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Talk:Jynx (Pokémon)

2013-04-27T14:17:59Z

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==Gender==

In Pokemon Silver Edition, I caught several male Jynx. So, umm, is this just going by Red/Blue/Yellow standards? -- [[User:Kektklik|Kektklik]] 12:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

:That sounds an awful lot like a glitch or a hack -- did you buy your game second-hand, or ever use a gameshark? Or maybe you game was a bootleg? [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 13:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
::I know I didn't find any males in Gold. (And I spent a while looking since I didn't know they were only female back then.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I did buy it used, but I started a new game over the one that was already present. [[User:Kektklik|Kektklik]] 03:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== Jynx's Feet ==

This point probably isn't important but in EP090 (Stage Fight) Jynx is shown to have hairy feet - you can see them near the end of the episode when all of the Pokémon are dancing, kicking their legs/feet. Can this be confirmed? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 21:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It does have feet, big ones too, but not hairy--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:It doesn't really matter that they're not hairy, but that's the only time Jynx has been shown to have feet when it's generally accepted that Jynx doesn't have any. It's not really a big point but it should probably be added to its physiology unless it's a mistake --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

==Redesign Date==
The article says that Nintendo changed Jynx's design for Ruby/Sapphire. But... um... is it just me or did Gold/Silver already have the redesigned Jynx? Her lips are smaller, her face and hands are purple, and her arms are white, just like the redesigned version. {{unsigned|Razzia}}

== Mean With Envy ==
From the controversy section:
"''This change was not reflected in the anime until much later, when Jynx appeared in Mean With Envy, an episode which could not be cut from airing due to its importance to the plot of the Advanced Generation series. '''Though appearing as black in the original Japanese, Jynx was recolored in the dub, causing a delay in the airing of the episode.''' Jynx has appeared since using its new design with no problems."''

I don't watch the Japanese episodes, but wasn't she was purple in the Japanese version of that episode too? I remember people being very annoyed that the episodes aired late BECAUSE Jynx had already been fixed in them, even in the original airing, and Serebii also has pictures of the Japanese version of the episode and she's purple in them too. {{unsigned|Razzia}}
:This is correct, [http://www.filb.de/?site=anime/eppics&ep=ag115 here] are pics from the Japanese airing, Jynx is clearly purple. Someone please change this. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

==Vandalism?==
In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon part, why is there odd symbols? Does Jynx really say that or is that vandalism? --[[User:PKFL 531|PKFL 531]] 22:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:Look in the trivia section of the article. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 22:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

==Thunderpunch==

In its generation II learnset it says it can be taught thunderpunch.

mine couldn't learn it.

Should this be deleted?

--[[User:WeedleMaster|WeedleMaster]] 02:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)User: WeedleMaster

== Orgin ==

Um....I know this will probably be taken as my opinion only by the more extremist of the community, but i'll say it anyways.

Wouldn't some of Jynx be based on "the fat lady?" You know the one with a horned hat, spear, sheild and a golden chest plate you see in Opera? I'm pretty sure its singing has been mentioned somewhere, and it appears to be animated singing in its Emerald sprite. Its FR/LG Sprite seems to take a singing stance.

http://davegranlund.com/cartoons/wp-content/uploads/color-wall-st-fat-ldy-web.jpg

that picture ain't pretty but it should convey the point. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 22:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
:I believe the word you're looking for is "Valkyrie". --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 22:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

:: Yeah, the opera character is a Valkyrie if I read right. I changed the picture to something a little more pleasant. Its just I've kind of always put the two together, even as a kid. I'm surprised there was no mention of such a thing in Jynx origin. Many focus on the it being from a Japanese trend, or go to the racist thing and might over look the other things it could originate from. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 23:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

::: Should I add the info on it possibly being based in some part on the "fat lady" aka Valkyrie Brünhilde? Or would that seem to opinionated/need some kind of pain in the butt citation? From experience I know a article could be full of uncited and/or opinionated things, but when I come around I get confronted and told off. I think this would be a welcomed addition, and might level out some of the negative origin. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 23:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
::::The problem I can see with it is simply this: would it be reasonable to believe that Jynx is based off of them? I'm not familiar with Japan, so the main question is whether they're well-known over there; enough so to be the origin for a Pokémon. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 23:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

::::: I don't see why they wouldn't know of the Fat lady or the reference pretending to her in Opera and in cartoons. You have to remember that before the US had any influence in japan it was Europe mostly. I think the school girl uniforms are based on British sailor uniforms if I remember right. Then you have to take into account the Japanese love for '''Disney.''' '''DBZ''' which was made in the late 80's early 90's had three characters based on the '''Cinderella''' song '''"Bibidi Babadi Boo."''' Also I think '''Bugs Bunny''' has crossed over there in his 50+ years along with the other '''Looney Tunes'''. If Disney never made a reference to the Fat lady then Looney Tunes would defiantly be the next best bet. Opera started in Italy if I am correct, and we can all think of two Italians that came from Japan and made Nintendo lots of money. If Nintendo could bank on '''Italian Plumbers''' as a mascot for a multi-billion dollar company, I'm sure they have been influenced by western culture. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 00:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::: So....would there be any objections if i add this? I just don't want to add the info then have to fight for it tooth and nail with someone wanting citations or anything. I've had plenty of experience with that, mostly on wikipedia but it is still a pain.

:::::: I'm still thinking of how to word it so the addition might not be done right away. I'm not sure if Valkyrie would be too vague or generic, or if the addition should be blunt and say Jynx appearance and behavior (look at the game sprite(s) in later gens) may be based of the stereotypical Fat lady that sings. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 16:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Regular Wikipedia claims that Jynx's design was based on a blackface design; more specifically, it looks like a Golliwog, a rather racist doll depicting a black person. I understand the Valkyrie business, but since the U.S. version banned an episode because Jynx was black instead of purple, I think it's worthy of being mentioned in the article. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/AreYouReallySellingThat.jpg/450px-AreYouReallySellingThat.jpg Golliwog Picture][[User:Giamberardino|Giamberardino]] 07:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::Wikipedia is not a viable source. They say what ever a random person decides to put in. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Bulbapedia says it too: [[EP250]] Just saying. If you wanna talk about its costume, that's sort of the elephant in the room... [[User:Giamberardino|Giamberardino]] 17:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mr. Mime? ==

Wouldn't Jynx's male counterpart be Mr. Mime? {{unsigned|Makupe}}

technically no as, despite what its name may suggest, mr. mime can be both male and female and jynx has no anatomical or evolutionary relation to mr. mime. --- [[User:Eevee Obsessed 008|Eevee Obsessed 008]]

== Native Region ==

Jynx is not available in the Kanto region except through the trade in Cerulean City, should it be noted that perhaps Jynx may not be native to Kanto? --- [[User:Convoy|Convoy]]
:In HGSS, Jynx can be caught in [[Seafoam Islands]]. While it may have been imported there, or have migrated there, it would be speculation to say that it isn't from Kanto. This goes against Bulbapedia policy. `—'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::It can be also captured in Seafoam Islands in the Japanese Blue version. [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 17:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia native works on the regional Pokédex for nativity. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

==Possible name trivia==
Is it worth noting that, if "y" is not counted, Jynx has no vowels in its name (and is the only Pokémon for which this is true)? --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 20:59, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:But that's just the thing.. "Y" is ''sometimes'' a vowel. There are even words in English that have "w" being the vowel. [[User:Kektklik|Kektklik]] 03:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== Racial stereotype? ==

Personally I disagree with Carole Wethorfords opinion. Jynx is tinted purple, not brown. The original desighn was jet black, not brown. Is black magic racist? Are shadows racist? Are black cats racist? If so than she would have alot of problems with fiction. Second, Jynx has blonde hair. The only blondes I know are caucasions. Wethorforde must have a lot of problems with evil.{{unsigned|SeanWheeler}}
:That may all be, but doesn't change the fact there was controversy about that Pokémon. This is, quite frankly, not the page to discuss whether the controversy was justified, the most you could discuss whether it belongs into the article.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] 18:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Longest cry? ==

Does Jynx have the longest cry of any Pokémon, and if not, which Pokémon does? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Absolution}} ([[User talk:Absolution|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Absolution|contribs]]) ''
:[[♀ .]] has the longest cry of any Pokémon, regular or glitched. Only in [[Pokémon Yellow]] though. As for real Pokémon, I have no clue. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 23:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I tried looking it up in my Pokédex in my Pokemon White Version game and found that of all the Pokemon I have seen in it, Jynx has the longest cry with over 2:13 seconds. {{p|Zekrom}}, {{p|Samurott}}, and {{p|Klinklang}} come pretty close, though. [[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] 18:34, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

== Controversy and Origin sections ==

I think these sections need a major overhaul. They have a very biased tone. Whoever wrote them seems determined to leave the reader with the idea that Jynx is a racist steryotype and that other ideas are less valid. I'd rewrite it myself but I thought i should give some warning before such a major edit.[[User:Bug Catcher Wade|'''Bug Catcher Wade''']] 06:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"As its Pokédex entries state that it speaks a language that sounds like human, the player, as a Pokémon, cannot understand anything of what it says in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon..."
I think it's just that what Jynx says does not make sense to anyone, humans or Pokémon. Period. I'm wondering whether anyone else agrees/disagrees. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 20:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
:I would assume that other Jynx can understand each other. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Jynx Origin stuff. also Dress is based on theater curtains? ==

I was checking in on this fat lady origin; its kind of cool and I never gave it much thought.

Anyways, should some mention be made about how Jynx is (ironically?) part ice, and that the character she may be based on (to some degree) dies by riding a horse into fire?

I mean, it kinda makes sense considering Ice types are week against fire, and not to sound racist or insensitive...but obviously you'd have blackened skin if you went into a fire.

Also, is it too opinionated to say that her red dress is like Curtains like at the Opera or any stage theater? Theater curtains are almost always depicted as Red.

I've seen blue, gold, silver and white used as the color of the Opera singer's costume in depictions of the fat lady singing, or the opera she hails from. So i don't think the choice for Jynx having a red dress was completely based on one depiction if any. (playing devils advocate, am not ripping on the fat lady singing thing) but the point is that her dress carries a likeness to curtains. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

== Jynx's hair? ==

In Pokemon Stadium and Pokemon Puzzle League when Jynx faint's her hair is the only thing that remains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApPJACXCdoM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=bkCBkMKKQDc#t=214s

I'm not sure if this was mentioned in the bioloical section of this wiki page. Also maybe it ties into her origin somehow? [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 14:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Xerneas (Pokémon)

2013-01-13T01:36:47Z

Flintlock: /* Design origin */

==Time to Create==

I think [http://www.joystiq.com/2013/01/09/pokemon-x-y-legendary-details-meet-xerneas-and-yveltal/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fjoystiq+%28Joystiq%29 we have enough] to go ahead and kick off the two legendary Pokémon pages. (Other being Yveltal.) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:Because we don't know the types these Pokémon will have yet, we will be holding back the creation of their articles for now. Knowing the type of a Pokémon is basic information, but a relevant one when creating an article (mainly because of {{template|PokémonInfobox}}). [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::By that argument, why are the starter pages created, then? Their official types have yet to be released as well (though being starters, they are obvious), and I'm sure that the two legendaries will be Dragon types to some degree (they definitely LOOK like Dragons). If this is wrong, it can always be changed! [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Citing them as dragons is far more speculative than the starters. There's nothing to suggest that other than what some may consider "tradition." For the starters, at least their primary types, are, with about 99% certainty, a given.[[User:GreatLiver|GreatLiver]] ([[User talk:GreatLiver|talk]]) 21:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I see that "Unknown" has been used. In a situation such as this, I believe this is a valid compromise allowing the page to be created. The template, on the other hand, seems pointless; after all, editing of all five existing new Pokémon pages is locked, and those who can edit them probably don't need to read the template as they already exercise those guidelines. (And please do not intent this, I outdented intentionally.) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:The template is there for people ''reading'' the page, not for people editing it. It's basically saying "we don't know much yet, don't expect full details and don't be surprised if the stuff on here changes suddenly." [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

== Redirect ==

Before the pages get ready, can I make the redirect pages already? the ones with pokemon instead of Pokémon, e.g. Yveltal (pokemon) redirect to Yveltal (Pokémon).--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 16:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:I personally see barely any point in creating redirects to an inexistent article. It will create false positives shown in the search bar, misleading a lot of people. I suggest you to wait until we actually ''create'' the article. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Appearance description? ==

Is it too early to write a appearance description? We already know enough to write it.

So far Xerneas has x like pupils or markings in its blue eyes. The antlers seem to be crystal-like and we know its basic coloration. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
: I'd like to point out that it's very similar to the [http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files/costumes/4548/69851/CI_69851_1351443092.jpg Shishigami], a Deer God and a '''forest-spirit''' appeared in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Mononoke Princess Mononoke]. But, well, I don't know if it's something canonical in the Japanese folklore or it just appeared in that movie. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:07, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== Shaped Like the Letter "X" ==

It should be added that Xerneas' body is shaped like the letter "x", perhaps in the Trivia section. --[[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 22:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:I was looking for this but did not see it. However, it has an "X" glint in its eyes. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
If Xerneas sprawled its front legs, it would look like an "x". Plus, it is blue like the "x" in the ''Pokemon X Version'' logo and the top of the segments in said x have wavy lines that make it resemble the antlers on Xerneas. Additionally, Yveltal looks like the letter "y" from underneath and is red like the "y" in the ''Pokemon Y Version'' logo. --[[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 01:59, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::* The "X" glint in its eyes sound like something for the physiology section or something like that, though the "X" shape body or appearance might be more of a stretch than the "Y" shape is for Yveltal. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 21:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Xerneas may in fact be based on a Chital, a type of deer, which is also known an the "Axis Deer", alluding to X and Y possibly being named after the X axis and Y axis of dimensions, as Generation VI are the first main-series games to be fully in 3D. {{Unsigned|Personman42}}
:I would agree with this, it's exactly the sort of wordplay that GAME FREAK love. Plus, according to the Wikipedia page, they live in forests and grassland, exactly the sort of place where Xerneas was seen in the trailer. - ''signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])'' ''15:55, 12 January 2013 (UTC)''
::It may be just a coincidence however. We are only sure that it's shaped after the letter X. I can see an affinity with the coordinates, but only whan we say that the X axis is on the ground, and the Y axis points to the sky (afterall those are 2 dimension, and the game is on 3DS, and the first 3D game). Then they took the only animal that could look like an X (or one of the few ones) and put it on the ground like the X axis. Onestly I don't think that the developers were aware of a deer called "axis deer" (wikipedia says "axis axis"). I also think that this legendary is shaped after a forest spirit, but we are discussing it in another section of this page. We should stop using this section, since it was discussing a trivia that has been added already. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

== All information is unknown ==

That's an overstatement. We know their names, for example... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:58, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Shouldn't it be noted that Xerneas and Xatu are the only Pokémon that begin with "x"?
[[User:Mesuxelf|'''Mes''']][[User talk:Mesuxelf|'''ux''''''elf''']] 13:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:No. Yanma and Yanmega got mentioned because they were of the same evolution line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::What about Yamask? [[User:Mesuxelf|'''Mes''']][[User talk:Mesuxelf|'''ux''''''elf''']] 21:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:It's preferable to avoid trivia that could become untrue at the drop of a hat, e.g. with the release of a new generation. If you have too much volatile trivia, then it's hard to track it all down and update it when it becomes untrue. Besides, it's hardly notable. [[User talk:Yeyjordan|yeyjordan]] 00:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::What I meant was, if they are of the same evolution line, then it'll be notable. But since they are two Pokémon of entirely different species makes it unnotable. And while we do tend to avoid these sort of trivia, however, if the trivia still stands to today (such as Xatu being the only X-lettered mon until recently), then it becomes notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:05, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== Official Art ==

To use in place of screenshot, the official Sugimori art.
[http://postimage.org/image/iwdwx07av/ Official Art]
[[User:Zond|Zond]] ([[User talk:Zond|talk]]) 12:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
: That's the one cleaned by [http://www.PokemonBattle.it PokemonBattle.it]. They also have [http://i48.tinypic.com/4rakxd.png Yveltal]. The trivia should be fixed too, since Xerneas and Yveltal are confirmed to be also the Japanese names. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 14:47, 11 January 2013
::Actually it doesn't, because th Japanese names means Katakana names, which have been unknown until today. [[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]] ([[User talk:Caciulacdlac|talk]]) 15:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::It's still the same name worldwide, not just the ENGLISH name. It was revealed on west official sites (both American and European), but it's not the English name, also French, German (and it was also revealed in those 2 countries at the same time) and Japanese. Also the pronunciation we have is Japanese (Xerneas is pronunced Zurneas). [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 15:15, 11 January 2013
::::Xerneas's official Japanese name ''is'' "ゼルネアス" because it is used in the games, manga, TCG and so on. Either way, the trivia doesn't need fixing since it ''doesn't'' imply that the Japanese and English names are different.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:35, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Still, it's not just English, but also France, Spanish, German and Italian. It was announced at the same time on multiple sites all over the world. The fact that it's the same name doens't mean that it's the English name (also because it's just the romanized Japanese name). [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 15:46, 11 January 2013
::[http://www.PokemonBattle.it PokemonBattle.it] provided another even cleaner [http://i50.tinypic.com/2myu5xx.png official pic], removing a shadow that was on the page. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:47, 11 January 2013
:::There was an error in the previous file. A small horn was left out (it's pretty hard to see in the scan, but it's there). [http://www.pokemonbattle.it/Xerneas.png This is a fixed version] --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:51, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==
How about "cervus" (from Latin, as French "cerf" is derived from it, like "cervo" in Italian or "ciervo" in Spanish) and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeneas Aeneas]? Aeneas was a hero, opposed to "evil" from Yveltal. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 15:15, 11 January 2013
Xerneas -> Cer-neas -> Cervos + Aeneas. [[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 16:52, 11 January 2013

== Imperial height and weight ==

Why haven't those metric height and weight been changed into imperial versions yet? It should be pretty easy to change them. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:Probably waiting for official approximations. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 17:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::3.0 m has been converted to 9'10" in all previous usages, so I've added that; however, I've left the others since they have not been used before. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Using my Computer's calculator, Xerneas weighs 474lb (Rounded to the nearest tenth!) --[[User:KirbyRider|KirbyRider]] ([[User talk:KirbyRider|talk]]) 21:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== Design origin ==

It's possible that the legendaries are based on the 3 germ layers. Here's a picture that explains it. http://imgur.com/Ztw2A [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 08:19, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:Should wait for "Z" to confirm that. My personal opionion? Unlikely. I still find it hard to believe they have something to do with X and Y chromosomes. As fas as we know, their design comes from the 2 letters X and Y (well, that's obvious), that's the only solid information. I can only see an ''analogy'' with the [http://www.genedavissoftware.com/books/jogl/images/ch2_coordinate_system.gif coordinate system]: the Y axis points to the sky (so Yveltal is able to fly), while the X axis is on the ground. However that's probably a trivia or start point for a typing concept, not sure if it matters for the design origin. Personally I find it very similar to the [http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files/costumes/4548/69851/CI_69851_1351443092.jpg Shishigami], a Deer God and a '''forest-spirit''' appeared in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Mononoke Princess Mononoke]. But, well, I don't know if it's something canonical in the Japanese folklore or it just appeared in that movie. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 14:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::It may be too early to guess. I think that when their typings and the third monster is revealed their motif will be a lot more obvious. If this observation is correct then Xerneas would most likely be psychic to match the concept of neurons, Yveltal would most likely be fighting to match the concept of muscle tissue and the "Z Pokemon" may be poison which is the closest thing I can think of to match digestive system organs. There is no reason why they couldn't be derived from the 3 coordinates and the 3 germ layers. It's hard to dispute the fact that they do really resemble neurons and muscle tissues. It's just a matter of deciding if it was intentional. The Japanese Logo does have a picture of DNA, so a biology theme seems likely, but it is all just speculation based on observations right now. Even the X and Y thing, which I've seen disputed for similar reasons.

The comparison to the Shishigami is really interesting though. I'm trying to find more information to see if it was based on Japanese folklore. It wouldn't be the first time a Pokemon was based on a creature from Studio Ghibli (Snorlax and Garbador), but I can't tell if it's just a coincidence or not.[[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 01:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

== Physiology ==
Wrote up a backbone for the Physiology section:
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Xerneas is a large deer-like Pokémon with majestic cream colored horns on the top of its head, adorned with 24 glowing crystal-like gems and branches of many different rainbow colors, from red to purple. The upper side of its body, from shoulders to head, is blue in coloration, while the lower part is black. Its chin and the sides of his head are blue, while the upper part is cream as the bigger horns, except for a small blue colored section just above the eyes. It has light blue eyes with X-shaped pupil, wich have a cream colored markings that curve up, connecting to the main horns. The nose has a darker shade of cream compared to the top of the head. In addition to those cream colored horns there 2 smaller blue horns to the side of the jaw and another pair of even smaller blue horns just above the eyes. Its limbs are slender and shaped like blades, surrounded by a cream colored stripe which goes from the outermost part of the blade itself to the knees. It has 3 colored dots on his back, yellow, red and purple, just before a short pointed tail.
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Feel free to use in the article, edit, or contribute. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 15:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Xerneas (Pokémon)

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Talk:House of Memories

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Would anyone have any problems removing the Zelda trivia? It doesn't make sense to me. I searched for a picture of the gravestones and they dont look the same at all. http://www.zeldawiki.org/File:Cemetery.png [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 07:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

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Flintlock:

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:Following that logic, why put a vestigial Safari Zone in GSC? Why make it harder to access MissingNo in Yellow and impossible in FrLg? Like it or not, Nintendo has put many things in for the purpose of preventing crashes. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 04:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::The Safari Zone in G/S/C was there because it was originally supposed to be in there, but they decided later not to include it. And Missingno. was excluded from later games because it was a glitch that was accessible without cheats. They took it out for the same reason that they hire game testers: they want their games to be as glitch-free as possible. And it did cause crashes, but it could be accessed without cheats, unlike the ???-type Arceus. I agree with Coolbho.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 13:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:That seems more like an origin for Suicune, because of the north wind bit... Though Suicune isn't a horse. I don't know, it might be a legitimate origin.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Arceus reminds me of the andalites from the animorphs books except it only has two eyes and no arms or tail. However in the movie it can speak with telepathy. Did any one else notice the similarities or am I just insane?--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 17:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

[[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

:Check {{p|Magikarp}}'s article. It's a legit piece of trivia. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

==Official Art==
Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site.
<img>http://www.pokemon.co.jp/export/sites/default/special/arcus/img/arcus_01.jpg</img>--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://i42.tinypic.com/23s8bon.png Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::the official image is already on the page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.
--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
New artwork (actually biggest):[[File:493Arceus DP anime 2.png|thumb|200px]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==U.S. Reveal==

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with my post? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Type-change grammar ==

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for fixing it, TTE. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Should be fixed now... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Typer effectiveness box for ??? type ==

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from {{m|Weather Ball}} and {{m|Shadow Sky}}. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!==

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the '''In Side Games''' section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Unfortunately, it only appears as a statue and can't actually be encountered or recruited.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry. ==

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as ''"It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. "'' May someone edit the page to include this? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page glitch ==

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait ''exactly'' 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== US Platinum dex entry/page unlock ==

Can someone ''please'' unlock the page so that the English ''Platinum'' Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: ''It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.'' And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protected ==

Why is this page protected?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough* [[Movie 12]] *cough* '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Event Moves ==

Should the Event Moves (Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, Shadow Force) be added to its moveset? It knows these at Level 100 at the Japanese event this summer. {{unsigned|JacobCrystal}}

== Should we insert the Movie Arceus event? ==

I mean, Corocoro had already revealed that there is going to be an event in HGSS unlocked by Movie Arceus where the player can choose a Level 1 Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. I think it should be worth noting that they should mention this in this article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Hey guys, an idea had just sprouted in my head. The name might also come from the latin verb ''arceo'', which roughly translates to "I watch from a distance".
/[[User:Ziemniax|Ziemniax]]
:Actually, that word means "enclose". But it could still be a name origin, since Arceus was enclosed in the Hall of Origin.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Both of you are right. if it has a long e then it means "I watch from a distane" but a short e means "enclose"--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 17:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus catch Trivia ==
As a point in the trivia I think it should be mentioned that Arceus is the only trio master (as of yet and i suspect always will be) not catchable by typical in-game mechanics instead needing to obtain an item solely distributed by a Nintendo event. All others are obtainable in their original generations via typical methods (i.e. just a simple in-game event or simply trading from a complimentary version) rather than and individual physically having to go to a Nintendo event to receive an item that cannot be obtained in games. I'm sorry if this point seems to sound redundant but I'm not sure if everyone will understand what I mean. -- [[User:D558|D558]] 06:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:Psh, who says you have to go outside? You can WFC the Azure Flute... eventually... presumably... likely... in the future. But yes, that's a good point. Do it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::I dunno if the page is protected or if my ability to edit pages has been taken away but I can't add this trivia... I guess i'll have to wait until it is unprotected or someone else will have to state this fact -- [[User:D558|D558]] 18:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to have playable MP3 files to get Pokemon cries? I'm getting confused as to what Arceus' sounds like, because the text box says ''Dodogyuuun!'' and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcHrs4MXuzQ this movie]] has mediocre sound graphics and sounds like a hi-pitched vibrating and '''''Ayeayeaye!''''' - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's_Embodiment|contribs]])'' 19:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think Filb.de has them. I had all the Sinnoh ones at one point, but I may have deleted them when iTunes tried to be stupid with them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/cries/493.mp3 Have a ball.] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus infobox at the top of this page ==

Shouldn't this be in the article instead? What is it doing here? -- [[User:Socob|Socob]] ( [[User_talk:Socob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Socob|Contribs]] ) 13:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:TTE found them too distracting for the articles. Here it's mostly a warning not to ask why Arceus is {{arceustype}}.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::I see. It does seem to be kind of messed up, too. -- [[User:Socob|Socob]] ( [[User_talk:Socob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Socob|Contribs]] ) 12:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Overworld ==

Isn't that cool if the page have the HGSS overworld?, other pokemon too {{unsigned|Arceus Vs Dragon Trio}}
:These will most likely be included somehow; we just need to work out where. It's been what, a day? Give us some time to get the images first. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

Apparently (due to the Austrailian trailer floating around the Internets) Arceus's name is pronouced ARK-eus. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:There are so many pronunciations out there that Bulbapedia doesn't keep track of them. In the past there have been discrepancies between the anime and the "official" books, and even between multiple episodes of the anime. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

== 1000 arms??? ==

umm... just wondering...why does the Pokédex entry say that it has 1000 arms? I was looking at it and it has four hooves, no arms? Isn't it kind of weird to say it has 1000 arms and then when you see it it has no arms (or four if you count hooves as arms)?--[[User:Smartkidhen|Smartkidhen]] 00:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Arceus could retract them. Ask on the forums, because that is where this belongs. ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Derp. Hey. Multiform things always have the show/hide option because their other types can be freely switched to at will. Keep it that way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== Special Moves ==

Okay, someone really ought to add Shadow Force, Spacial Rend and Roar of Time to the "by events" section. If no one edits it or gives me a reason not to, I will add this ----GEN1[[User:Gen1king|KING]] ''([[User talk:TALK]])'' 04:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:I have added the event moves section to the page. thank you.
----GEN1[[User:Gen1king|KING]] ''([[User talk:TALK]])'' 05:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus HAS appeared in side games==

WiiWare Mystery Dungeon. Need I say more? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 17:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. So where is he in the game and i will gladly add it. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::Cmon. Someone must know! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Lol. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Come on! Come on! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 12:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
arceus appears as a statue in explores of sky and in the new mystery dungeion pokeexlpores for the wii[[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 00:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

In mystery dungeon for wiiware, Arceus appears in a Wonder Mail W mission downloadable from wifi. It takes place in either final mountain, final cave, or final island. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 22:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Another possible name origin. ==

Could its name come from {{wp|arcus cloud}}? {{unsigned|Taromon777}}
:Likely not. The current ones seem more plausible to me. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

== Movie 12 Arceus ==

If you trade the Movie 12 Arceus from an English HG to an english SS, then can the event be activated in both games?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 00:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:Most likely. When they come out we'll know for sure after somebody gets that far in both games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Side Game Data ==

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Side Game Data ==

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:Added ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:57, 5 May 2010 (UTC))

==Image==
Umm... in article it's say "art from platinum" and on the image file it's say "released in HeartGold/SoulSilver. So, it's from Platinum or from HG/SS?
:Fixed. It looks to me like no-one got around to changing the caption when the art was updated. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Magic Plate? ==

I own a Diamond and Pearl guide that tells you what to do after you beat the game, and it has a section in there about the Underground. In it, it has a list of items you can find, and in that list, they have a Magic Plate. I don't know what's going on, because nobody's mentioned it before. Perhaps it's because I got an early version of the book? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 18:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe a beta name for the Mind Plate? How many plates does it list? If it only lists 16 plates than it may be a typo/beta name for one of the existing plates. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Article vandalism/Error in code ==

It seems that all moveset, type and all other special coding from section Type effectiveness -> With Mind Plate up to Name Origin is either wrong or Media Wiki has some problems parsing it. --[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 19:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:Do you mean something where it shows a bunch of red links, because if so, I see it to. It is also in the template size exceeded category. I think it has too many templates being used. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::Yup, that's what I meant. And the thing about exceeding number of templates seems possible --[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 20:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that all those redlinks are existing templates, it seems that yes, it is due to too many templates. The main question is how to reduce that without losing information. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, there are two things I can think of.
::::One of them is creating a new Pokéathlon Template, that would contain all of the Plates (specially for Arceus) with would require only to use the template with stats from all of them (although I'm not sure if there is a limit to how much data you can hand over to a template)
::::The second one is to change all link-Templates (those that just generate links to other articles) to normal links to articles
::::--[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 20:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

== Highest level legendary? ==

Wasn't there a level 100 event Regigigas? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 00:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:The article says available for capture. You don't need to capture the Regigigas. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== 13,933? ==

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but the formula (as stated [[Experience#Gain_in_battle|here]]) makes a captured Arceus give (even if the owner's Pokémon is foreign and traded) only 7,071(.428571) at level 100. 
a= 2.2 
b= 225 
L=100. 
2.2 × 225 = 495 495 × 100 = 49,500 49,500 ／ 7 = 7,071.428571. Either this page is wrong, the formula is, or I am. Thanks [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 16:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:You have ''b'' as 225, but it's 255. That's your error. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::I just did the math with 255 as ''b'', and by my calculations, even with a foreign language Arceus and a Lucky Egg, the total experience earned would be 12,021. That's odd. :/--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I got that the first time too. Sorry, I should of used the history on my calculator. Well, which is wrong then? How do we find out? [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 12:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Just did the math. I am getting 13,933. I did this:
(1.7 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 255 * 100)/7

(Wining pokemon foreign traded * Opposing pokemon owned by trainer * Wining pokemon holding lucky egg * base exp * level 100)/7
[[User:Mark342|Mark342]] 21:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

:They have changed the formula. It didn't work before. This [[File:Exp.png]] is the previous one. The new one works. Thanks anyway, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 21:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC).

== Explorers of Sky ==

I have tried, but I can't get rid of the part on the [[template:Sidegame|Sidegame]] template that includes Explorers of Sky. It wasn't in the Game, so does anyone know how to get rid of this? It's a little misleading. Thanks, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 23:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

About the name origin. For me, the most simple theory is not so clearly mentioned in the current name origin section. My theory is: Arceus is just a transcription of "archeos" from latin (meaning archaich). This was confirmed with the newest trailers that pronounce "Arceus" exactly like "archeos" is pronounced. It is the most direct and simple someone can think of, it's more or less the same process used for other Pokémon name such as Luvdisc, since "luv" has the same pronountiation as "love".

== izanagi and izanami ==

If Japan and Gods is created, it seems to be worth describing to trivia. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

My remark on the page of the edit became interrupted. Arceus lives in the interior of Spear Pillar. There are a spear and a point of contact of the creation of the Shintoism myth. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:But would that not mean that Arceus would have to be two, and not one? I think Dialga and Palkia, both met at Spear Pillar itself, better represent the two, with Giratina representing what happened to Izanami after Kagu-tsuchi burned her. Arceus created the universe... Dialga and Palkia were the ones who created Spear Pillar, and from it, Sinnoh. Arceus is above them. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for correcting my English.
::It is said that it is izanami and izanagi that it gave birth to the gods for the first time by the myth of Shintoism. Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi doesn't make the gods though Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi is the first god. There are izanami(izanagi) and a lacking part because neither Dialga nor Palkia make "Legend pokeomn". It is guessed that the ability of izanagi and izanami that creates the gods is equipped in Arceus.
::I am satisfied with the sentence that Mr. TTEchidna corrected. It is not necessary to discuss it any further.
[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colour Changing Articles ==

I know but it seems kind of pointless, when I fist read the article I thought you'd made a mistake calling it a Dragon-type and when I scrolled down I thought you'd lost your marbles when you were indicating pokeathlon stats for its Bug forme specifically. The Pokedex on the games treats it as a Normal-type. We don't have different coloured articles for Kecleon or Castform and they don't need to be holding special items to change forme. I think leaving it as Normal-type is most convenient and less confusing, also we have articles displaying what TMs and HMs it can learn as different types so why bother with all this. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 14:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:Its probably because Arceus has different Performance stats for its forms, its attack has different type for plate held, and because its sprite changes too. Too just list it all would make the page too long if it weren't hidden. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not suggesting have everything listed for all types. However it would be easier to select which type you want instead of it being random each time. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 15:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I know. But I'm pretty sure with {{bp|wikicode}} you can't do that, unless each type had their own page. At least with the random function you have a 1/17 chance of getting the one you want. If not, then just use the show/hide function. The only difference would be the template colors. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Type Change ==

I've ranted on this subject time and time again but isn't it misleading for someone to come across this article and for it to say that Arceus is a Ghost or Ice type (or whatever type that shows up) when Arceus is Normal-type but changes due to an item. This is no different than making Kecleon's page change types randomly because of Color Change, except for what color Arceus changes to, or listing every Pokémon with the chance of having the ability Mummy since any Pokémon except for Arceus and Shedinja can have the Mummy ability. I believe that Arceus needs to be listed as a Normal type as it naturally is when no items are held, just like how Kecleon is when it hasn't been hit by a foe's move or how a Marill is before being hit by a foe with the ability mummy. Does anyone else agree? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:How is it misleading? The intro sentence of this artticle clearly states: "Arceus (Japanese: アルセウス Arceus) is a Normal-type legendary Pokémon. However, its type will change when it is holding one of sixteen items known as plates and can in reality be any type. " —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, exactly it says it's a Normal-type (Because naturally it is) while the templates might say it's a Poison-type when this isn't always the case, yeah so it's not always Normal-type either but may I remind you of Kecleon? Or maybe we can say that its type "varies", but I'd rather leave the templates as if it's a Normal-type. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:::What's the big deal? The Kecleon example you are using... the type is not permanent after battle, hence why Porygon nor Pokémon with Camouflage is on here as well. Kecleon and Porygon... they were Normal-type prior to battle, and they are still Normal-type after battle. The difference is that Arceus's type is permanent from before battle and after battle. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but it isn't a natural Water or Grass-type, it is a Water or Grass type only when holding their respective plates, but naturally, without the use of an item, Arceus is a Normal-type, if they came up with an item called Aqua Sponge that turned Water-types into Normal-types we wouldn't make every Water-type Pokémon's page rotate from Normal to Water, of course I know the difference is that would be affecting a lot more pages but I still think it's misleading and somewhat confusing with the Forme rotation. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::It changes because it's a form difference if Kecleon changed its sprite then we could do something with it.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 04:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kecleon does not actually change forms; if {{a|Color Change}} counted as changing forms, we could say that all Pokémon do due to Color Change being {{m|Skill Swap}}pable. However, Arceus does actually change forms. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Isn't that why we have this, [[File:Arceus Formes.gif]] in order to demonstrate all formes? In fact we could use something like this in the sprite template couldn't we? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 19:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with Landfish7. This whole page changing is crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 19:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I hadn't ever really looked at this page before, but I recently needed to check up on something about Arceus. I was completely baffled to see it was labled as an Electric-type. It took me nearly a minute to understand what was going on. The type changes ARE really confusing, especially for people viewing the page for the first time. [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 11:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::I think if we HAVE to keep it like this at ''least'' put the informer on the page itself instead of the discussion.--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::P.S.We really need to start a continued section for this. Trying to count the correct number of :'s is driving me crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

== Dream art in info box ==

Yeah. It's pretty cool it changes with the type. But... every other article uses Sugimori art. And it's better looking. So... what do we do here? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:I thought the plan was to have them alternate every so often between normal and Dream... I'd definitely keep the Normal art for now though.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::It uses the game artwork when the page is on the {{type|???}}. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:51, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::: I'm new, but I thought we used the artwork from the generation the pokemon is from (DP), so why is there dream world artwork? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 05:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::We generally use the most recent, rather than the generation they are from (except anniversaries of the generations). See {{p|Marill}} and its current use of FR/LG art. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

In The Rise of Darkrai, I think I heard Arceus' name (that giant, winged light ball thing at the end of the movie) being pronounced "Ar-see-ay". Is that worth adding to the trivia? (I would appreciate verification, as this was a long time ago that I saw the movie).--[[User:Silentzerox|Silentzerox]] 02:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== "[Type]-Type Dream World art by '''Ken Sugimori'''" ==

Since when was Ken confirmed to be the one who made the dream world art? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

== Type discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Um? ==

Every time I go to the page, it's using the Fighting-type template. I've tried about ten times. I'm using Firefox, if that helps find the problem. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 05:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Firefox might be caching the page. Try pressing Ctrl + F5 to clear Firefox's cache and reload the page? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I had thought of that, but didn't do it. But it's working now for some reason. Quitting Fire fox and opening it later seems to have worked. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 20:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I find this type confusion that you guys are creating a great annoyance, and plain out stupid. Let's just say that someone was researching Arceus, and used Bulbapedia. The whole template is colored, yellow with the type and image indicating that it's an electric type. It just doesn't make any sense why you don't just state that he is capable of type change, while leaving the template in his default form? --[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 19:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
:Because if you took the time to read the first few lines of the article you can see it clearly states that it can change forms. Bulbapedia is about the article information stated the templates are for neatness and visual aid. so it's not "Plain out stupid" for it shows all of Arceus's forms. It doesn't always stay yellow it changes color everytime you visit the page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 19:31, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Although I don't agree it is stupid, I will ask why can't it stay in it's normal template? Why does is have to constantly change? Is it to be showy or fun or is it just to show that it is capable of being whatever type it displays? [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== ??? arceus transfered? ==
What happens if a ??? type arceus is hacked into the game then someone tries to transfer it to black/white? [[User:Savelijah|Savelijah]] 17:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
:Simple; When transferring a Pokémon to Black and White, all held items are returned to the bag of the Gen. IV game. You can only transfer a Normal-type Arceus that way. [[User:Jhuyu26|'~Jhuyu26', user of Generation V glitch Pokémon -----!]] 01:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

==Contradiction?==
The trivia section says this: "Arceus's signature move, Judgment, is the only move that Arceus is guaranteed STAB for, as it is always the same type as Arceus itself. '''However, on the battle screen, Judgment is always displayed as a Normal-type attack.'''" With the rotating type change, Judgement also changes in the moveset. I don't mind the templates changing on the page - I think it's kind of cool - but can Judgement be changed to always be Normal? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 02:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

==Mistake==
In the Pokémon infobox it says that artwork it's from Black and White, but it's from Platinum. An admin should correct this mistake. [[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]] 09:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Connection with the bible? ==

Hey guys, I was just looking at a picture of Arceus and it occured to me how similar Arceus is to the 'wheel' mentioned in the bible (Ezekiel).

The wheel supposedly came from the heavens or space;

Ezekial 1:5 - "and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures" (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus?)
Ezekial 1:7 - "Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze" (Could refer to Dialga and Arceus, Dialga being steel (burnished bronze))
Ezekial 1:16-21 - "This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel", "the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around" (Arceus' wheel, at least to me, seems metallic, and the intersection could suggest Arcues inside the wheel. And, there are 4 jewels 'eyes' on the wheel.)

The creatures also have 'wings', which would be similar except for the case of Arceus

Anyone reckon this part of the bible was considered in Arceus' creation?

[[User:PHoxide|PHoxide]] 10:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== "Arms" ==

I eas just watching the Movie and I think the "arms" Arceus is supposed to have are not made of matter, but energy. This could explain why the dex sayes it has arms but you don't see them. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 01:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I have to concur with Truthseeker4449 that the "arms" might be not of matter but of energy. Another possibility is that the "1000 arms" is just a metaphor to signify how mythical Arceus is. [[User:Arceustheomnipotent|Arceustheomnipotent]] 05:04, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

== Minor edits ==

I made minor edits adding to the tcg[[User:Hmtkiwi99|Hmtkiwi99]] 11:02, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, but this is better suited to your edit summary than placing it on the talk page. You can create an edit summary by typing it in the the box below the editing box, labeled "Summary:". Edit summaries as visible in the page history and on [[Special:RecentChanges]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
My edit got murdered[[User:Hmtkiwi99|Hmtkiwi99]] 20:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

== House ==

Just watching new House episode, the Perils of Paranoia, and the titular doctor just made a direct reference to Arceus:

House: "...and that's why Arceus gave us three states of matter and over 300 poisons that could cause these symptoms." 
Taub: "Arceus?" 
House: "Look it up" 

Trivia-worthy? [[User:DrStubbsberg|DrStubbsberg]] 22:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
:It's been noted [[List of references to Pokémon in popular culture|here]] already so the trivia isn't needed. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, hadn't noticed that page before [[User:DrStubbsberg|DrStubbsberg]] 22:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

'Arceus gave us three states of matter' - and this may be also explanation of Creation Trios types: Dialga Steel - Solid, Palkia Water - Liquid, Giratina Ghost - Gas. [[User:Count Kuwaga|Count Kuwaga]] 13:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

== crea(tion) anagram = arce ==

About the name 'Arceus' would 'Arce' be an anagram of crea(tion)?
And would 'us' give it the meaning 'create(d) us'?
It also looks like a '''ce'''nt'''aur''' who has lost its (thousend) arms. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 20:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think taking just parts of words for an anagram counts, and anagrams in general are still stretching it a little bit. --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 20:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

== Allegedly created the universe ==

I will not argue that Arcues created Shinno but it's only stated that he MAY have created ALL pokemon and the Universe. But let's look at something. Mew has been declared the Original pokemon since Gen 1 without any contradictions. Arcues is a Shinno legendary and so it's only natural that the locals believe it to be the creator. But Mew has officially been stated in again many sources to have EVERY pokemon DNA. IT can transform and use ANY technique. So Arcues could NOT have created Mew as Mew was the 1st pokemon. Plus there are other legendaries from other regions that were said to have created the regions they inhabit. And lastly how can Arcues be a God if humans can capture him? I think we need to go onto Mew and Arcues' pages and make sure that this is clear. This is not opinion but facts backed by sources. Gen 1,2,4 games and The Original Official Pokemon handbook under Mew's page and several subsequent handbooks featuring Mew. [[User:Genemaxwell4|Genemaxwell4]] 09:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

:Mew is almost always stated to be "believed by scientists" to be the ancestor of all Pokémon... it never says for a fact that it ''is''. Scientists (in real life) have been wrong before on many things... perhaps Mew being the ancestor of all Pokémon will some day just be an outdated theory.
:As for Arceus as the "creator of the Universe"... it's Pokédex entries all either say "it has been said" or specifcally say that it's Sinnoh myth... they never say for certain that he is some sort of creator god. I personally think the whole thing is a stupid concept... why base an encyclopedia entry of an actual animal on some myth rather than true facts? (That's like me looking up "falcon" in an encyclopedia and finding all sorts of references to it being some sort of sun god, simply because it was one in ancient Egyptian belief). But that's how it is... interpret it however you want. Maybe this whole conflict was intentional so that fans could interpret it differently (like how other aspects of Pokémon are... such as the definition of "Pokémon master"). [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 04:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::Except unlike falcons, Arceus is a fictional creature, and also unlike falcons, there is physical proof of Arceus's god-like status in the games, manga, and anime. We do talk about Arceus as it is, its physiology, abilities, etc. And like it or not, one of its abilities ''is'' controlling the world. I'm not sure what you're looking for. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Mew created Arceus. Arceus created everything else. That's what I've always believed. [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 21:43, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== base stat similarities ==

with everything I've noticed about the base stats of Pokémon on the Pokédex is that there are two Pokémon that have a completely even base stat spread (base HP=base Atk=Base Def=base SpA=base SpD=base Speed) Arceus has a 120-120-120-120-120-120 base spread effectively making it the strongest base Pokémon in the games to date, but there is one more Pokémon that shares the even base spread with Arceus. It is the weakest base Pokémon in the games to date, Sunkern, who's base spread is 30-30-30-30-30-30 (All stat spreads are in the HP-Atk-Def-SpA-SpD-Speed).
If there are any other Pokémon that share this trait, please let me know.

-By [[User:typhonandfafnir|typhonandfafnir]]. Sam Fisher: "because most people don't have others shooting AK-47's at them, I had to find my own way to stay in shape." 01:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
:I said this on Sunkern's talk page, but this trait is also shared by Celebi, Mew, Manaphy, and Phione, and most likely other Pokémon I'm forgetting. Not really notable. [[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] 01:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

==???-type sprite==
"''It is possible this sprite was programmed in to prevent game crashes caused by tampering with Arceus's type.''"

Not saying that this should be removed, because yeah, that is a possibility. But it's unlikely. There doesn't need to be a special sprite to do that... they could have just used the Normal-type sprite in the case that it ends up as a ???-type. Or used some other placeholder... they could have even left it blank. And also, I doubt that Nintendo cares about preventing game crashes due to stuff that is impossible to do without messing with stuff that shouldn't be messed with. I mean, there's probably tons of other ways that someone could crash the game when that person starts altering variables and stuff and I'm sure that Nintendo didn't waste their time trying to prevent those game crashes. Anyway, I have no idea why they made a special sprite for the ???-type. Maybe it was just because the graphics people got bored and decided to have some fun making something pointless (like the truck in Generation I). [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 20:48, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

==Lamb instead of horse?==

Does anyone else think Arceus may be based on the phrase 'the lamb of God?' [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 04:27, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Seaking (Pokémon)

2012-08-17T17:55:09Z

Flintlock: /* Elvis Presley? */

== soul silver ==

Seaking is available in soul silver in route 42, dark cave, mt. mortar, slowpoke well and union cave according to the pokedex. I found one in mt. mortar anyway. [[User:Energize|Energize]] 15:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:in HeartGold I have come across heaps of them in Mt. Silver Cave. [[User:Fighter4luv|Fighter4luv]] 12:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Seaking ==
If you shall all take a look at the example (Shiny Seaking for Emerald Version), you'll notice this has a red face. This is an error and should probably get fixed. [[User:KurosakisTwin|KurosakisTwin]] 03:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:I fixed it --[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 14:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

==Elvis Presley?==

This is a bit out there, but I think Seaking is based on Elvis Presley as a fish. Seaking has sideburns, and the white patterns with black dots looks like the costumes Elvis wears. It would explain why his name in Japan could translate to ''Rock'' fish, and why it was translated to Sea''king.'' [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 17:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Seaking (Pokémon)

2012-08-17T17:54:47Z

Flintlock:

Talk:Diglett (Pokémon)

2012-08-17T15:33:21Z

Flintlock:

== mystery dungeon ==

should we mention the fact in mystery dungeon diglett says somthing about the wind in his "feet"?--
[[User:kittenchild|
kittenchild
and her
Discovery]]
A.K.A. {{tt|ねこさん|nekosan (cat (as a person))}}
[[User talk:Kittenchild|]]
06:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:Of course. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I have the screencaps of this dialogue (Diglett talking about his feet while Mudkip and Magnemite wonder about them). Shall I upload the image? [[User:Commanderraf|Commanderraf]] 04:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yea, go ahead. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I uploaded the image (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Image:Diglett%27s_feet.png) and inserted it on the trivia section of Diglett's article. If anyone can find a better location or change anything for the better, please do. [[User:Commanderraf|Commanderraf]] 17:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::Good, but it needs to be bigger. I've played around, but on preview it doesn't work... [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 18:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:::: Done! After an intensive course on how to make gifs, I made the three images into a square gif and replaced the long image for this new animation in the article. [[User:Commanderraf|Commanderraf]] 18:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Cactuar ==

Anyone think they look a little like the Cactaur from the Final Fantasy Series? {{unsigned|Manga-in-a-bottle}}

== Gender Differences ==
We currently have "'''Gender Differences''': None that can be seen above ground." and that's hilarious, but should we keep this? Literally, in-game, there are no gender differences. I'm not sure if this section is as game-literal as 'Colour', for example, but I don't think any official source hints any gender difference, and as Diglett's underside is not likely to be revealed, I consider it somewhat a false implication. Same for Dugtrio. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 09:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex=Its skin is very thin. If it is exposed to light, its blood heats up, causing it to grow weak.</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

When sent out, Diglett and Dugtrio pop out from the ground as opposed to other Pokémon which appear midair. Good for trivia? [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 11:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== Canopy? ==

It says under "Habitat" that it is occasionally found in forest canopies. I was wondering when it was should to do this? I don't watch the anime anymore, so I'm guessing that's where it was shown. But there's no reference or citation. I just wanted to make sure it was confirmed. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:48, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
:It was in [[PK04|Pikachu's Rescue Adventure]] (here's a pic to confirm it).
:[[File:Various 2 PK04.png]]
:[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 22:21, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks! I figured it was in the anime. This makes the trivia about it only being seen in soil false, right? Should that be removed? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:31, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I never noticed that was there... yeah it needs to be removed, it's redundant now. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 22:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

==Similarity to worms?==

Hey I was just wondering why this was in the origin section? It seems pretty clear that Diglet is a mole, and a homage to whac a mole. Why the worms comment? [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 15:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Zigzagoon (Pokémon)

2012-08-08T03:18:45Z

Flintlock: Zigzagoon knows belly drum because tanukis in folklore are known for their belly drums. I just thought I'd add that in the origin.

{{PokémonPrevNext | type=normal | prevnum=262 | nextnum=264 | prev=Mightyena | next=Linoone }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Zigzagoon |
jname=ジグザグマ |
tmname=Jiguzaguma |
art=RS |
size=180px|
ndex=263 |
hdex=012 |
fbrow=047 |
typen=1 |
type1=Normal |
type2= |
species=TinyRaccoon |
height-ftin=1'04" |
height-m=0.4 |
weight-lbs=38.6 |
weight-kg=17.5 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Pickup |
ability2=Gluttony |
abilityd=Quick Feet |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Field |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=15 |
evsp=1 |
expyield=60 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=255 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=zigzagoon |
generation=3 |
footnotes=}}
'''Zigzagoon''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ジグザグマ''' ''Jiguzaguma'') is a {{type|Normal}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Linoone}} starting at [[level]] 20.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Zigzagoon looks like a small brown and white raccoon. Its bristly fur alternates in layers of cream and brown, and, due to the jagged outline, the fur has a zigzag pattern. Zigzagoon’s head is brown with spiky ears and a jagged muzzle. It also has a black ‘mask’ pattern over its brown eyes and a black nose. Zigzagoon’s feet have three claws, the forefeet colored cream and the hind feet brown, with pink paw pads on the underside. It also has a spiky, bristly brush tail. The upper portion of Zigzagoon's mouth is jagged in outline, and when Zigzagoon's mouth is open, two fangs can be seen on its lower jaw.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Since Zigzagoon have a keen sense of smell, and supported by the fact that it is curious about anything on the ground, it is able to locate and {{a|Pickup|pick up}} items while traveling.

When the Generation IV games were introduced, Zigzagoon was given another Ability. Due to the fact that it loves Berries more than almost anything else, it is a complete {{a|Gluttony|glutton}} when it comes to them.

===Behavior===
Zigzagoon’s behavior is marked by its signature curiosity. Rubbing its nose to the ground, Zigzagoon restlessly wanders back and forth in search of something. As Zigzagoon shows an interest in everything it happens to see, it always zigs and zags, even leaving distinguishable zigzag footprints. Zigzagoon also rubs its bristly back hair against trees to leave territorial markings, and may play dead to fool foes in battle. Like real-life animals, when thirsty it will lap up water with its tongue.

===Habitat===
[[File:Grassland.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Grassland Pokémon}}]]
Zigzagoon are found fairly commonly in grassy fields and wooded areas.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
Zigzagoon has a fairly varied diet, but it usually found holding an [[Oran Berry]].

==In the anime==
[[File:Victor Zigzagoon.png|thumb|210px|Zigzagoon in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
[[Nicholai]] caught a Zigzagoon in ''[[AG005|In the Knicker of Time]]''. It also appeared in ''[[AG048|Zig Zag Zangoose!]]''.

===Minor appearances===
Zigzagoon first appeared in ''[[EP272|Johto Photo Finish]]''.

A Zigzagoon appeared in ''[[AG008|A Tail with a Twist]]''.

A Zigzagoon appeared in ''[[AG010|You Said a Mouthful!]]''

A Zigzagoon appeared in ''[[AG011|A Bite to Remember]]''.

One of the [[Gym Badge Thieves]] from ''[[SS005|The Blue Badge of Courage]]'' had a Zigzagoon.

A Zigzagoon appeared in ''[[AG030|A Meditite Fight!]]''.

A Zigzagoon appeared in ''[[AG033|Now That’s Flower Power!]]'' as a Pokémon in the Contest.

A Zigzagoon appeared in ''[[AG046|Candid Camerupt!]]'' where it battled against Brock's Mudkip.

Multiple Zigzagoon appeared in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]''.

A Zigzagoon appeared under the ownership of a Coordinator in ''[[AG121|Hi Ho Silver Wind!]]''

A Zigzagoon also appeared in ''[[DP038|One Big Happiny Family!]]'' in [[Jessie]]'s fantasy.

Zigzagoon appeared in ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]'' as one of the many Pokémon residents of [[Crown City]]. Two Zigzagoon worked with several other Pokémon in surrounding {{OBP|Zorua|M13}} in the park to attack him, angry at Zorua for what {{OBP|Zoroark|M13}} did to the city. Before a fight broke out, the Zigzagoon, along with the other Pokémon, were calmed by {{OBP|Celebi|M13}}.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG005|Zigzagoon|Ash's Pokédex|Zigzagoon, the TinyRaccoon Pokémon. Zigzagoon is extremely curious and so ends up walking in a zigzag path between things that interest it.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Advanced Generation''|Hoenn}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Kylee Zigzagoon Adventures.png|thumb|150px|Zigzagoon in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{Adv|Sapphire}} encountered {{tc|Picnicker|a young Trainer}} and her sick Zigzagoon in [[PS226|VS. Altaria]]. Her way of healing the Zigzagoon caught [[Winona]]'s attention.

===In the Pokémon Ruby-Sapphire manga===
In the [[Pokémon Ruby-Sapphire]] manga, a Zigzagoon appears in the chapter ''[[PMRS01|Let's Go Catch The Dumpling Thief!!]]''. [[Red's Clefairy]] is accused of stealing dumplings from a shrine, but it turns out that they were being eaten by a mischevious Zigzagoon.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Zigzagoon (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]: Zigzagoon sits to the left of the [[Sapphire Field]] and will change its position when the ball hits the button in front of it. When Zigzagoon is positioned to pounce, it will immediately stop the slot machine when the A button is pressed, allowing for the prize to be chosen by the player.
* {{game|Emerald}}: At the beginning of the game, a wild Zigzagoon attacks Professor Birch. The player must use his/her [[starter Pokémon]] to defeat it.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=normal
|gen=3
|rubydex=Zigzagoon restlessly wanders everywhere at all times. This Pokémon does so because it is very curious. It becomes interested in anything that it happens to see.
|sapphiredex=The hair on Zigzagoon's back is bristly. It rubs the hard back hair against trees to leave its territorial markings. This Pokémon may play dead to fool foes in battle.
|emeralddex=Rubbing its nose against the ground, it always wanders about back and forth in search of something. It is distinguished by the zigzag footprints it leaves.
|frlgdex=A Pokémon with abundant curiosity. It shows an interest in everything, so it always zigs and zags.
|dpptdex=It walks in zigzag fashion. It is good at {{a|Pickup|finding items}} in the grass and even in the ground.
|hgssdex=It gets interested in everything, which is why it zigs and zags. It is good at finding items.
|bwdex=It walks in zigzag fashion. It is good at finding items in the grass and even in the ground.
|b2w2dex={{tt|ジグザグに　あるいて　くさかげや　じめんに　うまっている　たからものを　みつけるのが　とくいな　ポケモン。|It walks in zigzag fashion. It is good at finding items in the grass and even in the ground.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=normal |
gen=3 |
frlgex=rse|
rsrarity=Common |
rsarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|101|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|102|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|103|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|104|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|110|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|116|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|117|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|118|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|121|Hoenn}}, and {{rtn|123|Hoenn}}, [[Petalburg Woods]] |
erarity=Uncommon |
earea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|101|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|102|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|103|Hoenn}}, {{rtn|118|Hoenn}}, and {{rtn|119|Hoenn}} |
dprarity=Swarm |
dparea={{rt|202|Sinnoh}} |
ptrarity=Swarm |
ptarea={{rt|202|Sinnoh}} |
palarea=Field |
hgssrarity=Rare |
hgsssound=Hoenn |
hgssarea=[[Sprout Tower]], [[Bell Tower]], [[Burned Tower]] |
walkarea={{pw|Hoenn Field}}|
gen5ex=none |
bwarea=[[Poké Transfer]]|
b2w2ex=none |
b2w2area=[[Poké Transfer]]|
dwarea={{Dwa|Pleasant Forest}}
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=normal
|boxrs=Store 100 Pokémon from one cartridge{{tt|*|This Zigzagoon is received as an Egg which can be transferred for hatching in Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed or LeafGreen.}}
|pinballrs=Forest
|trozei=[[Secret Storage 12]] Endless Level 25 Trozei Battle [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Mt. Steel]] (1F-5F)
|ranger=[[Lyra Forest]]
|md2=[[Foggy Forest]] (1F-11F)
|rumble2=Canyon: [[Rugged Flats]]
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=normal}}
{{eventAvail|Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire#100 Pokémon from one game|Pokémon Box Eggs|Japan|2003|5}}
{{eventAvail|List of Japanese Nintendo event Pokémon in 2003#Shiny Zigzagoon|Berry Glitch Fix|Japan|2003|5}}
{{eventAvail|List of North American Nintendo event Pokémon in 2004#Shiny Zigzagoon|Berry Glitch Fix|United States|2004|5}}
{{eventAvail|Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire#100 Pokémon from one game|Pokémon Box Eggs|North America|2004|5}}
{{eventAvail|Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire#100 Pokémon from one game|Pokémon Box Eggs|Australia|2004|5}}
{{eventAvail|Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire#100 Pokémon from one game|Pokémon Box Eggs|Europe|2004|5}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=Normal
|rse1=Oran Berry|rse1type=Berry|rse1rar=5
|dppt1=Oran Berry|dppt1type=Berry|dppt1rar=5
|hgss1=Oran Berry|hgss1type=Berry|hgss1rar=5
|event1=Liechi Berry|event1type=Berry|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=normal |
HP= 38 |
Attack= 30 |
Defense=41 |
SpAtk= 30 |
SpDef= 41 |
Speed= 60 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Normal
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=1
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=4
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=normal|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Zigzagoon|Normal|Normal|5|3}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Tail Whip|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Sand-Attack|Ground|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Odor Sleuth|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|21|Mud Sport|Ground|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Pin Missile|Bug|Physical|14|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Covet|Normal|Physical|60|100|40||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Bestow|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|37|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|45|Belly Drum|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Zigzagoon|Normal|Normal|5|3}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Zigzagoon|Normal|Normal|5|3}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Zigzagoon|Normal|Normal|5|3}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Zigzagoon|Normal|Normal|5|3}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|025|Pikachu}}{{MSP|026|Raichu}}{{MSP|209|Snubbull}}{{MSP|210|Granbull}}{{MSP|216|Teddiursa}}{{MSP|217|Ursaring}} {{MSP|231|Phanpy}}{{MSP|232|Donphan}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}{{MSP|417|Pachirisu}}{{MSP|427|Buneary}} {{MSP|428|Lopunny}}{{MSP|431|Glameow}}{{MSP|432|Purugly}}{{MSP|572|Minccino}}{{MSP|573|Cinccino}}{{MSP|585|Deerling}} {{MSP|586|Sawsbuck}}{{MSP|613|Cubchoo}}{{MSP|614|Beartic}}|Charm|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|058|Growlithe}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|133|Eevee}} {{MSP|134|Vaporeon}}{{MSP|135|Jolteon}}{{MSP|136|Flareon}}{{MSP|196|Espeon}}{{MSP|197|Umbreon}}{{MSP|470|Leafeon}} {{MSP|471|Glaceon}}{{MSP|161|Sentret}}{{MSP|162|Furret}}{{MSP|506|Lillipup}}{{MSP|507|Herdier}}{{MSP|508|Stoutland}} {{MSP|572|Minccino}}{{MSP|573|Cinccino}}|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
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====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Zigzagoon|normal|normal|5|3}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Covet|Normal|Physical|60|100|40||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Gunk Shot|Poison|Physical|120|70|5|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Last Resort|Normal|Physical|140|100|5||'''|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15||'''|no|yes}}
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{{learnlist/tutor5|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Zigzagoon|normal|normal|5|3}}

===={{pkmn|Dream World}}-only moves====
{{learnlist/eventh|Zigzagoon|normal|normal|5|3}}
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{{learnlist/event5|{{pkmn|Dream World}}|Last Resort|Normal|Physical|140|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Zigzagoon|normal|normal|5|3}}

====Special moves====
{{learnlist/eventh|Zigzagoon|Normal|Normal|5|3}}
{{learnlist/event5|[[Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire|Pokémon]] [[Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire#100 Pokémon from one game|Box]]{{tt|*|Transferred from Gen III}}|ExtremeSpeed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Zigzagoon|Normal|Normal|5|3}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=normal |
ndex=263 |
pinballrs=Catch |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=8.5 |
area=Wild Plains |
P1=I wonder what's in store here? This is so exciting! |
P2=Listen, half my HP's gone. |
P3=No more... I couldn't run if I wanted to... |
PL=I leveled up! Ooh, this is so exciting! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Normal |
Assist=no |
field=None |
fieldpower=0 |
loop=2 |
MinEXP=9 |
MaxEXP=9 |
browser=Zigzagoon always zigzags when it moves. It's fun to just watch it. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2 |
iq=D |
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=1|
rumble2defense=1|
rumble2speed=3|
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=263
|name1=Zigzagoon
|type1-1=Normal
|evotype1=Level
|level1=20
|sprite2=264
|name2=Linoone
|type1-2=Normal}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=normal|
gen=3|
gender=none|
ndex=263|
name=Zigzagoon|
}}

==Trivia==
* Zigzagoon is one of the two Pokémon left out of the [[Hoenn Pokérap]]; the other is {{p|Relicanth}}.
* In each region, there is a two-stage {{type|Normal}} Pokémon encountered early in the region. Zigzagoon is the [[Hoenn]] variation on this theme, while {{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Sentret}}, {{p|Bidoof}}, and {{p|Patrat}} are those of other regions.
** Of these, Zigzagoon is the only one without any traits of {{wp|rodents}}.
* Zigzagoon and {{p|Aipom}} are the only Pokémon that can have {{a|Pickup}} whose evolutions retain the Ability.
* A {{Shiny}} Zigzagoon was given to games from an interactive demo to fix the [[Berry Glitch]].

===Origin===
Zigzagoon is based on the {{wp|Japanese Raccoon Dog|tanuki}} (''Nyctereutes procyonoides viverrinus''). Japanese folklore and legend claims that tanuki are tricksters, masters of disguise and capable of shapeshifting, though also absent-minded and gullible. Tanukis are also known for their [[Belly Drum|belly drumming.]] It also has similarities to ordinary {{wp|raccoon|raccoons}}.

====Name origin====
Zigzagoon may be a combination of ''zigzag'' (referring to its fur pattern and unusual habits) and ''raccoon'' or ''{{wp|Japanese raccoon dog|raccoon dog}}''.

Jiguzaguma may be a combination of ''zigzag'' and アライグマ ''araiguma'' ({{wp|raccoon}}) or 穴熊 ''anaguma'' ({{wp|badger}}). ''Guma'' (熊 ''kuma'') as a suffix is often used for mammals that resemble bears.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=normal|type2=normal
|ja=ジグザグマ ''Jiguzaguma''|jameaning=From ''zigzag'' and {{wp|raccoon|{{tt|アライグマ ''araiguma''|raccoon}}}} or {{wp|badger|{{tt|穴熊 ''anaguma''|raccoon}}}}
|fr=Zigzaton|frmeaning=From ''zigzag'' and {{tt|''raton''|raccoon}}
|es=Zigzagoon|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Zigzachs|demeaning=From ''zigzag'' and ''{{tt|Dachs|badger}}''
|it=Zigzagoon|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=지그재구리 ''Zigzaguri''|komeaning=From ''zigzag'' and {{tt|''neoguri''|raccoon}}
|zh_cmn=蛇紋熊 / 蛇纹熊 ''Shéwénxióng''|zh_cmnmeaning=Literally "Snake-patterned bear", referring to the zigzag pattern in its fur resembling a wriggling snake
}}

 

==External links==
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Talk:Extraterrestrial Pokémon

2012-08-04T19:58:13Z

Flintlock:

== Rumored? ==
I think there was one episode that showed clefairy in a meteor/rocket, and didn't lunatone and solrock come from a meteor? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 16:24, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Lunatone and Solrock's Pokedex entries state that they are rumoured to come from a space, so while it is obvious that they are offworld, they should be kept in the rumoured section for now. As for Clefairy, they should probably be in the confirmed section, [[Clefairy Tales|due to that spaceship and launch station they built]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:31, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::About clefairy, I meant the episode Clefairy and the Moon Stone. [[User:S and T|S and T]] 16:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Jirachi ==
Jirachi has strong ties with comets, and I think it might have been said to be from outer space. Should it be included? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 16:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:This page is still young, so there are a number of Pokemon like Jirachi that need to be added, namely Arceus, Giratina, Unown, Palkia, Dialga. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yuxie, Mesprit, and Azelf may need a mention too. And Registeel's Dex entries imply it is offworld, which by extension could include the other three Regi's. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:44, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
: I don't think we should include Palkia, Dialga, Giratina, or Unown. They're from a different dimension, not outer space. [[User:Chiramii|Chiramii]] *** [[User talk:Chiramii|Talk]] 16:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well this page is for ''{{wp|Extraterrestrial}}'' Pokemon, so there is no reason not to include them. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf ==
...have a section with no data at all. We should add some data; I would, but I didn't put in the section and I'm still not clear on why it's there. [[User:EvilKirikizan|EvilKirikizan]] 03:05, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
:Update! I just realized Jirachi has the same situation. Just felt like that should be noted too. [[User:EvilKirikizan|EvilKirikizan]] 03:08, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
== Kyurem Evidence ==
Should Kyurem really be in the Known section? I mean, it's only in legend that it came from outer space like Clefairy, there's no actual info confirming that Kyurem actually came from outer space, is there? [[User:Bolter1|Bolter1]] 01:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

== Sableye? ==
I think Sableye might deserve a mention in this article. He's based off of an alien, although they don't mention his origins in any of the games or anime. I don't think it would be that much of a stretch to say he's extraterrestrial. However, there's no evidence besides his origin so I'm not really sure if or how this could be added. I thought it deserved a mention anyways. [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 19:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Lugia (Pokémon)

2012-08-04T07:42:37Z

Flintlock:

== Necessary ==

Is it really necessary to say that Pressure is cancelled by Mold Breaker? [[User:Inker|Inker]] 22:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:Not really... '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== "Ruler" of the seas? ==

Was there ever a line in generation II that said he was some sort of "King" "lord" of the seas? Or was that only in the second movie?([[User:Fossilgojira|Fossilgojira]] 02:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC))

== Biology ==

The biology section here is heavily based upon its anime-canon version, which is not unique, rather than what is known about the unique game-canon version. As such, it should be mentioned when it is referring to its presentation in the anime rather than the more universal qualities of the species. As it is, the article treats Lugia as if all Lugia are Lugia from the anime, rather than legendary individuals unique to the game it is from. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:I do notice that every Pokemon has a section devoted to "In the Anime," "In the Manga," but nothing has a section called "In the Games." Sheesh, it's not like the games have no plot! [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:Um, I assumed that everything outside of the "In the Animé," and "In the Manga," sections was game-canon. :\ - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 15:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
In My Opinion Lugia seems to have been inspired by Ziz in some fators. I dont see how Rayquaza could be and not Lugia. {{unsigned|RegiJack}}

== Name Origin ==

It does not seem at all relevant to mention Luigi here. Does anyone agree?? I didn't wanna be a jerk and just delete it. [[User:Bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]] 14:24, 18 October 2008
:You’re right, that’s completely ridiculous. I removed the sentence. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 20:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== SoulSilver speculation? ==

This article claims that "Lugia is the version mascot of [[Pokémon Silver]] and [[Pokémon SoulSilver]], appearing on the boxart of both."
Since no official boxart image has been released for these new games, I believe that it is pure speculation, although Lugia would most likely be on the cover in the future.
The same claim is also made regarding to [[Ho-oh]] and [[Pokémon HeartGold]] - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Daninjango}} ([[User talk:Daninjango|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Daninjango|contribs]]) ''
:Take a look at the logo. They are stylized versions of Ho-Oh and Lugia. Plus, they are confirmed to be remade versions of the original GS. It's pretty much confirmed. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::Version Mascots have always been featured on boxart. Saying Lugia won't be on SoulSilver's boxart is like saying Team Galactic will triumph in the anime. We know that the twerps will somehow defeat Team Galactic and we know Lugia will be on the boxart for SoulSilver. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset Trivia ==
Since Lugia's Level up moves list changed, doesn't that mean it's moveset is not the same in [[SoulSilver]] as it was in [[Gold]] and vice versa? Shouldn't that trivia be removed? I'd do it, but Lugia (and [[Ho-Oh]])'s page can't be edited.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 20:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset ==

Since its moveset has changed almost entirely from DPt to HGSS, isn't better to put them in different boxes? The same goes for {{p|Ho-Oh}}. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 05:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Halcyon Days ==

Lugia's ability to quell the ceaseless fighting between the legendary birds and control the weather to calm storms seems to be based on the '[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcyone Greek Legend of Alcyone]' which resulted in the creation of an annual period of tranquility called the '[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halcyon_days Halcyon Days]'. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 13:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Relation to Arceus? ==

In SoulSilver one of the Kimono Girls says: Tamao says, “That is Lugia… Since the ancient days, this town has called it the guardian deity of the sky."
Does that mean it to be a God Pokemon relation to Arceus (same with Ho-Oh in HG). '''''-'''''[[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRocks''']] ([[User talk:LugiaRocks|''Talk'']] ★ [[Special:Contributions/LugiaRocks|''Edits'']]) 19:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:Wait, i though Ho-Oh was the Guardian of the Sky and Lugia was Sea. [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 19:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Anime Appearance ==

Why is it stated that Ash and Misty act like they have never seen a Lugia before when encountering Silver and parent? In the English dub, at least, Ash specifically states that he had seen a Lugia in the Orange Isles before, which is in direct reference to the second movie.--[[User:Zandock|Zandock]] 21:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wyvern? ==

I find Lugia looks quite a lot like a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyvern Wyvern]. I was wondering if that should be mentioned, as Wyverns typically are shown as being dragons with two legs, two wings, and long necks/tails; which sounds a lot like Lugia's general appearance.
--[[User:Dragoon|Dragoon]] 01:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:This doesn't sound ''so'' implausible...we generally assume it's just a bird, but then again, we do point out the Ryujin parallels, and he's a dragon.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Takeshi Shudo(scenario writer of anime) created Lugia. ==

Column by Takeshi Shudo. http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo206.shtml [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sea swallow ==

The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucus_atlanticus Glaucus atlanticus] looks kind of like Lugia. Maybe it can go in the origin section? {{unsigned|Carolyn81}}
*I don't see any resemblance to Lugia at all. :( - [[User:050294|050294]] 00:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== Ancient Bird ==

I Remember that there was a bird that lived in the seas, and its wings had "digits" Similar to Lugia, its neck and body was also long as well. Could go on the Origins right? [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Do you remember its name?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Unfortuntly no but maybe i can look it up ill do it now. [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay found it. it was called Hesperornis after seeing it for such a long time i realized tbe only thing that had with common with lugia is the feet maybe, the wings were actually just a stub but maybe it's the wrong bird cause i was sure it had wings to swim with. [[User:XXRaigoXx|XXRaigoXx]] 07:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== Takeshi Shudō ==

I know there is a section in this talk page about Lugia's creator being Takeshi Shudō, but I didn't want to drag up conversation that is over three months old. :/ Does anyone think Shudō's death be mentioned on this page? We have a whole Bulbanews post about it and all... [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 06:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's definitely worth mentioning somewhere (it's mentioned on [[Takeshi Shudō|his article]]) but I don't really think it needs to be mentioned here. His death doesn't really have anything to do with Lugia. :P [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::Before yersterday, I hadn't noticed the claim that Shudō had created Lugia. Even though I wish this were a better time to be raising my doubts, I have to say that I'm highly skeptical as to the veracity of that statement.

::The reason that Shudō's column makes me raise an eyebrow is that Gold and Silver were supposed to be released in early 1998, so Lugia must have existed in some form back then - at a time when Shudō was working on Movie 1. In fact, I would think that Lugia would have been seen in the opening of the demo that was playable in the Spaceworld 1997 event; this [http://park3.wakwak.com/~pokepale/pokeold/archive/kingin.htm website] even lists Lugia as one of the earliest known Pokémon whose data changed as a result of the delay (its Pokédex number was altered).

::More importantly, eight Pokémon designers were listed in the [[Staff of Pokémon Gold and Silver|game credits]]. Why wasn't Shudō's name included? He should have at least been given a special thanks if he had really designed one of the version mascots; I can't imagine that Game Freak wouldn't have given him credit where due.

::I don't wish to taint Shudō's reputation or anything like that, but it seems to me that he was fond of Lugia that he chose to embellish his part in its creation. I can easily believe that he was the one who coined the term "Pokémon X" and thought of associating Lugia with the bird trio, as well as giving it the role of a protector. But those things didn't influence the games at all, and I don't think that a blog column made more than 10 years after the fact is enough to change that. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 08:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

::: Your opinion can be understood. It might be a person who thought about the conception. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe change it to "helped with the creation of Lugia". —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== TCG Water-type trivia ==

With the possible exceptions of Beedrill, Venemoth and Flying Pikachu's Fighting type resistance, is Lugia the only Pokemon depicted as having a type it does not actually have? Excluding Delta Species, etc. obviously. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

== ...... ==

Why was my trivia was taken out? It was relevant--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Do you mean this?
:''Lugia seems to represent the moon and shares this distinction with {{p|Lunatone}} ''
:While I wasn't the one who removed it, how exactly does it represent the moon (and Ho-Oh the sun)? The only proof I can think of is that the title screen of Silver, featuring Lugia, is set at night, while the Gold title screen with Ho-Oh is during the day. If you can provide good evidence for it then they could be added back. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::The Silver title screen wasn't during the night. It was under water. You can't tell if it's night or day. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 23:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Instead of 'seems to', I think it'd be better to use 'may', and to omit the part about Lunatone, because it misrepresents the trivia item as fact, though I think it may be a bit too speculative to add in the first place, since there isn't really a good reason why it may be considered a representation of the moon or nighttime. Also, Ash0011, please be a bit more specific in your discussion titles in the future, thanks. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 00:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Actually, you're (Jo The Marten) right, I just looked up the opening for SoulSilver on Youtibe, and if it is underwater, the Silver one will be too. I blame the GameBoy's crap graphics. So, no proof for that trivia then. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Well it doesn't help that Gold and Silver had the [http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy/pokegs/sheet/18974 same background for the intro], just different colors. ^^; So while Ho-oh is in the clouds, it can look like Lugia is above a dark sky. But yes, I saw no solid evidence of their speculation so I removed the trivia. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 00:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well I actually thought that Lugia was supposed to be flying over the waves of the sea, but I'm starting to get a bit off-topic now. So unless Ash0011 or someone else can provide evidence otherwise, no evidence for Lugia at least. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::#1 it's supposed to be silver a color commonly attributed to the moon #2 it is psychic and the whole thing about the moon and supernatural powers #3 it also can control water despite being psychic and the moon controlls the tides... need I go on--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 23:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:# Is it associated with the moon?
:# ???
:# Besides using Water-type attacks, Lugia doesn't control the seas, and has never been mentioned to.
'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
: the water attaks are what I meant and it's also very so associated with water being refered to as king of the sea in the anime--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 01:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Required for Pokédex completion in DPPt? ==

Lugia and Ho-Oh were considered "Event Pokémon" for the duration of the 4th generation before HeartGold and SoulSilver were released. Were they counted in the completion of the DPPt Pokédex? If not, this would be worthy trivia. --[[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 03:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
:That's almost certainly ''why'' they were considered event Pokémon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
So... Were they required? - [[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 21:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:As far as I'm aware, Pokémon marked as 'event' in the Dex coding are marked as such so that it still counts as a completed dex if they are not obtained. I don't know of any other reason why it would be necessary to mark them as such. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Possible Trivia? ==

Despite the fact that it has the ability to create powerful storms for days, it can not learn [[Hurricane (move)|Hurricane]]. It was mentioned on the move's page, should it be also mentioned here, or is there no point in adding it? ---''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 04:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure it should be mentioned at all. Powerful storms doesn't necessarily mean a Hurricane. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
::*Good point, just was wondering since that it is mentioned under the move's trivia. ---[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 03:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== reasons lugia and ho-oh represent the sun and the moon ==

Points that show lugia represents the moon: referred to as the king of the sea in the anime, uses water type attacks despite no water type affiliation(like the moon controls the tides, pictured underwater despite not having any other water type affiliation, it is silver (the color of the moon), its opposite ho-oh represents the sun. [[Ho-oh]] represents the sun because: it uses fire-type attacks, it bears a direct similarity to the phoenix (wich is commonly associated with the sun), its wings are the colors of the rainbow (bent sunlight) these two could have nothing to do with the sun and the moon, but with the given evidence the chances of that are astronomically slim--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 02:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
If nobody objects in the next day or so then I'm going to add this as trivia.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 18:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
:[[Talk:Lugia_(Pokémon)#......|This is still here.]] I doubt anyone's opinion on this has changed, otherwise they would have stated. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:35, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

== Editing ==

I removed the name origin part about Lu- coming from luna meaning moon. Also removed how it may come from beluga and how its appearance may also be based off it. Being white and big is all they have in common.

The blurb about it looking like a stegosaurus did not make much sense to list, giving that the previous wyvern example better represents it since it's origin is from a dragon. {{unsigned|Since97andOn}}

== Trivia addition ==

Is it worth mentioning that although multiple sources say Lugia can create whirlpools at will (and it is found at the Whirl Islands), Lugia cannot learn the move Whirlpool by any means? [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 05:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
:Except that it can in Generations II and IV. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 05:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

= Weird trivia nonsense =

"It is suggested that Ryūjin, a dragon who lived on the ocean floor and was the Shinto god of the sea, is a possible basis for Lugia. The two have similarities in mythology, and further evidence lies in Lugia's Shiny coloration: red and white are also the colors of the coral of which the Ryūgū-jō's palace was mad" It doesn't make sense to cite this as evidence [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 07:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC) for anything, although I do believe that this is part of Lugia's origin. There are so many random Pokemon with random colours, why would this be evidence for anything??

List of references to Pulseman

2012-06-18T08:57:55Z

Flintlock:

{{fan speculation}}

The [[Pokémon games]] and the [[wp:Pulseman|Pulseman]] games are both made by the same company, [[Game Freak]]. Understandably, the two games often reference each other, and thus, a list of possible references to Pulseman are listed here. These references are most prominent in [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl]], but appear in other [[generations]] as well.

==List of references==
*The computer Pulseman was born on is named the Saint Ann (サントアンヌ) which is also the Japanese name of the [[S.S. Anne]].
*{{p|Ledian}} bears a very significant resemblance to Pulseman.
*{{p|Bisharp}} also bears a strong resemblance to Pulseman.
*The Gunfish enemy that appears underwater in Stage 6 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Remoraid}}, as they are both combinations of fish and revolver pistols.
*The birdlike enemy in Stage 2 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Xatu}}, as they both share a nearly identical color scheme and similar shape.
*The design for the boss in the Stage 4 of the Pulseman mimicks the [Registeels] design.
*{{m|Volt Tackle}}'s Japanese name, ボルテッカー ''Volteccer'', comes from Pulseman, and is the name of Pulseman's signature attack, where he flies around as a ball of electricity. The Final Smash version of Volt Tackle used by [[Pikachu (Super Smash Bros.)|Pikachu]] in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] closely resembles Pulseman's Voltecker.
*Although "[[Team Galactic]]" is not incorrect, a more literal translation of the Japanese name is "Galaxy Gang", possibly a reference to the Galaxy Gang in Pulseman. [[Charon]]'s design can be based off Doc Waruyama, the main antagonist and a leader of Galaxy Gang in Pulseman.
*{{p|Hariyama}}'s name can be a corruption of Doc Waruyama's name.
*A partial amalgam of ''pulse'' may also be present in {{p|Plusle}}'s name.
*{{p|Rotom}} appears to be based on Pulseman, although it may also be inspired by the unexplained phenomenon of ball lightning.
*Lisa Hatfield, a character from Pulseman, was on the logo art of Pokémon Journal at the Game Freak Web page. The design for {{ga|May}} and [[Cross-canon counterparts#May's counterparts|her counterparts]] can be based off Lisa Hatfield.
*{{ga|Barry}}'s battle music has several notes that resemble a portion of Neo Tokyo's music from Pulseman. ([[Junichi Masuda]] also composed for Pulseman.) Many other pieces of music from Pulseman also have similar features to Pokémon music.

==Related articles==
*[[List of cross-canon references]]
*[[List of cross-generational references]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Lists]]

Talk:List of references to Pulseman

2012-06-18T08:57:11Z

Flintlock:

Maybe this arcticle would better off being named "List of references to other video games", to include the [[Digger Drill]]'s reference to [[wp:Drill Dozer|Drill Dozer]] and other such instances [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Not just other videogames, since I can think of some film and television references as well. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 09:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, still, Pulseman and Drill Dozer are both Game Freak games. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I understand making this page into "List of references to Game Freak games", but shouldn't other references get another list? "References to other media"? --Paperfairy [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Paperfairy ☆] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paperfairy ・] 12:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. Other media would certainly be notable, as most game companies reference their previous works anyway, so references to others would be more unexpected. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to expand the subject of this article to other Game Freak games, since the original Pokémon games had a reference to Mario & Wario (the Copycat had it in her SNES). --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 21:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you guys missed a huge bit of trivia. Bisharp is another Pokemon directly based on Pulseman. It's pretty obvious when you compare the two. I mentioned it in the discussion page of Bisharp as well. ([[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 06:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC))

I noticed that a bit of trivia says that Regigigas resembles a boss at the end of one of the stages, but I went on youtube and watched a playthrough and he really resembles Registeel more than Regigigas. It's a metal floating ball wiht dots for eyes...

[[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 08:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Druddigon (Pokémon)

2012-06-18T08:54:51Z

Flintlock:

==Possible origin?==

There's a lot of Mother references in Earthbound. I noticed that the Crag Lizard looked similar in concept and design to Druddigon. Is there an article that lists all the Earthbound/Mother and Pokemon references like the Pulseman page? I don't know enough about hte specifics to really start a page. (Who went on to work with what.)

Anyways, here's a picture. I can't decide if it's a coincidence or not.

http://earthbound.wikia.com/wiki/Crag_Lizard

[[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 08:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

==Legendary==
Is this Pokémon legendary? I really can hardly tell, but it says it has gender in the article. Can you catch more than one in the game? Can it reproduce? --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 15:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:What makes you think that it is legendary? Stats? Pokédex location? Egg group? You can read from trivia that it isn't.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 15:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::The fact that it's a pure Dragon-type that doesn't evolve, Gen V's crazy numeric system where Legendaries aren't necesarily all last or grouped together and the few Legendaries that do have gender, but maybe it's not Legendary since it's says it 1:1 male to female implying multiple of them? --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 17:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::As far as I know, it's not legendary.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::::It's not. They're readily available in the tower north of Sekka Town. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 21:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'd just like to note that the legend order isn't messed up, they are ALL at the end of the Pokédex with no interference. Also, {{p|Heatran|previous legendary Pokémon}} have had a gender. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::: [[Victini]] would like to have a word with you on that.
:::::: Also, so this doesn't seem like spam, "Crimgan has the lowest base stat total of all fully evolved Dragon-type Pokémon." Why put fully evolved if it doesn't evolve? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 21:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Um, that's exactly why. A fully evolved Pokémon can't evolve.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

==Trivia==
So would it be redundant to say that it has the lowest Speed, Special Attack, etc. of all fully evolved dragon types? Because it already says it had the lowest base stat total, I'm wondering if they're kind of the same. --[[User:GrandPeonLv.100|Grand]][[User Talk:GrandPeonLv.100|Peon]]Lv100 23:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:No, that would not be redundant. The base stat total is the number you get when you add all of its base stats together, so it does not mean that one or the other is always true. I have added the two stats which are lowest of all fully-evolved Dragon-type Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

== Coloring Origin ==

Is it possible that it's coloring is based on that of the Blue Malaysian coral snake(''Maticora bivirgata'')? The snake has a similar red head with blue body and lightly colored underside. [[User:Karnik555|Karnik555]] 15:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
:Based on {{wp|Calliophis bivirgatus|the Wikipedia article}}'s image, not really. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:42, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
::I think the page is incorrect about Druddigon and the gargoyle/dragon thing. From the first time I saw it, this came to mind: [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Tyrannosaurus_BW.jpg] [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] 20:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== Name? ==

In the Anime his name is spelt Drudigon is pronounced Drudigin? {{unsigned|Emeraldben}}
:Not to be a grammar nazi, but it is spelled as Druddigon, and yes, it's pronounced "Drudd-uh-gen" (as far as the anime goes, it might be pronounced differently when it appears in another episode, kind of like in the first ever episode, [[Ratatta]] was pronounced as "Rah-tah-tah".) By the way, please sign your comments, thank you. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] 09:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::If I may add, the way Druddigon is pronounced is not that different from how dragon is pronounced. We don't usually say it like "dra-gon". We say "dra-gen" or "dra-gin". So I believe that it is a correct pronunciation. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
*ah yeah good point dragon druddigon [[User:Emeraldben|Emeraldben]] 11:28, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
* I always figured it was based off the Welsh dragon, never watched the anime so I never heard how they pronounced it. In Welsh, the dd comes out more like a "wh" sound, hard to explain over the internet how it would precisely be said but what you essentially get it "dra-wh-gin"... for all you family guy watchers, think of how Stewie pronounces the "whip" in cool whip. The design also reminds me a lot of the welsh dragon, which is why I ended up naming mine Dilwyn. And no, I'm not from Wales, I'm just currently taking Celtic Studies at my school.[[user: blackamber]]

Talk:Legendary giants/Archive 1

2012-06-18T08:53:13Z

Flintlock:

==Weird Mother 3 connection?==

Does anyoen think that the Regi Trio look very similar to the Barrier Trio from Mother 3? They're a trio of 3 golems with dots for eyes. I'm not sure where to even discuss this, as it would be Mother 3 paying homage to Pokemon. But it's such a weird thing to make an homage to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj50eK4Qcx8

[[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 08:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Are they really called that? I've only heard them referred to as "The regis"-Birdboy2000

They are golems, that's correct. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 03:10, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I dunno, I call them '''Gits'''. Each one of thier nicknames on my Sapphire has a profanity because of how stressed I got trying to capture them. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

The beings they were designed to resemble were the mythical Golems, which have little relation to {{p|Golem}}. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 10:33, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've heard them referred to as the Llegendary Trashcans and the Regis. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 10:35, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

For the sake of argument, I'll mention now that ''rex'' and ''regis'' are '''both''' singular in Latin. (However, ''rex'' is nominative, ''regis'' is genitive.) The nominative plural is ''reges''. (If you've ever wondered why the plural and possessive as so similar in English, well, same thing applies here. Blame the Proto-Indo-Europeans.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 13:32, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== About Area Leader Axley ==

Hey, that was a brilliant observation. I think it's possible that Flygon is there because one of its pre-evolved forms can learn {{m|Dig}} by leveling up. Remember Dig is also needed in the [[Sealed Chamber]]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rephrasing ==

The line "Unlike previous trios, the golems share much more similar names, ''at the cost'' of having their types be estranged from the standard..." is somewhat odd. How does having similar names cost them their potential types? How is Regifire and Regilectricity hard to do? Besides, the Regis are golems. Golems are constructs of materials by humans and somehow magically animated. I can't see anyone stacking fire (well, Diablo II did) or electricity into a golem... rock, ice and steel are much more conventional building blocks, as each are used in the construction of buildings. The lake trio doesn't fall under the standard types for trios either, but they don't have any cost associated with their names. I just find it wierd is all... --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 04:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, they were pretty much the first trio to have their types not the (then) standard Fire/Electric/Water-Ice, and the first trio whose names were similar. In fact... they're the ''only'' trio to do that. It's not the fact that their names cost them their types, it's just that their names are more similar, however, unlike the others, their types aren't the Gen I/II pattern. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 11:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::Which means that the phrasing of sentence needs to be revised, since there is no direct correlation between the two facts; both are simply examples of diverging from previous trios. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 11:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres are similar names; they each contain a Latin whole number in sequence, corresponding to its order in the Pokédex. I guess you can't really say they diverge from the norm since they were the originals, but the name and type differences of the Regis is really just a reference to their being golems, not one as a result of the other. I just think this line needs to be rewritten, but I'm not sure how to do so without just saying something to the effect of "Unlike the previous trios, the golems share more similar names and their types diverge from the standard..." --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 15:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I have already rewritten it as follows: "Unlike previous trios, the golems share much more similar names; additionally, their types are estranged from the standard Fire, Water/Ice and Electric trio." --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 15:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Their types diverge from the standard? The birds are ice, electric and fire. The beasts types diverge 33% from the "standard" only using electric and fire again. Regis have 66% different types used, only repeating ice. Where is the standard there? I only see a standard of changing a type or 2 as to get different combinations every generation instead of using the same three types over and over. [[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 21:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Besides they probably are that type to be more similar to the real golems. Both are made out of durable, hard, common materials.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 22:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== regigigas ==

in regigigas' pokedex entry, it states that it is made from rocks, ice, and ''magma''!
i don't see registeel being made out of magma!- ''unsigned comment from {{u|vik0z0z}} ([[User talk:vik0z0z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/vik0z0z|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Who said anything about involving the other regis in that?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::And doesn't magma have melted metal in it? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 16:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

==about the individual chambers in RSE==
Do the requirements to unlock each individual regi change between the different games? I'm replaying Ruby right now, and in order to unlock Regice, I had to wait two minutes for the chamber to open. With Registeel, I used fly not flash. And with Regirock, I had to take two steps ''right'', two down and use strength instead of rock smash. Is this a difference between Ruby/Sapphire with Emerald. There was the whole reversal of Relicanth and Wailord mentioned in the trivia section. [[User:Inspyre|Inspyre]] 16:01, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:The steps to open the chambers are different in Emerald than in RS, yes. It states the different steps on the respective chamber's articles. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 16:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"The trio can be caught in Pokémon Platinum, where a remixed version of the music used in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald is played. There are three other instances in the main series that a legendary trio or one of its members can be caught in a place that is not their native region (one of the legendary beasts can be caught in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, the legendary birds are available for capture in Platinum, roaming Sinnoh, and Moltres is available for capture in Johto's Mt. Silver)."

Shouldn't Latios and Latias in Kanto and the weather trio in Johto (both in HG/SS) be mentioned as well? --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 13:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Oops, I guess Latios and Latias wouldn't fit into the whole "trio" thing. How silly of me. --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 13:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

==Emerald Encounters==
Shouldn't it be written how you encounter them in Pokemon Emerald since how they are encountered in Ruby/Sapphire and how they are encountered in Emerald are completely different. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 23:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary giants/Archive 1

2012-06-18T08:51:45Z

Flintlock:

==Weird Mother 3 connection?==

Does anyoen think that the Regi Trio look very similar to the Barrier Trio from Mother 3? They're a trio of 3 golems with dots for eyes. I'm not sure where to even discuss this, as it would be Mother 3 paying homage to Pokemon. But it's such a weird thing to make an homage to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj50eK4Qcx8

Are they really called that? I've only heard them referred to as "The regis"-Birdboy2000

They are golems, that's correct. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 03:10, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I dunno, I call them '''Gits'''. Each one of thier nicknames on my Sapphire has a profanity because of how stressed I got trying to capture them. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

The beings they were designed to resemble were the mythical Golems, which have little relation to {{p|Golem}}. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 10:33, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've heard them referred to as the Llegendary Trashcans and the Regis. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 10:35, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

For the sake of argument, I'll mention now that ''rex'' and ''regis'' are '''both''' singular in Latin. (However, ''rex'' is nominative, ''regis'' is genitive.) The nominative plural is ''reges''. (If you've ever wondered why the plural and possessive as so similar in English, well, same thing applies here. Blame the Proto-Indo-Europeans.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 13:32, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== About Area Leader Axley ==

Hey, that was a brilliant observation. I think it's possible that Flygon is there because one of its pre-evolved forms can learn {{m|Dig}} by leveling up. Remember Dig is also needed in the [[Sealed Chamber]]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rephrasing ==

The line "Unlike previous trios, the golems share much more similar names, ''at the cost'' of having their types be estranged from the standard..." is somewhat odd. How does having similar names cost them their potential types? How is Regifire and Regilectricity hard to do? Besides, the Regis are golems. Golems are constructs of materials by humans and somehow magically animated. I can't see anyone stacking fire (well, Diablo II did) or electricity into a golem... rock, ice and steel are much more conventional building blocks, as each are used in the construction of buildings. The lake trio doesn't fall under the standard types for trios either, but they don't have any cost associated with their names. I just find it wierd is all... --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 04:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, they were pretty much the first trio to have their types not the (then) standard Fire/Electric/Water-Ice, and the first trio whose names were similar. In fact... they're the ''only'' trio to do that. It's not the fact that their names cost them their types, it's just that their names are more similar, however, unlike the others, their types aren't the Gen I/II pattern. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 11:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::Which means that the phrasing of sentence needs to be revised, since there is no direct correlation between the two facts; both are simply examples of diverging from previous trios. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 11:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres are similar names; they each contain a Latin whole number in sequence, corresponding to its order in the Pokédex. I guess you can't really say they diverge from the norm since they were the originals, but the name and type differences of the Regis is really just a reference to their being golems, not one as a result of the other. I just think this line needs to be rewritten, but I'm not sure how to do so without just saying something to the effect of "Unlike the previous trios, the golems share more similar names and their types diverge from the standard..." --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 15:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I have already rewritten it as follows: "Unlike previous trios, the golems share much more similar names; additionally, their types are estranged from the standard Fire, Water/Ice and Electric trio." --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 15:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Their types diverge from the standard? The birds are ice, electric and fire. The beasts types diverge 33% from the "standard" only using electric and fire again. Regis have 66% different types used, only repeating ice. Where is the standard there? I only see a standard of changing a type or 2 as to get different combinations every generation instead of using the same three types over and over. [[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 21:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Besides they probably are that type to be more similar to the real golems. Both are made out of durable, hard, common materials.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 22:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== regigigas ==

in regigigas' pokedex entry, it states that it is made from rocks, ice, and ''magma''!
i don't see registeel being made out of magma!- ''unsigned comment from {{u|vik0z0z}} ([[User talk:vik0z0z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/vik0z0z|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Who said anything about involving the other regis in that?--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::And doesn't magma have melted metal in it? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 16:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

==about the individual chambers in RSE==
Do the requirements to unlock each individual regi change between the different games? I'm replaying Ruby right now, and in order to unlock Regice, I had to wait two minutes for the chamber to open. With Registeel, I used fly not flash. And with Regirock, I had to take two steps ''right'', two down and use strength instead of rock smash. Is this a difference between Ruby/Sapphire with Emerald. There was the whole reversal of Relicanth and Wailord mentioned in the trivia section. [[User:Inspyre|Inspyre]] 16:01, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:The steps to open the chambers are different in Emerald than in RS, yes. It states the different steps on the respective chamber's articles. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 16:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"The trio can be caught in Pokémon Platinum, where a remixed version of the music used in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald is played. There are three other instances in the main series that a legendary trio or one of its members can be caught in a place that is not their native region (one of the legendary beasts can be caught in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, the legendary birds are available for capture in Platinum, roaming Sinnoh, and Moltres is available for capture in Johto's Mt. Silver)."

Shouldn't Latios and Latias in Kanto and the weather trio in Johto (both in HG/SS) be mentioned as well? --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 13:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Oops, I guess Latios and Latias wouldn't fit into the whole "trio" thing. How silly of me. --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 13:12, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

==Emerald Encounters==
Shouldn't it be written how you encounter them in Pokemon Emerald since how they are encountered in Ruby/Sapphire and how they are encountered in Emerald are completely different. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 23:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Genesect (Pokémon)

2012-06-18T08:47:05Z

Flintlock: /* Genesect a reference to Neon Genesis Evangelion? */

==Genesect a reference to Neon Genesis Evangelion?==

http://i.imgur.com/WNgWa

I think Genesect may be an homage to Neon Genesis Evangelion. The colour of him and his shiny sprite look very similar to the Unit-01 and Unit-02 respectively. Even down to the secondary colours used on the eyes. The stripe on the abdomen looks like the stripe on the Evas midsections. The origin story of Genesect is also very similar. The Eva units were created from a humanoid alien and modified to be piloted. The eva units are actually biological creatures with armour and a cockpit attached. Genesect's head looks similar to the mass produced eva units long heads. (Not pictured.) The choice of colours seems pretty deliberate.

[[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 08:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

== Can this be removed? ==

I can't stress this enough Just because somthing looks simmilar to somthing else does not say anything about it's origin. Can the part about the Napalm man be removed? It is speculation and therfore does not belong in the origin section, unless there is evidence to support it (If some is found please tell me what it is). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 00:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Last of National Dex Trivia==
I noticed this and thought it would be good trivia:
*"Genesect is the only Pokémon that was at one point the final Pokémon in the National Dex that could not be a {{type|Psychic}}."
Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, and Arceus holding a Mind Plate for the record. Also, Dennis. [[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 11:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Genesect: Mewtwo of Gen V ==

I got a lot of hunches on this pokemon being artificially created by Team Plasma. There are some reasons why: First, both are being developed as the most strongest pokemon created by science. Second, they originated from the remains of a extinct pokemon (Mewtwo originated from a fossilized hair of Mew and Genesect originated from a bug-like fossil). Third, both villainous group shares the same goal on making them the strongest pokemon ever created to rule the world. And fourth, both of them escaped for unknown reasons in the games. But I know there are more to this relation, somehow....
[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 02:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Uh like what? Lots of Gen V Pokémon have similarities. Doesn't mean they're related. Also, Mewtwo being created by Team Rocket isn't confirmed to be canon in the games. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 02:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::It's not confirmed because it isn't true. Mr. Fuji and Blaine weren't a part of TR in the games [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Note that the Pokédex entry says RE-constructed meaning that it probably wasn't created by team plasma in the first place, probably created by some anciant race or the monarchy. Still it is unlikely that it has any relation to any of the other Pokémon. --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Origin of Genesect? ==

Maybe it's a plural/singular grammatical issue, but the article says that

"Genesect may be generally based on the giant insects of the Paleozoic era, although its Steel-type features give it a somewhat robotic appearance. It has existed for 300 million years, making it as old as the cockroach."

Does "it" refer to "giant insects" or does it refer to Genesect, for if it refers to Genesect, than it's wrong right? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 02:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:What are you suggesting is wrong? Genesect has existed for 300 million years, it says so in its Black dex entry (which I haven't gotten around to translating and adding yet). I'm not quite sure if that really fits in its origin section, though... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm... so what it's saying is that it's had a gun (albeit less powerful) from over 300 million years ago? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 18:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Is Genesect actualy robotic or part robotic? This may very easily be irelevent to the outcome of it's origin, but it reminds me of Atlatian technology. It was believed that the technology of Atlantis could be used to creat powerful Vehicles, wepons and atomatons. It also says in the Pokédex that it was reconstructed suggesting it was created by someone other than team plasma (althogh I don't know who). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 19:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::part robotic [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Could the "others" be the pigmask army form MOTHER 3? They took normal creatures and turned them into cyborgs also knows as chimeras, possibly a reference to Mother 3? could you add this it the trivia section?
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 08:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera
:::::what does Mother 3 have to do with this? Lot's of series do this...sonic the hedgehog for example [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 08:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The people who worked on MOTHER 3 also worked on Pokemon, this is why Mewtwo looks like Giygas.
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 22:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera

== Romanization ==

Isn't the Katakana pronounced Genosect (Genosekuto), not Genesect? ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 22:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:From what I understand, Genesect's the name that's been officially trademarked.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::This should be brought up again as it has not been trademarked Genesect, at least as far as the information available online on the official JP trademark database. Unless someone has a source it should be changed. [[User:Pokejungle|Pokejungle]] 06:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Genesect.com, Keldeo.com, Tsutarja.com, mijumaru.com, pokabu.com. All parked by the same company. Can you drop the romanization issue now? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 06:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Artwork?==

I was wondering - what will be done for artwork section of the event legendary Pokémon until their official Ken Sugimori art is released? I remember Arceus had fan art until its Sugimori art is revealed, so will Kerudio, Meloetta, and Genesect follow the same route? I'd be happy to provide Sugimori-style artwork for them if that ends up being the case. I know this is probably jumping the gun quite a bit, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 22:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Most likely we will get Dream World art. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, I doubt Dream World art will be released before Genesect itself is (what purpose would it have, besides appearing to condone hacking?). And Sugimori art will likely be released at the same time. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, for some reason I completely forgot about Dream World art at the time I was writing that. If it doesn't get Dream World art before its Sugimori art is released, though, I'll still be glad to provide art for it and the other event Legendary Pokémon. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::::At the moment at least, Dream World art looks very unlikely, as all of the site's Pokemon listings drop off after #646. There's nothing stopping it being added in an upgrade, but that probably won't be until the official release, which would bring Sugimori Art too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I've seen Sugimori's official art, but It's JPEG, Low quality, little dimensions and isn't all that good. There's no good images of Genesect you can find right now. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 15:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, it wasn't actually Sugimori artwork. Probably Fan art. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 20:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
:The piece I offer to use in this article is [http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/031/3/a/genosect_v_4_by_xous54-d38igum.png[this one]]. I'd be able to remove my watermarks should it be found acceptable. (I can also supply a full-size version if necessary.) And, as I mentioned earlier, I could supply artwork for the two formes of Meloetta and artwork for Keldeo to serve as placeholders until their official art is revealed. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 03:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Didn't we use fanmade sprites for Zorua and Zoroark once? I mean, we could simply put up that "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" tag again if we use fanart for these three.... Doesn't that seem like an idea? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 16:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if there's been a policy change regarding using fan art as placeholders, but in the case of Arceus there was simply a tiny line of text below the image stating "Fan Artwork of Arceus" or something to that effect. I would upload the artwork to the articles myself, but I don't want to break any rules or overstep my bounds, and I really don't know how I'd go about adding the artwork (and I don't want to risk messing up the pages). [[User:Xous|Xous]] 02:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::I can give you some very well-made fan art from [[Keldeo]], [[Meloetta]] and [[Genesect]], if you want !
::--[[User:Wolfy|Wolfy]] 10:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trade? ==

In the obtaining section of the page, it says Genesect is only available by trading. What does this mean?—[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's default for unobtainable Pokémon, it should be changed.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 11:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::No, it shouldn't. For Pokémon with no in-game location, it should just say trade. Events don't count unless they give access to an in-game location. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Dennis ==

I heard almost everyone at YouTUBE giving Genosect the nickname Dennis due to the confusion caused with Geechisu's battle music. Prior to the reveal it was Geechisu's theme instead of Genesect's theme everybody called it Dennis due to the chorus in the track. Not sure if alot of people still refer to him as such now but could we atleast mention it since Tsutarja's page mentioned Smugleaf? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not even that popular, so no. It's only notable for Smugleaf because the popular video game blog site, Kotaku, made it. - [[User:050294|050294]] 04:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, Smugleaf is notable because it was mentioned in [[a:File:NZAU_Magazine_Scan.jpg|an official Nintendo magazine]], ''not'' because it was made by a popular site. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Hm, that was in the UK Nintendo magazine too, so I guess it was in two magazines. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Really? ==

"Genesect is currently the only Pokémon which names a villainous team in its Pokédex entry." The game isn't even out in English, and this is in the article? The pokedex entry doesn't have any English words (obviously, but I wanted to make sure anyway) Are we going by some translation that could potentially be wrong? Or was this ACTUALLY mentioned somewhere? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Hmmm... not sure whether to withdraw this or not. There's a supposedly correct translation when the mouse is hovered over the pokedex entry, but I'd at least like to know where it came from because I doubt it's correct. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::It came from {{u|Umeko}} who is a Japanese speaker. She has gone through and translated just about every Pokédex entry that is on Bulbapedia. They're the Japanese entries that are placeholders until the English games come out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:::oh ok thank you for telling me. I was confused when I first saw that bit of trivia. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== Evolution? ==

Why are the 5 different images of Genesect shown in the evolution? The cassettes only affect ONE move and a coloring of ONE detail, nothing else. It's no major forme change and is far less impressive than Arceus's formes, doesn't change stats, type or anything like others like Meloetta for instance. I don't think it should be considered to evolve. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 01:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:It isn't evolution, it's forme change, first of all. Second, Genesect's different formes' sprites are needed just as much as Gender differences are. Gender differences don't effect type, moves, stats, or anything! It's just a "small" difference in appearence, but its still used because it makes the article more complete showing what the different genders look like. Just like how showing Genesect's different formes make the page more complete by showing what it looks like when holding specific items. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 02:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, I know the differences between forme, evolution and gender and this is not really making much sense. Look at Arceus, Its coloring changes but so does Its ''type'' when it holds its objects that give it that forme change - Similar to Genesect's cassettes, but a bigger change. Secondly, everyone came after me when I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kenhorou_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1234971#Evolution this], a very obvious, but according to all the other users who ganged up on me, unimportant difference, as was also pointed out to me with [[Burungel (Pokémon)|this one]]. Genesect is somewhere between these two cases, but mostly, if ''Arceus'' is not considered evolved through its forme changes, Genesect definitely shouldn't be either. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 02:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I think the only reason Arceus doesn't do it is because of how ludicrously big it would be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The thing is that there is a distinction between Forme differences and gender differences. Other than gender differences, however, every Pokémon with different forms should have the appropriate special displays on their page (even those, such as Genesect, where the minimal difference only lends itself to a larger evobox.)--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::On a somewhat related note, I don't quite like how the form evoboxes are set up. Using Genesect's as an example, it is linear, so it says that only certain forms can change to other ones, which is not true. Genesect holding any kind of cassette (or none at all) can then switch items to any other (or discard it). The evobox should be a big circle with arrows going between all possible combinations. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Might be easier to not use any arrows at all. Two-way arrows or simple lines could seem messy if we can instead figure out a placement that doesn't lend itself to strict ordering. How about 3 above and 2 below, or 2 above and 3 below? Or 2, 2, 1, with no Cassette as the odd one out? Or if that circle is really on the table, just place them in it unconnected. But other than that, I definitely see the merit in toticombinatory arrows. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 17:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Worth Noting? ==

Should it be written that Genesect is the third man made Pokemon after Porygon and Mewtwo. I count Porygon as one since its two evolved forms are simply upgraded versions of it. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 18:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:[[Artificial Pokémon]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== Forme Change ==

Genesect's Evolution section makes it as if, for example, that Genesect must first equip the Lightning Cassette before equipping the Blaze Cassette which simply isn't the case. Is there a way to do this to make it so its clear that all the formes are interchangeable? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 18:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unable to see image ==

i am unable to see the images for genesect, keldeo, and meloetta. All there i see is a link of some sort. Can anybody please clarify why i am unable to see these images? [[User:Karnik555|Karnik555]] 00:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:Because it has not been uploaded and they don't exist. So, we can't really upload one now can we? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

==Genesis?==
Genesect does not have an official pronunciation as of yet; it could be jenna-sect for all we know. I was wondering if the "Gene" prefix could refer to genesis, in one instance meaning the beginning of something. The games say Genesect has existed for quite a long time, so could this be a name origin?-- [[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 04:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:A long time =/= beginning. It is isn't as unlikely and the option below, but it most likely refers to gene/genetics/a similar term. I am not going to completely oppose it being added, but I do think it shouldn't be there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Genocide? ==

Could the name come from the term 'genocide'? {{unsigned|Fencingwolf13}}
:Possibly, due to its large cannon, and that it was apparently the most feared hunter in its time. There have been much less likely name origin theories, so it should be added. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
::The fact that it was specifically romanized "Gen'''e'''sect" makes me doubt that. It was genetically engineered, so it almost certainly comes from gene/genetics/a similar term. And situations where . --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It should be noted that Japan does not have a romanised word for Genocide starting with ゲノ. Genocide is romanized as ジェノサイド (JEnosaido.) What the Geno part in its name refers to is actually Genome (ゲノム/Ge-no-mu, and that's Geh, not Jee)... Which is why I think the English name is utterly ridiculous because it never was referring to Genocide in the slightest. Design be damned. I'd personally prefer it if people removed the thing about Genocide in the name details, since it's never referred to that at all. Common sense and language knowledge here, people. Callyne4 23:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

==Edit Request==
Why is this page protected? Basically, I was going to modify two pieces of trivia, to look like this:

* ''Genesect is the only {{type|Bug}} [[legendary Pokémon]], excluding {{p|Arceus}} holding the [[Insect Plate]]''.

* ''Despite it being its [[signature move]], Genesect cannot receive STAB from {{m|Techno Buster}}.''

'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:The page should only be protected to new users. Any user that is autoconfirmed (which you are) should be able to edit it. This was done to all the Pokémon pages as too many new users were adding names which have not been officially released. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
::I now know whats happnened, I've seen the locked banner and automatically assumed that I was unable to edit it, lol. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

It would be a good idea to make a little template that only shows one form of Genesect at a time (ie, normal, holding blaze cassette, holding aqua cassette, etc) like Arceus's one? I've had this idea because the only difference are some color details and techno buster's type. --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 15:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Arceus's one only does that because it has so many sprites. It is much better this way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, why is its normal front Chill Drive Sprite brighter than the muted colors of the rest of the front spires and ALL back sprites? Someone's error or real in-game discoloration? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:I checked by opening the Chill Drive sprite and another sprite in two tabs, and switching between them, yet I see absolutly no change, other than the intended drive color swap. And neither sprite had been uploaded over. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Genesect ==

Has somone hacked the game to find out Genesect, Keldeo and Melloetta are in fact the english names, or are thay still unconfirmed? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course many people have hacked them. For example, Youtube is full of Genesect videos.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 19:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
:: I kinda feel stupid now -_- but thanks [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Event ==

I know this is a stupid question and I probably shouldn't ask it but I'm getting impatient. When will the Genesect event launch? They're launching all the other events but not Genesect, {{p|Meloetta}} and {{p|Keldeo}}. Why is that? It just doesn't make any sense to me. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 21:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:Event Pokémon are usually revealed with movies. Plus, the games are still relatively new. They'll be revealed in time. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 21:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::Alright. I guess I'll just have to wait. I'm just really wanting Genesect. That's why I asked. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 21:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== The bullets in the first paragraph ==

Wouldn't they seem more appropriate under physiology? They seem sort of... out of place, especially right at the top of the page like that. [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 07:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the same thing. Consensus? - [[User:Poikins|'''poi''']][[User talk:Poikins|'''kins''']] 23:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Photon Blaster? ==

"It has a powerful cannon (named in the Techno Blast move as Photon Blaster)" I went to the page for {{m|Techno Blast}}, and nothing of the sort is mentioned. Where does this come from? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal Talian]] 05:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:Before the English version came out, we used the Japanese move description (see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Techno_Blast_(move)&diff=next&oldid=1392396 here]). We translated this as "The user aims and fires at the opponent with Photon Blaster. The type of the move changes depending on the held Cassette." This is in fact wrong, and the Japanese says almost exactly what the English move description does (except "light bullet" instead of "beam of light"). How somebody got Photon Blaster out of it I have no idea. Regardless, it is wrong, so I have removed it from the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== Type Effectiveness ==

It appears that the type effectiveness chart is misaligned, not only on Genesect, but on all Bug/Steel types. Is there a way to fix that, as of yet?--[[User:GregtehCollector|GregtehCollector]] 19:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
:On most type effectiveness charts, it's mostly misaligned, I'm not sure how to fix this at all, but I'm sure people are noticing it.[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 05:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
::Misaligned how? The text at the top is supposed to be indented. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Under ''Resistance against'' the Grass box is split in half and appears in the second column. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 02:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Oh, that issue. It's a known problem with the way Chrome (and other browsers that use the same code base) treats the wrapping css. The only thing we can do to fix it is rebuild the entire template without using it, which. . . is going to take time. We're talking full redesign, not just a simple code substitution. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:46, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

==How do we know?==

How do we know all of Genesect's moves? Also, how do we even know that it's real? Is it in the coding? Or did they reveal it subtly? [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 21:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's coded into the game. It can be obtained via hacking and it has its moves via that too. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

== Just to be sure before adding something. ==

I wanted to add this:

Also does it look like Genesect's head has the same shape as the (hollow) 'standard' of its cannon. Making it look like its head could kinda 'click' on the 'standard'. And also seems the hollow standard to be big enough to contain the rest of its body, giving Genesect's design the concept of 'Transformers'.

in the Physiology or Origin. But I'm not sure about copyright, so could anybody tell me if it's right or not? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 15:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

== What kind of Modifications did they Do to this pokemon!? ==

Genesect's head is Clearly a Beat Box of some kind, it takes music cassettes in to change the type of the attack "Techno Blast", but there's no reference to this anywhere on the page. Is it worth a notation of some sort? Or is it wiser to wait for more validiation, as it is after all the only pokemon not to have a full reveal now :P
[[User:Drake3011|Drake3011]] 19:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

== Polish name. ==

...you know we take Pokémon names from English? I've never saw or heard a name in Polish version of Pokémon that isn't the same as in English (except pronouncation, of course). Of course, I could miss something. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 17:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
:Mind if I ask your point? Genesect's Polish name is already on the page. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, it is. But why it is there if it's the same as English? Our games are in English, and we don't have our Pokémon names like Japan, [english-speaking countries], France or Spain... of course there could be exceptions, but as far as I saw, animé uses the same names, with most likely only {{tt|pronunciation|or whatever is this spelt}} changed. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 14:12, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
:::It's already been removed anyway, so don't worry about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:13, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
::::I guess I'm just a tad confused. So you don't have your own separate games in Polish, you just import the English versions? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:27, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::As far as I know, yes, we don't have separate games. This is why not many moves have Polish translation, as I get it from animé, while someone got few things like {{a|Drought}} from a book (guidebook I'll guess). Games themselves aren't officially translated (or I don't know anything about such games). I am not sure how we get them, though. Try talking to [[User talk:OldBen|OldBen]], as far as I know, he has such books (as he was the one to add Polish names for Drought, {{a|Drizzle}} and few other stuff). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:17, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Genesect (Pokémon)

2012-06-18T08:45:55Z

Flintlock:

==Genesect a reference to Neon Genesis Evangelion?==

http://i.imgur.com/WNgWa.jpg

I think Genesect may be an homage to Neon Genesis Evangelion. The colour of him and his shiny sprite look very similar to the Unit-01 and Unit-02 respectively. Even down to the secondary colours used on the eyes. The stripe on the abdomen looks like the stripe on the Evas midsections. The origin story of Genesect is also very similar. The Eva units were created from a humanoid alien and modified to be piloted. The eva units are actually biological creatures with armour and a cockpit attached. Genesect's head looks similar to the mass produced eva units long heads. (Not pictured.) The choice of colours seems pretty deliberate.

[[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 08:45, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

== Can this be removed? ==

I can't stress this enough Just because somthing looks simmilar to somthing else does not say anything about it's origin. Can the part about the Napalm man be removed? It is speculation and therfore does not belong in the origin section, unless there is evidence to support it (If some is found please tell me what it is). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 00:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Last of National Dex Trivia==
I noticed this and thought it would be good trivia:
*"Genesect is the only Pokémon that was at one point the final Pokémon in the National Dex that could not be a {{type|Psychic}}."
Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, and Arceus holding a Mind Plate for the record. Also, Dennis. [[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 11:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Genesect: Mewtwo of Gen V ==

I got a lot of hunches on this pokemon being artificially created by Team Plasma. There are some reasons why: First, both are being developed as the most strongest pokemon created by science. Second, they originated from the remains of a extinct pokemon (Mewtwo originated from a fossilized hair of Mew and Genesect originated from a bug-like fossil). Third, both villainous group shares the same goal on making them the strongest pokemon ever created to rule the world. And fourth, both of them escaped for unknown reasons in the games. But I know there are more to this relation, somehow....
[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 02:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Uh like what? Lots of Gen V Pokémon have similarities. Doesn't mean they're related. Also, Mewtwo being created by Team Rocket isn't confirmed to be canon in the games. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 02:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::It's not confirmed because it isn't true. Mr. Fuji and Blaine weren't a part of TR in the games [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Note that the Pokédex entry says RE-constructed meaning that it probably wasn't created by team plasma in the first place, probably created by some anciant race or the monarchy. Still it is unlikely that it has any relation to any of the other Pokémon. --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Origin of Genesect? ==

Maybe it's a plural/singular grammatical issue, but the article says that

"Genesect may be generally based on the giant insects of the Paleozoic era, although its Steel-type features give it a somewhat robotic appearance. It has existed for 300 million years, making it as old as the cockroach."

Does "it" refer to "giant insects" or does it refer to Genesect, for if it refers to Genesect, than it's wrong right? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 02:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:What are you suggesting is wrong? Genesect has existed for 300 million years, it says so in its Black dex entry (which I haven't gotten around to translating and adding yet). I'm not quite sure if that really fits in its origin section, though... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm... so what it's saying is that it's had a gun (albeit less powerful) from over 300 million years ago? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 18:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Is Genesect actualy robotic or part robotic? This may very easily be irelevent to the outcome of it's origin, but it reminds me of Atlatian technology. It was believed that the technology of Atlantis could be used to creat powerful Vehicles, wepons and atomatons. It also says in the Pokédex that it was reconstructed suggesting it was created by someone other than team plasma (althogh I don't know who). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 19:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::part robotic [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Could the "others" be the pigmask army form MOTHER 3? They took normal creatures and turned them into cyborgs also knows as chimeras, possibly a reference to Mother 3? could you add this it the trivia section?
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 08:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera
:::::what does Mother 3 have to do with this? Lot's of series do this...sonic the hedgehog for example [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 08:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The people who worked on MOTHER 3 also worked on Pokemon, this is why Mewtwo looks like Giygas.
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 22:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera

== Romanization ==

Isn't the Katakana pronounced Genosect (Genosekuto), not Genesect? ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 22:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:From what I understand, Genesect's the name that's been officially trademarked.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::This should be brought up again as it has not been trademarked Genesect, at least as far as the information available online on the official JP trademark database. Unless someone has a source it should be changed. [[User:Pokejungle|Pokejungle]] 06:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Genesect.com, Keldeo.com, Tsutarja.com, mijumaru.com, pokabu.com. All parked by the same company. Can you drop the romanization issue now? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 06:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Artwork?==

I was wondering - what will be done for artwork section of the event legendary Pokémon until their official Ken Sugimori art is released? I remember Arceus had fan art until its Sugimori art is revealed, so will Kerudio, Meloetta, and Genesect follow the same route? I'd be happy to provide Sugimori-style artwork for them if that ends up being the case. I know this is probably jumping the gun quite a bit, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 22:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Most likely we will get Dream World art. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, I doubt Dream World art will be released before Genesect itself is (what purpose would it have, besides appearing to condone hacking?). And Sugimori art will likely be released at the same time. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, for some reason I completely forgot about Dream World art at the time I was writing that. If it doesn't get Dream World art before its Sugimori art is released, though, I'll still be glad to provide art for it and the other event Legendary Pokémon. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::::At the moment at least, Dream World art looks very unlikely, as all of the site's Pokemon listings drop off after #646. There's nothing stopping it being added in an upgrade, but that probably won't be until the official release, which would bring Sugimori Art too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I've seen Sugimori's official art, but It's JPEG, Low quality, little dimensions and isn't all that good. There's no good images of Genesect you can find right now. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 15:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, it wasn't actually Sugimori artwork. Probably Fan art. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 20:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
:The piece I offer to use in this article is [http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/031/3/a/genosect_v_4_by_xous54-d38igum.png[this one]]. I'd be able to remove my watermarks should it be found acceptable. (I can also supply a full-size version if necessary.) And, as I mentioned earlier, I could supply artwork for the two formes of Meloetta and artwork for Keldeo to serve as placeholders until their official art is revealed. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 03:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Didn't we use fanmade sprites for Zorua and Zoroark once? I mean, we could simply put up that "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" tag again if we use fanart for these three.... Doesn't that seem like an idea? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 16:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if there's been a policy change regarding using fan art as placeholders, but in the case of Arceus there was simply a tiny line of text below the image stating "Fan Artwork of Arceus" or something to that effect. I would upload the artwork to the articles myself, but I don't want to break any rules or overstep my bounds, and I really don't know how I'd go about adding the artwork (and I don't want to risk messing up the pages). [[User:Xous|Xous]] 02:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::I can give you some very well-made fan art from [[Keldeo]], [[Meloetta]] and [[Genesect]], if you want !
::--[[User:Wolfy|Wolfy]] 10:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trade? ==

In the obtaining section of the page, it says Genesect is only available by trading. What does this mean?—[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's default for unobtainable Pokémon, it should be changed.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 11:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::No, it shouldn't. For Pokémon with no in-game location, it should just say trade. Events don't count unless they give access to an in-game location. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Dennis ==

I heard almost everyone at YouTUBE giving Genosect the nickname Dennis due to the confusion caused with Geechisu's battle music. Prior to the reveal it was Geechisu's theme instead of Genesect's theme everybody called it Dennis due to the chorus in the track. Not sure if alot of people still refer to him as such now but could we atleast mention it since Tsutarja's page mentioned Smugleaf? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not even that popular, so no. It's only notable for Smugleaf because the popular video game blog site, Kotaku, made it. - [[User:050294|050294]] 04:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, Smugleaf is notable because it was mentioned in [[a:File:NZAU_Magazine_Scan.jpg|an official Nintendo magazine]], ''not'' because it was made by a popular site. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Hm, that was in the UK Nintendo magazine too, so I guess it was in two magazines. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Really? ==

"Genesect is currently the only Pokémon which names a villainous team in its Pokédex entry." The game isn't even out in English, and this is in the article? The pokedex entry doesn't have any English words (obviously, but I wanted to make sure anyway) Are we going by some translation that could potentially be wrong? Or was this ACTUALLY mentioned somewhere? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Hmmm... not sure whether to withdraw this or not. There's a supposedly correct translation when the mouse is hovered over the pokedex entry, but I'd at least like to know where it came from because I doubt it's correct. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::It came from {{u|Umeko}} who is a Japanese speaker. She has gone through and translated just about every Pokédex entry that is on Bulbapedia. They're the Japanese entries that are placeholders until the English games come out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:::oh ok thank you for telling me. I was confused when I first saw that bit of trivia. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== Evolution? ==

Why are the 5 different images of Genesect shown in the evolution? The cassettes only affect ONE move and a coloring of ONE detail, nothing else. It's no major forme change and is far less impressive than Arceus's formes, doesn't change stats, type or anything like others like Meloetta for instance. I don't think it should be considered to evolve. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 01:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:It isn't evolution, it's forme change, first of all. Second, Genesect's different formes' sprites are needed just as much as Gender differences are. Gender differences don't effect type, moves, stats, or anything! It's just a "small" difference in appearence, but its still used because it makes the article more complete showing what the different genders look like. Just like how showing Genesect's different formes make the page more complete by showing what it looks like when holding specific items. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 02:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, I know the differences between forme, evolution and gender and this is not really making much sense. Look at Arceus, Its coloring changes but so does Its ''type'' when it holds its objects that give it that forme change - Similar to Genesect's cassettes, but a bigger change. Secondly, everyone came after me when I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kenhorou_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1234971#Evolution this], a very obvious, but according to all the other users who ganged up on me, unimportant difference, as was also pointed out to me with [[Burungel (Pokémon)|this one]]. Genesect is somewhere between these two cases, but mostly, if ''Arceus'' is not considered evolved through its forme changes, Genesect definitely shouldn't be either. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 02:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I think the only reason Arceus doesn't do it is because of how ludicrously big it would be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The thing is that there is a distinction between Forme differences and gender differences. Other than gender differences, however, every Pokémon with different forms should have the appropriate special displays on their page (even those, such as Genesect, where the minimal difference only lends itself to a larger evobox.)--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::On a somewhat related note, I don't quite like how the form evoboxes are set up. Using Genesect's as an example, it is linear, so it says that only certain forms can change to other ones, which is not true. Genesect holding any kind of cassette (or none at all) can then switch items to any other (or discard it). The evobox should be a big circle with arrows going between all possible combinations. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Might be easier to not use any arrows at all. Two-way arrows or simple lines could seem messy if we can instead figure out a placement that doesn't lend itself to strict ordering. How about 3 above and 2 below, or 2 above and 3 below? Or 2, 2, 1, with no Cassette as the odd one out? Or if that circle is really on the table, just place them in it unconnected. But other than that, I definitely see the merit in toticombinatory arrows. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 17:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Worth Noting? ==

Should it be written that Genesect is the third man made Pokemon after Porygon and Mewtwo. I count Porygon as one since its two evolved forms are simply upgraded versions of it. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 18:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:[[Artificial Pokémon]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== Forme Change ==

Genesect's Evolution section makes it as if, for example, that Genesect must first equip the Lightning Cassette before equipping the Blaze Cassette which simply isn't the case. Is there a way to do this to make it so its clear that all the formes are interchangeable? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 18:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unable to see image ==

i am unable to see the images for genesect, keldeo, and meloetta. All there i see is a link of some sort. Can anybody please clarify why i am unable to see these images? [[User:Karnik555|Karnik555]] 00:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:Because it has not been uploaded and they don't exist. So, we can't really upload one now can we? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

==Genesis?==
Genesect does not have an official pronunciation as of yet; it could be jenna-sect for all we know. I was wondering if the "Gene" prefix could refer to genesis, in one instance meaning the beginning of something. The games say Genesect has existed for quite a long time, so could this be a name origin?-- [[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 04:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:A long time =/= beginning. It is isn't as unlikely and the option below, but it most likely refers to gene/genetics/a similar term. I am not going to completely oppose it being added, but I do think it shouldn't be there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Genocide? ==

Could the name come from the term 'genocide'? {{unsigned|Fencingwolf13}}
:Possibly, due to its large cannon, and that it was apparently the most feared hunter in its time. There have been much less likely name origin theories, so it should be added. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
::The fact that it was specifically romanized "Gen'''e'''sect" makes me doubt that. It was genetically engineered, so it almost certainly comes from gene/genetics/a similar term. And situations where . --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It should be noted that Japan does not have a romanised word for Genocide starting with ゲノ. Genocide is romanized as ジェノサイド (JEnosaido.) What the Geno part in its name refers to is actually Genome (ゲノム/Ge-no-mu, and that's Geh, not Jee)... Which is why I think the English name is utterly ridiculous because it never was referring to Genocide in the slightest. Design be damned. I'd personally prefer it if people removed the thing about Genocide in the name details, since it's never referred to that at all. Common sense and language knowledge here, people. Callyne4 23:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

==Edit Request==
Why is this page protected? Basically, I was going to modify two pieces of trivia, to look like this:

* ''Genesect is the only {{type|Bug}} [[legendary Pokémon]], excluding {{p|Arceus}} holding the [[Insect Plate]]''.

* ''Despite it being its [[signature move]], Genesect cannot receive STAB from {{m|Techno Buster}}.''

'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:The page should only be protected to new users. Any user that is autoconfirmed (which you are) should be able to edit it. This was done to all the Pokémon pages as too many new users were adding names which have not been officially released. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
::I now know whats happnened, I've seen the locked banner and automatically assumed that I was unable to edit it, lol. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

It would be a good idea to make a little template that only shows one form of Genesect at a time (ie, normal, holding blaze cassette, holding aqua cassette, etc) like Arceus's one? I've had this idea because the only difference are some color details and techno buster's type. --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 15:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Arceus's one only does that because it has so many sprites. It is much better this way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, why is its normal front Chill Drive Sprite brighter than the muted colors of the rest of the front spires and ALL back sprites? Someone's error or real in-game discoloration? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:I checked by opening the Chill Drive sprite and another sprite in two tabs, and switching between them, yet I see absolutly no change, other than the intended drive color swap. And neither sprite had been uploaded over. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Genesect ==

Has somone hacked the game to find out Genesect, Keldeo and Melloetta are in fact the english names, or are thay still unconfirmed? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course many people have hacked them. For example, Youtube is full of Genesect videos.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 19:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
:: I kinda feel stupid now -_- but thanks [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Event ==

I know this is a stupid question and I probably shouldn't ask it but I'm getting impatient. When will the Genesect event launch? They're launching all the other events but not Genesect, {{p|Meloetta}} and {{p|Keldeo}}. Why is that? It just doesn't make any sense to me. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 21:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:Event Pokémon are usually revealed with movies. Plus, the games are still relatively new. They'll be revealed in time. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 21:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::Alright. I guess I'll just have to wait. I'm just really wanting Genesect. That's why I asked. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 21:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== The bullets in the first paragraph ==

Wouldn't they seem more appropriate under physiology? They seem sort of... out of place, especially right at the top of the page like that. [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 07:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the same thing. Consensus? - [[User:Poikins|'''poi''']][[User talk:Poikins|'''kins''']] 23:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Photon Blaster? ==

"It has a powerful cannon (named in the Techno Blast move as Photon Blaster)" I went to the page for {{m|Techno Blast}}, and nothing of the sort is mentioned. Where does this come from? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal Talian]] 05:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:Before the English version came out, we used the Japanese move description (see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Techno_Blast_(move)&diff=next&oldid=1392396 here]). We translated this as "The user aims and fires at the opponent with Photon Blaster. The type of the move changes depending on the held Cassette." This is in fact wrong, and the Japanese says almost exactly what the English move description does (except "light bullet" instead of "beam of light"). How somebody got Photon Blaster out of it I have no idea. Regardless, it is wrong, so I have removed it from the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== Type Effectiveness ==

It appears that the type effectiveness chart is misaligned, not only on Genesect, but on all Bug/Steel types. Is there a way to fix that, as of yet?--[[User:GregtehCollector|GregtehCollector]] 19:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
:On most type effectiveness charts, it's mostly misaligned, I'm not sure how to fix this at all, but I'm sure people are noticing it.[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 05:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
::Misaligned how? The text at the top is supposed to be indented. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Under ''Resistance against'' the Grass box is split in half and appears in the second column. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 02:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Oh, that issue. It's a known problem with the way Chrome (and other browsers that use the same code base) treats the wrapping css. The only thing we can do to fix it is rebuild the entire template without using it, which. . . is going to take time. We're talking full redesign, not just a simple code substitution. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:46, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

==How do we know?==

How do we know all of Genesect's moves? Also, how do we even know that it's real? Is it in the coding? Or did they reveal it subtly? [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 21:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's coded into the game. It can be obtained via hacking and it has its moves via that too. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

== Just to be sure before adding something. ==

I wanted to add this:

Also does it look like Genesect's head has the same shape as the (hollow) 'standard' of its cannon. Making it look like its head could kinda 'click' on the 'standard'. And also seems the hollow standard to be big enough to contain the rest of its body, giving Genesect's design the concept of 'Transformers'.

in the Physiology or Origin. But I'm not sure about copyright, so could anybody tell me if it's right or not? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 15:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

== What kind of Modifications did they Do to this pokemon!? ==

Genesect's head is Clearly a Beat Box of some kind, it takes music cassettes in to change the type of the attack "Techno Blast", but there's no reference to this anywhere on the page. Is it worth a notation of some sort? Or is it wiser to wait for more validiation, as it is after all the only pokemon not to have a full reveal now :P
[[User:Drake3011|Drake3011]] 19:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

== Polish name. ==

...you know we take Pokémon names from English? I've never saw or heard a name in Polish version of Pokémon that isn't the same as in English (except pronouncation, of course). Of course, I could miss something. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 17:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
:Mind if I ask your point? Genesect's Polish name is already on the page. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, it is. But why it is there if it's the same as English? Our games are in English, and we don't have our Pokémon names like Japan, [english-speaking countries], France or Spain... of course there could be exceptions, but as far as I saw, animé uses the same names, with most likely only {{tt|pronunciation|or whatever is this spelt}} changed. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 14:12, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
:::It's already been removed anyway, so don't worry about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:13, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
::::I guess I'm just a tad confused. So you don't have your own separate games in Polish, you just import the English versions? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:27, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::As far as I know, yes, we don't have separate games. This is why not many moves have Polish translation, as I get it from animé, while someone got few things like {{a|Drought}} from a book (guidebook I'll guess). Games themselves aren't officially translated (or I don't know anything about such games). I am not sure how we get them, though. Try talking to [[User talk:OldBen|OldBen]], as far as I know, he has such books (as he was the one to add Polish names for Drought, {{a|Drizzle}} and few other stuff). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:17, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Dragonair (Pokémon)

2012-06-18T08:34:58Z

Flintlock:

== Gender Trades ==

"In Blackthorn City, a woman is willing to trade her Rhydon for a female Dragonair. This makes Dragonair the only Pokémon to be required to be a certain gender for an in-game trade." This isn't really true, considering in the Generation I games, you could be asked for a Nidoran female or male, depending on the game. Should we add that in or remove this trivia? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 00:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
::The Nido families are two separate evolutionary lines. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I know that. Doesn't stop them from having to be a certain gender for a trade. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:::: But only because they're single-gender! --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 23:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::But it still makes the trivia inaccurate. "required to be a certain gender for an in-game trade." Nidorans are required to be certain genders for in-game trades. Maybe not in the same way as Dragonair, but it still makes the Trivia inaccurate. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 16:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::And of course I suppose you'd also include the Chansey-Aerodactyl trade in G2? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 17:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
"In Blackthorn City, a woman is willing to trade her Rhydon (G/S) or Dodrio (C/HG/SS) for a female Dragonair. '''This makes Dragonair the only Pokémon that is able to be more than one gender that is required to be a specific gender to be traded'''."

::Now this statement makes absolutely no sense. Could someone fix it, please? I don't know what it's trying to say, otherwise I would. [[User:Eversist|Eversist]] 01:46, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:New comments go to the bottom of the page. I'll have a go rewording the offending sentence. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

==Name Origin==
Can I remove the part that says 'It may also be a play on debonair'. It seems really unecessary as there would be no reason for it to be a play on debonair.--[[User:Gallevoir|[[User:Gallevoir]]]] 20:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:I would argue that such a graceful and mysterious Pokémon has EVERY reason to be a play on debonair. See [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/debonair]. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:16, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

== Safari Zone? ==

Everyone knows that in Yellow, Dragonair can be fished in the Safari Zone. However, while in the Japanese version, it's enough to throw one rock at it to have a chance at catching it, but you need at least two in the English version (I haven't tried it though, because it wlways ran away before 3 turns have passed). I guess it isn't trivia-worthy enough, but if someone REALLY loves Dragonair, maybe he or she will check this page as well, so... There you have it, some really trivial trivia. :D [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 12:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

==Confirmation on the origin?==
I was looking through old Ken Sugimori artwork, and I noticed dragonair had an aura that looks like a traditional asian dragon. I just thought I'd mention it because you might be able to site it as a source or mention it in the origin section. I'm a noob so I'm not used to adding stuff.

http://imgur.com/a/HOPoK

[[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 08:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Dragonair (Pokémon)

2012-06-18T08:34:48Z

Flintlock:

Talk:Dragonair (Pokémon)

2012-06-18T08:31:24Z

Flintlock:

== Gender Trades ==

"In Blackthorn City, a woman is willing to trade her Rhydon for a female Dragonair. This makes Dragonair the only Pokémon to be required to be a certain gender for an in-game trade." This isn't really true, considering in the Generation I games, you could be asked for a Nidoran female or male, depending on the game. Should we add that in or remove this trivia? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 00:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
::The Nido families are two separate evolutionary lines. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I know that. Doesn't stop them from having to be a certain gender for a trade. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:::: But only because they're single-gender! --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 23:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::But it still makes the trivia inaccurate. "required to be a certain gender for an in-game trade." Nidorans are required to be certain genders for in-game trades. Maybe not in the same way as Dragonair, but it still makes the Trivia inaccurate. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 16:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::And of course I suppose you'd also include the Chansey-Aerodactyl trade in G2? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 17:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
"In Blackthorn City, a woman is willing to trade her Rhydon (G/S) or Dodrio (C/HG/SS) for a female Dragonair. '''This makes Dragonair the only Pokémon that is able to be more than one gender that is required to be a specific gender to be traded'''."

::Now this statement makes absolutely no sense. Could someone fix it, please? I don't know what it's trying to say, otherwise I would. [[User:Eversist|Eversist]] 01:46, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:New comments go to the bottom of the page. I'll have a go rewording the offending sentence. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

==Name Origin==
Can I remove the part that says 'It may also be a play on debonair'. It seems really unecessary as there would be no reason for it to be a play on debonair.--[[User:Gallevoir|[[User:Gallevoir]]]] 20:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
:I would argue that such a graceful and mysterious Pokémon has EVERY reason to be a play on debonair. See [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/debonair]. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:16, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

== Safari Zone? ==

Everyone knows that in Yellow, Dragonair can be fished in the Safari Zone. However, while in the Japanese version, it's enough to throw one rock at it to have a chance at catching it, but you need at least two in the English version (I haven't tried it though, because it wlways ran away before 3 turns have passed). I guess it isn't trivia-worthy enough, but if someone REALLY loves Dragonair, maybe he or she will check this page as well, so... There you have it, some really trivial trivia. :D [[User:Krisi|Krisi]] 12:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I was looking through old Ken Sugimori artwork, and I noticed dragonair had an aura that looks like a traditional asian dragon. I just thought I'd mention it because you might be able to site it as a source or mention it in the origin section. I'm a noob so I'm not used to adding stuff.

http://imgur.com/a/HOPoK

Talk:List of references to Pulseman

2012-06-17T06:43:45Z

Flintlock: /* Intro */

Maybe this arcticle would better off being named "List of references to other video games", to include the [[Digger Drill]]'s reference to [[wp:Drill Dozer|Drill Dozer]] and other such instances [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Not just other videogames, since I can think of some film and television references as well. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 09:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, still, Pulseman and Drill Dozer are both Game Freak games. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I understand making this page into "List of references to Game Freak games", but shouldn't other references get another list? "References to other media"? --Paperfairy [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Paperfairy ☆]

If we do other videogames we should defintively make an Earthbound/Mother list. There's a lot of similarities between the two. It's all mostly speculative though.

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paperfairy ・] 12:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. Other media would certainly be notable, as most game companies reference their previous works anyway, so references to others would be more unexpected. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to expand the subject of this article to other Game Freak games, since the original Pokémon games had a reference to Mario & Wario (the Copycat had it in her SNES). --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 21:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you guys missed a huge bit of trivia. Bisharp is another Pokemon directly based on Pulseman. It's pretty obvious when you compare the two. I mentioned it in the discussion page of Bisharp as well. ([[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 06:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC))

List of references to Pulseman

2012-06-17T06:42:29Z

Flintlock:

{{fan speculation}}

The [[Pokémon games]] and the [[wp:Pulseman|Pulseman]] games are both made by the same company, [[Game Freak]]. Understandably, the two games often reference each other, and thus, a list of possible references to Pulseman are listed here. These references are most prominent in [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl]], but appear in other [[generations]] as well.

==List of references==
*The computer Pulseman was born on is named the Saint Ann (サントアンヌ) which is also the Japanese name of the [[S.S. Anne]].
*{{p|Ledian}} bears a very significant resemblance to Pulseman.
*{{p|Bisharp}} also bears a strong resemblance to Pulseman.
*The Gunfish enemy that appears underwater in Stage 6 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Remoraid}}, as they are both combinations of fish and revolver pistols.
*The birdlike enemy in Stage 2 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Xatu}}, as they both share a nearly identical color scheme and similar shape.
*The design for the boss in the Stage 4 of the Pulseman mimicks the {{p|Regigigas}}' design.
*{{m|Volt Tackle}}'s Japanese name, ボルテッカー ''Volteccer'', comes from Pulseman, and is the name of Pulseman's signature attack, where he flies around as a ball of electricity. The Final Smash version of Volt Tackle used by [[Pikachu (Super Smash Bros.)|Pikachu]] in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] closely resembles Pulseman's Voltecker.
*Although "[[Team Galactic]]" is not incorrect, a more literal translation of the Japanese name is "Galaxy Gang", possibly a reference to the Galaxy Gang in Pulseman. [[Charon]]'s design can be based off Doc Waruyama, the main antagonist and a leader of Galaxy Gang in Pulseman.
*{{p|Hariyama}}'s name can be a corruption of Doc Waruyama's name.
*A partial amalgam of ''pulse'' may also be present in {{p|Plusle}}'s name.
*{{p|Rotom}} appears to be based on Pulseman, although it may also be inspired by the unexplained phenomenon of ball lightning.
*Lisa Hatfield, a character from Pulseman, was on the logo art of Pokémon Journal at the Game Freak Web page. The design for {{ga|May}} and [[Cross-canon counterparts#May's counterparts|her counterparts]] can be based off Lisa Hatfield.
*{{ga|Barry}}'s battle music has several notes that resemble a portion of Neo Tokyo's music from Pulseman. ([[Junichi Masuda]] also composed for Pulseman.) Many other pieces of music from Pulseman also have similar features to Pokémon music.
*The lightning bolt on the [[fat ball]], along with its red and yellow colourscheme, are reminiscent of Pulseman's logo.
==Related articles==
*[[List of cross-canon references]]
*[[List of cross-generational references]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Lists]]

Talk:Bisharp (Pokémon)

2012-06-17T06:31:14Z

Flintlock: /* Intro */

Cutman or metalman? I'm pretty sure this guy draws inspiration from them.
:neither, he doesnt look either of them [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Then which sentai series does he look like? He does show resemblance to at least Metalman, a small red guy armed with round metal blades all over his body, everyone I know said the same thing. {{unsigned|Pialga92}}
:Not very familiar with the series, but [http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/29578.jpg Red from 轟轟戦隊ボウケンジャー（Go Go Sentai Boukenja, ENG: Power Rangers Operation Overdrive)] was the one who best matched Kirikizan among the images that I found in a basic search. Hopefully someone who's a little more knowledgeable about the series will lend a hand...? [[User:Kamen no Otoko|Kamen no Otoko]] 12:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::He's [http://www.webspawner.com/users/burakku/Motors.jpg Kamen Rider Black]. [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 22:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:For the Mega Man thing we could see at the [http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Mega_Man_Wiki Mega Man wiki] --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 21:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but... It learns Stealth Rock by breeding with himself who learn it by breeding with... That's quite nonsense, huh ? --[[User:Qulbu|Qulbu]] 11:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:You can teach Stealth Rock to a male {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Monferno}} or {{p|Infernape}} in Generation IV, PokéShift it over, and breed it with a female Komatana or Kirikizan. [[User:MetalMetroid997|MetalMetroid997]] 10:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I know that the list of English names of Pokémon is still unconfirmed, but if it is true, then Kirikizan's English name - Bisharp - could give some clues to another possible origin. Along with Kamen Rider, Kirikizan could also be based upon the bishop chess piece. Maybe we could add this to it's origin if it turns out to be true. [[User:GoldenZekrom|GoldenZekrom]] 00:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

*I am 99% certain that Bisharp is not inspired by any Super Sentai or tokusatsu heroes at all. He's a reference to Pulseman, one of Game Freak's earlier games. There's actually an article here about the references between Pulseman and Pokemon. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pulseman] It lists Ladien and Rotom as inspired by Pulseman. The latter is a really weird example, because Rotom looks a lot less like Pulseman than Bisharp. Any google search of Pulseman compared to Bisharp will make pretty convincing evidence. The blades on his helmet, the red yellow and black colourscheme, and humanoid mouth. I don't know how Rotom made the list and Bisharp didn't. It's definitively not a Super Sentai or Kamen Rider reference. Also his steel type. Pulseman was a robot. It's fairly obvious! ([[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 06:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC))
:: I actually think he's based on Evil Pulseman, which is why he has a Dark/Steel type. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwBe0Gn-6Ws&feature=player_detailpage

Bisharp (Pokémon)

2012-06-17T06:26:47Z

Flintlock: /* Origin */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Pawniard | next=Bouffalant | prevnum=624 | nextnum=626 | type=Dark | type2=Steel }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Bisharp |
jname=キリキザン |
tmname=Kirikizan |
size=103px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|ki-ri-ki-zan}}}''</sc> |
species=Sword Blade |
typen=2 |
type1=Dark |
type2=Steel |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Defiant |
ability2=Inner Focus |
abilityd=Pressure |
ndex=625 |
udex=131 |
height-ftin=5'03" |
height-m=1.6 |
weight-lbs=154.3 |
weight-kg=70 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Human-Like|
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20|
expyield=172 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
evat=2|
gendercode=127|
color=Red |
evspk=1|
catchrate=45 |
body=12 |
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generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
'''Bisharp''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''キリキザン''' ''Kirikizan'') is a dual-type {{2t|Dark|Steel}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Pawniard}} starting at [[level]] 52.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Bisharp has a round red and black head resembling a helmet, topped with a gold, double-headed axe blade. Its face is shrouded by its "helmet" and is black and yellow. Its eyes are triangular with a black iris and white pupil. Its eyes have a dark outline which gives the appearance of eyeliner. Its red, gold tipped shoulders resemble shoulder pads and its connecting torso and arms are colored black. Its hands are glove-like and metallic in appearance and have retractable blade-like appendages attached to them. On its torso are two bladed discs which resemble a ribcage. Down its body are two dark lines that run down and around to the back, which gives the appearance of armor. Its thighs are circular and red-colored and progressively get thinner as they connect to the feet. Both feet are metallic and blade-like, the split down the middle somewhat resembles {{wp|ungulate}} hooves and is also very similar to steel war boots, or possibly leggings.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===

===Behavior===
Bisharp act as the leader of their packs and gives orders to Pawniard. When a pack meets a prey, Bisharp performs the finishing attack.

===Habitat===
Bisharp live in packs and rule over their pre-evolutions.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
Bisharp and its pre-evolution are carnivorous hunters and will hunt in packs.

==In the anime==
[[File:Georgia Bisharp.png|250px|thumb|right|Bisharp in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Bisharp made its anime debut in ''[[BW071|Search for the Clubultimate!]]'' and ''[[BW072|A Clubsplosion of Excitement!]]'' under [[Georgia]]'s ownership.

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon RéBURST manga===
[[File:Fraud Burst.png|thumb|120px|Bisharp burst in Pokémon ReBURST.]]
[[Fraud]], the leader of [[Great Gavel]], has a Bisharp that he can use as his [[Burst]] form.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[Grimsley]] has a Bisharp that first appeared with him on {{rt|4|Unova}} where it helped him play [[card flip]] with the workers there.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Bisharp (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Dark
|type2=Steel
|gen=5
|blackdex=It leads a group of Pawniard. It battles to become the boss, but will be driven from the group if it loses.
|whitedex=Bisharp pursues prey in the company of a large group of {{p|Pawniard}}. Then Bisharp finishes off the prey.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dark|
type2=Steel|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Rare|
bwarea={{rt|11|Unova}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=dark
|type2=steel
|rumble2=Factory: [[World Axle - B2F]]
}}

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dark|
type2=Steel|
HP=65|
Attack=125|
Defense=100|
SpAtk=60|
SpDef=70|
Speed=70}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Dark|
type2=Steel|
Normal= 50 |
Fighting= 400 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 0 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 25 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 100 |
Psychic= 0 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 50 |
Dark= 25 |

notes=yes|
dark=yes|
newpsychic=½
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Bisharp|Dark|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Metal Burst|Steel|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Fury Cutter|Bug|Physical|20|95|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|6|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Fury Cutter|Bug|Physical|20|95|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|14|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Metal Claw|Steel|Physical|50|95|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|30|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|38|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|46|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|63|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|71|Guillotine|Normal|Physical|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Bisharp|Dark|Steel|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Bisharp|Dark|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM47|Low Sweep|Fighting|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM63|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM95|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Bisharp|Dark|Steel|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Bisharp|Dark|Steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|096|Drowzee}}{{MSP|097|Hypno}}{{MSP|605|Elgyem}}{{MSP|606|Beheeyem}}|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15||||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|302|Sableye}}|Mean Look|Normal|Status|—|—|5||||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|064|Kadabra}}{{MSP|065|Alakazam}}|Psycho Cut|Psychic|Physical|70|100|20||||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|107|Hitmonchan}}{{MSP|237|Hitmontop}}{{MSP|453|Croagunk}}{{MSP|454|Toxicroak}}|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|066|Machop}}{{MSP|067|Machoke}}{{MSP|068|Machamp}}{{MSP|106|Hitmonlee}}{{MSP|107|Hitmonchan}}{{MSP|237|Hitmontop}} {{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|453|Croagunk}}{{MSP|454|Toxicroak}}{{MSP|538|Throh}}|Revenge|Fighting|Physical|60|100|10||||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|390|Chimchar}}{{MSP|391|Monferno}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}}|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|||‡}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|327|Spinda}}{{MSP|331|Cacnea}}{{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|453|Croagunk}}{{MSP|454|Toxicroak}}|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5||||'''}}{{learnlist/breedf|Bisharp|Dark|Steel|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Bisharp|dark|steel|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Bisharp|dark|steel|5|5}}
====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh|Bisharp|dark|steel|5|5}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5null}}
{{learnlist/prevof|Bisharp|dark|steel|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=Dark |
type2=Steel |
ndex=625 |
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=4 |
rumble2defense=3 |
rumble2speed=3 |
Pad2=He is too serious and sometimes jumps to conclusions. He loves the [[Arbor Area]] and works with pride. |
Park2strong=[[File:Tepig icon.png|link=Tepig (Pokémon)]] |
Park2weak=[[File:Snivy icon.png|link=Snivy (Pokémon)]] |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=624
|name1=Pawniard
|type1-1=Dark
|type2-1=Steel
|evotype1=Level
|level1=52
|sprite2=625
|name2=Bisharp
|type1-2=Dark
|type2-2=Steel
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=dark|
type2=steel|
gen=5|
gender=none|
name=Bisharp|
ndex=625|
}}

==Trivia==
* No other Pokémon has the same [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|type combination]] as Bisharp and its {{p|Pawniard|pre-evolution}}.
** The types it has are also the two types that were introduced in [[Generation II]].
** This makes Bisharp and its pre-evolution the only Pokémon to have a double resistance to {{t|Ghost}}.
* {{p|Pawniard}} and Bisharp cannot learn any [[special move]]s by [[level]]ing up or {{pkmn|breeding}}.
* Pawniard and Bisharp are the only Pokémon that can have {{a|Defiant}} as a non-Hidden Ability.

===Origin===
It looks similar to a {{wp|knight}} and may be based on Arthurian legends of {{wp|black knight}}s. It bears a strong resemblance to [Pulseman] from Game Freak's earlier game of the same name.

====Name origin====
Bisharp is a combination of ''{{wp|Bishop (chess)|bishop}}'' (a piece in {{wp|chess}}) and ''sharp'' (describing its metal blades); akin to {{p|Pawniard}} evolving into Bisharp, a {{wp|pawn (chess)|pawn}} in chess can be {{wp|Promotion (chess)#Promotion to rook or bishop|promoted}} into a bishop piece (among other chess pieces classes) if it reaches the opponent's side of the board. It may also involve to ''bisect'' (to cut or split into two), referring to the lethality of Bisharp's cutting abilities.

Kirikizan may be a combination of 切り刻む　''kirikizamu'' (to mince) and 斬 ''zan'' (to cut or slay).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=dark|type2=steel
|ja=キリキザン ''Kirikizan''|jameaning=From {{tt|切り刻む　''kirikizamu''|to mince}} and {{tt|斬 ''zan''|to cut or slay}}
|fr=Scalproie|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|scalper|scalp}}'' or scalpel and ''{{tt|proie|prey}}''
|es=Bisharp|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Caesurio|demeaning=From ''Caesar'' and ''{{wp|Centurion}}''
|it=Bisharp|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=절각참 ''Jeolgakcham''|komeaning=From {{tt|절 (切) ''jeol''|slice, mince}}, {{tt|각 (刻) ''gak''|carve}}, and {{tt|참 (斬) ''cham''|behead}}
|zh_cmn=劈斬司令 / 劈斩司令 ''Pīzhǎnsīlìng''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|劈 ''pī''|hack}}, {{tt|斬 ''zhǎn''|slash}}, and {{tt|司令 ''sīlìng''|commander}}
}}

 

==Notes==
<references />

==External links==
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[[fr:Scalproie]]
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[[pl:Bisharp]]

List of references to Pulseman

2012-06-17T06:24:12Z

Flintlock: /* List of references */

{{fan speculation}}

The [[Pokémon games]] and the [[wp:Pulseman|Pulseman]] games are both made by the same company, [[Game Freak]]. Understandably, the two games often reference each other, and thus, a list of possible references to Pulseman are listed here. These references are most prominent in [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl]], but appear in other [[generations]] as well.

==List of references==
*The computer Pulseman was born on is named the Saint Ann (サントアンヌ) which is also the Japanese name of the [[S.S. Anne]].
*{{p|Ledian}} bears a very significant resemblance to Pulseman.
*[[Bisharp]] also bears a strong resemblance to Pulseman.
*The Gunfish enemy that appears underwater in Stage 6 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Remoraid}}, as they are both combinations of fish and revolver pistols.
*The birdlike enemy in Stage 2 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Xatu}}, as they both share a nearly identical color scheme and similar shape.
*The design for the boss in the Stage 4 of the Pulseman mimicks the {{p|Regigigas}}' design.
*{{m|Volt Tackle}}'s Japanese name, ボルテッカー ''Volteccer'', comes from Pulseman, and is the name of Pulseman's signature attack, where he flies around as a ball of electricity. The Final Smash version of Volt Tackle used by [[Pikachu (Super Smash Bros.)|Pikachu]] in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] closely resembles Pulseman's Voltecker.
*Although "[[Team Galactic]]" is not incorrect, a more literal translation of the Japanese name is "Galaxy Gang", possibly a reference to the Galaxy Gang in Pulseman. [[Charon]]'s design can be based off Doc Waruyama, the main antagonist and a leader of Galaxy Gang in Pulseman.
*{{p|Hariyama}}'s name can be a corruption of Doc Waruyama's name.
*A partial amalgam of ''pulse'' may also be present in {{p|Plusle}}'s name.
*{{p|Rotom}} appears to be based on Pulseman, although it may also be inspired by the unexplained phenomenon of ball lightning.
*Lisa Hatfield, a character from Pulseman, was on the logo art of Pokémon Journal at the Game Freak Web page. The design for {{ga|May}} and [[Cross-canon counterparts#May's counterparts|her counterparts]] can be based off Lisa Hatfield.
*{{ga|Barry}}'s battle music has several notes that resemble a portion of Neo Tokyo's music from Pulseman. ([[Junichi Masuda]] also composed for Pulseman.) Many other pieces of music from Pulseman also have similar features to Pokémon music.

==Related articles==
*[[List of cross-canon references]]
*[[List of cross-generational references]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Lists]]

List of references to Pulseman

2012-06-17T06:20:09Z

Flintlock:

{{fan speculation}}

The [[Pokémon games]] and the [[wp:Pulseman|Pulseman]] games are both made by the same company, [[Game Freak]]. Understandably, the two games often reference each other, and thus, a list of possible references to Pulseman are listed here. These references are most prominent in [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl]], but appear in other [[generations]] as well.

==List of references==
*The computer Pulseman was born on is named the Saint Ann (サントアンヌ) which is also the Japanese name of the [[S.S. Anne]].
*{{p|Ledian}} bears a very significant resemblance to Pulseman.
*{{p|Bisharp} also bears a resemblance to Pulse.
*The Gunfish enemy that appears underwater in Stage 6 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Remoraid}}, as they are both combinations of fish and revolver pistols.
*The birdlike enemy in Stage 2 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Xatu}}, as they both share a nearly identical color scheme and similar shape.
*The design for the boss in the Stage 4 of the Pulseman mimicks the {{p|Regigigas}}' design.
*{{m|Volt Tackle}}'s Japanese name, ボルテッカー ''Volteccer'', comes from Pulseman, and is the name of Pulseman's signature attack, where he flies around as a ball of electricity. The Final Smash version of Volt Tackle used by [[Pikachu (Super Smash Bros.)|Pikachu]] in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] closely resembles Pulseman's Voltecker.
*Although "[[Team Galactic]]" is not incorrect, a more literal translation of the Japanese name is "Galaxy Gang", possibly a reference to the Galaxy Gang in Pulseman. [[Charon]]'s design can be based off Doc Waruyama, the main antagonist and a leader of Galaxy Gang in Pulseman.
*{{p|Hariyama}}'s name can be a corruption of Doc Waruyama's name.
*A partial amalgam of ''pulse'' may also be present in {{p|Plusle}}'s name.
*{{p|Rotom}} appears to be based on Pulseman, although it may also be inspired by the unexplained phenomenon of ball lightning.
*Lisa Hatfield, a character from Pulseman, was on the logo art of Pokémon Journal at the Game Freak Web page. The design for {{ga|May}} and [[Cross-canon counterparts#May's counterparts|her counterparts]] can be based off Lisa Hatfield.
*{{ga|Barry}}'s battle music has several notes that resemble a portion of Neo Tokyo's music from Pulseman. ([[Junichi Masuda]] also composed for Pulseman.) Many other pieces of music from Pulseman also have similar features to Pokémon music.

==Related articles==
*[[List of cross-canon references]]
*[[List of cross-generational references]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Lists]]

List of references to Pulseman

2012-06-17T06:17:00Z

Flintlock:

{{fan speculation}}

The [[Pokémon games]] and the [[wp:Pulseman|Pulseman]] games are both made by the same company, [[Game Freak]]. Understandably, the two games often reference each other, and thus, a list of possible references to Pulseman are listed here. These references are most prominent in [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl]], but appear in other [[generations]] as well.

==List of references==
*The computer Pulseman was born on is named the Saint Ann (サントアンヌ) which is also the Japanese name of the [[S.S. Anne]].
*{{p|Ledian}} bears a very significant resemblance to Pulseman.
*{{p|Bisharp} bears an even closer apperance to Pulseman than Ledian.
*The Gunfish enemy that appears underwater in Stage 6 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Remoraid}}, as they are both combinations of fish and revolver pistols.
*The birdlike enemy in Stage 2 of Pulseman resembles a {{p|Xatu}}, as they both share a nearly identical color scheme and similar shape.
*The design for the boss in the Stage 4 of the Pulseman mimicks the {{p|Regigigas}}' design.
*{{m|Volt Tackle}}'s Japanese name, ボルテッカー ''Volteccer'', comes from Pulseman, and is the name of Pulseman's signature attack, where he flies around as a ball of electricity. The Final Smash version of Volt Tackle used by [[Pikachu (Super Smash Bros.)|Pikachu]] in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] closely resembles Pulseman's Voltecker.
*Although "[[Team Galactic]]" is not incorrect, a more literal translation of the Japanese name is "Galaxy Gang", possibly a reference to the Galaxy Gang in Pulseman. [[Charon]]'s design can be based off Doc Waruyama, the main antagonist and a leader of Galaxy Gang in Pulseman.
*{{p|Hariyama}}'s name can be a corruption of Doc Waruyama's name.
*A partial amalgam of ''pulse'' may also be present in {{p|Plusle}}'s name.
*{{p|Rotom}} appears to be based on Pulseman, although it may also be inspired by the unexplained phenomenon of ball lightning.
*Lisa Hatfield, a character from Pulseman, was on the logo art of Pokémon Journal at the Game Freak Web page. The design for {{ga|May}} and [[Cross-canon counterparts#May's counterparts|her counterparts]] can be based off Lisa Hatfield.
*{{ga|Barry}}'s battle music has several notes that resemble a portion of Neo Tokyo's music from Pulseman. ([[Junichi Masuda]] also composed for Pulseman.) Many other pieces of music from Pulseman also have similar features to Pokémon music.

==Related articles==
*[[List of cross-canon references]]
*[[List of cross-generational references]]

[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Lists]]

Talk:Bisharp (Pokémon)

2012-06-17T06:13:46Z

Flintlock: /* Intro */

Talk:Ledian (Pokémon)

2012-06-17T06:11:35Z

Flintlock: /* Alien? */

== Article ==

Heeey I thought I was gonna do ledian =P[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 14:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

you can always make it like, worth reading. =p
[[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 16:09, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey, would it be okay if I summarize what most people use Ledian for and stuff? Or put standard movesets or something? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 17:58, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, those are gonna be for something else on BMG. We want encyclopedia entries here. Not opinions for entries. Movesets go along with the deal that no opinions should be in an entry. [[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 18:04, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. So how do you get these Pokemon entries to not really be stubs? {{unsigned|Surskitty}}

Just get rid of the ( stub ) part in some of the pages. Working on doing the previous/next thing for the pokedex entries so I'll get it covered.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 18:12, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Alien? ==

Is it just me or does this Pokémon look like an alien? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

:It also looks kinda like he's wearing a helmet. - Buddy {{unsigned|Buddy Christ}}
::It's because it is based on Pulseman, who does look like he's wearing a helmet.... [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 06:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
::I can see both of those things, though it isn't enough to be worth adding to the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 22:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

There appears to be an error in Ledian's non-shiny sprite in Crystal.

[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 09:53, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Pawniard (Pokémon)

2012-06-17T06:10:12Z

Flintlock: /* I don't see it */

== Pulseman ==
Seeing as Sugimori was behind both, is the similarity notable? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 06:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:It looks NOTHING like Pulseman [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 07:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
::Well, it's got limbs... and a head... [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 22:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Bisharp looks like Pulseman though. Ladien gets a mention for being a Pulseman homage, dispite having major differences like being related to a bugs. Rotom even got a mention. Bisharp has a metal 'horn' on his helmet in the same place as Pulseman. They have black limbs and red bodies with yellow accents. They're both humanoid. Both have an opening in their helmet with what appears to be an even more humanoid mouth. The super sentai thing is way off. ([[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 06:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC))

== I don't see it ==
I'm sorry, but I don't see this Kamen Rider/Super Sentai connection that people seem to take as fact. Someone on Bisharp's talk page even went so far as to say he IS Kamen Rider Black with a link to a picture...of someone who looks NOTHING like either of these Pokemon. Is there some official source that mentions Kamen Rider as these Pokemon's inspiration? If not, I think it should be removed. [[User:SidStarkiller|SidStarkiller]] 03:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's not a tokusatsu reference at all. It's another reference to Game Freak's earlier game, Pulseman. There's an article on here about it and everything. It omits Bisharp even though he looks more similar than Rotom... [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 06:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

== origin ==

this looks like the ninja guy from the mario basketball game (the one on ds)--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 19:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pawniard (Pokémon)

2012-06-17T06:08:33Z

Flintlock: /* Pulseman */

== Pulseman ==
Seeing as Sugimori was behind both, is the similarity notable? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 06:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:It looks NOTHING like Pulseman [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 07:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
::Well, it's got limbs... and a head... [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 22:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Bisharp looks like Pulseman though. Ladien gets a mention for being a Pulseman homage, dispite having major differences like being related to a bugs. Rotom even got a mention. Bisharp has a metal 'horn' on his helmet in the same place as Pulseman. They have black limbs and red bodies with yellow accents. They're both humanoid. Both have an opening in their helmet with what appears to be an even more humanoid mouth. The super sentai thing is way off. ([[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 06:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC))

== I don't see it ==
I'm sorry, but I don't see this Kamen Rider/Super Sentai connection that people seem to take as fact. Someone on Bisharp's talk page even went so far as to say he IS Kamen Rider Black with a link to a picture...of someone who looks NOTHING like either of these Pokemon. Is there some official source that mentions Kamen Rider as these Pokemon's inspiration? If not, I think it should be removed. [[User:SidStarkiller|SidStarkiller]] 03:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

== origin ==

this looks like the ninja guy from the mario basketball game (the one on ds)--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 19:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of references to Pulseman

2012-06-17T06:08:01Z

Flintlock: /* Intro */

Talk:List of references to Pulseman

2012-06-17T06:03:11Z

Flintlock:

Talk:Bisharp (Pokémon)

2012-06-17T06:01:01Z

Flintlock: /* Intro */

Cutman or metalman? I'm pretty sure this guy draws inspiration from them.
:neither, he doesnt look either of them [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Then which sentai series does he look like? He does show resemblance to at least Metalman, a small red guy armed with round metal blades all over his body, everyone I know said the same thing. {{unsigned|Pialga92}}
:Not very familiar with the series, but [http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/29578.jpg Red from 轟轟戦隊ボウケンジャー（Go Go Sentai Boukenja, ENG: Power Rangers Operation Overdrive)] was the one who best matched Kirikizan among the images that I found in a basic search. Hopefully someone who's a little more knowledgeable about the series will lend a hand...? [[User:Kamen no Otoko|Kamen no Otoko]] 12:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::He's [http://www.webspawner.com/users/burakku/Motors.jpg Kamen Rider Black]. [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 22:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:For the Mega Man thing we could see at the [http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Mega_Man_Wiki Mega Man wiki] --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 21:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but... It learns Stealth Rock by breeding with himself who learn it by breeding with... That's quite nonsense, huh ? --[[User:Qulbu|Qulbu]] 11:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:You can teach Stealth Rock to a male {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Monferno}} or {{p|Infernape}} in Generation IV, PokéShift it over, and breed it with a female Komatana or Kirikizan. [[User:MetalMetroid997|MetalMetroid997]] 10:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I know that the list of English names of Pokémon is still unconfirmed, but if it is true, then Kirikizan's English name - Bisharp - could give some clues to another possible origin. Along with Kamen Rider, Kirikizan could also be based upon the bishop chess piece. Maybe we could add this to it's origin if it turns out to be true. [[User:GoldenZekrom|GoldenZekrom]] 00:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

*I am 99% certain that Bisharp is not inspired by any Super Sentai or tokusatsu heroes at all. He's a reference to Pulseman, one of Game Freak's earlier games. There's actually an article here about the references between Pulseman and Pokemon. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pulseman] It lists Ladien and Rotom as inspired by Pulseman. The latter is a really weird example, because Rotom looks a lot less like Pulseman than Bisharp. Any google search of Pulseman compared to Bisharp will make pretty convincing evidence. The blades on his helmet, the red yellow and black colourscheme, and humanoid mouth. I don't know how Rotom made the list and Bisharp didn't. It's definitively not a Super Sentai or Kamen Rider reference. ([[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 06:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC))

Talk:Bisharp (Pokémon)

2012-06-17T06:00:33Z

Flintlock: /* Intro */

Cutman or metalman? I'm pretty sure this guy draws inspiration from them.
:neither, he doesnt look either of them [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Then which sentai series does he look like? He does show resemblance to at least Metalman, a small red guy armed with round metal blades all over his body, everyone I know said the same thing. {{unsigned|Pialga92}}
:Not very familiar with the series, but [http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/29578.jpg Red from 轟轟戦隊ボウケンジャー（Go Go Sentai Boukenja, ENG: Power Rangers Operation Overdrive)] was the one who best matched Kirikizan among the images that I found in a basic search. Hopefully someone who's a little more knowledgeable about the series will lend a hand...? [[User:Kamen no Otoko|Kamen no Otoko]] 12:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::He's [http://www.webspawner.com/users/burakku/Motors.jpg Kamen Rider Black]. [[User:Tolstak|Tolstak]] 22:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:For the Mega Man thing we could see at the [http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Mega_Man_Wiki Mega Man wiki] --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 21:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but... It learns Stealth Rock by breeding with himself who learn it by breeding with... That's quite nonsense, huh ? --[[User:Qulbu|Qulbu]] 11:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:You can teach Stealth Rock to a male {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Monferno}} or {{p|Infernape}} in Generation IV, PokéShift it over, and breed it with a female Komatana or Kirikizan. [[User:MetalMetroid997|MetalMetroid997]] 10:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I know that the list of English names of Pokémon is still unconfirmed, but if it is true, then Kirikizan's English name - Bisharp - could give some clues to another possible origin. Along with Kamen Rider, Kirikizan could also be based upon the bishop chess piece. Maybe we could add this to it's origin if it turns out to be true. [[User:GoldenZekrom|GoldenZekrom]] 00:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I am 99% certain that Bisharp is not inspired by any Super Sentai or tokusatsu heroes at all. He's a reference to Pulseman, one of Game Freak's earlier games. There's actually an article here about the references between Pulseman and Pokemon. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pulseman] It lists Ladien and Rotom as inspired by Pulseman. The latter is a really weird example, because Rotom looks a lot less like Pulseman than Bisharp. Any google search of Pulseman compared to Bisharp will make pretty convincing evidence. The blades on his helmet, the red yellow and black colourscheme, and humanoid mouth. I don't know how Rotom made the list and Bisharp didn't. It's definitively not a Super Sentai or Kamen Rider reference.