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==Arceus==
Shouldn't Arceus e listed here too?--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 09:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see why not. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deoxys. ==

It's Forme. Check the Pokémon.com dex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

: But why would they change that for Deoxys? It makes no sense. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::It's Forme. Even the Nintendo Power guilled says so. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:11 21 May 2008'''''
::: Which I'm assuming they don't spell "guilled"... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Proves that I'm obssessed with Special. I emant GUIDE. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:16 21 May 2008'''''
::::So you have the guide, and it says "forme?" Jeez! How is it possible we didn't know about this before now? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 06:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
::::: My point... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 16:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Deoxys911}} posted this info on my {{ut|Martonimos}}, but after I played through the special mission in {{pkmn|Ranger}} and they were all spelled as "form," I thought he was just being misled. I guess Game Freak and HAL just got their wires crossed somewhere, because it's starting to look more and more like he was right... Looks like I owe someone an apology. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 19:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Shaymin ==
Sky Forme [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 19:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

:Looks fake but cute [[User:CoolPikachu!]]
::Another one??? God, I must delete everything with that link! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:06 25 May 2008'''''
:::Yeah, it's fake. It seemed so real! [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::It's been confirmed! How do we add it? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 23:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
You'll have to ask an admin, since they've got this page protected (damn vandals) --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 02:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::-snort- Looks kinda like a reindeer.. Hehe.. I think it's pretty ugly actually, and I hope that isn't the in-game sprite displayed on the page, it doesn't look good at all to me. [[User:Evan94|Evan]] 06:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
::::: Apparently it's gonna be in "giratina and the boquet in the sky" (japanese name), along with the rotom formes. I'm guessing that giratina's "origin forme" is going to be in there, too. --[[User: serenolopez9|Neosteel Empoleon]]

== Cherrim ==

Cherrim should definitely be on this page - there are already other examples of Pokemon that can change their form, and Cherrim's difference is similar in nature to Castform's. Why is this page locked, by the way?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:The page is protected due to edit warring over the spelling of "form". Some users insist that it should be spelled "forme", which is incorrect--there isn't supposed to be an E in "form". --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Well duh, not in NORMAL English. But for Deoxys, Giratina, and Shaymin, yes there is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:I'm not exactly sure that "<s>Bulb</s> Bud Forme" and "Bloom Forme" are official names. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 20:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Me neither, but that's what it said on the Cherrim page, so I'd rather stick with precedent then make a fuss. If someone in the know has more info, though, go ahead.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Also, we should differentiate between which are recognized by the Pokedex, and which are obviously different forms but not recognized as such. Giratina might actually fit into this, as it's Pokedex entry doesn't say anything about its form (as of now).[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:: Where the heck did 'Bud Forme' and 'Bloom Forme' names come from? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:::They were added to Cherrim's page. Most likely a while ago. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::They're purely fanon names I came up with to differentiate the sprite tables. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::Since they are not ''actual'' names, I think it would be safe to drop the "e" off of Forme, so as not to confuse anyone into thinking they are official. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::We should drop more than the '''e''' (which is still official since everything else uses it). Castform is probably the best example to follow for the captions. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that "Forme" is unofficial, just "Bud" and "Bloom". In any case, should they just be labeled "{{m|Sunny Day}}" and "Other"? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
: That works. Or 'Normal' instead of 'Other'[[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 16:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, I wasn't too keen on the word "Other" anyway. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::forme is for legendaries only, you know. Has Cherrim seen a TCG release yet? That's where I got the names for Castform's forms. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I could only find the one card. It is simply titled Cherrim and it is already in bloom. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::According to the Official Pocket Version of the Pokédex guide, Cherrim's forms are "Overcast Form" and "Sunshine Form". Spelled like that without the "e". The Deoxys Formes do have the "e", though. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Miltank ==

Miltank's spots are diffrent in every game hinting they change in each region.
:Just because they differ in games doesn't mean that the Miltank change depending on the region. =/ - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 03:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
::Well, that's the way Arbok is ''supposed'' to work, but we all know that a Hoenn Arbok can magically change to a Kanto Arbok.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Castform ==

The same guide I mentioned above for Cherrim also list the names of Castform's forms. They are: "Normal form", "Sun form", "Rain form" and "Hail form". Should these be used? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Others ==

Can I point out? "Mantyke's Pokédex entry in Pearl says that the special patterns on its back vary from region to region. However, this has yet to be proven" How can this be true? It is availible in Ranger SOA, isnt it? --[[User:Lucario12|Lucario12]] 13:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Rotom's Formes? ==

I'm not convinced it is a toaster, as I see it to resemble a {{wp|microwave oven}} more than a toaster. The others I agree with, but not this one. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::::: I always thought it was a microwave oven,too. It's actually called "heat forme", though. Go figure.
--[[User:serenolopez9|Neosteel <color: silver> Empoleon <color:blue>]]

== Stupid Protection ==

:OMG, I wanted to edit the page to put in OFFICIAL names for Castform forms (they are in TCG) and I discovered the page is protected. Please stop that debate about "Form" or "Forme". Official sources use '''スピンロトム''' ''Spin Rotom'', ''Wash Rotom'' etc. As long as they are not officially revealed, just leave it alone. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::Interesting. The four Castfors are called:
*Castform
*Rain Castform
*Snow-cloud Castform
*Sunny Castform
::As far as Rotom goes, Urutapu makes a pretty good argument for the use of "Forme." --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Just to kill any doubts about Rotom Forms ==

[http://blog-imgs-27.fc2.com/r/a/i/raim2005/Pt_rotom03.jpg Look here!] (courtesy of Blue SkY) Photos taken from the game itself. See it now? It's ロトム (Rotom), not フォルム (Forme)! Which means that Rotom forms are supposed to be named '''Wash Rotom''', '''Spin Rotom''', '''Cut Rotom''' etc., they are not called "Formes" anywhere. So, it's officialy EoT. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

== "フォルム" or "フォーム" ==

Both translate to "form" through a Google translate, but apparently the first is used intentionally and translated as "Forme", while the second translates as "form".

What I need to know... The English games have a specific text. The fifth button on a Pokémon's entry says "Forms", while on the top screen, when it's pressed, it says "FORMS" and on the form-switcher button, says "See another form." Now, in the Japanese, all these instances of "form", does it say "フォーム", the standard transliteration, or does it use "フォルム" for them all? Because if it's the nonstandard one... that means that really, truly, it's intended to be "Forme" for everything.

But if not then we have the ambiguity problem. Deoxys says "see another form", but it cycles among the Attack, Defense, Speed, and Normal Formes. And ''that'' is proven by Pokémon.com. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:The button says "But see another" (べつのすがをみろ) in Pokémon Platinum. Giratina uses Forme for sure.. not got enough Pokédex for others. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 21:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::Anything for DP? It seems that Pokémon Wiki has it all under the "Forme/フォルム" spelling, even Unown. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Unown don't have the Forme spelling attached. They all share the same thing. (which I forgot to copy) [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 21:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Templates ==

I noticed that all of these Pokémon with alternate Formes/forms all have their own special template (either a bigger spritebox to accomodate them all or, in the case of Arceus and Unown, one based on the second you enter the page) except for Castform. Over the past few days, I've made such templates but I'm having trouble getting them to appear. If anyone thinks we should implement these and that they can help, post on my talk page.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 01:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== More pictures ==

Should we show pictures for the other Pokémon (Arbok, Dialga, etc.) except for Mantyke (till Generation V) [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:Well Arbok's patterns... differ based on the generation of sprites. They aren't truly form differences. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe there could be section or page called "Sprite Differences among Generations/Regions" or something. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 22:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't forget Koffings poison mark -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

== Before Unown ==

I'm wondering why nobody's thought about the most obvious very first 'form change' and that is the Male and Female versions of Nidoran, and the altered evolution paths they take. Does anyone think this is worth mentioning in the article? [[User:Korikitsune|Korikitsune]] 03:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:No, because they are [[list of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences]], not different forms. They are two individual Pokémon, unlike the forms of Unown and friends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::They are 2 pokemon with the same name, the only difference being the gender, I think that counts, I'm not sure why it doesn't count, seeing as how they have the same name in all technicality, and in the show, people wouldn't say, 'Go Nidoran Male!' just, 'Go, Nidoran!' It's a male and female version of the pokemon, who's evolutionary pattern depends on it's gender. The minor gender difference in other pokemon is mentioned later in the article. [[User:Korikitsune|Korikitsune]] 04:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::With your reasoning, {{p|Hippowdon}} and {{p|Bidoof}} would be here also. Gender differences are different from form differences. Furthermore, the Nidorans have different 'dex numbers. They are completely separate Pokémon. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protection ==

This isn't necessary anymore, nobody's gonna try to add Missigno.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== Shellder Sprites ==
I'm making sprites for the Shellder. Should we have them on this page? (This is my first ever edit) [[User:Pokemon17|Pokemon17]] 07:15, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:No, because they are not in the actual game but fan-made ones you made. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 07:28, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== Missingno. ==

I was looking back in the history of this page, and I saw that there had been an edit war over Missingno.'s absence from this page. And a quote from one of the edit summaries, "stop, it isn't an actual pokemon", really enraged me. I believe that the guy who tried to add Missingno. had the right idea, because, after all, it does have different forms.

I have made this argument in the past, and I shall make it again, for what I hope to be the final time. A Pokémon, in terms of in the games, is a specific piece of data that can learn and use attacks, can battle other Pokémon, can be captured, has a Pokédex entry, has a cry, has a type or types, and has stats. Granted, three of Missingno.'s forms gain their types, stats, and moves from other Pokémon, but they qualify. Sure, Ash captured a rice ball with a Poké Ball, and I'm not claiming that rice balls are Pokémon. This is because although rice balls can apparently be captured in Poké Balls, they fail at every other requirement. No attacks, no cry, can't battle, no dex entry, no cry, no types, no moves, no stats. Glitch Pokémon, on the other hand, fulfill all those requirements. Maybe you will argue that Glitch Pokémon would've appeared in the anime if they were real. Well, then, by that logic, why don't we just say that {{p|Porygon2}} and {{p|Porygon-Z}} aren't real Pokémon? After all, they've never appeared in the anime, and many people believe that they never will, so why not! No. Just no. And many people will claim that Missingno. is not a real Pokémon due to the accidental nature with which it came to be. What a load of bull{{tt|****|shit}}! Pennicillin came about by accident, do we deny its medicinal value? No, we do not! And likewise, we do not deny that Glitch Pokémon are Pokémon, too! If Glitch Pokémon aren't considered to be real Pokémon, then by that logic, I defeated the Elite 4 in Blue without any Pokémon, and I have a PC box that is full, yet has no Pokémon in it! Fail logic is epic, epic fail.

I do not say this to start any arguments; I say this to stop them. I wish for this longtime and meaningless controversy to be put to rest once and for freaking all. I will not prematurely attempt to add Missingno. back on the page, for fear of yet another unproductive edit war starting up. Rather, I will wait patiently for someone in authority to allow me to proceed with this. I am confident, given my thorough argument, that it will not take long at all.

The majority of Bulbapedia editors are highly intelligent, prominently including its illustrious staff. I urge you all, therefore, to not let Bulbapedia's credibility and neutrality, as well as your own usually clear and cloudless judgement, fall victim to the naysayers, the stubborn imbeciles, the biased, discriminating anti-glitch bigots that have so plagued Bulbapedia and impeded the noble progress of the Order of the Glitch. Allow Missingno. and its various formes to be added to the page, to be truly counted among other Pokémon, and it will be considered a great achievement. A blow will be stricken for truth and logic! Glitch Pokémon are every bit as good as "official" Pokémon, if not even better, and it's time the good people of Bulbapedia realized this! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:While several of your arguments are flawed (I can say which ones, but it doesn't matter), I will agree that MissingNo. deserves a mention on this page. In a different way to the other standard Pokémon (perhaps in the trivia section or under other Pokémon), but definitely a mention of some kind. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::There are 39 glitch Pokémon (which have unique index numbers) on the English R/B alone which use the name 'Missingno.' If those are to stay I'd reccommend a seperate article. But also, what makes Missingno. different to all the other glitch Pokémon, just because it is well known doesn't mean we should keep Pikachu's page and delete Dunsparce's page (just a matter of speech)? We would need the several thousand variations of ?????????? and the handful amount of ? mark glitches. Don't forget that there are other R/B/Y glitch Pokémon except Missingno. which have the same name too! As well, as the 39 English 'yellow missingno.' and so on.

That would be awkward, I'd say we should simply have it on trivia and leave the different variations of such glitch Pokémon on their own articles. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 18:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Well... it's not really an official Pokemon. No matter how much you will plug your ears and scream IT'S OFFICIAL!!!! because it has Pokemon-like data... well, you gotta fill that in or else the game would go ballistic. Is the name "Missingno." in the copyright database? I can't check that for myself (don't know how), but I have my doubts about it being copyrighted by Nintendo. It's just filler data that people happen to get attached to, because you can encounter it during 'normal gameplay' (ish...), has more of a name than the other glitches, can have a more 'real' sprite, and doesn't have much effect on your game other than the Hall of Fame.

:Does that make it a Pokemon? No. No, it doesn't. Has it appeared in any other game except Generation I? No. Was it intended to be encountered? No. It may have types/moves/stats, but that was probably to avoid a total crash if someone happened to come across it.

:As for Missingno being on the page... well. I don't think it's a "true" form per se, but it at least deserves a trivia mention or something. Because it's not official and two of its "forms" are just glitchy boxes, I don't think it needs an entire section... trivia should be suitable. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 18:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Rotom changing forms ==

The article explains that Rotom changes form by possessing household appliances. However, it does not say how. (Giratina's section explains how, for example.) By showing the in-game sprites for each form, wouldn't that indicate those forms are available in the games? So what needs to happen in order to trigger this change? Do you examine one of the appliances with Rotom leading the party? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 12:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:It should mention it. Examine an appliance in Rotom's room (Galactic or Silph) with a Rotom in your party (anywhere), then a message pops up saying that Rotom wants to go into the motor and you are asked whether or not to permit it. Then to revert it, examine the spot where the appliance was and Rotom will want to revert to it's original form and you are asked to permit it. This is all from Platinum, so HGSS might be slightly different. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: I'd like to add that if you're using HeartGold and SoulSilver you will find the room in Silph Co. by setting Rotom as your [[Walking Pokémon]] and entering the lift which is normally disfunctionable --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC).

== Basurao ==

shouldn't basurao be included here? [[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 11:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Think I figured out the form/forme issue. ==

Form - Generically used

Forme - Used when referring to a specific form.

Ex: "Deoxys has four forms: Normal, Attack, Defense, and Speed Formes."--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 02:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:True, but keep in mind some Pokémon still don't use the Forme terminology, such as Burmy, which is instead referred to by its cloak. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::"Forme" is for legendary Pokémon, "form" is for non-legendary Pokémon. This has been known for a while. Example: {{p|Cherrim|Overcast Form}}, {{p|Deoxys|Attack Forme}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shadow Lugia ==

Shadow Lugia needs to be in the "Pokémon with differing forms" section rather than the "Other form differencees" section, although it is only in one game, the same also applies to Spiky-ear Pichu, who is only in HeartGold/SoulSilver but is in the section. Could Dark/Primal Dialga could also be added too?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Rotation By Time. ==

This has been discussed multiple times before, but it is quite frustrating to wait a certain amount of time to see the art or stats of a certain form of Pokémon. There are several different ways we can do other than the "rotation over time" method, that would be more efficient for the users so that they could see all the forms of a Pokémon or their stats at any time. Whether we split up articles into multiple articles, or come up with some way to change a picture or the stats at the press of a button, I don't know, but I just want to know why we are still using this method other than that it is a policy. Can an admin please explain to me why we use this method, rather than an other method? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:The other stats etc. can be viewed simply by clicking "Show" on the RHS of the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:41, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, and so the art can be viewed in the gallery on the Bulbagarden Archives. That makes total sense! Thanks trom! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Hihidarumma's Active Mode and Meditative Mode ==

According to BW008, Hihidaruma's forms are apparently called 'Active Mode' and 'Meditative Mode'. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Cleanup Needed? ==

Half of the templates on the page have borders (the ones with stats etc, like Deoxys) while the other half don't. Also, why are there four {{tt|different|they are not actually different besides being from different games, they are all <nowiki>"blank"</nowiki> sprites of Spinda}} sprites of Spinda? And some cells appear to be split (like Burmy), while others are not (like Pichu). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:The half that don't have borders are showcasing the sprites and if I recall correctly, those were always there and someone suddenly decided to add all the stats and level-up moves. I don't see what's wrong with the Spinda sprites. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 17:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
::Like Jello said, the ones without borders are just to show the differences in sprite while the ones with borders are templates to display things like base stats. The Spinda sprites are there because we're not even going to start uploading the insane multitude of Spinda sprites onto the Archives so the best demonstration we can do of Spinda sprites is between Generation (but perhaps that's useless and should be removed...). The "splitting" of the cells is simply done when the background colours change between the sprites.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:03, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I never suggested uploading every spinda sprite, only two variations are needed on the page to show the general spot differences. Having four blanks on the page seems pointless, since they do not show any kind of form diference. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Of course, then we hit upon the problem of which specific sprites to upload. The blank ones are in a matter of speaking less biased.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::The sprites chosen would not really matter, just as long as the differences between them are obvious. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus (again) ==

I had added Arceus to the type pages where Arceus can be that type along with the asterisk and the plate necessary to make it that type ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Flying_%28type%29&oldid=1344684#Pure_Flying-type_Pok.C3.A9mon example]), but {{U|CoolPikachu!}} disagrees (see [[User_talk:CoolPikachu!#Types|here]]). What do the rest of you say? —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 08:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:Its types may already be mentioned, since there is that switchy template thing for Arceus, but this is more helpful. Castform also needs to be added. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
::I think it should be considered form differences: give it a plate, and its type on the status screen changes. However, Judgment is only a Normal-type move, as when Arceus holds a plate it is still listed as Normal-type. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:::You (and anyone who see the link to the right) are hereby invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
::::If you don't think 4 pages is enough for a debate then I don't know what is. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 05:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Onix ==
If Porygon's Conversion changes count as a "form difference" why not [[Crystal Onix]] from the anime?--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 08:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

== Meloetta ==

Does Meloetta remain in Pirouette Forme when the battle ends or after switching? -- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 18:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:No. And this is kind of a Forum Question--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 18:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::It is not a forum question, the way that the article was worded implieds that Meloetta remained in Piroutte form outside of battle. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 18:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

==Kyurem==

The names of its forms was confirmed so can we add them?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 01:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Arbok concept arts ==

Where do those come from? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:They come from a Japanese Pokémon handbook. It included several other concept arts, like other kinds of Shellder attached to Slowbro and Poliwhirl's internal anatomy. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 23:38, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::Wow, could you upload the artworks from this book? It's a super-obscure stuff. I'm sure that no one else here has it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Even write an article on it if you can. This sounds like it could have some very interesting info. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kami trio ==

Someone add the Reijuu Formes for the Kami trio.
<gallery>
File:641Tornadus-Therian.png|Tornadus
File:642Thundurus-Therian.png|Thundurus
File:645Landorus-Therian.png|Landorus
</gallery>

--[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 00:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, is it worth mentioning that the three formes seem based o n three gods of the Aztec mythology? Tornadus seems to be based on [[wikipedia:Huitzilopochtli|Huitzilopochtli]] (hummingbird), Thundurus on [[wikipedia:Quetzalcoatl|Quetzalcoatl]] (feathered serpent) and Landorus on [[wikipedia:Tezcatlipoca|Tezcatlipoca]] or [[wikipedia:Tepeyollotl|Tepeyollotl]] (jaguar).

== question ==

The article says that "Unown was the first known Pokémon which had visual differences between individuals of the species."

However this isn't entirely true as Shellder is technically the first. While not to the same extreme as the Unown, Sheller who are attached to Slowpoke (or more specifically their evolutions) have different visual appearances compared to regular Shellder.

Shouldn't this be changed? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 05:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
:Since the attachment to Slowpoke causes an evolution, I think Shellder should be considered to evolve as well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:59, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

:: Then the part about the Unown should be changed. Shelder was the original shape shifter (no offense Dito) and the Unown are stealing the credit.

:: I also agree that the Shelder + Slowpoke should be considered an evolution on the Shelder end as well, but that's a pretty large mine field to navigate. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 16:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

== Shellder ==

SnorlaxMonster, the Pokédex still calls the being attached to Slowbro or Slowking a Shellder. It is a Shellder in a form that is not the default one. We could say that Ditto should also be excluded since it's just one isolated case (Duplica's Ditto) and the Pokémon it transformed into only had it's face changed. Will a complete transformation like Shellder's be excluded because of the saying of an Anime character? If the games say it is a Shellder, won't they have priority over the anime? Please undo it. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 05:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
:In my opinion, Ditto and Shellder turn into separate species. Ditto, while still a ditto, turns into a different Pokémon nonetheless while shellder evolves into a different species (Slowbro). Unown are the first one to have distinct differences of the same species.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:51, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
::The Pokédex does not consider the Shellder attached to a Slowbro as a different species. It is still a Shellder, and can even be detached someday. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 06:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

::: I have to say that I now agree that the Shellder is still a Shellder, not evolved after reading the Shellder Article. You see, I have a good memory, but I forgot that even though it's changed, in the anime the Shellder still pronounces it's name "Shellder" even with Slowbrow's tail shoved down it's throat. Add to that and the fact that indeed the articles do refer to Shellder as Shellder no matter what.

::: Many Pokémon have different forms when they come or inhabit different places. Shellder just happens to like to inhabit parts of Slowpoke.

::: With that said, it is still a Shellder and should be placed back into the article and given the title that Unown is cashing in on. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 15:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
::::This topic is getting old. In a sense, Shellder evolves ''with'' Slowpoke. It's not a form change, it's an evolution. If it was just a form change, Slowpoke would still be a Slowpoke, but with a big carnivorous shell on its tail. But the fact that it is the lone cause of Slowpoke's evolution into Slowbro, then it is evolution. Oh, the Pokédex says it can fall off? In theory, maybe it could. But it never would, because that would be devolution, which doesn't happen in the games. Not to mention, you don't even NEED a Shellder in the games to evolve Slowpoke. If it was a form change, it would be able to change back in-game without any issues, or arguments. Like Shaymin for example, you need the flower. But it can change back. If it were an Unown or Shellos case, it wouldn't need to change at all. Shellder would just be one or the other. But they're not.

::::P.S. If Shellder can fall off, then Indian Elephants exist in Pokémon.

::::[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::You can't assume something only because you haven't seen it, you don't need to drink poison to know that it kills. I assume Indian Elephants exist in Pokémon, because the games told me that the Pokédex was made by serious researchers, like Professor Oak. And if we can't (yet) make the Shellder detach, it's our problem, it doesn't mean the Pokédex is a lie. I'll trust Pokédex entries ''a thousand times'' more than "common sense". It's not up to us to decide. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 17:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::P.S.: If something should be removed, it's Spinda, Arceus, Genesect and Dialga. Those are not different forms, only their colors (or patterns) change (Dialga's tail can change size naturally). Not to mention Pichu. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 17:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:::::: People calm down, its the internet. I forget which rule that is since all i can remember is rule 63 and the one that destroys people's favorite childhood cartoons.

:::::: Shellder is still Shellder. Slowbro is the only one who evolves, and he even says Slowbro. Shellder on the other hand says Shellder. '''''Pokémon See N Say:''''' The Slowbro says, Slowbrow, the Shellder says, Shellder. Also in the anime this happens despite having a tail down it's throat. Plus Prof Westwood still refers to Shellder as Shellder, and refers to the evolution problem and the Shellder Puzzle. Also when Slowpoke began to evolve, he said Slowpoke, not Slowpoke and Shellder was starting to evolve. "Slowpoke evolved into a Slowbro, and Shellder changed into a spiral shape. Shellder is mentioned to be Shellder in Slowbro's and Slowking Pokédex entries, and the anime.

:::::: Also, whenever a Pokémon ''ITSELF'' evolves, it no longer addresses itself as it once did. Despite similar lettering Pikachu does not say Pichu and neither does Raichu. Have you ever heard a Raichu say Pika or Pichu? Shellder can only evolve with a water stone, and it only evolves into Cloyster. Cloyster say Cloyster, Shellder say Shellder and Shellder on Slowbro's tail say Shellder and not Slowbro, Slowshell, Shellbro or Shelldro.

:::::: This is a different form for Shellder, and so is the one on Slowking's head. Yes Slowpoke can evolve without Shellder in the games, but lots of things are different in the games than the anime. Also the original games came out over a decade and a half ago on a '''''FOURTH GENERATION 8-BIT HANDHELD SYSTEM.''''' Back then you could only fit so much stuff on those dinosaurs, its amazing how they were even able to fit 151 different Pokémon, with multiple moves and other things onto one little tiny cartridge. It leaves the mind boggled. Besides, back then, despite all the stuff they fit into the game, they couldn't put everything in and they didn't think a lot of things through either. You ever notice how Game Freak always shows themselves as party loving college kid programmers in the games? Might not be so far off the mark given how they had so many mistakes in the games, and while less in newer games still happen. Yes I know in new generations certain Pokémon like Mantyke and Mantine need another Pokémon to evolve, but that is now. They've had a decade an a half to think of new things, and the technology has improved 2000 fold and we're only in the 8th generation of Nintendo's innovative handhelds.

:::::: It would be one thing if Pokémon only came out yesterday and these evolution inconsistencies existed, but Pokémon and its games have been around for about 16 years, that's over out half my entire life and many of the Admins on here. In all that time I have rarely seen the franchise go back and fix the flaws of previous generations outside of a few remakes which only removed things like Ghost pcs. They could easily make it where in the next game you need a shellder in the party to evolve Slowpoke, but they haven't and I bet 80% of that is a mix of not wanting to and not needing to for Nostalgia reasons. I guarantee you if they did fix the Slowpoke thing, then many fans would strike back in protest. All Nintendo and Game Freak can do is make the anime and games, and try to not repeat their mistakes and form a consistent and correlate cannon structure for their product.

:::::: I don't know what's in the water around here making everyone uptight, but it's not healthy and unnecessary. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 18:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I'd just like to say; not in a rude way, or anything, just honest; the next time you post a message, could it please not be 5 paragraphs long? Half of that message wasn't even on topic. Also, no one is angry here. Not a one. I'm not, Duke's not. The argument that Shellder is its own separate Pokémon when on a Slowbro/king has just been made several times before, and it starts to lose its shine over time, to the point it just becomes repetitive and dull. There was once a big project to label all Slowbro and Slowking as also having Shellders, but it was shot down because of how tedious it was, and the scale of the debate. I'm someone who doesn't really count the Shellder. I mean, I know it's there. But that's like counting the Remoraid on a Mantine. A few times, it does count (Gold's Mantine for example) but overall, it doesn't. The anime likes to emphasize the Shellder, and it's also made the point of Spoink receiving a pearl from Clamperl, but you don't need it in the games. It's easier just to have Slowbro be Slowbro, and normal Shellder be Shellder who evolves into Cloyster. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:14, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Well I wasn't here for those past arguments. I'm still new here and to Wikis in general, I never wanted to get sucked into drama like this...good going on my part. As for half my post "being off topic," I posted what I thought was relevant since it seemed like everyone was bringing in arguments from other arguments. I had to post multiple things to address the multiple issues that were being laid out on the table.

The Point is, Shellder deserves to be on this article, the rash removal is what started this all, at least this time anyway. I don't know why there must be so much fuss, all i ever brought up was that Shellder should have the title that was given to the Unown. Then Shellder got removed and upon reasing its article my POV on its removal changed. As long as the games/anime refer to it as Shellder it remains a Shellder and its different shells are different forms even if they are brought on by Slowpoke's evolution. Look at it this way, Slowpoke is Shellder's Gardina Flower on steroids. And Shellder is Slowpoke's Waterstone on steroids. nOne gains an evolution, the other a new shell/home/host.

I understand it can get tiresome, but you can't take your frustration out on everyone who brings it up. It's going to happen again and again until a Shellder falls off a Slowbro and is shown to revert to its old shell and/or Slowbro to Slowpoke. Also it'll keep happening until A Shellder falls off Slowking and he goes Derpy Hooves on us while the Shellder waits for it to pick it up and put it back on. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 20:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:Oh my Arceus! We were just debating, hehe. I'd never be upset with Jo The Marten, she's one of the people that keep this wiki going at its best. And even the guy who removed the section is someone I really admire, that's why I asked him to please revert it.
:Jo, I didn't know about the past arguments as well, but I believe this case is different. This article has two main sections, one for the major and one for the minor form differences. As long as Shellder is kept in the second section, with the two points of view discribed (as I incuded), it should be left there. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 21:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::I admit I might have misread the argument at the start. Whenever I see Shellder, my mind instantly thinks back to people arguing that Shellder is its own Pokémon when Slowbro evolves. Umm...lemme think...obviously it changes shape when it helps a Slowpoke evolve, so that's enough for a partial form change..but I think major should just include those where it's permanent and solitary (Unown, Wormadam, Shellos), then minor if it needs some kind of an influence (Burmy, Ditto, Shellder, etc.) About the falling off part of the Pokédex, if it were to fall off, who's to say it would turn back into our common image of Shellder? It could just stay in that form forever. But we don't, and probably won't ever know. It's just something not ever shown, unfortunately. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::: Well whatever the case, I think we can all agree this is solved....for now *plays stereotypical dramatic Soap Opera music*

::: But seriously, all we can do as editors and/or fans is try to do our jobs to the best we can with whatever info Nintendo and/or Game Freak gives us. The article isn't perfect, but neither is the info we're stuck with working with but we can still try. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 21:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I believe the best criteria to differ major and minor is the new "Forms" button in the Pokédexes. If you open a Pokémon's page, tap the button and something besides Male and Female appears, it has official differing forms. Otherwise, they must be shown, but separately.
::::They could also be differed by the ones that are inherent to the Pokémon (like Burmy and Deoxys) and the ones that are dependant of an Attack or Ability (like Meloetta or Castform). But the first criteria is way better. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 21:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::That is a very solid point, and if I could like comments here, I'd like that one. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

== Hide tables ==

I think it's unnecessary to have all those tables in the "In other languages" section exposed. I tried to make it hidable by adding ''class="expandable"'' to each Pokémon, but it didn't work. Can someone help me? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 05:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:: Ask Jo, she's HTML savvy and I'm sure she'll be able to help and will agree. I also think they look a little ugly out in the open like that [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 05:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I can set it up (although expandable/collapseable code is very weird for some reason), but I don't think it's necessary. They're all at the bottom of the page and out of the way. Something else we might consider is moving them all to each section (so put Sky Forme's IOL section under the "Shaymin" section). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

==Split proposal==
Recently there has been significant expansion of the "Other form differences" section. They really are not form differences, and I suggest that we break them off into a page titled "Variant Pokémon". This would allow all articles in the category {{cat|Variant Pokémon}} as well, including a main article link to this one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:Good idea, it would be good to split, but not to "Variant Pokémon". This term already covers several pages (mainly TCG-related) that depict things that can be applied to ''every'' Pokémon, like {{TCG|Owner's Pokémon|being owned by somebody}}, being a Pokémon-EX or a Shiny, Shining or ☆ Pokémon. I believe that what makes the ones in this article different, is that they have characteristics that no other Pokémon has.
:What about "Physical differences" or "List of Pokémon with physical differences"? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 06:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
::I still think that the title of "Variant Pokémon" is appropriate, and should cover differences within the Pokémon world, not differences that only exist for TCG mechanics. We could create a "Variant Pokémon (TCG)" category (a lot of TCG stuff does that anyway) then just put in a main article link to that category. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Then, you have my support! [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 06:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

== Ditto transforming into Spinda ==

What happens when a Ditto uses transform on a Spinda. Does it copy the Spinda's markings, or does the marking its have generate from its own personality values? Why isn't this mentioned in the article? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 23:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
:It copies the Spinda's markings, i. e. its personality value. This isn't mentioned because it's not relevant. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 03:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

== Kami trio abilities/obtaining the Reflecting Mirror ==

There are a few details about the Kami trio's Reijuu Formes that, to the best of my knowledge, are untrue. The first is the bit about hidden abilities. It was my understanding that the Reijuu Formes had the same abilities regardless of where they were obtained, and the hidden abilities were only obtainable by changing the Radar-caught kamis back into Keshin Forme (like how Altered Forme Giratina can have Pressure or Telepathy, but Origin Forme always has Levitate). The second is the part about how to obtain the Reflecting Mirror. It states that a Landorus from the Dream Radar is required to obtain the Mirror. I don't recall anyone ever saying it had to be Landorus specifically; I thought any of the three kamis could be used.

Again, I'm not 100% sure on this which is why I didn't edit the article; I'm only going by what other reliable people (particularly Serebii) have said. If anyone can provide some confirmation either way, it would be appreciated.--'''[[User:Radio Rebel|♪ Radio Rebel ♪]]''' - ''[[User talk:Radio Rebel|Reject the status quo!]]'' 06:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:Landorus is specified in [[a:File:CoroCoroJuly2012Pages40-42.png|this scan]] (top right in the section about the Reflecting Mirror). Not sure specifically where the information about Abilities came from, so I can't check that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

== Kami Trio ==

My {{p|Tornadus}} that I got from Dream Radar had its normal ability, Regenartor. It says on the article that if a Tornadus originated from Dream Radar, it will have its hidden ability. Is this a glitch? My Tornadus is in its Therian form, but it still has its normal ability. I'm not sure whether or not to note this on the article. Has this happened to anyone else? - [[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 18:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think Therian Forme has Hidden Ability. I guess it applies to normal form. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::I'll take your word for it. But isn't Dream Radar the only way to get the Therian formes of the Kami Trio? I know there some kind of item that can change their formes, called the {{tt|Reflector Mirrow|or something like that}}. - [[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 18:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::Reveal Glass (you're referring to the old, Japanese name Reflecting Mirror). Yes, it does change from Incarnate to Therian and vice-versa, but I am not sure how precisely it works. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
::::My Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus I got from the Dream Rader don't have their hidden abilities either, and I'm sure the Therian forms have hidden abilities too. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::Proof? It lists "Hidden:" only for Incarnate formes, not Therian formes. Therian formes have only one Ability listed. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 19:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Do natures and shininess come from Kyurem or from Reshiram/Zekrom when fusing? [[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 21:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
:Everything is from Kyurem. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:15, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

== Minor points ==

Just a few minor things but:

1.) The article mentions "Normal Rotom" under its Sprite. The Rotom article also mentions "Normal Rotom". It's actually just referred to as "Rotom" in game, and isn't called "Normal Rotom" any more than "Ditto" is referred to as "Normal Ditto". The article has this right on Kyurem, which is also just referred to as "Kyurem".

2.) As far as Castform's forms are concerned, I noticed that some of them have different names in Pokédex 3D Pro in other languages, for example Snowy form's German name is "Schneeform". The article lists it as "Hagel-Form"--I don't know if the article is incorrect, or if the games in German are inconsistent with the Pokédex 3D Pro, in which case I'd wonder if that's worth at least a note of trivia?

3.) Speaking of the Pokédex 3D Pro, I hate to bring up the old Arceus debate back up, but it does list Arceus in 17 separate entries, unlike Genesect or most Pokemon with gender differences which only get one. Perhaps this would also be worth at least a trivia note or something?

[[User:MasterPeteDiddy|MasterPeteDiddy]] ([[User talk:MasterPeteDiddy|talk]]) 04:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

:1.) I agree, feel free to fix it.
:2.) I agree as well, some other official translations should also be added, like "Snow-cloud Form" (TCG).
:3.) I disagree, if Arceus's variations were not referred to as forms, they are not forms. (Basically, "forms" must involve a Pokémon's "shape", colors and types are not enough to fit this article. The only exception is listed and explained in the Trivia section.)
[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 12:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

== Mewtwo ==

Since corocoro officially announced that mewtwo gets a new forme, can we add mewtwo and it's new forme? --[[User:Dragon146|Dragon146]] ([[User talk:Dragon146|talk]]) 19:48, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know anything about it, so… no. The above [[User_talk:Spyspotter|comment]] is [[Special:Contributions/Spyspotter|supported]] by [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]]. 03:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

== Pokédex 3D Pro ==

Before I share my view, I'd like to say that the Pokédex 3D Pro is the latest and probably most accurate source for the translations. That said, I remember I added many translations for the forms. Not sure if those that are being changed are between them, but the source I used was Pokémon White Version's translations to those languages (I think I used Korean, Japanese and Spanish). I just want to ask if whoever is changing the translations has confirmed if the 3DS software has the same text found in the games. Some Italian and French members of this wiki may check that just to confirm. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 16:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
:I am interested if it matches the Pokédex, and the base forms (e.g. Normal Castform) aren't named in P3D Pro, so those need checking too. P3D Pro doesn't have Korean, Japanese was all correct except Basculin, and Spanish was all correct. It was Italian, French, and a few German names that were wrong (although some I could guess were wrong without even checking due to missing "form"). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:30, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Xerneas and Kyurem ==

Shouldn't Xerneas' Neutral and Active Modes be listed on this page as well? The in-game Pokédex treats them as separate forms, which Neutral Mode being the "default."

On another note, I mentioned this a while back on Kyurem's page but it is also relevant here; both the in-game Pokédex and Pokédex 3D Pro list Kyurem's forms with White Kyurem coming ''before'' Black Kyurem (in order to replicate the Dex order of Reshiram and Zekrom, I assume), so I think that the articles involving Kyurem should reflect this. Opinions? [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] ([[User talk:Ensephylon|talk]]) 04:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

== Meowstic? ==

Should {{p|Meowstic}} be listed here? Unlike previous Pokémon, Meowstic's gender affects its potential abilities and moves. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 15:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's not a different form though. It's a [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|Gender Difference]]. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:22, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Vivillon Patterns ==

Should there be a chart about what country each vivillon form comes from [[User:Grassman|Grass is the best]] ([[User talk:Grassman|talk]]) 01:39, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
:I would be nice to see this, problem is is that some countries have multiple patterns. For example, in the United States the pattern differs state to state. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
::*I would guess then it would have to be sectioned by region. Since some countries have different regions (in the case of the US, States), it might have to be based on however the game sections the areas. But that's assuming this type of data can be hacked and labeled in such a fashion. :/ But I think it would be a good idea to make if not a chart, at least a list of some kind on what form is found where. (kinda curious what form people in my state would get opposed to another in the same country but distant location, and if they base it off of the region's general climate) ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
:::* for those interested people have complied vivillions/locations here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AnK7UlEL3WjddGw5REdFOV9CWWZ6MFpkRHZxSG5qa0E&toomany=true# [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:00, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
::::*We must have this power! But seriously, if there is a format that can be used for an appropriate chart of the forms and locations, that list can at least help with the information. Though I wonder if that would be a credible enough source for people to use. But either way, thanks for the link, Jmvb. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 16:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

== Sprites into artwork ==

Comparing Darmanitan forms still have sprites and needs to turn into artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 08:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
:Unfortunately Sugimori and Dream World artwork of Darmanitan's Zen Mode doesn't exist, so there's not much we can do about it. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 09:09, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

== AZ's Floette ==

From what I remember seeing in the flashback in Y, when AZ's Floette died and he received its coffin, it had a blackened tulip-like flower on it. This tulip-like flower is presumably the flower it lived on/carried with it. The flower it carries around now after its Resurrection seems to be that same one, albeit dried up and missing petals. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, that's the flower it had when it was alive. And it's not dried up, just has its petals opened. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 03:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Furfrou ==

Furfrou doesn't meet the requirements for this page as its forms do not get registered in the Pokédex, therefore should we move it to [[Variant Pokémon]] with Arceus and Genesect?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 01:26, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon with no appearant differences due to its gender are also registered in the Pokédex. I don't think being registered is the sole requirement for being included here.
-[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 12:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

== Variants of Mega Pokémon ==
I am not sure if we should raise this, but the concept of Mega Pokémon is not even there when this page was laid out. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 12:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

== Should we lock the article? ==

With ORAS details emerging, and Groudon and Kyogre looking different then their typical self, should we lock this thread to prevent people form adding the two onto the article without evidence? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

== Male, Female and Cosplay Pikachu ==

I think it will be better if male Pikachu art and female Pikachu sprite will be replaced with Pokemon-Amie screenshot, like a Cosplay Pikachu. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 15:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
::I have another idea : Why not extract all these forms "sprites" from the Pokémon-Amie screenshots we have for Pikachu and the different Cosplay Pikachu forms since we don't have artwork for either Female or Undressed Cosplay Pikachu ? --[[User:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|Wolfy Harfleur 76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|talk]]) 21:07, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Because, in my opinion, official arts have higher priority than sprites or screenshots, so we should use them when possible. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 22:50, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Yet we don't have any official art neither for Female nor Cosplay Pikachu. That's exactly the problem. --[[User:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|Wolfy Harfleur 76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|talk]]) 15:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== Ash's Greninja ==

Although it has not evolved, should we still add Ash Greninja form for Ash's Greninja as it has been shown on the US website? [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 18:37, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:Unless it appears in the games I don't even see a reason to add it here at all. We know next to know about it anyway. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Well Zygarde's Formes are listed, and those aren't confirmed either. We should at least consider giving Ash-Greninja a section under "Variant Pokémon".--User: Charmeleon2495
:Unless it was explained more in the episode that it just debuted in, we still don't know if this is a form difference, or more like a type of mega evolution. So we should not add it to either of those places until it is known for certain what it is classified as. For now, it should be fine just having a section on [[Ash's Greninja]]'s page to detail it. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 23:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Ash Greninja seems more like it belongs on the [[Variant Pokémon]] page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
::: But since it is a normal Greninja, i don't see it being a variant, it gains new power when the bond reaches max, like mega evolution but without Key stone and a Mega Stone, also it is dubbed as Ash-Greninja, cause it is the only known version after the village Greninja occurred more than 100 years ago. Variant Pokémon don't gain new power or revert back to their original form, right ? [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:06, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

== Contradiction,i think...? ==

Arceus is said on this page to only be able to learn draco meteor while holding draco plate,but draco meteor's page said that it can learn the move regardless of the plate it's holding. There's an asterisk over draco meteor's name on arceus' "by tutoring" list but I can't check it with my damn phone... Can anyone clear the confusion (even for people who can check the asterisk)? Sorry for the trouble. [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 09:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Reuniclus (Pokémon)

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== Artwork ==

Could someone please edit the artwork for this Pokémon, because it looks a little badly cropped, due to the yellow in the hand. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Be patient young one, these are directly cropped from the magazine scans, we're going to have to wait for better artwork. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 23:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==

I'm not sure about the validity of the name origin, but if it is correct, why don't we cut out the middle-man and rename the article "Ronculus?" Wargle's article isn't "Warugaru." [[User:BulbaB|BulbaB]] 14:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The name could also be romanized as "Rancluse", the cluse coming from the word recluse, which means someone who lives in seclusion or solitude, it could be a reference to the fact that the white body is inside the green....ectoplasm or energy or whatever it could possibly be. As you can see romanization's are never absolute. Because of this, its best to wait for official romanization's or just plain out wait for english names. --[[User:Yunophobia|Yunophobia]] 00:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Version Exclusive and height correction ==

According to the official Black and White website, Rankurusu will be exclusive to White version.
Also according to the site, Rankurusu is 1.0m, not 1.6m

== Name origin ==

The article says that its name comes from ''ran'' (disorder), but it could also be from ''ranma'' (chaos). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 16:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: It seems to me that Rankurusu's name is the word "rankless", as in, "without rank". Being the Amplification Pokémon (presumably amplifying other things), perhaps its own actual "rank" (strength, whatever) is unknown, hence the name. Alternatively, it could come from "rancorous", meaning "showing deep-seated resentment". These depend on the story behind Rankurusu, but they sound interesting enough to be true. ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::I'm the one who put ''ran'', because that's the kanji used in ''ranma''. I looked at the meaning of both kanji and it's the ''ran'' in ''ranma'' that gives the word its meaning. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|junkie]] 22:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Might as well continue with the english name here. I haven't yet seen anything in the design or abilities that makes me think of anything reuniting, and this is the Gen V pokemon I've paid attention to all the way from the start of coverage. In fact, division springs to mind. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

sorry if I put this in the wrong place but im new here Anyway, I think it should be noted in the trivia that though the pokedex entry states that Reuniclus amplifies its powers by holding hands, it cant learn the move helping hand. i dont know how to make it rigth so it would be great if someone could do it for me.[[User:Artikulerix|Artikulerix]] 12:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Another thought on the English name... "clus" could come from "cluster," perhaps? Slightly closer match than "homunculus" or "nucleus," although it's equally likely that they just ditched a letter from "homunculus" so it'd roll off the tongue better. [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] 18:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

I've taken the image from the updated site, edited it a bit, and shazam, we have (What I think is) a half-assed attempt at a sprite~

[http://i29.tinypic.com/25857wl.png Here ya' are]

Hope it helps, and sorry if it's not in good enough quality :/{{unsigned|Omnis}}

==Origin==

Rankurusu appears to be based on a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade Tardigrade] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus Homunculus]. --[[User:Green Kricketune|Green Kricketune]] 22:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
: Where on earth are you getting the connection to the Tardigrade from?? That seems like speculation to me, it doesn't seem to fit well at all with this Pokemon. --[[User:Oleandervine|Oleandervine]] 23:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::I think Green Kricketune is right, it's based on a Homunculus. The reason it's called "Amplification" pokemon as far as I can see, is because a Homunuculus also refers to a model of a human body where certain sensory parts, such as Hands, Ears, Mouth etc. are made larger in proportion to how sensitive they are ([http://lacalmette.midiblogs.com/media/01/01/0aa7ad714f4c9d40ea13e5d484cdb348.jpg Image]) - they are in a sense "Amplified", though I can't help wonder if the translation may be a bit off without the Psychological context. Design wise, it explains why the small body inside is fairly small, yet the gooey body is large, the hands and ears bigger than the rest of the body. The design itself is probably based on the idea that there is a small human inside eggs and sperm, hence the plasma thing it's got going on. It's almost worth mentioning that an anime called "Ghost Hound" addressed this idea too, with people having Out Of Body Experiences, where they'd fall asleep and their homunculus would emerge to float around a little dream-world - the homunculus looked like blobby/gooey/plasma-y baby type thing, with little oddly coloured organs and spheres inside the body. That's very similar to the design of Rankurusu. From this, it also seems the more likely romanisation is going to be "Ranculus" or "Lanculus" [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 13:54, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
I said that it was based on a Tardigrade for it's gelatinous structure, bear-like face in the homunculus, and it's abilities, {{a|Magic Guard}} and Dust-Proof, respectively, refer to it's adaptability and it's position as a polyextremophile. Also, thanks for the Support, N-Denizen! [[User:Green Kricketune|Green Kricketune]] 14:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Tardigrade analogy is also a good one, I have to say. With the bear features, and its survival abilities, that also makes sense. A pokemon being inspired by a creature that can survive in a vacuum is very likely, too, it provides a direct analogy to its Magic Guard and Dust Proof abilities. When it curls up, it looks like Rankurusu's main body, as well. So I guess this is like...a fusion of sorts? That's pretty cool, does it explain the first part of its name, though? [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 15:52, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, if "Ranma" means "Chaos", then that could be it. Tardigrades can survive in chaotic conditions, but that's a wild guess [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 16:00, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the first thing I thought when I saw it was "That looks like a water bear." It should definitely be mentioned alongside the whole homunuculus thing. --[[User:Corn|Corn]] 07:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I pretty sure it's abilities refer to the cytoplasm, as it serves as a protective barrier for a cell's organelles. I'll keep in the Homunculus part when I edit, because it still is a possibility. Actually, I'm now convinced it has inspiration from the homunculus with so much evidence to back it up, but I feel that the cell part should be mentioned first, as it's pre-evolutions have nothing to do with homunculi. I seriously doubt it's based off that bug, though. I feel like removing that, as all the evidence I see to back it up just seems to be stuff that backs up a cell. Actually, it even makes it seem more like it took inspiration from a gummy bear. I also don't see it's resemblance to Reuniclus when it curls up. [[User:Zachmac|Zachmac]] 08:54, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

== Ranculus ==

[http://d.pr/BQZY Please move, thanks!]--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 16:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:[http://www.bandai.co.jp/candy/img/w650h839DE382B1E383A2E383B3E383A1E38380E383ABE382B3E383ACE382AFE382B7E383A7E383B3E38399E382B9E38388E382A6E382A4E38383E382B7E383A5EFBC92set.jpg Please not.] They are pocketmonsters.net's fansubs.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 12:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
::... What was the point of replying to this? It's old and done with. You would have been better off going directly to Immewnity's page to talk about it.--[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Origin ==
Reuniclus' structure resembles a water molecule, the three 'main' parts of it's being resembles a molecular structure. The large core (the body) is refering to oxygen, since oxygen is a larger atom than hydrogen. The two smaller, red orbs at the end of it's 'arms', the red orbs might symbolize the positive charged protons/hydrogen atoms. Also it's shell might refer to the electron shell that surronds molecular structures. Also a part of the name, Reuni'''clu'''s, might come from the word mole'''cul'''e. The remaining parts might be a reference to the atomic number of oxygen, 8, just like Duosion has an extra 'part' which might symbolize the atomic number of hydrogen, 1. The extra 'parts' might also resemble some other atoms, which are attracted by the chemical polarity of the atoms. Chemical polarity is a trait, that water molecules are famous for, or the electrons around the atoms. ([[User:Celebi 21|Celebi 21]] 14:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC))

== Nucleus ==

Maybe a bit weird, but is the nucleus something of the brain of a cell like Reuniclus? That said where is it in it's anatomy? Maybe it's the only pokémon with it's brain in it's arms or something like that? Please help me discouver! [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 17:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:Do you mean the real Nucleus? A real {{wp|Cell_nucleus|Nucleus}} is the part of a cell that stores Genetic material, such as DNA. Or are you asking if Reuniclus's brain ''IS'' a nucleus? I find that highly unlikely. I think Reuniclus is just like any other living organism and is composed of billions of cells, I don't think it IS one. May be based on a cell, of course. But to say it's brain is a nucleus is a little bit of a stretch. And its head is big enough that I think it could fit a brain in there. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:10, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

==Image compressed?==
What is with the image compression on this page and many? It makes the Pokemon look REALLY weird. [[User:Pinkolol16|Pinkolol16]] ([[User talk:Pinkolol16|talk]]) 19:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
:The images are being made square. Wait till Bulbapedia catches up with the archives and they'll be back to normal. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 22:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

== Trivia suggestion? ==

Is it worth noting that reuniclus' family line is the only one capable of learning thunder,but not thunderbolt? It's probably to contrast with gothitelle's family line who can learn thunderbolt but not thunder,but that characteristic is shared with so many other pokemon. [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 06:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Phenomenon

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==Names==
I've seen various iterations throughout the wiki, so let's decide once and for all: is it "Shaking Spots" or "Shaking Patches"? [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 21:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
:From what we had seen, it was Shaking '''spots''', it's more general, but I'm not really sure. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 21:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, these are the confirmed ones: '''Rustling Grass''', '''Dust Cloud''', '''Flying Pokémon's Shadow''', and '''Rippling Water'''. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 21:58, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Just make sure that they are lowercase, so '''rustling grass''', '''dust cloud''', '''flying Pokémon's shadow''', and '''rippling water'''. But yes, these are the names w got from a magazine. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:01, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

==Occurrence==
Has anyone looked into how phenomena occurs? All I've been able to gather so far is that it's step based and has some random element, like normal wild encounters. I don't know if the probability of phenomena occurring increases with more steps or if it's just entirely random though. I'm somewhat wiki retarded, so sorry if the talk page isn't the right place for this, or if it's not formatted well (and if it doesn't belong here, sorry, and certainly delete it). [[User:Omfgzergrush|Omfgzergrush]] 09:14, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:As far as I've experienced, it's entirely random. Sometimes it occurs within a handful of steps, sometimes it occurs after running around for a minute or two. --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 22:04, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::I'm actually fairly sure you don't even need to be moving to trigger it. I left my game sitting for about five minutes only to notice that a patch of grass had started shaking.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] ([[User talk:Skaisdead|talk]]) 09:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

== Encounter List ==

I noticed somebody's just copied the horribly incomplete encounter list from the beginning of the guide. I don't know how to insert it in the article, but here's a full one: [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Method 
Found in pre-credits areas
--
Found only in post-credits areas

Walk 
Audino Musharna
Panpour Pansage
Pansear Cincinno
Emonga Leafanny
Unfheasant Stoutland
Sock W/Throw B
LilligantW/WhimsicottB
Runiclus W/GothitelleB
--
Gliscor Tyranitar
Wigglytuff Ninetales
Crobat Tangrowth
Clefable Mamoswine
Metagross Sunflora
Vespiquen
MismagiusW/HonchkrowB
ButterfreeW/BeedrillB

Surf 
Basculin W/Basculin B
Alomolola Jellicent
Seismitoad Stunfisk
--
Buoysel Flowsel
Slowpoke Slowbro
Slowking Corsola
Mantine Lapras
Wailmer Wailord
Sealeo Walrein
Staryu Starmie
Seel Dewgong

Fish 
Basculin W/Basculin B
Feebas Milotic
Goldeen Seaking
Poliwhirl Poliwrath
Politoed Relicanth
Gorebyss W/Huntail B
Kingler Luvdisc
Chinchou Lanturn
Seadra Kingdra
Lumineon Qwilfish
Barboach Whiscash
Dratini Dragonair
Dragonite Stunfisk
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Shellder Cloyster
Carvanha Sharpedo
Octillery

== Item Encounters ==

Do the items that you get from the dust clouds differ from cave to cave? Because I've been burning through 450+ Super Repels trying to find one Fire Stone in the Giant Chasm and I've found more than one of every other stone except the Thunderstone and the aforementioned Fire Stone. I've also noticed I've been getting more Leaf Stones and Dusk Stones than the other stones. [[User:Porygon-man|Porygon-man]] 22:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:That'd be an interesting thing to look into. I've gotten a Sun Stone in Wellspring Cave. I wouldn't be surprised about your theory considering the Pokémon depends on the cave. This'll require some investigating! :P [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I've found every item in dust clouds in every cave, so this discussion is futile. I'm checking per cave right now, but I'm sure that I'm not mistaken here.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 23:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:Okay, I was running through Giant Chasm just now, and it gave me a Fire Stone in a dust cloud, and a Thunderstone in the next one. >_> Still, I wonder if the chances of getting an item vary from cave to cave or I'm just having bad luck. [[User:Porygon-man|Porygon-man]] 23:26, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how to add some to the list for dust clouds but they have oval stones in them as well--[[User:Ovidkid|Ovidkid]] 05:45, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
:Regarding stone appearance rates, I just ran a little experiment. In Wellspring Cave, out of 100 dust clouds, I got 9 stones. However, 6 of these were Everstones, which seems a disproportionately high number (I also got a Sun Stone, Shiny Stone and Moon Stone). So I would suspect that appearance rate does vary between caves. We really need to look at the game data to prove this, though. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 14:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Could someone add the Moon Stone to the list of Dust Cloud Items? ==
Because I just got 2 in a row from them.(I'm bad at templating)K THNX BI.--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 21:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:I was reorganizing the table to look like it does on the [[Cave tile]] page, and I didn't realize I had removed it. I've fixed my mistake though. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== A question ==

Does the "possible encounter" of rippling water means it's not fixed that one will face them or does that means that we can only face them on rare chances? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]
:Pokémon that are listed are the only ones that appear in rippling water; for example, Frillish is never encountered.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:39, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
::I know that too. My question was what does "Possible encounter" means? Does it mean we may or may not face it at all? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]
:::Well, when you encounter a Pokémon by any means, unless only one is available, you will encounter one from a list of several Pokémon, hence "possible". However, the Pokémon found by each phenomenon are different in each location (although often some are the same, such as Audino and Basculin). You can see which Pokémon can be found in each location on those location's pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

== Phenomena distance ==

From moving around for ages and going through dozens of these, I think it's safe to say that phenomena occur inside of a 9x9 grid around your character, or anywhere within 4 steps horizontally and vertically. This means if you want to get a guaranteed phenomena in grass without having to run through additional grass and risk losing it to an encounter, take 4 steps away from the grass and run parallel to it. This is how I typically level up on Audinos on Route 13. --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 19:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

==Dust Cloud split for B2W2==
Since the shards and the other items are found in separate locations I am thinking of splitting the shards into their own section since they are only found in places like Relic Passage and Reverse Mountain, while the rest are found at other caves.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 14:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
:I think this should be implemented somehow. The current article says that all items can be found in all locations, which is incorrect. Shards are separate from the other items. [[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]]) 09:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
::Really? Unfortunately, I haven't managed to play B2W2 yet, so I couldn't double-check it myself when I edited it. But most of the current [[Gem]]s indicate they should be everywhere (except a few that neglect to mention Dust Clouds at all for B2W2). But the [[Shard]]s do say they're only in Reversal Mountain and Relic Passage dust clouds. Do Gems really not appear in dust clouds in Reversal Mountain or Relic Passage, or is it ''only'' the Shards that have limited locations? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
:::Do we know this for a fact, though? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 09:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
::::I've played the game for a while, and IIRC, only shards are present in those locations, and not in the other ones, and vice versa for the other items. Not sure how to officially verify that though. [[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]]) 21:59, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::Hmm...for one thing, it'd be nice to have a bit better testimonial than "IIRC". For another, since the [[Gem]]s do all (mostly) say just "Dust clouds" unqualified for B2W2 at the moment, I'd also like to hear a second person confirm that the Gems don't appear in the locations where the Shards appear. As far as "verifying" it, I'd say that, personally, if I found 50 Shards and no Gems, I'd feel comfortable saying there were no Gems there. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
::::::Well I have found hundreds of shards in Relic Passage and nothing else. Can't say that about Reverse Mountain, though, since Relic Passage is where I do my Shard farming. [[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]]) 05:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::::That's pretty solid testimony. Reverse Mountain should definitely be checked before changing anything (or claiming the same for it). If ''I'm'' going to change anything, ''I'd'' like someone to corroborate it first, but to be honest I'm not gonna tell you you can't change it yourself if you're convinced (preferably after you've checked Reverse Mountain a bit, that is). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:05, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== Steelix ==

I added Steelix but the BW2 list edge is messed up. Someone please fix it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 17:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

== Walking with a partner ==

I've noticed that entering a phenomenon spot when an NPC is following you will trigger a double battle with Pokemon that are exclusive to the phenomenon. In Black 2, I encountered a wild double battle with two Excadrill as Bianca was following me. They very well could have been the exact same Pokemon, as they were both level 34 male. I'm not sure if this happens in BW. Is this worth noting anywhere? --[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] ([[User talk:Skaisdead|talk]]) 09:47, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

== Mistake in Dust Clouds BW2 list ==

The list of available items in "Dust Clouds" for BW2 shows that only 14 out of 17 gems (missing bug, fighting and ice) and 9 out of 10 evolution stones (missing water stone) are possible to find. This is incorrect, after "hunting" for an hour to check it I have found all of the missing gems (bug, ice, fighting) but I couldn't find water stone so I am not sure about this one.
I will change the list right now but without adding water stone, I would be very glad if somebody confirm if water stone is available or not. --[[User:Jasza676|Jasza676]] ([[User talk:Jasza676|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

== Phenomena occurences ==

Can we get someone to confirm for sure whether Phenomena spawns are time-based or step-based? I've seen both opinions and it would be useful infomation for people who need dust clouds, because if it is time based then there is no reason to spend cash on repels. [[User:Whitsoxrule|Whitsoxrule]] ([[User talk:Whitsoxrule|talk]]) 20:26, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
:They're step based. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 20:29, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
::I know this was a couple months ago, but I just wanted to confirm it. I proced a Phenomena (using steps) and then left the game running for about 24 hours, it didn't go away. Walking back and forth in front of a couple patches of grass I can create one about every 120 secs or so. With no Phenomena nearby, I stood in the middle of a bunch of grass and left the game running for another 24 hours, when I came back there was no new Phenomena. Thus, can't be just time based as if they had appeared they wouldn't have gone away. Also, after creating almost 50x Phenomena over a couple hours, I can also confirm that they appear within an 11x11 grid around you. I think that this kind of information should be included on the main page, rather than people having to dig through the discussion section for it. [[User:Degrelecence|Degrelecence]] ([[User talk:Degrelecence|talk]]) 04:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::EDIT: I also forgot to mention, that using an emulator I proved (using save states) that the encounter is determined when the Phenomena is created, not once it is entered (not that it matters). [[User:Degrelecence|Degrelecence]] ([[User talk:Degrelecence|talk]]) 04:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== I thought rippling water Pokemon only appeared with the fishing rod? ==

But it says it works with surfing too? --[[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] ([[User talk:Phoenixon|talk]]) 15:25, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
:When the ripples appear, you can surf into them, or fish in them. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 15:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Phenomena ==

So, since there's no mention on the main page, I figured I'd put some info here for whoever updates it.

* [[Kalos Route 6]]: Rustling bushes, where you can encounter either [[Venipede]] or [[Audino]]. Personally, I have yet to see this, but it's mentioned on the three linked pages.
* [[Glittering Cave]]: In the second room, the one where you meet Team Flare for the first time, Pokémon can drop down from the ceiling. So far, I've encountered [[Woobat]] and [[Ferroseed]] this way.
Tilde Tilde Tilde Tilde [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 21:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== Data for dust cloud rates in BW ==

I spent a combined 5 hours or more running around inside Twist Mountain and recording what came out of dust clouds. I encountered 482 dust clouds, of which 201 were Drilbur, 245 were gems, and 36 were stones. As rates, those numbers come to (rounded to the nearest percent) 42%, 51%, and 7%; it's probably fairly safe to round those further to an even 40/50/10 split.

To be specific, I found 10, 10, 15, 10, 16, 13, 20, 16, 20, 9, 17, 23, 20, 10, 13, 13, and 10 of the gems (in alphabetical order if anyone cares to match them up) and 7, 0, 3, 6, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 7, 2, 2 of the stones (Everstone, Hard Stone, the elemental stones alphabetically, and lastly Oval Stone). A few of the gems stand out a bit, but it could reasonably be the quirk of overall randomness, still. The stones are a slightly different matter, with most being 2 or 3 and then a few (Everstone, Dusk Stone, Thunderstone) being twice as much. It could be randomness still - I think this is a fairly small sample size of stones to try to decently figure their distribution - or it could, as someone suggested above, be influenced by where I was. I don't know that I'll ever check out all possible caves, though, to see if the numbers look significantly different/patterned. And of course I didn't get a single Hard Stone; I may yet ride around until I get one, but it's fairly tedious (and rare)... Anywho, for now, with that smallish sample size, I wouldn't want to draw any conclusions about individual stones.

Interestingly, I encountered nearly twice as many lv28 Drilbur as I did the other levels (so 40/20/20/20 for lv28...31; give or take moderate rounding off). I don't think it's really worth mentioning on the page, but it definitely stands out in the data (which is 73, 43, 39, 46).

Lastly, I also used 393 Max Repels during my search, amounting to 98,250 steps. That's roughly 500 dust clouds in roughly 100,000 steps, giving a phenomenon rate of half a percent (0.5% or 0.005). But that's also in a confined space, where not every square had a chance of producing a phenomenon; but at the same time, it's a bit of a problem that multiple squares did have a chance, which may not extrapolate well to every location. Plus, I didn't run into each dust cloud the next step after it formed, so I "wasted" some steps. I don't know if that would bring it up to 1%... But either way, I plan to do a more solid test of phenomenon rate anyways.
[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:44, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
:Veekun has [http://veekun.com/dex/locations/twist%20mountain similar data] for encounters, given the dust cloud yields a Pokémon. It doesn't consider items though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:49, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

== Why the split entry for unfezant male and female? ==

Is it considered to be form difference or something? Also,in dragonspiral tower's entrance,the rustling grass' data for unfezant's encounter rate shows 5% for its female in B/W,while in B2/W2 dragonspiral tower's outside area,it says unfezant male's encounter rate is 5%. In most pages they would just show 2.5% rate for each gender. Is there a reason to all of this? [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 00:04, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Magic Bounce (Ability)

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== Absol ==
Just wondering, why is [[Absol]] on the list of pokemon eligible to have Magic Bounce? There doesn't seem to be be any evidence it can have Magic Bounce as an ability. {{unsigned|TordenOfItami}}
:Mega Absol has been revealed to possess this ability. The template hasn't been fixed to display Mega Evolution abilities yet, but it is being worked on. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 02:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

== what would happen? ==

Hi,i was wondering about the nature of this ability. Both bulbapedia and the games suggest that it "reflects" the effects of status moves,but what was displayed when the ability works are more like the effects were negated and the move is reused by the magic bounce owner (I'll shorten it to MBO from now on). So I have some questions. What would happen if 2 turn status moves are used against the MBO? If it was "reflected",it will be executed at that turn,but if it was "negated and reused by MBO",that Pokemon would charge that turn,am I correct? Also,what would happen to moves that affects the user and target Pokemon,like,say there's a move that raises the user's attack and lower target's defense. If it was "reflected",the user would have +1 attack and -1 defense,but if it was "negated and reused" it could mean that either the user gets -1 defense and MBO +1 attack,or user +1 attack -1 defense and the MBO +1 attack. I'm aware that I could very well be wrong,and any correction is appreciated. And P.S. I didn't think moves with similar effects with the ones I mentioned exist,if they do,could anyone tell me how they are affected by magic bounce?

[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 07:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
:There is only one 2-turn status move, that being {{m|Geomancy}}, which only affects the user, so it cannot be reflected by Magic Bounce or Magic Coat.
:There is no move that increases the users stats and decreases the target's stats (or vice versa). Best thing I can think of is {{m|Rototiller}} used by a grounded Grass-type Pokémon with {{a|Contrary}} while the opponent is a grounded Grass-type Pokémon with Magic Bounce; however, Rototiller affects all Pokémon, so is not reflected.
:We can't really speculate how such moves would interact with Magic Bounce and Magic Coat, since no such moves exist. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. I know,speculating things that doesn't exist would be pointless. I just wanted to know how this ability works. I did further digging (as I should have sooner) and noticed that Parting Shot's bulbapedia page suggests the "negate and reuse" effect. But I remembered (I didn't record this,so this isn't confirmed) in a triple battle,Dark Void affects only non-MBO target,and only the dark void user is put to sleep by magic bounce,and if it's true then it only "reflects". Bulbapedia pages for dark void and other status moves with all adjacent target don't mention their interaction with magic bounce,so what I mentioned kinda needs confirming. Anyway,i just want to map out this ability's effects,I hope this isn't too bothersome. But you're right,without more data there's nothing to be done. [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 16:37, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Magic Bounce (Ability)

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Talk:Prankster (Ability)

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== Mischievous Heart ==
I think mischievous heart should redirect to this page, in the same way that encourage redirects to Brute Force.[[User:Delspencerdeltorro|^_^ Delspencerdeltorro]] 14:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
== Changing Priority ==
Just confirming, is it ''increase'' priority of move by one, or ''makes'' priority +1? There are several status moves with decreased priority ({{p|Murkrow}}'s {{m|Whirlwind}} most notably), thats why I'm curious. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 16:49, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
:According to Smogon, it increases priority by 1. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:55, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== Moves effected ==

How about a list of moves that can be effected by this ability, like there is on {{a|Iron Fist}}? But not ones that these Pokemon don't learn though, it would go on forever. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 08:09, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:I think it affects all [[status move]]s, so including a list here would be pointless. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

== Quick Guard ==

Does Quick Guard block all moves increased in priority by Prankster, or only those whose priority is now positive? Would Prankster Roar/WHirlwind be blocked by Quick Guard? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:41, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
:Prankster Roar/Whirlwind and not blocked by Quick Guard. However, all moves that can bypass Protect can bypass Quick Guard after a Prankster boost anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:41, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

== Losing prankster... ==

Hi,I don't know if this is common knowledge or has been discussed in other discussion,but when sableye mega evolves and loses its prankster ability,does it lose the effect immediately,as in the effect doesn't even activate that turn? Earlier I witnessed Sableye using will-o-wisp the turn it mega-evolves before my dragonite makes a move,which I thought was absurd... P.S. I recorded the battle (this is irrelevant,I know,but hell,it was a fun battle XD) [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 16:23, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
:As explained [[Mega Evolution#Mega Evolving|here]], the turn order is determined before Mega Evolving, so Sableye does indeed get a Prankster boost while Mega Evolving. And yes, it's pretty common knowledge among competitive players.--
'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
::Ah,thank you,I've looked for explanations,but I guess not hard enough. I feel embarrassed now :)... [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 18:35, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Prankster (Ability)

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Talk:Beautifly (Pokémon)

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'''Kaiju Similarity'''
...Dude. Has absolutely ''no-one'' noticed how very, very (delightfully) similar to Mothra this pokemon looks? Seriously. I've searched webpages ''everywhere'', but so far--aside from everyone saying they NAMED theirs Mothra--nobody seems to make mention of it in any other way.

Heck, some of its stuff is straight out of the Godzilla films.

Beautifly attacks by scattering glittery powder while flapping its wings.
Although they have a gentle appearance, Beautifly have been known to be very aggressive.
(Wurmple) It spits a white silk that turns sticky when it contacts air. It is used to immobilize foes.

http://www.geocities.com/random_darkness/mothra-e.jpg

[[User:Zilla|Zilla]] 08:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Is it true that this Pokemon was first previewed in the third movie? I find that a little hard to believe. Anyone have a screenshot of that particular scene? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 07:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Try looking at [[serebii.net]]:
http://serebii.net/movies/entei/pics22.shtml
You may find Beautifly there.
[[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 00:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:That picture you provided isn't good enough. It just looks like a butterfly fairy with similar colors as Beautifly. How is that enough proof? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Check Spell of the Unown talk page.
*That's NOT a Beautifly, believe me I compared these two creatures. Beautifly just has a similar color. But I have no interest in removing anything, instead I will say "a creature that looks a lot like". [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 16:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

http://i13.tinypic.com/6c40mdv.jpg
There's some similarity, but it is hardly based on a creature that hadn't been created yet. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

== Pearl ==

I have seen the locations for Beautifly for Generation IV and its says its Diamond only?
I have Pokémon Pearl and it has Beautifly's location at Route 224.
Is this correct
[[User:Laxafett|Laxafett]]16:13, 21 September 2008

== transparency ==

The Shiny Ruby/Sapphire Sprite is lacking in transparency. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 01:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== TM70/HM05 ==

In the Learnset section it says only that it can learn Flash from TM70, but in generations I-III, it is obviously by using HM05.
Can somebody change this? Perhaps by adding that TM70 is only in gen IV and in the rest it is HM05? --[[User:SHoggard|sHoggard - rookie Pokéwiz]] 20:32, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:That learnset is only for generation IV. To see the generation III learnset, click the ''III'' at the top of each section. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shed Shell % held data needed for XY ==

I caught a Beautifly with a Shed Shell. Unfortunately I do not know how likely they are to be found holding the item, so I can't add it to the main article under held items just yet. Does anyone know if there is a guide or whatnot, which states the percentage of coming across this as a Beautifly held item? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:37, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Minor correction... ==

I noticed the trivia said that only beautifly and lucario can be dexnav-scanned without encountering,but what about chaz's machoke? Pokedex said it can't be found anywhere,and its bulbapedia's page said you have to evolve it from machop in OR/AS... [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 17:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Shedinja (Pokémon)

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== HP ==

Does the HP of Shedinja ever raise above one with leveling? {{unsigned|Viridis.net@gmail.com}}

Nope. It stays 1 forever. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The article says the only way to know Shedinja's HP IV is finding out its "brother" Ninjask IV, but couldn't we figure it out by knowing Hidden Power type and power? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 23:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think you are confusing {{stat|HP}} and {{m|Hidden Power|HP}}. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::But isn't {{m|Hidden Power|HP}} determined by IVs such as {{stat|HP}}'s? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 23:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::{{m|Hidden Power}}'s type and power depend on every stat IV. If you know the Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed IV, then knowing our Shedinja's Hidden Power type and power would take us to an obvious conclusion of its HP IV, wouldn't it? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 00:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it wouldn't. The formula for calculating the strength and type of Hidden Power relies only on the IVs modulo 2 and modulo 4. For example, if you could change a Shedinja's HP IV from 1 to 29, the type and power of Hidden Power would not change. This is because 1 and 29 are congruent modulo 2 and modulo 4. For more information, see the "Number of possible Hidden Powers" section of the Hidden Power calculation article. [[User:Ali 247|Ali 247]] 17:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Best type? ==

Due to Shedinja's ability, Wonder Guard, is there any combined set of types that would leave it immune to damage (not counting status-affecting moves and weather)? [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dark/Ghost and Ghost/Dark, the types of {{p|Spiritomb}} and {{p|Sableye}}, combine to have no weakness (except when Foresight, Odor Sleuth, and/or Miracle Eye are used). Neither of them have Wonder Guard, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, after finally catching a Spiritomb I figured this out for myself! [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 08:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
maybe it would be more usable with the Focus Sash?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Logicalfighter666|Logicalfighter666]] ([[User talk:Logicalfighter666|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Logicalfighter666|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
there would be no such thing as a super effective attack.
:::It's completely impossible to be immune from damage, no matter what one does. Even a (hacked, let's say) Dark/Ghost-type with Wonder Guard would be hurt by weather attacks. Since you can't combine Air Lock and Wonder Guard, it is impossible to not take any damage. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 14:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Double Battle. But you are right that it is impossible to be immune from damage: status damage. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:43, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Poke ball ==

Ive tried evolving a nincada twice in my diamond game and it only gave me a shedinja the second time after id bought a poke ball, in both instances i had a spare space in my party.
Perhaps you only need a poke ball in diamond/pearl?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Itxi|Itxi]] ([[User talk:Itxi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Itxi|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:I've always done it with an extra Pokéball. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 08:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I was wondering because in the trivia section it states that one isnt needed. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Then where does the Pokéball in my inventory go once I've obtained Shedinja, hmm? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 09:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Presicely, I just thought it might be better to start a discussion on it first than just deleting the text. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::You're wrong. I just tested it out. I got a Nincada in my party with an extra slot. I didn't have any Poké balls. When it evolved, I still got a Shedinja. If a Poké ball dissapears when you get a Shedinja then you're being ripped off. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::What game are you playing? I said that i tried it with a pokeball and without and it only works with. This is on Diamond --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::This is Emerald. I don't know. Maybe the mechanics are different in in Diamond. But you definetly don't need a Poké Ball in Emerald.
::::::::Hopefully that edit covers it all :) --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::We may want to clarify that the Poké Ball needed must be an actual Poké Ball and not any other type of Ball, eg. Great Ball, Net Ball, or Dusk Ball. [[User:ESeamus|ESeamus]] 07:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: I was bold and edited it. [[User:Lady BlahDeBlah|Lady BlahDeBlah]] 11:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think that maybe Eseamus was right, because a friend of mine tried it with a great ball, and it didn't work. [[User talk:Dolphin2|Dolphins]] [[User:Dolphin2|are]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too) 19:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Recent Edit ==

Is the whole thing about the hole in the back being visible needed? I mean, of course it's going to be visible, your looking at it from a behind perspective, AND it is a video game, they don't steal your soul. --[[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 18:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, how it appears in the anime would be way more realistic. You're right, if you die in a bloody video for example, or get hurt, you're perfectly fine in real life. So I think that trivia is pretty pointless, it's not like it's a goof. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's wrong because you have to look insde the hole, not look at it from afar. the back sprite shows it from afar, whereas if you wanted your soul to be stolen, you would have to put your eye up close to Shedinja... XD. I'll remove it. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 11:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I removed it weeks ago... somebody must have added it again...[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 11:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

If you breed a Shedinja with a Ditto, will you get a Nincada or another Shedinja? It doesn't say anywhere on the page. Since Shedinja is just Nincada's old exoskeleton brought to life, it would be weird if it could produce a whole new Nincada on its own. - [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 22:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Last time I checked Shedinja doesn't have a gender, and I somehow doubt that a Ditto can breed the genderless as it has gender last time I remember. You can prove me wrong, it has been a long time since I last checked. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ditto can breed with the genderless, otherwise we'd have no {{p|Phione}}, no baby {{p|Porygon}}, and a heck of a lot of problems. It's the genderless that can't interbreed. Ditto makes it all possible (unless you're in the {{egg2|No eggs}}). It results in a Nincada, same as if you bred the Ninjask. The only odd thing is... Shedinja is in the {{egg2|Mineral}}... Nincada and Ninjask are in the {{egg|Bug}}... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ditto is genderless(random comment).[[User:Kkllnn|Blastoise RULZ]] 21:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Scrappy or Foresight will onlywork with Mold Breaker ==
As they aren't super-effective even after Foresight (and Fighting wouid even be "resisted"). --[[User:Gorebyss|Gorebyss]] 08:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Focus Sash ==

what would happen when focus sash is equipped to shedy? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 19:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:It can withstand one hit that would otherwise faint it. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 19:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, since Focus Sash is only one use. But if you equip Focus Band, then it's possible it could survive for a lot longer. Of course, it's equally possible it'll die on the first hit.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 00:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==
When I use the name rater, despite being genderless, Shedinja will have a gender when we write a new nickname. Wouldn't that be a nice information for trivia? [[User:Diby esp|Gabriel Rocha (Diby esp)]] 02:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I have confirmation of this... If someone can determine where the gender comes from this would be great. At the moment I'm picking the same gender as your Nijask. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Flail and Reversal ==
I know it's impossible for a Shedinja to have either of these moves without hacking, but supposed one was hacked to have either of these moves... would it have 20 Power because it's at max HP, or would it have 200 power because it only has 1 HP? --[[User:Derian|Derian]] 16:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
:That's probably the reason why it's impossible. [[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
But it can learn that moves by copying them with mimic, so in that case, wich power it will have? [[User:Jhonixs|Jhonixs]] 20:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex={{tt|ハネを　うごかさずに　とびまわる。からだの　なかは　からっぽで　いきを　しない　ふしぎな　ポケモン。|It flies around without moving its wings. A strange Pokémon that doesn't breathe and has an empty body.}}</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Small edit requests. First, can you make a ==Pokedex entries== thing over the anime Pokedex entries, and second, can you put a comma in between body and giving? Please and thank you. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

== Breeding generation 4 ==

I've managed to teach my nincada/ shedinja toxic by breeding from a dustox in emerald. if someone wants to verify this works of generation 4 games, too and add it to the page it'd be nice.
:Nincada can learn Toxic by TM. TM moves known by the father are passed down to the egg if the egg's species is capable of learning the TM, regardless of whether the father learned it by TM or not. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

==HP Up==
What about with an HP Up?--[[User:Dratini Egg|Dratini Egg]] 20:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:It's HP is ''always'' 1, regardless of IV and EVs. HP Ups just add EVs, which are completely ignored for Shedinja's HP. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:43, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

== Shinyness ==

If this is already in the article, i must not have noticed, but...

-Will a shiny Nincada always produce a shiny Shedinja when it evolves?
-If the Nincada is not shiny, is there a chance the Shedinja will be anyway? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 05:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:To answer your first question, yes. A shiny Nincada will produce a shiny Shedinja. It also answers your second question. No. A normal Nincada will never make a shiny Shedinja. Because of identical values and such. I'm not good with that stuff. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:22, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. It may seem kind of obvious, but i was just checking, because if it were different, it might have been trivia worthy. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 05:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Can't this fact be put under Trivia? {{unsigned|Gideon Kreeter}}
:Why? The Shedinja will always have the same personality value (therefore same IVs, Nature, Shinyness, etc.) as the Nincada it (sort of) evolves from. Just like any other Pokémon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gen IV Poison? ==

Is Shedinja really immune to Poison damage in Gen IV? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, due to its ability. Why? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::I think he means Poison status condition. I often use Shedinja and it can be poisoned.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 18:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't mean immune to being Poisoned, I mean immune to taking damage after being Poisoned. I was curious because it seems kind of weird for it to be immune to Poison damage without being immune to any other non-super-effective damage. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 19:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, Poison hasn't been super effective to Bug since Gen I. And furthermore, Shedinja's Ghost type would made it '''resist''' Poison.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 19:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::{{a|Wonder Guard}} will only protect Shedinja from direct damage. [[Status ailment]]s (like {{status|Poison}}) and [[weather conditions]] will still affect it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Halo ==

Is it me, or in gen III's back sprite, the gap is at the front, and in the gen IV back sprite, the gap is at the back? Shouldn't this belong in the trivia? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 20:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:The gap is actually in the back in both generations, but perspective makes the Generation III halo look wonky. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:56, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== How does Shedinja learn egg moves? ==

There are several egg moves listed for Shedinja...but since it is genderless, how can it learn those moves? [[User:DisgruntledGoat|DisgruntledGoat]] 23:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:Evolve a Nincada that has them.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

Under the Type effectiveness section, it says that Future Sight and Doom Desire can still hit Shedinja. With said moves now taking type into account, is this still true?--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:No, Wonder Guard blocks it now. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shedsturdy ==

Will a shedinja take no damage if it has sturdy as it's ability?
:It ''will'' still take damage; the term "OHKO" specifically refers to four moves (Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, and Sheer Cold), not "moves that KO with one hit". (Also, it's "its". : P) —'''[[User:Hexagon Theory|hexagon]][[User_talk:Hexagon Theory|THEORY]]''' 08:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::In Generation V Sturdy protects from all moves that would OHKO the pokemon not just those four. But Shedinja would still be knocked out by status damage, weather, recoil, spikes and stealth rock. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 08:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Guardian Angel ==
How does the ability Wonder Guard lend to the concept of a 'Guardian Angel'? I see both have 'Guard' but Wonder Guard refers more to guarding Shedinja, whilst the Angel is a protector of somebody else, yes? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 20:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:I agree. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well there is still its halo...--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

== Belly Drum ==

There is a website where you can "hack" certain moves onto a Pokémon that couldn't normally learn it. I was wondering what would happen if you hack Belly Drum on to Shedinja and then try to use it. My guess is that it would fail, but i want to be sure. {{unsigned|Benboy803}}
:You could have Shedinja mimic Belly Drum without hacking but it would fail, same thing for Substitute. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 21:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::Ok thank you. {{unsigned|Benboy803}}

== Trivia ==

When adding trivia is allowed, shouldn't it be noted that it is (theoretically) possible to make a Shedinja immune to all forms of direct damage? This can be done by done by entering a [[double battle]]/[[triple battle]] with {{p|Staryu}} knowing {{m|Reflect Type}} and a Shedinja knowing {{m|Mimic}}.
*Staryu uses Reflect Type. Shedinja, who is slower than Staryu, uses Mimic on Staryu. The foes do anything but [[faint]] Shedinja
*Staryu switches out into {{p|Sableye}}/{{p|Spiritomb}}. Shedinja uses Mimic-Reflect Type on Spiritomb. The foes do anything but faint Shedinja before it uses Mimic-Reflect Type
*Shedinja is now invincible to any means of direct damage.
And then, Shedinja starts destroying the entire world during the battle. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 00:07, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
:It could be done with any Pokemon. Have a Pokemon use Skill Swap to obtain Wonder Guard, then dothe res. I dont think its notable. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 08:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, you can only Skill Swap Wonder Guard in Generation III. However, you can still {{a|Trace}} it and get similar results. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

== 1 HP trivia: composed of assumptions? ==

''"If Shedinja obtains Sturdy in Generation V, it can survive any direct attack"''

Impossible because:
* A Pokemon can only have one ability. It cannot have two. For this to happen you would need both Wonder Guard and Sturdy.
* Trivia implies that this will only be possible if the game introduces two abilities for a single Pokemon.

This is an assumption based on personal thoughts. Its like saying that "if GameFreak introduced this feature, this Pokemon would be the most strongest one in the entire world". Trivia implies that maybe if GameFreak changes its game-engines this is possible. Can Trivia's be composed of assumptions? [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:15, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
:You're wrong; Shedinja doesn't need Wonder Guard anymore if it gets Sturdy.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 11:22, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
::Also, it is actually possible: change Shedinja's Ability with Simple Beam, Entrainment, or Worry Seed, then Skill Swap Sturdy on. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:25, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

::: I interpreted it wrong when I first read the statement. Before Gen V, sturdy only blocks [[One-hit knockout move]]s which is not just 'any' attack. However on Gen V, when a Pokemon is brought from full HP to 0 HP, instead of being KO'd it has 1HP remaining instead. In a way it acts like an auto-[[Endure]] that is immediately in effect when the Pokemon is brought to battle and has a 100% of working :-) [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:37, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
::::It would help if that trivia entry was a bit more clearer. Maybe you should put what you explained to me on the article? I can't seem to understand before when I first read it. It might help others understand it better. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:42, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::Like add to the article what you explained to me here? [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

== Pokeball ==

Is a pokeball not required in gen 3 or starting in gen 3?
[[User:Mpcamel1729|^^I^ rides camels… | love 'em. ]] ''([[User talk:Mpcamel1729|T^LK]])'' 00:28, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:It didn't exist prior to Generation III, so only in Generation III. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

== Struggle ==

If Shedinja can still take damage from Struggle, is it the only Pokémon that will always one-hit KO themselves with it? [[User:Dimenticare|Dimenticare]] ([[User talk:Dimenticare|talk]]) 18:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

== Hidden Ability? ==

I noticed that, when shedninja is attacked by a ground type move, that it says both wonder guard and levitate protected him. Would that make Levitate be his hidden ability? --[[User:Kajoman|Kajoman]] ([[User talk:Kajoman|talk]]) 16:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
:That's not what Hidden Ability means. Hidden Ability is an Ability only obtainable in special ways, such as [[Hidden Hollow]]s and the {{pkmn|Dream World}}. A Pokémon cannot have two Abilities anyway. And the game does not say anything about Levitate when I use it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Dragon Rage? ==

Is the Drgaon Rage trivia correct? Wonder Guard's page says it doesn't block moves "whose types do not come into play for damage calculation".[[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 10:50, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

==Hp ups==

I just added a trivia that says HP ups have no effect on Shedinja. I don't know how to create a link to a section of a page, so could someone link it to that part of whatever page it's on? [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 23:05, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

:Just curious: Why did someone remove the aforementioned edit? [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 23:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
::Because it's already mentioned that Shedinja doesn't gain HP EVs. That includes defeating wild Pokémon and using certain items or Join Avenue services.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 23:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I can never remember how stat-raising items actually work. I forgot that they just raise the EV count. [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 23:17, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
::::Would this be something to put as an add-on to the fact that Shedinja cannot gain HP EVs? I feel like it's worth mentioning one way or another because it's not always that obvious to other people. [[User:Aggron989|Aggron989]] ([[User talk:Aggron989|talk]]) 00:07, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

==Recent Image Update Needs Undoing==
The image/animation of Shedinja sprite from Emerald needs to be reverted to an older edit, since the one recently upped is all stretched out horizontally out of proportion. See the page for details.
[[User:Exclusiveboi|Exclusiveboi]] ([[User talk:Exclusiveboi|talk]]) 20:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
: I agree, and please use the "+" sign on the top of the page when adding a new section to talk pages. [[User:Nepse|Nepse]] ([[User talk:Nepse|talk]]) 20:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

== Final Gambit ==

Is the trivia that {{m|Final Gambit}} does 1 damage when used by Shedinja necessary? Based on the description, it seems kind of obvious. The same thing would happen if a totally random Pokémon had 1 HP left. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 12:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI Move List ==

So, here's a section where we can compile the movelist before editing the main page. Just add any move you know and when it learns it. So far, it appears its low-level moves are the same, but it doesn't learn Mind Reader before Lv.20 anymore. Then again, it's possible that it just copied my Nincada's moveset (Fury Swipes, Harden, Leech Life, Sand Attack), I really don't know how move inheritance works with Sheddy.
Tilde Tilde Tilde Tilde [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 05:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

* Starts with Fury Swipes, so it learns it somewhere from Lv.1-20 (added by [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 05:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC))
* Starts with Harden, so it learns it somewhere from Lv.1-20 (added by [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 05:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC))
* Starts with Leech Life, so it learns it somewhere from Lv.1-20 (added by [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 05:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC))
* Starts with Sand Attack, so it learns it somewhere from Lv.1-20 (added by [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 05:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC))

== Super Training HP? ==

I'm assuming HP EVs still can't be added, even via Super Training? Will someone confirm? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:48, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
:Confirmed. You can see in it's Stats section that its maximum HP is 1, even with 252 EVs and an IV of 31, meaning that, no matter what you do, you cannot EV or Super Train a (legitimate) Shedinja in HP. [[User:Takharii|'''~た''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''かは''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''りい''']] 06:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
There is a difference on "being able to train HP" and "having an effect on trained HP". I believe that's what he was trying to find out. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 03:05, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

== Does it have to be a normal Pokéball? ==

I just tried getting me one, and I had four non-normal Pokéballs varieties in my bag and a extra space in my party and I didn't get a Shedinja. So do you have to have a normal Pokéball or will any ball type do? If not, what prevents it from using up a master ball? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

A normal pokeball will only work and have a pokemon hold the masterball incase [[User:FlaffyMcMudkip|FlaffyMcMudkip]] ([[User talk:FlaffyMcMudkip|talk]]) 06:47, 30 December 2013 (UTC)FlaffyMcMudkip[[User:FlaffyMcMudkip|FlaffyMcMudkip]] ([[User talk:FlaffyMcMudkip|talk]]) 06:47, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
:It has to be an ordinary Poké Ball. The others will be ignored. Having another Pokémon hold the Master Ball isn't really necessary. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 16:33, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Someone needs to fix the Gen IV back sprite. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 20:36, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:What's wrong with it? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:38, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Wait, what? ==

So acordding to this, Shedinja can't learn Hyper Beam of Giga Impact in generation VI.

Am I seriously supposed to believe that?

Since when can Pokémon no longer learn a TM in future generations? I can't think of a single situation where that's the case. If anything Pokémon are able to learn TMs it couldn't learn before in future generations.

Of course there is no way for me to test this as I don't have a Shedinja in X/Y.

But yeah, I find that odd that according to this page Shedinja can't learn those two moves in the sixth generation, but it is able to learn them in Gen 5 and further back.

What? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|Blaze The Movie Fan]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 19:43, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:"No way"? You can always catch a Nincada and evolve it. Anyways, those moves aren't listed just because the list is incomplete, presumably because the user didn't have all TMs.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:52, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Studies on Shedinja being afflicted by Forest's Curse. ==

As we all well know, Trick-or-Treat/Forest's Curse actually inserts a third typing onto a Pokémon, right, providing the target doesn't have the types already? So, if it was made Bug/Ghost/Grass, it would obviously affect Wonder Guard. Here's a chart I drew up for that.

*Normal: 0x
*Fighting: 0x
*Flying: 4x
*Poison: 0x
*Ground: 0x
*Rock: 2x
*Ghost: 2x
*Steel: 0x
*Bug: 0x

*Fire: 4x
*Water: 0x
*Grass: 0x
*Electric: 0x
*Psychic: 0x
*Ice: 2x
*Dragon: 0x
*Dark: 2x
*Fairy: 0x

The detriments:
*Shedinja loses its' immunity to Ice-types.

The benefits:
*Shedinja would be immune to the effects of Leech Seed.

Well, that's my research unless anyone has any corrections they'd like to add.[[User:IM-T-MAN2|IM-T-MAN2]] ([[User talk:IM-T-MAN2|talk]]) 10:52, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Shedinja being 4x weak to an type is not an detriment because it will doe the same damage that he does withouth the grass-typing. [[User:Jhonixs|Jhonixs]] 20:30, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
::I see. Anything else I missed in my studies? [[User:IM-T-MAN2|IM-T-MAN2]] ([[User talk:IM-T-MAN2|talk]]) 13:19, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

== black hole,stealing soul? ==

hi,i was just wondering,is it worth noting that shedinja's pokedex entries and dusclops' is very alike? they are said to be hollow inside,and those who peer inside will have their soul stolen? [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 11:48, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:It's not, and they aren't. Not really. Having a black hole for innards (Dusclops) which suck in anything living indiscriminately isn't the same as only stealing a living thing's soul (Shedinja). [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:59, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
::I guess you're right,but the pokemon x pokedex entry for dusclops is a lot like shedinja's. It even specifically said "stealing",not the usual "absorbing",it almost seems like they're asking for it. Thanks anyway:D [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 12:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Shedinja (Pokémon)

2014-08-10T11:48:43Z

Fiky f: /* black hole,stealing soul? */ new section

Talk:Stealth Rock (move)

2014-07-14T07:48:46Z

Fiky f: /* learning method */

Is anyone opposed to putting that this move is affected by Type match-ups? It may be a tad obvious but I don't think Spikes is (aside from immunities), and they're both similar moves. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 01:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:I say we should stick it in. After all, it is kinda special in that way. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 01:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I second [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 01:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I was thinking that since this move is affected by type match-ups, does that include STAB? Can someone test this out? --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

:Nope, you don't get STAB from Stealth Rock. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:09, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

== Miltank ==

Miltank is listed as able to learn Stealth Rock on this page, but on Miltank's own page, it isn't. Would someone be able to clear up which it is? {{unsigned|Timothy}}
:It can. Someone f'd up when doing the TM thing. I'll add it on her page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Only non-level move? ==

I swear there were others. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:there are. --[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Blastoise]] [[User:Kkllnn|Rules!!!]] 19:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

==Multiple Spikes==
Can you put 3 layers of Spikes AND 1 layer of STealth Rock? If you can, are there any pokémon that can learn both, as well as Roar/Whirlwind? {{Unsigned|Sk8torchic}}
:Look it up... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Or, if you don't want to/can't find the answer, yes. You can lay 3 layers of spikes, 2 layers of Toxic Spikes, and one layer of Stealth Rock. And they can all be down simultaneously. As for learning all three, only Foretress, Omastar, and Smeargle learn all three, but only Smeargle gets Roar/Whirlwind. Oh, but Skarmory does get Whirlwind, Roar, Spikes, and Stealth Rock, but no Toxic Spikes. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 18:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, missingno master. Thouch, i din't ask about toxic spikes. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 23:57, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

==Charti Berry==

Charti Berry "weakens a foe's super-effective Rock-type attack". Stealth Rock can be super-effective. Does that mean that, if I switch in a Pokemon that's weak to Rock when Stealth Rock is in play, Charti Berry will trigger? Or does it not count because Stealth Rock is a passive attack? [[User:HerbieHero|HerbieHero]] 18:14, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== learning method ==

Hi,I was just wondering. The page suggests that rhyhorn family and nidoking,in gen 6,can pass down stealth rock through breeding. I checked their pages (and tried to breed down stealth rock to rhyhorn via breeding with tyrunt if that mattered),and it doesn't seem that they can learn it,either by levelling up or breeding,since tm for stealth rock isn't in the sixth gen. Can anyone provide answer? Thanks[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 05:33, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
:In the only case where a Rhyhorn or Nidoking is absolutely necessary to pass down the move in XY (Swinub), it is noted by Swinub's name that the fathers needed have to originate from a Gen 4 game or BW2 with the move already learned via TM or move tutor, and then be imported to XY; this is the only way to have that specific list of Stealth Rockers in XY. But Rhyhorn and Nidoran are in no way suggested, on this page, to be able to learn Stealth Rock as an Egg Move in XY or any other game. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:42, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
::I see,I thought there were other ways for them to learn it that i may have missed.Thank you... [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 07:48, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Mewtwo (Pokémon)

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== Lucario ==

Nice touch with the line about it not evolving given all the speculation about Lucario. ([[User:Argy|Argy]])

These pages deal with known data, not random speculation. On top of that, there is no history of any legendary Pokemon evolving.
--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That was what I was referring to- the random, unfounded speculation going on at various forums. Before I saw that all non-evolving Pokemon had that line, I thought it was a nice touch to emphasize reality. ([[User:Argy|Argy]])

== Movie ==

Wait a minute... what was the second movie Mewtwo was the subject in? (Given Mewtwo Strikes Back is the first) If there was one before it, is there a reason it isn't listed in the movie section? -OmegaPlatinum

:[[Mewtwo Returns]]. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 12:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

::And the only reason why it wasn't listed in the movie section was because it really wasn't a movie. It was a TV special under the same lines of [[Raikou: The Legend Of Thunder]]. 4Kids thought that they could change the wording and certain dialogue so it WOULD seem like an ACTUAL movie even though it really wasn't.

::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==only one==
is there only one mewtwo or is there more?
:One per game. One in the anime. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

In the Anime, yes there WAS only one, but it was hinted that they could have made many more of his species had he not destroyed their lab (Random scientist: Very Good, Excellent! Let's work on Mewthree!
-Pokemon the first movie). And as for the games, yes, they made it quite clear in the games that Mewtwo is unique and one of a kind (the stadium games and the Mystery dungeon series don't count [and by stadium games, I mean just Pokemon Stadium ZERO (the unreleased japanese version), Pokemon Stadium, and Pokemon Stadium 2. I consider Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution to be a different series from Stadium.].)

[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

But in FireRed and LeafGreen, they never mentioned about making another Mew clone. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 14:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, they never had it appear in Gold/Silver, they never had it appear in the Colosseum games, they never even had it appear in the Ranger games. the only games it appeared in besides Gen I and it's remakes is the Mystery Dungeon series and the Stadium games, which really don't count in regards to the games canon (heck, the Mystery dungeon games don't even take PLACE on the main Pokemon world.). and of course they didn't mention making another mew clone, because Mewtwo blew up the place before they could even record the idea. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== "Born" or "created" ==

Nevermind, I found them. I was mistaken and Mew did give birth to Mewtwo.--[[User:Ceol|Ceol]] 16:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:No, Mew did not physically give birth to Mewtwo. Mewtwo is a genetically inhanced clone of Mew. The whole concept of "Mew gave birth" is a metaphor for the fact that after a long time of creating clones of Mew that didn't survive the cloning process, the scientists were finally able to create a living clone from Mew's DNA. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, but a clone once created, must be implanted on a mother's womb to survive and grow. So, mew actually ''gave birth to Mewtwo''. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Mewtwo was never in or near Mew when he was created. He was in his cloning tank until he finally broke it open when he was grown. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 20:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Go and read about cloning in the read world and you'll understand. Don't guide yourself by the anime. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:I know about cloning in the real world, thank you. But by the anime, Mewtwo was in a tank for the first part of his life and no where else. And because he is a fictional cartoon/video game character, there is no other side to the story, meaning if being implanted wasn't shown or mentioned, then it didn't happen. People can make up theories of what they assume is truth but assuming is not truth and fictional characters don't have alternative sides because they are not real. And even if Mew "gave birth", how did the scientists get their hands on a Mew to implant Mewtwo? It was only mentioned that they found a fossilized eyebrow of a Mew. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::“Mew gave birth” is only in the games. Things from the show (eyebrow, tank etc.) are not relevant to how the ''games'' do things. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 05:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::The anime is based off of the games and the anime goes indepth with almost everything in Pokemon. It was never mentioned in the game how Mewtwo was cloned or if he was implanted. "Mew gave birth" is considered a metaphor for the fact that the scientists were finally able to successfully create a clone of Mew. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 15:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::::False. The anime is LOSELY based off the games. Hence the anime's Magnemites and Koffings don't need "partners" of the same specie in order to evolve, Red and Green are named Ash and Gary, and Mewtwo is a clone which wasn't created on Cinnabar Island. {{unsigned|Spideym}}
:::::The anime is based on the games in therms of major events, such as catching Pokémon, battling, encountering some characters, etc., not because of it shows some Pokémon before the time (such as Kecleon or Wynaut) it goes in depth of everything on Pokémon, it means that it is just media where Satoshi Tajiri wants to give an update of what's coming. So, according to the games (and basing on how cloning works on real world), Mewtwo was born from Mew. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Choose to believe what you want but Mewtwo was cloned in the anime and the games and was not technically born. Mewtwo's Red and Blue entry "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments" meaning it was cloned. It was never stated that Mewtwo was inplanted in Mew and there is no proof of that. The book that said "Mew gave birth" is all you have to go by and it's most likely a metaphor and not a literal statement.--'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Cloned and born is the same. There is no clone that grows in a tank. If the anime showed something like that is just because it's children-oriented and some children just don't know how they born. Also I don't think it's important either, this looks like a forum thread. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
:You and I both know that the Pokémon world works differently from our own. So, having a clone grow inside a tank in the Pokémon world is highly possible considering all the other technology that is used. And clones are different from naturally created creatures. They are not created the same way. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
:: To be honest, as much as we say giving birth is a metaphor, etc. At the end of the day, things stated as fact in the anime are NOT considered to be true in the games. In the games, disregarding all evidence from the anime, we are told nothing about Mewtwo's creation other than that it was cloned (I think this first appears in Yellow's dex, but I'm not sure) and that Mew gave birth to it. We also know that these two events are possible to both be true. Additionally, I seem to recall the information about Mew giving birth to Mewtwo being written in someone's log of events - it seems unlikely that they would use metaphors in a log of events. Basically, what I'm trying to say is, based on the evidence exhibited in the games, NOT IN THE ANIME, clearly, Mewtwo was cloned from Mew, and Mew gave birth to Mewtwo.- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly's mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastly's mama|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::Unless you can prove its a metaphor, its stays. It gave birth. Says so in the game, and last time i checked, this is the game article.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::You make it sound like Mewtwo was conceived. "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments."-Mewtwo's Red/Blue Pokédex entry. Technically by this, Mewtwo was created by a scientist after years of DNA experiments. All of Mewtwo's Pokédex entries except Yellow, Gold, Silver, and Stadium 2; mention something about genetic mutation and engineering. It was never stated that after the scientific genetic engineering, Mewtwo was implanted into Mew. Sure, in the real world, a clone is implanted into a parent, but you and i know that the real world and the Pokémon world can be quite different from each other. And with this being an encyclopedia, you can't just assume something took place because that's what would really happen. Either it was a metaphor refering to the fact that after years of attempting to successfully clone something from Mew, the scientists were finally able to create something (something being born of Mew's DNA), or Nintendo/GameFreak really wanted to confuse people on how Mewtwo was created, in the games anyway. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 01:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:I will find the screenshot. it Literally says "Mew gave Birth TYoday, we called it Mewtwo. Check in fir red, journal on the third floor.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:: What I was trying to say was that (in agreement with DCM) since in the games it says that it was both spliced (pokedex entry) and born (pokemon journal), and we know it is possible for both to happen at once, surely the only reasonable conclusion to draw
is that both DID happen? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny coloration ==

Just stating that the gold may have been a poor excuse for a type of olive green or the such, and they decided to define it more in the coming generations. - [[User:JWhitt|J]][[User_talk:JWhitt|Whitt]] 13:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Wait, how do you get a shiny Mewtwo in Gold and Silver?[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 17:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::I'm not 100% sure but i think that if your Mewtwo has an IV value less than 8 in your blue, red, or yellow game, and you trade him over to your silver, gold, or crystal game, it will become shiny. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 18:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:::What's with this green coloration? I thought it was black. Or is that just the Mewtwo i obtained through a Brainboy cheat device? It looks black on the GBC screen, and on Pokémon stadium 2 in both the stadium and during gameboy mode. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 02:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::::So can anyone tell me whats with the difference. I'm kind of figuring that somewhere in the extraction process the sprites colors were messed up. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 19:37, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

==Dodging Balls==
I haven't seen ANYTHING on this page pointing out that Mewtwo would actually dodge Poké Balls in Red, Blue, and Yellow. I think it should be included, since it's the only catchable Pokémon that's ever done so. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:The only Pokemon that dodges Poke Balls is the ghost Marowak. Poke Balls thrown at Mewtwo can miss, yes, which is different from "break out without shaking"—but this is the case for any "special" Pokemon in RBY, including Snorlax. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::A pokemon that has Dug, Flown, etc cant be caught, and I distinctly remember Zapdos pokeballs--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]
:::Not true. I found a wild {{p|Diglett}} using {{m|Dig}}. I caught it. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the original games?--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]
:::::In the original games, and in fact all games, Dig and Fly make no difference in whether a monster can dodge the ball. It is based solely on whether the encounter is special (legends, Snorlax) or if the player is in the Safari Zone. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
In the original games, there was a very slim chance of Pokémon dodging, see [[Poké Ball#Poké Ball Accuracy|this article]] for details. It's limited to Safari Zone, Snorlax and Legendaries (which would include Mewtwo). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 22:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure it wasn't that slim. I remember (unless using Master Ball) having to put all legendaries to sleep before the ball would hit them. Snorlax too, but it wasn't exactly difficult to get Snorlax to sleep... [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 21:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC) [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]

== Diet... ==

No one is really quite sure if Mewtwo even eats, so shouldn't something be done about the diet section? We've never really seen Mewtwo eat. [[User:Animine|Animine]] 01:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:Pokémon food's the basic answer for it all. Plus, um, try feeding poffin or Pokéblocks to Mewtwo, it eats those in the games. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Manga... ==

{{spoilers}}
The Mewtwo in Special is actually quite a prominent character, having appeared in the series which starred Red as a main character. While it doesn't make much of an appearance in the RGB saga, it actually makes a difference in the Yellow saga, with Yellow imitating the Psywave attack to supposedly defeat Lance. Even after that, in the FRLG saga, Mewtwo actually becomes part of the crew, having defeated R once, rescued Green's parents, beating the shit out of Deoxys and being the main reason why Red, Blue, Green, Yellow and Silver were turned to stone. So why not have an extra page for it? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 09:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

:Sounds like a good idea go for it's recurring Pokémon.--[[Santa Claus|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 00:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Super Smash Bros Melee ==

Isn't "''Mewtwo is considered to be the poorest character when played at the highest metagame. It is easy to knock off the stage due to its large body and light weight. In addition, Mewtwo is slow, does not have any fast defensive options and also has general problems with some of its other moves. This all leads to Mewtwo's position in the bottom tier.''" an opinion? I thought we are supposed to represent a neutral point of view? In my opinion Mewtwo actually ''isn't'' that bad. [[User:Firestorm|--Fire]][[User talk:Firestorm|storm]] 03:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:What you're saying is a personal opinion. What you've quoted is actually considered to be true by a lot of people, plus it's almost all true anyway - Mewtwo is slower than Ganondorf, Has NO offensive moves (besides Shadow Ball, which takes forever to charge, and then loses it if you get hit in the middle of charging), and falls about as fast as Metal Mario. Personally, I remember him being a heavyweight, but...yea. He pretty much sucked all by himself Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 21:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::Pretty much everything metagame is an opinion, so.... eh. If it was me, I'd delete it, though. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Everything that's been said is true, but Firestorm does have a point. The text seems opinionated. [[User:Animine|EcksAcksisAnimine]] 22:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Game Bio ==

So...how do we know that Cerulean Cave collapsed, and all that other stuff afterwards? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Psigon}} ([[User talk:Psigon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psigon|contribs]]) ''
:Because of the events that occurred in Gen II, three years after Gen I. And please, sign your comments on talk pages. It makes it easier for everyone :D — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Similarity to Giegue/Giygas ==

Is it worth mentioning that Mewtwo has a similar appearance to Giygas [http://earthbound.wikia.com/wiki/Giygas] from the Mother series' form in the original Mother? Obviously the whole "resembles Freeza from Dragon Ball Z" thing is way too out of whack, but both Mewtwo and Giygas have various similarities, including the tails, the ears, the similar bad tempers, the white bodies and the fact that the team that worked on the Mother series also worked on the Pokémon series.--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 16:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do we have any... real art of Giygas that actually shows him as a whole being? That's tiny art at best, and at that size, Gold looks like Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Real art, no and I will admit that it having "similar ears" is a bit sketchy, but it's confirmed to have a tail in the game via dialogue. The tail is fairly visible if you mainly look at the Mewtwo looking thing in the middle and not the orb/shield thing around it.--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 14:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== false info? ==

The article says mewtwo is the first pokemon to use a genII move, but i think that's false.

for one thing I'm pretty sure Mewtwo doesn't use that spherical attack until his battle with mew.

From how Mewtwo acts using psychic in Stadium, and given that psychic can be in a spherical form it might just be psychic he's using.

Donphan uses Rollout at the opening battle. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 19:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well how are you so sure Donphan is using Rollout? We have just as much evidence that it uses Rollout as Mewtwo's using Shadow Ball: on the basis that it looks like that traditional attack. Also, SSBM Mewtwo, who is obviously based on the movie Mewtwo, has Shadow Ball as an attack. I will give you that Donphan most likely displayed the first Gen II move but Mewtwo most likely used Shadow Ball. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::Well it does get hard to tell when the creators can't keep a conform appearance to moves. Psychic has been used as balls of energy, common levelitation of the opponent then throwing the opponent. I think its even been used as a force field.

::I'm pretty sure Donphan takes the goal for first II gen move used. If i remember the beginning of the movie right, mewtwo mostly just used shock wave like attacks and levitation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Levitation. That's how Psychic is shown in the anime. Mewtwo definitely used Shadow Ball. But Donphan did technically use Rollout earlier in the movie. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::In DP102 they had psychic used as balls in combination with something if i remember. Either way we should remove the Trivia right? Someone else will have to do it, i for some reason keep getting logged out and getting the view source screen. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::It was with Will-O-Wisp. And Psychic is used to move things, keep things from moving, and stuff like that. And don't take it out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Its Obvious that Donphan used Rollout before Mewtwo got into it with mew. Donphan's article even mentions it used rollout in the movie [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:And now you're jumping around.... but we need more than just your opinion on it before we do anything. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Its not my oppinion, even TTE said Donphan used Rollout earlier in the movie. A mod and a article both says that a move was used by donphan who does it before mewtwo so the Trivia is false. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well then take it out. Don't just sit there talking about taking it out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I did remove it, and as i said before Editing is difficult at the moment with the system going buggy with timeouts, session loss data and stuff. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Three 'segments'? ==

What are the segments that the Trivia talks about? -[[User:Smeargle|Smeargle]] 12:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

:Removed... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== Ruby/Sapphire, FireRed/LeafGreen Sprites ==

The Ruby and Sapphire sprite for Mewtwo is the same as the FireRed and LeafGreen sprite, so is there a reason to why [[Image:Spr 3f 150.png]] and it's Shiny counterpart do not have Sprites uploaded?
If it's because they are the same, then why hasn't the Sprite Template for Mewtwo been edited so it just shows the same image for Ruby & Sapphire as for FireRed & LeafGreen? Just a thought... [[User:ASecondOpinion1501|ASecondOpinion1501]] 15:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:If they are ''exactly'' the same then the page on the archives needs to be redirected to the RS sprite, rather than the same sprite being uploaded again. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying to me quickly. How does one redirect an Archive Page to another one because all it does is ask me to upload a fresh image? Apologies for the possible n00bish sound to this. Thanks - [[User:ASecondOpinion1501|ASecondOpinion1501]] 19:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:::All done :D thanks.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Interwiki ==

I've just done the interwiki from Italian to English, why doesn't the software read the interwiki from Italian to English? The Italian version is: http://www.pcentral.eu/wiki/Mewtwo {{unsigned|Abcd}}
:Pcentral wiki is not a member of the [[Encyclopaediae Pokémonis]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS ==

The standard sprite: 150.png, is different from the sprite in the sprite box for HGSS. Which one is correct? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:whats different, aside from the animation? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::What animation? Just, which one is used in HGSS? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::now youre genuinely confusing me. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::The sprites are different for 150.png and the uploaded HGSS sprite. Which one is the ''real'', used in HGSS, sprite? Or is it just my stupid Internet Explorer? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::most likely your stupid IE, but in the same vein, they should still appear the same, im going to look into this. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Looks like the animated version doesn't use the stationary sprite for the first frame, so it appears different. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Saybleye ==

Do you you think that this article should mention is the trivia that the fire+leaf mewtwo can't hurt saybleye? I know it is pretty irrelevent, but if I would have known that, then I would have another master ball. as a note, spirtitomb is also immune, but he is in gen. 4 {{unsigned|The snargret guy}}
:Eh. It might be. What are its moves when it's found? Psychic, Mist, Safeguard, and Recover? It's been so long since I caught one. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
swift, recover, phychic and something else, it's only damaging attacks are swift and psychic ([[User:The snargret guy|The snargret guy]] 23:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC))
:Add it if you want, then. You might need another opinion though, because I agree, it is minor. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think it's something worth mentioning. The Pokémon are in mutually exclusive games. If you could get Sableye or Spiritomb in FRLG without trading then it would be borderline still, but it's a no. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
@ The snargret guy, it's moveset in FR/LG is Swift, Safeguard, Psychic and Recover. Ok?
([[User:HexagonBlastoise|HexagonBlastoise]] 14:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia==

In Pokemon HG and SS Mewtwo's battle song is a remix of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl's wild battle song. -[[User:Pkmn master|Pkmn master]] 11:35:39, 13 Febuary 2010
:Uh.. no it's not. It's battle song is the same as any other Wild Pokémon in Kanto.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 16:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Amber/Movie Content ==

I don't think the whole Amber/"Mewtwo Returns" stuff should be mentioned here. That part has nothing to do with the games and it was added to the story of the first movie much later. Maybe the whole movie content shouldn't be mentioned. I think that belongs to the page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mewtwo_(anime) Mewtwo (anime)] only. {{unsigned|Aicona}}
:A lot of what we get for the behavior sections comes straight from the anime or manga. Barely any of it is explained in the games for any Pokémon. The only reason Amber is mentioned for Mewtwo is because her loss is part of what psychologically changed his way of thinking. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia Too Long ==
I think the trivia on Mewtwo's page is way too long, and could really use a trim-down. Especially things that are not unique to Mewtwo, like noting that it and Rayquaza are the only Pokémon with their base stat total not to have signature moves. I'd be willing to go in and clean this up, along with trivia sections on the rest of the species pages, if the admins would like me to. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 07:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Nocturnal? ==

At the end of Mewtwo Returns, it was stated that Mewtwo had chosen to roam freely at night. Being the only one, this would make its species nocturnal. Should this be added to the behavior section? --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 03:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:Could be he just wanted to remain inconspicuous. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 03:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:: Ihave no doubt that was the reason. But even with a reason it still makes him nocturnal. Most nocturnal creatures are nocturnal because they don't want to be found by things that can harm them just like humans could harm Mewtwo.--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Even still. That's the anime Mewtwo. Not all Mewtwo in general. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 04:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::The games Pokédex entries refers to Mewtwo as "it", meaning only one just like the anime and manga. The fact that you can cpture more than one is a paradox that is traditionaly ignored.--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well the anime and the games are different. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 04:24, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::: Like I said the Mewtwo in the games are a PARADOX, meening they technicaly should not be there. I would also like to point out that the article refers to Mewtwo as it as well.--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, the article refers to Mewtwo as it. That's because in all canons there is only one of them. It doesn't mean that it is the same one in all the canons. What applies to anime Mewtwo does not necessarliy apply to Adventures manga Mewtwo or game Mewtwo. Unless Mewtwo was developed by Fuji alongside a child, in solitary confinement by Blaine and born by Mew all at the same time. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Even so, I think it is still notable. Could we still put it in if we clearly stated that it was an instance in the anime only? All we would have to do is stick "In the anime" at the begining.--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 15:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

How could have Mewtwo's name come from Mew when Mew was added in at the last moment of Red and Green's development? [[User:Metalmallow|metalmallow]] 09:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:The Pokémon design process is complex and it's entirely possible that Mew or Mewtwo could have come first and one's name could or could not be derived from the other —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 10:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Rumor ==

I've heard of a rumor before that if you try to *ahem* "catch" Mewtwo in a regular Pokeball, all of the Pokeballs in your bag will break. Anyone else on the subject?
 [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]]
:It's a lie. There are users here who have sucessfully caught Mewtwo in a regular Poké Ball. Also, please don't put a linebreak before your signature. A space is fine. Thanks. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:10, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Incorrect Trivia ==

Mewtwo has not got the highest base stat total of all psychic-type pokemon as arceus with a plate has 720. {{unsigned|Mattrules161}}
:I think the trivia entry was supposed to mean he has the highest base stat total of all natural psychic-type pokémon. Arceus doesn't quite count since it needs a psychic plate to even become psychic type, and is by default a normal type. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Niue Coin ==

About the trivia for the Niue coin, I found this one, a ten-dollar coin: www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/WorldCoinPrices.aspx?category=105024&worldcoinid=272241
But searching on this same site, other Niue coins featuring Mewtwo, with different values (1 dollar and 50 dollars, I think) appear too.
Also, other Pokémon were featured according to this site and to a quick search on eBay: http://search.reviews.ebay.com/?satitle=pokemon&ucat=6213&uqt=r
These pokémon also have different types of coins each.
How should this be portraited in the trivia? [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 19:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Question about Origin ==

I noticed this in the "Origin" section: "Mewtwo looks strikingly similar to {{wp|Giygas}}'s {{wp|Mother (video game)}} appearance, because some of the people who had previously worked on the Mother series also worked on the Pokémon series." I was wondering if this was okay. I thought type of thing was considered speculation? I was going to remove it, but I remember seeing some discussions about it in the past and thought I would ask first. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 07:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
:I see the conversation on this subject earlier on the page now. How did I miss that? "Giygas" is in the header . . . Anyway, it doesn't seem to have been resolved. So . . . anyone? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 15:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
::I don't see the resemblance myself, and, like someone said up there, at that size it's hard to make anything out. I don't know if it's notable or speculation or whatever, but at the very least I'll reword it so it's not so definite. --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 16:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

==Myuutu?==
I think the kana reads Myuutu. [[User:JacobTheDoduo|JacobTheDoduo]] 23:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:It's Myūtsū technically but Mewtwo is the trademarked romaji. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:23, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

==Blaine?==
"''where the scientists, including Blaine and Dr. Fuji, performed horrific gene-splicing experiments''"

Where in the games is any of that stated? I never played FireRed or LeafGreen so if it's in one of those then nevermind, but in Red / Blue / Yellow the only mention of Dr. Fuji in regard to the lab is that he's the lab's founder and there is absolutely no mention of Blaine in regard to the lab or Mewtwo. It seems to me that someone is mixing facts from the anime (Dr. Fuji) and facts from the manga (Blaine) with information from the games. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 00:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

==16th Movie==
Serebii says that Mewtwo was featured in the [[M16|16th Pokémon Movie]] [[Genesect]] was in. {{unsigned|TheShinyMew}}
:We need further evidence than that before anything can be added here. Serebii is a fansite as well, and is not a valid source for adding information here. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
::Just to add to this, Serebii and other fansites are reporting it based on leaks from [[CoroCoro]] magazine. If the leak is accurate, we'll add the info when the CoroCoro issue is officially released (or if another reliable source reports it sooner than CoroCoro). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:18, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:::We've had our own article concerning this for about 11 hours. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:32, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
::::No any speculation crackdown now, could be unprotected. Yuyama said that not the same one with the anime one already. KyleRGiggs 20:00, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

== Forgotten Moves ==

I'm sure I'm not the first person to notice that even though Mewtwo's movesets from Generation I show that it starts off with Confusion and Disable, it is impossible to legally own one knowing those moves. They get replaced by two of the four it would have learned by level 70, the lowest possible level it can be obtained in. I just think it's worth making a note of that somewhere, since relearning moves wasn't possible before Pokémon Stadium 2. [[User:X-master|X-master]] ([[User talk:X-master|talk]]) 01:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

== New Forme ==

Should we add what we know so far of this new Mewtwo form? [[User:Dralcax|(O++O) Dralcax]] ([[User talk:Dralcax|talk]]) 23:41, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
:No, nothing says it's a form. It may be an evolution, a baby form, an entirely separate Pokemon. We don't know. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 23:42, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
::It says a new Pokémon on Pokemon.com/pokemonxy, so I think it's pretty safe to say that it's not a new form. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 00:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Actually, it's not- new forms have been hyped as "new Pokemon" before. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 00:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Well should we say that the new form has a similar appearance to Mewtwo in the trivia secion? [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]])1:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::As of now, we know absolutely nothing about it, not even if its Mewtwo. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 01:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::Well, it is everything but confirmed that it's Mewtwo, otherwise it wouldn't have been replaced on that leaked poster several days ago, since Mewtwo is one of the stars of the movie and is on the posters recently. But 100% confirmation wouldn't hurt. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 08:23, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Admins, at least add in the Trivia Section about the new pokémon that resembles Mewtwo[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 08:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
::::::::How exactly? "The new Pokémon that resembles Mewtwo resembles Mewtwo"? We don't know its name. We know nothing about it. We shouldn't add it in as a result of that. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 08:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::As for now, best to leave it as it is. Not even been a full day and way too many people off site are speculating it is a forme of Mewtwo despite the official site saying it is only ''similar'' to Mewtwo. I'll laugh quite hard if it turns out to be like what happened when Shellos was newly introduced (people also speculated it to be related to Lapras). :P ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 15:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, leave it how it is, the Pokemon site only says it shares similarities to Mewtwo, and thats it! I know alot of people assume and speculate that it's either a new forme of Mewtwo or an evolution of Mew and/or Mewtwo, but theres those keywords "assume" & "speculate", and if I am correct, there is no assuming or speculating allowed on actual pages. Only the facts can be added! So until we know more, there is no reason or point to add it to Mewtwo's page! PokeNerd 15:51, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:Quite the contrary, since Pokemon.com ''explicitly'' points out a connection, I think it's relevant to mention here eventually - just probably not until we have enough info for it to have its own page that we can link to. Until then, I'd lean toward either no mention or just including the Bulbanews news box for the announcement. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
::Well then maybe we should put up a notice at the top of the page to not edit the mewtwo page until we have more information. I don't want to get into another edit wars like what we had with ash's charizard a while back. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 00:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Actually, the page is already protected, so that's not really necessary. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 00:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
This New whatever it is, is spreading like wild fire with rumors. We shouldn't jump the gun on this; We should wait for the new trailer on the 18th or when better, more reliable info comes in. For now we have to be patient and professional with this new development. We owe it to the integrity of Mewtwo and all Pokémon to not just add something every time a new rumor surfaces, or we think a leek is real. Admittedly part of me would love to make a Trivia about this form coining (or retooled) the phrase Mewtation, but its not notable enough (yet if ever) to be added. I instead am using that energy to wait patiently for the trailer promised to premier on the 18th, as well as any other info, especially concerning Sylveon's type.

Now, this is what I observed in the current trailer; Mewtwo begins to glow just after saving the gang, and the camera cuts away. Now weather he transforms to this new form or evolves, thats anyone's guess. Mewtwo glowing and then Mutating into a new form or Evolving is likely possible, after all we're dealing with a man made Pokémon with the species name the Genetic Pokémon. Mutations are a normal occurrence in genetics, and the upcoming generation already foreshadows a genetic aspect. However anything past that would be irresponsible speculation.

Don't worry everypony, soon the hype of this thing will die down and we'll get some if not all the fact straight. Until then, lets just focus on improving the article and the rest of Bulbapedia and remember the word Mewtation just in case it becomes official like Eeveelution before it did. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 01:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I love that "mewtation" saying, very catchy! But to reply to the user above, I have a very strong feeling the hype of this new Pokemon will not die down! But I agree, leave this page as it is, nothing to add to it, so for now, the Mewtwo page is perfect the way it is at this moment! :) PokeNerd 11:12, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, can't even discuss Pokémon articles without getting MLP shoved down one's throat. Would it not at least be accurate and current to update the page with something vague like "on [date], a new Pokémon related in some way to Mewtwo was revealed by Pokémon Smash" or something? Just to keep Bulbapedia up to date without affirming rumours. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 22:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
:: That still kind of pushes it, its best we just wait until more info comes up. Otherwise just posting even that much could cause people to get confused. Not sure if you are old enough to remember the whole Pikablue thing with Marill. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Heads up, April's CoroCoro confirms it's a new Forme of Mewtwo explicitly, just without giving it a name. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 06:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Can we at least code it to change art with it's unidentified forme name? --[[User:Dragon146|Dragon146]] ([[User talk:Dragon146|talk]]) 14:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Or should it at least be changed from saying "It is not known to evolve to or from another Pokemon" to "While it is not known to evolve to or from another Pokemon, it has a second form." since it's confirmed? Or should it wait until we know how Mewtwo changes forms? [[User:Bolter1|Bolter1]] ([[User talk:Bolter1|talk]]) 02:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:Pokémon with forms get a box [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shaymin_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Evolution like Shaymin's] --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 13:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
::Pokemon with forms also get a mention of said form at the beginning of the article. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 21:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. I quickly looked at Shaymin's and Arceus's descriptions, and each say "While it is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon," followed by an explanation of how it achieves its other form/s. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 04:18, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of the new forme thing, should we add that Mewtwo is the first Pokemon to receive a new forme outside of its debut generation, much like when it received Psystrike as a signature move? I think that would be interesting to point out, if it's true.[[User:Uncle Edit|He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit!]] ([[User talk:Uncle Edit|talk]]) 21:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:It's the first new Forme where this is the case, but Unown and Pichu got new forms outside their generation. It's likely also going to be the first time a Pokémon receives a new form or Forme outside its generation that it can transform into, from the looks of all the promotional material. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 22:17, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I has been reading, like in Serebii, that the new forme is called the Eclair forme. Also, it HAS been confirmed by CoroCoro. [[User:Garyoak|Garyoak]] ([[User talk:Garyoak|talk]]) 13:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

: Apparently from what I found on a GameFAQ forum thread, Eclair is likely referencing to the French word éclair meaning lightning, flash etc. rather than the pastry. The Mods will get around to editing the article as needed, i think they are just waiting to get all their Psyducks in order before then. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/éclair [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::People, we already know that it's been confirmed. The name, however, has not. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 00:08, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

CoroCoro recently announce it's forme as its Awakened forme. we should code it to change artwork and screenshots of their formes--[[User:Dragon146|Dragon146]] ([[User talk:Dragon146|talk]]) 15:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
:If that were to be the case, it would've been already changed. CoroCoro did not reveal a name, only that it's a form of Mewtwo. "Awakened Forme" is just an assumption based on the title of [[M16]]. ☼ [[User:Blazingfist|Blazing]][[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 15:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

There should at least be some mention of it in the article, though, no? '''[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]]''' 01:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree with Luigi-San. Since it has been confirmed to be a new form for Mewtwo and the trailer for M16 explicitly shows Mewtwo going into its new form, shouldn't it at least be mentioned in the article? Something along the lines of "While it is not known to evolve into or from any other pokemon, Mewtwo has been confirmed to have a new form which will debut in M16, although information regarding this new form is currently scarce." --[[User:AlexM123|AlexM123]] ([[User talk:AlexM123|talk]]) 01:37, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

It can not be edited currently, but this is what I think:
"On April 7, 2013, Mewtwo's new form announced in Smash (although the news is a few days ahead of sneaking).
However, it is as a new Pokémon announced until April 15, it was formally announced to Mewtwo's new form.
The specific circumstances is still do not know, only know the form will debut in M16, as the appearance of Mewtwo's awakening. And it will debut in Pokémon X & Y."([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 12:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC))
:...I think we'll have someone who's proficient in English write the section. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 20:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== Different Mewtwo ==

Given that both the manga and the trailer have strongly indicated that the Mewtwo that is going to appear in [[M16]] is different from the one that Ash previously encountered, shouldn't this be reflected in the anime section (as it currently states that they're the same)? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] ([[User talk:Watchermark|talk]]) 00:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I think they are the same Mewtwo just change CV. All still have to wait for the actual announcement of the movie or they direct point out it.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 01:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC))
:There is no conclusive evidence that it is a different Mewtwo. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 02:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

In fact there is conclusive evidence that it '''IS''' the same Mewtwo. Director Kunihiko Yuyama's statement on the official website for the film explains that Mewtwo has changed after traveling the world following the events of Mewtwo Returns. [[User:Catty1|Catty1]] ([[User talk:Catty1|talk]]) 03:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Look we are not going to change the pages just because of something someone says. We are going to wait until we have ACTUAL conclusive evidence. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 14:44, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

::Well, I had a different news. Director Kunihiko Yuyama's statement on the official website stated that both Mewtwo are different. In this case, stop discussing that until we got message. Thanks. Also, anyone could make the X Forme and Y Forme for Mewtwo for prepare in Generation VI, please? KyleRGiggs 07:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

:::Hold on a minute, what's this about X and Y forms? All we know about for sure is normal and this Eclaire/Awakened one. Where was it ever stated that there are two new ones? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 20:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::::What? X and Y Formes? There is no such thing. All we know is that Mewtwo has a new Forme. The name of the new one and its original one are unknown now. If you're talking about that picture that's been circling the internet, it's fake. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 20:56, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::I'm responding to this KyleRGiggs guy: "anyone could make the X Forme and Y Forme for Mewtwo for prepare in Generation VI, please?" Where the hell di this one come from? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 21:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:Scuse me Nuckles but what on Earth did you just contribute? Because it sounds like nothing. Was it nothing? It was nothing wasn't it? The Mewtwo in the trailer has a completely different voice. In fact, it's now got a feminine voice. That's a pretty big "hint" (by which I mean "'''huge flipping sign with flashing lights and sparklers'''") that it's a different Mewtwo. How about instead of saying it is a different Mewtwo, we just don't mention it at all? No mention of the new movie, at all, until it's actually been released. Doesn't that make the most sense? Especially now we have two conflicting bits of evidence (one person says the director confirms they're the same, another says the director confirms they're different). I mean, nobody's willing to say "oh and hey Mewtwo has a new form now" on its page. So why are we mentioning the movie at all when we don't 100% know for absolutely sure that it's the same Mewtwo. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 01:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::You can't use Mewtwo's new voice as evidence. It's been more than ten years since Mewtwo has spoken in the anime. They probably have hired new voice actors. If having a different voice means that it is a different person, then by that logic Ash is a different person too after new voice actors were hired. Also, you are basing your evidence from the Japanese movie trailer, not the English one (which hasn't been released as of this comment). The English version could have either a feminine voice or a masculine voice, but we just don't know at this point. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 03:33, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Why do we have to wait for the English version to determine if it is a different Mewtwo? We will determine if it is a different Mewtwo or the same when the movie airs in Japan.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::::I agree. I am just saying you can't use a new voice in a different language for a character that has been absent from the series for ten years as evidence that this is a different Mewtwo. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 03:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::You cannot compare the original to the dub. Ash (Satoshi) has had the same Japanese voice since the series launched, so you cannot compare his Japanese voice to his English voice. If it was the same Mewtwo, it would have the same voice, no doubt. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::True, but Ash hasn't exactly had Mewtwo's ten year hiatus either. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 04:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::::It is true that sometimes voice actors change over the course of years even in the original version. Sometimes unforeseen circumstances occur in which the original voice actor can't fulfill their role. However, this does not seem to be the case. If the original voice actor can't come back, they replace them with someone that sounds similar. This Mewtwo sounds nothing like the original Mewtwo. The new one is voiced by a woman and the first one was voiced by a man. There is too much of a difference in their voices. It's like changing the voice of Ash's Snivy from Michele Knotz to Jason Griffith. There's no way they would do something like that if it was the same Pokémon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:13, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::::But there is still no conclusive, solid evidence that proves it is a different Mewtwo; the statement by Yuyama is too vague to be definitely taken either way. It could literally be as simple an explanation as they just felt like changing Mewtwo's voice. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 05:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::::: Or were unable to hire the original voice actor. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 06:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:The argument over whether it definitely ''is'' a different Mewtwo or not isn't going to be resolved by this argument alone, so I think a more prudent approach to avoid spreading possible misinformation would be to move the M16 note out of the ''Mewtwo Strikes Back'' character's section and into its own section which mentions that it is not yet clear whether this Mewtwo is or is not the same one from M01. Then, when we know more, we can merge the two sections or keep them separated. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:08, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::Something like this? "Mewtwo is set to make an appearance in [[M16]], in a conflict with the [[Genesect Army]] in [[New Tork City]]. It is currently unclear if this Mewtwo is the same one from ''Mewtwo Strikes Back'' and ''Mewtwo Returns''." --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 02:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you Butler. A reasonable comment based off of the information at hand. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 04:43, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
:::The page is still locked, so none of us proles can do anything about it. Also, New '''York''' City. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 05:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
::::The name of the place is New Tork City. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 05:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::Indeed I am wrong and simply thought Nuckles had mistyped. This information would be great on the [[M16]] page, instead of saying "New York City, including Central Park." --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 15:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::I think you are thinking of Butler, IWannaBeTheVeryBest, not me. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 19:14, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

:::::::I'm wrong again. Sorry, these messages are all stacked on top of each other with no spaces in between. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 03:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

::::::::That's what indents are for lol [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 04:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Note the New Form. ==

I believe that both trivia and the note about M16 should note the new form. And it should be depicted and described in physical appearences

[[User:TheJaceX|TheJaceX]] ([[User talk:TheJaceX|talk]]) 00:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

:Well, if you read the above discussion^, they were already disputing about whether it's a new forme, evolution, baby form, etc. or a new Pokemon altogether. (In my honest opinion, it's a forme) Let's just wait and see [[User:Raykyogrou0|Raykyogrou0]] ''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|Talk]])'' 09:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
::Last I checked, CoroCoro ''said'' it was a new forme, but everyone on this site seems to be denying that. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 18:25, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Indeed, it is a form, that's indisputably confirmed. Thing is, the form doesn't have a name yet and very little is known about it. When the form's name is revealed and there's more info about it, I'm sure it will be added here. ☼ [[User:Blazingfist|Blazing]][[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 18:41, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
::::Well, it was labelled as the "Eclair" form, last I heard. And since Karosu is based off of France, we can assume that this name is pulling from the French word "''Eclaire,''" which can mean "enlightened," thus tying back to the name of the movie, "Mewtwo Awakens." [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 18:47, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::I've heard about that name, but as far as I know that hasn't been confirmed by an official source. ☼ [[User:Blazingfist|Blazing]][[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 18:48, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::Fair enough, but still, there are plenty of people denying that it is a new forme to begin with, and that ''has'' been confirmed. The article should at ''least'' reflect that it exists, and that new information is being awaited. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 18:51, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::You do have a point there... But I think they're waiting for more information first (though there was a mention of it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Y#Images here] but that has been removed now...) ☼ [[User:Blazingfist|Blazing]][[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 19:00, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::::We know it's a new form, we're just waiting on the name before we add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::After '''5 weeks, 3 Talk sections, and seventy-four comments,''' this is our first notification from an admin? This would have saved all of us a lot of time to know 5 weeks ago. We've been discussing and suggesting for this long and just now the reason is revealed to us. Honestly, I can't fathom a good excuse for waiting this long to tell us. I'm waiting, though. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 12:13, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::Just skimming over the comments I see at least three staff commenting in these discussions. All of which have said along the lines of 'we don't know it's the same and we are waiting for a name to be revealed'. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 13:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Skim better, because no one other than FF has said "we are waiting for the name." Two of the four admins ''only'' discussed voice actors. Of the two others, Ataro only said we shouldn't use an unconfirmed name like "Éclair Forme" and FF addressed it just now. ''Even if'' one incorrectly infers Ataro to have said "'''The reason''' that we haven't mentioned the Forme is '''because''' we don't know its official name," the staff isn't safe from criticism. Why not just announce this as soon as we knew it was definitely a Mewtwo Forme? Why watch us waste all our time discussing something that clearly ''none of us'' in these sections knew/comprehended? Why do we absolutely need a name to just mention the Forme? "In [[Pokémon X and Y]] and its teaser film, [[M16]], {{p|Mewtwo}} is able to use a new Forme." See, that was easy. Slap a 200px image of the Forme, possibly add "The name of this Forme is not yet known", and call it a day. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 14:21, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== New Form picture ==
I recently watched a trailer from the official Japanese Pokémon YouTube, and I screenshotted this (from my iPhone, since I mainly use that. You can make it so that the black bars aren't there):
[[File:MewtwoForm.png|480px|left]].

The trailer, in my opinion was a teaser trailer, or a TV Spot trailer (it was about 1 minute long). [[User:Chaossy|Chaossy]] ([[User talk:Chaossy|talk]]) 12:35, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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== M01 -M16 ==

Hey, different Mewtwo there! Remove some inappropriate words please! KyleRGiggs 03:49, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

== MegaMewtwo ==

[http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/mega_pokemon/ 4' 11" (1.5m) and 72.8 lbs (33 kg).] {{unsigned|Marked +-+-+}}

== Mega Evolution ==

Since forme changes are listed on the evolutionary chain at the bottom of the page, should mega evolutions be added as well? --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 09:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:We're not sure until the staff makes the final decisions on how we're treating Mega Evolutions on the wiki, which probably won't happen until we find out more information about them. Please trust that major Gen VI things aren't being forgotten about; we don't need to be reminded. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I tried asking a Admin about this and got no response so I'll ask here. Why did Bulbapedia and the staff do a 180° and went form accepting Mewtwo's Awaken forme to now changing it to Mega Mewtwo Mega Evolution. Did Game freak originally have this as a forme change then went with the Mega Evolution angle. If so, shouldn't this be investigated and mentioned? I mean usually Bulbapedia shys away from speculation...so why was any info on the Awaken forme change ever put on the page in the first place? Did some official source come out talking about it? This is driving me nuts trying to figure out. If Nintendo/Game Freak Originally meant for this forme to be a forme change, then it should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:[http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/mega_pokemon/ Here's the evidence] [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''オリ''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''ジ''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''ナル''']] TheOriginalOne 22:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::It was (apparently) originally listed as a form on the official Japanese website for the Mewtwo/Genesect movie. Personally, I subscribe to the theory that "form" was just the closest term they could come up with because they didn't want to prematurely reveal/spoil the existence of Mega Evolutions, or that somebody not privy to the Mega Evolution info was writing the promotional copy for the website. I don't think it's a big deal. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:22, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
:::It was called Awakened Mewtwo. I don't think they ever stated it was a Forme, at least in its name. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 04:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

The article, as most recently updated, states ''it can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into two different forms''. Since they are definitely not "forms" in the usual Pokemon sense, we should be very careful about using the generic version of the word to avoid confusing readers. If someone could change "forms" to a different word (Pokémon? Mega Evolutions? states? appearances? etc), that'd be great. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Mega Mewtwo X Mega evolves with Mewtwonite X, so Mega Mewtwo Y Should Mega Evolve with Mewtwonite Y(i think). [[User:Squirtleoshawott461|Squirtleoshawott461]] ([[User talk:Squirtleoshawott461|talk]]) 15:56, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evo Weighting ==

Is it worth noting in the "Trivia" section that Mewtwo is the only Pokemon to lose weight as it Mega Evolves? (Note: I attempted to check this, but I may have missed one or two)

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 05:52, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Is it worth noting that... ==

Mewtwo has the highest special attack stat of all Pokémon that are neither mega evolutions or an alternative form? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|Blaze The Movie Fan]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 18:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
:I'd say possibly, since the highest stat of a type seems to be worth noting, although it starts to be a stretch when you include alternate formes. Also, you can solve you double edit problem by going to preferences>signature and changing your signature there. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 18:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
::"Highest except for" isn't highest, thus not notable. We don't exclude Mega Evolutions in BST trivia anyways. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Mewtwo battle music ==

Would it be worth noting in trivia that when player fights Mewtwo in X/Y, the music features tunes from Gen I? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 11:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
:That also happens for the birds (because they share the music), not sure if that's notable because of that. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 11:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

== Added Giegue-Mewtwo similarity to trivia ==

I added Mewtwo resembling Giegue to the trivia, now may someone please add links to the wikibound pages on Mother(game) and Giygas? I'm kind of a wikinoob... --PalkiaMaster- 0100100100100000010000010100110100100000010001110100111101000100 01:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
:We've actually removed this trivia in the past. We try not to point out unconfirmed references to other games since they're mostly based on opinion. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

== coincidence? ==

Sorry to bother anyone,or if this has been mentioned elsewhere... Um,I'm playing pokemon y and someone traded me a mewtwo(which the data said was caught at unknown dungeon) with 3 max IVs,and later I caught a mewtwo with also 3 max ivs,and after resetting the game 3 times,I also found mewtwo with 3 max ivs in all tries. I know that this could be pure luck but,is anybody experiencing the same thing? Or is there a mention of mewtwo caught in the unknown dungeon being guaranteed to have 3 (or less) max ivs,like pokemon caught in the friend safari? [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 14:55, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
:[[Individual values#Generation VI|It's not a coincidence]]. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:58, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
::I see... I'm sorry,I missed that part on the iv sections [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 15:08, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Mewtwo (Pokémon)

2014-05-31T14:55:10Z

Fiky f: /* coincidence? */ new section

Talk:Gardevoir (Pokémon)

2014-05-25T11:43:45Z

Fiky f: /* the main picture? */

On name origins, what about from the French "Garder" -- to keep, and "voir" -- to see? 
--Slim {{unsigned|Slim}}
:It certainly sounds French in the anime dub. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 11:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
:It could also be a play on the Valkyrie Geiravör (spear+vigilant) --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 18:07, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Could someone please help me! What does it mean when it says "and the red fins it had as Ralts/Kirlia are now gone." Does it mean the red things? On there head? But, Gardevoir still has them! I'm confused.{{unsigned|Gardevoir}}
:I assume it means those on the head... Sure, Gardevoir's and Gallade's are on their chests now... but Ralts and Kirlia have them on their heads, which is the point. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I still don't get why they call them "Fins". I don't think there fins. ~Gardevoir {{unsigned|Gardevoir}}

:More "fin-like" then "fins", to be exact. I think I was one who referred to them as Fins... if you can think of a more accurate word for it (maybe "fin-like ridges"?), then by all means, replace it. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 02:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::I'll probably do that. Thank you for you're help. {{unsigned|Gardevoir}}

:::Right on. Looks just great now. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 21:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, theres a much better understanding of what it means now. --Gardevoir {{unsigned|Gardevoir}}

was gardevoir ever speculated as a counterpart to Alakazam ?? {{unsigned|Palkie}}
:Not... really. Sure, it's kind of a Hoenn counterpart, but Alakazam's there anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

== Gardevoir's attacking pose ==

There's something I've noticed about Gardevoir in Pokémon Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution for quite a while. Whenever Gardevoir attacks, it looks to me as if Gardevoir's holding its arms in a cross formation. It's as if Gardevoir summon power from God to strike their foes or something. Can I make a note of that in the Trivia section?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 05:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:Mmmmmh... I'm thinking... that's too fanony. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::It looks more like some sort of unusual dance move to me. That might actually make more sense, since nearly all of Kirlia's animations (even its KO'd animation!) look like dance movements (which makes it hard for me to understand why Miror. B never uses one....). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Gardevoir - Hypnosis ==

I noticed that my Gardevoir in Gen IV learned Hypnosis at 60, not 63 like the page says. Was that a typo? Or did I do something to learn moves faster..? ~Desu {{unsigned|DesuMaiWaifu}}
:Nope. It was apparently wrong. Fixing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::Cool, glad I could help. ~Desu {{unsigned|DesuMaiWaifu}}

== Gender ratio ==
This might be a silly question, but since I created a new account for this soul purpose, I'll ask it anyway: Given the fact that this Pokemon can only evolve from female Kirilia, shouldn't its gender ratio be 100% female? [[User:WellyDawn|WellyDawn]] 23:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, male Kirlia can evolve into Gardevoir too. It's just that female Kirlia can only evolve into Gardevoir. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Even i am a fan of her(i always treat them as female),i know theyre 50/50 gender.See [[Snorunt]]'s evolutions,theyre just reversed. --[[User:Gillstar34|Gillstar34]] 09:38, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

==Generation V Event Move?==
I was looking at the moves Gardevoir can learn and noticed Hypnosis was in the Event Moves section for Gardevoir even though it learns it naturally. Aside from gaining the move 15 levels early, I don't understand why it is an event move in this case. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 03:41, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
: Good catch, I've removed it, just hope I'm not mistaken too. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 14:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

==Type==
Someone change its type to Psychic/Fairy. '''★~Darklight~★''' 15:17, 11 June 2013 (UTC) 15:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC) 15:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

That's good! Add it! [[User:TheShinyMew|'''~☆I'm TheShinyMew!☆~''']] 15:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

:Guys and girls, we are updating pages as we can, this has just been announced. We aren't super computers, and no, we won't unprotect the pages for user help currently as not all the supporting templates have not been updated to allow them to display correctly as of yet. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 15:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

It says prior to Generation IV (4) it was a pure Psychic type. This error is also on Marill and Jigglypuff pages. It should be VI (6) [[User:Zond|Zond]] ([[User talk:Zond|talk]]) 16:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Notable? ==

[[http://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl#Removed_Assist_Trophies |In the demo]] of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Gardevoir was an assist trophy instead of a Pokémon coming from a Poké Ball. Would this be worth noting in the Super Smash Bros. Brawl segment of the article? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 02:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

== Can a staff member add the BW118 Pokédex entry, I have it already finished below. ==

{{Animedexheader|Unova}}
{{Animedexbody|BW118|Gardevoir|Ash's Pokédex|Gardevoir, the Embrace Pokémon. If Gardevoir's trainer needs protecting, Gardevoir creates a small black hole by using all of its psychic power.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Best Wishes''|Unova}}

cheers [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
:Added. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 15:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
::thank you [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:35, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

== BW122 ==

Could a staff member kindly add the dub title of BW122: ''What Lies Beyond Truth and Ideals'', to the anime section? Thank you! ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 17:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

== Just a thought ==

Maybe we can add spill casters to there possible inspiration? They seam to were robes or gowns, they are the types that analog magic, and they have stats like a spill caster[[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] ([[User talk:Random Chaos|talk]]) 00:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)♥
:You mean a ''spell''caster? I suppose that's sort of plausible, though equating Special Attack with magic is a bit assumptive and might get reverted as speculation/fanon. Please work on your spelling and grammar, though. You're barely comprehensible. (I still can't figure out what you mean by "{{wp|analog}} magic".) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:45, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Could a staff member kindly add the title of [[BW125]], ''Cilan and the Case of the Purrloin Witness!'' to the anime section? Thanks! ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
:Done. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 16:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

== Unnecessary Trivia ==

''Despite its human-like appearance, it isn't in the {{egg|Human-Like}} Egg Group.''

Could this trivia point be removed? I don't have editing permission so I can't remove it myself. This piece of trivia seems dangerously close to the "Despite its Pokédex entries mentioning this Pokémon has... (ability), it cannot learn (move)/have (ability)." trivia which isn't allowed on pages, also several Pokémon are human-like yet aren't in the Human-Like group (such as {{p|Gallade}}, {{p|Mawile}} etc.) so this trivia piece is irrelevant. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 09:55, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I dissagre, it should be put back because it is good triva. For gallade, you can put the same thing and mawile is not that much human-like. can someone back me up. FOR GARDEVOIR. [[User:HoennRemake|HoennRemake]] ([[User talk:HoennRemake|talk]]) 17:52, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Nope. I already won. Trivia point can't be added back in.-[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 18:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

== Type Matchup Chart ==

Should Gardevoir have 2 Type effectiveness charts: One for Gen VI and one prior to Gen VI? {{unsigned|Dark Rust}}
:Nope. Our current one is fine. It has parameters to mark the changes that were made. Someone just needs to update it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 12:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Gardevoir = Fairy Princess? ==
Could Mga Gardevoir's design be based on the idea of a fairy princess? It's a Faory type and is wearing what looks like a princess gown [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 15:48, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Gardevoir itself looks more like a bishonen (guy with feminine features, common in anime, manga etc.) of the magical knight variety than a fairy princess, so no. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 15:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolution/Branch Evolution Trivia ==

I would think that it is worth noting in the Trivia section that Gardevoir is the only Pokémon capable of Mega Evolving that is also part of a branched evolution tree. {{unsigned|MutantGerbil00}}

== Anime Debut ==

It says that Gardevoir made its debut anime appearance in [[AG109]], but wouldn't its appearance in [[M07|Destiny Deoxys]] count as an anime appearance? And that's not a rhetorical question; I actually want to know. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 21:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Lower body ==

The biology section's comment on Gardevoir's lower body seems to imply that it doesn't have legs. However, [[Pokédex 3D Pro]] shows that this is obviously not the case. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 22:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
:"It has long, slender, white legs underneath the gown, and green hair that curls down the sides of its head."--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:12, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
:Well, that's embarrassing.[[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 17:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

== Added origin content ==

The page says that Gardevoir seems to be based off of a ballroom dancer. I would like to argue that Gardevoir, like Kirlia, is based off of a principle ballet dancer. If you look at Gardevoir's legs in 3D models, you can see that they ended in a tapered point. This suggested that Gardevoir--again like Kirlia--is raised 'en pointe' in their stance. Gardevoir's 'dress' is very similar to the dresses that the older and more traditional ballet dancers wore back in the 1800's. This style of dress is still seen today in The Nutcracker, Swan Lake, and many lyrical dances. Gardevoir's shoulders are also noticeably lowered; a technical aspect that is drilled into all ballet dancers very early on. [[User:Noah★|Noah★]] ([[User talk:Noah★|talk]]) 03:52, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:*Wait, wasn't Gardevoir also supposed to have been based off of a magical knight in a way? ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
::seeing as Gardevoir's japanese name is Sirknight, addin in that its possibly based on a knight mage/magical knoght makes sense. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:25, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Can I point out that at level 17 the move learnt is 'lucky chant', not 'wish' as stated. {{unsigned|Cidare}}
:Although {{p|Ralts}} and {{p|Kirlia}} learn the move at that level, this is the page for Gardevoir, where (if it was possible), at level 17 Gardevoir would learn {{m|Wish}}. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

== the main picture? ==

Okay,I don't know what that picture is normally called,but in that picture,gardevoir's fin/horn thingy and eyes are black,instead of red.. Shouldn't it be replaced with more correct one? [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 22:16, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
:It looks fine to me. I'm not sure what you're seeing. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
::I don't know,it's just that it has always been depicted with the color red,and the top picture has its eye and fin colored black/grey... Right? I actually asked people to see what color it is to make sure I'm not colorblind.. I'm sorry if I'm being troublesome.[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 06:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:::It's red on my display. Perhaps there is an issue with your monitor? I assure you the picture on the page is the official art and Gardevoir's fins and eyes are quite red. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::::oh yeah.. I switched to another device and it's red.. .It's still kind of odd though that it could appear black on some device. again,sorry for the trouble.[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 11:43, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Gardevoir (Pokémon)

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Talk:Physical move

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This article attempts to differentiate between contact and physical moves, using {{m|Earthquake}} as an example. I know for a fact that Earthquake is counted as "making contact" because that's what I used to test whether or not the [[Static]] ability would paralyze my {{p|Garchomp}}. Since Static paralyzes on ''contact'', and my Garchomp did indeed get paralyzed, the example used here is incorrect. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 20:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

:That's kind of strange. Bulbapedia lists Earthquake as a Non-contact move. This shouldn't be changed unless it can be confirmed that Earthquake is a move that makes contact. And if it is confirmed, then the Earthquake move page should be changed as well. [[User:Kalinalurik|Kalinalurik]] 20:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Merging the Moves ==

I think the different types of moves (Physical, Special, and Status moves) should be merged into one page since the pages are so short to begin with. They should be merged into one page with appropriate categories. [[User:Chum|Chum]] 12:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

=="Stub"==
This article is very basic, what more does it need? [[User:HavocReaper48|HavocReaper48]] 04:49, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:I think that a list of all physical moves (after Generation IV) would be good, like on the type pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== List of moves ==

I tried adding a list of moves, similar to the [[Status move]] page, but it was removed. May I add it back, or is it unneeded as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Physical_move&diff=2050524&oldid=2050518 this edit summary] suggests. [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 03:54, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

:The list of physical moves was found in a category called Physical moves so there's no need to add them back. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 03:58, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
::I would say that the fact it provides an actual overview/comparison, rather than just a huge (and broken, since you have to click through pages) list of move names, adds value/worth to the list Tacopill added. The fact that it was split by type also added value, IMO. If nothing else, so long as there's such a list on the Status move page, that's a pretty glaring inconsistency. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

:::Yes, having physical moves in a category would help like Pumpkinking did by taking off the list of special moves by type in a [[Special move|page]]. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 04:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
::::The list that was removed from [[Special move]] was not quite as detailed as the one taken from here, but I would still support such a list (or better, one like the one that was here/is on [[Status move]] page) for a convenient/detailed overview.
::::And the list on the [[Status move]] page remains a huge inconsistency at present. I don't want to point fingers, but it's odd to be against this list when [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Status_move&diff=2047629&oldid=2046999 a week ago] you were adding moves to the list on the Status move page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special_move&diff=2049037&oldid=2040069 These edits] were a debate over a simple table, copied from the [[List_of_moves|main list of moves]]. What I have is from the more descriptive pages, like the various type pages. Personally, I prefer to have the same information in multiple pages (such as {{m|Surf}} appearing on its own page and on {{type|water}}, as it allows for easier comparison with other water-type moves. In a similar way, placing Surf here allows one to compare it much more easier with other physical moves. [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 04:48, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

::::::So can we revert them back including the special moves page? If we do, we will easily see a list of moves by damage category. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 04:54, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::::If the lists that were on this page were just duplicating the list on each type's page, then I don't think that's valuable, actually. I actually don't see much use for that kind of pure duplication. If you like comparisons, it should be one big list, and preferably sortable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:58, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
::::::::By chance, can you edit [[Template:Movelist/battle|this template]]? if so, could you add a type column? if we could get that, then I will combine all the tables into one sortable table. [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 05:04, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
{{indent}} I wouldn't even if I could. That template is on single-type pages almost exclusively. The [[Gender|one place]] it isn't, it ''shouldn't'' be that template, it ''should'' have a type. But that's actually just fine. You can just copy that template and make one that has a type column, then use that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
:Alright... seems kind of odd to me that it basically serves the same purpose...but ok then. [[User:Tacopill|Tacopill]] ([[User talk:Tacopill|talk]]) 05:13, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

== target... ==

I'm sorry,but I noticed the target for the move petal blizzard and hold back is wrong,should it be adressed?
[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 05:09, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Gardevoir (Pokémon)

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Talk:Individual values

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== Gen3 bit weights may be wrong ==

In the process of my hacking, I believe I've found that the bit weights in Gen3 listed on this page are partially wrong, namely the isEgg and isNicknamed flags. I'm going to edit them to what I believe are the correct values, but if anyone knows differently, feel free to change them back. -Aerolite

UPDATE: Further hacking has revealed something that I didn't expect - the most significant bit in the IVs actually controls the ability a Pokemon has. If clear, the Pokemon will have its first ability. If set, the Pokemon will have its second. If the Pokemon doesn't have a second ability, when the IVs are generated, this bit is forced clear. If it is artificially set on a Pokemon with only one ability, then said Pokemon will have ''no ability''. --[[User:Aerolite|Aerolite]] 03:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

== 31 In Everything ==

is it possible without hacking? I don't know the answer, but i think whoever can should put it on the page.[[User:GreenAiden555|GreenAiden555]] 05:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:Possible, not probable. Keep hatching and catching Pokémon, you'll eventually get two with the same IVs, too. Of course, now with the personality value... '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

== DV? ==

What does it stand for? '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' 10:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Difference Value? [[User:Tesh|TESH]][[User Talk:Tesh|TALK]][[User:Tesh/Sandbox|SAND]] 19:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:Determinant value. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

::Ohhhhhhhhhhh...'''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥] 10:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

== Determining IVs ==

* How do you determine what a pokemon's IV are so that you can calculate it?
:Veekun's got a calculator that determines them from the Pokémon's stats. There's a link to it at the bottom of the page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

*Thanx a lot TTE. How do you know everything that goes on on this website? 
:[[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

*I have captured a Linoone (Docile) in Ruby at LV26 with SP.DEF 42. The Calcalator now tells me, that this isnt possible (39 would be possible), so does some Pokemon already have some EVs (must minimum have 36), when you capture them? I have never entered a battle with this Pokemon so fare. ----[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 11:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:I did the math by hand and got a range from 20-24. I also just did it on Veekun and got about the same thing. Either you typed it in wrong or the IV calculator you're using is off. [[User:Professor|The Professor]] 03:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== 1 IV = How many points? ==

How many stat points does 1 IV give? Is it like, 1, or 2, or 5? What is it? [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 21:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Each IV gives one stat point at lvl 100 [[User:Prof. Pine|Prof. Pine]] 20:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== which is... ==

which is the maximum number of iv for a pokemon?
is possible to get 31 for each statistic without hacking?
--[[User:Marcat|Marcat]] 12:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:The maximum is 31 in each, though it's extremely rare to get one with perfect IVs. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

== Eggs and IV ==

Are the IVs calculated when you receive the egg or when the egg hatches? [[User:Idiot|Idiot]] 12:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

:The Pokémon is completely determined when received as an egg, not hatched, always. WeavilePwns 02:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Unown's Letter in Generation II ==

After doing a bit of a search on the net, it looked as if nobody knew how to calculate this, and I'm not sure if it's needed/wanted since we are well and truly past Generation II, but for the sake of completeness and out of my own curiosity I thought I'd give it a crack. Anyway I figured out how the letter is calculated, so I'm pretty pleased :D It's all my own work so if you have any questions feel free to ask. Also, this is my first contribution so hopefully it is to the correct standard, I just felt like I should create an account to share my findings! [[User:GreatUnown|GreatUnown]] 12:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:So, you say an Unown's form is determined by its IVs? [[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|q~Bisumito Is Snazzy~p]] ([[User talk:BisumitoIsSnazzy|Talk~]]) 13:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

== Gen V IV Calculation ==

I'm not really one for worrying about IVs, really, but I've been trying to figure out the IVs of some fresh pokémon of mine and the calculations have come up weird when I check them myself using the formula given under the "Generation III" section. All the Generation V section talks about is the guy in the Battle Subway Gear Hub (I think it's called). Could someone maybe add some more detail, or at least confirm that the calculation is the same? (Which means I'm just too stupid or something.) [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 21:09, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:Have you checked your results against those given by online IV calculators (e.g., [http://waitingforseedot.appspot.com/ivs this one])? —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 21:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

==Pokémon Emerald messages==

=== Pokémon judging. ===

"This one, overall, [...]"

1.- "[...] I would describe it as being of average ability."
2.- "[...] I would describe as having better-than-average ability."
3.- "[...] I would say is quite impressive in ability!"

=== Best Stat ===

"Incidentally, the best aspect of it, I would say is its XXX..."

1.- "That stat is relatively good."
2.- "That stat is quite impressive."
3.- "That stat is outstanding!"
4.- "It's flawless! A thing of perfection!"

"... Hm... That's how I call it."

Those where all the messages I got, sadly I have no way to know the amount of points on each, thought the last one it's obviously 31. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 17:05, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

== Stuck in a loop... ==
I seem to be stuck in a loop. I messed up and didn't keep track of my EV's while training, and I didn't find the IV's after hatching. Somebody suggested to calculate the IV's, but I can't seem to do that without the EV's. And I can't figure out how many EV's i've accumulated without knowing the IV's. Sombody please tell me im missing something here! Much appreciated.--[[User:XWaffle117x|XWaffle117x]] ([[User talk:XWaffle117x|talk]]) 17:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
:The only way to do that now would be to drop all your EVs to zero with the {{cat|Friendship-raising Berries|EV-reducing Berries}}, then calculate your IVs, then reset (not restart the whole game, just reset it) and calculate your EVs using your IVs. In future however, please not that Bulbapedia talk pages are for the discussion of the article itself, not the topic of the article; please use [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums] for these kind of questions instead. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:35, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Oh shoot, my bad. I will try to remember in the future. Sorry!--[[User:XWaffle117x|XWaffle117x]] ([[User talk:XWaffle117x|talk]]) 05:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== Individual strengths ==

I'm loathe to start yet another debate on nomenclature but, as proven by SnorlaxMonster's scan of the official guidebook [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21584420/BP/Images/XY%20guidebook%20p374-5.jpg] , IVs are called '''individual strengths''' multiple times, as well as being referred to as "the strengths of the individual" elsewhere. I feel as if all I'm doing lately is arguing in favour of changing everything on the wiki against the will of the staff, though I believe the possibility of a move is something that should be at least discussed. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 15:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
: I don't believe the guidebook is necessarily establishing a term here (note that the phrase "individual strengths" occurs exactly ''twice'' before it segues into a discussion of [[Super Training]] -- not enough to establish a good pattern). Making the matters more confusing is that we do have one '''in-game''' phrase for it already: Three generations feature an NPC offering to judge the "intriguing potential" of your Pokemon, however he himself only uses the term once ''and'' also refers to individual IV's as "stats" for short. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 23:17, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
::As I stated, they are referred to as "the strengths of the individual" elsewhere in the guidebook [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21584420/BP/Images/XY%20guidebook%20p372-3.jpg], which may as well be the same thing (it's in the same diagram that lists base stats and the strengths of the species as names). Does the fact that it's also the title of the paragraph specifically defining and explaining IVs not also somewhat give credence to it as a name? - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 23:37, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with Stratelier. While "Individual strengths" does sound nicer than "Individual values", everyone who understands the concept is used to the term and understands it well enough that changing it now will simply create an unnecessary headache. Mentions in guidebooks, which the vast majority of players don't bother with, shouldn't be relied on too heavily. [[User:Nokota|Nokota]] ([[User talk:Nokota|talk]]) 12:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
:That's not really the most relevant of points, given that Bulbapedia's policy is to use the official names for articles (the only reason that the Effort values article hasn't been moved to Base stats is that it's not been decided what name to move the old base stats page to). If someone wants to argue against it actually being the official name, then that's another story. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 12:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

::Out of curiosity, how is the subject addressed in previous generations' official guidebooks? Consider that "[[base stats]]" (as the name for [[effort values]]) has been used in-game (mostly as "base [stat]") since Gen 1 (Vitamins), Gen 3 (EV Berries), and Gen 5 (Wing items) -- the case for that being an official term is stronger. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 00:50, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
:::In-game it is called "potiential" by the [[stats judge|judge]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 13:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC), edited 13:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC) to change the link from a disambiguation page

== male/female attack iv ==

Well,I was wondering about the statement that says female pokemon have lower attack iv than male. This is how I interpret what the page says,and I hope I'm doing it right. There is a standard which if the pokemon's attack iv is higher than it,it's a male pokemon,and if it's lower,It's a female. Please correct me if I'm wrong,but if I'm right,I actually caught a female gabite from friend safari,and checked it's iv with the judge,and it says that its attack iv is "cannot be beat" which is the highest.. And even after I bred it,its female offspring has max attack iv. Can someone elaborate please? {{unsigned|Fiky f}}
:To elaborate: what you're referring to is only applicable to Gen II games only. From Gen III onward, gender is no longer determined by IVs, so you can have a female Gabite with a perfect Att IV no problem. And please remember to sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, but if you forget and someone uses the {{template|unsigned}} template, we ask you don't resign. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh,I see,thanks.. I feel really stupid now for jumping to conclusions after reading the gender title,not noticing it's under generation 2 part..[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 16:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Individual values

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Talk:Keldeo (Pokémon)

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{{Forme info|647{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 2}}|1=R}}.png|Water|Fighting|[[Form differences#Keldeo|Keldeo's forms]]|Keldeo as though it were in {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 2}}|0=Ordinary Form|1=Resolute Form}}|the artwork shown in the infobox and the anime image shown|day}}

How come we are not menacing that this is also a Unicorn? [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 02:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Keldeo can't be based on a toy? ==

{{p|Banette}} was a plushie/stuffed doll.

{{p|Baltoy}} was based on a top.

So how is it so surprising a Pokemon can be based on a toy line? Pokemon can be based on ANYTHING, there are NO limitations whatsoever. So why not this? - [[User:050294|050294]] 09:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:While those WERE based on toys, they weren't based on specific toy franchises like this. It is based on a unicorn, which My Little Pony is also based on. Sure, Wargle was based by American culture, but on typical American culture. I'm not ruling out that Japanese Pokémon cannot have any American influence, but My Little Pony isn't something which is widely known enough for a foreigner to likely know. I did quickly research it, and while My Little Pony has reached Europe and China, there is no mention of Japan. Just because something looks like something else does not mean that it was based on it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::I guess I can see where you're coming from somewhat. However, just because it isn't widely known by foreigners does not mean it can't be made into a Pokemon. Origins are also used to point out resemblances as well. For example, The plant on Venusaur's back vaguely resembles the giant flower Rafflesia.", so saying that Keldeo resembles a My Little Pony doll really doesn't seem out of place. - [[User:050294|050294]] 10:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:::We generally prefer not to compare Pokémon's origins to other works of fiction. Venusaur's flower is likely to have been inspired by a Rafflesia. This Pokémon is highly unlikely to be inspired by My Little Pony. It is a musketeer and a unicorn. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Wait. "We generally prefer not to compare Pokémon's origins to other works of fiction." ...An extremely large amount of Pokemon were based on fiction. In fact, "The Three Musketeers", IS a work of fiction and even the Keldeo and the Unicorn are mythological, therefore fictional, beasts! This seems very hypocritical. :\ - [[User:050294|050294]] 10:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Fiction was probably the wrong word to use. The difference is The Three Musketeers is a famous story that has been told for ages in many different countries. My Little Pony is just an American novelty toy franchise whose popularity lasted less than a decade. And no, the recent toys aren't anywhere near as big as they were. Everyone knows The Three Musketeers. Not everyone knows My Little Pony. Please know the difference. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Perhaps "copyrighted work" would have been a better phrase to use. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, I'll admit that Keldeo DOES indeed look of that kind of style to be based on My Little Pony, but that similarity it has is just for the physical design of it (Such as the legs and the muzzle), since every other aspect is explained by the Three Musketeers. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:28, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:I would say that it is based more on the Kirin of Chinese and Japanese Mythology, if not it borrows a good amount of elements that would make it look like a Kirin. --[[User:IndigoDratini|IndigoDratini]] 02:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

=== A vote? ===
Should we maybe vote for this tidbit to be added back to the origins? - [[User:050294|050294]] 10:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:Well, the toy line was based on unicorn and we already listed unicorn as one of the possible inspiration, so I don't think we should list both in the origins, one is enough. -- [[User:Dion20|Dion20]] 10:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::A vote is a bit over-the-top. Just discuss. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Wkikpedia ==

I found this at Wikipedia: ''If you take it and the rest of the Musketeer trio to the forest that Keldeo used to live at, the first three members of the Musketeer trio will teach it the move "Sword of Mystery". It is only obtainable through a future event.'' Though I need confirmation.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 12:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's already on the page. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:: I mean the one about the Sword of Mystery. ''If you take it and the rest of the Musketeer trio to the forest that Keldeo used to live at, the first three members of the Musketeer trio will teach it the move "Sword of Mystery".''--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 12:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Again, the fact that it learns the move is already in the moveset, under tutored moves. I don't know how to integrate the specific circumstances in which Keldeo learns that move into the article; I can't find any precedence for this type of scenario anywhere else. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I think if someone is interested in that move, it'll click on the move's name and read its page, where's already written the move can only be learned by having the three musketeer along. Also, there's a '*' at the tutoring move entry where it reads "Fateful encounter only". If someone is interested in that move, it'll search Bulbapedia for 'Fateful encounter' and reach the events page (although there's no info about Gen V events, yet). But, for those who are too lazy to do that, maybe it'd be better to show that sentence explicitly in Keldeo's page, but I don't know where to put it... Maybe it should go below the tutoring table. --[[User:Blow|Blow]] '''([[User talk:Blow|話す]])''' 22:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==
Checked the JP TRADEMARK database this time. I'm thinking 'Keldeo' needs to be Keldio or Kerudio. ディ is normally "di", like ディスコ (Disco). [[User:Pokejungle|Pokejungle]] 06:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

: Type in http://keldeo.com/, it comes up with a placeholder and this text; ''This Internet address is being managed by Melbourne IT DBS for one of the world's top brands.'' Same if you use Victini, Kyurem, Meloetta or Genesect in its place. That seems to be strong evidence towards a intended romanization (''especially'' since "Kyurem" ''is'' in the JP TM database), seeing as how neither "Keldio" or "Kerudio" lead anywhere meaningful. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 23:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Possible origin ==
In greek mythology it says that horses were the desendents/creations of Posidon the god who ruled the sea. Does anyone else see a conection?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 18:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

That sounds sensible, but I think it is based on a Unicorn, personally. [[User:UnovaMusketeerTrio|UnovaMusketeerTrio]] 19:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion on the potential origin: The Qilin / Kirin traditionally walks on water and can cross blades of grass without crushing them, is also thought of as the Japanese or Chinese equivalent of the unicorn in Western culture. The Kelpie is a ghost horse, but Keldeo's type is water and fighting instead of ghost and fighting. It seems that since Keldeo is largely white (a trait of the kelpie) but also has qualities that do not line up with the kelpie, there may be a dual origin here? [[User:Dev chieftain|Dev chieftain]] 01:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== No Ice Beam ? ==

Keldeo is the only Water-typed Pokémon to not learn Ice Beam (beside Magikarp, obviously and the Seismitoad line for some reason. It's strange, especially for a legendary. It may be a good piece of trivia to add, when we'll be allowed to do it =P [[User:Xel|Xel]] 02:08, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
:Since you just pointed out four Pokémon that are exceptions, I don't think it's notable (you could probably ignore Magikarp, but the tadpoles mess it up). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:22, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

== Special or Physical? ==
Its Pokédex entry said that it excels using leg moves while battling, but its base Sp. Attack, which happens to be 129 is almost twice as high as its base Attack stat, which is 72. Maybe this could be added to the Trivia but I dunno. [[User:PKMNChamp|PKMNChamp]] 10:01, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
:No, we generally avoid trivia like that. Also, as you can see in the site header, we are not adding any trivia at the moment. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I think it's notable, there is Trivia exactly the same for Yanmega, where it's Pokedex entry would lead to believe it's physical attack is higher than it's Special, but it isn't... [[User:Buizel1991|Buizel1991]] 00:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== Art work ==

I was just wondering why there's only a sprite picture for Keldeo and not his artwork? Can somebody confirm if this is his official art work or no? http://solarblade.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/keldeo.png?w=246&h=300 --[[User:Spongeenthusiast|Spongeenthusiast]] 01:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Chances are we won't be seeing artwork until next year. Until then, all art is nothing but fan art. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
::[http://fav.me/d3438uy Here you go.] [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :) --[[User:Spongeenthusiast|Spongeenthusiast]] 01:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Current Events ==

I have made this page a current event based on the recent announcement. [[User:Mattrules161|Mattrules161]] 12:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:That template is designed to warn people that the page is going to be changing massively as we get more information about the subject. This page isn't going to, as we've already got the vast majority of the information from the code of the games when they were released in Japan over a year ago. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I was on the official site and apparently keldeo will be level 15 here's a link http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/keldeo/ {{unsigned|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP}}
:Hey that's the movie number! Trivia anyone? :P [[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 22:25, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::Added it. Also noted that the 15th was the day Keldeo was revealed. [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 00:39, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

== Pokédex Pro ==

I was looking at the japanese site for pokedex pro when at the bottom of the page it featured keldeo in its usual form, but what caught my eye was that surrounding keldeo's hooves was a cool water rippling design.So is it worth being in the trivia that it is the first pokémon revealed to feature this?
Sorry forgot to sign my comment[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] ([[User talk:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|talk]]) 15:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
:Pokédex 3D Pro isn't out yet, it could be an effect that's used for all water types. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== So there is basically no difference between Keldeo's forms? ==

I've been trying to find out, but without the game and Keldeo itself, I can't find out. It seems odd to me that Keldeo would get a form change if it knows Secret Sword - an attack available to it in BW, before the form existed - yet gets no new stats, ability, type, nothing --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

:Well, other than the fact that Keldeo's Resolute Forme looks different (and cooler), no. Same stats, same ability, same typing, same moveset. So basically it's just an aesthetic change from BW. --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 00:39, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

== English Forme Names ==

So, thanks to Pokedex 3D Pro having multilingual capabilities, we now know that Keldeo's formes are known as Ordinary Forme and Resolute Forme in English. This is all that is revealed via the multilingual feature. Thanks to Serebii for the information. --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 00:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
:Please read the green banner on the top of the page. "Use reliable sources and do not steal from other websites." [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 00:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

== Secret Sword ==

At {{m|Secret Sword}}'s page, it says that Keldeo is the only Pokemon to learn this move, and by event, but on this page, it says it can be learned by level-up, somewhere around level 45. I also read somewhere that it can be learned by all of the Musketeers. I'm confused~ [[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|q~Bisumito~p]] [[User talk:BisumitoIsSnazzy|Tell me something.]] [[Special:Contributions/BisumitoIsSnazzy|How have i helped BP?]] 18:48, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
:Uh, one: it doesn't say that. I think you might be reading '''Sacred Sword'''. Second: they can't learn it. Only Keldeo can. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 18:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

== Question regarding Secret Sword and Forme Change? ==

Okay, so when I got the Gamestop Keldeo in the US on my White version, I took it to the Moor of Icirrus and the other three Musketeers taught it Secret Sword. My question is: do I have to take it to the Move Deleter and delete the move before I transfer it over to my White 2 version, and then have it re-learn it at Pledge Grove with the Musketeers if I want it to change into Resolute Forme? Or will it change Forme automatically if I just trade it over? Just a question that I thought that more people than just me would be curious about, so I thought that I would ask before I tried, just in case. ----[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイナイト]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|ディーティーブイ]] 19:26, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
:Likely you will have to re-teach it, as the Resolute Forme is not included in original games. Also, you don't need muskeeters for [[Pledge Grove]]. I got Keldeo's Resolute Forme before Castelia. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 20:28, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
::I've tested it out myself. If your Keldeo from Black or White already knows Secret Sword, simply take it to Pledge Grove, and it will turn into its Resolute Form. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

== Revealed early ==

Read this:[[Talk:Meloetta_(Pokémon)#Revealed_early]][[User:TeamPlasmaN1212|TeamPlasmaN1212]] 21:25, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

== D'Artagnan's horse ==

Something I noticed when I first learned about Keldeo was that its Pokédex color was yellow and that it was much smaller than the other Swords of Justice. It just so happens that at the beginning of ''The Three Musketeers'', d'Artagnan is given a small, scraggly, and yellow horse by his father. Is this connection worth mentioning in either the trivia or the origin section? [[User:ScizorSteelix|ScizorSteelix]] ([[User talk:ScizorSteelix|talk]]) 05:39, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

== the ev yield ==

The ev yield part says that keldeo yields 3 sp atk ev,but the trivia section says something different.. Which one is correct? Or does the different form affect its ev yield?
[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 01:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Sand Force (Ability)

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Fiky f: /* the word usage */ new section

Does Sand Power only raise your own moves, or everyone on the field while your out? (Pialga92)

== In the manga? ==

I noticed that in the manga, this ability seems to have the effects of {{a|Sand Rush}} instead. I was wondering if this was an error we should mention. Or did it just get placed on the wrong page? I don't have the manga, so I can't check or anything. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 09:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:I noticed that, too. I'm going to move it over to Sand Rush, but if anyone that can look in the manga thinks it would be better here, they can put it back. [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 07:34, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

== the word usage ==

This page refers to the pokemon with this ability as "the user". I think it's more proper for moves,and other ability pages don't say it like that,I think.
[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 10:16, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Sylveon (Pokémon)

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Fiky f: /* umm.. is this trivia worthy? */ new section

==cross-generational evolution==
Should this be added to the [[List of Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 02:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Are there any reasonable explanations for the origin of its name? I've seen "Nymph" and "Ninja" floating around, but maybe someone who knows more about Japanese could take a closer look at its name (especially with the other Eeveelutions' names being very straightforward). --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 08:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:It's better to not add the name origin before we have more info, but I think "Nymph" is the most likely origin since it's very similar to its Japanese name: ニンフ and ニンフィア. If it came from "Ninja", they would make it more obvious.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 08:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

It's a bit weird that we have VaporEON, JoltEON, FlarEON,and so on, and now we have NinFIA. They'll probably change it to Ninfeon. Just my opinion. --[[User:VictiniLopunny7|VictiniLopunny7]] ([[User talk:VictiniLopunny7|talk]]) 13:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:Ninfia is the Japanese name, the English name has been released yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
::My guess is that its English is going to be something like "Nympheon". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Guessing is for the forum where this discussion belongs. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 13:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
::::But Ninfia could also be from Nimbus cloud, which in Japanese is ニンブース (Ninbuusu). So it really could be anything right now, so until it's type is revealed we can't say. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 16:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:::::Except it's not. In fact, [http://www.google.com/search?q=%E3%83%8B%E3%83%B3%E3%83%96%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&nfpr=1 the only result on google] for ニンブース (Ninbuusu) is a comment trying to resolve this Pokémon's name. The usual spelling of the English 'nimbus' in Japanese is ニンバス (Ninbasu). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 21:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

"Sylveon" is probably based on the air elemental "Sylph", so "Nymph" would make even more sense as the name origin of Ninfia. --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 13:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

:To also add to that, its French name is Nymphali, so I guess 'nymph' as the name origin for its Japanese name seems that more likely. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] ([[User talk:Rai Marshall|talk]]) 21:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::"Sylveon" could just as easily be a reference to Sylvan, which relates to the woods more than to air, also both "Sylph" and "Nymph" are female-only mythological spirits, which ties with the asthetic similar to the female-dominant fairy-group pokemon. [[User:OneInTwenty|OneInTwenty]] ([[User talk:OneInTwenty|talk]]) 22:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:::A Sylph is a mythical creature that is said to inhabit the air. A dictionary (and many RPGs) told me so. Nymph is only a generalized name for a sylph, salamander, gnome, or undine. --[[User:Kektklik|Kektklik]] ([[User talk:Kektklik|talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
::::The German name begins with "Fee", which is German for "fairy". [[User:Briguychau|Briguychau]] ([[User talk:Briguychau|talk]]) 05:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
The French name contains "nymph" and the English name contains "Syl". The "Syl" could be referring to the Greek mythological nymph "Syllis" who was a lover of the Greek mythological god "Apollo"-The Greek god of light or the sun. This may connect with the rumored new "light" type. It being the lightest eeveelution yet may also be a hint to that. "Syl" could also represent mythological Sylphs(sky fairies), which could be hinting towards Sylveon being flying(or at least part flying) type. Another indication of this is (according to the Wikipedia article on Sylphs)the article states that they ride the "wind", hence the ribbons appearing as being blown by wind. It also states that sylphs are said to be slender and graceful and having large glistening eyes. All of these examples are reflected in Ninfia/Sylveon's design. It also doesn't really follow the traditional design style of any current types. A bit off topic here but Xerneas is kind of the same in the sense of looking like the current types and the rainbow-esque style of it's "antlers". Rainbows strongly relate to light and it goes on... But getting into new types and Xerneas is pointless as this is the Sylveon discussion page. [[User:Vexino|Vexino]] ([[User talk:Vexino|talk]]) 03:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon must be a Flying-type. A sylph is a mythological creature in the Western tradition. The term was created by Paracelsus, who described sylphs as elementals of the air. Who knows, maybe it can fly with its ribbons. To add to my theory, Sylveon is also the lightest Eeveelution. -MasterZ 21:04, 21 February 2013 (EST)

The word Sylph is very specifically an air-elemental, flying spirit— coined by Paracelsus. Until the mid-1800's, the word in any English dictionary would include the phrase "light, airy movements;" at which point the definition of "slender, graceful girl" appeared, derived from those airy qualities. Etymology in most dictionaries only go as far back as its Modern Latin coinage; however, some suggest a possible (i.e. hypothetical) relation to an earlier Latin root meaning "of the woods." But! Firstly, We already have Leafeon; & Secondly, The hypothetical earlier Latin root "of the woods" does not, unlike its first recorded usage, specify anything elemental whatsoever. The creek is of the woods… So, unless there's to be a new Type introduced, it's safe to assume that Sylveon will be a Flying type Pokémon. [[User:Pic620|Pic620]] ([[User talk:Pic620|talk]]) 03:44, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== English name is Sylveon ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pse_I1klRhA

From the official Pokémon channel.--'''[[User:Radio Rebel|♪ Radio Rebel ♪]]''' - ''[[User talk:Radio Rebel|Reject the status quo!]]'' 13:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== German Name Origin ==

I’d say the German name is a mix of ‘Fee’ (fairy) and Felinae (felinae), ending in -ara just as Nachtara (Umbreon) and Flamara (Flareon). Any other ideas about that? Should we add the Fee/felinae part to the German name explanation? [[User:Peterpansexuell|Peterpansexuell]] ([[User talk:Peterpansexuell|talk]]) 14:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
:Please discuss this on the forums, as it would be best to speculate there. Its name could come from a lot of things, it is hard to say for sure until we know more information. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 14:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::By now it's pretty obvious that in every language its name is based on a feminine mythological creature: Nymph (Japanese and French), Sylph (English) and "Fee" (German for "fairy"). The "felinae" part is debatable, but the mythological pattern is there. --[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Sylveon Video Moves ==

I'm sure in the video featuring Sylveon, it uses moves similiar to both Swift and Trump Card, could this be added?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 17:35, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

:I think we should wait until all of the moves that Sylveon can learn are revealed. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 19:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
::We will not be adding any information into the articles unless it has been confirmed by an official source. Adding the moves because they look like "Swift" would be speculation. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Reddish fur? ==

Unless I am color blind, I think that "reddish fur" it has would more be a light/hot pink, ''not'' "reddish". —[[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 19:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
: Well, it was a guess as to the color of the fur from the image in the scan. I would agree to changing the color described. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:21, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

== Miscelaneous details ==

Tied with Vaporeon, Umbreon, and Leafeon for tallest eeveelution. [[User:OneInTwenty|OneInTwenty]] ([[User talk:OneInTwenty|talk]]) 22:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:The fact that it is joint first with three other Eeveelutions is unnotable. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 23:07, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon is the lightest Eeveelution, implying that it could be a Flying-type. -MasterZ 21:08, 21 February 2013 (EST)

== First Gen VI Pokémon to make an anime debut? ==

I think this might be too early to post, but since Sylveon is confirmed to appear in the upcoming [[Pikachu short]] ''[[PK25]]'', does that make Sylveon the first Generation VI Pokémon to debut in the anime? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 00:41, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
:PK25 doesn't air until July 13, and the anime still has a few months left. They could throw something in between now and then, so I say we wait. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

== Sylveon Evolutionbox ==

I'm pretty sure that Sylveon is an Eeveelution...
Anyways, why not add an Evolution portion? We know that Sylveon evolves from Eevee, so why not add that to the infobox?
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=133
|name1=Eevee
|type1-1=Normal
|evotype1=???
|evostone1=File:000MS.png
|sprite2=000
|name2=Sylveon
|type1-2=???}}
So it would look like that.
.[[User:Garyoak|Garyoak]] ([[User talk:Garyoak|talk]]) 12:18, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
:We should wait until we know HOW it evolves. The page already mentions that it evolves from Eevee, which is enough for now.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
::I don't think not knowing the method should matter. We also mention the Pokémon that any Pokémon evolves from on its page in the same way we do for Sylveon, but include an infobox as well. The template is capable of outputting "Unknown" as a method, so I don't see why not to use it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

== Nymphia ==

Does anyone know where source that the official romanization is "Nymphia" is? I've heard it is official but yet to see the source. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
:[http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7103221504/h0D4CC975/ These stickers].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 12:56, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
::Alright, thanks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:34, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Hehyeyeyey... It totally isn't Nymphia. When you try to find it, they would say it is Ninfia.
About the stickers, might be a typographical error. --[[User:Falcypon|Falcypon]] ([[User talk:Falcypon|talk]]) 08:37, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
:The official romanization is different to the Hepburn romanization. Ninfia is the Hepburn romanization, and while the official one can be the same sometimes, in most cases it is different. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:26, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
: What? [[User:Falcypon|Falcypon]] ([[User talk:Falcypon|talk]]) 13:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
::"Ninfia" is just how you pronounce "ニンフィア", but its Japanese name is "Nymphia". Just like how "Mewtwo" and "Lugia" are pronounced "Myūtsū" and "Rugia" in Japanese.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:46, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

== English Name Origin ==

Shouldn't it mention how the name 'Sylveon' ends with ''-eon'', just like all Eeveelutions, as it says this for the French Name Origin?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 15:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
:In fact, there is no English name origin section at all. Where the English name origin is on other pages, we instead have a duplicate of the Japanese name origin section. Hmm. - ''signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])'' ''18:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)''
I'm more concerned with the fact it most likely originates from "sylvan", which refers to woods and forests. (Which only adds to the mystery of why it's named such and yet can't be a Grass type....)[[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] ([[User talk:FerreTrip|talk]]) 21:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
:The word "sylvan" can also refer to a spirit or deity of the woods. It's very possible this was the derivative word rather than "sylph," or it could be both. [[User:Silmina|Silmina]] ([[User talk:Silmina|talk]]) 11:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon comes from "sylph" the definitions of which are... 1. A messenger from the air. 2. A slender woman or girl. It is pretty much another word for nymph, like in Ninfia. As a side note, most of it's names have origins that specify females. I think we have a genderlock! =) [[User:Team-Eevee|Team-Eevee]] ([[User talk:Team-Eevee|talk]]) 15:25, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't think having the word "sylph" in it's name instantly means it's a gender-locked evolution, especially since {{p|Eevee}} itself has a gender ratio of 1♀/7♂. Then again, {{p|Combee}} has the same ratio yet has a gender-locked evo. --[[User:Relicant|Relicant]] ([[User talk:Relicant|talk]]) 17:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

:Going by that logic, Slowking and Mr. Mime should be only male. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 18:16, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I took that into account, but there is more evidence supporting a genderlock than just names. Virgil's unevolved Eevee was unneccesarily revealed to be female though the anime almost never specifies genders. In Pikachu & Eevee Friends, it is stressed in the new trailer that Meowth has a huge crush on the Sylveon. So in addition to name and anime hints, we have seen pokemon like Vespiquen, Froslass, and Galade. A female exclusive Eeveelution would be tough to obtain, which GameFreak has been fond of lately. Besides, if it weren't genderlocked, why would nymph AND sylph have been used? If it were a dragon-type, why not Draceon, Scaleon, or Fangeon? If it were a flying-type, why not Windeon, Breezeon, or Cloudeon? If it were a normal-type, why not Eeveeon, Faireon, or Pixeon? Just something to think about. I hope I'm right, but if I'm wrong I'm wrong... as are a lot of gender confused Sylveon XD [[User:Team-Eevee|Team-Eevee]] ([[User talk:Team-Eevee|talk]]) 23:54, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
:Can we please stop speculating on talk pages. They are for the discussion of the article, not the topic of the article. Please take this discussion to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Could somebody add a section for the English Name Origin? I would but the page is locked. --[[User:Youngster2000|Youngster2000]] ([[User talk:Youngster2000|talk]]) 21:44, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

== What it looks like. ==

Most of Eevee's evolutions are foxes, except Espeon. This one looks like a deer with paws. {{unsigned|Likalaruku}}

Sylveon looks like it's made up of a lot of other Pokemon parts. It has Victini eyes, Miccino ears, Deerling tail, Milotic ribbons, Gothita bows, and Glaceon/Leafeon feet. [[User:Glitchynidoqueen|Glitchynidoqueen]] ([[User talk:Glitchynidoqueen|talk]]) 22:33, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== german name ==

|de=Feelinara|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Fee|fairy}}''. Ends with ''-a'' like every [[Eeveelution]] in German. --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 17:01, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

hello pls edit the german name --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''でんき'']] 05:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
* I think it might also refer to Sylveon's feelers. They are referred to as feelers in the press release. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Small problem ==

Just thought I'd mention this: it's said in the physiology section that "it's eye are blue with no visible sclera". That should be changed to "no visible iris"; the sclera is the blue bit [[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] ([[User talk:Green Zubat|talk]]) 21:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry, but there's now a small typo. Not sure if you want to fix it, by it says "... and no visible irides." If it would be possible to change it to irises, that'd probably help.{{unsigned|Sioli}}
:::Actually, "irides" is a plural form of iris, so it's just another way to say "irises". '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:54, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
::::I don't want to be rude but, the Iris is actually the colour bit in the eye while the sclera is the whit bit around it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_(anatomy)] [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 00:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Moves, perhaps? ==

Hey, just a quick question. Would it be a good idea to add the pre-evolution moves that it can learn, as we know all of those from Eevee, or would it be advised to wait until we know everything which it can learn? Just a tidbit curious, is all. [[User:Sioli|Sioli]] ([[User talk:Sioli|talk]]) 00:47, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Waiting would be best, I think, since we don't know what moves Eevee will or won't learn yet. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 01:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Typo ==

'Sylveon a combination of...' should be 'Sylveon '''is''' a combination of...'. - ''signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])'' ''18:06, 3 June 2013 (UTC)''

== Name Origin ==

Down in the name origin area, it is mentioned that Sylveon's name could come from "Sylph", but I think another name origin could be "sylvan", (meaning of the forest) which seems to match Sylveon's name a bit better.
'''I also think the whole thing about the 'Eon' suffix having to do with how long evolution takes needs to be removed.''' As far as we know, the 'Eon' suffix is only there because of it being an Eeveelution. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 17:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:That is the explanation for why all the Eeveelutions have the "eon" suffix. There is a reason thaat the Eeveelutions have that specific suffix, and that's the only explanation we have. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
It's more likely that Sylveon's name comes from sylvan than sylph. [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 16:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
:How so? Sylph is a fairy. Sylveon is a Fairy-type Pokémon.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:16, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Sylvans are also fairies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvan Sylvan or Silvan refers to an association with the woods. Specifically, that which inhabits the wood, is made of tree materials, or comprises the forest itself. The term can also refer to a person who resides in the woods or a spirit of the wood. '''In mythology, the term also refers to deities or spirits of the woods'''.]) and its name is Sylveon and not Sylpheon [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 05:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

== Type ==
Sylveon was confirmed to be Fairy-type! - [[User:Ishlishl]]
:The staff is aware and we're currently working to update all pages accordingly. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 14:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Species ==

According to the {{n|E3 Nintendo Direct reveals masses of information#Press release|press release}}, Sylveon is the Interwining Pokémon.--[[User:Lemonade Mouth|Lemonade Mouth]] ([[User talk:Lemonade Mouth|talk]]) 18:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Origin ==

We could put the basic mammal stuff it shares with all eeveelutions (looks like a cat, dog, fox mix), and now that we have fairy type confirmed we can say the bows resemble fairy wings.
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 19:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Sylveon ==

Just FYI, 님피아 would be rendered as ''Nimpia'', not ''Nymphia'', using RR. Pokemon of Korea doesn't maintain separate Romanized named for Pokemon like Japan does. Also, as such, its Korean name is simply a transliteration of its Japanese name. I'd change it myself if I could... -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 03:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:Also just FYI. In Cantonese, all Eeveelution will have the name "依貝" instead of "精靈". In Generation IV, only {{p|Leafeon}} and {{p|Glaceon}} have a Cantonese name while the other Generation IV Pokémon did not have any names there. So the Cantonese name of Sylveon should be 仙子依貝 Sīnzìyībui. I'd change it myself if I could too. KyleRGiggs 00:19, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

== Learnset ==

It should be said on the page under "Game Data" under "Learnset" that Sylveon has been shown to know how to use Moonblast through an unknown method. [[User:CrazyMagmar|CrazyMagmar]] ([[User talk:CrazyMagmar|talk]]) 21:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know the full moveset yet, so what's the point? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 21:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

== anime debut ==

the short already aired sylveon is no longer "set to appear in the Pikachu short PK25." {{unsigned|0danmaster0}}

== Shiny ==

Should we add its shiny image to the page to showcase its alternate look. My thinking behind this is that we have shown screenshots of an unsheathed [[Honedge]], and a [[Swirlix]] with both its "feet" visible to showcase alternate appearances for them, and since shiny form(e)s are, themselves, alternate appearances of Pokémon, it only makes sense to me to add a shiny image.[[File:Shiny_Sylveon_Cropped.png]]--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 12:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

== Spirte ==

I have a frontsprite of a Sylveon , that I can actually use there , how do i create the Spritebox ? {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}
:Well, first it will need to be uploaded to the Archives, but those are, I believe, not available for upload. So I suppose send it to a member of staff to upload it for you. Then rest can be figured out. Although...X and Y don't use sprites, so... --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 01:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
This is the Spirte : http://i.imgur.com/WQ3E30F.gif
I Also have the Honedge evolutionary family. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}

Okay, let's upload those Kalos sprites. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 16:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:Hey hey hey. Wait a second. Don't just go and make these important decisions first. Not that you could even do anything since the Archives are locked. First of all, is that all you have? Just Sylveon and the Honedge line? What about the other Gen VI Pokemon? And the ones from Gen I to V? Did you make those images yourself or did you get them from somewhere? Those also need to be squared. Talk it up with an administrator first, please. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
I now have the Sligoo Evolutionary Family , Fletchling , and Fennekin. I found them all on a Tumblr , I asked the tumblr owner if they could be used here , I'm awaiting his/hers answer. {{unsigned|PoisonPlush}}
Oh , I've got the answer , and he/she said that he/she taked them from this site : http://www.pkparaiso.com/xy/sprites_pokemon.php
And the site says that if the sprites are going to be used , they need to be credited...

== Trivia ==

As we have done it earlier with Magneton and Magnezone;
Eevee and Sylveon are in a evolution family which differs the great difference in NATdex ,being 567. [[User:Rajjoaby|Rajjoaby]] ([[User talk:Rajjoaby|talk]]) 22:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

:Nah, I don't think that's notable. I read Magnezone's page and couldn't find the note. If it was removed, probably not notable enough. Although the removal of that note could have been because of Sylveon. Actually no it wasn't because I just checked the last revision before Sylveon's introduction and that note wasn't there. And besides, all cross-gen evolutionary relatives have a great difference in National Dex numbers. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Biology section edit summary ==

Sorry about the unfinished edit summary; I accidentally hit Enter in the middle of it, so I'll put this here instead. I was going to say, "'Dainty' is opinionated language, and per Crystal Talian's edits to other Eeveelutions including Espeon, try to avoid naming them as specifically feline." Sorry! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

== Sylveon is feline, not canine. ==

Okay, Crystal Talian – here is my thesis about why [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]] as well) should be described as ''feline'' in this Wiki . . .

It is quite obvious to me that [[Sylveon]], [[Espeon]], (and ''all'' of the [[Eeveelutions]], as a matter of fact) are feline. They do possess long ears, but that alone does not prove that Sylveon are canids. Their slender, delicate body structures, blunt, dainty, muzzles and faces, and small triangular noses clearly resemble traits of felines. Canids, on the other hand, typically have long, distinctly pointed snouts and larger, bulkier body structures.

Let me compare true canine and vulpine Pokémon to the distinctly catlike [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]]).

First, we have [[Houndoom]]: it clearly resembles a canine, specifically a domestic dog. It has a bulky, muscular body structure and a long, bulky pointed muzzle with a large nose. Also, its blunt claws, visible on its large, bulky feet, cannot be retracted. Note that canids’ claws are always visible because they cannot retract them, whereas felines’ claws are retracted in their natural, calm state.

Next, another dog Pokémon is [[Arcanine]]: like [[Houndoom]], it is very bulky and muscular in body structure, with a long, distinctly dog-like muzzle.

Now, foxes, which are canids (specifically vulpine), although comparable to Sylveon according to some of you (based on the ears???), are also very different. I don’t believe you can use the ears in any Pokémon to identify its species, because with most Pokémon, the ears seem to be extraordinarily designed, and in some cases have no connection to the rest of the body structure (note Houndoom’s horns.)
Another point about the extraordinarily long ears of the [[Eeveelutions]] to consider is this: they may not be explicitly cat-like, but they are not really fox-like, and especially not dog-like, either. As a matter of fact, the extraordinarily long ears of [[Eevee]] and its evolutions are more rabbit-like than anything (but no one even considers this obvious feature).

Let’s compare Sylveon to real, confirmed fox Pokémon (vulpines), such as [[Fennekin]], [[Braixen]], and [[Delphox]]. [[Fennekin]] and its evolutions have very distinct, long pointy muzzles. Sylveon clearly lacks such a long fox-like muzzle. Sylveon’s muzzle, as I have pointed out, is very blunt and catlike – not at all bulky, long, or even remotely canid in appearance. The ''[[Fennekin]]'' family is based on Fennec foxes, but [[Sylveon]] and [[Espeon]] are clearly not, based on their feline body and facial structures as opposed to the canine/vulpine body and facial structures of the [[Fennekin]] line.

And a little side note: interestingly, in the Pikachu short-film that features Sylveon, Meowth is shown to be madly in love with Sylveon. I highly doubt Meowth, a cat Pokémon, would be attracted to a dog Pokémon. . .

I urge you to thoroughly check the pictures of the Pokémon I’ve compared, make comparisons to [[Sylveon]] (and [[Espeon]]) versus the real, confirmed dog and fox (canid/vulpine) Pokémon, and note and consider the distinctions I am making.

I think that it is far too general to state that Sylveon and Espeon are merely “mammalian”. It is also inaccurate to place “foxes and dogs” before “cats” in Sylveon's origin section, as if this Pokémon resembles a canid ''more'' than it resembles a feline. That is incorrect if it is indeed a ''combination'' of the felid-canid species. In that case, since it is more ''feline'' in overall appearance, feline should come first. Who’s being biased here?

I am only trying to post accurate information based on the obvious physiological traits of the [[Eeveelutions]]. You do want this Wiki to contain accurate information, don’t you? Let’s keep our emotions out of this. It’s not about favoritism at all. It’s about accuracy.

P.S. Just to let you know, I am well aware that I have just as much right to edit this page as you do. But I am going to be courteous and await your response to your suggestion of discussing it on the talk page. If I don't get a courteous response back from you in 24 hours, then I will exercise my right to edit the Wiki page as I see fit, based on my thorough analysis of this Pokémon’s physiological traits. --[[User:Fireball the Victini|Fireball the Victini]] ([[User talk:Fireball the Victini|talk]]) 00:42, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:The first thing I want to address here is your attitude toward the end of your statement. Yes, you have every right to edit this Wiki. However, you are expected to respect decisions made by staff of this Wiki -- of which I am a member. So when you are asked nicely to not to do something by staff, you should not do it until a decision has been made and the okay is given, regardless of how long it takes.

:That said, I can address the physiological traits of Eevee and its evolutions. While I go through, I am actually going to encourage you to be unbiased and realize that there is more than one way to look at things and that many, many Pokémon have their basis in a collection of animals, not just one kind.

:The short, blunt muzzles of the Eeveelutions are indeed feline, as you pointed out. However, small paws are not necessarily feline, nor is a slim body structure. Foxes have small paws and slim legs, and the {{wp|Maned Wolf}} has a very slim structure overall. Furthermore, many larger felids, such as lions, have truly massive paws that are not in the least tiny. As for their claws, most of the Eeveelutions do not appear to have claws one way or the other, so an argument about retractable claws really is not valid. In addition, some felids, such as the cheetah, have only semi-retractable claws.

:Now let us address some other common Eeveelution traits. For example, a brushy tail, this is possessed by Eevee itself, Flareon, Umbreon, and even Sylveon to an extent. This trait is distinctly and almost famously vulpine. The ears of most Eeveelutions, as you pointed out, are more rabbit-like than anything else. This trait is neither feline nor canine, but it is still mammalian. Additionally, Eeveelutions lack the slit pupils common in most small cats. Instead, they have round pupils, common to not large felids, but also canids and many other mammals. Even the vocalizations of these Pokémon in anime range from sounding like barks (as in Jolteon) to a more mewing quality (as in Espeon).

:The point about a cat Pokémon being attracted to a dog Pokémon is, to be honest, a little silly. They are still in the same Egg group, and animals of origin do not necessarily have anything to do attraction.

:I honestly think that Sylveon, Eevee and all the Eeveelutions are a collection of traits from cats, dogs (including foxes), rabbits, and other animals. I feel that it is most fair to address them as simply "mammalian" rather than distinctly feline, canine, vulpine, rabbit-like or any other specific animal. You are welcome to add more to the discussion, of course, and I will mention this to other members of staff. However, I do ask that you not make any changes until you are given the okay on it. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 01:51, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I disagree wholeheartedly (the [[Eeveelutions]] look nothing like maned wolves), and I honestly think that you are being biased against the cat family. It is as if you are in denial and will not even consider making the articles more accurate, even though it is strikingly obvious that Sylveon, Espeon, and many of the Eeveelutions are indeed more feline than anything else.

(By the way, in one series of the Pokemon manga, Jolteon is shown to be extending its claws, like a cat, while preparing for battle.)

But since ''you'' have higher privileges on Bulbapedia, I suppose there is nothing I can do to provide more accurate information without you nitpicking and reverting all of my edits constantly as if I am vandalizing the page . . .

I believe that it is appropriate to remove "dogs" from Sylveon's Origin section (because it looks ''nothing'' like a domestic dog), and move "cats" before "foxes", and remove that it is "most likely based on a fennec fox", as ''we already know that the [[Fennekin]] family is based on fennec foxes'' and Sylveon does not resemble the Fennekin family in any way.

I mean, you can tell by this image of Sylveon (from a different angle), that its dainty sitting position is reminiscent of a domestic cat:
[[File:700Sylveon Dream 2.png]]

I also believe it is appropriate to remove "Fennec fox" from Espeon's Origin, as it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that Espeon might be based on a fennec fox, considering there is already pretty solid evidence that it is indeed based on the mystical two-tailed nekomata cat from Japanese folklore.

I will indeed make these minor, harmless edits to the origin sections of those pages. Sorry if it bothers you so much. . .

I just tried to help make the Wiki more accurate. I ''know'' that the [[Eeveelutions]] are based on felines (with extraordinary chimerical features), but it seems that no one wants to admit this fact.
---[[User:Fireball the Victini|Fireball the Victini]] ([[User talk:Fireball the Victini|talk]]) 19:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:You say Sylveon is "obviously" feline? I couldn't honestly call it anything but "feminine" and I guess "mammalian". The Eeveelutions are all over the place. Your "knowledge" is not absolute, just another fan's opinion and not necessarily more accurate than anyone else's. The only hard "facts" are what the developers want to divulge. Short of that, you have to hope for consensus. (And here, for now, you do not have it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
::As you can see above, many people see the Eeveelutions as nothing more than furry animals. I've heard it from others that, for them, they don't look like either dogs or cats. The fact that dogs are listed before cats has nothing to do with one being more influential than the other, and origins are almost never absolute or just one thing. I told you to wait until you were given the okay, and you didn't. The origins are fine the way they are for now, pending change on input from other using and staff. I'm not nitpicking, I'm also doing my best to ensure accuracy. Try to be a little more open-minded about the origins here. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

== Max Exp ==

The Max Exp That Sylveon can have is 1M (1,000,000) [[User:Igor The Mii|Igor The Mii]] ([[User talk:Igor The Mii|talk]]) 20:43, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

== umm.. is this trivia worthy? ==

Sorry I'm new here,but I noticed that sylveon is the only eeveelution that does not have a resistance to its own. Am I incorrect,or has this been mentioned before?
[[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 09:36, 4 May 2014 (UTC)