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Cynthia

2023-11-20T16:15:06Z

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'''Cynthia''' (Japanese: '''シロナ''' ''Shirona'') is an archeologist who is also the {{pkmn|Champion}} of the [[Sinnoh]] region's [[Sinnoh League|Pokémon League]] in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s|Pokémon Diamond, Pearl}}, {{v2|Platinum}}, {{pkmn|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond, and Shining Pearl}}.

==In the core series games==
===Character profile===
Cynthia is the {{pkmn|Champion}} of the [[Sinnoh]] [[region]], who makes her first appearance in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. She also the first female Champion introduced in the [[core series]] (excluding player characters). Cynthia is an archeologist who investigates myths involving Pokémon and is described as mysterious, referring to herself as "the researcher of myths." With her interest in mythology and history, she spends her time researching and exploring various sites associated with [[Legendary Pokémon]] of the Sinnoh region. Because of this Cynthia has a wide knowledge of Pokémon and their relationships with people, creating some theories of her own. She can get carried away with these topics, often talking for long periods of time or theorizing in places where she shouldn't be.<ref>Cynthia ({{game|Platinum}}, in the [[Distortion World]]): ''"...Oops. This is no time for idle chitchat."'',</ref> Cynthia realizes this behavior, catching herself and apologizing whenever it happens.<ref>Cynthia ({{game|Platinum}}, at Celestic Ruins):''"I'm sorry this is so long. May I say one last bit?"''</ref> Similarly, she speaks politely, frequently asking the player if they are doing well and uses phrases such as "pardon".

Cynthia tends to enjoy relaxation and travel, visiting the villas owned by [[Caitlin]] and the player found in [[Unova]] and in Sinnoh's [[Battle Zone]] respectively. In Platinum, she expresses that part of the reason for this is that she is typically a messy person, and has research papers thrown around the house. Cynthia also enjoys the piano, claiming that she enjoys the sound, listening to it with both her body and spirit.

Cynthia has a large love and passion for Pokémon and is implied to have helped [[Professor Rowan]] with his [[Pokédex]], embarking on an adventure as a child, similar to that of the player. Cynthia can be seen as a generous person, providing the player with multiple items and information throughout their journey, including [[Pokémon Egg]]s. While generous, she is also very appreciative of the player's efforts. At the Pokémon league, she acknowledges the player's strength as a Trainer and their bond with Pokémon. She enjoys fun and challenging battles and isn't easy to give up.

Cynthia's known relatives include her grandmother, her grandfather, and a younger sister, all of which go unnamed. Her family lives in Celestic Town, although her own hometown was not mentioned, even going as far to say that her home region is a secret. Cynthia bears a striking resemblance to [[Volo]] and [[Cogita]], implying some form of ancestry, however the direct correlation between the three, is unknown.

===Appearance===
[[File:Diamond and Pearl Cynthia production art.png|thumb|150px|right|Cynthia's conceptual artwork for {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} in the [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond ART Book and Pokémon Shining Pearl ART Book|art book]]s for {{g|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}]]
Cynthia is an adult woman with long curly platinum blonde hair that reaches behind her knees. Bangs fall over her left eye and two large side curls fall in front of her shoulders, curling inward, covering her ears and the back of the neck. She has thin eyebrows. Cynthia's eyes are thin, but round, and point outward ending with thick eyelashes. She has gray irises. While their relation is unknown, she carries similar design attributes with that of [[Volo]] and [[Cogita]], possesing similar facial structures and colors.

Her clothing and design has remained mainly the same between all of her core series appearances. Her hair has two decorations on both sides of her head, resembling two black teardrops with a gold stripe on each tear. One of Cynthia's most iconic attributes is her long and heavy black coat that drapes over half way down her legs, ending in dark black fur trimming. The coat forms a V-neck with the openings connecting to another with another teardrop-like ornament that is silver in color, potentially acting like a zipper, that ends on the front of her chest. Two more silvery buttons appear next to this ornament. The coat's long sleeves end at her wrists also ending in dark black fur trimming. Cynthia also owns a scarf of the same black fluffy material as the fur trimming on her coat, covering a majority of her neck. Underneath, Cynthia owns a plain, dark-gray v-neck dress shirt with long sleeves ending at around her waist. Cynthia's long light gray dress pants also lack much detail other than seams. The pants however, do cover her ankles, leaving no form of skin in sight. The toe tips of Cynthia's black pointed high-heel shoes have a thin gold stripe that end at the soles. A majority of her shoes are covered by her pant legs.

Cynthia owns a Pokédex and, in Generation VII, she has a [[Key Stone]], where these items are held are unknown.

===Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl===
[[File:Diamond Pearl Cynthia.png|thumb|left|150px|Cynthia's artwork for {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, illustrated by [[Ken Sugimori]]]]
'''Website blurb'''{{sup/8|BDSP}}: ''A mysterious person who shows up at many points along your journey. She’s investigating myths about Pokémon.''

Cynthia makes her first appearance in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, where she meets up with the {{player}} at various points during their journey.

She will first meet the player in [[Eterna City]], where she takes an interest in them for owning a [[Pokédex]] given to them by [[Professor Rowan]]. She explains to the player about her interest in mythology and about [[Sinnoh]]'s [[Pokémon of Myth]], she then offers {{HM|01|Cut}} to the player. After the player defeats [[Crasher Wake]] and [[Maylene]], and follows a [[Team Galactic Grunt]] found in [[Pastoria City]] to [[Lake Valor]], the player runs into Cynthia again at [[Valor Lakefront]], where she is researching the {{p|Azelf|Pokémon of the lake}}, however, the lake is currently closed to the public. She asks the player if they have seen the wild {{p|Psyduck}} that appear at {{rt|210|Sinnoh}}, giving them the [[Secret Medicine|SecretPotion]] that would help cure the Pokémon's headache. Once the player makes their way to Route 210, Cynthia appears again once the Psyduck have left. This time, she has a big favor to ask the player, and gives them the [[Old Charm]] to deliver to [[Professor Carolina|her grandmother]] at [[Celestic Town]]. In [[Hearthome City]], Cynthia speaks to the player at the gym after they have defeated [[Fantina]], making mention of [[Team Galactic]] and their dangerous acts. She later appears at the {{si|Pokémon League}} as the {{pkmn|Champion}}, serving as the player's final obstacle.

In {{g|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}, she can also be battled against at the {{si|Battle Tower}}.

===Pokémon Platinum===
In {{game|Platinum}}, Cynthia has the same role as she did in Diamond and Pearl, but has an extended role in this game, allowing for more character interactions and events.

Like in Diamond and Pearl, the player first meets Cynthia at [[Eterna City]], where she takes notice of the [[Pokédex]] that [[Professor Rowan]] has given them. She explains to them that she is a researcher of myth, and that [[Sinnoh]] has many Pokémon to discover to record in the Pokédex. After her explanation of the statue based on the [[Pokémon of Myth]], she provides the player with {{HM|01|Cut}}, and before leaving, asks the player to give her regards to Professor Rowan. After [[Jupiter]]'s defeat in the [[Team Galactic Eterna Building]], Cynthia meets the player at [[Rad Rickshaw's Cycle Shop|the cycle shop]] and happily gives the player a {{p|Togepi}} {{pkmn|Egg}}, saying it will help them with their Pokédex.

After the player defeats [[Crasher Wake]] in [[Pastoria City]] and follows a [[Team Galactic Grunt]] towards [[Lake Valor]], the player runs into Cynthia again at [[Valor Lakefront]], where she is researching the {{p|Azelf|Pokémon of the lake}}, however, the lake is currently closed to the public. She asks the player if they have seen the wild {{p|Psyduck}} that appear at {{rt|210|Sinnoh}} and gives them the [[Secret Medicine|SecretPotion]] that would help cure the Pokémon's headache. The player makes their way to Route 210, with Cynthia appearing again once the Psyduck have left. This time, she has a big favor to ask the player, and gives them the [[Old Charm]] to deliver to [[Professor Carolina|her grandmother]] in [[Celestic Town]]. At Celestic Town, she takes notice of the bomb held by [[Team Galactic]], having second thoughts about how harmless they actually were and how their usage of Pokémon is unacceptable. She directs the player towards [[Canalave City]] and it's library, if they want to continue work on their Pokédex.

At the summit of [[Mount Coronet]], Cynthia arrives at the [[Spear Pillar]] once [[Cyrus]] has been dragged into the [[Distortion World]] by a shadowy figure. Providing context of Sinnoh's origins, she explains that there is a third member of the [[Pokémon of Myth]] alongside {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}, a Pokémon named {{p|Giratina}}. Because of Giratina's presence, space-time is distorting from the portal leading to the Distortion World. Cynthia and the player lead into the Distortion World where she guides the player through the world in order to confront Giratina. Throughout the Distortion World, Cynthia explains the properties of the location, the lack of Pokémon, the abnormality of space and time, and the balance the [[Lake guardians]] have with the Pokémon of Myth. After the defeat of Cyrus and Giratina, Cynthia and the player fall back into the [[Sendoff Spring]], where she offers her thanks on the situation, and tells the player to meet Professor Rowan who was worried. She splits paths with the players once again, and, like in Diamond and Pearl, she is fought as the {{pkmn|Champion}} of the {{si|Pokémon League}}.

During the post-game, she will appear at the Celestic ruins, explaining the context. Cynthia theorizes about the three lights, painted on the cave wall, such as what Pokémon they could be or if it represents something greater. She connects it to the writing that is engraved on the [[Plate]]s found throughout Sinnoh, and how there may be a another Pokémon mentioned, called {{ga|Arceus|the Original One}}. Her theory implies that this Pokémon is stronger than Dialga or Palkia, but is unsure about where Giratina may fit into the bigger picture. She thanks the player for listening and takes off.

The player meets Cynthia again at [[Snowpoint City]] after they have found every Pokémon in Sinnoh. Here, she provides the player with words of encouragement before they boat to the [[Fight Area]], and how she is proud of them. She can later appear in the player's villa in the [[Resort Area]], and takes mention of her love for the piano.

===Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver===
[[File:HGSS Prerelease Cynthia Arceus.jpg|thumb|250px|Cynthia with {{p|Arceus}} in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}]]
In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Cynthia makes an appearance in the [[Sinjoh Ruins]], doing further investigation on the origins of {{p|Arceus}} and the [[Pokémon of Myth]]. If the player has an Arceus with a [[fateful encounter]] marker or from the [[Hall of Origin]] when they visit the [[Ruins of Alph]], the player will be teleported to the Sinjoh Ruins. Inside a cabin at the ruins, the player will find Cynthia, who will tell the player that Arceus will let them obtain a [[level]] 1 {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, or {{p|Giratina}}. If the player returns to the Sinjoh Ruins with another Arceus (that doesn't have the same origin as the one they used the first time), they will be informed that Cynthia has returned to Sinnoh, and the event will run without her.

===Generation V===
During [[Generation V]], Cynthia appears in a villa belonging to [[Caitlin]] in [[Undella Town]], where she can be battled. She leaves after being defeated for the first time and afterwards reappears during the spring and summer {{OBP|season|mechanic}}s. During spring, she can be rebattled once a day. After defeating her, [[Shauntal]] and [[Caitlin]] can be seen visiting this house in the spring, and, in {{game|Black and White|s}} only, [[Lenora]], [[Elesa]], [[Iris]], and [[Skyla]] visit in the summer.

In {{game|Black and White|s}}, she speaks about a young Trainer who had defeated her, and mentions that the same Trainer also defeated {{p|Giratina}}, referring to the player character during the events of Platinum.

In {{B2W2}}, Cynthia can also be battled in the [[Champions Tournament]] at the [[Pokémon World Tournament]]. She is the only woman who participates in this tournament, with [[Iris]] being excluded.

===Generation VII===
In {{game4|SMUSUM}}, Cynthia appears in [[Alola]]'s [[Battle Tree]] as an opponent that the player can battle and subsequently recruit.

===Pokémon===
Cynthia has appeared in at least one game in each [[generation]] between [[Generation IV|Generations IV]] and {{gen|VII}}, and has used a variety of Pokémon both in [[type]] and selection, between them all. In {{game|Platinum}} and in rematches in {{g|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}, none of her Pokémon share any types with one another and has the most diverse Pokémon usage in comparison to other Champions in her team of six, owning 11 of the 12 possible types.

In {{game4|SMUSUM}}, all of Cynthia's Pokémon are kept in [[Ultra Ball]]s when battled against.

Her {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}} has seen usage in every game where she has battled the player, and has appeared in numerous pieces of media and merchandise on her own. Tied with {{ga|Red's Pikachu}} in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Cynthia's Garchomp rests at level 88 in Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl as the highest level Pokémon owned by an [[Non-player character|NPC]] outside of battle facilities.

===={{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}====
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===={{game|Platinum}}====
=====Before [[Stark Mountain]]=====
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=====After Stark Mountain=====
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=====Given away=====
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===={{game|Black and White|s}}====
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|move3=Dragon Claw|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flamethrower|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=350
|pokemon=Milotic
|ability=Marvel Scale
|level=75
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|type1=Water
|move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Blizzard|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Bulldoze|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Dragon Tail|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|color={{cynthia color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=628
|pokemon=Braviary
|ability=Sheer Force
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|move1=Brave Bird|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crush Claw|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Shadow Claw|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Retaliate|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=448
|pokemon=Lucario
|ability=Steadfast
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Fighting|type2=Steel
|move1=ExtremeSpeed|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Dragon Pulse|move2type=Dragon|move2cat=Special
|move3=Close Combat|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Aura Sphere|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=445
|pokemon=Garchomp
|ability=Sand Veil
|level=77
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|type1=Dragon|type2=Ground
|move1=Dragon Rush|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Stone Edge|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===={{B2W2}}====
=====[[Undella Town]]=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{Cynthia color}}
|bordercolor={{Cynthia color dark}}
|headcolor={{Cynthia color light}}
|sprite=Spr B2W2 Cynthia.png
|prize={{PDollar}}{{tt|15600|14800 in Easy Mode, 16400 in Challenge Mode}}
|class={{PK}}{{MN}} Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cynthia
|game=B2W2
|location=Undella Town
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=442
|pokemon=Spiritomb
|ability=Pressure
|level={{tt|76|72 in Easy Mode, 80 in Challenge Mode}}
|gender=female
|type1=Ghost|type2=Dark
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Double Team|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Dream Eater|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hypnosis|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=350
|pokemon=Milotic
|ability=Marvel Scale
|level={{tt|76|72 in Easy Mode, 80 in Challenge Mode}}
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|type1=Water
|move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Blizzard|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Attract|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=468
|pokemon=Togekiss
|ability=Serene Grace
|level={{tt|76|72 in Easy Mode, 80 in Challenge Mode}}
|gender=male
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|move1=Air Slash|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Aura Sphere|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Special
|move3=ExtremeSpeed|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Thunder Wave|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{cynthia color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=448
|pokemon=Lucario
|ability=Inner Focus
|level={{tt|76|72 in Easy Mode, 80 in Challenge Mode}}
|gender=male
|type1=Fighting|type2=Steel
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flash Cannon|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Special
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=ExtremeSpeed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=471
|pokemon=Glaceon
|ability=Snow Cloak
|level={{tt|76|72 in Easy Mode, 80 in Challenge Mode}}
|gender=female
|type1=Ice
|move1=Ice Beam|move1type=Ice|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Ball|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Signal Beam|move3type=Bug|move3cat=Special
|move4=Barrier|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black and White
|ndex=445
|pokemon=Garchomp
|ability=Sand Veil
|level={{tt|78|74 in Easy Mode, 82 in Challenge Mode}}
|gender=female
|spritegender=female
|type1=Dragon|type2=Ground
|move1=Dragon Rush|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Fire Blast|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Special}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Pokémon World Tournament]]=====
Cynthia uses three of these Pokémon in [[Pokémon battle|Single Battles]], four in [[Double Battle|Double]] and [[Rotation Battle]]s, and all six in [[Triple Battle]]s. She will always lead with her signature Pokémon, {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}}.

{{Party/Single|color={{Cynthia color}}
|bordercolor={{Cynthia color dark}}
|headcolor={{Cynthia color light}}
|sprite=Spr B2W2 Cynthia.png
|prize=1{{color2|000|Battle Point|BP}}
|class={{PK}}{{MN}} Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cynthia
|game=B2W2
|location=Pokémon World Tournament
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=445 f
|pokemon=Garchomp
|ability=Sand Veil
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Focus Sash
|type1=Dragon|type2=Ground
|move1=Outrage|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Swords Dance|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=442
|pokemon=Spiritomb
|ability=Pressure
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Rocky Helmet
|type1=Ghost|type2=Dark
|move1=Sucker Punch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Protect|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Will-O-Wisp|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pain Split|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=407 f
|pokemon=Roserade
|ability=Natural Cure|ability2=Poison Point
|level=50
|gender=both
|type1=Grass|type2=Poison
|held=White Herb
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Sleep Powder|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{cynthia color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=468
|pokemon=Togekiss
|ability=Hustle|ability2=Serene Grace
|level=50
|gender=both
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Air Slash|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Aura Sphere|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Special
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Grass Knot|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=448
|pokemon=Lucario
|ability=Steadfast|ability2=Inner Focus
|level=50
|gender=both
|type1=Fighting|type2=Steel
|held=Life Orb
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Dark Pulse|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Special
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=ExtremeSpeed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=471
|pokemon=Glaceon
|ability=Snow Cloak
|level=50
|gender=both
|type1=Ice
|held=Choice Scarf
|move1=Ice Beam|move1type=Ice|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Ball|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Signal Beam|move3type=Bug|move3cat=Special
|move4=Water Pulse|move4type=Water|move4cat=Special}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===={{game4|SMUSUM}}====
=====[[Battle Tree]]=====
Cynthia uses three of these Pokémon in [[Pokémon battle|Single Battles]], four in [[Double Battle]]s, and two in [[Multi Battle]]s.

{{Party/Single
|color={{cynthia color}}
|headcolor={{cynthia color light}}
|bordercolor={{cynthia color dark}}
|sprite=VSCynthia SM.png
|size=150px
|prize=2-7{{color2|000|Battle Point|BP}}
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Cynthia
|game=SMUSUM
|location=Battle Tree
|pokemon=4}}
|{{lop/facility/head|{{cynthia color light}}|{{cynthia color}}|{{cynthia color}}}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|442|Spiritomb|Leftovers|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Shadow Sneak|Ghost|Swagger|Normal|Psych Up|Normal|Careful|252||||252|}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|448|Lucario|Lucarionite|Close Combat|Fighting|Rock Slide|Rock|Blaze Kick|Fire|Bullet Punch|Steel|Jolly||252||||252}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|350|Milotic|Wide Lens|Hydro Pump|Water|Blizzard|Ice|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Recover|Normal|Calm||||252|252|}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|468|Togekiss|King's Rock|Grass Knot|Grass|Thunder Wave|Electric|Air Slash|Flying|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Timid||||252||252}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|445|Garchomp|Choice Scarf|Outrage|Dragon|Earthquake|Ground|Fire Fang|Fire|Crunch|Dark|Jolly||252||||252}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|442|Spiritomb|Custap Berry|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Sucker Punch|Dark|Substitute|Normal|Pain Split|Normal|Careful|252||||252|}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|448|Lucario|Weakness Policy|Aura Sphere|Fighting|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Stone Edge|Rock|Extreme Speed|Normal|Serious||170||170||170}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|350|Milotic|Leftovers|Ice Beam|Ice|Rest|Psychic|Sleep Talk|Normal|Surf|Water|Impish|252||||252|}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|468|Togekiss|Expert Belt|Aura Sphere|Fighting|Air Slash|Flying|Grass Knot|Grass|Dazzling Gleam|Fairy|Modest||||252||252}}
{{lop/facility|game=6|445|Garchomp|Garchompite|Sandstorm|Rock|Stone Edge|Rock|Earthquake|Ground|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Adamant|252|252||||}}
|}
{{Party/Footer}}

===={{g|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}====
All of Cynthia's Pokémon have the maximum of 510 EVs, with all of her Pokémon havng at least one stat with 252 EVs in it.

All of Cynthia's Pokémon except her Spiritomb (which has perfect IVs, with 31 in all six stats) have 31 IVs in five out of their six stats, with the remaining stat having 0 IVs.
=====Champion battle=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{cynthia color}}
|headcolor={{cynthia color light}}
|bordercolor={{cynthia color dark}}
|sprite=VSCynthia BDSP.png|size=90px
|prize={{Pdollar}}13,464
|class=Champion
|classlink=Pokémon Champion
|name=Cynthia
|game=BDSP
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=442
|pokemon=Spiritomb
|gender=female
|level=61
|type1=Ghost|type2=Dark
|ability=Pressure
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dark Pulse|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Special
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|gender=female
|level=60
|type1=Grass|type2=Poison
|ability=Poison Point
|held=Expert Belt
|move1=Dazzling Gleam|move1type=Fairy|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Ball|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Sludge Bomb|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Special
|move4=Energy Ball|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=423
|pokemon=Gastrodon
|form=-West
|gender=female
|level=60
|type1=Water|type2=Ground
|ability=Storm Drain
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Scald|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Sludge Bomb|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Special
|move4=Rock Tomb|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|color={{cynthia color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=448
|pokemon=Lucario
|gender=male
|level=63
|type1=Fighting|type2=Steel
|ability=Inner Focus
|held=Wise Glasses
|move1=Aura Sphere|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dragon Pulse|move2type=Dragon|move2cat=Special
|move3=Flash Cannon|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Special
|move4=Nasty Plot|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=350
|pokemon=Milotic
|gender=female
|level=63
|type1=Water
|ability=Marvel Scale
|held=Flame Orb
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mirror Coat|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Special
|move3=Ice Beam|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Scald|move4type=Water|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=445
|pokemon=Garchomp
|gender=female
|level=66
|type1=Dragon|type2=Ground
|ability=Rough Skin
|held=Yache Berry
|move1=Dragon Claw|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Swords Dance|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Rematch]] (before [[Stark Mountain]])=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{cynthia color}}
|headcolor={{cynthia color light}}
|bordercolor={{cynthia color dark}}
|sprite=VSCynthia BDSP.png|size=90px
|prize={{Pdollar}}15,600
|class=Champion
|classlink=Pokémon Champion
|name=Cynthia
|game=BDSP
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=442
|pokemon=Spiritomb
|gender=female
|level=74
|type1=Ghost|type2=Dark
|ability=Pressure
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dark Pulse|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Special
|move3=Will-O-Wisp|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|gender=female
|level=74
|type1=Grass|type2=Poison
|ability=Poison Point
|held=Expert Belt
|move1=Dazzling Gleam|move1type=Fairy|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Ball|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Sludge Bomb|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Special
|move4=Energy Ball|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=468
|pokemon=Togekiss
|gender=male
|level=76
|type1=Fairy|type2=Flying
|ability=Serene Grace
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Air Slash|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dazzling Gleam|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Aura Sphere|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Special
|move4=Thunder Wave|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{cynthia color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=448
|pokemon=Lucario
|gender=male
|level=76
|type1=Fighting|type2=Steel
|ability=Inner Focus
|held=Wise Glasses
|move1=Aura Sphere|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dragon Pulse|move2type=Dragon|move2cat=Special
|move3=Flash Cannon|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Special
|move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=350
|pokemon=Milotic
|gender=female
|level=74
|type1=Water
|ability=Marvel Scale
|held=Flame Orb
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mirror Coat|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Special
|move3=Ice Beam|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Scald|move4type=Water|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=445
|pokemon=Garchomp
|gender=female
|level=78
|type1=Dragon|type2=Ground
|ability=Rough Skin
|held=Yache Berry
|move1=Dragon Claw|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Swords Dance|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====Rematch (after Stark Mountain)=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{cynthia color}}
|headcolor={{cynthia color light}}
|bordercolor={{cynthia color dark}}
|sprite=VSCynthia BDSP.png|size=90px
|prize={{Pdollar}}17,600
|class=Champion
|classlink=Pokémon Champion
|name=Cynthia
|game=BDSP
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=442
|pokemon=Spiritomb
|gender=female
|level=84
|type1=Ghost|type2=Dark
|ability=Pressure
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dark Pulse|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Special
|move3=Will-O-Wisp|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=474
|pokemon=Porygon-Z
|level=85
|type1=Normal
|ability=Adaptability
|held=Expert Belt
|move1=Hyper Beam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Ball|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Ice Beam|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Thunderbolt|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=468
|pokemon=Togekiss
|gender=male
|level=86
|type1=Fairy|type2=Flying
|ability=Serene Grace
|held=Leftovers
|move1=Air Slash|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dazzling Gleam|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Aura Sphere|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Special
|move4=Thunder Wave|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{cynthia color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=448
|pokemon=Lucario
|gender=male
|level=86
|type1=Fighting|type2=Steel
|ability=Inner Focus
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Meteor Mash|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Extreme Speed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=350
|pokemon=Milotic
|gender=female
|level=84
|type1=Water
|ability=Marvel Scale
|held=Flame Orb
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mirror Coat|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Special
|move3=Ice Beam|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Scald|move4type=Water|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/8
|ndex=445
|pokemon=Garchomp
|gender=female
|level=88
|type1=Dragon|type2=Ground
|ability=Rough Skin
|held=Yache Berry
|move1=Dragon Claw|move1type=Dragon|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Swords Dance|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====Battle Tower=====
======Master Class Single Battles (Rank 9)======
{{Party/Single|
|color={{cynthia color}}
|bordercolor={{cynthia color dark}}
|headcolor={{cynthia color light}}
|sprite=VSCynthia 2 BDSP.png|size=90px
|class=Champion
|classlink=Pokémon Champion
|name=Cynthia
|game=BDSP
|prize=20 {{color2|000000|Battle Point|BP}}
|location=Battle Tower (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Battle Tower
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Lop/facility8/head|{{cynthia color light}}|{{cynthia color}}|{{cynthia color}}}}
|-
! colspan='18' style='background:#{{grey color light}}' | Team A
{{Lop/facility8|game=BDSP|448|Lucario|Inner Focus|Lum Berry|Close Combat|Fighting|Meteor Mash|Steel|Ice Punch|Ice|Bullet Punch|Steel|146|162|90|108|90|156}}
{{Lop/facility8|game=BDSP|468|Togekiss|Serene Grace|Choice Scarf|Air Slash|Flying|Dazzling Gleam|Fairy|Fire Blast|Fire|Grass Knot|Grass|161|49|115|189|135|132}}
{{Lop/facility8|game=BDSP|445|Garchomp|Rough Skin|Focus Sash|Earthquake|Ground|Outrage|Dragon|Stone Edge|Rock|Swords Dance|Normal|184|182|115|76|105|169}}
|-
! colspan='18' style='background:#{{grey color light}}' | Team B
{{Lop/facility8|game=BDSP|468|Togekiss|Serene Grace|Leftovers|Thunder Wave|Electric|Air Slash|Flying|Roost|Flying|Mystical Fire|Fire|192|49|161|140|135|101}}
{{Lop/facility8|game=BDSP|350|Milotic|Marvel Scale|Flame Orb|Scald|Water|Icy Wind|Ice|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Recover|Normal|202|58|144|120|146|101}}
{{Lop/facility8|game=BDSP|445|Garchomp|Rough Skin|Choice Band|Outrage|Dragon|Earthquake|Ground|Stone Edge|Rock|Poison Jab|Poison|184|182|115|76|105|169}}
|-
! colspan='18' style='background:#{{grey color light}}' | Team C
{{Lop/facility8|game=BDSP|423|Gastrodon|Storm Drain|Leftovers|Scald|Water|Earth Power|Ground|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Recover|Normal|218|79|89|112|147|59}}
{{Lop/facility8|game=BDSP|448|Lucario|Inner Focus|Focus Sash|Focus Blast|Fighting|Flash Cannon|Steel|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Dark Pulse|Dark|146|103|90|167|90|156}}
{{Lop/facility8|game=BDSP|445|Garchomp|Rough Skin|Choice Scarf|Outrage|Dragon|Earthquake|Ground|Stone Edge|Rock|Poison Jab|Poison|184|200|115|76|105|154}}
|}
{{Party/Footer}}

==In the spin-off games==
[[File:Masters Cynthia Garchomp.png|thumb|200px|Cynthia and Garchomp's artwork for {{g|Masters EX}}]]
===[[Pokémon Masters EX]]===
{{main|Cynthia (Masters)}}
Cynthia forms a [[sync pair]] with {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}}, {{p|Kommo-o}}, {{fd|Giratina|Altered Forme}} {{p|Giratina}}, {{fd|Gastrodon|West Sea}} {{p|Gastrodon}}, and {{p|Lucario}} in {{g|Masters EX}}. Both her Garchomp and Lucario are capable of [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolving]]. Cynthia became a playable sync pair on January 1, 2020.

Cynthia first appeared as an NPC during the first chapter of [[PML Arc]]. She also made notable appearances later in the PML Arc, [[Legendary event|Legendary Adventures]], and the [[Villain Arc]].

{{PairDex/h|Ground}}
{{PairDex|078|Cynthia|trainerlink=Cynthia (Masters)#Garchomp|trainerimg=Cynthia|445M|Garchomp|pokemonlink=Cynthia's Garchomp|mega=Garchompite|form=[[Mega Evolution|Mega Garchomp]]|gender=female|Ground|Ice|Physical Strike|6|Poké Fair Sync Pair Scout}}
{{PairDex|078|Cynthia|trainerlink=Cynthia (Masters)#Kommo-o|trainerimg=Cynthia Sygna|sygna=[[Sygna Suit]]|784|Kommo-o|gender=male|Dragon|Fairy|Special Strike|6|Poké Fair Sync Pair Scout}}
{{PairDex|078|Cynthia|trainerlink=Cynthia (Masters)#Giratina (Altered Forme)|trainerimg=Cynthia Sygna Renegade|sygna=[[Sygna Suit]] (Renegade)|487A|Giratina|form={{Form|Giratina|Altered Forme}}|master=yes|Ghost|Fairy|Tech|6|Master Fair Sync Pair Scout}}
{{PairDex|078|Cynthia|trainerlink=Cynthia (Masters)#Gastrodon (West Sea)|trainerimg=Cynthia|423W|Gastrodon|form={{Form|Gastrodon|West Sea}}|gender=female|Ground|Grass|Support|4EX|Trainer Lodge Friendship Level 100}}
{{PairDex|078|Cynthia|trainerlink=Cynthia (Masters)#Lucario|trainerimg=Cynthia Sygna Aura|sygna=[[Sygna Suit]] (Aura)|448M|Lucario|gender=male|mega=Lucarionite|form=[[Mega Evolution|Mega Lucario]]|master=yes|buddy=yes|Fighting|Fire|Support|6|Master Fair Sync Pair Scout}}
|}

===[[Pokémon UNITE]]===
Cynthia and her {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}} appear in {{g|UNITE}} as an enemy Trainer to fight during the Legacy Trainer Showdown event between September 9, 2022 and October 6, 2022. Her Garchomp starts the battle as {{p|Gible}} and can evolve to {{p|Gabite}} and then {{p|Garchomp}} during the battle. The event later returned between April 21, 2023 and May 21, 2023.

==Quotes==
{{main|Cynthia/Quotes}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Cynthia anime.png|thumb|250px|Cynthia in ''[[Pokémon Journeys: The Series]]'']]
===Main series===
{{main|Cynthia (anime)}}
Cynthia is a recurring character in ''[[Pokémon the Series: Diamond and Pearl]]'' and ''[[Pokémon the Series: Black & White]]''. Her physical debut was in ''[[DP040|Top-Down Training!]]'', where she defeated {{ash}}'s [[rival]] [[Paul]] in a [[Full Battle]]. She has assisted Ash and {{ashfr}} on several occasions, helping them fight both [[Team Galactic]] in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Team Rocket]] in [[Unova]].

In ''[[Pokémon Journeys: The Series]]'', Cynthia returns as one of the top eight Pokémon Trainers in the world within the [[World Coronation Series]].
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===A Ripple in Time===
[[File:Cynthia Mother Daughter ARIT.png|thumb|250px|Cynthia in ''[[A Ripple in Time]]'']]
A version of Cynthia based on her {{an|Cynthia|anime counterpart}} appears in a cameo in ''[[A Ripple in Time]]''. She is seen trying to pick out ice cream at a fair stall in the [[Pokémon League]].

====Pokémon====
{|width="75%"
|{{ActivePoké|Cynthia|Garchomp|Cynthia Mother Daughter ARIT.png|dragon|ground|size=200px|link=Cynthia's Garchomp}} ♀
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===Pokémon Generations===
[[File:Cynthia PG.png|thumb|250px|Cynthia in [[Pokémon Generations]]]]
In ''[[PG11|The New World]]'', Cynthia and {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}} attempted to stop [[Cyrus]] from destroying the world by summoning {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. However, {{p|Giratina}} appeared and helped her. She then watched as Giratina took Cyrus to the [[Distortion World]].

====Pokémon====
{|width="75%"
|{{ActivePoké|Cynthia|Garchomp|Cynthia Garchomp PG.png|dragon|ground|size=200px|link=Cynthia's Garchomp#Pokémon Generations}}
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====Voice actors====
{{vatable|color={{Cynthia color}}|bordercolor={{Cynthia color light}}
|ja=遠藤綾 ''[[Aya Endō]]''
|en=[[Tara Jayne]]
|es_eu=Geni Rey}}

===Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer===
In the [[Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer]], {{mas|Cynthia}} and her {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}} form a sync pair on a team with {{mas|Lance}} and {{mas|Steven}}.

===GOTCHA!===
Cynthia briefly appeared in [[GOTCHA!]].

==In the manga==
[[File:Cynthia Looker Adventures.png|thumb|270px|Cynthia in Pokémon Adventures]]
===Pokémon Adventures===
Cynthia has loved cycling since her childhood and often races with her {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}}.

====History====
====={{MangaArc|Diamond & Pearl}}=====
Cynthia first appears in ''[[PS347|Ring Around the Roserade II]]''. She is first seen in [[Eterna City]], where she correctly predicts the evolutions of {{adv|Diamond}}, {{adv|Pearl}}, and {{adv|Platinum}}'s [[Tru]], [[Chimler]], and {{TP|Platinum|Piplup}}. After laughing at Diamond and Pearl's comedy routine, Cynthia offers to give Platinum advice for her upcoming Gym battle against [[Gardenia]]. Once finished, Cynthia attacks the [[Team Galactic Eterna Building]] in order to rescue [[Rad Rickshaw]], who was kidnapped by [[Team Galactic]].

In ''[[PS367|Suffering Psyduck]]'', Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum encounter Cynthia again at the {{si|Pokémon Mansion}}. Cynthia reveals that [[Mr. Backlot]], the owner of the mansion, asked her to investigate a {{p|Psyduck}} that went missing. She takes the three to {{rt|210|Sinnoh}}, where a large group of Psyduck have clustered together, creating a roadblock that prevents anyone from passing through the route. Using a [[Secret Medicine|SecretPotion]], Cynthia cures the Psyduck of their headaches, causing them to disperse and allow travel through Route 210.

Afterward, Cynthia and the trio meet with Cynthia's [[Professor Carolina|grandmother]], who had been forced to stay at the [[Café Cabin]] due to the roadblock preventing her from going back to [[Celestic Town]]. Cynthia decides to have her grandmother take the trio to Celestic Town while she goes off to return one of the Psyduck to its owner. Before leaving, Cynthia lends her {{TP|Cynthia|Garchomp}} to her grandmother for protection.

In ''[[PS406|Halting Honchkrow]]'', Cynthia appears at the [[Team Galactic HQ]] to confront [[Cyrus]], the leader of Team Galactic. Cynthia reveals that her intentions were to take revenge on Cyrus for attacking Celestic Town, her hometown. Despite her best efforts, Cynthia's rage leads to her commanding Garchomp to attack with {{m|Draco Meteor}}, which it had yet to master. The attack heavily damages Cyrus's {{p|Gyarados}}, but fails to actually knock it out. With Garchomp left exhausted after using the move, Cyrus bids Cynthia farewell and heads to the [[Spear Pillar]] to begin his plans.

Cynthia, realizing that Cyrus intends to summon {{adv|Pokémon of Myth|Dialga and Palkia}}, decides to follow after him to prevent the two Pokémon from being awakened. As she heads out of the building, Cynthia comes across Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, who had fought Team Galactic to free {{adv|Lake guardians|Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf}} from their clutches. The trio join Cynthia and travel to the Spear Pillar in order to put a stop to Cyrus's ambitions. By the time the group arrived at the Spear Pillar, Cyrus had already successfully summoned Dialga and Palkia and had them fight each other. The clash between the two Legendary Pokémon creates distortions in time and space that slowly begin to engulf the [[Sinnoh]] region. The distortions, combined with her injures, prevent Cynthia from being much help to Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum during the battle against Cyrus.

During the battle, an explosion causes Cynthia to drop a scroll containing information on Dialga and Palkia. After translating the scroll, Platinum relays the information to Diamond and Pearl, who successfully free Dialga and Palkia from Cyrus's control. Now free, Dialga and Palkia combine their powers to defeat Cyrus and stop the distortions affecting Sinnoh.

====={{MangaArc|Platinum}}=====
In ''[[PS431|The Final Dimensional Duel I]]'', Cynthia is taken to [[Veilstone City]] by her grandmother. Cynthia is chastised by her grandmother over her defeat at the hands of Cyrus. Cynthia's grandmother reveals she plans on training Cynthia to fully master learning Draco Meteor.

In ''[[PS440|The Final Dimensional Duel X]]'', Cynthia appears in [[Sunyshore City]], where she defeats [[Charon]] and Giratina with a fully-mastered Draco Meteor. When asked how she knew Giratina would appear in Sunyshore, Cynthia reveals that being trapped in the [[Distortion World]] left Giratina with the desire to see the sun. Afterward, Cynthia takes her grandmother to the Café Cabin as thanks for the special training.

====={{MangaArc|HeartGold & SoulSilver}}=====
In ''[[PS460|All About Arceus IX]]'', Cynthia is seen in the [[Johto]] region, where she spots Dialga and Palkia flying towards Sinnoh. She is then approached by [[Palmer]], a [[Frontier Brain]] who also hails from Sinnoh.

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|main=yes
|trainer=Cynthia
|pkmn=Garchomp
|stage1=Gabite
|gender=female
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Ground
|img=Cynthia Garchomp Adventures.png
|epnum=PS347
|epname=Ring Around the Roserade II
|desc={{p|Garchomp}} is Cynthia's strongest Pokémon and her main battler. Garchomp is well trained enough to even battle without her Trainer giving commands. She battled Cyrus and his Pokémon in the Celestic Ruins but he managed to outsmart her and use her moves against her for his own gain. She was later used against him in the Galactic HQ holding a grudge from their last battle, despite using her strongest moves including the powerful Draco Meteor, her rage caused her moves to become weaker and Cyrus escaped, with neither her nor Cynthia strong enough to follow him.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Cynthia
|pkmn=Spiritomb
|gender=female
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Dark
|img=Cynthia Spiritomb Adventures.png
|img_size=100px
|epnum=PS347
|epname=Ring Around the Roserade II
|desc={{p|Spiritomb}} was the second Pokémon seen in Cynthia's possession. With her powerful Psychic techniques she can lift objects with ease and played an important role in rescuing Rad Rickshaw from the clutches of Team Galactic. She was later used against Cyrus in the Galactic HQ and defeated his Honchkrow but was frozen by his Weavile and rendered unable to fight.

Spiritomb's known moves are {{m|Psychic}} and {{m|Shock Wave}}, and her Ability is {{a|Pressure}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Cynthia
|pkmn=Milotic
|type1=Water
|img=Cynthia Milotic Adventures.png
|epnum=PS409
|epname=Shunning Spiritomb
|desc={{p|Milotic}} was the third Pokémon seen in Cynthia's possession. Milotic was first used against the Galactic Boss Cyrus in the Team Galactic HQ, it defeated his {{p|Weavile}} after a tough battle but was knocked out by a {{m|Giga Impact}} from his {{p|Gyarados}}.

Milotic's known moves are {{m|Iron Tail}}, {{m|Brine}}, {{m|Twister}}, and {{m|Tackle}}.}}

===Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!===
[[File:Cynthia DPA.png|thumb|150px|Cynthia in Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]]
Cynthia first appears in ''[[DPA07|Dialga's Secret Keys!]]'', where she rescues [[Hareta]] from a {{tc|Team Galactic Grunt}}. Afterwards, she tells him and [[Mitsumi]] about the legends of Celestic Town and the Legendary Pokémon in Sinnoh.

She reappears in ''[[DPA23|A New Battle Begins!]]'' as a member of the Pokémon League, challenging Mitsumi. Even though Mitsumi gets the upper hand, she decides to resign, as it would make things better for Hareta.

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|main=yes
|trainer=Cynthia
|pkmn=Garchomp
|gender=female
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Ground
|img=Cynthia Garchomp DPA.png
|epnum=DPA07
|epname=Dialga's Secret Keys
|desc=While in Celestic Town, Cynthia sent out her {{p|Garchomp}} to show off her power to Hareta. In ''[[DPA23|A New Battle Begins]]'', she was up against [[Mitsumi]]'s {{p|Infernape}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Cynthia
|pkmn=Lucario
|type1=Fighting
|type2=Steel
|img=Cynthia Lucario DPA.png
|epnum=DPA23
|epname=A New Battle Begins
|desc={{p|Lucario}} was used in the Pokémon League where it faced off against Mitsumi's {{p|Electivire}}. None of Lucario's moves are known.}}

Cynthia has at least one other Pokémon, as she participated in the first round of the [[Sinnoh League]] which is a 3 on 3 Single Battle.

====Achievements====
=====Badges obtained=====
*Eight unknown badges (prior to ''[[DPA23|A New Battle Begins!]]'')

=====Pokémon League=====
Cynthia has competed in the following [[Pokémon League]]s:
*[[Sinnoh League]] - At least top 8 (''[[DPA23|A New Battle Begins!]]'')

===Pocket Monsters Platinum: Aim to Be Battle King!!===
Cynthia only appears in a flashback in ''[[PBK3|The Ultimate Combination is Formed!!]]''.

====Pokémon====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Cynthia
|pkmn=Lucario
|type1=Fighting
|type2=Steel
|img=Cynthia Lucario PBK.png
|img_size=130px
|epnum=PBK3
|epname=The Ultimate Combination is Formed!!
|desc={{p|Lucario}} only appears in a flashback alongside its Trainer. None of Lucario's moves are known.}}

==In the TCG==
===Artwork===
Artwork from the cards:
{|style="margin:auto; text-align:center; font-size:80%; {{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{tcg colorless color dark}}; background:#{{tcg colorless color}}"
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border:2px solid #{{tcg colorless color dark}}; background:#{{tcg colorless color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Cynthia Feelings.png|180px]]
|-
| Watching over her Pokémon
|}

===Cards===
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Cynthia or her Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

{{cardlist/header|Cynthia's Pokémon|Colorless|char=yes}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Rayquaza C (Supreme Victors 8)|Rayquaza]] {{SP|C}}|type=Colorless|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Rare Holo|ennum=8/147|jpset=Beat of the Frontier|jprarity=Rare Holo|jpnum=078/100}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Lickilicky C (Supreme Victors 30)|Lickilicky]] {{SP|C}}|type=Colorless|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Rare|ennum=30/147|jpset=Beat of the Frontier|jprarity=Common|jpnum=086/100}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Lucario C (Supreme Victors 31)|Lucario]] {{SP|C}}|type=Fighting|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Rare|ennum=31/147|jpsetlink=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset=Garchomp Half Deck|jpnum=004/016}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Milotic C (Supreme Victors 35)|Milotic]] {{SP|C}}|type=Water|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Rare|ennum=35/147|jpsetlink=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset=Garchomp Half Deck|jpnum=001/016}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Roserade C (Supreme Victors 40)|Roserade]] {{SP|C}}|type=Psychic|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Rare|ennum=40/147|jpsetlink=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset=Garchomp Half Deck|jpnum=002/016}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Altaria C (Supreme Victors 49)|Altaria]] {{SP|C}}|type=Colorless|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=49/147|jpsetlink=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset=Garchomp Half Deck|jpnum=005/016}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Garchomp C (Supreme Victors 60)|Garchomp]] {{SP|C}}|type=Colorless|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=60/147|jpsetlink=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset=Garchomp Half Deck|jpnum=006/016}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Spiritomb C (Supreme Victors 84)|Spiritomb]] {{SP|C}}|type=Psychic|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=84/147|jpsetlink=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset=Garchomp Half Deck|jpnum=003/016}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Togekiss C (Supreme Victors 86)|Togekiss]] {{SP|C}}|type=Colorless|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=86/147|jpsetlink=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset=Garchomp Half Deck|jpnum=008/016}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Garchomp C LV.X (Supreme Victors 145)|Garchomp]] {{SP|C}} [[Garchomp C LV.X (Supreme Victors 145)|LV.X]]|type=Colorless|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Rare Holo LV.X|ennum=145/147|jpsetlink=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset=Garchomp Half Deck|jpnum=007/016|enset2=DP Black Star Promos|ennum2=DP46}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Rayquaza C LV.X (Supreme Victors 146)|Rayquaza]] {{SP|C}} [[Rayquaza C LV.X (Supreme Victors 146)|LV.X]]|type=Colorless|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Rare Holo LV.X|ennum=146/147|jpset=Beat of the Frontier|jprarity=Rare Holo LV.X|jpnum=079/100|enset2=DP Black Star Promos|ennum2=DP47}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Ultra Prism|Garchomp|99}}|type=Dragon|expanded=yes|enset=Ultra Prism|enrarity=Rare|ennum=99/156|jpset=Ultra Moon|jprarity=R|jpnum=044/066|jpset2=GX Ultra Shiny|jpnum2=101/150|enset3=Hidden Fates|enrarity3=ShinyRare|ennum3=SV40/SV94|jpset3=GX Ultra Shiny|jprarity3=S|jpnum3=200/150}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Forbidden Light|Garchomp|62}}|type=Fighting|expanded=yes|enset=Forbidden Light|enrarity=Rare Holo|ennum=62/131|jpset=Ultra Force|jpnum=028/050}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Garchomp V (Astral Radiance 117)|Garchomp]]{{TCGV}}|type=Dragon|standard=yes|enset=Astral Radiance|enrarity=TGV|ennum=TG23/TG30|jpset=Battle Region|jprarity=CSR|jpnum=084/067}}
{{cardlist/div|Other related cards|Colorless}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Legends Awakened|Cynthia's Feelings|131}}|type=Supporter|enset=Legends Awakened|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=131/146|jpset=Temple of Anger|jprarity=Uncommon|jpset2=Unnumbered Promotional cards}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Supreme Victors|Champion's Room|135}}|type=Stadium|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=135/147|jpset=Beat of the Frontier|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=093/100}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Supreme Victors|Cynthia's Guidance|136}}|type=Supporter|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=136/147|jpset=Beat of the Frontier|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=092/100|jpsetlink2=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset2=Garchomp Half Deck|jpnum2=015/016}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Ultra Prism|Cynthia|119}}|type=Supporter|expanded=yes|enset=Ultra Prism|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=119/156|jpset=Ultra Moon|jprarity=R|jpnum=061/066|enset2=Ultra Prism|enrarity2=Rare Ultra|ennum2=148/156|jpset2=Ultra Moon|jprarity2=SR|jpnum2=070/066|jpset3=SM-P Promotional cards|jpnum3=266/SM-P|jpset4=GX Ultra Shiny|jpnum4=132/150|enset5=Hidden Fates|enrarity5=Rare Ultra|ennum5=SV82/SV94|jpset5=GX Ultra Shiny|jprarity5=SR|jpnum5=153/150|jpset6=Tag Bolt|jprarity6=U|jpnum6=086/095|enset7=Yellow A Alternate cards|ennum7=119a/156|jpset7=Double Blaze|jprarity7=TR|jpnum7=095/095|jpset8=SM-P Promotional cards|jpnum8=335/SM-P}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Cosmic Eclipse|Cynthia & Caitlin|189}}|type=Supporter|expanded=yes|enset=Cosmic Eclipse|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=189/236|jpset=Alter Genesis|jprarity=U|jpnum=088/095|enset2=Cosmic Eclipse|enrarity2=Rare Ultra|ennum2=228/236|jpset2=Alter Genesis|jprarity2=SR|jpnum2=106/095}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Brilliant Stars|Cynthia's Ambition|138}}|type=Supporter|standard=yes|enset=Brilliant Stars|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=138/172|jpset=Star Birth|jprarity=U|jpnum=093/100|enset2=Brilliant Stars|enrarity2=Rare Ultra|ennum2=169/172|jpset2=Star Birth|jprarity2=SR|jpnum2=114/100|enset3=Brilliant Stars|enrarity3=Rare Rainbow|ennum3=178/172|jpset3=Star Birth|jprarity3=HR|jpnum3=122/100|jpset4=Lucario VSTAR Starter Set|jpnum4=018/021|jpset5=Darkrai VSTAR Starter Set|jpnum5=018/020|jpset6=VSTAR Universe|jpnum6=153/172|enset7=Crown Zenith|enrarity7=GGU|ennum7=GG60/GG70|jpset7=VSTAR Universe|jprarity7=SAR|jpnum7=239/172}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Crown Zenith|Friends in Sinnoh|131}}|type=Supporter|standard=yes|enset=Crown Zenith|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=131/159|jpset=VSTAR Universe|jpnum=154/172|enset2=Crown Zenith|enrarity2=Rare Ultra|ennum2=149/159|jpset2=VSTAR Universe|jprarity2=SR|jpnum2=247/172}}
{{cardlist/footer|Colorless}}

==Gallery==
:For images of {{an|Cynthia|Cynthia's anime counterpart}}, see: [[Cynthia (anime)#Gallery|Cynthia (anime)]]
:For images of Cynthia in {{g|Masters EX}}, see: [[Cynthia (Masters)#Gallery|Cynthia (Masters)]]
===Artwork===
====Standard====
{|style="font-size:80%; margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color}}; color:#fff"
|-
|style="{{roundy|15px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | [[File:Diamond Pearl Cynthia.png|150px]]
|style="{{roundy|15px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | [[File:Brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl Cynthia.png|150px]]
|style="{{roundy|15px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | [[File:Distortion World.png|200px]]
|-
|Official artwork from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}} by {{color2|fff|Ken Sugimori}}<ref>[[a:File:CynthiaUltraPrism119.jpg|Cynthia (Ultra Prism 119)]]</ref>
|Official artwork from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl Versions|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}
|In artwork for the {{color2|fff|Distortion World}} for {{color2|fff|Pokémon Platinum}}
|-
|colspan=3 style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}}; width:100px; height:150px"| [[File:Brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl Key Art.png|350px]]
|-
|colspan=3 |Key art from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}
|}
====Concept art====
{|style="font-size:80%; margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color}}; color:#fff"
|-
|style="{{roundy|15px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}};"| [[File:Diamond and Pearl Cynthia production art.png|200px]]
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}}; | [[File:Cynthia Concept Art SM.jpg|400px]]
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}}; | [[File:Cynthia Concept Art SM 2.jpg|400px]]
|-
|Concept art from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| colspan="2" |Concept art from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun and Moon}}
|}
====Merchandise====
{|style="font-size:80%; margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color}}; color:#fff"
|-
|style="{{roundy|15px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | [[File:Cynthia and her Garchomp.png|225px]]
|style="{{roundy|15px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | [[File:Pokemon Trainers Cynthia Plush Icon.png|250px]]
|style="{{roundy|15px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}" | [[File:Cynthia Garchomp Ariga artwork.png|250px]]
|-
|colspan=2 | Artwork of Cynthia and {{pcolor|Garchomp|fff}} for the {{color2|fff|Pokémon Center (store)|Pokémon Center}} Pokémon Trainers merchandise line
|Cynthia and {{pcolor|Garchomp|fff}} artwork by {{color2|fff|Hitoshi Ariga}} for Kotobukiya ArtFx J figurines
|}
====Raw TCG artwork====
{|style="font-size:80%; margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color}}; color:#fff"
|-
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}};"| [[File:Cynthia Hideki Ishikawa.png|275px]]
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}};"| [[File:Art Life 20230519 Cynthia.jpg|275px]]
|-
|Raw artwork for the {{color2|fff|Cynthia (Ultra Prism 119)|Cynthia}} card illustrated by {{color2|fff|Hideki Ishikawa}} for {{color2|fff|Ultra Prism (TCG)|Ultra Prism}}
|Raw artwork for the {{color2|fff|Cynthia's Ambition (Brilliant Stars 138)|Cynthia's Ambition}} ultra rare print card illustrated by {{color2|fff|Megumi Mizutani}} for {{color2|fff|Ultra Prism (TCG)|Ultra Prism}}
|-
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}};"| [[File:Art Life 20230928 Friends in Sinnoh.jpg|275px]]
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}};"| [[File:Art Life 20231027 Cynthia.jpg|275px]]
|-
|Raw artwork for the {{color2|fff|Friends in Sinnoh (Crown Zenith 131))|Friends in Sinnoh}} full art print illustrated by {{color2|fff|Hideki Ishikawa}}
|Raw artwork for the {{color2|fff|Cynthia (Ultra Prism 119)|Cynthia}} {{color2|fff|S-P Promotional cards (TCG)|Sword and Shield promotional print}} illustrated by {{color2|fff|Atsushi Furusawa}} for {{color2|fff|Crown Zenith (TCG)|Crown Zenith}}
|-
|}

===Game Assets===
{|style="font-size:80%; margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color}}; color:#fff"
|-
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}};"| [[File:Sticker Template Cynthia Background.png|400px]]
|style="{{roundy|5px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}};"| [[File:UNITE Trainer Showdown Cynthia Garchomp.png|250px]]
|-
| {{color2|fff|Sticker|Seal}} Template background from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}
| Trainer Showdown Artwork for {{color2|fff|Pokémon UNITE}}
|}

====Sprites and models====
{|style="margin:auto; text-align:center; font-size:80%; {{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color}}; color:#fff"
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr DP Cynthia.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr Pt Cynthia.png]]
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSCynthia.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr BW Cynthia.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr B2W2 Cynthia.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr SM Cynthia.png|100px]]
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSCynthia SM.png|150px]]
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSCynthia BDSP.png|90px]]
|-
| Sprite from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| Sprite from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum}}
| VS sprite from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum}}
| Sprite from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions|Black and White}}
| Sprite from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Black 2 and White 2}}
| High-poly model from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon}}, {{color2|fff|Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon}}
| VS sprite from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon}}, {{color2|fff|Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon}}
| VS model from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}
|-
|colspan="2" style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Cynthia IV OD.png]]
|colspan="2" style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Cynthia OD.png]]
|colspan=2 style="{{roundy|80px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Cynthia SM OD.png|100px]]
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background: #{{cynthia color light}}"| [[File:Cynthia BDSP OD.png|80px]]
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border:2px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}; background:#{{cynthia color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSCynthia 2 BDSP.png|90px]]
|-
| colspan="2" | Overworld sprite from {{color2|fff|Generation IV}}
| colspan="2" | Overworld sprite from {{color2|fff|Generation V}}
| colspan="2" | Overworld model from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon}}, {{color2|fff|Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon}}
| Overworld model from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}
| {{color2|fff|Battle Tower (Sinnoh)|Battle Tower}} VS model from {{color2|fff|Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}
|}

==Music==
Music related to Cynthia was also arranged for various themes in [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] for the character [[Volo]].

Cynthia's battle themes, [[Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection|Battle! (Champion)]], [[Pokémon Black & Pokémon White: Super Music Collection|Battle! (Cynthia)]] and [[Pokémon Black 2 & Pokémon White 2: Super Music Collection|Battle! (Champion - Sinnoh Version)]], were adapted into the song [[battle gene M]].
{| class="roundtable" style="margin:auto; text-align: center; background: #{{cynthia color}}; border: 3px solid #{{cynthia color dark}}"
|- style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}"
! Games
! Location
! Song name
! Composition
! Arrangement
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{GameIcon|D}}{{GameIcon|P}}{{GameIcon|Pt}}
| Talking to Cynthia at the [[Pokémon League]]
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection|Champion Cynthia}}
| {{color2|000|Go Ichinose}}
| {{color2|000|Go Ichinose}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{GameIcon|D}}{{GameIcon|P}}{{GameIcon|Pt}} {{GameIcon|Su}}{{GameIcon|Mo}}{{GameIcon|US}}{{GameIcon|UM}}
| Battling Cynthia at the [[Pokémon League (Sinnoh)|Pokémon League]]{{sup/4|DPPt}} or [[Battle Tree]]{{sup/7|SMUSUM}}
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection|Battle! (Champion)}}
| {{color2|000|Junichi Masuda}}
| {{color2|000|Junichi Masuda}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{GameIcon|D}}{{GameIcon|P}}{{GameIcon|Pt}}
| Defeating Cynthia
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection|Victory! (Champion)}}
| {{color2|000|Hitomi Sato}}
| {{color2|000|Hitomi Sato}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="2" |{{GameIcon|Bl}}{{GameIcon|Wh}}{{GameIcon|B2}}{{GameIcon|W2}}
| Talking to Cynthia at [[Undella Town]]
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Black & Pokémon White: Super Music Collection|Cynthia's Theme}}
| {{color2|000|Go Ichinose}}
| {{color2|000|Hitomi Sato}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Battling Cynthia at [[Undella Town]]
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Black & Pokémon White: Super Music Collection|Battle! (Cynthia)}}
| {{color2|000|Junichi Masuda}}
| {{color2|000|Go Ichinose}} {{color2|000|Hitomi Sato}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{GameIcon|B2}}{{GameIcon|W2}}
| Battling Cynthia at the [[PWT]]
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Black 2 & Pokémon White 2: Super Music Collection|Battle! (Champion—Sinnoh Version)}}
| {{color2|000|Junichi Masuda}}
| {{color2|000|Hitomi Sato}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="3" |{{GameIcon|BD}}{{GameIcon|SP}}
| Talking to Cynthia at the [[Pokémon League]]
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection|Champion Cynthia}}
| {{color2|000|Go Ichinose}}
| {{color2|000|Shota Kageyama}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Battling Cynthia at the [[Pokémon League (Sinnoh)|Pokémon League]] or [[Battle Tower]]
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection|Battle! (Champion)}}
| {{color2|000|Junichi Masuda}}
| {{color2|000|Shota Kageyama}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Defeating Cynthia
| {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond & Pokémon Pearl: Super Music Collection|Victory! (Champion)}}
| {{color2|000|Hitomi Sato}}
| {{color2|000|Shota Kageyama}}
|-
| class="roundybottom" style="background: #{{cynthia color}}" colspan="5" | '''Song names marked with an asterisk are unofficial, as they have not received a soundtrack release.'''
|}

==Trivia==
* After the player heads into the [[Distortion World]] in Platinum, should the player use the portal to head back into Spear Pillar, Cynthia will still be there, while also being in the Distortion World.
* In the [[Generation IV]] games, {{p|Milotic}} is her only Pokémon used that was not introduced during that [[generation]].
* In Platinum, Cynthia's {{p|Togekiss}} has the {{a|Hustle}} [[Ability]], despite having no moves that benefit from the Ability.
* Cynthia shares many similarities with [[Volo]]:
** {{DL|Task|Missions|Mission}} 20, where the player must meet up with Volo, is called The Researcher of Myths, a title by which Cynthia also refers to herself.
** In his final battle, Volo wears a necklace with a teardrop-shaped ornament that resembles the ornament on Cynthia's dress. However, [[Cogita]]'s dress more fully resembles Cynthia's, including the teardrop-shaped ornament, so the significance of the ornament is uncertain.
** In the final battle against him, Volo shares five Pokémon with Cynthia's {{game|Platinum}} team: {{p|Spiritomb}}, {{p|Garchomp}}, {{p|Togekiss}}, {{p|Roserade}}, and {{p|Lucario}}.
** The only Pokémon that Volo does not use from said team is {{p|Milotic}}, as it is not present in {{g|Legends: Arceus}}. He instead uses {{rf|Hisuian}} {{p|Arcanine}}. Interestingly, Gastrodon, which is in Cynthia's {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} team, is available in Pokémon Legends: Arceus.
** Similarly, Volo will always begin the battle by sending out Spiritomb.
** The music that plays before Volo's final battle begins is an arrangement of Cynthia's battle theme. His final battle theme is an arrangement of Cynthia's encounter theme.
** After his final battle, Volo vows to meet {{p|Arceus}}, and in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Cynthia meets Arceus during the [[Sinjoh Ruins]] event.

==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{cynthia color light}}; border:3px solid #{{cynthia color}}"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| シロナ ''Shirona''
| From 白南天 ''shironanten'' ({{wp|Nandina|white-fruited nandina}}), a plant that symbolizes "love growing stronger" and "good home" in the language of flowers<ref>[https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/statuses/119083048057839616 Toshinobu Matsumiya on Twitter] (Japanese)</ref>
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, German, French
| Cynthia
| From ''Cynthia'', an epithet of the Greek goddess {{wp|Artemis}} and poetic name for the moon. The name may be a parallel to [[Cyrus]], whose name is associated with the sun.
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Spanish
| Cintia
| From ''Cintia'' (Spanish cognate of the name "Cynthia")
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Camilla
| Possibly from ''{{wp|Camilla (mythology)|Camilla}}'', an Amazon warrior and servant of the moon goddess {{wp|Diana (mythology)|Diana}} described in the {{wp|Aeneid}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 난천 ''Nancheon''
| From 남천 (南天) ''namcheon'' (nandina)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 竹蘭 / 竹兰 ''Zhúlán''
|rowspan="2"| From 南天竹 ''nántiānzhú / nàahmtīnjūk'' (nandina)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 竹蘭 ''Jūklàahn''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Brazilian Portuguese
| Cíntia{{tt|*|TCG}} Cynthia{{tt|*|anime, manga}}
| Similar to her English name Same as her English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Russian
| Синтия ''Sintiya''
| Transcription of her English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Thai
| ชิโรนะ ''Chirona''
| Transcription of her Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Vietnamese
| Shirona
| Transcription of her Japanese name
|}

==Related articles==
* [[a:Category:Cynthia|Images on the Bulbagarden Archives]]

==References==
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Talk:Goh

2023-10-25T13:29:35Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Stantler? */ new section

One can only imagine the mess this page may become the more Gou goes on his 100% capture rate catching sprees.
[[User:Panky..|Panky..]] ([[User talk:Panky..|talk]]) 16:56, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

== Gender confusion ==
Is Go actually female? There's more evidence to suggest otherwise, but I need to be certain. [[User:PDL|PDL]] ([[User talk:PDL|talk]]) 02:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

:Go's VA is male, and to my knowledge, male VAs are rarely, if ever used to voice female characters in Japan. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:28, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

::His character info on the [https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pocketmonster/news/index.html#217328 official site] refers to him as a boy (少年). --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 02:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

:::Well, there you have it. (I too was expecting Go to be female, but I digress.) [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:16, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

::::Somehow the person I'm arguing with over Go's gender still believes that Go is actually female. But I'm convinced otherwise. [[User:PDL|PDL]] ([[User talk:PDL|talk]]) 04:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

:::::A recent interview confirms them to be nonbinary. [[User:JordanTH|JordanTH]] ([[User talk:JordanTH|talk]]) 23:30, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
::::::Sorry, but that was confirmed to be false. All that was stated is that he's an androgynous male. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 00:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

==Pinsir and Scyther's personalities==

Pinsir and Scyther already showed personality.

Pinsir: Like most of its species it is aggressive and hostile, however after capture it showed to be affectionate, as it was seen hugging Go while biting his head ala James's Victreebell and Carnivine. It also was seen racing with Scorbunny and Venonat.

Scyther: Being more focused on training since it was seen practicing the speed of its strikes, just like a kendo fighter training.

Do these counts? [[User:Esquilo30|Esquilo30]] ([[User talk:Esquilo30|talk]]) 15:13, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
:At the moment, they aren't worthy of their own characters pages for which personality would be added. I would give them more time before adding it.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:26, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh ok. [[User:Esquilo30|Esquilo30]] ([[User talk:Esquilo30|talk]]) 15:31, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

==Rika Adachi==
Rika Adachi is down as voicing Taillow, do we have a source for this?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
:Never mind, found it.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:27, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

==Separate sections==
Should we maybe have separate sections for the Pokemon Go actually used at least 1 in battle or something similar (like a tournament of some sort, etc.), and then have the rest just be boxes with pictures? It would help us avoid all the unnecessary clutter if he does end up capturing like 800 mons.--[[User:ShallowShaddoll|ShallowShaddoll]] ([[User talk:ShallowShaddoll|talk]]) 17:28, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
:If it gets that far, I'd just make a new page that lists all his Pokemon.[[User:Roserade57|Roserade57]] ([[User talk:Roserade57|talk]]) 04:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

== Possible trivia and re-wording ==

I'm not sure if these could be reworded or if they are even trivia worthy but firstly, Go is the first male main character to be seen starting out as a new trainer since Ash (May, Dawn, Serena, and Lillie are, of course, all female).

Secondly, Go obtained his second Pokémon before any other new trainer (as above) being 4 episodes after his debut (May was 13 episodes later, Dawn 8 episodes, Serena 44 episodes, and Lillie not at all). He is also the earliest of all main characters to obtain six or more Pokémon (granted, he may not be known to have 6 Pokémon on hand at the same time but he still has more than 6).

Finally, he's the first main character besides Ash to be seen catching a Fire-type Starter Pokémon and the first (again, besides Ash) to catch a Starter outside a flashback since May's Bulbasaur 743 episodes earlier. Dawn's Cyndaquil was hatched from an egg given to her by Lyra, Lana's Popplio was caught in a flashback, the rest of the starters were given to them or caught before May's Bulbasaur or by Ash. [[User:Masser|Masser]] ([[User talk:Masser|talk]]) 23:03, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
:#Not important, gender doesn't matter at all.
:#Also not important. First capture is the only one in this instance that would be important.
:#This one is notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:50, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
::I've added the third point of trivia but left out the part about physically catching the Fire-type starter Pokémon. That seems way too specific and non-notable. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I thought the first wouldn't be important but thought I'd put in here on the off chance it was or could be reworded, I thought the part about having six Pokémon in the second point would be notable but hey, that's why I checked, and thanks for adding the third point. [[User:Masser|Masser]] ([[User talk:Masser|talk]]) 20:36, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
::::You're welcome. :) [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:37, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
:::::Ah, "earliest", didn't see that word. I think it's notable, it's something that rarely happens to other characters besides Ash.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:56, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
::::::But the Fire-type wording is too specific and obvious. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:55, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

==Dewgong's gender==
In its debut episode, Go's newly catched Dewgong started chasing another Dewgong with whom it fell in love. That Dewgong was drawn with long, feminine eyelashes and had a clear female voice. Should this be considered an evidence of Go's Dewgong's gender (male)? --[[User:Astrena|Astrena]] ([[User talk:Astrena|talk]]) 14:54, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:No. If it wasn't stated, we don't know its gender.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::But Force Fire, isn't the way it was presented just a way of confirming it? I mean, what else would be a way of confirmation? --[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hilaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 01:54, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
:::The only way to confirm genders, in this case at least since Dewgong doesn't have gender differences, is either if a character explicitly calls it a male/female or if it gets affected by {{m|Attract}}/{{a|Cute Charm}}. Neither of which happened. And we're not using behavioral patterns or appearances that are considered "girly", because that is not evidence on ones gender.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:49, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

== Notability for Go's Pokémon. ==

I have some question, what does a Go's Pokémon need to be considered notable?What are the rules with him?I mean, his Pokés have punctual appearances in several episodes. He's been taking turns among them. And some of them already have more content than other main characters' Pokémon.
Is there a consensus? Because, for example, there is no reason why Cubone does not have his page right away. And well, he's a main character like everyone else.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 12:38, 01 March 2020 (UTC)
:Main character or not, we cannot treat Go's captures like the others. If we gave each caught Pokemon an article, then we'd have over two dozen articles for Pokemon that for the most part do nothing but sit in the background. And why does Cubone need a page? What did Cubone do to warrant having one now? It didn't do anything other than be your standard "victim Pokemon of the week". [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 22:14, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
::In the case of Cubone, he falls into the first rule of the main characters' Pokémon(Bulbapedia:Manual of style)."If they did not, '''then they would have to have had a significant impact on the plot of the episode''' or the series as a whole." Cubone won an episode for his capture, as did just about every protagonist in the anime.

::Another one that already has a reasonable content is Scyther, which is even appearing in other media (game) besides anime. I know, and understand, that not everyone will have relevant content for a page. But that is my point for this issue. Even because the rule is out of date since the time of the anime of XY. So the question, how does the rules work with Go?[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 22:38, 01 March 2020 (UTC)

{{indent}}A [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Notability rules|new rule]] has been made specifically for Go's Pokemon. They have to meet all the requirements noted in the rule. So, Cubone is not notable for now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:27, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

How about we make a page "Go's other pokemon." the page is going to get long at this rate. [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] ([[User talk:Random Chaos|talk]]) 22:17, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

== Is this trivia worthy? ==

Since Go caught a {{p|Darmanitan}} with {{a|Zen Mode}}, is it worth mentioning that Go is the first of [[Ash's friends]] to catch a {{type|Psychic}} Pokémon since [[Misty's Starmie]]? Or does it not count since Zen Mode is more of a form change, thus not making Darmanitan a Psychic-type 100% of the time? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 18:41, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I vote no. [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] ([[User talk:Random Chaos|talk]]) 19:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

:Being second is not notable at all.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket Grunt]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Report To Me]])''' 19:50, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
::it would be the first time in over 1000 episodes and the first time it happened in an episode. That’s notable.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 20:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

== Go's Pokémon section ==

I was thinking that maybe it would be better visually and more organizing to put all of Go's Pokémon in the section "Kept at Sakuragi Park", in the ActivePoké Template, and link them with another article "List of Pokémon owned by Go" (except Scyther who already owns its own article). What do you think?
I'm showcasing the example below.

''Note: I only included a few of his mons to point out the idea.'' {{unsigned|Riox-Ibui}}

'''''At Sakuragi Institute:'''

{| width="50%"
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Caterpie|Goh Caterpie.png|bug|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Metapod|Goh Metapod.png|bug|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Venomoth|Goh Venomoth.png|bug|poison|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Paras|Goh Paras Parasect.png|bug|grass|link=no}}
|-
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Parasect|Goh Paras Parasect.png|bug|grass|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Butterfree|Goh Butterfree.png|bug|flying|link=no}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Pinsir|Goh Pinsir.png|bug|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Weedle|Goh Weedle.png|bug|link=no}}
|}
::The problem is that it can generate another messy page like the recurring Pokemon. Some Go Pokés even already have pages practically ready to go to the main space.[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 02:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
:::I support this idea, since Go is bound to catch even more Pokémon. A "List of Pokémon owned by Go" page could be formatted like the new [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum]] page, rather than the style of the recurring wild Pokémon article. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 13:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
::::That is what I meant. It's been a while that I have created a similar page for Go on my userpage: [[User:Riox-Ibui/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_owned_by_Go|List of Pokémon owned by GO]]. ([[User:Riox-Ibui|'''Riox''']][[User talk:Riox-Ibui|'''イブイ''']] 17:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC))
:::::Nice, let's hope your page can be mainspaced soon. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 09:32, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

== Rattata's Gender ==

It's hard to tell which gender Rattata is since the whiskers are not on the same size. [[User:Esquilo30|Esquilo30]] ([[User talk:Esquilo30|talk]]) 13:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

== Rain Dance ==

I think Ash saying "it wasn't rain dance" was actually referring to Golurk being crazy, rain dance wouldn't explain the way it was acting, or even so I think Go saying could this be Golurk's rain dance I feel is explicit proof that it knows the move rain dance, otherwise I'm not entirely sure why Go would question the way he did. I don't think your first thought if a Caterpie breathes flames is "Is that Caterpie's flamethrower" I'm pretty sure if it was unfamiliar the move you would ask is "Caterpie can use flamethrower?" Since Go asked if this is the result of Golurk's Rain Dance, it didn't come off as "well this is brand new information, I didn't know Golurk can use rain dance" feels like Go is saying one of Golurk's move is indeed rain dance, whether the argument is "Golurk used it here or not" is irrelevant. But that's just my interpretation/perspective, I'll let others decide how it should be handled. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] ([[User talk:Dman dustin|talk]]) 21:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
I assumed it was rain dance but does raid pokemon have extra power than ordinary--[[User:Gian9456] ([[User talk:Gian9456|talk]]) 7:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

== Gou Pokemon ==

Please give me a chance, I know im screw up to you all. I'm doing my best because I want to be part of team. Also, stay safe during the corna virus if I correctly about my family lost two members:(

1. Darmanitan had shown to be bully pokemon to Scorbunny as it teased poor fire bunny pokemon to perfecting any fire types moves. It was being really scum personality.

2. Ekans had shown to loved getting bathed by the hoes.

3. Stantler was shown to be defended the other pokemon from Beedrill along with Nidoran the male pokemon.

4. Beedrill was very angry with food to be stolen then shown to be ok with Ash leaving his arm on ash shoulder

5. Taillow showed you be careful to split in half of the food that it and Sparrow had found :)

6. Farfetch'd was thinking of eating its own main weapon but realized it was part of it and was scared of Taillow and sparrow who wanted to eat it.

7. Pinsir showed you be concerned Pokémon to stop others for fighting as he rejects of battles

8. Misdreavus had an idea to use the tree that was cut by Scyther to show off strength to get food by other pokemon.

9. Golurk showed not to help the pother pokemon until three incidents weren't part of the battles. it wanted to save them.--Gian9456 23:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

== Magikarp's gender ==

The two Magikarp Goh caught has yellow whiskers, which means they're males.
[[User:Esquilo30|Esquilo30]] ([[User talk:Esquilo30|talk]]) 15:37, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
:Unless it was explicitly stated, it's not a male. We can't use gender differences here as a the female variant (of Magikarp) has not appeared in the anime yet, and Magikarp is a pre-Gen IV Pokemon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:40, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I agreed. funny didn't notice it. Also what u think i said on top .--Gian9456 23:18, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
:Please don't remove comments from talk pages. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:02, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I didn't it.--Gian9456 21:36, 15June 2020 (UTC)

== Beedrill should have its own profile ==

It definitely shown to have competitive side against Ash's Dragonite. It will quickly get aggressive to accused pokemon that are nearby that stolen its food. He was even putting his arm over Ash's shoulder to tell him he hungry. I know its not a lot but it defiantly showing to be a character. {{unsigned|Gian9456}}
:It has its own profile. It’s not going to have a full page based on that little bit--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 01:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
::Its doesn't have its own profile. Nothing like Scyther. {{unsigned|Gian9456}}
:::Scyther has a page. They both have profiles. Patience is key--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 02:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
:::: Where I only seen Scyhter. {{unsigned|Gian9456}}
:::::We are working on a page for Beedrill--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 22:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
::::::May I see, please. {{unsigned|Gian9456}}
:::::::Beedrill meets all of the requirements to be mainspaced; showed up in more than one episode, taken from the lab and brought to another region (Unova), and used in an important battle (the Max Raid battle).--[[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 00:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::: So can I see Beedrill profile page. --Gian9456 00:26, 24 June 2020 (UTC)Gian9456
The page for practically all Goh Pokémon is ready, the question is that the administrator asked to wait before they go to the main space. That simple.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 02:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

== Flabébé's gender ==

You forgot to add the female symbol on Flabébé's name, they're a female only species. [[User:Esquilo30|Esquilo30]] ([[User talk:Esquilo30|talk]]) 15:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

== Go's Pokemon ==

Can you make a new page of "List of Go's Pokemon" and put all Go's Pokemon except Pokemon that are more important as Raboot, Scyther and Beedrill are which would be on Go's page and they have their own pages( as they have). Maybe; On Hand: Raboot, At Cerise park: Scyther and Beedrill( and other Pokemon deemed worthy) and below that: list of other Goh's Pokemon as a link.
:Such a page is already being worked on, you can see it [[User:Riox-Ibui/List of Pokémon owned by Goh|here]]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
:::In fact, the listing of Goh's Pokémon could change. Have an "On Hand" section, an "In Rotation" section (with those that already have a page and that he has used in other regions, such as Scyther, Beedrill, Magikarp and Farfetch'd) and that of Pokés in Cerise Park. I was going to decrease the extra volume a lot.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 15:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
My sugestion

'''In rotation:'''

This list is of the recurring Pokémon used by Goh on his journey.
{| width="50%"
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Oddish|Goh Oddish.png|grass|poison|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Venomoth|Goh Beedrill.png|bug|poison|link=Goh's Beedrill}}
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Scyther|Goh Scyther.png|bug|flying|link=Goh's Scyther}}
|-
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Farfetch'd|Goh Farfetch'd.png|Normal|flying|link=no}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Magikarp|Goh giant Magikarp.png|water|link=no}}
| {{ActivePoké|Go|Sobble|Goh Sobble.png|water|link=no}}
|}

'''Kept at Cerise Park'''

The following is a listing of Pokémon Goh is known to have caught but keeps at the Institute.
{| width="50%"
| {{ActivePoké|Go|List of Pokémon owned by Goh|Goh party.png|normal|link=User:Riox-Ibui/List of Pokémon owned by Goh}}
|}
--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 16:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
:::Nothing?--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 13:54, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
::::It is being discussed by the staff. We'll let you folks know here, when a decision has been made. [[User:Adil|'''Adil''']] — [[User talk:Adil|'''Talk page''']] 08:18, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for bringing it up. The staff had a discussion and came to the conclusion that Raboot and Sobble belong in the 'on hand' section (like Raboot, Sobble seems to sleep out of its ball and was with Goh mostly, as per new episode), the other ones that he uses for battling or any other use in episodes (besides their capture episode of course) can go in the 'in rotation' section until we see them back at the Cerise Lab. The unused ones can go to the List of Goh's Pokémon article. About that, instead of putting a long list cramped under one section, we have decided to divide the article into sections based on the regions where the respective Pokemon was captured in. In the long run, it'd make things easier to manage and also more organized.
:::::As for the 'in rotation' section, if there's a Pokémon listed there who's not notable enough to get mainspaced, we can link it to the Goh's Pokémon article that has its description there. It should work until the Pokémon in question is notable enough to get its own article. [[User:Adil|'''Adil''']] — [[User talk:Adil|'''Talk page''']] 01:04, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
::::::I liked the idea of separating by region. I hadn't thought of that, good idea.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 04:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Me neither. The article is pretty well-organized now. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:57, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
::::::::Agreed, this will be a lot easier to keep track of. [[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]] ([[User talk:Animaltamer7|talk]]) 14:50, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

== Sunflora ==

Should Sunflora be added to a Befriended/Temporary section? Goh even commanded Sunflora to use some moves. [[User:TossedDwarf5019|TossedDwarf5019]] ([[User talk:TossedDwarf5019|talk]]) 19:14, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

== Link to Goh's Pokémon ==

What do you folks prefer? The [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Goh&diff=prev&oldid=3234003 template, just the link, or both]? I personally like the link more than the template as it seems visually more direct in this specific case. The article in question is more of a general article and practically no image would be able to perfectly describe its content. The best we have is a group shot, which doesn't even include the majority. But I want to know what you think. [[User:Adil|'''Adil''']] — [[User talk:Adil|'''Talk page''']] 11:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
:Group shot. Fits with the format going on and the image can be updated when a better one happens.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 11:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
::I also like the group shot, makes it fit in with the rest of the section's theme. [[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]] ([[User talk:Animaltamer7|talk]]) 11:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
:::I think the current model is ideal, I think it's kind of complicated to have a photo with all the Pokémon in Goh together. Putting only the link, without the template, leaves the page empty and without content.
:::I don't think there should be changes mainly because it took a long time to find a model and organize everything in a good way.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 12:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
::::I just wanted some input to make sure we're on the same page. In case if a better alternative is available, there's no harm in considering or discussing it otherwise there'd be no progress, even when necessary. If the majority is good with the group shot, then we'll use that. [[User:Adil|'''Adil''']] — [[User talk:Adil|'''Talk page''']] 12:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::I understand, one thing that I think we could try to find a better way is to redirect to the Pokés that are in the Lab. Say, if I want to go see something about Goh's Darmanitan, I have to go to the list page, and then go to the specific page(This process on the pages of other main characters is much more easier). Was having a direct link on the Goh page better?I know that by the end of Journeys some of those Pokémon will not have their own page, but some have, and they are important. But they were never officially on the Goh main team.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 12:40, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
::::::It's a little subjective maybe, but I felt that the link got the point across sooner than the template. That's all. The structure itself of the listing article is fine, and direct links are only useful when the specific character have their own page, if that's what you were referring to in the 2nd half of your comment.
::::::As for the first question, searching those with no pages, i.e. Goh's Heracross, we already have redirects that ideally should go to the respective mon directly. For instance, if you search Goh's Heracross, it'll take you directly to its own sub-section without having to scroll through the list. It was initially an oversight on my part that I had linked them to the general region sections as opposed to the specific members. If there's a link that currently doesn't redirect correctly, please fix it if/when you come across it. [[User:Adil|'''Adil''']] — [[User talk:Adil|'''Talk page''']] 13:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

==Sunflora==

I think Sunflora might be put before Ash's Pikachu in "temporary" Pokémon section, because it was used in the past even if its was revealed after the episode that Goh used Pikachu.--[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 00:21, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
:I get what you mean, but that'd honestly be more confusing for general readers than following the episode order, particularly for sections such as Pokémon that a Trainer used. [[User:Adil|'''Adil''']] — [[User talk:Adil|'''Talk page''']] 06:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

== Goh's Pokémon ==

I was thinking that it might be better to have the section of Goh's Pokemon rearranged visually like the following example:
====On hand====
''This list will show the Pokémon that Goh keeps on hand''
{| width="100%"
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Raboot|Goh Raboot.png|fire|fir=Scorbunny}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Sobble|Goh Sobble.png|water}}
|
|}

====At Cerise Park/In rotation====
''This list will show all the Pokémon that Goh owns, who reside in Cerise Park. As of JN038 we have seen that Golurk was staying at the Park since it's capture, but as of the latest episode it was being rotated on Goh's main team, which can further happen for all the Pokemon that Goh owns. If one of thems has it's own article we link it to that, otherwise we link it to the article "List of Pokemon owned by Goh".''
{| width="50%"
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Beedrill|Goh Beedrill.png|bug|poison}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Scyther|Goh Scyther.png|bug|flying}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Skwovet|Goh Skwovet.png|normal}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Golurk|Goh Golurk.png|ground|ghost}}
|-
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Magikarp|Goh giant Magikarp.png|water}}
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Heracross|Goh Heracross.png|bug|fighting}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Raichu|Goh Raichu.png|electric|fir=Pikachu}} ♀
| {{ActivePoké|Goh|Aerodactyl|Goh Aerodactyl.png|rock|flying}}
|}

'''Let me know what you think.''' ([[User:Riox-Ibui|'''Riox''']][[User talk:Riox-Ibui|'''イブイ''']] 09:54, 21 September 2020 (UTC))
:Do you mean to say we should list all of Goh's Pokémon on his main page like above? [[User:Adil|'''Adil''']] — [[User talk:Adil|'''Talk page''']] 09:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::Yes. And for the Pokémon that don't have their article we link it to the article "List of Pokemon owned by Goh". ([[User:Riox-Ibui|'''Riox''']][[User talk:Riox-Ibui|'''イブイ''']] 21:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC))

== Goh's Pinsirn ==

I was thinking that it might be better to Goh's Pinsir will be moved to the section of "In rotation", because, like Golurk, Pinsir stayed at least one episode on Goh's hand.--[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 23:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
::I think there should be no problem. Ask Adil, he must have a position on this.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana |talk]]) 00:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:::I'll have to double check. I'll get back to you on this later. [[User:Adil|'''Adil''']] — [[User talk:Adil|'''Talk page''']] 09:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

== How is Goh a Generation 7 character? ==

I noticed on Goh's page he had Gen VII in his list of generations along with Gen VIII. How is Goh a Generation 7 character?
[[User:Koopabulba|Koopabulba]] ([[User talk:Koopabulba|talk]]) 15:40, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

== Is this trivia worthy? ==

Is it worth mentioning that Goh is the first of Ash's friends to trade away a Pokémon (his second Pinsir), seal away a Pokémon (his Eternatus), give away a Pokémon (his Dugtrio), and release a Pokémon (his White Flower Floette)? Or is this too specific to be worth mentioning? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 20:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
:Dawn traded Buizel and released Pachirisu.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|Rocket]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt]]''' 20:11, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
::She did along with giving away her Ambipom, but she didn't seal away one of her Pokémon. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 20:37, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
:::Too specific.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:02, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

== Reference to Pokémon Legends: Arceus ==

Goh caught an {{rf|Alolan}} {{p|Ninetales}} in [[Sinnoh]]'s [[Mount Coronet]] in ''[[JN071|Leaping Toward the Dream!]]''. Could this be an early reference to [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus]] where one can acquire an Alolan {{p|Vulpix}} in Hisui after completing a specific Request Mission? Or is this a bit of a stretch since the Alolan Vulpix you get in Pokémon Legends: Arceus is located in [[Alabaster Icelands]] instead of [[Coronet Highlands]]? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 06:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, nothing more than coincidence. The circumstances between each event are completely different outside of involving a member of the Vulpix line. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 07:24, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
::Ok. Thanks for clearing it up. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 19:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

== Romanization ==

Is there any official merchandise or website URLs in Japan that romanize his name as "Go"? Or is it a fan romanization? Because "Goh" (the official English name) is a perfectly valid romanization of the long vowel sound (which can also be conveyed as "Gou" or "Gо̄"), and it obviously derives from the transcribed katakana equivalent of the English word "go" (ゴー). Unless "Go" is what is used as the official trademark name on merchandise/website URLs/etc. in Japan, I'd have no objection to listing his Japanese name as "Goh" and saying that the Japanese and English names are the same for the purpose of listings of his Japanese name, listings of Japanese episode titles, and listings of the Japanese names on the pages for his Pokémon, etc.. But this change would need a consensus. [[User:TheEliteMaster|TheEliteMaster]] ([[User talk:TheEliteMaster|talk]]) 00:26, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
:It's spelled "Go" going by the [[Special:Diff/3056097|edit summary]] here. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 01:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
::"Go" has also been seen on [https://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music116/v4/21/78/aa/2178aa85-9e00-f97a-7beb-4abd108770a7/4547366555646.jpg/1200x1200bf-60.jpg music cover art], and even [[JN126|a bilingual episode title]]. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 01:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Okay, then "Go" is the official romanization. Case closed. [[User:TheEliteMaster|TheEliteMaster]] ([[User talk:TheEliteMaster|talk]]) 02:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

== Stantler? ==

Why is it missing from the page? He caught a Stantler alongside the Misdreavus and it was shown in Cerise's lab later on as well.

Talk:Generation II

2016-08-22T16:58:27Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Thematic motif question */ pardon the awful grammar, didn't even catch it until i revised it

What is White City? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 02:42, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

White City is the city in Pokemon Stadium Gold/Silver. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 02:46, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. That's what you get for never really touching Stadium, eh? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 02:46, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I played it for the better part of 60 or 70 hours and didn't know what it was. ^^;

~Evan

So where does the first one take place? Indigo Plateu? {{unsigned|Zeta}}
:[[Kanto]]. [[User:C Teng|C Teng]] [[User talk:C Teng|[talk]]] 14:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== metal ==

Gee, I sure hope no ones rewrite 'metal' as MENTAL (lol) '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' 10:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

== Select button ==

How do you do to make a item be used with select button? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 16:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Go to it, press A, then click on Register. This only works on Key Items, by the way. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 16:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks. By the way, on my version it stod "SEL", but it still worked. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 16:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Starters ==

When you finish the Jhoto part and you are able to travel to Kanto you get to chose one Kanto starter? If so, I think it should be in the article, if not, then no! ;)--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:No Kanto starters, I'm afraid.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 18:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ok then, don't mind this, thank you!--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 06:00, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Accuracy ==

If a move has 100% accuracy, like Earthquake, it only hit 99.6% of the time in Generation I. Does it continue to do so in Gen II? [[User:Hotmedal|Hotmedal]] 07:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:[[Accuracy|Yes]]. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um. According to the page you linked, you mean “No”. --WikidSmaht 10:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Uh.... yeah.... Can't even claim I was overtired when I wrote that.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 19:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Um... Wasnt generation 2 the first to have a shiny pokemon to be in the main storyline? (its says so in the trivia section of PMD explorers of time and darkness) --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad]][[User talk:Usyflad10|10]] 05:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:Quote that trivia: "{{tt|This|PMD2}} is the second game to feature a shiny Pokémon as part of the main storyline, with the first being the {{tt|Generation II main series|the generation we are talking about}}." Umm... yup. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:: wat was it? --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad]][[User talk:Usyflad10|10]] 21:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's in the article. I suggest you look there. </discussion> —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

== Ending in 2001? ==

I don't understand, the generation did not end with the American release of Pokémon Crystal, it ending when Ruby and Sapphire were released right?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:Yes as I understand it the same applies for other Generations as well as is shown below:
::'''Generation I''' ended when Pokemon Gold/Silver were released thus starting '''Generation II'''
::'''Generation II''' ended when Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire were released thus starting '''Generation III'''
::'''Generation III''' ended when Pokemon Diamond/Pearl were released thus starting '''Generation IV'''
::'''Generation IV''' will end when Pokemon Black/White are released thus starting '''Generation V'''

Therefore one generation ends when a another set of paired games are released, Remakes don't count. [[User:Pday2387|Pday2387]] 10:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Prototype Pokemon Names ==

I was digging around my old website to find some nifty tidbits to add to Bulbapedia, and I found this page: [http://pa4.pokemonaaah.net/pokemon/4-pokemon-game-boy/08-gs-pokedex.html G/S Prototype Names] I didn't make any of this up, a lot of it actually came from Bulbagarden and PokeFor back in the day. Some of the interesting names:
* Xatu & Xoqo for Natu & Xatu, respectively
* Trillix for Misdreavus or Sneasel (the name "Misdreavus" is on the list, but given to Sneasel, while Misdreavus is named "Trillix"... [http://www.slipups.com/items/6623.html Another piece of evidence for "Trillix"]
* Duglari for Dunsparce
I wonder if some of this can appear SOMEWHERE, obviously most likely on each Pokemon's page... Whaddya think? - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 06:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== re: English-language release ==

Wikipedia says Sep 4, everything else says Oct 13, both for Australia, and both before the 15th; either one's right or both are wrong. We get pushed aside for everything as it is... [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 00:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't know where Bulbapedia got the date from, and Wikipedia is not even sourced so who knows. I can't find anything. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== Incorrect Trivia? ==

I was reading this article when I came across this:

"Generation II is the only generation where:
Each Pokémon has a different sprite in each game (except for Unown and a few others)."

This doesn't sound right to me. Gen I had different sprites for all of their Pokemon, so Gen II isn't the only gen to do this. In addition, Pokemon Crystal didn't make new sprites for the Pokemon - they picked a sprite from G/S and animated it. So I think this part should be removed. [[User:Coronation|Coronation]] 01:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
:There's also "Generation II is the only generation where the National Pokédex cannot be completed without another generation[...]," which doesn't make sense to me. I'm ''pretty'' sure you can't obtain Dialga and Palkia, Mewtwo, Deoxys, Ho-Oh and Lugia, and the Legendary Dogs (among others) in Black/White without obtaining them from a previous generation. Please correct me if I'm wrong. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']] 03:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::At the first comment in this topic: I think that means that the sprites differed between games: i.e. Silver and Gold had different sprites whereas Red and Blue shared sprites.
::The second point is correct in that the article is incorrect. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]'''

== "Two-stage, cat-like evolutionary line" ==

Should we list out the Pokémon in this category that were introduced in the other generations?
*Generation I introduced {{p|Meowth}}/{{p|Persian}}
*Generation III introduced {{p|Skitty}}/{{p|Delcatty}}
*Generation IV introduced {{p|Glameow}}/{{p|Purugly}}
*Generation V introduced {{p|Purrloin}}/{{p|Liepard}}
It just seems appropriate, especially as readers who aren't aware of this fact might want to know what the other evolutionary lines are. Also, [[Generation I]] also points out the fact that a damaging move varying in type was not introduced and lists those that were in later generations, so it'd also improve consistency. [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 03:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

You know the same thing is true with fossil pokemon there wasn't two two staged evolution pokemon nor was there any new fossil pokemon,Shouldn't this be notified somewhere in the article? {{unsigned|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP}}

:The thing is. It's already stated in there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:03, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

== Move tag request ==

If you think the article "Generation II" should be tagged for moving to a new title "Gold & Silver series", then will you please replace {{Template|Unknown name}} with [[Template:Move|<code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>move|Gold & Silver series<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>]]? [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 23:14, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pure Starter Error ==

In the first paragraph of the Thematic motifs it states that every generation except VI has had one starter with a ''pure'' type final evolution. This is true, however generation IV also failed to introduce a final form starter that retains its single typing. Both Torterra, Infernape, and Empoleon are dual type Pokemon. Gen IV should be added to this sentence.

== Thematic motif question ==

"The player must navigate Johto and Kanto, beating the new Elite Four, sixteen Gym Leaders and the original Pokémon Champion Red. This is after defeating the newly revitalized Team Rocket, searching for the fallen Giovanni. The second generation expanded upon trading through use of held items, evolution through the addition of friendship, and breeding to attain pre-evolution or baby Pokémon." "Johto is physically connected to Kanto and these games added depth to both regions."

How is this relevant to the recurring theme of the region though? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 15:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions

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I can't find on the am3 site where the Sept. 28 date is. Please provide an explanation. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 16:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Can someone fix the formatting? ==

I don't know if this is just my browser or what, but there's a overlap in the "Connectivity" section. The "''Diamond and Pearl also feature connectivity to Pokémon Ranger...''" part (and the two "edit" links for that section) is partially blocked by the the StrategyWiki box. I don't know enough about formatting to fix it myself, but could someone else do so?
:Might be your browser. What do you use? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::Firefox 2 at normal zoom. [http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9892/messupok3.gif Here's what I see (circled problem area)] -[[User:Ringtails|Ringtails]] 05:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it happens for me, too, I run Firefox 2 as well. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Can't be helped, I think. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Transferring Pokemon from GBA to DS ==

can it be any pokemon game on the gba?
or just FireRed LeafGreen or Emerald?
please help.
[[User:Carluverdrm2004|Carluverdrm2004]] 21:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:...Of course all of them. Why would it be only FR, LG and Emerald?--[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 22:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Just that you can't do the Red and Blue, Gold and Silver game boy games on it. Unsigned comment by {{u|Maryland157}}
:GBC games don't fit in the DS slot. All GBA games do so all Generation III games are fine. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

:Too bad Nintendo can't create a machine where you insert your R/B/Y/G/S/C game in one slot and your Generation III in another slot or your D/P card above the empty Gen III slot (you can only transfer from either Gen I and II to Gen III or to Gen IV). A Small '''Plasma''' TV (Like the ones at the demo stations in stores) would be situated above the machine. Once you insert the Gen I or II Game Pak and Gen IV Game Card into the machine, you would turn on the machine and an option would appear (you would control the menu with a Gamecube controller [don't ask why...]) to transfer the Pokemon to your DS card. Say '''YES''' and the boxes from the Game Pak would appear. You would choose the Pokemon you want to transfer to your DS Card (same Pal Park rules APPLY!!!) and say '''YES''' two times. Once the machine has done its thing, the machine will turn off and you'd remove your game card and game pak. Once this is done, you'd take out your DS, insert the card, turn it on, bypass the screens, start your game, and go to pal park. And, hey, presto, before you know it your pre-GEN III pokemon would be in your Gen IV card! [[User:MudkipNDS|themaestro2.0]] 20:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

::Whatever, whatever. Don't advertise YouTube videos here. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 21:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

== singapore release two days eariler! ==
in singapore diamond pearl can be found in stores on 21st april, around 9am since most store open at that time. that is around 9pm on 20 april in the US! any countries release eariler that the US? [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 01:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:Amazon decided to give everybody their copies on the 21st.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] 07:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)'

::I got my copy from a GameZone on April 18! --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 21:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Manaphy Giveaway ==
Should we add something about the {{p|Manaphy}} giveaway at Toys R Us? --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 21:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Linking Question ==

Can you do link-up trades and battles with just One Game Pak on Pearl and Diamond? [[User:Evil Sonic|'''Evil Sonic''']] 00:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:You should ask someone directly on their talkpage.[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']] 00:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::It's been a looong time since somebody didn't ask on a user's talk page. Because then anyone can answer here, not just the owner of that said talk page. *coughs a little, since she um, breaks that sometimes*
::Anyway. What do you mean by just one game pak..? [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 00:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

(Sorry for not asking someone on their talk page) By one Game Pak I mean , one person has the game and the other person chooses the download play option to link with the game. [[User:Evil Sonic|'''Evil Sonic''']] 01:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:I see. Ask [[User:TTEchidna|TTEchidna]], he ''knows'' everything.[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']] 01:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Ah. No, then. You can't download D/P like that.
::Also, um, don't you think asking TTE for everything is a little.. I dunno. Kind of 'hey, there's OTHER people too.'. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 01:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Of course. But I can't think of anyone else right now.[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']] 01:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::[[BMGf]], maybe? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

== New Version ==

Pokemon.com has admitted 2 a new pokemon version! If you don't believe me, click here:[[http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008]][[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

:O RLY?
:Guess what. Bulbapedia isn't here for speculation. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 14:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
It's just an annonucement, cuz everyone thinks that d/p is it. It's not.[[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 15:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
::Judging by the URL, that mailbag came out February 4, 2008. I think that they were talking about the sequels to Pokémon Mysterious Dungeon. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 04:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:::What about this speculation?? *Pokémon Platinum, set for September release. Giratina on the box* --{{SUBST::User:Keirou/sig}} 16:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Many Pokemon Websites are saying that blueskY has info of the 3rd Game '''BUT''' this just a '''rumor'''
1.The name of the new play will be "Pokémon Platinium", as already Giratina had been said will be the protagonist of the game, it is expected that this play leave in September.

2.Volkner leaves the Sunyshore City Gym and a new leader take his place, like what happened in Pokémon Emerald with Wallace.

3.The Sinnoh underground will be able to enjoy with Wi-Fi.

4.There Will Be a new called island "Battle Island" that will have the same function as the "Battle Frontier"

5.The game will have the new forms of the protagonists of the Eleventh Movie will appear: the Alternate form of Giratina, the Flying form of Regigigas?, and the other form of Shaymin,is said that it will be an Ice type, while the new forms of Giratina and Regigigas will have the Ability of Levitation.
Sounds better than D/P

'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''
:It also sounds like a tremendous hoax. We shouldn't add anything to the pages just yet. Coro-Coro will be running the official story in five days, so we should be able to get at least a little information then. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 23:16, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::I know blueskY said that even though i have heard of it
'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''
:::Well The scans are up on the internet now, seems like it is confirmed. --[[User:Keirou|Keirou]] 17:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I still feel like there's room for doubt.. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_%28disambiguation%29 Read the disambiguation at the bottom.''[[User:David aipom|David]]
''Aipom

:That was added in ''February'' by an anonymous IP. I'm not sure how reliable we can call that. Platinum... I mean, it just doesn't seem to fit with the other two. And who would the version mascot be, anyway? Only four more days, then we can start adding information. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 20:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:P.S. When someone added Platinum to the {{wp|Pokémon video game series}} page, it was removed less than half a day afterwards. My guess is that whoever did it missed the disambig page, and would have removed it anyway. I don't want to come across as a prick here; I'm as anxious for DPv3 as any of you. I just think we should wait for solid information. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Matronimos, I agree that Platinum doesn't seem to fit with Diamond and Pearl but then can you say that Crystal went with Gold and Silver, (crystal should be named platinum)and Crystal should be the name of this game as it goes well diamond pearl crystal, however obviously Nintendo didn't plan it this far in advance.

So if it was to be linked and fit with Diamond and Pearl than it should be opal (especially as that is connected to Giritina).
:Yeah, I didn't think of the Crystal thing until afterwards. I believe it'll still be Opal, as they already have Giratina in place the way they had Rayquaza last time, while they seem to have picked Suicune at random for Crystal (I doubt they were planning a third version when they made Gold and Silver, although that had become part of a pattern by the next generation). But that's not the point. It could be that I'm absolutely wrong, and it will be Platinum, have Cresselia for a a mascot, and have a wi-fi underground that screws over the players of the other two versions. We can't add any of that, though, because it's unconfirmed. In three days, though, we'll have our answer (broken record much?). --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 18:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I told U, but did U believe me? noooo. Oh and number 5 has 2 be faked, as pokemon with different sprites in different games are rare, and nintendo wants 2 keep it that way.[[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 20:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, number 5 is the only one I think is plausible. And the game you pointed out was just Mystery Dungeon 2. That's already out in English, I believe. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Cave Entrances? ==

Well the guy that put that on the article (Diamond and Pearl are the first games to have cave entrances facing east and west)obviously hasn't played FR/LG as [[Lost Cave]] has them already. Well was that really important? xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:That's ''inside'' Lost Cave, not the entrance. DP have the entrances, from the outside, on the sides. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== Connectivity between Korean and non-Korean versions ==

The article refers that a non-Korean Pokémon name on a Korean version or that a Korean Pokémon name on a non-Korean version will appear as empty spaces. How is this possible? Why didn't Nintendo patch this? And yes, I know that Nintendo of Korea is only about two and half years old. BTW, has this drawback been fixed in Platinum, from what is known at the moment? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 21:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm no expert or anything, but maybe they mean that there are '''no''' letters/characters where the Korean ones were. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| Fi-ray ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 21:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== is this trivia worthy? ==

I just notice this with the English version. On the box, right next to the Pokémon logo it has the ® logo. And the in game screen it has the ™ logo. What do you think? --[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 08:22, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Would this be trivia? ==

On the battle menu, the fight button is red, the run is blue, the pokémon is green and the bag is orange or yellow. Possibly a generation 1 reference?--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 06:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:I never thought about that. I think it could be!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 06:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::Should a higher up agree on it?--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 07:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well of course everything using those color combinations refers to the first generation.... red, blue, green and yellow are very generic colors. I don't think this is worthy of a mention every single time. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Yea you're right, red, blue, yellow, and green are common colors. So never mind about it.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 03:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Today's figures on sales? ==

I was just wonder if it was possible for someone to find up to date sale figures of D/P because this is only up to 2007. [[User:Water type Master|Water type Master]] 12:12, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Is this right? ==

The blurb on my Diamond says:
"as you search for the Pokémon that rules space in Pokémon Diamond Version."
Was there some mistake? Did they mess it up? Last I checked, Dialga ruled time.[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 09:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:[http://nishdesignz.com/pfz/%5B09.01.13%5D%20Mewtwo%20-%20%5BXMAS08%5D%20Pokemon%20Diamond%20&%20Wifi%20Link%20&%20DS%20Charger/5%20-%20Pokemon%20Diamond%20Back.jpg This] image begs to differ. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 10:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::I have a picture too. I can't upload it at the moment, as I'm on the Wii, but I'll try tomorrow. I'm telling you, it says space.--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 09:43, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::[http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/063/c/7/WTF__by_Pokelova.jpg Here] it is.I told you so.--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 04:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Are both of your games the USA version, or do they come from another country? I just checked my Canadian Pearl case, and it actually doesn't get specific. Just "...as you search for the Pokémon that rules in Pokémon Pearl Version." [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:42, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Mine'll be the Australian version, since I'm living in NZ, right?--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 06:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::I suppose. The cartridge should say. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 06:39, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::I have the '''Australian''' version of Pokémon Diamond, and I mine has that error too. It should be trivia worthy, as it definatly is an error. {{tt|The Austrlian Pearl, however, is correct.|I have both Diamond and Pearl Australian versions, and they both say space}} [[User:Takharii|''' たかはりい ''']] [[User talk:Takharii|'''talk''']] 07:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::: The trivia states that this error 'was corrected' on the boxart of other regions. Was the Australian boxart the first to be made? Since I don't think anyone knows that I changed it to 'this error is not present on the boxart of other regions'. [[User:Synner|Synner]] 16:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Cartridge colour trivia ==

They were the fist Pokemon games without a special cartridge matching the games colour, or holofoil sticker.

I don't really know how to word it, so I'll let someone else. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, I've just noticed ''The storage media is not colored.'', so forget I wrote anything... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::Eh? My Diamond game cartridge has a holofoil sticker. Maybe I am wrong. :O --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 23:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah no wonder. I think I'm mixing the Japanese and English game cartridges. :O --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 23:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I worded it a little better. -[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 16:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

== Dark/Psychic/Fighting starter Pokémon ==

I am not completely sure, but i think this was pure speculation, so why is it mentioned on the page? If i am wrong, please link me to the official source mentioning that. [[User:Renoir|Renoir]] 12:41, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

== Box art mistake trivia? ==

[[File:Diamond EN boxart.jpg|right|thumb|It's amazing how the massive Dialga could still stand on his {{tt|right hind leg|Leftmost leg in the image, near the ESRB rating.}}, considering what his doctor did to him.]]

I just noticed as I was grabbing images for a PowerPoint presentation I'm doing for my class that there's a piece of Dialga's rear foot missing. Looks like someone fooled around with the erase tool in Photoshop a bit too much. Joking aside, does anyone think that this could be trivia? [[User:BulbaPediaAid|BulbaPedia]][[User talk:BulbaPediaAid|Aid]] 04:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's not only here. Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PokemonDiamondBox.jpg has the error] too. The Japanese boxart has their logo there. Does the erasing angle match any other angle on the art? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

== pokemon catchable chart ==

where does platinum's table of catchable monsters fit here? how does it compare? {{unsigned|Icleario}}

== The title of the page should stay the same. ==

It has been suggested that the title of this article be renamed "Pokémon Diamond and Pearl." I'm okay with the suggestion, but even though other territories don't use the word "version," North America does, so we should refer to them by their full North American names. Thank you. [[User:Crunchdog29|Crunchdog29]] ([[User talk:Crunchdog29|talk]]) 23:33, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
:I Agree. They only remove the "Version" for territories not speaking English. where i come from (Britan) They still use "Version." [[User:PearlSilver|PearlSilver]] ([[User talk:PearlSilver|talk]]) 20:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

==Change from Barry==
You should probably just refer to barry as "Friend" due to the fact that the majority of people in England or America will call him Something else. For example, i called him Lewis. Plus as Far as i remember, Barry wasn't a Pre-set Name. [[User:PearlSilver|PearlSilver]] ([[User talk:PearlSilver|talk]]) 23:42, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
:It's one of the names you can choose for him, and it's also his name in the anime as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:18, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
::Really? Barry it is then! [[User:PearlSilver|PearlSilver]] ([[User talk:PearlSilver|talk]]) 20:48, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

== Underground ==

There isn't a single link to [[The Underground]] on this page. I would have thought it deserved its own section, since it's one of the few minigames that pokemon games get. --[[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 15:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Nintendo Wifi ==

Shouldn't all the references to wifi being a feature of the game note that the service is no longer available (and therefore is no longer a feature)? --[[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 15:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:I believe so. I'd say go right ahead, but I'm not a mod. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:40, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:: I'm going to make those changes, then. --[[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 13:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

== Pokeball Seals? ==

Why aren't they mentioned here? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 16:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Generation II

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What is White City? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 02:42, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

White City is the city in Pokemon Stadium Gold/Silver. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 02:46, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. That's what you get for never really touching Stadium, eh? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 02:46, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I played it for the better part of 60 or 70 hours and didn't know what it was. ^^;

~Evan

So where does the first one take place? Indigo Plateu? {{unsigned|Zeta}}
:[[Kanto]]. [[User:C Teng|C Teng]] [[User talk:C Teng|[talk]]] 14:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== metal ==

Gee, I sure hope no ones rewrite 'metal' as MENTAL (lol) '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' 10:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

== Select button ==

How do you do to make a item be used with select button? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 16:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Go to it, press A, then click on Register. This only works on Key Items, by the way. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 16:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks. By the way, on my version it stod "SEL", but it still worked. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 16:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Starters ==

When you finish the Jhoto part and you are able to travel to Kanto you get to chose one Kanto starter? If so, I think it should be in the article, if not, then no! ;)--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:No Kanto starters, I'm afraid.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 18:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ok then, don't mind this, thank you!--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 06:00, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Accuracy ==

If a move has 100% accuracy, like Earthquake, it only hit 99.6% of the time in Generation I. Does it continue to do so in Gen II? [[User:Hotmedal|Hotmedal]] 07:50, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:[[Accuracy|Yes]]. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um. According to the page you linked, you mean “No”. --WikidSmaht 10:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Uh.... yeah.... Can't even claim I was overtired when I wrote that.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 19:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Um... Wasnt generation 2 the first to have a shiny pokemon to be in the main storyline? (its says so in the trivia section of PMD explorers of time and darkness) --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad]][[User talk:Usyflad10|10]] 05:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:Quote that trivia: "{{tt|This|PMD2}} is the second game to feature a shiny Pokémon as part of the main storyline, with the first being the {{tt|Generation II main series|the generation we are talking about}}." Umm... yup. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:: wat was it? --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad]][[User talk:Usyflad10|10]] 21:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's in the article. I suggest you look there. </discussion> —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

== Ending in 2001? ==

I don't understand, the generation did not end with the American release of Pokémon Crystal, it ending when Ruby and Sapphire were released right?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:Yes as I understand it the same applies for other Generations as well as is shown below:
::'''Generation I''' ended when Pokemon Gold/Silver were released thus starting '''Generation II'''
::'''Generation II''' ended when Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire were released thus starting '''Generation III'''
::'''Generation III''' ended when Pokemon Diamond/Pearl were released thus starting '''Generation IV'''
::'''Generation IV''' will end when Pokemon Black/White are released thus starting '''Generation V'''

Therefore one generation ends when a another set of paired games are released, Remakes don't count. [[User:Pday2387|Pday2387]] 10:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Prototype Pokemon Names ==

I was digging around my old website to find some nifty tidbits to add to Bulbapedia, and I found this page: [http://pa4.pokemonaaah.net/pokemon/4-pokemon-game-boy/08-gs-pokedex.html G/S Prototype Names] I didn't make any of this up, a lot of it actually came from Bulbagarden and PokeFor back in the day. Some of the interesting names:
* Xatu & Xoqo for Natu & Xatu, respectively
* Trillix for Misdreavus or Sneasel (the name "Misdreavus" is on the list, but given to Sneasel, while Misdreavus is named "Trillix"... [http://www.slipups.com/items/6623.html Another piece of evidence for "Trillix"]
* Duglari for Dunsparce
I wonder if some of this can appear SOMEWHERE, obviously most likely on each Pokemon's page... Whaddya think? - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 06:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== re: English-language release ==

Wikipedia says Sep 4, everything else says Oct 13, both for Australia, and both before the 15th; either one's right or both are wrong. We get pushed aside for everything as it is... [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 00:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't know where Bulbapedia got the date from, and Wikipedia is not even sourced so who knows. I can't find anything. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== Incorrect Trivia? ==

I was reading this article when I came across this:

"Generation II is the only generation where:
Each Pokémon has a different sprite in each game (except for Unown and a few others)."

This doesn't sound right to me. Gen I had different sprites for all of their Pokemon, so Gen II isn't the only gen to do this. In addition, Pokemon Crystal didn't make new sprites for the Pokemon - they picked a sprite from G/S and animated it. So I think this part should be removed. [[User:Coronation|Coronation]] 01:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
:There's also "Generation II is the only generation where the National Pokédex cannot be completed without another generation[...]," which doesn't make sense to me. I'm ''pretty'' sure you can't obtain Dialga and Palkia, Mewtwo, Deoxys, Ho-Oh and Lugia, and the Legendary Dogs (among others) in Black/White without obtaining them from a previous generation. Please correct me if I'm wrong. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']] 03:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::At the first comment in this topic: I think that means that the sprites differed between games: i.e. Silver and Gold had different sprites whereas Red and Blue shared sprites.
::The second point is correct in that the article is incorrect. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]'''

== "Two-stage, cat-like evolutionary line" ==

Should we list out the Pokémon in this category that were introduced in the other generations?
*Generation I introduced {{p|Meowth}}/{{p|Persian}}
*Generation III introduced {{p|Skitty}}/{{p|Delcatty}}
*Generation IV introduced {{p|Glameow}}/{{p|Purugly}}
*Generation V introduced {{p|Purrloin}}/{{p|Liepard}}
It just seems appropriate, especially as readers who aren't aware of this fact might want to know what the other evolutionary lines are. Also, [[Generation I]] also points out the fact that a damaging move varying in type was not introduced and lists those that were in later generations, so it'd also improve consistency. [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 03:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

You know the same thing is true with fossil pokemon there wasn't two two staged evolution pokemon nor was there any new fossil pokemon,Shouldn't this be notified somewhere in the article? {{unsigned|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP}}

:The thing is. It's already stated in there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:03, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

== Move tag request ==

If you think the article "Generation II" should be tagged for moving to a new title "Gold & Silver series", then will you please replace {{Template|Unknown name}} with [[Template:Move|<code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>move|Gold & Silver series<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>]]? [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 23:14, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pure Starter Error ==

In the first paragraph of the Thematic motifs it states that every generation except VI has had one starter with a ''pure'' type final evolution. This is true, however generation IV also failed to introduce a final form starter that retains its single typing. Both Torterra, Infernape, and Empoleon are dual type Pokemon. Gen IV should be added to this sentence.

== Thematic motif question ==

"The player must navigate Johto and Kanto, beating the new Elite Four, sixteen Gym Leaders and the original Pokémon Champion Red. This is after defeating the newly revitalized Team Rocket, searching for the fallen Giovanni. The second generation expanded upon trading through use of held items, evolution through the addition of friendship, and breeding to attain pre-evolution or baby Pokémon." "Johto is physically connected to Kanto and these games added depth to both regions."

How is this relevant to the thematic relevant to the recurring theme of the region though? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 15:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

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==Trivia==
How is this?
*Both Yancy and Curtis share their screen name with a [[Character of the day|minor character from the Pokémon anime]]. Yancy shares her screen name, Nancy, with [[Nancy|a character]] from ''[[AG095|The Evolutionary War!]]''; Curtis shares his Japanese screen name, Tenma with [[Tenma|a character]] from ''[[EP202|The Big Balloon Blow-Up]]''.
I think it's a little bit too contrived, especially since they only share either their English screen name or their Japanese screen name. Maybe it could simply be shortened to this:
*Yancy shares her screen name, [[Nancy]], with a [[Character of the day|minor character from the Pokémon anime]] from ''[[AG095|The Evolutionary War!]]''.
Either way, I think it's somewhat interesting. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 14:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

== A question. ==

Okay I know we can call her randomly in the areas that she calls us but if we can't call her? Do we have to soft/hard reset the game or just leave the place and come back? Also what's the chance of calling her in one area during one visit? Also do we have the options to call her in that particular spot? Or the whole route entirely? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 05:14, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:You have to hunt for the location that she's in after meeting her for the first time. She's in one of the 15 locations; it can be soft-reset; however, you can't "leave the place and come back" because the location is set then. As for the locations, it does not have to be the specific spot but you have to call her in that location. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 05:17, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
::In that "location" means the area around the 15 spots or the whole route? Sorry, I'v been trying to call her for an hour now and her number just doesn't turn up in the Xtransceiver :(. [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 05:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: Okay called her one time in the Nimbasa City, now I've to leave the the city and come back to call her in the same spot again or the tile is reset automatically, so I can continue hinting for the spot there? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 05:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:Say you called at Nimbasa City... unless that location shows that you can call her twice (i.e. her name is there again), you'll need to search for her in the other 14 locations. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 05:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
::No I couldn't find her after that call, so I left to another location. Anyway thanks :) [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 05:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== What is wrong? ==

Okay I completed the 51 calls and beaten the Elite Four, but she's not appearing in front of the Ferris Wheel? What is wrong? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 12:56, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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==Trivia==
How is this?
*Both Yancy and Curtis share their screen name with a [[Character of the day|minor character from the Pokémon anime]]. Yancy shares her screen name, Nancy, with [[Nancy|a character]] from ''[[AG095|The Evolutionary War!]]''; Curtis shares his Japanese screen name, Tenma with [[Tenma|a character]] from ''[[EP202|The Big Balloon Blow-Up]]''.
I think it's a little bit too contrived, especially since they only share either their English screen name or their Japanese screen name. Maybe it could simply be shortened to this:
*Yancy shares her screen name, [[Nancy]], with a [[Character of the day|minor character from the Pokémon anime]] from ''[[AG095|The Evolutionary War!]]''.
Either way, I think it's somewhat interesting. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 14:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

== A question. ==

Okay I know we can call her randomly in the areas that she calls us but if we can't call her? Do we have to soft/hard reset the game or just leave the place and come back? Also what's the chance of calling her in one area during one visit? Also do we have the options to call her in that particular spot? Or the whole route entirely? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 05:14, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:You have to hunt for the location that she's in after meeting her for the first time. She's in one of the 15 locations; it can be soft-reset; however, you can't "leave the place and come back" because the location is set then. As for the locations, it does not have to be the specific spot but you have to call her in that location. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 05:17, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
::In that "location" means the area around the 15 spots or the whole route? Sorry, I'v been trying to call her for an hour now and her number just doesn't turn up in the Xtransceiver :(. [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 05:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: Okay called her one time in the Nimbasa City, now I've to leave the the city and come back to call her in the same spot again or the tile is reset automatically, so I can continue hinting for the spot there? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 05:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:Say you called at Nimbasa City... unless that location shows that you can call her twice (i.e. her name is there again), you'll need to search for her in the other 14 locations. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 05:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
::No I couldn't find her after that call, so I left to another location. Anyway thanks :) [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 05:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== HELP!! ==

Okay I completed the 51 calls and beaten the Elite Four, but she's not appearing in front of the Ferris Wheel? What is wrong? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] ([[User talk:Flygonfanno1|talk]]) 12:56, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

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== Template? ==

This page was an excellent idea, but I wonder if there's a way to indicate in each move's article when it belongs to one of these "archetypes". --[[User:Johans|Johans Nidorino]] 21:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I suggested it but it was forgotten later on; and unfortunately, I don't know how to make templates. -([[User:Llxwarbirdxll|Llxwarbirdxll]] 02:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC))
:Template namespace. I'll whip one up. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe this is not the right place to suggest, but take a look at the template (Flamethrower as an example):
{| align="center" class="toccolours" cellspacing="2" style="border: 3px solid #88a; border-radius:20px; -moz-border-radius:20px;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background: #ccf; border: border-radius:20px; -moz-border-radius:20px; padding: 2px 15px;" | [[Move variations|Variations]] of the move {{m|Flamethrower}}
|- style="font-size:90%;" align="center"
| {{ic|Special}}
| {{mcolor|Flamethrower|{{fire color}}}} | {{mcolor|Ice Beam|{{ice color dark}}}} | {{mcolor|Slime Wave|{{poison color dark}}}} | {{mcolor|Thunderbolt|{{electric color dark}}}}
|}
<noinclude>[[Category:Move navigation templates]]</noinclude>
::Flamethrower mentioned twice, while there is no actual link to ''Variations of Flamethrower''. I believe it will be better this way:

{| align="center" class="toccolours" cellspacing="2" style="border: 3px solid #88a; border-radius:20px; -moz-border-radius:20px;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background: #ccf; border: border-radius:20px; -moz-border-radius:20px; padding: 2px 15px;" | [[Move_variations#Variations_of_Flamethrower|Variations of the move Flamethrower]]:
|- style="font-size:90%;" align="center"
| {{ic|Special}}
| {{mcolor|Flamethrower|{{fire color}}}} | {{mcolor|Ice Beam|{{ice color dark}}}} | {{mcolor|Slime Wave|{{poison color dark}}}} | {{mcolor|Thunderbolt|{{electric color dark}}}}
|}
<noinclude>[[Category:Move navigation templates]]</noinclude>
::--[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 11:09, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree. It does make more sense that way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== New Variation ==

There neeeds to be a Move Variation for the Following moves:
* {{m|Psybeam}}
* {{m|Bubblebeam}}
* {{m|Aurora Beam}}
* {{m|Sludge}}
* {{m|Spark}}
I have checked them all out and they each have:
* Power: 65
* Accuracy: 100%
* PP: 20
P.S. I don't know how to do this myself so really I'm asking for somebody to do this for me!
[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 16:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not sure if this should be counted as they each have a different added effect, either a [[status ailment]] or a [[stat]] change. Somebody gie me their:view...[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 20:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe keep the status-changing ones together, and keep the stat-changing ones together, but keep them separate. That means {{m|Psybeam}}, {{m|Sludge}}, and {{m|Spark}} go together, and {{m|BubbleBeam}} and {{m|Aurora Beam}} go together.
:And don't forget to use the {{template|m}} template for moves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
By the way, I think you've got the wrong idea. I'm not sure on how to create the move variation. I only realised they were similar... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 15:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== "Or" ==

Is "10 or 15" valid [[Move variations#Variations of Shadow Ball|here]]? I'd say the use of every possible move variation no matter the amount of PPs it has would require a redefinition. BTW, {{m|Ice Beam}} and {{m|Thunder}} don't belong in the tables they've been introduced in if following the original criterion. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 05:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I put those there. I'll have them removed. [[User:Llxwarbirdxll|Llxwarbirdxll]] 08:20, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:LOL, now somebody else did the same with variations of Slash, Waterfall, and Shadow Ball :P --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

People are no longer respecting the "PPs" part of the definition. With "Variations of Flamethrower" the article mentions neither 15 nor 10 now. If this is going to continue, maybe Bulbapedia's definition on "move variations" should no longer include PPs, which seems to be the least important of the three columns. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 18:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== Seismic Toss and Night Shade? ==

Those belong on the list, right?
[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 20:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Doesn't {{m|Night Shade}} do somewhere from 1 to 1.5x the level? I know {{m|Seismic Toss}} does the level. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
::No, Psywave does from 0.5 to 1.5x the level. But Night Shade always does damage equal to the level. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 23:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Still, they don't have the same amout of default total PPs. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 01:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::They're stretching it nowadays though. Hmm...{{m|Zap Cannon}} and {{m|Dynamicpunch}}... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm sure {{m|Stone Edge}} and {{m|Cross Chop}} are variations. [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely ^_^ --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

==Stub?==
Is it Still a stub?--[[User:Torchic-ken|Torchic-ken]] 2:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, there's a few missing bits. [[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 00:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Mean Look/Block/Spider Web? ==

I noticed there isn't a section for these three moves, and while Block and Mean Look fit a "5 PP, Prevents foe from escaping" description, Spider Web only has one thing setting them apart and that's the PP issue. Should I add it anyway? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] 01:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Add only Mean Look and Block. That's what has been done in these cases to agree with the current definition of "move archetypes". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 08:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Counter and Mirror Coat? ==

I'm really surprised no one did this - they both have 10PP, varying power, 100% accuracy and they both go last and counter the foe's attack at two times the power. I was trying to find a good way to summarize it though - how's this? "Goes last and counters the move used by the foe at twice the power". [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
:That works. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

== Softboiled and Milk Drink ==

Even though they're listed under variations of Recover.. they both can do something Recover can not -- heal other Pokémon's HP outside of battle. I think this deserves a mention. :P [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== Contests? ==

I think it would be incredibly useful to have a version of this page for contests, since many of the moves do the exact same things.
Thoughts...? [[User:Maki|Maki]] 13:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. However it'd have to be set up differently. It'd be like... effect, cute moves, beauty moves, smart moves, tough moves, cool moves. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

== Blizzard ==

Are Magma Storm and Focus Blast ''really'' variations of Blizzard? Neither inflict a status ailment and Magma Storm sounds more like a multi-turn move. The only similarities seem to be 120 power

Also, I think Thunder should be added as a variation. It has 10 PP, not 5, but it causes a status ailment, has 120 power and 70 accuracy. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 20:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:Thunder and Blizzard also have their accuracy at 100% when used during a specific weather condition. Magma Storm seems most like Outrage, though that goes 2-3 turns, and Focus Blast is just... its own thing. Not ''every'' move has a counterpart, that's what people need to remember. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::That's what I mean, a lot of the moves I mentioned, as well as Hydro Pump, Seed Flare and Fire Blast are all ''similar'', but variations of each other? I'd say they're similar moves, but not direct variations. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 20:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes. Variations: Do the same thing. Similarity: have the same PP, power, or accuracy but don't do the same thing. Outrage and Thrash are variations, despite Outrage now being 120 power. Focus Blast and Blizzard are not because all they share is accuracy and power. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 21:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::So, should we move some of the moves I mentioned around? That's what I've been suggesting. I think Magma Storm should be grouped with Outrage and Thrash, and Blizzard, Thunder and Gunk Shot should be in a group. Maybe Seed Flare and Focus Blast too, their effects are identical except for accuracy. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 00:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

==Order==
Why aren't they in alphabetical order? {{u|MathijsP}}
:Beats me. Last time I organized them I put them in order by damage. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

==Dragon Claw, X-Scissor, Seed Bomb==

Aren't these all variations? They all do 80 damage, have 15 PP, and no added effect. Can I add them? --[[User:Dark Sage|Dark Sage]] 18:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:You forget to mention the accuracy, but it happens that it's the same! So yeah, they're move variations. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 18:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Great. I guess I'll add them now. --[[User:Dark Sage|Dark Sage]] 18:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think I know how to do the template. Can someone else do that? --[[User:Dark Sage|Dark Sage]] 18:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I got them. :) --[[User:Dark Sage|Dark Sage]] 21:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

==Ice Beam?==

Ice Beam has only 10 PP, yet it's claimed to be a variation of Flamethrower and Thunderbolt, which have 15 PP. Can I remove that? --[[User:Dark Sage|Dark Sage]] 21:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Ice Beam is the most useful of all three, but is still the same. Same power, accuracy and rate to inflict a status problem. Part of Ice Beam may be the fact frozen Pokémon are helpless. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 21:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Ice Beam is one of the more visible move variations in normal gameplay. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah. I see. OK. --[[User:Dark Sage|Dark Sage]] 00:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Air Slash? ==

I wonder if, shouldnt Air Slash be in the "variations of Slash" since it IS a Slash move after all? o: what do you people think? I havn't really looked up the PP, accuracy and power, but its very similar to Night Slash and Slash. :c--[[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 17:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Slash and Night Slash have high critical-hit ratios, Air Slash may cause the opponent to flinch. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, ok thanks. --[[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 18:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Pound <-> Gust? ==

Gust isn't a variation of Pound, is it? - [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 00:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yes it is. 35 PP, 40 power, 100% accuracy–yup, variation. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 23:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Arm Thrust ==

I read that the accuracy of Arm Thrust was 100 percent, but it was under the variations of Barrage, saying that its accuracy was 85 percent. Is its accuracy 85 or 100, cuz I don't wanna do an edit with wrong info.---[[User:Hitmonchan90|Hitmonchan90]] 23:07, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==Bulk Up and Calm Mind?==

They both have 20 PP, and raise Attack and Defense/Special Attack and Special Defense one stage, respectively. Variants? All signs point to yes. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:Yep, variations. Added. --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 21:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Reorganised ==

Since the moves were looking kinda messy, since the order was somewhat random, I went and moved the sections around to order it A-Z. Exceptions being Elemental X and the OHKO moves as they are listed differently. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 17:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe the order was by Base Power of the attacks. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sections for both {{m|Tail Glow}} AND {{m|Agility}}? ==

I've noticed that there are two sections that both share similar attributes, both sections detail moves that have 20 PP but increase a stat two stages, however, One details just Special attack raisers while the other details the other ones.

Should there be two or should they be put together? [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:I was thinking the same thing, but then I found out that all the listed variations of Agility (including Agility itself) have ''30'' PP, and that Tail Glow and {{m|Nasty Plot}} have ''20'' PP. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 00:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Agility has 30 PP.Otherwise, I would say yes--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]

I just noticed that now as well ^^; [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Crabhammer ==

Both Crabhammer and Blaze Kick ''used'' to be signature moves. Should this be noted? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 21:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think it should. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 21:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== Lock-On/Mind Reader ==

How about them? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
:I remember them having the exactly same effect, so if my memory serves me right, they could be added. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 23:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::How about {{m|Whirlwind}} and {{m|Roar}}? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== {{m|Spikes}} / {{m|Toxic Spikes}} ==

Should these be parterned up?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 16:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:Don't forget about {{m|Stealth Rock}}, too. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 16:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== This page needs work ==

First of all, should PP be accounted for or not? Right now, some do and some don't. I don't really care which one we go with, so long as it's consistent.

Second, effects are not being grouped together consistently either. Example: Spark has a 30% chance of inducing Paralyze. Psybeam has a 10% chance of inducing Confusion. 30 != 10. Another example: Flamethrower has a 10% chance of inducing Burn. Surf has 0% chance of inducing anything at all, and has a different target range on top of that. Also, the diffence between "Acid Armor variations" and "Amnesia variations"? Ignoring the PP difference (the Acid Armor variations already do this anyway), who really cares if they raise Special stats or not? You could just as easily group them by Defense or Attack stats. On the other hand, I say just go with "raises a stat by two stages" and leave it at that.

Third, I do not think "non-[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/volatile volatile]" means what you think it means. Why not just put "non-damaging effect" or something else a bit more clear and grammatically correct? [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 04:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

:I never thought PP should be accounted for. A lot of the moves might have the same PP but if all the important other stuff is the same, the moves are pretty much variations! [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 05:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thief and Covet will never be counted as variations if taking PP into account. --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 15:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:And that's the sad thing, they're pretty much the same kind of item-stealing damaging move. PP is a moot point! [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 00:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

::If there's only one thing different about a move variation, it can still be considered a variation. For example, {{m|Surf}} is one of the {{m|Flamethrower}} variations, because it has the same power, PP, and accuracy. The only thing different is the effect. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 00:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually, you could argue that Surf is a variation of Earthquake, since they have the same range and the same effect (none). Surf has more PP and less power, but it also has two things different from Flamethrower: range and effect. See? You can't just go "Oh they're close ENOUGH", you have to pick your criteria and stick with it. Either effect counts or it doesn't count. Either range counts or it doesn't count. Either PP counts or it doesn't count. If you start flubbing things, that's only going to make things more complicated down the line. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 03:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Earthquake has the anti-{{m|Dig}} effect. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 02:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Good point, that's another thing they have in common, since Surf can hit during Dive too. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 03:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't think there needs to be a set of rigid rules for move variations. By definition, variation implies differing conditions, character, and degree. That said, I do think that a move variations should have identical or ''very'' similar effects. PP and base power are relatively unimportant to me, when two moves have unique identical effects. Consider Bind, Fire Spin, and Whirlpool: they are all multi-turn attacks that trap their foe. They work exactly the same, and have relatively unique effects (only a handful of moves work like this). However, Bulbapedia currently only considers Fire Spin and Whirlpool as "variations". — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 03:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that trapping should have its own page. It's not as if the creators sat around and thought, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool to have a clone of this move for that element?" I think the process was more like, "Hey, why not have this as a mechanic?" --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Minor problem with that though. Ember, Flamethrower and Fire Blast (and probably others but those are the big ones) all have a 10% chance of causing burn. Moreover, they're all Fire attacks. If we go solely by effect, then that makes them variations of each other. So then we have moves that are multiple variations in one. Is that really ok? I mean, I can see it going either way...

:::::One possibility is to split it into two things, where there are moves that are strictly exact copies of each other minus type and specific effect (not % chance of effect though, that has to say the same), and then other moves that just do the same thing but are not exact copies. Like, if I want to look for moves that cause Burn, there could be a category that I could go to and look there, and likewise for moves that cause trapping, or moves that hit everyone on the field. Does that sound reasonable? [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 01:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::I'm not talking about secondary effects like 10% of burn or confusion. I agree that there should be a [[list of moves that burn]] (not a category, unfortunately), but I don't think they should be considered variations. In my mind, examples of move variations are moves that have some unique game mechanic, such as {{m|Wrap|multi-turn}} {{m|Magma Storm|trapping}} {{m|Sand Tomb|moves}}, {{m|Fly|moves with}} {{m|Dig|an initial}} {{m|Shadow Force|invulnerable}} {{m|Dive|turn}}, {{m|Block|moves that}} {{m|Spider Web|prevent}} {{m|Mean Look|escape}}, or {{m|Protect|moves that can negate}} {{m|Detect|all negative effects}}—Moves that work so similarly that there are, for example, abilities that negate the set of them or moves that counter-act a set of them. These should be considered move variations. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 01:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Starting tabs over.

I've always considered anything that does not cause damage on an otherwise damaging move to be a secondary effect so I think we are going to differ in thought there, unfortunately. Example: Razor Wind requires charging, has a high crit rate and deals damage, so the charging and high crit rate are both secondary effects. Screech causes only Defense down, so Defense down is the primary effect.

Taking each thing in turn, I don't think that just because Wrap and Magma Storm both cause multi-turn trapping is enough for them to be considered variations. They ought to have a page specifying this, but this does not make them variations, in the same way as Ember and Flamethrower. Ditto with with the semi-invulnerable moves. They are different enough (note which moves can hit which during the invulnerable turn, not to mention Power) to warrant an obviously acknowledged ''similarity'' but not actual variations.

As for your last two examples, those moves DO essentially do the exact same thing in every way, with the exception of PP, so I think, if we decide to exclude PP from the criteria (which I am fairly convinced we ought to do by now), then yes, I would consider those move variations.

(Somewhat off-topic, why not a category instead of a page? Then there would be links from the moves pages themselves, so they can actually be found... The Pokédex has tons of categories, I've noticed...) [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 02:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:Also, {{m|Mud-Slap}} and {{m|Sand-Attack}} are both Ground moves with a 100% chance of lowering Accuracy, and this can be prevented by abilities such as {{a|Keen Eye}}, but they're still clearly not variations of each other, right? (Asking because I consider Wrap and Bind and the like to be moves with 100% chance of causing trapping) [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 02:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
::Why aren't Wrap and Magma Storm variations? They have the same primary effects (inflict damage over several turns at the end of each turn) and secondary effects (trap target during those turns). (Though there's no official source ordering those as primary and secondary; they could just as easily be reversed.) I realize that Ember and Flamethrower also have the same primary and secondary effects, but another issue I pointed out above is ''unique game-mechanics''. There are a hundred moves that have the same primary effect as Ember and Flamethrower (inflict damage) and very similar secondary effects (10% of a major status ailment). However, there are only 5 moves that work like Wrap and Magma Storm. I think that makes them remarkable enough to be noted as move variations.
::Since the definition of variation means details can vary. That means we could consider numerous damaging moves to be variations of each other. But I don't think it's notable if they don't have something that sets them apart from other moves.
::(As for the category thing, I don't know for sure, but the tons of categories issue might be the reason they didn't want even more categories for each detail.) — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 02:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:::It seems to me like what you want would be better expressed in a different page, like "Moves that cause the same unique effects" ...Okay, "same unique" is a bit oxymoronic, but you know what I mean. ^^;

:::The reason I chose Mud-Slap and Sand-Attack as examples is because they ARE unique, in that Accuracy is not a standard stat, and there are only 5 moves that lower accuracy (and none that raise it, I think): Mud-Slap, Sand-Attack, {{m|Flash}}, {{m|Mirror Shot}}, and {{m|Muddy Water}}, but these are clearly not similar in any other way but that. (Asides from Flash and Sand-Attack, I would consider those variations of the other, with Gen IV's de-nerfing of Flash.) This page seems to have been created to illustrate which moves have only minor differences, with Power, Accuracy and % effect and PP cited specifically as things that must be the same. No matter which way you cut it, the only thing Wrap and Magma Storm have in common is their secondary multi-turn trapping effect, and I consider multi-turn trapping damage to be a single secondary effect (You are never going to have one of those moves inflict one without the other). Primary effect defaults to damage except for moves that do not ever deal damage. The game even categorizes them as Physical [[Image:PhysicalIC.gif]] and Special [[Image:SpecialIC.gif]], not Status [[Image:StatusIC.gif]]. You can cite their uniqueness, but there are only so many moves that do unique, specific things, like Burn, or charge, or high-crit, but then you'll end up with almost every move out there having at least one if not multiple variations. If you want to get really unique, {{m|Flame Wheel}} and {{m|Sacred Fire}} are the only moves that can thaw out their user. That makes them variations according to your definition, but they have nothing in common according to the definition already defined on this page. I think this all does deserve to be noted somewhere, but I don't think this is the right place, is what I'm trying to say. ._.; [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 04:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

::::I am aware that calling certain moves variations of each other would go against the narrow definition of move variations already defined by this page, but I think it is incorrect. I give up though, so I'll just continue ignoring it. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 04:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect? Detect? ==

Aren't they variations of each other? --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 08:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:Someone should go down this whole talk page and just do it. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::Phred: They have the same effect, it looks like, but Detect has half of Protect's PP, so no, not according to our definition.
::Raijinili: What? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Although there are moves that say "10 or 15 pp" or something similar, so maybe... --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I think a difference in PP is a poor reason not to consider two moves as variations of each other. They obviously have the same effect. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 08:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::To the point where the two moves share the same success rate. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 23:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Rock Slide and Air Slash ==
Both have 75 BP, 30% Chance of Flinch, and 95(?) Accuraccy. I think that makes them variations on the same move.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 16:01, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Thief and Covet ==

The only item-stealing damaging moves, with same power and accuracy, are yet to be covered here. I dropped a line earlier in hopes of the issue being picked up by more people, but it failed, my mistake. So I chose to be more direct in approach and now I ask, if other moves have ignored PP in favor of more relevant traits, shouldn't these two be listed as variations? I think there even used to be a template for both, but it got deleted. --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 16:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{m|Glare}} and {{m|Stun Spore}} ==

Same effect, PP, accuracy and power (or the lack of it), varies on type only . These are variations, so I'll add them, but I don't know how to put the template on the move pages... {{u|Mr. Charlie}} 22:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== Strength as first in a variation ==

I've realized that Dragon Claw and the others are exactly like Strength but in type, so i've changed that, and made Strength as the first in the variation. This is my first edit, i hope it's all-right, I don't know if the move wasn't in there because it is a HM.

--[[User:PokeTech|PokeTech]] 12:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
:Kudos for effort there. But yeah, we don't include HMs so it'll have to go back to how it was. Sorry. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
::''we don't include HMs'' Doesn't explain Waterfall, and no, "it wasn't a HM originally" doesn't seem like a good rationale to me. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, I hadn't realized this at the time, but the variations of Waterfall have the flinching effect. And I see what you mean when you say that about not explaining it well. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

== Weather Moves ==

Aren't the weather moves variations of each other? Or at least Rain Dance/Sunny Day and Snadstorm/Hail? I mean, they all change to a weather for five turns. [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 18:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:I guess you could consider them variations of each other, but I've never really thought of them like that. I'd wait to add it untill more people agree or disagree. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::They all change weather but their effects are different. Well, indirectly. — [[User:Tenno Seremel|Tenno Seremel]] 21:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::That's the thing... I don't know if it should be added or not... they're like the elemental punches (damage + chance of status problem), because they change the weather condition during the battle and have a side effect... [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Go for it. Sunny Day, Rain Dance and Hail are all exactly the same (IIRC) and Sandstorm has 5 more PP. I'm not sure whether that matters, coz you guys had a huge argument about that... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Should I add it as "Variations of *insert weather move*" or as "Weather Conditions/Moves"? I'll add it anyways, but should it need to have the title changed I'll do that. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Or should it be, like the original question, Rain Dance/Sunny Day and Sandstorm/Hail? Eh, I'll put it all together for now and it can be changed later.... [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Powders and Flattering ==

How come that {{m|PoisonPowder}}, {{m|Sleep Powder}} and {{m|Stun Spore}} aren't move variations? They have the same accuracy, animation, the same Contest appeal and Pokémon learn them around the same time, it kind of makes sense that they are. 
Also {{m|Flatter}} and {{m|Swagger}} are variations as they both confuse but Swagger ups attack and Flatter ups Special Attack, I'm not sure how to add them lmao, I thought I should say it here first though ;) --[[User:Ripp145|Ripp145]] 12:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Apparently, Flatter only raises Special Attack one stage, while Swagger raises Attack by two stages. Also, both have different accuracy. Too many differences to qualify. --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 02:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::The powders aren't considered variations yet?! ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::If we're discussing variations to add, I have a couple suggestions.
:Arm Thrust as a variation of Barrage
:Bind and Wrap as variations of Fire Spin
:Dark Pulse as variation of Zen Headbutt
:Fire Blast and Megahorn as variations of Blizzard
::With all these variations, they share identical effects, power and PP. The only difference between the suggested moves and the established moves is that accuracy is a tiny bit higher or lower. Also, some of the moves listed as variations don't qualify but are listed anyway. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, I made a change that in hindsight I'm unsure of. In Gen 3, Leaf Blade fit the requirements to be considered a variation of Slash - 70 power, 15 pp, 100% accuracy, high chance for critical. But in Gen 4 it's power is 90, and it has its own variation now, Attack Order. So....what do we do? IMO, it should be considered variations of both, depending on the Generation. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 04:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Yeah, no. The Barrage variations all have the same power and accuracy, Arm Thrust only has the same power. Fire Blast and Megahorn are different than Blizzard for a lot of things: Fire Blast has more accuracy, Megahorn has more accuracy, Megahorn has no secondary effect. Dark Pulse has more accuracy than Zen Headbutt. Bind, Wrap, and Fire Spin all have differnt accuracies. There's more to this page than just "Oh, it looks similar or has similar accuracy/PP/Power/type!" There's reasons that most of these aren't on there. The ones that don't seem like they fit are included because they either were the same, or are now the same. And Leaf Blade doesn't count, because it's already in a category that's more specific. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Why does Leaf Blade not count? It fit all the requirements before it's power was changed, if it doesn't count than neither does Zap Cannon as a variation of Dynamic Punch. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 20:26, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:And like I said, there's already moves listed as variations that don't fit the requirements to count, or the requirements are flexible like "move does X or Y". [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 20:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:I went through the list, here's some examples of the above:
::Blizzard's requirements are "5 or 10 PP", because otherwise Thunder wouldn't qualify. Also, Focus Blast doesn't qualify because it doesn't cause a status ailment
::Zap Cannon is listed as a variation of Dynamic Punch, but it has different power.
::Seed Flare is listed as a variation of Fire Blast, but it doesn't cause a status ailment.
::Surf is listed as a variation of Flamethrower but doesn't cause a status, and it says so right on the page
::Giga Drain's requirements again, "5 or 10 PP".
:I'm just saying, why are exceptions made for some moves to count them as variations, and not others? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 20:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::PP is the only exception we make for differences. Zap Cannon and DynamicPunch are different than Leaf Blade. Did you even bother READING what I said about Leaf Blade other than that it doesn't count? It's in a category that's much more specific. It's with [[Template:Leaf Blade|Attack Order]]. Seed Flare and Fire Blast have the same power and accuracy, and both can have a secondary effect. As for Surf, I've always wondered that. I'll take that out of the template and this page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes I did read it, and I asked why Leaf Blade counts for Attack Order over Slash, when at times it has fulfilled the requirements to be a variation of both. And in that case, I'll assume Focus Blast gets the same exception as Seed Flare does. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Moves can't be in more than one category, which is why Leaf Blade is with Attack Order, since they match exactly except for type. And you're still missing what I've been saying. If they have different accuracies, they don't match. Focus Blast has 70%, and Seed Flare has 85%. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I am paying attention to what you're saying. Now pay attention to what I'm saying. Focus Blast does not cause a status ailment as the other variations do, and Seed Flare doesn't either. Zap Cannon and Focus Blast have different powers. So why are they listed? And again, ''Leaf Blade can count as a variation of both Slash and Attack Order'', so why do we count one over the other? Why are some exceptions made and not others? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:No, I don't think you are. Focus Blast has a ''secondary effect'' like the others do, it's not limited to status or stat changes. As for Zap Cannon and Focus Blast, I just realized that yeah, it shouldn't be there. I'll change that too. If we put Leaf Blade in the Slash variations, then there wouldn't be one for Attack Order. And yeah, Leaf Blade ''used'' to be in both categories. It's not anymore. It has more power than Slash. The only ones that I can find that have different powers as of Gen IV are the Petal Dance variations. I'll see what I can do about that too. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::That would be nice. I'm not trying to cause trouble or anything, and I'm sorry for arguing with you. I'm just noticing a double-standard in regards to the variations of some moves and want them sorted out one way or the other. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 22:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't mind. Arguments need to be more than just "I'm right, you're wrong!" and stupid things like that, and thankfully this wasn't one of those times. This article has also had some issues with getting things like that straight, so glad you said something or it would have stayed that way. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::::No problem. I admit I'm biased though, when I think of move variations I'm not as tight in my requirements as this page. I still feel like Hydro Pump ought to be a variation of something, but it doesn't fit any profiles here. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 22:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== Lock-On and Mind Reader ==

Why aren't they here? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== Swapping moves ==

Heart Swap (maybe), Power Swap, and Guard Swap. All Psychic-type, 10 PP, Status. What do you think? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 00:52, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Support. Don't forget {{m|Skill Swap}}! [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 02:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
::That's ability though... also, what you did is a redirect. Learn... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:20, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Still a Psychic-type, 10 PP, Status. As for redirect, so? It's a talk page. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 02:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Argh... no... may as well say EVERY single status move. It doesn't matter typing as long as it's related. As for redirect, this still applies... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::No, not "every" status move. I see four moves with "Swap" in their names all of which involve switching some sort of statistic with the opponent. What's the problem? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::Never mind. We'll keep it as that then. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:08, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

So we're adding them? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Screech Variations ==

Couldn't Cotton Spore be a Screech Variation? It's not a sound move, but it does lower one target's speed by two levels and has the same PP and Accuracy. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 04:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

== {{m|Karate Chop}} and {{m|Poison Tail}} ==
25 PP, 50 power, 100 Accuracy, high critical-hit ratios. What do you think? Also, would this need a new template to stick on the bottom of the move pages? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 05:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:Creating and adding. Any other moves that could go on this template? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think so, I looked at the other Critical Hit moves, none fit the definition. {{m|Air Cutter}} is close but its not exact. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 15:05, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright. Just wanted to make sure nothing needed to be added. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

== Counter Moves ==

Hey, i'm a fan of the counter moves and i've noticed something, why isn't Metal Burst counted as a variation? I've used Mirror Coat and Counter with Glaceon and Hitmonchan respectively and Metal Burst does the effects of '''both''' Mirror Coat and Counter. [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 12:51, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:Because they aren't very close. If the effect has something different (such as Metal Burst has both, while Mirror Coat and Counter only have one), it isn't a variation. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::Counter specifically only repays physical damage double what was taken, and Mirror Coat specifically only repays special damage double what was taken. Metal Burst repays 1.5 damage, or what was taken plus half of that amount. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

== Kisses ==

{{m|Lovely Kiss}} and {{m|Sweet Kiss}}

Same accuracy, same PP. First cause sleep, second - confusion. Aren't move variations? --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 15:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== Tackle and Peck together? ==

{{m|Tackle}} and {{m|Peck}}

The two moves are in a grouping together, but I believe they should not be. They share the Base Power of 35, but while Tackle is 95% accurate, and it mistakenly says Peck to be, Peck is 100% accurate. -- [[User:Mattman324]] 22:58:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Peck and Tackle aren't variations. Especially in generation V, where Tackle received a BP of 50. Myself, I would put Peck with Vine Whip, because they both have 35 BP, 100% accuracy and no special effect. Their PP, however, differs significantly, but does that really matter? (see below) --[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 15:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Signal Beam ==

I know it seems weird, but {{m|Signal Beam}} is kinda of a variation of the elemental punches... 75 power, 100 acc, 15 PP and 10% of causing status. It breaks the "tradition", so to speak, but it fits more than many of the other variations here. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 23:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

==This page needs COLOR!==
Seriously, it looks really dull, which is especially bad seeing as it's pretty much all tables. One of the coding wizards here should try to make a template that incorporates colors for the type of each variation and whether they are physical, special, or a status move. For status moves, color them differently based on which stat they change or status effect they inflict—whatever it takes to make this dull-looking article into an attractive resource. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:I was just thinking of that myself, then I thought something like this would be perfect. But, you know, with colors for generations and stuff. I'm not a coding guy, I just throw the ideas. I don't mind working on the entire page, if needed, but I really don't know how. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 12:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
{| align="center" style="background: #ddf; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #ccf;"
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{| border=1 width="100%" align="center" class="sortable" style="background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #ddf; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #ddf;"
! {{color2|000000|Move}}
! {{color2|000000|Elemental types|Type}}
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That looks good. You can probably lose the class="sortable" since the tables are all small. And make sure you use the region colors for the generation. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah... The "how" with the generation/region colors is my issue here. Could you, or anyone, show me how to do it? Really not my area of expertise. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 21:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::How's this Edit: link removed for a quick mock-up? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:40, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I likey. Let's use it. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, but don't forget that it will take longer to load this page.--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 15:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== PP ==

In the article it says that moves need to have the same PP to be variations, but throughout the article it lists moves of differing PP as variations. Should they be removed? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I would think so. You can't have the article contradict itself, can you? <code>;)</code> [[User:The Exterminator|The Exterminator]] 17:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:I agree, for my edit and talk page reasons. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 00:52, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::An article indeed shouldn't contradict itself. That's why the definition itself needs to be altered. --[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 16:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Definition ==

The definition isn't specific enough. "Move variations are moves that are identical to each other in terms of damage, PP, and accuracy, but have different elemental types, damage categories, or secondary effects." The definition works for damaging moves but according to it almost all status moves that have the same PP are variations of each other. So I'm thinking maybe the article needs a different definition for status moves? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:How about something like, Status move variations are moves that raise or decrease the same number of stats by the same number of levels. It makes more sense because that way moves like Iron Defense will be a variant of Acid Armor, instead of the current description which makes Baton Pass a variant of Acid Armor. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 13:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::This is what the definition should be: "Move varations are moves that are identical in terms of dammage and accuracy, and have similar secondary effects." --[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 16:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Thrash, Petal Dance, and Outrage ==

Here's my question. Thrash and Petal Dance are grouped together, but Outrage is not included only because is has 15 PP instead of 10. This difference seems minor to me, and so I think Outrage should be insluded in this group, with a note on it. If this doesn't work, then it doesn't work, but I know for a fact that most people focos on the actual move and its effects, not the PP it has. There are even people in this talk (although from 2 years ago lol) that group them together, and I know that most people think they are the same move with different types, especially now that they have the same power in Gen V. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 23:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
:I know that we don't want the article to contradict itself in this regard, but I think that these three moves are so similar that this could be the exception to the rule. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 23:23, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
::Outrage should be included. Reason: see below.--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 15:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== PP shouldn't be taken into account ==

Taking the PP into account makes the list messier and more incomplete. They are also not the most important aspect anyway ingame: it doesn't really matter if a move has 35 PP or 40 PP. Seperating Night Slash from Slash, for example, causes an unnecesary amount of slots.--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 15:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree 100%. PP is such a minor detail, it shouldn't even matter. The important thing is base power, similar or identical side effects, and accuracy. Any move that only serves to boost a stat by two stages is a variation of Acid Armor. Well, I'm not entirely sure on Body Purge, given its other effect of halving the user's weight, but still. My point is, PP shouldn't be taken into account. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::I agree too. IMO, the amount of PP is more minor than {{tt|Damage Category|although it shouldn't be included}}.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I also agree, it doesn't make sense that something like acid armor isn't a variant of iron defense. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::OK, so if the majority think that PP shouldn't count, we can put it back how it was. I changed it because it seemed that people wanted PP to count. I think it should be considered at least under some circumstances. I will stop changing the templates for move variations until the issue is resolved.
::::Also, it did not create an excessive amount of categories—several were deleted and several were made, balancing out. And PP is much more influential the damage categories. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Ok, it's maybe better to wait until there aren't any issues about that anymore. You can always watch the version regardless of PP (where I was responsible for) at this URL: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Move_variations&oldid=1253819--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 19:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::After discussing it with a couple of other admins, we decided that the PP does not have to be the same, but it should be similar. i.e. it should differ by five or less. More than that is an indication that the moves aren't especially similar. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

==Different catagories==

I have seperated the status moves from the other moves. The sharply-stat raising moves (besides those of 15PP) are now next to each other.--[[User:Grrgrrgrr1000|Grrgrrgrr1000]] 16:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== Haze & Mist ==

Can someone add Haze & Mist to the list (they are counterparts)?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 08:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Shadow Ball/Crunch as variations of Waterfall ==

I added them to variations of waterfall and changed the definition of waterfall so that they both fit. But since all previous variations caused flinching, and the two I added lower defense /sp. def should they be considered two different moveset variations? Also, the templates under shadow ball and crunch I left as they are because I have no idea how to do it, or if even they are in fact variations of waterfall. Thanks...

== Extreme Speed and Sucker Punch ==
{{m|Extremespeed}} now has +2 priority instead of +1. So, isn't it not a variation of {{m|Sucker Punch}} anymore? Also Sucker Punch work in different way, so this moves seems even less likely to be variations. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 09:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

== Elemental Surfs? ==

Discharge is like surf, affecting all opponents. Also a poison move.

Also Poison Fang should be with the fangs.[[User:Tesseract|Tesseract]] 08:53, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:Discharge does not have the same base power as Surf. Therefore, not a variant. Poison Fang also does not have the same base power as the other fangs. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Order of Oath Moves Doesn't Matter ==

Hasn't it been confirmed that the Oath moves can be used in any order to produce the same effect? Each individual page should be updated accordingly. (I figured I'd say this here instead of repeating myself on each individual page. This page (Move Variations) seems correct, but the individual pages are not.) [[User:Grei|Grei]] 18:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== Ignore base power differences, if the rest of the move is similar? ==

There may be one or two other examples of this, but the main one I'm thinking about is Zap Cannon in relation to DynamicPunch and Purgatory. Just because the base power of Zap was increased to 120 shouldn't disqualify it from being a variation of the other two moves, because they all have the same, and probably more important and notable properties of 50% accuracy and the guaranteed infliction of a status ailment (type/ability permitting).

Also, as an aside, why disqualify Surf from being similar to Tbolt, Flamer, Ice Beam and Slime Wave? It's also the Base 95, fully accurate move of it's type... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 02:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:{{m|Surf}} hit all opponents in double battles, while {{m|Ice Beam}} can freeze, {{m|Flamethrower}} inflict burn and so on, there is the difference. It's noted that {{m|Zap Cannon}} '''was''' a variation. Is there any other moves, which are similar except for base power really? --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 09:36, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
::Still though, it does mean that they all have a secondary effect, simply because one of those effects does not actually inflict a status ailment shouldn't be enough to disqualify it from being considered a move variation, when in that case, the real important points to note of those moves are that they are the Base 95 move of their type.
::While Zap is currently being taken as a ''former'' variation, that's simply because of the change in Base Power - but in the case of their group, the most notable feature of them is their 50% accuracy and the infliction of the status ailment. Just because one of them was upgraded (for some unknown reason) really shouldn't be enough to disqualify it. I'm not sure of any other cases where this could apply - Leaf Blade's base power increase was a different thing, because the other aspects of the group probably weren't as notable since it was just the "high crit rate" factor. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 22:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Moves with different base powers and accuracies really aren't variations. PP is less of a concern, as it does not affect how the move functions (except {{m|Trump Card}}, where a variation would require identical PP). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:51, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Psycho Shock ==

Psycho Shock and Sword of Mystery (Keldeo's signature move).
special attack, 100% accurancy, 10 PP ,damage based on user's sp. attack and target's defence, but shock has 80 base power and sword has 85. --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 18:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:If you're going to even think of these as variations, why not Psycho Break? [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 18:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::Right, i forgot that one, thanks --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 18:53, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

== Worry Seed ==

and Simple Beam.

Yes? No?
[[User:PH1RESTRIKE| |>|-|1|23 ]][[Special:contributions/PH1RESTRIKE|•]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE|57R1K3]] 22:18, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

== Iron Tail And Dragon Rush? ==
Same Accuracy, Power, Similar PP, {{m|Iron Tail}} Has a 10% Chance to cause a Defense drop, {{m|Dragon Rush}} has a 20% chance to flinch, Similar enough to qualify, do we think? [[User:ContraOmega|ContraOmega]] 15:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

== Surf question? ==

Isn't [[Surf (move)|Surf]] variation of Flamethrower? Because if Sludge wave is then Surf should also be because it has the same base power of 95. [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] 07:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Cotton Spore (move)

2011-10-05T12:29:25Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Priority */

Does anything in gen 5 learn it? --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] 16:49, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

==Marakacchi==
Marakacchi's sprite on this page is actually Ishizumai's sprite. I'm not sure how to fix it, but someone definitely should. [[User:Delspencerdeltorro|^_^ Delspencerdeltorro]] 12:29, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== Priority ==

What's the priority of this move? Because it always goes first in my game, e.g when battling my level 100 Zebstrika against level 67 Whimsicott, when the latter Pokemon uses this move it goes first. [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]
:Whimsicott has {{a|Prankster}}, which is why it went first. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 12:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks for the information. Haven't train Whimsicott and don't even want to so I'll keep that in mind :) [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]

Talk:Cotton Spore (move)

2011-10-05T12:19:52Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Priority */ new section

Talk:Effort values

2011-10-05T10:55:28Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Working in Gen V */ new section

Where "252" comes from isn't explained... it'd be better as Math.floor(255/4), but I'd prefer to see it written with the proper math symbols, which don't appear to be supported in Bulbapedia yet... - Hyperworm.
:We'll try to get texvc installed, but that would mean getting an Ocaml compiler for whatever platform the server is running... not to mention checking that TeX is installed properly, etc. (mutter...) - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 12:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Feel free to make it floor(255/4) with a description of the floor command, but leave the "Math." out, Bulbapedia isn't a compiler. Don't expect most people viewing the page to know what "floor()" does.
:--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:53, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Is anyone thinking of compiling a chart of pokemon and what Effort Values they have? I see that each pokemon has theirs on their own pages but it doesn't list all of them at one spot, any ambitions or places online that it could be copied over from? [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 02:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Bulbapedia already has one of those, actually. Now that you mention it, I hvae no idea why it's not linked to here. I'll add a hyperlink to the article. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 04:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow that makes it so much better thanks [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 14:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a point of clarification here - is it necessary to get a Pokemon to lv. 100 to get the full EV benefits? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Once they have the effort ribbon, you'll know they have full effort values. Otherwise, then, you can't really know. Heck, a Pokémon can hit 100 without full EVs. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
::No, no. I mean, do the stat benefits show up only at lv. 100, or immediately after you've filled the 510 EVs? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like leveling from 99 to 100 will add some ridiculously high number to the stats. I don't keep track personally, but I think that they'll show up instantly once you've filled the EVs, and it won't matter if you enter them as some lower level into the autolevel-to-100 battle on WFC, or level them up naturally. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you have enough evs, the stat gain comes after you level up. Say you get 16 evs before leveling up. If so, then when you do level up and you get 16 atk's, youll get 4 evs. So leveling to 100 isnt necesarry-- [[User:Mr T Tar]]
:It is. You may have the EVs, but you don't have the stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

And now i know thanks to you. I feel like a noob T_T

== Some adjustments needed? ==

First off, vitamins, The article's wording seems to imply that a vitamin can be used when the current points are any amount less than 100, and unless things have changed, or i know wrong, vitamins will only raise EV's TO 100 and never over 100, meaning vitamins can only be used when current EV's are 90 or less.

Also, the basic info seems to ONLY address the final results at level 100, leading to earlier confusion about whether or not EV's apply anytime before. The EV portion of the stat calculations could be here, and/or a chart showing at what levels the EV's needed for an actual stat point are whole numbers, and how many it is, along the lines of:

100 = 4
80 = 5
50 = 8
40 = 10
25 = 16
20 = 20
16 = 25
10 = 40
8 = 50
5 = 80
4 = 100
-------
2 = 200
1 = 400

Obviously we don't need a lot of the lower levels, since it'd be difficult to finish EV training that low. at eight, you'd need to use all the vitamins the game will let you to get just two stat points, and only one for the same at level 4, and gaining a single whole stat point is impossible at levels 1 and 2.
:I'm thinking the chart should be cut off at 4, since then you could still use vitamins to gain 5 single stat points in different stats. {{u|Kendai}} 10:38 October 22, 2007.

I get the numbers by dividing 400 by the level, or the needed number of EV's. You can see they start to mirror at 20.

:Vitamins are only if the EV's less than 100 at the time of use. Even if it's 99, you can still use one vitamin. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::I'm confused as to what happens in that situation. If the Pokemon has 99 EVs and you give it a vitamin, will it only gain 1 EV so that it hits 100, or will it raise the EVs to 109? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 07:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Double on the route where caught? ==

I read somewhere (a long time ago, I forget now) that when training a Pokémon on the same route or other map area where you caught it, it will receive double the normal amount of EVs. Does anyone know if this is true?
:I know that in Crystal, it raised happiness by like, double or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that thing you read was true. After all, many Pokémon are recieved in places where there are no wild Pokémon, such as starter pokémon, and you can't battle in the Safari Zone, and if a Pokémon is traded, say, from Diamond to Soul Silver, then you couldn't do train on the route either.
Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a apecific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== EV ==

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a a specific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
* If you know the IVs, you can come pretty damn close. But otherwise, no. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 21:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way you can max out a specific stat without the use of vitamins? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Extra EV training can make up for no vitamin usage. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 18:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::How do you do that? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All 252 (255) EVs would have to come from battling. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Does that mean you have to battle continuously? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 18:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yep. So if you wanted to raise Sp Attack EVs, you'd battle something like Budew 252 times (Budew gives out one Sp Attack EV, I think) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:Unless you have the 'rus and a Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Emerald? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 06:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think (THINK!) it is more or less the same. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::But how do you know battling which Pokémon raises which EV? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 07:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Ask TTE. He knows (almost) everything! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

:::(edit conflict) Or ask me!
:::There's a list linked on the article here, and other lists across the 'web as well. Generally, Pokémon will give EVs to stats they're strong in themselves (Zubat's Speed stat is it's strongest, so it gives out 1 EV to Speed when you defeat it). There are some exceptions, but that's generally how it works out.
:::For training in a specific stat, generally you just look at a list of Pokémon by EV reward, find ones that are fairly common, and track down a spot where you can find them easily. For example, Fearow and Raticate both give 2 EVs to Attack, and the area just North of the Fight Area in D/P is full of Fearow and Raticate; if you were planning to train for Attack, that would be the easiest place to train (fighting Fearow and Raticate, and running from anything else). Is that what you meant to ask? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Could you give me a link to any of those websites? And could you also tell me how to raise Special Attack in Emerald (that's what I'm playing now)?
:::::For one, [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]] is right here, simply sort by the Sp. Atk. column, which will put anything with more then a zero at the top (keep an eye out for some Pokémon that raise multiple stats at once, they can mess up your math).
:::::In Emerald, let's see... Sp. Atk. is something I've trained before, let me check my notes. *runs off*
:::::...I trained on [[Route 113]], [[Spinda]]s and [[Slugma]]s each give out 1 point towards Sp. Atk. stat. Flee from [[Skarmory]], they give out 2 points towards Def. stat (Skarmory are pretty rare anyways). MAKE SURE you mark down each Spinda/Slugma you defeat, there's nothing more annoying then losing count after number 134! And don't forget to save every so often too.
:::::One more note, if you didn't already know, Exp. Share shares EVs too, so if you need to train two Pokémon for Sp. Atk., give one of them an Exp. Share and it'll gain the EVs from battling too. It won't get the benefit of a Macho Brace or anything if your first Pokémon has one, though.
:::::...last note, training there is a great way to collect Soot on the route while you're at it. ;D --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

One more thing....is there any other way to get Attack EVs without having to battle Carvanha? (I can't find that thing anywhere!!!) [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if somebody could please explain something for me... sorry if I'm slow to pick it up, I only found out about EVs a little while ago (so yeah, I played my way through the games ignorant of them), but I'm having trouble understanding how EVs actually become stat points. I understand how you accumulate EVs, but at what point, and how, do these become stat points? I originally assumed that it was instant (i.e., you get four EVs in a particular stat, that becomes a stat point for that stat) but from reading the rest of the discussion on this page, that doesn't seem to be the case. Someone also mentioned resetting EV values... that confused me too :S
If there's a clearer explanation of how this works somewhere else, I'd really appreciate it if someone could direct me to it.
Thanks- Timothy.
:Every four EV points you gain, that's +1 in that stat at level 100. You can get up to 255 EVs in one stat, 510 total. 252 is where most people stop for a specific stat, since you don't get stat points for 3 EVs. EV points are gained from specific Pokémon, and there's a list of them somewhere around here. They get doubled by Pokérus and the Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

==Lv 100 Pokemon==
Sigh.. my brother wanted to make a Latias he got stronger. The Latias was Lv100, so he gave the berries that lower EVs in ATTACK, so he could give extra Sp.Atk to his Latias, but when he went to train, the Latias did NOT receive any EV after battling (he tried doing the box trick so the game would recalculate the EVs, but the Sp.Atk didn't rise). So here is the question: Can a Lv 100 Pokemon receive EVs? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:No, you can't EV train at 100. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::What about in Generation III? I've heard many conflicting stories about Level 100 Pokémon in Generation III receiving/not receiving experience and EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm positive that without actually leveling up, the Pokémon won't gain any EVs. I believe the previous versions allowed players to deposit a Pokémon into a storage box, then withdraw, which would re-count the EVs... but this isn't in Gen.III, I'm 99% sure. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::And what about pokémon that I already use vitamins? I mean because if you use medicine on them until it gets to "It won't have any effect", can you still train them? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Vitamins cap out at 100 EVs (10 EVs per item), so when the Vitamins stop working, there's still 155 EVs left that you can do in that stat.
:::In Gen.IV at least, I know Vitamins won't actually help you out training a level 100 Pokémon, if that's your question, since Vitamins grant EVs, and you'll need to level up to gain the effects. Just an FYI. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 09:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Eheh, he tried the box trick? That's only in the original Game Boys, not the Advance. So the trick won't work: 0.00000000000001% chance of it working. Good luck. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:45 21 May 2008'''''
::If this is any evidence for or against the idea, I once made a mistake in EV training my Donphan--It was Level 50 with 196/140 HP/Attack instead of the 197/141 I wanted. I deleted its EVs, re-trained it WITHOUT LEVELLING IT UP, and deposited it into the PC. Donphan is still Level 50 and now has 197/141 HP/Attack. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Which game were you playing exactly? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 05:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry. It was Diamond. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The box trick works in Gen III too. I've done it many times, but just for fun because I know it's the same as leveling up. But I was wondering if you could do it with lv 100 pokemon too, because it's still possible with other pokemon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Maxing Stats?==
I've noticed that a lot of people manually count the number of battles they do while maxing a stat to 252...but wouldn't it be more convenient to just get it to 255 without counting and using a EV-reducing berry? Thanks. [[User:Drbazzi|Drbazzi]] 18:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, a berry would reduce it to 245, as they make EVs decrease by 10. And... why 252? it is just the same as 255. if you get 252 in two stats, you'll be able to get other 6 EVs for a thid stat, but it will only increase it 1 point at level 100... and 1 at level 100 is the same as nothing. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:::In Emerald, that method would be more convenient. For Diamond/Pearl (and later, I would assume), if the Pokémon has more than 100 EVs in a stat, one EV-reducing berry would take it back to 100. For example, using an EV-reducing berry on a Pokémon with 255 EVs would take it down to 100 EVs, and using a berry on one with 101 EVs would also take it down to 100. For Hfc2x's question, let me turn that around: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252." The 1 extra point is for "all the advantage you can get", because you never know when one extra point may save you. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Nopes, you're wrong. EV-reducing berries lower the EVs by 10 ALWAYS, even when it is over 100. and the 1 point in one stat is nothing, 'cause you can only make the difference every 18 points at level 100. For example... if I have a Pokémon with 300 of speed and my oponent has 305, ANY of the Pokémon may attack first because the difference is so minimal. And for offensive stats there is something called "{{wp|Random number generation|RNG}}" which is the reason of why sometimes your attacks are more powerful than usual, and not just for your high stats. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay, try maxing out a stat in Diamond/Pearl, and use one berry. I have tried it myself--there is a MASSIVE loss with the first berry and a much smaller loss with the second, third, and so on. Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority. Remember what I said: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252.", and "all the advantage you can get". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 21:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::No offense, but Playing Diamond and Pearl doesn't mean that you are the complete master of the games... I know why I say it. A Pokémon with 305 speed MAY attack before another with 300, and I tell you not because I'm sure, but that's the way the game works. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I still challenge you to try it in Diamond/Pearl. I say again: "Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority." [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You think I've never played Pokémon? xD quoting your own phrases is not the great thing... please read the whole talk page and see that I've already done that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are EV training a Pokémon with both a Macho Brace(Power Anklet, et al.) and the Pokérus, does the doubling take place before or after the plus four? For example, if I defeat a Jumpluff with a Pokémon that is holding a Power Anklet and currently has or has previously had the Pokérus, will it be getting 10 EVs(3*2+4) or 14 EVs((3+4)*2)? --[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 10:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:It works like this:
:I defeated a {{p|Gastly}} and my {{p|Alakazam}} had [[Pokérus]] and was holding [[EV-enhancing item#Power Lens|Power Lens]]. Gastly gives 1 {{Stat|Special Attack|Sp.Atk}} EV and the Power lens gives 4 extra EVs also, giving a total of 5. THEN the Pokérus duplicates the EVs for the Pokémon, (in this case Alakazam) giving a total of 10 Sp.Atk EVs. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Oh really? ==

The last sentence states that it adds 4 EVs to the respective stat even if EVs in a different stat are gained. Is this tested to be true?

To clarify, +4 first, THEN x2 for Pokerus - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Also, I believe the EV system for Generations I and II is wrong here. I'm fairly sure Pokemon weren't given specific EV values like they are now, I think EVs were actually calculated based on a Pokemon's stats. Please check it anyway to make sure.

Since you added 252 is the highest multiple of 4 in 255, you might want to add 508 is the highest multiple of 4 in 510, making 2 available EVs useless. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Well, Mr. Black isn't responding you questions... The first one is YES, if you use Power Wheight you'll always gain +4 HP EVs, even if you fight a Graveler. And the second one is NO, Pokémon always have given away the same EVs they give now, but the difference is that there is no limit in Gens I and II, instead of the limit of 510 in Gens III and IV. {{unsigned|hfc2x}}

Well, I'll explain it better:
*Power Wheight helps you get +4 EVs in HP ''EVERY TIME YOU FIGHT AND FAINT AND OPPONENT''. This is added to the total if you haven't got the Pokerus. If you have Pokérus, then the total (after adding the bonus for the held item) is multiplied by 2.
*In Generations I and II, ALL Pokémon give ''THE SAME'' EVs they give now. The only difference among generations is the total of EVs you can add to a Pokémon if you want to train. In Gens III and IV the maximum training in EVs is 510, with a maximum of 255 in every stat, but the total cannot exceed 510. In Gens I and II, there is no maximum amount of EVs in any stat nor a maximum of total EVs. Meaning that you can get infinite training.

I hope it is clear now... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

* I think your second statement about Generations I and II is incorrect. According to [http://www.geocities.com/thelegendarydogs/faqs/all/genes/genesfaq.htm this GenI&II Pokémon DVs guide], defeating a Pokémon added its base stats to your EV scores (called Stat XP in the old terminology), and your EV scores were limited to 65535. This corroborates with the [[Pokémon data structure in the GB|data structure]], which has ten bytes for Effort data or two bytes per stat, and two bytes can store a maximum value of 65535. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Probability ==

How many different combinations of EVs are possible without going over the limit for EVs, 510, and the limit in each individual stat, 255? {{unsigned|Superbreeder}}

:I think 255! * 6...but that doesn't discount duplicates, so I'm not quite sure. It probably involves factorials, and it's certainly exceptionally large. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 21:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ask {{u|Beligaronia|this guy}} nicely. If you explain exactly what you're looking for, I'm sure he can figure it out. He has told me, though, that he plans to be less active than an inactive user, so try [[Special:EmailUser/Beligaronia|email]] or his Wikipedia talk page for the fastest results. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== I Still Don't Understand ==

EV Training still confuses me. . If I fought a Charizard, who gives 3SpAtk EVs, then what would happen? My Pokemon gets 3 extra points to their SpAtk? Does it have to level up? {{unsigned|ShinjiLover}}
:No, it doesn't help. Try beating other 83 Charizards to fill up your Sp.Atk EV max and then level up and see what happens. 252 EVs mean +63 of the stat ''AT LEVEL 100'', not at other levels. Ah, and try signing your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Effort Values and Stat Experience ==

I saw that on the article it says that Effort Values were created in Gen. I, but weren't they created in Gen. III during the Data Structure Overhaul. The extra 63 points in the first 2 generations were determined by a hidden experience value for each stat value (max - 63,105 exp. points i think), and the amount of hidden exp. you get for a stat is equal to the opponent's base stat for that specific stat.

There is more evidence to support this then the EV theory. Like if you just caught a Lapras in, say, Pokémon Crystal,and you fight 4 Grimers. If the EV theory were correct, you would get 1 point in your HP stat after using the Box Trick, but instead multiple stats rise. Isn't that because each stat rises according to every 1000 points(or something)?

So I was just thinking to suggest that the EV info on Gen. I and II be moved to III, and create a link to a new page, Stat Experience? The SE theory sounds more correct then the EV one for Gens. I and II. What do you guys think? {{unsigned|Dark Boye}}

* In Generations I and II we called it Stat Experience. Nowadays they're called EVs. It's calculated differently now, but it's essentially the same thing - you get faster by fighting Jolteons, and more hit points by fighting Chanseys. I think it makes sense to say they're just different versions of the same thing - after all, as far as I know, both "stat XP" and "Effort Values" are just fan-created names. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Stat-reducing Berries==
I'd like to note some things about the Stat Reducing Berries. The fact that they reduce EV's by 10 is correct, but I wanna note that when used on a stat above 100, the stat is reduced down to 100, then each subsequent use is 10 each. Once the berry starts failing, it's either due to the stat having no EV's, or an EV amount below 10. These berries are also very useful in changing a Pokemon's EV spread, a very good thing for an In-game team to make them more competitive.
Also, when used on a Level 100 Pokemon, they WILL reduce the stats, but because they can no longer level up, they cannot raise the stats back up via EV training.[[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 14:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
:Although you may be able to raise your stats back using stat-enhancing drinks, which are the opposite of stat reducing berries.[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

==Your questions are probably answered here...==
After reading this page, I found that there were a lot of complicated topics that weren't quite answered. Here're the most frequently asked questions answered:

What is EV training, and how is it good?
EV training is a method in which you train one Pokémon against a against a specific group of Pokémon in order to raise the Pokémon's stats. This would be like training a future sweeper against Jolteon so that the sweeper gets faster.

How do I EV train?
Personally, I EV train by finding trainers that have only one species of Pokémon, but others may prefer to train against wild Pokémon. Both methods are equally effective. A common one is PI Carlos just below Veilstone City. Because he has 3 Goldeen (which evolve into Seaking), he gives 3 (or 6) EV's throughout the course of one battle. Although you can have a maximum of 255 EV's in each stat, many trainers opt to put a maximum of 252 EV's in a stat. You can have a maximum of 510 EV's total (shared between stats), and every 4 EV's in a stat boost the stat at level 100 by 1 point.

What about Berries?
If you use a stat-reducing berry on a pokemon that has more than 100 EV's in a stat, it reduces that stat's EV's to 100. From 100 down, however, it reduces the EV's by 10. Kudos to Joe T. E.!

How do I squeeze the most out of EV training?
Ok, so this isn't really an FAQ, but I found some nice ideas to maximize your EV's. First off, putting EV's in a stat increased by nature can make its effect go up from +63 to +69, putting you "one point ahead" in the end!

Try my EV Optimizer here: http://masd.21classes.com/pub/MASD/DavidKo/Stat_Calculator.htm

[[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]] 22:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

:I'm still a little puzzeled, butI think I'm getting to understand EVs. Basically by the time I get to level 100 I'll HAVE to have my max EV numbers somewhere right? The only "EV training" is in aiming for those two max stats? Maybe use EV reducer berries to tweak. But after I get those EVs full and in a way I like them, that's all I can do, right? Timing of getting the EVs early/ect don't matter, right? The end result doesn't need babysitting from the very start it looks like/I hope?--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 05:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

::A Pokémon's stats are pre-calculated, but think of it like this: the difference between the Pokémon's stat now and their stat at level X divided by the number of levels between them equals the stat change. As an example, if a Pokémon's stat at level 100 would be 300, and it's level 99 with 290 as its stat, its next stat gain will be 10. As long as you get all of your EV's in before level 100, all of the EV's will be factored in. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 02:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

:I have a question that isn't answered here: Is it possible to check to see how many EVs your Pokemon has in specific stat? I know that there's a guy in the Platinum Battle Tower that will let you know their IVs, but is there something like that for EVs to? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 12:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

::Well, if you know your exact IVs, it's possible to calculate your EVs, but otherwise, no. Generally, if you're training for a particular number of EVs, you keep track of it in a notepad or something. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 15:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I never bothered with EVs or IVs till now, so I didn't keep track. So what's the formula to calculate the EVs then? Also, does the formula calculate the EVs exactly, or is it just an approximate amount? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 15:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

::::I don't know the formula, so I wouldn't know how exact it would be. You can probably get an aproximate however by going into a Wi-Fi battle and setting levels to 100 (if you don't already have your Pokémon at level 100), than compare the stats to the stats listed on that Pokémon's species page.
::::For example, if I checked my Weavile at level 100 and its Attack stat was at 350, I could compare that to the [[Weavile (Pokémon)#Base stats|base stats]] at level 100 and figure that my Attack EV was somewhere close to maxed-out (since the highest you can get with EVs and IVs combined would be 372 on a Weavile).
::::It's a rough aproxximation, but it'll give you a good idea where you're at.
::::Generally, if you really want to get serious with EV training, you'll want to start fresh with a newly-caught/newly-hatched Pokémon. I've not tried it, but I believe you could also use berries that reduce EVs to "reset" your Pokémon back to 0, as well (not sure on the details of that, however). --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 21:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== EV Training for Lv 50 battles ==

Since there is currently a world tourney going on with a Lv 50 limit and there also is (and has been for along while) the in-game option of battling with Lv 50 pokémon, I'm surprised that I don't see more information or discussion on the topic. If you are EV training for a Lv 50 battle, then wouldn't you not particularly want 252 EV in a stat? Unless I'm mistaken, you would want floor(252/8) because you are at half the level of Lv 100 battles, where it is four EV per stat point. This would mean that raising a stat to 252 would in fact be a waste of four perfectly usable effort points! Am I mistaken here, or is this assumption correct? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 02:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually wrong. You can have max EVs at like level 10 and it wouldn't hurt. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maxing at any level doesn't matter. It's just at level 100 where full bonus is calculated. At level 100 your Pokémon's stats will range by exactly 31 points for their IVs and exactly 63 points for their EVs. Under 100's are just fractionalized by their level: a level 50 Pokémon would thus have a 15-point or 16-point range in stats due to IVs, while the range due to EVs would be 31 or 32 points. As the Pokémon's level gets higher the discrepancy is greater between untrained and crap-IVs and trained with excellent IVs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry TTE, but IV points can vary a stat as much as 34 points and as little as 28 points, and EV's can vary as much as 69 points and as little as 57 points depending on the nature. Training a Pokémon earlier rather than later or vice versa has no effect on its stats at level 10, 25, 50 or 100. What appears to happen is that a Pokémon trained later will have a more extreme stat gain in the next level (<s>about 63/(100 - level)</s> (future stat (with EV's) - current stat) points more than usual if fully trained in one level). [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 03:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I think my question has been misunderstood here. What I want to ask is this: since at level 100 it takes four effort points to add a single point in any stat, wouldn't it make sense that it would take 8 points at exactly half that level? That is what I am asking. Can anyone answer this for me, as it can mean the difference between 252 being the max useful amount and 248 being that number, and with 2 stats at that level, you'd have eight effort points to spare, meaning one stat point anywhere you chose... Sorry if this seems obvious to anyone, but I'm not so sure from the sources I've looked at. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::In an attempt to answer your multi-faceted question, yes, it would be more thrifty to put only 248 EV's in a stat if you intend to keep that Pokémon at level 50. The extra point in the stat with 252 would be rounded down anyway, so putting in 248 is a much better choice. If you intend, however, to train the Pokémon to level 100, it would max out the stat with only 252. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 18:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Understood. And yes, I was asking about pokémon you intend to keep for battling at level 50, which I suppose I should have specified. I just figured since I mentioned the VGC tourneys it would be assumed, what with a lv 50 cap and all... Thanks! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 01:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

:It depends on whether the IV is even or odd, if it's odd you need 252 to max the stat, if even only 248. Any other level and you would have to consider the whole IV and the Base stat too, but the EV needed for max stat will always be a multiple of 4. I know that this conversation is almost a year old, but having an accurate answer is important. --[[User:Sp unit 262|sp unit 262]] 04:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== EV distribution if multiple pokemon are used ==

So only the pokemon that lands the finishing blow gets the EVs? Or do all the pokemon that were exposed in the battle get EVs? --[[User talk:Qwertyasdf|(QQ)∞wertyasdf]] 11:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon that gained EXP, as a result of the defending Pokémon being defeated, gets EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 17:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

::So if i knock out a Paras by sending out Heracross, switching to Scyther and knocking it out with wing attack, they both get 1 attack EV? So both get the full effect? What if the opponent gives two or there EVs?[[User:Emperor Fox|Emperor Fox]] 01:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::All Pokémon who received experience recieve the full amount of EVs. Evs are not divided, unlike experience. --[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 16:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Is this the same in Generation I/II, i.e. for stat exp? Also can we add this to the article somewhere? [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 14:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Confused about Effort Values and Effort Points ==

In the first paragraph under Generation III, it begins by describing the new effort points, but the example uses effort values:

:Generation III completely overhauls the effort value structure. Defeated Pokémon give out 1, 2 or 3 ''effort points'' to a particular stat, depending on species (see list of Pokémon by effort value yield). However, in battles that do not give any experience (such as in the Battle Tower or if the Pokémon is level 100), Pokémon will not gain any ''EVs.'' At level 100, a Pokémon's stats will be one point higher in a specific stat for every four effort points gained in that stat.

The way that I read the second sentence, no pokémon at any level from Generation 3 on would earn effort values since they were replaced by effort points. If effort points and effort values are the same thing, using both terms is confusing. If effort points are converted into effort values, that should be stated with the conversion rate.

If a level 100 pokémon cannot gain any experience from battle, how would it be getting effort points or a stat increase at all?

One more thing: Does the mew in the Generation 1 example grant 100 (points) to each effort value or 100 effort values to each stat? [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 21:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:From how I see it, defeating one Mew in Generation I grants 100 points to each effort value. My interpretation of the article is that an "effort point" or "effort value point" refers to stat exp. that has been gained, and "effort value" is the total amount of effort points that has been "collected" in a particular stat. For example, a Pokémon that defeats a Mew will gain 100 effort points in each stat, and its effort values for each stat will therefore increase by 100. However, it looks like many people often say "effort values" when they really mean "effort points", which is extremely confusing. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::So you would wind up with effort points ''and'' effort values? Oh, the effort value is in increments of effort points. It’s like having a hundred dollars in one-dollar bills. You have 100 dollar bills which is 100 dollars. But who ever says they have a hundred dollar bills in their account? [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 02:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::Also, whoever says they received 100 dollar bills? By the way, nowhere on Bulbapedia is the relationship of effort points to effort values given, or even a definition. [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 10:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

:::One Effort Value = One Effort Point. The names were changed starting with Generation III it appears (from Value to Point), but the EV term is still the most commonly used.
:::The article needs a bit of a re-write to clarify this; some editors have written it as Points, while others have written it as Values, which is why the current article is a little convoluted on that particular regard. I'll need to research a bit as to which name is the current "official" term. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't know about what these things were "officially" called in Generation III. However, in Diamond and Pearl:
::::*The description for vitamins mention '''"base" stat'''. For example, the HP Up's description says, ''"... It raises the '''base HP''' of a single Pokémon."'' Using it on a Pokémon will say something like, ''"FEEBAS's '''base HP''' rose!"''
::::*The description for EV-reducing berries also say '''"base" stat'''. For example, the Pomeg Berry's description says, ''"... Using it on a Pokémon makes it more friendly, but it also lowers its '''base HP'''."'' Using it on a Pokémon will say something like, ''"However, its '''base HP''' fell!"'', ''"Its '''base HP''' fell!"'', or ''"Its '''base HP''' can't go lower."''
::::Similar wording occurs with the other vitamins and EV-reducing berries as well. Of course, the items I mentioned actually modify the EVs, and not what we (on Pokémon fan sites) would call "base stats". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
::::*Does the 100 effort values to all stats when defeating a mew apply only to generation 1, or does it apply to generation II as well?(Forger03 at 10:33pm on February 03, 2010)
:::::That should be valid for both Generation I and Generation II. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 17:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

== EV Gain at Level 100 ==

It might be worth mentioning that while you can't EV train at level 100, you can use vitamins. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 10:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== A Few Questions... ==

Having read through the whole talk page, there are a few things I'm still not entirely clear on.

Firstly, does the level at which a Pokémon gains it's EVs matter? For instance, if I were to train a certain Pokémon to have 252 HP EVs at level 40, and then do the same with an identical Pokémon at level 70 and then raise both up to level 100 will the ultimate result be that both Pokémon have the same maxed HP stat?

Secondly, Is it smarter to maximize two selected stats of a Pokémon, or to spread the EVs around evenly? Example: Gengar has naturally high Speed and Special Attack stats, so, would this Pokémon be most competitive if it had 252 EVs in each of these stats? or would that just make it less flexible in battle?

Thirdly, I read somewhere on this page that "All Pokémon that gain EXP from defeating another Pokémon will get EVs." Does this include EXP gained through the use of an EXP. Share? If so, do the EVs get divided among the Pokémon in the same manner as the EXP? Or does each Pokémon that gained EXP from a battle then gain the full EV yield?

I apologise if any of these questions have already been answered and I simply missed them... ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 06:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

#Level won't matter, so long as it's not at level 100 when it gains the EVs (so it still has level-ups left to receive the bonuses). At level 100, both of your examples would have the same stats (not counting any differences in [[nature]] or [[IVs]]).
#This depends, but generally speaking, you'll focus on two main stats. There are some instances where you'll want a bit of a spread, but normally you'll always max out HP on a defensive Pokémon and put the rest of the points into either one or both of the defense stats, or on an offensive Pokémon, perhaps allocate the majority of the points to Speed and the rest to one of the attack stats. Sites like Smogon.com list popular movesets and EV spreads for nearly every Pokémon used competitively, and can be a good way to get a feel for how a competitive set might look.
#Exp. Share will split the EXP, but both Pokémon will get the full EVs. If you defeat a {{p|Pikachu}} while one of your other party members has an Exp. Share, both your active Pokémon and the one with the Exp. Share will get 2 Speed EVs. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks for your answers, thats exactly what I needed to know! ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 00:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Box Trick ==

The article never states if you can still use the box trick to raise stats when at level 100. I'm wondering if you can un-train then re-train the EVs of lv 100 Pokémon.[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:51, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Never mind... I'm really stupid.

== An Additional Question ==
Sorry if this seems a bit picky, but I wanted a direct answer to this question rather than assume the answer. I know you have 510 EVs to distribute to a single Pokémon, and you can only use 255 EVs for one stat. Is it possible to max out a stat (spend 255 EVs on it), but still continue to waste your 510 EVs on that stat? Like, if you invested 255 EVs to speed (and thus only have 255 EVs total to work with) then battled a Zubat, would you now have only 254 EVs to work with or do you still have 255? [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 01:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:The 255 cap is just that, a cap. Once you get 255 in a stat, no other EVs in that stat will be counted, so you still have 255 EVs left to put into other stats. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 01:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Really? I thought once you reached 252 you were just throwing away EV points. Are you completely sure?[[User:Emperor Fox|Emperor Fox]] 01:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It is "throwing away EV points" because you need 4 EV points to get 1 stat point, but you put in 3 EV points to fill the max to 255, meaning you never get your 1 stat point out of it. But I wasn't sure if you were able to continue wasting. [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Eh... i was unclear. Apart from the wasted 3, i thought you could continue gaining EVs until you'd wasted all of them on one stat. Though if it really does stop gaining EVs after 255, that would answer my question of "Why is it a cap if you can keep wasting them?" Frankly, it's fantastic news, since I'm EV training a zangoose the horribly lazy way. Pokérus, Power Bracer and beating a whole bunch of floatzel. (Which, if I'm not mistaken, nets me 4 speed EVs and 8 attack with each one defeated. Anyone care to correct me if I'm wrong?)[[User:Emperor Fox|Emperor Fox]] 02:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::So it seems Jïörüjï Ðērākō is right in that it does cap. Just had someone test it out so let the lazy EV training begin! [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 02:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::As for the why it caps, 1 byte is capable of storing 256 different values. One of those values is zero, leaving 255 others. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Excuse me... ==

HI, I'm new!... That aside, could someone please explain the following situation? I think it might be useful to people... Anyway, I came across EVs recently and decided to train my [[Kadabra (Pokémon)|Alakaz]] in Sp. Atk. and Speed. His EVs were already maxed, so I thought of using the EV-reducing berries. I also tried some on a {{p|Houndoom}}, for happiness. These are the messages I got:

I used a lot of [[Grepa berry|Grepa berries]], and then some {{b|Kelpsy}} and {{b|Qualot}}. His happiness was always at max. At first I got the message "Alakaz adores you! Its base Sp. Def. fell." After some Grepas, I got the message "It won't have any effect." Then I fed him some Kelpsy, and I got the message "Alakaz adores you! Its base Attack fell"... Then I tried a few Pomeg berries on [[Houndoom (Pokémon)|Houndark]]. At first the normal message showed, but I didn't see the HP go down. Then, after the third one, I got "Houndark became more friendly. Its base HP won't go lower."

Can someone please explain? I'm [[User:Togepikachu|TogePikachu]], thank you. 10:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:*Your Alakaz must have had maximum happiness, as well as some Attack and Sp. Def. EPs. Using a reduction berry on a Pokémon with maximum happiness but nonzero EV will give you the "adores you" message. But once you erased all of Alakaz's Sp. Def. EPs, since Alakaz already had maximum happiness and 0 Sp. Def. EV, more Grepa berries would not have any effect (and the game told you). Alakaz still had some Attack EPs, so Kelpsy berries would still have an effect by reducing its Attack EV.
:*Your Houndark had 11-20 HP EPs before you used the Pomeg berries (after the Pomeg berries, it had 0), but that was not enough to make a difference in its HP stat at that level. Your Houndark did not reach maximum happiness even after you gave it the Pomeg berries, so using further Pomeg berries would still have an effect by increasing its happiness.
:[[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 20:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== 1st and Second Gen ==

Is it possible in the first and second generation to see when your stats have maxed BESIDES fighting the E4 then Box Tricking? I want to know when to stop training Mewtwo over there. Haha. [[User:PoketoaTheFirefox|PoketoaTheFirefox]] 20:00, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's not possible to definitively determine if your Pokémon is maxed out (unless if one of its stats has IV 15 and that stat was maxed before - then you know it's absolutely maxed) without outside hardware, such as a cheating device. Couldn't reduce EVs until late Generation III, so it's really hard to determine a Generation I or II Pokémon's stat potential. If you don't see any stat improvement after a large number of battles, then of course that may suggest that maximum stats have been reached, but that's not a guarantee. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 07:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

== Is "Effort values" an official terminology? ==

I see in the Pokémon Emerald Official Encyclopaedia (a Japanese official book), and in the Route 9 Department Store of Pokémon Black & White, effort value is called "基礎ポイント" (base point) in Japanese. I want to know, is the terminology "Effort values / 努力値" (as well as base stats, IV, others..) referred in any official media? Or it's actually a widely-used fanon terminology like "Masuda method" --[[User:Swampert|Swampert]] 14:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:I have never seen official Pokémon media use "effort value" or "effort point". In fact, in the English Generation IV games, the descriptions for the vitamins (HP Up, Protein, etc.) and the EV-reduction berries (Pomeg, Kelpsy, etc.) also mention "base" stat. For example, the in-game description of the HP Up item is, "''A nutritious drink for Pokémon. It raises the '''base HP''' of one Pokémon.''" I think that IV (individual value) is also an unofficial term, but I'm not sure about other terminology. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 15:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::I think the reason that they do this is because although IV's and EV's are separate data, when calculating stats they are pretty much just addons to the base stats. So, one EV point actually ''raises the base stat'' of a specific Pokémon by 1/8 of a point, and one IV point raises it by a half point. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 17:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Apparently there's an official name for them now - "Base Points". [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 21:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::::So perhaps the official (English) term for the ''combined effect of base stat, IV, and EV'', is "base stat", and not just EVs specifically? [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, I think we might need some more clarification (maybe an exact quote) about what they really mean when they say "base point" or "base stat". Swampert (or anyone), could you provide a translation of the text that you mentioned? [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::::And apparently I didn't see it in the first post (the "base point" thingy). I'm dumb >_< [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 22:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
::::From my understanding, 基礎ポイント means and '''only''' means effort value, since the book says ''基礎ポイント(base points) can affect about 60 stat value when Lv.100''(translated), and a NPC in Route 9 Department Store says ''The items to rise 基礎ポイント are sold on Floor 3''. I haven't found an official English term, it should be ascertained in the English version of Black and White.--[[User:Swampert|Swampert]] 14:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thank you Swampert. We'll have to see if Ztobor might be correct that the English games will translate "基礎ポイント" as "base point". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Effect on stat points ==

The German Pokéwiki has this to say about effort values. Here is a rough translation:

"At level 100, four EV's in a particular stat will result in an increase of one point for that stat. At other levels, the number of EV's needed to do so is as follows:

*Level 0-19: 40
*Level 20-29: 20
*Level 30-39: 13.3
*Level 40-49: 10
*Level 50-59: 8
*Level 60-69: 6.6
*Level 70-79: 5.7
*Level 80-89: 5
*Level 90-99: 4.4
*Level 100: 4"

Should this be included here? --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 13:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:I was under the understanding that it was 4 EVs = 1 point for all levels... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::You can add it if you want. I don't see what the problem would be, since it would show people the "true" effect of EVs at certain levels. For example, you would expect a level 1 Chimchar, with 31 Attack IV and 252 Attack EV, to have 7 Attack (by the formula) instead of 69 Attack (6+252/4). [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::i say add it because i was gonna ask why my pokes were getting 1 pt every 8 evs when its supposed to be 4 evs i thought. looking at that chart it makes sense because they were at 55-58 when i was training them. [[User:TerrorKingMugen|TerrorKingMugen]] 16:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::So what my question now is...when you level up, do these EVs "catch up" with their proper level? So if I EV trained a Bulbasaur at level 2 and he got +1 Sp ATK because he had 40 Sp ATK EVs, once he got to level 41, and theoretically gained no EVs, would that become +4 Sp Atk, or did I just screw Bulbasaur out of points? [[User:Poke poke poke|Poke poke poke]] 23:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Technically, that chart is only an approximation. You didn't screw Bulbasaur out of any EV's, but it's not always obvious the work that the EV's are doing. To answer your question, yes, that +1 you got at Level 2 will... actually grow into +20 at Level 41. The figure of "40" only works for Level 10. At level 2, it actually takes 200 EV's to raise the Sp.Atk by 1 point. It's just that that +20 will be spread about through the other 38 levels, so you won't see it discretely. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== official name? ==

Serebii are reporting that an NPC on Isshu Route 9 gives an official name to EVs as "base points". Can anyone confirm this? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 15:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:Please see the discussion above, "Is 'Effort values' an official terminology?". Since Black and White haven't been released in any language other than Japanese, we only know that the term used in Japanese is "基礎ポイント", which people have translated as "base point". We'll just have to wait for the English-language release to find out the official English name. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 03:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== That Gen V section ==

Is it proven yet? --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, here: [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79340&page=62]. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 12:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Still a bit confused... ==

So are Rare Candies okay if you've already got all your desired 512 EVs? Or is it better to level it up through battling, manually, all the way to Level 100?

And would the following method work to get the best possible stats for a Pokemon with the same IVs?
Say: a Level 50 Gyarados with mixed random EVs via battling throughout the storyline, fed as many stat-reducing berries as possible, and then battled the correct number of the correct type of Pokemon to get 252/252/6 EVs, and then leveled up with a bunch of Rare Candies to Level 100?
:If the Pokémon has 510 EVs total then it doesn't matter whether you use Rare Candies or Battle experience to further level it up. And yes, that method should work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== Gen III Deoxys ==

It should be mentioned somewhere in the article, that the only Pokémon that gets stats recalculated at the end of every battle in Gen III is {{p|Deoxys}}, as opposed to the other Pokémon, which get their stats recalculated in the box or by leveling up. I recall, when I first got an event Deoxys in my FireRed game, I noticed that it wasn't getting normal stat recalculation upon leveling up when I was EV training it. Then I noticed that in FR/LG/E, the alternate formes of Deoxys have that behavior upon battling: their stats grow after every battle instead of the normal way of gaining a boost upon level-up. This doesn't happen with the normal Deoxys from R/S. Anyone feel free to add it to the article (and confirm it, if you have time and Deoxys, too). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== As for the "recalculations" in Gen. V ==

I'm rather confused as to what "stats being recalculated after every battle" entails. Does it mean that even if, say, your Emboar is fully EV trained, its EVs can still be changed just by its being in more battles? Sorry, I might just be missing some obvious wording, but it'd help if someone would clear this up.... [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 19:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:In Generations III and IV, if, say, you have a Pokémon (not Deoxys) with 100 Attack and zero Attack EVs, if it then gains 252 Attack EVs without leveling up, evolving, going in the PC box, or using any vitamins, its Attack will still be 100 until you do one of those things. In Generation V, this is changed so that increases in EVs will automatically increase stats as appropriate after every battle without the need of the [[box trick]] or similar. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 19:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, so basically the stats are fully realized ''when you finish EV Training'' versus when reaching Level 100? And level gain is no longer required to have EVs account ''at all''? Exciting. Thank you very much for the clarification. [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 19:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Effort Values checker? ==

According to the articles regarding [[Blackthorn City]] and [[Opelucid City]], there is a lady who gives you a rough idea of your Pokemon's EVs. Can we get a list of phrases? In my playing experience, the only thing this person has ''ever'' said about any of my Pokémon is "It looks like your [Pokémon] ... could try a little harder", whether it's my Starter (who has long since maxed out a few EVs) or a freshly bred/caught Pokemon with no EVs at all. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 18:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)''
:To my understanding, there are only two phrases. She will say "Could try a little harder" if you have not hit 510, and "has put in great effort" if it is at 510.[[User:Poke poke poke|Poke poke poke]] 23:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Switching out ==

How does switching out work with EVs? Say I have a Nosepass, holding a Power Belt, as my lead Pokémon, and find a wild Geodude. I automatically send out my Nosepass, of course, then switch to my Weavile and KO the geodude. Will my Nosepass now gain 5 Defense EVs (Geodude's 1 given + 4 from the Power Belt) or 1, or none? On a side note, this page is getting pretty long. Are article talk pages ever archived or does that only apply to user talk pages? [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 16:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:OK, I didn't see the conversation a few above me, and unless I'm horribly wrong here, the power items will always give extra EVs when the Pokémon gains EVs from battle, so goodbye. [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 16:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

== Generation II confusion about special ==

It says generation II is the same as generation I, and the special attack and special defence stat share the EV for special. That makes sense for backwards compatibility, but when I'm trying to keep track of my EVs in generation II I can't work out which one is used.

Example: Hoothoot has sp. atk. and sp. def. of 36 and 56 respectively. Generation II uses just one EV for both, so when I kill a hoothoot, what gets added to the single EV for special? 36 or 56? I'm trying to keep track of how many EVs (or stat exp) my pokémon have earned, but don't know what to do for special and I can't find the answer anywhere. --[[User:Pan|Pan]] 09:36, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

==So...==
This may be the same as a question above but is it possible to put more than 252 or 255 EVs into a stat? Like all 510? Or does it stop at 252 or 255? [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 18:14, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:It stops at 255. But since 4 EVs are needed to increase a stat by one at level 100, there's not much point putting the final three into the stat. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Is this what is needed to max out stats: IVs of 31 + the right nature/characteristic + 255 EVs? And is it true that you can only max out ''2'' stats? [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 21:59, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:I think that's right, I have a Hacked {{p|Arceus}} that was supposed to have Perfect stats, But the nature redid the stats so that only HP and Attack remained maxed. BTW this question seems to be more suited to the forums. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

== Working in Gen V ==

Okay, first of all I've been EV training for a while in my Pokemon white. I check the stats before and after every battle, and the stats are never recalculated for the said Pokemon. Can anyone explain this to me? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]

Talk:Phenomenon

2011-09-03T04:11:10Z

Flygonfanno1: /* A question */

I've seen various iterations throughout the wiki, so let's decide once and for all: is it "Shaking Spots" or "Shaking Patches"? [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 21:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
:From what we had seen, it was Shaking '''spots''', it's more general, but I'm not really sure. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 21:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, these are the confirmed ones: '''Rustling Grass''', '''Dust Cloud''', '''Flying Pokémon's Shadow''', and '''Rippling Water'''. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 21:58, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Just make sure that they are lowercase, so '''rustling grass''', '''dust cloud''', '''flying Pokémon's shadow''', and '''rippling water'''. But yes, these are the names w got from a magazine. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:01, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Has anyone looked into how phenomena occurs? All I've been able to gather so far is that it's step based and has some random element, like normal wild encounters. I don't know if the probability of phenomena occurring increases with more steps or if it's just entirely random though. I'm somewhat wiki retarded, so sorry if the talk page isn't the right place for this, or if it's not formatted well (and if it doesn't belong here, sorry, and certainly delete it). [[User:Omfgzergrush|Omfgzergrush]] 09:14, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:As far as I've experienced, it's entirely random. Sometimes it occurs within a handful of steps, sometimes it occurs after running around for a minute or two. --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 22:04, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

== Encounter List ==

I noticed somebody's just copied the horribly incomplete encounter list from the beginning of the guide. I don't know how to insert it in the article, but here's a full one: [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Method 
Found in pre-credits areas
--
Found only in post-credits areas

Walk 
Audino Musharna
Panpour Pansage
Pansear Cincinno
Emonga Leafanny
Unfheasant Stoutland
Sock W/Throw B
LilligantW/WhimsicottB
Runiclus W/GothitelleB
--
Gliscor Tyranitar
Wigglytuff Ninetales
Crobat Tangrowth
Clefable Mamoswine
Metagross Sunflora
Vespiquen
MismagiusW/HonchkrowB
ButterfreeW/BeedrillB

Surf 
Basculin W/Basculin B
Alomolola Jellicent
Seismitoad Stunfisk
--
Buoysel Flowsel
Slowpoke Slowbro
Slowking Corsola
Mantine Lapras
Wailmer Wailord
Sealeo Walrein
Staryu Starmie
Seel Dewgong

Fish 
Basculin W/Basculin B
Feebas Milotic
Goldeen Seaking
Poliwhirl Poliwrath
Politoed Relicanth
Gorebyss W/Huntail B
Kingler Luvdisc
Chinchou Lanturn
Seadra Kingdra
Lumineon Qwilfish
Barboach Whiscash
Dratini Dragonair
Dragonite Stunfisk
--
Shellder Cloyster
Carvanha Sharpedo
Octillery

== Item Encounters ==

Do the items that you get from the dust clouds differ from cave to cave? Because I've been burning through 450+ Super Repels trying to find one Fire Stone in the Giant Chasm and I've found more than one of every other stone except the Thunderstone and the aforementioned Fire Stone. I've also noticed I've been getting more Leaf Stones and Dusk Stones than the other stones. [[User:Porygon-man|Porygon-man]] 22:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:That'd be an interesting thing to look into. I've gotten a Sun Stone in Wellspring Cave. I wouldn't be surprised about your theory considering the Pokémon depends on the cave. This'll require some investigating! :P [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I've found every item in dust clouds in every cave, so this discussion is futile. I'm checking per cave right now, but I'm sure that I'm not mistaken here.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 23:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:Okay, I was running through Giant Chasm just now, and it gave me a Fire Stone in a dust cloud, and a Thunderstone in the next one. >_> Still, I wonder if the chances of getting an item vary from cave to cave or I'm just having bad luck. [[User:Porygon-man|Porygon-man]] 23:26, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how to add some to the list for dust clouds but they have oval stones in them as well--[[User:Ovidkid|Ovidkid]] 05:45, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
:Regarding stone appearance rates, I just ran a little experiment. In Wellspring Cave, out of 100 dust clouds, I got 9 stones. However, 6 of these were Everstones, which seems a disproportionately high number (I also got a Sun Stone, Shiny Stone and Moon Stone). So I would suspect that appearance rate does vary between caves. We really need to look at the game data to prove this, though. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 14:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Could someone add the Moon Stone to the list of Dust Cloud Items? ==
Because I just got 2 in a row from them.(I'm bad at templating)K THNX BI.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 21:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:I was reorganizing the table to look like it does on the [[Cave tile]] page, and I didn't realize I had removed it. I've fixed my mistake though. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== A question ==

Does the "possible encounter" of rippling water means it's not fixed that one will face them or does that means that we can only face them on rare chances? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]
:Pokémon that are listed are the only ones that appear in rippling water; for example, Frillish is never encountered.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:39, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
::I know that too. My question was what does "Possible encounter" means? Does it mean we may or may not face it at all? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]

Talk:Phenomenon

2011-09-02T13:34:28Z

Flygonfanno1: /* A question */ new section

Talk:List of glitches in Generation V

2011-09-02T11:55:01Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Mistralton gym glitch */ new section

==Daily events==
I think I found a glitch with things you can do daily (battle in black city, ride the ferris wheel, ect.). If you attempt to do it again the next day, the game will act as if you already did everything. {{unsigned|Auragirl}}
:You probably changed DS or the clock on the DS. Doing either of these will suspend all daily events for 24 hours. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
ok, I just forgot I used my sister's ds that day. But why isn't there anything here about the fainted pokemon glitch?[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 01:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Do you mean the false glitch mentioned two sections below this, or something else? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I mean the one where a pokemon faints, but the hp bar will stay and show 1hp even though the pokemon has fainted. I have had it happen to me several times already. Go look on youtube if you dont understand.[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 12:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Well, I have a battle video saved (not mine), 72-38980-27648, which I believe is similar to what you are talking about, but the HP bar does not stay. I have heard of the other one however. I believe we do not note it because we do not know why it happens, or even a way to make it consistently occur. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
ok. If it helps, it usually happens to me when i'm having a double battle in the giant chasm or when i'm battling the trainer with the focus punching machamp in black city.[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 04:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

==Icirrus Gym glitch==
Well, I found the actual glitch for the Icirrus gym glitch. However, since I had no access to a camcorder at the time, Zowayixx created a video. I later recorded my own glitch and put it on this page, but someone keeps reverting it back. I did discover that glitch.(see Zow's video description) [[User:Pupcakepup|Pupcakepup]] 15:36, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
:The discoverer is unimportant. Zowayixx's video doesn't have background noise, and yours reall isn't better than his in any way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
::Just in case you wanted a reference, I can confirm she did discover it. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 22:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

== Double battle glitch ==

I encountered this one glitch today in White, or so I think it's a glitch, and was wondering if it could be investigated into and maybe added. I was in a double battle, and both of my Pokemon had fainted on the exact same turn. I went to 'Shift' my Beartic out. But when I went to pick my second choice, which was a healthy Emboar, it wouldn't let me. I tried the other healthy Pokemon, and nothing. It kept telling me "____ cannot be sent out" despite them being perfectly healthy. In the end, it wouldn't let me send out anything, and I was basically just stuck there and forced to turn off the DS. So yeah, that's it. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 05:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
:I've also encountered this glitch (a lot) in my White (UK), put me right off the double battles. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 06:07, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
::From memory, I believe you have to select which Pokémon you wish to exchange it with. it isn't a glitch just a bit counter-intuitive. Basically, because both Pokémon have just fainted, if you just select Emboar, then it does not know which spot to put it in. Select a fainted Pokémon first, then you should be able to switch out (I know I was confused the first time as well)[[User:Dion24|Dion]][[User talk:Dion24|24]] 06:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, this has tricked a lot of people. It's not a glitch. If both Pokémon faint at the same time, you need to pick the Pokémon you are going to send in, then the Pokémon you are going to swap it for, then the Pokémon you are going to send in again. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:55, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Well, that certainly is counter-intuitive. I think I'm actually a bit more confused now, but whatever. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 03:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Mistralton gym glitch ==

There is a glitch in the mistralton gym: By shooting yourself using the second last cannon, you'll be thrown at the wall instead of the ground. You should try it yourself. [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]

Talk:Pikachu (Pokémon)

2011-08-29T14:58:54Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Trivia */

==Pika Pika ==

Dude, Pikachu looks *nothing* like a pika. Seriously. {{unsigned|Blackjack Gabbiani}}

It does in pictures I saw in National Geographic...[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 05:46, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not in any pictures I've ever seen. Pikas look more like nutrias to me. {{unsigned|Blackjack Gabbiani}}

I don't now what nutrias are, but I ''do'' know that Pikachu looks like a rabbit. {{unsigned|Pokencyclopedia}}

Regarding the name origin, I've been told that pikapika is an "expression for the brightness of gold", not simply just meaning sparkle. Can someone confirm? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 13:26, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It is a very broad sound symbolism for sparkle - from ''daiya-ga pikapika hikaru'' (diamonds sparkle) to ''pikapika-no kagu'' (well-polished furniture), from ''hoshi-ga pikapika hikaru'' (stars twinkle) to ''pikapika-no ichinensei'' (not even going to try to figure this one out). I suppose it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say "gold shines" using ''pikapika''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 14:48, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

''pikapika-no ichinensei''. Gah, I never wanted to hear that again. One company uses that almost like a motto in every one of their rather annoying ads. They're probably in some of the old encodes I did. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 01:13, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Is there any ''official'' source that states that its name comes from pikapika and not from the pika? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 00:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, Pikachu has the best name in my opinion, as it can have obvious meanings in both Japanese and English. As stated, Japanese has pikapika (sparkle) + chuchu (squeak). PLUS Pika (animal related to rabbit) and chu being homophonous to the English word "chew", like gnaw, as a rodent does. ^^ Official evidence or no, you have to admit it'd be some coincidence if the world's most popular Pokémon just happened to be the only one with such a perfectly suited name, neh? :3 [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 23:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Pika (the animal) is pronounced "pai-kuh", not "pee-kuh". The similarity in spelling is purely coincidental [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 22:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

==Location Table==

Pleae give feedback to the [[Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex]] discussion. [[User:Fabu-Vinny|Fabu-Vinny]] 12:49, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

== Bio ==

I added a whole Biology section! Feedback, please. [[User:Supermariorobot|Supermariorobot]] 05:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
: Try not to write as if the subject were in the real world - comparisons to real domestic pets are simply unnecessary; instead, compare to other Pokémon. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

==Kanto Native?==
I noticed that in the games, Pikachu can only be found "in the wild" in the Kanto Region. In GSC, Pikachu was only on Route 2 in Kanto, in RSE, it was only in the Safari Zone, which contained only "imported" Pokemon (that is, no Generation III Pokemon), and in DP, it's only in the Trophy Garden, a place that's basically confirmed to be importing Pokemon from other regions.

These "coincidences" lead me to believe that Pikachu is native to the Kanto Region, and its appearance everywhere else is due to humans bringing them to other locals.

Ignoring anamonlies like Pokemon Ranger, would it be a stretch to say that Pikachu are normally found only in Kanto as a piece of Trivia?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 19:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:What is your reason for ignoring Fiore? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 18:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
::I'd think it's Kanto-native, too, but yeah, Fiore brings up a problem. I do agree, though, that they plopped in in the Hoenn Safari Zone so that they could have an excuse to have it in the Hoenn Dex. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Because it's a "Side Game". And then you include the "wild" Pikachu in Mystery Dungeon, the Pikachu in Trozei!, and the "gift" Pikachu in PBR and Japanese Colosseum. Ranger also has Wild Starter Pokemon, Wild Fossils, and other anomolies, so I didn't include it. It was mostly a thought about the core RPGs. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 20:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Your anomolies don't mean much. The Trozei Pokémon are not wild, nor are the gift Pokémon. Orre only has nine wild Pokémon, none of which cause issues. Mystery Dungeon is set in a different dimension. However, Fiore is an established region with links to the world of the main RPGs. Starter Pokémon have to be found wild somewhere so being specific to Fiore where trainers are not found makes a lot of sense. The only fossil there is Aerodactyl, which is suitably found in an ancient area, not that fossils are that special any more.
::::You can mention that it is the case in the handheld main series but the side games still count in the canon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 00:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

== Vandal Alert! ==

This page has been vandalised and I don't know how to revert it! Please help! {{unsigned|Manga-in-a-bottle}}

;Don't worry, I reverted back to normal. I also told the admins to ban User:Deanpeps. --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 11:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

== TCG ==

Where is the '''In the TCG''' section? -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|Politoed]][[User talk:Politoed666|666]][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]

==Fly and Surf==

How can Pikachu learn fly and surf? I know Gameshark can but can anyone write something to show really how? [[User:Kiewzhenyi|Kiewzhenyi]] 15:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

IT CAN'T! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 17:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:There are special promo Pikachu that learn these moves, but there is no way to teach a Pikachu these on its own. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I know that it can only be obtained through promos. I think writing in a more detailed way, exactly how it is being obtained and events to obtain it in the article would be more helpful. [[User:Kiewzhenyi|Kiewzhenyi]] 13:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The TCG has a card called Flying Pikachu. The Pikachu has balloons tied around it, so that it could fly. Its attacks are Thundershock and Fly. {{unsigned|Metagross72}}

Old Glitch with the Yellow Pikachu. Use it in one of the two Stadiums through all eight battles in one of the cups and it can learn Surf. I personally have never been able to do it because I could never get my pika high enough to battle in the Cup, but I hear it can be done. Only method I know of. [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]22:51 Dec. 21, 2008
:That wasn’t a glitch, it only occurred in Stadium 1, it specifically had to be a Master Ball round, and any Pikachu would work… [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== GSC Tail ==

How is Pikachu's tail backwards in GSC? Could someone show me? I can't tell!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at the two backsprites, and compare it to those of RSE and DP. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but doesn't [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]]'s tail move around to different positions? Couldn't the staff use the excuse that the Pikachu turned its tail?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Of course. Same as the excuse to have Ash leave all of his Johto team at home before Hoenn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

:U don't need to be so rude about it!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh. In any case, it is quite apparent that they were trying to make the tail look more like a thunderbolt. ~ [[User:Zeofar|Zeofar]] 03:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sexist!? ==

The heart-shaped tail of the female Pikachu is criticized as being sexist? At least that's what a user put in the trivia section. I haven't heard of such a thing. Anyone else? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
:Don't you know? Heart-shaped ''anything'' is sexist. BAN LUVDISC UNTIL THEY TURN IT INO A CD-ROM! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::Now that you mention it... How could I have ever forgotten? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, I would have to agree with that sexist theory, using this spectrum of thought; what do we associate hearts with? Love and cuteness. Not all females are cut and love-obsessed, I can assure you that... ((Forgive me if that argument sounds somewhat incoherent, as I am somewhat sleep-deprived.)) --Deoxys Ribonuke
:Well, then I guess Heracross is sexist too then? As well as May's Bulbasaur. This is stupid, who ever brought that up? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I LUV PIKACHU - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Uiii|Uiii]] ([[User talk:Uiii|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Uiii|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:...that's nice, but how does this have to do with this topic or the main article? - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 02:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
You know, I was rather concerned at first because I though the heading said "sexiest"... [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 10:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
:Lol.Sexist is too harsh of a word for it[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]

I really don't think its that much of an issue.....--Pokelova 01:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Right. Who cares? [[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 01:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
::There are mad little kids who go on though... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm just compelled to point out the irony of posting in this topic two months later.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok...so? What do you think though?{{unsigned|Ht14}}
:::::The point is that it makes no sense to point out that sometimes people stay angry after the topic was dropped for two months.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu hasn't .... ==

Appeared at every movies.
How about the Legend of Thunder Pikachu didn't appear. {{unsigned|Justine53}}
: That is not a movie, that is a Pokémon Special for T.V only--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 06:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:: The Legend of Thunder! (Japanese: ポケットモンスタークリスタル・ライコウ　雷の伝説 Pocket Monsters Crystal: Raikou - Legend of Thunder) is a made-for-TV anime movie. it has movie in it.{{unsigned|Justine53}}
::: It's not really a movie seeing as it was only seen on T.V and/or DVD, Not in Cinemas (I think). --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 06:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
::::There are currently 11 (to be 12) Pokémon movies. ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', ''[[The Power of One]]'', ''[[Spell of the Unown]]'', ''[[Pokémon 4Ever]]'', ''[[Pokémon Heroes]]'', ''[[Jirachi: Wish Maker]]'', ''[[Destiny Deoxys]]'', ''[[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', ''[[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'', ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]'', and ''[[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''. ''[[To the Conquering of Space-Time]]'' isn't yet released, but when it is in July it will be #12. ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'' and ''[[The Legend of Thunder]]'' aren't movies. They're special episodes. In Japan, LOT and MR were covered in an hour, since LOT wasn't broken up by the morons at 4Kids over there. They were released in ''DECEMBER'', not ''JULY'', and DID NOT APPEAR IN JAPANESE MOVIE THEATERS. They aired on Thursday night at 7 like ''regular anime episodes'' for their debut. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

== How often has the species appeared in the anime... ==

...when it wasn't owned by Ash. In fact, was Sparky the most recent live Pikachu to appear? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:Uh...wasn't there a Pikachu named Sugar in [[DP024]]? ...but I think it was only a Pikachu in flashbacks. When it finally showed up it was a Raichu. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
::No, it wasn't seen in flashback, and did not appeared in the episode at all, as I recall. TTE's right, if we are to count only the live Pikachu. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 13:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well that's an interesting thing then. Another one's not been in the main anime since JOHTO. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu's clones slurred speech ==

It doesn't sound slurred to me. A little different from Ash's Pikachu's but not slurred [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Egg Moves ==

As for Pikachu with special moves (like Nintendo Power's Surfing Pikachu), can the event move be passed down to offspring? [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 15:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:Interesting question. I guess no. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:58, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== What!?? ==
What the heck is the "Codec Information" thing on there?? It is not useful at all. Like the one on the page for Red (game). --[[User:FlamingStop|FlamingStop]] 13:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
:In Super Smash Bros Brawl, Solid Snake has a taunt only available on Shadow Moses island where he contacts a friend and they talk about someone he is fighting. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Lucario, and Pokémon Trainer, being in Brawl, all have Codec Discussions centering on them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 13:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
::Yup. Thats true. Althought I never have got that thing to work. [[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Pikachu replacing Clefairy... ==

"Pikachu was not the original Pokémon mascot. It was supposed to be Clefairy, but this was changed because of the popularity of Ash's Pikachu."

This was stated in a interview? If someone has the source, I would like to see it.

And I wish that statement would be more specific. When was decided that Clefairy would be the mascot? Was it when that [[Pocket Monsters (manga)|crappy Pokémon manga]] proved successful in Japan? Or it was decided from the start, and the manga used Clefairy because of that? [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 22:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

How come the page has: [[File:Spr_4p_025_m.png]]

But <nowiki>025.png</nowiki> is:[[File:025.png]]

Who did dis?----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 17:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:I beat you to it...I did it while I was uploading the new custom sprites.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 18:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::CUSTOM? There supposed to be the real sprites!----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 14:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:::No...I meant I uploaded the Pikachu Sprite while I was uploading other custom sprites.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 18:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
::::At least it's fixed now, that wasn't even the second sprite! It has to be FROM THE GAME!----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 14:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Sprite in wrong place ==

The HGSS sprites are under DPPt. Why? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:The bottom row is the female version. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 18:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Pikachu? ==

I've herd that in a Wario World game, Wario had a treasure called the Pokémon Pikachu. Is this true? The game was for GameBoy Colour. [[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Uh, it's Wario ''Land''. Wario ''World'' has no such treasure. [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 17:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Light Ball in FR/LG? ==

This article says that wild Pikachu from Firered and Leafgreen can have lightballs. The item page says that only Pikachu from R/S/E/D/P/Pt can have lightballs. Has anyone definitely found a lightball in FR/LG? Cause I've been coveting like mad at the Power Plant and found none so far.--[[User:Gsnipe|Gsnipe]] 00:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Humorous Detail ==

"Although its Pokédex entry in Yellow states that a Pikachu will try to bite anyone that yanks its tail, Pikachu is unable to learn Bite.

* However, Ash's Pikachu has bitten him a few times in the anime. "

I didn't know a Pokémon needs to know Bite in order to bite you. Don't you think it's kinda silly to point out some thing any animal with can do regardless if it's a attack? [[User:roconza]]

== The stomach pouch ==

In the trivia, it states that "In Pokémon Red and Blue, Pikachu's sprite shows it having a yellow stomach pouch. This is never shown again in later generations" - But two things - 1. The same area was in Pikachu's Green sprite and it could just be shading. So, should that be removed? [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 08:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Nothing is over of belly to give it the shadow.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:41, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::Then we should basically say the same about Raichu. It's just color shading. We take most other sprite trivia off because this was just the first few years of their graphics, so why doesn't this get taken off for that reason? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 15:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Raichu is supposed to have a stomach pouch--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::It's not a pouch. It's just coloring. That's what I'm trying to tell you. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

== Cuteness ==

Brock states in "Showdown in Pewter City" that: "(Ash's) Pikachu is at his cutest stage. He cant win." Should this be added to the Physiology or trivia sections? {{unsigned|Grubdubdub}}

== Sprites ==

Is it worth noting that a shiny Pichu is the colour of a Pikachu and a shiny Pikachu is the colour of a Raichu, or is that too obvious to mention? --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy Appletree]] 05:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:I'd say Pikachu's shiny is more of a darkish gold then brown. I agree on the Pichu one though. However, this is sprite trivia, so there's a chance it won't be added.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:: That's why I asked on the talk page instead of adding it outright. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 07:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

== Light Ball Stats ==

I'm not sure if those '''Light Ball''' stats are correct. It says "5%" to capture a Pikachu holding a Light Ball, which should mean one in every 20. However, it took me to capture almost 40 in order to get a Light Ball. (38 captured to be exact, with 7 encounters that fled.) Wouldn't this mean that the chance of capturing a Pikachu with a Light Ball is less than 5%? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 13:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think the hold rates for wild hold items go below five percent. With 38 individuals if the rate is correct there is a chance of 0.00749 (3 sig. fig., If I did the maths right), or about 0.75% chance of that occurring. Unlikely, but you may have just been unlucky. Legendary Pokémon, Veekun, Psypoke and Marrilland all say it's five percent as well. If you have the patience, try it again. Another set of data will help determine if the results are skewed due to random chance, or if there is something wrong with the percentage. Also, just for the record, which game is this in and how/where are you catching them? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::I'll do it again some time. The results were worth it. I was playing Emerald and catching them in the Safari Zone. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 20:09, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

== Caught Pikachu ==

I used the Mew Glitch to catch another Pikachu in Pokemon Yellow... It's still refusing the Thunderstone. Do all Pikachu caught in Yellow refuse the Thunderstone, then?
[[User:Raikami|Raikami]] 21:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Considering it was a Glitch the game probaly wasnt programed to make another pikachu dus it counting as the same as the pikachu you first got. [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 13:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

In yellow, any pikachu that you obtained (you are the OT) is considered by the game as your starter pikachu, therefore exhibiting the same restrictions.[[User:Leafgreener in 2010|Leafgreener in 2010]] 22:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

== Pokéathlon Stats ==

On my copy of SS, I've captured 2 Pikachu. The first had the stats listed on the article, the second had different stats. Was it a slight bug in the game or does this need adding to the article? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 16:30, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:Those are the base stats. The actual stats are affected by [[nature]]. There are more details {{DL|Performance|Daily Pokéathlon performance stat changes|here}}. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:07, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Black And White Dream World ==

I couldn't help but notice that Pikachu's PBW sprite somewhat resembles the Platinum one. A recent screenshot is one of the less recent articles CURRENTLY on the home page of Serebii.net if anyone wants to go look, and it's been in videos on Pokemon Sunday too. - [[User:TommoPuppy|TommoPuppy]] 15:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'd think that would count as sprite trivia, which isn't allowed, or at the very least is extremely frowned upon. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::They recycled a lot of DPPt sprites. Just look at Gyarados, Charizard, and Scizor.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well in pikachu's sprite it apears that the gave a little edit on the ears on one frame of the animation, but it's still almost the same.--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 19:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pika+Pika=More Pika? ==

When ever I enter the viridian forest in Heart Gold with a Pikachu in the first slot of my party, then I find more Pikachus! Whenever I enter without a pikachu I find barely any! Why?--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 20:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's because of {{a|Static}}, Pikachu's ability. It increases the encounter rate of {{type2|Electric}}s. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Lean Mean Electric Machine ==

Pikachu has notably gotten thinner and thinner throughout the years, not just in the anime, but even in the games and manga. Is this mentioned anywhere? I mean other than Caterpie this is the only Pokémon that has drastically changed in the anime, games, AND manga. (In the case of Caterpie, Caterpie only changed in color slightly.) --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

==Trivia==
''Wild Pikachu are available in every region except [[Johto]] and [[Unova]]. A player would have to travel to Kanto in order to find wild Pikachu in [[Generation II]].''

This doesn't belong in the trivia section, it is already noted in the Pokedex and Habitat sections. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 06:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== animated images ==

Look I really like the new moving images for Black and White so I want to download some. But every time I try they are still! How can I download one that's still moving? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 02:25, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hmm, this happened to me too. To be honest I'm not sure. I haven't ever seen, let alone used, animated PNG images on any site other than this one. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 04:18, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Hong Kong name ==

Someone with knowledge of Chinese needs to come and change the romanization to make it in line with all the other articles, with the accents and not the little numbers. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 20:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Obtainability via Dream World ==

I highly doubt the claim that Pikachu or Pichu can be found on Dream World. Is there a source for this claim? [[User:Weixifan|Weixifan]] 01:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:Since no one has put forth any source for this claim or replied to this comment yet, I will remove the claim from the main article for the time being. If anyone has conclusive evidence that indeed some member of Pichu's evolutionary family can be found on the Dream World, please discuss here, and of course we will then put the claim back into the article. [[User:Weixifan|Weixifan]] 00:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

== Virus ==

There was a Pikachu computer virus. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikachu_virus There's information about it here] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jct72kV2sXk and here]. Pretty sure this should be noted somewhere. [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 20:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps this should go to BulbaNews?[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 04:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
::It can't go into Bulbanews because this thing was really old and created around the time when Pokemon was first introduced. It's more something that's better suited for trivia, but we cannot add trivia yet. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 04:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Could it be possible that Pikachu's name also comes from words 'pika' (ぴかぴか - sparkling) and 'chu' (中 - inside/throughout)? I'm not 100% sure about this, but it would make sense. --[[User:Buglaux|Buglaux]] 15:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"Prior to Generation V, Pikachu is one of the few Pokemon to be present in every Generation's regional dex."
Shouldn't this be added to the trivia? This also applies for Tentacool, Zoobat etc... [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]
:I don't think so. There is too many pokemon that this also applies to and we would have to add them to all the other articles. Plus there is a current ban on trivia so it's not gonna be added for a while. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 14:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
::There aren't too many: Pikachu , Tentacool, Zoobat, Magikarp, and their evolutions are the only Pokemons, and I don't think I missed others. [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]

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== Submission ==

I see you've taken {{m|Submission}} out of [[Ash's Charizard]]'s move template, but I think you shouldn't have done that: I've seen the Japanese version, and the command for Submission (the actual move) is also in there. Besides, I think what Ash said was "aerial Submission", not "Aerial Submission." --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] 13:07, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

:If I may butt in, I was thinking of raising the issue myself, having watched the episode today. Personally, I think that SnorlaxMonster has done the right thing, there is nothing to suggest that, like Counter attack/counterattack, Ash wasn't just telling Charizard to force a submission on Magmar. The producers wouldn't have '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 13:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

== Route 5 ==

I'm guessing you're the admin who closed the edit war over route 5, and it turned out in my favor, which isn't really my personal favor as much as it is common sense. The Liepards are never generated before the battle ensues, and any combination of Pokemon (species and gender) on that route can occur, so I have no clue why the person kept reverting it back to the "mated Liepards"

Long story short, thanks for ending the edit war.
(Is this even where I'm suppose to post this sort of thing?) {{unsigned|Johto-Master}}
:You are correct, it was me. I don't really understand why it would be that way either. Just note that in future, it is better to discuss the edit on the other user's talk page or the talk page of the article, or simply contact an admin to resolve the conflict. Edit warring like you did is not permitted, even with good intentions. To answer your final question, here is probably the best place to put that sort of thing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Al right, sorry. I use Bulbapedia a lot, but this was my first time I was compelled to edit anything, because it seemed insanely odd. This is also my first time dealing with the "User pages" and want to know how to customize a bar like the one on the right side of your profile that says you speak English and are an Atheist etc. Or is that for Admin's only?--[[User:Johto-Master|Johto-Master]] 13:01, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
::Nope, anybody can use it. You can't create a userpage until you are "autoconfirmed" though, which occurs after a secret number of edits and period of time. If you make a few more edits to Bulbapedia, you will be able to make one. [[Bulbapedia:Usertags|This page]] is specifically designed for helping users to use what we call "usertags" (what you were asking about). The {{bp|userspace policy}} also outlines the [[userspace]] in general. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Guess every time I'm compelled to fix something I will, but I don't see myself going out of my way for it.--[[User:Johto-Master|Johto-Master]] 13:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

== Random Pokémon using ==

Hi SnorlaxMonster, i was wondering if i could use your random Pokémon thing for my page, if that's okay with you. [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] 16:25, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
:Same. If so, thanks! ♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 16:47, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sure. To make it all you need to do is put <code><nowiki>{{User:SnorlaxMonster/Random}}</nowiki></code> on your page, and it will put it there for you. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== [[DP049]] needs some trivia added... ==

I'd add that the episode was [[Banned episodes#Banned episodes in other countries|skipped]] in [[wp:New Zealand|New Zealand]] for an unknown reason, but I can't, because the top says "Do not add any trivia" due to the high [[Pokémon Black and White Versions|BW]] server load. 
~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 16:07, 5 July, 2011 (EDT)
:It's not that I didn't see your request, I was just getting around to it. I feel that skipped episodes are rather important to be noted. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Can you edit [[Template:Dex|the Pokedex template]] so that entries from Pokemon Stadium 1 are recognised? [[Template talk:Dex#Japanese Dex entries, Red & Green entries, and Stadium entries (again)|I've left tons of posts on its talk page about this (as well as Red & Green and Japanese dex entries)]], but I've never had a reply. And the template is protected so only Admins can edit it. Apparently they were removed as the Dex entries were the same as the Game Boy ones, but that only applies to Pokemon Stadium 2. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU8n1ClE33Q Here's a youtube video confirming the dex entries], saves going onto every individual page. Cheers in advance. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

== Moves ==

As i told Cold, Confusion doesn't have the same effect and PP as Psychic, but still is considered the weaker version of the move. The thing i see the most, that makes Hurricane and Gust look alike is because of the Moves's similarities of the use of wind, and their names ( Real-life Hurricanes actually being very strong Gusts) [[User:Pokeand|Pokeand]] 17:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
:We talked about it, and decided that moves being weaker or more powerful versions of each other shouldn't be noted. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

==Video Requests==

Hi, Snorlax. I'm sorry to bother you, but I noticed that you said it was technically advertising. See, the thing is, I discovered that glitch, and I felt like I didn't receive the credit. If you looked at Zowayixx's video, it said that I discovered it, yet that it seemed that Bulbapedia was giving him the credit for it. Is there any way that we could still use his video but give me credit for finding his glitch? Thank you for your time.[[User:Pupcakepup|Pupcakepup]] 15:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Pike Wild Pokémon ==

Yes, the levels in Open Level only apply if at least one of your Pokémon is level 100. Basically, Seviper and Milotic are 4 levels weaker while Dusclops, Electrode, Breloom and Wobbuffet are 5 levels weaker.--[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] 17:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah, thought as much. What do you think of formatting it like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_Frontier_(Generation_III)&curid=4050&diff=1480244&oldid=1480085&rcid=1581045 that]? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:50, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

== New Signature? ==

How do you make a new signature, and how do you make it colorful? --[[User:YoshisWorld|YoshisWorld]] 23:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)YoshisWorld
:To change your signature, go to [[Special:Preferences]], and modify it in the box which is labelled "New Signature". To make it colorful, you need to add <code><nowiki>TEXT</nowiki></code>, with the text you want to make colorful in place of "TEXT", and either the hexadecimal value of the color where the word color is. You can get hexadecimal colors from color templates like {{template|Normal color}}, but you cannot put the template itself into your signature, as templates are not permitted in signatures. See the code used in my signature (by editing without saving) for more help -> [[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Move's description. ==

I guess you forgot about [[Template talk:MoveInfobox#Description|this]], since I have no reply to it. And no idea where I could place that section you mentioned. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 07:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks for reminding me. Feel free to leave your opinion [[User talk:SnorlaxMonster/Sandbox/movedesc|here]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Bulbanews ==

Can you (or anyone else reading this who's bored and wants to try something really new) do me a huge favour and take care of the Danish article on Bulbanews right now? I know you're really busy over here but I really don't have any time right now. It needs a bit of a rewrite to make sense and the form seems to be mostly incomplete :/ Sorry to give you a mess. Thanks in advance. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:Suggestion: combine all the M13 DVD release articles. I would, but I got a headache. I might mess up something :D [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 10:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::That's a good idea. (And I don't mind if you mess up provided the site doesn't crash. Also, don't move or redirect any of the existing ones.) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:::You caught me AFK. Well, if tc isn't doing it due to his headache, I'll go do it now. And I like that idea of merging it with the other DVD article too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Template help needed ==

I've noticed you're good with templates, so I was wondering if you could help me with [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Vuvuzela2010/Template:MvAnime a template I created on the archives]? I'm trying to fix it so that it would say, for example, ''Ash's Bulbasaur using Leech Seed in the anime''. But I don't know how I would add the entry for the trainer in. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:I still doesnt appear to be working unfortunately, for example if I type in
::<nowiki>{{User:Vuvuzela2010/Template:MvAnime|Ash|Pikachu|Thunder|the anime|type=Electric}}</nowiki>
:it ends up saying ''Ash using Pikachu in the anime'', and if I instead replace it with
::<nowiki>{{User:Vuvuzela2010/Template:MvAnime|Ash's Pikachu|Thunder|the anime|type=Electric}}</nowiki>
:it does say ''Ash's Pikachu using Thunder in the anime'', but it links to ''Ash's Pikachu (Pokémon)''. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
::I'm actually going to create a demo on the talk page for you. I agree, it is a good idea. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I will also need some template help as well for [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Pattyman/Template:AbilityAnime mine] to see if I am doing it right. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, I've got a whole bunch of examples [[a:User talk:Vuvuzela2010/Template:MvAnime|here]]. I also forgot to include the "trainerlink" parameter, whose function is obvious.
::::Regarding that Abilities template, I would just paste the code from the old one, and change move terms to Ability terms. However, Abilities don't have types, so something would need to go in place of what is currently a TM. At best, I would suggest {{bag|Ability Urge}}, but there is probably a better option. I would rather not use an anime image, due to the sheer size.
::::Also, we could probably set both of these templates up to work with the manga too, just with a simple third parameter (so no "<name>=") which is either "anime" or the name of the manga, such as "Pokémon Adventures". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:::For both of the templates, what about the Pokémon that is in the image but is not using the attack such as [[James's Carnivine]] in the [[a:File:Sudowoodo Rock Head.png|the Rock Head image]] and a {{p|Starmie}} in [[a:File:Ash Bulbasaur Tackle.png|the Tackle image]]. The same will apply if there are more than two Pokémon in the image. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 04:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
::::I felt that it didn't need to be in the summary. Basically, you would just add <nowiki>[[Category:Carnivine]]</nowiki> to it as well as the template. We don't currently mention them in the summaries anyway. I mean, I could code it in, but what if there were multiple targets? Which reminds me, some moves have multiple users (such as [[a:File:Victreebel Arbok Tackle.png]]); I would suggest just putting the template on twice. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

== About splitting the Battle Frontier articles... ==

What??? Don't tell me that you'd prefer to have a bunch of stubs instead of two very organized, high quality articles. Besides, ''this was already discussed before'':
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Battle_Frontier_%28Generation_IV%29/Sinnoh#Seperate_articles]
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Battle_Frontier_%28Generation_IV%29/Featured_article_candidate#Other_comments]
I believe that it's ridiculous to turn two ''featured articles'' into lists of links to short stubs about the facilities.--[[User:Tempest370|Tempest370]] 18:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
:Stubs? You must be joking. Those articles are huge. Each section is big enough for its own article. Plus, if we did, it would make it a lot easier to add the anime and manga sections to both the individual facilities and the overall frontier. It's consistent with what we usually do as well; for example: [[Department Store]]s, [[Game Corner]]s, [[Trainer House]], [[Passerby Analytics HQ]], [[Big Stadium and Small Court]], [[Battle Subway]]—all of which are articles about facilities (not necessarily battle facilities) in other locations which are too important to be a part of their location's article.
:If we were to split them, the Gen III Battle Frontier's Battle Tower would be merged with [[Battle Tower (Hoenn)]], and the Gen IV one with [[Battle Tower (Sinnoh)]] (not [[Battle Tower (Johto)]] though, because these are being done by Generation). The [[List of wild Pokémon in the Battle Pyramid]] would become part of the Battle Pyramid article. I agree that the Battle Palace has a very short section at the moment, and in its current state it would be a stub, but there is plenty of information that ''can'' be added to it.
:Also, there is plenty of non-facility content on the Frontier pages. If they can't hold up a featured article without the facilities crammed in there, then they shouldn't be featured anyway. They look like 5/7 articles forced onto one page.
:The fact is that the more pages which should be separate which you cram into one, the information is omitted due to the size of the page. They were "discussed" over two years ago—we are looking at more complete, information-packed pages than before. Also, I don't consider "Should we do this?" "Nah." to be a discussion. If it had really been discussed, those sections would actually have more than two comments. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::Plus they kind of need some in depth anime and manga info...*cough* [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 08:40, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm not really sure which way you are arguing, but I agree. Splitting them will open up the anime and manga sections, and make it clear that both information on the individual facilities and the frontier as a whole is required. When you have anime and manga subsections throughout an article, you can tell it is time to split. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Why Did You Revert Me? ==

? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 05:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
:It's one of only four Dragon-type pseudo-legendary Pokémon. It would be notable if they were all Dragon-type, but when two of them aren't, it isn't really notable. Also, you shouldn't be adding trivia anyway; see the top of every page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:59, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
::Apologies about the second point, didn't realize that was still in effect. The second point though is just confusing since the pseudo-legendary page already notes the exact point I added to the Hydreigon page. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 06:01, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I removed from that page too, after discussing with a few other admins. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:21, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

== Questions about a Gen II Glitch ==

I found out about '''[http://www.glitcher.net/shiny-pokemon-glitch1106.htm this] glitch''' which occurs in the Japanese versions of Gold and Silver, and I noticed that the 'Pedia doesn't have an article about it. I was going to write an article for it, but I got kinda confused about the whole thing; so I thought I would firstly ask to see if you or indeed anyone on the Project Glitchdex team know anything about this and might be able to offer some thoughts/advice on how to write an article on it.

Firstly, and very importantly: what would an article on this glitch be called? The link above refers to it as a 'Shiny Glitch'; however, it can occur without any [[Shiny Pokémon]] involved in it whatsoever ('creating' shiny Pokémon is just a popular use for the glitch). It wouldn't be a [[Pokémon cloning|'cloning glitch']], seeing as it doesn't create '''perfect copies''' of Pokémon data. I was thinking then of calling it a 'Bug Catching Contest glitch'; but I'm not sure if that seems right either?

Secondly, after performing the glitch I'm not sure of its **exact** effect. The Pokémon data created is of the same species as the Pokémon that was in second, but its name and stats are different to that Pokémon; and the new Pokémon data has the same moveset as the Pokémon that was in last position, and will be shiny if the Pokémon in last was shiny. Does that mean, then, that the new data inherits the [[individual values|IVs]] of the Pokémon that was last in the party?

Do you have knowledge of this glitch, and how an article on it might be written? (Or, if it is the case, if the article should '''not''' be written?) '''[[Special:Contributions/ShiningSteelix|***]][[User talk:ShiningSteelix|shiningSteelix***]]''' 19:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks for mentioning this. I think [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4D6wJGGqZA this video] is the same glitch (if it is not, then please let me know, but it is as far as I can tell). The user of that Youtube account, {{u|Chickasaurus}}, has videos on several glitches Bulbapedia does not yet document. I do intend to get around to writing them, but I tend to try to do too many things at once. Since this one was brought up though, I'll go write it now. Also, for simplicity's sake, I'm going to use Chickasaurus's name for it too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:19, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi. This glitch seems to have been around since years ago, but with a slightly erroneous description. There seem to be two copies of the glitch on that site; this is the right one [http://www.glitcher.net/turn-any-pok%C3%A9mon-into-gold-and-duplicate-items-japanese-version-only-glitch95.htm], albeit [http://www.glitcher.net/shiny-pokemon-glitch1106.htm the other slightly erroneous description] mentioned seems to be more widespread. I've seen the latter on really early websites predating 'glitcher.net', and it seems like it's been spread without people really checking it.

To clarify, the glitch only works in Japanese {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} because you can't {{m|Fly}} away from the [[Bug-Catching Contest]] in English versions, which is probably the cause for some of the confusion. Even though this is called a Shiny Pokémon glitch, what the glitch does is basically use a donor Pokémon (like the red Gyarados) and copies its properties to another Pokémon when you withdraw it at the Bug Catching Contest, meaning you could use it for anything really (e.g. to teach an [unstable] Pikachu Surf and Fly). Since you deposited your recipient Pokémon, this means you can also get your original back and keep the new hybrid Pokémon you receive. The glitch is an exploit of being able to escape the Bug-Catching Contest and tricking the game into thinking you're still in the contest, which is why if you walked back in after walking out, saying NO to come back in then Flying away the game would force you to walk down into the void when you walk back into the entrance as if you were trying to walk out from the north.

The trick is to deposit the donor last, perform the exploit, deposit a target Pokémon underneath it, save then return after a few minutes after the contest has finished. For some reason or another, the game lets you withdraw an unstable hybrid of the Pokémon above the Pokémon you last deposited. This glitch does not copy just DVs, but everything including the name, stats, moves, etc. It copies one byte of the species, but not the other so it's basically an unstable hybrid of the original Pokémon. If you deposit it into Day Care, it will revert back into the original Pokémon, so I believe the trick is to evolve it to stabilize the Pokémon (e.g. use a stone), however the glitch will work regardless of the Pokémon used provided that you're using the Japanese version. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 12:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
: Thanks muchly for the clarifications on this glitch <=).
I went ahead and wrote the [[Bug-Catching Contest data copy glitch|article]] now, based on the discussion here and {{tt|my own knowledge of the glitch|I have translated copies of the Japanese versions of Gold and Silver myself}}; and I'm getting 'round to linking it to the other relevant glitch pages. But still, of course, feel to edit the article in any way needed; in particular, a possible explanation as to why the glitch occurs and maybe some images (if possible) may be helpful... '''[[Special:Contributions/ShiningSteelix|***]][[User talk:ShiningSteelix|shiningSteelix***]]''' 21:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== Arbok ==

Good afternoon.

Is [[a:File:Pokémon_Adventures_Arbok_patterns.jpg|this file]] necessary? The four patterns shown were already uploaded to the Archives. I removed it from [[Form differences]]. It's OK if you put back, but please don't undo my edition, I also changed other stuff. '''|) u |( e''' 20:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:I thought of something, the image you uploaded would be even in larger size. Tell me if you like it:

[[File:Pokémon Adventures Arbok patterns.jpg|230px|thumb|right|Arbok's patterns as discribed in Pokémon Adventures]]
:* The [[Generation I]] [[Pokédex]] entries for {{p|Arbok}} state that there are six variations of markings on its belly that differ between [[region]]s. The pattern has differed in sprites; however, this is dependent on the game the Pokémon is in, rather than the game in which it was caught. In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, Arbok's abilities vary depending on its pattern.
:{|
|-
!align="left"|Arbok's known patterns
|-
|
<gallery>
File:024Arbok.png|Most known chest pattern
File:024Arbok RG.png|Second chest pattern
File:First Dark Arbok TCG.png|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Arbok|2}} by [[Mitsuhiro Arita]] ([[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG]])
File:Agatha Arbok Adventures.png|Speed pattern (Pokémon Adventures)
File:Agatha Arbok attack Adventures.png|Attack pattern (Pokémon Adventures)
File:Agatha Arbok invulnerability Adventures.png|Invulnerability pattern (Pokémon Adventures)
</gallery>
|}

:'''|) u |( e''' 20:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::I didn't upload that image. I'm a little confused, but here is my opinion on the matter. I would give Arbok a subsection under the "other Pokémon" section. I'll do it soonish, when I have time. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Okay, good idea. Arbok has even more differences, like 10 fangs and forked tongue with the first pattern and 4 fangs and pointed tongue with the other. It's enough for a subsection IMO. Thanks. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] 02:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::I don't know if you have access to images of those, but if you do they would be nice to include in the article as well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:37, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::I uploaded larger pics of the Sugimori arts, where those are visible. However, I realized the first pattern varies in the number of teeth (10 in the art, 12 in the anime, 4 in the games). I'll try to mention it properly in the article. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] 05:29, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

== Totally random subject. ==

As far as I know, there will be event(like/-ish [cross the wrong "answer"] stuff) in my country at August 20th... After reading information, I guess it will be the one that activates [[Ilex Forest shrine]] event... [http://www.pokemony.com/news-1221-Dzien-Pokemonow-w-Warszawie] (I'll guess you do not speak nor read in Polish :p). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:51, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Go ahead and report it on Bulbanews. Austalia still hasn't gotten that Celebi. No, I don't speak Polish. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

== Pardon? ==
What do you mean can't sort it? I just thought it would be easier to view the cards if you could jump to the appropriate section ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 04:25, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
:I put class="sortable" on it, so if you click the buttons it sorts it by different columns.I can set up anchors in the template so you can link to individual card entries if you want, like on the item pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

== Thyme ==

It's really a shame that he was deleted. We have much more minor characters covered in articles. And this one was pretty interesting. Also, what if he appears in the manga/anime? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:30, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:If that happens, then he will get an article. Practically every named anime character has an article. And we really shouldn't have more minor game characters have articles. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:32, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry to use your topic Maxim, but this is something I was also thinking of. SnorlaxMonster, if a character has an '''important''' role in a canon (such as Adventures) but doesn't appear in the games, neither was given a name, can an article be made for he/she? I think it would be accepted, based on these two: [[Trainer (EP248)]]; [[Arnold's mother]].
::P.S.: Maxim, I think Thyme should me mentioned somewhere, maybe the admins would approve a mention in the [[Opelucid City]] article. (maybe even a redirect) [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] 23:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I would just make a section on [[Opelucid City]] too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

== Assist ==

Are you saying that Sneasel and Chimchar can only have Assist as an egg move in HGSS, and not DPPt? [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreenCharizard]] 04:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:Yes. Sneasal and Chimchar will not know Assist if the father does in DPPt, but will in HGSS. Also, we only include Pokémon that learn it via level up and can be a father, so Delcatty should not be listed since it does not learn it, only Skitty does. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::Fine, but the reason for the confusion was because of the fact that it was messed up in the first place. And I fixed it. Also, if we're only supposed to list Pokémon by level up, then why is it that on multiple Pokémon pages that I have looked at, under their specific breeding info, this isn't true? Example:Jolteon is listed under Sneasel's page as being able to pass on Bite. [[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreenCharizard]] 04:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, that's the way it is supposed to be, but unfortunately a lot of Pokémon pages use a different standard to the move pages. They should all use that standard, where only Pokémon that can father the Pokémon and learn it via level up should be listed. If it can only be passed on by chain breeding or Pokémon which learned it in a previous generation, they should be listed, and that fact should be noted. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:49, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

== Questions ==

Hi SnorlaxMonster!

I have a few questions. Remember when you replied to me on [[User talk:PsychicRider|PsychicRider's talk page]] about the template for the regions. I asked you if it was okay to move Orre, but I'm not sure if you saw it.

My next question is about the Pokémon released by date. I have created one for [[User:Han Ji-Wan/Pokémon by release date (Generation IV)|Generation IV]]. I just want to know if a Pokémon was revealed at a gaming conference (like Kecleon at the PokeFesta event), is that considered an official reveal or leaked? I have a few more questions about other Pokemon's reveal, but can't remember, so I will ask you again once I do.

Also, how do we get all 3 pages (3rd, 4th, and 5th generations) mainspaced? It would probably be better if we combined all three generations into one article, but I want to hear your input. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 02:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry for the delay in my reply; I saw it yesterday, then Bulbapedia was down (even checked with [http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ this]) when I tried to reply.
:Anyway, I think the Main/Side/Spin-off needs to happen. After that quote from Masuda, nobody disagreed, but nobody has actually bothered to do much about it. For it to actually happen, we need to work on getting [[version]] moved to [[main series]], and the creation of a separate [[side series]] page. Anyway, after I left that message on your talk page, psy talked to me about it, and his main problem was the format rather than the intent.
:For my Gen V one, I was pretty much going by what Bulbapedia/news did. I would say that if it revealed officially like Zoroark was, appears with a name and art (even in a leaked magazine scan), appears in the anime, or by the game they are in being released, with them available without glitches or cheating. I don't really know the circumstances of PokéFesta. Was it revealed by people playing a demo version, or was it announced there?
:I never really intended for the pages to be separate. Go ahead and add your data if you want, but keep them in separate sections. Also, I would prefer having links on the dates, even if it means linking to Serebii. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

== Hi there ==

What do you think: [[User:Sui/History of Poké Balls]], mainspaceable? cheers ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 09:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
:I'm liking it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:51, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

== Username ==

Someone just sign up with the username Dawnhavesexwithme, is that allowed? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 13:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
:Nope, that's not allowed. Thanks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
::Not a problem [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 13:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

== Template Approval ==

So, did the [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Vuvuzela2010/Template:MvAnime two] [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Pattyman/Template:MvAnime templates] get approved? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 18:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:I brought them up when I said I would, and a few people liked them, but also said it would be a lot of work. I'll see if I can get something happening after the Archives get unlocked. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

== [[User talk:SnorlaxMonster/Sandbox/movedesc|Move description template]] ==

Added a note (in 2 edits... Goddammit my mouse :/) after some further research. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 08:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Are you alive? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 10:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:OK, responded on that page. And that second question sounds really weird in English (I know English is not your first language). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

== Userboxes ==

Hello, I'm new here (I joined a few months earlier but never got to edit here). Can you tell me if I can use userboxes? If yes can you give me a list of them? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]

Talk:Pikachu (Pokémon)

2011-08-29T14:23:18Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Trivia */ new section

Talk:Triple Battle

2011-08-29T12:35:18Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Number of Triple battles */ new section

== Debut ==

Shouldn't the article at least mention that the concept of three vs three battles first made its appearance in the 'spin-off' arcade game, [[Pokémon Battrio]]? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 00:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

: At this point in time, we have no real information on how triple battles work apart from "they are battles where you send out three Pokémon". The article in question likely isn't going to exist for a while. Maybe once it gets created, we can consider adding it in. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 00:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

:: I don't get what you mean by 'article in question isn't going to exist for awhile', as the Triple Battles article, this one, has been created. What we do know is that in triple battle, it is three against three, a concept first introduced by Battrio. That is pretty much what it is, a three on three battle, which was how it was in Battrio and apparently in Gen V. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 01:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::She means that a user created it to get around the protection of the other two spellings...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Also, when the page protection ends and the page is properly made, we will most likely add that trivia. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not convinced that it would be considered trivia. I know Battrio is just a spin-off title, but it was still the first to introduce the very concept of three vs three battles. It seems too much of a given fact to me to be considered mere trivia. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 01:12, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I do believe that when something side games exclusive is integrated in main series it is noted...I think...If not, it should probably be noted...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:14, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::I don't mind if it's given a very small mention in the front paragraph, it's just too much of a fact to be put in trivia, in my opinion. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 01:15, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That works too...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::::In reply to Mudkipchan's quote, I personally think that triple battles will work just like double battles, where Pokemon with highest speed go first, etc., except with three Pokemon. I thought I'd give my two cents. [[User:Alebcay|Alebcay]] 23:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)alebcay

==Redirect==
This page should link to [[Double battle#Triple battle]], as it is currently a double redirect. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Number of Triple battles ==

This page doesn't list the amount of triple battles. Can anyone tell me how many there is? And isn't triple battles showcased more in Pokemon white? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] 12:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Audino (Pokémon)

2011-08-29T11:48:49Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Exp yielding */

==Type==
I thought it was said somewhere that Tabunne was a Normal-type. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii says apparently, PokéBeach seems certain, blog says nothing is known about type. I guess it would be alright to put the type on, as it is still in the userspace. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

==Image==
Which one is Tabunne? Could you put it in the caption of the picture? [[User:Theviolinkid|Theviolinkid]] 18:55, 11 August 2010 (UTC)Theviolinkid
:Tabunne is the right opponent. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:28, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

==Origin==
Tabunne might be based off a goat. I know goats aren't bipedal, but it looks like a baby goat to me. If you look closely you see what appear to horns near its ears and a bell hanging on its right ear. I'm '''not''' saying put "Tabunne appears to be based off a goat", I'm just bringing up a point here. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 03:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it's best to just wait till we can see a clearer image first

I can't see the goat resemblance [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

It kinda reminds me of a koala, particularly the coat pattern and ear and general body shape. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 06:24, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== The moment we get official art ==

This is mainspaced. Try to find the official art. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

um....ok? isn't that how it usually works when we have all the info...is the art out or something? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

No, the art is not out. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 23:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Coro Coro leak gave us art of this and many others. Is it mainspacing time? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
::Like he said, the moment we get official art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 06:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:::We have official art (it just needs to be [[a:User talk:Maverick Nate#New Pokémon images 2|extracted]]). So that means mainspacing time. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:59, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Hearing VS Healing ==

It's Pokedex entires suggest Hearing...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, ヒヤリング　(''hiyaringu'') refers to hearing, not to healing. I even found it in a dictionary. [[User:Erik10081989|Erik10081989]] 12:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Nurse/Doctor Origin ==

Clearly this Pokemon was based more on humans than a specific animal, similarly to the Happiny - Chancey - Blissey line, except it was inspired by a doctor or nurse using a stethoscope. I am going to re-add that to the page, and until someone finds a better origin (which I don't see happening any time soon), I believe it is a valid point and should be on the page. {{unsigned|CoolDudeAl}}

== Breeding Table ==

The chart says that Tabunne can learn moves by breeding via the Chansey family... how is that possible with an all-female species?
[[User:Falchiar|Falchiar]] ( [[User_talk:Falchiar|talk page]] ) 19:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
:Corrected. It is not obviously possible.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 19:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

== Audino vs Albino ==
Whenever I hear the name, I think of the color. It's not entirely albino, but its undersides are, and the two are spelled very similarly. Any thoughts?[[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 05:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It looks nothing like that....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== Removed 'leporid' origin ==

I have no idea where leporid came from, as Audino definitely doesn't look like any of them. Buneary and Lopunny are examples of leporid-based pokemon, but since it doesn't look like it, I'm removing it. And facilitating discussion since the last one just got erased with no explanation. [[User:Salix|Salix]] 06:48, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Linking this for koala: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Friendly_Female_Koala.JPG Similarities were already noted above, but I'll repeat anyway: coat pattern, body shape, ear shape. All that's lacking are accessories: dangly things from the ears and the tail.

As for leporids, they have nothing visually in common besides maybe the tail. Sensitive ears are found all over the animal kingdom and are thus hardly exclusive, besides which their purpose for Audino is to aid it in nursing. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 02:43, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
* Audino is on practically every route. Rabbits are practically everywhere, Koalas are not. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 05:25, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
** ...what? That's stupid. Where a Pokemon is found has nothing to do with its basis. --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 13:54, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== German name origin ==

I don't speak German much, but I think ''Ohrdoch'''s got something to do with [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/doch#German "doch"]. It seems to be somewhat similar to Japanese "tabun ne", but I'm not sure... Any thoughts? --[[User:Hohoo|Hohoo]] 17:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

== Name Origin... ==

''"I dunno."'' This has to be the most ridiculous name origin I have come across. Well I dunno where this could have come from. Does anyone else? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 07:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

All of its names are a play on words. Its Japanese name, as can be read in the article, is a play on 'tabun ne', meaning 'maybe'. Its English name is a play on 'I dunno'. All origins are words connected to doubt, and that's where 'I dunno' comes from. Not so ridiculous after reading the article, really. [[User:SpeedSuicune|SpeedSuicune]] 18:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

== Exp yielding ==

Whenever I play my Pokemon White, whenever I defeat an Audino, it's exp yielding varies. e.g when a level 39 Pokemon defeats a level 17 Audino it gives about 400-500 exp, but a Pokemon of lower level than 39 yields more than 800 exp. Does this happens to anyone else? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]] 11:38, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:Starting in Generation V, the difference between the levels of the Pokémon affects the amount of experience gained. For a full explanation, see [[experience]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:42, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks I just bought the game. [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]

Talk:Audino (Pokémon)

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Simipour (Pokémon)

2011-08-28T17:11:38Z

Flygonfanno1: /* Origin */

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=water | prevnum=515 | nextnum=517 | prev=Panpour | next=Munna }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Simipour |
jname=ヒヤッキー|
tmname=Hiyakkie |
size=170px|
art=BW |
ndex=516 |
udex=022 |
typen=1 |
type1=Water |
species=Geyser|
height-ftin=3'03" |
height-m=1.0 |
weight-lbs=63.9 |
weight-kg=29.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Gluttony |
abilityd=Torrent |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Field|
eggcycles=20|
expyield=174 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
gendercode=31|
color=Blue|
catchrate=75|
evsp=2|
body=06 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
}}
'''Simipour''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ヒヤッキー''' ''Hiyakkie'') is a {{type2|Water}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s from {{p|Panpour}} when exposed to a {{evostone|Water Stone}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Simipour is a Water-type primate-like Pokémon that is primarily blue in coloration. It has crests on its head similar to {{wp|dreadlocks}} and broad ears to the sides of it. These ears are ringed with the darker blue of its body, and the inside part is a light robin's egg blue. Simipour also have a cream-colored face, chest, hands, arms, legs, and feet. Its torso is white on top and blue on the bottom, and its tail is cream colored with a blue plume, resembling a spout of water.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
It has the ability to store water in its hair. When its supply is dwindling it siphons water with its tail for more. Its tail can also shoot pressurized water which is powerful enough to destroy walls of concrete. It and its pre-evolution are the [[Signature move|only Pokémon]] to learn {{m|Scald}} via level up.

===Behavior===
When the stored water is dwindling, it supplies more by siphoning water with its tail.

===Habitat===

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

====Other====

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Simipour (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=water
|gen=5
|blackdex=The tuft on its head holds water. When the level runs low, it replenishes the tuft by siphoning up water with its tail.
|whitedex=The high-pressure water expelled from its tail is so powerful, it can destroy a concrete wall.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=water |
gen=5 |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Panpour}} |
}}

====In side games====

===Stats===

====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Water|
HP=75|
Attack=98|
Defense=63|
SpAtk=98|
SpDef=63|
Speed=101}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=water|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Simipour|Water|Water|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Lick|Ghost|Physical|20|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Fury Swipes|Normal|Physical|18|80|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Simipour|Water|Water|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Simipour|Water|Water|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM47|Low Sweep|Fighting|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM55|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM62|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM05|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM06|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Simipour|Water|Water|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Simipour|Water|Water|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|086|Seel}}{{MSP|087|Dewgong}}{{MSP|134|Vaporeon}}|Aqua Ring|Water|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|086|Seel}}{{MSP|087|Dewgong}}{{MSP|418|Buizel}}{{MSP|419|Floatzel}}{{MSP|501|Oshawott}}{{MSP|502|Dewott}} {{MSP|503|Samurott}}|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|050|Diglett}}{{MSP|051|Dugtrio}}{{MSP|190|Aipom}}{{MSP|424|Ambipom}}{{MSP|203|Girafarig}}{{MSP|234|Stantler}} {{MSP|293|Whismur}}{{MSP|294|Loudred}}{{MSP|295|Exploud}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|320|Wailmer}}{{MSP|321|Wailord}} {{MSP|352|Kecleon}}|Astonish|Ghost|Physical|30|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|216|Teddiursa}}{{MSP|217|Ursaring}}{{MSP|263|Zigzagoon}}{{MSP|264|Linoone}}{{MSP|287|Slakoth}} {{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}|Covet|Normal|Physical|60|100|40||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|505|Watchog}}{{MSP|559|Scraggy}}{{MSP|560|Scrafty}}|Low Kick|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|054|Psyduck}}{{MSP|055|Golduck}}{{MSP|134|Vaporeon}}{{MSP|320|Wailmer}}{{MSP|321|Wailord}}{{MSP|393|Piplup}} {{MSP|394|Prinplup}}{{MSP|395|Empoleon}}{{MSP|501|Oshawott}}{{MSP|502|Dewott}}|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|120|80|5||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|194|Wooper}}{{MSP|195|Quagsire}}{{MSP|220|Swinub}}{{MSP|221|Piloswine}}{{MSP|473|Mamoswine}}{{MSP|263|Zigzagoon}} {{MSP|264|Linoone}}{{MSP|529|Drilbur}}{{MSP|530|Excadrill}}|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|038|Ninetales}}{{MSP|052|Meowth}}{{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|190|Aipom}}{{MSP|424|Ambipom}}{{MSP|228|Houndour}} {{MSP|229|Houndoom}}{{MSP|275|Shiftry}}{{MSP|390|Chimchar}}{{MSP|461|Weavile}}{{MSP|509|Purrloin}}{{MSP|510|Liepard}} {{MSP|570|Zorua}}{{MSP|571|Zoroark}}|Nasty Plot|Dark|Status|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|234|Stantler}}|Role Play|Psychic|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|190|Aipom}}{{MSP|424|Ambipom}}{{MSP|572|Minccino}}{{MSP|573|Cinccino}}|Tickle|Normal|Status|—|100|20||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Simipour|Water|Water|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Simipour|water|water|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Simipour|water|water|5|5}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Simipour|water|water|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|515|Panpour|||||Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|515|Panpour|||||Water Gun|Water|Special|40|100|25|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|515|Panpour|||||Water Sport|Water|Status|—|—|15}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|515|Panpour|||||Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|515|Panpour|||||Brine|Water|Special|65|100|10|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|515|Panpour|||||Recycle|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|515|Panpour|||||Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|515|Panpour|||||Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Simipour|water|water|5|5}}

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=515
|name1=Panpour
|type1-1=Water
|evotype1=Stone
|evostone1=Water Stone
|sprite2=516
|name2=Simipour
|type1-2=Water}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=water |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Simipour |
ndex=516 |
}}

==Trivia==
[[File:516Simipour old.png|thumb|right|Simipour's old artwork]]
* Simipour, along with {{p|Simisage}} and {{p|Simisear}}, and their respective pre-evolutions, are the only non-[[starter Pokémon]] that can have a starter Pokémon-exclusive [[ability]]. In Simipour and {{p|Panpour}}'s case, this is {{a|Torrent}}.
* Simipour and {{p|Panpour|its pre-evolution}} are the only Pokémon capable of learning {{m|Scald}} by level-up.
* Simipour's Sugimori art previously showed its entire tail to be completely blue instead of tan with a blue tip.

===Origin===
Simipour is based on a {{wp|monkey}} and a {{wp|fountain}}; because of this, it may have been inspired by the water dwelling, monkey-like creature {{wp|Ahuizotl (creature)|Ahuizotl}} or may be a visual pun on {{wp|Sea-Monkeys}}. The ability to store water in its hair may also reference the {{wp|Kappa (folklore)|Kappa}}, a Japanese reptilian {{wp|yōkai}} that stores water on a dish of sorts on it head. Its chest fur resembles that of a {{wp|volcano}} and may have possibly been based on {{wp|geyser}}s, {{wp|subaqueous volcano}}es, {{wp|cryovolcano}}es or the Guatemalan {{wp|Volcán de Agua}}. Its chest fur may otherwise possibly represent the froth of a gushing {{wp|waterfall}}, with its blue locks symbolizing the waterfall.
It, along with its two contemporaries, seem to inspired by the {{wp|three wise monkeys}} motif; with its eyes closed, Simipour represents "see no evil".

====Name origin====
Simipour may come from {{wp|simian}} and "''pour''". Hiyakkie is possibly derived from 冷や ''hiya'' meaning cool water, and from {{wp|monkey}}. It may also come from the word けっき ''kekki'' meaning vigor.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Water color dark}}; background: #{{Water color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Water color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Sodachita
| From ''Soda'' and ''{{wp|Cheeta}}''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Flotoutan
| From {{tt|''flotte''|float}} and {{tt|''orang-outan''|orangutan}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 앗차키 ''Aschaki''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 冷水猿 ''Lěngshuǐyuán''
| From {{tt|冷水 ''lěngshuǐ''|cold water}} and {{tt|猿 ''yuán''|ape}}.
|}
|-
|}
 


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | type=water | prevnum=515 | nextnum=517 | prev=Panpour | next=Munna }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}



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