https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=JadedArts 2026-07-19T08:48:07Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.43.8 https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Scovillain_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=4331996 2025-07-07T06:42:34Z

<p>JadedArts: Karato&#039;s phone also display&#039;s an image of Scovillain with the head colors swapped. Added to the biology section.</p> <hr /> <div>{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Grass|type2=Fire}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/GO|species=Scovillain}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Grass|prevnum=0951|prev=Capsakid|nextnum=0953|next=Rellor|roundleft=bl|roundright=br}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Pokémon Infobox<br /> |name=Scovillain<br /> |jname=スコヴィラン<br /> |jtranslit=Sukoviran<br /> |tmname=Scovillain<br /> |ndex=0952<br /> |type1=Grass<br /> |type2=Fire<br /> |category=Spicy Pepper<br /> |height-ftin=2'11&quot;<br /> |height-m=0.9<br /> |weight-lbs=33.1<br /> |weight-kg=15.0<br /> |abilityn=2<br /> |ability1=Chlorophyll<br /> |ability2=Insomnia<br /> |abilityd=Moody<br /> |egggroupn=1<br /> |egggroup1=Grass<br /> |egggroup2=<br /> |eggcycles=20<br /> |evtotal=2<br /> |evhp=0<br /> |evat=2<br /> |evde=0<br /> |evsa=0<br /> |evsd=0<br /> |evsp=0<br /> |expyield=170<br /> |lv100exp=1000000<br /> |gendercode=127<br /> |color=Green<br /> |catchrate=75<br /> |body=06<br /> |pokefordex=scovillain<br /> |generation=9<br /> |friendship=50<br /> }}<br /> '''Scovillain''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''スコヴィラン''' ''Scovillain'') is a dual-type {{2t|Grass|Fire}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} introduced in [[Generation IX]].<br /> <br /> It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Capsakid}} when exposed to a [[Fire Stone]].<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> [[File:Two Red Headed Scovillain.png|250px|thumb|left|[[Karatō]]'s [[Rotom Phone]] picture of a rare, two red-headed Scovillain]]<br /> Scovillain is a monstrous, bipedal Pokémon which resembles a pepper plant. It has a dark-green body and a leafy growth surrounding its neck which resembles a collar. Two leafy arms grow out of this growth. It has a short tail and its feet end in a clawed toe at each side. Its two pepper-like heads are attached to its body by stems. The red head on the right has an angry expression, while the light green head on the left appears more mischievous. Both heads have black eyes, stick their tongues out, and possess sharp fangs, the bottom pairs of which protrude below their lower jaws.<br /> <br /> Scovillain is described as a ferocious Pokémon whose rampage is unstoppable. The spicy chemicals in its brain stimulate both heads, turning the green head vicious while providing a source for the red head to convert into spicy, fiery energy, which it blasts its surroundings with. As revealed in [[HZ102]], Scovillain can naturally have two green heads, red heads, or a green head on the right and a red head on the left, but these are rare occurrences.<br /> <br /> Scovillain is the [[signature move|only known Pokémon]] capable of learning the move {{m|Spicy Extract}}.<br /> <br /> ===Evolution===<br /> Scovillain evolves from {{p|Capsakid}}.<br /> <br /> (For specifics on this Pokémon's Evolution in the games, refer to [[#Evolution data|Game data&amp;rarr;Evolution data]].)<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;float:center; display:flex; flex-flow:row wrap;&quot;&gt;<br /> {{evobox-2<br /> |pictype=art<br /> |type1=Grass<br /> |type2=Fire<br /> |no1=0951<br /> |name1=Capsakid<br /> |type1-1=Grass<br /> |evo1=<br /> |no2=0952<br /> |name2=Scovillain<br /> |type1-2=Grass<br /> |type2-2=Fire}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Game data==<br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Dex/Header|type=Grass|type2=Fire}}<br /> {{Dex/NA|gen=IX}}<br /> {{Dex/Gen/3|gen=IX|reg1=Paldea|num1=251|reg2=Kitakami|reg3=Blueberry}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The red head converts spicy chemicals into fire energy and blasts the surrounding area with a super spicy stream of flame.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=The green head has turned vicious due to the spicy chemicals stimulating its brain. Once it goes on a rampage, there is no stopping it.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Footer}}<br /> {|style=&quot;margin:auto; text-align:center; border:3px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background:#{{grass color}}; font-size:80%; border-radius: 10px&quot;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;border:2px solid #{{grass color light}}; background:#{{grass color light}} | [[File:Pokédex Image Scovillain SV.png|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Scovillain in the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Paldea Pokédex number|Paldea Pokédex}}<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Game locations===<br /> {{Availability/Header|type=Grass|type2=Fire}}<br /> {{Availability/NA|gen=IX}}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=IX}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2|v=Scarlet|v2=Violet|t=FFF|t2=FFF|area=South Province: [[South Province (Area Six)|Area Six]]&lt;br&gt;North Province: [[North Province (Area One)|Area One]], [[North Province (Area Three)|Area Three]], [[Dalizapa Passage]]&lt;br&gt;[[Tera Raid Battle]]s ({{DL|List of 4★ Tera Raid Battles (Paldea)|Scovillain|4★}})}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ====In side games====<br /> <br /> ===Held items===<br /> ===Stats===<br /> ====Base stats====<br /> {{Stats<br /> |type=Grass<br /> |type2=Fire<br /> |HP=65<br /> |Attack=108<br /> |Defense=65<br /> |SpAtk=108<br /> |SpDef=65<br /> |Speed=75<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Type effectiveness===<br /> {{TypeEffectiveness<br /> |type1=Grass<br /> |type2=Fire<br /> |Normal=100<br /> |Fighting=100<br /> |Flying=200<br /> |Poison=200<br /> |Ground=100<br /> |Rock=200<br /> |Bug=100<br /> |Ghost=100<br /> |Steel=50<br /> |Fire=100<br /> |Water=100<br /> |Grass=25<br /> |Electric=50<br /> |Psychic=100<br /> |Ice=100<br /> |Dragon=100<br /> |Dark=100<br /> |Fairy=50<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Learnset===<br /> ====By [[Level|leveling up]]====<br /> {{learnlist/levelh/9|Scovillain|Grass|Fire|9}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Leafage|Grass|Physical|40|100|40||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|{{tt|Evo.|Learned upon evolving}}|Spicy Extract|Grass|Status|—|—|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|{{tt|Evo.|Learned upon evolving}}|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|4|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|10|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|13|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|17|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|21|Bullet Seed|Grass|Physical|25|100|30||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|24|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|28|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|33|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|38|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|44|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|48|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|48|Overheat|Fire|Special|130|90|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/levelf/9|Scovillain|Grass|Fire|9}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[TM]]====<br /> {{learnlist/tmh/9|Scovillain|Grass|Fire|9}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM001|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM006|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM007|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM008|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM018|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM020|Trailblaze|Grass|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM025|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM033|Magical Leaf|Grass|Special|60|—|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM047|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM049|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM051|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM056|Bullet Seed|Grass|Physical|25|100|30||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM059|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM070|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM071|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM081|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM084|Stomping Tantrum|Ground|Physical|75|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM085|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM103|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM107|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|85|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM108|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM111|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM119|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM125|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM130|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM137|Grassy Terrain|Grass|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM141|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM152|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM157|Overheat|Fire|Special|130|90|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM159|Leaf Storm|Grass|Special|130|90|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM163|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM168|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM171|Tera Blast|Normal|Special|80|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM183|Super Fang|Normal|Physical|—|90|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM194|Grassy Glide|Grass|Physical|55|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM195|Burning Jealousy|Fire|Special|70|100|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM199|Lash Out|Dark|Physical|75|100|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM205|Endeavor|Normal|Physical|—|100|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM207|Temper Flare|Fire|Physical|75|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tmf/9|Scovillain|Grass|Fire|9}}<br /> <br /> ====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====<br /> {{learnlist/breedh/9|Scovillain|Grass|Fire|9}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/H|0192|Sunflora}}{{MSP/H|0331|Cacnea}}{{MSP/H|0332|Cacturne}}{{MSP/H|0459|Snover}}{{MSP/H|0460|Abomasnow}}{{MSP/H|0590|Foongus}}{{MSP/H|0591|Amoonguss}}{{MSP/H|0708|Phantump}}{{MSP/H|0709|Trevenant}}{{MSP/H|0753|Fomantis}}{{MSP/H|0754|Lurantis}}|Ingrain|Grass|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/H|0001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP/H|0002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP/H|0003|Venusaur}}{{MSP/H|0102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP/H|0103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP/H|0103-Alola|Exeggutor}}{{MSP/H|0152|Chikorita}}{{MSP/H|0153|Bayleef}}{{MSP/H|0154|Meganium}}{{MSP/H|0187|Hoppip}}{{MSP/H|0188|Skiploom}}{{MSP/H|0189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP/H|0192|Sunflora}}{{MSP/H|0270|Lotad}}{{MSP/H|0271|Lombre}}{{MSP/H|0285|Shroomish}}{{MSP/H|0286|Breloom}}{{MSP/H|0331|Cacnea}}{{MSP/H|0332|Cacturne}}{{MSP/H|0387|Turtwig}}{{MSP/H|0388|Grotle}}{{MSP/H|0389|Torterra}}{{MSP/H|0495|Snivy}}{{MSP/H|0496|Servine}}{{MSP/H|0497|Serperior}}{{MSP/H|0546|Cottonee}}{{MSP/H|0547|Whimsicott}}{{MSP/H|0708|Phantump}}{{MSP/H|0709|Trevenant}}{{MSP/H|0764|Comfey}}{{MSP/H|0841|Flapple}}{{MSP/H|0842|Appletun}}{{MSP/H|0928|Smoliv}}{{MSP/H|0929|Dolliv}}{{MSP/H|0930|Arboliva}}|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/H|0590|Foongus}}{{MSP/H|0591|Amoonguss}}|Rage Powder|Bug|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/H|0273|Seedot}}{{MSP/H|0274|Nuzleaf}}{{MSP/H|0275|Shiftry}}{{MSP/H|0946|Bramblin}}{{MSP/H|0947|Brambleghast}}|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/H|0001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP/H|0002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP/H|0003|Venusaur}}{{MSP/H|0102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP/H|0103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP/H|0103-Alola|Exeggutor}}{{MSP/H|0191|Sunkern}}{{MSP/H|0192|Sunflora}}{{MSP/H|0286|Breloom}}{{MSP/H|0906|Sprigatito}}{{MSP/H|0907|Floragato}}{{MSP/H|0908|Meowscarada}}{{MSP/H|0952|Scovillain}}|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/breedf/9|Scovillain|Grass|Fire|9}}<br /> <br /> ====By a prior [[Evolution]]====<br /> {{learnlist/prevoh/9|Scovillain|Grass|Fire|9}}<br /> {{learnlist/prevo9null}}<br /> {{learnlist/prevof/9|Scovillain|Grass|Fire|9}}<br /> <br /> ===Side game data===<br /> {{Spindata/Head|type=Grass|type2=Fire}}<br /> {{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Grass|ndex=0952<br /> |hatch=N/A<br /> |buddy=3<br /> |evolution=N/A<br /> |stamina=163<br /> |attack=216<br /> |defense=130<br /> |fast={{m|Leafage}}, {{m|Fire Fang}}<br /> |special={{m|Leaf Storm}}, {{m|Grass Knot}}, {{m|Overheat}}, {{m|Flamethrower}}<br /> }}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Evolution data===<br /> {{evobox-2<br /> |pictype=art<br /> |type1=Grass<br /> |type2=Fire<br /> |no1=0951<br /> |name1=Capsakid<br /> |type1-1=Grass<br /> |evo1={{Bag/s|Fire Stone|SV}}&lt;br&gt;{{color2|000|Fire Stone}}<br /> |no2=0952<br /> |name2=Scovillain<br /> |type1-2=Grass<br /> |type2-2=Fire}}<br /> <br /> ===Sprites===<br /> {{Spritebox/Header|type=grass|type2=fire}}<br /> {{Spritebox/NA|gen=IX}}<br /> &lt;!--{{Spritebox/9|ndex=0952}}--&gt;<br /> {{Spritebox/HOME|ndex=0952}}<br /> {{Spritebox/Footer|952|Scovillain}}<br /> <br /> ==In animation==<br /> [[File:Karato Scovillain.png|thumb|250px|Scovillain in {{aniseries|HZ}}]]<br /> ===Main series===<br /> ====Major appearances====<br /> A Scovillain appeared in [[HZ102]], under the ownership of [[Karatō]]. It had ran away from its Trainer due to his constant use of the [[Strong Sphere]], which caused it to enter a [[Laquium]]-induced rampage, forcing [[Liko]] to subdue it in battle before having [[Pagogo]] purify it.<br /> <br /> ====Minor appearances====<br /> Scovillain debuted in ''[[HZ067|Shine on, Terastallization! Liko vs. Roy!]]'', under the ownership of a Trainer.<br /> <br /> ===Discover Pokémon Together===<br /> A Scovillain appears in ''{{DL|Discover Pokémon Together|The Mysterious Mismagius}}''. It attacked a {{p|Maushold}} before being stopped by a {{p|Mismagius}}.<br /> <br /> ===POKÉTOON===<br /> A Scovillain appeared during a video in [[PT16]], under the ownership of a Trainer.<br /> <br /> ==In the manga==<br /> [[File:Arven Scovillain Adventures.png|thumb|200px|Scovillain in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]<br /> ===Pokémon Adventures===<br /> Scovillain debuted in ''[[PASV03|Battle! Team Star, the Delinquents!!]]''. [[Violet Lang|Violet]] caught one at [[West Province (Area One)]], then immediately [[trade]]d it to [[Arven]] for his {{p|Mabosstiff}}.<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> {{main|Scovillain (TCG)}}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> * Scovillain is the only {{type|Fire}} Pokémon in the {{egg3|Grass}}, and the only {{DL|List of Pokémon by color|green}} Fire-type Pokémon.<br /> * Scovillain is the only Pokémon with {{a|Chlorophyll}} that is not weak to {{type|Fire}} attacks, which have increased power under [[harsh sunlight]].<br /> * Excluding [[Legendary Pokémon]], whose names are often the same in all localizations of Pokémon games, Scovillain is the only [[Generation IX]] Pokémon whose English and Japanese names are the same.<br /> * Of all Pokémon (or Pokémon evolutionary lines) who {{DL|List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|List of Pokémon with formerly unique type combinations|formerly had unique type combinations}}, Scovillain held its unique typing for the shortest period of time. When {{g|Scarlet and Violet}} launched on November 18, 2022, Scovillain's Grass/Fire type was unique, but it lost this distinction with the release of [[The Teal Mask]] and {{form|Ogerpon|Hearthflame Mask}} {{p|Ogerpon}} on September 13, 2023 — 299 days later.<br /> <br /> ===Origin===<br /> Scovillain seems to be based on a {{wp|chili pepper}} plant. The red head seems to be based on a ripe, mature chili, while the green head seems to represent an immature chili that is not as pungent. The shape of the heads seems to be based on the {{wp|habanero}} (as alluded to by its Japanese {{pkmn|category}}) or the {{wp|Carolina Reaper}} (the spiciest chili in the world at the time of debut).<br /> <br /> Scovillain's red head being the only one to produce spicy and fire energy may allude to the {{wp|Padrón pepper}}, a variety of pepper cultivated in Galicia, Spain. The flavor of these peppers can vary from mild to very spicy, which has given way to the Galician saying ''&quot;Os pementos de Padrón, uns pican e outros non&quot;'' (&quot;Padrón peppers, some are hot, some are not&quot;).<br /> <br /> Scovillain's appearance and behavior also suggest inspiration from {{wp|kaiju}} or the {{wp|Lernaean Hydra|hydra}}. Its draconic and plant-like features may also be inspired by the {{wp|Antirrhinum majus|snapdragon}}.<br /> <br /> Its polarized expressions may be based on the {{wp|sock and buskin}} theater masks, with the green and red heads representing {{wp|Thalia (Muse)|Thalia}} (muse of comedy) and {{wp|Melpomene}} (muse of tragedy), respectively. <br /> <br /> ====Name origin====<br /> Scovillain may be a combination of ''Scoville'' (as in the {{wp|Scoville scale}}, the measurement scale for chili pepper pungency) and ''villain''.<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Other languages|type=Grass|type2=Fire<br /> |ja=スコヴィラン ''Scovillain''|jameaning=From ''Scoville scale'' and ''villain''<br /> |fr=Scovilain|frmeaning=Similar to English/Japanese name<br /> |es=Scovillain|esmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name<br /> |de=Halupenjo|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Halunke|scoundrel}}'' and ''{{wp|Jalapeño}}''<br /> |it=Scovillain|itmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name<br /> |ko=스코빌런 ''Seukobilleon''|komeaning=Transcription of Japanese name<br /> |zh_cmn=狠辣椒 ''Hěnlàjiāo''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|狠 ''hěn''|vicious}} and {{tt|辣椒 ''làjiāo''|chili pepper}}<br /> |zh_yue=狠辣椒 ''Hánlaahtjīu''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|狠 ''hán''|vicious}} and {{tt|辣椒 ''laahtjīu''|chili pepper}}<br /> |hi=चिलीफ़ंगा ''Chillifunga''|himeaning=From ''chilli''<br /> |th=สโกวิลเลิน ''Sakowinloen''|thmeaning=Transcription of Japanese name<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Related articles==<br /> &lt;!--<br /> ==Notes==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;--&gt;<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Grass|type2=Fire}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Grass|prevnum=0951|prev=Capsakid|nextnum=0953|next=Rellor}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Project Pokédex notice}}<br /> <br /> [[de:Halupenjo]]<br /> [[es:Scovillain]]<br /> [[fr:Scovilain]]<br /> [[it:Scovillain]]<br /> [[ja:スコヴィラン]]<br /> [[zh:狠辣椒]]</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=HZ101&diff=4326959 2025-06-29T15:54:40Z

<p>JadedArts: Added an error</p> <hr /> <div>{{undubbed}}<br /> &lt;!-- fill in the title links with dub titles only --&gt;<br /> {{EpicodePrevNext|<br /> prevcode=HZ100 |<br /> &lt;!--prevtitle= |--&gt;<br /> nextcode=HZ102 |<br /> &lt;!--nexttitle= |--&gt;<br /> series=Pokémon Horizons: The Series |<br /> colorscheme=Z-A}}<br /> {{EpisodeInfobox|<br /> epcode=HZ101 |<br /> altepcode=EP1333 |<br /> colorscheme=Z-A |<br /> title_en= |<br /> title_ja=闘え！テラスタル対メガシンカ！！ |<br /> title_ja_trans=Fight! Terastal VS Mega Evolution!! |<br /> broadcast_jp=June 27, 2025 |<br /> broadcast_us=&lt;!--Do not assume an air date. If you have an air date you should also provide a title and a source.--&gt; |<br /> en_op=&lt;!--[[TBA]]--&gt; |<br /> ja_op=[[GET BACK]] |<br /> ja_ed=[[Ready Go]] |<br /> olmteam=Team Kumemura |<br /> scenarion=1 |<br /> scenario=佐藤大 |<br /> storyboardn=1 |<br /> storyboard=尼野浩正 |<br /> directorn=1 |<br /> director=後藤康徳 |<br /> artn=7 |<br /> art=柳原好貴 |<br /> art2=大西雅也 |<br /> art3=忍田雄介 |<br /> art4=中矢利子 |<br /> art5=大野泰江 |<br /> art6=黒田ありさ |<br /> art7=えりある |<br /> morecredits=yes |<br /> epstaffpage=HZ101-HZ110 |<br /> footnotes=* {{BMGf|307338|Preview thread on BMGf}} ''Closed''<br /> * {{BMGf|307466|Original review thread on BMGf}}<br /> &lt;!--* {{BMGf||Dub review thread on BMGf}}--&gt;<br /> }}<br /> (Japanese: '''闘え！テラスタル対メガシンカ！！''' ''Fight! Terastal VS Mega Evolution!!'') is the 101st episode of ''[[Pokémon Horizons: The Series]]'', and the 1,333rd episode of the [[Pokémon animated series]]. It first aired in Japan on June 27, 2025&lt;!-- and is scheduled to air in the United States on *day*--&gt;.<br /> {{spoilers}}<br /> &lt;!--<br /> ==Blurb==<br /> Official Blurb from Pokémon.com goes here, with source link--&gt;<br /> &lt;!--Please do not alter the blurb to fix any errors, they are meant to be presented as they are on the official site.--&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Plot==<br /> {{incomplete plot}}<br /> &lt;!-- Detailed Plot goes here. --&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Major events==<br /> &lt;!-- This is not for summarizing everything that happens in this episode. Only events pertaining to the series as a whole, such as catching and releasing Pokémon and obtaining Badges, go here. --&gt;<br /> * The [[Rising Volt Tacklers]] travel to [[Paldea]] again.<br /> * [[Liko]], [[Roy]], and [[Dot]] meet {{an|Nemona}}, [[Geeta]], [[Clavell]], and [[Penny]] again, while [[Uruto]] meets them for the first time.<br /> * [[Jacq]] decides to help the Rising Volt Tacklers in their research on [[Laquium]].<br /> * Nemona is revealed to own a {{p|Ribombee}}.<br /> * Roy and Nemona have a [[Double Battle]], with Roy winning after scoring the first knockout.<br /> * Penny challenges Dot to a Double Battle and is revealed to own a {{p|Flareon}} and a {{p|Sylveon}}.<br /> {{animeevents|HZ}}<br /> <br /> ===Debuts===<br /> ====Pokémon debuts====<br /> &lt;!--=====TV episode debuts=====--&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Characters==<br /> ===Humans===<br /> * [[Liko]]<br /> * [[Roy]]<br /> * [[Friede]] (flashback)<br /> * [[Orla]]<br /> * [[Ludlow]]<br /> * [[Murdock]]<br /> * [[Mollie]]<br /> * [[Dot]]<br /> * [[Uruto]]<br /> * [[Onia]]<br /> * [[Zirc]]<br /> * [[Diana]] (flashback)<br /> * {{an|Nemona}}<br /> * [[Penny]]<br /> * [[Geeta]]<br /> * [[Clavell]]<br /> * [[Jacq]]<br /> * [[Dendra]]<br /> * {{tc|Student}}s<br /> <br /> ===Pokémon===<br /> * {{p|Sprigatito}} ({{OP|Liko|Meowscarada}}; flashback)<br /> * {{p|Meowscarada}} ({{OP|Liko|Meowscarada}})<br /> * {{p|Hattrem}} ({{OP|Liko|Hattrem}})<br /> * {{p|Terapagos}} ([[Liko]]'s; [[Pagogo]]; {{form|Terapagos|Normal and Terastal Form}}; flashback)<br /> * {{p|Crocalor}} ({{OP|Roy|Crocalor}})<br /> * {{p|Kilowattrel}} ({{OP|Roy|Kilowattrel}})<br /> * {{p|Lucario}} ({{OP|Roy|Lucario}}; {{Shiny}}; [[Mega Evolution|Mega Lucario]])<br /> * {{p|Charizard}} ({{OP|Friede|Charizard}}; flashback)<br /> * {{p|Pikachu}} ([[Friede]]'s; [[Captain Pikachu]])<br /> * {{p|Chansey}} ({{OP|Mollie|Chansey}}; flashback)<br /> * {{p|Quagsire}} ([[Ludlow]]'s; flashback)<br /> * {{p|Alcremie}} ({{OP|Murdock|Alcremie}}; {{form|Alcremie|Strawberry Ruby Swirl}})<br /> * {{p|Quaxwell}} ({{OP|Dot|Quaxwell}})<br /> * {{p|Rotom}} ([[Dot]]'s; [[Rotom Phone]])<br /> * {{p|Arcanine}} ([[Diana]]'s; flashback)<br /> * {{p|Squawkabilly}} ([[Diana]]'s; {{form|Squawkabilly|Yellow Plumage}}; flashback)<br /> * {{p|Pawmot}} ({{an|Nemona}}'s; {{Tera}}stallized)<br /> * {{p|Ribombee}} ({{an|Nemona}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Sylveon}} ([[Penny]]'s)<br /> * {{p|Flareon}} ([[Penny]]'s)<br /> * {{p|Hariyama}} ([[Dendra]]'s)<br /> * {{p|Sableye}} ([[Uruto]]'s; [[Mega Evolution|Mega Sableye]] in flashback)<br /> * {{p|Nosepass}} ([[Rising Volt Tacklers]]')<br /> * {{p|Polteageist}} ([[Rising Volt Tacklers]]'; flashback)<br /> * {{p|Ribombee}} ({{tc|Student}}s'; ×2)<br /> * {{p|Golduck}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Nosepass}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Lycanroc}} ({{tc|Student}}'s; {{form|Lycanroc|Midday form}})<br /> * {{p|Noctowl}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Larvitar}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Igglybuff}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Tandemaus}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Carbink}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Snorunt}} ({{tc|Student}}s'; ×2)<br /> * {{p|Rotom}} ({{tc|Student}}s'; [[Rotom Phone]]; ×2)<br /> * {{p|Haunter}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Psyduck}} ({{tc|Student}}s'; ×2)<br /> * {{p|Arctibax}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Maschiff}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Ditto}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Flittle}} ({{tc|Student}}'s)<br /> * {{p|Slaking}} (flashback)<br /> * {{p|Steelix}} (flashback; ×2)<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> * [[Mega Nidothing's Mega Mega! 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JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Paradox_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=4233386 2025-02-03T04:44:43Z

<p>JadedArts: /* The Alternate Timelines Idea */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==Iron Valiant prop==<br /> Hey, I have a proposition in regards to Iron Valiant. It, being the version exclusive counterpart to Roaring Moon, is also in fact also based on the Mega Evolved forms of Gallade and Gardevoir.<br /> This is evident since:<br /> -It has white arms like both megas<br /> -The white &quot;gloves&quot;, &quot;puffed out dress&quot; part and more circular green part of the head like Mega Gardevoir.<br /> -The arms have the same pink blades as Mega Gallade.<br /> Just an observation I felt worth mentioning!<br /> ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 09:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC))<br /> :I think the scrutinizing focus on color is a poor indication, considering many of the other Paradoxes don't match exact colors either. All of the 'Iron' Paradoxes also only use a single color for their energy-based body-parts, so Valiant is naturally restricted to pink if it wants to use energy blades.<br /> :If you look closely, Valiant shares far more distinctive traits with their base forms than their Mega forms:<br /> : - The shape of its head-crest matches regular Gallade's, rather than the curvier crest of M.Gallade.<br /> : - The shape of its ears is closer to regular Gardevoir than M.Gardevoir.<br /> : - The way its skirt opens at the front and the green underside match regular Gardevoir. The 'poofiness' is more likely a result of the mechanization of its skirt (since you can't exactly have mechanical cloth), and they would've made the skirt more prominent if they were emulating M.Gardevoir.<br /> : - The spike in its chest doesn't match either Mega (M.Gardevoir has two spikes while M.Gallade has a short nub). --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 13:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :The shape of it's &quot;ear&quot; spikes also match with Mega Gallade and I think it's fair to say the two main features of the arm blades and poofy dress are more than enough considering Salamence only has the wing shape going for it. I really believe that it's based off of the mega like Roaring Moon, or you could argue that Roaring Moon has aspects of both Salamence's base form and mega, which Iron Valiant does too. I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't think it was worth including since the trivia also states Salamence is the only one based off of a mega. You really can't ignore those pink arm blades and poofy &quot;dress&quot;, just like you can't ignore Roaring Moon's crescent wings, it's the shape of the features that convinces me personally. ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 14:30, 23 November 2022 (UTC))<br /> ::Not only that but they also share the sum of their base stats. I'm sure everyone agrees that Iron Valiant is more closely related to Mega forms of Gardevoir and Gallade.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 16:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::The sum of stats is irrelevant. All it proves is that they're version-counterparts, not whether they share the same design process. The fact that Iron Valiant is based on two Pokemon already disproves that. Iron Valiant also lacks distinctive traits that are unique to the Megas alone. Arm-blades and skirts are not exclusive to the Megas.<br /> :::Regular Gallade has arm-blades too, and the simpler single-pointed design also better matches Iron Valiant's blades. The pink color is irrelevant if it lacks the unique features of M.Gallade's blades, because as mentioned before, the 'Iron' Paradoxes only possess a single energy-color (hence Iron Moth's orange eyes, Iron Hands's yellow palms, Iron Bundle's blue belly-button, etc.).<br /> :::Likewise, regular Gardevoir has a skirt too. The open-faced arrangement of the skirt, along with the green inner-lining, are clearly referencing regular Gardevoir's skirt. It's also far from what I'd call 'poofy' if it was supposed to be based on M.Gardevoir's dress. The skirt still retains a fairly slender 'cone' shape, rather than the 'dome' shape of M.Gardevoir's skirt. All it has is the roundness of the individual skirt-plates (which is a distinctly different aspect from the 'roundness' of the overall skirt as a whole), which as also mentioned, is likely a by-product of mechanization (like Iron Moth's wings).<br /> :::Also, Roaring Moon's Violet Dex entry implicitly references its connection to Mega Evolution, while neither of Iron Valiant's entries has any sort of implications.--[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 17:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::::Iron Valiant arms are pink like on Mega Gallade, and the &quot;dress&quot; is umbrella shape like in Mega Gardevoir. There's no element suggesting it being based on regular forms over mega forms.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:10, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::::As I've repeatedly stated, color is one of the least distinct aspect of the 'Iron' Paradoxes. Regular Gardevoir's skirt is also 'umbrella'-like in nature. That is not unique to Mega Gardevoir. Likewise, as I repeatedly stated; the arrangement, the inner-lining, and the overall conic shape of the dress as a whole favor regular Gardevoir more than its Mega.<br /> ::::As for elements suggesting regular forms, I've stated them repeatedly. There's the aforementioned details of the dress. The head-crest is a straight vertical edge like regular Gallade's (as opposed to the curved crescent edge of M.Gallade's head-crest). The spike in its chest is different from either Mega.--[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 18:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::::You can't claim that pink color was chosen randomly for this Paradox Pokemon and happened to reflect Mega Gallade's design. Also, Gardevoir's dress is cone-like, while Iron Valiant and Mega Gardevoir's dress is umbrella-shaped, not to mention it's only on the back for Iron Valaint just like in Mega Gallade.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::::I never said the color was random. Just that it's irrelevant as a design indication. Evidently, the pink was inspired by the color of the original Pokemon(s)'s chest-spike and eyes, and then used as the overall energy-color for the Paradox; similar to the other 'Iron' Paradoxes, like how Iron Hands's yellow is based on Hariyama's skirt. However, like how yellow is applied to parts of Iron Hands that doesn't match Hariyama (like the eyes, palms, feet, etc.), the other areas where the pink is applied (like Iron Valiant's feet, dress, and blades) is irrelevant to the color-scheme of the original Pokemon.<br /> :::::M.Gallade happened to also follow this process of reapplying color-accents in other areas, but correlation does not imply causation. After all, where did the red color of M.Gallade's arm-blades come from in the first place? Regular Gallade's red-accents. In the first place, there's not a wide range of colors to the Ralts-family (white, green, red/pink). There will naturally be overlaps. If you don't want overlaps, you would have to either ban Iron Valiant from using the color red, or ban it from using energy-blades (both of which are stupid ideas).<br /> :::::If by 'umbrella' you mean dome-shaped, Iron Valiant's dress is far more conic than dome-shaped. You're misguided by the roundness of the '''individual''' skirt-plates, rather than the overall skirt. The overall shape is conic; at most, I'll concede with egg-shaped. However, it's definitely not dome-shaped like M.Gardevoir's. You're also ignoring all of the details of the dress itself (green inner-lining, the opened face of the front area), and ignoring all of the other details I've mentioned. --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 18:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Similarly, I think you choose what you want to believe. At this point we need someone else to resolve this issue so if there's any staff memeber reading this, please have a voice.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 19:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> Going to go ahead and step in here before I finish making changes to the page today. The two are definitely version counterparts to each other.<br /> : 1. Roaring Moon is based off of Salamence's Mega form given the crescent moon wing design now has more flare to it along with other parts that make it look more primitive in design, as befitting a Paradox Pokémon from the far distant past.<br /> : 2. Iron Valiant shares more in common with Gallade and Gardevoir's mega forms than their regular forms. They have M-Gallade's arm blades and M-Gardevoir's puffed out skirt. While regular Gallade also has arm blades, they are not red in color, nor do the arm blades stick out as much. Regular Gardevoir's skirt is small and much closer to Gardevoir's legs, whereas M-Gardevoir's skirt is puffed out which fits more with Iron Valiant's design. The only parts of Iron Valiant that fit with the regular forms is the red chest piece and Gallade's torso and head spike.<br /> Everything else about Iron Valiant points more towards being based on Mega Forms than their regular forms. If it was based more on the regular forms of Gallade and Gardevoir, it would most likely be lacking the distinct red / pink arm blades and M-Gardevoir's puffed out skirt. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 17:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :The counterpart-relation with Roaring Moon is irrelevant. It doesn't mean that their design processes correlate with each other. Just the very fact that Iron Valiant is based on two Pokemon, and neither of them are pseudo-legendaries, already disproves any such conceptual correlation.<br /> ::1. As I've stated, the 'energy color' is also largely irrelevant. The 'Iron' Paradoxes only use a single 'energy color', so if Iron Valiant wants a different color of energy-blades, the colors of its eyes and chest-spike (and the energy-accents on the rest of its body) need to change with it. Thus, just because the blades are pink doesn't mean that the base Pokemon's blades are pink (again, like with many of the other 'Iron' Paradoxes and their respective 'energy colors').<br /> ::2. If the color in question is the 'energy color' (i.e. pink), then you can only reliably refer to other details to establish a relation. M.Gallade's blades are more than just its color. They're more complex with two pointed ends on its edge, a white inner-body, and a red gem ascent. However, Iron Valiant's blades are monochromatic, plain, and single-pointed; similar to regular Gallade's blades. Just based on the qualitative details alone, Iron Valiant's blades are unrelated to M.Gallade's blades.<br /> ::3. Again with the skirt. M.Gardevoir's skirt is not just a little 'puffed out', it's a full-blown dome-shaped ball gown that covers 360°. That is not at all like Iron Valiant's skirt. Iron Valiant's skirt is composed of rounded plates, yes; but that roundness only extends to the individual plates. The plates are arranged in a conic shape that is far from a dome. They're not even that 'puffed out'; they're relatively thin and reasonably valid as a mechanical substitute for 'cloth'. Moreover, the arrangement is not 360° and is open at the front, which is distinctive to regular Gardevoir. The inner-lining is green (not white), which is also distinctive to regular Gardevoir alone. If the goal is to emulate M.Gardevoir, why is the connection to M.Gardevoir so vague and abstract ('poofy', but not really), while the connection to regular Gardevoir is so distinct and unmistakable (green inner-lining, open-faced front)?<br /> ::4. The prior points I've mentioned (i.e. the head-crest, the chest-spike, the non-white accented torso) are also unmistakably distinct traits unique to the regular forms alone, which you yourself admitted. The arm-blades and skirt are shared by both regular and Mega forms, and Iron Valiant lacks the distinctive traits that make them unique to the Megas alone (i.e. the complex design of M.Gallade's blades, the 360° dome-shape of M.Gardevoir's skirt). Not to mention, there are other distinctive traits that are explicitly unique to the Megas alone (i.e. M.Gallade's cape, M.Gardevoir's 'heart-like' chest-spikes, or even just that extra curved spike on M.Gardevoir's ears) that Iron Valiant could have easily used if that was the intent.<br /> :In regards to the aforementioned correlation with Roaring Moon, Roaring Moon's connection to M.Salamence is also '''not purely observational'''. Its Violet dex entry implicitly references its connection to Mega Evolution, while Iron Valiant's dex entries doesn't mention or imply anything of that nature. --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 18:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you disagree with another user's edits, that does not mean immediately change it to what you think it should be, you still need to wait for others to chime in for a discussion.<br /> :::1. What is this &quot;energy color&quot; you are referring to? All &quot;Iron&quot; variants still retain some form based around their modern day contemporaries. The only Paradox Pokémon with major changes that don't fit to their moderns are: Koraidon/Miraidon, Sandy Shocks, and Slither Wing.<br /> :::2. The color scheme and look for Iron Valiant's arms is closer to M-Gallade's than Gallade's. <br /> :::3. That is very much like Iron Valian't skirt sans it being open in the front area to reveal the torso region.<br /> :::4. The arms and skirt share more in common with their Mega form designs than their regular forms, Iron Valiant's body seems to use Gallade as a base.<br /> ::The Violet entries for Iron Valiant imply they wanted to make a powerful Psychic-type, it would make more sense to use the Mega forms as a baseline rather than their base forms. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 19:41, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::The 'energy color' I'm referring to are the saturated highlighted colors used by the Violet 'Iron' Paradoxes. All of them use only a single such 'energy color'<br /> ::::Red - Iron Treads<br /> ::::Orange - Iron Moth<br /> ::::Yellow - Iron Hands<br /> ::::Green - Iron Spikes<br /> ::::Blue - Iron Bundle<br /> ::::Violet - Iron Jugulis<br /> ::::Magenta/Pink - Iron Valiant<br /> :::Yes, most of the time, these 'energy colors' are based on a specific part of the Pokemon (in Gardevoir's/Gallade's case, the chest-spikes and the eyes); but these energy-colors are then applied to other parts of the Paradoxes that have nothing to do with their base counterparts (i.e. Iron Hands applies the yellow skirting of Hariyama onto its palms, Iron Thorns applies Tyranitar's green to all of its holes and its originally-blue belly, Iron Treads applies the red of Donphan's ears to... well, everything). Hence, the 'energy color' is unreliable as a distinctive point.<br /> :::If you're going to be nitpicking the color-scheme of specific parts, then why are you ignoring the green inner-lining of the skirt (something undeniably unique to regular Gardevoir), and how its body is not solid-white (unlike M.Gardevoir and M.Gallade).<br /> :::Moreover, I already mention that there is more to the Megas' design than vaguely similar shape and colors. If Iron Valiant wanted to use M.Gallade's blades, it could easily incorporate the complex details of its blades while still maintaining the mechanical look. The white inner-body of M.Gallade's blades is even perfect for some sort of 'energy saw', but Iron Valiant just has a simple plain monochromatic blade. As for the skirt, there is no reason to make it so ambiguously similar to regular Gardevoir's skirt unless that was the intention.--[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 20:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::: Kyo, I suggest you go take a look at Gardevoir and Gallades's arms then look at their Mega form's arms. <br /> It has elements for ALL of them in the general design however the Mega form's elements are much more evident. It is also worth noting that it has design elements unique to it too, much like the other Paradox Forms, such as the &quot;pigtails&quot; on the back of it's head, it's side of the cheek spikes which are a midway point between the Pokémon it is based on and the pink body &quot;spike&quot; is round and unlike the body parts on the others. It is extremely likely they gave the underside of Gardevoir's dress to Iron Valiant and no one is doubting that, however the dress shape itself is the same as the Mega Form's which you are ignoring. I don't know why the underside of the dress is more important to you than the arm blade colour but you seem to be picking and choosing what to believe when the facts are in the design. <br /> And when you compare it to it's version exclusive counterpart, that's the last piece slotting into place. ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 14:13, 25 November 2022 (UTC))<br /> <br /> :There are vast differences between Iron Valiant's arms and M.Gardevoir's/M.Gallade's arms. Yes, there are vague similarities, but there will naturally be similarities because they're literally derived from the same Pokemon. I haven't been ignoring anything. I've already addressed that they're not the same, nor similar to a meaningful degree. You're taking a vague 20% similarity, ignoring the distinct differences, and reaching to make it a 100% similarity.<br /> :- M.Gardevoir's skirt is not made of individual oval plates. Iron Valiant's said plates are placed in a cone-like arrangement at an approximate 60°-angled point, not a nearly-circular dome like M.Gardevoir's.<br /> :- As for the sleeves, M.Gardevoir's sleeves are nowhere near as flared out, or rather, they're not really flared in the first place. Moreoever, Iron Valiant is a robot, so its elbows will naturally be segmented, forming 'sleeves' regardless. <br /> :- As I've described many times, the 'energy color' (pink in Iron Valiant's case) is unreliable as an identifying trait, literally going off of precedent set by the other Paradoxes. M.Gallade's arm-blades have far more distinctive identifying features beyond a single shade of color, said features which Iron Valiant lacks.<br /> :- Again, the correlation with Roaring Moon is meaningless, because you're cherry-picking a connection, and only in a manner that goes one-way. Roaring Moon is not based on two Pokemon. Roaring Moon is based on a pseudo-legendary. Roaring Moon's Dex and Occulture entries implicitly specify Mega Salamence, not just Salamence itself. With how little correlation they share, why is it that you're so headstrong about how their counterpart-relation must mean that they're both be based on Megas?<br /> :The majority of these traits can be explained as the result of the mechanization of Iron Valiant's design, rather than an intentional reference to the Megas. The skirt-plates are a replacement of the original cloth-like skirt. Just because they made the individual plates round doesn't mean anything, because neither regular Gardevoir nor M.Gardevoir have independent sections of their skirts that are individually rounded. There is no direct correlation between them. The 'sleeves', as mentioned, are innate to mechanization. The exaggeratedly flared shape of said sleeves (again, M.Gardevoir's sleeves are nowhere near as flared, if flared at all) can be credited to trying to combine Gardevoir's and Gallade's arms into one, while incorporating that detachment gimmick and making sure the blades don't clip through any body-parts because of the slight anatomical differences from Gallade.<br /> <br /> :'''Having said all that, I will clarify, practically everything I said prior is meaningless.''' After thinking it through, this whole argument of opinionated interpretation is irrelevant and not important. I take issue with the claim, ''the facts are in the design'', because that's not factual. That's subjective. Yes, I'm calling the kettle black, because I've been doing the same thing, and I apologize for contributing to the problem. This 'issue' of speculation versus speculation shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, because both sides are still speculation in the end.<br /> :That said, I still disagree with Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade, but for a more important reason than my personal opinion: '''the lack of concrete info'''. 'Paradox Pokemon' is not a category created and interpreted by the fans. It's an officially-designated category (quite literally their [[Pokemon category|category]]). Through the various sources of the Pokedex, Scarlet/Violet Book, and Occulture; the game itself acknowledges which Pokemon that each Paradox resembles, and in Roaring Moon's case, the game even implicitly specifies Salamence that underwent Mega Evolution. In light of this, the game only confirms and acknowledges a relation to regular Gardevoir and Gallade; it doesn't specify anything beyond that, and any relation with their Megas is unconfirmed speculation. '''The wiki should prioritize concrete info over speculation when applicable''', especially on a table meant to be informative.<br /> :If you're still adamant that the similarities to their Megas should still be noted even without concrete info, I don't see much issue putting a sub-note of such in the trivia section. Something like:<br /> :* Roaring Moon is the only Paradox Pokémon based on a Mega Evolved Pokémon.<br /> :** Iron Valiant has some similarities with Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade, but any possible relation has not been acknowledged.<br /> --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 22:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Iron Valiant lacks the two defining features of Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade (giant poofy dress and cape, respectively) and more importantly, ''the never mentions mega evolution in relation to Iron Valiant.'' Saying it's based on Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade is pure fanon, as opposed to Roaring Moon, where the connection to mega evolution is stated in-game.[[User:DrPumpkinz|DrPumpkinz]] ([[User talk:DrPumpkinz|talk]]) 04:27, 9 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> -- You seem to have misremembered the full quote: &quot;It looks similar to Salamence when they undergo a certain phenomenon elsewhere in the world, '''but it's unclear if there is any connection'''.&quot; This suggests while there is a resemblance to Mega Salamance, there is no way to confirm the connection other than the design. The same is true for Iron Valiant, with a futuristic and unique version of the dress/cape incorporated into it's design. The arms alone are enough to convince me since they are pulled directly from the megas, just like Roaring Moon's wings. I think there is one level that we should consider in-game, where they state a connection is unclear and fail to recognise a connection, then there is another level out of game where we can visually analyse that both are designed after the mega forms. ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 12:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC))<br /> <br /> -- I didn't misremember anything. A lot of things in the Pokedex are wishy-washy &quot;huh this thing's maybe kinda weird but we're not too sure&quot;. The point is that the game goes out of its way to say &quot;hey Roaring Moon kinda looks like Mega Salamence nudge nudge wink wink&quot; and makes no such mention for Iron Valiant. [[User:DrPumpkinz|DrPumpkinz]] ([[User talk:DrPumpkinz|talk]]) 16:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Iron Valiant ==<br /> <br /> I don't think Iron Valiant is based on both Gardevoir and Gallade. Going off how Roaring Moon is based on mega Salamanca but is not completely identical to it. The same thing can be said of Iron Valiant being based of the design of mega Gallade. With the arm blade and two cape-like protrusions similar to mega Gallade. But with it having some differences like the chest spike. I really don't think they would want to base it off two Pokémon.{{unsigned|Waldo32}}<br /> :There's no other way to explain why it has Gardevoir's back hair-curls.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 16:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::It is based off of both Gardevoir and Gallade as it is Gallade's arm blades + Gardevoir's skirt. The typing is also both Gardevoir and Gallade's secondary typings respectively. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 16:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Occulture ==<br /> For reference, here are the in-game Occulture articles for Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant. Note that Roaring Moon explicitly references Mega Salamence.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #04<br /> :'''Roaring Moon''': A Primeval Salamence?!<br /> :This elusive creature is called Roaring Moon after a similarly described being in the Scarlet Book. It '''looks similar to Salamence when they undergo a certain phenomenon elsewhere in the world''', but it’s unclear if there is any connection.<br /> :This creature scatters feathers as it flies around at high speeds seeking prey. It’s thought to be more savage than Salamence, and if you should encounter one, it’s imperative that you avoid actual contact.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #04<br /> :'''Iron Valiant''': An Experiment Gone Wrong?!<br /> :This oddity’s name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book. One theory holds that it is in fact a robot—the product of a mad scientist’s efforts to create the most powerful psychic Pokémon of all.<br /> :According to its few eyewitnesses, Iron Valiant '''appears similar to both Gardevoir and Gallade'''. It’s also said to be cruel enough to take its brilliantly shining blade and cut down anyone confronting it without hesitation.<br /> <br /> --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 19:15, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Just going to post the rest of the articles for posterity, and also bolding Pokemon names for clarity.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #05<br /> :'''Flutter Mane''': A Ghostly Pterosaur?!<br /> :Flutter Mane—a name taken from a strange creature with a matching description appearing in the Scarlet Book—is said to float around the sky at night with its long hair writhing about it.<br /> :Eyewitness accounts describe it as '''resembling a giant Misdreavus''' at first glance, albeit a highly fierce and aggressive one. Some believe that it’s a ghost of a pterosaur from a long-gone era.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #05<br /> :'''Iron Hands''': Secretly a Cyborg?!<br /> :This being’s name comes from the one given to an iron-handed entity in the mysterious Violet Book. It is said to have fists that move independent of its body and to be capable of throwing large, fast-moving vehicles.<br /> :A leading theory holds that Iron Hands was once an athlete who became mortally wounded but was kept alive by being made into a cyborg. Why it so '''strongly resembles Hariyama''', however, remains unanswered.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #06<br /> :'''Brute Bonnet''': Amoonguss Meets Dinosaur?<br /> :This bizarre creature is said to combine traits of dinosaurs with those of the Pokémon Amoonguss. It’s named after a fierce mushroom creature of matching description that appears in the renowned Scarlet Book.<br /> :Brute Bonnet certainly '''resembles Amoonguss''', though with its own unique twists: its gigantic stature and seemingly low intelligence combine to make it a savage, powerful fighter.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #06<br /> :'''Iron Thorns''': A Tyranitar of the Distant Future?!<br /> :A strange being called Iron Thorns has been sighted in a certain cave in Paldea. This being bears a '''strong resemblance to Tyranitar''', but it apparently displays great coolheadedness and prefers to avoid unnecessary fights.<br /> :It appears to be highly intelligent and clad in metallic armor, causing some to speculate that it may be a Tyranitar as it would appear a billion years from now. Its name comes from a similarly described entity that appears in the Violet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #07<br /> :'''Sandy Shocks''': A Magneton with a 10-Thousand-Year Lifespan?!<br /> :Some scientists claim that this mysterious being '''is a Magneton''' that has lived for 10 thousand years. It has been sighted numerous times in Paldea’s more arid regions, but there are no reports of it ever having been caught.<br /> :It’s said that Sandy Shocks is an aggressive sort and that some people who’ve seen it have been attacked as well. It takes its name from a beast with a matching description in the era-defining Scarlet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #07<br /> :'''Iron Jugulis''': Pokémon or Machine?!<br /> :This flying life-form bearing a '''resemblance to Hydreigon''' has been seen in a certain corner of Paldea. It was reported to have razed an entire building with a high-energy blast, then flown off as if to find its next objective.<br /> :Iron Jugulis is theorized to be a sort of machine-Hydreigon hybrid, as it combines the former’s ruthlessness with the latter’s ferocity. It takes its name from a similarly described entity in the Violet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #08<br /> :'''Slither Wing''': A Prehistoric Volcarona, Revived?!<br /> :There have been precious few sightings reported of the ultra-mysterious Slither Wing, a being whose name is taken from that of a similar-seeming creature described in the ever-puzzling Scarlet Book.<br /> :Slither Wing '''shares traits with Volcarona''', so some theorize that it may have been revived from fossils from a prehistoric era that we have discussed in these pages. However, no Volcarona fossils of that era are known to have been found.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #08<br /> :'''Iron Moth''': A UFO Sent to Spy on Humankind?!<br /> :The name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the era-defining Violet Book. It was said to '''resemble Volcarona''' and would descend from the skies, following people around and occasionally even attacking them.<br /> :Some point to Iron Moth’s aggression as a sign that it is, in fact, a UFO of sorts being controlled by alien life. Perhaps something out there is using Iron Moth to observe us, waiting for the moment to mount an invasion...<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #09<br /> :'''Great Tusk''': A Living Relic of the Dinosaur Era?!<br /> :In one arid corner of Paldea, there have been reports of a mysterious life-form. It’s said to '''resemble a Donphan''' at first glance, albeit one with gigantic tusks, tough scales, and an aggressive disposition.<br /> :Leading theories hold that this being is nothing less than a living relic of the dinosaur era, but no one can say for sure. Apparently, it’s called Great Tusk after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Scarlet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #09<br /> :'''Iron Treads''': An Alien Weapon?!<br /> :In one arid corner of Paldea, there have been reports of a mysterious life-form. It’s said to '''resemble a Donphan''' at first glance, albeit one that can abruptly assume a spherical shape and launch into a swift rolling attack.<br /> :Rumors say this being is some kind of weapon using technology not of this world, but no one can say for sure. Apparently, it’s called Iron Treads after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Violet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #10<br /> :'''Scream Tail''': A Billion-Year-Old Jigglypuff?!<br /> :Somewhere in a Paldean forest, it’s said, lurks Scream Tail—a being '''with Jigglypuff’s own endearing puffball appearance''' but also a ferocious aggression that leads it to attack anyone who comes near.<br /> :Its primitive appearance and savage nature have prompted rumors that it could be a Jigglypuff from one billion years ago. It’s named after a creature in the Scarlet Book that is described as having a distinctive tail and scream.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #10<br /> :'''Iron Bundle''': An Ancient Civilization’s Robot?!<br /> :The mysterious Violet Book makes reference to a being called Iron Bundle, which was said to '''look like Delibird''' and to possess a spherical apparatus from which it would fire huge blasts of ice to propel itself through snowy lands.<br /> :Plenty of theories about it have been floated. A leading one suggests it is the product of a long-gone civilization—a notion supported by ancient writings that describe the design and usage of machines resembling Iron Bundle.<br /> <br /> As you can see, all of them specify which Pokemon they resemble, no subjective interpretation necessary. Roaring Moon even goes as far as to specify 'Salamence when they undergo a certain phenomenon elsewhere in the world' AKA Mega Salamence. The fact of the matter is that if Iron Valiant was referencing the Mega forms of Gardevoir and Gallade, the Occulture file would've specified it.<br /> <br /> --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 20:04, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> * I think should add these to Paradox page or at least have its own page.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 20:41, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == future SoJ leaked name ==<br /> The future SoJ paradox mon's name is leaked to be &quot;Iron Sword&quot;. [[User:PikachuEevee2022|PikachuEevee2022]] ([[User talk:PikachuEevee2022|talk]]) 02:51, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :Where is the proof?--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 02:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::its a leak, and idk where riddlers kaka and khu find their leaks [[User:PikachuEevee2022|PikachuEevee2022]] ([[User talk:PikachuEevee2022|talk]]) 20:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't find anything about it, and nither Kaka nor Khu appear to have given such information lately. Of course leaks don't belong on a wiki, but I would like to know if it's true.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Iron Valiant 2: Electric Boogaloo ==<br /> <br /> How do we know that Iron Valian is based specifically on Gardevoir and Gallade's Mega forms without any official confirmation? Nowhere does the game say anything about Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade, it's a huge stretch just because IV happens to have elements of the Mega forms. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 21:49, 27 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :Personally i think it should just mention Gardevoir and Gallade, yeah. Like you said, the Occulture article doesn't explicitly mention IV resembling Megas (unlike Roaring Moon). IV does have ''some'' traits of Mega Gardevoir/Gallade, but i think it's better to just mention regular Gardevoir/Gallade as a general baseline. Either that or we bloat the table by including both base and Mega Gardevoir/Gallade (this is not an actual suggestion). [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 22:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::That's my entire point. Even then, &quot;IV is based off Megas&quot; is fanon, not canon. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 22:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::I agree, there is nothing to indicate that IV is based off of megas. [[User:Pikiwyn|&lt;font color=&quot;#d0000d&quot; face=&quot;chiller&quot;&gt;'''Pikiwyn'''&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|&lt;tt&gt;&lt;sup&gt;'''''&lt;font color=&quot;black&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;'''''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;]] 17:10, 23 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Since the Paradox Pokémon... ==<br /> Since the Paradox Pokémon (aside from Koraidon and Miraidon) have different names in Spanish and Italian due to their unusual names shouldn’t there now be articles for Spanish and Italian Pokémon names as there is now 15 Pokémon (With Type Null also being one of them) with different names in Spanish and Italian<br /> <br /> I thought I would ask this here for the reasons that are mentioned in the title so perhaps someone should do that that eventually as I feel that 15 Pokémon with different names in Spanish and Italian is enough to justify creating those articles ~~TurtwigFan4848~~ {{unsigned|Turtwig Fan4848}}<br /> <br /> == Stone evolution commonality - worth a trivia note? ==<br /> <br /> The three past Paradox Pokémon based on a not-fully-evolved base Pokémon (Sandy Shocks, Scream Tail, and Flutter Mane) each have base forms that typically evolve with an evolutionary stone--Magneton with a Thunder Stone (as of Gen VIII), Jigglypuff with a Moon Stone, and Misdreavus with a Dusk Stone. Is this worth a note in the trivia section? [[User:Slowbro4pres|Slowbro4pres]] ([[User talk:Slowbro4pres|talk]]) 19:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Base stat comparison==<br /> Instead of just comparing the Paradox Pokémon's base stats with each other, how about also comparing them to their modern-day counterparts? Many Paradox Pokémon have stat distributions resembling their modern-day counterparts, with perhaps a spike in one or two stats and slight changes in others. An example is how Misdreavus, Mismagius, and Flutter Mane all have HP = Attack = Defense and Sp. Atk = Sp. Def = Speed. [[User:Haruna Tsuruhime|Haruna Tsuruhime]] ([[User talk:Haruna Tsuruhime|talk]]) 05:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Iron [X] = stars??? ==<br /> <br /> Personally i think it's way too much of a stretch; especially since none of the future paradox mons are explicitly designed after stars (unlike, say, {{p|Solgaleo}}). The trivia was first added by [[User:CaeserJulius]]; i removed it like 2 weeks ago for the aforementioned reason, but then they re-added it back in just now, stating &quot;It's not appropriate to remove content because you have an opinion&quot;.<br /> <br /> Idk, what do others think? [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 16:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It's just a trivia, and I like it. The use &quot;hadron&quot; and &quot;quark&quot; does give precedent to think about subatomic particles and iron is the most stable element to which other tend to go. This is general truth about elements not exlusive to stars.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 17:52, 9 July 2023 (UTC) <br /> ::Given that their designs all very clearly depict them to be made of some kind of metal, the simplest solution is that the name &quot;Iron&quot; was chosen because they all appear to be made of metal, and iron is a type of metal. If we're going to delve into speculation at all, I feel like we should start with the simplest explanation before we start jumping to more obscure connections like star death or subatomic particles, which have very tenuous connections to &quot;iron&quot;. This trivia section is already ridiculously long, so I'm in favor of not including this speculation at all. [[User:Storm Aurora|Storm Aurora]] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 18:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC)<br /> :::I oppose its inclusion as well. Iron is a very common element and isn't particularly associated with stars. [[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#00d1bc&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#006699&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == let's wait until Past Entei and Future Terrakion. ==<br /> <br /> this is the most likely next paradox pokemon.[[User:Cookie39828|Cookie39828]] ([[User talk:Cookie39828|talk]]) 18:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Paradox Pokémon in the original script. ==<br /> <br /> Hi, I just made an edit and I'd like to explain it because I've seen no one talk about it. I think it should be made even more clear but I imagine people are going to remove the edit without checking what I'm saying, hence this post here. Basically, I've added the notion (and I think it should be reformulated to be even more apparent, because I've only put it as a detail) that Paradox Pokémon ARE from different timelines because the Japanese, original version, says it directly.<br /> <br /> (てんそう) モンスターボールを転送し (つか) (こと) (じかんじく) 異なる時間軸のポケモンを 捕まえて (げんだい) (よ) 現代へと 呼びだすことができる<br /> ''It allows us to send Poké Balls in'' '''different timelines''' ''to catch Pokémon there and call them back to our time.'' <br /> ''(the exact word is &quot;time axis&quot;, which is basically the word for timeline)''<br /> <br /> I've put this text as a source, but you can go look at the original elevator dialogue in the entire context. Basically, in the English version, it does this very awkward thing where it says the machine ''transports Poké Balls to another point in the timeline and brings them back in our time'' and, duh, that's how a time machine works. However, what the Japanese text says instead is that it ''transports Poké Balls to different timelines and brings them back in our time''.<br /> If you want further proof, the Japanese wiki always had this notion, way before the DLC and its source is not Crystal Pool but the elevator scene. Even Japanese posts online about the AI and Paradox Pokémon talk about them being from different timelines.<br /> So basically we just had to wait for the DLC because the localization team was bad at their job, and discovered it now, while for those who read the Japanese text, it's been clear since the start. And the elevator scene acts as a moment of clarification, before and even after, the AI calls them ancient/future Pokémon, but this moment, which is supposed to explain the details of how the machine works and adds nothing in the localized version, comes off in the Japanese text as a more precise explanation : it calls them from other timelines.{{unsigned|Enzoul777}}<br /> <br /> :Time Axis can also be translated as point in time. I also wouldn't immediately assume Paradox Pokemon are just AU Pokemon since in every version of the game, the professor still talks about bringing them from the past/future and all media calls them ancient/future Pokemon. If we were to reach a middle ground, I would say they should be considered &quot;Pokemon brought from the past/future of other timelines&quot;<br /> <br /> :Also maybe something has changed or we are looking at different wikis, but [[Pokémon Wiki|Pokemon Wiki]] says they're from different points in time. [[User:JadedArts|JadedArts]] ([[User talk:JadedArts|talk]]) 03:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The Alternate Timelines Idea ==<br /> <br /> I feel like mentioning alternate timelines is irrelevant at this point. Even if they do come from parallel universes it's clear that their origin is strictly the past and future.<br /> <br /> As is already mentioned, AI Sada and Turo say as such, this isn't new. What's ignored is that Alive Sada and Turo wrote the exact same explanation in their journals TWICE.<br /> &quot;Our time machine research has yielded a triumph—a Pokémon from the ancient past/distant future! I've named it Koraidon/Miraidon. I was expecting one new life to treasure, but what fortune to be blessed with this gift as well!&quot;<br /> &quot;I've successfully brought more and more ancient/future Pokémon to our time since the first one. I'm so close to creating a world like the one in the book—a paradise where we three can live happily together forever. I must make it real.&quot;<br /> <br /> On top of this, the professor at the Crystal Pool most likely isn't from an alternate timeline. One may be created when they give us the Scarlet/Violet book, but the journal in the Underdepths presents a very obvious Bootstrap Paradox which is incredibly common in time travel stories. Furthermore, people kind of ignore that in the same event the professor still says they theorize that Paradox Pokémon are from different eras. &quot;My initial thought was that it bears a striking resemblance to Cyclizar. Wouldn't you agree? Perhaps some ancient/future form of Cyclizar... If so, it does lend a hint of credence to my hypotheses.&quot;<br /> <br /> Backing this up, Terapagos in Pokémon Horizons irrefutably brings Rystal from 100 years in the past to the present day, not a case of timelines crossing over. Of course this doesn't mean Terapagos can't cross timelines, but it's evidence against the notion and further implies the dialogue at the crystal pool is at best not too important and at worst, a mistranslation. The anime also once again says Paradox Pokémon are from the past and future during the Area Zero arc.<br /> <br /> The defining moment though is Pokémon Masters EX, where Florian's Sync Pair Story is all about Miraidon being a Cyclizar from the future and hypothesizing how it came to look the way it does. Florian himself is from an alternate timeline, but it's the result of Hoopa and not Terapagos. <br /> <br /> From this, as well as all of the marketing constantly calling them Ancient and Future, I think it's safe to conclude that Paradox Pokémon are from the past and the future. If mentioning alternate timelines is still necessary, I would say it should be worded as &quot;Paradox Pokémon come from the ancient past and the distant future, possibly from other timelines...&quot; in order to prioritize their most important ancestor/descendant quality first [[User:JadedArts|JadedArts]] ([[User talk:JadedArts|talk]]) 04:44, 3 February 2025 (UTC)</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Hopo_Berry&diff=4193763 2024-11-27T09:45:23Z

<p>JadedArts: Added an Origin for the Hopo Berry as well as a possible inspiration for its out-of-battle effect</p> <hr /> <div>{{ItemInfobox/head<br /> |name=Hopo Berry<br /> |jname=ポフのみ<br /> |jtrans=Pofu Fruit<br /> |gen=VIII<br /> |sprite = None<br /> |art=Bag Hopo Berry LA Sprite<br /> |caption=Pokémon Legends: Arceus artwork<br /> |colorscheme=Berries<br /> }}<br /> {{ItemInfobox/BagRowBottom|VIII|Berries}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> The '''Hopo Berry''' (Japanese: '''ポフのみ''' ''Pofu Fruit'') is a type of [[Berry]] introduced in [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]]. Its effect is similar to that of the [[Leppa Berry]].<br /> <br /> ==In the core series games==<br /> ===Price===<br /> {{ItemPrice/head|Berries}}<br /> {{ItemPrice|{{gameabbrev8|LA}}|{{PDollar}}300|{{PDollar}}75}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Effect===<br /> When used from the [[satchel]] on a Pokémon, it restores the [[PP]] of one of its [[move]]s by 10. When thrown from the satchel onto a [[wild Pokémon]], its reactions will be dulled.<br /> <br /> The following items can be [[crafting|crafted]] using the Hopo Berry:<br /> <br /> * [[Swap Snack]] with one Hopo Berry<br /> * [[Stealth Spray]] with one Hopo Berry<br /> * [[Jubilife Muffin]] with two Hopo Berries<br /> <br /> ===Description===<br /> {{movedesc|Berries}}<br /> {{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev8|LA}}&lt;br&gt;{{gameabbrev9|SV}}|A Berry that can be fed to a Pokémon to restore its PP. If a wild Pokémon eats one of these Berries, that Pokémon's reactions will be dulled.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Acquisition===<br /> {{ItemAvailability/head|Berries}}<br /> |-<br /> | {{gameabbrev8|LA}}<br /> | [[Jubilife Village]] (×5; reward for completing [[Task#Requests|Request]] 29: &quot;The Search for Bitter Leaves&quot;)<br /> | Yellow [[berry tree]]s ([[Crimson Mirelands]], [[Coronet Highlands]], [[Alabaster Icelands]])&lt;br&gt;Dropped by {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Kadabra}}, {{p|Alakazam}}, {{p|Froslass}}, {{rf|Hisuian}} {{p|Zorua}}, and {{rf|Hisuian}} {{p|Zoroark}}&lt;br&gt;{{DL|Jubilife Village|Farm}} (usual berry harvest)&lt;br&gt;{{DL|Jubilife Village|Ginkgo Guild cart}} (×10; randomly sold by [[Ginter]])&lt;br&gt;{{DL|Jubilife Village|Ginkgo Guild cart}} ([[Tuli]])<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> ===Origin===<br /> The Hopo Berry's design and name may be based on ''{{wp|Humulus lupulus|hop}}''.<br /> <br /> The Berry's ability to dull a Pokémon's reactions and cause them to not notice the player may be a reference to ''{{wp|Alcohol intoxication|alcohol intoxication}}'', as hops are used in brewing beer. Intoxication can dull your senses, including impaired eyesight, smell, and hearing.<br /> <br /> ==Names==<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{berries color light}}; border:3px solid #{{berries color}}&quot;<br /> |- <br /> ! Language<br /> ! Name<br /> ! Origin<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Japanese<br /> | ポフのみ ''Pofu no Mi''<br /> | From ホップ ''{{wp|Humulus lupulus|hop}}''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | English<br /> | Hopo Berry<br /> | From ''hop''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | German<br /> | Pfohbeere<br /> | From ''Hopf'' (hop)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Spanish<br /> | Baya Lupu<br /> | From ''lúpulo'' (hop)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | French<br /> | Baie Bouhlon<br /> | From ''houblon'' (hop)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Italian<br /> | Baccaluppo<br /> | From ''luppolo'' (hop)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Korean<br /> | 포흐열매 ''Poh Yeolmae''<br /> | From 홉 ''hop''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})<br /> | 花啤果 ''Huāpí Guǒ''<br /> |rowspan=&quot;2&quot; | From 啤酒花 ''píjiǔhuā / bējáufā'' (hop)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})<br /> | 花啤果 ''Fābē Gwó''<br /> |}{{-}}<br /> <br /> {{BerriesNav}}<br /> {{-}}<br /> {{Project ItemDex notice}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Berries]]<br /> [[Category:Crafting materials]]<br /> [[Category:PP-restoring items]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Pfohbeere]]<br /> [[es:Baya Lupu]]<br /> [[fr:Baie Bouhlon]]<br /> [[it:Baccaluppo]]<br /> [[ja:ポフのみ]]<br /> [[zh:花啤果（道具）]]</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Terapagos_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=4110833 2024-09-13T19:33:32Z

<p>JadedArts: /* Biology or maybe Trivia topic about the eyes? */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>== In The Anime ==<br /> <br /> Should we add an in the anime section because of the baby-like terapagos in Pokemon Horizons? [[User:JackJackAttackG|JackJackAttackG]] ([[User talk:JackJackAttackG|talk]]) 18:26, 27 April 2023 (UTC)<br /> :It's implied to be a different Pokémon so we're waiting for its name to be revealed. [[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#00d1bc&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#006699&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:28, 27 April 2023 (UTC)<br /> OK [[User:JackJackAttackG|JackJackAttackG]] ([[User talk:JackJackAttackG|talk]]) 18:33, 27 April 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Galápagos a is Spanish for Turtle??? ==<br /> As a new user of course I can't edit the page but I highly suggest checking your Spanish classes or translator to see that Turtle is Spanish is Tortuga, but the etymology for Galápagos comes from preroman Spain-Spanish if you are trying to refer to the tortoise as in RAE said &quot;. m. Reptil del orden de los quelonios, parecido a la tortuga, con membranas interdigitales.&quot;<br /> And Galápagos aren't a Península, they are completely Islands that are not connected to the mainland of Ecuador. [[User:Hooshico|Hooshico]] ([[User talk:Hooshico|talk]]) 15:20, 6 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> :Name origins aren't something I specialize in but a look does confirm that you are right, checking with my fellow admin to see about changing it.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> :The translation of &quot;Galápago&quot; according to Spanish Wiktionary (quote): Cualquiera de varias especies de '''tortugas acuáticas'''. &quot;Galápagos&quot; is plural, hence &quot;turtles&quot;. also, no one is saying the Galápagos Islands are a peninsula in the article. thank you. '''[[User:Anzasquiddles|{{color|4488FC|Anzasquiddles}}]]''' &lt;small&gt;2222(:D)SSSS&lt;/small&gt; ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 15:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I am quoting and official Spanish language entity, as RAE, Real Academia Española. [[User:Hooshico|Hooshico]] ([[User talk:Hooshico|talk]]) 15:47, 6 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should this article be categorized under Category:Pokémon that appeared in the anime before their game debut? ==<br /> <br /> I wanted to take this to a discussion before I took action, but given that the Indigo Disk is still months away, should the category be applied? [[User:Drmanny|Drmanny]] ([[User talk:Drmanny|talk]]) 15:28, 8 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> :Sure, i think it counts. '''[[User:Anzasquiddles|{{color|4488FC|Anzasquiddles}}]]''' &lt;small&gt;2222(:D)SSSS&lt;/small&gt; ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 02:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Old page history ==<br /> <br /> A parallel version history of a page name &quot;Unnamed Pokémon&quot; is preserved at:<br /> :[[Talk:Terapagos (Pokémon)/Unnamed Pokémon]]<br /> That article's content has since been merged into this article, after it came to light that that unnamed Pokémon was in fact Terapagos. (That article had no accompanying talk page to be preserved.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:59, 12 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Small grammar edit ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Each feet has three toes&quot; should either be &quot;Each foot has three toes,&quot; or &quot;Each of the feet has three toes.&quot;<br /> <br /> [[User:Zanbabe|Zanbabe]] ([[User talk:Zanbabe|talk]]) 10:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed, thank you! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Also, it should be &quot;long sought&quot;, not &quot;long seeked&quot;.[[User:Dr. Victor Vasconcelos|Dr. Victor Vasconcelos]] ([[User talk:Dr. Victor Vasconcelos|talk]]) 18:03, 27 December 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == It's not &quot;implied&quot; that Terapagos is responsible for Terstalization ==<br /> Briar's copy of the Scarlet/Violet book flat out says that Heath &quot;tentatively named this creature (responsible for Terastal) Terapagos.&quot; [[User:Thwackeyrabootdrizzile|Thwackeyrabootdrizzile]] ([[User talk:Thwackeyrabootdrizzile|talk]]) 22:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)<br /> :Quote from the book: &quot;I have tentatively named this creature Terapagos. I suspect that its very body is made up of the key material that causes Pokémon to shine brightly and crystallize.&quot; So Heath only &quot;suspects&quot; it to be the case. [[User:Anzasquiddles|'''&lt;span style=&quot;background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#4488FC,#7038F8,#A040A0);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;&quot;&gt;Anzasquiddles&lt;/span&gt;''']] &lt;small&gt;2222(:D)SSSS&lt;/small&gt; ([[User_talk:Anzasquiddles|talk page]]) 13:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> Either the Base forms Stats or BST is wrong. [[User:HenryWong122|HenryWong122]] ([[User talk:HenryWong122|talk]]) 14:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stellar Form Terapagos is not actually Stellar-type ==<br /> <br /> Just pointing this out for any page that lists Stellar Form Terapagos. Stellar Form Terapagos is still considered Normal-type. Just look in the in-game Pokedex in SV or either version of HOME. All of them list the Stellar Form as Normal-type. In addition, you can check the Battle Status menu in the middle of a battle after Terastallizing Terapagos or any Stellar Pokemon; you can see that, unlike traditional Terrastallization, the Pokemon still retains their base typing even after Terastallizing. --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 23:27, 17 December 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Possible EVs? ==<br /> <br /> Am I misunderstanding, or is it not possible to get EVs from Normal-form Terapagos, due to it automatically becoming its Terastal form? [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 03:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shiny Stellar Form Model not displaying ==<br /> <br /> Thought I'd mention that in the sprites/models section at the bottom of the page, the HOME model for shiny stellar Terapagos is actually the normal model, not the shiny one.<br /> --[[User:Arceusman|&amp;#62;&amp;#62;ArCeUsMaN&amp;#60;&amp;#60;]] ([[User talk:Arceusman|talk]]) 01:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)<br /> ::This is intentional, Shiny Terastal form is the same as non-Shiny. -[[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 01:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Adding Terapagos (game) ==<br /> <br /> The NPC appearances section is getting a bit long. Can we convert it to a (game) article, as seen with Koraidon, Miraidon, Ogerpon, and Pecharunt? [[User:CyberDragonM|CyberDragonM]] ([[User talk:CyberDragonM|talk]]) 12:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Is Normal Form Terapagos the only Pokémon with programmed stats that cannot be fought or used legitimately? ==<br /> <br /> Something I think should be added to the Trivia section - While Normal Form Terapagos has its own stat spread different from its other two forms, the form and as such those stats can never actually participate in battle (due to Tera Shift transforming it immediately and not being suppressible) without hacking the game to change its ability. There are obviously other Pokémon with forms that can't be used in battle, like Eternamax Eternatus or Neutral Xerneas; but the former can be '''battled''' in that form with those stats in its boss fight, while the latter doesn't have programmed stats different from Active Xerneas'. So is this a quality unique to Normal Form Terapagos, or is there another example(s) of this that I'm forgetting?--[[User:Necrozman|Necrozman]] ([[User talk:Necrozman|talk]]) 17:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Unfortunatley not, because Eternal Flower Floette has programmed stats. [[User:BorealRookidee|BorealRookidee]] ([[User talk:BorealRookidee|talk]]) 20:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == You’re missing a very obvious reference in origins ==<br /> <br /> There’s an old Japanese tale called Urashima Taro.<br /> <br /> The story goes that one day a fisherman named Urashimo Taro saved a rainbow shell turtle from some mean kids. As thanks the turtle takes him to the underwater palace of the dragon king (blueberry academy). He stays there for a few years but then gets homesick. Before he leaves they give him a box and tell him not to open it. When he arrives back home he discovers that what was a few years to him has been a hundred years on land. And all of the people he knew are dead. In despair he opens the box and he immediately ages into an old man. <br /> That last part is reflective of how Terapagos starts as a small child turtle and turns into a larger white bearded turtle when it enters battle. <br /> Side note: this tale is often used in the same way English speakers use Rip Van Winkle [[User:Dragoncat|Dragoncat]] ([[User talk:Dragoncat|talk]]) 00:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Terapagos Dreamworld art ==<br /> <br /> I Porpose using the one artwork from Dreamworld for Stellar Terapagos cause it honestly look a lot better and less blurr and its one fo the few good artwork that is not from Home. This picture was the orginal download before second one's back ground or the current one [https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/archive/b/b0/20240605201655%211024Terapagos-Stellar_Dream.png] or [[a:File:1024Terapagos-Stellar Dream.png]] . I think it would be better and maybe not always relat on HOME artwork outside of sharing on like form pages. But this is my take and suggestion on matter.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 03:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Biology or maybe Trivia topic about the eyes? ==<br /> <br /> In-game Terastal and Stellar form have the same eyes, but this is actually inconsistent with the artworks of Stellar form that have been released where it's depicted with fully blue sclera instead of white sclera like Terastal Form and Normal Form. I think it should be brought up though we could wait for the anime to show it so more people know about it. [[User:JadedArts|JadedArts]] ([[User talk:JadedArts|talk]]) 19:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Paradox_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=4110297 2024-09-13T03:15:13Z

<p>JadedArts: /* Paradox Pokémon in the original script. */</p> <hr /> <div>==Iron Valiant prop==<br /> Hey, I have a proposition in regards to Iron Valiant. It, being the version exclusive counterpart to Roaring Moon, is also in fact also based on the Mega Evolved forms of Gallade and Gardevoir.<br /> This is evident since:<br /> -It has white arms like both megas<br /> -The white &quot;gloves&quot;, &quot;puffed out dress&quot; part and more circular green part of the head like Mega Gardevoir.<br /> -The arms have the same pink blades as Mega Gallade.<br /> Just an observation I felt worth mentioning!<br /> ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 09:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC))<br /> :I think the scrutinizing focus on color is a poor indication, considering many of the other Paradoxes don't match exact colors either. All of the 'Iron' Paradoxes also only use a single color for their energy-based body-parts, so Valiant is naturally restricted to pink if it wants to use energy blades.<br /> :If you look closely, Valiant shares far more distinctive traits with their base forms than their Mega forms:<br /> : - The shape of its head-crest matches regular Gallade's, rather than the curvier crest of M.Gallade.<br /> : - The shape of its ears is closer to regular Gardevoir than M.Gardevoir.<br /> : - The way its skirt opens at the front and the green underside match regular Gardevoir. The 'poofiness' is more likely a result of the mechanization of its skirt (since you can't exactly have mechanical cloth), and they would've made the skirt more prominent if they were emulating M.Gardevoir.<br /> : - The spike in its chest doesn't match either Mega (M.Gardevoir has two spikes while M.Gallade has a short nub). --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 13:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :The shape of it's &quot;ear&quot; spikes also match with Mega Gallade and I think it's fair to say the two main features of the arm blades and poofy dress are more than enough considering Salamence only has the wing shape going for it. I really believe that it's based off of the mega like Roaring Moon, or you could argue that Roaring Moon has aspects of both Salamence's base form and mega, which Iron Valiant does too. I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't think it was worth including since the trivia also states Salamence is the only one based off of a mega. You really can't ignore those pink arm blades and poofy &quot;dress&quot;, just like you can't ignore Roaring Moon's crescent wings, it's the shape of the features that convinces me personally. ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 14:30, 23 November 2022 (UTC))<br /> ::Not only that but they also share the sum of their base stats. I'm sure everyone agrees that Iron Valiant is more closely related to Mega forms of Gardevoir and Gallade.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 16:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::The sum of stats is irrelevant. All it proves is that they're version-counterparts, not whether they share the same design process. The fact that Iron Valiant is based on two Pokemon already disproves that. Iron Valiant also lacks distinctive traits that are unique to the Megas alone. Arm-blades and skirts are not exclusive to the Megas.<br /> :::Regular Gallade has arm-blades too, and the simpler single-pointed design also better matches Iron Valiant's blades. The pink color is irrelevant if it lacks the unique features of M.Gallade's blades, because as mentioned before, the 'Iron' Paradoxes only possess a single energy-color (hence Iron Moth's orange eyes, Iron Hands's yellow palms, Iron Bundle's blue belly-button, etc.).<br /> :::Likewise, regular Gardevoir has a skirt too. The open-faced arrangement of the skirt, along with the green inner-lining, are clearly referencing regular Gardevoir's skirt. It's also far from what I'd call 'poofy' if it was supposed to be based on M.Gardevoir's dress. The skirt still retains a fairly slender 'cone' shape, rather than the 'dome' shape of M.Gardevoir's skirt. All it has is the roundness of the individual skirt-plates (which is a distinctly different aspect from the 'roundness' of the overall skirt as a whole), which as also mentioned, is likely a by-product of mechanization (like Iron Moth's wings).<br /> :::Also, Roaring Moon's Violet Dex entry implicitly references its connection to Mega Evolution, while neither of Iron Valiant's entries has any sort of implications.--[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 17:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::::Iron Valiant arms are pink like on Mega Gallade, and the &quot;dress&quot; is umbrella shape like in Mega Gardevoir. There's no element suggesting it being based on regular forms over mega forms.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:10, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::::As I've repeatedly stated, color is one of the least distinct aspect of the 'Iron' Paradoxes. Regular Gardevoir's skirt is also 'umbrella'-like in nature. That is not unique to Mega Gardevoir. Likewise, as I repeatedly stated; the arrangement, the inner-lining, and the overall conic shape of the dress as a whole favor regular Gardevoir more than its Mega.<br /> ::::As for elements suggesting regular forms, I've stated them repeatedly. There's the aforementioned details of the dress. The head-crest is a straight vertical edge like regular Gallade's (as opposed to the curved crescent edge of M.Gallade's head-crest). The spike in its chest is different from either Mega.--[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 18:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::::You can't claim that pink color was chosen randomly for this Paradox Pokemon and happened to reflect Mega Gallade's design. Also, Gardevoir's dress is cone-like, while Iron Valiant and Mega Gardevoir's dress is umbrella-shaped, not to mention it's only on the back for Iron Valaint just like in Mega Gallade.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::::I never said the color was random. Just that it's irrelevant as a design indication. Evidently, the pink was inspired by the color of the original Pokemon(s)'s chest-spike and eyes, and then used as the overall energy-color for the Paradox; similar to the other 'Iron' Paradoxes, like how Iron Hands's yellow is based on Hariyama's skirt. However, like how yellow is applied to parts of Iron Hands that doesn't match Hariyama (like the eyes, palms, feet, etc.), the other areas where the pink is applied (like Iron Valiant's feet, dress, and blades) is irrelevant to the color-scheme of the original Pokemon.<br /> :::::M.Gallade happened to also follow this process of reapplying color-accents in other areas, but correlation does not imply causation. After all, where did the red color of M.Gallade's arm-blades come from in the first place? Regular Gallade's red-accents. In the first place, there's not a wide range of colors to the Ralts-family (white, green, red/pink). There will naturally be overlaps. If you don't want overlaps, you would have to either ban Iron Valiant from using the color red, or ban it from using energy-blades (both of which are stupid ideas).<br /> :::::If by 'umbrella' you mean dome-shaped, Iron Valiant's dress is far more conic than dome-shaped. You're misguided by the roundness of the '''individual''' skirt-plates, rather than the overall skirt. The overall shape is conic; at most, I'll concede with egg-shaped. However, it's definitely not dome-shaped like M.Gardevoir's. You're also ignoring all of the details of the dress itself (green inner-lining, the opened face of the front area), and ignoring all of the other details I've mentioned. --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 18:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Similarly, I think you choose what you want to believe. At this point we need someone else to resolve this issue so if there's any staff memeber reading this, please have a voice.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 19:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> Going to go ahead and step in here before I finish making changes to the page today. The two are definitely version counterparts to each other.<br /> : 1. Roaring Moon is based off of Salamence's Mega form given the crescent moon wing design now has more flare to it along with other parts that make it look more primitive in design, as befitting a Paradox Pokémon from the far distant past.<br /> : 2. Iron Valiant shares more in common with Gallade and Gardevoir's mega forms than their regular forms. They have M-Gallade's arm blades and M-Gardevoir's puffed out skirt. While regular Gallade also has arm blades, they are not red in color, nor do the arm blades stick out as much. Regular Gardevoir's skirt is small and much closer to Gardevoir's legs, whereas M-Gardevoir's skirt is puffed out which fits more with Iron Valiant's design. The only parts of Iron Valiant that fit with the regular forms is the red chest piece and Gallade's torso and head spike.<br /> Everything else about Iron Valiant points more towards being based on Mega Forms than their regular forms. If it was based more on the regular forms of Gallade and Gardevoir, it would most likely be lacking the distinct red / pink arm blades and M-Gardevoir's puffed out skirt. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 17:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :The counterpart-relation with Roaring Moon is irrelevant. It doesn't mean that their design processes correlate with each other. Just the very fact that Iron Valiant is based on two Pokemon, and neither of them are pseudo-legendaries, already disproves any such conceptual correlation.<br /> ::1. As I've stated, the 'energy color' is also largely irrelevant. The 'Iron' Paradoxes only use a single 'energy color', so if Iron Valiant wants a different color of energy-blades, the colors of its eyes and chest-spike (and the energy-accents on the rest of its body) need to change with it. Thus, just because the blades are pink doesn't mean that the base Pokemon's blades are pink (again, like with many of the other 'Iron' Paradoxes and their respective 'energy colors').<br /> ::2. If the color in question is the 'energy color' (i.e. pink), then you can only reliably refer to other details to establish a relation. M.Gallade's blades are more than just its color. They're more complex with two pointed ends on its edge, a white inner-body, and a red gem ascent. However, Iron Valiant's blades are monochromatic, plain, and single-pointed; similar to regular Gallade's blades. Just based on the qualitative details alone, Iron Valiant's blades are unrelated to M.Gallade's blades.<br /> ::3. Again with the skirt. M.Gardevoir's skirt is not just a little 'puffed out', it's a full-blown dome-shaped ball gown that covers 360°. That is not at all like Iron Valiant's skirt. Iron Valiant's skirt is composed of rounded plates, yes; but that roundness only extends to the individual plates. The plates are arranged in a conic shape that is far from a dome. They're not even that 'puffed out'; they're relatively thin and reasonably valid as a mechanical substitute for 'cloth'. Moreover, the arrangement is not 360° and is open at the front, which is distinctive to regular Gardevoir. The inner-lining is green (not white), which is also distinctive to regular Gardevoir alone. If the goal is to emulate M.Gardevoir, why is the connection to M.Gardevoir so vague and abstract ('poofy', but not really), while the connection to regular Gardevoir is so distinct and unmistakable (green inner-lining, open-faced front)?<br /> ::4. The prior points I've mentioned (i.e. the head-crest, the chest-spike, the non-white accented torso) are also unmistakably distinct traits unique to the regular forms alone, which you yourself admitted. The arm-blades and skirt are shared by both regular and Mega forms, and Iron Valiant lacks the distinctive traits that make them unique to the Megas alone (i.e. the complex design of M.Gallade's blades, the 360° dome-shape of M.Gardevoir's skirt). Not to mention, there are other distinctive traits that are explicitly unique to the Megas alone (i.e. M.Gallade's cape, M.Gardevoir's 'heart-like' chest-spikes, or even just that extra curved spike on M.Gardevoir's ears) that Iron Valiant could have easily used if that was the intent.<br /> :In regards to the aforementioned correlation with Roaring Moon, Roaring Moon's connection to M.Salamence is also '''not purely observational'''. Its Violet dex entry implicitly references its connection to Mega Evolution, while Iron Valiant's dex entries doesn't mention or imply anything of that nature. --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 18:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you disagree with another user's edits, that does not mean immediately change it to what you think it should be, you still need to wait for others to chime in for a discussion.<br /> :::1. What is this &quot;energy color&quot; you are referring to? All &quot;Iron&quot; variants still retain some form based around their modern day contemporaries. The only Paradox Pokémon with major changes that don't fit to their moderns are: Koraidon/Miraidon, Sandy Shocks, and Slither Wing.<br /> :::2. The color scheme and look for Iron Valiant's arms is closer to M-Gallade's than Gallade's. <br /> :::3. That is very much like Iron Valian't skirt sans it being open in the front area to reveal the torso region.<br /> :::4. The arms and skirt share more in common with their Mega form designs than their regular forms, Iron Valiant's body seems to use Gallade as a base.<br /> ::The Violet entries for Iron Valiant imply they wanted to make a powerful Psychic-type, it would make more sense to use the Mega forms as a baseline rather than their base forms. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 19:41, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::The 'energy color' I'm referring to are the saturated highlighted colors used by the Violet 'Iron' Paradoxes. All of them use only a single such 'energy color'<br /> ::::Red - Iron Treads<br /> ::::Orange - Iron Moth<br /> ::::Yellow - Iron Hands<br /> ::::Green - Iron Spikes<br /> ::::Blue - Iron Bundle<br /> ::::Violet - Iron Jugulis<br /> ::::Magenta/Pink - Iron Valiant<br /> :::Yes, most of the time, these 'energy colors' are based on a specific part of the Pokemon (in Gardevoir's/Gallade's case, the chest-spikes and the eyes); but these energy-colors are then applied to other parts of the Paradoxes that have nothing to do with their base counterparts (i.e. Iron Hands applies the yellow skirting of Hariyama onto its palms, Iron Thorns applies Tyranitar's green to all of its holes and its originally-blue belly, Iron Treads applies the red of Donphan's ears to... well, everything). Hence, the 'energy color' is unreliable as a distinctive point.<br /> :::If you're going to be nitpicking the color-scheme of specific parts, then why are you ignoring the green inner-lining of the skirt (something undeniably unique to regular Gardevoir), and how its body is not solid-white (unlike M.Gardevoir and M.Gallade).<br /> :::Moreover, I already mention that there is more to the Megas' design than vaguely similar shape and colors. If Iron Valiant wanted to use M.Gallade's blades, it could easily incorporate the complex details of its blades while still maintaining the mechanical look. The white inner-body of M.Gallade's blades is even perfect for some sort of 'energy saw', but Iron Valiant just has a simple plain monochromatic blade. As for the skirt, there is no reason to make it so ambiguously similar to regular Gardevoir's skirt unless that was the intention.--[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 20:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::: Kyo, I suggest you go take a look at Gardevoir and Gallades's arms then look at their Mega form's arms. <br /> It has elements for ALL of them in the general design however the Mega form's elements are much more evident. It is also worth noting that it has design elements unique to it too, much like the other Paradox Forms, such as the &quot;pigtails&quot; on the back of it's head, it's side of the cheek spikes which are a midway point between the Pokémon it is based on and the pink body &quot;spike&quot; is round and unlike the body parts on the others. It is extremely likely they gave the underside of Gardevoir's dress to Iron Valiant and no one is doubting that, however the dress shape itself is the same as the Mega Form's which you are ignoring. I don't know why the underside of the dress is more important to you than the arm blade colour but you seem to be picking and choosing what to believe when the facts are in the design. <br /> And when you compare it to it's version exclusive counterpart, that's the last piece slotting into place. ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 14:13, 25 November 2022 (UTC))<br /> <br /> :There are vast differences between Iron Valiant's arms and M.Gardevoir's/M.Gallade's arms. Yes, there are vague similarities, but there will naturally be similarities because they're literally derived from the same Pokemon. I haven't been ignoring anything. I've already addressed that they're not the same, nor similar to a meaningful degree. You're taking a vague 20% similarity, ignoring the distinct differences, and reaching to make it a 100% similarity.<br /> :- M.Gardevoir's skirt is not made of individual oval plates. Iron Valiant's said plates are placed in a cone-like arrangement at an approximate 60°-angled point, not a nearly-circular dome like M.Gardevoir's.<br /> :- As for the sleeves, M.Gardevoir's sleeves are nowhere near as flared out, or rather, they're not really flared in the first place. Moreoever, Iron Valiant is a robot, so its elbows will naturally be segmented, forming 'sleeves' regardless. <br /> :- As I've described many times, the 'energy color' (pink in Iron Valiant's case) is unreliable as an identifying trait, literally going off of precedent set by the other Paradoxes. M.Gallade's arm-blades have far more distinctive identifying features beyond a single shade of color, said features which Iron Valiant lacks.<br /> :- Again, the correlation with Roaring Moon is meaningless, because you're cherry-picking a connection, and only in a manner that goes one-way. Roaring Moon is not based on two Pokemon. Roaring Moon is based on a pseudo-legendary. Roaring Moon's Dex and Occulture entries implicitly specify Mega Salamence, not just Salamence itself. With how little correlation they share, why is it that you're so headstrong about how their counterpart-relation must mean that they're both be based on Megas?<br /> :The majority of these traits can be explained as the result of the mechanization of Iron Valiant's design, rather than an intentional reference to the Megas. The skirt-plates are a replacement of the original cloth-like skirt. Just because they made the individual plates round doesn't mean anything, because neither regular Gardevoir nor M.Gardevoir have independent sections of their skirts that are individually rounded. There is no direct correlation between them. The 'sleeves', as mentioned, are innate to mechanization. The exaggeratedly flared shape of said sleeves (again, M.Gardevoir's sleeves are nowhere near as flared, if flared at all) can be credited to trying to combine Gardevoir's and Gallade's arms into one, while incorporating that detachment gimmick and making sure the blades don't clip through any body-parts because of the slight anatomical differences from Gallade.<br /> <br /> :'''Having said all that, I will clarify, practically everything I said prior is meaningless.''' After thinking it through, this whole argument of opinionated interpretation is irrelevant and not important. I take issue with the claim, ''the facts are in the design'', because that's not factual. That's subjective. Yes, I'm calling the kettle black, because I've been doing the same thing, and I apologize for contributing to the problem. This 'issue' of speculation versus speculation shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, because both sides are still speculation in the end.<br /> :That said, I still disagree with Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade, but for a more important reason than my personal opinion: '''the lack of concrete info'''. 'Paradox Pokemon' is not a category created and interpreted by the fans. It's an officially-designated category (quite literally their [[Pokemon category|category]]). Through the various sources of the Pokedex, Scarlet/Violet Book, and Occulture; the game itself acknowledges which Pokemon that each Paradox resembles, and in Roaring Moon's case, the game even implicitly specifies Salamence that underwent Mega Evolution. In light of this, the game only confirms and acknowledges a relation to regular Gardevoir and Gallade; it doesn't specify anything beyond that, and any relation with their Megas is unconfirmed speculation. '''The wiki should prioritize concrete info over speculation when applicable''', especially on a table meant to be informative.<br /> :If you're still adamant that the similarities to their Megas should still be noted even without concrete info, I don't see much issue putting a sub-note of such in the trivia section. Something like:<br /> :* Roaring Moon is the only Paradox Pokémon based on a Mega Evolved Pokémon.<br /> :** Iron Valiant has some similarities with Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade, but any possible relation has not been acknowledged.<br /> --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 22:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Iron Valiant lacks the two defining features of Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade (giant poofy dress and cape, respectively) and more importantly, ''the never mentions mega evolution in relation to Iron Valiant.'' Saying it's based on Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade is pure fanon, as opposed to Roaring Moon, where the connection to mega evolution is stated in-game.[[User:DrPumpkinz|DrPumpkinz]] ([[User talk:DrPumpkinz|talk]]) 04:27, 9 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> -- You seem to have misremembered the full quote: &quot;It looks similar to Salamence when they undergo a certain phenomenon elsewhere in the world, '''but it's unclear if there is any connection'''.&quot; This suggests while there is a resemblance to Mega Salamance, there is no way to confirm the connection other than the design. The same is true for Iron Valiant, with a futuristic and unique version of the dress/cape incorporated into it's design. The arms alone are enough to convince me since they are pulled directly from the megas, just like Roaring Moon's wings. I think there is one level that we should consider in-game, where they state a connection is unclear and fail to recognise a connection, then there is another level out of game where we can visually analyse that both are designed after the mega forms. ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 12:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC))<br /> <br /> -- I didn't misremember anything. A lot of things in the Pokedex are wishy-washy &quot;huh this thing's maybe kinda weird but we're not too sure&quot;. The point is that the game goes out of its way to say &quot;hey Roaring Moon kinda looks like Mega Salamence nudge nudge wink wink&quot; and makes no such mention for Iron Valiant. [[User:DrPumpkinz|DrPumpkinz]] ([[User talk:DrPumpkinz|talk]]) 16:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Iron Valiant ==<br /> <br /> I don't think Iron Valiant is based on both Gardevoir and Gallade. Going off how Roaring Moon is based on mega Salamanca but is not completely identical to it. The same thing can be said of Iron Valiant being based of the design of mega Gallade. With the arm blade and two cape-like protrusions similar to mega Gallade. But with it having some differences like the chest spike. I really don't think they would want to base it off two Pokémon.{{unsigned|Waldo32}}<br /> :There's no other way to explain why it has Gardevoir's back hair-curls.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 16:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::It is based off of both Gardevoir and Gallade as it is Gallade's arm blades + Gardevoir's skirt. The typing is also both Gardevoir and Gallade's secondary typings respectively. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 16:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Occulture ==<br /> For reference, here are the in-game Occulture articles for Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant. Note that Roaring Moon explicitly references Mega Salamence.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #04<br /> :'''Roaring Moon''': A Primeval Salamence?!<br /> :This elusive creature is called Roaring Moon after a similarly described being in the Scarlet Book. It '''looks similar to Salamence when they undergo a certain phenomenon elsewhere in the world''', but it’s unclear if there is any connection.<br /> :This creature scatters feathers as it flies around at high speeds seeking prey. It’s thought to be more savage than Salamence, and if you should encounter one, it’s imperative that you avoid actual contact.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #04<br /> :'''Iron Valiant''': An Experiment Gone Wrong?!<br /> :This oddity’s name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book. One theory holds that it is in fact a robot—the product of a mad scientist’s efforts to create the most powerful psychic Pokémon of all.<br /> :According to its few eyewitnesses, Iron Valiant '''appears similar to both Gardevoir and Gallade'''. It’s also said to be cruel enough to take its brilliantly shining blade and cut down anyone confronting it without hesitation.<br /> <br /> --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 19:15, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Just going to post the rest of the articles for posterity, and also bolding Pokemon names for clarity.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #05<br /> :'''Flutter Mane''': A Ghostly Pterosaur?!<br /> :Flutter Mane—a name taken from a strange creature with a matching description appearing in the Scarlet Book—is said to float around the sky at night with its long hair writhing about it.<br /> :Eyewitness accounts describe it as '''resembling a giant Misdreavus''' at first glance, albeit a highly fierce and aggressive one. Some believe that it’s a ghost of a pterosaur from a long-gone era.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #05<br /> :'''Iron Hands''': Secretly a Cyborg?!<br /> :This being’s name comes from the one given to an iron-handed entity in the mysterious Violet Book. It is said to have fists that move independent of its body and to be capable of throwing large, fast-moving vehicles.<br /> :A leading theory holds that Iron Hands was once an athlete who became mortally wounded but was kept alive by being made into a cyborg. Why it so '''strongly resembles Hariyama''', however, remains unanswered.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #06<br /> :'''Brute Bonnet''': Amoonguss Meets Dinosaur?<br /> :This bizarre creature is said to combine traits of dinosaurs with those of the Pokémon Amoonguss. It’s named after a fierce mushroom creature of matching description that appears in the renowned Scarlet Book.<br /> :Brute Bonnet certainly '''resembles Amoonguss''', though with its own unique twists: its gigantic stature and seemingly low intelligence combine to make it a savage, powerful fighter.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #06<br /> :'''Iron Thorns''': A Tyranitar of the Distant Future?!<br /> :A strange being called Iron Thorns has been sighted in a certain cave in Paldea. This being bears a '''strong resemblance to Tyranitar''', but it apparently displays great coolheadedness and prefers to avoid unnecessary fights.<br /> :It appears to be highly intelligent and clad in metallic armor, causing some to speculate that it may be a Tyranitar as it would appear a billion years from now. Its name comes from a similarly described entity that appears in the Violet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #07<br /> :'''Sandy Shocks''': A Magneton with a 10-Thousand-Year Lifespan?!<br /> :Some scientists claim that this mysterious being '''is a Magneton''' that has lived for 10 thousand years. It has been sighted numerous times in Paldea’s more arid regions, but there are no reports of it ever having been caught.<br /> :It’s said that Sandy Shocks is an aggressive sort and that some people who’ve seen it have been attacked as well. It takes its name from a beast with a matching description in the era-defining Scarlet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #07<br /> :'''Iron Jugulis''': Pokémon or Machine?!<br /> :This flying life-form bearing a '''resemblance to Hydreigon''' has been seen in a certain corner of Paldea. It was reported to have razed an entire building with a high-energy blast, then flown off as if to find its next objective.<br /> :Iron Jugulis is theorized to be a sort of machine-Hydreigon hybrid, as it combines the former’s ruthlessness with the latter’s ferocity. It takes its name from a similarly described entity in the Violet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #08<br /> :'''Slither Wing''': A Prehistoric Volcarona, Revived?!<br /> :There have been precious few sightings reported of the ultra-mysterious Slither Wing, a being whose name is taken from that of a similar-seeming creature described in the ever-puzzling Scarlet Book.<br /> :Slither Wing '''shares traits with Volcarona''', so some theorize that it may have been revived from fossils from a prehistoric era that we have discussed in these pages. However, no Volcarona fossils of that era are known to have been found.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #08<br /> :'''Iron Moth''': A UFO Sent to Spy on Humankind?!<br /> :The name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the era-defining Violet Book. It was said to '''resemble Volcarona''' and would descend from the skies, following people around and occasionally even attacking them.<br /> :Some point to Iron Moth’s aggression as a sign that it is, in fact, a UFO of sorts being controlled by alien life. Perhaps something out there is using Iron Moth to observe us, waiting for the moment to mount an invasion...<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #09<br /> :'''Great Tusk''': A Living Relic of the Dinosaur Era?!<br /> :In one arid corner of Paldea, there have been reports of a mysterious life-form. It’s said to '''resemble a Donphan''' at first glance, albeit one with gigantic tusks, tough scales, and an aggressive disposition.<br /> :Leading theories hold that this being is nothing less than a living relic of the dinosaur era, but no one can say for sure. Apparently, it’s called Great Tusk after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Scarlet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #09<br /> :'''Iron Treads''': An Alien Weapon?!<br /> :In one arid corner of Paldea, there have been reports of a mysterious life-form. It’s said to '''resemble a Donphan''' at first glance, albeit one that can abruptly assume a spherical shape and launch into a swift rolling attack.<br /> :Rumors say this being is some kind of weapon using technology not of this world, but no one can say for sure. Apparently, it’s called Iron Treads after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Violet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #10<br /> :'''Scream Tail''': A Billion-Year-Old Jigglypuff?!<br /> :Somewhere in a Paldean forest, it’s said, lurks Scream Tail—a being '''with Jigglypuff’s own endearing puffball appearance''' but also a ferocious aggression that leads it to attack anyone who comes near.<br /> :Its primitive appearance and savage nature have prompted rumors that it could be a Jigglypuff from one billion years ago. It’s named after a creature in the Scarlet Book that is described as having a distinctive tail and scream.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #10<br /> :'''Iron Bundle''': An Ancient Civilization’s Robot?!<br /> :The mysterious Violet Book makes reference to a being called Iron Bundle, which was said to '''look like Delibird''' and to possess a spherical apparatus from which it would fire huge blasts of ice to propel itself through snowy lands.<br /> :Plenty of theories about it have been floated. A leading one suggests it is the product of a long-gone civilization—a notion supported by ancient writings that describe the design and usage of machines resembling Iron Bundle.<br /> <br /> As you can see, all of them specify which Pokemon they resemble, no subjective interpretation necessary. Roaring Moon even goes as far as to specify 'Salamence when they undergo a certain phenomenon elsewhere in the world' AKA Mega Salamence. The fact of the matter is that if Iron Valiant was referencing the Mega forms of Gardevoir and Gallade, the Occulture file would've specified it.<br /> <br /> --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 20:04, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> * I think should add these to Paradox page or at least have its own page.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 20:41, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == future SoJ leaked name ==<br /> The future SoJ paradox mon's name is leaked to be &quot;Iron Sword&quot;. [[User:PikachuEevee2022|PikachuEevee2022]] ([[User talk:PikachuEevee2022|talk]]) 02:51, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :Where is the proof?--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 02:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::its a leak, and idk where riddlers kaka and khu find their leaks [[User:PikachuEevee2022|PikachuEevee2022]] ([[User talk:PikachuEevee2022|talk]]) 20:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't find anything about it, and nither Kaka nor Khu appear to have given such information lately. Of course leaks don't belong on a wiki, but I would like to know if it's true.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Iron Valiant 2: Electric Boogaloo ==<br /> <br /> How do we know that Iron Valian is based specifically on Gardevoir and Gallade's Mega forms without any official confirmation? Nowhere does the game say anything about Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade, it's a huge stretch just because IV happens to have elements of the Mega forms. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 21:49, 27 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :Personally i think it should just mention Gardevoir and Gallade, yeah. Like you said, the Occulture article doesn't explicitly mention IV resembling Megas (unlike Roaring Moon). IV does have ''some'' traits of Mega Gardevoir/Gallade, but i think it's better to just mention regular Gardevoir/Gallade as a general baseline. Either that or we bloat the table by including both base and Mega Gardevoir/Gallade (this is not an actual suggestion). [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 22:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::That's my entire point. Even then, &quot;IV is based off Megas&quot; is fanon, not canon. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 22:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::I agree, there is nothing to indicate that IV is based off of megas. [[User:Pikiwyn|&lt;font color=&quot;#d0000d&quot; face=&quot;chiller&quot;&gt;'''Pikiwyn'''&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|&lt;tt&gt;&lt;sup&gt;'''''&lt;font color=&quot;black&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;'''''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;]] 17:10, 23 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Since the Paradox Pokémon... ==<br /> Since the Paradox Pokémon (aside from Koraidon and Miraidon) have different names in Spanish and Italian due to their unusual names shouldn’t there now be articles for Spanish and Italian Pokémon names as there is now 15 Pokémon (With Type Null also being one of them) with different names in Spanish and Italian<br /> <br /> I thought I would ask this here for the reasons that are mentioned in the title so perhaps someone should do that that eventually as I feel that 15 Pokémon with different names in Spanish and Italian is enough to justify creating those articles ~~TurtwigFan4848~~ {{unsigned|Turtwig Fan4848}}<br /> <br /> == Stone evolution commonality - worth a trivia note? ==<br /> <br /> The three past Paradox Pokémon based on a not-fully-evolved base Pokémon (Sandy Shocks, Scream Tail, and Flutter Mane) each have base forms that typically evolve with an evolutionary stone--Magneton with a Thunder Stone (as of Gen VIII), Jigglypuff with a Moon Stone, and Misdreavus with a Dusk Stone. Is this worth a note in the trivia section? [[User:Slowbro4pres|Slowbro4pres]] ([[User talk:Slowbro4pres|talk]]) 19:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Base stat comparison==<br /> Instead of just comparing the Paradox Pokémon's base stats with each other, how about also comparing them to their modern-day counterparts? Many Paradox Pokémon have stat distributions resembling their modern-day counterparts, with perhaps a spike in one or two stats and slight changes in others. An example is how Misdreavus, Mismagius, and Flutter Mane all have HP = Attack = Defense and Sp. Atk = Sp. Def = Speed. [[User:Haruna Tsuruhime|Haruna Tsuruhime]] ([[User talk:Haruna Tsuruhime|talk]]) 05:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Iron [X] = stars??? ==<br /> <br /> Personally i think it's way too much of a stretch; especially since none of the future paradox mons are explicitly designed after stars (unlike, say, {{p|Solgaleo}}). The trivia was first added by [[User:CaeserJulius]]; i removed it like 2 weeks ago for the aforementioned reason, but then they re-added it back in just now, stating &quot;It's not appropriate to remove content because you have an opinion&quot;.<br /> <br /> Idk, what do others think? [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 16:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It's just a trivia, and I like it. The use &quot;hadron&quot; and &quot;quark&quot; does give precedent to think about subatomic particles and iron is the most stable element to which other tend to go. This is general truth about elements not exlusive to stars.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 17:52, 9 July 2023 (UTC) <br /> ::Given that their designs all very clearly depict them to be made of some kind of metal, the simplest solution is that the name &quot;Iron&quot; was chosen because they all appear to be made of metal, and iron is a type of metal. If we're going to delve into speculation at all, I feel like we should start with the simplest explanation before we start jumping to more obscure connections like star death or subatomic particles, which have very tenuous connections to &quot;iron&quot;. This trivia section is already ridiculously long, so I'm in favor of not including this speculation at all. [[User:Storm Aurora|Storm Aurora]] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 18:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC)<br /> :::I oppose its inclusion as well. Iron is a very common element and isn't particularly associated with stars. [[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#00d1bc&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#006699&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == let's wait until Past Entei and Future Terrakion. ==<br /> <br /> this is the most likely next paradox pokemon.[[User:Cookie39828|Cookie39828]] ([[User talk:Cookie39828|talk]]) 18:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Paradox Pokémon in the original script. ==<br /> <br /> Hi, I just made an edit and I'd like to explain it because I've seen no one talk about it. I think it should be made even more clear but I imagine people are going to remove the edit without checking what I'm saying, hence this post here. Basically, I've added the notion (and I think it should be reformulated to be even more apparent, because I've only put it as a detail) that Paradox Pokémon ARE from different timelines because the Japanese, original version, says it directly.<br /> <br /> (てんそう) モンスターボールを転送し (つか) (こと) (じかんじく) 異なる時間軸のポケモンを 捕まえて (げんだい) (よ) 現代へと 呼びだすことができる<br /> ''It allows us to send Poké Balls in'' '''different timelines''' ''to catch Pokémon there and call them back to our time.'' <br /> ''(the exact word is &quot;time axis&quot;, which is basically the word for timeline)''<br /> <br /> I've put this text as a source, but you can go look at the original elevator dialogue in the entire context. Basically, in the English version, it does this very awkward thing where it says the machine ''transports Poké Balls to another point in the timeline and brings them back in our time'' and, duh, that's how a time machine works. However, what the Japanese text says instead is that it ''transports Poké Balls to different timelines and brings them back in our time''.<br /> If you want further proof, the Japanese wiki always had this notion, way before the DLC and its source is not Crystal Pool but the elevator scene. Even Japanese posts online about the AI and Paradox Pokémon talk about them being from different timelines.<br /> So basically we just had to wait for the DLC because the localization team was bad at their job, and discovered it now, while for those who read the Japanese text, it's been clear since the start. And the elevator scene acts as a moment of clarification, before and even after, the AI calls them ancient/future Pokémon, but this moment, which is supposed to explain the details of how the machine works and adds nothing in the localized version, comes off in the Japanese text as a more precise explanation : it calls them from other timelines.{{unsigned|Enzoul777}}<br /> <br /> :Time Axis can also be translated as point in time. I also wouldn't immediately assume Paradox Pokemon are just AU Pokemon since in every version of the game, the professor still talks about bringing them from the past/future and all media calls them ancient/future Pokemon. If we were to reach a middle ground, I would say they should be considered &quot;Pokemon brought from the past/future of other timelines&quot;<br /> <br /> :Also maybe something has changed or we are looking at different wikis, but [[Pokémon Wiki|Pokemon Wiki]] says they're from different points in time. [[User:JadedArts|JadedArts]] ([[User talk:JadedArts|talk]]) 03:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</div>

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<p>JadedArts: /* Paradox Pokémon in the original script. */</p> <hr /> <div>==Iron Valiant prop==<br /> Hey, I have a proposition in regards to Iron Valiant. It, being the version exclusive counterpart to Roaring Moon, is also in fact also based on the Mega Evolved forms of Gallade and Gardevoir.<br /> This is evident since:<br /> -It has white arms like both megas<br /> -The white &quot;gloves&quot;, &quot;puffed out dress&quot; part and more circular green part of the head like Mega Gardevoir.<br /> -The arms have the same pink blades as Mega Gallade.<br /> Just an observation I felt worth mentioning!<br /> ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 09:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC))<br /> :I think the scrutinizing focus on color is a poor indication, considering many of the other Paradoxes don't match exact colors either. All of the 'Iron' Paradoxes also only use a single color for their energy-based body-parts, so Valiant is naturally restricted to pink if it wants to use energy blades.<br /> :If you look closely, Valiant shares far more distinctive traits with their base forms than their Mega forms:<br /> : - The shape of its head-crest matches regular Gallade's, rather than the curvier crest of M.Gallade.<br /> : - The shape of its ears is closer to regular Gardevoir than M.Gardevoir.<br /> : - The way its skirt opens at the front and the green underside match regular Gardevoir. The 'poofiness' is more likely a result of the mechanization of its skirt (since you can't exactly have mechanical cloth), and they would've made the skirt more prominent if they were emulating M.Gardevoir.<br /> : - The spike in its chest doesn't match either Mega (M.Gardevoir has two spikes while M.Gallade has a short nub). --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 13:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :The shape of it's &quot;ear&quot; spikes also match with Mega Gallade and I think it's fair to say the two main features of the arm blades and poofy dress are more than enough considering Salamence only has the wing shape going for it. I really believe that it's based off of the mega like Roaring Moon, or you could argue that Roaring Moon has aspects of both Salamence's base form and mega, which Iron Valiant does too. I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't think it was worth including since the trivia also states Salamence is the only one based off of a mega. You really can't ignore those pink arm blades and poofy &quot;dress&quot;, just like you can't ignore Roaring Moon's crescent wings, it's the shape of the features that convinces me personally. ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 14:30, 23 November 2022 (UTC))<br /> ::Not only that but they also share the sum of their base stats. I'm sure everyone agrees that Iron Valiant is more closely related to Mega forms of Gardevoir and Gallade.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 16:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::The sum of stats is irrelevant. All it proves is that they're version-counterparts, not whether they share the same design process. The fact that Iron Valiant is based on two Pokemon already disproves that. Iron Valiant also lacks distinctive traits that are unique to the Megas alone. Arm-blades and skirts are not exclusive to the Megas.<br /> :::Regular Gallade has arm-blades too, and the simpler single-pointed design also better matches Iron Valiant's blades. The pink color is irrelevant if it lacks the unique features of M.Gallade's blades, because as mentioned before, the 'Iron' Paradoxes only possess a single energy-color (hence Iron Moth's orange eyes, Iron Hands's yellow palms, Iron Bundle's blue belly-button, etc.).<br /> :::Likewise, regular Gardevoir has a skirt too. The open-faced arrangement of the skirt, along with the green inner-lining, are clearly referencing regular Gardevoir's skirt. It's also far from what I'd call 'poofy' if it was supposed to be based on M.Gardevoir's dress. The skirt still retains a fairly slender 'cone' shape, rather than the 'dome' shape of M.Gardevoir's skirt. All it has is the roundness of the individual skirt-plates (which is a distinctly different aspect from the 'roundness' of the overall skirt as a whole), which as also mentioned, is likely a by-product of mechanization (like Iron Moth's wings).<br /> :::Also, Roaring Moon's Violet Dex entry implicitly references its connection to Mega Evolution, while neither of Iron Valiant's entries has any sort of implications.--[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 17:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::::Iron Valiant arms are pink like on Mega Gallade, and the &quot;dress&quot; is umbrella shape like in Mega Gardevoir. There's no element suggesting it being based on regular forms over mega forms.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:10, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::::As I've repeatedly stated, color is one of the least distinct aspect of the 'Iron' Paradoxes. Regular Gardevoir's skirt is also 'umbrella'-like in nature. That is not unique to Mega Gardevoir. Likewise, as I repeatedly stated; the arrangement, the inner-lining, and the overall conic shape of the dress as a whole favor regular Gardevoir more than its Mega.<br /> ::::As for elements suggesting regular forms, I've stated them repeatedly. There's the aforementioned details of the dress. The head-crest is a straight vertical edge like regular Gallade's (as opposed to the curved crescent edge of M.Gallade's head-crest). The spike in its chest is different from either Mega.--[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 18:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::::You can't claim that pink color was chosen randomly for this Paradox Pokemon and happened to reflect Mega Gallade's design. Also, Gardevoir's dress is cone-like, while Iron Valiant and Mega Gardevoir's dress is umbrella-shaped, not to mention it's only on the back for Iron Valaint just like in Mega Gallade.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::::I never said the color was random. Just that it's irrelevant as a design indication. Evidently, the pink was inspired by the color of the original Pokemon(s)'s chest-spike and eyes, and then used as the overall energy-color for the Paradox; similar to the other 'Iron' Paradoxes, like how Iron Hands's yellow is based on Hariyama's skirt. However, like how yellow is applied to parts of Iron Hands that doesn't match Hariyama (like the eyes, palms, feet, etc.), the other areas where the pink is applied (like Iron Valiant's feet, dress, and blades) is irrelevant to the color-scheme of the original Pokemon.<br /> :::::M.Gallade happened to also follow this process of reapplying color-accents in other areas, but correlation does not imply causation. After all, where did the red color of M.Gallade's arm-blades come from in the first place? Regular Gallade's red-accents. In the first place, there's not a wide range of colors to the Ralts-family (white, green, red/pink). There will naturally be overlaps. If you don't want overlaps, you would have to either ban Iron Valiant from using the color red, or ban it from using energy-blades (both of which are stupid ideas).<br /> :::::If by 'umbrella' you mean dome-shaped, Iron Valiant's dress is far more conic than dome-shaped. You're misguided by the roundness of the '''individual''' skirt-plates, rather than the overall skirt. The overall shape is conic; at most, I'll concede with egg-shaped. However, it's definitely not dome-shaped like M.Gardevoir's. You're also ignoring all of the details of the dress itself (green inner-lining, the opened face of the front area), and ignoring all of the other details I've mentioned. --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 18:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Similarly, I think you choose what you want to believe. At this point we need someone else to resolve this issue so if there's any staff memeber reading this, please have a voice.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 19:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> Going to go ahead and step in here before I finish making changes to the page today. The two are definitely version counterparts to each other.<br /> : 1. Roaring Moon is based off of Salamence's Mega form given the crescent moon wing design now has more flare to it along with other parts that make it look more primitive in design, as befitting a Paradox Pokémon from the far distant past.<br /> : 2. Iron Valiant shares more in common with Gallade and Gardevoir's mega forms than their regular forms. They have M-Gallade's arm blades and M-Gardevoir's puffed out skirt. While regular Gallade also has arm blades, they are not red in color, nor do the arm blades stick out as much. Regular Gardevoir's skirt is small and much closer to Gardevoir's legs, whereas M-Gardevoir's skirt is puffed out which fits more with Iron Valiant's design. The only parts of Iron Valiant that fit with the regular forms is the red chest piece and Gallade's torso and head spike.<br /> Everything else about Iron Valiant points more towards being based on Mega Forms than their regular forms. If it was based more on the regular forms of Gallade and Gardevoir, it would most likely be lacking the distinct red / pink arm blades and M-Gardevoir's puffed out skirt. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 17:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :The counterpart-relation with Roaring Moon is irrelevant. It doesn't mean that their design processes correlate with each other. Just the very fact that Iron Valiant is based on two Pokemon, and neither of them are pseudo-legendaries, already disproves any such conceptual correlation.<br /> ::1. As I've stated, the 'energy color' is also largely irrelevant. The 'Iron' Paradoxes only use a single 'energy color', so if Iron Valiant wants a different color of energy-blades, the colors of its eyes and chest-spike (and the energy-accents on the rest of its body) need to change with it. Thus, just because the blades are pink doesn't mean that the base Pokemon's blades are pink (again, like with many of the other 'Iron' Paradoxes and their respective 'energy colors').<br /> ::2. If the color in question is the 'energy color' (i.e. pink), then you can only reliably refer to other details to establish a relation. M.Gallade's blades are more than just its color. They're more complex with two pointed ends on its edge, a white inner-body, and a red gem ascent. However, Iron Valiant's blades are monochromatic, plain, and single-pointed; similar to regular Gallade's blades. Just based on the qualitative details alone, Iron Valiant's blades are unrelated to M.Gallade's blades.<br /> ::3. Again with the skirt. M.Gardevoir's skirt is not just a little 'puffed out', it's a full-blown dome-shaped ball gown that covers 360°. That is not at all like Iron Valiant's skirt. Iron Valiant's skirt is composed of rounded plates, yes; but that roundness only extends to the individual plates. The plates are arranged in a conic shape that is far from a dome. They're not even that 'puffed out'; they're relatively thin and reasonably valid as a mechanical substitute for 'cloth'. Moreover, the arrangement is not 360° and is open at the front, which is distinctive to regular Gardevoir. The inner-lining is green (not white), which is also distinctive to regular Gardevoir alone. If the goal is to emulate M.Gardevoir, why is the connection to M.Gardevoir so vague and abstract ('poofy', but not really), while the connection to regular Gardevoir is so distinct and unmistakable (green inner-lining, open-faced front)?<br /> ::4. The prior points I've mentioned (i.e. the head-crest, the chest-spike, the non-white accented torso) are also unmistakably distinct traits unique to the regular forms alone, which you yourself admitted. The arm-blades and skirt are shared by both regular and Mega forms, and Iron Valiant lacks the distinctive traits that make them unique to the Megas alone (i.e. the complex design of M.Gallade's blades, the 360° dome-shape of M.Gardevoir's skirt). Not to mention, there are other distinctive traits that are explicitly unique to the Megas alone (i.e. M.Gallade's cape, M.Gardevoir's 'heart-like' chest-spikes, or even just that extra curved spike on M.Gardevoir's ears) that Iron Valiant could have easily used if that was the intent.<br /> :In regards to the aforementioned correlation with Roaring Moon, Roaring Moon's connection to M.Salamence is also '''not purely observational'''. Its Violet dex entry implicitly references its connection to Mega Evolution, while Iron Valiant's dex entries doesn't mention or imply anything of that nature. --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 18:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you disagree with another user's edits, that does not mean immediately change it to what you think it should be, you still need to wait for others to chime in for a discussion.<br /> :::1. What is this &quot;energy color&quot; you are referring to? All &quot;Iron&quot; variants still retain some form based around their modern day contemporaries. The only Paradox Pokémon with major changes that don't fit to their moderns are: Koraidon/Miraidon, Sandy Shocks, and Slither Wing.<br /> :::2. The color scheme and look for Iron Valiant's arms is closer to M-Gallade's than Gallade's. <br /> :::3. That is very much like Iron Valian't skirt sans it being open in the front area to reveal the torso region.<br /> :::4. The arms and skirt share more in common with their Mega form designs than their regular forms, Iron Valiant's body seems to use Gallade as a base.<br /> ::The Violet entries for Iron Valiant imply they wanted to make a powerful Psychic-type, it would make more sense to use the Mega forms as a baseline rather than their base forms. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 19:41, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::The 'energy color' I'm referring to are the saturated highlighted colors used by the Violet 'Iron' Paradoxes. All of them use only a single such 'energy color'<br /> ::::Red - Iron Treads<br /> ::::Orange - Iron Moth<br /> ::::Yellow - Iron Hands<br /> ::::Green - Iron Spikes<br /> ::::Blue - Iron Bundle<br /> ::::Violet - Iron Jugulis<br /> ::::Magenta/Pink - Iron Valiant<br /> :::Yes, most of the time, these 'energy colors' are based on a specific part of the Pokemon (in Gardevoir's/Gallade's case, the chest-spikes and the eyes); but these energy-colors are then applied to other parts of the Paradoxes that have nothing to do with their base counterparts (i.e. Iron Hands applies the yellow skirting of Hariyama onto its palms, Iron Thorns applies Tyranitar's green to all of its holes and its originally-blue belly, Iron Treads applies the red of Donphan's ears to... well, everything). Hence, the 'energy color' is unreliable as a distinctive point.<br /> :::If you're going to be nitpicking the color-scheme of specific parts, then why are you ignoring the green inner-lining of the skirt (something undeniably unique to regular Gardevoir), and how its body is not solid-white (unlike M.Gardevoir and M.Gallade).<br /> :::Moreover, I already mention that there is more to the Megas' design than vaguely similar shape and colors. If Iron Valiant wanted to use M.Gallade's blades, it could easily incorporate the complex details of its blades while still maintaining the mechanical look. The white inner-body of M.Gallade's blades is even perfect for some sort of 'energy saw', but Iron Valiant just has a simple plain monochromatic blade. As for the skirt, there is no reason to make it so ambiguously similar to regular Gardevoir's skirt unless that was the intention.--[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 20:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::: Kyo, I suggest you go take a look at Gardevoir and Gallades's arms then look at their Mega form's arms. <br /> It has elements for ALL of them in the general design however the Mega form's elements are much more evident. It is also worth noting that it has design elements unique to it too, much like the other Paradox Forms, such as the &quot;pigtails&quot; on the back of it's head, it's side of the cheek spikes which are a midway point between the Pokémon it is based on and the pink body &quot;spike&quot; is round and unlike the body parts on the others. It is extremely likely they gave the underside of Gardevoir's dress to Iron Valiant and no one is doubting that, however the dress shape itself is the same as the Mega Form's which you are ignoring. I don't know why the underside of the dress is more important to you than the arm blade colour but you seem to be picking and choosing what to believe when the facts are in the design. <br /> And when you compare it to it's version exclusive counterpart, that's the last piece slotting into place. ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 14:13, 25 November 2022 (UTC))<br /> <br /> :There are vast differences between Iron Valiant's arms and M.Gardevoir's/M.Gallade's arms. Yes, there are vague similarities, but there will naturally be similarities because they're literally derived from the same Pokemon. I haven't been ignoring anything. I've already addressed that they're not the same, nor similar to a meaningful degree. You're taking a vague 20% similarity, ignoring the distinct differences, and reaching to make it a 100% similarity.<br /> :- M.Gardevoir's skirt is not made of individual oval plates. Iron Valiant's said plates are placed in a cone-like arrangement at an approximate 60°-angled point, not a nearly-circular dome like M.Gardevoir's.<br /> :- As for the sleeves, M.Gardevoir's sleeves are nowhere near as flared out, or rather, they're not really flared in the first place. Moreoever, Iron Valiant is a robot, so its elbows will naturally be segmented, forming 'sleeves' regardless. <br /> :- As I've described many times, the 'energy color' (pink in Iron Valiant's case) is unreliable as an identifying trait, literally going off of precedent set by the other Paradoxes. M.Gallade's arm-blades have far more distinctive identifying features beyond a single shade of color, said features which Iron Valiant lacks.<br /> :- Again, the correlation with Roaring Moon is meaningless, because you're cherry-picking a connection, and only in a manner that goes one-way. Roaring Moon is not based on two Pokemon. Roaring Moon is based on a pseudo-legendary. Roaring Moon's Dex and Occulture entries implicitly specify Mega Salamence, not just Salamence itself. With how little correlation they share, why is it that you're so headstrong about how their counterpart-relation must mean that they're both be based on Megas?<br /> :The majority of these traits can be explained as the result of the mechanization of Iron Valiant's design, rather than an intentional reference to the Megas. The skirt-plates are a replacement of the original cloth-like skirt. Just because they made the individual plates round doesn't mean anything, because neither regular Gardevoir nor M.Gardevoir have independent sections of their skirts that are individually rounded. There is no direct correlation between them. The 'sleeves', as mentioned, are innate to mechanization. The exaggeratedly flared shape of said sleeves (again, M.Gardevoir's sleeves are nowhere near as flared, if flared at all) can be credited to trying to combine Gardevoir's and Gallade's arms into one, while incorporating that detachment gimmick and making sure the blades don't clip through any body-parts because of the slight anatomical differences from Gallade.<br /> <br /> :'''Having said all that, I will clarify, practically everything I said prior is meaningless.''' After thinking it through, this whole argument of opinionated interpretation is irrelevant and not important. I take issue with the claim, ''the facts are in the design'', because that's not factual. That's subjective. Yes, I'm calling the kettle black, because I've been doing the same thing, and I apologize for contributing to the problem. This 'issue' of speculation versus speculation shouldn't have been an issue in the first place, because both sides are still speculation in the end.<br /> :That said, I still disagree with Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade, but for a more important reason than my personal opinion: '''the lack of concrete info'''. 'Paradox Pokemon' is not a category created and interpreted by the fans. It's an officially-designated category (quite literally their [[Pokemon category|category]]). Through the various sources of the Pokedex, Scarlet/Violet Book, and Occulture; the game itself acknowledges which Pokemon that each Paradox resembles, and in Roaring Moon's case, the game even implicitly specifies Salamence that underwent Mega Evolution. In light of this, the game only confirms and acknowledges a relation to regular Gardevoir and Gallade; it doesn't specify anything beyond that, and any relation with their Megas is unconfirmed speculation. '''The wiki should prioritize concrete info over speculation when applicable''', especially on a table meant to be informative.<br /> :If you're still adamant that the similarities to their Megas should still be noted even without concrete info, I don't see much issue putting a sub-note of such in the trivia section. Something like:<br /> :* Roaring Moon is the only Paradox Pokémon based on a Mega Evolved Pokémon.<br /> :** Iron Valiant has some similarities with Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade, but any possible relation has not been acknowledged.<br /> --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 22:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Iron Valiant lacks the two defining features of Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade (giant poofy dress and cape, respectively) and more importantly, ''the never mentions mega evolution in relation to Iron Valiant.'' Saying it's based on Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade is pure fanon, as opposed to Roaring Moon, where the connection to mega evolution is stated in-game.[[User:DrPumpkinz|DrPumpkinz]] ([[User talk:DrPumpkinz|talk]]) 04:27, 9 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> -- You seem to have misremembered the full quote: &quot;It looks similar to Salamence when they undergo a certain phenomenon elsewhere in the world, '''but it's unclear if there is any connection'''.&quot; This suggests while there is a resemblance to Mega Salamance, there is no way to confirm the connection other than the design. The same is true for Iron Valiant, with a futuristic and unique version of the dress/cape incorporated into it's design. The arms alone are enough to convince me since they are pulled directly from the megas, just like Roaring Moon's wings. I think there is one level that we should consider in-game, where they state a connection is unclear and fail to recognise a connection, then there is another level out of game where we can visually analyse that both are designed after the mega forms. ([[User:Galarian Guy|Galarian Guy]] ([[User talk:Galarian Guy|talk]]) 12:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC))<br /> <br /> -- I didn't misremember anything. A lot of things in the Pokedex are wishy-washy &quot;huh this thing's maybe kinda weird but we're not too sure&quot;. The point is that the game goes out of its way to say &quot;hey Roaring Moon kinda looks like Mega Salamence nudge nudge wink wink&quot; and makes no such mention for Iron Valiant. [[User:DrPumpkinz|DrPumpkinz]] ([[User talk:DrPumpkinz|talk]]) 16:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Iron Valiant ==<br /> <br /> I don't think Iron Valiant is based on both Gardevoir and Gallade. Going off how Roaring Moon is based on mega Salamanca but is not completely identical to it. The same thing can be said of Iron Valiant being based of the design of mega Gallade. With the arm blade and two cape-like protrusions similar to mega Gallade. But with it having some differences like the chest spike. I really don't think they would want to base it off two Pokémon.{{unsigned|Waldo32}}<br /> :There's no other way to explain why it has Gardevoir's back hair-curls.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 16:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::It is based off of both Gardevoir and Gallade as it is Gallade's arm blades + Gardevoir's skirt. The typing is also both Gardevoir and Gallade's secondary typings respectively. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 16:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Occulture ==<br /> For reference, here are the in-game Occulture articles for Roaring Moon and Iron Valiant. Note that Roaring Moon explicitly references Mega Salamence.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #04<br /> :'''Roaring Moon''': A Primeval Salamence?!<br /> :This elusive creature is called Roaring Moon after a similarly described being in the Scarlet Book. It '''looks similar to Salamence when they undergo a certain phenomenon elsewhere in the world''', but it’s unclear if there is any connection.<br /> :This creature scatters feathers as it flies around at high speeds seeking prey. It’s thought to be more savage than Salamence, and if you should encounter one, it’s imperative that you avoid actual contact.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #04<br /> :'''Iron Valiant''': An Experiment Gone Wrong?!<br /> :This oddity’s name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book. One theory holds that it is in fact a robot—the product of a mad scientist’s efforts to create the most powerful psychic Pokémon of all.<br /> :According to its few eyewitnesses, Iron Valiant '''appears similar to both Gardevoir and Gallade'''. It’s also said to be cruel enough to take its brilliantly shining blade and cut down anyone confronting it without hesitation.<br /> <br /> --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 19:15, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Just going to post the rest of the articles for posterity, and also bolding Pokemon names for clarity.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #05<br /> :'''Flutter Mane''': A Ghostly Pterosaur?!<br /> :Flutter Mane—a name taken from a strange creature with a matching description appearing in the Scarlet Book—is said to float around the sky at night with its long hair writhing about it.<br /> :Eyewitness accounts describe it as '''resembling a giant Misdreavus''' at first glance, albeit a highly fierce and aggressive one. Some believe that it’s a ghost of a pterosaur from a long-gone era.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #05<br /> :'''Iron Hands''': Secretly a Cyborg?!<br /> :This being’s name comes from the one given to an iron-handed entity in the mysterious Violet Book. It is said to have fists that move independent of its body and to be capable of throwing large, fast-moving vehicles.<br /> :A leading theory holds that Iron Hands was once an athlete who became mortally wounded but was kept alive by being made into a cyborg. Why it so '''strongly resembles Hariyama''', however, remains unanswered.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #06<br /> :'''Brute Bonnet''': Amoonguss Meets Dinosaur?<br /> :This bizarre creature is said to combine traits of dinosaurs with those of the Pokémon Amoonguss. It’s named after a fierce mushroom creature of matching description that appears in the renowned Scarlet Book.<br /> :Brute Bonnet certainly '''resembles Amoonguss''', though with its own unique twists: its gigantic stature and seemingly low intelligence combine to make it a savage, powerful fighter.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #06<br /> :'''Iron Thorns''': A Tyranitar of the Distant Future?!<br /> :A strange being called Iron Thorns has been sighted in a certain cave in Paldea. This being bears a '''strong resemblance to Tyranitar''', but it apparently displays great coolheadedness and prefers to avoid unnecessary fights.<br /> :It appears to be highly intelligent and clad in metallic armor, causing some to speculate that it may be a Tyranitar as it would appear a billion years from now. Its name comes from a similarly described entity that appears in the Violet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #07<br /> :'''Sandy Shocks''': A Magneton with a 10-Thousand-Year Lifespan?!<br /> :Some scientists claim that this mysterious being '''is a Magneton''' that has lived for 10 thousand years. It has been sighted numerous times in Paldea’s more arid regions, but there are no reports of it ever having been caught.<br /> :It’s said that Sandy Shocks is an aggressive sort and that some people who’ve seen it have been attacked as well. It takes its name from a beast with a matching description in the era-defining Scarlet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #07<br /> :'''Iron Jugulis''': Pokémon or Machine?!<br /> :This flying life-form bearing a '''resemblance to Hydreigon''' has been seen in a certain corner of Paldea. It was reported to have razed an entire building with a high-energy blast, then flown off as if to find its next objective.<br /> :Iron Jugulis is theorized to be a sort of machine-Hydreigon hybrid, as it combines the former’s ruthlessness with the latter’s ferocity. It takes its name from a similarly described entity in the Violet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #08<br /> :'''Slither Wing''': A Prehistoric Volcarona, Revived?!<br /> :There have been precious few sightings reported of the ultra-mysterious Slither Wing, a being whose name is taken from that of a similar-seeming creature described in the ever-puzzling Scarlet Book.<br /> :Slither Wing '''shares traits with Volcarona''', so some theorize that it may have been revived from fossils from a prehistoric era that we have discussed in these pages. However, no Volcarona fossils of that era are known to have been found.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #08<br /> :'''Iron Moth''': A UFO Sent to Spy on Humankind?!<br /> :The name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the era-defining Violet Book. It was said to '''resemble Volcarona''' and would descend from the skies, following people around and occasionally even attacking them.<br /> :Some point to Iron Moth’s aggression as a sign that it is, in fact, a UFO of sorts being controlled by alien life. Perhaps something out there is using Iron Moth to observe us, waiting for the moment to mount an invasion...<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #09<br /> :'''Great Tusk''': A Living Relic of the Dinosaur Era?!<br /> :In one arid corner of Paldea, there have been reports of a mysterious life-form. It’s said to '''resemble a Donphan''' at first glance, albeit one with gigantic tusks, tough scales, and an aggressive disposition.<br /> :Leading theories hold that this being is nothing less than a living relic of the dinosaur era, but no one can say for sure. Apparently, it’s called Great Tusk after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Scarlet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #09<br /> :'''Iron Treads''': An Alien Weapon?!<br /> :In one arid corner of Paldea, there have been reports of a mysterious life-form. It’s said to '''resemble a Donphan''' at first glance, albeit one that can abruptly assume a spherical shape and launch into a swift rolling attack.<br /> :Rumors say this being is some kind of weapon using technology not of this world, but no one can say for sure. Apparently, it’s called Iron Treads after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Violet Book.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #10<br /> :'''Scream Tail''': A Billion-Year-Old Jigglypuff?!<br /> :Somewhere in a Paldean forest, it’s said, lurks Scream Tail—a being '''with Jigglypuff’s own endearing puffball appearance''' but also a ferocious aggression that leads it to attack anyone who comes near.<br /> :Its primitive appearance and savage nature have prompted rumors that it could be a Jigglypuff from one billion years ago. It’s named after a creature in the Scarlet Book that is described as having a distinctive tail and scream.<br /> <br /> :Enigmas of Paldea, File #10<br /> :'''Iron Bundle''': An Ancient Civilization’s Robot?!<br /> :The mysterious Violet Book makes reference to a being called Iron Bundle, which was said to '''look like Delibird''' and to possess a spherical apparatus from which it would fire huge blasts of ice to propel itself through snowy lands.<br /> :Plenty of theories about it have been floated. A leading one suggests it is the product of a long-gone civilization—a notion supported by ancient writings that describe the design and usage of machines resembling Iron Bundle.<br /> <br /> As you can see, all of them specify which Pokemon they resemble, no subjective interpretation necessary. Roaring Moon even goes as far as to specify 'Salamence when they undergo a certain phenomenon elsewhere in the world' AKA Mega Salamence. The fact of the matter is that if Iron Valiant was referencing the Mega forms of Gardevoir and Gallade, the Occulture file would've specified it.<br /> <br /> --[[User:KyoPa|KyoPa]] ([[User talk:KyoPa|talk]]) 20:04, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> * I think should add these to Paradox page or at least have its own page.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 20:41, 24 November 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == future SoJ leaked name ==<br /> The future SoJ paradox mon's name is leaked to be &quot;Iron Sword&quot;. [[User:PikachuEevee2022|PikachuEevee2022]] ([[User talk:PikachuEevee2022|talk]]) 02:51, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :Where is the proof?--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 02:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::its a leak, and idk where riddlers kaka and khu find their leaks [[User:PikachuEevee2022|PikachuEevee2022]] ([[User talk:PikachuEevee2022|talk]]) 20:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't find anything about it, and nither Kaka nor Khu appear to have given such information lately. Of course leaks don't belong on a wiki, but I would like to know if it's true.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Iron Valiant 2: Electric Boogaloo ==<br /> <br /> How do we know that Iron Valian is based specifically on Gardevoir and Gallade's Mega forms without any official confirmation? Nowhere does the game say anything about Mega Gardevoir and Mega Gallade, it's a huge stretch just because IV happens to have elements of the Mega forms. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 21:49, 27 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :Personally i think it should just mention Gardevoir and Gallade, yeah. Like you said, the Occulture article doesn't explicitly mention IV resembling Megas (unlike Roaring Moon). IV does have ''some'' traits of Mega Gardevoir/Gallade, but i think it's better to just mention regular Gardevoir/Gallade as a general baseline. Either that or we bloat the table by including both base and Mega Gardevoir/Gallade (this is not an actual suggestion). [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 22:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> ::That's my entire point. Even then, &quot;IV is based off Megas&quot; is fanon, not canon. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 22:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> :::I agree, there is nothing to indicate that IV is based off of megas. [[User:Pikiwyn|&lt;font color=&quot;#d0000d&quot; face=&quot;chiller&quot;&gt;'''Pikiwyn'''&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|&lt;tt&gt;&lt;sup&gt;'''''&lt;font color=&quot;black&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;'''''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;]] 17:10, 23 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Since the Paradox Pokémon... ==<br /> Since the Paradox Pokémon (aside from Koraidon and Miraidon) have different names in Spanish and Italian due to their unusual names shouldn’t there now be articles for Spanish and Italian Pokémon names as there is now 15 Pokémon (With Type Null also being one of them) with different names in Spanish and Italian<br /> <br /> I thought I would ask this here for the reasons that are mentioned in the title so perhaps someone should do that that eventually as I feel that 15 Pokémon with different names in Spanish and Italian is enough to justify creating those articles ~~TurtwigFan4848~~ {{unsigned|Turtwig Fan4848}}<br /> <br /> == Stone evolution commonality - worth a trivia note? ==<br /> <br /> The three past Paradox Pokémon based on a not-fully-evolved base Pokémon (Sandy Shocks, Scream Tail, and Flutter Mane) each have base forms that typically evolve with an evolutionary stone--Magneton with a Thunder Stone (as of Gen VIII), Jigglypuff with a Moon Stone, and Misdreavus with a Dusk Stone. Is this worth a note in the trivia section? [[User:Slowbro4pres|Slowbro4pres]] ([[User talk:Slowbro4pres|talk]]) 19:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Base stat comparison==<br /> Instead of just comparing the Paradox Pokémon's base stats with each other, how about also comparing them to their modern-day counterparts? Many Paradox Pokémon have stat distributions resembling their modern-day counterparts, with perhaps a spike in one or two stats and slight changes in others. An example is how Misdreavus, Mismagius, and Flutter Mane all have HP = Attack = Defense and Sp. Atk = Sp. Def = Speed. [[User:Haruna Tsuruhime|Haruna Tsuruhime]] ([[User talk:Haruna Tsuruhime|talk]]) 05:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Iron [X] = stars??? ==<br /> <br /> Personally i think it's way too much of a stretch; especially since none of the future paradox mons are explicitly designed after stars (unlike, say, {{p|Solgaleo}}). The trivia was first added by [[User:CaeserJulius]]; i removed it like 2 weeks ago for the aforementioned reason, but then they re-added it back in just now, stating &quot;It's not appropriate to remove content because you have an opinion&quot;.<br /> <br /> Idk, what do others think? [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 16:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It's just a trivia, and I like it. The use &quot;hadron&quot; and &quot;quark&quot; does give precedent to think about subatomic particles and iron is the most stable element to which other tend to go. This is general truth about elements not exlusive to stars.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 17:52, 9 July 2023 (UTC) <br /> ::Given that their designs all very clearly depict them to be made of some kind of metal, the simplest solution is that the name &quot;Iron&quot; was chosen because they all appear to be made of metal, and iron is a type of metal. If we're going to delve into speculation at all, I feel like we should start with the simplest explanation before we start jumping to more obscure connections like star death or subatomic particles, which have very tenuous connections to &quot;iron&quot;. This trivia section is already ridiculously long, so I'm in favor of not including this speculation at all. [[User:Storm Aurora|Storm Aurora]] ([[User talk:Storm Aurora|talk]]) 18:07, 9 July 2023 (UTC)<br /> :::I oppose its inclusion as well. Iron is a very common element and isn't particularly associated with stars. [[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#00d1bc&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#006699&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == let's wait until Past Entei and Future Terrakion. ==<br /> <br /> this is the most likely next paradox pokemon.[[User:Cookie39828|Cookie39828]] ([[User talk:Cookie39828|talk]]) 18:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Paradox Pokémon in the original script. ==<br /> <br /> Hi, I just made an edit and I'd like to explain it because I've seen no one talk about it. I think it should be made even more clear but I imagine people are going to remove the edit without checking what I'm saying, hence this post here. Basically, I've added the notion (and I think it should be reformulated to be even more apparent, because I've only put it as a detail) that Paradox Pokémon ARE from different timelines because the Japanese, original version, says it directly.<br /> <br /> (てんそう) モンスターボールを転送し (つか) (こと) (じかんじく) 異なる時間軸のポケモンを 捕まえて (げんだい) (よ) 現代へと 呼びだすことができる<br /> ''It allows us to send Poké Balls in'' '''different timelines''' ''to catch Pokémon there and call them back to our time.'' <br /> ''(the exact word is &quot;time axis&quot;, which is basically the word for timeline)''<br /> <br /> I've put this text as a source, but you can go look at the original elevator dialogue in the entire context. Basically, in the English version, it does this very awkward thing where it says the machine ''transports Poké Balls to another point in the timeline and brings them back in our time'' and, duh, that's how a time machine works. However, what the Japanese text says instead is that it ''transports Poké Balls to different timelines and brings them back in our time''.<br /> If you want further proof, the Japanese wiki always had this notion, way before the DLC and its source is not Crystal Pool but the elevator scene. Even Japanese posts online about the AI and Paradox Pokémon talk about them being from different timelines.<br /> So basically we just had to wait for the DLC because the localization team was bad at their job, and discovered it now, while for those who read the Japanese text, it's been clear since the start. And the elevator scene acts as a moment of clarification, before and even after, the AI calls them ancient/future Pokémon, but this moment, which is supposed to explain the details of how the machine works and adds nothing in the localized version, comes off in the Japanese text as a more precise explanation : it calls them from other timelines.{{unsigned|Enzoul777}}<br /> <br /> :Time Axis can also be translated as point in time. I also wouldn't immediately assume Paradox Pokemon are just AU Pokemon since in every version of the game, the professor still talks about bringing them from the past/future and all media calls them ancient/future Pokemon. If we were to reach a middle ground, I would say they should be considered &quot;Pokemon brought from the past/future of other timelines&quot;<br /> <br /> Also maybe something has changed or we are looking at different wikis, but [[Pokémon Wiki|Pokemon Wiki]] says they're from different points in time. [[User:JadedArts|JadedArts]] ([[User talk:JadedArts|talk]]) 03:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fossil&diff=4110294 2024-09-13T03:02:06Z

<p>JadedArts: /* Prehistoric Pokémon */</p> <hr /> <div>If it was this easy to clone Pokemon, why didn't Dr. Fuji use it to revive Bulbasaurtwo, Charmandertwo, and Squirtletwo? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 22:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :What!?!? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Lid Fossil name confusion==<br /> <br /> Is it called the Lid fossil or Shell fossil? Because in some places it is called Shell fossil. [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 16:29, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Multi Fossils ==<br /> <br /> Some articles talk about Remoraid fossils, and even Brawl/RBY itself has a stage of a Kabutops fossil. Is this notable to talk about? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 03:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> : *cough* We could make this article much more expansive if we do so. [[User:Ht14|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B69E00&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;'''''ht'''''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Ht14|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E1E1E1&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;''14''&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==HGSS==<br /> Where are fossils revived in Johto? The article doesn't list a location.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 19:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :In HGSS you can revive them at the [[Pewter Museum of Science]]. I guess I should add that to the article... [[User:Zesty Cactus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006400&quot;&gt;'''Zesty'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3CB371&quot;&gt;'''Cactus'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==SHINY FOSSIL==<br /> Is it possible to get shiny fossils because the sprites of Cranidos,Sheildon,Lileep (those guys) have shinys because I want shiny LILEEP!!!!!!!!!!!! [[User:Vulpix 2010|Vulpix 2010]] 10:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Gen V ==<br /> <br /> I dont know how to do it, and im not sure what the bag sprites are, but ive found out that {{p|Aaken}} revives from wing fossil, and puratooga is from an (i dont know yet) unnamed fossil. both found in ancient castle. could someone add it please? i dont know how! thanks!--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 19:11, 5 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :They're called the Feather and Shell/Lid Fossils. I'm waiting for BP's romanization of the Shell/Lid fossil before I put it. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 16:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::We're using Wing and Shell, iirc. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 10:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> It stills unknown because of the translation from japanese to english. In japanese, every character and every word have multiple meanings. Sakas 18:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe<br /> <br /> ==Fossil Pokémon==<br /> Should we have a page specifically on the Pokémon which can be revived from fossils? Said page could include base stat totals, comparisons, whathaveyou. I think there are enough of them now that such a page could be worthwhile. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 01:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Other &quot;living fossils&quot; ==<br /> <br /> What about mentioning other dinosaur like pokemon, like Lapras, Tropius, Aaron/Lairon/Aggron... ? Relicanth is mentioned.<br /> :Relicanth is stated in canon locations, such as the Pokédex and the anime, to be a living fossil. The &quot;dinosaur-like&quot; ones you mentioned aren't. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 04:29, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> what about pokemon like the weather trio, who are supposed to be super ancient? or shellder, which the omastar pokedex entry says it was around in its time? [[User:Arrchec|Arrchec]] 16:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Mew needs a mention, I think it was stated in the anime that Mewtwo was revived from the DNA of a Mew fossil? &lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;[[User:Vuvuzela2010|&lt;span style=&quot;color:black; background-color:yellow&quot;&gt;'''Vuvuzela2010''']]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;[[Pikachu (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:black; background-color:yellow&quot;&gt;'''⚡''']]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ah yes, it was an eyelash in the anime [[User:Arrchec|Arrchec]] 17:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fixing the Page and Gen V fossil question==<br /> <br /> I think the page could use some fixing and make it look like the other items pages (Fancy menu tables rather then a hunk of text). Also are the Gen V fossils Key items or regular items like the other fossils post Gen IV. You only seem to get either one... [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Suggestion ==<br /> Would it be possible to get an image of all the Fossil Pokémon up to [[Generation VI]] together and put it on the top of the page, sorta like the image we had at one point on the [[Eeveelutions]] page? [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 02:04, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Template for Fossil Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> Because Fossil Pokémon each doesn't have a Fossil template, could someone add it to the Fossil Pokémon pages? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:45, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Drake and Fish sprites ==<br /> <br /> The sprites for the drake and fish sprites look reversed. Drake looks like -vish head and Fish looks like Draco- tail. I don't have the game but could someone please confirm these are correct? [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 20:26, 12 December 2019 (UTC)<br /> :Well the Fossilized Drake is definitely a head. I'm having trouble seeing the Fish one though. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:02, 13 December 2019 (UTC)<br /> :I do remember the sprites being reversed last time I checked when I played Sword.--[[User:StuperMarkio|StuperMarkio]] ([[User talk:StuperMarkio|talk]]) 05:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Prehistoric Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> Prehistoric Pokémon seems to be the official term the main series games now use to refer to the Pokémon revived from Fossils. Despite not being in the game, the descriptions for the Old Amber and Fossilized pieces were all updated to replace any mention of &quot;Ancient Pokémon&quot; with Prehistoric, most likely to keep them separate from Ancient Pokémon, which are Paradox Pokémon brought to Paldea by Professor Sada. The term also isn't new, it was used all the way back in the original anime episode title &quot;Attack of the prehistoric Pokémon&quot;. At the very least it should be considered as official of a name as Fossil Pokémon. [[User:JadedArts|JadedArts]] ([[User talk:JadedArts|talk]]) 03:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mythical_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=4110292 2024-09-13T02:59:51Z

<p>JadedArts: /* The Imagined Pokemon in Japanese */</p> <hr /> <div>==An errors==<br /> All the sections should not start with one (1) = and then move upwards but instead start with two (2) == and from there move onto three (3) and four (4) etc. --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:23, 22 January 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Thank you for the information. It should be fixed now. Were there any other errors with the page's layout that you noticed? [[User:Pacack| &lt;span style=&quot;background:#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#ffe700&quot;&gt;'''Pa'''ᗧ•••&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;ᗣ'''ck'''&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;]] 17:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Yes <br /> ::1. Add a see also section as follow:<br /> ::&lt;nowiki&gt;<br /> ==See also==&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> ::* [[Legendary Pokémon]]<br /> ::* [[Event Pokémon]]<br /> ::* [[Special Pokémon]]<br /> ::* {{redlink|Myths and legends involving Legendary Pokémon}}<br /> ::* [[Sinnoh myths]]<br /> ::* [[History of the Pokémon world]]<br /> ::* [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon]] (mayby)<br /> ::2. Mayby adding a average stats template and seperate the Legendary Pokémon template to a Mythical Pokémon template and add that here but that can be done when this has been mainspaced instead perhaps. --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::I'll definitely add a see also section. I'll also add an average stats and &quot;If you were looking for&quot; section. However, those are coming after the bulk of the article is finished.<br /> :::May I ask what you mean by separating the Legendary Pokémon template from the Mythical Pokémon template? [[User:Pacack| &lt;span style=&quot;background:#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#ffe700&quot;&gt;'''Pa'''ᗧ•••&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;ᗣ'''ck'''&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;]] 04:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Is it worth mentioning that PMD's Alakazam considers Lati@s mythical? ==<br /> <br /> https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAADAAADV0aGGv6oMQ<br /> <br /> I will be honest, I still consider mythicals to be legendaries. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:22, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> :The image shows Alakazam saying mythical (lowercase) not Mythical or Mythical Pokémon. The word &quot;mythical&quot; =/= &quot;Mythical Pokémon&quot;, otherwise Arcanine would be a Legendary Pokémon, etc. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 06:36, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, didn't realize capitalization mattered. Sorry. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:37, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Also, Red/Blue Rescue Team are from [[Generation III]], and the English localizations didn't start distinguishing between Legendary and Mythical Pokémon until [[Generation V]]. Anything from before Gen V can't reliably be used to prove things one way or the other. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:51, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::Really? That's good to know, thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:30, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that, if Arceus holding the Mind Plate is counted, every generation has introduced at least one Psychic-Type Mythical Pokemon?--[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 00:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br /> :I wouldn't think so. We don't typically count Arceus as anything but Normal for the purposes of trivia. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Poodle is a dog. ==<br /> <br /> Aren't Mythical Pokemon still Legendary Pokemon? You wouldn't say a poodle isn't a dog. {{unsigned|TsukikoKoizumi}}<br /> :That's not logic. You're completely presuming that Mythicals are Legendary, not &quot;proving&quot; it in any way.<br /> :I'm not entirely familiar enough to tell you why, but it has been our clear policy that Legendaries and Mythicals are separate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:27, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::&quot;Mythical Pokémon [...] are a group of Legendary Pokémon seen so rarely in the Pokémon world that some question their very existence.&quot; --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> Ok, tell me, not counting Phione, who is still debatable as a Mythical Pokemon, how many Mythical Pokemon can you get that have no legend attached to them? The definition I've been given is &quot;Event-only Pokemon&quot;. Personally, I agree with Super goku, that makes the most sense. [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 07:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Legendary&quot; Pokemon are not defined by having a &quot;legend&quot;. Rather simply, only Pokemon that official sources call &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; are Legendary Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::The definition I've been given is &quot;Event-only Pokemon&quot; (which, btw, would include Surfing Pikachu, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree that isn't a Mythical Pokemon.), while the best description of a Legendary Pokemon I've gotten from your site is a Pokemon you can only get once per game cartridge. Well, that definition includes Mythical and Starter Pokemon, so a better explanation would be &quot;A Pokemon that, in-universe, has a legend associated with it&quot;, but that would include Mythical Pokemon, hence why I suggested stating they were a ''class'' of Legendary Pokemon. So, to sum it up, it'd be inaccurate to say they aren't Legendary as well. Personally, I agree with Super goku, that makes the most sense. {{unsigned|TsukikoKoizumi}}<br /> :::The definition of Legendary Pokémon is &quot;a Pokémon that Game Freak has explicitly defined as Legendary,&quot; and likewise for Mythical, period, end of story. Game Freak treats them as non-overlapping classes (note the phraseology is always &quot;Legendary ''and'' Mythical Pokémon&quot;, implying separateness), so we do too. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yes, that. Official sources call certain Pokemon Legendary and certain ones Mythical consistently. It's not up to you or us to conflate them because we think it makes &quot;better sense&quot;. (And &quot;Surfing Pikachu&quot; may be event-exclusive, but ''Pikachu'' is not.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::I hate to interrupt, but I was just quoting the article at the time I saw it and did not notice that it was your edit, TsukikiKoizumi. There is apparently a rule that conversation chains cannot be broken up, so I had to follow Tiddlywinks comment. Either way, I just thought that you were asking a question that was answered by the article, not that I was agreeing with you. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]])<br /> I have an idea, since we can't see eye to eye (Mythical Pokemon have been Legendary Pokemon this whole time. Using a different term to better identify them doesn't change that. Eeveelutions are still evolutions of Eevee), tomorrow, we get Magearna. The Alola Pokedex separates Pokemon based off of Legendary/UB/etc, so surely if Mythical and Legendary are so different, it'll notify us, right? I'll be getting it too, so I can check for myself. If it shows them as completely different beings, I will apologize. Either way, I'll try to get a picture. [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 08:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :If I remember the data leaks correctly, Magearna has the same colored background as Cosmog's line/Necrozma/Zygarde. But please note that [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;diff=2547107&amp;oldid=2547079 per guidance by SnorlaxMonster, who is a staff member], the Pokédex's background colors do not take priority over more explicitly clear definitions by Game Freak, which have unwaveringly treated Legendaries and Mythicals as separate groups. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 08:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::If you register a Mythical Pokémon in your Pokédex, Rotom comments &quot;''Zzzrk?! Wait... Izzz that— Izzz that a Mythical Pokémon?!''&quot;. If you're talking about the [http://imgur.com/a/1xkGy Pokédex backgrounds], Legendary and Mythical Pokémon use the same background in the Pokédex (although it's not like it's stated anywhere that it's exclusively for Legendary Pokémon, it's simply the two sharing something just like how they can be excluded by the same GTS filter). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> Well then that brings forth a conundrum, as that would mean Mythical is just a term being used to identify them more easily. And thus wouldn't make sense if Mythicals eren't also Legendaries. [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 08:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::@SnorlaxMonster: Ah, yes, that's exactly the album I've been looking for but hadn't been able to find! And I didn't realize Rotom would give a specific line for Mythicals. Thanks for pointing both of those out. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 08:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> I actually meant the Rotom Quote. I guess that's kinda confusing then; them sharing the background would make it see Mythicals would be Legendaries. Or at leaest cousins, like how legends are stories with a bit of truth, but myths, while in the sae family as legends, are fabrications with little to no basis in fact. Would that make sense, them being cousins? (To make it a bit easier to think about, it's like Alolan variants. They are the same species, but radically different, maybe?) [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 08:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :They ''were'' one and the same before, but the Legendary/Mythical split was made apparent only by last year when, as the article states, non-japanese media started to follow the japanese media.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]09:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::It wasn't last year, it was much earlier: Generation V. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:22, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :In fact, Mythical Pokémon is a branch of Legendary Pokémon. Otherwise why the movie called Lugia a &quot;Mythical Pokémon&quot;? Why did Pokemon Special manga places them on the equal footing in volume 40? And why Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are called Legendary Pokémon, but Arceus is not since Mythical Pokémon is not Legendary Pokémon? [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Lugia isn't a Mythical Pokémon, so I agree that the Japanese name of [[M02]] is a bit strange, but you bringing this up seems like you're arguing that Legendary Pokémon are the same group as Mythical Pokémon, rather than Mythical Pokémon being a subset of Legendary Pokémon.<br /> ::You'll have to clarify what you mean by placing them on &quot;equal footing&quot; in volume 40, but there's no reason that Legendary and Mythical Pokémon shouldn't be, even as separate groups.<br /> ::There's no conflict between the [[creation trio]] being Legendary and Arceus being Mythical. I don't see what the issue there is at all. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:12, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Mythical Pokémon being a subset of Legendary Pokémon. Yea that's my mean. I think I might have some misnomer. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 11:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> For E9310103838, lookup at the thing about Lati@s, that should clarify that. [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 17:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Legendary as of Gen 7? ==<br /> <br /> Considering the Rotom Pokédex lists Magearna and Marshadow as Legendary Pokémon, would this mean that Mythical Pokémon count as subcategories of Legendaries again? [[User:Nintendocan|Nintendocan]] ([[User talk:Nintendocan|talk]]) 19:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Since when does the Rotom Pokédex list them as Legendary? The quote that comes up when you register them explicitly calls them Mythical Pokémon. If you're referring to them sharing the same colored background, that seems to be simply designating tournament-legal versus tournament-illegal Pokemon. That's the hypothesis that makes the most sense, anyway, since all evidence points to the tapus, Type:Null/Silvally, and the UBs being either Legendary or Mythical. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:35, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New suggestion ==<br /> <br /> Could Phione be considered mythical since we have evolutionary line legendaries.<br /> --[[User:Pokemonfansuper|Pokemonfansuper]] ([[User talk:Pokemonfansuper|talk]]) 13:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> :It was created before the Cosmog line, so no. Also, Phione doesn't even evolve into Manaphy. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Zeraora reveal date ==<br /> <br /> It's a small thing, but this page says Zeraora was revelaed on 8th April, while {{p|Zeraora}} page says 9th April. [https://nintendoeverything.com/zeraora-officially-revealed-as-a-new-pokemon-latest-pokemon-the-movie-everyones-story-trailer/ This page] is from the 8th as well. I am not sure which is correct and which country we're considering (Japan, I assume?) but these should be consistent. ~[[User:KingisNitro|'''KingisNitro''']] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:KingisNitro|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mew sentence needs to be split. ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Its success was mirrored in the west with the eventual release of Pokémon Red and Blue, making Mew a prominent character of the first generation, co-starring in the first animated movie, Mewtwo Strikes Back.&quot; should be &quot;Its success was mirrored in the west with the eventual release of Pokémon Red and Blue. Mew was a prominent character of the first generation, co-starring in the first animated movie, Mewtwo Strikes Back.&quot;<br /> <br /> The first movie was released in Japan two months before the first games came out in &quot;the west&quot;.<br /> <br /> [[User:Satorukun0530|Satorukun0530]] ([[User talk:Satorukun0530|talk]]) 07:05, 11 November 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ho-oh and Lugia ==<br /> <br /> Weren't they considered Mythical Pokémon in FR, LG and Emerald? Shouldn't they be mentioned here? [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 01:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I always have seen them called Legendary Pokemon. [[User:Lava Spire|Lava Spire]] ([[User talk:Lava Spire|talk]]) 01:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::The games themselves treat them as mythical, since they're not required for completing the Pokédex for the Diploma. [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 01:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :True, but the problem is &quot;mythical&quot; and &quot;legendary&quot; aren't well defined and we always have to wait for official sources to name Pokemon with their title, and it just never happened with Ho-Oh and Lugia and the title &quot;mythical&quot;.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;Report To Me&lt;/span&gt;]])''' 12:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deoxys ==<br /> As Mythical Pokémon are classified by being unobtainable in-game without an event, shouldn't Deoxys be reclassified as a Legendary Pokémon and not a Mythical? If this is the case, then Deoxys is the only Mythical Pokémon to later be reclassified as a Legendary. --[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 00:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> : Even if being &quot;demoted to Legendary&quot; was correct (I don't think it is), The Virtual Console version of Pokémon Crystal made Celebi available without an event as well. Does this mean that Celebi doesn't count as a Mythical? [[User:PDL|PDL]] ([[User talk:PDL|talk]]) 04:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> :: We do specify ''With few exceptions'' to be fair too, we don't choose these groups, through various medias and releases, it's TPCi and Nintendo that do it. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 05:42, 6 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Still legendaries==<br /> In this last years I saw a lot people saying mythicals and legendaries are completly different things now, despite we got a lot of sources in the past that still call the mythicals as legendaries, but people simply decided that they are different things despite literally not existing any official sources that state that, probably because someone thinked about a retcon I suppose.<br /> <br /> In any case, in this last months we got the announcment of Pokémon LEGENDS: Arceus, and the title itself is pretty auto-explanatory, and then we got this:<br /> <br /> https://preview.redd.it/8aym1p6u63h71.jpg?width=1600&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=607e22d016456c5e0075940e516f748486c7aa84<br /> <br /> https://preview.redd.it/kam428cu63h71.jpg?width=1600&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=8682ca4119dd74b40ba8fa4cb86219ab548f3d13<br /> <br /> This is clear as the day that Arceus is refered as a legendary instead of a mythical. Not saying he is not a mythical, I'm saying mythicals are STILL legendaries, one thing don't exclude the others. Is like before the release of SM, a lot of people thinked that the UBs was a completly different things from Pokémon and in the end the UBs was just a &quot;sub-group&quot; of Pokémon.<br /> <br /> So... wouldn't make more sense talk about the mythicals in the legendary page too instead that only here? If still was any doubt about mythical still being legendaries, now this don't exist anymore--[[User:Zarxiel94|Zarxiel94]] ([[User talk:Zarxiel94|talk]]) 07:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :In Japanese, the Legendary and Mythical have always been separate groups. For instance, since Generation I, Mew is referred to (in Japanese) as a Mythical Pokémon (幻のポケモン) in the video games, the first movie, the manga Pokémon Adventures, the manga Pocket Monsters etc.<br /> :The English version used to lump both groups together and translate them as &quot;Legendary&quot; before (so that would mean Mew and Mewtwo were both &quot;Legendary&quot; in the translation). But then Legendary / Mythical started to be treated separately in English as well. That is not really a retcon, it's just properly translating from Japanese (although &quot;Illusory Pokémon&quot; would be a closer translation).<br /> :Thanks for these Pokémon Masters screenshots anyway. I also checked the Japanese text in the game, which also says it's about a Legendary Pokémon (伝説のポケモン) from Sinnoh that changes type. So looks like Arceus is really being called a Legendary for once at least. I think this actually looks like a mistake in the game text. This is also a spin-off game so it would probably not affect the [[canon]] as much as core series game. I don't think this is enough to do such a big change like treating Mythical as a subgroup of Legendary. That said, maybe the fact that Arceus was implied to be called a Legendary could be at least mentioned as a trivia point. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 09:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::With ''Pokémon Legends: Arceus'' already being announced at the time, I rather suspect that Masters wanted to make a nod or align with that upcoming game, whose name and trailer already suggest that Arceus will rather be considered a legendary Pokémon there, or at least a Pokémon of the legends. Mew was introduced as a mythical Pokémon in Masters.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> :::I think mythicals are just a sub-category of legendaries... there is literally no source that deny that, and exist a lot of sources that call mythicals as legendaries--[[User:Zarxiel94|Zarxiel94]] ([[User talk:Zarxiel94|talk]]) 21:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::::Zarxiel94 - Are you talking about English or Japanese sources? Are there many Japanese sources using the word &quot;伝説&quot; (Legendary) for Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, etc.? The Pokémon franchise was created in Japan, so we are basically using the Japanese groupings: 伝説 (Legendary) and 幻 (Mythical). English has used the word &quot;Legendary&quot; for both groups together in the past, but it mostly stopped doing that anyway. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 02:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Comprehensive list of still obtainable Mythical Pokemon ==<br /> <br /> My list of obtainable Mythical Pokemon was removed because it's &quot;unnecessary and info in the individual articles&quot;. I disagree with this sentiment as having all the information in one place would be much easier, more convenient, and more concise for readers. Also, much of the information I mentioned within my edit was not information already available on this wiki already, let alone the page it was on. I can understand if it would go at the bottom of the trivia or something, but I would just like to see if it can be re-added or moved somewhere else on the wiki. It's a tool I wish I had when I started Mythical hunting recently after getting back into Pokemon again for the first time in a while. [[User:FenomOO|FenomOO]] ([[User talk:FenomOO|talk]]) 09:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mythicals at Launch ==<br /> I'm pretty sure this Trivia point needs to be adjusted: &quot;Generation VIII is the only generation in which a new Mythical Pokémon was not present in the debut core series games' data at launch&quot; since there still isn't a Generation IX mythical as of version 1.1.0 of Scarlet and Violet. I'm surprised that wasn't edited when the article was on Nov 24. {{Unsigned|Aeiouna}}<br /> :Removed. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 11:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Spelling? ==<br /> <br /> Is there seemingly any rhyme or reason as to when they decide to use Forme with an e and simply Form without the e? --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 00:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> :Its the offical name the Pokemon Company has choosen for certain forms. Its offical.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 00:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> That's not the question. What I'm asking is if it's known why they fluctuate between Forme with the e and Form without the e --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 01:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why are all Mythical Pokémon gender unknown? ==<br /> <br /> I just don't get why all Mythical Pokémon are gender unknown, including Meloetta and Hoopa, which have clearly feminine and masculine designs. Why'd Game Freak do this? --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 20:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> :Feminine or masculine design does not automatically equal a certain gender. For example, we have feminine and masculine first partner Pokémon too, but they all have a chance to be either gender. And in the BE anime, there was a feminine Purrloin that turned out to be male. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> What is the logic of Game Freak from a design perspective for not gendering them? I can't think of any logical reason why they decided it, but they did. --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 20:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> :This discussions seems more appropriate for the forums. Why Game Freak do the things they do is not something that needs to be discussed here.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F34134&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F7837B&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8334B7&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AE7BD0&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The Imagined Pokemon in Japanese ==<br /> <br /> In Japanese, the Imagined Pokemon in the Scarlet/Violet book is specifically imagined as a Mythical Pokemon (using the exact katakana) so I think it would be an interesting thing to mention in the trivia section. &quot;観測隊員 スケッチ担当が 描いた '''幻のポケモン'''。 エリアゼロ 中層部以降に 生息する 謎のポケモンたちは あまりに 大きく 凶暴である。 彼らの その特徴を ベースに エリアゼロに '''幻のポケモン'''が いるなら どういう見た目かと 想像しながら 描いたそうだ。&quot; &quot;A mythical Pokemon drawn by an observation team member in charge of sketching. The mysterious Pokemon that live in the middle part of Area Zero and beyond are extremely large and ferocious. He said he drew them based on their characteristics, imagining what they would look like if there were mythical Pokemon in Area Zero.&quot; Taken directly from the Scarlet Book. [[User:JadedArts|JadedArts]] ([[User talk:JadedArts|talk]]) 02:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mythical_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=4110287 2024-09-13T02:57:45Z

<p>JadedArts: /* The Imagined Pokemon in Japanese */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==An errors==<br /> All the sections should not start with one (1) = and then move upwards but instead start with two (2) == and from there move onto three (3) and four (4) etc. --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:23, 22 January 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Thank you for the information. It should be fixed now. Were there any other errors with the page's layout that you noticed? [[User:Pacack| &lt;span style=&quot;background:#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#ffe700&quot;&gt;'''Pa'''ᗧ•••&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;ᗣ'''ck'''&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;]] 17:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Yes <br /> ::1. Add a see also section as follow:<br /> ::&lt;nowiki&gt;<br /> ==See also==&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> ::* [[Legendary Pokémon]]<br /> ::* [[Event Pokémon]]<br /> ::* [[Special Pokémon]]<br /> ::* {{redlink|Myths and legends involving Legendary Pokémon}}<br /> ::* [[Sinnoh myths]]<br /> ::* [[History of the Pokémon world]]<br /> ::* [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon]] (mayby)<br /> ::2. Mayby adding a average stats template and seperate the Legendary Pokémon template to a Mythical Pokémon template and add that here but that can be done when this has been mainspaced instead perhaps. --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::I'll definitely add a see also section. I'll also add an average stats and &quot;If you were looking for&quot; section. However, those are coming after the bulk of the article is finished.<br /> :::May I ask what you mean by separating the Legendary Pokémon template from the Mythical Pokémon template? [[User:Pacack| &lt;span style=&quot;background:#000000&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#ffe700&quot;&gt;'''Pa'''ᗧ•••&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;ᗣ'''ck'''&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;]] 04:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Is it worth mentioning that PMD's Alakazam considers Lati@s mythical? ==<br /> <br /> https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAADAAADV0aGGv6oMQ<br /> <br /> I will be honest, I still consider mythicals to be legendaries. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:22, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> :The image shows Alakazam saying mythical (lowercase) not Mythical or Mythical Pokémon. The word &quot;mythical&quot; =/= &quot;Mythical Pokémon&quot;, otherwise Arcanine would be a Legendary Pokémon, etc. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 06:36, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, didn't realize capitalization mattered. Sorry. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:37, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Also, Red/Blue Rescue Team are from [[Generation III]], and the English localizations didn't start distinguishing between Legendary and Mythical Pokémon until [[Generation V]]. Anything from before Gen V can't reliably be used to prove things one way or the other. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:51, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::Really? That's good to know, thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:30, 11 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that, if Arceus holding the Mind Plate is counted, every generation has introduced at least one Psychic-Type Mythical Pokemon?--[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 00:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br /> :I wouldn't think so. We don't typically count Arceus as anything but Normal for the purposes of trivia. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Poodle is a dog. ==<br /> <br /> Aren't Mythical Pokemon still Legendary Pokemon? You wouldn't say a poodle isn't a dog. {{unsigned|TsukikoKoizumi}}<br /> :That's not logic. You're completely presuming that Mythicals are Legendary, not &quot;proving&quot; it in any way.<br /> :I'm not entirely familiar enough to tell you why, but it has been our clear policy that Legendaries and Mythicals are separate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:27, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::&quot;Mythical Pokémon [...] are a group of Legendary Pokémon seen so rarely in the Pokémon world that some question their very existence.&quot; --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> Ok, tell me, not counting Phione, who is still debatable as a Mythical Pokemon, how many Mythical Pokemon can you get that have no legend attached to them? The definition I've been given is &quot;Event-only Pokemon&quot;. Personally, I agree with Super goku, that makes the most sense. [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 07:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Legendary&quot; Pokemon are not defined by having a &quot;legend&quot;. Rather simply, only Pokemon that official sources call &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; are Legendary Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::The definition I've been given is &quot;Event-only Pokemon&quot; (which, btw, would include Surfing Pikachu, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree that isn't a Mythical Pokemon.), while the best description of a Legendary Pokemon I've gotten from your site is a Pokemon you can only get once per game cartridge. Well, that definition includes Mythical and Starter Pokemon, so a better explanation would be &quot;A Pokemon that, in-universe, has a legend associated with it&quot;, but that would include Mythical Pokemon, hence why I suggested stating they were a ''class'' of Legendary Pokemon. So, to sum it up, it'd be inaccurate to say they aren't Legendary as well. Personally, I agree with Super goku, that makes the most sense. {{unsigned|TsukikoKoizumi}}<br /> :::The definition of Legendary Pokémon is &quot;a Pokémon that Game Freak has explicitly defined as Legendary,&quot; and likewise for Mythical, period, end of story. Game Freak treats them as non-overlapping classes (note the phraseology is always &quot;Legendary ''and'' Mythical Pokémon&quot;, implying separateness), so we do too. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yes, that. Official sources call certain Pokemon Legendary and certain ones Mythical consistently. It's not up to you or us to conflate them because we think it makes &quot;better sense&quot;. (And &quot;Surfing Pikachu&quot; may be event-exclusive, but ''Pikachu'' is not.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::I hate to interrupt, but I was just quoting the article at the time I saw it and did not notice that it was your edit, TsukikiKoizumi. There is apparently a rule that conversation chains cannot be broken up, so I had to follow Tiddlywinks comment. Either way, I just thought that you were asking a question that was answered by the article, not that I was agreeing with you. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]])<br /> I have an idea, since we can't see eye to eye (Mythical Pokemon have been Legendary Pokemon this whole time. Using a different term to better identify them doesn't change that. Eeveelutions are still evolutions of Eevee), tomorrow, we get Magearna. The Alola Pokedex separates Pokemon based off of Legendary/UB/etc, so surely if Mythical and Legendary are so different, it'll notify us, right? I'll be getting it too, so I can check for myself. If it shows them as completely different beings, I will apologize. Either way, I'll try to get a picture. [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 08:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :If I remember the data leaks correctly, Magearna has the same colored background as Cosmog's line/Necrozma/Zygarde. But please note that [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;diff=2547107&amp;oldid=2547079 per guidance by SnorlaxMonster, who is a staff member], the Pokédex's background colors do not take priority over more explicitly clear definitions by Game Freak, which have unwaveringly treated Legendaries and Mythicals as separate groups. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 08:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::If you register a Mythical Pokémon in your Pokédex, Rotom comments &quot;''Zzzrk?! Wait... Izzz that— Izzz that a Mythical Pokémon?!''&quot;. If you're talking about the [http://imgur.com/a/1xkGy Pokédex backgrounds], Legendary and Mythical Pokémon use the same background in the Pokédex (although it's not like it's stated anywhere that it's exclusively for Legendary Pokémon, it's simply the two sharing something just like how they can be excluded by the same GTS filter). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> Well then that brings forth a conundrum, as that would mean Mythical is just a term being used to identify them more easily. And thus wouldn't make sense if Mythicals eren't also Legendaries. [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 08:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::@SnorlaxMonster: Ah, yes, that's exactly the album I've been looking for but hadn't been able to find! And I didn't realize Rotom would give a specific line for Mythicals. Thanks for pointing both of those out. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 08:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> I actually meant the Rotom Quote. I guess that's kinda confusing then; them sharing the background would make it see Mythicals would be Legendaries. Or at leaest cousins, like how legends are stories with a bit of truth, but myths, while in the sae family as legends, are fabrications with little to no basis in fact. Would that make sense, them being cousins? (To make it a bit easier to think about, it's like Alolan variants. They are the same species, but radically different, maybe?) [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 08:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :They ''were'' one and the same before, but the Legendary/Mythical split was made apparent only by last year when, as the article states, non-japanese media started to follow the japanese media.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]09:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::It wasn't last year, it was much earlier: Generation V. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:22, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :In fact, Mythical Pokémon is a branch of Legendary Pokémon. Otherwise why the movie called Lugia a &quot;Mythical Pokémon&quot;? Why did Pokemon Special manga places them on the equal footing in volume 40? And why Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are called Legendary Pokémon, but Arceus is not since Mythical Pokémon is not Legendary Pokémon? [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Lugia isn't a Mythical Pokémon, so I agree that the Japanese name of [[M02]] is a bit strange, but you bringing this up seems like you're arguing that Legendary Pokémon are the same group as Mythical Pokémon, rather than Mythical Pokémon being a subset of Legendary Pokémon.<br /> ::You'll have to clarify what you mean by placing them on &quot;equal footing&quot; in volume 40, but there's no reason that Legendary and Mythical Pokémon shouldn't be, even as separate groups.<br /> ::There's no conflict between the [[creation trio]] being Legendary and Arceus being Mythical. I don't see what the issue there is at all. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:12, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Mythical Pokémon being a subset of Legendary Pokémon. Yea that's my mean. I think I might have some misnomer. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 11:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> For E9310103838, lookup at the thing about Lati@s, that should clarify that. [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 17:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Legendary as of Gen 7? ==<br /> <br /> Considering the Rotom Pokédex lists Magearna and Marshadow as Legendary Pokémon, would this mean that Mythical Pokémon count as subcategories of Legendaries again? [[User:Nintendocan|Nintendocan]] ([[User talk:Nintendocan|talk]]) 19:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Since when does the Rotom Pokédex list them as Legendary? The quote that comes up when you register them explicitly calls them Mythical Pokémon. If you're referring to them sharing the same colored background, that seems to be simply designating tournament-legal versus tournament-illegal Pokemon. That's the hypothesis that makes the most sense, anyway, since all evidence points to the tapus, Type:Null/Silvally, and the UBs being either Legendary or Mythical. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:35, 27 December 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New suggestion ==<br /> <br /> Could Phione be considered mythical since we have evolutionary line legendaries.<br /> --[[User:Pokemonfansuper|Pokemonfansuper]] ([[User talk:Pokemonfansuper|talk]]) 13:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> :It was created before the Cosmog line, so no. Also, Phione doesn't even evolve into Manaphy. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Zeraora reveal date ==<br /> <br /> It's a small thing, but this page says Zeraora was revelaed on 8th April, while {{p|Zeraora}} page says 9th April. [https://nintendoeverything.com/zeraora-officially-revealed-as-a-new-pokemon-latest-pokemon-the-movie-everyones-story-trailer/ This page] is from the 8th as well. I am not sure which is correct and which country we're considering (Japan, I assume?) but these should be consistent. ~[[User:KingisNitro|'''KingisNitro''']] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:KingisNitro|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mew sentence needs to be split. ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Its success was mirrored in the west with the eventual release of Pokémon Red and Blue, making Mew a prominent character of the first generation, co-starring in the first animated movie, Mewtwo Strikes Back.&quot; should be &quot;Its success was mirrored in the west with the eventual release of Pokémon Red and Blue. Mew was a prominent character of the first generation, co-starring in the first animated movie, Mewtwo Strikes Back.&quot;<br /> <br /> The first movie was released in Japan two months before the first games came out in &quot;the west&quot;.<br /> <br /> [[User:Satorukun0530|Satorukun0530]] ([[User talk:Satorukun0530|talk]]) 07:05, 11 November 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ho-oh and Lugia ==<br /> <br /> Weren't they considered Mythical Pokémon in FR, LG and Emerald? Shouldn't they be mentioned here? [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 01:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I always have seen them called Legendary Pokemon. [[User:Lava Spire|Lava Spire]] ([[User talk:Lava Spire|talk]]) 01:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::The games themselves treat them as mythical, since they're not required for completing the Pokédex for the Diploma. [[User:Golden Trainer|Golden Trainer]] ([[User talk:Golden Trainer|talk]]) 01:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :True, but the problem is &quot;mythical&quot; and &quot;legendary&quot; aren't well defined and we always have to wait for official sources to name Pokemon with their title, and it just never happened with Ho-Oh and Lugia and the title &quot;mythical&quot;.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC0000&quot;&gt;Rocket&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#666666&quot;&gt;Grunt&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;Report To Me&lt;/span&gt;]])''' 12:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deoxys ==<br /> As Mythical Pokémon are classified by being unobtainable in-game without an event, shouldn't Deoxys be reclassified as a Legendary Pokémon and not a Mythical? If this is the case, then Deoxys is the only Mythical Pokémon to later be reclassified as a Legendary. --[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 00:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> : Even if being &quot;demoted to Legendary&quot; was correct (I don't think it is), The Virtual Console version of Pokémon Crystal made Celebi available without an event as well. Does this mean that Celebi doesn't count as a Mythical? [[User:PDL|PDL]] ([[User talk:PDL|talk]]) 04:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> :: We do specify ''With few exceptions'' to be fair too, we don't choose these groups, through various medias and releases, it's TPCi and Nintendo that do it. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 05:42, 6 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Still legendaries==<br /> In this last years I saw a lot people saying mythicals and legendaries are completly different things now, despite we got a lot of sources in the past that still call the mythicals as legendaries, but people simply decided that they are different things despite literally not existing any official sources that state that, probably because someone thinked about a retcon I suppose.<br /> <br /> In any case, in this last months we got the announcment of Pokémon LEGENDS: Arceus, and the title itself is pretty auto-explanatory, and then we got this:<br /> <br /> https://preview.redd.it/8aym1p6u63h71.jpg?width=1600&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=607e22d016456c5e0075940e516f748486c7aa84<br /> <br /> https://preview.redd.it/kam428cu63h71.jpg?width=1600&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=8682ca4119dd74b40ba8fa4cb86219ab548f3d13<br /> <br /> This is clear as the day that Arceus is refered as a legendary instead of a mythical. Not saying he is not a mythical, I'm saying mythicals are STILL legendaries, one thing don't exclude the others. Is like before the release of SM, a lot of people thinked that the UBs was a completly different things from Pokémon and in the end the UBs was just a &quot;sub-group&quot; of Pokémon.<br /> <br /> So... wouldn't make more sense talk about the mythicals in the legendary page too instead that only here? If still was any doubt about mythical still being legendaries, now this don't exist anymore--[[User:Zarxiel94|Zarxiel94]] ([[User talk:Zarxiel94|talk]]) 07:23, 14 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :In Japanese, the Legendary and Mythical have always been separate groups. For instance, since Generation I, Mew is referred to (in Japanese) as a Mythical Pokémon (幻のポケモン) in the video games, the first movie, the manga Pokémon Adventures, the manga Pocket Monsters etc.<br /> :The English version used to lump both groups together and translate them as &quot;Legendary&quot; before (so that would mean Mew and Mewtwo were both &quot;Legendary&quot; in the translation). But then Legendary / Mythical started to be treated separately in English as well. That is not really a retcon, it's just properly translating from Japanese (although &quot;Illusory Pokémon&quot; would be a closer translation).<br /> :Thanks for these Pokémon Masters screenshots anyway. I also checked the Japanese text in the game, which also says it's about a Legendary Pokémon (伝説のポケモン) from Sinnoh that changes type. So looks like Arceus is really being called a Legendary for once at least. I think this actually looks like a mistake in the game text. This is also a spin-off game so it would probably not affect the [[canon]] as much as core series game. I don't think this is enough to do such a big change like treating Mythical as a subgroup of Legendary. That said, maybe the fact that Arceus was implied to be called a Legendary could be at least mentioned as a trivia point. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 09:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::With ''Pokémon Legends: Arceus'' already being announced at the time, I rather suspect that Masters wanted to make a nod or align with that upcoming game, whose name and trailer already suggest that Arceus will rather be considered a legendary Pokémon there, or at least a Pokémon of the legends. Mew was introduced as a mythical Pokémon in Masters.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> :::I think mythicals are just a sub-category of legendaries... there is literally no source that deny that, and exist a lot of sources that call mythicals as legendaries--[[User:Zarxiel94|Zarxiel94]] ([[User talk:Zarxiel94|talk]]) 21:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::::Zarxiel94 - Are you talking about English or Japanese sources? Are there many Japanese sources using the word &quot;伝説&quot; (Legendary) for Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, etc.? The Pokémon franchise was created in Japan, so we are basically using the Japanese groupings: 伝説 (Legendary) and 幻 (Mythical). English has used the word &quot;Legendary&quot; for both groups together in the past, but it mostly stopped doing that anyway. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 02:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Comprehensive list of still obtainable Mythical Pokemon ==<br /> <br /> My list of obtainable Mythical Pokemon was removed because it's &quot;unnecessary and info in the individual articles&quot;. I disagree with this sentiment as having all the information in one place would be much easier, more convenient, and more concise for readers. Also, much of the information I mentioned within my edit was not information already available on this wiki already, let alone the page it was on. I can understand if it would go at the bottom of the trivia or something, but I would just like to see if it can be re-added or moved somewhere else on the wiki. It's a tool I wish I had when I started Mythical hunting recently after getting back into Pokemon again for the first time in a while. [[User:FenomOO|FenomOO]] ([[User talk:FenomOO|talk]]) 09:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mythicals at Launch ==<br /> I'm pretty sure this Trivia point needs to be adjusted: &quot;Generation VIII is the only generation in which a new Mythical Pokémon was not present in the debut core series games' data at launch&quot; since there still isn't a Generation IX mythical as of version 1.1.0 of Scarlet and Violet. I'm surprised that wasn't edited when the article was on Nov 24. {{Unsigned|Aeiouna}}<br /> :Removed. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 11:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Spelling? ==<br /> <br /> Is there seemingly any rhyme or reason as to when they decide to use Forme with an e and simply Form without the e? --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 00:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> :Its the offical name the Pokemon Company has choosen for certain forms. Its offical.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob9594 ]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 00:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> That's not the question. What I'm asking is if it's known why they fluctuate between Forme with the e and Form without the e --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 01:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why are all Mythical Pokémon gender unknown? ==<br /> <br /> I just don't get why all Mythical Pokémon are gender unknown, including Meloetta and Hoopa, which have clearly feminine and masculine designs. Why'd Game Freak do this? --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 20:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> :Feminine or masculine design does not automatically equal a certain gender. For example, we have feminine and masculine first partner Pokémon too, but they all have a chance to be either gender. And in the BE anime, there was a feminine Purrloin that turned out to be male. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> What is the logic of Game Freak from a design perspective for not gendering them? I can't think of any logical reason why they decided it, but they did. --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 20:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)<br /> :This discussions seems more appropriate for the forums. Why Game Freak do the things they do is not something that needs to be discussed here.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F34134&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F7837B&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8334B7&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AE7BD0&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The Imagined Pokemon in Japanese ==<br /> <br /> In Japanese, the Imagined Pokemon in the Scarlet/Violet book is specifically imagined as a Mythical Pokemon (using the exact katakana) so I think it would be an interesting thing to mention in the trivia section. &quot;観測隊員 スケッチ担当が 描いた '''幻のポケモン'''。 エリアゼロ 中層部以降に 生息する 謎のポケモンたちは あまりに 大きく 凶暴である。 彼らの その特徴を ベースに エリアゼロに '''幻のポケモン'''が いるなら どういう見た目かと 想像しながら 描いたそうだ。&quot; &quot;A mythical Pokemon drawn by an observation team member in charge of sketching. The mysterious Pokemon that live in the middle part of Area Zero and beyond are extremely large and ferocious. He said he drew them based on their characteristics, imagining what they would look like if there were mythical Pokemon in Area Zero.&quot; Taken directly from the Scarlet Book.</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ogerpon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=4110141 2024-09-12T20:39:17Z

<p>JadedArts: /* Terastal Ogerpon Appearance */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==Oni Wikipedia link issue==<br /> Just noting the spelling of ''oni'' is incorrect in the article (spelled incorrectly as &quot;ōni&quot;). As such, the article links to a Wikipedia article on a specific yōkai from Hyakkai Zukan instead of the broader article on oni<br /> [[User:ClodsireLoudbone|ClodsireLoudbone]] ([[User talk:ClodsireLoudbone|talk]]) 22:31, 27 February 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I've updated the article accordingly. It should link correctly now. [[User:Kauli|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00A29B&quot;&gt;Kᴀᴜʟɪ&lt;/span&gt;]] ⸞[[Special:NewSection/User talk:Kauli|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F1BA00&quot;&gt;Nᴇᴡ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:Kauli|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95ABC4&quot;&gt;Tᴀʟᴋ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;]]⸟ 22:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ogerpon's type ==<br /> Ogerpon's s'posed to be Ghost/Grass. Anyone looked into that? [[User:Thwackeyrabootdrizzile|Thwackeyrabootdrizzile]] ([[User talk:Thwackeyrabootdrizzile|talk]]) 06:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)<br /> :Nope, pure Grass. Pretty sure it being Ghost was a fakeout by some leaker or whoever. Source: [https://twitter.com/pokemon_saishin/status/1701798699733794928 this screenshot] (spoilers!) [[User:Anzasquiddles|'''&lt;span style=&quot;background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#4488FC,#7038F8,#A040A0);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;&quot;&gt;Anzasquiddles&lt;/span&gt;''']] &lt;small&gt;2222(:D)SSSS&lt;/small&gt; ([[User_talk:Anzasquiddles|talk page]]) 09:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Origin ==<br /> <br /> &quot;May be based on oni&quot;<br /> <br /> What do you mean &quot;may be&quot;? The game straightup calls her an ogre/oni. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 06:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)<br /> :Force of habit, i suppose. The Japanese game texts do straight up call Ogerpon an 鬼 oni, so i think it's safe to just put that in the origin. [[User:Anzasquiddles|'''&lt;span style=&quot;background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left,#4488FC,#7038F8,#A040A0);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;&quot;&gt;Anzasquiddles&lt;/span&gt;''']] &lt;small&gt;2222(:D)SSSS&lt;/small&gt; ([[User_talk:Anzasquiddles|talk page]]) 08:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Kidoairaku==<br /> an interesting fact i haven't seen anyone bring up yet is that ogerpon's four masks can be tied to the phrase 喜怒哀楽 (kidoairaku). it's a yojijukugo expression that is literally the kanji for &quot;joy, anger, sadness, pleasure&quot; but in practice is used to refer to human emotions (or at least the four &quot;main&quot; ones) [https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%96%9C%E6%80%92%E5%93%80%E6%A5%BD (japanese wiktionary entry)], [https://jisho.org/word/%E5%96%9C%E6%80%92%E5%93%80%E6%A5%BD (jisho.org entry)]. ariga, ogerpon's designer, in his [https://twitter.com/ariga_megamix/status/1750538856590696596 confirmation tweet] shares art of ogerpon wearing each of the four masks, as well as a separate pose of ogerpon with the mask off, with her mimicking the expression on the mask. the order is teal (happy), hearthflame (angry), wellspring (sad), and cornerstone (amused), which follows the order of the expression (imo &quot;joy&quot; and &quot;pleasure&quot; are like... largely the same but &quot;anger&quot; and &quot;sadness&quot; being in the order they are is a dead ringer). i'm putting this here because i wasn't sure how to word this in ogerpon's article itself without stumbling over my words, so i'd appreciate it if someone could add this trivia in a more concise manner in my place ^_^ [[User:Amitie|Amitie]] ([[User talk:Amitie|talk]]) 01:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> edit: ah. i see it's already in the origin section. that's my bad then. still i feel like the text in that section could be... more palatable? it's a big wall of text where kidoairaku is only a small part in a long paragraph where it might make sense to start adding line breaks {{unsigned|Amitie}}<br /> <br /> == Is Ogerpon really Legendary? ==<br /> <br /> Ogerpon's base stat total is only 550, far lower than most other Legendary Pokémon. Is it really even a Legendary? --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 21:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)<br /> :Yes its a Legendary, see [https://scarletviolet.pokemon.com/en-us/news/ogerpon/ here] [[User:Minibug|Minibug]] ([[User talk:Minibug|talk]]) 21:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)<br /> Is the qualification of Legendary based purely on what the Pokémon company says, and not the stats? --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 21:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)<br /> :Yes. They are the ones making the games (technically it's Game Freak, but you get what I mean).--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F34134&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F7837B&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8334B7&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AE7BD0&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)<br /> In that case, why isn't Arcanine on the Legendary Pokémon page? The Pokédex literally calls it the Legendary Pokémon. --[[User:CuteShaymin|CuteShaymin]] ([[User talk:CuteShaymin|talk]]) 05:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)<br /> :Because Arcanine is not referred to as Legendary outside of it being categorised as &quot;Legendary&quot; (and isn't a legendary, period). And being categorised as such in the dex doesn't really mean anything.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F34134&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F7837B&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8334B7&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AE7BD0&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Terastal Ogerpon Appearance ==<br /> <br /> When Ogerpon terastalizes, a small silhouette of the original mask is placed inside the much larger tera jewel mask on the back within her eye line. The eyes also glow Green, Blue, Red, or Gray when Ogerpon uses a move with a Tera boost.</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fossil&diff=4110137 2024-09-12T20:17:28Z

<p>JadedArts: /* Prehistoric Pokémon */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>If it was this easy to clone Pokemon, why didn't Dr. Fuji use it to revive Bulbasaurtwo, Charmandertwo, and Squirtletwo? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 22:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :What!?!? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Lid Fossil name confusion==<br /> <br /> Is it called the Lid fossil or Shell fossil? Because in some places it is called Shell fossil. [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 16:29, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Multi Fossils ==<br /> <br /> Some articles talk about Remoraid fossils, and even Brawl/RBY itself has a stage of a Kabutops fossil. Is this notable to talk about? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 03:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> : *cough* We could make this article much more expansive if we do so. [[User:Ht14|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B69E00&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;'''''ht'''''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Ht14|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E1E1E1&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;''14''&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==HGSS==<br /> Where are fossils revived in Johto? The article doesn't list a location.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 19:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :In HGSS you can revive them at the [[Pewter Museum of Science]]. I guess I should add that to the article... [[User:Zesty Cactus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006400&quot;&gt;'''Zesty'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3CB371&quot;&gt;'''Cactus'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==SHINY FOSSIL==<br /> Is it possible to get shiny fossils because the sprites of Cranidos,Sheildon,Lileep (those guys) have shinys because I want shiny LILEEP!!!!!!!!!!!! [[User:Vulpix 2010|Vulpix 2010]] 10:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Gen V ==<br /> <br /> I dont know how to do it, and im not sure what the bag sprites are, but ive found out that {{p|Aaken}} revives from wing fossil, and puratooga is from an (i dont know yet) unnamed fossil. both found in ancient castle. could someone add it please? i dont know how! thanks!--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 19:11, 5 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :They're called the Feather and Shell/Lid Fossils. I'm waiting for BP's romanization of the Shell/Lid fossil before I put it. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 16:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::We're using Wing and Shell, iirc. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 10:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> It stills unknown because of the translation from japanese to english. In japanese, every character and every word have multiple meanings. Sakas 18:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe<br /> <br /> ==Fossil Pokémon==<br /> Should we have a page specifically on the Pokémon which can be revived from fossils? Said page could include base stat totals, comparisons, whathaveyou. I think there are enough of them now that such a page could be worthwhile. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 01:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Other &quot;living fossils&quot; ==<br /> <br /> What about mentioning other dinosaur like pokemon, like Lapras, Tropius, Aaron/Lairon/Aggron... ? Relicanth is mentioned.<br /> :Relicanth is stated in canon locations, such as the Pokédex and the anime, to be a living fossil. The &quot;dinosaur-like&quot; ones you mentioned aren't. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 04:29, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> what about pokemon like the weather trio, who are supposed to be super ancient? or shellder, which the omastar pokedex entry says it was around in its time? [[User:Arrchec|Arrchec]] 16:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Mew needs a mention, I think it was stated in the anime that Mewtwo was revived from the DNA of a Mew fossil? &lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;[[User:Vuvuzela2010|&lt;span style=&quot;color:black; background-color:yellow&quot;&gt;'''Vuvuzela2010''']]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;[[Pikachu (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:black; background-color:yellow&quot;&gt;'''⚡''']]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ah yes, it was an eyelash in the anime [[User:Arrchec|Arrchec]] 17:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fixing the Page and Gen V fossil question==<br /> <br /> I think the page could use some fixing and make it look like the other items pages (Fancy menu tables rather then a hunk of text). Also are the Gen V fossils Key items or regular items like the other fossils post Gen IV. You only seem to get either one... [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Suggestion ==<br /> Would it be possible to get an image of all the Fossil Pokémon up to [[Generation VI]] together and put it on the top of the page, sorta like the image we had at one point on the [[Eeveelutions]] page? [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 02:04, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Template for Fossil Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> Because Fossil Pokémon each doesn't have a Fossil template, could someone add it to the Fossil Pokémon pages? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:45, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Drake and Fish sprites ==<br /> <br /> The sprites for the drake and fish sprites look reversed. Drake looks like -vish head and Fish looks like Draco- tail. I don't have the game but could someone please confirm these are correct? [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 20:26, 12 December 2019 (UTC)<br /> :Well the Fossilized Drake is definitely a head. I'm having trouble seeing the Fish one though. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:02, 13 December 2019 (UTC)<br /> :I do remember the sprites being reversed last time I checked when I played Sword.--[[User:StuperMarkio|StuperMarkio]] ([[User talk:StuperMarkio|talk]]) 05:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Prehistoric Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> Prehistoric Pokémon seems to be the official term the main series games now use to refer to the Pokémon revived from Fossils. Despite not being in the game, the descriptions for the Old Amber and Fossilized pieces were all updated to replace any mention of &quot;Ancient Pokémon&quot; with Prehistoric, most likely to keep them separate from Ancient Pokémon, which are Paradox Pokémon brought to Paldea by Professor Sada. The term also isn't new, it was used all the way back in the original anime episode title &quot;Attack of the prehistoric Pokémon&quot;. At the very least it should be considered as official of a name as Fossil Pokémon.</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Iron_Moth_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=4110131 2024-09-12T20:03:10Z

<p>JadedArts: /* Origin */</p> <hr /> <div>{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Fire|type2=Poison}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/GO|species=Iron Moth}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Fire|prevnum=0993|prev=Iron Jugulis|nextnum=0995|next=Iron Thorns|roundleft=bl|roundright=br}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Pokémon Infobox<br /> |name=Iron Moth<br /> |jname=テツノドクガ<br /> |tmname=Tetsunodokuga<br /> |ndex=0994<br /> |type1=Fire<br /> |type2=Poison<br /> |category=Paradox<br /> |height-ftin=3'11&quot;<br /> |height-m=1.2<br /> |weight-lbs=79.4<br /> |weight-kg=36.0<br /> |abilitylayout=1<br /> |ability1=Quark Drive<br /> |ability2=<br /> |abilityd=<br /> |egggroupn=1<br /> |egggroup1=No Eggs Discovered<br /> |egggroup2=<br /> |eggcycles=50<br /> |evtotal=3<br /> |evhp=0<br /> |evat=0<br /> |evde=0<br /> |evsa=3<br /> |evsd=0<br /> |evsp=0<br /> |expyield=285<br /> |lv100exp=1250000<br /> |gendercode=255<br /> |color=White<br /> |catchrate=30<br /> |body=13<br /> |pokefordex=iron-moth<br /> |generation=9<br /> |friendship=0<br /> }}<br /> '''Iron Moth''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''テツノドクガ''' ''Tetsunodokuga'') is a dual-type {{2t|Fire|Poison}} [[Paradox Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation IX]].<br /> <br /> It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.<br /> <br /> It is said to be a future relative of {{p|Volcarona}}. It also has an ancient counterpart, {{p|Slither Wing}}.<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> [[File:IronMothParadoxRift28.jpg|thumb|200px|left|Iron Moth firing its &quot;legs&quot;]]<br /> Iron Moth is very similar to Volcarona in appearance, resembling a robotic moth. It has four small &quot;feet&quot;, red compound eyes, red horns on the sides of its head, and white armor plating covering its thorax. Its abdomen is black and light blue with two black diamond spots on the outside. It has six diamond-shaped wings that are mostly orange with white speckles and a single black triangle marking, which levitate a short distance away from its body. <br /> [[File:Ironmothcanon.png|thumb|200px|left|Iron Moth's &quot;wings&quot; forming into a sun-shaped cannon<br /> <br /> ]]<br /> In an article from an August issue of {{DL|Magazines in the Pokémon world|Occulture}} magazine, it is said that the name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the [[Violet Book]]. Iron Moth is said to resemble {{p|Volcarona}}, and it would descend from the skies, following people around and occasionally attacking them. Some point to Iron Moth's aggression as evidence supporting that it may be a UFO controlled by alien life. It is speculated that something out there may be using Iron Moth to observe the people of the [[Pokémon world]] in preparation for an invasion. In the [[TCG]], it was shown to be capable of sending its &quot;legs&quot; flying by themselves independently of its body. It has been seen releasing attacks from its six connected wings similarly to a cannon. When it falls asleep, it turns itself off, connecting its wings to its back and causing the orange energy on its wings to turn black.<br /> <br /> According to [[Professor Turo|AI Turo]], Iron Moth is a future Pokémon related to Volcarona. However, according to a Turo brought to the [[Crystal Pool]] by {{p|Terapagos}}, Iron Moth is a counterpart of Volcarona from another timeline. Its true origin is unknown. Iron Moth were brought to the depths of [[Area Zero]] by a [[time machine]] built by Professor Turo ten years ago.<br /> <br /> Iron Moth and its present day relative Volcarona, are the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] capable of learning the move {{m|Fiery Dance}}.<br /> {{left clear}}<br /> <br /> ==Game data==<br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Dex/Header|type=Fire|type2=Poison}}<br /> {{Dex/NA|gen=IX}}<br /> {{Dex/Gen/3|gen=IX|reg1=Paldea|num1=386|reg2=Kitakami|reg3=Blueberry}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon resembles an unknown object described in a paranormal magazine as a UFO sent to observe humanity.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=No records exist of this species being caught. Data is lacking, but the Pokémon's traits match up with an object described in an old book.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Footer}}<br /> {|style=&quot;margin:auto; text-align:center; border:3px solid #{{poison color dark}}; background:#{{fire color}}; font-size:80%; border-radius: 10px&quot;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;border:2px solid #{{fire color light}}; background:#{{fire color light}} | [[File:Pokédex Image Iron Moth SV.png|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Iron Moth in the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Paldea Pokédex number|Paldea Pokédex}}<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Game locations===<br /> {{Availability/Header|type=Fire|type2=Poison}}<br /> {{Availability/NA|gen=IX}}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=IX}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=Scarlet|area=[[Union Circle]], [[Poké Portal News]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Violet|t=FFF|area=[[Area Zero]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ====In events====<br /> =====[[Poké Portal News]]=====<br /> {{eventAvail/h|Tera Type|type=Fire|type2=Poison|lochide=yes}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev9|V}}|Slither Wing and Iron Moth|Random&lt;br&gt;Grass|hide|75|September 22 to 24, 2023|link=Poké Portal News/2023#September 22 to 24, 2023}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ====In side games====<br /> <br /> ===Held items===<br /> {{HeldItems/header|type=Fire|type2=Poison}}<br /> {{HeldItems/Games2|Scarlet|Violet|gcolor1=FFF|tcolor1={{Scarlet color}}|tcolor2=FFF|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}}<br /> {{HeldItems/Items1|Booster Energy|size=24px|5}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Stats===<br /> ====Base stats====<br /> {{Stats<br /> |type=Fire<br /> |type2=Poison<br /> |HP=80<br /> |Attack=70<br /> |Defense=60<br /> |SpAtk=140<br /> |SpDef=110<br /> |Speed=110<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Type effectiveness===<br /> {{TypeEffectiveness<br /> |type1=Fire<br /> |type2=Poison<br /> |Normal=100<br /> |Fighting=50<br /> |Flying=100<br /> |Poison=50<br /> |Ground=400<br /> |Rock=200<br /> |Bug=25<br /> |Ghost=100<br /> |Steel=50<br /> |Fire=50<br /> |Water=200<br /> |Grass=25<br /> |Electric=100<br /> |Psychic=200<br /> |Ice=50<br /> |Dragon=100<br /> |Dark=100<br /> |Fairy=25<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Learnset===<br /> ====By [[Level|leveling up]]====<br /> {{learnlist/levelh/9|Iron Moth|Fire|Poison|9}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Whirlwind|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Ember|Fire|Special|40|100|25||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Acid Spray|Poison|Special|40|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|{{tt|Rem.|Can only be learned via Move Reminder}}|Electric Terrain|Electric|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|7|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|50|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|14|Fire Spin|Fire|Special|35|85|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|21|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|28|Lunge|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|35|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|42|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|49|Sludge Wave|Poison|Special|95|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|56|Fiery Dance|Fire|Special|80|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|63|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|70|Morning Sun|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|77|Hurricane|Flying|Special|110|70|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|84|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|91|Overheat|Fire|Special|130|90|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/levelf/9|Iron Moth|Fire|Poison|9}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[TM]]====<br /> {{learnlist/tmh/9|Iron Moth|Fire|Poison|9}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM001|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM004|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM007|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM013|Acid Spray|Poison|Special|40|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM014|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM015|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|50|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM017|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM021|Pounce|Bug|Physical|50|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM023|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM024|Fire Spin|Fire|Special|35|85|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM025|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM032|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM038|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM045|Venoshock|Poison|Special|65|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM047|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM049|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM060|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM065|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM070|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM075|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM079|Dazzling Gleam|Fairy|Special|80|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM085|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM091|Toxic Spikes|Poison|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM093|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM103|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM118|Heat Wave|Fire|Special|95|90|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM119|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM120|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM125|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM130|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM136|Electric Terrain|Electric|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM141|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM152|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM157|Overheat|Fire|Special|130|90|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM160|Hurricane|Flying|Special|110|70|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM162|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM163|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM165|Flare Blitz|Fire|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM168|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM171|Tera Blast|Normal|Special|80|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM175|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM185|Lunge|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM214|Sludge Wave|Poison|Special|95|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM220|Meteor Beam|Rock|Special|120|90|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM223|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40}}<br /> {{learnlist/tmf/9|Iron Moth|Fire|Poison|9}}<br /> <br /> ====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====<br /> {{learnlist/breedh/9|Iron Moth|Fire|Poison|9}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed9null}}<br /> {{learnlist/breedf/9|Iron Moth|Fire|Poison|9}}<br /> <br /> ===Side game data===<br /> {{Spindata/Head|type=Fire|type2=Poison}}<br /> {{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Fire|ndex=0994<br /> |hatch=N/A<br /> |buddy=20<br /> |evolution=N/A<br /> |stamina=190<br /> |attack=281<br /> |defense=194<br /> |fast=<br /> |special=<br /> }}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Evolution data===<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;float:center; display:flex; flex-flow:row wrap;&quot;&gt;<br /> {{Evobox-1<br /> |type1=Fire<br /> |type2=Poison<br /> |pictype=art<br /> |no1=0994<br /> |name1=Iron Moth<br /> |type1-1=Fire<br /> |type2-1=Poison}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Sprites===<br /> {{Spritebox/Header|type=fire|type2=poison}}<br /> {{Spritebox/NA|gen=IX}}<br /> &lt;!--{{Spritebox/9|ndex=0994}}--&gt;<br /> {{Spritebox/HOME|ndex=0994}}<br /> {{Spritebox/Footer|994|Iron Moth}}<br /> <br /> ==In the anime==<br /> ===Main series===<br /> ====Major appearances====<br /> ====Minor appearances====<br /> <br /> ==In the manga==<br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> {{main|Iron Moth (TCG)}}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> * Iron Moth and {{p|Slither Wing}} can be considered counterparts of one another.<br /> ** Both share one [[type]] with {{p|Volcarona}}, but neither share the same type with each other.<br /> ** Both are the first Paradox Pokémon used by the AI Professors in their battles with the player.<br /> ** Both are the only Paradox Pokémon that can be naturally found in the same area as their relative.<br /> * Iron Moth has the highest base {{stat|Special Attack}} stat of all Paradox Pokémon.<br /> <br /> ===Origin===<br /> Iron Moth is based on {{p|Volcarona}}. Its descriptions in the Pokédex and the {{DL|Magazines in the Pokémon world|Occulture}} magazine suggest it is based on a {{wp|UFO}}, specifically a {{wp|foo fighter}}, a type of UFO which was often described as a ball of fire, and whose name may have come from a corruption of the French word ''feu'', meaning fire. Its appearance may also be based on satellites and space telescopes, particularly the {{wp|James Webb Space Telescope}}, while its wings resemble {{wp|solar panel}}s or {{wp|LED display}}s. It may specifically be based on [[wp:Dyson_sphere|Dyson swarms]], the theoretical concept of sending solar panels to closely orbit the sun to send energy back to Earth.<br /> <br /> ====Name origin====<br /> Iron Moth is literally ''iron moth''.<br /> <br /> Tetsunodokuga can be taken literally as 鉄の毒蛾 ''tetsu no dokuga'' (iron venomous moth).<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Other languages|type=Fire|type2=Poison<br /> |ja=テツノドクガ ''Tetsunodokuga''|jameaning=From {{tt|鉄の毒蛾 ''tetsu no dokuga''|iron venomous moth}}<br /> |fr=Mite-de-Fer|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|mite de fer|iron moth}}''<br /> |es=Ferropolilla|esmeaning= From ''{{tt|ferro-|Latin prefix that means ''iron''}}'' and ''{{tt|polilla|moth}}''<br /> |de=Eisenfalter|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Eisen|iron}}'' and ''{{tt|Falter|lepidopteran}}''<br /> |it=Falenaferrea|itmeaning=From ''{{tt|falena|moth}}'' and ''{{tt|ferrea|iron}}''<br /> |ko=무쇠독나방 ''Musoedongnabang''|komeaning=From {{tt|무쇠 ''musoe''|cast iron}} and {{tt|독나방 ''dongnabang''|venomous moth}}<br /> |zh_cmn=鐵毒蛾 / 铁毒蛾 ''Tiědú'é''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|鐵 / 铁 ''tiě''|iron}} and {{tt|毒蛾 ''dú'é''|venomous moth}}<br /> |zh_yue=鐵毒蛾 ''Titduhkngòh''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|鐵 ''tit''|iron}} and {{tt|毒蛾 ''duhkngòh''|venomous moth}}<br /> |hi=आइरनमॉथ ''Ironmoth''|himeaning=From ''iron'' and ''moth''<br /> |pt_br=Mariposa Férrea|pt_brmeaning=From ''{{tt|mariposa|moth}}'' and ''{{tt|férrea|ferrous}}''<br /> |th=แมลงมอธเหล็ก ''Malaengmotlek''|thmeaning=From ''{{tt|แมลงมอธ malaengmot|moth}}'' and ''{{tt|เหล็ก lek|iron}}''<br /> }}<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Related articles==<br /> * [[Paradox Pokémon]]<br /> * [[Violet Book]]<br /> * [[Artificial Pokémon]]<br /> * [[Extraterrestrial Pokémon]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> <br /> {{Paradox Pokémon}}<br /> <br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Fire|type2=Poison}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Fire|prevnum=0993|prev=Iron Jugulis|nextnum=0995|next=Iron Thorns}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Project Pokédex notice}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Paradox Pokémon]]<br /> [[Category:Future Pokémon]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Eisenfalter]]<br /> [[es:Ferropolilla]]<br /> [[fr:Mite-de-Fer]]<br /> [[it:Falenaferrea]]<br /> [[ja:テツノドクガ]]<br /> [[zh:铁毒蛾]]</div>

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<p>JadedArts: /* Origin */</p> <hr /> <div>{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Ground|type2=Steel}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/GO|species=Iron Treads}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Ground|prevnum=0989|prev=Sandy Shocks|nextnum=0991|next=Iron Bundle|roundleft=bl|roundright=br}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Pokémon Infobox<br /> |name=Iron Treads<br /> |jname=テツノワダチ<br /> |tmname=Tetsunowadachi<br /> |ndex=0990<br /> |type1=Ground<br /> |type2=Steel<br /> |category=Paradox<br /> |height-ftin=2'11&quot;<br /> |height-m=0.9<br /> |weight-lbs=529.2<br /> |weight-kg=240.0<br /> |abilitylayout=1<br /> |ability1=Quark Drive<br /> |ability2=<br /> |abilityd=<br /> |egggroupn=1<br /> |egggroup1=No Eggs Discovered<br /> |egggroup2=<br /> |eggcycles=50<br /> |evtotal=3<br /> |evhp=0<br /> |evat=0<br /> |evde=3<br /> |evsa=0<br /> |evsd=0<br /> |evsp=0<br /> |expyield=285<br /> |lv100exp=1250000<br /> |gendercode=255<br /> |color=Gray<br /> |catchrate=30<br /> |body=08<br /> |pokefordex=Iron_Treads<br /> |generation=9<br /> |friendship=0<br /> }}<br /> '''Iron Treads''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''テツノワダチ''' ''Tetsunowadachi'') is a dual-type {{2t|Ground|Steel}} [[Paradox Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation IX]].<br /> <br /> It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.<br /> <br /> It is said to be a future relative of {{p|Donphan}}. It also has an ancient counterpart, {{p|Great Tusk}}.<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> [[File:990Iron Treads Dream 3.png|thumb|left|200px|Rolled-up Iron Treads]]<br /> Iron Treads is a quadrupedal Pokémon with a spherical gray metallic body and a black underbelly. On its face are a pair of short black tusks and a black half-moon pixelated screen, which usually displays a pattern of a pair of angry red eyes; underneath them is a metal plate that can be retracted to reveal its mouth. Its most prominent physical feature is a segmented tread jutting out from its back, and extending to the front of its face. This tread is black and has bright red glowing patterns accenting it. Iron Treads also has long black plate-like earlobes, and metal plates covering its legs, which can be retracted to aid in its rolling attacks.<br /> Iron Treads is said to have a cruel nature. It is capable of swiftly curling up its body and rolling like a wheel to attack. Iron Treads will additionally curl up into this form and rock itself back and forth when sleeping. The trails it leaves behind are described as similar to scorched earth.&lt;ref&gt;(November 8, 2022). &quot;[https://scarletviolet.pokemon.com/en-us/news/books/ The Scarlet Book and the Violet Book].&quot; Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet Official Website&lt;/ref&gt; It also reportedly fatally injured one of the explorers of the Area Zero Expedition team in the past. In an article from a September issue of {{DL|Magazines in the Pokémon world|Occulture}} magazine, it is said that there have been reports of Iron Treads in an arid corner of [[Paldea]]. It is said to resemble {{p|Donphan}}. Rumors suggest that Iron Treads is some kind of weapon using technology not of this world, though this is unproven. When it falls asleep, it turns itself off, curling itself into its wheel form and causing the red energy on its treads to turn black.<br /> <br /> Iron Treads was the first [[Paradox Pokémon]] to be discovered 200 years ago in [[Area Zero]] by the Area Zero Expedition team and recorded by [[Heath]] in his [[Violet Book]]. According to [[Professor Turo|AI Turo]], Iron Treads is an future Pokémon related to Donphan. However, according to a Turo brought to the [[Crystal Pool]] by {{p|Terapagos}}, Iron Treads is a counterpart of Donphan from another timeline. Its true origin is unknown. Iron Treads were brought to the depths of Area Zero by a [[time machine]] built by Professor Turo ten years ago.<br /> <br /> ;Titan Pokémon<br /> At some point, one individual escaped Area Zero and consumed [[Herba Mystica]]. This Iron Treads became the Quaking Earth Titan, one of the [[Titan Pokémon]] found in [[Paldea]]. It mainly resides near a hidden cave in [[Asado Desert]], where it feeds on [[Sour Herba Mystica]].<br /> <br /> ==Game data==<br /> [[File:Titan Iron Treads.jpg|thumb|250px|The Quaking Earth Titan in [[Pokémon Violet]]]]<br /> ===NPC appearances===<br /> * '''[[Pokémon Violet]]: Quaking Earth Titan, Iron Treads''' is a minor character and a boss in the games. It became a [[Titan Pokémon]] after consuming some [[Herba Mystica]].<br /> ** [[Player character|The player]] and [[Arven]] eventually found it in [[Asado Desert]] to find the [[Sour Herba Mystica|Herba Mystica it guards]] and defeated it, forcing it to flee. After both took its Herba Mystica, Iron Treads became a normal-sized Pokémon once again. After this, it can be rematched in its original location, and will have the [[Mark|Titan Mark]] when captured.<br /> <br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Dex/Header|type=Ground|type2=Steel}}<br /> {{Dex/NA|gen=IX}}<br /> {{Dex/Gen/3|gen=IX|reg1=Paldea|num1=382|reg2=Kitakami|reg3=Blueberry}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon closely resembles a scientific weapon that a paranormal magazine claimed was sent to this planet by aliens.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=Sightings of this Pokémon have occurred in recent years. It resembles a mysterious object described in an old expedition journal.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Footer}}<br /> {|style=&quot;margin:auto; text-align:center; border:3px solid #{{steel color dark}}; background:#{{ground color}}; font-size:80%; border-radius: 10px&quot;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;border:2px solid #{{ground color light}}; background:#{{ground color light}} | [[File:Pokédex Image Iron Treads SV.png|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Iron Treads in the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Paldea Pokédex number|Paldea Pokédex}}<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Game locations===<br /> {{Availability/Header|type=Ground|type2=Steel}}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=IX}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=Scarlet|area=[[Union Circle]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Violet|t=FFF|area=West Province: [[Asado Desert]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Titan Pokémon|Former Titan]]&lt;/sup&gt; ([[List of in-game event Pokémon in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet#Iron Treads|Only one]])&lt;br&gt;[[Area Zero]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Footer}}<br /> <br /> =====[[Poké Portal News]]=====<br /> {{eventAvail/h|Tera Type|type=Ground|type2=Steel|lochide=yes}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev9|V}}|Great Tusk and Iron Treads Spotlight|Ground&lt;br&gt;Random|hide|75|[[List of glitches in Generation IX#May 19, 00:00 to 02:00 UTC, 2023 Poké Portal News event glitches|May 19, 00:00 to 02:00, 2023]]&lt;br&gt;June 16 to 19, 2023|link=Poké Portal News/2023#June 16 to 19, 2023}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Held items===<br /> {{HeldItems/header|type=Ground|type2=Steel}}<br /> {{HeldItems/Games2|Scarlet|Violet|gcolor1=FFF|tcolor1={{Scarlet color}}|tcolor2=FFF|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}}<br /> {{HeldItems/Items1|Booster Energy|size=24px|5}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Stats===<br /> ====Base stats====<br /> {{Stats<br /> |type=Ground<br /> |type2=Steel<br /> |HP=90<br /> |Attack=112<br /> |Defense=120<br /> |SpAtk=72<br /> |SpDef=70<br /> |Speed=106<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Type effectiveness===<br /> {{TypeEffectiveness<br /> |type1=Ground<br /> |type2=Steel<br /> |Normal=50<br /> |Fighting=200<br /> |Flying=50<br /> |Poison=0<br /> |Ground=200<br /> |Rock=25<br /> |Bug=50<br /> |Ghost=100<br /> |Steel=50<br /> |Fire=200<br /> |Water=200<br /> |Grass=100<br /> |Electric=0<br /> |Psychic=50<br /> |Ice=100<br /> |Dragon=50<br /> |Dark=100<br /> |Fairy=50<br /> |notes=yes<br /> |ringtarget=yes<br /> |ringtargetnote={{typecolor|Poison}}- and {{typecolor2|Electric}} moves will become ½× and 1×, respectively<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Learnset===<br /> ====By [[Level|leveling up]]====<br /> {{learnlist/levelh/9|Iron Treads|Ground|Steel|9}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Electric Terrain|Electric|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Horn Attack|Normal|Physical|65|100|25}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|7|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}<br /> 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{{learnlist/tm9|TM005|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM006|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM007|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM009|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM010|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM025|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM028|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM035|Mud Shot|Ground|Special|55|95|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM036|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM048|Volt Switch|Electric|Special|70|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM051|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM053|Smart Strike|Steel|Physical|70|—|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM059|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM066|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM070|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|patch=Version 2.0.1 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{{learnlist/tm9|TM225|Hard Press|Steel|Physical|—|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tmf/9|Iron Treads|Ground|Steel|9}}<br /> <br /> ====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====<br /> {{learnlist/breedh/9|Iron Treads|Ground|Steel|9}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed9null}}<br /> {{learnlist/breedf/9|Iron Treads|Ground|Steel|9}}<br /> <br /> ===Side game data===<br /> {{Spindata/Head|type=Ground|type2=Steel}}<br /> {{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Ground|ndex=0990<br /> |hatch=N/A<br /> |buddy=20<br /> |evolution=N/A<br /> |stamina=207<br /> |attack=227<br /> |defense=216<br /> |fast=<br /> |special=<br /> }}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Evolution data===<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;float:center; display:flex; flex-flow:row wrap;&quot;&gt;<br /> {{Evobox-1<br /> |type1=Ground<br /> |type2=Steel<br /> |pictype=art<br /> |no1=0990<br /> |name1=Iron Treads<br /> |type1-1=Ground<br /> |type2-1=Steel}}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Sprites===<br /> {{Spritebox/Header|type=ground|type2=steel}}<br /> {{Spritebox/NA|gen=IX}}<br /> &lt;!--{{Spritebox/9|ndex=0990}}--&gt;<br /> {{Spritebox/HOME|ndex=0990}}<br /> {{Spritebox/Footer|990|Iron Treads}}<br /> <br /> ==In the anime==<br /> ===Main series===<br /> ====Major appearances====<br /> ====Minor appearances====<br /> <br /> ==In the manga==<br /> [[File:Titan Iron Treads Adventures.png|thumb|250px|Iron Treads in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]<br /> ===Pokémon Adventures===<br /> A Titan Iron Treads debuted in [[PASV02]]. {{adv|Violet}} and [[Arven]] challenged the Quaking Earth Titan in order to obtain its supply of [[Herba Mystica]], but were defeated.<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> {{main|Iron Treads (TCG)}}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> * {{p|Great Tusk}} and Iron Treads can be considered counterparts of one another.<br /> ** Both appear to be relatives of {{p|Donphan}}.<br /> ** Both are the only Paradox Pokémon introduced prior to the 1.2.0 update not to be used by the AI Professors in their battles against the player.<br /> ** Both are encountered as the [[version exclusive]] [[Titan Pokémon|Quaking Earth Titan]].<br /> ** Both are the first non-Legendary Paradox Pokémon to be officially revealed and encountered.<br /> ** Both are the only Paradox Pokémon that can be caught outside of Area Zero.<br /> ** Both have a drawing and photo pictures in [[Scarlet Book]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Violet Book]]{{sup/9|V}}.<br /> * In [[Generation IX]], prior to the Version 2.0.1 update of {{g|Scarlet and Violet}}, Iron Treads was unable to learn {{m|Sleep Talk}} via [[TM]].<br /> <br /> ===Origin===<br /> Iron Treads is based on {{p|Donphan}}, and by extension possibly an {{wp|elephant}}, as well as {{wp|spherical robot}}s and {{wp|tire tread}}s. The panels on its body resemble {{wp|LED display}}s. The way it curls its tread into a ring may reference [[wp:Monowheel|monowheels]], vehicles known for having one large wheel that sits a rider in the center.<br /> <br /> ====Name origin====<br /> Iron Treads is literally ''iron treads''.<br /> <br /> Tetsunowadachi can be taken literally as 鉄の轍 ''tetsu no wadachi'' (iron treads).<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Other languages|type=Ground|type2=Steel<br /> |ja=テツノワダチ ''Tetsunowadachi''|jameaning=From {{tt|鉄の轍 ''tetsu no wadachi''|iron treads}}<br /> |fr=Roue-de-Fer|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|roue de fer|iron wheel}}''<br /> |es=Ferrodada|esmeaning=From ''{{tt|ferro-|Latin prefix that means ''iron''}}'' and ''{{tt|rodada|tracks}}''<br /> |de=Eisenrad|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Eisen|iron}}'' and ''{{tt|Rad|wheel}}''<br /> |it=Solcoferreo|itmeaning=From ''{{tt|solco|track}}'' and ''{{tt|ferreo|iron}}''<br /> |ko=무쇠바퀴 ''Musoebakwi''|komeaning=From {{tt|무쇠 ''musoe''|cast iron}} and {{tt|바퀴 ''bakwi''|wheel}}<br /> |zh_cmn=鐵轍跡 / 铁辙迹 ''Tiězhéjī / Tiězhéjì''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|鐵 / 铁 ''tiě''|iron}} and {{tt|轍跡 / 辙迹 ''zhéjī / zhéjì''|tread marks}}<br /> |zh_yue=鐵轍跡 ''Titchitjīk''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|鐵 ''tit''|iron}} and {{tt|轍跡 ''chitjīk''|tread marks}}<br /> |hi=आइरनवील ''Ironwheel''|himeaning=From ''iron'' and ''wheel''<br /> |pt_br=Trilho Férreo|pt_brmeaning=From ''{{tt|trilho|track}}'' and ''{{tt|férreo|ferrous}}''<br /> |th=รอยล้อเหล็ก ''Roilolek''|thmeaning=From ''{{tt|รอย roi|track}}'', ''{{tt|ล้อ lo|wheel}}'', and ''{{tt|เหล็ก lek|iron}}''}}<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Related articles==<br /> * [[Titan Pokémon]]<br /> * [[Paradox Pokémon]]<br /> * [[Violet Book]]<br /> * [[Artificial Pokémon]]<br /> * [[Extraterrestrial Pokémon]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> {{Paradox Pokémon}}<br /> {{Titan Pokémon}}{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Ground|type2=Steel}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Ground|prevnum=0989|prev=Sandy Shocks|nextnum=0991|next=Iron Bundle}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Project Pokédex notice}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Paradox Pokémon]]<br /> [[Category:Future Pokémon]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Eisenrad]]<br /> [[es:Ferrodada]]<br /> [[fr:Roue-de-Fer]]<br /> [[it:Solcoferreo]]<br /> [[ja:テツノワダチ]]<br /> [[zh:铁辙迹]]</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Iron_Bundle_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=4110119 2024-09-12T19:46:13Z

<p>JadedArts: /* Origin */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>I attempted to upload the new updated artwork of Iron Bundle but for some reason it just got replaced by the old scanned artwork, even on my contributions page, despite that not being what I uploaded, so I'm not going to try anymore in case it happens again. --[[User:FrostyZippy|FrostyZippy]] ([[User talk:FrostyZippy|talk]]) 16:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> :The servers need some time to update their caches. It's not your fault; just wait for a while and refresh/clear your page's cache until it updates. [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 16:20, 12 January 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Origin ==<br /> <br /> Occulture claims it's from an ancient civilization. Ancient advanced civilization probably means Atlantis connection. Atlantis was submerged under water in myth, so the future connection may oddly be the idea of the polar ice caps melting since Iron Bundle is Delibird which is a penguin which live in Antarctica.</div>

JadedArts https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Hoopa_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=4109613 2024-09-11T19:52:01Z

<p>JadedArts: Added &quot;OOPArt&quot; (Out-of-place Artifacts) as a possible name origin.</p> <hr /> <div>{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Psychic|type2=ghost}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/GO|species=Hoopa}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Psychic|prevnum=0719|prev=Diancie|nextnum=0721|next=Volcanion|round=none}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Disambig|species=Hoopa}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Pokémon Infobox<br /> |name=Hoopa<br /> |jname=フーパ<br /> |jtranslit=Fūpa<br /> |tmname=Hoopa<br /> |forme=2<br /> |form1=Hoopa Confined<br /> |form2=Hoopa Unbound<br /> |image=0720Hoopa.png<br /> |image2=0720Hoopa-Unbound.png<br /> |ndex=0720<br /> |typebox=2<br /> |type1=Psychic<br /> |type2=Ghost<br /> |form2type1=Psychic<br /> |form2type2=Dark<br /> |category={{tt|Mischief|Hoopa Confined}} Pokémon&lt;br/&gt;{{tt|Djinn|Hoopa Unbound}}<br /> |height-ftin=1'08&quot;<br /> |height-ftin2=21'04&quot;<br /> |height-m=0.5<br /> |height-m2=6.5<br /> |weight-lbs=19.8<br /> |weight-lbs2=1080.3<br /> |weight-kg=9.0<br /> |weight-kg2=490.0<br /> |abilityn=1<br /> |abilitylayout=1<br /> |ability1=Magician<br /> |egggroupn=0<br /> |egggroup1=No Eggs Discovered<br /> |eggcycles=120<br /> |evtotal=3<br /> |evsa=3<br /> |expyield=270<br /> |lv100exp=1,250,000<br /> |gendercode=255<br /> |color=Purple<br /> |catchrate=3<br /> |body=04<br /> |formbody=yes<br /> |pokefordex=hoopa<br /> |generation=6<br /> |friendship=100<br /> }}<br /> '''Hoopa''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''フーパ''' ''Hoopa'') is a dual-type {{2t|Psychic|Ghost}} [[Mythical Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation VI]].<br /> <br /> While it is not known to [[evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon, Hoopa has an alternate [[#Form data|form]], which it changes into by using the [[Prison Bottle]]. Its default form, '''Hoopa Confined''', will then become the dual-type {{2t|Psychic|Dark}} '''Hoopa Unbound'''. In Generation VI and [[Generation VII|VII]], Hoopa Unbound will revert into Hoopa Confined while in the player's [[party]] if three days have passed since changing to Hoopa Unbound. Other circumstances may also cause it to revert.<br /> <br /> (Refer to [[#Form data|Game data&amp;rarr;Form data]] for more details.)<br /> <br /> Hoopa Confined was officially revealed in the February 2015 issue of [[CoroCoro]] magazine, whereas Hoopa Unbound was revealed by CoroCoro three months later.<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> [[File:M18 Promo Artwork 5.png|250px|thumb|left|Hoopa summoning multiple [[Legendary Pokémon]] through its hoop]]<br /> Hoopa Confined is a light-purple {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} with a vaguely humanoid appearance. It has green eyes with yellow sclerae, a yellow ring marking on its forehead, a small, pink dot under each eye, and dark pink hair tied into a short ponytail. On either side of its head is a dark gray horn that curves slightly upward. Its body has a dark pink, V-shaped marking on the chest and a small, golden spike on each shoulder. Its arms are not attached to its body and instead float next to it; each arm has a small golden spike similar to those on its shoulders. It has mitten-like hands and dark pink rings around each wrist. In place of actual legs, it has a wispy tail. Hoopa has three gold rings: one large one around its lower body and one hanging freely on each of its horns.<br /> <br /> In the past, Hoopa's true power is said to have been sealed in the [[Prison Bottle]] for the destruction it used to cause, reducing Hoopa to a much smaller and weaker form; opening the bottle grants Hoopa its true form once again, but only for three days. The rings on Hoopa's body can warp space and allow it to transport items, [[human]]s, and {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} by passing them through its hoops. This power allows it to cause mischief and take anything it wants. It stores all of its gathered loot in a secret spot only it knows. Hoopa is said to have the power to bend dimensions. It is heavily implied to be the one causing many of the [[Mirage spot]]s in the [[Hoenn]] [[region]]. As seen in {{g|Masters EX}}, Hoopa can even bring people and Pokémon from {{pkmn|multiverse|alternate timelines}}. Hoopa is also known to like donuts.<br /> <br /> Hoopa Confined is the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] capable of learning the move {{m|Hyperspace Hole}}.<br /> {{left clear}}<br /> <br /> ===Forms===<br /> [[File:Hoopa Hole ORAS.png|thumb|left|A ring [[Mirage spot]] in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}]]<br /> Hoopa has two forms: Hoopa Confined and Hoopa Unbound. <br /> <br /> Hoopa Unbound is a large, bipedal Pokémon with six arms. It is mostly light blue with purple hair. The ponytail on its head is larger and bushier and held in place by two golden rings. Its hair now covers its chin, where it forms a pointed beard, and the back of its neck. The horns are less curved and have spiky purple hair around the bases. There are three gold rings on each horn: two around the base and one around the middle. It has yellow eyes white sclerae, a pointed, dark gray nose, a small hole inside of the ring-marking on its forehead, and prominent fangs in the back of its lower jaw. Similar to Hoopa Confined, its arms are disconnected and float next to its body. Instead of a small, gold spike the arms now have large, dark gray spikes and appear from holes along the sides of its body. Each arm has three fingers with dark gray claws, a gold ring around the wrist, and a gold ring around the base. Several tufts of purple hair surround its torso and a gold ring encircles a hole in the center of its chest. Another large gold ring encircles its waist and there are small tufts of hair poking out from underneath it. There is a purple stripe that widens at the knee down each leg and two gold rings around each ankle. The tips of its feet are gold and curl upward. Additionally, this form has a tail with a purple stripe along the top and an arrow-shaped tip. Hoopa Unbound is tied with {{me|Gyarados}} as the tallest {{t|Dark}} type.<br /> <br /> Hoopa Unbound is said to be Hoopa's true form and is said to have a humongous amount of power. Hoopa Unbound is capable of bending dimensions on an even more powerful scale.&lt;ref&gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20160221061908/http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/hoopa&lt;/ref&gt; Hoopa Unbound can summon powerful [[Legendary Pokémon]] through its hoops. It can even use its rage to drive Legendary Pokémon berserk. However, this has the dangerous side effect of creating a space-time distortion that'll destroy the area where they were summoned as depicted in ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]''. One legend stated that it greedily teleported an entire castle from [[Kalos]] 3,000 years ago to obtain a treasure hidden within it. It can even teleport an entire island through its hoops. Hoopa can remain in Unbound form for three days until its power is sealed back in the Prison Bottle, reverting to the smaller Confined Form.<br /> <br /> Hoopa Unbound is the [[signature move|only known Pokémon]] capable of learning the move {{m|Hyperspace Fury}}.<br /> <br /> &lt;div class=&quot;scrollbox&quot;&gt;<br /> {| style=&quot;margin:auto; text-align:center; font-size:80%; background: #{{psychic color}}; {{roundy|10px}} border: 3px solid #{{ghost color dark}}&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | {{color|000|Hoopa Confined}}<br /> | {{color|000|Hoopa Unbound}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{ghost color dark}}; background: #{{psychic color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:0720Hoopa.png|100px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{dark color dark}}; background: #{{psychic color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:0720Hoopa-Unbound.png|100px]]<br /> |}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{left clear}}<br /> <br /> ==Game data==<br /> ===NPC appearances===<br /> * {{g|Super Mystery Dungeon}}: Hoopa appears as a special non-recruitable ally that must be found contained in the [[Djinn's Bottle]] in [[Sahra Town]]. Upon approaching the bottle, Hoopa will &quot;[[Connection Orb|connect]]&quot; with the {{player}}'s team and will accompany them only for the next exploration. Whilst exploring, Hoopa will randomly choose between its Unbound or Confined Formes. The leader may ask Hoopa to summon a random {{pkmn2|Legendary}} or [[Mythical Pokémon]] through one of its portals for help, but the target may randomly end up as a hostile enemy instead.<br /> <br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Dex/Header|type=Psychic|type2=Ghost}}<br /> {{Dex/NA|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Dex/Gen/2|gen=VI|reg1=Kalos|num1=152|label1=Central|reg2=Hoenn}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=This troublemaker sends anything and everything to faraway places using its loop, which can warp space.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|t=FFF|entry=It gathers things it likes and passes them through its loop to teleport them to a secret place.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=FFF|entry=In its true form, it possess a huge amount of power. Legends of its avarice tell how it once carried off an entire castle to gain the treasure hidden within.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=It is said to be able to seize anything it desires with its six rings and six huge arms. With its power sealed, it is transformed into a much smaller form.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen/2|gen=VII|reg1=Alola|reg2=Kanto}}<br /> {{Dex/NE|[[Generation VII]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen/3|gen=VIII|reg1=Galar|reg2=Sinnoh|reg3=Hisui}}<br /> {{Dex/NE|[[Generation VIII]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen/3|gen=IX|reg1=Paldea|reg2=Kitakami|reg3=Blueberry}}<br /> {{Dex/NE|[[Generation IX]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ===Game locations===<br /> {{Availability/Header|type=Psychic|type2=Ghost}}<br /> {{Availability/NA|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y|area=[[#In events|Event]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|area=[[#In events|Event]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Sun|v2=Moon|area=[[#In events|Event]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Ultra Sun|v2=Ultra Moon|area=[[#In events|Event]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Let's Go Pikachu|v2=Let's Go Eevee|area=Unobtainable}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=VIII}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Sword|v2=Shield|area=Unobtainable}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Brilliant Diamond|v2=Shining Pearl|area=Unobtainable}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Legends: Arceus|area=Unobtainable}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=IX}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Scarlet|v2=Violet|area={{g|HOME}}}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ====In side games====<br /> {{Availability/Header|type=Psychic|type2=Ghost}}<br /> {{Availability/NA|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Super MD|link=Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon|color={{gold color}}|area=Summon from [[Djinn's Bottle]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Picross|color={{skill color light}}|area=[[Pokémon Picross Stages#Area 08|Area 08: Stage 08]] (as a {{DL|Pokémon Picross|Mythical Pokémon}}) &lt;small&gt;('''Hoopa Confined''')&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;[[Pokémon Picross Stages#Area 29|Area 29: Stage 12]] (as a {{DL|Pokémon Picross|Mythical Pokémon}}) &lt;small&gt;('''Hoopa Unbound''')&lt;/small&gt;}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}<br /> {{Availability/NA/Side|gen=VII}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=VIII}}<br /> {{Availability/NA/Side|gen=VIII}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Cross}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Shuffle|color={{beauty color}}|area=Event: ''[[Great Challenge|Hoopa Appears]]'' &lt;small&gt;('''Hoopa Confined''')&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;Event: ''[[Daily Pokémon#Great Daily (first release)|Great Daily Pokémon]]'' &lt;small&gt;(First release; '''Hoopa Confined''')&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;[[Blau Salon|Blau Salon: Stage 450]] &lt;small&gt;('''Hoopa Unbound''')&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;Event: ''[[Special Challenge|Hoopa Appears]]'' &lt;small&gt;('''Hoopa Unbound''')&lt;/small&gt;}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Masters EX|color={{masters color}}|area=Poké Fair [[sync pair scout]]: {{sync|Lear|Hoopa}} &lt;small&gt;('''Hoopa Confined''')&lt;/small&gt;}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=UNITE|link=Pokémon UNITE|color={{violet color}}|area=Hoopa Special Events&lt;br&gt;Purchase for 10,000 Aeos Coins/575 Aeos Gems}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ====In events====<br /> {{eventAvail/h|Region|type=Psychic|type2=Ghost}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Cinema Hoopa|All|Japan|50|July 5, 2015;&lt;br/&gt;July 18 to September 30, 2015|link=List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Cinema Hoopa}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Manesh Hoopa|Japanese region|Online|50|August 21 to November 30, 2015|link=List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Manesh Hoopa}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Manesh Hoopa|American region|Online|50|August 21 to November 30, 2015|link=List of American region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Manesh Hoopa}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Harry Hoopa|PAL region|Online|50|October 10, 2015 to April 15, 2016&lt;br/&gt;April 6 to 30, 2016|link=List of PAL region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Harry Hoopa}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Mighty Hoopa|Japanese region|Online|50|November 3 to 30, 2015|link=List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Mighty Hoopa}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Mighty Hoopa|Taiwanese region|Online|50|November 3 to 30, 2015|link=List of Taiwanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Mighty Hoopa}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Mac Hoopa|American region|Nintendo Zone|50|November 27 to December 23, 2015|link=List of American region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Mac Hoopa}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Cinema Hoopa|Korean region|Online|50|December 15, 2015 to February 29, 2016|link=List of Korean region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Hoopa}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Alexander Hoopa|American region|Online|50|October 3 to 9, 2016|link=List of American region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Alexander Hoopa}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev7|SMUSUM}}|Full Force Hoopa|Japanese region|Online|15|December 1, 2017 to April 30, 2018<br /> |link=List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Pokémon Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon#Hoopa}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Held items===<br /> {{HeldItems<br /> |type=Psychic|type2=Ghost<br /> |event1=Focus Sash|event1type=None|event1rar=100<br /> |event2=Smoke Ball|event2type=None|event2rar=100}}<br /> <br /> ===Stats===<br /> ====Base stats====<br /> =====Hoopa Confined=====<br /> {{Stats<br /> |type=psychic<br /> |type2=ghost<br /> |HP=80<br /> |Attack=110<br /> |Defense=60<br /> |SpAtk=150<br /> |SpDef=130<br /> |Speed=70}}<br /> <br /> =====Hoopa Unbound=====<br /> {{Stats<br /> |type=psychic<br /> |type2=dark<br /> |HP=80<br /> |Attack=160<br /> |Defense=60<br /> |SpAtk=170<br /> |SpDef=130<br /> |Speed=80}}<br /> <br /> ===Type effectiveness===<br /> ====Hoopa Confined====<br /> {{TypeEffectiveness<br /> |type1=Psychic<br /> |type2=Ghost<br /> |Normal= 0<br /> |Flying= 100<br /> |Fighting= 0<br /> |Ground= 100<br /> |Rock= 100<br /> |Bug= 100<br /> |Poison= 50<br /> |Ghost= 400<br /> |Steel= 100<br /> |Fire= 100<br /> |Water= 100<br /> |Grass= 100<br /> |Electric=100<br /> |Psychic= 50<br /> |Ice= 100<br /> |Dragon= 100<br /> |Dark= 400<br /> |Fairy= 100<br /> |notes=yes<br /> |ghost=yes<br /> |newnormal=1<br /> |newfighting=½}}<br /> <br /> ====Hoopa Unbound====<br /> {{TypeEffectiveness<br /> |type1=Psychic<br /> |type2=Dark<br /> |Normal= 100<br /> |Flying= 100<br /> |Fighting=100<br /> |Ground= 100<br /> |Rock= 100<br /> |Bug= 400<br /> |Poison= 100<br /> |Ghost= 100<br /> |Steel= 100<br /> |Fire= 100<br /> |Water= 100<br /> |Grass= 100<br /> |Electric=100<br /> |Psychic= 0<br /> |Ice= 100<br /> |Dragon= 100<br /> |Dark= 100<br /> |Fairy= 200<br /> |notes=yes<br /> |dark=yes<br /> |newpsychic=½}}<br /> <br /> ===Learnset===<br /> ====By [[Level|leveling up]]====<br /> =====Hoopa Confined=====<br /> {{learnlist/levelh/9|Hoopa|Psychic|Ghost|6}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Ally Switch|Psychic|Status|—|—|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|6|Astonish|Ghost|Physical|30|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|10|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|15|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|19|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|25|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|29|Guard Split|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|29|Power Split|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|35|Phantom Force|Ghost|Physical|90|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|46|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|50|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|50|Wonder Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|55|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|68|Nasty Plot|Dark|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|75|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|85|Hyperspace Hole|Psychic|Special|80|—|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/levelf/9|Hoopa|Psychic|Ghost|6}}<br /> <br /> =====Hoopa Unbound=====<br /> {{learnlist/levelh/9|Hoopa|Psychic|Dark|6}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Ally Switch|Psychic|Status|—|—|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|1|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|6|Astonish|Ghost|Physical|30|100|15||''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|10|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|15|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|19|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|25|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|29|Guard Split|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|29|Power Split|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|46|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|65|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|50|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|50|Wonder Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|55|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|75|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/level9|85|Hyperspace Fury|Dark|Physical|100|—|5||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/levelf/9|Hoopa|Psychic|Dark|6}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[TM]]====<br /> {{learnlist/tmh/9|Hoopa|Psychic|Ghost|6}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM001|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM006|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM007|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM016|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM018|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25||''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM025|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM032|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM036|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM043|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10||''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM047|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM049|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM050|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM051|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM054|Psyshock|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM058|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM059|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM062|Foul Play|Dark|Physical|95|100|15||''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM067|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM068|Thunder Punch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM069|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM070|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM073|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|75|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM074|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM075|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM081|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM082|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|90|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM085|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM087|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM094|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15||''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM098|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM102|Gunk Shot|Poison|Physical|120|80|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM103|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM109|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM114|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM119|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM120|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM126|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM129|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM138|Psychic Terrain|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM140|Nasty Plot|Dark|Status|—|—|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM151|Phantom Force|Ghost|Physical|90|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM152|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM158|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM161|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM163|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM171|Tera Blast|Normal|Special|80|100|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM178|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM181|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|65|100|20||''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM192|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM199|Lash Out|Dark|Physical|75|100|5||''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM203|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM217|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|120|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM218|Expanding Force|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM219|Skitter Smack|Bug|Physical|70|90|10}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM221|Throat Chop|Dark|Physical|80|100|15||''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm9|TM228|Psychic Noise|Psychic|Special|75|100|10||'''}}<br /> {{learnlist/tmf/9|Hoopa|Psychic|Ghost|6}}<br /> <br /> ====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====<br /> {{learnlist/breedh/9|Hoopa|Psychic|Ghost|6}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed9null}}<br /> {{learnlist/breedf/9|Hoopa|Psychic|Ghost|6}}<br /> <br /> ===Side game data===<br /> ====Hoopa Confined====<br /> {{Spindata/Head|type=Psychic|type2=Ghost}}<br /> {{Spindata/PSMD|col=6|type=Psychic|ndex=720<br /> |coset=None<br /> |conto=None<br /> |recruitment=Obtain the [[Djinn's Bottle]] in [[Sahra Town]]<br /> |P1=<br /> '''Before summoning:'''&lt;br&gt;Shall I summon other Pokémon with my rings? I don't care if I summon them or not, though.<br /> '''After summoning:'''&lt;br&gt;I will NOT return to the bottle! Well, if the bottle summons me, I have to, though…<br /> |P2=N/A<br /> }}<br /> |-<br /> {{Spindata/Shuffle|type=Psychic|ndex=720|stype=Ghost|num=608<br /> |min=70<br /> |max=140<br /> |raisemaxlevel=20<br /> |skill=Barrier Bash+<br /> |skilldesc=Sometimes removes three barrier-type disruptions.<br /> |swapper=Shadow Shock<br /> }}<br /> |-<br /> {{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Psychic|ndex=720<br /> |hatch=N/A<br /> |buddy=20<br /> |evolution=&lt;br&gt;<br /> {{Stardust}}10,000 + {{Candy|Hoopa}}50 → {{MSP/GO|0720U|Hoopa|size=40px}}&lt;br/&gt;<br /> |stamina=173<br /> |attack=261<br /> |defense=187<br /> |fast={{m|Confusion}}, {{m|Astonish}}<br /> |special={{m|Shadow Ball}}, {{m|Psybeam}}, {{m|Psychic}}<br /> }}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ====Hoopa Unbound====<br /> {{Spindata/Head|type=Psychic|type2=Dark}}<br /> {{Spindata/PSMD|col=6|type=Psychic|ndex=720U<br /> |coset=None<br /> |conto=None<br /> |recruitment=Obtain the [[Djinn's Bottle]] in [[Sahra Town]]<br /> |gigantic=1<br /> |P1=<br /> '''Before summoning:'''&lt;br&gt;Shall I summon other Pokémon with my rings? I don't care if I summon them or not, though.<br /> '''After summoning:'''&lt;br&gt;I will NOT return to the bottle! Well, if the bottle summons me, I have to, though…<br /> |P2=N/A<br /> }}<br /> |-<br /> {{Spindata/Shuffle|type=Psychic|ndex=720U|stype=Dark|num=608<br /> |min=90<br /> |max=120<br /> |raisemaxlevel=5<br /> |skill=Risk-Taker<br /> |skilldesc=Increases damage randomly.<br /> |swapper=Typeless Combo<br /> }}<br /> |-<br /> {{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Psychic|ndex=720U<br /> |hatch=N/A<br /> |buddy=20<br /> |evolution=&lt;br&gt;<br /> {{Stardust}}2,000 + {{Candy|Hoopa}}10 → {{MSP/GO|0720|Hoopa|size=40px}}<br /> |stamina=173<br /> |attack=311<br /> |defense=191<br /> |fast={{m|Confusion}}, {{m|Astonish}}<br /> |special={{m|Shadow Ball}}, {{m|Dark Pulse}}, {{m|Psychic}}<br /> }}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Form data===<br /> Hoopa has two forms it can change between using the [[Prison Bottle]]: Hoopa Confined and Hoopa Unbound<br /> <br /> Hoopa Confined is Hoopa's default form, which is {{2t|Psychic|Ghost}}-type. When exposed to a Prison Bottle, Hoopa Confined transforms into Hoopa Unbound, which is {{2t|Psychic|Dark}}-type. Hoopa Unbound was introduced in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}.<br /> <br /> Hoopa Unbound will change back into Hoopa Confined after three days have passed since using the Prison Bottle. Hoopa also changes back to Hoopa Confined when deposited in a [[Pokémon Storage System|Box]] ([[Generation VI]]), when withdrawn from a box ([[Generation VII]]), when deposited in the [[Pokémon Day Care]] or [[Pokémon Nursery]], or when exposed to the Prison Bottle again.<br /> <br /> {{evobox/Formes<br /> |family=None<br /> |sprite1=0720Hoopa<br /> |name1=Hoopa<br /> |type1-1=Psychic<br /> |type2-1=Ghost<br /> |forme1=Hoopa Confined<br /> |loc1=Wait three days,&lt;br&gt;deposit in storage,&lt;br&gt;or&amp;nbsp;use&amp;nbsp;{{color2|000|Prison&amp;nbsp;Bottle}}<br /> |item1=Prison Bottle<br /> |itemfile1=Bag Prison Bottle SV Sprite.png<br /> |itemsize1=40px<br /> |sprite2=0720Hoopa-Unbound<br /> |type1-2=Psychic<br /> |type2-2=Dark<br /> |forme2=Hoopa Unbound<br /> |loc2=The {{color2|000|Prison Bottle}} changes Hoopa's form for three days<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The two forms have different [[base stats]], [[type]]s, [[move]]s they can learn, and [[cry|cries]]. Additionally, the move {{m|Hyperspace Fury}} is usable only by Hoopa Unbound (or a Pokémon that has transformed into Hoopa Unbound with {{m|Transform}} or {{a|Imposter}}), and will fail if Hoopa Confined (or any other Pokémon) attempts to use it. In [[Generation IX]], when Hoopa becomes Hoopa Unbound, {{m|Hyperspace Hole}} is replaced with Hyperspace Fury and vice versa.<br /> <br /> {| style=&quot;margin:auto&quot;<br /> |<br /> {{Compare|name=Hoopa|forme=Hoopa Confined|type=Psychic|type2=Ghost|image=720Hoopa|ab=Magician|how=Wait three days,&lt;br&gt;deposit in storage,&lt;br&gt;or use {{color2|000|Prison&amp;nbsp;Bottle}}|HP=80|Attack=110|Defense=60|SpAtk=150|SpDef=130|Speed=70}}<br /> |<br /> {{Compare|name=Hoopa|forme=Hoopa Unbound|type=Psychic|type2=Dark|image=720Hoopa-Unbound|ab=Magician|how={{color2|000|Prison Bottle}}|HP=80|Attack=160|Defense=60|SpAtk=170|SpDef=130|Speed=80}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#{{psychic color}}; border:5px solid #{{psychic color light}}&quot;<br /> |-<br /> ! style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color dark}}; {{roundytl|5px}}&quot; | {{color2|{{psychic color light}}|Level|Lv.}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ghost color light}}&quot; | [[File:720Hoopa.png|96px]]&lt;br&gt;{{color|{{ghost color dark}}|Hoopa Confined}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;small&gt;{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Ghost}}&lt;/small&gt;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}&quot; | [[File:720Hoopa-Unbound.png|96px]]&lt;br&gt;{{color|{{dark color dark}}|Hoopa Unbound}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;small&gt;{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Dark}}&lt;/small&gt;<br /> |-<br /> | rowspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|1}}<br /> |-<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{ghost color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Destiny Bond|{{ghost color dark}}}}''<br /> |-<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Ally Switch|{{psychic color dark}}}}''<br /> |-<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Confusion|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|6}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{ghost color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Astonish|{{ghost color dark}}}}'''{{tt2|*|STAB only for Hoopa Confined|{{ghost color dark}}}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|10}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Trick|{{psychic color dark}}}}''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|15}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Light Screen|{{psychic color dark}}}}''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|19}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Psybeam|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|25}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Skill Swap|{{psychic color dark}}}}''<br /> |-<br /> | rowspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|29}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Power Split|{{psychic color dark}}}}''<br /> |-<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Guard Split|{{psychic color dark}}}}''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|35}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ghost color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Phantom Force|{{ghost color dark}}}}'''<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{unknown color light}}&quot; | {{color|{{unknown color dark}}|N/A}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|46}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Zen Headbutt|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Knock Off|{{dark color dark}}}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | rowspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|50}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Wonder Room|{{psychic color dark}}}}''<br /> |-<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Trick Room|{{psychic color dark}}}}''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|55}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ghost color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Shadow Ball|{{ghost color dark}}}}'''<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Dark Pulse|{{dark color dark}}}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|68}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color light}}&quot; | ''{{mcolor|Nasty Plot|{{dark color dark}}}}''<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{unknown color light}}&quot; | {{color|{{unknown color dark}}|N/A}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|75}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Psychic|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}&quot; | {{color|{{psychic color light}}|85}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Hyperspace Hole|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color light}}&quot; | '''{{mcolor|Hyperspace Fury|{{dark color dark}}}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | colspan=&quot;3&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color dark}}; color: #{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}&quot;| &lt;small&gt;Moves in '''bold''' are {{color2|{{psychic color light}}|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.&lt;/small&gt;<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Evolution data===<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;float:center; display:flex; flex-flow:row wrap;&quot;&gt;{{Evobox-1<br /> |type1=Psychic<br /> |type2=Ghost<br /> |pictype=art<br /> |no1=0720<br /> |name1=Hoopa<br /> |type1-1=Psychic<br /> |type2-1=Ghost}}&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Sprites===<br /> {{Incomplete|needs=Generation IX models}}{{Spritebox/Header|type=Psychic|type2=Ghost}}<br /> {{Spritebox/NA|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Spritebox/6/2FormsORAS|ndex=720|form1=U|crop=141}}<br /> {{Spritebox/7/2Forms|ndex=720|form1=U|crop=122}}<br /> {{Spritebox/NA|gen=VIII|is=yes}}<br /> &lt;!--{{Spritebox/9/2Forms|ndex=0720|form1=U}}--&gt;<br /> {{Spritebox/HOME/2Forms|ndex=0720|form1=U}}<br /> {{Spritebox/Footer|720|Hoopa}}<br /> <br /> ==In the anime==<br /> [[File:Hoopa anime.png|thumb|left|250px|Hoopa Confined in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]<br /> [[File:Hoopa Unbound anime.png|thumb|250px|Hoopa Unbound in the anime]]<br /> ===Major appearances===<br /> ====[[Hoopa (anime)]]====<br /> Hoopa Confined debuted in ''[[Hoopa's Surprise Ring Adventures]]'', a series of shorts in which it subjects {{Ash}} and {{AP|Pikachu}} to various acts of mischief. It later appeared in major roles in ''[[Hoopa — The Mischief Pokémon]]'' and ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]''. In the latter, it also transformed into Hoopa Unbound, which later served as a separate entity and the main antagonist.<br /> <br /> ===Minor appearances===<br /> A Hoopa appeared in its Confined Forme in ''[[PK27|Pikachu and the Pokémon Music Squad]]''.<br /> <br /> A Hoopa appeared in its Confined Forme in the opening sequence of ''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]''.<br /> <br /> A Hoopa made its main series debut in its Confined Forme in ''[[JN046|Getting More Than You Battled For!]]''.<br /> <br /> ==In the manga==<br /> [[File:Hoopa Adventures.png|thumb|left|200px|Hoopa Confined in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]<br /> [[File:Hoopa Unbound M18 manga.png|thumb|200px|Hoopa Unbound in the [[Hoopa and the Clash of Ages (manga)|movie adaptations]]]]<br /> ===Movie adaptations===<br /> {{main|Hoopa (anime)}}<br /> Hoopa appeared in both of its forms in ''{{ma|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages}}''.<br /> <br /> ===Pokémon Adventures===<br /> In ''[[PS602|Hoopa Distorts]]'', a silhouetted Hoopa was on the [[Sea Mauville]], causing trouble by attacking {{adv|Emerald}} and {{Steven}}. Later, after it was properly revealed in ''[[PS605|Swampert Smashes]]'', Hoopa took a liking to Emerald and began following him around.<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> {{main|Hoopa (TCG)}}<br /> <br /> ==Other appearances==<br /> [[File:UNITE Hoopa.png|150px|thumb|Hoopa in Pokémon UNITE]]<br /> ===[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]===<br /> Both Hoopa (Confined) and Hoopa (Unbound) appear as {{sbw|Spirits (characters)|Spirits}}.<br /> ===[[Pokémon UNITE]]===<br /> {{main|Hoopa (UNITE)}}<br /> Hoopa is playable through obtaining a Unite License. It is a ranged supporter that's mostly in its Confined Form, but can temporarily change into its Unbound Form after using its Unite Move.<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> * Hoopa Unbound has the highest base {{stat|Special Attack}} stat of all {{type|Dark}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.<br /> * Hoopa Unbound is tied with {{me|Gyarados}} for being the [[List of Pokémon by height|tallest]] {{type|Dark}} Pokémon.<br /> ** It is also the tallest and [[List of Pokémon by weight|heaviest]] [[Mythical Pokémon]].<br /> * Hoopa is the only [[Generation VI]] Pokémon to have different [[Pokédex]] entries between {{g|X and Y}} and {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}.<br /> * Hoopa Unbound is the only Pokémon with a {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 680|base stat total of 680}} that is not a [[Legendary Pokémon]].<br /> * In Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, the &quot;mysterious rings&quot; in [[mirage spot]]s, from which Pokémon jump out when interacted with, resemble rings used by Hoopa.<br /> <br /> ===Origin===<br /> Hoopa Confined may have been inspired by common depictions of {{wp|jinn|djinn}}. The rings around its wrists could have been inspired by the djinn in the story of {{wp|Aladdin}}.<br /> <br /> Hoopa Unbound could be specifically be inspired by {{wp|Ifrit}}, powerful djinn or {{wp|demon}}s, which are often depicted as malicious, or {{wp|Marid}}, evil djinn or {{wp|devil}}s, which according to some stories do the exact opposite of what they are commanded to do. Its six arms may be drawn from certain {{wp|Hindu deities}}, who were often depicted with multiple arms. It may also be based on the {{wp|Gegenees}}, who were a tribe of six-armed giants who fought the {{wp|Argonauts}} in {{wp|Greek mythology}}. Its tail and horns may also derive from common depictions of demons, the circle motif thus may be inspired by {{wp|magic circle|summoning circles}}.<br /> <br /> Hoopa's relationship with the [[Prison Bottle]] is similar to the djinn's with its lamp in traditional Arabian stories, since its full power is sealed within its respective vessel. Hoopa only being able to maintain its Unbound state for three days parallels the limit to the number of wishes a djinn can grant to its current master.<br /> <br /> Both forms of Hoopa could also be partly based on the legend of {{wp|Nezha}}, a deity worshiped in {{wp|Taoism}} and {{wp|Chinese folk religion}} and commonly referred to as a trickster deity and a worldly protector. Very much like Hoopa Unbound, Nezha is depicted holding rings and is sometimes depicted with multiple arms.<br /> <br /> ====Name origin====<br /> Hoopa may be derived from ''hoop''. It may also involve ''hoopla'' (something loud, attention-grabbing, and possibly misleading); or ''OOPArt'' (Out-of-place artifacts).<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Other languages|type=psychic|type2=Ghost<br /> |ja=フーパ ''Hoopa''|jameaning=From ''hoop'' and possibly ''hoopla'' or &quot;OOPArt&quot;<br /> |fr=Hoopa|frmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name<br /> |es=Hoopa|esmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name<br /> |de=Hoopa|demeaning=Same as English/Japanese name<br /> |it=Hoopa|itmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name<br /> |ko=후파 ''Hoopa''|komeaning=Transcription of Japanese name<br /> |zh_cmn=胡帕 ''Húpà''|zh_cmnmeaning=From the transcription of its Japanese name and possibly {{tt|胡 ''hú''|recklessly}}<br /> |zh_yue=胡帕 ''Wùhpaak''|zh_yuemeaning=From the Mandarin-based transcription of Japanese name and possibly {{tt|胡 ''wùh''|recklessly}}<br /> |el=Χούπα ''Khoúpa''|elmeaning=Transcription of English name<br /> |hi=हूपा ''Hoopa''|himeaning=Transcription of English/Japanese name<br /> |ru=Хуппа ''Khuppa''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name<br /> |th=ฮูปา ''Hupa''|thmeaning=Transcription of Japanese name<br /> }}<br /> {{-}}<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;<br /> ''Hoopa Confined''<br /> {{langtable<br /> |color={{psychic color}}|bordercolor={{ghost color}}<br /> |ja=いましめられしフーパ ''{{tt|Imashimerareshi|Bound}} Hoopa''<br /> |zh_yue=懲戒胡帕 ''{{tt|Chìhnggaai Wùhpaak|Disciplined Hoopa}}''<br /> |zh_cmn=懲戒胡帕 / 惩戒胡帕 ''{{tt|Chéngjiè Húpà|Disciplined Hoopa}}''<br /> |da=<br /> |fr=Hoopa Enchaîné<br /> |de=Gebanntes Hoopa<br /> |hi=हूपा कंफ़ाइन ''Hoopa Confine''<br /> |id=Hoopa Terbatas<br /> |it=Hoopa Vincolato<br /> |ko=굴레에 빠진 후파 {{tt|''Gullee Bbajin Hoopa''|Hoopa in a Bound}}<br /> |ms=Hoopa Terkurung<br /> |no=<br /> |pt_br=Hoopa Contido<br /> |ru=Заключенный Хуппа ''{{tt|Zaklyuchennyy Khuppa|Prisoner Hoopa}}''<br /> |es=Hoopa Contenido<br /> |th=ฮูปาร่างถูกผนึก ''Hupa Rangthukphanuek''<br /> |tr=Mahsur Hoopa<br /> }}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;<br /> ''Hoopa Unbound''<br /> {{langtable<br /> |color={{psychic color}}|bordercolor={{dark color}}<br /> |ja=ときはなたれしフーパ ''{{tt|Tokihanatareshi|Released}} Hoopa''<br /> |zh_yue=解放胡帕 ''{{tt|Gáaifong Wùhpaak|Released Hoopa}}''<br /> |zh_cmn=解放胡帕 ''{{tt|Jiěfàng Húpà|Released Hoopa}}''<br /> |da=Frie Hoopa<br /> |fr=Hoopa Déchaîné<br /> |de=Entfesseltes Hoopa<br /> |hi=हूपा अनबाउंड ''Hoopa Unbound''<br /> |id=Hoopa Bebas<br /> |it=Hoopa Libero<br /> |ko=굴레를 벗어난 후파 {{tt|''Gullereul Beoseonan Hoopa''|Hoopa Taken Out of the Bound}}<br /> |ms=Hoopa Bebas<br /> |no=Ubundne Hoopa<br /> |pt_br=Hoopa Libertado<br /> |ru=Свободный Хуппа ''{{tt|Svobodnyy Khuppa|Free Hoopa}}''<br /> |es=Hoopa Desatado<br /> |th=ฮูปาร่างปลดปล่อย ''Hupa Rangplotploi''<br /> |tr=Serbest Hoopa<br /> }}<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Related articles==<br /> * [[Hoopa (anime)]]<br /> * [[Hoopa (UNITE)]]<br /> * [[List of Pokémon with form differences]]<br /> * [[Mythical Pokémon]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> <br /> {{Mythical Pokémon}}<br /> {{EventExclusive}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Psychic|type2=ghost}}<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Psychic|prevnum=0719|prev=Diancie|nextnum=0721|next=Volcanion}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Project Pokédex notice}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Body style 06 Pokémon]]&lt;!--Hoopa Unbound--&gt;<br /> [[Category:Mythical Pokémon]]<br /> [[Category:Promotion-only Pokémon]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Hoopa]]<br /> [[es:Hoopa]]<br /> [[fr:Hoopa]]<br /> [[it:Hoopa]]<br /> [[ja:フーパ]]<br /> [[zh:胡帕]]</div>

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<p>JadedArts: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Search|original game player character whose name was initially Satoshi|his anime counterpart named Satoshi in Japan|Ash Ketchum}} ''For the game paired with Pokémon Green Version, see [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]]. For the game paired with Pokémon Blue Version, see [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]].''<br /> {{Character Infobox<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |corecolor={{red color light}}<br /> |name=Red<br /> |jname=レッド<br /> |tmname=Red<br /> |text=fff<br /> |image=Lets Go Pikachu Eevee Red.png<br /> |size=250px<br /> |caption=Artwork from [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu!, Let's Go, Eevee!]] by [[Megumi Mizutani]]&lt;ref&gt;[[a:File:RedChallengeUnbrokenBonds184.jpg|Red's Challenge (Unbroken Bonds 184)]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> |age=11{{sup/1|RG}}{{sup/1|B}}{{sup/1|Y}}{{sup/3|FRLG}} &lt;ref name=&quot;RBGY age&quot;/&gt;&lt;br&gt;14{{sup/2|GSC}}{{sup/4|HGSS}} &lt;ref name=&quot;GSC age&quot;/&gt;&lt;br&gt;30+{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} &lt;ref name=&quot;SMUSUM age&quot;/&gt;<br /> |gender=Male<br /> |eyes=Black{{tt|*|Generation I}}, Brown{{tt|*|Generation III onwards}}, Gray{{tt|*|Let's Go}}<br /> |hair=Black{{tt|*|Generation I, Let's Go}}, Brown{{tt|*|Generation III onwards}}<br /> |hometown=[[Pallet Town]]<br /> |region=[[Kanto]]<br /> |relatives={{ka|Mom}}, unnamed father<br /> }}<br /> {{Character Infobox/Game<br /> |color={{red color light}}<br /> |gen={{gen|I}}, {{gen|II}}, {{gen|III}}, {{gen|IV}}, {{gen|V}}, {{gen|VII}}, {{gen|VIII}}, {{gen|IX}}<br /> |counterpart=[[Red (Masters)]]<br /> |games={{game3|Red and Blue|Red, Green, Blue|s}}, {{v2|Yellow}}, {{game3|Gold and Silver|Gold, Silver|s}}, {{v2|Crystal}}, {{game3|FireRed and LeafGreen|FireRed, LeafGreen|s}}, {{game3|HeartGold and SoulSilver|HeartGold, SoulSilver|s}}, {{B2W2|Black 2, White 2}}, {{pkmn|Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon}}, {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, Ultra Moon}}, [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu!, Let's Go, Eevee!]]&lt;br&gt;{{pkmn|Stadium 2}}, {{pkmn|Colosseum}}, {{Pokémon XD}}, {{pkmn|Masters EX}}<br /> |trainer=[[Pokémon Trainer]]&lt;br&gt;[[player character]]{{sup/1|RG}}{{sup/1|B}}{{sup/1|Y}}{{sup/3|FRLG}}&lt;br&gt;{{tc|Battle Legend}}{{sup/7|SMUSUM}}<br /> |enva=Brandon Winckler&lt;ref name=&quot;Brandon Winckler&quot;&gt;[https://www.facebook.com/BrandonWincklerVA/posts/2304333232997161/ Brandon Winckler on Facebook]&lt;/ref&gt; &lt;small&gt;({{pkmn|Masters EX}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> |jpva=Shouta Aoi &lt;small&gt;({{pkmn|Masters EX}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> }}<br /> {{Character Infobox/Team<br /> |color={{red color light}}<br /> |member=[[Indigo League]]<br /> |rank=[[Pokémon Champion|Champion]]<br /> }}<br /> {{Character Infobox/Anime<br /> |color={{red color light}}<br /> |series=''[[Pokémon the Series]]'', ''[[Pokémon Origins]]'', ''[[Pokémon Generations]]'', ''[[POKÉTOON]]'', ''[[Pokémon Evolutions]]''<br /> |counterpart=[[Ash Ketchum]], [[Red (Origins)]]<br /> |debut=''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'' (''Pokémon the Series'')&lt;br&gt;''[[PO01|File 1: Red]]'' (''Pokémon Origins'')&lt;br&gt;''[[PG01|The Adventure]]'' (''Pokémon Generations'')&lt;br&gt;''[[PT02|The Pancham Who Wants to Be a Hero]]'' (''POKÉTOON'')&lt;br&gt;''[[PE08|The Discovery]]'' (''Pokémon Evolutions'')<br /> |enva=[[Veronica Taylor]] &lt;small&gt;([[EP001]]-[[AG145]])&lt;/small&gt;, [[Sarah Natochenny]] &lt;small&gt;([[AG146]]-[[JN147]], [[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon|MoMP]] re-dub)&lt;/small&gt;, [[Kayzie Rogers|Jamie Peacock]] &lt;small&gt;(MoMP original dub) &lt;/small&gt;(''Pokémon the Series'')&lt;br&gt;Bryce Papenbrook (''Pokémon Origins'')<br /> |jpva=[[Rica Matsumoto]] (''Pokémon the Series'')&lt;br&gt;[[Junko Takeuchi]] &lt;small&gt;(''Pokémon Origins'')&lt;/small&gt;<br /> }}<br /> {{Character Infobox/Manga<br /> |color={{red color light}}<br /> |series=''[[Pokémon Adventures]]'', ''[[Pocket Monsters HGSS Jō's Big Adventure]]'', ''[[Pokémon: Yeah! I Got Pokémon!]]'', ''[[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]]'' series, ''[[Pokémon Zensho]]''<br /> |counterpart=[[Red (Adventures)]], [[Shu]], [[Red (Pocket Monsters)]], [[Red (Ruby-Sapphire)]], [[Satoshi (Zensho)]]<br /> |debut=''[[PS001|A Glimpse of the Glow]]'' &lt;small&gt;({{pkmn|Adventures}})&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;''[[JBA6|The True Road to Becoming the Strongest!!]]'' &lt;small&gt;([[Pocket Monsters HGSS Jō's Big Adventure|JBA]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;''[[GDZ01|Shu and Pikachu's Debut!]]'' &lt;small&gt;([[Pokémon: Yeah! I Got Pokémon!|GCEM]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;''[[PM001|Introducing the Pokémon Clefairy!!]]'' &lt;small&gt;([[Pokémon Pocket Monsters|PPM]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;''[[PMRS23|A Formidable Rival!]]'' &lt;small&gt;([[Pokémon Ruby-Sapphire|PRS]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;''[[PZ01|Prologue: Masara Town]]'' &lt;small&gt;({{pkmn|Zensho}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> }}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> '''Red''' (Japanese: '''{{j|レッド}}''' ''Red'') is the {{player|player character}} in the [[Generation I]] games [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Pokémon Red, Green]], [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]], and {{v2|Yellow}} and the male choice in their [[Generation III]] remakes {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, where his female counterpart is {{ga|Leaf}}.<br /> <br /> Red is known throughout the [[Pokémon world]] as the {{pkmn|Champion}} from [[Pallet Town]], as well as a living legend for his defeat of [[Team Rocket]] in [[Kanto]] during his quest. He is the final opponent in the [[Generation II]] games {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, their [[Generation IV]] remakes {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, and {{g|Stadium 2}}. He is a participant in the [[Pokémon World Tournament]]'s [[Champions Tournament]] in {{B2W2}} and works as a boss of the [[Battle Tree]] alongside {{ga|Blue}} in the [[Generation VII]] games {{pkmn|Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon}}, {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon}}. In [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]], he appears as the highest-level Trainer in the game, capable of being challenged after defeating six [[Master Trainer]]s.<br /> <br /> ==Terminology==<br /> [[File:Yellow manual story.jpg|thumb|200px|Red named イエロー (''Yellow'') in the manual of Pokémon Yellow]]<br /> [[File:Red playing card.jpg|thumb|150px|Red named グリーン (''Green'') on a [[Pokémon playing cards|playing card]] from the Pokémon Green deck released in Japan]]<br /> [[File:GameFreak 1997 fanbook MC Satoshi.jpg|thumb|152px|Red named サトシ (''Satoshi'') by Game Freak]]<br /> [[File:Ash Gary game.png|thumb|160px|Red and Blue called &quot;Ash&quot; and &quot;Gary&quot; in the Nintendo Power guide]]<br /> <br /> While he had various names in [[Generation I]], from [[Generation II]] onwards he is referred to as '''Red''' (Japanese: '''{{j|レッド}}''' ''Red'') in several [[core series]] games where he appears as a [[non-player character]], in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], and he is known by {{mas|Red|the same name}} in [[Pokémon Masters EX]]. He is also known by this name in the game data of [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon FireRed, LeafGreen]], and [[Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald]], but this is not seen in normal gameplay. He was named after the [[Generation I]] game [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red]].<br /> <br /> In the player's story as seen in the Japanese game manuals from [[Generation I]], the player name refers to the name of the current game: '''{{j|レッド}}'''{{sup/1|R}}, '''{{j|グリーン}}'''{{sup/1|G}}, '''{{j|ブルー}}'''{{sup/1|B}}, or '''{{j|イエロー}}'''{{sup/1|Y}} (''Red'', ''Green'', ''Blue'', or ''Yellow''). However, this was adapted as &quot;'''you'''&quot; instead in the English version. For instance:<br /> <br /> * In the Japanese manuals of the Generation I games:<br /> *:「'''レッド'''({{ruby|主人公|しゅじんこう}})は11{{ruby|歳|さい}}」 ('''''Red''' (player character) is 11 years old.''){{sup/1|R}}<br /> *:「'''グリーン'''({{ruby|主人公|しゅじんこう}})は11{{ruby|歳|さい}}」 ('''''Green''' (player character) is 11 years old.''){{sup/1|G}}<br /> *:「'''ブルー'''({{ruby|主人公|しゅじんこう}})は11{{ruby|歳|さい}}」 ('''''Blue''' (player character) is 11 years old.''){{sup/1|B}}<br /> *:「'''イエロー'''({{ruby|主人公|しゅじんこう}})は11{{ruby|歳|さい}}」 ('''''Yellow''' (player character) is 11 years old.''){{sup/1|Y}}<br /> * In the English manuals (except his age is not mentioned in Pokémon Yellow's English manual):<br /> *: ''&quot;'''You''' are an 11-old boy [...]&quot;''{{sup/1|RB}}<br /> <br /> In the Japanese {{pkmn|playing cards}}, he is named '''{{j|レッド}}''' (''Red'') in the Pokémon Red deck and '''{{j|グリーン}}''' (''Green'') in the Pokémon Green deck. The text {{ruby|主人公|しゅじんこう}} (''player character'') also appears on his card from both the Red and Green decks. However, in the Pokémon Blue and Yellow decks released later, he is unnamed and simply referred to with this Japanese text meaning &quot;player character&quot;.<br /> <br /> In some game screenshots from the English manuals, the male player character is named '''Blue'''{{sup/1|RB}}, '''{{Ash}}'''{{sup/1|Y}}, '''Red'''{{sup/3|FR}}, or '''Green'''{{sup/3|LG}} (while the {{ga|Leaf|female player character}} is named Fire{{sup/3|FR}} or Leaf{{sup/3|LG}}).<br /> <br /> He was also named '''Ash''' (Japanese: '''{{j|サトシ}}''' ''Satoshi'') in some early official media, sharing the name of {{Ash|his anime counterpart}}. This is also found in the list of default names. The Japanese version is also the name of the [[Satoshi Tajiri|creator of the franchise]] and one of Red's default names.<br /> * In the ''Official Fan Book of Pocket Monsters'' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスター公式ファンブック}}''') from 1997, the player is named '''サトシ''' (''Satoshi'') according to [[Game Freak]], in which his appearance (as well as [[Professor Oak]] and [[Giovanni]]) in the then-upcoming {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} games was teased.&lt;ref&gt;[http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/b5.html ボツポケモン応援隊] ([https://archive.is/JR0Yn archived copy])&lt;/ref&gt; This may indicate that this name was originally considered for this game character.<br /> * In ''[[Pokémon: Official Nintendo Player's Guide]]'' (Nintendo Power, 1998), the player is named '''Ash''' (while the rival is named Gary at this point).<br /> * In ''[[Pokémon Gold and Silver: Official Nintendo Player's Guide]]'' (Nintendo Power, 2000), he is usually named '''Red''' in several sections explaining the story and mechanics of the games, except he is also named '''Ash''' at some point. In ''[[Pokémon Crystal: Official Nintendo Player's Guide]]'' (Nintendo Power, 2001), some content was reused but the name &quot;Ash&quot; was edited out:<br /> *: ''&quot;Pokémon Gold &amp; Silver also feature the world of Kanto, which '''Ash''' explored in Pokémon Red, Blue and Yellow.&quot;'' (Pokémon Gold and Silver guidebook, page 4)<br /> *: ''&quot;Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal also feature the world of Kanto, which '''originally appeared''' in Pokémon Red, Blue and Yellow.&quot;'' (Pokémon Crystal guidebook, page 4)<br /> <br /> In the [[Super Smash Bros. series]], the male version of the character known only as &quot;{{OBP|Pokémon Trainer|Super Smash Bros.}}&quot; is based on Red.<br /> <br /> He is also known by some other placeholder names, which are stored in the game data but not available in normal gameplay: '''[[Nintendo|Ninten]]'''{{sup/1|RBY}} (Japanese: '''やまぐち''' ''Yamaguchi''{{sup/1|RG}}; '''ゲーフリ''' ''Gēfuri''{{sup/1|B}}; '''ゲーフリ1''' ''Gēfuri1''{{sup/1|Y}}). At least in Generation I, there are some hidden game mechanics that would display this name, therefore it should become visible if some {{wp|Random-access memory|RAM}} {{wp|memory address|addresses}} were changed.&lt;ref&gt;[http://acmlm.kafuka.org/board/thread.php?pid=18912#18912 Intresting and funny in Pokemon Red Acmlmboard]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> * The English &quot;'''Ninten'''&quot; is short for [[Nintendo]], while the rival's placeholder name is &quot;Sony&quot; in those games. This references the fact that in the years surrounding the releases of the Generation I games, Sony was Nintendo's main competition. {{wb|Ninten}} is also the default name of the main protagonist of {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}, a game developed by [[Creatures, Inc.]].<br /> * The Japanese '''やまぐち''' (''Yamaguchi'') refers to Wataru Yamaguchi, an art director that worked on the original games.<br /> * The Japanese '''ゲーフリ''' (''Gēfuri'') and '''ゲーフリ1''' (''Gēfuri1'') refer to [[Game Freak]] (Japanese: ゲームフリーク ''Gēmu Furīku'').<br /> <br /> In some screenshots of Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen on the Japanese website pokemon.co.jp, the player is named '''オサム''' (''Osamu'').&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/gba/fl/item.html ポケットモンスター ファイアレッド・リーフグリーン - Pokémon.co.jp]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In the Spanish version of FireRed, LeafGreen, and Emerald, his placeholder name has the syllables reversed: he is known as &quot;Joro&quot; instead of &quot;Rojo&quot; (while his {{ga|Leaf|female counterpart}} is known as &quot;Jaho&quot; instead of &quot;Hoja&quot;).<br /> <br /> ==In the core series games==<br /> {{spoilers}}<br /> Red is introduced as a curious 11-year-old boy from [[Pallet Town]]. According to the instruction manuals of {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}}, Red gained an interest in Pokémon after his best friend, {{ga|Blue}}, stopped playing with him and became a bully, although in the games [[Professor Oak]] says the two have been rivals since infancy. His adventure begins one day when Professor Oak calls the two to his lab for a [[first partner Pokémon]]. Red has a choice of a {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, or {{p|Squirtle}}{{sup/1|G}}{{sup/1|RB}}{{sup/3|FRLG}}. Depending on the Pokémon that Red chooses, Blue will choose the Pokémon that has a type advantage over it{{sup/1|G}}{{sup/1|RB}}{{sup/3|FRLG}}. In {{game|Yellow}}, Red was originally intended to get an {{p|Eevee}}, which was swiped by Blue. As a result, Blue keeps the Eevee and Red receives a {{OBP|Pikachu|Yellow}} that Professor Oak caught earlier{{sup/1|Y}}. Blue challenges Red to a battle immediately to test out his new Pokémon, thinking he will easily beat Red.<br /> <br /> After Red has made his way to [[Viridian City]] to the north and taken [[Parcel|a package]] back to Oak in Pallet Town, Oak gives Red and Blue each a [[Pokédex]] with which to record data on all known Pokémon in the Kanto region to fulfill Oak's dream of creating a full guide on all Pokémon in Kanto. From here, Red and Blue journey across Kanto, collecting Pokémon to build up their teams, and defeating each of the [[Gym Leader]]s in turn, with Blue always one step ahead, showing up from time to time to impede Red's progress.<br /> <br /> Red also comes across a gang of Pokémon thieves, [[Team Rocket]], several times through his journey. He first encounters them trying to steal fossils within Mt. Moon. Then he encounters a member who is running the Nugget Bridge challenge to recruit for the organization on {{rt|24|Kanto}}; and another lone member who has stolen a [[TM]] from a family in [[Cerulean City]]. Eventually, Red uncovers a plot by Team Rocket, infiltrating their [[Team Rocket Hideout|hideout]] beneath the [[Celadon Game Corner]] and encountering their boss, [[Giovanni]]. Defeating him and ousting Team Rocket from Celadon, Red uses the [[Silph Scope]] that Giovanni leaves behind to battle {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon and save [[Mr. Fuji]] in the [[Pokémon Tower]] in [[Lavender Town]], who is being held hostage by Team Rocket. Red soon journeys into Saffron City in the heart of Kanto to find it overrun by Team Rocket, who is attempting to take the recently invented [[Master Ball]] from the [[Silph Co.]] President, and defeats Giovanni again, ending the group's plots for the time being.<br /> <br /> With seven Badges in hand, Red encounters Giovanni for the final time—this time as the [[Gym Leader|Leader]] of the [[Viridian Gym]], his final obstacle before the [[Elite Four]] of [[Indigo Plateau]]. Red defeats him in battle, earning his eighth and final Badge—the {{Badge|Earth}}. He disbands Team Rocket, promising to go into solo training to become a better Trainer.<br /> <br /> Making it through {{ka|Victory Road}} and finally to Indigo Plateau, Red challenges the [[Indigo League]]. First, he defeats the Elite Four and discovers, to his surprise, that Blue has defeated them before him and is therefore the {{pkmn|Champion}} of Kanto. Red defeats Blue in the final battle, becoming the Champion himself, but then continues his training, rather than staying at Indigo Plateau. Encountering an offshoot of Team Rocket in the southern [[Sevii Islands]], lead by Executive [[Archer]], Red reveals with his Earth Badge that Giovanni has disbanded the organization, and, though defeated, the group there intends to revive Team Rocket and bring Giovanni back, having already made plans to force Pokémon to evolve with radio waves.<br /> <br /> Red continues as a wandering Trainer, eventually making his way to [[Mt. Silver Cave]], where he trains his Pokémon alone. In the process, he becomes so distant from the people close to him that he does not even talk to his mom via phone anymore.<br /> <br /> Eventually, {{ga|Ethan}}, {{ga|Kris}}, or {{ga|Lyra}} arrives at Mt. Silver Cave and challenges Red, identified only as a [[Pokémon Trainer]]. If defeated, Red vanishes from Mt. Silver, and returns every time the Elite Four is defeated again by the player of Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, or SoulSilver.<br /> <br /> In {{B2W2}}, Red is shown to finally come back into public life, as he enters the [[Champions Tournament]] of the [[Pokémon World Tournament]] in the [[Unova]] region. In [[Pokémon Sun and Moon|Pokémon Sun, Moon]], {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon}}, a visibly older Red is invited to work as the boss of [[Alola]]'s [[Battle Tree]] along with Blue. When {{ga|Elio}} or {{ga|Selene}} first visits the Battle Tree, they will encounter Red and Blue and battle one of them. After Red{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} or Blue{{sup/7|USUM}} is defeated at the Battle Tree proper, Red will reward the player with a full set of Kanto first partner Pokémon [[Mega Stone]]s.<br /> <br /> Red makes an appearance in [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]. In this continuity, he and Blue completed their journeys and defeated the Elite Four years before the player character started their journey. If the player has defeated at least six [[Master Trainer]]s and has six Pokémon in their [[party]], Red can be found in front of the Pokémon League building at Indigo Plateau, where he may be challenged to a battle. Like during all Master Trainer battles, the player isn't allowed to use [[item]]s from their [[Bag]] during this battle. After being defeated, Red will grant the player the title of [[Pokémon Master|Battle Master]] before leaving, though he will reappear for a [[rematch]] each time the player defeats the Elite Four.<br /> <br /> ===Pokémon===<br /> As the player character, Red can have on his team any of the 151 Pokémon available during [[Generation I]]. In [[Generation III]], he can have any of the 386 Pokémon available at that time, though only after the player has obtained the [[National Pokédex]].<br /> <br /> When he is encountered as an opponent in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]], Red has a set team, based on Generation I in-game event Pokémon, and has the highest leveled trained Pokémon yet encountered in the series, with his {{TP|Red|Pikachu}} at level 81 in Generation II and at level 88 in Generation IV. In HeartGold and SoulSilver, when he is defeated, all Pokémon in the player's party receive the {{DL|List of Ribbons in the games|Legend Ribbon}}.<br /> <br /> In {{B2W2}}, he can be fought in the [[Pokémon World Tournament]]'s [[Champions Tournament]], using the same team he did in Generation IV, albeit with different movesets.<br /> <br /> In [[Pokémon Sun and Moon|Pokémon Sun, Moon]], {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon}}, Red once again uses his team from Generation IV, just with altered movesets. When battled in the [[Battle Tree]] proper, Red will use a randomly selected team from a preset selection of Pokémon.<br /> <br /> In [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]], Red's team has notable differences to his previous [[core series]] teams, replacing {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Blastoise}} which now appear as the highest levelled Pokémon in {{ga|Blue}} and {{ga|Green}}'s teams respectively.<br /> <br /> ===={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}====<br /> Red uses two [[Full Restore]]s.<br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |sprite=Spr GS Red.png<br /> |prize={{PDollar}}7700<br /> |class={{PK}}{{MN}} Trainer<br /> |classlink=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |name=Red<br /> |game=GSC<br /> |location=Mt. Silver Cave<br /> |locationname=Silver Cave<br /> |pokemon=6}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |game=Crystal<br /> |ndex=025<br /> |pokemon=Pikachu<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=81<br /> |type1=Electric<br /> |move1=Charm|move1type=Normal<br /> |move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal<br /> |move3=Thunderbolt|move3type=Electric<br /> |move4=Thunder|move4type=Electric}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |game=Crystal<br /> |ndex=196<br /> |pokemon=Espeon<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=73<br /> |type1=Psychic<br /> |move1=Mud-Slap|move1type=Ground<br /> |move2=Swift|move2type=Normal<br /> |move3=Reflect|move3type=Psychic<br /> |move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |game=Crystal<br /> |ndex=143<br /> |pokemon=Snorlax<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=75<br /> |type1=Normal<br /> |move1=Amnesia|move1type=Psychic<br /> |move2=Snore|move2type=Normal<br /> |move3=Rest|move3type=Psychic<br /> |move4=Body Slam|move4type=Normal}}<br /> {{Party/Div|color={{red color}}}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |game=Crystal<br /> |ndex=003<br /> |pokemon=Venusaur<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=77<br /> |type1=Grass|type2=Poison<br /> |move1=Sunny Day|move1type=Fire<br /> |move2=Giga Drain|move2type=Grass<br /> |move3=Synthesis|move3type=Grass<br /> |move4=SolarBeam|move4type=Grass}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |game=Crystal<br /> |ndex=006<br /> |pokemon=Charizard<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=77<br /> |type1=Fire|type2=Flying<br /> |move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire<br /> |move2=Wing Attack|move2type=Flying<br /> |move3=Slash|move3type=Normal<br /> |move4=Fire Spin|move4type=Fire}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |game=Crystal<br /> |ndex=009<br /> |pokemon=Blastoise<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=77<br /> |type1=Water<br /> |move1=Rain Dance|move1type=Water<br /> |move2=Blizzard|move2type=Ice<br /> |move3=Surf|move3type=Water<br /> |move4=Whirlpool|move4type=Water}}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ===={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}====<br /> Red uses four [[Full Restore]]s.<br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |sprite=Spr HGSS Red.png<br /> |prize={{PDollar}}16800<br /> |class={{PK}}{{MN}} Trainer<br /> |classlink=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |name=Red<br /> |game=HGSS<br /> |location=Mt. Silver Cave<br /> |pokemon=6}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/4<br /> |game=HeartGold<br /> |ndex=025<br /> |pokemon=Pikachu<br /> |gender=male<br /> |spritegender=male<br /> |type1=Electric<br /> |ability=Static<br /> |held=Light Ball<br /> |level=88<br /> |move1=Volt Tackle|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Iron Tail|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Thunderbolt|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/4<br /> |ndex=131<br /> |pokemon=Lapras<br /> |gender=male<br /> |game=HeartGold<br /> |type1=Water|type2=Ice<br /> |ability=Shell Armor<br /> |level=80<br /> |move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Brine|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Blizzard|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/4<br /> |ndex=143<br /> |pokemon=Snorlax<br /> |gender=male<br /> |game=HeartGold<br /> |type1=Normal<br /> |ability=Thick Fat<br /> |level=82<br /> |move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Blizzard|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Giga Impact|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}<br /> {{Party/Div|color={{red color}}}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/4<br /> |ndex=003<br /> |pokemon=Venusaur<br /> |gender=male<br /> |spritegender=male<br /> |game=HeartGold<br /> |type1=Grass|type2=Poison<br /> |ability=Overgrow<br /> |level=84<br /> |move1=Frenzy Plant|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Giga Drain|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Sludge Bomb|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Sleep Powder|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/4<br /> |ndex=006<br /> |pokemon=Charizard<br /> |gender=male<br /> |game=HeartGold<br /> |type1=Fire|type2=Flying<br /> |ability=Blaze<br /> |level=84<br /> |move1=Blast Burn|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Air Slash|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Dragon Pulse|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/4<br /> |ndex=009<br /> |pokemon=Blastoise<br /> |gender=male<br /> |game=HeartGold<br /> |type1=Water<br /> |ability=Torrent<br /> |level=84<br /> |move1=Hydro Cannon|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Blizzard|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Flash Cannon|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Focus Blast|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Special}}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ===={{B2W2}}====<br /> Red uses three of these Pokémon in [[Pokémon battle|Single Battles]], four in [[Double Battle|Double]] and [[Rotation Battle]]s, and all six in [[Triple Battle]]s.<br /> <br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |sprite=Spr B2W2 Red.png<br /> |prize=1{{color2|000|Battle Point|BP}}<br /> |class={{PK}}{{MN}} Trainer<br /> |classlink=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |name=Red<br /> |location=Pokémon World Tournament<br /> |game=B2W2<br /> |pokemon=6}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/5<br /> |game=Black 2<br /> |ndex=025 {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=m|1=f}}<br /> |pokemon=Pikachu<br /> |gender=both<br /> |level=50<br /> |type1=Electric<br /> |ability=Static<br /> |held=Light Ball<br /> |move1=Volt Tackle|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Iron Tail|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Brick Break|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Fake Out|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/5<br /> |game=Black 2<br /> |ndex=003 {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=m|1=f}}<br /> |pokemon=Venusaur<br /> |gender=both<br /> |level=50<br /> |type1=Grass|type2=Poison<br /> |ability=Overgrow<br /> |held=White Herb<br /> |move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Sleep Powder|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/5<br /> |game=Black 2<br /> |ndex=006<br /> |pokemon=Charizard<br /> |gender=both<br /> |level=50<br /> |type1=Fire|type2=Flying<br /> |ability=Blaze<br /> |held=Focus Sash<br /> |move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Focus Blast|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Air Slash|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Dragon Pulse|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Special}}<br /> {{Party/Div|color={{red color}}}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/5<br /> |game=Black 2<br /> |ndex=009<br /> |pokemon=Blastoise<br /> |gender=both<br /> |level=50<br /> |type1=Water<br /> |ability=Torrent<br /> |held=Choice Scarf<br /> |move1=Water Spout|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Hydro Pump|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Blizzard|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Focus Blast|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/5<br /> |game=Black 2<br /> |ndex=143<br /> |pokemon=Snorlax<br /> |gender=both<br /> |level=50<br /> |type1=Normal<br /> |ability=Immunity|ability2=Thick Fat<br /> |held=Quick Claw<br /> |move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Seed Bomb|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Physical}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/5<br /> |game=Black 2<br /> |ndex=131<br /> |pokemon=Lapras<br /> |gender=both<br /> |level=50<br /> |type1=Water|type2=Ice<br /> |ability=Water Absorb|ability2=Shell Armor<br /> |held=Sitrus Berry<br /> |move1=Ice Beam|move1type=Ice|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Hydro Pump|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Ice Shard|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Thunderbolt|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Special}}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ===={{pkmn|Sun and Moon|Pokémon Sun, Moon}}, {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon}}====<br /> =====First possible battle=====<br /> ======Pokémon Sun and Moon======<br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |sprite=VSRed.png<br /> |size=150px<br /> |prize={{PDollar}}18,480<br /> |class=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |classlink=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |name=Red<br /> |game=SM<br /> |location=Battle Tree<br /> |pokemon=6}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=025<br /> |pokemon=Pikachu<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=70<br /> |type1=Electric<br /> |ability=Static<br /> |held=Light Ball<br /> |move1=Volt Tackle|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Light Screen|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Status<br /> |move4=Nuzzle|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=003<br /> |pokemon=Venusaur<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=66<br /> |type1=Grass|type2=Poison<br /> |ability=Overgrow<br /> |move1=Bulldoze|move1type=Ground|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Leech Seed|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status<br /> |move3=Leaf Storm|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Sludge Bomb|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=006<br /> |pokemon=Charizard<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=66<br /> |type1=Fire|type2=Flying<br /> |ability=Blaze<br /> |move1=Will-O-Wisp|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Status<br /> |move2=Fire Blast|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Air Slash|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Focus Blast|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Special}}<br /> {{Party/Div|color={{red color}}}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=009<br /> |pokemon=Blastoise<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=66<br /> |type1=Water<br /> |ability=Torrent<br /> |move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Flash Cannon|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Dark Pulse|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Ice Beam|move4type=Ice|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=131<br /> |pokemon=Lapras<br /> |gender=female<br /> |level=65<br /> |type1=Water|type2=Ice<br /> |ability=Water Absorb<br /> |move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Blizzard|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Ice Shard|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=143<br /> |pokemon=Snorlax<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=65<br /> |type1=Normal<br /> |ability=Thick Fat<br /> |move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Heavy Slam|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=High&amp;nbsp;Horsepower|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Body Slam|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ======Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon======<br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |sprite=VSRed.png<br /> |size=150px<br /> |prize={{PDollar}}19,600<br /> |class=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |classlink=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |name=Red<br /> |game=USUM<br /> |location=Battle Tree<br /> |pokemon=6}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=025<br /> |pokemon=Pikachu<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=74<br /> |type1=Electric<br /> |ability=Static<br /> |held=Light Ball<br /> |move1=Volt Tackle|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Light Screen|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Status<br /> |move4=Nuzzle|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=003<br /> |pokemon=Venusaur<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=70<br /> |type1=Grass|type2=Poison<br /> |ability=Overgrow<br /> |move1=Earthquake|move1type=Ground|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Leech Seed|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status<br /> |move3=Leaf Storm|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Sludge Bomb|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=006<br /> |pokemon=Charizard<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=70<br /> |type1=Fire|type2=Flying<br /> |ability=Blaze<br /> |move1=Will-O-Wisp|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Status<br /> |move2=Fire Blast|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Air Slash|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Focus Blast|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Special}}<br /> {{Party/Div|color={{red color}}}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=009<br /> |pokemon=Blastoise<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=70<br /> |type1=Water<br /> |ability=Torrent<br /> |move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Flash Cannon|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Dark Pulse|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Special<br /> |move4=Ice Beam|move4type=Ice|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=131<br /> |pokemon=Lapras<br /> |gender=female<br /> |level=69<br /> |type1=Water|type2=Ice<br /> |ability=Water Absorb<br /> |move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Blizzard|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Ice Shard|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7<br /> |game=SM<br /> |ndex=143<br /> |pokemon=Snorlax<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=69<br /> |type1=Normal<br /> |ability=Thick Fat<br /> |move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Heavy Slam|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=High&amp;nbsp;Horsepower|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Body Slam|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> =====Battle Tree=====<br /> Red uses three of these Pokémon in [[Pokémon battle|Single Battles]] and two in [[Multi Battle]]s.<br /> <br /> ======Single Battle (on 20th consecutive battle)======<br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |sprite=VSRed.png<br /> |size=150px<br /> |prize=20{{color2|000|Battle Point|BP}}<br /> |class=Battle Legend<br /> |name={{color2|000|Red (game)|Red}}<br /> |game=SMUSUM<br /> |location=Battle Tree<br /> |pokemon=3}}<br /> |{{lop/facility/head|{{red color light}}|{{red color}}|{{red color}}}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|003|Venusaur|Big Root|Leech Seed|Grass|Toxic|Poison|Synthesis|Grass|Ingrain|Grass|Calm|252||||252|}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|006|Charizard|Salac Berry|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Fire Fang|Fire|Belly Drum|Normal|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Careful|170||||170|170}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|009|Blastoise|Zoom Lens|Aqua Ring|Water|Rock Slide|Rock|Aqua Tail|Water|Iron Defense|Steel|Quiet|170||170||170|}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|131|Lapras|Damp Rock|Rain Dance|Water|Thunder|Electric|Ice Shard|Ice|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Quiet|||252|252||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|143|Snorlax|Sitrus Berry|Return|Normal|Wild Charge|Electric|Counter|Fighting|Recycle|Normal|Adamant||252|252|||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|003|Venusaur|Grassium Z|Roar|Normal|Venoshock|Poison|Power Whip|Grass|Earthquake|Ground|Brave|170|170|170|||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|006|Charizard|Charti Berry|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Rock Slide|Rock|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Adamant||252||||252}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|009|Blastoise|Blastoisinite|Water Pulse|Water|Aura Sphere|Fighting|Dark Pulse|Dark|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Quiet|252|||252||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|131|Lapras|Normalium Z|Surf|Water|Ice Beam|Ice|Rest|Psychic|Sleep Talk|Normal|Modest|||170|170|170|}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|143|Snorlax|Sitrus Berry|Return|Normal|Protect|Normal|Crunch|Dark|Belly Drum|Normal|Brave||252|252|||}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ======Super Single Battle (on 50th consecutive battle)======<br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |sprite=VSRed.png<br /> |size=150px<br /> |prize=50{{color2|000|Battle Point|BP}}<br /> |class=Battle Legend<br /> |name={{color2|000|Red (game)|Red}}<br /> |game=SMUSUM<br /> |location=Battle Tree<br /> |pokemon=3}}<br /> |{{lop/facility/head|{{red color light}}|{{red color}}|{{red color}}}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|003|Venusaur|Salac Berry|Energy Ball|Grass|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Grass Knot|Grass|Protect|Normal|Timid||||252||252}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|006|Charizard|Charizardite Y|Heat Wave|Fire|Solar Beam|Grass|Air Slash|Flying|Focus Blast|Fighting|Timid||||252||252}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|009|Blastoise|Leftovers|Fake Out|Normal|Earthquake|Ground|Aqua Tail|Water|Rock Slide|Rock|Adamant|252|252||||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|131|Lapras|Bright Powder|Surf|Water|Ice Beam|Ice|Thunderbolt|Electric|Psychic|Psychic|Modest|252|||252||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|143|Snorlax|Life Orb|Double-Edge|Normal|Earthquake|Ground|Crunch|Dark|Protect|Normal|Adamant||252|252|||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|003|Venusaur|Venusaurite|Synthesis|Grass|Substitute|Normal|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Giga Drain|Grass|Bold|252||252|||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|006|Charizard|Charizardite X|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Flare Blitz|Fire|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Rock Slide|Rock|Jolly||252||||252}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|009|Blastoise|Custap Berry|Yawn|Normal|Hydro Pump|Water|Blizzard|Ice|Dark Pulse|Dark|Modest|252|||252||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|131|Lapras|Psychium Z|Blizzard|Ice|Hydro Pump|Water|Psychic|Psychic|Ice Shard|Ice|Quiet|||252|252||}}<br /> {{lop/facility|game=6|143|Snorlax|Assault Vest|Body Slam|Normal|Fissure|Ground|Earthquake|Ground|Crunch|Dark|Careful|252||||252|}}<br /> |}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ====[[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]====<br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |sprite=VSRed PE.png<br /> |size=90px<br /> |prize=none<br /> |class=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |classlink=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |name=Red<br /> |game=PE<br /> |location=Indigo Plateau<br /> |pokemon=6}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7/LG<br /> |game=PE<br /> |ndex=025<br /> |pokemon=Pikachu<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=85<br /> |type1=Electric<br /> |move1=Thunderbolt|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Brick Break|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Iron Tail|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Reflect|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7/LG<br /> |game=PE<br /> |ndex=068<br /> |pokemon=Machamp<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=85<br /> |type1=Fighting<br /> |move1=Superpower|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Fire Blast|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Hyper Beam|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Special}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7/LG<br /> |game=PE<br /> |ndex=059<br /> |pokemon=Arcanine<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=85<br /> |type1=Fire<br /> |move1=Heat Wave|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Will-O-Wisp|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Status<br /> |move4=Roar|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}<br /> {{Party/Div|color={{red color}}}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7/LG<br /> |game=PE<br /> |ndex=131<br /> |pokemon=Lapras<br /> |gender=female<br /> |level=85<br /> |type1=Water|type2=Ice<br /> |move1=Ice Shard|move1type=Ice|move1cat=Physical<br /> |move2=Waterfall|move2type=Water|move2cat=Physical<br /> |move3=Body Slam|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical<br /> |move4=Megahorn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7/LG<br /> |game=PE<br /> |ndex=143<br /> |pokemon=Snorlax<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=85<br /> |type1=Normal<br /> |move1=Toxic|move1type=Poison|move1cat=Status<br /> |move2=Protect|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status<br /> |move3=Rest|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Status<br /> |move4=Body Slam|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/7/LG<br /> |game=PE<br /> |ndex=003<br /> |pokemon=Venusaur<br /> |megastone=Venusaurite<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=85<br /> |type1=Grass|type2=Poison<br /> |move1=Sludge Bomb|move1type=Poison|move1cat=Special<br /> |move2=Mega Drain|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special<br /> |move3=Leech Seed|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Status<br /> |move4=Amnesia|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ==In the side series games==<br /> ===[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]===<br /> Red appears in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]]. He can be battled in the Kanto [[Gym Leader Castle]] after the player has defeated all eight Kanto Gym Leaders, being the final opponent the player must defeat in order to clear the Gym Leader Castle challenge.<br /> <br /> During the game's end credits, he is seen having a battle with {{ga|Blue}}.<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon====<br /> Red uses vastly different sets of Pokémon than in any of his other appearances, only sharing a couple Pokémon with the teams he uses in the [[core series]]. Notably, this is the only game where he's not seen using {{TP|Red|his Pikachu|Pikachu}}. In Round 2, each of his Pokémon knows {{m|Hidden Power}}.<br /> <br /> =====Round 1=====<br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |sprite=S2 Pokémon Trainer Red.png<br /> |prize=none<br /> |class=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |classlink=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |name=Red<br /> |game=Stadium2<br /> |location=Gym Leader Castle<br /> |locationname=Kanto Gym Leader Castle<br /> |pokemon=6}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=154MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Meganium<br /> |gender=female<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=Mint Berry<br /> |type1=Grass<br /> |move1=Razor Leaf|move1type=Grass<br /> |move2=Body Slam|move2type=Normal<br /> |move3=Giga Drain|move3type=Grass<br /> |move4=Synthesis|move4type=Grass}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=160MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Feraligatr<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=MiracleBerry<br /> |type1=Water<br /> |move1=Surf|move1type=Water<br /> |move2=Slash|move2type=Normal<br /> |move3=Blizzard|move3type=Ice<br /> |move4=Bite|move4type=Dark}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=157MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Typhlosion<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=Focus Band<br /> |type1=Fire<br /> |move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire<br /> |move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal<br /> |move3=ThunderPunch|move3type=Electric<br /> |move4=Dig|move4type=Ground}}<br /> {{Party/Div|color={{red color}}}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=135MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Jolteon<br /> |gender=female<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=King's Rock<br /> |type1=Electric<br /> |move1=Thunder|move1type=Electric<br /> |move2=Bite|move2type=Dark<br /> |move3=Thunder Wave|move3type=Electric<br /> |move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=212MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Scizor<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=Quick Claw<br /> |type1=Bug|type2=Steel<br /> |move1=Metal Claw|move1type=Steel<br /> |move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal<br /> |move3=Slash|move3type=Normal<br /> |move4=Sleep Talk|move4type=Normal}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=128MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Tauros<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=Scope Lens<br /> |type1=Normal<br /> |move1=Headbutt|move1type=Normal<br /> |move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground<br /> |move3=Iron Tail|move3type=Steel<br /> |move4=Hyper Beam|move4type=Normal}}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> =====Round 2=====<br /> {{Party/Single<br /> |color={{red color}}<br /> |headcolor={{red color light}}<br /> |bordercolor={{red color dark}}<br /> |sprite=S2 Pokémon Trainer Red.png<br /> |prize=none<br /> |class=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |classlink=Pokémon Trainer<br /> |name=Red<br /> |game=Stadium2<br /> |location=Gym Leader Castle<br /> |locationname=Kanto Gym Leader Castle<br /> |pokemon=6}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=243MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Raikou<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=Focus Band<br /> |type1=Electric<br /> |move1=Thunderbolt|move1type=Electric<br /> |move2=Bite|move2type=Dark<br /> |move3=Iron Tail|move3type=Steel<br /> |move4=Hidden Power|move4type=Ice}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=244MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Entei<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=Scope Lens<br /> |type1=Fire<br /> |move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire<br /> |move2=Bite|move2type=Dark<br /> |move3=Iron Tail|move3type=Steel<br /> |move4=Hidden Power|move4type=Ground}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=245MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Suicune<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=BrightPowder<br /> |type1=Water<br /> |move1=Surf|move1type=Water<br /> |move2=Ice Beam|move2type=Ice<br /> |move3=Roar|move3type=Normal<br /> |move4=Hidden Power|move4type=Grass}}<br /> {{Party/Div|color={{red color}}}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=149MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Dragonite<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=MiracleBerry<br /> |type1=Dragon<br /> |type2=Flying<br /> |move1=Fly|move1type=Flying<br /> |move2=Body Slam|move2type=Normal<br /> |move3=Thunder Wave|move3type=Electric<br /> |move4=Hidden Power|move4type=Fighting}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=143MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Snorlax<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=Quick Claw<br /> |type1=Normal<br /> |move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal<br /> |move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground<br /> |move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost<br /> |move4=Hidden Power|move4type=Flying}}<br /> |{{Pokémon/2<br /> |ndex=196MSStad<br /> |pokemon=Espeon<br /> |gender=male<br /> |level=50-100<br /> |held=King's Rock<br /> |type1=Psychic<br /> |move1=Psychic|move1type=Psychic<br /> |move2=Bite|move2type=Dark<br /> |move3=Reflect|move3type=Psychic<br /> |move4=Hidden Power|move4type=Fire}}<br /> {{Party/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ===Pokémon Colosseum and XD: Gale of Darkness===<br /> Red makes an appearance in both [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]]. While he does not appear in the games' Story Mode, he is playable in the Battle Mode when a FireRed or LeafGreen cartridge is used, with a male player character chosen. He can take on Mt. Battle's 100-battle challenge, as well as compete in Colosseum battles.<br /> <br /> ===Pokémon Battle Revolution===<br /> Red made a brief appearance in the debut trailer of [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], having a [[Double Battle]] against {{ga|Leaf}}, using a {{p|Deoxys}} in its Attack Forme and a {{p|Wailord}}. Despite this, he didn't appear in the final cut of the game.<br /> <br /> ==In the spin-off games==<br /> ===[[Super Smash Bros. series]]===<br /> [[File:Pokemon Trainer Brawl.png|thumb|250px|left|Red in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] with his Pokémon]]<br /> [[File:Pokemon Trainer SSBU.png|thumb|250px|Red in [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]]]<br /> ====Pokémon Trainer====<br /> {{main|Pokémon Trainer (Super Smash Bros.)}}<br /> Red is known as the &quot;Pokémon Trainer&quot; in the [[Super Smash Bros. series]]. He has a team consisting of {{p|Squirtle}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, and {{p|Charizard}}. Rather than fighting himself like most other characters, Red sends his three Pokémon into battle, switching between them in order.<br /> <br /> Red debuted as a playable character in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]. He was absent from [[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]], the only game in the series where his {{SSB|Charizard}} is available as an individual fighter. Red returned as a playable character in [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]], and additionally {{ga|Leaf}} debuted as part of his palette swaps, sharing the same title of &quot;Pokémon Trainer&quot;. Red is voiced by [[Michele Knotz]] and [[Billy Bob Thompson]] in the English versions of [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]] and [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate|Ultimate]] respectively, and 半場友恵 ''[[Tomoe Hanba]]'' in the Japanese versions.<br /> <br /> ====Other references====<br /> * Red's hat appears as an alternate outfit worn by {{SSB|Pikachu}} from [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] onward, possibly in specific reference to {{game|Yellow}} (which, in turn, was inspired by the anime).<br /> * In [[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]], Red is featured as a trophy to represent Pokémon Trainers.<br /> <br /> ===[[Pokémon GO]]===<br /> {{main|Style (GO)}}<br /> For [[Pokémon Day]] 2018, Red's outfit from {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} was released as free style option in [[Pokémon GO]].<br /> <br /> ===[[Pokémon Masters EX]]===<br /> {{main|Red (Masters)}}<br /> Red, who is based on the [[player character]], forms a [[sync pair]] with {{TP|Red|Charizard}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, {{TP|Red|Pikachu}}, {{p|Articuno}}, and {{p|Venusaur}} in [[Pokémon Masters EX]]. His Charizard is capable of [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolving]] into Mega Charizard X, while his Snorlax and Pikachu are both capable of [[Gigantamax]]ing, and his Venusaur is capable of [[Dynamax]]ing. Red became a playable sync pair on February 28, 2020.<br /> <br /> In this game, Red is indirectly responsible for the creation of the [[Pokémon Masters League]], as him defeating [[Lear]] before the events of the game was what inspired Lear to create [[Pasio]] and the PML in order to get another chance at beating him. Red first appeared as an NPC during the second chapter of [[PML Arc]]. He also made notable appearances later in the PML Arc, and the [[Villain Arc]]. Unlike in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, both Red and {{mas|Leaf}} coexist in this game.<br /> <br /> {{PairDex/h|Red}}<br /> {{PairDex|084|Red|trainerlink=Red (Masters)#Charizard|trainerimg=Red Sygna|sygna=[[Sygna suit|Sygna Suit]]|0006MX|Charizard|pokemonlink=Red's Charizard|form=[[Mega Evolution|Mega Charizard X]]|mega=Charizardite X|gender=male|Fire|Rock|Special Strike|exrole=Tech|6|Ticket Scout (after Victory Road)&lt;br&gt;Poké Fair Sync Pair Scout}}<br /> {{PairDex|084|Red|trainerlink=Red (Masters)#Snorlax|trainerimg=Red|0143|Snorlax|form=[[Gigantamax]]|dynamax=yes|gender=male|Normal|Fighting|Support|exrole=Sprint|6|Poké Fair Sync Pair Scout}}<br /> {{PairDex|084|Red|trainerlink=Red (Masters)#Pikachu|trainerimg=Red Sygna Thunderbolt|sygna=[[Sygna suit|Sygna Suit]] (Thunderbolt)|0025|Pikachu|pokemonlink=Red's Pikachu|master=yes|form=[[Gigantamax]]|dynamax=yes|buddy=yes|gender=male|Electric|Ground|Tech|exrole=Field|6|Master Fair Sync Pair Scout}}<br /> {{PairDex|084|Red|trainerlink=Red (Masters)#Articuno|trainerimg=Red Champion|sygna={{pkmn|Champion}}|0144|Articuno|master=yes|buddy=yes|Ice|Rock|Special Strike|6|Master Fair Sync Pair Scout}}<br /> {{PairDex|084|Red|trainerlink=Red (Masters)#Venusaur|trainerimg=Red|0003|Venusaur|dynamax=yes|buddy=yes|gender=male|Grass|Fire|Field|exrole=Special Strike|6|Mix Sync Pair Scout}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Quotes==<br /> {{main|Red (game)/Quotes}}<br /> <br /> ==Optional names==<br /> When starting a new game of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, if the player leaves the name writing screen without any written name, or with a name composed entirely of empty spaces, [[Professor Oak]] says, &quot;Right... So your name is &lt;optional name&gt;&quot;, suggesting one of the 19 available names; there are 24 names in total, but there are 5 exclusive to FireRed and 5 exclusive to LeafGreen. The player may answer &quot;Yes&quot; to accept the suggested name, or &quot;No&quot; to return to the name writing screen.<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{red color}}; border:3px solid #{{red color dark}}&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#{{red color light}}&quot;<br /> ! style=&quot;{{roundytl|5px}}&quot; | Game<br /> ! Japanese<br /> ! English<br /> ! French<br /> ! German<br /> ! Italian<br /> ! style=&quot;{{roundytr|5px}}&quot; | Spanish<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Red<br /> | レッド ''Red''&lt;br&gt;サトシ ''Satoshi''&lt;br&gt;ジャック ''Jack''<br /> | RED&lt;br&gt;ASH&lt;br&gt;JACK<br /> | RED&lt;br&gt;SACHA&lt;br&gt;PAUL<br /> | ROT&lt;br&gt;ASH&lt;br&gt;JACK<br /> | ROSSO&lt;br&gt;ASH&lt;br&gt;GIGI<br /> | ROJO&lt;br&gt;ASH&lt;br&gt;JAIME<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Green (Japan)&lt;br&gt;Blue (international)<br /> | グリーン ''Green''&lt;br&gt;シゲル ''Shigeru''&lt;br&gt;ジョン ''John''<br /> | BLUE&lt;br&gt;GARY&lt;br&gt;JOHN<br /> | BLUE&lt;br&gt;REGIS&lt;br&gt;JEAN<br /> | BLAU&lt;br&gt;GARY&lt;br&gt;JOHN<br /> | BLU&lt;br&gt;GARY&lt;br&gt;PIPPO<br /> | AZUL&lt;br&gt;GARY&lt;br&gt;JUAN<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Blue (Japan)<br /> | ブルー ''Blue''&lt;br&gt;ツネカズ ''Tsunekaz''&lt;br&gt;ジャン ''Jean''<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Yellow<br /> | イエロー ''Yellow''&lt;br&gt;サトシ ''Satoshi''&lt;br&gt;ジャック ''Jack''<br /> | YELLOW&lt;br&gt;ASH&lt;br&gt;JACK<br /> | YELLOW&lt;br&gt;SACHA&lt;br&gt;PAUL<br /> | GELB&lt;br&gt;ASH&lt;br&gt;JACK<br /> | GIALLO&lt;br&gt;ASH&lt;br&gt;GIGI<br /> | GUALDO&lt;br&gt;ASH&lt;br&gt;JAIME<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundybl|5px}}&quot; | FireRed&lt;br&gt;LeafGreen<br /> | &lt;ab&gt;レッド ''Red''{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> ファイア ''Fire''{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> サトシ ''Satoshi''{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> ケン ''Ken''{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> シゲキ ''Shigeki''{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> グリーン ''Green''{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> リーフ ''Leaf''{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> シゲル ''Shigeru''{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> ツネカズ ''Tsunekaz''{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> サトル ''Satoru''{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> ジャック ''Jack''<br /> ジャン ''Jean''<br /> ジョン ''John''<br /> カモン ''Kamon''<br /> タカシ ''Takashi''<br /> テツオ ''Tetsuo''<br /> トオル ''Tōru''<br /> ヒロキ ''Hiroki''<br /> マサオ ''Masao''<br /> タカオ ''Takao''<br /> タケヒロ ''Takehiro''<br /> ケイ ''Kei''<br /> ヒトシ ''Hitoshi''<br /> ヒロアキ ''Hiroaki''&lt;/ab&gt;<br /> | &lt;ab&gt;RED{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> FIRE{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> ASH{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> KENE{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> GEKI{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> GREEN{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> LEAF{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> GARY{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> KAZ{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> TORU{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> JAK<br /> JANNE<br /> JONN<br /> KAMON<br /> KARL<br /> TAYLOR<br /> OSCAR<br /> HIRO<br /> MAX<br /> JON<br /> RALPH<br /> KAY<br /> TOSH<br /> ROAK&lt;/ab&gt;<br /> | &lt;ab&gt;RED{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> FIRE{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> DANNY{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> GURVAN{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> GONTRAN{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> GREEN{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> LEAF{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> YAN{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> MAEL{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> DAVY{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> POLO<br /> ZACK<br /> MARIO<br /> LORIS<br /> MAX<br /> DAMIEN<br /> TOM<br /> GREG<br /> KAMEL<br /> FRANCK<br /> RALPH<br /> AYRTON<br /> TOSH<br /> VINCE&lt;/ab&gt;<br /> | &lt;ab&gt;ROT{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> FEUER{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> SVEN{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> GERD{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> HANS{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> GRÜN{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> BLATT{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> GARY{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> HUGO{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> MICHAEL{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> JACK<br /> JAN<br /> JOHN<br /> DANIEL<br /> HELGE<br /> ULI<br /> TOBI<br /> UDO<br /> BERT<br /> JON<br /> RALF<br /> UWE<br /> CHRIS<br /> ROLF&lt;/ab&gt;<br /> | &lt;ab&gt;ROSSO{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> RED{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> ASH{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> DIMITRI{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> ATTILIO{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> VERDE{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> GREEN{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> GARY{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> DAMIANO{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> FABIO{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> MATTIA<br /> SILVANO<br /> LUCIO<br /> KAMON<br /> KARL<br /> GABRY<br /> OSCAR<br /> DINO<br /> DANIEL<br /> MANUELE<br /> RALPH<br /> IVANO<br /> PAOLO<br /> ENZO&lt;/ab&gt;<br /> |&lt;ab&gt;JORO{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> GUEFO{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> FURIO{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> LLAMÍN{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> CANDEL{{sup/3|FR}}<br /> VERTE{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> JAHO{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> BOSCO{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> FLOREN{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> SILVIO{{sup/3|LG}}<br /> JUNO<br /> JUAN<br /> JUANMA<br /> ÁLVARO<br /> RAL<br /> MARINO<br /> TOILO<br /> NER<br /> MAX<br /> MOREL<br /> RAFA<br /> VER<br /> LERIO<br /> RODI&lt;/ab&gt;<br /> |}<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Red or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].<br /> <br /> {{cardlist/header|Red's Pokémon|Fire|char=yes}}<br /> {{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|SM-P Promo|Red's Pikachu|270}}|type=Lightning|jpset=SM-P Promotional cards|jpnum=270/SM-P}}<br /> {{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Cosmic Eclipse|Pikachu|66}}|type=Lightning|expanded=yes|enset=Cosmic Eclipse|enrarity=Rare Secret|ennum=241/236|jpset=Dream League|jprarity=CHR|jpnum=054/049}}<br /> {{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Pikachu V (Vivid Voltage 43)|Pikachu]]{{TCGV}}|type=Lightning|expanded=yes|enset=Lost Origin|enrarity=TGV|ennum=TG16/TG30|jpset=VMAX Climax|jprarity=CSR|jpnum=222/184}}<br /> {{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Pikachu VMAX (Vivid Voltage 44)|Pikachu]]{{VMAX}}|type=Lightning|expanded=yes|enset=Lost Origin|enrarity=TGV|ennum=TG17/TG30|jpset=VMAX Climax|jprarity=CSR|jpnum=223/184}}<br /> {{cardlist/div|Other related cards|Fire}}<br /> {{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Unbroken Bonds|Red's Challenge|184}}|type=Supporter|expanded=yes|enset=Unbroken Bonds|enrarity=Rare Holo|ennum=184/214|jpset=Double Blaze|jprarity=R|jpnum=088/095|enset2=Unbroken Bonds|enrarity2=Rare Ultra|ennum2=213/214|jpset2=Double Blaze|jprarity2=SR|jpnum2=107/095|jpset3=SM-P Promotional cards|jpnum3=370/SM-P|jpset4=Tag All Stars|jpnum4=159/173|jpset5=Tag All Stars|jprarity5=SR|jpnum5=201/173}}<br /> {{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Cosmic Eclipse|Red &amp; Blue|202}}|type=Supporter|expanded=yes|enset=Cosmic Eclipse|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=202/236|jpset=Alter Genesis|jprarity=U|jpnum=090/095|enset2=Cosmic Eclipse|enrarity2=Rare Ultra|ennum2=234/236|jpset2=Alter Genesis|jprarity2=SR|jpnum2=108/095}}<br /> {{cardlist/footer|Fire}}<br /> <br /> ==In the TFG==<br /> There are three {{TFG|Trainer figure|Trainer figures}} based on Red with his design from {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, except with different names and colors.<br /> <br /> * {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Red|42}} (Japanese: レッド ''Red'') from {{TFG|Next Quest}}, wearing his usual red clothes.<br /> * {{TFG ID|Groundbreakers|Green|39}} (Japanese: グリーン ''Green'') from {{TFG|Groundbreakers}}, with green hat, shirt and shoes.<br /> * {{TFG ID|Unnamed Third Set|Yellow|42}} (Japanese: イエロー ''Yellow''), from the {{TFG|Unnamed Third Set}}, with yellow hat, shirt and shoes.<br /> <br /> The Red figure is part of the single released set, Next Quest. The other two sets were not released, so the Green and Yellow figures were not released either.<br /> <br /> &lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:RedNextQuest42.png|{{TFG ID|Next Quest|Red|42}}<br /> File:GreenGroundbreakers39.png|{{TFG ID|Groundbreakers|Green|39}}<br /> File:YellowUnnamedThirdSet42.png|{{TFG ID|Unnamed Third Set|Yellow|42}}<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Counterparts==<br /> ===In the anime===<br /> ====Main series====<br /> {{main|Ash Ketchum}}<br /> {{main|Ash Ketchum (M20)}}<br /> [[File:Ash debut.png|thumb|250px|Ash Ketchum, Red's {{pkmn|anime}} counterpart]]<br /> Red's loose [[Cross-canon counterpart|anime counterpart]], introduced in the [[EP001|first episode]], is the anime's main character, Ash Ketchum. Like Red, Ash is from Pallet Town, on a {{pkmn|journey}} to become a Pokémon Master. Unlike Red, Ash's journey did not end with Kanto, and Ash continued through every other region introduced in the [[core series]] games until [[Galar]], as well as the [[Orange Islands]] south of Kanto, taking the place of the player characters of Generation II during [[Johto]] and Generation V during [[Unova]], and being joined by the anime counterparts of {{ga|May}}, {{ga|Dawn}}, and {{ga|Serena}} during the Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Kalos sagas respectively. Instead of starting with one of the standard three Kanto first partner Pokémon, however, Ash began his journey with a {{AP|Pikachu}}, inspiring {{game|Yellow}}'s creation, as well as causing some to consider Red and Ash to be exactly the same person, most especially due to Red owning {{TP|Red|one|Pikachu}} as well.<br /> <br /> Red has another anime counterpart, {{OBP|Ash Ketchum|M20|an alternate Ash Ketchum}}, who appeared in ''[[M20|I Choose You!]]'', ''[[M21|The Power of Us]]'', and ''[[M23|Secrets of the Jungle]]''; these {{pkmn|movie}}s are set in a timeline separate from the main series. This Ash shares the same basic characteristics as the main Ash, but goes on a different journey compared to the main series.<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon Origins====<br /> {{main|Red (Origins)}}<br /> [[File:Blaine Arcanine PO.png|thumb|left|250px|Red in [[Pokémon Origins]]]]<br /> Red also had a direct counterpart that appeared as the main character of the [[Pokémon Origins]] mini-series, which takes place in a separate continuity. This counterpart shared Red's name, in-game role, and design from FireRed and LeafGreen. The mini-series follows Red as he challenges the [[Indigo League]] and fights [[Team Rocket]] with his [[first partner Pokémon]], {{TP|Red|Charmander|Charizard}}.<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon Generations====<br /> [[File:Red PG.png|thumb|250px|Red in [[Pokémon Generations]]]]<br /> Another direct counterpart of Red appeared in [[Pokémon Generations]]. He first appeared in ''[[PG01|The Adventure]]'', where he {{pkmn2|caught}} a {{TP|Red|Pikachu}} in [[Viridian Forest]]. He then went on to experience various other adventures with his Pikachu across other regions, during which he encountered various {{pkmn2|wild}} and [[Legendary Pokémon]].<br /> <br /> Red briefly reappeared at the end of ''[[PG03|The Challenger]]'', having just defeated the [[Elite Four]] at [[Indigo Plateau]], and preparing to challenge {{ga|Blue}} for the title of the {{pkmn|Champion}}.<br /> <br /> Like the [[core series]] games, Red is not heard speaking during his appearances.<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> =====Pokémon=====<br /> {{TrainerPoké<br /> |trainer=Red<br /> |pkmn=Bulbasaur<br /> |type1=Grass<br /> |type2=Poison<br /> |img=Red Bulbasaur PG.png<br /> |epnum=PG01<br /> |epname=The Adventure<br /> |desc=Red was shown to own a {{p|Bulbasaur}}. While in [[Viridian Forest]], he sent it out to battle a wild {{p|Pikachu}}, which he successfully {{pkmn2|caught}}.<br /> <br /> None of Bulbasaur's moves are known.}}<br /> <br /> {{TrainerPoké<br /> |trainer=Red<br /> |pkmn=Pikachu<br /> |gender=male<br /> |type1=Electric<br /> |img=Red Pikachu PG.png<br /> |epnum=PG01<br /> |epname=The Adventure<br /> |main=Red's Pikachu<br /> |vajp=Fumiko Orikasa<br /> |vaen=Fumiko Orikasa<br /> |desc={{p|Pikachu}} is one of Red's Pokémon and has been used by him in many of his battles.<br /> <br /> Red encountered Pikachu while in [[Viridian Forest]]. He sent out his {{p|Bulbasaur}} against it, but {{pkmn2|caught}} it in a {{i|Poké Ball}} without battling. After catching it, Red immediately let it out its Poké Ball and had it battle a {{p|Caterpie}}.<br /> <br /> Pikachu continued to travel with its Trainer throughout [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]], [[Sinnoh]], [[Unova]], and [[Kalos]], battling against Pokémon such as {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Vigoroth}}, {{p|Probopass}}, {{p|Regigigas}}, {{p|Volcarona}}, and {{p|Noivern}}.}}<br /> <br /> * When Red caught Pikachu, he was revealed to have already obtained at least two other Pokémon besides Bulbasaur.<br /> <br /> =====Achievements=====<br /> ======Badges obtained======<br /> This listing is of the [[Badge]]s Red has obtained in the [[Kanto]] region:<br /> * At least eight Badges (prior to ''[[PG03|The Challenger]]'')<br /> <br /> ====POKÉTOON====<br /> [[File:Red POKÉTOON.png|thumb|250px|left|Red in [[POKÉTOON]]]]<br /> Red appeared in ''[[PT02|The Pancham Who Wants to Be a Hero]]''. He was the {{pkmn|Trainer}} of an {{p|Arcanine}} that became the hero of a {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Pancham}} ever since it stopped an {{p|Impidimp}} from stealing Pancham's [[Berry]]. <br /> <br /> =====Pokémon=====<br /> {{TrainerPoké<br /> |trainer=Red<br /> |pkmn=Arcanine<br /> |type1=Fire<br /> |img=Red Arcanine.png<br /> |epnum=PT02<br /> |epname=The Pancham Who Wants to Be a Hero<br /> |desc={{p|Arcanine}} is Red's only known Pokémon. It is said that Arcanine trained near a waterfall and became so powerful to the point of being able to split the waterfall in half with a single {{type|Fire}} [[move]].<br /> <br /> Arcanine's only known move is {{m|Flamethrower}}.}}<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon Evolutions====<br /> [[File:Red Evolutions.png|thumb|250px|Red in [[Pokémon Evolutions]]]]<br /> Red briefly appeared in ''[[PE08|The Discovery]]'', standing on [[Indigo Plateau]].<br /> <br /> =====Pokémon=====<br /> {{TrainerPoké<br /> |main=yes<br /> |trainer=Red<br /> |pkmn=Charizard<br /> |type1=Fire<br /> |type2=Flying<br /> |img=Red Evolutions.png<br /> |epnum=PE08<br /> |epname=The Discovery<br /> |desc={{p|Charizard}} is Red's only known Pokémon.}}<br /> <br /> ====GOTCHA!====<br /> Red briefly appeared in [[GOTCHA!]], using his [[Red's Charizard|Charizard]], {{p|Blastoise}}, and {{p|Lapras}}.<br /> <br /> ===In the manga===<br /> Red, like most player characters, also has several counterparts in various Pokémon manga series.<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon Adventures====<br /> [[File:Red Adventures.png|thumb|150px|Red in Pokémon Adventures]]<br /> {{main|Red (Adventures)}}<br /> Red appears in [[Pokémon Adventures]], and also appeared in a fantasy in [[Pokémon Ranger the Comic: Double Mission]].<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon Pocket Monsters====<br /> {{main|Red (Pocket Monsters)}}<br /> Red shares his game counterpart's name and appearance in [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]].<br /> <br /> There is also a character in [[Pokémon Ruby-Sapphire]] named {{OBP|Red|Ruby-Sapphire}} who is a rival of Red and is much stronger than him. This character is based on Red's appearance in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon Zensho====<br /> {{main|Satoshi (Zensho)}}<br /> Satoshi from [[Pokémon Zensho]] is based on Red.<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon: Yeah! I Got Pokémon!====<br /> {{main|Shu}}<br /> Shu from [[Pokémon: Yeah! I Got Pokémon!]] is based on Red.<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon Gold &amp; Silver: The Golden Boys====<br /> Red was briefly mentioned in ''[[GB02|Falkner The Bird Keeper's Challenge!!]]'' by [[Professor Oak]], who said that {{GnB|Gold}} looks similar to him. However, due to the manga ending soon after Gold reaches [[Cianwood City]], Red was never physically seen.<br /> <br /> ====Pocket Monsters HGSS Jō's Big Adventure====<br /> [[File:Red JBA.png|thumb|150px|Red in Pocket Monsters HGSS Jō's Big Adventure]]<br /> Red first appeared as a silhouette in [[JBA5]]. He then physically debuted in [[JBA6]]. He was first mentioned by {{ga|Blue}} after [[Jō]]'s battle with the {{ci|Viridian}} [[Gym Leader]]. Jō later encountered Red when he reached the top of [[Mt. Silver]], ready to battle him.<br /> <br /> =====Pokémon=====<br /> {| style=&quot;width:25%&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | {{InactivePoké|Red|Pikachu|Red Pikachu JBA.png|Electric|link=Red's Pikachu}} ♂<br /> |}<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==Gallery==<br /> ===Artwork===<br /> {| style=&quot;margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{Red color dark}}; background:#{{red color}}; font-size:80%; color:#fff;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Early Lapras sketch.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Early Red and Rhydon sketch.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Mart Sketch.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red Green Red.png|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | colspan=3 | Artwork from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Capsule Monsters}} by {{color2|fff|Ken Sugimori}}<br /> | Artwork from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Red and Green}} <br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Pokémon Craft DX cover.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red on bike.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red on computer.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:S2 Red artwork.png|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Craft}} DX1 {{pcolor|Charizard|fff}} Set&lt;br&gt;cover<br /> | colspan=2 | Artwork from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red and Blue}}<br /> | Artwork from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Stadium 2|Stadium 2}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:FireRed LeafGreen Red.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Sun Moon Red.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red Concept Art.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red LGPE concept art.png|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Artwork from {{color2|fff|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed and LeafGreen}}<br /> | Artwork from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun and Moon}}<br /> | Concept art from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun and Moon}}<br /> | Concept art from {{color2|fff|Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:HM Cut artwork.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:HM Flash artwork.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Sugimori1996.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:RGB guidebook.jpg|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | colspan=2 | Artwork showcasing {{color2|fff|Cut (move)|Cut}} and {{color2|fff|Flash (move)|Flash}} from the {{color2|fff|Pokémon Daisuki Club}}<br /> | Early artwork with&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Blue (game)|Blue}}, {{pcolor|Charizard|fff}}, and {{pcolor|Pikachu|fff}}<br /> | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Red and Green}}&lt;br&gt;guidebook cover<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Bandai Jumbo1 Back.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Bandai Jumbo2 Back.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Bandai Jumbo5 Peeled.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Bandai Jumbo4 Peeled.jpg|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | colspan=4 | Artwork from the {{color2|fff|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Kotobukiya ArtFX J Figure Red Pikachu.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Sugimori Red and Pikachu.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Kotobukiya ArtFX J Figure Red Charmander.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Game Freak Red.jpg|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Red and {{color2|fff|Red's Pikachu|Pikachu}} artwork for&lt;br&gt;Kotobukiya ArtFx J figurines by {{color2|fff|Hitoshi Ariga}}<br /> | Red and {{color2|fff|Red's Pikachu|Pikachu}} artwork for&lt;br&gt;Kotobukiya ArtFx J figurines by {{color2|fff|Ken Sugimori}}<br /> | Red and {{pcolor|Charmander|fff}} artwork for&lt;br&gt;Kotobukiya ArtFx J figurines by {{color2|fff|Hitoshi Ariga}}<br /> | Artwork from the {{color2|fff|Game Freak|GAME FREAK}} website<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Pokémon 20th Anniversary Artwork.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard &amp; Red Tomohiro Kitakaze 2021-02-27.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Pokémon Day 2022 Kanto Artwork.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:RedsChallenge TOKIYA.jpg|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | {{color2|fff|Pokémon 20th Anniversary|20th Anniversary artwork}} from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Center (store)#Online|Pokémon Center Online}} by {{color2|fff|Emi Ando}}&lt;ref&gt;https://youtu.be/P4wtIPuBrYI?t=108&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | Pokémon Day 2021<br /> | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Day|Pokémon Day 2022}} artwork by {{color2|fff|Megumi Mizutani}}&lt;ref&gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20230219005012/https://twitter.com/megtany/status/1497836624121450502&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | Uncropped art of the {{color2|fff|Red's Challenge (Unbroken Bonds 184)|Red's Challenge}}&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Full Art card (TCG)|Full Art card}} from {{color2|fff|Tag All Stars (TCG)|Tag All Stars}} by {{color2|fff|TOKIYA}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|15px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}};&quot;| [[File:Naoki Saito Red &amp; Charizard Pokemon Trainers Merch.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Pokémon Trainers Red 2022.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Pokémon 2012 accessories Red Charizard Blue Venusaur.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Pokémon Center Badges Red Charmander.png|x200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Pokémon Trainers merch line artwork by Naoki Saito<br /> | 2022 Pokémon Center accessories<br /> | Pokémon 2012 accessories: Red, Charizard, Blue and Venusaur<br /> | Pokémon Characters Badges: Red and Charmander<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Pokémon Center Badges Red Charizard.png|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Bandai first partners card.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Bandai evolved first partners card.jpg|120px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red Leaf FRLG Artwork.png|200px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Pokémon Characters Badges: Red and Mega Charizard X<br /> | Artwork from the&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Bandai Carddass card}}<br /> | Red with the Generation I starters on a Bandai Carddass card, illustrated by Ken Sugimori<br /> | Red and Leaf with Bulbasaur and Charmander Artwork<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Pokémon Center 2012 Venusaur Red.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:PikachuCosmicEclipse241.jpg|x200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Sugimori Red Pikachu and Misty GF Web.jpg|200px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:New Year GF Postcard 2006.png|120px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Pokémon Center 2012 Champions Tournament Red and Venusaur<br /> | Red and Pikachu in a TCG Artwork<br /> | Artwork of Red and Misty holding Pikachu from the GAME FREAK website<br /> | Red andPikachu on a GAME FREAK postcard from New Year's 2006<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Sprites and models===<br /> ====In the [[core series]]====<br /> {| style=&quot;margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color}}; font-size:80%; color:#fff;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Spr RG Red 1.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Spr RG Red 2.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Spr RB Red 2.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Spr Y Red.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Spr GS Red.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Spr FRLG Red.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:FRLG Red Intro Translation Documents.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:FRLG Red Intro.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red FRLG Credits.png]]<br /> |-<br /> | Sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Red, Green}},&lt;br&gt;and {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}<br /> | {{color2|fff|Game intro|Title screen}} sprite&lt;br&gt;from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Red and Green}}<br /> | {{color2|fff|Game intro|Title screen}} sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue}}, and {{color2|fff|Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue (JP)}}<br /> | Sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}<br /> | Sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Generation II}}<br /> | Sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen}},&lt;br&gt;and {{color2|fff|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}<br /> | Early {{color2|fff|Game intro|intro}} sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|FireRed and LeafGreen}}<br /> | {{color2|fff|Game intro|Intro}} sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed and LeafGreen}}<br /> | {{color2|fff|Credits}} sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed and LeafGreen}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:RedRGBwalkdown.png]]<br /> | colspan=2 style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:RGB Red Back.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Y Red Back.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red II OD.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:FRLG Red Back.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:E Red Back.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red FRLG OD.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red E OD.png]]<br /> |-<br /> | Overworld sprite from &lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Generation I}}<br /> | colspan=2 | Backsprite from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Red, Green}}, and {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}<br /> | Backsprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}<br /> | Overworld sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Generation II}}<br /> | Backsprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed and LeafGreen}}<br /> | Backsprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}<br /> | Overworld sprite from &lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed and LeafGreen}}<br /> | Overworld sprite from &lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Spr HGSS Red.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Spr B2W2 Red.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:VSRed.png|150px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Spr SM Red.png|100px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:VSRed PE.png|100px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}<br /> | Sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Black 2 and&lt;br&gt;White 2}}<br /> | VS sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon}}, {{color2|fff|Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun,&lt;br&gt;and Ultra Moon}}<br /> | High-poly model from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon}}, {{color2|fff|Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon}}<br /> | VS model from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu! and&lt;br&gt;Let's Go, Eevee!}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red IV OD.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red OD.png]]<br /> | colspan=2 style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Red SM OD.png|96px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:80px&quot;| [[File:ODRed PE.png|x100px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Overworld sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}<br /> | Overworld sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Black 2 and&lt;br&gt;White 2}}<br /> | colspan=2 | Overworld model from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon}}, {{color2|fff|Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon}}<br /> | Overworld model from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ====In other games====<br /> {| style=&quot;margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color}}; font-size:80%; color:#fff;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:S2 Pokémon Trainer Red.png]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:Colo Red.png|80px]]<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{red color dark}}; background:#{{red color light}}; width:96px; height:96px&quot;| [[File:XD Red.png|80px]]<br /> |-<br /> | Portrait from &lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Stadium 2}}<br /> | VS sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon Colosseum|Colosseum}}<br /> | VS sprite from&lt;br&gt;{{color2|fff|Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|XD: Gale of Darkness}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> * Red's title screen and profile front sprites from {{game|Red and Green|s}} correspond to his earlier [[Capsule Monsters]] artwork instead of his final [[Generation I]] artwork. His title screen sprite was updated in {{game|Blue| (Japanese)}} but the profile front sprite remained unchanged.<br /> ** In {{game|Yellow}}, he has no title screen sprite and his front sprite is updated in part to match his official artwork and possibly in part to match [[Ash Ketchum]], his anime counterpart, as the frontal section of his hat has the same division in the middle as [[Ash's hat]] from the [[original series]].<br /> * Red's [[party]] in [[Generation II]], {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, {{B2W2}}, and {{game4|SMUSUM}} is based heavily on in-game events from the Generation I games and {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}:<br /> ** {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Blastoise}}, and {{p|Pikachu}} are the [[game mascot]]s of the four Generation I games: Pokémon Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow. They are also available in all iterations of the original [[Kanto]] plot and can all be obtained in a single save file in Pokémon Yellow;<br /> ** {{p|Espeon}} could have been obtained as an {{p|Eevee}} in [[Celadon City]], and Eevee notably serves as {{ga|Blue}}'s [[first partner Pokémon]] in Pokémon Yellow;<br /> ** {{p|Lapras}} is given away by a [[Silph Co.]] employee shortly before [[Team Rocket]] is defeated there;<br /> ** Two {{p|Snorlax}} are required to be caught or defeated in order to travel to [[Fuchsia City]]. Furthermore, in the Generation II games and Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, only the Snorlax that was previously blocking {{rt|12|Kanto}} (now blocking the entrance to [[Diglett's Cave]]) is available to the {{player}}, suggesting that Red caught the one blocking {{rt|16|Kanto}}.<br /> *** In Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, apart from his Venusaur and Blastoise being fully evolved, Red's team is identical to that of [[Ash Ketchum]] throughout most of the [[S02|Orange Islands]] anime arc.<br /> *** Also in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, the four game mascots all know their [[Generation III]] [[signature move]]s: Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise know {{m|Frenzy Plant}}, {{m|Blast Burn}} and {{m|Hydro Cannon}}, respectively, while Pikachu knows {{m|Volt Tackle}}. Furthermore, his Pikachu's moveset coincides with the four moves that [[Ash's Pikachu]] used during ''[[Pokémon the Series: Diamond and Pearl]]'': Volt Tackle, {{m|Quick Attack}}, {{m|Iron Tail}}, and {{m|Thunderbolt}}.<br /> * All six of the Pokémon that Red uses in the core series from HeartGold and SoulSilver to Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are capable of [[Gigantamax]] in Sword and Shield.<br /> * In HeartGold and SoulSilver, Red's [[level]] 88 [[Red's Pikachu|Pikachu]] is the highest-leveled Pokémon owned by a non-player character outside of [[Battle facility|battle facilities]], tied with [[Cynthia's Garchomp]] during the second [[rematch]] in {{g|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}.<br /> ** However, the level of several NPCs' Pokémon in {{4v|Black|White}} are variable and can exceed that of the two, depending on the level of the Pokémon that is [[in-game trade#Generation V|traded]] to them.<br /> * When Red is encountered at the summit of Mt. Silver during Generation II and Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, he has no speech, merely repeating sets of {{wp|ellipsis|ellipses}} &lt;!--2 sets of regular 3-dot ellipses in English GSC and 2 sets of 18-dot ellipses in English HGSS; 10 sets (GSC)/6 sets (HGSS) sets of 2 midline horizontal ellipses each in the Japanese versions--&gt; before beginning the {{pkmn|battle}}. This is a reference to his silent role in [[Generation I]], as he only answered choice questions like &lt;sc&gt;Yes&lt;/sc&gt; or &lt;sc&gt;No&lt;/sc&gt;. This unique characteristic remains in later [[generation]]s.<br /> ** In FireRed and LeafGreen, {{ga|Blue}} sarcastically calls him a &quot;chatty gossip&quot;.<br /> *** Blue also jokes about this in Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon.<br /> ** Despite this, {{DL|Copycat (character)|Quotes|dialogue that ensues}} when talking to {{OBP|Copycat|character}} in Generation I and FireRed and LeafGreen implies that Red is speaking.<br /> *** Also, only in the Spanish version of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the line &quot;&lt;Trainer&gt; used one &lt;item&gt;!&quot; for opponents using items in battle was localized as &quot;&lt;Trainer&gt;: ¡Voy a usar &lt;item&gt;!&quot; (&quot;&lt;Trainer&gt;: I'm going to use &lt;item&gt;!&quot;), thus causing Red to speak when using an item in battle.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1hpXj3f-Q&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *** In [[Pokémon Masters EX]], while primarily silent, {{mas|Red}} has {{DL|Red (game)/Quotes|Pokémon Masters EX|several spoken lines of dialogue}}.<br /> * Much like there is minimal information on his {{Ash|anime counterpart}}'s father, Red's father is mentioned only briefly when examining an {{wp|Super Nintendo Entertainment System|SNES}} at the [[Celadon Department Store]] in the Generation I games and FireRed and LeafGreen.<br /> * In HeartGold and SoulSilver, Red is the only {{pkmn|Trainer}} who uses the {{pkmn|battle}} transition effect from Generation II.<br /> * All of his anime and manga counterparts also have owned a Pikachu, with {{Zensho|Satoshi}} from Pokémon Zensho being the only one who evolved his one into a {{p|Raichu}}.<br /> * Along with Blue, [[Lance]], and the Generation I and III Kanto [[Gym Leader]]s (excluding [[Giovanni]] and [[Koga]]), Red has appeared in almost every [[generation]] of the [[Pokémon games]], with six out of nine so far. He is the only protagonist with this feat.<br /> * Red and Lance share the same unique {{pkmn|Champion}} battle music in [[Johto]]-based games and Pokémon Black 2 and White 2's [[Champions Tournament]].<br /> * Red's T-shirt in Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon bears the number 96, referencing the original Japanese release year of Pokémon Red and Green.<br /> * Red is the only protagonist to be battled, as an NPC, outside of the generation he was introduced in.<br /> * A Trainer closely resembling an older Red briefly appears in {{DetPikMov}}, where he is shown in a promotional advertisement on the train to [[Ryme City]]. This Trainer is played by Japanese actor Ryoma Takeuchi.<br /> <br /> ==Names==<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;float:left; background:#{{red color light}}; border:3px solid #{{red color}}&quot;<br /> |-<br /> ! Language<br /> ! Name<br /> ! Origin<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Japanese<br /> | レッド <br /> {{tt|''Reddo''|Red}}<br /> | From ''{{game3|Red and Green|Pokémon Red|s}}''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | English, French,&lt;br&gt;Brazilian Portuguese<br /> | Red<br /> | From ''{{game3|Red and Blue|Pokémon Red|s}}''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | German<br /> | Rot<br /> | From ''Pokémon Rote Edition'' (Pokémon Red)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Spanish<br /> | Rojo<br /> | From ''Pokémon Edición Roja'' (Pokémon Red)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Italian<br /> | Rosso<br /> | From ''Pokémon Versione Rossa'' (Pokémon Red)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Korean<br /> | 레드 <br /> {{tt|''Ledeu''|Red}}<br /> | Transcription of his Japanese name<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})<br /> | 赤紅 / 赤红 ''Chìhóng''<br /> | rowspan=&quot;2&quot;|From 赤 ''chì / chek'' (red) and 紅 / 红 ''hóng / hùhng'' (red)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})<br /> | 赤紅 ''Chekhùhng''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Thai<br /> | เรด<br /> {{tt|''Ret''|Red}}<br /> | Transcription of his Japanese name<br /> |}{{-}}<br /> <br /> ===Placeholder names===<br /> ====Pokémon Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow====<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;float:left; background:#{{red color light}}; border:3px solid #{{red color}}&quot;<br /> |-<br /> ! Language<br /> ! Name<br /> ! Origin<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | rowspan=3 | Japanese<br /> | やまぐち ''Yamaguchi''{{sup/1|RG}}<br /> | From ''Wataru Yamaguchi'', an art director that worked on the original games<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF;&quot;<br /> | ゲーフリ ''Gēfuri''{{sup/1|B}}<br /> | From ''[[Game Freak]]''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF;&quot;<br /> | ゲーフリ1 ''Gēfuri1''{{sup/1|Y}}<br /> | From ''Game Freak''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF;&quot;<br /> | English, French, German,&lt;br&gt;Italian, Spanish<br /> | Ninten<br /> | From ''[[Nintendo]]''<br /> |}{{-}}<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon FireRed, LeafGeen, and Emerald====<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;float:left; background:#{{red color light}}; border:3px solid #{{red color}}&quot;<br /> |-<br /> ! Language<br /> ! Name<br /> ! Origin<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Japanese<br /> | レッド<br /> {{tt|''Reddo''|Red}}<br /> | From ''{{game3|Red and Green|Pokémon Red|s}}''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF;&quot;<br /> | English, French<br /> | Red<br /> | From ''{{game3|Red and Blue|Pokémon Red|s}}''<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | German<br /> | Rot<br /> | From ''Pokémon Rote Edition'' (Pokémon Red)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF&quot;<br /> | Italian<br /> | Rosso<br /> | From ''Pokémon Versione Rossa'' (Pokémon Red)<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#FFF;&quot;<br /> | Spanish<br /> | Joro<br /> | From ''rojo'' (red) with the syllables reversed, from ''Pokémon Edición Roja'' (Pokémon Red)<br /> |}{{-}}<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references&gt;<br /> &lt;ref name=&quot;RBGY age&quot;&gt;[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: &quot;''You are an '''11 year-old''' boy living in Pallet Town with your mother.''&quot; (Emphasis added.)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> &lt;ref name=&quot;GSC age&quot;&gt;{{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} take place 3 years after the [[Generation I]] core series games&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> &lt;ref name=&quot;SMUSUM age&quot;&gt;[[Porygon (Pokémon)|Porygon]] Pokédex entry from Ultra Moon: &quot;It was built '''20 years ago''' by scientists who dreamed of exploring space. Their dreams have yet to come true.&quot; (Emphasis added.)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> &lt;/references&gt;<br /> <br /> {{reflist}}<br /> <br /> {{-}}<br /> {{Player characters|red}}<br /> {{NPC|Red|johto=yes|alola=yes|kanto=yes}}&lt;br&gt;<br /> {{Champions|red}}&lt;br&gt;<br /> {{Smash Bros.}}<br /> {{Project CharacterDex notice}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Red, Blue and Yellow characters]]<br /> [[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal characters]]<br /> [[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen characters]]<br /> [[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver characters]]<br /> [[Category:Black 2 and White 2 characters]]<br /> [[Category:Sun and Moon characters]]<br /> [[Category:Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon characters]]<br /> [[Category:Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! characters]]<br /> [[Category:Stadium 2 characters]]<br /> [[Category:Pokémon Generations characters]]<br /> [[Category:Pokémon Evolutions characters]]<br /> [[Category:Manga characters]]<br /> [[Category:Trainers with Legendary Pokémon]]<br /> [[Category:Battle facility leaders]]<br /> [[Category:Trainers with Key Stones]]<br /> [[Category:Trainers with Z-Rings]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Rot (Spielcharakter)]]<br /> [[es:Rojo (personaje)]]<br /> [[fr:Red (jeux vidéo)]]<br /> [[it:Rosso (gioco)]]<br /> [[ja:レッド]]<br /> [[zh:赤紅]]</div>

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