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Pokémon Scarlet and Violet

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{{Infobox game|colorscheme=Scarlet|bordercolorscheme=Violet
|name=Pokémon Scarlet
|name2=Pokémon Violet
|jname=ポケットモンスタースカーレット
|jname2=ポケットモンスターバイオレット
|boxart=Scarlet EN boxart.png
|boxart2=Violet EN boxart.png
|caption=Pokémon Scarlet's boxart, [[Game mascot|featuring]] {{p|Koraidon}}
|caption2=Pokémon Violet's boxart, [[Game mascot|featuring]] {{p|Miraidon}}
|jbox=Scarlet JP boxart.png
|jbox2=Violet JP boxart.png
|jcaption=Pokémon Scarlet Japanese boxart
|jcaption2=Pokémon Violet Japanese boxart
|category=RPG
|gen_series=[[Generation IX]] [[core series]]
|players=1-4 players simultaneous
|platform=[[Nintendo Switch]]
|link_method=Wireless, [[Nintendo Switch Online]]
|release_date_ja=November 18, 2022
|release_date_au=November 18, 2022
|release_date_eu=November 18, 2022
|release_date_na=November 18, 2022
|release_date_kr=November 18, 2022
|release_date_hk=November 18, 2022
|release_date_tw=November 18, 2022
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]/[[The Pokémon Company]]
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|cero=A
|esrb=E
|pegi=7
|acb=PG
|oflc=PG
|grb=ALL
|gsrr=6+
|staff=no
|stafflink=Staff of Pokémon Scarlet and Violet
|website_ja=[https://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sv/ja/ Pokémon.co.jp]
|website_en=[https://scarletviolet.pokemon.com/en-us/ Pokémon.com]
}}
'''Pokémon Scarlet''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスタースカーレット}}''' ''Pocket Monsters Scarlet'') and '''Pokémon Violet''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ポケットモンスターバイオレット}}''' ''Pocket Monsters Violet'') are the primary [[Core series|paired versions]] of [[Generation IX]]. The games were released on the [[Nintendo Switch]] worldwide on November 18, 2022. All copies of the game are playable in nine languages: Japanese, English, German, Spanish, French, Italian, Korean, and Simplified and Traditional Chinese.

The game was announced worldwide on [[Pokémon Day]], February 27, 2022, at 11 P.M. JST via [[Pokémon Press Conference#2022|Pokémon Presents]].

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
The [[player character]], having just moved to the [[Paldea]] [[region]] with their [[mother]], now lives in the small settlement of [[Cabo Poco]] and prepares to start their studies at the [[Naranja Academy]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Uva Academy]]{{sup/9|V}} in the region's biggest city, [[Mesagoza]]. The academy's director, [[Clavell]], gives the player a choice of one of three [[starter Pokémon]] and introduces them to their next-door neighbor and the head of the academy's student council, [[Nemona]]. Despite being a {{pkmn|Champion}}-level {{pkmn|Trainer}}, Nemona also takes one of the starter Pokémon in her care in order to train a new team alongside the player. While exploring [[Poco Path]], the player encounters a weak {{ga|Koraidon}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{ga|Miraidon}}{{sup/9|V}}, which saves them from a pack of angry {{p|Houndour}}. An academy student named [[Arven]] identifies the Pokémon and hands its {{i|Poké Ball}} to the player.

As the player and Nemona make their way to Mesagoza, she introduces them to the [[Terastal phenomenon]] and arranges for the player to receive a [[Tera Orb]] so they can utilize the phenomenon as well. In Mesagoza, the player saves a girl named [[Penny]] from being harassed by members of [[Team Star]], a group of delinquent academy students accused of bullying. They are also contacted by [[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}}, Arven's mother{{sup/9|S}}/father{{sup/9|V}}, who reveals that the Koraidon{{sup/9|S}}/Miraidon{{sup/9|V}} the player now travels with was originally under their possession, and asks the player to look after it.

Three days later, Director Clavell initiates the Treasure Hunt, an independent study assignment where the {{tc|student}}s of the academy journey across Paldea in order to find something that they can call their own personal treasure. This allows the player to initiate three different storylines, either simultaneously or one by one.

===Victory Road===
At Nemona's urging, the player sets out to challenge the eight [[Gym|Pokémon Gyms]] around Paldea. Those who collect the eight necessary [[Badge|Gym Badges]] may take on the Champion Assessment at the {{pal|Pokémon League}} headquarters and obtain the Champion Rank. While the player travels around the region to challenge the Gyms in any order they wish, Nemona frequently shows up to support the player in various ways, most often by battling. The player is also introduced to [[Geeta]], the chairwoman of the [[Paldea League|Paldea Pokémon League]] and the region's strongest Champion-ranked Trainer, the Top Champion, as well as several members of Paldea's [[Elite Four]].

Once the player has all eight Gym Badges, they make their way to the Pokémon League headquarters. After passing an interview test, the player battles and defeats the Elite Four and Geeta, making them a Champion-ranked Trainer. Excited by the player finally becoming her equal, Nemona challenges them to one more battle, in which she holds nothing back. Defeating her in this battle concludes the Victory Road storyline.

===Path of Legends===
[[Arven]] tells the player about the five [[giant Pokémon]] known as [[Titan Pokémon]] he has read about that reside in various places over Paldea, and requests the player's help in defeating them and collecting their [[Herba Mystica]]s, legendary herbs said to have amazing health benefits. During the quest to defeat the Titans, the player's Koraidon{{sup/9|S}}/Miraidon{{sup/9|V}} gradually regains its old abilities by eating [[sandwich]]es made with the Herba Mysticas. Arven eventually also reveals that he wishes to use the Herba Mysticas to help heal his partner, {{p|Mabosstiff}}, who was severely injured a while back.

After all the Herba Mysticas have been collected, the player's Koraidon{{sup/9|S}}/Miraidon{{sup/9|V}} has recovered all of its former powers, excluding its ability to {{pkmn|battle}}, and Arven's Mabosstiff makes a full recovery, much to Arven's immense relief. The {{pkmn|Professor}} then requests the player to come see them at their laboratory at the Great Crater of Paldea, with Arven battling the player at his full power to test if they're both ready to take on the most dangerous area in the region. Defeating him concludes the Path of Legends.

===★ Starfall Street ★===
An individual referring to themselves as [[Cassiopeia]] hacks into the player's [[Rotom Phone]] and requests the player's help in taking down Team Star in an operation codenamed "Operation Starfall". Director Clavell, disguised as an academy student and using the pseudonym "Clive", joins the player as they make their way around Paldea to take down the five squads of Team Star at their bases by defeating the boss of each squad. During the player's one-man war against the team, they gradually learn more about the team's history. The team was formed by victims of bullying who, rallied together by their mysterious "big boss", decided to finally confront their bullies. However, when confronted 18 months before the events of the game, the bullies fled without even attempting to fight back and dropped out of the academy. Moreover, the then-deputy director of the academy wiped out all the cases of bullying from the school's records, making Team Star seem like bullies themselves. Blaming themselves for having failed to prevent this from occurring, the entire staff of the academy had resigned as a result, explaining why none of the current staff members know anything about the incident.

Eventually, once all five of Team Star's squads have been taken down, Cassiopeia reveals themselves as the "big boss" of Team Star, having started Operation Starfall because the team cannot continue operating in its current way, and tells the player to confront them in the schoolyard at night. At the academy, Clavell takes off his disguise and claims himself to be Cassiopeia, but after being defeated in a battle, he admits he was simply testing the player to see if they'd be ready to face the real Cassiopeia. The player meets the real Cassiopeia in the schoolyard, who reveals herself to be Penny. After Penny has been defeated, Clavell reveals that the Team Star bosses were watching the battle, and allows the team to continue operating as long as they turn their bases into training facilities for Trainers, which they accept. This concludes ★ Starfall Street ★.

===The Way Home===
After the first three stories have been concluded, the player, Arven, Nemona, and Penny make their way to [[Area Zero]] at the Great Crater of Paldea, following the Professor's request. As the group travels to four research stations around the area to unlock the door to the Professor's laboratory, they encounter primeval{{sup/9|S}}/mechanical{{sup/9|V}} Pokémon, which are revealed to have been brought to the present day from another era by a [[Time travel|time machine]] created by the Professor, including two specimens of {{p|Koraidon}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Miraidon}}{{sup/9|V}}. At the laboratory's entrance, some of these [[Paradox Pokémon]] confront the player and their friends, forcing the player to enter the [[Zero Lab]] alone while their friends fight off the Pokémon outside.

Inside the laboratory, the player discovers that the Professor is actually a robot, created by the real Professor before they were killed by one of the Paradox Pokémon. The {{wp|artificial intelligence}} within the robot, despite being an exact copy of the Professor's memories and emotions, opposes the original Professor's plan to keep the time machine running, as it would threaten to destroy Paldea's ecosystem with an overflow of Paradox Pokémon. However, since the AI is programmed to protect the time machine, the player is forced to battle it against its will. Once the AI has been defeated, the player is rejoined by their friends, and a program called the Paradise Protection Protocol takes over the robot Professor, as well as locking all [[Poké Ball]]s not marked with the Professor's ID. Finally regaining its ability to battle, the player's Koraidon{{sup/9|S}}/Miraidon{{sup/9|V}} confronts and defeats the other member of its kind, ending the Paradise Protection Protocol's hold over the AI. The AI, however, recognizes that its systems are so integrally connected with the time machine that the machine cannot be shut down as long as it remains present. As such, the AI chooses to travel to another era using the time machine, bidding the player and their friends farewell as it disappears. After the time machine permanently shuts down, the player and their friends decide to take a slow and scenic route back to Mesagoza, concluding The Way Home and the main game.

===Post-game===
With the player and their friends returning to normal school life, Nemona suggests hosting a battle tournament at the school to celebrate the player's new Champion status, requesting for Geeta to take part in it as well as she is the chairwoman of the academy's school board. While Geeta says she's busy with her duties as the Pokémon League chairwoman, she agrees to take part if the player takes her place at inspecting all the [[Gym Leader]]s to see if they're still worthy of keeping their positions. As such, the player returns to each Gym and takes on the eight Gym Leaders once more in a series of [[rematch]]es.

After the player has finished the rematches and reported their inspection results to Geeta, the tournament, dubbed the [[Academy Ace Tournament]], is finally conducted. The player defeats Arven in the first round, biology teacher [[Jacq]] in the second round, battle studies teacher [[Dendra]] in the third round, and Geeta in the finals, officially making them the strongest Trainer at the academy. Clavell then declares that the tournament will not be a one-time event and will henceforth be held regularly, concluding the post-game story.

==Features==
The game is set in the [[Paldea]] [[region]] and is an open-world game in which areas are seamlessly connected. The areas in the game can be visited in any order without Pokémon's levels being scaled to the player's achievements. The game also features multiplayer with up to four players simultaneously, enabling [[trade|trading]] and [[Pokémon battle|battling]] between players as well as allowing them to travel through the game's areas together.

===Terastal phenomenon===
{{main|Terastal phenomenon}}
The Terastal phenomenon is a new type of transformation that allows any Pokémon from the Paldea region to power up and become bejeweled using the [[Tera Orb]]. After Terastalizing, a Pokémon's natural type attribute is either enhanced or altered according to their innate Tera Type.

===Paradox Pokémon===
{{main|Paradox Pokémon}}
The Paradox Pokémon appear for the first time as "unidentified creatures"<ref>https://scarletviolet.pokemon.com/en-us/news/books/</ref>. {{p|Great Tusk}} is described in the Scarlet Book appearing in Pokémon Scarlet, while {{p|Iron Treads}} is described in the Violet Book appearing in Pokémon Violet. They are a group of unique Pokémon that came from the ancient past in Pokémon Scarlet and the future in Pokémon Violet.

===Gyms===
Scarlet and Violet feature [[Gym]]s, just like most of the other core series titles. In Paldea, the Gym Leaders are [[Katy]] ({{t|Bug}}), [[Brassius]] ({{t|Grass}}), [[Iono]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Kofu]] ({{t|Water}}), [[Larry]] ({{t|Normal}}), [[Ryme]] ({{t|Ghost}}), [[Tulip]] ({{t|Psychic}}), and [[Grusha]] ({{t|Ice}}). For the first time in the series, the player is able to challenge the Gyms in any order they wish.

===Elite Four and Champion===
Unlike the past few generation, the Elite Four can only be challenged in a fixed order. The members are [[Rika]] ({{t|Ground}}), [[Poppy]] ({{t|Steel}}), [[Larry]] ({{t|Flying}}), and [[Hassel]] ({{t|Dragon}}). After defeating all four Elite Four members, the player will face the Top Champion, [[Geeta]], who uses a team consisting a variety of types.

===[[Version-exclusive Pokémon]]===
Most version-exclusive Pokémon can be encountered and caught by players of the opposite version who join a [[Union Circle]] or [[Tera Raid Battle]], except for Koraidon and Miraidon, which require trading. {{p|Armarouge}} and {{p|Ceruledge}} can be obtained through raids, even solo raids in the opposite version that their evolution items can be obtained in, but not a Union Circle, and vice versa for Paradox Pokémon.
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{{Moveentrytm|0435|Skuntank|2|Poison|Dark|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0633|Deino|2|Dark|Dragon|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0634|Zweilous|2|Dark|Dragon|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0635|Hydreigon|2|Dark|Dragon|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0690|Skrelp|2|Poison|Water|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0691|Dragalge|2|Poison|Dragon|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0765|Oranguru|2|Normal|Psychic|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0874|Stonjourner|1|Rock|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0984|Great Tusk|2|Ground|Fighting|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0985|Scream Tail|2|Fairy|Psychic|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0986|Brute Bonnet|2|Grass|Dark|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0987|Flutter Mane|2|Ghost|Fairy|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0988|Slither Wing|2|Bug|Fighting|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0989|Sandy Shocks|2|Electric|Ground|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|1005|Roaring Moon|2|Dragon|Dark|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|1007|Koraidon|2|Fighting|Dragon|gen=9}}
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{{Moveentrytm|0200|Misdreavus|1|Ghost|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0316|Gulpin|1|Poison|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0317|Swalot|1|Poison|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0371|Bagon|1|Dragon|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0372|Shelgon|1|Dragon|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0373|Salamence|2|Dragon|Flying|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0429|Mismagius|1|Ghost|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0692|Clauncher|1|Water|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0693|Clawitzer|1|Water|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0766|Passimian|1|Fighting|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0875|Eiscue|1|Ice|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0885|Dreepy|2|Dragon|Ghost|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0886|Drakloak|2|Dragon|Ghost|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0887|Dragapult|2|Dragon|Ghost|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0990|Iron Treads|2|Ground|Steel|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0991|Iron Bundle|2|Ice|Water|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0992|Iron Hands|2|Fighting|Electric|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0993|Iron Jugulis|2|Dark|Flying|gen=9}}
{{Moveentrytm|0994|Iron Moth|2|Fire|Poison|gen=9}}
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==Compatibility==
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet are set to be able to connect with [[Pokémon HOME]] in spring 2023. This allows them to store and receive Pokémon from Pokémon HOME, including Pokémon from previous [[generation]]s that were [[transfer]]red into Pokémon HOME. However, only Pokémon that are available within Pokémon Scarlet and Violet can be transferred to them.

===Unusable moves===
{{main|List of moves by availability (Generation IX)}}
In Pokémon Scarlet and Violet, many moves, including {{cat|Moves usable in Pokémon Sword and Shield|those that are usable in Sword and Shield}}, are no longer usable. Pokémon do not normally learn these moves in the game. In lieu of their usual descriptions, most of these moves instead have the following generic description: "''This move can't be used. It's recommended that this move is forgotten. Once forgotten, this move can't be remembered.''"

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|+ style="display: table-caption; text-align: center" | '''Unusable moves'''
! {{color2|000|Move}}
! {{color2|000|Type}}
! Generic description
|-
|{{m|Aeroblast}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Anchor Shot}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Aromatherapy}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Assist}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Aura Wheel}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Autotomize}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Baddy Bad}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Barrage}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Barrier}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Beak Blast}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Bestow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Bide}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Blue Flare}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Bolt Beak}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Bolt Strike}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Bone Club}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Bonemerang}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Bouncy Bubble}}
{{typetable|Water}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Bubble}}
{{typetable|Water}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Buzzy Buzz}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Camouflage}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Captivate}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Chatter}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Chip Away}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Clamp}}
{{typetable|Water}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Clanging Scales}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Clangorous Soul}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Comet Punch}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Constrict}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Conversion}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Conversion 2}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Core Enforcer}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Crafty Shield}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Crush Grip}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Dark Void}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Decorate}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Dizzy Punch}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Doom Desire}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Double Iron Bash}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Double Slap}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Dragon Hammer}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Dragon Rage}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Dual Chop}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Egg Bomb}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Electrify}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Embargo}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Eternabeam}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Feint Attack}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Fishious Rend}}
{{typetable|Water}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Flame Burst}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Flash}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Floaty Fall}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Floral Healing}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Flower Shield}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Foresight}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Forest's Curse}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Freeze Shock}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Freezy Frost}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Frustration}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Fusion Bolt}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Fusion Flare}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Gear Grind}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Gear Up}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Geomancy}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Glaciate}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Glitzy Glow}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Grass Whistle}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Grudge}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Hail}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Head Charge}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Heal Block}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Heal Order}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Heart Stamp}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Hidden Power}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Hyper Fang}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Ice Ball}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Ice Burn}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Ion Deluge}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Jump Kick}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Karate Chop}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Kinesis}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|King's Shield}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Land's Wrath}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Laser Focus}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Leaf Tornado}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Light of Ruin}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Lovely Kiss}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Lucky Chant}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Luster Purge}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Magic Coat}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Magnet Bomb}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Magnitude}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Mat Block}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Me First}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Meditate}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Meteor Assault}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Mind Reader}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Miracle Eye}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Mirror Move}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Mirror Shot}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Mist Ball}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Mud Bomb}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Mud Sport}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Natural Gift}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Nature Power}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Needle Arm}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Nightmare}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Oblivion Wing}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Obstruct}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Octazooka}}
{{typetable|Water}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Octolock}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Odor Sleuth}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Ominous Wind}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Pika Papow}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Powder}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Power-Up Punch}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Psycho Boost}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Psycho Shift}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Psywave}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Punishment}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Purify}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Pursuit}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Rage}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Razor Wind}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Refresh}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Return}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Revenge}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Rock Climb}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Rock Wrecker}}
{{typetable|Rock}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Rolling Kick}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Rototiller}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Sacred Fire}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Sappy Seed}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Searing Shot}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Secret Power}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Secret Sword}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Seed Flare}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Sharpen}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Signal Beam}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Silver Wind}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Sizzly Slide}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Sketch}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Skull Bash}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Sky Drop}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Sky Uppercut}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Smelling Salts}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Snap Trap}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Snatch}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Sonic Boom}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Sparkling Aria}}
{{typetable|Water}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Sparkly Swirl}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Spider Web}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Spike Cannon}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Splishy Splash}}
{{typetable|Water}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Spotlight}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Steamroller}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Storm Throw}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Strange Steam}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Submission}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Synchronoise}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Tail Glow}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Take Heart}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Techno Blast}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Telekinesis}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Thousand Arrows}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Thousand Waves}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Topsy-Turvy}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Toxic Thread}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Trick-or-Treat}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Triple Kick}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{No}}
|-
|{{m|Trump Card}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Twineedle}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Veevee Volley}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Venom Drench}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Vital Throw}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Wake-Up Slap}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Water Sport}}
{{typetable|Water}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Wring Out}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|-
|{{m|Zippy Zap}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
| class="c" {{Yes}}
|}
* In addition, all [[Z-Moves]] and [[Max Moves]] are also unusable in these games.

===[[Save data bonus]]es===
If the [[Nintendo Switch]] system being used has save data from previous mainline Pokémon games, the player may talk to an NPC in [[Mesagoza]] to receive a case for the [[Rotom Phone]]:
* Pika-Vee Case, if [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu! or Let's Go, Eevee!]] save data exists.
* Ball Guy Case, if {{pkmn|Sword and Shield|Sword or Shield}} save data exists.
* Pokétch Case, if {{pkmn|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond or Shining Pearl}} save data exists.
* Arc Phone Case, if {{pkmn|Legends: Arceus}} save data exists.

==Reception==
{{wp|IGN}} rated the games an "Okay" 6/10.<ref>[https://www.ign.com/articles/pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-review Pokémon Scarlet and Violet Review - IGN]</ref> They are the lowest rated core series games on {{wp|Metacritic}},<ref>[https://www.gamesradar.com/pokemon-violet-is-now-the-lowest-rated-mainline-pokemon-game/ Pokemon Violet is now the lowest-rated mainline Pokemon game - GamesRadar]</ref> holding a score of 72%<ref>[https://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/pokemon-scarlet Pokémon Scarlet for Switch Reviews - Metacritic]</ref> and 71%<ref>[https://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/pokemon-violet Pokémon Violet for Switch Reviews - Metacritic]</ref> respectively.

===Sales===
The games are the most pre-ordered games in the series' history.<ref>https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2257288/full/</ref> They sold over 10 million units in their launch weekend, which is the highest for any Nintendo game in this time frame.<ref>[https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/pokemon/23475973/pokemon-scarlet-violet-sells-10-million-copies-nintedo-switch Bugs aside, Pokémon Scarlet and Violet sell 10M copies - Polygon]</ref> As of December 31, 2022, Pokémon Scarlet and Violet have sold 20.61 million copies worldwide.<ref>[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html Top Selling Title Sales Units - Nintendo Switch Software]</ref>

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}}

==Version history==
{| class="roundtable" style="background:#{{Scarlet color}}; border:3px solid #{{Violet color}}"
! style="background:#{{Violet color light}}" | Version
! style="background:#{{Violet color light}}" | Release date
! style="background:#{{Violet color light}}" | Game file size
! style="background:#{{Violet color light}}" | Official note
! style="background:#{{Violet color light}}" | More information
|-
| 1.0.0
| Initial release
| 5.5 GB
| N/A
| Playable version only available via physical game cart.
|-
| 1.0.1
| November 10, 2022
| 6.6 GB
|
* Various bug fixes and adjustments have been made to make your gameplay experience more enjoyable.
** '''NOTE:''' In order to enjoy Mystery Gifts and features using online play, you will need to have downloaded the latest data.
|
* The original version when downloading from Nintendo eShop.
* This update is required for online connectivity.
* Certain Pokémon had move compatibility changed.
* The base stat totals of the members of the {{DL|Legendary Pokémon|Treasures of Ruin}} were lowered by 10 each.
|-
| 1.1.0
| December 1, 2022
| 6.6 GB
|
*Season 1 of Ranked Battles will kick off, allowing you to enjoy Ranked Battles through the Battle Stadium.
**Please check the in-game notice for more details about Ranked Battles Season 1.
*An issue has been fixed that caused the music to not play correctly during the battles with the Elite Four and the Top Champion in the Victory Road path.
*Other select bug fixes have been made.

We are aware that players may encounter issues that affect the games' performance. Our goal is always to give players a positive experience with our games, and we apologize for the inconvenience. We take the feedback from players seriously and are working on improvements to the games.
|
* Pokémon afflicted by the {{status|sleep}} [[status condition]] in battle now close their eyes.
* Some Pokémon now use proper idle animations in battles.
|-
| 1.2.0
| Scheduled for the end of February 2023
| TBA
|
Thank you for playing the Pokémon series.

Below are some details regarding the version 1.2.0 update planned for release in late February 2023 for the Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet games.

With this update, we are planning to add features to Pokémon Boxes and fix bugs that affect game progress, among other updates. We will continue to take your feedback very seriously and take measures to improve your gameplay experience.

<h4>Feature Adjustments</h4>
* Additional functionality will be added for Pokémon Boxes:
** From a Pokémon’s summary, players will be able to change Pokémon’s nicknames, markings, held items, and mark- or Ribbon-related titles, as well as being able to reorder moves, have Pokémon remember moves, have Pokémon forget moves, and use TMs.
** Players will be able to swap out held items by pressing the Y Button when in the Held Items view.
** Players will be able to select All Boxes while moving Pokémon or items in the Party and Boxes view and Held Items view.
** When in the Battle Team view, Pokémon in your Boxes that are assigned to a Battle Team will now have their icons displayed in a darker hue if those Pokémon are members of the Battle Team that is currently being displayed.
* The News screen will be displayed when you connect to the internet from the main menu, just as it is when connecting to the internet from the Poké Portal.

<h4>Bug Fixes</h4>
<h5>Tera Raid Battles</h5>
* A bug that can prevent an opposing Tera Pokémon’s HP gauge from properly reflecting damage done by certain moves (such as Play Rough) or certain status conditions may occur in Tera Raid Battles, resulting in the Tera Pokémon’s HP gauge fluctuating in an unusual manner. This will be fixed.
* A bug that causes all Pokémon on your side to faint at once despite their HP gauges indicating that they still have HP may occur in black crystal Tera Raid Battles against Pokémon with the Mightiest Mark. This will be fixed.
* A bug that can temporarily prevent a player from entering any input into the game may occur if a Tera Pokémon takes certain actions while the player is choosing the target of their move. This will be fixed.
* A bug that causes a communication error may occur when someone connecting to a Tera Raid Battle sees a different Pokémon displayed on their screen than what the host sees. This will be fixed.
* A bug may occur that causes players joining a Tera Raid Battle from the Tera Raid Battles search screen to be brought to a Tera Raid Battle against a Pokémon different from the one they saw displayed. This will be fixed.
* A bug that causes Tera Raid Battle crystals to not appear for a set amount of time may occur under certain circumstances. This will be fixed.

<h5>Battles</h5>
* Type matchups against Pokémon that have fainted will no longer appear when selecting a move or target during Double Battles.
* A Zoroark that has Terastallized and is disguised as another Pokémon via its Illusion Ability can be identified as a Zoroark by using the Check Target option. This is a bug and will be fixed.
* When a Zoroark has Terastallized and is disguised as another Pokémon via its Illusion Ability, the type matchups of moves are displayed based on the type of the Pokémon that Zoroark is disguised as, rather than Zoroark’s Tera Type. This is a bug and will be fixed.
* The stats of a Dondozo with a Tatsugiri in its mouth will increase when Dondozo uses Order Up, even when the move should have been negated (for example, by an opponent using Protect). This is a bug and will be fixed.
* If a Pokémon Terastallizes after using Destiny Bond and then faints, the effects of Destiny Bond will fail to activate. This is a bug and will be fixed.

<h5>Other</h5>
* We will address an issue that can cause the game to forcibly close at certain locations. As a result of this fix, there may be a reduction of Pokémon and people displayed in certain towns or in the wild.
* When a Pokémon that is not a part of the Paldea Pokédex is obtained through a Link Trade, it is displayed as being registered to the Paldea Pokédex. This is a bug and will be fixed.
* Certain actions can cause the main character’s expressions to not change until the game is closed and reopened. This will be fixed.
* A bug occurred for some players after Ranked Battles Season 1, wherein visiting the Ranked Battles screen immediately after the season’s results had been calculated caused a communication error right after these players received their rewards. Following this error, players were unable to participate in any further Ranked Battles. This will be fixed.
* If a player has created several Battle Teams but does not use the Battle Team in the first slot for their Ranked Battles, they may not receive the Master Rank Ribbon after winning Ranked Battles in the Master Ball Tier. This will be fixed.
* When a Pokémon you caught comes back to you from another player through Link Trade, it may not listen to your commands in accordance with what is written in the profile app (“Pokémon caught at Lv. XX or below will listen to your commands”). This will be fixed.
* A bug is preventing the Pokédex from displaying additional entries (such as entries for Shiny Pokémon or Pokémon that were received through Surprise Trade from players that play in a different language) for Pokémon species that were already registered in the Pokédex. This will be fixed.
* Objects such as Poké Balls may be displayed in certain locations of the field unintentionally. This will be fixed.
* Passersby will no longer be displayed during certain battles that take place in towns during the main story.
* Other select bug fixes will be implemented.

<h5>Notes:</h5>
* We are planning further features and bug fixes not listed in these patch notes. Please check back here for full details when the update data is distributed.
* Update contents and details are subject to change.
|
|}
Notes:
* v1.0.0 is present on the physical game carts, and is playable on a Switch whose internet connection remains off.

==Gallery==
===Logos===
<gallery perrow=6>
Pokémon Scarlet logo.png|English Scarlet logo
Pokémon Scarlet logo FR.png|French Scarlet logo
Pokémon Violet logo.png|English and French Violet logo
Pokémon Scarlet logo JP.png|Japanese Scarlet logo
Pokémon Violet logo JP.png|Japanese Violet logo
Pokémon Scarlet logo KR.png|Korean Scarlet logo
Pokémon Violet logo KR.png|Korean Violet logo
Pokémon Scarlet logo SC.png|Simplified Chinese Scarlet logo
Pokémon Violet logo SC.png|Simplified Chinese Violet logo
Pokémon Scarlet logo TC.png|Traditional Chinese Scarlet logo
Pokémon Violet logo TC.png|Traditional Chinese Violet logo
Pokémon Scarlet logo DE.png|German Scarlet logo
Pokémon Violet logo DE.png|German Violet logo
Pokémon Scarlet logo IT.png|Italian Scarlet logo
Pokémon Violet logo IT.png|Italian Violet logo
Pokémon Scarlet logo ES.png|Spanish Scarlet logo
Pokémon Violet logo ES.png|Spanish Violet logo
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* The titles of Pokémon Scarlet and Violet are similar to [[Core series#Unused trademarks|several Japanese trademarks]] registered by [[Nintendo]], [[Creatures, Inc.|Creatures]], and [[Game Freak]] in 2008 and 2009. The Chinese titles use the same characters as two of the trademarks.
** '''Pocket Monsters Vermilion''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター{{tt|朱|しゅ}}''') [application number 2008-093273, registration number 5222908]
** '''Pocket Monsters Purple''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター{{tt|紫|むらさき}}''') [application number 2008-093274, registration number 5222909]
** '''Pocket Monsters Crimson''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター{{tt|紅|くれない}}''') [application number 2008-093275, registration number 5222910]
** '''Pocket Monsters Scarlet''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター{{tt|緋|ひ}}''') [application number 2008-093276, registration number 5222911]
** '''Pocket Monsters Vermilion''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターヴァーミリオン''') [application number 2009-060076, registration number 5307994]
** '''Pocket Monsters Purple''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターパープル''') [application number 2009-060077, registration number 5307995]
** '''Pocket Monsters Crimson''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスタークリムゾン''') [application number 2009-060078, registration number 5341303]
** '''Pocket Monsters Scarlet''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスタースカーレット''') [application number 2009-060079, registration number 5341304]
* These are the first paired core series games:
** In which the player characters' initial appearance differs depending on the version.
*** In addition, these are the first core series games in which the player characters wear the same outfit regardless of gender.
** To feature version-exclusive [[Pokémon Professor]]s.
** Since {{game|Black and White|s 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2}} to be named after colors.
* There are many hints and rumors of there being a DLC for Scarlet & Violet.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{scarlet color}}|bordercolor={{violet color light}}
|ja={{tt|ポケットモンスタースカーレット・バイオレット|Pocket Monsters Scarlet & Violet}}
|zh_yue={{tt|寶可夢朱／紫|Pokémon Jyū / Jí}}
|zh_cmn={{tt|寶可夢朱／紫 宝可梦朱／紫|Bǎokěmèng Zhū / Zǐ}}
|fr=Pokémon Écarlate et Violet
|de=Pokémon Karmesin und Purpur
|it=Pokémon Scarlatto e Violetto
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 스칼렛・바이올렛|Pocket Monsters Scarlet & Violet}}
|pt=Pokémon Scarlet e Violet
|es=Pokémon Escarlata y Púrpura
}}


==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Scarlet and Violet|*]]
[[Category:Nintendo Switch games]]

[[de:Pokémon Karmesin und Purpur]]
[[es:Pokémon Escarlata y Pokémon Púrpura]]
[[fr:Pokémon Écarlate et Violet]]
[[it:Pokémon Scarlatto e Violetto]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスタースカーレット・バイオレット]]
[[zh:宝可梦朱／紫]]

History of the Pokémon world

2022-12-28T00:11:59Z

IsaacBoi123: fixed spelling

{{fan speculation}}
Below is a timeline of events in the '''history of the Pokémon world''', primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon games]], since these tend to also apply to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events for the anime series]] as well as [[Timeline of events in Pokémon Adventures|one for Pokémon Adventures]], both of which differ from that of the games.

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]]. It is not entirely clear if these legends are true or not, but there are many hints in the series that suggest that they are.

Please note that the timeline below is based on speculation and confirmed information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

==Timeline==
[[File:Kyogre Groudon legend.png|thumb|250px|The clash between Groudon and Kyogre as depicted in ancient paintings]]
===Beginning of the [[Pokémon universe]]===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.

* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|Egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first being in existence. Arceus then creates {{p|Dialga|time}}, {{p|Palkia|space}}, and {{p|Giratina|anti-matter}}. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia then succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]] and retreat into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.

* Arceus then creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".

* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]].

* Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The [[Red Orb|Red]] and [[Blue Orb]]s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, {{p|Mew}} may have been plentiful and lived in large numbers.

* Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and creates the three titans, {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}}, out of clay, ice, and magma, respectively.

* The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world, and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the [[Adamant Orb|Adamant]], [[Lustrous Orb|Lustrous]], and [[Griseous Orb]]s before falling into a deep slumber.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil]]s and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

'''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] existed at this time. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species.

* 500 million years ago: {{p|Anorith}} is stated to have existed in primordial seas, with its eight legs at some point developing into its known eight wings.

* 300 million years ago: An ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}} lived in the sea.
** Team Plasma later used {{p|Genesect}}'s DNA to create an infinitely stronger version of it with cybernetic technology.

* An unspecified hundreds of millions of years ago: {{p|Carbink}} begins its undisturbed underground sleep after its birth. It was born from deep underground temperatures and pressures.

* 100 million years ago: Species such as {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Tirtouga}}, {{p|Archen}}, {{p|Tyrantrum}} and {{p|Amaura}} were supposedly widespread. They all ultimately went extinct, but not before Archen gave rise to bird Pokémon and Tirtouga gave rise to turtle Pokémon.
** A [[Root Fossil|fossil]] is found millions of years later in Hoenn and revived scientifically by the [[Devon Corporation]].
** {{p|Shellder}} is known to be the prey of {{p|Omastar}}.
** {{p|Carracosta}} and {{p|Archeops}} preyed on {{p|Omanyte}}. Only Carracosta is known to have eaten {{p|Omastar}}.

* {{p|Relicanth}} is said to have remained unchanged for over 100 million years.

* 3,000,000: The first humans appeared around this time.

* 1,000,000 years ago: The Great Crater of [[Paldea]] is created.

* 20,000 years ago:
** A meteorite containing {{p|Eternatus}} fell in the [[Galar]] region.
** The first {{p|Claydol}} was brought to life from a clay doll.

* 10,000 years ago:
** During the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.
** Oldest known mural depictions of {{p|Cyclizar}} being ridden by humans.

* At some point in the distant past, the {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates due to unknown reasons and becomes weaker.

* At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in the Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice, and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region after years of human worship.

* 5,000 years ago: {{p|Gogoat}} is domesticated & humans begin using them for transport.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{cat|Relic items}} are created.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''
[[File:Ultimate Weapon.png|thumb|250px|AZ and the ultimate weapon]]
* The Kalos war occurred, the [[ultimate weapon]] was created underneath [[Geosenge Town]], and [[AZ]] was given eternal life. The blast from the weapon was so big, it created a rift between time, and space, resulting in two seperate Timelines. One where Mega Evolution Exists, and One where Mega Evolution doesn't exist.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* A black storm called the [[Darkest Day]] occurred and was stopped by {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}.
* {{p|Melmetal}} is worshipped by ancient humans for its ability to create metal from nothing.

'''2,500 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The [[Relic Castle]] is built.
** The [[Dragonspiral Tower]] is known as Unova's oldest structure, though its age is unstated.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Conkeldurr}} is said to have taught humans how to make concrete using centrifugal force.

'''2,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Hoenn]] is plagued by meteor showers. A meteor turns the homeplace of the [[Draconid people]] into [[Meteor Falls]].
* The world overflowed with natural energy which {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, in their [[Primal Reversion|primal]] forms, fought over. They ravaged the earth and were only calmed by {{p|Rayquaza}} after the Draconid people summoned it using a wish on a meteor at Meteor Falls. The people of Hoenn begin to revere Rayquaza as a savior.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
*The Paldean Empire began to rule Paldea.
* The emperor of Paldea ushers in the Great Age of Exploration by sending expeditions into The Great Crater of Paldea to find the treasure rumored to lie inside.

'''1,500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.
* The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.

'''c. 1,000-2,000 years before [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] (c. 1,300-2,300 years before [[Generation IV]]):'''
* An ancient society called the Celestica people lived in the Sinnoh region. They worshiped {{p|Arceus}} and built many structures which can still be found as ruins in the region in modern times, such as [[Solaceon Ruins]], [[Snowpoint Temple]], and [[Spear Pillar]].

'''1,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* A thousand years after the events at Meteor Falls, a meteor struck Hoenn, creating Sootopolis City. {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} reawakened to fight over the wellspring of primal energy which came from it. The people of Hoenn wished on {{p|Rayquaza}} to save them, and using the meteor, Rayquaza performed the world's first [[Mega Evolution]] and calmed the two. [[Sky Pillar]] was built in Rayquaza's honor, and the [[Draconid people]] promised to pass down the prophecy that in 1,000 years the meteor would return - causing the events of the [[Delta Episode]].

'''805 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
* [[Naranja Academy]]/[[Uva Academy]] is founded in [[Mesagoza]].

'''800 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* {{p|Xerneas}} released life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to a forest, where it went to sleep in the form of a tree.
* {{p|Yveltal}} absorbed life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to the mountains, where it went to sleep in the form of a cocoon.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|250px|Ecruteak City]]

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The [[Sinjoh Ruins]] are built by two groups of people, from Sinnoh and Johto's [[Ruins of Alph]]. The site's architecture expresses a fusion of the two group's ideas and mythology.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* [[Poké Ball]]s are invented.
* The [[Diamond Clan]] and [[Pearl Clan]] lived in the Hisui region. They share a deity called almighty Sinnoh, but argue whether it {{p|Palkia|created space}} or {{p|Dialga|created time}}.
* The [[Galaxy Expedition Team]] comprised of people from many regions arrived in Hisui to explore the land, document the Pokémon, and settle the region.
* The events of [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] occur.

'''c. 700 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* A {{p|Spiritomb}} is bound to a fissure in an [[Odd Keystone]] as punishment for misdeeds.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* The [[guardian deities]] fought against {{p|Solgaleo}} and {{p|Lunala}}.
* {{p|Magearna}} is created by a scientist who used the life energy of other Pokémon to create its {{a|Soul-Heart}}, and is presented to a king's daughter.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented.<ref>'''[[Koga/Quotes|Koga]]:''' ''TM06 contains Toxic! It is a secret technique over 400 years old!''</ref>

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Azalea Town]] in [[Johto]] is struck by long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* {{p|Rolycoly}} is first discovered in a coal mine.

'''c. 300 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* [[Parfum Palace]] is built.

'''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[Village Bridge]] is constructed by a man and his {{p|Gurdurr}} after the river flooded the area.
* The island that would become [[Liberty Garden]] is bought by an ultra-rich family and {{p|Victini}} is hidden in a backroom.

'''c. 150 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]] while Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[Legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.

'''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The warehouses of [[Nacrene City]] are constructed.
* {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].
* {{p|Roggenrola}} is discovered in an earthquake fissure.

'''1925'''
* Modern [[Poké Ball]]s are developed from the research of [[Professor Westwood V|Professor Westwood]] of [[Celadon University]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Elgyem}} is seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the [[desert#In Unova|desert]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* [[Mustard]] defeats [[Opal]] and becomes {{pkmn|Champion}} of Galar.

'''c. 40 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{p|Lunatone}} is seen for the first time in a crater.

'''c. 32 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* Mustard is dethroned as Champion of the [[Galar League]] after an 18-year long victory streak, and retires soon after.

'''Several decades before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Sea Mauville]] is decommissioned after the closure of [[New Mauville]].

'''1969:'''
* [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|Humans land on the Moon for the first time]].<ref>'''Old Man:''' ''"July 20, 1969! Humankind first set foot on the moon that day. I bought a color TV just so I could watch that news."''</ref>

'''20 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[N]] is born.<ref name="BW age">[http://raim2005.blog18.fc2.com/blog-entry-980.html 【BW/BW2】ファンミーティング情報のまとめ blue skY]</ref><ref name="N and Cheren age">[http://pk-mn.com/n/b2w2-fan-meeting-n-nenrei/ 「ポケモンブラック２ホワイト２」のファンミーティングで、「N」や「チェレン」の年齢、怒ったNのイラストなどの設定資料が公開 (Japanese)]</ref><ref>Pash Monthly, May 2013, interview with Episode N director [https://archive.is/iQ3tR (archive of tweeted scan, Japanese)]</ref>

'''14-15 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{ga|Hilbert}} is born.<ref name="BW age"/>
* {{ga|Hilda}} is born<ref name="BW age"/>
* [[Cheren]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/><ref name="N and Cheren age"/>
* [[Bianca]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/>

'''13-15 years prior to [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:'''
* [[Mina]] is born.<ref>[[Media:Mina LGPE concept art.png|Concept art]] from [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu!, Let's Go, Eevee!]].</ref>

'''12 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{ga|Brendan}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Brendan, ''12'', a Pokémon Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>
* {{ga|May}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Her name is May, aged ''12'', a Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* {{ga|Red}} is born.<ref>[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''You are an '''11 year-old''' boy living in Pallet Town with your mother.''"</ref>
* {{ga|Leaf}} is born.<ref name="Leaf age">{{ga|Red}} is stated to be 11-years-old according to Pokémon Blue's manual. Since Leaf is Red's female counterpart, this would presumably make her the same age as Red.</ref>
* {{ga|Blue}} is born.<ref name="Blue age">[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''He sees you as his rival because you are '''the same age''' and height.''"</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* The [[Litleonids|Litleonid meteor shower]] passes by [[Hoenn]] for the last time prior to {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}.
* [[Hoenn TV|TV Mauville]] is founded.

'''11 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* {{ga|Elio}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age">[[Wicke]] asks if the player and [[Hau]] are around 11, the minimum age required to take on the Island Challenge, and the player can respond with "Yeah, I am" or "How'd you know?".</ref>
* {{ga|Selene}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age"</>
* [[Hau]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''He's the '''same age''' as your character.''"</ref><ref>[[Hau/Quotes|Hau]]: "''Yeah, I took the first chance I had to join in the island challenge once I turned '''11'''!''"</ref>
* [[Lillie]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''This young girl is about '''the same age as your character''', and she's working as Professor Kukui’s assistant for personal reasons.''"</ref>

'''10 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Wally]] is born.<ref>[[TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network]]: "''This remarkable '''10-year-old''' Trainer is originally from Petalburg City and is known to his friends and family as Wally.''"</ref>
* [[Pokémon Center]]s in [[Hoenn]] are remodeled, removing the second floor and the Pokémon Cable Club.

'''1995'''
* The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.<ref>According to the [[Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia]], Porygon was created in 1995.</ref>

'''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
* A {{p|Rotom}} inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:

'''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. {{p|Mewtwo}}, a clone of Mew, is born on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's Gym]] is declared the official Gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
* Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
* The [[Battle Resort]] opens in [[Hoenn]].
* [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] is torn down due to being old and creaky. During the process, the Radio Tower Director comes across the [[Clear Bell]], which he keeps for the time being. A new Goldenrod Radio Tower is built in its place.
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] begins.

'''Ten years prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}} invents a time machine and bring [[Paradox Pokémon]] into the present, and is later killed by a second {{p|Koraidon}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Miraidon}}{{sup/9|V}}.

'''A year and a half prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Nemona]] becomes the youngest Champion-class Trainer in Paldea.
* [[Team Star]] is formed.

'''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

'''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:
** {{ga|Red}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his Pokémon journey after his rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he then challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Network Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Olivine City]] in [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s daughter/son; however, later on, the rivalry is with [[Wally]] instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and calming {{p|Groudon}} or {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, they challenge and defeat Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion themself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

'''{{gameabbrev7|PE}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:
** {{ga|Chase}}/{{ga|Elaine}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on their Pokémon journey after their rival, {{ga|Trace}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] with the help of {{ga|Blue}} and Trace, along the way, they then challenge Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and compete for the title of Champion in one final battle with Trace. After defeating Trace, Chase/Elaine becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}. From there, they capture {{p|Mewtwo}} and meet {{ga|Green}}, a Trainer who had hoped to capture Mewtwo for herself. They also confront [[Archer]], an {{tc|Executive|admin}} of the remnants of Team Rocket, who challenges them to one last battle before swearing that he will avenge his boss, [[Giovanni]].

'''Between {{gen|I}}/{{gen|III}} and {{gen|II}}/{{gen|IV}}:'''
* [[Anabel]] enters an [[Ultra Wormhole]] and is found by [[Nanu]] and [[Looker]] in [[Alola]].
* The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} occur.
* Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of the island's settlement, except for the [[Pokémon Center]]. As a result, [[Blaine]], the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, relocates the gym to the nearby [[Seafoam Islands]].
* {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]], succeeding the former Team Rocket leader [[Giovanni]].
* {{ga|Red}} retreats to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
* Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}} types in the region of Kanto.


* [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when his {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a {{safari|Johto|new Safari Zone}} in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] is converted into a Radio Tower.
* A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
* Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
* A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].
* [[Professor Rowan]] returns to [[Sinnoh]] after four years.

'''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]]/{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}} ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]/{{gameabbrev8|BDSP}}):'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]:
** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with their [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon and challenges them as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact Giovanni, their former leader. They are defeated, and the new leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's Badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight Gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their Badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares them ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where they meet and challenges {{ga|Red}}.
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker,  their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight Gyms to gain the Badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{p|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion themself.
* [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

'''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
*The events of [[Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness]]:
** [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return to the [[Orre|Orre region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

'''Between {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] is completed.

'''Between [[Generation II]]/{{Gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part in Kanto returns to [[Unova]], intending to reform Team Rocket there despite its second defeat, as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
* [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]]/[[Johto]] [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
* {{tc|Scientist}} Dudley, a member of [[Team Plasma]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.
* Team Plasma steals [[Hugh's sister]]'s {{p|Purrloin}}, and [[Hugh]] swears to one day get it back.

'''12 years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
[[File:N {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}.jpg|thumb|250px|N and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}:
** {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}} along with their friends [[Cheren]] and [[Bianca]] receive their very first Pokémon in the bedroom of {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}'s house in [[Nuvema Town]] from [[Professor Juniper]]. The three decide to leave Nuvema Town and go on a journey across their region of [[Unova]], with Cheren wanting to learn as much about every kind of Pokémon possible and Bianca going against the wishes of her dad. Upon arriving in [[Accumula Town]] they encounter the nefarious [[Team Plasma]] who announce their plans for Pokémon liberation to separate Pokémon from humans. Hilbert/Hilda then battle Team Plasma's leader, a mysterious man known only as [[N]] who claims Pokémon are his friends. Hilbert/Hilda make a journey across the land of Unova challenging all eight Gyms and earning all eight Badges. After earning the eighth Badge, they travel to the {{un|Pokémon League}} where they defeat the Elite Four. Upon defeating the Elite Four, they discover that N has already defeated the Champion [[Alder]] and promptly summons his castle, destroying the Pokémon League Castle. [[Ghetsis]], one of the members of the [[Seven Sages]] reveals that he had the plan to separate people and Pokémon so that he could be the only person in the whole world with Pokémon. After defeating N and Ghetsis with {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} N becomes sorry for all his wrongdoing and flies off to distant lands on his dragon of legend. Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca continue their journey in Unova and get recruited by an undercover officer codenamed [[Looker]] to discover and arrest the remaining six of the Seven Sages. After the arrest of all six, Hilbert/Hilda returns to the Pokémon League, re-defeats the Elite Four, then challenges and defeats Alder, becoming Champion of Unova.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White}} and {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}}''':
* Hilbert/Hilda leaves Unova with their Dragon to look for N.
* Bianca officially becomes Professor Juniper's assistant.
* The Pokémon distribution of Unova changes drastically.
* [[Cilan]], [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Lenora]], and [[Brycen]] retire as Gym Leaders to train.
* Cheren, [[Roxie]], and [[Marlon]] become Gym Leaders.
* Alder retires as the Champion, and [[Iris]] takes his place.
* Five of the Seven Sages leave Team Plasma, and Ghetsis and [[Zinzolin]] form a new Team Plasma solely dedicated to conquering Unova.
* A landslide seals off {{rt|10|Unova}} and a majority of {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, forcing another {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} to be built. Another landslide seals off [[Challenger's Cave]].
* Significant construction occurs in Unova:
** The [[Cold Storage]] in the south of [[Driftveil City]] is replaced by the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** A section of the mountain near [[Undella Town]] is constructed into a new town called [[Lentimas Town]]
** {{tc|The Riches}} house in Undella Town is demolished, with new villas built in the town.
** The [[Marine Tube]] is built between Undella Town and [[Humilau City]], connecting the two.
** The [[Castelia Sewers]] are made accessible on Thumb Pier, which leads to Castelia's park, or when flooded, to Castelia's back alley.
* {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} moves to [[Vaniville Town]] in [[Kalos]] with their mother.

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White}} ([[Generation VI]])''':
[[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}} Encounter.png|thumb|250px|Encountering {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}:
** {{ga|Nate}}/{{ga|Rosa}} receives their first Pokémon from Bianca in their hometown of [[Aspertia City]]. Together with [[Hugh]], who hopes to take back his sister's Purrloin from Team Plasma, the duo takes on the new lineup of Gyms in the Unova region. After earning their seventh badge from [[Drayden]], Team Plasma attacks [[Opelucid City]], covering the city in unbreakable ice. The [[Shadow Triad]] takes the opportunity to steal the [[DNA Splicers]] from [[Opelucid Gym]]. Nate/Rosa and Hugh chase Team Plasma to [[Humilau City]], where after earning their final badge, they confront [[Zinzolin]], [[Colress]], and the Shadow Triad at the [[Giant Chasm]]. After the Triad releases Hugh's sister's Purrloin, now a {{p|Liepard}}, Hugh tells Nate/Rosa to go ahead and confront Team Plasma's leader, Ghetsis. Just before Ghetsis freezes Nate/Rosa alive with {{p|Kyurem}}'s {{m|Glaciate}}, [[N]] flies in on {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}}, saving them. However, Ghetsis uses Kyurem's power to turn Reshiram/Zekrom back into an orb, then uses the DNA Splicers to turn Kyurem into {{form|Kyurem|Black/White Kyurem}}. Nate/Rosa knocks out Kyurem, causing the two Dragon Pokémon to separate, then defeats an enraged Ghetsis. Thankful, N suggests that Nate/Rosa proceed to the Pokémon League. Heeding his words, Nate/Rosa ascend Victory Road, defeats the Elite Four, and emerges victorious in battle with the new Champion, Iris. After returning home, Hugh's sister thanks to the player for helping her big brother, and tells Nate/Rosa that she has been dreaming of a {{p|Zoroark}} calling Nate/Rosa's name. At Hugh's suggestion, Nate/Rosa returns to Victory Road, finding a Zoroark that leads them to the ruins of [[N's Castle]], where N and Reshiram/Zekrom challenge them to battle. After being defeated, N says goodbye to his dragon and releases it by asking it to turn back into an orb to give to Nate/Rosa. Nate/Rosa climbs to the top of [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and faces {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} again, this time, in an attempt to capture it.
**{{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} leave their home in [[Vaniville Town]] meeting [[Shauna]] and {{tt|{{ga|Serena}}/{{ga|Calem}}|The player character not chosen.}} who invite them to join them for a meeting in [[Aquacorde Town]]. {{ga|Calem}}, {{ga|Serena}} and [[Shauna]] receive their first Pokémon from [[Tierno]] and a Pokédex from [[Trevor]] on behalf of [[Professor Sycamore]]. After delivering a letter to their {{kal|Grace|Mom}} from Professor Sycamore, they head on an adventure traveling across [[Kalos]] challenging eight Gyms in order to earn eight Badges to then challenge the {{kal|Pokémon League}}. Along their journey, they come into contact with [[Team Flare]], an organization whose goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money. They try to do this by stealing [[fossil]]s from [[Glittering Cave]], siphoning electricity from the [[Kalos Power Plant]], stealing the Poké Balls from the [[Poké Ball Factory]] in [[Laverre City]], and attempting to agitate and capture an {{p|Abomasnow}}. Calem/Serena also encounters a mysterious giant called [[AZ]] on several occasions, the first being on [[Kalos Route 13]]. After earning their seventh badge from [[Olympia]], Calem/Serena are contacted by [[Lysandre]], a man introduced by Professor Sycamore, who reveals himself to be the leader of Team Flare and his intention to use the [[ultimate weapon]] to eliminate all life in the world. Calem/Serena battle Lysandre first in [[Lysandre Labs]] and again in the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]], before making their way down to the basement where they find {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}}/{{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}} and battle them, before battling against Lysandre once more. Even though Lysandre is defeated, and Calem/Serena and their friends reason with him, he still fires the ultimate weapon. The blast the weapon emits destroys it and buries Lysandre and the HQ, ultimately disbanding Team Flare. Calem/Serena then heads to the Pokémon League where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Diantha]], becoming {{pkmn|Champion}} of [[Kalos]]. After becoming Champion, Looker contacts {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} to help him fight crime in Lumiose City.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} and [[Generation VII]]''':
* [[Gladion]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{TP|Gladion|Type: Null}}.
* [[Sina]] and [[Dexio]] are sent to [[Alola]] by [[Professor Sycamore]] to follow {{p|Zygarde}}.
* {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue}} come to [[Alola]] to act as the bosses of the [[Battle Tree]].
* [[Grimsley]] and [[Colress]] come to [[Alola]].
* [[Lillie]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{p|Cosmog}}, [[nickname]]d [[Nebby]].

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} ([[Generation VII]])''':
[[File:Lillie and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}.png|thumb|x175px|Lillie and Nebby as a {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}]]
* The events of {{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}:
** {{ga|Elio}}/{{ga|Selene}} leaves their home on {{rt|1|Alola}} on a Pokémon journey three months after moving to the [[Alola]] region from Kanto. They receive their starter Pokémon from [[Hala]] and meet [[Lillie]] and [[Hau]]. Elio/Selene receives a [[Z-Ring]] at the festival inaugurating their [[island challenge]], consisting of seven trials and four grand trials in order to become the island challenge champion. Along the journey, they encounter a group called [[Team Skull]], whose members are misfits who failed the island challenge and aim to cause trouble, as well as another group called the [[Aether Foundation]], whose goal is to cure hurt Pokémon. After defeating the leader of Team Skull, [[Guzma]], at the [[Shady House]], Elio/Selene travel to [[Aether Paradise]], where they battle [[Lusamine]], the president of the Aether Foundation. Lusamine opens [[Ultra Wormhole]]s across Alola and enters one with Guzma. Elio/Selene and Lillie evolve [[Nebby]] into {{p|Solgaleo}}{{sup/7|S}}/{{p|Lunala}}{{sup/7|M}} at the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|S}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|M}} and travel into [[Ultra Space]], where Elio/Selene battles Lusamine again and bring her and Guzma back to Alola. Elio/Selene catches Solgaleo{{sup/7|S}}/Lunala{{sup/7|M}} after Lillie tells it that she isn't a Trainer. Elio/Selene climbs [[Mount Lanakila]] to its summit, the newly opened {{al|Pokémon League}}, where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Professor Kukui]], becoming the first {{pkmn|Champion}} of Alola. A festival is held in [[Iki Town]], and Lillie brings Elio/Selene to the [[Ruins of Conflict]] to battle {{p|Tapu Koko}}. The next day, Lillie leaves for Kanto to help her mother. The International Police contact Elio/Selene to investigate and catch the [[Ultra Beast]]s unleashed across Alola.
* The events of {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}:
** Events proceed similarly to the above, but Lusamine now seeks to aid the [[Ultra Recon Squad]] in stopping {{P|Necrozma}}. When Elio/Selene and Lillie reach the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|US}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|UM}}, they discover that Lusamine and Guzma have been defeated and Necrozma fuses with Nebby to become Dusk Mane Necrozma{{sup/7|US}}Dawn Wings Necrozma{{sup/7|UM}}. It is repelled, and Elio/Selene pursues it into [[Ultra Megalopolis]], where they find it has become Ultra Necrozma. Despite its incredible power, Ultra Necrozma is defeated and Nebby is freed from Necrozma's influence. Sometime after Elio/Selene becomes the Champion, the Aether Foundation is attacked by [[Team Rainbow Rocket]], which seeks to use the Aether Foundation's research to further their goals of multiversal conquest.

'''Between [[Generation VII]] and [[Generation VIII]]''':
* Research notes of {{p|Type: Null}} are stolen.<ref>Pokédex from Sword: ''Rumor has it that the theft of top-secret research notes led to a new instance of this Pokémon being created in the [[Galar]] region.''</ref>

'''Some time after [[Generation VII]] ([[Generation VIII]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Sword and Shield}} and its [[Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass|Expansion Pass]]:
** {{ga|Victor}}/{{ga|Gloria}} and [[Hop]] receive their [[starter Pokémon]] from [[Leon]], the undefeated {{pkmn|Champion}}, and meet a mysterious {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the [[Slumbering Weald]]. The two receive [[Pokédex]]es from [[Sonia]], [[Dynamax Band]]s from [[Professor Magnolia]], and [[endorsement]]s from Leon to enter the [[Galar League|Gym Challenge]]. They head on an adventure traveling across Galar challenging [[Gym]]s in order to earn eight [[Badge]]s to enter the Champion Cup. Over the course of their {{pkmn|journey}}, they encounter a group called [[Team Yell]], whose members support [[Marnie]] in the Gym Challenge. They also encounter another group called [[Macro Cosmos]], a conglomerate led by [[Rose]], who has endorsed his ward [[Bede]] in the Gym Challenge. During the Champion Cup in [[Wyndon Stadium]], Rose interrupts the Championship Match by reawakening {{p|Eternatus}} and bringing about the [[Darkest Day]] in an attempt to provide energy for the Galar region in 1,000 years. Victor/Gloria and Hop find a [[Rusted Sword]] and [[Rusted Shield]] and head to the [[Energy Plant]] in [[Hammerlocke]], where they battle Rose and summon {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}. After defeating it, Victor/Gloria manages to catch Eternatus and returns to [[Wyndon]] to defeat Leon in the Championship Match, becoming the new Champion of Galar.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Isle of Armor]], where they meet a new rival, [[Klara]]{{sup/8|Sw}}/[[Avery]]{{sup/8|Sh}}, and are taken under the wing of former Champion [[Mustard]] as a student of [[Master Dojo|his dojo]]. Victor/Gloria competes in a series of trials with their new rival, eventually defeating them in a final battle, earning them the right to inheirit the Dojo's "secret armor", the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Kubfu}}. After [[Friendship|bonding]] with each other, Victor/Gloria and Kubfu challenge one of the [[Towers of Two Fists]], culminating in a battle against Mustard and his own Kubfu. Victor/Gloria is successful, and Kubfu learns the secret of the tower, allowing it to [[Evolution|evolve]] into {{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Urshifu|Single Strike Style or Rapid Strike Style}} {{p|Urshifu}}.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Crown Tundra]], where they meet the retired [[Gym Leader]] [[Peony]], who recruits them as the leader of his exploration team, and tasks them with investigating three mysteries surrounding the tundra. In the [[Legendary Clue 1|first mystery]], Victor/Gloria meets {{p|Calyrex}}, the former king of the Crown Tundra, and helps it reunite with its steed, {{p|Glastrier}} or {{p|Spectrier}}. In the [[Legendary Clue 2|second mystery]], they investigate ruins scattered around the tundra, encountering and [[caught Pokémon|catching]] the [[Legendary titans]]. In the [[Legendary Clue 3|third mystery]], Victor/Gloria pursues and catches the {{rf|Galarian}} [[legendary birds]] across Galar. Upon solving these mysteries, Victor/Gloria finds a note describing a [[Legendary Clue?|fourth mystery]] that Peony does not recall writing. Upon bringing it to the [[Max Lair]], Victor/Gloria learns about [[Ultra Beast]]s and {{p|Necrozma}}, and is eventually able to catch Necrozma in a [[Dynamax Adventure]].
** After becoming Champion, Victor/Gloria and Hop stop the plans of [[Sordward]] and [[Shielbert]], who cause chaos around the region in their misguided attempt to restore the Galarian monarchy. In the process, Victor/Gloria catches one of the two Legendary Pokémon of Galar, and Hop sets out to be a [[Pokémon Professor]].
** After resolving the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, Victor/Gloria returns to the Master Dojo, where they find Hop conducting research on [[Sonia]]'s behalf. Mustard tells them that Urshifu hates the taste of {{DL|Master Dojo|Max Soup}}, so, in order for it to unlock its [[Gigantamax]] potential, a special ingredient is needed to make it drink the Max Soup. He doesn't reveal what this ingredient is, though, and leaves it to the duo to figure it out on their own. After a few bad guesses, Victor/Gloria and Hop travel to [[Honeycalm Island]], where Victor/Gloria gets thrust into a [[Max Raid Battle]] against a [[Dynamax]] {{p|Vespiquen}}. After defeating it, they find the missing ingredient: [[Max Honey]]. Upon returning to the dojo, Mustard informs Victor/Gloria that he wants to battle them in a no-holds-barred battle, where he uses his full power. In the battle, Mustard uses his own Gigantamax Urshifu. After being defeated, Mustard declares that he has nothing more to teach Victor/Gloria.
** After the events of the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, [[The Isle of Armor]], and [[The Crown Tundra]], Victor/Gloria receives a call on their [[Rotom Phone]] from Leon, who invites them and many other strong [[Pokémon Trainer]]s from Galar to a new type of competition called the [[Galarian Star Tournament]] (in which Trainers form duos and compete in [[Multi Battle]]s) at [[Wyndon Stadium]]. Victor/Gloria partners with [[Hop]] or [[Marnie]] in the inaugural tournament, and emerges victorious after defeating Leon and [[Raihan]] (if their partner is Hop) or Raihan and [[Piers]] (if their partner is Marnie) in the finals, after which Leon announces that further Galarian Star Tournaments will occur.

'''Some time after [[Generation VIII]] ([[Generation IX]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Scarlet and Violet}}.

==Trivia==
* The chronology of the {{pkmn|games}} was confirmed by [[Toshinobu Matsumiya]] on Twitter in May 2014, but the tweet was deleted shortly after.<ref>[http://archive.today/D9iPz archive.today] (archived from [https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 the original])</ref> No further comments on the tweet or its deletion have been made by [[Game Freak]] staff members.
* In {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and {{g|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}, the existence of [[Pokémon multiverse|multiple alternate universes]] is revealed.

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User:IsaacBoi123/List of Pokémon revealed before their Generation

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This is a list of Pokémon that were revealed before their Generation, where they were first introduced.
==[[Generation II]]==
*{{p|Tyranitar}} revealed in 1997, which appeared as a monster on a Japanese Manga cover, making it the first Gen II Pokémon revealed before their Generation.

Ken Sugimori

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[[File:Ken Sugimori 2018.jpg|thumb|Ken Sugimori in 2018]]
'''Ken Sugimori''' (Japanese: '''杉森建''' ''Sugimori Ken''; born January 27, 1966) is a friend of [[Satoshi Tajiri]] and illustrator of the original artwork for [[Pokémon games]]. He also has developed conceptual artwork for the {{pkmn|movie}}s, and illustrates {{Trading Card Game}} cards and merchandising. The original artwork for all 151 [[Generation I]] Pokémon was done by Sugimori.<ref>http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2008/04/column_game_mag_weaseling_just.php</ref>

Sugimori's change of style over the years has been noticeable. Initially, he used a stiff, lightly shaded style using watercolors that was very reminiscent of {{wp|Akira Toriyama}}'s visual style, particularly that from 1989 onward. However, his now digitally-produced drawings of people and creatures have gradually gained more muscle definition, significantly rounder corners, heavier shading, and more natural and fluid poses.

==Pokémon==
The following is a list of Pokémon designed by Ken Sugimori.
<gallery widths=100>
File:002Ivysaur.png|{{p|Ivysaur}}{{fact}}
File:003Venusaur.png|{{p|Venusaur}}{{fact}}
File:034Nidoking.png|{{p|Nidoking}}<ref name=Shmuplations>(2001). ゲーム・マエストロ〈VOL.4〉デザイナー/イラストレーター編 ([https://shmuplations.com/pokemon/ English translation by Shmuplations])</ref>
File:035Clefairy.png|{{p|Clefairy}}<ref name=Yomiuri-5>[https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/fukayomi/ichiran/20180501-OYT8T50139/5/ Interview with Yomiuri] about {{p|Pikachu}}'s creation (page 5)</ref><ref name=Pokemon.com>[https://web.archive.org/web/20211108083831/https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/creator-profile-the-creators-of-pikachu/ Creator Profile: The Creators of Pikachu - Pokemon.com] (archived)</ref><ref name="NOM 2000-07 b">[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/nom/0007/gfreak/page02.html 『ポケットモンスター』開発スタッフインタビュー (ページｂ)]. ''Nintendo Online Magazine'' (N.O.M), July 2000.</ref>
File:081Magnemite.png|{{p|Magnemite}}<ref name=USUMPokedex>"What It Takes to Create a Pokémon." Interview with Ken Sugimori in ''[[Pokémon Ultra Sun & Pokémon Ultra Moon Edition: The Official National Pokédex]]'', p. xiii-xxi</ref>
File:082Magneton.png|{{p|Magneton}}{{fact}}
File:092Gastly.png|{{p|Gastly}}{{fact}}
File:093Haunter.png|{{p|Haunter}}{{fact}}
File:094Gengar.png|{{p|Gengar}}{{fact}}
File:102Exeggcute.png|{{p|Exeggcute}}{{fact}}
File:103Exeggutor.png|{{p|Exeggutor}}{{fact}}
File:112Rhydon.png|{{p|Rhydon}}<ref name=Shmuplations/><ref name="NOM 2000-07 b"/>
File:130Gyarados.png|{{p|Gyarados}}<ref name=Yomiuri>[https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/fukayomi/ichiran/20180501-OYT8T50139/1/ Interview with Yomiuri] about Pikachu's creation (page 1)</ref>
File:131Lapras.png|{{p|Lapras}}<ref name="NOM 2000-07 b"/><ref name=Yomiuri/>
File:143Snorlax.png|{{p|Snorlax}}<ref name=Yomiuri/>
File:150Mewtwo.png|{{p|Mewtwo}}<ref name=Yomiuri/>
File:163Hoothoot.png|{{p|Hoothoot}}<ref name=NintendoPower134>''Nintendo Power'' Vol. 134, July 2000, p.78-79 ([http://www.rigelatin.net/copycat/media/print/np134.php excerpt])</ref>
File:172Pichu.png|{{p|Pichu}}<ref name=IGN>Harris, Craig (February 24, 2009). "[https://www.ign.com/articles/2009/02/23/pokemon-creators-on-platinum Pokemon Creators on Platinum] [sic]." ''IGN''.</ref>
File:185Sudowoodo.png|{{p|Sudowoodo}}<ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/nom/0007/gfreak/page06.html 『ポケットモンスター』開発スタッフインタビュー (ページｆ)]. ''Nintendo Online Magazine'' (N.O.M), July 2000.</ref>
File:201Unown.png|{{p|Unown}}<ref name=Shmuplations/>
File:255Torchic.png|{{p|Torchic}}{{fact}}
File:256Combusken.png|{{p|Combusken}}{{fact}}
File:257Blaziken.png|{{p|Blaziken}}<ref name=ND84>''Nintendo Dream'' Volume 84, February/March 2003 ([http://lavacutcontent.com/sugimori-masuda-gen-3-interview/ English translation] written by Jacob Newcomb and commissioned by Dr. Lava)</ref>
File:380Latias.png|{{p|Latias}}{{fact}}
File:381Latios.png|{{p|Latios}}{{fact}}
File:382Kyogre.png|{{p|Kyogre}}{{fact}}
File:383Groudon.png|{{p|Groudon}}{{fact}}
File:479Rotom.png|{{p|Rotom}}{{fact}}
File:483Dialga.png|{{p|Dialga}}<ref name=WCS>[http://web.archive.org/web/20100111034554/http://www.go-pokemon.com/op/news/articles/16.html Go-Pokemon.com - Pokémon Creators, Artists at the World Championships]</ref>
File:484Palkia.png|{{p|Palkia}}<ref name=WCS />
File:490Manaphy.png|{{p|Manaphy}}<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20071103203031/http://blog.pokemon-movie.jp/archives/2006/07/post_85.html</ref>
File:506Lillipup.png|{{p|Lillipup}}{{fact}}
File:508Stoutland.png|{{p|Stoutland}}{{fact}}
File:538Throh.png|{{p|Throh}}<ref name=ND201>''Nintendo Dream'' Vol. 201, January 2011 ([http://lavacutcontent.com/ken-sugimori-nintendo-dream-3/ Translation by Dr. Lava])</ref>
File:539Sawk.png|{{p|Sawk}}<ref name=ND201 />
File:631Heatmor.png|{{p|Heatmor}}<ref name=ND205>''Nintendo Dream'' Vol. 205, May 2011 ([https://web.archive.org/web/20110402003550/http://shellspider.blog101.fc2.com/blog-entry-562.html Shellspider's blog (Japanese)], [http://lavacutcontent.com/ken-sugimori-nintendo-dream/ Translation by Dr. Lava])</ref>
File:632Durant.png|{{p|Durant}}<ref name=ND205 />
File:643Reshiram.png|{{p|Reshiram}}<ref name=Reshiram>How Pokemon Get Made, 1up.com ([https://web.archive.org/web/20130510123211/http://www.1up.com/news/how-pokemon-get-made Archive])</ref> (Initial draft by [[Keiko Moritsugu]])<ref name=Moritsugu>[https://imgur.com/a/cgf0g14 Archive of deleted tweet by Keiko Moritsugu, explaining which Generation V Pokémon she had designed]</ref>
File:644Zekrom.png|{{p|Zekrom}}<ref name=Reshiram/> (Initial draft by [[Keiko Moritsugu]])<ref name=Moritsugu/>
File:716Xerneas.png|{{p|Xerneas}} (with [[Yusuke Ohmura]])<ref name=Xerneas>[http://web.archive.org/web/20140803014650/http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/55616/ken-sugimori-got-artists-block-during-pokemon-x-and-y-development/ Ken Sugimori got 'artist's block' during Pokemon X and Y development]. Official Nintendo Magazine (published on October 24, 2013) (archived)</ref>
File:717Yveltal.png|{{p|Yveltal}} (with [[Yusuke Ohmura]])<ref name=Xerneas/>
File:103Exeggutor-Alola.png|{{rf|Alolan}} Exeggutor<ref name=USUMPokedex/>
</gallery>

Additionally, Sugimori came up with the idea for {{p|Klink}}'s evolutionary line,<ref name=ND204>''Nintendo Dream'' Vol. 204, April 2011 ([https://web.archive.org/web/20110704155314/http://shellspider.blog101.fc2.com/blog-entry-502.html Shellspider's blog (Japanese)], [http://lavacutcontent.com/ken-sugimori-nintendo-dream-6/ Translation by Dr. Lava])</ref> although the designs themselves were done by [[Keiko Moritsugu]].<ref name=Moritsugu/>

==Cards illustrated==
There are {{PAGESINCATEGORY:Illus. by Ken Sugimori}} cards illustrated by Ken Sugimori, look: [[:Category:Illus. by Ken Sugimori|Illus. by Ken Sugimori]].
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File:BrockGolemGymHeroes20.jpg|[[Brock's Golem (Gym Heroes 20)]]
File:AronEXRubySapphire50.jpg|[[Aron (EX Ruby & Sapphire 50)]]
File:ChimcharDiamondPearl76.jpg|[[Chimchar (Diamond & Pearl 76)]]
File:CryogonalUnifiedMinds46.jpg|[[Cryogonal (Unified Minds 46)]]
File:DuskullEXPowerKeepers50.jpg|[[Duskull (EX Power Keepers 50)]]
File:GiovanniMeowthGymChallenge74.jpg|[[Giovanni's Meowth (Gym Challenge 74)]]
File:KadabraBaseSet32.jpg|[[Kadabra (Base Set 32)]]
File:JirachiMythicalLegendaryDreamShineCollection26.jpg|[[Jirachi (XY Promo 112)]]
File:FearowMajesticDawn36.jpg|[[Fearow (Majestic Dawn 36)]]
File:CarbinkLostThunder143.jpg|[[Carbink (Lost Thunder 143)]]
File:PoliwrathEvolutions25.jpg|[[Poliwrath (Evolutions 25)]]
File:SabrinaMrMimeGymHeroes94.jpg|[[Sabrina's Mr. Mime (Gym Heroes 94)]]
File:RemoraidUnleashed59.jpg|[[Remoraid (Unleashed 59)]]
File:PhioneMajesticDawn27.jpg|[[Phione (Majestic Dawn 27)]]
File:ShellosSecretWonders107.jpg|[[Shellos (Secret Wonders 107)]]
File:KogaWeedleGymChallenge82.jpg|[[Koga's Weedle (Gym Challenge 82)]]
File:MistyShellderGymHeroes89.jpg|[[Misty's Shellder (Gym Heroes 89)]]
File:LtSurgeEeveeGymChallenge51.jpg|[[Lt. Surge's Eevee (Gym Challenge 51)]]
File:NidoranBaseSet55.jpg|[[Nidoran♂ (Base Set 55)]]
File:XatuLostThunder88.jpg|[[Xatu (Lost Thunder 88)]]
</gallery>

==Credits==
===Games===
* '''{{wp|Mendel Palace}}''' (1989) - Character Designer, Character Digitalizer
* '''{{wp|Smart Ball}}''' (1991) - Game Designer, Story, Character Designer
* '''{{smw|Yoshi (game)|Yoshi}}''' (1991) - Character Designer
* '''{{wp|Magical Taluluto|Magical Taluluto-kun}}''' (1992) - Direction, Game Design, Graphic Design
* '''{{smw|Mario & Wario}}''' (1993) - Character Designer
* '''{{wp|Pulseman}}''' (1994) - Direction & Game Design, Graphics
* '''{{game|Red and Green|s}}''' (1996) - Character Design, Monster Design
* '''{{jwp|バザールでござーる|Bazaru de Gozaru no Game de Gozaru}}''' (1996) - Graphics
* '''[[Pokémon Blue (Japanese)|Pokémon Blue]]''' (1996) - Character Design, Monster Design
* '''{{jwp|BUSHI青龍伝〜二人の勇者|Bushi Seiryūden: Futari no Yūsha}}''' (1997) - Graphics
* '''[[Game Boy Camera]]''' (1998) - Special Thanks
* '''[[Pokémon Stadium (Japanese)]]''' (1998) - Original Characters
* '''{{game|Yellow}}''' (1998) - Character Design, Monster Design
* '''[[Pokémon Trading Card Game (game)|Pokémon Trading Card Game]]''' (1998) - Card Illustrator
* '''[[Pokémon Stadium (English)|Pokémon Stadium]]''' (1999) - Original Characters
* '''{{game|Gold and Silver|s}}''' (1999) - Graphics Director, Monster Design
* '''[[Pokémon Puzzle Challenge]]''' (2000) - Pokémon Supervision
* '''{{game|Crystal}}''' (2000) - Graphics Director, Monster Design
* '''[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]''' (2000) - Original Character Design & Character Art
* '''[[Pokémon Card GB2: Here Comes Team GR!]]''' (2001) - Card Illustrator
* '''[[Pokémon Party mini]]''' (2001) - Supervisor
* '''[[Pokémon Pinball mini]]''' (2001) - Supervisor
* '''[[Pokémon Zany Cards]]''' (2001) - Supervisor
* '''[[Pokémon Puzzle Collection]]''' (2001) - Illustrator, Supervisor
* '''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''' (2001) - Original Game Staff (Graphic Director: Pokémon)
* '''[[Pokémon Tetris]]''' (2002) - Supervisor
* '''[[Pokémon Race mini]]''' (2002) - Supervisor
* '''[[Pichu Bros. mini]]''' (2002) - Supervisor
* '''[[Machop at Work]]''' (2002) - Very Special Thanks
* '''[[Kingler's Day]]''' (2002) - Very Special Thanks
* '''[[Togepi's Great Adventure]]''' (2002) - Supervisor
* '''{{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}''' (2002) - Art Director, Pokémon & Graphic Designer
* '''[[Pokémon Box: Ruby & Sapphire]]''' (2003) - Designer
* '''[[Pokémon Channel]]''' (2003) - Supervisor
* '''[[Pokémon Colosseum]]''' (2003) - Pokémon Games Designer
* '''{{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}''' (2004) - Art Director, Graphic Designer, Pokémon Designer
* '''{{game|Emerald}}''' (2004) - Art Director, Graphic Designer, Pokémon Designer, Package & Manual Illustration
* '''[[Pokémon Dash]]''' (2004) - Package Illustration, Special Thanks
* '''[[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]]''' (2005) - Pokémon Characters Designer
* '''{{wp|Drill Dozer}}''' (2005) - Director, Game Design
* '''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]]''' (2005) - Package Illustration
* '''{{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}''' (2006) - Art Director, Pokémon Designer & Graphic Designer
* '''[[Pokémon Battle Revolution]]''' (2006) - Pokémon Characters Designer
* '''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Darkness]]''' (2007) - Package Illustration
* '''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''' (2008) - Supervisor (Original Games)
* '''[[My Pokémon Ranch]]''' (2008) - Character Design (Hayley)
* '''{{game|Platinum}}''' (2008) - Art Director, Pokémon Design & Graphic Design
* '''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]]''' (2009) - Package Illustration
* '''[[Pokémon Rumble]]''' (2009) - Game-Design Advisor
* '''{{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}''' (2009) - Pokémon Design, Graphic Supervisor
* '''{{game|Black and White|s}}''' (2010) - 2D Art Director, Director of Pokémon Characters, Pokémon Character Design
* '''[[Pokémon Conquest]]''' (2012) - Game-Design Advisor
* '''{{game|Black and White|s 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2}}''' (2012) - Director of Pokémon Characters, Pokémon Character Design
* '''[[HarmoKnight]]''' (2012) - Adviser
* '''[[Pokémon X and Y]]''' (2013) - Character Art Director, Pokémon Characters Design (Director), Pokémon Design Coordination
* '''[[The Thieves and the 1000 Pokémon]]''' (2014) - Very Special Thanks
* '''[[Pokémon Art Academy]]''' (2014) - Very Special Thanks
* '''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U]]''' (2014) - Supervisor (Original Games)
* '''[[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]''' (2014) - Character Art Director, Pokémon Characters Design (Director)
* '''{{wp|Sega 3D Classics Collection|Sega 3D Fukkoku Archives}}''' (2014) - Package Illustration
* '''[[Pokkén Tournament]]''' (2015) - Very Special Thanks
* '''{{wp|Tembo the Badass Elephant}}''' (2015) - Advisor
* '''[[Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon]]''' (2015) - Package Illustration
* '''{{wp|Sega 3D Classics Collection}}''' (2015) - Package Illustration
* '''[[Pokémon Sun and Moon]]''' (2016) - Pokémon Characters Design, Trainer Graphics Design (Lead)
* '''{{wp|Giga Wrecker}}''' (2017) - Adviser
* '''[[Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon]]''' (2017) - Pokémon Characters Design & Concept, Design Art
* '''[[Pokémon Quest]]''' (2018) - Supervisor
* '''[[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]''' (2018) - Creative Supervisor
* '''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''' (2018) - Original Game Supervisor
* '''{{wp|Giga Wrecker|Giga Wrecker Alt.}}''' (2019) - Adviser
* '''{{wp|Little Town Hero}}''' (2019) - Supervisor
* '''[[Pokémon Sword and Shield]]''' (2019) - Supervisor
* '''[[New Pokémon Snap]]''' (2020) - Very Special Thanks
* '''[[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]]''' (2022) - Supervisor
* '''[[Pokémon Scarlet and Violet]]''' (2022) - Concept & Visual Studio Supervisor

===TCG illustration===
For a list of cards illustrated by Ken Sugimori, go [[:Category:Illus. by Ken Sugimori|here]].

===Animation===
* 1998-07-18 ''[[PK01|Pikachu's Vacation]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 1998-07-18 ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 1999-07-17 ''[[PK04|Pikachu's Rescue Adventure]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 1999-07-17 ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 2000-07-08 ''[[PK07|Pikachu & Pichu]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 2000-07-08 ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown: Entei]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 2001-07-07 ''[[PK10|Pikachu's PikaBoo]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 2001-07-07 ''[[M04|Celebi: The Voice of the Forest]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 2002-07-13 ''[[PK11|Camp Pikachu]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 2002-07-13 ''[[M05|Pokémon Heroes: Latios & Latias]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 2003-07-19 ''[[PK12|Gotta Dance!]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 2003-07-19 ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'' (Character Concept Art)
* 2004-07-17 ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'' (Character Concept Art)

===Manga===
* ''Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorer's Guide'' (Original Manga by Sugimori included with Guide)
* ''Jerry Girl'' (Original Manga by Sugimori)
* ''{{tt|Mendel Palace|Quinty}}'' - Artwork

==Trivia==
*{{p|Tyranitar}} was also designed by Ken Sugimori, as it was first seen on a Japanese Manga cover as a Monster. But then, later, it turned out to be Tyranitar. So Tyranitar is one of the Pokémon revealed before their Generation.
* The character in the [[Pokémon anime]], Kenji, or [[Tracey Sketchit]] in the English [[dub]], may be a homage to him, especially as both enjoy creating art. This is similar to the way Satoshi, known as [[Ash Ketchum]] in the English dub, is named after Satoshi Tajiri.
* Sugimori's favorite Pokémon is {{p|Gengar}} due to its simple design.<ref name=fav>[https://web.archive.org/web/20101230153442/http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/sp/index4.html What is your favourite Pokémon? - Pokémon Black and White interview] (archived)</ref>
** Another of Sugimori's favorite Pokémon is {{p|Venusaur}}, but he has also said its complexity makes it his least favorite to draw.<ref name=fav/>
** In a Nintendo Power interview in July 2000, he gave {{p|Hoothoot}} as his answer, citing a childhood pet bird that stood on one leg.<ref name=NintendoPower134 />
** His favorite Pokémon from {{game|Black and White|s}} is {{p|Zekrom}}.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20141011000532/http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/24213/what-is-ken-sugimoris-favourite-pokmon/ What is Ken Sugimori's favourite Pokémon?] (archived)</ref>
* Sugimori has designed more Pokémon cards than any other artist.

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
* [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/ Personal blog at Game Freak's official site] (Japanese)
* [http://twitter.com/SUPER_32X Ken Sugimori's Twitter page] (Japanese)

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Tyranitar (Pokémon)

2022-12-25T19:51:56Z

IsaacBoi123: Trivia: added info on how he was revealed before his Generation. (YES he actually was this is true)

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'''Tyranitar''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''バンギラス''' ''Bangiras'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Dark}} [[pseudo-legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation II]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Pupitar}} starting at [[level]] 55. It is the final form of {{p|Larvitar}}.

Tyranitar can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into '''Mega Tyranitar''' using the [[Tyranitarite]].

It appears to be distantly related to the [[Paradox Pokémon]] {{p|Iron Thorns}}.

==Biology==
Tyranitar is a large, bipedal, dinosaurian {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} with a green, armor-like hide covering its body. It has two pairs of pointed teeth: one in the upper jaw and one in the lower. Several spikes of varying size protrude from the back of its head, neck, and shoulders. Both sides of its chest, the center of its back, and its knees have two triangular holes. There is a gray, diamond-shaped patch of scales covering its belly, and a smaller one on its back. It has three claws on its feet and hands. A ring of spikes surrounds the tip of its tail.

Mega Tyranitar has more gaps in its armor than its normal form, with four new triangular holes along the sides of its neck and one on its throat. The four on its chest are now larger with the top two containing red ovals. While the spikes along the back of its neck grow shorter, the ones on its head elongate to form prominent ridges along its brows. The center spike on its head becomes a long, upright horn. Its chest plate expands, curving over its shoulders and along its back to form three long, irregular spikes on each side of its body. The scales on Mega Tyranitar's belly have now become red instead of blue and seethe with energy, enabling it to emanate more power.<ref>http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/mega_pokemon/#Tyranitar</ref> It gains two sharp spikes on its knees, as well as more prominent leg joints. Its tail lengthens, with the three spikes surrounding its tip growing upward and outward. Its back had split open because of the overwhelming power from Mega Evolution.

Tyranitar is a powerful Pokémon with an insolent nature, uncaring of others. It is extremely strong, and its thick, rocky hide gives it good resistance to all forms of attack. Because of this, it is always looking for a battle and will not flinch at anything, though it ignores opponents that it thinks are not worth its time. Tryanitar is so extremely powerful, a single fist can affect anything it hits drastically, If enraged, Tyranitar sets off outstanding earthquakes that can completely change the entire landscape, destroying houses and mountains, often forcing cartographers to draw up new maps. It lives in nests made from demolished {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon|mountains}}. As a Mega Tyranitar, its instincts have only become more destructive, to the point where it may not even be able to hear its Trainer's orders. In the [[Galar]] [[region]], it has a fierce rivalry with {{p|Duraludon}}, which it shares its habitat with, often battling each other in the mountains.<ref>[https://swordshield.pokemon.com/en-us/pokemon-galar-region/duraludon/ Duraludon | Official Website | Pokémon Sword and Pokémon Shield]</ref> {{p|Iron Thorns}} is believed to be a relative of Tyranitar from one billion years in the future.

==In the anime==
===Main series===
[[File:Gary Tyranitar.png|thumb|left|250px|Tyranitar in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
[[File:Mega Tyranitar anime.png|thumb|250px|Mega Tyranitar in the anime]]
====Major appearances====
=====[[Team A.C.T.]]=====
A Tyranitar was a member of [[Team A.C.T.]], who was considered for the job of rescuing Big Brother {{p|Pikachu}} in ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters Out of the Gate!]]''. They were, however, occupied on another mission.

=====Other=====
Tyranitar debuted in ''[[M04|Celebi: The Voice of the Forest]]'', where it was caught in a [[Dark Ball]] and used by the [[Iron-Masked Marauder]] in his quest to capture {{OBP|Celebi|M04}}.

Tyranitar made its main series debut in ''[[EP263|Address Unown]]'', where {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}}, who were in {{AP|Larvitar}}'s mind, saw her in Larvitar's memory of being separated from its Tyranitar mother. Larvitar returned to its mother in [[EP264|the following episode]].

In ''[[AG006|A Poached Ego!]]'', [[Rico]]'s Pupitar evolved into a Tyranitar and immediately attacked {{TRT}} while trying to steal {{TP|Jessie|Arbok}}, {{TP|James|Weezing}}, and the horde of {{p|Ekans}} and {{p|Koffing}} that Rico had been seeking. However, Team Rocket fought back, giving Arbok, Weezing, and the Ekans and Koffing enough time to escape. Tyranitar was eventually taken care of by [[Officer Jenny's Growlithe]].

In ''[[Mewtwo — Prologue to Awakening]]'', [[Dirk]] used a Tyranitar against {{OBP|Mewtwo|M16}}. It eventually escaped when Mewtwo crushed its {{i|Poké Ball}}.

A Tyranitar that can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into Mega Tyranitar appeared in ''[[XYS03|Mega Evolution Special III]]''.

In ''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]'', a Tyranitar that can Mega Evolve was under the control of [[Levi]] and [[Cherie]]'s Mega Wave. It battled [[Ash's Pikachu]] and {{AP|Noivern}}, as well as {{OBP|Volcanion|M19}}. It was later freed from their control when [[Alva]]'s Mega Wave Crystal was destroyed, and it escaped.

In ''[[XY130|Finals Not for the Faint-Hearted!]]'', [[Alain]] used a Tyranitar during the final round of the [[Lumiose Conference]] against {{Ash}}. It battled Pikachu but was soon defeated.

In ''[[SM080|Not Caving Under Pressure!]]'', a Tyranitar attacked a group of {{rf|Alolan}} {{p|Sandshrew}} in an attempt to take over the [[Mount Lanakila]] cave they lived in. With {{an|Lillie}}'s help, Tyranitar was defeated and sent running off.

In ''[[JN003|Ivysaur's Mysterious Tower!]]'', [[James]] pulled a {{DL|Rocket Prize Master|Tyranitar}} from the [[Rocket Prize Master]]. They were used in an attempt to steal a horde of {{p|Bulbasaur}} and {{p|Ivysaur}} in [[Vermilion City]].

In ''[[JN102|Battling in the Freezing Raid!]]'', {{Gary}} was shown to own a Tyranitar, which he used in a [[Raid Battle (GO)#In the anime|Raid Battle]] against an {{p|Articuno}}, only to be quickly defeated.

====Minor appearances====
In ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', multiple Tyranitar were part of the feuding armies that were eventually placated by [[Sir Aaron]] in the past.

In ''[[AG187|The Unbeatable Lightness of Seeing!]]'', a Tyranitar was living in [[Fennel Valley]].

A Tyranitar appeared in a fantasy in ''[[AG188|Pinch Healing!]]''.

In the opening sequence of ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'', {{OBP|Rebecca|M07}} used a Tyranitar in a battle against {{ga|Brendan}}'s {{p|Swampert}}.

In ''[[DP072|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! (Part 2)]]'', {{OBP|J's client|DP071}}'s henchmen used a Tyranitar to attack {{an|Dawn}}, {{an|Brock}}, [[Officer Jenny]], and [[Solana]].

In ''[[DP139|A Faux Oak Finish!]]'', a {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s Tyranitar was agitated by a splinter in its foot. However, {{an|Professor Oak}} was able to connect with it and pull the splinter out.

In ''[[DP146|Dressed for Jess Success!]]'', a {{pkmn|Coordinator}}'s Tyranitar competed in the [[Lilypad Town]] [[Pokémon Contest]].

A Tyranitar appeared in the opening sequence of ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''.

A robotic Tyranitar was used for a movie directed by {{OBP|Jules|BW082}} in ''[[BW082|An Epic Defense Force!]]''.

In ''[[BW134|The Journalist from Another Region!]]'', a Trainer's Tyranitar competed in the [[Pokémon Sumo Tournament]] on [[Harvest Island]].

A Tyranitar that can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into Mega Tyranitar appeared in the opening of ''[[XYS01|Mega Evolution Special I]]''.

A Tyranitar and its Mega Evolved form appeared in the opening sequence of ''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]''.

A soldier's Tyranitar appeared in a flashback in ''[[XYS05|The Legend of X, Y, and Z!]]''.

In ''[[M21|The Power of Us]]'', a Tyranitar went on a rampage during the [[Pokémon Catch Race]], but {{OBP|Ash Ketchum|M20|Ash}} was able to calm it down with {{OBP|Ash's Pikachu|M20|Pikachu}}'s help.

====Pokédex entries====
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP264|Tyranitar|Ash's Pokédex|Tyranitar, the Armor Pokémon. Tyranitar has a heavily armored body that can withstand powerful attacks and is able to crush a mountain with one hand.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Johto}}

[[File:Tyranitar Evolutions.png|thumb|250px|Tyranitar in [[Pokémon Evolutions]]]]
===GOTCHA!===
A Tyranitar briefly appeared in [[GOTCHA!]], under the ownership of {{ga|Ethan}}.

===Pokémon Evolutions===
In ''[[PE07|The Show]]'', a Tyranitar briefly appeared overlooking [[Ecruteak City]].
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==In the manga==
[[File:Thorton Tyranitar Adventures.png|180px|thumb|Tyranitar in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
[[File:Gurkinn student Mega Tyranitar Adventures.png|180px|thumb|Mega Tyranitar in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===Movie adaptations===
Tyranitar appeared in ''{{ma|Celebi: a Timeless Encounter}}'' where the [[Iron-Masked Marauder]] captures it.

===Pokémon Adventures===
Prior to the events of {{PAV|8}}, {{adv|Silver}} received a {{p|Pupitar}} from [[Lance]]. He evolved into Tyranitar prior to Silver's showdown with {{adv|Gold}} in ''[[PS111|Tyranitar War]]''. Silver remarked that Tyranitar's level was so high that "even I can't control it", likely referencing the tendency for [[trade]]d Pokémon to [[Obedience|disobey]]. Silver eventually returned Tyranitar to Lance, deeming himself still unsuitable to own him.

A Tyranitar appeared in ''[[PS119|A Flaaffy Kerfuffle]]'', where it was one of the Pokémon in {{adv|Professor Oak}}'s fantasy when he explains that {{pkmn|Trainer}}s should only have six Pokémon with them.

A Tyranitar appeared in ''[[PS179|The Last Battle XIII]]'' as one of the Pokémon sent to participate in the fight in [[Ilex Forest]].

[[Thorton]] {{pkmn2|rental|rented}} a Tyranitar for his {{pkmn|battle}} against {{adv|Platinum}} in ''[[PS427|Uprooting Seedot]]'' and ''[[PS428|Outlasting Ledian]]''.

A Tyranitar capable of [[Mega Evolution]] appeared in [[PS595]], under the ownership of one of [[Gurkinn's students]].

===Pokémon Battrio: Aim to be Battrio Master!===
[[Tamaru Hirōga|Tamaru]] owns a Tyranitar.

===Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys===
{{main|Black Tyranitar}}
In ''[[GB22|Farewell To Pikachu?!]]'', {{GnB|Black}} unsealed the [[Black Tyranitar]], a Pokémon that once wreaked havoc in the [[Johto]] [[region]] many years ago. However, upon being freed, it resumed its rampage. In the end, {{GnB|Gold}} managed to seal it back with the help of [[Eusine]] and Black.

===Pokémon Gotta Catch 'Em All===
A Tyranitar appeared in [[GDZ47]], under the ownership of a {{OBP|thief|GDZ47}}.

[[Shu]] {{pkmn2|caught}} a Tyranitar, as seen in [[GDZ63]].

===Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Ginji's Rescue Team===
{{main|Team A.C.T.}}
The Tyranitar from Team A.C.T. appears in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Ginji's Rescue Team]]. He, along with his teammates, is a role model of {{OBP|Mudkip|Ginji's Rescue Team}} and tries to rescue him when he mistakenly believes that [[Ginji]] is a threat to Mudkip's safety.

===Pokémon Pocket Monsters===
A Tyranitar appeared in {{PPM|Red}}'s fantasy in ''[[PM104|The Great Helper!!]]''.

===Pokémon Try Adventure===
A Tyranitar appeared in [[TA24]].

===Pokémon Ranger the Comic: Double Mission===
Billy of the [[Go-Rock Quads]] owns a Tyranitar, which first appeared in ''[[PR3|Pokémon Ranger the Comic: Double Mission Episode Three]]''.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Tyranitar (TCG)}}
{{main|Dark Tyranitar}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]===
Tyranitar appears as a {{sbw|Spirit}}.

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team}}: Tyranitar is a member of [[Team A.C.T.]]
* {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}: [[Go-Rock Quads|Billy]] uses a Tyranitar in his attempts to stop the player.

===Pokédex entries===
In Version 1.0 of Pokémon FireRed, Tyranitar uses its Pokédex entry from Pokémon LeafGreen.
{{Dex/Header|type=Rock|type2=Dark}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Gen/1|gen=II|reg1=Johto|num1=246}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=Extremely strong, it can change the landscape. It has an insolent nature that makes it not care about others.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=In just one of its mighty hands, it has the power to make the ground shake and mountains crumble.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=III|reg1=Hoenn|reg2=Kanto}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest. This Pokémon wanders about in mountains seeking new opponents to fight.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=A Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest. It roams in mountains seeking new opponents to fight.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=It has an impudent nature. Having great strength, it can even change surrounding landforms.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=IV|reg1=Sinnoh|reg2=Johto|num2=251}}
{{Dex/Entry3|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|v3=Platinum|entry=If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=Extremely strong, it can change the landscape. It has an insolent nature that makes it not care about others.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/1|gen=V|reg1=Unova|num1=294|label1={{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}:}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=The quakes caused when it walks make even great mountains crumble and change the surrounding terrain.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=VI|reg1=Kalos|num1=104|label1=Mountain|reg2=Hoenn}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=In just one of its mighty hands, it has the power to make the ground shake and mountains crumble.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest. This Pokémon wanders about in mountains seeking new opponents to fight.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=VII|reg1=Alola|num1=249|label1={{gameabbrev7|USUM}}:|reg2=Kanto}}
{{Dex/NE|[[Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon]], [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]‎}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Sun|entry=It wanders through the mountains seeking opponents to fight. If it finds an opponent that's not worthy, Tyranitar ignores it and wanders on.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Moon|entry=This Pokémon is a mobile disaster, leaving mountains crumbled and houses destroyed in its wake.}}
{{Dex/Form|Mega Tyranitar}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Sun|entry=Due to the colossal power poured into it, this Pokémon's back split right open. Its destructive instincts are the only thing keeping it moving.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Ultra Moon|entry=The effects of Mega Evolution make it more ferocious than ever. It's unclear whether it can even hear its Trainer's orders.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/4|gen=VIII|reg1=Galar|num1=385|reg2=Galar|num2=141|label2=Crown Tundra|reg3=Sinnoh|reg4=Hisui}}
{{Dex/NE|[[Pokémon Legends: Arceus|Legends: Arceus]]}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Sword|entry=Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Shield|entry=The quakes caused when it walks make even great mountains crumble and change the surrounding terrain.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Brilliant Diamond|v2=Shining Pearl|entry=If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/1|gen=IX|reg1=Paldea|num1=318}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=fff|entry=Extremely strong, it can change the landscape. It is so insolent that it doesn’t care about others.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=In just one of its mighty hands, it has the power to make the ground shake and mountains crumble.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}
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| style="{{roundy|0px}} border-radius: 5px; border:2px solid #{{rock color light}}; background:#{{rock color light}}| [[File:Pokedex Image Tyranitar SV.png|x200px]]
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| Tyranitar in the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Paldea Pokédex number|Paldea Pokédex}}
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===Game locations===
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{{Availability/NA|gen=II}}
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{{Availability/Entry2|v=Gold|v2=Silver|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Crystal|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|area=[[Trade]], [[#In events|Event]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Emerald|area=[[Trade]], [[#In events|Event]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=FireRed|v2=LeafGreen|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Colosseum|area=[[Realgam Colosseum|Tower Colosseum]] {{color2|{{shadow color}}|Shadow Pokémon|(Shadow)}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=XD|t=FFF|link=Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Pearl}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Platinum|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Pal Park|color={{locationcolor/light|mountain}}|link=Pal Park|area={{DL|List of Pokémon by Pal Park location|Mountain}}}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=fff|area={{rt|15|Unova}} ({{DL|Phenomenon|rustling grass}})}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=fff|area={{rt|15|Unova}} ({{DL|Phenomenon|rustling grass}})}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=X|v2=Y|t=fff|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|area=[[Trade]], [[#In events|Event]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Sun|v2=Moon}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Ultra Sun|v2=Ultra Moon|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Let's Go Pikachu|v2=Let's Go Eevee|area=Unobtainable}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VIII}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|2|v=Sword|area=[[Trade]], [[Evolution|Evolve]] [[Dynamax Crystal]] {{p|Pupitar}}, [[Wild Area News]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|2|v=Shield|area=[[Dusty Bowl]] ([[Wanderer]]) [[Bridge Field/Dens|Bridge Field]], [[Dusty Bowl/Dens|Dusty Bowl]], [[Giant's Mirror/Dens|Giant's Mirror]], [[Giant's Seat/Dens|Giant's Seat]], [[Rolling Fields/Dens|Rolling Fields]], [[Stony Wilderness/Dens|Stony Wilderness]], [[West Lake Axewell/Dens|West Lake Axewell]] ([[Max Raid Battle]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|2|v=Shield Expansion Pass|color={{shield color dark}}|t=fff|link=Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass|area=[[Roaring-Sea Caves]] ([[Wanderer]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Brilliant Diamond|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Shining Pearl}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Legends: Arceus|area=Unobtainable}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=IX}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|area=}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=Violet|area=[[Union Circle]]}}
|}
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{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Rock|type2=Dark}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=II}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Availability/NA/Side|gen=II}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Trozei!|color={{yellow color}}|area=Endless Level 20, Forever Level 69, Pair Trozei, [[Mr. Who's Den]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Red|v2=MD Blue|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger|link=Pokémon Ranger (game)|area=[[Go-Rock Base]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Quicksand Cave|Quicksand Pit]] (B2F-B10F)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=[[Quicksand Cave|Quicksand Pit]] (B2F-B10F)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: SoA|color={{SoA color}}|link=Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|area=[[Hippowdon Temple]]}}

{{Availability/Entry1|v=PokéPark Wii|color={{grass color}}|link=PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure|area=[[Granite Zone]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: GS|color={{GS color}}|link=Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|area=[[Faldera Island]], [[Fire Temple]], [[Light Temple]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Cave: [[Rugged Flats]] (post-ending)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=PokéPark 2|link=PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond|color={{grass color}}|area=[[Tech Area]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Conquest|color={{silver color}}|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Entranceway#Battle Royale - Cage Match|Entranceway: Battle Royale - Cage Match]] (Boss), [[Secret Warehouse#Walking a Thin Line|Secret Warehouse: Walking a Thin Line]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Battle Trozei|color={{defense color}}|area=[[Distortion Island#Stage 5|Distortion Island: Stage 5]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Shuffle|color={{beauty color}}|area=[[Pedra Valley|Pedra Valley: Stage 200]] [[Zaffiro Coast|Zaffiro Coast: Stage 639]] Event: ''[[Special Stages#Special Challenge|Tyranitar Appears]]''}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Plasma Tundra#Sacred Blade Cliff|Plasma Tundra: Sacred Blade Cliff]] (Back Boss)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Picross|color={{skill color light}}|area=[[Pokémon Picross Stages#Area 23|Area 23: Stage 02]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Rush|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Castform Sea]], [[Entei Sea]], [[Lugia Sea]], [[Zygarde Sea]], [[Charizard Sea]]2020, [[Entei Sea]]Final, [[Zygarde Sea]]Final}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VIII}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=New Snap|link=New Pokémon Snap|color={{orange color light}}|area=[[Sweltering Sands]]Day Level 2+, Night Level 2, [[Barren Badlands]]Night}}
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{{Availability/Cross}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Masters EX|color={{orange color}}|area=Interlude 1: Brock's Grit ([[Sygna Suit]] {{mas|Brock}}'s)}}
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{{Availability/Footer}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|Language/Region|type=Rock|type2=Dark}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Journey Across America Tyranitar|English|United States|70|February 25 to July 23, 2006|link=List of Journey Across America event Pokémon distributions#Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Party of the Decade Tyranitar|English|United States|70|August 8, 2006|link=List of Party of the Decade event Pokémon distributions#Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}|Strongest Class Single Battle Tyranitar|Japanese|Japan|100|September 15 to October 28, 2012|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions (Generation V)#Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}|Strongest Class Pokémon Gift Tyranitar|Korean|South Korea|100|February 24 to May 5, 2013|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions (Generation V)#Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|Pokémon Center Battle Championship Tyranitar|All|Japan|50|June 9 to 15, 2014; July 7 to 21, 2014|link=List of local event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Tyranitar_2}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|X}}|2014 Korean World Championship Series Tyranitar|All|South Korea|50|July 5, 2014|link=List of local event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}|Kotone Yasue's Tyranitar|Japanese region|Nintendo Zone|55[[File:ShinyVIStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|November 7 to December 6, 2015|link=List of Japanese region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Kotone Yasue's Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|XY&Z Tyranitar|Korean region|Online|100|October 19 to November 15, 2016|link=List of Korean region serial code event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Tyranitar}}
|}

=====Pokémon Global Link promotions=====
{{eventAvail/h|type=Rock|type2=Dark}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|English|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|French|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|German|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|Italian|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|Spanish|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}
|}

=====[[Wild Area News]]=====
{{eventAvail/h|Gigantamax|type=Rock|type2=Dark|lochide=yes}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev8|SwSh}}|Wild Area News|No|hide|40, 50, 60|April 28 to May 11, 2020|link=Wild Area News#April 28 to May 11, 2020}}
|}

=====[[Poké Portal News]]=====
{{eventAvail/h|Tera Type|type=Rock|type2=Dark|lochide=yes}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev9|S}}|Tyranitar and Salemence Spotlight|Various|hide|45, 75|December 9 to 11, 2022|link=Poké Portal News#December 9 to 11, 2022}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=Rock|type2=Dark
|colo1=Nugget|colo1type=None|colo1rar=100
|event1=Focus Sash|event1type=None|event1rar=100
|event2=Tyranitarite|event2type=None|event2rar=100
|event3=Life Orb|event3type=None|event3rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
=====Tyranitar=====
{{BaseStats
|type=Rock
|type2=Dark
|HP= 100
|Attack= 134
|Defense=110
|SpAtk= 95
|SpDef= 100
|Speed= 61}}

=====Mega Tyranitar=====
{{Base Stats
|type=Rock
|type2=Dark
|HP=100
|Attack=164
|Defense=150
|SpAtk=95
|SpDef=120
|Speed=71}}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Rock
|type2=Dark
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|Normal= 50
|Fighting=400
|Flying= 50
|Poison= 50
|Ground= 200
|Rock= 100
|Bug= 200
|Ghost= 50
|Steel= 200
|Fire= 50
|Water= 200
|Grass= 200
|Electric=100
|Psychic= 0
|Ice= 100
|Dragon= 100
|Dark= 50
|Fairy= 200
|notes=yes
|dark=yes
|newpsychic=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/9|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Tackle|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Rock Throw|Rock|Physical|50|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|9|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|12|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|15|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|18|Stomping Tantrum|Ground|Physical|75|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|21|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level9|24|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|27|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|33|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|37|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|42|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|47|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|52|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/level9|59|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf/9|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}

====By [[TM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/9|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM001|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM005|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM006|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM007|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM008|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM009|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM010|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM012|Low Kick|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM025|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM027|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM028|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM030|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM034|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM035|Mud Shot|Ground|Special|55|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM036|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM043|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM044|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM046|Avalanche|Ice|Physical|60|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM047|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM049|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM050|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM051|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM055|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM058|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM061|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM062|Foul Play|Dark|Physical|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM066|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM067|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM068|Thunder Punch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM069|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM070|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM076|Rock Blast|Rock|Physical|25|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM078|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM082|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|90|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM084|Stomping Tantrum|Ground|Physical|75|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM085|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM086|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM087|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM089|Body Press|Fighting|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM094|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM099|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM100|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM101|Power Gem|Rock|Special|80|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM103|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM104|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM108|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM115|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM116|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM121|Heavy Slam|Steel|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM123|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM125|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM126|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM130|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM133|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM135|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM141|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM142|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|110|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM143|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM149|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM150|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM152|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM156|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM158|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM163|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM166|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM171|Tera Blast|Normal|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tmf/9|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/9|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}
{{learnlist/breed9||Ancient Power|Rock|Special|60|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed9||Assurance|Dark|Physical|60|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed9||Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/breed9||Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breed9||Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/breed9||Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/breed9||Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/breed9||Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/breed9||Stomp|Normal|Physical|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breedf/9|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh/9|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}
{{learnlist/prevo9null}}
{{learnlist/prevof/9|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{tcg darkness color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{tcg darkness color}}"
! Move
! Card
|- style="background:#fff"
| {{m|Scratch}}
| [[Tyranitar ex (POP Series 1 17)]]
|- style="background:#fff"
| {{m|Slam}}
| [[Tyranitar (Neo Discovery 12)]] [[Rocket's Tyranitar (VS 142)]] [[Tyranitar (Celestial Storm 87)]]
|}

===Side game data===
{{Spindata/Head|type=Rock|type2=Dark}}
{{Spindata/Trozei|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248|rarity=Rare}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDRB|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248
|body=1
|rate=Evolve
|area=Mt. Cleft
|P1=Let us fight! For our victory!
|P2=This is worrisome... My health should be down by half so soon?
|P3=I'm fainting... I lack power...
|PL=There! I've leveled up! I'll keep gaining power this way!
}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDTDS|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248
|body=1
|rate=-12
|IQ=C
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger|col=6|type=Rock
|group=Rock
|assist=Dark
|fieldpower=3
|field=Crush
|loop=11
|MinEXP=300
|MaxEXP=340
|num=195
|browser=Tyranitar shoots a beam from its mouth. It also shakes its body to trigger quakes.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger SoA|col=6|type=Rock
|group=Rock
|assist=Dark
|field=Crush
|fieldpower=4
|num=122
|browser=It is a vicious Pokémon that triggers rockfalls and shoots beams from its mouth.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger GS|col=6|type=Rock
|group=Rock
|assist=Rock
|field=Crush
|fieldpower=4
|num=218
|pastnum=089
|browser=It triggers rockfalls around itself that make Pokémon Tired.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/RumbleBlast|col=6|type=Rock
|att=5
|def=5
|speed=3
}}
|-
{{Spindata/RumbleRush|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248
|walk=1.42
|hp=59
|attack=84
|defense=60
|speed=60
}}
|-
{{Spindata/PokéPark|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248
|Pad=Tyranitar is all set to show anyone in the [[Granite Zone]] his superior skills at {{DL|Attractions|Rhyperior's Bumper Burn}}.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/PokéPark2|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248
|strong=[[File:Oshawott icon.png|link=Oshawott (Pokémon)]][[File:Snivy icon.png|link=Snivy (Pokémon)]]
|weak=[[File:Tepig icon.png|link=Tepig (Pokémon)]]
|pad=Ever since {{p|Conkeldurr}} scolded him for his reckless behavior, he respects Conkeldurr like a father. He does this even though he sometimes rebels against him.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Conquest|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248
|HP=4
|atk=5
|def=4
|spd=3
|range=2
|move=Stone Edge
|ability1=Frighten
|ability2=Tenacity
|ability3=Last Bastion
|evo=Evolves from {{p|Pupitar}} when its Attack is 132 or higher
|link={{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Kageie}}, {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Katsuyori}}, and {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Sōun}}
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Battle Trozei|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248
|power=3
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=3|type=Rock|ndex=248|num=210
|mega=1
|stone=Tyranitarite
|min=80
|max=115
|raisemaxlevel=5
|skill=Eject
|skilldesc=Removes one non-Support Pokémon icon without fail.
|swapper=Crushing Step
|megaspeedup=15
|effectdesc=Erases Pokémon and disruptions around three spots you tap.
}}
{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=3|type=Rock|ndex=248S|stype=Dark|num=210
|mega=1
|stone=Tyranitarite
|min=80
|max=115
|raisemaxlevel=5
|skill=Barrier Shot
|skilldesc=Removes two barrier-type disruptions and increases damage.
|megaspeedup=4
|effectdesc=Removes barrier-covered Pokémon / disruptions (max 10) and damages the foe.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248
|hatch=N/A
|buddy=5
|candy=Larvitar
|evolution=N/A
|stamina=225
|attack=251
|defense=207
|fast={{m|Bite}}, {{m|Iron Tail}}, {{m|Smack Down}}{{tt|†|Event-exclusive from Larvitar Community Day and Johto Celebration 2021}}
|special={{m|Fire Blast}}, {{m|Crunch}}, {{m|Stone Edge}}, {{m|Frustration}}[[File:GO Shadow icon.png|24px|link=Shadow Pokémon (GO)|As Shadow Pokémon]], {{m|Return}}[[File:GO Purified icon.png|24px|link=Shadow Pokémon (GO)|As Purified Pokémon]]
}}
|-
{{Spindata/NewSnap|col=6|type=Rock|ndex=248|pdex=136
|dex=Tyranitar has such a sturdy body, it can even doze off in the middle of a sandstorm. We saw it waiting in [[Sweltering Sands|the]] [[Barren Badlands|desert]], hoping for a suitably strong opponent to come along.}}
|}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|pictype=art
|no1=246
|name1=Larvitar
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Ground
|evo1={{bag/s|Rare Candy|SV}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 30}}
|no2=247
|name2=Pupitar
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Ground
|evo2={{bag/s|Rare Candy|SV}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 55}}
|no3=248
|name3=Tyranitar
|type1-3=Rock
|type2-3=Dark}}

===Forms===
====Mega Evolution====
{{Evobox/Formes
|sprite1=248Tyranitar
|name1=Tyranitar
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Dark
|forme1=Tyranitar
|loc1=Default
|item1=Tyranitarite
|sprite2=248Tyranitar-Mega
|forme2=Mega Tyranitar
|loc2={{color2|000|Held item|Held}} Tyranitarite
}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Rock|type2=Dark}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=II}}
{{Spritebox/2|ndex=248}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=248}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=248}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=248}}
{{Spritebox/6/2Forms|ndex=248|form1=M}}
{{Spritebox/7/2Forms|ndex=248|form1=M}}
{{Spritebox/8/Mega|ndex=248}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|248|Tyranitar}}

==Trivia==
* Tyranitar was actually revealed before its Generation, even before {{p|Ho-Oh}}, as it appeared as a drawing on a Japanese manga cover, illustrated by [[Ken Sugimori]]. However, it was not meant to be a Pokémon at that time. Then later, it turned out to be Tyranitar.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Tyranitar.
* Tyranitar is the only {{type|Dark}} Pokémon in the {{egg3|Monster}}.
* Tyranitar shares its {{pkmn|category}} name with {{p|Donphan}}. They are both known as the Armor Pokémon.
* [[Mega Evolution|Mega]] Tyranitar is tied with Mega {{p|Diancie}} for the highest base stat total of all {{type|Rock}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} and it also has the highest base stat total of all {{type|Dark}} Pokémon.
** Mega Tyranitar has the highest base {{stat|Attack}} and {{stat|Defense}} stats of all Dark-type Pokémon.

===Origin===


Tyranitar's design may have drawn inspiration from the ''{{wp|kaiju}}'' genre; its upright posture may allude to how most ''kaiju'' are humanoid in shape, due to the need to fit a person inside the suit. Mega Tyranitar's back splitting open could be based on an insect emerging from its cocoon.

Another influence it may have is with the {{wp|Armadillo girdled lizard}}, a desert-dwelling lizard mainly distinguished by its especially firm scales; or certain {{wp|Theropoda|theropod}} dinosaurs.

====Name origin====
Tyranitar may be derived from ''tyrant'' or ''{{wp|Tyrannosaurus}}'' (derived from the same root).

Bangiras may be a combination of 野蛮 ''yaban'' (savage) or 蛮 ''ban'' (barbarian) and 嫌い ''kirai'' (hated).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=Rock|type2=Dark
|ja=バンギラス ''Bangiras''|jameaning=From {{tt|野蛮 ''yaban''|savage}}, {{tt|蛮 ''ban''|barbarian}}, and {{tt|嫌い ''kirai''|hated}}
|fr=Tyranocif|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|tyran|tyrant}}'' or ''Tyrannosaurus'' and ''{{tt|nocif|noxious}}''
|es=Tyranitar|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Despotar|demeaning=From ''{{wp|despotism|Despot}}'' and ''lizard''
|it=Tyranitar|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=마기라스 ''Magiras''|komeaning=From {{tt|마 (魔) ''ma''|evil}} or {{tt|만 (蠻) ''man''|savage}} and partial transcription of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=班基拉斯 ''Bānjīlāsī''{{tt|*|Games}} 班吉拉 ''Bānjīlā''{{tt|*|Pre-Gen VII media}}|zh_cmnmeaning=Transcription of its Japanese name Partial transcription of Japanese name
|zh_yue=班基拉斯 ''Bāangēilāaisī''{{tt|*|Games}} 班吉拉 ''Bāangātlāai''{{tt|*|Pre-Gen VII media}}|zh_yuemeaning=Transcription of its Japanese name Partial transcription of Japanese name
|he=טאיראניטר ''Tairanitar''|hemeaning=Transcription of English name
|hi=टाईरानीटर ''Tyranitar''|himeaning=Transcription of English name
|ru=Тиранитар ''Tiranitar''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
|th=บันกิราส ''Bankirat''|thmeaning=Transcription of Japanese name
}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Black Tyranitar]]
* [[Team A.C.T.]]
* [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon]]
* [[Mega Evolution]]

==References==
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==External links==

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Generation

2022-12-25T19:38:41Z

IsaacBoi123: added minor info

{{samename|TCG expansion released to commemorate the {{pkmn|20th Anniversary}}|Generations (TCG)}}
{{samename|animated miniseries|Pokémon Generations}}
A '''generation''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|世代|せだい}}''' ''generation'') is a grouping of the [[Pokémon games]] that separates them based on the {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} they include. In each generation, a new [[region]] and sometimes Remakes of older games, and set of Pokémon that did not exist in the previous generation are introduced.

While generations are not usually discussed officially, they are occasionally. [[Junichi Masuda]] has referred to the fourth generation [https://twitter.com/Junichi_Masuda/status/1052350316681654273 on his Twitter profile] and sixth generation [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?m=201301 on his blog]. {{game|Black and White|s}} were [https://web.archive.org/web/20100603050241/http://www.pokemon.com/us/news/vg_blackwhite_announce-2010-05-28/ referred to] as a "new generation of Pokémon", and [[Pokémon Sun and Moon]] were [http://pokemon.gamespress.com/release.asp?i=1942&lang=en&region=United+Kingdom referred to] as the "newest generation" in press releases.

Generational lines are typically ignored in other parts of the franchise, which continue from where the last generation left off and keep the story going. (This phenomenon is especially true of the {{pkmn|anime}}.) Newer generations may also ignore older parts of the canon that explicitly declare to be true something that is later changed.

To date, there are nine generations, each introducing their own quirks into the franchise. The [[Generation I]] and {{gen|II}} games are compatible with one another via the [[Time Capsule]]; the seven most recent generations are also compatible with each other (forward only) via [[dual-slot mode]], [[Pal Park]], [[Poké Transfer]], [[Poké Transporter]], [[Pokémon Bank]] and [[Pokémon HOME]], but the Generation I and II games were incompatible with later generations until their [[Virtual Console]] releases, which are compatible with [[Generation VII]] onwards.


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! style="background: #{{steel color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Gen
! style="background: #{{steel color light}}" | New Pokémon
! style="background: #{{steel color light}}" | Total Pokémon
! style="background: #{{steel color light}}" | Core games (JP/US)
! style="background: #{{steel color light}}" | Side games (JP/US)
! style="background: #{{steel color light}}" | Spin-off games (JP/US)
! style="background: #{{steel color light}}" | Anime (Japanese series upper, English series and seasons lower)
! style="background: #{{steel color light}}" | Movies
! style="background: #{{steel color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | TCG
|- style="background: #FFF"
! style="background: #{{kanto color light}}" rowspan="2" | {{color2|000|Generation I|I}}
| rowspan="2" | {{cat|Generation I Pokémon|151}}
| rowspan="2" | 151
| rowspan="2" | {{2v2|Red|Green}} (1996/—) {{v2|Blue| (Japanese)}} (1996/—) {{2v2|Red|Blue}} (—/1998) {{v2|Yellow}} (1998/1999)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Stadium (Japanese)}} (1998/—) {{pkmn|Stadium (English)}} ({{tt|1999|as Pokémon Stadium 2}}/2000)
| rowspan="2" | [[Pokémon Trading Card Game (game)|Trading Card Game]] (1998/2000) {{pkmn|Pinball}} (1999) {{pkmn|Snap}} (1999) {{pkmn|Puzzle League}} (—/2000)
| [[Original series|''Pocket Monsters'']] ''Pocket Monsters'' ''Pocket Monsters: Episode Orange Islands''
| rowspan="2" | ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'' ''[[M02|The Power of One]]''
| rowspan="2" | {{TCG|Base Set}} {{TCG|Jungle}} {{TCG|Fossil}} {{TCG|Base Set 2}} {{TCG|Team Rocket}} {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} {{TCG|Gym Challenge}}
|- style="background: #FFF"
| [[Original series|''Pokémon the Series: The Beginning'']] ''[[S01|Pokémon: Indigo League]]'' ''[[S02|Pokémon: Adventures in the Orange Islands]]''
|- style="background: #FFF"
! style="background: #{{johto color light}}" rowspan="2" | {{color2|000|Generation II|II}}
| rowspan="2" | {{cat|Generation II Pokémon|100}}
| rowspan="2" | 251
| rowspan="2" | {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} (1999/2000) {{v2|Crystal}} (2000/2001)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Stadium 2}} ({{tt|2000|as Pokémon Stadium Gold and Silver}}/2001)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Puzzle Challenge}} (2000) {{pkmn|Card GB2: Here Comes Team GR!}} (2001/—)
| [[Original series|''Pocket Monsters'']] ''Pocket Monsters: Episode Gold & Silver''
| rowspan="2" | ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown: Entei]]'' ''[[M04|Celebi: The Voice of the Forest]]'' ''[[M05|Pokémon Heroes: Latios & Latias]]''
| rowspan="2" | {{TCG|Neo Genesis}} {{TCG|Neo Discovery}} {{TCG|Neo Revelation}} {{TCG|Neo Destiny}} {{TCG|Legendary Collection}} {{TCG|Expedition Base Set|Expedition}} {{TCG|Aquapolis}} {{TCG|Skyridge}}
|- style="background: #FFF"
| [[Original series|''Pokémon the Series: Gold and Silver'']] ''[[S03|Pokémon: The Johto Journeys]]'' ''[[S04|Pokémon: Johto League Champions]]'' ''[[S05|Pokémon: Master Quest]]''
|- style="background: #FFF"
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}" rowspan="2" | {{color2|000|Generation III|III}}
| rowspan="2" | {{cat|Generation III Pokémon|135}}
| rowspan="2" | 386
| rowspan="2" | {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}} (2002/2003) {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} (2004) {{v2|Emerald}} (2004/2005)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Colosseum}} (2003/2004) [[Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire|Box RS]] (2003/2004) [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|XD]] (2005)
| rowspan="2" | [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire|Pinball R&S]] (2003) {{pkmn|Dash}} (2004/2005) {{pkmn|Trozei!}} (2005/2006) [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Mystery Dungeon Red/Blue]] (2005/2006) [[Pokémon Ranger (game)|Ranger]] (2006)
| [[Pokémon the Series: Ruby and Sapphire|''Pocket Monsters Advanced Generation'']]
| rowspan="2" | ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'' ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'' ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'' ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]''
| rowspan="2" | {{TCG|EX Ruby & Sapphire}} {{TCG|EX Sandstorm}} {{TCG|EX Dragon}} {{TCG|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua}} {{TCG|EX Hidden Legends}} {{TCG|EX FireRed & LeafGreen}} {{TCG|EX Team Rocket Returns}} {{TCG|EX Deoxys}} {{TCG|EX Emerald}} {{TCG|EX Unseen Forces}} {{TCG|EX Delta Species}} {{TCG|EX Legend Maker}} {{TCG|EX Holon Phantoms}} {{TCG|EX Crystal Guardians}} {{TCG|EX Dragon Frontiers}} {{TCG|EX Power Keepers}}
|- style="background: #FFF"
| ''[[Pokémon the Series: Ruby and Sapphire]]'' ''[[S06|Pokémon: Advanced]]'' ''[[S07|Pokémon: Advanced Challenge]]'' ''[[S08|Pokémon: Advanced Battle]]'' ''[[S09|Pokémon: Battle Frontier]]''
|- style="background: #FFF"
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}" rowspan="2" | {{color2|000|Generation IV|IV}}
| rowspan="2" | {{cat|Generation IV Pokémon|107}}
| rowspan="2" | 493
| rowspan="2" | {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} (2006/2007) {{v2|Platinum}} (2008/2009) {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} (2009/2010)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Battle Revolution}} (2006/2007) [[My Pokémon Ranch|Ranch]] (2008)
| rowspan="2" | [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Mystery Dungeon Time/Darkness]] (2007/2008) [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|Ranger 2]] (2008) [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Mystery Dungeon Sky]] (2009) {{pkmn|Rumble}} (2009) [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (WiiWare)|Mystery Dungeon Blazing/Stormy/Light]] (2009/—) [[PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure|PokéPark Wii]] (2009/2010) [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|Ranger 3]] (2010)
| [[Pokémon the Series: Diamond and Pearl|''Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl'']]
| rowspan="2" | ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'' ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]'' ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'' ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''
| rowspan="2" | {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} {{TCG|Mysterious Treasures|Mysterious Treasures}} {{TCG|Secret Wonders|Secret Wonders}} {{TCG|Great Encounters|Great Encounters}} {{TCG|Majestic Dawn|Majestic Dawn}} {{TCG|Legends Awakened|Legends Awakened}} {{TCG|Stormfront|Stormfront}} {{TCG|Platinum}} {{TCG|Rising Rivals|Rising Rivals}} {{TCG|Supreme Victors|Supreme Victors}} {{TCG|Arceus|Arceus}} {{TCG|HeartGold & SoulSilver}} {{TCG|Unleashed}} {{TCG|Undaunted}} {{TCG|Triumphant}} {{TCG|Call of Legends}}
|- style="background: #FFF"
| ''[[Pokémon the Series: Diamond and Pearl]]'' ''[[S10|Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl]]'' ''[[S11|Pokémon Battle Dimension]]'' ''[[S12|Pokémon Galactic Battles]]'' ''[[S13|Pokémon Sinnoh League Victors]]''
|- style="background: #FFF"
! style="background: #{{unova color light}}" rowspan="2" | {{color2|000|Generation V|V}}
| rowspan="2" | {{cat|Generation V Pokémon|156}}
| rowspan="2" | 649
| rowspan="2" | {{2v2|Black|White}} (2010/2011) {{2v2|Black|White|2}} (2012)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Dream Radar}} (2012)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Rumble Blast}} (2011) [[Learn with Pokémon: Typing Adventure]] (2011/2012) [[PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond|PokéPark 2]] (2011/2012) {{pkmn|Conquest}} (2012) [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity|Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity]] (2012/2013) {{pkmn|Rumble U}} (2013)
| [[Pokémon the Series: Black & White|''Pocket Monsters Best Wishes!'']] ''Best Wishes!'' ''Best Wishes! Season 2'' ''Best Wishes! Season 2: Episode N'' ''Best Wishes! Season 2: Decolora Adventure!''
| rowspan="2" | ''[[M14|White—Victini and Zekrom Black—Victini and Reshiram]]'' ''[[M15|Kyurem VS. The Sword of Justice]]'' ''[[M16|Genesect and the Legend Awakened]]''
| rowspan="2" | {{TCG|Black & White}} {{TCG|Emerging Powers}} {{TCG|Noble Victories}} {{TCG|Next Destinies}} {{TCG|Dark Explorers}} {{TCG|Dragons Exalted}} {{TCG|Dragon Vault}} {{TCG|Boundaries Crossed}} {{TCG|Plasma Storm}} {{tcg|Plasma Freeze}} {{tcg|Plasma Blast}} {{tcg|Legendary Treasures}}
|- style="background: #FFF"
| ''[[Pokémon the Series: Black & White]]'' ''[[S14|Pokémon: Black & White]]'' ''[[S15|Pokémon Black & White: Rival Destinies]]'' ''[[S16|Pokémon Black & White: Adventures in Unova]]''
|- style="background: #FFF"
! style="background: #{{kalos color light}}" rowspan="2" | {{color2|000|Generation VI|VI}}
| rowspan="2" | {{cat|Generation VI Pokémon|72}}
| rowspan="2" | 721
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|X and Y}} (2013) {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} (2014)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Bank}} (2013/2014) {{pkmn|GO}} (2016)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Battle Trozei}} (2014) {{pkmn|Art Academy}} (2014) {{pkmn|Shuffle}} (2015) {{pkmn|Rumble World}} (2015) {{pkmn|Super Mystery Dungeon}} (2015) {{pkmn|Picross}} (2015) [[Pokkén Tournament]] (2015/2016) [[Detective Pikachu (game)|Detective Pikachu – Birth of a New Duo]] (2016/—) {{pkmn|Duel}} (2016/2017)
| [[Pokémon the Series: XY|''Pocket Monsters XY'']] ''XY'' ''XY&Z''
| rowspan="2" | ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]'' ''[[M18|Hoopa and the Clash of Ages]]'' ''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]''
| rowspan="2" | {{TCG|Kalos Starter Set}} {{TCG|XY}} {{TCG|Flashfire}} {{TCG|Furious Fists}} {{TCG|Phantom Forces}} {{TCG|Primal Clash}} {{TCG|Double Crisis}} {{TCG|Roaring Skies}} {{TCG|Ancient Origins}} {{TCG|BREAKthrough}} {{tcg|BREAKpoint}} {{TCG|Generations}} {{TCG|Fates Collide}} {{TCG|Steam Siege}} {{TCG|Evolutions}}
|- style="background: #FFF"
| ''[[Pokémon the Series: XY]]'' ''[[S17|Pokémon the Series: XY]]'' ''[[S18|Pokémon the Series: XY Kalos Quest]]'' ''[[S19|Pokémon the Series: XYZ]]''
|- style="background: #FFF"
! rowspan="2" style="background: #{{alola color light}}" | {{color2|000|Generation VII|VII}}
| rowspan="2" | {{cat|Generation VII Pokémon|88}}
| rowspan="2" | 809
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Sun and Moon}} (2016) {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}} (2017) [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]] (2018)
| rowspan="2" | {{pkmn|Bank}} ([[Pokémon Bank#Version history|Version 1.4]]) (2017)
| rowspan="2" | [[Pokémon: Magikarp Jump|Magikarp Jump]] (2017) [[Pokkén Tournament|Pokkén Tournament DX]] (2017) {{ga|Detective Pikachu}} (2018) {{pkmn|Quest}} (2018) {{pkmn|Rumble Rush}} (2019) {{pkmn|Masters EX|Masters}} (2019)
| [[Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon|''Pocket Monsters Sun & Moon'']]
| ''[[M20|I Choose You!]]'' ''[[M21|The Power of Us]]'' ''[[M22|Mewtwo Strikes Back—Evolution]]'' 
| rowspan="2" | {{TCG|Sun & Moon}} {{TCG|Guardians Rising}} {{TCG|Burning Shadows}} {{TCG|Shining Legends}} {{TCG|Crimson Invasion}} {{TCG|Ultra Prism}} {{TCG|Forbidden Light}} {{tcg|Celestial Storm}} {{tcg|Dragon Majesty}} {{tcg|Lost Thunder}} {{tcg|Team Up}} {{TCG|Unbroken Bonds}} {{TCG|Unified Minds}} {{tcg|Hidden Fates}} {{tcg|Cosmic Eclipse}}
|- style="background: #FFF"
| ''[[Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon]]'' ''[[S20|Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon]]'' ''[[S21|Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon—Ultra Adventures]]'' ''[[S22|Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon—Ultra Legends]]''
| ''{{mov|Detective Pikachu}}''
|-
! rowspan="2" style="background: #{{galar color light}}" | {{color2|000|Generation VIII|VIII}}
| rowspan="2" style="background: #FFF" | {{cat|Generation VIII Pokémon|96}}
| rowspan="2" style="background: #FFF" | 905
| rowspan="2" style="background: #FFF" | {{pkmn|Sword and Shield}} (2019) {{pkmn|Sword and Shield Expansion Pass}} (2020) {{pkmn|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}} (2021) {{pkmn|Legends: Arceus}} (2022)
| rowspan="2" style="background: #FFF" | {{pkmn|HOME}} (2020)
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History of the Pokémon world

2022-12-25T19:34:48Z

IsaacBoi123: Added hoenn timeline for non-mega evo multiverse

{{fan speculation}}
Below is a timeline of events in the '''history of the Pokémon world''', primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon games]], since these tend to also apply to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events for the anime series]] as well as [[Timeline of events in Pokémon Adventures|one for Pokémon Adventures]], both of which differ from that of the games.

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]]. It is not entirely clear if these legends are true or not, but there are many hints in the series that suggest that they are.

Please note that the timeline below is based on speculation and confirmed information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

==Timeline==
[[File:Kyogre Groudon legend.png|thumb|250px|The clash between Groudon and Kyogre as depicted in ancient paintings]]
===Beginning of the [[Pokémon universe]]===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.

* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|Egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first being in existence. Arceus then creates {{p|Dialga|time}}, {{p|Palkia|space}}, and {{p|Giratina|anti-matter}}. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia then succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]] and retreat into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.

* Arceus then creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".

* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]].

* Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The [[Red Orb|Red]] and [[Blue Orb]]s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, the only other Pokémon known to exist was {{p|Regigigas}}, and the {{p|Mew}} species.

* Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and creates the three titans, {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}}, out of clay, ice, and magma, respectively.

* The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world, and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the [[Adamant Orb|Adamant]], [[Lustrous Orb|Lustrous]], and [[Griseous Orb]]s before falling into a deep slumber.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil]]s and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

'''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] existed at this time. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species.

* 500 million years ago: {{p|Anorith}} is stated to have existed in primordial seas, with its eight legs at some point developing into its known eight wings.

* 300 million years ago: An ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}} lived in the sea.
** Team Plasma later used {{p|Genesect}}'s DNA to create an infinitely stronger version of it with cybernetic technology.

* An unspecified hundreds of millions of years ago: {{p|Carbink}} begins its undisturbed underground sleep after its birth. It was born from deep underground temperatures and pressures.

* 100 million years ago: Species such as {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Tirtouga}}, {{p|Archen}}, {{p|Tyrantrum}} and {{p|Amaura}} were supposedly widespread. They all ultimately went extinct, but not before Archen gave rise to bird Pokémon and Tirtouga gave rise to turtle Pokémon.
** A [[Root Fossil|fossil]] is found millions of years later in Hoenn and revived scientifically by the [[Devon Corporation]].
** {{p|Shellder}} is known to be the prey of {{p|Omastar}}.
** {{p|Carracosta}} and {{p|Archeops}} preyed on {{p|Omanyte}}. Only Carracosta is known to have eaten {{p|Omastar}}.

* {{p|Relicanth}} is said to have remained unchanged for over 100 million years.

* 3,000,000: The first humans appeared around this time.

* 1,000,000 years ago: The Great Crater of [[Paldea]] is created.

* 20,000 years ago:
** A meteorite containing {{p|Eternatus}} fell in the [[Galar]] region.
** The first {{p|Claydol}} was brought to life from a clay doll.

* 10,000 years ago:
** During the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.
** Oldest known mural depictions of [[Cyclizar]] being ridden by humans.

* At some point in the distant past, the {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates due to unknown reasons and becomes weaker.

* At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in the Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice, and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region after years of human worship.

* 5,000 years ago: [[Gogoat]] is domesticated & humans begin using them for transport.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{cat|Relic items}} are created.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''
[[File:Ultimate Weapon.png|thumb|250px|AZ and the ultimate weapon]]
* The Kalos war occurred, the [[ultimate weapon]] was created underneath [[Geosenge Town]], and [[AZ]] was given eternal life. This sets a chain of events into motion that leads to the discovery of [[Mega Evolution]], as well as splitting the Pokémon timeline into two different multiverses, one where [[Mega Evolution]] exists, and another where Mega Evolution doesn't exist.

===Non-Mega Evolution Timeline===
In the Non-Mega Evolution timeline, no Kalos war had ever occurred. This timeline consists of [[Generation I]], [[Generation II]], [[Generation III]], [[Generation IV]], and [[Generation V]].
Many years pass, and People start to invent new technology, and [[Pokémon League|Pokémon Leagues]], [[Professor|Professors]], and more start to begin around each region.
*'''Kanto'''
In the [[Kanto|Kanto region]], a Professor known as [[Professor Oak]] calls upon two trainers, [[Red]], from [[Pallet Town]], and his grandson, [[Blue]], from [[Viridian City]]. He explains to Red and Blue about the Pokémon world, and gives them both a mission: To complete the [[Pokédex]]. He gives them a Pokédex, then tells them to choose a [[Starter Pokémon]]. Red chooses {{p|Charmander}}, and Blue chooses {{p|Squirtle}}. The two then set out on their adventures. Red, learns about the Pokémon League, and challenges many different Gyms. Once he beats all 8 Gyms, he goes back to Prof. Oak, and Oak tells him to find and catch the Legendary Pokémon, {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, and {{p|Mewtwo}}. Red does this, and finishes the Pokédex, with the excepction of {{p|Mew}}.
Red then heads to [[Victory Road]], and challenges the [[Elite Four]], then becoming the League Champion.
*'''Hoenn'''
In the [[Hoenn|Hoenn region]], Two evil teams known as [[Team Aqua]] and [[Team Magma]] are focused on awakening the Legendary Pokémon, {{p|Kyogre}}/{{p|Groudon}} sp that they can control the region. A new family, moves to the Hoenn region from {{r|Johto]], and two new trainers, [[May (game)|May]] or [[Brandon]], set out on their Pokémon journey. Once they save a Professor from {{p|Poochyena}}, he lets them become Pokémon trainers and choose their starter. Then either May or Brandon set out to beat all the gyms and stop Team Magma/Aqua from summoning Kyogre/Groudon. In the end, Team Magma/Aqua use the Blue/Red Orbs to summon Kyogre/Groudon. To stop this, May or Brandon summons {{p|Rayquaza}}, to stop the Clash between Groudon and Kyogre, thus saving the Hoenn region and then either May/Brandon challenge The Elite Four, then Cynthia, and become Hoenn's Champion.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* A black storm called the [[Darkest Day]] occurred and was stopped by {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}.
* [[Melmetal]] is worshipped by ancient humans for its ability to create metal from nothing.

'''2,500 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The [[Relic Castle]] is built.
** The [[Dragonspiral Tower]] is known as Unova's oldest structure, though its age is unstated.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Conkeldurr}} is said to have taught humans how to make concrete using centrifugal force.

'''2,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Hoenn]] is plagued by meteor showers. A meteor turns the homeplace of the [[Draconid people]] into [[Meteor Falls]].
* The world overflowed with natural energy which {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, in their [[Primal Reversion|primal]] forms, fought over. They ravaged the earth and were only calmed by {{p|Rayquaza}} after the Draconid people summoned it using a wish on a meteor at Meteor Falls. The people of Hoenn begin to revere Rayquaza as a savior.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
*The Paldean Empire began to rule Paldea.
* The emperor of Paldea ushers in the Great Age of Exploration by sending expeditions into The Great Crater of Paldea to find the treasure rumored to lie inside.

'''1,500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.
* The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.

'''c. 1,000-2,000 years before [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] (c. 1,300-2,300 years before [[Generation IV]]):'''
* An ancient society called the Celestica people lived in the Sinnoh region. They worshiped {{p|Arceus}} and built many structures which can still be found as ruins in the region in modern times, such as [[Solaceon Ruins]], [[Snowpoint Temple]], and [[Spear Pillar]].

'''1,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* A thousand years after the events at Meteor Falls, a meteor struck Hoenn, creating Sootopolis City. {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} reawakened to fight over the wellspring of primal energy which came from it. The people of Hoenn wished on {{p|Rayquaza}} to save them, and using the meteor, Rayquaza performed the world's first [[Mega Evolution]] and calmed the two. [[Sky Pillar]] was built in Rayquaza's honor, and the [[Draconid people]] promised to pass down the prophecy that in 1,000 years the meteor would return - causing the events of the [[Delta Episode]].

'''805 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
* [[Naranja Academy]]/[[Uva Academy]] is founded in [[Mesagoza]].

'''800 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* {{p|Xerneas}} released life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to a forest, where it went to sleep in the form of a tree.
* {{p|Yveltal}} absorbed life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to the mountains, where it went to sleep in the form of a cocoon.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|250px|Ecruteak City]]

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The [[Sinjoh Ruins]] are built by two groups of people, from Sinnoh and Johto's [[Ruins of Alph]]. The site's architecture expresses a fusion of the two group's ideas and mythology.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* [[Poké Ball]]s are invented.
* The [[Diamond Clan]] and [[Pearl Clan]] lived in the Hisui region. They share a deity called almighty Sinnoh, but argue whether it {{p|Palkia|created space}} or {{p|Dialga|created time}}.
* The [[Galaxy Expedition Team]] comprised of people from many regions arrived in Hisui to explore the land, document the Pokémon, and settle the region.
* The events of [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] occur.

'''c. 700 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* A {{p|Spiritomb}} is bound to a fissure in an [[Odd Keystone]] as punishment for misdeeds.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* The [[guardian deities]] fought against {{p|Solgaleo}} and {{p|Lunala}}.
* {{p|Magearna}} is created by a scientist who used the life energy of other Pokémon to create its {{a|Soul-Heart}}, and is presented to a king's daughter.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented.<ref>'''[[Koga/Quotes|Koga]]:''' ''TM06 contains Toxic! It is a secret technique over 400 years old!''</ref>

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Azalea Town]] in [[Johto]] is struck by long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* {{p|Rolycoly}} is first discovered in a coal mine.

'''c. 300 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* [[Parfum Palace]] is built.

'''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[Village Bridge]] is constructed by a man and his {{p|Gurdurr}} after the river flooded the area.
* The island that would become [[Liberty Garden]] is bought by an ultra-rich family and {{p|Victini}} is hidden in a backroom.

'''c. 150 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]] while Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[Legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.

'''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The warehouses of [[Nacrene City]] are constructed.
* {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].
* {{p|Roggenrola}} is discovered in an earthquake fissure.

'''1925'''
* Modern [[Poké Ball]]s are developed from the research of [[Professor Westwood V|Professor Westwood]] of [[Celadon University]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Elgyem}} is seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the [[desert#In Unova|desert]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* [[Mustard]] defeats [[Opal]] and becomes {{pkmn|Champion}} of Galar.

'''c. 40 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{p|Lunatone}} is seen for the first time in a crater.

'''c. 32 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* Mustard is dethroned as Champion of the [[Galar League]] after an 18-year long victory streak, and retires soon after.

'''Several decades before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Sea Mauville]] is decommissioned after the closure of [[New Mauville]].

'''1969:'''
* [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|Humans land on the Moon for the first time]].<ref>'''Old Man:''' ''"July 20, 1969! Humankind first set foot on the moon that day. I bought a color TV just so I could watch that news."''</ref>

'''20 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[N]] is born.<ref name="BW age">[http://raim2005.blog18.fc2.com/blog-entry-980.html 【BW/BW2】ファンミーティング情報のまとめ blue skY]</ref><ref name="N and Cheren age">[http://pk-mn.com/n/b2w2-fan-meeting-n-nenrei/ 「ポケモンブラック２ホワイト２」のファンミーティングで、「N」や「チェレン」の年齢、怒ったNのイラストなどの設定資料が公開 (Japanese)]</ref><ref>Pash Monthly, May 2013, interview with Episode N director [https://archive.is/iQ3tR (archive of tweeted scan, Japanese)]</ref>

'''14-15 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{ga|Hilbert}} is born.<ref name="BW age"/>
* {{ga|Hilda}} is born<ref name="BW age"/>
* [[Cheren]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/><ref name="N and Cheren age"/>
* [[Bianca]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/>

'''13-15 years prior to [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:'''
* [[Mina]] is born.<ref>[[Media:Mina LGPE concept art.png|Concept art]] from [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu!, Let's Go, Eevee!]].</ref>

'''12 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{ga|Brendan}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Brendan, ''12'', a Pokémon Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>
* {{ga|May}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Her name is May, aged ''12'', a Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* {{ga|Red}} is born.<ref>[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''You are an '''11 year-old''' boy living in Pallet Town with your mother.''"</ref>
* {{ga|Leaf}} is born.<ref name="Leaf age">{{ga|Red}} is stated to be 11-years-old according to Pokémon Blue's manual. Since Leaf is Red's female counterpart, this would presumably make her the same age as Red.</ref>
* {{ga|Blue}} is born.<ref name="Blue age">[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''He sees you as his rival because you are '''the same age''' and height.''"</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* The [[Litleonids|Litleonid meteor shower]] passes by [[Hoenn]] for the last time prior to {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}.
* [[Hoenn TV|TV Mauville]] is founded.

'''11 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* {{ga|Elio}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age">[[Wicke]] asks if the player and [[Hau]] are around 11, the minimum age required to take on the Island Challenge, and the player can respond with "Yeah, I am" or "How'd you know?".</ref>
* {{ga|Selene}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age"</>
* [[Hau]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''He's the '''same age''' as your character.''"</ref><ref>[[Hau/Quotes|Hau]]: "''Yeah, I took the first chance I had to join in the island challenge once I turned '''11'''!''"</ref>
* [[Lillie]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''This young girl is about '''the same age as your character''', and she's working as Professor Kukui’s assistant for personal reasons.''"</ref>

'''10 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Wally]] is born.<ref>[[TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network]]: "''This remarkable '''10-year-old''' Trainer is originally from Petalburg City and is known to his friends and family as Wally.''"</ref>
* [[Pokémon Center]]s in [[Hoenn]] are remodeled, removing the second floor and the Pokémon Cable Club.

'''1995'''
* The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.<ref>According to the [[Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia]], Porygon was created in 1995.</ref>

'''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
* A {{p|Rotom}} inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:

'''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. {{p|Mewtwo}}, a clone of Mew, is born on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's Gym]] is declared the official Gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
* Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
* The [[Battle Resort]] opens in [[Hoenn]].
* [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] is torn down due to being old and creaky. During the process, the Radio Tower Director comes across the [[Clear Bell]], which he keeps for the time being. A new Goldenrod Radio Tower is built in its place.
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] begins.

'''Ten years prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}} invents a time machine and bring [[Paradox Pokémon]] into the present, and is later killed by a second {{p|Koraidon}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Miraidon}}{{sup/9|V}}.

'''A year and a half prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Nemona]] becomes the youngest Champion-class Trainer in Paldea.
* [[Team Star]] is formed.

'''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

'''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:
** {{ga|Red}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his Pokémon journey after his rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he then challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Network Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Olivine City]] in [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s daughter/son; however, later on, the rivalry is with [[Wally]] instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and calming {{p|Groudon}} or {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, they challenge and defeat Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion themself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

'''{{gameabbrev7|PE}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:
** {{ga|Chase}}/{{ga|Elaine}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on their Pokémon journey after their rival, {{ga|Trace}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] with the help of {{ga|Blue}} and Trace, along the way, they then challenge Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and compete for the title of Champion in one final battle with Trace. After defeating Trace, Chase/Elaine becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}. From there, they capture {{p|Mewtwo}} and meet {{ga|Green}}, a Trainer who had hoped to capture Mewtwo for herself. They also confront [[Archer]], an {{tc|Executive|admin}} of the remnants of Team Rocket, who challenges them to one last battle before swearing that he will avenge his boss, [[Giovanni]].

'''Between {{gen|I}}/{{gen|III}} and {{gen|II}}/{{gen|IV}}:'''
* [[Anabel]] enters an [[Ultra Wormhole]] and is found by [[Nanu]] and [[Looker]] in [[Alola]].
* The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} occur.
* Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of the island's settlement, except for the [[Pokémon Center]]. As a result, [[Blaine]], the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, relocates the gym to the nearby [[Seafoam Islands]].
* {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]], succeeding the former Team Rocket leader [[Giovanni]].
* {{ga|Red}} retreats to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
* Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}} types in the region of Kanto.


* [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when his {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a {{safari|Johto|new Safari Zone}} in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] is converted into a Radio Tower.
* A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
* Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
* A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].
* [[Professor Rowan]] returns to [[Sinnoh]] after four years.

'''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]]/{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}} ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]/{{gameabbrev8|BDSP}}):'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]:
** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with their [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon and challenges them as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact Giovanni, their former leader. They are defeated, and the new leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's Badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight Gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their Badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares them ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where they meet and challenges {{ga|Red}}.
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker,  their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight Gyms to gain the Badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{p|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion themself.
* [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

'''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
*The events of [[Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness]]:
** [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return to the [[Orre|Orre region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

'''Between {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] is completed.

'''Between [[Generation II]]/{{Gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part in Kanto returns to [[Unova]], intending to reform Team Rocket there despite its second defeat, as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
* [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]]/[[Johto]] [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
* {{tc|Scientist}} Dudley, a member of [[Team Plasma]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.
* Team Plasma steals [[Hugh's sister]]'s {{p|Purrloin}}, and [[Hugh]] swears to one day get it back.

'''12 years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
[[File:N {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}.jpg|thumb|250px|N and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}:
** {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}} along with their friends [[Cheren]] and [[Bianca]] receive their very first Pokémon in the bedroom of {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}'s house in [[Nuvema Town]] from [[Professor Juniper]]. The three decide to leave Nuvema Town and go on a journey across their region of [[Unova]], with Cheren wanting to learn as much about every kind of Pokémon possible and Bianca going against the wishes of her dad. Upon arriving in [[Accumula Town]] they encounter the nefarious [[Team Plasma]] who announce their plans for Pokémon liberation to separate Pokémon from humans. Hilbert/Hilda then battle Team Plasma's leader, a mysterious man known only as [[N]] who claims Pokémon are his friends. Hilbert/Hilda make a journey across the land of Unova challenging all eight Gyms and earning all eight Badges. After earning the eighth Badge, they travel to the {{un|Pokémon League}} where they defeat the Elite Four. Upon defeating the Elite Four, they discover that N has already defeated the Champion [[Alder]] and promptly summons his castle, destroying the Pokémon League Castle. [[Ghetsis]], one of the members of the [[Seven Sages]] reveals that he had the plan to separate people and Pokémon so that he could be the only person in the whole world with Pokémon. After defeating N and Ghetsis with {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} N becomes sorry for all his wrongdoing and flies off to distant lands on his dragon of legend. Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca continue their journey in Unova and get recruited by an undercover officer codenamed [[Looker]] to discover and arrest the remaining six of the Seven Sages. After the arrest of all six, Hilbert/Hilda returns to the Pokémon League, re-defeats the Elite Four, then challenges and defeats Alder, becoming Champion of Unova.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White}} and {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}}''':
* Hilbert/Hilda leaves Unova with their Dragon to look for N.
* Bianca officially becomes Professor Juniper's assistant.
* The Pokémon distribution of Unova changes drastically.
* [[Cilan]], [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Lenora]], and [[Brycen]] retire as Gym Leaders to train.
* Cheren, [[Roxie]], and [[Marlon]] become Gym Leaders.
* Alder retires as the Champion, and [[Iris]] takes his place.
* Five of the Seven Sages leave Team Plasma, and Ghetsis and [[Zinzolin]] form a new Team Plasma solely dedicated to conquering Unova.
* A landslide seals off {{rt|10|Unova}} and a majority of {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, forcing another {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} to be built. Another landslide seals off [[Challenger's Cave]].
* Significant construction occurs in Unova:
** The [[Cold Storage]] in the south of [[Driftveil City]] is replaced by the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** A section of the mountain near [[Undella Town]] is constructed into a new town called [[Lentimas Town]]
** {{tc|The Riches}} house in Undella Town is demolished, with new villas built in the town.
** The [[Marine Tube]] is built between Undella Town and [[Humilau City]], connecting the two.
** The [[Castelia Sewers]] are made accessible on Thumb Pier, which leads to Castelia's park, or when flooded, to Castelia's back alley.
* {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} moves to [[Vaniville Town]] in [[Kalos]] with their mother.

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White}} ([[Generation VI]])''':
[[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}} Encounter.png|thumb|250px|Encountering {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}:
** {{ga|Nate}}/{{ga|Rosa}} receives their first Pokémon from Bianca in their hometown of [[Aspertia City]]. Together with [[Hugh]], who hopes to take back his sister's Purrloin from Team Plasma, the duo takes on the new lineup of Gyms in the Unova region. After earning their seventh badge from [[Drayden]], Team Plasma attacks [[Opelucid City]], covering the city in unbreakable ice. The [[Shadow Triad]] takes the opportunity to steal the [[DNA Splicers]] from [[Opelucid Gym]]. Nate/Rosa and Hugh chase Team Plasma to [[Humilau City]], where after earning their final badge, they confront [[Zinzolin]], [[Colress]], and the Shadow Triad at the [[Giant Chasm]]. After the Triad releases Hugh's sister's Purrloin, now a {{p|Liepard}}, Hugh tells Nate/Rosa to go ahead and confront Team Plasma's leader, Ghetsis. Just before Ghetsis freezes Nate/Rosa alive with {{p|Kyurem}}'s {{m|Glaciate}}, [[N]] flies in on {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}}, saving them. However, Ghetsis uses Kyurem's power to turn Reshiram/Zekrom back into an orb, then uses the DNA Splicers to turn Kyurem into {{form|Kyurem|Black/White Kyurem}}. Nate/Rosa knocks out Kyurem, causing the two Dragon Pokémon to separate, then defeats an enraged Ghetsis. Thankful, N suggests that Nate/Rosa proceed to the Pokémon League. Heeding his words, Nate/Rosa ascend Victory Road, defeats the Elite Four, and emerges victorious in battle with the new Champion, Iris. After returning home, Hugh's sister thanks to the player for helping her big brother, and tells Nate/Rosa that she has been dreaming of a {{p|Zoroark}} calling Nate/Rosa's name. At Hugh's suggestion, Nate/Rosa returns to Victory Road, finding a Zoroark that leads them to the ruins of [[N's Castle]], where N and Reshiram/Zekrom challenge them to battle. After being defeated, N says goodbye to his dragon and releases it by asking it to turn back into an orb to give to Nate/Rosa. Nate/Rosa climbs to the top of [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and faces {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} again, this time, in an attempt to capture it.
**{{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} leave their home in [[Vaniville Town]] meeting [[Shauna]] and {{tt|{{ga|Serena}}/{{ga|Calem}}|The player character not chosen.}} who invite them to join them for a meeting in [[Aquacorde Town]]. {{ga|Calem}}, {{ga|Serena}} and [[Shauna]] receive their first Pokémon from [[Tierno]] and a Pokédex from [[Trevor]] on behalf of [[Professor Sycamore]]. After delivering a letter to their {{kal|Grace|Mom}} from Professor Sycamore, they head on an adventure traveling across [[Kalos]] challenging eight Gyms in order to earn eight Badges to then challenge the {{kal|Pokémon League}}. Along their journey, they come into contact with [[Team Flare]], an organization whose goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money. They try to do this by stealing [[fossil]]s from [[Glittering Cave]], siphoning electricity from the [[Kalos Power Plant]], stealing the Poké Balls from the [[Poké Ball Factory]] in [[Laverre City]], and attempting to agitate and capture an {{p|Abomasnow}}. Calem/Serena also encounters a mysterious giant called [[AZ]] on several occasions, the first being on [[Kalos Route 13]]. After earning their seventh badge from [[Olympia]], Calem/Serena are contacted by [[Lysandre]], a man introduced by Professor Sycamore, who reveals himself to be the leader of Team Flare and his intention to use the [[ultimate weapon]] to eliminate all life in the world. Calem/Serena battle Lysandre first in [[Lysandre Labs]] and again in the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]], before making their way down to the basement where they find {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}}/{{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}} and battle them, before battling against Lysandre once more. Even though Lysandre is defeated, and Calem/Serena and their friends reason with him, he still fires the ultimate weapon. The blast the weapon emits destroys it and buries Lysandre and the HQ, ultimately disbanding Team Flare. Calem/Serena then heads to the Pokémon League where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Diantha]], becoming {{pkmn|Champion}} of [[Kalos]]. After becoming Champion, Looker contacts {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} to help him fight crime in Lumiose City.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} and [[Generation VII]]''':
* [[Gladion]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{TP|Gladion|Type: Null}}.
* [[Sina]] and [[Dexio]] are sent to [[Alola]] by [[Professor Sycamore]] to follow {{p|Zygarde}}.
* {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue}} come to [[Alola]] to act as the bosses of the [[Battle Tree]].
* [[Grimsley]] and [[Colress]] come to [[Alola]].
* [[Lillie]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{p|Cosmog}}, [[nickname]]d [[Nebby]].

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} ([[Generation VII]])''':
[[File:Lillie and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}.png|thumb|x175px|Lillie and Nebby as a {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}]]
* The events of {{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}:
** {{ga|Elio}}/{{ga|Selene}} leaves their home on {{rt|1|Alola}} on a Pokémon journey three months after moving to the [[Alola]] region from Kanto. They receive their starter Pokémon from [[Hala]] and meet [[Lillie]] and [[Hau]]. Elio/Selene receives a [[Z-Ring]] at the festival inaugurating their [[island challenge]], consisting of seven trials and four grand trials in order to become the island challenge champion. Along the journey, they encounter a group called [[Team Skull]], whose members are misfits who failed the island challenge and aim to cause trouble, as well as another group called the [[Aether Foundation]], whose goal is to cure hurt Pokémon. After defeating the leader of Team Skull, [[Guzma]], at the [[Shady House]], Elio/Selene travel to [[Aether Paradise]], where they battle [[Lusamine]], the president of the Aether Foundation. Lusamine opens [[Ultra Wormhole]]s across Alola and enters one with Guzma. Elio/Selene and Lillie evolve [[Nebby]] into {{p|Solgaleo}}{{sup/7|S}}/{{p|Lunala}}{{sup/7|M}} at the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|S}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|M}} and travel into [[Ultra Space]], where Elio/Selene battles Lusamine again and bring her and Guzma back to Alola. Elio/Selene catches Solgaleo{{sup/7|S}}/Lunala{{sup/7|M}} after Lillie tells it that she isn't a Trainer. Elio/Selene climbs [[Mount Lanakila]] to its summit, the newly opened {{al|Pokémon League}}, where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Professor Kukui]], becoming the first {{pkmn|Champion}} of Alola. A festival is held in [[Iki Town]], and Lillie brings Elio/Selene to the [[Ruins of Conflict]] to battle {{p|Tapu Koko}}. The next day, Lillie leaves for Kanto to help her mother. The International Police contact Elio/Selene to investigate and catch the [[Ultra Beast]]s unleashed across Alola.
* The events of {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}:
** Events proceed similarly to the above, but Lusamine now seeks to aid the [[Ultra Recon Squad]] in stopping {{P|Necrozma}}. When Elio/Selene and Lillie reach the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|US}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|UM}}, they discover that Lusamine and Guzma have been defeated and Necrozma fuses with Nebby to become Dusk Mane Necrozma{{sup/7|US}}Dawn Wings Necrozma{{sup/7|UM}}. It is repelled, and Elio/Selene pursues it into [[Ultra Megalopolis]], where they find it has become Ultra Necrozma. Despite its incredible power, Ultra Necrozma is defeated and Nebby is freed from Necrozma's influence. Sometime after Elio/Selene becomes the Champion, the Aether Foundation is attacked by [[Team Rainbow Rocket]], which seeks to use the Aether Foundation's research to further their goals of multiversal conquest.

'''Between [[Generation VII]] and [[Generation VIII]]''':
* Research notes of {{p|Type: Null}} are stolen.<ref>Pokédex from Sword: ''Rumor has it that the theft of top-secret research notes led to a new instance of this Pokémon being created in the [[Galar]] region.''</ref>

'''Some time after [[Generation VII]] ([[Generation VIII]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Sword and Shield}} and its [[Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass|Expansion Pass]]:
** {{ga|Victor}}/{{ga|Gloria}} and [[Hop]] receive their [[starter Pokémon]] from [[Leon]], the undefeated {{pkmn|Champion}}, and meet a mysterious {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the [[Slumbering Weald]]. The two receive [[Pokédex]]es from [[Sonia]], [[Dynamax Band]]s from [[Professor Magnolia]], and [[endorsement]]s from Leon to enter the [[Galar League|Gym Challenge]]. They head on an adventure traveling across Galar challenging [[Gym]]s in order to earn eight [[Badge]]s to enter the Champion Cup. Over the course of their {{pkmn|journey}}, they encounter a group called [[Team Yell]], whose members support [[Marnie]] in the Gym Challenge. They also encounter another group called [[Macro Cosmos]], a conglomerate led by [[Rose]], who has endorsed his ward [[Bede]] in the Gym Challenge. During the Champion Cup in [[Wyndon Stadium]], Rose interrupts the Championship Match by reawakening {{p|Eternatus}} and bringing about the [[Darkest Day]] in an attempt to provide energy for the Galar region in 1,000 years. Victor/Gloria and Hop find a [[Rusted Sword]] and [[Rusted Shield]] and head to the [[Energy Plant]] in [[Hammerlocke]], where they battle Rose and summon {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}. After defeating it, Victor/Gloria manages to catch Eternatus and returns to [[Wyndon]] to defeat Leon in the Championship Match, becoming the new Champion of Galar.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Isle of Armor]], where they meet a new rival, [[Klara]]{{sup/8|Sw}}/[[Avery]]{{sup/8|Sh}}, and are taken under the wing of former Champion [[Mustard]] as a student of [[Master Dojo|his dojo]]. Victor/Gloria competes in a series of trials with their new rival, eventually defeating them in a final battle, earning them the right to inheirit the Dojo's "secret armor", the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Kubfu}}. After [[Friendship|bonding]] with each other, Victor/Gloria and Kubfu challenge one of the [[Towers of Two Fists]], culminating in a battle against Mustard and his own Kubfu. Victor/Gloria is successful, and Kubfu learns the secret of the tower, allowing it to [[Evolution|evolve]] into {{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Urshifu|Single Strike Style or Rapid Strike Style}} {{p|Urshifu}}.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Crown Tundra]], where they meet the retired [[Gym Leader]] [[Peony]], who recruits them as the leader of his exploration team, and tasks them with investigating three mysteries surrounding the tundra. In the [[Legendary Clue 1|first mystery]], Victor/Gloria meets {{p|Calyrex}}, the former king of the Crown Tundra, and helps it reunite with its steed, {{p|Glastrier}} or {{p|Spectrier}}. In the [[Legendary Clue 2|second mystery]], they investigate ruins scattered around the tundra, encountering and [[caught Pokémon|catching]] the [[Legendary titans]]. In the [[Legendary Clue 3|third mystery]], Victor/Gloria pursues and catches the {{rf|Galarian}} [[legendary birds]] across Galar. Upon solving these mysteries, Victor/Gloria finds a note describing a [[Legendary Clue?|fourth mystery]] that Peony does not recall writing. Upon bringing it to the [[Max Lair]], Victor/Gloria learns about [[Ultra Beast]]s and {{p|Necrozma}}, and is eventually able to catch Necrozma in a [[Dynamax Adventure]].
** After becoming Champion, Victor/Gloria and Hop stop the plans of [[Sordward]] and [[Shielbert]], who cause chaos around the region in their misguided attempt to restore the Galarian monarchy. In the process, Victor/Gloria catches one of the two Legendary Pokémon of Galar, and Hop sets out to be a [[Pokémon Professor]].
** After resolving the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, Victor/Gloria returns to the Master Dojo, where they find Hop conducting research on [[Sonia]]'s behalf. Mustard tells them that Urshifu hates the taste of {{DL|Master Dojo|Max Soup}}, so, in order for it to unlock its [[Gigantamax]] potential, a special ingredient is needed to make it drink the Max Soup. He doesn't reveal what this ingredient is, though, and leaves it to the duo to figure it out on their own. After a few bad guesses, Victor/Gloria and Hop travel to [[Honeycalm Island]], where Victor/Gloria gets thrust into a [[Max Raid Battle]] against a [[Dynamax]] {{p|Vespiquen}}. After defeating it, they find the missing ingredient: [[Max Honey]]. Upon returning to the dojo, Mustard informs Victor/Gloria that he wants to battle them in a no-holds-barred battle, where he uses his full power. In the battle, Mustard uses his own Gigantamax Urshifu. After being defeated, Mustard declares that he has nothing more to teach Victor/Gloria.
** After the events of the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, [[The Isle of Armor]], and [[The Crown Tundra]], Victor/Gloria receives a call on their [[Rotom Phone]] from Leon, who invites them and many other strong [[Pokémon Trainer]]s from Galar to a new type of competition called the [[Galarian Star Tournament]] (in which Trainers form duos and compete in [[Multi Battle]]s) at [[Wyndon Stadium]]. Victor/Gloria partners with [[Hop]] or [[Marnie]] in the inaugural tournament, and emerges victorious after defeating Leon and [[Raihan]] (if their partner is Hop) or Raihan and [[Piers]] (if their partner is Marnie) in the finals, after which Leon announces that further Galarian Star Tournaments will occur.

'''Some time after [[Generation VIII]] ([[Generation IX]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Scarlet and Violet}}.

==Trivia==
* The chronology of the {{pkmn|games}} was confirmed by [[Toshinobu Matsumiya]] on Twitter in May 2014, but the tweet was deleted shortly after.<ref>[http://archive.today/D9iPz archive.today] (archived from [https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 the original])</ref> No further comments on the tweet or its deletion have been made by [[Game Freak]] staff members.
* In {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and {{g|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}, the existence of [[Pokémon multiverse|multiple alternate universes]] is revealed.

==References==
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{{fan speculation}}
Below is a timeline of events in the '''history of the Pokémon world''', primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon games]], since these tend to also apply to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events for the anime series]] as well as [[Timeline of events in Pokémon Adventures|one for Pokémon Adventures]], both of which differ from that of the games.

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]]. It is not entirely clear if these legends are true or not, but there are many hints in the series that suggest that they are.

Please note that the timeline below is based on speculation and confirmed information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

==Timeline==
[[File:Kyogre Groudon legend.png|thumb|250px|The clash between Groudon and Kyogre as depicted in ancient paintings]]
===Beginning of the [[Pokémon universe]]===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.

* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|Egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first being in existence. Arceus then creates {{p|Dialga|time}}, {{p|Palkia|space}}, and {{p|Giratina|anti-matter}}. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia then succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]] and retreat into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.

* Arceus then creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".

* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]].

* Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The [[Red Orb|Red]] and [[Blue Orb]]s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, the only other Pokémon known to exist was {{p|Regigigas}}, and the {{p|Mew}} species.

* Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and creates the three titans, {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}}, out of clay, ice, and magma, respectively.

* The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world, and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the [[Adamant Orb|Adamant]], [[Lustrous Orb|Lustrous]], and [[Griseous Orb]]s before falling into a deep slumber.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil]]s and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

'''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] existed at this time. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species.

* 500 million years ago: {{p|Anorith}} is stated to have existed in primordial seas, with its eight legs at some point developing into its known eight wings.

* 300 million years ago: An ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}} lived in the sea.
** Team Plasma later used {{p|Genesect}}'s DNA to create an infinitely stronger version of it with cybernetic technology.

* An unspecified hundreds of millions of years ago: {{p|Carbink}} begins its undisturbed underground sleep after its birth. It was born from deep underground temperatures and pressures.

* 100 million years ago: Species such as {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Tirtouga}}, {{p|Archen}}, {{p|Tyrantrum}} and {{p|Amaura}} were supposedly widespread. They all ultimately went extinct, but not before Archen gave rise to bird Pokémon and Tirtouga gave rise to turtle Pokémon.
** A [[Root Fossil|fossil]] is found millions of years later in Hoenn and revived scientifically by the [[Devon Corporation]].
** {{p|Shellder}} is known to be the prey of {{p|Omastar}}.
** {{p|Carracosta}} and {{p|Archeops}} preyed on {{p|Omanyte}}. Only Carracosta is known to have eaten {{p|Omastar}}.

* {{p|Relicanth}} is said to have remained unchanged for over 100 million years.

* 3,000,000: The first humans appeared around this time.

* 1,000,000 years ago: The Great Crater of [[Paldea]] is created.

* 20,000 years ago:
** A meteorite containing {{p|Eternatus}} fell in the [[Galar]] region.
** The first {{p|Claydol}} was brought to life from a clay doll.

* 10,000 years ago:
** During the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.
** Oldest known mural depictions of [[Cyclizar]] being ridden by humans.

* At some point in the distant past, the {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates due to unknown reasons and becomes weaker.

* At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in the Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice, and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region after years of human worship.

* 5,000 years ago: [[Gogoat]] is domesticated & humans begin using them for transport.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{cat|Relic items}} are created.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''
[[File:Ultimate Weapon.png|thumb|250px|AZ and the ultimate weapon]]
* The Kalos war occurred, the [[ultimate weapon]] was created underneath [[Geosenge Town]], and [[AZ]] was given eternal life. This sets a chain of events into motion that leads to the discovery of [[Mega Evolution]], as well as splitting the Pokémon timeline into two different multiverses, one where [[Mega Evolution]] exists, and another where Mega Evolution doesn't exist.

===Non-Mega Evolution Timeline===
In the Non-Mega Evolution timeline, no Kalos war had ever occurred. This timeline consists of [[Generation I]], [[Generation II]], [[Generation III]], [[Generation IV]], and [[Generation V]].
Many years pass, and People start to invent new technology, and [[Pokémon League|Pokémon Leagues]], [[Professor|Professors]], and more start to begin around each region.
*'''Kanto'''
In the [[Kanto|Kanto region]], a Professor known as [[Professor Oak]] calls upon two trainers, [[Red]], from [[Pallet Town]], and his grandson, [[Blue]], from [[Viridian City]]. He explains to Red and Blue about the Pokémon world, and gives them both a mission: To complete the [[Pokédex]]. He gives them a Pokédex, then tells them to choose a [[Starter Pokémon]]. Red chooses {{p|Charmander}}, and Blue chooses {{p|Squirtle}}. The two then set out on their adventures. Red, learns about the Pokémon League, and challenges many different Gyms. Once he beats all 8 Gyms, he goes back to Prof. Oak, and Oak tells him to find and catch the Legendary Pokémon, {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, and {{p|Mewtwo}}. Red does this, and finishes the Pokédex, with the excepction of {{p|Mew}}.
Red then heads to [[Victory Road]], and challenges the [[Elite Four]], then becoming the League Champion.
'''Hoenn'''

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* A black storm called the [[Darkest Day]] occurred and was stopped by {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}.
* [[Melmetal]] is worshipped by ancient humans for its ability to create metal from nothing.

'''2,500 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The [[Relic Castle]] is built.
** The [[Dragonspiral Tower]] is known as Unova's oldest structure, though its age is unstated.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Conkeldurr}} is said to have taught humans how to make concrete using centrifugal force.

'''2,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Hoenn]] is plagued by meteor showers. A meteor turns the homeplace of the [[Draconid people]] into [[Meteor Falls]].
* The world overflowed with natural energy which {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, in their [[Primal Reversion|primal]] forms, fought over. They ravaged the earth and were only calmed by {{p|Rayquaza}} after the Draconid people summoned it using a wish on a meteor at Meteor Falls. The people of Hoenn begin to revere Rayquaza as a savior.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
*The Paldean Empire began to rule Paldea.
* The emperor of Paldea ushers in the Great Age of Exploration by sending expeditions into The Great Crater of Paldea to find the treasure rumored to lie inside.

'''1,500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.
* The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.

'''c. 1,000-2,000 years before [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] (c. 1,300-2,300 years before [[Generation IV]]):'''
* An ancient society called the Celestica people lived in the Sinnoh region. They worshiped {{p|Arceus}} and built many structures which can still be found as ruins in the region in modern times, such as [[Solaceon Ruins]], [[Snowpoint Temple]], and [[Spear Pillar]].

'''1,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* A thousand years after the events at Meteor Falls, a meteor struck Hoenn, creating Sootopolis City. {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} reawakened to fight over the wellspring of primal energy which came from it. The people of Hoenn wished on {{p|Rayquaza}} to save them, and using the meteor, Rayquaza performed the world's first [[Mega Evolution]] and calmed the two. [[Sky Pillar]] was built in Rayquaza's honor, and the [[Draconid people]] promised to pass down the prophecy that in 1,000 years the meteor would return - causing the events of the [[Delta Episode]].

'''805 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
* [[Naranja Academy]]/[[Uva Academy]] is founded in [[Mesagoza]].

'''800 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* {{p|Xerneas}} released life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to a forest, where it went to sleep in the form of a tree.
* {{p|Yveltal}} absorbed life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to the mountains, where it went to sleep in the form of a cocoon.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|250px|Ecruteak City]]

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The [[Sinjoh Ruins]] are built by two groups of people, from Sinnoh and Johto's [[Ruins of Alph]]. The site's architecture expresses a fusion of the two group's ideas and mythology.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* [[Poké Ball]]s are invented.
* The [[Diamond Clan]] and [[Pearl Clan]] lived in the Hisui region. They share a deity called almighty Sinnoh, but argue whether it {{p|Palkia|created space}} or {{p|Dialga|created time}}.
* The [[Galaxy Expedition Team]] comprised of people from many regions arrived in Hisui to explore the land, document the Pokémon, and settle the region.
* The events of [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] occur.

'''c. 700 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* A {{p|Spiritomb}} is bound to a fissure in an [[Odd Keystone]] as punishment for misdeeds.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* The [[guardian deities]] fought against {{p|Solgaleo}} and {{p|Lunala}}.
* {{p|Magearna}} is created by a scientist who used the life energy of other Pokémon to create its {{a|Soul-Heart}}, and is presented to a king's daughter.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented.<ref>'''[[Koga/Quotes|Koga]]:''' ''TM06 contains Toxic! It is a secret technique over 400 years old!''</ref>

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Azalea Town]] in [[Johto]] is struck by long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* {{p|Rolycoly}} is first discovered in a coal mine.

'''c. 300 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* [[Parfum Palace]] is built.

'''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[Village Bridge]] is constructed by a man and his {{p|Gurdurr}} after the river flooded the area.
* The island that would become [[Liberty Garden]] is bought by an ultra-rich family and {{p|Victini}} is hidden in a backroom.

'''c. 150 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]] while Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[Legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.

'''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The warehouses of [[Nacrene City]] are constructed.
* {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].
* {{p|Roggenrola}} is discovered in an earthquake fissure.

'''1925'''
* Modern [[Poké Ball]]s are developed from the research of [[Professor Westwood V|Professor Westwood]] of [[Celadon University]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Elgyem}} is seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the [[desert#In Unova|desert]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* [[Mustard]] defeats [[Opal]] and becomes {{pkmn|Champion}} of Galar.

'''c. 40 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{p|Lunatone}} is seen for the first time in a crater.

'''c. 32 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* Mustard is dethroned as Champion of the [[Galar League]] after an 18-year long victory streak, and retires soon after.

'''Several decades before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Sea Mauville]] is decommissioned after the closure of [[New Mauville]].

'''1969:'''
* [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|Humans land on the Moon for the first time]].<ref>'''Old Man:''' ''"July 20, 1969! Humankind first set foot on the moon that day. I bought a color TV just so I could watch that news."''</ref>

'''20 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[N]] is born.<ref name="BW age">[http://raim2005.blog18.fc2.com/blog-entry-980.html 【BW/BW2】ファンミーティング情報のまとめ blue skY]</ref><ref name="N and Cheren age">[http://pk-mn.com/n/b2w2-fan-meeting-n-nenrei/ 「ポケモンブラック２ホワイト２」のファンミーティングで、「N」や「チェレン」の年齢、怒ったNのイラストなどの設定資料が公開 (Japanese)]</ref><ref>Pash Monthly, May 2013, interview with Episode N director [https://archive.is/iQ3tR (archive of tweeted scan, Japanese)]</ref>

'''14-15 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{ga|Hilbert}} is born.<ref name="BW age"/>
* {{ga|Hilda}} is born<ref name="BW age"/>
* [[Cheren]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/><ref name="N and Cheren age"/>
* [[Bianca]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/>

'''13-15 years prior to [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:'''
* [[Mina]] is born.<ref>[[Media:Mina LGPE concept art.png|Concept art]] from [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu!, Let's Go, Eevee!]].</ref>

'''12 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{ga|Brendan}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Brendan, ''12'', a Pokémon Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>
* {{ga|May}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Her name is May, aged ''12'', a Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* {{ga|Red}} is born.<ref>[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''You are an '''11 year-old''' boy living in Pallet Town with your mother.''"</ref>
* {{ga|Leaf}} is born.<ref name="Leaf age">{{ga|Red}} is stated to be 11-years-old according to Pokémon Blue's manual. Since Leaf is Red's female counterpart, this would presumably make her the same age as Red.</ref>
* {{ga|Blue}} is born.<ref name="Blue age">[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''He sees you as his rival because you are '''the same age''' and height.''"</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* The [[Litleonids|Litleonid meteor shower]] passes by [[Hoenn]] for the last time prior to {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}.
* [[Hoenn TV|TV Mauville]] is founded.

'''11 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* {{ga|Elio}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age">[[Wicke]] asks if the player and [[Hau]] are around 11, the minimum age required to take on the Island Challenge, and the player can respond with "Yeah, I am" or "How'd you know?".</ref>
* {{ga|Selene}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age"</>
* [[Hau]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''He's the '''same age''' as your character.''"</ref><ref>[[Hau/Quotes|Hau]]: "''Yeah, I took the first chance I had to join in the island challenge once I turned '''11'''!''"</ref>
* [[Lillie]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''This young girl is about '''the same age as your character''', and she's working as Professor Kukui’s assistant for personal reasons.''"</ref>

'''10 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Wally]] is born.<ref>[[TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network]]: "''This remarkable '''10-year-old''' Trainer is originally from Petalburg City and is known to his friends and family as Wally.''"</ref>
* [[Pokémon Center]]s in [[Hoenn]] are remodeled, removing the second floor and the Pokémon Cable Club.

'''1995'''
* The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.<ref>According to the [[Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia]], Porygon was created in 1995.</ref>

'''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
* A {{p|Rotom}} inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:

'''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. {{p|Mewtwo}}, a clone of Mew, is born on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's Gym]] is declared the official Gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
* Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
* The [[Battle Resort]] opens in [[Hoenn]].
* [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] is torn down due to being old and creaky. During the process, the Radio Tower Director comes across the [[Clear Bell]], which he keeps for the time being. A new Goldenrod Radio Tower is built in its place.
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] begins.

'''Ten years prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}} invents a time machine and bring [[Paradox Pokémon]] into the present, and is later killed by a second {{p|Koraidon}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Miraidon}}{{sup/9|V}}.

'''A year and a half prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Nemona]] becomes the youngest Champion-class Trainer in Paldea.
* [[Team Star]] is formed.

'''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

'''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:
** {{ga|Red}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his Pokémon journey after his rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he then challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Network Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Olivine City]] in [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s daughter/son; however, later on, the rivalry is with [[Wally]] instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and calming {{p|Groudon}} or {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, they challenge and defeat Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion themself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

'''{{gameabbrev7|PE}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:
** {{ga|Chase}}/{{ga|Elaine}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on their Pokémon journey after their rival, {{ga|Trace}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] with the help of {{ga|Blue}} and Trace, along the way, they then challenge Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and compete for the title of Champion in one final battle with Trace. After defeating Trace, Chase/Elaine becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}. From there, they capture {{p|Mewtwo}} and meet {{ga|Green}}, a Trainer who had hoped to capture Mewtwo for herself. They also confront [[Archer]], an {{tc|Executive|admin}} of the remnants of Team Rocket, who challenges them to one last battle before swearing that he will avenge his boss, [[Giovanni]].

'''Between {{gen|I}}/{{gen|III}} and {{gen|II}}/{{gen|IV}}:'''
* [[Anabel]] enters an [[Ultra Wormhole]] and is found by [[Nanu]] and [[Looker]] in [[Alola]].
* The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} occur.
* Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of the island's settlement, except for the [[Pokémon Center]]. As a result, [[Blaine]], the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, relocates the gym to the nearby [[Seafoam Islands]].
* {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]], succeeding the former Team Rocket leader [[Giovanni]].
* {{ga|Red}} retreats to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
* Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}} types in the region of Kanto.


* [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when his {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a {{safari|Johto|new Safari Zone}} in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] is converted into a Radio Tower.
* A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
* Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
* A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].
* [[Professor Rowan]] returns to [[Sinnoh]] after four years.

'''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]]/{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}} ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]/{{gameabbrev8|BDSP}}):'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]:
** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with their [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon and challenges them as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact Giovanni, their former leader. They are defeated, and the new leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's Badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight Gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their Badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares them ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where they meet and challenges {{ga|Red}}.
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker,  their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight Gyms to gain the Badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{p|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion themself.
* [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

'''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
*The events of [[Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness]]:
** [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return to the [[Orre|Orre region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

'''Between {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] is completed.

'''Between [[Generation II]]/{{Gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part in Kanto returns to [[Unova]], intending to reform Team Rocket there despite its second defeat, as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
* [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]]/[[Johto]] [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
* {{tc|Scientist}} Dudley, a member of [[Team Plasma]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.
* Team Plasma steals [[Hugh's sister]]'s {{p|Purrloin}}, and [[Hugh]] swears to one day get it back.

'''12 years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
[[File:N {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}.jpg|thumb|250px|N and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}:
** {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}} along with their friends [[Cheren]] and [[Bianca]] receive their very first Pokémon in the bedroom of {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}'s house in [[Nuvema Town]] from [[Professor Juniper]]. The three decide to leave Nuvema Town and go on a journey across their region of [[Unova]], with Cheren wanting to learn as much about every kind of Pokémon possible and Bianca going against the wishes of her dad. Upon arriving in [[Accumula Town]] they encounter the nefarious [[Team Plasma]] who announce their plans for Pokémon liberation to separate Pokémon from humans. Hilbert/Hilda then battle Team Plasma's leader, a mysterious man known only as [[N]] who claims Pokémon are his friends. Hilbert/Hilda make a journey across the land of Unova challenging all eight Gyms and earning all eight Badges. After earning the eighth Badge, they travel to the {{un|Pokémon League}} where they defeat the Elite Four. Upon defeating the Elite Four, they discover that N has already defeated the Champion [[Alder]] and promptly summons his castle, destroying the Pokémon League Castle. [[Ghetsis]], one of the members of the [[Seven Sages]] reveals that he had the plan to separate people and Pokémon so that he could be the only person in the whole world with Pokémon. After defeating N and Ghetsis with {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} N becomes sorry for all his wrongdoing and flies off to distant lands on his dragon of legend. Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca continue their journey in Unova and get recruited by an undercover officer codenamed [[Looker]] to discover and arrest the remaining six of the Seven Sages. After the arrest of all six, Hilbert/Hilda returns to the Pokémon League, re-defeats the Elite Four, then challenges and defeats Alder, becoming Champion of Unova.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White}} and {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}}''':
* Hilbert/Hilda leaves Unova with their Dragon to look for N.
* Bianca officially becomes Professor Juniper's assistant.
* The Pokémon distribution of Unova changes drastically.
* [[Cilan]], [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Lenora]], and [[Brycen]] retire as Gym Leaders to train.
* Cheren, [[Roxie]], and [[Marlon]] become Gym Leaders.
* Alder retires as the Champion, and [[Iris]] takes his place.
* Five of the Seven Sages leave Team Plasma, and Ghetsis and [[Zinzolin]] form a new Team Plasma solely dedicated to conquering Unova.
* A landslide seals off {{rt|10|Unova}} and a majority of {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, forcing another {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} to be built. Another landslide seals off [[Challenger's Cave]].
* Significant construction occurs in Unova:
** The [[Cold Storage]] in the south of [[Driftveil City]] is replaced by the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** A section of the mountain near [[Undella Town]] is constructed into a new town called [[Lentimas Town]]
** {{tc|The Riches}} house in Undella Town is demolished, with new villas built in the town.
** The [[Marine Tube]] is built between Undella Town and [[Humilau City]], connecting the two.
** The [[Castelia Sewers]] are made accessible on Thumb Pier, which leads to Castelia's park, or when flooded, to Castelia's back alley.
* {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} moves to [[Vaniville Town]] in [[Kalos]] with their mother.

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White}} ([[Generation VI]])''':
[[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}} Encounter.png|thumb|250px|Encountering {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}:
** {{ga|Nate}}/{{ga|Rosa}} receives their first Pokémon from Bianca in their hometown of [[Aspertia City]]. Together with [[Hugh]], who hopes to take back his sister's Purrloin from Team Plasma, the duo takes on the new lineup of Gyms in the Unova region. After earning their seventh badge from [[Drayden]], Team Plasma attacks [[Opelucid City]], covering the city in unbreakable ice. The [[Shadow Triad]] takes the opportunity to steal the [[DNA Splicers]] from [[Opelucid Gym]]. Nate/Rosa and Hugh chase Team Plasma to [[Humilau City]], where after earning their final badge, they confront [[Zinzolin]], [[Colress]], and the Shadow Triad at the [[Giant Chasm]]. After the Triad releases Hugh's sister's Purrloin, now a {{p|Liepard}}, Hugh tells Nate/Rosa to go ahead and confront Team Plasma's leader, Ghetsis. Just before Ghetsis freezes Nate/Rosa alive with {{p|Kyurem}}'s {{m|Glaciate}}, [[N]] flies in on {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}}, saving them. However, Ghetsis uses Kyurem's power to turn Reshiram/Zekrom back into an orb, then uses the DNA Splicers to turn Kyurem into {{form|Kyurem|Black/White Kyurem}}. Nate/Rosa knocks out Kyurem, causing the two Dragon Pokémon to separate, then defeats an enraged Ghetsis. Thankful, N suggests that Nate/Rosa proceed to the Pokémon League. Heeding his words, Nate/Rosa ascend Victory Road, defeats the Elite Four, and emerges victorious in battle with the new Champion, Iris. After returning home, Hugh's sister thanks to the player for helping her big brother, and tells Nate/Rosa that she has been dreaming of a {{p|Zoroark}} calling Nate/Rosa's name. At Hugh's suggestion, Nate/Rosa returns to Victory Road, finding a Zoroark that leads them to the ruins of [[N's Castle]], where N and Reshiram/Zekrom challenge them to battle. After being defeated, N says goodbye to his dragon and releases it by asking it to turn back into an orb to give to Nate/Rosa. Nate/Rosa climbs to the top of [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and faces {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} again, this time, in an attempt to capture it.
**{{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} leave their home in [[Vaniville Town]] meeting [[Shauna]] and {{tt|{{ga|Serena}}/{{ga|Calem}}|The player character not chosen.}} who invite them to join them for a meeting in [[Aquacorde Town]]. {{ga|Calem}}, {{ga|Serena}} and [[Shauna]] receive their first Pokémon from [[Tierno]] and a Pokédex from [[Trevor]] on behalf of [[Professor Sycamore]]. After delivering a letter to their {{kal|Grace|Mom}} from Professor Sycamore, they head on an adventure traveling across [[Kalos]] challenging eight Gyms in order to earn eight Badges to then challenge the {{kal|Pokémon League}}. Along their journey, they come into contact with [[Team Flare]], an organization whose goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money. They try to do this by stealing [[fossil]]s from [[Glittering Cave]], siphoning electricity from the [[Kalos Power Plant]], stealing the Poké Balls from the [[Poké Ball Factory]] in [[Laverre City]], and attempting to agitate and capture an {{p|Abomasnow}}. Calem/Serena also encounters a mysterious giant called [[AZ]] on several occasions, the first being on [[Kalos Route 13]]. After earning their seventh badge from [[Olympia]], Calem/Serena are contacted by [[Lysandre]], a man introduced by Professor Sycamore, who reveals himself to be the leader of Team Flare and his intention to use the [[ultimate weapon]] to eliminate all life in the world. Calem/Serena battle Lysandre first in [[Lysandre Labs]] and again in the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]], before making their way down to the basement where they find {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}}/{{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}} and battle them, before battling against Lysandre once more. Even though Lysandre is defeated, and Calem/Serena and their friends reason with him, he still fires the ultimate weapon. The blast the weapon emits destroys it and buries Lysandre and the HQ, ultimately disbanding Team Flare. Calem/Serena then heads to the Pokémon League where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Diantha]], becoming {{pkmn|Champion}} of [[Kalos]]. After becoming Champion, Looker contacts {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} to help him fight crime in Lumiose City.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} and [[Generation VII]]''':
* [[Gladion]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{TP|Gladion|Type: Null}}.
* [[Sina]] and [[Dexio]] are sent to [[Alola]] by [[Professor Sycamore]] to follow {{p|Zygarde}}.
* {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue}} come to [[Alola]] to act as the bosses of the [[Battle Tree]].
* [[Grimsley]] and [[Colress]] come to [[Alola]].
* [[Lillie]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{p|Cosmog}}, [[nickname]]d [[Nebby]].

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} ([[Generation VII]])''':
[[File:Lillie and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}.png|thumb|x175px|Lillie and Nebby as a {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}]]
* The events of {{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}:
** {{ga|Elio}}/{{ga|Selene}} leaves their home on {{rt|1|Alola}} on a Pokémon journey three months after moving to the [[Alola]] region from Kanto. They receive their starter Pokémon from [[Hala]] and meet [[Lillie]] and [[Hau]]. Elio/Selene receives a [[Z-Ring]] at the festival inaugurating their [[island challenge]], consisting of seven trials and four grand trials in order to become the island challenge champion. Along the journey, they encounter a group called [[Team Skull]], whose members are misfits who failed the island challenge and aim to cause trouble, as well as another group called the [[Aether Foundation]], whose goal is to cure hurt Pokémon. After defeating the leader of Team Skull, [[Guzma]], at the [[Shady House]], Elio/Selene travel to [[Aether Paradise]], where they battle [[Lusamine]], the president of the Aether Foundation. Lusamine opens [[Ultra Wormhole]]s across Alola and enters one with Guzma. Elio/Selene and Lillie evolve [[Nebby]] into {{p|Solgaleo}}{{sup/7|S}}/{{p|Lunala}}{{sup/7|M}} at the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|S}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|M}} and travel into [[Ultra Space]], where Elio/Selene battles Lusamine again and bring her and Guzma back to Alola. Elio/Selene catches Solgaleo{{sup/7|S}}/Lunala{{sup/7|M}} after Lillie tells it that she isn't a Trainer. Elio/Selene climbs [[Mount Lanakila]] to its summit, the newly opened {{al|Pokémon League}}, where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Professor Kukui]], becoming the first {{pkmn|Champion}} of Alola. A festival is held in [[Iki Town]], and Lillie brings Elio/Selene to the [[Ruins of Conflict]] to battle {{p|Tapu Koko}}. The next day, Lillie leaves for Kanto to help her mother. The International Police contact Elio/Selene to investigate and catch the [[Ultra Beast]]s unleashed across Alola.
* The events of {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}:
** Events proceed similarly to the above, but Lusamine now seeks to aid the [[Ultra Recon Squad]] in stopping {{P|Necrozma}}. When Elio/Selene and Lillie reach the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|US}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|UM}}, they discover that Lusamine and Guzma have been defeated and Necrozma fuses with Nebby to become Dusk Mane Necrozma{{sup/7|US}}Dawn Wings Necrozma{{sup/7|UM}}. It is repelled, and Elio/Selene pursues it into [[Ultra Megalopolis]], where they find it has become Ultra Necrozma. Despite its incredible power, Ultra Necrozma is defeated and Nebby is freed from Necrozma's influence. Sometime after Elio/Selene becomes the Champion, the Aether Foundation is attacked by [[Team Rainbow Rocket]], which seeks to use the Aether Foundation's research to further their goals of multiversal conquest.

'''Between [[Generation VII]] and [[Generation VIII]]''':
* Research notes of {{p|Type: Null}} are stolen.<ref>Pokédex from Sword: ''Rumor has it that the theft of top-secret research notes led to a new instance of this Pokémon being created in the [[Galar]] region.''</ref>

'''Some time after [[Generation VII]] ([[Generation VIII]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Sword and Shield}} and its [[Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass|Expansion Pass]]:
** {{ga|Victor}}/{{ga|Gloria}} and [[Hop]] receive their [[starter Pokémon]] from [[Leon]], the undefeated {{pkmn|Champion}}, and meet a mysterious {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the [[Slumbering Weald]]. The two receive [[Pokédex]]es from [[Sonia]], [[Dynamax Band]]s from [[Professor Magnolia]], and [[endorsement]]s from Leon to enter the [[Galar League|Gym Challenge]]. They head on an adventure traveling across Galar challenging [[Gym]]s in order to earn eight [[Badge]]s to enter the Champion Cup. Over the course of their {{pkmn|journey}}, they encounter a group called [[Team Yell]], whose members support [[Marnie]] in the Gym Challenge. They also encounter another group called [[Macro Cosmos]], a conglomerate led by [[Rose]], who has endorsed his ward [[Bede]] in the Gym Challenge. During the Champion Cup in [[Wyndon Stadium]], Rose interrupts the Championship Match by reawakening {{p|Eternatus}} and bringing about the [[Darkest Day]] in an attempt to provide energy for the Galar region in 1,000 years. Victor/Gloria and Hop find a [[Rusted Sword]] and [[Rusted Shield]] and head to the [[Energy Plant]] in [[Hammerlocke]], where they battle Rose and summon {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}. After defeating it, Victor/Gloria manages to catch Eternatus and returns to [[Wyndon]] to defeat Leon in the Championship Match, becoming the new Champion of Galar.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Isle of Armor]], where they meet a new rival, [[Klara]]{{sup/8|Sw}}/[[Avery]]{{sup/8|Sh}}, and are taken under the wing of former Champion [[Mustard]] as a student of [[Master Dojo|his dojo]]. Victor/Gloria competes in a series of trials with their new rival, eventually defeating them in a final battle, earning them the right to inheirit the Dojo's "secret armor", the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Kubfu}}. After [[Friendship|bonding]] with each other, Victor/Gloria and Kubfu challenge one of the [[Towers of Two Fists]], culminating in a battle against Mustard and his own Kubfu. Victor/Gloria is successful, and Kubfu learns the secret of the tower, allowing it to [[Evolution|evolve]] into {{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Urshifu|Single Strike Style or Rapid Strike Style}} {{p|Urshifu}}.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Crown Tundra]], where they meet the retired [[Gym Leader]] [[Peony]], who recruits them as the leader of his exploration team, and tasks them with investigating three mysteries surrounding the tundra. In the [[Legendary Clue 1|first mystery]], Victor/Gloria meets {{p|Calyrex}}, the former king of the Crown Tundra, and helps it reunite with its steed, {{p|Glastrier}} or {{p|Spectrier}}. In the [[Legendary Clue 2|second mystery]], they investigate ruins scattered around the tundra, encountering and [[caught Pokémon|catching]] the [[Legendary titans]]. In the [[Legendary Clue 3|third mystery]], Victor/Gloria pursues and catches the {{rf|Galarian}} [[legendary birds]] across Galar. Upon solving these mysteries, Victor/Gloria finds a note describing a [[Legendary Clue?|fourth mystery]] that Peony does not recall writing. Upon bringing it to the [[Max Lair]], Victor/Gloria learns about [[Ultra Beast]]s and {{p|Necrozma}}, and is eventually able to catch Necrozma in a [[Dynamax Adventure]].
** After becoming Champion, Victor/Gloria and Hop stop the plans of [[Sordward]] and [[Shielbert]], who cause chaos around the region in their misguided attempt to restore the Galarian monarchy. In the process, Victor/Gloria catches one of the two Legendary Pokémon of Galar, and Hop sets out to be a [[Pokémon Professor]].
** After resolving the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, Victor/Gloria returns to the Master Dojo, where they find Hop conducting research on [[Sonia]]'s behalf. Mustard tells them that Urshifu hates the taste of {{DL|Master Dojo|Max Soup}}, so, in order for it to unlock its [[Gigantamax]] potential, a special ingredient is needed to make it drink the Max Soup. He doesn't reveal what this ingredient is, though, and leaves it to the duo to figure it out on their own. After a few bad guesses, Victor/Gloria and Hop travel to [[Honeycalm Island]], where Victor/Gloria gets thrust into a [[Max Raid Battle]] against a [[Dynamax]] {{p|Vespiquen}}. After defeating it, they find the missing ingredient: [[Max Honey]]. Upon returning to the dojo, Mustard informs Victor/Gloria that he wants to battle them in a no-holds-barred battle, where he uses his full power. In the battle, Mustard uses his own Gigantamax Urshifu. After being defeated, Mustard declares that he has nothing more to teach Victor/Gloria.
** After the events of the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, [[The Isle of Armor]], and [[The Crown Tundra]], Victor/Gloria receives a call on their [[Rotom Phone]] from Leon, who invites them and many other strong [[Pokémon Trainer]]s from Galar to a new type of competition called the [[Galarian Star Tournament]] (in which Trainers form duos and compete in [[Multi Battle]]s) at [[Wyndon Stadium]]. Victor/Gloria partners with [[Hop]] or [[Marnie]] in the inaugural tournament, and emerges victorious after defeating Leon and [[Raihan]] (if their partner is Hop) or Raihan and [[Piers]] (if their partner is Marnie) in the finals, after which Leon announces that further Galarian Star Tournaments will occur.

'''Some time after [[Generation VIII]] ([[Generation IX]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Scarlet and Violet}}.

==Trivia==
* The chronology of the {{pkmn|games}} was confirmed by [[Toshinobu Matsumiya]] on Twitter in May 2014, but the tweet was deleted shortly after.<ref>[http://archive.today/D9iPz archive.today] (archived from [https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 the original])</ref> No further comments on the tweet or its deletion have been made by [[Game Freak]] staff members.
* In {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and {{g|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}, the existence of [[Pokémon multiverse|multiple alternate universes]] is revealed.

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Talk:Ash Ketchum

2022-12-24T22:24:59Z

IsaacBoi123: added title

<big><big><big>ASH WAS CONFIRMED 10 YEARS OF AGE IN THE FIRST EPISODE OF THE BEST WISHES SERIES, IN THE SUN & MOON SERIES CHARACTER PROFILES, AND IN THE JOURNEYS SERIES CHARACTER PROFILES. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE POSTS QUESTIONING HIS AGE.</big></big></big>

== Previous discussions ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
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== Rotom Pokédex in "Unofficial" Segment ==

The Rotom Pokédex qualifies under that category and travels alongside Ash and his buddies. Should it be included? If so, the template will need a minor adjustment for this to work. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 03:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:I'm all for its inclusion. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

== Ash staying 10years old ==

The convention in Delaware with the original voice actor of Jessie when asked Ash's age said he was still 10 because the show is an evergreen show.--Pokemonfansuper 13:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== In the games section ==
Should we have a section of Ash's appearances in the games? He's appeared in Puzzle League and implied to be the writer of the letter at the beginning of the Sun and Moon demo. He's also present in all the SEGA Pico games, and there are event Pokémon based on his Pokémon (like Ash's Pikachu back in Generation IV and now Ash-Greninja). [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 08:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

: I was about to ask the same question before I saw it had been asked already, so I wanna draw attention to it again because I agree. [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 13:47, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== Taking Care Of segment for Pokémon Egg ==

Since both he and Lillie were tasked with watching over the Pokémon Egg, it should be noted on both of their pages. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 18:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

== Poke Ride ==

Why don't we add the Poke ride Pokémon that Ash uses? I had added Sharpedo, Tauros and Lapras but they removed? Why should Poke Ride be listed on Kiawe'd page but not Ash's? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 17:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:Everything that Ash uses or interacts with in any way should not (IMO) be notable. He rides Poke Ride Pokemon. So? That's what they're there for, he doesn't own them or anything significant. I really think random Poke Ride Pokemon should be removed from others' pages too, but I removed them here in particular because Ash just has so many Pokemon listed, and these ones really didn't deserve it (again, IMO). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

But he actually using them in the series as Kiawe have Pokemon to ride at school as it shown own his page. He doesn't own the Taurus from the Pokemon school or the wailmer. If I'm correct, dose that mean Ash on his article should have those Pokemon own his article. Ash shown to use few Pokemon that aren't in the game to ride on such as Wailmer and pelipper. Should we add those Pokemon it seems important for the series articles. --[[User:DragoAlex|DragoAlex]] ([[User talk:DragoAlex|talk]]) 19:29, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

== Split suggestion ==

I propose that we split off the lists of Ash's Pokémon into a secondary article, which could be titled "Ash Ketchum's Pokémon," "Ash's Pokémon," "Ash Ketchum/Pokémon," or anything similar. By my count, the anime list alone takes up a full quarter of this page's ridiculous size (25k of ~100k bytes). In my opinion, this page should keep whatever Ash has in his party or in rotation, since that's what's relevant to the current anime, and everything else would be visible on the secondary page without cluttering up this main page. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:I think it's the temporary Pokémon section that's taking up the most space and should be split off the page. We do have a [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio]], so we can do the same for Ash's temporary Pokémon. However, everything else is too important to place elsewhere.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:46, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
:: I second Force Fire's suggestion! [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I've [[User:Force Fire/List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum|started a page]], feel free to edit it and make suggestions.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:44, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::I'm also with ForceFire. And what do you think about putting together released, traded away, given away and unofficial Pokemon to "lost Pokemon"?--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 15:09, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
:::I agree with Pumpkinking0192 as in we should split the page, the anime isn't likely to stop soon and Ash is bound to get more pokemon as time goes on Though I do believe that there should be a page with pokemon that reside at Oak's laboratory and a section for Ash's pokemon and one for Gary's (if there are any known) and have this page link to it instead of listing all pokemon that Oak is keeping for Ash. If we don't split the page eventually it'll take an hour to quickly scroll to the bottom and yes I realize that at the top there are links to send you to the area you want quickly but there are also people in this world who dislike using those links. {{unsigned|Pokegail|20:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)}}
::I also second {{U|Force Fire}}. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Wouldn't it be better if all the Pokemon out of rotation were added to that page too? Considering Ash has caught so many Pokemon, the page will fill up quickly, and even after removing the temporary Pokemon, this page will still be big enough to cause problems. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTe]][[Special:Contribs/PikaTepig999|pig999]] 05:22, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

== Picture ==

First off I realized that Pikachu was edited in Ash's picture when in reality he should be alone like this: http://www.pokebeach.com/news/1016/Ash-Pikachu-Sun-Moon-Anime.jpg
Can someone remove pikachu from the picture?

Also for when the 20th movie comes out should we change his picture to his movie appearance? {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}
:The image will not be replaced, because the movie is a standalone thing, whereas his current outfit will go on for a while after the movie airs, so there's no point in changing it for the movie and then changing it back afterwards when the next Sun and Moon episode airs. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 13:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

== Ash's Xy section ==

Don't you think there's a bit too much on Ash's xy section? I think it's a bit too long and detailed to the point where it spoils important parts of episodes or just that it has minor unnecessarily parts. I feel like it is like this with characters like Bonnie, Serena and xy in general {{unsigned|Mowahib}}
:Obviously so. I've been planning to make heavy, heavy trims once I've watched all of XY, but that may not happen for awhile. In the meantime, you're welcome to do it yourself. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

==Sun and Moon Ash Statement==
A friend brought this up to me earlier today and it has an official comment from the sound director on Twitter. So... uh... I'm going to mention this. http://satoshipediaeng.altervista.org/sun-moon-is-not-continuation-of-xyz-the-main-characters-are-completely-new-ash-and-pikachu/ [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 16:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:That article doesn't make a lot of sense and seems like overly agitated ramblings. It's much, much more likely that the tweet is simply misinterpreted: "not a continuation of XYZ" just means that it's a new season, just like Best Wishes could be seen as "not a continuation of DP" and XY as "not a continuation of Best Wishes". And "a completely new Satoshi and Pikachu" is patently ridiculous to take literally; it's probably referring to his character design, or else is a metaphor for, again, starting fresh with a new season.
:Let me ask you this: if Sun & Moon Ash were really a new character who's not the same as Ash from previous seasons, then how would he have been able to refer to [[Ash's Tauros|his Tauros]] in [[SM001]]? It's that simple. It's the same Ash as ever, period. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:: The phrasing is up for interpretation, they could've meant it's not a continuation of XYZ in tone (which sound is a huge part of), since XYZ was of course much darker and intense than SM is, and that Ash is different to his XYZ version because he's more lax than semi-serious as he was in XYZ. I think if it was an entirely different reality they would've made a much bigger deal about it [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 16:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::: I'm simply bringing this up is all. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 17:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::: While I'm (sadly) leaning towards this being possible (consider the 20th movie being a drastically altered retelling of the first few episodes, and that reboots in general are for some reason huge in the entertainment industry right now), the article also argues that the Best Wishes series is a separate continuity, which is definitely untrue. [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 20:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: Since the tweet also contains pencil artwork of the SM series, I think the director is most likely referring to the new art style. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 20:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

==Higher Quality Sun and Moon character artwork==
I just found character artwork for the Sun and Moon series in a larger and higher quality. They are found on the Gulli (French TV channel) website. It also includes Ash without Pikachu.
http://resize3-gulli.ladmedia.fr/img//var/jeunesse/storage/images/gulli/chaine-tv/dessins-animes/pokemon/dresseurs/sacha/26571585-3-fre-FR/Sacha.jpg

Here's the link to the artwork: http://www.gulli.fr/Chaine-TV/Dessins-animes/Pokemon/Dresseurs
([[User:Pansagetrent9|Pansagetrent9]] ([[User talk:Pansagetrent9|talk]]) 15:43, 16 July 2017 (UTC))

: Hey, this also includes high-quality artwork for most of the SM cast, nice!
:The pictures have artifacts and the colors are a bit off, but I'll try to clean them up and upload them later. Thanks for the info! --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 02:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Possible M20 split? ==

Unlike the other movies, M20 is not filler. It's been said to take place in a different dimension than the main series. In other words, M20!Ash=/=MS!Ash. Should we split the page, so that all the information concerning M20!Ash does not contradict the main page. Another reason is that the two characters lived different lives, had different outfits, different companions, etc. We would no place to write the exploits of M20!Ash. It could be like what the wiki did when separating EToP!Ash from the main Ash page. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 19:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

:I've started a [[User:TheFatPanda/Ash Ketchum (M20)|page for the other Ash]] within my user page, if anybody wants to expand upon and use it? [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 13:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

==Poké Ride Stoutland picture==

I removed he that picture for Poké Ride Stouland https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SM032.png because it was updated and now don't fit for that space. I actually don't have permission for reverting or upload files. Can someone put this file instead [https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/archive/2/2c/20170731022036%21SM032.png] [[User:TossedDwarf5019|TossedDwarf5019]] ([[User talk:TossedDwarf5019|talk]]) 16:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

:Done. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 15:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

::Thank you! [[User:TossedDwarf5019|TossedDwarf5019]] ([[User talk:TossedDwarf5019|talk]]) 18:54, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Ash Kalos Full Party ==

May i have the previous photo from Kalos Full Party to save for myself please? Didn´t thought you guys would remove.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 13:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
:Right here [[:File:Ash Kalos Team.png]] --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 13:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Split ==

I disagree with splitting Ash's Pokémon from this page. I think listing them here is important. Most of his Pokémon are only links to their own pages, so don't take up much space anyway.

However, I do think it would be a good idea to split "Ash's temporary Pokémon" to a separate page, much like [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio]]. They do take up a lot of space, and don't have much relevance to Ash as a character. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:49, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
:I do believe that's [[#Split suggestion|the consensus that was reached above]], in case the reason you're making a new section is that you didn't see that one. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ash's Buzzwole ==

It's currently listed under "Temporary pokémon", but it's the only pokémon in this category at the moment that Ash actually caught in a pokéball. Since Ash actually caught and then released Buzzwole it should be moved up to "Released Pokémon". The description of "Temporary pokémon" does not fit as Buzzwole is neither a wild pokémon Ash teamed up with nor belongs to another trainer. There's precedence for this in Beedrill, which Ash also actually caught in a pokéball, which is now in its own category above the one for "temporary pokémon". [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] ([[User talk:Mijzelffan|talk]]) 12:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

: I agree with this. Only major thing we'll have to do is make a page for Buzzwole. [[User:Super10ZX|Super10ZX]] ([[User talk:Super10ZX|talk]]) 13:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

: I think that case is the same of Seaking, catching in Johto. Ash doesn't use Buzzwole like the others Pokémon, just catch it. --[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 13:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

::Seaking has less going for it than Buzzwole. Seaking is caught as part of a game which has the rules to be released after, similarly to something like the [[Battle Bingo]]. It's even caught in an anime-only Lake Ball which seems to have a 100% catch rate and might not be an actual pokéball. No such arguments can be made for the Buzzwole however, which was caught as an ordinary wild pokémon in a legitimate pokéball. After catching it Ash even does his traditional "caught a pokémon" pose. [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] ([[User talk:Mijzelffan|talk]]) 13:59, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Seaking was caught as part of a [[Seaking Catching Day|structured competition]] that requires Trainers to release their Seaking back into the Seaking's natural habitat afterward; Buzzwole is caught as part of a [[Ultra Guardians|structured team effort]] that requires members to release Ultra Beasts back into [[Ultra Space|the UBs' natural habitat]] afterward. I feel like they're much more similar than you're giving them credit for. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, similar question. Why is Charjabug in Temporary section if it was caught and by the same episode gave to someone else like Beedrill?--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 15:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:He never actually caught Charjabug in a Pokéball so it wouldn't count.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

== Catching Poipole ==

Is it safe to say Ash will catch Poipole as his 5th Pokemon judging by the Intro Japanese Future Connection? like opening animation spoilers the capture of poipole
--[[User:Feelitstill23|Use Brave Bird]] ([[User talk:Feelitstill23|talk]]) 16:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)Feelitstill23
:Sadly Bulbapedia isn't for speculation and won't be added until the episode Ash catches Poipole, assuming he does airs.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

== SM055 ==

This paragraph was removed under the reasoning that Ash was not heavily focused on in [[SM055]].

: In ''[[SM055|The Professors' New Adventure!]]'', Nebby disappeared, leaving Ash feeling sorry for not able to thank it for its help. Later, Ash discovered that Professor Kukui and [[Professor Burnet]] had decided to get married. After learning they weren't planning to have a wedding, Ash and his classmates arranged a surprise wedding ceremony, with Ash acting as the ring bearer. During the reception, Lusamine, [[Wicke]] and Faba approached Ash and his friends, with Faba apologizing for his earlier actions. The three then invited Ash and his classmates to join an Ultra Beast response unit called the [[Ultra Guardians]], which they all agreed to. By the end of the ceremony, Ash saw Nebby flying through the sky and thanked it before Nebby disappeared.

I would disagree considering that joining the Ultra Guardians was a major plot point and lead-in to future episodes, and the Pokémon School students are directly involved in organising the wedding ceremony (in Ash's case, including waking up Professor Kukui and being the ring bearer). Also the Legendary Pokémon Ash was gifted by the Island Guardians for ten episodes (who helped with the rescue of Lusamine) leaving does seem pretty major regarding Ash and Nebby to me (that's not me saying to include EVERY capture, evolution, departure and hatching across the various regions in Ash's history section though). [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 23:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:It's important to note that some pages, particularly Ash's here, can get very big very easily. The history should probably be pretty broad strokes. Take a look at the Advanced Generation section: that hardly references any specific episodes, and (...without being involved in the anime much) IMO that's probably a good idea for the whole history section. (DP and BW look alright too perhaps. OS, XY, and SM can probably use greater or lesser amounts of cleaning up or compressing.)
:Just glancing at what's above, I'd say that in particular the wedding may not be that important. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:: I do in broad terms understand being more sparing with space and compressing when a character is around for over 5 years, never mind 20 like Ash. Although I'm not 100% sure about outright being vague with citing episodes, especially when the individual series span over a hundred episodes (or at least 3 seasons) each. At a minimum, I'd feel like mentioning "after badge X" or "after town Y" or "the Z league" and put in a more chronological order than I've seen ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&type=revision&diff=2766416&oldid=2766415 for instance, this bit correcting how in XY, Ash's travels with Korrina come BEFORE the Summer Camp]).
:: Specifically regarding the events of the episode, though, I still defend what I said about Ash, Nebby and the Ultra Guardians for the reasons I already said, even if I get just for space reasons we don't need to blow-by-blow mention everything that's plot related from ''[[S21|Ultra Adventures]]'' (though off the top of my head, I think that would depend heavily on the anime character's page). [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 01:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::: Maybe my issue is I just have a vague distinction in my head between compressing/simplifying/making something less run-on vs. burning it all down. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 01:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't encourage "After X/Y/Z" one after another either, this isn't a grade schooler's report on how to make peanut butter and jelly. This should be a well considered, encyclopedic summary. The AG section really is a ''good'' overview. It reads very well.
::::The current SM section practically comes off more as a journal, with an episode title starting basically every paragraph. I understand that it may seem difficult since that's ongoing. It's still subpar; not what we should really want. ...Or, heck, I could be half wrong. Maybe we could try to only have a broad strokes overview of most of the previous/current episodes, but—as it is the ongoing season—perhaps we could try to go into some more specific detail for the latest significant episode (such as, say, Ultra Guardians); but even that should remain as limited as possible, not letting half a dozen episodes' worth of specifics build up at the end of the section. (...I'm not demanding that the SM section change. I'm not part of the anime enough to keep that in check all the time. I'm just emphasizing that there are better things we could do—or will need to do once the series is over, at the very least.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: Been thinking about this, and I think while I understand the way the paragraph beginnings look may not be ideal or sufficiently encyclopedic, I'm not hugely in favour of them being unsourced in any way either (or only sourced as far as "in the {{series|Advanced Generation}}" and so forth, even though the anime more often than not changes regions long-term within the same series). Whether this is on Ash in SM or in already-completed series. I just took "in [episode whatever]" thing as a kind of inelegant stopgap. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 11:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Kind of want to hear more opinions in the community before making any decision (I've been editing here a month, and Tiddlywinks by their own admission isn't involved much with anime characters). But for now, on this page I'm going to hold off additional "in [episode]" stuff when adding or changing info until I have a better idea for what's...par, I guess? [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 19:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
:I would agree with Tiddlywinks on this one. Given Ash is the main protagonist of the whole anime and we will be following him for years to come, our criteria for episode plot inclusion should naturally be much more stricter. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

==SM061==
Why aren't we counting Buzzwole as a fully owned Ash Pokemon? it's with the ones like Pokemon he borrowed and yet he clearly caught it so why don't we have a page with "Ash's Buzzwole". Sure he only had it for 7 seconds but a catch is a catch and I think it should be under released and have a profile of its own. He got a Pokeball, threw it at the Pokemon and caught it. He even did his, I CAUGHT A POKEMON! putting it with random Pokes he's borrowed or made friends with is misleading IMO because he literally caught it[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 03:04, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
:The same reason Seaking is under temporary and not released, he had it for less than an episode. It's not notable for its own article, regardless of it being an Ultra Beast. There's literally nothing more you can add if it were given an article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
::I don't care too much about the article but more about the placement of the Pokemon on his page.[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 05:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
:::The entire purpose of the Ultra Guardians is to catch and release Ultra Beasts back to their homeworlds. It was caught by Ash for the Ultra Guardians, not as a new addition to his personal team. It's not his Pokemon nor was it ever meant to be his, so there's no real reason to treat it as such. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 10:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

== Released Pokemon ==

As an Ultra Guardian, Ash has caught many ultra beasts that were afterwards released. Why are they not recorded in his released Pokémon section? {{unsigned|Elite4Alola}}
:Read Ataro's comment in the above section. The releasing of Ultra Beasts is not the same as Ash releasing his other Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

== Z-Crystals ==

Sorry if this was answered before, I don't see it. But why was the decision to favor "Trials" over "Z-crystals" made. I find it absolutely troubling that NOT all of Ash's Z-Crystals are listed simply because Grand Trials and Trials somehow take precedence. Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on Z-crystals in this case OVER trials/grand trials since the Z-crystals are more important from a wikipedia/encyclopedia perspective (at least in my opinion). Granted maybe its simply because the section was about "challenges/tournaments/whatever you want to call them" and that's why. But I definitely don't understand the reasoning behind not putting ALL of Ash's Z-crystals on the page in some fashion. Seems incomplete and inaccurate to me. But that's just my opinion, I primarily just want an explanation for why all the Z-crystals aren't listed only focusing on the ones Ash got from trials/grand trials. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] ([[User talk:Dman dustin|talk]]) 18:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

== Artwork ==

Shouldn't we add the image of Ash from [[New series]] in the artwork section? {{unsigned|Yash Sonbhurra}}
:We will eventually, there's uncertainty whether this is normal Anime Ash or Movie Reboot Ash. And please remember to end comments with four tildes (~) [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 13:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::Understood most but the movie reboot part. Can you please define? --> [[User:Yash Sonbhurra|『★¥♠§H♂』]] ''([[User talk:Yash Sonbhurra|『†@!K™』]])'' 13:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::: Movies 20 and 21 do not follow the same Ash as the anime, they follow an AU Ash. There's uncertainty because artwork and font is similar to Movie 21 [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 14:42, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::::For reference, [[Ash Ketchum (M20)]]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:37, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

== Fan speculation ==

Can someone lock the article so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it? This is due to speculation crackdown. --[[User:TheICTLiker4|'''TheICT''']][[User talk:TheICTLiker4|'''Liker''']][[Special:Contributions/TheICTLiker4|'''4''']] 17:03, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
:If it becomes a problem, then it will be protected. It doesn't need to be protected yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
::I think the protection level should be this:
{| class="wikitable"
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! Action !! Protection level !! Expiry date
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| Edit || Block new users || infinite
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| Move || colspan=2 | ''no change''
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::So, did you understand well? --[[User:TheICTLiker4|'''TheICT''']][[User talk:TheICTLiker4|'''Liker''']][[Special:Contributions/TheICTLiker4|'''4''']] 12:11, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:::Like I said, there's '''no need''' to protect the page. There is '''no''' problem.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:38, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
::::Why are you insisting the article needs to be protected? Nothing's happened so far that would warrant this. Are you just saying it needs to be done as a precaution? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

==Changing Ash's design==
I have tried to update ash's picture to his current design but something went wrong. Can someone fix this? {{unsigned|Dan333}}

:Don't do that yet. The {{series|Sun & Moon}} hasn't ended yet. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

==Orange League==
Why isn't he listed as Champion of the Orange League any more?[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 03:31, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

:Not sure, to be honest. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:54, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
::The template should be updated to allow multiple champion listings.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 08:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

== Goodra not technically released... ==

Goodra should be added to "In training" since it was left in the care of another person like Squirtle and Primeape, and Ash has shown the ability to recall Goodra when he wants to.

[[User:Panky..|Panky..]] ([[User talk:Panky..|talk]]) 12:36, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
:This has been [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6#Why|discussed before]]. Goodra isn't under the care of anyone. Keanan is not the same situation as Anthony, Jenny, or Liza, where those Pokemon joined those trainers to become stronger (hence, In ''training''), Goodra just went back to its home which just happens to be owned by Keanan.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:55, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
::However, Ash still has its pokeball as shown in Sun and Moon Episode 1. [[User:Paree24|Paree24]] ([[User talk:Paree24|talk]]) 06:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

==Seaking==
[[File:Ash Pokémon Heisei Recap.png|thumb|250px]]
Now that Mimey seems to be considered a Pokémon Ash formally owned/owns, should Seaking be moved from the 'Temporary' section to the 'Released' section? Just like Mimey, it is also included in the ''Heisei History of Pocket Monsters: From Tuesday to Thursday, and Then Sunday'' special, alongside Ash's other Pokémon. Based on the list Seaking is considered to have been one of Ash's Pokémon, rather than just a temporary one. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 15:52, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

== Ash's Pokemon Section: Are Greninja, Goodra and Naganadel "Formally Released"? ==

This article mentions Goodra, Greninja and Naganadel as "Formally Released Back Into the Wild".

However,

We never see the release animation like we saw with Butterfree, Pidgeot and Lapras

Both Goodra and Greninja were outside their pokeball when they parted ways

Goodra is literally under the care of the person who is in charge of the swamp

When Ash leaves Greninja with Zygarde, Zygarde says "Greninja will be under my care".

Goodra has comeback after being left in the swamp (like Gliscor and Charizard), it was never recaught.

In the first episode of Sun and Moon, Ash gives 5 pokeballs to oak implying that Ash still owns both Goodra and Greninja

When Naganadel comes back, Ash recalls it to its beast ball instead of recatching it. [Implying he never released it]

But, as we know, Once the Pokémon is released, it is removed from the player's possession and cannot be encountered again.

So stating that Ash has "Formally Released" them back into the wild is not true.

Here is what i think:
Goodra: Should be under the care of Keanan
Greninja: With Zygarde
Naganadel: Its World

They aren't formally released as long as these evidences are not invalidated. {{unsigned|Paree24}}
:The anime constantly changes over the years and the release animation of before is not going to be the same as it is now. And they are also known not to be consistent and forget things.
:And? Doesn't mean they're not released. They could've been released off screen and departed on screen.
:Keagan owns the swamp but is not looking after Goodra. Goodra just went home, it didn't go to Keagan to get stronger. Same with Greninja.
:Games=/=anime. Who says he needs to recatch it if he's already created a close bond with the Pokemon? And who's to say he needs to dispose of the Pokemon's Poke Ball after he's released it? It's all speculation. And Ash has met up with Lapras, so yes, a released Pokemon in the anime can be encountered again. Because the anime is not the game. It has its own rules.
:All three Pokemon returned (or were released) to the wild, they are not being cared for by another trainer.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
::If That is the case, why does the article say "Formally Released Back to the wild" and proceeds to link to a page which defines releasing as per the game definition? Isn't it contradicting what you said? Also Squirtle didn't go to train with Jenny/Make it more stronger, why is it in the training list if thats the case? Both Goodra and Squirtle can be called upon when needed and we have seen it in the anime. Also Squirtle was last seen in Oak's lab with the Squirtle Squad and Jenny wasn't even there/mentioned so how is Goodra different from Squirtle?
::Also by the definition of released according to the linked article, it can be caught by another trainer which is totally not the case if ash still owns them but left them somewhere. So, technically, Butterfree can be caught by another trainer but Greninja/Goodra/Naganadel cannot be since he still owns them. Releasing them offscreen is a speculation and is not fact. Infact the whole Greninja release(in care of zygarde and not released imo) arc took place on screen and there was no involvement of either pokeball/release animation either. [[User:Paree24|Paree24]] ([[User talk:Paree24|talk]]) 09:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

== Ash's Dragonite and Mimey ==

I think that Ash's Dragonite and Mimey don't be in "On hand" section, because they are kept in the Sakuragi Institute, this information was confirmed in [[JN011|SS011]].--[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 21:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

== Ash's Gengar ==

I think that Ash's Gengar maybe is shiny due to they different color.--[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 21:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

== Pokemon World Championship ranks? ==

What do you think about adding Ash current Rank in the Pokemon World Championship in the main information section and add possible Rank Changes as a separate column in the Achievement section, with hyperlinks to Episodes in which his Rank changed (Similar to Badges/Frontier Symbols obtained),
e.g.
1.4.6. Pokemon World Championship
1.4.6.1 Normal Rank (< Top 1000)
#3763 - win against Visquez (SS018)

etc. {{unsigned|Lord Godwin}}
: I think that may cause a clutter, it may suit easier to show his End of Season rank once the series is done; badges are finite, rank is continually in flux [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:: At the very least Ash's current rank should be listed (presumably the information box like under trainer class or something listing his PWC rank), that is updated any time it actually updates and we have solid indication what the rank is. So right now somewhere it should say 3763 as of writing this. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] ([[User talk:Dman dustin|talk]]) 21:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:::It's probably fine to have it where it's at for now. If it gets too much, as in his rank changes every single episode (which I doubt), then we'll do something different.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

== Article split suggestion ==

It's been months since [[Talk:Ash_Ketchum#Split_suggestion|it was proposed and, seemingly, reached the consensus to]] split this page to exclude all temporary pokémon (including Ride ones), with [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] also starting an [[User:Force Fire/List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum|userpage]] which would be ready to be added into the Mainspace. My suggestion is to go further than that. Considering Ash is first and foremost an anime character, I think Ash's appearances in other media should be split into another article. I believe Ash is such an important character to deserve this split, and the navigability of the page would be much better.

So my idea is to have:
*Ash Ketchum (including all anime info – History, Character, Pokémon, Achievements, Voice Actors, Artwork and Trivia)
*List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum (info about Temporary and Ride pokémon, which really need to be split into another article)
*Ash Ketchum in other media (including the In the games, In the manga, in the TCG sections)

I think it's time we start to think about the user performance on such pages, as it became impossible to navigate through Ash's page. --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 15:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
:Also, [[Template:Ash's Pokémon]] is nearly unusable. Do we really need to include temporary and ride pokémon there if they don't have a personal page themselves? I would keep only the pokémon with separate pages and the ''Electric Tale'' only ones because of [[Ash's Fearow]] page.--[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 15:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
::I agree with the page split, as navigating his page is inconvenient. The template, on the other hand, doesn't really need changed.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
:::We can easily link the subpage on the bottom of the "Ash's Pokémon" once the page is split. We already do that for [[Template:Team Rocket's Pokémon|Team Rocket]]. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] ([[User talk:Chosen|Talk]]) 20:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Exactly, the template could look like below. How many contributions do we need to reach a consensus? Sorry, first time proposing a major change here. --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 13:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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:::::After some discussion with staff we decided to split off Ash's temporary/ride Pokemon, as well as his achievement section onto separate pages. I also edited the "Ash's Pokemon" template to remove the temporary/ride Pokémon to make the template less cumbersome on pages as well. The article is still pretty long, but that is partially just because he is such a massive character with a lot of information to cover, so that's kind of going to be expected. However, we can definitely help things by cutting down on unnecessary portions of his history/character sections by summarizing where we can and perhaps using less detail in some places. Thanks again bringing this issue back up again for renewed discussion! '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::Thank you! Glad I could be helpful. I still think the appearances in other medias could be split into another page too, as they're mostly trivial information. But right now it's already much better. --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 08:25, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
A suggestion that I think could be adopted, I saw in Marvel wikis mainly, the following: in the biography of a character like Captain America, a summary by decade and a link that went to a bigger page with the description of that time. Something like a page for Ash's journey in Kanto, Johto, Diamond & Pearl, Unova and co. It was going to help solve a good part of the said space problem. It only left the events that are constantly remembered (ex: Liga Kanto, the Ho-Oh incident, Gary Vs Ash, more or less) and that influence the canon of the character as a whole. Here:
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Steven_Rogers_(Earth-616)
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Steven_Rogers_(Earth-616)/Expanded_History
[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:35, 07 April 2020 (UTC)

== Researcher ==

Since both Ash and Goh present themselves as researchers today, is it not worth putting that in their Trainer Class and a paragraph talking more about it in his bio?-[[User:Hikaru Wazana |Hikaru Wazana ]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 17:14, 07 July 2020 (UTC)

== Ash's physical strength ==

It lists Larvitar and Hippopotas as heavy Pokémon he can lift, but what about Cosmoem, which weighs a whole metric ton, or 1000 kg (and is the heaviest Pokémon, tied with Celesteela)? Or did the writers just forget, not know, or disregard that Cosmoem's weight in the Dex is a metric ton? {{unsigned|ThighFish}}
:The article just lists examples, not an entire catalogue. The rest goes in the [[Anime physics]] article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== "Champion of Alola League" ==

Shouldn't it be listed as Manalo Conference, since Ash is not a champion in the game universe, while Ash is, indeed, the champion only of the Manalo Conference in the anime universe? — [[User:Rockapheller|Rockapheller]] ([[User talk:Rockapheller|talk page]]) 18:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
:He's the Champion of Alola, i.e. the Alola League. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
::Alola and Alola League are different, and Manalo Conference has never been referred to as Alola League if I am not mistaken? Even the link directs you to the game details while [[Manalo Conference]] remains unlinked on the template. Which seems off to me. — [[User:Rockapheller|Rockapheller]] ([[User talk:Rockapheller|talk page]]) 19:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
:::It's actually referred to as Alola League in the anime all the time. And League is more than just the League Conference. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
::::it also needs to list the orange league, hes the champion of two regions.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 07:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::But...it ''does''... [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
::::::no it doesnt, only alola. [https://i.imgur.com/YOsBmja.png screenshot]. [[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 03:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::::Oh. I thought you were talking about [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash_Ketchum#Championship_matches this section]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 09:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
::::::::nah. the infobox needs to be coded to allow two champion listings for ash. right now its only listing one... and its annoying that orange was switced with alola. we had orange listed for what, 15 years? *both* need to be there.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 09:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::That's something for the admins to figure out. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 10:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding Information/Details ==

Hey there! I am new to this site and just wanted to begin by saying how much I enjoy this site. Secondly I was wondering if I could edit this page by adding a bit more detail to it. I'll leave this as an example...please let me know what you think. This covers Ash's journey from when he acquires Pikachu to defeating Brock. Thank you for your time! Gotta Catch em All!

In Pokémon-I Choose You! Ash Ketchum, who lives in a small settlement called Pallet Town, is ten years old which means that he is able to pick a starter Pokémon and begin his journey as a Pokémon Trainer. As Ash sleep the night before he chooses his starter Pokémon, he accidently breaks his alarm clock which causes his to oversleep. Ash hurry’s to reach Professor Oak’s Laboratory, but discovers that all three starter Pokémon have already been chosen by other trainers. Ash asks Oak if he has any other Pokémon left and Oak tells him that he does have one other Pokémon but it is very unusual. Ash tells Oak that he’ll take the Pokémon which is revealed to be the electric-type Pokémon, Pikachu. Ash tries to give his new starter Pokémon a hug, but receives a massive electric shock. As Ash begins his journey, he has to drag Pikachu around with a leash because he refuses to go inside his Pokéball and doesn’t like him at all. Ash releases Pikachu from his leash, but discovers that Pikachu’s attitude hasn’t changed when he commands Pikachu to battle a Pidgey and Pikachu refuses to do so. In frustration Ash throws a rock at what turns out to be Spearow that ends up attacking Ash and Pikachu. Pikachu uses a thunder shock on the Spearow which cause it to cry out, causing a large flock of Spearow to attack Ash and Pikachu. Ash and Pikachu decide to make a run for it but the Spearow catch up to Pikachu and severely injure Pikachu. Ash picks up Pikachu and is forced to jump into a flowing river to escape the Spearow. Ash is on reeled in by a young girl named Misty and Ash “borrows’ her bike so that he can get Pikachu to a Pokémon Center, and because the Spearow have caught back up with him. As Ash pedals as fast as he can but he eventually crashes his bike, not wanting Pikachu to get hurt he tells him to get into a Pokéball and stands in front of the Spearow in order to protect his Pokémon. Seeing that Ash is willing to sacrifice himself to save him, Pikachu leaps into action to save Ash and uses a massive thunder shock attack to defeat the Spearow. It was at this point that Ash and Pikachu formed and extremely strong bond and an unbreakable friendship.

In Pokémon Emergency! Ash arrives at the Pokémon Center in Viridian City and has his Pikachu healed. While waiting for his Pikachu to recover, Misty finds Ash and demands that he get her a new bike after hers was destroyed by Ash. As both of them continue to wait for Pikachu’s recovery the Pokémon Center is attacked by Jessie, James, and a talking Meowth who are part of a criminal organization that steals Pokémon called Team Rocket. Team Rocket is defeated when Pikachu recovers and both he and Ash send Team Rocket blasting off and, after seeing Pikachu’s power, they make it their primary objective to steal him. Ash starts making his way to Pewter City and is followed by Misty, who decides to follow Ash until he gets her a new bike.

In Ash Catches a Pokémon Ash catches his very first Pokémon, a Caterpie. Not long after catching Caterpie Ash also manages to catch a Pidgeotto. Ash’s Caterpie quickly evolves into a Metapod and in Challenge of the Samurai he evolves into a Butterfree.

In Showdown in Pewter City Ash, Misty, and Pikachu arrive at the Pewter City Pokémon Center where Ash notices a poster promoting a tournament called the Pokémon League Championship and decides to join. However, Misty points out that before he can enter he need to defeat eight Pokémon Gym Leaders and earn a Gym Badge from each as proof of his victory. Ash goes to the Pewter City Gym and challenges its Gym Leader, Brock, to a Pokémon battle.

Ash begins the match with Pikachu while Brock starts off with Onix. Pikachu is quickly defeated when Onix uses a bind attack, and Ash forfeits the match when he sees Pikachu in pain. As Ash leaves the gym, he is approached by a man named Flint who tells him that he may be able to defeat Brock if he super-charges his Pikachu. Flint leads Ash to a hydroelectric plant, where Flint hooks up a generator to the electric sacs in Pikachu’s cheeks. Ash runs on the large water wheel to generate electricity until the generator overloads and Pikachu’s electricity lights up the night sky.

The next day, Ash returns to the Pewter City Gym and challenges Brock to a rematch. Brock starts off with Geodude, while Ash sends out Pidgeotto. However, the normal and flying-type Pokémon cannot hurt Geodude, and is knocked out. Ash recalls it and sends out Pikachu.

Ash has Pikachu perform a thunder shock attack, which easily knocks out Geodude. Brock recalls his Geodude and sends out Onix. Pikachu once again performs a thunder shock attack, but due to him being afraid he doesn’t aim his attack and damages the gym instead of Onix. Onix wraps Pikachu with its bind attack and Pikachu counters with his new thunderbolt attack, which manages to inflict pain on Onix. As Pikachu is on the verge of passing out, Brock calls of his Onix as he doesn’t want to harm Ash’s Pikachu. However, Ash protests this decision, as he wants to finish the battle. Suddenly, the gym’s sprinklers are set off due to the damage Pikachu’s thunder shock had caused earlier. As water sprays over Onix, Misty reminds Ash that rock-type Pokémon are weak against water. Seizing the opportunity, Ash has Pikachu perform a thunderbolt attack, which brings Onix one attack away from defeat. Ash was about to command Pikachu to finish Onix off, but Brock's brothers and sisters all crowd Ash and beg him to stop. Brock orders his siblings to not get involved, but Ash recalls his Pikachu. Ash explains that if he defeated Brock now, it would only be because of the sprinklers being set off. He decides he wants to win his Badge fair and square. As Ash leaves the gym he is approached by Brock who hands him the Boulder Badge, stating that Ash defeated him in battle and in being kind to Pokémon. Brock asks Ash to fulfill his dream to travel the world, but Flint arrives and reveals himself to be Brock’s father. Flint tells Brock to travel with Ash and he will take care of his siblings, and Brock joins Ash on his journey. [[User:Getitdunn1991|Getitdunn1991]] ([[User talk:Getitdunn1991|talk]]) 02:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
:While we appreciate the effort, the issue with the main character pages especially is they start to get quite long (as evidenced already by this page) and a lot of the information is essentially already on the episode pages, so we try to only list significant events to the characters themselves on their pages, unlike Characters of the day who can afford to have more in depth information due to their single episode appearances. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 11:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

:Completely understandable! Just thought I'd offer. [[User:Getitdunn1991|Getitdunn1991]] ([[User talk:Getitdunn1991|talk]]) 14:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

== Pokémon Masters EX ==

Ash & Pikachu:
* Weakness: Ground
* Known moves (as I've seen): Electroweb, X Accuracy, Iron Tail, Thunderbolt, Quick Attack, and Dire Hit +
* Sync move: Sync Move (It just say "Sync Move")
[[User:ReignBough|ReignBough]] ([[User talk:ReignBough|talk]]) 02:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

== Page split by media ==

I've been noticing that this page is getting exaggeratedly huge. And with that I've been thinking, otherwise it would be better to share her content by media, and we left here essentially only what refers to the anime.

For example, instead of putting Ash's appearances in games, we could make a page where this information was present. For example, instead of putting Ash's appearances in games, we could make a page where this information was present. And within it, other links that would lead to the detailed pages of each counterpart.

To make it clearer, something like this here.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lane
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lane_in_other_media
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man#In_other_media

Since Bulbapedia uses the Wikipedia system more than Wikias in general, I think it's a more valid system to adopt. Ash's base page suffers a lot from the lack of pattern between some images (for example, the version of the Journeys manga doesn't have all the images of the Pokémon in this manga yet) and put it like this, we can work with each counterpart in an isolated way, it was even one of the reasons I created a page for Ash from the Pokémon Journeys Manga and I think both the Ash and Pikachu version and the Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl manga could benefit from that. Anyway, is there any opinion on this?--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 17:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC))

I mean the page is stupidly long, it'd be beneficial to split it up. [[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 00:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

== All of Ash's official Pokemon in ownership order ==

I've seen that Ash's Lapras is supposed to be his "thirteenth" official Pokémon, but I couldn't seem to find the "twelfth". Could somebody please give me a full list in release order? [[User:MrWii000|MrWii000]] ([[User talk:MrWii000|talk]]) 22:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
:Mr. Mime is the twelfth. Check this [[User:Satsjoe/Ash's Pokémon History|page]] if you want to count for yourself. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 22:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

==Ash splitting into multiple pages discussion==
So it says that it is suggested that this article should be split into multiple. So I thought, well, how about making an Ash for each anime season?
Example: we xould make on page that has all the info on Ash in The first anime, titled Ash (Indigo League), as well as one for the Johto anime, titled Ash (Johto Journeys), and one for the Hoenn anime, titled Ash (Advanced) and you get the picture. So if there are any mods /admins who see this, be sure to talk about it and discuss your opinions on this. Thanks, [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 22:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Ash Ketchum

2022-12-24T22:22:37Z

IsaacBoi123:

<big><big><big>ASH WAS CONFIRMED 10 YEARS OF AGE IN THE FIRST EPISODE OF THE BEST WISHES SERIES, IN THE SUN & MOON SERIES CHARACTER PROFILES, AND IN THE JOURNEYS SERIES CHARACTER PROFILES. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE POSTS QUESTIONING HIS AGE.</big></big></big>

== Previous discussions ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
__TOC__

== Rotom Pokédex in "Unofficial" Segment ==

The Rotom Pokédex qualifies under that category and travels alongside Ash and his buddies. Should it be included? If so, the template will need a minor adjustment for this to work. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 03:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:I'm all for its inclusion. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

== Ash staying 10years old ==

The convention in Delaware with the original voice actor of Jessie when asked Ash's age said he was still 10 because the show is an evergreen show.--Pokemonfansuper 13:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== In the games section ==
Should we have a section of Ash's appearances in the games? He's appeared in Puzzle League and implied to be the writer of the letter at the beginning of the Sun and Moon demo. He's also present in all the SEGA Pico games, and there are event Pokémon based on his Pokémon (like Ash's Pikachu back in Generation IV and now Ash-Greninja). [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 08:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

: I was about to ask the same question before I saw it had been asked already, so I wanna draw attention to it again because I agree. [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 13:47, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== Taking Care Of segment for Pokémon Egg ==

Since both he and Lillie were tasked with watching over the Pokémon Egg, it should be noted on both of their pages. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 18:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

== Poke Ride ==

Why don't we add the Poke ride Pokémon that Ash uses? I had added Sharpedo, Tauros and Lapras but they removed? Why should Poke Ride be listed on Kiawe'd page but not Ash's? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 17:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:Everything that Ash uses or interacts with in any way should not (IMO) be notable. He rides Poke Ride Pokemon. So? That's what they're there for, he doesn't own them or anything significant. I really think random Poke Ride Pokemon should be removed from others' pages too, but I removed them here in particular because Ash just has so many Pokemon listed, and these ones really didn't deserve it (again, IMO). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

But he actually using them in the series as Kiawe have Pokemon to ride at school as it shown own his page. He doesn't own the Taurus from the Pokemon school or the wailmer. If I'm correct, dose that mean Ash on his article should have those Pokemon own his article. Ash shown to use few Pokemon that aren't in the game to ride on such as Wailmer and pelipper. Should we add those Pokemon it seems important for the series articles. --[[User:DragoAlex|DragoAlex]] ([[User talk:DragoAlex|talk]]) 19:29, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

== Split suggestion ==

I propose that we split off the lists of Ash's Pokémon into a secondary article, which could be titled "Ash Ketchum's Pokémon," "Ash's Pokémon," "Ash Ketchum/Pokémon," or anything similar. By my count, the anime list alone takes up a full quarter of this page's ridiculous size (25k of ~100k bytes). In my opinion, this page should keep whatever Ash has in his party or in rotation, since that's what's relevant to the current anime, and everything else would be visible on the secondary page without cluttering up this main page. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:I think it's the temporary Pokémon section that's taking up the most space and should be split off the page. We do have a [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio]], so we can do the same for Ash's temporary Pokémon. However, everything else is too important to place elsewhere.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:46, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
:: I second Force Fire's suggestion! [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I've [[User:Force Fire/List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum|started a page]], feel free to edit it and make suggestions.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:44, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::I'm also with ForceFire. And what do you think about putting together released, traded away, given away and unofficial Pokemon to "lost Pokemon"?--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 15:09, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
:::I agree with Pumpkinking0192 as in we should split the page, the anime isn't likely to stop soon and Ash is bound to get more pokemon as time goes on Though I do believe that there should be a page with pokemon that reside at Oak's laboratory and a section for Ash's pokemon and one for Gary's (if there are any known) and have this page link to it instead of listing all pokemon that Oak is keeping for Ash. If we don't split the page eventually it'll take an hour to quickly scroll to the bottom and yes I realize that at the top there are links to send you to the area you want quickly but there are also people in this world who dislike using those links. {{unsigned|Pokegail|20:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)}}
::I also second {{U|Force Fire}}. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Wouldn't it be better if all the Pokemon out of rotation were added to that page too? Considering Ash has caught so many Pokemon, the page will fill up quickly, and even after removing the temporary Pokemon, this page will still be big enough to cause problems. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTe]][[Special:Contribs/PikaTepig999|pig999]] 05:22, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

== Picture ==

First off I realized that Pikachu was edited in Ash's picture when in reality he should be alone like this: http://www.pokebeach.com/news/1016/Ash-Pikachu-Sun-Moon-Anime.jpg
Can someone remove pikachu from the picture?

Also for when the 20th movie comes out should we change his picture to his movie appearance? {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}
:The image will not be replaced, because the movie is a standalone thing, whereas his current outfit will go on for a while after the movie airs, so there's no point in changing it for the movie and then changing it back afterwards when the next Sun and Moon episode airs. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 13:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

== Ash's Xy section ==

Don't you think there's a bit too much on Ash's xy section? I think it's a bit too long and detailed to the point where it spoils important parts of episodes or just that it has minor unnecessarily parts. I feel like it is like this with characters like Bonnie, Serena and xy in general {{unsigned|Mowahib}}
:Obviously so. I've been planning to make heavy, heavy trims once I've watched all of XY, but that may not happen for awhile. In the meantime, you're welcome to do it yourself. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

==Sun and Moon Ash Statement==
A friend brought this up to me earlier today and it has an official comment from the sound director on Twitter. So... uh... I'm going to mention this. http://satoshipediaeng.altervista.org/sun-moon-is-not-continuation-of-xyz-the-main-characters-are-completely-new-ash-and-pikachu/ [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 16:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:That article doesn't make a lot of sense and seems like overly agitated ramblings. It's much, much more likely that the tweet is simply misinterpreted: "not a continuation of XYZ" just means that it's a new season, just like Best Wishes could be seen as "not a continuation of DP" and XY as "not a continuation of Best Wishes". And "a completely new Satoshi and Pikachu" is patently ridiculous to take literally; it's probably referring to his character design, or else is a metaphor for, again, starting fresh with a new season.
:Let me ask you this: if Sun & Moon Ash were really a new character who's not the same as Ash from previous seasons, then how would he have been able to refer to [[Ash's Tauros|his Tauros]] in [[SM001]]? It's that simple. It's the same Ash as ever, period. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:: The phrasing is up for interpretation, they could've meant it's not a continuation of XYZ in tone (which sound is a huge part of), since XYZ was of course much darker and intense than SM is, and that Ash is different to his XYZ version because he's more lax than semi-serious as he was in XYZ. I think if it was an entirely different reality they would've made a much bigger deal about it [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 16:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::: I'm simply bringing this up is all. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 17:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::: While I'm (sadly) leaning towards this being possible (consider the 20th movie being a drastically altered retelling of the first few episodes, and that reboots in general are for some reason huge in the entertainment industry right now), the article also argues that the Best Wishes series is a separate continuity, which is definitely untrue. [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 20:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: Since the tweet also contains pencil artwork of the SM series, I think the director is most likely referring to the new art style. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 20:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

==Higher Quality Sun and Moon character artwork==
I just found character artwork for the Sun and Moon series in a larger and higher quality. They are found on the Gulli (French TV channel) website. It also includes Ash without Pikachu.
http://resize3-gulli.ladmedia.fr/img//var/jeunesse/storage/images/gulli/chaine-tv/dessins-animes/pokemon/dresseurs/sacha/26571585-3-fre-FR/Sacha.jpg

Here's the link to the artwork: http://www.gulli.fr/Chaine-TV/Dessins-animes/Pokemon/Dresseurs
([[User:Pansagetrent9|Pansagetrent9]] ([[User talk:Pansagetrent9|talk]]) 15:43, 16 July 2017 (UTC))

: Hey, this also includes high-quality artwork for most of the SM cast, nice!
:The pictures have artifacts and the colors are a bit off, but I'll try to clean them up and upload them later. Thanks for the info! --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 02:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Possible M20 split? ==

Unlike the other movies, M20 is not filler. It's been said to take place in a different dimension than the main series. In other words, M20!Ash=/=MS!Ash. Should we split the page, so that all the information concerning M20!Ash does not contradict the main page. Another reason is that the two characters lived different lives, had different outfits, different companions, etc. We would no place to write the exploits of M20!Ash. It could be like what the wiki did when separating EToP!Ash from the main Ash page. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 19:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

:I've started a [[User:TheFatPanda/Ash Ketchum (M20)|page for the other Ash]] within my user page, if anybody wants to expand upon and use it? [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 13:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

==Poké Ride Stoutland picture==

I removed he that picture for Poké Ride Stouland https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SM032.png because it was updated and now don't fit for that space. I actually don't have permission for reverting or upload files. Can someone put this file instead [https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/archive/2/2c/20170731022036%21SM032.png] [[User:TossedDwarf5019|TossedDwarf5019]] ([[User talk:TossedDwarf5019|talk]]) 16:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

:Done. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 15:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

::Thank you! [[User:TossedDwarf5019|TossedDwarf5019]] ([[User talk:TossedDwarf5019|talk]]) 18:54, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Ash Kalos Full Party ==

May i have the previous photo from Kalos Full Party to save for myself please? Didn´t thought you guys would remove.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 13:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
:Right here [[:File:Ash Kalos Team.png]] --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 13:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Split ==

I disagree with splitting Ash's Pokémon from this page. I think listing them here is important. Most of his Pokémon are only links to their own pages, so don't take up much space anyway.

However, I do think it would be a good idea to split "Ash's temporary Pokémon" to a separate page, much like [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio]]. They do take up a lot of space, and don't have much relevance to Ash as a character. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:49, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
:I do believe that's [[#Split suggestion|the consensus that was reached above]], in case the reason you're making a new section is that you didn't see that one. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ash's Buzzwole ==

It's currently listed under "Temporary pokémon", but it's the only pokémon in this category at the moment that Ash actually caught in a pokéball. Since Ash actually caught and then released Buzzwole it should be moved up to "Released Pokémon". The description of "Temporary pokémon" does not fit as Buzzwole is neither a wild pokémon Ash teamed up with nor belongs to another trainer. There's precedence for this in Beedrill, which Ash also actually caught in a pokéball, which is now in its own category above the one for "temporary pokémon". [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] ([[User talk:Mijzelffan|talk]]) 12:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

: I agree with this. Only major thing we'll have to do is make a page for Buzzwole. [[User:Super10ZX|Super10ZX]] ([[User talk:Super10ZX|talk]]) 13:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

: I think that case is the same of Seaking, catching in Johto. Ash doesn't use Buzzwole like the others Pokémon, just catch it. --[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 13:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

::Seaking has less going for it than Buzzwole. Seaking is caught as part of a game which has the rules to be released after, similarly to something like the [[Battle Bingo]]. It's even caught in an anime-only Lake Ball which seems to have a 100% catch rate and might not be an actual pokéball. No such arguments can be made for the Buzzwole however, which was caught as an ordinary wild pokémon in a legitimate pokéball. After catching it Ash even does his traditional "caught a pokémon" pose. [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] ([[User talk:Mijzelffan|talk]]) 13:59, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Seaking was caught as part of a [[Seaking Catching Day|structured competition]] that requires Trainers to release their Seaking back into the Seaking's natural habitat afterward; Buzzwole is caught as part of a [[Ultra Guardians|structured team effort]] that requires members to release Ultra Beasts back into [[Ultra Space|the UBs' natural habitat]] afterward. I feel like they're much more similar than you're giving them credit for. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, similar question. Why is Charjabug in Temporary section if it was caught and by the same episode gave to someone else like Beedrill?--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 15:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:He never actually caught Charjabug in a Pokéball so it wouldn't count.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

== Catching Poipole ==

Is it safe to say Ash will catch Poipole as his 5th Pokemon judging by the Intro Japanese Future Connection? like opening animation spoilers the capture of poipole
--[[User:Feelitstill23|Use Brave Bird]] ([[User talk:Feelitstill23|talk]]) 16:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)Feelitstill23
:Sadly Bulbapedia isn't for speculation and won't be added until the episode Ash catches Poipole, assuming he does airs.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

== SM055 ==

This paragraph was removed under the reasoning that Ash was not heavily focused on in [[SM055]].

: In ''[[SM055|The Professors' New Adventure!]]'', Nebby disappeared, leaving Ash feeling sorry for not able to thank it for its help. Later, Ash discovered that Professor Kukui and [[Professor Burnet]] had decided to get married. After learning they weren't planning to have a wedding, Ash and his classmates arranged a surprise wedding ceremony, with Ash acting as the ring bearer. During the reception, Lusamine, [[Wicke]] and Faba approached Ash and his friends, with Faba apologizing for his earlier actions. The three then invited Ash and his classmates to join an Ultra Beast response unit called the [[Ultra Guardians]], which they all agreed to. By the end of the ceremony, Ash saw Nebby flying through the sky and thanked it before Nebby disappeared.

I would disagree considering that joining the Ultra Guardians was a major plot point and lead-in to future episodes, and the Pokémon School students are directly involved in organising the wedding ceremony (in Ash's case, including waking up Professor Kukui and being the ring bearer). Also the Legendary Pokémon Ash was gifted by the Island Guardians for ten episodes (who helped with the rescue of Lusamine) leaving does seem pretty major regarding Ash and Nebby to me (that's not me saying to include EVERY capture, evolution, departure and hatching across the various regions in Ash's history section though). [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 23:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:It's important to note that some pages, particularly Ash's here, can get very big very easily. The history should probably be pretty broad strokes. Take a look at the Advanced Generation section: that hardly references any specific episodes, and (...without being involved in the anime much) IMO that's probably a good idea for the whole history section. (DP and BW look alright too perhaps. OS, XY, and SM can probably use greater or lesser amounts of cleaning up or compressing.)
:Just glancing at what's above, I'd say that in particular the wedding may not be that important. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:: I do in broad terms understand being more sparing with space and compressing when a character is around for over 5 years, never mind 20 like Ash. Although I'm not 100% sure about outright being vague with citing episodes, especially when the individual series span over a hundred episodes (or at least 3 seasons) each. At a minimum, I'd feel like mentioning "after badge X" or "after town Y" or "the Z league" and put in a more chronological order than I've seen ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&type=revision&diff=2766416&oldid=2766415 for instance, this bit correcting how in XY, Ash's travels with Korrina come BEFORE the Summer Camp]).
:: Specifically regarding the events of the episode, though, I still defend what I said about Ash, Nebby and the Ultra Guardians for the reasons I already said, even if I get just for space reasons we don't need to blow-by-blow mention everything that's plot related from ''[[S21|Ultra Adventures]]'' (though off the top of my head, I think that would depend heavily on the anime character's page). [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 01:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::: Maybe my issue is I just have a vague distinction in my head between compressing/simplifying/making something less run-on vs. burning it all down. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 01:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't encourage "After X/Y/Z" one after another either, this isn't a grade schooler's report on how to make peanut butter and jelly. This should be a well considered, encyclopedic summary. The AG section really is a ''good'' overview. It reads very well.
::::The current SM section practically comes off more as a journal, with an episode title starting basically every paragraph. I understand that it may seem difficult since that's ongoing. It's still subpar; not what we should really want. ...Or, heck, I could be half wrong. Maybe we could try to only have a broad strokes overview of most of the previous/current episodes, but—as it is the ongoing season—perhaps we could try to go into some more specific detail for the latest significant episode (such as, say, Ultra Guardians); but even that should remain as limited as possible, not letting half a dozen episodes' worth of specifics build up at the end of the section. (...I'm not demanding that the SM section change. I'm not part of the anime enough to keep that in check all the time. I'm just emphasizing that there are better things we could do—or will need to do once the series is over, at the very least.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: Been thinking about this, and I think while I understand the way the paragraph beginnings look may not be ideal or sufficiently encyclopedic, I'm not hugely in favour of them being unsourced in any way either (or only sourced as far as "in the {{series|Advanced Generation}}" and so forth, even though the anime more often than not changes regions long-term within the same series). Whether this is on Ash in SM or in already-completed series. I just took "in [episode whatever]" thing as a kind of inelegant stopgap. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 11:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Kind of want to hear more opinions in the community before making any decision (I've been editing here a month, and Tiddlywinks by their own admission isn't involved much with anime characters). But for now, on this page I'm going to hold off additional "in [episode]" stuff when adding or changing info until I have a better idea for what's...par, I guess? [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 19:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
:I would agree with Tiddlywinks on this one. Given Ash is the main protagonist of the whole anime and we will be following him for years to come, our criteria for episode plot inclusion should naturally be much more stricter. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

==SM061==
Why aren't we counting Buzzwole as a fully owned Ash Pokemon? it's with the ones like Pokemon he borrowed and yet he clearly caught it so why don't we have a page with "Ash's Buzzwole". Sure he only had it for 7 seconds but a catch is a catch and I think it should be under released and have a profile of its own. He got a Pokeball, threw it at the Pokemon and caught it. He even did his, I CAUGHT A POKEMON! putting it with random Pokes he's borrowed or made friends with is misleading IMO because he literally caught it[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 03:04, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
:The same reason Seaking is under temporary and not released, he had it for less than an episode. It's not notable for its own article, regardless of it being an Ultra Beast. There's literally nothing more you can add if it were given an article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
::I don't care too much about the article but more about the placement of the Pokemon on his page.[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 05:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
:::The entire purpose of the Ultra Guardians is to catch and release Ultra Beasts back to their homeworlds. It was caught by Ash for the Ultra Guardians, not as a new addition to his personal team. It's not his Pokemon nor was it ever meant to be his, so there's no real reason to treat it as such. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 10:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

== Released Pokemon ==

As an Ultra Guardian, Ash has caught many ultra beasts that were afterwards released. Why are they not recorded in his released Pokémon section? {{unsigned|Elite4Alola}}
:Read Ataro's comment in the above section. The releasing of Ultra Beasts is not the same as Ash releasing his other Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

== Z-Crystals ==

Sorry if this was answered before, I don't see it. But why was the decision to favor "Trials" over "Z-crystals" made. I find it absolutely troubling that NOT all of Ash's Z-Crystals are listed simply because Grand Trials and Trials somehow take precedence. Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on Z-crystals in this case OVER trials/grand trials since the Z-crystals are more important from a wikipedia/encyclopedia perspective (at least in my opinion). Granted maybe its simply because the section was about "challenges/tournaments/whatever you want to call them" and that's why. But I definitely don't understand the reasoning behind not putting ALL of Ash's Z-crystals on the page in some fashion. Seems incomplete and inaccurate to me. But that's just my opinion, I primarily just want an explanation for why all the Z-crystals aren't listed only focusing on the ones Ash got from trials/grand trials. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] ([[User talk:Dman dustin|talk]]) 18:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

== Artwork ==

Shouldn't we add the image of Ash from [[New series]] in the artwork section? {{unsigned|Yash Sonbhurra}}
:We will eventually, there's uncertainty whether this is normal Anime Ash or Movie Reboot Ash. And please remember to end comments with four tildes (~) [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 13:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::Understood most but the movie reboot part. Can you please define? --> [[User:Yash Sonbhurra|『★¥♠§H♂』]] ''([[User talk:Yash Sonbhurra|『†@!K™』]])'' 13:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::: Movies 20 and 21 do not follow the same Ash as the anime, they follow an AU Ash. There's uncertainty because artwork and font is similar to Movie 21 [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 14:42, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
::::For reference, [[Ash Ketchum (M20)]]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:37, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

== Fan speculation ==

Can someone lock the article so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it? This is due to speculation crackdown. --[[User:TheICTLiker4|'''TheICT''']][[User talk:TheICTLiker4|'''Liker''']][[Special:Contributions/TheICTLiker4|'''4''']] 17:03, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
:If it becomes a problem, then it will be protected. It doesn't need to be protected yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
::I think the protection level should be this:
{| class="wikitable"
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! Action !! Protection level !! Expiry date
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| Edit || Block new users || infinite
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| Move || colspan=2 | ''no change''
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::So, did you understand well? --[[User:TheICTLiker4|'''TheICT''']][[User talk:TheICTLiker4|'''Liker''']][[Special:Contributions/TheICTLiker4|'''4''']] 12:11, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:::Like I said, there's '''no need''' to protect the page. There is '''no''' problem.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:38, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
::::Why are you insisting the article needs to be protected? Nothing's happened so far that would warrant this. Are you just saying it needs to be done as a precaution? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

==Changing Ash's design==
I have tried to update ash's picture to his current design but something went wrong. Can someone fix this? {{unsigned|Dan333}}

:Don't do that yet. The {{series|Sun & Moon}} hasn't ended yet. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

==Orange League==
Why isn't he listed as Champion of the Orange League any more?[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 03:31, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

:Not sure, to be honest. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:54, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
::The template should be updated to allow multiple champion listings.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 08:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

== Goodra not technically released... ==

Goodra should be added to "In training" since it was left in the care of another person like Squirtle and Primeape, and Ash has shown the ability to recall Goodra when he wants to.

[[User:Panky..|Panky..]] ([[User talk:Panky..|talk]]) 12:36, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
:This has been [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6#Why|discussed before]]. Goodra isn't under the care of anyone. Keanan is not the same situation as Anthony, Jenny, or Liza, where those Pokemon joined those trainers to become stronger (hence, In ''training''), Goodra just went back to its home which just happens to be owned by Keanan.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:55, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
::However, Ash still has its pokeball as shown in Sun and Moon Episode 1. [[User:Paree24|Paree24]] ([[User talk:Paree24|talk]]) 06:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

==Seaking==
[[File:Ash Pokémon Heisei Recap.png|thumb|250px]]
Now that Mimey seems to be considered a Pokémon Ash formally owned/owns, should Seaking be moved from the 'Temporary' section to the 'Released' section? Just like Mimey, it is also included in the ''Heisei History of Pocket Monsters: From Tuesday to Thursday, and Then Sunday'' special, alongside Ash's other Pokémon. Based on the list Seaking is considered to have been one of Ash's Pokémon, rather than just a temporary one. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 15:52, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

== Ash's Pokemon Section: Are Greninja, Goodra and Naganadel "Formally Released"? ==

This article mentions Goodra, Greninja and Naganadel as "Formally Released Back Into the Wild".

However,

We never see the release animation like we saw with Butterfree, Pidgeot and Lapras

Both Goodra and Greninja were outside their pokeball when they parted ways

Goodra is literally under the care of the person who is in charge of the swamp

When Ash leaves Greninja with Zygarde, Zygarde says "Greninja will be under my care".

Goodra has comeback after being left in the swamp (like Gliscor and Charizard), it was never recaught.

In the first episode of Sun and Moon, Ash gives 5 pokeballs to oak implying that Ash still owns both Goodra and Greninja

When Naganadel comes back, Ash recalls it to its beast ball instead of recatching it. [Implying he never released it]

But, as we know, Once the Pokémon is released, it is removed from the player's possession and cannot be encountered again.

So stating that Ash has "Formally Released" them back into the wild is not true.

Here is what i think:
Goodra: Should be under the care of Keanan
Greninja: With Zygarde
Naganadel: Its World

They aren't formally released as long as these evidences are not invalidated. {{unsigned|Paree24}}
:The anime constantly changes over the years and the release animation of before is not going to be the same as it is now. And they are also known not to be consistent and forget things.
:And? Doesn't mean they're not released. They could've been released off screen and departed on screen.
:Keagan owns the swamp but is not looking after Goodra. Goodra just went home, it didn't go to Keagan to get stronger. Same with Greninja.
:Games=/=anime. Who says he needs to recatch it if he's already created a close bond with the Pokemon? And who's to say he needs to dispose of the Pokemon's Poke Ball after he's released it? It's all speculation. And Ash has met up with Lapras, so yes, a released Pokemon in the anime can be encountered again. Because the anime is not the game. It has its own rules.
:All three Pokemon returned (or were released) to the wild, they are not being cared for by another trainer.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
::If That is the case, why does the article say "Formally Released Back to the wild" and proceeds to link to a page which defines releasing as per the game definition? Isn't it contradicting what you said? Also Squirtle didn't go to train with Jenny/Make it more stronger, why is it in the training list if thats the case? Both Goodra and Squirtle can be called upon when needed and we have seen it in the anime. Also Squirtle was last seen in Oak's lab with the Squirtle Squad and Jenny wasn't even there/mentioned so how is Goodra different from Squirtle?
::Also by the definition of released according to the linked article, it can be caught by another trainer which is totally not the case if ash still owns them but left them somewhere. So, technically, Butterfree can be caught by another trainer but Greninja/Goodra/Naganadel cannot be since he still owns them. Releasing them offscreen is a speculation and is not fact. Infact the whole Greninja release(in care of zygarde and not released imo) arc took place on screen and there was no involvement of either pokeball/release animation either. [[User:Paree24|Paree24]] ([[User talk:Paree24|talk]]) 09:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

== Ash's Dragonite and Mimey ==

I think that Ash's Dragonite and Mimey don't be in "On hand" section, because they are kept in the Sakuragi Institute, this information was confirmed in [[JN011|SS011]].--[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 21:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

== Ash's Gengar ==

I think that Ash's Gengar maybe is shiny due to they different color.--[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 21:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

== Pokemon World Championship ranks? ==

What do you think about adding Ash current Rank in the Pokemon World Championship in the main information section and add possible Rank Changes as a separate column in the Achievement section, with hyperlinks to Episodes in which his Rank changed (Similar to Badges/Frontier Symbols obtained),
e.g.
1.4.6. Pokemon World Championship
1.4.6.1 Normal Rank (< Top 1000)
#3763 - win against Visquez (SS018)

etc. {{unsigned|Lord Godwin}}
: I think that may cause a clutter, it may suit easier to show his End of Season rank once the series is done; badges are finite, rank is continually in flux [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 20:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:: At the very least Ash's current rank should be listed (presumably the information box like under trainer class or something listing his PWC rank), that is updated any time it actually updates and we have solid indication what the rank is. So right now somewhere it should say 3763 as of writing this. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] ([[User talk:Dman dustin|talk]]) 21:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
:::It's probably fine to have it where it's at for now. If it gets too much, as in his rank changes every single episode (which I doubt), then we'll do something different.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

== Article split suggestion ==

It's been months since [[Talk:Ash_Ketchum#Split_suggestion|it was proposed and, seemingly, reached the consensus to]] split this page to exclude all temporary pokémon (including Ride ones), with [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] also starting an [[User:Force Fire/List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum|userpage]] which would be ready to be added into the Mainspace. My suggestion is to go further than that. Considering Ash is first and foremost an anime character, I think Ash's appearances in other media should be split into another article. I believe Ash is such an important character to deserve this split, and the navigability of the page would be much better.

So my idea is to have:
*Ash Ketchum (including all anime info – History, Character, Pokémon, Achievements, Voice Actors, Artwork and Trivia)
*List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum (info about Temporary and Ride pokémon, which really need to be split into another article)
*Ash Ketchum in other media (including the In the games, In the manga, in the TCG sections)

I think it's time we start to think about the user performance on such pages, as it became impossible to navigate through Ash's page. --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 15:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
:Also, [[Template:Ash's Pokémon]] is nearly unusable. Do we really need to include temporary and ride pokémon there if they don't have a personal page themselves? I would keep only the pokémon with separate pages and the ''Electric Tale'' only ones because of [[Ash's Fearow]] page.--[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 15:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
::I agree with the page split, as navigating his page is inconvenient. The template, on the other hand, doesn't really need changed.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
:::We can easily link the subpage on the bottom of the "Ash's Pokémon" once the page is split. We already do that for [[Template:Team Rocket's Pokémon|Team Rocket]]. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] ([[User talk:Chosen|Talk]]) 20:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Exactly, the template could look like below. How many contributions do we need to reach a consensus? Sorry, first time proposing a major change here. --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 13:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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:::::After some discussion with staff we decided to split off Ash's temporary/ride Pokemon, as well as his achievement section onto separate pages. I also edited the "Ash's Pokemon" template to remove the temporary/ride Pokémon to make the template less cumbersome on pages as well. The article is still pretty long, but that is partially just because he is such a massive character with a lot of information to cover, so that's kind of going to be expected. However, we can definitely help things by cutting down on unnecessary portions of his history/character sections by summarizing where we can and perhaps using less detail in some places. Thanks again bringing this issue back up again for renewed discussion! '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::Thank you! Glad I could be helpful. I still think the appearances in other medias could be split into another page too, as they're mostly trivial information. But right now it's already much better. --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 08:25, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
A suggestion that I think could be adopted, I saw in Marvel wikis mainly, the following: in the biography of a character like Captain America, a summary by decade and a link that went to a bigger page with the description of that time. Something like a page for Ash's journey in Kanto, Johto, Diamond & Pearl, Unova and co. It was going to help solve a good part of the said space problem. It only left the events that are constantly remembered (ex: Liga Kanto, the Ho-Oh incident, Gary Vs Ash, more or less) and that influence the canon of the character as a whole. Here:
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Steven_Rogers_(Earth-616)
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Steven_Rogers_(Earth-616)/Expanded_History
[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:35, 07 April 2020 (UTC)

== Researcher ==

Since both Ash and Goh present themselves as researchers today, is it not worth putting that in their Trainer Class and a paragraph talking more about it in his bio?-[[User:Hikaru Wazana |Hikaru Wazana ]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 17:14, 07 July 2020 (UTC)

== Ash's physical strength ==

It lists Larvitar and Hippopotas as heavy Pokémon he can lift, but what about Cosmoem, which weighs a whole metric ton, or 1000 kg (and is the heaviest Pokémon, tied with Celesteela)? Or did the writers just forget, not know, or disregard that Cosmoem's weight in the Dex is a metric ton? {{unsigned|ThighFish}}
:The article just lists examples, not an entire catalogue. The rest goes in the [[Anime physics]] article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== "Champion of Alola League" ==

Shouldn't it be listed as Manalo Conference, since Ash is not a champion in the game universe, while Ash is, indeed, the champion only of the Manalo Conference in the anime universe? — [[User:Rockapheller|Rockapheller]] ([[User talk:Rockapheller|talk page]]) 18:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
:He's the Champion of Alola, i.e. the Alola League. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
::Alola and Alola League are different, and Manalo Conference has never been referred to as Alola League if I am not mistaken? Even the link directs you to the game details while [[Manalo Conference]] remains unlinked on the template. Which seems off to me. — [[User:Rockapheller|Rockapheller]] ([[User talk:Rockapheller|talk page]]) 19:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
:::It's actually referred to as Alola League in the anime all the time. And League is more than just the League Conference. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
::::it also needs to list the orange league, hes the champion of two regions.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 07:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::But...it ''does''... [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
::::::no it doesnt, only alola. [https://i.imgur.com/YOsBmja.png screenshot]. [[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 03:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::::Oh. I thought you were talking about [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash_Ketchum#Championship_matches this section]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 09:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
::::::::nah. the infobox needs to be coded to allow two champion listings for ash. right now its only listing one... and its annoying that orange was switced with alola. we had orange listed for what, 15 years? *both* need to be there.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 09:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::That's something for the admins to figure out. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 10:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding Information/Details ==

Hey there! I am new to this site and just wanted to begin by saying how much I enjoy this site. Secondly I was wondering if I could edit this page by adding a bit more detail to it. I'll leave this as an example...please let me know what you think. This covers Ash's journey from when he acquires Pikachu to defeating Brock. Thank you for your time! Gotta Catch em All!

In Pokémon-I Choose You! Ash Ketchum, who lives in a small settlement called Pallet Town, is ten years old which means that he is able to pick a starter Pokémon and begin his journey as a Pokémon Trainer. As Ash sleep the night before he chooses his starter Pokémon, he accidently breaks his alarm clock which causes his to oversleep. Ash hurry’s to reach Professor Oak’s Laboratory, but discovers that all three starter Pokémon have already been chosen by other trainers. Ash asks Oak if he has any other Pokémon left and Oak tells him that he does have one other Pokémon but it is very unusual. Ash tells Oak that he’ll take the Pokémon which is revealed to be the electric-type Pokémon, Pikachu. Ash tries to give his new starter Pokémon a hug, but receives a massive electric shock. As Ash begins his journey, he has to drag Pikachu around with a leash because he refuses to go inside his Pokéball and doesn’t like him at all. Ash releases Pikachu from his leash, but discovers that Pikachu’s attitude hasn’t changed when he commands Pikachu to battle a Pidgey and Pikachu refuses to do so. In frustration Ash throws a rock at what turns out to be Spearow that ends up attacking Ash and Pikachu. Pikachu uses a thunder shock on the Spearow which cause it to cry out, causing a large flock of Spearow to attack Ash and Pikachu. Ash and Pikachu decide to make a run for it but the Spearow catch up to Pikachu and severely injure Pikachu. Ash picks up Pikachu and is forced to jump into a flowing river to escape the Spearow. Ash is on reeled in by a young girl named Misty and Ash “borrows’ her bike so that he can get Pikachu to a Pokémon Center, and because the Spearow have caught back up with him. As Ash pedals as fast as he can but he eventually crashes his bike, not wanting Pikachu to get hurt he tells him to get into a Pokéball and stands in front of the Spearow in order to protect his Pokémon. Seeing that Ash is willing to sacrifice himself to save him, Pikachu leaps into action to save Ash and uses a massive thunder shock attack to defeat the Spearow. It was at this point that Ash and Pikachu formed and extremely strong bond and an unbreakable friendship.

In Pokémon Emergency! Ash arrives at the Pokémon Center in Viridian City and has his Pikachu healed. While waiting for his Pikachu to recover, Misty finds Ash and demands that he get her a new bike after hers was destroyed by Ash. As both of them continue to wait for Pikachu’s recovery the Pokémon Center is attacked by Jessie, James, and a talking Meowth who are part of a criminal organization that steals Pokémon called Team Rocket. Team Rocket is defeated when Pikachu recovers and both he and Ash send Team Rocket blasting off and, after seeing Pikachu’s power, they make it their primary objective to steal him. Ash starts making his way to Pewter City and is followed by Misty, who decides to follow Ash until he gets her a new bike.

In Ash Catches a Pokémon Ash catches his very first Pokémon, a Caterpie. Not long after catching Caterpie Ash also manages to catch a Pidgeotto. Ash’s Caterpie quickly evolves into a Metapod and in Challenge of the Samurai he evolves into a Butterfree.

In Showdown in Pewter City Ash, Misty, and Pikachu arrive at the Pewter City Pokémon Center where Ash notices a poster promoting a tournament called the Pokémon League Championship and decides to join. However, Misty points out that before he can enter he need to defeat eight Pokémon Gym Leaders and earn a Gym Badge from each as proof of his victory. Ash goes to the Pewter City Gym and challenges its Gym Leader, Brock, to a Pokémon battle.

Ash begins the match with Pikachu while Brock starts off with Onix. Pikachu is quickly defeated when Onix uses a bind attack, and Ash forfeits the match when he sees Pikachu in pain. As Ash leaves the gym, he is approached by a man named Flint who tells him that he may be able to defeat Brock if he super-charges his Pikachu. Flint leads Ash to a hydroelectric plant, where Flint hooks up a generator to the electric sacs in Pikachu’s cheeks. Ash runs on the large water wheel to generate electricity until the generator overloads and Pikachu’s electricity lights up the night sky.

The next day, Ash returns to the Pewter City Gym and challenges Brock to a rematch. Brock starts off with Geodude, while Ash sends out Pidgeotto. However, the normal and flying-type Pokémon cannot hurt Geodude, and is knocked out. Ash recalls it and sends out Pikachu.

Ash has Pikachu perform a thunder shock attack, which easily knocks out Geodude. Brock recalls his Geodude and sends out Onix. Pikachu once again performs a thunder shock attack, but due to him being afraid he doesn’t aim his attack and damages the gym instead of Onix. Onix wraps Pikachu with its bind attack and Pikachu counters with his new thunderbolt attack, which manages to inflict pain on Onix. As Pikachu is on the verge of passing out, Brock calls of his Onix as he doesn’t want to harm Ash’s Pikachu. However, Ash protests this decision, as he wants to finish the battle. Suddenly, the gym’s sprinklers are set off due to the damage Pikachu’s thunder shock had caused earlier. As water sprays over Onix, Misty reminds Ash that rock-type Pokémon are weak against water. Seizing the opportunity, Ash has Pikachu perform a thunderbolt attack, which brings Onix one attack away from defeat. Ash was about to command Pikachu to finish Onix off, but Brock's brothers and sisters all crowd Ash and beg him to stop. Brock orders his siblings to not get involved, but Ash recalls his Pikachu. Ash explains that if he defeated Brock now, it would only be because of the sprinklers being set off. He decides he wants to win his Badge fair and square. As Ash leaves the gym he is approached by Brock who hands him the Boulder Badge, stating that Ash defeated him in battle and in being kind to Pokémon. Brock asks Ash to fulfill his dream to travel the world, but Flint arrives and reveals himself to be Brock’s father. Flint tells Brock to travel with Ash and he will take care of his siblings, and Brock joins Ash on his journey. [[User:Getitdunn1991|Getitdunn1991]] ([[User talk:Getitdunn1991|talk]]) 02:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
:While we appreciate the effort, the issue with the main character pages especially is they start to get quite long (as evidenced already by this page) and a lot of the information is essentially already on the episode pages, so we try to only list significant events to the characters themselves on their pages, unlike Characters of the day who can afford to have more in depth information due to their single episode appearances. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 11:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

:Completely understandable! Just thought I'd offer. [[User:Getitdunn1991|Getitdunn1991]] ([[User talk:Getitdunn1991|talk]]) 14:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

== Pokémon Masters EX ==

Ash & Pikachu:
* Weakness: Ground
* Known moves (as I've seen): Electroweb, X Accuracy, Iron Tail, Thunderbolt, Quick Attack, and Dire Hit +
* Sync move: Sync Move (It just say "Sync Move")
[[User:ReignBough|ReignBough]] ([[User talk:ReignBough|talk]]) 02:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

== Page split by media ==

I've been noticing that this page is getting exaggeratedly huge. And with that I've been thinking, otherwise it would be better to share her content by media, and we left here essentially only what refers to the anime.

For example, instead of putting Ash's appearances in games, we could make a page where this information was present. For example, instead of putting Ash's appearances in games, we could make a page where this information was present. And within it, other links that would lead to the detailed pages of each counterpart.

To make it clearer, something like this here.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lane
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lane_in_other_media
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man#In_other_media

Since Bulbapedia uses the Wikipedia system more than Wikias in general, I think it's a more valid system to adopt. Ash's base page suffers a lot from the lack of pattern between some images (for example, the version of the Journeys manga doesn't have all the images of the Pokémon in this manga yet) and put it like this, we can work with each counterpart in an isolated way, it was even one of the reasons I created a page for Ash from the Pokémon Journeys Manga and I think both the Ash and Pikachu version and the Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl manga could benefit from that. Anyway, is there any opinion on this?--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 17:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC))

I mean the page is stupidly long, it'd be beneficial to split it up. [[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 00:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

== All of Ash's official Pokemon in ownership order ==

I've seen that Ash's Lapras is supposed to be his "thirteenth" official Pokémon, but I couldn't seem to find the "twelfth". Could somebody please give me a full list in release order? [[User:MrWii000|MrWii000]] ([[User talk:MrWii000|talk]]) 22:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
:Mr. Mime is the twelfth. Check this [[User:Satsjoe/Ash's Pokémon History|page]] if you want to count for yourself. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 22:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

So it says that it is suggested that this article should be split into multiple. So I thought, well, how about making an Ash for each anime season?
Example: we xould make on page that has all the info on Ash in The first anime, titled Ash (Indigo League), as well as one for the Johto anime, titled Ash (Johto Journeys), and one for the Hoenn anime, titled Ash (Advanced) and you get the picture. So if there are any mods /admins who see this, be sure to talk about it and discuss your opinions on this. Thanks, [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 22:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

History of the Pokémon world

2022-12-24T22:16:38Z

IsaacBoi123: added the Pokemon timeline for Kanto. Later, I will add the timeline for Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, Alola, etc.

{{fan speculation}}
Below is a timeline of events in the '''history of the Pokémon world''', primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon games]], since these tend to also apply to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events for the anime series]] as well as [[Timeline of events in Pokémon Adventures|one for Pokémon Adventures]], both of which differ from that of the games.

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]]. It is not entirely clear if these legends are true or not, but there are many hints in the series that suggest that they are.

Please note that the timeline below is based on speculation and confirmed information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

==Timeline==
[[File:Kyogre Groudon legend.png|thumb|250px|The clash between Groudon and Kyogre as depicted in ancient paintings]]
===Beginning of the [[Pokémon universe]]===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.

* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|Egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first being in existence. Arceus then creates {{p|Dialga|time}}, {{p|Palkia|space}}, and {{p|Giratina|anti-matter}}. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia then succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]] and retreat into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.

* Arceus then creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".

* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]].

* Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The [[Red Orb|Red]] and [[Blue Orb]]s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, the only other Pokémon known to exist was {{p|Regigigas}}, and the {{p|Mew}} species.

* Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and creates the three titans, {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}}, out of clay, ice, and magma, respectively.

* The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world, and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the [[Adamant Orb|Adamant]], [[Lustrous Orb|Lustrous]], and [[Griseous Orb]]s before falling into a deep slumber.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil]]s and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

'''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] existed at this time. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species.

* 500 million years ago: {{p|Anorith}} is stated to have existed in primordial seas, with its eight legs at some point developing into its known eight wings.

* 300 million years ago: An ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}} lived in the sea.
** Team Plasma later used {{p|Genesect}}'s DNA to create an infinitely stronger version of it with cybernetic technology.

* An unspecified hundreds of millions of years ago: {{p|Carbink}} begins its undisturbed underground sleep after its birth. It was born from deep underground temperatures and pressures.

* 100 million years ago: Species such as {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Tirtouga}}, {{p|Archen}}, {{p|Tyrantrum}} and {{p|Amaura}} were supposedly widespread. They all ultimately went extinct, but not before Archen gave rise to bird Pokémon and Tirtouga gave rise to turtle Pokémon.
** A [[Root Fossil|fossil]] is found millions of years later in Hoenn and revived scientifically by the [[Devon Corporation]].
** {{p|Shellder}} is known to be the prey of {{p|Omastar}}.
** {{p|Carracosta}} and {{p|Archeops}} preyed on {{p|Omanyte}}. Only Carracosta is known to have eaten {{p|Omastar}}.

* {{p|Relicanth}} is said to have remained unchanged for over 100 million years.

* 3,000,000: The first humans appeared around this time.

* 1,000,000 years ago: The Great Crater of [[Paldea]] is created.

* 20,000 years ago:
** A meteorite containing {{p|Eternatus}} fell in the [[Galar]] region.
** The first {{p|Claydol}} was brought to life from a clay doll.

* 10,000 years ago:
** During the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.
** Oldest known mural depictions of [[Cyclizar]] being ridden by humans.

* At some point in the distant past, the {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates due to unknown reasons and becomes weaker.

* At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in the Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice, and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region after years of human worship.

* 5,000 years ago: [[Gogoat]] is domesticated & humans begin using them for transport.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{cat|Relic items}} are created.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''
[[File:Ultimate Weapon.png|thumb|250px|AZ and the ultimate weapon]]
* The Kalos war occurred, the [[ultimate weapon]] was created underneath [[Geosenge Town]], and [[AZ]] was given eternal life. This sets a chain of events into motion that leads to the discovery of [[Mega Evolution]], as well as splitting the Pokémon timeline into two different multiverses, one where [[Mega Evolution]] exists, and another where Mega Evolution doesn't exist.

===Non-Mega Evolution Timeline===
In the Non-Mega Evolution timeline, no Kalos war had ever occurred. This timeline consists of [[Generation I]], [[Generation II]], [[Generation III]], [[Generation IV]], and [[Generation V]].
Many years pass, and People start to invent new technology, and [[Pokémon League|Pokémon Leagues]], [[Professor|Professors]], and more start to begin around each region.
*'''Kanto'''
In the [[Kanto|Kanto region]], a Professor known as [[Professor Oak]] calls upon two trainers, [[Red]], from [[Pallet Town]], and his grandson, [[Blue]], from [[Viridian City]]. He explains to Red and Blue about the Pokémon world, and gives them both a mission: To complete the [[Pokédex]]. He gives them a Pokédex, then tells them to choose a [[Starter Pokémon]]. Red chooses {{p|Charmander}}, and Blue chooses {{p|Squirtle}}. The two then set out on their adventures. Red, learns about the Pokémon League, and challenges many different Gyms. Once he beats all 8 Gyms, he goes back to Prof. Oak, and Oak tells him to find and catch the Legendary Pokémon, {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, and {{p|Mewtwo}}. Red does this, and finishes the Pokédex, with the excepction of {{p|Mew}}.
Red then heads to [[Victory Road]], and challenges the [[Elite Four]], then becoming the League Champion.
'''Hoenn'''

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* A black storm called the [[Darkest Day]] occurred and was stopped by {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}.
* [[Melmetal]] is worshipped by ancient humans for its ability to create metal from nothing.

'''2,500 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The [[Relic Castle]] is built.
** The [[Dragonspiral Tower]] is known as Unova's oldest structure, though its age is unstated.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Conkeldurr}} is said to have taught humans how to make concrete using centrifugal force.

'''2,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Hoenn]] is plagued by meteor showers. A meteor turns the homeplace of the [[Draconid people]] into [[Meteor Falls]].
* The world overflowed with natural energy which {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, in their [[Primal Reversion|primal]] forms, fought over. They ravaged the earth and were only calmed by {{p|Rayquaza}} after the Draconid people summoned it using a wish on a meteor at Meteor Falls. The people of Hoenn begin to revere Rayquaza as a savior.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
*The Paldean Empire began to rule Paldea.
* The emperor of Paldea ushers in the Great Age of Exploration by sending expeditions into The Great Crater of Paldea to find the treasure rumored to lie inside.

'''1,500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.
* The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.

'''c. 1,000-2,000 years before [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] (c. 1,300-2,300 years before [[Generation IV]]):'''
* An ancient society called the Celestica people lived in the Sinnoh region. They worshiped {{p|Arceus}} and built many structures which can still be found as ruins in the region in modern times, such as [[Solaceon Ruins]], [[Snowpoint Temple]], and [[Spear Pillar]].

'''1,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* A thousand years after the events at Meteor Falls, a meteor struck Hoenn, creating Sootopolis City. {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} reawakened to fight over the wellspring of primal energy which came from it. The people of Hoenn wished on {{p|Rayquaza}} to save them, and using the meteor, Rayquaza performed the world's first [[Mega Evolution]] and calmed the two. [[Sky Pillar]] was built in Rayquaza's honor, and the [[Draconid people]] promised to pass down the prophecy that in 1,000 years the meteor would return - causing the events of the [[Delta Episode]].

'''805 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
* [[Naranja Academy]]/[[Uva Academy]] is founded in [[Mesagoza]].

'''800 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* {{p|Xerneas}} released life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to a forest, where it went to sleep in the form of a tree.
* {{p|Yveltal}} absorbed life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to the mountains, where it went to sleep in the form of a cocoon.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|250px|Ecruteak City]]

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The [[Sinjoh Ruins]] are built by two groups of people, from Sinnoh and Johto's [[Ruins of Alph]]. The site's architecture expresses a fusion of the two group's ideas and mythology.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* [[Poké Ball]]s are invented.
* The [[Diamond Clan]] and [[Pearl Clan]] lived in the Hisui region. They share a deity called almighty Sinnoh, but argue whether it {{p|Palkia|created space}} or {{p|Dialga|created time}}.
* The [[Galaxy Expedition Team]] comprised of people from many regions arrived in Hisui to explore the land, document the Pokémon, and settle the region.
* The events of [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] occur.

'''c. 700 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* A {{p|Spiritomb}} is bound to a fissure in an [[Odd Keystone]] as punishment for misdeeds.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* The [[guardian deities]] fought against {{p|Solgaleo}} and {{p|Lunala}}.
* {{p|Magearna}} is created by a scientist who used the life energy of other Pokémon to create its {{a|Soul-Heart}}, and is presented to a king's daughter.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented.<ref>'''[[Koga/Quotes|Koga]]:''' ''TM06 contains Toxic! It is a secret technique over 400 years old!''</ref>

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Azalea Town]] in [[Johto]] is struck by long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* {{p|Rolycoly}} is first discovered in a coal mine.

'''c. 300 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* [[Parfum Palace]] is built.

'''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[Village Bridge]] is constructed by a man and his {{p|Gurdurr}} after the river flooded the area.
* The island that would become [[Liberty Garden]] is bought by an ultra-rich family and {{p|Victini}} is hidden in a backroom.

'''c. 150 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]] while Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[Legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.

'''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The warehouses of [[Nacrene City]] are constructed.
* {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].
* {{p|Roggenrola}} is discovered in an earthquake fissure.

'''1925'''
* Modern [[Poké Ball]]s are developed from the research of [[Professor Westwood V|Professor Westwood]] of [[Celadon University]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Elgyem}} is seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the [[desert#In Unova|desert]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* [[Mustard]] defeats [[Opal]] and becomes {{pkmn|Champion}} of Galar.

'''c. 40 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{p|Lunatone}} is seen for the first time in a crater.

'''c. 32 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* Mustard is dethroned as Champion of the [[Galar League]] after an 18-year long victory streak, and retires soon after.

'''Several decades before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Sea Mauville]] is decommissioned after the closure of [[New Mauville]].

'''1969:'''
* [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|Humans land on the Moon for the first time]].<ref>'''Old Man:''' ''"July 20, 1969! Humankind first set foot on the moon that day. I bought a color TV just so I could watch that news."''</ref>

'''20 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[N]] is born.<ref name="BW age">[http://raim2005.blog18.fc2.com/blog-entry-980.html 【BW/BW2】ファンミーティング情報のまとめ blue skY]</ref><ref name="N and Cheren age">[http://pk-mn.com/n/b2w2-fan-meeting-n-nenrei/ 「ポケモンブラック２ホワイト２」のファンミーティングで、「N」や「チェレン」の年齢、怒ったNのイラストなどの設定資料が公開 (Japanese)]</ref><ref>Pash Monthly, May 2013, interview with Episode N director [https://archive.is/iQ3tR (archive of tweeted scan, Japanese)]</ref>

'''14-15 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{ga|Hilbert}} is born.<ref name="BW age"/>
* {{ga|Hilda}} is born<ref name="BW age"/>
* [[Cheren]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/><ref name="N and Cheren age"/>
* [[Bianca]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/>

'''13-15 years prior to [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:'''
* [[Mina]] is born.<ref>[[Media:Mina LGPE concept art.png|Concept art]] from [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu!, Let's Go, Eevee!]].</ref>

'''12 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{ga|Brendan}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Brendan, ''12'', a Pokémon Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>
* {{ga|May}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Her name is May, aged ''12'', a Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* {{ga|Red}} is born.<ref>[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''You are an '''11 year-old''' boy living in Pallet Town with your mother.''"</ref>
* {{ga|Leaf}} is born.<ref name="Leaf age">{{ga|Red}} is stated to be 11-years-old according to Pokémon Blue's manual. Since Leaf is Red's female counterpart, this would presumably make her the same age as Red.</ref>
* {{ga|Blue}} is born.<ref name="Blue age">[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''He sees you as his rival because you are '''the same age''' and height.''"</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* The [[Litleonids|Litleonid meteor shower]] passes by [[Hoenn]] for the last time prior to {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}.
* [[Hoenn TV|TV Mauville]] is founded.

'''11 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* {{ga|Elio}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age">[[Wicke]] asks if the player and [[Hau]] are around 11, the minimum age required to take on the Island Challenge, and the player can respond with "Yeah, I am" or "How'd you know?".</ref>
* {{ga|Selene}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age"</>
* [[Hau]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''He's the '''same age''' as your character.''"</ref><ref>[[Hau/Quotes|Hau]]: "''Yeah, I took the first chance I had to join in the island challenge once I turned '''11'''!''"</ref>
* [[Lillie]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''This young girl is about '''the same age as your character''', and she's working as Professor Kukui’s assistant for personal reasons.''"</ref>

'''10 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Wally]] is born.<ref>[[TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network]]: "''This remarkable '''10-year-old''' Trainer is originally from Petalburg City and is known to his friends and family as Wally.''"</ref>
* [[Pokémon Center]]s in [[Hoenn]] are remodeled, removing the second floor and the Pokémon Cable Club.

'''1995'''
* The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.<ref>According to the [[Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia]], Porygon was created in 1995.</ref>

'''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
* A {{p|Rotom}} inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:

'''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. {{p|Mewtwo}}, a clone of Mew, is born on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's Gym]] is declared the official Gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
* Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
* The [[Battle Resort]] opens in [[Hoenn]].
* [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] is torn down due to being old and creaky. During the process, the Radio Tower Director comes across the [[Clear Bell]], which he keeps for the time being. A new Goldenrod Radio Tower is built in its place.
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] begins.

'''Ten years prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}} invents a time machine and bring [[Paradox Pokémon]] into the present, and is later killed by a second {{p|Koraidon}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Miraidon}}{{sup/9|V}}.

'''A year and a half prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Nemona]] becomes the youngest Champion-class Trainer in Paldea.
* [[Team Star]] is formed.

'''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

'''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:
** {{ga|Red}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his Pokémon journey after his rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he then challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Network Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Olivine City]] in [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s daughter/son; however, later on, the rivalry is with [[Wally]] instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and calming {{p|Groudon}} or {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, they challenge and defeat Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion themself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

'''{{gameabbrev7|PE}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:
** {{ga|Chase}}/{{ga|Elaine}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on their Pokémon journey after their rival, {{ga|Trace}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] with the help of {{ga|Blue}} and Trace, along the way, they then challenge Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and compete for the title of Champion in one final battle with Trace. After defeating Trace, Chase/Elaine becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}. From there, they capture {{p|Mewtwo}} and meet {{ga|Green}}, a Trainer who had hoped to capture Mewtwo for herself. They also confront [[Archer]], an {{tc|Executive|admin}} of the remnants of Team Rocket, who challenges them to one last battle before swearing that he will avenge his boss, [[Giovanni]].

'''Between {{gen|I}}/{{gen|III}} and {{gen|II}}/{{gen|IV}}:'''
* [[Anabel]] enters an [[Ultra Wormhole]] and is found by [[Nanu]] and [[Looker]] in [[Alola]].
* The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} occur.
* Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of the island's settlement, except for the [[Pokémon Center]]. As a result, [[Blaine]], the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, relocates the gym to the nearby [[Seafoam Islands]].
* {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]], succeeding the former Team Rocket leader [[Giovanni]].
* {{ga|Red}} retreats to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
* Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}} types in the region of Kanto.


* [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when his {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a {{safari|Johto|new Safari Zone}} in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] is converted into a Radio Tower.
* A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
* Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
* A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].
* [[Professor Rowan]] returns to [[Sinnoh]] after four years.

'''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]]/{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}} ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]/{{gameabbrev8|BDSP}}):'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]:
** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with their [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon and challenges them as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact Giovanni, their former leader. They are defeated, and the new leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's Badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight Gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their Badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares them ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where they meet and challenges {{ga|Red}}.
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker,  their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight Gyms to gain the Badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{p|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion themself.
* [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

'''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
*The events of [[Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness]]:
** [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return to the [[Orre|Orre region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

'''Between {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] is completed.

'''Between [[Generation II]]/{{Gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part in Kanto returns to [[Unova]], intending to reform Team Rocket there despite its second defeat, as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
* [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]]/[[Johto]] [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
* {{tc|Scientist}} Dudley, a member of [[Team Plasma]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.
* Team Plasma steals [[Hugh's sister]]'s {{p|Purrloin}}, and [[Hugh]] swears to one day get it back.

'''12 years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
[[File:N {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}.jpg|thumb|250px|N and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}:
** {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}} along with their friends [[Cheren]] and [[Bianca]] receive their very first Pokémon in the bedroom of {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}'s house in [[Nuvema Town]] from [[Professor Juniper]]. The three decide to leave Nuvema Town and go on a journey across their region of [[Unova]], with Cheren wanting to learn as much about every kind of Pokémon possible and Bianca going against the wishes of her dad. Upon arriving in [[Accumula Town]] they encounter the nefarious [[Team Plasma]] who announce their plans for Pokémon liberation to separate Pokémon from humans. Hilbert/Hilda then battle Team Plasma's leader, a mysterious man known only as [[N]] who claims Pokémon are his friends. Hilbert/Hilda make a journey across the land of Unova challenging all eight Gyms and earning all eight Badges. After earning the eighth Badge, they travel to the {{un|Pokémon League}} where they defeat the Elite Four. Upon defeating the Elite Four, they discover that N has already defeated the Champion [[Alder]] and promptly summons his castle, destroying the Pokémon League Castle. [[Ghetsis]], one of the members of the [[Seven Sages]] reveals that he had the plan to separate people and Pokémon so that he could be the only person in the whole world with Pokémon. After defeating N and Ghetsis with {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} N becomes sorry for all his wrongdoing and flies off to distant lands on his dragon of legend. Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca continue their journey in Unova and get recruited by an undercover officer codenamed [[Looker]] to discover and arrest the remaining six of the Seven Sages. After the arrest of all six, Hilbert/Hilda returns to the Pokémon League, re-defeats the Elite Four, then challenges and defeats Alder, becoming Champion of Unova.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White}} and {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}}''':
* Hilbert/Hilda leaves Unova with their Dragon to look for N.
* Bianca officially becomes Professor Juniper's assistant.
* The Pokémon distribution of Unova changes drastically.
* [[Cilan]], [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Lenora]], and [[Brycen]] retire as Gym Leaders to train.
* Cheren, [[Roxie]], and [[Marlon]] become Gym Leaders.
* Alder retires as the Champion, and [[Iris]] takes his place.
* Five of the Seven Sages leave Team Plasma, and Ghetsis and [[Zinzolin]] form a new Team Plasma solely dedicated to conquering Unova.
* A landslide seals off {{rt|10|Unova}} and a majority of {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, forcing another {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} to be built. Another landslide seals off [[Challenger's Cave]].
* Significant construction occurs in Unova:
** The [[Cold Storage]] in the south of [[Driftveil City]] is replaced by the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** A section of the mountain near [[Undella Town]] is constructed into a new town called [[Lentimas Town]]
** {{tc|The Riches}} house in Undella Town is demolished, with new villas built in the town.
** The [[Marine Tube]] is built between Undella Town and [[Humilau City]], connecting the two.
** The [[Castelia Sewers]] are made accessible on Thumb Pier, which leads to Castelia's park, or when flooded, to Castelia's back alley.
* {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} moves to [[Vaniville Town]] in [[Kalos]] with their mother.

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White}} ([[Generation VI]])''':
[[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}} Encounter.png|thumb|250px|Encountering {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}:
** {{ga|Nate}}/{{ga|Rosa}} receives their first Pokémon from Bianca in their hometown of [[Aspertia City]]. Together with [[Hugh]], who hopes to take back his sister's Purrloin from Team Plasma, the duo takes on the new lineup of Gyms in the Unova region. After earning their seventh badge from [[Drayden]], Team Plasma attacks [[Opelucid City]], covering the city in unbreakable ice. The [[Shadow Triad]] takes the opportunity to steal the [[DNA Splicers]] from [[Opelucid Gym]]. Nate/Rosa and Hugh chase Team Plasma to [[Humilau City]], where after earning their final badge, they confront [[Zinzolin]], [[Colress]], and the Shadow Triad at the [[Giant Chasm]]. After the Triad releases Hugh's sister's Purrloin, now a {{p|Liepard}}, Hugh tells Nate/Rosa to go ahead and confront Team Plasma's leader, Ghetsis. Just before Ghetsis freezes Nate/Rosa alive with {{p|Kyurem}}'s {{m|Glaciate}}, [[N]] flies in on {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}}, saving them. However, Ghetsis uses Kyurem's power to turn Reshiram/Zekrom back into an orb, then uses the DNA Splicers to turn Kyurem into {{form|Kyurem|Black/White Kyurem}}. Nate/Rosa knocks out Kyurem, causing the two Dragon Pokémon to separate, then defeats an enraged Ghetsis. Thankful, N suggests that Nate/Rosa proceed to the Pokémon League. Heeding his words, Nate/Rosa ascend Victory Road, defeats the Elite Four, and emerges victorious in battle with the new Champion, Iris. After returning home, Hugh's sister thanks to the player for helping her big brother, and tells Nate/Rosa that she has been dreaming of a {{p|Zoroark}} calling Nate/Rosa's name. At Hugh's suggestion, Nate/Rosa returns to Victory Road, finding a Zoroark that leads them to the ruins of [[N's Castle]], where N and Reshiram/Zekrom challenge them to battle. After being defeated, N says goodbye to his dragon and releases it by asking it to turn back into an orb to give to Nate/Rosa. Nate/Rosa climbs to the top of [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and faces {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} again, this time, in an attempt to capture it.
**{{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} leave their home in [[Vaniville Town]] meeting [[Shauna]] and {{tt|{{ga|Serena}}/{{ga|Calem}}|The player character not chosen.}} who invite them to join them for a meeting in [[Aquacorde Town]]. {{ga|Calem}}, {{ga|Serena}} and [[Shauna]] receive their first Pokémon from [[Tierno]] and a Pokédex from [[Trevor]] on behalf of [[Professor Sycamore]]. After delivering a letter to their {{kal|Grace|Mom}} from Professor Sycamore, they head on an adventure traveling across [[Kalos]] challenging eight Gyms in order to earn eight Badges to then challenge the {{kal|Pokémon League}}. Along their journey, they come into contact with [[Team Flare]], an organization whose goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money. They try to do this by stealing [[fossil]]s from [[Glittering Cave]], siphoning electricity from the [[Kalos Power Plant]], stealing the Poké Balls from the [[Poké Ball Factory]] in [[Laverre City]], and attempting to agitate and capture an {{p|Abomasnow}}. Calem/Serena also encounters a mysterious giant called [[AZ]] on several occasions, the first being on [[Kalos Route 13]]. After earning their seventh badge from [[Olympia]], Calem/Serena are contacted by [[Lysandre]], a man introduced by Professor Sycamore, who reveals himself to be the leader of Team Flare and his intention to use the [[ultimate weapon]] to eliminate all life in the world. Calem/Serena battle Lysandre first in [[Lysandre Labs]] and again in the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]], before making their way down to the basement where they find {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}}/{{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}} and battle them, before battling against Lysandre once more. Even though Lysandre is defeated, and Calem/Serena and their friends reason with him, he still fires the ultimate weapon. The blast the weapon emits destroys it and buries Lysandre and the HQ, ultimately disbanding Team Flare. Calem/Serena then heads to the Pokémon League where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Diantha]], becoming {{pkmn|Champion}} of [[Kalos]]. After becoming Champion, Looker contacts {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} to help him fight crime in Lumiose City.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} and [[Generation VII]]''':
* [[Gladion]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{TP|Gladion|Type: Null}}.
* [[Sina]] and [[Dexio]] are sent to [[Alola]] by [[Professor Sycamore]] to follow {{p|Zygarde}}.
* {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue}} come to [[Alola]] to act as the bosses of the [[Battle Tree]].
* [[Grimsley]] and [[Colress]] come to [[Alola]].
* [[Lillie]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{p|Cosmog}}, [[nickname]]d [[Nebby]].

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} ([[Generation VII]])''':
[[File:Lillie and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}.png|thumb|x175px|Lillie and Nebby as a {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}]]
* The events of {{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}:
** {{ga|Elio}}/{{ga|Selene}} leaves their home on {{rt|1|Alola}} on a Pokémon journey three months after moving to the [[Alola]] region from Kanto. They receive their starter Pokémon from [[Hala]] and meet [[Lillie]] and [[Hau]]. Elio/Selene receives a [[Z-Ring]] at the festival inaugurating their [[island challenge]], consisting of seven trials and four grand trials in order to become the island challenge champion. Along the journey, they encounter a group called [[Team Skull]], whose members are misfits who failed the island challenge and aim to cause trouble, as well as another group called the [[Aether Foundation]], whose goal is to cure hurt Pokémon. After defeating the leader of Team Skull, [[Guzma]], at the [[Shady House]], Elio/Selene travel to [[Aether Paradise]], where they battle [[Lusamine]], the president of the Aether Foundation. Lusamine opens [[Ultra Wormhole]]s across Alola and enters one with Guzma. Elio/Selene and Lillie evolve [[Nebby]] into {{p|Solgaleo}}{{sup/7|S}}/{{p|Lunala}}{{sup/7|M}} at the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|S}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|M}} and travel into [[Ultra Space]], where Elio/Selene battles Lusamine again and bring her and Guzma back to Alola. Elio/Selene catches Solgaleo{{sup/7|S}}/Lunala{{sup/7|M}} after Lillie tells it that she isn't a Trainer. Elio/Selene climbs [[Mount Lanakila]] to its summit, the newly opened {{al|Pokémon League}}, where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Professor Kukui]], becoming the first {{pkmn|Champion}} of Alola. A festival is held in [[Iki Town]], and Lillie brings Elio/Selene to the [[Ruins of Conflict]] to battle {{p|Tapu Koko}}. The next day, Lillie leaves for Kanto to help her mother. The International Police contact Elio/Selene to investigate and catch the [[Ultra Beast]]s unleashed across Alola.
* The events of {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}:
** Events proceed similarly to the above, but Lusamine now seeks to aid the [[Ultra Recon Squad]] in stopping {{P|Necrozma}}. When Elio/Selene and Lillie reach the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|US}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|UM}}, they discover that Lusamine and Guzma have been defeated and Necrozma fuses with Nebby to become Dusk Mane Necrozma{{sup/7|US}}Dawn Wings Necrozma{{sup/7|UM}}. It is repelled, and Elio/Selene pursues it into [[Ultra Megalopolis]], where they find it has become Ultra Necrozma. Despite its incredible power, Ultra Necrozma is defeated and Nebby is freed from Necrozma's influence. Sometime after Elio/Selene becomes the Champion, the Aether Foundation is attacked by [[Team Rainbow Rocket]], which seeks to use the Aether Foundation's research to further their goals of multiversal conquest.

'''Between [[Generation VII]] and [[Generation VIII]]''':
* Research notes of {{p|Type: Null}} are stolen.<ref>Pokédex from Sword: ''Rumor has it that the theft of top-secret research notes led to a new instance of this Pokémon being created in the [[Galar]] region.''</ref>

'''Some time after [[Generation VII]] ([[Generation VIII]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Sword and Shield}} and its [[Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass|Expansion Pass]]:
** {{ga|Victor}}/{{ga|Gloria}} and [[Hop]] receive their [[starter Pokémon]] from [[Leon]], the undefeated {{pkmn|Champion}}, and meet a mysterious {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the [[Slumbering Weald]]. The two receive [[Pokédex]]es from [[Sonia]], [[Dynamax Band]]s from [[Professor Magnolia]], and [[endorsement]]s from Leon to enter the [[Galar League|Gym Challenge]]. They head on an adventure traveling across Galar challenging [[Gym]]s in order to earn eight [[Badge]]s to enter the Champion Cup. Over the course of their {{pkmn|journey}}, they encounter a group called [[Team Yell]], whose members support [[Marnie]] in the Gym Challenge. They also encounter another group called [[Macro Cosmos]], a conglomerate led by [[Rose]], who has endorsed his ward [[Bede]] in the Gym Challenge. During the Champion Cup in [[Wyndon Stadium]], Rose interrupts the Championship Match by reawakening {{p|Eternatus}} and bringing about the [[Darkest Day]] in an attempt to provide energy for the Galar region in 1,000 years. Victor/Gloria and Hop find a [[Rusted Sword]] and [[Rusted Shield]] and head to the [[Energy Plant]] in [[Hammerlocke]], where they battle Rose and summon {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}. After defeating it, Victor/Gloria manages to catch Eternatus and returns to [[Wyndon]] to defeat Leon in the Championship Match, becoming the new Champion of Galar.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Isle of Armor]], where they meet a new rival, [[Klara]]{{sup/8|Sw}}/[[Avery]]{{sup/8|Sh}}, and are taken under the wing of former Champion [[Mustard]] as a student of [[Master Dojo|his dojo]]. Victor/Gloria competes in a series of trials with their new rival, eventually defeating them in a final battle, earning them the right to inheirit the Dojo's "secret armor", the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Kubfu}}. After [[Friendship|bonding]] with each other, Victor/Gloria and Kubfu challenge one of the [[Towers of Two Fists]], culminating in a battle against Mustard and his own Kubfu. Victor/Gloria is successful, and Kubfu learns the secret of the tower, allowing it to [[Evolution|evolve]] into {{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Urshifu|Single Strike Style or Rapid Strike Style}} {{p|Urshifu}}.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Crown Tundra]], where they meet the retired [[Gym Leader]] [[Peony]], who recruits them as the leader of his exploration team, and tasks them with investigating three mysteries surrounding the tundra. In the [[Legendary Clue 1|first mystery]], Victor/Gloria meets {{p|Calyrex}}, the former king of the Crown Tundra, and helps it reunite with its steed, {{p|Glastrier}} or {{p|Spectrier}}. In the [[Legendary Clue 2|second mystery]], they investigate ruins scattered around the tundra, encountering and [[caught Pokémon|catching]] the [[Legendary titans]]. In the [[Legendary Clue 3|third mystery]], Victor/Gloria pursues and catches the {{rf|Galarian}} [[legendary birds]] across Galar. Upon solving these mysteries, Victor/Gloria finds a note describing a [[Legendary Clue?|fourth mystery]] that Peony does not recall writing. Upon bringing it to the [[Max Lair]], Victor/Gloria learns about [[Ultra Beast]]s and {{p|Necrozma}}, and is eventually able to catch Necrozma in a [[Dynamax Adventure]].
** After becoming Champion, Victor/Gloria and Hop stop the plans of [[Sordward]] and [[Shielbert]], who cause chaos around the region in their misguided attempt to restore the Galarian monarchy. In the process, Victor/Gloria catches one of the two Legendary Pokémon of Galar, and Hop sets out to be a [[Pokémon Professor]].
** After resolving the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, Victor/Gloria returns to the Master Dojo, where they find Hop conducting research on [[Sonia]]'s behalf. Mustard tells them that Urshifu hates the taste of {{DL|Master Dojo|Max Soup}}, so, in order for it to unlock its [[Gigantamax]] potential, a special ingredient is needed to make it drink the Max Soup. He doesn't reveal what this ingredient is, though, and leaves it to the duo to figure it out on their own. After a few bad guesses, Victor/Gloria and Hop travel to [[Honeycalm Island]], where Victor/Gloria gets thrust into a [[Max Raid Battle]] against a [[Dynamax]] {{p|Vespiquen}}. After defeating it, they find the missing ingredient: [[Max Honey]]. Upon returning to the dojo, Mustard informs Victor/Gloria that he wants to battle them in a no-holds-barred battle, where he uses his full power. In the battle, Mustard uses his own Gigantamax Urshifu. After being defeated, Mustard declares that he has nothing more to teach Victor/Gloria.
** After the events of the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, [[The Isle of Armor]], and [[The Crown Tundra]], Victor/Gloria receives a call on their [[Rotom Phone]] from Leon, who invites them and many other strong [[Pokémon Trainer]]s from Galar to a new type of competition called the [[Galarian Star Tournament]] (in which Trainers form duos and compete in [[Multi Battle]]s) at [[Wyndon Stadium]]. Victor/Gloria partners with [[Hop]] or [[Marnie]] in the inaugural tournament, and emerges victorious after defeating Leon and [[Raihan]] (if their partner is Hop) or Raihan and [[Piers]] (if their partner is Marnie) in the finals, after which Leon announces that further Galarian Star Tournaments will occur.

'''Some time after [[Generation VIII]] ([[Generation IX]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Scarlet and Violet}}.

==Trivia==
* The chronology of the {{pkmn|games}} was confirmed by [[Toshinobu Matsumiya]] on Twitter in May 2014, but the tweet was deleted shortly after.<ref>[http://archive.today/D9iPz archive.today] (archived from [https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 the original])</ref> No further comments on the tweet or its deletion have been made by [[Game Freak]] staff members.
* In {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and {{g|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}, the existence of [[Pokémon multiverse|multiple alternate universes]] is revealed.

==References==
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History of the Pokémon world

2022-12-24T22:15:33Z

IsaacBoi123: added the Pokemon timeline for Kanto. Later, I will add the timeline for Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, Alola, etc.

{{fan speculation}}
Below is a timeline of events in the '''history of the Pokémon world''', primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon games]], since these tend to also apply to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events for the anime series]] as well as [[Timeline of events in Pokémon Adventures|one for Pokémon Adventures]], both of which differ from that of the games.

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]]. It is not entirely clear if these legends are true or not, but there are many hints in the series that suggest that they are.

Please note that the timeline below is based on speculation and confirmed information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

==Timeline==
[[File:Kyogre Groudon legend.png|thumb|250px|The clash between Groudon and Kyogre as depicted in ancient paintings]]
===Beginning of the [[Pokémon universe]]===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.

* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|Egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first being in existence. Arceus then creates {{p|Dialga|time}}, {{p|Palkia|space}}, and {{p|Giratina|anti-matter}}. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia then succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]] and retreat into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.

* Arceus then creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".

* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]].

* Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The [[Red Orb|Red]] and [[Blue Orb]]s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, the only other Pokémon known to exist was {{p|Regigigas}}, and the {{p|Mew}} species.

* Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and creates the three titans, {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}}, out of clay, ice, and magma, respectively.

* The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world, and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the [[Adamant Orb|Adamant]], [[Lustrous Orb|Lustrous]], and [[Griseous Orb]]s before falling into a deep slumber.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil]]s and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

'''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] existed at this time. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species.

* 500 million years ago: {{p|Anorith}} is stated to have existed in primordial seas, with its eight legs at some point developing into its known eight wings.

* 300 million years ago: An ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. {{p|Kabuto}} and {{p|Kabutops}} lived in the sea.
** Team Plasma later used {{p|Genesect}}'s DNA to create an infinitely stronger version of it with cybernetic technology.

* An unspecified hundreds of millions of years ago: {{p|Carbink}} begins its undisturbed underground sleep after its birth. It was born from deep underground temperatures and pressures.

* 100 million years ago: Species such as {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Tirtouga}}, {{p|Archen}}, {{p|Tyrantrum}} and {{p|Amaura}} were supposedly widespread. They all ultimately went extinct, but not before Archen gave rise to bird Pokémon and Tirtouga gave rise to turtle Pokémon.
** A [[Root Fossil|fossil]] is found millions of years later in Hoenn and revived scientifically by the [[Devon Corporation]].
** {{p|Shellder}} is known to be the prey of {{p|Omastar}}.
** {{p|Carracosta}} and {{p|Archeops}} preyed on {{p|Omanyte}}. Only Carracosta is known to have eaten {{p|Omastar}}.

* {{p|Relicanth}} is said to have remained unchanged for over 100 million years.

* 3,000,000: The first humans appeared around this time.

* 1,000,000 years ago: The Great Crater of [[Paldea]] is created.

* 20,000 years ago:
** A meteorite containing {{p|Eternatus}} fell in the [[Galar]] region.
** The first {{p|Claydol}} was brought to life from a clay doll.

* 10,000 years ago:
** During the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.
** Oldest known mural depictions of [[Cyclizar]] being ridden by humans.

* At some point in the distant past, the {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates due to unknown reasons and becomes weaker.

* At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in the Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice, and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region after years of human worship.

* 5,000 years ago: [[Gogoat]] is domesticated & humans begin using them for transport.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{cat|Relic items}} are created.

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VI]]:'''
[[File:Ultimate Weapon.png|thumb|250px|AZ and the ultimate weapon]]
* The Kalos war occurred, the [[ultimate weapon]] was created underneath [[Geosenge Town]], and [[AZ]] was given eternal life. This sets a chain of events into motion that leads to the discovery of [[Mega Evolution]], as well as splitting the Pokémon timeline into two different multiverses, one where [[Mega Evolution]] exists, and another where Mega Evolution doesn't exist.

===Non-Mega Evolution Timeline===
In the Non-Mega Evolution timeline, no Kalos war had ever occurred. This timeline consists of [[Generation I]], [[Generation II]], [[Generation III]], [[Generation IV]], and [[Generation V]].
Many years pass, and People start to invent new technology, and [[Pokémon League|Pokémon Leagues]], [[Professor|Professors]], and more start to begin around each region.
'''Kanto'''
In the [[Kanto|Kanto region]], a Professor known as [[Professor Oak]] calls upon two trainers, [[Red]], from [[Pallet Town]], and his grandson, [[Blue]], from [[Viridian City]]. He explains to Red and Blue about the Pokémon world, and gives them both a mission: To complete the [[Pokédex]]. He gives them a Pokédex, then tells them to choose a [[Starter Pokémon]]. Red chooses {{p|Charmander}}, and Blue chooses {{p|Squirtle}}. The two then set out on their adventures. Red, learns about the Pokémon League, and challenges many different Gyms. Once he beats all 8 Gyms, he goes back to Prof. Oak, and Oak tells him to find and catch the Legendary Pokémon, {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, and {{p|Mewtwo}}. Red does this, and finishes the Pokédex, with the excepction of {{p|Mew}}.
Red then heads to [[Victory Road]], and challenges the [[Elite Four]], then becoming the League Champion.
'''Hoenn'''

'''3,000 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* A black storm called the [[Darkest Day]] occurred and was stopped by {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}.
* [[Melmetal]] is worshipped by ancient humans for its ability to create metal from nothing.

'''2,500 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The [[Relic Castle]] is built.
** The [[Dragonspiral Tower]] is known as Unova's oldest structure, though its age is unstated.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Conkeldurr}} is said to have taught humans how to make concrete using centrifugal force.

'''2,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Hoenn]] is plagued by meteor showers. A meteor turns the homeplace of the [[Draconid people]] into [[Meteor Falls]].
* The world overflowed with natural energy which {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, in their [[Primal Reversion|primal]] forms, fought over. They ravaged the earth and were only calmed by {{p|Rayquaza}} after the Draconid people summoned it using a wish on a meteor at Meteor Falls. The people of Hoenn begin to revere Rayquaza as a savior.

'''2,000 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
*The Paldean Empire began to rule Paldea.
* The emperor of Paldea ushers in the Great Age of Exploration by sending expeditions into The Great Crater of Paldea to find the treasure rumored to lie inside.

'''1,500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.
* The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.

'''c. 1,000-2,000 years before [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] (c. 1,300-2,300 years before [[Generation IV]]):'''
* An ancient society called the Celestica people lived in the Sinnoh region. They worshiped {{p|Arceus}} and built many structures which can still be found as ruins in the region in modern times, such as [[Solaceon Ruins]], [[Snowpoint Temple]], and [[Spear Pillar]].

'''1,000 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* A thousand years after the events at Meteor Falls, a meteor struck Hoenn, creating Sootopolis City. {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} reawakened to fight over the wellspring of primal energy which came from it. The people of Hoenn wished on {{p|Rayquaza}} to save them, and using the meteor, Rayquaza performed the world's first [[Mega Evolution]] and calmed the two. [[Sky Pillar]] was built in Rayquaza's honor, and the [[Draconid people]] promised to pass down the prophecy that in 1,000 years the meteor would return - causing the events of the [[Delta Episode]].

'''805 years before [[Generation IX]]:'''
* [[Naranja Academy]]/[[Uva Academy]] is founded in [[Mesagoza]].

'''800 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* {{p|Xerneas}} released life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to a forest, where it went to sleep in the form of a tree.
* {{p|Yveltal}} absorbed life energy throughout the Kalos region and fled to the mountains, where it went to sleep in the form of a cocoon.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|250px|Ecruteak City]]

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The [[Sinjoh Ruins]] are built by two groups of people, from Sinnoh and Johto's [[Ruins of Alph]]. The site's architecture expresses a fusion of the two group's ideas and mythology.

'''Hundreds of years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* [[Poké Ball]]s are invented.
* The [[Diamond Clan]] and [[Pearl Clan]] lived in the Hisui region. They share a deity called almighty Sinnoh, but argue whether it {{p|Palkia|created space}} or {{p|Dialga|created time}}.
* The [[Galaxy Expedition Team]] comprised of people from many regions arrived in Hisui to explore the land, document the Pokémon, and settle the region.
* The events of [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] occur.

'''c. 700 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation IV]]:'''
* A {{p|Spiritomb}} is bound to a fissure in an [[Odd Keystone]] as punishment for misdeeds.

'''c. 500 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* The [[guardian deities]] fought against {{p|Solgaleo}} and {{p|Lunala}}.
* {{p|Magearna}} is created by a scientist who used the life energy of other Pokémon to create its {{a|Soul-Heart}}, and is presented to a king's daughter.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented.<ref>'''[[Koga/Quotes|Koga]]:''' ''TM06 contains Toxic! It is a secret technique over 400 years old!''</ref>

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Azalea Town]] in [[Johto]] is struck by long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.

'''c. 400 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* {{p|Rolycoly}} is first discovered in a coal mine.

'''c. 300 years before {{pkmn|X and Y}}:'''
* [[Parfum Palace]] is built.

'''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[Village Bridge]] is constructed by a man and his {{p|Gurdurr}} after the river flooded the area.
* The island that would become [[Liberty Garden]] is bought by an ultra-rich family and {{p|Victini}} is hidden in a backroom.

'''c. 150 years before [[Generation II]]:'''
* [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]] while Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[Legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.

'''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* The warehouses of [[Nacrene City]] are constructed.
* {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].
* {{p|Roggenrola}} is discovered in an earthquake fissure.

'''1925'''
* Modern [[Poké Ball]]s are developed from the research of [[Professor Westwood V|Professor Westwood]] of [[Celadon University]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{p|Elgyem}} is seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the [[desert#In Unova|desert]].

'''c. 50 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* [[Mustard]] defeats [[Opal]] and becomes {{pkmn|Champion}} of Galar.

'''c. 40 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{p|Lunatone}} is seen for the first time in a crater.

'''c. 32 years before [[Generation VIII]]:'''
* Mustard is dethroned as Champion of the [[Galar League]] after an 18-year long victory streak, and retires soon after.

'''Several decades before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Sea Mauville]] is decommissioned after the closure of [[New Mauville]].

'''1969:'''
* [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|Humans land on the Moon for the first time]].<ref>'''Old Man:''' ''"July 20, 1969! Humankind first set foot on the moon that day. I bought a color TV just so I could watch that news."''</ref>

'''20 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* [[N]] is born.<ref name="BW age">[http://raim2005.blog18.fc2.com/blog-entry-980.html 【BW/BW2】ファンミーティング情報のまとめ blue skY]</ref><ref name="N and Cheren age">[http://pk-mn.com/n/b2w2-fan-meeting-n-nenrei/ 「ポケモンブラック２ホワイト２」のファンミーティングで、「N」や「チェレン」の年齢、怒ったNのイラストなどの設定資料が公開 (Japanese)]</ref><ref>Pash Monthly, May 2013, interview with Episode N director [https://archive.is/iQ3tR (archive of tweeted scan, Japanese)]</ref>

'''14-15 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
* {{ga|Hilbert}} is born.<ref name="BW age"/>
* {{ga|Hilda}} is born<ref name="BW age"/>
* [[Cheren]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/><ref name="N and Cheren age"/>
* [[Bianca]] is born.<ref name="BW age"/>

'''13-15 years prior to [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:'''
* [[Mina]] is born.<ref>[[Media:Mina LGPE concept art.png|Concept art]] from [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu!, Let's Go, Eevee!]].</ref>

'''12 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* {{ga|Brendan}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Brendan, ''12'', a Pokémon Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>
* {{ga|May}} is born.<ref>{{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}: ''Her name is May, aged ''12'', a Trainer from Littleroot Town.'' - {{DL|TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network}}</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* {{ga|Red}} is born.<ref>[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''You are an '''11 year-old''' boy living in Pallet Town with your mother.''"</ref>
* {{ga|Leaf}} is born.<ref name="Leaf age">{{ga|Red}} is stated to be 11-years-old according to Pokémon Blue's manual. Since Leaf is Red's female counterpart, this would presumably make her the same age as Red.</ref>
* {{ga|Blue}} is born.<ref name="Blue age">[http://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy//Manual/formated/Pokemon_-_Blue_Version_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf Pokémon Blue Version manual], page 2: "''He sees you as his rival because you are '''the same age''' and height.''"</ref>

'''11 years before [[Generation III]]:'''
* The [[Litleonids|Litleonid meteor shower]] passes by [[Hoenn]] for the last time prior to {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}.
* [[Hoenn TV|TV Mauville]] is founded.

'''11 years before [[Generation VII]]:'''
* {{ga|Elio}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age">[[Wicke]] asks if the player and [[Hau]] are around 11, the minimum age required to take on the Island Challenge, and the player can respond with "Yeah, I am" or "How'd you know?".</ref>
* {{ga|Selene}} is born.<ref name="Elio/Selene age"</>
* [[Hau]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''He's the '''same age''' as your character.''"</ref><ref>[[Hau/Quotes|Hau]]: "''Yeah, I took the first chance I had to join in the island challenge once I turned '''11'''!''"</ref>
* [[Lillie]] is born.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20161119143906/http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/ Official Pokémon Sun and Moon website (archived)]: "''This young girl is about '''the same age as your character''', and she's working as Professor Kukui’s assistant for personal reasons.''"</ref>

'''10 years before {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}:'''
* [[Wally]] is born.<ref>[[TV Mauville|Hoenn News Network]]: "''This remarkable '''10-year-old''' Trainer is originally from Petalburg City and is known to his friends and family as Wally.''"</ref>
* [[Pokémon Center]]s in [[Hoenn]] are remodeled, removing the second floor and the Pokémon Cable Club.

'''1995'''
* The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.<ref>According to the [[Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia]], Porygon was created in 1995.</ref>

'''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
* The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
* A {{p|Rotom}} inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:

'''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. {{p|Mewtwo}}, a clone of Mew, is born on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's Gym]] is declared the official Gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
* Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
* The [[Battle Resort]] opens in [[Hoenn]].
* [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] is torn down due to being old and creaky. During the process, the Radio Tower Director comes across the [[Clear Bell]], which he keeps for the time being. A new Goldenrod Radio Tower is built in its place.
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] begins.

'''Ten years prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Professor Sada]]{{sup/9|S}}/[[Professor Turo]]{{sup/9|V}} invents a time machine and bring [[Paradox Pokémon]] into the present, and is later killed by a second {{p|Koraidon}}{{sup/9|S}}/{{p|Miraidon}}{{sup/9|V}}.

'''A year and a half prior to [[Generation IX]]'''
* [[Nemona]] becomes the youngest Champion-class Trainer in Paldea.
* [[Team Star]] is formed.

'''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
* [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

'''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:
** {{ga|Red}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his Pokémon journey after his rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he then challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Network Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Olivine City]] in [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s daughter/son; however, later on, the rivalry is with [[Wally]] instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and calming {{p|Groudon}} or {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, they challenge and defeat Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion themself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

'''{{gameabbrev7|PE}}:'''
* The events of [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]:
** {{ga|Chase}}/{{ga|Elaine}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on their Pokémon journey after their rival, {{ga|Trace}}. After getting the eight [[Badge]]s of [[Kanto]], and defeating [[Team Rocket]] with the help of {{ga|Blue}} and Trace, along the way, they then challenge Kanto's [[Elite Four]] and compete for the title of Champion in one final battle with Trace. After defeating Trace, Chase/Elaine becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}. From there, they capture {{p|Mewtwo}} and meet {{ga|Green}}, a Trainer who had hoped to capture Mewtwo for herself. They also confront [[Archer]], an {{tc|Executive|admin}} of the remnants of Team Rocket, who challenges them to one last battle before swearing that he will avenge his boss, [[Giovanni]].

'''Between {{gen|I}}/{{gen|III}} and {{gen|II}}/{{gen|IV}}:'''
* [[Anabel]] enters an [[Ultra Wormhole]] and is found by [[Nanu]] and [[Looker]] in [[Alola]].
* The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} occur.
* Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of the island's settlement, except for the [[Pokémon Center]]. As a result, [[Blaine]], the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, relocates the gym to the nearby [[Seafoam Islands]].
* {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]], succeeding the former Team Rocket leader [[Giovanni]].
* {{ga|Red}} retreats to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as [[Fuchsia City]] [[Fuchsia Gym|Gym]] Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
* Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{t|Dark}} types in the region of Kanto.


* [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when his {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a {{safari|Johto|new Safari Zone}} in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
* The [[Pokémon Tower]] is converted into a Radio Tower.
* A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
* {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
* Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
* A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].
* [[Professor Rowan]] returns to [[Sinnoh]] after four years.

'''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]]/{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}} ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]/{{gameabbrev8|BDSP}}):'''
* The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]:
** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with their [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon and challenges them as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact Giovanni, their former leader. They are defeated, and the new leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's Badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight Gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their Badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares them ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where they meet and challenges {{ga|Red}}.
** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker,  their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight Gyms to gain the Badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{p|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion themself.
* [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

'''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
*The events of [[Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness]]:
** [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return to the [[Orre|Orre region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

'''Between {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* Construction of the [[Royal Unova]] is completed.

'''Between [[Generation II]]/{{Gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
* The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part in Kanto returns to [[Unova]], intending to reform Team Rocket there despite its second defeat, as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
* [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]]/[[Johto]] [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
* {{tc|Scientist}} Dudley, a member of [[Team Plasma]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.
* Team Plasma steals [[Hugh's sister]]'s {{p|Purrloin}}, and [[Hugh]] swears to one day get it back.

'''12 years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
[[File:N {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}.jpg|thumb|250px|N and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Zekrom|1=Reshiram}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}:
** {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}} along with their friends [[Cheren]] and [[Bianca]] receive their very first Pokémon in the bedroom of {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}'s house in [[Nuvema Town]] from [[Professor Juniper]]. The three decide to leave Nuvema Town and go on a journey across their region of [[Unova]], with Cheren wanting to learn as much about every kind of Pokémon possible and Bianca going against the wishes of her dad. Upon arriving in [[Accumula Town]] they encounter the nefarious [[Team Plasma]] who announce their plans for Pokémon liberation to separate Pokémon from humans. Hilbert/Hilda then battle Team Plasma's leader, a mysterious man known only as [[N]] who claims Pokémon are his friends. Hilbert/Hilda make a journey across the land of Unova challenging all eight Gyms and earning all eight Badges. After earning the eighth Badge, they travel to the {{un|Pokémon League}} where they defeat the Elite Four. Upon defeating the Elite Four, they discover that N has already defeated the Champion [[Alder]] and promptly summons his castle, destroying the Pokémon League Castle. [[Ghetsis]], one of the members of the [[Seven Sages]] reveals that he had the plan to separate people and Pokémon so that he could be the only person in the whole world with Pokémon. After defeating N and Ghetsis with {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} N becomes sorry for all his wrongdoing and flies off to distant lands on his dragon of legend. Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, and Bianca continue their journey in Unova and get recruited by an undercover officer codenamed [[Looker]] to discover and arrest the remaining six of the Seven Sages. After the arrest of all six, Hilbert/Hilda returns to the Pokémon League, re-defeats the Elite Four, then challenges and defeats Alder, becoming Champion of Unova.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White}} and {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}}''':
* Hilbert/Hilda leaves Unova with their Dragon to look for N.
* Bianca officially becomes Professor Juniper's assistant.
* The Pokémon distribution of Unova changes drastically.
* [[Cilan]], [[Chili]], [[Cress]], [[Lenora]], and [[Brycen]] retire as Gym Leaders to train.
* Cheren, [[Roxie]], and [[Marlon]] become Gym Leaders.
* Alder retires as the Champion, and [[Iris]] takes his place.
* Five of the Seven Sages leave Team Plasma, and Ghetsis and [[Zinzolin]] form a new Team Plasma solely dedicated to conquering Unova.
* A landslide seals off {{rt|10|Unova}} and a majority of {{OBP|Victory Road|Black and White}}, forcing another {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} to be built. Another landslide seals off [[Challenger's Cave]].
* Significant construction occurs in Unova:
** The [[Cold Storage]] in the south of [[Driftveil City]] is replaced by the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** A section of the mountain near [[Undella Town]] is constructed into a new town called [[Lentimas Town]]
** {{tc|The Riches}} house in Undella Town is demolished, with new villas built in the town.
** The [[Marine Tube]] is built between Undella Town and [[Humilau City]], connecting the two.
** The [[Castelia Sewers]] are made accessible on Thumb Pier, which leads to Castelia's park, or when flooded, to Castelia's back alley.
* {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} moves to [[Vaniville Town]] in [[Kalos]] with their mother.

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White}} ([[Generation VI]])''':
[[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}} Encounter.png|thumb|250px|Encountering {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Xerneas|1=Yveltal}}]]
* The events of {{2v2|Black|White|2}} and {{pkmn|X and Y}}:
** {{ga|Nate}}/{{ga|Rosa}} receives their first Pokémon from Bianca in their hometown of [[Aspertia City]]. Together with [[Hugh]], who hopes to take back his sister's Purrloin from Team Plasma, the duo takes on the new lineup of Gyms in the Unova region. After earning their seventh badge from [[Drayden]], Team Plasma attacks [[Opelucid City]], covering the city in unbreakable ice. The [[Shadow Triad]] takes the opportunity to steal the [[DNA Splicers]] from [[Opelucid Gym]]. Nate/Rosa and Hugh chase Team Plasma to [[Humilau City]], where after earning their final badge, they confront [[Zinzolin]], [[Colress]], and the Shadow Triad at the [[Giant Chasm]]. After the Triad releases Hugh's sister's Purrloin, now a {{p|Liepard}}, Hugh tells Nate/Rosa to go ahead and confront Team Plasma's leader, Ghetsis. Just before Ghetsis freezes Nate/Rosa alive with {{p|Kyurem}}'s {{m|Glaciate}}, [[N]] flies in on {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}}, saving them. However, Ghetsis uses Kyurem's power to turn Reshiram/Zekrom back into an orb, then uses the DNA Splicers to turn Kyurem into {{form|Kyurem|Black/White Kyurem}}. Nate/Rosa knocks out Kyurem, causing the two Dragon Pokémon to separate, then defeats an enraged Ghetsis. Thankful, N suggests that Nate/Rosa proceed to the Pokémon League. Heeding his words, Nate/Rosa ascend Victory Road, defeats the Elite Four, and emerges victorious in battle with the new Champion, Iris. After returning home, Hugh's sister thanks to the player for helping her big brother, and tells Nate/Rosa that she has been dreaming of a {{p|Zoroark}} calling Nate/Rosa's name. At Hugh's suggestion, Nate/Rosa returns to Victory Road, finding a Zoroark that leads them to the ruins of [[N's Castle]], where N and Reshiram/Zekrom challenge them to battle. After being defeated, N says goodbye to his dragon and releases it by asking it to turn back into an orb to give to Nate/Rosa. Nate/Rosa climbs to the top of [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and faces {{p|Reshiram}}/{{p|Zekrom}} again, this time, in an attempt to capture it.
**{{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} leave their home in [[Vaniville Town]] meeting [[Shauna]] and {{tt|{{ga|Serena}}/{{ga|Calem}}|The player character not chosen.}} who invite them to join them for a meeting in [[Aquacorde Town]]. {{ga|Calem}}, {{ga|Serena}} and [[Shauna]] receive their first Pokémon from [[Tierno]] and a Pokédex from [[Trevor]] on behalf of [[Professor Sycamore]]. After delivering a letter to their {{kal|Grace|Mom}} from Professor Sycamore, they head on an adventure traveling across [[Kalos]] challenging eight Gyms in order to earn eight Badges to then challenge the {{kal|Pokémon League}}. Along their journey, they come into contact with [[Team Flare]], an organization whose goal is to create a "beautiful and better" world while making money. They try to do this by stealing [[fossil]]s from [[Glittering Cave]], siphoning electricity from the [[Kalos Power Plant]], stealing the Poké Balls from the [[Poké Ball Factory]] in [[Laverre City]], and attempting to agitate and capture an {{p|Abomasnow}}. Calem/Serena also encounters a mysterious giant called [[AZ]] on several occasions, the first being on [[Kalos Route 13]]. After earning their seventh badge from [[Olympia]], Calem/Serena are contacted by [[Lysandre]], a man introduced by Professor Sycamore, who reveals himself to be the leader of Team Flare and his intention to use the [[ultimate weapon]] to eliminate all life in the world. Calem/Serena battle Lysandre first in [[Lysandre Labs]] and again in the [[Team Flare Secret HQ]], before making their way down to the basement where they find {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}}/{{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}} and battle them, before battling against Lysandre once more. Even though Lysandre is defeated, and Calem/Serena and their friends reason with him, he still fires the ultimate weapon. The blast the weapon emits destroys it and buries Lysandre and the HQ, ultimately disbanding Team Flare. Calem/Serena then heads to the Pokémon League where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Diantha]], becoming {{pkmn|Champion}} of [[Kalos]]. After becoming Champion, Looker contacts {{ga|Calem}}/{{ga|Serena}} to help him fight crime in Lumiose City.

'''Between {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} and [[Generation VII]]''':
* [[Gladion]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{TP|Gladion|Type: Null}}.
* [[Sina]] and [[Dexio]] are sent to [[Alola]] by [[Professor Sycamore]] to follow {{p|Zygarde}}.
* {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue}} come to [[Alola]] to act as the bosses of the [[Battle Tree]].
* [[Grimsley]] and [[Colress]] come to [[Alola]].
* [[Lillie]] flees [[Aether Paradise]] with a {{p|Cosmog}}, [[nickname]]d [[Nebby]].

'''Two years after {{2v2|Black|White|2}}/{{pkmn|X and Y}} ([[Generation VII]])''':
[[File:Lillie and {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}.png|thumb|x175px|Lillie and Nebby as a {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time:i}} mod 2}}|0=Solgaleo|1=Lunala}}]]
* The events of {{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}:
** {{ga|Elio}}/{{ga|Selene}} leaves their home on {{rt|1|Alola}} on a Pokémon journey three months after moving to the [[Alola]] region from Kanto. They receive their starter Pokémon from [[Hala]] and meet [[Lillie]] and [[Hau]]. Elio/Selene receives a [[Z-Ring]] at the festival inaugurating their [[island challenge]], consisting of seven trials and four grand trials in order to become the island challenge champion. Along the journey, they encounter a group called [[Team Skull]], whose members are misfits who failed the island challenge and aim to cause trouble, as well as another group called the [[Aether Foundation]], whose goal is to cure hurt Pokémon. After defeating the leader of Team Skull, [[Guzma]], at the [[Shady House]], Elio/Selene travel to [[Aether Paradise]], where they battle [[Lusamine]], the president of the Aether Foundation. Lusamine opens [[Ultra Wormhole]]s across Alola and enters one with Guzma. Elio/Selene and Lillie evolve [[Nebby]] into {{p|Solgaleo}}{{sup/7|S}}/{{p|Lunala}}{{sup/7|M}} at the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|S}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|M}} and travel into [[Ultra Space]], where Elio/Selene battles Lusamine again and bring her and Guzma back to Alola. Elio/Selene catches Solgaleo{{sup/7|S}}/Lunala{{sup/7|M}} after Lillie tells it that she isn't a Trainer. Elio/Selene climbs [[Mount Lanakila]] to its summit, the newly opened {{al|Pokémon League}}, where they defeat the [[Elite Four]] and [[Professor Kukui]], becoming the first {{pkmn|Champion}} of Alola. A festival is held in [[Iki Town]], and Lillie brings Elio/Selene to the [[Ruins of Conflict]] to battle {{p|Tapu Koko}}. The next day, Lillie leaves for Kanto to help her mother. The International Police contact Elio/Selene to investigate and catch the [[Ultra Beast]]s unleashed across Alola.
* The events of {{pkmn|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}:
** Events proceed similarly to the above, but Lusamine now seeks to aid the [[Ultra Recon Squad]] in stopping {{P|Necrozma}}. When Elio/Selene and Lillie reach the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|US}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|UM}}, they discover that Lusamine and Guzma have been defeated and Necrozma fuses with Nebby to become Dusk Mane Necrozma{{sup/7|US}}Dawn Wings Necrozma{{sup/7|UM}}. It is repelled, and Elio/Selene pursues it into [[Ultra Megalopolis]], where they find it has become Ultra Necrozma. Despite its incredible power, Ultra Necrozma is defeated and Nebby is freed from Necrozma's influence. Sometime after Elio/Selene becomes the Champion, the Aether Foundation is attacked by [[Team Rainbow Rocket]], which seeks to use the Aether Foundation's research to further their goals of multiversal conquest.

'''Between [[Generation VII]] and [[Generation VIII]]''':
* Research notes of {{p|Type: Null}} are stolen.<ref>Pokédex from Sword: ''Rumor has it that the theft of top-secret research notes led to a new instance of this Pokémon being created in the [[Galar]] region.''</ref>

'''Some time after [[Generation VII]] ([[Generation VIII]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Sword and Shield}} and its [[Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass|Expansion Pass]]:
** {{ga|Victor}}/{{ga|Gloria}} and [[Hop]] receive their [[starter Pokémon]] from [[Leon]], the undefeated {{pkmn|Champion}}, and meet a mysterious {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the [[Slumbering Weald]]. The two receive [[Pokédex]]es from [[Sonia]], [[Dynamax Band]]s from [[Professor Magnolia]], and [[endorsement]]s from Leon to enter the [[Galar League|Gym Challenge]]. They head on an adventure traveling across Galar challenging [[Gym]]s in order to earn eight [[Badge]]s to enter the Champion Cup. Over the course of their {{pkmn|journey}}, they encounter a group called [[Team Yell]], whose members support [[Marnie]] in the Gym Challenge. They also encounter another group called [[Macro Cosmos]], a conglomerate led by [[Rose]], who has endorsed his ward [[Bede]] in the Gym Challenge. During the Champion Cup in [[Wyndon Stadium]], Rose interrupts the Championship Match by reawakening {{p|Eternatus}} and bringing about the [[Darkest Day]] in an attempt to provide energy for the Galar region in 1,000 years. Victor/Gloria and Hop find a [[Rusted Sword]] and [[Rusted Shield]] and head to the [[Energy Plant]] in [[Hammerlocke]], where they battle Rose and summon {{p|Zacian}} and {{p|Zamazenta}}. After defeating it, Victor/Gloria manages to catch Eternatus and returns to [[Wyndon]] to defeat Leon in the Championship Match, becoming the new Champion of Galar.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Isle of Armor]], where they meet a new rival, [[Klara]]{{sup/8|Sw}}/[[Avery]]{{sup/8|Sh}}, and are taken under the wing of former Champion [[Mustard]] as a student of [[Master Dojo|his dojo]]. Victor/Gloria competes in a series of trials with their new rival, eventually defeating them in a final battle, earning them the right to inheirit the Dojo's "secret armor", the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Kubfu}}. After [[Friendship|bonding]] with each other, Victor/Gloria and Kubfu challenge one of the [[Towers of Two Fists]], culminating in a battle against Mustard and his own Kubfu. Victor/Gloria is successful, and Kubfu learns the secret of the tower, allowing it to [[Evolution|evolve]] into {{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Urshifu|Single Strike Style or Rapid Strike Style}} {{p|Urshifu}}.
** Sometime during their journey, Victor/Gloria travels to the [[Crown Tundra]], where they meet the retired [[Gym Leader]] [[Peony]], who recruits them as the leader of his exploration team, and tasks them with investigating three mysteries surrounding the tundra. In the [[Legendary Clue 1|first mystery]], Victor/Gloria meets {{p|Calyrex}}, the former king of the Crown Tundra, and helps it reunite with its steed, {{p|Glastrier}} or {{p|Spectrier}}. In the [[Legendary Clue 2|second mystery]], they investigate ruins scattered around the tundra, encountering and [[caught Pokémon|catching]] the [[Legendary titans]]. In the [[Legendary Clue 3|third mystery]], Victor/Gloria pursues and catches the {{rf|Galarian}} [[legendary birds]] across Galar. Upon solving these mysteries, Victor/Gloria finds a note describing a [[Legendary Clue?|fourth mystery]] that Peony does not recall writing. Upon bringing it to the [[Max Lair]], Victor/Gloria learns about [[Ultra Beast]]s and {{p|Necrozma}}, and is eventually able to catch Necrozma in a [[Dynamax Adventure]].
** After becoming Champion, Victor/Gloria and Hop stop the plans of [[Sordward]] and [[Shielbert]], who cause chaos around the region in their misguided attempt to restore the Galarian monarchy. In the process, Victor/Gloria catches one of the two Legendary Pokémon of Galar, and Hop sets out to be a [[Pokémon Professor]].
** After resolving the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, Victor/Gloria returns to the Master Dojo, where they find Hop conducting research on [[Sonia]]'s behalf. Mustard tells them that Urshifu hates the taste of {{DL|Master Dojo|Max Soup}}, so, in order for it to unlock its [[Gigantamax]] potential, a special ingredient is needed to make it drink the Max Soup. He doesn't reveal what this ingredient is, though, and leaves it to the duo to figure it out on their own. After a few bad guesses, Victor/Gloria and Hop travel to [[Honeycalm Island]], where Victor/Gloria gets thrust into a [[Max Raid Battle]] against a [[Dynamax]] {{p|Vespiquen}}. After defeating it, they find the missing ingredient: [[Max Honey]]. Upon returning to the dojo, Mustard informs Victor/Gloria that he wants to battle them in a no-holds-barred battle, where he uses his full power. In the battle, Mustard uses his own Gigantamax Urshifu. After being defeated, Mustard declares that he has nothing more to teach Victor/Gloria.
** After the events of the incident with Sordward and Shielbert, [[The Isle of Armor]], and [[The Crown Tundra]], Victor/Gloria receives a call on their [[Rotom Phone]] from Leon, who invites them and many other strong [[Pokémon Trainer]]s from Galar to a new type of competition called the [[Galarian Star Tournament]] (in which Trainers form duos and compete in [[Multi Battle]]s) at [[Wyndon Stadium]]. Victor/Gloria partners with [[Hop]] or [[Marnie]] in the inaugural tournament, and emerges victorious after defeating Leon and [[Raihan]] (if their partner is Hop) or Raihan and [[Piers]] (if their partner is Marnie) in the finals, after which Leon announces that further Galarian Star Tournaments will occur.

'''Some time after [[Generation VIII]] ([[Generation IX]])''':
* The events of {{pkmn|Scarlet and Violet}}.

==Trivia==
* The chronology of the {{pkmn|games}} was confirmed by [[Toshinobu Matsumiya]] on Twitter in May 2014, but the tweet was deleted shortly after.<ref>[http://archive.today/D9iPz archive.today] (archived from [https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 the original])</ref> No further comments on the tweet or its deletion have been made by [[Game Freak]] staff members.
* In {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} and {{g|Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon}}, the existence of [[Pokémon multiverse|multiple alternate universes]] is revealed.

==References==
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Hello! I am a HUGE FAN of Pokémon. My favourite Pokémon is [[Psyduck (Pokémon)|Psyduck]]! I also love [[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|Slowpoke]], [[Snorlax (Pokémon)|Snorlax]], and LOTS MORE!!
==Info==
*I am a Male.
*I LOVE video games
*Birthday is December 30th
*Favourite Color is Pink
*Favourite Animal is a Duck.
==My Favourite Pokémon==
*[[Psyduck]]
*[[Quaxly]]
*[[Ducklett]]
*[[Golduck]]
*[[Slowpoke]]
*[[Slowbro]]
*[[Snorlax]]
*[[Sudowoodo]]
*[[Ditto]]
*[[Alolan Exeggutor]]
*[[Meowth]]
*[[Galarian Meowth]]
*[[Armarouge]]
*[[Galarian Slowbro]]
*[[Greninja]]
*[[Lucario]]
*[[Blaziken]]
*[[Charizard]]
*[[Blastoise]]
*[[Bellibolt]]
*[[Politoed]]
*[[Jigglypuff]]
*[[Wigglytuff]]
*[[Zeraora]]
*[[Mew]]
*[[Mewtwo]]
*[[Diancie]]
*[[Decidueye]]
*[[Emboar]]
*[[Oshawott]]
*[[Bulbasaur]]
*[[Charmander]]
*[[Squirtle]]
*[[Cyndaquil]]
*[[Fuecoco]]
*[[Sableye]]
*[[Necrozma]]
*[[Arceus]]
*[[Unown]]
*[[Pheromosa]]
*[[Guzzlord]]
*[[Blacephalon]]
*[[Kartana]]
*[[Buzzwole]]
*[[Xurkitree]]
*[[Poipole]]
*[[Naganadel]]
*[[Stakataka]]
*[[Nihilego]]
*[[Miltank]]
*[[Rowlet]]
*[[Mudkip]]
*[[Torchic]]
*[[Treecko]]
*[[Piplup]]
*[[Chimchar]]
*[[Turtwig]]
*[[Zapdos]]
*[[Galarian Zapdos]]
and lots more

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 13

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IsaacBoi123: Replied

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== Suggestions ==

Hi! Where could I submit suggestions for the editorial board to consider? I've just finished completing the learnsets for every move in LA and with that I'd like to drastically overhaul/simplify how the move learnset templates look. It'd be a lot of work, but there is plenty of time until the next games. I already discussed the matter with [[User:SnorlaxMonster]] who broadly supported it, so I'd like to start the official process of having my suggestions evaluated/fine-tuned/accepted. You can find everything you need to know [[User:Oneofthosedf/Sandbox|in my sandbox]].

Another suggestion would be using galleries when we list the confirmed Pokémon an artist has designed. This seems pretty straight-forward to me, I hope I don't need to list reasons as to why. It would really help people understand and appreciate the artists more.

[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 20:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

:Could I at least get an answer? Or could you redirect me to a person who can help me with the process?

: '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]] 15:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
::Apologies for the late response. I'll briefly go over your points. Point 1 and 4 seem to go hand in hand, I wouldn't mind using the sugimori artwork in favor of the menusprites for single image templates. Using them for a list makes the template look larger than it needs to be, so menusprites (being smaller) works better imo. As for the types, the older ones are preferred because the text is larger than those on the newer symbols. The new symbol may look nicer but it doesn't help those unaware of what those smbol represents.
::For points 2 and 3, Maahirmomtaz is in the wrong here. I have no idea why they are making those edits and someone should ask them why on their talk page. If they doesn't respond, then staff can make them respond. Using the sup template for game specific moves is indeed how we do things. Though I do agree that it has recently gotten ridiculous, and your templates are indeed a better way of showing them. I don't think having both games and generations in one header would be confusing, as long as the reader understands the purpose of such layout.
::For point 5, I'm 50/50 on it. I think they should be separated for being completely different learning methods, but I can understand merging them to save space.
::As for the galleries, eh. We don't do that for voice actor articles, so I don't think it's worth doing it for the designer articles. Just bloats the article up, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response. I hope I didn't come off as arrogant, but I'm just used to sending a reminder to offices IRL. There was no frustration behind it.
:::The two points that I care about most are #3 and #5, the ones that would require the most work and the ones that are most needed. I'll address all of them one by one briefly.
:::'''1:''' I just think the different line heights look pretty jarring. Consistency is always the best, and considering we can fix all the templates that use menusprites this easily, it should be done. I do dislike that all of them need to be 68x68, but that's life. Nothing we can do about that (unless of course we move away from pixel art, which gives us endless sclability options).
:::'''2&3:''' I think they noticed the situation getting ridiculous as well. If my suggestions are accepted, we would only need to use the superscripts for the few forms and new Pokémon that were introduced in Pt, B2W2, ORAS and USUM. I trust the reader will understand it. But we can always leave a note in the footer explaining that Gen VII and Gen VIII needed to be broken up.
:::'''4:''' I think the era of menusprites is over. We'll inevitably get confirmation in a few months when the SV trailers start to showcase some gameplay. But neither BDSP nor LA uses them anymore. I think it's done. Consistency is always the best move, and a core quality of Bulbapedia. I love the spritework personally, but they don't look as good on the Switch as they do on Bulbapedia. We can't keep using menusprites and the LA headshots with whatever SV will introduce, then a possible fourth artstyle by the end of 2023. I understand the issue with the Sugimori artworks taking up too much place, but technically they wouldn't. There would be just less white spaces. I pray for a game where every Pokémon is available again (mainly for this reason), but until then the Sugimori artworks are the only thing every Pokémon has (Eiscue forms and Galarian Zen Darmanitan don't need to be incldued, thankfully). I also don't think they look bad, I can try making a longer list with 100+ Pokémon if that's something you think would be more convincing.
:::'''4:''' As for the type bars, I'm not sure that I understand your complaint. I don't see why we'd need to use the ones from 2006. AFAIK the Fairy type bars are fan-made. My sandbox displays the version with the type names. They are perfectly legible, and the symbols aren't too small either. The colors broadly fit the colors Bulbapedia uses as well. We should move away from pixel art, because monitors with higher resolutions don't accommodate them too well. I need to zoom out a whole lot for them to look crisp. Ironically the type bars I am using are now obsolete as well, BDSP, LA and SV use a new version, so I shall implement those (though I'd need permission to remove the dead space around them).
:::'''5:''' This is partly about future-proofing, partly about reducing bloat, and partly about displaying information as neatly as possible. I am certain we will get new learning/tutoring methods later down the line, and we don't need another section for Giga Drain with 300+ entries that contains the same information. It also addressed the issue with moves that keep going for TMs to tutors to TRs, then back to tutors, etc. I don't think it would be confusing at all.
:::'''Galleries:''' I wouldn't want them to be used on voice actor pages either, utterly useless IMO. I think there is a stronger argument for displaying artworks on the pages of the designers. A list just feels lifeless, while a gallery feels respectful to the artists, and helps users understand their design philosophy.
:::I want to get as much input from experienced users as possible. I really want these changes to accommodate everyone, since I think this is the way going forward and something no other big sites have. How should I go about gaining supporters for this? I refrained from writing individual community members as I feel that constitutes as spam. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 12:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Your posts doesn't seem arrogant or confrontational at all. I can understand wanting to bump a discussion when an admin doesn't respond to it. If you want to reach out to more users but not spam multiple talk pages, you can always use the [[Editor's hub]] talk page. Though going to a staff member works just as well, as they will most likely relay the message onto the other staff members in the staff discord.
::::1: Nothing we can do if the images are of varying sizes. We can't expand the smallest menusprite to be the same size as the largest menusprite.
::::2/3: Seems we are in agreement on this. I don't mind separate columns within a generation for separate games.
::::4: I was actually under the impression that the artwork would make the other cells have more whitespace than needed as opposed to menusprites, but checking now, doesn't seem to be the case. Probably is more ideal looking comparing the two again.
::::4: As for the types, (if I remember correctly) that was what was mentioned as the reason for using the older type images in a staff chat. The text would appear too small in the size we would have them, as opposed to the older images where the text were essentially the image. It's probably fine for mobile, but not so much for desktop.
::::5: Yeah, not entirely against reducing repeated information, so I won't be bother if we do decide to merge them together.
::::Galleries: That's understandable. I think having the images be smaller would change my mind, just having them how it is on your page makes it seem cluttered.
::::And just a couple points about your templates: I think leaving the tutor/tm/tr row white works best to avoid color clashes (using EP for IoA may or may not be confused with CT, unless there's not much of a difference in movesets), and leaving out games where the move isn't coded in makes sense (though I think a note in the footnote might be best to avoid confused users asking questions).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::1: I was thinking about what we have on the [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl]] page. The version-exclusive list already uses the Moveevtrytm template, so we'd only need to change the headers (I think). The images are not altered, only centered. I am not exactly sure which part of the code makes them appear this way, but you can't deny that it looks more cohesive.
:::::4: Here is an image (https://imgur.com/n0czury) I want you to look at. I use 2560x1440 monitors and at default zoom, everything on Bulbapedia appears to me as it does in the bottom row. Amazing for artworks. So much detail. Terrible for spritework, unfortunately. In order to enjoy them, I need to use 80% zoom (the standard for smaller resolutions), which makes everything tiny. You can also compare the readability of the type bars on the image. Exact same font height. I think one can read both just fine. By completely getting rid of spritework, we now have a zoom-proof wiki. People who are hard of seeing can now freely zoom in without the fear of blurry pixelart. So my proposal actually accommodates readability, if you think about it. It also shows that we don't need to stick with 68px, we can go smaller, if we want to further reduce scrolling. Or we can use 70px on move pages, but go with 50px for the headers on Pokémon pages. Endless possibilities. It would need some manual work, since the naming conventions for menusprites and Sugimori artwork are different, but that's part of future-proofing.
:::::Galleries: Okay, I'll make some variations. I just used the default Bulbapedia gallery, I'm fine with scaling down.
:::::IoA is unfortunately completely unreadable on a white background, and since it's neither a game, neither a separate DLC, using the EP superscript is more accurate. We don't list the tutor locations on the move pages (not in this case), so it doesn't matter whether it's obvious that the tutors are available on the IoA or the CT. Anyone who has access to one of them, automatically can access the other. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 15:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::1:The way it's done on the bdsp article is indeed good, that's because the moveentry template has the image align-centered and at a height of 70px. I should note that I'm under the impression that the problem here is the size discrepancy between menusprites, hence "Nothing we can do if the images are of varying sizes." The LA menusprites, on the other hand, would lean me towards using sugimori art due to them being way different than the usual menusprites.
::::::4:Seems you're using a slightly bigger screen that me. But still, for me at least, menusprites or sugimori artwork still look completely fine regardless of 80% or 100% scale. But I am leaning towards sugimori art. As for type images, I still stand by using the older ones. Same as the menusprite vs artwork, I personally can see both just fine regardless of scale, but the text of the newer images being slightly squished to make way for the symbol wuld make it slightly harder to read.
::::::Galleries: They look fine now. TRG didn't really need to add examples of other designers, just one example is fine. If you are fine with the approval of one admin, you can go ahead and add the galleries.
::::::Fair enough, I don't have much else to say about the templates design wise, so they're fine by me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks, my next post will be on the [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Editor's Hub]]. I am 100% on the side of using Sugimori, so I'm happy with your replies. My original idea for the type bars was just to use the highlighted texts we use everywhere else on Bulbapedia. I don't know if their implementation is feasible, but I'll ask around and if it is, I'll throw it in the suggestion. I'm thinking of something like this (visual edit, not coded): https://imgur.com/msd1Gzi. I'll go ahead and add the galleries, and I'm thankful for TRG, because they did save me a lot of work. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 14:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Hey! I finally posted my full suggestion on the [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Editor's Hub]]. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 22:20, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

== Designers ==

I had a thought that it would be nicer to find all designers by giving them navigation infobox. I made it here, can I add it? [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Team_Rocket_Grunt&oldid=3489199#Designer_Template]--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
:Sure. Surprised we don't already have a category for them as well, though both a nav box and category would probably be redundant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 12:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

== Reverting literally all of my edits ==

ForceFire, why are you reverting literally all of my edits you notice? You seem to be biased against me like I'm an undercover Soviet (which I am NOT!). Can you please explain this? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 18:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:I monitor the recent changes regularly and check edits that catch my attention, especially if it's a user that has made problematic edits in the past. You are not the first user that I have monitored the edits of.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

But why are you calling literally all my edits problematic? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 19:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:Because you've either A)[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Earth_Power_(move)&diff=prev&oldid=3487028 added] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Flygon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=3476113 very] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Giratina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=3387459 unnotable] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=May_(anime)&diff=prev&oldid=3463623 trivia] B) [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences&diff=prev&oldid=3490879 constantly] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_form_differences&diff=prev&oldid=3490878 reverted] edits, i.e. edit war or C) [[Talk:Pokémon controversy#Highly Risky/Inappropriate Website Link|Have very]] [[Talk:Gender#Inappropriate citation|extreme views]] [[Bulbapedia_talk:General disclaimer#Wikipedia links|on things]] that we can't control. That's why your edits are "problematic" and are worth monitoring.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, I'll have you know that I have religious beliefs against sexuality and that's why I've tried to sex-proof Bulbapedia by removing links like that.

Second, my edit on the form difference page was a legitimate edit because there are Pokemon that change HP stay based on their formes, such as Zygarde. It says on there "other than HP" which is genuinely incorrect.

Third, you are right that I should not be adding personal opinions like my similarities to May or that Giratina is my favorite Pokemon, but some people do legitimately mistake Flygon for a Pseudo-legendary, for example. I added that piece of information specifically because I've had people say to me that Flygon among a few others is a Pseudo-legendary, and I even specified why in the trivia it was not.

At this point I think you are completely biased against me, whether it's because of stupid mistakes I did make or simply because you disagree with me, but that is no reason to treat me this way. I've been treated this way by too many people in my life and I'm tired of it. I've already mentioned this to a member of the editorial board in fact. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 22:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:The fact that most of your edits were reverted by me is just a consequence of me monitoring the recent changes and checking edits of users that have made problematic edits in the past. You are not the first, nor are you the only, nor will you be the last user whose edits I monitor from the recent changes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

== Pages for analysis ==

Hello, I'm sending this message to ask about the possibility that these pages here meet requirements to go to mainspace. Boldore's page, I think, will fulfill the requirements from Friday's episode. I'm also sending a link with a shortcut to some Trainer templates for some characters, I know some of them don't meet the requirements, but probably one or two might work.

The other two are from events that happened and don't have pages, I tried to follow the same pattern as other events in the anime. I'm sending mainly because I have a lot of pages to be mounted in my userspace, and I want to try to reduce that amount.

* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Mewtwo (game)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Boldore]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Ash Ketchum (A Ripple in Time)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Pokémon Flower Arrangement]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Sinnoh Fair]]
* [[User:Hikaru_Wazana#Templates|Templates]]

There are some from other users, i hope I don't have a problem with that, which I also wanted to know if it was possible to be analyzed.

* [[User:Pikablu/Gladion’s Zoroark]]
* [[User:05308/Professor Sycamore's Garchomp]]
* [[User:Lockheedpryde/Francois]]

These are pages that I helped in some sections and that I wanted to work on more, but as they are pages of other users, I don't know if something can be done without their consent. And some of them aren't often here, so there's little point in trying to get in touch.

I thank you in advance.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 03:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:Mewtwo's role in the game is not as notable or important to the plot of its game as Arceus is to Legends. Not every Pokemon is a sliver of importance in a game is notable for its own article. And adding its appearance in other media doesn't make it notable.
:Goh's Boldore would be notable, regardless of its role in the next episodes, as it had an important role in a previous episode.
:I think the Ash article is fine.
:Both Flower Arrangement and Sinnoh Fair would need a bit of cleanup, some external link template at the bottom, and they're good.
:For the Anime character Pokemon tmeplates, we only makes them when one of their Pokemon has an article and if they have more than one Pokemon. So only Cynthia, Korrina, Brandon, Clair, Volkner, and Barry are fine. The Adventures template seems fine, but best to ask someone who edits to manga section for their opinion.
:All three are fine.
:As for [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Darkest Day (anime)|these]] [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Project Mew (Mission Regis)|two]]. These are not notable. Quality over Quantity. They are too small to be articles. We want fully fleshed articles, not articles that are a couple of paragraphs surrounded by colorful templates.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Can I be transferring these pages that you approved to the mainspace? I asked BigDocFan for help, not to exceed my daily personal edit limit. And I'll be working on the details you mentioned that need to be done in the others.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::You can move the pages/templates that I gave approved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::None of Volkner's Pokémon have a page. Why is his template approved? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::Oh, could've sworn one of his Pokemon had an article, then yeah, that isn't notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Boldore is unable to be moved, can you solve this?I was going to wait until Friday, but since we're doing it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Boldore will be moved once the episode has aired as it technically still hasn't appeared in three episodes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think whoever moved the Volkner template got confused. Anyway, I think it can be reversed, no?
'''''Boldore will be moved once the episode has aired as it technically still hasn't appeared in three episodes.'''''
::::::::::::::OK everything is fine. Thanks for the feedback.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Does the template requiring only one Pokémon apply only to the anime? Because this template [[User:Animaltamer7/Whitley's Pokémon]] otherwise qualifies. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::I think this one is the same as the Adventures template, Rahl. It has to be discussed with someone who takes care of the manga part of the site.

::Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you, Force Fire and everyone. I saw that it took some extra work to make all the changes. Next time I'll try not to accumulate so as not to generate extra work for the whole team. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:30, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:::The rule should apply to both manga and anime character's Pokemon. That one should be fine, as she has more than one Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Great. Thank you. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:I'm guessing none of Volkner's Pokemon are considered worthy enough for their own page, Electivire and Luxray seem worthy but haven't done much besides battling.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Electivire's role is bigger in the manga than in the anime, in Adventures, Volkner uses it to face Giratina, train {{adv|Platinum}} and among other things. I thought about making a page of it from this version, but apparently in the manga characters pages, the notability rule is different. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::[[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Manga/Manga Pokémon notability policy|See here for Manga notability requirements]]. I'm not knowledgeable on the manga, so best ask someone that is for their opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

==Goh's Boldore==
Now that JN102, can Boldore be mainspaced, if so could you do it because of the redirect link. Also, Boldore was shown to withstand Sheer Cold so can we take this as it having the ability Sturdy?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::I already realized that, I [[Talk:List_of_Goh%27s_Pok%C3%A9mon#Boldore.27s_Ability|opened]] a discussion about Boldore's ability before. It's not the first time Goh has used Boldore's stamina for something in the anime, for me there is no doubt that this Pokémon's ability is Sturdy.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 11:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::I think Sturdy's depiction of a Pokemon withstanding attacks is too vague to make an educated guess, many, ''many'', Pokemon have withstood attacks and a majority don't have Sturdy. So Sturdy is an ability that needs to be explicitly mentioned.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Isn't the fact it was the only one to withstand Sheer Cold not enough proof? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::I don't recall if ohko moves have been explicitly referred to as such in the anime, or if the concept of move being an ohko move exists, so Sheer Cold could just be seen as any other move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Eternatus ==
So yesterday I added more info to Goh's Eternatus page, as I thought it should cover Eternatus as the Darkest Day. Do you think it's a good idea to rename the page to something like Eternatus (Darkest Day) and re-add the info?--[[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 11:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:I think there being a manga version of Goh's specific Eternatus makes it more "unique", as in it's not just any random Eternatus. I don't think a separate article for the one specific game Eternatus is needed, that can be put in their respective sections in their respective articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Pages for deletion ==

I saw you deleting some pages in the RC's, so could you take a look at other {{cat|pages to be deleted}}? I think they're sitting there and the staff didn't make a backlog of these pages.

The pages about battle facility Pokémon in that category can be deleted because these have been replaced. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 20:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:Staff will get to the articles in those categories, and any other categories of similar nature, when they can. We have lives. No need to get all worried and panicky about this sort of stuff.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== evkl's welcome template ==

I think I realize by now that I could have just copied my own version to my own userspace and do the modifications there, right?

I did so because the current version of the welcome template has an issue with the signature field. Specifically, it [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810939859585597441/954752642033266748/Screenshot_20220319-150011.png breaks on mobile devices], so I wanted to create a non-breaking version. (My custom CSS has that all tables are to have {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|border-collapse}} set to {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|separate}}, so it might look different for you). --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 14:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
:Regular/casual users aren't going to find it anyway. It doesn't matter.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
::Okay. I decided to just have my own version [[User:Bfdifan2006/Welcome|in my own userspace]], but with the content matching the one in evkl's version (for consistency). --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 15:11, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Caterpie ==

This page [[User:Rahl/Goh's Caterpie]] meets the notability requirements. Could it get mainspaced? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Lavender Town and hoaxes ==

You do realize that, outside of the community, Lavender Town is known for being the subject of tons of hoaxes and not specifically Lavender Town Syndrome, right? Also, anyone who has learned about the myth that the music was changed would have learned about the whole hoax. No one's gonna mention that the music was supposedly changed and not the suicides and such. The effects are the entire point of the hoax. The music was simply the backdrop. The trivia point skates around mentioning a specific hoax by completely ignoring why people outside of the community know that music change lie. So, if it's truly notable enough, the reason it's notable at all should be included. Nobody cares that the music was changed, people only care why it was supposedly changed. Add what people know it for or delete it. That part by itself lacks any notability. Since you can't mention a specific hoax, the only option is to get rid of it. The fact that Lavender Town's the subject of hoaxes is infinitely more notable than that, and therefore infinitely more worthy than the current point. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Your reason holds absolutely no water. [[User:General Kipicus|General Kipicus]] ([[User talk:General Kipicus|talk]]) 23:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Dub season logos in series' pages ==

I was thinking that dub season logos could be added in the individual series' pages. Here is an [[User:Ricbolog1310/Sandbox|example]]. What do you think?--[[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 13:03, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
:I think it's fine, though it's probably more appropriate in the gallery section of those articles, as it's already there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I was being consistent with the way logos are shown in the original series page. [[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 16:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
:Ah, only checked the RS article. Well, if it's already done there, then can't see why it can't be done on the other series article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. In this case I'll add them.--[[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 16:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

== "Undiscovered" Egg Group ==

All move pages still use the name "Undiscovered" instead of "No Eggs Discovered". Are they supposed to?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 23:29, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

== N Template ==

So you deleted the template for {{adv|N}}, which I think might have been a mistake. He has four Pokémon with pages.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:While I'm on the topic, Pryce, Lt. Surge, Koga, Jasmine, and Blaine have more than one Pokémon with a page.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 17:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
::12 years ago, this was [[Category talk:Trainer's Pokémon templates#OK, enough.|proposed]] by [[User talk:electAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]], a now-retired staff member. I think the staff brought this up again, on the staff-only section of the forums. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 17:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:::No. No it was not brought up on the staff forums nor on the staff discord. I found it after trying to remember where exactly I saw the "rules" I laid out in my [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Force_Fire&diff=3494678&oldid=3494609 previous response]. Admittedly I could only vaguely remember the first rule, and not the second.
:::As for those, may have missed the manga specific articles as I was mainly focused on the anime part. I've restored those one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks for fixing those. {{unsigned|Rahl}}

== Three questions ==

# If you think a similar bit is actually okay on the [[Buck]] page, then why did you remove the bit I added to [[kodama]]'s page? I know search is the bigger issue here, but I think it requires to be talked about.
# Is it okay that I can mainspace my {<nowiki/>{[[User:Bfdifan2006/code|code]]}} template? Bulbapedia did have it at some point, but it was deleted. Using it is actually much easier than having to type {{#tag:code|{{#tag:nowiki|<code><<nowiki/>nowiki></nowiki></code>}}}} (without the <code><<nowiki/>nowiki></nowiki></code> in some cases). Of course, I will change the documentation template used on the template page (after mainspacing the page) to the one {{u|bthrussellUK}} made.
# I think I could create the page {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|Template:Tl}} (short for "template link") as a redirect to the {{template|template}} link template. I feel its name is too long in this case, but I am not requesting you to move the template. What do you think?
--'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 20:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
:First of all, I did not add the baku bit to Buck's article. Do not make false accusations, you are treading a very thin line here. Secondly, just because it's elsewhere doesn't mean it's okay. I've removed it.
:No and no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:07, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

== April Fools' Day 2022 article (serious matter) ==

For the article about this day (which is currently located at [[User:Bfdifan2006/April Fools' Day 2022]]), you said it can go back to the mainspace when April 1 is over in all parts of the world. In that case, it should be re-mainspaced on April 2, at 11:00 UTC (which is when April 1 is over in Niue). Ideally, this would be at 12:00 UTC on that day, but all territories that use UTC -12 are uninhabited. The time zone that is the furthest behind but used by people is UTC -11, used in Niue. See [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20220402T110000&p1=196&p2=724&p3=1471&p4=1440 here]. I'm saying this is serious, so you don't treat it as an April Fools' joke.

Do not create a new article about the same thing. After re-mainspacing mine, just expand it. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:... This was completely unnecessary. You, or anyone, can just move the page once April 2nd roll over. No need to spam my talk page with this nonsense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Just so you don't get the wrong idea, I mainspaced BthrussellUK's version of the article because it was already more fleshed out than yours.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

:::Just delete [[User:Bfdifan2006/April Fools' Day 2022]], I don't need that anymore. I included most info about Duck there, in fear that the article will be deleted, but since it wasn't, all this is redundant. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 12:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
== [[April Fools' Day 2022/Duck (Pokémon)]] ==
In the first section on this page, the link that says "Duckling" is meant to link to the {{DL|April Fools' Day 2022/Duck (Pokémon)|Evolution}} section of that page, but now it links to the page's original title. Can you fix that so it doesn't need to reload the page to just load a redirect? --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 12:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

== Mascots ==

I literally added a similar bit to {{p|Meloetta}}'s page, stating it being the mascot of [[Pokémon Showdown]]. Nobody removed it, so why wasn't the Poképédia mascot thing notable for {{p|Uxie}}? And I am not calling you to remove that bit from Meloetta's page. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 11:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
:Because a Pokemon being used as a mascot for a fansite is not notable. The Uxie bit has also been removed many times before with the same reasoning. I know what I'm doing, I've been around a fair bit. Azumarill, Koffing, Celebi, and Bulbasaur (to name a few) also don't have trivia about them being mascots of Marriland, Smogon, Serebii, and Bulbapedia.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

== I found a source that calls the pattern on Eevee's tail a heart ==

https://dragonsabbath.proboards.com/thread/27/heart-tailed-eevee

In this community, there was a user who agreed with my post claiming the Eevee has a heart on its tail. The user who replied to this thread at the bottom said that it was a heart, and didn't mention anything about a flower. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 11:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Other "fans" agreeing with your opinion does not count as a source.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Why did you put the word fans in quotation marks? Are you implying you think I made this up? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 12:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Because the user that agreed with you has a Wobbuffet related name and avatar, and you have a thing regarding Wobbuffet (be it about a metagame strategy, your brother and his multiple wobbuffet accounts on showdown, or about someone making troll comments on your youtube videos), so yes it's hard to believe that it's really someone else.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

This guy is actually Leonard Craft III, who is a known moderator on Pokemon Showdown (DaWoblefet) so it's not who you're thinking of. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, he wasn't the only one who agreed with me. A guy with an elephant avatar also agreed with me, and I never talked about the weird thing I used to have about Phanpy yet. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:The other user did not agree with you, they were just saying that it was cute, not that it had a "heart" shape pattern. Another user also questions whether the pattern is actually a heart or a flower.
:Bottom line is, the opinions of others do not matter, only the official sources do (and a random forum is not an official source). in this case, where there is no official source, we go but what makes the most sense, and the pattern being a flower makes the most sense. '''Because the pattern loops around the tail, it is not confined to one part of the tail.''' Bolded for emphasis.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

There was another user in the thread who posted a picture of an official Eevee source proving there was a heart on its tail. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:They just reposted the official artwork, there's not source actually saying that it's meant to be a heart. And you're simply refusing to listen, the pattern '''''surrounds''''' its tail, therefore, when you view it from '''''above''''' it forms a flower. I suggest you drop this, as you are simply trying to get your own way by assuming other people agreeing with you somehow validates your opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::[[File:Partner Eevee gender differences.png|280px]] Discussion's over. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

== Crunch/Thunder Fang ==

I strongly, ''strongly'' disagree with you on this. Those weren't electric spark, just energy sparks of the energy jaws hitting each other. In every other way, it's identical to Houndoom's Crunch. That minor of a difference shouldn't count as evidence towards a much more illogical move. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Ok, fair point about the sparks, but it still doesn't mean it's Crunch. Crunch does not have a unique enough animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::We've seen two confirmed cases of Crunch in Journeys, and in my opinion, comparing them with Huntail's move counts as good evidence of it being Crunch. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
:::The difference between the elemental fangs and Crunch (and to an extent, Bite) is that the former have an extra flair to their animations, whereas the latter two do not. A simple biting animation could be either Crunch or Bite. You can bring up the other examples of "Crunch" all you want, the bottom line is, the animation is too simple and vague to be a specific move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:24, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Bite has a distinctively different animation compared to Crunch in Journeys. Crunch is jaws of energy clamping down on the opponent, whereas with Bite, the user releases teeth-shaped energies from its mouth at the opponent. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

== MinnieG ==

I strongly suspect that this person is actually Kittystyler. Compare [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3368600&oldid=3366636 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3381334&oldid=3378827 edits] (both from confirmed sockpuppets) with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3416204&oldid=3414820 this edit]. In addition, they seem to focus on character relationships and their grammar structure just seems similar to Kittystyler in general. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Unfortunately I can't compare their IP addresses as all of KittyStyler's socks have been inactive for too long to compare them to MinnieG. Making similar edits is considered circumstantial, and the only other evidence I have is regarding their email, but that's too weak of evidence to say they're a sock of KittyStyler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah... I'm aware it's circumstantial evidence, but I do still feel like it's at least worth looking out for. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 07:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

== Re: Images ==

I understand that not all articles need appearances sections for two stage evolutions, I just thought they did because I saw a couple of them that did, like [[Casey's Meganium]] and [[Serena's Delphox]].--[[User:MinneG|MinnieG]] ([[User talk:MinnieG|talk]]) 09:58, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

== Update "Upcoming Anime "Page with Up-To-Date Upcoming Episodes (ASAP) ==

All the episodes listed are out of date. Could you or someone please fix this by display upcoming current episodes that are coming and up to date (like the one coming this week)? Also, could you do this for all the channels and locations?

https://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Upcoming_anime

I already made a comment on the page's Talk page, but there is no answer. [[User:Macpika|Macpika]] ([[User talk:Macpika|talk]]) 22:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
:This news page is being moved to a new place at some point in the future and is no longer being updated. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a million. I was wondering what was going on. [[User:Macpika|Macpika]] ([[User talk:Macpika|talk]]) 00:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

== Attack Order ==

I've found a YouTube video that shows one of the Japanese-exclusive Professor Oak's lecture segments, this one specifically from the DP series. In it, a Vespiquen attacks Professor Oak with a move that he identifies as Attack Order. And it looks nothing like the move the Combee used in [[DP032]], which Bulbapedia has counted as Vespiquen using Attack Order. Should it be changed to a move error of the Combee using Psybeam? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:14, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:I'll have to find the Japanese episode somehow to verify, but judging by DP032's talk page, seems to be guesswork. As for the move Combee used, it could've been any beam move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
::Based on the rainbow colors, it's most likely Psybeam, but whatever it is, it's not Attack Order. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Found a Japanese version of the episode. Attack Order wasn't mentioned at any point. May I delete the mentions of Attack Order in relation to DP032? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 23:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Go for it. I'm inclined to believe that it wasn't stated in the original version due to it being guesswork in the first place.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::As for Psybeam: here's a pair of comparison images:
:::::[[:File:Cheryl Mothim Psybeam.png|Cheryl's Mothim using Psybeam in DP031]]
:::::[[:File:Combee Psybeam.png|Combee's move from DP032]]
:::::Both beams are multicolored, have identical animations, and are from consecutive episodes in the same series. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't matter if it looks similar to other instances of Psybeam, it's still a vague "mutli-colored beam". It is too simple of an animation. [[:File:Zoey Gallade Signal Beam.png|Signal Beam]] and [[:File:Suicune Aurora Beam DP028.png|Aurora Beam]] were also portrayed as a "multi-colored beam" during DP, so it could also be any of those two.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I admit, those two beams look similar. But the images I provided use the same colors, despite being multicolored, and there weren't any beam attacks used during the DP series that used the same multicolor scheme as Psybeam. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

== Suicune and Cubone ==

Hi, good morning. I would like to know, if with today's episode, what are the chances of [[User:BigDocFan/Goh's Suicune|Suicune]] and [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Cubone|Cubone]] going to mainspace. I mean, in the case of the Cubone, technically, it achievied the requirements today. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
::I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss another topic with you, It's been a while since I've been putting together the images of the strips that anipoke's profile posts on Twiiter[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Hikaru_Wazana/After_the_story]. I've been thinking that maybe this content fits better in the pages of each episode, because probably by the end of Journeys, this page can get huge and with a huge list of references. This page proved to be very complicated to update and put content, one of the reasons why I take so long to update it completely. What do you (or the Bulbapedia's staff) think about this idea?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Suicune and Cubone have been moved. As for the strips, they seem to be in the same vain as [[Get Inspired! Let's Solve a Poké Riddle!!]]. I think it's fine for its own article and for individual episodes to have it mentioned in the trivia, as we do with the other Japan exclusive bonus content.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

== [[Poke Ball (Jungle 64)]] ==

In regards to the deletion of {{redlink|Poke Ball (item)}} and {{redlink|Poke Ball (Hisui)}}, should the similar redirect for [[Poké Ball (Jungle 64)]] also be deleted? There are also other similar redirects such as: [[Pokemon (species)]], [[Pokemon (TCG)]], [[Poke Fan (Trainer class)]], [[Poke Maniac (Trainer class)]], [[Poke Kid (Trainer class)]], and so on. Thoughts? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

==Goh Pokemon Pages==
I was wondering if Grimer, Misdreavus and Absol were worthy of having their own pages right now?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:42, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry to get involved in your conversation. But I wanted a suggestion, regarding this page [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Elemental Monkeys|here]]. When I created it, I imagined that the two monkeys would have similar screen time(Actually, I thought Goh was going to capture a Pansage up until this point), but Panpour apparently proved to be more notable than Pansear and technically, it met the requirements to go to mainspace, but Pansear has yet to have at least one more major appearance. What should I do in this case? Do I leave the page as it is or divide it to make room for a Panpour solo page?
::I'm wanting to reduce Goh's Pokémon pages, so much so that I'm waiting to see if Goh's Froakie will really have a relevance to the anime before actually making a page for it. If Froakie has a relevant role in the Greninja episode maybe I'll be working on it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Grimer, Misdreavus, and Absol all meet the notability requirements. As for Pansear/Panpour, only Panpour would be notable. And I think having individual articles for the two is better, it would only make sense to group them if he had all three and if there's not enough info to necessitate splitting them into three articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::Just so I understand, according to the rules, Frogadier (good thing I waited to create the page LOL) only needs one more major appearance in the anime, right? As for Panpour, well I put the monkeys page in a space that I reserved to be deleted. If you can sort this out for me, please.[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Hikaru_Wazana#Candidates_to_delete]
:::::Having no idea what Goh's role would be in an anime series based on Scarlet and Violet, I think it's best to avoid having too many pages for his Pokémon. We are going to that moment when the Pokémon that are notable are, those that are not, unfortunately, will no longer be--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Do these three pages have what it takes to go to mainspace?
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Butterfree#In_the_anime]]
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Arctozolt]]
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Taillow]]
Theoretically, they are within the rules stipulated for Goh's Pokémon.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:55, 05 May 2022 (UTC)

== RE: Goh's Dustox ==
I understand. I just assumed that since they've appeared in at least three episodes, and two of them were mainly focused on them, I thought it was notable enough to give them their own articles. I saw that Trapinch's box was removed from the "Recurring" part of Goh's Pokémon. I'll just re-add Trapinch there, since you've informed me that his page was notable enough for an article.

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 05:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Pyukumuku ==
I wanted to know if Goh's Pyukumuku is eligible to receive its own page. It had three episodes in which was somewhat prominent on, and I wonder if it's enough to earn it it's page?

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 15:41, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
:Don't just make the article after asking. Pyukumuku is notable for an article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

== Image dispute ==

There's been disagreement over at Bulbagarden Archives, with Rahl reverting several images, some multiple times, because they don't agree with the reasons given to why the current version should be used. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

== Unnecessary redirects ==

Yesterday, I removed the redirect "Unevolve", which had led to "Devolution" . Can you remove it? Also, there's a redirect page called "Literal Ghost" leading to "Ghost (literal)", even though only "Literal ghost" (with a small g) has ever been used on various talk pages. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

== Champion Pokemon ==

Hi, could [[User:Rahl/Wallace's Milotic]] and [[User:BigDocFan/Leon's Charizard]] be mainspaced? According to [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime|notability rules]], both qualify. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:Leon's Charizard has mostly just appeared in battles, so it's not notable yet. Wallace's Milotic, not too sure if opening the Wallace Cup would fall under having an impact on the plot (putting on a show in its debut appearance, doesn't), otherwise it's only other notable appearance is a battle, so that too wouldn't make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
::I'm failing to see how they aren't notable according to the rules. Both are their signature Pokémon, have done nonbattle related things (Milotic with the Wallace Cup, Charizard with the Darkest Day and JN100), have media related to more than just the anime, and have had impact on the plot (both worked as a motivation for a main character to improve/develop). What exactly is missing for them to not be mainspaced? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:27, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Am I going to hear back from you on this? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::::I see you've been editing over the past few days and am wondering if I'm going to hear back from you? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for the late response. For Milotic, I'm not sure if its role in the Wallace Cup could be considered having an impact on the arc/plot, get second opinions for this one. For Charizard, all of its role were still mostly for battles, it needs to do something that isn't it battling another Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Who should I seek out for a second opinion on Milotic? And as for Charizard, while it has mostly battled, it serves as Ash's main obstacle to overcome in Journeys, helped with the Darkest Day crisis, and had a nonbattle role in JN100 where it trained with Leon and Ash. We also know it is going to have more appearances, not to mention its role in the manga, games, TGC, and multiple other animes. I think the 'only battled' argument is keeping this a little too restrictive. Leon's Charizard clearly deserves to have a page of its own. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::You can ask anyone about the notability Milotic's role, staff member or regular user. Basically just get the general idea of what others think. For Charizard, its appearance in other media doesn't make it more notable for an anime centric article. It can appear in 100 more episodes, but if it's all just battling, then it's still not notable. Leon used it very briefly in the training and Charizard doesn't really do anything of note. It being a motivator for Ash is more about the development of Ash than it is about Charizard.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:35, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Multiple people have voiced their agreement for Milotic. Could you please move the page to the mainspace? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Saw it and felt that it kinda missed the point. Mostly the opinion is "it appeared a whole bunch, so it has to be notable" not about what it actually ''did'' in those episodes. I'll repeat what I said about Charizard, Milotic could appear in another 100 episodes but if it ''didn't do anything of note'', it still wouldn't be notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::"Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot. Elite Four members, Champions, and Frontier Brains also fall into this category." Since none of this seems to matter and we are not following them, can the notability rules be changed so this problem doesn't happen again? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::"but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in '''and''' had some impact on the plot". It has to do more than battle ''and'' what it does has to be impactful to the plot. They are not individual criteria.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Great. Milotic inspired Dawn and helped her regain her confidence in Contests. Charizard helped stop the Darkest Day and is acting as motivation for Ash in the World Series. Both impact the plot, and based on what I've seen, nobody else is arguing that these pages don't meet the criteria. This wiki is a collaborative effort, yet nothing is allowed to happen because you personally don't agree these fit the rules? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:39, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::Well, I decided to post here because Rahl asked me to put my opinion.
::The problem is that Leon's Charizard page isn't exactly anime-centric. Let's say, Pokémon Evolutions has an episode that shows a lot of Leon's relationship with Charizard, Charizard is one of Leon's most frequent Pokémon in Twilight Wings. As I said in another topic, here are some pages that just don't make sense to be in the mainspace, [[Horacio's Vikavolt|this one]], for example, wasn't even finished and it was already approved.
::As for Milotic, I think the same thing, it's a champion's signature Pokémon. The rule that" only battles don't make it a notable Pokémon" seems confusing to me, because I had about three episodes removed from the content of Goh's Farfetch'd's page because they said at the time that these battles were not remarkable to be on his page. Far from wanting to criticize, but some rules need to be reviewed and updated in my opinion. Because that ends up creating more confusion than making things easier.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Charizard is an anime centric article because the anime info is the first thing that's highlighted. Just like how [[Agatha's Gengar]] and [[Lucy's Seviper]] are manga centric articles because the manga is what is first highlighted. Evolutions and Twilight Charizard is not the same as main series Charizard, just as game/manga Charizard is not the same as anime Charizard. They're all treated as individuals and not one and the same. So whatever Evolutions Charizard does has no bearing on what main series Charizard's notability, since the former is not the focus of the article. For Vikavolt, it's Horacio's signature and had a major role in its second appearance. That's why it has an article.
:::For Milotic, it's not what it does that's not notable it's how much do people think it was impactful that would determine its notability in this case. I don't remember much of the Wallace Cup arc, so I can't say if it was really impactful to the arc. For your edits that were removed, not every battle needs to be highlighted, just the ones deemed notable. Farfetch'd battling a Gym Leader's Pokemon? notable. Farfetch'd battling a random wild Pokemon that doesn't turn out to be anything special? not notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::A Pokemon being a motivator for a character is more about the development of the character and not the overall arc. Which is what the criteria asks for. Not having an impact on a character, having an impact on an arc/plot. Charizard's involvement in Darkest Day was ultimately still a battle. Steven's Metagross is on a similar level, but is notable because it helped the characters infiltrate Team Flare's base, that's Metagross having some sort of impact on the plot (technically it was a battle, but there's a wider context).
:::The wiki is a collaborative effort, but if users aren't understanding the criteria, then staff are going to step in and make it clear what the criteria are asking for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::You said it yourself, having an impact on an arc/plot is what is important. Charizard has done that with the Darkest Day, yet for some reason battling-the major focus of Pokémon-is written off as being useless. Both of these Pokémon have a much larger role across both the anime and the franchise as a whole compared to something like Horacio's Vikavolt. Your defense for that is that it is Horacio's signature Pokémon and had a major role. So did both of these Champion's Pokémon. It makes no sense why these Pokémon have not done enough in your eyes. I suggest you change the language used for the notability rules, or at the very least find some consistency in your argument, as it is very unclear what the actual standards are. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 07:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::"Your defense for that is that it is Horacio's signature Pokémon and had a major role." A major role that wasn't just it battling another Pokemon, which Charizard's role in Darkest Day ultimately was. Metagross' role, because it's in a similar setting, was that it battled to help the main characters infiltrate Team Flare's base. Charizard battled to stop a Pokemon. It wasn't to stop Rose from furthering his plans or something. It was still a Pokémon battle, something that isn't too out of the ordinary for a franchise about battling.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:It's ridiculous that to you Charizard is only notable if it participates in something like a dance contest instead of the large amount of stuff it has already done. Even then, Milotic has done nonrelated battle things and you still say that's not important. Nothing will be, will it? If you want to go against what the rules say and the general opinion of the wiki, fine, but please update the notability rules to fit your personal ideal so nobody else ends up wasting their time. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:44, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::If Charizard was in a competition and did something that had an impact on the plot, then it would be notable. Otherwise, if it didn't do anything else and just competed/played it straight, then it still wouldn't be notable (because it didn't do anything else). You're too caught up with the idea that simply appearing and being part of a non-battle event would make it notable. It doesn't. It's what it ''does'' during the episode that matters. Vikavolt helped free the Pokemon that was captured by Team Rocket in SM119 (which was when it was mainspaced), Goh's Dewgong protected Chloe and Eevee from a Huntail in JN063 (which was when it was mainspaced), Korrina's Lucario had multiple notable non-battle appearances by the time it was approved.
::As for Milotic, I repeat again. Is what it did important enough to the overall arc? You asked on Wallace's talk page but failed to bring that up, only bringing up the notability requirements and everyone else just says yes based off it. On surface level, yes it meets the notability requirement, but notability doesn't involve just reading the requirements and going "yep, it's notable". You have to think about and assess whether what it did in those non battle episodes would make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Okay, I don't even know if I should help the discussion, but here goes. In the anime, Leon's Charizard:
* It was confirmed to be Leon's Starter Pokémon. They even showed all its evolution stages in the anime.
* It was his choice to battle in the first World Championship. In other words, it was used in a competition by Leon.
* Charizard was used to defend Leon's title (which in the context of Journeys is the same as rivals' Gym Battles). This was, for example, what served to make Bianca's Pignite page notable [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bianca%27s_Emboar&oldid=1517799]. [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Bianca%27s_Emboar#Noteworthy]. In short, it was used by Leon in the current WCS season.
* In the context of Darkest Day:
** Leon used Charizard to defeat Centiscorch and save Ash and his Pokémon.
** Leon used Charizard as a means of locomotion and to defeat the Coalossal. In other words, he used it for something other than battle.
** It was used against Eternatus, which according to Leon himself showed that he is not the most powerful Trainer in the world yet as he said in [[JN100]]. In other words, this battle (and defeat) is part of Leon's arc in Journeys.
* [[JN100]], if we ignore the battle against Flint (which again, we can consider as the Gym battles of old), Charizard was used in Leon's flying training
Now to the rules:
* '''''For rival characters and other recurring characters, only their signature Pokémon may have an article created about them.'''''Charizard is Leon's signature Pokémon. '''CHECK'''
* '''''If a rival's signature Pokémon does nothing more than battle or has no major impact on the plot, then it is not notable for an article and instead should have a section on its Trainer's page.''''' The Coalossal case, Charizard did not battle. Leon's Training did not involve battles. '''CHECK'''(!?!)
* '''''Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot. Examples would be Blaine's Magmar, which saved the Cinnabar Gym and developed Charizard's personality, or Clair's Dragonair, which helped save the Dragon Kingdom. Elite Four members, Champions, and Frontier Brains also fall into this category.''''' Leon's battle against Ash, served to show the concepts of Gigantamax to Ash. Leon's battle against Raihan served to work out the history of the rivalry between the two Trainers. '''CHECK'''
We can spend months discussing this, but the truth is that this is just looking like a matter of conflicting points of view. To me, this seems very much to fall into the problem that the pages are based on most of Ash's relationship with other characters and not his own stories. Even though Ash is the protagonist, it's been a long time since the anime revolves around him and the rules didn't adapt to that(Goh is probably the biggest proof of that). Hence we have to expect that a Pokémon like Charizard has to have some impact on the plot of a technically unrelated character like Ash. Well, I think I elongated too much in the text I put here. I hope it resolves the discussion somehow.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:I want to swing back to this and point out that if [[Miette's Slurpuff]] is good enough for to be mainspaced than so should the other two, or are we really saying participating in a dance party is more relevant than anything else? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::You clearly do not get it. If Charizard (and Leon) were to compete in a race (with Ash and Goh), then something happened to Ash and Goh. If Leon doesn't have Charizard go look for Ash and Goh, and just competes in the race from start to finish (therefore unseen for a chunk of the episode), then '''''it still would not be notable'''''. Just competing is not what would make it notable.
::The only non-battle thing Charizard did is the training. Which it didn't even do much. What can you really say? Oooooooh, it smashed a few rocks and flew through a waterfall. Wow. Riveting. Fantastic read, can sum it all up in one sentence.
::For Milotic, again, you didn't ask others the important factor; how much of what it did was notable. Nobody on Wallace's talk page took that to account. They just saw the notability requirements and went "yep, it meets everything here" without actually thinking about what it actually did in the Wallace Cup arc and evaluating whether it did makes it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
:::So, based on these criteria, even if Leon uses Charizard throughout the 8 Masters tournament campaign, we doesn't have the go-ahead to use this page. Leon's page in the anime, I had to adapt and look for alternatives in the manga section to be standardized precisely because this page doesn't exist. Leon's page in games has a huge infobox with very disproportionate little information precisely because of the lack of this page in the Adventures section;
:::Even if we are to cling to "all Pokémon X did was battle", more than half of the Pokémon of some rivals will have either undone. From Trip's Serperior, Gary's Arcanine/Gary's Electivire, Paul's Honchkrow to Georgia's Beartic. And I don't think there is much doubt about the importance of this Pokémon in some way. The ironic part of it all is that Leon's Charizard had more space in the anime than Pokemon like Lance's Dragonite, for example. About Milotic I confess that I don't even give an opinion anymore, with all this arm wrestling involving Charizard.
:::I have a vision of a certain reformulation that should be in the Anime section and with the Adventures manga (which is the manga with the longest defined chronology released) but I'm even afraid to give it.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::::To say Miette's Slurpuff has more notability or value than Leon's Charizard is an odd choice and one that doesn't hold up when looking at either page or the importance of those Pokémon. Force Fire, please rewrite the rules to fit your mindset so users know what they are getting into. I don't even care if they make sense-they don't-but at least then we have a written process to follow. Your views and what the rules say don't match up as of now. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::Again, you're '''not''' listening. Miette's Slurpuff did stuff outside of the Poke Contest stuff in its debut episode. Leon's Charizard has ''not'' done anything outside of battling in it's non battle episodes and its battle-focus episodes. Because that's what the notability requirements is asking for: "but only if it did '''''more than just battle''''' in the episode(s) it appeared in". As in, it needs to do something else other than showing up in a battle. Because it's Pokemon. Battling is the central point of the series. It's what it do. We're not going to have an article that is just "X battled in episode Y" over and over. It's not going to make for an interesting read.
:::::And it '''also''' needs to have an impact on the plot. If Charizard battles and wins, then that's not having that much of an impact. Wow. It won. Who knew something would ''win'' a series about battling. If the battle was interrupted and Charizard helped get rid of whatever is interrupting the battle, then yes, that would be having an impact on the episode. Because it did more than just battle its intended opponent.
:::::As for the articles Hikaru Wazana brought up, 3/5 of them were created before we got stricter with notability. Gary's Arcanine is fine as it helped stop Team Rocket in Extreme Pokemon! Gary's Electivire is fine as it help protect Shieldon from J and attempted to stop Saturn from taking one of the lake guardians. For Trip's Serperior and Georgia's Beartic, both were approved by the Head of Anime at the time of their move to the mainspace. So I'll assume there was a good reason for their existence.
:::::I'm not trying to manipulate to criteria, I'm just following how the criteria has been interpreted over the years. And sometimes, that interpretation either gets stricter or more lenient. I'm not pulling all this out of thin air. There is no need to re-write the criteria just because you can't understand them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::I don't claim to be an expert on this or anything, but we have a page for [[Skyla's Swanna]], for example. Should that page then be removed from the mainspace for the same reason that Leon's Charizard is not notable since it's only been in battles as far as plot relevance goes? Because if Skyla's Swanna is notable enough for its own page while Leon's Charizard isn't, I'm curious as to why that might be. I'm sorry if this line of conversation is tiring you out. I won't say anything more if you're bothered by it. '''[[User:Dougbro1|Dougbro1]]''' ([[User talk:Dougbro1|Talk]]) 18:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

== Jiliang ==

Jiliang has already returned to adding dubious trivia to pages, along with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3518678&oldid=3508003 trivia that had already been removed multiple times]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
:I've given them a semi block, and a stern message, effectively forcing them to respond on their talk page or risk a full block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3538443&oldid=3518766 They've once again re-added the removed trivia back to AG128], along with once again adding more non-noteworthy trivia to other pages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:40, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
:::There's only so many chances I can give them, so I've given them a lengthy block. If they return and continue, then they'll be gone for good.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Rivals? ==

Do Bea and Raihan count as rivals in a sense that major events should include their new Pokémon? I'm assuming yes for Bea, but I'm not 10% sure regarding Raihan. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:40, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Pokemon of notable rivals get mentioned only if they have articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::By this, do you mean the "Major events" section or the "Pokémon debuts" section? After looking through episode pages from the original series all the way up to Journeys, it definitely appears to be standard to list new Pokémon for rivals in the "Major events" section, regardless of whether or not they have a page (and only their Pokémon with pages are listed in the "Pokémon debuts" section). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Huh, that does seem to be the case after checking a few episodes of rivals obtaining new Pokemon (that I could remember at least), PMJ is right. As for Raihan, I think his 'mon are fine to be mentioned, as does have a major role.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== Can you fix my name please? ==

Hi, I just signed up to edit here, but I made a mistake in typing my username. I meant it to be ApexAgunomu. Can you please change my name to that? Thank you. [[User:ApexAgunomi|ApexAgunomi]] ([[User talk:ApexAgunomi|talk]]) 11:07, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
:Due to technical issues with the rename function we use, it is not possible to rename users at this time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::Then can you please block this account so I can make a new one with the correct name? Would that be okay? [[User:ApexAgunomi|ApexAgunomi]] ([[User talk:ApexAgunomi|talk]]) 16:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== {{template|Pokelist}} ==

The link you recently added to that template should have "GO" instead of "Go" (mind the letter case) as the displayed text. Will you fix it? Thanks. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lucario ==

So we both edit war and I get blocked, but you get away with no consequences and the page turns out how you want because you’re a special admin and nobody but you is ever right. How about you take it to a talk page for once like you’re always preaching. Hypocritical and childish. [[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you 100% Pikablu. ForceFire targets me this way too. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 06:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

== "Trainers start their journey at 10." ==

This is something that's only ever been stated in the anime. Red, Hilbert/Hilda, Elio/Selene, and Rei/Akari are all older than 10, for example (and no other game protagonist has ever explicitly been confirmed to be 10). The only games to mention a starting age at all are the Alola games, where you have to be 11 to take the island challenge. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:From what I can tell, this was because the protagonists prior to Generation V were "10 or 11 years old" according to Ken Sugimori. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah, but that would still mean that they're not explicitly confirmed 10 (and the fact that the Alola games are the only games to mention a starting age is still true as well). Hilbert/Hilda, ORAS Brendan/May, and Rei/Akari are all older than 10/11, too. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::But from what I see on his article, Red is said to be 10 in the European release. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Assuming that's true, the Japanese release should take priority over both the American and European releases, although I actually don't know if it's ever been explicitly stated there. Even then, it only adds to my point of players not being explicitly confirmed as 10, given that the American release for the same game states that he's 11. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::Given Sugimori said "10 OR 11" in that interview, it's more of an "either" situation, meaning the Gens I-IV protagonists are either 10 or 11 years old. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::This would still mean that no protagonist has ever been explicitly confirmed to be 10 even prior to Gen V. If anything, it makes 11 just as likely of a starting age, if not even more so.
::::::Given that there have been protagonists that have started as teenagers (Hilbert/Hilda and Rei/Akari being confirmed cases, although Calem/Serena are probably in that range too), I would definitely not put an age for Victor/Gloria if nothing has been stated. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Funny that you mention Rei/Akari when ForceFire, a beuracrat mind you, has rejected the source on their article several times, as an NPC guessing the player's age is, in his words, "not confirmation". [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Interesting. That definitely feels inconsistent since Victor/Gloria don't even have that going for them. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::I wasn't using that to talk about Victor/Gloria. I was bringing it up due to the edit warring it caused. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
My points are simply that:

1. "Trainers start their journey at 10" is something that's only stated in the anime.

2. No protagonist has ever been outright confirmed to be 10 (even the Sugimori interview only stated that the protagonists prior to Gen V were 10/11 without naming specific cases), with Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15, ORAS Brendan/May being 12, Elio/Selene being 11, and Rei/Akari being "15 or so".

3. The same logic that was used on the Rei/Akari pages in the past (even though those pages do list their ages now) should be applied to a greater extent for Victor/Gloria, especially since no ages have even been ''hinted'' at officially. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:1. We all know that.

2. I never said the Gens I-IV protagsbwere 10, only 10 OR 11.

3. The logic used for Rei/Akari should still apply to their articles, especially since the quote was repeatedly deemed unreliable by a higher staff. And yes, I KNOW thay Victor/Gloria have no hints towards an official age. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::I don't mind whether or not it's removed from the Rei/Akari pages or not. I just find it inconsistent, especially since it was the same higher staff member. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::If anything, it should be removed from the Rei/Akari articles as in the context of the dialogue, Cyllene was ''assuming'' the player's age, meaning that their actual age is unknown. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 22:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}For the "trainers start their journeys at 10" bit. Could've sworn that was the case in the games as well, specifically in Gen I related materials (like a guidebook or something), may be misremembering. As for Rei/Akari, I still don't think it's solid confirmation as Cyllene is just guessing. That should be removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Brendan/May from Ruby and Sapphire actually look younger than 10, at 7 or 8. Additionally, in LGPE the progagonists appear to be even younger, like 5 or 6, and same goes for Sword and Shield.
Are we TOTALLY SURE that it's a given rule that a trainer has to be 10 to start?! [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 21:23, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
:Uh, what? How do RSE Brendan/May and Victor/Gloria look any visibly younger than Red/Leaf/Ethan/Kris/Lyra/Lucas/Dawn/Elio/Selene? Their artwork shows that they're roughly as tall as them, and there are kids in every game that are clearly younger than the protagonists (and I would peg those kids as being in the 6-8 range instead). In any case, I've already shown that it's not a constant rule in the games for the protagonists to be 10 (as seen with Hilbert/Hilda, ORAS Brendan/May, and Elio/Selene, who are all confirmed to be older). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

== Beelzemon 2003 ==

[[User talk:Beelzemon 2003|Beelzemon 2003]] has made excessively long descriptions of event item distributions in the event item articles like the Eon Ticket and MysticTicket, involving details and images unrelated to the items themselves, mostly describing the gatherings where the items were distributed. I've removed the texts unrelated to the items themselves and tried to tell them not to do it again, but they still did it again afterwards. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

== [[Coin (TCG)]] ==

Maverick Nate is no longer the Head of TCG, however, glik, nuva-kal and Ruixiang95 are. Talking to you to prevent edit warring. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 17:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
:The fact that you listed those three names shows that you don't actually know what "Head of TCG" means. Glik is the head of TCG, not the other two.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

== Alec ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana/Alec]]

Is everything ok to transfer this page to mainspace? I moved to my personal space to be able to work better on it, but I already put everything that was missing. [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 00:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
:Looks fine, I've mainspaced it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Miette's Slurpuff ==

How you feeling about this [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Miette's Slurpuff|page]] being mainspaced? It did nonbattle stuff after all. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
:IT does meet the notability requirements, I've mainspaced it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::I recall requesting mainspacing that article in the past, but it was rejected back them. Have the notability requirements changed since then? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
:::You requested it at least once on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Force_Fire/Archive_11#Mainspacing_suggestion April 14, 2020], and the criteria changed on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia:Manual_of_style/Anime&diff=next&oldid=3223681 August 22, 2020]. I'm not sure that's specifically what changed but just thought I'd point it out. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::::With Miette owning a Pokemon with its own page and a second Pokemon, can Miette get her own Pokemon template--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::With Slurpuff, and by extension Miette, being unlikely to appear again, I chose to re-evaluate it based off the one appearance it did have some impact, and decided what it did in that episode was notable enough. Ideally, I would like it to do more in just its debut episode, but given it's unlikely to appear again, thought I'd be a bit lenient with it.
:::::As for giving Miette her own Pokemon template, [[Category talk:Trainer's Pokémon templates|the rule]] states that a character needs at least two of their Pokemon have articles, not that they own two or more Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::Makes sense. Thank you for the explanation. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

== Unblock request ==

I humbly ask if there's a possibility to bring me back my privileges on editing the Nintendo Switch and creation trio pages. Finally, once I get my privileges on editing the Nintendo Switch and creation trio pages back, I will prove to you that I will be responsible with those pages in the future by discussing a major change, so as to avoid edit warring. --[[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 19:38, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

==Lillie's Magearna==
I was wondering whether User:Samueljoo/Lillie's Magearna might be ready to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 18:45, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

== Possible to merge accounts? ==

I used to work here as [[User talk:Croconaw2000|Croconaw2000]], but I deleted the email a long time ago and don’t remember the password, so I was completely unable to log back in. Would it be possible to merge the two accounts in some way, or redirect the old account into this one?

Also, if MarioWiki says that Wartortle has the same Chinese name as {{smw|Kooper}}, why shouldn’t we note it ourselves?

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]])
:... users are only allowed one account per person, but I'll allow this instance. It is not possible to merge accounts, and I don't think it's necessary to redirect the old one. And we're not MarioWiki. It may be notable there, but it's not notable here.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn’t have made a new account if I could log back into the old one. I had also asked on the bulbapedia discord if it was possible to change the email or password and they suggested creating a new account

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]])

== Move template ==

Do you think the {{template|anmov}} template could be used for Z-Moves and Max Moves. I feel having the description of those moves on the Pokémon's article is unnecessary, given that, unlike improvised moves, they have move pages to house their move descriptions. They could definitely still remain under separate subheaders in the "Moves used" section, but the current format doesn't fit them IMO. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I feel having the same move descriptions on the Pokémon's page kind of defeats the purpose of having a separate page to house those descriptions, specifically the movie's own article. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::That's something I've also thought about as well, the descriptions aren't really needed as those are already explained on the individual move articles. The base move being used for the Z-move is probably the only important part, I think, so a re-tweaked version of the current move template to accommodate that would be good.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Sounds good. Can I convert the templates if we use the tooltips template to identify the base move(s) until the tweaked template is ready?.--[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::::As in, in a similar way that, say, Mimicked moves have tooltips to tell which they were copied from, except this time, they're used to identify the base move(s). --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'd be okay for that to be a temporary solution. As for the tweaked template, shouldn't be too difficult to get that done, thinking of simply adding another column to it, [[User:Force_Fire/Template:Anzmov/h|like]] [[User:Force_Fire/Template:Anzmov|so]]. Don't think I need to tweak the footer of the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. I'll start editing the move lists. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 21:16, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== First visits to a region ==

Do the first visits to a region from characters other than the Journeys main trio count as major events? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:For former main characters, yes. I believe we also note when Misty and Brock travelled to Alola in the major events section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::So only important when it is a main character?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes. They were at one point main characters, that makes them important enough.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::And so we're clear, because I know what you're trying to do, the focus here is former main characters not Chloe or other supporting characters. Different rules for different characters.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Wait, so it’s important if this is their first series or if they were a main character? Is that what you’re saying?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::If Brock and Misty were to go to Galar for the first time, then that would be noted in the major events section as they are important characters (being former main characters). If Shamus or Montgomery were to go to Galar for the first time, then they would not be noted in the major events section as they were not a main characters. Not that hard to understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I don’t need the sass, I just wanted clarity, which you didn’t even do. Is it important to mention if this is their first series, say Ren or Danika?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:Just wanted to be sure. Thanks, FF. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lana's Lapras ==
Assuming it even matters, [[User:Playerking95/Lana's Poké Ride Lapras|this page]] meets [[Bulbapedia:Manual_of_style/Anime#Notability_requirements|Notability requirements]]. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 23:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
:So I see you've answered multiple other comments on your talk page. Could you please answer this one as well? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

== This pointless edit war has to end once and for all ==

Hello, I see that you noticed the edits I made last week, I explained my case on my talkpage but unfortunately never got a reply on there. In summary, this whole situation about characters' ages has got out of control, I've come to a conclusion that no matter how much I try helping this situation, I definitely can't do it all by myself. I haven't got the opportunity to reach a clear consensus about the subject with a Staff Member since I never got a reply but since it seems you're interested in this, I definitely have to inform you that this case has to finally come to an end.

I feel like I have to explain this whole situation to you so you can know in depth what all of this is about, there's this user called [[User_talk:Inkster|Inkster]], who you may recognize, who made an edit on March 29th to multiple articles related to player characters (these being Ethan's, Kris', Lyra's, Lucas' and Dawn's) where they added a piece of information related to their age, which have, for years, never been revealed and it also seems that throughout the entire existence of these character's articles there has never been an important version that specified any age either.

The source they quoted came to public knowledge in 2011, meaning that throughout this entire time, information about some of the characters' age has never been added to the site and if it would have been relevant information the characters' respective articles would have had the information on them for years like how Hilbert's and Hilda's articles have had their confirmed age on their articles for years.

Besides that, there's definitely a problem with the source, you see, what they're trying to use as the reference that supposedly confirms an age is Nintendo DREAM (ニンテンドードリーム) 2011年 01月号 [雑誌] where there was published an interview regarding to the art development of Pokémon Black & White, what this means is that they're using information about Pokémon Black and White that certainly has nothing to do with characters from games like HeartGold or Diamond, of course you wouldn't expect any information to be revealed that isn't about the newest games at the time (Black & White) and unsurpisingly that's exactly the case, all of what is written on there is about Pokémon Black and White.

The reason why they quoted that magazine, however, is because of a brief comment by Ken Sugimori which roughly mentions something like Hilbert and Hilda were designed to look older than ten or eleven-year-olds unlike previous game characters, the source that they quoted is in fact, '''a translation of the magazine''' that states quote, unquote "So this time we received orders from Masuda to increase the ages of Black & White’s protagonists, to make them older than the 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games" and that is the only time it is mentioned any age regarding to previous characters.

I have to add that the term 10 or 11 year old to refer to pokémon player characters has been vastly used by a really big amount of people, this includes pretty much every player character even if their age has already been revealed. Why this term is so popular is mostly because of the anime, in which they never got tired to mention that trainers start a journey with pokémon since the age of 10, something that in the games (which is where the characters they're trying to show an age come from) has never been mentioned and let's not forget that before Black and White, the only player character that actually had a confirmed age was Red, who is 11 in Red and Blue. What this means is that 10 or 11 year old is clearly just a term to refer to any game player character rather than a confirmed age, and in this case, there was never an age that was explicitly revealed, making the source completely meaningless, 10 or 11 is just a starting age at best.

As you probably can tell, this short quote not only doesn't include any strong confirmation regarding to previous player characters' ages, in fact the interview doesn't even mention a clear age for Hilbert or Hilda, but Inkster is trying to show like if that quote is somehow factual information. Many users have already doubted the idea of adding an age to those articles out of that quote, the article versions that include this have been reverted on multiple occasions since it could be considered just as an assumption that goes against the speculation policy and could even be considered as vandalism since it is misinformation.

But then there's the edit war, instead of trying to allow time for a discussion so this subject can reach a clear consensus or even wait until that information is authorized to be part of the article, the user [[User:Team_Rocket_Grunt|Team Rocket Grunt]] has been constantly reverting edits to Inkster's only because of their own perception with comments like "I think it (Sugimori's meaningless quote) does (confirm an age)" I think you've already noticed it the day I was contributing to Lucas' and Dawn's articles.

I've been doing some research about this subject and I found out that both Inkster and Team Rocket Grunt have had quite an interesting story to say the least, which I find relevant to this case and I'll share right away.

'''Inkster:''' This user apparently has something with the research of characters' age, looking at many articles, they've been responsible of editing the age section of many of the player characters, a small case I'd bring up is that they added Red's age from Red and Blue to Leaf's page with the excuse of "presumably Leaf has the same age that Red had in Red & Blue" yet they still add the "10-11" age to both Brendan's and May's articles by stating that that's the age they had in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald besides Brendan and May having a confirmed age, being 12, that was confirmed in the Ruby and Sapphire remakes, their excuse was, quote, unquote "Y'know, I think this information also applies to RSE Brendan and May, considering the whole multiverse thing and ORAS being seperate from RSE." For me this has no sense, if they're going to add different ages to characters based on their game, at least be consistent.

But this isn't the case that hurts the most, in Rei's and Akari's articles, Inkster was responsible of removing those two characters' ages, which previously was stated that they were 15. The reason for Inkster to remove that information, which not only was mentioned on the actual game, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, was simply because that age was mentioned by a NPC as an assumption of Rei/Akari's age so they can be part of the Survey Corps where it seems that the minimum age to be a Survey Corps member was at least 15, not to mention that no matter the character the player decides to play as, the character's counterpart would also appear on the game as another member of the Survey Corps, something that they weren't considering when editing those articles' trivia. I'd have been fine if Rei's/Akari's article didn't include any age if it wasn't for the fact that an age related to them is way clearer since that information is in the game and it actually hints something where for our current case, there isn't really anything but misinformation.

'''Team Rocket Grunt:''' It seems that you've had already somewhat of a problematic story with this user before so I suppose I shouldn't elaborate that much on explaining what's going on with this user so to put it briefly, this is a user who doesn't like to defend their point at the slightliest, they've always been reverting edits only because they disagree with previous edits and is someone who likes to assume that what they think is correct is a fact. But there's definitely something that you may not know and sums up this entire case perfectly.

A Staff Member from the Editorial Board, glik, declined Inkster's assumption on the player characters being either ten or eleven year olds, explicitly mentioning that their source DOESN'T CONFIRM ANYTHING, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ethan_%28game%29&type=revision&diff=3509642&oldid=3501915 Team Rocket Grunt had the audacity to revert glik's edit so that it can have Inkster's original edit that includes the 10/11 year old age.] By the way, when Inkster removed Rei's/Akari's age from their respective articles, they, being completely self-aware (since I have discussed with them previously) wrote "This was declined from both articles by a bereaucrat who has stated twice that the dialogue listed does not confirm anything." I am out of words, I apologize in advance for the trouble that something like an age has unleashed, I really find this whole situation completely ridiculous but I hope you take actions on this, you're the only one who I can recur to at this point.--[[User:Kynn|Kynn]] ([[User talk:Kynn|talk]]) 01:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding player character ages, some people (while not officially correctly) will assume a player character's age based on how they look or what else they have heard about the character. For example, May in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald looks like she is 7 years old to me, and another example being Lucas from Platinum seems 10 or 11.

That said, there are a few players with officially confirmed ages; Red is 11 and Elio/Selene is also 11 as stated in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 18:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Ruby_Sapphire_May.png RSE May] looks exactly the same as [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:May_AG.png her anime counterpart] (who is confirmed to be 10 there)... Sure, we don't know RSE May's exact age, but I have no idea why you believe she looks to be 7 years old, especially since there are clearly children that are shorter than her in RSE. 10/11 is very much a believable age range for her.

:Additionally, Red's age appears to be somewhat debatable. He's stated to be 11 in the American instruction manual, yet he's stated to be 10 in the European instruction manual instead; I'm not sure if his age has ever been stated in Japan (but it would certainly be the most accurate age if it was).

:In any case, I do kinda agree that the magazine shouldn't really be used as decisive proof of the ages for the protagonists (especially since Brendan/May are now listed with conflicting ages). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:: I'm late, but honestly we shouldn't take 'it looks like it was (a certain age)'as an official age, under that logic I would say that, for example, Calem and Serena look like if they were 17 but their manga counterparts are 5 years younger than that, I'm pretty sure no one, except for the users I mentioned, think that 10/11 is a confirmed age for those characters, it just spreads misinformation because you're making others think that they actually have a confirmed age when they clearly don't.

:: I honestly don't know how this is still an issue considering that glik clearly denied the information they keep adding so Force Fire, if you're reading this, I kindly ask that those characters' articles don't show any age, at least until there's a consensus about the situation. {{unsigned|Kynn}}

:Thought I'd make it clear that I blocked you on the grounds of the passive aggressive edits you made, and not whether I agree or disagree with the addition of the ages. I can see why Inkster and TRG would think the quote hints at the ages of pre-Gen V protagonists, yet the wording does seem to be too generalized and the two seem a little too eager to say Sugimori's referring to those characters specifically. So, I also don't think it counts as confirmation, wording is too generalized to make a judgement on the pre-Gen V protagonist's ages.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::Don't worry about it, as I wrote it on my talkpage, I felt that I had to take that route because it seemed like if no-one was actually checking CharacterDex frequently and I couldn't have known otherwise if I didn't do those edits, the edit war was just very evident to me so I found weird that very few users noticed it. Again, I want to apologize if my edits seemed rude from my part, I'll make sure to remove the age from those articles and I hope that next time there'll be a proper discussion related to these kind of topics before adding them to articles.--[[User:Kynn|''Kyn ~'']] 14:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Just so you know, that interview was from when Gen V released and showed the previous protagonists, so it was obvious that Sugimori referred to games prior to Gen V. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 14:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Listen, I'm pretty sure you actually had no bad intentions on researching information for those articles but I feel like you should've contacted someone else before adding it and causing so much trouble. {{unsigned|Kynn}}
:::::Inkster, do you have proof that the book showed previous protagonists in relation to that quote, or are you saying that because Dr. Lava put stock images of the previous protagonists on their article? If it's the latter, then... that's clearly not indicative of the content of the book. It's not like that image is scanned directly from the book itself. You're far too eager to put a number to a character without taking the context of the quote. The quote seemed more a general "we were told to make them older than what we usually do" not "we were told to make the protagonists older that the previous ones, who are 10-11".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::With you logic, than wouldn't that mean the protagonists are usually 10 or 11 years old? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::It's a generic statement, not an explicit one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::The [[player character]] article sourced that interview in that context that the quote implies the protagonists are usually 10 or 11 ("They are usually 10 or 11 years old"). [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::The exact quote is ''Sugimori: “So this time we received orders from Masuda to increase the ages of Black & White’s protagonists, to make them older than the 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games.”''. It does refer to the previous protagonists. I don't believe we, as a wiki, are supposed to decide what age of a character is more correct or not. I think we should just put all the factual data on the page and let the readers interpret however they want, that's how we won't ever spread any misinformation. Saying we know ''nothing'' isn't accurate if we there exist such quote.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::Exactly because this is a wiki, there shouldn't be added any information that suggests interpretation and it's not factual, it's just a generalization rather than a confirmed age, I'm aware that a bulbapedia guideline wants to have the most amount of information in the articles as possible but that doesn't mean that every single quote made by GAME FREAK should be added on an article, it has to be relevant if there should be one. {{unsigned|Kynn}}
:::::::::::But wouldn't that Sugimori said be relevant? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::The way I see it is that, if information that is actually in a game isn't going to be considered then it has way less sense to add such a quote like this one and yes, I'm referring to Rei's and Akari's articles, as I wrote I'm fine with those not showing an age but why wouldn't they show the age that they hinted in the actual game but those other characters' articles do show an age when its source is far more recherche. {{unsigned|Kynn}}

:::::::::::::Also, I still think that the quote berely confirms something--[[User:Kynn|''Kyn ~'']] 15:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I tried to edit May's page because even if she ain't seven like I think for RSE she has to be at least 10 but clearly isn't 12. ORAS May looks like she has actually gone through puberty a little but RSE May looks like she is still very young, like under 11. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 02:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
:It has already been explained to you that appearances do no matter when it comes to confirming the ages of characters. Only textual evidence or confirmation from an official source can be used to determine the age of characters. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 03:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

:So, I think we can bring back Sugimori's quote about protagonists' age. Kynn doesn't think we can use information outside the games, but that's not how it's done here.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 12:04, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
::The quote doesn't say that ''all'' of the previous protagonists were 10 or 11. Additionally, Brendan/May's age in ORAS contradicts this quote as well. Even if those remakes came out after this quote, it seems strange to list two different ages for what is basically the same game. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Pokemon universe doesn't have consistent timeline nor character ages. It's fine if character has two different ages depending on the game, especially in case of ORAS which is implied to be from different timeline. Again, we DO NOT decide what's canon and what's not, we just get all the information and present it to the readers. And the quote does talk about all previous protagonists.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 11:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::::"''And the quote does talk about all previous protagonists.''"
::::This is just how you're choosing to interpret it. Saying "The 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games" is not the same as saying "the 10 or 11 year olds we used in '''all''' of the previous games (if it was the latter, I would agree with you). For all we know, he was referring to Red/Leaf (who are confirmed to be 10/11) and the Gen 2 and/or 4 protagonists. The quote is up for interpretation, which is why it can't be used as solid evidence. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Precisely, it's a vague, generalized quote that doesn't go into specific. Again, users are all too eager to add a number whenever it shows up.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::The most straightforward interpretation is that they all were 10 or 11. His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits. Ignoring it is not a good way to deal with it. His quote still should be mentioned in the age section of these character's infoboxes.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 10:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::"''The most straightforward interpretation is that they all were 10 or 11.''"
:::::::A straightforward interpretation is still an interpretation.
:::::::"''His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits.''"
:::::::Again, it's really more of a generalization. Maybe Brendan/May were 12, but the other protagonists were 10/11, in which case the quote would still make sense; 12 would not make them significantly older than the other protagonists. Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15 is far more noticeable, hence why he noted it in the first place. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::You're forgetting that I never originally added what he said to Brendan/May's articles, as they were already confirmed to be 12.[[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::And by "confirmed" I mean retconned. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
A "retcon" for what already seemed to be mostly a generalization (again, he never said ''all'' of the prior protagonists were 10/11) feels more like that statement shouldn't be taken entirely at face value. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
{{Indent}} I never said that, he only said "older than the 10 or 11 year-olds we used in ''previous games''" (note this interview was from when Gen V released), which ''suggests'' the Gen II and IV PCs were also within that age range. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 00:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:I'm aware of when the interview took place and I did I mention above that this was a possibility, yes. I was mainly stating that I'm not comfortable with listing the statement as hard confirmation of their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
::If it isn't considered hard confirmation, is there anything against listing them as "''about'' 10/11"? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 01:21, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::'''PokemonMasterJamal3''': Brendan and May weren't stated to be 12 at that time. I'm not saying you're supposed to believe in 100% they are that age, I'm saying it has to be noted that they all were described to be that age, otherwise it's dictating what people should think and gatekeeping the information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 22:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
::::The word "all" was never stated by Sugimori, which is what I'm trying to emphasize here. I'm not stating the info is useless or anything, I'm just saying I don't think it's concrete enough to list as their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 23:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Bottom line, ForceFire declined it, so they had the final word on this matter. It doesn't confirm anything and that's final. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::It's still the straightforward sense of this sentence, he would need to add exeptions if he wanted us to know it's not about all of them. Adding the age to the page doesn't make it universal fact it just means they were meant to be that age at some point, different games still could retcon the age multiple times. I just want us to report all what we know and not gatekeep information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 17:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

== New Pokemon Infobox ==

Since we have a few new Pokemon today, I have an opportunity to make a suggestion. When a new Pokemon is revealed we don't know a lot of information about it which makes the infoboxes full of "Unknown" labels and the navbox on the top of the page is completely useless. I think it could be better to have a simplified version of these infoboxes to show what we know and what we're supposed to know. I made an example here: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/New_Pok%C3%A9mon_Infobox]. I think it would look more professional and complete and also, it would help keep track of all revealed Pokemon and connect their pages for better navigation, because the page "List of Pokemon by national dex" is protected, rarely updated, and it doesn't show images.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:Saw it when it was made. Instantly didn't think it was necessary. No need to fix what isn't broken. There being "unknown" in the infobox is something that can't be helped when there's new Pokemon. Same with the navbox being "useless", that's just natural for a new Pokemon article to not have much. There's also no need to have the other new Pokemon shown in the navbox, it just clogs up the article and makes it look unsightly. If people wanted to know what the other new Pokemon are, they can, you know, browse the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:Nonetheless, I hope the staff will like this idea and not disregard it instantly.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokémon template ==
Can you fix your edit to the Legendary Pokémon template so a line is separating gen 8 and gen 9?--[[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 17:11, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Image debuts ==

Lusamine, Gladion, Mohn, and Professor Magnolia were all listed as picture debuts for those respective episodes, and the episodes where they physically debuted (or in Mohn's case, first appeared in a flashback) were also listed as in person debuts. There are probably more examples of this, too. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:While the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Pokémon appearances and debuts|anime manual of style]] only notes Pokemon, I think it makes sense to count human characters in the rule as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::What's the ruling on flashbacks? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::Additionally, what's the ruling on fantasy appearances? Professor Cerise's first appearance is listed as JN001 on his page, even though it was only a fantasy appearance. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I think it's a similar ruling to Pokemon (even though it's not written down), fantasies don't count as debuts while flashbacks do (and the debut would probably count twice, once for the flashback and once for the in-person appearance).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Since it's a somewhat relevant topic, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category_talk:Episodes_in_which_a_Champion_appears I posted something about Champion appearances a while back]. Do you have an opinion on this? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 16:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::That category should only count physical appearance, imo. Having fantasies/flashbacks/photos count feels like it's just bloating the category with minor appearances (though one could argue there are important flashbacks that drive the plot, so that's probably something to consider).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== MinnieG again ==

I've posted about them before, but MinnieG's edits are starting to become a bit of an issue.

They usually contain some mixture of:
# Poor grammar/awkward wording (which will often overwrite perfectly fine edits prior to it). It doesn't help that these tend to be fairly lengthy edits.
# A tendency to focus too heavily on generic character relationship aspects, such as saying that a protagonist is protective/supportive of their friends... which is a trait that every single protagonist shares (making it far from unique).
# Related to point 2, most of their edits in the "Character" section of protagonists' pages are almost exactly the same structure-wise. For example:

"Lillie at times has shown to lose her composure when pushed into a wall, becoming depresses and unsure of herself. However, Lillie manages to pick herself back up through her friends support and encouragement, which inspired her to not give up. This is shown when she decided to put an end to her fear of touching Pokémon in ''Mission: Total Recall!'' and perfecting Subzero Slammer with Snowy in ''Chasing Memories, Creating Dreams!'' because of her resolve."

"In addition, Mallow has shown to lose her composer when pushed to the side, as she would doubt herself. However, Mallow would pick herself back up through the help of her friends. This is shown when made a meal for Tapu Koko while working at Oranguru's place in ''A Recipe for Success!'' and perfected Bloom Doom with Tsarrena during her battle with Lana at the Alola Pokémon League in ''Battling Besties!'' because of her resolve." [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 20:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

:MinnieG's a user that I've kept an eye on from time to time, the way they edit is quite familiar, but I unfortunately can't do a check on them. Their repetitive edits can seem jarring, and really the only way they can stop is if the improve on their grammar, make better judgement on what is notable, and be a bit more creative with their sentences.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Deletion of "Old Verses" ==

I explained it on {{ut|Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles's talk page}}, but you think that redirect is fine. If yes, then why? Redirects for plurals are discouraged because of the way MediaWiki links work: <code><nowiki>[[Old Verse]]s</nowiki></code> gives [[Old Verse]]s. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 08:39, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:Since when has redirects for plurals been discouraged? We have [[moves]] and [[signature moves]] and [[abilities]] and plenty others. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:50, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
::Some exist (and are encouraged) due to ''irregular'' plurals, such as [[abilities]] (singular is ''ability'', note the change: -y → -ie- + -s), but you might think the [[moves]] and [[signature moves]] redirects exist rather for search reasons? --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 09:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes, plural links are good for search purposes. There is more than one Old Verse, so people are likely to search "Old Verses" searching for information about the Old Verse Key Items. And for irregular plurals, we have link templates for many of those such as {{Berries}} and {{Abilities}}. But we still have a redirect because it is useful for search purposes. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 09:13, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

==Mega Anime Move Boxes==
I was wondering if we could create a seperate anime move box for Pokemon in the anime that have mega evolved like we have for those who use Z-Moves, Dynamax and Gygantamax, for example
{{anmov/h|fighting|steel|Ash Mega Lucario {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0=Aura Sphere|1=Force Palm|2=Steel Beam|3=Double Team}}.png|Using {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}||0=Aura Sphere|1=Force Palm|2=Steel Beam|3=Double Team}}}}
{{anmov|fighting|Aura Sphere|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|fighting|Force Palm|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|steel|Steel Beam|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|normal|Double Team|JN108|}}
{{anmov/f|steel}}--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

:With Z-moves and Dynamax moves, they are completely different moves with completely different gimmicks. Whereas the moves Mega Evolutions use are just the same regular moves. So I don't see a need to duplicate the same info.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::While I understand that, Ash-Greninja has its moves listed in a separate box. So could the same possibly apply to Mega Evolutions? Moreover, with Mega Evolutions, the template could show off the user's changed type. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:06, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Honestly, I don't think Ash-Greninja needs its own move box either. And I don't think showcasing changes in typing would be enough to justify the duplicate information. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Never noticed Ash-Greninja having its own template. I'm all for removing it due to it basically duplicating the same info as the regular form's move template. While showing a different form using a move is a good enough reason to split, I still think it's just duplicating the same info (different types also seem too minor to consider).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

==Infernape Fire Punch==
Fair enough on the previous point, just to verify, can we say for sure that Infernape definitely used Fire Punch whilst the other moves were unconfirmed?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:05, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, Fire Punch has a unique animation (I say that with certainty because I can't imagine another move that could be animated similarly, Comet Punch may be, but that has never been animated with flames).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::In Pokémon Adventures, there was an instance of a Pokémon covering its fists with fire to attack without it using Fire Punch, so IMO, it could've been something similar and not a move at all. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Eh, I'm in the mindset of separating anime and manga. They're two different mediums that are far too different have one cancel out the other. And the unique move animation policy only covers anime (to be honest, manga never crossed my mind when I started that policy)--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Ignoring comments ==

I haven't heard anything from you about my last question about Lana's Lapras in about two weeks despite your obvious activity. What is the point of pushing for discussion if the higher ups are going to ignore them?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:There are 50+ sections on this talk page, with some being quite extensive, so it's pretty easy to miss smaller sections that are in between bigger sections like the Lana's Lapras section. For Lapras, don't think a consensus was given for Ride Pokemon at the time, but from what I can gather from Kiawe's Charizard (who was in the same boat), it was only mainspaced once it was clear that it was actually his Pokemon and not one owned by the whole family. So the same would go for Lapras, was it actually stated that it was a Pokemon she actually owns (thus would make it notable) or does her whole family own it. Again, you are just looking that the notability requirements and arbitrarily saying things are notable, without actually looking at the context/bigger picture.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for the response. I have no idea if it is owned by only her or the family, though wouldn't it still be considered Lana's regardless? And I am looking at the rules and trying to find what fits within them. Considering I keep 'missing the bigger picture' despite working on this wiki for a decade, I would say the rules are unclear or failing to convey what is actually needed for something to be mainspaced. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 23:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I think the point Force Fire is making is that an article fulfilling the bare minimum requirements for notability doesn't automatically make it good enough for the mainspace. As for you wanting more specific rules/criteria, each article is going to have its own unique context that needs to be accounted for. There is no number of rules or extra requirements that will work for every situation. All I can say is that generally an article should be substantial and interesting to read. If an article technically fits the requirements, but seems like it's missing important context that hasn't been revealed yet, or isn't interesting and engaging enough, it's probably not ready for the mainspace. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 05:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Precisely what Landfish said. You're just reading that a Pokemon needs to be owned by a main character/appear more than three times/do more than battling, without actually thinking about the specific situations that would make a Pokemon notable. What did the Pokemon do in its non battle episodes? Did it help its trainer? Did it solve a conflict? In Lapras's case, is it actually her Pokemon? We can't expand the criteria for every specific instance because each Pokemon is different and their reasons for being notable are going to be different each time. Yes, by just simply reading the notability requirements, Lapras would be notable for being owned by a main character. But the bigger context/picture is whether Lana actually owned the Lapras. Being owned by the family doesn't mean it's solely Lana's Pokemon, it's not like she took it everywhere like Kiawe did with his Charizard nor did it have a backstory revelaing who actually owns it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Carbink & Diancie's signature typing. ==

I can understand Toxicroak & Sneaseler, for example, but Diancie is literally a mutated Carbink. How are they not related enough for their unique typing to be trivia? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Because they are no related by evolution, period. So it's not unique to one Pokemon or one evolutionary line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::True, but they are related, period. It's not a coincidence that they share the same type, so it seems silly that we can't make an exception. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:39, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Oh, and before Ultra Necrozma, didn't Lati@s have this in their trivia, despite being 2 different Pokemon? Or am I remembering wrong? (I'm trying to check, but the website's being screwy again). [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::::They may be related by lore, but they are ''still not'' related by evolution. You can't evolve a Carbink into a Diancie, and you can't breed Diancie to get Carbink. They are still treated as individual Pokemon. Thus, they are not related by evolution, making the trivia not unique to one Pokemon or evolutionary line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::The same goes for the Lati@s twins, but they had the unique type trivia. (at least I remember them having it; I'm still having trouble checking). Why did they get special treatment? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::I can assure you, Lati@s was never said to be the only Dragon/Psychic types. And even if it was, it was probably swiftly reverted, as [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2625577&oldid=2625575 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2625576&oldid=2625574 two] edits from 2017 (the year Ultra Necrozma became a thing, and were the only two edits relating to their types throughout 2017) show. And it also shows that it was not reverted because of Ultra Necrozma, it was reverted because Lati@s are not related by evolution (they are related by lore, but are still treated as individual species with not evolutionary relations).
::::::And [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_unique_type_combinations&diff=2525256&oldid=2525254 this 2016 edits] on the type combination article shows the Lati@s was never in the main template but in the trivia section with Solrock/Lunatone and Carbink/Diancie.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Huh, I could've sworn it was for some reason. Very well then. I still think it should be added, but I can tell I'm not going to win this, so I'll leave it be. Good bye. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Exclusive pages for the 8 Masters/Champions ==

In view of the discussion with the Pokémon of some characters, I decided to ask this question before wasting unnecessary time. I'm working on a page of [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Lance (anime)|Lance]] and his story within the anime, trying to get away from what's on his main page (where it talks more technical details than what he actually did in the anime canon). It was close to what I was trying to do with Cynthia's page, which I left on a [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Cynthia (anime) extended history|reserve page]] to work on later, but I would like to know if if I continued this and did it for the other Champions, what are the chances of this being approved and going for mainspace?

Theoretically, the only characters I need to do this would be Steven, Diantha and Lance (which is pretty much finished already), since Iris, Leon, Cynthia, Alain and Ash already have their pages. My intention was to hand it in after the tournament was over, but as apparently there's been some discussion about what's notable and what's not, I decided to ask at once. Should I go ahead with this or are the chances of being approved zero?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Gender difference ==

While I can agree with your point regarding Meganium's gender difference, what about Gyarados? Paul's Gyarados, for example, had blue whiskers. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:Read the {{bp|Speculation policy}}, in Paul's Gyarados's case, the female variant of Gyarados has not appeared in the anime yet so we can't use its gender difference. Just because other gender differences have been acknowledged, doesn't immediately mean all of them are acknowledge, the anime needs to acknowledge each one of them. Raichu's gender difference wasn't even acknowledged, even when Tierno's Racihu had hhr gender confirmed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
::Wasn't sure if a female Gyarados had appeared yet. Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Meganium's gender difference isn't based on length of the anthennas, but their shape. They clearly drew them in different way than previously. Oliver's Meganium has antennas pointing upwards.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
<gallery>
154Meganium OS anime.png|anime art
Elisa Meganium.png|Meganium (before adding gender difference)
File:JN020 Meganium.png|acklowledgement of the difference
</gallery>
::::Male Meganium's antennae are longer than the female, so yes, it's absolutely based off length. The shape is only like that because it's following the shape of the head, the female antennae does the same thing (it follows the shape of the head).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::You know well it's not true.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 22:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

== Categories ==

Could you not jump to your admin power and please start a discussion first? You know, the thing you preach that us lesser beings have to do? Both Infernape and Greninja are one of the heaviest focused Pokémon of their series and a category for their focused episode like any other important character makes sense. If someone else gets an Infernape-dumb argument but okay-then why not make the name “Ash’s Infernape” like I started with? Fixed your issue with it, right? Looking forward to your response!--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:I also want to add that reserving it for walking Pokémon is an odd cutoff. Togepi or Dedenne has hardly done anything compared to those two. Is this not worth taking another look at after a decade?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
::At one point, I made a category for episodes about Mimikyu, but came to kind of regret doing it later after seeing how little episodes it had. Could you remove it? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:::That helps prove my point. Mimikyu is a walking Pokémon with a small amount of focused episodes. What, like 5 compared to 20? Being a walking Pokémon isn’t the best way to determine these categories.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Hello? You undid my edits and I want to talk about it.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 18:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}If you want to suggest making new categories, you need to ask on a talk page. Don't just do as you please. And it was also once deleted before, so I deleted it again. We don't need categories for literally every Pokemon a characters owns, and the ones that you deem important were really only important for their own series, unlike Pikachu or Meowth who are basically main characters. I personally would restrict it even further to just those two, or maybe include Wobbfuffet just for how long its been around.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

== User:Great designer ==

[[User:Great designer]] has left a trace of many suspicious activities here in addition to manipulating puppet accounts. The user page contains some overt information on stalking and impersonating, which they have been doing since mid-February. There is also much evidence of their insulting and harassing other users and bureaucrats on social media with ''ad hominem'' attacks followed by long and opaque statements. The user claims to have sent an email and addressed some unspecified topics on 17 June 2020 (UTC). The message was left on [[User talk:DzaiSheng]] and [[User talk:Great designer]], but no such email has been received as of now. This makes their latest activity very dubious. The eponymous account on 52Poké has been permanently banned since late April for repeated misuse and appropriation of contributions by others in and out of the site. Considering his wrongdoings on the sibling site and on social media, I would suggest keeping a close watch over what they vow to do next.[[User:DzaiSheng|DzaiSheng]] ([[User talk:DzaiSheng|talk]]) 09:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== Add Page to template. ==

Heya,

I made [[List of other event distributions (Generation IX)]], as the first distribution for Scarlet and Violet had just been announced. Can this page be added to [[Template:Event Pokémon]]? Also the Generation 4 GTS link on this template links to a redirect, if this can be corrected or the original page moved back to where it used to be. [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
::You deleted the Generation 7 page from the template there.[[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Oops, fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::: Can you also add: [[List of internet event Pokémon distributions (Generation IX)]], and also the lochide function to the [[Template:LAevent/head]] template so its consistent with the standard [[Template:G8event/head|generation 8]] template? Thanks! -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 13:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::: Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::Get rid of the extra <code><nowiki>style="</nowiki></code> and it should work. The line should read like this: <code><nowiki>! style="{{#if: {{{lochide|}}}|display:none;}} background:#{{Legends Arceus color light}}" | Location</nowiki></code> -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 14:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::: And [[List of local event Pokémon distributions (Generation VIII)]]-- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 11:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

:Add [[List of serial code event Pokémon distributions (Generation IX)]] -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 06:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
::Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon in Russia]] ==

Would it be a good idea to hide the two latest revisions from Inkster on this article, since the vandalism is still present and visible there? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
:Oh and it's visible in your last revision too. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Looks like Inkster didn't remove all of the vandal's edit in their undo edit, so my rollback of the vandal only removed what Inkster removed. I've hidden all the edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Volcanion ==

Did you intend to make Volcanion's species page only editable by administrators? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 05:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:Oh... um... oops. Fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Type specialists ==

Hi! Sorry to bother you, but I was hoping to get your input on [[User talk:Pale Prism#Specialists|this discussion]] about type specialists. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 00:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
:Bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 01:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
::Bumpity, bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 23:33, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Ugh. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 04:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::It would be nicer to restart the topic instead of bumping an existing one. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Arctozolt ==
Hey, I rewatched some of Journeys's old episodes, and saw that Goh's Arctozolt appeared in (at least) three episodes. Its debut episode, well it was prominent for about 90% of the episode (unlike most of Goh's Pokémon). And like, I said, made a few more (somewhat) prominent appearances on Journeys. I already have a draft created, so can I have permission to officially post an Arctozolt article on the Main Page of Bulbapedia?

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 04:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:The notability requirements states: Those that haven't had plot significance must be used by him in at least two different episodes, in addition to their capture episode. So Goh needs to use it one more time. Just appearing three times means nothing if it only did something notable in one of those times. Side note: if you're wondering, yes I checked all of Goh's other reserve Pokemon and they still meet the requirement of being used by him at least twice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Type specialists+ ==

Hi! So, according to you, [[Elesa]] should qualify as a notable {{type|Electric}} specialist of her sex because she's the only female out of six. On the other hand, [[Bede]] shouldn't count as a notable {{type|Fairy}} specialist of his sex because he's the only male out of four.

Honestly, that's all fine and dandy, but it leads to an obvious question: what about characters who are 1 in 5? — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 00:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
:These "x out y" trivia should be based on common sense, you don't need to ask for every single different variation. What's next? is 1 out of 7 notable? Just use a bit of common sense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
::<q>These <q>x out y</q> trivia should be based on common sense.</q> Agreed! Wonderful. Brilliant… Very enlightening… All of my questions have been answered?!
::Really though, I agree that there should be a standard as to how to deal with these situations. Your ideas are great and all, but I'm more concerned with accuracy and consistency. As per the existing standards, I was under the impression that 1 in 4 was notable, and 1 in 6 wasn't, but I guess that that's completely arbitrary? 1 in 5 is completely up in the air? There's not something in the Bulbapedia help guide that says otherwise, is there?
::I'm not asking about every single case (I legitimately don't know how you arrived at such a weird conclusion); I was presented with a 1/6 case and a 1/4 case, and I wanted to know what the intermediate case would be. {{unsigned|Pale Prism}}
:::IIRC 1/3 and 1/4 are generally not considered notable. 1/5 is probably going to be a case-by-case situation. 1/6 is probably fine, but again it may depend on the context. Instead of focusing on an exact number rule, Force Fire is (probably) saying that we should consider the context and think about whether it makes sense in the first place for that trivia to be included. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 04:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

==[[Ivysaur_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#May.27s_Ivysaur|May's Ivysaur]]==
Before getting into an edit war, I would like to know what criteria are used to consider a Pokemon that has never been shown in the anime, a "notable appearance".
I undid that part and then it was undone (for a change...). Not even May's Venusaur has exactly notable criteria in the anime.

Since it doesn't have a section for Clemont's Helioptile, Gary's Wartotle or Paul's Grotle (which is fair), it doesn't seem to make any sense to do that.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:54, 06 July 2022 (UTC)
:Decided to remove it after some reconsideration. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 22:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Diantha (anime) ==

Does [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Diantha (anime)|this]] page have the requirements to go to mainspace?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 23:25, 09 July 2022 (UTC)
:All she has done is battle. Even if the Masters 8 Tournaments are more notable battles, the "only battled" rule does not take into account importance. It's still just a battle. And expanding a simple sentence and making overly detailed '''will not''' make an article more notable. It just bloats the article with unnecessary fluff. It's not the size of the article that determines notability. It's the actions of the character.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm not going to argue, I'm sad but unfortunately ok. Just wanted to say, when I make detailed pages for Diantha, Bea, or Cynthia, I don't want to put unnecessary material. This is character development, making an article and just putting that character "appears in episode X, reappears in episode Y, appears in flashback in episode Z" is simpler to eliminate pages of the characters and put a table with the appearances only. Cynthia's page before I tried to add content looked like a draft, which is pretty weird for one of the more developed characters in the anime.
:::But as I said I won't argue or try to make anyone change their mind, it's up to me to accept and let it go,I won't delete the pages of the characters I created if someday the staff thinks these pages are ready for mainspace, they will be there. Thanks for the feedback anyway. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::I would like to know if the page has already met the requirements to be able to go to mainspace. At the end of Journeys I intend to request the deletion of practically all my userpages and this is one that I would like to get some approval for because it took considerable time to do. -[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 02:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Image error ==

There's an ongoing error that's been happening for a couple of days. Whenever there's a new image uploaded, it shows this: Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127. How long do you think it'll take for this to be fixed? [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 02:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

== Element symbol ==

I think it's more precisely referred to as an "element symbol", though some people use the term "periodic symbol" as well, so it's probably fine as it is. "Chemical symbol" usually also includes information such as the mass number and the atomic number and such, so that's probably not the best term to use. Just thought I'd inform you! [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
:I see, thanks.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger ==

AlolanRanger has continued to post dubious trivia with poor grammar ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN109&diff=3545647&oldid=3536333 like here, for example)]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

== Floette ==

There's currently an edit war on the Floette page regarding the use of the term "Legendary Pokémon" to refer to Eternal Flower Floette. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 08:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

== you dont add powerful ==

that doesn't make sense

Paul's Urusing has it down to eb extremely powerful You have down for Ash Palpitoad as physical tough and many other pokemon in the Series that has something similar

we have Ash dragonite as extremely resilient and strong Pokémon

Ash Heracros as powerful battler

so what the difference to me its called Nothing. Im pretty sure, you all against me thats why when I add something you all need to jump at me {{unsigned|Gian9456}}

== Trivia ==

JN91 Same Trivia Me has seen In AG178 and M18 page trivia section [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 17:40, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
:Doesn't matter, it's not notable the third time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I was skip--Gian9456 01:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

== Am I still blocked? ==

I recently tried editing MY PAGE, and saw that any of my edits resulted in level three vandalism. I took a look at the FAQ page. and I saw that I could be in an abuse condition, am I right about this? [[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 13:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Are you trying to edit your ''user''page? Because if so, you have to be {{bp|autoconfirmed}} before you can edit your userpage. To become autoconfirmed, you have to have been a user for some time and make a certain number of '''main'''space edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

::Oh sorry, actually I was talking about my own talk page.[[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 13:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Are you trying to remove the welcome template, or any other content, again? That's probably why. Please stop trying to remove content from your talk page, per the {{bp|Talk page policy}}, leave any discussion and the welcome template as they are.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:::It wasn't the welcome message that I tried to remove, but my statements, which I consider insignificant, i read the Talk Page Policy, and saw I really can't do this. I really want to believe that no administrator used their power to manipulate this rule and that it has NEVER BEEN BROKEN. Even without the concrete answer, I conclude that I am no longer blocked, thanks for your attention, [[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 14:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== JN119 ==

The episode currently titled as JN119 ("Chloe and Eevee - The Miracle of Evolution") was confirmed not to be a numbered episode yesterday. It's going to be a clip show episode instead. Could you move and renumber episode articles accordingly? Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:As in, an unnumbered clip show. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
::Moved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:30, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Okay, now things are becoming confusing, since the official anipoke_pr Twitter page is not calling the clip show "episode 119", after all. I do not know how long the episode will be, but if it turns out to be a normal length episode, I suppose it should be moved back. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::All this discussion is kind of irrelevant until the episode is officially aired, no? If the episode has unreleased scenes, it's basically a normal episode. The mention of it being episode 119 is more because the episode is taking up the show's traditional timeslot, I think.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) ([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC))
:::::We're aware. It's best to wait 'til the episode airs and see how things play out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::I'd say we can count this as a regular episode. While a clip show and a bit longer than a normal episode, it had an opening, commercial break, end credits, and a next episode preview. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

== Another pointless edit war ==

Somehow, there is still an edit war on the [[player character]] article relating to ages, which is even more pointless as you have previously stated the used source is a vague generalization that doesn't go into specific details. The segment on the article itself ("They are usually 10 or 11 years old" is reminisent of the "all trainers are 10" conclusion that many jump to without any official confirmation. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:04, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:There's a difference between saying that source implies certain characters are 10/11 and using it as generic, catch-all source as the player character articles uses it. It's fine on the player character article as it's being used in a general context rather than it saying that ''specific'' characters are 10/11.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:23, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::If this is saying they're ''generally'' 10-11 as opposed to ''specific'' ones, wouldn't that make it acceptable be added to their articles as "According to Ken Sugimori, the protagonists are ''usually'' 10 or 11 years of age" in a general context or? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 13:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:::It's fine on the general player character article, but not the individual specific characters because it doesn't name which ones.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::::I see. Although I'd like to mention that Red's article says that he is 10 in the European version, but I can't find any source that confirms this. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 13:54, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

== MinneG yet again ==

I've posted about them twice in the past, but I would like to bring up their edits once again.

Compare [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3552885&oldid=3552701 their most recent edit to Chloe's Eevee] to these other edits made by confirmed Kittystyler sockpuppets:

* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3331916&oldid=3331873 Example 1]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3334421&oldid=3334100 Example 2]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3340321&oldid=3339909 Example 3]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3358172&oldid=3352145 Example 4]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3399183&oldid=3396956 Example 5]

At this point, I find it extremely difficult to believe that this could be anyone other than Kittystyler.

Additionally, even outside of them being a likely sockpuppet, MinnieG's poor grammar and tendency to focus too heavily on minor details (such as overfocusing too much on character relationships) has continued to be an issue despite the multiple messages on their talk page.

I'm aware that a check is not really an option at this point, but is there really nothing that can be done? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:I've been monitoring this use for a while, and while I can't do an IP check, their edits are way too similar to past sockpuppets to not be KittyStyler. They've been blocked.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

== Cynthia's Garchomp ==

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cynthia%27s_Garchomp&oldid=3553808

''Be patient, it can be added after the episode airs. Stop rushing things just to be the first.''

I've noticed that several things I post are reversed but strangely when other users post THE SAME CONTENT it goes by smoothly, so I start to think that it actually has something to do with what I post. It wasn't enough that I was forced to delete my discord account because I had a "pseudo admin" coming to piss me off in my inboxes.

You once said that I take things too personally, but certain actions don't do much to erase that idea.

I uploaded the image because it was released in high resolution and hosted it on the site, as I did '''EVERY TIME''' I hosted an image. It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be first in something. Good night--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 22:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC))

== Iamdisha ==

Despite having been warned about it three times, Iamdisha continues to be making an excessive number of edits in a short period of time. They seem to have a history of ignoring their talk page, so I didn't see any point in giving them a fourth warning that they'll just ignore, so I figured I'd bring it to your attention instead. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:10, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

== New Episode Category ==

Hello, I would like to know if you object to me creating a category of episodes focused on Cynthia, since she has some episodes that don't involve battles, I believe it makes sense to have that.--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC))
:[[:Category:Episodes in which a Champion appears]] should suffice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]]

== Am I allowed to do this? If so, is there a fast way to do it? ==

In the Pokemon GO section, every Pokemon that learns Frustration/Return has a {{tt|‡|As Shadow/Purified Pokémon}} symbol next to it. That symbol is also used for moves that can no longer be learned or require an Elite TM, so I think it'd be better replace it with a [[File:GO Shadow icon.png|24px]] and [[File:GO Purified icon.png|24px]] respectively. Would this be allowed, and is there an easy way to do it? (ie, BulbaBot or something?) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 04:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

Heya. How are you doing?
I’d like to make a suggestion: instead of using screenshots for moves and 3D Pokémon sprites, why not use GIFs instead, like for the moves as they appear in 2D? In the case of moves, they allow users to see what a move fully looks like without having to go to YouTube. I think it’s better than using multiple screenshots. What do you think?

Also, mind telling me what it’s like in Australia? :D [[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 12:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
:That's never gonna happen. Animated models are simply too large and will cause slower load times, especially if we're going to have multiple of them animated. It's simply not worth it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry to butt in, but this should only be part of Bulbapedia's past, NOT present. I may know that already, but other EP wikis don't care and just put animated 2D renders of the models. Also, I think this is mostly a very historic "policy", which Bulbapedia tends to adhere to, but in a really bad way. This was, I think, only part of worries that e.g. it will cause memory leaks while rendering the image in IE (which we mustn't worry about now). It's never too early or too late to introduce them. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 15:15, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
:::The issue isn't that we don't want them, the issue is that the files would be too large for the site to handle, as well as having more than one animated image on an article, which may cause severe load times.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:24, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== Evolution data ==

I noticed the explanation for reversions was "consistency"

My response: consistency with what?

At the time of the edits no other Generation IX Pokémon page had the sentence, and the pages for those Pokémon in question still do not. Cetitan still does not. Fidough still does not. The starters still do not. What does it need to be consistent with?

My stance: wouldn’t it make more sense to leave out evolution data until the game releases, or at the very least if a trailer drops? Because the use of the sentence "It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon” is kinda synonymous with Pokémon that don’t evolve at all. We don’t know if any of these Pokémon will have evolved forms, so why use a sentence that insinuates they won’t? At the least just put the word “currently” in there. [[User:Crummymummy|Crummymummy]] ([[User talk:Crummymummy|talk]]) 18:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:It's to be consistent with all other Pokémon not known to have an evolution. Aerodactyl ''could'' get an evolution in Gen IX too but that doesn't mean we remove the evolution info for it. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 20:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
::It's to be consistent with all the other 805 Pokemon, not just the other Gen IX Pokemon. Just because some of them don't have it, doesn't mean none of them should have it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Adding to Unique Type Combination templates ==
Hello, I'm here to suggest adding a Gen VIII column to the Former Unique Type Combination template, an several Gen IX Pokemon have sent other Pokemon into that chart. [[User:PinkYoshiGaming|PinkYoshiGaming]] ([[User talk:PinkYoshiGaming|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:It's on my list of things to do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger ==

[[User talk:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] is still solely focusing on adding unnotable trivia to articles. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 21:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Question ==

Is it possible for regular users to edit the sprites section of Pokémon articles? If so, could you show me how, please?[[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 11:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
:If you mean the spritebox, then no, only staff members can edit those.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, okay, thanks for letting me know. I asked because I thought that using GIFs for 3D Pokémon sprites would be better than using static images.[[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 11:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:Animated models are out of the question as they can be very large in size and will cause the site to load slower, especially if were to have multiple animated models playing at the same time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::Animated models from generation 6 like on [https://projectpokemon.org/home/docs/spriteindex_148/3d-models-generation-1-pok%C3%A9mon-r90/ this site] weight around 200KB, same like some of BW sprites which are already used on Bulbapedia. I think we could eventually update models for newer generation. I guess it depends on the tech guys behind Bulbapedia when they fix image issues.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 13:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Is there any way they could be set to only load the GIF/APNG and animate if hovered over, with the first frame being loaded as a static image the rest of the time? I've seen that capability on other platforms, having them be "static images unless interacted with" could reduce the strain, they could play one at a time versus all at once. [[User:Atrius97|Atrius97]] ([[User talk:Atrius97|talk]]) 14:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::::Or maybe we could start having separate gallery pages for each Pokémon. Something like [[Pikachu (Pokémon)/Gallery]]. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 14:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::I would even expand that on "non-essential data" (or with a different name). The most common complains about Bulbapedia I hear is that you need to scroll over a lot of data to see what you really want, stats, moves or weaknesses.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 18:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

== Please don't break the rules ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia:Userspace_policy Here] it is written that: "'''Users at administrator level or above have the authority to delete any content they feel is breaching the userspace policy. Offenders will generally be given a day or two to "rescue" their content and save it somewhere that isn't on Bulbapedia.'''". I didn't break any rule so I don't see a reason to be banned besides you being prejudiced against me. If you want me to put that edit on my subpage then at least don't make it impossible to access. It doesn't make any difference to me and I would be happy to talk instead of all this.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:14, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
:As I presume you just completely ignored my comment on your talk page, here is the same message.
:Once again, you must be reminded on this. Do '''not''' go around making largescale edits without permission, especially if you are going to just undo yourself. That makes it completely unnecessary and almost vandal-like. If you want to showcase a suggestion, do so in your userspace, stop going around acting like the site is your play thing. Before you cry "it's not in any policies", it's common sense. Not everything needs to be written down, particularly when it comes to common sense things. Also, I was being pretty lenient in my reminder in the previous discussion, but your snarky response suggests you don't want me to be lenient. It doesn't matter if you're making mainspace ideas, it doesn't make you above policy or of higher authority, you still need to abide by it.

So next time you have some giant suggestion, make a userpage. Do '''not''' make such an unnecessary edit.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

:It really makes no difference to me. Add that to the rules. I thought I'm making it simpler for everyone by not making new pages for no reason. So, anyway what's your opinion on that suggestion? Btw, I found two subpages of mine that I don't use [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/Template] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/Categorytable], can you delete them, please?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
::I'm not addind common sense to the policy. Common sense doesn't need to be written, not every little thing that users disagree with needs to be written down in a policy.
::And if it makes no difference to you, then that implies you'd do it again. Once again showing no real fear of consequence. If you do such a thing again, it doesn't make it any more right. The penalty will just be harsher.
::No one is going to bregrudge you for making another userpage with suggestions, why would you even think that.
::If you want my opinion on your suggestion, it's similar to what Nescientist said, less colors more simple listing. Less is more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:50, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
:::What? Saying it makes no difference to me means I'll do it your way. So, can I have this page visible again so I could copy it on my userspace?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 21:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
::::I will make a page, presently, in your userspace with the copy (minus categories) of the [[Type expert]] edit you made.
::::As ForceFire says, user pages exist for a very good reason. If it's for site ideas, just use one. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::Ok. And you also could state your opinion about it. So far I've heard it's a step in good direction.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 21:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Narrator (WCS) ==

I would like to know, can [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Narrator (WCS)|this page]] be promoted to mainspace? BigDocFan also suggested another name, what is the best option to refer to this character in your opinion?-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:Announcer is probably a more suitable name and the parenthesis should be the region they're from unless you are certain they're all the same person and not another Joy/Jenny/Don George sort of deal. Otherwise, I think it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:54, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Milcery ==

Caterpie taken more time to evolve in the episode where it caught while Goh's Milcery Evolve just 1 minute after she caught first Pokemon Evolve in quickest time me not written same episode caught or evolve [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 16:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Can you check a certain user? ==

I have some suspicions about AutumOcto, who I think may be a sockpuppet of a particular user. They're not quite as blatant as MinnieG, but the edits are still fairly similar. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

== Spambots ==

[[User talk:WildaFabian17|WildaFabian17]] and [[User talk:JosefPrendergast|JosefPrendergast]] seem to be spambots. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 07:55, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

== Articles promoted to Main Page ==
Hey there. I created a few drafts for some of Goh's Pokémon after I recently went on a Journeys rewatch marathon, and created these Draft Articles after I believed (IMO) that these Pokémon had, again IMO, enough noteworthy appearances. Of course, I wanted to check with an admin to see if they're good enough to be "promoted" to Bulbapedia's main pages.

*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Venomoth|Goh's Venomoth]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Dustox|Goh's Dustox]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Taillow|Goh's Taillow]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Lilligant|Goh's Lilligant]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Floette|Goh's Floette]]
Regardless of your answer, thanks in advance! [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 02:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Only Venomoth and Taillow meet the notability requirements. Liligant and Floette has not made enough notable appearances, while Dustox doesn't have any notable appearances.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:: While we're on the subject, I know that Goh's Pokémon need at least three episodes of noteworthy appearance to receive their own articles, IIRC. But, Goh's Absol only has two episodes on the "History" description. So, I'm assuming that if a Pokémon had an entire episode dedicated to them, it drops to 2 episodes instead of 3? So, if let's say, Falinks had another noteworthy appearance, it would then receive its own article, since it also had a whole episode dedicated to it? [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 19:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Also, also, does that mean, I have permission to create an official article for Goh's Venomoth? Like, if I do, I won't get in trouble? And Taillow for that matter. {{unsigned|HygorBH}}
:::::''Only Venomoth and Taillow meet the notability requirements.''

:::::Does this mean that Venomoth and Taillow can be moved to mainspace?-[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::::::Venomoth and Taillow are fine to be mainspaced.
::::::As for Hygor's other question, yes, if a Pokemon has a very prominent role in its capture episode, it counts as an episode it had an impact on, so it's notable once it appears more than once (in a non background capacity at least, ie. not just standing idly). Otherwise, the second part of Goh's rule comes into play (the Pokemon needing to be used by Goh in some capacity in more then two episodes).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::::::: OK. So, I'll create pages for Venomoth and Taillow and place it on the main page. I just hope I don't get into trouble afterwards. [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 17:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::In fact, the process would just move the page to mainspace, Hygor. It is not necessary to create a new page to place your content.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 20:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

== Leon Charizard ==

''For rival characters and other recurring characters, only their signature Pokémon may have an article created about them. An exception may be made if another Pokémon that is not the signature has had an impact on the series. One example of this would possibly be Gary's Arcanine. Jimmy and Marina also fall into this category. If a rival's signature Pokémon does nothing more than battle or has no major impact on the plot, then it is not notable for an article and instead should have a section on its Trainer's page.''
:Leon's Charizard fits this criteria. Can we please stop pretending it hasn't had an impact on the series? If you want to argue that it hasn't, look at episodes [[JN042]] to [[JN045]]. This Pokémon has had more notability than many rival Pokémon that do have pages. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::Take [[Harrison's Blaziken]], [[Nando's Roserade]], and [[Miette's Slurpuff]] as random examples. Please explain what these signature rival Pokémon have done that makes them worthy of a page when Charizard isn't? --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Being a signature Pokémon is just one of the criteria. And Miette's Slurpuff is an actual character that does things besides battle and has an article that is interesting to read. Also, just because some older articles no longer fit the newer criteria does not mean that newer articles don't still have to meet the criteria. The article still just amounts to Charizard battling and does not make for an interesting read. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
::::Interesting read and relevant read are different things. Even if a majority of it's appearances are battling, it has still done things related to the plot of the series: serving as Ash's main goal, helping stop the Darkest Day, training with Ash, its backstory with Leon. I also don't understand the issue with battling. It's Pokémon. Battling is the main pull of the franchise. It makes sense that it will be heavily featured. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 00:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:::::That's rather the point. A Pokémon engaging in Pokémon battles is the norm, not a special exception that makes it distinct and interesting enough for its own article. We don't have an article for every Pokémon that has battled in more than one episode. And there are plenty of Pokémon (such as those belonging to Gym Leaders) that Ash has had to battle for his journey, some across multiple episodes. That doesn't make the Pokémon itself interesting or notable enough to have its own article. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}Leon is a Champion, so he falls under rule 4 not rule 3. And in accordance to rule four, only their signatures get articles if they have done more than battle. Charizard only meets half of that requirement.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:09, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:''Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot''
::Leon is said to be Ash's main rival in Journeys so I'm not sure why you think he doesn't fall under both categories. Either way, Charizard helped stop the Darkest Day. That is having an impact on the plot and still qualifies it. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Force Fire, I put this on your talk page because I wanted to have this discussion with you. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
::::I've already explained in previous discussions why Charizard's role in darkest day isn't worth noting. All it did was battle the Eternatus, it didn't help the main characters get to their goal (as is the case with Steven's Metagross where it helped the main characters infiltrate Team Flare's base).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::I really think you're nitpicking this. Charizard is the main Pokémon of both a rival and champion and has participated in events outside of a battle. By definition of the rules, it should have a page. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::Not gonna make a new thread for this but I definitely agree. Other champion's Pokemon have done less than Leon's Charizard and have a mainspace page (see Diantha's Gardevoir). After their Final Battle, Charizard came with Leon to visit Pikachu in the Pokémon Center and the two butted heads, indicating a sort of rivalry or bond that has formed. I don't think anyone besides a few mods genuinely thinks that it's not notable enough for its own page (especially with its appearances in other media as well, not just anime). [[User:Meanscreen|Meanscreen]] ([[User talk:Meanscreen|talk]]) 06:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger again ==

Despite having been warned multiple times about adding dubious trivia and/or trivia with poor grammar, AlolanRanger is still at it.
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN130&diff=3591070&oldid=3590901 Example 1]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN130&diff=3590324&oldid=3590315 Example 2]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN129&diff=prev&oldid=3588718 Example 3]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN013&diff=prev&oldid=3582541 Example 4]

They've been notified multiple times over the past two months, but to no avail. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 17:33, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

== MazieGatlin ==

[[User talk:MazieGatlin|MazieGatlin]] appears to be a spambot. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

== Shipping overhaul ==

What do you mean by "shipping overhaul? Just wondering. Cause evidence is the necessary purpose of the prove of the Amourshipping. [[User:Kevin128|Kevin128]] ([[User talk:Kevin128|talk]]) 01:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
:I've explained on your talk page, you can also check [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Shipping#Bulbapedia and Shipping]] for more information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

== Hikaru Wazana ==

Hikaru Wazana has an anime image source that they use for images from the newest episodes. The thing is, however, that those images are not the best available quality, and end up always being upgraded later, making the initial uploads unnecessary. HW has been asked several times to stop this practice because of this, but they have nevertheless continued it, the latest case being with today's episode images. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:And here we go again....
:I take 1080p HD quality footage of the episode that I watch, BigDocFan knows where I download the episodes. There are no better quality images of the episodes than this(Unless I get them out of the Tv Tokyo office).
:But let's play for real that you're doing this because I'm myself, I don't know what wrong I did to you, but apparently forcing me to delete my personal discord profile (which I use for other things that don't involve Bulbapedia ) is not enough, right?
:What's your problem with me anyway? --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 18:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::As I recall, you chose to leave your own Discord account. I did not force you to do anything. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes, I left it because you don't know the difference between "space" and "proper place of things", even after I said that my Discord account is not your space to complain about things and what matters here should be dealt with here.
:::And as far as I know I shouldn't even argue with you, you're as much a user as I am, you're not part of the admin and you don't have any position here. But apparently, you haven't realized that yet.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::No need to be rude. Giving constructive criticism is not disallowed. And I don't recall doing it in any sort of insulting way. It is not a right exclusively reserved for Admins. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}From what I'm gathering, from the few files I've checked, could just be a case of someone else having a better image, but it doesn't necessarily mean Hikaru's images are bad (at least, not from what I can tell). I see no problem with it, just as long as its of acceptable quality. As for image sourcing, they probably just screenshot the episode image, nothing wrong with that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
:HW's upload of Horace's Virizion is of lesser quality, and also features the TV Tokyo watermark, which is definitely something to avoid. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:55, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
::[[User_talk:Hikaru_Wazana#Horace_Virizion]]
::And then you come with hypocrisy saying that I shouldn't be rude to you.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Being rude is not polite. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'm being polite enough, if we were somewhere else, or social media, I would have already said what I really wanted to say to you. For me, this discussion was already over. But I hope the admins are seeing what happens here.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 17:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

== Pages to approval/delletion ==

As I said before, I'm going to review some pages and try to leave others aside. I would like to know which of these pages here, I get approval and the following would be the first to be deleted.

The Helioptile one is part of something I want to build here, and I think the Pokemon should meet the requirements to be in mainspace.

'''approval'''
* [[User:Satsjoe/Alexa's Helioptile]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Diantha (anime)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Iki Town festival tournament]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Paldea League]]
'''delletion'''
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Template:Quillon's Pokémon]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Template:Volkner's Pokémon]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Template:Marnie's Pokémon]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Project Mew (Mission Regis)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Darkest Day (anime)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Danika's Urshifu]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Alcremie]]
Could you be helping me with this?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 18:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::Helioptile isn't notable, per rule 3 regarding recurring character's Pokémon. Gogoat at least had some notable appearances, whereas Helioptile didn't do much. And simply appearing doesn't mean anything, it needs to do something. The only argument you could make is that it's her signature, which is debatable.
::Diantha has only battled in all her appearances to date. The only time she didn't battle was during the Team Flare arc, which even then she didn't do anything that notable.
::It seems fine, but manga is not my expertise. Ask for second opinions regarding this.
::The Paldea league article will be made once the games are out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Ox, would it be up to you to delete the Padela League page? Could you delete [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Pokémon Performer|this one]] too?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 11:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
::::If you want it to be deleted. Could still be mainspaced once the games are out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::Is [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Alexa (anime)|this page]] good enough to go to mainspace? I took into account that Alexa is practically more relevant in anime than in games, so I think it's fair to separate the two pages.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Alexa is notable for her own anime article, approved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

== Chloe: a main character confirmation? ==

[https://twitter.com/anipoke_PR/status/1591672205040943105 An official piece of artwork] features Chloe alongside all of Ash's friends. Does this count as evidence towards Chloe being counted as a main character or not? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
:The artwork leaves out Goh, so I would say no. The official site still doesn't list Chloe as main character, as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, okay. Didn't know about an official site listing. Got it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

== Preview ==
Where is Preview button and how to use it what is happen with Preview button [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 10:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
:It is the button right next to the '''Save changes''' button, marked as '''Show preview'''--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

== Potential sockpuppet? ==

Do you think you could check the user "FairyType"? I heavily suspect that they may be yet another sockpuppet of a certain person. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 16:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
:Certainly seems like it. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
::I've looked into it and found no matches, but I'll keep an eye out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

It took a while, but there was a match in IP address with one of their previous accounts. They've been blocked, once again.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:47, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
:I think it would finally stop being such a troublesome user if KittyStyler's IP address is blocked forever on Bulbapedia. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 18:15, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

== *facepalm* ==

I find it very absurd that somehow ''that'' information is denied from being added to the characters' articles for "not listing which ones", even though the article for PCs clearly states ''"from Generation I to IV, the player characters were always 10 or 11 years old"'', which I find rather counterproductive. It's already a hassle trying to interpret and search for vague character lore. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 14:27, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:To be fair, it actually said "usually" prior to SnorlaxMonster's edit, so I adjusted it back to its original wording. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 14:54, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::What does "usually" have to do with what I said? We don't know if Brendan/May are 12 as the player while they are as the rival. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 17:09, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:::The (as rival) parenthesis already suggests that it's exlusive to them being the rival. No need to overcomplicate.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::::I know that because I was the one who added the (as rival) prarenthesis. I don't see any reason not to include that bracket on the Johto and Sinnoh PCs. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 17:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::Those don't have their ages revealed when they are the rival, at least, not that I remember. If you're talking about the interview, then you're clearly not getting it. I've already explained to you countless times why that source can't be used for ''specific'' characters, but you refuse to listen nor let it go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::This discussion wouldn't even been had if you had actually read the interview. Nobody knows what he meant by "previous games", blatantly assuming it meant "all games prior to Gen V" is speculation at most. In fact, there's almost no reason for an article like this to contain meaningless trivia such as ages. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 21:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

== Houfuku ==

Noticed you made an edit on {{m|Comeuppance}} and changed hōfuku to houfuku. However, the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Romanization|manual of style]] says any variation of a long お, including おう, is to berendered as ō. Should we revert? [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 01:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

== New Page Proposals ==

Hi! I also left a message on [[User talk:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]], but there are a few notable Pokémon that I would like to make pages for because they are on par with articles such as [[Pikachutwo]], [[Crystal Onix]], and [[Pink Butterfree]]. These would be [[Bulbasaurtwo]], [[Squirtletwo]], [[Charmandertwo]], [[Venusaurtwo]], [[Blastoisetwo]], [[Charizardtwo]], [[Giant Alakazam]], [[Giant Gengar]], [[Giant Jigglypuff]], [[Purple Kecleon]], and [[Orange Archipelago Butterfree]]. (the "Giant" Pokémon might be changed to "Ancient" because I think it was either that or something like that they they were titled with). Would this be okay? —[[User:ParkerHaley2003|ParkerHaley2003]] ([[User talk:ParkerHaley2003|talk]]) 1:12, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
:None of the Pokémon you've suggested are notable, per the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Notability requirements|notability requirements]]. They all did not do much in the episodes they appeared in, the Mewtwo clones and giants just battled, which is not enough to consider giving them pages.
:For the existing articles you brought up, Pikachutwo had a significant appearance in Mewtwo Returns, the Crystal Onix and Pink Butterfree were Pokemon of the day - thus meeting rule seven of the notability requirements.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:38, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

== Paradox Pokemon relation ==

How would you like to write the notes on top of the pages like "Delibird (Pokemon)" that Paradox Pokemon like "Iron Bundle" are their futuristic versions/counterparts/what else? I see you reverted a few edits like that, maybe right wording is the problem but omitting them completely is not an option.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 10:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
:Considering they aren't, or haven't been confirmed to be, related to those Pokemon, it doesn't really belong on in the lede like other Pokemon with evolutionary family/forms/megas whatnot. The best place is the trivia and with less definitive wording.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
::They are related by design. It feels really disingenius to omit such information. How about this:
:::''Generation IX introduced Paradox Pokemon Iron Bundle that appears to be inspired by Delibird, however no relation between these two was confirmed.''
--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 18:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
::::That wording is fine, it's only the placement that I'm not too 100% on. But considering we're also placing convergent evolution in the lede, it should be fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:32, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::If that helps, Iron Jugulis's Pokedex entry mentions it being an offspring of Hydreigon.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::You can check "Paradox Pokemon" page. Every Pokemon they're based on are mentioned in "Enigmas of Paldea". That's all you wanted.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 19:05, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I really need you to answer that because you have no argument anymore and I don't have any reason to not add these notes.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::::My last response wasn't an argument against the addition... no need for the aggressive attitude, abide by the code of conduct.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:24, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm sorry. I'm not sure how to approach such topics with you. Thanks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 17:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

== Macro cosmos ==

Hi, I'm sorry, but how could you possibly think this is a coincidence? they line up EXACTLY. what are the chances that they could just both create the exact same logo and it not be intentional? ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 19:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

[[File:20191217 Detective Pikachu 03.jpg|thumb|GUI]]
Here Is a GUI made by Territory Studios for the movie, you can see the logo in the top-right corner, they are the same. ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 19:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
:[[User talk:Force Fire/Archive 12#Marco cozmos edit|We've already discussed this]]. It is pure speculation that the logo is supposed to be Macro Cosmos's logo unless you have proof it was intentional. Detective Pikachu can not reference something that was released after it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
:: About the movie being released before the game, fair enough, but you simply cannot convince me that these are not the same, look at them, please. and tell me, what are the chances of the logos matching up perfectly? what are the chances of this being entirely coincidental? ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 02:13, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
[[File:20191217 Detective Pikachu MC.jpg|thumb]]
:::Unless you have proof that they're both the same logo, it is just a coincidence.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
::::Even if it is a coincidence, they are still the same. that kind of thing does not just happen. ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 05:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

== Nacli ==

I know you said "no copyrighted stuff", but keep in mind that Pokémon and Mario are both owned by Nintendo, and Nintendo games reference other Nintendo franchises (especially the Mario franchise) quite a lot, so it is possible that Nacli's design could have been inspired by the Super Mushroom from the Mario franchise. All those other parallels to copyrighted characters that other users are coming up with are purely speculation, and a bit too much of a stretch, but surely other Nintendo franchises could be an exception to this rule. After all, the Pokémon Egg page states that its design could have been inspired by Yoshi Eggs, and the Revive page states that Revives bear a striking resemblance to Star Pieces from ''Paper Mario'', so I don't see why we can't mention Nacli's similarity to Super Mushrooms. [[User:Buzzfan120|Buzzfan120]] ([[User talk:Buzzfan120|talk]]) 17:58, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
:Copyrighted property is still protected by copyright. Just because other article have something, doesn't mean it's suddenly okay to add more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:57, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
::So, not even if it's another Nintendo property? Just wondering. [[User:Buzzfan120|Buzzfan120]] ([[User talk:Buzzfan120|talk]]) 08:01, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

== Images of moves ==

Hello. Is there a particular policy about which game's animation should be added to an article? For example, if there's a Sword/Shiled animation, can there also be a BD/SP one, or is it not needed, because Generation VIII is already represented by Sword/Shield? I've seen some articles even having separate pictures for D/P and Platinum, but still wanted to ask this to be sure. Sorry if you're not the one to ask this, and could you then refer me to someone who is? Thank you. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 20:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
:If the animation is different between games, then yes, we upload separate images for each game.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

== Mew ==

Ciao! :D Should the recurring Mew from journeys be be moved to it's own page? the MO1 & MO8 Mews have their own pages, and I think the recurring one has appeared enough. what do you think? ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 13:46, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
:I know you've asked Force Fire and not me but personally I feel we should wait until JN134 airs next week before giving Mew its own page.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:20, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
::Sounds good. ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 14:24, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

== Verizion and Suicune ==
Hello, I added stuff to [[Suicune (Pokémon)]] and [[Virizion (Pokémon)]] pages, but it says that my edits got undone by you. Is there a reason why you Undid the edit I made? If so, please tell me why. [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 01:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

:I'm sorry for putting those rumor stuff on the suicune and virizion pages. But, for the pronounciation ones, I'm pretty sure they are official pronunciations, because I have the [[Super Extra Deluxe Essential Handbook]], and in there it has "How To Say It" on the Pokemon, and that is an official Pokémon book. [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 01:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
:: As I've said, the official sources aren't consistent with pronunciation, one book will say one thing, one will say another. An egregious case is the Pokedex 3d pronunciation of Unown, which I think everyone can agree is ridiculous. Also, a staff member has a page for pronunications in their userspace if you're interestrd: [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Pronunciation]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

== Fan stuff (Regional birds) ==

Hi again, I created a page called "Regional birds", and you deleted it, saying: "Fan terminology is not notable." What do you mean? I do not know what you are trying to say, and I said I was going to update it later on! How come you deleted it? [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 23:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
:[[Appendix:Fan terminology|Fan terminology]] is covered in the appendix and is not considered notable enough for its own article in the mainspace. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 23:55, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

== TBR2001 ==

TBR2001 has been extending the "Origins" sections of some Pokémon Masters EX characters, which, while truthful, also seem excessively long. What do you think? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 01:07, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:Yeah, some of them seem to be a bit much, particularly May and Brendan. I think it should be shortened.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:45, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger yet again ==

Once again, AlolanRanger has continued to focus on trivia (which still ranges from dubious to poorly worded/formatted), despite having already been warned multiple times against this. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:30, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:Not to mention adding back in unnotable trivia that they've already tried adding in previously (edit warring) and continuing to add similar trivia to other pages. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:19, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

== KryptonLion is using a multi-account ==

[[User:KryptonLion|KryptonLion]] is using another account ([[User:SleepySheep|SleepySheep]]) as a sockpuppet to get an artificial consensus on the Talk Page of the article
[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_world_in_relation_to_the_real_world#Is_Alfornada_a_city_exclusively_based_on_Portugal.3F_It_doesn.27t_look_like_it_according_to_the_game#Paldea Pokémon world in relation to the real world].

This new account not only has as first and only contribution to agree with KryptonLion in a Talk thread in a moment which new opinions are sought to obtain a consensus, which is already quite suspicious by itself, but also the IP of this new user coincides with that of KryptonLion.

A greeting. [[User:Valentio|Valentio]] ([[User talk:Valentio|talk]])

== Purple Kecleon ==

Hi! After reviewing Bulbapedia's "notability" policies, I realized that Purple Kecleon meets these criteria. I created a sandbox of the page and was wondering if I could publish it. It is linked here: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:ParkerHaley2003/Sandbox/Purple_Kecleon [[User:ParkerHaley2003|ParkerHaley2003]] ([[User talk:ParkerHaley2003|talk]])
:The purple Kecleon didn't really do much, except for battling near the end, so it's not notable. And saying the purple Kecleon in Mystery Dungeon is the same one in the anime is speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 00:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
::Hey, me again! I understand your reasoning, but my article was meant to be about the subject of "Purple Kecleon" and not just the Purple Kecleon that appeared in that specific episode. This is also what I meant for my latest proposal: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:ParkerHaley2003/Sandbox/Orange_Archipelago_Butterfree, which I am also asking if it would be okay to publish. Is there a different infobox I can use if I am not referring to a singular Pokémon? --[[User:ParkerHaley2003]] ([[User talk:ParkerHaley2003|talk]])
:::That Butterfree literally did not do anything of note in its appearances. Not notable. Also, you are also under the assumption that all the Orange Island Butterfree are one and the same, this is speculation as per the {{bp|Speculation policy}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:11, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

== Question ==
Should we have a category for Pokémon that only evolve from regional variants, such as Perrserker, Sirfetch'd, Mr. Rime, Cursola, Obstagoon, Runerigus, Overqwil, Sneasler, Basculegion, and Clodsire? [[User:Buzzfan120|Buzzfan120]] ([[User talk:Buzzfan120|talk]]) 02:54, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

== Inkster and timeline ==

Inkster is constantly editing timeline on the "Core series" article and I don't want to make edit war. Can you decide once and for all if the 12 years gap between gen 4 and 5 is '''fine''' to be stated or not so he won't come back every few days to change something?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

== Spanish and Italian Pokémon name lists ==

I created two pages yesterday that could be mainspaced:
* [[User:Bfdifan2006/List of Italian Pokémon names]]
* [[User:Bfdifan2006/List of Spanish Pokémon names]]

I created both because:
* it's not about just one name ({{p|Type: Null}}'s) being an exception, 15 names are like that now (14 of them are the Paradox mons other than the box legendaries).
* {{u|Raltseye}} already created these in his userspace, but I didn't want to touch that. Plus, he hasn't contributed at all in 2022.
* It's about time that all the exceptions get listed in one place per language that core series games are released in.
--'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 09:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

== "Impossible scenario" (Last Respects) ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Explosion_(move)&diff=3630220&oldid=3630134] According to [[Last Respects]]'s page, if a Pokemon faints and uses a Revive, then faints again, 50 base power gets added twice. Although you'd need 100 Revives and it can't be done against real people, it seems to be possible after all. Just throwing this out there. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
:In any case, Bulbapedia is not a strategy guide; and it's not like this is something that can feasibly happen in normal gameplay anyway, so I don't think it's notable. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, wasn't aware revived Pokemon that get defeated again also count. So it is doable, just exhaustive. Cheers for explaining how it's doable, probably didn't have to block anyone if it was actually explained.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
:::I should have looked closer. That trivia does fit there. My bad. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 01:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

== Larvitar and Nebby ==

Based on their appearances in [[JN132]], [[JN135]], and [https://twitter.com/anipoke_PR/status/1603698448997310464 promotional material] featuring all of Ash's Pokémon, where do we stand on {{an|Larvitar}} and [[Nebby]] as Ash's Pokémon? Is it possible they're one of those situations like Misty's Togetic where they were never put into a Poké Ball but still count? --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:15, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:Hey, I see you've been active and I was wondering if you maybe missed my message. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 21:52, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
::Togetic is different as it chose Misty because it saw her first and regarded her as its "mother", that's what separates Togetic from Larvitar and Nebby.
::Larvitar and Nebby didn't choose to be with Ash, at least I know that's the case for Larvitar, and Ash never said he owned them (ala Brock with Vulpix) or stored them in Poké balls. But nevertheless, as they were seen to be in Ash's possession and a lot of people associate them with Ash, they (well, Larvitar) are titled as being under Ash's possession, and I'm fine with that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:50, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
:::So would this be viewed as counting them as one of Ash's? For example, listing Nebby as his fourth Pokémon of Alola? I'm still a little confused on where you stand on this. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

== Edit War Over Trivia ==

Hi! Recently I've met an user ([[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]]) who keeps undoing the changes I made to the Farigiraf's page.

My issue is specifically with the "Origin" section, where the user insists on maintaining a lot of pointless information. These include:

- Wordy, poorly written sentences (i.e. "which are four-horned prehistoric relatives to the modern giraffe (...)" could be trimmed into "four-horned prehistoric relatives of giraffes";

- Random mention of unrelated things like the okapi;

- Linking two non-wikipedia external sites, one of them being a random news site whose contents don't add anything new to what was already mentioned (which imo should be strictly avoided due to ads + the lack of encyclopedic information);

- And even getting to the point of describing what Spain is (yes, the country).

I don't think any of the points mentioned above, which the user keeps readding, are compatible with Bulbapedia's standards as they're lowering the quality of the section through fluff. The user tried engaging with me in my talk page, but seemed to not understand that the issue is all the pointless content they added, not whether or not I agree with the theory presented (anybody can verify that I kept it despite not agreeing with it).

It has become as obnoxious to the point I think staff might be necessary to intervene for a conciliation, and I'd appreciate if you (or someone you reassign the issue to) could do that. Thanks.
[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 14:32, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
:It seems the Spanish connection is the real issue here, which I can understand to a degree, we've had other users adding Spanish/Portuguese influences simply because Paldea is based off the Iberian Peninsula. But I think in this case, it's fine as it's explaining a rather interesting fact that may influence the designers to choose that specific animal.
:I also must agree with Anza about presuming designers don't do their research for their creations. I think that's uncalled for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
::: That's... that's not the issue... Them going to my talk page to ask why I disagree with that theory is unrelated to the reasons I'm editing the page.
::: The problem is the poor formatting of their edit. I don't mind whatever theory they come up with, but I strongly disagree with them overexplaining it and refusing to let people trim out the redundancies.
:::I'd appreciate if we discussed the points I made earlier in this message, rather than a side topic conversation in my talk page.
:::[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 16:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
::::I just noticed you trimmed the parts I had some issue with yourself, thanks. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

== About Appendix:Fan Terminology ==

Hello, I've seen your edit, and you said that too many people try to create this "Early-route Pokémon" page. Why not? It has a lot of Pokémon in that category, and there are pages for other terms, such as "Pseudo-legendary", "Elemental Monkeys" "Hitmons", etc. I would like to know why you think we can't create that page. [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 00:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
:"Early-route Pokémon" is not a well-defined group and is pretty much solely fanon, not an actual term or official group. IIRC, staff has decided that such cases belong on the Fan terminology page. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 01:17, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

But there are pages for the elemental monkeys, and THOSE are fan terms, as well as pseudo-legendaries, etc. So why not Early-route Pokemon? [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 17:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

User:IsaacBoi123

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IsaacBoi123: grammar

Hello! I am a HUGE FAN of Pokémon. My favourite Pokémon is [[Psyduck (Pokémon)|Psyduck]]! I also love [[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|Slowpoke]], [[Snorlax (Pokémon)|Snorlax]], and LOTS MORE!!
==Info==
*I am a Male.
*I LOVE video games
*Birthday is December 30th
*Favourite Color is Pink
*Favourite Animal is a Duck.
==My Favourite Pokémon==
*[[Psyduck]]
*[[Quaxly]]
*[[Ducklett]]
*[[Golduck]]
*[[Slowpoke]]
*[[Slowbro]]
*[[Snorlax]]
*[[Sudowoodo]]
*[[Ditto]]
*[[Alolan Exeggutor]]
*[[Meowth]]
*[[Galarian Meowth]]
*[[Armarouge]]
*[[Galarian Slowbro]]
*[[Greninja]]
*[[Lucario]]
*[[Blaziken]]
*[[Charizard]]
*[[Blastoise]]
*[[Bellibolt]]
*[[Politoed]]
*[[Jigglypuff]]
*[[Wigglytuff]]
*[[Zeraora]]
*[[Mew]]
*[[Mewtwo]]
*[[Diancie]]
*[[Decidueye]]
*[[Emboar]]
*[[Oshawott]]
*[[Bulbasaur]]
*[[Charmander]]
*[[Squirtle]]
*[[Cyndaquil]]
*[[Fuecoco]]
*[[Sableye]]
*[[Necrozma]]
*[[Arceus]]
*[[Unown]]
*[[Pheromosa]]
*[[Guzzlord]]
*[[Blacephalon]]
*[[Kartana]]
*[[Buzzwole]]
*[[Xurkitree]]
*[[Poipole]]
*[[Naganadel]]
*[[Stakataka]]
*[[Nihilego]]
*[[Miltank]]
and lots more

User:IsaacBoi123

2022-12-22T00:37:22Z

IsaacBoi123: Adding a lot more info

Hello! I am a HUGE FAN of Pokémon. My favourite Pokémon is [[Psyduck (Pokémon)|Psyduck]]! I also love [[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|Slowpoke]], [[Snorlax (Pokémon)|Snorlax]], and LOTS MORE!!
==Info==
*I am a Male.
*I LOVE video games
*Birthday is December 30th
*Favourite Color is Pink
*Favourite Animal is a Duck.
==My Favourite Pokémon==
*[[Psyduck]]
*[[Quaxly]]
*[[Ducklett]]
*[[Golduck]]
*[[Slowpoke]]
*[[Slowbro]]
*[[Snorlax]]
*[[Sudowoodo]]
*[[Ditto]]
*[[Alolan Exeggutor]]
*[[Meowth]]
*[[Galarian Meowth]]
*[[Armarouge]]
*[[Galarian Slowbro]]
*[[Greninja]]
*[[Lucario]]
*[[Blaziken]]
*[[Charizard]]
*[[Blastoise]]
*[[Bellibolt]]
*[[Politoed]]
*[[Jigglypuff]]
*[[Wigglytuff]]
*[[Zeraora]]
*[[Mew]]
*[[Mewtwo]]
*[[Diancie]]
*[[Decidueye]]
*[[Emboar]]
*[[Oshawott]]
*[[Bulbasaur]]
*[[Charmander]]
*[[Squirtle]]
*[[Cyndaquil]]
*[[Fuecoco]]
*[[Sableye]]
*[[Necrozma]]
*[[Arceus]]
*[[Unown]]
*[[Pheromosa]]
*[[Guzzlord]]
*[[Blacephalom]]
*[[Kartana]]
*[[Buzzwole]]
*[[Xurkitree]]
*[[Poipole]]
*[[Naganadel]]
*[[Stakataka]]
*[[Nihilego]]
*[[Miltank]]
and lots more

Appendix:Fan terminology

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IsaacBoi123: adding info

{| style="float:right"
| __TOC__
|}

The '''Pokémon metagame''' has a wide range of '''fanmade terminology''' for various aspects of the games. These are colloquial terms originating from unofficial sources, and are not found within the games themselves. However, some terms originally coined by the fandom have been used officially, such as [[Eeveelution]] and {{Shiny}}; these terms are not listed here.

==Pokémon terms==
===Early-route Pokémon===
A Pokémon found in the first few routes of the game. These can be divided into ones that are based on mammals that are either {{t|Normal}} or {{t|Dark}} types ({{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Sentret}}, {{p|Poochyena}}, {{p|Zigzagoon}}, {{p|Bidoof}}, {{p|Patrat}}, {{p|Lillipup}}, {{p|Purrloin}}, {{p|Bunnelby}}, {{p|Yungoos}}, {{p|Skwovet}}, {{p|Nickit}}, {{p|Wooloo}}, and {{p|Lechonk}}), birds that are {{t|Flying}} ({{p|Pidgey}}, {{p|Spearow}}, {{p|Hoothoot}}, {{p|Taillow}}, {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Starly}}, {{p|Pidove}}, {{p|Fletchling}}, {{p|Pikipek}}, {{p|Rookidee}}, and {{p|Wattrel}}) and {{t|Bug}}s ({{p|Caterpie}}, {{p|Weedle}}, {{p|Ledyba}}, {{p|Spinarak}}, {{p|Wurmple}}, {{p|Kricketot}}, {{p|Sewaddle}}, {{p|Venipede}}, {{p|Scatterbug}}, {{p|Grubbin}}, {{p|Cutiefly}}, {{p|Blipbug}}, {{p|Tarountula}}, and {{p|Nymble}}).

===Electric rodents===
[[File:Gen VIII Electric Mice Artwork.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Artwork of the pre-Generation IX electric rodents and {{p|Mimikyu}}]]
{{redirect|Pikachu clone|the Pikachu that is a clone|Pikachutwo}}
A group of {{type|Electric}} Pokémon based on {{wp|rodent}}s, consisting of {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Raichu}} (sometimes omitted), {{p|Pichu}} (sometimes omitted), {{p|Plusle}}, {{p|Minun}}, {{p|Pachirisu}}, {{p|Emolga}}, {{p|Dedenne}}, {{p|Togedemaru}}, {{p|Morpeko}}, {{p|Pawmi}}, {{p|Pawmo}}, and {{p|Pawmot}}. Design-wise, all of them have electric sacs on their cheeks. All are in the {{egg|Fairy}} or {{egg|Field}} [[Egg Group]]s, and all have English names very close to being pure transliterations of their Japanese names. This group is also referred to as the '''Pikachu family''', '''Pikachu clones''' or '''Pikaclones'''. An equivalent term used within the Japanese fandom is '''{{tt|電気袋組|でんきぶくろぐみ}}'''.

{{p|Pachirisu}} is the only one revealed to actually be biologically related to Pikachu's evolutionary line.

{{p|Pawmi}} is the only one (aside from Pikachu itself) to have an evolutionary line, having 3 stages, mirroring Pikachu.

{{p|Marill}}, its evolutionary relatives, and {{p|Mimikyu}} are also sometimes included in this group by the fandom, although neither are Electric types. The latter is often featured in instances of artwork showcasing the "Pikachu clone" Pokémon, despite not being a rodent. Marill was often incorrectly referred to as "Pikablu" prior to the release of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

In [[Pokémon X and Y]], the [[Options/Battle BGs|"Stickers" battle menu background]] features all the members of the group that existed at the time. This is the only time that the group has ever been acknowledged in the {{pkmn|games}}.

Character designer [[Ken Sugimori]] acknowledged the concept of the recurring "electric rodents" theme in an interview published in Volume 201 of the ''Nintendo Dream'' magazine.<ref>''Nintendo Dream'' Vol. 201, January 2011 ([http://lavacutcontent.com/ken-sugimori-nintendo-dream-3/ Translation by Dr. Lava])</ref>

According to the official [https://www.facebook.com/Pokemon.official.Singapore/posts/2502021336791447 Pokémon Singapore's Facebook], the group are referred to as '''electric mice''', and were featured in the "Mouse Pokémon" (Japanese: ねずみポケモン ''[https://www.pokemon.co.jp/goods/2019/12/191213_p02.html Nezumi Pokémon]'') collection of {{OBP|Pokémon Center|store}} merchandise.

===Elemental monkeys===
{{main|Elemental monkeys}}
{{p|Pansage}}, {{p|Pansear}}, {{p|Panpour}}, {{p|Simisage}}, {{p|Simisear}}, and {{p|Simipour}}.

===Game mascot===
{{main|Game mascot}}
A Pokémon that appears on the boxart of one of the [[Pokémon games]] in the [[core series]].
It is also reffered to as Box art, or Boxart for short.

===Hitmons===
{{main|Hitmons}}
{{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Hitmonchan}}, {{p|Hitmontop}}, and sometimes {{p|Tyrogue}}.

===''Kasekimera''===
{{main|Fossil#Generation VIII|Fossil → Generation VIII}}
(Japanese: '''カセキメラ''' ''Kasekimera'') is used within the Japanese fandom to collectively refer to Fossil Pokémon introduced in [[Generation VIII]]: {{p|Dracozolt}}, {{p|Arctozolt}}, {{p|Dracovish}}, and {{p|Arctovish}}. The term is derived from 化石 ''kaseki'' (fossil) and ''chimera''.

===Legendary duo===
{{main|Legendary duo}}
A group of two [[Legendary Pokémon|Legendary]] or [[Mythical Pokémon]] that share some association.

====Eon duo====
{{main|Eon duo}}
{{p|Latios}} and {{p|Latias}}. Often referred to collectively as '''Lati@s'''.

===Legendary trio===
{{main|Legendary trio}}
A group of three [[Legendary Pokémon|Legendary]] or [[Mythical Pokémon]] that share some association.

====Weather trio====
{{main|Super-ancient Pokémon}}
{{p|Kyogre}}, {{p|Groudon}}, and {{p|Rayquaza}}. They are officially referred to as the super-ancient Pokémon.

===Mew variants===
A subset of [[Mythical Pokémon]]. Each of their base stats are 100 with a base stat total of 600, and share the same {{EV}} yield, with 3 HP EVs when defeated. They are available only as event Pokémon. Includes {{p|Mew}}, {{p|Celebi}}, {{p|Jirachi}}, {{p|Manaphy}}, {{p|Shaymin}}, and {{p|Victini}}. Sometimes referred to as Mythical fairies, although that term is also used to describe the [[lake guardians]].

===Novelty Pokémon===
A Pokémon that possesses a unique trait, usually in battle.

===Pseudo-legendary Pokémon===
{{main|Pseudo-legendary Pokémon}}
A Pokémon that has a three-stage evolutionary line, 1,250,000 experience at level 100, and a base stat total of exactly 600. Includes {{p|Dragonite}}, {{p|Tyranitar}}, {{p|Salamence}}, {{p|Metagross}}, {{p|Garchomp}}, {{p|Hydreigon}}, {{p|Goodra}}, {{p|Kommo-o}}, {{p|Dragapult}}, and {{p|Baxcalibur}}.

===Sub-Legendary Pokémon===
[[Legendary Pokémon]] that are permitted in [[battle facility|battle facilities]] and usually permitted in official tournaments. These Pokémon include {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, {{p|Suicune}}, {{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, {{p|Registeel}}, {{p|Latias}}, {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, {{p|Azelf}}, {{p|Heatran}}, {{p|Regigigas}}, {{p|Cresselia}}, {{p|Cobalion}}, {{p|Terrakion}}, {{p|Virizion}}, {{p|Tornadus}}, {{p|Thundurus}}, {{p|Landorus}}, {{p|Type: Null}}, {{p|Silvally}}, {{p|Tapu Koko}}, {{p|Tapu Lele}}, {{p|Tapu Bulu}}, {{p|Tapu Fini}}, {{p|Kubfu}}, {{p|Urshifu}}, {{p|Regieleki}}, {{p|Regidrago}}, {{p|Glastrier}}, and {{p|Spectrier}}.

A list in the data since [[Pokémon Sun and Moon]], named "sublegend" in the game code, groups the [[Ultra Beast]]s with all of the sub-Legendary Pokémon, despite them not being Legendary Pokémon.

Legendary Pokémon that are not sub-Legendary Pokémon are officially known as [[Special Pokémon]].

===Trio master===
{{main|Trio master}}
A [[Legendary Pokémon]] that is associated with and regarded as superior to (in in-universe lore) the members (or other members) of a [[Legendary trio]].

===Type triangle===
A trio of types where one beats another and loses to another, such as {{t|Water}}-{{t|Grass}}-{{t|Fire}} or {{t|Dark}}-{{t|Fighting}}-{{t|Psychic}}.

==Fan terms==
===Balltism===
A pejorative term used to describe fans who have a decision on catching Pokémon with a specific [[Poké Ball]]. Oftentimes this involves a desire to have the Ball's color scheme, thematic properties, or release animation align with the Pokémon it contains.

===Dexit===
A term referring to the controversy surrounding [[Game Freak]]'s announcement that some Pokémon would not be usable in {{g|Sword and Shield}}. Derives from [[Pokédex]] and {{wp|Brexit}} (a debate between {{wp|United Kingdom|UK}} citizens that the UK (which is the basis of Galar, the main region within the generation) will leave the {{wp|European Union}}).

===Genwunner===
A pejorative term used to describe fans who dislike elements of the Pokémon franchise released after [[Generation I]] (and, to a lesser extent, [[Generation II]]). A corruption of "Generation One". Originated from the {{wp|Transformers}} fandom's term of "Geewun", where some fans have a similar stance on their franchise. However, fanon terms relating to other generations in the franchise (such as Generations III or IV) are less often used.

==Game terms==
===Boss===
The general concept of a {{wp|Boss (video gaming)|boss}} in video games may refer to special, strong opponents who must be defeated to obtain an important reward or advance past a particular point in the game. In the Pokémon games, there are various figures who may fit this description:
* Core games
** [[Gym Leader]]s: these are characters the player explicitly has to defeat if they wish to reach the Elite Four. Oftentimes, defeating a particular Gym Leader is also required for the player to advance past certain obstacles, especially those that require the use of an [[HM]].
** [[Elite Four]]: the "point" of the [[core series]] games is generally to beat the Elite Four, who will be stronger than any other Trainers the player has faced previously.
** {{pkmn|Champion}}: after beating the Elite Four, the player must also defeat the region's Champion in order to be allowed to enter the [[Hall of Fame]].
** [[Rival]]s: the player will often cross paths with a rival character, and usually they must face off with this character one last time before being able to face the Elite Four.
** [[Villainous team|Team]] leaders: the core games (and many [[spin-off Pokémon games|spin-offs]]) include villainous teams who the player will frequently cross paths with. In the course of the game, the player will eventually have to defeat various high-ranking members of these teams and ultimately their leader.
** {{tc|Tower Tycoon}}s, [[Frontier Brain]]s, {{tc|Subway Boss}}es, {{tc|Boss Trainer}}s, {{tc|Battle Chatelaine}}s and {{tc|Battle Legend}}s: these are the leaders of certain special [[Battle facility|battle facilities]] presented as an optional challenge once the player has beaten the Champion. Defeating them usually grants the player a [[Trainer Card level|special achievement]].
** [[Legendary Pokémon]]: the player will encounter these later in the game, usually resulting in a boss battle, unless the player has a [[Master Ball]]. Legendary Pokémon are hard to fight because of their generally large base stats. [[Eternatus (Pokémon)|Eternamax Eternatus]] fits the traditional "boss" terminology, as it has the highest base stats out of any Pokémon and is not obtainable in battle.
** [[Totem Pokémon]] are encountered at the end of every trial throughout the [[island challenge]], serving as the boss of each trial.
** [[Max Raid Battle]]s are co-op battles with a [[Dynamax]] or [[Gigantamax]] Pokémon, similar to a traditional boss battles as they are fought at various intervals throughout the game.
** [[Noble Pokémon]] and {{p|Arceus}} are encountered during the story of Pokémon Legends: Arceus and need to be quelled through throwing balms (while optional, periodic battling makes this easier). This acts similar to a traditional RPG boss fight.
* Side games
** Pregymleader [[Justy]]: Justy is the leader of the [[Prestige Precept Center|Pre Gym]] in [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{Pokémon XD}}.
** {{tc|Area Leader}}s and {{tc|Mt BtlMaster}}: these are the heads of different [[Mt. Battle]] areas in [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{Pokémon XD}}.
** {{tc|Colosseum Leader}}s, {{tc|Colosseum Master}}s, and the [[Mysterial|Pokétopia Master]]: these are the heads of {{OBP|Colosseum|Pokétopia}}s in [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]].
* Spin-offs
**The [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series]] has various boss characters at different points in the story:
*** {{DL|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Bosses|Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team → Bosses}}
*** {{DL|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Bosses|Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness → Bosses}}
*** {{DL|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity|Bosses|Gates to Infinity → Bosses}}
*** {{DL|Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon|Bosses|Super Mystery Dungeon → Bosses}}
**[[Shadow Mewtwo]]: the opponent in the final battle of the storyline of [[Pokkén Tournament]]

===Collection terms===
====Living Pokédex====
{{main|Living Pokédex}}
Having a Pokémon of every species (available in that game) in the [[Pokémon Storage System]] at the same time.

====Legitimate====
A Pokémon or item obtained without [[cheating]] or excessive [[glitch]] use. Typically this refers to a Pokémon or item obtained through normal gameplay, without any third party modifications to the game's ROM or RAM.
Pokémon obtained via [[Pseudorandom_number_generation_in_Pokémon#RNG_Abuse|RNG Abuse]], or via bugs that the player would run into naturally during normal gameplay, (Gen 3's [[List_of_glitches_(Generation_III)#Roaming_Pok.C3.A9mon_IV_bug|Roamer IV bug]] for example), are still typically considered legitimate as the game would generate those Pokémon within the bounds of what was possible to obtain naturally, in an unmodified instance of the game.
*Note that Legitimate does not inherently mean [[Appendix:Fan_terminology#Legal|Legal]], it is possible to encounter Pokémon during normal gameplay that have otherwise impossible attributes, and the [[The Pokémon Company]] would consider unauthorized.
** 1★ [[Wild_Area_News/2020#April_28_to_May_11.2C_2020|Wild Area News]] {{p|Drilbur}} with {{m|Hydro Pump}} is an example of a Pokémon that was legitimately obtainable but considered [[Appendix:Fan_terminology#Illegal|Illegal]], as it was programmed with a [[Game move errors|game move error]]. The game does not permit its use online nor official tournaments, and several hours after the mistake was discovered [[GameFreak]] had fixed the erroneous Wild Area News data to replace Hydro Pump with the correct move, {{m|Scratch}}.
** These situations are typically handled case-by-case. As a counter example, the 5★ [[Tera Raid Battle]] [[Female]] {{p|Indeedee}} with the error move {{m|Trick Room}} is not blocked from online use, and in early December 2022 even saw prior restrictions removed, permitting raids with the erroneous move to be hosted online to other players. In a situation like this, it could be argued the developers consider this error to be both [[Appendix:Fan_terminology#Legal|Legal]] and Legitimate, despite the similar circumstances to the aforementioned Drilbur with Hydro Pump.

=====Illegitimate=====
A Pokémon or item obtained via [[cheating]] or intentional [[glitch]] use. Typically this refers to a Pokémon or item obtained via any third party modifications to the game's ROM or RAM, or with the use of intentional glitches to drastically alter the game into a state where it produces Pokémon or items in a way it would never be able to during the course of normal gameplay.
* Illegitimate Pokémon and items are not limited to just those produced via cheating using third party tools, as Pokémon or items produced [[Cloning glitches]] or [[Arbitrary code execution]] would still fall into this category, even if the result would be considered [[Appendix:Fan_terminology#Legal|Legal]].

=====Legal=====
A Pokémon or item in a state that is possible to achieve through normal gameplay. This means that regardless of what method was used to obtain it, one could obtain this Pokémon in its current state without [[cheating]] or intentional [[glitch]] use.
*Note that this is not inherently the same as [[Appendix:Fan_terminology#Legitimate|Legitimate]]. While most Legitimate Pokémon are also Legal, this term only refers to the current state of the Pokémon and whether it could be theoretically obtained in that state through normal gameplay. A Pokémon may still be Legal even if it was obtained through the use of third party modifications, cheats, glitches, etc.

=====Illegal=====
A Pokémon or item in a state that is typically impossible to achieve through normal gameplay, and/or is disallowed by [[The Pokémon Company]]. This means that regardless of what method was used to obtain it, this Pokémon has at least one value that could only be obtained via [[cheating]], intentional [[glitch]] use, or via an oversight by the developers of the game that permitted it to be obtained.
* Note that a Pokémon can still be illegal even if permitted to be used online, having not been detected by the server's [[Cheating#Cheat_prevention_in_the_Pok.C3.A9mon_games|anti-cheat detection]], as the term refers to the Pokémon itself being in an unobtainable state, not necessarily whether it is detected by the game's anti-cheat.
**[[Shiny]] {{p|Keldeo}} is an example of a Pokémon that is illegal but remains usable online. It has never been obtainable in-game, nor distributed as an [[Event Pokémon]] in its Shiny form. Despite being a [[Appendix:Fan_terminology#Shiny-locked|Shiny-locked]] species, Shiny Keldeo is not detected by any anti-cheat in [[Generation V]] through [[Generation VIII]].
* It is also possible for illegal Pokémon or items to be obtained, or even generated by players who are not [[cheating]], having only interacted with the game via legitimate means, as a result of interference by other cheating players.
** One such instance would be [[breeding]] using a parent Pokémon that has an impossible combination of [[Poké Ball]] and [[species]], obtained via [[trade]] from a cheating player. A {{p|Skeledirge}} in a [[Beast Ball]] for example, is currently an impossible combination due to Skeledirge being unavailable to be captured in the wild. If bred, an illegal {{p|Fuecoco}} [[Egg]] would be produced, inheriting the Beast Ball from the illegal parent.
** Another instance would be a player joining a [[List_of_glitches_(Generation_VIII)#Hacked_Max_Raids|hacked Max Raid]] via [[Y-Comm]], (prior to Sword and Shield v1.2.1), and then catching the resulting illegal Pokémon, or receiving unobtainable item as a reward for defeating it. As a result, Pokémon and items that were impossible to receive via trade due to anti-cheat detection were made possible to obtain on an unmodified savefile, as the Pokémon and items are generated client-side by the non-cheating participant's game.

====Untouched====
A Pokémon that is in the same state as it was obtained in. Specifically, it has gained no [[experience]], [[level]]s, {{EV}}s, or [[Ribbon]]s, had none of its [[move]]s changed or reordered, and has not [[Evolution|evolved]], gained [[Pokérus]], or had its pre-existing Pokérus become inactive. Commonly used to refer to [[event Pokémon]] and in-game [[gift Pokémon]].

===Gameplay terms===
====6V or 6IV====
Refers to a Pokémon with perfect/maximum [[individual values]] in all [[statistic|stats]].

The term "5V" or "5IV" (a Pokémon with perfect/maximum individual values in five stats) is also commonly used due to the {{pkmn|breeding}} effect of [[Destiny Knot]], which was introduced in [[Generation VI]].

====Chaining====
A method used to repeatedly encounter the same Pokémon via a feature such as [[Poké Radar]] and [[DexNav]], which lines up the chance of getting a desired Pokémon. Chaining with the Poke Radar is often tried for the purposes of getting a shiny Pokémon of a specific species.

====Cheating====
{{main|Cheating}}
The use of any device unauthorized by [[The Pokémon Company]] to modify a Pokémon game. Being found to have cheated in any way, or having a Pokémon that was obtained by cheating on another game will result in immediate disqualification from any official tournament, and disqualification from all future official tournaments.

====EV training====
Intentionally battling Pokémon for the {{EV}}s they give out in order to ensure EVs are distributed in a specific way or capped.

====Focus Miss/Stone Miss====
Derogatory terms for {{m|Focus Blast}} and {{m|Stone Edge}}, referring to the [[move]]s' mediocre [[accuracy]].

====Gear Station or Centrico Plaza trick====
Securing the D-pad or analog stick in one direction so that the player continuously walks around the circular {{DL|Battle Subway|Gear Station}} or {{DL|Lumiose City|Prism Tower|Centrico Plaza}}, resulting in an effortless refilling of [[Hidden Grotto]]es, increase in [[friendship]], hatching of {{pkmn|Egg}}s, and accumulation of [[Poké Mile]]s.

====Grinding====
{{pkmn|training|Training}} a Pokémon to a certain [[level]] through repetitive battling.

====Hatcher====
A Pokémon with the [[Ability]] {{a|Flame Body}}, {{a|Magma Armor}}, or {{a|Steam Engine}} such as {{p|Fletchinder}}, {{p|Slugma}}, and {{p|Rolycoly}} in the [[party]], mainly used for hatching {{pkmn|Egg}}s faster.

====HM mule====
[[File:HM mule Bibarel.png|thumb|right|220px|A Bibarel that knows four field moves]]
A term used within parts of the fandom to refer to a Pokémon in a Trainer's party that is used for navigational support through the use of [[field move]]s—generally those taught by [[HM|Hidden Machines]]. HM mules will typically have three or four move slots occupied with field moves, allowing smooth passage through caves, across oceans, or past other obstacles at the expense of their battling capabilities.

With the retirement of HMs and field moves from [[Generation VII]] onward, HM mules are no longer necessary. In Generation VII, the functions of HMs are replaced by [[Poké Ride]]s{{sup/7|SMUSUM}} and [[Secret Technique]]s{{sup/7|PE}}. In [[Pokémon Sword and Shield]], the [[Rotom Bike]]'s Water Mode replaces {{m|Surf}} and the [[Flying Taxi]] replaces {{m|Fly}}. In [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]], various [[Ride Pokémon (Hisui)|ride Pokémon]] provide similar functions, allowing the player to traverse through [[Hisui]] faster, swim through water, climb steep cliffs, and glide through the air. The [[Arc Phone]]'s map allows players to warp between locations, replacing Fly.

HM mules are often referred to as ''HM slaves''. An equivalent term used within the Japanese fandom is '''{{tt|秘伝要員|ひでんよういん}}''', with {{tt|秘伝|ひでん}} being from {{tt|秘伝マシン|ひでんマシン}} ''Hidden Machine'' followed by {{tt|要員|よういん}} ''personnel''.

====HSOWA====
[[File:HSOWA HGSS.png|thumb|220px|right|A Skitty and a Wailord at the Day Care]]
The fan term HSOWA is an initialism that stands for "Hot Skitty On Wailord Action". It is derived from the fact that {{p|Skitty}} and {{p|Wailord}} can {{pkmn|breeding|breed}} in the {{pkmn|games}} despite the massive size difference. It has reached cult status on some message boards. The term originates from GameFAQs.

====IV breeding====
Intentionally [[breeding]] Pokémon to have a specific {{IV}} or set of IVs.

====Masuda method====
{{main|Masuda method}}
The game mechanic that increases the likelihood of [[Shiny Pokémon]] to hatch from {{pkmn|Egg}}s if the parents are from differing real-world geographical locations. Named after [[Junichi Masuda]], who first documented this mechanic in [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 his blog].

====Nuzlocke Challenge====
{{main|Nuzlocke Challenge}}
A special challenge playthrough of a Pokémon game in which the player must follow a set of self-enforced rules to make the game more difficult. Most notably, the player can only catch the first Pokémon they encounter on each route, and must release any Pokémon that faints. Named after the [http://nuzlocke.com/ comic series] of the same name that first proposed the type of playthrough.

====Professor Oak Challenge====
A time-consuming challenge playthrough of a Pokémon game in which the player must fill up the [[Pokédex]] to its limit before taking on each [[Gym Leader]]. This challenge was created by user Chamale on {{wp|Reddit}}, and popularized by {{wp|YouTuber}} 'JohnStone'.

====Repel trick====
{{main|Appendix:Repel trick}}
Using [[Repel]]s and a lead Pokémon of a specific level to restrict [[wild Pokémon]] encounters to a specific Pokémon or group of Pokémon due to the maximum level at which wild Pokémon can appear.

====Shiny-locked====
Referring to a Pokémon obtained in a particular game that is prevented from being {{Shiny}}.

====Spinner trick====
Securing the D-pad or analogue stick in a single direction so that the player continuously walks into a [[spin tile]], resulting in an effortless increase in [[friendship]] and hatching of {{pkmn|Egg}}s. Often called the "Fuego trick" in {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} due to [[Fuego Ironworks]] being the optimal location for doing so.

====Synchronizer====
Pokémon with the [[Ability]] {{a|Synchronize}} such as {{p|Abra}} and {{p|Ralts}} in the first place in the [[party]], mainly used for obtaining Pokémon with the desired [[Nature]].

====Walking Pokémon====
{{main|Walking Pokémon}}
Pokémon that walk alongside their {{pkmn|Trainer}} when they normally would be inside their [[Poké Ball]]s outside of battle. Also referred to by fans as '''Pokémon following you'''.

====Apriball====
{{main|Apricorn}}
Referring to the [[Poké Ball]]s crafted using [[Apricorn]]s in [[Johto]], [[Kanto]]{{sup/4|HGSS}}, or [[Galar]] regions, specifically the [[Heavy Ball|Heavy]], [[Lure Ball|Lure]], [[Friend Ball|Friend]], [[Love Ball|Love]], [[Level Ball|Level]], [[Fast Ball|Fast]], and [[Moon Ball]]s.

Despite Poké Balls in {{g|Legends: Arceus}} also being craftable using Apricorns, this term doesn't refer to Poké Balls from the Hisui region.

===Metagame terms===
{{main|Appendix:Metagame terminology}}

===Technical terms===
====EVs====
{{main|Effort values}}
Effort values, often shortened to EVs, are capped permanent stat bonuses gained by defeating Pokémon, using items such as [[vitamin]]s or [[wing]]s, or using services such as those in [[Join Avenue]]. They ensure trained Pokémon are stronger than newly caught Pokémon.

=====AVs=====
{{main|Awakening values}}
Awakening values, often shortened to AVs, are used in {{g|Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!}} in place of EVs. AVs are used to increase a Pokémon's [[statistic|stats]], but are awarded through the use of [[Candy]] and [[level]]ing up, rather than by defeating other Pokémon in {{pkmn|battle}}s or consuming [[vitamin]]s.

=====ELs or GVs=====
{{main|Effort level}}
Effort levels, often shortened to ELs, (referred to internally as "Ganbaru values", often shortened to GVs), are a mechanic introduced in {{g|Legends: Arceus}}. Effort levels take the place of [[effort value]]s from previous games. Pokémon gain effort levels through the use of [[Grit]] items, but will initially begin with 0-3 ELs in each stat, with the amount being determined by the Pokémon's [[IV]]s.

====IVs====
{{main|Individual values}}
Individual values, often shortened to IVs, are fixed values that can be inherited from the Pokémon's parents. They ensure Pokémon are genetically different.

====PID or EC====
{{main|Personality value}}
A shortened version of the term personality value, a hidden value used to determine several properties of a Pokémon, including [[Shiny|Shininess]]. [[Generation VI]] onwards, this value is split into two separate values, with the latter being referred to as the Encryption Constant, often shortened to EC.

=====PSV or ESV=====
Pokémon Shiny Value, often shortened to PSV, and Egg Shiny Value, often shortened to ESV, are values derived from a Pokémon or [[Egg]]'s [[personality value]], designed as an easy way to tell if the Pokémon or Egg will appear as {{Shiny}} for a given player, if the value is the same as that player's Trainer Shiny Value, (often shortened to TSV).

====TID or SID====
{{main|Trainer ID}}
Trainer ID, often shorted to TID, is the 5 to 6 digit value displayed on the player's [[Trainer card]], [[League Card]], or in-game save menu. The Secret ID, often shortened to SID, is a hidden 4 or 5 digit value used alongside the Trainer ID to determine which Pokémon will appear as {{Shiny}} for the player, according to the Pokémon's [[personality value]].

=====TSV=====
Trainer Shiny Value, often shortened to TSV, is a value derived from the player's [[Trainer ID]] and Secret ID, designed as an easy way to tell if a given [[Egg]] or Pokémon will be shiny for the player, if their Egg Shiny Value, (often shortened to ESV), or Pokémon Shiny Value, (often shortened to PSV) is the same value as the player's Trainer Shiny Value.

====RNG or RNG Abuse====
{{main|Pseudorandom number generation in Pokémon}}
Refers to the Random Number Generator, or the practice of manipulating it through the use of fan-made software (commonly referred to as RNG Abuse), in order to obtain [[Shiny Pokémon]] or Pokémon with specific {{IV}}s—both endeavors which would otherwise leave a lot up to chance.

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== Suggestions ==

Hi! Where could I submit suggestions for the editorial board to consider? I've just finished completing the learnsets for every move in LA and with that I'd like to drastically overhaul/simplify how the move learnset templates look. It'd be a lot of work, but there is plenty of time until the next games. I already discussed the matter with [[User:SnorlaxMonster]] who broadly supported it, so I'd like to start the official process of having my suggestions evaluated/fine-tuned/accepted. You can find everything you need to know [[User:Oneofthosedf/Sandbox|in my sandbox]].

Another suggestion would be using galleries when we list the confirmed Pokémon an artist has designed. This seems pretty straight-forward to me, I hope I don't need to list reasons as to why. It would really help people understand and appreciate the artists more.

[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 20:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

:Could I at least get an answer? Or could you redirect me to a person who can help me with the process?

: '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]] 15:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
::Apologies for the late response. I'll briefly go over your points. Point 1 and 4 seem to go hand in hand, I wouldn't mind using the sugimori artwork in favor of the menusprites for single image templates. Using them for a list makes the template look larger than it needs to be, so menusprites (being smaller) works better imo. As for the types, the older ones are preferred because the text is larger than those on the newer symbols. The new symbol may look nicer but it doesn't help those unaware of what those smbol represents.
::For points 2 and 3, Maahirmomtaz is in the wrong here. I have no idea why they are making those edits and someone should ask them why on their talk page. If they doesn't respond, then staff can make them respond. Using the sup template for game specific moves is indeed how we do things. Though I do agree that it has recently gotten ridiculous, and your templates are indeed a better way of showing them. I don't think having both games and generations in one header would be confusing, as long as the reader understands the purpose of such layout.
::For point 5, I'm 50/50 on it. I think they should be separated for being completely different learning methods, but I can understand merging them to save space.
::As for the galleries, eh. We don't do that for voice actor articles, so I don't think it's worth doing it for the designer articles. Just bloats the article up, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response. I hope I didn't come off as arrogant, but I'm just used to sending a reminder to offices IRL. There was no frustration behind it.
:::The two points that I care about most are #3 and #5, the ones that would require the most work and the ones that are most needed. I'll address all of them one by one briefly.
:::'''1:''' I just think the different line heights look pretty jarring. Consistency is always the best, and considering we can fix all the templates that use menusprites this easily, it should be done. I do dislike that all of them need to be 68x68, but that's life. Nothing we can do about that (unless of course we move away from pixel art, which gives us endless sclability options).
:::'''2&3:''' I think they noticed the situation getting ridiculous as well. If my suggestions are accepted, we would only need to use the superscripts for the few forms and new Pokémon that were introduced in Pt, B2W2, ORAS and USUM. I trust the reader will understand it. But we can always leave a note in the footer explaining that Gen VII and Gen VIII needed to be broken up.
:::'''4:''' I think the era of menusprites is over. We'll inevitably get confirmation in a few months when the SV trailers start to showcase some gameplay. But neither BDSP nor LA uses them anymore. I think it's done. Consistency is always the best move, and a core quality of Bulbapedia. I love the spritework personally, but they don't look as good on the Switch as they do on Bulbapedia. We can't keep using menusprites and the LA headshots with whatever SV will introduce, then a possible fourth artstyle by the end of 2023. I understand the issue with the Sugimori artworks taking up too much place, but technically they wouldn't. There would be just less white spaces. I pray for a game where every Pokémon is available again (mainly for this reason), but until then the Sugimori artworks are the only thing every Pokémon has (Eiscue forms and Galarian Zen Darmanitan don't need to be incldued, thankfully). I also don't think they look bad, I can try making a longer list with 100+ Pokémon if that's something you think would be more convincing.
:::'''4:''' As for the type bars, I'm not sure that I understand your complaint. I don't see why we'd need to use the ones from 2006. AFAIK the Fairy type bars are fan-made. My sandbox displays the version with the type names. They are perfectly legible, and the symbols aren't too small either. The colors broadly fit the colors Bulbapedia uses as well. We should move away from pixel art, because monitors with higher resolutions don't accommodate them too well. I need to zoom out a whole lot for them to look crisp. Ironically the type bars I am using are now obsolete as well, BDSP, LA and SV use a new version, so I shall implement those (though I'd need permission to remove the dead space around them).
:::'''5:''' This is partly about future-proofing, partly about reducing bloat, and partly about displaying information as neatly as possible. I am certain we will get new learning/tutoring methods later down the line, and we don't need another section for Giga Drain with 300+ entries that contains the same information. It also addressed the issue with moves that keep going for TMs to tutors to TRs, then back to tutors, etc. I don't think it would be confusing at all.
:::'''Galleries:''' I wouldn't want them to be used on voice actor pages either, utterly useless IMO. I think there is a stronger argument for displaying artworks on the pages of the designers. A list just feels lifeless, while a gallery feels respectful to the artists, and helps users understand their design philosophy.
:::I want to get as much input from experienced users as possible. I really want these changes to accommodate everyone, since I think this is the way going forward and something no other big sites have. How should I go about gaining supporters for this? I refrained from writing individual community members as I feel that constitutes as spam. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 12:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Your posts doesn't seem arrogant or confrontational at all. I can understand wanting to bump a discussion when an admin doesn't respond to it. If you want to reach out to more users but not spam multiple talk pages, you can always use the [[Editor's hub]] talk page. Though going to a staff member works just as well, as they will most likely relay the message onto the other staff members in the staff discord.
::::1: Nothing we can do if the images are of varying sizes. We can't expand the smallest menusprite to be the same size as the largest menusprite.
::::2/3: Seems we are in agreement on this. I don't mind separate columns within a generation for separate games.
::::4: I was actually under the impression that the artwork would make the other cells have more whitespace than needed as opposed to menusprites, but checking now, doesn't seem to be the case. Probably is more ideal looking comparing the two again.
::::4: As for the types, (if I remember correctly) that was what was mentioned as the reason for using the older type images in a staff chat. The text would appear too small in the size we would have them, as opposed to the older images where the text were essentially the image. It's probably fine for mobile, but not so much for desktop.
::::5: Yeah, not entirely against reducing repeated information, so I won't be bother if we do decide to merge them together.
::::Galleries: That's understandable. I think having the images be smaller would change my mind, just having them how it is on your page makes it seem cluttered.
::::And just a couple points about your templates: I think leaving the tutor/tm/tr row white works best to avoid color clashes (using EP for IoA may or may not be confused with CT, unless there's not much of a difference in movesets), and leaving out games where the move isn't coded in makes sense (though I think a note in the footnote might be best to avoid confused users asking questions).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::1: I was thinking about what we have on the [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl]] page. The version-exclusive list already uses the Moveevtrytm template, so we'd only need to change the headers (I think). The images are not altered, only centered. I am not exactly sure which part of the code makes them appear this way, but you can't deny that it looks more cohesive.
:::::4: Here is an image (https://imgur.com/n0czury) I want you to look at. I use 2560x1440 monitors and at default zoom, everything on Bulbapedia appears to me as it does in the bottom row. Amazing for artworks. So much detail. Terrible for spritework, unfortunately. In order to enjoy them, I need to use 80% zoom (the standard for smaller resolutions), which makes everything tiny. You can also compare the readability of the type bars on the image. Exact same font height. I think one can read both just fine. By completely getting rid of spritework, we now have a zoom-proof wiki. People who are hard of seeing can now freely zoom in without the fear of blurry pixelart. So my proposal actually accommodates readability, if you think about it. It also shows that we don't need to stick with 68px, we can go smaller, if we want to further reduce scrolling. Or we can use 70px on move pages, but go with 50px for the headers on Pokémon pages. Endless possibilities. It would need some manual work, since the naming conventions for menusprites and Sugimori artwork are different, but that's part of future-proofing.
:::::Galleries: Okay, I'll make some variations. I just used the default Bulbapedia gallery, I'm fine with scaling down.
:::::IoA is unfortunately completely unreadable on a white background, and since it's neither a game, neither a separate DLC, using the EP superscript is more accurate. We don't list the tutor locations on the move pages (not in this case), so it doesn't matter whether it's obvious that the tutors are available on the IoA or the CT. Anyone who has access to one of them, automatically can access the other. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 15:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::1:The way it's done on the bdsp article is indeed good, that's because the moveentry template has the image align-centered and at a height of 70px. I should note that I'm under the impression that the problem here is the size discrepancy between menusprites, hence "Nothing we can do if the images are of varying sizes." The LA menusprites, on the other hand, would lean me towards using sugimori art due to them being way different than the usual menusprites.
::::::4:Seems you're using a slightly bigger screen that me. But still, for me at least, menusprites or sugimori artwork still look completely fine regardless of 80% or 100% scale. But I am leaning towards sugimori art. As for type images, I still stand by using the older ones. Same as the menusprite vs artwork, I personally can see both just fine regardless of scale, but the text of the newer images being slightly squished to make way for the symbol wuld make it slightly harder to read.
::::::Galleries: They look fine now. TRG didn't really need to add examples of other designers, just one example is fine. If you are fine with the approval of one admin, you can go ahead and add the galleries.
::::::Fair enough, I don't have much else to say about the templates design wise, so they're fine by me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks, my next post will be on the [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Editor's Hub]]. I am 100% on the side of using Sugimori, so I'm happy with your replies. My original idea for the type bars was just to use the highlighted texts we use everywhere else on Bulbapedia. I don't know if their implementation is feasible, but I'll ask around and if it is, I'll throw it in the suggestion. I'm thinking of something like this (visual edit, not coded): https://imgur.com/msd1Gzi. I'll go ahead and add the galleries, and I'm thankful for TRG, because they did save me a lot of work. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 14:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Hey! I finally posted my full suggestion on the [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Editor's Hub]]. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 22:20, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

== Designers ==

I had a thought that it would be nicer to find all designers by giving them navigation infobox. I made it here, can I add it? [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Team_Rocket_Grunt&oldid=3489199#Designer_Template]--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
:Sure. Surprised we don't already have a category for them as well, though both a nav box and category would probably be redundant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 12:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

== Reverting literally all of my edits ==

ForceFire, why are you reverting literally all of my edits you notice? You seem to be biased against me like I'm an undercover Soviet (which I am NOT!). Can you please explain this? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 18:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:I monitor the recent changes regularly and check edits that catch my attention, especially if it's a user that has made problematic edits in the past. You are not the first user that I have monitored the edits of.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

But why are you calling literally all my edits problematic? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 19:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:Because you've either A)[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Earth_Power_(move)&diff=prev&oldid=3487028 added] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Flygon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=3476113 very] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Giratina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=3387459 unnotable] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=May_(anime)&diff=prev&oldid=3463623 trivia] B) [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences&diff=prev&oldid=3490879 constantly] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_form_differences&diff=prev&oldid=3490878 reverted] edits, i.e. edit war or C) [[Talk:Pokémon controversy#Highly Risky/Inappropriate Website Link|Have very]] [[Talk:Gender#Inappropriate citation|extreme views]] [[Bulbapedia_talk:General disclaimer#Wikipedia links|on things]] that we can't control. That's why your edits are "problematic" and are worth monitoring.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, I'll have you know that I have religious beliefs against sexuality and that's why I've tried to sex-proof Bulbapedia by removing links like that.

Second, my edit on the form difference page was a legitimate edit because there are Pokemon that change HP stay based on their formes, such as Zygarde. It says on there "other than HP" which is genuinely incorrect.

Third, you are right that I should not be adding personal opinions like my similarities to May or that Giratina is my favorite Pokemon, but some people do legitimately mistake Flygon for a Pseudo-legendary, for example. I added that piece of information specifically because I've had people say to me that Flygon among a few others is a Pseudo-legendary, and I even specified why in the trivia it was not.

At this point I think you are completely biased against me, whether it's because of stupid mistakes I did make or simply because you disagree with me, but that is no reason to treat me this way. I've been treated this way by too many people in my life and I'm tired of it. I've already mentioned this to a member of the editorial board in fact. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 22:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:The fact that most of your edits were reverted by me is just a consequence of me monitoring the recent changes and checking edits of users that have made problematic edits in the past. You are not the first, nor are you the only, nor will you be the last user whose edits I monitor from the recent changes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

== Pages for analysis ==

Hello, I'm sending this message to ask about the possibility that these pages here meet requirements to go to mainspace. Boldore's page, I think, will fulfill the requirements from Friday's episode. I'm also sending a link with a shortcut to some Trainer templates for some characters, I know some of them don't meet the requirements, but probably one or two might work.

The other two are from events that happened and don't have pages, I tried to follow the same pattern as other events in the anime. I'm sending mainly because I have a lot of pages to be mounted in my userspace, and I want to try to reduce that amount.

* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Mewtwo (game)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Boldore]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Ash Ketchum (A Ripple in Time)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Pokémon Flower Arrangement]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Sinnoh Fair]]
* [[User:Hikaru_Wazana#Templates|Templates]]

There are some from other users, i hope I don't have a problem with that, which I also wanted to know if it was possible to be analyzed.

* [[User:Pikablu/Gladion’s Zoroark]]
* [[User:05308/Professor Sycamore's Garchomp]]
* [[User:Lockheedpryde/Francois]]

These are pages that I helped in some sections and that I wanted to work on more, but as they are pages of other users, I don't know if something can be done without their consent. And some of them aren't often here, so there's little point in trying to get in touch.

I thank you in advance.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 03:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:Mewtwo's role in the game is not as notable or important to the plot of its game as Arceus is to Legends. Not every Pokemon is a sliver of importance in a game is notable for its own article. And adding its appearance in other media doesn't make it notable.
:Goh's Boldore would be notable, regardless of its role in the next episodes, as it had an important role in a previous episode.
:I think the Ash article is fine.
:Both Flower Arrangement and Sinnoh Fair would need a bit of cleanup, some external link template at the bottom, and they're good.
:For the Anime character Pokemon tmeplates, we only makes them when one of their Pokemon has an article and if they have more than one Pokemon. So only Cynthia, Korrina, Brandon, Clair, Volkner, and Barry are fine. The Adventures template seems fine, but best to ask someone who edits to manga section for their opinion.
:All three are fine.
:As for [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Darkest Day (anime)|these]] [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Project Mew (Mission Regis)|two]]. These are not notable. Quality over Quantity. They are too small to be articles. We want fully fleshed articles, not articles that are a couple of paragraphs surrounded by colorful templates.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Can I be transferring these pages that you approved to the mainspace? I asked BigDocFan for help, not to exceed my daily personal edit limit. And I'll be working on the details you mentioned that need to be done in the others.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::You can move the pages/templates that I gave approved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::None of Volkner's Pokémon have a page. Why is his template approved? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::Oh, could've sworn one of his Pokemon had an article, then yeah, that isn't notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Boldore is unable to be moved, can you solve this?I was going to wait until Friday, but since we're doing it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Boldore will be moved once the episode has aired as it technically still hasn't appeared in three episodes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think whoever moved the Volkner template got confused. Anyway, I think it can be reversed, no?
'''''Boldore will be moved once the episode has aired as it technically still hasn't appeared in three episodes.'''''
::::::::::::::OK everything is fine. Thanks for the feedback.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Does the template requiring only one Pokémon apply only to the anime? Because this template [[User:Animaltamer7/Whitley's Pokémon]] otherwise qualifies. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::I think this one is the same as the Adventures template, Rahl. It has to be discussed with someone who takes care of the manga part of the site.

::Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you, Force Fire and everyone. I saw that it took some extra work to make all the changes. Next time I'll try not to accumulate so as not to generate extra work for the whole team. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:30, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:::The rule should apply to both manga and anime character's Pokemon. That one should be fine, as she has more than one Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Great. Thank you. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:I'm guessing none of Volkner's Pokemon are considered worthy enough for their own page, Electivire and Luxray seem worthy but haven't done much besides battling.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Electivire's role is bigger in the manga than in the anime, in Adventures, Volkner uses it to face Giratina, train {{adv|Platinum}} and among other things. I thought about making a page of it from this version, but apparently in the manga characters pages, the notability rule is different. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::[[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Manga/Manga Pokémon notability policy|See here for Manga notability requirements]]. I'm not knowledgeable on the manga, so best ask someone that is for their opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

==Goh's Boldore==
Now that JN102, can Boldore be mainspaced, if so could you do it because of the redirect link. Also, Boldore was shown to withstand Sheer Cold so can we take this as it having the ability Sturdy?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::I already realized that, I [[Talk:List_of_Goh%27s_Pok%C3%A9mon#Boldore.27s_Ability|opened]] a discussion about Boldore's ability before. It's not the first time Goh has used Boldore's stamina for something in the anime, for me there is no doubt that this Pokémon's ability is Sturdy.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 11:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::I think Sturdy's depiction of a Pokemon withstanding attacks is too vague to make an educated guess, many, ''many'', Pokemon have withstood attacks and a majority don't have Sturdy. So Sturdy is an ability that needs to be explicitly mentioned.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Isn't the fact it was the only one to withstand Sheer Cold not enough proof? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::I don't recall if ohko moves have been explicitly referred to as such in the anime, or if the concept of move being an ohko move exists, so Sheer Cold could just be seen as any other move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Eternatus ==
So yesterday I added more info to Goh's Eternatus page, as I thought it should cover Eternatus as the Darkest Day. Do you think it's a good idea to rename the page to something like Eternatus (Darkest Day) and re-add the info?--[[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 11:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:I think there being a manga version of Goh's specific Eternatus makes it more "unique", as in it's not just any random Eternatus. I don't think a separate article for the one specific game Eternatus is needed, that can be put in their respective sections in their respective articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Pages for deletion ==

I saw you deleting some pages in the RC's, so could you take a look at other {{cat|pages to be deleted}}? I think they're sitting there and the staff didn't make a backlog of these pages.

The pages about battle facility Pokémon in that category can be deleted because these have been replaced. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 20:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:Staff will get to the articles in those categories, and any other categories of similar nature, when they can. We have lives. No need to get all worried and panicky about this sort of stuff.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== evkl's welcome template ==

I think I realize by now that I could have just copied my own version to my own userspace and do the modifications there, right?

I did so because the current version of the welcome template has an issue with the signature field. Specifically, it [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810939859585597441/954752642033266748/Screenshot_20220319-150011.png breaks on mobile devices], so I wanted to create a non-breaking version. (My custom CSS has that all tables are to have {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|border-collapse}} set to {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|separate}}, so it might look different for you). --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 14:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
:Regular/casual users aren't going to find it anyway. It doesn't matter.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
::Okay. I decided to just have my own version [[User:Bfdifan2006/Welcome|in my own userspace]], but with the content matching the one in evkl's version (for consistency). --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 15:11, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Caterpie ==

This page [[User:Rahl/Goh's Caterpie]] meets the notability requirements. Could it get mainspaced? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Lavender Town and hoaxes ==

You do realize that, outside of the community, Lavender Town is known for being the subject of tons of hoaxes and not specifically Lavender Town Syndrome, right? Also, anyone who has learned about the myth that the music was changed would have learned about the whole hoax. No one's gonna mention that the music was supposedly changed and not the suicides and such. The effects are the entire point of the hoax. The music was simply the backdrop. The trivia point skates around mentioning a specific hoax by completely ignoring why people outside of the community know that music change lie. So, if it's truly notable enough, the reason it's notable at all should be included. Nobody cares that the music was changed, people only care why it was supposedly changed. Add what people know it for or delete it. That part by itself lacks any notability. Since you can't mention a specific hoax, the only option is to get rid of it. The fact that Lavender Town's the subject of hoaxes is infinitely more notable than that, and therefore infinitely more worthy than the current point. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Your reason holds absolutely no water. [[User:General Kipicus|General Kipicus]] ([[User talk:General Kipicus|talk]]) 23:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Dub season logos in series' pages ==

I was thinking that dub season logos could be added in the individual series' pages. Here is an [[User:Ricbolog1310/Sandbox|example]]. What do you think?--[[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 13:03, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
:I think it's fine, though it's probably more appropriate in the gallery section of those articles, as it's already there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I was being consistent with the way logos are shown in the original series page. [[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 16:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
:Ah, only checked the RS article. Well, if it's already done there, then can't see why it can't be done on the other series article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. In this case I'll add them.--[[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 16:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

== "Undiscovered" Egg Group ==

All move pages still use the name "Undiscovered" instead of "No Eggs Discovered". Are they supposed to?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 23:29, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

== N Template ==

So you deleted the template for {{adv|N}}, which I think might have been a mistake. He has four Pokémon with pages.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:While I'm on the topic, Pryce, Lt. Surge, Koga, Jasmine, and Blaine have more than one Pokémon with a page.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 17:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
::12 years ago, this was [[Category talk:Trainer's Pokémon templates#OK, enough.|proposed]] by [[User talk:electAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]], a now-retired staff member. I think the staff brought this up again, on the staff-only section of the forums. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 17:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:::No. No it was not brought up on the staff forums nor on the staff discord. I found it after trying to remember where exactly I saw the "rules" I laid out in my [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Force_Fire&diff=3494678&oldid=3494609 previous response]. Admittedly I could only vaguely remember the first rule, and not the second.
:::As for those, may have missed the manga specific articles as I was mainly focused on the anime part. I've restored those one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks for fixing those. {{unsigned|Rahl}}

== Three questions ==

# If you think a similar bit is actually okay on the [[Buck]] page, then why did you remove the bit I added to [[kodama]]'s page? I know search is the bigger issue here, but I think it requires to be talked about.
# Is it okay that I can mainspace my {<nowiki/>{[[User:Bfdifan2006/code|code]]}} template? Bulbapedia did have it at some point, but it was deleted. Using it is actually much easier than having to type {{#tag:code|{{#tag:nowiki|<code><<nowiki/>nowiki></nowiki></code>}}}} (without the <code><<nowiki/>nowiki></nowiki></code> in some cases). Of course, I will change the documentation template used on the template page (after mainspacing the page) to the one {{u|bthrussellUK}} made.
# I think I could create the page {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|Template:Tl}} (short for "template link") as a redirect to the {{template|template}} link template. I feel its name is too long in this case, but I am not requesting you to move the template. What do you think?
--'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 20:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
:First of all, I did not add the baku bit to Buck's article. Do not make false accusations, you are treading a very thin line here. Secondly, just because it's elsewhere doesn't mean it's okay. I've removed it.
:No and no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:07, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

== April Fools' Day 2022 article (serious matter) ==

For the article about this day (which is currently located at [[User:Bfdifan2006/April Fools' Day 2022]]), you said it can go back to the mainspace when April 1 is over in all parts of the world. In that case, it should be re-mainspaced on April 2, at 11:00 UTC (which is when April 1 is over in Niue). Ideally, this would be at 12:00 UTC on that day, but all territories that use UTC -12 are uninhabited. The time zone that is the furthest behind but used by people is UTC -11, used in Niue. See [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20220402T110000&p1=196&p2=724&p3=1471&p4=1440 here]. I'm saying this is serious, so you don't treat it as an April Fools' joke.

Do not create a new article about the same thing. After re-mainspacing mine, just expand it. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:... This was completely unnecessary. You, or anyone, can just move the page once April 2nd roll over. No need to spam my talk page with this nonsense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Just so you don't get the wrong idea, I mainspaced BthrussellUK's version of the article because it was already more fleshed out than yours.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

:::Just delete [[User:Bfdifan2006/April Fools' Day 2022]], I don't need that anymore. I included most info about Duck there, in fear that the article will be deleted, but since it wasn't, all this is redundant. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 12:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
== [[April Fools' Day 2022/Duck (Pokémon)]] ==
In the first section on this page, the link that says "Duckling" is meant to link to the {{DL|April Fools' Day 2022/Duck (Pokémon)|Evolution}} section of that page, but now it links to the page's original title. Can you fix that so it doesn't need to reload the page to just load a redirect? --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 12:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

== Mascots ==

I literally added a similar bit to {{p|Meloetta}}'s page, stating it being the mascot of [[Pokémon Showdown]]. Nobody removed it, so why wasn't the Poképédia mascot thing notable for {{p|Uxie}}? And I am not calling you to remove that bit from Meloetta's page. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 11:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
:Because a Pokemon being used as a mascot for a fansite is not notable. The Uxie bit has also been removed many times before with the same reasoning. I know what I'm doing, I've been around a fair bit. Azumarill, Koffing, Celebi, and Bulbasaur (to name a few) also don't have trivia about them being mascots of Marriland, Smogon, Serebii, and Bulbapedia.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

== I found a source that calls the pattern on Eevee's tail a heart ==

https://dragonsabbath.proboards.com/thread/27/heart-tailed-eevee

In this community, there was a user who agreed with my post claiming the Eevee has a heart on its tail. The user who replied to this thread at the bottom said that it was a heart, and didn't mention anything about a flower. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 11:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Other "fans" agreeing with your opinion does not count as a source.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Why did you put the word fans in quotation marks? Are you implying you think I made this up? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 12:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Because the user that agreed with you has a Wobbuffet related name and avatar, and you have a thing regarding Wobbuffet (be it about a metagame strategy, your brother and his multiple wobbuffet accounts on showdown, or about someone making troll comments on your youtube videos), so yes it's hard to believe that it's really someone else.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

This guy is actually Leonard Craft III, who is a known moderator on Pokemon Showdown (DaWoblefet) so it's not who you're thinking of. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, he wasn't the only one who agreed with me. A guy with an elephant avatar also agreed with me, and I never talked about the weird thing I used to have about Phanpy yet. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:The other user did not agree with you, they were just saying that it was cute, not that it had a "heart" shape pattern. Another user also questions whether the pattern is actually a heart or a flower.
:Bottom line is, the opinions of others do not matter, only the official sources do (and a random forum is not an official source). in this case, where there is no official source, we go but what makes the most sense, and the pattern being a flower makes the most sense. '''Because the pattern loops around the tail, it is not confined to one part of the tail.''' Bolded for emphasis.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

There was another user in the thread who posted a picture of an official Eevee source proving there was a heart on its tail. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:They just reposted the official artwork, there's not source actually saying that it's meant to be a heart. And you're simply refusing to listen, the pattern '''''surrounds''''' its tail, therefore, when you view it from '''''above''''' it forms a flower. I suggest you drop this, as you are simply trying to get your own way by assuming other people agreeing with you somehow validates your opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::[[File:Partner Eevee gender differences.png|280px]] Discussion's over. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

== Crunch/Thunder Fang ==

I strongly, ''strongly'' disagree with you on this. Those weren't electric spark, just energy sparks of the energy jaws hitting each other. In every other way, it's identical to Houndoom's Crunch. That minor of a difference shouldn't count as evidence towards a much more illogical move. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Ok, fair point about the sparks, but it still doesn't mean it's Crunch. Crunch does not have a unique enough animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::We've seen two confirmed cases of Crunch in Journeys, and in my opinion, comparing them with Huntail's move counts as good evidence of it being Crunch. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
:::The difference between the elemental fangs and Crunch (and to an extent, Bite) is that the former have an extra flair to their animations, whereas the latter two do not. A simple biting animation could be either Crunch or Bite. You can bring up the other examples of "Crunch" all you want, the bottom line is, the animation is too simple and vague to be a specific move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:24, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Bite has a distinctively different animation compared to Crunch in Journeys. Crunch is jaws of energy clamping down on the opponent, whereas with Bite, the user releases teeth-shaped energies from its mouth at the opponent. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

== MinnieG ==

I strongly suspect that this person is actually Kittystyler. Compare [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3368600&oldid=3366636 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3381334&oldid=3378827 edits] (both from confirmed sockpuppets) with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3416204&oldid=3414820 this edit]. In addition, they seem to focus on character relationships and their grammar structure just seems similar to Kittystyler in general. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Unfortunately I can't compare their IP addresses as all of KittyStyler's socks have been inactive for too long to compare them to MinnieG. Making similar edits is considered circumstantial, and the only other evidence I have is regarding their email, but that's too weak of evidence to say they're a sock of KittyStyler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah... I'm aware it's circumstantial evidence, but I do still feel like it's at least worth looking out for. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 07:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

== Re: Images ==

I understand that not all articles need appearances sections for two stage evolutions, I just thought they did because I saw a couple of them that did, like [[Casey's Meganium]] and [[Serena's Delphox]].--[[User:MinneG|MinnieG]] ([[User talk:MinnieG|talk]]) 09:58, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

== Update "Upcoming Anime "Page with Up-To-Date Upcoming Episodes (ASAP) ==

All the episodes listed are out of date. Could you or someone please fix this by display upcoming current episodes that are coming and up to date (like the one coming this week)? Also, could you do this for all the channels and locations?

https://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Upcoming_anime

I already made a comment on the page's Talk page, but there is no answer. [[User:Macpika|Macpika]] ([[User talk:Macpika|talk]]) 22:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
:This news page is being moved to a new place at some point in the future and is no longer being updated. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a million. I was wondering what was going on. [[User:Macpika|Macpika]] ([[User talk:Macpika|talk]]) 00:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

== Attack Order ==

I've found a YouTube video that shows one of the Japanese-exclusive Professor Oak's lecture segments, this one specifically from the DP series. In it, a Vespiquen attacks Professor Oak with a move that he identifies as Attack Order. And it looks nothing like the move the Combee used in [[DP032]], which Bulbapedia has counted as Vespiquen using Attack Order. Should it be changed to a move error of the Combee using Psybeam? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:14, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:I'll have to find the Japanese episode somehow to verify, but judging by DP032's talk page, seems to be guesswork. As for the move Combee used, it could've been any beam move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
::Based on the rainbow colors, it's most likely Psybeam, but whatever it is, it's not Attack Order. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Found a Japanese version of the episode. Attack Order wasn't mentioned at any point. May I delete the mentions of Attack Order in relation to DP032? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 23:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Go for it. I'm inclined to believe that it wasn't stated in the original version due to it being guesswork in the first place.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::As for Psybeam: here's a pair of comparison images:
:::::[[:File:Cheryl Mothim Psybeam.png|Cheryl's Mothim using Psybeam in DP031]]
:::::[[:File:Combee Psybeam.png|Combee's move from DP032]]
:::::Both beams are multicolored, have identical animations, and are from consecutive episodes in the same series. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't matter if it looks similar to other instances of Psybeam, it's still a vague "mutli-colored beam". It is too simple of an animation. [[:File:Zoey Gallade Signal Beam.png|Signal Beam]] and [[:File:Suicune Aurora Beam DP028.png|Aurora Beam]] were also portrayed as a "multi-colored beam" during DP, so it could also be any of those two.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I admit, those two beams look similar. But the images I provided use the same colors, despite being multicolored, and there weren't any beam attacks used during the DP series that used the same multicolor scheme as Psybeam. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

== Suicune and Cubone ==

Hi, good morning. I would like to know, if with today's episode, what are the chances of [[User:BigDocFan/Goh's Suicune|Suicune]] and [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Cubone|Cubone]] going to mainspace. I mean, in the case of the Cubone, technically, it achievied the requirements today. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
::I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss another topic with you, It's been a while since I've been putting together the images of the strips that anipoke's profile posts on Twiiter[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Hikaru_Wazana/After_the_story]. I've been thinking that maybe this content fits better in the pages of each episode, because probably by the end of Journeys, this page can get huge and with a huge list of references. This page proved to be very complicated to update and put content, one of the reasons why I take so long to update it completely. What do you (or the Bulbapedia's staff) think about this idea?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Suicune and Cubone have been moved. As for the strips, they seem to be in the same vain as [[Get Inspired! Let's Solve a Poké Riddle!!]]. I think it's fine for its own article and for individual episodes to have it mentioned in the trivia, as we do with the other Japan exclusive bonus content.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

== [[Poke Ball (Jungle 64)]] ==

In regards to the deletion of {{redlink|Poke Ball (item)}} and {{redlink|Poke Ball (Hisui)}}, should the similar redirect for [[Poké Ball (Jungle 64)]] also be deleted? There are also other similar redirects such as: [[Pokemon (species)]], [[Pokemon (TCG)]], [[Poke Fan (Trainer class)]], [[Poke Maniac (Trainer class)]], [[Poke Kid (Trainer class)]], and so on. Thoughts? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

==Goh Pokemon Pages==
I was wondering if Grimer, Misdreavus and Absol were worthy of having their own pages right now?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:42, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry to get involved in your conversation. But I wanted a suggestion, regarding this page [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Elemental Monkeys|here]]. When I created it, I imagined that the two monkeys would have similar screen time(Actually, I thought Goh was going to capture a Pansage up until this point), but Panpour apparently proved to be more notable than Pansear and technically, it met the requirements to go to mainspace, but Pansear has yet to have at least one more major appearance. What should I do in this case? Do I leave the page as it is or divide it to make room for a Panpour solo page?
::I'm wanting to reduce Goh's Pokémon pages, so much so that I'm waiting to see if Goh's Froakie will really have a relevance to the anime before actually making a page for it. If Froakie has a relevant role in the Greninja episode maybe I'll be working on it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Grimer, Misdreavus, and Absol all meet the notability requirements. As for Pansear/Panpour, only Panpour would be notable. And I think having individual articles for the two is better, it would only make sense to group them if he had all three and if there's not enough info to necessitate splitting them into three articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::Just so I understand, according to the rules, Frogadier (good thing I waited to create the page LOL) only needs one more major appearance in the anime, right? As for Panpour, well I put the monkeys page in a space that I reserved to be deleted. If you can sort this out for me, please.[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Hikaru_Wazana#Candidates_to_delete]
:::::Having no idea what Goh's role would be in an anime series based on Scarlet and Violet, I think it's best to avoid having too many pages for his Pokémon. We are going to that moment when the Pokémon that are notable are, those that are not, unfortunately, will no longer be--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Do these three pages have what it takes to go to mainspace?
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Butterfree#In_the_anime]]
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Arctozolt]]
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Taillow]]
Theoretically, they are within the rules stipulated for Goh's Pokémon.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:55, 05 May 2022 (UTC)

== RE: Goh's Dustox ==
I understand. I just assumed that since they've appeared in at least three episodes, and two of them were mainly focused on them, I thought it was notable enough to give them their own articles. I saw that Trapinch's box was removed from the "Recurring" part of Goh's Pokémon. I'll just re-add Trapinch there, since you've informed me that his page was notable enough for an article.

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 05:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Pyukumuku ==
I wanted to know if Goh's Pyukumuku is eligible to receive its own page. It had three episodes in which was somewhat prominent on, and I wonder if it's enough to earn it it's page?

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 15:41, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
:Don't just make the article after asking. Pyukumuku is notable for an article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

== Image dispute ==

There's been disagreement over at Bulbagarden Archives, with Rahl reverting several images, some multiple times, because they don't agree with the reasons given to why the current version should be used. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

== Unnecessary redirects ==

Yesterday, I removed the redirect "Unevolve", which had led to "Devolution" . Can you remove it? Also, there's a redirect page called "Literal Ghost" leading to "Ghost (literal)", even though only "Literal ghost" (with a small g) has ever been used on various talk pages. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

== Champion Pokemon ==

Hi, could [[User:Rahl/Wallace's Milotic]] and [[User:BigDocFan/Leon's Charizard]] be mainspaced? According to [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime|notability rules]], both qualify. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:Leon's Charizard has mostly just appeared in battles, so it's not notable yet. Wallace's Milotic, not too sure if opening the Wallace Cup would fall under having an impact on the plot (putting on a show in its debut appearance, doesn't), otherwise it's only other notable appearance is a battle, so that too wouldn't make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
::I'm failing to see how they aren't notable according to the rules. Both are their signature Pokémon, have done nonbattle related things (Milotic with the Wallace Cup, Charizard with the Darkest Day and JN100), have media related to more than just the anime, and have had impact on the plot (both worked as a motivation for a main character to improve/develop). What exactly is missing for them to not be mainspaced? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:27, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Am I going to hear back from you on this? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::::I see you've been editing over the past few days and am wondering if I'm going to hear back from you? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for the late response. For Milotic, I'm not sure if its role in the Wallace Cup could be considered having an impact on the arc/plot, get second opinions for this one. For Charizard, all of its role were still mostly for battles, it needs to do something that isn't it battling another Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Who should I seek out for a second opinion on Milotic? And as for Charizard, while it has mostly battled, it serves as Ash's main obstacle to overcome in Journeys, helped with the Darkest Day crisis, and had a nonbattle role in JN100 where it trained with Leon and Ash. We also know it is going to have more appearances, not to mention its role in the manga, games, TGC, and multiple other animes. I think the 'only battled' argument is keeping this a little too restrictive. Leon's Charizard clearly deserves to have a page of its own. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::You can ask anyone about the notability Milotic's role, staff member or regular user. Basically just get the general idea of what others think. For Charizard, its appearance in other media doesn't make it more notable for an anime centric article. It can appear in 100 more episodes, but if it's all just battling, then it's still not notable. Leon used it very briefly in the training and Charizard doesn't really do anything of note. It being a motivator for Ash is more about the development of Ash than it is about Charizard.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:35, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Multiple people have voiced their agreement for Milotic. Could you please move the page to the mainspace? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Saw it and felt that it kinda missed the point. Mostly the opinion is "it appeared a whole bunch, so it has to be notable" not about what it actually ''did'' in those episodes. I'll repeat what I said about Charizard, Milotic could appear in another 100 episodes but if it ''didn't do anything of note'', it still wouldn't be notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::"Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot. Elite Four members, Champions, and Frontier Brains also fall into this category." Since none of this seems to matter and we are not following them, can the notability rules be changed so this problem doesn't happen again? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::"but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in '''and''' had some impact on the plot". It has to do more than battle ''and'' what it does has to be impactful to the plot. They are not individual criteria.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Great. Milotic inspired Dawn and helped her regain her confidence in Contests. Charizard helped stop the Darkest Day and is acting as motivation for Ash in the World Series. Both impact the plot, and based on what I've seen, nobody else is arguing that these pages don't meet the criteria. This wiki is a collaborative effort, yet nothing is allowed to happen because you personally don't agree these fit the rules? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:39, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::Well, I decided to post here because Rahl asked me to put my opinion.
::The problem is that Leon's Charizard page isn't exactly anime-centric. Let's say, Pokémon Evolutions has an episode that shows a lot of Leon's relationship with Charizard, Charizard is one of Leon's most frequent Pokémon in Twilight Wings. As I said in another topic, here are some pages that just don't make sense to be in the mainspace, [[Horacio's Vikavolt|this one]], for example, wasn't even finished and it was already approved.
::As for Milotic, I think the same thing, it's a champion's signature Pokémon. The rule that" only battles don't make it a notable Pokémon" seems confusing to me, because I had about three episodes removed from the content of Goh's Farfetch'd's page because they said at the time that these battles were not remarkable to be on his page. Far from wanting to criticize, but some rules need to be reviewed and updated in my opinion. Because that ends up creating more confusion than making things easier.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Charizard is an anime centric article because the anime info is the first thing that's highlighted. Just like how [[Agatha's Gengar]] and [[Lucy's Seviper]] are manga centric articles because the manga is what is first highlighted. Evolutions and Twilight Charizard is not the same as main series Charizard, just as game/manga Charizard is not the same as anime Charizard. They're all treated as individuals and not one and the same. So whatever Evolutions Charizard does has no bearing on what main series Charizard's notability, since the former is not the focus of the article. For Vikavolt, it's Horacio's signature and had a major role in its second appearance. That's why it has an article.
:::For Milotic, it's not what it does that's not notable it's how much do people think it was impactful that would determine its notability in this case. I don't remember much of the Wallace Cup arc, so I can't say if it was really impactful to the arc. For your edits that were removed, not every battle needs to be highlighted, just the ones deemed notable. Farfetch'd battling a Gym Leader's Pokemon? notable. Farfetch'd battling a random wild Pokemon that doesn't turn out to be anything special? not notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::A Pokemon being a motivator for a character is more about the development of the character and not the overall arc. Which is what the criteria asks for. Not having an impact on a character, having an impact on an arc/plot. Charizard's involvement in Darkest Day was ultimately still a battle. Steven's Metagross is on a similar level, but is notable because it helped the characters infiltrate Team Flare's base, that's Metagross having some sort of impact on the plot (technically it was a battle, but there's a wider context).
:::The wiki is a collaborative effort, but if users aren't understanding the criteria, then staff are going to step in and make it clear what the criteria are asking for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::You said it yourself, having an impact on an arc/plot is what is important. Charizard has done that with the Darkest Day, yet for some reason battling-the major focus of Pokémon-is written off as being useless. Both of these Pokémon have a much larger role across both the anime and the franchise as a whole compared to something like Horacio's Vikavolt. Your defense for that is that it is Horacio's signature Pokémon and had a major role. So did both of these Champion's Pokémon. It makes no sense why these Pokémon have not done enough in your eyes. I suggest you change the language used for the notability rules, or at the very least find some consistency in your argument, as it is very unclear what the actual standards are. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 07:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::"Your defense for that is that it is Horacio's signature Pokémon and had a major role." A major role that wasn't just it battling another Pokemon, which Charizard's role in Darkest Day ultimately was. Metagross' role, because it's in a similar setting, was that it battled to help the main characters infiltrate Team Flare's base. Charizard battled to stop a Pokemon. It wasn't to stop Rose from furthering his plans or something. It was still a Pokémon battle, something that isn't too out of the ordinary for a franchise about battling.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:It's ridiculous that to you Charizard is only notable if it participates in something like a dance contest instead of the large amount of stuff it has already done. Even then, Milotic has done nonrelated battle things and you still say that's not important. Nothing will be, will it? If you want to go against what the rules say and the general opinion of the wiki, fine, but please update the notability rules to fit your personal ideal so nobody else ends up wasting their time. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:44, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::If Charizard was in a competition and did something that had an impact on the plot, then it would be notable. Otherwise, if it didn't do anything else and just competed/played it straight, then it still wouldn't be notable (because it didn't do anything else). You're too caught up with the idea that simply appearing and being part of a non-battle event would make it notable. It doesn't. It's what it ''does'' during the episode that matters. Vikavolt helped free the Pokemon that was captured by Team Rocket in SM119 (which was when it was mainspaced), Goh's Dewgong protected Chloe and Eevee from a Huntail in JN063 (which was when it was mainspaced), Korrina's Lucario had multiple notable non-battle appearances by the time it was approved.
::As for Milotic, I repeat again. Is what it did important enough to the overall arc? You asked on Wallace's talk page but failed to bring that up, only bringing up the notability requirements and everyone else just says yes based off it. On surface level, yes it meets the notability requirement, but notability doesn't involve just reading the requirements and going "yep, it's notable". You have to think about and assess whether what it did in those non battle episodes would make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Okay, I don't even know if I should help the discussion, but here goes. In the anime, Leon's Charizard:
* It was confirmed to be Leon's Starter Pokémon. They even showed all its evolution stages in the anime.
* It was his choice to battle in the first World Championship. In other words, it was used in a competition by Leon.
* Charizard was used to defend Leon's title (which in the context of Journeys is the same as rivals' Gym Battles). This was, for example, what served to make Bianca's Pignite page notable [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bianca%27s_Emboar&oldid=1517799]. [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Bianca%27s_Emboar#Noteworthy]. In short, it was used by Leon in the current WCS season.
* In the context of Darkest Day:
** Leon used Charizard to defeat Centiscorch and save Ash and his Pokémon.
** Leon used Charizard as a means of locomotion and to defeat the Coalossal. In other words, he used it for something other than battle.
** It was used against Eternatus, which according to Leon himself showed that he is not the most powerful Trainer in the world yet as he said in [[JN100]]. In other words, this battle (and defeat) is part of Leon's arc in Journeys.
* [[JN100]], if we ignore the battle against Flint (which again, we can consider as the Gym battles of old), Charizard was used in Leon's flying training
Now to the rules:
* '''''For rival characters and other recurring characters, only their signature Pokémon may have an article created about them.'''''Charizard is Leon's signature Pokémon. '''CHECK'''
* '''''If a rival's signature Pokémon does nothing more than battle or has no major impact on the plot, then it is not notable for an article and instead should have a section on its Trainer's page.''''' The Coalossal case, Charizard did not battle. Leon's Training did not involve battles. '''CHECK'''(!?!)
* '''''Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot. Examples would be Blaine's Magmar, which saved the Cinnabar Gym and developed Charizard's personality, or Clair's Dragonair, which helped save the Dragon Kingdom. Elite Four members, Champions, and Frontier Brains also fall into this category.''''' Leon's battle against Ash, served to show the concepts of Gigantamax to Ash. Leon's battle against Raihan served to work out the history of the rivalry between the two Trainers. '''CHECK'''
We can spend months discussing this, but the truth is that this is just looking like a matter of conflicting points of view. To me, this seems very much to fall into the problem that the pages are based on most of Ash's relationship with other characters and not his own stories. Even though Ash is the protagonist, it's been a long time since the anime revolves around him and the rules didn't adapt to that(Goh is probably the biggest proof of that). Hence we have to expect that a Pokémon like Charizard has to have some impact on the plot of a technically unrelated character like Ash. Well, I think I elongated too much in the text I put here. I hope it resolves the discussion somehow.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:I want to swing back to this and point out that if [[Miette's Slurpuff]] is good enough for to be mainspaced than so should the other two, or are we really saying participating in a dance party is more relevant than anything else? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::You clearly do not get it. If Charizard (and Leon) were to compete in a race (with Ash and Goh), then something happened to Ash and Goh. If Leon doesn't have Charizard go look for Ash and Goh, and just competes in the race from start to finish (therefore unseen for a chunk of the episode), then '''''it still would not be notable'''''. Just competing is not what would make it notable.
::The only non-battle thing Charizard did is the training. Which it didn't even do much. What can you really say? Oooooooh, it smashed a few rocks and flew through a waterfall. Wow. Riveting. Fantastic read, can sum it all up in one sentence.
::For Milotic, again, you didn't ask others the important factor; how much of what it did was notable. Nobody on Wallace's talk page took that to account. They just saw the notability requirements and went "yep, it meets everything here" without actually thinking about what it actually did in the Wallace Cup arc and evaluating whether it did makes it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
:::So, based on these criteria, even if Leon uses Charizard throughout the 8 Masters tournament campaign, we doesn't have the go-ahead to use this page. Leon's page in the anime, I had to adapt and look for alternatives in the manga section to be standardized precisely because this page doesn't exist. Leon's page in games has a huge infobox with very disproportionate little information precisely because of the lack of this page in the Adventures section;
:::Even if we are to cling to "all Pokémon X did was battle", more than half of the Pokémon of some rivals will have either undone. From Trip's Serperior, Gary's Arcanine/Gary's Electivire, Paul's Honchkrow to Georgia's Beartic. And I don't think there is much doubt about the importance of this Pokémon in some way. The ironic part of it all is that Leon's Charizard had more space in the anime than Pokemon like Lance's Dragonite, for example. About Milotic I confess that I don't even give an opinion anymore, with all this arm wrestling involving Charizard.
:::I have a vision of a certain reformulation that should be in the Anime section and with the Adventures manga (which is the manga with the longest defined chronology released) but I'm even afraid to give it.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::::To say Miette's Slurpuff has more notability or value than Leon's Charizard is an odd choice and one that doesn't hold up when looking at either page or the importance of those Pokémon. Force Fire, please rewrite the rules to fit your mindset so users know what they are getting into. I don't even care if they make sense-they don't-but at least then we have a written process to follow. Your views and what the rules say don't match up as of now. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::Again, you're '''not''' listening. Miette's Slurpuff did stuff outside of the Poke Contest stuff in its debut episode. Leon's Charizard has ''not'' done anything outside of battling in it's non battle episodes and its battle-focus episodes. Because that's what the notability requirements is asking for: "but only if it did '''''more than just battle''''' in the episode(s) it appeared in". As in, it needs to do something else other than showing up in a battle. Because it's Pokemon. Battling is the central point of the series. It's what it do. We're not going to have an article that is just "X battled in episode Y" over and over. It's not going to make for an interesting read.
:::::And it '''also''' needs to have an impact on the plot. If Charizard battles and wins, then that's not having that much of an impact. Wow. It won. Who knew something would ''win'' a series about battling. If the battle was interrupted and Charizard helped get rid of whatever is interrupting the battle, then yes, that would be having an impact on the episode. Because it did more than just battle its intended opponent.
:::::As for the articles Hikaru Wazana brought up, 3/5 of them were created before we got stricter with notability. Gary's Arcanine is fine as it helped stop Team Rocket in Extreme Pokemon! Gary's Electivire is fine as it help protect Shieldon from J and attempted to stop Saturn from taking one of the lake guardians. For Trip's Serperior and Georgia's Beartic, both were approved by the Head of Anime at the time of their move to the mainspace. So I'll assume there was a good reason for their existence.
:::::I'm not trying to manipulate to criteria, I'm just following how the criteria has been interpreted over the years. And sometimes, that interpretation either gets stricter or more lenient. I'm not pulling all this out of thin air. There is no need to re-write the criteria just because you can't understand them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::I don't claim to be an expert on this or anything, but we have a page for [[Skyla's Swanna]], for example. Should that page then be removed from the mainspace for the same reason that Leon's Charizard is not notable since it's only been in battles as far as plot relevance goes? Because if Skyla's Swanna is notable enough for its own page while Leon's Charizard isn't, I'm curious as to why that might be. I'm sorry if this line of conversation is tiring you out. I won't say anything more if you're bothered by it. '''[[User:Dougbro1|Dougbro1]]''' ([[User talk:Dougbro1|Talk]]) 18:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

== Jiliang ==

Jiliang has already returned to adding dubious trivia to pages, along with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3518678&oldid=3508003 trivia that had already been removed multiple times]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
:I've given them a semi block, and a stern message, effectively forcing them to respond on their talk page or risk a full block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3538443&oldid=3518766 They've once again re-added the removed trivia back to AG128], along with once again adding more non-noteworthy trivia to other pages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:40, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
:::There's only so many chances I can give them, so I've given them a lengthy block. If they return and continue, then they'll be gone for good.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Rivals? ==

Do Bea and Raihan count as rivals in a sense that major events should include their new Pokémon? I'm assuming yes for Bea, but I'm not 10% sure regarding Raihan. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:40, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Pokemon of notable rivals get mentioned only if they have articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::By this, do you mean the "Major events" section or the "Pokémon debuts" section? After looking through episode pages from the original series all the way up to Journeys, it definitely appears to be standard to list new Pokémon for rivals in the "Major events" section, regardless of whether or not they have a page (and only their Pokémon with pages are listed in the "Pokémon debuts" section). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Huh, that does seem to be the case after checking a few episodes of rivals obtaining new Pokemon (that I could remember at least), PMJ is right. As for Raihan, I think his 'mon are fine to be mentioned, as does have a major role.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== Can you fix my name please? ==

Hi, I just signed up to edit here, but I made a mistake in typing my username. I meant it to be ApexAgunomu. Can you please change my name to that? Thank you. [[User:ApexAgunomi|ApexAgunomi]] ([[User talk:ApexAgunomi|talk]]) 11:07, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
:Due to technical issues with the rename function we use, it is not possible to rename users at this time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::Then can you please block this account so I can make a new one with the correct name? Would that be okay? [[User:ApexAgunomi|ApexAgunomi]] ([[User talk:ApexAgunomi|talk]]) 16:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== {{template|Pokelist}} ==

The link you recently added to that template should have "GO" instead of "Go" (mind the letter case) as the displayed text. Will you fix it? Thanks. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lucario ==

So we both edit war and I get blocked, but you get away with no consequences and the page turns out how you want because you’re a special admin and nobody but you is ever right. How about you take it to a talk page for once like you’re always preaching. Hypocritical and childish. [[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you 100% Pikablu. ForceFire targets me this way too. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 06:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

== "Trainers start their journey at 10." ==

This is something that's only ever been stated in the anime. Red, Hilbert/Hilda, Elio/Selene, and Rei/Akari are all older than 10, for example (and no other game protagonist has ever explicitly been confirmed to be 10). The only games to mention a starting age at all are the Alola games, where you have to be 11 to take the island challenge. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:From what I can tell, this was because the protagonists prior to Generation V were "10 or 11 years old" according to Ken Sugimori. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah, but that would still mean that they're not explicitly confirmed 10 (and the fact that the Alola games are the only games to mention a starting age is still true as well). Hilbert/Hilda, ORAS Brendan/May, and Rei/Akari are all older than 10/11, too. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::But from what I see on his article, Red is said to be 10 in the European release. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Assuming that's true, the Japanese release should take priority over both the American and European releases, although I actually don't know if it's ever been explicitly stated there. Even then, it only adds to my point of players not being explicitly confirmed as 10, given that the American release for the same game states that he's 11. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::Given Sugimori said "10 OR 11" in that interview, it's more of an "either" situation, meaning the Gens I-IV protagonists are either 10 or 11 years old. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::This would still mean that no protagonist has ever been explicitly confirmed to be 10 even prior to Gen V. If anything, it makes 11 just as likely of a starting age, if not even more so.
::::::Given that there have been protagonists that have started as teenagers (Hilbert/Hilda and Rei/Akari being confirmed cases, although Calem/Serena are probably in that range too), I would definitely not put an age for Victor/Gloria if nothing has been stated. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Funny that you mention Rei/Akari when ForceFire, a beuracrat mind you, has rejected the source on their article several times, as an NPC guessing the player's age is, in his words, "not confirmation". [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Interesting. That definitely feels inconsistent since Victor/Gloria don't even have that going for them. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::I wasn't using that to talk about Victor/Gloria. I was bringing it up due to the edit warring it caused. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
My points are simply that:

1. "Trainers start their journey at 10" is something that's only stated in the anime.

2. No protagonist has ever been outright confirmed to be 10 (even the Sugimori interview only stated that the protagonists prior to Gen V were 10/11 without naming specific cases), with Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15, ORAS Brendan/May being 12, Elio/Selene being 11, and Rei/Akari being "15 or so".

3. The same logic that was used on the Rei/Akari pages in the past (even though those pages do list their ages now) should be applied to a greater extent for Victor/Gloria, especially since no ages have even been ''hinted'' at officially. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:1. We all know that.

2. I never said the Gens I-IV protagsbwere 10, only 10 OR 11.

3. The logic used for Rei/Akari should still apply to their articles, especially since the quote was repeatedly deemed unreliable by a higher staff. And yes, I KNOW thay Victor/Gloria have no hints towards an official age. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::I don't mind whether or not it's removed from the Rei/Akari pages or not. I just find it inconsistent, especially since it was the same higher staff member. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::If anything, it should be removed from the Rei/Akari articles as in the context of the dialogue, Cyllene was ''assuming'' the player's age, meaning that their actual age is unknown. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 22:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}For the "trainers start their journeys at 10" bit. Could've sworn that was the case in the games as well, specifically in Gen I related materials (like a guidebook or something), may be misremembering. As for Rei/Akari, I still don't think it's solid confirmation as Cyllene is just guessing. That should be removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Brendan/May from Ruby and Sapphire actually look younger than 10, at 7 or 8. Additionally, in LGPE the progagonists appear to be even younger, like 5 or 6, and same goes for Sword and Shield.
Are we TOTALLY SURE that it's a given rule that a trainer has to be 10 to start?! [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 21:23, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
:Uh, what? How do RSE Brendan/May and Victor/Gloria look any visibly younger than Red/Leaf/Ethan/Kris/Lyra/Lucas/Dawn/Elio/Selene? Their artwork shows that they're roughly as tall as them, and there are kids in every game that are clearly younger than the protagonists (and I would peg those kids as being in the 6-8 range instead). In any case, I've already shown that it's not a constant rule in the games for the protagonists to be 10 (as seen with Hilbert/Hilda, ORAS Brendan/May, and Elio/Selene, who are all confirmed to be older). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

== Beelzemon 2003 ==

[[User talk:Beelzemon 2003|Beelzemon 2003]] has made excessively long descriptions of event item distributions in the event item articles like the Eon Ticket and MysticTicket, involving details and images unrelated to the items themselves, mostly describing the gatherings where the items were distributed. I've removed the texts unrelated to the items themselves and tried to tell them not to do it again, but they still did it again afterwards. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

== [[Coin (TCG)]] ==

Maverick Nate is no longer the Head of TCG, however, glik, nuva-kal and Ruixiang95 are. Talking to you to prevent edit warring. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 17:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
:The fact that you listed those three names shows that you don't actually know what "Head of TCG" means. Glik is the head of TCG, not the other two.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

== Alec ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana/Alec]]

Is everything ok to transfer this page to mainspace? I moved to my personal space to be able to work better on it, but I already put everything that was missing. [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 00:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
:Looks fine, I've mainspaced it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Miette's Slurpuff ==

How you feeling about this [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Miette's Slurpuff|page]] being mainspaced? It did nonbattle stuff after all. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
:IT does meet the notability requirements, I've mainspaced it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::I recall requesting mainspacing that article in the past, but it was rejected back them. Have the notability requirements changed since then? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
:::You requested it at least once on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Force_Fire/Archive_11#Mainspacing_suggestion April 14, 2020], and the criteria changed on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia:Manual_of_style/Anime&diff=next&oldid=3223681 August 22, 2020]. I'm not sure that's specifically what changed but just thought I'd point it out. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::::With Miette owning a Pokemon with its own page and a second Pokemon, can Miette get her own Pokemon template--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::With Slurpuff, and by extension Miette, being unlikely to appear again, I chose to re-evaluate it based off the one appearance it did have some impact, and decided what it did in that episode was notable enough. Ideally, I would like it to do more in just its debut episode, but given it's unlikely to appear again, thought I'd be a bit lenient with it.
:::::As for giving Miette her own Pokemon template, [[Category talk:Trainer's Pokémon templates|the rule]] states that a character needs at least two of their Pokemon have articles, not that they own two or more Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::Makes sense. Thank you for the explanation. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

== Unblock request ==

I humbly ask if there's a possibility to bring me back my privileges on editing the Nintendo Switch and creation trio pages. Finally, once I get my privileges on editing the Nintendo Switch and creation trio pages back, I will prove to you that I will be responsible with those pages in the future by discussing a major change, so as to avoid edit warring. --[[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 19:38, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

==Lillie's Magearna==
I was wondering whether User:Samueljoo/Lillie's Magearna might be ready to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 18:45, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

== Possible to merge accounts? ==

I used to work here as [[User talk:Croconaw2000|Croconaw2000]], but I deleted the email a long time ago and don’t remember the password, so I was completely unable to log back in. Would it be possible to merge the two accounts in some way, or redirect the old account into this one?

Also, if MarioWiki says that Wartortle has the same Chinese name as {{smw|Kooper}}, why shouldn’t we note it ourselves?

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]])
:... users are only allowed one account per person, but I'll allow this instance. It is not possible to merge accounts, and I don't think it's necessary to redirect the old one. And we're not MarioWiki. It may be notable there, but it's not notable here.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn’t have made a new account if I could log back into the old one. I had also asked on the bulbapedia discord if it was possible to change the email or password and they suggested creating a new account

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]])

== Move template ==

Do you think the {{template|anmov}} template could be used for Z-Moves and Max Moves. I feel having the description of those moves on the Pokémon's article is unnecessary, given that, unlike improvised moves, they have move pages to house their move descriptions. They could definitely still remain under separate subheaders in the "Moves used" section, but the current format doesn't fit them IMO. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I feel having the same move descriptions on the Pokémon's page kind of defeats the purpose of having a separate page to house those descriptions, specifically the movie's own article. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::That's something I've also thought about as well, the descriptions aren't really needed as those are already explained on the individual move articles. The base move being used for the Z-move is probably the only important part, I think, so a re-tweaked version of the current move template to accommodate that would be good.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Sounds good. Can I convert the templates if we use the tooltips template to identify the base move(s) until the tweaked template is ready?.--[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::::As in, in a similar way that, say, Mimicked moves have tooltips to tell which they were copied from, except this time, they're used to identify the base move(s). --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'd be okay for that to be a temporary solution. As for the tweaked template, shouldn't be too difficult to get that done, thinking of simply adding another column to it, [[User:Force_Fire/Template:Anzmov/h|like]] [[User:Force_Fire/Template:Anzmov|so]]. Don't think I need to tweak the footer of the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. I'll start editing the move lists. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 21:16, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== First visits to a region ==

Do the first visits to a region from characters other than the Journeys main trio count as major events? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:For former main characters, yes. I believe we also note when Misty and Brock travelled to Alola in the major events section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::So only important when it is a main character?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes. They were at one point main characters, that makes them important enough.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::And so we're clear, because I know what you're trying to do, the focus here is former main characters not Chloe or other supporting characters. Different rules for different characters.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Wait, so it’s important if this is their first series or if they were a main character? Is that what you’re saying?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::If Brock and Misty were to go to Galar for the first time, then that would be noted in the major events section as they are important characters (being former main characters). If Shamus or Montgomery were to go to Galar for the first time, then they would not be noted in the major events section as they were not a main characters. Not that hard to understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I don’t need the sass, I just wanted clarity, which you didn’t even do. Is it important to mention if this is their first series, say Ren or Danika?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:Just wanted to be sure. Thanks, FF. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lana's Lapras ==
Assuming it even matters, [[User:Playerking95/Lana's Poké Ride Lapras|this page]] meets [[Bulbapedia:Manual_of_style/Anime#Notability_requirements|Notability requirements]]. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 23:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
:So I see you've answered multiple other comments on your talk page. Could you please answer this one as well? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

== This pointless edit war has to end once and for all ==

Hello, I see that you noticed the edits I made last week, I explained my case on my talkpage but unfortunately never got a reply on there. In summary, this whole situation about characters' ages has got out of control, I've come to a conclusion that no matter how much I try helping this situation, I definitely can't do it all by myself. I haven't got the opportunity to reach a clear consensus about the subject with a Staff Member since I never got a reply but since it seems you're interested in this, I definitely have to inform you that this case has to finally come to an end.

I feel like I have to explain this whole situation to you so you can know in depth what all of this is about, there's this user called [[User_talk:Inkster|Inkster]], who you may recognize, who made an edit on March 29th to multiple articles related to player characters (these being Ethan's, Kris', Lyra's, Lucas' and Dawn's) where they added a piece of information related to their age, which have, for years, never been revealed and it also seems that throughout the entire existence of these character's articles there has never been an important version that specified any age either.

The source they quoted came to public knowledge in 2011, meaning that throughout this entire time, information about some of the characters' age has never been added to the site and if it would have been relevant information the characters' respective articles would have had the information on them for years like how Hilbert's and Hilda's articles have had their confirmed age on their articles for years.

Besides that, there's definitely a problem with the source, you see, what they're trying to use as the reference that supposedly confirms an age is Nintendo DREAM (ニンテンドードリーム) 2011年 01月号 [雑誌] where there was published an interview regarding to the art development of Pokémon Black & White, what this means is that they're using information about Pokémon Black and White that certainly has nothing to do with characters from games like HeartGold or Diamond, of course you wouldn't expect any information to be revealed that isn't about the newest games at the time (Black & White) and unsurpisingly that's exactly the case, all of what is written on there is about Pokémon Black and White.

The reason why they quoted that magazine, however, is because of a brief comment by Ken Sugimori which roughly mentions something like Hilbert and Hilda were designed to look older than ten or eleven-year-olds unlike previous game characters, the source that they quoted is in fact, '''a translation of the magazine''' that states quote, unquote "So this time we received orders from Masuda to increase the ages of Black & White’s protagonists, to make them older than the 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games" and that is the only time it is mentioned any age regarding to previous characters.

I have to add that the term 10 or 11 year old to refer to pokémon player characters has been vastly used by a really big amount of people, this includes pretty much every player character even if their age has already been revealed. Why this term is so popular is mostly because of the anime, in which they never got tired to mention that trainers start a journey with pokémon since the age of 10, something that in the games (which is where the characters they're trying to show an age come from) has never been mentioned and let's not forget that before Black and White, the only player character that actually had a confirmed age was Red, who is 11 in Red and Blue. What this means is that 10 or 11 year old is clearly just a term to refer to any game player character rather than a confirmed age, and in this case, there was never an age that was explicitly revealed, making the source completely meaningless, 10 or 11 is just a starting age at best.

As you probably can tell, this short quote not only doesn't include any strong confirmation regarding to previous player characters' ages, in fact the interview doesn't even mention a clear age for Hilbert or Hilda, but Inkster is trying to show like if that quote is somehow factual information. Many users have already doubted the idea of adding an age to those articles out of that quote, the article versions that include this have been reverted on multiple occasions since it could be considered just as an assumption that goes against the speculation policy and could even be considered as vandalism since it is misinformation.

But then there's the edit war, instead of trying to allow time for a discussion so this subject can reach a clear consensus or even wait until that information is authorized to be part of the article, the user [[User:Team_Rocket_Grunt|Team Rocket Grunt]] has been constantly reverting edits to Inkster's only because of their own perception with comments like "I think it (Sugimori's meaningless quote) does (confirm an age)" I think you've already noticed it the day I was contributing to Lucas' and Dawn's articles.

I've been doing some research about this subject and I found out that both Inkster and Team Rocket Grunt have had quite an interesting story to say the least, which I find relevant to this case and I'll share right away.

'''Inkster:''' This user apparently has something with the research of characters' age, looking at many articles, they've been responsible of editing the age section of many of the player characters, a small case I'd bring up is that they added Red's age from Red and Blue to Leaf's page with the excuse of "presumably Leaf has the same age that Red had in Red & Blue" yet they still add the "10-11" age to both Brendan's and May's articles by stating that that's the age they had in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald besides Brendan and May having a confirmed age, being 12, that was confirmed in the Ruby and Sapphire remakes, their excuse was, quote, unquote "Y'know, I think this information also applies to RSE Brendan and May, considering the whole multiverse thing and ORAS being seperate from RSE." For me this has no sense, if they're going to add different ages to characters based on their game, at least be consistent.

But this isn't the case that hurts the most, in Rei's and Akari's articles, Inkster was responsible of removing those two characters' ages, which previously was stated that they were 15. The reason for Inkster to remove that information, which not only was mentioned on the actual game, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, was simply because that age was mentioned by a NPC as an assumption of Rei/Akari's age so they can be part of the Survey Corps where it seems that the minimum age to be a Survey Corps member was at least 15, not to mention that no matter the character the player decides to play as, the character's counterpart would also appear on the game as another member of the Survey Corps, something that they weren't considering when editing those articles' trivia. I'd have been fine if Rei's/Akari's article didn't include any age if it wasn't for the fact that an age related to them is way clearer since that information is in the game and it actually hints something where for our current case, there isn't really anything but misinformation.

'''Team Rocket Grunt:''' It seems that you've had already somewhat of a problematic story with this user before so I suppose I shouldn't elaborate that much on explaining what's going on with this user so to put it briefly, this is a user who doesn't like to defend their point at the slightliest, they've always been reverting edits only because they disagree with previous edits and is someone who likes to assume that what they think is correct is a fact. But there's definitely something that you may not know and sums up this entire case perfectly.

A Staff Member from the Editorial Board, glik, declined Inkster's assumption on the player characters being either ten or eleven year olds, explicitly mentioning that their source DOESN'T CONFIRM ANYTHING, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ethan_%28game%29&type=revision&diff=3509642&oldid=3501915 Team Rocket Grunt had the audacity to revert glik's edit so that it can have Inkster's original edit that includes the 10/11 year old age.] By the way, when Inkster removed Rei's/Akari's age from their respective articles, they, being completely self-aware (since I have discussed with them previously) wrote "This was declined from both articles by a bereaucrat who has stated twice that the dialogue listed does not confirm anything." I am out of words, I apologize in advance for the trouble that something like an age has unleashed, I really find this whole situation completely ridiculous but I hope you take actions on this, you're the only one who I can recur to at this point.--[[User:Kynn|Kynn]] ([[User talk:Kynn|talk]]) 01:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding player character ages, some people (while not officially correctly) will assume a player character's age based on how they look or what else they have heard about the character. For example, May in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald looks like she is 7 years old to me, and another example being Lucas from Platinum seems 10 or 11.

That said, there are a few players with officially confirmed ages; Red is 11 and Elio/Selene is also 11 as stated in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 18:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Ruby_Sapphire_May.png RSE May] looks exactly the same as [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:May_AG.png her anime counterpart] (who is confirmed to be 10 there)... Sure, we don't know RSE May's exact age, but I have no idea why you believe she looks to be 7 years old, especially since there are clearly children that are shorter than her in RSE. 10/11 is very much a believable age range for her.

:Additionally, Red's age appears to be somewhat debatable. He's stated to be 11 in the American instruction manual, yet he's stated to be 10 in the European instruction manual instead; I'm not sure if his age has ever been stated in Japan (but it would certainly be the most accurate age if it was).

:In any case, I do kinda agree that the magazine shouldn't really be used as decisive proof of the ages for the protagonists (especially since Brendan/May are now listed with conflicting ages). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:: I'm late, but honestly we shouldn't take 'it looks like it was (a certain age)'as an official age, under that logic I would say that, for example, Calem and Serena look like if they were 17 but their manga counterparts are 5 years younger than that, I'm pretty sure no one, except for the users I mentioned, think that 10/11 is a confirmed age for those characters, it just spreads misinformation because you're making others think that they actually have a confirmed age when they clearly don't.

:: I honestly don't know how this is still an issue considering that glik clearly denied the information they keep adding so Force Fire, if you're reading this, I kindly ask that those characters' articles don't show any age, at least until there's a consensus about the situation. {{unsigned|Kynn}}

:Thought I'd make it clear that I blocked you on the grounds of the passive aggressive edits you made, and not whether I agree or disagree with the addition of the ages. I can see why Inkster and TRG would think the quote hints at the ages of pre-Gen V protagonists, yet the wording does seem to be too generalized and the two seem a little too eager to say Sugimori's referring to those characters specifically. So, I also don't think it counts as confirmation, wording is too generalized to make a judgement on the pre-Gen V protagonist's ages.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::Don't worry about it, as I wrote it on my talkpage, I felt that I had to take that route because it seemed like if no-one was actually checking CharacterDex frequently and I couldn't have known otherwise if I didn't do those edits, the edit war was just very evident to me so I found weird that very few users noticed it. Again, I want to apologize if my edits seemed rude from my part, I'll make sure to remove the age from those articles and I hope that next time there'll be a proper discussion related to these kind of topics before adding them to articles.--[[User:Kynn|''Kyn ~'']] 14:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Just so you know, that interview was from when Gen V released and showed the previous protagonists, so it was obvious that Sugimori referred to games prior to Gen V. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 14:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Listen, I'm pretty sure you actually had no bad intentions on researching information for those articles but I feel like you should've contacted someone else before adding it and causing so much trouble. {{unsigned|Kynn}}
:::::Inkster, do you have proof that the book showed previous protagonists in relation to that quote, or are you saying that because Dr. Lava put stock images of the previous protagonists on their article? If it's the latter, then... that's clearly not indicative of the content of the book. It's not like that image is scanned directly from the book itself. You're far too eager to put a number to a character without taking the context of the quote. The quote seemed more a general "we were told to make them older than what we usually do" not "we were told to make the protagonists older that the previous ones, who are 10-11".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::With you logic, than wouldn't that mean the protagonists are usually 10 or 11 years old? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::It's a generic statement, not an explicit one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::The [[player character]] article sourced that interview in that context that the quote implies the protagonists are usually 10 or 11 ("They are usually 10 or 11 years old"). [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::The exact quote is ''Sugimori: “So this time we received orders from Masuda to increase the ages of Black & White’s protagonists, to make them older than the 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games.”''. It does refer to the previous protagonists. I don't believe we, as a wiki, are supposed to decide what age of a character is more correct or not. I think we should just put all the factual data on the page and let the readers interpret however they want, that's how we won't ever spread any misinformation. Saying we know ''nothing'' isn't accurate if we there exist such quote.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::Exactly because this is a wiki, there shouldn't be added any information that suggests interpretation and it's not factual, it's just a generalization rather than a confirmed age, I'm aware that a bulbapedia guideline wants to have the most amount of information in the articles as possible but that doesn't mean that every single quote made by GAME FREAK should be added on an article, it has to be relevant if there should be one. {{unsigned|Kynn}}
:::::::::::But wouldn't that Sugimori said be relevant? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::The way I see it is that, if information that is actually in a game isn't going to be considered then it has way less sense to add such a quote like this one and yes, I'm referring to Rei's and Akari's articles, as I wrote I'm fine with those not showing an age but why wouldn't they show the age that they hinted in the actual game but those other characters' articles do show an age when its source is far more recherche. {{unsigned|Kynn}}

:::::::::::::Also, I still think that the quote berely confirms something--[[User:Kynn|''Kyn ~'']] 15:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I tried to edit May's page because even if she ain't seven like I think for RSE she has to be at least 10 but clearly isn't 12. ORAS May looks like she has actually gone through puberty a little but RSE May looks like she is still very young, like under 11. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 02:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
:It has already been explained to you that appearances do no matter when it comes to confirming the ages of characters. Only textual evidence or confirmation from an official source can be used to determine the age of characters. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 03:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

:So, I think we can bring back Sugimori's quote about protagonists' age. Kynn doesn't think we can use information outside the games, but that's not how it's done here.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 12:04, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
::The quote doesn't say that ''all'' of the previous protagonists were 10 or 11. Additionally, Brendan/May's age in ORAS contradicts this quote as well. Even if those remakes came out after this quote, it seems strange to list two different ages for what is basically the same game. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Pokemon universe doesn't have consistent timeline nor character ages. It's fine if character has two different ages depending on the game, especially in case of ORAS which is implied to be from different timeline. Again, we DO NOT decide what's canon and what's not, we just get all the information and present it to the readers. And the quote does talk about all previous protagonists.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 11:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::::"''And the quote does talk about all previous protagonists.''"
::::This is just how you're choosing to interpret it. Saying "The 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games" is not the same as saying "the 10 or 11 year olds we used in '''all''' of the previous games (if it was the latter, I would agree with you). For all we know, he was referring to Red/Leaf (who are confirmed to be 10/11) and the Gen 2 and/or 4 protagonists. The quote is up for interpretation, which is why it can't be used as solid evidence. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Precisely, it's a vague, generalized quote that doesn't go into specific. Again, users are all too eager to add a number whenever it shows up.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::The most straightforward interpretation is that they all were 10 or 11. His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits. Ignoring it is not a good way to deal with it. His quote still should be mentioned in the age section of these character's infoboxes.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 10:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::"''The most straightforward interpretation is that they all were 10 or 11.''"
:::::::A straightforward interpretation is still an interpretation.
:::::::"''His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits.''"
:::::::Again, it's really more of a generalization. Maybe Brendan/May were 12, but the other protagonists were 10/11, in which case the quote would still make sense; 12 would not make them significantly older than the other protagonists. Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15 is far more noticeable, hence why he noted it in the first place. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::You're forgetting that I never originally added what he said to Brendan/May's articles, as they were already confirmed to be 12.[[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::And by "confirmed" I mean retconned. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
A "retcon" for what already seemed to be mostly a generalization (again, he never said ''all'' of the prior protagonists were 10/11) feels more like that statement shouldn't be taken entirely at face value. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
{{Indent}} I never said that, he only said "older than the 10 or 11 year-olds we used in ''previous games''" (note this interview was from when Gen V released), which ''suggests'' the Gen II and IV PCs were also within that age range. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 00:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:I'm aware of when the interview took place and I did I mention above that this was a possibility, yes. I was mainly stating that I'm not comfortable with listing the statement as hard confirmation of their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
::If it isn't considered hard confirmation, is there anything against listing them as "''about'' 10/11"? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 01:21, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::'''PokemonMasterJamal3''': Brendan and May weren't stated to be 12 at that time. I'm not saying you're supposed to believe in 100% they are that age, I'm saying it has to be noted that they all were described to be that age, otherwise it's dictating what people should think and gatekeeping the information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 22:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
::::The word "all" was never stated by Sugimori, which is what I'm trying to emphasize here. I'm not stating the info is useless or anything, I'm just saying I don't think it's concrete enough to list as their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 23:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Bottom line, ForceFire declined it, so they had the final word on this matter. It doesn't confirm anything and that's final. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::It's still the straightforward sense of this sentence, he would need to add exeptions if he wanted us to know it's not about all of them. Adding the age to the page doesn't make it universal fact it just means they were meant to be that age at some point, different games still could retcon the age multiple times. I just want us to report all what we know and not gatekeep information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 17:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

== New Pokemon Infobox ==

Since we have a few new Pokemon today, I have an opportunity to make a suggestion. When a new Pokemon is revealed we don't know a lot of information about it which makes the infoboxes full of "Unknown" labels and the navbox on the top of the page is completely useless. I think it could be better to have a simplified version of these infoboxes to show what we know and what we're supposed to know. I made an example here: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/New_Pok%C3%A9mon_Infobox]. I think it would look more professional and complete and also, it would help keep track of all revealed Pokemon and connect their pages for better navigation, because the page "List of Pokemon by national dex" is protected, rarely updated, and it doesn't show images.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:Saw it when it was made. Instantly didn't think it was necessary. No need to fix what isn't broken. There being "unknown" in the infobox is something that can't be helped when there's new Pokemon. Same with the navbox being "useless", that's just natural for a new Pokemon article to not have much. There's also no need to have the other new Pokemon shown in the navbox, it just clogs up the article and makes it look unsightly. If people wanted to know what the other new Pokemon are, they can, you know, browse the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:Nonetheless, I hope the staff will like this idea and not disregard it instantly.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokémon template ==
Can you fix your edit to the Legendary Pokémon template so a line is separating gen 8 and gen 9?--[[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 17:11, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Image debuts ==

Lusamine, Gladion, Mohn, and Professor Magnolia were all listed as picture debuts for those respective episodes, and the episodes where they physically debuted (or in Mohn's case, first appeared in a flashback) were also listed as in person debuts. There are probably more examples of this, too. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:While the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Pokémon appearances and debuts|anime manual of style]] only notes Pokemon, I think it makes sense to count human characters in the rule as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::What's the ruling on flashbacks? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::Additionally, what's the ruling on fantasy appearances? Professor Cerise's first appearance is listed as JN001 on his page, even though it was only a fantasy appearance. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I think it's a similar ruling to Pokemon (even though it's not written down), fantasies don't count as debuts while flashbacks do (and the debut would probably count twice, once for the flashback and once for the in-person appearance).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Since it's a somewhat relevant topic, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category_talk:Episodes_in_which_a_Champion_appears I posted something about Champion appearances a while back]. Do you have an opinion on this? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 16:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::That category should only count physical appearance, imo. Having fantasies/flashbacks/photos count feels like it's just bloating the category with minor appearances (though one could argue there are important flashbacks that drive the plot, so that's probably something to consider).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== MinnieG again ==

I've posted about them before, but MinnieG's edits are starting to become a bit of an issue.

They usually contain some mixture of:
# Poor grammar/awkward wording (which will often overwrite perfectly fine edits prior to it). It doesn't help that these tend to be fairly lengthy edits.
# A tendency to focus too heavily on generic character relationship aspects, such as saying that a protagonist is protective/supportive of their friends... which is a trait that every single protagonist shares (making it far from unique).
# Related to point 2, most of their edits in the "Character" section of protagonists' pages are almost exactly the same structure-wise. For example:

"Lillie at times has shown to lose her composure when pushed into a wall, becoming depresses and unsure of herself. However, Lillie manages to pick herself back up through her friends support and encouragement, which inspired her to not give up. This is shown when she decided to put an end to her fear of touching Pokémon in ''Mission: Total Recall!'' and perfecting Subzero Slammer with Snowy in ''Chasing Memories, Creating Dreams!'' because of her resolve."

"In addition, Mallow has shown to lose her composer when pushed to the side, as she would doubt herself. However, Mallow would pick herself back up through the help of her friends. This is shown when made a meal for Tapu Koko while working at Oranguru's place in ''A Recipe for Success!'' and perfected Bloom Doom with Tsarrena during her battle with Lana at the Alola Pokémon League in ''Battling Besties!'' because of her resolve." [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 20:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

:MinnieG's a user that I've kept an eye on from time to time, the way they edit is quite familiar, but I unfortunately can't do a check on them. Their repetitive edits can seem jarring, and really the only way they can stop is if the improve on their grammar, make better judgement on what is notable, and be a bit more creative with their sentences.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Deletion of "Old Verses" ==

I explained it on {{ut|Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles's talk page}}, but you think that redirect is fine. If yes, then why? Redirects for plurals are discouraged because of the way MediaWiki links work: <code><nowiki>[[Old Verse]]s</nowiki></code> gives [[Old Verse]]s. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 08:39, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:Since when has redirects for plurals been discouraged? We have [[moves]] and [[signature moves]] and [[abilities]] and plenty others. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:50, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
::Some exist (and are encouraged) due to ''irregular'' plurals, such as [[abilities]] (singular is ''ability'', note the change: -y → -ie- + -s), but you might think the [[moves]] and [[signature moves]] redirects exist rather for search reasons? --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 09:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes, plural links are good for search purposes. There is more than one Old Verse, so people are likely to search "Old Verses" searching for information about the Old Verse Key Items. And for irregular plurals, we have link templates for many of those such as {{Berries}} and {{Abilities}}. But we still have a redirect because it is useful for search purposes. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 09:13, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

==Mega Anime Move Boxes==
I was wondering if we could create a seperate anime move box for Pokemon in the anime that have mega evolved like we have for those who use Z-Moves, Dynamax and Gygantamax, for example
{{anmov/h|fighting|steel|Ash Mega Lucario {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0=Aura Sphere|1=Force Palm|2=Steel Beam|3=Double Team}}.png|Using {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}||0=Aura Sphere|1=Force Palm|2=Steel Beam|3=Double Team}}}}
{{anmov|fighting|Aura Sphere|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|fighting|Force Palm|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|steel|Steel Beam|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|normal|Double Team|JN108|}}
{{anmov/f|steel}}--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

:With Z-moves and Dynamax moves, they are completely different moves with completely different gimmicks. Whereas the moves Mega Evolutions use are just the same regular moves. So I don't see a need to duplicate the same info.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::While I understand that, Ash-Greninja has its moves listed in a separate box. So could the same possibly apply to Mega Evolutions? Moreover, with Mega Evolutions, the template could show off the user's changed type. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:06, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Honestly, I don't think Ash-Greninja needs its own move box either. And I don't think showcasing changes in typing would be enough to justify the duplicate information. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Never noticed Ash-Greninja having its own template. I'm all for removing it due to it basically duplicating the same info as the regular form's move template. While showing a different form using a move is a good enough reason to split, I still think it's just duplicating the same info (different types also seem too minor to consider).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

==Infernape Fire Punch==
Fair enough on the previous point, just to verify, can we say for sure that Infernape definitely used Fire Punch whilst the other moves were unconfirmed?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:05, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, Fire Punch has a unique animation (I say that with certainty because I can't imagine another move that could be animated similarly, Comet Punch may be, but that has never been animated with flames).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::In Pokémon Adventures, there was an instance of a Pokémon covering its fists with fire to attack without it using Fire Punch, so IMO, it could've been something similar and not a move at all. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Eh, I'm in the mindset of separating anime and manga. They're two different mediums that are far too different have one cancel out the other. And the unique move animation policy only covers anime (to be honest, manga never crossed my mind when I started that policy)--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Ignoring comments ==

I haven't heard anything from you about my last question about Lana's Lapras in about two weeks despite your obvious activity. What is the point of pushing for discussion if the higher ups are going to ignore them?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:There are 50+ sections on this talk page, with some being quite extensive, so it's pretty easy to miss smaller sections that are in between bigger sections like the Lana's Lapras section. For Lapras, don't think a consensus was given for Ride Pokemon at the time, but from what I can gather from Kiawe's Charizard (who was in the same boat), it was only mainspaced once it was clear that it was actually his Pokemon and not one owned by the whole family. So the same would go for Lapras, was it actually stated that it was a Pokemon she actually owns (thus would make it notable) or does her whole family own it. Again, you are just looking that the notability requirements and arbitrarily saying things are notable, without actually looking at the context/bigger picture.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for the response. I have no idea if it is owned by only her or the family, though wouldn't it still be considered Lana's regardless? And I am looking at the rules and trying to find what fits within them. Considering I keep 'missing the bigger picture' despite working on this wiki for a decade, I would say the rules are unclear or failing to convey what is actually needed for something to be mainspaced. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 23:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I think the point Force Fire is making is that an article fulfilling the bare minimum requirements for notability doesn't automatically make it good enough for the mainspace. As for you wanting more specific rules/criteria, each article is going to have its own unique context that needs to be accounted for. There is no number of rules or extra requirements that will work for every situation. All I can say is that generally an article should be substantial and interesting to read. If an article technically fits the requirements, but seems like it's missing important context that hasn't been revealed yet, or isn't interesting and engaging enough, it's probably not ready for the mainspace. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 05:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Precisely what Landfish said. You're just reading that a Pokemon needs to be owned by a main character/appear more than three times/do more than battling, without actually thinking about the specific situations that would make a Pokemon notable. What did the Pokemon do in its non battle episodes? Did it help its trainer? Did it solve a conflict? In Lapras's case, is it actually her Pokemon? We can't expand the criteria for every specific instance because each Pokemon is different and their reasons for being notable are going to be different each time. Yes, by just simply reading the notability requirements, Lapras would be notable for being owned by a main character. But the bigger context/picture is whether Lana actually owned the Lapras. Being owned by the family doesn't mean it's solely Lana's Pokemon, it's not like she took it everywhere like Kiawe did with his Charizard nor did it have a backstory revelaing who actually owns it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Carbink & Diancie's signature typing. ==

I can understand Toxicroak & Sneaseler, for example, but Diancie is literally a mutated Carbink. How are they not related enough for their unique typing to be trivia? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Because they are no related by evolution, period. So it's not unique to one Pokemon or one evolutionary line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::True, but they are related, period. It's not a coincidence that they share the same type, so it seems silly that we can't make an exception. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:39, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Oh, and before Ultra Necrozma, didn't Lati@s have this in their trivia, despite being 2 different Pokemon? Or am I remembering wrong? (I'm trying to check, but the website's being screwy again). [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::::They may be related by lore, but they are ''still not'' related by evolution. You can't evolve a Carbink into a Diancie, and you can't breed Diancie to get Carbink. They are still treated as individual Pokemon. Thus, they are not related by evolution, making the trivia not unique to one Pokemon or evolutionary line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::The same goes for the Lati@s twins, but they had the unique type trivia. (at least I remember them having it; I'm still having trouble checking). Why did they get special treatment? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::I can assure you, Lati@s was never said to be the only Dragon/Psychic types. And even if it was, it was probably swiftly reverted, as [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2625577&oldid=2625575 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2625576&oldid=2625574 two] edits from 2017 (the year Ultra Necrozma became a thing, and were the only two edits relating to their types throughout 2017) show. And it also shows that it was not reverted because of Ultra Necrozma, it was reverted because Lati@s are not related by evolution (they are related by lore, but are still treated as individual species with not evolutionary relations).
::::::And [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_unique_type_combinations&diff=2525256&oldid=2525254 this 2016 edits] on the type combination article shows the Lati@s was never in the main template but in the trivia section with Solrock/Lunatone and Carbink/Diancie.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Huh, I could've sworn it was for some reason. Very well then. I still think it should be added, but I can tell I'm not going to win this, so I'll leave it be. Good bye. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Exclusive pages for the 8 Masters/Champions ==

In view of the discussion with the Pokémon of some characters, I decided to ask this question before wasting unnecessary time. I'm working on a page of [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Lance (anime)|Lance]] and his story within the anime, trying to get away from what's on his main page (where it talks more technical details than what he actually did in the anime canon). It was close to what I was trying to do with Cynthia's page, which I left on a [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Cynthia (anime) extended history|reserve page]] to work on later, but I would like to know if if I continued this and did it for the other Champions, what are the chances of this being approved and going for mainspace?

Theoretically, the only characters I need to do this would be Steven, Diantha and Lance (which is pretty much finished already), since Iris, Leon, Cynthia, Alain and Ash already have their pages. My intention was to hand it in after the tournament was over, but as apparently there's been some discussion about what's notable and what's not, I decided to ask at once. Should I go ahead with this or are the chances of being approved zero?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Gender difference ==

While I can agree with your point regarding Meganium's gender difference, what about Gyarados? Paul's Gyarados, for example, had blue whiskers. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:Read the {{bp|Speculation policy}}, in Paul's Gyarados's case, the female variant of Gyarados has not appeared in the anime yet so we can't use its gender difference. Just because other gender differences have been acknowledged, doesn't immediately mean all of them are acknowledge, the anime needs to acknowledge each one of them. Raichu's gender difference wasn't even acknowledged, even when Tierno's Racihu had hhr gender confirmed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
::Wasn't sure if a female Gyarados had appeared yet. Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Meganium's gender difference isn't based on length of the anthennas, but their shape. They clearly drew them in different way than previously. Oliver's Meganium has antennas pointing upwards.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
<gallery>
154Meganium OS anime.png|anime art
Elisa Meganium.png|Meganium (before adding gender difference)
File:JN020 Meganium.png|acklowledgement of the difference
</gallery>
::::Male Meganium's antennae are longer than the female, so yes, it's absolutely based off length. The shape is only like that because it's following the shape of the head, the female antennae does the same thing (it follows the shape of the head).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::You know well it's not true.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 22:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

== Categories ==

Could you not jump to your admin power and please start a discussion first? You know, the thing you preach that us lesser beings have to do? Both Infernape and Greninja are one of the heaviest focused Pokémon of their series and a category for their focused episode like any other important character makes sense. If someone else gets an Infernape-dumb argument but okay-then why not make the name “Ash’s Infernape” like I started with? Fixed your issue with it, right? Looking forward to your response!--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:I also want to add that reserving it for walking Pokémon is an odd cutoff. Togepi or Dedenne has hardly done anything compared to those two. Is this not worth taking another look at after a decade?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
::At one point, I made a category for episodes about Mimikyu, but came to kind of regret doing it later after seeing how little episodes it had. Could you remove it? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:::That helps prove my point. Mimikyu is a walking Pokémon with a small amount of focused episodes. What, like 5 compared to 20? Being a walking Pokémon isn’t the best way to determine these categories.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Hello? You undid my edits and I want to talk about it.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 18:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}If you want to suggest making new categories, you need to ask on a talk page. Don't just do as you please. And it was also once deleted before, so I deleted it again. We don't need categories for literally every Pokemon a characters owns, and the ones that you deem important were really only important for their own series, unlike Pikachu or Meowth who are basically main characters. I personally would restrict it even further to just those two, or maybe include Wobbfuffet just for how long its been around.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

== User:Great designer ==

[[User:Great designer]] has left a trace of many suspicious activities here in addition to manipulating puppet accounts. The user page contains some overt information on stalking and impersonating, which they have been doing since mid-February. There is also much evidence of their insulting and harassing other users and bureaucrats on social media with ''ad hominem'' attacks followed by long and opaque statements. The user claims to have sent an email and addressed some unspecified topics on 17 June 2020 (UTC). The message was left on [[User talk:DzaiSheng]] and [[User talk:Great designer]], but no such email has been received as of now. This makes their latest activity very dubious. The eponymous account on 52Poké has been permanently banned since late April for repeated misuse and appropriation of contributions by others in and out of the site. Considering his wrongdoings on the sibling site and on social media, I would suggest keeping a close watch over what they vow to do next.[[User:DzaiSheng|DzaiSheng]] ([[User talk:DzaiSheng|talk]]) 09:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== Add Page to template. ==

Heya,

I made [[List of other event distributions (Generation IX)]], as the first distribution for Scarlet and Violet had just been announced. Can this page be added to [[Template:Event Pokémon]]? Also the Generation 4 GTS link on this template links to a redirect, if this can be corrected or the original page moved back to where it used to be. [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
::You deleted the Generation 7 page from the template there.[[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Oops, fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::: Can you also add: [[List of internet event Pokémon distributions (Generation IX)]], and also the lochide function to the [[Template:LAevent/head]] template so its consistent with the standard [[Template:G8event/head|generation 8]] template? Thanks! -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 13:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::: Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::Get rid of the extra <code><nowiki>style="</nowiki></code> and it should work. The line should read like this: <code><nowiki>! style="{{#if: {{{lochide|}}}|display:none;}} background:#{{Legends Arceus color light}}" | Location</nowiki></code> -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 14:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::: And [[List of local event Pokémon distributions (Generation VIII)]]-- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 11:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

:Add [[List of serial code event Pokémon distributions (Generation IX)]] -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 06:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
::Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon in Russia]] ==

Would it be a good idea to hide the two latest revisions from Inkster on this article, since the vandalism is still present and visible there? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
:Oh and it's visible in your last revision too. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Looks like Inkster didn't remove all of the vandal's edit in their undo edit, so my rollback of the vandal only removed what Inkster removed. I've hidden all the edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Volcanion ==

Did you intend to make Volcanion's species page only editable by administrators? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 05:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:Oh... um... oops. Fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Type specialists ==

Hi! Sorry to bother you, but I was hoping to get your input on [[User talk:Pale Prism#Specialists|this discussion]] about type specialists. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 00:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
:Bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 01:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
::Bumpity, bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 23:33, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Ugh. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 04:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::It would be nicer to restart the topic instead of bumping an existing one. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Arctozolt ==
Hey, I rewatched some of Journeys's old episodes, and saw that Goh's Arctozolt appeared in (at least) three episodes. Its debut episode, well it was prominent for about 90% of the episode (unlike most of Goh's Pokémon). And like, I said, made a few more (somewhat) prominent appearances on Journeys. I already have a draft created, so can I have permission to officially post an Arctozolt article on the Main Page of Bulbapedia?

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 04:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:The notability requirements states: Those that haven't had plot significance must be used by him in at least two different episodes, in addition to their capture episode. So Goh needs to use it one more time. Just appearing three times means nothing if it only did something notable in one of those times. Side note: if you're wondering, yes I checked all of Goh's other reserve Pokemon and they still meet the requirement of being used by him at least twice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Type specialists+ ==

Hi! So, according to you, [[Elesa]] should qualify as a notable {{type|Electric}} specialist of her sex because she's the only female out of six. On the other hand, [[Bede]] shouldn't count as a notable {{type|Fairy}} specialist of his sex because he's the only male out of four.

Honestly, that's all fine and dandy, but it leads to an obvious question: what about characters who are 1 in 5? — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 00:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
:These "x out y" trivia should be based on common sense, you don't need to ask for every single different variation. What's next? is 1 out of 7 notable? Just use a bit of common sense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
::<q>These <q>x out y</q> trivia should be based on common sense.</q> Agreed! Wonderful. Brilliant… Very enlightening… All of my questions have been answered?!
::Really though, I agree that there should be a standard as to how to deal with these situations. Your ideas are great and all, but I'm more concerned with accuracy and consistency. As per the existing standards, I was under the impression that 1 in 4 was notable, and 1 in 6 wasn't, but I guess that that's completely arbitrary? 1 in 5 is completely up in the air? There's not something in the Bulbapedia help guide that says otherwise, is there?
::I'm not asking about every single case (I legitimately don't know how you arrived at such a weird conclusion); I was presented with a 1/6 case and a 1/4 case, and I wanted to know what the intermediate case would be. {{unsigned|Pale Prism}}
:::IIRC 1/3 and 1/4 are generally not considered notable. 1/5 is probably going to be a case-by-case situation. 1/6 is probably fine, but again it may depend on the context. Instead of focusing on an exact number rule, Force Fire is (probably) saying that we should consider the context and think about whether it makes sense in the first place for that trivia to be included. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 04:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

==[[Ivysaur_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#May.27s_Ivysaur|May's Ivysaur]]==
Before getting into an edit war, I would like to know what criteria are used to consider a Pokemon that has never been shown in the anime, a "notable appearance".
I undid that part and then it was undone (for a change...). Not even May's Venusaur has exactly notable criteria in the anime.

Since it doesn't have a section for Clemont's Helioptile, Gary's Wartotle or Paul's Grotle (which is fair), it doesn't seem to make any sense to do that.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:54, 06 July 2022 (UTC)
:Decided to remove it after some reconsideration. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 22:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Diantha (anime) ==

Does [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Diantha (anime)|this]] page have the requirements to go to mainspace?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 23:25, 09 July 2022 (UTC)
:All she has done is battle. Even if the Masters 8 Tournaments are more notable battles, the "only battled" rule does not take into account importance. It's still just a battle. And expanding a simple sentence and making overly detailed '''will not''' make an article more notable. It just bloats the article with unnecessary fluff. It's not the size of the article that determines notability. It's the actions of the character.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm not going to argue, I'm sad but unfortunately ok. Just wanted to say, when I make detailed pages for Diantha, Bea, or Cynthia, I don't want to put unnecessary material. This is character development, making an article and just putting that character "appears in episode X, reappears in episode Y, appears in flashback in episode Z" is simpler to eliminate pages of the characters and put a table with the appearances only. Cynthia's page before I tried to add content looked like a draft, which is pretty weird for one of the more developed characters in the anime.
:::But as I said I won't argue or try to make anyone change their mind, it's up to me to accept and let it go,I won't delete the pages of the characters I created if someday the staff thinks these pages are ready for mainspace, they will be there. Thanks for the feedback anyway. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::I would like to know if the page has already met the requirements to be able to go to mainspace. At the end of Journeys I intend to request the deletion of practically all my userpages and this is one that I would like to get some approval for because it took considerable time to do. -[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 02:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Image error ==

There's an ongoing error that's been happening for a couple of days. Whenever there's a new image uploaded, it shows this: Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127. How long do you think it'll take for this to be fixed? [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 02:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

== Element symbol ==

I think it's more precisely referred to as an "element symbol", though some people use the term "periodic symbol" as well, so it's probably fine as it is. "Chemical symbol" usually also includes information such as the mass number and the atomic number and such, so that's probably not the best term to use. Just thought I'd inform you! [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
:I see, thanks.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger ==

AlolanRanger has continued to post dubious trivia with poor grammar ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN109&diff=3545647&oldid=3536333 like here, for example)]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

== Floette ==

There's currently an edit war on the Floette page regarding the use of the term "Legendary Pokémon" to refer to Eternal Flower Floette. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 08:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

== you dont add powerful ==

that doesn't make sense

Paul's Urusing has it down to eb extremely powerful You have down for Ash Palpitoad as physical tough and many other pokemon in the Series that has something similar

we have Ash dragonite as extremely resilient and strong Pokémon

Ash Heracros as powerful battler

so what the difference to me its called Nothing. Im pretty sure, you all against me thats why when I add something you all need to jump at me {{unsigned|Gian9456}}

== Trivia ==

JN91 Same Trivia Me has seen In AG178 and M18 page trivia section [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 17:40, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
:Doesn't matter, it's not notable the third time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I was skip--Gian9456 01:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

== Am I still blocked? ==

I recently tried editing MY PAGE, and saw that any of my edits resulted in level three vandalism. I took a look at the FAQ page. and I saw that I could be in an abuse condition, am I right about this? [[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 13:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Are you trying to edit your ''user''page? Because if so, you have to be {{bp|autoconfirmed}} before you can edit your userpage. To become autoconfirmed, you have to have been a user for some time and make a certain number of '''main'''space edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

::Oh sorry, actually I was talking about my own talk page.[[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 13:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Are you trying to remove the welcome template, or any other content, again? That's probably why. Please stop trying to remove content from your talk page, per the {{bp|Talk page policy}}, leave any discussion and the welcome template as they are.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:::It wasn't the welcome message that I tried to remove, but my statements, which I consider insignificant, i read the Talk Page Policy, and saw I really can't do this. I really want to believe that no administrator used their power to manipulate this rule and that it has NEVER BEEN BROKEN. Even without the concrete answer, I conclude that I am no longer blocked, thanks for your attention, [[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 14:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== JN119 ==

The episode currently titled as JN119 ("Chloe and Eevee - The Miracle of Evolution") was confirmed not to be a numbered episode yesterday. It's going to be a clip show episode instead. Could you move and renumber episode articles accordingly? Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:As in, an unnumbered clip show. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
::Moved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:30, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Okay, now things are becoming confusing, since the official anipoke_pr Twitter page is not calling the clip show "episode 119", after all. I do not know how long the episode will be, but if it turns out to be a normal length episode, I suppose it should be moved back. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::All this discussion is kind of irrelevant until the episode is officially aired, no? If the episode has unreleased scenes, it's basically a normal episode. The mention of it being episode 119 is more because the episode is taking up the show's traditional timeslot, I think.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) ([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC))
:::::We're aware. It's best to wait 'til the episode airs and see how things play out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::I'd say we can count this as a regular episode. While a clip show and a bit longer than a normal episode, it had an opening, commercial break, end credits, and a next episode preview. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

== Another pointless edit war ==

Somehow, there is still an edit war on the [[player character]] article relating to ages, which is even more pointless as you have previously stated the used source is a vague generalization that doesn't go into specific details. The segment on the article itself ("They are usually 10 or 11 years old" is reminisent of the "all trainers are 10" conclusion that many jump to without any official confirmation. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:04, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:There's a difference between saying that source implies certain characters are 10/11 and using it as generic, catch-all source as the player character articles uses it. It's fine on the player character article as it's being used in a general context rather than it saying that ''specific'' characters are 10/11.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:23, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::If this is saying they're ''generally'' 10-11 as opposed to ''specific'' ones, wouldn't that make it acceptable be added to their articles as "According to Ken Sugimori, the protagonists are ''usually'' 10 or 11 years of age" in a general context or? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 13:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:::It's fine on the general player character article, but not the individual specific characters because it doesn't name which ones.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::::I see. Although I'd like to mention that Red's article says that he is 10 in the European version, but I can't find any source that confirms this. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 13:54, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

== MinneG yet again ==

I've posted about them twice in the past, but I would like to bring up their edits once again.

Compare [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3552885&oldid=3552701 their most recent edit to Chloe's Eevee] to these other edits made by confirmed Kittystyler sockpuppets:

* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3331916&oldid=3331873 Example 1]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3334421&oldid=3334100 Example 2]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3340321&oldid=3339909 Example 3]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3358172&oldid=3352145 Example 4]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3399183&oldid=3396956 Example 5]

At this point, I find it extremely difficult to believe that this could be anyone other than Kittystyler.

Additionally, even outside of them being a likely sockpuppet, MinnieG's poor grammar and tendency to focus too heavily on minor details (such as overfocusing too much on character relationships) has continued to be an issue despite the multiple messages on their talk page.

I'm aware that a check is not really an option at this point, but is there really nothing that can be done? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:I've been monitoring this use for a while, and while I can't do an IP check, their edits are way too similar to past sockpuppets to not be KittyStyler. They've been blocked.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

== Cynthia's Garchomp ==

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cynthia%27s_Garchomp&oldid=3553808

''Be patient, it can be added after the episode airs. Stop rushing things just to be the first.''

I've noticed that several things I post are reversed but strangely when other users post THE SAME CONTENT it goes by smoothly, so I start to think that it actually has something to do with what I post. It wasn't enough that I was forced to delete my discord account because I had a "pseudo admin" coming to piss me off in my inboxes.

You once said that I take things too personally, but certain actions don't do much to erase that idea.

I uploaded the image because it was released in high resolution and hosted it on the site, as I did '''EVERY TIME''' I hosted an image. It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be first in something. Good night--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 22:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC))

== Iamdisha ==

Despite having been warned about it three times, Iamdisha continues to be making an excessive number of edits in a short period of time. They seem to have a history of ignoring their talk page, so I didn't see any point in giving them a fourth warning that they'll just ignore, so I figured I'd bring it to your attention instead. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:10, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

== New Episode Category ==

Hello, I would like to know if you object to me creating a category of episodes focused on Cynthia, since she has some episodes that don't involve battles, I believe it makes sense to have that.--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC))
:[[:Category:Episodes in which a Champion appears]] should suffice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]]

== Am I allowed to do this? If so, is there a fast way to do it? ==

In the Pokemon GO section, every Pokemon that learns Frustration/Return has a {{tt|‡|As Shadow/Purified Pokémon}} symbol next to it. That symbol is also used for moves that can no longer be learned or require an Elite TM, so I think it'd be better replace it with a [[File:GO Shadow icon.png|24px]] and [[File:GO Purified icon.png|24px]] respectively. Would this be allowed, and is there an easy way to do it? (ie, BulbaBot or something?) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 04:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

Heya. How are you doing?
I’d like to make a suggestion: instead of using screenshots for moves and 3D Pokémon sprites, why not use GIFs instead, like for the moves as they appear in 2D? In the case of moves, they allow users to see what a move fully looks like without having to go to YouTube. I think it’s better than using multiple screenshots. What do you think?

Also, mind telling me what it’s like in Australia? :D [[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 12:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
:That's never gonna happen. Animated models are simply too large and will cause slower load times, especially if we're going to have multiple of them animated. It's simply not worth it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry to butt in, but this should only be part of Bulbapedia's past, NOT present. I may know that already, but other EP wikis don't care and just put animated 2D renders of the models. Also, I think this is mostly a very historic "policy", which Bulbapedia tends to adhere to, but in a really bad way. This was, I think, only part of worries that e.g. it will cause memory leaks while rendering the image in IE (which we mustn't worry about now). It's never too early or too late to introduce them. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 15:15, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
:::The issue isn't that we don't want them, the issue is that the files would be too large for the site to handle, as well as having more than one animated image on an article, which may cause severe load times.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:24, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== Evolution data ==

I noticed the explanation for reversions was "consistency"

My response: consistency with what?

At the time of the edits no other Generation IX Pokémon page had the sentence, and the pages for those Pokémon in question still do not. Cetitan still does not. Fidough still does not. The starters still do not. What does it need to be consistent with?

My stance: wouldn’t it make more sense to leave out evolution data until the game releases, or at the very least if a trailer drops? Because the use of the sentence "It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon” is kinda synonymous with Pokémon that don’t evolve at all. We don’t know if any of these Pokémon will have evolved forms, so why use a sentence that insinuates they won’t? At the least just put the word “currently” in there. [[User:Crummymummy|Crummymummy]] ([[User talk:Crummymummy|talk]]) 18:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:It's to be consistent with all other Pokémon not known to have an evolution. Aerodactyl ''could'' get an evolution in Gen IX too but that doesn't mean we remove the evolution info for it. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 20:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
::It's to be consistent with all the other 805 Pokemon, not just the other Gen IX Pokemon. Just because some of them don't have it, doesn't mean none of them should have it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Adding to Unique Type Combination templates ==
Hello, I'm here to suggest adding a Gen VIII column to the Former Unique Type Combination template, an several Gen IX Pokemon have sent other Pokemon into that chart. [[User:PinkYoshiGaming|PinkYoshiGaming]] ([[User talk:PinkYoshiGaming|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:It's on my list of things to do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger ==

[[User talk:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] is still solely focusing on adding unnotable trivia to articles. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 21:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Question ==

Is it possible for regular users to edit the sprites section of Pokémon articles? If so, could you show me how, please?[[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 11:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
:If you mean the spritebox, then no, only staff members can edit those.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, okay, thanks for letting me know. I asked because I thought that using GIFs for 3D Pokémon sprites would be better than using static images.[[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 11:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:Animated models are out of the question as they can be very large in size and will cause the site to load slower, especially if were to have multiple animated models playing at the same time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::Animated models from generation 6 like on [https://projectpokemon.org/home/docs/spriteindex_148/3d-models-generation-1-pok%C3%A9mon-r90/ this site] weight around 200KB, same like some of BW sprites which are already used on Bulbapedia. I think we could eventually update models for newer generation. I guess it depends on the tech guys behind Bulbapedia when they fix image issues.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 13:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Is there any way they could be set to only load the GIF/APNG and animate if hovered over, with the first frame being loaded as a static image the rest of the time? I've seen that capability on other platforms, having them be "static images unless interacted with" could reduce the strain, they could play one at a time versus all at once. [[User:Atrius97|Atrius97]] ([[User talk:Atrius97|talk]]) 14:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::::Or maybe we could start having separate gallery pages for each Pokémon. Something like [[Pikachu (Pokémon)/Gallery]]. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 14:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::I would even expand that on "non-essential data" (or with a different name). The most common complains about Bulbapedia I hear is that you need to scroll over a lot of data to see what you really want, stats, moves or weaknesses.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 18:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

== Please don't break the rules ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia:Userspace_policy Here] it is written that: "'''Users at administrator level or above have the authority to delete any content they feel is breaching the userspace policy. Offenders will generally be given a day or two to "rescue" their content and save it somewhere that isn't on Bulbapedia.'''". I didn't break any rule so I don't see a reason to be banned besides you being prejudiced against me. If you want me to put that edit on my subpage then at least don't make it impossible to access. It doesn't make any difference to me and I would be happy to talk instead of all this.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:14, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
:As I presume you just completely ignored my comment on your talk page, here is the same message.
:Once again, you must be reminded on this. Do '''not''' go around making largescale edits without permission, especially if you are going to just undo yourself. That makes it completely unnecessary and almost vandal-like. If you want to showcase a suggestion, do so in your userspace, stop going around acting like the site is your play thing. Before you cry "it's not in any policies", it's common sense. Not everything needs to be written down, particularly when it comes to common sense things. Also, I was being pretty lenient in my reminder in the previous discussion, but your snarky response suggests you don't want me to be lenient. It doesn't matter if you're making mainspace ideas, it doesn't make you above policy or of higher authority, you still need to abide by it.

So next time you have some giant suggestion, make a userpage. Do '''not''' make such an unnecessary edit.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

:It really makes no difference to me. Add that to the rules. I thought I'm making it simpler for everyone by not making new pages for no reason. So, anyway what's your opinion on that suggestion? Btw, I found two subpages of mine that I don't use [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/Template] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/Categorytable], can you delete them, please?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
::I'm not addind common sense to the policy. Common sense doesn't need to be written, not every little thing that users disagree with needs to be written down in a policy.
::And if it makes no difference to you, then that implies you'd do it again. Once again showing no real fear of consequence. If you do such a thing again, it doesn't make it any more right. The penalty will just be harsher.
::No one is going to bregrudge you for making another userpage with suggestions, why would you even think that.
::If you want my opinion on your suggestion, it's similar to what Nescientist said, less colors more simple listing. Less is more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:50, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
:::What? Saying it makes no difference to me means I'll do it your way. So, can I have this page visible again so I could copy it on my userspace?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 21:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
::::I will make a page, presently, in your userspace with the copy (minus categories) of the [[Type expert]] edit you made.
::::As ForceFire says, user pages exist for a very good reason. If it's for site ideas, just use one. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::Ok. And you also could state your opinion about it. So far I've heard it's a step in good direction.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 21:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Narrator (WCS) ==

I would like to know, can [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Narrator (WCS)|this page]] be promoted to mainspace? BigDocFan also suggested another name, what is the best option to refer to this character in your opinion?-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:Announcer is probably a more suitable name and the parenthesis should be the region they're from unless you are certain they're all the same person and not another Joy/Jenny/Don George sort of deal. Otherwise, I think it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:54, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Milcery ==

Caterpie taken more time to evolve in the episode where it caught while Goh's Milcery Evolve just 1 minute after she caught first Pokemon Evolve in quickest time me not written same episode caught or evolve [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 16:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Can you check a certain user? ==

I have some suspicions about AutumOcto, who I think may be a sockpuppet of a particular user. They're not quite as blatant as MinnieG, but the edits are still fairly similar. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

== Spambots ==

[[User talk:WildaFabian17|WildaFabian17]] and [[User talk:JosefPrendergast|JosefPrendergast]] seem to be spambots. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 07:55, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

== Articles promoted to Main Page ==
Hey there. I created a few drafts for some of Goh's Pokémon after I recently went on a Journeys rewatch marathon, and created these Draft Articles after I believed (IMO) that these Pokémon had, again IMO, enough noteworthy appearances. Of course, I wanted to check with an admin to see if they're good enough to be "promoted" to Bulbapedia's main pages.

*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Venomoth|Goh's Venomoth]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Dustox|Goh's Dustox]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Taillow|Goh's Taillow]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Lilligant|Goh's Lilligant]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Floette|Goh's Floette]]
Regardless of your answer, thanks in advance! [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 02:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Only Venomoth and Taillow meet the notability requirements. Liligant and Floette has not made enough notable appearances, while Dustox doesn't have any notable appearances.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:: While we're on the subject, I know that Goh's Pokémon need at least three episodes of noteworthy appearance to receive their own articles, IIRC. But, Goh's Absol only has two episodes on the "History" description. So, I'm assuming that if a Pokémon had an entire episode dedicated to them, it drops to 2 episodes instead of 3? So, if let's say, Falinks had another noteworthy appearance, it would then receive its own article, since it also had a whole episode dedicated to it? [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 19:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Also, also, does that mean, I have permission to create an official article for Goh's Venomoth? Like, if I do, I won't get in trouble? And Taillow for that matter. {{unsigned|HygorBH}}
:::::''Only Venomoth and Taillow meet the notability requirements.''

:::::Does this mean that Venomoth and Taillow can be moved to mainspace?-[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::::::Venomoth and Taillow are fine to be mainspaced.
::::::As for Hygor's other question, yes, if a Pokemon has a very prominent role in its capture episode, it counts as an episode it had an impact on, so it's notable once it appears more than once (in a non background capacity at least, ie. not just standing idly). Otherwise, the second part of Goh's rule comes into play (the Pokemon needing to be used by Goh in some capacity in more then two episodes).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::::::: OK. So, I'll create pages for Venomoth and Taillow and place it on the main page. I just hope I don't get into trouble afterwards. [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 17:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::In fact, the process would just move the page to mainspace, Hygor. It is not necessary to create a new page to place your content.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 20:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

== Leon Charizard ==

''For rival characters and other recurring characters, only their signature Pokémon may have an article created about them. An exception may be made if another Pokémon that is not the signature has had an impact on the series. One example of this would possibly be Gary's Arcanine. Jimmy and Marina also fall into this category. If a rival's signature Pokémon does nothing more than battle or has no major impact on the plot, then it is not notable for an article and instead should have a section on its Trainer's page.''
:Leon's Charizard fits this criteria. Can we please stop pretending it hasn't had an impact on the series? If you want to argue that it hasn't, look at episodes [[JN042]] to [[JN045]]. This Pokémon has had more notability than many rival Pokémon that do have pages. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::Take [[Harrison's Blaziken]], [[Nando's Roserade]], and [[Miette's Slurpuff]] as random examples. Please explain what these signature rival Pokémon have done that makes them worthy of a page when Charizard isn't? --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Being a signature Pokémon is just one of the criteria. And Miette's Slurpuff is an actual character that does things besides battle and has an article that is interesting to read. Also, just because some older articles no longer fit the newer criteria does not mean that newer articles don't still have to meet the criteria. The article still just amounts to Charizard battling and does not make for an interesting read. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
::::Interesting read and relevant read are different things. Even if a majority of it's appearances are battling, it has still done things related to the plot of the series: serving as Ash's main goal, helping stop the Darkest Day, training with Ash, its backstory with Leon. I also don't understand the issue with battling. It's Pokémon. Battling is the main pull of the franchise. It makes sense that it will be heavily featured. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 00:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:::::That's rather the point. A Pokémon engaging in Pokémon battles is the norm, not a special exception that makes it distinct and interesting enough for its own article. We don't have an article for every Pokémon that has battled in more than one episode. And there are plenty of Pokémon (such as those belonging to Gym Leaders) that Ash has had to battle for his journey, some across multiple episodes. That doesn't make the Pokémon itself interesting or notable enough to have its own article. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}Leon is a Champion, so he falls under rule 4 not rule 3. And in accordance to rule four, only their signatures get articles if they have done more than battle. Charizard only meets half of that requirement.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:09, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:''Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot''
::Leon is said to be Ash's main rival in Journeys so I'm not sure why you think he doesn't fall under both categories. Either way, Charizard helped stop the Darkest Day. That is having an impact on the plot and still qualifies it. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Force Fire, I put this on your talk page because I wanted to have this discussion with you. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
::::I've already explained in previous discussions why Charizard's role in darkest day isn't worth noting. All it did was battle the Eternatus, it didn't help the main characters get to their goal (as is the case with Steven's Metagross where it helped the main characters infiltrate Team Flare's base).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::I really think you're nitpicking this. Charizard is the main Pokémon of both a rival and champion and has participated in events outside of a battle. By definition of the rules, it should have a page. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::Not gonna make a new thread for this but I definitely agree. Other champion's Pokemon have done less than Leon's Charizard and have a mainspace page (see Diantha's Gardevoir). After their Final Battle, Charizard came with Leon to visit Pikachu in the Pokémon Center and the two butted heads, indicating a sort of rivalry or bond that has formed. I don't think anyone besides a few mods genuinely thinks that it's not notable enough for its own page (especially with its appearances in other media as well, not just anime). [[User:Meanscreen|Meanscreen]] ([[User talk:Meanscreen|talk]]) 06:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger again ==

Despite having been warned multiple times about adding dubious trivia and/or trivia with poor grammar, AlolanRanger is still at it.
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN130&diff=3591070&oldid=3590901 Example 1]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN130&diff=3590324&oldid=3590315 Example 2]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN129&diff=prev&oldid=3588718 Example 3]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN013&diff=prev&oldid=3582541 Example 4]

They've been notified multiple times over the past two months, but to no avail. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 17:33, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

== MazieGatlin ==

[[User talk:MazieGatlin|MazieGatlin]] appears to be a spambot. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

== Shipping overhaul ==

What do you mean by "shipping overhaul? Just wondering. Cause evidence is the necessary purpose of the prove of the Amourshipping. [[User:Kevin128|Kevin128]] ([[User talk:Kevin128|talk]]) 01:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
:I've explained on your talk page, you can also check [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Shipping#Bulbapedia and Shipping]] for more information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

== Hikaru Wazana ==

Hikaru Wazana has an anime image source that they use for images from the newest episodes. The thing is, however, that those images are not the best available quality, and end up always being upgraded later, making the initial uploads unnecessary. HW has been asked several times to stop this practice because of this, but they have nevertheless continued it, the latest case being with today's episode images. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:And here we go again....
:I take 1080p HD quality footage of the episode that I watch, BigDocFan knows where I download the episodes. There are no better quality images of the episodes than this(Unless I get them out of the Tv Tokyo office).
:But let's play for real that you're doing this because I'm myself, I don't know what wrong I did to you, but apparently forcing me to delete my personal discord profile (which I use for other things that don't involve Bulbapedia ) is not enough, right?
:What's your problem with me anyway? --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 18:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::As I recall, you chose to leave your own Discord account. I did not force you to do anything. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes, I left it because you don't know the difference between "space" and "proper place of things", even after I said that my Discord account is not your space to complain about things and what matters here should be dealt with here.
:::And as far as I know I shouldn't even argue with you, you're as much a user as I am, you're not part of the admin and you don't have any position here. But apparently, you haven't realized that yet.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::No need to be rude. Giving constructive criticism is not disallowed. And I don't recall doing it in any sort of insulting way. It is not a right exclusively reserved for Admins. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}From what I'm gathering, from the few files I've checked, could just be a case of someone else having a better image, but it doesn't necessarily mean Hikaru's images are bad (at least, not from what I can tell). I see no problem with it, just as long as its of acceptable quality. As for image sourcing, they probably just screenshot the episode image, nothing wrong with that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
:HW's upload of Horace's Virizion is of lesser quality, and also features the TV Tokyo watermark, which is definitely something to avoid. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:55, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
::[[User_talk:Hikaru_Wazana#Horace_Virizion]]
::And then you come with hypocrisy saying that I shouldn't be rude to you.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Being rude is not polite. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'm being polite enough, if we were somewhere else, or social media, I would have already said what I really wanted to say to you. For me, this discussion was already over. But I hope the admins are seeing what happens here.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 17:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

== Pages to approval/delletion ==

As I said before, I'm going to review some pages and try to leave others aside. I would like to know which of these pages here, I get approval and the following would be the first to be deleted.

The Helioptile one is part of something I want to build here, and I think the Pokemon should meet the requirements to be in mainspace.

'''approval'''
* [[User:Satsjoe/Alexa's Helioptile]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Diantha (anime)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Iki Town festival tournament]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Paldea League]]
'''delletion'''
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Template:Quillon's Pokémon]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Template:Volkner's Pokémon]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Template:Marnie's Pokémon]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Project Mew (Mission Regis)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Darkest Day (anime)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Danika's Urshifu]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Alcremie]]
Could you be helping me with this?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 18:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::Helioptile isn't notable, per rule 3 regarding recurring character's Pokémon. Gogoat at least had some notable appearances, whereas Helioptile didn't do much. And simply appearing doesn't mean anything, it needs to do something. The only argument you could make is that it's her signature, which is debatable.
::Diantha has only battled in all her appearances to date. The only time she didn't battle was during the Team Flare arc, which even then she didn't do anything that notable.
::It seems fine, but manga is not my expertise. Ask for second opinions regarding this.
::The Paldea league article will be made once the games are out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Ox, would it be up to you to delete the Padela League page? Could you delete [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Pokémon Performer|this one]] too?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 11:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
::::If you want it to be deleted. Could still be mainspaced once the games are out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

== Chloe: a main character confirmation? ==

[https://twitter.com/anipoke_PR/status/1591672205040943105 An official piece of artwork] features Chloe alongside all of Ash's friends. Does this count as evidence towards Chloe being counted as a main character or not? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
:The artwork leaves out Goh, so I would say no. The official site still doesn't list Chloe as main character, as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, okay. Didn't know about an official site listing. Got it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

== Preview ==
Where is Preview button and how to use it what is happen with Preview button [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 10:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
:It is the button right next to the '''Save changes''' button, marked as '''Show preview'''--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

== Potential sockpuppet? ==

Do you think you could check the user "FairyType"? I heavily suspect that they may be yet another sockpuppet of a certain person. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 16:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
:Certainly seems like it. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
::I've looked into it and found no matches, but I'll keep an eye out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

It took a while, but there was a match in IP address with one of their previous accounts. They've been blocked, once again.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:47, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
:I think it would finally stop being such a troublesome user if KittyStyler's IP address is blocked forever on Bulbapedia. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 18:15, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

== *facepalm* ==

I find it very absurd that somehow ''that'' information is denied from being added to the characters' articles for "not listing which ones", even though the article for PCs clearly states ''"from Generation I to IV, the player characters were always 10 or 11 years old"'', which I find rather counterproductive. It's already a hassle trying to interpret and search for vague character lore. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 14:27, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:To be fair, it actually said "usually" prior to SnorlaxMonster's edit, so I adjusted it back to its original wording. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 14:54, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::What does "usually" have to do with what I said? We don't know if Brendan/May are 12 as the player while they are as the rival. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 17:09, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:::The (as rival) parenthesis already suggests that it's exlusive to them being the rival. No need to overcomplicate.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::::I know that because I was the one who added the (as rival) prarenthesis. I don't see any reason not to include that bracket on the Johto and Sinnoh PCs. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 17:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::Those don't have their ages revealed when they are the rival, at least, not that I remember. If you're talking about the interview, then you're clearly not getting it. I've already explained to you countless times why that source can't be used for ''specific'' characters, but you refuse to listen nor let it go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::This discussion wouldn't even been had if you had actually read the interview. Nobody knows what he meant by "previous games", blatantly assuming it meant "all games prior to Gen V" is speculation at most. In fact, there's almost no reason for an article like this to contain meaningless trivia such as ages. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 21:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

== Houfuku ==

Noticed you made an edit on {{m|Comeuppance}} and changed hōfuku to houfuku. However, the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Romanization|manual of style]] says any variation of a long お, including おう, is to berendered as ō. Should we revert? [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 01:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

== New Page Proposals ==

Hi! I also left a message on [[User talk:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]], but there are a few notable Pokémon that I would like to make pages for because they are on par with articles such as [[Pikachutwo]], [[Crystal Onix]], and [[Pink Butterfree]]. These would be [[Bulbasaurtwo]], [[Squirtletwo]], [[Charmandertwo]], [[Venusaurtwo]], [[Blastoisetwo]], [[Charizardtwo]], [[Giant Alakazam]], [[Giant Gengar]], [[Giant Jigglypuff]], [[Purple Kecleon]], and [[Orange Archipelago Butterfree]]. (the "Giant" Pokémon might be changed to "Ancient" because I think it was either that or something like that they they were titled with). Would this be okay? —[[User:ParkerHaley2003|ParkerHaley2003]] ([[User talk:ParkerHaley2003|talk]]) 1:12, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
:None of the Pokémon you've suggested are notable, per the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Notability requirements|notability requirements]]. They all did not do much in the episodes they appeared in, the Mewtwo clones and giants just battled, which is not enough to consider giving them pages.
:For the existing articles you brought up, Pikachutwo had a significant appearance in Mewtwo Returns, the Crystal Onix and Pink Butterfree were Pokemon of the day - thus meeting rule seven of the notability requirements.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:38, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

== Paradox Pokemon relation ==

How would you like to write the notes on top of the pages like "Delibird (Pokemon)" that Paradox Pokemon like "Iron Bundle" are their futuristic versions/counterparts/what else? I see you reverted a few edits like that, maybe right wording is the problem but omitting them completely is not an option.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 10:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
:Considering they aren't, or haven't been confirmed to be, related to those Pokemon, it doesn't really belong on in the lede like other Pokemon with evolutionary family/forms/megas whatnot. The best place is the trivia and with less definitive wording.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
::They are related by design. It feels really disingenius to omit such information. How about this:
:::''Generation IX introduced Paradox Pokemon Iron Bundle that appears to be inspired by Delibird, however no relation between these two was confirmed.''
--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 18:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
::::That wording is fine, it's only the placement that I'm not too 100% on. But considering we're also placing convergent evolution in the lede, it should be fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:32, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::If that helps, Iron Jugulis's Pokedex entry mentions it being an offspring of Hydreigon.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::You can check "Paradox Pokemon" page. Every Pokemon they're based on are mentioned in "Enigmas of Paldea". That's all you wanted.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 19:05, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I really need you to answer that because you have no argument anymore and I don't have any reason to not add these notes.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::::My last response wasn't an argument against the addition... no need for the aggressive attitude, abide by the code of conduct.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:24, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm sorry. I'm not sure how to approach such topics with you. Thanks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 17:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

== Macro cosmos ==

Hi, I'm sorry, but how could you possibly think this is a coincidence? they line up EXACTLY. what are the chances that they could just both create the exact same logo and it not be intentional? ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 19:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

[[File:20191217 Detective Pikachu 03.jpg|thumb|GUI]]
Here Is a GUI made by Territory Studios for the movie, you can see the logo in the top-right corner, they are the same. ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 19:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
:[[User talk:Force Fire/Archive 12#Marco cozmos edit|We've already discussed this]]. It is pure speculation that the logo is supposed to be Macro Cosmos's logo unless you have proof it was intentional. Detective Pikachu can not reference something that was released after it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
:: About the movie being released before the game, fair enough, but you simply cannot convince me that these are not the same, look at them, please. and tell me, what are the chances of the logos matching up perfectly? what are the chances of this being entirely coincidental? ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 02:13, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
[[File:20191217 Detective Pikachu MC.jpg|thumb]]
:::Unless you have proof that they're both the same logo, it is just a coincidence.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
::::Even if it is a coincidence, they are still the same. that kind of thing does not just happen. ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 05:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

== Nacli ==

I know you said "no copyrighted stuff", but keep in mind that Pokémon and Mario are both owned by Nintendo, and Nintendo games reference other Nintendo franchises (especially the Mario franchise) quite a lot, so it is possible that Nacli's design could have been inspired by the Super Mushroom from the Mario franchise. All those other parallels to copyrighted characters that other users are coming up with are purely speculation, and a bit too much of a stretch, but surely other Nintendo franchises could be an exception to this rule. After all, the Pokémon Egg page states that its design could have been inspired by Yoshi Eggs, and the Revive page states that Revives bear a striking resemblance to Star Pieces from ''Paper Mario'', so I don't see why we can't mention Nacli's similarity to Super Mushrooms. [[User:Buzzfan120|Buzzfan120]] ([[User talk:Buzzfan120|talk]]) 17:58, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
:Copyrighted property is still protected by copyright. Just because other article have something, doesn't mean it's suddenly okay to add more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:57, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
::So, not even if it's another Nintendo property? Just wondering. [[User:Buzzfan120|Buzzfan120]] ([[User talk:Buzzfan120|talk]]) 08:01, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

== Images of moves ==

Hello. Is there a particular policy about which game's animation should be added to an article? For example, if there's a Sword/Shiled animation, can there also be a BD/SP one, or is it not needed, because Generation VIII is already represented by Sword/Shield? I've seen some articles even having separate pictures for D/P and Platinum, but still wanted to ask this to be sure. Sorry if you're not the one to ask this, and could you then refer me to someone who is? Thank you. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 20:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
:If the animation is different between games, then yes, we upload separate images for each game.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

== Mew ==

Ciao! :D Should the recurring Mew from journeys be be moved to it's own page? the MO1 & MO8 Mews have their own pages, and I think the recurring one has appeared enough. what do you think? ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 13:46, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
:I know you've asked Force Fire and not me but personally I feel we should wait until JN134 airs next week before giving Mew its own page.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:20, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
::Sounds good. ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 14:24, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

== Verizion and Suicune ==
Hello, I added stuff to [[Suicune (Pokémon)]] and [[Virizion (Pokémon)]] pages, but it says that my edits got undone by you. Is there a reason why you Undid the edit I made? If so, please tell me why. [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 01:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

:I'm sorry for putting those rumor stuff on the suicune and virizion pages. But, for the pronounciation ones, I'm pretty sure they are official pronunciations, because I have the [[Super Extra Deluxe Essential Handbook]], and in there it has "How To Say It" on the Pokemon, and that is an official Pokémon book. [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 01:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
:: As I've said, the official sources aren't consistent with pronunciation, one book will say one thing, one will say another. An egregious case is the Pokedex 3d pronunciation of Unown, which I think everyone can agree is ridiculous. Also, a staff member has a page for pronunications in their userspace if you're interestrd: [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Pronunciation]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

== Fan stuff (Regional birds) ==

Hi again, I created a page called "Regional birds", and you deleted it, saying: "Fan terminology is not notable." What do you mean? I do not know what you are trying to say, and I said I was going to update it later on! How come you deleted it? [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 23:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
:[[Appendix:Fan terminology|Fan terminology]] is covered in the appendix and is not considered notable enough for its own article in the mainspace. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 23:55, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

== TBR2001 ==

TBR2001 has been extending the "Origins" sections of some Pokémon Masters EX characters, which, while truthful, also seem excessively long. What do you think? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 01:07, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:Yeah, some of them seem to be a bit much, particularly May and Brendan. I think it should be shortened.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:45, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger yet again ==

Once again, AlolanRanger has continued to focus on trivia (which still ranges from dubious to poorly worded/formatted), despite having already been warned multiple times against this. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:30, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:Not to mention adding back in unnotable trivia that they've already tried adding in previously (edit warring) and continuing to add similar trivia to other pages. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:19, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

== KryptonLion is using a multi-account ==

[[User:KryptonLion|KryptonLion]] is using another account ([[User:SleepySheep|SleepySheep]]) as a sockpuppet to get an artificial consensus on the Talk Page of the article
[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_world_in_relation_to_the_real_world#Is_Alfornada_a_city_exclusively_based_on_Portugal.3F_It_doesn.27t_look_like_it_according_to_the_game#Paldea Pokémon world in relation to the real world].

This new account not only has as first and only contribution to agree with KryptonLion in a Talk thread in a moment which new opinions are sought to obtain a consensus, which is already quite suspicious by itself, but also the IP of this new user coincides with that of KryptonLion.

A greeting. [[User:Valentio|Valentio]] ([[User talk:Valentio|talk]])

== Purple Kecleon ==

Hi! After reviewing Bulbapedia's "notability" policies, I realized that Purple Kecleon meets these criteria. I created a sandbox of the page and was wondering if I could publish it. It is linked here: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:ParkerHaley2003/Sandbox/Purple_Kecleon [[User:ParkerHaley2003|ParkerHaley2003]] ([[User talk:ParkerHaley2003|talk]])
:The purple Kecleon didn't really do much, except for battling near the end, so it's not notable. And saying the purple Kecleon in Mystery Dungeon is the same one in the anime is speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 00:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
::Hey, me again! I understand your reasoning, but my article was meant to be about the subject of "Purple Kecleon" and not just the Purple Kecleon that appeared in that specific episode. This is also what I meant for my latest proposal: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:ParkerHaley2003/Sandbox/Orange_Archipelago_Butterfree, which I am also asking if it would be okay to publish. Is there a different infobox I can use if I am not referring to a singular Pokémon? --[[User:ParkerHaley2003]] ([[User talk:ParkerHaley2003|talk]])
:::That Butterfree literally did not do anything of note in its appearances. Not notable. Also, you are also under the assumption that all the Orange Island Butterfree are one and the same, this is speculation as per the {{bp|Speculation policy}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:11, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

== Question ==
Should we have a category for Pokémon that only evolve from regional variants, such as Perrserker, Sirfetch'd, Mr. Rime, Cursola, Obstagoon, Runerigus, Overqwil, Sneasler, Basculegion, and Clodsire? [[User:Buzzfan120|Buzzfan120]] ([[User talk:Buzzfan120|talk]]) 02:54, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

== Inkster and timeline ==

Inkster is constantly editing timeline on the "Core series" article and I don't want to make edit war. Can you decide once and for all if the 12 years gap between gen 4 and 5 is '''fine''' to be stated or not so he won't come back every few days to change something?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

== Spanish and Italian Pokémon name lists ==

I created two pages yesterday that could be mainspaced:
* [[User:Bfdifan2006/List of Italian Pokémon names]]
* [[User:Bfdifan2006/List of Spanish Pokémon names]]

I created both because:
* it's not about just one name ({{p|Type: Null}}'s) being an exception, 15 names are like that now (14 of them are the Paradox mons other than the box legendaries).
* {{u|Raltseye}} already created these in his userspace, but I didn't want to touch that. Plus, he hasn't contributed at all in 2022.
* It's about time that all the exceptions get listed in one place per language that core series games are released in.
--'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 09:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

== "Impossible scenario" (Last Respects) ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Explosion_(move)&diff=3630220&oldid=3630134] According to [[Last Respects]]'s page, if a Pokemon faints and uses a Revive, then faints again, 50 base power gets added twice. Although you'd need 100 Revives and it can't be done against real people, it seems to be possible after all. Just throwing this out there. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 06:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
:In any case, Bulbapedia is not a strategy guide; and it's not like this is something that can feasibly happen in normal gameplay anyway, so I don't think it's notable. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, wasn't aware revived Pokemon that get defeated again also count. So it is doable, just exhaustive. Cheers for explaining how it's doable, probably didn't have to block anyone if it was actually explained.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
:::I should have looked closer. That trivia does fit there. My bad. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 01:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

== Larvitar and Nebby ==

Based on their appearances in [[JN132]], [[JN135]], and [https://twitter.com/anipoke_PR/status/1603698448997310464 promotional material] featuring all of Ash's Pokémon, where do we stand on {{an|Larvitar}} and [[Nebby]] as Ash's Pokémon? Is it possible they're one of those situations like Misty's Togetic where they were never put into a Poké Ball but still count? --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:15, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:Hey, I see you've been active and I was wondering if you maybe missed my message. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 21:52, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

== Edit War Over Trivia ==

Hi! Recently I've met an user ([[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]]) who keeps undoing the changes I made to the Farigiraf's page.

My issue is specifically with the "Origin" section, where the user insists on maintaining a lot of pointless information. These include:

- Wordy, poorly written sentences (i.e. "which are four-horned prehistoric relatives to the modern giraffe (...)" could be trimmed into "four-horned prehistoric relatives of giraffes";

- Random mention of unrelated things like the okapi;

- Linking two non-wikipedia external sites, one of them being a random news site whose contents don't add anything new to what was already mentioned (which imo should be strictly avoided due to ads + the lack of encyclopedic information);

- And even getting to the point of describing what Spain is (yes, the country).

I don't think any of the points mentioned above, which the user keeps readding, are compatible with Bulbapedia's standards as they're lowering the quality of the section through fluff. The user tried engaging with me in my talk page, but seemed to not understand that the issue is all the pointless content they added, not whether or not I agree with the theory presented (anybody can verify that I kept it despite not agreeing with it).

It has become as obnoxious to the point I think staff might be necessary to intervene for a conciliation, and I'd appreciate if you (or someone you reassign the issue to) could do that. Thanks.
[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 14:32, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
:It seems the Spanish connection is the real issue here, which I can understand to a degree, we've had other users adding Spanish/Portuguese influences simply because Paldea is based off the Iberian Peninsula. But I think in this case, it's fine as it's explaining a rather interesting fact that may influence the designers to choose that specific animal.
:I also must agree with Anza about presuming designers don't do their research for their creations. I think that's uncalled for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
::: That's... that's not the issue... Them going to my talk page to ask why I disagree with that theory is unrelated to the reasons I'm editing the page.
::: The problem is the poor formatting of their edit. I don't mind whatever theory they come up with, but I strongly disagree with them overexplaining it and refusing to let people trim out the redundancies.
:::I'd appreciate if we discussed the points I made earlier in this message, rather than a side topic conversation in my talk page.
:::[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 16:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
::::I just noticed you trimmed the parts I had some issue with yourself, thanks. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

== About Appendix:Fan Terminology ==

Hello, I've seen your edit, and you said that too many people try to create this "Early-route Pokémon" page. Why not? It has a lot of Pokémon in that category, and there are pages for other terms, such as "Pseudo-legendary", "Elemental Monkeys" "Hitmons", etc. I would like to know why you think we can't create that page. [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 00:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Early-route Pokémon

2022-12-20T00:56:37Z

IsaacBoi123: I dont know how to add images, but someone else can do that. This took me a lot of work, so If someone could help that would be awesome

Early-route Pokémon, are groups of Pokémon that are found early in the games. There are some fan terms, such as "Regional Birds", are terms that describe a certain type of Pokémon from each region. There are Rodents, Birds, Fish, Bugs, Dogs, Cats, which are the groups of these kinds of Pokémon.
==List of Early-route Pokémon==
===Regional Rodents===
These Pokémon are usually Dark or Normal type, and resemble Rodents.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
![[Generation I]]!![[Generation II]]!![[Generation III]]!!Gen IV!!Gen V!!Gen VI!!Gen VII!!Gen VIII!!Gen IX
|-
|[[Rattata]]||[[Sentret]]||[[Zigzagoon]]||[[Bidoof]]||[[Patrat]]||[[Bunnelby]]||[[Yungoos]]||[[Skwovet]]||[[Lechonk]]
|}
===Regional Birds===
These Pokémon are usually Normal/Flying type, and look like birds.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
![[Generation I]]!![[Generation II]]!![[Generation III]]!!Gen IV!!Gen V!!Gen VI!!Gen VII!!Gen VIII!!Gen IX
|-
|[[Pidgey]]||[[Hoothoot]]||[[Taillow]]||[[Starly]]||[[Pidove]]||[[Fletchling]]||[[Pikipek]]||[[Rookidee]]||[[Wattrel]]
|}
===Regional Bugs===
These Pokémon are usually Bug type, and look like Bugs.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
![[Generation I]]!![[Generation II]]!![[Generation III]]!!Gen IV!!Gen V!!Gen VI!!Gen VII!!Gen VIII!!Gen IX
|-
|[[Caterpie]]||[[Ledyba]]||[[Wurmple]]||[[Kricketot]]||[[Sewaddle]]||[[Scatterbug]]||[[Grubbin]]||[[Blipbug]]||[[Tarountula]]
|-
|[[Weedle]]||[[Spinarak]]||-----------||[[Burmy]]||[[Venipede]]||----------||------------||----------||[[Nymble]]
|}
===Regional Fish===
These Pokémon are usually Water type, and resemble fish.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
![[Generation I]]!![[Generation II]]!![[Generation III]]!!Gen IV!!Gen V!!Gen VI!!Gen VII!!Gen VIII!!Gen IX
|-
|[[Magikarp]]||[[Sentret]]||[[Feebas]]||[[Finneon]]||[[Basculin]]||[[Skrelp]]||[[Wishiwashi]]||[[Arrokuda]]||-------
|}
===Regional Canines===
These Pokémon are usually Normal/Dark type, and resemble Dogs.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
![[Generation I]]!![[Generation II]]!![[Generation III]]!!Gen IV!!Gen V!!Gen VI!!Gen VII!!Gen VIII!!Gen IX
|-
|[[Growlithe]]||[[Houndour]]||[[Poochyena]]||[[Riolu]]||[[Lillipup]]||[[Furfrou]]||[[Rockruff]]||[[Yamper]]||[[Maschiff]]
|-
|---------||--------||------||--------||-------||---------||--------||--------||[[Fidough]]
|}
===Regional Felines===
These Pokémon are usually Normal type, and resemble Cats.
{| class="wikitable"
|-
![[Generation I]]!![[Generation II]]!![[Generation III]]!!Gen IV!!Gen V!!Gen VI!!Gen VII!!Gen VIII!!Gen IX
|-
|[[Meowth]]||-------||[[Skitty]]||[[Glameow]]||[[Purrloin]]||[[Espurr]]||[[Alolan Meowth]]||[[Galarian Meowth]]||
|-
|[[Persian]]||--------||[[Zangoose]]||[[Shinx]]||--------||[[Litleo]]||[[Alolan Persian]]||[[Perrserker]]||
|}

Theia Sky Ruins

2022-12-07T00:01:26Z

IsaacBoi123: adding info

'''Theia Shy Ruins''' is a stadium in [[Pokémon UNITE]]. Players can battle in it when selecting either Ranked Match or Standard Match.
[[File:UNITE Theia Sky Ruins.png|thumb|Full view of Theia Sky Ruins]]
The wild Pokémon in this stadium are:
*[[Baltoy]] evolves into [[Claydol]]
*[[Accelgor]]
*[[Escavalier]]
*[[Swablu]] and [[Altaria]]
*[[Regieleki]] (Mid-boss)
*[[Regice]] (Mid-boss)
*[[Regirock]] (Mid-boss)
*[[Registeel]] (Mid-boss)
*[[Rayquaza]] (Main Boss)

[[Category:Stubs]]
[[es:Ruinas Celestes de Tea]]
[[ja:テイア蒼空遺跡]]
[[zh:媞亚苍空遗迹]]

Aeos Island

2022-12-04T22:21:02Z

IsaacBoi123: added theia sky ruins

{{RegionInfobox
|regioncolor=Orange
|region=no
|name=Aeos Island
|jname=エオス島
|tmname=Aeos Island
|image=None.png
|caption=
|size=150
|introduction=[[Pokémon UNITE]]
|professor=[[Professor Phorus]]
|starter=None
|villain=None
|generation={{gen|VIII}}
|games=[[Pokémon UNITE]]
}}
'''Aeos Island''' (Japanese: '''エオス島''' ''Aeos Island'') is the main setting of [[Pokémon UNITE]]. It is described as a mythical island located on the far, unexplored frontiers of the ocean.

A powerful energy known as Aeos energy permeates the island. Trainers can harness this energy to strengthen their Pokémon and provide them enhanced abilities to compete in Unite Battles, as well as produce holographic clothing known as [[Holowear]] from this energy.

==Locations==
{| class="roundtable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#{{dragon color}}; border:3px solid #{{orange color}}"
! style="background:#{{orange color light}}" | Image
! style="background:#{{orange color light}}" | Stage
! style="background:#{{orange color light}}" | Details
|-
| [[File:UNITE Remoat Stadium.png|200px]]
| [[Remoat Stadium]]
| Duration: 10 Minutes Players: 5 VS 5 Five goal zones per team Used in Standard Battle and Ranked Battle
|-
| [[File:UNITE Auroma Park.png|200px]]
| [[Auroma Park]]
| Duration: 5 Minutes Players: 3 VS 3 Two shared goal zones Used in Quick Battle
|-
| [[File:UNITE Shivre City.png|200px]]
| [[Shivre City]]
| Duration: 5 Minutes Players: 4 VS 4 One goal zone each Used in Quick Battle
|-
| [[File:UNITE Mer Stadium.png|200px]]
| [[Mer Stadium]]
| Duration: 5 Minutes Players: 4 VS 4 Three goal zones per team Used in Quick Battle
|-
| [[File:UNITE Theia Sky Ruins.png|200px]]
| [[Theia Sky Ruins]]
| Duration: 10 Minutes Players: 5 VS 5 Five goal zones per team Used in Standard Battle and Ranked Battle
|}

==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{Orange color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{Dragon color}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| エオス島 ''Aeos Island''
| From ''{{wp|Eos}}'' (Greek goddess of dawn)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English
| Aeos Island
| From ''{{wp|aeon}}'' and ''Eos''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| German
| Aeos-Insel
| From its English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Spanish
| Æos
| From its English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| French
| Île d'Æos
| From its English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Heos
| From Ἕως ''Héōs'' (Eos in {{wp|Attic Greek}})
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 에오스섬 ''Eos Seom''
| Transcription of its Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 億奧斯島 / 亿奥斯岛 ''Yìàosī Dǎo''
| rowspan="2" | From 億 / 亿 ''yì / yīk'' (hundred million) and 艾奧斯 / 艾奥斯 ''Ài'àosī / Ngaaih'ousī'' (Eos)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 億奧斯島 ''Yīk'ousī Dóu''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Brazilian Portuguese
| Ilha de Aeos
| From its English name
|}
{{-}}
{{Regions|dragon}}

[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[Category:Regions]]
[[Category:Islands]]

[[ja:エオス島]]
[[zh:亿奥斯岛]]

Aeos Island

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{{RegionInfobox
|regioncolor=Orange
|region=no
|name=Aeos Island
|jname=エオス島
|tmname=Aeos Island
|image=None.png
|caption=
|size=150
|introduction=[[Pokémon UNITE]]
|professor=[[Professor Phorus]]
|starter=None
|villain=None
|generation={{gen|VIII}}
|games=[[Pokémon UNITE]]
}}
'''Aeos Island''' (Japanese: '''エオス島''' ''Aeos Island'') is the main setting of [[Pokémon UNITE]]. It is described as a mythical island located on the far, unexplored frontiers of the ocean.

A powerful energy known as Aeos energy permeates the island. Trainers can harness this energy to strengthen their Pokémon and provide them enhanced abilities to compete in Unite Battles, as well as produce holographic clothing known as [[Holowear]] from this energy.

==Locations==
{| class="roundtable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#{{dragon color}}; border:3px solid #{{orange color}}"
! style="background:#{{orange color light}}" | Image
! style="background:#{{orange color light}}" | Stage
! style="background:#{{orange color light}}" | Details
|-
| [[File:UNITE Remoat Stadium.png|200px]]
| [[Remoat Stadium]]
| Duration: 10 Minutes Players: 5 VS 5 Five goal zones per team Used in Standard Battle and Ranked Battle
|-
| [[File:UNITE Auroma Park.png|200px]]
| [[Auroma Park]]
| Duration: 5 Minutes Players: 3 VS 3 Two shared goal zones Used in Quick Battle
|-
| [[File:UNITE Shivre City.png|200px]]
| [[Shivre City]]
| Duration: 5 Minutes Players: 4 VS 4 One goal zone each Used in Quick Battle
|-
| [[File:UNITE Mer Stadium.png|200px]]
| [[Mer Stadium]]
| Duration: 5 Minutes Players: 4 VS 4 Three goal zones per team Used in Quick Battle
|-
| [[File:UNITE Theia Sky Ruins.png|200px]]
| [[Theia Shy Ruins]]
| Duration: 10 Minutes Players: 5 VS 5 Five goal zones per team Used in Standard Battle and Ranked Battle
|}
==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{Orange color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{Dragon color}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| エオス島 ''Aeos Island''
| From ''{{wp|Eos}}'' (Greek goddess of dawn)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English
| Aeos Island
| From ''{{wp|aeon}}'' and ''Eos''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| German
| Aeos-Insel
| From its English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Spanish
| Æos
| From its English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| French
| Île d'Æos
| From its English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Heos
| From Ἕως ''Héōs'' (Eos in {{wp|Attic Greek}})
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 에오스섬 ''Eos Seom''
| Transcription of its Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 億奧斯島 / 亿奥斯岛 ''Yìàosī Dǎo''
| rowspan="2" | From 億 / 亿 ''yì / yīk'' (hundred million) and 艾奧斯 / 艾奥斯 ''Ài'àosī / Ngaaih'ousī'' (Eos)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 億奧斯島 ''Yīk'ousī Dóu''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Brazilian Portuguese
| Ilha de Aeos
| From its English name
|}
{{-}}
{{Regions|dragon}}

[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[Category:Regions]]
[[Category:Islands]]

[[ja:エオス島]]
[[zh:亿奥斯岛]]

Theia Sky Ruins

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Kofu

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{{CharInfobox
|color={{water color}}
|corecolor={{water color light}}
|bordercolor={{water color dark}}
|name=Kofu
|jname=ハイダイ
|tmname=Haidai
|slogan=yes
|sloganline=The Surging Chef
|image=Scarlet Violet Kofu.png
|caption=Artwork from Scarlet and Violet
|size=200px
|hometown=[[Cascarrafa]]
|region=[[Paldea]]
|trainer=yes
|leader=yes
|gym=Cascarrafa Gym
|specialist=yes
|type={{t|Water}} types
|game=yes
|generation={{gen|IX}}
|games={{pkmn|Scarlet and Violet}}
|gender=Male
|colors=no
|hair=
|eyes=
|anime=no
|gameanim=no
|pv=no
|}}
'''Kofu''' (Japanese: '''ハイダイ''' ''Haidai'') is a [[Gym Leader]] of [[]]Cascarrafa's [[Gym]], known officially as the Cascarrafa Gym. He [[Type expert|specializes]] in {{type|Water}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

==In the core series==
Kofu is one of the Gym Leaders of the [[Paldea]] region, and he also works as a chef. Though he specializes in seafood cuisine, one of his students, [[Katy]], reveals that he also knows how to bake. Kofu takes great pride in his cooking, using only the best of ingredients for his dishes.

In addition to the Gym Badge, Kofu gives out {{TM|022|Chilling Water}} after defeating him.

===Pokémon===
====Gym battle====
{{Party/Single
|color={{water color}}
|bordercolor={{water color dark}}
|headcolor={{water color light}}
|sprite=VSKofu.png
|size=x100px
|prize={{PDollar}}5,400
|class=Gym Leader
|classlink=Gym Leader
|name=Kofu
|game=SV
|location=Cascarrafa Gym
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=932
|pokemon=Veluza
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Water|type2=Psychic
|ability=Mold Breaker
|move1=Slash|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Pluck|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aqua Cutter|move3type=Water|move3cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=930
|pokemon=Wugtrio
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gooey
|move1=Mud-Slap|move1type=Ground|move1cat=Special
|move2=Water Pulse|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Headbutt|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=740
|pokemon=Crabominable
|level=30
|gender=male
|type1=Fighting|type2=Ice
|tera=Water
|ability=Iron Fist
|move1=Crabhammer|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Rock Smash|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Slam|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

====[[Rematch]]====
{{Party/Single
|color={{water color}}
|bordercolor={{water color dark}}
|headcolor={{water color light}}
|sprite=VSKofu.png
|size=x100px
|prize={{PDollar}}11,880
|class=Gym Leader
|classlink=Gym Leader
|name=Kofu
|game=SV
|location=Cascarrafa Gym
|pokemon=5}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=932
|pokemon=Veluza
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Water|type2=Psychic
|ability=Mold Breaker
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aqua Cutter|move2type=Water|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Psycho Cut|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Night Slash|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=279
|pokemon=Pelipper
|level=65
|gender=female
|type1=Water|type2=Flying
|ability=Drizzle
|move1=Hurricane|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Surf|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Blizzard|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=930
|pokemon=Wugtrio
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gooey
|move1=Triple Dive|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Throat Chop|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Sucker Punch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stomping Tantrum|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|color={{water color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=693
|pokemon=Clawitzer
|level=65
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Mega Launcher
|move1=Water Pulse|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dark Pulse|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dragon Pulse|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aura Sphere|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Special}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/9
|game=SV
|ndex=740
|pokemon=Crabominable
|level=66
|gender=male
|type1=Fighting|type2=Ice
|tera=Water
|ability=Iron Fist
|move1=Crabhammer|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Ice Hammer|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Zen Headbutt|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Artwork==

==Quotes==
;[[Cascarrafa]]
:''"Vaultin’ {{p|Veluza}}! I’m late! I’m late!"''
;[[Porto Marinada]]
* Before challenging the {{tc|Gym Trainer}}
:''"Vaultin’ Veluza! Where?! Where in the world...?"''
:''"Where in the world is my wallet?!"''
:''"Without my wallet, I won’t be able to get today’s hot item! It’ll get bought up by someone else!"''
:''"*sniffle*"''
* After defeating the Gym Trainer
:''"Heya, step right up...and tell me—what’s all the ruckus about over here?"''
:''"What’s that, now? A customer here for little ol’ walletless, moneyless me? What kin I do for ya?"''
:''"Vaultin’ Veluza! My wallet!"''
:''"Say what, now? My lobby staffer sent ya out here to bring it to me?"''
:''"Gahaha! That’s a huge help! Thanks for comin’ all this way!"''
:''"I guess I should apologize for my li’l apprentice, too. Hope he didn’t bother ya too much!"''
:''"There’s somethin’ here at the Porto Marinada auction that we really wanna get our hands on."''
:''"So, as you kin imagine, we were both a bit worked up to find I’d forgotten my wallet!"''
:''"Hmmm?"''
:''"Vaultin’ Veluza!"''
:''"I don’ even have to touch it—I can see it’s got the springy texture of seaweed chock-full o’ nutrients!"''
:''"An’ just look at it! Look how it catches the light and shines so brilliantly!"''
:''"Ohhh, and that rich, fresh aroma of somethin’ plucked straight outta the ocean!"''
:''"I need to get me some o’ that!"''
:''"Now listen, kid. If you wanna challenge me at the Cascarrafa Gym, you’re gonna need some smarts."''
:''"And this is the perfect place to test ya! Get the winnin’ bid on that seaweed for this ol’ man!"''
::'''What’s a “winning bid”?''': ''"Well, ya see...here at the auction, you gotta compete with other customers for goods! You gotta be aware of how much money ya have, o’ course, but the person who bids the highest price gets to buy whatever’s on sale!"''
::'''OK! I’ll give it my best shot!''': ''"Gahaha! You already know the ins an’ outs of auctions at such a young age? You’re somethin’ else, kid!"''
:''"Here ya are. Fightin’ funds for the auction! Be smart with it, an’ win this ol’ man that seaweed!"''
* After passing the Gym Challenge
:''"That was amazin’! You put those grown-up bidders to shame with yer biddin’ skills!"''
:''"Thank ya for winnin’ that seaweed for this ol’ man. I’ll be takin’ it now, if ya don’t mind."''
:''"This seaweed’s a great catch! I’d be feelin’ low as the seabed if I’d failed to get my hands on it!"''
:''"If there’s any o’ that money I gave ya left, feel free to keep it as a tip! You kin even use it to try yer hand at the auction again if ya like!"''
:''"All righty. I’mma head on back to the Cascarrafa Gym now."''
:''"Ol’ man Kofu’s gonna prepare a REEL good battle fer ya! See ya there!"''
;[[Cascarrafa Gym]]
* Before battle
:''"Sorry, everybody! I’ve got some business to take care of as Gym Leader real quick-like!"''
:''"I’m keepin’ someone waitin’, ya see. Please forgive me. I need to do this first!"''
:''"Heya, step right up! I’ve been waitin’ for ya."''
:''"Thanks for the help over in Porto Marinada! You did a mighty fine job!"''
:''"And now that I’ve got that legendary seaweed, I kin make some real quality dishes with it!"''
:''"But don’ expect me to go easy on ya in our battle here!"''
:''"At the auction, we battle with buyin’ and sellin’. At my Gym, we battle in a more traditional sense!"''
:''"Moves and tactics—ever-changin’ as the raging sea!"''
:''"I’mma serve you a full course o’ Water-type Pokémon! Don’t try to eat ’em, though!"''
* In battle
:''"I feel a bit indebted to ya, but don’t expect me to go easy on ya just ’cause o’ that!"''
* Before sending out final Pokémon
:''"The tides ebb and flow! It’s time for a raging tidal surge!"''
* Upon [[Terastal]]lizing his {{p|Crabominable}}
:''"Prepare the rigging for a big transformation! My Pokémon’s gon’ rock the boat!"''
* Upon using Terastal move
:''"One ol’ man Kofu special, comin’ right up! Hang on tight or get swept away by the Surging Chef!"''
* Upon being defeated
:''"Vaultin’ Veluza! Yer a lively one, aren’t ya! A little TOO lively, if I do say so myself!"''
* After being defeated
:''"Gahaha! A loss as refreshing as the air at the morning market!"''
:''"I'm just like a helpless little Magikarp to you, eh? Floppin' around all willy-nilly!"''
:''"You got me good, I tell ya! What a great catch you are!"''
:''"Just like a master fisher, ya held on tight till the last second and reeled in victory!"''
:''"Now it's time to hand over a Gym Badge to ya! And let's get a REEL good photo together usin' a pose I've been wantin' to try out for a while now!"''
:''"With <number of Badges> Gym {{tt|Badge/Badges|Depends how many badges player has}} in yer possession, Pokémon of up to Lv. <level> will be easier to catch and'll listen to ya when you ask 'em to do things!"'' (If the player has less than eight Badges)
:''"With 8 Gym Badges in yer possession, you kin catch Pokémon of any level, and they'll all listen to ya when you ask 'em to do things, too!"'' (If the player has eight Badges)
:''"Lemme throw this in too as an extra-special bonus! I'm sure you kin make good use of it!"''
:''"All righty. It's about time I headed on back to my restaurant and got to preppin' for the next wave!"''
:''"You come back to see me again now, ya hear?"''

;[[Cascarrafa]]
:''"Heya! Step right up! Welcome to the Cascarrafa Gym!"''
:''"Vaultin' Veluza! Look who it is! I was expectin' someone else!"''
::'''Either way:''' ''"Aha! I see! Ms. Geeta put you up to this, did she?"''
:''"It feels like just yesterday that you were out collectin' yer badges, and now look at ya—already Champion Rank!"''
:''"You're like one o' those fish Pokémon that completely changes shape and name as it evolves! All full o' life. What a great catch!"''
:''"And now this! Our promising up-and-comer, here to test my abilities herself/himself!"''
:''"Don't worry—this ol' man's used to facin' harsh reviewers. Part o' the restaurant business."''
:''"All righty, then. You ready to battle this ol' man and see if he's still fit to be called Gym Leader?"''
::'''Yes''' ''"That's what I like to hear! Right this way!"''

;[[Cascarrafa Gym]] rematch
* Before battle
:''"Ever since ya fought for that choice seaweed for me, all my dishes usin' it have been big hits!"''
:''"Thanks for that! Guess it's no surprise you did so well—what with bein' worthy of Champion Rank!"''
:''"Goodness gracious, but do I ever meet all kinds of people while doin' this job."''
:''"I've seen people like yerself who run full speed ahead like a ragin' river, and plenty o' people who settle down like a calm lake."''
:''"We older folk tend to prefer the latter, o' course, but this ol' man himself finds that a bit dull."''
:''"Rivers flow into the ocean. That water then climbs up into the clouds an' becomes rain."''
:''"I am Kofu the Torrent! Ever changin'—just like water! Now come see what I'm made of!"''
* In battle
:''"Good ingredients don't need no cover-up spices! Get ready for fresh, raw ol' man Kofu!"''
* Before sending out final Pokémon
:''"Gahaha! Batten down the hatches and prepare for a storm! This's what makes battling excitin'!"''
* Upon Terastallizing his Crabominable
:''"A Crabominable Terastallizing! Think outside the crab trap, I say!"''
* Upon using Terastal move
:''"Better get a big breath o' air, 'cause yer about to get hit by a surgin' wave!"''
* Upon being defeated
:''"What a refreshin' loss! My mind's as clear as still water!"''
* After being defeated
:''"You really put the pressure on! Guess I should've expected no less from someone with La Primera's seal of approval! What a catch!"''
:''"The wildest currents—for better or worse—pull in everythin' around 'em and have really wild and drastic effects on their surroundin's!"''
:''"That makes those friends o' yours who stay by your side all the more important."''
:''"Phew! Your youthful vigor's got my motivation flowin' up like a rising tide!"''
:''"Next time you see Ms. Geeta, tell 'er that ol' man Kofu's flowin' and crashin' more than ever!"''
:''"Don't forget to tell 'er, young friend! And you come back to see me again, now, ya hear?"''


==Trivia==
*Kofu's {{p|Crabominable}} with the Water Tera type may be based on the common misconception that all crustacean and fish Pokémon are {{type|Water}}. Its {{p|Crabrawler|pre-evolution}} can also be found at beaches and relates to his seafood profession.

==Names==
{| class="roundtable" style="background:#{{water color light}}; border:3px solid #{{water color dark}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| ハイダイ ''Haidai''
| From 海帶 / 海带 ''hǎidài'' (Chinese for {{wp|kelp}})
|-
| English
| Kofu
| From ''{{wp|kombu}}''
|-
| German, French
| Kombu
| From ''kombu''
|-
| Spanish
| Fuco
| Similar to his English name or from ''{{wp|fuco}}'' ({{wp|Fucus|wrack}})
|-
| Italian
| Algaro
| From ''{{wp|algae|alga}}''
|-
| Korean
| 곤포 ''Konpo''
| From 곤포 (昆布) ''konpo'' (kombu)
|-
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 海岱 ''Hǎidài''
| rowspan="2" | From 海帶 / 海带 ''hǎidài / hóidaai'' (kelp)
|-
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 海岱 '''Hóidoih''
|}

==Related articles==
* [[a:Category:Kofu|Images on the Bulbagarden Archives]]

==References==
<references/>
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{{Gym Leaders of Paldea}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Scarlet and Violet characters]]
[[Category:Gym Leaders]]
[[Category:Water-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Trainers with Tera Orbs]]

[[de:Kombu]]
[[es:Fuco]]
[[fr:Kombu]]
[[it:Algaro]]
[[ja:ハイダイ]]
[[zh:海岱]]

Herba Mystica

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'''Herba Mystica''' is a special [[Ingredient]] in [[Pokémon Scarlet and Violet]], they are a type of plant found throughout [[Paldea]]. It allows the player to enhance their cooking and their food, improving their Pokémon's [[stats]].

They are obtainable by the through [[Terastal phenomenon|Tera]] raiding, Or by defeating the [[Titan Pokémon]] that guard them.
== Variants ==
* to get the Sweet Variant, player needs to defeat a Titan Pokémon, {{p|Klawf}}.
* to get the Bitter Variant, player needs to defeat a Titan Pokémon, {{p|Bombirdier}}.
* to get the Salty Variant, player needs to defeat a Titan Pokémon, {{p|Orthworm}}.
* to get the Sour Variant, player needs to defeat a Titan [[Paradox Pokémon|Paradox]] Pokémon, {{p|Great Tusk}}/{{p|Iron Treads}}
* to get the Spicy Variant, player needs to defeat a Titan Pokémon, {{p|Dondozo}} and {{p|Tatsugiri}}

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{black color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{black color}}"
|-
| width="150px" style="background: #{{Sweet color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Sweet Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
| width="150px" style="background: #{{Bitter color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Bitter Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
| width="150px" style="background: #{{Dry color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Salty Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
| width="150px" style="background: #{{Sour color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Sour Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
| width="150px" style="background: #{{Spicy color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Spicy Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
|-
| style="background: #{{Sweet color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Sweet color dark}}|Sweet Herba Mystica}}
| style="background: #{{Bitter color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Bitter color dark}}|Bitter Herba Mystica}}
| style="background: #{{Dry color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Dry color dark}}|Salty Herba Mystica}}
| style="background: #{{Sour color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Sour color dark}}|Sour Herba Mystica}}
| style="background: #{{Spicy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Spicy color dark}}|Spicy Herba Mystica}}
|}

[[Category:Ingredients]]

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== Pronunciations ==
Hi there, we don't allow pronunciations as official sources are not consistent with them. Arcues being the main problem, with two or three pronunciations. How fans pronounce them does not make them official in any way, and thus falls under speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:09, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

== Virizion and Suicune ==

I've wrote the reasons down in the edit summaries, but to reiterate, their "paradox form" aren't actual Pokémon yet so theu don't belong on those respective pages, the paradox Pokémon page sure. Also, saying that there are rumors of them being DLC is fan speculation, which does not belong on main articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:14, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

== "You" ==

Please avoid using "you" and "your" in articles, and avoid making sentences that comes off as an opinion. Bulbapedia is not a walkthrough or a strategy guide, so articles should be written as neutral as possible without adding in opinions. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:55, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will keep that in mind. I do not know that much about editing, so I'm sorry. I'll try my best to put in as many info as I can. :) [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 18:05, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Herba Mystica

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'''Herba Mystica''' is a special [[Ingredient]] in [[Pokémon Scarlet and Violet]], they are a type of plant found throughout [[Paldea]]. It allows the player to enhance their cooking and their food, improving their Pokémon's [[stats]].

They are obtainable by the through [[Terastal phenomenon|Tera]] raiding, Or by defeating the [[Titan Pokémon]] that guard them.
==Variants==
*To get the Sweet Variant, You must defeat a Titan Pokémon, {{p|Klawf}}.
*To get the Spicy Variant, You must defeat a Titan Pokémon, {{p|Orthworm}}.

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| width="150px" style="background: #{{Sweet color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Sweet Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
| width="150px" style="background: #{{Bitter color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Bitter Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
| width="150px" style="background: #{{Dry color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Salty Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
| width="150px" style="background: #{{Sour color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Sour Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
| width="150px" style="background: #{{Spicy color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Bag Spicy Herba Mystica SV Sprite.png|100px]]
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| style="background: #{{Sweet color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Sweet color dark}}|Sweet Herba Mystica}}
| style="background: #{{Bitter color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Bitter color dark}}|Bitter Herba Mystica}}
| style="background: #{{Dry color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Dry color dark}}|Salty Herba Mystica}}
| style="background: #{{Sour color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Sour color dark}}|Sour Herba Mystica}}
| style="background: #{{Spicy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|{{Spicy color dark}}|Spicy Herba Mystica}}
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[[Category:Ingredients]]

Herba Mystica

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Pokémon Scarlet and Violet

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IsaacBoi123: Fixing links

2022-12-01T23:54:19Z

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{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Fighting}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/GO|species=Falinks}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Fighting|prevnum=869|prev=Alcremie|nextnum=871|next=Pincurchin|roundleft=bl|roundright=br}}
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{{Pokémon Infobox
|name=Falinks
|jname=タイレーツ
|jtranslit=Tairētsu
|tmname=Tairetsu
|ndex=870
|type1=Fighting
|category=Formation
|height-ftin=9'10"
|height-m=3.0
|weight-lbs=136.7
|weight-kg=62.0
|abilityn=d
|ability1=Battle Armor
|abilityd=Defiant
|egggroupn=2
|egggroup1=Fairy
|egggroup2=Mineral
|eggcycles=25
|evtotal=3
|evat=2
|evsd=1
|expyield=165
|lv100exp=1,000,000
|gendercode=255
|color=Yellow
|catchrate=45
|body=11
|pokefordex=falinks
|generation=8
|friendship=50
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'''Falinks''' (Pronounciation: FAY-links) ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''タイレーツ''' ''Tairetsu'') is a {{type|Fighting}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} introduced in [[Generation VIII]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

==Biology==
Falinks is a group of small, bipedal {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. A single Falinks is a formation of six individuals, similar to {{p|Exeggcute}}. It consists of five troopers and a leader, known as "the brass". Falinks usually march in a single file line headed by the brass, giving their formation the appearance of a caterpillar. However, Falinks occasionally break their formation to attack. They are gender unknown and have no visible mouths.

The six members rely on teamwork as their strategy to win battles, and constantly change formation when they fight. The five troopers follow their brass loyally, and the brass's orders are considered absolute by them. Falinks are capable of fitting into small holes, as shown in {{rt|8|Galar}}, where they can be seen marching and charging through small caves and crevices.

An individual Falinks trooper has a black, spherical body with two stout, trunk-like legs. They also have blue, ovular eyes which can either be interpreted as having white pupils or glowing slightly from their dark body. Each trooper has a golden, armored shell resembling a Spartan helmet that covers their dorsal half. This shell is topped with a red crest that terminates in an anterior horn and flanks the lateral sides of the trooper with two horned plates resembling shields. Each of these shields features a red, central horn ringed in white. Each trooper also has a small red horn on their posterior resembling a tail.

The Falinks brass is larger than its five troopers, and is the strongest and smartest of the group. It has a larger crest with an extendable horn it uses to attack and issue orders. The horn is supported by a golden anterior strut absent in the troopers. The brass's golden shell extends to the ventral half of its body. Unlike its troopers, the brass's lateral shields can be opposed. The brass's shields are often chipped or nicked. When Falinks is marching in formation, the brass holds its two shields in front of its face.

Falinks is the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] capable of learning the move {{m|No Retreat}}.

==In the anime==
[[File:Goh Falinks.png|thumb|250px|Falinks in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
===Major appearances===
A {{DL|List of Goh's Pokémon|Falinks}} made its main series debut in ''[[JN073|Grabbing the Brass Ring!]]'', where it was caught by [[Goh]].

===Minor appearances===
Falinks debuted in ''[[M23|Secrets of the Jungle]]''.

A Falinks appeared in ''[[JN085|Battle Three With Bea!]]'', under the ownership of [[Bea]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Galar}}
{{Animedexbody|JN073|Falinks|Goh's Rotom Phone|Falinks, the Formation Pokémon. A {{t|Fighting}} type. Falinks has a leader called the brass, and five followers called troopers. The brass gives all the orders.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Galar}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Casey Giga.png|thumb|200px|Falinks in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
[[Casey Shield|Casey]]'s Falinks, [[nickname]]d Giga, first appeared in ''[[PASS05|Ooh Shiny!! Legendary Equipment]]''.
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==In the TCG==
{{main|Falinks (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=Fighting}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=VIII}}
{{Dex/Gen/3|gen=VIII|reg1=Galar|num1=345|reg2=Sinnoh|reg3=Hisui}}
{{Dex/NE|[[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl]], and [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus|Legends: Arceus]]}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Sword|entry=Five of them are troopers, and one is the brass. The brass's orders are absolute.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Shield|entry=The six of them work together as one Pokémon. Teamwork is also their battle strategy, and they constantly change their formation as they fight.}}
|}
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{{Dex/Gen/1|gen=IX|reg1=Paldea|num1=300}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The brass, which is the one that stands at the front and issues orders, is the strongest and smartest of the six.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=The leader, known as the brass, uses its extendible horn to issue orders to the others when it's time to change formation.}}
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{{Dex/Footer}}
{|style="margin:auto; text-align:center; border:3px solid #{{fighting color dark}}; background:#{{fighting color}}; font-size:80%; border-radius: 10px"
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| style="{{roundy|0px}} border-radius: 5px; border:2px solid #{{fighting color light}}; background:#{{fighting color light}}| [[File:Pokedex Image Falinks SV.png|x200px]]
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| Falinks in the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Paldea Pokédex number|Paldea Pokédex}}
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===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=Fighting}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=VIII}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VIII}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Sword|v2=Shield|area=[[Galar Route 8|Route 8]], [[Lake of Outrage]] [[Dusty Bowl/Dens|Dusty Bowl]], [[North Lake Miloch/Dens|North Lake Miloch]], [[Rolling Fields/Dens|Rolling Fields]], [[Stony Wilderness/Dens|Stony Wilderness]] ([[Max Raid Battle]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Expansion Pass|color={{galar color}}|link=Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass|area=[[Max Lair]] ([[Dynamax Adventure]])}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Brilliant Diamond|v2=Shining Pearl|area=Unobtainable}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Legends: Arceus|area=Unobtainable}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}



===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Stats
|type=Fighting
|HP=65
|Attack=100
|Defense=100
|SpAtk=70
|SpDef=60
|Speed=75
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Fighting
|Normal=100
|Fighting=100
|Flying=200
|Poison=100
|Ground=100
|Rock=50
|Bug=50
|Ghost=100
|Steel=100
|Fire=100
|Water=100
|Grass=100
|Electric=100
|Psychic=200
|Ice=100
|Dragon=100
|Dark=50
|Fairy=200
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/9|Falinks|Fighting|Fighting|8}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Tackle|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|5|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|10|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level9|15|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level9|20|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level9|25|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|30|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|35|First Impression|Bug|Physical|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|40|No Retreat|Fighting|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level9|45|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level9|50|Close Combat|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|55|Megahorn|Bug|Physical|120|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|60|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/levelf/9|Falinks|Fighting|Fighting|8}}

====By [[TM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/9|Falinks|Fighting|Fighting|8}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM001|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM004|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM007|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM020|Trailblaze|Grass|Physical|50|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM025|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM036|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM047|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM049|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM050|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM053|Smart Strike|Steel|Physical|70|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM057|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM058|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM059|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM064|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM066|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM070|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM083|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM085|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM086|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM088|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM089|Body Press|Fighting|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM099|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM103|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM104|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM130|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM134|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM152|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM158|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM163|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM167|Close Combat|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM171|Tera Blast|Normal|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tmf/9|Falinks|Fighting|Fighting|8}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/9|Falinks|Fighting|Fighting|8}}
{{learnlist/breed9null}}
{{learnlist/breedf/9|Falinks|Fighting|Fighting|8}}

===Side game data===
{{Spindata/Head|type=Fighting|}}
{{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Fighting|ndex=870
|egg=N/A
|buddy=5
|candy=Falinks
|evolution=N/A
|stamina=163
|attack=193
|defense=170
|fast={{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Counter}}
|special={{m|Superpower}}, {{m|Brick Break}}, {{m|Megahorn}}
}}
|}

===Evolution===
{{evobox-1
|type1=Fighting
|pictype=art
|no1=870
|name1=Falinks
|type1-1=Fighting}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Fighting}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=VIII}}
{{Spritebox/8|ndex=870}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|870|Falinks}}

==Trivia==
* Despite {{stat|Special Defense}} being its lowest stat, Falinks awards Special Defense {{EV}}s when it is defeated.
* Falinks was designed by [[Yusuke Kozaki]].<ref>[https://twitter.com/kymg/status/1341384533459910656 Tweet by コザキユースケ/Yusuke Kozaki (@kymg).] Posted on December 22, 2020.</ref>

===Origin===
Falinks may be inspired by a group of soldiers in the {{wp|phalanx}} formation, where each unit is lined up close together and cover all sides with their shields, which Falinks's limbs resemble. The individual units resemble {{wp|Sparta}}n helmets during the period of {{wp|Ancient Rome}}, adorned with golden plates and red crests. It may also be inspired by the {{wp|Legio IX Hispana}}, also known as the 9th Roman Legion or the Lost Legion, which mysteriously disappeared in Britain around 120 AD.

It may also take inspiration from {{wp|eusociality}}, a kind of social animal behavior found in certain insects, crustaceans, and mammals characterized by, among other things, the division of labor of the members of the colony, which are sometimes called castes, like soldiers, workers, and the queen. In Falinks's case, the castes are the troopers and the brass.

In addition, Falinks may be inspired by an {{wp|Vanessa (butterfly)|admiral caterpillar}}.

====Name origin====
Falinks may be a combination of ''{{wp|phalanx}}'', ''family'', and ''link'' (chain link).

Tairetsu may be derived from 隊列 ''tairetsu'' (a rank or formation of troops).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=Fighting|type2=Fighting
|ja=タイレーツ ''Tairetsu''|jameaning=From {{tt|隊列 ''tairetsu''|a rank or formation of troops}}
|fr=Hexadron|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|hexa-|prefix for six}}'' and ''{{tt|escadron|squadron}}''
|es=Falinks|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Legios|demeaning=From ''Legion''
|it=Falinks|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=대여르 ''Daeyeoreu''|komeaning=From {{tt|대열 (隊列) ''daeyeol''|troop formation}}
|zh_cmn=列陣兵 / 列阵兵 ''Lièzhènbīng''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|列陣 / 列阵 ''lièzhèn''|battle formation}} and {{tt|兵 ''bīng''|soldier}}
|zh_yue=列陣兵 ''Lihtjahnbīng''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|列陣 ''lihtjahn''|battle formation}} and {{tt|兵 ''bīng''|soldier}}
|th=ไทเรสึ ''Thairesue''|thmeaning=Transcription of Japanese name
}}
{{-}}

==Related articles==

==References==
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==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Fighting}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Fighting|prevnum=869|prev=Alcremie|nextnum=871|next=Pincurchin}}
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User talk:Force Fire/Archive 13

2022-12-01T23:50:40Z

IsaacBoi123: /* Fan stuff (Regional birds) */ new section

{{User:Force Fire/Archive}}

== Suggestions ==

Hi! Where could I submit suggestions for the editorial board to consider? I've just finished completing the learnsets for every move in LA and with that I'd like to drastically overhaul/simplify how the move learnset templates look. It'd be a lot of work, but there is plenty of time until the next games. I already discussed the matter with [[User:SnorlaxMonster]] who broadly supported it, so I'd like to start the official process of having my suggestions evaluated/fine-tuned/accepted. You can find everything you need to know [[User:Oneofthosedf/Sandbox|in my sandbox]].

Another suggestion would be using galleries when we list the confirmed Pokémon an artist has designed. This seems pretty straight-forward to me, I hope I don't need to list reasons as to why. It would really help people understand and appreciate the artists more.

[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] ([[User talk:Oneofthosedf|talk]]) 20:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

:Could I at least get an answer? Or could you redirect me to a person who can help me with the process?

: '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]] 15:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
::Apologies for the late response. I'll briefly go over your points. Point 1 and 4 seem to go hand in hand, I wouldn't mind using the sugimori artwork in favor of the menusprites for single image templates. Using them for a list makes the template look larger than it needs to be, so menusprites (being smaller) works better imo. As for the types, the older ones are preferred because the text is larger than those on the newer symbols. The new symbol may look nicer but it doesn't help those unaware of what those smbol represents.
::For points 2 and 3, Maahirmomtaz is in the wrong here. I have no idea why they are making those edits and someone should ask them why on their talk page. If they doesn't respond, then staff can make them respond. Using the sup template for game specific moves is indeed how we do things. Though I do agree that it has recently gotten ridiculous, and your templates are indeed a better way of showing them. I don't think having both games and generations in one header would be confusing, as long as the reader understands the purpose of such layout.
::For point 5, I'm 50/50 on it. I think they should be separated for being completely different learning methods, but I can understand merging them to save space.
::As for the galleries, eh. We don't do that for voice actor articles, so I don't think it's worth doing it for the designer articles. Just bloats the article up, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response. I hope I didn't come off as arrogant, but I'm just used to sending a reminder to offices IRL. There was no frustration behind it.
:::The two points that I care about most are #3 and #5, the ones that would require the most work and the ones that are most needed. I'll address all of them one by one briefly.
:::'''1:''' I just think the different line heights look pretty jarring. Consistency is always the best, and considering we can fix all the templates that use menusprites this easily, it should be done. I do dislike that all of them need to be 68x68, but that's life. Nothing we can do about that (unless of course we move away from pixel art, which gives us endless sclability options).
:::'''2&3:''' I think they noticed the situation getting ridiculous as well. If my suggestions are accepted, we would only need to use the superscripts for the few forms and new Pokémon that were introduced in Pt, B2W2, ORAS and USUM. I trust the reader will understand it. But we can always leave a note in the footer explaining that Gen VII and Gen VIII needed to be broken up.
:::'''4:''' I think the era of menusprites is over. We'll inevitably get confirmation in a few months when the SV trailers start to showcase some gameplay. But neither BDSP nor LA uses them anymore. I think it's done. Consistency is always the best move, and a core quality of Bulbapedia. I love the spritework personally, but they don't look as good on the Switch as they do on Bulbapedia. We can't keep using menusprites and the LA headshots with whatever SV will introduce, then a possible fourth artstyle by the end of 2023. I understand the issue with the Sugimori artworks taking up too much place, but technically they wouldn't. There would be just less white spaces. I pray for a game where every Pokémon is available again (mainly for this reason), but until then the Sugimori artworks are the only thing every Pokémon has (Eiscue forms and Galarian Zen Darmanitan don't need to be incldued, thankfully). I also don't think they look bad, I can try making a longer list with 100+ Pokémon if that's something you think would be more convincing.
:::'''4:''' As for the type bars, I'm not sure that I understand your complaint. I don't see why we'd need to use the ones from 2006. AFAIK the Fairy type bars are fan-made. My sandbox displays the version with the type names. They are perfectly legible, and the symbols aren't too small either. The colors broadly fit the colors Bulbapedia uses as well. We should move away from pixel art, because monitors with higher resolutions don't accommodate them too well. I need to zoom out a whole lot for them to look crisp. Ironically the type bars I am using are now obsolete as well, BDSP, LA and SV use a new version, so I shall implement those (though I'd need permission to remove the dead space around them).
:::'''5:''' This is partly about future-proofing, partly about reducing bloat, and partly about displaying information as neatly as possible. I am certain we will get new learning/tutoring methods later down the line, and we don't need another section for Giga Drain with 300+ entries that contains the same information. It also addressed the issue with moves that keep going for TMs to tutors to TRs, then back to tutors, etc. I don't think it would be confusing at all.
:::'''Galleries:''' I wouldn't want them to be used on voice actor pages either, utterly useless IMO. I think there is a stronger argument for displaying artworks on the pages of the designers. A list just feels lifeless, while a gallery feels respectful to the artists, and helps users understand their design philosophy.
:::I want to get as much input from experienced users as possible. I really want these changes to accommodate everyone, since I think this is the way going forward and something no other big sites have. How should I go about gaining supporters for this? I refrained from writing individual community members as I feel that constitutes as spam. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 12:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Your posts doesn't seem arrogant or confrontational at all. I can understand wanting to bump a discussion when an admin doesn't respond to it. If you want to reach out to more users but not spam multiple talk pages, you can always use the [[Editor's hub]] talk page. Though going to a staff member works just as well, as they will most likely relay the message onto the other staff members in the staff discord.
::::1: Nothing we can do if the images are of varying sizes. We can't expand the smallest menusprite to be the same size as the largest menusprite.
::::2/3: Seems we are in agreement on this. I don't mind separate columns within a generation for separate games.
::::4: I was actually under the impression that the artwork would make the other cells have more whitespace than needed as opposed to menusprites, but checking now, doesn't seem to be the case. Probably is more ideal looking comparing the two again.
::::4: As for the types, (if I remember correctly) that was what was mentioned as the reason for using the older type images in a staff chat. The text would appear too small in the size we would have them, as opposed to the older images where the text were essentially the image. It's probably fine for mobile, but not so much for desktop.
::::5: Yeah, not entirely against reducing repeated information, so I won't be bother if we do decide to merge them together.
::::Galleries: That's understandable. I think having the images be smaller would change my mind, just having them how it is on your page makes it seem cluttered.
::::And just a couple points about your templates: I think leaving the tutor/tm/tr row white works best to avoid color clashes (using EP for IoA may or may not be confused with CT, unless there's not much of a difference in movesets), and leaving out games where the move isn't coded in makes sense (though I think a note in the footnote might be best to avoid confused users asking questions).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::1: I was thinking about what we have on the [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl]] page. The version-exclusive list already uses the Moveevtrytm template, so we'd only need to change the headers (I think). The images are not altered, only centered. I am not exactly sure which part of the code makes them appear this way, but you can't deny that it looks more cohesive.
:::::4: Here is an image (https://imgur.com/n0czury) I want you to look at. I use 2560x1440 monitors and at default zoom, everything on Bulbapedia appears to me as it does in the bottom row. Amazing for artworks. So much detail. Terrible for spritework, unfortunately. In order to enjoy them, I need to use 80% zoom (the standard for smaller resolutions), which makes everything tiny. You can also compare the readability of the type bars on the image. Exact same font height. I think one can read both just fine. By completely getting rid of spritework, we now have a zoom-proof wiki. People who are hard of seeing can now freely zoom in without the fear of blurry pixelart. So my proposal actually accommodates readability, if you think about it. It also shows that we don't need to stick with 68px, we can go smaller, if we want to further reduce scrolling. Or we can use 70px on move pages, but go with 50px for the headers on Pokémon pages. Endless possibilities. It would need some manual work, since the naming conventions for menusprites and Sugimori artwork are different, but that's part of future-proofing.
:::::Galleries: Okay, I'll make some variations. I just used the default Bulbapedia gallery, I'm fine with scaling down.
:::::IoA is unfortunately completely unreadable on a white background, and since it's neither a game, neither a separate DLC, using the EP superscript is more accurate. We don't list the tutor locations on the move pages (not in this case), so it doesn't matter whether it's obvious that the tutors are available on the IoA or the CT. Anyone who has access to one of them, automatically can access the other. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 15:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::1:The way it's done on the bdsp article is indeed good, that's because the moveentry template has the image align-centered and at a height of 70px. I should note that I'm under the impression that the problem here is the size discrepancy between menusprites, hence "Nothing we can do if the images are of varying sizes." The LA menusprites, on the other hand, would lean me towards using sugimori art due to them being way different than the usual menusprites.
::::::4:Seems you're using a slightly bigger screen that me. But still, for me at least, menusprites or sugimori artwork still look completely fine regardless of 80% or 100% scale. But I am leaning towards sugimori art. As for type images, I still stand by using the older ones. Same as the menusprite vs artwork, I personally can see both just fine regardless of scale, but the text of the newer images being slightly squished to make way for the symbol wuld make it slightly harder to read.
::::::Galleries: They look fine now. TRG didn't really need to add examples of other designers, just one example is fine. If you are fine with the approval of one admin, you can go ahead and add the galleries.
::::::Fair enough, I don't have much else to say about the templates design wise, so they're fine by me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks, my next post will be on the [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Editor's Hub]]. I am 100% on the side of using Sugimori, so I'm happy with your replies. My original idea for the type bars was just to use the highlighted texts we use everywhere else on Bulbapedia. I don't know if their implementation is feasible, but I'll ask around and if it is, I'll throw it in the suggestion. I'm thinking of something like this (visual edit, not coded): https://imgur.com/msd1Gzi. I'll go ahead and add the galleries, and I'm thankful for TRG, because they did save me a lot of work. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 14:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Hey! I finally posted my full suggestion on the [[Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Editor's Hub]]. '''[[User:Oneofthosedf|Oneofthosedf]] [[User talk:Oneofthosedf|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oneofthosedf|(contribs)]]''' 22:20, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

== Designers ==

I had a thought that it would be nicer to find all designers by giving them navigation infobox. I made it here, can I add it? [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Team_Rocket_Grunt&oldid=3489199#Designer_Template]--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
:Sure. Surprised we don't already have a category for them as well, though both a nav box and category would probably be redundant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 12:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

== Reverting literally all of my edits ==

ForceFire, why are you reverting literally all of my edits you notice? You seem to be biased against me like I'm an undercover Soviet (which I am NOT!). Can you please explain this? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 18:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:I monitor the recent changes regularly and check edits that catch my attention, especially if it's a user that has made problematic edits in the past. You are not the first user that I have monitored the edits of.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:20, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

But why are you calling literally all my edits problematic? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 19:21, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:Because you've either A)[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Earth_Power_(move)&diff=prev&oldid=3487028 added] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Flygon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=3476113 very] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Giratina_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=3387459 unnotable] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=May_(anime)&diff=prev&oldid=3463623 trivia] B) [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences&diff=prev&oldid=3490879 constantly] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_form_differences&diff=prev&oldid=3490878 reverted] edits, i.e. edit war or C) [[Talk:Pokémon controversy#Highly Risky/Inappropriate Website Link|Have very]] [[Talk:Gender#Inappropriate citation|extreme views]] [[Bulbapedia_talk:General disclaimer#Wikipedia links|on things]] that we can't control. That's why your edits are "problematic" and are worth monitoring.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, I'll have you know that I have religious beliefs against sexuality and that's why I've tried to sex-proof Bulbapedia by removing links like that.

Second, my edit on the form difference page was a legitimate edit because there are Pokemon that change HP stay based on their formes, such as Zygarde. It says on there "other than HP" which is genuinely incorrect.

Third, you are right that I should not be adding personal opinions like my similarities to May or that Giratina is my favorite Pokemon, but some people do legitimately mistake Flygon for a Pseudo-legendary, for example. I added that piece of information specifically because I've had people say to me that Flygon among a few others is a Pseudo-legendary, and I even specified why in the trivia it was not.

At this point I think you are completely biased against me, whether it's because of stupid mistakes I did make or simply because you disagree with me, but that is no reason to treat me this way. I've been treated this way by too many people in my life and I'm tired of it. I've already mentioned this to a member of the editorial board in fact. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 22:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:The fact that most of your edits were reverted by me is just a consequence of me monitoring the recent changes and checking edits of users that have made problematic edits in the past. You are not the first, nor are you the only, nor will you be the last user whose edits I monitor from the recent changes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

== Pages for analysis ==

Hello, I'm sending this message to ask about the possibility that these pages here meet requirements to go to mainspace. Boldore's page, I think, will fulfill the requirements from Friday's episode. I'm also sending a link with a shortcut to some Trainer templates for some characters, I know some of them don't meet the requirements, but probably one or two might work.

The other two are from events that happened and don't have pages, I tried to follow the same pattern as other events in the anime. I'm sending mainly because I have a lot of pages to be mounted in my userspace, and I want to try to reduce that amount.

* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Mewtwo (game)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Boldore]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Ash Ketchum (A Ripple in Time)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Pokémon Flower Arrangement]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Sinnoh Fair]]
* [[User:Hikaru_Wazana#Templates|Templates]]

There are some from other users, i hope I don't have a problem with that, which I also wanted to know if it was possible to be analyzed.

* [[User:Pikablu/Gladion’s Zoroark]]
* [[User:05308/Professor Sycamore's Garchomp]]
* [[User:Lockheedpryde/Francois]]

These are pages that I helped in some sections and that I wanted to work on more, but as they are pages of other users, I don't know if something can be done without their consent. And some of them aren't often here, so there's little point in trying to get in touch.

I thank you in advance.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 03:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:Mewtwo's role in the game is not as notable or important to the plot of its game as Arceus is to Legends. Not every Pokemon is a sliver of importance in a game is notable for its own article. And adding its appearance in other media doesn't make it notable.
:Goh's Boldore would be notable, regardless of its role in the next episodes, as it had an important role in a previous episode.
:I think the Ash article is fine.
:Both Flower Arrangement and Sinnoh Fair would need a bit of cleanup, some external link template at the bottom, and they're good.
:For the Anime character Pokemon tmeplates, we only makes them when one of their Pokemon has an article and if they have more than one Pokemon. So only Cynthia, Korrina, Brandon, Clair, Volkner, and Barry are fine. The Adventures template seems fine, but best to ask someone who edits to manga section for their opinion.
:All three are fine.
:As for [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Darkest Day (anime)|these]] [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Project Mew (Mission Regis)|two]]. These are not notable. Quality over Quantity. They are too small to be articles. We want fully fleshed articles, not articles that are a couple of paragraphs surrounded by colorful templates.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:57, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Can I be transferring these pages that you approved to the mainspace? I asked BigDocFan for help, not to exceed my daily personal edit limit. And I'll be working on the details you mentioned that need to be done in the others.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::You can move the pages/templates that I gave approved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::None of Volkner's Pokémon have a page. Why is his template approved? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::Oh, could've sworn one of his Pokemon had an article, then yeah, that isn't notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Boldore is unable to be moved, can you solve this?I was going to wait until Friday, but since we're doing it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Boldore will be moved once the episode has aired as it technically still hasn't appeared in three episodes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think whoever moved the Volkner template got confused. Anyway, I think it can be reversed, no?
'''''Boldore will be moved once the episode has aired as it technically still hasn't appeared in three episodes.'''''
::::::::::::::OK everything is fine. Thanks for the feedback.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Does the template requiring only one Pokémon apply only to the anime? Because this template [[User:Animaltamer7/Whitley's Pokémon]] otherwise qualifies. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
::I think this one is the same as the Adventures template, Rahl. It has to be discussed with someone who takes care of the manga part of the site.

::Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you, Force Fire and everyone. I saw that it took some extra work to make all the changes. Next time I'll try not to accumulate so as not to generate extra work for the whole team. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:30, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:::The rule should apply to both manga and anime character's Pokemon. That one should be fine, as she has more than one Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Great. Thank you. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:I'm guessing none of Volkner's Pokemon are considered worthy enough for their own page, Electivire and Luxray seem worthy but haven't done much besides battling.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Electivire's role is bigger in the manga than in the anime, in Adventures, Volkner uses it to face Giratina, train {{adv|Platinum}} and among other things. I thought about making a page of it from this version, but apparently in the manga characters pages, the notability rule is different. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::[[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Manga/Manga Pokémon notability policy|See here for Manga notability requirements]]. I'm not knowledgeable on the manga, so best ask someone that is for their opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

==Goh's Boldore==
Now that JN102, can Boldore be mainspaced, if so could you do it because of the redirect link. Also, Boldore was shown to withstand Sheer Cold so can we take this as it having the ability Sturdy?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::I already realized that, I [[Talk:List_of_Goh%27s_Pok%C3%A9mon#Boldore.27s_Ability|opened]] a discussion about Boldore's ability before. It's not the first time Goh has used Boldore's stamina for something in the anime, for me there is no doubt that this Pokémon's ability is Sturdy.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 11:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::I think Sturdy's depiction of a Pokemon withstanding attacks is too vague to make an educated guess, many, ''many'', Pokemon have withstood attacks and a majority don't have Sturdy. So Sturdy is an ability that needs to be explicitly mentioned.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Isn't the fact it was the only one to withstand Sheer Cold not enough proof? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:::::I don't recall if ohko moves have been explicitly referred to as such in the anime, or if the concept of move being an ohko move exists, so Sheer Cold could just be seen as any other move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Eternatus ==
So yesterday I added more info to Goh's Eternatus page, as I thought it should cover Eternatus as the Darkest Day. Do you think it's a good idea to rename the page to something like Eternatus (Darkest Day) and re-add the info?--[[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 11:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:I think there being a manga version of Goh's specific Eternatus makes it more "unique", as in it's not just any random Eternatus. I don't think a separate article for the one specific game Eternatus is needed, that can be put in their respective sections in their respective articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Pages for deletion ==

I saw you deleting some pages in the RC's, so could you take a look at other {{cat|pages to be deleted}}? I think they're sitting there and the staff didn't make a backlog of these pages.

The pages about battle facility Pokémon in that category can be deleted because these have been replaced. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 20:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
:Staff will get to the articles in those categories, and any other categories of similar nature, when they can. We have lives. No need to get all worried and panicky about this sort of stuff.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== evkl's welcome template ==

I think I realize by now that I could have just copied my own version to my own userspace and do the modifications there, right?

I did so because the current version of the welcome template has an issue with the signature field. Specifically, it [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810939859585597441/954752642033266748/Screenshot_20220319-150011.png breaks on mobile devices], so I wanted to create a non-breaking version. (My custom CSS has that all tables are to have {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|border-collapse}} set to {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|separate}}, so it might look different for you). --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 14:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
:Regular/casual users aren't going to find it anyway. It doesn't matter.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
::Okay. I decided to just have my own version [[User:Bfdifan2006/Welcome|in my own userspace]], but with the content matching the one in evkl's version (for consistency). --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 15:11, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Caterpie ==

This page [[User:Rahl/Goh's Caterpie]] meets the notability requirements. Could it get mainspaced? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Lavender Town and hoaxes ==

You do realize that, outside of the community, Lavender Town is known for being the subject of tons of hoaxes and not specifically Lavender Town Syndrome, right? Also, anyone who has learned about the myth that the music was changed would have learned about the whole hoax. No one's gonna mention that the music was supposedly changed and not the suicides and such. The effects are the entire point of the hoax. The music was simply the backdrop. The trivia point skates around mentioning a specific hoax by completely ignoring why people outside of the community know that music change lie. So, if it's truly notable enough, the reason it's notable at all should be included. Nobody cares that the music was changed, people only care why it was supposedly changed. Add what people know it for or delete it. That part by itself lacks any notability. Since you can't mention a specific hoax, the only option is to get rid of it. The fact that Lavender Town's the subject of hoaxes is infinitely more notable than that, and therefore infinitely more worthy than the current point. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Your reason holds absolutely no water. [[User:General Kipicus|General Kipicus]] ([[User talk:General Kipicus|talk]]) 23:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

== Dub season logos in series' pages ==

I was thinking that dub season logos could be added in the individual series' pages. Here is an [[User:Ricbolog1310/Sandbox|example]]. What do you think?--[[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 13:03, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
:I think it's fine, though it's probably more appropriate in the gallery section of those articles, as it's already there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I was being consistent with the way logos are shown in the original series page. [[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 16:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
:Ah, only checked the RS article. Well, if it's already done there, then can't see why it can't be done on the other series article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. In this case I'll add them.--[[User:Ricbolog1310|Ricbolog1310]] ([[User talk:Ricbolog1310|talk]]) 16:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

== "Undiscovered" Egg Group ==

All move pages still use the name "Undiscovered" instead of "No Eggs Discovered". Are they supposed to?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 23:29, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

== N Template ==

So you deleted the template for {{adv|N}}, which I think might have been a mistake. He has four Pokémon with pages.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:While I'm on the topic, Pryce, Lt. Surge, Koga, Jasmine, and Blaine have more than one Pokémon with a page.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 17:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
::12 years ago, this was [[Category talk:Trainer's Pokémon templates#OK, enough.|proposed]] by [[User talk:electAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]], a now-retired staff member. I think the staff brought this up again, on the staff-only section of the forums. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 17:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:::No. No it was not brought up on the staff forums nor on the staff discord. I found it after trying to remember where exactly I saw the "rules" I laid out in my [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Force_Fire&diff=3494678&oldid=3494609 previous response]. Admittedly I could only vaguely remember the first rule, and not the second.
:::As for those, may have missed the manga specific articles as I was mainly focused on the anime part. I've restored those one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
::::Thanks for fixing those. {{unsigned|Rahl}}

== Three questions ==

# If you think a similar bit is actually okay on the [[Buck]] page, then why did you remove the bit I added to [[kodama]]'s page? I know search is the bigger issue here, but I think it requires to be talked about.
# Is it okay that I can mainspace my {<nowiki/>{[[User:Bfdifan2006/code|code]]}} template? Bulbapedia did have it at some point, but it was deleted. Using it is actually much easier than having to type {{#tag:code|{{#tag:nowiki|<code><<nowiki/>nowiki></nowiki></code>}}}} (without the <code><<nowiki/>nowiki></nowiki></code> in some cases). Of course, I will change the documentation template used on the template page (after mainspacing the page) to the one {{u|bthrussellUK}} made.
# I think I could create the page {{User:Bfdifan2006/code|Template:Tl}} (short for "template link") as a redirect to the {{template|template}} link template. I feel its name is too long in this case, but I am not requesting you to move the template. What do you think?
--'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 20:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
:First of all, I did not add the baku bit to Buck's article. Do not make false accusations, you are treading a very thin line here. Secondly, just because it's elsewhere doesn't mean it's okay. I've removed it.
:No and no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:07, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

== April Fools' Day 2022 article (serious matter) ==

For the article about this day (which is currently located at [[User:Bfdifan2006/April Fools' Day 2022]]), you said it can go back to the mainspace when April 1 is over in all parts of the world. In that case, it should be re-mainspaced on April 2, at 11:00 UTC (which is when April 1 is over in Niue). Ideally, this would be at 12:00 UTC on that day, but all territories that use UTC -12 are uninhabited. The time zone that is the furthest behind but used by people is UTC -11, used in Niue. See [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20220402T110000&p1=196&p2=724&p3=1471&p4=1440 here]. I'm saying this is serious, so you don't treat it as an April Fools' joke.

Do not create a new article about the same thing. After re-mainspacing mine, just expand it. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:54, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
:... This was completely unnecessary. You, or anyone, can just move the page once April 2nd roll over. No need to spam my talk page with this nonsense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
::Just so you don't get the wrong idea, I mainspaced BthrussellUK's version of the article because it was already more fleshed out than yours.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

:::Just delete [[User:Bfdifan2006/April Fools' Day 2022]], I don't need that anymore. I included most info about Duck there, in fear that the article will be deleted, but since it wasn't, all this is redundant. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 12:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
== [[April Fools' Day 2022/Duck (Pokémon)]] ==
In the first section on this page, the link that says "Duckling" is meant to link to the {{DL|April Fools' Day 2022/Duck (Pokémon)|Evolution}} section of that page, but now it links to the page's original title. Can you fix that so it doesn't need to reload the page to just load a redirect? --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 12:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

== Mascots ==

I literally added a similar bit to {{p|Meloetta}}'s page, stating it being the mascot of [[Pokémon Showdown]]. Nobody removed it, so why wasn't the Poképédia mascot thing notable for {{p|Uxie}}? And I am not calling you to remove that bit from Meloetta's page. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdi]][[User talk:Bfdifan2006|fan]][[Special:Contributions/Bfdifan2006|2006]]''''' 11:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
:Because a Pokemon being used as a mascot for a fansite is not notable. The Uxie bit has also been removed many times before with the same reasoning. I know what I'm doing, I've been around a fair bit. Azumarill, Koffing, Celebi, and Bulbasaur (to name a few) also don't have trivia about them being mascots of Marriland, Smogon, Serebii, and Bulbapedia.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

== I found a source that calls the pattern on Eevee's tail a heart ==

https://dragonsabbath.proboards.com/thread/27/heart-tailed-eevee

In this community, there was a user who agreed with my post claiming the Eevee has a heart on its tail. The user who replied to this thread at the bottom said that it was a heart, and didn't mention anything about a flower. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 11:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Other "fans" agreeing with your opinion does not count as a source.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Why did you put the word fans in quotation marks? Are you implying you think I made this up? [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 12:57, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Because the user that agreed with you has a Wobbuffet related name and avatar, and you have a thing regarding Wobbuffet (be it about a metagame strategy, your brother and his multiple wobbuffet accounts on showdown, or about someone making troll comments on your youtube videos), so yes it's hard to believe that it's really someone else.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

This guy is actually Leonard Craft III, who is a known moderator on Pokemon Showdown (DaWoblefet) so it's not who you're thinking of. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, he wasn't the only one who agreed with me. A guy with an elephant avatar also agreed with me, and I never talked about the weird thing I used to have about Phanpy yet. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:The other user did not agree with you, they were just saying that it was cute, not that it had a "heart" shape pattern. Another user also questions whether the pattern is actually a heart or a flower.
:Bottom line is, the opinions of others do not matter, only the official sources do (and a random forum is not an official source). in this case, where there is no official source, we go but what makes the most sense, and the pattern being a flower makes the most sense. '''Because the pattern loops around the tail, it is not confined to one part of the tail.''' Bolded for emphasis.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

There was another user in the thread who posted a picture of an official Eevee source proving there was a heart on its tail. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 13:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:They just reposted the official artwork, there's not source actually saying that it's meant to be a heart. And you're simply refusing to listen, the pattern '''''surrounds''''' its tail, therefore, when you view it from '''''above''''' it forms a flower. I suggest you drop this, as you are simply trying to get your own way by assuming other people agreeing with you somehow validates your opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:11, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::[[File:Partner Eevee gender differences.png|280px]] Discussion's over. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

== Crunch/Thunder Fang ==

I strongly, ''strongly'' disagree with you on this. Those weren't electric spark, just energy sparks of the energy jaws hitting each other. In every other way, it's identical to Houndoom's Crunch. That minor of a difference shouldn't count as evidence towards a much more illogical move. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Ok, fair point about the sparks, but it still doesn't mean it's Crunch. Crunch does not have a unique enough animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
::We've seen two confirmed cases of Crunch in Journeys, and in my opinion, comparing them with Huntail's move counts as good evidence of it being Crunch. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
:::The difference between the elemental fangs and Crunch (and to an extent, Bite) is that the former have an extra flair to their animations, whereas the latter two do not. A simple biting animation could be either Crunch or Bite. You can bring up the other examples of "Crunch" all you want, the bottom line is, the animation is too simple and vague to be a specific move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:24, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Bite has a distinctively different animation compared to Crunch in Journeys. Crunch is jaws of energy clamping down on the opponent, whereas with Bite, the user releases teeth-shaped energies from its mouth at the opponent. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

== MinnieG ==

I strongly suspect that this person is actually Kittystyler. Compare [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3368600&oldid=3366636 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3381334&oldid=3378827 edits] (both from confirmed sockpuppets) with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&diff=3416204&oldid=3414820 this edit]. In addition, they seem to focus on character relationships and their grammar structure just seems similar to Kittystyler in general. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
:Unfortunately I can't compare their IP addresses as all of KittyStyler's socks have been inactive for too long to compare them to MinnieG. Making similar edits is considered circumstantial, and the only other evidence I have is regarding their email, but that's too weak of evidence to say they're a sock of KittyStyler.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah... I'm aware it's circumstantial evidence, but I do still feel like it's at least worth looking out for. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 07:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

== Re: Images ==

I understand that not all articles need appearances sections for two stage evolutions, I just thought they did because I saw a couple of them that did, like [[Casey's Meganium]] and [[Serena's Delphox]].--[[User:MinneG|MinnieG]] ([[User talk:MinnieG|talk]]) 09:58, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

== Update "Upcoming Anime "Page with Up-To-Date Upcoming Episodes (ASAP) ==

All the episodes listed are out of date. Could you or someone please fix this by display upcoming current episodes that are coming and up to date (like the one coming this week)? Also, could you do this for all the channels and locations?

https://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Upcoming_anime

I already made a comment on the page's Talk page, but there is no answer. [[User:Macpika|Macpika]] ([[User talk:Macpika|talk]]) 22:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
:This news page is being moved to a new place at some point in the future and is no longer being updated. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:25, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a million. I was wondering what was going on. [[User:Macpika|Macpika]] ([[User talk:Macpika|talk]]) 00:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

== Attack Order ==

I've found a YouTube video that shows one of the Japanese-exclusive Professor Oak's lecture segments, this one specifically from the DP series. In it, a Vespiquen attacks Professor Oak with a move that he identifies as Attack Order. And it looks nothing like the move the Combee used in [[DP032]], which Bulbapedia has counted as Vespiquen using Attack Order. Should it be changed to a move error of the Combee using Psybeam? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:14, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:I'll have to find the Japanese episode somehow to verify, but judging by DP032's talk page, seems to be guesswork. As for the move Combee used, it could've been any beam move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
::Based on the rainbow colors, it's most likely Psybeam, but whatever it is, it's not Attack Order. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Found a Japanese version of the episode. Attack Order wasn't mentioned at any point. May I delete the mentions of Attack Order in relation to DP032? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 23:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
::::Go for it. I'm inclined to believe that it wasn't stated in the original version due to it being guesswork in the first place.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::As for Psybeam: here's a pair of comparison images:
:::::[[:File:Cheryl Mothim Psybeam.png|Cheryl's Mothim using Psybeam in DP031]]
:::::[[:File:Combee Psybeam.png|Combee's move from DP032]]
:::::Both beams are multicolored, have identical animations, and are from consecutive episodes in the same series. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't matter if it looks similar to other instances of Psybeam, it's still a vague "mutli-colored beam". It is too simple of an animation. [[:File:Zoey Gallade Signal Beam.png|Signal Beam]] and [[:File:Suicune Aurora Beam DP028.png|Aurora Beam]] were also portrayed as a "multi-colored beam" during DP, so it could also be any of those two.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I admit, those two beams look similar. But the images I provided use the same colors, despite being multicolored, and there weren't any beam attacks used during the DP series that used the same multicolor scheme as Psybeam. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

== Suicune and Cubone ==

Hi, good morning. I would like to know, if with today's episode, what are the chances of [[User:BigDocFan/Goh's Suicune|Suicune]] and [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Cubone|Cubone]] going to mainspace. I mean, in the case of the Cubone, technically, it achievied the requirements today. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
::I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss another topic with you, It's been a while since I've been putting together the images of the strips that anipoke's profile posts on Twiiter[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Hikaru_Wazana/After_the_story]. I've been thinking that maybe this content fits better in the pages of each episode, because probably by the end of Journeys, this page can get huge and with a huge list of references. This page proved to be very complicated to update and put content, one of the reasons why I take so long to update it completely. What do you (or the Bulbapedia's staff) think about this idea?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Suicune and Cubone have been moved. As for the strips, they seem to be in the same vain as [[Get Inspired! Let's Solve a Poké Riddle!!]]. I think it's fine for its own article and for individual episodes to have it mentioned in the trivia, as we do with the other Japan exclusive bonus content.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

== [[Poke Ball (Jungle 64)]] ==

In regards to the deletion of {{redlink|Poke Ball (item)}} and {{redlink|Poke Ball (Hisui)}}, should the similar redirect for [[Poké Ball (Jungle 64)]] also be deleted? There are also other similar redirects such as: [[Pokemon (species)]], [[Pokemon (TCG)]], [[Poke Fan (Trainer class)]], [[Poke Maniac (Trainer class)]], [[Poke Kid (Trainer class)]], and so on. Thoughts? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

==Goh Pokemon Pages==
I was wondering if Grimer, Misdreavus and Absol were worthy of having their own pages right now?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:42, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry to get involved in your conversation. But I wanted a suggestion, regarding this page [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Elemental Monkeys|here]]. When I created it, I imagined that the two monkeys would have similar screen time(Actually, I thought Goh was going to capture a Pansage up until this point), but Panpour apparently proved to be more notable than Pansear and technically, it met the requirements to go to mainspace, but Pansear has yet to have at least one more major appearance. What should I do in this case? Do I leave the page as it is or divide it to make room for a Panpour solo page?
::I'm wanting to reduce Goh's Pokémon pages, so much so that I'm waiting to see if Goh's Froakie will really have a relevance to the anime before actually making a page for it. If Froakie has a relevant role in the Greninja episode maybe I'll be working on it.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Grimer, Misdreavus, and Absol all meet the notability requirements. As for Pansear/Panpour, only Panpour would be notable. And I think having individual articles for the two is better, it would only make sense to group them if he had all three and if there's not enough info to necessitate splitting them into three articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::Just so I understand, according to the rules, Frogadier (good thing I waited to create the page LOL) only needs one more major appearance in the anime, right? As for Panpour, well I put the monkeys page in a space that I reserved to be deleted. If you can sort this out for me, please.[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Hikaru_Wazana#Candidates_to_delete]
:::::Having no idea what Goh's role would be in an anime series based on Scarlet and Violet, I think it's best to avoid having too many pages for his Pokémon. We are going to that moment when the Pokémon that are notable are, those that are not, unfortunately, will no longer be--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 10:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Do these three pages have what it takes to go to mainspace?
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Butterfree#In_the_anime]]
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Arctozolt]]
* [[User:Riox-Ibui/Goh%27s_Taillow]]
Theoretically, they are within the rules stipulated for Goh's Pokémon.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:55, 05 May 2022 (UTC)

== RE: Goh's Dustox ==
I understand. I just assumed that since they've appeared in at least three episodes, and two of them were mainly focused on them, I thought it was notable enough to give them their own articles. I saw that Trapinch's box was removed from the "Recurring" part of Goh's Pokémon. I'll just re-add Trapinch there, since you've informed me that his page was notable enough for an article.

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 05:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Pyukumuku ==
I wanted to know if Goh's Pyukumuku is eligible to receive its own page. It had three episodes in which was somewhat prominent on, and I wonder if it's enough to earn it it's page?

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 15:41, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
:Don't just make the article after asking. Pyukumuku is notable for an article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

== Image dispute ==

There's been disagreement over at Bulbagarden Archives, with Rahl reverting several images, some multiple times, because they don't agree with the reasons given to why the current version should be used. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

== Unnecessary redirects ==

Yesterday, I removed the redirect "Unevolve", which had led to "Devolution" . Can you remove it? Also, there's a redirect page called "Literal Ghost" leading to "Ghost (literal)", even though only "Literal ghost" (with a small g) has ever been used on various talk pages. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

== Champion Pokemon ==

Hi, could [[User:Rahl/Wallace's Milotic]] and [[User:BigDocFan/Leon's Charizard]] be mainspaced? According to [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime|notability rules]], both qualify. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:Leon's Charizard has mostly just appeared in battles, so it's not notable yet. Wallace's Milotic, not too sure if opening the Wallace Cup would fall under having an impact on the plot (putting on a show in its debut appearance, doesn't), otherwise it's only other notable appearance is a battle, so that too wouldn't make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:44, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
::I'm failing to see how they aren't notable according to the rules. Both are their signature Pokémon, have done nonbattle related things (Milotic with the Wallace Cup, Charizard with the Darkest Day and JN100), have media related to more than just the anime, and have had impact on the plot (both worked as a motivation for a main character to improve/develop). What exactly is missing for them to not be mainspaced? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:27, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Am I going to hear back from you on this? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::::I see you've been editing over the past few days and am wondering if I'm going to hear back from you? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for the late response. For Milotic, I'm not sure if its role in the Wallace Cup could be considered having an impact on the arc/plot, get second opinions for this one. For Charizard, all of its role were still mostly for battles, it needs to do something that isn't it battling another Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Who should I seek out for a second opinion on Milotic? And as for Charizard, while it has mostly battled, it serves as Ash's main obstacle to overcome in Journeys, helped with the Darkest Day crisis, and had a nonbattle role in JN100 where it trained with Leon and Ash. We also know it is going to have more appearances, not to mention its role in the manga, games, TGC, and multiple other animes. I think the 'only battled' argument is keeping this a little too restrictive. Leon's Charizard clearly deserves to have a page of its own. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::You can ask anyone about the notability Milotic's role, staff member or regular user. Basically just get the general idea of what others think. For Charizard, its appearance in other media doesn't make it more notable for an anime centric article. It can appear in 100 more episodes, but if it's all just battling, then it's still not notable. Leon used it very briefly in the training and Charizard doesn't really do anything of note. It being a motivator for Ash is more about the development of Ash than it is about Charizard.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:35, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Multiple people have voiced their agreement for Milotic. Could you please move the page to the mainspace? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Saw it and felt that it kinda missed the point. Mostly the opinion is "it appeared a whole bunch, so it has to be notable" not about what it actually ''did'' in those episodes. I'll repeat what I said about Charizard, Milotic could appear in another 100 episodes but if it ''didn't do anything of note'', it still wouldn't be notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::"Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot. Elite Four members, Champions, and Frontier Brains also fall into this category." Since none of this seems to matter and we are not following them, can the notability rules be changed so this problem doesn't happen again? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::"but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in '''and''' had some impact on the plot". It has to do more than battle ''and'' what it does has to be impactful to the plot. They are not individual criteria.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Great. Milotic inspired Dawn and helped her regain her confidence in Contests. Charizard helped stop the Darkest Day and is acting as motivation for Ash in the World Series. Both impact the plot, and based on what I've seen, nobody else is arguing that these pages don't meet the criteria. This wiki is a collaborative effort, yet nothing is allowed to happen because you personally don't agree these fit the rules? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:39, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::Well, I decided to post here because Rahl asked me to put my opinion.
::The problem is that Leon's Charizard page isn't exactly anime-centric. Let's say, Pokémon Evolutions has an episode that shows a lot of Leon's relationship with Charizard, Charizard is one of Leon's most frequent Pokémon in Twilight Wings. As I said in another topic, here are some pages that just don't make sense to be in the mainspace, [[Horacio's Vikavolt|this one]], for example, wasn't even finished and it was already approved.
::As for Milotic, I think the same thing, it's a champion's signature Pokémon. The rule that" only battles don't make it a notable Pokémon" seems confusing to me, because I had about three episodes removed from the content of Goh's Farfetch'd's page because they said at the time that these battles were not remarkable to be on his page. Far from wanting to criticize, but some rules need to be reviewed and updated in my opinion. Because that ends up creating more confusion than making things easier.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Charizard is an anime centric article because the anime info is the first thing that's highlighted. Just like how [[Agatha's Gengar]] and [[Lucy's Seviper]] are manga centric articles because the manga is what is first highlighted. Evolutions and Twilight Charizard is not the same as main series Charizard, just as game/manga Charizard is not the same as anime Charizard. They're all treated as individuals and not one and the same. So whatever Evolutions Charizard does has no bearing on what main series Charizard's notability, since the former is not the focus of the article. For Vikavolt, it's Horacio's signature and had a major role in its second appearance. That's why it has an article.
:::For Milotic, it's not what it does that's not notable it's how much do people think it was impactful that would determine its notability in this case. I don't remember much of the Wallace Cup arc, so I can't say if it was really impactful to the arc. For your edits that were removed, not every battle needs to be highlighted, just the ones deemed notable. Farfetch'd battling a Gym Leader's Pokemon? notable. Farfetch'd battling a random wild Pokemon that doesn't turn out to be anything special? not notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::A Pokemon being a motivator for a character is more about the development of the character and not the overall arc. Which is what the criteria asks for. Not having an impact on a character, having an impact on an arc/plot. Charizard's involvement in Darkest Day was ultimately still a battle. Steven's Metagross is on a similar level, but is notable because it helped the characters infiltrate Team Flare's base, that's Metagross having some sort of impact on the plot (technically it was a battle, but there's a wider context).
:::The wiki is a collaborative effort, but if users aren't understanding the criteria, then staff are going to step in and make it clear what the criteria are asking for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::You said it yourself, having an impact on an arc/plot is what is important. Charizard has done that with the Darkest Day, yet for some reason battling-the major focus of Pokémon-is written off as being useless. Both of these Pokémon have a much larger role across both the anime and the franchise as a whole compared to something like Horacio's Vikavolt. Your defense for that is that it is Horacio's signature Pokémon and had a major role. So did both of these Champion's Pokémon. It makes no sense why these Pokémon have not done enough in your eyes. I suggest you change the language used for the notability rules, or at the very least find some consistency in your argument, as it is very unclear what the actual standards are. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 07:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::"Your defense for that is that it is Horacio's signature Pokémon and had a major role." A major role that wasn't just it battling another Pokemon, which Charizard's role in Darkest Day ultimately was. Metagross' role, because it's in a similar setting, was that it battled to help the main characters infiltrate Team Flare's base. Charizard battled to stop a Pokemon. It wasn't to stop Rose from furthering his plans or something. It was still a Pokémon battle, something that isn't too out of the ordinary for a franchise about battling.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
:It's ridiculous that to you Charizard is only notable if it participates in something like a dance contest instead of the large amount of stuff it has already done. Even then, Milotic has done nonrelated battle things and you still say that's not important. Nothing will be, will it? If you want to go against what the rules say and the general opinion of the wiki, fine, but please update the notability rules to fit your personal ideal so nobody else ends up wasting their time. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:44, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::If Charizard was in a competition and did something that had an impact on the plot, then it would be notable. Otherwise, if it didn't do anything else and just competed/played it straight, then it still wouldn't be notable (because it didn't do anything else). You're too caught up with the idea that simply appearing and being part of a non-battle event would make it notable. It doesn't. It's what it ''does'' during the episode that matters. Vikavolt helped free the Pokemon that was captured by Team Rocket in SM119 (which was when it was mainspaced), Goh's Dewgong protected Chloe and Eevee from a Huntail in JN063 (which was when it was mainspaced), Korrina's Lucario had multiple notable non-battle appearances by the time it was approved.
::As for Milotic, I repeat again. Is what it did important enough to the overall arc? You asked on Wallace's talk page but failed to bring that up, only bringing up the notability requirements and everyone else just says yes based off it. On surface level, yes it meets the notability requirement, but notability doesn't involve just reading the requirements and going "yep, it's notable". You have to think about and assess whether what it did in those non battle episodes would make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Okay, I don't even know if I should help the discussion, but here goes. In the anime, Leon's Charizard:
* It was confirmed to be Leon's Starter Pokémon. They even showed all its evolution stages in the anime.
* It was his choice to battle in the first World Championship. In other words, it was used in a competition by Leon.
* Charizard was used to defend Leon's title (which in the context of Journeys is the same as rivals' Gym Battles). This was, for example, what served to make Bianca's Pignite page notable [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bianca%27s_Emboar&oldid=1517799]. [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Bianca%27s_Emboar#Noteworthy]. In short, it was used by Leon in the current WCS season.
* In the context of Darkest Day:
** Leon used Charizard to defeat Centiscorch and save Ash and his Pokémon.
** Leon used Charizard as a means of locomotion and to defeat the Coalossal. In other words, he used it for something other than battle.
** It was used against Eternatus, which according to Leon himself showed that he is not the most powerful Trainer in the world yet as he said in [[JN100]]. In other words, this battle (and defeat) is part of Leon's arc in Journeys.
* [[JN100]], if we ignore the battle against Flint (which again, we can consider as the Gym battles of old), Charizard was used in Leon's flying training
Now to the rules:
* '''''For rival characters and other recurring characters, only their signature Pokémon may have an article created about them.'''''Charizard is Leon's signature Pokémon. '''CHECK'''
* '''''If a rival's signature Pokémon does nothing more than battle or has no major impact on the plot, then it is not notable for an article and instead should have a section on its Trainer's page.''''' The Coalossal case, Charizard did not battle. Leon's Training did not involve battles. '''CHECK'''(!?!)
* '''''Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot. Examples would be Blaine's Magmar, which saved the Cinnabar Gym and developed Charizard's personality, or Clair's Dragonair, which helped save the Dragon Kingdom. Elite Four members, Champions, and Frontier Brains also fall into this category.''''' Leon's battle against Ash, served to show the concepts of Gigantamax to Ash. Leon's battle against Raihan served to work out the history of the rivalry between the two Trainers. '''CHECK'''
We can spend months discussing this, but the truth is that this is just looking like a matter of conflicting points of view. To me, this seems very much to fall into the problem that the pages are based on most of Ash's relationship with other characters and not his own stories. Even though Ash is the protagonist, it's been a long time since the anime revolves around him and the rules didn't adapt to that(Goh is probably the biggest proof of that). Hence we have to expect that a Pokémon like Charizard has to have some impact on the plot of a technically unrelated character like Ash. Well, I think I elongated too much in the text I put here. I hope it resolves the discussion somehow.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
:I want to swing back to this and point out that if [[Miette's Slurpuff]] is good enough for to be mainspaced than so should the other two, or are we really saying participating in a dance party is more relevant than anything else? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::You clearly do not get it. If Charizard (and Leon) were to compete in a race (with Ash and Goh), then something happened to Ash and Goh. If Leon doesn't have Charizard go look for Ash and Goh, and just competes in the race from start to finish (therefore unseen for a chunk of the episode), then '''''it still would not be notable'''''. Just competing is not what would make it notable.
::The only non-battle thing Charizard did is the training. Which it didn't even do much. What can you really say? Oooooooh, it smashed a few rocks and flew through a waterfall. Wow. Riveting. Fantastic read, can sum it all up in one sentence.
::For Milotic, again, you didn't ask others the important factor; how much of what it did was notable. Nobody on Wallace's talk page took that to account. They just saw the notability requirements and went "yep, it meets everything here" without actually thinking about what it actually did in the Wallace Cup arc and evaluating whether it did makes it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
:::So, based on these criteria, even if Leon uses Charizard throughout the 8 Masters tournament campaign, we doesn't have the go-ahead to use this page. Leon's page in the anime, I had to adapt and look for alternatives in the manga section to be standardized precisely because this page doesn't exist. Leon's page in games has a huge infobox with very disproportionate little information precisely because of the lack of this page in the Adventures section;
:::Even if we are to cling to "all Pokémon X did was battle", more than half of the Pokémon of some rivals will have either undone. From Trip's Serperior, Gary's Arcanine/Gary's Electivire, Paul's Honchkrow to Georgia's Beartic. And I don't think there is much doubt about the importance of this Pokémon in some way. The ironic part of it all is that Leon's Charizard had more space in the anime than Pokemon like Lance's Dragonite, for example. About Milotic I confess that I don't even give an opinion anymore, with all this arm wrestling involving Charizard.
:::I have a vision of a certain reformulation that should be in the Anime section and with the Adventures manga (which is the manga with the longest defined chronology released) but I'm even afraid to give it.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::::To say Miette's Slurpuff has more notability or value than Leon's Charizard is an odd choice and one that doesn't hold up when looking at either page or the importance of those Pokémon. Force Fire, please rewrite the rules to fit your mindset so users know what they are getting into. I don't even care if they make sense-they don't-but at least then we have a written process to follow. Your views and what the rules say don't match up as of now. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::Again, you're '''not''' listening. Miette's Slurpuff did stuff outside of the Poke Contest stuff in its debut episode. Leon's Charizard has ''not'' done anything outside of battling in it's non battle episodes and its battle-focus episodes. Because that's what the notability requirements is asking for: "but only if it did '''''more than just battle''''' in the episode(s) it appeared in". As in, it needs to do something else other than showing up in a battle. Because it's Pokemon. Battling is the central point of the series. It's what it do. We're not going to have an article that is just "X battled in episode Y" over and over. It's not going to make for an interesting read.
:::::And it '''also''' needs to have an impact on the plot. If Charizard battles and wins, then that's not having that much of an impact. Wow. It won. Who knew something would ''win'' a series about battling. If the battle was interrupted and Charizard helped get rid of whatever is interrupting the battle, then yes, that would be having an impact on the episode. Because it did more than just battle its intended opponent.
:::::As for the articles Hikaru Wazana brought up, 3/5 of them were created before we got stricter with notability. Gary's Arcanine is fine as it helped stop Team Rocket in Extreme Pokemon! Gary's Electivire is fine as it help protect Shieldon from J and attempted to stop Saturn from taking one of the lake guardians. For Trip's Serperior and Georgia's Beartic, both were approved by the Head of Anime at the time of their move to the mainspace. So I'll assume there was a good reason for their existence.
:::::I'm not trying to manipulate to criteria, I'm just following how the criteria has been interpreted over the years. And sometimes, that interpretation either gets stricter or more lenient. I'm not pulling all this out of thin air. There is no need to re-write the criteria just because you can't understand them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::I don't claim to be an expert on this or anything, but we have a page for [[Skyla's Swanna]], for example. Should that page then be removed from the mainspace for the same reason that Leon's Charizard is not notable since it's only been in battles as far as plot relevance goes? Because if Skyla's Swanna is notable enough for its own page while Leon's Charizard isn't, I'm curious as to why that might be. I'm sorry if this line of conversation is tiring you out. I won't say anything more if you're bothered by it. '''[[User:Dougbro1|Dougbro1]]''' ([[User talk:Dougbro1|Talk]]) 18:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

== Jiliang ==

Jiliang has already returned to adding dubious trivia to pages, along with [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3518678&oldid=3508003 trivia that had already been removed multiple times]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
:I've given them a semi block, and a stern message, effectively forcing them to respond on their talk page or risk a full block.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
::[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG128&diff=3538443&oldid=3518766 They've once again re-added the removed trivia back to AG128], along with once again adding more non-noteworthy trivia to other pages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:40, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
:::There's only so many chances I can give them, so I've given them a lengthy block. If they return and continue, then they'll be gone for good.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:02, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Rivals? ==

Do Bea and Raihan count as rivals in a sense that major events should include their new Pokémon? I'm assuming yes for Bea, but I'm not 10% sure regarding Raihan. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:40, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:Pokemon of notable rivals get mentioned only if they have articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
::By this, do you mean the "Major events" section or the "Pokémon debuts" section? After looking through episode pages from the original series all the way up to Journeys, it definitely appears to be standard to list new Pokémon for rivals in the "Major events" section, regardless of whether or not they have a page (and only their Pokémon with pages are listed in the "Pokémon debuts" section). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Huh, that does seem to be the case after checking a few episodes of rivals obtaining new Pokemon (that I could remember at least), PMJ is right. As for Raihan, I think his 'mon are fine to be mentioned, as does have a major role.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

== Can you fix my name please? ==

Hi, I just signed up to edit here, but I made a mistake in typing my username. I meant it to be ApexAgunomu. Can you please change my name to that? Thank you. [[User:ApexAgunomi|ApexAgunomi]] ([[User talk:ApexAgunomi|talk]]) 11:07, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
:Due to technical issues with the rename function we use, it is not possible to rename users at this time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
::Then can you please block this account so I can make a new one with the correct name? Would that be okay? [[User:ApexAgunomi|ApexAgunomi]] ([[User talk:ApexAgunomi|talk]]) 16:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

== {{template|Pokelist}} ==

The link you recently added to that template should have "GO" instead of "Go" (mind the letter case) as the displayed text. Will you fix it? Thanks. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lucario ==

So we both edit war and I get blocked, but you get away with no consequences and the page turns out how you want because you’re a special admin and nobody but you is ever right. How about you take it to a talk page for once like you’re always preaching. Hypocritical and childish. [[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 15:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you 100% Pikablu. ForceFire targets me this way too. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 06:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

== "Trainers start their journey at 10." ==

This is something that's only ever been stated in the anime. Red, Hilbert/Hilda, Elio/Selene, and Rei/Akari are all older than 10, for example (and no other game protagonist has ever explicitly been confirmed to be 10). The only games to mention a starting age at all are the Alola games, where you have to be 11 to take the island challenge. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:From what I can tell, this was because the protagonists prior to Generation V were "10 or 11 years old" according to Ken Sugimori. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah, but that would still mean that they're not explicitly confirmed 10 (and the fact that the Alola games are the only games to mention a starting age is still true as well). Hilbert/Hilda, ORAS Brendan/May, and Rei/Akari are all older than 10/11, too. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::But from what I see on his article, Red is said to be 10 in the European release. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Assuming that's true, the Japanese release should take priority over both the American and European releases, although I actually don't know if it's ever been explicitly stated there. Even then, it only adds to my point of players not being explicitly confirmed as 10, given that the American release for the same game states that he's 11. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::Given Sugimori said "10 OR 11" in that interview, it's more of an "either" situation, meaning the Gens I-IV protagonists are either 10 or 11 years old. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 11:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::This would still mean that no protagonist has ever been explicitly confirmed to be 10 even prior to Gen V. If anything, it makes 11 just as likely of a starting age, if not even more so.
::::::Given that there have been protagonists that have started as teenagers (Hilbert/Hilda and Rei/Akari being confirmed cases, although Calem/Serena are probably in that range too), I would definitely not put an age for Victor/Gloria if nothing has been stated. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Funny that you mention Rei/Akari when ForceFire, a beuracrat mind you, has rejected the source on their article several times, as an NPC guessing the player's age is, in his words, "not confirmation". [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Interesting. That definitely feels inconsistent since Victor/Gloria don't even have that going for them. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::I wasn't using that to talk about Victor/Gloria. I was bringing it up due to the edit warring it caused. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
My points are simply that:

1. "Trainers start their journey at 10" is something that's only stated in the anime.

2. No protagonist has ever been outright confirmed to be 10 (even the Sugimori interview only stated that the protagonists prior to Gen V were 10/11 without naming specific cases), with Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15, ORAS Brendan/May being 12, Elio/Selene being 11, and Rei/Akari being "15 or so".

3. The same logic that was used on the Rei/Akari pages in the past (even though those pages do list their ages now) should be applied to a greater extent for Victor/Gloria, especially since no ages have even been ''hinted'' at officially. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:1. We all know that.

2. I never said the Gens I-IV protagsbwere 10, only 10 OR 11.

3. The logic used for Rei/Akari should still apply to their articles, especially since the quote was repeatedly deemed unreliable by a higher staff. And yes, I KNOW thay Victor/Gloria have no hints towards an official age. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
::I don't mind whether or not it's removed from the Rei/Akari pages or not. I just find it inconsistent, especially since it was the same higher staff member. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
:::If anything, it should be removed from the Rei/Akari articles as in the context of the dialogue, Cyllene was ''assuming'' the player's age, meaning that their actual age is unknown. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 22:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}For the "trainers start their journeys at 10" bit. Could've sworn that was the case in the games as well, specifically in Gen I related materials (like a guidebook or something), may be misremembering. As for Rei/Akari, I still don't think it's solid confirmation as Cyllene is just guessing. That should be removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Brendan/May from Ruby and Sapphire actually look younger than 10, at 7 or 8. Additionally, in LGPE the progagonists appear to be even younger, like 5 or 6, and same goes for Sword and Shield.
Are we TOTALLY SURE that it's a given rule that a trainer has to be 10 to start?! [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 21:23, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
:Uh, what? How do RSE Brendan/May and Victor/Gloria look any visibly younger than Red/Leaf/Ethan/Kris/Lyra/Lucas/Dawn/Elio/Selene? Their artwork shows that they're roughly as tall as them, and there are kids in every game that are clearly younger than the protagonists (and I would peg those kids as being in the 6-8 range instead). In any case, I've already shown that it's not a constant rule in the games for the protagonists to be 10 (as seen with Hilbert/Hilda, ORAS Brendan/May, and Elio/Selene, who are all confirmed to be older). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 13:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

== Beelzemon 2003 ==

[[User talk:Beelzemon 2003|Beelzemon 2003]] has made excessively long descriptions of event item distributions in the event item articles like the Eon Ticket and MysticTicket, involving details and images unrelated to the items themselves, mostly describing the gatherings where the items were distributed. I've removed the texts unrelated to the items themselves and tried to tell them not to do it again, but they still did it again afterwards. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

== [[Coin (TCG)]] ==

Maverick Nate is no longer the Head of TCG, however, glik, nuva-kal and Ruixiang95 are. Talking to you to prevent edit warring. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 17:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
:The fact that you listed those three names shows that you don't actually know what "Head of TCG" means. Glik is the head of TCG, not the other two.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

== Alec ==

[[User:Hikaru_Wazana/Alec]]

Is everything ok to transfer this page to mainspace? I moved to my personal space to be able to work better on it, but I already put everything that was missing. [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 00:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
:Looks fine, I've mainspaced it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

== Miette's Slurpuff ==

How you feeling about this [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Miette's Slurpuff|page]] being mainspaced? It did nonbattle stuff after all. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
:IT does meet the notability requirements, I've mainspaced it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::I recall requesting mainspacing that article in the past, but it was rejected back them. Have the notability requirements changed since then? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
:::You requested it at least once on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Force_Fire/Archive_11#Mainspacing_suggestion April 14, 2020], and the criteria changed on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia:Manual_of_style/Anime&diff=next&oldid=3223681 August 22, 2020]. I'm not sure that's specifically what changed but just thought I'd point it out. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
::::With Miette owning a Pokemon with its own page and a second Pokemon, can Miette get her own Pokemon template--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::With Slurpuff, and by extension Miette, being unlikely to appear again, I chose to re-evaluate it based off the one appearance it did have some impact, and decided what it did in that episode was notable enough. Ideally, I would like it to do more in just its debut episode, but given it's unlikely to appear again, thought I'd be a bit lenient with it.
:::::As for giving Miette her own Pokemon template, [[Category talk:Trainer's Pokémon templates|the rule]] states that a character needs at least two of their Pokemon have articles, not that they own two or more Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::Makes sense. Thank you for the explanation. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

== Unblock request ==

I humbly ask if there's a possibility to bring me back my privileges on editing the Nintendo Switch and creation trio pages. Finally, once I get my privileges on editing the Nintendo Switch and creation trio pages back, I will prove to you that I will be responsible with those pages in the future by discussing a major change, so as to avoid edit warring. --[[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 19:38, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

==Lillie's Magearna==
I was wondering whether User:Samueljoo/Lillie's Magearna might be ready to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 18:45, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

== Possible to merge accounts? ==

I used to work here as [[User talk:Croconaw2000|Croconaw2000]], but I deleted the email a long time ago and don’t remember the password, so I was completely unable to log back in. Would it be possible to merge the two accounts in some way, or redirect the old account into this one?

Also, if MarioWiki says that Wartortle has the same Chinese name as {{smw|Kooper}}, why shouldn’t we note it ourselves?

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]])
:... users are only allowed one account per person, but I'll allow this instance. It is not possible to merge accounts, and I don't think it's necessary to redirect the old one. And we're not MarioWiki. It may be notable there, but it's not notable here.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn’t have made a new account if I could log back into the old one. I had also asked on the bulbapedia discord if it was possible to change the email or password and they suggested creating a new account

[[User:Pikmin3WiiU|Pikmin3WiiU]] ([[User talk:Pikmin3WiiU|talk]])

== Move template ==

Do you think the {{template|anmov}} template could be used for Z-Moves and Max Moves. I feel having the description of those moves on the Pokémon's article is unnecessary, given that, unlike improvised moves, they have move pages to house their move descriptions. They could definitely still remain under separate subheaders in the "Moves used" section, but the current format doesn't fit them IMO. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I feel having the same move descriptions on the Pokémon's page kind of defeats the purpose of having a separate page to house those descriptions, specifically the movie's own article. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::That's something I've also thought about as well, the descriptions aren't really needed as those are already explained on the individual move articles. The base move being used for the Z-move is probably the only important part, I think, so a re-tweaked version of the current move template to accommodate that would be good.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Sounds good. Can I convert the templates if we use the tooltips template to identify the base move(s) until the tweaked template is ready?.--[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::::As in, in a similar way that, say, Mimicked moves have tooltips to tell which they were copied from, except this time, they're used to identify the base move(s). --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'd be okay for that to be a temporary solution. As for the tweaked template, shouldn't be too difficult to get that done, thinking of simply adding another column to it, [[User:Force_Fire/Template:Anzmov/h|like]] [[User:Force_Fire/Template:Anzmov|so]]. Don't think I need to tweak the footer of the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:36, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. I'll start editing the move lists. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 21:16, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

== First visits to a region ==

Do the first visits to a region from characters other than the Journeys main trio count as major events? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:For former main characters, yes. I believe we also note when Misty and Brock travelled to Alola in the major events section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::So only important when it is a main character?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes. They were at one point main characters, that makes them important enough.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::And so we're clear, because I know what you're trying to do, the focus here is former main characters not Chloe or other supporting characters. Different rules for different characters.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
::::Wait, so it’s important if this is their first series or if they were a main character? Is that what you’re saying?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::::If Brock and Misty were to go to Galar for the first time, then that would be noted in the major events section as they are important characters (being former main characters). If Shamus or Montgomery were to go to Galar for the first time, then they would not be noted in the major events section as they were not a main characters. Not that hard to understand.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I don’t need the sass, I just wanted clarity, which you didn’t even do. Is it important to mention if this is their first series, say Ren or Danika?[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:Just wanted to be sure. Thanks, FF. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Lana's Lapras ==
Assuming it even matters, [[User:Playerking95/Lana's Poké Ride Lapras|this page]] meets [[Bulbapedia:Manual_of_style/Anime#Notability_requirements|Notability requirements]]. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 23:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
:So I see you've answered multiple other comments on your talk page. Could you please answer this one as well? [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

== This pointless edit war has to end once and for all ==

Hello, I see that you noticed the edits I made last week, I explained my case on my talkpage but unfortunately never got a reply on there. In summary, this whole situation about characters' ages has got out of control, I've come to a conclusion that no matter how much I try helping this situation, I definitely can't do it all by myself. I haven't got the opportunity to reach a clear consensus about the subject with a Staff Member since I never got a reply but since it seems you're interested in this, I definitely have to inform you that this case has to finally come to an end.

I feel like I have to explain this whole situation to you so you can know in depth what all of this is about, there's this user called [[User_talk:Inkster|Inkster]], who you may recognize, who made an edit on March 29th to multiple articles related to player characters (these being Ethan's, Kris', Lyra's, Lucas' and Dawn's) where they added a piece of information related to their age, which have, for years, never been revealed and it also seems that throughout the entire existence of these character's articles there has never been an important version that specified any age either.

The source they quoted came to public knowledge in 2011, meaning that throughout this entire time, information about some of the characters' age has never been added to the site and if it would have been relevant information the characters' respective articles would have had the information on them for years like how Hilbert's and Hilda's articles have had their confirmed age on their articles for years.

Besides that, there's definitely a problem with the source, you see, what they're trying to use as the reference that supposedly confirms an age is Nintendo DREAM (ニンテンドードリーム) 2011年 01月号 [雑誌] where there was published an interview regarding to the art development of Pokémon Black & White, what this means is that they're using information about Pokémon Black and White that certainly has nothing to do with characters from games like HeartGold or Diamond, of course you wouldn't expect any information to be revealed that isn't about the newest games at the time (Black & White) and unsurpisingly that's exactly the case, all of what is written on there is about Pokémon Black and White.

The reason why they quoted that magazine, however, is because of a brief comment by Ken Sugimori which roughly mentions something like Hilbert and Hilda were designed to look older than ten or eleven-year-olds unlike previous game characters, the source that they quoted is in fact, '''a translation of the magazine''' that states quote, unquote "So this time we received orders from Masuda to increase the ages of Black & White’s protagonists, to make them older than the 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games" and that is the only time it is mentioned any age regarding to previous characters.

I have to add that the term 10 or 11 year old to refer to pokémon player characters has been vastly used by a really big amount of people, this includes pretty much every player character even if their age has already been revealed. Why this term is so popular is mostly because of the anime, in which they never got tired to mention that trainers start a journey with pokémon since the age of 10, something that in the games (which is where the characters they're trying to show an age come from) has never been mentioned and let's not forget that before Black and White, the only player character that actually had a confirmed age was Red, who is 11 in Red and Blue. What this means is that 10 or 11 year old is clearly just a term to refer to any game player character rather than a confirmed age, and in this case, there was never an age that was explicitly revealed, making the source completely meaningless, 10 or 11 is just a starting age at best.

As you probably can tell, this short quote not only doesn't include any strong confirmation regarding to previous player characters' ages, in fact the interview doesn't even mention a clear age for Hilbert or Hilda, but Inkster is trying to show like if that quote is somehow factual information. Many users have already doubted the idea of adding an age to those articles out of that quote, the article versions that include this have been reverted on multiple occasions since it could be considered just as an assumption that goes against the speculation policy and could even be considered as vandalism since it is misinformation.

But then there's the edit war, instead of trying to allow time for a discussion so this subject can reach a clear consensus or even wait until that information is authorized to be part of the article, the user [[User:Team_Rocket_Grunt|Team Rocket Grunt]] has been constantly reverting edits to Inkster's only because of their own perception with comments like "I think it (Sugimori's meaningless quote) does (confirm an age)" I think you've already noticed it the day I was contributing to Lucas' and Dawn's articles.

I've been doing some research about this subject and I found out that both Inkster and Team Rocket Grunt have had quite an interesting story to say the least, which I find relevant to this case and I'll share right away.

'''Inkster:''' This user apparently has something with the research of characters' age, looking at many articles, they've been responsible of editing the age section of many of the player characters, a small case I'd bring up is that they added Red's age from Red and Blue to Leaf's page with the excuse of "presumably Leaf has the same age that Red had in Red & Blue" yet they still add the "10-11" age to both Brendan's and May's articles by stating that that's the age they had in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald besides Brendan and May having a confirmed age, being 12, that was confirmed in the Ruby and Sapphire remakes, their excuse was, quote, unquote "Y'know, I think this information also applies to RSE Brendan and May, considering the whole multiverse thing and ORAS being seperate from RSE." For me this has no sense, if they're going to add different ages to characters based on their game, at least be consistent.

But this isn't the case that hurts the most, in Rei's and Akari's articles, Inkster was responsible of removing those two characters' ages, which previously was stated that they were 15. The reason for Inkster to remove that information, which not only was mentioned on the actual game, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, was simply because that age was mentioned by a NPC as an assumption of Rei/Akari's age so they can be part of the Survey Corps where it seems that the minimum age to be a Survey Corps member was at least 15, not to mention that no matter the character the player decides to play as, the character's counterpart would also appear on the game as another member of the Survey Corps, something that they weren't considering when editing those articles' trivia. I'd have been fine if Rei's/Akari's article didn't include any age if it wasn't for the fact that an age related to them is way clearer since that information is in the game and it actually hints something where for our current case, there isn't really anything but misinformation.

'''Team Rocket Grunt:''' It seems that you've had already somewhat of a problematic story with this user before so I suppose I shouldn't elaborate that much on explaining what's going on with this user so to put it briefly, this is a user who doesn't like to defend their point at the slightliest, they've always been reverting edits only because they disagree with previous edits and is someone who likes to assume that what they think is correct is a fact. But there's definitely something that you may not know and sums up this entire case perfectly.

A Staff Member from the Editorial Board, glik, declined Inkster's assumption on the player characters being either ten or eleven year olds, explicitly mentioning that their source DOESN'T CONFIRM ANYTHING, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ethan_%28game%29&type=revision&diff=3509642&oldid=3501915 Team Rocket Grunt had the audacity to revert glik's edit so that it can have Inkster's original edit that includes the 10/11 year old age.] By the way, when Inkster removed Rei's/Akari's age from their respective articles, they, being completely self-aware (since I have discussed with them previously) wrote "This was declined from both articles by a bereaucrat who has stated twice that the dialogue listed does not confirm anything." I am out of words, I apologize in advance for the trouble that something like an age has unleashed, I really find this whole situation completely ridiculous but I hope you take actions on this, you're the only one who I can recur to at this point.--[[User:Kynn|Kynn]] ([[User talk:Kynn|talk]]) 01:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding player character ages, some people (while not officially correctly) will assume a player character's age based on how they look or what else they have heard about the character. For example, May in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald looks like she is 7 years old to me, and another example being Lucas from Platinum seems 10 or 11.

That said, there are a few players with officially confirmed ages; Red is 11 and Elio/Selene is also 11 as stated in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 18:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Ruby_Sapphire_May.png RSE May] looks exactly the same as [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:May_AG.png her anime counterpart] (who is confirmed to be 10 there)... Sure, we don't know RSE May's exact age, but I have no idea why you believe she looks to be 7 years old, especially since there are clearly children that are shorter than her in RSE. 10/11 is very much a believable age range for her.

:Additionally, Red's age appears to be somewhat debatable. He's stated to be 11 in the American instruction manual, yet he's stated to be 10 in the European instruction manual instead; I'm not sure if his age has ever been stated in Japan (but it would certainly be the most accurate age if it was).

:In any case, I do kinda agree that the magazine shouldn't really be used as decisive proof of the ages for the protagonists (especially since Brendan/May are now listed with conflicting ages). [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:: I'm late, but honestly we shouldn't take 'it looks like it was (a certain age)'as an official age, under that logic I would say that, for example, Calem and Serena look like if they were 17 but their manga counterparts are 5 years younger than that, I'm pretty sure no one, except for the users I mentioned, think that 10/11 is a confirmed age for those characters, it just spreads misinformation because you're making others think that they actually have a confirmed age when they clearly don't.

:: I honestly don't know how this is still an issue considering that glik clearly denied the information they keep adding so Force Fire, if you're reading this, I kindly ask that those characters' articles don't show any age, at least until there's a consensus about the situation. {{unsigned|Kynn}}

:Thought I'd make it clear that I blocked you on the grounds of the passive aggressive edits you made, and not whether I agree or disagree with the addition of the ages. I can see why Inkster and TRG would think the quote hints at the ages of pre-Gen V protagonists, yet the wording does seem to be too generalized and the two seem a little too eager to say Sugimori's referring to those characters specifically. So, I also don't think it counts as confirmation, wording is too generalized to make a judgement on the pre-Gen V protagonist's ages.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::Don't worry about it, as I wrote it on my talkpage, I felt that I had to take that route because it seemed like if no-one was actually checking CharacterDex frequently and I couldn't have known otherwise if I didn't do those edits, the edit war was just very evident to me so I found weird that very few users noticed it. Again, I want to apologize if my edits seemed rude from my part, I'll make sure to remove the age from those articles and I hope that next time there'll be a proper discussion related to these kind of topics before adding them to articles.--[[User:Kynn|''Kyn ~'']] 14:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Just so you know, that interview was from when Gen V released and showed the previous protagonists, so it was obvious that Sugimori referred to games prior to Gen V. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 14:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Listen, I'm pretty sure you actually had no bad intentions on researching information for those articles but I feel like you should've contacted someone else before adding it and causing so much trouble. {{unsigned|Kynn}}
:::::Inkster, do you have proof that the book showed previous protagonists in relation to that quote, or are you saying that because Dr. Lava put stock images of the previous protagonists on their article? If it's the latter, then... that's clearly not indicative of the content of the book. It's not like that image is scanned directly from the book itself. You're far too eager to put a number to a character without taking the context of the quote. The quote seemed more a general "we were told to make them older than what we usually do" not "we were told to make the protagonists older that the previous ones, who are 10-11".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::With you logic, than wouldn't that mean the protagonists are usually 10 or 11 years old? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::It's a generic statement, not an explicit one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::The [[player character]] article sourced that interview in that context that the quote implies the protagonists are usually 10 or 11 ("They are usually 10 or 11 years old"). [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::The exact quote is ''Sugimori: “So this time we received orders from Masuda to increase the ages of Black & White’s protagonists, to make them older than the 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games.”''. It does refer to the previous protagonists. I don't believe we, as a wiki, are supposed to decide what age of a character is more correct or not. I think we should just put all the factual data on the page and let the readers interpret however they want, that's how we won't ever spread any misinformation. Saying we know ''nothing'' isn't accurate if we there exist such quote.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::Exactly because this is a wiki, there shouldn't be added any information that suggests interpretation and it's not factual, it's just a generalization rather than a confirmed age, I'm aware that a bulbapedia guideline wants to have the most amount of information in the articles as possible but that doesn't mean that every single quote made by GAME FREAK should be added on an article, it has to be relevant if there should be one. {{unsigned|Kynn}}
:::::::::::But wouldn't that Sugimori said be relevant? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 15:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::The way I see it is that, if information that is actually in a game isn't going to be considered then it has way less sense to add such a quote like this one and yes, I'm referring to Rei's and Akari's articles, as I wrote I'm fine with those not showing an age but why wouldn't they show the age that they hinted in the actual game but those other characters' articles do show an age when its source is far more recherche. {{unsigned|Kynn}}

:::::::::::::Also, I still think that the quote berely confirms something--[[User:Kynn|''Kyn ~'']] 15:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I tried to edit May's page because even if she ain't seven like I think for RSE she has to be at least 10 but clearly isn't 12. ORAS May looks like she has actually gone through puberty a little but RSE May looks like she is still very young, like under 11. [[User:Mario60866|Mario60866]] ([[User talk:Mario60866|talk]]) 02:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
:It has already been explained to you that appearances do no matter when it comes to confirming the ages of characters. Only textual evidence or confirmation from an official source can be used to determine the age of characters. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 03:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

:So, I think we can bring back Sugimori's quote about protagonists' age. Kynn doesn't think we can use information outside the games, but that's not how it's done here.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 12:04, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
::The quote doesn't say that ''all'' of the previous protagonists were 10 or 11. Additionally, Brendan/May's age in ORAS contradicts this quote as well. Even if those remakes came out after this quote, it seems strange to list two different ages for what is basically the same game. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Pokemon universe doesn't have consistent timeline nor character ages. It's fine if character has two different ages depending on the game, especially in case of ORAS which is implied to be from different timeline. Again, we DO NOT decide what's canon and what's not, we just get all the information and present it to the readers. And the quote does talk about all previous protagonists.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 11:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::::"''And the quote does talk about all previous protagonists.''"
::::This is just how you're choosing to interpret it. Saying "The 10 or 11 year olds we used in previous games" is not the same as saying "the 10 or 11 year olds we used in '''all''' of the previous games (if it was the latter, I would agree with you). For all we know, he was referring to Red/Leaf (who are confirmed to be 10/11) and the Gen 2 and/or 4 protagonists. The quote is up for interpretation, which is why it can't be used as solid evidence. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Precisely, it's a vague, generalized quote that doesn't go into specific. Again, users are all too eager to add a number whenever it shows up.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::The most straightforward interpretation is that they all were 10 or 11. His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits. Ignoring it is not a good way to deal with it. His quote still should be mentioned in the age section of these character's infoboxes.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 10:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::"''The most straightforward interpretation is that they all were 10 or 11.''"
:::::::A straightforward interpretation is still an interpretation.
:::::::"''His whole comment wouldn't make sense if it's not the first time they changed the age of the protagonits.''"
:::::::Again, it's really more of a generalization. Maybe Brendan/May were 12, but the other protagonists were 10/11, in which case the quote would still make sense; 12 would not make them significantly older than the other protagonists. Hilbert/Hilda being 14/15 is far more noticeable, hence why he noted it in the first place. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::::You're forgetting that I never originally added what he said to Brendan/May's articles, as they were already confirmed to be 12.[[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::And by "confirmed" I mean retconned. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
A "retcon" for what already seemed to be mostly a generalization (again, he never said ''all'' of the prior protagonists were 10/11) feels more like that statement shouldn't be taken entirely at face value. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
{{Indent}} I never said that, he only said "older than the 10 or 11 year-olds we used in ''previous games''" (note this interview was from when Gen V released), which ''suggests'' the Gen II and IV PCs were also within that age range. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 00:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:I'm aware of when the interview took place and I did I mention above that this was a possibility, yes. I was mainly stating that I'm not comfortable with listing the statement as hard confirmation of their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
::If it isn't considered hard confirmation, is there anything against listing them as "''about'' 10/11"? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 01:21, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::'''PokemonMasterJamal3''': Brendan and May weren't stated to be 12 at that time. I'm not saying you're supposed to believe in 100% they are that age, I'm saying it has to be noted that they all were described to be that age, otherwise it's dictating what people should think and gatekeeping the information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 22:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
::::The word "all" was never stated by Sugimori, which is what I'm trying to emphasize here. I'm not stating the info is useless or anything, I'm just saying I don't think it's concrete enough to list as their ages. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 23:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::Bottom line, ForceFire declined it, so they had the final word on this matter. It doesn't confirm anything and that's final. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 23:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::It's still the straightforward sense of this sentence, he would need to add exeptions if he wanted us to know it's not about all of them. Adding the age to the page doesn't make it universal fact it just means they were meant to be that age at some point, different games still could retcon the age multiple times. I just want us to report all what we know and not gatekeep information.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 17:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

== New Pokemon Infobox ==

Since we have a few new Pokemon today, I have an opportunity to make a suggestion. When a new Pokemon is revealed we don't know a lot of information about it which makes the infoboxes full of "Unknown" labels and the navbox on the top of the page is completely useless. I think it could be better to have a simplified version of these infoboxes to show what we know and what we're supposed to know. I made an example here: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/New_Pok%C3%A9mon_Infobox]. I think it would look more professional and complete and also, it would help keep track of all revealed Pokemon and connect their pages for better navigation, because the page "List of Pokemon by national dex" is protected, rarely updated, and it doesn't show images.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:Saw it when it was made. Instantly didn't think it was necessary. No need to fix what isn't broken. There being "unknown" in the infobox is something that can't be helped when there's new Pokemon. Same with the navbox being "useless", that's just natural for a new Pokemon article to not have much. There's also no need to have the other new Pokemon shown in the navbox, it just clogs up the article and makes it look unsightly. If people wanted to know what the other new Pokemon are, they can, you know, browse the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
:Nonetheless, I hope the staff will like this idea and not disregard it instantly.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokémon template ==
Can you fix your edit to the Legendary Pokémon template so a line is separating gen 8 and gen 9?--[[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 17:11, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

== Image debuts ==

Lusamine, Gladion, Mohn, and Professor Magnolia were all listed as picture debuts for those respective episodes, and the episodes where they physically debuted (or in Mohn's case, first appeared in a flashback) were also listed as in person debuts. There are probably more examples of this, too. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:While the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Pokémon appearances and debuts|anime manual of style]] only notes Pokemon, I think it makes sense to count human characters in the rule as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::What's the ruling on flashbacks? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::Additionally, what's the ruling on fantasy appearances? Professor Cerise's first appearance is listed as JN001 on his page, even though it was only a fantasy appearance. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I think it's a similar ruling to Pokemon (even though it's not written down), fantasies don't count as debuts while flashbacks do (and the debut would probably count twice, once for the flashback and once for the in-person appearance).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Since it's a somewhat relevant topic, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category_talk:Episodes_in_which_a_Champion_appears I posted something about Champion appearances a while back]. Do you have an opinion on this? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 16:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::That category should only count physical appearance, imo. Having fantasies/flashbacks/photos count feels like it's just bloating the category with minor appearances (though one could argue there are important flashbacks that drive the plot, so that's probably something to consider).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== MinnieG again ==

I've posted about them before, but MinnieG's edits are starting to become a bit of an issue.

They usually contain some mixture of:
# Poor grammar/awkward wording (which will often overwrite perfectly fine edits prior to it). It doesn't help that these tend to be fairly lengthy edits.
# A tendency to focus too heavily on generic character relationship aspects, such as saying that a protagonist is protective/supportive of their friends... which is a trait that every single protagonist shares (making it far from unique).
# Related to point 2, most of their edits in the "Character" section of protagonists' pages are almost exactly the same structure-wise. For example:

"Lillie at times has shown to lose her composure when pushed into a wall, becoming depresses and unsure of herself. However, Lillie manages to pick herself back up through her friends support and encouragement, which inspired her to not give up. This is shown when she decided to put an end to her fear of touching Pokémon in ''Mission: Total Recall!'' and perfecting Subzero Slammer with Snowy in ''Chasing Memories, Creating Dreams!'' because of her resolve."

"In addition, Mallow has shown to lose her composer when pushed to the side, as she would doubt herself. However, Mallow would pick herself back up through the help of her friends. This is shown when made a meal for Tapu Koko while working at Oranguru's place in ''A Recipe for Success!'' and perfected Bloom Doom with Tsarrena during her battle with Lana at the Alola Pokémon League in ''Battling Besties!'' because of her resolve." [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 20:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

:MinnieG's a user that I've kept an eye on from time to time, the way they edit is quite familiar, but I unfortunately can't do a check on them. Their repetitive edits can seem jarring, and really the only way they can stop is if the improve on their grammar, make better judgement on what is notable, and be a bit more creative with their sentences.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Deletion of "Old Verses" ==

I explained it on {{ut|Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles's talk page}}, but you think that redirect is fine. If yes, then why? Redirects for plurals are discouraged because of the way MediaWiki links work: <code><nowiki>[[Old Verse]]s</nowiki></code> gives [[Old Verse]]s. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 08:39, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:Since when has redirects for plurals been discouraged? We have [[moves]] and [[signature moves]] and [[abilities]] and plenty others. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:50, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
::Some exist (and are encouraged) due to ''irregular'' plurals, such as [[abilities]] (singular is ''ability'', note the change: -y → -ie- + -s), but you might think the [[moves]] and [[signature moves]] redirects exist rather for search reasons? --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 09:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes, plural links are good for search purposes. There is more than one Old Verse, so people are likely to search "Old Verses" searching for information about the Old Verse Key Items. And for irregular plurals, we have link templates for many of those such as {{Berries}} and {{Abilities}}. But we still have a redirect because it is useful for search purposes. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 09:13, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

==Mega Anime Move Boxes==
I was wondering if we could create a seperate anime move box for Pokemon in the anime that have mega evolved like we have for those who use Z-Moves, Dynamax and Gygantamax, for example
{{anmov/h|fighting|steel|Ash Mega Lucario {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0=Aura Sphere|1=Force Palm|2=Steel Beam|3=Double Team}}.png|Using {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}||0=Aura Sphere|1=Force Palm|2=Steel Beam|3=Double Team}}}}
{{anmov|fighting|Aura Sphere|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|fighting|Force Palm|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|steel|Steel Beam|JN086|A Battle of Mega Versus Max!}}
{{anmov|normal|Double Team|JN108|}}
{{anmov/f|steel}}--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

:With Z-moves and Dynamax moves, they are completely different moves with completely different gimmicks. Whereas the moves Mega Evolutions use are just the same regular moves. So I don't see a need to duplicate the same info.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::While I understand that, Ash-Greninja has its moves listed in a separate box. So could the same possibly apply to Mega Evolutions? Moreover, with Mega Evolutions, the template could show off the user's changed type. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:06, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Honestly, I don't think Ash-Greninja needs its own move box either. And I don't think showcasing changes in typing would be enough to justify the duplicate information. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Never noticed Ash-Greninja having its own template. I'm all for removing it due to it basically duplicating the same info as the regular form's move template. While showing a different form using a move is a good enough reason to split, I still think it's just duplicating the same info (different types also seem too minor to consider).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

==Infernape Fire Punch==
Fair enough on the previous point, just to verify, can we say for sure that Infernape definitely used Fire Punch whilst the other moves were unconfirmed?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:05, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, Fire Punch has a unique animation (I say that with certainty because I can't imagine another move that could be animated similarly, Comet Punch may be, but that has never been animated with flames).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
::In Pokémon Adventures, there was an instance of a Pokémon covering its fists with fire to attack without it using Fire Punch, so IMO, it could've been something similar and not a move at all. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Eh, I'm in the mindset of separating anime and manga. They're two different mediums that are far too different have one cancel out the other. And the unique move animation policy only covers anime (to be honest, manga never crossed my mind when I started that policy)--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Ignoring comments ==

I haven't heard anything from you about my last question about Lana's Lapras in about two weeks despite your obvious activity. What is the point of pushing for discussion if the higher ups are going to ignore them?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:There are 50+ sections on this talk page, with some being quite extensive, so it's pretty easy to miss smaller sections that are in between bigger sections like the Lana's Lapras section. For Lapras, don't think a consensus was given for Ride Pokemon at the time, but from what I can gather from Kiawe's Charizard (who was in the same boat), it was only mainspaced once it was clear that it was actually his Pokemon and not one owned by the whole family. So the same would go for Lapras, was it actually stated that it was a Pokemon she actually owns (thus would make it notable) or does her whole family own it. Again, you are just looking that the notability requirements and arbitrarily saying things are notable, without actually looking at the context/bigger picture.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for the response. I have no idea if it is owned by only her or the family, though wouldn't it still be considered Lana's regardless? And I am looking at the rules and trying to find what fits within them. Considering I keep 'missing the bigger picture' despite working on this wiki for a decade, I would say the rules are unclear or failing to convey what is actually needed for something to be mainspaced. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 23:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::I think the point Force Fire is making is that an article fulfilling the bare minimum requirements for notability doesn't automatically make it good enough for the mainspace. As for you wanting more specific rules/criteria, each article is going to have its own unique context that needs to be accounted for. There is no number of rules or extra requirements that will work for every situation. All I can say is that generally an article should be substantial and interesting to read. If an article technically fits the requirements, but seems like it's missing important context that hasn't been revealed yet, or isn't interesting and engaging enough, it's probably not ready for the mainspace. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 05:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Precisely what Landfish said. You're just reading that a Pokemon needs to be owned by a main character/appear more than three times/do more than battling, without actually thinking about the specific situations that would make a Pokemon notable. What did the Pokemon do in its non battle episodes? Did it help its trainer? Did it solve a conflict? In Lapras's case, is it actually her Pokemon? We can't expand the criteria for every specific instance because each Pokemon is different and their reasons for being notable are going to be different each time. Yes, by just simply reading the notability requirements, Lapras would be notable for being owned by a main character. But the bigger context/picture is whether Lana actually owned the Lapras. Being owned by the family doesn't mean it's solely Lana's Pokemon, it's not like she took it everywhere like Kiawe did with his Charizard nor did it have a backstory revelaing who actually owns it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Carbink & Diancie's signature typing. ==

I can understand Toxicroak & Sneaseler, for example, but Diancie is literally a mutated Carbink. How are they not related enough for their unique typing to be trivia? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Because they are no related by evolution, period. So it's not unique to one Pokemon or one evolutionary line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::True, but they are related, period. It's not a coincidence that they share the same type, so it seems silly that we can't make an exception. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:39, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Oh, and before Ultra Necrozma, didn't Lati@s have this in their trivia, despite being 2 different Pokemon? Or am I remembering wrong? (I'm trying to check, but the website's being screwy again). [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
::::They may be related by lore, but they are ''still not'' related by evolution. You can't evolve a Carbink into a Diancie, and you can't breed Diancie to get Carbink. They are still treated as individual Pokemon. Thus, they are not related by evolution, making the trivia not unique to one Pokemon or evolutionary line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::The same goes for the Lati@s twins, but they had the unique type trivia. (at least I remember them having it; I'm still having trouble checking). Why did they get special treatment? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
::::::I can assure you, Lati@s was never said to be the only Dragon/Psychic types. And even if it was, it was probably swiftly reverted, as [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latios_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2625577&oldid=2625575 these] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Latias_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2625576&oldid=2625574 two] edits from 2017 (the year Ultra Necrozma became a thing, and were the only two edits relating to their types throughout 2017) show. And it also shows that it was not reverted because of Ultra Necrozma, it was reverted because Lati@s are not related by evolution (they are related by lore, but are still treated as individual species with not evolutionary relations).
::::::And [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_unique_type_combinations&diff=2525256&oldid=2525254 this 2016 edits] on the type combination article shows the Lati@s was never in the main template but in the trivia section with Solrock/Lunatone and Carbink/Diancie.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Huh, I could've sworn it was for some reason. Very well then. I still think it should be added, but I can tell I'm not going to win this, so I'll leave it be. Good bye. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Exclusive pages for the 8 Masters/Champions ==

In view of the discussion with the Pokémon of some characters, I decided to ask this question before wasting unnecessary time. I'm working on a page of [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Lance (anime)|Lance]] and his story within the anime, trying to get away from what's on his main page (where it talks more technical details than what he actually did in the anime canon). It was close to what I was trying to do with Cynthia's page, which I left on a [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Cynthia (anime) extended history|reserve page]] to work on later, but I would like to know if if I continued this and did it for the other Champions, what are the chances of this being approved and going for mainspace?

Theoretically, the only characters I need to do this would be Steven, Diantha and Lance (which is pretty much finished already), since Iris, Leon, Cynthia, Alain and Ash already have their pages. My intention was to hand it in after the tournament was over, but as apparently there's been some discussion about what's notable and what's not, I decided to ask at once. Should I go ahead with this or are the chances of being approved zero?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 14:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== Gender difference ==

While I can agree with your point regarding Meganium's gender difference, what about Gyarados? Paul's Gyarados, for example, had blue whiskers. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:Read the {{bp|Speculation policy}}, in Paul's Gyarados's case, the female variant of Gyarados has not appeared in the anime yet so we can't use its gender difference. Just because other gender differences have been acknowledged, doesn't immediately mean all of them are acknowledge, the anime needs to acknowledge each one of them. Raichu's gender difference wasn't even acknowledged, even when Tierno's Racihu had hhr gender confirmed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
::Wasn't sure if a female Gyarados had appeared yet. Thanks. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Meganium's gender difference isn't based on length of the anthennas, but their shape. They clearly drew them in different way than previously. Oliver's Meganium has antennas pointing upwards.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
<gallery>
154Meganium OS anime.png|anime art
Elisa Meganium.png|Meganium (before adding gender difference)
File:JN020 Meganium.png|acklowledgement of the difference
</gallery>
::::Male Meganium's antennae are longer than the female, so yes, it's absolutely based off length. The shape is only like that because it's following the shape of the head, the female antennae does the same thing (it follows the shape of the head).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:::::You know well it's not true.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 22:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

== Categories ==

Could you not jump to your admin power and please start a discussion first? You know, the thing you preach that us lesser beings have to do? Both Infernape and Greninja are one of the heaviest focused Pokémon of their series and a category for their focused episode like any other important character makes sense. If someone else gets an Infernape-dumb argument but okay-then why not make the name “Ash’s Infernape” like I started with? Fixed your issue with it, right? Looking forward to your response!--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:I also want to add that reserving it for walking Pokémon is an odd cutoff. Togepi or Dedenne has hardly done anything compared to those two. Is this not worth taking another look at after a decade?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 14:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
::At one point, I made a category for episodes about Mimikyu, but came to kind of regret doing it later after seeing how little episodes it had. Could you remove it? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
:::That helps prove my point. Mimikyu is a walking Pokémon with a small amount of focused episodes. What, like 5 compared to 20? Being a walking Pokémon isn’t the best way to determine these categories.[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
::::Hello? You undid my edits and I want to talk about it.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 18:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}If you want to suggest making new categories, you need to ask on a talk page. Don't just do as you please. And it was also once deleted before, so I deleted it again. We don't need categories for literally every Pokemon a characters owns, and the ones that you deem important were really only important for their own series, unlike Pikachu or Meowth who are basically main characters. I personally would restrict it even further to just those two, or maybe include Wobbfuffet just for how long its been around.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

== User:Great designer ==

[[User:Great designer]] has left a trace of many suspicious activities here in addition to manipulating puppet accounts. The user page contains some overt information on stalking and impersonating, which they have been doing since mid-February. There is also much evidence of their insulting and harassing other users and bureaucrats on social media with ''ad hominem'' attacks followed by long and opaque statements. The user claims to have sent an email and addressed some unspecified topics on 17 June 2020 (UTC). The message was left on [[User talk:DzaiSheng]] and [[User talk:Great designer]], but no such email has been received as of now. This makes their latest activity very dubious. The eponymous account on 52Poké has been permanently banned since late April for repeated misuse and appropriation of contributions by others in and out of the site. Considering his wrongdoings on the sibling site and on social media, I would suggest keeping a close watch over what they vow to do next.[[User:DzaiSheng|DzaiSheng]] ([[User talk:DzaiSheng|talk]]) 09:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

== Add Page to template. ==

Heya,

I made [[List of other event distributions (Generation IX)]], as the first distribution for Scarlet and Violet had just been announced. Can this page be added to [[Template:Event Pokémon]]? Also the Generation 4 GTS link on this template links to a redirect, if this can be corrected or the original page moved back to where it used to be. [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
::You deleted the Generation 7 page from the template there.[[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 18:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Oops, fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 18:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
:::: Can you also add: [[List of internet event Pokémon distributions (Generation IX)]], and also the lochide function to the [[Template:LAevent/head]] template so its consistent with the standard [[Template:G8event/head|generation 8]] template? Thanks! -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 13:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::: Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::Get rid of the extra <code><nowiki>style="</nowiki></code> and it should work. The line should read like this: <code><nowiki>! style="{{#if: {{{lochide|}}}|display:none;}} background:#{{Legends Arceus color light}}" | Location</nowiki></code> -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 14:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::: And [[List of local event Pokémon distributions (Generation VIII)]]-- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 11:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

:Add [[List of serial code event Pokémon distributions (Generation IX)]] -- [[User:4iamking|4iamking]] ([[User talk:4iamking|talk]]) 06:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
::Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon in Russia]] ==

Would it be a good idea to hide the two latest revisions from Inkster on this article, since the vandalism is still present and visible there? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
:Oh and it's visible in your last revision too. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Looks like Inkster didn't remove all of the vandal's edit in their undo edit, so my rollback of the vandal only removed what Inkster removed. I've hidden all the edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Volcanion ==

Did you intend to make Volcanion's species page only editable by administrators? [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 05:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
:Oh... um... oops. Fixed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

== Type specialists ==

Hi! Sorry to bother you, but I was hoping to get your input on [[User talk:Pale Prism#Specialists|this discussion]] about type specialists. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 00:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
:Bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 01:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
::Bumpity, bumpity bump. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 23:33, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
:::Ugh. — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 04:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::It would be nicer to restart the topic instead of bumping an existing one. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 07:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

== Goh's Arctozolt ==
Hey, I rewatched some of Journeys's old episodes, and saw that Goh's Arctozolt appeared in (at least) three episodes. Its debut episode, well it was prominent for about 90% of the episode (unlike most of Goh's Pokémon). And like, I said, made a few more (somewhat) prominent appearances on Journeys. I already have a draft created, so can I have permission to officially post an Arctozolt article on the Main Page of Bulbapedia?

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 04:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
:The notability requirements states: Those that haven't had plot significance must be used by him in at least two different episodes, in addition to their capture episode. So Goh needs to use it one more time. Just appearing three times means nothing if it only did something notable in one of those times. Side note: if you're wondering, yes I checked all of Goh's other reserve Pokemon and they still meet the requirement of being used by him at least twice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

== Type specialists+ ==

Hi! So, according to you, [[Elesa]] should qualify as a notable {{type|Electric}} specialist of her sex because she's the only female out of six. On the other hand, [[Bede]] shouldn't count as a notable {{type|Fairy}} specialist of his sex because he's the only male out of four.

Honestly, that's all fine and dandy, but it leads to an obvious question: what about characters who are 1 in 5? — '''[[User:Pale Prism|⚫︎ Pale Prism ⬟]]''' [ [[User talk:Pale Prism|Talk]] ■ [[Special:Contributions/Pale Prism|Contribs]] ] 00:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
:These "x out y" trivia should be based on common sense, you don't need to ask for every single different variation. What's next? is 1 out of 7 notable? Just use a bit of common sense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
::<q>These <q>x out y</q> trivia should be based on common sense.</q> Agreed! Wonderful. Brilliant… Very enlightening… All of my questions have been answered?!
::Really though, I agree that there should be a standard as to how to deal with these situations. Your ideas are great and all, but I'm more concerned with accuracy and consistency. As per the existing standards, I was under the impression that 1 in 4 was notable, and 1 in 6 wasn't, but I guess that that's completely arbitrary? 1 in 5 is completely up in the air? There's not something in the Bulbapedia help guide that says otherwise, is there?
::I'm not asking about every single case (I legitimately don't know how you arrived at such a weird conclusion); I was presented with a 1/6 case and a 1/4 case, and I wanted to know what the intermediate case would be. {{unsigned|Pale Prism}}
:::IIRC 1/3 and 1/4 are generally not considered notable. 1/5 is probably going to be a case-by-case situation. 1/6 is probably fine, but again it may depend on the context. Instead of focusing on an exact number rule, Force Fire is (probably) saying that we should consider the context and think about whether it makes sense in the first place for that trivia to be included. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 04:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

==[[Ivysaur_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#May.27s_Ivysaur|May's Ivysaur]]==
Before getting into an edit war, I would like to know what criteria are used to consider a Pokemon that has never been shown in the anime, a "notable appearance".
I undid that part and then it was undone (for a change...). Not even May's Venusaur has exactly notable criteria in the anime.

Since it doesn't have a section for Clemont's Helioptile, Gary's Wartotle or Paul's Grotle (which is fair), it doesn't seem to make any sense to do that.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:54, 06 July 2022 (UTC)
:Decided to remove it after some reconsideration. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 22:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

== Diantha (anime) ==

Does [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Diantha (anime)|this]] page have the requirements to go to mainspace?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 23:25, 09 July 2022 (UTC)
:All she has done is battle. Even if the Masters 8 Tournaments are more notable battles, the "only battled" rule does not take into account importance. It's still just a battle. And expanding a simple sentence and making overly detailed '''will not''' make an article more notable. It just bloats the article with unnecessary fluff. It's not the size of the article that determines notability. It's the actions of the character.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm not going to argue, I'm sad but unfortunately ok. Just wanted to say, when I make detailed pages for Diantha, Bea, or Cynthia, I don't want to put unnecessary material. This is character development, making an article and just putting that character "appears in episode X, reappears in episode Y, appears in flashback in episode Z" is simpler to eliminate pages of the characters and put a table with the appearances only. Cynthia's page before I tried to add content looked like a draft, which is pretty weird for one of the more developed characters in the anime.
:::But as I said I won't argue or try to make anyone change their mind, it's up to me to accept and let it go,I won't delete the pages of the characters I created if someday the staff thinks these pages are ready for mainspace, they will be there. Thanks for the feedback anyway. --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::I would like to know if the page has already met the requirements to be able to go to mainspace. At the end of Journeys I intend to request the deletion of practically all my userpages and this is one that I would like to get some approval for because it took considerable time to do. -[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 02:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Image error ==

There's an ongoing error that's been happening for a couple of days. Whenever there's a new image uploaded, it shows this: Error creating thumbnail: /bin/bash: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory Error code: 127. How long do you think it'll take for this to be fixed? [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 02:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

== Element symbol ==

I think it's more precisely referred to as an "element symbol", though some people use the term "periodic symbol" as well, so it's probably fine as it is. "Chemical symbol" usually also includes information such as the mass number and the atomic number and such, so that's probably not the best term to use. Just thought I'd inform you! [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 06:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
:I see, thanks.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger ==

AlolanRanger has continued to post dubious trivia with poor grammar ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN109&diff=3545647&oldid=3536333 like here, for example)]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 15:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

== Floette ==

There's currently an edit war on the Floette page regarding the use of the term "Legendary Pokémon" to refer to Eternal Flower Floette. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 08:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

== you dont add powerful ==

that doesn't make sense

Paul's Urusing has it down to eb extremely powerful You have down for Ash Palpitoad as physical tough and many other pokemon in the Series that has something similar

we have Ash dragonite as extremely resilient and strong Pokémon

Ash Heracros as powerful battler

so what the difference to me its called Nothing. Im pretty sure, you all against me thats why when I add something you all need to jump at me {{unsigned|Gian9456}}

== Trivia ==

JN91 Same Trivia Me has seen In AG178 and M18 page trivia section [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 17:40, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
:Doesn't matter, it's not notable the third time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I was skip--Gian9456 01:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

== Am I still blocked? ==

I recently tried editing MY PAGE, and saw that any of my edits resulted in level three vandalism. I took a look at the FAQ page. and I saw that I could be in an abuse condition, am I right about this? [[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 13:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Are you trying to edit your ''user''page? Because if so, you have to be {{bp|autoconfirmed}} before you can edit your userpage. To become autoconfirmed, you have to have been a user for some time and make a certain number of '''main'''space edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

::Oh sorry, actually I was talking about my own talk page.[[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 13:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Are you trying to remove the welcome template, or any other content, again? That's probably why. Please stop trying to remove content from your talk page, per the {{bp|Talk page policy}}, leave any discussion and the welcome template as they are.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:::It wasn't the welcome message that I tried to remove, but my statements, which I consider insignificant, i read the Talk Page Policy, and saw I really can't do this. I really want to believe that no administrator used their power to manipulate this rule and that it has NEVER BEEN BROKEN. Even without the concrete answer, I conclude that I am no longer blocked, thanks for your attention, [[User:Figalho|Figalho]] ([[User talk:Figalho|talk]]) 14:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== JN119 ==

The episode currently titled as JN119 ("Chloe and Eevee - The Miracle of Evolution") was confirmed not to be a numbered episode yesterday. It's going to be a clip show episode instead. Could you move and renumber episode articles accordingly? Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:As in, an unnumbered clip show. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
::Moved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:30, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Okay, now things are becoming confusing, since the official anipoke_pr Twitter page is not calling the clip show "episode 119", after all. I do not know how long the episode will be, but if it turns out to be a normal length episode, I suppose it should be moved back. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::All this discussion is kind of irrelevant until the episode is officially aired, no? If the episode has unreleased scenes, it's basically a normal episode. The mention of it being episode 119 is more because the episode is taking up the show's traditional timeslot, I think.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) ([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC))
:::::We're aware. It's best to wait 'til the episode airs and see how things play out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::I'd say we can count this as a regular episode. While a clip show and a bit longer than a normal episode, it had an opening, commercial break, end credits, and a next episode preview. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

== Another pointless edit war ==

Somehow, there is still an edit war on the [[player character]] article relating to ages, which is even more pointless as you have previously stated the used source is a vague generalization that doesn't go into specific details. The segment on the article itself ("They are usually 10 or 11 years old" is reminisent of the "all trainers are 10" conclusion that many jump to without any official confirmation. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:04, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:There's a difference between saying that source implies certain characters are 10/11 and using it as generic, catch-all source as the player character articles uses it. It's fine on the player character article as it's being used in a general context rather than it saying that ''specific'' characters are 10/11.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:23, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::If this is saying they're ''generally'' 10-11 as opposed to ''specific'' ones, wouldn't that make it acceptable be added to their articles as "According to Ken Sugimori, the protagonists are ''usually'' 10 or 11 years of age" in a general context or? [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 13:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:::It's fine on the general player character article, but not the individual specific characters because it doesn't name which ones.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::::I see. Although I'd like to mention that Red's article says that he is 10 in the European version, but I can't find any source that confirms this. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 13:54, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

== MinneG yet again ==

I've posted about them twice in the past, but I would like to bring up their edits once again.

Compare [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3552885&oldid=3552701 their most recent edit to Chloe's Eevee] to these other edits made by confirmed Kittystyler sockpuppets:

* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3331916&oldid=3331873 Example 1]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3334421&oldid=3334100 Example 2]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3340321&oldid=3339909 Example 3]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3358172&oldid=3352145 Example 4]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chloe%27s_Eevee&diff=3399183&oldid=3396956 Example 5]

At this point, I find it extremely difficult to believe that this could be anyone other than Kittystyler.

Additionally, even outside of them being a likely sockpuppet, MinnieG's poor grammar and tendency to focus too heavily on minor details (such as overfocusing too much on character relationships) has continued to be an issue despite the multiple messages on their talk page.

I'm aware that a check is not really an option at this point, but is there really nothing that can be done? [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
:I've been monitoring this use for a while, and while I can't do an IP check, their edits are way too similar to past sockpuppets to not be KittyStyler. They've been blocked.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

== Cynthia's Garchomp ==

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cynthia%27s_Garchomp&oldid=3553808

''Be patient, it can be added after the episode airs. Stop rushing things just to be the first.''

I've noticed that several things I post are reversed but strangely when other users post THE SAME CONTENT it goes by smoothly, so I start to think that it actually has something to do with what I post. It wasn't enough that I was forced to delete my discord account because I had a "pseudo admin" coming to piss me off in my inboxes.

You once said that I take things too personally, but certain actions don't do much to erase that idea.

I uploaded the image because it was released in high resolution and hosted it on the site, as I did '''EVERY TIME''' I hosted an image. It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be first in something. Good night--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 22:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC))

== Iamdisha ==

Despite having been warned about it three times, Iamdisha continues to be making an excessive number of edits in a short period of time. They seem to have a history of ignoring their talk page, so I didn't see any point in giving them a fourth warning that they'll just ignore, so I figured I'd bring it to your attention instead. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:10, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

== New Episode Category ==

Hello, I would like to know if you object to me creating a category of episodes focused on Cynthia, since she has some episodes that don't involve battles, I believe it makes sense to have that.--([[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC))
:[[:Category:Episodes in which a Champion appears]] should suffice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]]

== Am I allowed to do this? If so, is there a fast way to do it? ==

In the Pokemon GO section, every Pokemon that learns Frustration/Return has a {{tt|‡|As Shadow/Purified Pokémon}} symbol next to it. That symbol is also used for moves that can no longer be learned or require an Elite TM, so I think it'd be better replace it with a [[File:GO Shadow icon.png|24px]] and [[File:GO Purified icon.png|24px]] respectively. Would this be allowed, and is there an easy way to do it? (ie, BulbaBot or something?) [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 04:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

Heya. How are you doing?
I’d like to make a suggestion: instead of using screenshots for moves and 3D Pokémon sprites, why not use GIFs instead, like for the moves as they appear in 2D? In the case of moves, they allow users to see what a move fully looks like without having to go to YouTube. I think it’s better than using multiple screenshots. What do you think?

Also, mind telling me what it’s like in Australia? :D [[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 12:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
:That's never gonna happen. Animated models are simply too large and will cause slower load times, especially if we're going to have multiple of them animated. It's simply not worth it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry to butt in, but this should only be part of Bulbapedia's past, NOT present. I may know that already, but other EP wikis don't care and just put animated 2D renders of the models. Also, I think this is mostly a very historic "policy", which Bulbapedia tends to adhere to, but in a really bad way. This was, I think, only part of worries that e.g. it will cause memory leaks while rendering the image in IE (which we mustn't worry about now). It's never too early or too late to introduce them. --'''''[[User:Bfdifan2006|Bfdifan2006]]''''' ([[User talk:Bfdifan2006|T]]/[[Special:Contribs/Bfdifan2006|C]]) 15:15, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
:::The issue isn't that we don't want them, the issue is that the files would be too large for the site to handle, as well as having more than one animated image on an article, which may cause severe load times.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:24, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

== Evolution data ==

I noticed the explanation for reversions was "consistency"

My response: consistency with what?

At the time of the edits no other Generation IX Pokémon page had the sentence, and the pages for those Pokémon in question still do not. Cetitan still does not. Fidough still does not. The starters still do not. What does it need to be consistent with?

My stance: wouldn’t it make more sense to leave out evolution data until the game releases, or at the very least if a trailer drops? Because the use of the sentence "It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon” is kinda synonymous with Pokémon that don’t evolve at all. We don’t know if any of these Pokémon will have evolved forms, so why use a sentence that insinuates they won’t? At the least just put the word “currently” in there. [[User:Crummymummy|Crummymummy]] ([[User talk:Crummymummy|talk]]) 18:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:It's to be consistent with all other Pokémon not known to have an evolution. Aerodactyl ''could'' get an evolution in Gen IX too but that doesn't mean we remove the evolution info for it. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 20:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
::It's to be consistent with all the other 805 Pokemon, not just the other Gen IX Pokemon. Just because some of them don't have it, doesn't mean none of them should have it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Adding to Unique Type Combination templates ==
Hello, I'm here to suggest adding a Gen VIII column to the Former Unique Type Combination template, an several Gen IX Pokemon have sent other Pokemon into that chart. [[User:PinkYoshiGaming|PinkYoshiGaming]] ([[User talk:PinkYoshiGaming|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:It's on my list of things to do.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 19:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger ==

[[User talk:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] is still solely focusing on adding unnotable trivia to articles. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 21:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== Question ==

Is it possible for regular users to edit the sprites section of Pokémon articles? If so, could you show me how, please?[[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 11:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
:If you mean the spritebox, then no, only staff members can edit those.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, okay, thanks for letting me know. I asked because I thought that using GIFs for 3D Pokémon sprites would be better than using static images.[[User:Eternium-Z|Eternium-Z]] ([[User talk:Eternium-Z|talk]]) 11:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:Animated models are out of the question as they can be very large in size and will cause the site to load slower, especially if were to have multiple animated models playing at the same time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::Animated models from generation 6 like on [https://projectpokemon.org/home/docs/spriteindex_148/3d-models-generation-1-pok%C3%A9mon-r90/ this site] weight around 200KB, same like some of BW sprites which are already used on Bulbapedia. I think we could eventually update models for newer generation. I guess it depends on the tech guys behind Bulbapedia when they fix image issues.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 13:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Is there any way they could be set to only load the GIF/APNG and animate if hovered over, with the first frame being loaded as a static image the rest of the time? I've seen that capability on other platforms, having them be "static images unless interacted with" could reduce the strain, they could play one at a time versus all at once. [[User:Atrius97|Atrius97]] ([[User talk:Atrius97|talk]]) 14:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::::Or maybe we could start having separate gallery pages for each Pokémon. Something like [[Pikachu (Pokémon)/Gallery]]. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 14:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::I would even expand that on "non-essential data" (or with a different name). The most common complains about Bulbapedia I hear is that you need to scroll over a lot of data to see what you really want, stats, moves or weaknesses.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 18:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

== Please don't break the rules ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia:Userspace_policy Here] it is written that: "'''Users at administrator level or above have the authority to delete any content they feel is breaching the userspace policy. Offenders will generally be given a day or two to "rescue" their content and save it somewhere that isn't on Bulbapedia.'''". I didn't break any rule so I don't see a reason to be banned besides you being prejudiced against me. If you want me to put that edit on my subpage then at least don't make it impossible to access. It doesn't make any difference to me and I would be happy to talk instead of all this.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:14, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
:As I presume you just completely ignored my comment on your talk page, here is the same message.
:Once again, you must be reminded on this. Do '''not''' go around making largescale edits without permission, especially if you are going to just undo yourself. That makes it completely unnecessary and almost vandal-like. If you want to showcase a suggestion, do so in your userspace, stop going around acting like the site is your play thing. Before you cry "it's not in any policies", it's common sense. Not everything needs to be written down, particularly when it comes to common sense things. Also, I was being pretty lenient in my reminder in the previous discussion, but your snarky response suggests you don't want me to be lenient. It doesn't matter if you're making mainspace ideas, it doesn't make you above policy or of higher authority, you still need to abide by it.

So next time you have some giant suggestion, make a userpage. Do '''not''' make such an unnecessary edit.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

:It really makes no difference to me. Add that to the rules. I thought I'm making it simpler for everyone by not making new pages for no reason. So, anyway what's your opinion on that suggestion? Btw, I found two subpages of mine that I don't use [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/Template] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Team_Rocket_Grunt/Categorytable], can you delete them, please?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
::I'm not addind common sense to the policy. Common sense doesn't need to be written, not every little thing that users disagree with needs to be written down in a policy.
::And if it makes no difference to you, then that implies you'd do it again. Once again showing no real fear of consequence. If you do such a thing again, it doesn't make it any more right. The penalty will just be harsher.
::No one is going to bregrudge you for making another userpage with suggestions, why would you even think that.
::If you want my opinion on your suggestion, it's similar to what Nescientist said, less colors more simple listing. Less is more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:50, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
:::What? Saying it makes no difference to me means I'll do it your way. So, can I have this page visible again so I could copy it on my userspace?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 21:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
::::I will make a page, presently, in your userspace with the copy (minus categories) of the [[Type expert]] edit you made.
::::As ForceFire says, user pages exist for a very good reason. If it's for site ideas, just use one. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::Ok. And you also could state your opinion about it. So far I've heard it's a step in good direction.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 21:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Narrator (WCS) ==

I would like to know, can [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Narrator (WCS)|this page]] be promoted to mainspace? BigDocFan also suggested another name, what is the best option to refer to this character in your opinion?-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:Announcer is probably a more suitable name and the parenthesis should be the region they're from unless you are certain they're all the same person and not another Joy/Jenny/Don George sort of deal. Otherwise, I think it's fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:54, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Milcery ==

Caterpie taken more time to evolve in the episode where it caught while Goh's Milcery Evolve just 1 minute after she caught first Pokemon Evolve in quickest time me not written same episode caught or evolve [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 16:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Can you check a certain user? ==

I have some suspicions about AutumOcto, who I think may be a sockpuppet of a particular user. They're not quite as blatant as MinnieG, but the edits are still fairly similar. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

== Spambots ==

[[User talk:WildaFabian17|WildaFabian17]] and [[User talk:JosefPrendergast|JosefPrendergast]] seem to be spambots. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 07:55, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

== Articles promoted to Main Page ==
Hey there. I created a few drafts for some of Goh's Pokémon after I recently went on a Journeys rewatch marathon, and created these Draft Articles after I believed (IMO) that these Pokémon had, again IMO, enough noteworthy appearances. Of course, I wanted to check with an admin to see if they're good enough to be "promoted" to Bulbapedia's main pages.

*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Venomoth|Goh's Venomoth]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Dustox|Goh's Dustox]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Taillow|Goh's Taillow]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Lilligant|Goh's Lilligant]]
*[[User:HygorBH/Goh's Floette|Goh's Floette]]
Regardless of your answer, thanks in advance! [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 02:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Only Venomoth and Taillow meet the notability requirements. Liligant and Floette has not made enough notable appearances, while Dustox doesn't have any notable appearances.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:: While we're on the subject, I know that Goh's Pokémon need at least three episodes of noteworthy appearance to receive their own articles, IIRC. But, Goh's Absol only has two episodes on the "History" description. So, I'm assuming that if a Pokémon had an entire episode dedicated to them, it drops to 2 episodes instead of 3? So, if let's say, Falinks had another noteworthy appearance, it would then receive its own article, since it also had a whole episode dedicated to it? [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 19:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Also, also, does that mean, I have permission to create an official article for Goh's Venomoth? Like, if I do, I won't get in trouble? And Taillow for that matter. {{unsigned|HygorBH}}
:::::''Only Venomoth and Taillow meet the notability requirements.''

:::::Does this mean that Venomoth and Taillow can be moved to mainspace?-[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::::::Venomoth and Taillow are fine to be mainspaced.
::::::As for Hygor's other question, yes, if a Pokemon has a very prominent role in its capture episode, it counts as an episode it had an impact on, so it's notable once it appears more than once (in a non background capacity at least, ie. not just standing idly). Otherwise, the second part of Goh's rule comes into play (the Pokemon needing to be used by Goh in some capacity in more then two episodes).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::::::: OK. So, I'll create pages for Venomoth and Taillow and place it on the main page. I just hope I don't get into trouble afterwards. [[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 17:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::In fact, the process would just move the page to mainspace, Hygor. It is not necessary to create a new page to place your content.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 20:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

== Leon Charizard ==

''For rival characters and other recurring characters, only their signature Pokémon may have an article created about them. An exception may be made if another Pokémon that is not the signature has had an impact on the series. One example of this would possibly be Gary's Arcanine. Jimmy and Marina also fall into this category. If a rival's signature Pokémon does nothing more than battle or has no major impact on the plot, then it is not notable for an article and instead should have a section on its Trainer's page.''
:Leon's Charizard fits this criteria. Can we please stop pretending it hasn't had an impact on the series? If you want to argue that it hasn't, look at episodes [[JN042]] to [[JN045]]. This Pokémon has had more notability than many rival Pokémon that do have pages. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
::Take [[Harrison's Blaziken]], [[Nando's Roserade]], and [[Miette's Slurpuff]] as random examples. Please explain what these signature rival Pokémon have done that makes them worthy of a page when Charizard isn't? --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 20:35, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Being a signature Pokémon is just one of the criteria. And Miette's Slurpuff is an actual character that does things besides battle and has an article that is interesting to read. Also, just because some older articles no longer fit the newer criteria does not mean that newer articles don't still have to meet the criteria. The article still just amounts to Charizard battling and does not make for an interesting read. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
::::Interesting read and relevant read are different things. Even if a majority of it's appearances are battling, it has still done things related to the plot of the series: serving as Ash's main goal, helping stop the Darkest Day, training with Ash, its backstory with Leon. I also don't understand the issue with battling. It's Pokémon. Battling is the main pull of the franchise. It makes sense that it will be heavily featured. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 00:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:::::That's rather the point. A Pokémon engaging in Pokémon battles is the norm, not a special exception that makes it distinct and interesting enough for its own article. We don't have an article for every Pokémon that has battled in more than one episode. And there are plenty of Pokémon (such as those belonging to Gym Leaders) that Ash has had to battle for his journey, some across multiple episodes. That doesn't make the Pokémon itself interesting or notable enough to have its own article. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 00:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}Leon is a Champion, so he falls under rule 4 not rule 3. And in accordance to rule four, only their signatures get articles if they have done more than battle. Charizard only meets half of that requirement.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:09, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:''Gym Leaders may have an article about their signature Pokémon, but only if it did more than just battle in the episode(s) it appeared in and had some impact on the plot''
::Leon is said to be Ash's main rival in Journeys so I'm not sure why you think he doesn't fall under both categories. Either way, Charizard helped stop the Darkest Day. That is having an impact on the plot and still qualifies it. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Force Fire, I put this on your talk page because I wanted to have this discussion with you. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 10:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
::::I've already explained in previous discussions why Charizard's role in darkest day isn't worth noting. All it did was battle the Eternatus, it didn't help the main characters get to their goal (as is the case with Steven's Metagross where it helped the main characters infiltrate Team Flare's base).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:11, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::I really think you're nitpicking this. Charizard is the main Pokémon of both a rival and champion and has participated in events outside of a battle. By definition of the rules, it should have a page. [[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 11:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::Not gonna make a new thread for this but I definitely agree. Other champion's Pokemon have done less than Leon's Charizard and have a mainspace page (see Diantha's Gardevoir). After their Final Battle, Charizard came with Leon to visit Pikachu in the Pokémon Center and the two butted heads, indicating a sort of rivalry or bond that has formed. I don't think anyone besides a few mods genuinely thinks that it's not notable enough for its own page (especially with its appearances in other media as well, not just anime). [[User:Meanscreen|Meanscreen]] ([[User talk:Meanscreen|talk]]) 06:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

== AlolanRanger again ==

Despite having been warned multiple times about adding dubious trivia and/or trivia with poor grammar, AlolanRanger is still at it.
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN130&diff=3591070&oldid=3590901 Example 1]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN130&diff=3590324&oldid=3590315 Example 2]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN129&diff=prev&oldid=3588718 Example 3]
* [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN013&diff=prev&oldid=3582541 Example 4]

They've been notified multiple times over the past two months, but to no avail. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 17:33, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

== MazieGatlin ==

[[User talk:MazieGatlin|MazieGatlin]] appears to be a spambot. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 08:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

== Shipping overhaul ==

What do you mean by "shipping overhaul? Just wondering. Cause evidence is the necessary purpose of the prove of the Amourshipping. [[User:Kevin128|Kevin128]] ([[User talk:Kevin128|talk]]) 01:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
:I've explained on your talk page, you can also check [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Shipping#Bulbapedia and Shipping]] for more information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

== Hikaru Wazana ==

Hikaru Wazana has an anime image source that they use for images from the newest episodes. The thing is, however, that those images are not the best available quality, and end up always being upgraded later, making the initial uploads unnecessary. HW has been asked several times to stop this practice because of this, but they have nevertheless continued it, the latest case being with today's episode images. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:And here we go again....
:I take 1080p HD quality footage of the episode that I watch, BigDocFan knows where I download the episodes. There are no better quality images of the episodes than this(Unless I get them out of the Tv Tokyo office).
:But let's play for real that you're doing this because I'm myself, I don't know what wrong I did to you, but apparently forcing me to delete my personal discord profile (which I use for other things that don't involve Bulbapedia ) is not enough, right?
:What's your problem with me anyway? --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 18:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::As I recall, you chose to leave your own Discord account. I did not force you to do anything. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Yes, I left it because you don't know the difference between "space" and "proper place of things", even after I said that my Discord account is not your space to complain about things and what matters here should be dealt with here.
:::And as far as I know I shouldn't even argue with you, you're as much a user as I am, you're not part of the admin and you don't have any position here. But apparently, you haven't realized that yet.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 19:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::No need to be rude. Giving constructive criticism is not disallowed. And I don't recall doing it in any sort of insulting way. It is not a right exclusively reserved for Admins. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

{{indent}}From what I'm gathering, from the few files I've checked, could just be a case of someone else having a better image, but it doesn't necessarily mean Hikaru's images are bad (at least, not from what I can tell). I see no problem with it, just as long as its of acceptable quality. As for image sourcing, they probably just screenshot the episode image, nothing wrong with that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
:HW's upload of Horace's Virizion is of lesser quality, and also features the TV Tokyo watermark, which is definitely something to avoid. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:55, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
::[[User_talk:Hikaru_Wazana#Horace_Virizion]]
::And then you come with hypocrisy saying that I shouldn't be rude to you.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Being rude is not polite. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::I'm being polite enough, if we were somewhere else, or social media, I would have already said what I really wanted to say to you. For me, this discussion was already over. But I hope the admins are seeing what happens here.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 17:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

== Pages to approval/delletion ==

As I said before, I'm going to review some pages and try to leave others aside. I would like to know which of these pages here, I get approval and the following would be the first to be deleted.

The Helioptile one is part of something I want to build here, and I think the Pokemon should meet the requirements to be in mainspace.

'''approval'''
* [[User:Satsjoe/Alexa's Helioptile]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Diantha (anime)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Iki Town festival tournament]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Paldea League]]
'''delletion'''
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Template:Quillon's Pokémon]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Template:Volkner's Pokémon]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Template:Marnie's Pokémon]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Project Mew (Mission Regis)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Darkest Day (anime)]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Danika's Urshifu]]
* [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Alcremie]]
Could you be helping me with this?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 18:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::Helioptile isn't notable, per rule 3 regarding recurring character's Pokémon. Gogoat at least had some notable appearances, whereas Helioptile didn't do much. And simply appearing doesn't mean anything, it needs to do something. The only argument you could make is that it's her signature, which is debatable.
::Diantha has only battled in all her appearances to date. The only time she didn't battle was during the Team Flare arc, which even then she didn't do anything that notable.
::It seems fine, but manga is not my expertise. Ask for second opinions regarding this.
::The Paldea league article will be made once the games are out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Ox, would it be up to you to delete the Padela League page? Could you delete [[User:Hikaru Wazana/Pokémon Performer|this one]] too?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 11:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
::::If you want it to be deleted. Could still be mainspaced once the games are out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

== Chloe: a main character confirmation? ==

[https://twitter.com/anipoke_PR/status/1591672205040943105 An official piece of artwork] features Chloe alongside all of Ash's friends. Does this count as evidence towards Chloe being counted as a main character or not? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
:The artwork leaves out Goh, so I would say no. The official site still doesn't list Chloe as main character, as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
::Ah, okay. Didn't know about an official site listing. Got it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

== Preview ==
Where is Preview button and how to use it what is happen with Preview button [[User:AlolanRanger|AlolanRanger]] ([[User talk:AlolanRanger|talk]]) 10:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
:It is the button right next to the '''Save changes''' button, marked as '''Show preview'''--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

== Potential sockpuppet? ==

Do you think you could check the user "FairyType"? I heavily suspect that they may be yet another sockpuppet of a certain person. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 16:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
:Certainly seems like it. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 18:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
::I've looked into it and found no matches, but I'll keep an eye out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

== *facepalm* ==

I find it very absurd that somehow ''that'' information is denied from being added to the characters' articles for "not listing which ones", even though the article for PCs clearly states ''"from Generation I to IV, the player characters were always 10 or 11 years old"'', which I find rather counterproductive. It's already a hassle trying to interpret and search for vague character lore. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 14:27, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:To be fair, it actually said "usually" prior to SnorlaxMonster's edit, so I adjusted it back to its original wording. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 14:54, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::What does "usually" have to do with what I said? We don't know if Brendan/May are 12 as the player while they are as the rival. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 17:09, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:::The (as rival) parenthesis already suggests that it's exlusive to them being the rival. No need to overcomplicate.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::::I know that because I was the one who added the (as rival) prarenthesis. I don't see any reason not to include that bracket on the Johto and Sinnoh PCs. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 17:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::Those don't have their ages revealed when they are the rival, at least, not that I remember. If you're talking about the interview, then you're clearly not getting it. I've already explained to you countless times why that source can't be used for ''specific'' characters, but you refuse to listen nor let it go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::This discussion wouldn't even been had if you had actually read the interview. Nobody knows what he meant by "previous games", blatantly assuming it meant "all games prior to Gen V" is speculation at most. In fact, there's almost no reason for an article like this to contain meaningless trivia such as ages. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 21:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

== Houfuku ==

Noticed you made an edit on {{m|Comeuppance}} and changed hōfuku to houfuku. However, the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Romanization|manual of style]] says any variation of a long お, including おう, is to berendered as ō. Should we revert? [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 01:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

== New Page Proposals ==

Hi! I also left a message on [[User talk:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]], but there are a few notable Pokémon that I would like to make pages for because they are on par with articles such as [[Pikachutwo]], [[Crystal Onix]], and [[Pink Butterfree]]. These would be [[Bulbasaurtwo]], [[Squirtletwo]], [[Charmandertwo]], [[Venusaurtwo]], [[Blastoisetwo]], [[Charizardtwo]], [[Giant Alakazam]], [[Giant Gengar]], [[Giant Jigglypuff]], [[Purple Kecleon]], and [[Orange Archipelago Butterfree]]. (the "Giant" Pokémon might be changed to "Ancient" because I think it was either that or something like that they they were titled with). Would this be okay? —[[User:ParkerHaley2003|ParkerHaley2003]] ([[User talk:ParkerHaley2003|talk]]) 1:12, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
:None of the Pokémon you've suggested are notable, per the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Notability requirements|notability requirements]]. They all did not do much in the episodes they appeared in, the Mewtwo clones and giants just battled, which is not enough to consider giving them pages.
:For the existing articles you brought up, Pikachutwo had a significant appearance in Mewtwo Returns, the Crystal Onix and Pink Butterfree were Pokemon of the day - thus meeting rule seven of the notability requirements.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:38, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

== Paradox Pokemon relation ==

How would you like to write the notes on top of the pages like "Delibird (Pokemon)" that Paradox Pokemon like "Iron Bundle" are their futuristic versions/counterparts/what else? I see you reverted a few edits like that, maybe right wording is the problem but omitting them completely is not an option.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 10:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
:Considering they aren't, or haven't been confirmed to be, related to those Pokemon, it doesn't really belong on in the lede like other Pokemon with evolutionary family/forms/megas whatnot. The best place is the trivia and with less definitive wording.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
::They are related by design. It feels really disingenius to omit such information. How about this:
:::''Generation IX introduced Paradox Pokemon Iron Bundle that appears to be inspired by Delibird, however no relation between these two was confirmed.''
--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 18:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
::::That wording is fine, it's only the placement that I'm not too 100% on. But considering we're also placing convergent evolution in the lede, it should be fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:32, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::If that helps, Iron Jugulis's Pokedex entry mentions it being an offspring of Hydreigon.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 15:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::You can check "Paradox Pokemon" page. Every Pokemon they're based on are mentioned in "Enigmas of Paldea". That's all you wanted.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 19:05, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I really need you to answer that because you have no argument anymore and I don't have any reason to not add these notes.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 16:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
::::::::My last response wasn't an argument against the addition... no need for the aggressive attitude, abide by the code of conduct.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:24, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm sorry. I'm not sure how to approach such topics with you. Thanks.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 17:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

== Macro cosmos ==

Hi, I'm sorry, but how could you possibly think this is a coincidence? they line up EXACTLY. what are the chances that they could just both create the exact same logo and it not be intentional? ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 19:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

[[File:20191217 Detective Pikachu 03.jpg|thumb|GUI]]
Here Is a GUI made by Territory Studios for the movie, you can see the logo in the top-right corner, they are the same. ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 19:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
:[[User talk:Force Fire/Archive 12#Marco cozmos edit|We've already discussed this]]. It is pure speculation that the logo is supposed to be Macro Cosmos's logo unless you have proof it was intentional. Detective Pikachu can not reference something that was released after it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
:: About the movie being released before the game, fair enough, but you simply cannot convince me that these are not the same, look at them, please. and tell me, what are the chances of the logos matching up perfectly? what are the chances of this being entirely coincidental? ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 02:13, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
[[File:20191217 Detective Pikachu MC.jpg|thumb]]
:::Unless you have proof that they're both the same logo, it is just a coincidence.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
::::Even if it is a coincidence, they are still the same. that kind of thing does not just happen. ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 05:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

== Nacli ==

I know you said "no copyrighted stuff", but keep in mind that Pokémon and Mario are both owned by Nintendo, and Nintendo games reference other Nintendo franchises (especially the Mario franchise) quite a lot, so it is possible that Nacli's design could have been inspired by the Super Mushroom from the Mario franchise. All those other parallels to copyrighted characters that other users are coming up with are purely speculation, and a bit too much of a stretch, but surely other Nintendo franchises could be an exception to this rule. After all, the Pokémon Egg page states that its design could have been inspired by Yoshi Eggs, and the Revive page states that Revives bear a striking resemblance to Star Pieces from ''Paper Mario'', so I don't see why we can't mention Nacli's similarity to Super Mushrooms. [[User:Buzzfan120|Buzzfan120]] ([[User talk:Buzzfan120|talk]]) 17:58, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
:Copyrighted property is still protected by copyright. Just because other article have something, doesn't mean it's suddenly okay to add more.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:57, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
::So, not even if it's another Nintendo property? Just wondering. [[User:Buzzfan120|Buzzfan120]] ([[User talk:Buzzfan120|talk]]) 08:01, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

== Images of moves ==

Hello. Is there a particular policy about which game's animation should be added to an article? For example, if there's a Sword/Shiled animation, can there also be a BD/SP one, or is it not needed, because Generation VIII is already represented by Sword/Shield? I've seen some articles even having separate pictures for D/P and Platinum, but still wanted to ask this to be sure. Sorry if you're not the one to ask this, and could you then refer me to someone who is? Thank you. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 20:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
:If the animation is different between games, then yes, we upload separate images for each game.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

== Mew ==

Ciao! :D Should the recurring Mew from journeys be be moved to it's own page? the MO1 & MO8 Mews have their own pages, and I think the recurring one has appeared enough. what do you think? ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 13:46, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
:I know you've asked Force Fire and not me but personally I feel we should wait until JN134 airs next week before giving Mew its own page.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:20, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
::Sounds good. ----[[User:DHP613|'''D'''HP]][[User talk:DHP613|'''6'''13]] 14:24, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

== Verizion and Suicune ==
Hello, I added stuff to [[Suicune (Pokémon)]] and [[Virizion (Pokémon)]] pages, but it says that my edits got undone by you. Is there a reason why you Undid the edit I made? If so, please tell me why. [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 01:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

:I'm sorry for putting those rumor stuff on the suicune and virizion pages. But, for the pronounciation ones, I'm pretty sure they are official pronunciations, because I have the [[Super Extra Deluxe Essential Handbook]], and in there it has "How To Say It" on the Pokemon, and that is an official Pokémon book. [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 01:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
:: As I've said, the official sources aren't consistent with pronunciation, one book will say one thing, one will say another. An egregious case is the Pokedex 3d pronunciation of Unown, which I think everyone can agree is ridiculous. Also, a staff member has a page for pronunications in their userspace if you're interestrd: [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Pronunciation]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 01:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

== Fan stuff (Regional birds) ==

Hi again, I created a page called "Regional birds", and you deleted it, saying: "Fan terminology is not notable." What do you mean? I do not know what you are trying to say, and I said I was going to update it later on! How come you deleted it? [[User:IsaacBoi123|IsaacBoi123]] ([[User talk:IsaacBoi123|talk]]) 23:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)