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Vivillon (Pokémon)

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{{Pokémon Infobox
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'''Vivillon''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ビビヨン''' ''Viviyon'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bug|Flying}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} introduced in [[Generation VI]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Spewpa}} starting at [[level]] 12. It is the final form of {{p|Scatterbug}}.

In [[Generation VI]] and [[Generation VII]], Vivillon's wing pattern depends on the real-world geographic location set on the game the Pokémon was generated in. In {{g|Scarlet and Violet}}, Spewpa will always evolve into Fancy Pattern Vivillon. There are a total of twenty known patterns, one of which is {{pkmn2|event}}-exclusive. For a partial list of real-world Vivillon pattern locations, see {{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Vivillon|List of Pokémon with form differences → Vivillon}}.

==Biology==
Vivillon is a butterfly-like {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} with wings that come in a large variety of patterns. It has a round, grayish head with large, black, pixelated eyes and a pair of skinny antennae. The tips of the antennae each have an ovoid scale that is dark gray on the upper half and beige on the lower half. Vivillon's thorax is an ovoid and divided into three segments; each segment is a different shade of gray. Its legs are also ovoid and are dark gray on the lower half, beige on the upper half, and have a black band in the middle. It has two black, circular hands and no visible arms.

While Vivillon's wings come in a wide variety of colors and patterns, they always have black edges and pixelated markings. Its wings' pattern is affected by the climate and topography of the environment it lives and is born in. It can spread its scales to poison its opponents during battle; or, as shown in the [[XY012|anime]], to calm an opponent's fighting spirit. It is highly capable of finding sources of water, such as springs.

Vivillon is the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] capable of learning the move {{m|Powder}} by leveling up.

==In the anime==
===Main series===
[[File:Vivillon anime.png|thumb|250px|Vivillon in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
====Major appearances====
Vivillon debuted in its Meadow Pattern form in ''[[XY005|A Blustery Santalune Gym Battle!]]'', under the ownership of [[Viola]]. Viola used it in a [[Gym]] {{pkmn|battle}} against {{Ash}}, where it battled {{AP|Fletchling}} and won. Vivillon reappeared in [[XY006|the next episode]], where it had a [[rematch]] against {{p|Fletchling}} and won again, but then lost against {{AP|Pikachu}}. It reappeared again in ''[[XY012|To Catch a Pokémon Smuggler!]]'' in a flashback. Vivillon then physically reappeared in ''[[XY135|Rocking Kalos Defenses!]]'' and ''[[XY136|Forming a More Perfect Union!]]'', where it participated in the fight against the [[Giant Rock]].

Multiple Vivillon appeared in ''[[XY012|To Catch a Pokémon Smuggler!]]''. They debuted in their Continental, Elegant, Garden, Icy Snow, Savannah, and Sun Pattern forms in this episode, in which they all evolved from a group of Spewpa that had been targeted by [[Dolan]].

Multiple Meadow Pattern Vivillon appeared in ''[[PK27|Pikachu and the Pokémon Music Squad]]''. They were among the Pokémon residing in a forest.

A Meadow Pattern Vivillon appeared in ''[[XY113|Performing a Pathway to the Future!]]'', under the ownership of {{an|Aria}}. It was used in the final round of the [[Gloire City]] Master Class [[Pokémon Showcase]].

A Meadow Pattern Vivillon appeared in ''[[XY137|Battling With a Clean Slate!]]'', under the ownership of [[Alvin]]. It battled [[Clembot]], going up against {{TP|Clemont|Magnemite}} and winning, but it then lost against {{TP|Clemont|Magneton}}.

====Minor appearances====
Multiple Meadow Pattern Vivillon appeared in ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]'' as residents of [[Allearth Forest]].

Three Meadow Pattern Vivillon appeared in ''[[XY089|A Frolicking Find in the Flowers!]]''.

Two Meadow Pattern Vivillon appeared in ''[[XY119|A Full-Strength Battle Surprise!]]'', where they fled from [[Team Flare]] as they conducted an experiment.

Six Meadow Pattern Vivillon appeared in ''[[XY121|Seeing the Forest for the Trees!]]'', having all evolved from Spewpa.

Multiple Meadow Pattern Vivillon appeared in ''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]''.

In [[JN133]], Multiple Jungle Pattern Vivillon were seen on [[Faraway Island]].

====Pokédex entries====
{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY005|Vivillon|Ash's Pokédex|Vivillon, the Scale Pokémon. Vivillon are skillfully able to find a source of water. It has been said that you'll find a spring if you follow a Vivillon.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Kalos}}

===Pokémon Generations===
[[File:Vivillon PG.png|thumb|250px|Vivillon in [[Pokémon Generations]]]]
A Meadow Pattern Vivillon appeared in ''[[PG16|The Beauty Eternal]]'', where it briefly flew past {{DL|Lumiose City|Café Soleil}}.
{{-}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Viola Vivillon Adventures.png|thumb|130px|Meadow Pattern Vivillon in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===Movie adaptations===
A Vivillon appeared in the {{ma|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction|manga adaptation}} of ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]'' as a resident of [[Allearth Forest]].

===Pokémon Adventures===
[[Viola]] owns a Meadow Pattern Vivillon that she uses in her Gym. It first appeared in ''[[PS554|Kangaskhan...Kangascan't]]''.

In ''[[PS570|Dancing Vivillon]]'' and ''[[PS571|Burning Fletchinder]]'', fifteen {{tc|Sky Trainer}}s were hypnotized by [[Malva]] and used fifteen Vivillon, each with a different Pattern. The Vivillon Patterns which debuted were the Archipelago, Continental, Elegant, Garden, High Plains, Icy Snow, Jungle, Modern, Monsoon, Polar, River, Sandstorm, Savanna, Sun, and Tundra Patterns. The leader of these Sky Trainers, [[Yvette]], has mentioned that she has 18 of the Vivillon Patterns, including the Poké Ball and Fancy Patterns. After their defeat and no longer being hypnotized the Vivillon safely land the Sky Trainers down in ''[[PS572|Shooting Frogadier]]''. Yvette later uses a Marine Pattern Vivillon with her other Vivillon and in conjunction with Viola's Meadow Pattern Vivillon.
<gallery>
Yvette Vivillon Hurricane Adventures.png|Archipelago, Continental, Elegant, Polar and Icy Snow Pattern Vivillon in [[Pokémon Adventures]]
Yvette Fancy Poké Ball Vivillon Adventures.png|Poké Ball and Fancy Pattern Vivillon in [[Pokémon Adventures]]
Yvette Vivillon Hold Hands Adventures.png|Sun and Savanna Pattern Vivillon in [[Pokémon Adventures]]
Yvette Vivillon Safeguard Adventures.png|Archipelago, Sun, Savanna, Monsoon, Modern, High Plains, Icy Snow, River, Tundra, Polar, Sandstorm, Modern, Marine, Garden and Elegant Pattern Vivillon in [[Pokémon Adventures]]
</gallery>

==In the TCG==
{{main|Vivillon (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=VI|reg1=Kalos|num1=022|label1=Central|reg2=Hoenn}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=Vivillon with many different patterns are found all over the world. These patterns are affected by the climate of their habitat.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon's wings depend on the climate and topography of its habitat. It scatters colorful scales.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=FFF|entry=Vivillon with many different patterns are found all over the world. These patterns are affected by the climate of their habitat.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon's wings depend on the climate and topography of its habitat. It scatters colorful scales.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=VII|reg1=Alola|reg2=Kanto}}
{{Dex/NE|[[Generation VII]]}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/3|gen=VIII|reg1=Galar|reg2=Sinnoh|reg3=Hisui}}
{{Dex/NE|[[Generation VIII]]}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/1|gen=IX|reg1=Paldea|num1=37}}
{{Dex/Form|Archipelago Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from places with many islands.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a place with many islands. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Continental Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands of vast space.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land of vast space. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Elegant Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands with distinct seasons.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land with distinct seasons. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Fancy Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from a mysterious land.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a mysterious land. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Garden Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from verdant lands.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a verdant land. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|High Plains Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands with little rain.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land with little rain. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Icy Snow Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from frigid lands.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in frigid lands. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Jungle Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands of tropical rain forests.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land of tropical rain forests. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Marine Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands with ocean breezes.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land with ocean breezes. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Meadow Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands where flowers bloom.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land where flowers bloom. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Modern Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from sun-drenched lands.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a sun-drenched land. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Monsoon Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands with intense rainfall.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land with intense rainfall. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Ocean Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands of perpetual summer.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land of perpetual summer. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Poké Ball Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from a special land.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a special land. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Polar Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from snowy lands.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a snowy land. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|River Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands where large rivers flow.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land where large rivers flow. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Sandstorm Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from parched lands.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a parched land. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Savanna Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands with a tropical climate.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land with a tropical climate. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Sun Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands bathed in light.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land bathed in light. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
{{Dex/Form|Tundra Pattern}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Scarlet|t=FFF|entry=The patterns on this Pokémon depend on the climate and topography of the land it was born in. This form is from lands of severe cold.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Violet|t=FFF|entry=This Pokémon was born in a land of severe cold. It scatters colorful, toxic scales from its wings during battle.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}
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|-
| style="{{roundy|0px}} border-radius: 5px; border:2px solid #{{bug color light}}; background:#{{bug color light}}| [[File:Pokedex Image Vivillon SV.png|x200px]]
|-
| Vivillon in the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Paldea Pokédex number|Paldea Pokédex}}
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===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=bug|type2=flying}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=X|v2=Y|t=FFF|area=[[Friend Safari]] ([[Friend Safari#Bug-type Safari|Bug]])}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|area=[[Trade]], [[#In events|Event]]}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Sun|v2=Moon}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Ultra Sun|v2=Ultra Moon|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Spewpa}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Let's Go Pikachu|v2=Let's Go Eevee|area=Unobtainable}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VIII}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Sword|v2=Shield|area=Unobtainable}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Brilliant Diamond|v2=Shining Pearl|area=Unobtainable}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Legends: Arceus|area=Unobtainable}}
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{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Battle Trozei|color={{defense color}}|area=[[Renegade Meadow#Stage 4|Renegade Meadow: Stage 4]] ('''Meadow Pattern''')}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Shuffle|color={{beauty color}}|area=[[Albens Town|Albens Town: Stage 220]] ('''Meadow Pattern''') Event: [[Special Stages#Eighth release|''Pokémon Safari'']] (Eighth release; '''Poké Ball Pattern''')}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Pearl Marsh#Fluffy Meadow|Pearl Marsh: Fluffy Meadow]] (All Areas; '''Meadow Pattern''')}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Picross|color={{skill color light}}|area=[[Pokémon Picross Stages#Area 29|Area 29: Stage 08]] ('''Meadow Pattern''')}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Rush|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Celebi Sea]], [[Greninja Sea]], [[Jirachi Sea]]Final, [[Celebi Sea]]Final, [[Mimikyu Sea]]Final, [[Mewtwo Sea]]Final}}
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{{Availability/Gen|gen=VIII}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=New Snap|link=New Pokémon Snap|color={{orange color light}}|area=[[Florio Nature Park]]Day ('''Meadow Pattern'''), Level 3 ('''Garden Pattern'''), Night with Secret Side Path ('''Garden Pattern'''), [[Secret Side Path]]Day ('''Meadow/Garden Patterns'''), Night ('''Garden Pattern''') [[Laboratory of Ecology and Natural Sciences|Research Camp]] ('''Poké Ball/Fancy Patterns''') [[Founja Jungle]]Day Level 2+ ('''Monsoon Pattern'''), Level 3 ('''Jungle Pattern'''), Night Level 2 ('''Jungle/River Patterns''') [[Mightywide River]]Day ('''Jungle Pattern'''), Level 2+ ('''River Pattern'''), Night ('''Jungle/River Patterns'''), Level 2 ('''Monsoon Pattern''') [[Elsewhere Forest]]Level 3 ('''Modern/Elegant Patterns''') [[Blushing Beach]]Day, Night ('''Marine Pattern''') [[Maricopia Reef]] Evening ('''Ocean Pattern''') [[Sweltering Sands]]Day ('''Sandstorm Pattern'''),Night Level 2 ('''Sun/Savanna Patterns''') [[Barren Badlands]]Night ('''Sandstorm/Savanna/Sun Patterns'''), Level 2 ('''Jungle/Marine/Modern/Ocean/Polar/Tundra Patterns''') [[Fireflow Volcano]]Level 3 ('''High Plains Pattern''') [[Shiver Snowfields]]Day Level 2+ ('''Tundra Pattern'''), Level 3 ('''Polar Pattern'''), Night Level 2('''Icy Snow Pattern''') [[Outaway Cave]]Level 2+ ('''Jungle Pattern'''), Level 3 ('''Archipelago Pattern''') [[Ruins of Remembrance]]Level 3 ('''Continental Pattern''')}}
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====In events====
=====Poké Ball Pattern=====
{{eventAvail/h|Region|type=bug|type2=flying}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|Paris Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon|All|France|12|June 4 to 21, 2014|link=List of local event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Paris Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|Pokémon Center Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon|All|Japan|12|August 1 to 31, 2014|link=List of local event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Pokémon Center Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|Summer 2014 Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon|American region|Nintendo Network|12|August 6 to 12, 2014|link=List of American region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Summer 2014 Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|Summer 2014 Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon|PAL region|Germany|12|August 14 to September 30, 2014|link=List of PAL region serial code event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Summer 2014 Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|Summer 2014 Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon|PAL region|Nintendo Network|12|August 29 to September 8, 2014|link=List of PAL region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Summer 2014 Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}|Pokémon Center Hiroshima Poké Ball Pattern Vivillon|All|Japan|12|May 1 to 31, 2016|link=List of local event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Vivillon}}
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=====Fancy Pattern=====
{{eventAvail/h|Region|type=bug|type2=flying}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon|Japanese region|Nintendo Network|12|July 7 to 31, 2014|link=List of Japanese region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon|American region|Nintendo Network|12|July 7 to 31, 2014|link=List of American region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon|PAL region|Nintendo Network|12|July 7 to 31, 2014|link=List of PAL region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon|Korean region|Nintendo Network|12|July 7 to 31, 2014|link=List of Korean region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XY}}|GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon|Taiwanese region|Nintendo Network|12|July 7 to 31, 2014|link=List of Taiwanese region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#GTS Fancy Pattern Vivillon}}
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===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats
|type=Bug
|type2=Flying
|HP= 80
|Attack= 52
|Defense=50
|SpAtk= 90
|SpDef= 50
|Speed= 89}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|Normal= 100
|Fighting= 25
|Flying= 200
|Poison= 100
|Ground= 0
|Rock= 400
|Bug= 50
|Ghost= 100
|Steel= 100
|Fire= 200
|Water= 100
|Grass= 25
|Electric=200
|Psychic= 100
|Ice= 200
|Dragon= 100
|Dark= 100
|Fairy= 100
|notes=yes
|flying=ironball
|newground=½}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/9|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Sleep Powder|Grass|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Poison Powder|Poison|Status|—|75|35}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Stun Spore|Grass|Status|—|75|30}}
{{learnlist/level9|1|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|{{tt|Evo.|Learned upon evolving}}|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|12|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level9|17|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level9|21|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20}}
{{learnlist/level9|25|Draining Kiss|Fairy|Special|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level9|31|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/level9|35|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level9|45|Quiver Dance|Bug|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level9|50|Hurricane|Flying|Special|110|70|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/9|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}

====By [[TM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/9|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM007|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM014|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM015|Struggle Bug|Bug|Special|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM016|Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM017|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM018|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM021|Pounce|Bug|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM025|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM032|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM037|Draining Kiss|Fairy|Special|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM040|Air Cutter|Flying|Special|60|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM047|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM049|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM050|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM060|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM065|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM070|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM075|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM085|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM103|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM104|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM111|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM113|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM119|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM120|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM131|Pollen Puff|Bug|Special|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM152|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM160|Hurricane|Flying|Special|110|70|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM162|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM163|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM168|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm9|TM171|Tera Blast|Normal|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tmf/9|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/9|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}
{{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/9|048|Venonat}}{{MSP/9|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP/9|666|Vivillon}}|Poison Powder|Poison|Status|—|75|35}}
{{learnlist/breed9|{{MSP/9|637|Volcarona}}|Rage Powder|Bug|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/breedf/9|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh/9|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}
{{learnlist/prevo9|664|Scatterbug|||||Tackle|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/prevo9|664|Scatterbug|||||String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40}}
{{learnlist/prevo9|664|Scatterbug|||||Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20|'''}}
{{learnlist/prevo9|665|Spewpa|||||Harden|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/prevof/9|Vivillon|Bug|Flying|6}}

===Side game data===
====Meadow Pattern====
{{Spindata/Head|type=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{Spindata/RumbleRush|col=6|type=Bug|ndex=666
|walk=1.67
|hp=55
|attack=75
|defense=48
|speed=60
}}
|-
{{Template:Spindata/Battle Trozei|col=3|type=Bug|ndex=666
|power=2
|skill=Power of Five
|skilldesc=Increases the damage dealt by matching five Pokémon.
}}
{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=3|type=Bug|ndex=666|num=284
|min=60
|max=105
|raisemaxlevel=5
|skill=Astonish
|skilldesc=Delays your opponent's disruptions.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Bug|ndex=666
|hatch=N/A
|buddy=1
|evolution=N/A
|stamina=190
|attack=176
|defense=103
|fast={{m|Bug Bite}}, {{m|Gust}}, {{m|Struggle Bug}}
|special={{m|Bug Buzz}}, {{m|Aerial Ace}}, {{m|Energy Ball}}, {{m|Hurricane}}
}}
|-
{{Spindata/NewSnap|col=6|type=Bug|ndex=666|pdex=001
|dex=The patterns on a Vivillon's wings adapt to the environment. Even on the same island, you can find different Vivillon in areas with different climates.}}
|}

====Poké Ball Pattern====
{{Spindata/Head|type=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{Spindata/Shuffle|type=Bug|ndex=666Pok|num=284
|min=60
|max=105
|raisemaxlevel=5
|skill=Flash Mob
|skilldesc=Increases damage when there are more Pokémon with the same type in the puzzle area.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Bug|ndex=666Pok
|hatch=N/A
|buddy=1
|evolution=N/A
|stamina=190
|attack=176
|defense=103
|fast={{m|Bug Bite}}, {{m|Gust}}, {{m|Struggle Bug}}
|special={{m|Bug Buzz}}, {{m|Aerial Ace}}, {{m|Energy Ball}}, {{m|Hurricane}}
}}
|-
{{Spindata/NewSnap|col=6|type=Bug|ndex=666Pok|pdex=001
|dex=The patterns on a Vivillon's wings adapt to the environment. Even on the same island, you can find different Vivillon in areas with different climates.}}
|}

====Other Patterns====
{{Spindata/Head|type=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Bug|ndex=666{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=Arc|1=Con|2=Ele|3=Fan|4=Gar|5=Hig|6=Icy|7=Jun|8=Mar|9=Mod|10=Mon|11=Oce|12=Pol|13=Riv|14=San|15=Sav|16=Sun|17=Tun}}
|hatch=N/A
|buddy=1
|evolution=N/A
|stamina=190
|attack=176
|defense=103
|fast={{m|Bug Bite}}, {{m|Gust}}, {{m|Struggle Bug}}
|special={{m|Bug Buzz}}, {{m|Aerial Ace}}, {{m|Energy Ball}}, {{m|Hurricane}}
}}
|-
{{Spindata/NewSnap|col=6|type=Bug|ndex=666{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=Arc|1=Con|2=Ele|3=Fan|4=Gar|5=Hig|6=Icy|7=Jun|8=Mar|9=Mod|10=Mon|11=Oce|12=Pol|13=Riv|14=San|15=Sav|16=Sun|17=Tun}}|pdex=001
|dex=The patterns on a Vivillon's wings adapt to the environment. Even on the same island, you can find different Vivillon in areas with different climates.}}
|}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=bug
|type2=flying
|pictype=art
|no1=664
|name1=Scatterbug
|type1-1=Bug
|evo1={{bag/s|Rare Candy|SV}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 9}}
|no2=665
|name2=Spewpa
|type1-2=Bug
|evo2={{bag/s|Rare Candy|SV}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 12}}
|no3=666
|name3=Vivillon
|type1-3=Bug
|type2-3=Flying}}

===Forms===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; font-size:80%; background: #{{bug color}}; {{roundy|10px}} border: 3px solid #{{flying color dark}}"
|-
| Archipelago Pattern
| Continental Pattern
| Elegant Pattern
| Fancy Pattern
| Garden Pattern
|-
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Archipelago.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Continental.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Elegant.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Fancy.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Garden.png|96px]]
|-
| High Plains Pattern
| Icy Snow Pattern
| Jungle Pattern
| Marine Pattern
| Meadow Pattern
|-
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-High_Plains.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Icy_Snow.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Jungle.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Marine.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Meadow.png|96px]]
|-
| Modern Pattern
| Monsoon Pattern
| Ocean Pattern
| Poké Ball Pattern
| Polar Pattern
|-
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Modern.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Monsoon.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Ocean.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Poké_Ball.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Polar.png|96px]]
|-
| River Pattern
| Sandstorm Pattern
| Savanna Pattern
| Sun Pattern
| Tundra Pattern
|-
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-River.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Sandstorm.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Savanna.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Sun.png|96px]]
| style="{{roundy|96px}} border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color light}};"| [[File:666Vivillon-Tundra.png|96px]]
|}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=bug|type2=flying}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=VI}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=666}}
{{Spritebox/7|ndex=666}}
{{Spritebox/8/HOME|ndex=666}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|666|Vivillon}}

==Trivia==

* Vivillon and its pre-evolved forms are the only {{type|Bug}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation VI]].
** Vivillon and its pre-evolved forms are also the only Generation VI Pokémon in the {{egg|Bug}} [[Egg Group]].
* Vivillon's [[Effort values|effort value]] [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield|yield]] of 1 HP, 1 Special Attack, and 1 Speed is unique.
* Vivillon's [[List of Pokémon by color|Pokédex color]] has changed between generations:
** In Generation VI, Vivillon's Pokédex color is black.
** In [[Generation VII]], Vivillon's Pokédex color is white.
** In [[Pokémon HOME]], each of Vivillon's forms are listed under distinct color groupings based on the color of their wings.
*** Since the release of Pokémon HOME, Vivillon is listed under the most [[Pokédex]] [[List of Pokémon by color|color]] groupings, with a total of nine.
*** There currently exists a Vivillon form for every Pokédex color group, except black.
* Vivillon cannot learn {{m|Iron Defense}} from a Move Tutor, even though its pre-evolution, {{p|Spewpa}}, is able to learn this move.
* As of [[Generation IX]], Vivillon has the most [[Pokédex]] entries for a single Pokémon, with 20 per game (one for each form). However, only some of these 20 entries are currently accessible, as Spewpa can only evolve into Fancy Pattern Vivillon in {{g|Scarlet and Violet}}, and only a few other entries can be gained from NPC encounters.

===Origin===
Considering the many different varieties of Vivillon that differ depending on the player's geographic location, Vivillon may have been based on ''{{wp|Papilio dardanus}}'' which is known for having over 14 known morphs, each of which mimics a different distasteful species of butterfly, a reference to {{wp|Polymorphism (biology)|polymorphism}}. Its block-like wing patterns may be based on {{wp|pixel art}}. Modern Pattern Vivillon in particular may be based on modern art, specifically the {{wp|De Stijl}} movement.

====Name origin====
Vivillon may be a combination of ''vivid'' and ''papillon'' (French for butterfly). It may also involve ''brillant'' (French for brilliant).

Viviyon may be a combination of 美 ''bi'' (beauty), ''vivid'', and ''papillon''. It may also involve ''brillant''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=bug|type2=flying
|ja=ビビヨン ''Viviyon''|jameaning=From {{tt|美 ''bi''|beauty}}, ''vivid'', and {{tt|''papillon''|French for butterfly}}
|fr=Prismillon |frmeaning=From {{tt|''prisme''|prism}} and {{tt|''papillon''|butterfly}}
|es=Vivillon |esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Vivillon |demeaning=Same as English name
|it=Vivillon |itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=비비용 ''Vivillon''|komeaning=Transcription of English name
|zh_cmn=彩粉蝶 ''Cǎifěndié''{{tt|*|Games}} 碧粉蝶 ''Bìfěndié''{{tt|*|Pre-Gen VII Media}}|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|彩 ''cǎi''|variety of color}}, {{tt|鱗粉 ''línfěn''|scale}}, and {{tt|蝶 ''dié''|butterfly}} From {{tt|碧 ''bì''|jade}}, {{tt|鱗粉 ''línfěn''|scale}}, and {{tt|蝶 ''dié''|butterfly}}
|zh_yue=彩粉蝶 ''Chóifándihp''{{tt|*|Games}} 碧粉蝶 ''Bīkfándihp''{{tt|*|Pre-Gen VII Media}}|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|彩 ''chói''|variety of color}}, {{tt|鱗粉 ''lèuhnfán''|scale}}, and {{tt|蝶 ''dihp''|butterfly}} From {{tt|碧 ''bīk''|jade}}, {{tt|鱗粉 ''lèuhnfán''|scale}}, and {{tt|蝶 ''dihp''|butterfly}}
|hi=विविल्लोन ''Vivillon''|himeaning=Transcription of English name
|ru=Вивийон ''Viviyon''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
|he=ויוולון ''Vivilon''|hemeaning=Transcription of English name
|th=วิวิญอง ''Wiwiyong''|thmeaning=Transcription of Japanese name
}}
{{-}}
{| class="roundy sortable" style="width: 100%; text-align: center; border: 2px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background: #{{bug color}}"
|-
! class="roundytop" style="background-color: #{{bug color light}}" | {{flag|England|English|20}} English
! class="roundytop" style="background-color: #{{bug color light}}" | {{flag|Japan|Japanese|20}} Japanese
! class="roundytop" style="background-color: #{{bug color light}}" | {{flag|France|French|20}} French
! class="roundytop" style="background-color: #{{bug color light}}" | {{flag|Germany|German|20}} German
! class="roundytop" style="background-color: #{{bug color light}}" | {{flag|Italy|Italian|20}} Italian
! class="roundytop" style="background-color: #{{bug color light}}" | {{flag|Spain|Spanish|20}} Spanish
! class="roundytop" style="background-color: #{{bug color light}}" | {{flag|South Korea|Korean|20}} Korean
! class="roundytop" style="background-color: #{{bug color light}}" | [[File:China and Taiwan Flags.png|20px|Chinese]] Chinese
! class="roundytop" style="background-color: #{{bug color light}}" | {{flag|Brazil|Brazilian Portuguese|20}} Brazilian Portuguese
|- style="background: #fff"
| Icy Snow Pattern || ひょうせつのもよう Icy Snow Pattern || Motif Blizzard || Frostmuster || Motivo Nevi Perenni || Motivo Polar || 빙설의 모양 {{tt|Bingseor ui Moyang|Ice Pattern}} || 冰雪花紋 / 冰雪花纹 {{tt|Bīngxuě Huāwén / Bīngsyut Fāmàhn|Icy Snow Pattern}} || Padrão Neve Congelada
|- style="background: #fff"
| Polar Pattern || ゆきぐにのもよう Snow Country Pattern || Motif Banquise || Schneefeldmuster || Motivo Nordico || Motivo Taiga || 설국의 모양 {{tt|Seolgug ui Moyang|Snow Country Pattern}} || 雪國花紋 / 雪国花纹 {{tt|Xuěguó Huāwén / Syutgwok Fāmàhn|Snow Country Pattern}} || Padrão Polar
|- style="background: #fff"
| Tundra Pattern || せつげんのもよう Snow Field Pattern || Motif Glace || Flockenmuster || Motivo Manto di Neve || Motivo Tundra || 설원의 모양 {{tt|Seorwon ui Moyang|Snow Field Pattern}} || 雪原花紋 / 雪原花纹 {{tt|Xuěyuán Huāwén / Syutyùhn Fāmàhn|Snow Field Pattern}} || Padrão Tundra
|- style="background: #fff"
| Continental Pattern || たいりくのもよう Continent Pattern || Motif Continent || Kontinentalmuster || Motivo Continentale || Motivo Continental || 대륙의 모양 {{tt|Daeryog ui Moyang|Continental Pattern}} || 大陸花紋 / 大陆花纹 {{tt|Dàlù Huāwén / Daaihluhk Fāmàhn|Continental Pattern}} || Padrão Continental
|- style="background: #fff"
| Garden Pattern || ていえんのもよう Garden Pattern || Motif Verdure || Ziergartenmuster || Motivo Prato || Motivo Vergel || 정원의 모양 {{tt|Jeongwon ui Moyang|Garden Pattern}} || 庭園花紋 / 庭园花纹 {{tt|Tíngyuán Huāwén / Tìhngyùhn Fāmàhn|Garden Pattern}} || Padrão Jardim
|- style="background: #fff"
| Elegant Pattern || みやびなもよう Elegant Pattern || Motif Monarchie || Prunkmuster || Motivo Eleganza || Motivo Oriental || 우아한 모양 {{tt|Ua-han Moyang|Elegant Pattern}} || 高雅花紋 / 高雅花纹 {{tt|Gāoyǎ Huāwén / Gōungáh Fāmàhn|Elegant Pattern}} || Padrão Elegante
|- style="background: #fff"
| Meadow Pattern || はなぞののもよう Flower Garden Pattern || Motif Floraison || Blumenmeermuster || Motivo Giardinfiore || Motivo Floral || 화원의 모양 {{tt|Hwawon ui Moyang|Flower Garden Pattern}} || 花園花紋 / 花园花纹 {{tt|Huāyuán Huāwén / Fāyún Fāmàhn|Flower Garden Pattern}} || Padrão Prado
|- style="background: #fff"
| Modern Pattern || モダンなもよう Modern Pattern || Motif Métropole || Innovationsmuster || Motivo Trendy || Motivo Moderno || 모던한 모양 {{tt|Modern-han Moyang|Modern Pattern}} || 摩登花紋 / 摩登花纹 {{tt|Módēng Huāwén / Mōdāng Fāmàhn|Modern Pattern}} || Padrão Moderno
|- style="background: #fff"
| Marine Pattern || マリンのもよう Marine Pattern || Motif Rivage || Aquamarinmuster || Motivo Marino || Motivo Marino || 마린의 모양 {{tt|Marine ui Moyang|Marine Pattern}} || 大海花紋 / 大海花纹 {{tt|Dàhǎi Huāwén / Daaihhói Fāmàhn|Marine Pattern}} || Padrão Marinho
|- style="background: #fff"
| Archipelago Pattern || ぐんとうのもよう Archipelago Pattern || Motif Archipel || Archipelmuster || Motivo Arcipelago || Motivo Isleño || 군도의 모양 {{tt|Gundo ui Moyang|Archipelago Pattern}} || 群島花紋 / 群岛花纹 {{tt|Qúndǎo Huāwén / Kwàhndóu Fāmàhn|Archipelago Pattern}} || Padrão Arquipélago
|- style="background: #fff"
| High Plains Pattern || こうやのもよう Wilderness Pattern || Motif Sécheresse || Dürremuster || Motivo Deserto || Motivo Estepa || 황야의 모양 {{tt|Hwangya ui Moyang|Wilderness Pattern}} || 荒野花紋 / 荒野花纹 {{tt|Huāngyě Huāwén / Fōngyéh Fāmàhn|Wilderness Pattern}} || Padrão Planalto
|- style="background: #fff"
| Sandstorm Pattern || さじんのもよう Duststorm Pattern || Motif Sable || Sandmuster || Motivo Sabbia || Motivo Desierto || 사진의 모양 {{tt|Sajin ui Moyang|Duststorm Pattern}} || 沙塵花紋 / 沙尘花纹 {{tt|Shāchén Huāwén / Sāchàhn Fāmàhn|Dustcloud Pattern}} || Padrão Deserto
|- style="background: #fff"
| River Pattern || たいがのもよう Big River Pattern || Motif Delta || Flussdeltamuster || Motivo Fluviale || Motivo Oasis || 대하의 모양 {{tt|Daeha ui Moyang|Big River Pattern}} || 大河花紋 / 大河花纹 {{tt|Dàhé Huāwén / Daaihhòh Fāmàhn|Big River Pattern}} || Padrão Rio
|- style="background: #fff"
| Monsoon Pattern || スコールのもよう Squall Pattern || Motif Cyclone || Monsunmuster || Motivo Pluviale || Motivo Monzón || 스콜의 모양 {{tt|Squall ui Moyang|Squall Pattern}} || 驟雨花紋 / 骤雨花纹 {{tt|Zhòuyǔ Huāwén / Jaauhyúh Fāmàhn|Rain Shower Pattern}} || Padrão Monção
|- style="background: #fff"
| Savanna Pattern || サバンナのもよう Savanna Pattern || Motif Mangrove|| Savannenmuster || Motivo Savana || Motivo Pantano || 사바나의 모양 {{tt|Savanna ui Moyang|Savanna Pattern}} || 熱帶草原花紋 / 热带草原花纹 {{tt|Rèdài-Cǎoyuán Huāwén / Yihtdaai-Chóuyùhn Fāmàhn|Savanna Pattern}} || Padrão Savana
|- style="background: #fff"
| Sun Pattern || たいようのもよう Sun Pattern || Motif Zénith || Sonnenmuster || Motivo Solare || Motivo Solar || 태양의 모양 {{tt|Taeyang ui Moyang|Solar Pattern}} || 太陽花紋 / 太阳花纹 {{tt|Tàiyáng Huāwén / Taaiyèuhng Fāmàhn|Solar Pattern}} || Padrão Solar
|- style="background: #fff"
| Ocean Pattern || オーシャンのもよう Ocean Pattern || Motif Soleil Levant || Ozeanmuster || Motivo Oceanico || Motivo Océano || 오션의 모양 {{tt|Ocean ui Moyang|Ocean Pattern}} || 大洋花紋 / 大洋花纹 {{tt|Dàyáng Huāwén / Daaihyèuhng Fāmàhn|Ocean Pattern}} || Padrão Oceano
|- style="background: #fff"
| Jungle Pattern || ジャングルのもよう Jungle Pattern || Motif Jungle || Dschungelmuster || Motivo Giungla || Motivo Jungla || 정글의 모양 {{tt|Jungle ui Moyang|Jungle Pattern}} || 熱帶雨林花紋 / 热带雨林花纹 {{tt|Rèdài-Yǔlín Huāwén / Yihtdaai-Yúhlàhm Fāmàhn|Tropical Rainforest Pattern}} || Padrão Selva
|- style="background: #fff"
| Fancy Pattern || ファンシーなもよう Fancy Pattern || Motif Fantaisie || Fantasiemuster || Motivo Sbarazzino || Motivo Fantasía || 팬시한 모양 {{tt|Fancy-han Moyang|Fancy Pattern}} || 幻彩花紋 / 幻彩花纹 {{tt|Huàncǎi Huāwén / Waahnchói Fāmàhn|Fancy Pattern}} || Padrão Chique
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | Poké Ball Pattern || ボールのもよう Ball Pattern || Motif Poké Ball || Pokéball-Muster || Motivo Poké Ball || Motivo Poké Ball || 볼의 모양 {{tt|Ball ui Moyang|Ball Pattern}} || 球球花紋 / 球球花纹 {{tt|Qiúqiú Huāwén / Kàuhkàuh Fāmàhn|Ball Pattern}} || style="{{roundybr|5px}}" | Padrão Poké Bola
|}

==Related articles==
* [[List of Pokémon with form differences]]

==External links==

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|}
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Pokémon Picross

2016-01-10T07:15:09Z

HeroicJay: The Mega Pencil IS required for a few mural tiles, in a roundabout sort of way. Steelix won't part with his tile unless you bring a Mega Evolved Pokemon, for instance.

{{search|Nintendo 3DS title|the cancelled Game Boy Color title|Pokémon Picross (Game Boy Color)}}
{{incomplete}}
{{Infobox game
|colorscheme=yellow
|bordercolorscheme=skill
|name=Pokémon Picross
|jname=ポケモンピクロス
|boxart=Pokémon Picross logo.png
|caption=Logo of Pokémon Picross
|jbox=Pokémon Picross JP logo.png
|jcaption=Japanese logo of Pokémon Picross
|platform=[[Nintendo 3DS]]
|category=Puzzle
|players=1 player
|developer=[[Jupiter Corporation]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation VI]] [[Spin-off Pokémon games|spin-off]]
|cero=A
|esrb=E
|pegi=3
|acb=G
|release_date_ja=December 2, 2015
|release_date_na=December 3, 2015
|release_date_au=December 4, 2015
|release_date_eu=December 3, 2015
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/p-picross/ Official site]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemonpicross.com/en-us/ Official site] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-picross/ Pokémon.com] [http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/sMS-u_TB6Ntwi445nUzgIBvJRvaNfSrm Nintendo.com]
}}
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'''Pokémon Picross''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンピクロス''' ''Pokémon Picross'') is an {{wp|freemium}} [[Nintendo 3DS]] game that was released in Japan on December 2, 2015, in North America and Europe on December 3, 2015, and in Australia on December 4, 2015. A ''picross'', from ''picture'' and ''crossword'', is a genre of puzzle games, also known as a {{wp|nonogram}}. It was developed by [[Jupiter Corporation]].

The game features at least 300 puzzles featuring many species of Pokémon available at the time of release, including all [[Legendary Pokémon]], [[Legendary Pokémon|Mythical Pokémon]], and [[Mega Evolution|Mega-Evolved]] Pokémon as of {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}.

The game was announced in the November 12, 2015 [[Nintendo Direct]].

==Blurb==
''Pokémon Picross is a puzzle game where you reveal a hidden Pokémon illustration. Once you solve an illustration of a Pokémon, you can collect that Pokémon. Collected Pokémon help you solve more difficult puzzles. With 300+ standard Pokémon puzzles, a significantly harder advanced mode, and Daily Training, this game will supply hours of enjoyment.''

==Gameplay==
Each puzzle consists of a grid of squares. To complete a puzzle, particular squares are shaded in to make some sort of picture. In each puzzle, there are numbers adjacent to each row or column which indicate how many squares in each corresponding row or column need to be shaded. For the tutorial area and for some puzzles later on, [[Professor Tetra]] is there to guide the player; players can opt to skip the tutorials and just solve the puzzles without help.

Pokémon are acquired as a puzzle is successfully completed, and captured Pokémon can be used to reveal clues in later puzzles using one of 12 different skills; after doing this, they become tired and must recharge over time. Mega Evolution is also confirmed to be an element of gameplay.

Squirtle and Eevee are not presented immediately as puzzles, but instead are given to the player upon leaving the tutorial area for the first time. The player is required to use their skills as a tutorial for Stage 01-01. Their puzzles are shown later.

==Picrites==
Picrites are rare stones with magical power that can be obtained in-game or purchased in the Nintendo eShop. Picrites allow players to access new areas and can speed up the recovery of any tired non-Legendary and non-Mythical Pokémon's skill. Up to 5,000 Picrites can be purchased (equivalent to ¥3,750) and there is a money cap of around $30 - $32 then you unlock infinite Picrites. After this you only need to wait for your Pokemon skills to recharge and other than that you won't have to wait for anything in the game. This method of using in-game currency is similar to the format used by [[Pokémon Rumble World]] in that Diamonds are used in that game to access new areas, and that game is also programmed with a Diamonds purchasing cap.

Picrites are rewarded in-game by completing a stage; many stages offers a first time clear reward of 30 Picrites. Players may also earn additional Picrites by completing goals with each successful solve. For instance, a puzzle may need to be solved in five minutes or less; doing so earns the player bonus Picrites. There may also be multiple missions on a single puzzle; completing them all at the same time can earn more Picrites. Each goal has a specific number of Picrites as a bonus, which is indicated next to that goal.

It is possible to obtain Picrites through the Nintendo eShop for varying costs. Similar to [[Pokémon Rumble World]], there are two options that are one-time use packages. The different options for purchase are as follows:

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{yellow color}}; border:3px solid #{{skill color}}"
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" rowspan="2" | Number of Picrites
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}" colspan=4 | Cost
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" rowspan="2" | Notes
|- style="background:#{{yellow color light}}"
! United States
! Eurozone
! United Kingdom
! Japan
|- style="background:#fff"
| 200 || $0.99 || €0.99 || £0.89 || ||One-time use
|- style="background:#fff"
| 800 || $3.99 || €3.99 || £3.59 || ||One-time use
|- style="background:#fff"
| 200 || $1.49 || €1.49 || £1.39 || ¥150 || N/A
|- style="background:#fff"
| 1,000 || $6.99 || €6.99 || £6.29 || ¥700 || N/A
|- style="background:#fff"
| 2,000 || $12.99 || €12.99 || £11.69 || ¥1300 || N/A
|- style="background:#fff"
| 4,000 || $24.99 || €24.99 || £22.49 || ¥2500 || N/A
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" colspan="6" |
|}

==Energy==
Energy controls how many squares players are able to paint in puzzles. When encountering a Pokémon in the field, painting a square black uses one piece of energy. If a player runs out of energy, no more squares can be painted, and therefore no puzzles solved. Each piece of energy takes a period of 1 minute to regenerate, meaning that it would take three hours and twenty minutes to regenerate 200 pieces of energy, an expansion which Tetra forces the player to buy after clearing S01-02 for the first time to show it off. Energy can be refilled by pressing Y on the map screen and selecting to refill the energy gauge, but this costs the player 10 Picrites per refill. Players may instead opt to upgrade their energy meters:

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{yellow color}}; border:3px solid #{{skill color}}"
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Level
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}" | Energy
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}" | Cost
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Notes
|- style="background:#fff"
| 1
| 100
| N/A
| Starting level
|- style="background:#fff"
| 2
| 200
| 50 Picrites
| The player is forced by [[Professor Tetra]] to buy after S01-02. Tetra gives the player the amount to buy at that time.
|- style="background:#fff"
| 3
| 300
| 100 Picrites
| N/A
|- style="background:#fff"
| 4
| 400
| 150 Picrites
| N/A
|- style="background:#fff"
| 5
| Unlimited
| 400 Picrites
| Energy is unlimited after this upgrade
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" colspan="4" |
|}

==Skills==
Each species of Pokémon has one of 12 skills, and all skills are specific to one, two, or three [[type]]s.
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{yellow color}}; border:3px solid #{{skill color}}"
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Name
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Type
|- style="background:#fff"
| Blue Force
| {{bigic|Water}} {{bigic|Ice}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Rising Reveal
| {{bigic|Normal}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Slash Reveal
| {{bigic|Ground}} {{bigic|Rock}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Cross Reveal
| {{bigic|Fire}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Square Reveal
| {{bigic|Dragon}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Diamond Reveal
| {{bigic|Fairy}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Scatter Reveal
| {{bigic|Dark}} {{bigic|Poison}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Auto Fix X
| {{bigic|Steel}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Auto Fix
| {{bigic|Grass}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Hyper Scan
| {{bigic|Flying}} {{bigic|Fighting}} {{bigic|Bug}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Slow Time
| {{bigic|Electric}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| Freeze Time
| {{bigic|Psychic}} {{bigic|Ghost}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" colspan="2" |
|}

==Puzzles==
{{main|Pokémon Picross Stages}}
The main game features 312 puzzles divided into 31 areas (including the tutorial). In regular play, a Pokémon whose puzzle is completed is automatically caught.

===Main Game===
The first area in the game, Area 00, serves as a tutorial area and has puzzles featuring various items in the Pokémon games. The first four puzzles are mainly tutorial-driven, whereas the fifth puzzle is the first puzzle the player can really solve on his or her own. Stage 01-01 makes the player use Pokémon skills to show them off. Throughout the tutorial and for the first two Pokémon stages, the player can earn Picrites as a reward; after this, there are no Picrites given for puzzle solving and the player must earn bonus Picrites through challenges or purchase them directly.

====Passwords====
There is a password function built into the game. Passwords can be entered using one of two methods: players can either tap a stage requiring a password to enter it, or players can tap the first icon on the bottom of the screen and click the password button.

There are four passwords in the game, all of which are region-locked:
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{yellow color}}; border:3px solid #{{skill color}}"
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" rowspan=2 | Region
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" colspan=4 | Character
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | S03-06
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | S04-07
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | S05-07
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | S05-08

|- style="background:#fff"
| Japan
| {{tt|80930344|Untested}}
| {{tt|72398476|Untested}}
| {{tt|75946452|Untested}}
| {{tt|15768352|Untested}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| North America
| 34111425
| [http://www.pokemonpicross.com/en-us/ 75603372]
| 72005601
| 96734255
|- style="background:#fff"
| PAL
| 89907383
| [http://www.pokemonpicross.com/en-uk/ 18587211]
| 74326715
| 77742314
|- style="background:#fff"
| ???
| {{tt|24235988|Untested}}
| {{tt|21602893|Untested}}
| {{tt|77858192|Untested}}
| {{tt|20886261|Untested}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| ???
| {{tt|19871870|Untested}}
| {{tt|97053818|Untested}}
| {{tt|90176937|Untested}}
| {{tt|31986915|Untested}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| ???
| {{tt|52856270|Untested}}
| {{tt|71402434|Untested}}
| {{tt|24177718|Untested}}
| {{tt|38651076|Untested}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| ???
| {{tt|56005335|Untested}}
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| {{tt|91393494|Untested}}
| {{tt|16456607|Untested}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" colspan="2" |
|}

Once a player has entered all four passwords for his or her region, the password button is removed as the player is informed that all passwords have been entered. This means there are currently no passwords to unlock bonus Picrites or for any other purposes.

====Mega Pencil====
There are 48 puzzles for all Pokémon capable of [[Mega Evolution]]. These puzzles require the Mega Pencil. Upon tapping any of these puzzles, [[Professor Tetra]] points out her ability to manufacture one at the cost of 500 Picrites. The player can opt to decline or accept this proposition and whether to play the puzzles at that time or not. Once the player has a Mega Pencil, it is not necessary to obtain another one to do additional puzzles involving Mega Evolution. Once the Mega Pencil is obtained, clicking a Mega Evolution puzzle results in Tetra appearing to prompt the player, saying, "Pokémon can Mega Evolve! Let's have it undergo Mega Evolution." Players can also tap and drag on a puzzle location and drag (with or without the Mega Pencil) to bypass Tetra's comments.

All Mega Evolution puzzles have missions like every other puzzle, which provide 288 Picrites total as rewards. Additionally, 21 puzzles require Mega Evolved Pokémon, 16 of which are different puzzles, meaning even more Picrites can be earned on those puzzles. Additionally, six medals pertain to Mega Evolution while seven others involve certain teams or full completion in some fashion, at a value of 3 Picrites apiece. In total, it's possible to earn 381 Picrites with the Mega Pencil that cannot otherwise be earned in any way, making the purchase value of the Mega Pencil about 119 Picrites after completing the game.

Once a Pokémon's Mega Evolution is obtained, the icons for both the regular form and the Mega Evolution appear in the Pokémon list. Players can choose either to be in the party; however, the party is limited to a single Mega Evolution. Dragging a second Mega Evolution to the party results in all slots except the existing Mega Evolution slot turning red, allowing a player to swap that Pokémon only. Naturally, when a Mega Evolution is in the party, the regular form is forbidden to be in the party, and the same is true for trying to add a Mega to a party with the regular form already present; the only slot available for dragging either form in that situation is the same slot as the other form. It's interesting to note that there is no mechanic for Mega Evolution during the puzzle, and that a Pokémon that Mega Evolves (or before its Mega Evolution) can be used while its other form is resting.

====Mythical Pokémon====
[[Mythical Pokémon]] have a special mechanic at play in Pokémon Picross. With the exception of {{p|Phione}} (who does not appear at all), {{me|Diancie}} (who is available after catching Diancie itself), and {{p|Mew}} (who is locked by a password as noted above), all Mythical Pokémon will appear after a countdown timer has expired. Players do not get to see this countdown timer, and this timer continues to count while the game is not running.

When the timer expires, the player will be greeted by Professor Tetra informing of "big news". At this point, a Mythical Pokémon becomes available in one of the various areas of the game. These Pokémon stages have a red exclamation mark icon over them and a timer counting underneath; this timer represents the amount of time before the Pokémon is gone. These Pokémon must have their stages accessed within a set time period or they will disappear. If the Pokémon does vanish, the player will see another notification from Tetra and the countdown will begin again for the next random appearance; if the player is on that map, the map will then reload with the stage removed. If a Pokémon is allowed to vanish, it does not necessarily reappear immediately and another may appear first. In the event a player is not in the game, the notification may not be given immediately, but after a brief time the appearance will be triggered. If the 3DS is closed when the appearance countdown timer expires, the Pokémon will not appear nor will its availability countdown begin until the player has the game active again, with the notification appearing immediately upon opening the 3DS with the game running. The player will therefore always have the full time available to access the stage, though returning the game to an inactive state will not stop the timer at this point.

Once a Mythical Pokémon's stage is accessed, players can finish the puzzle regardless of the appearance timer and catch as normal; this means a player can pause and close the 3DS right after entering the stage (such as if low on energy) and come back with a full energy meter three hours later to finish the stage, if need be. If the player quits and the appearance timer still has time on it, the player can try again (this may be done to equip Pokémon with certain skills). If the player quits the puzzle after the appearance timer expires, the player will lose the chance to catch that Pokémon and have to try again a day or two later, based on the appearance rate. Once a Mythical Pokémon's stage is completed, it stays permanently and can be visited at any time to complete challenges.

Most Mythical Pokémon are available in their areas for an hour, though {{p|Genesect}}, {{p|Diancie}}, {{p|Hoopa}} Unbound, and {{p|Arceus}}, all from the last five areas of the game, stay for shorter varying lengths of time if their stages are not accessed. All Mythical Pokémon stages are the largest size available in the game, 20x15.

As soon as {{p|Arceus}} is caught, the timers for all remaining Mythical Pokémon are cut in half.

The Mythical Pokémon, their areas, the length of their appearance timers, and the amount of time each Pokémon is available for are as follows:

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{yellow color}}; border:3px solid #{{skill color}}"
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Pokémon
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Area
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Wait time (hours)
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Available time

|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Celebi}}
|04
|20
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Jirachi}}
|07
|20
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Deoxys}}
|16
|36
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Manaphy}}
|02
|20
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Darkrai}}
|18
|36
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Shaymin}} (Sky Forme)
|09
|36
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Arceus}}
|30
|48
|30 minutes
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Victini}}
|24
|36
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Keldeo}} (Resolute Forme)
|11
|36
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Meloetta}} (Aria Forme)
|21
|36
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Genesect}}
|26
|44
|15 minutes
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Diancie}}
|27
|40
|45 minutes
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Hoopa}} Confined
|08
|36
|1 hour
|- style="background:#fff"
|{{p|Hoopa}} Unbound
|29
|40
|45 minutes
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" colspan="2" |
|}

====Alt-World====
After completing Stage 05-03, [[Professor Tetra]] will appear to tell the player about Mega Picross puzzles. These puzzles involve clue numbers that cover two rows or columns and apply to squares in both rows and columns. The player is then invited back to the lab and given three new puzzles to complete in turn; these puzzles, like regular puzzles, do not give any Picrites as a reward and have no missions tied to them, but do use a player's energy unlike other tutorials. Upon completing the three puzzles, players can unlock access to Alt-World for 300 Picrites. After unlocking Alt-World, a player can freely travel between the two worlds and solve puzzles in areas that are already unlocked in the main world, and even complete another set of missions for each stage in Alt-World, but there are no Picrites to be gained in the Alt-World.

Stage availability works differently in Alt-World than in the main world. Each area unlocked in the main world starts with at least one stage unlocked; in the Alt-World, most areas have two or more stages available to start. This works by having the first stage from any linked area currently available in the main world available; for instance, in a fully unlocked game, in Area 12, A12-01, A12-03, and A12-04 are all available immediately. The Pokémon themselves appear in a different order than in the main world, though the stage access paths are the same, with any unlocked Mythical Pokémon and password stages available as regular stages in Alt-World. This means, if Alt-World is immediately accessed after clearing S05-03, that the player immediately begins with 11 puzzles available.

===Daily Training===
Once a day, Tetra will allow the player to complete a challenge featuring random puzzles. These puzzles don't form any kind of picture, and only serve as speed challenges for players. A usual "workout" involves completing a group of 7x7 puzzles in a set amount of time. If a player can complete the challenge, the reward is a small number of Picrites (between 4-13 depending on progress). Pokémon cannot be used here; Tetra states puzzles must be solved on the player's own merits.

As players advance through the areas of the game, the base training prize increases. After starting at 4 Picrites, reaching Area 05 allows Tetra to finish "research", and the base reward increases to 5 Picrites. As the level reward increases, players get an additional number of bonus Picrites. An example is completing Daily Training while in Area 05 and with a Lv.2 bonus, which rewards 6 Picrites. There are 10 levels to this bonus; being at Lv.10 gives the biggest bonus on top of the challenge clear reward; combined with stage clear rewards, this makes it possible to earn enough Picrites to unlock the next area in a matter of days. The boost in the daily training reward occurs with every four areas unlocked, meaning a player with 25 areas unlocked has reached the highest possible daily training reward (10 Picrites), while a Lv.10 bonus (3 Picrites) and a prize for meeting the target time (2 Picrites) yields a possible daily 15 Picrites for Daily Training.

Daily Training is accessed by tapping the arrow at the bottom of the screen and selecting the sixth icon, which looks like Tetra.

===Mural Mode===
There are 128 Mural Tiles scattered throughout the game. These puzzles can be completed whenever a player chooses without using up any energy. As with Daily Training, Pokémon cannot be brought to these puzzles to aid in solving. Completing the murals, which are of Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre respectively, will allow the player access to Primal Reversion. Visiting every area in the game is required to complete the murals; however, no Mega Pokémon puzzles offer these tiles as rewards. Upon completing all the mural tiles in one mural the entire mural can be resetted and played again.

Mural Mode can be accessed by tapping the arrow at the bottom of the screen and choosing the third icon.

==Medals==
There are 100 medals available in the game. Medals are rewarded to players for accomplishing specific tasks and all have a reward of 3 Picrites, allowing a player to earn 300 Picrites by collecting all medals.

Three medals are coded into the game but remain unused. These medals are:
*Legendary Dream Team (Clear a puzzle with five Legendary Pokémon)
*The Reliables (Catch all fully evolved first partner Pokémon from each region)
*Mythical Dream Team (Obtain a mural tile)

The available medals are as follows:
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{yellow color}}; border:3px solid #{{skill color}}"
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Medal #
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}" | Name
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Description
|- style="background:#fff"
|001||First Step||Clear the tutorial
|- style="background:#fff"
|002||First Journey||Unlock an area
|- style="background:#fff"
|003||New Traveler||Unlock 5 areas
|- style="background:#fff"
|004||Super Traveler||Unlock 10 areas
|- style="background:#fff"
|005||Hyper Traveler||Unlock 20 areas
|- style="background:#fff"
|006||Master Traveler||Unlock all areas
|- style="background:#fff"
|007||Hall of Fame||Reach the ending
|- style="background:#fff"
|008||First Friend||Catch a Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|009||Novice Pokémon Trainer||Catch 10 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|010||Intermediate Pokémon Trainer||Catch 50 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|011||Super Pokémon Trainer||Catch 100 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|012||Hyper Pokémon Trainer||Catch 200 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|013||Master Pokémon Trainer||Catch all Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|014||First Trial||Clear a Standard Mode mission
|- style="background:#fff"
|015||Path of Trials: Just Started||Clear 10 Standard Mode missions
|- style="background:#fff"
|016||Path of Trials: Finally Halfway||Clear 600 Standard Mode missions
|- style="background:#fff"
|017||Path of Trials: Almost There||Clear 999 Standard Mode missions
|- style="background:#fff"
|018||Ruler of the Path of Trials||Clear all Standard Mode missions
|- style="background:#fff"
|019||Alt-World Unlocked||Unlock Alt-World Mode
|- style="background:#fff"
|020||First Challenge in Alt-World||Clear an Alt-World Mode mission
|- style="background:#fff"
|021||Alt-World: Endless Road||Clear 10 Alt-World Mode missions
|- style="background:#fff"
|022||Alt-World: Second Half||Clear 600 Alt-World Mode missions
|- style="background:#fff"
|023||Alt-World: Final Push||Clear 999 Alt-World Mode missions
|- style="background:#fff"
|024||Ruler of Alt-World||Clear all Alt-World Mode missions
|- style="background:#fff"
|025||Further Challenge: Four Friends||Clear the Cresselia puzzle in Alt-World Mode with just 4 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|026||Further Challenge: Three Friends||Clear the Kyurem puzzle in Alt-World Mode with just 3 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|027||Further Challenge: Two Friends||Clear the Giratina puzzle in Alt-World Mode with just 2 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|028||Further Challenge: One Friend||Clear the Mewtwo puzzle in Alt-World Mode with just 1 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|029||Further Challenge: Solo||Clear the Arceus puzzle in Alt-World Mode without Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|030||New Power||Obtain the Mega Pencil
|- style="background:#fff"
|031||First Mega Evolution||Mega Evolve the first Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|032||Novice Mega Evolution Trainer||Mega Evolve 10 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|033||Super Mega Evolution Trainer||Mega Evolve 20 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|034||Hyper Mega Evolution Trainer||Mega Evolve 30 Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|035||Master Mega Evolution Trainer||Mega Evolve all Pokémon that are capable of Mega Evolution
|- style="background:#fff"
|036||Code Breaker||Unlock a password
|- style="background:#fff"
|037||Encounter of the Unknown||Catch a Mythical Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|038||Novice Mythical Pokémon Trainer||Catch 3 Mythical Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|039||Super Mythical Pokémon Trainer||Catch 6 Mythical Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|040||Hyper Mythical Pokémon Trainer||Catch 9 Mythical Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|041||Master Mythical Pokémon Trainer||Catch all Mythical Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
|042||Training Master||Clear Daily Training Lv. 10
|- style="background:#fff"
|043||Above and Beyond||Clear Daily Training Lv. 10 within 00:01:40
|- style="background:#fff"
|044||Blue-Force Master||Use Blue Force 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|- style="background:#fff"
|045||Auto-Fix X Master||Use Auto Fix X 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|046||Auto-Fix Master||Use Auto Fix 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|047||Hyper-Scan Master||Use Hyper Scan 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|048||Slow-Time Master||Use Slow Time 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|049||Freeze-Time Master||Use Freeze Time 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|050||Rising-Reveal Master||Use Rising Reveal 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|051||Slash-Reveal Master||Use Slash Reveal 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|052||Cross-Reveal Master||Use Cross Reveal 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|053||Square-Reveal Master||Use Square Reveal 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|054||Diamond-Reveal Master||Use Diamond Reveal 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|055||Scatter-Reveal Master||Use Scatter Reveal 50 times
|- style="background:#fff"
|056||Filled-Square Fan||Fill 100 squares
|- style="background:#fff"
|057||Filled-Square Ace||Fill 1000 squares
|- style="background:#fff"
|058||Filled-Square Leader||Fill 5000 squares
|- style="background:#fff"
|059||Filled-Square Champion||Fill 10000 squares
|- style="background:#fff"
|060||Filled-Square Legend||Fill 50000 squares
|- style="background:#fff"
|061||Button-Control Specialist||Clear a puzzle using the button-control method from beginning to end
|- style="background:#fff"
|062||Stylus-Control Specialist||Clear a puzzle using the stylus-control method from beginning to end
|- style="background:#fff"
|063||First Step to Primal||Obtain a mural tile
|- style="background:#fff"
|064||Beginning and End||Obtain all mural tiles
|- style="background:#fff"
|065||Embodiment of the Land||Clear Primal Groudon's mural
|- style="background:#fff"
|066||Embodiment of the Sea||Clear Primal Kyogre's mural
|- style="background:#fff"
|067||Apprentice Painter||Expand the Energy Gauge
|- style="background:#fff"
|068||Diligent Painter||Expand the Energy Gauge to level 2
|- style="background:#fff"
|069||Prolific Painter||Expand the Energy Gauge to level 3
|- style="background:#fff"
|070||Master Painter||Make the Energy Gauge unlimited
|- style="background:#fff"
|071||Photographer||Take a screenshot
|- style="background:#fff"
|072||New Manager||Expand the number of open slots for your party
|- style="background:#fff"
|073||Charismatic Executive||Reach the max number of open party slots
|- style="background:#fff"
|074||Pokémon Picross Master||Clear all puzzles in Standard Mode, Alt-World Mode, and Mural Mode
|- style="background:#fff"
|075||Unlucky||Try to use a reveal skill that fails
|- style="background:#fff"
|076||First Partners||Catch all first partner Pokémon from each region
|- style="background:#fff"
|077||Eevee Enthusiast||Catch all Pokémon evolved from Eevee
|- style="background:#fff"
|078||Ceaseless Bonds||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Latios, Latias
|- style="background:#fff"
|079||Modification Encounters||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Genesect, Mewtwo
|- style="background:#fff"
|080||Electrifying Cuteness||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Dedenne, Emolga, Pachirisu, Minun, Plusle
|- style="background:#fff"
|081||False Love||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Luvdisc, Sudowoodo
|- style="background:#fff"
|082||Clash in the Atmosphere||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Deoxys, Mega Rayquaza
|- style="background:#fff"
|083||Fairy Bonds||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Mega Diancie, Xerneas
|- style="background:#fff"
|084||Powerhouse||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Talonflame, Landorus, Garchomp, Mega Kangaskhan
|- style="background:#fff"
|085||Time Traveler||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Dialga, Celebi
|- style="background:#fff"
|086||Versatility||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Zoroark, Zorua, Ditto
|- style="background:#fff"
|087||Purrfect Helpers||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Meowstic, Espurr, Purrloin, Weavile, Meowth
|- style="background:#fff"
|088||Glee Club||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Meloetta, Altaria, Jigglypuff
|- style="background:#fff"
|089||Pikachu Fan Club||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Pichu, Raichu, Pikachu
|- style="background:#fff"
|090||First Tall Grass||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Fletchling, Bidoof, Zigzagoon, Poochyena, Hoothoot
|- style="background:#fff"
|091||Strange Road Trip||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Slakoth, Marshtomp, Quagsire, Slowbro, Psyduck
|- style="background:#fff"
|092||Flower Explosion||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Floette, Lilligant, Shaymin, Meganium, Venusaur
|- style="background:#fff"
|093||Monochrome Pokémon||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Pancham, Zekrom, Reshiram, Blitzle, Unown
|- style="background:#fff"
|094||Pearl and Oink||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Tepig, Clamperl
|- style="background:#fff"
|095||Brainiacs||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Uxie, Mewtwo, Metagross, Alakazam
|- style="background:#fff"
|096||Going Bananas||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Pansage, Infernape, Aipom
|- style="background:#fff"
|097||Foxy Faction||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Delphox, Fennekin, Zoroark, Zorua, Vulpix
|- style="background:#fff"
|098||Wild Fight||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Chimchar, Poochyena
|- style="background:#fff"
|099||Abnormal Weather||Clear a puzzle with the following Pokémon: Abomasnow, Mega Rayquaza, Groudon, Kyogre, Tyranitar
|- style="background:#fff"
|100||Perfect Medalist||Obtain all [other] medals
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" colspan="2" |
|}

==Gallery==
<gallery>
Pokémon Picross artwork.png|Artwork
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* A game titled {{OBP|Pokémon Picross|Game Boy Color}} was announced in various game magazines in spring 1999 for the [[Game Boy]] and [[Game Boy Color]], but was never released. It was developed by [[Jupiter Corporation]], the same developers of the [[Nintendo 3DS]] title.

==In other languages==
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==See also==
*[[List of Pokémon in Pokémon Picross]]

==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aQ_71Z5T0o Reveal trailer]
* [https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/6437256808824102623/6437256808824102626 North America Miiverse community]
* [https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/6437256808823778075/6437256808823778084 PAL region Miiverse community]
* [https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/6437256808824257159/6437256808824257165 Japan Miiverse community]
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Type

2016-01-10T05:25:16Z

HeroicJay: This probably just wasn't changed after ORAS introduced some new combos, but "List of type combinations by abundance" (and my own personal count) give 133 different combinations used.

{{samename|property of a Pokémon called type in [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]]|Pokémon category}}
{{Types|diamond|* 1}}
'''Types''' (Japanese: '''タイプ''' ''Type'') are properties for {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} and their [[move]]s. Each type has three properties: which types of Pokémon it is super effective against, which types of Pokémon it is not very effective against, and which types of Pokémon it is completely ineffective against. There are 18 types, each of which is listed to the right. During [[Generation I]], types were occasionally referred to as '''elements'''.

A Pokémon may have either one or two types. For instance, {{p|Charmander}} is a {{t|Fire}} type, while {{p|Bulbasaur}} is both a {{t|Grass}} type and a {{t|Poison}} type. With the current 18-type system, there are 324 possible ways to assign types to Pokémon, with 171 unique combinations. As of [[Generation VI]], 133 different type combinations have been used. [[Pokéstar Studios opponents]] can also have types.

All moves have only one assigned type. However, the moves {{m|Flying Press}} and {{m|Freeze-Dry}} have custom interactions with defending types that do not strictly match their assigned types.

Most [[Gym Leader]]s and members of the [[Elite Four]] are designed to have a [[Type expert|type-specific theme]].

==Type effectiveness==
If the type of a move used by a Pokémon is super effective against the opponent's type, then the damage done is twice the normal amount. However, if a move's type is not very effective against the opponent's type, the damage done is half the normal amount. If a move's type is completely ineffective against the opponent's type, the move will deal no damage.

For Pokémon that have two types, the overall damage is calculated against both types combined. For example:
* If a move's type is super effective against both of the opponent's types (such as {{m|Dig}}, a {{type|Ground}} move, used against an {{p|Aggron}}, a {{2t|Steel|Rock}} Pokémon), then the move does 4 times the damage.
* If a move's type is not very effective against both of the opponent's types (such as {{m|Wake-Up Slap}}, a {{type|Fighting}} move, used against a {{p|Sigilyph}}, a {{2t|Psychic|Flying}} Pokémon), then the move only does ¼ of the damage.
* If the move is super effective against one of the opponent's types but not very effective against the other (such as {{m|Razor Leaf}}, a {{type|Grass}} move, used against a {{p|Gyarados}}, a {{2t|Water|Flying}} Pokémon), then the move deals normal damage.
* If the move is completely ineffective due to one of the opponent's types, then the move does no damage, even if the opponent has a second type that would be vulnerable to it (as in {{m|Thunderbolt}}, an {{type|Electric}} move, used against a {{p|Quagsire}}, a {{2t|Water|Ground}} Pokémon).

Barring complete ineffectiveness (or the special effects of moves like {{m|False Swipe}}), a move will always do at least one [[HP]] damage. (In Generation I, there exists [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxNzPeLlPTU a glitch] where a move can deal zero HP of damage only if the target has two types that both resist the move, due to roundoff error and type effectiveness being applied only at the very end of damage calculation. Additionally, when this happens the game will erroneously report that the move missed the target entirely. In Generation V, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPPTz0sDZzU a similar glitch] also allows a move to deal zero HP of damage, since certain damage modifiers (such as {{m|Reflect}}) are applied after the damage is ensured to be at least 1.)

===Type chart===
A '''type chart''' shows which modifiers are applied to [[move]] types when attacking {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} of each type. Please note that this only covers single types, not pairs. To get a dual-type Pokémon's matchup against a specific move type, go across the table's columns to each of the types, see what the effectiveness of the move is against both, and multiply the effectiveness together: in this way a {{type|Flying}} move would hit for 4× damage on a {{2t|Bug|Grass}} Pokémon, while a {{type|Ground}} move used against the same would do only a quarter of its normal damage. (As noted above, a complete ineffectiveness against either type will make the move deal no damage, since 0 multiplied by any number is 0.)

The type chart differs depending on the [[generation]] of {{pkmn|games}} it is from.

[[Inverse Battle]]s essentially reverse this type chart, making immunities and resistances into weaknesses, and weaknesses into resistances.

{| class="roundy" style="border: 2px solid #111111; background:#555555; margin-right: 5px; margin-bottom: 5px"
|-
! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | ×
! colspan="18" style="{{roundytr|5px}} background:#4C4BA4" | Defending type
|-
! style="background:#{{normal color}}" | {{ic|Normal}}
! style="background:#{{fighting color}}" | {{ic|Fighting}}
! style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{ic|Flying}}
! style="background:#{{poison color}}" | {{ic|Poison}}
! style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{ic|Ground}}
! style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{ic|Rock}}
! style="background:#{{bug color}}" | {{ic|Bug}}
! style="background:#{{ghost color}}" | {{ic|Ghost}}
! style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{ic|Steel}}
! style="background:#{{fire color}}" | {{ic|Fire}}
! style="background:#{{water color}}" | {{ic|Water}}
! style="background:#{{grass color}}" | {{ic|Grass}}
! style="background:#{{electric color}}" | {{ic|Electric}}
! style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{ic|Psychic}}
! style="background:#{{ice color}}" | {{ic|Ice}}
! style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{ic|Dragon}}
! style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{ic|Dark}}
! style="background:#{{fairy color}}" | {{ic|Fairy}}
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! rowspan="18" style="background:#A44C4B" | A t t a c k i n g t y p e
! style="background:#{{normal color}}" | {{ic|Normal}}
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| style="background:#000000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{fighting color}}" | {{ic|Fighting}}
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#000000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{ic|Flying}}
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{poison color}}" | {{ic|Poison}}
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#000000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{ic|Ground}}
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#000000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{ic|Rock}}
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{bug color}}" | {{ic|Bug}}
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{ghost color}}" | {{ic|Ghost}}
| style="background:#000000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{ic|Steel}}
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{fire color}}" | {{ic|Fire}}
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{water color}}" | {{ic|Water}}
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{grass color}}" | {{ic|Grass}}
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{electric color}}" | {{ic|Electric}}
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#000000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{ic|Psychic}}
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#000000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{ice color}}" | {{ic|Ice}}
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{ic|Dragon}}
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#000000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 0×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{ic|Dark}}
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
|- style="text-align:center; background:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%"
! style="background:#{{fairy color}}" | {{ic|Fairy}}
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| style="background:#FF0000; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | ½×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| 1×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| style="background:#009900; color:#FFFFFF; font-size:90%" | 2×
| 1×
|-
| colspan="20" style="{{roundybottom|5px}}; background:#999999" | These matchups are suitable for {{color2|000000|Generation VI}}.
|}

This is the current type chart. For charts from before Generation VI, go to [[Type/Type chart]]

==Type-affected game mechanics==
All games before [[Generation IV]] also made [[damage category|a distinction]] between [[Physical move|physical]] and [[special move]]s based on their type. From Generation IV onward, this is dictated by the move itself.

When the type of an attack matches one of the types of the Pokémon using it, the attack power will be increased by 50%. This is referred to as [[same-type attack bonus]], or STAB for short. As an example, consider an {{p|Aron}} that knows the {{type|Steel}} {{m|Metal Claw}} and the {{type|Normal}} {{m|Cut}}. Both attacks are physical attacks and both have a base power of 50. However, because Aron is a {{2t|Steel|Rock}} Pokémon, the power of its Metal Claw move will have STAB applied, effectively making its power 75.

Some types of [[weather]], {{Abilities}}, and [[held item]]s affect moves of a certain type. {{m|Sunny Day}}, for example, causes {{type|Fire}} moves to increase in power, while {{a|Levitate}} causes {{type|Ground}} moves to not work on the Pokémon with this Ability. Likewise, each type has a [[Type-enhancing item|specific held item]] that can be given to a Pokémon that will power up one of the specific types by 20% (10% prior to Generation IV), such as the {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Metal Coat}}, which powers up {{type|Steel}} moves.

{{cat|moves that change a Pokémon's type|Some moves}} can change the type of a Pokémon. For example, {{m|Camouflage}} changes the user's type to a type corresponding to the battlefield terrain. Abilities can also change the type of a Pokémon. So far, the only such Abilities are {{a|Color Change}}, {{a|Multitype}}, and {{a|Protean}}.

==??? type==
{{main|??? (type)}}
The ??? type is the only type to have been removed from the [[core series]] games. The ??? type only existed from [[Generation II]] to [[Generation IV]], and was primarily used in the core series as the type of the move {{m|Curse}}. It was removed in [[Generation V]], and Curse became a {{type|Ghost}} move. Any damaging moves given the ??? type deal regular damage against all types, and any Pokémon given the ??? type takes regular damage against all moves.

==Shadow==
While not generally regarded as an actual type, in {{Pokémon XD}}, [[Shadow move]]s have their type listed as "------". [[Shadow Pokémon]] can be considered to be of this type, but they still retain their regular typing as well. In {{Pokémon XD}}, all Shadow moves are not very effective against Shadow Pokémon and super effective against non-Shadow Pokémon.

==Glitch types==
{{main|List of glitch types}}
There are several types which only appear through the use of glitches, such as on the types of [[glitch Pokémon]]. Most famously this includes the {{t|Bird}} type, which was intentionally programmed into the code of the Generation I and II games but was not given to any real Pokémon. Other glitch types are the result of the game reading other data as if it were types. Like the ??? type, all glitch types have no special effectiveness (they both inflict normal damage against all types and take normal damage from all types).

==Dual-type damage misinformation glitch==
{{main|List of glitches in Generation I#Dual-type damage misinformation|List of glitches in Generation I → Dual-type damage misinformation}}
In [[Generation I]] only, if a damaging move is used on a Pokémon with two types such that one of its types is weak to the move and the other type resists the move, it will correctly receive neutral damage, but the incorrect message will be displayed on-screen.

For example, {{type|Grass}} moves correctly do neutral damage to {{p|Gyarados}}, but if Gyarados is hit by a Grass-type move, the game erroneously states that the attack is "not very effective...".

The game prioritizes what message to display for each 'special' scenario (where normal damage is not dealt) based on their internal ordering within the game code. The higher ordering determines which message the game will display. In this case, Grass being coded to be super effective against Water is the 4th entry in the list, whilst Grass being not very effective against Flying is the 27th. Consequently, the latter message overrides the first, returning the wrong message "It's not very effective..."

This glitch does not occur in {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}.

If an attack is super effective or not very effective against one type and does no damage against another type (for example, {{m|Dig}} against {{p|Charizard}}), the game will erroneously state that the attack missed.{{fact}}

==In the TCG==
{{main|Type (TCG)}}

==See also==
* [[Type expert]]
* [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations]]
* [[List of type combinations by abundance]]
* [[:Category:Moves that change a Pokémon's type]]
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Talk:Magnemite (Pokémon)

2013-10-29T23:07:36Z

HeroicJay: /* The only ones to change type until Generation IV? */ new section

{{Rotating art}}
== Trivia ==

Magnemite's backsprites show two different types of top screw nut between Gen1-3 and Gen4. In Generation 4, it changes to a Philips head screw, while all previous depictions of it is a flathead screw. Is this notable enough to be considered trivia? [[User:RWMVG1DC|RWMVG1DC]] 21:16, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness ==

Shouldn't the "type effectiveness" box of Magnemite / Magneton be redone somewhat, since many of the original alignments before the release of Gen II have been overlooked in the notes below? eg. The Dragon-type hasn't been acknowledged as previously doing 1x damage, nor has the Fire-type's or Fighting-type's 1x effectiveness due to the lack of the Steel-type in Gen I. The existing type alignment notes are also rather disordered, when they could be more efficiently grouped into 1x and 0.5x.

[[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] 19:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll fix that... As for the 0.5× vs ½ thing... well, I'm absolutely certain that decimals would confuse people. I once had a guy ask me whether 0.6 or 0.5 was half. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Right, cool. Sorry, I meant 1/2x actually, not 0.5x; I didn't mean to differentiate between the two different ways of writing "one half", only to point out that they could be grouped as "normally effective" [1x] and "not very effective..." [1/2x] to make reading easier.
But thanks!

[[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] 20:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

"Magnemite's Generation II shiny sprite incorrectly shows the ends of the magnets being colored, unlike the further generation's sprites."

I'm just curious but was there a correct shiny version at the time of gen II's release or did the magnets having no color happen later? Just wondering --[[User:Riggins|Riggy (>0.0)>]] 02:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== BW2 Join Avenue Trick ==

This Pokemon has recently been the subject of a trick where everyone can trade Magnemite back and forth across the GTS to build up their Join Avenue, due to its early availability and ease to catch because of its Magnet Pull, Thunder Wave and Sonicboom. Really quite an impressive feat by those playing the game. Here's the method if you need more info http://wenette.tumblr.com/post/33519081336/pokemon-b-w2-guide-to-increase-your-join-avenue. Something for the trivia section? [[User:Tadzo|Tadzo]] ([[User talk:Tadzo|talk]]) 16:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

It's called the Magnemite Coil, and in addition to building the Join Avenue, it's also used as a means of exchanging Pokerus and items, might want to add that too. [[User:Dralcax|Dralcax]] ([[User talk:Dralcax|talk]]) 00:05, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

== The only ones to change type until Generation IV? ==

What changed type in Generation IV? I know Rotom's formes did in V... --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 23:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Torterra (Pokémon)

2013-10-27T18:04:33Z

HeroicJay: /* Trivia */ Empoleon does too. "Only one besides Empoleon" is kind of a lame piece of trivia.

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{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Torterra |
jname=ドダイトス |
tmname=Dodaitose |
art=DP |
size=230px |
pron=<sc>tor-te-rah</sc> |
ndex=389 |
sdex=003 |
abrow=054 |
obrow=141 |
typen=2 |
type1=Grass |
type2=Ground |
species=Continent |
height-ftin=7'03" |
height-m=2.2 |
weight-lbs=683.4 |
weight-kg=310.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Overgrow |
ability2= |
abilityd=Shell Armor |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2=Grass |
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gendercode=31 |
color=Green |
catchrate=45 |
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'''Torterra''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ドダイトス''' ''Dodaitose'') is a dual-type {{2t|Grass|Ground}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Grotle}} starting at [[level]] 32. It is the final form of {{p|Turtwig}}.

==Biology==
Torterra is a bulky quadruped Pokémon resembling a tortoise, with a large shell covering its back. There is a single, oak-like tree and three triangular, stony extensions resembling mountain peaks on the top of the shell. There is a patch of brown, resembling soil, next to the tree. A white rim surrounds the shell, and forms a diamond-shaped continuation on the front. Torterra's body appears sectioned, with the upper half being green and the lower half brown. Its mouth is jagged and at the end of its snout is a dark brown beak, giving it the appearance of a snapping turtle. Its lower jaw is green and there are two large spikes protruding from its cheeks. Torterra's small, red eyes and are encircled by a black ring. Its legs are thick and they have four toes each, which appear as if they are actually jagged stones. There are three toes on the front and one on the heel.

Torterra's large and clean shell supports the lives of many small Pokémon, which occasionally gather and {{wp|commensalism|build their nests upon the shell}}. Some are born and spend their entire life there. Torterra migrate in search of water, creating the illusion of "moving forests". However, it is typically immobile.

==In the anime==
[[File:Paul Torterra.png|250px|thumb|left|Torterra in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Paul's Torterra]]====
Torterra's debut appearance in the anime was in ''[[DP040|Top-Down Training]]'', where it was revealed to be [[Paul]]'s [[starter Pokémon]]. It later helped [[Ash's Grotle]] cope with its reduced {{stat|Speed}} in ''[[DP100|Aiding the Enemy]]''.

====[[Ash's Torterra]]====
Ash's Torterra debuted in ''[[DP166|The Fleeing Tower of Sunyshore!]]'' when his Grotle evolved.

====Other====
Torterra's first movie appearance was in ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', belonging to a {{pkmn|Coordinator}} named [[Maury]]. It battled against [[Ash's Pikachu]], and also tried to stop {{OBP|Darkrai|M10}}.

===Minor appearances===
A Torterra appeared in [[Alexa]]'s magazine in ''[[BW134|The Journalist from Another Region!]].''

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP040|Torterra|Ash's Pokédex|Torterra, the Continent Pokémon. Torterra is the final evolved form of {{p|Turtwig}}. Sometimes small Pokémon will gather to make their nests on Torterra's back.}}
{{Animedexbody|DP166|Torterra|Dawn's Pokédex|Torterra, the Continent Pokémon. Its large back and sanitary nature offer an ideal place for smaller Pokémon to build their nests.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Tru Torterra.png|thumb|Torterra in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{main|Tru}}
In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, {{adv|Diamond}} owns a {{p|Turtwig}} nicknamed Tru, which evolved into a {{p|Grotle}}, and then again into a Torterra fairly quickly (both times with [[Chimler]]). While it, just like in the games, did not lose speed upon either of its evolutions, it was never very fast to begin with, a trait duly noted since its Gym match with [[Crasher Wake]]'s {{p|Quagsire}}, where it was able to take the win with a powerful {{m|Giga Drain}}. After being returned to its rightful owner, it underwent training on [[Iron Island]] to overcome its speed loss by using a single, perfectly accurate {{m|Razor Leaf}} that is so fast that Diamond cannot even finish the attack order before it hits. Attesting much to the boy's childishness, he named it the "Razor Leaf Dia Special Mach One and Only".

===In the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure! manga===
Torterra is the final form of {{OBP|Jun|DPA}}'s [[starter Pokémon]], {{p|Turtwig}}. It made it debut in this form in ''[[DPA24|Hareta's Heart's Desire]]'', where it was easily beaten by [[Koya]]'s {{p|Absol}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Torterra (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=grass
|type2=ground
|gen=4
|diamonddex=Small Pokémon occasionally gather on its unmoving back to begin building their nests.
|pearldex=Groups of this Pokémon migrating in search of water have been mistaken for "moving forests."
|platinumdex=Some Pokémon are born on a Torterra's back and spend their entire life there.
|hgssdex=Ancient people imagined that beneath the ground, a gigantic Torterra dwelled.
|bwdex=Some Pokémon are born on a Torterra's back and spend their entire life there.
|b2w2dex=Some Pokémon are born on a Torterra's back and spend their entire life there.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=grass |
type2=ground|
gen=4 |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Grotle}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Grotle}} |
hgssex=pal|
hgssarea=[[Trade]] |
gen5ex=none |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Grotle}} |
b2w2ex=none |
b2w2area=[[Trade]]|
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Grass
|type2=Ground
|ranger2=[[Vien Forest]]
|md2=[[Starter Pokémon]] [[Mystifying Forest]] (B1-B13) [[Mystery Jungle]] (B1-B29)
|scramble=[[Silent Forest]]
|ranger3=[[Rand's House]]
|pokepark=[[Meadow Zone]]
|rumble2=Desert: [[Sunny Seashore]]
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=grass|type2=ground}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}}|Pokémon Center 15th Anniversary Torterra|Japanese|Japan|100|June 5 to 11, 2013; July 3 to 7, 2013|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Torterra}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=grass
|type2=ground
|event1=Choice Band|event1type=In-battle effect item|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=grass|
type2=ground |
HP= 95 |
Attack= 109 |
Defense=105 |
SpAtk= 75 |
SpDef= 85 |
Speed= 56 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Grass
|type2=Ground
|Speed=1
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=5
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=2
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=Grass|
type2=Ground|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 400 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100 |

notes=yes|
ground=yes|
newelectric=½}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Wood Hammer|Grass|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Withdraw|Water|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Absorb|Grass|Special|20|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|27|Mega Drain|Grass|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|32|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|39|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|45|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|51|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Leaf Storm|Grass|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Turtwig|grass|grass|5|4}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|079|Slowpoke}}{{MSP|080|Slowbro}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}|Amnesia|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Cute|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|131|Lapras}}{{MSP|143|Snorlax}}{{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}}{{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}}|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|304|Aron}} {{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|046|Paras}}{{MSP|047|Parasect}}{{MSP|069|Bellsprout}} {{MSP|070|Weepinbell}}{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|273|Seedot}} {{MSP|274|Nuzleaf}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|331|Cacnea}}{{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}} {{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}{{MSP|495|Snivy}}{{MSP|496|Servine}}{{MSP|497|Serperior}} {{MSP|546|Cottonee}}{{MSP|547|Whimsicott}}{{MSP|556|Maractus}}{{MSP|590|Foongus}}{{MSP|591|Amoonguss}}|Growth|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Beauty|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|443|Gible}}{{MSP|444|Gabite}}{{MSP|445|Garchomp}}|Sand Tomb|Ground|Physical|35|85|15|Smart|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|103|Exeggutor}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|286|Breloom}}|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15|Smart|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Spit Up|Normal|Special|—|100|10|Tough|2||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Stockpile|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Tough|0||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|158|Totodile}}{{MSP|159|Croconaw}}{{MSP|160|Feraligatr}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|455|Carnivine}}|Swallow|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|158|Totodile}}{{MSP|159|Croconaw}}{{MSP|160|Feraligatr}} {{MSP|246|Larvitar}}{{MSP|247|Pupitar}}{{MSP|248|Tyranitar}}|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}}|Tickle|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|258|Mudkip}}|Wide Guard|Rock|Status|—|—|10|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|102|Exeggcute}}{{MSP|187|Hoppip}}{{MSP|188|Skiploom}} {{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}}{{MSP|420|Cherubi}}{{MSP|421|Cherrim}}|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10|Beauty|2}}{{learnlist/breedf|Turtwig|grass|grass|4|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Block|Normal|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Frenzy Plant|Grass|Special|150|90|5||'''|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Grass Pledge|Grass|Special|50|100|10||'''|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Torterra|Grass|Ground|5|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=grass |
type2=ground |
ndex=389 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-12 |
iq=E |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Grass |
assist2=Grass |
field2=Tackle |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It attacks by scattering leaves and shooting seeds. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Grass |
assist3=Grass |
field3=Tackle |
field3power=4 |
browser3=It shoots leaves and grows vines to attack. |
rumble=yes|
rumbleattack=3|
rumbledefense=4|
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=3|
rumble2defense=4|
rumble2speed=3|
Pad=Torterra came to see the [[Meadow Zone]]. His favorite Attraction is {{DL|Attractions|Rhyperior's Bumper Burn}}! |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
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|name1=Turtwig
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|evotype1=Level
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|sprite2=388
|name2=Grotle
|type1-2=Grass
|evotype2=Level
|level2=32
|sprite3=389
|name3=Torterra
|type1-3=Grass
|type2-3=Ground}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
type2=ground|
gen=4|
gender=none|
ndex=389|
name=Torterra|
}}
====Other sprites====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; font-size: 80%; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{grass color}};"
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{grass color light}}; width:160px"| [[File:Spr 4p Torterra intro.png]]
|-
| Platinum intro's sprite
|}

==Trivia==
* Torterra shares the same [[species]] type with {{p|Groudon}}. Both of them are known as the Continent Pokémon.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Torterra.
* Torterra has the highest {{stat|Defense}} base stat and lowest {{stat|Speed}} base stat of all fully evolved [[starter Pokémon]].
* Torterra is the heaviest fully evolved main series starter Pokémon.
* When walking to the right in [[Amity Square]], Torterra's sprite shows the left side of Torterra, which is the opposite of how it should appear.
* Torterra is the [[List of Pokémon by weight|heaviest]] {{type|Grass}} Pokémon.

===Origin===
{{Bulbanews|On the Origin of Species: Turtwig, Grotle and Torterra}}
Torterra has aspects of a {{wp|snapping turtle}} and an {{wp|ankylosaurus}}, a species of armored dinosaur. It may also be based upon the {{wp|World Turtle}}s in various mythologies that carry worlds upon their backs, or perhaps the {{wp|Black Tortoise}} of various Asian myths. It also may be based on the {{wp|Cultural depictions of turtles and tortoises#Japan|minogame}}.

====Name origin====
Torterra is a combination of ''tortoise'' and ''terra'' (Latin for ''ground''). ''Terra'' may also refer to ''{{wp|terrapin}}s''. It also bears similarity to ''{{wp|tuatara}}'' (a type of lizard) and ''{{wp|totara}}'' (a type of tree), both native to {{pmin|New Zealand}}.

Dodaitose may be a combination of 土 ''do'' (earth or ground), 大 ''dai'' (large), and ''tortoise''. It may also involve 土台 ''dodai'' ({{wp|Foundation (engineering)|foundation}}).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=grass|type2=ground
|ja= ドダイトス ''Dodaitose''|jameaning=From {{tt|土 ''do''|earth or ground}}, {{tt|大 ''dai''|large}}, {{tt|土台 ''dodai''|foundation}} and ''tortoise''
|fr=Torterra|frmeaning=Same as English name
|es=Torterra|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Chelterrar|demeaning=From {{tt|''Chelonia''|Greek for turtle}} and ''{{tt|terra|Latin for 'earth'}}''
|it=Torterra|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=토대부기 ''Todaebugi''|komeaning=From {{tt|토 ''to''|Earth}}, {{tt|대 ''dae''|large}}, and {{tt|거북이 ''geobugi''|turtle}}
|zh_cmn=土台龜 / 土台龟 ''Tǔtáiguī''|zh_cmnmeaning=Can be taken as "Earth terrace tortoise".

}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Ash's Torterra]]
* [[Paul's Torterra]]
* [[Tru]]

==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | type=grass | type2=ground | prevnum=388 | nextnum=390 | prev=Grotle | next=Chimchar }}
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{{Project Pokédex notice}}

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User talk:HeroicJay

2013-09-10T16:25:52Z

HeroicJay: /* Edit Warring */ So this is now THREE times on my talk page I've been accused of things I didn't do?

Talk:Gender

2013-09-10T08:31:48Z

HeroicJay: /* Fine, don't include the "unofficial" chart, but... */

==Gender Based Evolutions==

Thanks for making Gender Based Evolutions more detailed, Fabu-Vinny! I thought it was important, but I couldn't seem to describe it well.
--[[User:Cai|Cai]] 06:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== First mention? ==

Of differences between genders. Rustboro Pokemon (Lazy again) Center, male kid on the left. Trivia? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:09 7 Jun 2008'''''
:"Just like people, there are male and female POKéMON. But no one seems to have any idea how they're different."
:That seems more of an explanation for why the world's inhabitants don't know how breeding works... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 10:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Seems to point the fact that before Gen IV there were no differences between genders, or maybe no one in the Pokémon world knows any of biology. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Larvitar ==

I'm pretty sure Larvitar is a female-only pokemon.{{unsigned|Retasulettuce}}
:Uh, you're wrong. No offense.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gender or Sex ==

Gender is ''not'' the same thing as sex. A gender implies identification with people of a certain sex, but not necessarily ''being'' that physical sex. The Pokémon here are physically of a certain sex or not, as are the male or female trainers. Thus, this page is discriminatory against transgendered individuals. If the game ever uses the word "gender", then this page shouldn't be moved. However, otherwise, it should be moved to "Sex". I know that some people have a irksome avoidance of usage of the terminology due to its [[Pokémon breeding|other meanings]], but in this case it is at the point of being discriminatory. If the games do actually use "Gender" in their own terminology, then it should be mentioned that when Pokémon says "Gender" it actually means "Sex", just like "[[Evolution]]" in Pokémon is a misnomer and is more related to concepts such as "Metamorphism". [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 22:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:You scientists and your wacky terminoligies... anyway, I'm 98% sure in-game it's referred to as gender. Besides, "genderless" sounds better than "sexless" [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''gar''']] 22:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Because Ditto's anything but. The game uses "gender" in the {{egg3|Gender unknown}} in Stadium 2. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::They also use "gender" in the Diamond & Pearl game guide by Nintendo Power:
:::"''When two Pokémon of opposite genders are left at the Pokémon Day Care at Solaceon Town, they may produce an Egg.''"- [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 22:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No one seems to have noticed the joke I made about Ditto... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I thought it was hilarious. Nearly laughed out loud-[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 22:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::I never actually understood Ditto... It is supposed to morph into the Pokémon it's using {{m|Transform}} on, so why does it somehow become the ''opposite'' gender to the other Pokémon you left with it... Shouldn't it become an exact copy of the Pokémon you left with it? - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 22:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sure we have better to do than talk about Pokémon.... intercourse. I can honestly see why this problem arose, and I have honestly wondered this myself. And that does make sense, why DOES Ditto become opposite gender? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 23:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
In battle does it copy genders?--[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::So far, it hasn't shown to gain a gender in battle (This could be due to a technical limitation, or the developers not thinking that players would even notice) However if it's making an exact physical copy of the Pokémon that Trasform is used on, it should ''logically'' also copy gender (or at the very least, the physical traits of gender) Anyhoo, we should probably take this to the forums since I think we're going a little past the actual subject at hand. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 23:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Or at the very least, Ditto's page.... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 23:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

So the games actually use the misnomer. Alright. Then a move isn't necessary. However, somewhere either near the top of the article, in a section "In relation to the real world" - as in the Evolution article, or in the trivia (least appropriate location of the three) it should mention that gender in Pokémon is really more akin to the real-world definition of {{wp|sex}} (not sexual intercourse, but the biological quality of an individual). It's not just science - and it's not about [[Pidgeotto (Pokémon)|pigeon-holing]] either - it's about not being discriminatory. I have transgendered friends. I know transexual individuals as well. They're different, and they prefer to be identified correctly, rather than being lumped together. It's like how we could say that that [[Dawn's Buneary]] is female, but it could actually be the other sex, and just identify with the female gender (note this is different than a suggestion that it is homosexual in liking [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]]). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:Look, the reason the games use the word "gender" is because it is a commonly accepted euphimism for biological "sex". '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Despite their differences, it’s not clear that Pokémon actually have sexes in a biological sense, and the term “gender” is consistently used in the canon. It’s not sufficient when talking about human characters, though... and I don’t think it is ever used to classify humans in the games, is it? Don’t the professors just ask if you are a boy or a girl? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 21:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== Gender Counterparts ==

Alright, I keep seeing the argument about Tauros/Miltank connection, but people keep using other examples, specificly Nidoran♂/Nidoran♀ and Volbeat/Illumise. Could someone please confirm the relations of the Pokémon with '''known''' genderal relations, suspected relations, and just plain similarities? '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
: The Nidos are OBVIOUSLY gender counterparts-they were gender counterparts before gender even existed! As for Volbeat,/Illumise, they happen to mention it in the Pokédex AND the anime. So your argument is invalid. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't get it, personally. When i saw the Tauros/Miltank mix... i got really confused. I mean, they don't look similar at all like the Nidorans and the Volbeat/Illumise. Tauros is a more realistic style compared to Miltank's cartoony look. And they're just... i don't see the relation at ALL. Okay, so one is a bull and one is a... cow. o_o Can someone give me a few valid arguements to help me out? I just don't see why anyone would think they're counterparts. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 06:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If you look at their availabilities, they are found in the same locations in GSCDPPt; and in DPPt their appearance rates are inverse of each other. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::::And the bull and cow thing... Pretty obvious... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Seems like a HUGE stretch to me... they're from different games, look completely different, and just... even if they happen to have similar locations, it's still weird. And Tauros is more of a wild bull than a steak bull. ._. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Heatran ==

As far as I know, Heatran is also a male-only Pokémon. [[User:Pandamonia|Pan]]·[[User:Pandamonia|da]]·[[User:Pandamonia|mo]]·[[User_talk:Pandamonia|ni]]·[[Special:Contributions/Pandamonia|a]] 02:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Male or female. --[[User:PsychicRider|PsychicRider]] [[User talk:PsychicRider|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|C]] 02:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Nidorans ==

Why are they listed as unofficial? Nidoran♀ can produce Nidoran♂ eggs, regardless of the compatible male she breeds with. I just confirmed it after several friends said they tested it before as well. A Nidoran♀ and a male Marowak produced a Nidoran♂ egg. I plan to test this will Volbeat and Illumise later as well. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 06:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's unofficial because they're not one "Nidoran" species but they are considered two species (diff Pokédex numbers, etc). [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well they do have the same name, sort of. I don't want this to turn into a canon, fanon, or semantics arguement, but I think the fact that a Nidoran♀ can produce a Nidoran♂ egg, even without breeding with a Nidoran♂/Nidorino/Nidoking, is enough to make it official. In a sense they are in the same Pokemon family line, like a split evolution, only the split occurs before the egg hatches. Either way, it shouldn't be grouped with Pokémon that are indeed wholly unrelated like Tauros and Miltank. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 01:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== Unofficial... ==

Yeah we need to use a different word. Illumise can make Volbeat eggs, and Latios and Latias are ''intentionally'' counterparts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:Egg relatives? I hate not having an official term. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 23:34, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::What did you have in mind?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I have rearranged things to take care of the Bug-types. I dunno what to do about the Lati@s, though, and “Egg relatives” wouldn’t cover them since they produce no eggs. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 21:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Gardevoir & Gallade; Glalie & Froslass. ==

They are currently in the same section as Lati@s, and not in the same as Mothim and Wormadam, despite evolving from the same species. Typo? Or is the game mechanic unofficial, somehow? --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 12:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think those families are unofficial because they have one member that can be either gender and one member that has a fixed gender. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::OK, that explains it. The word "unofficial" led me to think of disputed fan speculation, so it might be a confusing choice of word. Their relations are also a step more established than the Lati@s relation. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 14:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that the evolutions of Kirlia and Snorunt should be listed as "male and female counterparts" at all, unofficial or not. They are sets of Pokémon that evolve from the same species, one of which existed in Generation III with a 50-50 gender ratio, and one of which was introduced in Generation IV as an alternate, gender-specific evolution. I know it is mentioned in tiny print that Gardevoir and Glalie can be either gender, but with that being the case, why list them under the counterparts section as if they were a single-gendered Pokémon? You could say one was more feminine and one more masculine, but I don't see how they are "male and female counterparts" any more than Politoed and Poliwrath or Gorebyss and Huntail. If they were removed from the section I believe it would help to clear up some confusion within the fandom as well. [[User:Endeavor|Endeavor]] 00:11, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

== Lati ==

Why are the Lati in the unnofficial section? They are confirmed to be the same Pokemon, similar to the Nidoran & Volbeat/Illumise, the only reason they are in the No Eggs group is because they are legendary.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 18:19, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== lati@s ==

My friend is a real cheater and one time he used cheats to breed latias but the egg hatched into a latios!!
Is this a good fact to add? {{unsigned|Nickvang}}
:If it involves [[cheating]], it's not notable. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 15:59, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Both Pokemon are in the No eggs group, so they cannot breed. Though I do not know what would happen if Latias was given the ability to breed with cheats, if it could produce Latios eggs. (A reliable source really should check if this is possible) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::It's not really about cheats but about the game programming so it's perhaps notable. Nickvang 18:43 5 June 2011
::::From the article: "Latias have produced eggs containing Latios in the anime", so it would make sense since the two are related. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 16:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== Genderless ==

Would a list of genderless Pokémon be appropriate for this page? If not, will someone please link me to where said list is? [[User:Stmorawski|Stmorawski]] 22:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gender_unknown_(egg_group) Here's] a place to start. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

==Single Gender table==
Whats with the order of the female Pokemon in the Single-gender Pokémon table? Though the evo families are grouped together (makes sense), none are sorted by Dex number or alphabetically. Basically, the currently order is: Chansey family, Petilil family, Jynx family, Vespiquen, Kangaskhan and Cresselia. Is it meant to be like this? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== A main image? ==

I want to ask if anyone thinks it's a good idea to add a main image at the top of the page, because I've gotten two suggestions: we could use the 'Are you a boy. Or are you a girl?'-picture on the top, or maybe the picture at the bottom of this page: http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/downloads/. (However, there is some text in the latter picture, although I do think that there exists a version without it.) I also think that latter picture would be really usable because of the split of blue and pink to clearly indicate the picture is about genders. That way it would also indicate that this page is about genders. So does a main image for this page sound suitable or not? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds like a good idea. If we could find an image without without the text that would be preferable. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:53, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
::Foud it: http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-fun-zone/downloads/detail/all/empokemon-xem-and-empokemon-yem-heroes-wallpaper/. However, it still has the 'Pokémon Xtm Pokémon Ytm'. Is that a problem, or should someone try to edit it by using both images? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 20:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Editing it out won't work I noticed. However, I don't think the X and Y will be a problem, as we could simply state ''Boy-Girl' artwork from Pokémon X and Y'. So would anybody be nice enough to upload the file to the Archives, please? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 18:49, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

== Petilil and Cottonee ==

Could Petilil/Lilligant and Cottonee/Whimsicott be added as unofficial counterparts with them asterisked to indicate it can be either gender--like Gardevoir and Gallade, for example. [[User:Griffindaly|griffindaly]] ([[User talk:Griffindaly|talk]]) 20:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
:They are (essentially, even though not literally) version counterparts, but they are not gender counterparts, so they do not belong on this page. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

== Fine, don't include the "unofficial" chart, but... ==

Miltank, Tauros, Gallade, Froslass, Rufflet, Braviary, Vullaby, and Mandibuzz are now ''not on the list of mono-gender Pokémon at all''. Gee, what a stunning improvement. </sarcasm> If they're not on their own chart, they belong in one of the other charts. And given that I come from a Wiki where consensus is the be-all and end-all and there is no visible consensus for removal, who is to blame me for reverting their removal? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 22:43, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
: PS. And I, not Pumpkinking, was blamed for edit warring. I, who reverted ''once''. Not Pumpkinking, who reverted my reversion. I wasn't even given a chance to respond before being blamed. This Wiki has a massive problem with insularity, as this shows. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 22:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
::As I've said on my talk page, I was not aware that the mono-gender list does not already list all Pokemon regardless of whether they are listed elsewhere on the page, and I feel this is a mistake; also, there is a consensus against fanon for Bulbapedia as a whole (excluding the Appendix and Shipping namespaces), so each individual issue doesn't need a separate consensus on it. Finally, I did not revert you. TheOriginalOne did, then 0danmaster restored the section, and I reverted 0danmaster. In my personal opinion, this was not an edit war because no party reverted multiple times in a row, but I'll let the mods handle it as they will.
::The mono-gender table looks ugly anyway, so I'll draft up a new version of it in my userspace and request an admin put it in at their soonest convenience. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:56, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
:::For the record, [[User:Pumpkinking0192/Gender table|this is my draft]], and I've asked {{u|G50}} on her talk page because she was the one who protected the article. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:29, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
::::Okay, sorry for jumping to conclusions a bit, I did not notice there had been another reversion in there. (For the record, though, 0danmaster wasn't warned about edit warring either; only I was, though if there was a war it was in RESPONSE to my edit.) Aspects of the old chart were questionably fanon (well, Rufflet/Vullaby was a reach, version counterparts or no) but fine, my main concern was the loss of the information in its entirety - if I had noticed the re-reversion without the page getting locked, I'd have given up and thrown them into the lower chart, which would have completely pre-empted any edit war. A lot of my reaction is that I do ''not'' like being accused of something I did not do, and this isn't the first time accusations of things I did not do have been thrown my way on this Wiki. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 08:25, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
::::PS. Forgot to say: But I shouldn't have taken it out on you since you didn't make that accusation, so again, sorry. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 08:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

User talk:HeroicJay

2013-09-10T08:26:28Z

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2013-09-10T08:25:07Z

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2013-09-09T22:43:03Z

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== And what about all the Pokémon you removed? ==

So you removed the "unofficial" list of single-gender counterparts from the [[Gender]] page. I'll ignore the fact that I think it was a mistake for now and instead ask: Okay, so now where are Tauros, Miltank, Gallade, Froslass, Rufflet, Braviary, Vullaby, and Mandibuzz on the page now? And why does the next section talk about Pokémon with no official "or unofficial" counterparts? You "corrected" the page by removing relevant information, ''which is true even if you think that the "unofficial" counterparts don't belong on the page'', since the page still has a list of mono-gender Pokémon that is now woefully incomplete. Combining this with the apparent lack of consensus (I frequent another Wiki where consensus is the be-all and end-all) and can you blame me for reverting? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 22:40, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

User talk:HeroicJay

2013-09-09T22:36:50Z

HeroicJay: /* Edit Warring */

Gender

2013-09-09T16:46:34Z

HeroicJay: That was a very sloppy removal. I disagree with the removal in the first place, but if you're going to remove it, don't forget to put the Pokemon BACK on the page and change all the surrounding text!

'''Gender''' is a concept introduced in [[Generation II]], though touched upon in [[Generation I]]. In {{2v|Gold|Silver}}, [[:Category:Genderless Pokémon|most species]] were assigned a gender (male or female), and then, in {{game|Crystal}}, a choice of male or female [[player character]]s became available for the first time. This feature allowed for [[Pokémon breeding]], as well as introducing the concept of a [[Pokémon Egg]] to the series. Gender makes no difference in the stats of a Pokémon after Generation II, unless the two Pokémon are a different species entirely, such as Nidoran.

==Pokémon==
===Related species===
====Nidoran====
The Nidoran family is a special case in terms of gender. Introduced in [[Generation I]], before gender was known for all Pokémon, {{p|Nidoran♀}} and {{p|Nidoran♂}} are considered separate species of Pokémon and indeed have many differences, from appearance to moveset. However, Nidoran♀ and Nidoran♂ Eggs have a 50/50 chance of hatching into either Nidoran♀ or Nidoran♂, confirming that they are related.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}}"
|-
! style="background:#0070f8; {{roundytl|5px}};" | Male
! style="background:#e82010; {{roundytr|5px}};" | Female
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:032.png]] {{p|Nidoran♂}}
| [[file:029.png]] {{p|Nidoran♀}}
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:033.png]] {{p|Nidorino}}
| [[File:030.png]] {{p|Nidorina}}
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:034.png]] {{p|Nidoking}}
| [[File:031.png]] {{p|Nidoqueen}}
|-
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color light}}; color: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundybottom|5px}};" |
|}

====Other====
In a manner similar to Nidoran, Eggs produced by Illumise may hatch into Volbeat. While Latias and Latios are in the {{egg2|Undiscovered}} in the games, likely due to being [[legendary Pokémon]], Latias have produced Eggs containing {{OBP|Latios|M05}} in the anime, confirming that they are related. Mothim and Wormadam evolve from male- and female-gendered members of {{p|Burmy|the same species}}.
{| align="center" style="background: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}}"
|-
! style="background:#0070f8; {{roundytl|5px}};" | Male
! style="background:#e82010; {{roundytr|5px}};" | Female
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:313.png]] {{p|Volbeat}}
| [[File:314.png]] {{p|Illumise}}
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:381.png]] {{p|Latios}}
| [[File:380.png]] {{p|Latias}}
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:414.png]] {{p|Mothim}}
| [[File:413.png]] {{p|Wormadam}}
|-
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color light}}; color: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundybottom|5px}};" |
|}

====Unofficial counterparts====
Gender also allowed for many Pokémon to have unofficial male and female counterparts, as demonstrated below.
{| align="center" style="background: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}}"
|-
! style="background:#0070f8; {{roundytl|5px}};" | Male
! style="background:#e82010; {{roundytr|5px}};" | Female
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:128.png]] {{p|Tauros}}
| [[File:241.png]] {{p|Miltank}}
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:475.png]] {{p|Gallade}}
| [[File:282.png]] {{p|Gardevoir}}*
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:362.png]] {{p|Glalie}}*
| [[File:478.png]] {{p|Froslass}}
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:627.png]] {{p|Rufflet}}
| [[File:629.png]] {{p|Vullaby}}
|- align="center" valign="bottom" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| [[File:628.png]] {{p|Braviary}}
| [[File:630.png]] {{p|Mandibuzz}}
|- align="center" valign="bottom"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color}}; {{roundybottom|5px}};" | <nowiki>*</nowiki>Can be either gender 
|}

===Gender differences===
{{main|List of Pokémon with gender differences}}
[[Generation IV]] premiered minimal differences in sprite between two Pokémon of the same species. For example, a male {{p|Raichu}} will have the full tail seen in previous games, while the female is missing the very tip of it.

===Gender-based evolution===
Some Pokémon [[evolution]]s can only be obtained if they are of a certain gender:
*Female {{p|Combee}} evolve into {{p|Vespiquen}} at level 21. Male Combee never evolve.
*At level 20, female {{p|Burmy}} will evolve into {{p|Wormadam}} and male Burmy evolve into {{p|Mothim}}.
*Only male {{p|Kirlia}} can evolve into {{p|Gallade}}.
*Only female {{p|Snorunt}} can evolve into {{p|Froslass}}.

===Single-gender Pokémon===
Several Pokémon are also only of one gender, yet do not have an official ''or'' unofficial counterpart of the other, though {{p|Cresselia}} has a {{p|Darkrai|genderless counterpart}}.

{| style="background: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundy}}; margin:auto; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Pokémon
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | Gender
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | Pokémon
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | Gender
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | Pokémon
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | Gender
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | Pokémon
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Gender
|- style="background:#fff; text-align:center"
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:440.png]] {{p|Happiny}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:238.png]] {{p|Smoochum}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:236.png]] {{p|Tyrogue}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#0070f8" | ♂
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:539.png]] {{p|Sawk}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#0070f8" | ♂
|- style="background:#fff; text-align:center"
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:113.png]] {{p|Chansey}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:124.png]] {{p|Jynx}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:106.png]] {{p|Hitmonlee}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#0070f8" | ♂
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:641.png]] {{p|Tornadus}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#0070f8" | ♂
|- style="background:#fff; text-align:center"
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:242.png]] {{p|Blissey}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:416.png]] {{p|Vespiquen}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:107.png]] {{p|Hitmonchan}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#0070f8" | ♂
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:642.png]] {{p|Thundurus}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#0070f8" | ♂
|- style="background:#fff; text-align:center"
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:548.png]] {{p|Petilil}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:115.png]] {{p|Kangaskhan}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:237.png]] {{p|Hitmontop}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#0070f8" | ♂
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:645.png]] {{p|Landorus}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#0070f8" | ♂
|- style="background:#fff; text-align:center"
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:549.png]] {{p|Lilligant}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:488.png]] {{p|Cresselia}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#e82010" | ♀
| style="vertical-align:bottom" | [[File:538.png]] {{p|Throh}}
| style="font-size: 300%; color:#0070f8" | ♂
|-
| colspan="6" style="background:#{{normal color light}}; color: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundybottom|5px}};" |
|}

==In battle==
===Moves===
This is a list of moves that are dependent on gender:
{{movelist/battle-head|Cute}}
{{movelist/battle|2|Attract|Status|Cute|—|100|15|anyadjacent|If it is the opposite gender of the user, the target becomes infatuated and less likely to attack.}}
{{movelist/battle|4|Captivate|Status|Beauty|—|100|20|anyadjacent|If it is the opposite gender of the user, the target is charmed into harshly lowering its Sp. Atk stat.}}
{{movelist/battle-foot|Beauty}}

===Abilities===
This is a list of Abilities that are dependent on gender:

{| align="center" width="70%" class="roundy sortable" style="background:#{{cute color}}; border: 2px solid #{{cute color dark}};"
|-
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytl|8px}}" | Gen
! style="background:#{{cute color light}};" | Ability
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; {{roundytr|8px}}" class="unsortable" | Description
|- align="center"
! width="30px" style="background:#{{hoenn color}}; border: 1px solid #{{hoenn color dark}};" | '''III'''
| width="100px" style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8;" | {{acolor|Cute Charm|000}}
| align="left" style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8;" | Contact with the Pokémon may cause infatuation.
|- align="center"
! width="30px" style="background:#{{sinnoh color}}; border: 1px solid #{{sinnoh color dark}};" | '''IV'''
| width="100px" style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8;" | {{acolor|Rivalry|000}}
| align="left" style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8;" | Deals more damage to a Pokémon of same gender.
|- class="unsortable"
! colspan="3" style="background:#{{beauty color light}}; {{roundybottom|8px}}" | All details are accurate to Generation V games. For details that have changed between generations, please see an individual Ability's page.
|}

==Trainers==
[[File:BW player selection English.png|thumb|Choosing to play as {{ga|Hilbert|male}} or {{ga|Hilda|female}} in [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black and White]]]]
Starting in {{game|Crystal}}, {{player}}s were given the option of choosing to play as a boy or girl Trainer at the start of the game. Since then, every game in the main series has included that choice.

{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}};"
|-
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}};" | Game
! style="background:#0070f8" | Male
! style="background:#e82010; {{roundytr|5px}};" | Female
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
! style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{crystal color}};" | {{color2|{{crystal color dark}}|Pokémon Crystal Version|C}}
| [[File:Spr C Ethan.png]] {{ga|Ethan}}
| [[File:Spr C Kris.png]] {{ga|Kris}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{ruby color}};" | '''{{color2|FFF|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|R}}'''
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr RS Brendan.png]] {{ga|Brendan}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr RS May.png]] {{ga|May}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{sapphire color}};" | '''{{color2|FFF|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|S}}'''
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{FireRed color}};" | '''{{color2|{{FireRed color dark}}|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FR}}'''
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr FRLG Red.png]] {{ga|Red}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr FRLG Leaf.png]] {{ga|Leaf}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{LeafGreen color}};" | '''{{color2|{{LeafGreen color dark}}|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LG}}'''
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{emerald color}};" | '''{{color2|{{emerald color dark}}|Pokémon Emerald Version|E}}'''
| [[File:Spr E Brendan.png]] {{ga|Brendan}}
| [[File:Spr E May.png]] {{ga|May}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{diamond color}};" | '''{{color2|{{diamond color dark}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|D}}'''
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr DP Lucas.png]] {{ga|Lucas}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr DP Dawn.png]] {{ga|Dawn}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{pearl color}};" | '''{{color2|{{pearl color dark}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|P}}'''
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{platinum color}};" | '''{{color2|{{platinum color dark}}|Pokémon Platinum Version|Pt}}'''
| [[File:Spr Pt Lucas.png]] {{ga|Lucas}}
| [[File:Spr Pt Dawn.png]] {{ga|Dawn}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{HeartGold color}};" | '''{{color2|{{HeartGold color dark}}|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HG}}'''
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr HGSS Ethan.png]] {{ga|Ethan}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr HGSS Lyra.png]] {{ga|Lyra}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{SoulSilver color}};" | '''{{color2|{{SoulSilver color dark}}|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SS}}'''
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{black color}};" | '''{{color2|{{black color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|B}}'''
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr BW Hilbert.png]] {{ga|Hilbert}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr BW Hilda.png]] {{ga|Hilda}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{white color}};" | '''{{color2|{{white color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|W}}'''
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{black 2 color}};" | '''{{color2|{{black 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|B2}}'''
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Nate.png]] {{ga|Nate}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Spr B2W2 Rosa.png]] {{ga|Rosa}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{white 2 color}};" | '''{{color2|{{white 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|W2}}'''
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{x color}};" | '''{{color2|{{black 2 color dark}}|Pokémon X and Y|X}}'''
| rowspan="2" | [[File:X Y Calem.png|x70px]] {{ga|Calem}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:X Y Serena.png|x70px]] {{ga|Serena}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{y color}};" | '''{{color2|{{y color dark}}|Pokémon X and Y|Y}}'''
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}; color: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundybottom|5px}};" |
|}

===In side games===
Many [[Spin-off Pokémon games|side games]] in the Pokémon franchise allow the player to choose between a male or female [[player character]] as well.

{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}};"
|-
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}};" | Game
! style="background:#0070f8" | Male
! style="background:#e82010; {{roundytr|5px}};" | Female
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{TCG Trainer color}};" | '''{{color2|{{TCG Trainer color dark}}|Pokémon Card GB2: Here Comes Team GR!|Pokémon Card GB2}}'''
| [[File:TCG1 Mark.png]] [[Mark]]
| [[File:TCG2 Mint.png]] [[Mint]]
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; vertical-align:bottom;"
| style="vertical-align:middle; background:#{{ranger color}};" | '''{{color2|{{ranger color dark}}|Pokémon Ranger (game)|Pokémon Ranger}}'''
| [[File:Ra Lunick f.png]] [[Lunick]]
| [[File:Ra Solana f.png]] [[Solana]]
|-
| style="background:#{{SoA color}};" | '''{{color2|{{SoA color dark}}|Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia}}'''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}};" | [[File:Soa Kellyn ra f.png]] [[Kellyn]]
| style="background:#{{normal color light}};" | [[File:Soa Kate ra f.png]] {{OBP|Kate|Ranger}}
|-
| style="background:#{{GS color}};" | '''{{color2|{{GS color dark}}|Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs}}'''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}};" | [[File:Gs Ben f.png]] {{ra|Ben}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}};" | [[File:Gs Summer f.png]] {{ra|Summer}}
|-
| style="background:#f9e586" | '''{{color2|807544|Pokémon Conquest|Pokémon Conquest}}'''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}};" | [[File:Conquest Hero I icon.png]] [[Hero]]
| style="background:#{{normal color light}};" | [[File:Conquest Heroine I icon.png]] [[Heroine]]
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}; color: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundybottom|5px}};" |
|}

==Trivia==
[[File:Nidogender.png|thumb|250px|right|Nidoran♀ and Nidoran♂ show genders twice in [[Generation II]], but only once in [[Generation III]] onward]]
* In Generation II, a Pokémon's gender was determined through its Attack [[Individual values|IV]]. Due to this, unless a Pokémon was a member of an all-female species, such as Nidoran♀ and Smoochum, it could never have a maximized Attack stat, as female Pokémon were given the lower half of the IV range. This also caused the inability for a female Pokémon of a {{cat|Pokémon with a gender ratio of seven males to one female|species with a gender ratio of seven males to one female}}—like the [[starter Pokémon]] and {{p|Eevee}}—to be {{Shiny}}, due to that ''also'' running partly off of the Attack IV. In [[Generation III]] this was addressed, with IVs no longer determining either of these, allowing for Pokémon species with two genders to have females with maximized Attack and simultaneously retain its chances of being Shiny.
* Although its English and [[List of French Pokémon names##102 - #151 Exeggcute - Mew|French]] names suggest that it is exclusively male, {{p|Mr. Mime}} may be of either gender. This is due to the fact that it was given its name prior to the introduction of gender to the series.
** Similarly, {{p|Gardevoir}} and {{p|Glalie}} can be either gender, even though each has a single-gender counterpart
* Since {{p|Azurill}} has a different gender ratio than {{p|Marill}} and {{p|Azumarill}}, one in three female Azurill will be male after evolving into Marill, dependent on the [[personality value]] of the Azurill in question.
* In the international versions of Generation II, due to how the battlefield display is programmed, Nidoran♂ and Nidoran♀ have their gender icon shown twice, once in their name, and once after the level. This does not occur in the Japanese and Korean games, however, as the gender icon was present after ''all'' Pokémon's names due to the shorter character limit there. This was addressed in all later generations, which prevent the gender icon from showing up when an un-nicknamed Nidoran of either gender is on the field.

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Generation V

2013-08-21T21:04:45Z

HeroicJay: No, it's the shortest in America. It's second to the second gen in Japan. Again: second gen was three years to the day in Japan, while the fifth three years and a month.

{{GenInfo
|titlescreen={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0=Black|1=White|2=Black2|3=White2}}
|primary={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=Black|1=Black 2}}
|secondary={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=White|1=White 2}}
|pair2={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0={{v2|Black and White|s|2}}|1={{v2|Black and White|s}}}}
|region=Unova
|ndex=649
|debuten=March 4, 2011
|debutjp=September 18, 2010
|enden= October 12, 2013
|endjp= October 12, 2013
}}

The '''fifth generation''' of Pokémon is the fifth installment of the Pokémon series. Like previous generations, the first installments, {{game|Black and White|s}}, were released as a pair. However, unlike previous generations, the games were followed by two sequels—{{game|Black and White|s|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2|2}}—instead of a third version. For the first time since [[Generation]]s {{gen|I}} and {{gen|II}} (following the internal identification of {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} rather than the advertised console), the games were released on the same platform as [[Generation IV|the previous generation]]'s main series titles, in this case the [[Nintendo DS]].

[[Unova]], the new [[region]] introduced in this generation, is known to be far away from the regions of previous generations. Unlike the past four, Unova is based on an area outside of {{wp|Japan}}, drawing inspiration from the {{wp|New York City metropolitan area}}.

The Generation V games are able to communicate with the five [[Generation IV]] games in the same way that the [[Generation III]] games can communicate with the Generation IV games, with players able to transfer Pokémon via a method similar to [[Pal Park]]. Pokémon caught in a Generation III game are able to move forward to Generation V by passing through Generation IV games.

Black and White occur an unknown amount of time after [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]]. The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Machine Part}} makes a {{wp|cameo appearance}}, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. [[Cynthia]] mentions visiting the [[Distortion World]] and being defeated by a {{ga|Lucas|young}} {{ga|Dawn|Trainer}} as [[Sinnoh]] League {{pkmn|Champion}}.

Black 2 and White 2 occur two years after the events of Black and White.

==Advances in gameplay==
Being the first games on the same console as their predecessors since [[Generation II]], the Generation V games enhance the Pokémon experience on the DS in several ways. Advancements introduced in Generation V include:
* The addition of 156 {{cat|Generation V Pokémon|new Pokémon}}, bringing the total to 649. No new evolutions of previous Pokemon are introduced, and (in the first pair of games only) no Pokémon from previous generations can be caught in Unova itself until after the [[National Pokédex]] is obtained.
* The addition of 92 new [[move]]s, bringing the total to 559.
* The addition of 41 new [[Ability|Abilities]], bringing the total to 164. Many older Pokémon are allowed to have new Abilities, including some that were introduced in [[Generation III]] and [[Generation IV]], by transferring them from the {{pkmn|Dream World}}. This effectively gives most Pokémon three legitimate abilities, rather than the two which have been standard since Generation III.
* Yet another region to explore, the [[Unova]] region, far away from the previous four and based on {{wp|New York City}}, rather than a region of Japan.
* A new [[Villainous teams|villainous team]], [[Team Plasma]], whose goals include separating the worlds of Pokémon and humans to make a black and white world.
* [[Triple Battle]]s and [[Rotation Battle]]s are now a part of gameplay, which are variations of battling like [[Double Battle]]s.
* The introduction of the [[Wonder Launcher]], a new battle mode which can stack with double, triple and Rotation Battles.
* The introduction of {{DL|Tall grass|dark grass}}, where Double Battles against [[wild Pokémon]] can occur.
* The introduction of [[Phenomenon|phenomena]], occurrences which involve wild Pokémon or items moving and making sounds to indicate their position, somewhat similar to the [[Poké Radar]].
* The introduction of [[seasons]], which alternate every month.
* Expanded variance in camera placement, making the cities and towns of Unova more realistic and lifelike. There are also curves in places like [[Castelia City]], [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and the [[Skyarrow Bridge]].
* The [[Poké Mart]] is now combined with the [[Pokémon Center]].
* Introduction of the [[Entralink]], which allows players to visit each other in-game in Black and White, rather than just inside of the [[Union Room]] or [[the Underground]].
* The new [[Pokémon Global Link]], which allows players to connect their games to the internet to view statistics or download some changes to the games, such as the design of the [[Pokédex]]. This also grants players access to the [[Pokémon Dream World]], where players may befriend Pokémon and send them over to their games.
* [[Weather conditions]] and the current [[time]] are now displayed on the bottom screen during battle when making selections as to what to do during the turn.
* One new variant of [[Poké Ball]], the {{DL|Poké Ball|Dream Ball}}, retaining the 25 found in previous games.
** The [[Apricorn]] Poké Balls and the {{DL|Poké Ball|Sport Ball}} are inaccessible without hacking and do not function as Poké Balls even if acquired; however, Pokémon caught in these Poké Balls in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} retain them when sent to a Generation V game.
* Pokémon battle sprites now animate constantly, rather than simply animating upon exiting a [[Poké Ball]] as in previous generations. These animations are reminiscent of those of {{game|Crystal}}, rather than the two-sprite distortion method that has been the standard since {{game|Emerald}}. The speed at which Pokémon move slows as the {{stat|HP}} goes down and with most [[status ailment]]s ({{status|frozen}} Pokémon do not move at all).
* When a Pokémon is affected by a status ailment, in addition to slowing movement, it also glows a color depending on the status ailment. {{status|Sleep}} does not have a color, but uses a different sprite that depicts the Pokemon with its eyes closed.
* The back sprites of Pokémon show the Pokémon's body in full, with their poses and animations being the same as the front sprite, but as seen from behind.
** This enables dynamic camera movements during battle, e.g. it can zoom in or out and focus on specific Pokemon as the battle progresses.
* The battle music changes under certain conditions. When one of the player's Pokémon on the battlefield has less than 25% of their HP, the music changes to a faster, more suspenseful music. When battling a [[Gym Leader]]'s last Pokémon, the music also changes.
* The overworld music also changes in certain circumstances. Almost all the routes now have instruments that differ between the seasons, and layers that activate and deactivate when the player walks or stops, respectively; while music that plays in some towns and cities have layers that can be added by talking to citizens. These people can be seen playing different musical instruments like piano, guitar, etc.
* In the Japanese version of the game, the option to display {{wp|kanji}} in game menus and text is available, in addition to {{wp|hiragana}} and {{wp|katakana}} as in the previous four generations.
* In international versions of the game, Pokémon names are displayed with only one capital letter, rather than having all capital letters, as it was prior to Generation V.
* The number of boxes in the [[Pokémon Storage System]] has been increased from 18 to 24. However, players only start with 8 boxes. Additional space is available once the player has placed one captured Pokémon in each of the 8 boxes, then receiving an additional 8 boxes for storage, bringing the total to 16. This cycle continues until the player finally has 24 boxes, for a storage total of 720 Pokémon.
* [[TM]]s have expanded from 92 to 95. Many of the 92 TMs found in Generation IV contain different moves.
** In addition, TMs now have infinite uses, like [[HM]]s.
*** To prevent repeated usage of TMs for the purpose of PP restoration, when a Pokémon forgets a move in order to learn from a TM or HM, the move learned takes on the current {{PP}} of the move replaced (up to its own maximum).
* The number of HMs has been reduced from eight to six. The first four remain the same as during the first four generations; HM05 is now {{m|Waterfall}} and HM06 is now {{m|Dive}}.
* The [[trade|trading]] process has been upgraded: players may now trade Pokémon directly from their [[PC]] boxes, without having to place offered Pokémon in their party first. The [[Global Terminal]] also allows players to trade using this method. Furthermore, players can trade outside of the [[Pokémon Center]] via [[infrared]].
* The expansion of key item registration: Multiple items, and even several menu screens, may be registered simultaneously. Pressing the Y button now brings up a quick access menu of the registered commands.
* While the framerate for the overworld is still 30, the framerate has been increased to 60 for battles, the title screen, and 2D menus. However, the opening only has a framerate of 15.
* When Pokémon are sent out, there is a sound effect and visual effect as they land which varies depending on the [[List of Pokémon by weight|weight]] of the Pokémon (unless it's a Pokémon that stays airborne like {{p|Hydreigon}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}} or {{p|Goldeen}}; or it is {{p|Diglett}} or {{p|Dugtrio}}).
===Alterations from Generation IV===
* The abandonment of [[Pokémon Contest]]s and the [[Pokéathlon]] in favor of the [[Pokémon Musical]], a different type of competition which does not factor in a Pokémon's moves.
* [[Seal]]s and [[Ball Capsule]]s are no longer available for use on [[Poké Ball]]s.
* The {{type|???}} does not exist in this generation. {{m|Curse}} is now a {{type|Ghost}} move.
* {{p|Rotom}}'s appliance forms are now no longer {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon; instead, they are {{t|Electric}} and the type of their special move.
* Pokémon in the [[party]] can no longer [[walking Pokémon|follow the player outside of battle]] in [[Amity Square|any point of the game]].
* The abandonment of encounter rate differences based on the [[time]] of day.
* The option to have the [[Running Shoes]] on at all times, as in HeartGold and SoulSilver, has been removed.
* In the {{DL|Pokémon Center|Wireless Club 2|Wi-Fi Club}}, there is no longer an option to set all Pokémon at level 100.
* Items are displayed in a list format rather than the six-cell pages that were seen in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
* [[Mixing records]] is no longer a feature.
* The persistent bottom-screen menu from {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} is no longer present, as that screen now displays the [[C-Gear]]. The menu is brought up on the touch screen in the same way, though, with X.
* The way some [[key items]] are used, such as the Dowsing Machine, has been altered.
* {{status|Poison}} no longer inflicts damage outside the battle.
* [[Badge]]s are no longer necessary in order to use [[HM]] {{OBP|field move|main series}}s.
* The Elite Four no longer have to be battled in a set order.
* [[Shiny Pokémon]] no longer sparkle if they break out of a Poké Ball.
* Many Pokémon have their experience yield changed, which is no longer limited to 255.
* In the [[Vs. Recorder#Browse Mode|Vs. Recorder's Browse Mode]], it is no longer possible to change the interface's color to the previous color in the line by tapping the left border of the touch screen. Tapping either border will change it to the next color in the sequence.
* [[Nintendo DSi]] systems connected to an Internet router requiring the "advanced setup" option are now compatible with online features, such as the [[Global Terminal]].
* Battle-only forms, such as {{p|Cherrim}}'s {{DL|Form differences|Cherrim|Sunshine Form}} or {{p|Castform}}'s {{DL|Form differences|Castform|weather forms}} use now their own minisprites, rather than using default form's minisprite. Additionally, Sunshine's form minisprite is different than the one used in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
* The HP bar now empties as soon as the move animation ends, simultaneous to the animation of the Pokémon's body "blinking" between visible and invisible. Previously, the HP bar did not empty until after the "blinking" animation was finished. Additionally in Double Battles (and Triple Battles) when move hits multiple targets, the HP bar now empties for all Pokémon at once rather one by one - due to this, messages have been changed to include the Pokémon (eg. ''A critical hit on the foe's <Pokémon>!'' or ''It's super effective on <Pokémon> and <Pokémon>!''). If a multi-target move misses one opponent (for any reason) but hits another, a ''<Pokémon>'s attack missed!'' message will appear first (if it was due to something else than immunity or protecting itself, otherwise the usual message like ''It doesn't affect <Pokémon>...'' appears), before the move's animation executes, and the missed Pokémon will not react to the animation.
* During breeding, offspring now have an 80% chance to have the Ability slot corresponding to their mother, unless it is a Hidden Ability; for example, {{p|Venomoth}} with {{a|Shield Dust}} is more likely to breed {{p|Venonat}} with {{a|Compoundeyes}} than with {{a|Tinted Lens}}.

===Additions in Black 2 and White 2===
* A sequel pair to the original pair of games, with an all-new story.
* Pokémon from previous generations appear more often in Unova, even from the start.
* The New Unova [[Pokédex]] includes a Habitat mode, allowing the player to select a specific area or route in Unova and view what Pokemon are known to inhabit it.
* [[Entralink]] missions are replaced by Funfest missions, and can be played with or without connecting to other players.
* New attractions, such as [[Pokéstar Studios]] and the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
* Challenge Mode and Easy Mode, which raise and lower the NPC opponents' Pokémon's strength, respectively.
* All opponent Trainers now have fluidly animated sprites that move before battle.

==Region==
===Unova===
[[File:Unova alt.png|thumb|right|Unova]]
{{main|Unova}}
Like previous generations, another new region, the [[Unova]] region, is introduced in {{game|Black and White|s}}. Unlike the previous four regions, which are relatively close in respect to one another, Unova has been revealed to be distant from them, with the only way to travel between it and the other four being boat or airplane.

====Starter Pokémon====
The starters of the Unova region, like the starters of the previous four regions, follow the Grass-Fire-Water trio, with {{p|Snivy}} the {{type|Grass}}, {{p|Tepig}} the {{type|Fire}}, and {{p|Oshawott}} the {{type|Water}}.

====Gym Leaders====

==={{2v2|Black|White}}===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{Unova color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{Unova color}};" colspan=9 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="9" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Unova League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="6" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Generation V}}
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="6" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Unova}}
|-
! colspan="1" style="background: #{{unova color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" colspan="6" | {{color|{{unova color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}};" | {{color|{{unova color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! colspan="3" style="background: #{{unova color light}};" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Type}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Badge}}
|-
| style="background: #{{grass color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSCilan.png]] {{color2|{{grass color dark}}|Cilan}} {{color|{{grass color dark}}|デント Dent}}
| style="background: #{{fire color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSChili.png]] {{color2|{{fire color dark}}|Chili}} {{color|{{fire color dark}}|ポッド Pod}}
| style="background: #{{water color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSCress.png]] {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Cress}} {{color|{{water color dark}}|コーン Corn}}
| style="background:#{{??? color light}}" | {{color2|{{??? color dark}}|Striaton City}} {{color|{{??? color dark}}|サンヨウシティ Sanyou City}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | {{tcolor|Grass|{{grass color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}" | {{tcolor|Fire|{{fire color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" | {{tcolor|Water|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{??? color light}}" | [[File:Trio Badge.png|50px]] {{color|{{??? color dark}}|Trio Badge}}
|- style="background:#{{??? color}}"
{{gldr|type=Normal|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSLenora.png|ldr=Lenora|djap=アロエ|drm=Aloe|loc=Nacrene City|cjap=シッポウシティ|crm=Shippou City|bdg=Basic|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Bug|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSBurgh.png|ldr=Burgh|djap=アーティ|drm=Arty|loc=Castelia City|cjap=ヒウンシティ|crm=Hiun City|bdg=Insect|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Electric|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSElesa.png|ldr=Elesa|djap=カミツレ|drm=Kamitsure|loc=Nimbasa City|cjap=ライモンシティ|crm=Raimon City|bdg=Bolt|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ground|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSClay.png|ldr=Clay|djap=ヤーコン|drm=Yakon|loc=Driftveil City|cjap=ホドモエシティ|crm=Hodomoe City|bdg=Quake|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Flying|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSSkyla.png|ldr=Skyla|djap=フウロ|drm=Huuro|loc=Mistralton City|cjap=フキヨセシティ|crm=Fukiyose City|bdg=Jet|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ice|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSBrycen.png|ldr=Brycen|djap=ハチク|drm=Hachiku|loc=Icirrus City|cjap=セッカシティ|crm=Sekka City|bdg=Freeze|px=50}}
{{gldrb2|type=Dragon|col=3|tcol=3|pic=VSDrayden.png|ldr=Drayden|djap=シャガ|drm=Shaga{{sup/5|B}}|pic2=VSIris.png|ldr2=Iris|djap2=アイリス|drm2=Iris{{sup/5|W}}|loc=Opelucid City|cjap=ソウリュウシティ|crm=Souryuu City|bdg=Legend|px=50}}
|}
{{-}}
==={{2v2|Black|White|2}}===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{Unova color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{Unova color}};" colspan=7 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="7" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Unova League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="4" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Generation V}}
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="3" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Unova}}
|-
! style="background: #{{unova color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" colspan="4" | {{color|{{unova color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}};" | {{color|{{unova color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}};" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Type}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Badge}}
|-
{{gldr|type=Normal|col=4|pic=VSCheren 2.png|ldr=Cheren|djap=チェレン|drm=Cheren|loc=Aspertia City|cjap=ヒオウギシティ|crm=Hiougi City|bdg=Basic|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Poison|col=4|pic=VSRoxie.png|ldr=Roxie|djap=ホミカ|drm=Homika|loc=Virbank City|cjap=タチワキシティ|crm=Tachiwaki City|bdg=Toxic|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Bug|col=4|pic=VSBurgh.png|ldr=Burgh|djap=アーティ|drm=Arty|loc=Castelia City|cjap=ヒウンシティ|crm=Hiun City|bdg=Insect|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Electric|col=4|pic=VSElesa 2.png|ldr=Elesa|djap=カミツレ|drm=Kamitsure|loc=Nimbasa City|cjap=ライモンシティ|crm=Raimon City|bdg=Bolt|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ground|col=4|pic=VSClay.png|ldr=Clay|djap=ヤーコン|drm=Yakon|loc=Driftveil City|cjap=ホドモエシティ|crm=Hodomoe City|bdg=Quake|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Flying|col=4|pic=VSSkyla.png|ldr=Skyla|djap=フウロ|drm=Huuro|loc=Mistralton City|cjap=フキヨセシティ|crm=Fukiyose City|bdg=Jet|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Dragon|col=4|pic=VSDrayden.png|ldr=Drayden|djap=シャガ|drm=Shaga|loc=Opelucid City|cjap=ソウリュウシティ|crm=Souryuu City|bdg=Legend|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Water|col=4|pic=VSMarlon.png|ldr=Marlon|djap=シズイ|drm=Shizui|loc=Humilau City|cjap=セイガイハシティ |crm=Seigaiha City|bdg=Wave|px=50}}
|}
{{-}}


==Discussion of Generation V==
===Unova thematic motif===
The fifth generation of Pokémon games focuses on the relationships between opposites, such as nature and industry or humans and Pokémon. This comes from the concept of Yin and Yang, which the legendary mascots of {{game|Black and White|s}}, {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}}, are based on, with another reference being that Reshiram is the mascot of Black and Zekrom being the mascot of White-- both are opposite colored to the game's color, while version mascots beforehand had always matched. The [[Swords of Justice]] also represent this theme as they are trying to prevent Pokémon from losing their natural habitats to human industry. The generation's main antagonists, [[Team Plasma]], also fit in with this theme, as their goal is to separate Pokémon from humans. Some of the cities also reflect this theme by being aesthetically different depending on the version of the game; two major examples of this are [[Black City]] and [[White Forest]], two version-exclusive locations. The {{pkmn|Dream World}}, which is supposed to combine dreams and reality, also fits into this theme.

==Japanese title screens==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{unova color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{unova color}}"
|-
| style="background: #{{black color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{black color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black}}
| style="background: #{{white color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{white color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon White}}
|-
| width="14px" style="background: #{{black color}};" | [[File:Japanese BlackTitle.png]]
| width="14px" style="background: #{{white color}};" | [[File:Japanese WhiteTitle.png]]
|-
| style="background: #{{black 2 color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{black 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2}}
| style="background: #{{white 2 color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}};" | {{color2|{{white 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon White 2}}
|-
| width="14px" style="background: #{{black 2 color}};" | [[File:Japanese Black2Title.png]]
| width="14px" style="background: #{{white 2 color}};" | [[File:Japanese White2Title.png]]
|}

==Trivia==
* The Japanese logo of the Pokémon games was redesigned once again for Generation V's releases; the first logo was used in [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]], and the second during [[Generation III]] and [[Generation IV]].
** The text for the English boxes also received a new design.
* Generation V introduced the most new Pokémon to the series, with 156 (five more than Generation I introduced).
* Generation V introduced the most [[Gym Leader]]s, with 14.
* Generation V is the first generation since Generation I not to introduce any [[baby Pokémon]] or cross-generational relatives.
** Generation V is also the first generation where the number of [[legendary Pokémon]] introduced did not increase from the previous generation. In this case, Generation V introduced 13 legendary Pokémon, and [[Generation IV]] introduced 14 legendary Pokémon if {{p|Phione}} is considered a legendary Pokémon, or 13 legendary Pokémon if it is not.
* Generation V is the only generation where:
** There is only one [[fishing]] rod—the {{DL|Fishing|Super Rod}}—as the {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}} and {{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}} have been removed.
** The {{game|Black and White|s|primary paired versions}} were released in Europe before in North America.
** A single-type Pokémon of every type is introduced.
** The main {{pkmn|professor}} is female.
* Generation V is also the only generation without:
** A new move as an [[HM]]: all six HM moves have previously been available in HMs.
** The introduction of a new [[branched evolution]]: all Generation V Pokémon which can evolve only evolve into one Pokémon species.
** A [[Game Corner]]: this likely is due to changes in European law, which caused the European release of {{game|Platinum}} to lack Game Corner games, and caused international versions of {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} to completely alter the Game Corners to feature [[Voltorb Flip]] instead of the traditional slot machines.
** A [[Cycling Road]]: no place in Unova specifically requires the player to ride his or her [[bicycle]].
** All member games occurring at approximately the same time.
** A visit to [[Kanto]] for the player, and the appearance of its regional professor, [[Professor Oak]]. Oak, however, was mentioned when the player battles [[Blue (game)|Blue]] in the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
** The introduction of a move that can't be {{m|Sketch}}ed: Generation I introduced {{m|Struggle}}, Generation II introduced Sketch itself, Generation III introduced [[Shadow move]]s, and Generation IV introduced {{m|Chatter}}.
** A solitary [[Version|main series]] game.
** A home console game.

{{Main series}}
{{Project Games notice}}

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Talk:Fairy (type)

2013-08-19T20:33:12Z

HeroicJay: /* Update the count */ new section

== Confirmed Fairy-types ==
Aside from Sylveon as the first pure Fairy-type, Pokecom.com has confirmed that Gardevoir is now Psychic/Fairy, Marill is Water/Fairy and Jigglypuff in Normal/Fairy.

http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/whats_new/fairy_type/

Worth adding to this page their respective pages, ''ja''? [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 15:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
: We're working our fastest to update the pages and bring them to standard, I can guarentee you this page is being worked on by a staff member and if you will check the Pokemon pages you will see the work has started, it has only just been announced, give us a chance to do the work, and do it right. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 15:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::Surely it's safe to assume that Azurill, Azumarill, Igglybuff, and Wigglytuff are fairy types as well? And with a name like Clefairy, it, Cleffa and Clefable are obvious candidates as well. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]])
:::Well for Azurill, it's not even a Water type so there's no reason to assume it's going to get the Fairy type as well. It'd be better not to assume anything. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 19:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Definitely agree until more official details are confirmed, and maybe if people try editing those pages then they should be protected to protect against speculation. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::I believe most of them are already protected, so that won't be a problem. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 19:16, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::::: I believe it is safe to say that fairy type moves are [[special]], since all the eevee evolutions have been made to represent all special type moves (except dragon) {{unsigned|Connarwho}}
:::::::::: What? Types haven't been split like that since Gen III. If you mean the moves, it's not confirmed yet. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:32, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

== Nitpicking ==

This is just nitpicking but the colour you used to represent gen 6 on the "list of pokemon with cross generational evolutions" is different from the type you used to represent gen 6 on the new moves. Stay consistent please :( [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 16:20, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Redirect ==

Add a redirect to this page from "fairy type." [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 18:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Retyping notice ==

Following the style for other people that have been retyped, Magnemite/Magneton and Rotom's alternate forms, shouldn't all Pokémon retyped to Fairy have a little marker next to them indicating that this typing only applies to Gen VI onwards?

e.g. <nowiki>{{tt|*|Generation VI onwards}}</nowiki> which should comes out as: {{tt|*|Generation VI onwards}} 

I would add it myself but I'm not an autoconfirmed user. - [[User:Tasty Salamanders|Tasty Salamanders]] ([[User talk:Tasty Salamanders|talk]]) 23:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Other type interactions ==

We can't say for sure yet, but Fairy appears to also be either neutral or super-effective against Flying, since it hits for super-effective on Salamence. Just thought I'd put this here for later reference. [[User:Skarthe|Skarthe]] ([[User talk:Skarthe|talk]]) 23:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

: The same goes for Dark, since it's super effective against Hydreigon. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 22:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
::*So far we just know [[Dragon (type)|dragons]] are weak to [[Fairy (type)|fairies]], that's probably why it was super effective against Salamence '''''and''''' Hydreigon. Shouldn't assume anything else until more info is released (unless I totally missed something at this point), though I guess those two types are at least not resistant to fairy types but who knows, something else might pop up. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 18:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

== Number ==

I noticed the number of Fairy-types was not updated right away. Why don't we use a template to count them? <nowiki>{{#expr: {{PAGESINCATEGORY:Fairy-type Pokémon}}}}</nowiki> The same should probably be done for the other types too. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

== Retcon? ==

We don't know if they were ''actually'' retconned yet, do we? There could be some lame in-game excuse....--[[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] ([[User talk:Phoenixon|talk]]) 00:41, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:They changed something from the past. With or without an excuse, it's still a retcon. Even if they say something like, "These were discovered to be Fairy-types all along" or "These Pokemon recently gained Fairy-type attributes" it's still a retcon. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 00:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
::True, but still, the word ''retcon'' is a little bit slangy/casual/Newspeaky, no? Wouldn't the phrase "such-and-such Pokemon were ''changed'' to be Fairy-type" suffice? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:54, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::It might work, but the definition of the word retcon is just something that alters the facts of a series. Considering that the games themselves state that there are only 17 types in the games from Generation II to Generation V, it should be appropriate to use. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 01:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Couldn't we use something besides retcon? It would be nicer if it were worded like " In generation 6 (insert pokemon here) were revealed to be Fairy type."

[[User:Timmiii|Timmiii]] ([[User talk:Timmiii|talk]]) 16:03, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== German ==

The german name from fariy typ is Fee and not Feen! --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 01:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

== Was introduced? ==

Generation VI hasn't come out yet, and the encyclopedia makes it look like it happened years ago and everyone has already accepted the tweaks it introduced. It's funny. Ahah. [[User:Male supremo|Male supremo]] ([[User talk:Male supremo|talk]]) 10:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

It's more convenient to write the article in the past tense so that it's ready for when the content does come out. --[[User:Pipoleon|Pipoleon]] ([[User talk:Pipoleon|talk]]) 11:42, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Everything falls into place now... you're saving time. This is quite a crafty community. It does look unnatural though, so I must place my heart elsewhere. ( For the most part I'm joking. ) [[User:Male supremo|Male supremo]] ([[User talk:Male supremo|talk]]) 14:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

== Idea to avoid confusion on individual type pages ==

I think it is confusing to have Pokemon's old type status (such as Magnemite and Magneton being listed as pure Electric) in the lists on the individual pages. Now with the somewhat major retconning of Fairy type, where quite a few Pokemon are going to get retyped (or at least have Fairy type added), I think it is a good time to think about taking off these old type statuses, that do not represent the current type status of the Pokemon in question. We could make a page called "Former Pokemon Types" and list those Pokemon, the old type, the new type, and what generation it was changed. Right now we only have to fix Magnemite, Magneton, Rotom, and any Pokemon that get confirmed to get or become Fairy type. Anyone else have any opinions they'd like to share?
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 07:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:I don't like the idea of moving them to an entirely different page; it makes the information less obviously accessible. Maybe we could just have subheaders? So, for example, in the "Water (type)" page, we could have the "Pure Water-type Pokemon" section without Marill in it and with a "Formerly pure Water-type Pokemon" subsection, which would include Marill as well as an explanation that it was from Gen 2-5, and then go on to the "Half Water-type Pokemon" section with Marill in it as Water/Fairy. (I do like the idea of ''also'' having a place to aggregate all retyped Pokemon. I've suggested a category for it previously.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, it had bothered me a little bit before that Magnemite, Magneton, and Rotom, showed both the old types and new types in the same chart, but now with Fairy type (and I'm guessing at least 30 Pokemon getting the type), I really think now is the time to start making decisition like having a category page and changing how we treat the "former typed Pokemon" in the tables.
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 14:38, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:I agree, having the old type and the current type just looks confusing [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 03:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

== Ice type ==
If Sylveon is resistant to the type of ice, and we know it is pure Fairy Pokémon, this type should have resistance to the ice?--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 19:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
:Where has it been shown that Sylveon resists Ice??--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think they mean the Pokemon Smash episode where Sylveon smashed ice. However, that could mean Fae is strong against Ice or hates ice due to being weak. It's too ambiguous to use, imo --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 06:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

== Retcon ==

It says that Marill, Gardevoir, and Jigglypuff were "retconned" into being Fairy-types. Believe it or not, "retcon" is not a real word, so should it be changed to something else? Like, they were "retroactively declared to be Fairy-types" or something like that? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 02:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:It's enough of a real word to have a {{wp|Retroactive continuity|Wikipedia article}}, but I agree that it sounds really slangy/unprofessional and should be changed. (I had this conversation with somebody before, but nobody listened and the pages are locked...) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::In addition to what Pumpkinking0192 has said, I would like to point out that the [http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/retcon|Oxford Dictionary lists retcon as a word.] It lists the orgin as an "abbreviation of retroactive continuity," which would be similar to saying "[...] retroactively declared to be Fairy-types." For Pumpkinking0192, [[Fairy_(type)#Retcon.3F|this is section that previously talked about Retcon]], which is on this talk page, which did not seem to come to a conclusion that resolved the issue. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, slangy? Unprofessional? On a website that lists useless trivia at the end of every Pokemon article? I think we can get away with using "slangy" terminology on here. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 16:21, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Rude much? We should always be trying to make Bulbapedia as high-quality as possible. Although the current consensus is that some trivia is okay, and trying to fight that consensus would be an uphill battle and incredibly unlikely to succeed, we can still try to improve Bulbapedia in other areas. Don't give up on the whole just because you can't fix a part. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:34, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
:::In any case, it doesn't sound like any admins are interested in this issue, so in retrospect I guess it's kind of pointless to debate about it until the games come out, the article's unprotected, and those of us who actually care can make the changes ourselves. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think you'll find, Starscream, that trivia is still information, even it it's "trivial." It just means it doesn't fit into any particular part of the article. If Bulbapedia was an actual, printed encyclopaedia, you'd find said trivia either in footnotes or as a lovely little supplement page. Trivia does not make something unprofessional. Either way, I think "retcon" is suitable enough given its common usage. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 23:22, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
:I feel the admins didn't need to discuss in this point, as stated it is actually a word and is in common usage, changing retconned to retroactively declared would be like changiyng any instance of can't to can not, at least in my opinion. It is a perfectly viable word. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 00:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
::Except that it ''is not'' a perfectly viable word. It has only gained traction in fandom- and Internet-related circles and is ''not'' in standard English in normal life outside those circles. I have separate issues with "retroactively declared" (they aren't being changed in copies of older games, so it's not technically "retroactive"), so I believe the simple phrase ''they were changed to become Fairy-types'' is the best option to fulfill the requests that it be (a) completely accurate and (b) unarguably professional and encyclopedic in tone and diction. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:08, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
::P.S. Your ''can't'' example is actually a perfect argument in my favor, since in all professional writing (encyclopedias, academic journals, newspapers), contractions are '''always''' discouraged as unprofessional. We shouldn't be using them in the mainspace, just like we shouldn't be using ''retcon''. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:12, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
:I just don't like the way the sentence is phrased right now. "…were retconned to be Fairy-type" makes it sound like their original types were completely ignored and replaced with pure fairy. I would prefer it to say "…were given Fairy as a secondary type" or something similar. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] ([[User talk:Drapion|talk]]) 21:19, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Type Matchups ==

Considering that Sylveon got a "Super Effective" message when attacking Hydreigon and Salamence, we do know for sure that Dark and Flying don't resist Fairy-type attacks. Is this worth noting? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 02:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:It's best we wait for all data to be confirmed before adding. I myself was considering that, but it doesn't show whether Fairy-type moves are super effective against Dark and/or Flying as well. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Not Physical or Special ==

Should we add that Fairy is the only type that is not classified as either a physical or special type (other than ???)? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 02:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Those classifications are only for types from Gens I-III. They don't exist in a type exclusive format anymore, now it's all based on the move itself. {{unsigned|Crystal Talian}}
::It's already been in the trivia section for several days. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Judging by the trailer videos, it can be implied that Moonblast and Fairy Wind are [[special move]]s. [[User:FalafelC|FalafelC]] ([[User talk:FalafelC|talk]]) 02:55, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
::::We're looking for confirmed information. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 03:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::Why not just add "so far" at the end? It implies right now that it for sure isn't Phys/Spec at all. [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] ([[User talk:FerreTrip|talk]]) 15:16, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

== Supposed X and Y Information about fairy type matchups ==

Pokebeach has had a claimer that has leaked most of the things correctly and one of the things is about the fairy type. This is probably true because in Febuary, the claimer leaked 4 new Pokemon and their english names(Revealed, like Gogoat), Parabolic Charge, and Sky battles. Anyway, heres what he says

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it

Consider it... {{unsigned|Kevasaurus}}
:Speculation, not confirmed yet. — [[User:Reshi643|Reshi643]] ([[User talk:Reshi643|talk]]) 16:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:: All we know is that it is supereffective against Dragon, and not not very effective against Dark or Flying, otherwise Hydreigon and Salamence will only be normally effected by Fairy moves, which they aren't. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 11:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Can't we just ban people who go 'omg leaked info u guise' on talk pages? --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 16:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:He probably don't know that Bulbapedia goes on only confirmed facts. — [[User:Reshi643|Reshi643]] ([[User talk:Reshi643|talk]]) 16:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

::I see it more like Navi/Fi there trying to help but they are not. [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] ([[User talk:Random Chaos|talk]]) 17:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::As the top notice says, we wont add anything that hasn't been confirmed officially. There's a possibility that the leaker has made typos/mistakes or has intentionally leaked both correct and false information.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:Basically, unless it was '''''officially revealed information and not speculation''''', it isn't going up here. Also, [[User:Kevasaurus|Kevasaurus]], don't forget to sign your posts next time, it is four tildes (four of these things--->~). By the way, were the caps really necessary? Personally finding them obnoxious. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 19:10, 20 June 2013
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Oh sorry, I didn't mean to do the caps. I was just telling about some information that Pokebeach had and when I said consider it , I wasn't thinking. Also I miss read the four little tildles and only put one. I will put that in. But I've been trying to edit something with TRUE information but i can't find a page. Anyway, I'm addicted to Pokemon and I wann' really help Bulbapedia.I love Bulbapedia, that's why I signed up. [[User:Kevasaurus|Kevasaurus]] ([[User talk:Kevasaurus|talk]]) 20:30, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
P.S Would you like me to delete this peice? Or keep it and see if it is revealed later on?

Alright guys, who wants to add [[Geomancy]] to the list? [[User:Dudey997|In '97, Dudley]] [[User_talk:Dudey997|didn't]] [[Special:Contributions/Dudey997|do right.]] 19:31, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

== Update the count ==

The count at the top of the page says there are eight confirmed Fairy-types, but then lists ten. Apparently, the number wasn't updated after last CoroCoro, where Dedenne was confirmed and Mawile confirmed to change to Steel/Fairy. Just a reminder to update. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 20:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Stone Edge (move)

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HeroicJay: /* Effect */

Um, no offense to whoever contributed it, but the image for this article is kinda bad. All dark and off-centered....{{unsigned|Inker}}

==Italics==
Does the "Italic indicates a Pokémon whose evolution gets [[STAB]] from this move" apply to pre-evolutions? (Cause {{p|Steelix}} is in italics)--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 21:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon which use Stone Edge==
Could you add Bertha's Golem to the list of pokemon that use stone edge...[[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 17:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)]

== Effect ==

"Can also hit an opponent during the semi-invulnerable turn of Fly or Bounce." seems to have been in an edit war for a while. Serebii[http://www.serebii.net/attackdex-dp/stoneedge.shtml] and pokemondb[http://pokemondb.net/move/stone-edge] both do not include this information so I presume it is incorrect. If you have any evidence otherwise then please post it here then change the article back. [[User:Jacko103|Jacko103]] 22:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
: A user tried to add it with a YouTube video link as "evidence", but it was just a {{a|No Guard}} Machamp, which proves nothing; No Guard can hit through semi-invulnerable moves. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 07:28, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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== Major Events ==
I just wanted to let you know that the "Major Events" arent supposed to be a summary of everything that happened. It only lists MAJOR EVENTS for that episode. Like his Pokémon evolving, or gaining a gym badge, etc. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 14:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ehh.. ==

I suggest that you use Preview button next to the Save button when editing, or by Alt+shift+P. It's..like..your.. 5th "woopsie". :o '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

==Sorry==
I am really sorry about the Headbutt article. I just remebered I made an oppsies and thought I already wrote Arbok in headbutt when i didn't. I feel stupid now for deleting your edit, im sorry. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 22:10, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, it kinda looked like an extra tackle to me, but Jessie doesn't give a command. Arbok can't learn tackle in its movesets, so it might have just been a way 2 get Jolteon out of the way. Anyways, i watch the pokemon episodes on Megavideo, that's how i get my data. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Megavideo is a place where you can watch videos, kinds like youtube except theres no 10 minute limit for videos. Unfortunetly, you can only watch about 53-76 minutes per day, and once you get a message saying that, you have to wait an hour to watch more. Theres a guy on there i think his username is anthony007 or sumthin, he has all the pokemon eps. I love the images u uploaded onto your userpage, how did u upload them? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Nah, I had no idea. But how did you get the images from serebii? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

==Hi==
I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot recently. You may not be aware of this, but Bulbapedia has a {{bp|Userspace policy}} that asks users to try and minimize the number of userspace edits they make in a short period of time. Heavy editing of these personal pages can put undue stress on the server, so please leave your page alone for now and go help out in the mainspace. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so please help us to complete it! If you edit the mainspace more often, you will be allowed to edit your userpage more often too. Thanks! --[[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''Z''']] 19:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

==Response==
I watched the episode, and Lt. Surge told Raichu to use Thunderpunch, that why I put it back up. It looked like a Mega punch, but he said thunderpunch, so... ya.

And to your edits to Heracross, you were right, but Ash caught his Chikorita on Route 29. I wuz kinda surprised when you asked me questions becuz im not an admin? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, nah its all good, i wuz just wonderin y u asked me of all people, lol. if you ever have questions, i'll try my best to answer them. :D [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Uh, ya i no that shininpikablu was right, i wuz kinda havin an off day yesterday, tryin to finish up a chapter on my story on fanfiction, so I wasnt really payin attention to what i wuz typin, im sry. and i will get on the other anime templates as well, just once i reach them in the show, a lot of the attacks on here are kinda sloppy, not thought out and sometimes wrong, so i plan on doing that soon. Also, I was watching the english version, i hate subtitles, and i only speak english, and a tiny bit of spanish, plus the dub aint so bad. It could have been me, but i remember thinking 'wow he said thunderpunch but it looks like a mega punch.' i dunno. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Red's Pokemon ==

can you provide any proof of the nicknames you added to Red's Krabby, Sandshrew, and Diglett? Those nicks have been removed in the past because none of us remember seeing them anywhere. What's your source? If you just saw it on Serebii, that's not proof enough... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
:Those are scanlations. Not official translations. Unless either Viz or Chuang Yi gave them nicknames - they don't have any. Neither me, CP, Maxim or a few others remember such nicknames in any official translation. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 08:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

== Reply ==

I replied on my talk page. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Moi! ==
Satun tuntemaan yhden Pokémonin kääntäjistä, joten kuulen häneltä aina välillä tietoa ;3 Autan häntä lisäksi kääntämisessä~ 12.kautta ollaan parhaillaan kääntämässä ja 12.elokuva on käännetty lokakuussa.
Oletko muuten Bulbapedian foorumeilla? ^^
Edit: He, joo olen, ja anteeksi siitä jo etukäteen..^^; En ole hirveästi koodaillut Wikissä mitään, enkä siis oikein osaa koodata ulkoa tuosta vain..^^; Siksi ajattelin, että minulle olisi helpointa käyttää copy-pastena jonkun toisen listaa, ja muokata siitä sitten itseni näköinen. Toivottavasti et pahastunut..^__^;
EDIT 2: Joo, pidetään ihmeessä yhteyttä! Onkos sinulla meseä? :3
Ja kyllä, kopion sen omaksi pohjaksi : D
Ja yritän pitää sinut ajantasalla ^^
Niin ja noista liikkeistä, ne meinattiin ensin kääntää. Mutta sitten osa faneista Suomen Pokéfoorumilta ehdotti jätettävän ne alkuperäiseen asuunsa, joten ne jätettiin.
Itsekin olin jo kääntämässä noita hyökkäysten nimiä silloin. Jos ne olisi käännetty, niin eräs itse keksimistäni suomennoksista liikkeelle [[Blast Burn]] oli "Tuhopoltto". Minusta se kuvaa liikkeen voimaa hyvin~
Toisaalta minusta on ihan ok, että liikkeet ovat englanniksi, ovathan pelitkin aina olleet englanniksi.
Pidetään yhteyttä!

EDIT 3: Oh, teen jatkossa niin...^^;
Hei, minulla olisi kuvia noista Suomen Pokémonin ääninäyttelijöistä, niin pystyisitkö lisäämään ne puolestani tuonne osioon missä kerrotaan Pokémonista Suomessa? ^^ Laitan ne kohta Photobuckettiin, niin voit napata ne sieltä tänne.

EDIT 4: Joo, katsoin itse vähän aikaa sitten 3.pokéleffan ja minua nauratti hirmuisesti [[Whirlpool]] joka oli käännetty "poreammeeksi". : D Okei, se on poreamme, mutta sana kuulostaa tosi oudolle suomeksi, tai siis kun siitä tulee heti mieleen sellainen poreamme, jossa kylvetään...
Lisään ne ääninäyttelijöiden kuvat vasta huomenna, kun nyt ei ole enää aikaa ;3
[[User:*Jirachi*|*Jirachi*]]

EDIT5: Heippa siellä! Hei me ei olla juteltu aikoihin, miten menee? ^__^ Sain muuten juuri vähän aikaa sitten kuulla kääntäjältä, että 14.pokémonleffoista on tullut jo alustavaa materiaalia. Tällä hetkellä mietitään kaiketi leffan englanninkielisiä/kansainvälisiä nimiä~
Mutta juu, jutellaanhan?~ [[User:*Jirachi*|*Jirachi*]]

26/06/2011: Joo, ihan kivoja edittejä~ Tosin olen edelleen sitä mieltä, että tuo sivu on aika sekalainen, sen tiedot pitäisi jossain välissä järjestää kokonaan uudelleen selkeämmiksi kokonaisuuksiksi [ja lisätä kuvia esim. näyttelijöistä Pokéssa jne. :3], kun nyt tuo on vähän tollanen "kirjoitan tähän tyhjään kohtaan mitä mieleen tuli" tyylinen.
EDIT 2: Joo, tottakai voin, lisään ainakin ne, jotka tiedän ^__^
Valitettavasti en itsekään tiedä kovin montaa sivuroolin esittäjää. Voin yrittää kysyä kääntäjältä [hän on tosin tietoinen vain hahmoista kaudesta 9 eteenpäin]

== spoiler links ==

In episode articles, manga rounds, and book articles, if a Pokémon has evolved but hasn't evolved as of that episode, it links to the pre-evolution's page to avoid spoilers so Please don't change them to what the pages are now. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:Oy... you said yourself this only applies to manga rounds, episode articles, and book articles only. That was a move page... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::No, it was a book page. It was [[Coal Badge Battle]]. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Ok, I didn't see that, but I'm talking about a move, such as {{m|Faint Attack}} and {{m|Stomp}}. {{u|Littlmiget123|This user}} is misinterpreting it... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I did it so that it would be less data for the page to take, and I saw other people doing it. It doesn't really matter, when they click on the page, its going to be seen. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 23:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::::We've been discussing this for quite some time, and you're butting in with a similar but different topic... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Please look at the message at the top of this section again. The same thing applies to movie articles. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:27, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Toxics, Tails, and Wrapping==
Alright, well, Ash's Pikachu never used Slam or Tail Whip, otherwise I would have put it up, so the article is wrong. People sometimes put up false information on the Trainer's Pokemon's articles. Jessie's Arbok first uses Wrap attack in the Legend of Dratini on the old man. James's Weezing never uses Toxic attack, that's just a smokescreen from the pics. And finally, Ash's Bulbasaur and Heracross never use Take Down. Or at least Ash nevers tells them to. They could have used them in later episodes, like during Battle Frontier in Kanto, but I am not there yet. I hope that answers all your questions! [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 02:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

:lol, i dont mind the questions at all. Anyways, Jessie's Lickitung has never used Bind, just wrap. Her Arbok has never used slam, but her Lickitung has? Yes, Pikachu does use tackle on occation, but since it cannot learn that move, i don't put it up there (like it says on the article, it could be just an extra command to inflict damage). If you have any more, please dont hesitate to ask. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:08, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

::Lick? I don't think its ever done that, but i'm only still at [[AG081|Take this House and Shuppet]] so it might have used it in the future. I don't know about glare, also. But i have seen most episodes of Pokemon, and i don't remember seviper ever using them? And the may article is awesome, excellent job, it looks really well. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

:::No Pokemon has ever used Poisonpowder in the anime, probably so they don't have to show poison. And I am only at [[AG082]], but so far Torchic has not used Growl, but i don't think that it does. Yes, that was Flamethrower, so you can put it up. And I'm still dunno about Arbok's Headbutt becuz of my mistake, so my guess is as good as yours. And the Meowth attack, that is fury swipes, i guess i have to change that on fury swipes article. I hope that answers your questions. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

==Harden==
Oh yeah, sry. Jessie's Cascoon uses Harden in Seeing is Believing, but May's Silcoon never uses it. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

:May's Beautifly uses Gust. Its Jessie's Dustox that uses Whirlwind. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:57, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

==Hold on!==
If you did not read your last warning, then please read it now. You have edited the <code>User:</code> namespace too much. In the past, no one was allowed to edit their userpages because some users were over-editing their own userpages. Your personal editing privileges can be taken away, so please do not edit your page any more for now. Thank you. --- [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
:[[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92#Hi|Your last warning was here, less than a month ago]]. Please, keep the {{bp|userspace policy}} in mind, and remember to use the Preview button to help reduce multiple edits. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

==Morrison pictures==
I took care of those pictures on the [[Morrison]] and that {{p|Aerodactyl}} image on the [[Gary Oak]] page. So now you don't have to worry about them. --[[User:Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 01:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, I can do it. --[[User:Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 03:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

:I took care of those Koga pics. Anything else? --[[User:Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 03:24, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

:It took me longer to get those Tentacruel pics. --[[User:Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 06:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Lots of More Questions==
Okay, let's begin :D. James's Victreebel never used Slam, or Tackle (well, it did use tackle, but it can't learn it, so it was just an extra command to do damage). The first time Ash's Heracross uses Megahorn was The ties that bind, so that's right. It was also the first time it used Fury Swipes. Bring on the rest, I'll be waiting :D. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

:Okay. Ash's Totodile first used Leer in Playing with Fire. Thank you for pointing that out, becuz I think I might have acidetly skipped totodile when I was doing the anime templete for it. Pidgeotto has never used tackle attack, and yes, Pineco first used Spikes in Ariados Amigos. Horsea never used water gun attack as well, and Corsola used all of its moves on its debut episode, excluding Bubblebeam which it only used in Pokemon Heroes. Got any more? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:34, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

::James's Koffing never used Tackle, but its evolution weezing did on its debut episode (Dig those Diglett). About Jessie's Arbok, u meant Ekans right? For Ekans hadn't evolved until like 11 episodes later. But Ekans first used Wrap in The path to the Pokemon League. It never uses Bind. And the first time Ekans uses Dig is Ash Catches a Pokemon. Do you have more? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:56, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Yes, the first time it used Haze was the evolution solution. It never used it as a Koffing. If you have any more questions, I'll be here. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:22, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Cacnea first used Needle Arm in A mudkip mission. Cacnea had little screen time during A Poached Ego, so it only used Pin missile. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:52, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::For Bonsly, I have no idea since I'm only at [[AG112]], but I can't remember it using Faint Attack. Just don't take my word for that one. James's Koffing used smog for the first time in Pokemon Emergency, and Weezing first used smog in Dig those Diglett. And yes, Misty's Goldeen first used horn drill in just add water. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

How about I give you a link to the video instead? http://www.livevideo.com/video/F8FA323E38564623B088B7401640D8A5/pokemon-episode-102.aspx Its on livevideo, and it won't harm your computer. If you ever need to find an episode that's missing, you go to google.com, then go to videos, and type in the name of the episode that you want.

==Now a question 4 u==
I have a question that I need help with. I don't think it has, but do you know if Team Rocket's Meowth has ever used slash attack? I think that it hasn't, but I'm not sure, do you know? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

==Pokémon Adventures==
I have only read it online on the onemanga website, and only up to like, the latest chapter since they stopped putting them up. So i know as much about it as you do. Why? {{unsigned|Littlmiget123}}

:I just read the chapter, it looks like double team, but it could have been an ice beam that was sculpted to look like poli? Idk, anything's possible in that manga. Bayleef did first use headbutt in playing with fire. I don't know much about Gary's Blastoise. It ''did'' use withdraw in can't beat the heat, but that's the only appearence its made so far with my episodes (I'm on [[AG143]] right now). But you can be sure when I watch Ill-Will Hunting, that everything will be written down on the attack's articles. If you have any more questions, I'll be here. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Is it true?==
Alright, I'll try my best to answer them all.
*Tracey's Venonat has never used Supersonic.
*Ash's Pikachu never used Headbutt, the beginning of the third movie was just like a way to hurt Quagsire since Electric attacks wouldn't work on it.
*Brock's Onix first uses Sandstorm in Entei at your own risk (EP259).
*So far, Jessie's Wobbuffet hasn't used safeguard, and I don't think it has, either.
*Gary's Eevee first used take down in EP116 (The Rivalry Revivial), but has never used it (thus far) as an Umbreon.
*Harrison's Blaziken has never used Double Kick.
*The only attack that Bruno's Onix has ever used is Tackle, so it never used Rock Throw or Slam.
*I don't know if Cynthia's Garchomp has ever used flamethrower? I haven't really watched much of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, and I've haven't seen the Arceus movie yet. That's the only question I'm not sure about.
::Okay, I hope that answered them all. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:51, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright, here are the kinda answers for the next set of answers.
*Hmm... are you sure Victreebel didn't use Vine Whip during that? Maybe that was one I forgot to write down? I'm not sure myself about James's Victreebel?
*So far, may's squirtle has not used withdraw, but I'll put it on the article once it does.
*I don't think so, I think it was just... flopping around, I mean, it is a fish out of water? A fish ain't going to do anything? Sorry I couldn't give you better answers like I normally do. Also, merry christmas to you back. I we don't get christmas until friday, and in my family, christmas eve is a way for my parents to torture the kids by putting the presents under the trees. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:41, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Trainer's Pokémon ==

Not all the aow sprites are up already. I temporarily reverted your edit on Dawn. Wait until the sprites are up. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 15:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
:No problem. Design credit goes to Echy for this one, though. I just helped code it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 16:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

==Stop.==
Do not edit the <code>User:</code> namespace any more. In the past, we were not allowed to edit our pages ''at all'' because of users over-editing their pages. If you edit your page any more without making some edits to the mainspace, then the privilege for you to edit the userspace will be removed. This has been your final warning. --- [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

==Responce to your statements==
Hi. It has been a while, hasn't it? I hope you understand when I revert your edits, I'm not out 2 get you, and I feel bad for doing it. About that, I watched the debut episode of banette, and it didn't use thunder from its body, it used it from its hand. It shot the thunder attack into the sky, then the thunder landed on it and surrounded its body with electricity, so maybe that's what you thought? Anyways, I didn't realise that, and I will... fix Solarbeam I guess, and I will fix vine whip as well. thanks for the info. and please respond to my question. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 15:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Adventures Query Response ==

Sorry, but I've only been reading the Viz releases, which aren't past the first gen yet -- the moves you've requested are gen2 and onwards. But try google-ing 'read manga online' and you may find a site or two which has the series--[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 22:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

== Manga Move template ==

You should not use a userspace template in the mainspace. Wait until Jio moves it out of his userspace before implementing it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 17:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks!==
Hey, thanks for fixing the link on {{m|Hammer Arm}} for me. I'm afraid I don't know the codes, so I had no idea how to make it that color. -_-' Thanks for fixing my dumb mistake. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:12, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks, I will study that guide if I need it again. Thanks again. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

== Fanfics ==

Hey there. You may have been previously unaware that Bulbapedia has a total ban on all fanfiction material. Unfortunately, you've got three subpages that are fanfic in nature. Specifically, these are [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/My own Trainers]], [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Ashchu comics]], and [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Nortikka]]. While we allow users to document their own progress through the game, when it extends to characterization it crosses a line. If you wish to write fanfiction, please use the Bulbagarden Library. These pages will eventually be deleted, but you are welcome to retrieve any information off them first. Just let me know. Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:I noticed yo recently edited the page [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/My own Trainers]] recently. As stated above, this page counts as fanfiction material, and it violates the [[Bulbapedia:Userspace_policy|userspace policy]]. It should be removed as soon as possible.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 18:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

==Holly==

Hey, do you hav any idea why Holly's Wingull and Farfetch'd pictures are not working I have uploaded them, then why are they not working? [[User:Roryrules123|Roryrules123]] 13:08 21 April 2010 (UTC)

==Manga... and other stuff==
Yay! I've finally caught up on the anime episodes (*does a happy dance*), so I'll finally be able to move onto the manga movesets now. Also, I was the edit you made on {{m|Safeguard}}, and I'm sorry about that, that was completely my fault. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Hey, I don't want to start an editing war, so I just thought we could talk things through here. Pika uses Surf, but it just morphs its Substitute, which doesn't actually make it Surf. Plus, Pikachu can't really learn it anyways other than through special conditions. If you disagree still, what about Chuchu's Fly? What are we going to put, 'Pikachu ties balloons around its waist and takes to the skies'? If Pika surfs using Substitute, then that means that all Pokemon are able to do that. It's like a variation on the attack, just like how Dawn uses Flame Ice, but it isn't really an attack? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Just to be clear, let me just say that I'm not trying to be negative. I hate how the internet shows no emotions, because then you'll see I'm trying to be as friendly I can be, but still get the facts straight. Plus, this is a serious wiki, and if feelings get hurt, nothing can be done about it. Strictly buisness is how I see this place, and it is also how I do my work, perfect or nothing at all. And your PS statement, I really want to say thank you. That really brightened my day. Also, don't be down. I consider you a good friend here on the wiki, so don't think that I'm, how you say, 'out to get you'? Because I'm not, lol.
::Okay, now to buisness. In You know Articuno, Misty uses her Starmie to get across the water. However, it is floating ''above'' the water, so it isn't technically using Surf, nor Fly, just using its Psychic powers to float across the water. I realize that many different sources say that Pika uses Surf, but the substitute just pushes the water away from it. That would mean that all Pokemon are able to use Surf then. If a Voltorb learned Substitute, would it know Surf, then? *sigh* Thinking into the future, it looks like I'm going to have to give this up. Even if I ''do'' win this battle, some other person is going to come along and this is going to start all over again. I still do not think that Pika is using Surf, because it is like a contest move, using one move to be like another. However, I think I'll head over to surf and type in my variation, is that alright? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 15:25, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::So, I've been thinking about this for a while now. I know you'll hate to bring up old demons, but I still don't think that Pikachu should be put up on surf. The point of the moveset boxes is to describe the way the Pokemon uses the move. The Pokemon, as in not just one. Not all Pikachu are going to know the move Substitute, especially. I was thinking you should add a 'Moves improvised' section on Pika's page, and add it there. What do you think? Also, I'll probably add in the Substitute description box for Pikachu that it can form the substitute any way it wants. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay. Thanks for understanding! ^^ I'll do those right now. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I guess, but Heatran was shown using the move. Getting a Pikachu using Surf ''is'' possible, but in the manga, it's just like a Counter-shield or Ice Chandalier-like move in my opinion. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

== Listen! ==

Hey FP, here is the deal. Our admins are also redirecting those articles. Why are they doing so? Just for the search thingy? No. Those articles have been redirected to facilitate the users to find the particular article or particular thing that they are trying to search. So, please stop relinking them. Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 17:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

==Anime moves==
The anime templates are used for when they first use the actual move. Not a test. If if was a failed try, it isn't the actual move, otherwise, I'd have to put 'Turtwig's leaves glow light green and it opens its mouth. A small light green ball forms in front of its mouth and explodes randomly.' [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

== Saur ==

Just a question, how do you know it's Stun Spore and not Sleep Powder? I can't see anything that names the move, and it is very similar in appearance to previous uses of Sleep Powder. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:53, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:It was sleep powder..he even states it [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 07:13, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

==Missing Pokemon Adventure Chapters==
Hey. So, I was reading through and adding data, and I noticed that chapters 42 and 43 are missing. Any way you could find them for me on a different website? Thanks. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I found them on Youtube. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:25, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== Edit Warring ==

If there is a problem with someone starting an edit war, do not participate in it. Please contact a {{bp|staff}} member of Administrator level or higher. We'll evaluate, and take the required action to stop the problem. Further wars, even if you are in the right, may result in blocks. Hope you understand, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 15:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== Wild Charge? ==
So what makes you think Pikachu will learn anew move in BW024 anyway? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 13:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Finny D: ==

Rules be rules. Sorry. You've gone over the limit so your userpage has been protected for a week. Sorry. D: --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 13:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
: Your page has been locked off again due to two successive violations of the Userspace limit, once in July and this most recent one. Especially over minor typos and things that could have been avoided with the preview key, as well as simply waiting out the server day. Please be more observant of the Userspace rules and avoid making the same mistake next time. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 06:05, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

== Re: Rhyhorn ==

I was checking my talk page and you asked me a while ago to upload a picture of Hiker's Rhyhorn. However I don't know what Hiker you are talking about, can you give me an episode please if you still want it? '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 07:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== Plagiarising my Harrison's Sneasel article ==

Excuse me, but what is the purpose of [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Harrison's Sneasel|this]]? You've basically just copied most of what I've done, completely taking credit for my work. I would not have minded you adding to my article but blatantly copying mine (the only differences is that you've deleted some spaces) is offensive and a waste of time. I know that you are disappointed that I beat you to it but this is the wrong way to go about it. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 01:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

:If you check, I wrote everything on Harrison's page about Sneasel as well. So yes, you did copy. It doesnt matter now, your page has been rightfully deleted. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 21:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

::To be honest it wasn't necessary to even put it there. It was already there, under my userspace, and you were quite welcome to edit it there. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:47, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

== The Preview Button ==
Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Changes button... Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Thanks! --[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 11:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:You're still not using the preview as much as you should. Try a little harder. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 12:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
::As with last week, please do not forget to use the preview button. You edited BW062 four times in a row already. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 12:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

== Copyright violation ==

Please do not link to websites like the one you did [[User talk:Littlmiget123|here]]. It is copyright violation and is against the rules. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

== Linking to Pokémon articles ==

Please stop changing the links to Pokémon articles. To avoid spoilers, we keep old links the way they are. In other words, any episodes before [[BW062]] should link to Cilan's Dwebble, so that way it doesn't reveal unwanted spoilers if readers who aren't up to date hover over the link. Likewise, Ash's Krokorok should still link to Sunglasses Sandile/Krokorok on most pages. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 14:10, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

==Mew's Psychic?==
I don't remember Mew using the traditional eyes 'glowing and controlling opponent' part of the move. When did that happen in the movie? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== WTP ==

Please do not interfere next time I'm adding WTP's for missing episodes because I can't edit properly since the 'Edit conflict' appears. Since I upload them I take full responsability to add them to each of their respective page. Thank you !--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 10:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

== Lapras ==

Lapras may have had a Pokéball (that Ash used in the second gym battle on the Orange Islands), but Ash wasn't shown actually physically throwing the Pokéball in the episode that he met Lapras [[User:G50|태권도]] [[User_talk:G50|합기도]] 11:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

== Inuse ==

Please do not edit pages that have the [[Template:Inuse|Inuse template]] on them until it has been removed. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 15:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== Not cool ==

Oh come on, it's the second time you do it. I specifically put the inuse template so no one will edit it. As I previous said, if I upload an image I take full responsability in uploading it to its coresponding page. Please, let me handle them.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 15:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== Sources ==

Other fansites are ''not'' an acceptable source, especially Serebii. He has stated that he does not want us using him as a source. You've been around long enough that you should know that. Try looking at [[n:Main Page|Bulbanews]] for a change, the scans are linked in the new breaking news twitter feed there. That's a source. Serebii is not. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:00, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Can you actually wait until the actual episode finishes? Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:17, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

== Air dates ==

Please do not add the dub airing dates unless you have a valid source. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 08:16, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thank you for helping me with the Brock's Sudowoodo, James's Mime Jr. I was going to do but I didn't see the episodes where the attacks were used neither wo they "Mimic-ed" so I just did what I did in May's Skitty for obvious reasons. But anyway thanks for your help.--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 13:59, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

==Preview Button==
You edited [[BW096]] eight times in a row today; please remember to use the Preview Button. You have been warned about this in the past so please use it the next time you edit an article. Thank you! --[[User:Mikuri|Mikuri]] ([[User talk:Mikuri|talk]]) 15:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

== Preview Button (3) ==

You have edited [[BW103]] a total of '''11''' times today alone, 5 of them in a row. You have several preview button warnings on your talkpage and they don't appear to be getting through. If you continue to make excessive edits to pages in the future, you'll be placed in a usergroup where you'll be forced to preview before saving any edits. Please try to do better at previewing in the future. Thank you. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 18:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

== Forcepreview ==

You've been told multiple times to use the preview button, and you've continued to make a number of consecutive edits to articles. You're now being forced to use the preview button before saving your edits. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 06:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== Page Edits ==

I come to you just as a fellow user offering some advice, but try not to be so hasty when editing pages. Even in Forcepreview you still edit pages upwards of 3 times or more and in quick succession. When making a page edit the first time, really take advantage of Preview and look over the actual changes you've made. Have you tried the 'Show Changes' part of Preview? This could help you further look at what you changed and it may prevent you from adding redundant information such as [[Super Fang]] and noting Zebstrika's Double Edge in the anime. Take a deep breath and take your time on one edit instead of making several! [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 20:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

== Unblocking Kotetsu's Bio ==

Hey, I wanted to make an edit on Kotetsu's page, but I'm blocked out. Is there anyway you or someone else could unblock it so I could make my edit? --[[User:Firered16|Firered16]] ([[User talk:Firered16|talk]]) 03:16, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
:At the moment, it is protected to new users. If you become autoconfirmed, you could then edit it. For now though, you could just leave an edit request on [[Talk:Cameron (Unova)|the talk page]] or on a member's talk page. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
How do I become autoconfrimed? --[[User:Firered16|Firered16]] ([[User talk:Firered16|talk]]) 03:39, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
:After you make several valid edits and are here for a while, you will become autoconfirmed. For now though, simply drop an edit request on [[Talk:Cameron (Unova)|the talk page]]. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:55, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks. --[[User:Firered16|Firered16]] ([[User talk:Firered16|talk]]) 04:04, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

== Your Pikachu DVD Promo ==

Does it have any type of holofoil pattern on it? Or is it completely non holo? Would you be willing to take a high quality picture of it so that I can check to see if it is any different than what comes in Next Destinies packs? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 15:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

== Preview button ==

You probably know this by now but still, make sure you use the preview button to make sure your edits aren't riddled with simple errors like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Trump_Card_(move)&curid=17430&diff=1828853&oldid=1828850&rcid=1949235 this one]. Thanks for reading.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:THAT mistake was completely untintentional, not that I was hurrying or anything. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

== No Guard ==

The reason the Machamp in that video could hit through Fly is that he has {{a|No Guard}}. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 07:24, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Stone Edge (move)

2013-01-16T07:22:01Z

HeroicJay: And here is some counterevidence

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name=Stone Edge |
jname=ストーンエッジ |
jtrans=Stone Edge|
jtranslit=Sutōn Ejji |
gameimage=Stone Edge.png |
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damagecategory=Physical |
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maxpp=8 |
power=100 |
accuracy=80 |
gen=IV |
category=Tough |
appeal= 2|
jam= 0|
cdesc= Increases judge's voltage by 2 |
appealsc=2 |
scdesc=Earn +2 if the Judge's Voltage goes up. |
tm4=yes |
tm#4=71 |
tm5=yes|
tm#5=71|
na=no |
pokefordex=Stone%20Edge |
touches=no |
protect=yes |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=yes |
flag7=no |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
target=anyadjacent |
footnotes=
}}
'''Stone Edge''' (Japanese: '''ストーンエッジ''' ''Stone Edge'') is a damage-dealing {{type|Rock}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation IV]]. It has been [[TM71]] since Generation IV.

==Effect==
Stone Edge deals damage and has an increased [[critical hit]] ratio.

==Description==
{{movedesc|rock}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|DPPt}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|The user stabs the foe with a sharpened stone. It has a high critical-hit ratio.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|BW}}|The user stabs the target with sharpened stones from below. Critical hits land more easily.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|B2W2}}|The user stabs the foe with sharpened stones from below. It has a high critical-hit ratio.}}
{{movedescentry|PMD{{color2|{{md time color}}|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|T}}{{color2|{{md darkness color}}|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|D}}{{color2|{{md sky color}}|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|S}}|Inflicts damage on the target. It has a high critical-hit rate.}}
{{movedescentry|[[Pokémon Conquest|Conq]]|The user stabs the target with a sharpened stone. It has a high critical-hit ratio.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{{Moveheader/Level|Rock|4}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|074|Geodude|2|Rock|Ground|39|50|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|49|64|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|49|64|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|095|Onix|2|Rock|Ground|49|PtHGSS=54|62|B2W2=46|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|111|Rhyhorn|2|Ground|Rock|45|52|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|112|Rhydon|2|Ground|Rock|45|56|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock|Rock|no|no|B2W2=43|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|208|Steelix|2|Steel|Ground|49|PtHGSS=54|62|B2W2=46}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|213|Shuckle|2|Bug|Rock|no|no|B2W2=49|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|246|Larvitar|2|Rock|Ground|46|50|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|247|Pupitar|2|Rock|Ground|54|60|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|248|Tyranitar|2|Rock|Dark|54|63|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|299|Nosepass|1|Rock|Rock|55|PtHGSS=61|61|B2W2=46|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|337|Lunatone|2|Rock|Psychic|no|no|B2W2=41|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|338|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic|no|no|B2W2=41|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|377|Regirock|1|Rock|Rock|73|73|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|464|Rhyperior|2|Ground|Rock|45|56|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|476|Probopass|2|Rock|Steel|55|PtHGSS=61|61|B2W2=46|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|485|Heatran|2|Fire|Steel|88|88}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|524|Roggenrola|1|Rock|Rock|no|36|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|525|Boldore|1|Rock|Rock|no|48|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|526|Gigalith|1|Rock|Rock|no|48|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|532|Timburr|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|43}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|533|Gurdurr|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|49}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|534|Conkeldurr|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|49}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|639|Terrakion|2|Rock|Fighting|no|67|'''}}
{{Moveentry/Level4|645|Landorus|2|Ground|Flying|no|73}}
{{Movefooter|Rock|4}}

===By [[TM]]===
{{Moveheader/TM|Rock|4||||TM71|TM71}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|028|Sandslash|1|Ground|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|031|Nidoqueen|2|Poison|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|034|Nidoking|2|Poison|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|051|Dugtrio|1|Ground|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|057|Primeape|1|Fighting|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|068|Machamp|1|Fighting|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|074|Geodude|2|Rock|Ground|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|075|Graveler|2|Rock|Ground|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|076|Golem|2|Rock|Ground|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|095|Onix|2|Rock|Ground|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|105|Marowak|1|Ground|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|106|Hitmonlee|1|Fighting|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|107|Hitmonchan|1|Fighting|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|111|Rhyhorn|2|Ground|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|112|Rhydon|2|Ground|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|127|Pinsir|1|Bug|Bug|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|128|Tauros|1|Normal|Normal|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|130|Gyarados|2|Water|Flying|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|139|Omastar|2|Rock|Water|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|141|Kabutops|2|Rock|Water|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|142|Aerodactyl|2|Rock|Flying|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|149|Dragonite|2|Dragon|Flying|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|150|Mewtwo|1|Psychic|Psychic|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|151|Mew|1|Psychic|Psychic|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|185|Sudowoodo|1|Rock|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|195|Quagsire|2|Water|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|207|Gligar|2|Ground|Flying|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|208|Steelix|2|Steel|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|210|Granbull|1|Normal|Normal|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|213|Shuckle|2|Bug|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|214|Heracross|2|Bug|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|217|Ursaring|1|Normal|Normal|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|219|Magcargo|2|Fire|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|221|Piloswine|2|Ice|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|222|Corsola|2|Water|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|232|Donphan|1|Ground|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|237|Hitmontop|1|Fighting|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|244|Entei|1|Fire|Fire|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|246|Larvitar|2|Rock|Ground|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|247|Pupitar|2|Rock|Ground|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|248|Tyranitar|2|Rock|Dark|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|257|Blaziken|2|Fire|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|260|Swampert|2|Water|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|286|Breloom|2|Grass|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|297|Hariyama|1|Fighting|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|299|Nosepass|1|Rock|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|303|Mawile|1|Steel|Steel|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|305|Lairon|2|Steel|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|306|Aggron|2|Steel|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|323|Camerupt|2|Fire|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|324|Torkoal|1|Fire|Fire|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|330|Flygon|2|Ground|Dragon|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|337|Lunatone|2|Rock|Psychic|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|338|Solrock|2|Rock|Psychic|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|340|Whiscash|2|Water|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|346|Cradily|2|Rock|Grass|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|348|Armaldo|2|Rock|Bug|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|359|Absol|1|Dark|Dark|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|369|Relicanth|2|Water|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|373|Salamence|2|Dragon|Flying|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|377|Regirock|1|Rock|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|383|Groudon|1|Ground|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|389|Torterra|2|Grass|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|392|Infernape|2|Fire|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|408|Cranidos|1|Rock|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|409|Rampardos|1|Rock|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|410|Shieldon|2|Rock|Steel|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|411|Bastiodon|2|Rock|Steel|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|423|Gastrodon|2|Water|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|443|Gible|2|Dragon|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|444|Gabite|2|Dragon|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|445|Garchomp|2|Dragon|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|448|Lucario|2|Fighting|Steel|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|450|Hippowdon|1|Ground|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|454|Toxicroak|2|Poison|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|464|Rhyperior|2|Ground|Rock|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|472|Gliscor|2|Ground|Flying|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|473|Mamoswine|2|Ice|Ground|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|475|Gallade|2|Psychic|Fighting|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|476|Probopass|2|Rock|Steel|yes|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|483|Dialga|2|Steel|Dragon|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|484|Palkia|2|Water|Dragon|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|485|Heatran|2|Fire|Steel|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|486|Regigigas|1|Normal|Normal|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|487|Giratina|2|Ghost|Dragon|yes|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|493|Arceus|1|Normal|Normal|yes|yes|''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|499|Pignite|2|Fire|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|500|Emboar|2|Fire|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|524|Roggenrola|1|Rock|Rock|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|525|Boldore|1|Rock|Rock|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|526|Gigalith|1|Rock|Rock|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|532|Timburr|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|533|Gurdurr|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|534|Conkeldurr|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|538|Throh|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|539|Sawk|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|551|Sandile|2|Ground|Dark|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|552|Krokorok|2|Ground|Dark|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|553|Krookodile|2|Ground|Dark|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|555|Darmanitan|1|Fire|Fire|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|557|Dwebble|2|Bug|Rock|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|558|Crustle|2|Bug|Rock|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|564|Tirtouga|2|Water|Rock|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|565|Carracosta|2|Water|Rock|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|566|Archen|2|Rock|Flying|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|567|Archeops|2|Rock|Flying|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|614|Beartic|1|Ice|Ice|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|618|Stunfisk|2|Ground|Electric|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|619|Mienfoo|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|620|Mienshao|1|Fighting|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|622|Golett|2|Ground|Ghost|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|623|Golurk|2|Ground|Ghost|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|625|Bisharp|2|Dark|Steel|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|626|Bouffalant|1|Normal|Normal|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|632|Durant|2|Bug|Steel|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|635|Hydreigon|2|Dark|Dragon|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|638|Cobalion|2|Steel|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|639|Terrakion|2|Rock|Fighting|no|yes|'''}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|640|Virizion|2|Grass|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|643|Reshiram|2|Dragon|Fire|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|644|Zekrom|2|Dragon|Electric|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|645|Landorus|2|Ground|Flying|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|646|Kyurem|2|Dragon|Ice|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|647|Keldeo|2|Water|Fighting|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/TM4|648|Meloetta|2|Normal|Psychic|no|yes}}
{{Movefooter|Rock|4}}

==In the anime==
{{moveanime|type=rock|exp=yes|gen=The user launches summoned rocks at the opponent.|image1=Ash Krokorok Stone Edge.png|image1p=Krokorok|image2=Paul Torterra Stone Edge.png|image2p=Torterra|image3=Brandon Regirock Stone Edge.png|image3p=Regirock|image4=Trip Gurdurr Stone Edge.png|image4p=Gurdurr}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=423|pkmn=Gastrodon|method=Three light blue rings surround Gastrodon's body. Then, the rings glow white and form into chunks of gray stones. Finally, Gastrodon's eyes glow yellow and the stones shoot at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Cynthia|user1=Cynthia's Gastrodon|startcode=DP097|startname=Double Team Turnover!|notes=Debut}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=444|pkmn=Gabite|method=Two light blue rings surround Gabite's body. Then, the rings disappear and two rings of glowing white rocks circle Gabite's body. Gabite's eyes then glow light blue and it fires the stones at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ursula's Gabite|startcode=DP114|startname=Another One Gabites the Dust!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=377|pkmn=Regirock|method=Multiple light blue rings surround Regirock's body. The rings glow white and form into stones the same color as Regirock's body. The braille pattern on Regirock's face glows orange and the rocks fire at the opponent, or Regirock holds out its arms and three small light blue circles appear in front of them. The rings glow white and form into stones the same color as Regirock. The stones then fire at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Brandon's Regis#Regirock|user1=Brandon's Regirock|startcode=DP128|startname=A Pyramiding Rage!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=389|pkmn=Torterra|method=Three or two blue rings surround Torterra's body. Then, the rings glow white and form into chunks of gray stones that circle around Torterra's body. Torterra's eyes then glow green and it fires the stones at the opponent. When its eyes glow brighter, Torterra can control the stones.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Paul's Torterra|startcode=DP131|startname=Pedal to the Mettle!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=472|pkmn=Gliscor|method=Gliscor's eyes glow white and two light blue rings appear around its body. The rings then glow white and form into white stones that spin around Gliscor's body. The white glow then fades into gray rocks. Gliscor then fires the stones at the opponent. Sometimes, its eyes don't even glow at all.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ash's Gliscor|startcode=DP187|startname=A Real Rival Rouser!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=445|pkmn=Garchomp|method=Garchomp crouches its body and two rings of glowing light blue rocks appear and spin around its body. Then, multiple gray rocks are released from the rings at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Cynthia's Garchomp|startcode=DP191|startname=Memories are Made of Bliss!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=551|pkmn=Sandile|method=Sandile's back starts to glow white and multiple orbs of white energy come off its back and float into the air. The orbs then take the shape of a circle and spin around in midair. The white orbs then form into gray stones and the stones then fire at the opponent, or Sandile's body becomes surrounded in white and a ring of white orbs of energy comes out of Sandile's back. The ring then becomes larger and the light fades, the orbs forming into gray pointed stones. Sandile then fires the stones at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Sunglasses Sandile|startcode=BW012|startname=Here Comes the Trubbish Squad!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=552|pkmn=Krokorok|method=Krokorok's body becomes surrounded in white. The white energy then comes off Krokorok's body and forms into two rings of white pointed energy orbs that orbit around its body. The white light then fades around the orbs and they form into multiple gray rocks. Krokorok then fires the rocks at the opponent, sometimes by spinning around. Sometimes, before its body becomes surrounded in white, it raises one of its arms in the air.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ash's Krokorok|startcode=BW020|startname=Dancing With the Ducklett Trio!}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Clay|user1=Clay's Krokorok|startcode=BW061|startname=Battling the King of the Mines!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=524|pkmn=Roggenrola|method=Roggenrola's body becomes outlined in white and two rings of multiple white pointed energy orbs appear and float around Roggenrola's body. The white glow fades when the energy orbs float around it. The white glow then fades on the orbs and form into multiple gray jagged rocks. Roggenrola then lowers its head and fires the stones at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ash's Roggenrola|startcode=BW034|startname=Gotta Catch A Roggenrola!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=533|pkmn=Gurdurr|method=Gurdurr places its steel beam in one hand and crosses its arms across its chest. Its body then becomes surrounded in white energy for a moment and the energy comes off its body in the form of two rings of jagged white energy orbs that float around it. The white energy then fades, forming the orbs into gray jagged stones. Gurdurr then opens its arms and fires the stones at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Trip's Gurdurr|startcode=BW040|startname=Cilan Versus Trip, Ash Versus Georgia!}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Gurdurr (Pokémon)|user1=Unknown Trainer's Gurdurr|startcode=BW089|startname=Iris and the Rogue Dagonite!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=645|pkmn=Landorus|method=Landorus's body becomes outlined in white energy and it open and closes its fingers once. When it does, the white energy comes off its body and forms into multiple jagged white energy that floats around its body in two rings. The white energy then fades off the energy, forming them into multiple jagged gray stones. Landorus then raises its hands forward at the opponent, and the stones fire at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Landorus (Pokémon)|user1=A wild Landorus|startcode=BW060|startname=Stopping the Rage of Legends! Part 2}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=534|pkmn=Conkeldurr|method=Conkeldurr's body becomes surrounded in white energy for a moment and the energy comes off its body in the form of two rings of jagged white energy orbs that float around it. The white energy then fades, forming the orbs into gray jagged stones. Conkeldurr then fires the stones at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Trip's Conkeldurr|startcode=BW071|startname=Search for the Clubultimate!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=639|pkmn=Terrakion|method=Terrakion glows a faint orange and a ring of light forms above it. The light then becomes a ring of multiple sharp stones that spin towards the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Swords of Justice (M15)#Terrakion|user1=Terrakion (M15)|startcode=M15|startname=Kyurem VS. The Sword of Justice}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=553|pkmn=Krookodile|method=Krookodile's body becomes surrounded in white. The white energy then comes off Krookodile's body and forms into two rings of white pointed energy orbs that orbit around its body. The white light then fades around the orbs and they form into multiple gray rocks. Krookodile then fires the rocks at the opponent, sometimes by spinning around.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ash's Krookodile|startcode=BW092|startname=Ash, Iris and Trip: Then There Were Three!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=645T|pkmn=Landorus|method=Landorus forms white circles of energy which quickly become sharp gray stones. It then fires them at the opponent}}
{{movebtm|type=rock|user=Landorus (Pokémon)|user1=A wild Landorus|startcode=BW097‎|startname=Unova's Survival Crisis!}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{movemanga|type=rock|exp=yes|gen=The user throws a pointed stone at the opponent. It has a high Critical-hit ratio.|image1=Jupiter Gastrodon Stone Edge Adventures.png|image1p=Gastrodon}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=423|pkmn=Gastrodon|method=Gastrodon points the front of its body in the air, then to the ground while facing the opponent. Then, a large rock with a pointed edge falls down onto the opponent.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=rock|user=Jupiter|user1=Jupiter's Gastrodon|startcode=PS398|startname=VS. Tangrowth|notes=Debut}}

==In other generations==
{{movegen|
type=Rock|
genIV=Stone Edge IV|
}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{rock color}}|bordercolor={{rock color light}}
|zh_cmn=尖石攻擊 ''{{tt|Jiānshí Gōngjī|Sharp Rock Attack}}''
|nl=Steen Rand
|fr=Lame de Roc
|de=Steinkante
|el=Λιθορινίσματα
|id=Stone Edge Pisau Batu {{tt|*|DP187}}
|it=Pietrataglio
|ko=스톤에지 ''Stone Edge''
|pt_br=Obelisco
|es_la=Filo de Roca (DP Battle Dimension and Galactic Battles) Roca Afilada (DP Sinnoh League Victors - present)
|es_eu=Roca Afilada
|ro=Piatra Ascuțită}}
{{-}}

{{Cross Chop|rock}}
{{Generation IV TMs}}
{{Generation V TMs}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[de:Steinkante]]
[[fr:Lame de Roc]]
[[it:Pietrataglio (mossa)]]
[[ja:ストーンエッジ]]
[[pl:Stone Edge]]
[[pt:Stone Edge (move)]]

Generation V

2013-01-14T19:07:41Z

HeroicJay: /* Trivia */ If this means what I think it means, it's false. Gen2 lasted exactly three years to the day. Gen5, by the time Gen6 comes out, will be about three years and a month.

{{GenInfo
|titlescreen={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0=Black|1=White|2=Black2|3=White2}}
|altname=Monochrome Generation
|primary=Black
|secondary=White
|region=Unova
|otherrpg={{v2|Black and White|s|2}}
|ndex=649
|debuten=March 4, 2011
|debutjp=September 18, 2010
}}

The '''fifth generation''' of Pokémon, known by fans due to its version names as the '''monochrome generation''', is the fifth installment of the Pokémon series. Like previous generations, the first installments, {{game|Black and White|s}}, were released as a pair. However, unlike previous generations, the games were followed by two sequels, {{game|Black and White|s|4=2}} instead of a third version. For the first time since [[Generation I|Generations I]] and [[Generation II|II]], the games were released on the same platform as all five of [[Generation IV|the previous generation]]'s main series titles, in this case the [[Nintendo DS]].

[[Unova]], the new [[region]] introduced in this generation, is known to be far away from the regions of previous generations. Unlike the past four, Unova is based on an area outside of {{wp|Japan}}, drawing inspiration from the {{wp|New York City metropolitan area}}.

The Generation V games are able to communicate with the five [[Generation IV]] games in the same way that the [[Generation III]] games can communicate with the Generation IV games, with players able to transfer Pokémon via a method similar to [[Pal Park]]. Pokémon caught in a Generation III game are able to move forward to Generation V by passing through Generation IV games.

Black and White occur an unknown amount of time after [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]]. The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Machine Part}} makes a {{wp|cameo appearance}}, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. [[Cynthia]] mentions visiting the [[Distortion World]] and being defeated by a {{ga|Lucas|young}} {{ga|Dawn|Trainer}} as Sinnoh League {{pkmn|Champion}}.

Black 2 and White 2 occur two years after the events of Black and White.

==Advances in gameplay==
Being the first games on the same console as their predecessors since [[Generation II]], the Generation V games enhance the Pokémon experience on the DS in several ways. Advancements introduced in Generation V include:
* The addition of 156 {{cat|Generation V Pokémon|new Pokémon}}, bringing the total to 649. No Pokémon from previous generations can be found in Unova itself until after the [[National Pokédex]] is obtained.
* The addition of 92 new [[move]]s, bringing the total to 559.
* The addition of 41 new [[Ability|Abilities]], bringing the total to 164. Many older Pokémon are allowed to have new Abilities, including some that were introduced in [[Generation III]] and [[Generation IV]], by transferring them from the {{pkmn|Dream World}}. This effectively gives most Pokémon three legitimate abilities, rather than the two which have been standard since Generation III.
* Yet another region to explore, the [[Unova]] region, far away from the previous four and based on {{wp|New York City}}, rather than a region of Japan.
* A new [[Villainous teams|villainous team]], [[Team Plasma]], whose goals include separating the worlds of Pokémon and humans to make a black and white world.
* [[Triple Battle]]s and [[Rotation Battle]]s are now a part of gameplay, which are variations of battling like [[Double Battle]]s.
* The introduction of the [[Wonder Launcher]], a new battle mode which can stack with double, triple and Rotation Battles.
* The introduction of {{DL|Tall grass|dark grass}}, where Double Battles against [[wild Pokémon]] can occur.
* The introduction of [[Phenomenon|phenomena]], occurrences which involve wild Pokémon or items moving and making sounds to indicate their position, somewhat similar to the [[Poké Radar]].
* The introduction of [[seasons]], which alternate every month.
* Expanded variance in camera placement, making the cities and towns of Unova more realistic and lifelike. There are also curves in places like [[Castelia City]], [[Dragonspiral Tower]], and the [[Skyarrow Bridge]].
* The [[Poké Mart]] is now combined with the [[Pokémon Center]].
* Introduction of the [[Entralink]], which allows players to visit each other in-game, rather than just inside of the [[Union Room]] or [[the Underground]].
* The new [[Pokémon Global Link]], which allows players to connect their games to the internet to view statistics or download some changes to the games, such as the design of the [[Pokédex]]. This also grants players access to the [[Pokémon Dream World]], where players may befriend Pokémon and send them over to their games.
* [[Weather conditions]] and the current [[time]] are now displayed on the bottom screen during battle when making selections as to what to do during the turn.
* One new variant of Poké Ball, the {{DL|Poké Ball|Dream Ball}}, retaining the 25 found in previous games.
** The [[Apricorn]] Poké Balls and the {{DL|Poké Ball|Sport Ball}} are inaccessible without hacking and do not function as Poké Balls even if acquired; however, Pokémon caught in these Poké Balls in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} retain them when sent to a Generation V game.
* Pokémon now animate constantly throughout battle, rather than simply animating upon exiting a [[Poké Ball]] as in previous generations. These animations are reminiscent of those of {{game|Crystal}}, rather than the two-sprite distortion method that has been the standard since {{game|Emerald}}. The speed at which Pokémon move slows as the {{stat|HP}} goes down and with most [[status ailment]]s, and {{status|frozen}} Pokémon do not move at all.
* When a Pokémon is affected by a status ailment, in addition to slowing movement, it also glows a color depending on the status ailment (except for sleep). When a Pokémon is {{status|asleep}}, it uses a different sprite that depicts it sleeping, usually with its eyes closed.
* The back sprites of Pokémon show the Pokémon's body in full, with their poses and animations being the same as the front sprite, but seen from behind.
* The battle music changes under certain conditions. When one of the player's Pokémon on the battlefield has less than 25% of their HP, the music changes to a faster, more suspenseful music. When battling a [[Gym Leader]]'s last Pokémon, the music also changes.
* The overworld music also changes in certain circumstances. Almost all the routes now have instruments that differ between the seasons, and layers that activate and deactivate when the player walks or stops, respectively; while music that plays in some towns and cities have layers that can be added by talking to citizens. These people can be seen playing different musical instruments like piano, guitar, etc.
* In the Japanese version of the game, the option to display {{wp|kanji}} in game menus and text is available, in addition to {{wp|hiragana}} and {{wp|katakana}} as in the previous four generations.
* In international versions of the game, Pokémon names are displayed with only one capital letter, rather than having all capital letters, as it was prior to Generation V.
* The number of boxes in the [[Pokémon Storage System]] has been increased from 18 to 24. However, players only start with 8 boxes. Additional space is available once the player has placed one captured Pokémon in each of the 8 boxes, then receiving an additional 8 boxes for storage, bringing the total to 16. This cycle continues until the player finally has 24 boxes, for a storage total of 720 Pokémon.
* [[TM]]s have expanded from 92 to 95. Many of the 92 TMs found in Generation IV contain different moves.
** In addition, TMs now have infinite uses, like [[HM]]s.
*** To prevent repeated usage of TMs for the purpose of PP restoration, when a Pokémon forgets a move in order to learn from a TM or HM, the move learned takes on the current {{PP}} of the move replaced (up to its own maximum).
* The number of HMs has been reduced from eight to six. The first four remain the same as during the first four generations; HM05 is now {{m|Waterfall}} and HM06 is now {{m|Dive}}.
* The [[trade|trading]] process has been upgraded: players may now trade Pokémon directly from their [[PC]] boxes, without having to place offered Pokémon in their party first. The [[Global Terminal]] also allows players to trade using this method. Furthermore, players can trade outside of the [[Pokémon Center]] via [[infrared]].
* The expansion of key item registration to include access to several menu screens. After being registered, the player can access a quick access menu by pressing the Y Button.
* While the framerate for the overworld is still 30, the framerate has been increased to 60 for battles, the title screen, and 2D menus. However, the opening only has a framerate of 15.
* When Pokémon are sent out, there is a sound effect and visual effect as they land which varies depending on the [[List of Pokémon by weight|weight]] of the Pokémon (unless it's a Pokémon that stays airborne like {{p|Hydreigon}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}} or {{p|Goldeen}}; or it is {{p|Diglett}} or {{p|Dugtrio}}).

===Alterations from Generation IV===
* The abandonment of [[Pokémon Contest]]s and the [[Pokéathlon]] in favor of the [[Pokémon Musical]], a different type of competition which does not factor in a Pokémon's moves.
* [[Seal]]s and [[Ball Capsule]]s are no longer available for use on [[Poké Ball]]s.
* The {{type|???}} does not exist in this generation. {{m|Curse}} is now a {{type|Ghost}} move.
* {{p|Rotom}}'s appliance forms are now no longer {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon; instead, they are {{t|Electric}} and the type of their special move.
* Pokémon in the [[party]] can no longer [[walking Pokémon|follow the player outside of battle]] in [[Amity Square|any point of the game]].
* The abandonment of encounter rate differences based on the [[time]] of day.
* The option to have the [[Running Shoes]] on at all times, as in HeartGold and SoulSilver, has been removed.
* In the {{DL|Pokémon Center|Wireless Club 2|Wi-Fi Club}}, there is no longer an option to set all Pokémon at level 100.
* Items are displayed in a list format rather than the six-cell pages that were seen in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
* [[Mixing records]] is no longer a feature.
* The persistent bottom-screen menu from {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} is no longer present, as that screen now displays the [[C-Gear]]. The menu is brought up on the touch screen in the same way, though, with X.
* The way some [[key items]] are used, such as the Dowsing Machine, has been altered.
* {{status|Poison}} no longer inflicts damage outside the battle.
* [[Badges]] are no longer necessary in order to use [[HM]] {{OBP|field move|main series}}s.
* The Elite Four no longer have to be battled in a set order.
* [[Shiny Pokémon]] no longer sparkle if they break out of a Poké Ball.
* Many Pokémon have their experience yield changed, which is no longer limited to 255.

===Additions in Black 2 and White 2===
* A sequel pair to the primary pair of games, with an all-new story.
* New attractions, such as [[Pokéstar Studios]] and the [[Pokémon World Tournament]].
* Challenge Mode and Easy Mode, which raise and lower the NPC opponents' Pokémon's strength, respectively.
* All opponent Trainers now have fluidly animated sprites that move before battle.

==Region==
===Unova===
[[File:Unova alt.png|thumb|right|Unova]]
{{main|Unova}}
Like previous generations, another new region, the [[Unova]] region, is introduced in {{game|Black and White|s}}. Unlike the previous four regions, which are relatively close in respect to one another, Unova has been revealed to be distant from them, with the only way to travel between it and the other four being boat or airplane.

====Starter Pokémon====
The starters of the Unova region, like the starters of the previous four regions, follow the Grass-Fire-Water trio, with {{p|Snivy}} the {{type|Grass}}, {{p|Tepig}} the {{type|Fire}}, and {{p|Oshawott}} the {{type|Water}}.

====Gym Leaders====

==={{2v2|Black|White}}===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{Unova color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{Unova color}};" colspan=9 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="9" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Unova League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="6" align="center" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Generation V}}
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="6" align="center" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Unova}}
|-
! colspan="1" style="background: #{{unova color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" colspan="6" | {{color|{{unova color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}};" | {{color|{{unova color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! colspan="3" style="background: #{{unova color light}};" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Type}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Badge}}
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{grass color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSCilan.png]] {{color2|{{grass color dark}}|Cilan}} {{color|{{grass color dark}}|デント Dent}}
| style="background: #{{fire color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSChili.png]] {{color2|{{fire color dark}}|Chili}} {{color|{{fire color dark}}|ポッド Pod}}
| style="background: #{{water color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSCress.png]] {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Cress}} {{color|{{water color dark}}|コーン Corn}}
| style="background:#{{??? color light}}" | {{color2|{{??? color dark}}|Striaton City}} {{color|{{??? color dark}}|サンヨウシティ Sanyou City}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | {{tcolor|Grass|{{grass color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}" | {{tcolor|Fire|{{fire color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" | {{tcolor|Water|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{??? color light}}" | [[File:Trio Badge.png|50px]] {{color|{{??? color dark}}|Trio Badge}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{??? color}}"
{{gldr|type=Normal|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSLenora.png|ldr=Lenora|djap=アロエ|drm=Aloe|loc=Nacrene City|cjap=シッポウシティ|crm=Shippou City|bdg=Basic|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Bug|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSBurgh.png|ldr=Burgh|djap=アーティ|drm=Arty|loc=Castelia City|cjap=ヒウンシティ|crm=Hiun City|bdg=Insect|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Electric|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSElesa.png|ldr=Elesa|djap=カミツレ|drm=Kamitsure|loc=Nimbasa City|cjap=ライモンシティ|crm=Raimon City|bdg=Bolt|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ground|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSClay.png|ldr=Clay|djap=ヤーコン|drm=Yakon|loc=Driftveil City|cjap=ホドモエシティ|crm=Hodomoe City|bdg=Quake|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Flying|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSSkyla.png|ldr=Skyla|djap=フウロ|drm=Huuro|loc=Mistralton City|cjap=フキヨセシティ|crm=Fukiyose City|bdg=Jet|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ice|col=6|tcol=3|pic=VSBrycen.png|ldr=Brycen|djap=ハチク|drm=Hachiku|loc=Icirrus City|cjap=セッカシティ|crm=Sekka City|bdg=Freeze|px=50}}
{{gldrb2|type=Dragon|col=3|tcol=3|pic=VSDrayden.png|ldr=Drayden|djap=シャガ|drm=Shaga{{sup/5|B}}|pic2=VSIris.png|ldr2=Iris|djap2=アイリス|drm2=Iris{{sup/5|W}}|loc=Opelucid City|cjap=ソウリュウシティ|crm=Souryuu City|bdg=Legend|px=50}}
|}
{{-}}
==={{2v2|Black|White|2}}===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{Unova color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{Unova color}};" colspan=7 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="7" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Unova League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="4" align="center" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Generation V}}
! style="background: #{{unova color dark}};" colspan="3" align="center" | {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{unova color light}}|Unova}}
|-
! style="background: #{{unova color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" colspan="4" | {{color|{{unova color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}};" | {{color|{{unova color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}};" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Type}}
! style="background: #{{unova color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Badge}}
|- align="center"
{{gldr|type=Normal|col=4|pic=VSCheren 2.png|ldr=Cheren|djap=チェレン|drm=Cheren|loc=Aspertia City|cjap=ヒオウギシティ|crm=Hiougi City|bdg=Basic|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Poison|col=4|pic=VSRoxie.png|ldr=Roxie|djap=ホミカ|drm=Homika|loc=Virbank City|cjap=タチワキシティ|crm=Tachiwaki City|bdg=Toxic|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Bug|col=4|pic=VSBurgh.png|ldr=Burgh|djap=アーティ|drm=Arty|loc=Castelia City|cjap=ヒウンシティ|crm=Hiun City|bdg=Insect|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Electric|col=4|pic=VSElesa 2.png|ldr=Elesa|djap=カミツレ|drm=Kamitsure|loc=Nimbasa City|cjap=ライモンシティ|crm=Raimon City|bdg=Bolt|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ground|col=4|pic=VSClay.png|ldr=Clay|djap=ヤーコン|drm=Yakon|loc=Driftveil City|cjap=ホドモエシティ|crm=Hodomoe City|bdg=Quake|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Flying|col=4|pic=VSSkyla.png|ldr=Skyla|djap=フウロ|drm=Huuro|loc=Mistralton City|cjap=フキヨセシティ|crm=Fukiyose City|bdg=Jet|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Dragon|col=4|pic=VSDrayden.png|ldr=Drayden|djap=シャガ|drm=Shaga|loc=Opelucid City|cjap=ソウリュウシティ|crm=Souryuu City|bdg=Legend|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Water|col=4|pic=VSMarlon.png|ldr=Marlon|djap=シズイ|drm=Shizui|loc=Humilau City|cjap=セイガイハシティ |crm=Seigaiha City|bdg=Wave|px=50}}
|}
{{-}}


==Discussion of Generation V==
===Unova thematic motif===
The fifth generation of Pokémon games focuses on the relationships between opposites, such as nature and industry or humans and Pokémon. This comes from the concept of Yin and Yang, which the legendary mascots of {{game|Black and White|s}}, {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}}, are based on, with another reference being that Reshiram is the mascot of Black and Zekrom being the mascot of White-- both are opposite colored to the game's color, while version mascots beforehand had always matched. The [[Swords of Justice]] also represent this theme as they are trying to prevent Pokémon from losing their natural habitats to human industry. The generation's main antagonists, [[Team Plasma]], also fit in with this theme, as their goal is to separate Pokémon from humans. Some of the cities also reflect this theme by being aesthetically different depending on the version of the game; two major examples of this are [[Black City]] and [[White Forest]], two version-exclusive locations. The {{pkmn|Dream World}}, which is supposed to combine dreams and reality, also fit into this theme.
==Japanese title screens==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{unova color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{unova color}}"
|- style="text-align: center;"
| style="background: #{{black color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{black color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon Black}}
| style="background: #{{white color light}};" | {{color2|{{white color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Pokémon White}}
| style="background: #{{black 2 color light}};" | {{color2|{{black 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2}}
| style="background: #{{white 2 color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}};" | {{color2|{{white 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon White 2}}
|-
| width="14px" style="background: #{{black color}};" | [[File:Japanese BlackTitle.png]]
| width="14px" style="background: #{{white color}};" | [[File:Japanese WhiteTitle.png]]
| width="14px" style="background: #{{black 2 color}};" | [[File:Japanese Black2Title.png]]
| width="14px" style="background: #{{white 2 color}};" | [[File:Japanese White2Title.png]]
|}

==Trivia==
* The Japanese logo of the Pokémon games was redesigned once again for Generation V's releases; the first logo was used in [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]], and the second during [[Generation III]] and [[Generation IV]].
** The text for the English boxes also received a new design.
* Generation V introduces the most new Pokémon to the series, with 156 (five more than Generation I introduced).
* Generation V is the first generation since Generation I not to introduce any [[baby Pokémon]] or cross-generational relatives.
** Generation V is also the first generation where the number of [[legendary Pokémon]] introduced did not increase from the previous generation. In this case, Generation V introduced 13 legendary Pokémon, and [[Generation IV]] introduced 14 legendary Pokémon if {{p|Phione}} is a legendary Pokémon or 13 legendary Pokémon if it is not.
* Generation V is the only generation where:
** There is only one [[fishing]] rod—the {{DL|Fishing|Super Rod}}—as the {{DL|Fishing|Old Rod}} and {{DL|Fishing|Good Rod}} have been removed.
** The {{game|Black and White|s|primary paired versions}} were released in Europe before North America.
** A single-type Pokémon of every type is introduced.
** More than ten Gym Leaders were introduced.
* Generation V is also the only generation without:
** A new move as an [[HM]]: all six HM moves have previously been available in HMs.
** The introduction of a new [[branched evolution]]: all Generation V Pokémon which can evolve only evolve into one Pokémon species.
** A [[Game Corner]]: this likely is due to changes in European law, which caused the European release of {{game|Platinum}} to lack Game Corner games and caused international versions of {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} to completely alter the Game Corners to feature [[Voltorb Flip]] instead of the traditional slot machines.
** A [[Cycling Road]]: no place in Unova specifically requires the player to ride his or her [[bicycle]].
** All member games occurring at approximately the same time.
** A visit to [[Kanto]] for the player, and the appearance of its regional professor, [[Professor Oak]].
** The introduction of a move that can't be {{m|Sketch}}ed: Generation I introduced {{m|Struggle}}, Generation II introduced Sketch itself, Generation III introduced [[Shadow move]]s, and Generation IV introduced {{m|Chatter}}.
** A solitary [[Version|main series]] game.
** A home console game.
** An enhanced [[remake]] of a main series game from the past two generations; {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} may instead be {{n|Masuda replies to tweet regarding remakes of Generation III games|remade}} for [[Generation VI]].

{{Main series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Games]]

[[de:Fünfte Spielgeneration]]
[[es:Generación V]]
[[fr:Génération#Cinquième génération]]
[[it:Quinta generazione]]
[[ja:第五世代]]

Talk:Klinklang (Pokémon)

2012-12-12T06:05:52Z

HeroicJay: /* Flipped Klinklang */

==Flipped Klinklang==
This was removed as "not notable":

''The smaller gear on Klinklang always appears on the viewer's left, not Klinklang's, whether the front or back sprite is being viewed. The same thing happens to {{p|Klink}} and {{p|Klang}}.''

Why is this not notable? There is mention of sprite errors on {{p|Kakuna}} and {{p|Togepi}}. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 05:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:Because it is shown that in Pokedex 3D that the gears are capable of shifting positions. Also, while we do have ''some'' sprite trivia, we try to avoid it most of the time. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:03, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:: In Pokédex 3D, the smaller gear doesn't suddenly flip over to Klinklang's left side when you look at it from the back! Indeed, it's ''never'' seen on Klinklang's left side in Pokedex 3D. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 06:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Klinklang (Pokémon)

2012-12-12T06:05:16Z

HeroicJay: /* Flipped Klinklang */

==Flipped Klinklang==
This was removed as "not notable":

''The smaller gear on Klinklang always appears on the viewer's left, not Klinklang's, whether the front or back sprite is being viewed. The same thing happens to {{p|Klink}} and {{p|Klang}}.''

Why is this not notable? There is mention of sprite errors on {{p|Kakuna}} and {{p|Togepi}}. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 05:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:Because it is shown that in Pokedex 3D that the gears are capable of shifting positions. Also, while we do have ''some'' sprite trivia, we try to avoid it most of the time. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:03, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:: In Pokédex 3D, the smaller gear doesn't suddenly flip over to Klinklang's left side when you look at it from the back! --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 06:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Klinklang (Pokémon)

2012-12-12T05:50:59Z

HeroicJay: Flipped Klinlklang

Klang (Pokémon)

2012-12-12T05:36:30Z

HeroicJay: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Klink | next=Klinklang | prevnum=599 | nextnum=601 | type=Steel }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Klang |
jname=ギギアル |
tmname=Gigiaru |
size=180px|
art=BW|
pron=<sc>''gi-gi-ah-roo''</sc> |
species=Gear|
typen=1 |
type1=Steel |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Plus |
ability2=Minus |
abilityd=Clear Body |
ndex=600 |
udex=106 |
u2dex=131 |
height-ftin=2'00" |
height-m=0.6 |
weight-lbs=112.4 |
weight-kg=51.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral|
eggcycles=20|
expyield=154 |
lv100exp=1,059,860|
gendercode=255|
color=Gray|
catchrate=60|
evde=2|
body=11 |
pokefordex=klang |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Klang''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ギギアル''' ''Gigiaru'') is a {{type|Steel}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Klink}} starting at [[level]] 38 and evolves into {{p|Klinklang}} starting at level 49.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Klang resembles three gears, with six teeth on the smaller two and eight teeth on the bigger one, interlocking. The teeth of the smaller gears are a light gray, while their central regions are much darker. The teeth of the bigger gear are a medium gray and its central region is also darker. The left eye of the smaller gear is a simple "X", while its right eye is very wide with a black pupil and a white cornea. It has a round green nose and a small mouth that is held wide open. The large gear's left eye is a black square, and its right is a black circle. Its mouth is a sharply angled white frown.

====Gender differences====
Klang are a genderless species.

===Special abilities===
It will fling tiny gears at high speed.

===Behavior===
When angry, its gears rotate faster. They communicate with each other by spinning their gears in different directions.

===Habitat===

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Mannes Klang.png|thumb|200px|Klang in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Klang appeared under the ownership of [[Mannes]] in ''[[M14|White—Victini and Zekrom and Black—Victini and Reshiram]]''.

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon RéBURST manga===
[[File:Gizairu Burst.png|thumb|150px|right|Klang burst in [[Pokémon RéBURST]].]]
A Klang appears as the [[Burst]] form of Gizairu, a character appeared at the [[RB21|start]] of [[Burst Heart Survival]].

==In the TCG==
{{main|Klang (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=steel
|gen=5
|blackdex=By changing the direction in which it rotates, it communicates its feelings to others. When angry, it rotates faster.
|whitedex=Spinning minigears are rotated at high speed and repeatedly fired away. It is dangerous if the gears don't return.
|b2w2dex=A minigear and big gear comprises its body. If the minigear it launches at its foe doesn't return, it will die.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=steel|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=None|
bwarea=Evolve {{p|Klink}} |
b2w2rarity=Unknown|
b2w2area=[[P2 Laboratory]] |
dwarea={{dwa|Icy Cave}}{{tt|*|Only obtainable when using an account connected to Pokémon Black 2 or White 2}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=steel
|rumble2=Factory: [[World Axle - B2F]]
}}

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Steel|
HP= 60 |
Attack= 80 |
Defense=95 |
SpAtk= 70 |
SpDef= 85 |
Speed= 50}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Steel|
Normal= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 0 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 50 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 50 |
Dark= 50 |

notes=yes|
steel=yes|
newpoison=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Klang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|ViceGrip|Normal|Physical|55|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Charge|Electric|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Gear Grind|Steel|Physical|50|85|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|6|Charge|Electric|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Gear Grind|Steel|Physical|50|85|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|21|Bind|Normal|Physical|15|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|26|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Autotomize|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Mirror Shot|Steel|Special|65|85|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|40|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|44|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|48|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|52|Shift Gear|Steel|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|56|Lock-On|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|60|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Klang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Klang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM72|Volt Switch|Electric|Special|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15|||B2W2}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Klang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Klang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Klang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Klang|steel|steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Bind|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Klang|steel|steel|5|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Klang|steel|steel|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Klang|steel|steel|5|5}}

===={{pkmn|Dream World}} moves====
{{learnlist/eventh|Klang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/event5|{{dwa|Icy Cave}}|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/event5|{{dwa|Icy Cave}}|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Klang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Steel |
ndex=600 |
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=2 |
rumble2defense=4 |
rumble2speed=3 |
Pad2=Klang worked hard as a gear with {{p|Klink}} and {{p|Klinklang}} to move the elevator. Klang worked too hard and got tired of working. |
Park2strong= |
Park2weak= |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=599
|name1=Klink
|type1-1=Steel
|evotype1=Level
|level1=38
|sprite2=600
|name2=Klang
|type1-2=Steel
|evotype2=Level
|level2=49
|sprite3=601
|name3=Klinklang
|type1-3=Steel}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=steel |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Klang |
ndex=600
}}

==Trivia==
* Klang and its evolutionary relatives are currently the only pure {{type|Steel}} Pokémon related by [[evolution]].
* Klang and its evolutionary relatives are the only non-{{type|Electric}} Pokémon able to learn {{m|ThunderShock}}.
* The smaller gear on Klang always appears on the viewer's left, not Klang's, whether the front or back sprite is being viewed. The same thing happens to {{p|Klink}} and {{p|Klinklang}}.

===Origin===
Klang is based on interlocking gears, more specifically the {{wp|sun and planet gear}}s. The Klink line's {{Shiny}} coloration may have been based on {{wp|copper}} gears, as their noses have turned green as copper does when it oxidizes into such compounds as {{wp|copper carbonate}}, forming a patina.

====Name origin====
Klang is a corruption of ''clang'' (onomatopoeia for heavy metal striking a surface).

Gigiaru is derived from ''gear'', with ''gi'' repeated once to denote the addition of Klang's third gear.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=steel|type2=steel
|ja=ギギアル ''Gigiaru''|jameaning=From {{tt|ギア ''gia''|gear}}
|fr=Clic|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|clic|click}}''
|es=Klang|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Kliklak|demeaning=German onomatopoeia for moving cogwheels
|it=Klang|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=기기어르 ''Gigieoreu''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=齒輪組 / 齿轮组 ''Chǐlúnzǔ''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|齒輪 ''chǐlún''|gear}} and {{tt|組 ''zǔ''|group}}
}}

 


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Klink | next=Klinklang | prevnum=599 | nextnum=601 | type=Steel }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Kliklak]]
[[es:Klang]]
[[fr:Clic]]
[[it:Baoppu]]
[[ja:ギギアル]]
[[pl:Klang]]

Klink (Pokémon)

2012-12-12T05:35:46Z

HeroicJay: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Ferrothorn | next=Klang | prevnum=598 | nextnum=600 | type=Steel }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Klink|
jname=ギアル |
tmname=Giaru |
size=160px |
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''klink''</sc> |
species=Gear |
typen=1 |
type1=Steel |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Plus |
ability2=Minus |
abilityd=Clear Body |
ndex=599 |
udex=105 |
u2dex=130 |
height-ftin=1'00" |
height-m=0.3 |
weight-lbs=46.3 |
weight-kg=21.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral|
eggcycles=20|
expyield=60 |
lv100exp=1,059,860|
gendercode=255|
color=Gray|
catchrate=130|
evde=1|
body=11 |
pokefordex=klink |
generation=5 |
evde=1|
footnotes=}}
'''Klink''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ギアル''' ''Giaru'') is a {{type|Steel}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Klang}} starting at [[level]] 38, which evolves into {{p|Klinklang}} starting at level 49.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Klink resembles two interlocking gears with six teeth each. The teeth of the gears are a light gray, while the central regions are much darker. Their left eyes are a simple "X", while their right eyes are very wide with a black pupil and a white cornea. They have round turquoise noses and small mouths that are held wide open.

====Gender differences====
Klink are a genderless species.

===Special abilities===

===Behavior===
Once two bodies have decided to join together to form a Klink, they cannot combine with any others or they will become separated.

===Habitat===
Klink live in caves and fields in the [[Unova]] region.

According to the Unova region's {{pkmn|Professor}}, [[Professor Juniper]], the first recorded evidence of this Pokémon dates to around 100 years ago, in the [[Chargestone Cave]]; she believes that they suddenly appeared in the cave at that time.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
As Klink can generate the energy they need in order to live by spinning their gears, it is unknown if they need to eat actual food.

==In the anime==
[[File:Mannes Klink.png|thumb|200px|Klink in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Klink and its evolutions appeared under the ownership of [[Mannes]] in ''[[M14|White—Victini and Zekrom and Black—Victini and Reshiram]]''.

===Minor appearances===
Klink made its TV debut in ''[[BW063|Evolution Exchange Excitement!]]''. A swarm of them appeared inside [[Chargestone Cave]] along with a {{p|Klinklang}}.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW063|Klink|Ash's Pokédex|Klink, the Gear Pokémon. In order for Klink to survive, it produces energy by spinning its twin, interlocking bodies.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Klink (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Steel
|gen=5
|blackdex=The two minigears that mesh together are predetermined. Each will rebound from other minigears without meshing.
|whitedex=Interlocking two bodies and spinning around generates the energy they need to live.
|b2w2dex=Two bodies comprise a fixed pair. They spin around each other to generate energy.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=steel|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Common|
bwarea=[[Chargestone Cave]], [[P2 Laboratory]] |
b2w2rarity=Unknown One|
b2w2area=[[Chargestone Cave]] [[Chargestone Cave]]{{tt|*|N's Pokémon, after using Memory Link with Black and White}}
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=steel
|rumble2=[[Beginner's Park]] Factory: [[Firebreathing Mountain]]
}}

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Steel|
HP= 40 |
Attack= 55 |
Defense=70 |
SpAtk= 45 |
SpDef= 60 |
Speed= 30}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Steel|
Normal= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 0 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 50 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 50 |
Dark= 50 |

notes=yes|
steel=yes|
newpoison=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Klink|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|ViceGrip|Normal|Physical|55|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|6|Charge|Electric|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Gear Grind|Steel|Physical|50|85|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|21|Bind|Normal|Physical|15|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|26|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Autotomize|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Mirror Shot|Steel|Special|65|85|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|39|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|45|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|48|Shift Gear|Steel|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|51|Lock-On|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|54|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Klink|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Klink|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM72|Volt Switch|Electric|Special|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15|||B2W2}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Klink|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Klink|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Klink|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Klink|steel|steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Bind|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Klink|steel|steel|5|5}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Steel |
ndex=599 |
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=1 |
rumble2defense=3 |
rumble2speed=3 |
Pad2=He worked as a gear moving the elevator in the warehouse, but now he is free to enjoy his life. |
Park2strong= |
Park2weak= |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=599
|name1=Klink
|type1-1=Steel
|evotype1=Level
|level1=38
|sprite2=600
|name2=Klang
|type1-2=Steel
|evotype2=Level
|level2=49
|sprite3=601
|name3=Klinklang
|type1-3=Steel}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=steel |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Klink |
ndex=599
}}

==Trivia==
* Klink and its evolutionary relatives are currently the only pure {{type|Steel}} Pokémon related by [[evolution]].
* Klink represents {{wp|June}} in the [[Unova]] [[horoscope]].
* Klink and its evolutionary relatives are the only non-{{type|Electric}} Pokémon able to learn {{m|ThunderShock}} and {{m|Charge}}.
* The upper gear on Klink always appears on the viewer's left, not Klink's, whether the front or back sprite is being viewed. The same thing happens to {{p|Klang}} and {{p|Klinklang}}.

===Origin===
Klink is based on a pair of interlocking gears, more specifically either {{wp|Gear#Spur|spur}}, {{wp|Gear#Helical|helical}}, or {{wp|Herringbone gear|herringbone}} gears. The Klink line's {{Shiny}} coloration may have been based on {{wp|copper}} gears, since their noses have turned green as copper does when it oxidizes into such compounds as {{wp|copper carbonate}}, forming a patina. Klink also resembles the simplest concept of the perpetual motion machine, as it is just two gears which repeatedly spin each other.

====Name origin====
Klink is a corruption of ''clink'' (onomatopoeia for light metal striking a surface). It may also involve ''link'', possibly referring to how the two gears are connected.

Giaru is derived from ''gear''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=steel|type2=steel
|ja=ギアル ''Giaru''|jameaning=From {{tt|ギア ''gia''|gear}}
|fr=Tic|frmeaning=From {{tt|''tictac''|tick tock}}
|es=Klink|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Klikk|demeaning=From {{tt|''Klick''|click}}
|it=Klink|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=기어르 ''Gieoreu''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=齒輪兒 / 齿轮儿 ''Chǐlún'ér''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|齒輪 ''chǐlún''|gear}} and {{tt|兒 ''ér''|child}}
}}

 


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Ferrothorn | next=Klang | prevnum=598 | nextnum=600 | type=Steel }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Klikk]]
[[es:Klink]]
[[fr:Tic]]
[[it:Klink]]
[[ja:ギアル]]
[[pl:Klink]]

Klinklang (Pokémon)

2012-12-12T05:34:59Z

HeroicJay: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Klang | next=Tynamo | prevnum=600 | nextnum=602 | type=Steel }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Klinklang |
jname=ギギギアル |
tmname=Gigigiaru |
size=250px |
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''gee-gee-gee-ah-roo''</sc> |
species=Gear |
typen=1 |
type1=Steel |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Plus |
ability2=Minus |
abilityd=Clear Body |
ndex=601 |
udex=107 |
u2dex=132 |
height-ftin=2'00" |
height-m=0.6 |
weight-lbs=178.6 |
weight-kg=81.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral|
eggcycles=20|
expyield=234 |
lv100exp=1,059,860|
gendercode=255|
color=Gray|
catchrate=30|
evde=3|
body=11 |
pokefordex=klinklang |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Klinklang''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ギギギアル''' ''Gigigiaru'') is a {{type|Steel}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Klang}} starting at [[level]] 49. It is the final form of {{p|Klink}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Klinklang looks identical to its pre-evolution, {{p|Klang}}, except for the additions of a red-topped gear on its lower side and a thin, spiked rim below it.

====Gender differences====
Klinklang are a genderless species.

===Special abilities===

===Behavior===
Klinklang charges energy by spinning its red-topped gear and releases it through the spiked gear at the bottom. Its red core functions as an energy tank and if spun at high speed, it will result in a rapid energy change.

===Habitat===

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Klinklang anime.png|250px|thumb|right|Klinklang in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Klinklang appeared in ''[[M14|White—Victini and Zekrom and Black—Victini and Reshiram]]'' with {{p|Klink}} and {{p|Klang}} under the ownership of [[Eindoak Town]] mayor [[Mannes]]. He used the three for various tasks, such as powering the music machine at Eindoak Town's Harvest Festival, doing yard work on his property and finally, powering his helicopter in the climax of the films.

Klinklang made its anime TV debut in ''[[BW063|Evolution Exchange Excitement!]]''. One appeared in [[Chargestone Cave]], where it had a pen that was left behind by [[Cedric Juniper]] stuck in its gears. The same Klinklang later appeared in a flashback in ''[[BW065|Battling the Bully!]]'', when it was revealed that the [[Ash's Krookodile|Sunglasses Krokorok]] threw the pen into its gears by accident.

===Minor appearances===
Two Klinklang make a brief cameo in [[BW102]] powering two separate helicopters. One of them appeared again in [[BW103]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW063|Klinklang|Ash's Pokédex|Klinklang, the Gear Pokémon and the final evolved form of Klink. Klinklang uses its spikes to fire charged energy into its environment, using its red core as an energy tank.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{FB|Subway Boss|Ingo}} has a Klinklang which was seen next to him while {{adv|White}} was testing the [[Battle Subway]].

==In the TCG==
{{main|Klinklang (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=steel
|gen=5
|blackdex=Its red core functions as an energy tank. It fires the charged energy through its spikes into an area.
|whitedex=The gear with the red core is rotated at high speed for a rapid energy charge.
|b2w2dex=The minigear spins at high speed. Then the energy from the red core charges the minigear to make it ready to fire.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=steel|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=None|
bwarea=Evolve {{p|Klang}} |
b2w2rarity=Unknown|
b2w2area=[[P2 Laboratory]] |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=steel
|rumble2=Factory: [[World Axle - B2F]] Cave: All{{tt|*|Zekrom encounter}}
}}

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Steel|
HP= 60 |
Attack= 100 |
Defense=115 |
SpAtk= 70 |
SpDef= 85 |
Speed= 90}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Steel|
Normal= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 0 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 50 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 50 |
Dark= 50 |

notes=yes|
steel=yes|
newpoison=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Klinklang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|ViceGrip|Normal|Physical|55|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Charge|Electric|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Gear Grind|Steel|Physical|50|85|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|6|Charge|Electric|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|11|ThunderShock|Electric|Special|40|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|16|Gear Grind|Steel|Physical|50|85|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|21|Bind|Normal|Physical|15|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Autotomize|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Mirror Shot|Steel|Special|65|85|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|40|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|44|Discharge|Electric|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|48|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|54|Shift Gear|Steel|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|60|Lock-On|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|66|Zap Cannon|Electric|Special|120|50|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|72|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Klinklang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Klinklang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM72|Volt Switch|Electric|Special|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15|||B2W2}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Klinklang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Klinklang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Klinklang|Steel|Steel|5|5}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Klinklang|steel|steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Bind|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Magnet Rise|Electric|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Klinklang|steel|steel|5|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Klinklang|steel|steel|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Klinklang|steel|steel|5|5}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Steel |
ndex=601 |
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=3 |
rumble2defense=4 |
rumble2speed=3 |
Pad2=Klinklang was moving the elevator with {{p|Klink}} and {{p|Klang}}. Despite his clunky appearance, Klinklang is easily moved to tears. |
Park2strong= |
Park2weak= |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=599
|name1=Klink
|type1-1=Steel
|evotype1=Level
|level1=38
|sprite2=600
|name2=Klang
|type1-2=Steel
|evotype2=Level
|level2=49
|sprite3=601
|name3=Klinklang
|type1-3=Steel}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=steel |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Klinklang |
ndex=601
}}

==Trivia==
* Klinklang and its evolutionary relatives are the only pure {{type|Steel}} Pokémon related by [[evolution]].
* Klinklang and its evolutionary relatives are the only non-{{type|Electric}} Pokémon able to learn {{m|ThunderShock}}.
* Klinklang is the same height as its {{p|Klang|pre-evolution}}.
* The smaller gear on Klinklang always appears on the viewer's left, not Klinklang's, whether the front or back sprite is being viewed. The same thing happens to {{p|Klink}} and {{p|Klang}}.

===Origin===
Klinklang is based on interlocking gears, more specifically a combination of {{wp|sun and planet gear}}s, a {{wp|bevel gear}} and an {{wp|Gear#External vs. internal gears|external gear}}. The {{p|Klink}} line's {{Shiny}} coloration may have been based on {{wp|copper}} gears, as their noses have turned green as copper does when it oxidizes into such compounds as {{wp|copper carbonate}}, forming a patina.

====Name origin====
Klinklang is a combination of ''{{p|Klink}}'' and ''{{p|Klang}}'', making it also a combination of ''clink'' and ''clang'' (onomatopoeia for metal striking a surface). It may also involve ''link'', possibly referring to how the four gears are connected.

Gigigiaru is derived from ''gear'', with ''gi'' repeated twice to denote the addition of Klang's fourth gear.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=steel|type2=steel
|ja=ギギギアル ''Gigigiaru''|jameaning=From {{tt|ギア ''gia''|gear}}
|fr=Cliticlic|frmeaning=From a corruption of ''{{tt|cliquetis|clatter}}''. Also a pun on ''{{tt|Tic|French name of Klink}}'' and ''{{tt|Clic|French name of Klang}}''.
|es=Klinklang|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Klikdiklak|demeaning=German onomatopoeia for moving cogwheels
|it=Klinklang|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=기기기어르 ''Gigigieoreu''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=齒輪怪 / 齿轮怪 ''Chǐlúnguài''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|齒輪 ''chǐlún''|gear}} and {{tt|怪 ''guài''|monster, freak}}
}}

 


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Klang | next=Tynamo | prevnum=600 | nextnum=602 | type=Steel }}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Klikdiklak]]
[[es:Klinklang]]
[[fr:Cliticlic]]
[[it:Klinklang]]
[[ja:ギギギアル]]
[[pl:Klinklang]]

Pokémon Yellow Version

2012-09-25T05:55:12Z

HeroicJay: Sorry, this is just silly. It's the only one - except for that other one - out of four? I don't really see how that's notable.

{{Infobox_game | colorscheme=yellow|bordercolorscheme=yellow
|name=Pokémon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition
|jname=ポケットモンスターピカチュウ
|boxart=Pokemon Yellow boxart.jpg
|caption=Pokémon Yellow Version's boxart, [[version mascot|depicting]] {{p|Pikachu}}.
|jbox=PokemonYellowJapanese.png
|jcaption=Boxart of Pocket Monsters Pikachu.
|platform=[[Game Boy]]{{tt|*|Enhanced for the Super Game Boy in all releases and for the Game Boy Color outside of Japan}}
|category=RPG
|players=2 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[Link cable]]
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation I]] [[version|main series]]
|cero=A
|esrb=E
|pegi=3+
|oflc=G8+
|release_date_ja=September 12, 1998<ref>[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gb-pikachu/ Pokémon.co.jp]</ref>
|release_date_na=October 1, 1999<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/us/games/videogame-pokemontm-yellow-special-pikachu-edition/ Pokémon.com (US)]</ref>
|release_date_au=September 3, 1999<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20000614202450/http://www.nintendo.com.au/games/gameboy/games/pokemon_yellow.html Nintendo of Australia (archive)]</ref>
|release_date_eu=June 16, 2000<ref>[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/games/gb/pokmon_yellow_version.html Nintendo of Europe]</ref>
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/gb-pikachu/ Pokémon.co.jp] [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/apsj/ Nintendo.co.jp]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-yellow-special-pikachu-edition/ Pokémon.com] [http://web.archive.org/web/20071101085051/http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=m-Game-0000-319 Nintendo.com]
}}

{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon Yellow}}

'''Pokémon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターピカチュウ''' ''Pocket Monsters Pikachu''), often known as '''Pokémon Yellow Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター {{tt|黄|き}}''' ''Pocket Monsters Yellow''), is the third Pokémon game released worldwide, as a [[version|follow up]] to and expansion on {{game|Red and Blue|s}}. In Japan, the game was the fourth Pokémon game released, as a follow up to {{game2|Red|Green|Blue}} intended to buy [[Game Freak]] time to rework the then-upcoming [[Generation II]] games.

Similar to {{game|Red and Blue|s}}, Yellow arrived towards the end of the [[Game Boy]]'s lifespan. It managed, though, to receive the title of second best-selling non-bundled game for its console, losing only to its predecessors.

==Changes from Red, Green, and Blue==
===Aesthetic changes===
* The front Pokémon sprites have all been updated to resemble how they appear in their then-current [[Ken Sugimori]] artwork usually used in promotional images and strategy guides for {{game2|Red|Green|Blue}}, as well as some of them resembling how they appear in the {{pkmn|anime}}. The back sprites are the same as the previous games.
* Some Trainer sprites were also redone. {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Blue}} now better resemble their stock art for [[Generation I]], as the Pokémon sprites do. [[Brock]] wears an outfit like his [[Brock (anime)|anime counterpart]]'s and [[Misty]]'s bikini was changed to a shirt and shorts similar to those worn by [[Misty (anime)|hers]], albeit without suspenders.
* [[Kanto]] is slightly redesigned a second time, featuring different designs for doors, signposts, windows and other minor elements. The biggest overhaul was performed on [[Cerulean Cave]], the game's final dungeon, where the layout was once more changed.

===Location changes===
Obtaining the starters from Red, Green, and Blue is possible through in-game events:
* A girl in [[Cerulean City]] will give the {{player}} a {{p|Bulbasaur}} if the player's Pikachu has a high [[friendship]].
* A boy at the north of {{rt|24|Kanto}} gives the player a {{p|Charmander}}.
* An [[Officer Jenny]] in [[Vermilion City]] will give the player a {{p|Squirtle}} after the {{Badge|Thunder}} has been acquired.

===Gameplay changes===
* {{p|Pikachu}} is the only [[starter Pokémon]] the {{player}} can have, and [[walking Pokémon|travels with the player]] on-screen, outside of a [[Poké Ball]] like {{OP|Ash|Pikachu}}. The {{ga|Blue|rival}} starts with {{p|Eevee}}, and the three normal [[Kanto]] starters can be obtained later in the game.
** Furthermore, no other wild Pikachu can be found, thus requiring the player to trade a Pikachu from another [[Generation I]] game or [[Generation II]] game to obtain another one. A traded Pikachu will also not behave like the starter Pikachu, acting as a regular Pokémon instead (even to the point of being able to evolve with a {{DL|Evolutionary stone|Thunderstone}}), unless it matches the [[Original Trainer|OT]] and [[Trainer ID number]] of the player.
** The [[cry]] of the starter Pikachu, or any Pikachu with the same OT and Trainer ID number of the player for that matter, is changed to "Pika!" when going in battle, "Chaaaaa!" if it faints, or "Pikachu" on the status screen, instead of the original {{p|Pikachu}} cry.
** The rival will eventually [[Evolution|evolve]] his Eevee (and thus affect which are the other members of his party) depending on the player's actions early in the game:
*** If the player beats the rival at both [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|Oak's Lab]] and the early optional battle at {{rt|22|Kanto}}, Eevee evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}.
*** If the player loses one of these two battles or passes up the Route 22 battle, Eevee evolves into {{p|Flareon}}.
*** If the player loses at Oak's Lab, and loses or passes up the Route 22 battle, Eevee evolves into {{p|Vaporeon}}.
* [[List of in-game trades|In-game trades]] are changed to different Pokémon.
* [[Level]]-up learnsets and [[TM]] compatibility are altered slightly for certain Pokémon. {{p|Charizard}}, for example, can now learn {{m|Fly}} via [[HM02]].
* A minimal [[friendship]] system is implemented to track how Pikachu feels about the player and Pikachu will refuse to evolve. This would later be revamped in [[Generation II]], where the system is vastly improved and applies to all Pokémon.
* [[Gym Leader]]s have different teams, some based on those that appear in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
* Enhanced compatibility with the [[Game Boy Color]] is present outside of Japan, providing color palette changes as the player switches locations, whereas the Japanese version is similar to the previous [[Generation I]] games in where it only has [[Super Game Boy]] support. The ability to print out Pokédex entries using the [[Game Boy Printer]] was also implemented in every regional release.
* Several [[glitch]]es were disabled, and all [[glitch Pokémon]] were altered because the data which was read incorrectly to create them had changed.
* A {{m|Surf}}ing Pikachu minigame, [[Pikachu's Beach]], is included. However, to play this the player will have to first teach {{p|Pikachu}} {{m|Surf}}, which requires the use of {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}.
* The location and availability of some [[wild Pokémon]] allows the player to experience the game in a manner similar to the anime.
** In the anime, {{Ash}} catches a {{p|Caterpie}} and a {{p|Pidgeotto}} in [[Viridian Forest]]. This is reflected in-game as Caterpie (but not {{p|Weedle}}) and Pidgeotto are both available in Viridian Forest for the player to catch. This is the only instance in [[Generation I]] where a Pidgeotto can be caught at a level earlier than {{p|Pidgey}} would evolve into it.
** The Pokémon that [[Team Rocket]] use ({{p|Koffing}}, {{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Meowth}} and their evolutions) are not available to be caught in the wild. It would be unlikely that Ash would catch these Pokémon in the anime as they are the primary antagonists.
** Wild Pikachu and {{p|Raichu}} are not available, as Pikachu is the player's starter Pokémon (furthermore, it is unlikely that Ash would catch another Pikachu or a Raichu).

===Storyline changes===
* [[Jessie]] and [[James]] appear and are involved in [[Team Rocket]]'s scheme, and typically appear before the {{player}} battles [[Giovanni]]. They also replace the three Team Rocket members in the [[Pokémon Tower]] that hold [[Mr. Fuji]] hostage as well as two {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}s: one close to the exit of [[Mt. Moon]] and the other one near the entrance to the President's room at [[Silph Co.]] Curiously, they are never referred to by their individual names and share their [[Trainer class]] with any other Team Rocket Grunt, possibly due to [[Double Battle]]s not being implemented until much later in [[Generation III]].

===Pokémon unobtainable in Yellow===
The following Pokémon are not obtainable in Pokémon Yellow. In order to obtain any of the below Pokémon, they must be traded from one of the paired versions of [[Generation I]], or from [[Generation II]], which has that Pokémon available, which will be indicated.

Note that "'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}'''" indicates a Pokémon that can be caught in the [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Japanese Green]], and thus in the [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|English Blue]] as well. "'''{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''" indicates a Pokémon obtainable in the [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Japanese Blue]].

{| align="center" style="background: #{{yellow color}}; {{roundy|1em}}; border: 5px solid #{{yellow color light}};"
|-
! Yellow
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{yellow color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentry|013|Weedle|2|Bug|Poison|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|014|Kakuna|2|Bug|Poison|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|015|Beedrill|2|Bug|Poison|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|023|Ekans|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|024|Arbok|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|026|Raichu|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|052|Meowth|1|Normal||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|053|Persian|1|Normal||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|109|Koffing|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|110|Weezing|1|Poison||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|124|Jynx|2|Ice|Psychic|'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}{{color|{{green color}}|G}}{{color|{{blue color}}|B}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric||'''{{color|{{red color}}|R}}'''}}
{{Moveentry|126|Magmar|1|Fire||'''{{color|{{green color}}|G}}'''}}
|}
|}

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
Unlike other games, Yellow was inspired by the {{pkmn|anime}}, and thus, instead of having a choice between {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, and {{p|Squirtle}}, {{player}}s are forced to start off with a {{p|Pikachu}} that [[Professor Oak]] caught on {{rt|1|Kanto}}. With the {{ga|Blue|rival}} beginning with an {{p|Eevee}}, the player now journeys from [[Pallet Town|Pallet]] to go through an all-new experience—with no {{t|Grass}}-, {{t|Fire}}-, or {{type|Water}}s to fall back on until each member of the [[Kanto]] starter trio is given to the player later on, about a quarter of the way through the game.

Much like before, players journey across Kanto from their hometown, Pallet Town, defeating the eight [[Gym Leader]]s ([[Brock]] and [[Misty]] do not join the player, unlike in the anime) and eventually the [[Elite Four]].

[[Team Rocket]] battles feature yet another special, anime-based surprise, as [[Jessie]] and [[James]] show up, along with their Pokémon, {{TP|Jessie|Ekans}}, {{TP|James|Koffing}}, and {{MTR}}. Beyond these changes, the plot of Yellow is very similar to that of {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}}.

==Blurb==
"You've finally been granted your [[Pokémon Trainer]]'s license, and now you're on your way to becoming the world's greatest Pokémon Trainer! The shockingly-cute {{p|Pikachu}} [[walking Pokémon|tags along]] behind {{Player|you}} as you search the enormous world for monsters to train and evolve. Face off against {{p|Blastoise}}'s torrential water cannons. Stand strong when facing {{p|Pidgeot}}'s stormy {{m|Gust}}. Develop the ultimate Pokémon strategy to defeat the eight [[Gym Leader]]s and become the greatest [[Pokémon Master]] of all time!"

==Connectivity==
As well as reprising the ability to allow players to trade Pokémon between two cartridges via a [[Game Boy]] [[link cable]], Yellow also debuted a new link battle mode, Colosseum 2. While battling another player's Pokémon team had been possible since the release of {{game|Red and Green|s}} two years before Yellow's release, Yellow introduced several regulations in Colosseum 2 mode. Battle modes introduced include the [[Pika Cup]] (for Pokémon between [[level]]s 15 to 20 only; their combined level limit is 50), [[Petit Cup]] (for Pokémon between [[level]]s 15 to 20, heights under 6'8" (2m), and weights less than 44.1 lbs (20 kg) only) and [[Poké Cup]] (for Pokémon between [[level]]s 50 to 55 only, and the sum of all entered Pokémon's levels cannot exceed 155. {{p|Mew}} is not allowed). These three cups would later become standard cups in [[Pokémon Stadium (English)|Pokémon Stadium]].

==Reception==
Like {{game|Red and Blue|s}}, Pokémon Yellow was also well received by the press. Like its predecessors, it received a perfect 10/10 "Masterful" rating from IGN.<ref>[http://gameboy.ign.com/objects/012/012045.html IGN: Pokemon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> However, it was criticized as being "just a stopgap to help us wait for the [[Generation II|real sequels]]".<ref>[http://reviews.cnet.com/legacy-game-platforms/pokemon-yellow-game-boy/4505-9882_7-30965879-2.html?tag=txt;page Pokemon Yellow (Game Boy) Legacy game platform reviews - CNET Reviews] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Yellow received a slightly lower average score than {{game|Red and Blue|s}} of about 85% on GameRankings. Despite this, it was the site's top rated [[Game Boy]] game in the year of its release, 1999.<ref>[http://www.gamerankings.com/gameboy/198314-pokemon-yellow-version-special-pikachu-edition/index.html Pokemon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition for Game Boy] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref>

==Comparison to the anime==
The game is loosely based on the original anime series, but has several differences:
* [[Brock]] does not surrender during the [[Pewter Gym]] battle and does not accompany the {{player}} thereafter.
* [[Misty]] is first encountered in the [[Cerulean Gym]]. In the {{pkmn|anime}}, she had left the Gym when {{Ash}} met her.
* {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, and {{p|Squirtle}} are acquired from tasks. In the anime, Charmander is rescued from heavy rain, Squirtle merely follows Ash, and Bulbasaur was caught.
* {{p|Meowth}} can use {{m|Pay Day}} and does not speak in the game.
* Bulbasaur and Squirtle are able to evolve in the game.

==English title==
[[File:Pokemon Yellow Version.jpg|thumb|200px|An English version game cartridge of Pokémon Yellow]]
While the game's title has become widely accepted as simply ''Pokémon Yellow'', its officially recognized name outside of Japan is not entirely certain. On the boxart for most English versions, the expression ''Special Pikachu Edition'' replaces the series' then-current slogan ''[[Gotta Catch 'em All!]]'' below the Pokémon logo, while ''Yellow Version'' is at the bottom, near where Red and Blue had theirs. However, the expression ''Special Pikachu Edition'' is repeated on the box's opening and spine.

Despite this, the instruction manual refers to the game as "the Yellow version of Pokémon", the [[Red (game)|player]] has the option of being called Yellow, following the trends of the other versions, and ''Yellow Version'' can be seen at the game's title screen.

==Trivia==
* The opening of Pokémon Yellow features the fewest number of Pokémon out of all main series games, fittingly showing ''only'' {{p|Pikachu}}.
* {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, which implemented the [[walking Pokémon]] mechanic that was introduced in Yellow, were released in Japan exactly 11 years after this game was released in Japan.
* Pokémon Yellow is the first [[main series]] Pokémon game to depict two {{pkmn|Trainer}}s ([[Jessie]] and [[James]]) in a battle sprite. Despite this, Double Battles would not be a mechanic in the games until [[Generation III]].
* Pokémon Yellow is the only [[Generation I]] game in Japanese where a message describing the current progress of a [[saving|save]] in course appears, unlike the international versions, where such behavior is present in all games of the [[generation]].
* Pokémon Yellow is the first game to allow the {{player}} to walk into the [[Tall grass|grass]] without any Pokémon, though [[Professor Oak|Prof. Oak]] intervenes after taking two steps into the grass; the second being {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.
* If a {{player}} [[Cheating|cheats]] to obtain another {{p|Pikachu}} and releases the one they started with, the new Pikachu will continue to follow the player as if it were the original. In addition, the new Pikachu will refuse to evolve into {{p|Raichu}}. This shows that the game recognizes any Pikachu whose [[original Trainer]] is the current player as the {{pkmn2|starter}} (this is normally fine, as no other Pikachu can be obtained in the game without trading). If one of the new Pikachu is released, the "active" Pikachu will have a disappointed expression for a limited time.
* The two available starter Pokémon of this game, {{p|Pikachu}} ({{ga|Red|player}}) and {{p|Eevee}} ({{ga|Blue|rival}}), are the only Pokémon introduced prior to [[Generation V]] to evolve with a {{DL|Evolutionary stone|Thunderstone}}.
* This is the only game in [[Generation I]] where {{p|Lickitung}} and {{p|Farfetch'd}} can be caught in the wild; in {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}}, these Pokémon are only available by means of an [[list of in-game trades|in-game trade]].
* This is the only game prior to [[Generation III]] to lack the [[Gotta catch 'em all!|slogan]] below the Pokémon logo.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{Yellow color}}|bordercolor={{Yellow color light}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターピカチュウ
|fr_eu=Pokémon Version Jaune
|de=Pokémon Gelbe Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Gialla
|es_eu=Pokémon Edición Amarilla}}

==References==
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{{Main series}}
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Game Boy games]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Yellow|*]]
[[Category:Third versions]]

[[pt:Pokémon Yellow]]

[[de:Pokémon Special Pikachu Edition]]
[[es:Pokémon Edición Amarilla]]
[[fr:Pokémon Jaune]]
[[it:Pokémon Giallo]]
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[[pl:Pokémon Yellow]]

Pokémon Center (store)

2012-08-08T20:17:17Z

HeroicJay: /* Alderwood Mall */ As noted on the Talk page, this no longer exists.

[[File:Tokyo Pokemon Center exterior.jpg|Exterior of the Tokyo Pokémon Center|thumb|right|300px]]
'''Pokémon Centers''' are retail stores that sell official [[Pokémon merchandise]]. Japanese stores are operated by [[The Pokémon Company]], while mall kiosks in the Seattle, Washington, area of the United States are run by [[The Pokémon Company International]].

==Products==
Pokémon Center stores sell many kinds of Pokémon merchandise. This includes [[Pokémon games]], [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG cards]], {{pkmn|anime}} videos and DVDs, {{pkmn|manga}} volumes, [[CD]]s, and a wide array of products such as clothes, accessories, bedding, sporting equipment, dishes, musical instruments, and toys. For a gallery of merchandise, see [[a:Category:Merchandise|Bulbagarden Archives]].

==Current stores==
===Japan===
From east to west:
====Sapporo====
[[File:Pokémon Center Sapporo logo.jpg|117px|right]]
* Open:
** July 1, 2005 - October 2, 2005
** July 1, 2006 - October 29, 2006
** from March 6, 2008
* 北海道札幌市中央区北3条西1-2-9 札幌全日空ホテル内1階
* Sapporo ANA Hotel 1F, West 1-2-9 Kita-3-jō, Chūō Ward, Sapporo City, Hokkaido Prefecture, Hokkaido Region
* Phone: 0120-049-725 (Pokémon Customer Support Center)

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====Tohoku====
[[File:Pokémon Center Tohoku logo.png|117px|right]]
* Opened December 4, 2011
* Third floor, Aer building, 1-3-1 Chūō, Aoba Ward, Sendai City, Miyagi Prefecture, Tohoku Region
* Opened as a part of the [[Pokémon with You]] campaign

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====Tokyo====
[[File:Pokémon Center Tokyo logo.png|117px|right]]
* Opened July 16, 2007
* 東京都港区海岸1-2-3 汐留芝離宮ビルディング2F
* Second floor, Shiodome-Shiba Rikyū building, Kaigan 1-2-3, Minato Ward, Tokyo City, Tokyo Prefecture, Kanto Region

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====Yokohama====
[[File:Pokémon Center Yokohama logo.gif|117px|right]]
* Opened March 5, 2005
* 神奈川県横浜市西区みなとみらい2-2-1 ランドマークプラザ4F
* Landmark Plaza 4F, 2-2-1 Minato-Mirai, Nishi Ward, Yokohama City, Kanagawa Prefecture, Kanto Region
* Phone: 045-222-5533

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====Nagoya====
[[File:Pokémon Center Nagoya logo.gif|117px|right]]
* Opened October 22, 2002
* 愛知県名古屋市東区東桜1丁目11番地1号オアシス21
* Oasis 21, 1-11-1 Higashi-Sakura, Higashi Ward, Nagoya City, Aichi Prefecture, Chubu Region
* Phone: 052-950-0758

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====Osaka====
[[File:Pokémon Center Osaka logo.png|117px|right]]
* Opened November 26, 2010
* 大阪府大阪市北区梅田3-1-1 大丸梅田店13F
* Daimaru Umeda 13F, 3-1-1 Umeda, Kita Ward, Osaka City, Osaka Prefecture, Kansai Region
* Phone: 06-6346-6002

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====Fukuoka====
[[File:Pokémon Center Fukuoka logo.gif|117px|right]]
* Opened November 1, 2003
* 福岡県福岡市博多区博多駅中央街1番1号 JR博多シティ8Ｆ（アミュプラザ博多内）
* 8/F JR Hakata City, 1-1 Hakataekichūōgai, Hakata Ward, Fukuoka City, Fukuoka Prefecture, Kyushu Region
* Phone: 092-413-5185

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===USA===
{{incomplete|section|Missing the closing information for the Alderwood Mall}}
====Seattle, Washington====
The Pokémon Company International is headquartered in [[wp:Bellevue, Washington|Bellevue]], a city that neighbors [[wp:Seattle, Washington|Seattle]].

=====Northgate Mall=====
[[File:Pokémon Center Northgate.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Pokémon Center kiosk in the Northgate Mall in October 2010]]
* Opened summer 2010
* 401 NE Northgate Way, Seattle, Washington, 98125

This standalone kiosk in the mall's common area is a vending machine that sells five types of {{OBP|Poké Doll|plush}}s, several [[Monster Collection]] figures, trading cards, and [[Nintendo DS]] games. It also features interactive games and a Pokédex for visitors to play with.

=====Alderwood Mall=====
* Opened November 2010
* 3000 184th Street SW, Lynnwood, Washington, 98037

This shop was the larger of the two Seattle-area shops, but it was still in the mall common area and limited in size. It featured a larger vending machine kiosk, a tower of Poké Dolls and DX Poké Dolls, and [[The Pokémon Company International]] employees who answered questions and rang up sales. It closed in the summer of 2012.

====Tacoma, Washington====
=====Tacoma Mall=====
* Opened ???
* 4502 S Steele St # 1177, Tacoma, WA 98409

This shop is located in the mall common area. It features two vending machines, each offering a selection of up to ten Poké Dolls, the five [[Nintendo DS]] Pokémon games, thirteen miniature [[Monster Collection]] figures, seven different packs of trading cards, and five full decks of trading cards. The stand also includes two large displays of Poké Dolls, varying in sizes from 6" to 12", as well as a variety of other [[Pokémon merchandise]]. Each of the machines are also equipped with several interactive games as well as a touch-screen Pokédex for visitors to enjoy. The stand is watched and operated by one to two [[The Pokémon Company International]] employees, who help make sure the machines are running alright, answer questions, and ring up the sales of merchandise located outside of the vending machines.

====New York, New York====
=====New York (Nintendo World Store)=====
* Opened November 16, 2001
* 10 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, 10020
* Phone: (212) 307-0900

In January 2005, Pokémon Center New York closed for remodeling. It reopened as a general Nintendo store called [[wp:Nintendo World Store|Nintendo World]] on May 14, 2005, no longer as a Pokémon-exclusive store. However, there is a section on the ground floor devoted to the franchise, where there is a large selection of Pokémon [[Pokémon games|video games]], [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|trading cards]], [[Poké Doll (plush)|dolls]] (which are either imports from Japan or old dolls from the old Pokémon Center), figures, DVDs, clothes and apparel, and other [[Pokémon merchandise|merchandise]]. Sometimes there might be Pokémon candies or edible foods available. On December 19, 2010, near Christmas time, there was a larger selection of Pokédolls and other collectibles. An event was held at the Nintendo World Store to celebrate the releases of [[Pokémon Black and White Versions]]. It also had Pokémon Black and White pre-orders available.

On the floor above is the merchandise of other Nintendo franchises; such as Mario, Kirby, and the Legend of Zelda; including t-shirts and exclusive Nintendo World collectibles. The store also sells video game strategy guides and issues of Nintendo Power. There are game stations where visitors may demo Wii, DS, and 3DS games, including demos of some of the Pokémon games.

==Previous stores==
===Japan===
====Tokyo====
[[File:Pokémon Center Tokyo logo old.gif|right]]
* Opened April 25, 1998
* Closed July 16, 2007
* 東京都中央区日本橋3-2-5 川崎定徳ビル別館1F
* Kawasaki Teitoku Building Annex 1F, 3-2-5 Nihombashi, Chūō Ward, Tōkyō Metropolis
* Phone: 03-5200-0707

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====Osaka====
[[File:Pokémon Center Osaka logo old.gif|117px|right]]
* Opened November 14, 1998
* Closed November 23, 2010
* 大阪府大阪市北区中崎西2-4-12 梅田センタービルB1F
* Umeda Center Building B1F, 2-4-12 Nakazaki-Nishi, Kita Ward, Ōsaka City, Ōsaka Prefecture
* Phone: 06-6373-8080

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==Temporary stores==
===Japan===
====Central Japan International Airport====
[[File:Airport pokemon center 2011-2012.png||115px|right]]
* Opened December 26th, 2011
* Closed January 5th 2011
* Central Japan International airport 4F, Tokoname, Aichi, Japan

This store will sell original Pokèmon merchandise and play bingo games.

==Online==
[[File:Pokémon Center online.png|right|thumb|The Pokémon Center North America site the day before closing]]
Online stores were available for Japan and North America, as well as an online store which is currently accessible via mobile phones in Japan. Around mid-January 2008, the Pokémon Center online store in North America displayed a closing message, encouraging shoppers to take advantage of closing sales, because the store would be closing at the end of the month. The store did close effective February 1st, but kept a Q & A site in place of the actual store. The reason given for the closing was: "Pokémon USA, Inc. (now part of [[The Pokémon Company International]]) has decided to sell Pokémon merchandise exclusively through its retail partners." The site continued to accept product returns that met their product return standards and were postmarked by February 21st of that year. Now if one visits [http://pokemoncenter.com pokemoncenter.com], it will redirect to [[Pokémon.com|the Pokémon website]].

==Trivia==
* Every logo uses at least one [[starter Pokémon]], and the franchise mascot, {{p|Pikachu}}.

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Retail stores]]
[[de:Pokémon Center]]
[[ja:ポケモンセンター (店舗)]]

Talk:Pokémon Center (store)

2012-07-23T19:06:08Z

HeroicJay: /* The Alderwood Mall Pokémon Center */

Just a thought. Mightn't a picture of the fronts of each store (Surely they exist. I can provide Nagoya if nothing else) look good here? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 08:26, 14 Feb 2005 (GMT)

:Of course it's a good idea, although I wouldn't pull the ones from the pokemon.co.jp site - that's pushing fair use a little too far... - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 08:56, 14 Feb 2005 (GMT)

::Is it? Why would it be beyond fair use? We're advertising the places, aren't we? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 10:04, 14 Feb 2005 (GMT)

:::I suppose we could take them. But the case for photos is more shaky, I think, because those are obtainable without infringement. - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 11:24, 14 Feb 2005 (GMT)

== PokémonCenter.com North America ==

I was thinking I would make a seperate article for the North America Site, but that might be pointless. Oh, and I also have a bunch of screenshots of the site when it was still active, do you think I could put one up of the main site either in aforementioned seperate article or on the main article?--[[User:Heracross42|Heracross42]] 17:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

== Sapporo ==

The Bulbanews article has a different logo to the one on this page. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 09:40, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:Article updated accordingly. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

==Trivia now invalid==

With the new logo for the Central Japan airport not featuring a starter Pokèmon, I believe this is now invalid, although I'm sure it could be changed slightly to still fit the requirement. --[[User:BaileyPlaysPokemon|BaileyPlaysPokemon]] 20:18, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Pikachu was a starter in Yellow, wasn't he? --[[File:Spr b 4d 390.png]] [[User:Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.|Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.]] [[ 18:36, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== Name ==

Could we put in the trivia something about the name being similar to Pokémon Centers in the video games? I just can't word what we'd put in the article.--[[File:Spr b 4d 390.png]] [[User:Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.|Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.]] [[ 18:34, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== The Alderwood Mall Pokémon Center ==

Currently the Alderwood Mall Pokémon Center has been taken down. I visited the mall the other day and it's no longer there. Should we edit the page to reflect this?

Also, I heard mention from a Gamestop employee (there's one right next to where it was) that they're planning on putting a single vending machine like there is at the Northgate Mall, but that's just hearsay so it's definitely not worth the edit.

[[User:Tellis|Tellis]] ([[User talk:Tellis|talk]]) 19:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
:If the store isn't there at the present time I would say to fix the article to reflect this. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 19:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::I live near the Alderwood Mall and can vouch for its closing in late June or early July; I know nothing of any vending machine they may have replace it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 19:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Electric (type)

2012-06-14T06:39:38Z

HeroicJay: /* Trivia */ Ties with Ghost (Pawniard and Bisharp) and loses to Dragon (nothing has double resistance to Dragon).

{{types}}
The '''Electric type''' (Japanese: '''でんきタイプ''' ''Electric type'') is one of the seventeen [[type]]s. Notable Trainers that specialize in Electric-type Pokémon are [[Lt. Surge]] of [[Vermilion City]], [[Wattson]] of [[Mauville City]], [[Volkner]] of [[Sunyshore City]], and [[Elesa]] of [[Nimbasa City]]. Prior to Generation IV, where moves are designated [[Physical move|physical]] or [[Special move|special]] based on the move itself rather than its type, all Electric-type moves were special.

==Statistical averages==
===Overall===
{{BaseStatNoCat|
type=electric|
HP=62.45 |
Attack=69.32 |
Defense=66.11 |
SpAtk=80.61 |
SpDef=72.73 |
Speed=81.27 |
Total=432.50 }}

===Fully evolved===
{{BaseStatNoCat|
type=electric|
HP=71.41 |
Attack=78.11 |
Defense=78.07 |
SpAtk=90.33 |
SpDef=86.26 |
Speed=90.85 |
Total=495.04 }}


==Battle properties==
{{typebattle
|type=Electric
|weakto1=Ground
|resist1=Electric
|resist2=Flying
|resist3=Steel
|weaken1=Flying
|weaken2=Water
|resisted1=Dragon
|resisted2=Electric
|resisted3=Grass
|noeffect1=Ground
}}

==Characteristics==
===Offense===
Electric-type Pokémon often have high {{stat|Speed}} and {{stat|Special Attack}} stats making many of them good Special sweepers. Electric-type's ability to hit the very common {{type|Water}} and {{type|Flying}} types Super Effectively is important for many offensive Pokémon. Despite a lack of reliable powerful moves, {{m|Thunderbolt}} is one of the most commonly used moves due to its mix of power, accuracy and type coverage. {{m|Thunder}} also sees common usage on {{m|Rain Dance}} based teams due to its perfect accuracy in rain. Additionally, {{m|Thunder Wave}}, being one of the most reliable forms of inducing paralysis, is commonly seen on a wide variety of defensive Pokémon. The resistances to the Electric-type are also largely redundant, with the obvious exception of the {{type|Ground}} type's immunity.

===Defense===
On average, Electric types have average {{stat|Defense}} and above average {{stat|Special Defense}}. As a single type, Electric is one of only two types to have only one weakness, the other being {{type|Normal}}. The downside to this is that Ground attacks are very common types offensively. While they also have a small number of resistances, many dual typed Electrics have secondary types giving them a large total number of resistances, such as {{p|Magnezone}} who, along with its pre-evolved forms, has the most resistances of all Pokémon. Also {{p|Eelektross}} and its family, pure Electric-type Pokémon, have the Ability {{a|Levitate}} effectively giving them no weaknesses. Regardless, the two resistances (other than themselves) are rarely used offensively.

===Contest Properties===

In Contests, Electric-type moves are usually [[Cool Contest|Cool]]; no Electric-type move is considered [[Tough Contest|Tough]].

==Pokémon==
As of Generation V, there are 39 Electric-type Pokémon or 6.01% of all Pokémon, making it tied with the {{t|Dark}} type as the twelfth most common type.

===Pure Electric-type Pokémon===
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|-
|025
|{{MSP|025|Pikachu}}
|{{p|Pikachu}}
|-
|026
|{{MSP|026|Raichu}}
|{{p|Raichu}}
|-
|081
|{{MSP|081|Magnemite}}
|{{p|Magnemite}}{{tt|*|Generation I}}
|-
|082
|{{MSP|082|Magneton}}
|{{p|Magneton}}{{tt|*|Generation I}}
|-
|100
|{{MSP|100|Voltorb}}
|{{p|Voltorb}}
|-
|101
|{{MSP|101|Electrode}}
|{{p|Electrode}}
|-
|125
|{{MSP|125|Electabuzz}}
|{{p|Electabuzz}}
|-
|135
|{{MSP|135|Jolteon}}
|{{p|Jolteon}}
|-
|172
|{{MSP|172|Pichu}}
|{{p|Pichu}}
|-
|179
|{{MSP|179|Mareep}}
|{{p|Mareep}}
|-
|180
|{{MSP|180|Flaaffy}}
|{{p|Flaaffy}}
|-
|181
|{{MSP|181|Ampharos}}
|{{p|Ampharos}}
|-
|239
|{{MSP|239|Elekid}}
|{{p|Elekid}}
|-
|243
|{{MSP|243|Raikou}}
|{{p|Raikou}}
|-
|309
|{{MSP|309|Electrike}}
|{{p|Electrike}}
|-
|310
|{{MSP|310|Manectric}}
|{{p|Manectric}}
|-
|311
|{{MSP|311|Plusle}}
|{{p|Plusle}}
|-
|312
|{{MSP|312|Minun}}
|{{p|Minun}}
|-
|403
|{{MSP|403|Shinx}}
|{{p|Shinx}}
|-
|404
|{{MSP|404|Luxio}}
|{{p|Luxio}}
|-
|405
|{{MSP|405|Luxray}}
|{{p|Luxray}}
|-
|417
|{{MSP|417|Pachirisu}}
|{{p|Pachirisu}}
|-
|466
|{{MSP|466|Electivire}}
|{{p|Electivire}}
|-
|522
|{{MSP|522|Blitzle}}
|{{p|Blitzle}}
|-
|523
|{{MSP|523|Zebstrika}}
|{{p|Zebstrika}}
|-
|602
|{{MSP|602|Tynamo}}
|{{p|Tynamo}}
|-
|603
|{{MSP|603|Eelektrik}}
|{{p|Eelektrik}}
|-
|604
|{{MSP|604|Eelektross}}
|{{p|Eelektross}}
|}
|}

===Half Electric-type Pokémon===
''Primary Electric-type Pokémon''
{| {| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{electric color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}};"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" align="center" class="sortable" style="background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{electric color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|-style="background: #{{electric color light}};"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|081
|{{MSP|081|Magnemite}}
|{{p|Magnemite}}{{tt|*|Generation II onwards}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
|082
|{{MSP|082|Magneton}}
|{{p|Magneton}}{{tt|*|Generation II onwards}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
|145
|{{MSP|145|Zapdos}}
|{{p|Zapdos}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|462
|{{MSP|462|Magnezone}}
|{{p|Magnezone}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
| rowspan="11" |479
|{{MSP|479|Rotom}}
|{{p|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479O|Rotom}}
| rowspan="5" |{{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|Generation IV}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479W|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479R|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479F|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479L|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479O|Rotom}}
| rowspan="5" |{{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|Generation V onwards}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
|-
|{{MSP|479W|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|{{MSP|479R|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|{{MSP|479F|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|{{MSP|479L|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
|-
|587
|{{MSP|587|Emolga}}
|{{p|Emolga}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|642
|{{MSP|642|Thundurus}}
|{{p|Thundurus}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|}
|}

''Secondary Electric-type Pokémon''
{| {| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{electric color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}};"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" align="center" class="sortable" style="background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{electric color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|-style="background: #{{electric color light}};"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|170
|{{MSP|170|Chinchou}}
|{{p|Chinchou}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
|-
|171
|{{MSP|171|Lanturn}}
|{{p|Lanturn}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
|-
|595
|{{MSP|595|Joltik}}
|{{p|Joltik}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
|-
|596
|{{MSP|596|Galvantula}}
|{{p|Galvantula}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
|-
|618
|{{MSP|618|Stunfisk}}
|{{p|Stunfisk}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
|-
|644
|{{MSP|644|Zekrom}}
|{{p|Zekrom}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
|}
|}

==Moves==
{{movelist/battle-head|Electric}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Bolt Strike|Physical||130|85|5|anyadjacent|The user charges at its target, surrounding itself with a great amount of electricity. It may leave the target with paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|3|Charge|Status|Smart|—|—|20|self|The user boosts the power of the Electric move it uses on the next turn. It also raises the user's Sp. Def stat.}}
{{movelist/battle|4|Charge Beam|Special|Beauty|50|90|10|anyadjacent|The user attacks with an electric charge. The user may use any remaining electricity to raise its Sp. Atk stat.}}
{{movelist/battle|4|Discharge|Special|Cool|80|100|15|alladjacent|A flare of electricity is loosed to strike the area around the user. It may also cause paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Electro Ball|Special||Varies|100|10|anyadjacent|The user hurls an electric orb at the target. The faster the user is than the target, the greater the damage.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Electroweb|Special||55|95|15|adjacentfoes|The user captures and attacks opposing Pokémon by using an electric net. It reduces the targets' Speed stat.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Fusion Bolt|Physical||100|100|5|anyadjacent|The user throws down a giant thunderbolt. This attack does greater damage when influenced by {{mcolor|Fusion Flare|000|an enormous flame}}.}}
{{movelist/battle|4|Magnet Rise|Status|Cute|—|—|10|self|The user levitates using electrically generated magnetism for five turns.}}
{{movelist/battle|3|Shock Wave|Special|Cute|60|—|20|anyadjacent|The user strikes the target with a quick jolt of electricity. This attack cannot be evaded.}}
{{movelist/battle|2|Spark|Physical|Cool|65|100|20|anyadjacent|The user throws an electrically charged tackle at the target. It may also leave the target with paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|Thunder|Special|Cool|120|70|10|anyadjacent|A wicked thunderbolt is dropped on the target to inflict damage. It may also leave the target with paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|4|Thunder Fang|Physical|Smart|65|95|15|anyadjacent|The user bites with electrified fangs. It may also make the target flinch or leave it with paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|Thunder Wave|Status|Cool|—|100|20|anyadjacent|A weak electric charge is launched at the target. It causes paralysis if it hits.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|Thunderbolt|Special|Cool|95|100|15|anyadjacent|A strong electric blast is loosed at the target. It may also leave the target with paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|ThunderPunch|Physical|Cool|75|100|15|anyadjacent|The target is punched with an electrified fist. It may also leave the target with paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|ThunderShock|Special|Cool|40|100|30|anyadjacent|A jolt of electricity is hurled at the target to inflict damage. It may also leave the target with paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Volt Switch|Special||70|100|20|anyadjacent|After making its attack, the user rushes back to switch places with a party Pokémon in waiting.}}
{{movelist/battle|3|Volt Tackle|Physical|Cool|120|100|15|anyadjacent|The user electrifies itself, then charges. It causes considerable damage to the user and may leave the target with paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Wild Charge|Physical||90|100|15|anyadjacent|The user shrouds itself in electricity and smashes into its target. It also damages the user a little.}}
{{movelist/battle|2|Zap Cannon|Special|Cool|120|50|5|anyadjacent|The user fires an electric blast like a cannon to inflict damage and cause paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle-foot|Electric}}

==Trivia==
* Every generation has introduced at least one Electric-type Pokémon whose name begins with the letter E.
* The only type combination that is doubly weak to Electric-type attacks, {{2t|Water|Flying}}, has had at least one Pokémon introduced every generation: {{p|Gyarados}}, {{p|Mantine}}, {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}}, {{p|Mantyke}}, {{p|Ducklett}}, and {{p|Swanna}}.
* The three Pokémon that have had their types changed between [[generation]]s ({{p|Magnemite}}, {{p|Magneton}}, and {{p|Rotom}}'s {{DL|Form differences|Rotom|alternate forms}}) are all part Electric type.
* There is an Electric-type Gym Leader in every region except for [[Johto]], which lacks an Electric-specialist Gym due to [[Kanto]] also being accessible in games featuring Johto.
* Generation III is the only generation in which all new Electric types are single-type Pokémon.
** However, in Generation I, all {{p|Zapdos|non-legendary}} Electric-type Pokémon had pure Electric typing, as {{p|Magnemite}} and {{p|Magneton}} did not adopt a {{t|Steel|secondary type}} until Generation II.
* Generation V introduced the most Electric-type Pokémon of any Generation, with 11 and Generation III introduced the least Electric-type Pokémon, with four.
* Prior to Generation V, there were no Pokémon that 4× resisted Electric-type attacks. {{p|Zekrom}} and {{p|Rotom}}'s {{DL|Form differences|Rotom|mow form}} are the only Pokémon to do so.
* Generation V introduced the most Electric-type moves of any Generation, with six and Generation II introduced the least Electric-type moves, with two.

==In other languages==
{{langtable
|color={{electric color}}|bordercolor={{electric color light}}
|ja=でんき (電気) ''Denki''
|zh_cmn=電 / 电 ''Diàn'' 電氣 / 电气 ''Diànqì''
|nl=Elektrisch
|fi=Sähkö
|fr=Electrik
|da=Elektrisk
|de=Elektro
|no=Elektrisk
|el=Ηλεκτρισμού ''Ilektrismou''
|he=חשמל ''Hashmal''
|id=Listrik
|it=Elettro
|ko=전기 ''Jeon'gi''
|pl=Elektryczny
|pt_br=Elétrico
|pt_eu=Eléctrico
|ru=Электрический ''Elektricheskii''
|es=Eléctrico
|ro=Electricitate
}}

[[pt:Tipo Elétrico]]

[[de:Elektro (Typ)]]
[[es:Tipo Eléctrico]]
[[fr:Électrique]]
[[it:Elettro (tipo)]]
[[ja:でんき]]
[[pl:Elektryczny (typ)]]

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

2012-06-08T22:59:36Z

HeroicJay: /* So seriously, what's the definition? */

==What???==
What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:im not going to say its unnessecary, but "Psuedo-legendary" sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a "Competitive Battling Project" thing. I do believe I heard the term "Pseudo-legendary" at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]

::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie

:::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== Flygon? ==

I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonair? ==

CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Aggron ==

What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User talk:Kpokefan|P]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|F]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==

Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pseudo-legendary --> Powerhouse ==

It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.

Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.

It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).

::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

absolutly, my old car was nicknamed "the powerhouse" but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, "powerhouse" is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics!

::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).

::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.

::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term "pseudo-legendary" is the usage of "legendary." There are Pokémon that are "legendary" which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon "qualify" has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones "deserve" to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Title Trouble ==

Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it "powerhouse" '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine ==
Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== 600 stat point total a requirement? ==

Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk
::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true "Base" stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

=={{p|Lucario}}==
Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line,
two types, as well as a base stat total of 600.
:::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==
Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Inbalance ==

Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== New table ==
'''Here:'''
{| align="center" style="background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252"
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}
! colspan="4" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;"| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:149.png]] '''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:248.png]] '''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:373.png]] '''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:376.png]] '''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:445.png]] '''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{typecolor|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:148.png]] {{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:247.png]] {{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:372.png]] {{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:375.png]] {{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:444.png]] {{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:147.png]] {{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:246.png]] {{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:371.png]] {{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:374.png]] {{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:443.png]] {{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|}
*[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Available only as their first form. ==

The article states that "Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum."

However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 "most", or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy?

I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kingdra ==

It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Base Stat total trivia ==

On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Stats ==

I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like "at least 600"? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==

Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}

:Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Ash's Larvitar ==

It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,"Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family." or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::From my previous comment on the matter:
::::::''Its article is named as such'' [ie. "Ash's Larvitar"] ''for the sake of simplicity''
:::::We can't very well call the article "the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him" or something. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there

== Addition of Charizard ==
I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

== Kibago ==

Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Dratini==
Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because "Legendary Pokemon" is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wrong. Trivia must be "on topic". You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

== Metagross is used in Gen V ==

Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

== Ononokus ==

Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}

== Two types really necessary? ==

I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should "define" a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Ulgamoth ==

This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a "legendary" because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being "strong" has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes "has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100". Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::In other words, think of it this way:

::::::-Non-legendary.
::::::-Evolves atleast once.
::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.
::::::-Dual typed.
::::::-Slow Experience group.

::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.

:::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== METAGROSS ==

In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== Did anyone mention... ==
that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.
:It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
: : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Coincidences. ==

Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

== Slaking ==

I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means "resembling a legendary", and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are "like legendaries", we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. "The fandom" is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean "like legendary", it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). "The fandom" refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

== So seriously, what's the definition? ==

As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
: PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called "Pikachu Clones" back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as "Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve." Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the "mono-" part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.
:::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?
:::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.
:::::The "three-stage evolutionary family" thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying "not legendary", but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of "pseudolegendaries", so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.
:::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)
:::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say "Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary"... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of "means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon"), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.
:::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

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==What???==
What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:im not going to say its unnessecary, but "Psuedo-legendary" sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a "Competitive Battling Project" thing. I do believe I heard the term "Pseudo-legendary" at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]

::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie

:::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== Flygon? ==

I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonair? ==

CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Aggron ==

What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User talk:Kpokefan|P]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|F]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==

Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pseudo-legendary --> Powerhouse ==

It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.

Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.

It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).

::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

absolutly, my old car was nicknamed "the powerhouse" but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, "powerhouse" is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics!

::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).

::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.

::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term "pseudo-legendary" is the usage of "legendary." There are Pokémon that are "legendary" which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon "qualify" has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones "deserve" to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Title Trouble ==

Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it "powerhouse" '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine ==
Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== 600 stat point total a requirement? ==

Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk
::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true "Base" stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

=={{p|Lucario}}==
Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line,
two types, as well as a base stat total of 600.
:::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==
Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Inbalance ==

Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== New table ==
'''Here:'''
{| align="center" style="background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252"
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}
! colspan="4" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;"| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:149.png]] '''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:248.png]] '''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:373.png]] '''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:376.png]] '''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:445.png]] '''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{typecolor|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:148.png]] {{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:247.png]] {{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:372.png]] {{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:375.png]] {{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:444.png]] {{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:147.png]] {{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:246.png]] {{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:371.png]] {{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:374.png]] {{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:443.png]] {{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|}
*[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Available only as their first form. ==

The article states that "Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum."

However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 "most", or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy?

I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kingdra ==

It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Base Stat total trivia ==

On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Stats ==

I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like "at least 600"? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==

Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}

:Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Ash's Larvitar ==

It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,"Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family." or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::From my previous comment on the matter:
::::::''Its article is named as such'' [ie. "Ash's Larvitar"] ''for the sake of simplicity''
:::::We can't very well call the article "the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him" or something. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there

== Addition of Charizard ==
I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

== Kibago ==

Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Dratini==
Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because "Legendary Pokemon" is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wrong. Trivia must be "on topic". You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

== Metagross is used in Gen V ==

Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

== Ononokus ==

Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}

== Two types really necessary? ==

I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should "define" a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Ulgamoth ==

This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a "legendary" because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being "strong" has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes "has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100". Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::In other words, think of it this way:

::::::-Non-legendary.
::::::-Evolves atleast once.
::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.
::::::-Dual typed.
::::::-Slow Experience group.

::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.

:::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== METAGROSS ==

In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== Did anyone mention... ==
that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.
:It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
: : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Coincidences. ==

Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

== Slaking ==

I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means "resembling a legendary", and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are "like legendaries", we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. "The fandom" is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean "like legendary", it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). "The fandom" refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

== So seriously, what's the definition? ==

As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
: PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called "Pikachu Clones" back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as "Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve." Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the "mono-" part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.
:::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?
:::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.
:::::The "three-stage evolutionary family" thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying "not legendary", but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of "pseudolegendaries", so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.
:::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)
:::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say "Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary"... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

2012-06-01T18:33:12Z

HeroicJay: /* So seriously, what's the definition? */ And a factual error fix. Sorry about this.

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

2012-06-01T18:32:28Z

HeroicJay: /* So seriously, what's the definition? */ Just a minor tweak to this sentence is all

==What???==
What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:im not going to say its unnessecary, but "Psuedo-legendary" sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a "Competitive Battling Project" thing. I do believe I heard the term "Pseudo-legendary" at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]

::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie

:::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== Flygon? ==

I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonair? ==

CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Aggron ==

What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User talk:Kpokefan|P]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|F]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==

Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pseudo-legendary --> Powerhouse ==

It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.

Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.

It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).

::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

absolutly, my old car was nicknamed "the powerhouse" but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, "powerhouse" is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics!

::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).

::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.

::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term "pseudo-legendary" is the usage of "legendary." There are Pokémon that are "legendary" which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon "qualify" has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones "deserve" to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Title Trouble ==

Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it "powerhouse" '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine ==
Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== 600 stat point total a requirement? ==

Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk
::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true "Base" stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

=={{p|Lucario}}==
Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line,
two types, as well as a base stat total of 600.
:::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==
Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Inbalance ==

Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== New table ==
'''Here:'''
{| align="center" style="background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252"
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}
! colspan="4" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;"| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:149.png]] '''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:248.png]] '''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:373.png]] '''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:376.png]] '''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:445.png]] '''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{typecolor|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:148.png]] {{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:247.png]] {{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:372.png]] {{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:375.png]] {{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:444.png]] {{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:147.png]] {{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:246.png]] {{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:371.png]] {{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:374.png]] {{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:443.png]] {{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|}
*[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Available only as their first form. ==

The article states that "Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum."

However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 "most", or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy?

I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kingdra ==

It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Base Stat total trivia ==

On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Stats ==

I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like "at least 600"? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==

Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}

:Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Ash's Larvitar ==

It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,"Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family." or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::From my previous comment on the matter:
::::::''Its article is named as such'' [ie. "Ash's Larvitar"] ''for the sake of simplicity''
:::::We can't very well call the article "the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him" or something. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there

== Addition of Charizard ==
I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

== Kibago ==

Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Dratini==
Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because "Legendary Pokemon" is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wrong. Trivia must be "on topic". You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

== Metagross is used in Gen V ==

Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

== Ononokus ==

Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}

== Two types really necessary? ==

I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should "define" a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Ulgamoth ==

This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a "legendary" because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being "strong" has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes "has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100". Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::In other words, think of it this way:

::::::-Non-legendary.
::::::-Evolves atleast once.
::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.
::::::-Dual typed.
::::::-Slow Experience group.

::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.

:::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== METAGROSS ==

In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== Did anyone mention... ==
that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.
:It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
: : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Coincidences. ==

Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

== Slaking ==

I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means "resembling a legendary", and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are "like legendaries", we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. "The fandom" is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean "like legendary", it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). "The fandom" refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

== So seriously, what's the definition? ==

As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
: PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called "Pikachu Clones" back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as "Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve." Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the "mono-" part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.
:::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?
:::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.
:::::The "three-stage evolutionary family" thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying "not legendary", but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of "pseudolegendaries", so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.
:::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''8'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)
:::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say "Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary"... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

2012-06-01T18:31:07Z

HeroicJay: /* So seriously, what's the definition? */

==What???==
What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:im not going to say its unnessecary, but "Psuedo-legendary" sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>P</big>o<big>k</big>e''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''<big>m</big>a<big>n</big>i<big>a</big>c''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''<big>1</big>''''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''''0''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|'''''<big>2</big>''''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|'''''♪]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|<big>♫</big>''''']] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a "Competitive Battling Project" thing. I do believe I heard the term "Pseudo-legendary" at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]

::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie

:::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== Flygon? ==

I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Dragonair? ==

CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

:the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Aggron ==

What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|K]][[User talk:Kpokefan|P]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|F]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==

Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pseudo-legendary --> Powerhouse ==

It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.

Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.

It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).

::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

:Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

absolutly, my old car was nicknamed "the powerhouse" but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, "powerhouse" is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics!

::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).

::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.

::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term "pseudo-legendary" is the usage of "legendary." There are Pokémon that are "legendary" which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon "qualify" has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones "deserve" to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Title Trouble ==

Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it "powerhouse" '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Arcanine ==
Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== 600 stat point total a requirement? ==

Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk
::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true "Base" stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

=={{p|Lucario}}==
Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line,
two types, as well as a base stat total of 600.
:::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==
Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Inbalance ==

Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== New table ==
'''Here:'''
{| align="center" style="background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252"
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}
! colspan="4" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;"| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:149.png]] '''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:248.png]] '''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:373.png]] '''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:376.png]] '''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:445.png]] '''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{typecolor|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{typecolor|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:148.png]] {{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:247.png]] {{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:372.png]] {{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:375.png]] {{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:444.png]] {{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|- align="center"
! colspan="10" align="center" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{kanto color light}}" | [[Image:147.png]] {{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{johto color light}}" | [[Image:246.png]] {{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}" | [[Image:371.png]] {{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{colo color light}}" | [[Image:374.png]] {{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{sinnoh color light}}" | [[Image:443.png]] {{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="font-size: 90%;"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{typecolor|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" colspan="2" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{typecolor|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{typecolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{typecolor|Ground}}
|}
*[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Available only as their first form. ==

The article states that "Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum."

However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 "most", or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy?

I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kingdra ==

It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Base Stat total trivia ==

On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Stats ==

I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like "at least 600"? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==

Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}

:Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Ash's Larvitar ==

It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,"Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family." or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::From my previous comment on the matter:
::::::''Its article is named as such'' [ie. "Ash's Larvitar"] ''for the sake of simplicity''
:::::We can't very well call the article "the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him" or something. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there

== Addition of Charizard ==
I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

== Kibago ==

Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Dratini==
Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because "Legendary Pokemon" is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wrong. Trivia must be "on topic". You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

== Metagross is used in Gen V ==

Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}

== Ononokus ==

Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}

== Two types really necessary? ==

I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should "define" a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Ulgamoth ==

This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a "legendary" because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being "strong" has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes "has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100". Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::In other words, think of it this way:

::::::-Non-legendary.
::::::-Evolves atleast once.
::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.
::::::-Dual typed.
::::::-Slow Experience group.

::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.

:::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== METAGROSS ==

In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== Did anyone mention... ==
that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.
:It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
: : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Coincidences. ==

Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

== Slaking ==

I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means "resembling a legendary", and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are "like legendaries", we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. "The fandom" is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean "like legendary", it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). "The fandom" refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

== So seriously, what's the definition? ==

As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
: PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called "Pikachu Clones" back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as "Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve." Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the "mono-" part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.
:::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?
:::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.
:::::The "three-stage evolutionary family" thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying "not legendary", but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of "pseudolegendaries", so obviously that one's necessary.
:::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''8'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)
:::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say "Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary"... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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== Just wondering... ==

You've blocked two or three users just now on the grounds that they are bots. I can't help but wonder, how can you tell? They haven't made any edits yet. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 03:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:I am unable to explain how I can tell that such accounts are bots, as it may allow the bot operators to avoid such detection. However, trust me when I say: If I block an account for being a bot, it '''is''' a bot. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 03:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::OK. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 04:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It takes one to know one... *runs* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

==Need some help==
A message that I already sent to Kenji-Girl is that the user {{u|ShalashaskaADV]] has been making edits only on his talk page repeatedly, even after administrators had asked him to stop. Could you look into it? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 08:37, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== BW023 ==

Because its title was protected, [[User:Dennou Zenshi/BW023|I had to create it on userspace]]. Could you mainspace it? [http://www.pokemon.name/attachment/photo/Mon_1102/417_aeb61298255661df281b9a03d4691.jpg Here is proof.] And I'm aware that Adyniz has also [[User:Adyniz/BW023|a page]] titled "BW023", but if you look closely, it's actually for BW025.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 11:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

== Messages From Blocked Users ==

About half an hour ago ( 7:30pm London ) a blocked user messaged me to ask if i can make some edits. While i have no uncertanty towards doing it, i was just wondering if this goes against any rules. The user in question is Rokuto i believe.
Just wanted to know before i do anything [[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 19:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, making edits for blocked users is a violation of the rules, so don't make any edits for them. If you could, please send me a copy of the e-mail (including sender's e-mail address & date/time) using [[Special:EmailUser/Kogoro|this page]]. Thanks. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:01, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::Did i do the right thing? i feel slightly grassy but if i know its for the greater good then id feel better [[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 20:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, you did the right thing. {{an|Dawn|No need to worry}}, we shall be dealing with all of this very soon. Thank you for your assistance. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Podcast ==

Hey!

Hope all is going well. I'm not sure if you remember my post you blocked back in October of 2010. Anyways, I started making a Bulbapedia page for "The Pokemon Podcast" www.pkmncast.com

It was taken off because:
The cast started this summer, it's far too new to be notable enough for an article. (Bulbacast & WTPT have been around for much, much longer than just a few months.)
You didn't add any categories, nor did it have the notice for falling under Project Fandom. (Both of these are extremely important, and should never be forgotten.)

Then you said: Now, if the podcast continues to grow and shows notability by the end of the year, we may allow an article to be created.

Well funny story now. The Pokémon Podcast has the most reviews and is the highest rated Pokemon podcast EVER in iTunes, with over 120 five star reviews. On top of that it has 400 likes on the Facebook group, more then WTPT and PUCL. They also have a growing community of 250+ members. I'm not saying that I should be the one to edit it, because I'm not good at that stuff, but I think that ban should be lifted so someone could make the page.

Also, they are selling shirts to donate money to Japan. Pretty cool.

Anyways, hope to hear from you!

[[User:Committhistomemory|Committhistomemory]] 20:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)committhistomemory
:{{bp|staff|We'll}} look into the notability of this podcast. If it's deemed to be notable enough now for an article, we'll let you know & allow a page to be created. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== I'm quite bored ==

Sorry, I'm a little bit bored and I never use my account once again. Can you delete my account and my messed accounts? PLEASE. The reason why...because I never use my account and little bit bored. I will create a new one soon if you delete it. Is that acceptable?
[[User:Luis Felix|Luis Felix]]([[User talk:Luis Felix|Appreciate me here]] | [[User:Luis Felix/Sandbox|Sandbox]] | [[User:Luis Felix/PokemonParty|Party]]) 08:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:There's a couple of problems with that idea.
:#Accounts cannot be deleted for any reason. (We can, however, ban the account so it's inaccessible.)
:#If you're just going to make another account, what's the point of getting rid of the account you already have?
:Unless you have a legitimate reason for us to ban your current account & allow you to come back with a "fresh start," the answer is no. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Battrio question ==

Hey Kogoro —

{{u|Umeko}}'s been offline for about ten days or so and I have this project ready to go and just need your approval. I'm planning on doing a {{cat|PrevNext templates|prev-next}} template for {{bp|Project Battrio}} puck pages, to go at {{redlink|Template:BattrioPuckPrevNext}} (or some other location). I have the code literally ''in the editor'' — I just need the go-ahead. Is this okay?

(You can respond on {{u|Umeko}}'s talk page if you want - I asked her before checking whether she's been active. It's fine if you reply here too.) '''chief[[User:Chiefboz|boz]]''' • [[User talk:Chiefboz|talk]] 23:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
: '''Never mind.''' Umeko and I are talking, so you can ignore this. '''chief[[User:Chiefboz|boz]]''' • [[User talk:Chiefboz|talk]] 23:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

== OK ==

So there's not going to be a page until it's out? [[User:ARCEUSVICTINI|ARCEUSVICTINI]] 13:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

Every time I try to edit the top of a page, it will automatically download a file called "index.php" and keep me on the page that I'm on. I just uploaded a picture of Lily of the Valley island and this glitch is preventing me from doing that. I decided to contact you because you are the tech director and this is likely a tech issue either with Bulbapedia or my computer.

[[User:Torch|Torch]] 15:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:It usually happens when the "Alt" key on your keyboard is pressed. Whenever you try to click on any link, a file i.e "index.php" or a php file with the link's name will be downloaded automatically if you press Alt. So, kindly check the keys of your keyboard whether it's fine or not. It should fix the problem that you're having. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 15:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I am sure the alt key is not being pressed. I just tried with them pulled up. I will see if there is something wrong.

[[User:Torch|Torch]] 15:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:Oh, I'm sorry then it may be something else that I'm unaware of. I'll try to pass it to Kogoro as soon as she's available. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 17:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::In your [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]], under the Editing tab, do you have "Use external editor by default (for experts only, needs special settings on your computer)" checked? If so, make sure it's unchecked. If you also have "Use external diff by default (for experts only, needs special settings on your computer)" make sure that is unchecked as well. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 18:57, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Log Out Troubles ==

For some reason it keeps logging me out everytime I go to a new page. It says something about session hijacking? Can you help me with this? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 20:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
: Happens from time to time. Just hit the F5 and it should say logged in. I have it happen to me sometimes too. Not really much a problem I think. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Can't create my Userpage ==

I am new to Bulbapedia and I don't get how to edit the mainspace and all that. Can you help me with that? {{unsigned|Mr. RPG}}
:You've already been making mainspace edits. Any page without a prefix (Prefixes include User:, Bulbapedia:, Template:, and many others.) is a mainspace page. As for your userpage, you have yet to meet the {{tt|requirements|Which we're not revealing to the public}} to edit the User: namespace. Just keep helping the encyclopedia out, and you'll eventually be able to edit your userpage. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you and I will do what you told me to do. Just keep helping the encyclopedia out. Merci Beaucoup. Je suis un Canadien. {{unsigned|Mr. RPG}}
:::Sounds good. Please be sure to sign your talk page comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after you leave them. Thanks - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:42, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== {{bp|Top contributors}} ==

According to my Preferences, I've made 8,908 mainspace edits before this day, which is a little more than {{u|Littlmiget123}}'s edits. Did you accidentally forget me or do the Preferences include some edits that don't count towards the TC list?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 14:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:Pages which are or have since become redirects don't count. And it's not a matter of forgetting - the numbers are provided by a software script. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::Additionally, the number in your preferences is overall edits. The TC list records mainspace edits only. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

== PichuWhatever ==
will not stop adding trivia. give him/her a cooldown block, please.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 16:23, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

== Alipikachu ==

Why do you always block my way --Alipikachu 14:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
:You're not editing within the spirit of Bulbapedia's mission. You're simply trying to force the system into allowing you to edit the userspace. Such abuse of the system will not be tolerated, as the userspace is a privilege that is meant to be earned. If you can't follow the rules & edit with Bulbapedia's mission in mind, you're just going to have a lot of trouble with the staff. So please, take some time to read up on the rules. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 14:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

== Don't understand ==

Why did you revert all of my minor edits to the project notice pages? I don't find anything wrong with linking to the Pokémon franchise pages. I thought you are supposted to link whenever possible. Alot of the messages referred to them, can you explain what I did wrong for next time? You never stated a reason. Thank You. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:22, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
#Edits to project notices need to be approved. This can be done either by the Project Leader, or by a Staff Member of Administrator level or higher.
#Links in project notices should be exceptionally relevant to the span of the project itself. BerryDex -> [[Berries]], Music -> {{cat|Songs}}, {{cat|CDs}}, and {{cat|Musicians}}. Etc.
:While [[Pokémon]] is an important page, it ''really'' doesn't need to be linked to via every single page cause of the project notices. Linking whenever possible is not the idea, otherwise every instance of "Snivy" would be linking (which isn't done, cause that's excessive). Linking when something first appears in an article, and in the case of templates, when it's relevant to link. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 23:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
::I understand. Sorry :( [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== this is a message ==

blarghahagh

i am a stinky poopoo head {{unsigned|TTEchidna}}
:Now, now. Don't be like that Mr. Echidna, you know that's no way to talk on a talk page. Don't make me have to use my magical powers on you. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
::Looks like your powers need to be used.... [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Not a vandal, just a spammer. However, it's been dealt with. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Mentlegen. --[[User:The Noob|The Noob]] 05:12, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== On my talk page ==

Hey Kogoro, when can I edit my user page? Is there an amount of articles I have to edit before I can type things on my user page? Thanks. [[User:Totozapper|Totozapper]] 09:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
:There are specific, but secret, requirements in order to be able to edit the userspace. So, unfortunately, I can't tell you what those requirements are. Just keep editing the mainspace for a while and eventually you will be able to edit your userpage when you check it. Sorry I can't offer much in the way of information, - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 11:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

::K thanks very much! [[User:Totozapper|Totozapper]] 07:37, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

==You're cool==
You played [[Pokémon Rumble Blast]] that far? Good job if this is true.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R]] 11:45, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
:Non-wiki discussion such as this should really be conducted on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. Yes, I've completed the story of Pokémon Rumble Blast. So, yeah, thank you on the compliment. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 11:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
==Re:Code of Conduct==
It Was Venipede anyways, so i fixed it. It was my mistake, i did not saw what happened first, but it was Venipede anyways.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 07:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

== BW060 ==

Hi, Please see this [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon:_Black_%26_White_episodes wikipedia]]. The page that I created was the PART 2 (i.e 2nd part ). BW059 along with BW060 are scheduled to air at the same time in japan.
 
BW059 - トルネロスVSボルトロスVSランドロス！(前編) "Tornelos vs. Voltolos vs. Landlos! (Part 1)" 
BW060 - トルネロスVSボルトロスVSランドロス！(後編) "Tornelos vs. Voltolos vs. Landlos! (Part 2)" --✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 17:40, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Wikipedia is not a viable source, nor is it an official source. The user who added that episode to that Wikipedia article cites no official source. If you can present an official source for that episode, I will restore it. But until then, it remains protected from speculative creation. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 17:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
::This is not an official source , but Japanese Bulbapedia ''( ポケモンWiki)'' has a article on BW060 - [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/BW%E7%B7%A8%E7%AC%AC60%E8%A9%B1 see this]. {{unsigned|Poke.geek}}
:::As you said, they're not official either. While they are our Japanese partner (They are not "Japanese Bulbapedia."), it does not mean that because they have a premature article for something we must make one prematurely as well. Bulbapedia policy states to wait for an official announcement, and that will be followed. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 17:54, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:::: Oh. Okay, Sorry then. I'll wait till the official announcement. --✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 17:56, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

==Battle Royale and team battle EX-6==
Well, The power requirements and the "claims" are from a few videos Where people actually PLAY the Levels. You apprently haven't played Battle Royale and Team Battle EX-6 Yet.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 12:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:Provide these videos. The difficulty rankings I have for all of these have been ???. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 12:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3RGQQLzpjI] Battle Royale
:::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yrd8otOHv4&feature=related] Team Battle
--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 12:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::::OK you win. but every single list about battle royales and team battles have the power level listed.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 12:23, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::If the difficulty is listed as ???, we don't add assumptions based upon player recommendations, additionally, Team Battles never have a difficulty level. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 12:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== Editing ==

Sorry about the mix-up. Anyways I've stopped editing my User page like you asked me too. But am I allowed to edit other pages or do I have to wait till tomorrow to edit other pages as well. Pardon my lack of etiquette, I'm still kind of new to this. {{unsigned|Naui}}
:The only pages you are not to edit anymore today are pages with the prefix <code>User:</code>, you may still edit any page that does not have the <code>User:</code> prefix. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 08:18, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::okay got it so I can still continue to edit BW049?[[User:Naui|Naui]] 08:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes. Just remember to use the preview button, as to not accidentally flood the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]]. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 08:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay got it, sorry for the trouble.[[User:Naui|Naui]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon: Den of Ages ==

Why is PDoA not notable enough to warrant a page? Its mentioned in another page and has a large, striving community and continued development. - [[User:Navarr|Navarr]] 22:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
:Just because something is mentioned on another page, doesn't mean it's notable enough for a page of its own. There's hundreds of different fandom members & fan sites mentioned on pages, which simply don't meet notability standards. By what I can see, without installing their illegal software, their community isn't what I would call striving. Can you offer up some exact information? Daily visits, total number of players, total number of ''active'' players, and similar information? As for continued development, the page you created noted that the original title ''wasn't under any further development'' and that they've moved onto a sequel, of sorts. Also, do you happen to be connected to the creation, maintenance, staffing, or hosting of the Pokémon: Den of Ages game? - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 10:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== Can you please move ''my first mainspace article'' ==

I guess you know why I'm messaging you. Can you please move my '''''first mainspace article''''' (you know how hard it is to make a mainspace article) that is, [[User:Poke.geek/Professor Westwood V's Slowbro]] to ''Professor Westwood V's Slowbro''. And are there any more norms to be fulfilled ? -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|<big>'''Poké'''</big>]][[User talk:Poke.geek|<big><big>'''.geek'''</big></big>]][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 18:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
:For notability evaluations on anime Pokémon, {{ut|Kenji-girl|Kenji-girl}} is the person to go to. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 19:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

== Cache update ==

Hello, Kogoro! When I uploaded Phoebe's Dusclops in January, I waited days and the image was still wrong sized. Maybe Bulbapedia has changed this in the last update, IDK. Anyways, is there a method I can use to prevent this when I upload? [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] 15:38, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:We didn't have this CDN caching system in January, and the Archives didn't like to sync up properly with Bulbapedia at that time. With the new system, an image ''should'' update to the newest version within 24 hours of the upload. Just need to be patient, the images will definitely update on their own now. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 15:43, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you, Kogoro. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] 15:44, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

== {{u|Tranquy}} ==

Has been making quite a few vandelsic edits and has been told 3 times to stop on his talk page. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 23:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:Blocked for two weeks. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== User:Poptartemis ==

Please delete [[User:Poptartemis]]! He's a new user! It was my fault sorry! -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 21:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, my laptop's mouse stopped working! -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 21:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
::No worries, it's been deleted. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
::: Thanks! -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 21:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Delete this! ==

Please delete [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Banette_(harley)&redirect=no this].-- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 18:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== One question ==

When Sunglasse Krokorok is moved will it be named Ash's Krokorok or Ash's Sunglasse Krokorok if it happens? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 19:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
: No, I don't think so because Sunglassses Krokorok is not Ash's Pokémon. -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 19:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
:Sunglasses Krokorok just {{tt|follows him|to have a battle with Ash's Pikachu}}. -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 19:53, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
::But '''if''' it happens, it will be named "Ash's Krokorok".--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Would have been nice if I was given a few minutes to possibly answer a question on my own talk page ^^; Anyway, as Dennou Zenshi said, the article would be renamed "Ash's Krokorok" '''{{tt|if|and that's a very big if}}''' Ash ever catches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 20:02, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

==Sorry about that==
Just saw the Brown template on list of wanted templates and made it. My bad. --[[User:BaileyPlaysPokemon|BaileyPlaysPokemon]] 06:47, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
:{{an|Dawn|No need to worry.}} Make sure you remember; just because something is on the wanted pages/templates/files, doesn't mean it's actually wanted. It could be a mis-link, and those should be fixed. So, be very careful when creating things on those lists. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:50, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

== Outside Images ==

Hey, I wanted to know something. Recently, a user put very inappropriate images on the site. I was wondering if it is possible to prevent something like that from happening again by preventing outside images. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Need me?]])'' 21:18, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
:That vandal didn't use an outside image, they manually uploaded it to the Archives. Regardless, no, we will not disable the use of outside images on Bulbapedia. Since the Archives no longer allows personal images, outside images are a courtesy that we allow so users can still use personal images on their personal pages. We're not going to take that courtesy away, just because a rare vandal might abuse it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:40, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Need me?]])'' 21:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

== Excuse me mame ==

May I make my page for BW065? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 14:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
:An article for BW065 is not to be made until there's enough information about the episode. At this time, there is not enough information to warrant the episode having an article. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

== Trouble on Poképédia ==

Hi! I'm GreyDragon from Poképédia (the French wiki), and I'm afraid we may have issues with... well... French guys (French Pokéweb is sometimes troublesome because of their - what they think is - humor). So I come and ask you, since you seem to be the (new) head of Bulbagarden archives (congratulations!).

These good fellows have the greatest idea to create an account, then upload A-rated pictures (mostly men with men, but whatever). Have Bulbagarden achives people already dealt with this kind of trouble? Or do you have any idea which could help us preventing this from happening again?

Or you may know someone who knows someone who knows someone who could help us?

Thank you very much. [[User:GreyDragon|GreyDragon]] 16:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
:I'd suggest that Poképédia works on building a dedicated, serious, effective, and exceptionally active administrative base to help deal with banning the vandals & deleting their images & edits in a timely fashion. Additionally, a MediaWiki setting change could help; setting upload rights specifically to the "{{tt|autoconfirmed|or whatever it's called on Poképédia}}" user group and increasing the number of days/edits needed for a user to enter that group might discourage a fair number of image vandals. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

== Sock puppet ==

Sock puppet alert! -- [[User talk:Trev1234567]] and [[User talk:Trev1234571]] -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 18:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
:When the names of two accounts are that extremely similar, and both sign up within mere minutes of one another... It's generally not a sockpuppet. It's more likely that there was a problem with the first account's e-mail, so they had to make another account to properly sign up & start editing. If something like that happens again, and I'm sure it will, feel free to give {{bp|staff|one of us}} a calm message about it. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 23:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

== Archives bar ==

Hey there. This is Archives-related, but I assume you check your TP here much more frequently. The bar at the top reads, "Got a spare minute? The Archives needs some love." I realize that's referring to the Archives as a collective unit, hence the singular "needs," but it ought to be "need." I'm a stickler for bringing it up, I know, especially on a talk page, but I just happened to notice it at school and don't have access to AIM. Do you have the technical capabilities to fix that, if you deem it important enough? --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 14:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
:Changed. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

== Little technology bug ==

Over [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Viridian_Forest&action=history here] Magnedeth's edit summary showed outside of the edit summary parentheses and is therefore impossible to see in diffs. I'm just posing this to you because at [[BP:Staff]] it said that you were the technical manager. If you're not the right person, sorry for bugging you. Thanks, --[[User:Kangaroopower|'''Kangaroo''']][[User Talk:Kangaroopower|'''powah''']] 04:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
:What that means it that Deth didn't enter a summary for that edit. There's nothing wrong. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

== Reversion ==

Why exactly did you revert me?--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 04:54, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:As you've been told multiple times on [[Talk:Jessie#Professor Westwood's Slowpoke‎|Jessie's talk page]], Prof. Westward V's Slowpoke/Slowbro does not belong under Jessie's ownership. If there is an ongoing discussion regarding information that may be debatable, nobody should be adding such information to pages unless the discussion resolves with such an addition being acceptable. Such a blatant disregard for an ongoing discussion is '''not''' acceptable, and can result in offending users being blocked. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 05:07, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
::There was no indication that it's been more than one time. He was dancing around a direct answer, yet giving the explanation that Jessie must have done more to qualify for no reason--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 05:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:::MisterE13 stated his point multiple times. When you misunderstood the direct response, he resorted to a metaphor in order to try and explain it. When you complained about that, he restated it directly. From your following comment it appears you misread his direct statement then too. Of course, none of that actually matters. Stuff should ''never'' be added to a page when there's an ongoing discussion about its addition in which there has been no agreement. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:::He didn't give a direct response until I confronted him a second time about it. Stop making things up please--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 05:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

==Article in userspace==
Can i make an article about major vandals that have vandalised bulbapedia in my userspace? (Willy on Wheels, p34r, and Grawp.)--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 06:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:No. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:10, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
::OK but Why?--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 06:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:::There is no point in glamorizing the act of vandalism by giving them even more attention. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:23, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
::::[[Bulbapedia:Troublesome users|*cough*]] we do actually have this. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 19:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
::::# That is an '''''old''''' administrative listing from 2006 that has had five updates between then & now (all in 2008). There is also a major difference between a listing meant as a tool to fight vandals, and an article that would just be giving them attention.
::::# Such vandal-related pages (yes, including the Turkey Shoot page) will very likely be going away in the near future, so {{an|Dawn|no need to worry}} about them. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 13:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

==IceLibra's Stunfisk picture==
I know there's really no point in mentioning this, but since I saw that he kept putting it back, I feel I should say something. Obviously it doesn't matter since he was edit warring ''anyway'', but that Stunfisk picture was stolen from Serebii too. Like, literally copied and pasted. I guess I'm just saying to keep an additional eye on him if he's uploading stolen pictures in addition to edit warring, because even if he stops the latter he could still do the former.

Just thought I should say something. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 08:29, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

== Back ==

Hey I'm Back Do you remember me? But... Where is my old enemy PsychicRyder.........!!!!؟؟؟؟???? Another thing I archived my talk page but how to remove the redirects please help me --[[User:Alipikachu|Alipikachu]] ~~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|Talk]] 13:13, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
#Yes, I remember you.
#PsychicRider is no longer a Bulbawiki editor. Additionally, I wouldn't suggest going around calling anyone your enemy.
#Your talk page has been fixed and if you want to know how to do so, just check what I changed via the '''history''' tab on your talk page. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 15:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

== Robbo228 ==

This guy looks like a sockpuppet of LegandofThor2 and Mike234. Might want to look into that. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 19:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
:Looks like it? More like blatantly obvious--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 19:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
::Has been handled. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 19:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

== Userspace ==

'''Hi''' . which pages should i edit to gain the userspace exactly.Is talkpages in that list??
:Another Thing Is that really that you used Persian Names on your pokemons ... U know I'm Persian People
::I wonder if you tell me how did you make the HP Bar on the top of Page???
[[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~~ [[User:Alipikachu|αlιρικαchu]] »-(¯`v´¯)-» [[User talk:Alipikachu|тαlĸ]] ~~ [[Special:EmailUser/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï· ]] 15:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
#''Mainspace'' pages, the ones without a prefix like <code>Talk:</code>, <code>Appendix:</code>, or <code>Shipping:</code>. Examples include [[Ash Ketchum]], [[Pikachu (Pokémon)]], and [[Pokémon Crystal Version]]. However, you should be editing in order to better Bulbapedia, not just to be allowed to edit the userspace.
#Uh, yeah, my Seismitoad from Black uses a mythological Persian name. I am not sure how this is {{bp|talk page policy|relevant to Bulbapedia}}, though...
#You're free to take a look at the code of my archival HP bar {{u|Kogoro/Archives|here}}. When you're allowed to edit the userspace, you're free to try your hand at making something similar. Just don't copy & paste the code or violate the {{bp|userspace policy}}, be original & create your own style. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 03:11, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== What am I? ==

Hi there.I think I'm Autoconfirmed but i can't edit my userspac what is it?
{{unsigned|Alipikachu}}
:{{bp|FAQ#Why can't I make a userpage?|This the reason.}} Also, always sign your talk page comments with four <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.please [[User:Clinton Jai|Jaison Clinton Castelino]] 14:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
::Oh sorry I forgot it [[User:Alipikachu|αlιρικαchu]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|тαlĸ]] 19:04, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
:::That is actually not the case. If you check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AAlipikachu&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], I added you to the abuse usergoup when you were blocked for abusing mainspace pages in order to get the privilege to edit your userpage. Since your return from your ban, you have currently made; '''26''' <code>User talk:</code> edits and '''2''' mainspace edits. When you have made enough contributions to Bulbapedia's mainspace, I will remove you from the abuse usergroup and you will be able to create a user page. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 20:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
::::How many edits should i do? is 10 or 20 enough?--[[User:Alipikachu|αlιρικαchu]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|тαlĸ]] 14:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::::: That is not your concern...... If you have signed in for contributing, then edit the mainspace.........Bulba is a Encyclopaedia ,,,, not a show-off website..............--[[User:Clinton Jai|Jaison]] [[User talk:Clinton Jai|Clinton]] [[Special:Contributions/Clinton Jai|Caste]][[User:Clinton Jai/Shadow Gym|lino]] 14:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::'''@Alipikachu:''' Just like the requirements to gain the userspace normally, I'm not going to give a number. Simply make helpful & correct edits in the mainspace, you will eventually be taken out of the abuse group when the time is right.
::::::'''@Clinton Jai:''' Respectfully, please don't reply to questions that don't concern you. Your response to the first question was incorrect, and the latest question is really something only the {{bp|staff}} should be responding to. Also, you don't need the large mass of periods between statement sections. Thank you, - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::Sorry I should not have bugged others talk page.--[[User:Clinton Jai|Jaison]] [[User talk:Clinton Jai|Clinton]] [[Special:Contributions/Clinton Jai|Caste]][[User:Clinton Jai/Shadow Gym|lino]] 02:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

== There again ==

hi can u tell me how many edis i have up to now--[[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 08:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:wow what a beautifull sign I have.lol --[[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 08:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::'''Since your return:''' [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|'''3''' Mainspace, '''23''' Redirects, '''55''' User talk, '''4''' Project.]]
::'''Since you registered:''' You can use the above link and count for yourself. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:07, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::But aren't Redirects count as mainspace?__[[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 10:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::No. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 10:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

== Rename ==

Can you change my username???--[[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 11:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:Username changes are a real pain to do and as such are reserved for users that have made a significant number of useful mainspace contributions. You have not yet contributed enough to the wiki. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

== New Language Request ==

Hello, I have a request for my page. Even though it is an odd language, I can speak Hawaiian and I would like to be able to put that as a language template/badge thing for my profile. You know, the "This user is a native speaker (insert language)." So a "This user is a native speaker of Hawaiian" and all other variations of that. Is is possible to create one of those or do we need to have multiple people request that? Thanks for taking time to read my request- [[User:Naui|Naui]] 11:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
:I'm not entirely sure if we'd really need a babel tag specifically for the Hawaiian language, mainly due to it being a regional language rather than a national language. I would suggest that you use the specific {{template|Babel N}}, {{template|Babel 4}}, {{template|Babel 3}}, {{template|Babel 2}}, or {{template|Babel 1}} base tag for your needs, at least for now. If the language does come to show a high enough userbase on Bulbapedia, an official tag may be reasonable & be given approval. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 11:44, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== Non-Authentic Maps ==

I see, thanks. So does that mean they can remain until and if someone manages to produce authentic in-game maps? Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 02:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

== Renaming ==

As follow-ups to [[User talk:Umeko#Another request|this]] and [[User talk:Pokemon lover#Signature|this]], I'd like to request a username change to '''{{tt|SatoMew|Bolded for clarification. And it's in CamelCase indeed.}}'''. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 14:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:Unfortunately, it looks like you are going to have to wait a while longer for the rename. We are currently having some technical issues that prevent us from doing ''any'' renames, and we most likely will not be able to remedy them until June. So, I also regret that I have to request that you modify your signature to contain something that represents your current username. When everything is repaired, we will be sure to let you know and give you the rename if you still want it. I apologize for the inconvenience this causes, - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 10:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== [[Team Galactic HQ#Layout|Team Galactic HQ]] ==

Hi,

May I know how come the maps are to stay at 350px? OK, perhaps my original sizing was far too large, but how come it's 350, rather than, say, 400 or something?

Thanks for your time and have a pleasant day. Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 07:46, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
:The page still requires Platinum maps of the Veilstone Galactic HQ. 400px would cause too much screen stretching for readers using smaller resolutions. 350px will keep any stretching to a minimum, while still offering a reasonably sized thumbnail that allows readers to get an understanding of the floor layouts without making viewing of the full-size map mandatory. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 07:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
::Wow. Thanks for the illuminating explanation. I get it now. Have a nice day :-) Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 09:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black 2 and Pokemon White 2 announced for Australia ==

On spring of 2012, [http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=8316 here]. Just wanted to let you know so you could put it up.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 01:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads up. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Pokemon Database ==

Hi, Magnedeth deleted {{redlink|Pokemon Database}} but he's away now so I was wondering if you'd be able to restore it please? It's a clearly notable site (pokemondb.net), at least the 5th most popular Pokemon fansite out of ALL of them, if not 4th or 3rd. Just look at how many non-notable and dead sites there are in the fan sites category. Thanks in advance.{{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}

== two usernames ==
There are two people who has the username Grabbergirl; {{tt|Grabbergirl|herself}} and Grabbergirl101. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Cache Issues ==

Hi, I was told from SnorlaxMonster that you're the technical director here, so I was wondering if you could shed a little light on this. I've been having trouble with the cache, particularly with regards to new versions of images I've been uploading.

What I've been doing is manually emptying the cache via my Firefox browser and/or pressing Ctrl+Shift+R on my browser to force the new image to show – I've even done things like go back to the original Bulbagarden Archives image page to force the new image to show. Most of the time the new image will work on the Bulbagarden Archives page after bypassing the cache, but not always on the Bulbapedia representative page or the article in which the image is used. At other times, editing the page will actually help, but on other occasions even that does not work. In fact, on some other occasions, bypassing the cache will bring up the new image, but refreshing or otherwise re-loading the page through re-bypassing the cache will bring back the old image.

Do you have any other suggestions?

I realize my above post isn't nearly that informative (since not much else is occuring to me at the moment), and that it probably should be my responsibility to provide as much info as I can. If anything more occurs to me (unless you get there and ask me first), I'll be more than glad to answer what I can (since I am, after all, the one asking for assistance).

Thanks for your help and have a pleasant week. Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 12:38, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:It sounds like you're noticing the CDN that we have been using for a while now, rather than actually having a caching issue. Bulbapedia connects to the Bulbagarden Archives indirectly through a {{wp|Content Delivery Network}} (CDN) which periodically updates images in order to reduce the server stress connected to the re-uploading of images. (Compare the URLs of the same file via [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/ae/Ani498MS.png Bulbapedia] and [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/ae/Ani498MS.png the Archives].) This often results in Bulbapedia still displaying older versions of images for a while after a new version is uploaded, since the image isn't being directly accessed from the Archives anymore. Images will generally update on their own within a few hours of a new version being uploaded, often depending on how many times the image is accessed via Bulbapedia. Just give the images some time & they should eventually update. If they still haven't updated after 24 hours, then there may be a problem which you should give me a shout about so I can look into the problem & pass on any relevant information to our techs. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 13:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
::Wow, that was super informative. No wonder. Thanks a lot for your help! :-)
::Regarding the last part of your reply, I uploaded new versions of five images to [[Pokémon_Center#Differences_among_generations|this page]] on 21 March 2012, and over 72 hours later, one of them (specifically the one of the Gen IV Violet City and Ecruteak City Pokémon Center) is still not showing correctly for me on the Bulbapedia page in which it is used. This is despite the fact that both the Bulbapedia and Archives image pages show the updated image, and ''all'' the others I updated and re-uploaded are currently showing properly. Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 13:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::To update, it finally corrected itself today. Thanks for all the help. Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 11:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Pokémon/Nobunaga stuff ==

I just read on [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml Serebii] about in-game passwords for obtaining Pokémon. Should I put this in the article?--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 01:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
:Should it be put in the article? Yes. Should Serebii be used as a source? Absolutely not. All passwords added must come from an official source of some kind, not fansites, and should be linked in either the edit summary or, if there is not enough room, on the talk page. Otherwise they run the risk of being removed as copyright violation. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Sandman/Kuki ==

I was surprised to hear that SandmanDP was this Kuki user all this time. What gave it away? Also, those edit wars wouldn't have existed if the sockpuppeting didn't happen. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 18:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
:That's not something we can discuss publicly, lest we give people ideas for avoiding detection when sockpuppeting [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
::If this was something that couldn't be discussed publicly, then it's fine. I brought it up in the first place because of the damage that happened prior to this revelation. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
::To be honest, I wasn't asking about how a user can avoid being detected when sockpuppeting. I was asking about something else; the user being mean to people and accuse them of things that do not exist. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:22, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Jo The Marten#Types' colors|One thing]] ==

Since Jo seems to be inactive (bad luck for me)... What do you think about the thing that I mentioned there? Was in middle of 3rd edit, fixing Ghost-type (since I skipped it), but accidentally pressed Enter and Stadium 2's Ghost-type has wrong color. Not sure if that thing is useful for mainspace, though. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:44, 8 April 2012 (UTC) PS.I didn't fixed the color yet, since I already did 3 edits to userspace, and I am unsure if it's okay to do another edit to fix color.
:Since you're the one collecting this data, you must have some ideas for its purpose and use. So, the questions I have are:
:#What do ''you'' think it would be good for?
:#What do ''you'' think it would it be used for?
:#How do ''you'' feel this will help improve Bulbapedia?
:Building ideas aren't just a matter of collecting some data then handing it off to a Bulbapedia staff member to decide what it could be useful for. If you're going to make something you'd like to see used in the mainspace/templatespace/etc., you need to build the idea all the way to what the use of the data could/would/should be. Then present it for approval/disapproval and additional discussion. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 13:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
::How will improve Bulbapedia? Let's see - Eg. A person speaking English is playing a game of Generation it never played in French language and use a move, having no idea what move it is (not seeing the older animation for it, and that problem is solved with [[:Template:Movegen|template]]). (S)he could simply look what move it is (if there is image for it), but what if it had no idea what is the type of move? If type was known to person, it would take less time (now why would someone get game in foreign language, well there is a lot of reasons). Not sure what is your opinion, but for me it is slightly similar to this [[Template:Movedesc|template]], since that template shows description from various games, while the thing I am doing is "collecting" types' colors from various games, though only RSE and FRLG are 100% accurate as eg. Stadium being more advanced game, when viewed in Paint shows that the white text is not simply white, but rather many shades of white. Could be used in the types' articles like the template is in moves' articles. The only "catch" is that aside from Mystery Dungeon, I can't do much in Generation IV or V games. I found color coding in both Stadium games, RSE, FRLG and counting [[Gummi]], also in both Mystery Dungeon games. Template? Not sure, though probably it's not necessary since I already did a table - but that's only my opinion. Also sorry for any bad English if there's any. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 13:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Generation II map extraction ==

I see you also updated {{img|Fighting Dojo GSC.png}} to show the sprite of the student. What I want to know is which software did you use to extract the map showing the event sprites to an image file. Neither JohtoMap v1.02 nor MegaMap v1.38 allow me to export the maps showing the sprites. And I stopped using GoldMap due to the underlying issues that make it a bad program. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 20:30, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:I didn't extract the map at all. I simply merged the previous two versions of the file together and removed {{ga|Kris}} via Photoshop. Additionally, like the notice at the start of my talk page says: Archives-related queries should be asked [[a:User talk:Kogoro|on my Archives talk page]] rather than my Bulbapedia talk page.. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:05, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

== Signatures ==

Are we allowed to remove the images on signatures even though they are not broken links as I saw it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tesh&curid=20269&diff=1665595&oldid=1246287 here] (I wanted to ask him about it but the talk page was protected)? It was mentioned in the signature policy as well that images weren't allowed in them. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:45, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
:Saw it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:User_Country/List_of_countries&curid=32142&diff=1665594&oldid=1628231 there] as well so it is possible. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:49, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, it's fine to remove all images from signatures while removing the broken file links. About 99% of the signatures with images are from before the signature policy was added, so they were grandfathered. However, with the {{cat|pages with broken file links}} category, it's just easier in the long run to wipe all of the signature images out along with the brokens. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you. :) [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:53, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

== Move the group ==

Hi. Please move me out of abuse group thanks [[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 14:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
:After a discussion with Bulbapedia's {{u|MAGNEDETH|Editor-in-Chief}}, we have agreed that you have not yet earned the privilege to edit the userspace on Bulbapedia. Due to your history regarding the userspace privilege on Bulbapedia ''and'' Bulbanews, we really feel that you need to better prove that you understand the rules and mission of Bulbapedia before we will remove you from the group and allow you to edit the userspace. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
::Now I Moved to Germany and I'm learning Deutsch and i don't have enough time to surf the net and won't be able to be here every day. {{unsigned|Alipikachu}}
:::If you won't have time to adequately edit the encyclopedic content of Bulbapedia, I'm quite certain you won't have the time to edit your user page. I don't believe being in the abuse user group will be much of an issue for you, then. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 07:38, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

== user page ==

thanks for fix my user page box .................................but.................................you were boring to fix a subnormal page? there--[[User:Kyokencl|kyokencl]] 05:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
:Your user page was categorized in {{cat|Pages with broken file links|this category}} due to the broken image(s). Since that category is best meant to be used as a tool to group pages in need of required images, the image(s) on your user page needed to be removed/repaired in order to remove your user page from the category. Certainly not a matter of boredom. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 07:38, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

== Attitude ==

I don't appreciate being [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=1685669&oldid=1685666 chewed out] in a [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia:FAQ#This_user_is_being_rude_to_me.2C_what_do_I_do.3F rude manner] for making a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|good-faith]] edit based on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=1551590&oldid=1550792 an edit made six months prior and not (at the time) reverted]. From your response, one would think I was trying to completely redefine the page, when I was taking the page ''as it existed at the time'' and making it more consistent. Truth is, I've been seeing signs all over the place that the administrators of Bulbapedia have lost their capacity for trust - don't bother denying it because [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=1685669&oldid=1685666 yeah], and don't bother justifying this, because I know exactly why it happened and can even sympathize. I know the Pokemon fandom and its propensity for rumors, deliberate misinformation, and trolls. I know all too well why the trust has been lost. But I don't believe this is any excuse to jump down people's throats without making an effort to get the facts straight. (It also bothers me that, despite what [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=1685682&oldid=1685677 Werdnae] said, the [[Pseudo-legendary]] talk page shows a number of people disagreeing with the definition of pseudo-legendaries where types and experience are concerned, but Bulbapedia's aversion to posting in old topics combined with a lack of an open forum make the discussion disorganized. But I'm mainly writing about the attitude.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 16:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
:I'm going to do this as a list, since there's a lot to respond to:
:#I wasn't chewing you out nor jumping down your throat, I was questioning the rationale behind your edit within the {{bp|code of conduct}}. If an edit appears to be incorrect or otherwise problematic, it has to be dealt with. Since the change to the page in November 2011 was incorrect ''and'' missed your edit appeared to be changing the definition without a proper and detailed rationale. I'm sorry you feel I was being rude, but that wasn't my intention. Before telling others to assume good faith, please keep in mind to do so yourself.
:#You are correct when you note that rumours, personal beliefs, and other things are common within the fandom, but they don't have any standing on whether we trust the userbase. Simply, because there isn't a lack of trust toward the userbase and the staff haven't lost capacity to trust the userbase. Part of being a wiki staffer is to have to monitor, review, and revert edits when it appears to be necessary. Sometimes problems get missed, like the November 2011 edit, we're only human (Except for {{u|BulbaBot}}).
:#The pseudo-legendary Pokémon page has had a few small debates over the years, that is entirely true. However, the fair majority of those debates have been made specifically because an extremely small number of people want to change the definition specifically to allow certain Pokémon (Slaking, Volcarona, Lucario, Arcanine, Alakazam, Flygon, Haxorus, etc.) into the group. By what I can see ''every'' qualifying factor for a pseudo-legendary has been questioned at one time or another, not just the experience group and/or dual-typing.
:If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to contact me. If you would prefer to contact me privately about anything, additional contact details can be found on my user page. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 02:16, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
::It's possible I misunderstood you; the interpretation I took was akin to "Who are you to be contributing to the Pokémon encyclopedia anyone can contribute to? You'd better have a source for contradicting an unsourced statement that's not even currently on the page!" So if that's not what you meant, my apologies and never mind.
::But even if I misinterpreted, and even if there's no lack-of-trust issue involved in this particular case, I've run into lack-of-trust issues from Bulbapedia administrators before. Multiple times - one particular and pretty inarguable case (that I don't feel like discussing right now) especially. So I don't concede that point. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:39, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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== Just wondering... ==

You've blocked two or three users just now on the grounds that they are bots. I can't help but wonder, how can you tell? They haven't made any edits yet. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 03:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:I am unable to explain how I can tell that such accounts are bots, as it may allow the bot operators to avoid such detection. However, trust me when I say: If I block an account for being a bot, it '''is''' a bot. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 03:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::OK. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 04:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It takes one to know one... *runs* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

==Need some help==
A message that I already sent to Kenji-Girl is that the user {{u|ShalashaskaADV]] has been making edits only on his talk page repeatedly, even after administrators had asked him to stop. Could you look into it? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 08:37, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== BW023 ==

Because its title was protected, [[User:Dennou Zenshi/BW023|I had to create it on userspace]]. Could you mainspace it? [http://www.pokemon.name/attachment/photo/Mon_1102/417_aeb61298255661df281b9a03d4691.jpg Here is proof.] And I'm aware that Adyniz has also [[User:Adyniz/BW023|a page]] titled "BW023", but if you look closely, it's actually for BW025.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 11:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

== Messages From Blocked Users ==

About half an hour ago ( 7:30pm London ) a blocked user messaged me to ask if i can make some edits. While i have no uncertanty towards doing it, i was just wondering if this goes against any rules. The user in question is Rokuto i believe.
Just wanted to know before i do anything [[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 19:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, making edits for blocked users is a violation of the rules, so don't make any edits for them. If you could, please send me a copy of the e-mail (including sender's e-mail address & date/time) using [[Special:EmailUser/Kogoro|this page]]. Thanks. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:01, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::Did i do the right thing? i feel slightly grassy but if i know its for the greater good then id feel better [[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 20:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, you did the right thing. {{an|Dawn|No need to worry}}, we shall be dealing with all of this very soon. Thank you for your assistance. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Podcast ==

Hey!

Hope all is going well. I'm not sure if you remember my post you blocked back in October of 2010. Anyways, I started making a Bulbapedia page for "The Pokemon Podcast" www.pkmncast.com

It was taken off because:
The cast started this summer, it's far too new to be notable enough for an article. (Bulbacast & WTPT have been around for much, much longer than just a few months.)
You didn't add any categories, nor did it have the notice for falling under Project Fandom. (Both of these are extremely important, and should never be forgotten.)

Then you said: Now, if the podcast continues to grow and shows notability by the end of the year, we may allow an article to be created.

Well funny story now. The Pokémon Podcast has the most reviews and is the highest rated Pokemon podcast EVER in iTunes, with over 120 five star reviews. On top of that it has 400 likes on the Facebook group, more then WTPT and PUCL. They also have a growing community of 250+ members. I'm not saying that I should be the one to edit it, because I'm not good at that stuff, but I think that ban should be lifted so someone could make the page.

Also, they are selling shirts to donate money to Japan. Pretty cool.

Anyways, hope to hear from you!

[[User:Committhistomemory|Committhistomemory]] 20:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)committhistomemory
:{{bp|staff|We'll}} look into the notability of this podcast. If it's deemed to be notable enough now for an article, we'll let you know & allow a page to be created. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== I'm quite bored ==

Sorry, I'm a little bit bored and I never use my account once again. Can you delete my account and my messed accounts? PLEASE. The reason why...because I never use my account and little bit bored. I will create a new one soon if you delete it. Is that acceptable?
[[User:Luis Felix|Luis Felix]]([[User talk:Luis Felix|Appreciate me here]] | [[User:Luis Felix/Sandbox|Sandbox]] | [[User:Luis Felix/PokemonParty|Party]]) 08:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:There's a couple of problems with that idea.
:#Accounts cannot be deleted for any reason. (We can, however, ban the account so it's inaccessible.)
:#If you're just going to make another account, what's the point of getting rid of the account you already have?
:Unless you have a legitimate reason for us to ban your current account & allow you to come back with a "fresh start," the answer is no. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Battrio question ==

Hey Kogoro —

{{u|Umeko}}'s been offline for about ten days or so and I have this project ready to go and just need your approval. I'm planning on doing a {{cat|PrevNext templates|prev-next}} template for {{bp|Project Battrio}} puck pages, to go at {{redlink|Template:BattrioPuckPrevNext}} (or some other location). I have the code literally ''in the editor'' — I just need the go-ahead. Is this okay?

(You can respond on {{u|Umeko}}'s talk page if you want - I asked her before checking whether she's been active. It's fine if you reply here too.) '''chief[[User:Chiefboz|boz]]''' • [[User talk:Chiefboz|talk]] 23:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
: '''Never mind.''' Umeko and I are talking, so you can ignore this. '''chief[[User:Chiefboz|boz]]''' • [[User talk:Chiefboz|talk]] 23:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

== OK ==

So there's not going to be a page until it's out? [[User:ARCEUSVICTINI|ARCEUSVICTINI]] 13:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

== Help ==

Every time I try to edit the top of a page, it will automatically download a file called "index.php" and keep me on the page that I'm on. I just uploaded a picture of Lily of the Valley island and this glitch is preventing me from doing that. I decided to contact you because you are the tech director and this is likely a tech issue either with Bulbapedia or my computer.

[[User:Torch|Torch]] 15:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:It usually happens when the "Alt" key on your keyboard is pressed. Whenever you try to click on any link, a file i.e "index.php" or a php file with the link's name will be downloaded automatically if you press Alt. So, kindly check the keys of your keyboard whether it's fine or not. It should fix the problem that you're having. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 15:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I am sure the alt key is not being pressed. I just tried with them pulled up. I will see if there is something wrong.

[[User:Torch|Torch]] 15:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:Oh, I'm sorry then it may be something else that I'm unaware of. I'll try to pass it to Kogoro as soon as she's available. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 17:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::In your [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]], under the Editing tab, do you have "Use external editor by default (for experts only, needs special settings on your computer)" checked? If so, make sure it's unchecked. If you also have "Use external diff by default (for experts only, needs special settings on your computer)" make sure that is unchecked as well. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 18:57, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Log Out Troubles ==

For some reason it keeps logging me out everytime I go to a new page. It says something about session hijacking? Can you help me with this? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 20:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
: Happens from time to time. Just hit the F5 and it should say logged in. I have it happen to me sometimes too. Not really much a problem I think. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Can't create my Userpage ==

I am new to Bulbapedia and I don't get how to edit the mainspace and all that. Can you help me with that? {{unsigned|Mr. RPG}}
:You've already been making mainspace edits. Any page without a prefix (Prefixes include User:, Bulbapedia:, Template:, and many others.) is a mainspace page. As for your userpage, you have yet to meet the {{tt|requirements|Which we're not revealing to the public}} to edit the User: namespace. Just keep helping the encyclopedia out, and you'll eventually be able to edit your userpage. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you and I will do what you told me to do. Just keep helping the encyclopedia out. Merci Beaucoup. Je suis un Canadien. {{unsigned|Mr. RPG}}
:::Sounds good. Please be sure to sign your talk page comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after you leave them. Thanks - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:42, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== {{bp|Top contributors}} ==

According to my Preferences, I've made 8,908 mainspace edits before this day, which is a little more than {{u|Littlmiget123}}'s edits. Did you accidentally forget me or do the Preferences include some edits that don't count towards the TC list?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 14:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:Pages which are or have since become redirects don't count. And it's not a matter of forgetting - the numbers are provided by a software script. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::Additionally, the number in your preferences is overall edits. The TC list records mainspace edits only. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

== PichuWhatever ==
will not stop adding trivia. give him/her a cooldown block, please.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 16:23, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

== Alipikachu ==

Why do you always block my way --Alipikachu 14:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
:You're not editing within the spirit of Bulbapedia's mission. You're simply trying to force the system into allowing you to edit the userspace. Such abuse of the system will not be tolerated, as the userspace is a privilege that is meant to be earned. If you can't follow the rules & edit with Bulbapedia's mission in mind, you're just going to have a lot of trouble with the staff. So please, take some time to read up on the rules. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 14:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

== Don't understand ==

Why did you revert all of my minor edits to the project notice pages? I don't find anything wrong with linking to the Pokémon franchise pages. I thought you are supposted to link whenever possible. Alot of the messages referred to them, can you explain what I did wrong for next time? You never stated a reason. Thank You. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:22, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
#Edits to project notices need to be approved. This can be done either by the Project Leader, or by a Staff Member of Administrator level or higher.
#Links in project notices should be exceptionally relevant to the span of the project itself. BerryDex -> [[Berries]], Music -> {{cat|Songs}}, {{cat|CDs}}, and {{cat|Musicians}}. Etc.
:While [[Pokémon]] is an important page, it ''really'' doesn't need to be linked to via every single page cause of the project notices. Linking whenever possible is not the idea, otherwise every instance of "Snivy" would be linking (which isn't done, cause that's excessive). Linking when something first appears in an article, and in the case of templates, when it's relevant to link. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 23:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
::I understand. Sorry :( [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== this is a message ==

blarghahagh

i am a stinky poopoo head {{unsigned|TTEchidna}}
:Now, now. Don't be like that Mr. Echidna, you know that's no way to talk on a talk page. Don't make me have to use my magical powers on you. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
::Looks like your powers need to be used.... [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Not a vandal, just a spammer. However, it's been dealt with. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Mentlegen. --[[User:The Noob|The Noob]] 05:12, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

== On my talk page ==

Hey Kogoro, when can I edit my user page? Is there an amount of articles I have to edit before I can type things on my user page? Thanks. [[User:Totozapper|Totozapper]] 09:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
:There are specific, but secret, requirements in order to be able to edit the userspace. So, unfortunately, I can't tell you what those requirements are. Just keep editing the mainspace for a while and eventually you will be able to edit your userpage when you check it. Sorry I can't offer much in the way of information, - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 11:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

::K thanks very much! [[User:Totozapper|Totozapper]] 07:37, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

==You're cool==
You played [[Pokémon Rumble Blast]] that far? Good job if this is true.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R]] 11:45, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
:Non-wiki discussion such as this should really be conducted on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. Yes, I've completed the story of Pokémon Rumble Blast. So, yeah, thank you on the compliment. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 11:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
==Re:Code of Conduct==
It Was Venipede anyways, so i fixed it. It was my mistake, i did not saw what happened first, but it was Venipede anyways.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 07:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

== BW060 ==

Hi, Please see this [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon:_Black_%26_White_episodes wikipedia]]. The page that I created was the PART 2 (i.e 2nd part ). BW059 along with BW060 are scheduled to air at the same time in japan.
 
BW059 - トルネロスVSボルトロスVSランドロス！(前編) "Tornelos vs. Voltolos vs. Landlos! (Part 1)" 
BW060 - トルネロスVSボルトロスVSランドロス！(後編) "Tornelos vs. Voltolos vs. Landlos! (Part 2)" --✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 17:40, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Wikipedia is not a viable source, nor is it an official source. The user who added that episode to that Wikipedia article cites no official source. If you can present an official source for that episode, I will restore it. But until then, it remains protected from speculative creation. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 17:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
::This is not an official source , but Japanese Bulbapedia ''( ポケモンWiki)'' has a article on BW060 - [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/BW%E7%B7%A8%E7%AC%AC60%E8%A9%B1 see this]. {{unsigned|Poke.geek}}
:::As you said, they're not official either. While they are our Japanese partner (They are not "Japanese Bulbapedia."), it does not mean that because they have a premature article for something we must make one prematurely as well. Bulbapedia policy states to wait for an official announcement, and that will be followed. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 17:54, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:::: Oh. Okay, Sorry then. I'll wait till the official announcement. --✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 17:56, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

==Battle Royale and team battle EX-6==
Well, The power requirements and the "claims" are from a few videos Where people actually PLAY the Levels. You apprently haven't played Battle Royale and Team Battle EX-6 Yet.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 12:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:Provide these videos. The difficulty rankings I have for all of these have been ???. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 12:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3RGQQLzpjI] Battle Royale
:::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yrd8otOHv4&feature=related] Team Battle
--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 12:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::::OK you win. but every single list about battle royales and team battles have the power level listed.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 12:23, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::If the difficulty is listed as ???, we don't add assumptions based upon player recommendations, additionally, Team Battles never have a difficulty level. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 12:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== Editing ==

Sorry about the mix-up. Anyways I've stopped editing my User page like you asked me too. But am I allowed to edit other pages or do I have to wait till tomorrow to edit other pages as well. Pardon my lack of etiquette, I'm still kind of new to this. {{unsigned|Naui}}
:The only pages you are not to edit anymore today are pages with the prefix <code>User:</code>, you may still edit any page that does not have the <code>User:</code> prefix. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 08:18, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::okay got it so I can still continue to edit BW049?[[User:Naui|Naui]] 08:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes. Just remember to use the preview button, as to not accidentally flood the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]]. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 08:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay got it, sorry for the trouble.[[User:Naui|Naui]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon: Den of Ages ==

Why is PDoA not notable enough to warrant a page? Its mentioned in another page and has a large, striving community and continued development. - [[User:Navarr|Navarr]] 22:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
:Just because something is mentioned on another page, doesn't mean it's notable enough for a page of its own. There's hundreds of different fandom members & fan sites mentioned on pages, which simply don't meet notability standards. By what I can see, without installing their illegal software, their community isn't what I would call striving. Can you offer up some exact information? Daily visits, total number of players, total number of ''active'' players, and similar information? As for continued development, the page you created noted that the original title ''wasn't under any further development'' and that they've moved onto a sequel, of sorts. Also, do you happen to be connected to the creation, maintenance, staffing, or hosting of the Pokémon: Den of Ages game? - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 10:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== Can you please move ''my first mainspace article'' ==

I guess you know why I'm messaging you. Can you please move my '''''first mainspace article''''' (you know how hard it is to make a mainspace article) that is, [[User:Poke.geek/Professor Westwood V's Slowbro]] to ''Professor Westwood V's Slowbro''. And are there any more norms to be fulfilled ? -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|<big>'''Poké'''</big>]][[User talk:Poke.geek|<big><big>'''.geek'''</big></big>]][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 18:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
:For notability evaluations on anime Pokémon, {{ut|Kenji-girl|Kenji-girl}} is the person to go to. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 19:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

== Cache update ==

Hello, Kogoro! When I uploaded Phoebe's Dusclops in January, I waited days and the image was still wrong sized. Maybe Bulbapedia has changed this in the last update, IDK. Anyways, is there a method I can use to prevent this when I upload? [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] 15:38, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:We didn't have this CDN caching system in January, and the Archives didn't like to sync up properly with Bulbapedia at that time. With the new system, an image ''should'' update to the newest version within 24 hours of the upload. Just need to be patient, the images will definitely update on their own now. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 15:43, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you, Kogoro. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] 15:44, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

== {{u|Tranquy}} ==

Has been making quite a few vandelsic edits and has been told 3 times to stop on his talk page. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 23:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:Blocked for two weeks. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== User:Poptartemis ==

Please delete [[User:Poptartemis]]! He's a new user! It was my fault sorry! -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 21:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, my laptop's mouse stopped working! -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 21:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
::No worries, it's been deleted. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
::: Thanks! -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 21:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Delete this! ==

Please delete [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Banette_(harley)&redirect=no this].-- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 18:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== One question ==

When Sunglasse Krokorok is moved will it be named Ash's Krokorok or Ash's Sunglasse Krokorok if it happens? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 19:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
: No, I don't think so because Sunglassses Krokorok is not Ash's Pokémon. -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 19:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
:Sunglasses Krokorok just {{tt|follows him|to have a battle with Ash's Pikachu}}. -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 19:53, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
::But '''if''' it happens, it will be named "Ash's Krokorok".--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Would have been nice if I was given a few minutes to possibly answer a question on my own talk page ^^; Anyway, as Dennou Zenshi said, the article would be renamed "Ash's Krokorok" '''{{tt|if|and that's a very big if}}''' Ash ever catches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 20:02, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

==Sorry about that==
Just saw the Brown template on list of wanted templates and made it. My bad. --[[User:BaileyPlaysPokemon|BaileyPlaysPokemon]] 06:47, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
:{{an|Dawn|No need to worry.}} Make sure you remember; just because something is on the wanted pages/templates/files, doesn't mean it's actually wanted. It could be a mis-link, and those should be fixed. So, be very careful when creating things on those lists. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:50, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

== Outside Images ==

Hey, I wanted to know something. Recently, a user put very inappropriate images on the site. I was wondering if it is possible to prevent something like that from happening again by preventing outside images. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Need me?]])'' 21:18, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
:That vandal didn't use an outside image, they manually uploaded it to the Archives. Regardless, no, we will not disable the use of outside images on Bulbapedia. Since the Archives no longer allows personal images, outside images are a courtesy that we allow so users can still use personal images on their personal pages. We're not going to take that courtesy away, just because a rare vandal might abuse it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:40, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
::Okay. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Need me?]])'' 21:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

== Excuse me mame ==

May I make my page for BW065? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 14:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
:An article for BW065 is not to be made until there's enough information about the episode. At this time, there is not enough information to warrant the episode having an article. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

== Trouble on Poképédia ==

Hi! I'm GreyDragon from Poképédia (the French wiki), and I'm afraid we may have issues with... well... French guys (French Pokéweb is sometimes troublesome because of their - what they think is - humor). So I come and ask you, since you seem to be the (new) head of Bulbagarden archives (congratulations!).

These good fellows have the greatest idea to create an account, then upload A-rated pictures (mostly men with men, but whatever). Have Bulbagarden achives people already dealt with this kind of trouble? Or do you have any idea which could help us preventing this from happening again?

Or you may know someone who knows someone who knows someone who could help us?

Thank you very much. [[User:GreyDragon|GreyDragon]] 16:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
:I'd suggest that Poképédia works on building a dedicated, serious, effective, and exceptionally active administrative base to help deal with banning the vandals & deleting their images & edits in a timely fashion. Additionally, a MediaWiki setting change could help; setting upload rights specifically to the "{{tt|autoconfirmed|or whatever it's called on Poképédia}}" user group and increasing the number of days/edits needed for a user to enter that group might discourage a fair number of image vandals. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

== Sock puppet ==

Sock puppet alert! -- [[User talk:Trev1234567]] and [[User talk:Trev1234571]] -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 18:58, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
:When the names of two accounts are that extremely similar, and both sign up within mere minutes of one another... It's generally not a sockpuppet. It's more likely that there was a problem with the first account's e-mail, so they had to make another account to properly sign up & start editing. If something like that happens again, and I'm sure it will, feel free to give {{bp|staff|one of us}} a calm message about it. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 23:21, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

== Archives bar ==

Hey there. This is Archives-related, but I assume you check your TP here much more frequently. The bar at the top reads, "Got a spare minute? The Archives needs some love." I realize that's referring to the Archives as a collective unit, hence the singular "needs," but it ought to be "need." I'm a stickler for bringing it up, I know, especially on a talk page, but I just happened to notice it at school and don't have access to AIM. Do you have the technical capabilities to fix that, if you deem it important enough? --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 14:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
:Changed. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

== Little technology bug ==

Over [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Viridian_Forest&action=history here] Magnedeth's edit summary showed outside of the edit summary parentheses and is therefore impossible to see in diffs. I'm just posing this to you because at [[BP:Staff]] it said that you were the technical manager. If you're not the right person, sorry for bugging you. Thanks, --[[User:Kangaroopower|'''Kangaroo''']][[User Talk:Kangaroopower|'''powah''']] 04:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
:What that means it that Deth didn't enter a summary for that edit. There's nothing wrong. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

== Reversion ==

Why exactly did you revert me?--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 04:54, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:As you've been told multiple times on [[Talk:Jessie#Professor Westwood's Slowpoke‎|Jessie's talk page]], Prof. Westward V's Slowpoke/Slowbro does not belong under Jessie's ownership. If there is an ongoing discussion regarding information that may be debatable, nobody should be adding such information to pages unless the discussion resolves with such an addition being acceptable. Such a blatant disregard for an ongoing discussion is '''not''' acceptable, and can result in offending users being blocked. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 05:07, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
::There was no indication that it's been more than one time. He was dancing around a direct answer, yet giving the explanation that Jessie must have done more to qualify for no reason--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 05:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:::MisterE13 stated his point multiple times. When you misunderstood the direct response, he resorted to a metaphor in order to try and explain it. When you complained about that, he restated it directly. From your following comment it appears you misread his direct statement then too. Of course, none of that actually matters. Stuff should ''never'' be added to a page when there's an ongoing discussion about its addition in which there has been no agreement. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:::He didn't give a direct response until I confronted him a second time about it. Stop making things up please--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 05:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

==Article in userspace==
Can i make an article about major vandals that have vandalised bulbapedia in my userspace? (Willy on Wheels, p34r, and Grawp.)--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 06:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:No. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:10, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
::OK but Why?--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 06:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:::There is no point in glamorizing the act of vandalism by giving them even more attention. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 06:23, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
::::[[Bulbapedia:Troublesome users|*cough*]] we do actually have this. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 19:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
::::# That is an '''''old''''' administrative listing from 2006 that has had five updates between then & now (all in 2008). There is also a major difference between a listing meant as a tool to fight vandals, and an article that would just be giving them attention.
::::# Such vandal-related pages (yes, including the Turkey Shoot page) will very likely be going away in the near future, so {{an|Dawn|no need to worry}} about them. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 13:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

==IceLibra's Stunfisk picture==
I know there's really no point in mentioning this, but since I saw that he kept putting it back, I feel I should say something. Obviously it doesn't matter since he was edit warring ''anyway'', but that Stunfisk picture was stolen from Serebii too. Like, literally copied and pasted. I guess I'm just saying to keep an additional eye on him if he's uploading stolen pictures in addition to edit warring, because even if he stops the latter he could still do the former.

Just thought I should say something. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 08:29, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

== Back ==

Hey I'm Back Do you remember me? But... Where is my old enemy PsychicRyder.........!!!!؟؟؟؟???? Another thing I archived my talk page but how to remove the redirects please help me --[[User:Alipikachu|Alipikachu]] ~~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|Talk]] 13:13, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
#Yes, I remember you.
#PsychicRider is no longer a Bulbawiki editor. Additionally, I wouldn't suggest going around calling anyone your enemy.
#Your talk page has been fixed and if you want to know how to do so, just check what I changed via the '''history''' tab on your talk page. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 15:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

== Robbo228 ==

This guy looks like a sockpuppet of LegandofThor2 and Mike234. Might want to look into that. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 19:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
:Looks like it? More like blatantly obvious--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 19:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
::Has been handled. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 19:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

== Userspace ==

'''Hi''' . which pages should i edit to gain the userspace exactly.Is talkpages in that list??
:Another Thing Is that really that you used Persian Names on your pokemons ... U know I'm Persian People
::I wonder if you tell me how did you make the HP Bar on the top of Page???
[[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~~ [[User:Alipikachu|αlιρικαchu]] »-(¯`v´¯)-» [[User talk:Alipikachu|тαlĸ]] ~~ [[Special:EmailUser/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï· ]] 15:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
#''Mainspace'' pages, the ones without a prefix like <code>Talk:</code>, <code>Appendix:</code>, or <code>Shipping:</code>. Examples include [[Ash Ketchum]], [[Pikachu (Pokémon)]], and [[Pokémon Crystal Version]]. However, you should be editing in order to better Bulbapedia, not just to be allowed to edit the userspace.
#Uh, yeah, my Seismitoad from Black uses a mythological Persian name. I am not sure how this is {{bp|talk page policy|relevant to Bulbapedia}}, though...
#You're free to take a look at the code of my archival HP bar {{u|Kogoro/Archives|here}}. When you're allowed to edit the userspace, you're free to try your hand at making something similar. Just don't copy & paste the code or violate the {{bp|userspace policy}}, be original & create your own style. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 03:11, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== What am I? ==

Hi there.I think I'm Autoconfirmed but i can't edit my userspac what is it?
{{unsigned|Alipikachu}}
:{{bp|FAQ#Why can't I make a userpage?|This the reason.}} Also, always sign your talk page comments with four <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.please [[User:Clinton Jai|Jaison Clinton Castelino]] 14:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
::Oh sorry I forgot it [[User:Alipikachu|αlιρικαchu]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|тαlĸ]] 19:04, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
:::That is actually not the case. If you check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AAlipikachu&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], I added you to the abuse usergoup when you were blocked for abusing mainspace pages in order to get the privilege to edit your userpage. Since your return from your ban, you have currently made; '''26''' <code>User talk:</code> edits and '''2''' mainspace edits. When you have made enough contributions to Bulbapedia's mainspace, I will remove you from the abuse usergroup and you will be able to create a user page. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 20:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
::::How many edits should i do? is 10 or 20 enough?--[[User:Alipikachu|αlιρικαchu]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|тαlĸ]] 14:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::::: That is not your concern...... If you have signed in for contributing, then edit the mainspace.........Bulba is a Encyclopaedia ,,,, not a show-off website..............--[[User:Clinton Jai|Jaison]] [[User talk:Clinton Jai|Clinton]] [[Special:Contributions/Clinton Jai|Caste]][[User:Clinton Jai/Shadow Gym|lino]] 14:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::'''@Alipikachu:''' Just like the requirements to gain the userspace normally, I'm not going to give a number. Simply make helpful & correct edits in the mainspace, you will eventually be taken out of the abuse group when the time is right.
::::::'''@Clinton Jai:''' Respectfully, please don't reply to questions that don't concern you. Your response to the first question was incorrect, and the latest question is really something only the {{bp|staff}} should be responding to. Also, you don't need the large mass of periods between statement sections. Thank you, - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 21:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::Sorry I should not have bugged others talk page.--[[User:Clinton Jai|Jaison]] [[User talk:Clinton Jai|Clinton]] [[Special:Contributions/Clinton Jai|Caste]][[User:Clinton Jai/Shadow Gym|lino]] 02:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

== There again ==

hi can u tell me how many edis i have up to now--[[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 08:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:wow what a beautifull sign I have.lol --[[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 08:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::'''Since your return:''' [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|'''3''' Mainspace, '''23''' Redirects, '''55''' User talk, '''4''' Project.]]
::'''Since you registered:''' You can use the above link and count for yourself. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:07, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::But aren't Redirects count as mainspace?__[[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 10:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::No. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 10:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

== Rename ==

Can you change my username???--[[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 11:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:Username changes are a real pain to do and as such are reserved for users that have made a significant number of useful mainspace contributions. You have not yet contributed enough to the wiki. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

== New Language Request ==

Hello, I have a request for my page. Even though it is an odd language, I can speak Hawaiian and I would like to be able to put that as a language template/badge thing for my profile. You know, the "This user is a native speaker (insert language)." So a "This user is a native speaker of Hawaiian" and all other variations of that. Is is possible to create one of those or do we need to have multiple people request that? Thanks for taking time to read my request- [[User:Naui|Naui]] 11:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
:I'm not entirely sure if we'd really need a babel tag specifically for the Hawaiian language, mainly due to it being a regional language rather than a national language. I would suggest that you use the specific {{template|Babel N}}, {{template|Babel 4}}, {{template|Babel 3}}, {{template|Babel 2}}, or {{template|Babel 1}} base tag for your needs, at least for now. If the language does come to show a high enough userbase on Bulbapedia, an official tag may be reasonable & be given approval. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 11:44, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== Non-Authentic Maps ==

I see, thanks. So does that mean they can remain until and if someone manages to produce authentic in-game maps? Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 02:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

== Renaming ==

As follow-ups to [[User talk:Umeko#Another request|this]] and [[User talk:Pokemon lover#Signature|this]], I'd like to request a username change to '''{{tt|SatoMew|Bolded for clarification. And it's in CamelCase indeed.}}'''. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 14:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:Unfortunately, it looks like you are going to have to wait a while longer for the rename. We are currently having some technical issues that prevent us from doing ''any'' renames, and we most likely will not be able to remedy them until June. So, I also regret that I have to request that you modify your signature to contain something that represents your current username. When everything is repaired, we will be sure to let you know and give you the rename if you still want it. I apologize for the inconvenience this causes, - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 10:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== [[Team Galactic HQ#Layout|Team Galactic HQ]] ==

Hi,

May I know how come the maps are to stay at 350px? OK, perhaps my original sizing was far too large, but how come it's 350, rather than, say, 400 or something?

Thanks for your time and have a pleasant day. Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 07:46, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
:The page still requires Platinum maps of the Veilstone Galactic HQ. 400px would cause too much screen stretching for readers using smaller resolutions. 350px will keep any stretching to a minimum, while still offering a reasonably sized thumbnail that allows readers to get an understanding of the floor layouts without making viewing of the full-size map mandatory. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 07:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
::Wow. Thanks for the illuminating explanation. I get it now. Have a nice day :-) Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 09:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black 2 and Pokemon White 2 announced for Australia ==

On spring of 2012, [http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=8316 here]. Just wanted to let you know so you could put it up.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 01:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads up. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 04:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Pokemon Database ==

Hi, Magnedeth deleted {{redlink|Pokemon Database}} but he's away now so I was wondering if you'd be able to restore it please? It's a clearly notable site (pokemondb.net), at least the 5th most popular Pokemon fansite out of ALL of them, if not 4th or 3rd. Just look at how many non-notable and dead sites there are in the fan sites category. Thanks in advance.{{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}

== two usernames ==
There are two people who has the username Grabbergirl; {{tt|Grabbergirl|herself}} and Grabbergirl101. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:33, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Cache Issues ==

Hi, I was told from SnorlaxMonster that you're the technical director here, so I was wondering if you could shed a little light on this. I've been having trouble with the cache, particularly with regards to new versions of images I've been uploading.

What I've been doing is manually emptying the cache via my Firefox browser and/or pressing Ctrl+Shift+R on my browser to force the new image to show – I've even done things like go back to the original Bulbagarden Archives image page to force the new image to show. Most of the time the new image will work on the Bulbagarden Archives page after bypassing the cache, but not always on the Bulbapedia representative page or the article in which the image is used. At other times, editing the page will actually help, but on other occasions even that does not work. In fact, on some other occasions, bypassing the cache will bring up the new image, but refreshing or otherwise re-loading the page through re-bypassing the cache will bring back the old image.

Do you have any other suggestions?

I realize my above post isn't nearly that informative (since not much else is occuring to me at the moment), and that it probably should be my responsibility to provide as much info as I can. If anything more occurs to me (unless you get there and ask me first), I'll be more than glad to answer what I can (since I am, after all, the one asking for assistance).

Thanks for your help and have a pleasant week. Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 12:38, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:It sounds like you're noticing the CDN that we have been using for a while now, rather than actually having a caching issue. Bulbapedia connects to the Bulbagarden Archives indirectly through a {{wp|Content Delivery Network}} (CDN) which periodically updates images in order to reduce the server stress connected to the re-uploading of images. (Compare the URLs of the same file via [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/ae/Ani498MS.png Bulbapedia] and [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/ae/Ani498MS.png the Archives].) This often results in Bulbapedia still displaying older versions of images for a while after a new version is uploaded, since the image isn't being directly accessed from the Archives anymore. Images will generally update on their own within a few hours of a new version being uploaded, often depending on how many times the image is accessed via Bulbapedia. Just give the images some time & they should eventually update. If they still haven't updated after 24 hours, then there may be a problem which you should give me a shout about so I can look into the problem & pass on any relevant information to our techs. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 13:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
::Wow, that was super informative. No wonder. Thanks a lot for your help! :-)
::Regarding the last part of your reply, I uploaded new versions of five images to [[Pokémon_Center#Differences_among_generations|this page]] on 21 March 2012, and over 72 hours later, one of them (specifically the one of the Gen IV Violet City and Ecruteak City Pokémon Center) is still not showing correctly for me on the Bulbapedia page in which it is used. This is despite the fact that both the Bulbapedia and Archives image pages show the updated image, and ''all'' the others I updated and re-uploaded are currently showing properly. Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 13:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::To update, it finally corrected itself today. Thanks for all the help. Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 11:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Pokémon/Nobunaga stuff ==

I just read on [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml Serebii] about in-game passwords for obtaining Pokémon. Should I put this in the article?--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 01:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
:Should it be put in the article? Yes. Should Serebii be used as a source? Absolutely not. All passwords added must come from an official source of some kind, not fansites, and should be linked in either the edit summary or, if there is not enough room, on the talk page. Otherwise they run the risk of being removed as copyright violation. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

== Sandman/Kuki ==

I was surprised to hear that SandmanDP was this Kuki user all this time. What gave it away? Also, those edit wars wouldn't have existed if the sockpuppeting didn't happen. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 18:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
:That's not something we can discuss publicly, lest we give people ideas for avoiding detection when sockpuppeting [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
::If this was something that couldn't be discussed publicly, then it's fine. I brought it up in the first place because of the damage that happened prior to this revelation. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
::To be honest, I wasn't asking about how a user can avoid being detected when sockpuppeting. I was asking about something else; the user being mean to people and accuse them of things that do not exist. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:22, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Jo The Marten#Types' colors|One thing]] ==

Since Jo seems to be inactive (bad luck for me)... What do you think about the thing that I mentioned there? Was in middle of 3rd edit, fixing Ghost-type (since I skipped it), but accidentally pressed Enter and Stadium 2's Ghost-type has wrong color. Not sure if that thing is useful for mainspace, though. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:44, 8 April 2012 (UTC) PS.I didn't fixed the color yet, since I already did 3 edits to userspace, and I am unsure if it's okay to do another edit to fix color.
:Since you're the one collecting this data, you must have some ideas for its purpose and use. So, the questions I have are:
:#What do ''you'' think it would be good for?
:#What do ''you'' think it would it be used for?
:#How do ''you'' feel this will help improve Bulbapedia?
:Building ideas aren't just a matter of collecting some data then handing it off to a Bulbapedia staff member to decide what it could be useful for. If you're going to make something you'd like to see used in the mainspace/templatespace/etc., you need to build the idea all the way to what the use of the data could/would/should be. Then present it for approval/disapproval and additional discussion. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 13:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
::How will improve Bulbapedia? Let's see - Eg. A person speaking English is playing a game of Generation it never played in French language and use a move, having no idea what move it is (not seeing the older animation for it, and that problem is solved with [[:Template:Movegen|template]]). (S)he could simply look what move it is (if there is image for it), but what if it had no idea what is the type of move? If type was known to person, it would take less time (now why would someone get game in foreign language, well there is a lot of reasons). Not sure what is your opinion, but for me it is slightly similar to this [[Template:Movedesc|template]], since that template shows description from various games, while the thing I am doing is "collecting" types' colors from various games, though only RSE and FRLG are 100% accurate as eg. Stadium being more advanced game, when viewed in Paint shows that the white text is not simply white, but rather many shades of white. Could be used in the types' articles like the template is in moves' articles. The only "catch" is that aside from Mystery Dungeon, I can't do much in Generation IV or V games. I found color coding in both Stadium games, RSE, FRLG and counting [[Gummi]], also in both Mystery Dungeon games. Template? Not sure, though probably it's not necessary since I already did a table - but that's only my opinion. Also sorry for any bad English if there's any. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 13:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Generation II map extraction ==

I see you also updated {{img|Fighting Dojo GSC.png}} to show the sprite of the student. What I want to know is which software did you use to extract the map showing the event sprites to an image file. Neither JohtoMap v1.02 nor MegaMap v1.38 allow me to export the maps showing the sprites. And I stopped using GoldMap due to the underlying issues that make it a bad program. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 20:30, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:I didn't extract the map at all. I simply merged the previous two versions of the file together and removed {{ga|Kris}} via Photoshop. Additionally, like the notice at the start of my talk page says: Archives-related queries should be asked [[a:User talk:Kogoro|on my Archives talk page]] rather than my Bulbapedia talk page.. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:05, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

== Signatures ==

Are we allowed to remove the images on signatures even though they are not broken links as I saw it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tesh&curid=20269&diff=1665595&oldid=1246287 here] (I wanted to ask him about it but the talk page was protected)? It was mentioned in the signature policy as well that images weren't allowed in them. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:45, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
:Saw it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:User_Country/List_of_countries&curid=32142&diff=1665594&oldid=1628231 there] as well so it is possible. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:49, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, it's fine to remove all images from signatures while removing the broken file links. About 99% of the signatures with images are from before the signature policy was added, so they were grandfathered. However, with the {{cat|pages with broken file links}} category, it's just easier in the long run to wipe all of the signature images out along with the brokens. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you. :) [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:53, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

== Move the group ==

Hi. Please move me out of abuse group thanks [[User:Alipikachu|'''αlιρικαchu''']] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Alipikachu|·ï¡÷¡ï·]] ~ [[User talk:Alipikachu|'''тαlĸ''']] 14:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
:After a discussion with Bulbapedia's {{u|MAGNEDETH|Editor-in-Chief}}, we have agreed that you have not yet earned the privilege to edit the userspace on Bulbapedia. Due to your history regarding the userspace privilege on Bulbapedia ''and'' Bulbanews, we really feel that you need to better prove that you understand the rules and mission of Bulbapedia before we will remove you from the group and allow you to edit the userspace. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
::Now I Moved to Germany and I'm learning Deutsch and i don't have enough time to surf the net and won't be able to be here every day. {{unsigned|Alipikachu}}
:::If you won't have time to adequately edit the encyclopedic content of Bulbapedia, I'm quite certain you won't have the time to edit your user page. I don't believe being in the abuse user group will be much of an issue for you, then. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 07:38, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

== user page ==

thanks for fix my user page box .................................but.................................you were boring to fix a subnormal page? there--[[User:Kyokencl|kyokencl]] 05:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
:Your user page was categorized in {{cat|Pages with broken file links|this category}} due to the broken image(s). Since that category is best meant to be used as a tool to group pages in need of required images, the image(s) on your user page needed to be removed/repaired in order to remove your user page from the category. Certainly not a matter of boredom. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 07:38, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

== Attitude ==

I don't appreciate being [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=1685669&oldid=1685666 chewed out] in a [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia:FAQ#This_user_is_being_rude_to_me.2C_what_do_I_do.3F rude manner] for making a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|good-faith]] edit based on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=1551590&oldid=1550792 an edit made six months prior and not reverted]. From your response, one would think I was trying to completely redefine the page, when I was taking the page ''as it existed at the time'' and making it more consistent. Truth is, I've been seeing signs all over the place that the administrators of Bulbapedia have lost their capacity for trust - don't bother denying it because [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=1685669&oldid=1685666 yeah], and don't bother justifying this, because I know exactly why it happened and can even sympathize. I know the Pokemon fandom and its propensity for rumors, deliberate misinformation, and trolls. I know all too well why the trust has been lost. But I don't believe this is any excuse to jump down people's throats without making an effort to get the facts straight. (It also bothers me that, despite what [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&diff=1685682&oldid=1685677 Werdnae] said, the [[Pseudo-legendary]] talk page shows a number of people disagreeing with the definition of pseudo-legendaries where types and experience are concerned, but Bulbapedia's aversion to posting in old topics combined with a lack of an open forum make the discussion disorganized. But I'm mainly writing about the attitude.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 16:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

2012-05-29T07:26:16Z

HeroicJay: /* So seriously, what's the definition? */

Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon/Archive 1

2012-05-29T07:09:29Z

HeroicJay: /* So seriously, what's the definition? */ new section

Pseudo-legendary Pokémon

2012-05-29T06:51:56Z

HeroicJay: ... Whoever removed it from the page six months ago and never had it reverted??? Nowhere on the page as it currently stands does it say anything about secondary types except right here.

'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has both a three-stage [[evolution]] line and a [[base stats|base stat total]] of {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the Greek prefix ''pseudo-'', which means "false". Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than other non-[[legendary Pokémon]], possibly due to their high base stats.

==List of pseudo-legendary Pokémon==
There are six Pokémon considered to be pseudo-legendary Pokémon. The following shows the pseudo-legendary Pokémon by the generation of their introduction, as well as their types, and the Pokémon they evolve from.

{| align="center"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{kanto color dark}}; font-size:85%; {{roundy|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{kanto color}}"
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! style="width:80px; background:#{{kanto color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" colspan="2" | [[File:149.png]] '''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}''' 
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Flying (type)|Flying}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}"
| {{MSP|148|Dragonair}}
| {{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}"
| {{MSP|147|Dratini}}
| {{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
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|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{johto color dark}}; font-size:85%; {{roundy|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{johto color}}"
|-
! style="width:80px; background:#{{johto color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" colspan="2" | [[File:248.png]] '''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}''' 
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Rock (type)|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dark (type)|Dark}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{johto color light}}"
| {{MSP|247|Pupitar}}
| {{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{johto color light}}"
| style="background:#{{rock color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Rock (type)|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Ground (type)|Ground}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{johto color light}}"
| {{MSP|246|Larvitar}}
| {{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{rock color}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Rock (type)|Rock}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Ground (type)|Ground}}
|}
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{hoenn color dark}}; text-align: center; font-size:85%; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 5px solid #{{hoenn color}}"
|-
! style="width:80px; background:#{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" colspan="2" | [[File:373.png]] '''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}''' 
! style="width:80px; background:#{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" colspan="2" | [[File:376.png]] '''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Flying (type)|Flying}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Steel (type)|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Psychic (type)|Psychic}}
|- style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}"
| {{MSP|372|Shelgon}}
| {{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| {{MSP|375|Metang}}
| {{pcolor|Metang|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Steel (type)|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Psychic (type)|Psychic}}
|- style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}"
| {{MSP|371|Bagon}}
| {{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
| {{MSP|374|Beldum}}
| {{pcolor|Beldum|{{hoenn color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Steel (type)|Steel}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Psychic (type)|Psychic}}
|}
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{sinnoh color dark}}; font-size:85%; {{roundy|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{sinnoh color}}"
|-
! style="width:80px; background:#{{sinnoh color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" colspan="2" | [[File:445.png]] '''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}''' 
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Ground (type)|Ground}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}"
| {{MSP|444|Gabite}}
| {{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Ground (type)|Ground}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}"
| {{MSP|443|Gible}}
| {{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Ground (type)|Ground}}
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{| align="center" style="background: #{{unova color dark}}; font-size:85%; {{roundy|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{unova color}}"
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! style="width:80px; background:#{{unova color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" colspan="2" | [[File:635.png]] '''{{pcolor|Hydreigon|{{unova color dark}}}}''' 
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dark (type)|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{Dragon color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{unova color light}}"
| {{MSP|634|Zweilous}}
| {{pcolor|Zweilous|{{unova color dark}}}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{unova color light}}"
| style="background:#{{dark color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dark (type)|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{Dragon color}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{unova color light}}"
| {{MSP|633|Deino}}
| {{pcolor|Deino|{{unova color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{dark color}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dark (type)|Dark}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{color2|FFFFFF|Dragon (type)|Dragon}}
|}
|}

==Characteristics==
With the exception of the {{p|Garchomp}} and {{p|Hydreigon}} evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the [[legendary trio]]s in the [[Pokédex]]es of their respective [[generation]]s. In both the [[National Pokédex]] and [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokédex]], the evolutionary lines of {{p|Dragonite}} and {{p|Tyranitar}} are located just after the [[legendary trio]] of their respective Generation (they are located next to each other in the Johto Pokédex). Similarly, the {{p|Salamence}} and {{p|Metagross}} lines are located next to each other right before the [[legendary golems]] in both the National Pokédex and [[List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number|Hoenn Pokédex]]. Oddly, this tradition was not upheld in [[Generation IV]], as the Garchomp [[evolution]] line is situated next to no notable Pokémon. In [[Generation V]], the Hydreigon line is located next to the {{p|Volcarona}} line, which is adjacent to the legendary Pokémon.

Pseudo-legendary Pokémon usually have {{stat|Attack}} as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon, which has {{stat|Special Attack}} as its highest stat. Their respective base evolutions' base stat total are {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 300|300}}, while their second stage' base stat total are {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 420|420}}, excluding {{p|Pupitar}} and {{p|Gabite}}, which have {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 410|410}}.

===Statistical averages===
{{BaseStatNoCat|
HP=94.33 |
Attack=128.83 |
Defense=100 |
SpAtk=100.83 |
SpDef=90.83 |
Speed=85.17 }}

===Individual characteristics===
====Dragonite====
Aside from being the first pseudo-legendary Pokémon in [[National Pokédex]] order, Dragonite has the highest Special Defense tied with Tyranitar.

====Tyranitar====
Tyranitar is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that can neither fly nor levitate, as well as the slowest of the pseudo-legendary Pokémon. When a {{weather|sandstorm}} is raging, Tyranitar's {{stat|Special Defense}} becomes the highest of all pseudo-legendary Pokémon.

====Salamence====
Physically, Salamence is the shortest pseudo-legendary Pokémon. Salamence has the lowest defenses of all pseudo-legendary Pokémon. However, it has the highest Attack (tied with Metagross).

====Metagross====
Metagross has a large number of characteristics which are different from the other pseudo-legendary Pokémon. This is likely due to how it is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that does not appear to be based on a reptile; rather, it is a robotic life form. This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by [[Lance]] in any game (aside from Hydreigon, as Lance has not yet appeared in a game since its introduction), as he prefers {{type2|Dragon}} and draconic Pokémon.

Metagross is the only genderless pseudo-legendary Pokémon, and the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon whose first stage of evolution, {{p|Beldum}}, cannot be caught in the wild in its debut generation (one is received from [[Steven Stone]] instead). Metagross and its pre-evolutions have a [[catch rate]] of 3 (all the other pseudo-legendary Pokémon families have a catch rate of 45), and it has the highest base Defense of all the pseudo-legendary Pokémon.

====Garchomp====
Garchomp is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to have [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences]], as well as having the fewest resistances. It is the fastest with a base {{stat|Speed}} stat of 102 and has the highest base {{stat|HP}}, with 108. It is also the lightest pseudo-legendary Pokémon.

====Hydreigon====
Due to being the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to have a higher {{stat|Special Attack}} stat than {{stat|Attack}}, Hydreigon's stats give it a number of unique characteristics from the other pseudo-legendary Pokémon. Consequently, it has the highest base Special Attack of all the pseudo-legendary Pokémon, and likewise, the lowest base Attack of all the pseudo-legendary Pokémon. Similarly, it is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that does not have a base stat over 125, but it is also the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that does not have a base stat under 90.

Hydreigon is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon with multiple elemental immunities (however its immunity to {{t|Ground}} is due to its Ability, {{a|Levitate}}). Of the {{type2|Dragon}} pseudo-legendary Pokémon, it is the only one not to have a 4× weaknesses to {{type2|Ice}} attacks and as of {{v2|Black and White|s}}, the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to have never been used by a {{pkmn|Champion}}. However, it is used by [[Ghetsis]], the last Trainer the player battles in the main storyline in {{game|Black and White|s}}.

====Other====
* Tyranitar and Hydreigon are the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that have a [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|unique type combination]].
* {{p|Metagross}} and Hydreigon are the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that do not have any 4× weaknesses.
* Salamence and Metagross have the highest {{stat|Attack}} of all pseudo-legendary Pokémon with a base 135 stat.
* Tyranitar and Metagross are the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that are not Dragon-type.

==In the games==
These Pokémon are used in-game often by the members of the [[Elite Four]] and {{pkmn|Champion}}s. {{p|Dragonite}} is used by [[Lance]], the final Elite Four member in [[Generation I]] and {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}; it is used again by Lance as the Champion in [[Generation II]] and {{v2|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}. In HeartGold and SoulSilver, Lance uses a {{p|Dragonite}}, but when he is [[rematch|battled again]], he replaces two of his three Dragonite with the two other {{type2|Dragon}} pseudo-legendary Pokémon, {{p|Salamence}} and {{p|Garchomp}}. {{p|Tyranitar}} is also used by Lance in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]] (both Round 1 and 2), as well as by {{ga|Blue}}, the Champion, but only in the second round of the Elite Four in FireRed and LeafGreen. {{p|Salamence}} is used by {{EF|Drake}}, the final Elite Four member in {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}. {{p|Metagross}} is used by [[Steven Stone]], the Champion in Ruby and Sapphire, and ex-Champion in {{v2|Emerald}}. It is also used by [[Caitlin]] during her rematch. {{p|Garchomp}} is used by [[Cynthia]], the Champion in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}. {{p|Hydreigon}} is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to have not been used by a {{pkmn|Champion}}; however, it is used by [[Ghetsis]], who serves as the final boss in the Unova games.

Although pseudo-legendary Pokémon are used almost exclusively by the final members of the [[Elite Four]] and {{pkmn|Champion}}s, there are three minor exceptions in {{3v|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}: {{tc|Ace Trainer}} Felix on {{rt|229|Sinnoh}} uses {{p|Salamence}}, and {{tc|Ace Trainer}} Jamie on {{rt|224|Sinnoh}} has {{p|Metagross}}, serving as cameo appearances for the movie characters [[Butler]] and {{mov|Rebecca}}, who used these pseudo-legendary Pokémon in their respective {{pkmn|movie}}s. {{tc|Dragon Tamer}} Darien, who is located outside of [[Stark Mountain]], uses a Dragonite, but is not related to any movies.

Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first two games of their Generation. However, {{p|Dragonair}} is obtainable in the wild in most games where {{p|Dratini}} is (all but {{3v2|Red|Green|Blue}}). Likewise, {{p|Pupitar}} is available in the wild in {{v2|Crystal}} and {{v2|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}. {{p|Gabite}} is also found in {{si|Victory Road}} in {{v2|Platinum}}. {{p|Metang}} and {{p|Shelgon}} can also be found in the {{safari|Johto}} in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}. In {{game|Black and White|s}}, {{p|Larvitar}}, {{p|Beldum}}, {{p|Shelgon}}, {{p|Salamence}}, the entire {{p|Garchomp}} line, {{p|Zweilous}} and {{p|Hydreigon}} are the only stages that cannot be caught in the wild. For the first time, final stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon can be caught in the wild.

===As Shadow Pokémon===
In story mode of [[Pokémon Colosseum]], {{pkmn2|Shadow}} {{p|Metagross}} is used by [[Nascour]] and Shadow {{p|Tyranitar}} is used by [[Evice]]; it is notable that the two [[Cipher]] leaders have positions comparable to those of the final [[Elite Four]] member and {{pkmn|Champion}}, respectively. {{Pokémon XD}} complemented the list of pseudo-legendarary Pokémon as of [[Generation III]] by featuring Shadow {{p|Salamence}} (used by [[Eldes]]) and Shadow {{p|Dragonite}} (used by [[Miror B.]]). Another commonality is that all four pseudo-legendary Pokémon have {{m|Shadow Rush}} as one of their Shadow moves.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Cynthia Garchomp.png|thumb|right|200px|[[Cynthia's Garchomp]] in the anime]]
All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime.
* {{p|Dragonite}} debuted [[Giant Pokémon|as a silhouette]] in ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]]'', but appeared physically in ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''.
** Dragonite has also appeared {{TP|Drake|belonging to Drake|Dragonite}} and {{TP|Lance|to Lance|Dragonite}}, who are both regional {{pkmn|Champion}}s.
* {{TP|Vicious|Tyranitar}} debuted in ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]''.
* {{p|Salamence}} debuted in ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]''.
* {{p|Metagross}} debuted in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]''.
* {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}} debuted in ''[[DP040|Top-Down Training!]]'', belonging to [[Cynthia]].
** Cynthia's Garchomp also appeared in the opening of ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''.
* {{p|Hydreigon}} debuted in ''[[M14|White—Victini and Zekrom and Black—Victini and Reshiram]]'' under the ownership of [[Carlita]]. It was a [[Shiny Pokémon]] in the former.

==Trivia==
* [[Generation III]] is the only generation so far to have introduced more than one pseudo-legendary Pokémon.
* All pseudo-legendary Pokémon that existed at the time were available as [[Shadow Pokémon]] in either [[Pokémon Colosseum]] (Tyranitar and Metagross) or {{Pokémon XD}} (Dragonite and Salamence).
* Among Pokémon commonly mistaken for pseudo-legendary Pokémon are {{p|Slaking}}, {{p|Flygon}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Volcarona}}, and {{p|Haxorus}}. For one reason or another, these Pokémon do not fit the criteria of those above and so are not pseudo-legendary Pokémon.
** Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon. However, it lacks a base-stat total of 600. Slaking's high stats are likely due to being hindered by its Ability, {{a|Truant}}.
* {{Ash}} is the first main character in the anime to own [[Ash's Gible|a member]] of a pseudo-legendary family; however, it could be considered his second if {{AP|Larvitar}} is counted, but he only cared for it temporarily.
* In [[Generation IV]], the first stage of all existing pseudo-legendary Pokémon are available in the [[Johto Safari Zone]].
* {{p|Metagross}} is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that doesn't share at least one type with another pseudo-legendary. It is also the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that cannot learn any {{type|Dragon}} moves.
* {{p|Tyranitar}} is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in: {{p|Dragonite}} is used by [[Lance]], {{p|Salamence}} by {{EF|Drake}}, Metagross by [[Steven Stone]], {{p|Garchomp}} by [[Cynthia]] and {{p|Hydreigon}} by [[Ghetsis]].
** However, Tyranitar was used by {{ga|Blue}} in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions]], but only in the [[rematch]].
* Every pseudo-legendary Pokémon is immune to at least one [[type]]. {{p|Dragonite}} to {{t|Ground}}, {{p|Tyranitar}} and {{p|Hydreigon}} to {{t|Psychic}}, {{p|Metagross}} to {{t|Poison}}, {{p|Garchomp}} to {{t|Electric}}.

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{{Project Fandom notice}}

[[Category:Fanon terminology]]

[[it:Pseudo-leggendario]]
[[ja:擬似伝説]]
[[pl:Pokemon pseudo legendarny]]

Pseudo-legendary Pokémon

2012-05-29T06:13:24Z

HeroicJay: /* Trivia */ This isn't listed as a qualifying trait for pseudos any more, just a trait they all happen to have.

Ability

2012-05-25T21:02:31Z

HeroicJay: Bronzor, Bronzong, and...?

'''Abilities''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|とくせい|特性}}''' ''special characteristic'') are a game mechanic introduced in [[Generation III]]. Individual Pokémon may have just one of these special attributes at a time, which generally serve to assist them in battle. An Ability cannot be changed after a Pokémon is obtained except by [[evolution]], where the Ability it changes into is determined by the former Ability, and [[Form differences|form change]]. Not every Ability is beneficial; some will hinder the user.

==Mechanics==
Some Pokémon have more than one possible Ability. In this case, the chances of obtaining a Pokémon with a particular Ability are equally likely. These Pokémon are known as "dual Ability" Pokémon; similarly, those with only one are known as "single Ability" Pokémon. Some single Ability Pokémon may have Abilities unique to themselves or their evolutionary lines: a signature Ability. However, in the [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] series, dual Ability Pokémon have both Abilities at the same time.

Pokémon that [[Evolution|evolve]] and have a certain Ability in their pre-evolution (dual-Ability Pokémon only), but evolve into a dual-Ability Pokémon upon evolution (such as {{p|Poochyena}} with {{a|Run Away}} or {{a|Quick Feet}} evolving into {{p|Mightyena}} with {{a|Intimidate}} or {{a|Quick Feet}}), the Pokémon will keep its Ability from its pre-evolution upon evolving (so a Poochyena with Quick Feet in [[Generation IV]] would keep its Ability upon evolving into a Mightyena, while one with Run Away would evolve into a Mightyena with Intimidate instead). If the Pokémon is a single-Ability Pokémon, then it will still have a 50% chance for each if its evolution is a dual-Ability (dependent on {{IV}}s).

In [[Generation IV]], several Pokémon obtainable in [[Generation III]] gained new Abilities, becoming dual-Ability Pokémon. These Pokémon will keep the Ability they had in Generation III unless they evolve, when their Ability will be recalculated. All Generation III Abilities were maintained, with the exception of the unused {{a|Cacophony}}. The only Ability listed after Cacophony in the game data, {{a|Air Lock}}, was renumbered, and the new Abilities followed after.

===Hidden Abilities===
{{main|List of Pokémon with released Hidden Abilities}}
[[Generation V]] introduced Hidden Abilities, providing {{cat|Pokémon without Hidden Abilities|almost all Pokémon}} with another Ability. These Abilities are not found on Pokémon found randomly in the wild; only Pokémon obtained under special circumstances have these Abilities. All Pokémon obtained from the [[Pokémon Global Link]], either via the [[Pokémon Dream World]] or a [[List of Pokémon Global Link promotions|promotion]], will always have their Hidden Ability, if they have one. Certain [[event Pokémon]] may also have their Hidden Ability. In addition, two incidences of Pokémon found in-game, the five {{p|Darmanitan}} in the [[Resort Desert]] and the {{p|Musharna}} found every Friday in the [[Dreamyard]], also have their Hidden Ability.

If a female Pokémon has a Hidden Ability and is bred, it has a 60% chance to give that Ability to each of its children. Hidden Abilities cannot be passed down from male or genderless Pokémon, or when breeding with {{p|Ditto}}.

==List of Abilities==
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|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" align="center" class="sortable" style="background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #ddf; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #ddf;"
! #
! Name
! Effect
! Generation
! Single
! Dual
! Hidden
|-
| align="center"| 091
| align="center"| {{a|Adaptability}}
| align="left"| Powers up moves of the same type.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 106
| align="center"| {{a|Aftermath}}
| align="left"| Damages the foe landing the finishing hit.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 076
| align="center"| {{a|Air Lock}}
| align="left"| Eliminates the effects of weather.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 148
| align="center"| {{a|Analytic}}
| align="left"| Strengthens moves when moving last.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 12
|-
| align="center"| 083
| align="center"| {{a|Anger Point}}
| align="left"| Raises Attack upon taking a critical hit.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 107
| align="center"| {{a|Anticipation}}
| align="left"| Senses the foe’s dangerous moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 1
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| align="center"| 071
| align="center"| {{a|Arena Trap}}
| align="left"| Prevents the foe from fleeing.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 123
| align="center"| {{a|Bad Dreams}}
| align="left"| Reduces a sleeping foe’s HP.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
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| align="center"| 004
| align="center"| {{a|Battle Armor}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon is protected against critical hits.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 145
| align="center"| {{a|Big Pecks}}
| align="left"| Protects the Pokémon from Defense-lowering attacks.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 7
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 066
| align="center"| {{a|Blaze}}
| align="left"| Powers up Fire-type moves in a pinch.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 15
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| -
| align="center"| {{a|Cacophony}}
| align="left"| Avoids sound-based moves.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 034
| align="center"| {{a|Chlorophyll}}
| align="left"| Boosts the Pokémon’s Speed in sunshine.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 10
| align="center"| 19
| align="center"| 6
|-
| align="center"| 029
| align="center"| {{a|Clear Body}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon’s stats from being lowered.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 013
| align="center"| {{a|Cloud Nine}}
| align="left"| Eliminates the effects of weather.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 016
| align="center"| {{a|Color Change}}
| align="left"| Changes the Pokémon’s type to the foe’s move.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 014
| align="center"| {{a|Compoundeyes}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon’s accuracy is boosted.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 126
| align="center"| {{a|Contrary}}
| align="left"| Inverts stat modifiers.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 130
| align="center"| {{a|Cursed Body}}
| align="left"| Has a 30% chance of Disabling any move that hits the Pokémon.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 3
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| align="center"| 056
| align="center"| {{a|Cute Charm}}
| align="left"| Contact with the Pokémon may cause infatuation.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 8
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 006
| align="center"| {{a|Damp}}
| align="left"| Prevents combatants from self destructing.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 8
| align="center"| 10
|-
| align="center"| 129
| align="center"| {{a|Defeatist}}
| align="left"| Halves Attack and Special Attack below 50% HP.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 128
| align="center"| {{a|Defiant}}
| align="left"| Raises Attack two stages upon having any stat lowered.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 10
|-
| align="center"| 088
| align="center"| {{a|Download}}
| align="left"| Adjusts power according to the foe’s lowest defensive stat.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 002
| align="center"| {{a|Drizzle}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon makes it rain if it appears in battle.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 070
| align="center"| {{a|Drought}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon makes it sunny if it is in battle.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 087
| align="center"| {{a|Dry Skin}}
| align="left"| Reduces HP if it is hot. Water restores HP.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 048
| align="center"| {{a|Early Bird}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon awakens quickly from sleep.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 13
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 027
| align="center"| {{a|Effect Spore}}
| align="left"| Contact may paralyze, poison, or cause sleep.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 111
| align="center"| {{a|Filter}}
| align="left"| Powers down super- effective moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 049
| align="center"| {{a|Flame Body}}
| align="left"| Contact with the Pokémon may burn the foe.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 138
| align="center"| {{a|Flare Boost}}
| align="left"| Increases Special Attack to 1.5× when burned.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 018
| align="center"| {{a|Flash Fire}}
| align="left"| Powers up Fire-type moves if hit by a fire move.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 10
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 122
| align="center"| {{a|Flower Gift}}
| align="left"| Powers up party Pokémon when it is sunny.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 059
| align="center"| {{a|Forecast}}
| align="left"| Transforms with the weather.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 108
| align="center"| {{a|Forewarn}}
| align="left"| Determines what moves the foe has.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 132
| align="center"| {{a|Friend Guard}}
| align="left"| Decreases damage inflicted against ally Pokémon.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 119
| align="center"| {{a|Frisk}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon can check the foe’s held item.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 082
| align="center"| {{a|Gluttony}}
| align="left"| Encourages the early use of a held Berry.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 9
|-
| align="center"| 062
| align="center"| {{a|Guts}}
| align="left"| Boosts Attack if there is a status problem.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 14
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 139
| align="center"| {{a|Harvest}}
| align="left"| Restores any held Berry after the turn on which it is used.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 131
| align="center"| {{a|Healer}}
| align="left"| Has a 30% chance of curing each adjacent ally of any major status ailment after each turn.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 085
| align="center"| {{a|Heatproof}}
| align="left"| Weakens the power of Fire-type moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 134
| align="center"| {{a|Heavy Metal}}
| align="left"| Doubles the Pokémon's weight.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 118
| align="center"| {{a|Honey Gather}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon may gather Honey from somewhere.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 037
| align="center"| {{a|Huge Power}}
| align="left"| Raises the Pokémon’s Attack stat.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 055
| align="center"| {{a|Hustle}}
| align="left"| Boosts the Attack stat, but lowers accuracy.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 7
| align="center"| 8
|-
| align="center"| 093
| align="center"| {{a|Hydration}}
| align="left"| Heals status problems if it is raining.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 7
| align="center"| 9
|-
| align="center"| 052
| align="center"| {{a|Hyper Cutter}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Attack stat from being lowered.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 9
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 115
| align="center"| {{a|Ice Body}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon regains HP in a hailstorm.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 035
| align="center"| {{a|Illuminate}}
| align="left"| Raises the likelihood of meeting wild Pokémon.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 149
| align="center"| {{a|Illusion}}
| align="left"| Takes the appearance of the last conscious party Pokémon upon being sent out until hit by a damaging move.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 017
| align="center"| {{a|Immunity}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon from getting poisoned.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 150
| align="center"| {{a|Imposter}}
| align="left"| Transforms upon entering battle.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 151
| align="center"| {{a|Infiltrator}}
| align="left"| Ignores Light Screen, Reflect, and Safeguard.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 9
|-
| align="center"| 039
| align="center"| {{a|Inner Focus}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon is protected from flinching.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 16
| align="center"| 6
|-
| align="center"| 015
| align="center"| {{a|Insomnia}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon from falling asleep.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 10
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 022
| align="center"| {{a|Intimidate}}
| align="left"| Lowers the foe’s Attack stat.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 19
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 160
| align="center"| {{a|Iron Barbs}}
| align="left"| Damages attacking Pokémon for 1/8 their max HP on contact.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 089
| align="center"| {{a|Iron Fist}}
| align="left"| Boosts the power of punching moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 154
| align="center"| {{a|Justified}}
| align="left"| Raises Attack when hit by dark-type moves.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 051
| align="center"| {{a|Keen Eye}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon from losing accuracy.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 19
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 103
| align="center"| {{a|Klutz}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon can’t use any held items.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 102
| align="center"| {{a|Leaf Guard}}
| align="left"| Prevents status problems in sunny weather.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 026
| align="center"| {{a|Levitate}}
| align="left"| Gives full immunity to all Ground-type moves.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 30
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 135
| align="center"| {{a|Light Metal}}
| align="left"| Halves the Pokémon's weight.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 031
| align="center"| {{a|Lightningrod}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon draws in all Electric-type moves.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 9
| align="center"| 6
|-
| align="center"| 007
| align="center"| {{a|Limber}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon is protected from paralysis.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 7
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 064
| align="center"| {{a|Liquid Ooze}}
| align="left"| Inflicts damage on foes using any draining move.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 156
| align="center"| {{a|Magic Bounce}}
| align="left"| Reflects most non-damaging moves back at their user.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 098
| align="center"| {{a|Magic Guard}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon only takes damage from attacks.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 7
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 040
| align="center"| {{a|Magma Armor}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon from becoming frozen.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 042
| align="center"| {{a|Magnet Pull}}
| align="left"| Prevents Steel-type Pokémon from escaping.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 063
| align="center"| {{a|Marvel Scale}}
| align="left"| Boosts Defense if there is a status problem.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 058
| align="center"| {{a|Minus}}
| align="left"| Boosts Sp. Atk if another Pokémon has Plus.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 104
| align="center"| {{a|Mold Breaker}}
| align="left"| Moves can be used regardless of Abilities.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 6
|-
| align="center"| 141
| align="center"| {{a|Moody}}
| align="left"| Raises a random stat two stages and lowers another one stage after each turn.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 078
| align="center"| {{a|Motor Drive}}
| align="left"| Raises Speed if hit by an Electric-type move.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 153
| align="center"| {{a|Moxie}}
| align="left"| Raises Attack one stage upon KOing a Pokémon.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 6
|-
| align="center"| 136
| align="center"| {{a|Multiscale}}
| align="left"| Halves damage taken from full HP.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 121
| align="center"| {{a|Multitype}}
| align="left"| Changes type to match the held Plate.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 152
| align="center"| {{a|Mummy}}
| align="left"| [[Contact]] with this Pokémon spreads this Ability.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 030
| align="center"| {{a|Natural Cure}}
| align="left"| All status problems are healed upon switching out.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 10
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 099
| align="center"| {{a|No Guard}}
| align="left"| Ensures the Pokémon and its foe’s attacks land.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 096
| align="center"| {{a|Normalize}}
| align="left"| All the Pokémon’s moves become the Normal type.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 012
| align="center"| {{a|Oblivious}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon from becoming infatuated.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 16
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 142
| align="center"| {{a|Overcoat}}
| align="left"| Protects against damage from weather.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 12
|-
| align="center"| 065
| align="center"| {{a|Overgrow}}
| align="left"| Powers up Grass-type moves in a pinch.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 15
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 020
| align="center"| {{a|Own Tempo}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon from becoming confused.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 13
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 124
| align="center"| {{a|Pickpocket}}
| align="left"| Steals attacking Pokémon's held item on contact.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 053
| align="center"| {{a|Pickup}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon may pick up items.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 9
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 057
| align="center"| {{a|Plus}}
| align="left"| Boosts Sp. Atk if another Pokémon has Minus.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 090
| align="center"| {{a|Poison Heal}}
| align="left"| Restores HP if the Pokémon is poisoned.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 038
| align="center"| {{a|Poison Point}}
| align="left"| Contact with the Pokémon may poison the foe.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 14
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 143
| align="center"| {{a|Poison Touch}}
| align="left"| Has a {{tt|30|20 in the Japanese versions of Black and White}}% chance of poisoning Pokémon upon contact when attacking.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 158
| align="center"| {{a|Prankster}}
| align="left"| Raises non-damaging moves' priority by one stage.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 046
| align="center"| {{a|Pressure}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon raises the foe’s PP usage.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 18
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 074
| align="center"| {{a|Pure Power}}
| align="left"| Boosts the power of physical attacks.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 095
| align="center"| {{a|Quick Feet}}
| align="left"| Boosts Speed if there is a status problem.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 044
| align="center"| {{a|Rain Dish}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon gradually recovers HP in rain.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 8
|-
| align="center"| 155
| align="center"| {{a|Rattled}}
| align="left"| Raises Speed one stage upon being hit by a Dark, Ghost, or Bug move.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 11
|-
| align="center"| 120
| align="center"| {{a|Reckless}}
| align="left"| Powers up moves that have recoil damage.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 8
|-
| align="center"| 144
| align="center"| {{a|Regenerator}}
| align="left"| Heals for 1/3 max HP upon leaving battle.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 14
|-
| align="center"| 079
| align="center"| {{a|Rivalry}}
| align="left"| Raises Attack if the foe is of the same gender.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 12
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 069
| align="center"| {{a|Rock Head}}
| align="left"| Protects the Pokémon from recoil damage.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 16
| align="center"| {{tt|1|Blue-striped Basculin obtained in a trade in Pokémon White}}
|-
| align="center"| 024
| align="center"| {{a|Rough Skin}}
| align="left"| Inflicts damage to the foe on contact.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 050
| align="center"| {{a|Run Away}}
| align="left"| Enables sure getaway from wild Pokémon.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 16
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 159
| align="center"| {{a|Sand Force}}
| align="left"| Strengthens Rock, Ground, and Steel moves to 1.3× their power during a sandstorm.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 11
|-
| align="center"| 146
| align="center"| {{a|Sand Rush}}
| align="left"| Doubles Speed during a sandstorm.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 045
| align="center"| {{a|Sand Stream}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon summons a sandstorm in battle.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 008
| align="center"| {{a|Sand Veil}}
| align="left"| Boosts the Pokémon’s evasion in a sandstorm.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 7
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 157
| align="center"| {{a|Sap Sipper}}
| align="left"| Absorbs Grass moves, raising Attack one stage.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 8
|-
| align="center"| 113
| align="center"| {{a|Scrappy}}
| align="left"| Enables moves to hit Ghost-type foes.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 032
| align="center"| {{a|Serene Grace}}
| align="left"| Boosts the likelihood of added effects appearing.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 8
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 023
| align="center"| {{a|Shadow Tag}}
| align="left"| Prevents the foe from escaping.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 6
|-
| align="center"| 061
| align="center"| {{a|Shed Skin}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon may heal its own status problems.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 10
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 125
| align="center"| {{a|Sheer Force}}
| align="left"| Strengthens moves with extra effects to 1.3× their power, but prevents their extra effects.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 17
|-
| align="center"| 075
| align="center"| {{a|Shell Armor}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon is protected against critical hits.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 13
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 019
| align="center"| {{a|Shield Dust}}
| align="left"| Blocks the added effects of attacks taken.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 086
| align="center"| {{a|Simple}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon is prone to wild stat changes.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 092
| align="center"| {{a|Skill Link}}
| align="left"| Increases the frequency of multi-strike moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 112
| align="center"| {{a|Slow Start}}
| align="left"| Temporarily halves Attack and Speed.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 097
| align="center"| {{a|Sniper}}
| align="left"| Powers up moves if they become critical hits.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 7
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 081
| align="center"| {{a|Snow Cloak}}
| align="left"| Raises evasion in a hailstorm.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 117
| align="center"| {{a|Snow Warning}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon summons a hailstorm in battle.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 094
| align="center"| {{a|Solar Power}}
| align="left"| Boosts Sp. Atk, but lowers HP in sunshine.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 116
| align="center"| {{a|Solid Rock}}
| align="left"| Powers down super- effective moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 043
| align="center"| {{a|Soundproof}}
| align="left"| Gives full immunity to all sound-based moves.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 003
| align="center"| {{a|Speed Boost}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon’s Speed stat is gradually boosted.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 100
| align="center"| {{a|Stall}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon moves after even slower foes.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 009
| align="center"| {{a|Static}}
| align="left"| Contact with the Pokémon may cause paralysis.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 9
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 080
| align="center"| {{a|Steadfast}}
| align="left"| Raises Speed each time the Pokémon flinches.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 001
| align="center"| {{a|Stench}}
| align="left"| The stench helps keep wild Pokémon away.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 060
| align="center"| {{a|Sticky Hold}}
| align="left"| Protects the Pokémon from item theft.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 8
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 114
| align="center"| {{a|Storm Drain}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon draws in all Water-type moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 005
| align="center"| {{a|Sturdy}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon is protected against 1-hit KO attacks.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 8
| align="center"| 22
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 021
| align="center"| {{a|Suction Cups}}
| align="left"| Negates moves that force switching out.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 105
| align="center"| {{a|Super Luck}}
| align="left"| Heightens the critical-hit ratios of moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 6
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 068
| align="center"| {{a|Swarm}}
| align="left"| Powers up Bug-type moves in a pinch.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 16
| align="center"| 4
|-
| align="center"| 033
| align="center"| {{a|Swift Swim}}
| align="left"| Boosts the Pokémon’s Speed in rain.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 8
| align="center"| 20
| align="center"| 10
|-
| align="center"| 028
| align="center"| {{a|Synchronize}}
| align="left"| Passes on a burn, poison, or paralysis to the foe.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 3
| align="center"| 12
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 077
| align="center"| {{a|Tangled Feet}}
| align="left"| Raises evasion if the Pokémon is confused.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 101
| align="center"| {{a|Technician}}
| align="left"| Powers up the Pokémon’s weaker moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 9
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 140
| align="center"| {{a|Telepathy}}
| align="left"| Protects against damaging moves from friendly Pokémon.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 12
|-
| align="center"| 164
| align="center"| {{a|Teravolt}}
| align="left"| Moves can be used regardless of Abilities.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 047
| align="center"| {{a|Thick Fat}}
| align="left"| Raises resistance to Fire- and Ice-type moves.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 15
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 110
| align="center"| {{a|Tinted Lens}}
| align="left"| Powers up “not very effective” moves.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 067
| align="center"| {{a|Torrent}}
| align="left"| Powers up Water-type moves in a pinch.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 15
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 137
| align="center"| {{a|Toxic Boost}}
| align="left"| Increases Attack to 1.5× when poisoned.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 036
| align="center"| {{a|Trace}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon copies a foe's Ability.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 5
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 054
| align="center"| {{a|Truant}}
| align="left"| The Pokémon can't attack on consecutive turns.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 163
| align="center"| {{a|Turboblaze}}
| align="left"| Moves can be used regardless of Abilities.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 109
| align="center"| {{a|Unaware}}
| align="left"| Ignores any change in stats by the foe.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 084
| align="center"| {{a|Unburden}}
| align="left"| Raises Speed if a held item is used.
| align="center"| IV
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 5
|-
| align="center"| 127
| align="center"| {{a|Unnerve}}
| align="left"| Prevents opposing Pokémon from eating held Berries.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 15
|-
| align="center"| 162
| align="center"| {{a|Victory Star}}
| align="left"| Raises moves' accuracy to 1.1× for friendly Pokémon.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 072
| align="center"| {{a|Vital Spirit}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon from falling asleep.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 010
| align="center"| {{a|Volt Absorb}}
| align="left"| Restores HP if hit by an Electric-type move.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 2
| align="center"| 2
|-
| align="center"| 011
| align="center"| {{a|Water Absorb}}
| align="left"| Restores HP if hit by a Water-type move.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 12
| align="center"| 8
|-
| align="center"| 041
| align="center"| {{a|Water Veil}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon from getting a burn.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 4
| align="center"| 7
|-
| align="center"| 133
| align="center"| {{a|Weak Armor}}
| align="left"| Raises Speed and lowers Defense by one stage each upon being hit by any move.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 15
|-
| align="center"| 073
| align="center"| {{a|White Smoke}}
| align="left"| Prevents the Pokémon’s stats from being lowered.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
|-
| align="center"| 025
| align="center"| {{a|Wonder Guard}}
| align="left"| Only super effective moves will hit.
| align="center"| III
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
|-
| align="center"| 147
| align="center"| {{a|Wonder Skin}}
| align="left"| Has a 50% chance of protecting against non-damaging moves that inflict major status ailments.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
| align="center"| 3
|-
| align="center"| 161
| align="center"| {{a|Zen Mode}}
| align="left"| Changes the Pokémon's shape when HP is halved.
| align="center"| V
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 0
| align="center"| 1
|}
|}

==In the anime==
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Starting in the {{series|Advanced Generation}}, Abilities have been shown in the anime. Usually they are only used in battles, but sometimes they have an effect on the plot, such as [[Ash's Infernape]]'s {{a|Blaze}}.

==In the TCG==
Abilities under the name of Abilities did not appear in the {{pkmn|Trading Card Game}} until the {{TCG|Black & White}} expansion kicking off [[Generation V]]. However, this was merely a renaming of the longstanding [[Pokémon Power]]s. Pokémon Powers were very similar to Abilities, but were introduced much earlier, appearing in the very first {{TCG|Base Set}} during [[Generation I]]. In fact, some Abilities from the games originally appeared as Pokémon Powers.

With the introduction of the {{TCG|Expedition Base Set}}, Pokémon Powers were split into two groups: Poké-Powers and Poké-Bodies. Poké-Powers are special effects that the player must trigger or announce using. A Poké-Body's effect is a passive Ability that is always in effect. When Pokémon Powers became Abilities, these distinctions were done away with.

==Trivia==
* As of [[Generation V]], excluding Hidden Abilities, there are 106 Pokémon (almost exactly one-sixth of the total) who have unique Ability combinations.

==In other languages==
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|fr_ca=
|fr_eu=Capacité spéciale
|it=Abilità
|ko=특성
|es_la=
|es_eu=Habilidades
}}

==See also==
* [[Ability variations]]
* [[List of Pokémon by Ability]]
* [[List of Abilities in other languages]]

{{-}}
{{Pokémon individuality}} 
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Game mechanics]]
[[Category:Pokémon world]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Lists]]
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Talk:Milotic (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2012-05-15T23:36:24Z

HeroicJay: /* Platinum Gender Difference */

Korean name doesn't appear to be real. All Korean names are based on Japanese names not English ones. The one in this article is a transliteration of English name. So, I think it isn't real. Anyway, were is this from? - [[User:Maxim|Maxim]]

:A few years ago, while my Ruby was working okay, I encountered a Milotic at the Weather Institute's route (forgot what it was). Is it a glitch? After so many years, it's hard to remember. Oh, and it was on the grass... '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] 02:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Milotic is never found in the wild. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:::It definetely happened...the Ruby was fake! (No surprise in Singapore) '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 02:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
== Origin ==

...The Loch Ness Monster? I don't know which is less likely: This or the fact that the Wikipedia article linked to claims that ''Lapras'' is based on Nessie. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

It's less likely that Milotic's based off the Loch Ness monster. Milotic resembles more of a sea serpent than ol' Nessie (and Nessie is a dinosaur.) Someone has to reconsider about this information in Trivia. Wikipedia is linked to claims? Now THAT is insanity at its finest. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 01:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ugly Duckling? ==

It seems to me that Feebas & Milotic are based on the story of the ugly duckling, starting out as something ugly, but turning into something beautiful. I was just wondering if anyone else felt that this should be added as well.--[[User:Pmddbzaotil|Pmddbzaotil]] 22:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

:I see what you mean, but there are plenty of things Pokémon can be compared to that aren't notable. Sorry, but I feel this is one of them. Now, if {{p|Feebas}} were based off a duck, I'd feel differently! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

== Er... ==

I know it seems weird to suggest that something like it would appear in a game that's aimed at all ages, but could Milotic's name have possibly been based on the word "erotic"? If so, should there be a mention of it? - [[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]]
:No, it's not similar at all. Many words end with -tic (exotic, for instance) --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::I know, I was just wondering since Milotic is said to be the "most beautiful" Pokemon. - [[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]]
:::Beauty =/= eroticism [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 14:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I know that, too. I was only wondering if it were possible since the two concepts are related. - [[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]]
:::::We get it. Topic closed. Never raise this up again. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
==Update needed?==
On the List_of_Nintendo_event_Pokémon_in_2009 page, it lists that "This Pokémon was available in the United States
from May 9 to June 13, 2009." from a Pokémon Event for Platinum. If this is true, shouldn't that be on its page? [[User:Silvermoonstar3|Silvermoonstar3]] 00:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Max Beauty ==

Are we certain Milotic's beauty *has* to be maxed out for it to evolve? My Milotic evolved when it had high beauty, but when I take it to Slateport's fanclub guy, he refuses to give me the Blue Scarf, which he gives you when your Pokemon has a high Beauty rating! So, if my Milotic has to have max Beauty, shouldn't it be high enough to earn the Scarf? Unless I'm missing something, it seems Milotic's Beauty just has to be *high*, not maxed out, to evolve. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 00:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:[http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/946308/54062 This GameFAQs FAQ] says 170/200 to evolve and 200/200 for the scarf. Serebii.net says max for Gen III, but Gen IV just has a blue Pokéblock image. So it is possible it changed between generations. '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 01:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
::Hm, interesting. Well, if it's not needed Maxed in Gen 4, and apparently isn't in Gen 3 based on what I've seen, should we change the wording? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 01:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, probably. To say 85%. '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 01:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

==Edit Request==
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG035|Milotic|Ash's Pokédex|Milotic, the Tender Pokémon. Milotic is able to soften human anger and hatred by emitting soothing frequencies from its body.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Advanced|Hoenn}}
Please and thank you! [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== HeartGold/SoulSilver Trivia ==

I'm always weary of adding trivia, but maybe we should add that this is a pokemon whose pre-evolution form is found in the HG/SS({{p|Feebas}}, in the [[Quiet Cave]] Pokéwalker route) but is still only obtainable by trade(since there are no contests stats on HG/SS)?

I noticed it also happens with {{p|Magnezone}} and {{p|Probopass}}(both evolve in Mount Coronet only). -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 18:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:You can actually increase a Pokémon's Beauty stat (even though it's hidden) by getting them groomed by Daisy Oak, so you can get Milotic in HGSS. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Platinum Gender Difference ==

In the article under "Trivia", it says that there are no visible gender differences in Platinum when it's not shiny. But, it still has long "hair" in Platinum. Can I change that? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 02:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:No, because the difference it's talking about is "visible only in its shiny form in Platinum: female shiny Milotic have blue eyebrows while males have red ones."
:[[Image:Spr 4p 350 m s.png]][[Image:Spr 4p 350 f s.png]] '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== New Evolution ==

The beginning of the page says that Milotic evolves from Feebas when traded with a Clean Scale. However, the 5.8 Evolution section only has the Beauty evolution. Any chance we could get a picture in there with the Clean Scale included? --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 21:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

:Done. But we don't have a picture of the clean scale yet so I'm just gonna leave it at that.--[[User:Lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 22:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::Well, we don't want to get rid of the gen I-IV table entirely. Maybe we could make a subsection for each table?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Clean Scale" ==

Wouldn't it make more sense to call it the Pretty Scale? It is the "Kireina Uroko", right? Or is that a completely different item. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:I put the sprite as "Beauty Scale" seeing as it evolves when Beauty is maxed in Gen III/IV. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::That's even better :D --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:33, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

== Light screen ==

Milotic could not learn light screen as TM until gen V right? {{unsigned|Meearaimeng}}
:You are correct. You can find this out by checking its [[Milotic (Pokémon)/Generation IV learnset#By TM/HM|Generation III]] and [[Milotic (Pokémon)/Generation III learnset#By TM/HM|IV]] learnset pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

=="Also melodic is a type of minor scale in music theory."==
It says this in the {{dl|Milotic (Pokémon)|Name Origin}}. How is this relevant to anything? →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 23:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Platinum Gender Difference ==
References to this fact were removed on the grounds of it being a "badly ripped sprite". Um, what? You made it sound like whoever ripped the sprite screwed up, but it's pretty clear just from perusing other websites that you all got the sprites from the same source; other websites show the same error. Are you saying that you stole the sprites from Serebii or Veekun or something? I doubt that. It's not Bulbapedia's fault if the GameFreak artists screwed up. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:[[File:Milotic_Shiny_Female_Platinum.png]]
:I'm sorry, what did you say? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:09, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:: Okay, I do like to see evidence when someone's contradicting the most obvious information around and that suffices. So my argument is retracted. But then the question becomes: why does every Pokemon website around have that mistake? One even had that mistake on a portion of the second frame of the shiny female Milotic sprite (but not all of it, just a portion). Certainly the copying-from-other-websites thing can't be ''that'' widespread, can it...? Barring that, it must be something in the game (where, I dunno, it puts part of the male sprite over the female sprite? Or something? *shrug* It would take someone who rips sprites to answer that one.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 23:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Milotic (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2012-05-15T18:17:58Z

HeroicJay: /* Platinum Gender Difference */

Korean name doesn't appear to be real. All Korean names are based on Japanese names not English ones. The one in this article is a transliteration of English name. So, I think it isn't real. Anyway, were is this from? - [[User:Maxim|Maxim]]

:A few years ago, while my Ruby was working okay, I encountered a Milotic at the Weather Institute's route (forgot what it was). Is it a glitch? After so many years, it's hard to remember. Oh, and it was on the grass...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 02:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Milotic is never found in the wild. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:::It definetely happened...the Ruby was fake! (No surprise in Singapore) '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 02:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
== Origin ==

...The Loch Ness Monster? I don't know which is less likely: This or the fact that the Wikipedia article linked to claims that ''Lapras'' is based on Nessie. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

It's less likely that Milotic's based off the Loch Ness monster. Milotic resembles more of a sea serpent than ol' Nessie (and Nessie is a dinosaur.) Someone has to reconsider about this information in Trivia. Wikipedia is linked to claims? Now THAT is insanity at its finest. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 01:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ugly Duckling? ==

It seems to me that Feebas & Milotic are based on the story of the ugly duckling, starting out as something ugly, but turning into something beautiful. I was just wondering if anyone else felt that this should be added as well.--[[User:Pmddbzaotil|Pmddbzaotil]] 22:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

:I see what you mean, but there are plenty of things Pokémon can be compared to that aren't notable. Sorry, but I feel this is one of them. Now, if {{p|Feebas}} were based off a duck, I'd feel differently! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

== Er... ==

I know it seems weird to suggest that something like it would appear in a game that's aimed at all ages, but could Milotic's name have possibly been based on the word "erotic"? If so, should there be a mention of it? - [[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]]
:No, it's not similar at all. Many words end with -tic (exotic, for instance) --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::I know, I was just wondering since Milotic is said to be the "most beautiful" Pokemon. - [[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]]
:::Beauty =/= eroticism [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 14:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I know that, too. I was only wondering if it were possible since the two concepts are related. - [[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]]
:::::We get it. Topic closed. Never raise this up again. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
==Update needed?==
On the List_of_Nintendo_event_Pokémon_in_2009 page, it lists that "This Pokémon was available in the United States
from May 9 to June 13, 2009." from a Pokémon Event for Platinum. If this is true, shouldn't that be on its page? [[User:Silvermoonstar3|Silvermoonstar3]] 00:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Max Beauty ==

Are we certain Milotic's beauty *has* to be maxed out for it to evolve? My Milotic evolved when it had high beauty, but when I take it to Slateport's fanclub guy, he refuses to give me the Blue Scarf, which he gives you when your Pokemon has a high Beauty rating! So, if my Milotic has to have max Beauty, shouldn't it be high enough to earn the Scarf? Unless I'm missing something, it seems Milotic's Beauty just has to be *high*, not maxed out, to evolve. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 00:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:[http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/946308/54062 This GameFAQs FAQ] says 170/200 to evolve and 200/200 for the scarf. Serebii.net says max for Gen III, but Gen IV just has a blue Pokéblock image. So it is possible it changed between generations. '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 01:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
::Hm, interesting. Well, if it's not needed Maxed in Gen 4, and apparently isn't in Gen 3 based on what I've seen, should we change the wording? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 01:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, probably. To say 85%. '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 01:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

==Edit Request==
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG035|Milotic|Ash's Pokédex|Milotic, the Tender Pokémon. Milotic is able to soften human anger and hatred by emitting soothing frequencies from its body.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Advanced|Hoenn}}
Please and thank you! [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== HeartGold/SoulSilver Trivia ==

I'm always weary of adding trivia, but maybe we should add that this is a pokemon whose pre-evolution form is found in the HG/SS({{p|Feebas}}, in the [[Quiet Cave]] Pokéwalker route) but is still only obtainable by trade(since there are no contests stats on HG/SS)?

I noticed it also happens with {{p|Magnezone}} and {{p|Probopass}}(both evolve in Mount Coronet only). -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 18:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:You can actually increase a Pokémon's Beauty stat (even though it's hidden) by getting them groomed by Daisy Oak, so you can get Milotic in HGSS. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Platinum Gender Difference ==

In the article under "Trivia", it says that there are no visible gender differences in Platinum when it's not shiny. But, it still has long "hair" in Platinum. Can I change that? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 02:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:No, because the difference it's talking about is "visible only in its shiny form in Platinum: female shiny Milotic have blue eyebrows while males have red ones."
:[[Image:Spr 4p 350 m s.png]][[Image:Spr 4p 350 f s.png]] '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:: References to this fact were removed on the grounds of it being a "badly ripped sprite". Um, what? You made it sound like whoever ripped the sprite screwed up, but it's pretty clear just from perusing other websites that you all got the sprites from the same source; other websites show the same error. Are you saying that you stole the sprites from Serebii or Veekun or something? I doubt that. It's not Bulbapedia's fault if the GameFreak artists screwed up. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== New Evolution ==

The beginning of the page says that Milotic evolves from Feebas when traded with a Clean Scale. However, the 5.8 Evolution section only has the Beauty evolution. Any chance we could get a picture in there with the Clean Scale included? --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 21:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

:Done. But we don't have a picture of the clean scale yet so I'm just gonna leave it at that.--[[User:Lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 22:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::Well, we don't want to get rid of the gen I-IV table entirely. Maybe we could make a subsection for each table?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Clean Scale" ==

Wouldn't it make more sense to call it the Pretty Scale? It is the "Kireina Uroko", right? Or is that a completely different item. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:I put the sprite as "Beauty Scale" seeing as it evolves when Beauty is maxed in Gen III/IV. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::That's even better :D --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:33, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

== Light screen ==

Milotic could not learn light screen as TM until gen V right? {{unsigned|Meearaimeng}}
:You are correct. You can find this out by checking its [[Milotic (Pokémon)/Generation IV learnset#By TM/HM|Generation III]] and [[Milotic (Pokémon)/Generation III learnset#By TM/HM|IV]] learnset pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

=="Also melodic is a type of minor scale in music theory."==
It says this in the {{dl|Milotic (Pokémon)|Name Origin}}. How is this relevant to anything? →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 23:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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== "Raijin" ==

Still not thinking it's the best name for them. As continued from here: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon#.22Raijin.22_Trio [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::As do I. Should it be moved? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::: Kami trio makes more sense... Well, Landlos doesn't make any sense except as a trio master that should had been external and its place taken by a Water/Flying Suijin, but oh well... [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 21:11, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Kami makes a lot more sense than Raijin since, as stated, only one is a thunder god.[[User:Megaplex|Megaplex]] 00:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::So seeing as everyone who commented here seems to agree, can it be moved? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:31, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

=="Trio or Duo"==

is they to be considered a trio because as what i think they were just duo and landlos was the duo master much like how regigigas was not part of the regi quadruped. [[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 11:34, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
:Rayquaza is the leader of the [[Weather trio]]. Sometimes trios have their masters within the group. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia: Djinn ==

They're Djinn inspired also, as evidenced by the clouds, and crossed arms. FYI Djinn is the proper term for "Genie".[[User:Tesseract|Tesseract]] 08:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== PokeDex ==

The Unova PokéDex, last I checked, is completed by marking all Pokemon as Seen like the Sinnoh Dex is. How you first encounter Tornadus/Thundurus depending on the version, how do you get the other Kami and Landorus marked as Seen? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 14:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

It's noted by Dialga, Palkia and Giratina, that the three legendary dragons share their primary types with the 4th (Crasher Wake/Water), 5th (Fantina/Ghost) and 6th (Byron/Steel) gym leader of their region. The funny thing is, that the three legendary Pokémon, Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus, share the primary type with the 4th (Elesa/Electric), 5th (Clay/Ground) and 6th (Skyla/Flying) gym leaderof their region as well, if it's noted by the cration trio, we should add it here too.
(I am talking about '''primary''' types, I do know that Tornadus is pure-flying, since it can't be a flying/flying type.) ([[User:Celebi 21|Celebi 21]] 16:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC))

== Kami Trio and Whether Trio. ==

Shouldn't we be adding that the Kami Trio has a lot in common with the Whether Trio? Such as, Tornadus and Thundurus being able to create whether changes overworld, and Landurus being their master that can stop the massive destruction they are able to create much like Rayquaza can stop Groudon and Kyogre? {{unsigned|MrAkmalDanish}}

== Suggestion ==

Once the new forms are officially revealed, the term "Kami" would no longer apply to this trio. I know this is fanterm, but however they turn out to be called, clouds are the main feature shared by all six forms. So I suggest this page to be named "Cloud trio". Thank you. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 14:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

:Well, Tornadus' new forme seems to have only a small cloud on its tail, Landorus has small anklets of clouds, and Thundurus seems to feature clouds most, so I doubt they could go by "Cloud Trio". It just seems to me that they're still the Kami Trio, as they still have their main appearance (somewhat). I guess they'll just keep it at Kami Trio unless it's official revealed that they have different types or something. [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 04:55, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

::Many kami in Shinto mythology are able to shape-shift their appearances into a wide variety of forms. While Rajin and Fujin are not known for shape-shifting, Inari definitely is, but that doesn't mean that Raijin and Fujin would be out of the question as they're still kami all the same. I personally think that "kami trio" can still work even with the introduction of the new forms, especially considering the shape-shifting tendencies of many kami. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 05:35, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

== 'us' end ==

All the names of the pokemon end in 'us'. That comes from Latin. All '''male''' objects or persons do also end in 'us'. Also, that they are based on gods, there are also (other) gods in Latin.{{unsigned|Stomata}}

== Formes ==

i HAVE SEEN according to translations Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus original forms are Incarnation Forme. Their new forms are Sacred Beast Formes. {{Unsigned|Poke1}}
:We. Know. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:12, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
::Other sites may use the fan translations, but we'd prefer to use the Japanese names until English names are released. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Just gonna throw out that [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/ar_searcher/characters/ the official website posted official art of their alternate formes] and let you guys decide what to do about that. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)