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Talk:Tao trio

2013-06-06T15:24:15Z

Iamjagman: /* B/W "true story"? */ new section

This page is all messed up, none of the dragons learn hammer arm, and at level 80, all of the dragons learn Outrage. [[User:Pialga92|Pialga92]] 00:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)Pialga92
:Looks like someone was copying the list from the [[Raijin trio]] and stopped midway. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 00:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::That was me, though I was working on it under User:Si6x12/Energy dragon Trio and then someone moved it before I finished don't blame me please D: --[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 02:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Is Kyurem confirmed as part of this Trio? :O I do agree that it's very likely it is though. --[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 04:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Kyurem's obvious after Rayquaza and Giratina. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== RENAME ==

Yin-yang trio. Yes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:that would only work for Reshy and zekky....I say Balance Dragon Trio [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::Get rid of Dragon, that's cumbersome and overspecific. Just "Balance trio" would be good. --{{unsigned|AndyPKMN}}
:::Yeah I like the sound of "Balance Trio" [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengarzilla]] 21:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::::*jumps to the page* Tao dragons, Tao trio. Yin, Yang, and Wuji? It's Taoism. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Tao trio would be ideal, except I think it might be too deep to catch on. Then again, Musketeer trio has seemed to replace the godawful "Deer trio" as the name of choice, so Tao trio might catch on after all. Additionally, it's better to be accurate than accepted, which is why we have "Legendary Beasts" rather than dogs, cats, wildebeests, or whathaveyou. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Enough of this foolishness! Energy Dragon? Really? I understand where your comin from, but that is a no no. The Ying Yang trio makes more sense, however-Tao Trio makes more sense since ying and yang doesnt include wuji. I request a vote.--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 17:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:I'll go for Tao Trio, or anything, over Energy Dragon. Otherwise rename the DPPt dragon trio to Universal Dragon Trio. [[User:Megaplex|Megaplex]] 01:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
::I'm going for Tao trio as well. Anything with "Dragon" have nothing to do with their myths. --[[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 21:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's been a month since the last post here... should we put this to a vote or something? If we're going to move the page, lets do it already. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:25, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== More Kyurem discussion... (MOVE PROPOSAL) ==

Quote from the little blurb above the article title as of 10/27/2010:
"As you update with Black and White information, make sure it is confirmed. '''Other fan sites are not reliable sources of information.'''" Boldface not mine.

Kyurem is not confirmed to be related to the other two; for all we know, the third member of the trio could be another Pokémon, or it could just be a duo. I say that the article be moved to "Yin-yang duo" or something else relating to just Reshiram and Zekrom, and Kyurem should be added to trivia as a popular fan candidate to be the third member. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 16:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
:How much confirmation do you need? Look at their learnsets. Look at the Fire-Ice-Lightning motifs. Their theme music is also similar. There are slight dissimilarities between the two mascots and Kyurem, but you have to admit that there are a lot of parallels, just like there were with Rayquaza and Giratina previously. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::I'd like to add that, although it is VERY likely Kyurem is the third member, wasn't this discouraged with Platinum despite Giratina being all but 100% confirmed, as there was a small chance that it may not be Giratina? I'd say add a tag to the page explaining that this trio is not 100% confirmed, but is based on information we have now, just because it seems more professional that way --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 01:23, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting trivia? ==

I noticed something. No two members have the same number of claws. Reshiram has four, Zekrom has three and Kyurem has two. [[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 19:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, should it be noted that they share their types with the legendary birds, the first trio? ([[User:Divdax|Divdax]] 22:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC))
:They have them as their secondary type while the Birds have it as their primary type, though I think it can be said that the "Energy Dragon" trio share their secondary types with the Birds primary types? I also now noticed they're reversed too (Ice/Electric/Fire vs. Fire/Electric/Ice). [[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 23:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== Mythos or Myths? ==

Is it intentional for the subheading "Mythos" to be called that or is it a typo? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Why are we using Mythos rather than Myths or Mythology? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== real or fandom ==

"Another claim is that Kyurem is the corpse of the original Dragon Pokémon after it had split into Reshiram and Zekrom."

Where does it say this I'm intrigued?
[[User:Vespitomb|Vespi]][[User Talk:Vespitomb|tomb>]] 17:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

::There's a story told in BW, which says, there were two kings of Unova, with a single royal dragon, which split into seperate dragons once they started to fight over their ideals. Look at Kyurem, not just is it weaker stat/moveset wise than Reshiram and Zekrom, it also looks weakened. While Reshiram and Zekrom have generators (producing warmth, hence Fire and Electric) on their tails, Kyurem does not. Instead his tail looks like a plug. No generator=cold, hence Ice. This is genious. --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 14:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Some people say Kyurem came from a comet, some say that it's the corpse of the Original Dragon. I believe that both are true, and that the comet people believe to have brought Kyurem struck the leftover shell of the Original Dragon, infusing Kyurem with its Ice powers (comets are made from space dust and ice) and reviving it. [[User:Slate Orchid|Slate Orchid]] 21:44, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Eye Colors ==
Should it be added to the trivia that the eye colors of the Tao Trio allude to the three original versions' colors? (Red for Zekrom, Blue for Reshiram, and Yellow for Kyurem?)-- [[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 22:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be so sure. The absolute original versions were Japanese Red and Green, with the third version being Blue. It might be worth a mention that they correspond to the colours of the original english/western versions though? [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 15:01, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
::There are 4 games, not 3. Maybe they did it referring to Outside of Japan games.
I added it to the trivia. It may be removed if it seems irrelevant at this point, but if Kyurem becomes the mascot of the third version in Gen V (as it most likely will) the yellow eyes will further prove a tie to the first gen colors, as Yellow was a third version.
-- [[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 03:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I don't think the eye colors are referencing each other in a circle at all. Remember that it is not really an all out trio; it's more like Reshiram and Zekrom are a duo, and Kyurem is more of a standout in the middle(this applies with the other 670 BST+ "trios" as wel as the "Kami trio"). If anything, Reshiram's blue iris and black(as opposed to white) sclera are a reference to Zekrom's blue electricity and black color, while Zekrom's red iris and white sclera (the pupil is still black, but I think the pupil always has to be black in most cases) reference Reshiram's white color and fire. It's unknown what Kyurem's yellow eyes allude to(note that parts of Kyurem glow yellow a little when it does it's animation in Pokedex 3D).[[User:SunFlareO0|SunFlareO0]] 15:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

== Similar Name Endings ==
Is it worth noting that the trio have 'Ram', 'Rom' and 'Rem' as the ends of their names? They seem too similar for it to be pure coincidence. Perhaps it shouldn't go into the Trivia without providing some sort of reason for this, but maybe it's worth researching? I've looked around and can't find any explanation myself. ----[[User:Valkyria|Valkyria]] ''([[User talk:Valkyria|Talk]])'' 23:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Elemental fangs and punches ==

Is it important to add on the travia that the tao trio members share their secondary types with the elemental fangs and punches?

*And burn, paralysis and freeze from their types resemble tri attack. Nickvang 12:12 2 july 2011

== God Stone? ==

Should the [[God Stone]] be noted in this article? It is an [[List of dummied out items|unobtainable]] key item in Black/White that is probably related to Kyurem, like the Dark Stone and Light Stone being related to Reshiram and Zekrom respectively. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 04:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:Do you have any proof that it's related to Kyurem? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
There is no proof that I know of, but it seems related because of its name and appearance. It could be added as trivia. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 05:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:While it most likely is, you'll just have to wait a few months/years if ever it really is. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|-tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26-]] 05:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes, so may I add it as trivia? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 18:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:I say no. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::Speculation is not allowed. Until there is proof, it must not be added. Ask again when you have proof. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

==Protection==
After noticing that the recent bad edits are the result of speculation from the new games, I think this page needs to be recommended for protection to deal with any potential bad edits and therefore decrease the need to revert them. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:45, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trio master ==

Apparently Kyurem was the trio master, '''This is not offense''', but I don't think some could be stupid enough not to understand/know this. True story. The whole page should be edited by now --[[User:Acellutor|Acellutor]] 11:19, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
:We need further proof before we can acknowledge Kyurem is the master of the Tao trio, it doesn't matter if it "looks like" it is, we are based on ''facts'', not speculation; therefore, the Tao trio does ''not'' have a master until proving otherwise. ''Ad hominem'' statements aren't arguments nor proof. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 11:36, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
::The base stats total of both Reshiram and Zekrom is 680, Kyurem's is 660. Unless the new forms are stronger, Kyurem is the trio's inferior. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 21:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
::It doesn't look like the trio master, '''It is the trio master'''. That was too obvious to agrue. You're gonna wait until Nintendo/Game Freak confirm Kyurem is the trio master? Which I bet 100% they will. Oh wait, they never mention such thing fron Generation 1 lol. I repeat, this is not speculation, Kyurem is the trio master. That's an obvious fact. And I acknowledge that this isn't my wiki either, so I'll leave out for some other guys to edit "Kyurem is the trio master" for about next six months or so. Thanks for all of your wonderful and stupid statements. --[[User:Acellutor|Acellutor]] 04:53, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Let me give you an example of why we shouldn't take things for granted. Remember when the Unova starters were released? [[Talk:List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number#Number of starters|I assumed]] Snivy would be #494 in the [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number#Generation V|National Pokédex]], considering what the other gens gave us, and {{p|Victini|guess what happened}}? We, as a wiki aren't supposed to act and pretend things are settled and are supposed to confirm as soon as official information appears on the internet or any other media. We, as a wiki, are neutral and will not post speculation under any circumstances. We, as a wiki assume good faith and are a community. We do not insult fellow users, so I'd appreciate it if you knocked that off. Kyurem, unless proven otherwise, will remain to ''not'' be the Tao Trio master. Thank you. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 05:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
::::I think it's pretty obvious that Kyurem is the Trio master now.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 22:20, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Overdrive ==

Each member of the trio has an overdrive mode where the powers of their moves become much more powerful. This seems somewhat important, so should there be a section or at least a mention here about it? [[User:MatchMaster|MatchMaster]] 18:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

== Stat Comparisons. ==

We should not just be showing one form of Kyurem at a time for the stat comparison. We should show all 3 because they are very different. [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 08:52, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I second that, the Creation Trio has that going on. Show the functionally 5 members of the trio in both moveset and stat comparations. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] ([[User talk:Eriorguez|talk]]) 05:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem's formes Battle Music difference ==

Is there any difference between Black and White Kyurem's battle music? If there is, we should probably make note of it in the trivia section. [[User:MatchMaster|MatchMaster]] ([[User talk:MatchMaster|talk]]) 22:25, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

== B/W "true story"? ==

From the "Myths" section, could it be said that Pokemon Black is the "true story", seeing as N, who is fighting for his '''ideal''' world, catches Zekrom, who sides with the brother who followed his '''ideals'''?
This could also be extended to your character as well, seeing as N was deceived into thinking everyone abused their pokémon and didn't care about them, but you fought for the truth, which would correspond to Reshiram.
[[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 15:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Villa

2012-12-17T20:13:09Z

Iamjagman:

== Which is it? ==

I live in North America, so I don't have any first-hand experience with Platinum and I can't clear this up myself. So, how can this area be in the Resort Area ''or'' the Battle Zone? Plus, immediately afterwords, the article makes it sound as if it is only the Resort Area. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 17:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
:Someone F'd up or and of. The Battle Zone is the whole island with the Fight, Survival, and Resort Areas. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
...I wasn't wrong, but now I feel dumb for not realizing it was just a typo. Argh, I could have changed that myself :S [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 15:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Furniture ==

Is anybody sure that there's a piano? I don't have it on my list of buyable things. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
:Some have to be unlocked. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
::Unlocked how? And should we mention having two Pokémon busts, or only the one since they're both the same price. I haven't bought either yet though. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
:::It's on serebii[http://www.serebii.net/platinum/resorthouse.shtml] [[User:Abcboy|abcboy]] 08:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes, but they're actually wrong. I didn't have to get the shelves for Prof. Rowan to visit. I don't even have them yet. And I actually had Dawn visit before I got the little sofa. I think Serebii just put it for who came the day after he bought the item. Also, I can buy both Pokémon Statues, and I only have two Silver Prints. And I had both available from the start. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Not exactly "came the day after." It means that said NPC will enter the Villa immediately after their respective furniture item is purchased, even if there is a different NPC already inside. They also have specific text for this moment. You're right about the info being wrong, though. I also have two Prints and two Statues. [[User:ChaudCo|ChaudCo]] 00:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Music Box ==
Does someone want to fix the music box link so that it links to the villa decorations instead of the Mystery Dungeon music box? I don't know enough wikicoding to do it myself. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 19:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, that's impossible it already links to the mystery dungeon boxwait maybe...--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]] [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Pikachu!]] 05:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
::If you see any more, just use the {{template|!}} to put a pipe in. Then it will work like a regular link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

== Visitors ==
The page is marked as incomplete, so I figure we might as well add a section detailing the NPC's who visit, including the way in which they appear and their quotes (there's at least five for each). I've got most of the quotes covered, but somebody else's gonna have to fill in Dawn's. I'll be getting right on this, so watch this space, I guess. [[User:ChaudCo|chaude]]~[[User talk:ChaudCo|froide]] 16:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:...watching... :P thanks for your efforts. As a non-Pt player I found it most interesting. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

::Alright. I'll start writing them down. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:55, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see positive reception, thanks :D That Battleground theory is interesting, I don't think I've noticed it. I'll check it out, too. ...Hnn, the sections for Lucas and Dawn were consolidated. I'd made 'em separate cuz I'm pretty sure they have different quote sets. And now Lucas has his five quotes... so I put an ugly little "—" to separate the sections. -__-; Probably a bad idea, but I'm just gonna wait this one out. [[User:ChaudCo|chaude]]~[[User talk:ChaudCo|froide]] 01:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:Hm... I still don't know if the theory is correct.... normally they don't leave until I beat somebody at the Battleground, but Byron's staying around... I'll have to wait a few more days. It's only been one, and I think I might have had a battle that ended after 12AM, so that might have done it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

::I've had Roark stay in my villa for over 2 weeks, and I realized why no one else ever came: I was always in my villa when the day switched. To get a new visitor, make sure to save in a place other than the villa every few days. Conversely, if you like having someone in your house (--_--), then keep saving in the villa and the person will stay (however, they won't change their quote). --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 23:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Yes, I got that part back in the Hoenn games. The coding of the games only updates in a building after going through a door. I'm never saved inside the villa or Battleground for this reason. I'll be checking Byron tonight, and whoever comes in to visit next. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Cynthia's House ==

In the article, it says that "even the region is a secret", so could we take this as a possible hint that she lives in Generation V's region? Because Nintendo would keep that a secret [[User:Jake200493|Jake200493]] 16:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Villa

2012-12-17T20:12:05Z

Iamjagman: /* Moving Furniture */ new section

Talk:Roaming Pokémon

2012-12-16T21:49:09Z

Iamjagman: /* Flight, movement, etc. */

==Question...==
I dunno if this should be on Raikou's talk page, or even on Bulbapedia at all, but...where are each of the legendary beasts most commonly found? I really need to know, because in emerald when I caught latios, i caught it on route 131, so I was wondering if they visit a particular place often or not. plz help! [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:The areas they visit are totally random. But one area to another...the two are always adjacent to each other...{{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:51 11 Mar 2008}}}'''
::Oh yay! But I have another question; in order to get a shiny of the roamers, would I have to keep restarting and beating the game in order for it to be shiny? [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know. Wait for TTE's answer. What I AM sure of is that if it is a yes, don't bother. {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:58 11 Mar 2008}}}'''

Is it possible we can find a way to link this page to the actual roaming pokemon and all subsequent pages that apply? 'Roaming' wasn't quite the word I think of when I want such a list as this (that word is 'runner') and as far as I can find, it's only linked to three pages: [[Mesprit]], the [[Legendary Beasts]], and [[Fullmoon Island]]. At least linking it means disclosing a term-and-article ''actually exist'' and isn't just guessing if one does. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 13:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sevii roamers? ==

Do the roaming Pokemon listed as "roaming Kanto" also roam the Sevii Islands, or just the Kanto mainland? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 14:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:Just the Kanto mainland. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== IV/PV creation ==

How are IV's and Personality Values determined? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
: EXTREMELY late, but I'm pretty sure that they're determined when they're "generated". So basically, it's when you trigger the event that causes them to start roaming. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:39, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Runaway Pokémon ==

Make a related page? It's about those that run away when in the wild. e.g. {{p|Growlithe}}, {{p|Snubbull}}. Those who played {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} should understand. It's similar to Safari Zone running away, except they could be caught with any Poké Ball. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not a bad idea. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps we can just make a list, for efficiency? [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

==Encounter rate?==
Let's say you're on the same route as a roaming Pokémon. What is the chance of finding it in the wild, as opposed to the route's native Pokémon? I would ask on the forums, but I figure this information would be good in the article. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Suicune in Gen IV ==
How is it assumed that Suicune is a raoming pokemon in HGSS? If Eusine is actually in the games then the story is just as likely to be close to Crystals story meaning that Suicune could be stationary. So many assumptions on this site... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 05:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::Oh yea, looks like I was right! in everyone's Faces! (I say this because people have attacked me when I have assumed that things like Mount Moon/all of kanto wouldn't be a complete areas because these "Remakes" aren't 100% like the originals (Gold/silver) yet people made assumptions that things will be exactly the same here and were proven wrong)-- [[User:D558|D558]] 10:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


== Tracking ==

In HGSS, Raikou and Entei are not able to be tracked via the Pokedex as they could in Gen II. Is there some sort of requirement to be able to track them, like battling Suicune first? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Look at the map on your Pokégear, you'll see the Entei and Raiku heads, assuming you've already made them scatter from the Burned Tower. --[[User:Kerrick|Kerrick]] 20:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be mentioned that you can't use multiple screens in HGSS, since you could in DPPt, but not with your Pokégear in HGSS. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 16:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

==Something odd==
er...I'm not sure how important this is, but should it be noted that roaming pokemon can be found in bodies of water on the routes they are on
I encountered a Raikou while crossing a small body of water, which I found odd
--User: Xaigon_Paladin 7:23, 30 May 2010 UTC
:I can support this claim. I found and captured my Latias while surfing on the route around Sootopolis. [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
::I can confirm this as well. Encountered Mesprit on a tiny little bit of water which I was surfing on because Mesprit was on that route, but it was the only area where wild pokemon can be encountered. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== make lati reappear in hgss? ==
I just wanted to ask if beating the elite four reset lati@s? I know it resets a lot of roamers, and I just wanted to make sure the same worked for latios before I killed for a good nature. [[User:Bobertbojo2|Bobertbojo2]] 16:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:This kind of question is more suited for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== They DON'T flee and attack on the same turn ==

In the first paragraph, "If they try to flee and fail, they attack on the same turn" is a little off. In HG/SS at least, they try to flee only on turns where it looks like they can at the start of the turn. If you do something like Mean Look before it can flee, it says it failed to flee, and it '''does not''' attack that turn.

Additionally, they will successfully flee even if they're asleep. The next time you see them, they're still asleep. (I'm pretty sure they didn't flee in their sleep in Gen II - I think I remember successfully using sleep instead of Mean Look.)

I don't know whether they'll try to flee again if the Mean Looker is switched out. Didn't think to test that and now I've caught all the roamers in my HG.

To make it clear, a few chains of events that happened to me tonight in HG:
(note: I'm using a Lv. 90 Gallade with False Swipe, Mean Look, and Hypnosis)
*met Entei → I use False Swipe → Entei fled
*met Entei → I use Mean Look → Entei couldn't get away (doesn't try to attack me) → I use Hypnosis → (eventually) Entei woke up and Roared
*met Entei → I use Hypnosis → Entei fell asleep → Entei fled
*met Entei (he's still asleep)...
[[User:Chupi|Chupi]] 06:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:I ''knew'' something was off with that statement about roaming Pokémon "being able to attack in the same turn that they try to flee". Though the aforementioned log of events from [[User:Chupi|Chupi]] pertains to [[Generation IV]], I don't recall that happening with any of the [[Generation III]] roaming Pokémon that I've encountered/caught, either. In particular, the battles I waged against Entei and Raikou in Pokémon FireRed Version would have been '''much''' more difficult if they were allowed to both attempt to flee and attack in one turn, since (from my experience), they are prone to using the move Roar when they cannot escape. I'm removing the statement from the article for now, but this claim about roamers being able to attempt-to-flee-AND-attack in the same turn could possibly use a bit more testing... [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 22:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::It's interesting that in G4 and onwards a Roaming pokemon can still flee while asleep. It's probably safe to say that their attempt to flee is performed ''before'' their status check (the sleep/paralysis/frozen messages ''never'' occur when they attempt to flee), but I can confirm for sure that their attempt to flee is a +0 priority action -- any increased-priority move (e.g. {{m|Quick Attack}}) will execute before it, otherwise your Speed needs to be faster than theirs (or have a Quick Claw on hand) to get your move in.
:: All in all, a good capture strategy? Once they're asleep and low on HP, forget about trapping them and just start lobbing Quick Balls (total 8x catch rate). : ) --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Actually, fleeing has a -7 [[priority]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Battles ==

If you meet a roaming pokemon repeated times, will it be counted as one battle, or individual battles? I keep on throwing quick balls, they don't work. --[[User:Steel Dragon|Steel Dragon]] 22:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are individual battles. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
::They are indeed individual. The Quick Ball not working on the first throw is like a Dusk Ball not working inside a cave. It's just a matter of luck. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are continued because in one of my games (I can't remember which) the Pokemon had a lower hp than normal because I had attacked it in my previous encounter--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] 20:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
::While they don't recover HP or restore status problems, that shouldn't affect them being individual battles. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:54, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
: Let's crunch the math.
** Most legendaries have a base catch rate of 3/255, or 0.4% (per [[Poké Ball]]) at full HP.
** Reduce them to 1 HP, put them asleep, use a Quick Ball at the start of each encounter, you ''still'' only have a '''9.8%''' chance (per Ball).
** Therefore, you'll need an average of '''10.625 balls''' to ensure a catch. Purchase at least a dozen before you start hunting!
** However, even this cannot guarantee a catch, it's still a matter of luck:
*** ''Every time'' you throw a Quick Ball, there's a 90.2% chance they will escape. 9 times out of 10!
*** Which is roughly a 67.3% (roughly 2 of 3) chance per ''shake''. (capture = four shakes) Yes, 2 of 3 times they will just immediately break right out and escape. Get used to seeing it happen.
*** Even after throwing ''eleven'' balls (the "average" amount needed), there's a 33.7% (about 1 in 3) chance that they'll ''still'' be roaming around free.
*** The good news? A 66.3% chance (2 of 3) that ''one'' of those eleven balls will have caught them by now.

:So ... in the end you just have to be patient and keep trying. Don't give up, you ''will'' catch them eventually. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Flight, movement, etc. ==

* If the player escapes, will the roaming Pokémon disappear forever?
* Latios (and probably Latias) move to adjacent routes, unlike Cresselia, who seems to teleport randomly all over Sinnoh. Latios/Latias probably also don't appear [[underwater]], and Sinnoh roamers probably don't appear in the water or {{si|Battle Park}}. Should their movement behaviors be mentioned?
* Route boundary's meaning is unclear.
* There must be a rate to encountering a roaming Pokémon.
* Do roaming Pokémon recover [[Power Points]] between encounters? Do they keep the item one gives them with {{m|Trick}} or {{m|Bestow}}? [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 15:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:#No
:#Why wouldn't Sinnoh roamers appear in the water? The Johto ones do (battling Entei on the water is weird).
:#I've clarified it as "leaving the area".
:#It's been a while since I've encountered a roaming Pokémon, but don't they always appear once you encounter a wild Pokémon in an area they are in?
:#Since they don't recover HP between battles I would assume these remain, but it does require testing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:::2. They do. Mesprit has appeared in the water on multiple occasions for me.
:::4. That's where you're wrong. It would be nice to get a rate, but it's unnecessary, because they don't move routes upon battling (in Sinnoh at least), so you can just keep battling until you get them.
:::[[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:48, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Shiny Roaming ==

I read the [[Shiny Pokémon]] Page, it doesn't mention anything of the roaming Pokémon cannot being shiny, so my question: When do I have to [[Soft reset]] if the Pokémon is not Shiny? Example:
Do I have to Soft reset in Pokémon Heartgold before meeting the beasts in the burned tower, or before first encoutering them in the wild?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
: Before meeting them in the burned tower. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:44, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Unova roamers. ==

So, we have few things to check. Is it possible to encounter a roamer in rustling grass or rippling water? Is it also possible in dark grass's double battle, and what would happen? What would happen if someone used [[Appendix:Repel trick|Repel trick]] so that only Tornadus/Thundurus would be encountered, and then someone went initiated a wild double battle with dark grass? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 10:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Roaming Pokémon

2012-12-16T21:48:46Z

Iamjagman: /* Flight, movement, etc. */

==Question...==
I dunno if this should be on Raikou's talk page, or even on Bulbapedia at all, but...where are each of the legendary beasts most commonly found? I really need to know, because in emerald when I caught latios, i caught it on route 131, so I was wondering if they visit a particular place often or not. plz help! [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:The areas they visit are totally random. But one area to another...the two are always adjacent to each other...{{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:51 11 Mar 2008}}}'''
::Oh yay! But I have another question; in order to get a shiny of the roamers, would I have to keep restarting and beating the game in order for it to be shiny? [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know. Wait for TTE's answer. What I AM sure of is that if it is a yes, don't bother. {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:58 11 Mar 2008}}}'''

Is it possible we can find a way to link this page to the actual roaming pokemon and all subsequent pages that apply? 'Roaming' wasn't quite the word I think of when I want such a list as this (that word is 'runner') and as far as I can find, it's only linked to three pages: [[Mesprit]], the [[Legendary Beasts]], and [[Fullmoon Island]]. At least linking it means disclosing a term-and-article ''actually exist'' and isn't just guessing if one does. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 13:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sevii roamers? ==

Do the roaming Pokemon listed as "roaming Kanto" also roam the Sevii Islands, or just the Kanto mainland? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 14:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:Just the Kanto mainland. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== IV/PV creation ==

How are IV's and Personality Values determined? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
: EXTREMELY late, but I'm pretty sure that they're determined when they're "generated". So basically, it's when you trigger the event that causes them to start roaming. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:39, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Runaway Pokémon ==

Make a related page? It's about those that run away when in the wild. e.g. {{p|Growlithe}}, {{p|Snubbull}}. Those who played {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} should understand. It's similar to Safari Zone running away, except they could be caught with any Poké Ball. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not a bad idea. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps we can just make a list, for efficiency? [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

==Encounter rate?==
Let's say you're on the same route as a roaming Pokémon. What is the chance of finding it in the wild, as opposed to the route's native Pokémon? I would ask on the forums, but I figure this information would be good in the article. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Suicune in Gen IV ==
How is it assumed that Suicune is a raoming pokemon in HGSS? If Eusine is actually in the games then the story is just as likely to be close to Crystals story meaning that Suicune could be stationary. So many assumptions on this site... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 05:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::Oh yea, looks like I was right! in everyone's Faces! (I say this because people have attacked me when I have assumed that things like Mount Moon/all of kanto wouldn't be a complete areas because these "Remakes" aren't 100% like the originals (Gold/silver) yet people made assumptions that things will be exactly the same here and were proven wrong)-- [[User:D558|D558]] 10:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


== Tracking ==

In HGSS, Raikou and Entei are not able to be tracked via the Pokedex as they could in Gen II. Is there some sort of requirement to be able to track them, like battling Suicune first? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Look at the map on your Pokégear, you'll see the Entei and Raiku heads, assuming you've already made them scatter from the Burned Tower. --[[User:Kerrick|Kerrick]] 20:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be mentioned that you can't use multiple screens in HGSS, since you could in DPPt, but not with your Pokégear in HGSS. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 16:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

==Something odd==
er...I'm not sure how important this is, but should it be noted that roaming pokemon can be found in bodies of water on the routes they are on
I encountered a Raikou while crossing a small body of water, which I found odd
--User: Xaigon_Paladin 7:23, 30 May 2010 UTC
:I can support this claim. I found and captured my Latias while surfing on the route around Sootopolis. [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
::I can confirm this as well. Encountered Mesprit on a tiny little bit of water which I was surfing on because Mesprit was on that route, but it was the only area where wild pokemon can be encountered. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== make lati reappear in hgss? ==
I just wanted to ask if beating the elite four reset lati@s? I know it resets a lot of roamers, and I just wanted to make sure the same worked for latios before I killed for a good nature. [[User:Bobertbojo2|Bobertbojo2]] 16:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:This kind of question is more suited for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== They DON'T flee and attack on the same turn ==

In the first paragraph, "If they try to flee and fail, they attack on the same turn" is a little off. In HG/SS at least, they try to flee only on turns where it looks like they can at the start of the turn. If you do something like Mean Look before it can flee, it says it failed to flee, and it '''does not''' attack that turn.

Additionally, they will successfully flee even if they're asleep. The next time you see them, they're still asleep. (I'm pretty sure they didn't flee in their sleep in Gen II - I think I remember successfully using sleep instead of Mean Look.)

I don't know whether they'll try to flee again if the Mean Looker is switched out. Didn't think to test that and now I've caught all the roamers in my HG.

To make it clear, a few chains of events that happened to me tonight in HG:
(note: I'm using a Lv. 90 Gallade with False Swipe, Mean Look, and Hypnosis)
*met Entei → I use False Swipe → Entei fled
*met Entei → I use Mean Look → Entei couldn't get away (doesn't try to attack me) → I use Hypnosis → (eventually) Entei woke up and Roared
*met Entei → I use Hypnosis → Entei fell asleep → Entei fled
*met Entei (he's still asleep)...
[[User:Chupi|Chupi]] 06:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:I ''knew'' something was off with that statement about roaming Pokémon "being able to attack in the same turn that they try to flee". Though the aforementioned log of events from [[User:Chupi|Chupi]] pertains to [[Generation IV]], I don't recall that happening with any of the [[Generation III]] roaming Pokémon that I've encountered/caught, either. In particular, the battles I waged against Entei and Raikou in Pokémon FireRed Version would have been '''much''' more difficult if they were allowed to both attempt to flee and attack in one turn, since (from my experience), they are prone to using the move Roar when they cannot escape. I'm removing the statement from the article for now, but this claim about roamers being able to attempt-to-flee-AND-attack in the same turn could possibly use a bit more testing... [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 22:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::It's interesting that in G4 and onwards a Roaming pokemon can still flee while asleep. It's probably safe to say that their attempt to flee is performed ''before'' their status check (the sleep/paralysis/frozen messages ''never'' occur when they attempt to flee), but I can confirm for sure that their attempt to flee is a +0 priority action -- any increased-priority move (e.g. {{m|Quick Attack}}) will execute before it, otherwise your Speed needs to be faster than theirs (or have a Quick Claw on hand) to get your move in.
:: All in all, a good capture strategy? Once they're asleep and low on HP, forget about trapping them and just start lobbing Quick Balls (total 8x catch rate). : ) --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Actually, fleeing has a -7 [[priority]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Battles ==

If you meet a roaming pokemon repeated times, will it be counted as one battle, or individual battles? I keep on throwing quick balls, they don't work. --[[User:Steel Dragon|Steel Dragon]] 22:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are individual battles. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
::They are indeed individual. The Quick Ball not working on the first throw is like a Dusk Ball not working inside a cave. It's just a matter of luck. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are continued because in one of my games (I can't remember which) the Pokemon had a lower hp than normal because I had attacked it in my previous encounter--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] 20:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
::While they don't recover HP or restore status problems, that shouldn't affect them being individual battles. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:54, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
: Let's crunch the math.
** Most legendaries have a base catch rate of 3/255, or 0.4% (per [[Poké Ball]]) at full HP.
** Reduce them to 1 HP, put them asleep, use a Quick Ball at the start of each encounter, you ''still'' only have a '''9.8%''' chance (per Ball).
** Therefore, you'll need an average of '''10.625 balls''' to ensure a catch. Purchase at least a dozen before you start hunting!
** However, even this cannot guarantee a catch, it's still a matter of luck:
*** ''Every time'' you throw a Quick Ball, there's a 90.2% chance they will escape. 9 times out of 10!
*** Which is roughly a 67.3% (roughly 2 of 3) chance per ''shake''. (capture = four shakes) Yes, 2 of 3 times they will just immediately break right out and escape. Get used to seeing it happen.
*** Even after throwing ''eleven'' balls (the "average" amount needed), there's a 33.7% (about 1 in 3) chance that they'll ''still'' be roaming around free.
*** The good news? A 66.3% chance (2 of 3) that ''one'' of those eleven balls will have caught them by now.

:So ... in the end you just have to be patient and keep trying. Don't give up, you ''will'' catch them eventually. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Flight, movement, etc. ==

* If the player escapes, will the roaming Pokémon disappear forever?
* Latios (and probably Latias) move to adjacent routes, unlike Cresselia, who seems to teleport randomly all over Sinnoh. Latios/Latias probably also don't appear [[underwater]], and Sinnoh roamers probably don't appear in the water or {{si|Battle Park}}. Should their movement behaviors be mentioned?
* Route boundary's meaning is unclear.
* There must be a rate to encountering a roaming Pokémon.
* Do roaming Pokémon recover [[Power Points]] between encounters? Do they keep the item one gives them with {{m|Trick}} or {{m|Bestow}}? [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 15:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:#No
:#Why wouldn't Sinnoh roamers appear in the water? The Johto ones do (battling Entei on the water is weird).
:#I've clarified it as "leaving the area".
:#It's been a while since I've encountered a roaming Pokémon, but don't they always appear once you encounter a wild Pokémon in an area they are in?
:#Since they don't recover HP between battles I would assume these remain, but it does require testing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
::2. They do. Mesprit has appeared in the water on multiple occasions for me.
::4. That's where you're wrong. It would be nice to get a rate, but it's unnecessary, because they don't move routes upon battling (in Sinnoh at least), so you can just keep battling until you get them.
::[[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:48, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Shiny Roaming ==

I read the [[Shiny Pokémon]] Page, it doesn't mention anything of the roaming Pokémon cannot being shiny, so my question: When do I have to [[Soft reset]] if the Pokémon is not Shiny? Example:
Do I have to Soft reset in Pokémon Heartgold before meeting the beasts in the burned tower, or before first encoutering them in the wild?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
: Before meeting them in the burned tower. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:44, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Unova roamers. ==

So, we have few things to check. Is it possible to encounter a roamer in rustling grass or rippling water? Is it also possible in dark grass's double battle, and what would happen? What would happen if someone used [[Appendix:Repel trick|Repel trick]] so that only Tornadus/Thundurus would be encountered, and then someone went initiated a wild double battle with dark grass? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 10:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Roaming Pokémon

2012-12-16T21:44:53Z

Iamjagman: /* Shiny Roaming */

==Question...==
I dunno if this should be on Raikou's talk page, or even on Bulbapedia at all, but...where are each of the legendary beasts most commonly found? I really need to know, because in emerald when I caught latios, i caught it on route 131, so I was wondering if they visit a particular place often or not. plz help! [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:The areas they visit are totally random. But one area to another...the two are always adjacent to each other...{{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:51 11 Mar 2008}}}'''
::Oh yay! But I have another question; in order to get a shiny of the roamers, would I have to keep restarting and beating the game in order for it to be shiny? [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know. Wait for TTE's answer. What I AM sure of is that if it is a yes, don't bother. {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:58 11 Mar 2008}}}'''

Is it possible we can find a way to link this page to the actual roaming pokemon and all subsequent pages that apply? 'Roaming' wasn't quite the word I think of when I want such a list as this (that word is 'runner') and as far as I can find, it's only linked to three pages: [[Mesprit]], the [[Legendary Beasts]], and [[Fullmoon Island]]. At least linking it means disclosing a term-and-article ''actually exist'' and isn't just guessing if one does. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 13:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sevii roamers? ==

Do the roaming Pokemon listed as "roaming Kanto" also roam the Sevii Islands, or just the Kanto mainland? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 14:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:Just the Kanto mainland. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== IV/PV creation ==

How are IV's and Personality Values determined? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
: EXTREMELY late, but I'm pretty sure that they're determined when they're "generated". So basically, it's when you trigger the event that causes them to start roaming. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:39, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Runaway Pokémon ==

Make a related page? It's about those that run away when in the wild. e.g. {{p|Growlithe}}, {{p|Snubbull}}. Those who played {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} should understand. It's similar to Safari Zone running away, except they could be caught with any Poké Ball. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not a bad idea. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps we can just make a list, for efficiency? [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

==Encounter rate?==
Let's say you're on the same route as a roaming Pokémon. What is the chance of finding it in the wild, as opposed to the route's native Pokémon? I would ask on the forums, but I figure this information would be good in the article. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Suicune in Gen IV ==
How is it assumed that Suicune is a raoming pokemon in HGSS? If Eusine is actually in the games then the story is just as likely to be close to Crystals story meaning that Suicune could be stationary. So many assumptions on this site... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 05:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::Oh yea, looks like I was right! in everyone's Faces! (I say this because people have attacked me when I have assumed that things like Mount Moon/all of kanto wouldn't be a complete areas because these "Remakes" aren't 100% like the originals (Gold/silver) yet people made assumptions that things will be exactly the same here and were proven wrong)-- [[User:D558|D558]] 10:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


== Tracking ==

In HGSS, Raikou and Entei are not able to be tracked via the Pokedex as they could in Gen II. Is there some sort of requirement to be able to track them, like battling Suicune first? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Look at the map on your Pokégear, you'll see the Entei and Raiku heads, assuming you've already made them scatter from the Burned Tower. --[[User:Kerrick|Kerrick]] 20:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be mentioned that you can't use multiple screens in HGSS, since you could in DPPt, but not with your Pokégear in HGSS. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 16:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

==Something odd==
er...I'm not sure how important this is, but should it be noted that roaming pokemon can be found in bodies of water on the routes they are on
I encountered a Raikou while crossing a small body of water, which I found odd
--User: Xaigon_Paladin 7:23, 30 May 2010 UTC
:I can support this claim. I found and captured my Latias while surfing on the route around Sootopolis. [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
::I can confirm this as well. Encountered Mesprit on a tiny little bit of water which I was surfing on because Mesprit was on that route, but it was the only area where wild pokemon can be encountered. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== make lati reappear in hgss? ==
I just wanted to ask if beating the elite four reset lati@s? I know it resets a lot of roamers, and I just wanted to make sure the same worked for latios before I killed for a good nature. [[User:Bobertbojo2|Bobertbojo2]] 16:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:This kind of question is more suited for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== They DON'T flee and attack on the same turn ==

In the first paragraph, "If they try to flee and fail, they attack on the same turn" is a little off. In HG/SS at least, they try to flee only on turns where it looks like they can at the start of the turn. If you do something like Mean Look before it can flee, it says it failed to flee, and it '''does not''' attack that turn.

Additionally, they will successfully flee even if they're asleep. The next time you see them, they're still asleep. (I'm pretty sure they didn't flee in their sleep in Gen II - I think I remember successfully using sleep instead of Mean Look.)

I don't know whether they'll try to flee again if the Mean Looker is switched out. Didn't think to test that and now I've caught all the roamers in my HG.

To make it clear, a few chains of events that happened to me tonight in HG:
(note: I'm using a Lv. 90 Gallade with False Swipe, Mean Look, and Hypnosis)
*met Entei → I use False Swipe → Entei fled
*met Entei → I use Mean Look → Entei couldn't get away (doesn't try to attack me) → I use Hypnosis → (eventually) Entei woke up and Roared
*met Entei → I use Hypnosis → Entei fell asleep → Entei fled
*met Entei (he's still asleep)...
[[User:Chupi|Chupi]] 06:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:I ''knew'' something was off with that statement about roaming Pokémon "being able to attack in the same turn that they try to flee". Though the aforementioned log of events from [[User:Chupi|Chupi]] pertains to [[Generation IV]], I don't recall that happening with any of the [[Generation III]] roaming Pokémon that I've encountered/caught, either. In particular, the battles I waged against Entei and Raikou in Pokémon FireRed Version would have been '''much''' more difficult if they were allowed to both attempt to flee and attack in one turn, since (from my experience), they are prone to using the move Roar when they cannot escape. I'm removing the statement from the article for now, but this claim about roamers being able to attempt-to-flee-AND-attack in the same turn could possibly use a bit more testing... [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 22:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::It's interesting that in G4 and onwards a Roaming pokemon can still flee while asleep. It's probably safe to say that their attempt to flee is performed ''before'' their status check (the sleep/paralysis/frozen messages ''never'' occur when they attempt to flee), but I can confirm for sure that their attempt to flee is a +0 priority action -- any increased-priority move (e.g. {{m|Quick Attack}}) will execute before it, otherwise your Speed needs to be faster than theirs (or have a Quick Claw on hand) to get your move in.
:: All in all, a good capture strategy? Once they're asleep and low on HP, forget about trapping them and just start lobbing Quick Balls (total 8x catch rate). : ) --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Actually, fleeing has a -7 [[priority]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Battles ==

If you meet a roaming pokemon repeated times, will it be counted as one battle, or individual battles? I keep on throwing quick balls, they don't work. --[[User:Steel Dragon|Steel Dragon]] 22:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are individual battles. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
::They are indeed individual. The Quick Ball not working on the first throw is like a Dusk Ball not working inside a cave. It's just a matter of luck. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are continued because in one of my games (I can't remember which) the Pokemon had a lower hp than normal because I had attacked it in my previous encounter--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] 20:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
::While they don't recover HP or restore status problems, that shouldn't affect them being individual battles. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:54, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
: Let's crunch the math.
** Most legendaries have a base catch rate of 3/255, or 0.4% (per [[Poké Ball]]) at full HP.
** Reduce them to 1 HP, put them asleep, use a Quick Ball at the start of each encounter, you ''still'' only have a '''9.8%''' chance (per Ball).
** Therefore, you'll need an average of '''10.625 balls''' to ensure a catch. Purchase at least a dozen before you start hunting!
** However, even this cannot guarantee a catch, it's still a matter of luck:
*** ''Every time'' you throw a Quick Ball, there's a 90.2% chance they will escape. 9 times out of 10!
*** Which is roughly a 67.3% (roughly 2 of 3) chance per ''shake''. (capture = four shakes) Yes, 2 of 3 times they will just immediately break right out and escape. Get used to seeing it happen.
*** Even after throwing ''eleven'' balls (the "average" amount needed), there's a 33.7% (about 1 in 3) chance that they'll ''still'' be roaming around free.
*** The good news? A 66.3% chance (2 of 3) that ''one'' of those eleven balls will have caught them by now.

:So ... in the end you just have to be patient and keep trying. Don't give up, you ''will'' catch them eventually. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Flight, movement, etc. ==

* If the player escapes, will the roaming Pokémon disappear forever?
* Latios (and probably Latias) move to adjacent routes, unlike Cresselia, who seems to teleport randomly all over Sinnoh. Latios/Latias probably also don't appear [[underwater]], and Sinnoh roamers probably don't appear in the water or {{si|Battle Park}}. Should their movement behaviors be mentioned?
* Route boundary's meaning is unclear.
* There must be a rate to encountering a roaming Pokémon.
* Do roaming Pokémon recover [[Power Points]] between encounters? Do they keep the item one gives them with {{m|Trick}} or {{m|Bestow}}? [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 15:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:#No
:#Why wouldn't Sinnoh roamers appear in the water? The Johto ones do (battling Entei on the water is weird).
:#I've clarified it as "leaving the area".
:#It's been a while since I've encountered a roaming Pokémon, but don't they always appear once you encounter a wild Pokémon in an area they are in?
:#Since they don't recover HP between battles I would assume these remain, but it does require testing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Shiny Roaming ==

I read the [[Shiny Pokémon]] Page, it doesn't mention anything of the roaming Pokémon cannot being shiny, so my question: When do I have to [[Soft reset]] if the Pokémon is not Shiny? Example:
Do I have to Soft reset in Pokémon Heartgold before meeting the beasts in the burned tower, or before first encoutering them in the wild?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
: Before meeting them in the burned tower. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:44, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Unova roamers. ==

So, we have few things to check. Is it possible to encounter a roamer in rustling grass or rippling water? Is it also possible in dark grass's double battle, and what would happen? What would happen if someone used [[Appendix:Repel trick|Repel trick]] so that only Tornadus/Thundurus would be encountered, and then someone went initiated a wild double battle with dark grass? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 10:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Roaming Pokémon

2012-12-16T21:42:12Z

Iamjagman: /* Something odd */

==Question...==
I dunno if this should be on Raikou's talk page, or even on Bulbapedia at all, but...where are each of the legendary beasts most commonly found? I really need to know, because in emerald when I caught latios, i caught it on route 131, so I was wondering if they visit a particular place often or not. plz help! [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:The areas they visit are totally random. But one area to another...the two are always adjacent to each other...{{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:51 11 Mar 2008}}}'''
::Oh yay! But I have another question; in order to get a shiny of the roamers, would I have to keep restarting and beating the game in order for it to be shiny? [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know. Wait for TTE's answer. What I AM sure of is that if it is a yes, don't bother. {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:58 11 Mar 2008}}}'''

Is it possible we can find a way to link this page to the actual roaming pokemon and all subsequent pages that apply? 'Roaming' wasn't quite the word I think of when I want such a list as this (that word is 'runner') and as far as I can find, it's only linked to three pages: [[Mesprit]], the [[Legendary Beasts]], and [[Fullmoon Island]]. At least linking it means disclosing a term-and-article ''actually exist'' and isn't just guessing if one does. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 13:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sevii roamers? ==

Do the roaming Pokemon listed as "roaming Kanto" also roam the Sevii Islands, or just the Kanto mainland? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 14:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:Just the Kanto mainland. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== IV/PV creation ==

How are IV's and Personality Values determined? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
: EXTREMELY late, but I'm pretty sure that they're determined when they're "generated". So basically, it's when you trigger the event that causes them to start roaming. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:39, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Runaway Pokémon ==

Make a related page? It's about those that run away when in the wild. e.g. {{p|Growlithe}}, {{p|Snubbull}}. Those who played {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} should understand. It's similar to Safari Zone running away, except they could be caught with any Poké Ball. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not a bad idea. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps we can just make a list, for efficiency? [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

==Encounter rate?==
Let's say you're on the same route as a roaming Pokémon. What is the chance of finding it in the wild, as opposed to the route's native Pokémon? I would ask on the forums, but I figure this information would be good in the article. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Suicune in Gen IV ==
How is it assumed that Suicune is a raoming pokemon in HGSS? If Eusine is actually in the games then the story is just as likely to be close to Crystals story meaning that Suicune could be stationary. So many assumptions on this site... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 05:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::Oh yea, looks like I was right! in everyone's Faces! (I say this because people have attacked me when I have assumed that things like Mount Moon/all of kanto wouldn't be a complete areas because these "Remakes" aren't 100% like the originals (Gold/silver) yet people made assumptions that things will be exactly the same here and were proven wrong)-- [[User:D558|D558]] 10:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


== Tracking ==

In HGSS, Raikou and Entei are not able to be tracked via the Pokedex as they could in Gen II. Is there some sort of requirement to be able to track them, like battling Suicune first? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Look at the map on your Pokégear, you'll see the Entei and Raiku heads, assuming you've already made them scatter from the Burned Tower. --[[User:Kerrick|Kerrick]] 20:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be mentioned that you can't use multiple screens in HGSS, since you could in DPPt, but not with your Pokégear in HGSS. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 16:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

==Something odd==
er...I'm not sure how important this is, but should it be noted that roaming pokemon can be found in bodies of water on the routes they are on
I encountered a Raikou while crossing a small body of water, which I found odd
--User: Xaigon_Paladin 7:23, 30 May 2010 UTC
:I can support this claim. I found and captured my Latias while surfing on the route around Sootopolis. [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
::I can confirm this as well. Encountered Mesprit on a tiny little bit of water which I was surfing on because Mesprit was on that route, but it was the only area where wild pokemon can be encountered. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== make lati reappear in hgss? ==
I just wanted to ask if beating the elite four reset lati@s? I know it resets a lot of roamers, and I just wanted to make sure the same worked for latios before I killed for a good nature. [[User:Bobertbojo2|Bobertbojo2]] 16:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:This kind of question is more suited for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== They DON'T flee and attack on the same turn ==

In the first paragraph, "If they try to flee and fail, they attack on the same turn" is a little off. In HG/SS at least, they try to flee only on turns where it looks like they can at the start of the turn. If you do something like Mean Look before it can flee, it says it failed to flee, and it '''does not''' attack that turn.

Additionally, they will successfully flee even if they're asleep. The next time you see them, they're still asleep. (I'm pretty sure they didn't flee in their sleep in Gen II - I think I remember successfully using sleep instead of Mean Look.)

I don't know whether they'll try to flee again if the Mean Looker is switched out. Didn't think to test that and now I've caught all the roamers in my HG.

To make it clear, a few chains of events that happened to me tonight in HG:
(note: I'm using a Lv. 90 Gallade with False Swipe, Mean Look, and Hypnosis)
*met Entei → I use False Swipe → Entei fled
*met Entei → I use Mean Look → Entei couldn't get away (doesn't try to attack me) → I use Hypnosis → (eventually) Entei woke up and Roared
*met Entei → I use Hypnosis → Entei fell asleep → Entei fled
*met Entei (he's still asleep)...
[[User:Chupi|Chupi]] 06:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:I ''knew'' something was off with that statement about roaming Pokémon "being able to attack in the same turn that they try to flee". Though the aforementioned log of events from [[User:Chupi|Chupi]] pertains to [[Generation IV]], I don't recall that happening with any of the [[Generation III]] roaming Pokémon that I've encountered/caught, either. In particular, the battles I waged against Entei and Raikou in Pokémon FireRed Version would have been '''much''' more difficult if they were allowed to both attempt to flee and attack in one turn, since (from my experience), they are prone to using the move Roar when they cannot escape. I'm removing the statement from the article for now, but this claim about roamers being able to attempt-to-flee-AND-attack in the same turn could possibly use a bit more testing... [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 22:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::It's interesting that in G4 and onwards a Roaming pokemon can still flee while asleep. It's probably safe to say that their attempt to flee is performed ''before'' their status check (the sleep/paralysis/frozen messages ''never'' occur when they attempt to flee), but I can confirm for sure that their attempt to flee is a +0 priority action -- any increased-priority move (e.g. {{m|Quick Attack}}) will execute before it, otherwise your Speed needs to be faster than theirs (or have a Quick Claw on hand) to get your move in.
:: All in all, a good capture strategy? Once they're asleep and low on HP, forget about trapping them and just start lobbing Quick Balls (total 8x catch rate). : ) --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Actually, fleeing has a -7 [[priority]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Battles ==

If you meet a roaming pokemon repeated times, will it be counted as one battle, or individual battles? I keep on throwing quick balls, they don't work. --[[User:Steel Dragon|Steel Dragon]] 22:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are individual battles. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
::They are indeed individual. The Quick Ball not working on the first throw is like a Dusk Ball not working inside a cave. It's just a matter of luck. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are continued because in one of my games (I can't remember which) the Pokemon had a lower hp than normal because I had attacked it in my previous encounter--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] 20:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
::While they don't recover HP or restore status problems, that shouldn't affect them being individual battles. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:54, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
: Let's crunch the math.
** Most legendaries have a base catch rate of 3/255, or 0.4% (per [[Poké Ball]]) at full HP.
** Reduce them to 1 HP, put them asleep, use a Quick Ball at the start of each encounter, you ''still'' only have a '''9.8%''' chance (per Ball).
** Therefore, you'll need an average of '''10.625 balls''' to ensure a catch. Purchase at least a dozen before you start hunting!
** However, even this cannot guarantee a catch, it's still a matter of luck:
*** ''Every time'' you throw a Quick Ball, there's a 90.2% chance they will escape. 9 times out of 10!
*** Which is roughly a 67.3% (roughly 2 of 3) chance per ''shake''. (capture = four shakes) Yes, 2 of 3 times they will just immediately break right out and escape. Get used to seeing it happen.
*** Even after throwing ''eleven'' balls (the "average" amount needed), there's a 33.7% (about 1 in 3) chance that they'll ''still'' be roaming around free.
*** The good news? A 66.3% chance (2 of 3) that ''one'' of those eleven balls will have caught them by now.

:So ... in the end you just have to be patient and keep trying. Don't give up, you ''will'' catch them eventually. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Flight, movement, etc. ==

* If the player escapes, will the roaming Pokémon disappear forever?
* Latios (and probably Latias) move to adjacent routes, unlike Cresselia, who seems to teleport randomly all over Sinnoh. Latios/Latias probably also don't appear [[underwater]], and Sinnoh roamers probably don't appear in the water or {{si|Battle Park}}. Should their movement behaviors be mentioned?
* Route boundary's meaning is unclear.
* There must be a rate to encountering a roaming Pokémon.
* Do roaming Pokémon recover [[Power Points]] between encounters? Do they keep the item one gives them with {{m|Trick}} or {{m|Bestow}}? [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 15:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:#No
:#Why wouldn't Sinnoh roamers appear in the water? The Johto ones do (battling Entei on the water is weird).
:#I've clarified it as "leaving the area".
:#It's been a while since I've encountered a roaming Pokémon, but don't they always appear once you encounter a wild Pokémon in an area they are in?
:#Since they don't recover HP between battles I would assume these remain, but it does require testing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Shiny Roaming ==

I read the [[Shiny Pokémon]] Page, it doesn't mention anything of the roaming Pokémon cannot being shiny, so my question: When do I have to [[Soft reset]] if the Pokémon is not Shiny? Example:
Do I have to Soft reset in Pokémon Heartgold before meeting the beasts in the burned tower, or before first encoutering them in the wild?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Unova roamers. ==

So, we have few things to check. Is it possible to encounter a roamer in rustling grass or rippling water? Is it also possible in dark grass's double battle, and what would happen? What would happen if someone used [[Appendix:Repel trick|Repel trick]] so that only Tornadus/Thundurus would be encountered, and then someone went initiated a wild double battle with dark grass? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 10:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Roaming Pokémon

2012-12-16T21:39:34Z

Iamjagman: /* IV/PV creation */

==Question...==
I dunno if this should be on Raikou's talk page, or even on Bulbapedia at all, but...where are each of the legendary beasts most commonly found? I really need to know, because in emerald when I caught latios, i caught it on route 131, so I was wondering if they visit a particular place often or not. plz help! [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:The areas they visit are totally random. But one area to another...the two are always adjacent to each other...{{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:51 11 Mar 2008}}}'''
::Oh yay! But I have another question; in order to get a shiny of the roamers, would I have to keep restarting and beating the game in order for it to be shiny? [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 09:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know. Wait for TTE's answer. What I AM sure of is that if it is a yes, don't bother. {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:58 11 Mar 2008}}}'''

Is it possible we can find a way to link this page to the actual roaming pokemon and all subsequent pages that apply? 'Roaming' wasn't quite the word I think of when I want such a list as this (that word is 'runner') and as far as I can find, it's only linked to three pages: [[Mesprit]], the [[Legendary Beasts]], and [[Fullmoon Island]]. At least linking it means disclosing a term-and-article ''actually exist'' and isn't just guessing if one does. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 13:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sevii roamers? ==

Do the roaming Pokemon listed as "roaming Kanto" also roam the Sevii Islands, or just the Kanto mainland? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 14:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:Just the Kanto mainland. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== IV/PV creation ==

How are IV's and Personality Values determined? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
: EXTREMELY late, but I'm pretty sure that they're determined when they're "generated". So basically, it's when you trigger the event that causes them to start roaming. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:39, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

== Runaway Pokémon ==

Make a related page? It's about those that run away when in the wild. e.g. {{p|Growlithe}}, {{p|Snubbull}}. Those who played {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} should understand. It's similar to Safari Zone running away, except they could be caught with any Poké Ball. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not a bad idea. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps we can just make a list, for efficiency? [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

==Encounter rate?==
Let's say you're on the same route as a roaming Pokémon. What is the chance of finding it in the wild, as opposed to the route's native Pokémon? I would ask on the forums, but I figure this information would be good in the article. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Suicune in Gen IV ==
How is it assumed that Suicune is a raoming pokemon in HGSS? If Eusine is actually in the games then the story is just as likely to be close to Crystals story meaning that Suicune could be stationary. So many assumptions on this site... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 05:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::Oh yea, looks like I was right! in everyone's Faces! (I say this because people have attacked me when I have assumed that things like Mount Moon/all of kanto wouldn't be a complete areas because these "Remakes" aren't 100% like the originals (Gold/silver) yet people made assumptions that things will be exactly the same here and were proven wrong)-- [[User:D558|D558]] 10:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


== Tracking ==

In HGSS, Raikou and Entei are not able to be tracked via the Pokedex as they could in Gen II. Is there some sort of requirement to be able to track them, like battling Suicune first? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Look at the map on your Pokégear, you'll see the Entei and Raiku heads, assuming you've already made them scatter from the Burned Tower. --[[User:Kerrick|Kerrick]] 20:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be mentioned that you can't use multiple screens in HGSS, since you could in DPPt, but not with your Pokégear in HGSS. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 16:13, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

==Something odd==
er...I'm not sure how important this is, but should it be noted that roaming pokemon can be found in bodies of water on the routes they are on
I encountered a Raikou while crossing a small body of water, which I found odd
--User: Xaigon_Paladin 7:23, 30 May 2010 UTC
:I can support this claim. I found and captured my Latias while surfing on the route around Sootopolis. [[User:TailsDM|TailsDM]] 21:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

== make lati reappear in hgss? ==
I just wanted to ask if beating the elite four reset lati@s? I know it resets a lot of roamers, and I just wanted to make sure the same worked for latios before I killed for a good nature. [[User:Bobertbojo2|Bobertbojo2]] 16:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:This kind of question is more suited for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== They DON'T flee and attack on the same turn ==

In the first paragraph, "If they try to flee and fail, they attack on the same turn" is a little off. In HG/SS at least, they try to flee only on turns where it looks like they can at the start of the turn. If you do something like Mean Look before it can flee, it says it failed to flee, and it '''does not''' attack that turn.

Additionally, they will successfully flee even if they're asleep. The next time you see them, they're still asleep. (I'm pretty sure they didn't flee in their sleep in Gen II - I think I remember successfully using sleep instead of Mean Look.)

I don't know whether they'll try to flee again if the Mean Looker is switched out. Didn't think to test that and now I've caught all the roamers in my HG.

To make it clear, a few chains of events that happened to me tonight in HG:
(note: I'm using a Lv. 90 Gallade with False Swipe, Mean Look, and Hypnosis)
*met Entei → I use False Swipe → Entei fled
*met Entei → I use Mean Look → Entei couldn't get away (doesn't try to attack me) → I use Hypnosis → (eventually) Entei woke up and Roared
*met Entei → I use Hypnosis → Entei fell asleep → Entei fled
*met Entei (he's still asleep)...
[[User:Chupi|Chupi]] 06:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

:I ''knew'' something was off with that statement about roaming Pokémon "being able to attack in the same turn that they try to flee". Though the aforementioned log of events from [[User:Chupi|Chupi]] pertains to [[Generation IV]], I don't recall that happening with any of the [[Generation III]] roaming Pokémon that I've encountered/caught, either. In particular, the battles I waged against Entei and Raikou in Pokémon FireRed Version would have been '''much''' more difficult if they were allowed to both attempt to flee and attack in one turn, since (from my experience), they are prone to using the move Roar when they cannot escape. I'm removing the statement from the article for now, but this claim about roamers being able to attempt-to-flee-AND-attack in the same turn could possibly use a bit more testing... [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 22:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

::It's interesting that in G4 and onwards a Roaming pokemon can still flee while asleep. It's probably safe to say that their attempt to flee is performed ''before'' their status check (the sleep/paralysis/frozen messages ''never'' occur when they attempt to flee), but I can confirm for sure that their attempt to flee is a +0 priority action -- any increased-priority move (e.g. {{m|Quick Attack}}) will execute before it, otherwise your Speed needs to be faster than theirs (or have a Quick Claw on hand) to get your move in.
:: All in all, a good capture strategy? Once they're asleep and low on HP, forget about trapping them and just start lobbing Quick Balls (total 8x catch rate). : ) --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Actually, fleeing has a -7 [[priority]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Battles ==

If you meet a roaming pokemon repeated times, will it be counted as one battle, or individual battles? I keep on throwing quick balls, they don't work. --[[User:Steel Dragon|Steel Dragon]] 22:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are individual battles. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:12, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
::They are indeed individual. The Quick Ball not working on the first throw is like a Dusk Ball not working inside a cave. It's just a matter of luck. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think they are continued because in one of my games (I can't remember which) the Pokemon had a lower hp than normal because I had attacked it in my previous encounter--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] 20:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
::While they don't recover HP or restore status problems, that shouldn't affect them being individual battles. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:54, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
: Let's crunch the math.
** Most legendaries have a base catch rate of 3/255, or 0.4% (per [[Poké Ball]]) at full HP.
** Reduce them to 1 HP, put them asleep, use a Quick Ball at the start of each encounter, you ''still'' only have a '''9.8%''' chance (per Ball).
** Therefore, you'll need an average of '''10.625 balls''' to ensure a catch. Purchase at least a dozen before you start hunting!
** However, even this cannot guarantee a catch, it's still a matter of luck:
*** ''Every time'' you throw a Quick Ball, there's a 90.2% chance they will escape. 9 times out of 10!
*** Which is roughly a 67.3% (roughly 2 of 3) chance per ''shake''. (capture = four shakes) Yes, 2 of 3 times they will just immediately break right out and escape. Get used to seeing it happen.
*** Even after throwing ''eleven'' balls (the "average" amount needed), there's a 33.7% (about 1 in 3) chance that they'll ''still'' be roaming around free.
*** The good news? A 66.3% chance (2 of 3) that ''one'' of those eleven balls will have caught them by now.

:So ... in the end you just have to be patient and keep trying. Don't give up, you ''will'' catch them eventually. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

== Flight, movement, etc. ==

* If the player escapes, will the roaming Pokémon disappear forever?
* Latios (and probably Latias) move to adjacent routes, unlike Cresselia, who seems to teleport randomly all over Sinnoh. Latios/Latias probably also don't appear [[underwater]], and Sinnoh roamers probably don't appear in the water or {{si|Battle Park}}. Should their movement behaviors be mentioned?
* Route boundary's meaning is unclear.
* There must be a rate to encountering a roaming Pokémon.
* Do roaming Pokémon recover [[Power Points]] between encounters? Do they keep the item one gives them with {{m|Trick}} or {{m|Bestow}}? [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 15:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:#No
:#Why wouldn't Sinnoh roamers appear in the water? The Johto ones do (battling Entei on the water is weird).
:#I've clarified it as "leaving the area".
:#It's been a while since I've encountered a roaming Pokémon, but don't they always appear once you encounter a wild Pokémon in an area they are in?
:#Since they don't recover HP between battles I would assume these remain, but it does require testing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Shiny Roaming ==

I read the [[Shiny Pokémon]] Page, it doesn't mention anything of the roaming Pokémon cannot being shiny, so my question: When do I have to [[Soft reset]] if the Pokémon is not Shiny? Example:
Do I have to Soft reset in Pokémon Heartgold before meeting the beasts in the burned tower, or before first encoutering them in the wild?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 18:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== Unova roamers. ==

So, we have few things to check. Is it possible to encounter a roamer in rustling grass or rippling water? Is it also possible in dark grass's double battle, and what would happen? What would happen if someone used [[Appendix:Repel trick|Repel trick]] so that only Tornadus/Thundurus would be encountered, and then someone went initiated a wild double battle with dark grass? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 10:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Sinnoh Route 222

2012-12-15T21:49:03Z

Iamjagman: /* Rich Boy Trey */

== Pokémon Size Contest ==
Does this Pokémon ever change, and do the prizes change? If so, at what interval? Does anyone know? I know that I got a [[Net Ball]] for showing him a big [[Remoraid]]. --[[User:Crystal_Shards|'''Crystal Shards''']] 17:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Where do you even get a big Remoraid? Do you just show him a Remoraid? O_o [[User:AshDawnBrock|AshDawnBrock]] 22:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:I imagine it would be something to do with the [[personality value]] or some other hidden data. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== Big Pokemon ==

I just went to the TV in Platinum and it talked about a 10 foot tall Bellsprout. I don't know if that has anything to do with the Pokemon Size Contest, or if it's even catchable (as I didn't see a route number because I was speeding through the text. until I saw 10 foot Bellsprout anyway. then I paid attention XD), but I definitely felt the need to mention it on here. Can someone shed some light on this? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 20:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== Rich Boy Trey ==

The page doesn't show it, but Trey can be rematched to use a higher levelled Luxray. I would fix it myself, but I don't know how to get the Vs. Seeker icon next to his name. [[User:Hurricane|Hurricane]] 21:19, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
:: I'll test real quick and if this proves to be true, I'll edit it in. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:41, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
::: Confirmed and fixed! [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 21:49, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Sinnoh Route 222

2012-12-15T21:48:10Z

Iamjagman: /* Pokémon Platinum */

{{Route infobox
|number=222
|size=290
|image=Sinnoh Route 222 Pt.png
|type=land
|west=Valor Lakefront
|east=Sunyshore City
|surf=yes
|cut=yes
|rocksmash=yes
|mapdesc=A sandy beach extends from the road. The beach is busy with avid Fishermen happily casting at the water's edge. A man who loves fishing lives near here. There is also a man who will compare sizes of caught fish.
|region=Sinnoh
|generation=4
}}

'''Route 222''' is a route in southeastern [[Sinnoh]], connecting [[Sunyshore City]] and [[Valor Lakefront]].

==Route description==
Just at the beginning of the route, there is a large patch of grass to the north. Along the upper half of the patch's left side are three short paths going west, the middle one of which contains a hidden {{DL|Potion|Full Restore}} at its end. Heading east from the patch of grass, there is a fork in the road, leading to upper and lower paths.

The upper path has few Trainers, a [[soft soil]] patch, and a thin branch next to a ledge with an item at the end. There is a short path leading behind the gate. To the left is a grass patch, and to the right is a {{m|Cut}} tree that leads to an item.

The lower path is on sand. There are five Trainers here, four that will only battle if talked to. There are a few large boulders scattered around, along with two rocks that can be {{m|Rock Smash|smashed}}. To the northeast of the path, there are two buildings: the {{p|Pikachu}} Fan Club, which contains a Trainer disguised as a Pikachu, and a house hosting the Pokémon Size Contest, in which a fisherman will give a prize if the player shows him a large Pokémon of his request. South-east is a short path to two grassy patches which both contain an item.

There is a [[honey]] tree and a Trainer near the Sunyshore City gatehouse.

===Pikachu Fan Club===
{{sign|DPcity|header}}
{{sign|DPcity|PIKACHU Fan Club}}
{{sign|DPcity|Pikapikapikah! Pikapika?}}
{{sign|DPcity|footer}}
On the beach, there is a house called the "Pikachu Fan Club" containing a man with six Pikachu. He claims to be planning to challenge the Pokémon Championship using only Pikachu. One of the Pikachu is actually a Trainer in disguise who will battle the player using two Pikachu of her own.

===Pokémon Size Contest===
{{sign|DPcity|header}}
{{sign|DPcity|Pokémon Size Contest}}
{{sign|DPcity|Big Pokémon Wanted!}}
{{sign|DPcity|footer}}
There is another house on the beach just to the right of the Pikachu Fan Club. This house contains a fisherman who has a dream that a Trainer would bring him a giant Pokémon. He will give a prize if the player shows him a large Pokémon of his request.

==Items==
{{itlisth|land}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|At end of middle path between trees in north-west corner ''(hidden)''|D=yes|P=yes|display={{DL|Potion|Full Restore}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|
* Up from the jumpable ledge, next to the man who gives out {{TM|56|Fling}}
* In the grass west of the {{ball|Quick}} (requires {{m|Rock Smash}}) ''(hidden)''|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Potion|Full Restore}} ×2}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|
* At end of middle path between trees in north-west corner ''(hidden)''
* Just right of the Pikachu Fan Club|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Potion|PP Up}} ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Honey|
* In large patch of grass east of beach (requires {{m|Rock Smash}}) ''(hidden)''
* Near the fourth flight of steps on the northern path, west of the man who gives out {{TM|56|Fling}}|D=yes|P=yes|display=[[Honey]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|TM Dark|From the man near cliff edge|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|display={{TM|56|Fling}}}}
{{Itemlist|Carbos|Behind {{m|cut}}-able tree|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Vitamin|Carbos}}}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|In the grass north-west of the man who gives out {{TM|56|Fling}} ''(hidden)''|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Quick Ball|In large patch of grass east of beach (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})|Pt=yes|display={{ball|Quick}}}}
{{Itemlist|TinyMushroom|(requires {{m|Surf}}) ''(hidden)''|D=yes|P=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|TinyMushroom}}}}
{{Itemlist|TinyMushroom|In the grass east of the {{ball|Quick}} (requires {{m|Rock Smash}}) ''(hidden)''|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|TinyMushroom}}}}
{{Itemlist|Big Mushroom|In small patch of grass in far south-east corner (requires {{m|Rock Smash}} and {{m|Surf}}) ''(hidden)''|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|Big Mushroom}}}}
{{Itemlist|Heart Scale|On the beach, south of the Pikachu Fan Club ''(hidden)''|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|Heart Scale}}}}
{{Itemlist|Pearl|South of the westernmost rock at the beach ''(hidden)''|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|Pearl}}}}
{{itlistfoot|land}}

==Pokémon==
{{catch/header|land}}
{{catch/entry4|081|Magnemite|no|no|yes|Grass|39|all=10%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entry4|082|Magneton|no|no|yes|Grass|41|all=5%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entry4|122|Mr. Mime|yes|no|no|Grass|41-42|all=15%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry4|125|Electabuzz|no|no|yes|Grass|39-41|30%|30%|20%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry4|278|Wingull|yes|yes|no|Grass|41|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|278|Wingull|no|no|yes|Grass|38|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|279|Pelipper|no|no|yes|Grass|40|all=5%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|404|Luxio|no|no|yes|Grass|38-40|all=10%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry4|419|Floatzel|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-42|25%|25%|35%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry4|419|Floatzel|no|no|yes|Grass|40|20%|20%|0%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry4|419|Floatzel|no|no|yes|Grass|38-41|0%|0%|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry4|423E|Gastrodon|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-42|10%|10%|20%|type1=Water|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry4|423E|Gastrodon|yes|yes|no|Grass|40|all=20%|type1=Water|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry4|431|Glameow|no|yes|no|Grass|40|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry4|432|Purugly|no|yes|no|Grass|41-42|all=15%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry4|441|Chatot|yes|yes|no|Grass|40-41|20%|20%|0%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|441|Chatot|no|no|yes|Grass|38|10%|10%|0%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entry4|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|no|Surf|20-30|all=60%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry4|072|Tentacool|no|no|yes|Surf|30-40|all=60%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry4|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|no|Surf|20-40|all=5%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry4|073|Tentacruel|no|no|yes|Surf|30-50|all=9%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry4|278|Wingull|yes|yes|no|Surf|20-30|all=30%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|278|Wingull|no|no|yes|Surf|30-40|all=30%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|279|Pelipper|yes|yes|no|Surf|20-40|all=5%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|279|Pelipper|no|no|yes|Surf|30-50|all=1%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entry4|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|3-10|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry4|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10-25|all=65%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry4|223|Remoraid|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10-25|all=35%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry4|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|30-40|all=60%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|130|Gyarados|no|no|yes|Fish Super|30-55|all=65%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|224|Octillery|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|20-50|all=35%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry4|224|Octillery|no|no|yes|Fish Super|30-55|all=35%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry4|319|Sharpedo|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|40-55|all=5%|type1=Water|type2=Dark}}
{{catch/div|land|Swarm}}
{{catch/entry4|300|Skitty|yes|yes|no|Swarm|40|all=40%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry4|300|Skitty|no|no|yes|Swarm|36-40|all=40%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/div|land|Special}}
{{catch/entry4|180|Flaaffy|yes|yes|no|Poké Radar|41-42|all=22%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry4|180|Flaaffy|no|no|yes|Poké Radar|38-41|all=22%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/footer|land}}

==Trainers==
===Pokémon Diamond and Pearl===
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Rich_Boy.png|Rich Boy|Trey|6880|1|404|Luxio|♂|43|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Beauty.png|Beauty|Nicola|2408|1|428|Lopunny|♀|43|None|36=ノリカ|37=Norika}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Officer.png|Policeman|Thomas|1680|2|164|Noctowl|♂|42|None|067|Machoke|♂|42|None|36=セイタロウ|37=Seitarō}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Sailor.png|Sailor|Marc|1376|1|458|Mantyke|♂|43|None|36=ユウジロウ|37=Yūjirō|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Tuber_M.png|Tuber|Conner|172|1|223|Remoraid|♂|43|None|36=トモオ|37=Tomoo}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Sailor.png|Sailor|Luther|1376|3|349|Feebas|♂|37|None|067|Machoke|♂|40|None|423|Gastrodon|♂|43|None|36=ユウシ|37=Yūshi}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Alec|1344|2|129|Magikarp|♂|40|None|130|Gyarados|♂|42|None|36=タツオ|37=Tatsuo|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|George|1344|4|129|Magikarp|♂|38|None|223|Remoraid|♂|40|None|456|Finneon|♂|40|None|130|Gyarados|♂|42|None|36=マサシ|37=Masashi}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Brett|1248|3|129|Magikarp|♂|39|None|456|Finneon|♂|42|None|349|Feebas|♂|39|None|36=ユキオ|37=Yukio}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Cole|1312|3|130|Gyarados|♂|41|None|223|Remoraid|♂|38|None|130|Gyarados|♂|41|None|36=マツオ|37=Matsuo}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Tuber_F.png|Tuber|Holly|172|1|223|Remoraid|♀|43|None|36=アユミ|37=Ayumi}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Poké Kid.png|Poké Kid|Janet|328|2|025|Pikachu|♀|41|None|025|Pikachu|♀|41|None|36=アヤカ|37=Ayaka}}
{{Trainerfooter}}

===Pokémon Platinum===
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Rich_Boy.png|Rich Boy|Trey|7200|1|405|Luxray|♂|45|None|36=マサヒコ|37=Masahiko|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Beauty.png|Beauty|Nicola|2520|1|428|Lopunny|♀|45|None|36=ノリカ|37=Norika}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Sailor.png|Sailor|Marc|1440|1|458|Mantyke|♂|45|None|36=ユウジロウ|37=Yūjirō}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Tuber_M.png|Tuber|Conner|176|1|223|Remoraid|♂|44|None|36=トモオ|37=Tomoo}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Sailor.png|Sailor|Luther|1376|3|278|Wingull|♂|41|None|423|Gastrodon|♂|43|None|067|Machoke|♂|42|None|36=ユウシ|37=Yūshi}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Alec|1440|2|129|Magikarp|♂|42|None|130|Gyarados|♂|45|None|36=タツオ|37=Tatsuo}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP_Fisherman.png|Fisherman|George|1344|4|129|Magikarp|♂|41|None|130|Gyarados|♂|42|None|223|Remoraid|♂|41|None|456|Finneon|♂|41|None|36=マサシ|37=Masashi}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
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2012-12-15T21:41:02Z

Iamjagman: /* Rich Boy Trey */

Talk:Elesa

2012-07-18T16:59:15Z

Iamjagman: /* Infatuation with trainer? */

"She is also the only Electric-type Gym Leader not to use a member of the Pikachu evolutionary line; this is due to the fact that Pikachu are not found in Isshu. "
* Uhm.... What about [[Wattson]]? oh, wait, he uses Raichu later
[[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 10:15, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== Official Art? ==

I found a scan from Corocoro with the official art of her, but there's a lot of text on it. That said, would it still be okay to post the picture even if there's text on it, at least until there's cleaner art of her? [[User:Loveon|Loveon]] 05:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think so. I've seen that scan, and if I recall correctly the sheer amount of text would distract heavily from the image. I say wait. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::I think any art is better than no art. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:43, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Bumping this because I found [[a:File:Bw kamitsureart.png|the image in question]] unused on the Archives. I don't see why we shouldn't use this, I agree that cropped or text-covered art is still better than no art. We used to put up crappy magazine scans of the new BW Pokémon, remember? [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 22:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I had uploaded that and posted the picture in the profile. But then someone took it down. So... what should we do? [[User:Loveon|Loveon]] 00:12, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Military Clothes? ==

I think she's the first Electric type gym leader that isn't wearing some form of military-type clothing. Something for the trivia section maybe? --[[User:Bulbafreak9000|Bulbafreak9000]] 03:10, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:It's been added and removed like ten times already. Lt. Surge is the only one who wears a true military suit. The others are just opinions. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

==Trivia==
*'' Kamitsure is always depicted wearing corded {{wp|headphones}}; however, they aren't connected to any device.''
Yeah, she obviously was drawn that way, but still it makes no sence. Why she has this earphones and why they are corded? That's what I wanted to point.
*Also [http://www.failikovnet.ru/uploads/posts/1278238505_bf3eac3a4f0b.jpg this]. I don't actually know, who she is, but they obviously have some similarities, should we note it? --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 14:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's ''pokémon'', does anything have to make complete sense? For all we know, the device could be "in" the headphones. [[User:BabyRuRu|BabyRuRu]] 04:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

:Isn't Kamitsure the only Gym Leader to use two of the same Pokémon with identical movesets? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 16:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::No, I checked it already. [[Janine]], [[Koga]] and [[Jasmine]] (maybe someone else) also use two identical pokemon. Kamitsure it the only one from Generation V though. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 17:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

* Can we note that she's supposedly a model? Or is that just a rumor?
And the fact that both her and Volkner are electric type gym leaders with blonde hair, blue eyes, can be encountered outside their gym and their sprite is sitting (or, er, reclining) is creeping me out. Is that trivia-worthy? Eh? [[User:BabyRuRu|BabyRuRu]] 04:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:Regarding the fact that she is model, a boy from the building on the west side of [[Striaton City]] states it. — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 11:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== Japanese name ==

I thought it was ''Kamitsure'', not ''Kamiture''. --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆Yoshis''']][[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''World☆''']] 17:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:"Kamiture" spelling appeared in PokeSpe on the headbands of Elesa's cheering squad. I think that someone has treated it too seriously. I'd take it with a grain of salt. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:01, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

The thing is, if you know how the Japanese "alphabet" works, you know that things written 'tu' in romaji are pronounced 'tsu' (not all anymore since the new katakana syllable addition), but if you don't... The Japanese doesn't have a 'tu' syllable that is pronounced as 'tu', the ta-row goes ta, chi, tsu, te, to, but in Japanese keyboards, you only need to put in 'tu' because Japanese people know.
Sorry for the long bla, I guess what I want to say is that her name IS Kamitsure, and the other spelling was probably for Japanese people (or people familiar with the Japanese writing system), but it is highly confusing for the average Bulbapedia user in terms of pronunciation. {{unsigned|Eevee-Girl}}
:You see, while {{wp|Hepburn romanization}} dictates that つ and ツ are "tsu", official romanizations can vary greatly from Hepburn. For example, virtually all Pokémon names have official romanizations which are different from their literal romanizations. The idea here is that it was officially romanized as "Kamiture" (in PokéSpe), so that is where the name came from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Infatuation with trainer? ==

Elesa seems to have fallen for Black/White, based on some of her dialogue. Is this possible?

[[User:VendettatheGreat|VendettatheGreat]] 21:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)VendettatheGreat
:Specifically which dialogue are you referring to? I don't see it. We have everything she says in-game on the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:18, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::I believe he's referring to the Post Battle dialogue, where she stumbles over her words a bit. I got the same feeling when playing through that part. [[User:Iamjagman|Iamjagman]] ([[User talk:Iamjagman|talk]]) 16:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

== Error in Elesa's article ==

In the article, it says Elesa debuted in Black and White, but she did not make her debut until Black and White: Rival Destinies. Proof of this is that when Ash and co. saw Elesa for the first time, they didn't recognize her, and this was in the first episode of Black and White: Rival Destinies. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] 22:18, 18 February 2012 (UTC))
: It says for the Main game series that she debuts in Black & White and for the anime series it states she debuted in the episode ''Enter Elesa, Electrifying Gym Leader!''. Don't see how either of those are an error. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 18:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
::He saw "Black and White" as the anime season, not the game pair--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 18:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I thought, SandmanDP. Just a simple mistake, thanks. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] 22:18, 18 February 2012 (UTC))

== Lipica Shah didn't voice her ==

On her Facebook page she states that she voiced the battle judge.
http://www.facebook.com/actresslipicashah?sk=wall&filter=2

== Eileen Stevens ==
Honestly I think it's Eileen Stevens who did the voice of Elesa. Sounds exactly like her. Anyone else agree with me? ([[User:DTJMan|DTJMan]] 01:27, 20 February 2012 (UTC))
:It doesn't quite matter who people ''think'' voiced who. When we're at a loss, we typically ask the officials. Unfortunately in my case, one person's ill and likely won't be online for a while, and the other has yet to respond. So let's wait till we get official word. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes that sounds fine. But its more than a thought of mine. And not to be too blunt about it but it's quite obvious that it's her. Correct me if I'm wrong please. But getting the official word is the right way to go about it of course. ([[User:DTJMan|DTJMan]] 01:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC))
:What do you mean officials? [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 00:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
::We have contact with many of the voice actors, and they're usually the ones that provide this sort of information, that way we're always accurate. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 12:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

== Elesa's attire ==

[[File:Elesa anime.png|200px|thumb|left|Notice that in the anime, her sholder blades are visible and her navel is covered...]][[File:Elesa Adventures.png|100px|thumb|right|...while it's vise versa in the manga?]]
On [[BW069]], when Cilan had to crossdress as Elesa, I saw that when he was holding her shirt that it had skin tone patches, but on a picture of her in the manga, her navel was showing, meaning that the skin tone patches were her skin. Also, in the anime, Elesa's shoulder blades are visible, indicating that the top patch is showing that part of her chest, yet when Cilan was holding her shirt in BW069, it was a skin tone cloth at that area. Should someone mention in the Trivia section that her shirt is drawn inconsistent on multiple occasions and various sources? [[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] 18:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
:I do not think so. I feel the clothes during the contest were simply costume garbs, and not ''exactly'' what the person wears. For example, that obviously wasn't ''really'' Alder's hair, nor could Alder's clothes really fit Ash. So I think Elesa's was simply a costume and made it for people that didn't want to show off their actual skin. This actually isn't all that uncommon for costumes, for people who are a bit more modest than others. So no, I don't personally feel we need to point it out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

::Ok. Thanks. :) [[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] 21:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

== Black Hair? ==

If anyone has seen the recent anime-style trailer for B/W2, I noticed that Elesa's hair color changed from yellow to black. Not sure if this is okay to add to the page, but I thought I'd mention it. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] 19:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I would think its OK, I'm not an admin, but if I were I'd say yes, but don't say black hair in specific, I'd just say a new attire. [[User:Lucario985|Lucario985]] Chowolun 19:28, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I would hold off on adding that if I were you, since we don't have any official confirmation that it's her, as (I believe) we only saw her from behind in the trailer. --[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]] 03:14, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
:We saw her from just about every angle, including several close-up facial shots. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:20, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I know it looks a lot like her, but Marriland brings up a good point: Although several other sites have "confirmed" that this is Elesa based on the trailer video, please note that Elesa has blue eyes in Black and White, while the Gym Leader shown above has yellow eyes. Her name was also never spoken in the trailer. Though it is still entirely possible it is Elesa, that's a very deliberate detail that is hard to change (whereas hair color is easily changeable), unless she uses contacts or something — but that's a lot less likely.

As soon as her name is revealed on the official website instead of just on other Pokemon fansites, I will change this, but please remain somewhat skeptical as to whether or not this is Elesa.

I didn't notice this before but thinking about it, it does make sense to wait before just assuming in my opinion.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 19:57, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:The "Elesa" in the video indeed has blue eyes if you pause right before she rips off her cloak. While evidence point to her being Elesa, there still is a chance that it may not be. I'll look into it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 20:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::The description of the video on Youtube has a cast and character's list and she's credited as "Kamiture" so it's her. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Ah, well there we go then. :P [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 02:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

== The new category ==

Somebody should add her to Category:Black 2 and White 2 characters. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 12:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
:I found that I'm allowed to do that by myself. So I have done. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 12:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)