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Talk:Chatter (move)

2011-07-09T01:50:30Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Normal Cry Chance of Confusion */ new section

==Audio limitations==

I'm curious. Exactly how would audio limitations prevent this move from being Sketched? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 02:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:No idea. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 02:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe they can't copy the exact same noise. tc26 02:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

::I was thinking that the move itself would be Sketched, not its sound effect... But for some reason, Sketch won't work. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It could be that there is only one "slot" for the sound to be recorded on, and if Chatter was sketched from another user, it would erase over the data. Instead of trying to fix this when a pokemon learns chatter, they probably just disabled it instead.--[[User:Dragonite42|Dragonite42]] 05:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::That can't be it because more than on chatot can have different sounds.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 00:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

==Pokemon Battle Revolution==
How does this move work in PBR as it requires speaking into the DS Mic, something that can't be done on a Wii. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 21:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:Using the microphone isn't required. You can change the recording used for the attack ''outside of battle'', and only if you wish to do so. The Wii not having a microphone doesn't stop the attack from being usable.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::A bit old, but, since the volume changes the chance of confusing, what chance of confusing does Chatter have on PBR? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 23:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

== Just to clarify (regarding my removal of a piece of trivia) ==

The reason I removed the trivia piece about Chatter causing Chatot to be banned from the Global Union is because there's no reason to assume this. It's not like Nintendo could've been worried about foul language, because as the article already states, Chatter distorts anything you record with it. I was going to put this in the edit summary, but in the midst of correcting a typo, I accidentially hit "enter" and it submitted the edit. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 18:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
:However, Chatter is the only thing that makes Chatot unique. It's not like Nintendo would accidentally ban a Pokémon that can say bad words.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 19:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== Normal Cry Chance of Confusion ==

When Chatter is used with Chatot's normal cry, does this go by the medium volume? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of glitches in Generation I

2011-06-19T14:26:00Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Trapped in Solaceon Town */ new section

== Surfing outside [[Turnback Cave]] ==
I just thought that I'd point out that you can {{m|surf}} outside Turnback Cave with no music. What I did was I used {{m|Rock Climb}}, then immedietly got onto my [[List of key items in Generation IV#Bicycle|Bike]], then rode up to the water and press A (to surf). This all happened in a period of about 4 - 5 seconds, and I surfed around on the pond with no surfing music. It seems to only work the first time you try (I've done it twice), and this is for {{v2|Diamond}}. ~[[User:Takharii|Takhar]][[User talk:Takharii|eon]] 01:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:Hm... Maybe we should get another source... Anyone? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::I've heard of situation around [[Spring Path]] where riding the bike causes the music to stop, but I couldn't get it to work. Can you repeat it? If not, it might just be dust jamming the system or something. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I could make a video and YouTube it, if its neccesary, but yeah, it might be the game having trouble handling all the action, rather than a glitch. ~[[User:Takharii|Takhar]][[User talk:Takharii|eon]] 01:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, a video would be good, but all I wanted to know was if it could be repeated. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, what I meant was: I've had this happen to me on two separate occasions (different days). The glitch occurs, then I try to repeat it (get off the pond and repeat the steps taken) and it doesn't seem to work. So it only works sometimes. I'll try to make a video, anyway. ~[[User:Takharii|Takhar]][[User talk:Takharii|eon]] 02:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

== Glitch with supereffectiveness using a move normally not very effective ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IeGdpFRGtQ

As seen here, {{m|Discharge}} was used by {{p|Maggyo}} against a {{p|Denchura}}. Strangely, it was deemed supereffective by the game. Should this be added? - [[User:050294|050294]] 03:31, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:The video has been taken down, so it was likely a fake. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:01, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

==Kecleon glitch==
The following comments come from the talk page of the Kecleon glitch, which was merged into this page --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

===What===
What the heck is the {{p|Kecleon}} Glitch? [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 18:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:Also, the Kecleon Glitch article page should not be deleted because articles about glitches should always stay on there. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 18:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::The article tells you exactly what it is. Also, the article should be deleted and the content paced on [[list of minor glitches]]. The whole purpose of that page is to stop pages like this from being created. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Per SnorlaxMonster --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 14:14, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

===Cause===
Note: This is based somewhat on presumed data. I'm pretty sure the game does this though.

Couldn't the cause of this come from the Kecleon only aiming for whoever its item or attacked it? If the Pass Scarf causes it to attack the enemy, the chain reaction would then cause it to act as a team member, as Kecleon's data {{tt|causes it to be on the opposite side of the one it attacked|I think it does at least}}. Since the enemy is then defeated, Kecleon follows the team to the next floor, but doesn't go farther than this because the game would {{tt|only|presumably}} make it ''act'' like a team member, rather than being one. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:That seems right to me. That's basically how I thought it worked too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:That seems right to me too, but I've never tried this glitch before, so I don't know. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 23:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
::'Cause it's not a glitch. It's with all Pokémon that battle the player (barring {{a|Run Away}} when HP is low). [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 00:35, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
:::There's a difference. Those will still attack, not just follow the player. Not to mention that the Kecleon are faster than the team, and can easily be able to defeat it. Never activated it before either though. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:37, 11 September 2010
:It {{tt|may be a|Think of it, Kecleon acting weird and all}} glitch.---[[User:Pokemaniac2000|Pokemaniac2000]] 02:36, 29 September 2010(UTC)

===Discussion regarding potential deletion===
This article has been marked for deletion. I'm not really in a position to give my opinion here... it seems just as notable as plenty of other glitches we have/have had articles on, but at the same time, it is sort of walkthrough-ish. Personally, I think all glitches with the exception of a select few should be merged into one article for all the glitches in each game, with subsections for each glitch. That's just me, though. Discuss. The article will likely be deleted within the next week or two if no convinving arguments are presented. --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 19:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, that is kinda what [[list of minor glitches]] is for, and what is really wanted is that it remains there but doesn't get its own page. However, having specific glitch sections on the articles of the games themselves is a good idea. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::To me, this seems better suited to the list of glitches as opposed to just deleting it or giving it its own article. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I suppose it's decided then. Anyone want to volunteer to condense and move it? --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 19:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
::::[[List of minor glitches#Kecleon glitch|Did that a while ago]]. Since there seems to be consensus, I'll just redirect this page there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Similar to the cut glitch ==

Giovanni drops a Silph Scope at the Game Corner in Generation 1, and it's possible to appear on top of it. Looking back, I wonder if that's normal.

Also, certain Pokemon cries will sound glitchy every couple replays in Generation 1. Pikachu's cry sounds different every six plays, for example [[User:Zouje|Zouje]] 17:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
#So you can just walk on top of it without a collision? How do you appear on top of it?
#Can you link to a video of this please? I'm interested. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:#Basically if you fight him from the left hand side the Silph Scope item ball appears in that same spot but remains invisible because of the priority of the player's sprite until you walk away. You can also stand on a boulder in Gold/Silver via the same stand on a tree method from Red/Blue and jump from a ledge and land on a person in Vermilion City.
:#Interrupting certain sound effects can cause minor 'oddities' such as these (try playing Electabuzz's cry immediately after Jynx's for instance). There is a related 'music doubling trick' where a 'sound effect is playing' flag doesn't activate the first time but I haven't been able to replicate it. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 16:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Raimon Gym Trainer glitch ==

Could the glitch occur with Rich Boy Roland? Seeing as both him and Lady Colette are the only trainers are in the roller coaster cars, Roland could possibly be able to trigger this glitch. Also, can you still talk to Colette while she is on the track or does the game act like she is not there after the battle? {{unsigned|Super goku}} 21:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

== Grass next to stairs glitch ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTe-BTQbw-s

Should it be added to the list? If it does, can someone do? My english sucks. :/ [[User:Metang|•●'''MΣƬΛПG'''●•]] 21:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

== Marowak Ghost Glitch ==

Is there any proof that the Marowak Ghost-Pokedoll event is actually a glitch? Considering you can use a Pokedoll on pre-Scoped Ghastly to end battles, it doesn't seem likely that it is really a glitch. After all, the Marowak Ghost is still coded as a Pokemon, just an uncatch-able one. [[User:Scorponis|Scorponis]] 19:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:For me it is a glitch. First for bypassing a major event, second because it doesn't occur in Firered/Leafgreen versions. [[User:Metang|•●'''MΣƬΛПG'''●•]] 20:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Poké Radar ==

I noticed that when I have a chain of Pikachu on my Poké Radar in the Trophy Garden on my Pearl version, and I go into a spot on the edge of the grass, even if a Pikachu turns up from it, my chain ends. I am using a Max Repel to block all other Pokémon, and have a high enough level in my first slot for the Repel to work. Should this glitch be on here? [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 15:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:If you walk 7 or more steps to find a pokemon with radar the chain can break. Not a glitch. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 03:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== R/S/E Walk on water glitch ==

There is a glitch in R/S/E where if you press B at the right time while entering the Seafloor Cave, you'll be asked to resurface while you're over its entrance. If you choose to do so, the game will put you on a rock in the water (not technically a water tile), so you'll be on your feet and able to walk on the water. Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB4qqYYy7nc
I have tried it and I can verify that it works. Good for adding? [[User:Silverlucario|Frezgle]] 21:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:Yes. (Oh hi Frezparce, I think I've seen you before from HoO forums) --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 21:48, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I was there for a bit a while ago d: And, it's added. [[User:Silverlucario|Frezgle]] 00:33, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Potential additions ==

I'm passing on some of the things I've been looking at to you people.

* Mail Trick glitch: If an enemy Pokémon tricks away your Mail you still keep it (JPN Ruby/Sapphire)
* After 1792 Battle Tower fights in Platinum/HG/SS (possibly D/P too) the Tower resets, but Tower Tycoon Palmer starts appearing again, as a normal, 'wannabe trainer' (see Tower Tycoon event skip).
* <s>Pressing B to resurface from underwater entrances (see [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB4qqYYy7nc] (first uploaded here I believe: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqdLWm7rVf0]) + looked into a little here: [http://profglitch.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gcltempboard&action=display&thread=233&page=2] ) </s>
* <s>Selfdestruct/Explosion audio glitch: Winning via a sacrificial move in Generation I plays the victory theme even though you black out (fixed in Gen II)</s>
* <s>Substitute glitch: Using Selfdestruct/Explosion on a Substitute will break it but not faint the user, the picture of the user disappears (Gen I)</s>
* Breaking through Paralysis/Burn: Increasing or decreasing the appropriate stat breaks through the drop (e.g. Agility when Paralysed breaks through hindering effect of Paralysis) (Gen I)
* Its possible to combine moves like Reflect and Barrier/Light Screen and Amnesia to roll-over 1023 Defense/Special Defense and consequently end up which much lower defences due to the larger number modulo 1024. (Gen I)
* A few glitches from PRAMA initative, like this walking Pikachu one [http://www.prama-initiative.com/index.php?page=glitches-mineurs-rbj-8#Pikachu]
* If a user's regular Ditto transforms and the player switches the transformation away to a shiny Pokémon the transformation momentarily appears shiny. (G/S) (need to verify)
* A shiny Ditto transforming into another Shiny Pokémon makes the transformation a normal Pokémon until DPPt (need to verify)
* A miss from Rage reduces its accuracy the next turn to 0.4%
* Focus Energy in Gen I is completely broken. [http://hax.iimarck.us/files/rbymoveinfo.txt]
* Other Red/Green select bugs like 'fossil conversion' except dokokashira if they're notable.
* Other Gen I battle mechanics related glitches e.g. [http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/openpkmn/index.php?title=Differences_in_Mechanics#Move_Mechanics_of_Note]
* Ledge glitch needs expanding to apply to a Gentleman west of Lilycove and [http://profglitch.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gcltempboard&action=display&thread=265 a trainer in the Abandoned Ship]
* B/W AI oversight forcing trainer to send out fainted Pokémon (needs verifying) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPoQ6QRi3to]
* Pokémon Yellow critical save glitch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yXTpnUCh5Q]
* Pal Park ability change
* If you Pal Park a Pokémon with an accented name (from in-game trade from another localization) there's no support for the character when it reaches Gen IV (turns into a Japanese character instead) (thanks Blaziken257)
* Sketch glitch (G/S), Mimic glitch (JP D/P)
* A little problem where Shiny shadow Pokémon may change back to normal coloured Shadow Pokémon and vice versa (Colosseum) (needs verifying) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dM0UDD7c4]
* Disappearing over-world Pokémon (a derivative of Trainer-Fly/Mew-Trick when your Start Button is disabled (Red/Blue)
* Life Orb glitch (Pokémon Battle Revolution)
* Magic Coated Dark Void glitch (Pokémon Battle Revolution)
* Japanese D/P Ace Trainer oversight [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaNIKkRSYiQ]

* Also Smogon reported on Slow Start (JP D/P), Choiced U-Turn (D/P), Choiced Pursuit (JP D/P) + Hitting through Protect without Shadow Force (D/P) glitches here [http://www.smogon.com/ingame/misc/gen4_glitches#choiced_pursuit] though RE: Choiced U-Turn there have been reports of it not working outside of battle simulators.
* The rumour that there is a chance a Master Ball will fail in Generation I, any video verification?

--[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 22:37, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't have a video, but it says [[Poké Ball|here]] that any ball can miss in Gen. I. [[User:Pokabu82|Pokabu]][[user talk:Pokabu82|82]] 22:58, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

== Route 9 Biker Glitch (Gen V) ==

This is probably a glitch, but it might be something done on purpose for whatever reason. I've only noticed this on Route 9, where two bikers are riding back and forth, but when you hold down B, ''they'' speed up. I'm in the process of checking whether this applies to other moving trainers or just them. --[[User:JRBockus|JRBockus]] 06:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== False Thief Glitch ==

Is this actually a glitch? If kelcon calls a price, I don't think so. It's like if someone drops an apple core on your lawn, it's yours, right? But if you just pick it up, forget what I said. [[User:Focus58|Focus]][[User talk:Focus58|58]] 22:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:Well, it is, because you don't get a choice whether or not to buy it, you just pick it up. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:32, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

== Trapped in Solaceon Town ==

In Platinum version, I was trapped in Solaceon town for some odd reason. I just started from the last save, and as I was riding my bike up through Solaceon town, I hit an invisible barrier right where the border is to route 210. I rode back and then tried again to get to route 210, and it let me through. I noticed this glitch wasn't listed, so I wanted to know if this has happened to anybody else. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 14:26, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Time

2011-06-15T00:36:46Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Nighttime Music in Gen II */ new section

This may just be a problem with my used Crystal game I bought, but the time only passes while the game is on. My Silver version time is the same as real world time. Is it supposed to be like this in Crystal? If, so, it is probably worth mentioning
[[User:Mooresnakes|Mooresnakes]] 06:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)Mooresnakes

:It's perfectly normal. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 06:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::I'd imagine there's a problem with it, like the clock battery's dead or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I meant, its normal for your Crystal XD *slinks back into his hole* '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 06:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Ahhhhhh . . . Thanks [[User:Mooresnakes|Mooresnakes]] 17:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I get this problem on Gold, the time keeps changing. ([[User:GT4GTR|--●[[User:GT4GTR|'''GT4GTR''']] [[User talk:GT4GTR|''/ talk /'']]]] 01:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC))

== ??? ==

What in-game time is it when you staart playing [[platinum]]?
[[User:Pokenick]]
:The in-game time matches your DS' clock. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 10:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== Evolution times ==

Listings for evolutions use the terms "Day" and "Night" and link to this page, but those terms are used in a different context to the more common times of day this article deals with, leading to the incorrect information being given.

While there's a small mention of this with Eevee's evolutions (making it sound like the times given are specific to eevee), hidden in a rather irrelevant paragraph, the rest of the article is rather misleading when looking for an explantion of the terms.

Perhaps the evolutionary times should be put in their own section to make this clearer and less confusing? Would also be good then if the links for evolutions be updated to jump straight to that section. --[[User:Zeal|'''Zeal''']] [[User talk:Zeal|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Zeal|C]] 09:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Regarding times at which pokemon can be found in the wild ==

I've seen some pages relating to specific pokemon and they don't have information about what time they can be caught in the wild. Wouldn't that be useful? I didn't know where else to bring up this issue so yeah ^^. --[[User talk:Qwertyasdf|([[User talk:Qwertyasdf|(QQ)∞wertyasdf]] 10:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Daisy Oak in Gen. 3 ==

If there's no internal clock in FR/LG what determines when Daisy will next give a grooming? [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 05:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

:Never mind. It seems the game uses a step counter. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 19:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Changing DS Time ==

I remember hearing that in some games that use the DS's internal clock, changing the time on it will postpone all time based functions for 24 hours in the game. Is this also the case in Fourth generation pokémon games, or can one change the time with impunity? [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 10:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Nope, that's how it is. You can't change the time without consequences. Although I don't know if that applies if you use your game with a different DS with different time settings... --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Making a new setion for "Time specific events" ==

Would anyone object to me adding the contents of my [[User:Beligaronia/Sandbox|Sandbox]] into this article? This deals with events that occur at specific times but not on specific days and are therefore missed off the days of the week article. I would plan to add this to the bottom of the page below Generation IV. If you do object please elaborate (either to say the whole concept is pointless or that it needs to be improved before it could be added). Thanking you in advance for your comments.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 07:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I think you should. But it is incomplete; the first thing I noticed is that the officer thing is also in HG/SS. However a section like that would be quite helpful. [[User:Slrtbrtfst55|Slrtbrtfst55]] 21:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Clair ==

This page says Clair can be registered between 6am and 10pm, but the [[Pokégear]] page says 6am to 10pm. I'm changing this page on the assumption that the latter's more likely. If anyone can comfirm otherwise, feel free to change it and the other page. --[[User:Oatzy|Oatzy]] 20:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:Um.... what? You said the same times... is one of them supposed to be 6PM, instead of AM? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Oops. Yeah, the second was supposed to be both AM (6am to 10am).--[[User:Oatzy|Oatzy]] 22:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Displaying the current time in the article ==

It seems to me that the function that's supposed to display the current time and date (e.g. morning, Sunday) for the different generations in the last sentence of the beginning is broken. At the moment, I'm getting "In Generation II games set to UTC time, it is currently on Sunday, while in Generation IV games set to UTC time, it is currently on Sunday.", but I'm pretty sure that's not how it's supposed to work. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to fix it. -- [[User:Socob|Socob]] ( [[User_talk:Socob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Socob|Contribs]] ) 00:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing that out. I've made a fix. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::Does this clock change based on the user's preferences? I think it would be very helpful if it did. That way, you would always know the current time in your own game, because morning, day, and night, are not necessarily the same as the real world.[[User:Delspencerdeltorro|^_^]] 12:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::It's linked to the server default, unfortunately. You'll just have to check the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== Changing DS clock ==

I'm not sure if there is a policy against noting hacks / abuses / cheats, but here are some things which might be integrated into this article (Gen IV section):
* Daily events (swarms, Jubilife lottery, vocabulary at Snowpoint, massages (both), berry-giving NPCs (all), Sunyshore ribbon girl, seal store refresh) all reset if the DS clock is set to 23:59 and the hour rolls over while the game is on.
* Nocturnal pokemon can be found during any time of the (our time) day by changing the DS's clock to late (and vice versa)
**Same works for police officers
I have not found a way to manipulate the time for berry growth, though. I don't think they are triggered by the turn of a day. In fact I believe the berry plants die if the DS clock is reset too much.
-- [[User:Pokey|Pokey]] 10:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

If you begin a battle in the afternoon, close your DS lid then resume the battle in the evening, will throwing a Dusk Ball be effective? Basically, when throwing a Dusk Ball does it perform a time check directly from the DS's clock or does it rely on what the time was when the battle started?--[[User:Hasfusel|Hasfusel]] 14:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

* No, the game will not change time mid-battle. When you start a battle, the time is set then and there and won't change until the battle ends. Afterward the time sets itself to the current time of day. I have only done this in platinum but, it should work the same way for all five games. [[User:Professor|Prof. Sternberg]] 00:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== Gen IV Day-change Movie clip ==

I just noticed that the times shown on the Sinnoh Time-Of-Day movie clip are not consistent with the times stated above. In the clip one of the time lapses shows "8:00 am - 11:59 am" for one of the transitions. But in the segment under Generation II it says that Morning turns to day at 10:00 am. So either there is no transition between Morning and day or someone goofed. What do you guys think? [[User:Professor|Prof. Sternberg]] 00:42, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== Misty's Number ==

I think there's a mistake in the HG/SS phone number secion. It says that you can get Misty's number after capturing Suicune, but I got her number before I'd even ''seen'' Suicune. I don't think capturing it is required. [[User:Fadm tyler|Fadm tyler]] 14:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

You're right, and I changed it because I didn't have a pokemon that knew cut on route 42. I went back after 16 badges.[[User:ShoutingRyan|ShoutingRyan]] 16:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Nighttime Music in Gen II ==

Is it just me, or does the wild Pokémon battle music sound different at nighttime in the Gen II games? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 00:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Snowpoint Temple

2011-06-06T02:00:19Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* The other Snowpoint Temple */ new section

What happened to the table? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani480MS.gif]] 20:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:Probably added in wrong... Sigh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

== Wild Pokemon ==

Wait, is there no wild pokemon at all in here in platinum?[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:There probably are, but I'm assuming none of us have any info on it.--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::We lack info. Not enough people have Platinum who speak English, therefore, we don't know yet. If this is still an issue by June, I'll eat my hat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Im gonna hold you to that.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::Being that I'll have Platinum myself, I doubt it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Its on. If their is info, I shall eat my hat.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::::Is the hat like Yahtzee's? I like his hat... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Its a fedora[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

== Lv. 1 Regigigas in Platinum??? ==

Is that right or is it an error? I don't think it could be that low of a level. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Strange but it is. It's because of the [[Movie Regigigas|level]] [[TRU Regigigas|100]] ones given away. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 02:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::That makes no sense at all. How is a lvl 1 legendary possible??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 02:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Program it in, of course. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 02:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The programmers can make it any level they wish, even Magikarp. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 02:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Steelix Trivia Thing ==
Is it worth putting it in? You find them in Iron Island too.

== The other Snowpoint Temple ==

After trivia-adding is brought back, is it notable that Snowpoint temple is also the name of a temple in Legend of Zelda: Majora's mask? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 02:00, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

User:Fimbulwinter2012

2011-05-25T21:12:38Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Intro */

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Talk:Substitute (move)

2011-05-04T23:40:27Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Breaking the Substitute */ new section

should we get sprites for the decoy pokemon? '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 11:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I say so. Definitely--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 11:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! We need sprites of Substitute from all Generations from back and front. Is it possible? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

It is possible for that to be possible!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it? I can't even find sprites of the Substitute from Diamond/Pearl... It'd be cool if you could do it up with the template for the Pokémon Sprites. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 06:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It should be in the games' data... the question is... hrm. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::You mean this?
::'''Generation I and II:'''
::[[Image:SubstituteG12f.png]][[Image:SubstituteG12b.png]]
::'''Generation III:'''
::[[Image:SubstituteG3f.png]][[Image:SubstituteG3b.png]]
::'''Generation IV:'''
::[[Image:SubstituteG4f.png]][[Image:SubstituteG4b.png]] '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Holy shit, that's it in Gen I? In battle!? WHAT. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== With Kecleon ==

Well, since it has Color Change... when something hits it, does it change its type? I'd assume not... but... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:Not in Generation IV, haha too lazy to check III

== Outdated information ==

The information in this article is either wrong or from the first generation of Pokémon. Substitute, for instance, WILL protect against sleep moves such as Hypnosis, and a Pokémon using Explosion against a substitute WILL faint. This article needs a full revamp. --[[User:Kefkafreak|Kefkafreak]] 22:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== By breeding ==

This doesn't apply to the Substitute page itself, but to quite a number of Pokémon pages that list Substitute as an egg move. For example, see [[Furret (Pokémon)#By breeding]]. While Substitute can be bred, in Generation IV, this is simply because it is a TM. In Generation III, it was an egg move, and I suspect it has been carried over in many of the breeding move lists for Pokémon. I don't think it belongs in the primary 'by breeding' for Pokémon, though. In the Generation III breeding moves for sure, but not the Generation IV ones. Are there any reasons to keep Substitute in the breeding move lists on main Pokémon pages? — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 16:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:Because it's programmed that way into the game coding. Just because a move can be taught through a TM doesn't mean it can't be programmed into a breeding list. Another example is {{p|Remoraid}} and {{m|Thunder Wave}}, where Thunder Wave is still on Remoraid's breeding list despite Thunder Wave becoming [[TM73]] in [[Generation IV]] and Remoraid being compatible with said TM. If the game code says it, we list it. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

== '''''Two''''' moves named 'Substitute' in Japanese??? ==
Wha--??? Both {{m|Substitute}} and {{m|Switcheroo}} are called 'Substitute' in Japanese??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:If you'll notice the kanji, they're spelled different. It just translates the same. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::I went ahead and changed both translations, to avoid confusion.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks! --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 11:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Gen III ==

Al that know TMs can learn it, right? Or are there specifics that also can't? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:Beldum can't. That's all I noticed.[[User:Alec9|''alec'''9''''']] [[Special:Contributions/Alec9|*]] [[User talk:Alec9|-]] [[Gallade (Pokémon)|*]] 02:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:: -_- Beldum cannot learn TMs... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== how to get the TM ==

sorry about asking such a simple question, but where to you get the TM?
:As a general rule, for directions on where to find a TM, you should go to the page for that TM (it's actually a separate page from the page for the move itself, since some TMs change their moves between generations; that threw me off for a while also). If a move can be learned by TM, there will be a link to that TM's page in the article, and that will list locations for that TM in each game it's available in. (Also, on talk pages, sign your messages with four tilde's (~), and you'll get a nice little name tag/time stamp just like this.) [[User:HerbieHero|HerbieHero]] 03:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== BW ==

Substitute doll sprite from BW, anyone? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mr. Mime ==

Wouldn't it be fair to say that Substitute was the signature move of Mr. Mime in Generation 1 and 2? Considering it was the only pokemon to learn it apart from event? [[User:Buizel1991|Buizel1991]] 13:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Breaking the Substitute ==

I'm surprised this wasn't on the page, but is there some sort of system that decides how much damage a substitute can take before it breaks? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 23:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Poké Ball/Archive 1

2011-04-20T21:37:56Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Dream Ball */ new section

==Fast Ball==
Just wondering where Abra and Phanpy are coming from, as [http://pokefor.greenchu.de/meowth346/gbc/poke-balls/ Pokémon Forever states] "If the wild Pokémon is Magnemite, Grimer, Tangela, Mr.Mime, Eevee, Porygon, Dratini, or Dragonair, then Catch Rate = Catch Rate * 4.0. Please note that while these Pokémon have a greater chance to catch, not all of them can be found in the wild."
[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 09:53, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm curious, too. I see various sites that say things like "Pokemon who can run away, like Teddiursa, Tangela, or Raikou", but the game stores a list of Pokemon whom the ball works better on, and that's what I used on PokéFor. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 21:09, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

In that case, somebody remove the two offending, untrue Pogeys?

And Abra really shouldn't be on that list, as it uses Teleport; it doesn't actually run away... [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 21:45, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Teleport counts, though. The quick ball worked on Abra.[[User:Nintendofan146B|Nintendofan146B]] 20:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Should Anime-only Balls be included in this? I'm thinking of the Dark Balls and whatever it was that Sammy used from movie 4--BJG

There was the Dark Ball and the GS Ball. That's all there have been. I think they would make a useful addition, though. [[User:Fabu-Vinny|Fabu-Vinny]] 19:22, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

==TCG sections==
Shouldn't the page give hyper links to all of the Poké Balls featured in the cards? [[User:Mr. bell|Mr. Bell]] 08:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

== Hyper Ball in manga ==

Do you think it's worth mentioning in the "in the manga" section about the existance of the Hyper Ball? Ash attempts to use it in the EToP manga at the end of issue 4, and is apparently very expensive. [[User:Fsilone|Fsilone]] 02:48, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't the Hyper Ball just the Japanese name of the Ultra Ball? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:00, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
::...yeah. It is. And it's rather expensive, too... [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Happiness Balls ==

Shouldn't there be a note about the increased Happiness rating that Luxury Balls and Friend Balls produce on captured Pokemon? Or is that just a myth that has no bearing on the game data?
:This is a good question, how come it wasn't answered? [[User:Felinoel|Felinoel]] 21:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Main Picture ==

Is an SSBM trophy really appropriate for the main picture on this article? I think it should be a plain Pokéball without the trophy base at the bottom - [[User:MTC|MTC]]

I think it looks a lot better, just a sharper image if you know what I mean. And it doesn't matter the source, a Poké Ball is a Poké Ball. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 19:25, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think the Same as MTC. It could be the picture of a Poké ball that is in the first opening possibly. [[user:David aipom|David aipom]]

As long as the picture illustrates on how the ball looks like in the anime and games (which it does), the it is acceptable. - [[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 18:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== Team Rocket Balls... ==

I clearly remember seeing black balls thrown by the head of Team Rocket in "Mewtwo's Return" feature length episode. Now it's a bit sad since I juest returned the darn video to the rental store and check on this which I saw just moments ago! From my poor memeory I think they were just black pokeballs with the typicial Team Rocket red R instead of red dot.

They were used to capture the running pokemon (Meoth, Pikachu and the cloned pokemons), though Mewtwo used it's psychich powers to release them, making them somewhat uninteresting...

Actually, I think you're thinking of the PokéBalls being thrown by the Team Rocket grunts at the herd of Tauros that Mewtwo was lifting with Psychic.[[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 02:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

== Ball Images ==

The large images are nice, I admit, but perhaps using sprites would make the tables look neater and, by having ones for the Safari, Ultra and Master Balls, more complete? Given time, I could even make modifications of the sprites for the Generation II Balls. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 20:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

== Replacing Images ==

I don't think that the current images for Hoenn Balls and Poke and Great Ball are nice. I think they're ugly imitations of Sugimori Artwork. I have a Sugimori Artworks for almost all PokeBalls (the Johto ones are bad-qualited, though) and I think they're much better. I think we should replace the current images with the Sugimori's ones.
:I dunno, I don't think the current ones look bad at all - just big, given how much they stretch the rows of the table. And how bad quality are you talking for the Johto ones? Call me a sprite fanatic, but I think the third generation item sprites would look best in the tables. The second generation ones would be missing, but, as I said, I could make some custom ones. Also, I'm not particularly fond of the anime Pokéball image, since it's so heavily pixelated... --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 01:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
:Actually... now that I think of it, perhaps both of our concerns can be dealt with more easily than I thought. Hold on just a little bit... --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 18:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

== One big vs. many small ==
I've been talking with TTE. The idea of breaking some of the meat of this article up still bugs me on some level, but... well, might as well bring the idea to everyone.

The idea, basically, is to start having articles for groups of items as well as individual. This one, for example, would be moved to "Ball", and the lower section would link to the different articles on individual item types. If we do this for this one, we do it for all item groups...

Thoughts? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it'd be a good idea. After all, we have separate articles for every berry, why shouldn't we for Poké Balls and held items as well? Then, we could categorize them better, without having a gigantic page (which is what the page on [[held items]] is quickly becoming...).

:C'mon, anyone else? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

::Ooh, just had an idea. How about dividing the page into individual sections for each type of ball, going into detail about its catch rate, where it's able to be purchased, and so on? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 15:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Thats a GREAT idea. We could have another template for all the balls. --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad]] [[User talk:Usyflad10|10''']] 23:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

== Green Pokeball ==

I uploaded this image i took from the first pokemon episode, but i cant get the sizeing right...Someone should take a look and stick it in the Anime section --[[User:Britannia's Blade|Britannia's Blade]] 19:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
:Handled. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 19:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Dive Ball ==
What is the increase of efficiency for a dive ball when you are capturing a water/bug hybrid?
:That's the Net Ball that raises the multiplier for Water or Bug Pokémon. Dive Ball in Gen III works better on Pokémon underwater, and in Gen IV works better on Pokémon you encounter while Surfing. Anyway, I think it doesn't stack, but I dunno. If it doesn't stack, it's as listed, but if it does, it's 9x. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Does the Dive Ball really have an increased effect while Surfing in D/P? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 02:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
::I Belive it does. It's text says so. I don't know the rate though.

== Sir Aaron's Staff and the passage of time within the ball. ==

Should Sir Aaron's Staff be considered a pre-pokéball object as well? Also, should it be noted about how time passes for pokémon contained within pokéballs? There have been a few instances where pokémon have spent of years, centuries even, within a pokéball/pokéball like object and not aging or feeling any sort of passage of time.

I think so, it is a method of capturing a Pokémon. <big>[[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']] [[Image:Ani474MS.gif]][[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]</big> 16:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

This is my fist post (or edit, I'm new)
The passage of time seems to vary between pokéball and pokéball like objects, when in pokéballs, pokémon seem to be conscious (as trainers give commands before releasing them) but don't physically age, but in some other pokéball like object, time passes as if there sleeping while there in the object. amaster6000 11:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:There is obviously very little passage of time in Aaron's staff; long enough for Lucario to stew in his rage, but quick enough apparently for him to still be blind. Also remember that most of those centuries-old Pokémon are usually special specimens--often a Psychic-type or something like [[Lokoko]].--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 14:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Lv 2 wurmple breaks master ball ==

i know the copy is hacked, but how did this happen <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqw7bL2HK3E&feature=related>
its supposed that a master ball never breaks
:That's a Great Ball. Dur. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 19:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Gen IV Park Ball ==
Are the links to the Gen II games really necessary? I know that some people have been using it's resemblance to the GS Ball to support the idea of a Gen IV remake of Gold and Silver, but without an actual statement from Nintendo or Game Freak, should we really make it seem like such speculation is factual? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 13:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
== Hey, look what I found! ==
Hey, I was surfing through Youtube the other day, and look what I found! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAfAKDFPw0o There's a planet in the "Bouy Base Galaxy" in Super Mario Galaxy that looks like a Poké Ball! --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 00:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The videos been removed :( But i found a new link http://youtube.com/watch?v=MweOaEzAesw [[user:David aipom|David aipom]]

== Jelly Donuts? ==
Umm, in the anime section of the article, someone links to a Rice Ball as a Jelly Donut. I don't think it should be referred to as this, regardless of what 4Kids calls it. [[User:Shonen Jump Master|Shonen Jump Master]] 15:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Ball capsulses ==

Should we mention ball capsules in this article?[[User:Darkmaster0|Darkmaster]][[User talk:Darkmaster0|0]]15:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:Not really, they are not significant to the pokeball at all[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]
::What do you mean they have nothing to do with the Poké Ball? I think they should be mentioned somewhere in the article. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 22:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Same here, I think so too. With a (brief) list of the Seals, maybe? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{ani|281}} 22:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== "You missed the Pokémon!" ==

I'm not sure where to include this, but it was possible to see ^that message^ when throwing a Pokéball in Generation I. --'''''Posted by''''' [[User:Deadlymethane|'''''Deadly''''']][[User talk:Deadlymethane|'''''methane''''']] '''at''' 21:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:I remember... Stupid Safari Zone... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I took the liberty of adding it myself. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 13:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

== Heavy Ball? ==

It says that heavy ball is "+20 +30 -10"
What does that mean? +X to the catch rate? or what?
--[[User:MewUser|MewUser]] 17:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Heavy Ball added to the catch rate, So a +30 on a catch rate of 3 would make it catch rate 33. [[User:Gywall|Gywall]] 17:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
From the information given on the page, Snorlax would be the only Gen II pokemon to get the +30 and the +20 would rare as well e.g. Graveler is only 105Kg and HO-OH is only 199Kg [[User:Tzion|Tzion]] 22:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== the old ball ==

did you put in that old ball from pokemon 4 ever the movie. the picture is at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/90/Old_Poké_Ball_from_Pokémon_4Ever.png/180px-Old_Poké_Ball_from_Pokémon_4Ever.png {{unsigned|Talvin7111}}
 
We need a better quality picture than that, surely? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:The only image I could find was Wiipedia's: [[:Wikipedia:Image:Old Poké Ball from Pokémon 4Ever.png]]. Isn't there a better screenshot? → [[User:C Teng|C Teng]] [[User talk:C Teng|[talk]]] 13:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know how to replace an existing image so could someone do it for me? [http://img178.yfrog.com/gal.php?g=48637373.jpg Old Poké_Ball] I took these screenshots from the DVD at 16:9. Click on the image for their full size. [[User:Coololz352|Coololz352]] 00:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:::The image needs to be uploaded to the archives, then the image can be replaced. Preferably the image would be retaken as a png, rather than a jpg though, as they are better quality (although with the current image I'm sure it can be overlooked). To upload images, go to the archives (in the side bar) and log in with your Bulbapedia username and password, then upload the image, e.g. to ''Sammy's_Old_Poké_Ball.png'' or something similar. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Poké Ball Images ==

The larger images for the "Generation II Poké Balls" are not showing up. It is just showing the name of the images. Is this just me?--[[User:Mjr162006|Mjr162006]] 03:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Yeah, I'm new here.
:Never mind.I cant see them either[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]

::It looks like the images were either deleted, or never existed in the first place.--[[User:Mjr162006|Mjr162006]] 04:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:::They were there.I remember seeing them.......A MYSTERY![[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]

::::It is just a wild guess, but could this have anything to do with the recent upgrade to MediaWiki 1.13.0? Sometimes things can accidentally get lost when the wiki software is updated. I know that has happened more than once at Zelda Wiki.org (my main wiki).--[[User:Mjr162006|Mjr162006]] 04:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== Generation II ==

Generation II has no Poké Ball sprites?~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 17:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
*There were no pokéball sprites. [[User:Phocks|Phocks ~ Come dance with me!]] 09:15, 30 October 2008.

== Origin of the Concept? ==

"In the series, Ultraseven, when unable to fight (usually because his Ultra Eye has been stolen), Dan will often produce a small capsule that releases a giant-sized monster to fight in his place."

Now I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I believe the concept of "Keeping Pokémon inside Pokéballs" originated from Ultraseven. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 00:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:"Originate" seems to strong a word. Inspired by, possibly. Worth a mention on the page, maybe. State as fact a connection that's at best speculation, unless we hear that Satoshi Tajiri said something in an interview confirming that Ultraseven is where he got the concept...not such a good idea. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 01:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
::GASP! OR MAYBE ITS INSPIRED BY THE TALE OF GENIES! MYSTICAL BEINGS BEING KEPT IN CONTAINERS AND FORCED TO DO BATTLE WITH EACH OTHER.
:::Dont put that nonsense on the page. Their are so many other references its not worth it--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::Genies don't even battle. They grant wishes. Besides, that sounds ridiculous.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight_the_ampharos]] 21:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Exactly why he said don't put that stuff in there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== About the Master Ball... ==
Should we include the locations of the master balls from games? Or is that off-topic. And if yes, where shall we put it? --[[User:Metagross72|Metagross72]] 04:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:Thats a valid point, but no, that would seem like overkill[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I Think that this article should tell about the locations of the Poké Ball kinds, or at least where to buy them because I'm getting agravated from having to run all over Sinnoh just to buy a Dusk Ball. [[User:Dolphin2|Dolphins_are_awesome!]] 16:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:::No. We are an encyclopedia, not a strategy guide.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

::::I know! I'll make a page called Locations of Master Balls! I got this idea from [[Locations of TMs]]. I'll do that right now! --[[User:Metagross72|Metagross72]] 23:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::::: That'll get everyone getting Masterballs, But no, we don't need another article which is highly likely to get deleted in less then 0.11111111111111111111 seconds.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 00:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe Locations of limited availibilty Poké Balls? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|¿Nos hablamos?]] 00:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
::Such as? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Reviving something old here, but really. The Master Ball is an important part of the game, just because we list where you can obtain one doesn't make us a "strategy guide", in my opinion it makes us more like an encyclopedia as an encyclopedia tries to have '''all''' the information on something, including the locations of things. Making a new article is taking it a little too far, but if it hasn't been done already (and I skimmed through the article and it seems to not have been done) we should list the locations of the Master Balls. That and a lot of people are probably going to want to know where too find them. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 21:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::::I agree with that. In Kanto it was a gift from the Silph president, Johto I don't know because I never bought the games, Hoenn in the Aqua/Magma hideout in R/S and then Aqua hideout in E, and then Cyrus gives it to you in D/P/Pt. Unless that's only in Pt. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Elm gives you the Master Ball in GSC. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::And now someone just needs to figure out a neat (as in, tidy) was of adding the information onto the article... I recommend in a table/box kinda thing, I'd do it myself but I'm both busy, and I have no idea how too. xD Sorry I'm not much help. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 22:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::How about this?
{| {{bluetable2|c sortable}} align="center"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Generation
! Game(s)
! Location
! Requirements
! Notes
|-
| [[Generation I|I]]
| {{game|Green}}, {{2v|Red|Blue}}, {{game|Yellow}}
| [[Silph Co.]]
| Talk to the president after defeating [[Giovanni]].
|
|-
| [[Generation II|II]]
| {{3v|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
| [[Professor Elm]]'s laboratory
| Talk to Professor Elm after earning all eight badges.
|
|-
| [[Generation II|II]]
| {{3v|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
| [[Johto Radio Tower]]
| Match all 5 numbers in the [[Lucky Number Show]].
|
|-
| [[Generation III|III]]
| {{game|Ruby}}
| [[Magma Hideout]], [[Maxie]]'s office
| None
| Entrance is blocked off after battling {{p|Groudon}}.
|-
| [[Generation III|III]]
| {{game|Sapphire}}, {{game|Emerald}}
| [[Aqua Hideout]], [[Archie]]'s office
| None
| Entrance is blocked off after battling {{p|Kyogre}}. (Sapphire only)
|-
| [[Generation III|III]]
| {{3v|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}
| [[Lilycove Department Store]]
| Defeat your rival in front of the store, match all 5 numbers in the lottery.
|
|-
| [[Generation III|III]]
| {{g|Colosseum}}
| [[Agate Village]]
| Recieve incomplete email from [[Eagun]] in [[Realgam Tower]]
| Eagun's email is cut off before it can mention the Master Ball.
|-
| [[Generation III|III]]
| {{g|XD}}
| [[Pokémon HQ Lab]]
| Talk to [[Professor Krane]] before heading to [[Citadark Isle]]
|
|-
| [[Generation III|III]]
| {{2v|FireRed|LeafGreen}}
| [[Silph Co.]]
| Talk to the president after defeating [[Giovanni]]
|
|-
| [[Generation IV|IV]]
| {{3v|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}
| [[Galactic Veilstone Building]]
| Defeat [[Cyrus]]
|
|-
| [[Generation IV|IV]]
| {{3v|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}
| [[Jubilife TV]]
| Earn the {{badge|Coal}}, defeat the [[Galactic Grunt]]s near the northern exit of [[Jubilife City]], match all 5 numbers in the lottery.
|
|-

|}

Is this any good? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 23:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah I think that looks pretty good. :D Anyone have any objections? [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 23:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::If there are no objections, and I don't think there are any, I'll just go ahead and put this on the page now. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 00:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::It doesn't really look like it fits at its current place. Maybe would could make a page exclusive to masterballs as we could do some in the anime stuff and put this table there... we could also add screenshots of where the masterballs are found. Additionally the table isn't quite consistent as it says after battling Kyogre (Sapphire only) it should also say after battling Groudon (Ruby only). Otherwise, everything is great. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 00:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::The (Sapphire only) part is because Sapphire&Emerald have the Aqua hideout. It's only blocked in Sapphire, not Emerald. That's why it's there. As for the chart, if it could be made a bit smaller and collapsible, or at least smaller, then it would be a bit better. And if it can't be made smaller, then collapsible would probably be fine. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Making it collapsible is a better option than making a whole page dedicated too the Master Balls I guess. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 14:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:::::It's way better than a separate page, because then we'd have to make one for every single Poké Ball. The only real significance between it and the others is that it never fails, and there's only one per game unless you get extremely lucky at the lottery. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I mean, I'm actually neutral too the idea of a separate page for the Master Balls, as in my opinion there's kinda important, but meh. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 14:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Opponent's only keep Pokémon in Poké Balls? ==

"In the games, all opponents keep their Pokémon in Poké Balls. The reason for this is unknown."

Whoever put this up, what is this supposed to mean? If you mean they always keep them in Balls, then it's false, because there are countless trainers in-game that let their Pokémon wander around, and in Colosseum and XD you can even battle them, but they'll go back into their Ball pre-battle.

I interpreted as the type of Ball, since it's true all opponents keep them in Poké Balls, not Ultra Balls or whatever, but since there's contention, I think some real clarification would be nice. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 04:39, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:I sure of seen some other ball somewhere, but thats besides the point. I interpreted it as in the case of Ash's Pikachu, not being in the pokeball, but battling in the anime, while the jigglypuff in yellow version and a machop in gold couldnt battle, but you could see the walking around[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Then it's not true that all opponents keep their Pokémon in their Balls. Best example is the Shadow Lugia in XD, who was definitely not kept in a Ball.[[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 04:46, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Did an opponent use it? Was it ever "captured" in anyway?[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::Yes, Greevil clearly commanded it to attack and it did, not to mention you had to use a Snag Ball to catch it, not a regular Ball like the wild Pokémon. There are other examples in that game. In Phenac, a Peon is talking to his Absol before you battle him, and he uses the Absol in battle. In Agate Village, there is an old woman standing with a Mightyena and if you choose to battle her, she uses the Mightyena. Eagun also keeps his Pikachu out but still uses it to battle. [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 04:55, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:Non main game but ok. Im gonna go locate that trainer with the safari zone. Keep it the way you have it[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 04:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

:: You're all missing the point, I think that who first posted this was trying to say that when you battle another trainer they always send out their Pokémon in normal Poké Balls, you know, because I've never seen an in-game opponent sending out any Pokémon in a, say, Master Ball. However, why is this important, I mean, yeah it's true, but I don't think is something we should see in the article, or is it important? I may be wrong.--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorn Balls ==

There is what looks to be official images of the Apricorn Balls at this photobucket account [http://s280.photobucket.com/albums/kk200/sexton_06/Weapons/] as well as some better quality images of the Hoenn balls here [http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n226/Sckar_2006/Animes/Pokemon/Pokebolas/?start=0] There is also better quality images of the [http://media.photobucket.com/image/dusk%20ball/CL4M9/DuskBall.png?o=3] Dusk Ball, [http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc32/Marcos98/?action=view&current=heal.jpg] Heal Ball and [http://s265.photobucket.com/albums/ii239/CL4M9/?action=view&current=CherishBall.png] Cherish Ball. Just throwing them out there to see if you want to use them. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 13:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== Question about quick ball and timer ball ==

What classes as a turn? Is it every one of YOUR turns, or the total amount of turns in battle?
ie
You use false swipe,
Pokemon uses hyper beam,
Would this be counted by the game as 1 turn or 2? --[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:34, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:one turn.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:35, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dusk Ball ==

Dusk Ball is in effect while in a forest? I mean... do forests like Eterna activate the ''night'' effect of the Dusk Ball? Or is it in effect at night only? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Good question. I know it works everywhere at night and in caves 24/7... But in forests? That's a good question. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]].....[[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|IT IS TIME!]] 20:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== 3D Picture ==

Don't you think it would be better to have Ken Sugimori's artwork for the Poké Ball instead of that 3D Picture? It's not really official artwork and looks nothing like the balls in the anime! I think if we used Ken Sugimori's artwork it would give people more of a general idea of what Poké Balls actually look like. Just an idea! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 12:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have one? --☆'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 12:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Why don't you just use the Pokeball pic from the chart down the page. I believe that it's a Sugimori.--[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad10]] 01:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== Anime Pokeballs ==

Half the anime pokeballs are actully just customized pokeballs painted to look unique, namely the Lake Ball, Chansey ball, Green Pokeball and Rocket Ball. The game series also suggest that custom poke balls exist in this manner; when you deliver Oak's Parcel he states it's a custom ordered Poke Ball. By listeing these under the heading "Customized Pokeballs" we can save some space.--[[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 23:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Rich lady expensive custom ball ==

I remember a episode where a rich lady gets a custom ball from a jewelry store (like you would get a watch.) I can't remember if the woman had a snubull or if it was that female meowth that inspired TR Meowth to learn to talk. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

:Probably {{TP|Madame Muchmoney|Snubbull}}. It sounds about right. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::but why is there no mention of these novelty or should i say costume (like fake jewelry) balls? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 22:34, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

:::No, no no, Hunter Blade. It was Meowzee (spelling?) the Meowth whose Poké Ball had loads off jewelry on it. If my memory serves right. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 23:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

:::: I think I'm going just add something about the option of buying custom balls for pets. ^_^;; [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 23:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::::: Added. geez.... I'd Marry a Wobbufet or become a Mormon and marry Jessie and Jessiebelle before Meowzie's owner. Woman had me pulling a Fred G. Sanford.

::::: It seems that the basic outer appearance is the same, just the ball Meowzie's owner bought was diamond studded. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 00:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Brock, Ninetales and breaking the ball? ==

In the last part of the mechanics section it says Brock breaks his ball after releasing Ninetales ? that can't be right, his article says noting about a Ninetales being in his procession and i don't remember him having one or breaking a ball [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 00:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:[[EP232]]. Last paragraph of the synopsis. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:: It needs rewording, it makes it sound like brock was the one who broke the ball. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 01:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Green Poké Ball ==

Does Gold's Gold and Silver pic have one, just to mention?--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 23:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== TCG ==

Where's the link to the regular Poké Ball card? Nowhere. Off to link it.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 11:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, they really need to put the Pokémon card!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 02:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Timer Ball... ==

Does the Timer Ball increase in...
:a) turns after start
:b) turns after last Poké Ball (from start if none)
:c) turns after last Timer Ball (from start if none)

...? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's_Embodiment|contribs]])'' 18:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:After the start of the battle. You can alternatively think of this as 'since the wild Pokémon appeared'. This has been noted in the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== New Johto ball art ==

YAY

Okay so how soon can we get that in here? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== the heavy ball ==

So the heavy ball takes 30 away from the catch rate if the pokemon is under 100kg, what if a pokemon already has a catch rate lower than 30 and is under 100kg? ie the [[lake trio]] and [[cresselia]], would their catch rate be a negative value? Would it be even possible to catch them in a heavy ball? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 12:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:Well I managed to get Raikou in a heavy ball which, according to this page, would have meant Raikou had a catch rate of -17 because his weight is lower than 451.5 lbs (it's 392.4 lbs). So it either doesn't take any more off the catch rate when it's 3 or I got very very lucky. [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 00:50, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

== safari ball art ==

in the platinum guidebook, there is a picture of safarai ball. why is the picture of the safari ball here fanmade? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 09:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:Because no one's uploaded it. Feel free to tidy it up and upload it yourself. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS/DPPt? ==

Since the balls in HG and SS are not programmed into DP and Pt, will trading between the two games be possible if using an apricorn ball? I don't know how they'd make that work. [[User:Dexington|Dexington]] 19:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:No one does at this stage. There are plenty of speculations on the Bulbagarden Forums, if you'd like to discuss this further. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::Has this been explored any further yet?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 22:38, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Gen II balls become Poké Balls. They cannot be held. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::::What happens if they are traded back? Does stay a PokéBall, or does it change back to what they were caught in? This sort of thing should go in the page. (Or was it already?)[[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 02:56, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Are you sure? If I try to view a pokemon that was caught in a HGSS-only ball on my pearl cart (via the trade screen), it crashes. Any pokemon in HGSS-only balls also appear as bad eggs in PBR. --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] 11:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::HGSS Balls -> plain Poké Balls. Just tested it. I don't have PBR, so I can't test that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:47, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Hmm, odd... no idea what's causing the problem then. --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] 12:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Could be because of a hacking code gone wrong. If you didn't hack, it could be some sort of hardware glitch or someone else might have hacked it (if lent to somebody for some time or bought as a used game). [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Possibly trivia ==

I have noticed in the anime, NO one throws the ball with their left hand ever (Excluding throwing 2 or more balls at the same time) --[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 18:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== Other manga? ==

What are Pokeballs like in other manga? I know in D&P Adventures, they're similar to Special's view on Pokeballs. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Fast Ball ==

according to serebii the fast ball works on pokemon with a "high speed" in HGSS instead of pokemon that flee. The rest look the same as GSC. Does anyone know what/can find out what the threshold for the pokemon's speed is for it work. And is based on a pokemon's base stats, it's actual stats, or their nature? http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/apricorns.shtml [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Compé? ==

Why on the Earth is "Compe Ball" spell as "Compé"? That makes no sense. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
:And why is it called Compe or Compé anyway? It's Park Ball. Anyone who played GSC knows that. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thing is, that's how it was in GSC. They changed the name of the Park Ball in HGSS to the "Compe Ball" as to avoid confusion with the ball used in Pal Park. I don't see why we can't add some alt-text saying "Park Ball in Generation II", though... →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 16:25, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Good idea, Tina. I've done that. And if anyone else is really confused about the naming like I was (although it may seem obvious), it's the '''compe'''tition ball :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
: A Poké Ball for the Bug-Catching Compe-tition? --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 01:45, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== Master Ball locations section ==

Uh...shouldn't we use a new template for the '''List of Master Ball locations in the games''' section of this page?

Since, you know, it looks kinda bland compared to the rest of the lists, which use the new ones...thoughts about this? --[[User:InfinityByZero|InfinityByZero]] 23:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

==Master Ball Should Have Own Page==

Maybe it should have it's own page. Because it is way more important than a Poke Ball. Or maybe all the balls should have their own page, the exception being the Gen II balls, which should have a collective page. I could do this with some help. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Nah. The new item template will make it perfect. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== Three days ==

I should finish it tomorrow, though.　Major major major edit. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

== The Safari and Park Balls ==

So I'm a bit confused here. In every generation there have been Safari Balls or Park Balls, yet we only have three images for Safari/Park Balls and no mention of their different appearances. There should exist:
Gen. 1: Safari Balls (no sprites exist but should have official artwork);
Gen. 2: Park Balls (GSC);
Gen. 3: Safari Balls (for Emerald and FRLG);
Gen. 4: Park Balls (DPP)*, Safari Balls (DP&P)*, Compé Balls (HGSS)*, plus possibly HGSS Safari Balls. (*We have these.)
I'd personally like to see a note on the page mentioning that there have been several different forms for Safari Ball, with pics if possible. (I seem to remember that Gen. 1 Safari Balls were green with a black "S" on them and that Gen. 3 had spikey orange designs on lime green.)
Also, this might help when looking for refs... and inconsistencies: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Safari_ball_issues.jpg
[[User:Norle|Norle]]
:Um... we don't need Gen I ones, because it's stricly game sprites only. I have emerald, but need help getting screenshots. I COULD ALSO PROVE THE CELEBI GLITCH WITH SCREENSHOTS! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::Norle has some very good points. Unfortunently this is the Pokémon fandom, where good points are ignored and wild speculation is ripe. These variations on the Safari Balls sound interesting. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Lucian's Comments ==

Well I was playing my Pokemon Platinum game one day and I saw Lucian in the Canalave Library, which surprised me. He told me that Pokemon instinctively curl into a ball to recuperate and that is why they'll be caught by a Pokeball. Unfortunately, I don't have his exact words. This event happened on a Thursday between 5 and 6pm and I had already beaten the Elite Four once. I didn't see anything about what he said on the Pokeball page and I didn't know if anyone else here has gotten to talk to Lucian at the library. It was interesting information but I didn't know if that should be added to the page or not. {{unsigned|Kitty}}
:Lucian appears at the library after beating the E4. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

== Fiore ==

Someone should add the fact that there are no Poke Balls in Fiore. Maybe in Almia, too, but I don't know for sure whether Poke Balls are used there. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 15:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Moon Ball? ==
Does this ball give the multiplier for just Nidorina, Nidorino, Jigglypuff, Clefairy, and Skitty, or to everyone in their respective families? Also, does it even give the multiplier to Skitty?--[[User:Bulbafreak9000|Bulbafreak9000]] 04:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Skitty evolves with the Moon Stone, so yes. It's not available in the wild, though, so the only way to ''legitimately'' get that bonus is to have a Ditto transform into one. And personally I always wondered if it gave the multiplier to the whole family... Doubt it in Gen II, stuff was primitive then, but in IV, I'd imagine so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Premier Ball sell price ==
As far as I can tell, Premier Balls sell for 100, not 500. (Checked in my copies of Sapphire and Platinum.) [[User:Glass Coyote|Glass Coyote]] 00:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'll change it when it's unprotected. Or an admin might change it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== g template ==

We have a few of them floating around on this page. Colosseum and XD under [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9_Ball#Pok.C3.A9_Ball_accuracy here] and Snap under [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9_Ball#In_the_games here]. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:35, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

:''Those'' G's are supposed to be there. We don't frown upon that template's usage when it's used for the names of video games--in fact, that's the intended purpose of the template. It's the "lazy" usages, those that aren't names of video games, that we frown upon--simply put, anything that read stuff such as <nowiki>{{g|anime}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{g|Center}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{g|Sunday}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{g|Special}}</nowiki> (this was before the big to-Adventures move that happened early November 2009), and the like were bound to get relinked. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:45, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

::Oooh, ok. That makes sense, although I'm pretty sure this is the only page that has them still on it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:10, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::[[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:G|Not even close]]. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Well then search was being a butt yesterday. .___. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

==Pikachu==
'''Even Ash's Pikachu, the most prominent Pokémon in the anime which spends all its time outside with Ash, has a plain Poké Ball that differs from others only by the small yellow lightning bolt symbol on it, as seen in Pokémon - I Choose You!.'''

I don't think this is even relevant - and it isn't proven that that Poké Ball is the Poké Ball Ash carries around, since Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Gary's Blastoise left their Poké Balls (which had Japanese writing on them a few times I've seen it, although they may have retconned it because I think I also saw an episode without it) on that podium in Oak's Lab. Also Gary's Blastoise is now held in a regular Poké Ball as seen when he battles Ash at the end of the Master Quest series.

I hope we're allowed to put up YouTube links in talk pages, but just to show you, here is EP001 where in the shot of the glass case opening, it shows on the empty Poké Balls of Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle that there is writing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMNw7cPDYv8

Anyway, my point is that we shouldn't take it for face value that Ash uses that lightning-bolt marked Poké Ball, and also to ask if someone who is able can delete that comment in the beginning of the Anime section. Thank you! :D [[User:Lucadan|'''''Lucadan''''']] [[User talk:Lucadan|'''''(Talk)''''']] 21:23, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== New data from DFC ==

Apparently a user from the [http://www.dragonflycave.com/pokesite.aspx Cave of Dragonflies] hacked into the assembly data and decoded it (?? I don't know how that works, but whatever) and found that the actual [http://www.dragonflycave.com/capture.aspx catch rates] for some Balls (Dusk, Quick, Nest, Timer) are different to what the fandom has been parroting around. I've updated Dusk and Quick to match, but I've no idea how to fix the Nest and Timer catch rates. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 02:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

:Updated HG/SS Apricorn ball data has also been added there and I have edited the page to match; however, some sort of consensus must be reached on how to show the Nest and Timer Ball catch rates before they can be corrected, since they clearly can't be done the current way. --[[User:Dragonfree|Dragonfree]] 06:28, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

::The timer ball catch rates are correct according to the website, "int(number of turns passed in battle + 10) / 10, maximum 4", using this you get the same catch rates described in this article when you mess about with number of turns in battle. Bear in mind "int" takes off the stuff after the decimal point from the number. So for example after 27 turns the calculation is int(27+10)/10 = 3.7 - take the point .7 and you're left with 3 - Just as the article says, you can try with other amounts of turns and it doesn't contradict what the article says.
::The nest ball is a bit of a problem though, "int(40 - Pokémon's level) / 10", the article says for pokemon under 19 it's x3 - but (40-19)/10 = 2.1 - int(2.1) is 2... The article also says that between and 20 29 it's x2, but int((40-25)/10) =1 This would imply that when the level is 10 and under it's x3, between 11 and 20 x2, and 21 and over x1 [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 01:17, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::No; it can take on decimal values. Note that the division by 10 is not inside the parentheses. (...which means the int() is actually redundant since what's inside the parentheses is always an integer anyway; it was just a leftover from the old formulas and I just removed it.)

== Love Ball and non/neutral-gender pokemon? ==

so apparently [[Mew]] learns [[Attract]] at some level and it only works on other non-gender pokemon, would the same kind of thing apply where you have a non-gender pokemon out and use a love ball on another non-gender pokemon? --[[User:Shadofrak|Shadofrak]] 00:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:Mew can learn attract by TM45. It always fails. Now use the link templates. {{p|Mew}}, {{m|Attract}}. As for Love Balls, 1× catch rate. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::This trivia suggests otherwise, so one of us (as in Bulbapedia members) is wrong. "Mew is the only genderless Pokémon able to learn Attract and Captivate; however, when used by Mew, they will fail ''unless'' the opposing Pokémon is also genderless."

== Variants in Electric Tale/Dengeki Pikachu ==

Though the article claims that there are no ball variants in this series, two of then have been seen (one original to the series, and one based on the games) in the chapter when Ash/Satoshi fought the Haunter to avenge Sabrina who fell victim to it:

The first one shown is the giant Poké Ball intended to capture the giant Haunter, first suggested by Ash (along the lines of "It's a giant Pokémon, right? So we need a giant Poké Ball to capture it!"). In the same chapter, he attempted to capture the weakened Haunter using a Hyper (Ultra) Ball, only to lose it when the Haunter self-destructed before the ball hit it. [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 15:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Net Ball x6 on wild Surskit?==
Bringing up the topic of Net Ball, which works 3x on Water and Bug types, and Surskit fits such description... [[User:Dry Bones|DB]] 21:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:If anything, it would be x9, as it would be x1, then x3, and multiplying that again with 3, is x9. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::No. It only does x3. Like the Dusk Ball triggers its higher catch rate if used in a cave OR at night, the Net Ball triggers if used on a Bug type OR a Water type. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Green Poke Ball ==

In the first episode, in the tournament, a trainer sends out an Onix in a green Poke Ball. Should I add that? {{unsigned|LoadOfMentos}}
:I could've sworn that was already in the article... anyways, yeah, go for it. Add it to the "in the anime" section. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 15:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
::At one point in time I am sure it was already in there, it is my fav one. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 21:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gen II balls in Gen V? ==
Wait a minute... why is the only way to get gen II balls in gen V through hacking? Why not trading? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 21:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:Because 1. Pokemon can't hold items when transfered from Gen IV to Gen V, and 2. The Gen II balls can't be held, to prevent trading to DPP – [[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 22:34, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ah I see, k thanks, can't wait til April when I can get it [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 01:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake in the Trivia section ==

In the trivia section it says that in all other languages the names of the poké balls are always related to the term "ball", but it's not true: in italian, infact, even though the name of the item in the videogames is poké ball, they're also called "sfere poké" (poké spheres). This second name is so widespread that it is used even in the opening theme of the first season's anime. Since I'm not an expert in the site's guidelines, I didn't change the section because I'm not sure whether or not this can be added to the page. Can anybody who is a little bit more experienced than me do this correction, if it's a proper one??? --[[User:Melograno|Melograno]] 14:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:You are welcome to remove any information that is factually incorrect :) I've got this one. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 18:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::So is it that there are just two interchangeable names, or is there a distinction between the individual item and the group of items? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== Premier Ball ==

Just asking; is there really any point to the premier ball other than to remember an event of some sort? - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 21:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
:It looks different than a regular Poké Ball. That's it. Players can use it for whatever they want. For instance, on my HeartGold Version, I tried to catch all event Pokémon (for example, Sudowoodo and Shiny Gyarados) in Premier Balls. So the point of them is whatever you make of it. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:26, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, okay. Thanks! - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 10:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sport Ball ==

Click the show button on the Sport Ball section and you'll know what I mean. — [[File:Ani644MS.png]][[User:Zekasaur|Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur]][[File:Ani001MS.png]] 06:14, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:I see nothing? Could you elaborate? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 11:49, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, there is nothing wrong. Or is it your computer maybe? - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 22:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== BLUE pokeball ==

I've seen Ethan's Gold and Silver artwork and, surprise, he has a blue pokeball in his belt. Worth noting? --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 21:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
:You mean it is blue like the green ball or is it like one of the several blue pokeballs like the great ball? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 23:16, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
::I looked at the image in question, and it does indeed look like a regular Poké Ball, just with a blue top half instead of red. Great Balls have those red stripes on them. Might be worth adding, but I don't think I'll add it just yet, in case any admins happen to have differing opinions to mine. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I only used the great ball as an example? You should add it since the green ball from the first thirty seconds of the anime is added. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 23:57, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I found another! In the ruins of alph artwork, also from gen ii--[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 01:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Did you upload a picture or could you be a bit more specific? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 10:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Apricorn Balls ==

If you send a Pokémon to Black and White from Johto that's been caught in an Apricorn Ball, will the Ball show on the Pokémon's..."stat page" and when u send it out? or will it become a Normal Poké Ball?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
:I can't remember for the stats section but, it does retain its ball when a Pokémon is sent out for battle. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 08:30, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
::hallelujah--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 08:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

== Park Ball ==
Should we say something about the Park Ball's sprite [[File:Bag_Park_Ball_Sprite.png]] differing from its artwork ?--[[User:WenGobou|WenGobou]] 19:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Just found this on Poképedia- does it mean that the archives' sprite is of the wrong animation frame ?
http://www.pokepedia.fr/images/a/ad/Miniat_park_ball_dp.png
--[[User:WenGobou|WenGobou]] 21:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

:What are you talking about? Can you link to the differing image? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 22:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:Sprite trivia isn't allowed on bulbapedia anyway. You can ask an admin though. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

'Kay, I'll also make a little comparison: artwork(bottom-right Ball)[[File:Allballs2.png‎]];

Bulbapedia sprite:[[File:Bag_Park_Ball_Sprite.png]]; other Bulbapedia sprite:[[File:BallPalParkstatus.png‎]]; Poképédia sprite:http://www.pokepedia.fr/images/a/ad/Miniat_park_ball_dp.png.
So, can we upload Poképédia's sprite then ?
::Which one is correct? I think the sprite is the correct one though? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 23:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I have noticed that image. In fact, my HGSS guide (the official one) uses that sprite. It looks twisted, but none of those other images look right. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 19:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I believe the current one comes from data in HGSS. The small one is fanmade and that Poképédia one seems to have been taken from a screenshot of one being used. Also, I think the sprite trivia policy only applies to Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::To be honest, the Poképédia one looks fanmade as well. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

== Archive ==

Can we archive this page? It's getting really long, about 65 kilobytes. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 23:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:Ha, was just thinking this, yea what is the process done here with archiving? This page really needs it [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 23:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::Do you mean the talk page or the article? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 20:02, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:::By this page I am moderately sure Glisc meant the talk page [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:20, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== Generation III and IV ball locations in Unova ==

In the "Types of Poké Balls" section, there is data on the location of the Generation I balls and Generation V ball in Unova, but no data on the locations of Generation III and IV balls. I don't have the games yet, but I've seen videos showing they are available. Could someone add them? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 19:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:From what I have heard they are not available, but pokemon transferred from previous gens in those pokeballs stay in them which is possibly what you saw [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:20, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::I saw someone in a video ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=aEfpTPthbMw&annotation_id=annotation_944881 here]) use a Timer Ball. Also, in Castelia City, I'm not sure how (I didn't buy a Japanese copy), but Timer Balls and Quick Balls are certainly obtainable.
:::When linking a video that long and boring please tell us when what you are referencing happens... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 21:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
::::He uses one against Zekrom. Items can't be transferred, to Gen. V and I can see on here that there are Timer Balls and Quick Balls obtainable in [[Castelia City]] --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 17:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::So those two balls are available but not the rest is what you are saying? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:44, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::No. I'm almost certain that they brought back all of the Generation III and IV Poké Balls. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 19:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::I just noticed that there is a Dive Ball on the ground in [[Underground Waterway Opening]]. This proves that they are accessible but we need to know what Poké Marts they can be found at. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 19:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::All the balls except Apricorn Balls, Sport Balls, Park Balls and Safari Balls can be obtained. We just don't have the locations yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The Dive Balls can be bought in Undella Town in Gen. 5 ($1000) from the Poke Mart bottom clerk. {{unsigned|Legendseeker}}

== Generation II balls in Diamond Pearl and platinum ==

I looked every where for information about the Johto balls appearing in dpp, so I tested it and added this information under the pokeballs introduced in gen II

"They cannot be traded to Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum as they cannot be held by Pokémon. Also, if a Pokémon is caught in any of these balls and traded to Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum they will appear to be caught in a regular Pokéball. They will retain there original ball if traded back to Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver."

Can someone test and see if pokemon that were caught in johto balls on dpp can be migrated to gen V and retain there original ball?
(I hope Im doing this right, this is my first time trying to edit this page and the talk page.) [[User:Metafruit|metafruit]] 05:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Any pokeball 100% capture rate in Entree Forest ==

Can someone confirm that you can use any pokeball to capture Dream World pokemon. I've tried it a few times (SR) and my balls have not failed but I could have just gotten very lucky... It seems odd that they'd program the dream ball in yet allow you to use any pokeball, maybe it wasn't originally their intention to do it like this. The only advantage the dream ball gives you is that you don't have to buy extra balls to capture dream world pokemon [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 23:50, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:To answer your comment about why Dream Balls exist, I think the Dream Ball is for if you go into a battle with a dream Pokémon without any Poké Balls. But if you do have Poké Balls, then by all means use them. That's just my thought, and it seems logical enough. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 23:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dive Balls in Unova? ==

Exactly how do Dive Balls work in [[Generation V]]? The current description says "underwater", but the only diveable location in Unova is the [[Abyssal Ruins]], which contains no [[wild Pokémon]]. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 18:16, 15 April 2011 (UTC)''
:While the page says it only works underwater, that makes no since. My guess is that it works the same way as in [[Generation IV]]. Someone else might know more though. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 19:12, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

==Cherish Balls==
I was wondering, how can we know the cherish ball sells for 500 Pokedollers when you can't ever have it in any other way besides having an event Pokemon in it? You can't sell it with a Pokemon in it, and can't swap a Pokemon out into a different ball as far as I know... --[[User:Spongeenthusiast|Spongeenthusiast]] 15:05, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Most likely from examining the game code itself. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:25, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream Ball ==

I brought a Sunkern from the Dream World to the Entralink place, and I caught it with a Luxury Ball. I also noticed that it did not know Earth Power, like it was supposed to. Does the Dream Ball have anything to do with the moves that a Pokémon from the Dream World knows? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 21:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Sinnoh Route 209

2011-04-19T01:56:45Z

Fimbulwinter2012: Created page with "My friend just found a Duskull on this route during the nighttime, but this article says that it is only found in Platinum. He is currently playing Pearl, so could anyone try it ..."

My friend just found a Duskull on this route during the nighttime, but this article says that it is only found in Platinum. He is currently playing Pearl, so could anyone try it out on Diamond or Pearl and see if he's right? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:56, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Sinnoh Route 210

2011-04-19T01:55:15Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Duskull in Pearl? */

== Trainers ==
How much money do they give out? :S [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:done. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

::Also, a ton of the links in this article don't use link templates... right now I'm really tired and can't focus on stuff, so if someone could do that that'd be good.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

:::you the ic things? do they have those for trainers? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::After looking through some pages, doesn't look like we usually use the {{template|ic}} template on the pages. *pokes the always-awesome {{template|P}} template* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::: *cough cough*[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 03:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::im tellin ya, i got some losenges.. but im having trouble figuring out what you mean about the missing templates. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Psyduck Spotted ==
Uhhh...I just found Psyduck on this route, yet it's not listed on here. I found him with the PokeRadar. I think Psyduck may be rare here.[[User:MDupont|MDupont]] 08:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
: Me too - as well as Hoothoot, Noctowl and Bibarel. These were all in the top area of the route. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 19:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::My Pokédex guide does state that Psyduck, Hoothoot, Noctowl and Bibarel can all be found on Route 210, as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::: I've seen quite a few Machokes in the North part too, not sure about the south. - [[Image:Cloroxsig1.png]] <code>[[User talk:Legotim|'M]]</code> [[Image:Cloroxsig2.png]] ([[User:Legotim|ţś_łєğǿŧΐм]]) 03:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::::It looks like the person who did the inital chart only concentrated on regular Pokémon available in the South and ones available by radar/dongle. Tomorrow I'll rechart and update with northern Pokémon, just it's too late for me tonight. [[Image:Wiki.png]] [[User:Berrymaster|'''Berrymaster''']] [[Image:Liechi_tree.gif]] [[User_talk:Berrymaster|'''Talk''']] [[Image:Wiki.png]] 03:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::Recharting done; I don't have levels or catch rates for the Northern section though, if somebody wants to find them out. ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 16:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

==Bagon Frequency==
Can anyone confirm the frequency for bagon on this route? I don't think 22% is accurate. I have entered around 40 battles on the route using the pokeradar (and repel, in pearl) without encountering one. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Eriktheguy|Eriktheguy]] ([[User talk:Eriktheguy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eriktheguy|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It's called "bad luck". Also, did you chain the Pokemon? Did you get multiple numbers of Pokemon who were all the same species? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 08:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::The probability of failing a 22% chance 40 times is 0.78^40 = 0.005%, so I figured the number may be wrong. There were only a few short chains but I generally find pokeradar creatures with 20% frequencies much faster. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Eriktheguy|Eriktheguy]] ([[User talk:Eriktheguy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eriktheguy|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== Bagon Level ==

I met a Bagon at level 25 a few weeks ago. My [[User:Firestorm|brother]] met a Bagon at level 25 also. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 17:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noted and changed. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. *thumbs up* --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

== Miltank and Tauros frequency==
Shouldn't it be 11% instead of 6%? They would make 22% together. Or maybe there is another Pokémon with freq. of 10% ? [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 16:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
:Game data says otherwise. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::Marriland says otherwise :) : http://pokemon.marriland.com/platinum/pokedex/Miltank/ [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 11:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== PokeRadar Use ==
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that there's nothing in the initial pre-Psyduck area but super-tall grass, and there's no way to use PokeRadar in that grass. If this is all true, then isn't finding a Miltank or a Tauros here inherently impossible? Also, it seems in this generation, you can't cut the grass either. [[User:TCABF|TCABF]] 20:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yep, you're wrong. :P There is a patch of regular long grass just above the super-tall grass, where Miltank and Tauros (among other more boring Pokémon) can be found. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::Just above...? Ah, I see. It's still past the Psyduck area, but it is before the curve. I got it. Thanks! [[User:TCABF|TCABF]] 21:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Items? ==

Maybe someone state whether items are found in the nothern part or the southern part. You enter them at different stages in the game, so it gets confusing otherwise. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

: I totally agree. I haven't been able to find a few items for that (I play Platinum version). It says there's a Great Ball at Center of grassy patch left of honey tree, but doesn't say which honey tree; and I didn't find one left of either of the honey trees. I also couldn't find Burn Heal (hidden, one space north of ninja boy Bruce) in Platinum. Also, the article says there's a hidden Calcium in the area where you reach with rock climb, which I couldn't find. Instead, there's a zinc on the ledge left of the northern honey tree which is not mentioned in the article. We need confirmation on this. Thanks. [[User:Ishu-bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]]. 15th November, 2010

==Rapidash==
One of the battlers here has a lv 24 {{p|Rapidash}}. How is this possible? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 02:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden Shiny Stone ==

There is a shiny stone hidden in the northern part of the route. It is in the section that requires Rock Climb, to the left of the Grandma's house. I noticed that it is not mentioned anywhere, so I decided to say something about that.

:In Diamond and Pearl, there is a nugget where there is a Shiny Stone in Platinum. The article mentioned a nugget at that spot for platinum too. I have changed that. [[User:Ishu_bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]]. 15th november 2010

== TM 77 (Psych Up) ==

The article says that a boy on the ledge in Route 210 gives the TM. I think it is incorrect as a boy in Route 211 (East) gives TM77(Psych Up). If confirmed, please remove that from the list. [[User:Ishu_bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]]. 15 Nov 2010.

== Duskull in Pearl? ==

My friend just found a Duskull on this route during the nighttime, but this article says that it is only found in Platinum. He is currently playing Pearl, so could anyone try it out on Diamond or Pearl and see if he's right? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:52, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Apologies for my ignorance, on accident I posted this on the route 210 talk page when I mean route 209. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Sinnoh Route 210

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Talk:Pokémon Dream World

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==Pokémon==
Well, I don't have too much of a right to say anything, since I don't know of an official source, but doesn't this need to be updated with all the other Pokémon availiable?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:It is an online feature, and Game Freak can make whatever they want appear in the wild here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be noted that a scientist in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald who is trying to develop a device that visually reproduced the dreams of Pokémon? It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think it should, and I kind of remember it. Where was it? Was he the guy in the Devon building in Rustboro? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, he was one of them. I believe the one in the top center. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==
This page needs them. Weren't there some screenshots or something from magazines about this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Woucha' mind putting THESE on? ==

{{p|Swanna}} *

{{p|Purotoga}} *

{{p|Kojondo}} *

{{p|Landros}} *

{{p|Dragonite}} *

{{p|Metagross}} *

{{p|Garchomp}} *

{{p|Miruhog}} *

{{p|Baibanira}} *

{{p|Warubiaru}} *

More to come.

* <nowiki>*</nowiki> Means a Pokémon and those related to it having abilities in the Dream World.

* ^^ Means an ability commonly found in the Dream World.

Thanks.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 13:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

: I added these to the list, but I haven't added their abilities. --[[User:Eskay|Eskay]] 20:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Other Legendaries ==

Alright, Mewtwo has a Dream World ability, so why isn't it listed in the Dream World? And what about other Legendaries like Groudon, Rayquaza, and the like? Is this list simply incomplete?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 04:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
: Yes, please read the {{template|incomplete}} template. That's what it says.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 04:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== I would like to thank everyone ==

For your effort put into this job. Thanks!--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
* Especially to {{u|Akurochan}} and {{u|Chungkingpun}}.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Dream World insiders? ==

Now the Dream World is open to the public, shouldn't we start adding stuff we can do there? I already summarized the big picture on this [[n:Pokémon Dream World reopens|Bulbanews article I wrote]], but I'm not sure how to best add all of that to this article. I'll start adding more details once someone has some solution. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 15:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
== Evolution ==
For Pokémon with different Dream World abilities than their evolutions, does their ability change upon evolving? For instance, would an Eevee with Anticipation evolve into a Vaporeon with Hydration? Or would the Vaporeon just have Water Absorb, like a normal in-game Vaporeon? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
:Since this is still unanswered (a month later), I'll create a corollary to the question. It's been suggested that Daruma Mode Hihidaruma can't have evolved. But what ability does a Darumakka with Inner Focus (obtained via the Dream World) have upon evolution? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Inner Focus Darumakka evolves into Daruma Mode Hihidaruma. Pokémon with Dream World abilities evolve into their Dream World forms. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 14:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Is there any chance to rip ALL Pokemon pictures from the Dream World website? This is the only way we could get decent artworks of Gen V Pokemon so early on. Also, they'll be useful even after the Sugimori Artwork is revealed (we can put them to the gallery, they are kind of like Dream World "sprites"). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:157Typhlosion_Dream.png Yes]. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 20:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Separate ==

I suggest the abilities part be a separate page. This page needs to have info on the Dream World itself and not just the Pokémon's abilities it gives. Also, there are Pokémon the come with moves, not just abilities. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. I think we should also have a clear distinction between Dream World abilities and "natural" abilities. For example a "dream world only ability" tag, and having different tables in ability pages for pokemon that can have the ability naturally and those that only have it through the Dream World... I guess this is a good topic for the Main talk page, so I'll start a discussion there. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::I say we keep it all as one page. The abilities get one section, the moves get another section. Dream World abilities are already separated like that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That would mean a horribly long page full of tables and text all together. A mess. There are too much Pokémon. If they decide to expand this in a new game, it will get worse. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I say one page for the Dream World describing the features, areas, etc., and one page, maybe two, for abilities and moves. I don't think we can fit everything on this page, especially because of how many things one can do in the Dream World (not limited to catching Pokémon). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::That would be opposed to having several extra pages that are purely tables. We could have {{red link|List of Pokémon by Dream World ability}} if this page gets long, but it seems fine for now. As for the moves, there aren't many so they can have a section here, no need for their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

==Pokémon available==
Is it true that every Pokémon is available in the Dream World? I don't think the evolved forms are available.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 12:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon can be available, it's all up to whoever manages the Dream World to put Pokémon in. There are no set Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Latter Two Methods Disabled ==

Players may make neighbors by meeting other players online, after adding Friend Codes, meeting on the GTS, or befriending someone as the Dream Tree. '''However, the latter two methods depend on options which are currently disabled. Players may go to their neighbors' islands and water their berries or trade items.'''

So, will the latter two methods ever be undisabled or are the disabled forever for unexplained reasons?{{unsigned|Bellsprout}}
:As of yet it's hard to tell. I doubt they would've coded them originally with the intention of disabling them (though Faraway Island and the Hall of Origin do spring to mind...), and the tutorials even mention them. Having grayed out buttons also seems odd, if they were going to remove them completely they should've removed the buttons too. It seems they were only disabled along with the introduction of the hour limit from the news releases and help topics, so I'd assume when the hour limit is removed(if ever...) they'll be re-enabled. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Limit of 50 ==

Serebii talks about a limit wherein you can only receive 50 Pokémon from the Dream World ever. Others on the net say that that limit applies only to the number in the High Link forest (unless Serebii actually means the same thing, just bad wording). Can anyone here confirm what is true? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm... I had assumed it wouldn't be a hard limit of 50 as that seems an odd arbitrary number. Looking at the text I have though now I'm even more confused... I thought there was more detail about it, but this is all I can find in the Dream World tutorial, and I can't find anything about it in the game. I'll keep looking though.
:{{tt|This is the '''Friend Board'''.|kore wa '''nakayoshi board'''}}
:{{tt|Photographs of the Pokemon that were met and wished to '''become a friend''' at the '''Dream Island''', and those Pokemon whose wishes have been granted, appear on this '''Friend Board'''.|'''yumeshima''' de deatta Pokémon to "nakama ni naritai" to onegaisuru to kono '''nakayoshi board''' ni negai o kometa Pokémon no shashin ga harareru no}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon on the '''Friend Board''' will appear in the '''Hi Link''''s '''Forest Plaza'''.|'''nakayoshi board''' no Pokémon wa '''hilink''' no '''mori no hiroba''' ni arawaremasu}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon that appear in the '''Forest Plaza''' will surely become your friends.|'''mori no hiroba''' ni arawareta pokemon wa kitto anata no nakama ni nattekureru wa}}
:{{tt|That's right! If there are more than 50 photographs on the '''Friend Board''', you can't go to the '''Dream Island''', so be careful!|sōsō! '''nakayoshi board''' ni hatta shashin ga 50mai o koeru to '''yumeshima''' ni ikenakunaru kara chūi shite ne!}}
:Translation by me. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::The picture accompanying the second half of that help page displays the side of the friend board that shows Pokemon from Dream World waiting to be brought back to your game. I suspect it means that it can only store 50 Pokemon before you have to bring them back, but the other side (pokemon you ''have'' brought back) looks like it may only have room at the bottom between the arrows for 5 pages of Pokemon at 10 pictures per page, so I don't know. I've only brought back 25 anyway, so it'll be a while before I could say. --[[User:Emtu|Emtu]] 18:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== America ==

Will this be accessible in America?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:I believe I saw the website listed on the American boxart. So yes. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::Whew...that's a relief.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Dream locations ==

Are there set pokemon and Items that could randomly be found or is the pokemon and items appearing in a area totally random? And totally random means that say, moltres could appear in shining sea, or magikarp in the forest, etc. [[User:Catboy41|Catboy41]] 00:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:Never mind, silly question. But shouldn't there be separate pages for the dream locations?[[User:Catboy41|Thanks, Catboy41]] 21:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
::There should, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trainer tokens ==

I remember seeing the symbol used in the "fun zone" for trainer tokens somewhere in dream world related content I'm pretty sure I saw it on the GL site when it was up in jap and I was just blindly clicking anything to see if I could get a glimpse of what it would be like in English. is the currency use in the dream world the same currency? or is everything dream world related just shrouded in too much mystery and fog? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:If I read the article properly I see that I am an idiot although I'm still pretty sure I saw that symbol, never mind —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Eeveelution ==
How do you transfer the Eeveelution from the online Pokemon.com game from there? i have no idea. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:You wait for the distribution to launch (in Japan that was two months after the minigame did), then go to Promotions and activate it there. Then, the next time you wake up a Pokémon, it'll come too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream World abilities and breeding with Ditto ==

Read:

'''''Breeding''' '''mechanics''':

''Female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities can pass on the Hidden Ability to their offspring. Ditto count as male for this purpose.''

However, I have seen other sources that say that Dream World abilities will '''''not''''' be inherited by the offspring ''at all'' if the father involved is Ditto. Can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 11:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:This doesn't count as verification, but I just tried breeding my Cloud Nine female Lickitung with a Ditto and none of the 20 eggs I hatched came out with Cloud Nine. [[User:Hezekiah957|Hezekiah957]] 23:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

:Couldn't find anything relevant on the talk page for breeding, but out of 16 eggs with a Ditto and a Nidoran Female with Hustle, none of them hatched to have Hustle. Not impossible, but improbable. I have also not had it occur for any of my other Pokemon with Dream World abilities, out of 60-ish eggs total. I'd say this warrants further checking, but I'm inclined to think that they do not pass on through Ditto. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 06:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Manipulation? ==

can someone find out if you can manipulate game sync by changing the time? i don't think you can.
[[User:Pokemoninfo|Pokemoninfo]] 20:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokémon ==

Is it possible to catch a shiny Pokémon from the dream world? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 18:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page/Archive 11

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== Previous discussions ==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
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== Pokémon cries? ==
Should we add Pokémon cries to the Pokémon articles?--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's been tried before, but it caused too many problems. It would still probably cause too much problems now.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10#Pokémon Cries|This has been discussed to death already.]] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 20:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::We're going to try to get them put in as soon as possible. They've been sitting in a directory on the server for... jeez, at least a year. Last time we tried to put them in, the server exploded. Archaic's been wary of doing it since then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just out of curiosity, what file format was used for the cries? That may have been the problem.--[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] 20:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Over at de:, we have mp3 with the following syntax: <nowiki>{{#mp3:http://www.greenchu.de/nakigoe/025.mp3}}</nowiki>. I cannot figure out where that parser functions comes from, though.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 00:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I think having the files like [http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/#music Floatzel.net] have their music files could work well. We might even eventually be able to put route/town/cave music on the pages!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Oh would I ''love'' to do that. Too bad Nintendo would '''destroy''' us for doing so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:01, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Why has no one said anything about the roars of Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Zekrom in the anime? Cause it should at least in the trivia say that: Dialga uses King Ghidorah's roar. Palkia uses Boga's roar and some of Godzilla's and King Ghidorah's roars. Giratina uses Mothra's roar. And Zekrom uses Megaguirus's roar. I know that its not that important but it is fact so cant it be put in their trivia section on thier pages? Am i the only one that thinks that it should?

== Move Trivia ==

Should there be a trivia section for moves? For instance, only one Pokémon can learn [[Steel Wing]] by leveling up.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalkwriter]] 16:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:There are for some moves, but not all of them have any notable trivia to add, so there is no sub heading. If you think of '''notable''' trivia, then add the sub-heading and put it in. Thanks, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 21:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== Glitch Pokémon ==

Hi there. I remember when I was around nine, I used to play Pokémon Gold & Crystal, and I remember there was this cloning trick that could clone pokémon and the items that they held. Anyways, I began to notice if I did the right trick at a certain time, (or whatever it was, it has been a while) I managed to get a special type of Pokémon, the trainer. The trainer of course, had no moves and therefore could only struggle, but you could use TMs and everything. I remember having fun with that, but I can't find any info on this.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Bublador}} ([[User talk:Bublador|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bublador|contribs]]) ''

Try this page, all of the glitches are on [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Glitches#All_Generations]] and please sign your comment when you use these talk pages. thank you --[[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993]] 19:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pronunciation ==

I'm just thinking if on every Pokémon's page that we have their Pronunciation somewhere? like this:

Say: Sin-da-qwil

What do you think?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:It's a good idea, but I believe we've had problems with adding pronunciations in the past because of people not agreeing on the "correct" pronunciation (also, sometimes there are conflicting pronunciations from different official sources) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 07:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh oh then. I just though because some Pokémon I can't pronounce their names--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 07:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::If you have a look at the source of, say, Bulbasaur's page, you'll see this:
<pre>{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Bulbasaur |
pron=<sc>''bul''-buh-sore</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''.
Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=フシギダネ |
tmname=Fushigidane |
</pre>

the "pron=" parameter is not coded into the infobox, so it does appear. But it's there on every Pokemon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, it's coded in but because of the disagreements on pronunciation and no clear official source for many of them, it was decided to hide them all. If Nintendo or anyone ever releases an official pronunciation guide then we'll be able to put them back up. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Is whatever the pronunciation is in the English dub of the anime (and similarly the pronunciation in the Japanese dub for those not yet released over here) not enough to justify it? With the exception of the odd time where they've actually changed the pronunciation during it e.g. Regice... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 13:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Artwork?! ==

I hate to be the silly one who starts the "What's going on?!!" discussion, but seriously, why have all the pictures of the Generation I Pokémon been changed to the old Red and Green artwork? Is it for an aniversary or something? [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 10:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. Anniversary of RB was yesterday, so Gen I Pokémon got Gen I art. But due to the server cache it took some a while to switch over, and I believe they should all be starting to switch back now, but again, that'll be whenever the server cache gets updated. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 11:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, maybe it could be put on a switch, like with Gastrodon's forms, so it could switch between old and new artwork periodically. How's that sound? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::That's exactly what it did. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, so it's still in effect? As in, like, permanently? Because that was what I was suggesting. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, next year and on certain other days the site will have easter egg effects. Yaaaay for surprises. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::I won't panic when the Gym Leader pictures are replaced by fan art then... [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Is it the same currently with the Generation II Pokémon and their G/S artwork? [[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] 19:16, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yes. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== just a though... ==

i realise this is probably in the wrong place, but, as unlocking the generation IV nationaldex and requesting a trade on the GTS require only seeing a particular species of pokémon, would it make sense to include a section explaining where to see them. (and i am aware that the GTS has only around a week left). I know that people (granted they are few) have had problems viewing unown and riolu in DP for example.--[[User:Mr-connor|Mr-connor]] 13:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

:There is a section explaining where to see, and catch, Pokémon. It's right below the Pokédex Entries section.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 13:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

'''TYPHLOSION LV:50
KINDRA LV:50
ALAKAZAM LV:50
LUGIA LV:45
TYRANITAR LV:55
DRAGONITE LV:57'''

this is my current team for pokemon soulsilver...i think it has room for improvement.
[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)brandon strayhorn[[User:The a-team|The a-team]] 21:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:This isn't the place to put this. Post it on the forums.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Bulbagarden Archives ==

I have a problem that I keep sending the confirmation e-mail like every week but it doesn't show up. I'm saying it here because I haven't confirmed my e-mail on Archives. Someone please help me!!!!!!--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 10:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:Have you checked it isn't getting caught by the spam filter on your email? Maybe check that the email address is right too? <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 10:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Wardnae, I accidentally wrote the wrong email.--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 23:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
== Sizes on Pokémon pages.. ==

Something that's been bugging me for a while. I've been manually going around and resizing the main art boxes at the top of each Pokémon page so they all match each other and look uniform. However, many times box sizes will still be off by a few pixels. Would there be anyway to code something that keeps them all the same size? [http://i54.tinypic.com/28rcc53.png] is an example of what Ii'm talking about. Basically, the box that surrounds the art.~★ '''[[User:Cubic Question|''cubic'']][[User talk:Cubic Question|''QUESTION'']]''' 13:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:Even if you make the width a certain size, the length will be different according to the size of the art. To get it uniform, you would have to make every file have some whitespace so it would be the same size. That won't happen though. The boxes don't really need to be uniform in size. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Litsen... ==

First of all, I have a idea of a section in the pokemon's main page. Footprint. It'll be good. also, the Pronunciation topic above^^. We can take Right pronunciation from [http://pokemon.wikia.com/ Pokemon Wiki]. I know its cheating, but, Ill help us. --[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:The footprint is already in each Pokémon's infobox. And, we already discussed that the pronunciation caused conflict, and the Pokémon Wiki is far from a reliable source. So we probably won't be adding the pronunciation to each's Pokémon's page. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 11:08, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::By the way I think you were trying to say Listen not Litsen?--[[User:lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 11:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, Pronunciation is what admins can do when the wiki lets locked. also, wouldn't they need help adding 150 and more pokemon?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Pronunciation is conflicting. It isn't just hard work. For example, Bonsly was pronounced with an ē once, then with an ī in another time. One was in the movie, the other in the anime, I've just forgotten which. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh Really? We All Know That Charmander is pronounced ''Chaar-man-der''. Easy Enough?? Just search on google for pokemon pronunciation.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, no Google searching, thanks. The official sources (Official Handbooks, Anime, and Video Games) don't always agree on pronunciations of Pokémon names. Now, if the official sources all agree at one point, then we will add them. But until then, they're not going on the species pages. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 12:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Okay Then. Moving to the next topic. What About Something at the Top of The Pokemon pics To Change the Picture into other generation art or to a Different form?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 12:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Most form changing Pokémon have their forms rotated based on the current time (see {{p|Arceus}}, then refresh the page). As for different generations, the infoboxes are set to display it on certain days—for example, on the anniversary of Red and Blue the Pokémon pages displayed their Red and Blue artwork (for those that have it). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Doesn't look like the servers are being nice ==

No, I'm not geting 504s (or, if I am, FireFox is hiding them); I'm getting something even worse: pages not loading at all. A couple of days ago, I was going to come here to get a small amount of information, and it took ages to do so (so long in fact that I just got it O_O). I think the servers are being overstressed - despite the fact that I was getting good ping times off of 10 pings to the site's router (if there is one), I couldn't load any pages - not even robots.txt! That is just a simple text document, and it wouldn't even load! I would start the lockdown soon, as the closer to release we get, the more activity we are likely to get.

I consider myself lucky I could even get on right now. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 06:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:The fifth generation Pokemon are invading Bulbapedia and interfering with the system! I haven't actually noticed any problems yet though, which is strange. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Finally! ==

as i mentioned Form changing above, We can use A method for pokemon with 2 different forms like giratina and shellos

Method: All you guys saw Avatar, Everyone Saw. Now See The [http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com Avatar Wiki]'s Jake Sully Article. There is a button below the pic to change the Picture into Human/Avatar. We can use that Method.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 16:48, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:That's a really good idea actually, I think it would be better than the Pokemon's form just changing periodically. Perhaps now Bulbapedia is being upgraded for the fifth generation, it would be a convenient time for recoding the articles. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 20:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::I dunno. Shaymin is also two formes, and changes with time. Shellos and Giratina, by the way, are not random. It's based on the hours. And unfortunately, that just changes the infobox picture; there are '''''several''''' things that change for forme changers. Unless your Ground-type moves miss against Altered Forme Giratina. What's that? They don't? But you can only use Earthquake five times? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Wikimon has a more extensive one that allows you to toggle the whole box, for example in the [http://wikimon.net/Agumon Agumon article], click the tabs. It even integrates the table of contents into it. Pretty clever. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::see, only arceus has several things that needed to be changed. what about others?--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 07:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::What about Mebukijika and Genesect (yes, Genesect has other formes (I think five or six?)) [[User:Zekasaur|Zekasaur]] 10:53, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

:I also support the toggle idea. By the way, it has been mentioned in Arbok's Pokédex entries that it has at least six different patterns, of which two have appeared in official game art. Maybe it would be worthwhile to also toggle these two the same way? --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::I say we just stick with actual forme changes, and not include design differences between canons. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 14:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Metric tags in Pokédex entries ==
All pokedex entries use the imperial units of measurement from the US translation. I suggest adding tags with the metric counterparts for two reasons:

1 - the original Japanese entries use metric units, so it could be seen as "more canon".

2 - there are international users of Bulbapedia (me included) that are not used to imperial units.

For example, the final sentence in Magneton's entry in Yellow could be: ''It raises the temperature by {{tt|3.6F degrees|2°C}} within {{tt|3,300 feet|1 km}}.''

If the staff agrees, I'm willing to go through all Pokedex entries and add the metric values. I know enough Japanese to easily get the official values from the pokedex entries listed on the Japanese wiki, assuming those are correct.

--[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:Metric system seems like a pretty simple and straightforward thing to include, it's merely a big job to go through ''everything'' and add the metric equivalent. Perhaps starting small, with say the Pokémon infobox only for now, and work our way up (every infobox should list the Pokémon's height and weight, so it's the most prominent use of the imperial system). Pokédex entries are also pretty simple, but I'd also say they're the less important area to work on (no complaints if you want to fix them all yourself, however). --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 11:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

::Each Pokemon already have both their imperial and metric height and weight listed in their infobox, except for Generation 5, because their imperial values are not yet officially known. So pokedex entries are the most important area left to work on, as far as I can see. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

:::Unless someone else has a big complaint about it, I don't see why you can't go ahead and update those, in that case. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 14:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

::::I have done 101 out of 493 for now. I may have missed a few in scanning all those entries. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:59, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question? ==

The option to write in the discussion for the Pokemon Black and White Versions isn't there. Are we not aloud to write there? --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 21:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, but only if you're autoconfirmed, meaning you've been registered for a certain amount of time and have made a certain number of edits.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::OK thanks --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 22:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::What is the amount of time and important edits? [[User:Zekasaur|Zekasaur]] 10:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Artwork ==

This is something that's been on my mind for a while now, but I couldn't bring it up due to the lockdown. Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to possibly include 3D images of Pokémon and Pokémon moves, like what's done for anime? It could be done in a seperate section or sub-section of the articles. Oh, and I don't mean updating every time a new 3D game comes out; I mean adding images for each time a move or Pokémon has appeared in a 3D game, like images of Pidgeot from its appearances in Pokémon Stadium through Pokémon Battle Revolution. I don't know if this has been brought up before, but is this notion a good idea?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 00:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:Although i don't know much, but taking 3D Pics will be hard and i don't think its a very good idea.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 11:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't quite know how it's done, but you don't take 3D pics by using a camera or something. The quality of the 3D images here prove that.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 15:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Lylat Wiki ==

[http://starfoxwiki.org/Lylat_Wiki Lylat Wiki] is now a part of NIWA, Oct 8th and 15th two others will be added, so might wanna add that to your NIWA bar ;] [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 17:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Main page design ==

Does no one else think Tsutarja is missing?
We have Bulbasaur, Treecko, Chikorita and Turtwig pics on the main page, but no Tsutarja (or victini if you want the first pokémon in the dex) I can feel it's absence when I look at the page. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 19:55, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:main page uses animated minisprites. we dont have Gen V animated minisprites. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I can ''Make'' Them Animate. but it wont we official, and Archives are currently blocked.--[[User:Ash's Infernape|Ash's]] [[User_talk:Ash's Infernape|Infernape]] 20:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I see. That's a little worrying because they're not animated on my screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 17:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::What browser are you running? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::on chrome and IE they don't work, only firefox. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've heard that they also work on Opera. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Actually,there is a Tsutarja animated sprite Bulbagarden Archives, but there's no space for it. However, a Victini sprite has also been uploaded. [[User:Jlin8002|Jlin8002]] 00:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)Jlin8002

== Shiny Gen V Sprites ==

I would like to know where we are going to put the shiny sprites for the fifth generation Pokémon. I have the sprites (official). [[User:Zekasaur|Zekasaur]] 10:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:We have them, however we have yet to upload them. I guess I could do them today. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 11:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Translations ==

This is a big job, and would probably be a bad idea, but could we translate Bulbapedia into other languages? I know that we already have basic translations of Pokémon and Moves, but what about the rest of it?----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 18:08, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:May I direct your attention [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis|here]] ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:09, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== Clearer distinction between "natural" and Dream World abilities. ==

I think the distinction between pokémon that only have certain abilities through the Pokémon Dream World and those that don't can be made clearer. For example, on pages of separate abilities there is just one table with normal and PDW pokémon all mixed up, while it would be easier to make separate tables for both. I think this would help both users that own Pokémon Black or White and those that don't. Besides that we could also make a category for "Abilities exclusive to Pokémon Dream World", like {{a|Harvest}}. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 00:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:On the separate pages, they are specfically listed in a separate column that says "Dream World ability". That seems separate enough. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:24, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, but I think it would be easier if for example you are looking for a pokémon that has a certain ability, that you don't have to go through a list of which half of the pokémon are Dream World pokémon. Even for Dream World users like me pokémon in wild and in Dream World are two completely separate things. But yeah, it's not that necessary. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 09:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

== Grammar error ==

Being the Grammar Nazi I am, I have spotted an error I can't fix. I accidentally got logged out while editing a userpage, and I noticed there is a lack of space between sentences on the message that explains that new users cannot edit userpages. This is really bothering me, so could anyone with the power to edit the MediaWiki namespace fix it? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done, I think. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== Update on Message to the Editor ==

[[Template:Main Page/Message from the Editor|'''This''']] should be updated, no? I think people would like to know it's been unlocked [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 02:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
: Very true, its more that a month old [[User:Ruberduck0123|'''Ruber''']][[User talk:Ruberduck0123|'''duck''']][[Special:Contributions/Ruberduck0123|'''0123''']] 07:00, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::It doesn't matter if it's five months old, he edits it when they have an announcement to make, he doesn't have to update it once a month people!! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 13:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Bulbanews ==

I have a question : Can only staff members report news to bulbanews or can normal users also report --[[User:Vlade|Vlade]] 15:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Bulbanews is a different wiki altogether. Though they're both part of Bulbagarden, both Bulbapedia and Bulbanews have their own front pages. The information you're looking for is on Bulbanews's front page and if you have any other questions about it, it'd make sense to ask on that talk page rather than this one. [[n:Front page|here's a link, for convenience]] [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 20:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:What Kanjo said is correct, but to answer your question, anyone is allowed to report news to Bulbanews. After submission, an admin or columnist needs to move it out of the draft namespace and into the mainspace. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Zoroark's Name ==

I think the Ark in its name could be cause it can transform into lots of pokemon like an ark of pokemon and the reason i posted it here cause i cant post it on Zoroark's article . --[[User:Vlade|Vlade]] 16:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:First of all, if you can't post in an article, inquire in the article's talk page (i.e. [[Talk:Zoroark (Pokémon)]]), not Talk: Main Page. Secondly, that's a real stretch: that's not an actual definition of the word ark, it's just a vague metaphor. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 21:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Before you ask ==

Read the news. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:Is it for the Japanese anime writer? If so, I suppose Chimecho is more appropriate than Lugia, considering how the little windchime links to places like Mt. Pyre and Sendoff Spring. It can be in greyscale if desired. Besides, what is more favourable aesthetically is that one may include Chingling too, instead of Lugia all over the place. [[User:Rxhar|Rxhar]] 09:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

::It's Lugia because the man is credited with helping to create it. It was on the news post. [[User:Tamah|Tamah]] 23:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, it was more than a week by now, someone could remember me who edits the main page? --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 16:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

== What'd I do wrong here? ==

[[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Starck]]

... What happened? [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 12:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Just create a page with <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki>.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 13:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

==EV Listings==

I was just thinking of a very useful idea. On the pages for each route, cave, etc, where the wild Pokémon are listen, I was thinking we should add another column after each Pokémon and say "1 Speed," or "2 Attack," or something. That, paired with encounter and level rates would help a great deal in EV training for all different levels. {{unsigned|Igglybuff63}}
:Well, I admit, this would be useful to some people, but this is an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough. Honestly, I don't see why you can't go to the Pokémon's page and check. I'm not for it, but I'm not exactly saying NO. --[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 03:01, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::I agree completely, however, it would be a nice little touch on the page for convenience. I'm not one of them, but I know some people have incredibly slow computers, and I can easily imagine the frustration of those who have slow connections along with a desire to EV train. [[User:Igglybuff63|Igglybuff63]] 14:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm thinking no, but I do see a use in it. Perhaps {{bp|Project Walkthroughs}} would be a good place to ask. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:07, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Putting every possible bit of information is dumb. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:04, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::But that's not what we'd be doing now, is it? We wouldn't be putting their number, or Dex color, or Egg group, or anything like that, just the EV(s) they give. {{unsigned|Igglybuff63}}
::::::The number should already be there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::No, I'm talking about on the route pages. {{unsigned|Igglybuff63}}
::::::::Don't make me go on a rant about users and clicking links. If you plan to EV train, then just look up the Pokémon that give EVs in whatever. We're an encyclopedia, not an EV training guide. Do some of your own research, dude. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::This isn't at all a matter of laziness. Heck, I'd be willing to go around and do a ton of the work, assuming I could figure out how to code it (which I can't) It's just a nice touch of convenience for users, you know? I mean, I'm fine if we don't do it, it's just a suggestion, after all. [[User:Igglybuff63|Igglybuff63]] 04:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

== Redirection Pages ==

Do we really need those redirection pages with one Pokémon used by a character, the TCG link, and the Pokémon link? We already have the Pokémon used by a character and it's TCG links on the page. I understand the ones for like Pikachu, but ones like Mr. Mime and Gengar don't need to be there, do they? [[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 03:09, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:This is already being discussed on the forums, so please be patient. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 03:13, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::And how soon do we delete {{template|p}}, which I'm sure you all want. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:05, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

== What to do with Dream World artwork. ==

Currently we use some to replace the Sugimori artwork, but what to do when said artwork is avaiable?. Sincerely i thing it would be a waste to just leave the DW artwork floating alone. Do you agree? We should do something with it.
--[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 18:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC) Sorry, forgot signature
:It would be a waste. Also, how come we don't put up the old artwork on the Pokémon's page? It seems a waste not to include it on the page (especially when some trivia refers to it). [[User:Tesh|Teshigigas]] [[User_talk:Tesh|[Talk]]] 18:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::Old artwork '''''is''''' on the pages, they just change from time to time [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:::not really, Ataro. we are going to find a use for the images, but as of late weve had other things to focus on. rest assured, it will be showcased somewhere and in some way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
::::/me keeps reading the "In the Games" sections of pages (hint). [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 00:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Over at [http://www.zeldawiki.org/Main_Page Zelda wiki]they use a code of sorts that makes a picture change every time you refresh the page. It seemed to use a template called <nowiki>{{RandomLinkImage}}</nowiki> for [http://www.zeldawiki.org/Link this page]. I think I've seen simeler on userpages. It varied page to page. --[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 20:34, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe each Pokemon's page can feature a gallery of their art from all games. Just a random thought. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 21:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
::Eventually. There's always an issue with doing that though. And that is how many damned exceptions there are. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:13, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Um, doesn't each Pokémon page link to a gallery anyway? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:00, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Em, we could show the artwork in the pages for "special" cases, like ivysaur. Ivysaur has purple colored eyes in the anime and Dream World--[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 22:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Trading pre-Unova ==

Some pokemon such as [[Bulbasaur]] say that you have to "trade" to get the Pokémon when you actually have to get it through Pokéshift, Dream World, or both? When are we going to change this? —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 03:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:It will likely be changed as soon as someone enters that specific information into the tables. If I recall correctly, the template defaults to saying "trade" if no data is entered. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 04:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Preview ==
You know how it seems that everyone forgets to use the preview when they first come on? Well on NWiki, they have something that makes you show preview, and I was wondering if we could use that here. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:I actually find that incredibly annoying on NWiki. If you are going around making minor edits, such as relinking, it just gets in the way. I'm pretty sure there is an option here to turn it on in preferences if you like it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== File:Ani586WMS.png not displaying ==

Could someone work on this? The file [[a:File:Ani586WMS.png]] isn't showing up on the main page. I checked the Archives and found that the filename is correct, but somehow or another it isn't working. Thanks. '''chief[[User:Chiefboz|boz]]''' ''(my [[User talk:Chiefboz|talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/Chiefboz|contributions]])'' 15:44, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:There is nothing that can be done about this. It is just the archives not synchronizing with Bulbapedia. All we can do is wait for it to fix itself. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
::Hopefully before Christmas...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
:::It was actually displaying when MAGNEDETH added it. It fitted in nicely too... --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
::::It seems to be working now. '''chief[[User:Chiefboz|boz]]''' • [[User talk:Chiefboz|talk]] 17:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon SIENNA??? Why do we have NOTHING on this? See video ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQqH2HV7p10&feature=watch_response

I had no idea there was such a thing as a Sienna version of this!! Please, add the article: {{red link|Pokemon Sienna}}. Thanks! --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 13:27, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe on [[hack games]]. But it probably isn't notable enough. Take it up on the talk page there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
:You couls add it to {{red link|rom hacks}}{{unsigned|Ent3r}}
::No. That page does not and will not exist. The correct page is [[hack games]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:::On the record, we only add really famous hack games to the [[hack games]] article. I've never heard of this one personally, so it probably doesn't need to be mentioned. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

== "Pokemon Apokelypse" ==

Anyone seen this?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDX1m0Y2Vkg&feature=watch_response_rev

Looks like we don't have an article on it either. Why doesn't anyone create something about this? --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 13:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
:[[User:ShinyPikachu/Pokémon Apokélypse]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

There shouldn't be a page because its fan made. If it were a real Pokémon movie, then there should be a page. Although, I have to admit, it is pretty awesome and would make a cool movie for older Pokémon fans. [[User:Gryffindor1991|Gryffindor1991]] 23:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Project Fandom]] --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:: Just to point out, a heck of a lot of wikis hold pages on notable fan projects. I don't mean projects like "my mate Billy made a hack", but rather projects that caused controversy, were published or otherwise became noteworthy. I think Apokelypse caused enough of a stir, a long with a heck of a lot of controversy about Pokémon canon. One has to commend the whole publicity hoax where the creators staged a theatre viewing of it, too. But on the flip side, seeing as this wiki doesn't even have a page on James Turner, it'd be silly to add a page on something less notable. Meh. Candy for all. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

== Did you know section: "...the typing of the first Unova Gym Leader is depend''a''nt..." ==

Shouldn't that read "depend'''e'''nt"? The spelling that currently appears on the Main Page isn't really accepted in American or British English. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

== A search bar? ==

Has Bulbapedia ever considered having a bar that would be used similar to the Google toolbar? It could have a place to search for an article on Bulbapedia, maybe even have a link to the home page, recent changes, bulbawiki forum, the archives, etc. This would mean easy access to not just the wiki, but so that people with the toolbar could get to a specific pafe faster as well! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:You mean a Bulbapedia Toolbar for a browser? That's something to think about, I guess. Maybe a Firefox addon or something. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. That's what I meant. I'm not sure if it is even possible but if it was it would be very useful for viewing and editing Bulbapedia. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 03:34, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I would recommend bringing this up on the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 BulbaWiki forum]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I thought there already was a search bar on the bulbagarden main page?
::::Yeah there's one on the main page but it's not accurate like google--[[User:Pika3323|Pika3323]] 22:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Try [[Bulbapedia Search Bar Plugin]]. Anyone know how to program? '''chief[[User:Chiefboz|boz]]''' • [[User talk:Chiefboz|talk]] 04:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

== Countdown ==

Are we going to have a countdown for the NA release of Black and White? →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 01:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
:Why not. I think it's traditional to keep the Christmas garb up until January 5th, so we can change the colorscheme then. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:46, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well can we change the color scheme now?--[[User:Lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 11:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Yep. We do it all the time. If look in the hidden code of [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_Page&action=edit Template:Main Page], you can see all the alternate ones. Try previewing them on a different page (you won't be able to preview them on Template:Main Page because it is protected). So now that it's the sixth, I guess someone needs to change the colorscheme (I think trom wanted to change to the BW one). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

== Klink swap. ==

How in the world did everyone switch giaru with klink so FAST? If anyone thinks this is a funny comment I am a new user--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 01:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:Many users, and [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Giaru (Pokémon)]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::A. It was 3 whole days ago. B. Not many names were revealed. C. The names aren't linked in many places, so it is quick to change them. D. There are tons of people who are available 24/7 to change things as soon as possible. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 14:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::That would mean at LEAST one hundred users in each time zone! Just HOW many people do we have!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 18:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Read last sentence of [[Template:Forums_notice]]. Bulbabot is an <del>annoying</del> <code>awesome</code> bot that is a <del>tyrant</del> <code>friend</code> to everyone in <del>the world</del> <code>Bulbagarden</code>. However, it gets major things done quickly. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 20:20, 5 February 2011 (UTC) (And Bulbabot, if you even TOUCH this post, I will <del>kill you</del> <code>give you a cookie</code>.)
:::::Except that Bulbabot is not suitable for those kinds of edits. It can't select a portion of a string (i.e. it can't pick a "Giaru" out of the mittle of a template like "{{p|Giaru}}"). It was all done by human editors. And generally there are 50-100 pages that need changing, and with ctrl+F and copypaste a single user can easily do two or three a minute. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::What in the Nine Hells? Bulbabot can't do {{wp|regular expressions}}? Then what ''can'' it do? Is it written in Visual Basic? —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 04:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::TTE said that at one point. I don't remember where, or whether it was just that he didn't know how to set that himself. Bulbabot's programmer is Zhen Lin, who is currently away. As a result, Bulbabot can't currently be given new tasks. It will continue to perform the tasks it has been programmed to do. For the record, it is written in C#. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

== WHAT HAPPENED?!?! ==

WHAT HAPPENED TO BULBAPEDIA?!?!?!--[[User:Lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 04:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:Nevermind. It's all good now.--[[User:Lilkaykaygal|KayKay]]|[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|Chat to me!]] 04:49, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
...What did happen? --'''[[User:Flyingtypefan|~~☆Flyingtypefan☆~~]]''' '''''•[[User talk:Flyingtypefan|Talk]]•''''' '''''[[Delibird (Pokemon)|Holiday cheer]]•''''' 01:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== TCG Proposal ==

While looking at some cards from [[Undaunted]], I came across Hariyama. So I clicked it, and the hue was WAY too bright. Could we adopt a darker color for Fighting type pokemon? [[User:TheTheDragon14|TheTheDragon14]] 23:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)TheTheDragon14
:Specifically [[Hariyama (Undaunted 14)|this card]]? Yes, I agree. It is a bit bright. I suggest you take this to {{bp|Project TCG}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

== Log Out ==

I was changing my signature recently and nearly every time I pressed save I got logged out! What's happening? —[[User:Strongriver|強力な]][[User talk:Strongriver|河川]][[Special:Contributions/Strongriver|!]] 08:42, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
:I am being ignored. Someone help me! —[[User:Strongriver|強力な]][[User talk:Strongriver|河川]][[Special:Contributions/Strongriver|!]] 10:29, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
::I believe the server is having some problems at the moment. See [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=39109&page=18 here] for a little more information. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

== Animated G5 Sprites... ==

Would it be possible to put in the full, animated versions of the sprites from Generation 5? Generation 2 and 3 sprites are animated... I was also wondering if this would just be too much trouble or would overload the server. You can find the sprites [http://www.arkeis.com/animatedsprites.html/ here.] (good website, I think that they're all accurate. Whoever made it did an awesome job). Also, those sprites wouldn't have to be used, it's just the resource that I found. the files are .gif files... Thanks!!! [[User:Bapplesauce|Bapplesauce]] 02:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
:Some of the BW sprites are animated PNGs. We don't want to use GIFs for Generation IV and V sprites. You have to have Firefox in order to see the animation because some browsers don't support it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, that's right- I always used to find some other animated images on here that wouldn't animate... Okay. Well, if anyone finds another way... or can get more animated PNGs... thanks. [[User:Bapplesauce|Bapplesauce]] 03:40, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Just so you know, you don't have to have Firefox; Opera works as well. However, I think those are the only major browsers that support APNG (IE and Chrome don't, I don't know about Safari). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

==Redirect problem==
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:DoubleRedirects&limit=500&offset=0 O_O]. Uh, were these supposed to redirect to SmashWiki? Interwiki table prob? '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|--Havoc]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|48]]''''' 01:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:I saw that too! I was confused. →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 01:21, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yes the were. It comes with the NIWA affiliation. Unfortunately I'm not sure if there's a way to "fix" these redirects so that they don't appear on that page. It's not a problem though. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 01:25, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:::They do work perfectly fine, but they just fill up that special page. It is a problem with the MediaWiki software. And for the record, only some redirect to SmashWiki; Mario goes to Mario Wiki, Kirby goes to WiKirby etc. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

==Countdown==
Don't know if anyone agrees with me but shouldn't the countdown be changed to the date of the European release considering it's the first English release of B+W?

Edit - Sorry forgot to sign --[[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993]] 21:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, it should. And since it's been confirmed, it now does. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be the north american one.Wasent it that way with platinum?[[User:KylleyFab4Fan|KylleyFab4Fan]] 23:15, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
:The European date is the closest thing we have to the English release, I don't know what's wrong with that. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 23:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
::To clarify what Jello said, the date we use for the countdown is the ''first'' official ''English'' release date. For Platinum it was the North American date, as the North American date was before the European date. For Black and White the European date is first, so we are counting down to that date. If, by some chance, the next main series game(s) is/are released in Australia and New Zealand first (I wish), then we will count down to that date instead. There will be no preference for one English-speaking location over another. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:48, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Would putting up multiple countdowns overload the server?--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 18:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I don't think that's what Werdnae meant. I think he meant just changing the one countdown to reflect the first official English release date. --[[User:Daniel1993|だにえる - 千九百九十三 ]] 20:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Ah, I get it now.--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I was actually meaning changing the existing one (even if only once it had expired). However the same applies for multiple countdowns. The bigger issue (bigger than the server load) is that if we are going to have more than one countdown, we must then include a countdown for ''every'' English release, since we aren't being biased towards any one region. So we would probably end up with five or six, rather than two, and that would be too many. Not server-load too many, although it could prove problematic, but too many space-wise on the main page. If you wish to put your own countdown on your userpage, I remember seeing a template for it floating around in someone's userspace.

::::::The reason we are doing the first English release, rather than the American release, it that this is an Engligh-language site, rather than a specifically North American site. Although the servers are in the US, our webmaster, Archaic, lives in Australia. To make a special case for the North American release would appear as a great big insult to all our non-American users, since we've never done anything like that for the European release when it was second. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:27, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Not to mention the fact that this ''is'' the first time that the European release date is before the North American one.--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon of the Week ==

We most make a Pokemon of the Week column. Almost every site makes one.
I`m sorry i didn`t sign. --Other help is what i can do. 16:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:First of all, I'm not sure that we need one. We already have the Featured Article, or at least SHOULD have (I think the countdown is supressing it). Additionally, [[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]], make sure that your signature contains a link to your User page, like this: [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 02:25, 22 January 2011 (UTC) (it's part of the [[Bulbapedia:Signature_policy|policy]])
::just because other sites do something doesnt mean we should. i guess you could say our "Origin of Species" is similar to a PotW, only better. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Where Origin of Species gone anyway? I havent seen one since Septemberish. '''D[[User talk:Dark Lord|ark Lord]]''' 18:17, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The author of the column is currently on hiatus. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

== Save page error ==

I just don't get this. Every once in a while when I try to save an edit, the website says "This page is restricted to the following" even though I am a user--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:It's probably a session loss error, causing it to behave as if you were logged out. If clicking back and trying again doesn't fix it, then logging out and then back in again should. The tech people are aware of the problem, but haven't yet been able to find what's causing it so they can fix it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:27, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

::It's not a big problem for me. I just wanted to see if anyone else had this issue.--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

==Logging me out?!==
It keeps randomly logging me out! It's really annoying when, say, I've done an edit it won't let me save, but then sometimesI'm logged back in when I click on another page! What's going on? And before you ask, it's not my computer, it does it on the laptop as well. --[[User:Juzey|Juze]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|y]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 11:58, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:Sounds like a cookie problem to me. Also this isn't related to the Main Page, which is what this talk is for. It asks at the top for you to consider posting items unrelated to the Main Page, [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 on the forum]. You'd likely get a better response there anyway. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 12:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's either a cookie problem or a session loss problem. The second is an issue that has been going on for a while, but the tech guys haven't been able to figure out what's causing it in order to fix it. If it happens again, click back and try again. It should go through after a few attempts. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks, it's just really annoying! --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 13:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

==Did You Know Section==

This hasn't been updated in months, it's pretty dead at this point. Does anyone have any good trivial facts for it? [[User:Igglybuff63|Igglybuff63]] 13:36, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The trivia up at the moment seems alright to me, but maybe we could add more. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

== Idea for Pronunciations ==

Listen, I have an idea about the pronunciations: You can list ALL of the pronunciations, and say where they're from! Sound good? [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 01:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Nope, we had this done before. It was shortly removed afterwards as there was many conflicts from various sources on how to pronounce it. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 01:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::Erm... I think magikarp123193 means "list all of the conflicting pronunciations (anime, guides, etc.) for ''each species''," unless you're trying to say that there are just way, way too many different pronunciations for, say, Glalie. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 01:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I think it sounds like a good idea! --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 13:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Oh no, no damn way. I remember the last time that happened. Also, having all pronounciation is just tedious and stupid.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Why; what happened? [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 23:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I don't mean using sound clips; those are O-U-T OUT. [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 23:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Wait, hold on, I think this is a great idea. Pokémon Battle Revolution has all the Pokémon names through Gen. IV pronounced like they're supposed to be. PBR is a canon game made correctly by Nintendo, and 4Kids has has some inaccuracies in the past. I think if a conflict arises we should just consult PBR. [[User:Igglybuff63|Igglybuff63]] [[User talk:Igglybuff63|(Talk)]] 14:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

==Anonymous users==
I read somewhere about a discussion on whether anonymous users should be allowed to edit (I think), and I have an idea. How about just letting them edit talk pages? They might have something interesting to say. --[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 10:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think that if they have something important to say that they need to say desperately then they will make an account. There is too much room for vandalism amongst anonymous, unregulated users. I say it's a bad idea however it is approached.--[[User:Daniel1993|だにえる - 千九百九十三 ]] 20:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::I suppose you do have a point.--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 11:26, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== La-dee-FLIPPIN dah... ==
You DO know Nintendo Power posted the rest of the english names, don't you? And that Serebii is using them! Don't believe me? Check it out yourself on Serebii.net. I will expect you guys to use these names from now on! - (User:Oricalu|Ori'''cal'''u) {{unsigned|Oricalu}}

:Unfortunately, what you expect to happen is not something that will happen, as has been stated numerous times on the fifth generation Pokémon talk pages (Janovy rings a bell), it is not known where this list came from, and as a result is not a reliable source of information regardless of the correctness of the current information it contains. If the list did appear in Nintedo Power (which Serebii hasn't stated per your argument) I'd say the editorial board would then make another decision. Until such a time that the names are seen used in official sources (Nintendo themselves for example, which contained the most recent batch of English names) the pages won't be moved. As per what is the editorial boards decision. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 00:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::What issue do you or Serebii have that this list comes from? I have the February issue and it only lists the ones we have moved. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 04:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Every name on that list so far has been true. Just sayin! - [User:Oricalu|Ori''cal''u]{{unsigned|Oricalu}}
:Just because they have been right so far doesn't mean they are all right. We will wait for official conformation. Also, next time you post sign your post. --[[User:Daniel1993|だにえる - 千九百九十三 ]] 16:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Once again, all the names revealed today were the SAME FLIPPIN NAMES on Serebii! Every last one I knew! New names aren't that fun when you know them, so let's just use the new list! I'm tellin ya, Serebii and the rest of the world are right! - [[User:Oricalu|Ori'''cal'''u]]
:Yeah, I'm with this guy. How many names have to be revealed before you all realize that the list can't possibly be fake? And don't say "all of them", either. I mean, Serebii updated with the names, that should be good enough for anybody. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::Finally! Someone who agrees with me! - [[User:Oricalu|Ori'''cal'''u]]

At least update Meloetta's Form Names; Voice form is "Aria Form" and Step form is "Pirouette Form" - [[User:Oricalu|Ori'''cal'''u]] [[User:Oricalu|Oricalu]] 14:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Even though there is a list of all the names and it's been correct so far (and will probably be right about the other names), the remaining names on the list have not been confirmed officially by Nintendo, which means it's not officially canon yet. Remember, this is a wiki, not a fansite. Even though I don't think Serebii made a bad decision about trusting the list, but Serebii is not "official" and can take the risk of getting a few names wrong. - [[User:Togelover]]
:Just because Serebii says they are real does not mean we will put him. He is not and will not be an "official" source because the names have been confirmed so far. Unless we get some type of non-fan site confirmation, we will post them. Until then you can wait. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 23:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Another random bit of trivia about B/W ==

I saw the "Did You Know" thing about B/W getting a 40/40 in the magazine, and I also wanted to note that they got a 8.75 in Game Informer, which is the highest I'VE seen a Pokemon game get in that magazine. {{Unsigned|Tailzfoxy96}}
:However the significance of the 40/40 is that Famitsu (the magazine in question) very rarely gives perfect scores whereas this other rating is not a perfect score and no matter how high the score or how low previous scores have been it is still not trivia-worthy. --[[User:Daniel1993|だにえる - 千九百九十三 ]] 17:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Bots Bots Bots! ==

I know this isn't the place for this, but what is with all of the bots on Bulbapedia lately? Have we ever had it this badly? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
: They broke through the Capcha, we can't stop them now. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::Didn't you ask Jello the same question a few days ago? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:33, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Kinda, I asked how they got through the Captcha. Now, I'm asking why the new bot account rate seems to be increasing and if there is some sort of pattern i.e. everytime new games are released. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:31, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Well, duh. If a game is being released, then there is a great influx of readers. With the good comes the bad. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Okay, well it appears the spam bots have been creating a TON of ''weight loss'' articles. It's not like the bunches of speculation we've ''also'' been getting. Since the spambots have a common factor in their spam, then it's clear that they are all related somehow. Whether they are being created by a company or business is beyond me, but this is beginning to be a bit too much like a forum discussion, so we should just let the admins handle it and get back to editing the mainspace before getting into a big off-topic discussion. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::From reading a MediaWiki users' forum and asking operators of other wikis, it seems that someone has just written bot code and is in the process of sending the bots through a list of wikis he's found somewhere. We are not the only wiki being targeted with this kind of action. (And to be honest, I'm surprised the bots can land any edits, given the amount of session loss errors around... and please no one start complaining about that now; we know they exist and we're working on it.) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Game Synopsis? ==

I've scoured Bulbapedia and google for the synopsis of the Pokemon games but can't find them at all! Can anyone point me to them?
Eg, How each games unfolds and how they link into eachother (I know there's a lot to do with gen I in the gen II games)
Thanks! [[User:Dazzaclarke|Dazzaclarke]] 20:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:I believe the closest you can get to a synopsis of the story is rather each article's Plot section such as [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions#Plot|this]]. OR For a walk through the plot of each game you can look here: [[Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs/To-do list|Walkthroughs]]. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:50, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
::You could also try [[history of the Pokémon world]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Date ==

Um, today is not march 4th... [[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf 00:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:It is currently March 4th, UTC. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|Contributions)]]'' 00:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:: it is 7:42 PM, march 3rd.. [[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf 00:42, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Only if you are in the Eastern Standard Timezone. The timer on the main page is measuring in Greenwich Mean Time.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 00:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:::: Oh, thx! [[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf 00:47, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:::::Doesn't Black and White come out on the 6th? Why does it say it's out on the 4th? - [[User:Bpc908|Bpc908]] 00:56, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::::::Because it comes out in Europe on the 4th, which is today, a couple of days ahead of when it comes out in the US, which is the 6th. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイの騎士]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|デジタルテレビ]] 01:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== Let's count down to March 6 now! ==

Why not? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 02:19, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:Uh, what would be the point of that? It is only two days away, and the games are out in English now, since they are out in Europe. It just so happened with Gen V that Europe got the first English language games, instead of the US. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイの騎士]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|デジタルテレビ]] 02:51, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::[[#Countdown 2|This is why it's not going to happen]]. Full stop. End. Of. Story. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

==Small Idea==

Is it planned exactly what time the website would be lockdowned during game releases? If so maybe you could post a warning on the website banner around what time the website would be locked if possible so users making large edits won't lose all of their work? Just a idea. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:If you haven't figure it out by now, it's usually during the time of the release of a new game. It's usually locked down to reduce server stress. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 01:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
::Yes I realize that but the website was blocked on last friday or so it was fine at 2:30 but blocked at around 3:13 it's very hard to know when it's gonna lock down with no warning. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 02:02, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:::We don't have a schedule for when the site is locked. It's unfortunate, and we don't do it to inconvenience Bulbapedia editors. When the traffic to Bulbapedia spikes to such a rate which can trigger server outages, we close off editing. This vastly reduces the number of pages being loaded, therefore reducing server use levels. This may happen at any time, especially around new games (although we have had work done to our network of servers recently which should hopefully reduce this in future). I apologise, but there is no way we can give any kind of warning for locking the site. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Okay I just wanted to know if it was possible. I know all about the server stress and the chaos it takes to run the site around high traffic times. Thank you for anwsering. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 02:09, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Bulba-style templates ==

I see that you are updating many generic templates with a style that fits Bulbawikis better, such as the one for the contents list on many articles. Are you planning on doing the same for the image and category templates as well? [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 16:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Emerald animated sprites out of whack ==

Can somebody please explain why all of the animated sprites from Emerald version are playing really fast? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:They look normal to me. What browser are you using? —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 02:33, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
::I'm using Google Chrome. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 23:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

== Moves in Triple Battles ==

I know you have what positions moves target in Triple Battles but it's not entirely clear. I can't tell whether it means it will hit all 3 opponents or just the 2 non diagonal ones infront of you. If it could be more specific as in which Pokemon it will hit if you are in the centre and which Pokemon you will hit if you are at the side. Thanks. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 10:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:The diagrams should help, but unfortunately we are half-way through updating them. Most moves which say that they can hit any opponent can only hit adjacent opponents. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

== Moving Sprites for Black and White ==

I have seen how on this site and many others how the Crystal and Emerald sprites move on their list of sprites but ones on DPP and HGSS don't. I can understand because they only flash between 2 separate sprites but for Black and White the sprites are constantly in motion and I have seen moving images of them before on the internet so I don't think it will be a problem to add them to the pages. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 10:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:Most sprites from DPPtHGSSBW are animated. However, they are animated PNG files, so cannot be seen animated in all browsers. They cannot be seen in Internet Explorer or Google Chrome, while they can in Mozilla Firefox and Opera. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
::Correction: Most sprites from BW ''should'' be animated, but I don't think all of them have been uploaded yet. In particular, I believe we lack the animated sprites for a number of National Dex Pokémon. Unfortunately, it's a bit more complicated than just adding ones you find on the internet: For one, most of the ones you find elsewhere might be the wrong format, and we would also want to get them directly from the game in order to make sure they're completely accurate. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page/Archive 11

2011-04-13T01:49:02Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Emerald animated sprites out of whack */ new section

Talk:Tubeline Bridge

2011-04-12T01:10:24Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* "lead Pokémon" is a little vague */ new section

== Tubeline Bridge draws inspiration from the Forth Bridge. ==

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:48, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== "lead Pokémon" is a little vague ==

The original name of the gang was "The Black Empoleon". When the name is changed to the "lead Pokémon", does this mean your starter, or does this mean the first Pokémon in your party? Also, does a nickname affect this at all? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:AG043

2011-02-28T22:35:55Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Music */

== ''Thunder'' tackle ==

Pikachu uses thunder while charging at Bagon in the first battle after the moral boost. It looks like an early, slightly different version of Volt tackle. Pikachu does not change visible color and the lightning comes out of pikacu at a 90 degree angle rather than trailing behind. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|D558}} ([[User talk:D558|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/D558|contribs]]) ''

== Issue with Synopsis ==

The synopsis here is WAY too long. It's great that there's lots of details, but I think that it's too long to be a 'synopsis'. Will someone pick out the important details and summarize it in about 10 manageable paragraphs? [[User:Chum|Chum]] 04:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Errors (Bagon vs Pikachu type matchup) ==

In the errors section i think Max is wrongly corrected as electric attacks ''are'' in effective against Dragon types and so Bagon would have the advantage. ★ [[User:Rhadlow27|Rhadlow27]] 20:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I was just about to point that out as well, in term of moves, Pikachu ''did'' have the disadvantage. [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengarzilla]] 18:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Music ==

I just noticed that when Bagon is flying back with the jet-pack after Pikachu destroys Team Rocket's helicopter, the music is the same as from the [[M01|first movie]] when Dragonite is flying to deliver the letter to Ash. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Fimbulwinter2012}} ([[User talk:Fimbulwinter2012|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fimbulwinter2012|contribs]]) ''
::Trivia worthy, anyone? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:35, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

2011-02-28T22:34:34Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Basis of article */

==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc>[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]][[Image:SpriteOptimus35.PNG|This will put you off eating for life!]] 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line
About the time of each generation(like what he said:I-III--II-IV) is this because of the remakes of red and blue,
in Gen III and gold and silver, in Gen IV?. If it is, and if they will make a remake of ruby and sapphire in Gen V, then shouldn't it be I-III-V---II-IV? [[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] 15:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm assuming a combination of both.. Why? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
::The article says that it is based on the canon and the games, but it seems like a lot is from the movies. Aren't the movies part of the anime? And also there is a separate timeline for the anime. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Steven Stone

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did Pokenai give an age estimation for him? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 03:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

The image in the Character Infobox is faded. Can someone replace it? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:If people want, I can try to change the brightness and contrast balance to try to optimize the picture...it STILL looks faded... [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 03:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::That's not going to help that failure of an image, and please look at the dates on comments before you respond. The comment you replied to is over a year old, and the image has been altered since then. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Emerald dialog mistake ==

As mentioned in the trivia, Steven mistakenly says Sootopolis Space Center instead of Mossdeep Space Center. But is this from the Japanese version or did Nintendo of America screwed up? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Emerald Meteor Falls Battle ==

I hope someone answer this, when you battle with him, can you battle him another time. Like, I battle him twice?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 13:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you can only fight him once. I may be wrong, however. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 13:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== In Johto ==

Steven in Johto (HGSS) must be added.
He is giving away Torchic, Mudkip, Treecko to Hibiki/Kotone

--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 03:17, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:It's already there. Read the articles closely before posting, please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::I found him at [[Pewter Museum of Science]] but, I can't trade something with him. Where can I trade for [[Beldum]]? --[[User:Nechigawara|Nechigawara]]-[[User talk:Nechigawara|Talking]] 06:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You have to beat Red and get one of the Hoenn starters first, then you can trade with Steven.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 05:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks!! But, I found the how to before you reply and add it in the entry. Sorry for not respond when I founded it ^^". --[[User:Nechigawara|Nechigawara]]-[[User talk:Nechigawara|Talking]] 11:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Emerald Tag Battle ==

I'll be approaching this in my file soon, so let me ask ahead of time, would his Pokemon in Emerald's tag battle against Team Magma be alright to add? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 19:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:It's already there under the first battle. →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 19:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Oh sorry, didn't see it there. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 19:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
IIRC, it's the only tag battle where you can use items on your ''partner's'' Pokémon. [[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 20:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Is his ID Number random or is it always 61226? [[User:Circus ninja536|Circus ninja536]] 10:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

== Hoenn Starter in HGSS ==
I beat Red and caught Latias but he won't appear in Silph Co. :\ --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:I had the same problem, and I currently have the same problem with getting beldum. I've met all the requirements, and he's not appearing. I think there may be more to it than all those, mabye a certain time or day he's in there. [[User:S Ninja D|S Ninja D]] 20:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::I found the problem. I had rotom is the fridge form, when I stored the fridge and put it back in the PC, Steven, the receptionist, and guard were there. I'll add a note to this page and on the hoenn starters. [[User:S Ninja D|S Ninja D]] 00:53, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Did you have a full party? Because I don't think it's the Rotom causing it. Celebrating1 year'''''OF'''''... [[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|'''King''']] 01:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

to get him to appear to trade for beldum u have to find him at the pewter museum first after beating red[[User:Mulhollinman|Mulhollinman]] 00:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

== Add a quote from HGSS? ==
When you encounter Steven in HGSS, he mentoins that he couldn't have met you before, since all of the trainers that battle with him seem to look the same. Was wondering if this would be worthy of mentioning; it seemed interesting to me, at least, that he acknowledged the fact that all of us look the same in-game. [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 06:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Rather than anything meta-related, I think it's more evidence of his aloofness - this, along with at the end of the Enigma Crystal event when he reveals that ''he hasn't even bothered to learn your name''. However, this could just be me fanwanking over the tiniest bits of information about my favorite character, so I'll just put that out there and let other, less biased people be the judge. :V [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== NPC of Kanto? ==

In the tag listing the NPCs of Kanto and the Sevii Islands it includes Steven Stone. Shouldn't he be in NPCs of Hoenn? Because I'm sure he never appears in FRLG. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:Have played HGSS?--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 16:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, yeah, forgot about that. But they could make it a little bit clearer. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== HG/SS ==

Steven still considers himself the Champion in these games. So would Brendan/May have already beaten him (I guess suggested by what he says?) since Gen II should take place afterwards, and where would Wallace and Emerald be in all of this?{{unsigned|ZeroExalted}}

He could've easily beaten it again in these three years [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:26, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== May/Brendan theme instead of the Champion theme ==

Shouldn't it be put as trivia that when battled in Emerald , the May/Brendan theme is played instead of the Champion or the trainer theme ?? [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 17:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== HG/SS pokemon ==

Shouldn't it also be added that Steven has a Treecko, Torchic, and Mudkip in his party with Beldum? We know what the moves are, since they are all level 5. In addition, should Forretress be added too, but along with a note saying that the player has to trade it? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:32, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:History of the Pokémon world

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==Shaping this article==
I think this article needs to be redesigned... "history" is a bit of a general term - there are differences between the histories in different parts on the cannon (games, anime and different manga series have contradicted each other several times in the past). We need to make rules to decide what goes in and what doesn't...--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 12:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It may not even be possible to write such an article since there is not much historical information, not to mention a good part of it is legend. (Then again, in this world it seems legends are generally true.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 15:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think it's more accurate to say that the Pokemon that ''appear'' in legend are true. There's no solid evidence to say that the Sinnoh Myths aren't simply that: Myth. I feel that until Nintendo officially confirms that Arceus did in fact create the Universe, or any other legend, such as Regigigas moving the continents, we should treat them purely as myth and/or theory, and not include them with articles dealing with fact, such as this Timeline.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The timeline must have another sub article--[[User:Joshuamanimtim2|Snorlax]] 10:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Should the spinoff games (Colosseum, XD, Ranger, Snap...) fit in anywhere? There's not a lot of evidence linking those to the handheld games... is there any way to put them in? --[[User:Kayube|Kayube]] 04:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:I doubt it. There is no indication that any events in the non-handheld games are canon to the basic storyline, so there's no real point to including it here. On another note, it's my personal opinion that this needs to be moved to a different article, because there isn't much of the history that has been confirmed; most of it, as has been mentioned, is legend and theory. Regardless, I'm going to try to clean this up a bit and Wikify it some. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Pokemon Ranger games seem to actually reference events from the games (and also is the reason why {{p|Manaphy}} even exists in the main games.) If we aren't going to count the Ranger games are canon to the basic storyline, then we shouldn't count Manaphy as canon, either, since that's the only EVENT pokemon in the main series that debuted in a side game/spinoff game rather than in the main game series. Besides, since we can't transfer any prior gen pokemon onto the R/S/E/FR/LG game packs, Pokemon Colosseum is currently the only legit way to even ACQUIRE Celebi (though this is only in the Japanese version), and it (as well as it's sequel, Gale of darkness) is also the only OTHER legit way to acquire Ho-Oh and Lugia if you didn't get the Mystic tickets in the Emerald/FR/LG versions. now, for games like Mystery dungeon, yes, those SHOULDN'T be counted as canon in there, since that's an Alt universe. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::What should NOT be considered canon is all this fan-made BS about Pokemon populations decreasing, when the unobtainables came into being, how Doduo/Dodrio came to have multiple heads, etc. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think the "Contemporary History" should be moved to a new article called "Timeline of events in the games"? This article is supposed to be about how the Pokémon Universe developed, not what happened in it afterwards.

== Can anyone state where it was said that the S.S. Tidal was created in the 1990s? ==

I need to know because the article said it was created in that time period, and yet I don't really recall the games even stating that it was created in the 1990s (In fact, I don't even recall it even mentioning the date of when it was created at all).
:Don't forget to sign your comment with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. On to the subject i agree there is no mention of when it was built nor is there mention of its age and assume its age from the release date. So Any suggestions on what to do with it? [[User:Pterodactal|Pterodactal]] 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::I seem to recall the ship was under construction during the journey portion of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|R/S/]][[Pokémon Emerald|E]]. [[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 12:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I created it. Sorry. But we could leave it as it is. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

It should be sometime BEFORE Generation II and AFTER Generation I because Generation II states that STEEL is a NEWLY discovered type, and Generation III has steel types...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] <sc>'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]'''</sc> <sc>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥]</sc>[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]][[Image:SpriteOptimus35.PNG|This will put you off eating for life!]] 12:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Here's how the Generations go in chronological order (This isn't merely fanon, it is supported by evidence from the various canons.)

Generation I→Generation III→→→Generation II→Generation IV

→=short time in betweeen →→→=long time in between

[[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:: This really puzzles me - I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused by this: how exactly are Generations in that order? I don't even understand how Generations I and II could have their timelines connected with III and IV... Ie: what is the canonical proof for this? (not because I'd doubt it - rather I'd love to know it, please) [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 20:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think that Steel is newly DISCOVERED type. It's just newly classified type out of those we actually had (the Steel Pokémon could be identified as Rock Pokémon before). The text in game may be mistranslated, since American Pokémon media loves to give us a shit about "new" Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Moon Stone ==

What about "The Moon Stone"?
Of [[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]:

"Seymour theorizes this is because both '''the Pokémon came from outer space''', and '''the Moon Stone was their spacecraft''' - which means the Stone belongs to the Pokémon, and the humans must leave it alone."

[[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only in the animé. As far as I know, the whole "Pokémon came from outer-space" thing was never mentioned in any game.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Except for MAYBE Deoxys and the Clefairy family

~~Weedle McHairybug~~

How about Jirachi? Comet=Outer Space --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing him out, Theryguy512.
~~Weedle McHairybug~~

IIRC there is an NPC in the Space Center that mentions the theory in Generation III. I believe I've also seen this mentioned in other games, though I may be mistaken. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 15:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:Lunatone and Solrock appearantly came from outer space as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Where did the bird trio go? Sinnoh. ==

Look at this, the legendary bird trio ( Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres ) is revealed to roam Sinnoh in Pokémon Platnum. These three, are missing in the GSC games (they can't be found in Kanto). So, they might have flown to Sinnoh. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe if someone actually says that in-game. Otherwise, it's speculation.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No one says that those are the same birds though. The Frontier brains afterall have legendary birds aswell.
Forgot to sign name--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 23:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the anime as well, it's shown that there are multiple versions of legendaries (even in the same frame, a mother and baby Lugia come to mind). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 23:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Clean-Up, Please?==

Going through this article, all I see is fan speculation and unusual conclusions. I for one would like to see some evidence of these claims, as many of them see totally made-up. For example: What connection to Kyogre and Manaphy have? And "herds" of Latios and Latias? As far as I remember, it's one for each player. I wouldn't say there were "herds" of Mewtwo, would you?
[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 03:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the "Herds" of Latios and Latias was stated in the Pokedex Entries of Latios and Latias. Don't believe me? Try looking at the pokedex portion of their article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Kyogre]] and [[Manaphy]] were both in Ranger of The Sea Temple ( i think thats what it was called)[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Mewtwo is the only successful clone (attempted by humans) of a Pokémon as far as we know. And we're 100% certain that he's the only Mewtwo out there. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::And in the case of the games, it's also the only cloned pokemon, Period [even then, lab notes hinted that it wasn't even a clone {the whole "Mew Gave Birth" thing comes to mind}.] [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: Okay, okay, but I still think these should be referenced in the article. It is still true that most of the article is mere specualtion, however. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 04:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, I doubt that half of it is speculation. Most of it is from the games. Yeah, some of it is guessing for the dates, but that is why they have a large number of years separating the different sections, as the games don't give specific dates, except for that Arceus created the Pokémon universe. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::: Because everything mentioned in the games is meant to be taken literally. Yes. I see it now. Silly me.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 20:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I didn't mean for it to seem like that. When things are typed, they always sound different in the mind of somebody else. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm sorry, I strayed away from the point. My only problem is that there is no evidence and there are no citations in the artical. It's alright pointing things out here in the talk page, but if there's no evidence in the artical itself then I don't think it meets certain standards. I'm really just requesting evidence.
:::We can't really cite the games, which is why there aren't any citations at the moment. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You can ''sorta'' cite the games. Who to talk to and where to see what's said. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::True. But I think the citing that Me, Hurray is talking about is links and stuff. Or at least very specific descriptions of where they come from. Links we can't do for games, but yeah, I guess it would take some time, but we could find all of the people who tell us the random info. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Mentioning who gives the information in-game sounds like a satasfactory measure to me. at least then the information can be varified and proven correct. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 16:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

==Rotom==

it is never said that Rotom was made in the 70's, infact I taught [[Pluto]] discovered it in the 50's, so I think we should leave it blank until Platinum's out in english [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:I only knew he discovered it. In his youth. I didn't know there was a date involved. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I still don't get who put that in, I mean it would be diffrent it was ever said but I looked Rotom's page and it didn't say anything [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
:::All you have to do is go through the editing history. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Mew!?==
Alright, who said that Mew were plentiful soon after the creation of the Pokémon world? And how does anyone know that [[Mew (Lucario and the Mystery of Mew)|this Mew]] is different from [[Mew (Mewtwo Strikes Back)|that Mew]]? It could just be a different voice actor. [[User:Palkiajosh|パルキアJosh]] 23:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
*Ok, about the reason why Mew from Mewtwo Strikes Back being different from the Mew from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, it's for a couple of reasons. Yes, the voice doesn't necessarily mean much, however, MSB's Mew's Japanese VA was definitely in the 8th Movie as he (she? I don't really know the VA's gender) was the one who voiced Sir Aaron in that Movie. I mean, why would they give Mew a different VA (assuming that it IS the same one) if it's original VA is still very much available? Plus, the one from Movie 1 was very far from Kanto, and If this were the same mew, it would spend most of it's time inside of a Lake/Jungle than in a deciduous forest with a [[Tree of Beginning|Tree-like Rock formation]], not to mention that MSB's Mew lives a considerably far distance from Kanto, or heck, any of the regions that have been seen thus far, while LatMoM's Mew was located, if not in Kanto, then just barely beyond the border. As for the multiple parts, I'm guessing the fossilized remains of a Mew, as well as it being a genetic ancestor to every pokemon seems to answer that question.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget that the first Mew was seen to be sleeping underwater, possibly for a long time, untill Mewtwo unleashed his power on the world, creating storms and kidnapping the Nurse Joy of the city. The most recent Mew, was seen to have been connected to the Tree of Beginning, so it should be assumed Mew can't be away from it for long periods of time (longer than seen in the movie). And it and the Tree are so closely connected, when Mew would be damaged in the first movie, the Tree would also sustain damage. And the first Mew is also living in the Johto area, not Kanto. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Mew is the ancestor of all life. A being cannot breed with itself. Thus-multiple Mews-Mtn_Otter

== Lugia did what? ==

Who ever said Lugia actually created the 3 birds? just because it's the master trio doesn't mean it created them. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well........now thats up to interpretation. I say no[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I agree. It doesn't say anywhere that he created them. It just says that a Lugia has the power to destroy (Pokédex entries) or save the world (movie), depending on the situation. It only has control over the birds and their powers, and I think they only obey him out of respect for a higher being. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cleanup! ==

This article is really very well done as it sums up everything so those supposed continuity errors are straingtened out (such as the "Which came first? Arceus or Mew?" paradox). But I really think it needs a cleanup. All it has are random dot points on Pokemon that aren't related. Clean it up!
Also, fan assumptions should be excluded! It's annoying to see speculation assumed as fact. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we've been trying to do that for a while. And if you want it cleaned up, then don't just tell people to do it. You need to do something too. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::There really isn't a paradox concerning Arceus and Mew. It is ''believed'' (according to Dex entries) that Mew is the ancestor of Pokémon, but it clearly states in the DPPt origin story that Arceus was born before every other Pokémon (before the universem even). Arceus created Mew, ta-dah! And like [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] said, you can't just tell people to do things you want done. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had an interesting theory, which could solve the Arceus/Mew paradox. Arceus may have created the universe, but what if Mew came around before the universe was created, and Arceus sort of descended from it? Also, Mew is the ANSCESTOR of all Pokémon, not necassarily their creator. So if Arceus created Dialga and Palkia and the Lake Trio, then they are still anscestors of Mew, because Arceus is.

Please remember to sign comments. I realise that there's no Mew/Arceus paradox, not really. I just mean this article can definitively solve the arguing. (I've seen A LOT of arguing on the subject.) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

To answer above from Rocket Admin Hunter Blade & LordArceus): I didn't think I was 'qualified' enough to contribute to the cleanup. I though you sort of had to be in the webiste 'inner ring'. Haha. I guess that's silly. I've just had a look and I think it's fine as it is. It's just the allignment of the dot points that's a little dodgy. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:The only "qualification" you need, is the ability to not get carried away and screw everything up. Other than that, you should be able to do a lot, such as grammar mistakes, spelling, punctuation, and moving text to the correct sections. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin ==

Where did the "theory" come around supposing that Celebi, Jirachi and Shaymin were all born at the same time, and after the invention of the Unown writing system? There's no evidence to support this, so why even include it? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

I think it would improve this article a great deal of some pictures were included. It would give people more of an idea of what they were reading about. If anyone has any pictures of ancient Sinnoh region tapestries, or anything similar, be sure to add it to the article! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Kyogre Problem ==

How could Kyogre have expanded the sea with the help of Manaphy and Lugia when it went to sleep millions of years before, and wasn't woken up again until the events of Generation III? I think that, considering the fact that the Pokémon world is very similar to our own, the sea was probably created the same way that Earth's sea was, and that the theory of it being created by Pokémon is simply a legend. There is definately no archaelogical evidence that it was expanded by Pokémon! Maybe, until we are certain, we shouldn't mention how the sea was created like it is fact. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 22:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:Please sign your edits. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::This is all based off Dex entries and such. Kyogre created the oceans, not Manaphy or Lugia[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Writing System==
The article claims that the first writing system was created 1500 years before Generation 1. If this is based on present time, the first writing system was created in 500 AD. I haven't done any research yet, but I'm just noting that in our world, writing was created in about 2500 BC (Egyptians). This would be 4500 years before the present. [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Also the information about the pokemon (Mamoswine, Farfetch'd, Magikarp); is that true? [[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]] 23:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Writing first came about around 3400-3000 BC. It's still disputed wether Egypt or Mesopotamia had the oldest writing system. And for your second question, yes. Mamoswine are based off of woolly mammoths, so their history is almost the same as in our world. Farfetch'd have been mentioned somewhere, for their history, but I can't remember. And then Magikarp are the easiest. Many of their TCG Pokédex info boxes talk about it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gigas? ==

Didn't IT make the three, not humans? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:It says that? I haven't been paying attention then... They came around naturally, so nobody really created them, not even Regigigas. Although Platinum DOES say he did, the problem is that the Pt. Dex entry goes against what the Gen. III Dex entries say. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it says in the Gen III Pokédex entries that humans created the first three Regis. Regigigas, on the other hand, came into being naturally, and helped to shape the continents. That's what I always though anyway. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I read that Gigas did the continents, but it became too strong so humans made the Regis and used them as keys to seal it away. Of course, that may have come from this site.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::That's the thing... most of the stuff on Bulba is from other things here... but in this case, it's hard to decide. Because how can it control the Regis if they were made by humans? Either mind control because they're so similar, or the humans made three original Regis, and then Gigas made more. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm not seeing where in the Gen III Pokedex entries it says that humans created them... Registeel and Regirock's say that humans sealed them away, but have nothing that I can see about humans creating them. Unless I am misreading horribly, that part of the timeline needs to be changed. - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The Pokedexes definitely don't say that humans made the Regi.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prehistory and Recent History ==

I personally think this article needs to be either fixed up, deleted, or at least protected, especially the Prehistory and Recent History sections. I mean, at least part of those sections are true, but the rest of it is rubbish. Who ever said the Regis were made in their respective ages? Part of it has nothing to do with Pokémon: why is Apollo 11 even in here? I just want your opinion. [[User:Leafstorm151|Leafstorm151]] 18:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Because. The Pokémon world has some things tied in with ours. And in the Gen I games and their remakes, a guy talks about buying a color TV just to see Neil Armstrong land on the moon. And the Regis is most likely speculation, but at the same time not. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 19:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::Regis were made by Gigas then Gigas was sealed and the Regis got exported to Hoenn to keep them away. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== What about Damos? ==

It is stated that {{p|Arceus}} "FIRST" fall into never ending sleep BEFORE the first humans appeared ehh...but in the case of Movie12 Arceus meets Damos, a human, what about that?.....I mean that the first humans appeared after Arceus fall into never ending sleep then....i think we should change that section..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation=no. Until we see movie 12 nothing gets added.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 07:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you mean that whole story of Movie12, of Damos or whatever happens was all because of manga? i mean you get all the information on manga?"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 07:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Until Movie 12 gets released there can still be doubts. Just wait. I'm sure everything will be explained in time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus, as the creator of the space-time continuum, could logically travel through time in a manner similar it Celibi or Dialga. Also Arceus may have created clones of itself to manage the world while it is asleep.-Mtn_otter

== Whats with the Humans land on the moon ==

Is this Just for fun, because it has no relation with pokemon at all... ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 12:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

:If you've EVER played R/B/Y, or FRLG, you'd know. An old guy in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]] mentions getting a color TV just for that moment. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

::oh.... never played anything other than gen 4 :P ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 02:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Well then, now you know. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pictures! ==

I just added some pictures to the article, relevant to each era in the history of the Pokémon World. It makes it look a lot more interesting, don't you think? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 17:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Leaf ==

Shouldn't we remove Leaf from the article? HG/SS proves that Red's story is the canon one, and Leaf doesn't exist in Red's continuity because she never appeared during his quest. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:Absolutely not, unless we also remove {{ga|Kris}} due to non-interaction with {{ga|Gold}} in {{v2|Crystal}}. And we're not removing Kris. Just because Leaf doesn't appear in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} doesn't mean we should treat Leaf as if she never existed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::I left Kris there just in case that for whatever reason you consider Pokémon Crystal to be canon rather than the remakes (which would still mean the Leaf isn't part of continuity).
::And even if you're going to assume that Leaf existed somewhere, the article is still wrong because she can't have had the same story she had in FR/LG. That would mean that both Red and Leaf had the same mom, the same house, the same rival and the same events within the same continuity, which makes no sense. If she was part of continuity, she would have a different role from Red's, like May and Dawn had in Brendan and Lucas' respective stories. Moreover, the article states that she defeated Green/Blue in the Pokémon League and became the new champion, which can't have happened, considering that Blue/Green states in HG/SS that the trainer who defeated him shortly after he became champion was Red, not Leaf.
::Lastly, the article should be about writing what we know that happened, not what might have happened. We know that Red's story is canon and Leaf's isn't, as they can't both happen in the same continuity. Therefore, we know that Leaf never appeared in continuity. That there's a Leaf somewhere in the established continuity is unfounded speculation, no matter how much some people want her to be part of it. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

:::There are absolutely no acceptable grounds in removing all references to Leaf from the article. By removing parts from the article, you're trying to imply Leaf never existed to begin with, and for that to be true, FireRed/LeafGreen would have to have had only a male player character. Either that or there would have to have been no FireRed/LeafGreen (and if that were to be the case, there would be no HeartGold/SoulSilver either).

:::Those parts from the article you're trying to have removed in no way imply Leaf exists in HeartGold/SoulSilver; to have any area of the article imply any involvement from Leaf in HeartGold/SoulSilver, Leaf would have to be mentioned in one of the sections further below, and last I saw, there weren't any such mentions.

:::In conclusion: Leaf exists, and she always will. The fact HeartGold/SoulSilver doesn't mention her does not change that. Where Leaf is already mentioned, she should be. Where Leaf shouldn't be mentioned, she's already not. Trying to erase all traces of her existence from the article is akin to vandalism. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. So you weren't saying that there was a Leaf somewhere in the HG/SS timeline. My bad.
::::Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this article about the timeline of the Pokémon world? Isn't it about making a recollection of the canonical events in the established continuity and making it the less ambiguous possible (ie: saying that "Brendan/May" became the Hoenn champion only because we don't have confirmation about which story is the canonical one, which is different from the case in FR/LG)?
::::Also, I thought that the most recent games that rewrite history take priority over the older ones. In the RSE section we say that the player calmed down Groudon and Kyogre with Rayquaza's help (as depicted in Emerald), not that s/he "stopped Groudon/Kyogre" (as depicted in Ruby and Sapphire respectively), because we use the most recent rewrite of the RSE story, Emerald, as canon. Likewise, shouldn't the GS remakes, which established that Red's story happened in the timeline but Leaf's didn't, take priority over FR/LG (as HG/SS are the most recent games)?
::::Edit: I'm not saying that Leaf doesn't exist. I'm saying that she doesn't exist in the continuity established by the overall timeline (if you believe HGSS or GSC), which I think this article is supposed to be about. - [[User:Crystal Master|Crystal Master]]

Perhaps instead of rewording the article to not mention Leaf, we reword the Gen III section to be ambiguous as to it's version:
:"After defeating Hoenn's eight Gym Leaders and, with the help of Steven and Wallace, calming Groudon and/or Kyogre after they are awakened by Team Magma/Team Aqua, respectively, he/she...."
AFAIK, Platinum's story is different from Pearl and Diamond, yet no mention of Giratina is made. Just keep the version ambiguous. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:Drop me some drafts and I might consider it. I'd really want the text to securely take all player bases into consideration yet not allow possible relentless editing to try to make it look like one player base never existed in the canon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::There's a draft right there, just replace the one sentence. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 03:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Protection?! ==

Thanks a lot! I've been working really hard on improving this article over the last few months and now it's been protected! What is the reasoning behind this? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 20:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:Ever think about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world&action=history checking]? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Page now unlocked as both parties in the edit war reached a truce. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Yay, I can edit again now, thanks! Sorry if I came across a bit impolite before. --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==

how do we know it takes place 2 years after Gen 2 and 4?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Not quite. According to the page, Colosseum takes place sometime between Generation I/III and II/IV, which makes sense, and then XD ''is'' supposed to be set quite a few years from Colosseum, although I don't know how we got "two years after Gen IV" specifically. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanx. I just thought someone just put that there without proof.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 19:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me how is it possible for Generation II and IV happened at the same time? ==
Its not possible because Jasmine is in the Sinnoh Region right?--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 10:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:People just say that because they believe the odd-numbered generations take place at the same time. Yet there's zero proof of even that--no timeframes are ever stated for when the games that take place in either [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]] take place. For all we know, the [[Generation III]] Hoenn games takes place five years after [[Generation II]] and the [[Generation IV]] Sinnoh games take place 10 years further down the road, and yet the technology of their respective platforms allows them to trade freely with the remakes in their generation that do take place at the same time as their originals (addtionally, in Hoenn's case, it can even freely trade with two console games that take place years apart). Besides, where was it stated that the [[red Gyarados]] in the {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} intro is the one from the [[Lake of Rage]]? Right, nowhere. Yet people are using such a baseless assumption as evidence of the even-numbered generations taking place at or around the same time.

:The only times timeframes between two games are ever stated are the case between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] being three years apart, and {{pkmn|Colosseum}} and {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}} being five years apart. The fact that both of the latter are compatible with all handheld Generation III games just goes to show that we don't know when the Hoenn and Sinnoh games take place, and that all assumptions of them taking place at the same time as the remakes in their repsective generations are baseless and shouldn't be trusted. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 13:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks for answering my question...--[[User:Jason avelino|Jason avelino]] 05:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Timeframe for Sinnoh, by the way. Rowan returned from Kanto after four years of study with Oak. Red Gyarados specials were still airing on TV. Sinnoh's either during or shortly after the story of Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessarily. The Red Gyarados report had Mount Coronet in the background. That means the Red Gyarados couldn't have been in Johto. [[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Rayquaza from MINERALS? ==

Where the heck is this from? None of the Pokedexes mention it, and well, there aren't minerals in the ozone layer. They'd be much, much too heavy. Even if a volcano erupts and sprays ash (not minerals) into the air, it doesn't reach the ozone layer.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Regis Created By Humans? ==
Where does it say that the Regis were made by man? Or that they were made in the three eras (except for Regice)? In fact, Registeel is said to be "tens of thousands" of years old, according to the Pokedex, whereas the Iron Age was just 3,000 years ago. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Due to the fact that Cynthia and Looker mention Lucas/Dawn in passing, it can be safely assumed that Generation V takes place around the same time as XD. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 01:11, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. It can be assumed to take place after Platinum, but we have no idea exactly how long after. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Can we edit the Generation IV timeline by shifting the focus to Platinum's storyline rather than Diamond/Pearl with Platinum in parentheses? I believe Cynthia says something about the trainer who battled Giratina, which isn't in the DP Storyline. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 17:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with pocketfanmk, considering that Platinum is the only game all three of the trio members and that the game is more detailed in all senses. As for Generation V... That's a tough one. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 00:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: It's true. Because of the Gen V references we can assume that the Platinum Story is the canonical one, instead of the DP Story.line

== More than one Regigigas? ==

''"Landmasses such as Mt. Coronet are created, and '''Regigigas move''' the continents, forming the regions,"''

Grammar suggests more than one, is this true or did someone make a typo?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think it is suggesting that there were more than one. But I could be wrong. :/--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 07:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there are [[M11|multiple Regigigas]] [[DP129|in the anime]], so it may not be an error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That bit seems fine, but the tense of that whole section is weird. Shouldn't it be in past tense? --[[User:Jda95|jda95]] 12:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::If there is only one Regigigas, it would be "''Regigigas moves''"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 16:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Basis of article ==

Is this article based on the games or the anime? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Dragonite (Pokémon)

2011-02-26T23:26:54Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Another Dragonite/Lugia connection */

==Edit to Dragonite's Trivia==

I moved the lone piece of trivia as a comment underneath Dragonite's base stat chart. The trivia referred to Salamence' statistics being similar to Dragonite's. I feel that things like this should be done to reduce the number of Trivia sections in the article. I deleted the Trivia section at first, but then I went back and put it back. It is now empty.

[[User:GoldenBattler|GoldenBattler]]

:That's not how we work, man. Stuff like that is considered vandalism, removing sections and stuff. :/ Don't do that stuff again. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

==Horn?==
There did thst come from? The horn was not there last time I saw that page. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 03:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:does it matter? its there, and, uh, yea. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I want to object to something in trivia: "In Generation I games, Dragonite didn't have a horn. One was added during Generation II. However there does appear to be a horn on Dragonite's Green sprite".
Um, there is a horn on the Green shiny sprite. I can see it there. Is it okay for this to be removed? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Island of Dragonite??? ==

I was wondering where a mention of an island inhabited by Dragonite is? Cheers! {{unsigned|Lachynorms}}
:It's in the Pokedex information. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 15:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

On an interesting note, Dragonite's shiny sprite looks simalar to Tyranitar, and Tyranitar's shiny sprite looks simalar to Dragonite. Is this worth noting?
ShinyPiKa 01:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

== Crystal sprites? ==
I'm sure crysalsprites were here before--[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia.. ==

Are we supposed to know who "the four other powerhouse evolutions" are? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 15:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:{{p|Tyranitar|Four}} {{p|Salamence|other}} {{p|Metagross|powerhouse}} {{p|Garchomp|evolutions}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== An European ==

Is it "a European" or "an European"? I changed the line to "They resemble a European dragon" but it got changed back to "an". I know that you are supposed to use "an" instead of "a" but you know, like how the english language is so simple with all its rule breaking words. I am 100% sure it is "A European" not "An" (so does MS Word).

Though I am failing English but that's just because I can't retain exact information for content quizes and am not good at crappy word play like "He may be backwards but he's not aloof"/offtopic--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 01:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I am also sure it is "a", due to the fact that European starts with the consonant sound 'y' as in your. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 01:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
: That's true. This is same as honour. It's an honour not a honour. --[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 01:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::Y is "sometimes" a vowel.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 01:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::But in this case, it is the consonant sound of y, not an actual y. Would you say an young person? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 01:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Really, its "sometimes" Y not "always Y", and I'm searching through the history and it keeps being reverted -_-. I actually knew it was supposed to be "A European" but started this discussion because I knew that this would happen. Just take the advice of every english teacher: Read it out loud, chances are if it sounds wrong, it is.

::::Like I mentioned, there are also a lot of rule-breaking English words like the infamous "i before e except after c" There's science, weird, rottweiler etc. This is why English is a very complicated language, despite all their rules, there are about a hundred other exceptions.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 01:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::I still agree with Fiddler. It just doesn't sound <sc>right</sc>. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::Wait, what doesn't sound right, 'a' or 'an'? I think an sounds wrong... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 01:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::He agrees with you so "An European" doesn't sound right. Also the answer to the random tidbit at my first post was "fool" for anyone who didn't figure it out.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 02:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think it's been established now...a European... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Does "An Uranium atom" sound wrong? If it does, perhaps 'an' is a special case for 'u'. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 02:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not really special, same thing as European. Starts with the 'y' sound as in young and yours. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 02:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Grammar 101, people. You use "an" before a vowel '''sound''', not necessarily a vowel letter. Examples: an hour, a unicorn, an heir.--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]] 00:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

== Stats..... ==

I've done this already and they've undone it again........ Stats are supposed to be multiples of 5! I corrected it's evolutions' stats and that didn't get undone! What is goin' on here?! Like......it's attak stat was at 134 and hp at 91. I corrected it to 135 and 90 and it's evolutions. The evolutions' and Dragonite's got undone so I did it again...... Now it's evolutions' stayed and Dragonite's moved! Believe me, I have had plenty of Dragonite to know how they're stats grow. So, again, wath is goin' on here?! I am pissed! If you need to know who I am, here[[User:Dragonbeastx|Dragonbeastx]] 06:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)...............
:Base stats are NOT multiples of 5. Dragonite's base Attack is 134, not 135. Its base HP is 91, not 90. Trust me, the stats were fine before you came along. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 10:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

In the trivia section it says there is not a horn on the Generation I sprites but... uh... there is definitely a horn. In the Red and Blue sprite it's there inbetween those antennae things. I would delete the whole comment, but I got in trouble for deleting obviously wrong stuff before, so... I'm writing here. I think someone below mentioned it, but I wasn't sure if this was the same issue.

No, there are no horns on the Generation I sprites. I think you saw Dragonites left wing behind its head and thought it was a horn. In Yellow, the 'horn' you saw might have been the very tip of the bend in its wings. Dragonite is definantely hornless in Generation I. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Yes, there is such a thing called "fairy dragon"... ==
[http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii251/CoffeeFool/Celtic/Celtic_fairy_purple.jpg] [http://image63.webshots.com/163/0/76/44/526407644foadgM_ph.jpg]
[http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/mysticalone6304/fairydragonpurple.jpg]
Should I bring more?
--[[User:Gorebyss|Gorebyss]] 11:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

== Should we add ==

Should we add that Dragonite had the Highest ATK Of all the Non-Legendary Dragon Type Pokemon until the Introduction Of Salamence [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:No, because that's getting really specific, and is generally not so notable.[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 20:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

It says the first time Dragonite appears is in Mewtwo Strikes Back, but one does appear in Mystery at the Lighthouse. A giant one as mentioned. Shouldn't this be considered the first appearence. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Coldshrike}} ([[User talk:Coldshrike|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Coldshrike|contribs]]) ''
:Well it's listed [[List of Pokémon by anime debut|here]] as such, so I'll fix that up for you. PS, sign those comments! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::Dude, it was already there... read better next time. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:46, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== Smaller then Dragonair? ==

I think the entry in the trivia that Dragonite is smaller then it's preevolution is very misleading. Although Dragonair is 'taller', due to it being a snake-like dragon, Dragonite is clearly larger (this is supported by it weighing more then 10 times as much). Maybe it should be changed to 'Shorter then it's preevolution', or removed entirely. Derian 14:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Origins of Dragonite family ==

I remember reading a long time ago somewhere that Dragonite was based partially on a dolphin, which makes sense with his close association with water, body and head appearance, and high intelligence.
I've also always acknowledged that Dratini seems based almost directly on an eel. It looks like one, lives in the water, and even in the first generation, it could learn Thunder Wave and other electrical attacks, hinting at being based on electric eels.
Is there any way we could add these into their origins sections, saying that the were also somewhat based on them and citing that evidence?
--[[User:Elements806|Elements806]] 14:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex=It is said that this Pokémon constantly flies over the immense seas and rescues drowning people.</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:50, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia. Similar Japanese Dragon to Dragonite. ==

Japanese Sea-dragon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kuniyoshi_Utagawa,_Dragon_2.jpg

An alar dragon exists in the picture of Japan. It becomes Sea-dragon if kairyu is translated, and it agrees to the name of a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 21:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Anime Accidentily refered Dragonite as a legendary pokemon ==

In the Episode Enter the Dragonite on the Dragon DVD I believe it is volume 8 the last episode called Enter the Dragonite the announcer during the battle refers to it as a legendary pokemon although this was probably an error in the English dub since I do not know what he said the the Japanese one so I am not sure if they made the same error but would this be worth noting in the trivia section? {{unsigned|Marchbaby}}

I went ahead and added it since it has been 3 day with no reply. Feel free to rewrite it or to make any nessicary changes.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 16:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

== Another Dragonite/Lugia connection ==

In the anime episode, [[A Parent Trapped!]], an episode featuring Lugia, the answer for the [[Who's that Pokémon?]] is Dragonite. Is this worth mentioning? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 18:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:Do you meant the English or Japanese one? Because by that time in the anime, the english one became completely random. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::Really? Well, I just watched the English one on pokémon.com, and it was Dragonite, and on the page for the episode it shows the answer for that episode as Dragonite. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 23:26, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Dragonite (Pokémon)

2011-02-26T18:01:29Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Another Dragonite/Lugia connection */ new section

Talk:Dual Chop (move)

2011-02-26T02:09:44Z

Fimbulwinter2012: Picture?

== Picture? ==

Uh, the picture that is supposed to show the move just shows two Pokémon looking at each other, not doing anything. Anyone wanna change it? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 02:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Houndoom (Pokémon)/Generation IV learnset

2011-02-24T00:06:39Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* By {{pkmn|breeding}} */

{{pokelinkback|229|Houndoom|4}}
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Houndoom|Dark|Fire|4|2}}
{{learnlist/level4|Start|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15|Smart|3}}
{{learnlist/level4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/level4|Start|Ember|Fire|Special|40|100|25|Beauty|3||'''}}
{{learnlist/level4|Start|Howl|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Cool|0}}
{{learnlist/level4|Start|Smog|Poison|Special|20|70|20|Tough|3}}
{{learnlist/level4|4|Howl|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Cool|0}}
{{learnlist/level4|9|Smog|Poison|Special|20|70|20|Tough|3}}
{{learnlist/level4|14|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/level4|17|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25|Tough|3||'''}}
{{learnlist/level4|22|Odor Sleuth|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Smart|1}}
{{learnlist/level4|28|Beat Up|Dark|Physical|10|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{learnlist/level4|32|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15|Beauty|3||'''}}
{{learnlist/level4|38|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20|Smart|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/level4|44|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/level4|48|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/level4|54|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/level4|60|Nasty Plot|Dark|Status|—|—|20|Cute|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Houndoom|Dark|Fire|4|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Houndoom|Dark|Fire|4|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|15|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|Cool|1}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM23|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM43|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM49|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM58|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM63|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Cool|1||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM78|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM79|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM82|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM83|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/tm4|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{learnlist/tm4|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{learnlist/tm4|HM06|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Houndoom|Dark|Fire|4|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Houndoom|Dark|Fire|4|2}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|215|Sneasel}}{{MSP|461|Weavile}}{{MSP|228|Houndour}}{{MSP|229|Houndoom}}|Beat Up|Dark|Physical|10|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|287|Slakoth}}{{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|448|Lucario}}|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|052|Meowth}}{{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|083|Farfetch’d}}{{MSP|352|Kecleon}}{{MSP|359|Absol}}{{MSP|391|Monferno}} {{MSP|392|Infernape}}{{MSP|434|Stunky}}{{MSP|435|Skuntank}}{{MSP|448|Lucario}}|Feint|Normal|Physical|50|100|10|Beauty|0|||HGSS}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|209|Snubbull}}{{MSP|210|Granbull}}{{MSP|228|Houndour}}{{MSP|229|Houndoom}}{{MSP|310|Manectric}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}} {{MSP|058|Growlithe}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|136|Flareon}}{{MSP|232|Donphan}}{{MSP|295|Exploud}}{{MSP|450|Hippowdon}}|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15|Beauty|3||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|037|Vulpix}}{{MSP|038|Ninetales}}{{MSP|077|Ponyta}}{{MSP|078|Rapidash}}{{MSP|136|Flareon}}{{MSP|255|Torchic}} {{MSP|256|Combusken}}{{MSP|257|Blaziken}}{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|390|Chimchar}}{{MSP|391|Monferno}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}}|Fire Spin|Fire|Special|15|70|15|Beauty|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|038|Ninetales}}{{MSP|052|Meowth}}{{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|190|Aipom}}{{MSP|424|Ambipom}}{{MSP|228|Houndour}} {{MSP|229|Houndoom}}{{MSP|275|Shiftry}}{{MSP|390|Chimchar}}{{MSP|391|Monferno}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}}|Nasty Plot|Dark|Status|—|—|20|Cute|0}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}}|Punishment|Dark|Physical|—|100|5|Smart|1||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|128|Tauros}}{{MSP|197|Umbreon}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|335|Zangoose}} {{MSP|359|Absol}}{{MSP|418|Buizel}}{{MSP|419|Floatzel}}|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20|Smart|1||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|128|Tauros}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|209|Snubbull}}{{MSP|210|Granbull}}|Rage|Normal|Physical|20|100|20|Cool|0}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|058|Growlithe}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/breed4|{{MSP|209|Snubbull}}{{MSP|210|Granbull}}{{MSP|229|Houndoom}}{{MSP|309|Electrike}}{{MSP|310|Manectric}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}} {{MSP|403|Shinx}}{{MSP|404|Luxio}}{{MSP|405|Luxray}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|135|Jolteon}}{{MSP|295|Exploud}} {{MSP|232|Donphan}}{{MSP|450|Hippowdon}}|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15|Smart|3}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Houndoom|Dark|Fire|4|2}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Houndoom|Dark|Fire|4|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15|Tough|3|||no|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Heat Wave|Fire|Special|100|90|10|Beauty|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|Beauty|2|||no|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5|Smart|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Super Fang|Normal|Physical|—|90|10|Tough|3|||no|no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor4|Uproar|Normal|Special|50|100|10|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Houndoom|Dark|Fire|4|2}}

Talk:Vibrava (Pokémon)

2011-02-23T03:11:24Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Another possible name origin */

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_dragon#Dragons_in_Catalan_mythology] - Vibrava's name may also come from the "vibra".

== Another possible name origin ==

There is a dragon-like creature mentioned in these legends called a Vibria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibria#Dragons_in_Catalan_mythology {{unsigned|Fimbulwinter2012}}
:How is that distinct from the origin mentioned ''directly above you'', which happens to already be mentioned on the page? —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 02:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
::Oops. I didn't see the link. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Vibrava (Pokémon)

2011-02-23T01:56:50Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Another possible name origin */ new section

Talk:Cynthia

2011-02-23T01:06:57Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* B/W Battle Music */

==If Ash and co. met Lucian...==
If Ash and co. met [[Lucian]], it was likely they'll meet Cynthia later in the anime. And I was right, because Cynthia is scheduled to make her first anime appearance in [[DP040]]!

User FREAKAZOID

== Garchomps gender? ==

based on gender differences, what gender is her garchomp? --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 02:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:Female. All of Cynthia's Pokémon are female EXCEPT for her Lucario. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 05:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
::I think they mean in the anime...? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Its still a female. No groove in the fin. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 06:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

In the quotes section, it says:

Before battle: 
''"One look at you tells me many things about you. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. That's enough talking. Let's get on with why you're here. I, Cynthia, accept your challenge as the Pokémon League Champion! There won't be any letup from me!"''

OR

''"Have you been keeping well? Thank you for Mt. Coronet. I'm truly grateful. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. But that's enough talk. Let's get on with why you're here. As the Pokémon League Champion, I accept your challenge!"''

What do they mean, "OR"? Doesn't she always say the same thing? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 21:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that she says the Mt.Coronet thing only when the player didn't beat the Elite Four yet.She doesn't say that to me!
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie]] 20:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Uxie Legend

== what the...? ==

whats with the line going across the page?
uhh....[[User:Kpokefan|Kpokefan]] (cuz i dont know how to make the special little signatures
:What line? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 17:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Cynthia + Rayquaza?? ==
apparently, in an episode, Cynthia is shown commanding a [[Rayquaza]]. it can be viewed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e88ROwzgUOE here]. →[[User:Thomas1652]]
:But it was in a dream. She doesn't really own that Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::aaaahh, thank you for clearing that up for me. =) →[[User:Thomas1652]]
i thought that the Rayquaza she was commanding was just an illusion, someone added it. Is it ok to take it out? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 08:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::*Sigh*.....I'll take it out.....--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh! Someone took it out already.....--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== elite four ==

what do the elite four and the league champ actually do in the anime?[[User:Samrulz123|Samrulz]][[User talk:Samrulz123|123]][[Image:Ani151MS.gif]] 04:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:Wait around to appear in an episode. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I always figured that in order to challenge the elite four you had to win the league tournament. We may never know [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 11:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question ==

Cynthia also looks like the character(dont know her name) who trasform's in this video:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I50GGdQCQDs&NR=1

--[[User:Zakuro x Cynthia|[[Image:Ani492MS.gif]] Zakuro]] 08:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

== lucario ==

Does anybody else think those things in her hair look like the thing on lucario's head.I think this could mean that lucario is her main pokémon in the games (and possibly anime but not sure) [[User:Darkmaster0]]
:I always thought the things in her hair resembled a {{p|Garchomp}}....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
::It does look more like {{p|Lucario}}'s hair-type-thing, but her Garchomp is her strongest pokémon and they ,usually, are the trainer's signature pokémon. Phocks.

== Chi ==

Chi and Fei are identical twins and Chi is the main chatterer, so way dos she look like Fei and not Chi? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 12:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:What in the name of Hans Christian Anderson do you mean? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:05 18 Jun 2008'''''
::Probably another "character similarity" thing. God, I'm sick of them. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::...''who'' is Fei? The twins' names are Erda (Chi) and Freya (black Chi).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::::And the "Freya and not Chi" thing probably has to do with the black gothic clothing? Just maybe.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the mix up in the name. Thay still look the same and I don't get it? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 00:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:Is the statement even necessary? The accompanying link doesn't even have a picture and I've never even heard of the character. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 00:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::I'm really sick of those "similarities". We've got too many of them and most of them don't even look similar. I say, DELETE ALL "SIMILARITY" NOTES! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I agree. It's like "Oooh! One anime character looks like another! We should put that in!!" It's not all that notable. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this one is notable if any of them are. The have the same eyes, the same face. Clair even has hair things that look like Chi's ear's. If you ask me this one is intentional [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:I assume we're referring to Chobits here. Anyway, I did think Cynthia looked a bit like a Persicom on first impression, and her very long hair and black clothes are reminiscent of Freya, but I wouldn't say this is particularly relevant to Bulbapedia. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 16:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Dream Rayquaza (Please don't ignore this) ==

If we include her Rayquaza, shouldn't we include the Piplup, Chimchar, and Turtwig from {{an|Dawn}}'s [[DP001]] dream? If you agree with me, please make the table, cuz remember, I don't know how!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:That was more of Dawn daydreaming that she had those Pokémon. Plus, it wasn't appearant to the characters at first that they were dreaming when Cynthia had a Rayquaza. I don't know, maybe Rayquaza shouldn't count... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 20:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But it was still a dream Pokémon, just saying--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Ash. Kanto starters. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No, he woke up to the Gengar/Nidorino battle, remember?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:No he didn't... He was watching that on T.V. the night before he left on his journey. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But the Kanto starters in the dream [[Ash's Bulbasaur|manifested]] [[Ash's Charizard|them]][[Ash's Squirtle|selves]] into reality. And what about May commanding Mudkip in [[AG001]]?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah but that's not what I was talking about. You said he woke up to the battle of Nidorino and Gengar, which he didn't.
:Back to the subject about dream Pokémon, just because Ash got all the starters he dreamed about doesn't mean that everyone gonna get the Pokémon they've dreamed about. These stupid dream Pokémon shouldn't even be mentioned. Especially not the ones in Dawn's dream. What about all those Pokémon that Meowth always dreams Giovanni has in his dreams. Are we gonna mentioned those now? --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

[[Boss fantasy|Already have a page for that]]--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well that's merely a section of the boss fanasy article. Doesn't mean that other people should have dream Pokémon mentioned. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== Color ==

Why is her table color white? It blends with the background. Wouldn't black/a shade of gray be better? [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Likely. Pick one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Leiji Matsumoto ==
I know there's been a crackdown on speculative trivia, but I honestly think Cynthia's design is a reference to {{wp|Galaxy Express 999.}} Seriously, look at the Maetel-bot in that entry and tell me she's not inspired by that. - Nekusagi (don't know how to link myself)
:Done. {{tt|She's not inspired by that.|Just...doin' what ur askin'}} On a serious note, however, it's still speculation. Which isn't allowed on articles or something.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::To compare a character to another one is an opinion, as well as speculation. Opinions are not shared by everyone so they don't belong in any article. Now, I already discussed this with Neku elsewhere so there needs to be no further inquiries about this. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

== Egg ==

After running Team Galactic out of Eterna, Cynthia approaches the player near the Bicycle Shop to give him or her an Egg. I'd edit the article myself to reflect this, but I'm not sure what's in the egg -- or where in the article the information should go. [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 16:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:It is a Togepi Egg. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 19:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::Noted and changed. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I think there's a faulty tag, but I don't know what the correct one is. [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::::got it.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== In the trivia... ==

The trivia states: Cynthia's team also has at least one attack that matches the type themes of every member of the Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn Elite Four plus three members of Sinnoh's Elite Four. Flint is the only member not represented as none of Cynthia's Pokémon have Fire-type attacks.

Cynthia has a Fire-type attack: Flamethrower. It's on Garchomp before National Pokedex. If what this is stating after the NP, then please ignore this. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nidolord500}} ([[User talk:Nidolord500|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nidolord500|contribs]]) ''

== Pokédex ==
In Platinum, Cynthia tells the player character that she went on an adventure with a Pokédex when she was younger (she says this when you meet her in Celestic Town). This isn't mentioned on her page, and I think it is kind of important. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 09:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

:You know every trainer begins with a Pokédex. If you dont agree then give me examples of trainers without Pokédex. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::"''You've got a Pokedex!? Wow! Etcetera!''" Also, Pearl doesn't have one, and Wally doesn't seem to either. The game dialogue at the start of each game makes it seem like its a big deal; hence the Professor gives it ''after'' the player has done a task for him, not ''with'' the Starter Pokemon. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude about Pearl it is mentioned on his page and "doesnt seem to either" doesnt sounds convincing. Moreover as you administrators say "Wait till it is confirmes" although I dont think it will ever be . --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
When exactly was the Pokédex invented anyway? [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 09:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Pearl didn't get one because he was in a rush. Wally because he started on his own, without a starter nor a Pokédex. Other Trainers because there to lazy to get themselves one. You only see the Main player and Rival get a PokéDex. And as for Trom and Prongs, Both of you need to stop being hostile to eachother.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:Leave your messages after a : and it was recently before the first genera.. Brainwave! We are not hostile just a friendly argument. If this server breaks once more I will kill someone. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 10:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sorry... I'm being hostile? It certainly wasn't intentional. I just answered the question.... Again, sorry if it seemed like that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Please you werent. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 10:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Seems like it yeah, I always think there's some kind of rivalry between you two. Meh nevermind. My thought got me wrong.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Unless Cynthia is only thirteen years old (which she'd have to be to start out with a Pokédex [invented three years before Generation II and IV]) it's possible Cynthia started out with a forerunner/prototype of the Pokédex, such as the P*DA. But this is only speculation. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:Prof. Oak created the PokéDex way before Gen I. And you have to be 10 to be a Trainer.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Exactly my point, she started her adventure before D/P/Pt, and the Pokédex was created, let's say a year (not actual time), before Gen I, she'd have to have been 10 to start out on her adventure at this time if she'd had a Pokédex, and she looks older than fourteen. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Of course. But yet this is speculation, I mean she could've started being a trainer late in her life.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::True... [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually in the games Oak says that he created it just a little time ago and many state that Cynthia is quite experienced. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::In fact, when you beats her the first time (in Platinum at least) and Rowan shows up, he states it has been a long time since he has been at the Hall of Fame, and Cynthia comments that if the last time he had been there was when she had become champion, then it was a long time ago. So she must have had her Pokédex for quite some time. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 10:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Here's a tip: why don't we quote everything Cynthia said in DPPt? We do that on Cyrus's page. =] '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 11:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Good plan [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 18:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

== 3 years ==

In Cynthia's trivia section, there is a bullet saying "Although Cynthia mentions she started with a Pokédex, in Generation I (approximately three years before the events of Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum) Professor Oak mentions that it is his newest invention." How do we know that the events of Gold, Silver, and Crystal are happening at the same time as Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum? Jasmine is actually in Sinnoh during generation IV, so how could she be in Sinnoh and in Johto at her gym at the same time? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 19:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:The Red Gyarados happens after you beat Jasmine. It is highly possible that she goes to Sinnoh to recover after her loss; there is nothing to deny this. It could also happen shortly before she is faced by the player of GSC. While the two generations appear to happen within the same time frame, they don't appear to be concurrent. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==Platinum and Arceus reference==

In Platinum, I specifically remember that if you went and checked the cave painting in the Celestic Ruins again after beating the Elite Four, Cynthia showed up and gave a big lecture on the dragon trio, lake trio, and speculation on Arceus. Somebody should go and check that, and put it in the quotes section. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Pokedex trivia ==

Could Cynthia just be a newish trainer? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:As mentioned earlier, Cynthia is said to be quite experienced. Also, both Cynthia and Prof. Rowan both state that it was some time since Rowan had been to the Hall of Fame, which means that Cynthia has been a trainer for quite some time. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== In two places at once ==

After defeating Cyrus for the last time, she's at the entrance to Turnback Cave and at the League. Did anyone else notice this? --[[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 19:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:Unless you're also in two places at once, you can't verify that claim. She leaves the League a lot earlier in the game; chances are she's doing the same here. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::After accompanying the player to the Distortion World, she stands around outside the cave but isn't there after you complete the E4 challenge. Platinum has actual cases of Gym Leaders being in three places at once (Gym + Cafe + Villa) but this doesn't count. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== First Timers ==

I was looking at the different Champions, and it's occured to me that Cynthia is the only one to be Champion in both the games and the anime. Blue was Champion in Gen. I & their remakes and is Ash's rival in the anime, Lance was Elite Four in Gen. I, but Champion in Gen.II. Steve and Wallace are not the Champions of Hoenn in the anime, and both where Champions in different games.--[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 20:12:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, the anime stated that Wallace is the Champion of the Hoenn League. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Cynthia the only one to remain champion ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that Cynthia is the ''only'' Champion to remain Champion of her League in all games set in that region?
Kanto/Johto Elite Four has had Blue, later replaced by Lance.
Hoenn Elite Four has had Steven, later replaced by Wallace.
But Sinnoh has only EVER had Cynthia as a Champion.

Though this might change come Black and White and their third version, do you think it's still worth a mention? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it should be. [[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 01:14, 2 August 2010.--[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 01:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that isn't true. Red takes the champion title from Blue in Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, FireRed, or LeafGreen, and remains the true champion in Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, or SoulSilver. He just isn't fought in the league. And besides, every champion has lost the title; the player beats the champion in every game. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait, so what was Lance then if not the Champion of the Indigo Plateau? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:Lance was the Johto Champion. Red is the Kanto Champion. You simply don't have to fight another Elite Four to battle Kanto's Champion.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 14:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu House... ==

In Pokemon Platinum, Cynthia mentions about having a house, but where she said is a secret. Having a look at the Black/White games I realize there is a hosue with Cynthia in it. Any possible connections? I can't read other languages so if you can please find out if she claims it as her house.--[[User:Scepie|Scepie]] 08:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
:The villa of isshu is not a house of Cynthia. The villa that exists in Sazanami Town is belongings of Caitlin. Cynthia borrows the villa from Caitlin. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

== Black & White Rematch Problem ==
I was able to fight her in Spring, but ever since Summer started, all she'll do is talk about swimsuits. Is there something I have to do to get her to fight me again? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:I believe it she only battles in certain season(s). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:07, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

== Cynthia's Pokémon's IVs ==

They are NOT 31, at least not in Platinum's rematch. I won't edit that piece of trivia, as I have no means of confirming her IVs in games other than that. My brother used a catch trainers' Pokemon cheat on a Pokemon from each E4 member. (Their "signature Pokemon" <Drapion/Rhyperior/Magmortar/Garchomp> and Lucian's Espeon) They APPEAR to be all 30. (EVERY E4 member's Pokemon, not just Cynthia's.) I ran their stats through an IV checker. For reference, I'll put their details down here (Order of HP/Attack/Defence/Special Attack/Special Defence/Speed): Aaron's Drapion: Lv. 69, Lonely - 196/163/159/108/129/156; Bertha's Rhyperior: Lv. 71, Lonely - 265/247/189/104/104/83; Flint's Magmortar: Lv. 73, Timid - 214/148/124/209/165/162; Lucian's Espeon: Lv. 71, Calm - 194/106/111/210/177/182; Cynthia's Garchomp: Lv. 78, Bold - 279/207/193/153/161/187.

[[User:RiverShock|RiverShock]] 06:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Hometown ==

In the article it says "hometown=[[Celestic Town]]{{tt|*|Mentioned only in the anime}}" but I think in the games (Platinum, at least) it mentions that she is from Celestic Town or something like that and the Celestic Town article says "It is the hometown of Cynthia's family." so should we remove the part that says "Mentioned only in the anime"? [[User:Xxcom9a|Xxcom9a]] 14:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. The fact that she resides in an other region doesn't mean that she doesn't come from Celestic. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

== B/W Battle Music ==

When you battle Cynthia in Black and White, is the music the same as it was in Gen IV or is it different? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 22:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Pretty much the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCd4pccHCfU [[User:Xxcom9a|Xxcom9a]] 14:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Is this trivia worthy? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Leaf

2011-02-20T04:42:03Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Happiness possibly incorrect */

===Major Change===
I have updated everything to match the guide book for HG/SS. When merging natures together, the original list did not have full route lists for each nature within the respective family, so the nature with the most routes attached to it was the one I went with. The guide does not touch on Kanto routes at all, so the lists are most likely still not full. Shining Leaf A/B/C/D/E are each found on specific routes, but because I do not have the Kanto information and only Leaf A/B/C information for Johto, I left it for later. When the guide comes out we should make it a little more detailed to include which specific leaf can be found on which set of routes.([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 03:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC))
:The footnotes as they are now are not fully correct. Footnote 2 claims that Fire-, Water-, Ground- and Rock-types can't get the Leaf on that specific route. However, I just got the Shining Leaf on route 33, which is marked with footnote 2, with my modest Quilava. [[User:Gwannyn|Gwannyn]] 07:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm... that's odd... that footnote comes directly from two different official guides though :/ I guess we're going to need to test both of those footnotes with different possibilities and see if the guides were wrong then. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 07:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC))
:::I can vouch for this as well. Specifically serious sudowoodo on route 33. I do see what's in common with those types though. They're all weak to water (well, except the water types, don't know what's up with them). And that's a rainy route. Perhaps the guides messed up in relation to that, as sudowoodo here gave me an unhappy face a few times before dancing for the leaf. - [[User:Trainer Hunter|Trainer Hunter]] 11:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
::::I think the Water-type is listed because Water-types get a special reaction in the rain too, just not a negative one. It would seem however, that the writers of the guides either got unlucky on those routes, or were too lazy to test it thoroughly. [[User:Gwannyn|Gwannyn]] 17:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== Leaf Crown is an accessory? ==

How does the Leaf Crown function as an accessory if there are no contests in HGSS? I don't have the games so I may have missed something but this puzzled me.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 09:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Accessories are available in HGSS to dress up Pokemon and take pictures of them in the underground path. I believe that's how it is, at least... it might be in the department store, I'm going by memory here, but there is somewhere in the games to dress up your Pokemon. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 10:03, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
::Goldenrod Underground has the dressup place. Also, I have my doubts about it being an accessory... since I got the leaf crown like five times and even when I dress up a Pokémon that's earned it, it's not showing up. Is my game on crack, or is it a lie that it's an accessory...? ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 15:53, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Actualllyy... that was kind of a mistake. I believe the Leaf Crown also only shows up on the Pokémon's status screen. Sorry. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 02:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)}}

== Aquisition Question ==
Are you required to fight wild Pokémon in the grass of a route if you want to find a Shiny Leaf there, or can you just use Repels and run around until you get it? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:You can just use repels and avoid wild encounters- so long as you're in the tall grass, it should work. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 03:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== What do the letters mean? ==

What do the letters beside the routes mean. I assume they mean that a Pokémon with one of those natures will get that specific leaf from that specific route and can only get one leaf from that route.] This needs to be stated in the article (if indeed that is what it indicates). If I am wrong could someone please explain the true meaning. Thanking you in advance.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 06:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Leaf 'A' is the leaf on the farthest left and leaf 'E' is the one that is displayed farthest right on the Trainer Memo. The letter is set per route... if someone would like to put that into better words and add it... be my guest haha... ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 08:11, 9 April 2010 (UTC))
::So you're saying that my Hasty Chikorita would need to get one Leaf off each of Routes 44, 39, 26, 18, and 11 (in any order)? I can't get five Leaves off of Route 44? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:17, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::They should all be set, so not all from one route but one from each of the listed routes (I'm 99% sure about it). If someone would like to test multiples from one route, then we can make 100% sure. Also, it has been discovered that the order the leaves are picked in has an affect on how easy/hard they are to find... that may be something interesting to add to the article if we can get some people to research the orders :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 08:33, 9 April 2010 (UTC))

== Possible for a careful fire, rock, or ground type to get the leaf crown? ==

If you have to get 1 shiny leaf from each letter, how would a careful fire, rock, or ground type get the shiny leaf for letter A? The only route in the letter A has the 2 above it, making it seem impossible. Is this how it works, or can a Pokemon get one shiny leaf for each route in the letter E? ~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 16:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:This was discussed above, in the Major Change section. It is possible for those types to get the leaf on a route with the footnote 2. I got it for my Quilava quite quickly, but my Swinub would only complain about the rain for ages before I left the route and came back, so while it is possible, it may take some time and effort, or luck. [[User:Gwannyn|Gwannyn]] 09:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Rarity ==

Are these really supposed to be rare to get? I just found out about this and pulled out my Quiet HM slave Bibarel and got all five leaves within around 20 minutes. I got them at these routes, in this order: Route 33, Route 36, Route 45, Route 7, and Route 8. -[[User:Tsanth|Tsanth]] 08:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:They can be relatively hard to get if gotten in a certain order. Specifically route 27 comes to mind as an extremely easy/hard route depending on the order you go in. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 08:25, 12 April 2010 (UTC))

== Route 12 ==

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but there isn't grass on route 12. --[[User:Swampert rox|'''Swampert''']][[User talk:Swampert rox|'''rox''']] 12:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:correct... this shiny leaf stuff is so inconsistent it's starting to get annoying -_-* ... apparently route 12 is programmed to have a leaf, but there is no grass to get it... just like route 17 is programmed to have a leaf (along with route 18 (same exact leaf)) but your Pokemon can't follow on route 17 :/ ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC))
::As such I have made a note on the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::And Lati@s is supposed to be able to appear on route 17 also, even though there is no grass. --[[User:Swampert rox|'''Swampert''']][[User talk:Swampert rox|'''rox''']] 22:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::That's different. Lati@s can be encountered while surfing (as can, oddly enough, Entei and Raikou). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::EDIT: Route 17 does have tall grass. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Uhh... ==

Just out of curiosity, what does the leaf crown do? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 04:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:It could be to prevent a Pokémon from being traded to another game and used to get another trainer star easily (by having five Shiny Leaves). But that's just my guess. --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 18:58, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==A project==
Hey, it would b really nice if each HGSS route's article told what natures could find shiny leaves there. Just thinking --[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
:You know, I totally agree. That and adding which accessories can be found there would be great additions to the route articles. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
::If someone could alter the Route Template to include which natures can find the SL, that would help. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

== route 44? ==

In the first nature set, it says route 44 is a place to find a leaf but it has NO grass patches! HELP!!!!

[[User:Katara317|Katara317]] 00:00, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
:You don't walk in the patches, you just walk with your Pokémon and talk to it until it finds it. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 00:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, there is a grassy area on Route 44. It's in the middle of the lake, though, so you have to use Surf to get there. --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 02:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

== Happiness possibly incorrect ==

This discussion is related to the following line on the article:
"Pokémon can only find Shiny Leaves when they are happy. If the Pokémon is said to "let out a roar" or "make a face like its angry", its happiness is too low for the Pokémon to find a Shiny Leaf."

This may or may not be debatable to the subject on Shiny Leaves. My Umbreon is likely at max happiness and already has the Leaf Crown, yet just moments ago refused to turn over something he found and became angry.

The line would hold more truth if it stated that a Pokémon couldn't find a Shiny Leaf while it was returning those responses, but as far as I'm concerned, your Pokémon becoming angry from not wanting to turn over an item doesn't necessarily mean it isn't happy enough to be eligible for finding a Shiny Leaf.
--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 09:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

:It seems to just be awkward wording. Because a Pokemon that is said to "let out a roar" for example would be unhappy, but could still have max happiness. But yeah, I agree with you. That needs to be changed because of the awkwardness--[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 06:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

::Can somebody just delete that part about the Pokémon having to be happy in order to find a Shiny Leaf? My Houndoom just found a Shiny Leaf on Route 33 and it was quite upset. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 04:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Cynthia

2011-02-19T22:35:13Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* B/W Battle Music */ new section

Trainer Card level

2011-02-19T22:30:42Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* {{color|{{heartgold color}}|HeartGold}} {{color|000|and}} {{color|{{soulsilver color dark}}|SoulSilver}} */

'''Trainer stars''' are stars placed on the {{ga|Trainer card}} for an achievement. They were introduced in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, and carried through into all subsequent games of Generations {{gen|III}} and {{gen|IV}}.

==Details==
For every star a {{pkmn|Trainer}} receives, their Trainer card changes color. The methods of obtaining may be performed in any order.

===[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|{{color|{{ruby color}}|Ruby}} {{color|000|and}} {{color|{{sapphire color}}|Sapphire}}]]===

{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{sapphire color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{sapphire color light}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{ruby color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|{{ruby color dark}}|Stars}}
! style="background:#{{ruby color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{ruby color dark}}|Color}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{green color}}"
| None
| Green
|- align="center" style="background:#{{bronze color}}"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| Bronze
|- align="center" style="background:#8f5950"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| Copper
|- align="center" style="background:#{{silver color}}"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| Silver
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{gold color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| style="background:#{{gold color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | Gold
|}
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{sapphire color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{sapphire color light}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{ruby color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{ruby color dark}}|Ways to Obtain}}
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Start the game
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Defeat the {{color2|000|Elite Four}} once
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Complete the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number|Hoenn Pokédex}}, excluding {{pcolor|Jirachi|000}} and {{pcolor|Deoxys|000}}
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Win all {{color2|000|Pokémon Contest|Pokémon Contests}}
|-
| style="background:#fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | Defeat 50 Trainers in a row in the {{color2|000|Battle Tower (Hoenn)|Battle Tower}}
|}
|}

===[[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|{{color|{{firered color}}|FireRed}} {{color|000|and}} {{color|{{leafgreen color}}|LeafGreen}}]]===

{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{leafgreen color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{leafgreen color light}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{firered color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|{{firered color dark}}|Stars}}
! style="background:#{{firered color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{firered color dark}}|Color}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{blue color}}"
| None
| Blue
|- align="center" style="background:#{{green color}}"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| Green
|- align="center" style="background:#{{bronze color}}"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| Bronze
|- align="center" style="background:#{{silver color}}"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| Silver
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{gold color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| style="background:#{{gold color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | Gold
|}
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{leafgreen color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{leafgreen color light}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{firered color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{firered color dark}}|Ways to Obtain}}
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Start the game
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Defeat the {{color2|000|Elite Four}} once
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Complete the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|Kanto Pokédex}}, excluding {{pcolor|Mew|000}}
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Complete the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|National Pokédex}}
|-
| style="background:#fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | Jump 200 times in {{color2|000|Pokémon Jump}} and get 200 berries in {{color2|000|Dodrio Berry Picking}}
|}
|}

==={{color2|{{emerald color}}|Pokémon Emerald Version|Emerald}}===

{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{emerald color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{emerald color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{emerald color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|{{emerald color dark}}|Stars}}
! style="background:#{{emerald color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{emerald color dark}}|Color}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{green color}}"
| None
| Green
|- align="center" style="background:#{{bronze color}}"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| Bronze
|- align="center" style="background:#8f5950"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| Copper
|- align="center" style="background:#{{silver color}}"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| Silver
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{gold color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| style="background:#{{gold color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | Gold
|}
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{emerald color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{emerald color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{emerald color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{emerald color dark}}|Ways to Obtain}}
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Start the game
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Defeat the {{color2|000|Elite Four}} once
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Complete the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number|Hoenn Pokédex}}, excluding {{pcolor|Jirachi|000}} and {{pcolor|Deoxys|000}}
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Win all {{color2|000|Pokémon Contests}}
|-
| style="background:#fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | Obtain all Gold {{color2|000|symbol|symbols}} from the {{color2|000|Battle Frontier (Generation III)|Battle Frontier}}
|}
|}

===[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|{{color|{{diamond color}}|Diamond}}{{color|000|,}} {{color|{{pearl color}}|Pearl}}]][[Pokémon Platinum Version|{{color|000| and}} {{color|{{platinum color}}|Platinum}}]]===

{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{pearl color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{platinum color light}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{diamond color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|{{diamond color dark}}|Stars}}
! style="background:#{{diamond color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{diamond color dark}}|Color}}
|- align="center" style="background:#d17a76"
| {{color|5a5a5a|None}}
| {{color|5a5a5a|Red}}
|- align="center" style="background:#73a3e3"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| {{color|5a5a5a|Blue}}
|- align="center" style="background:#d0a377"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| {{color|5a5a5a|Bronze}}
|- align="center" style="background:#b4c4c4"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| {{color|5a5a5a|Silver}}
|- align="center" style="background:#d9bc44"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| {{color|5a5a5a|Gold}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#5a5a5a; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| style="background:#5a5a5a; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{color|f9f68a|Black}}
|}
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{pearl color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{platinum color light}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{diamond color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{diamond color dark}}|Ways to Obtain}}
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Start the game
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Defeat the {{color2|000|Elite Four}} once
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Complete the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|National Pokédex}}, excluding event-exclusive Pokémon
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Win one Master Rank {{color2|000|Pokémon Super Contest}}
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Obtain the Platinum flag in {{color2|000|the Underground}}
|-
| style="background:#fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | Defeat 100 Trainers in a row in the {{color2|000|Battle Tower (Sinnoh)|Battle Tower}}
|}
|}

===[[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|{{color|{{heartgold color}}|HeartGold}} {{color|000|and}} {{color|{{soulsilver color dark}}|SoulSilver}}]]===

{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{silver color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{silver color light}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{heartgold color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|{{heartgold color dark}}|Stars}}
! style="background:#{{heartgold color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{heartgold color dark}}|Color}}
|- align="center" style="background:#d17a76"
| {{color|5a5a5a|None}}
| {{color|5a5a5a|Normal (Red)}}
|- align="center" style="background:#73a3e3"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| {{color|5a5a5a|Cobalt}}
|- align="center" style="background:#70C090"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| {{color|5a5a5a|Olive}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{poison color light}}"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| {{color|5a5a5a|Violet}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{silver color light}}"
| [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| {{color|5a5a5a|Gray}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#5a5a5a; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;" | [[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]][[File:Trainer card star.png]]
| style="background:#5a5a5a; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | {{color|f9f68a|Black}}
|}
| valign="top" |
{| align="center" style="background: #{{silver color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{silver color light}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{heartgold color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color|{{heartgold color dark}}|Ways to Obtain}}
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Start the game
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Defeat the {{color2|000|Elite Four}} once
|-
| style="background: #fff" | Complete the {{color2|000|List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|National Pokédex}}, excluding event-exclusive Pokémon
|-
| style="background:#fff;" | Defeat 100 Trainers in a row in the {{color2|000|Battle Tower (Johto)|Battle Tower}}
|-
| style="background:#fff;" | Show a Pokémon with five {{color2|000|Shiny Leaf|Shiny Leaves}} to {{color2|000|Ethan (game)|Ethan}}/{{color2|000|Lyra (game)|Lyra}}
|-
| style="background:#fff; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;" | Beat records in all 10 {{color2|000|Pokéathlon}} events
|}
|}

{{-}}
{{Project ItemDex notice}}
[[Category:Items]]
[[Category:Game mechanics]]

[[es:Estrellas]]

Frontier Access

2011-02-19T20:39:40Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Items */

{{Town infobox
|name=Frontier Access
|jpname=フロンティアフロント
|jptrans=Frontier Front
|image=Frontier Front.png
|region=Johto
|north=Battle Frontier (Generation IV)
|northalt=Battle Frontier
|south=Route 40
|regionsouth=Johto
|mapdesc=A place where people from all over come to show off their strength.
|map=MapFront.gif
|generation=4
|colordark={{tower color dark}}
|colormed={{tower color}}
|colorlight={{tower color light}}
}}

The '''Frontier Access''' (Japanese: '''フロンティアフロント''' ''Frontier Front'') is a location in [[Johto]]. It debuted in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

Located to the west of [[Olivine City]], the Frontier Access immediately connects to {{rt|40|Johto}} to the south and the {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} to the north. It is a small town situated as a staging area for challengers to the Battle Frontier, much like the [[Fight Area]]. It also features different prize redemption shops where [[Battle Points]] can be used.

==List of move tutor moves==
{{tutormv/header|hgss}}
{{tutormv|Air Cutter|Flying|cat=Special|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|AncientPower|Rock|cat=Special|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Aqua Tail|Water|cat=Physical|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Block|Normal|cat=Status|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Bounce|Flying|cat=Physical|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Bug Bite|Bug|cat=Physical|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Dive|Water|cat=Physical|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Earth Power|Ground|cat=Special|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Endeavor|Normal|cat=Physical|bp=64|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Fire Punch|Fire|cat=Physical|bp=64|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Fury Cutter|Bug|cat=Physical|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Gastro Acid|Poison|cat=Status|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Gravity|Psychic|cat=Status|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Gunk Shot|Poison|cat=Physical|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Heal Bell|Normal|cat=Status|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Helping Hand|Normal|cat=Status|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Heat Wave|Fire|cat=Special|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Ice Punch|Ice|cat=Physical|bp=64|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Icy Wind|Ice|cat=Special|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Iron Defense|Steel|cat=Status|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Iron Head|Steel|cat=Physical|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Knock Off|Dark|cat=Physical|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Last Resort|Normal|cat=Physical|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Low Kick|Fighting|cat=Physical|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Magic Coat|Psychic|cat=Status|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Magnet Rise|Electric|cat=Status|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Mud-Slap|Ground|cat=Special|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Ominous Wind|Ghost|cat=Special|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Outrage|Dragon|cat=Physical|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Pain Split|Normal|cat=Status|bp=64|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Role Play|Psychic|cat=Status|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Rollout|Rock|cat=Physical|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Seed Bomb|Grass|cat=Physical|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Signal Beam|Bug|cat=Special|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Sky Attack|Flying|cat=Physical|bp=64|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Snore|Normal|cat=Special|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Spite|Ghost|cat=Status|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|String Shot|Bug|cat=Status|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Sucker Punch|Dark|cat=Physical|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Super Fang|Normal|cat=Physical|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Superpower|Fighting|cat=Physical|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Swift|Normal|cat=Special|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Synthesis|Grass|cat=Status|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Tailwind|Flying|cat=Status|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|ThunderPunch|Electric|cat=Physical|bp=64|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Trick|Psychic|cat=Status|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Twister|Dragon|cat=Special|bp=40|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Uproar|Normal|cat=Special|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Vacuum Wave|Fighting|cat=Special|bp=48|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Worry Seed|Grass|cat=Status|bp=32|loc=Frontier Access}}
{{tutormv|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|cat=Physical|bp=64|loc=Frontier Access}}
|}
|}
{{-}}

==Poké Mart==
{{shop|Bottom}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Poké Ball|200}}|{{shopitem|Great Ball|600}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Ultra Ball|1200}}|{{shopitem|Potion|300}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Super Potion|700}}|{{shopitem|Hyper Potion|1200}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Max Potion|2500}}|{{shopitem|Full Restore|3000}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Revive|1500}}|{{shopitem|Antidote|100}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Parlyz Heal|200}}|{{shopitem|Awakening|250}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Burn Heal|250}}|{{shopitem|Ice Heal|250}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Full Heal|600}}|{{shopitem|Escape Rope|550}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Repel|350}}|{{shopitem|Super Repel|500}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Max Repel|700}}}}
{{shopfooter|multiple=yes}}
{{shop|Top}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Air Mail|50}}|{{shopitem|Net Ball|1000}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Dusk Ball|1000}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

== Items ==

{{itlisth|road}}
{{itlistbod|Rare Candy|Hidden near a Hiker|HGSS|display={{DL|Vitamin|Rare Candy}}}}
{{itlistfoot|road}}

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{tower color light}}|bordercolor={{tower color dark}}
| de=Kampfzonenzugang
| es=Acceso al Frente
| ja=フロンティアフロント
}}
{{-}}
{{stub|Location}}
{{Johto}}
{{Project Cities and Towns notice}}

[[Category:Johto locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]

[[de:Kampfzonenzugang]]
[[it:Accesso al Parco]]
[[ja:フロンティアフロント]]

Dragon Pulse (move)

2011-02-18T21:44:37Z

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accuracy=100 |
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cdesc=Increases judge's voltage by 2 |
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scdesc=Earn +2 if the Judge's Voltage goes up.|
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'''Dragon Pulse''' (Japanese: '''りゅうのはどう''' ''Dragon Pulse'') is a damage-dealing {{type2|Dragon}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation IV]].

==Effect==
===Generation IV===
Dragon Pulse inflicts damage and has no secondary effect.

===Generation V===
Dragon Pulse can hit non-adjacent opponents in [[triple battle]]s.

==Learnset==
===[[Generation IV]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Dragon}}
{{Moveentry|116|Horsea|1|Water||42|''}}
{{Moveentry|117|Seadra|1|Water||57|''}}
{{Moveentry|230|Kingdra|2|Water|Dragon|57|'''}}
{{Moveentry|333|Swablu|2|Normal|Flying|45|''}}
{{Moveentry|334|Altaria|2|Dragon|Flying|54|'''}}
{{Moveentry|380|Latias|2|Dragon|Psychic|70|'''}}
{{Moveentry|381|Latios|2|Dragon|Psychic|70|'''}}
{{Moveentry|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|75|'''||DPPt}}
{{Moveentry|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|90|'''||HGSS}}
{{Moveentry|448|Lucario|2|Fighting|Steel|47}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

====By [[TM59]]====
{{Learnlist/TM|Dragon}}
{{Moveentrytm|006|Charizard|2|Fire|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|031|Nidoqueen|2|Poison|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|034|Nidoking|2|Poison|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|059|Arcanine|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|095|Onix|2|Rock|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|111|Rhyhorn|2|Ground|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|112|Rhydon|2|Ground|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|116|Horsea|1|Water||''}}
{{Moveentrytm|117|Seadra|1|Water||''}}
{{Moveentrytm|130|Gyarados|2|Water|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|131|Lapras|2|Water|Ice}}
{{Moveentrytm|142|Aerodactyl|2|Rock|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|147|Dratini|1|Dragon||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|148|Dragonair|1|Dragon||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|149|Dragonite|2|Dragon|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|151|Mew|1|Psychic|}}
{{Moveentrytm|160|Feraligatr|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|208|Steelix|2|Steel|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|230|Kingdra|2|Water|Dragon|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|248|Tyranitar|2|Rock|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|249|Lugia|2|Psychic|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|254|Sceptile|1|Grass|}}
{{Moveentrytm|306|Aggron|2|Steel|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|329|Vibrava|2|Ground|Dragon|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|330|Flygon|2|Ground|Dragon|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|333|Swablu|2|Normal|Flying|''}}
{{Moveentrytm|334|Altaria|2|Dragon|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|350|Milotic|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|371|Bagon|1|Dragon||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|372|Shelgon|1|Dragon||'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|373|Salamence|2|Dragon|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|380|Latias|2|Dragon|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|381|Latios|2|Dragon|Psychic|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|383|Groudon|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|408|Cranidos|1|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|409|Rampardos|1|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|443|Gible|2|Dragon|Ground|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|444|Gabite|2|Dragon|Ground|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|445|Garchomp|2|Dragon|Ground|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|448|Lucario|2|Fighting|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|464|Rhyperior|2|Ground|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|483|Dialga|2|Steel|Dragon|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|484|Palkia|2|Water|Dragon|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|485|Heatran|2|Fire|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|487|Giratina|2|Ghost|Dragon|'''}}
{{Moveentrytm|487|Giratina|2|Ghost|Dragon|'''|Origin|PtHGSS}}
{{Moveentrytm|493|Arceus|1|{{Arceustype}}||{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|16='''|''}}}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

===[[Generation V]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|Dragon}}
{{Moveentry|116|Horsea|1|Water||42|''}}
{{Moveentry|117|Seadra|1|Water||57|''}}
{{Moveentry|230|Kingdra|2|Water|Dragon|57|'''}}
{{Moveentry|333|Swablu|2|Normal|Flying|50|''}}
{{Moveentry|334|Altaria|2|Dragon|Flying|62|'''}}
{{Moveentry|380|Latias|2|Dragon|Psychic|80|'''}}
{{Moveentry|381|Latios|2|Dragon|Psychic|80|'''}}
{{Moveentry|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|90|'''}}
{{Moveentry|448|Lucario|2|Fighting|Steel|60}}
{{Moveentry|610|Axew|1|Dragon||41|'''}}
{{Moveentry|611|Fraxure|1|Dragon||42|'''}}
{{Moveentry|612|Haxorus|1|Dragon||42|'''}}
{{Moveentry|633|Monozu|2|Dark|Dragon|32|'''}}
{{Moveentry|634|Jiheddo|2|Dark|Dragon|32|'''}}
{{Moveentry|635|Sazandora|2|Dark|Dragon|32|'''}}
{{Moveentry|643|Reshiram|2|Dragon|Fire|54|'''}}
{{Moveentry|646|Kyurem|2|Dragon|Ice|57|'''}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

==In other games==
[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]: Dragon Pulse is one of the attacks {{p|Rayquaza}} can use when it is fought.

==In the anime==
{{moveanime|type=dragon|exp=yes|gen=The user fires a green ball of light at the opponent.|image1=Dragonite dragon pulse.png|image1p=Dragonite|image2=Salamence Dragon Pulse.png|image2p=Salamence|image3=Gible Dragon Pulse.png|image3p=Gible|image4=Latias Dragon Pulse.png|image4p=Latias}}
{{movep|type=dragon|ms=350|pkmn=Milotic|method=Milotic's body becomes outlined in light green and it releases a pulse off its body that pushes back anything around it.}}
{{movemid|type=dragon|user=Wallace|user1=Wallace's Milotic|startcode=DP075|startname=Our Cup Runneth Over!|notes=Debut}}
{{movep|type=dragon|ms=149|pkmn=Dragonite|method=Dragonite opens its mouth and a turquiose energy ball appears in front of it. It then fires the ball at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=dragon|user=Provo|user1=Provo's Dragonite|startcode=DP118|startname=Pursuing a Lofty Goal!}}
{{movep|type=dragon|ms=373|pkmn=Salamence|method=Salamence opens its mouth and a turquiose ball appears in front of it. It then fires the ball at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=dragon|user=J's Salamence|startcode=DP129|startname=Pillars of Friendship!}}
{{movep|type=dragon|ms=443|pkmn=Gible|method=Gible opens its mouth and a turquiose ball of energy appears in front of it. It then fires the ball at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=dragon|user=Ash's Gible|startcode=DP156|startname=A Meteoric Rise to Excellence!}}
{{movep|type=dragon|ms=380|pkmn=Latias|method=Latias puts its hands together and a turquiose ball of energy appears between them. It then fires the ball at the opponent.}}
{{movebtm|type=dragon|user=Nurse Joy|user1=Nurse Joy's Latias|startcode=SS025|startname=SS025}}

==Trivia==
* In the anime, Dragon Pulse looks similar to {{m|Aura Sphere}}.
* {{p|Lucario}} is the only Pokémon who can learn this by leveling up that is not part of a Dragon evolutionary line.

==In other languages==
* Chinese: '''龍波動''' ''Lóng Bōdòng''
* Dutch: '''Draken Puls'''
* French: '''Dracochoc'''
* German: '''Drachenpuls'''
* Greek: '''Σφυγμός Δράκου'''
* Italian: '''Dragopulsar'''
* Korean: '''용의파동''' ''Yong-yi Padong''
* Norwegian: '''Dragetrykk'''
* Polish: '''Smoczy Puls'''
* Portuguese (Brazilian): '''Pulso do Dragão'''
* Spanish: '''Pulso Dragón'''

{{Hyper Voice|Dragon}}
{{Generation IV TMs}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

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Talk:AG043

2011-02-16T23:12:42Z

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2011-02-16T23:11:57Z

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User:Fimbulwinter2012

2011-02-10T01:07:08Z

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Hm. I probably won't get on Bulbapedia again until the English versions of [[Black and White]] come out.
I feel like waiting until I play the game to learn what the English names are.
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2011-02-10T01:06:28Z

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Hm. I probably won't get on Bulbapedia again until the English versions of [[Black and White]] come out. I feel like waiting until I play the game to learn what the English names are.
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Talk:Cacnea (Pokémon)

2011-02-03T03:16:32Z

Fimbulwinter2012: Created page with "Cacnea can also learn Dynamic Punch through breeding from many other Pokémon such as Sceptile and Ludicolo. Should these be added in also? --~~~~"

Cacnea can also learn Dynamic Punch through breeding from many other Pokémon such as [[Sceptile]] and [[Ludicolo]]. Should these be added in also? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:16, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Mamoswine (Pokémon)

2011-02-02T20:50:01Z

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== Help please! ==
I tried to enter Mamoswine's Platinum tutoring moves, and I screwd it up...these are the moves it learns, somebody please help me...- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Gorebyss|Gorebyss]] ([[User talk:Gorebyss|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gorebyss|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Done--[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 20:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==Roserade==
Actually, if you look at both of Roserade's front sprites, you will see that Roserade's cape is still visibly shorter on the female Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 22:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:this would be more suited for the roserade page. This is about mamoswine.--[[User:David aipom|''デビッド Aipom '']] [[User talk:David aipom|(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 ]] 07:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Atk ==

Should this be added "Mamoswine has the highest atk stat of all the Ice type Pokemon " ? . I mean Heatran has the highest spatk of all the fire type pokemon [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 03:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pryce ==

I've been told "anime =/= games", but I noticed the Pokedex entry for Platinum mention it was found frozen and unthawed and revived. I was thinking this may be a reference to [[Pryce's Piloswine]] in the anime; it was frozen when Pryce was young and found and unthawed decades later. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 06:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

:Yes, but that wasn't a Mamoswine. That was Pryce's Pilowswine. It's most likely referencing the real mammoths that we sometimes find frozen, although we can't revive them. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Category ==

can an admin remove this page from the "Pokémon with unknown English names" category by putting a $ after the name part of the template? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

== Tongue pic? ==

Apparently Mamoswine has a large tongue. Is there a picture of this anywhere? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 20:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Blaziken (Pokémon)

2011-01-30T07:23:40Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Superman Origins? */

By the way, Blaziken would make a brilliant Fighting and Flying type if it wasn't a Fire type. (Irrelevant) [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

== However, Blaziken does have more power than Infernape. ==

Can somebody rewrite that sentence? It isn't clear what stat this is supposed to be referred to. By power does it mean the Attack stat? Special Attack state? The powerful fire-type moves, clarification needed. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 23:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Blaziken resembles Brooklyn from the Gargoyles TV series and comics. ==

Aside from the similarities in color and the fact that they both have a distinctly non-human face, I really don't see the resemblance. [[User:Eeveeman133|Eeveeman133]] 13:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:I don't see it either, and I'm of the mind that these resemblances need to stop. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::I removed it. Even for a trivia section, I see no need to point out a vague similarity that was most likely unintended. [[User:Eeveeman133|Eeveeman133]] 19:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::If you removed it, it's come back. Should it be removed again? [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 19:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Done. It's been removed. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 20:14, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== flaming wrists ==

it says that Blaziken has flames spouting from its wrists like in the anime but how come none of its sprites have them?
[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 16:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Um, because they dont. It would be really cool to see one made though.[[User:Shadow lucario|Shadow lucario]] 04:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
:The Mystery Dungeon attack sprites for Blaziken have flamming wrists. [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 18:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== Blaziken's Blast Burn ==

I think it's necessary to mention that Blaziken's Blast Burn on a [[Paras (Pokémon)|Paras]] can do the most damage (hypothetical) of ALL possible situations (Lv100, with Blaze activated, in strong sunlight, SAtk +6, Metronome maximized, critical hit, as well as Lv1 Paras with Dry Skin, -6 SDef). It's over 10^10. [[User:Rxhar|Rxhar]] 10:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's because Paras has a 4x weakness to fire--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 10:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::And remember that it's not just Blaziken with the Blast Burn. Charizard, Typhlosion, and Infernape too. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually, whichever has the highest Sp.A. of those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 15:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I meant who can have Blast Burn, but I get what you mean. For base Sp. Attack it would be Blaziken with 110, while Charizard and Typhy have 109, and Infernape has 104. I haven't ever had a Blaziken with more Sp. Attack than any Charizard or Typhlosion though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, Blaziken's attack ''only'' does 13 million damage. Shuckle's rollout on Yanma does 213 million. [[User:S and T|S and T]] 01:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I thought it was a maxed defense shuckle with power trick and rollout and defence curl and all that fun stuff--[[User:Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur|Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur]] 23:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:Why would it be MAXED defense? [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 19:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
::Ignoring the fact that you've just replied to a 3 month old conversation, it needs maxed defense as {{m|Power Trick}} swaps the user's current Attack and Defense stats. It is explained a bit more {{DL|Shuckle (Pokémon)|Trivia|here}}. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:::oh [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 19:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== Double Edge ==

Can we say If a Blaziken was migrated from Fr/Lg to DPPt knowing Double Edge, then learning the other two versions it can know, then will it be the only Pokémon to know the most as of Gen IV or are there others. I've the best as I can so I need some confirmation. Thank You. {{u|Laxafett}} 12:25, 12 July 2009(UTC)

==Smeargle==
Why is Smeargle not listed as a parent in Blaziken's Egg Move table? There should be no instances where Chain breeding is "required".--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Edit Request==
Anime Pokedex EP271 Ash's Pokedex 'Blaziken, the Blaze Pokémon. Blaziken is able to easily leap over 30 story buildings with its great lower body stregnth.' Please and thank you. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 15:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
:Added. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 19:53, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Superman Origins? ==

Blaziken shares many similarities with Superman, including the ability to "leap tall buildings in a single bound". At least 30 ft tall buildings. Also they kinda share a color scheme, Blaziken has blue and yellow eyes. Another thing, in the PokePark Pad entry, it mentions him loving power and justice. Is this worth mentioning anywhere? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|"FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2"]] 01:28, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:I agree with you. It's learning Brave bird might be a reference to superman's flying. [[User:S and T|S and T]] 05:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well, I think that's probably just because it's a bird. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 23:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::No. <s>It doesn't have a big red S anywhere on its body</s> This is opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
::::How is it opinion? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 07:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Blaziken (Pokémon)

2011-01-29T23:42:37Z

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Talk:Pokémon (species)

2011-01-28T00:41:42Z

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== Magical creatures? ==

In the movie [[Arceus and the Jewel of Life]] [[Pokémon]] are repeatedly referred to as '''Magical Creatures''' a number of times. should page be added? maybe as an indirect? [[User:1ted59|1ted]][[Glitch Pokémon|59]] 01:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:I think it should be a redirect, and mentioned in this article. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== Speculation or fact? ==

That the word Pokémon was "created" by Ash and Co. The word did not exist until Ash and Co. went into the past. When they went into the past they explained to Damos what they are. After the events of the movie, Damos started using the word "Pokémon" to refer to "magical creatures". Then after centuries go by, "magical creatures" is obsolete. We still did not get an explanation on how the word "Pokémon" came in. So, if you understand what I'm saying, would this be speculation or fact? One reason to back this up is, at the beginning of the movie, when Arceus arrived, he called Pokémon "magical creature". Then at the end when Ash and Co. returned, he said did not call them "magical creatures", he called them "Pokémon".--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:You know what, you're right. Good thinking! [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::I took me a while to figure out how to write it. Well, do you think we should get other opinions?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Ask an admin, maybe. Getting other's opnions is a good idea. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:08, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Which admin is having a good day?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:09, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I actually don't think there is a signle admin online. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:12, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::There has to be.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:16, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Nate made an edit recently, but I don't think so. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::TTEchidna is on the forums.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:19, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I wasn't counting the forums. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Ok, man....this sucks, they are usually on here like all the time.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::It seems as though admins are never there when you need them. I've felt that too much. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::That's true lol--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh! Nate's on! [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:HEY GAIS can you quit spamming up the recent changes with your conversation, thanks. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but cmon, talk pages aren't for conversations... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 03:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::Sorry, yea it did get out of hand.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::If that is added to the article, methinks it would be an {{wp|Ontological paradox}}.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::::oops... As I said MB, Nate's on. Ask him. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::The word "Pokémon" was no more created by Ash than Johnny B. Goode was created by Marty McFly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Also, if you need us and we're on the forums, a quick VM will work better than flooding the Recent Changes.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 03:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, I put the "___" b/c i could not think of a word. I know they did not create it. Ok, what about we just put that it is still unknown where the term "Pokémon" came from.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:36, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== 494? ==

494 species of Pokémon? afaik there are only 493...? ?_?
[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 08:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
*I'm confused too - maybe someone counted Shaymin's sky forme as a whole new Pokémon or something. I'll change it to 493 for now. --[[User:DekuScrubby|DekuScrubby]] 14:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:*I think I found the problem - because it uses a formula to count the number of Pokémon which counts the number of pages under the Generation I/II/III/IV (and V for some reason) categories, it's counting [[User talk:TTEchidna/Fix it|this]] user talk page as well. This formula seems a bit needless - wouldn't it make more sense just to type the number in? It doesn't change that often. --[[User:DekuScrubby|DekuScrubby]] 14:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::Basically, it's so we don't have to update it manually every time a single Gen V Pokémon is revealed from now until <enter Gen V games name here>. That, and Echy loves fancy coding more than life itself. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:03, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

OOoookay, now there are 511 species. {{unsigned|Malake256}}
:[[Template talk:Numpkmn|Refer to this discussion here.]] Also please sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:24, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== 500! ==

There are now 500 known Pokémon species. I'd add it to the article but, well, it's protected. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 09:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yep, we know. This page actually updates automatically so no need to point out 501, 502, etc. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:37, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== well.. ==

i'm surprised no one had done so yet, but 515 is the number now. - [[User:MatoroBro0107|MB17]] [[User:MatoroBro0107|MatoroBro0107]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's currently locked. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:24, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
::It calculates based on categories. Once we have pages on the new ones it will update.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
:::There's 523 now! But yes, we might as well wait until they have their own articles. If you want to know how many species of Pokemon there are at any given time, there's a rather nifty counter on the Bulbanews front page. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 10:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Project ==

Should this be under Project Pokédex? It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 01:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Plural Species Names ==

When you are referring to two or more of a species, for example [[Dratini]], would you say "Oh wow, look at those Dratini!" or, "Oh wow, look at those Dratinis!"? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 00:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:It stays the same as the singular.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
::So like sheep? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon (species)

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Talk:Karl

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==Move==
[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/wp-content/images/1008/kuruto.jpg The GameFreak art blog] (not "A Japanese website", btw) also says that his name is Kuruto.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:No. They do this all the time in pictures links. They tend not to use the trademarked romaji. Especially with Pokémon cards. Pikachu. Nyaasu. Kamekkusu. Burakki. Etc. Picture links are not a good source of confirmation. The English version is coming out soon anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Kurt's Hat ==

Is the design on Kurt's hat supposed to be a [[Woobat]]? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh jeez, was that already there? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Karl

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Talk:Imprison (move)

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== Imprisoning Imprison ==
Does anyone know if Imprison locks opponent's use of Imprison?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 23:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
* I'm fairly certain it does. [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 11:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

== Kyurem Level ==

Under the Gen-V pokemon that learn Imprison by level up, it shows two different levels for Kyurem, 8 and 64. Which one is the real one? Both? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:21, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness

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== Riolu ==

Why was this pokemon rejected in pre-development? [[User:Wimmah|Wimmah]] 04:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:If we knew it would've been up there. I myself find it pretty weird, especially keeping a rather non-mascottish Pokémon like Skitty instead of introducing Riolu.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::Was Riolu really confirmed to be a starter Pokémon? I thought people were just assuming. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 14:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I thought it was just fan guessing. Do any materials actually back this up? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 05:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
::::No Riolu is not a starter Pokémon but rather a version exclusive. You can check out {{p|Riolu}} for more details. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 19:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::We know that. This is about the (apparently false) claim that Riolu was going to be one but the developers changed their mind during development. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Release ==
I thought that (according to Bulbanews) that this game had been released. Why has this page not been updated? [[User:Shiny_Giratina]] 01:27, 9 October 2007

It's not coming out here til June? Oh man ([[User:GT4GTR|--●[[User:GT4GTR|'''GT4GTR''']] [[User talk:GT4GTR|''/ talk /'']]]] 01:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC))

== Event Pokémon ==
I don't under stand why some legendaries need a WM code to access. Also, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have to hold an item to get a lot of legendaries. And, without WM, you cannot get all 3 legendary birds.
:I don't understand why you can't get Arceus normally without an AR or an event. See. It's legendary. You're not supposed to find them as easily as Rattata and stuff. Geez. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 00:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

The Seven Trasures? Code only places shouldn't be a setback for you. You obviously have the internet, and the codes are right on the article, what are you complaining about? And Arceus and Shaymin aren't in the game, at least, not in the USA. I think it was because Arceus and Shaymin haven't been officaly released here yet. And the search with the Secret Slab/Mystery part isn't that hard, is it? It isn't like the first game, where everyone except Mew and the Regis had thier own dungon.[[User:Pipoleon|Pip]] 20:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dungeons ==

Should the dungeon list be moved to [[Pokémon World (Mystery Dungeon)]]? That article fills the role for the first game and I assume it is the same world, if a different continent. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 20:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it's the same island with a different time period, but that's just me. But yeah, I think the dungeons should be moved out of here. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 23:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think they're the same island. Look at the maps of the two (if you can find them) While they show some similarites, they don't look too much alike. --[[User:Chimchar007|Chimchar007]] 05:20, 08 April 2008 (UTC)

== Sheimi and Arceus ==

So you've dug into the coding and found neither? {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:41 10 Mar 2008}}}'''
:The DS card format makes it possible to add more data later, so I'm not too worried about it.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 12:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Mabye the didn't add them to the game for a good reason, like, hackers would be able to Recruit Arceus and Shaymin if they did... --[[User:Regi Trainer|Regi Trainer]] Friday, March 14, 2008

== difference? ==

Whats the difference between the two versions?Darkmaster0 02:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Version-Exclusive Pokémon. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

There are a couple of version-exclusive items. [[User:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 10:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

InuMimi is right. There are version-exclusive items, like the Vile Seed in Time, and the Violent Seed in Darkness. [[User:SharKing|SharKing]] 19:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)SharKing

== Game Exclusive Pokemon ==

Can someone whith the japanese games make a list of the game exclusive pokemon.--[[User:23-03-33|Tommy]] 18:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:[[Version-exclusive Pokémon#Time and Darkness|We already have that.]] --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 19:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== No Shekachu? ==

Making Pikachu male only? You think it wouldn't be so hard to come up with a 16th nature for the game. Especially since there's 25 in the 'normal' Pokémon games.{{unsigned|Chikoquil}}
:It's not such a big deal. They probably just didn't want to deal with the triviality of removing maybe two pixels from Pikachu's tail. Besides, with Skitty it balances out as each sex having an exclusive Pokémon.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, even so, don't you think that maybe they could have put the male tag on something that females are far less likely to want to be? Like Munchlax, for example? --[[User:Chikoquil|Chikoquil]] 18:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::: They have gender differences in game, actually. Part of the differences are certain stats are raised in certain genders. Ex: Male Pikachus have a higher critical-hit rate. Female Pikachus have a higher evasion rate. --[[User:Chimchar007|Chimchar007]] 05:12, 08 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: And it turns out that a Pokémon Attitude (Hasty) was left out, so it IS possible to get Female Pikachu and Male Skitty. I took the liberty of updating the list. --[[User:Chikoquil|Chikoquil]] 23:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::It's true; I'm a girl and I'm a Pikachu. Yes the personality is hasty. [[User:ShinyPachirisu|ShinyPachirisu]] 01:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

==Description==

Is this nessesary to add?If so ,this is odd to copy from the offical website,becausue of the copyright..[[User:Izayoi|Izayoi]] 07:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

==Stoneplate/Enigma Part==
Does anyone know where I can find them?'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''

:Certain prospect missions let you find one. You can also get them as rewards from generated wonder mails. I'll post the link for the generator when I find it. [[User:ShinyPachirisu|ShinyPachirisu]] 20:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Boss order is all wrong... ==

Im playing the game and i noted the boss list is all wrong

# Zubat and Koffing
# Drowzee
# Groudon (Fake)
# Luxio (Multiple) and Luxray
# Spiritomb <=======
# Kabutops and Omastar (2) <=====
# Dusknoir and Sableye (Multiple) <=======
# Primal Dialga <=========
# Uxie <========
# Mesprit

The pointed bosses i never fought, and i played until defeating mesprit, so i think the list is wrong, someone fix it or tell me how i can fight the pointed bosses.

[[User:Andre Zoio|Andre Zoio]] 16:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:That's odd...there's not many walkthroughs up right now, but I'll see if I can find anything pertaining to the bosses. Thanks for pointing out the inconsistency, though. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::Now i broke grovyle's face and he isnt listed as a boss, i think i will make a new list myself...
[[User:Andre Zoio|Andre Zoio]] 21:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Well If you guys need help with the bosses I can help you I beat the story mode in the English PMD2 [[User:Happizelpom|Happizelpom]] 04:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)Happizelpom

I have played this game plenty of times and here is a list of the bosses in order that they are battled prior to beating the main story line:

1. Zubat & Koffing 
2. Drowzee 
3. Groudon (Fake) 
4. 8 Luxio + 1 Luxray 
5. Mesprit (Note 1) 
6. Groovyle 
7. Spiritomb (in future) 
8. Kabutops & Omastar Brothers) 
9. Dusknoir + 6 Sableye 
10. Primal Dialga (Note 1 & 2) 

Note 1: You can recruit Boss #5 & #10 after beating Primal Dialga. (they are both 100% recruit rate.) 
Note 2: You battle regular Dialga the second time around.

[[User:drichard08|drichard08]]

==Gender==
Isn't gender new In this game?I know it was in the last version but they show gender more in this verison. '''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''

I've noticed. Because there are now certain species of Pokémon that have different evolutions depending on the gender (i.e Female Burmy evolves into Wormadam, Male evolves into Mothim), gender is becoming an important factor.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 19:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Plus also, if the pokemon have gender differences in Pokemon Diamond and Pokemon Pearl (i.e. female Pikachu has a heart-shaped tail, female Venusaur has a yellow seed in her back) you will see those in this game. [[User:drichard08|drichard08]]

==Wonder Mail Code==
Should the code @54#T36MJ93PWQM&F&8T7QFX be added it from if you text Dungeon at _______ it'll reply and give that code and the mission is to rescue a Charizard '''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''

:that is just a mission to get almost free reviver seeds
[[User:Andre Zoio|Andre Zoio]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah I know(as of like days ago..)'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''

===New W.C===
Pokemon.com are realseing W.Codes from to today to May,8th
Here's todays:Butterfree Mission:N04K +HCW &TF&
7M16 KHMH FR@% '''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''

May 6,Beedril: lCQ-R Y369 6&W3
P28P 3NXM @&W9 '''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''

== Australian Release Date ==

Come On! Does Anyone know when it comes out in Australia? All the other regions are there but Australia's blank. {{Unsigned|GT4GTR}}
:Korea is still blank. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 13:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Skitty==
"Skitty - *: These Pokémon may not be selected as a partner." O RLY? I had her as a partner on my NDS before. That's not true that Skilly cannot be selected as a partner. - [[User:Jerzy232|Jerzy232]] 11:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Was that on Blue Rescue Team? Because I never see any of the Odd ones out (Non-Starters) in the partner list... [[User:Pipoleon|Pip]] 20:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The only way that you can have a normal type in the original team, you have to become that pokemon. the Normal Types (Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers) and the Normal/Fighting/Ground types (Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Blue/Red Rescue team) cannot be chosen as partners. If you want to use those types as partner in dungeons, you have to recruit them, then after you beat Rayquaza (Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red/Blue) or Graduate from the Guild (Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers), then you can change them around. [[User:drichard08|drichard08]]

==Correction/Codes==
Shouldn't a page be made with just wonder mail codes? And I corrected the "Unknown Code" section. [[User:Pipoleon|Pip]] 11:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you talking about the Pokémon {{p|Unown}}? 'Cause that's how it's spelled. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 14:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No, I was referring to the section that didn't know what dungeons the pokemon went to that were only in the Seven Treasure Dungons[[User:Pipoleon|Pip]] 20:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up! [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 20:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Some of the Pokemon.com event codes are no longer availible there. Anyone up for adding them to the list here? [[User:Sailorleo|Sailorleo]] 13:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== Plot Summary ==
Shouldn't the plot be moved somewhere else or is it fine the way it is? [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 14:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Shrinking it would be ideal. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

That's what I think. It's too large. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 15:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, it needs to be shrunk, or moved to a new page. If moved, then we can make a shorter summary and make a link to the page with the detailed plot. =/ The article is ''42 kilobytes long''! - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 03:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
::So, [[Brock]] is about 48... ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 03:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::: I totally agree with SpontaneousCombusken. --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad]] [[User talk:Usyflad10|10''']] 23:35, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

==IQ Skills==

Whatever happened to Super Mobile? It was fun busting through walls and walking on any surface. All Terrain Hiker still allows for walking on all surfaces, but the walls crashing before your mighty jelly bean fueled brain was fun... [[User:Pipoleon|Pip]] 21:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

:'''Super Mobile''' (re-named '''Absolute Mover''') is still an available IQ Skill in PMD:T&D, however it can only be obtained by {{p|Palkia}}. [http://www.serebii.net/dungeon2/iqskills/J.shtml] (However as the info I have is from Serebii.net, I won't claim it as 100% accurate)- [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 19:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::There are many twelve ranks of IQ in PMD2, labelled A to L. Absolute Mover is in two of these ranks. Most of the starters are unable to get Absolute Mover as they all don't have the right rank. Ranks tend to be constant through an evolution line.'''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:04 15 Aug 2008'''''

== Hero/Partner ==

Is the same hero/partner post-story relatoinship problem from the first game still there, or did they fix it so that the hero and partner still remember eachother (you know, there was the problem where the partner and hero become just any other pokemon of their respective species, kinda depressing)? Either way, we should mention it.
:What do you mean? Way I see it, Grovyle and PMD1's partner and the hero got turned back into a human. Soon, the Time Accident turned him back into a Pokémon. Still...WTF? This is completely useless. -asks for deletion- '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''08:48 4 Jul 2008'''''

::What he's referring to is how at the end of Pokémon on Fushigi Dungeon 1, the game treated the player and partner as if they were just more generic pokémon. The post-game plot ignores them entirely, the current team leader is the oen that goes into town, not the player, and you could even permanently delete the player pokémon from the Rescue Team.

::And to answer the question, the player and partner remain special pokémon in the postgame of Pokémon no Fushigi Dungeon 2, the plot continues to focus on them, and they are the only pokémon that can go out into Treasure Town. [[User:Sailorleo|Sailorleo]] 19:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Music? ==

The music for this game is awesome, just like MD1. But is there any music/track info for it though? --[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 16:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I've been trying to find the soundtracks but no luck yet. I hope someone uploads them sometime...or if they're ever avalible for purchase, i'd buy them for sure. [[User talk:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 10:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I've seen one around online, but I'm not sure if it's a rip of the game or an actual soundtrack release, though. [[User:Sailorleo|Sailorleo]] 20:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

(drakonezduskmoon) i've been wondering the exact same thing. I'd really like to stop having to release Dialga just to hear that cool battle music >_<

== Legends in Multiple Dungeons ==
i know that there are some legendary Pokémon like Mewtwo that are found in more then one dungeon. Mewtwo is found at Dark Crater and Aegis Cave. Does that mean you can recruit more than one Mewtwo? [[User talk:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 10:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
:I doubt there are five Darkrai. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''gar''']] 19:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Version Exclusives: Celebi/Mewtwo ==

Like the other version exclusives, is it possible to recruit these Pokémon in the games they are not found in? If it isn't shouldn't it be noted in the article that it is only possible to recruit these legendaries in their respective versions? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 11:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:While there isn't a known code, if you connect to Nintendo Wi-Fi before September 1st, you'll unlock missions for both legendaries, as well as the missions for the [[Mystery Part]] and [[Secret Slab]]. Source- [http://www.pokemon.com/#dungeon2_15 http://www.pokemon.com/#dungeon2_15] --[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 18:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
::It should be noted that these were not recruit-reward missions. As far as I can tell at this time, it is still impossible to actually recruit the cross-version exclusive pokémon. [[User:Sailorleo|Sailorleo]] 20:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

== Art ==
Is the art going to be put on the pokémons pages? Its the most up to date artwork Bar Platinum.--[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Foomta? ==

What is the Foom-Ta expression that wigglytuff says?
[[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 23:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

:I don't know. Maybe it's just something the creators thought would be cute for it to say? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 16:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually it is YOOM-TAH! Plus it is a sort of battle cry. [[User:Liz0910]]

== Proposal ==

Assuming I spelt it right, how about instead of that storyline filling up the whole page, how about a separate page for it at "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2/Storyline"? Like the movies. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 04:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== Legendaries ==

So do legendaries always join your party after defeating them if you have space in the party?(assuming you can recruit them at the time) [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:No, they don't always join you if you have space. Like any other Pokémon, it can take a few tries for it to join your Exploration Team. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 21:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

There are some legendaries that join your team after you battle them after beating Primal Dialga if you go to the dungeon they are in (Hint: the leader of the team doesn't have to deliver the final blow, it will still join you if you partner delivers the final blow. An example would be Dialga, because only you and your partner can go there.) the legendaries are: 1. Uxie (Location: Steam Cave) 2. Mesprit (Location: Underground Lake) 3. Azelf (Location: Crystal Lake) 4. Dialga (Location: Temporal Tower) 5. Regigigas (Location: Aegis Cave) 6. Palkia (Location: Spacial Rift) There does not need to be enough room in the party to recruit, they just ask to join, say yes, give nickname (if you like) and it will automatically go to Chimecho Assembly. Remember, these legendaries are found at the end of the dungeons mentioned.[[User:drichard08|drichard08]]

== Deleting data ==

''"This is the third game to feature the player having to delete the saved data before starting a new game, '''with the first two being Pokémon Mystery Dungeon and Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions."'''''
That last bit isn't true- Diamond and Pearl do not require you to delete your saved data. I don't want to start a revert war so I pointed this out first. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:If you want to save they do. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 23:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yup, I've restarted my game a couple of times before on {{gameabbrev|D/P|Diamond|Pearl}}, and they all required me to delete my previous game before getting to save. [[Special:Contributions/EspeonA|—]] '''[[User_talk:EspeonA|e]][[User:EspeonA|A]]''' 23:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:::All of the main series games have had that issue. The unique thing about mystery dungeon 1+2 is that you cant even start a new game without deleting your old data, even if you do not save it. {{unsigned|Cadellin}}
::::In DPPt that is the case. You must delete before restarting. Older games you delete on the first save. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Titles... ==

for the Pokémon, like Grovyle and Dusknoir...should it be <insert Pokémon here> (character) instead? Much easier to search and etc... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
: *cough* [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::Pikachu (character) and, oh look. {{AP|Problem|Pikachu}}. Heck {{AP|problem already|Grovyle}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't quite see your point, but maybe there should still be a shorter title. Maybe (game)? Then again, they don't appear only in the games, now do they... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::::<Pokémon here> (PMD2)? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
seems logical to me.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I am the Void 22:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== There is actually six Time Gears! ==

Should we mention in the trivia that there is six Time Gears in the game? Because besides the three guarded by the lake trio, your partner mentions that there is also a Time Gear in a hidden altar in a volcano along with the other two in Treeshroud Forest and Underground Lake. That would make six time gears, yet the game and anime only revolves around five of them. Also, another thing I noticed is that in the game, Wigglytuff refers to Lapras as a "he" meaning Lapras is male, but yet in the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon explorers of Sky anime, Lapras has a feminine voice.--[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 03:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
:The Underground Lake time gear ''is'' guarded by the lake trio. '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 03:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't mean the one guarded by Mesprit. There is a different underground lake. Grovyle gets that one after the one in Treeshroud Forest. In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Darkness anime, Grovyle is seen taking it first. There is Time Gears in Fogbound Lake, Crystal Lake, the Undergound Lake, Treeshroud Forest, that other Underground Lake (Don't remember the name of it, but not accessible as a dungeon), and that volcano altar.--[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 04:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:Are you sure? I don't remember hearing about a volcano altar. And remember that just because somebody has a girlish voice in the anime, it doesn't mean that they're a girl. A lot of people thought that [[Anabel]] was a guy until people said "she" in the anime, even though she has an obviously feminine name. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I am 100% sure. There is six time gears, but only five are involved with the story. Remember in the part of the game when the partner mentions time gears, spoken of just before Grovyle is first seen taking a time gear? The partner mentions a time gear in Treeshroud Forest, that one hidden lake, and even says there is a "hidden altar inside a volcano". The partner mentioned three time gears, but didn't mention the other three time gears that are in areas guarded by the lake trio. Also, at the title screen on Explorers of Darkness, there is a time gear in the background in a volcanic region, as opposed to time, which showed a time gear in the Treeshroud Forest.--[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 06:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

:I still don't remember, but I have Time, so you get the benefit of the doubt. Indent with : too please. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:50, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
::I have Darkness and I can confirm the Time Gear background on the title screen that looks like a volcano-y place, sort of like where Darkrai's final battle is. I don't remember the hidden altar reference though... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrUnbE7GFk Here], in that random video, 20 seconds in, you can see it. '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 13:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Watch this video. This video mentions the time gear at the hidden volcano altar. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAYd0T9UcVE Here] --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 00:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

:Do you know if it's still in PMD: Sky? Like, at least mentioned? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't have Sky, so I don't know. --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 07:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

== TMs ==

Is every TM in the TDS series? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:10, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Roserade (Pokémon)

2011-01-19T03:01:22Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* By {{pkmn|breeding}} */

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height-ftin=2'11" |
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'''Roserade''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ロズレイド''' ''Roserade'') is a dual-type {{2t|Grass|Poison}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Roselia}} when exposed to a {{evostone|Shiny Stone}}. It is the final form of {{p|Budew}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Roserade’s appearance incorporates features of roses and decorative dress, such as masquerade. The three spikes that Roserade had on its head when it was a {{p|Roselia}} have been replaced with "hair" made of white rose petals. Roserade no longer has a leafy skirt, but a leafy, green cape instead, with a yellow, collar-like bangle on its neck. The ‘cape’ pattern reaches toward the back of Roserade’s head, in spiky, sepal-like extensions on the 'hair'. This Pokémon species has a dark-green ‘mask’ pattern over their eyes, which possess red irises and have yellow eyelids. The lower portion of its face is light green, and the single roses that Roserade had in its hands when it was a Roselia have now become bouquets of roses; red for its right hand and blue for its left. Its limbs and underside, which has a thin vertical stripe running down it, are light green, and its upper chest, chin, and the upper portion of its face are dark green in coloration. Its feet end with yellow tips.

====Gender differences====
A female has a longer "cape" than a male.

====Special abilities====
Roserade can generally use any attacks that its pre-evolutions can use, but with greater strength. Roserade is able to learn how to perform {{m|Weather Ball}}. As a fully evolved Pokémon, Roserade can use {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}. Its hands contain toxins, different ones for each limb, that allow it to use {{m|Poison Sting}} and through one of its capable abilities, {{a|Poison Point}}, which {{status|poison}}s the foe upon contact. Roserade, like many other {{type2|Grass}}s, can utilize the [[weather conditions#Intense sunlight|sun]] in order to use moves like {{m|Synthesis}} and {{m|SolarBeam}}. Roserade naturally learn {{m|Sweet Scent}}, which may account for how it attracts insects. Roserade are also capable of launching many moves to inflict status problems on its foes. Roserade are also capable of many other Grass-type moves such as {{m|Magical Leaf}} and {{m|Energy Ball}}. Roserade are able to heal themselves through moves such as {{m|Mega Drain}} and {{m|Giga Drain}}.

===Behavior===
Roserade tend to have quite a deceptive nature. It lures its prey to it with a {{m|Sweet Scent|pleasant aroma}} and kills the victim with thorny vines hidden within the bouquets it holds in its arms, or by spewing poison. The more toxic it is, the sweeter its aroma. Roserade tend to stay motionless with its arms crossed, which allows its prey to come to it.

===Habitat===
Roserade live in fields and woods with temperate climates.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
Since Roserade is a plant-based Pokémon, it also nourishes itself through {{wp|photosynthesis}}. Roserade probably eats insects that are attracted to the scent of flowers like the ones Roserade has.

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===
[[Image:BarryRoserade.png|thumb|250px|[[Barry (anime)|Barry's]] Roserade in the anime]]
Roserade first appeared in ''[[DP025|Oh Do You Know The Poffin Plan!]]'', under the ownership of [[Forsythia]]. Forsythia first met her Roserade when it was a Budew, where she befriended it and gave it a {{DL|Scarf|Red Scarf|red scarf}}. This Roserade, however, was very shy and timid. Roserade also protects Forsythia's garden from being ravaged by Team Rocket. Forsythia's Roserade also made a brief appearance in ''[[DP150|Unlocking the Red Chain of Events!]]'' alongside Forsythia and her {{p|Lotad}}.

Roserade made another appearance in ''[[DP037|The Grass Menagerie!]]'' when Ash was battling [[Gardenia]] for his {{badge|Forest}}. Roserade was able to beat Ash's {{AP|Turtwig|Torterra}} with a {{m|Weather Ball}} before being beaten by his {{TP|Dawn|Aipom|Ambipom}}.

[[Drew]] is revealed to have evolved his {{p|Roselia}} into a {{TP|Drew|Roserade}} by {{an|May}} in ''[[DP076|A Full Course Tag Battle!]]'', and was first seen in "person" watching the [[Wallace Cup]] with Drew in ''[[DP079|Strategy With a Smile!]]''.

Another Roserade appeared in ''[[DP101|Barry's Busting Out All Over!]]'', this time under the ownership of {{an|Barry}}. It was used in his {{pkmn|battle}} against Ash. It defeated {{AP|Chimchar|Infernape}} with a barrage of {{m|Poison Jab}}s but tied with {{AP|Gliscor}} from one of Gliscor's {{m|X-Scissor}}s. It appeared again in ''[[DP110|Steeling Peace of Mind!]]''.

In ''[[DP176|Coming Full-Festival Circle!]]'', [[Nando]] was shown to have evolved his {{p|Roselia}} into a {{TP|Nando|Roserade}}. It appeared briefly alongside his {{p|Sunflora}}. Nando's Roserade battled against [[Ash's Staraptor]] in ''[[DP183|League Unleashed!]]'' but was defeated.

===Minor appearances===
A Roserade appeared in ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'' as one of the Pokémon attacked by {{mov|Darkrai|Darkrai|10}} and being treated by [[Alicia]] in [[Alice]]'s flashback of her grandmother. It was put to sleep by Darkrai's {{m|Dark Void}} and later seen listening to Alicia play [[Oración]] alongside the other Pokémon Darkrai had attacked.

Another one appeared in ''[[DP161|Yes, in Dee Dee It's Dawn!]]'', participating in a Double Performance in the [[Daybreak Town]] Contest.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP025|Roserade|Ash's Pokédex|Roserade, the Bouquet Pokémon. Roserade is the evolved form of Roselia. It lures enemies with its sweet aroma, and attacks with dancer-like elegance.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
Roserade appears in ''[[Pokémon Adventures]]'', in the {{chap|Diamond & Pearl}}. [[Gardenia]] used a Roserade alongside her {{p|Cherubi}} in a [[double battle]] against {{adv|Platinum}}'s [[Platinum's Empoleon|Prinplup]] and [[Platinum's Rapidash|Ponyta]]. Although it quickly gained the upper hand by knocking out the latter using its poison whips and badly beat the former using combinations of {{m|Grass Knot}} and the aforementioned move, both ultimately became her downfall when Platinum took advantage of the cover that the knots gave and the holes that the whips created to deliver a finishing {{m|Blizzard}} that defeated both her Pokémon.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Roserade (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]]: Roserade is a member of the legendary Exploration Team, [[List of Mystery Dungeon characters#Team Raider|Team Raider]], alongside {{p|Gallade}} and {{p|Rhyperior}}.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex |
type=grass |
type2=poison |
gen=4 |
diamonddex=It attracts prey with a {{m|Sweet Scent|sweet aroma}}, then downs it with thorny whips hidden in its arms. |
pearldex=With the movements of a dancer, it strikes with whips that are densely lined with poison thorns. |
platinumdex=Each of its hands contains different toxins, but both hands can jab with near-fatal power. |
hgssdex=Its sweet aroma attracts prey. Then it spews poison. The more toxic it is, the sweeter its aroma. |
bwdex={{tt|りょうての　どくの　せいぶんは　それぞれ　ちがう　しゅるいだが　どっちを　さされても　しにかける。|Each of its hands contains different toxins, but both hands can jab with near-fatal power.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=grass |
type2=poison |
gen=4 |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Roselia}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Roselia}} |
hgssarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Roselia}} |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Roselia}} |
gen5ex=white |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Grass
|type2=Poison
|md2=[[Mystery Jungle]] (B1-B29)
|ranger2=[[Vien Forest]]
|scramble=[[Silent Forest]]
|ranger3=[[Sky Fortress]]
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=grass|
type2=poison|
HP= 60 |
Attack= 70 |
Defense=55 |
SpAtk= 125 |
SpDef= 105 |
Speed= 90 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=grass
|type2=poison
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=grass|
type2=poison|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric=50 |
Psychic=200 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Roserade|Grass|Poison|5|4}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Weather Ball|Normal|Special|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Poison Sting|Poison|Physical|15|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Mega Drain|Grass|Special|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Magical Leaf|Grass|Special|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Sweet Scent|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Roserade|Grass|Poison|5|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Roserade|Grass|Poison|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM09|Venom Shock|Poison|Special|65|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Canon|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Roserade|Grass|Poison|5|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Roserade|Grass|Poison|5|4}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|187|Hoppip}}{{MSP|188|Skiploom}}{{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|331|Cacnea}}{{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|546|Monmen}} {{MSP|547|Erufuun}}{{MSP|556|Marakacchi}}|Cotton Spore|Grass|Status|—|85|40|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|274|Nuzleaf}}{{MSP|275|Shiftry}}|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|043|Oddish}}{{MSP|044|Gloom}}{{MSP|045|Vileplume}}{{MSP|182|Bellossom}}{{MSP|046|Paras}}{{MSP|047|Parasect}} {{MSP|187|Hoppip}}{{MSP|188|Skiploom}}{{MSP|189|Jumpluff}}{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|285|Shroomish}} {{MSP|286|Breloom}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|407|Roserade}}{{MSP|387|Turtwig}}{{MSP|388|Grotle}}{{MSP|389|Torterra}} {{MSP|495|Snivy}}{{MSP|496|Janovy}}{{MSP|497|Jalorda}}{{MSP|546|Monmen}}{{MSP|547|Erufuun}}{{MSP|556|Marakacchi}} {{MSP|590|Tamagetake}}{{MSP|591|Morobareru}}|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|75|100|10||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|191|Sunkern}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|315|Roselia}}{{MSP|407|Roserade}}{{MSP|459|Snover}}{{MSP|460|Abomasnow}}|GrassWhistle|Grass|Status|—|55|15}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}}{{MSP|002|Ivysaur}}{{MSP|003|Venusaur}}{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}} {{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}}{{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|182|Bellossom}}{{MSP|192|Sunflora}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}} {{MSP|387|Turtwig}}{{MSP|388|Grotle}}{{MSP|389|Torterra}}{{MSP|495|Snivy}}{{MSP|496|Janovy}}{{MSP|497|Jalorda}}|Leaf Storm|Grass|Special|140|90|5|Cute|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|286|Breloom}}|Mind Reader|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Smart|1}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|043|Oddish}}{{MSP|044|Gloom}}{{MSP|045|Vileplume}}{{MSP|182|Bellossom}}{{MSP|114|Tangela}}{{MSP|465|Tangrowth}} {{MSP|152|Chikorita}}{{MSP|153|Bayleef}}{{MSP|154|Meganium}}{{MSP|270|Lotad}}{{MSP|271|Lombre}}{{MSP|272|Ludicolo}} {{MSP|357|Tropius}}|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|331|Cacnea}}{{MSP|332|Cacturne}}{{MSP|556|Marakacchi}}{{MSP|597|Tesshido}}{{MSP|598|Nattorei}}|Pin Missile|Bug|Physical|14|85|20|Cool|2}}
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====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
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===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=grass |
type2=poison |
ndex=407 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-12 |
iq=H |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Grass |
assist2=Grass |
field2=Cut |
field2power=3 |
browser2=It shoots leaves and needles. It also scatters pollen to attack. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Grass |
assist3=Grass |
field3=Cut |
field3power=3 |
browser3=It launches leaf blades around itself. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox
|family=Incense
|sprite1=406
|name1=Budew
|type1-1=Grass
|type2-1=Poison
|evotype1=Happiness
|incense=Rose Incense
|time1=daytime
|sprite2=315
|name2=Roselia
|type1-2=Grass
|type2-2=Poison
|evotype2=Stone
|evostone2=Shiny Stone
|sprite3=407
|name3=Roserade
|type1-3=Grass
|type2-3=Poison
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
type2=poison|
gen=4|
gender=both|
ndex=407|
name=Roserade|
}}

==Trivia==
[[Image:RosieEnglish.png|right|thumb|Rosie's Roserade Costume (English Version)]]
* Since no leveling up is required to evolve it from Roselia, and breeding Budew is optional, Roserade is one of the two fully evolved three-stage Pokémon capable of legitimately being level 1 ({{p|Porygon-Z}} is the other).
* Despite Pokédex entries noting that Roserade attacks prey with thorny vines hidden within the bouquets it holds in its arms, Roserade (as well as {{p|Budew}} and {{p|Roselia}}) cannot learn {{m|Vine Whip}} or {{m|Power Whip}}.
* Roserade is tied with {{p|Exeggutor}} for the highest Special Attack of all {{type2|Grass}}s.
**Roserade is also tied with {{p|Sunflora}} for the lowest base Defense of all fully-evolved Grass-types.

===Origin===
Roserade appears to be based on a combination of a bouquet of {{wp|roses}}, and a mysterious patron of a {{wp|masquerade ball}}, in which masks would be worn to hide the identity of the participants. Its mask, cape and the mention of its 'movements of a dancer' in its Pokédex entry seem to confirm this.

====Name origin====
Roserade's name is probably a portmanteau of ''rose'' and ''masquerade'', due to the appearance of wearing a mask. Its name is also an anagram of 'a red rose' - however, this is probably a coincidence, as Roserade has a red ''and'' a blue rose for hands.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Roserade
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Roserade
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 로즈레이드 ''Roserade''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 羅絲雷朵 ''Luó Sī Léi Duǒ'' - Transliteration of its Japanese name. The last character 朵 is also a {{wp|classifier_(linguistics)|classifier}} for flowers.

==Related articles==
*[[Drew's Roserade]]
*[[Nando's Roserade]]

{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | type=grass | type2=poison | prevnum=406 | nextnum=408 | prev=Budew | next=Cranidos }}
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User:Fimbulwinter2012

2011-01-18T02:40:46Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Intro */

I don't know what to say on my userpage, so I'm just going to put a bunch of usertags on.
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{{User Ball|Luxury}}
{{User Night|635}}
{{User Rain}}
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{{User Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Darkness}}
{{User Lost Game}}
{{User Champion|SS}}
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User:Fimbulwinter2012

2011-01-17T17:47:08Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* Intro */

I don't know what to say on my userpage, so I'm just going to put a bunch of usertags on.

{{User No Mudkip}}
{{User No Tiers}}
{{User Twerp}}
{{User Dragon}}
{{User Grass}}
{{User Favorite|149|Dragonite|Dragon}}
{{User Favorite Ability|373|Intimidate}}
{{User Ball|Luxury}}
{{User Night|635}}
{{User Rain}}
{{User Breeding}}
{{User Blue}}
{{User Want}}
{{User Silver}}
{{User Emerald}}
{{User Platinum}}
{{User SoulSilver}}
{{User BW|W}}
{{User Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Darkness}}
{{User Lost Game}}
{{User Champion|SS}}
{{User Game|475|Legend of Zelda|Green|Yellow}}
{{User No Cheating}}
{{User Kids' WB}}
{{User Chrome}}
{{User Best Friend|Chemikulz}}
{{User Gible|Gible is the evolved form of Sharpedo!!}}

Talk:Team Skull (Mystery Dungeon)

2011-01-17T00:38:30Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* No skull related pokemon? */

It's more of a synopsis than an article. I'm going to edit it to where it's an actual ''description''. [[User:Alpha Totodile|'''Alpha''']][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|'''Totodile''']] 13:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:We also need movesets... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== No skull related pokemon? ==

Uh, wouldn't Koffing be skull related? It's got a skull design on it. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 23:25, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:No, But it's most likly called team skull becase there all poison type Pokémon. A skull and cross bones are usually used as a hazard sign for toxic substances. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::Wouldn't that be more worthy of being put in the trivia then? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 00:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Team Skull (Mystery Dungeon)

2011-01-15T23:25:03Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* No skull related pokemon? */ new section

Talk:Sootopolis City

2011-01-14T02:58:39Z

Fimbulwinter2012: /* what happened to the battle? */

==what is this house==
Ok in Pokémon emerald there is a house in Sootopolis that has a door blocked off. What is this house, what is with the door, and why isn't it mentioned in the article? I only ask because if it was mentioned i wouldn't have to mark up the talk page with this question. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 02:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:Which house, give directions from the Pokémon Center... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I thought that house was in Mossdeep..........--Pokelova 06:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, there is a house in Sootopolis and there is a stair section blocked off by trees. It's the house to the southeast of the Center. What is its purpose? [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 04:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

:::This is where the e-reader trainers go in the Japanese version. The feature has been dummied out of American Emerald [[User:Kendai|~Kendai]] 05:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
== Sootopolis ==

Does anyone else think this is weird? If you remove the ''polis'' from the end of the word, it gives you the word ''sooto,'' and its homonym is ''pseudo,'' which means ''not real'' or ''not genuine.'' I noticed this when I was 9, and I was trying to figure out the origin of every town name in Hoenn. I was shocked to read this and find that it was from the word ''soot,'' which should have been very obvious. Should this pseudo deal go in the origin section of this article, or not? --[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]][[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|charmander]][[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]] 03:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

:Uh, could you relate the word ''pseudo'' to the characteristics of Sootopolis City? --'''<big>[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8</big>]] ''' 03:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

::Do you have any ideas? I'm not sure how they relate exactly, but could it go in the trivia section? I just thought it was weird that they're homophones... --[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]][[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|charmander]][[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]] 05:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

::I was just looking at the name in other languages... ''Atlantopolis'' in French? That name is based off of Atlantis, and don't the translated names usually correspond somehow? I know it's not pronounced like "soot-oh-polis," but I think there's some connection. --[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]][[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|charmander]][[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]] 06:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

:::''Soot'' doesn't go into any foreign language names. The English doesn't have to match up to the others, given that English isn't exactly the original. The important thing about translating names is that they make sense to the local audience. Here, it does come from the sunken city ''{{wp|Atlantis}}'', and the common suffix ''-polis''. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

::::But I wasn't talking about ''soot'', I was talking about ''pseudo''! ''Pseudo'', like Atlantis, because it may or may not be real? Okay, I don't think I'm making any sense. ''Pseudo'' means not real. ''{{wp|Atlantis}}'' may or may not have been real, and I'm having trouble believing that the name, Sootopolis City, was based off of the word, ''soot'', and not ''pseudo.'' --[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]][[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|charmander]][[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]] 07:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

::::: If you think about it, it does make sense. --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 07:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::What ''I'm'' saying?? Thanks. --[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]][[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|charmander]][[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]] 07:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Yeah what your saying.--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 07:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::::Wow, that's a relief. [[user:Kevzo8|Kevzo8]] made me feel like I was insane. So does anyone think it should be in the origin or trivia? --[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]][[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|charmander]][[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]] 07:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::I never meant that you're insane. I just want you to elaborate what your idea is. You didn't mentioned about Atlantis before, anyway. If you felt it, I'm so sorry. --'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 08:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::Don't worry about it. I get paranoid {{tt|very|I'm pretty much paranoid all day, and it doesn't help that I'm overly critical of myself. Seriously, don't worry about it.}} easily. That's the weird part though... I don't know what ''pseudo'' has to do Sootopolis, but when I see that the translation in French is ''Atalanopolis''... It seems like they correspond. --[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]][[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|charmander]][[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|XxX]] 20:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gyrados under level ten? ==

I have a level 9 Gyrados, I caught it in sootopolis while I was trying to harvest magikarp for stats. On that note, is there a page for cases of wild evolved pokemon appearing at levels lower than they should be? [[User:Kendai|~Kendai]] 06:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:There is a section on the [[level]] article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== what happened to the battle? ==

How come no one's put anything in about how this was the most recent place where Groudon and Kyogre fought as wild pokemon? at least in emerald --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|"FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2"]] 01:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
:I guess no one's thought of it. Want to have a crack? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
::Done. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 02:58, 14 January 2011 (UTC)