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Talk:Selene (game)

2018-06-27T17:57:22Z

Five: /* Rename */

==The Protagonist's Name==
Since the female player character doesn't have an official name, so why are we referring to her as Moon? I understand that with past Pokémon titles, some of us called the player characters what the names of the games were, but the names eventually changed. And while the male protagonist may be called Sun in the Special Demo, does that mean we should call the female protagonist Moon? (Think about the ΩRαS Demo and Orlando). So (I'm looking for the community's vote), should we keep the name as it is or change it until further notice from the Pokémon Company? [[User:MaddoxTheMudkip|MaddoxTheMudkip]] ([[User talk:MaddoxTheMudkip|talk]]) 00:48, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:This has already been discussed [[Talk:Player character#Sun and Moon's Names|here]]. By staff decision the names we use are now Sun and Moon. If you have any thing to add please do. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 01:11, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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Now we confirmed that the official called her Mizuki. So should this page be named to Selene? (And Sun's page named Elio (Yo)) [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 01:40, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

:Seems cool with me. I can see where they chose Mizuki and Yō from - with the way the former name is spelt according to what I've seen both on the main page and elsewhere, the zu is a tsu with a dakuten rather than a su so it's a corrupted tsuki; and Yō is probably derived from taiyō. Honestly, I'm not really sure if I've seen the name Mizuki spelt that way anywhere else given how rarely used that instance of zu is. [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 02:26, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
::It's up to staff to decide. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
:::For the sake of posterity, [https://twitter.com/kotobukiyas/status/891464453744508929 here is the original source]. I agree with renaming the Moon and Sun game pages to Selene and Elio, too. [[User:JB2448|JB2448]] ([[User talk:JB2448|talk]]) 05:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
:::And again, for the sake of posterity, here are the videos with timecodes that the Japanese and English canon names are used in: [https://youtu.be/OF_OrULIEWA?t=71 【公式】『ポケットモンスターサン・ムーン』最新ゲーム映像（6/15公開）at 1:10] and [https://youtu.be/9Ojd6FzTaEM?t=67 "Meet New Pokémon and Discover Battle Royals in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon!" at 1:06] [[User:JB2448|JB2448]] ([[User talk:JB2448|talk]]) 11:27, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree with moving both pages, either to Selene/Elio (my preferred choice, as these are officially-used equivalents) or to Mizuki/Yō (if we want to stay at the safe side). And before anyone says that moving Sun's page is an assumption, then again, so is using "Sun". And since the girl character is officially known as Mizuki, then it pretty much debunks the assumption that boy's name is "Sun". Sun and Mizuki/Selene just don't add up. So, moving them both is the only way. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 12:35, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

::::: I also agree in that this should be renamed as either "Selene" or "Mizuki". The latter is 100% confirmed now, so there's no reason to keep it as Moon. Sun should also be moved for consistency's sake, since either "Elio" or "Yo" are more valid assumptions than Sun. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 13:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Don't see a reason why not to change it, Selene/Mizuki and Elio/Yo it is. --[[User:DanyyelTR|DanyyelTR]] ([[User talk:DanyyelTR|talk]]) 18:56, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Quite curious as to how that makes their names Selene and Elio for English. I understand the Mizkui situation, but where does Selene, Yo, and Elio come from? (and I'll be quite honest I don't like the names Selene or Elio either). This is mostly because they ARE still promotional names like Orlando, Blair, Anna, etc. which means the only official name is Mizuki. I'll be fine with Yo if it's considered the equivalent to it. English name should stay as Moon for now in my honest opinion. Also for the purpose of trivia and the name itself, Mizuki translates to waterwood (a type of tree that sprouts flowers keeping in line with the flower theme of the characters) and is a common female Japanese name meaning "beautiful moon, which I still think can be translated to just "Moon" for the English readers.[[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 23:11, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

: You can check the video above that's where Mizuki/Selene and Yo/Elio come from. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 00:38, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

:: I've stated that those are still promotional names, that video doesn't showcase the Japanese names.We can't use promotional names in such a way because they are almost always inaccurate, the only official use of any of the names is Mizuki used in in ARTFX J figurine. Otherwise they should remain as Sun and Moon any other time. I say we wait until to get official English and Japanese usage outside of trailers (aside from the name Mizuki) and keep them as Sun and Moon. They have a figma figure of her too, and we often get western releases of figmas, so I say wait until we get a translation of the figure or if possible wait and see if the two protags reappear/renamed in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. [[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 01:03, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

: The video have Japanese and English... [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 01:19, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

:: TrainerSplash; as you know, we already have the name '''Mizuki''' confirmed. Now, thanks to the trailers, we know for sure that '''Selene''' is the English equivalent for Mizuki. As for the male protagonist, '''Yo''' is the male equivalent for Mizuki, and '''Elio''' is the English equivalent for Yo. That's where all the four names come from. If you insist in only official usage, then we still have to move this to Mizuki, and Selene is still as valid as Moon because both haven't been confirmed at all in English media. Perhaps we could move this to Mizuki, then wait for the figma figure and see which name they use for the English release, if they do one. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 00:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

:::While Mizuki may be her official name in Japanese, in English, Selene is only used officially once. As per the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style#Naming conventions|MOS]], an official English name takes precedence over a Japanese name. Since Sun/Moon were used extensively during the pre-release period, they currently take precedence as the most commonly used English names for the characters in official material. There's no point in moving this now if an English release of the figure or USUM change things up. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:52, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

:::: That's a pretty bad justification. Why update the legendary Pokemon article right now if USUM may change that? Why change the anime article if future episodes may change that? We should care about what's happening right now, and currently Mizuki Is the official name of the character in Japanese, with absolutely no reason to doubt Selene is the official English name. Keeping the article as Sun / Moon would be deceiving visitors when we all know those names are not real. Also, this is about the SM main characters, not the USUM main characters, which as far as we know could even be two totally different characters. [[User:Josephvb10|Josephvb10]] ([[User talk:Josephvb10|talk]]) 20:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::Just because X translates to Y, that does ''not'' mean that if X is official, so must Y be. The English side can do whatever it wants, we will NOT presume for them. We can wait. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:58, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::Sun/Moon ''are'' officially used, including in that same video in which Elio/Selene is used only ''once''. Sun/Moon are not fake or misleading names. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:58, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Is this STILL being argued over?! I thought we settled this dispute a long time ago! [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 00:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Now we confirm Selene = Mizuki. http://www.goodsmile.info/en/product/6782/figma+Selene.html [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 12:07, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:Welcome to Bulbapedia. Somehow, even after the Selene Figma was announced yesterday and what is blatantly stated by the games' data and promotional material, it's probably going to take further proof that the male protagonist's equivalent names to Mizuki and Selene before the staff approve the change despite those factors and general consensus literally everywhere else, and I have no clue what the point of going to such extreme forms of mistake avoidance is. [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 15:41, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::Regardless of the Figma figure, Selene and Elio are names related to these characters' appearances in Sun & Moon. Now that they have new prerelease names for USUM, Ailey and Ray should be the names we move them to if at all, since these are the most recent names. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:58, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

:::But they are considered as the same roles. If they use different names, are they different roles? [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 16:03, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:05, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::That's like saying that Brendan and May's articles should be renamed to Orlando and Anna just because some of ORAS's promotional materials and the demo called them that. If you're going to go that route, see if all instances of Elio and Selene hidden in SM's coding are changed to Ailey and Ray in USUM, and if they aren't just rename their articles to Elio and Selene like what should have been done following the Figma release, or even back when that first figure was released nearly three months ago. [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 19:36, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::Orlando/Anna is a terrible argument, the characters were still referred to as Brendan/May within ORAS, that easily overrides the other candidates. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:46, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::::And were there any instances of them being called Brendan and May in ORAS prior to their release? [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 20:07, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::::They were known as Brendan and May, only as a rival in ORAS prior to their release, like what they do with Calem and Serena. (Although not in the official website directly pointed out to their name but on the screenshot shows.) [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 00:21, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Azureprism, care to point out where Elio/Selene are used in game data and coding? Regardless, USUM comes out in the less than a month. It doesn't hurt to wait. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 00:54, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::You could easily argue that only the rival characters in ORAS were Brendan/May, where as the default name for the protagonist is Orlanda/Anna. But I don't see the point of arguing this, the official release by Goodsmile and Nintendo refer to this character as Selene. Anything else being used is no different from other promotional material that's used other names for various characters. If the USUM version turns out to be different, then it can be changed, but at the very least Selene is more official than Moon and everything so far has stated that this is still the same story and characters from the original Sun & Moon.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 11:04, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

i think this should be treated like the Silver(game) and Leaf(game) pages where under name origin the page informs the reader that the names are fan designated.--[[User:Aaron's Lucario|Aaron's Lucario]] ([[User talk:Aaron's Lucario|talk]]) 18:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:Sun/Moon are not at all names created by fans. They were very much used officially, as has already been noted above. And as the trivia at the bottom of these pages clearly state. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:: i see nothing saying Sun/Moon are official only that they were "officially" designated these names by bulbapedia staff--[[User:Aaron's Lucario|Aaron's Lucario]] ([[User talk:Aaron's Lucario|talk]]) 19:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
::: i went ahead and made the changes myself if anyone would like to elaborate or make what I wrote more pristine go right ahead but if anyone deletes it I want to see a link to an official source where GF called her Moon. (preferably since the game's release because this site talks about "Scrapped ideas" all the time and i see no difference here) all this talk about anyone can edit and then scaring people out of their wits about writing something that disagrees with the moderators (even if its entirely legitimate) I'm sick of it.--[[User:Aaron's Lucario|Aaron's Lucario]] ([[User talk:Aaron's Lucario|talk]]) 19:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
::::To quote what abcboy said above: "Since Sun/Moon were used extensively during the pre-release period, they currently take precedence as the most commonly used English names for the characters in official material." Yes, it's pre-release material, but it's official ''enough''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:28, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

== Move and split ==

May I please rename the page and split it if that's okay? [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 23:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
:Why? It seems like "Moon" and "Ailey" are still going to be the same character. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:34, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Since Selene did as a character at the official indeed... I think it is necessary to renamed or splited the page (and Elio, too). [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 23:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

:Since Silvally line finally joined the legendary Pokémon, should this page also consider renaming? [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 06:14, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
::Those topics have no relation. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

::What I mean is that since Silvally line added to the legendary Pokémon page because of official statements, why does the official indeed say that the default name of the character, this page has not been renamed? [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 06:37, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
:::Again, no relation. Just because they've officially confirmed that Type: Null and Silvally are legendary, does '''not'' mean they've officially confirmed Moon's (and to an extent, Sun's) names.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
::They are indeed confirmed that the above discussion has list of sources and even has the English sources. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 06:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
:See my discussion [[:Talk:Moon (game)#Rename|below]] and [[:Talk:Sun (game)#Rename|here]] for why the articles should not be renamed from Moon (and Sun). In summary, a PC has no official name unless he/she has an NPC role (either in the same games or later). [[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 00:17, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

== Um, what? ==

So what are we mostly agreeing on? Selene/Elio or Ailey/Ray? And where did Ailey/Ray come from? {{unsigned|Mira Zannah}}
:Nobody seems to be agreeing on anything, and this isn't the kind of thing that gets decided by consensus anyway; page moves are decided exclusively by staff. Ailey/Ray are the names used in pre-release media for USUM (screenshots, promotional videos, etc). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:55, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Now we have two Figma/Figure products called Mizuki (=Selene) and have been pre-sale. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 10:41, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
::Are the data miners done with USUM yet? Because it would probably be in there somewhere, right? --[[User:Mira Zannah|Mira]] [[User_talk:Mira Zannah|Zannah]] 13:22, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

== Mizuki ==

On top of multiple pieces of merchandise using the name, we now have the Nintendo Dream magazine using it *and* with her USUM design to boot. Surely this is now as close to canon as we're going to get.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 18:15, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:It is not likely we will use a Japanese name for the page's title. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:At least this should be the "suggested moved" to Selene currently. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 14:41, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
::Yeah I think so. [[User:Mira Zannah|Mira]] [[User_talk:Mira Zannah|Zannah]] 18:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

== Rename ==
It's pretty much official her name is Ailey. Why didn't we already renamed this article? If so, can I do it? Same with Sun, who is actually named Ray. {{unsigned|Trainer Ray}}
:Do we have any proof besides the pre-release names? There is quite a bit of evidence for Selene/Elio (look earlier on the talk page), but is there anything else for Ailey/Ray? --[[User:Mira Zannah|Mira Zannah]] [[User_talk:Mira Zannah|(Feel free to yell at me)]] 19:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
:Neither the ♂ male nor the ♀ female character has an official name per se, because neither of them has an NPC role in the games. The only reason Ethan, Lyra, Brendan, May, Lucas, Dawn, Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, Rosa, Calem, and Serena have such official names is because of their NPC roles when you choose their opposite gender as PC in their respective games; Red and Blue have such official names because of their NPC roles in Gold/Silver/Crystal/etc. So no, let's not rename this article based merely on merchandising practices going on - their provisional fan-assigned names are just OK in the meantime, so long as they are labeled as such (as is being done with Leaf and Silver). I already discussed this reason [[:Talk:Sun (game)#Rename|here]]. [[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 23:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
::I'd argue the amount of merchandise calling her Selene makes it pretty official. If it were one thing, you could maybe assume they were just using whatever they thought sounds good, but the fact we have Goodsmile, Kotobukiya and others calling her Selene makes it pretty evident that this is what Nintendo/TPCi is calling her. Plus these same companies are also using the canon names for other trainer characters, such as Hilda, Rosa, etc, which were previously only confirmed by ingame data.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 17:57, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

== 11 years old. ==

She is 11 years old. Why is it listed as 11-14? {{unsigned|Trainer Ray}}
:More to the point, why do you think she is 11 and not older? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:36, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::The player character is pretty obviously the same age as Hau, who is 11 years old. Also, "around 11 years old" doesn't go as far as 14.[[User:Trainer Ray|Trainer Ray]] ([[User talk:Trainer Ray|talk]]) 16:38, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::"Obvious" is not any sort of evidence, that's assuming. Where do you get "around 11 years old" from? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:40, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Wicke: "You and Hau are both trial-goers, aren't you? Are you hoping to become champions? I suppose... You must be around 11, then?" Hau is definitely 11 years old as that's also the age for beginning the island challenge, which gives me the impression Ailey is also 11 years old as they begin the island challenge together. {{unsigned|Trainer Ray}}
:::::The thing is, the player comes from outside Alola. Native Alolans might start the trial as soon as they're able to, at 11, but outside Alola you could turn 11, then turn 12, and if you come to Alola, people could be like "You should totally do trials!"
:::::And the thing about "around 11" is, they've plainly not said the player is 11 and no older. It's not at all infeasible that the player could be 12. The real problem is, we can't ''really'' place an upper limit no how old the player might be just from that statement. We may think that "14" or "15" or whatever is too old to be "around" 11, but that's just personal opinion; if official material later claims they're 14, it's not explicitly contradicting anything. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:02, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::It still gives misleading information, though. Even if it's not confirmed that they're only 11, there is ''nothing'' implying the 14-15 age range. If you want to account for the ambiguity, list it as "around 11", exactly as stated in the game. Don't imply information that doesn't exist. [[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 15:55, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::My previous comments may have misled you. I was not saying that 14 or 15 ''looked'' like a reasonable upper limit. 14 is an officially supported upper limit. (To be frank, I couldn't say where it comes from off the top of my head, but as a rule we keep tabs on this sort of thing. I'm confident it's in the page history at least.) That's the exact opposite of misleading, so please leave it on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Selene (game)

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Talk:Raichu (Pokémon)

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== Surf ==

So how exactly do I teach it surf? Something tells me it's possible somehow, but how? I can't do it through the HM, but I know it's possible somehow as it is somewhere in the page. 13:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
:Evolve a surfing Pikachu. tc26 13:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

You need a special, surfing Pikachu, then you evolve it. I think they were given out at an event before [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 15:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

:You can obtain a {{p|Pikachu}} with {{m|Surf}} by clearing [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]] and Mystery Gifting it to Diamond or Pearl. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
::Could this be worth noting in the trivia section of this article? I'm not watching the other article since I'm not very interested in pre-evolved Pokémon up to Hoenn. (Rhydon and Magmar interest me though, as they were fully evolved before generation IV) [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 16:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

== Lt. Surge's Raichu Pic ==

I think that there's gotta be a pic of Lt. Surge's Raichu in the anime section. So I'll put the pic from the "[[Lt. Surge's Raichu]]" page on the anime section of the page.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 18:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC).

Okay, something a little confusing happened to the page with the anime pics. I'm not sure but I think the original pic was Lt. Surge's Raichu. It was then replaced by Ash's Summer School Raichu. I then put Lt. Surge's Raichu to be along with the Ash's Summer School, making 2 pics in the anime section. Someone(I don't remember who it was.) replaced Ash's Summer School Raichu, leaving by Lt. Surge's Raichu to on there just like it originally was. Couldn't we have 2 pics? Or is 1 enough?--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 04:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

:One is enough, but two can be inserted but that isn't necessary.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 04:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Should Ash's Summer School Raichu replace Lt. Surge's Raichu. Force Fire, you did put the template saying the pic is unsatisfactory....... so?--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 04:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

:You can if you want to, it's just episode pics were you have to get permission.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 04:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay....... so, I'll replace Lt. Surge's Raichu with Ash's Summer School Raichu.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 04:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

: *nods*--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 04:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Gotta admit, now that I compare the two pics, the pic with Lt. Surge's Raichu really is kinda "unsatisfactory"...... now the section's pic is all good, the Summer School one looks more than satisfactory.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

It was jpg, and still blurry though, changed it so it features only Raichu.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 05:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Force Fire, you got an even CLEARER pic, wow, very good pic!--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

:thx :P--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 05:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon Yellow ==

I'm almost positive Raichu were catchable in the Power Plant in yellow [[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 03:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:I'm completely positive you're wrong. [[Cerulean Cave]] in RBG. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::by cheating don't you? --[[User:Kyokencl|kyokencl]] 12:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
:::If you cheat then anything's possible. D: —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== Obtainable trivia ==

the trivia fact "Raichu remains the only Pokémon whose pre-evolution is known and obtainable in a game that it is not: in Pokémon Yellow, Pikachu is the starter, while the only way to obtain a Raichu is by trading one in from one of the other games because that Pikachu refuses to evolve." seems to also apply for Umbreon and Espeon in FireRed LeafGreen as Eevee is known and obtainable but these evolutions are not. I think it might be a wording problem because I think the original trivia poster meant to say that "Raichu is known in the native pokedex, it`s pre-evolved form is obtainable AND the method to evolve is typical for that region but is unobtainable without trading" but that sounds a little over-specific to me -- [[User:D558|D558]] 21:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

:But you don't find out about Espeon until you get to the Battle Tower on the Sevvi Islands, and that's even only after you unlock trading with games other than FR/LG. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:: Yea I understand that but the trivia fact never mentions anything like "yet it is still in the native pokedex" or "is known in the native pokedex and ''should'' be obtainable due to its pre-evolutions availability ''but'' isn`t" -- [[User:D558|D558]] 09:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:::If we keep adding qualifiers the trivia gets less notable. I've removed it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
::::I didn't mean to sound so fussy about it, I did get what the trivia was ''trying'' to say, but anyways, this brings up a question; Would this count as a contribution from me? (not that I think I will ever get enough to get one of those marks on my user page) -- [[User:D558|D558]] 09:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Contributions are purely your edits to any page. How you get the recognition for edit count is by having one of the highest number of edits to mainspace pages, pages that don't have "User" or "Talk" in the title. But none of this should be about trying to get something to throw up on your page. It should be about improving the Pedia instead of making yourself look good. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::I never implied I was in it for "making [myself] look good." I was merely curious since I saw one recently. -- [[User:D558|D558]] 20:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm just making sure. We have a bunch of people who edit just to get that thing for their page. Some state it outright after they join when they're editing a talk page, and some don't say anything for a while, and then it comes out. It's also a reminder to everybody who does think that editing is a sort of contest to see who's best. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia Mistake==

One piece of trivia reads "Raichu's FireRed Pokédex entry references an early documentary film by Thomas Edison, discoverer of electricity." Thomas Edison did not discover electricity. [[User:Shipwreck Kelly|Shipwreck Kelly]] 12:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==
I think it should be mentioned that Rai also means "Next" in Japanese (rainen = next year, raigetsu = next month, etc.) so it has sort of a dual meaning as the "next" pikachu and also as thunder. -- [[User:Nerevar|Nerevar]] 01:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Possible trivia? ==

Would it be worth mentioning that in the anime, when battling Lt Surge's Riachu, someone says something about Raichu being slower then Pikachu, even though it has a higher base stat for speed? [[User:Miscs|Miscs]] 08:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:Lt. Surge's Raichu didn't learn the speed attacks ({{m|Agility}} and {{m|Quick Attack}}) that it could only learn when it was a Pikachu, since Lt. Surge evolved it immediately. So [[Ash's Pikachu]] could outspeed it by using those attacks. The comment was about that rather than base speed. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Obtainability via Dream World ==

I highly doubt the claim that Pikachu or Pichu can be found on Dream World. Is there a source for this claim? [[User:Weixifan|Weixifan]] 01:19, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:I am taking out the bit that claims Raichu can be found in the Dream World. I am also requesting that all further discussion about this be done in one place: on Pikachu's talk page. [[User:Weixifan|Weixifan]] 00:36, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

== Volt Tackle ==

Should Volt Tackle be in Raichu's table of moves it can learn from a previos evolution? Or can he just not learn it at all. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 18:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
:It's in the Breeding list because that's how it gets learnt. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

== Thunderbolt ==

Can someone add Thunderbolt to the list of Gen I moves that Raichu can learn from its previous evolution Pikachu level 26 in Yellow only.

I'd do it myself but I'm new and haven't figured it out yet. Thanks, [[User:Pokejawns|Pokejawns]] ([[User talk:Pokejawns|talk]]) 06:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
:Raichu can learn Thunderbolt from TM, so it isn't necessary to put it on that table. The table is for moves that can be learned only from prior evolution, so we don't include moves learned through other means. Thanks, though. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

== Coloration ==

Is it just me or does it look like Raichu's sprites from Generation II are flipped in Generation III? The shiny in Gen II becomes the normal sprite in Gen III and vice-versa (with the exception of the shiny from Gen II's white tail). I'm sure this is notable, whether this is a mistake or a bit of trivia. [[User: CWallace |C.Wallace]] ([[User_talk: CWallace |Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/CWallace|Contribs]]) 20:39, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
:Sprite trivia isn't notable. It's because it's self-evident from the sprite box (right above it), as well as so numerous and subjective. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
::How many Pokémon get their normal and shiny sprites flipped from one generation to the next? I would say not too many, if any besides Raichu. I would say that this is as objective an observation as one can make. [[User: CWallace |C.Wallace]] ([[User_talk: CWallace |Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/CWallace|Contribs]]) 20:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
:::At least {{p|Paras}}, {{p|Sunkern}} and {{p|Elekid}} do this as well.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 21:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Is it non-notable though? There has to be some reason for a complete switch right? [[User: CWallace |C.Wallace]] ([[User_talk: CWallace |Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/CWallace|Contribs]]) 22:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

== Name origin (again) ==

In addition to being a portmanteau of ''rai'' and ''chuchu'', maybe Raichu's name is also a pun on ''raiju'', the traditional Japanese beast of lightning. (I noticed the Wikipedia article on raiju cited Raichu in the same breath as Jolteon, Manectric, and Raikou.) --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 18:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

== EXP yield in Gen VI ==

Similarly to {{p|Pikachu}}'s case, the EXP yield has increased to 218 in Gen VI. Documenting it here for future consideration when making changes to the infobox template. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:06, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== Alolan Raichu ==

It's been leaked on PokéBeach that Raichu will have an Alolan Form with Electric/Psychic typing with the ability Surge Surfer. [[User:Kangaflora|Kangaflora]] ([[User talk:Kangaflora|talk]]) 21:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
:As a rule, Bulbapedia doesn't acknowledge leaks until they're offically confirmed. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
::What about when Hoopa and Volcanion were given pages before they were officially unveiled? [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 01:44, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::I think that happen, because at 2013 Halloween one hacker hacked XY games, so proof it self was games files that time.[[User:SViper|SViper]] ([[User talk:SViper|talk]]) 01:47, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Regardless, Alolan Raichu is officially revealed now, and should be added. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 14:17, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Sun/Moon Offical Site's info on Alola Raichu changes? ==

I think that the reasons/research/whatever given on the official sun/moon's site regarding Alola Raichu should be added to Raichu's biology description, like the other Alola forms/regional variants...
[[User:PkmnTrainerV|PkmnTrainerV]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 12:43, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
:They will be. Biologies are fairly complex to write and take some time. It and all the other Alola variants and new Pokemon will have them added as soon as we are able. If you would like to post a draft here on the talkpage, you are welcome to and they are sometimes very helpful in speeding up the process. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 12:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

== Puka ==

Calling Alolan Raichu a reference to Puka seems like a bit of a stretch and it ignores a lot of history. The blue eyes could be an intentional nod, but giving a surfing/water themed Pokemon a touch of blue doesn't seem unusual.

Surfing Pikachu/Raichu has always been a popular concept. It first appeared in the original manga, we had the very popular TCG promo card, you could teach your Pikachu surf in the original Pokemon Stadium which gave both Pika and Raichu unique surfing animations (where Raichu used it's tail, very similar to how it does in its Alolan form) and was of course a minigame in Pokemon Yellow. All before that episode of the anime aired. So why is that thought to be the origin of the idea? [[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:10, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Trio master

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Five:

Don't you think this is overdoing it a bit? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This reads a bit more like fanfiction/fan terminology than anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I figured it needed to have a name. After all, there is a definite relationship between the birds and Lugia, the beasts and Ho-oh, and the Regis and Regigigas.

Think it should just be a subpage of [[Legendary trio]]? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Forget a subpage, just merge it into the main trio article as a section. That article is short anyway. --WikidSmaht 09:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, when's something going to be done about this silly article? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't Arceus the master of Trio masters?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:All we know is it's the master of the lake trio. Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Regigigas... well, they actually seem to be overlords of sky, sea, and land. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

i thought Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were the overlords of the land, sea, and sky. I kind of pictured Ho-Oh and Lugia as guardians. and i'm not even sure what to think of Regigigas as of yet. [[User:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 12:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember that while Kyogre expanded the seas, Groudon expanded the continents, and Rayquaza brought neutral ground (and not ground as in Groudon, but you get what I mean) with the sky, they are very much beings of these domains, and have never been shown to watch over the effects of the domains they represent. Rayquaza may keep the balance between Kyogre and Groudon, but it seems to simply be a leader of the Sky World, rather than its Guardian. The Hebrew mythological/legendary/Biblical creatures known as Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz are seen as the Great Beasts of the Earth, Sea, and Sky (respectively), but not as the Guardians of these domains. They simply are the Greatest of the inhabitants of these domains. I'm not saying that Pokémon has to adhere to the stories that its Legendaries are based on, but they do provide a hint. Now, granted, Kyogre and Groudon's information in the version they do not appear in is important in that is states that Kyogre brought the relief of rain to those caught in drought, and Groudon brought and end to the monsoon-like rains that tormented various regions. But these are born from aspects of their nature - the ability to expand the seas or earth with Drizzle and Drought respectively. This would seem to state that Kyogre is actually the guardian of the Earth - as it brought balance back to regions suffering drought, the negative aspects of Groudon - and that Groudon is the guardian of the Seas, for precisely the equal and opposite reasons. Of course, they are not the guardians of each others' domains, though they do keep each other in check somewhat, when they're not sleeping, that is. And when they are both awake - well it seemed that they actually didn't want to fight each other in the games at least, and that it was the Orbs that drove them out of control. The citizens of Sootopolis in Emerald state that the two look like they actually don't want to be fighting each other, as if they are being forced to by the Red and Blue Orbs (which may or may not be man-made). And Rayquaza has been seen to keep them in check when this does happen (though somehow Lance and Ash and co. were able to stop them without Rayquaza in the anime). But even Rayquaza has been seen as very defensive of its area - in Movie 7 it attacked Deoxys on sight simply because Deoxys entered it's domain. That's more like an attack dog than a guardian trying to keep the balance of the skies.

Lugia has shown multiple times that if it existed in the sky, it would cause catastrophic events that could effect the entire world, but by maintaining its powers beneath the sea it is able to keep the balance of the world's water, and therefore the source of life (as seen in a traditional Buddhist sense, as well as in, say, Movies 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9). Ho-oh has been seen as the maker of Rainbows and the being that ends the storms that could cause pain and suffering to the world, so it is the guardian of the Sky World. Ironically, the Legendary Birds and their actions affect the sea and are governed by Lugia, while the Legendary beasts are governed by Ho-oh.

The Regi trio seem to have been made by Man, the class of beings often associated with the Earth, as bone and muscle and flesh are very Earthy substances. But Regigigas has been known as the being that pulled the Continents together by towing them with ropes, and it is also seen in Movie 11 as providing its phenomenal strength and its mastery over the great beasts that walk the Earth (here being Mammoswine) to prevent catastrophes such as that of the Glacidia glacier moving and causing much devastation across the Earth. Regigigas is perhaps the most Deus ex Machina a Pokémon movie character could get (though Kyogre in Movie 9 comes close), as he basically solves the final crisis of the movie, when Ash and co. couldn't. Regigigas' role of herding Megafauna is very Earth-based as well - see the Ground egg group, and it's role with Mammals (or HSOWA). Mammals almost define Earth and its denizens, though they certainly are not the only ones; but their association with humans and agriculture and also with the ancient Megafauna that dominated this world in the early Cenozoic are definitely indications that Regigigas is like a human of the ancient world, and how humans see themselves as the Stewards of Earth (or at least should...).

So my point here is that while Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent the elemental energies that empower the three domains of Earth, Sea, and Sky, respectively, it is Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh (again respectively) that are the stewards of these domains. Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent a trio (though a statistically imbalanced trio as Rayquaza is stronger than the other two), but one without a Trio Master because they keep each other in-balance ability-wise (and if Kyogre has some possible connection with "the Beast of the Sea", than it may be that the Trio Masters each keep the Weather Trio member in their domain balanced as well, though that's getting more into speculation). Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh are Trio Masters because of their Pokédex and series lore about their roles, which connect them with both the Trios they control and their domains of Land, Sea, and Sky. The association with Lugia and the Moon and Ho-oh and the Sun - that's another story that has absolutely no basis save the opening screens of Silver and Gold versions.

Arceus has yet to have been shown as the Master of Trio Masters, as has he yet to have been shown as the Master of the Dragon Trio (though this will probably be revealed next summer with Movie 12). So until then, Arceus remains as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio, only. But having created the entire world and its planes, I would assume he could be considered the master of the Weather Trio, the Dragon Trio, as well as relegating the Beast Trio, Bird Trio, and Regi Trio to Ho-oh, Lugia, and Regigigas. That, however, is speculation for now. Thank you for your time. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't he the trio master of the dragons as well.We know for sure he created Dialga and Palkia (and he probably created Giratina to start the reverse world but that is just speculation) which is like how Ho-oh created the Beasts and Ho-oh is the beast master so Arceus should be noted as the Dragon Trio Master or as Master of Dialga and Palkia.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 16:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but if he's only the master of Dialga and Palkia, then he's not a Trio Master, just a Duo Master, so to speak.

:Please add your sig with the four tildes after you comment. Arceus is almost certainly the Trio Master of the Dragon Trio as well; however, his relationship with Giratina is still not yet confirmed, while it's been established that he either created Dialga and Palkia or else they are warring aspects of himself (sorry for using the masculine noun-forms). Until Movie 12 comes out, we probably won't have an answer to that, so for now, Arceus remains only as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== lake trio master ==

in the [[Pokémon Pearl]] [[PokéDex]] data itt says the followinng : ''It is thought that [[Uxie]],[[Mesprit]] and [[Azelf]] all came from the same egg.'' Is it the egg that [[Arceus]] came from or another [[legendary Pokémon]] ?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
: Who knows, It might've been an egg fromm mew? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 13:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ah Ah Ah Ah... ==

What about deleting this article? Come on, this is just random observation with fanwanked explanation. We don't need article about this! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:A little late, but this should merged into the legendary trio article. Anyone oppose? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 03:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
::Naw, it's a good article. It could be fleshed out a bit more, and after Movie 12, it will probably be bigger with the Dragon Trio added. I say keep it for now. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with Maxim here. The article is inconsistent and attempts to reveal patterns that don’t exist. Lugia definitely isn’t the master of the birds in the games, for example, and Ho‐oh is not the master of the beasts in the anime (AFAIK; bear in mind that I haven’t watched the show in years). The fact that we ''repeat'' Rayquaza really shows that this is just shoehorning. [[Legendary trio]]s this is not. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Lake Trio Giratina==
I'm starting to think that the lake trio is led by Giratina. After all, they did ''kinda'' summon him and lead the player to him ''and'' he appears in the fourth lake of Sinnoh. This is purely speculation but so are the others, except the Golems.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah good points, I think you could be right yknow. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 20:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::Possibly, however, it clearly states that Arceus created the Lake Trio himself. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 21:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==Isn't Arceus the master of two trios?==
I'm pretty sure he's the master of the Dragon trio too. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:As {{U|Unown Lord}} said, "''It is one thing to claim that Dialga, Palkia and Giratina constitute a trio, but going as far as suggesting that Arceus created Giratina is simply unfounded and will be avoided until proven in-game.''"--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 22:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::As I've said numerous times throughout this talk page, we'll get our answer most likely in Movie 12. Wait until then. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:::In Platinum, it said that Giratina was the member that "no one talked about." You can't create two members of a trio without creating the third, especially when the third is basically a parallel universe! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== No proof for Giratina...? ==

...I recall in Pokemon Platinum, at the Spear Pillar, Cynthia states that Giratina was created alongside Dialga and Palkia, though never talked about...- ''unsigned comment from {{u|M190049}} ([[User talk:M190049|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/M190049|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It isn't a trio master.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 21:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::...I didn't say it is. In the text, it says "According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia. Whether Arceus created Giratina or not is unknown."
::...It kind of confirms this in Platinum.
:: [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:::With the facts, it seems Arceus DID in fact create Giratina. It does kinda confirm it in Pt...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay than. I'll remove the sentence. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::M'kay, I removed it and replaced it with a new one. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== I think that this chart would be better ==

I'm just not sure wether or not you'll agree.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[a:File:Legendary_birds.jpg]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
| [[File:Neo3_beasts.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary beasts]]
| align="center" | [[Image:250.png]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| After the three [[legendary beasts]] perished in the fire at the [[Brass Tower]], Ho-Oh revived them.
|-
| [[a:File:GenIII_Battle.jpg]] [[Weather Trio]]
| align="center" | [[Image:384.png]] {{p|Rayquaza}}
| Rayquaza may internally be the master of the [[weather trio]], primarily because it had quelled the fighting between the other members of its trio in {{game|Emerald}}.
|-
| [[File:Legendary titans.png|100px]] [[Legendary Golems]]
| align="center" | [[Image:486.png]] {{p|Regigigas}}
| Regigigas will awaken on bringing the three [[legendary golems]] to [[Snowpoint Temple]]. Regigigas' {{game|Platinum}} Pokédex entry also claims that it built statues made of {{p|Regirock|rocks}}, {{p|Regice|ice}}, and {{p|Registeel|magma}}.
|-
| [[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.png|100px]] [[Dragon Trio]]
| align="center" rowspan="2" | [[Image:493.png]] {{p|Arceus}}
| According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia, and it's stated in {{game|Platinum}} that Giratina was created alongside them, thus completing the [[dragon trio]]. All four legendary Pokémon will battle in the 12th Movie, ''[[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime]]''.
|-
| [[a:File:MespritAzelfUxie.jpg]] [[Lake Trio]]
| Arceus is also said to have created the [[lake trio]] whilst creating the universe, making Arceus the only trio master that is related to two legendary trios rather than just one.

|}
This chart is smaller and less image heavy, and it's a little more convenient if your looking for the master of a certain trio. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 20:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that the images clash with each other turns me off on the idea. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::What do you mean by ''clash together''? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 13:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::They don't look good together. Also, it is hard to see which trio is which; they all just look like blurs of color at that resolution. With that said, the point of an article is to read it and not just look at the pictures, so how about we do just that. If one reads the column title it shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention the master is the first in the row, and therefore the one the eye should first travel to. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::They look fine to me. {{tt|I can see the images just fine.|and if you can't, then that's what the names are for}}And do you ''realy'' think that ''every'' pokémon in ''every'' trio should be shown? {{tt|Isn't this article about the ''masters?''|Hence the name?}} [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Uh...yeah? That's what that column is for. The images are all of varying quality too. The Bird Trio and Lake Trio are screenshots and the others are official art. The The Regi art is the worst of them all: anime image on a white background. If we use this, just the their menu sprites in there.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:144MS.png]][[File:145MS.png]][[File:146MS.png]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
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:::::And if you do this, make sure all three sprites are on the same row...not like how I have it there with Moltres on it's own line. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::You know, Sketch, you might have an idea there. The Master is larger than the pokémon in the trio, which makes it the first thing you see, and the trio pokémon are {{tt|small and almost unnoticeable|which is a good thing, after all this article is about the masters}}. One thing's for sure, it's better than mine. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== What. ==

A quote from the Trivia:
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"Lugia is the only trio master who did not debut in the same generation as its trio."''

What about Regigigas? It's from Gen. IV and its trio is Gen. III. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Has been removed. You know, you are allowed to take out this stuff yourself. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh...Every edit I make someone reverts and tells me not to do it again, I decided to take the safer route here. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus the double master ==

Isn't Arceus really the master of all the trios? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 17:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, Arceus is the master of two trios but he can boss all the other masters about. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 17:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia ==

Was Lugia's relation to the other three birds ever mentioned in any of the games? Or is it just anime exclusive? I don't remember there being any mention of it in the original GSC games, but is there anything about it in the remakes? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 17:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:It's in Mystery Dungeon R/B. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, i see. I haven't played any of those Mystery Dungeon games. But aren't they in an entirely different world then the main games and anime, though? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Real History ==

I'm from Portugal and when they distributed Arceus for Diamond, Pearl and Platinum versions they gave me a booklet telling the history. I quote:

''Arceus is regarded as the Pokémon God, the creator of the Pokémon universe''.

''This is a legendary Pokémon, Alpha species and normal type. ''Though, if it have some elemental plates it can be transformed in one of 17 types of Pokémon.'' This is its powerful multi-type ability.''

''The story goes that Arceus was born from an egg in chaos even before the outbreak of the cosmos.''

''Arceus began creating Pokémon to put everything in place. The first thing he did was to create Mew to take account of the universe, this one and Arceus are the Pokémon that accompanied the formation process of the cosmos.''

''Then he had to create Shaymin so that nature arise and to maintain balance. Arceus created Dialga, which in turn gave rise to time, and Palkia, which led to the space. Giratina created to control the death and, if necessary, act as mediator between Dialga and Palkia.''

''After that, it created Jirachi that put the stars on firmament. Once created light, thanks to Jirachi, immediatly Darkrai could be seen in Arceus' shadow. Arceus thought to give a mystic touch to the universe and created Cresselia, the first Pokémon with feelings. This created the moon and, thanks to the feelings, wanted some help and company, so it created the legendary trio formed by Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf and later the Clefairy. This legendary trio was later charged with providing living beings with feelings, like emotion, knowledge and will, basic features that represent each.
'''Welcome to the Pokémon Universe.'''''

That means Arceus created Mew, Shaymin, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Jirachi and Cresselia. Cresselia created Clefairy, Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. Darkrai was created by Arceus' shadow.

For people who knows portuguese:

''Arceus é considerado como o Pokémon Deus, criador do universo Pokémon.''

''Trata-se de um Pokémon lendário, da especie Alpha e de tipo Normal. No entanto, se possuir algumas das elemental plates pode transformar-se num dos 17 tipos de Pokémon. esta é a sua poderosa capacidade multi-tipo.''

''Reza a história de que Arceus nasceu de um ovo imerso no caos ainda antes de eclodir o cosmos.''

''Arceus começou a criar Pokémon para colocar tudo no seu lugar. A primeira coisa que fez foi criar Mew para que tomassse conta do universo, pelo que este último e Arceus são os Pokémon que acompanharam o processo de formação do cosmos.''

''Depois teve de criar Shaymin para que a natureza surgisse e para manter o equilibrio. Arceus criou Dialga, que por sua vez deu origem ao tempo, e Palkia, que deu origem ao espaço. Criou Giratina para que controlasse a morte e, se necessário, agisse como mediador entre Dialga e Palkia.''

''Posteriormente criou Jirachi que colocou as estrelas no firmamento. Uma vez criada a luz, graças a Jirachi, imediatamente foi possível ver Darkrai na sombra de Arceus. Arceus pensou dar ao universo um toque místico pelo que criou Cresselia, o primeiro Pokémon com sentimentos. Este criou a lua e, graças aos seu sentimentos, desejou ter ajuda e companhia, pelo que criou o trio lendário formado por Uxie, Mesprit e Azelf e posteriormente os Clefairy, este trio lendário ficou encarregue de mais tarde dotar os seres vivos de sentimentos, como a emoção, a sabedoria e a vontade, cracterísticas básicas que representam cada um dele.''
'''''Bem-vindo ao universo Pokémon.''''' {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
:Sounds like fanfiction.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not fanfiction because it's real. When I read it for the first time I was confused too, but... it also says how to receive Arceus and it's caracteristics:

Pokédex nr. 493
Specie: Alpha
Type: Normal
Ability: Multi-Type
High: 3,2 m
Weight: 320,0 kg
Level: 100
Experience points: 1.250.000
Object: Baya Magua (Magua Berry) {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
::Could you possibly show us a scan or pics of this pamphlet?
::Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm calling unofficial until GameFreak of Japan says something like this. "Giratina was created to control death"? If I'm nto mistaken it was confirmed to be antimatter some time ago. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

How can I Ulpoad pictures to Bulbapedia?

I knew about the control of antimatter but, I'm good in Particule Phisics, if Giratina controls Antimatter it must be made of antimatter and he couldn't come to our world or we to its.

--Sakas 18:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok forget it.

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:I don't think you understand the nature of our request to see scans/pics. We want to see the part that proves that it is officially endorsed by Nintendo.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok! These pics were taken with my DSi and, I don't know why, only three pics are jpeg, others are the symbol of Nintendo, Cover of the booklet and back cover. Thoses pics was, like the others, transfered for facebook and the format is png

I will try to convert them

Sakas 19:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok I get it
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:I'm still doubtful of it. It's stated ''in the games'' that the lake guardians were made by Arceus, along with Dialga and Palkia (and Giratina, too, as Cynthia reveals). Nintendo knows their legends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

So why did they created that story? It is real! Trust me! I know it seems weird but that's what is written there. I understand your position. You can ask Nintendo. And... where is stated ''in the games'' that they are a creation of Arceus?
Sakas 17:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

well that means that Crescelia is a the trio master of the pixie trio, denouncing Arceus as their trio masters, that also means that the trio hatched from the same crescelia egg.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably

the only possible explanation is that nintendo wanted to release this as a surprise goodie to stir things up along with the figures, so they cancelled it in all over world but forgot potugal, so its a company mistake, although that thing revealed alot such as creation of darkrai, one can see the two having some slight resemblance only by the shape of the head (somewhat), and thus arceus and darkrai are somewhat of a duo, somewhat, and some what of a trio if a crescelia is considered, and if so this is the first time that a trio master is part of a trio, but i'm still sceptical, didnt anybody else get such a booklet in portugal??? {{unsigned|Nobody777}}

Yeah You're right! Why did Darkrai born in Arceus' shadow? Maybe Arceus is too powerful that even his shadow is able do create a Pokémon {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}

== Umm... C*CK PUNCH! ==

But seriously. Read this. There could be a subpage about Legendary Quads. Just for the Muskeeter group.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Landros, master of the Raijin trio? ==

Has a higher base stat total, is encountered in a different way (and level), requires both the other members to be captured to be encountered... It is fairly different from the other 2, and it screams trio master for me. We need to get more information, but keep it in mind. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 17:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== My thoughts on Keldeo ==

I think that Keldeo should be the leader of the Musketeer group since it is an event Pokémon and requires the other three to make it learn the Sacred Sword (I think) move. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:The problem is, it's not the leader. In fact, it's the opposite: Keldeo is the youngest of the group and was adopted by the other three. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::You mean {{m|Secret Sword|Sword of Mystery}}, but the Musketeers are definitely different than the other groups. --[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 23:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I was really confused. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 04:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with Zekasaur. Here is my quote from the Musketeer's page: "If, as we have noted, Keldeo is not truly part of the trio, and it is (semi) far apart from the others in the Pokedex, wouldn't Keldeo be qualified for Trio Master? This would also save us from the trio/musketeers/quartet dilemma." So, how about it? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 18:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Seems to me it's probably meant to be the trio master, consider: It's the "Boundary pokemon," probably meaning the one who maintains balance between Reshiram and Zekrom and apparently the game creators made it the one that could use {{m|Ice Burn|Cold Flare}} and {{m|Freeze Shock|Freeze Bolt}} (though apparently not officially), moves containing both types of the other two, they can't. Also it has higher HP. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 20:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:It's too early to say. We'll have to wait for the third game or more info to come out first [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
May I point out that Kyurem's base stat total is lesser than that of zekrom and reshiram, so there might be a new one to fill that void as it would be hard for it to control those other two. Just a thought, mind you. We'll all find out eventually. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 00:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Whenever I join in a conversation, it dies. Awww... [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== Lake Trio ==
Is it possible Cresselia is the master of the Lake Trio? As stated above, in the Real History section, Cresselia did (possibly) create the trio, and as quoted from Cresselia's page, "Cresselia's three main colors (pink, yellow and blue) are the same as the main colors of the Lake guardians." It seems they also used the same shades of the above colors. In addition, they are all Psychic type. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 22:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hello? I would like an answer. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::Even if it is, there is not enough evidence that Cresselia is the Lake Trio's master. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

==Legendary Golems==
Should it say some where that Regirock, Regice, Registeel, and Regigigas are all weak to fighting? Or does it already say that somewhere? ([[User:Plokool|Plokool]] 02:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC))

== Kyurem vs Cobalion ==

Since this new movie is featuring Kyurem and the musketeer Pokemon, is it possible that Kyurem is their master? Or is it to early to tell? Once we see the movie, if it turns out my theory is right, I think it's worth adding, but I suppose time will tell. [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 03:57, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

:Besides the movie, what does Kyurem have in common with the musketeers? The types don't coincide ({{t|Flying}} for the [[Legendary birds]]), there is no historical connection ({{p|Ho-Oh}} bringing back the [[Legendary beasts]] after their death, Landorus stopping Thundurus and Tornadus, Arceus creating the creation trio and the lake guardian trio), there is no name similarity to make them slot straight in (Regi- Rock, Steel, Ice, Gigas), and there is no ability connection (Rayquaza's Air Lock to neutralise Kyogre and Groudon). There is no point speculating until Kyurem and Keldeo are given a proper spotlight in an upcoming game. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:27, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== duo+master=/=trio ==

Doesn't "trio" imply three equal parts?
For example I find it silly that it's the "weather trio" when 2 of them cause weather, and the stronger one neutralizes it (not to mention the dozen other ways Rayquaza is superior to them, including a more intelligent guardian-like role, instead of wreaking havoc). A weather-duo with an anti-weather-guardian would be the right direction. Same for the cloud demons. And the musketeers; if anything Cobalion is at least part of the trio, Keldeo the adoptee is the one whos place in it is in the air for now. But even then, Cobalion being their master, based on its vague role in the family, with nothing else that would make it stick out in any way (unlike Keldeo) is too much. They don't have a master, just a student. Also the word master feels so misleading (it's not like they own or control each other), but.. there is no fitting word for meaningless obvious connections between legendaries that I know of.

I also want to note that the pokemon fanbase is exaggerating the creation myths/legends part of legendary pokemon when it comes to this kind of speculation (which may be what GF were aiming for though XD). The only things that really presents these creatures as supernatural beings with godlike powers, are their myths. The facts are simply that pokemon exist, who are stronger than usual and have some neat abilities (affecting the weather, manipulating dimensions a bit). They don't even show any sign of near human-like intelligence, actually they can happen to get caught into pokeballs by strong trainers and battle for them like usual (unless one considered anime canon, but its kind of hard to take serious when they disregard lots of things from the games and make up just as much own crap as they go along). Think of it that way; in the old times, some people witnessed a legendary like Groudon or Arceus, saw water evaporating wherever it went/saw it call a bunch of Unowns to make an egg or two fall out of the sky, and as they passed the info on, it turned into myth starring Groudon as the landmass god or Arceus as the creator of the universe. Same for the rest. They didn't create anything, they're just very rare/gone/hidden and best at manipulating specific things. Thanks for anyone who actually reads this, just had to vent it somewhere already Dx --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:In regards to your opening sentence, the word "trio" just means "group of three", and in no way implies equality within the group. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:: Well alright, but what makes the difference between the Regis being a trio with master instead of being a quartet, if not that the three share more similarities between each other than with Regigigas? If the Regis aren't a quartet then Groudon and Kyogre are a duo with a master/guardian (as they have so many similarities while Rayquaza sticks out as superior on multiple levels, even design-wise), same for the Kami. Also at the moment we have no idea what will become of Kyurem and how it really relates to the other 2, but in the current state they're not a trio by that logic (even if Kyurem gets buffed up, itd be a Rayquaza situation in the end).--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 11:03, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Rayquaza doesn't really stick out from Groudon and Kyogre to me. They all have something to do with weather (neutralizing weather still involves weather), have similar markings, their movesets are even slightly similar. I can see how the Regis and Regigigas could be a quartet, except that Regigigas came out in a different generation. I feel like that sets it farther apart from the other Regis than Rayquaza is from Groudon and Kyogre. Plus, I find that the reference to Regigigas creating the Regi trio also sets it apart. If it created them, shouldn't it be their master and not part of their group? Like Ho-oh and the Legendary Beasts. These are just my opinions, though. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 11:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::::It could have caused Sandstorm or Hail but instead it neutralizes weather, that is clearly superior. It doesnt wreak havoc, it steps in to calm the idiots down. It has 3 different colors of markings (red, black AND yellow) instead of just 1 (red or black). It has 2 types instead of 1. It has superior stats.... either everything ends up being part of a single octagesimaltet or its grouped by sharing the same amount of similarities. lol.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Well B2W2 have been out for a while and I think it's safe to say {{p|Kyurem}} is the Tao Trio master.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 04:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
:Do you have any reason why it would be the master? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
::Well, {{p|Kyurem}} seems to be the corpse of the original dragon. Kyurem can be combined with {{p|Zekrom}} to form Black Kyurem or with {{p|Reshiram}} to form White Kyurem with the DNA Splicers, which makes Kyrem seem dominant over the other two. It represents a boundary of some sort. It also wants to reunite with Zekrom and Reshiram. [[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 19:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I disagree, it didn't display that it could have "dominated" them on its own. It was only with Team Plasma's intervention that it was able to, as otherwise it would not have had the DNA Splicers necessary for that to occur, nor the power to track down Reshiram/Zekrom. Black Kyurem and White Kyurem are more "proof" of Ghetsis (and later the player character) ruling over Reshiram/Zekrom than Kyurem doing so. Personally, I've never really liked the concept of "trio masters". People seem too eager to force things into these roles when they may or may not be fitting. But this is getting off-topic from my original comment. >.> Sorry for the rambling. [[User:RiverShock|RiverShock]] ([[User talk:RiverShock|talk]]) 02:23, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
::::The DNA Splicers are originally owned by Drayden not made by Team Plasma, so Black/White Kyurem could have been formed without Team Plasma's existence. I don't remember exactly how Drayden said he aquired them but I think he said they are passed down by his family which leaves their origin in question.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::You missed the point. If Team Plasma hadn't stolen them, Kyurem would have never fused with Reshiram or Zekrom, or even been able to. Drayden had no reason or desire to use them, and I'm not even sure he knew what their use was. [[User:RiverShock|RiverShock]] ([[User talk:RiverShock|talk]]) 15:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::I realize that, I'm just saying it's possible Kyurem could have fused with Reshiram/Zekrom in the past without Plasma's intervention since the DNA Splicers existed before Team Plasma. I will adimit though, that the DNA Splicers are probably human-made and not created by Kyurem or anything.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 02:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

== Meloetta the Kami Trio's Master ==

We've placed Landorus as the Kami Trio's in house Trio master...but wouldn't Meloetta also fit the bill since it controlled their transformation in the anime, and got them back under control after they went berserk.

I know its just in the anime, but we consider Lugia the bird trio's master and that was in a movie.

'''Evidence:''' Meloetta, like the Kami trio, also has a form change.

Meloetta is needed, at least in the anime, to help the Trio achieve their Therian Forme.

When all three went berserk, it was Meloetta who calmed them, and then changed them back to their Incarnate forme.

The evidence of Meloetta being the true Trio master is piling up. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:25, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

But the game doesn't have enough evidence to support that. Plus, they dont share similarities in origin. However, If you look at the base stats, Meloetta does have a base stat equivalent to landorus. However, I dont think there are very concrete evidence that support this. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]]) 03:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

:: We're not going by the games here; if we were going by the games then Lugia would be completely ousted as the Trio master for the legendary birds since the games have no evidence for it. Lugia's title was granted because of the movie a power of one, just as Meloetta's title should be granted [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:01, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

I really think this should be discussed. Meloetta, albeit in the anime only, is definitely fitting for the role. Also as I've mentioned, Lugia got its title from a movie which isn't much different than the anime. Meloetta is needed to call upon the trio to the ruins, transform them into their Therian forms, control them, calm them and turn them back to their Incarnate forms. It also (as pointed out by Nobody777) has the same stat total with other similarities such as gaining atk in their alternate forms. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 10:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:This will not be discused, because Trio Masters are dictated by the games' canon. Since it's established in the games that Landorus is the Trio Master, there is no discussion in that regard. In the case of Lugia, there's no mention wether if it is or not, hence, another continuity's canon had to be adopted, since its role in the movie was fitting that of a Master. If the games said otherwise, it would be removed of this list. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 09:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== Suggested merge ==

This is a fan term for a phenomenon that's only loosely present in the games, and no explicit connection/comparison between trio masters has (to my knowledge) ever been made in canon, suggesting to me that there is not a pressing need for them to be grouped together in the mainspace. Furthermore, virtually every instance of the subject matter itself is pretty debatable:
* Lugia is a trio master only in the anime
* Ho-Oh is a trio master only in the games
* Rayquaza and Landorus (and Kyurem, if you subscribe to that theory, which is mentioned in Trivia but not in the main body of the page) are already members of their trios, making them not quite fit the pattern
* Regigigas and Arceus are said to have created the trios they're supposedly "trio master" of, but there's otherwise no indication they actually have any sway over them the way other trio masters are supposed to
* The Swords of Justice are properly a quartet, not a trio, and if we're going to single any of them out, it should really be Keldeo since it's the one that ''canon actually does single out as different from the others'' (but more importantly, the Swords canonically don't fit the trio-and-master dynamic to begin with, so they shouldn't be here at all even if the page continues to exist)
So yeah, basically, I don't believe there's any actual canonical justification for this to be a mainspace page. I think we should do what we did with Electric rodents: pare it down to the essentials and use that to expand its section on [[Appendix:Fan terminology]]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

:Months ago I brought up the issue for Landorus being given the title despite in the anime Meloetta having actual sway over how they take their other forms and the only response was a juvenile argument backed by no real evidence, and the Lugia evidence manipulated to fit their POV.

:I'm actually more in favor of abolishing this entire article, since it serves no real purpose and is nothing but speculation brought forth through fan head cannon and happenstance evidence weaker than an ounce of instant coffee in a water cooler. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
::I agree that this article/concept is too much of fanon. However, like "electric rodents", the concept of a "trio master" is popular enough in fanon that we'll have to document it somehow, but I don't think this quite warrants its own page either. I personally support a merge to the [[Appendix:Fan terminology]], this is the kind of thing that article is for. ''Popular'' fanon should be documented, but not treated like it's an official thing. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 22:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Well, since its a page specifically for fandom stuff, I think it should be placed there. But the style of the article seems sterile, so what info would really be added that isn't already on the article to begin with?[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

== Other 'references' ==

I'm a little unsure about some of the things that appear in the {{DL|Trio master|other references to trio masters}} section. To me, some of them really don't seem like references at all, namely having to purify all of the Shadow Pokémon in Colosseum and having to befriend all 300 Pokémon in the Oblivia Browser in Guardian signs in order to encounter Ho-oh and Lugia, respectively. Yes, in each of these cases the befriending of a legendary trio is required to meet their master, but befriending the trio ''specifically'' is not. The three legendary birds are indeed needed to encounter Lugia in Guardian Signs, but so are 297 other Pokémon. That doesn't seem like much of a reference to me. It's not even like they're the only legendary trio that appear in the Oblivia Browser anyway. This also applies to the legendary golems in Shadows of Almia. I think that these three points should be removed from the page. [[User:Dannyboy601|Dannyboy601]] ([[User talk:Dannyboy601|talk]]) 16:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

== Why does this exist? ==

Why has this fanfiction page returned to dominance? It makes no sense to have this on every legendary page and only even begins to make sense by combining sources from difference canon. Lugia is not a "trio master" in the games and it's not a term that's ever even uttered in the anime or manga, any details that this page tells us can be told on the appropriate section of each Pokemons page (such as Lugias relation to the legendary birds in the anime). This is an eyesore on an otherwise factual and accurate wiki and needs to be mass deleted.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:14, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:I fully agree, but as far as I'm aware this has been brought up before and never gained much traction. We would need to get the approval of the {{bp|Editorial Board}} to delete it, so the most effective path forward might be to make your pitch on one of their talk pages in hopes of convincing them to discuss it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:14, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

::I disagree, this page is useful in describing a recurring relationship between legendary Pokémon in the games. While I agree that Lugia's inclusion is perhaps questionable, the others are clearly trio masters. Ho-oh resurrected the dogs, regigagas is clearly the master of the regis, arceus created the creation and lake trio, Rayquaza and Landorus are clearly internal leaders. It's clear that whenever there's a trio, there's usually a clear external or internal leader/master/overseer (whatever you want to call them). I say that's noteworthy [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - I don't what to put here.]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 18:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
:::It's not canonical, though. It's all fan inferences. It belongs, at best, on [[Appendix:Fan terminology]], not in the mainspace. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:40, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it isn't canon. However, the issue for deletion is apparently "it is fanon and therefore does not belong in the mainspace." And if that is the reason, then [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Project_Fandom_logo.png&limit=100 we had better be prepared to do quite a bit of deleting] for a reason that seems to be worded oddly. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:00, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Fanon =/= fandom. The vast majority of those pages are documenting the Pokémon fandom in real life and/or on the Internet. This page (and a small handful of pages on that list, like [[HM slave]]) is instead trying to describe something in the games that is entirely inferred or invented by fans. The latter category of pages, in my opinion, do not belong on a self-respecting encyclopedia like we hope to be. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Wiki's should always be factual, preferably with supporting evidence. My problem is that many articles on here now, this trio master stuff specifically, relies far too heavily on assumptions, theories and fan ideas, most of which only make sense if you assume anime rules and lore apply to the games, which is something we can say for 100% certainty is not the case. I can understand the argument that fanon has its place here, but it shouldn't be so prominent in the description for every single legendary. It's misleading, if not completely incorrect.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

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"...previously referred to as Gary in early manuals..."
I checked a few of my manuals:
* English Red: refers to him as "rival"
* English Blue: refers to him as "rival"
* Japanese Blue: refers to him as "Red (rival)"
* Japanese Yellow: refers to him as "Blue (rival)"

So, is the piece about him being referred to as Gary referring to the instruction manuals somewhere, or to players guides? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

Interesting. I was going off an official Nintendo strategy guide from Red/Blue. It said Gary in every instance. I said early because in a yellow version one I used to have it no longer said Gary and switched to either Blue or Rival, can't remember which. But if in the actual manuals it's not mentioned, then it should probably be taken out. --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Ah yes, I may know the strategy guide. The anime came out before the games by about a month in the US, so that may be why they chose to use "Ash" and "Gary" -- or even because they knew kids would be used to the anime regardless of when it came out. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

Haha. Yeah I have a couple "official" guides that always refers to him as Gary, never "your rival". Which always annoyed me. The only use those guides serve is as an attack reference anyway. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 09:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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>Shouldn't he be taken out of the anime characters category? - Zeta

Unfortunately, "Anime Category" is bound to the "Gym Leader" category. If you want to remove it from the anime category, and ensure each Gym Leader properly has this category where applicable, that'd be great. I don't have time at the moment to do it myself. Janine falls into the same spot as being listed in anime -- or was she in it? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

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Am I the only person who noticed that they officially changed his name back to Green in FRLG? [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 21:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:They did, but until GSDS confirms that with him as an NPC, we can't change it back. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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== Blue's Charizard ==

Why does this page list Blue's Charizard as having Aerial Ace in Red/Blue/Green? Aerial Ace wasn't introduced until 3rd Generation. I don't know what it should be, but it definitely isn't Aerial Ace. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah... someone likely took the data straight from FRLG. Anyway... we'll need someone to fix that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Looks like there was another error with Blue's Charizard that's been hanging there since forever. It was listed as having Dragon Dance, which was introduced in GenII. So I assume it knew Flamethrower instead, but if anyone has a R/B version where they can challenge Blue at Route 22, then I'd be much obliged if they checked me on that. Or, if someone can simply find confirmation on its moves, but I don't know where they might find that. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Okay, in Yellow, we know that how Blue evolves Eevee depends on the first two battles. (battle 1=Prof Oak's lab, battle 2=Route 22)

Jolteon: Win battles 1 and 2

Vaporeon: Lose battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

Flareon: Win battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

BUT! What if the player loses the first battle and then wins the second battle? Does Blue not evolve Eevee at all? Is its evolution chose randomly? I lost my Yellow Version YEARS ago, so I couldn't find out myself. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 23:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:It's not based specifically on each individual battle. It's based on the number of times you beat him. If you beat him both times, then it's Jolteon. If you beat him one time, it's Flareon. If you didn't beat him either time, it's Vaporeon. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 16:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== A few things ==

The tables of his Pokémon are a bit too much. Any way to fix it? It's annoying to load. Also, in the table for other names, there's an extra column. Lastly, Gary has more than one sprite in the games where he's a rival. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's Blue, not Gary. And we've changed the sprites for his Final Confrontation as Champion for RB. Originally, his RB sprite was used for the yellow tables, because neither Bulbapedia, nor anywhere else on the internet, or so it seems, has the yellow trainer sprites. So I'm ripping them and uploading them as I go. But that means it will take me a bit of time to get to the Championship battle in Yellow, so I'll upload it when I get there (I'm currently at Bill's House in Yellow, but I'm speedplaying).

:Oh, and about the tables being a bit too much, that's the new standard for Bulbapedia. The old version of the pages had just the species names and levels for each encounter, and maybe the moves for the final encounter. So deal with the levels, because it's a real pain to make, and we're not going to revert all that hard work we've done over the last several days. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Starting with battle 4 there's a new Blue sprite in Yellow and FRLG, and most likely RB. There's also a third (champion) sprite. Just thought I'd throw that out. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''gar''']] 21:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's why I changed the sprite for Battle 4 in Yellow. There are NO Yellow Trainer sprites, save the ones I've been uploading these past weeks. Give me some time, and I'll get you some sprites. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

So... Perhaps due to Tc26's complaint back on the 19th, or simply perhaps because we're goin gto have a new standard, TTEchidna has changed the charts on the Brock Page so as that the tables show more information, the version sprites, and can be hid. Shall we do this for Blue as well? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 18:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

:I like it a lot better than the other one, personally. It's much more detailed. What do you think? [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 03:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::Same here. It's just going to be a bitch to change. But, I'll go about it, piece by piece, and I'm sure other people will too. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I'll help you out. That's a lot of Trainers to change. =) [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 17:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Champion==

This article claims "It is a mystery who Blue's predecessor as Champion was." however, isn't it supposed to be a twist that Blue is the Champion and the player is expecting themselves to be the Champion after beating Lance? Also, I'm sure Lance implies that Blue is the first person to defeat the Elite Four... so surely we are to believe that Blue did not have a predecessor as Champion?
:I agree. It was only by second generation that "Champion" became a title for a standard character, who remains champion for good (though I guess Daigo got ousted by Mikuri, but we'll let that one slide...). The original games imply that beating Wataru makes the player the champion. I quote: "Congratulations, [player], you are now the new Champion! ...Or, you would have been, ...etc." RGBY imply that one only needs to beat the Four Heavenly Kings to become the Pokémon League Champion, but from GSC on, the current Champion was a role that was expected to be faced after the Shitenno. In a way, they (the game designers) decided that the Lord of the Four Heavenly Kings (in myth, the Shitenno always serve a master) was as much an important role so it really becomes more like 5 elite trainers, though I guess they are supposed to serve whoever is the current greatest. The fact the Champion stays on until you decide to not challenge the Shitenno any more and move on to the next game (after which you, the player, truly is the champion, as we see that Red was Champion during the years between RGBY and GSC), the role of Champion seems more like the game designers didn't know what they were going to do with it from then on. Wataru's sudden appearance as the Champion is somewhat of a twist too; if he's a wandering trainer and no longer a member of the Shitenno, it's a surprise that he's the champion. Similarly Daigo, Mikuri, and Shirona all have plot-related roles, and thus are the surprise ending Champions. But at the time of RGBY, they didn't really know they would be using these non-rival Champions, so we can't really say that there had to have been a Champion before Green. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III Champion sprite ==

Down in the Trivia section, it says that Generation III does not give Blue a separate Champion sprite, and I just wanted to point out that that's not true; it's just that no one's uploaded Blue's other FR/LG sprites. Anyways, I didn't want to start an edit war or anything, so I thought I'd point it out first. [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 17:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:True. How could anyone write such bullshit? I just LOVE it when so-called "fans" jump into conclusion. And that's all from someone's laziness. Thanks for pointing this out, otherwise Bulbapedia would have yet another false information. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ahhh, that looks so much better. Thank you for uploading them! [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 18:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

Do we only have Blue's Champion quote because those are the only ones we could find or because otherwise the page would become overcrowded? Atm, I'm actually looking for all of his quotes, does anyone know where I can find this without playing through the entirety of Red & Gold? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 23:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:[http://web.archive.org/web/20070718010538/tohjofalls.atspace.com/poke/dump-red.txt] [http://www.freewebs.com/tohjofalls/crysdump.txt] [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 21:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Awesome, thanks! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 22:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Brown? ==

His eyes look black-ish to me. Red's,and Leaf's,eyes look brown. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Page size ==

Do you think this page is a little too big? My browser freaks out when I visit it. Maybe the sprites should be hidden. This page is current 107 kbs long, more than 3 times the recommended size. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea For the Size ==

<ab>I just had an idea for the size. Why not split it up like this:

Blue (game)/Red and Blue
Blue (game)/Yellow
Blue (game)/FireRed and LeafGreen

Or something along those lines. This will significantly reduce the page sizes.</ab> '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 18:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

:But it would be for his teams only (something like what we have for Pokemon movesets). Because it would be useless to have separate articles on Blue's character in every game. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::That would be an idea to go on... Problem is, how would we do so? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Perhaps just like the subpages for the old movesets. So like "Blue (game)/Red and Blue teams" etc. GSC probably could stay in the article and just give a ''main article'' link for the other three. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Just like what Trom said, that's what I was going for. And, yes, I meant the teams. But if it would compress the size of the article even more, we could also just put the whole thing in the subpages and leave a link so people can get to them. Like <nowiki>{{main|Blue (game)/In Red and Blue}}</nowiki>. '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 02:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::But having a whole article like a big signpost just seems silly to me. All the character stuff, names and etceteras should stay on the page because it's the same info for every game. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::If you're concerned about it being a bunch of redirects, I don't see why the sections can't be expanded to talk about his role in each game, and a box with a link off to the right side linking to his team page for that game. Right now, the page is (ironically) a lot of red. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 13:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Because someone didn't change the template's colors and went with the default. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I have an idea. We could make a different page for his Stadium teams. [[User:GreenGyarados|GreenGyarados]]

===RBG section prototype===
Blue and Red have been rivals ever since they were babies. Before leaving for his journey, he lived in Pallet Town, just like Red.

The player first meets Blue at Professor Oak's lab, where he and Red were asked to come. Oak offers the two of them one Pokémon each, with Red having first choice from {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Squirtle}}, and {{p|Charmander}}. After Red chooses a Pokémon, Blue chooses the one with a type advantage over Red's. He then brags that his Pokémon looks much stronger. When Red is about to leave, Blue challenges him to a battle. Whatever the outcome, Blue declares his intention to train his Pokémon, and leaves.

Soon, Professor Oak calls the two of them back to give them Pokédexes, and tells them of his dream to categorize all Pokémon in the world with their help. Blue says he can do it by himself, and tells his sister, [[Daisy]], not to give Red a [[Town Map]] (she does so anyway, not acknowledging his words).

...

It isn't until they meet up again in [[Lavender Town]]'s [[Pokémon Tower]] that Blue's initial choice affects the rest of his team, where he switches out his Raticate and switches in Pokémon of the two types he didn't initially choose ({{p|Exeggcute}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, and {{p|Growlithe}} for Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander), bringing a sort of type balance to his team.

...

After beating the Elite Four, Red finds out from Lance that Blue was one step ahead of him, and is now the Champion. He proceeds into the final battle room to find Blue visibly more mature and with all of his Pokémon in their final evolutions, and he claims that his team could beat any type. Blue brags that he is the most powerful trainer in the world, and the battle starts.

:Not really sure whether to focus on plot or gameplay. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::I like it, but I've added a tiny bit to it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Version-specific nomenclature ==

Based on the default names in ''FireRed'' and ''LeafGreen'', should version-specific incidences of this character (namely his ''FR''/''LG'' battles) carry "Green" in place?
Also, from up top of this page, it's interesting that the Japanese Yellow uses "Blue" for rival default (and helps me to rationalize ''G''/''S''/''C'' use of Blue, since I'm a Yellow supporter above all first-gen versions (but this is all beside the point)). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 23:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:Third versions always use the second version name for the rival (except RSE, which named the rival Brendan/May). As for his name changing to Green based on FRLG, well, we pretty much decided to wait until the almost completely inevitable [[GSDS]] to see if that has him as Green or Blue, and then use that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::Optional names change in every game. That's not really a good base to debate anything. Only NPC appearance names count as canonical names. That means that his name is Blue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Well that too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::::According to his article, he had Blue as a default name in the Japanese Yellow, despite officially being Green there. The fact that he has Green as a default name in FireRed might not be any different, so we should wait for an English translation of HeartGold and SoulSilver. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 04:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::That was probably because nothing had Blue in Japan. Or something. Who knows. Yellow came out there when RB came here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== So about calling him "Green" ==

Let it be known that if he is in fact named as Green in HGSS's English translation (he will be in HGSS's Japanese, because he's ''always'' been Green there) this is moving to {{ga|Green}}. Same goes for [[Janine]] if they rename her in HGSS (please don't, NoA). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:He will always be Blue to me, but that IS logical. I can’t see anyone having a problem with it that doesn’t boil down to aesthetics/nostalgia. I hope he stays Blue in the games though. --WikidSmaht 13:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yay!!!! --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:In the trivia, it should be noted that he's the only gym leader with a generic color name. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 07:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:So do it. Although, I’m not really sure that’s important... --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Separating the article ==

As they said, this article is too long.
Maybe u should seperate the battle into a new page.
Naming it, "Battle with Blue (Games)"
And this page should be rename "Blue (Game)(Main)"
--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 08:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

:I think if we do split the article it should just be generation I, then every generation above that on a different article. We really could compress it though. {{unsigned|MasterKenobi}}
::Just a separate parties page for the Gen I battles and the Gen III aside-from-final battles. Meaning we'd have the Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur parties, as well as the GS party, which we'd move to the past party page when we get his HGSS party. But let's wait until we get his HGSS party to do so, so we can do less edits. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Splitting off the previous generation party lists to other articles, much like in the same vein as Pokémon's movesets from previous generations are split off is definitely what's needed here. Moving off the Gen I lists to {{red link|Blue (game)/Generation I parties}} and the Stadium lists to {{red link|Blue (game)/Pokémon Stadium parties}} for example, should vastly reduce the size of the article.
:::Darn these multi-generation recurring characters... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

::::Good job seperating Generation I/II's Pokémon. When HGSS comes, the page will be long again.
::::How about this? List of Pokémon, all put as "show" then open the "show" is the sprites, another "show" will be the Pokémon used? It is confusing??? --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 03:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== about his sprites... ==

In the FRLG section, he changes into 3 different sprites. Is this true in the game or what? (I never played gen 3 b4) ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 15:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. One sprite for early battles, one for later battles and one for the Pokémon League battle. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 15:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shouldn't his name be Green? ==

Well, the reason why we seem to call him Blue is because of the US Pokemon Red & ''Blue'' versions of course. That's probably because in Pokemon Red, the default name for your rival is Blue, and that's his name in G/S/C.

But were in Gen IV now, so shouldn't his name be Green? Since LeafGreen version was ''not'' renamed WaterBlue or something in the US, and according to FireRed version, the default name for your rival is Green.

Also, wtf is the female player of FR/LG being called Leaf? And since when was the HG/SS named Soul? And since when was the D/P/Pt rival named Pearl? I already know the answer: they never had those names :/. --Chaos Rush 00:38:19 (UTC)
:At the moment we are waiting for HGSS, where Blue/Green will be an NPC, rather than a rival, to see what his name is. Until then it was decided above that he will be Blue, as that was his only NPC appearance where the player does not name him.
:The female player character for FR/LG is called "Leaf", because that is what she is named if you cancel out of the naming screen without putting a name in the ''first'' version (i.e. Fire Red). Soul is currently called such based on Leaf (prefix of second version), but may change when HGSS comes out.
:Pearl is called such for the same reason as Leaf - that is what is given if you cancel out of the name entry screen in Diamond.
:Ask an admin for the official policy, but it appears to be that if they are never an NPC that is not named by the player, then they are named with whatever name it gives them if you enter a blank name - essentially the game's defaults. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

:: That's not true. In FireRed, if you leave your name blank, it does ''not'' come out with Leaf. It comes out with a bunch of random names, such as "Suzi" and "June". Also in Diamond and Platinum, if you leave your rival's name blank, he automatically becomes Barry :/. Again, that's pretty much why I think that Leaf and Pearl are stupid fake names. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 04:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Uh, "Barry" is at the top of the list for {{ga|Pearl}}, not the autodefault for when leaving the name entry blank. Trust me, if Barry WERE the autodefault, it would have been reflected in the title a long time ago. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::: That makes absolutely no sense. What you just said directly contradicts what the article itself says. The article for Pearl said that "Barry" is the autodefault for both Diamond and Platinum :/. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 16:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::...No. No, it doesn't.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 16:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Then explain this: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pearl_(game)#Optional_names_for_Pearl
:::::: OWNED. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Show me the word "default".--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: Isn't that what you meant by default? :/ If that's not the case, tell me what you mean by default, and tell my why the article says "Barry" for Diamond and Platinum. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::Look under the list, not in the list. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::: Oh, I see. But to me it still doesn't make sense how if GameFreak have stopped naming their characters after version names in R/S/E and D/P/Pt, why would the Rival have a version name as his name? And what's with favoring Diamond version over Pearl O_o... And judging by the way "Leaf" was named, then wouldn't that mean that "Pearl" would be Cedric according to in-game hidden data? Illogical of course. We might as well rename the Leaf article, "Amanda/Cassie/Hillary/Jodi/June/Makey/Michi/Omi/Paula/Rey/Seda/Kiko/Mina/Norie/Sai/Momo/Suzi" since those are the defaults, right? That's why it makes no sense, if Leaf is to be named after hidden data, than it would be logical to name the D/P/Pt rival after his hidden data, "Cedric", and yet you guys name him from the default name, while Leaf doesn't get a default name. So why does Leaf get to use her hidden data, while Pearl uses his default?[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
(/resets indent)This is Blue's talkpage. Don't complain about Leaf or Pearl here.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

: And of course somebody thinks of an excuse to abruptly end the argument once the evidence/logic is shoved in their face. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

::(reset) This is probably due to Pearl actually having a pre-set default, while Leaf doesn't. The internal coding is Leaf's fallback, one Pearl doesn't need. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, I ''will'' keep on arguing once this is brought to the proper location.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

With this logic, shouldn't he just be referred to as Rival (R/G/B), instead? Same for all of the other Rivals. I don't think anyone will agree with me, but it's more official... -[[User:ConfuseRayMisdreavus|ConfuseRayMisdreavus]] 19:03 1/16/10,
== Trivia is Shorter ==

I made the trivia a bit shorter, and I want to see if was OK with ya. So is it? (I saw the tag, so that's why.) --[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC) King and Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig♀, and most reacently, Chikorita.

== Template recolors? ==

Why were his GSC/HGSS templates recolored? I mean, all his other templates are perfectly OK, with the blue head color, current version border colors and stuff. May I ask why the color change? All of his templates are the that color scheme, so I'll change it back until anyone objects. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 23:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)}}
:His colorscheme in the games is green in HGSS. It's Blue color for GSC because he was Blue then because of Red and Blue. In HGSS he gets LeafGreen color because he's gonna be Green because of FireRed and LeafGreen. Red's the same way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::Except he isn’t. I reverted the color change that was made when we only had Serebii’s word for it, but now that the games are out, I’m reverting my revert. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== English name ==

After playing through HGSS, I'm thinking they'll be calling him Green in the English games. His room's green, his Gym's green (where all others have their typecolor)... though like Clair, his Gym has two colors... While Clair's had the colors of the Dragon type icon in FRLG, Blue's Gym is green on top... and blue around the sides. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with you. The default name of Green is Green in FR/LG not blue, but since Bulbapedia is a dictatorship, and the higher ups says, "Well in FR/LG you can name him whatever you want, so Green isn't his official name". *Facepalm* [[User:Pokemon1234567890|''Poke'']][[Cool Trainer|''mon'']][[User talk:Pokemon1234567890|''1234567890'']]
::If it was a dictatorship, you'd be banned for saying that. ;)
::But anyways, it used to be Green before we revamped the whole site about a month ago. Soooooo... don't be saying crap like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh? RAHB, you're thinking of the {{adv|Blue|manga guy}}. This wasn't moved, it was always Blue, cuz that's his name in English GS. IF his English HGSS name will be Green, then we'll move him. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Really? I thought this was moved too... oh well. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::You got a point Hunter Blade. If it was a dictatorship I would've been banned. Okay, It's a monarchy, but anyway back on subject. The only reason his name was Blue in generation one was because of the lack of Green being released anywhere besides Japan. I bet the Japanese Bulbapedia doesn't have this problem. (I bet they are laughing at us). -[[User:Pokemon1234567890|''Poke'']]''mon''[[User talk:Pokemon1234567890|''1234567890'']]
::::::The only reason they'd laugh at us is because we have a canonical conundrum (actually, I'd think they'd rather feel sorry we're even in this situation) that won't be solved easily (why would the Japanese have this issue? It's not theirs). Which Japanese is the top canon, "Green" is not English canon (yet). You're reasoning he's "only Blue because..." verifies that, for the time being, ''yes'' he is Blue in English canon. That's top par. And if HGSS carries over the "Blue" issue, you people will still argue, "But he's Green over there!" But he's not Green here. And if HGSS does have Green, it ''will'' be changed, because that's apparently how it's done (why Jackson is [[Vincent]] despite being Jackson first).
::::::And yet, we've recently tucked in out pants to put the Special manga into its English roots. Which meant, yes, changing the Green character into Blue (as is English canon, despite the issue with their eye colors that makes) and vice versa. We support English canon for our frontyard (meaning it will always be the face of Bulbapedia: ''English language denotions'') and use Japanese canon to support what is needed to be supported (as it is true canon). But since names are changes from Japanese ones to English ones, proper names are not infallible, nor are taken as "correct" over the English ones. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:So much for that theory. :-p --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Location on where to get his PokeGear number and battle time ==

We are missing that. If we have a thing that tells what his team is during the rematch, we should have the time and place on where you can get his number and when you can battle him. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:From [[Daisy Oak]], actually. Her article implies it could be any time... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== last name ==

It appears that his sister's last name has been confirmed in the game. This implies that his last name is also Oak. Should this be moved? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'll support the move. But in which game was it confirmed? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::FRLG Fame Checker for Daisy. It's the Four Island entry. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::<s>OK then. Support.</s> [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Oppose. Who the hell would look for him under "Blue Oak"?? :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:16, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually, {{u|Umeko}}'s right. Changing to oppose. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should it at least be noted? I don't think it should be moved, but it should be noted. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, at least let it be noted... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Another thing, Umeko, isn't that way redirects exist? I'm pretty sure 95% of the people that go to bulbapedia search Pokemon/pokemon instead of Pokémon, yet they are kept at that name due to it being official. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::This is the same bull we got into with May Birch/Brendan Birch. NO THANK YOU. Like {{adv|Blue}} is staying there, {{ga|Blue}} is. We're not moving him. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Should it be noted though? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Reset. Keep Blue where he is [at "Blue (game)"], set up a "Blue Oak" redirect, and in the article, set up the first sentence as "'''Blue Oak''' (Japanese: '''オーキドグリーン''' ''Green Ōkido'')". No change necessary, tidbit is addressed. Things like that are done on Wikipedia all the time, when someone is known by a name, but their real name is longer, or different from what they go by. No harm, no foul. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Blue Oak goes to his manga counterpart, so should it become a disambiguation? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I say we leave the page title as-is, but call him "Blue Oak" in the opening sentence. Like we did in [[Sapphire (Adventures)]]. Also, yeah, I guess it should be a disambig since they ''do'' have the same name. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hair==
While Gary Oak in the anime clearly has brown hair, I guess people are overlooking the fact this character has hair just about the same color as Misty's. His hair is clearly not brown, it's orange, or at the least burnt orange, which is the color most natural redheads have in real life. Someone needs to change his information, please. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 04:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Nope, it's brown.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

[http://yfrog.com/16heartgoldsoulsilverbluep] I disagree. Unless it has officially been called brown, which I doubt. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'd call it auburn, actually.
:Tell me, did you join Bulbapedia just to bitch about hair colors? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
No, this isn't the first thing I've done since joining, and that's not the reason I joined. Why? did you join to "bitch" about new users? Also, you clearly don't know what auburn is, because auburn is a deep shade of red(the actual color) and brown. Guess I'm pretty good at bitching about hair colors though. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you'd like to know a more correct term, it would be burnt orange, the color many natural redheads have. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's about the same color as a light brown colored pencil. Crayola brand. In both the 12 and 24 pack. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think most people who have used colored pencils know they don't come out as dead on as the color's name. Also: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(colour)]

Compare him to Brock's game art, tell me how similar they are? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:There's a thing called shades. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, and his hair is clearly a shade of orange. And since you know about shades you should know most people with orange tones of hair have light brown tones along with them. Are you making a point? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::He is a fictional character no one cares. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Then why are you here if you don't care? Also, why does his page even have a slot for his hair color if no one cares? Why does this site even exist if nobody cares about anything? Nice way to back yourself up. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Hehe... you're not helping yourself either, Getsuei. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're here to tell you to shut up and stop bitching about all the small details, so shut up and stop bitching about shit no one cares about. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

"Kinda orangish-brown with flecks of white in it, happy now?" So somebody edited his page to say this.
Okay? The fact just about everyone here has problems with me just because I wanted to get his details on his page right, even to this degree of flaming, is crazy. Nice way to run a wiki. It's not like I came here cursing at people. I really could care less if you are all so bent on going off on me for trying to get a minor detail fixed. I just thought if the site cared to list the information, it should pay attention to simple detail. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:26, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's the same sort of instance we went through with freaking Golbat. "no dude its blue i know because the pokeydex don't matter". That kind of bullcrap. Don't worry so damn much about Blue's hair. It's brown, a light shade of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's also brown in his battle sprites. —[[User:Oz|'''オ''']][[User talk:Oz|'''ッ''']][[Special:Contributions/Oz|'''ズ''']] @ 05:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The reason we care so much about it, is because ''you're'' the only one who disagrees in this conversation. THAT is why we're getting annoyed. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
cough déjā vū cough--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 05:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Clearly it's not brown though. That's the whole point. I guess we should go to Misty's page and say it's just a bright shade of brown. And if it were stated somewhere his hair was brown, I wouldn't even try to change it. I'm not an idiot, I just happen to know something about redheads. Misty's hair looks pretty brown in her battle sprites too, does that mean her hair's brown. In artwork and in his profile it's orange, so because his battle sprites have slightly more brown hair you wanna call it brown. Quit avoiding the blatant fact he has a redhead tone of hair people. Also, if for example a room full of people told you Pikachu wasn't yellow, would that mean it was true? No, because it's obvious. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::What's funny about you comparing Misty and Blue, is that the dark parts of her hair are as dark as the light parts of his hair. It might not look like that until you compare them side by side, because the lighter colors of Misty's hair make the dark look darker. I know, because I mess around with colors all the time and sometimes confuse myself with them. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::What are you getting at? Just because their shades of orange aren't the same color that means his hair isn't orange? What are you even saying? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You could say that Blue's hair in the artwork is bronze-coloured... It's not really orange, and it's not brown at the same time? —[[User:Oz|'''オ''']][[User talk:Oz|'''ッ''']][[Special:Contributions/Oz|'''ズ''']] @ 05:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::You are saying that his hair is basically the same as hers. It's not. I agree, his does look a bit orange, but not if you compare it to Misty's. Then it looks brown. And for me, hers could pass off as an orangy light brown until compared to an actual light brown. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

:The point is that people who are brunettes do not have orange in their hair naturally speaking. If you have orange in your hair you are a redhead. I'm a redhead, I know the facts about redheads. Burnt Orange, Orange Brown, whatever. The point is his hair isn't brown, it's clearly a shade of orange. Go to Princess Daisy's page on the mariowiki. You people probably think she's a brunette, but you're wrong. Her hair just happens to range in shades of dark and bright orange. Even stated by Nintendo her hair is orange. The point is you people are avoiding the fact that just because his hair isn't a blatant bright orange color, that he is not a brunette and his hair is not classifiable as brown. If you all really want to be so stubborn as to avoid something so obvious, fine. It's obvious if I could edit this page some moron would revert my edit anyway. Also, nice job responding to someone with flames when I didn't even act rude or "bitchy" in the first place. Now though, you people can decide on this situation for yourselves. Hope you base it on facts and not your uninformed opinions. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::You realize you just wrote a huge paragraph arguing over hair color right? Come on. Argue about something that actually matters. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I thought Princess Daisy's hair was brown. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 00:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia error ==

"Blue is one of only two NPCs who has been both a Gym Leader and a Champion. The other is Wallace (though Wallace was a Gym Leader before becoming Champion, and Blue does the reverse). Both of them were the eighth Gym Leader and Champion of a region introduced in an odd-numbered generation." This is wrong as Blue wasn't a gym leader until gen 2 an even numbered generation.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 07:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:Refers to the region, not the character [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] 07:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Return ==

Given that Blue's Pokémon use Return in Generation IV, isn't it possible to calculate just how much his Pokémon love him?--[[User:Mongeese|Mongeese]] 22:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Probably not, at least not exactly, since damage calculation has a random component. But their friendship level should be somewhere in the game code directly... if anyone knows where to look. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 01:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== The use of Green? ==

Okay, we all know it's Blue in Generation IV by now. But his default name in FireRed is still his Japanese name, Green. Maybe the article should mention this in the FireRed / LeafGreen section? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 04:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Disambiguation error ==

Blue is not a game, he's a game character. The disambiguation, "game", makes no sense. --[[User:Bilge|Bilge]] 23:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:May is not an anime, she's an anime character. We don't need titles that are five miles long. "Blue (your jerkass rival from the Kanto games). Blue (game) is good enough. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::While it initially doesn't make sense when you're new(ish), the ''game'' refers to the fact that the article is about someone/something in the game continuity, the ''anime'' refers to someone/something in the anime continuity and so on. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Number of Pokes Trivia ==

There are 42, and I don't see why someone keeps changing it back. >:(

1. Bulbasaur
2. Charmander
3. Squirtle
4. Pidgey
5. Pidgeotto
6. Abra
7. Rattata
8. Ivysaur
9. Charmeleon
10. Wartortle
11. Kadabra
12. Raticate
13. Exeggcute
14. Growlithe
15. Gyarados
16. Pidgeot
17. Alakazam
18. Venusaur
19. Charizard
20. Blastoise
21. Rhyhorn
22. Rhydon
23. Exeggutor
24. Arcanine
25. Eevee
26. Spearow
27. Sandshrew
28. Fearow
29. Shellder
30. Vulpix
31. Magnemite
32. Sandslash
33. Vaporeon
34. Jolteon
35. Flareon
36. Cloyster
37. Magneton
38. Ninetales
39. Heracross
40. Tyranitar
41. Machamp
42. Rhyperior

I guess this person thinks he has a Magikarp that evolves into Gyarados or something like that, when it doesn't. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 01:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

==Manga==
Shouldn't Shigeru or Green be mentioned? The manga section only refers to Pokespe. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, if Blue has other counterparts feel free to add them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== trivia ==

"Blue is the only rival with a starter that could be weak to the players starter"

But doesn't the rival in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum become weak to the players starter if you choose Chimchar?

Piplup becomes Prinplup, then Empoleon, a Water/Steel type right? If Chimchar evolves into Monferno (then Infernape), a Fire/Fighting type, wouldn't you have the advantage against the secondary typing of that Empoleon? [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengarzilla]] 21:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Think it means primary type. Same thing happens with Torterra. Ground beats Fire. Although I do agree it should be removed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
::Hate to jump in on an old conversation, but I noticed that Blue in Yellow is the only beginning rival (ie not Wally) with a starter that's never super effective against the player's starter. Vaporeon is weak to Pikachu (Doing half damage to Pikachu, while getting double damage done to it from Pikachu), Jolteon and Pikachu do half damage to each other, and Eevee/Flareon and Pikachu do base damage to each other. -[[User:Dresden213|Dresden213]] 22:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

== Flareon's moveset. ==

I don't know why, but in Pokémon Yellow, Flareon is capable of using Reflect. When I used Omastar (or Omanyte) lvl ~42 to fight him with Water Gun Flareon doesn't attacked, just used Reflect every time. Also, recently when I attacked it with Thunder... it used Reflect. Does moveset varies or what? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 19:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Alakazam's moveset ==

In Pokémon Yellow Version, Champion Blue's Alakazam knows the move Psychic. Swift or Kinesis must be wrong. Probably Swift, since Alakazam and its evolutionary relatives aren't capable of learning that move according to Bulbapedia. It might know Reflect as well. This also applies for this page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_%28game%29/Yellow [[User:Nechifor|Nechifor]] 10:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:From watching various YT videos, I confirmed {{m|Recover}}, {{m|Kinesis}}, {{m|Psychic}} and {{m|Psybeam}}. Looks like Swift was wrong. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Claus? ==

In HGSS his official art looks a lot like the masked man from MOTHER 3 without his mask. I am not the only one who has noticed this. here is a mask-less Claus- http://www.flickr.com/photos/75005145@N00/3095867094/ sorry, that's the best I could find...{{unsigned|Ghost chimera}}
:No, not really. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Moveset error ==

I recently battled him in Silph Co. and his Charizard used Smokescreen, Wing Attack, and Flamethrower.
Oh, and his Charmeleon used Smokescreen during the Pokémon Tower battle. [[User:Sludge|Sludge]] 14:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Mention of scrapped music? ==

I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure if fake or not. But I found one of the battle music on youtube, and it mentioned it playing in B/W but it was scrapped. Is it true? If it is, isn't it worth a mention in the Trivia box? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 23:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
:I personally don't think it's notable. Not enough evidence it was truely scrapped or not. Also adding trivia is currently not allowed. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
::It's in the games' code and it's unused, it's definitely not fake. The R/S version of the legendary beasts theme is mentioned in their article, even if it's only part of a trivum. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 00:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

== "Blue will not battle the player until he or she has the other seven Kanto badges. " ==

Apparently not in Crystal, as I didn't defeated Blaine yet, but I could challenge Blue in Viridian Gym. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 18:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

== Possible change of font ==
Hey guys, not exactly sure how this site works or how to edit pages, but is there any chance of changing the colour of the "show" spoiler tags on Blue's team lists? Trying to see blue on blue doesn't exactly go too well, and people newer to the site than myself may not even realise they can open the lists out.
Same kinda goes for any other pages that Blue is featured on, such as the Viridian Gym page.
As I said, I'm new to the site and thought it better to write in here than to go straight ahead and edit the page itself.
[[User:SandShrewsbury|SandShrewsbury]] 12:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== FRLG Champion sprite trivia ==

This may sound like POV but, if not, would it be notable to add that his Champion sprite in FRLG has the same pose as Mewtwo's front sprites from the same games? [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 16:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Remove Kanto Elite Four Template. ==

Blue has been removed from this template because he is not one of the Elite Four. That template should be removed. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 23:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Six Island Quote ==

Article is locked, so I will paste it here for anyone to add it:

=====[[Six Island]]=====
:''"Hey, <player>! How's your [[Pokédex]] filling up? It looks like it's impossible to get all the Pokémon by hanging around just these parts. Maybe there are Pokémon we don't know about somewhere far away... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Well, if I can't do it, there's no way for you to get it done. I'm not going to get all desperate over this. I will keep collecting Pokémon at my own pace while I train them. That's what I'll do. So there's no point staying here. I may as well leave for home. That's that, then! Smell ya later!"'' [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 04:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

== Age ==
can we do 10 in FR/LG and 13 in HGSS because they are set 3 years apart? and if so would this be applicable to red?
--[[User:Glalie Power|Glalie Power]] ([[User talk:Glalie Power|talk]]) 00:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
:No. Besides, Red was 11 in RGBYFRLG. Blue's age was never released. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Thing ==

:Concerning the bit of trivia that mentions his Raticate being the only Rival Pokemon to be replaced, in May's optional second battle in Rustboro city in Pokemon Emerald, she has a Torkoal that's eventually replaced by a Slugma. Although, I don't know if this is an error considering the fact that Brendan's article states he has a Slugma in that battle. In either case, that trivia should be removed. --'''[[Special:Contributions/Azurillglow2mlw7|Azurill]][[User talk:Azurillglow2mlw7|glow2]][[User:Azurillglow2mlw7|mlw7]]''' 19:43, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

== Dead Raticate? ==

I keep coming across fan art, videos and other instances that say that in the original Red and Blue, The Rivals asks you if you know how it feels to have a Pokemon of yours die while in Lavendar town, and that this is why he doesn't have his Raticate anymore. I know the article's transcript of the conversaton betwen rival and player make no mention to this, but still there are so many people stating this and even claiming to remember it.

Its been to many years and my Red and Blue games were lost long ago...is there any truth to this...or could it be just some regional translation thing; like people in certain regions receive differently translated game text? Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask this. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 04:42, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
:No. It is pure fan speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:56, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
:: Ah, oh thank you. Man this thing has spread like wild fire; it everywhere. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

== Blue- Gary Confusion ==

It has come to my concern that you have added Gary's battle's from "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition". You see, "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition" is based off of "Pokemon│ Season 1: Indigo League", so in "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition" you play as Ash Ketchum from Pallet Town, and your rival is Gary Oak, not Blue Oak. Now the story is more similar to "Pokemon Red Version" & "Pokemon Blue Version" but the anime wasn't that far in progress yet. The anime is just a more detailed version of the story is all. Same goes for the manga and the games. So I believed this should be fixed. {{unsigned|Alakazam Dan}}
:The game characters =/= the anime characters, and though the game is based basically off of the anime, Red and Blue are not the same as Ash and Gary. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 15:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

::I know Red and Blue are not Ash and Gary, that's exactly my point. The games Red,Blue,Fire Red and Leaf Green you play as Red and your rival is Blue... but the game yellow is based off of the anime it is suppost to follow the events in the anime meaning you are ash not red {{unsigned|Alakazam Dan}}
:::Based on =/= carbon copy. A lot of the things that happen in the anime don't happen in Yellow, and everything that happens in Red and Blue happens in Yellow. You still play as Red in Yellow. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 05:38, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Separating the articles out by character ==

I have an idea. Why not seperate out Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow as individual characters, just make it be that Red and Yellow are brothers who are rivals of Green and Blue Oak, who are also brothers. Basically, Red and Yellow happen and so do Green and Blue. LeafGreen... Leaf is just her own character. --[[User:DarthNightmaricus|DarthNightmaricus]] ([[User talk:DarthNightmaricus|talk]]) 22:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what you mean, but I'm guessing you mean to treat all of those games as canon? Which isn't necessary since a) they're all pretty much the same storywise, with a few minor differences and b) what you're wanting to do is just fanon which isn't going to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 22:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

== Joining Team Rocket? ==

I can't remember where I saw this, and I kind of doubt it, but is it possible that Blue/Green/whatever we're calling him (as long as it's not Gary), joined Team Rocket? This is interesting to me because of Team Rocket disbanding in generation 1, Blue taking over the Viridian Gym in generation 2, the reappearance of Giovanni in generation 3, and Blue's reappearance in generation 4. I think they (Blue and Giovanni) both appear in generation 5, but, I'm not sure. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 19:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

:Any such discussion belongs on the forums, not the wiki. Nothing in the games suggests that Blue joined Team Rocket in any capacity, so to say so would be total speculation. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:: Didn't know that. I wasn't sure either, especially because it's more or less a rumor. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 17:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

== Beta/Unused Dialogue in Red/Blue/Yellow - Trivia Worthy? ==

In RBY and FRLG, the Player can be defeated by Blue in the first two battles, in which he will say something; though in successive battles, the Player will just white out (well, on the optional Route 22 battle, he will say something, then the Player will white out). However, I have found unused dialogue for Blue in Red/Blue/Yellow text dumps. It appears that he would have said these quotes if he defeated the Player in the rival battles.

Battle 2 - Route 22 (Optional - note that this is different from his final dialogue for this battle)
:SONY: "What? Why do I have 2 POKéMON? You should catch some more too!"

Battle 3 - Cerulean City
:"Heh! You're no match for my genius!"

Battle 4 - S.S. Anne
:"NINTEN! What are you, seasick? You should shape up, pal!"

Battle 5 - Pokémon Tower
:SONY: "Well, look at all your wimpy POKéMON! Toughen them up a bit more!"

Battle 6 - Silph Co.
:SONY: "How can I put this? You're not good enough to play with us big boys!"

Battle 7 - Route 22
:SONY: "Hahaha! NINTEN! That's your best? You're nowhere near as good as me, pal! Go train some more! You loser!"

Battle 8 - Champion battle
:"Hahaha! I won, I won! I'm too good for you, NINTEN! You did well to even reach me, SONY, the POKéMON genius! Nice try, loser! Hahaha!"

Here is my source: [http://iimarck.us/dumps/]. This dialogue is found in the "dred.txt," dblue.txt," and "dyellow.txt" files... Just use Ctrl + F and search "Sony" to find the quotes.

Anyway, relating to Bulbapedia, is the beta/unused dialogue trivia-worthy? If not, should it at least be noted in the Trivia that he has unused dialogue? I haven't seen anything like this for other Pokémon characters. Also, I do not know if this exists in the Japanese RGBY, either as final or unused dialogue. [[User:BewitchedBlue|BewitchedBlue]] ([[User talk:BewitchedBlue|talk]]) 00:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
:Personally, I think the information would be more suited to the [[Pokémon Red and Green beta]] article. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
::I think it would be good on the Pokémon Red and Green beta article too, but I also think it's notable trivia on the Blue page (just to mention he has unused victory strings). Additionally it [http://hax.iimarck.us/post/9892/#p9892 indeed exists] in Japanese Red/Green as well (I actually checked this back in February 2012), but I never checked Japanese Blue or Japanese Yellow. I don't see why it would not be there personally, since they're in English Yellow and Red/Blue are based on Japanese Blue, but we can never assume. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 22:23, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

== Oak? ==

I don't believe it's said anywhere in the English games that his surname is Oak. Is this from the Japanese version or is it a complete assumption? The name doesn't sound natural in either language and despite being Oak's grandson, he doesn't necessarily share the surname. I'd be interested in a source for this.

Talk:Player character

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Five: /* Side Series/Spin Off */ new section

I suggest merge of [[Player character]] and [[Rival]], as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:And again that request is made. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re-write? ==

Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have a reason? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Backsprites ==

I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon? ==

There's not really much more to say... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is [[Lucy Fleetfoot]]. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== *COUGH* ==

Why do we need backsprites?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Michael and What's his name... ==

What about side game characters? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites ==

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Two little things ==

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gamecube game characters? ==

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Umm...already stated... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ranger ==

Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I will. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== The new girl ==

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and {{ga|Soul}} until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually '''give her one outright'''. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under {{ga|Soul}}. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow ''miss her'' in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a '''HUGE''' hat. I felt like crying :(
See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Titles... ==

Color clashing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Should be better now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Overhead sprites ==

Think we should add those too? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's backsprite ==

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are two there already... [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/con01_img04.jpg it],it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Counterparts for missing ==

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia ==

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Gold's HGSS Name ==

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==

I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters?

== Stadium characters ==

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you ''technically'' do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== What's wrong? ==

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Black and White Trainers? ==

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black)
On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?[[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? '''''[[Special:Contributions/Shiny_Rayquaza|→→→]] [[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Optional names for <player character> ==

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. [[User:Takharii/sandbox#'In other languages' template|They're both here]]. Which one does everyone like better? [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Colors of the first one on the second design. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Channel ==
What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Are you sure that the edits by ''Ash Pokemaster‏'' is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::If you need sprites you can always use a [http://www.spriters-resource.com/ sprites resource]! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P
::Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ranger Backs & Main Series ==

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:See just abobe. :) [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Typing DS chars ==

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== P+NA ==

is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

== Black and White 2 Trainers ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

== X and Y ==

Do we have a confirmed name here?

http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/june_p14_04.jpg

[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

::Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). '''Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case.''' [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5b/XY_Prerelease_PSS_battle_1.png

:It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.

:Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. [[User:Gohan5|Gohan5]] ([[User talk:Gohan5|talk]]) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::::I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

:Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))
::Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - [[User:Theodorethebear|Theodorethebear]] ([[User talk:Theodorethebear|talk]]) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:::To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Female Character ==

This page says if the female player is chosen on the [[Crystal]] game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

== Player height and weight ==

*{{ga|Ethan}} was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
*{{ga|Lyra}} is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
*{{ga|Lucas}} is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
*{{ga|Dawn}} is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the [[Pokédex]].) It seems as though we only have it for the [[Generation IV]] protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for {{ga|Red}}, {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Brendan}}, or {{ga|May}}? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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== Side Series/Spin Off ==

Why the distinction? I know there's a lot people that wrongly consider Colosseum and XD to be part of the main series, but I see no reason for there to be a distinction between these and the other spinoffs. They do have gameplay closer to that in the main series, but they're hardly the only spinoffs to allow trading to the main games. Seems like a completely arbitrary section. [[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 12:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Mega Evolution/Archive 1

2014-08-29T20:06:04Z

Five: /* Mega Latias & Mega Latios */

==Ampharos==
This article implies they retconned Ampharos to Dragon-type. As far as I know, he's not; it's the MegaAmpharos who has the Dragon-type... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:55, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:Oops, didn't notice it. Only if you had reported this 3 minutes ago... [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 14:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

== mega evolution ==
Please add that, A new area called the Master Tower is related to Mega Evolutions. --[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 15:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC) add this

== Should the abilities be added? ==

In the chart on the page, should the abilities of the mega evolved formes be added? [[User:MrBananaMan212|MrBananaMan212]] ([[User talk:MrBananaMan212|talk]]) 17:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

:IMHO yes, at least for abilities confirmed different from the species's regular Ability. That would include:
:* {{a|Adaptability}} for Mega Lucario
:* {{a|Insomnia}} for Mega Mewtwo

:Whether or not to include Mega Blaziken/Mawile/Ampharos/Absol is still a matter of debate. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::I'm uncomfortable with adding Abilities because we don't know if it will be their only Ability, or if their Hidden Ability will be different. I think the info needs to be there, we just need to be careful about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:22, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Mega Evolution ==

For the sake of completeness.... its Korean name is 메가진화 ''Mega {{tt|Jinhwa|Evolution}}''.
* No analysis needed. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 17:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

== Request for minor edits... ==

The aspect ratio on Lucario's image seems to be off (Firefox reports it as being scaled up to 150x227, correct size 150x138). Can someone fix that? I'm not sure what to look for in the markup, and of course, the page is currently locked. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:I think it's like that because the picture got updated today. It should fix itself soon enough. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 04:59, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:: ''*reloads image*'' I see. Much better. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 03:04, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Um.. I think all of the normal and mega Pokemon's images have been warped by the table. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 19:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
:No, that's happening to all Pokemon articles on all pages. The staff are updating Pokemon images to make them square so they can be used for something (not yet identified) in the future. For now, they appear as though the old images were stretched into the new dimensions. In time, the new images will properly sync and replace them. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolution Physiology ==

Should we add the appearance of the Mega Evolution forms to the Physiology section of the pages of the Pokemon that have them? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 06:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:I think that's a good idea. The Pokémon probably don't need completely separate articles since it's closer to fore changes than actual evolution. [[User:Reign|Reign]] ([[User talk:Reign|talk]]) 20:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::We can do it like how we did the Kami trio's forme difference physiology. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Individual Articles ==

If there's a page for Mega Evolutions, why do the individual Pokemon articles aside from Mewtwo not mention their new forms? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
:We have to make an extreme amount of modifications to our existing tables and infoboxes in order to accommodate Mega Evolutions. Although we try to be as current and up to date as possible, we also want to only have to mess with the coding for high use templates as few of times as possible, as the wiki will have to force itself to update every single page using the templates, thus causing the site to slow down. We're waiting a little bit to work out all the final kinks to these before implementing them. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
::Fair enough, but couldn't even a mention and link to the article be made in the intro paragraph? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
::I will never understand this site's policies... [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Totally agree. It sometimes seems on wikis (not just this one), that things that would be an easy fix, at least temporarily, until the permanent thing is decided upon are not done, leaving the wiki with outdated information, which will only turn away those who are looking for it, and they will go to other places instead. Furthermore, even though wikis are supposed to be "community encyclopedias", it often seems the mods have all the power in deciding how and when things are to be done, even if several regular users express the wish for things to be different. (Again not talking just about Bulbapedia). I just tell myself it will be fixed eventually, and if things still aren't right, the pages will eventually get unlocked, and I can fix it then. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 14:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
:Maybe everything could be working with just a few workarounds, but there is a reason why we are not using them. Previously, there hasn't been a Pokémon who could evolve two times and then temporarily evolve a third time just for battle and revert back its final evolution afterwards. Because of that, the templates were never originally programmed to support more than what was already needed since there was no point in doing so at the time, in addition to potentially and unnecessarily slowing down the wiki if it was added to the template. This is why we are currently waiting on the updated templates. We don't want to treat the Mega Evolutions like they are just a form change, especially for those who do have a form change already present in the games. Not to mention that we want to have everything looking nice and in a way that doesn't cause interference with other parts of the wiki. Templates can be coded to do events that they normally would not have to do, such as adding an article to a category if a specific value is true or passes a certain limit. The Pokémon articles rely heavily on this so that the information can be easily added, confirmed, and automatically replaced if there is an issue or mistake. In addition, Archaic is the webmaster of the site and is in charge with keeping the site running efficiently. After him are the other Webmasters, Werdnae as the Editor-in-Chief, the Editorial Board, the Bureaucrats, and so on. Likely, the members of the staff had to make a decision when the Mega Evolution were revealed to keep all the articles as close as possible as to how they were until the PokémonInfobox template could be updated to support everything that we now know. That way, everything could be tested and corrected before the games were release and it would be checked to prevent interference with other parts of the wiki. So, I would assume that when October comes around, the new PokémonInfobox template should already be up and running, which is the goal since we want everything running before the games come out. Hopefully, this will be able to explain what is going on in the background and why things are proceeding as they are. :) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 17:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

== More Megas ==

Today the Pokemon website officially released Mega Ampharos, Mega Mawile and Mega Absol. Now could we update their pictures to these instead of the blurry corocoro scans please. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 05:31, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:They are updated. It takes time for them to update on Bulbapedia. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== DNA Rainbow ==

Shouldn't it be noted that the rainbow colored shape above a Pokemon's head while it mega evolves is the same symbol found on the Japanese logo for X and Y? --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:: The DNA symbol you speak of is the Mega Stone. [[User:Zeta|Zeta]] ([[User talk:Zeta|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Height/weight ==

You may also note that MegaEvo can change {{tt|height and/or weight|Even though it either doesn't change anything, changes both, or changes only weight; no Mega with known weight and height has changed only height}} of the Pokémon. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 07:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Images ==

While I know Serebii is widely considered a fansite, he ''does'' have some new images of the Mega [http://serebii.net/xy/megaampharos.png Ampharos], [http://serebii.net/xy/megamawile.png Mawile], and [http://serebii.net/xy/megaabsol.png Absol] that are better than the scans. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 15:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:The high quality artwork of the Mega Evolutions has already been uploaded to the archives, it only takes some time for Bulbapedia's system to recognize the image changes and display the latest version, thus why you still see the low quality scans. It usually takes a couple of days before the correct versions (the high quality artwork) is shown. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 16:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
::It appears that images will update when their size is changed, so I made a minor change to the image sizes.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Aha, I see them now. Though, on the topic, I think [http://serebii.net/xy/megakangaskhan.jpg this] might be a better image for Mega Kangaskhan. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 17:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
::::That's hosted by Serebii; we're not allowed to use his stuff. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::Ah, well nevermind then. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 18:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

== Original Ability ==

Could you put the primary abilities that the Pokemon has before the mega evolution to show how it changes. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 09:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know how having a Hidden Ability affects the change, so they will not be put up right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== mega evolution seem similar to something else? ==
Hey not sure if this was the right place to mention this or not, but as a long time fan of Pokemon AND digimon, I cant help but draw similarities between mega evolution, and digivolution from the digimon anime. I only mention this as a matter of curiosity. In the digimon anime, a digimon would digivolve to a higher form during battle, before reverting to they're original form after the battle had ended. I just thought the similarity was worth noting.[[User:Silverfin007|Silverfin007]] ([[User talk:Silverfin007|talk]]) 14:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:It's most likely just a coincidence. They're similar concepts, you know? So unless it's officially stated by Game Freak, that theory should be ignored here, with a possible discussion just on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net the forums] [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''オリ''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''ジ''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''ナル''']] TheOriginalOne 15:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

And if it was intentional, Toei Animation would probably sue Nintendo for plagiarism. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 15:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

:It's also similar to characters from Dragonball Z going Super-Saiyan. There's all sorts of things that it could be compared to. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 05:32, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolving ==

As we now know that Mega Evolution occurs when a Pokémon able to Mega Evolve holds a Mega Stone and a specific button is pressed on-screen during battle, as proved yesterday on the Pokémon Game Show demo version of Pokémon X and y, in a photo that was taken, where the in-battle button was showcased. Should the text that states - "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and meet a currently unspecified other condition." not be changed to "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and the player must select the Mega Evolution button whilst in battle."--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 20:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
:No. That was a demo. There is nothing saying that it happens like that in the full game. For all we know, the condition is that it has to be unlocked. I don't think that pressing a button counts as a "condition." [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
::I agree, there could be more requirements and restrictions that need to be uncovered first. With something like that it wouldn't surprise me. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 00:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
:::OK, thank you. {{unsigned|ShinyPatch}}

== Demo Mewtwo ==

Has anyone actually gone to the "Pokémon" menu after obtaining the Mewtwo in the demo to see what its Mega Stone is? If they would check its stats to see any increases afterwards, that'd be nice too. I can't seem to find anyone who has, but it seems like it'd be pretty simple to do. For the purposes of getting as much info as possible, perhaps someone with access to a demo who sees this message will give it a try? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 22:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:The demos were only playable during Pokemon Game Show, an event that ended several days ago. I suppose it's worth looking at when the English demo is available at PAX Prime (Aug. 30 to Sept. 2). Basically, I'm trying to tell you, don't hold your breath: if anyone even can do so, it'll take more than a week before they get the opportunity. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
You'd think someone would have thought to look this info up when playing the demos. Then again, the demos are bare bone so you likely don't have the option to look at a Pokémon's states. Although, someone could have at least figured out Sylveon's type match up to some extent. Is anyone on the Bulbapedia staff attending the american event? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:: In [http://youtu.be/5g4c7n6WUO8 this video] of the demo, found on Serebii.Net, the player is given access to the "Pokémon" menu, but the player never does so after obtaining the Mewtwo. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 07:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Okay, I don't exactly have a GOOD source, but according to one user on GameFAQs (again, this isn't at all reliable), the "Summary" option is missing from the Pokémon that you select in your party. So it isn't viewable, if this guy is telling the truth. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 21:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
::::We'll keep a look out for that and see about adding it once a better source comes along. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

== Same thing with Mega Garchomp ==

As I stated for Mega Mewtwo X, I also meant the same for Mega Garchomp

[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 20:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:What are you talking about? What did you state? This is the first time you've posted on this talk page. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

== Pictures for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp need replacements ==

I don't think my previous comment made it through since someone deleted it. I'm inquiring as the title says. The official Pokemon X & Y website has better resolution pictures of Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp that could be .PNG files. I believe the staff member working on this page can take those pictures and put them in this page for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 17:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
:They've already been updated in the archives. Bulbapedia takes time to update when that happens. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 17:58, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
::Also, as you can see from the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mega_Evolution&action=history page history], you never made a previous comment in the first place. We've been having server errors lately, so it's likely that's why you think you made a comment but it does not exist. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

== Individual articles for each Mega evolution ==

Should we create individual articles for each Mega Evolution? Since they aren't simple "form changes" like Giratina, Shaymin and Keldeo etc, but a type of evolution, should we treat them as evolutions or should we just put every information on their respective un-Mega Evolved articles? I personally think they could be viable for their own articles if one were to use an altered version of the regular Pokemon pages (like maybe removing sections like Learnsets etc). [[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] ([[User talk:Angela-Samshi|talk]]) 19:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think they need their own articles. They really are pretty similar to form changes since they're afaik once a battle and only last in battle. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 19:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
::Mega Evolutions are just powered up versions of already existing Pokemon. They are not their own separate species and don't need their own articles. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 20:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
:::I think they should at least have illustrated sub-sections in the Pokémon's articles, since some Mega Evolutions have abilities different from even their Hidden Ability (like Mega Venusaur having Thick Fat), as well as different stats and specs. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 22:05, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
::::We are dealing with that. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 22:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

== Link template? ==

Could a link template similar to {{template|Shiny}} or {{template|Shadow}} be created for Mega Pokémon? If possible, I would make make the template look like

<nowiki>[[Mega Evolution|Mega]]{{#if:{{{1|}}}| {{p|{{{1|}}}}}}}</nowiki>

The "1" parameter optional so it could be used on Anime episode articles. What do you guys think? - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 13:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

== Might be helpful... ==

It was confirmed that there would be no Kalos mega evolutions, meaning not all starters will get to mega envolve. I'm new dont yell.
[[User:HoennRemake|HoennRemake]] ([[User talk:HoennRemake|talk]]) 14:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
:* Do you have a link to a source confirming that? Also, people won't yell at you here very often, at the most we will just be really blunt. Comes with the territory of weeding out fan-speculation from the actual facts, as that's what this site tries to focus on. And some people do believe that something that is obvious to them, but not officially confirmed to be true, can pass as a fact; when there is always a chance they can be wrong, but I digress. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 21:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::It's from a interview with Masuda. I'll have to try to find a link. Not sure if it needs to be noted however. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 21:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you! X-D Was wondering where that was mentioned, this is what happens when I try to rely on the news page here for my source of updates. LOL ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 21:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thanks funktastic for backing me up! [[User:HoennRemake|HoennRemake]] ([[User talk:HoennRemake|talk]]) 21:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::Torpoleon posted [http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=212598 this] on [[Pokémon Professor]]. It's what you're looking for. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::*Good, thanks. That's all I needed. It now is just a matter of the admins getting the time to add this, but I think they will do that once they get a few more things figured out, including any template updates, 'cause I hear they are trying to sort that out with the way things are changing with the games. (Makes sense, sprites will be replaced with 3D models...maybe, at least for [[Generation VI]] and [[Mega Evolutions]] might have to be implemented somehow, IDK. That's what I think they are gonna have to sort out along with other stuff.) ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 21:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

== "Pokémon that Mega Evolve" Category? ==

*This might be a bit premature, but seeing that not all Pokémon Mega Evolve, should there be a category for all the ones that do? Just a suggestion as well. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 17:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
:Well, I personally think there should be a category like that, it'd be very useful. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 01:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

== I don't know how to upload pics here... ==
So plz someone who knows, add [http://i.imgur.com/1huQrYY.jpg this] to the article [[User:Sandubadear|Sandubadear]] ([[User talk:Sandubadear|talk]]) 01:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

== Misleading information ==

In the paragraph saying that in online battles and the Battle Maison the opponent's Pokemon gets to move first it a false statement. I always lead with my Mega Blastoise there and more often than not out speeds its opponents unless the opposing Pokemon is faster. Also I have watch some wifi battles posted on Youtube and have seen Mega Evolutions move before the opponent.

I think this may need to be changed. --[[User:Zdude0127|Zdude0127]] ([[User talk:Zdude0127|talk]]) 05:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

== 100 BST increase? ==

Alakazam's page claims that Alakazam has a BST of 500, but Mega Alakazam has only 590. Assuming that page is correct, this one isn't. Ampharos also goes from 500 to 610. Those are the only exceptions, so it's entirely possible that there was an error calculating them, but I dunno. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

A lot of the Mega Evolutions on this page don't have a picture/sprite for them. Can someone please put them in? [[User:Functioning Blaziken|Functioning Blaziken]] ([[User talk:Functioning Blaziken|talk]]) 15:21, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:For what it's worth, those are missing because official art for them hasn't yet been released, so we don't have any. I don't know why we aren't using screenshots, but that's why there's no artwork for them, at least. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:13, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Shinys ==

Has anyone tried mega-evolving a Shiny Pokemon yet? I'm very interested in knowing what happens with that. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] ([[User talk:Legionaireb|talk]]) 05:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:Yep, Mega Evolutions have their own shiny palettes. Shiny Mega Charizard X, for example, is aqua with red wings. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::Garchomp is pink/purple, Gengar is white, Banette's the same as regular shiny Banette. Those are the ones that come to mind. I don't think I've seen the others. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 05:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Would it be worth putting these into the table to show the shiny forms as well as the normal forms?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 19:03, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
:Not at all. Beyond perhaps mentioning that shinies Mega Evolve shiny, shininess is entirely irrelevant to Mega Evolution. If someone really wants to know what a Mega Pokemon looks like shiny, they can look at the Pokemon's page (...once we get Gen VI sprites/whatever, that is). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

== Ability of Pokémon before Mega Evolution ==

We should really have a column in the "Before Mega Evolution" section with the Pokémon's standard in-game abilities listed at the least. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 18:17, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

== Template suggestion ==

I know we've been avoiding treating Mega Evolution like "evolution" per se, since it's only in-battle, but even form changes — including only-in-battle ones like {{p|Castform}}'s — have their forms listed in the "evolution" template above their sprite galleries. Would it not be prudent to include Mega Evolutions in these templates, with ↔ instead of → and with "Mega Evolution" instead of "first evolution" or "second evolution"? And once we get all the Mega Stone images, we could use those for the icons. Is this a good idea? If not, shouldn't we remove forms like Castform's from the evolution template? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Is it worth noting that Charizard and Mewtwo are the only Pokémon to receive more than one Mega Form? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 19:45, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
:No. Since there are more than one of them, there isn't an "only". [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:05, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
::I meant as in the only Pokémon to currently have two or more Mega Forms available to them. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 15:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
:: And he meant that since there are more than one that using the word "only" is incorrect. With how few Pokémon can Mega Evolve, there being more than one that can do something makes it not notable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 16:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

== Something unique about Mega Blaziken ==

Is it trivia worthy to note that Blaziken is the only Pokémon that gained a Mega Evolution and is not found in any of the Kalos Pokédexes? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
:Given that there's apparently Mega Latias/Latios just waiting to be revealed, I would say no. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
::On the other hand, the article notes Mewtwo is the only Legendary who can Mega Evolve. I guess since the Lati@s Megas haven't been revealed yet? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 00:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

== This Article is Incomplete??? Also Rest and Sleep Talk work normally ==

Ok, Maybe its real early here and I can't get my English reading skills up to par, but what the heck is being asked in that Diglet banner?

Also, in case my reading of it was correct, I just taught my Lucario rest and Sleep Talk, and they both work normally. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
:The banner appears to say that we don't know if Sleeping or Frozen Pokémon can Mega-Evolve, and if they can't, if Sleep Talk or Snore would allow a sleeping Pokémon to do so. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 18:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
::I know for a fact Paralysis and Sleep has no effect on preventing Mega Evolution. I'm not sure about frozen Pokémon, but the article already states that status ailments have no effect on mega evolution. Also you can choose to Mega Evolve and select the move Sleep talk and it will work as normal. So I think the banner should be taken down. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Is it worth noting that even though mega evolution was introduced in X/Y, none of the new pokemon introduced in those games can mega-evolve?
[[User:Pmawhorter|Pmawhorter]] ([[User talk:Pmawhorter|talk]]) 17:21, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
: Didn't someone say in an interview that this was deliberate, so they didn't end up designing fully evolved Pokemon that felt incomplete? That might be worth mentioning. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 15:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

== Mega Pokémon Sprites ==

I was just on the list of Pokémon by base stats page and noticed that Mega Evolved Pokémon are using their normal form's sprite instead of the Mega Evolution's sprite. Have the Mega Evolution sprites been uploaded yet? Shouldn't the articles use these sprites instead of the normal one, after all there is a sprite for each of Deoxys' forms. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

== Mega Latias & Mega Latios ==

I was just wondering, has Mega Latias and Mega Latios been confirmed? I don't think they have, unless I missed something (which is possible). I know Diance has been confirmed, but like one person asked on Diance's page if the other 2 rumored legends are basically confirmed cause Diance was, should a page be created for them and they said no not until confirmation, would't the same apply to Mega Latias and Mega Latios. Again, unless I missed something, shouldn't they not be on here? {{unsigned|Demers-Vachon}}

admin decision. action replay cheats. plenty of trustworthy people have the lati@site hence why they're under "unreleased". hoopa and volcanion remain unconfirmed until a similar situation happens. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 07:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah ok, I was just wondering, thanks for answering back! :-) {{unsigned|Demers-Vachon}}

I also know that Mega Latias has been released but you have to have the Action Replay Powersaves Cheat Device for 3DS Games or the Action Replay PowerSaves Pro - Nintendo 3DS, and as for Mega Latios, it was removed from the device, along with Diancie, Hoopa, AZ's Floette, and Volcanion, rumors say they are not supposed to be back on the device until July. Mega Latias- Extracted from- theangryaron.deviantart.com {{unsigned|Bubbaroocook}}

This seems like a really odd decision to me. Don't we only include information that has been confirmed? It does seem likely that we'll see these mega's in OR/AS, but it's still at least somewhat possible they were scrapped prior to release and weren't included in X and Y for good reason. Assuming they'll be added seems anti wiki.

== Mega evolution table ==

Could we change the 'X color' in the Mega Evolution table to 'X color light?' I think it'd be a little easier on the eyes. '''[[User:FireGambit|FireGambit]]''' ([[User talk:FireGambit|talk]]) 15:41, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Original Abilities (again) ==

I know this has been brought up several times already, but is there some reason at this point the original abilities aren't in the table? The original concern seems to have been uncertainty as to how HAs interacted but it seems pretty sorted that they don't, so... [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] ([[User talk:Ikarishipper900|talk]]) 03:24, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
:Pokémon have several possible Abilities (usually 3), whereas Mega Evolutions have only one. That's why they weren't originally added, but I don't think it means that they cannot be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

== Strong Bond ==

This page says, "Mega Evolution cannot be achieved if there is not a strong bond between Trainer and Pokémon", so how strong does the bond have to be to Mega Evolve and should we put it on this page? Has anyone found out this yet? ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan7|Discussion]])'' 01:28, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
:It's just a flavor thing in the game's script. It's not related to any game mechanics. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
::Oh, it isn't? So it just says so in the script and there isn't a set [[friendship]] value? It would have been kind of cool if it was that way in my opinion. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan7|Discussion]])'' 14:56, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

== Fleshing out ==

I was considering fleshing out the body of this page by making it similar to the listing on [[Form differences]]. Each section would started with brief instructions on how to obtain their respective Mega Stone, including whether the Mega Stone upgrade is required or not. It would then compare the base form and the mega form(s) as seen here:

{| style="margin:auto;"
|
{{Compare|name=Blastoise|type=Water|image=009Blastoise|ab=Torrent|abd=Rain Dish|HP=79|Attack=83|Defense=100|SpAtk=85|SpDef=105|Speed=78}}
|
{{Compare|name=Blastoise|forme=Mega Blastoise|type=Water|image=009Blastoise-Mega|ab=Mega Launcher|how={{color2|000|Mega Stone#Blastoisinite|Blastoisinite}}|HP=79|Attack=103|Defense=120|SpAtk=135|SpDef=115|Speed=78}}
|}

Obviously, this would have a large impact on how the page looks, so I wanted to see if I could get anymore opinions and suggestions. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 16:11, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

:Sounds like a good idea to me. It's the main page on the concept, after all, so having stats and comparisons here seems like a rational choice. Only thing I don't completely agree with is the Stone locations since that's all on the [[Mega Stone]] article, and the locations of the stones don't matter to the evolutions themselves. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 16:52, 3/19/2014 (UTC)
::I feel like the sections should have more subsistence than just the "compare" panels, though... I can't think of any alternatives. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 20:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

== MegaEvo evolution template ==

[http://i.imgur.com/SmFWzZx.png LINK] What are you thinking? Is it possible to make something like this template? I already have firebugged a page, but maybe it is a good idea... [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 15:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be worth mentioning that both of the Pokémon that have multiple Mega Evolutions so far are the first Pokémon to ever show up in the anime?

Charizard was the first Pokémon seen in the first Japanese opening of the anime, while Mewtwo (and Mew) were the first seen in all other countries. Now of course, there will be more Pokémon with multiple Mega Evolutions added in the future (we can assume as much) so that might not be important later on, but I think it's something worth noting for now. {{unsigned|BlackButterfree}}
:Possibly, but I don't think it's notable enough to be added onto the page. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(Talk)''']] 08:36, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

== Mega Groudon and Mega Kyogre? ==

So Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire and have been announced, and looking at the box covers, it would appear Groudon and Kyogre have been given Mega Evolutions much like the Eon Duo.

Should this be added to the article (I'm guessing not) and if not, should we protect this article to prevent the addition? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:34, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

:The page probably should be protected but there isn't any evidence to suggest that Groudon or Kyogre have Mega Evolutions at this moment in time.--[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 21:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

[[File:383Groudon.png|thumb|left|240px|original form]][[File:Omega_Ruby_EN_boxart.png|thumb|right|240px|box art]]

[[File:382Kyogre.png|thumb|left|240px|original form]][[File:Alpha_Sapphire_EN_boxart.png|thumb|right|240px|box art]]

::Actually there is visual evidence. The Box art for the games clearly show that Groudon and Kyogre underwent a transformation, and given this gen's mechanics, common sense says its a Mega Evolution.

Groudon's Teeth and Spikes become black, and his tail becomes longer (as evident with the tail spikes being spaced further apart) with the tip fanning out more.

Kyogre's tail becomes morphed with new groves and it has larger as well as new markings as well. Some of its red markings also have become blue.

But regardless the page should be protected, as should all pages relating to RS, these two and the mega evolution mechanics.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

:::"Common sense" and "visual evidence" are not confirmation. They're speculation. Apart from the new markings on Kyogre's forehead, I'd be willing to attribute everything you just listed to artistic license to make the boxart look cooler, not necessarily any actual redesign/form change/Mega Evolution/other in-game mechanic. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
::::I agree, too much early speculation at best, I seriously doubt any of this is true unless if more concrete evidence was officially released by Nintendo themselves. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 22:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

:::::Well regardless, at least the page has been protected until further info can be found.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:34, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

:::::: They coluld be mega evolutions, but we should wait before we know more about the games as not much is known about them now. --<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|Pika]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|Tepig]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|999]]✓</sc> 09:13, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

::::::: This could just be a visual indicator that they're under the influence of their respective orbs (which could admittedly be retconned into Mega Stones). [[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 08:05, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

:::::::: The new CoroCoro info confirms that these are actually Prehistoric/Primal/Primeval form of Groudon & Kyogre which are achieved through a process called "Ancient Devolution". It also confirms Mega's for Sceptile Swampert & Diancie.--[[User:LatS|LatS]] ([[User talk:LatS|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::I suppose it's possible Serebii got "Ancient Devolution" from a source, but I don't see anything on the magazine scans that would translate as "devolution". (I could also be missing it, or it could just be outside of the scans.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

== New Mega Evolutions from ORAS ==

I already did it so you can just copy and paste the code. {{unsigned|Asmod96}}

{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; border: 3px solid #{{y color}}; background: #{{x color}}"
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{x color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Pokémon
! colspan=2 style="background: #{{x color light}}" | Before Mega Evolution
! colspan=3 style="background: #{{x color light}}" | After Mega Evolution
! rowspan=2 style="background: #{{x color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Mega Stone
|- style="background: #{{x color light}}"
! Image
! Type
! Image
! Type
! Ability
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Venusaur}}
|[[File:003Venusaur.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|[[File:003Venusaur-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|{{a|Thick Fat}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Venusaurite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Charizard}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:006Charizard.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | {{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:006Charizard-Mega X.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Dragon}}
|{{a|Tough Claws}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Charizardite X}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|[[File:006Charizard-Mega Y.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Drought}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Charizardite Y}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Blastoise}}
|[[File:009Blastoise.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}
|[[File:009Blastoise-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}
|{{a|Mega Launcher}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Blastoisinite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Alakazam}}
|[[File:065Alakazam.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:065Alakazam-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Trace}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Alakazite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Gengar}}
|[[File:094Gengar.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|[[File:094Gengar-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}{{typecolor|Poison}}
|{{a|Shadow Tag}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Gengarite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Kangaskhan}}
|[[File:115Kangaskhan.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|[[File:115Kangaskhan-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Normal}}
|{{a|Parental Bond}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Kangaskhanite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Pinsir}}
|[[File:127Pinsir.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}
|[[File:127Pinsir-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Aerilate}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Pinsirite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Gyarados}}
|[[File:130Gyarados.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:130Gyarados-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Mold Breaker}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Gyaradosite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Aerodactyl}}
|[[File:142Aerodactyl.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|[[File:142Aerodactyl-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|{{a|Tough Claws}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Aerodactylite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
| rowspan="2" | {{p|Mewtwo}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:150Mewtwo.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | {{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:150Mewtwo-Mega X.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Steadfast}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Mewtwonite X}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|[[File:150Mewtwo-Mega Y.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Insomnia}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Mewtwonite Y}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Ampharos}}
|[[File:181Ampharos.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}
|[[File:181Ampharos-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}{{typecolor|Dragon}}
|{{a|Mold Breaker}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Ampharosite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Scizor}}
|[[File:212Scizor.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|[[File:212Scizor-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|{{a|Technician}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Scizorite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Heracross}}
|[[File:214Heracross.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|[[File:214Heracross-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Skill Link}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Heracronite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Houndoom}}
|[[File:229Houndoom.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Fire}}
|[[File:229Houndoom-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}{{typecolor|Fire}}
|{{a|Solar Power}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Houndoominite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Tyranitar}}
|[[File:248Tyranitar.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|[[File:248Tyranitar-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Sand Stream}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Tyranitarite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Sceptile}}
|[[File:254Sceptile.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}
|[[File:254Sceptile-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Dragon}}
|{{a|Lightning Rod}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|???}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Blaziken}}
|[[File:257Blaziken.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|[[File:257Blaziken-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fire}}{{typecolor|Fighting}}
|{{a|Speed Boost}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Blazikenite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Swampert}}
|[[File:260Swampert.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:260Swampert-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Swift Swim}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|???}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Gardevoir}}
|[[File:282Gardevoir.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|[[File:282Gardevoir-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Pixilate}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Gardevoirite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Mawile}}
|[[File:303Mawile.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|[[File:303Mawile-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|{{a|Huge Power}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Mawilite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Aggron}}
|[[File:306Aggron.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}{{typecolor|Rock}}
|[[File:306Aggron-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Steel}}
|{{a|Filter}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Aggronite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Medicham}}
|[[File:308Medicham.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|[[File:308Medicham-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Psychic}}
|{{a|Pure Power}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Medichamite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Manectric}}
|[[File:310Manectric.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}
|[[File:310Manectric-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Electric}}
|{{a|Intimidate}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Manectite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Banette}}
|[[File:354Banette.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|[[File:354Banette-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Ghost}}
|{{a|Prankster}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Banettite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Absol}}
|[[File:359Absol.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}
|[[File:359Absol-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dark}}
|{{a|Magic Bounce}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Absolite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Garchomp}}
|[[File:445Garchomp.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|[[File:445Garchomp-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Dragon}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|{{a|Sand Force}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Garchompite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Lucario}}
|[[File:448Lucario.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|[[File:448Lucario-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Fighting}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|{{a|Adaptability}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Lucarionite}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF"
|{{p|Abomasnow}}
|[[File:460Abomasnow.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Ice}}
|[[File:460Abomasnow-Mega.png|150px]]
|{{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Ice}}
|{{a|Snow Warning}}
|{{DL|Mega Stone|Abomasite}}
|-
|style="background:#FFFFFF; {{roundybl|5px}}"|{{p|Diancie}}
|style="background:#FFFFFF"|[[File:719Diancie.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFFFFF"|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|style="background:#FFFFFF"|[[File:719Diancie-Mega.png|150px]]
|style="background:#FFFFFF"|{{typecolor|Rock}}{{typecolor|Fairy}}
|style="background:#FFFFFF"|{{a|???}}
|style="background:#FFFFFF; {{roundybr|5px}}"|{{DL|Mega Stone|???}}
|}
:There's a note at the bottom saying that no Generation V or VI Pokemon have Mega Evolutions. Please change it to just V, due to Diancie being Generation VI. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 10:12, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
::We're not certain if the leaks are true. Once there's confirmation, we may add it in. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Excuse me if the question shouldn't go here, but what does define when something is confirmed? Because previous times where there were scan leaks like these they're pretty much assumed to be real. The same happened with Volcanion and Hoppa (which were discovered the same way the Azure Flute was)... --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 00:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
::::It's because the leaks were leaked earlier than usual. Normally, CoroCoro would leak on the 10th of every month, but here it was leaked a day or two early. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::I guess we can at least put in Mega Sceptile and Mega Swampert now that they have been officially confirmed. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 00:34, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
::::::I don't know if I want to enter those until we find a way to differentiate between XY megas and ORAS megas. Otherwise, the info could be confusing or misleading. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 00:39, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Since they're technically unreleased, I put the three new ones in the unreleased section. We're probably going to have to do something to show the availability in each game at some point in the future. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 02:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

== Neat..er? Mega Swampert ==
since i cant upload images (..evenificouldthispageisprotectedlel) i made this mega swampert cutout thingie for a forum post so.. if anyone's interested
here: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/W/FD/2EEW0bi3/mega-swampert.png
[[User:SbTditdatdwt|SbTditdatdwt]] ([[User talk:SbTditdatdwt|talk]]) 08:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

== Mega Sableye Revealed! ==
Just now '''''Mega Sableye''''' was revealed.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/oqfu36.jpg

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBSCthYTLE

Edit: Based on Pokebeach's report (and also confirmed by Serebii), it keeps it original typing of "Dark/Ghost".{{unsigned|LatS}}
:Other fansites are not an acceptable source. When it becomes officially revealed, we'll add it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:23, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
::Pokebeach and Serebii don't even say anything like that...--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 21:37, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

:Just something I noticed, Sableye's left (our right) hand isn't attached to its gem. Is it levitating it or something? --[[User:JoeIsCool|JoeIsCool]] ([[User talk:JoeIsCool|talk]]) 00:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

== Anime and manga sections ==

Could somebody please update the anime and manga sections? They haven't been updated for quite a while, and I think they should be brought up to date. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 21:11, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
{{-}}
PS. That Mega Sableye really came out of nowhere for me! :o

== Diancite ==

The italian trailer revealed that Diancie Mega Evolves using the '''Diancite'''. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3edqLRBCC_M Source] --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 22:53, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
:Some Mega Stones have different names between Italian and English versions, so Diancite may not be the English name.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 23:02, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

== Broken Mega Sceptile and Mega Swampert images ==

the images for Mega Sceptile and Mega Swampert do not show up on their respective articles despite the mega evolution article having the art work.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 02:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

== OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire featuring Mega Evolutions ... ==

So with ORAS talking about Mega Evolutions, should that mean that Mega Evolutions aren't exclusive to the Kalos Region, but exclusive to the Hoenn Region and quite possibly other regions too. Just a thought. [[User:Bluekirbystar|Bluekirbystar]] ([[User talk:Bluekirbystar|talk]]) 05:46, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
:We'll see. For all we know at this point, all the Mega Stones available in ORAS could be imported from Kalos. It's somewhat likely that it'll be retconned just like earlier features (for instance, double battles being exclusive to Hoenn), but it's too early to assume so. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:43, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
::The UK trailer indicates that the Mega Stone for Mega Diancie is obtained within the games. Also, its already been more or less made known that the Mega Stones for the Eon Duo cannot be traded, so there is limits to that theory. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:07, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

== "Mega Ring" page moved... ==

Would a staff member like to change the links to the "Mega Ring" page to point to Key Stone instead now? There's one in the Mega Evolving section and one in the In the Pokémon Adventures manga section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:16, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for letting us know. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:26, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

== New Table ==

I've worked on a new table for the Pokémon capable of Mega Evolution. I think the one on the page at the minute is quite large and seeming it's likely we're going to be getting more as time progresses, I thought of having one a little more 'compact'. There is a template that means less coding on the actual Mega Evolution page and the actual full code version. Don't know if you want to use them, tweak them, delete them, etc. but they're there to be used if needed ([[User:s2daam/Template:Megalistheader]]/[[User:s2daam/Template:Megalistbody]] with the coding for this page [[User:s2daam/Sandbox#Attempt #2|here]]) or the full coding [[User:s2daam/Sandbox#Pokémon capable of Mega Evolution|here]]. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 08:31, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
:This is rather late, but I prefer this table. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 18:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

== Mega Sableye's picture is weird? ==
why is the photo for mega sableye have a pokeball thing.. when there's already one on the official website with no pokeball thing.. {{unsigned|SbTditdatdwt}}
:(hotlinking is unnecessary) The image simply hadn't updated on this side yet. [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:302Sableye-Mega.png You can see here the image is clean.] [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

== TRIVIA!!! ==
The [[Hoenn]] [[Starter Pokémon|starters]] are the second to receive Mega Evolutions to their final forms, the [[Kanto]] starters are the first.- '''[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|Awe]][[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|some]][[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|DJ]][[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|Pokémon]]''' 06:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:Seconds aren't notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
::OK. How about this? "Since the announcement of the [[Generation III|third generation]] [[Remake|remakes]], the [[Kanto]] and [[Hoenn]] [[Starter Pokémon|starters]] are the only ones to received Mega Evolutions to their final forms." —'''[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|Awe]][[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|some]][[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|DJ]][[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|Pokémon]]''' 13:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Still not really notable, since it's extremely conditional and likely to go out of date in short order (especially since we can't even be sure that all Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire Mega Evoluitions have been revealed, so those games could include another set for all we know). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 15:22, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== PLASMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ==

Is it worth noting that the description of Mega Evolution (Pokemon releasing the hidden power they have) is similar to Team Plasma's plot in the anime? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 23:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
: No, not really. Its probably just coincidental--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 17:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Just curious... ==

I know the whole hacker/leaker thing is a bit of a soft spot here, but why did we add the Mega Latis if they were only confirmed by the same hack/leak? :/ [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 22:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Also, in the section about the anime, it mentions that all of the known Megas except the unreleased Latis appeared, but Sceptile/Swampert/Diancie/Sableye didn't appear either. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 22:44, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
:A staff member was able to confirm the existence of the Lati@site, thus confirming the Mega Lati@s.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 00:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
::And cannot confirm the existence of Volcanion or Hoopa? [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 10:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Not at the moment, no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

== Released and Unreleased ==

Maybe that's just me, but I believe Mega Pokémon should be separated by game they were introducted in, instead of simply by "released" and "unreleased". [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 18:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
: That's a good idea but should probably be put on hold until after they have been released as there is no guarantee that they will release Latios and Latias, (the two pokémon confirmed through hacking not announcements), with the Hoenn Remakes.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 18:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
::In my opinion it's better to keep all Mega Evolutions together in one table (although ones that are still unreleased should obviously be separated). It's easier to navigate that way. What could be an idea though is to add another bracket with what games the Mega Evolution debuted in. although it's better to do that after ORAS has been officially released and we can add most of the unreleased ones to the main table. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 19:23, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
:::I would definitely agree with Blazingfist. It think it would look a lot better with on table but with the extra column. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:47, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
::::It seems to me like the only reason indicating that would be necessary would be if X & Y weren't compatible with the new Mega Evolutions. If you can trade the new Mega Stones to X/Y and the new ORAS Megas will evolve just fine, then I don't think an "Introduced in" column would be necessary (it'd basically be trivia IMO). If that's the case, I think it'd be fine to just have that information basically on the Mega Stone page (just reflected by which games you can and can't obtain a given Mega Stone in). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:04, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::I'm under the impression that these new Mega Evolutions will be exclusive to ORAS. If they had intended to patch new Pokémon/Mega Evolutions in, we wouldn't have Mega Latios/Latias and the new Mythical Pokémon in the game data, and probably some free indices near the existing Mega Stones for new ones to be patched onto (like the Engima Berry in Gen III). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:20, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::: Surely they would have to patch it if the games are linked and can battle with one another. Otherwise you could mega evolve a ORAS Poké and cause X or Y to freeze up due to lack of data. Considering the fact that updating is possible, in order to prevent early leaking of the new megas (or maybe they were unfinished) they didn't add them into the coding with the intention to update the games with them later. So patching them in is possible and almost likely due to compatibility with different game modes between games.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 10:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::: I really do think we should have all the Mega's together, bar Latios and Latias who should remain under 'unreleased'. Yes, technically all these Mega's are Unreleased, but we know for a fact they will be released soon. We have no idea if or when Latios/Latias will be released publicly. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 10:09, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::::: They shouldn't be listed separately following the release of ORAS, but until then they are unavailable because the games themselves aren't available. Technically since people have hacked the Lati's stones onto their games, they have been released, but until ORAS is released in November the others are completely unavailable.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 10:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

==Mega Stone names==
On the aforementioned Mega Evolutions page, I've noticed that there isn't a stone for each unreleased Pokémon capable of doing so, sans {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Latios}}. Is it okay to guess that (and these are just from my viewpoint) {{p|Sceptile}} would Mega Evolve using Sceptilite, {{p|Swampert}} using Swampertite, {{p|Sableye}} using Sablenite, {{p|Metagross}} using Metagrossite, and {{p|Diancie}} using Diancite? I'm just curious and find the topic interesting. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATERWARRIOR67]] ([[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|talk]]) 16:12, 5 August 2014 (UTC)WATERWARRIOR67
:No, we don't guess the names for the Mega Stones. We wait for an official source to release the official names. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 16:32, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

:Oh. Okay. I just like to guess and didn't see any harm in doing it. Thanks for letting me know! [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATERWARRIOR67]] ([[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|talk]]) 01:11, 6 August 2014 (UTC)WATERWARRIOR67

== Add Altaria, Salamance, and Lopunny. ==

See the title. [[User:Buffbills7701|Buffbills7701]] ([[User talk:Buffbills7701|talk]]) 11:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:I actually made table with new Mega Evos here: bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Asmod96/Sandbox [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 12:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
::Will add it. Also, Asmod, if you wish to link to a bulbapedia page, simply take the title of the page and surround it with two pairs of square brackets. For example: you could use <nowiki>[[User:Asmod96/Sandbox]]</nowiki> to get [[User:Asmod96/Sandbox]]. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 12:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Also, the Trivia needs editing, it currently states that both Normal and Ice have the least amount of Mega's, while now only Ice has the least. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 12:39, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
::::And done. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokémon ==

On the page of the Pokémon listed as being capable of Mega Evolution, I'd like to add trivia. {{p|Mewtwo}}, {{p|Latias}}, {{p|Latios}}, and {{p|Diancie}} are the only legendary Pokémon capable of doing so. I know that out of these, only Mewtwo has been released. Let me know what the opinions are on that. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATERWARRIOR67]] ([[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|talk]]) 16:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)WATERWARRIOR67
:It's not unique, and it's otherwise perfectly visible in the body of the page... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== Korean Site Leaks ==

It seems that the Official Korean Pokemon Site has revealed 'Mega Slowbro' & 'Mega Audino'.--[[User:LatS|LatS]] ([[User talk:LatS|talk]]) 09:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
http://i60.tinypic.com/10p7bpi.jpg

== Mega Audino means change in the Trivia section ==

With the confirmation of Mega Audino, the statement that "no Generation V are capable of mega evolving" is now inaccurate. It should be changed to something like "Before Omeaga Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, no Generation V Pokémon could mega evolve". ([[User:Arikk|Arikk]] ([[User talk:Arikk|talk]]) 10:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC))
: It should be removed altogether, or as an alteration to what Arikk suggested: "Before Omeaga Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, no Generation V or VI Pokémon could mega evolve". Although the Gen VI bit is slightly more noteable due to the introduction of Megas being in Gen VI.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 10:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

== Trivia Suggestion ==

*Gardevoir and Slowbro are the only to two Pokémon from a branched evolutionary line to be capable of Mega Evolution. Additionally both Pokemon where the first of their respective branches to be introduced.

Or something along those lines.
[[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 15:52, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:It's not really "only" if there's more than one Pokémon from a branched evolutionary line. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 16:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
::He said "only two" meaning there are two. I think it is worth adding. [[User:Bry Landry|Bry Landry]] ([[User talk:Bry Landry|talk]]) 00:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
:::You can call any number "only" so long as you consider it ''relatively'' small. But that's the problem: that's subjective. So as a rule we generally consider things that aren't entirely exclusive/unique to be unnotable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::::That's fine. I'm a stickler for grammar, so I had to point it out. [[User:Bry Landry|Bry Landry]] ([[User talk:Bry Landry|talk]]) 01:09, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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Five: /* Spin-off games */ new section

==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types... <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc> This will put you off eating for life! 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The theory is explicitly stated by a Lass outside of Brock's gym in Gen. I and Gen. III. That Clefairy are aliens. Deoxys is also stated to be an alien virus that came to Earth on a meteorite. Kyurem was believed to be an alien before his status as Reshiram and Zekrom's original body was discovered. Solrock and Lunatone are also stated to be extraterrestrials and Elgyem and Beheeyem are based off of the 1949 Roswell, New Mexico incident so even though it's never stated outright, they're aliens as well. I personally think that the arrival of Pokémon from outer space should be included. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article is Fan Speculation ==

Shouldn't the article be marked with that Togepi tag saying that this is only speculation?[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:And why should it? You need to give a real reason why [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:There are various things in there that are not officially confirmed. It is never officially said when the GameCube or Hoenn Games take place. All that is said is that Generation II takes place three years after Generation I, XD is five years after Colesseum, Generation IV is probably set around II, and that V takes place after II and IV. Until a timeline is ever given out, this is just speculation.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 05:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::One more thing, the Pokedex is notoriously unreliable and myths are, by definition, religious stories, not accurate tales of history.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 06:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
After it says, "This information is based primarily on the mythology of both the Hoenn and Sinnoh regions," maybe there should be another sentence explaining that the myths are not necessarily true.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Unova Details ==

the following details are missing in the list. however, it is difficult to place them into the timeline. should we mention somewhere that the placement is unknown? missing details:founding of unova region, dragon split into reshirm and zekrom, kyurem came down in a meteor, muskteer trio save pokemon during middle age, thundros and tornados fighting and landros calming them down. there should be more missing though - [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 17:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be noted that sometime between gens IV and V, Ghetsis somehow acquired the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs? [[User:Wind|Wind]] 21:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

And I think, the construction of the Marvelous Bridge? Village Bridge? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 04:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Can we include a unknown date section for the information with unspecific or unconfirmed date? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Some issues with the timeline ==

''' ''Approximately two years after Generation II/Generation IV: '' '''
*''Cipher and Team Snagem return in the Orre Region, and create XD001, a supposedly unpurifiable Shadow Pokémon, but their plans are thwarted by Michael. Meanwhile, Dr. Kaminko and Chobin invent Robo Groudon and Robo Kyogre, and Professor Krane invents the purification chamber, where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily. ''
When was it ever stated that the Orre games even take place at the the same time as the Hoenn games? Orre looked like post-apocalyptic world.

''' ''Approximately 10 years after Generation II/Generation IV (Generation V): '' '''
*''The events of Black and White. ''
Why 10? If Black and White take place 10 years after Gen IV, then both Looker and Cythia have had botox. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 02:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

:To answer your first question, it occuring around the same time as the Hoenn games/Kanto games was implied with the fact that it could trade to the Sevii Islands/Hoenn when linked up. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::it is written as 10 years since the team rocket grunt in gsc/hgss makes an appearance and had a son. however, it can't be 10 years too. assuming he returned to unova the same year as gsc/hgss, it should roughly be 5 years. since from my memory, the overworld sprite of the son is a kid (i think) and so should not even be 10 years old. therefore, 5 should be a good approximation in my opinion. '''maybe another source mentioned it takes place roughly 10 years later?''' -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== "A meteor breaks up a Pokémon World Pangaea, and makes all the regions"??? ==

does this belong to the anime history instead of here? it is not stated in the games a meteor breaks up the region. istead regigigas is the one that pulls the continents... i think this should go to the anime list. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:You are correct. I have already eliminated that statement since it is from the anime. You can add it in if you would like to. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina returns to the Pokémon world prior to Generation I? ==

"Some years prior to Generation I: Giratina returns to the Pokémon world."
"Between Generation I/III and Generation II/IV: Giratina returns to the Distortion World."
Okay, where does it say that in the games or the like? --''Insert Witty Dialog Here'' [[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]])'' 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:* I thought [[Giratina]] was stuck in Distortion World until the events in Platinum (or Generation IV really). But, I'll keep those parts up, in case there is a source that I'm missing. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 06:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel universe? ==

I've been toying with some ideas on an alternate view of the game's history based on a few key facts. Essentially, there must be some concrete level of parallelism between the real world and the Pokémon world, if everything in the games is taken as canon:

*Most (or many) Pokémon are classified by what type of animal they are (Pikachu is a "Mouse Pokémon", etc.), so it can be assumed that Pokémon were not prevalent as a whole in the universe until sometime within the realm of documented history; otherwise, animals would be classified by what Pokémon they are like (if there are even normal animals in the game; the only real indication I know of is the aquarium in the Cerulean City gym in the anime).
*From that point, two options emerge:
**Pokémon evolved from actual animals sometime approximately within the realm of documented history, then out-competed normal animals to near, if not total, extinction. This must have occurred within documented history, for surely even a minute population of a given species of Pokémon would quickly dominate any corresponding animal (e.g., two Pikachu could flourish against thousands of normal mice).
**Pokémon were suddenly introduced into the universe. This could have resulted from several things: Dialga/Palkia/Giratina essentially control all of space-time, so Pokémon could have been transferred from a totally different universe; a population of Mew that existed on the planet beyond human influence, because of some external influence, suddenly evolved into all manner of other Pokémon; or something to that effect.
*Taking the Pokédex entries as fact, refer to Golduck's entry from R/B, which makes mention of the "Japanese monster [[wp:Kappa_(folklore)|Kappa]]." This implies not only that Japan as a country exists in the Pokémon world, but also that its historical and cultural development must have been largely similar to its real-life history, or else such a legend would likely have never existed.
*Other entries of that sort appear, such as Poliwrath's, which refers to the Pacific Ocean, implying that general geography is such that sailing and exploration occurred in a similar way to real life. Also consider the journal entry claiming to have sighted Mew in Brazil (I believe?). As such, we can assume that the Pokémon world was for a long period of time identical to our own, save potentially for minor changes outside of human influence (e.g. Mew population), until some particularly disruptive event thrust the world into an alternate timeline.
*Of course, there must be some limitation as to how much parallelism is accepted as canon; every player character owns the latest generation of Nintendo console at home. What is to be made of that?
*Also consider the technological development of the world, especially based on needs and resources; teleportation is essentially perfected, but there are only a handful of planes, none of which are for passengers (as in Black/White).
*If these points are all accepted, we are given potential insight into the development of Pokémon society within species: Since Pokémon must have come to human attention after the development of language, it can be assumed that all Pokémon capable of saying their names evolved to do so only after sufficient exposure to humans calling them by that name, or else language would have been deterministic.
*Given that Pokémon did not dominate the ecosystem until relatively recently in the world's history, it is important to consider how Pokémon have or have not emigrated across continents. If humans have made contact across continents for some period of time, it should be expected that Pokémon would be able to do the same (e.g. if Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2, what's stopping it from crossing any ocean a boat or a Water-type Pokémon can cross and invading a new ecosystem?). This point requires more research.

I'd love to hear what you think!

[[User:FurretTurret|FurretTurret]] 04:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== PokePark Wii ==
Can someone put the PokePark Wii plot in it? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 15:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you guys know that PokePark Wii takes place between Generation I/III and II/IV??? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 12:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

== Implications of Steven being Champion and the Dotted Hole ==
What evidence is there that RSE are taking place at the same time as FrLG? The Dotted Hole saying "CONNECT THE PAST" in FrLG and Steven being Champion still in HgSs seem to being evidence that FrLG and RSE aren't taking place at the same time. Are there any events or dialog in RSE or FrLG that definitely (or probably) reference specific time-line events in the other? -[[User:Babilfrenzo|Babilfrenzo]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Evidence ==

Where's the evidence for Generations I and III taking place at the same time, and for Generations II and IV at the same time? Black and White show that Platinum is the canon version for the Sinnoh games, and it didn't have the Red Gyarados report. Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best. Cynthia never mentions the events of DPPt in HGSS, and Steven only makes vague reference to similar-looking challengers, not to the Aqua/Magma crisis. Is that different in the original Japanese? I forget exactly what the Hiker in Hearthome says about Elm's report on Eggs, can we see what he says in both language versions of Platinum? I was discussing this with a friend (trying to support the same time argument), but I was unable to find any hard evidence that he couldn't come up with an alternate explanation for, so this is all seeming like a lot of speculation being passed off as fact. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

You're not kidding when you say 'Trading without time travel is a flimsy justification at best'. Colloseum and XD Take place five years apart, yet both of them can still trade with Generation III Games. The upcoming BW2 Games are also extremely likely to be able to trade with the original Black and White, although they take place two years apart. [[User:Pokelad2|Pokelad2]] 15:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Gen III concurrent with Gen V?!!?! ==

Caitlin is the same Caitlin in both Gen IV (Battle Frontier) and Gen V - she looks about 4 or 5 years older which would imply that 4-5 years pass between the ends of the two storylines. Now, there's a trainer in BW2 that mentions the Mirage Tower recently disappearing... does that mean Gen III is concurrent with Gen V?!
Based off that, I think it goes RGBYFRLG---3yrs---GSCHGSS---2yrs---DPPt---4yrs---BW---2yrs---BW2,RSE
[[User:Jjl2357|Jjl2357]] ([[User talk:Jjl2357|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jjl2357

In B2W2 there are Magma and Aqua grunts that have formed a family both say they were part of the teams in R/S/E "Several years ago". This means R/S/E happens several years before the events of B2W2 which can be anywhere between 3 to 11 years before B2W2 which puts it before Black and White's story anyway. Current placement is most accurate based on events that transpire between R/S/E, FR/LG, and the spin offs [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 02:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Timeline Citations ==

Forgive me, however after scanning through this article it bugs me that the only reasoning (which I can find) for Gen III and Gen I being concurrent is speculation and that doesn't sit well with me.

We know that Gen I and II are three years apart as that's mentioned repeatedly in G/S/C/HG/SS and B/W and B2/W2 are two years apart for the same reason.

We can derive that BW2 takes place after the events of RSE because of the Former Aqua/Magma couple in Iccarus, as we can derive it's after the events of Gen II and IV as Team Rocket and Galatic's failures are mention in N's castle in B/W.

Despite this, it doesn't nessessarily mean that D/P/Pt must be concurrent with G/S/C, likewise with R/S/E and R/B/Y, unless I've missed something?

As for Spin-Offs, admittedly the only one I've played is Ranger 2 and for all I know that could be before R/B/Y as it could be after BW2.

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My point is, could we have it mentioned (maybe in the introduction) the order of the games as far as we cannoincally know?
[[User:Conductor Alix|Conductor Alix]] ([[User talk:Conductor Alix|talk]]) 00:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
: I was under the impression that RBY and RSE were considered concurrent because they reference the events of each other as current events, and the same goes for GSC and DPPt. DPPt had a mention of the Red Gyarados incident from GSC, for example. That being said, I can't remember what the other references were, so I might be completely wrong. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Some details ==

It somewhere information about the Giovanni/Silver/Celebi event in HGSS?
And about the later appearance of champions and gym leaders in B2W2, specially about Sabrina joining the Pokewood industry and Giovanni wasn't arrested or something?
DPPt storyline wasn't supposed to be a bit earlier than HGSS because of Jasmine appearance in Sunnyshore City and later change of clothes?
Sorry for my english :)
--[[User:Virus bass|Virus bass]] ([[User talk:Virus bass|talk]]) 17:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
==Old man in Coumarine City==

During my Pokemon Y playthrough i talked to this old man in Coumarine City. He said something about seeing a "Pokemon Trainer with a great Ampharos" in Azure Bay when he was a young boy (possibly Jasmine?). Is this helpful in placing X and Y in the timeline?
[[User:JEFLIV|JEFLIV]] ([[User talk:JEFLIV|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:He probably talks about the man in Azure Bay who gives you an Ampharosite. And even if not, it would be speculation if it were Jasmine, and speculation on pages is not allowed. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

==Writer tweets timeline?==
The writer for the series has tweeted the official timeline for the series. Which mostly matches up with what you guys have here https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 X and Y seem to take place at the same time as B/W2 --[[User:Tuskin38|Tuskin38]] ([[User talk:Tuskin38|talk]]) 15:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

== X/Y Can Not Be Concurrent With B/W2. X/Y Take Place During The Same Year As R/S/E ==

X/Y can't take place at the same time as B/W2 as the Y Pokedex entry for Lunatone states that it "..was discovered at the site of a meteor strike 40 years ago. " The pokedex entry for Emerald also states that it was found 40 years ago. Therefore X/Y have to take place at the same time as R/S/E.

[[User:Senkara|Senkara]] ([[User talk:Senkara|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
: The dex entries are already known to contain contradictory or outright nonsensical information, so I don't think keeping them coherent is much of a priority for Gamefreak. Most likely thay's just an oversight.
: Besides, it's confirmed that XY take place after BW at least (mentions of something big having gone down in Unova a couple years before the games), and BW take place after RS (don't remember which games, but there's the former Aqua and Magma couple). So XY being concurrent with RS is impossible anyway. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 22:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
::No, it was recently stated that XY and B2W2 take place around the same time. As for the Pokedex, it means nothing. They're full of things that don't really make sense. (Slugma as hot as the sun.) And it's just a reused entry anyway. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

==Time Paradox Danger==
Well, I'm also excited for the upcoming games however there is a problem everyone ignores.
as RB(RG) comes with RSE, a remake for RB(RG) that takes time with RSE make sense indeed. and so on for remakes of GS and DPPt.
BUT, and here is a big but, RS already have a stated position in timeline, and if XY and RS will be able to trade with each other, we would yeild a time paradox.
The solutions that would remove this time paradox are as follows:
1. you will not be able to trade from XY to new RS, only through the bank.
2. it will be about 8-9 years after the events of the original RS, though if I'm not wrong it have been confrimed that aSoR would be remakes of RS with the same storyline and characters.
3. you will get an item or access to a place similar to GSC that will some sort of a time forward machine to be able to trade with XY.

if none of the above would happen, we will have a difficult to write the timeline properly.
sorry about my english, it's not my first language.
[[User:Shaked|Shaked]] ([[User talk:Shaked|talk]]) 15:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

== 3000 years prior... ==

In the actual article, there's a "3000 years before generation five" and a "3000 years before generation six". Whether or not the games happen at the same time (which B2/W2 do with X/Y) at the very most, there's only a decade separating the Kanto games from the Kalos games. So shouldn't both "3000 years" events be combined into one?--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 04:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== Spin-off games ==

When have the spin-offs ever been considered canon? Colosseum/XD and the Ranger games are mentioned repeatedly in this article, despite not being developed by GameFREAK and never being referenced in any of the main games whatsoever. The officially released timeline doesn't even include them, so throwing them in here makes about as much sense as including Snap or the TCG Gameboy game. This is almost as bad as the "trio master" page for being almost entirely fan fiction.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Origins

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== Consistency ==
Why are we using Blue's Japanese name on this page if every other character is using their English ones? Obviously there's been no word on an English localisation yet, but if his name is Green, then Brock should be Takeshi, Prof. Oak should be Okido, etc. It makes no sense to arbitrarily use Green if we're using the English for everything else.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 14:08, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
:We're calling him Green on the off-chance they don't call him Blue in the English version. This may be based off of the games, but who knows what the dubbers will do. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 15:14, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
::Green is used here because there is no telling whether TPCi will retain his Japanese name or it'll go with Blue. The official PMTO artwork shows both of the main characters wearing the respective-colored shirt, Green wearing a Green shirt and Red is wearing a red-colored one. Therefore, there is a ''slight'' possibility of TPCi keeping Green's original name. So, to be on the safe side, it should stay Green for now as an exception. When its dub version gets announced and his name does get changed, we can simply change it then. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 15:17, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure I agree with this reasoning at all. His official English name has always been Blue, even in the remakes when it would have been the prime opportunity to change it and have it match up with the Japanese versions, they opted to keep Blue. Even if the dubbers wanted to stick with Green, there's no way the higher ups would let them. It would be like renaming one of the actual Pokemon, they're just not going to do that.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 19:56, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
::::He's [[Green (Pocket Monsters)|called Green in the official translation of Pokémon Pocket Monsters]]. He could still end up being Green, as it is not necessarily the same character, so we are leaving the page at his Japanese name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:50, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::I was asked by someone to take part in this discussion and seeing how silly it was, I decided to do so. Come on, people. Green's US name is Blue. GET OVER IT. It has been the case since 1998, yet I still see the fans baaawwwing over this whenever they want. It's really getting annoying. No actually, it was annoying some ten years ago already. But let's pass to "The Origin". No dub has been announced for the episode, right? The character names for this special haven't been revealed so far, so it should be logical that we should use game names for these characters. Okido is Oak, Takeshi is Brock, Green is Blue. You say "don't assume that his name will be kept", while I say "don't assume that his name will be changed". And this is what this article currently does - because it says "Green" in his "English name" field. Why do we assume that his name will be changed? Because he wears a green jacket? Come on, this is no argument. I could even give a better anti-argument - he has a Blastoise, right? And Blastoise can represent Pokemon Blue, just as Red's Charizard represents Pokemon Red, aren't I right? So, naming him Blue isn't all that far-fetched and aside from the fandom's baaaawwing there's no real reason to use his Japanese name in the English version instead of his well-established and consistently used English name. His green jacket is no argument, nor is the English translation of Anakubo's Pocket Monsters, which was done by rather inconsistent Chuang Yi (the same translations used "Masaki" for Bill and "Matisse" for Lt. Surge). But okay, as a years-long member of this community, I'm well-acquaintanced with Bulbapedia's strict "no assumptions" policy and I can agree that there's always a one percent chance that his name would be changed. So, instead of assuming "Green" as his English name (as the article currently does), I propose '''blanking his English name field in the character table'''. To be honest, I would blank the English name fields for everyone. For all we know, they could even call the two Ash and Gary because why not. The fields will be refilled when the dub gets announced. A nice compromise, isn't it? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 19:35, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::"don't assume that his name will be changed" ≠ "there is a ''slight'' possibility of TPCi keeping Green's original name". [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 20:04, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I agree with Maxim — we don't even know if it'll be dubbed at all, so having the "English names" column is way too assumptive. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:07, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::Yes, there is a slight possibility of this. But what we do now is pure assumption. An assumption of something really unlikely. What I'm talking about is that the current solution isn't "neutral". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 20:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I'm fine with blanking the English name field, but the problem is that it isn't possible with this template. It just results in broken code. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::::So shouldn't it just be changed to Blue as that's his official English name? I'll agree there's a *possibility* it could be left as Green, but that's a complete assumption, which we should be avoiding on Wiki's, especially since there's no evidence to support it besides the colour of his jacket. If we're using English names everywhere else, use his too. Otherwise, remove them completely until we know of an English dub.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 09:57, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::It is not there because we are "assuming" that it will be his English name, it is there because we are using his Japanese name as a placeholder name since we don't have his official English name for this special. And I am okay with removing the dub column from the cast template, if it's possible to do so. I am not good at template coding, so I am not sure how to do it. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 10:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::Re:SnorlaxMonster: there's a very easy solution to that. Just put a question mark or an em dash or something. If it needs to be linked somewhere, link to [[Question marks]], which appears to be the closest thing we have to a "this information is unknown" placeholder page. Simple. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:38, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
(resetting indent) I would personally prefer to refer him as his Japanese name for now. At this time, we don't know if the series will be dubbed, and if it is, what their name choice will be. When it comes to manga stuff, I always prefer a confirmed official Japanese name over an unofficial, assumed or fandubbed name (see [[Thu-Fi-Zer]]), no matter how likely it would be used. Another example: in {{pkmn|Zensho}} we refer {{Zensho|Satoshi}} and {{Zensho|Shigeru}}, not Ash and Gary, even though we all know those are the Japanese name equivalents, since there is no official English version of that manga in any region. That's just my two cents and based on the manga view of things, though, ultimately it's not up to me as anime is far out of my area of expertise. ^^' If we had a way to blank out the English name field, though, that would be ideal if it's possible on a technical level. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:08, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
::This still just doesn't make any sense. Yes, they MIGHT go with the Japanese name, but it's still an assumption and one that people seem to be using because of personal preference over any sort of logic. If we assume they'll go with the Japanese name one character in the dub, it's just as fair to say that they'll use the Japanese name for ALL the characters in that case. Again, if we're using Brock and Lance instead of their Japanese names, there's no reason not to use Blue as well, unless we learn otherwise. There's no consistency here and the problem exists only because some people seem to insist on using a Japanese name for this character when it makes little sense to. His name is Blue, whether you prefer Green or not.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

== Mewtwo ==

Looks like it's set to appear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=049tntARnuM [[User:Hitmonchan107|Hitmonchan107]] ([[User talk:Hitmonchan107|talk]]) 20:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
:*That's a possibility. The more I watch see that video, the more I think that might be the case (looks like it is from the same anime/special), at least it ending with Red entering [[Cerulean Cave]] and facing Mewtwo. But, I'm guessing the admins are waiting for more footage seeing that is only one clip. IDK. We'll see what the admins think of that I guess. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 23:29, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::...The video outright shows that this is from the special. Yes, Mewtwo is appearing. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:30, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::*Well there you have it! LOL Thanks, Ataro. You guys gonna add it to the {{p|Mewtwo}} page or gonna play this out differently? Figured someone will probably ask this eventually. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 23:34, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

== Squirtle ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=049tntARnuM&t=15s Green]'s Squirtle. [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 10:05, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Origins

2013-09-09T09:57:42Z

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== Consistency ==
Why are we using Blue's Japanese name on this page if every other character is using their English ones? If his name is Green, then Brock should be Takeshi, Prof. Oak should be Okido, etc. It makes no sense to use Green if we're using the English for everything else.[[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 14:08, 6 September 2013 (UTC)