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Mirage Island (Generation III)

2019-06-16T06:31:41Z

EternalDragonX: /* Technical details */

{{Infobox location
|image=Mirage Island RSE.png
|image_size=290
|type=land
|location_name=Mirage Island
|japanese_name=まぼろしじま
|translated_name=Phantom Island
|location={{rt|130|Hoenn}}
|region=Hoenn
|generation={{Gen|III}}
}}
'''Mirage Island''' (Japanese: '''まぼろしじま''' ''Phantom Island'') is a hard-to-reach location in [[Hoenn]].

==In the games==
Mirage Island is found on {{rt|130|Hoenn}} in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}. However, it can only be visited under highly rare circumstances. The island is inhabited by wild {{p|Wynaut}} which range from [[level]] 5 to level 50. Most notably, the island also bears a tree where the one and only [[Liechi Berry]] in the game can be picked. This is the best Berry for [[Pokéblock]]s, and will produce Gold Pokéblocks.

Every day, a random number between 0 and 65535 is generated by the game. If this number matches the last two bytes of the [[personality value]] of any {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the player's party, then Mirage Island will appear. (Consequently, Mirage Island can be made to disappear and reappear for that day by removing and putting back the matching Pokémon in the party, and Mirage Island will disappear at the end of the day barring the unlikely outcome of two matching numbers being generated in a row.) This makes Mirage Island's appearance even rarer than encountering a [[Shiny Pokémon]], although the probability increases with the number of Pokémon the player has. The odds of a single Pokémon activating Mirage Island is 1/65536; this chance is increased to approximately 1/10923 if the player has a full party.

A man in the northeastern hut in [[Pacifidlog Town]] will tell the player whether or not he can see Mirage Island, allowing the player to check if they have a matching Pokémon without having to leave the town. Since Mirage Island's number does not change throughout a given day, it is possible for the {{player}} to freely move Pokémon between the [[Pokémon Storage System|boxes]] and the [[party]] while attempting to check if any Pokémon in the party matches the Mirage Island number.

===Technical details===
[[Save data structure in Generation III#Section 2 - Environment variables|Two random bytes]] ("Mirage Island bytes") are generated for the day once any button is pressed on the start menu, and will last until the start menu is accessed again past 00:00 (midnight) of the next day. Even though play time has nothing to do with [[time|the real-time clock]], a game that has reached the maximum time of play (999 hours and 59 minutes) will always generate Mirage Island bytes of 0. Additionally, if a game's internal battery is dead (causing the real-time clock to stop functioning), then new Mirage Island bytes will never be generated, causing the Mirage Island number to permanently stay at whatever value it was before.<ref>http://hfc2x.tumblr.com/post/52327921622/some-explanation-on-mirage-island-pok%C3%A9mon</ref> Currently, it has not been precisely documented what happens to a game which has both a dead internal battery and a maximized play time.

===Gallery===
<gallery>
Hoenn Route 130 Mirage Island RSE.png|Route 130 with Mirage Island
Hoenn Route 130 RSE.png|Route 130 without Mirage Island
</gallery>

==Items==

{{Itlisth}}
{{Itemlist|Liechi Berry|Eastern end of Mirage Island|Ru=yes|Sa=yes|E=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

==Pokémon==

{{catch/header|land|no}}
{{Catch/entry3|360|Wynaut|yes|yes|yes|Grass|5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50|100%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|land}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Mirage Island anime.png|thumb|250px|Mirage Island in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
In ''[[AG113|Who, What, When, Where, Wynaut?]]'', {{Ash}}, {{ashfr}}, and {{TRT}} landed on Mirage Island after Team Rocket's [[Team Rocket's mechas|submarine]] exploded. {{an|May}} and [[Drew]] were stuck together and both ended up nearly drowning when Drew passed out, before being saved by the resident Wynaut population.

While the island does appear on maps, the whirlpools around it make it almost impossible to get to or from the island.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{adv|Wally}} rescues the man searching for Mirage Island on Pacifidlog Island from being washed away from {{p|Kyogre}}'s storm.

{{adv|Ruby}} and {{adv|Sapphire}} were washed up on Mirage Island, after meeting up with [[Juan]], [[Tate and Liza]], Juan explains that the time in the island is different from the external world and they were unconscious in the island for twenty-one days. The time on the island does not always travel at a constant speed and when the time on the island goes normal, one can get on or off the island, so Juan carries a {{p|Sandshrew}}-shaped hourglass for this reason. Ruby and Sapphire meet up with {{p|Plusle}} and {{p|Minun}} for the second time and use them to practice Double Battles with Tate and Liza, preparing for the final battle against Kyogre and Groudon.

According to Juan, Mirage Island is not the actual name of the island; rather, this is what people call the island.

==Trivia==
* Although {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} include a [[List of locations by index number (Generation III)|location pointer for "Mirage Island"]], any {{p|Wynaut}} caught here will simply display "Met on {{rt|130|Hoenn}}" in their [[summary]]. This is because the player is technically still on Route 130's map.
* Although Mirage Island does not appear in {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}, the route description of Route 130 on the [[PokéNav Plus]] alludes to it; "This route was once a big topic of conversation due to a strange island that seemed to appear and then disappear."
* If a [[roaming Pokémon]] goes onto Route 130 while the Mirage Island is present, it can also be found in the tall grass.

==References==
<references />

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|land}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|land}}
|zh_yue=幻之島 ''{{tt|Waahn-jī Dóu|Phantom Island}}'' {{tt|*|Games}} 夢幻島 ''{{tt|Muhngwaahn Dóu|Phantom Island}}'' {{tt|*|Anime and Manga}}
|zh_cmn=幻之島 / 幻之岛 ''{{tt|Huàn-zhī Dǎo|Phantom Island}}'' {{tt|*|Games}} 夢幻島 / 梦幻岛 ''{{tt|Mènghuàn Dǎo|Phantom Island}}'' {{tt|*|Anime and Manga}}
|fr_eu=Ile Mirage
|de=Wundereiland
|it=Isola Miraggio
|ko=환상섬 ''Hwansang Seom''
|es_eu=Isla Espejismo
|vi=Đảo Ảo Ảnh
}}
{{-}}
{{Hoenn}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Hoenn locations]]
[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire locations]]
[[Category:Emerald locations]]
[[Category:Islands]]

[[de:Wundereiland (Route 130)]]
[[es:Isla Espejismo]]
[[fr:Île Mirage]]
[[it:Isola Miraggio]]
[[ja:マボロシじま]]
[[zh:幻之岛]]

Mirage Island (Generation III)

2019-06-16T06:31:21Z

EternalDragonX: /* In the games */

{{Infobox location
|image=Mirage Island RSE.png
|image_size=290
|type=land
|location_name=Mirage Island
|japanese_name=まぼろしじま
|translated_name=Phantom Island
|location={{rt|130|Hoenn}}
|region=Hoenn
|generation={{Gen|III}}
}}
'''Mirage Island''' (Japanese: '''まぼろしじま''' ''Phantom Island'') is a hard-to-reach location in [[Hoenn]].

==In the games==
Mirage Island is found on {{rt|130|Hoenn}} in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}. However, it can only be visited under highly rare circumstances. The island is inhabited by wild {{p|Wynaut}} which range from [[level]] 5 to level 50. Most notably, the island also bears a tree where the one and only [[Liechi Berry]] in the game can be picked. This is the best Berry for [[Pokéblock]]s, and will produce Gold Pokéblocks.

Every day, a random number between 0 and 65535 is generated by the game. If this number matches the last two bytes of the [[personality value]] of any {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the player's party, then Mirage Island will appear. (Consequently, Mirage Island can be made to disappear and reappear for that day by removing and putting back the matching Pokémon in the party, and Mirage Island will disappear at the end of the day barring the unlikely outcome of two matching numbers being generated in a row.) This makes Mirage Island's appearance even rarer than encountering a [[Shiny Pokémon]], although the probability increases with the number of Pokémon the player has. The odds of a single Pokémon activating Mirage Island is 1/65536; this chance is increased to approximately 1/10923 if the player has a full party.

A man in the northeastern hut in [[Pacifidlog Town]] will tell the player whether or not he can see Mirage Island, allowing the player to check if they have a matching Pokémon without having to leave the town. Since Mirage Island's number does not change throughout a given day, it is possible for the {{player}} to freely move Pokémon between the [[Pokémon Storage System|boxes]] and the [[party]] while attempting to check if any Pokémon in the party matches the Mirage Island number.

===Technical details===
[[Save data structure in Generation III#Section 2 - Environment variables|Two random bytes]] ("Mirage Island bytes") are generated for the day once any button is pressed on the start menu, and will last until the start menu is accessed again past 00:00 (midnight) of the next day. Even though play time has nothing to do with [[time|the real-time clock]], a game that has reached the maximum time of play (999 hours and 59 minutes) will always generate Mirage Island bytes of 0. Additionally, if a game's internal battery is dead (causing the real-time clock to stop functioning), then new Mirage Island bytes will never be generated, causing the Mirage Island number to permanently stay at whatever value it was before.<ref>http://hfc2x.tumblr.com/post/52327921622/some-explanation-on-mirage-island-pok%C3%A9mon</ref> Currently it has not been precisely documented what happens to a game which has both a dead internal battery and a maximized play time.

===Gallery===
<gallery>
Hoenn Route 130 Mirage Island RSE.png|Route 130 with Mirage Island
Hoenn Route 130 RSE.png|Route 130 without Mirage Island
</gallery>

==Items==

{{Itlisth}}
{{Itemlist|Liechi Berry|Eastern end of Mirage Island|Ru=yes|Sa=yes|E=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

==Pokémon==

{{catch/header|land|no}}
{{Catch/entry3|360|Wynaut|yes|yes|yes|Grass|5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50|100%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|land}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Mirage Island anime.png|thumb|250px|Mirage Island in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
In ''[[AG113|Who, What, When, Where, Wynaut?]]'', {{Ash}}, {{ashfr}}, and {{TRT}} landed on Mirage Island after Team Rocket's [[Team Rocket's mechas|submarine]] exploded. {{an|May}} and [[Drew]] were stuck together and both ended up nearly drowning when Drew passed out, before being saved by the resident Wynaut population.

While the island does appear on maps, the whirlpools around it make it almost impossible to get to or from the island.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{adv|Wally}} rescues the man searching for Mirage Island on Pacifidlog Island from being washed away from {{p|Kyogre}}'s storm.

{{adv|Ruby}} and {{adv|Sapphire}} were washed up on Mirage Island, after meeting up with [[Juan]], [[Tate and Liza]], Juan explains that the time in the island is different from the external world and they were unconscious in the island for twenty-one days. The time on the island does not always travel at a constant speed and when the time on the island goes normal, one can get on or off the island, so Juan carries a {{p|Sandshrew}}-shaped hourglass for this reason. Ruby and Sapphire meet up with {{p|Plusle}} and {{p|Minun}} for the second time and use them to practice Double Battles with Tate and Liza, preparing for the final battle against Kyogre and Groudon.

According to Juan, Mirage Island is not the actual name of the island; rather, this is what people call the island.

==Trivia==
* Although {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} include a [[List of locations by index number (Generation III)|location pointer for "Mirage Island"]], any {{p|Wynaut}} caught here will simply display "Met on {{rt|130|Hoenn}}" in their [[summary]]. This is because the player is technically still on Route 130's map.
* Although Mirage Island does not appear in {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}, the route description of Route 130 on the [[PokéNav Plus]] alludes to it; "This route was once a big topic of conversation due to a strange island that seemed to appear and then disappear."
* If a [[roaming Pokémon]] goes onto Route 130 while the Mirage Island is present, it can also be found in the tall grass.

==References==
<references />

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|land}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|land}}
|zh_yue=幻之島 ''{{tt|Waahn-jī Dóu|Phantom Island}}'' {{tt|*|Games}} 夢幻島 ''{{tt|Muhngwaahn Dóu|Phantom Island}}'' {{tt|*|Anime and Manga}}
|zh_cmn=幻之島 / 幻之岛 ''{{tt|Huàn-zhī Dǎo|Phantom Island}}'' {{tt|*|Games}} 夢幻島 / 梦幻岛 ''{{tt|Mènghuàn Dǎo|Phantom Island}}'' {{tt|*|Anime and Manga}}
|fr_eu=Ile Mirage
|de=Wundereiland
|it=Isola Miraggio
|ko=환상섬 ''Hwansang Seom''
|es_eu=Isla Espejismo
|vi=Đảo Ảo Ảnh
}}
{{-}}
{{Hoenn}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Hoenn locations]]
[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire locations]]
[[Category:Emerald locations]]
[[Category:Islands]]

[[de:Wundereiland (Route 130)]]
[[es:Isla Espejismo]]
[[fr:Île Mirage]]
[[it:Isola Miraggio]]
[[ja:マボロシじま]]
[[zh:幻之岛]]

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 10

2019-04-21T08:07:06Z

EternalDragonX: /* links */ new section

{{User:Force Fire/Archive}}

== Master Trainers ==

In light of the edit warring, seeking an opinion before adding it to the page -- the Rhyhorn and Rhydon master trainers, Farkas and Eugene, seem to be a reference to Bulk and Skull from Power Rangers. For what it has to do with the characters, the Dinosaur-like design of Rhydon, or the tough guy demeanor of the two, could be points of note. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:58, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:I can see that, both points are valid enough connections.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
::Cool, thanks. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 06:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:::What about the ones that were removed? In my eyes, they're perfectly valid references and thus worthy of being there. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::::If you'd notice, Drake Clawfang provided two other points other than their names. That's why I accepted that one, and not the ones I removed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

== Spammer ==

Hey, heads up. {{user|Mckenzie6361}} has quite the talk page. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

== Special spawns ==

How should these so called "special spawns" be added to the Let's Go encounter lists? Without them, the lists remain incomplete. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:It's one of the things the other staff members have been discussing.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::How's it going? Earlier today, [[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92#Chansey encountered in Mt Moon (Pokémon Let's Go)|a user came to me asking about it as well]]. What's keeping them from being added? Haven't you yet reached an agreement on how to display them or something? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:54, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::The way Chosen implemented them was the main suggestion, which I'm not against.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

== Articles for the mainspace ==

I've got several character and location pages completed, I was hoping you could have a look over them and hopefully move them to the mainspace if deemed notable and complete enough. The Marina Group page is needing only images, but I'll wait to see if you think it is notable or not. Also, all of the articles previously marked as not notable can now been deleted, as all the information on those pages has been placed into the [[Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime]]. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 03:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
:I'll look at all your suggested userpages at some point.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
::Articles that are fine for mainspacing:
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Bewear's Den]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Pokémon hunters (M21)]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Pokémon poacher (M04)]]
::Articles I'm a little unsure of (they're notability), get second opinions:
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Luka's great-grandfather]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/News Crew (M03)]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Misty Village]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Mountain Lighthouse]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Unnamed Island (EP060)]]
::Notable, but needs much more work
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Coumarine City Festival]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/The Marina Group]]
::For [[User:PardescanSlowbro/Pershie]], it's not notable as of right now. Just wait and see if it does anything major in future episodes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
:::What about all the mainspace candidates I suggested earlier last year? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:56, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
::::Tide Song Hotel and Kantonian Gym? Never got a definite answer on whether those are needed or not, at the time I asked. Haven't really asked again since other things took priority. Looker events can be made.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::Thanks Force Fire, feel free to move the ready articles onto the mainspace and I'll continue to work on the others. Thanks again. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:48, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::I've actually already moved the ones that were approved--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks BigDocFan. I hadn't noticed because the links on my userpage are still connected to the articles, I'm not sure how the redirects are deleted though, but in the past I've seen admins move pages without leaving a redirect. Thanks. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 09:28, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::::I've deleted the redirects. Admins have the ability to move pages without leaving a redirect behind.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 09:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
How are '''my''' mainspace candidates coming along? It's been half a year since I brought them up. Can they be mainspaced soon?
* [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Kantonian Gym]]
* [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Tide Song Hotel]]
Yeah, I've forgotten to remove the "under construction" part, but still, I feel like it's high time that these pages got mainspaced. What do you think? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
:I think you're better off asking other admins if those pages are notable. All I can do is re-iterate that the discussion among the staff regarding those articles just never took off, and with me not having any strong opinions whether they should be mainspaced, haven't really bothered asking again.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
::Okay. I'll give it a try at some point. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:35, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
:::Hi ForceFire, I've since consulted Abcboy regarded several of my articles, according to him the following pages are notable and can be mainspaced:
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Luka's great-grandfather]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Misty Village]]
:::Also these pages which were said to be okay to be mainspaced are now ready:
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Lugia (anime)]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Malamar (anime)]]
:::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Deoxys (anime)]]
:::The Mountain Lighthouse page can now be deleted as it has been merged with the Misty Village page. Thanks in advance, [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:57, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
::::Deoxys (anime), per [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Notability requirements|notability requirements]] isn't notable, now that I think about it. I've moved everything else and deleted the lighthouse page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::Thank you for doing that. The Deoxys {anime} page can now be deleted as well, as I've since added the information to the recurring Pokémon in the anime page. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:39, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
::::::Would it be worth creating a recurring anime character page or category to make it easier to search up human characters that have appeared in more than one episode? We have one for recurring Pokémon characters, and the characters of the day have their own page.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 08:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::::No. There's way too many of them. And if the recurring Pokémon page is being called to spit, then a recurring human characters page isn't going to work either.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
It seems the Kantonian Gym is due to appear in the anime within a few weeks. Who could I contact to get my articles mainspaced or a permission to do it myself? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
:You already contacted abcboy (I think), best to wait a response or alert him again. I know it's been months since you asked, but that should tell you that it's not of a high priority. Worst case, it'll get mentioned that it appeared in the anime on the page it (Kantonian Gym) is already on.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:16, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
::Forgive me. It's been so long I had forgotten all about it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:41, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

== Do you know of any Bulbapedian(s) who know proper Korean & Chinese romanizations? ==

I just finished editing and formatting my [[User:SilSinn9801/List of common phrases from fortune-teller tents (Festival Plaza) in other languages|List of common phrases from fortune-teller tents (Festival Plaza) in other languages]]. However, I am not yet asking you to check if it is worthy of mainspacing, but rather ask you a side question: Do you know of any Bulbapedia contributor(s) fluent in Korean who can review the Korean romanizations in my page above and make any corrections there? And/or any Chinese-fluent Bulbapedian(s) who can do the same thing for the pinyin in the same page? Thankee! --[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 09:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
:Check the {{bp|Staff}} page to see who's fluent in what (although it doesn't say who's fluent in Korean). I don't know of any normal user that can speak and knows either language.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:38, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
::The only reason Korean isn’t mentioned there is because there is no Korean wiki in [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]]. The Staff page mentions two admins with knowledge of Chinese, [[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 and [[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'', so I just asked them for reviewing at least the Chinese pinyin in my page. Carmen’s userpage says she knows some Korean, so I also asked her about the romaja in my draft article. Thankee! --[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 10:25, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

== Template: Item for LGPE ==

Thanks for updating the [[Template: Item]]. I already updated the [[Candy]] page for the update. It appears that the '''PE''' doesn't show up properly, however.

Just one other request: do you think you can change all the "lgpe" to just "pe" for the sake of consistent conventions? Thanks. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 17:49, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
:Fixed the issue with the game abbreviation. Also changed every instance of lgpe to pe.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:53, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
::The template works now (eg in [[Candy]] and [[Berry]]). While we're on the issue of updating templates, can you take a quick look at [[Template:Stats]] and [[Template:Pokémon/7]]? It's been a while since they've been updated for LGPE, so I made my tested versions of those templates and left the test cases in their respective Talk pages. Thanks! [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 19:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

==Oranguru's Place==
Last year, I asked abcboy whether [[User:BigDocFan/Oranguru's Place]] was good for mainspacing, his only complaint about the article was its name and would speak with other admin about it. This was sometime ago and I haven't heard anything back though I have asked him about it.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:08, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
:I've asked the other admins, awaiting a response. Personally, I don't think it's notable since it was only important for one episode. But since this series is on-going, it could be important in a future episode (thus could change my mind).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

== My trivia on protect and hidden power ==

First, I wrote "learned by most species", not "used by most species". Pokemon ''use'' struggle; they do not ''learn'' struggle. Second, I looked through the entire list of near-universal TM moves, and protect and hidden power really were the most universal of all of them. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
:Don't add back removed trivia. I can see from the table on the TM page that their are ''several'' moves that are near universal. Attract, Frustration, Rest, Return so on so forth.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
::This is a list of currently "near-universal" TMs and the number of Pokemon that can't learn each.
:::Attract: {{cat|Genderless Pokémon|most of these}}
:::Confide: 24
:::Double Team: 25
:::Facade: 31
:::Frustration: 23
:::Hidden Power: 21
:::Protect: 21
:::Rest: 29
:::Return: 23
:::Round: 25
:::Sleep Talk: 23
:::Substitute: 22
:::Swagger: 28
:::Toxic: 23
::As you can see, protect and hidden power are the most learned moves. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

==Bewear Rescues==
Was wondering if [[User:BigDocFan/Bewear Rescues]] might be worth mainspacing as a running gag?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:33, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
:The table could be presented a bit better. I think it's fine to have an article about, though ask for second opinions.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

== Pointless edits ==

One day, I was checking the log of blocked users and saw a handful being blocked for 30 days for “making pointless edits”. How does Bulbapedia define '''pointless edit''' and could you provide a few examples of what could be considered to be pointless edits (so that I do not make the same mistakes and end up like those monthly losers)? ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 05:26, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
:Depends on the edit. Changing sentences to say the exact same thing as it was before, adding info and immediately reverting yourself, adding unecessary white space, are some of the examples.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

== Underleveled Pokémon page ==

I'm requesting that we should start a page with a list of all underleveled Pokémon owned by the trainers (excluding the Pokémon from the battle facilities). I detected that in Gen II games, if you chose {{p|Cyndaquil}}, {{ga|Silver}} has a level 16 {{p|Croconaw}}, but its lowest natural level is 18. [[User:TheICTLiker4|TheICTLiker4]] ([[User talk:TheICTLiker4|talk]]) 07:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
:[[User:Spriteit/Underleveled Pokémon|Spriteit]] has a userpage that covers underleveled Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:43, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
::Does [[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]]’s page qualify for mainspacing? Because userpages do not get a lot of traffic and do not usually show up in search engine results. ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 15:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
:::In its current state, probably not. If anyone wants to know, just give them the link to the userpage and they'll edit it. Don't worry about it not getting "traffic". It'll get traffic if you share it around.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

== Usertags for tagging suspected sockpuppets and their sockmasters ==

I just made two usertag templates that could be worth your attention as to whether they could be approved for templatespacing:
* [[User:SilSinn9801/User Sockpuppet]]
* [[User:SilSinn9801/User Sockmaster]]

Admins could use these usertags for temporarily tagging sockpuppets and sockmasters on their userpages (at least until such pages are hit with {{m|Perish Song}}) in a fashion not unlike what is done on Wikipedia (where they use [[wp:Template:Sockpuppet]] and [[wp:Template:Sockpuppeteer]] for the same purpose). ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 01:54, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
:Just because Wikipedia does a thing, '''does not''' mean we have to do the same. We have our own rules and guidelines, and they have theirs. I don't think it's necessary. '''At all'''. It's basically throwing around accusations at possibly innocent users, even if you have all those parameters.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
::Well, at least I hope you understood my choice of Pokémon ({{p|Shuppet}} for sockpuppet, {{p|Hypno}} for sockmaster) for the usertags, even if they were just defeated with {{m|Perish Song}}. At least I had fun practicing complex wikicode conditionals. ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 04:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

== Sorry for vandalising ==

So, how it happened. My brother was joking around, and did like, that, and he clicked on Save, though he didn't want to. Dunno how you can mistake left click with right click, but sorry :( {{unsigned|SeeYaLater}}

== Links to fan sites and theory sites ==

Do we provide such links or references in any article? Or is it the same problem of copyrights to avoid them? [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 15:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
:Using fan sites and theory sites as references are not allowed, the former because they are fan sites and the latter because theories are mostly just speculation and rumors. Also depends on what you're asking about.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
::[[Aging in the anime]]. Can this page cover Ash's age theories? [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 16:36, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
:::While the page is basically fan speculation, referencing theory sites is still not allowed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
::::Ok. But adding theories is allowed? If not, then I suppose someone would have called for deleting a page like this... [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 20:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

== Creating a new page on how Gastly can learn the punch moves. ==

So, you can say it's kinda a theory. But I'm not stretching anything at all, not even medium. Just some good ol' theory. {{unsigned|SeeYaLater}}
:Read Gastly's biology section.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:19, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

==Mainspace==
Was wondering if you could check if [[User:BigDocFan/Gladion's Umbreon|Gladion's Umbreon]] and [[User:05308/Gladion's Lycanroc]] were notable enough to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
:I've brought them up with the others.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

== Request to delete unneeded redirect ==

I had just renamed a draft template in my userspace, leaving behind a redirect. I now want an admin to delete the now-unneeded redirect page:
* <del>User:SilSinn9801/Fashion/middle</del> ''([[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) already deleted it, so don’t worry about this one)''

‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 18:13, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I also request the deletion of these two no-longer-needed draft templates:
* [[User:SilSinn9801/Fashion/headerUSUM]] ''(no longer needed because its functionality was finally incorporated into the official [[Template:Fashion/header]], so no need for two templates that do exactly the same)''
* [[User:SilSinn9801/Fashion/su]] ''(no longer needed <del>because [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) settled on using a table divider for segregating USUM-exclusive items from SM-original ones, so no need to individually mark USUM-exclusive items with {{gameabbrev7|USUM}}</del>)''

‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 22:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

== yo ==

so do u really think safari balls should be listed under items? i sure as hell dont. i dont think of that entry being helpful/important at all. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 12:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
:I don't have a solid opinion on this. I don't mind either way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

==Sources==
Was wondering if the following websites are acceptable sources
* http://anipoke-dic.com/voice_aikawa
* https://renote.jp/articles/12599/page/11
* https://bgm.tv/person/4030/works/voice --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:00, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

== Pokemon.com wallpaper? ==

Should I add this to the Excape from Gengar's mansion thing (btw this is daytime)? https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-online-games/escape-from-gengars-mansion/
If so, I can't do that because it's not a thing in Bulbapedia on it's own.
[[User:SeeYaLater|SeeYaLater (sandbox)]] ([[User talk:SeeYaLater|talk]]) 18:33, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
:Minigames from Pokemon.com aren't notable for their own articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

== Generation VII remake Pokémon ==

I was writing about it in the sense that all previous remakes have the ability to receive all Pokemon from all generations up until that game, either during the postgame or storyline. LGPE regress on this and only allows for the original 151 plus Meltan and Melmetal. [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 06:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
:I think post-game shouldn't count, since it's obvious that post game will have mons from outside the original generation. If LGPE ''adds'' Meltan and Melmetal, then that obviously makes the trivia false.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
::Then maybe more like "its the first remake to limit its own National Dex down to the generation that is being remade ''throughout the entire game''". Pokemon from Gens 2-7, besides Meltan and Melmetal, can't be sent from GO and don't exist in the game as obtainable Pokemon.

::FireRed and LeafGreen, even though the Gen 2 and 3 Pokemon only appear in the postgame, counts as it and all of the other remakes are being viewed in their entirety. FRLG has data for the Pokemon from the first three generations, they exist as '''obtainable''' Pokemon in the data. LGPE is the first remake where we don't get Pokemon from the later generations, besides Meltan and Melmetal, throughout the entire game; it sticks pretty closely to first generation's Pokedex besides the two mythicals and Alolan formes. [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 23:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
:::"besides Meltan and Melmetal". That already makes the trivia false. They're in the game, therefore it is not limited to the original listing.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
::::So then, how about ''additions''? So then: "LGPE is the first remake to limit its Pokedex down to Pokemon from the generation that is being remade throughout the entire game, with the '''addition''' of Meltan and Melmetal." and "Every Pokemon from the later generations is absent, with the exception of Meltan and Melmetal, which were just newly introduced."

::::I've been stating my case for this so far and I'd like to hear your side. You seem pretty adamant about not letting this make it to the Trivia subsection [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 17:43, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::The LGPE page's trivia section already has "not every Pokémon revealed at the time is programmed into the games" which I think is a concise and clear way of putting it. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 22:11, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::The trivia is contradicting itself. It's saying it's the first to not have any additions to its original listing, yet it ''still adds'' Meltan and Melmetal.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:56, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

==DoveSmith==
Received a message on my talk page from DoveSmith which reads ''Please stop your disruptive editing as you did to [[Anela]]. You may be blocked from editing [[Bulbapedia]] if you continue.'' From what I can tell, I did little wrong to warrant the message, especially as he isn't admin so thought I would ask you as admin about this just to clarify any issues.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

== Trying to make my show/hide usertag box work correctly... ==

[https://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/SilSinn9801/showhide_zpsh0ierej7.png My problem with expandable usertag boxes…] (link to my PhotoBucket-stored image)

I am trying to turn my ridiculously-long box of usertags into a simple box of expandable usertag fields (using your infobox template as an idea), but I am not getting the results I want. If you see my PhotoBucket image above, you’ll see that I specified my headers to be horizontally centered within the box, but they only stay centered when they are collapsed; when I expand them by clicking on Show, they move to the far right (leaving a ridiculously-large gap to the left), and the usertags below such headers, rather than filling the whole width of the box, only fill an amount equal to the void to the left of the headers (leaving unsightly gaps to their right). This is my current partial wikicode:
<pre>{|style="{{roundy|16px}}; text-align:center; border:2px solid #000; background:#000; color: #fff; margin-right:8px; margin-bottom:8px; float:right; font-size:90%; width:320px;"
|-
|'''{{Anchor|Usertags|Additional Usertags}}'''
{|width="100%" class="expandable" style="{{roundy|10px}}; text-align:center; background:red; color:#000; font-size:13.5px;"
|
!style="{{roundy|9px}}; background:#000; color:#fff; text-align:center"|''Personal stats''
|-
|{{User Country|628|the United States|0000DD|DD0000|FFFFFF}}

|}

|}</pre>

I want both my headers and my usertags to fill the whole width of the box when expanded, rather than having headers to the right and usertags to the left. How do I fix this? ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 00:20, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

==Possible Mainspace==
Was thinking [[User:Super10ZX/Scott Williams]] might be notable enough for mainspacing so went to do it, only to get 'You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason: A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name.' Could you check if the page is notable enough and if it is, could you sort it out please?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:53, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
:I think the biography section should be filled out first. Other than that, it's good to go. Once the biography has been expanded, I'll move the article over the existing redirect.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:00, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
::With help from GrammarFreak, we have added a biography--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
:::I think that's good enough for a start (I assume date of birth and such isn't readily available?). I've moved the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
::::I looked over for all available information, sadly a date of birth couldn't be found--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:15, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

== yo ==

dont know if you need to be reminded but im still getting internal error on the bottom of my pages. if you dont, just lemme know; i wont bring it up again --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 23:42, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
:Not really sure what the progress on this is, I'm assuming it's still being looked into. The internal errors comes and goes on my end.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

== LET ME CREATE PAGES!!!!!!!!!! ==
Please let me create pages, Force Fire! I have no permission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! {{unsigned|Mjhenry93}}
:First of all, calm down. Second of all, you must be {{bp|Autoconfirmed}} to be able to make pages.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:06, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

== New image ==

Add the image (address to the right) to the last section of the page “[[Celadon Gym]]”.
https://ibb.co/hLMyM9D
[[User:TheICTLiker4|TheICTLiker4]] ([[User talk:TheICTLiker4|talk]]) 19:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

== Error 503 ==

Hey! Every time I try to click on an article, I keep getting a "Error 503 Backend fetch failed" message. I eventually manage to get through after refreshing the page a couple of times, but it's getting frustrating already. Do you know what's going on? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

:And the problem's just getting worse. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:55, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
::We're well aware of the issue and is getting looked into.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:39, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I'm not sure if the staff did something, but it looks like the problem has already been fixed for me. I'll check back with you if it starts happening again. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:21, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

== Reverts ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Armaldo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2922777&oldid=2917679] Can you check this? It was reverted. [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 13:22, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

:It was reverted because there was consensus that the armadillo tidbit is way too insignificant for inclusion. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:32, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
::The word "armadillo" comes from "armor" anyway, so it's redundant. And the tail thing isn't significant, as many unrelated Pokémon share design traits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:02, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

== Near-universal TMs ==

What is the definition of "near-universal"? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
:"Can be learns by almost all Pokémon". There is no set number, it is subjective to try and make up a max number. Just leave it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
::How is "almost" any less subjective? What purpose does a definition like that have? With a definition like that, how are editors supposed to know whether the list is complete? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

== First to appear outside the League ==

I thought Koga was the first one because he appeared in his gym in the Generation 1 games. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
:He appeared at his Gym '''before''' he became an Elite Four member. That's why it doesn't count. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
::Okay thanks. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:21, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

== Humor articles ==

Hi. Do we allow humor or satirical articles? [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 16:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
:No, they are not allowed. We're a wiki, not buzzfeed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
::Oh great! Thanks. [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 14:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

== Pokémon quest images. ==

Am I allowed to put Pokémon Quest images to the sprites page? {{unsigned|SeeYaLater}}
:If you mean their models, then those would go in the side series template, not the sprite box. As for whether you can add them, no, since the template doesn't have support of Quest information. That would need to get added at some point.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:16, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

==Good News==
Received cast lists from Lisa Ortiz today, there is a lot there which I am currently screenshoting for your approval--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:Emailed you the cast lists I've received, awaiting your approval--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
::All of those are fine. Also, do you have a discord account? Would be good if you could contact me via the discord.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

== Trying to make my show/hide usertag box work correctly... REPOST ==

I had posted this [[#Trying to make my show/hide usertag box work correctly...|above]] several weeks ago, but received no response, so I am reposting this:

[https://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah164/SilSinn9801/showhide_zpsh0ierej7.png My problem with expandable usertag boxes…] (link to my PhotoBucket-stored image)

I am trying to turn my ridiculously-long box of usertags into a simple box of expandable usertag fields (using your infobox template as an idea), but I am not getting the results I want. If you see my PhotoBucket image above, you’ll see that I specified my headers to be horizontally centered within the box, but they only stay centered when they are collapsed; when I expand them by clicking on Show, they move to the far right (leaving a ridiculously-large gap to the left), and the usertags below such headers, rather than filling the whole width of the box, only fill an amount equal to the void to the left of the headers (leaving unsightly gaps to their right). This is my current partial wikicode:
<pre>{|style="{{roundy|16px}}; text-align:center; border:2px solid #000; background:#000; color: #fff; margin-right:8px; margin-bottom:8px; float:right; font-size:90%; width:320px;"
|-
|'''{{Anchor|Usertags|Additional Usertags}}'''
{|width="100%" class="expandable" style="{{roundy|10px}}; text-align:center; background:red; color:#000; font-size:13.5px;"
|
!style="{{roundy|9px}}; background:#000; color:#fff; text-align:center"|''Personal stats''
|-
|{{User Country|628|the United States|0000DD|DD0000|FFFFFF}}

|}

|}</pre>

I want both my headers and my usertags to fill the whole width of the box when expanded, rather than having headers to the right and usertags to the left. How do I fix this? ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 23:55, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
:That's also a problem in my infobox as well, though I never really bothered to check why it does that and just left it as is. The expandable tags is something that I'm not too knowledgeable on, especially when used in templates. Try asking someone that would know what's wrong with them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
::I found the solution to our common problem, courtesy of '''[[User:Willyh106|Willyh106]]''' '''[[User talk:Willyh106|ㅓTalkㅏ]]''':
<pre>{| cellspacing="3" cellpadding="3" class="collapsible" align="right" style="{{roundy|20px}}; border: 5px solid #000; background: red; width: 320px"
|-
| cellpadding="3" align="center" style="font-size:120%; color:#fff" | '''Usertags'''

|- class="collapsible" 
| style="{{roundy|16px}}; background: #000; color: #fff" | '''''Header 1'''''
|-
|{{Usertag 1.1}}
{{Usertag 1.2}}
...

|- class="expandable" 
| style="{{roundy|16px}}; background: #000; color: #fff" | '''''Header 2'''''
|-
| 

|}</pre>
::Just copy it and change colors, widths, font sizes, styles (bold/italic), headers, usertags, and collapsible/expandable classes (depending on whether you want to show/hide some usertag lists by default). Or allow me to turn all this wikicode into a series of table templates (like those made by Tiddlywinks for [[Fashion item]]) so that everyone can save time and effort when building their userpages (and thus have way more time available for working on productive edits). ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 22:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

== New proposed article: [[User:SilSinn9801/List of Pokémon that appear in only one regional Pokédex|List of Pokémon that appear each in only one regional Pokédex]] ==

I made this article proposal which I would like an admin like you to consider for mainspacing:
* [[User:SilSinn9801/List of Pokémon that appear in only one regional Pokédex]]
Each Pokémon in my proposed list above has so far appeared in just one regional Pokédex (the one that debuted in its corresponding generation), as opposed to [[List of Pokémon that appear in every regional Pokédex|those who appeared in every regional Pokédex to date]] and [[List of Pokémon that do not appear in any regional Pokédex|those who appeared in none]]. Because all of the original 151 Kanto Pokémon also appeared in the Johto Pokédex, none of them is in my list above, thus leaving Meltan and Melmetal as the sole representatives of Kanto in such a list. Also not on this list are those Pokémon that appeared in at least two regional Pokédices (because I do not like to say Pokédexes), even if they did not appear in every Pokédex.

If this list is ever approved for mainspaced, then the {{template|pokelist}} navbox template may need to be updated to include this list.

I already notified [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) about this proposed article for consideration.

On average, how long does it take for staff to review a proposed article and reach a decision on whether to approve it or not?

P.S. the speech balloon on my signature is not an inline image, but a font character escaped via an HTML hex code (<code>&#x1F4AC;</code>, officially termed a {{wp|numeric character reference}}), so it should be acceptable under the [[Bulbapedia:Signature policy|Signature policy]]. If I were to directly type the character without first escaping it, then the wikicode processor, for some technical reason that seems to apply to all characters beyond U+FFFF, would stop at that character and truncate the remainder of the wikicode, as I just discussed [[Bulbapedia talk:Signature policy#Foreign characters|here]]. 
‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 04:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
:It will be under consideration. There is no "average" time an article gets mainspaced. It depends on what article it is and if it is needed. Also, any articles proposal should have the <nowiki>{{mainspace}}</nowiki> at the very top and categories should not be added to the proposed article until after it has been mainspaced. {{unsigned|Force Fire}}
::Is it safe to rename the page in the meantime? Tiddlywinks suggested removing the word “each” from the title. Also, you forgot to sign your comment. ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 06:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
:::Yes, you can change the name of the userpage.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:07, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

==Stoutland==
Would anyone object to me creating an article for Stoutland (anime)?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
:Its been several days since I posted, is it OK to mainspace Stoutland?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:10, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
::I'd say it's fine to be mainspaced.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:09, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

==User:BigDocFan/Ryota Iwasaki==
Was wondering if Ryota Iwasaki was notable for mainspacing.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
:Looking at his roles, he's only played 9 minor characters, the minimum is ten. So not yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:56, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
::Fair enough, so once he is credited with one more character, he gets the go ahead?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:53, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
:::With Ryota Iwasaki confirmed as having 10 characters, can the page I created be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:38, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
::::Once SM113 airs in Japan, it can be moved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

== Request to delete two unnedeed redirects ==

I request the deletion of these two leftover redirects:
* [[User:SilSinn9801/List of Pokémon that appear each in only one regional Pokédex]]
* [[User talk:SilSinn9801/List of Pokémon that appear each in only one regional Pokédex]]
‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 19:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

== Z-Move descriptions ==

I personally have not understood why the Z-Move descriptions when used in the anime or manga are not only displayed on their respective articles (where they definitely do belong) but also on the articles of Pokémon that have used them. Aren't those kinds of descriptions on Pokémon articles supposed to be reserved for improvised moves and combo moves, i.e. moves that don't exist in the games and thus must be described on the Pokémon's own articles due to those moves not having their own pages to be described on? Don't move articles have descriptions of the move ''specifically'' to avoid the need to put them on the articles of Pokémon that have used them? 
I've always seen that Z-Moves should be listed with the same template used to list other moves used by a Pokémon, just in a separate section. Like how, for example, [[May's Munchlax]] and [[James's Mime Jr.]]'s "Moves used" sections have subsections for moves they've used through moves that call other moves, like Metronome or Mimic. 
I hope you understood what I was trying to say. What do you think? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
:I'm not too sure on the reasoning, but they're probably split because they're special moves? I've inquired with the other staff members about it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
::Special moves or not, I see the descriptions belonging only to the move pages, if such exists. But thank you. I'll be waiting for replies. Hopefully they'll come soon. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
:::Have you gotten any responses yet? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

==BigDocFan mainspacing==
Was wondering how [[User:BigDocFan/Toucannon's flock (anime)]] was looking in terms of being mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
:I feel that only Trumbeak and Toucannon are notable, I've asked the other staff members for their opinions.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

== Errors by game NPC ==

Can we mention grammatical errors made by game NPCs? We often mention these errors if they happen in anime... [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 15:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
:I think we already do, it's a very rare case though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

== Latter half of the trivia ==

It says "transport a human being at sea." That was transcribed character by character, not copy pasted. Now that I've read it, what's next? Also I posted a new comment about TMs. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:53, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
:I don't think you understand what the trivia is saying. It's saying that there are Pokémon that can use Surf that don't appear to have the physique to be able to carry a person. It is ''not'' saying that they don't have the physique to perform the move. And you're "what's next?" comment furthers my suspicions that you don't understand the trivia. Did you really just read it and not try to understand what is was trying to say?
:On the TMs, I already said to leave it. It's fine the way it is. Trying to make up a number is more subjective than the vague "near universal."--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::First, I don't think you can expect people to understand everything they read. Isn't that what talk pages are for? As for the trivium about surf, isn't carrying a person part of performing the move? If no, why not? And isn't it true that every HM move that involves carrying a person can be learned by Pokemon that don't look like they can carry people, making this trivium not unique to surf?
::If you set a vague definition and list all the TMs that fit the definition, how is that list useful to anyone? How are editors like me supposed to know whether the list is complete? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:44, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
:::The trivia was neither confusing or difficult to understand, it was straight to the point. There's a difference between using a move in battle and using a move to transport people. You're thinking of the former when the trivia is talking about the latter, and the trivia make that '''very''' clear. The trivia is notable, it's similar to the Iron Tail or Ice Punch trivia about Pokémon being able to use the move when they shouldn't.
:::It's simply a list of moves that can be learned by almost all Pokémon. If you want the nitty gritty specifics, go to the move article. Don't expect every single bit of information to be on one single page. Actually '''browse''' the site for the information you need. That's what a wiki is for (at least, one of). You don't read a guide book expecting everything to be on one page, you actually '''read''' the book page by page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
::::So if fly, waterfall, dive, rock climb, and dig can all be learned by Pokemon that look like they can't carry people, does that mean I can add this trivia to the 5 pages about fly, waterfall, dive, rock climb, and dig?
::::You still haven't answered my second question about TMs. How are editors like me supposed to know that the list is complete? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::If you want to? Also, dig doesn't require the person being carried, I would think.
:::::Because it is complete. Whoever added them has probably done their research before adding them. Not sure why you'd think it's incomplete just because there's nothing telling you that it is complete.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
::::::Why should I trust someone who hasn't made a single edit since 2017? Yes, I did try posting stuff on his/her/its user talk just to make sure he/she/it was really inactive. Also, this is a wiki. I can attempt to improve the quality of whatever parts I want. It's almost as if you're saying, "Not sure why you'd think there are grammar errors just because there's nothing telling you that there are no errors." [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

== Sword/Shield link templates? ==

Now that [[Pokémon Sword and Shield]] were announced, will you let me do the {{template|sup/8}} and {{template|gameabbrev8}} link templates? Shall we abbrev them as '''Sw/Sh''', given that both titles start with "S"? ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 14:09, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Never mind, I just created the placeholders, now it's up to someone to develop the {{template|sword color}} and {{template|shield color}} templates (and their light/dark variants) and change the sup/8 and gameabbrev8 templates to use the new color templates. Hope this going ahead does not earn me an edit block... ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 14:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
:Staff will figure all this out, please don't just do as you please. Wait for us to make a decision. Have patience.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

== Forum ban. Why? ==

I've been banned from Bulbagarden Forums due to "ruled violation", but I have no idea what I have done today that would count as rule breaking. And now they're saying I'm going to be banned until March 9. I simply can't stand being banned for that long! Please, can you help me? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 21:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
:Ignore that. I just found out what went wrong. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 21:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
::Do note that whining about it is not going to get you unbanned any faster, especially if your going over here and pestering the staff about it. Not only do you risk getting blocked on the forums for longer, you also risk getting blocked here. So don't whine about a ban and wait it out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:53, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world]] lock ==

Hey! I think you might need to impose an editing lock on the [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world]] article for the time being. Users keep posting information that [[Galar]] is based on the UK without providing sources or waiting for official confirmation. Thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:54, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

== Natural freezing vs [[Freeze (status condition)]] ==

FinnishPokéfan said they are both same thing. Check the history of [[EP237]]. [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 07:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
:I interpreted that as "it's no different from having a Pokemon getting frozen due to a move". I'm saying that the status condition is caused by a move, while Piloswine did not freeze because of a move, it froze because of nature (IIRC). Also, you should avoid making trivia for very specific things. It's not interesting and makes it looks like your trying to shove in a lot of things just to make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
::So... it's not notable that somebody remained frozen for thirty or forty years? [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 11:31, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
:::No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

== List of Pokémon that appear in multiple regional Pokédex ==

You have this old, apparently-abandoned candidate-for-mainspacing page in your userspace:
* [[User:Force Fire/List of Pokémon that appear in multiple regional Pokédex]]
It looks like you stopped at Generation IV, even though you were considering Kalos Pokédex in your entries. Your last edit dates back to November 2015, more than three years ago. What happened? Did you get tired of building up that page, even though it was tagged as a candidate for mainspacing?

Well, never mind that. I don’t know if you would consider this an intrusion, but I started to edit that page so as to take Alola Dex into consideration (because the {{template|alldexh}} and {{template|alldex}} templates were updated to include Adex and the table rows were looking kinda messed up relative to the table headers. Currently, only Generation I has been updated; I still need to update the other Generations and also add Gens. V to VI plus refresh the Hoenn numbers for all Gens. because of {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}.

The wikicode itself is a total mess, a mixture of raw wikicode and {{template|alldex}} transclusions. Why didn’t you make a template for all those rows that could not be served by {{template|alldex}}? And even I think {{template|alldex}} was somewhat badly engineered: why does it have to default unspecified dex entries to "001", when the most logical choice could have been "---"? Well, yes, I know the reason: that less-than/greater-than conditional used for the Sdex column crashes whenever you feed "---" to it, hence why {{template|alldex}} cannot even be manually fed with "---" values (as I tried when entering "s=---").

Maybe I should make a new, sandboxed version of {{template|alldex}} to take "---" values into account, or a newly-named template that could be called <code><nowiki>{{multidex}}</nowiki></code> that would automatically fill unspecified dex values with "---" (and make those "<"/">" comparisons execute only if their input arguments are specified). With such a new template, your neglected “apparent pet project” could be greatly optimized and quickly updated to the current USUM-savvy situation, and perhaps inch closer to mainspacing (that’s why you tagged it for mainspacing in the first place, right?). Given that you apparently do not have spare time to work on this (but I do have plenty of spare time), would you find it acceptable for me to update that page of yours? (But first, I must test that prototype row template in my sandbox.)

Thankee! ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 03:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

I just created my sandboxed <code>alldex</code> template version:
* <code><nowiki>{{User:SilSinn9801/alldex}}</nowiki></code>
Unspecified dex numbers fall back to <code>#---</code> (rather than <code>#001</code>), and I added extra <code><nowiki>#ifexpr</nowiki></code> checks to ensure those less-than/greater-than conditionals do not crash when encountering <code>#---</code> (the <code>#---</code> is temporarily replaced with a sentinel value like <code>-1</code> or <code>0</code> for such comparisons) and to ensure {{sup/5|B2W2}} and {{sup/7|USUM}} do not show up for unspecified fallback values.

This sandbox template could now be used on your prototype multiple-dex page above (instead of all that ugly, extremely-tedious raw wikicode), if you give me the green light. Or, if you think this sandboxed version (which I do not think I need to change anymore — it looks stable enough to me) could be approved to replace the current {{template|alldex}} template, then feel free to nominate it for templatespacing.

Thankee! ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 04:06, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
:...
:The reason I abandoned that article was because X and Y was too much. Unlike BW or DPPt before it, XY literally added almost every Pokémon in its regional dex, meaning I had to add much, ''much'' more than what I had originally thought I would be adding (I believe I started the article around B2W2?). And here comes Sun and Moon to rear its ugly butt in and do the exact same thing as X and Y. And to be fair, they had to compensate the generation's lack of new Pokémon by adding a crap ton of older Pokémon. But still. It was just overwhelming. So I abandoned it.
:If you want to improve the page and make it more complete, be my guest. I could do it, I could've done it a long time ago. Time I had. Motivation I had not.
:As for the coding. When I started the article, I copied and pasted the template from the "Pokemon in every regional dex" article, hence Gen IV uses the alldex template. And since I never updated it, the amount of parameters that I inputted did not amount to the number of paramaters the template has now, hence why it looks messy. When editing the template, I swapped out the alldex template for the raw wikicode. I don't exactly remember why. Looking at the coding, seems that Gen IV was the only generation I had left to swap the alldex template out before giving up on the article.
:Adding "---" to the Sinnoh parameter in the Gen IV section will break the template, because the second parameter is set to Gen IV. You wouldn't add "---" in the column that ''should'' have a number. As for why it's default to 001, default is always 001 for list templates. Even if we were to update it, we don't need an entirely new template. All we have to do is change 001 to --- in the current template.
:Aside from all that. If you want to update the page, go for it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
::OK, thankee for your green light. However, I cannot use the current {{template|alldex}} template by doing <code>param="---"</code> in the transclusions - it breaks the mathematical comparisons (like <code><nowiki>{{{s}}} < 151</nowiki></code>, for example) when parsed, getting me red-colored error messages. Hence why I made the sandboxed version and re-engineered it (you can check its code and see how I improved it). But well, since you think there is no need to replace the current template, can I at least rename my sandboxed version of it to <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>User:SilSinn9801/multidex<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code> before using it on your page? Just to avoid any confusion. ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 16:59, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
:::I did '''not''' say that I prefer having 001 as the default, I was simply explaining why 001 is the default. As I said, we wouldn't need a completely new template, just update the one we currently have. Heck, the current template could do ''without'' the formula for sinnoh and make it like the others, simple. You can move your template to a new name yourself, if you want to.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:04, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
::::OK, if you say it's safe to update the official template, then I could go ahead and do that (fortunately it is only being transcluded into two pages or so, so I do not expect server stress). Actually, my sandbox template was meant to be a proposed update to the official one, so if I update the official one based on my experience with my sandboxed one, then I may not have any further need for my separate version to exist and thus I could instead opt to request you use Perish Song on it. Just give me time for that, I got to sleep now because of my geographical location. ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 07:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
::::I am going to update the official alldex, but I discovered some inconsistency regarding Udex: Unlike Jdex, Hdex, and Adex (where new dex values are printed first and old values –if any– are printed as tooltips along with Gen.II/III/SM), for Ndex > 493 Udex prints the old dex value first and the U2dex value as a tooltip (with B2W2). Shouldn't it be the other way around: print u2dex first and then old udex as tooltip (with BW, unless both values are the same, as is the case of Patrat family), in pretty much the same fashion as Adex? That way we can get rid of another #ifexpr numeric comparison: <code><nowiki>{{{2|001}}} < 494</nowiki></code> (which right now is the one thing that decides whether to print U2dex{{sup/5|B2W2}} for non-Gen.V Pokémon or instead old Udex for Gen.V Pokémon). ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 18:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
::::Why did you protect the official {{template|alldex}} template before reading this new suggestion above regarding the order in which <code>u</code> and <code>u2dex</code> values are to be printed? I noticed you did adopt my suggested <code>---</code> fallback values, but there were a few other #if and #ifexpr instructions I wanted to add to that template to prevent the printing of tooltips and sups when deemed not necessary (like, for example, when both <code>adex</code> and <code>sm</code> are the same value, a tooltip should not show, or whenever <code>u2dex</code> and <code>adex</code> fall back to <code>---</code>, no superscripts should be printed). ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 05:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::First of all, I did '''not''' say you could edit the template. I said you could update thee '''''userpage'''''. Standard users aren't supposed to be editing high traffic templates (regardless of how many pages are actually using it), thus I protected it. As for the template itself, I personally don't think it needs to be ''that'' complicated. I think we could do without the if clauses and have users type out the superscripts and/or tooltips when using the templates. Tedious for users, sure, but if it makes the coding less complicated so be it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::Well, then go ahead and make the necessary changes (whether to remove the ifs and make me manually type the sups and tooltips at the input, or copy code from my sandboxed template and paste it into the official template, <del>or delete that template then quickly move my sandboxed copy to it to effectively replace it</del> - I am fine with any outcome) before I continue (and, hopefully, finish) that masterpiece of yours (your user subpage). Thankee! ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 13:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::: 
::::::Just to let you know, I completed that masterpiece of yours, your [[User:Force Fire/List of Pokémon that appear in multiple regional Pokédex|list of Pokémon that appear in more than one regional Pokédex]]. All it needs now is for an admin like you to re-update the {{template|alldex}} template to suppress the {{sup/5|B2W2}} and {{sup/7|USUM}} superscripts whenever the <code>u2dex</code> and <code>adex</code> parameters, respectively, are left undefined in the transclusions. And reverse the order in which both <code>u</code> and <code>u2dex</code> are printed relative to each other (to bring the Udex column on par with Jdex, Hdex, and Adex – that is, new dex value first, old dex value in tooltip). And allow the user to specify/print under the Adex column the <code>sm</code> parameter alone without requiring the <code>adex</code> parameter (useful for {{gameabbrev7|SM}} Pokémon whose Adex numbers were unchanged in {{gameabbrev7|USUM}} – just as is done under Udex when only <code>u</code> is defined without defining <code>u2dex</code>). All those requested changes are done in my proposed <code><nowiki>{{User:SilSinn9801/alldex}}</nowiki></code> template; you can copy the required code from my template and paste it into <code><nowiki>{{alldex}}</nowiki></code>, then every instance of <code><nowiki>{{User:SilSinn9801/alldex}}</nowiki></code> in your draft article can be replaced with the updated standard <code><nowiki>{{alldex}}</nowiki></code>, and then I can request {{m|Perish Song}} on my template. That is all, and THANKEE! ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 02:38, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

{{indent}}I've updated the template, but haven't deleted your template just yet. Once everything that uses your template is updated, then I'll delete it. I'll completely update my userpage at some point.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
:I just removed the last lingering transclusions of my user template from your draft article and replaced them with the updated alldex template. Now your page looks like a masterpiece – I can now say I can feel proud of turning a long-abandoned project into something of superb quality. Now I can finally grant you permission to use Perish Song on that sandbox template of mine. ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 03:49, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

== Candidates for merging. ==

Dear ForceFire,

I am aware of the policy regarding merging, that there needs to be a discussion and a general consensus for it to occur. However, most of the pages that I and others have marked for merging or deletion in some cases have not been acted upon for months, or years in some cases like the [[Winds of Water]] page, and also no discussion has occurred.

Here is a list of pages that should be merged together:
* [[Kato]] and [[Kiko]]
* [[Sylvan]], [[Kako]], [[Taka]] and [[Shun]] into one page
* [[Lily]] and [[Violet]] into the [[Sensational Sisters]] page (this one had some discussion attached)
* [[Moose]] into [[Layla (M11)]]
* [[Pokémon Lover's Club]] into [[HopHopHop Town]]
* [[Laramie Village]] into [[Safari Land]]
* [[Pokémon Park (anime)]] into [[Tangelo Island]]
* The redirects on the [[Island of the Giant Pokémon]] page should be removed as well t save having to repeat the same information in the splinter pages.
I am bringing this up as the Mountain Lighthouse was not considered worthwhile having its own page simply because little happened there, and stands as a more suitable subsection of the [[Misty Village]] page.
Hope to hear back shortly,[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 05:48, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
:There is no deadline to when pages will be merged. Most of those a for minor things, so they aren't high on the priority list.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
::I'm more than fine to combine the pages myself by cutting the information from the article and putting it into the other, I simply need your say so to do exactly that. And afterwards I'll just need you to delete the residual pages.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 00:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Merging isn't simply just copying and pasting. You have to preserve the history of the other article, which only staff can do. Like I said, it's not high on the priority list.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
::::How long does the history preservation process take? Does the priority list have a page? Or is there someway this issue could become high priority?[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:38, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::Moving Article A over Article B (after copying and pasting content from Article B to Article A), which involves deleting Article B (which only staff can do). And then undeleting the revisions of Article B on the new article (which only staff can do). There is no physical priority list that I am aware of. Even if there was, it's obviously not going to be out in the public. Since these are minor articles, they are unlikely to become high priority any time soon. These article have been laying around for years mainly because new things (like games or anime) show up and they take higher priority, putting these article lower and lower.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:04, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

== [[MechaMew2]] ==

Has this been left out of the mechas article for some good reason? [[User:Eastern Goldfinch|Eastern Goldfinch]] ([[User talk:Eastern Goldfinch|talk]]) 13:22, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
:It's not canon, has absolutely nothing to do with the anime, even if it uses characters from the anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:00, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

== The MHA reference ==

You and Chosen both say that that's just a generic angry anime face that James makes in [[SM111]]. However, as I've already said before, I strongly disagree. Take a look at these pictures: [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mLg61wLP1tw/maxresdefault.jpg][http://66.media.tumblr.com/5f257a709fe89d7e4b6bc5604392919f/tumblr_inline_o6lffyRcK81r1tuww_540.png][https://66.media.tumblr.com/d419ccb783fb9f9c6c578fb8c0d27afc/tumblr_orox07aJTu1r1vyalo1_640.gif] Can you '''honestly''' say you've seen eyes like that in some other anime? I highly doubt it. This is '''definitely''' not a coincidence. The Sun & Moon series '''loves''' making references to other anime, that fact has been established many times before. Why would '''this''' one be more farfetched than the rest? So, can we readd that picture and trivia on the episode article? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
:I'm certainly not going to find every instance of an angry anime face, so [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicalAngryFace here's the TVtropes page]. In short, it's a very common trope in the anime and not exclusive to MA.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
::The thing is, usually angry anime are just round and white. These angry eyes are distinctively different. They're far from generic, a fact that you seem to fail to understand. Even the Bulbagarden Forums has acknowledged that this is a MHA reference. Please, can you give a permission to re-add that piece of trivia? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
:::So? Do I get the permission or not? I think this evidence should be enough to convince you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:53, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
::::There are other anime that uses eyes shaped like the one in MHA. Again, I'm not going out of my way to find them because there are just too many of them to look through, but I wouldn't be surprised if a popular anime (idk, like DragonBall) didn't have an angry face stylised like the one in MHA.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::Would it help if you heard some person who's seen more anime than you have to say their opinion on the matter? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:02, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::This is not a case of me apparently having watched more anime than you have, this is me being absolutely certain that he has seen an angry face stylized like that in more than a few anime. Again, I'm not going out of my way to find it because there are A) too many of them B) too many episodes to look through just to find one face.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:09, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::::And since you keep asking, I have googled and found plenty of comical angry faces that uses those stylized eyes as MHA. [http://a.nime.me/0080/3377/top-ten-anime-characters-seven-10.png Full Metal Alchemist], [https://i.pinimg.com/474x/bb/3c/9e/bb3c9e7b7eeb31f7d00a5c7914c737c6--mad-face-group-projects.jpg Ouran High School], [https://img.fireden.net/a/thumb/1540/71/1540714130742s.jpg Another Full Metal Alchemist].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

== Planning to take a Wikibreak here… ==

I want to tell you that I am thinking of taking some kind of [[wp:Wikipedia:Wikibreak|Wikibreak]] from Bulbapedia to focus on my upcoming original music single release (yes, I do chiptune music as you can read from my userpage), due April 1, 2019 (I have to prepare the promo videos and other stuff and won’t have time to dedicate to Bulbapedia). So, as a precautionary measure (in case someone hacks into my account and uses it to vandalize this wiki), may I ask you to temporarily freeze or block my account from performing any edits until May 11, 2019 (the second anniversary of me joining YouTube)? Is there a template that I can put on top of my userpage to alert readers that I am taking a Wikibreak until May 11, 2019? Thankee! ‑‑[[User:SilSinn9801|''SilSinn'']] ([[TID]]s: '''768426[[Pokémon Sun|S]]''', '''123446[[Pokémon Ultra Moon|UM]]''') [[User talk:SilSinn9801|💬]] 03:56, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
:You can place [[Template:Inactive User]] on either your userpage or talk page (or both). I don't think blocking is necessary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

==African Vulture/Annice Moriarty==
I've had a message on my talk page from African Vulture about Annice Moriarty which reads as follows:
I am currently working on fixing a mistake that has been made in regards to the Ugandan-American voice actress [[Annice Moriarty]], a woman that some in the anime communities have mistaken for a similar sounding voice actress named [[Kether Donohue]]
I'm wondering if you can help me migrate the page over to [[Annice Moriarty]] as they are not the same person at all.
I've looked all over the internet, and I am unable to find any sources at all, even if she was not my sister.
Can I ask for help in correcting this mistake?
We actually did a parody of this on a youtube channel we created called Kether Ketchup, which was meant to make fun of the internet's mistake about Annie.
I would deeply appreciate help in fixing this error, and would like to know what sources people claim to have so we can address them.
thanks.
:I'm not sure what to say about this and would like your advice--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:21, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
::I've already sent them a message.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Not sure how I am supposed to prove who I am given that I don't go around sending people my personal information after an event a few years ago where I had personal info stolen when I last visited this country I am currently in, but if I can prove in a way that does not mean me sending personal info to you guys I can do it.
Annice Moriarty is a real name, not a pseudonym.
A pseudonym is a fake name that somebody uses as an alternative to their real name. Annie Moriarty could be considered a pseudonym to Annice. Annice is an African name as is my name, Ritaya.
thanks.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 14:28, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Of course you need to recignize that neither Annice Moriarty or myself are American-born, I do not live in America.
So if you are looking through American birth records for Annice Moriarty you won't find her as she was not born in America.
Annice is an African name of likely Swahili or Malagasy origin (as our mo mwas Malagasy and our dad is from Uganda) She never told us where Annie's name is from exactly.
African vulture is my pseudonym, Annice Moriarty is Annice Moriarty's real name, we would not allow anybody to use the Annice Moriarty name because if they did we would be contacting them. By we I mean Annie.
As for proof for who I am, a little while ago when I came to visit where I am right now, I had an incident where my identity was stolen, because I gave personal info to somebody who wanted me to prove who I am. that's why I'm not willing to send personal information, so if there is a way I can prove to you who I am without sending a Zambian birth cirtificate, personal ID or anything like that, I cannot help you for now.
I'm ot even using my own e-mail address. A Canadian friend of mine allowed me to use his e-mail address for the purposes of this account. I chose him because of his knowledge of Pokemon, a series I am falling in love with myself.
So if there's anything I can do short of giving you my personal information after the incident a while ago, I can for sure help you.
thakns
Ritaya.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 14:52, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
:We don't ask for your personal information and such. Just link to us a page that is related to the actual Moriarty, if there are any, and the staff will try to contact her. Also, I'm not saying Moriarty isn't a real name, I'm saying the Donohue possibly used at as her pseudonym.
:I searched through google for Annice Moriarty, I didn't look through any records, I don't have access to that. Also, Donohue was credited as Annice Moriarty in the actual credits of Kappa Mikey and an interview with her also stated that she voiced a character on the show.
:And since I couldn't find (read: google) ''anything'' about an Annice Moriarty, I will restore Donohue's page to what it was before.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

No, it must stay gone until you guys in th eanime community can provide proof that Donohue appropriated this Malagasy name.
You guys are drawing parallels based on voice and that both Moriarty and Donohue were in a couple of the same shows.
I don't doubt that Donohue has been in a couple of the shows that Annie has been in, but I'm affraid that you are the one who has to source that Moriarty is a pseudonym, since you guys argued the positive for eons.
I am merely challenging this with a where did you get this from.
IMDB is not reliable at all because it helps to propagate this lie/mis hearing of voices and misunderstanding of the interviews.
She may have been in Kappa Mikey but she's not Annie.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 06:39, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

do not revert, she was in the show but until a source exists that shows Donohue's appropriation of the Annice Moriarty name, you must not re asd it. You may be highly respected on bulbapedia, including by me, but I do not respect your version due to it being wrong and not to mention unsourced.
Show me the interview that she says "I am Annice Moriarty" or "I did this under Annice Moriarty" or else leave it be for now until you can find such a source.
Donohue is a caucasian-American who has no right to the Malagasy name Annice Moriarty, if she were to use that name do you know how much the Malagasy and Swahili communities would be upset with her? especially in these times when cultural awareness is so strong?
Seriously, Annie is Annie, Kether is Kether.
Kether was in that show for sure, absolutely, but she did not use Annice Moriarty because she would otherwise be appropriating an ancient malagasy name.
thanks.
All these claims on sites like IMDB (which is user-submitted, I have submitted to that site myself for various things), and does not often fact check itself.
I am working on removing all Annice Moriarty credits from them, as is Annie herself. I am contacting Kether Donohue right now using my friend's e-mail and am going to make her aware of this post, so she can come and explain to you everything from her point of view.
give it time as she's likely a bus woman. thanks.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 06:47, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 06:47, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

I am bringing a third party in just to help us figure this out.
You need to find more better sources if you want to make this claim that Annie's name was used by Kether Donohue.
The third party I found is [[User talk:Kogoro|Kogoro]], another well-respected bulbapedia member.
I want all of the Annice Moriarty stoff off that Kether Donohue not just because Annice Moriarty is my sister, but because there's nothing out there that officially verifies this. Leaving the real Annie asside, pesudonyms must always be verified before they can be added to places like this, it's in your own pollicies that you guys always push.
thanks.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 07:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

==Idea for Pokemon move pages==
Seeing as some pages are getting really long because of all the ways lots of Pokemon can learn certain moves, what if the TM/HM/Move tutor tables are combined into one? The tables could have a header on how the move is learned in that particular generation, and they all use check marks to signify compatibility anyways, so I think it's a simple change that can go a long way in presenting data. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 13:40, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
:Gonna need to see what that would look like. I personally think TMs/HMS and tutor moves are completely different thing to be able to place into one table.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
::I wanna clarify that theyre really similar in move pages (say Defog), not in Pokemon pages (which should stay separate). You know how if a move is learnable by TM/HM the header displays the number of TM it is in a certain gen? If its learnable through move tutor, the header can read "Move tutor" instead. No move so far is both a TM and move tutor in the same gen, so conflicts between these shouldnt happen. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 05:41, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

== Inappropriate comment ==

Hi ForceFire. Please have a look at the [[Professor Ivy]]'s page and deal with the user responsible. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:57, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

== Annice Moriarty ==

Hello
You keep re-adding an Annice Moriarty quote to the [[Kether Donohue]] page.
Please look before you revert.
Yo keep adding a thing "(as Annice Moriarty) even though Annice Moriarty is not a pseudonym for anybody let alone any American-born voice actress, because they would be appropriating a Malagasy name.
thanks.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 05:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
:Please refer to my comment above. Don't create a new section to discuss the same subject, use the section that already exists. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

== Evolution templates on branched Pokemon ==

I noticed on pages for Pokemon like Gallade that are on one branch of a branch evolution, the Evolution section doesn't show the other branch (in this example, Gardevoir). I believe this should be changed, and that Pokemon on one branch should show the other branch in their Evolution template— the other branch is already mentioned in the introduction to the article, and I believe it would be very useful information to include, especially since the introductions don't mention the evolution method for the other branch. --[[User:Celadonkey|cela]][[User:Celadonkey|donk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 17:06, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
:I think it's better if you go to the template talk page, that way people will see it (and they'd probably rather have a discussion there rather than on an admin's talk page).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
::I considered that, but there are a bunch of evobox templates, and I didn’t exactly know which one to post on. --[[User:Celadonkey|cela]][[User:Celadonkey|donk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 11:39, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
:::The main evobox template already has a talk page, you can just use that one.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:13, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
::::Alright, I’ll post it there. Thanks! --[[User:Celadonkey|cela]][[User:Celadonkey|donk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 12:20, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

==Тиддлівинкс==
Just seen Тиддлівинкс edit that she couldn't care less on [[AG156]] to give a rat's ass--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:03, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
:[[AG158]] sorry--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:08, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
::It's also worth mentioning that "Тиддлівинкс" is "Tiddlywinks" in Cyrillic letters... --[[User:Celadonkey|cela]][[User:Celadonkey|donk]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 19:09, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Yeah, this user should've been banned at the very start, as his/her username violates Bulbapedia's username policy. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 19:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
::::Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

== Deletion of the template 'Protected' ==

Hi, Since you just deleted it, see [[User talk:Evkl#A template you created is a candidate for deletion|this discussion]]. If you wish to reply, please reply there. If you want to tell me anything off-wiki, then send me a private message on the forums (my username there is the same) [[special:emailuser/Xanthipos|email me directly]].--[[User:Xanthipos|Xant]][[user talk:Xanthipos|hipos]] ([[special:contributions/Xanthipos|C]][[special:emailuser/Xanthipos|@]]) 05:14, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
:Evkl just gave the go ahead in his comment. He also gave the go ahead in a private staff chat.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:50, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
==Green/Leaf==
My reason for replacing Leaf with Green is that you're holding a double standard with her. When Gold was renamed to Ethan, the admins made the decision of the games overrode any sort of supplementary material such as game guides that referred to him as Gold in Gen II. With the ORAS demo, this further confined to just the fully released games. Then with Elio/Selene, you guys used supplementary material since there was no established names in SM and USUM, which is understandable. What I don't get is why a figurine is the reason why "Leaf" is being held over, when the games should be, by Bulbapedia's standards, override any sort of supplementary material, since PE established her name as Green. Also, if you're guys are going to stick with "Leaf" in the context of FRLG, regardless, then shouldn't Ethan be referred to "Gold" in the context of GSC, too? [[User:Sinjoh|Sinjoh]] ([[User talk:Sinjoh|talk]]) 18:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

==Jessie Kane Gill==
I was wondering given [[Nina]]'s continuing role in Pokemon if it was worth giving Jessie Kane Gill a voice actor page.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
:While she does meet the notability requirement, page feels so empty when she's only had one role (though there are probably other va articles that only lists one notable role), doesn't seem enough. Try get second opinions.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

== Pokemon World in relation to real world notice idea ==

Could a notice template like (Template:Upcoming notice) be added to to discourage unnecessary editing and lower revisions that are brought the introduction of Galar, and to still allow for editing of previous regions. There also wasn't a notice up on that page before the full-on protection, which is probably why everybody thought it that it was fine to add Galar. [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 00:19, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

== Autocomfirmed ==

How do I become autoconfirmed?[[User:MeItan|MeItan]] ([[User talk:MeItan|talk]]) 19:53, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

:Keep editing in the mainspace enough times. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

== Torracat talk page ==

Can you answer my question if Rowlet and Litten/Torracat interacted in any episodes. {{unsigned|Feelitstill23}}
:I'm not sure how to answer that question, I haven't watched every episode of sun and Moon. Also, sign your comments.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:07, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

== Pointless edits ==

Dear ForceFire,
I remember writing that absolutely useless link to begin with simply because, guess what would happen, GrammarFreak01 would come along and add such useless links simply to get the latest edit on a page. I have complained about that user's edit stalking multiple times and spoken with the user about such matters, but they continue to repeat this conduct without consequence. GrammarFreak01 undid the link on the [[Rustboro City]] to begin with and that was all the user did in the revision, and it is was an unnecessary edit. I do not want that same behavior of unnecessary and pointless edits which the user has been spoken about to be enabled in any way. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:57, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
:I have to agree with GrammarFreak that the link is unnecessary (albeit for a different reason). Just because an article for Pokémon battle exists, doesn't mean you have to link to it every time the word "battle" appears.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:32, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
::I already acknowledged the link was unnecessary, but so was the change to the page by GrammarFreak01 to begin with. The user has been adding these unnecessary links to pages on multiple occasions like the [[Mossdeep space Center]] page, where I had clarified that the name (which included a Pokémon's actual name) was that of several space missions. I have left it alone to save an edit war, plus FinnishPokéfan92 got involved, but it still didn't sit right with me. I don't want to be adding unnecessary links to pages, but every time I edit a page shortly after GrammarFreak01 will find a gap to delete, change the way an apostrophe looks, changing a word to a synonym or add some of these unnecessary links to pages. I am simply wanting this behavior to stop and be called out when it occurs. Please clarify your position on this conduct. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 05:48, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Please have a look at the latest changes to [[Scott]] and [[Norman]]'s pages. The rewording is not needed, but for some reason GrammarFreak01 feels that such a change is required.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:06, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
::::I find the recent overuse of "reappeared in", "appeared again", etc., in recurring character articles to be highly repetitive and therefore unnecessary, and found the use of "In [episode title]" to be much better in quality. I apply exceptions to recurring characters who only appeared in two or three episodes in total, since there's still some justification for saying "reappeared in" without being overly redundant in terms of style. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::Those were completely fine Pardescan, I agree that the over reliance on "reappeared" can make for a boring read. I don't mind using the word for when there's a large gap in between appearances, though.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::On an unrelated note, I have noticed the extensive nature of the history summaries on some of Ash's classmates pages when compared with many of his former traveling companions. The list of Ultra Guardians missions will continue to grow as the series continues, and much of the details will be listed on the [[Ultra Guardians]] page. But I feel that for the characters themselves, these appearances should be only detailed on their respective pages if that specific character did something significant to the plot as opposed to simply being a part of the mission. Take for example Kiawe in [[SM061]], which I consider unique enough to be mentioned, versus his role during the other missions. Thoughts? [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:39, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Perhaps this is something you should create a brand-new section for. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::::Isn't that how it's done? If not, it should be. If a character doesn't do much in an important/story driven episode, then it shouldn't go into great detail about what they did.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::After having added info to the [[Nurse Joy]] and [[Officer Jenny]] pages, I thought that idea would be the case, but not so. I have cleaned up {[an|Kiawe}}'s history section to show how much unrelated stuff there was present, and likely this will have to occur on all of the main SM characters' pages. Feedback on this edit would be much appreciated. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 07:55, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::Joy and Jenny are completely different characters from Kiawe or any of the classmates. Only episodes where they do (major) things outside of their jobs gets noted. You're edit to Kiawe seems excessive. They're important episode and should be noted, but it shouldn't go into great detail if they didn't do much.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:03, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::::I understand where you are coming from, The edit was drastic, but was well considered in terms of significance. Having written the plots for these episodes it is in general a collaborative edit, with no stand out member usually. Maybe the missions should be listed like an achievements section?[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 08:17, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

== Signing ==

Hello. It feels odd and not right telling you this, but apparently something went wrong with your signing on Chikomastr's talk page. For some reason, your four tildes didn't make a signature and your comment ended up unsigned. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 14:53, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:Didn't "subst:" the template. Fixed now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

== Creating new userspace pages ==

You've recently written to me that I shouldn't put information about my situation at school. How can I create subpages to my userspace? --[[User:TheICTLiker4|TheICTLiker4]] ([[User talk:TheICTLiker4|talk]]) 06:48, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
:No. It does not belong here. Bulbapedia is not your personal blog. You can put it elsewhere, but not on Bulbapedia.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

== About warnings ==

Hello. Having read innumerable talk pages of people who don't read their talk page at all, I started to wonder if there is any way to force a user to read their talk page if the message was sent by someone from the staff, similar to how having to use preview can be enforced. Could be helpful for you guys. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 08:59, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
:There isn't anything like force preview, the closest thing is to block them but let them have the ability to edit their talk page. And that's only for extreme cases.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:20, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

== Request for deletion ==
Hello, could you help me to delete [[User:Singaporean/Kazuyuki Okitsu|this]]? since BigDoc had created. [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 08:40, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

== Mjhenry sockpuppet ==

Hey! It has just come to my attention that {{user|Mjhenry93}} created {{user|Mjhenry83}} as an alternate account. Just wanted to let you know. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

==Articles==
Was wondering if several of my possible mainspace articles were ready for mainspacing
:[[User:BigDocFan/Hala's Hariyama]]
:[[User:BigDocFan/Gladion's Umbreon]]
:[[User:BigDocFan/Professor Kukui's Braviary]]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

== Gladion1028 ==

{{user|Gladion1028}} has in several occasions done multiple edits on one page in a rapid succession, editing each section he edits separately. In addition, he tends to make redirect links, especially with Pokémon species, as well as occasional grammatical errors, that need to be fixed. I just notified him of this, but I'm not sure if he's paid any attention to my post on his talk page. Just thought I'd let you know. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:34, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
:Yup. I'm pretty sure he hasn't paid attention to or respected my message. He still keeps on doing edits that way. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:36, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
::I will have to concur. His edits and overall conduct seem very concerning as of now. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:38, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Will keep an eye out.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:29, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::Thank you from me as well. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:52, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

== Hopoosucs ==

Hey! I'm a bit concerned on what {{user|Hopoosucs}} [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hopoosucs&oldid=2946051 has to say here]. I've since managed to delete that message and replace it with a welcome message. However, I think you probably should keep an eye out on them and their future conduct just in case, since that was just their first edit. We'll see where this goes from here. Thank you very much. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:04, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:Probably a bit too quick to judge them, GrammarFreak. Hasn't really done anything worth coming to my talk page for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:01, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
::Okay. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:38, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

== Vandal ==

Hey! I've got a problem. It's pretty clear to me {{user|ポケモン理論家}} is a vandal, posting unsourced information that he acknowledges may not be true. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:02, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Where_Are_You_Going%2C_Eevee%3F&type=revision&diff=2947171&oldid=2947154 And it's getting worse]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:28, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

== Annice Moriarty ==

Hello
I am going to make some edits based purely on two things:
*The knowledge that Annice Moriarty is most definitely not [[Kether Donohue]], and
*The episode credits.
We know that both Donohue and Moriarty voice [[Lila]], that was what Tom Wayland said.
In fact it was Lila that was the source of the belief that Donohue and MOriarty were the same person, due to them both being credited and them both voicing the same character, albeit during different stages in her life.
I will not add any biographic info on Ann.
here's an easy way to gage my edits:
If Kether Donohue's name appears in the episode, then we can credit her. If Annice Moriarty's name is there, then we must put Annice Moriarty.

I also want to remind you of something:
I got 3 names for you:
*Allyson Johnson ([[Agatha]])
*Kathleen Delaney (Rouge the Bat)
*Caren Manuel (previously believed to have voiced both [[Agatha]] and Rough due to her similar voice to Johnson and Delaney)

Remember that?
That's the other reason why you have to be careful with pseudonyms.
thanks.
So my edits are based on the credits and what Wayland had actually said. thanks
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 21:04, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I guess what I am saying is that the episodes from the galactic battles DVDs credit Annice Moriarty in some episodes, notably the ones with [[Candice]] in them, not Kether Donohue.
Donohue did for sure voice young [[Lila]] but Moriarty voiced adult lila.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 21:34, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

== Search bar problems ==

I'm completely unable to use the search bar at all. Every time I try to search for articles containing certain words, I get this message: "An error has occurred while searching: We could not complete your search due to a temporary problem. Please try again later." [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
:Staff are aware of the issue and have brought it up with the tech team.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:10, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

==Lillie's Mansion==
Was wondering if it was worth creating or working on a page for Lillie's mansion?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
:Not sure if it's that notable, but feel free to create a page in your userpage and the staff can evaluate it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

== Are you active right now ==

Hello
I have no idea what time it is in Australia, wher I am it's about 10 to 9 in the morning.
At the page [[Dimensions]], Grammarfreak reverted my edits with no clear explanation on how it was poor.
I don't speak or write in U.S. English as I am not American. My sister lives in America, not me.
While English is not my first language, I speak it fine, but write differently than an American does, hence why Gramamrfreak doesn't likely understand me.
I am going to go to [[Dimensions]] and restore my edit again, but right after I do so I will attempt to edit it, assuming that gramamrfreak does not revert it and give me an edit conflict error.
Please respond sono as I don't trust Gramamrfreak's judgement here at all due to him not being clear as to his roll as a grammarfreak. more like deletefreak.
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 05:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
:Resorting to insults, huh? Nice. >:( [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:11, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Here is the text I will add. It is an edited version of the one that grammarfreak says is poorly written to the point where he just can't edit it and instead deletes it.

here it goes:

*A parallel universe is shown in the episodes [[SM100|Battling the Beast Within]] and [[SM101|Parallel Friendships]]. This universe is similar to the universe that [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]] and [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]] live in. In this universe, [[Melemele Island]] is in ruins due to the [[Ultra Beast]] [[Guzzlord|Guzzlord]]

How is that version?
[[User:African Vulture|African Vulture]] ([[User talk:African Vulture|talk]]) 06:07, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

==Riley Joseph/Bobbi Hartley==
Been trying to find out more information about Riley Joseph and Bobbi Hartley with little success, guess I am unable to mainspace [[User:BigDocFan/Bobbi Hartley]] and [[User:BigDocFan/Riley Joseph]]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:34, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
:While it would be nice if the bios were expanded a bit, it's not something that is part of the notability requirements (technically it's fine as it is, but I personally just like to see articles whose bios are more than just one line). Both articles are fine to be mainspaced, as they meet the first requirement.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

== Template protection ==

I've [[User talk:Tiddlywinks#Template protection|talked with Tiddlywinks]] about undoing the protection of {{template|Team Plasma}}, which I see as unnecessary at this point. It's been a couple of weeks and no further word has come from Tiddly yet regarding the subject. Can you help in any way? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
:Done. Was most likely forgotten that it was protected.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
::Thank you. I figured as much. I've encountered a similar forgotten protection before. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:02, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

== Disputed moves ==

There are a few questions regarding disputed moves from the {{series|Sun & Moon}} that I'd like to see getting answered. Can you help? I'll list some of them below.
* [[Kiawe's Marowak]] used Bonemerang in its debut episode, and I think the "Headbutt" the subtitles referred to was just a generic headbutt instead of Headbutt the move, especially since it has never been commanded to use the move.
* [[Lusamine]]'s Salazzle definitely used a move while in Ultra Space. My personal guess is it's {{m|Sludge Wave}}. For some reason, the subtitles didn't identify this move at all.
* The {{p|Blacephalon}} from the Blacephalon and Xurkitree episode definitely used Mind Blown multiple times throughout the episode. That head blow-up trick isn't just some natural ability it has. Do you agree or disagree?
* [[Mallow's Tsareena]] definitely used Sweet Scent in the episode where it evolved. For some reason, Playerking95 or the subtitles don't seem to recognize this, despite the move being identical to Bounsweet and Steenee's Sweet Scent. What do you think? 
I may have forgotten some disputed moves, but these are what initially come to mind at least. Waiting for your reply, [[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC).
:I would like to weigh in and say Tsareena used Sweet Scent. We've seen enough proof from its pre-evolved forms to know what it was doing.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 19:12, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
::You know the answer to the first three, if the move wasn't called out or the captions doesn't say what the move is, then we won't add it. Yes, it use ''something'', but we don't know what it is, and we are '''not''' going to guess and potentially be very, ''very'' wrong. On Blacephelon, from it's Ultra Sun dex entry: "Then, without warning, it triggers the explosion of its own head.", so yes, it is a natural ability it has.
::For Tsareena, I've added it to my [[User:Force Fire/List of moves with unique animations|unique move animation]] page with the condition that its secondary effect takes affect and that it gets commanded/stated.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:10, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
:::So seeing its effect on Rowlet being exactly the same as before isn't enough to confirm it?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 15:31, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
::::What Rahl said. And are we going to ignore the fact that the Bonemerang that's called out is animated identically to the bone throw Marowak did in its debut episode? Or that Blacephalon's Pokédex entry could be referring to Mind Blown? Also, saying that Salazzle doesn't have any known moves is an outright lie. We ''clearly'' see it using a move, even if it wasn't called out. Could it at least be discussed about and be "confirmed" that way? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:34, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::I'm still unsure of if there are other moves that have the same affect and would have the same animation, hence the "has to be commanded" requirement. I don't recall whether it was called out in Marowak's debut, but if it wasn't, then there's nothing we can do. It could be either, but the way the dex entry is worded, implies that it's natural. For Salazzle, as I said, we're '''''not''''' going to guess the move and risk being absolutely wrong. No. And it says "none of Salazzle's move are known", as in we don't know what the moves are, not that it didn't use any moves.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

== Playerking95's attitude ==

Sorry for starting yet another subject before you've even gotten to respond to the previous one, but me and Grammarfreak01 both recently asked Playerking95 why he doesn't respond to some of his talk page posts, and his response was as follows:
:"I'm not responding since certain people aren't worth having a conversation with, when they're being stubborn and keep doing the same thing." 
I personally see this kind of attitude/behavior being impolite, and thought I should notify an admin about it. Just in case. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
:Do you have anything to say about this? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:19, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
::For further context, I approached Playerking95 about [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APlayerking95&type=revision&diff=2947265&oldid=2946780 archiving his talk page]. However, he didn't respond for days, hence [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APlayerking95&type=revision&diff=2951403&oldid=2947265 FinnishPokéFan92's initial message] and PK95's response. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
:::While I don't think asking him to make a userpage or archiving his talk page was necessary, that's something for him to decide, his attitude regarding talk pages is a known issue and he has been told to use talk page regardless of how "stubborn" a user is. I'll send a message his way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
::::Thank you, but I disagree about the talk page part. In the diff I provided, it was ''really'' difficult for me to find a talk page discussion that I could use as a reference for another discussion I was having at the time. All of that would've been avoided if he organized his talk page efficiently. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:39, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

== Mega Evolution Related Articles ==

Shouldn't we link [[Mega Evolution]] on the Related Articles of all the Pokémon that can Mega-Evolve? (Don't you dare to steal this >: :P)
[[User:SeeYaLater|SeeYaLater ]] ([[User talk:SeeYaLater|talk]]) 19:52, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
:No, that's not necessary. The "Pokémon with Mega Evolutions" category will suffice.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

== {{U|BrockisdatingMisty}} ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=SM117&diff=prev&oldid=2954275 Once again], this user has disregarded [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrockisdatingMisty&oldid=2939850 your warning] and in a pretty heinous way. Just pointing out. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash%27s_Meltan&type=revision&diff=2954279&oldid=2954277 And they're also vandalizing the Ash's Meltan article]. This is getting out of hand. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

::[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash%27s_Torracat&type=revision&diff=2954282&oldid=2949468 Now they're going on a vandalizing spree]. Maybe it's time to let them go? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
:::Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
::::Thank you. :) [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

==The Forest Pokémon Café!!==
The title for [[SM121]] is Mao's Valiant Effort! The Forest Pokémon Café!! and the summary suggests that this is the name given to [[User:BigDocFan/Oranguru's Place|Oranguru's Place]]. Was wonder if this would help getting the page mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:03, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
:Could just be a descriptor and not an actual name. Wait for the episode to air to see whether it's a name or not.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:07, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

== Orville ==

Hello. I have just been editing [[EP211]] and noticed that [[Orville]] has his own page, despite having only appeared in one episode to date, and there is no mention that it appeared in the manga or in games. I agree that the the Pokémon character was significant to the plot, however, other significant Pokémon characters that have only appeared in one episode do not have their own pages. I wish for this page to deleted, and relevant information transferred to [[Wilbur]]'s own page, Thoughts? [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 03:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
:It was deemed notable by the former head of anime. While I personally don't think it's notable (as I've stated on its talk page), it is effectively a character of the day.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:07, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
::I'm guessing a general consensus would need to be reached for any changes to occur? Would you discuss it with the other admins to have this change pushed through? [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 05:30, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
:::May I ask what you mean when you say "former head of anime"? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:04, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
::::@Pardescan: I've brought it up with the others.
::::@GrammarFreak: An {{bp|Editorial Board}} member in charge of a specific part of the franchise. In this case, Kenji Girl was the former head of anime.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

== On User:YuYuYuuki ==
Do you think it's possible I could put her in my userspace? Something like User:Dancingbug11/YuYuYuuki. Because I enjoy listing tags (which is the reason I did that page), I was just having fun, and it's sad some of my work got deleted off the wiki. I agree it's strange to have an imaginary friend at this age, but it's how I live. I've got real friends too. [[User:Dancingbug11|I made it drink gasoline.]] ([[User talk:Dancingbug11|talk]]) 16:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

== Perish song ==

All other moves in the "moves that cause the user to faint" category make the user faint whenever they're successful. Perish song does it only if the move is successful AND the user stays in battle for 3 turns. If the category should include moves that can make the user faint under certain conditions, should it include recoil attacks or curse? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:50, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

== links ==

in sections i agree, but in item tables repeated links should be fine. also its been a while but i believe tiddlywinks was also of the same opinion as me. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 08:07, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

New Bark Town

2019-04-21T07:37:33Z

EternalDragonX: Undo revision 2914219 by FinnishPokéFan92 (talk)

{{Town infobox
|name=New Bark Town
|jpname=ワカバタウン
|jptrans=Wakaba Town
|image=New Bark Town HGSS.png
|imageII=New Bark Town GSC.png
|slogan=Winds of a New Beginning
|mapdesc=A town where the wind blows and tells of impending change.
|region=Johto
|generation=2
|east=Route 27
|regioneast=Kanto
|west=Route 29
|regionwest=Johto
|colordark=13644C
|colormed=187D5F
|colorlight=60C0A8
}}

'''New Bark Town''' (Japanese: '''ワカバタウン''' ''Wakaba Town'') is located in southeastern [[Johto]] and is the hometown of the main character in the [[Generation II]] games and [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|their remakes]]. It is home to the lab of [[Professor Elm]], who possesses the starting Pokémon for Johto: {{p|Chikorita}}, {{p|Cyndaquil}}, and {{p|Totodile}}.

Other than being connected to {{rt|29|Johto}} in the west, it is also the town that must be passed through to reach [[Tohjo Falls]], {{ka|Victory Road}}, and [[Indigo Plateau]], via {{rt|26|Kanto}} and {{rt|27|Kanto}}.

==Slogan==
===Generation II===
'''''The Town Where Winds of a New Beginning Blow''''' (Japanese: '''はじまりを　つげる　かぜがふく　まち''' ''The town where winds of a new beginning blow.'')

===Generation IV===
'''''Winds of a New Beginning''''' (Japanese: '''はじまり　つげる　かぜのまち''' ''The town of winds of a new beginning.'')

==Places of interest==
===Player's house===
{{main|Player's house#Johto|Player's house → Johto}}
[[File:Player Bedroom HGSS.png|left|thumb|200px|The player begins the game in the bedroom]]
In [[Generation]]s {{Gen|II}} and {{Gen|IV}}, this house is where the {{player}} lives before beginning their journey. The {{jo|Mom|player's mother}} lives here, and after the player has left town for the first time, she will save money if the player wishes and occasionally buys decorations for the bedroom, or items such as {{DL|Potion|Super Potion}}s.

The player's bedroom is a bit fancier than {{ga|Red}}'s bedroom in {{3v2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}. In Generation II, unlike Red's room, it can also be customized to include several [[Pokémon doll]]s, as well as [[bed]]s, [[game system]]s, and [[carpet]]s. The [[Town Map]] hanging on the wall can also be replaced with one of several [[poster]]s of different Pokémon. However, in Generation IV, this feature is not included.

The player starts the game in their bedroom, in front of their PC and radio. The PC in the top-left corner of the room in Generation II has a few important purposes, but unlike in the Generation I bedroom's computer, it does not contain an item. In Generation IV, the PC is restricted to viewing the player's [[mail]], and the mailbox in the beginning of the game contains a single letter composed by {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} (if the player is a boy/girl, respectively), with the following text signed with said person's name and with a {{p|Marill}} icon in the blue stamp box:

:{|
|<ab>ADVENTURE!
EXCITED!

I love POKéMON!</ab>
|}

{{-}}
===Professor Elm's lab===
[[File:Elms lab 1F HGSS.png|thumb|200px|left|Inside Professor Elm's laboratory]]
[[File:Elms lab 2F HGSS.png|thumb|200px|Inside the upstairs living area of Professor Elm's laboratory]]
Professor Elm's laboratory lies right next to the western entrance into New Bark Town. Professor Elm works at his laboratory with his aide, usually doing experiments concerning [[Pokémon Egg]]s and {{pkmn|breeding}}. Here, [[Pokémon Trainer]]s just beginning their quest are given the choice to receive either a {{p|Chikorita}}, a {{p|Cyndaquil}}, or a {{p|Totodile}} from [[Professor Elm]].

Inside is one aide of Professor Elm's, a couple of shelves full of books, a table with three [[Poké Ball]]s (a capsule in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}), a computer, and a few tips for the player. There is also a machine here that has the ability to fully rest/restore all of the player's Pokémon, just like a [[Pokémon Center]]. In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Elm's Aide gives the player five {{DL|Potion|Potion}}s when leaving the lab for the first time.

At the beginning of the game, a {{ga|Silver|red-haired young man}} can be seen looking through the window into the lab. If spoken to, he will kick people out of his way, and then continue to spy upon the lab.

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Professor Elm's lab has an upstairs living area. His house from {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} has now become the home of {{ga|Lyra}} or {{ga|Ethan}}.
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===Friend's house===
In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, {{ga|Ethan}} or {{ga|Lyra}} lives in the house below the {{player}}'s house. In {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, it was actually Professor Elm's original home.

==Demographics==
===Generation II===
New Bark Town has a population of 10, excluding the player character's rival {{ga|Silver}}.

===Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver===
New Bark Town's population is 11, assuming Silver is not from the town. This makes it the least populated town in Johto. However, it is the first starting Town to break the tradition by being over 10. This low number is likely due to its lack of amenities like a Gym or Pokémon Center, and its isolation from the rest of [[Johto]].

==Items==
{{Itlisth|road}}
{{Itemlist|Pokégear|Given by {{jo|Mom}} at the start of the game|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|sprite=Pokégear Icon}}
{{Itemlist|None|Held by the {{player}}'s [[starter Pokémon]]|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display={{OBP|Berry|item}}}}
{{Itemlist|Potion|Gift from [[Professor Elm]]'s [[Professors' aides|aide]] after getting a [[starter Pokémon]]|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Potion|
* Gift from [[Professor Elm]]'s [[Professors' aides|aide]] after getting a [[starter Pokémon]] (×5)
* Where {{ga|Silver}} was standing ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Potion]] ×6}}
{{Itemlist|Pokégear|Given by {{jo|Mom}} after getting a [[starter Pokémon]]|HG=yes|SS=yes|sprite=Pokégear Icon}}
{{Itemlist|Poké Ball|Gift from [[Professor Elm]]'s [[Professors' aides|aide]] after defeating {{ga|Silver}} in {{city|Cherrygrove}}|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display={{ball|Poké}} ×5}}
{{Itemlist|Everstone|Gift from [[Professor Elm]] after hatching the [[Mystery Egg]]|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Master Ball|Gift from [[Professor Elm]] after earning the eight [[Johto]] [[Badge]]s|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|S.S. Ticket|Gift from [[Professor Elm]] after entering the [[Hall of Fame]]|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|road}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation II===
{{Catch/header|road|4}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Surf|15-24|all=90%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|yes|Surf|20-24|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=15%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=85%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=35%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|090|Shellder|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=35%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|170|Chinchou|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=20%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{Catch/entry2|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=20%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|090|Shellder|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|170|Chinchou|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=40%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{Catch/entry2|171|Lanturn|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{Catch/div|road|Gift Pokémon}}
{{Catch/entry2|152|Chikorita|yes|yes|yes|Starter|5|all=One|type1=Grass}}
{{Catch/entry2|155|Cyndaquil|yes|yes|yes|Starter|5|all=One|type1=Fire}}
{{Catch/entry2|158|Totodile|yes|yes|yes|Starter|5|all=One|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/footer|road}}

===Generation IV===
{{Catch/header|road|4}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entryhs|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Surf|10-25|all=90%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryhs|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|Surf|15-25|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entryhs|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=5%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=95%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=30%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryhs|090|Shellder|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=3%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|170|Chinchou|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=7%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{Catch/entryhs|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=7%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryhs|090|Shellder|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|170|Chinchou|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=60%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{Catch/entryhs|171|Lanturn|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=3%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{Catch/div|road|Headbutt}}
{{Catch/entryhs|102|Exeggcute|yes|yes|Headbutt|2-3|all=20%|type1=Grass|type2=Psychic|10=j}}
{{Catch/entryhs|163|Hoothoot|yes|yes|Headbutt|2-3|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying|10=j}}
{{Catch/entryhs|204|Pineco|yes|yes|Headbutt|2-3|all=30%|type1=Bug|10=j}}
{{Catch/div|road|Headbutt}}
{{Catch/entryhs|102|Exeggcute|yes|yes|Headbutt|4-5|all=20%|type1=Grass|type2=Psychic|10=j}}
{{Catch/entryhs|163|Hoothoot|yes|yes|Headbutt|4-5|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying|10=j}}
{{Catch/entryhs|165|Ledyba|no|yes|Headbutt|4-5|all=30%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying|10=j}}
{{Catch/entryhs|167|Spinarak|yes|no|Headbutt|4-5|all=30%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison|10=j}}
{{Catch/div|road|Gift Pokémon}}
{{Catch/entryhs|152|Chikorita|yes|yes|Starter|5|all=One|type1=Grass}}
{{Catch/entryhs|155|Cyndaquil|yes|yes|Starter|5|all=One|type1=Fire}}
{{Catch/entryhs|158|Totodile|yes|yes|Starter|5|all=One|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/footer|road}}

==Walking Pokémon effects==
When interacting with [[walking Pokémon]] in {{v2|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, the Pokémon may occasionally show an altered mood specific to this location.
*The walking Pokémon stretches out its body and relaxes when in this town, causing it to become happy. It also feels nice and sleepy and may doze off.
*Outdoors: The walking Pokémon feels a breeze and stares intently at the sky. It can be surprised by a flower petal or leaf on its face, and sometimes sneezes.
*Player's house: Standing near the player's mom, the walking Pokémon greets her and shows concern for her.
*Player's bedroom: The walking Pokémon sings happily.
*Friend's bedroom: The walking Pokémon wants to play with {{p|Marill}}, even if Marill is not in the room.
*[[Professor Elm]]'s lab: The walking Pokémon fidgets in front of everyone and stares intently at the player's face.

==In the anime==
[[File:New Bark Town anime.png|thumb|250px|New Bark Town in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
New Bark Town debuted in ''[[EP117|Don't Touch That 'Dile]]'', where {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} visited the laboratory of [[Johto]]'s leading {{pkmn|Professor|Pokémon expert}}, [[Professor Elm]]. The group also helped get Professor Elm's {{p|Totodile}} back from {{TRT}}, who had tried to steal it. After Ash had registered for the [[Johto League]], the group headed for [[Violet City]] for Ash's first [[Johto]] [[Gym]] {{pkmn|battle}}.

New Bark Town reappeared in ''[[EP258|Hatch Me If You Can]]'', where [[Delia]] and {{an|Professor Oak}} boarded a ship and met up with Professor Elm at the town's port. Ash and his friends later returned to the town after Ash had earned all eight Johto [[Badge]]s, allowing him to register for the [[Silver Conference]]. Afterwards, they headed for [[Mt. Silver]] to return the newly hatched {{AP|Larvitar}} to its home before the Silver Conference.

In the anime, New Bark Town is the [[hometown]] of {{jo|Jimmy}}, [[Vincent]], {{an|Casey}}, {{an|Lyra}}, and [[Top Coordinator]] {{jo|Marina}}.

====Gallery====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #187D5F; {{roundy}}; border: 3px solid #13644C"
|- style="background:#60C0A8"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Center}}
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Professor Elm|Professor Elm's Lab}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:New Bark Town Pokemon Center.png|x150px]]
| [[File:Professor Elm's Laboratory anime.png|x150px]]
|}

==In the manga==
[[File:New Bark Town PM.png|thumb|New Bark Town in Pokémon Pocket Monsters]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
New Bark Town is shown to be quite a bit larger in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] {{pkmn|manga}}, including amenities such as a general hospital. It is the hometown of {{adv|Gold}}. Being a resident of the "Poké House", Gold has local fame in the area even before he became a [[Pokédex holder]].

===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===
New Bark Town appeared in ''[[PM062|Welcome Back, Clefairy!!]]''.
{{sectionstub}}

==Trivia==
[[File:HGSS Prerelease New Bark Town.png|thumb|200px|right|First screenshot of {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}]]
* Despite appearing to be farther away from the [[Johto]]-[[Kanto]] border on the [[Pokégear]]'s map, the {{player}}'s house is 7 steps from the border with {{rt|27|Kanto}}, 10 steps closer than the [[Pokémon Center]] at [[Mt. Silver]] is to {{rt|28|Kanto}}, thus making it the closest {{m|Fly}} destination to the border.
* Out of all towns where the player starts, it is the only one to not have a connecting route to the north, but instead to the east and west.
** It is also the only starting town that the player must pass through again after gaining their eighth [[Badge]] on the way to [[Indigo Plateau|Pokémon League]].
* The name of this town started the running theme in which the player's starting town is named after a plant.
* In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, at some point during the player's journey, the starter Pokémon in Elm's lab that wasn't chosen by the player or stolen by the rival disappears without explanation, although it is hinted to have been given to someone else.
* In the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta|demo]] of {{game|Gold and Silver|s|Pocket Monsters 2}} showed off at {{wp|Nintendo Space World}} in 1997, the initial town was not New Bark Town but rather a different town named ''Silent Hills'' (サイレントヒルズ), which may have actually been a prototype design of New Bark Town. The town had a drastically different design, but may have been overhauled during the transition from the [[Game Boy]] to the [[Game Boy Color]]. Due to the first installment of the {{wp|Silent Hill}} horror game series being released about eight months prior to the actual Japanese release of Gold and Silver, in early 1999, it may have possibly led to the rename as ''Wakaba Town'' (ワカバタウン).

===Name origin===
{| class="roundy" style="background: #187D5F; border: 3px solid #13644C"
|-
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| ワカバタウン ''Wakaba Town''
| From 若葉 ''wakaba'', "new leaves" or "fresh verdure"
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English
| New Bark Town
| Literally ''new bark''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| French
| Bourg Geon
| From ''bourgeon'', {{wp|bud}}. ''Geon'' is similar to ''jeune'', young
|- style="background:#FFF"
| German
| Neuborkia
| From ''neu'' (new) and ''Borke'' (bark)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Borgo Foglianova
| Old-fashion form for ''foglia nuova'', new leaf
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Pueblo Primavera Ciudad New Bark{{tt|*|Latin American dub}}
| From ''primavera'', spring
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 연두마을 ''Yeondu Maeul''
| 연두 ''yeondu'' means {{wp|chartreuse}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 若葉鎮／若叶镇 ''Ruòyè Zhèn''
| From its Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 若葉鎮 ''Yeukyip Jan''
| From Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Norwegian
| New Bark by
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Polish
| Miasto New Bark{{tt|*|EP117, EP255-EP269}} New Bark{{tt|*|EP123, EP255-EP256, EP258}} Miasto Bark{{tt|*|EP118, EP255}} New Bark Town{{tt|*|EP116-EP118}}
| From its English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Brazilian Portuguese
| Cidade de New Bark
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Swedish
| New Bark staden
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Vietnamese
| Thị trấn Wakaba
| Same as Japanese name
|}

{{Johto}}
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{{Project Cities and Towns notice}}

[[Category:Johto locations]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Hometowns]]

[[de:Neuborkia]]
[[es:Pueblo Primavera]]
[[fr:Bourg Geon]]
[[it:Borgo Foglianova]]
[[ja:ワカバタウン]]
[[zh:若叶镇]]

User:EternalDragonX

2019-04-10T23:46:05Z

EternalDragonX: Created page with "hehe xd"

hehe xd

Talk:Goldenrod Tunnel

2019-03-30T22:13:52Z

EternalDragonX: /* Pokemaniac Isaac */

I dont know where to put it, so i'll say it here. Feraligatr's got water gun, of that i'm sure. I dont know about other moves though --[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 21:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

== Anime info ==

... missing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:39, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Was it really even... in the anime? They spent like 5 years in Ilex Forest, then a day in Goldenrod before FILLER HELL came back. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::There's an image... on the bottom of the article... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 05:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::It wasn't in the anime. It was just shown briefly. Whitney was using it as a shortcut through the city. They crossed it multiple times, but it wasn't fully shown. Altogether, they hardly spent a minute in there. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:06, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks. I was just wondering since it seemed really random that the image would be there if it wasn't shown per se. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:52, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::No problem :]. I was the one that added that image. I didn't add an 'In the anime' section because I didn't think it needed one, since they spent probably 15 seconds in there, lol. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 01:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

== Pre-HGSS name ==

We have two of them. I haven't played GSC, but what was it called then? Or was it not called anything and just considered to be [[Goldenrod City]]? Or was it named in the anime in the short time it appeared? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:In G/S/C, it does not shows up like eg. Route 1 or Goldenrod City, but there is sign behind it saying UNDERGROUND ENTRANCE. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9rwEenFHrk Here]'s video. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 17:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemaniac Isaac ==

Noticed you had his named spelled as Pokemaniac Isaac for Gold/Silver/Crystal, but Issac for the Heartgold/Soulsilver remakes. I'm new here, so I don't feel comfortable editing pages yet, and I don't know where else to put this - but I happen to know for a fact that his name was spelled Issac in the original Gold/Silver/Crystal as well. I spotted the weird spelling when replaying Crystal. If I knew how, I'd provide a screenshot from my game, but like I said - just got here - so hoping maybe if I point it out someone else will feel comfortable confirming and fixing that. Thanks.

Rissa[[User:Shadow-Cipher|Shadow-Cipher]] ([[User talk:Shadow-Cipher|talk]]) 19:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

:yeah, you're right: https://youtu.be/Sxe_MFuwF0o?t=493 --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 22:13, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Goldenrod Tunnel

2019-03-30T22:13:23Z

EternalDragonX: /* B1F */

{{search|location known as "the Underground" in [[Generation II]]|the Underground in [[Sinnoh]]|The Underground}}
{{Infobox location
|image=Goldenrod Tunnel HGSS.png
|type=road
|location_name=Goldenrod Tunnel
|other_info=The Underground
|japanese_name=コガネちかつうろ
|translated_name=Kogane Tunnel
|location=Downtown [[Goldenrod City]]
|region=Johto
|map=Johto Goldenrod City Map.png
|generation={{gen|II}}, {{gen|IV}}
}}

The '''Goldenrod Tunnel''' (Japanese: '''コガネちかつうろ''' ''Kogane Tunnel''), known as '''the Underground''' (Japanese: '''ちかつうろ''' ''Underground Path'') in [[Generation II]], is a shopping district stretching below [[Goldenrod City]]. The shops that are open in the Tunnel depend on the [[days of the week]] and, in some cases, the [[time]] of day.

==Signs==
{|
! Generation II || Generation IV
|-
|
{{sign|RBY|header}}
{{sign|RBY|UNDERGROUND}}
{{sign|RBY|ENTRANCE}}
{{sign|RBY|footer}}
|
;<center>Northern entrance</center>
{{sign|DPcity|header}}
{{sign|DPcity|Watch Out!}}
{{sign|DPcity|Get Off Your Bike in the Tunnel}}
{{sign|DPcity|footer}}
;<center>Southern entrance</center>
{{sign|DPcity|header}}
{{sign|DPcity|Be Careful!}}
{{sign|DPcity|Get Off Your Bike in the Tunnel}}
{{sign|DPcity|footer}}
|}

==Places of interest==
===Shops===
Goldenrod Tunnel contains a [[Haircut brothers|barber shop]], a Bargain Shop that sells [[valuable item]]s, and an [[Herb Shop]]. Each shop has set hours of operation and all three are never open at the same time.

{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; border: 3px solid #{{johto color}}; background: #{{johto color light}}"
|-
! style="{{roundytl|5px}} background: #{{soulsilver color}}" | Day
! style="background: #{{soulsilver color}}" | Pokémon Salon
! style="background: #{{soulsilver color}}" | Bargain shop
! style="{{roundytr|5px}} background: #{{soulsilver color}}" | Herb shop
|- style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 0|{{heartgold color}}|FFF}}"
| {{DL|Days of the week|Sunday}} || Younger brother || — || Open
|- style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 1|{{#switch: {{#time: G}}|4|5|6|7|8|9={{heartgold color}}|C0C0C0}}|FFF}}"
| {{DL|Days of the week|Monday}} || — || Open [[Time|morning]]s || —
|- style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 2|{{heartgold color}}|FFF}}"
| {{DL|Days of the week|Tuesday}} || Older brother || — || —
|- style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 3|{{heartgold color}}|FFF}}"
| {{DL|Days of the week|Wednesday}} || Younger brother || — || —
|- style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 4|{{heartgold color}}|FFF}}"
| {{DL|Days of the week|Thursday}} || Older brother || — || —
|- style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 5|{{heartgold color}}|FFF}}"
| {{DL|Days of the week|Friday}} || Younger brother || — || —
|-
| style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 6|{{heartgold color}}|FFF}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{DL|Days of the week|Saturday}}
| style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 6|{{heartgold color}}|FFF}}" | Older brother
| style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 6|{{heartgold color}}|FFF}}" | —
| style="background:#{{#ifexpr: {{#time: w}} = 6|{{heartgold color}}|FFF}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Open
|}{{-}}

====Pokémon Salon====
{{main|Haircut brothers}}
Once a day when the shop is open, the player may have one of the brothers give a Pokémon a haircut. This increases the Pokémon's [[friendship]]. In HeartGold and SoulSilver, it also raises the Pokémon's {{OBP|Beauty|condition}} stat.

The younger of the Haircut brothers is cheaper at {{PDollar}}300, but his service is often less satisfactory. However, the younger brother has a chance of occasionally increasing a Pokémon's friendship to a greater degree than the older brother is capable of. The older brother is more reliable but more expensive at {{PDollar}}500.

====Bargain shop====
On [[Days of the week|Monday]] [[Time|mornings]], a man sells a set of valuable items for a discount. Each item can only be purchased once per week. The man can still sell his items on other mornings provided the player has saved in front of him and does not walk away and remove him from the screen. The prices here are approximately 10% cheaper than the items' normal sell prices.

{{shop|Bargain shop}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Nugget|4500}}|{{shopitem|Pearl (item)|5=Pearl|display=Pearl|650}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Big Pearl|3500}}|{{shopitem|Stardust|900}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Star Piece|4600}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

====Herb shop====
{{shop|Generation II}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Energy Powder|500|display=EnergyPowder}}|{{shopitem|Energy Root|800}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Heal Powder|450}}|{{shopitem|Revival Herb|2800}}}}
{{shopfooter|multiple=yes}}
{{shop|Generation IV}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Heal Powder|450}}|{{shopitem|Energy Powder|500|display=EnergyPowder}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Energy Root|800}}|{{shopitem|Revival Herb|2800}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

===Goldenrod Department Store basement===
The [[Goldenrod Department Store]]'s basement opens up onto the Goldenrod Tunnel. Although the basement is accessible from the main store right from the start, the back entrance is initially occupied by [[Team Rocket]] and cannot be accessed until later. [[Petrel]] hides the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] Director here while he impersonates him but will give the player the [[Basement Key]] upon being defeated. Inside, there are {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}s and {{ga|Silver}} to {{pkmn|battle}} and a series of switches to turn ON/OFF in order to navigate through the basement completely.

Some rare [[item]]s can be found in this section of the Department Store's basement.

===Photo booth===
In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, there is a photo booth at the northern end of the Tunnel. {{pkmn|Trainer}}s can dress up and [[Photography|photograph]] their own {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} using [[Accessory|Accessories]], and a man offers to take photographs of Trainers with their on-hand party. This photo opportunity is unique, as {{player}}s can wear themselves a {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} costume.

During [[Team Rocket]]'s invasion of the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]], the player must wear this uniform as a disguise to enter the Radio Tower. They will not {{pkmn|battle}} in this costume nor can they (legitimately) leave [[Goldenrod City]] while wearing it.

===Photo gallery===
The saved photo of a dressed-up {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} from the photo booth is displayed in the photo gallery. In addition, photos from up to ten {{player}}s that have [[Record mixing|mixed records]] with will also have their photos displayed here.

A {{tc|Hiker}} appears in the photo gallery who runs an [[Accessory]] drawing. The player can apply for {{PDollar}}100, having the chance to win a random Accessory.

==Items==
{{Itlisth|road}}
{{Itemlist|Fashion Case|Entrance (either); from {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} upon entering for the first time|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Coin Case|B1F; south of the three shops|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Paralyze Heal|B1F; space between top two shops ''(hidden)''|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display=[[Paralyze Heal|Parlyz Heal]]}}
{{Itemlist|Super Potion|B1F; middle of the floor between bottom two shops ''(hidden)''|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Antidote|B1F; near the basement door ''(hidden)''|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|B2F; northeastern part|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Smoke Ball|B2F; southwestern corner of the door maze (reached by activating/deactivating switches in order 1-3-2-1-3) |G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|B2F; northwestern part of the door maze (in the same room as Switch 3) ''(hidden)''|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|B2F; in the middle of the door maze ''(hidden)''|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Coin Case|B2F; south part (Japanese versions only)|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|Warehouse; west part|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|Warehouse; southeastern corner|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|Warehouse; in the middle of the mostly empty hallway ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|Warehouse; in the center of four boxes that are in a C-shape ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|Warehouse; next to the [[Radio Director]]|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display={{TM|35|Sleep Talk}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|Warehouse; next to the Radio Director|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|82|Sleep Talk}}}}
{{Itemlist|Card Key|Warehouse; from the Radio Director|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|road}}

==Trainers==
===Generation II===
====B1F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS PokéManiac.png|PokéManiac|Donald|600|2|079|Slowpoke||10|None|079|Slowpoke||10|None|36=ヒロアキ|37=Hiroaki}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Super Nerd.png|Super Nerd|Teru|288|4|081|Magnemite||7|None|100|Voltorb||11|None|081|Magnemite||7|None|081|Magnemite||9|None|36=テルキ|37=Teruki}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS PokéManiac.png|PokéManiac|Issac|720|1|108|Lickitung|♂|12|None|36=マサシ|37=Masashi}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Super Nerd.png|Super Nerd|Eric|352|2|088|Grimer|♂|11|None|088|Grimer|♂|11|None|36=カズヒト|37=Kazuhito}}
{{trainerfooter|road|2}}

====B2F====
{{MSP|152|Chikorita}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chikorita}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|sprite=Spr GS Silver 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}1920
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=GSC
|location=Goldenrod Tunnel
|locationname=Goldenrod Underground
|pokemon=5}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|move1=Wing Attack|move1type=Flying
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark
|move4=Leech Life|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=28
|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Tackle|move3type=Normal
|move4=ThunderShock|move4type=Electric}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Lick|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Curse|move3type=???
|move4=Mean Look|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=215
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Screech|move4type=Normal}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=156
|pokemon=Quilava
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire
|move2=SmokeScreen|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Flame Wheel|move4type=Fire}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|155|Cyndaquil}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Cyndaquil}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|sprite=Spr GS Silver 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}1920
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=GSC
|location=Goldenrod Tunnel
|locationname=Goldenrod Underground
|pokemon=5}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|move1=Wing Attack|move1type=Flying
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark
|move4=Leech Life|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=28
|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Tackle|move3type=Normal
|move4=ThunderShock|move4type=Electric}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Lick|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Curse|move3type=???
|move4=Mean Look|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=215
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Screech|move4type=Normal}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=160
|pokemon=Feraligatr
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Water
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark
|move2=Scary Face|move2type=Normal
|move3=Rage|move3type=Normal
|move4=Water Gun|move4type=Water}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|158|Totodile}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Totodile}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|sprite=Spr GS Silver 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}1920
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=GSC
|location=Goldenrod Tunnel
|locationname=Goldenrod Underground
|pokemon=5}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Poison
|type2=Flying
|move1=Wing Attack|move1type=Flying
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark
|move4=Leech Life|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=28
|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Tackle|move3type=Normal
|move4=ThunderShock|move4type=Electric}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Lick|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Curse|move3type=???
|move4=Mean Look|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=215
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Screech|move4type=Normal}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=154
|pokemon=Meganium
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Grass
|move1=PoisonPowder|move1type=Poison
|move2=Razor Leaf|move2type=Grass
|move3=Body Slam|move3type=Normal
|move4=Reflect|move4type=Psychic}}
{{Party/Footer}}
{{-}}
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Rocket Grunt M.png|Rocket Grunt||1080|1|019|Rattata|♂|27|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Rocket Grunt M.png|Rocket Grunt||1000|3|089|Muk|♂|23|None|109|Koffing|♂|23|None|019|Rattata|♂|25|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Rocket Grunt M.png|Rocket Grunt||960|2|109|Koffing|♂|24|None|089|Muk|♂|24|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Burglar.png|Burglar|Eddie|2112|2|058|Growlithe|♂|26|None|109|Koffing|♂|24|None|36=ノリオ|37=Norio}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Burglar.png|Burglar|Duncan|2024|3|109|Koffing|♂|23|None|126|Magmar|♂|25|None|109|Koffing|♂|23|None|36=ヤスジ|37=Yasuji}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Rocket Grunt F.png|Rocket Grunt||1000|2|044|Gloom|♀|25|None|044|Gloom|♀|25|None}}
{{trainerfooter|road|2}}

====Warehouse====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Rocket Grunt M.png|Rocket Grunt||960|2|020|Raticate|♂|24|None|042|Golbat|♂|24|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Rocket Grunt M.png|Rocket Grunt||920|2|088|Grimer|♂|26|None|110|Weezing|♂|23|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Rocket Grunt M.png|Rocket Grunt||1000|2|109|Koffing|♂|25|None|109|Koffing|♂|25|None}}
{{trainerfooter|road|2}}

===Generation IV===
====B1F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Poké Maniac.png|PokéManiac|Donald|704|2|079|Slowpoke|♂|11|None|079|Slowpoke|♂|11|None|36=ヒロアキ|37=Hiroaki}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Super Nerd.png|Super Nerd|Teru|432|4|081|Magnemite||7|None|081|Magnemite||7|None|081|Magnemite||9|None|100|Voltorb||11|None|36=テルキ|37=Teruki}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Poké Maniac.png|PokéManiac|Issac|768|1|108|Lickitung|♂|12|None|36=マサシ|37=Masashi}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Super Nerd.png|Super Nerd|Eric|528|2|088|Grimer|♂|11|None|088|Grimer|♂|11|None|36=カズヒト|37=Kazuhito}}
{{trainerfooter|road|2}}

====B2F====
{{MSP|152|Chikorita}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chikorita}}:
{{party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|sprite=Spr HGSS Silver.png
|prize={{pdollar}}2176
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=HGSS
|location=Goldenrod Tunnel
|pokemon=5}}
|{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=042 m
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Air Cutter|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Astonish|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=30
|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|ability=Magnet Pull
|move1=Thunder Wave|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Status
|move2=Spark|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=SonicBoom|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|ability=Levitate
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Mean Look|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Curse|move4type=???|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=215 m
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Icy Wind|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Fury Swipes|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=156
|pokemon=Quilava
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|move1=SmokeScreen|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Swift|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flame Wheel|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|155|Cyndaquil}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Cyndaquil}}:
{{party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|sprite=Spr HGSS Silver.png
|prize={{pdollar}}2048
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=HGSS
|location=Goldenrod Tunnel
|pokemon=5}}
|{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=042 m
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Air Cutter|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Astonish|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=28
|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|ability=Magnet Pull
|move1=Thunder Wave|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Status
|move2=Spark|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=SonicBoom|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|ability=Levitate
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Mean Look|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Curse|move4type=???|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=215 m
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Icy Wind|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Fury Swipes|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=160
|pokemon=Feraligatr
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|move1=Water Gun|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Ice Fang|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Thrash|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|158|Totodile}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Totodile}}:
{{party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|sprite=Spr HGSS Silver.png
|prize={{pdollar}}2176
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=HGSS
|location=Goldenrod Tunnel
|pokemon=5}}
|{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=042 m
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Air Cutter|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Astonish|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=081
|pokemon=Magnemite
|level=30
|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|ability=Magnet Pull
|move1=Thunder Wave|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Status
|move2=Spark|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=SonicBoom|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=32
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|ability=Levitate
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Special
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Mean Look|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Curse|move4type=???|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=215 m
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Icy Wind|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Special
|move4=Fury Swipes|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=154 m
|pokemon=Meganium
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Reflect|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Petal Dance|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special
|move3=PoisonPowder|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Status
|move4=Synthesis|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}
{{-}}
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Rocket Grunt M.png|Team Rocket Grunt||1080|1|019|Rattata|♂|27|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Rocket Grunt M.png|Team Rocket Grunt||1000|3|089|Muk|♂|23|None|109|Koffing|♂|23|None|019|Rattata|♂|25|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Burglar.png|Burglar|Duncan|2024|3|109|Koffing|♂|23|None|109|Koffing|♂|23|None|126|Magmar|♂|25|None|36=ヤスジ|37=Yasuji}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Burglar.png|Burglar|Orson|2110|2|058|Growlithe|♂|26|None|109|Koffing|♂|24|None|36=ゴロゾー|37=Gorozō}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Rocket Grunt M.png|Team Rocket Grunt||960|2|109|Koffing|♂|24|None|089|Muk|♂|24|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Rocket Grunt F.png|Team Rocket Grunt||1000|2|044|Gloom|♀|25|None|044|Gloom|♀|25|None}}
{{trainerfooter|road|2}}

====Warehouse====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Rocket Grunt M.png|Team Rocket Grunt||960|2|020|Raticate|♂|24|None|042|Golbat|♂|24|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Rocket Grunt M.png|Team Rocket Grunt||920|2|088|Grimer|♂|26|None|110|Weezing|♂|23|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Rocket Grunt M.png|Team Rocket Grunt||1000|2|109|Koffing|♂|25|None|109|Koffing|♂|25|None}}
{{trainerfooter|road|2}}

==Layout==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|road}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|road}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|road}}" | B1F
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|road}}" | B2F
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|road}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Warehouse
|-
! style="background:#{{gold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold}}
| rowspan="3" | [[File:The Underground GSC.png|120px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:The Underground Basement GSC.png|150px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Underground Warehouse GSC.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{silver color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Silver}}
|-
! style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
|-
! style="background:#{{heartgold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Goldenrod Tunnel HGSS.png|120px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Goldenrod Tunnel Basement HGSS.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Underground Warehouse HGSS.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{soulsilver color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SoulSilver}}
|-
| colspan=4 style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|road}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

==Walking Pokémon effects==
{{incomplete|section|needs=Verification and whether there are any missing}}
When interacting with [[walking Pokémon]] in {{v2|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, the Pokémon may occasionally show an altered mood specific to this location.
*The walking Pokémon pokes at garbage.

==In the anime==
[[File:Underground Path anime.png|thumb|250px|The Underground Path in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
The Underground Path appeared in ''[[EP158|A Goldenrod Opportunity]]'', where {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} explored it along with [[Whitney]]. She took them through the shopping plaza as an attempted shortcut to the Goldenrod Galleria, but got them lost several times along the way.

In the anime, the Underground Path is portrayed as much larger than it is in the games, but staples from them still appear, including both [[Haircut brothers]].
{{-}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Goldenrod Tunnel PM.png|thumb|Goldenrod Tunnel in Pokémon Pocket Monsters]]
===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===
The Goldenrod Tunnel appeared in ''[[PM082|Don't Accuse Me]]''.
{{sectionstub}}
{{-}}

==In other languages==
{{incomplete|section|Check languages for differences between Generations II and IV}}
{{Langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|road}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|road}}
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满金地道 ''Mǎnjīn Dìdào''{{tt|*|Games (leftover data), Simplified Chinese}}
|fr=Souterrain de Doublonville{{sup/2|GSC}} Doublon-Tunnel{{sup/4|HGSS}}
|de=Dukatia-Passage
|it=Sotterranei di Fiordoropoli{{sup/2|GSC}} Fiortunnel{{sup/4|HGSS}}
|ko=금빛지하통로 ''Geumbit Jihatongno''
|pl=Metro Goldenrod
|es=Túnel Trigal}}
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{{Johto}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Johto locations]]
[[Category:Routes]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations]]
[[Category:Paths]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]

[[de:Dukatia-Passage]]
[[es:Túnel Trigal]]
[[fr:Doublon-Tunnel]]
[[it:Fiortunnel]]
[[ja:ちかつうろ (コガネシティ)]]
[[zh:满金地道]]

Ethan (game)

2019-01-28T19:26:48Z

EternalDragonX: /* In the main series */

{{Redirect|Hibiki|the [[character of the day]] in [[EP169|Beauty and the Breeder]]|Zane}}
{{Redirect|Gold (game)|the game titled "Pokémon Gold Version"|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions}}
{{Search|male protagonist whose default name is {{j|クリス}} in the Japanese version of {{game|Crystal}}|the female player character in {{game|Crystal}} with the same Japanese name|Kris (game)}}

{{CharInfobox|
color={{gold color}} |
corecolor={{gold color light}} |
bordercolor={{gold color dark}} |
name=Ethan |
jname=ヒビキ |
tmname=Hibiki |
slogan=no |
image=HeartGold SoulSilver Ethan.png |
size=200px |
caption=Art from {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} |
gender=Male |
height-ftin=4'11"|
colors=yes |
eyes=Gray |
hair=Black |
hometown=[[New Bark Town]] |
region=[[Johto]] |
relatives={{jo|Mom}} (as player) [[Day-Care Couple|Grandparents]], unnamed father (as NPC)|
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Trainer]], [[Player character]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|II}}, {{gen|IV}} |
games=[[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]] |
leader=no |
anime=yes |
anime=counterpart |
animecounterpart={{jo|Jimmy}}, Ethan ([[M13]])|
epnum=The Legend of Thunder! |
epname=The Legend of Thunder! |
envagame=[[Sean Schemmel]] |
javagame=[[Kenji Nojima]] |
gameanim=yes |
pv=yes |
Pvnum=PG04 |
pvname=The Lake of Rage |
manga=counterpart |
mangacounterpart={{adv|Gold}}, {{OBP|Gold|Pocket Monsters}}, {{OBP|Gold|Golden Boys}}, [[Jō]], [[Takashi]] |
roundnum=PS091 |
roundname=Murkrow Row
}}

'''Ethan''' (Japanese: '''{{j|ヒビキ}}''' ''Hibiki'') is the main {{player|playable character}} in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} and is the male choice in {{game|Crystal}}, {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}. In Crystal, his female counterpart is {{ga|Kris}}, while in HeartGold and SoulSilver, his female counterpart is {{ga|Lyra}}.

==Storyline in the games==
===When selected as the player character===
Ethan's journey as a {{pkmn|Trainer}} begins when [[Professor Elm]] asks him to run an errand for [[Mr. Pokémon]], who lives north of [[Cherrygrove City]] on {{rt|30|Johto}}. Because he may encounter dangerous [[wild Pokémon]] along the way, Elm gives him a choice between three Pokémon to protect him: {{p|Cyndaquil}}, {{p|Totodile}} or {{p|Chikorita}}.

Ethan spots another boy his age watching Elm's Lab from outside. When Ethan tries to talk to him, the boy abruptly shoves him away. This boy, {{ga|Silver}}, will become Ethan's rival.

Ethan continues onward and finally meets Mr. Pokémon and completes his errand. While there he meets [[Professor Oak]] who, upon realizing Ethan's bond with his new Pokémon, gives him a [[Pokédex]]. On his way back home, Ethan again meets Silver, who has stolen one of Elm's remaining Pokémon. After defeating the boy in battle, the boy tells Ethan his name{{sup/2|GSC}}/Ethan learns the boy's name from his dropped {{ga|Trainer Card}}{{sup/4|HGSS}}, and Ethan relays it to the police in New Bark Town. Professor Elm allows Ethan to keep the Pokémon he chose earlier, and also encourages him to compete in the [[Johto League]].

Ethan begins on a Pokémon journey in the [[Johto]] [[region]], facing off against its eight [[Gym Leader]]s, defeating and disbanding the revived [[Team Rocket]], and becoming [[Pokémon Champion|Pokémon League Champion]] by defeating the [[Elite Four]] and its previous Champion, [[Lance]] at [[Indigo Plateau]]. Along the way he also teaches Silver to respect Pokémon as living creatures and not just as tools for battle.

After being declared the Pokémon League Champion, Ethan then journeys by [[S.S. Aqua|ship]] from [[Olivine City]] to [[Vermilion City]] in [[Kanto]]. Traveling around that region, he battles against another set of eight Gym Leaders. Upon getting permission from [[Professor Oak]] in [[Pallet Town]], Ethan heads for [[Mt. Silver]] via {{rt|28|Kanto}}. His journey comes to a close when, deep in Mt. Silver's cave, he faces the Champion from Pallet Town, Pokémon Trainer {{ga|Red}}, who had been training there since shortly after he became Pokémon League Champion [[Generation I|three]] [[Generation III|years prior]].

===When not selected as the player character===
In {{game|Crystal}}, if {{ga|Kris}} is selected, then the male player character will not appear in the game at all (although his sprite will be used in a link battle with another game from Generation II as well as opponents in [[Viridian City]]'s [[Trainer House]]).

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, if {{ga|Lyra}} is selected to be the player character, Ethan meets her in [[New Bark Town]] at the start of the game. In this particular scene, he is seen with a {{p|Marill}}. He will always have Marill even if another [[starter Pokémon]] is selected. In addition, he doesn't appear to take the remaining starter Pokémon. His role in the storyline of HeartGold and SoulSilver is similar to that of {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} in {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} if they are not chosen as the player character, while Lyra takes this place if he is selected as the player. He teaches the player how to catch Pokémon on {{rt|29|Johto}} (replacing the [[Dude]] from {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}).

While playing as Lyra, his grandparents run the [[Pokémon Day Care]] on {{rt|34|Johto}}. He also gives the player the [[Fashion Case]] in [[Goldenrod Tunnel]] and the [[Vs. Recorder]] on {{rt|31|Johto}}. Naturally, this role is given to Lyra if he is the player character.

==Pokémon==
Ethan uses this party to show the {{player}} how to catch Pokémon when {{ga|Lyra}} is selected as the player character in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

{{Party/Single
|color={{gold color}}
|bordercolor={{gold color dark}}
|headcolor={{gold color light}}
|sprite=HGSS Ethan Back.png‎
|class={{PK}}{{MN}} Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Ethan
|prize=N/A
|game=HGSS
|location=Johto Route 29
|locationname=Route 29
|pokemon=1
}}
| style="margin:auto" | {{Pokémon/4|back=yes|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|ndex=183|pokemon=Marill|level=5|type1=Water|gender=male|ability=Unknown
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Defense Curl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Caught in tutorial===
{{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=019
|pokemon=Rattata
|type1=Normal
|ability=Run Away|ability2=Guts
|level=2
|spritegender=male
|gender=both
|move1=Tail Whip|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status}}

===Mentioned===
When called with the [[Pokégear]] at different locations, Ethan will mention he owns certain Pokémon.

{| width="100px"
|-
| {{ActivePoké|Ethan|Tauros|Spr 4h 128.png|Normal|size=100px|link=no}}{{tt|*|Mentioned at Route 38}}
| {{ActivePoké|Ethan|Bulbasaur|Spr 4h 001.png|Grass|Poison|size=100px|link=no}}{{tt|*|Mentioned at Route 1}}
| {{ActivePoké|Ethan|Porygon|Spr 4h 137.png|Normal|size=100px|link=no}}{{tt|*|Mentioned at Route 7}}
| {{ActivePoké|Ethan|Tangela|Spr 4h 114.png|Grass|size=100px|link=no}}{{tt|*|Mentioned at Celadon City}}
|}

==Quotes (as NPC)==
{{incomplete|2=Some more quotes}}
;[[New Bark Town]]
*After the player gets a starter
:''"<Player>! So you picked... a <sc>Chikorita/Cyndaquil/Totodile</sc>! That's a cute Pokémon you have! When you walk with it, it'll become more friendly. You should turn around and talk to it sometimes, too. Oh, that's right! Why don't you show it to your mom? See ya!"''

*After receiving a Master Ball from Elm
:''"I wonder what a Kimono Girl wants from you..."''
:* If spoke to his Marill
::''"Hmm... My Pokémon may be putting on some weight lately...
:*If the player attempts to walk to Route 27 before battling Ho-Oh/Lugia
::''"Hey, <player>! Where do you think you're going, <player>?"''

* In his house
:* If the player hasn't yet got a starter Pokémon
::''"<Player>! Professor Elm was looking for you. Did you go to his lab?"''

:* If the player has a starter Pokémon
::''"My <sc>Marill</sc> is super cute... But your <sc>Chikorita/Cyndaquil/Totodile</sc> looks pretty good, too, <player>!"''

:* Later in the game (if no [[Shiny Leaf]] is present on the walking Pokémon)
::''"Isn't it strange that when we are with Pokémon, going out is just so much more fun! <player>! Try going to different places and talk to your Pokémon! I bet you'll find out so many things about them!"''

;Professor Elm's lab

:* After battling Silver
::''"Hold on a second! She has nothing to do with it! I saw it. There was a red-haired boy looking into the building!"''
::''"<Player>! I'm glad they understand you are innocent. See you later!"''

:* After earning the Rising Badge
::''"<Player>! Did you already collect eight Badges? That's so cool! The professor is waiting for you."''
::''"<Player>, people are talking about you! I heard you helped Kimono Girls? You've been helping all these people! You make me proud to be your friend."''

;[[Route 29]]

::''"There you are! <Player>! You can catch wild Pokémon with Poké Balls. Follow me!"''
::''"See? Just like that! It's better to lower your target's HP more than I did, or make it sleep or something. You can try all kinds of things to see what works. I'll give you these. Good luck! See ya!"''

:* In battle
::''"All right! I got its HP down! Time to throw a Poké Ball!

;[[Route 31]]

::''"I knew it was you, <player>! How did you get past me? Here is something neat for surprising me, <player>!"''
::''"The Vs. Recorder can record all your Pokémon battles. I have to go now! I won't let you pass me again! Come on, <sc>Marill</sc>!"''

;[[Route 34]]

::''"Grandpa! Good work, Grandpa! The Pokémon you raised for me has been as healthy as can be! You look fit, too!"''
::''"Hi, <player>! Let me introduce you. This is <player>. She's a Trainer. She seems to be getting better at raising Pokémon. Well, not as good as you, Grandpa, of course! Follow me, <player>!"''
::''"Grandma! Let me introduce my friend. This is <player>!"''
::''"What? Grandma...! What are you talking about? She just happens to live nearby..."''
::''"Well, I better go now... See ya! Oh! I almost forgot! Here! This is my Pokégear number!"''
::''"You know you can talk to your Pokémon as they follow you? They do all sorts of cute stuff on the road and in towns. I'm taking notes every time they do funny things. Give me a call and I'll share some of them with you."''
::''"Grandma! Don't you say anything. We are both Trainers, and we are supposed to exchange numbers. That's all."''

;Celebi Event

::*''"Hi, <player>. Have you heard of the legend of the shrine? They say that people disappear when they tamper with it."''
::*''"... What was that?"''
::*''"Where are we...? Ilex Forest has disappeared! ...That's not it. It's more like we have been transported somewhere else...? <Player>, something is strange! I heard the radio mentioning the date from three years ago!"''
::*''"Is that...am I looking at...<sc>Celebi</sc>? That explains it! <sc>Celebi</sc> must have caused all this! My grandpa once told me that <sc>Celebi</sc> can travel through time using its mystic power called Time Travel! <sc>Celebi</sc> must have taken us back in time! Literally!"''
::*''"<Player>, there is someone else here besides us! Let's go find out who!''"
::*''"Who does he think he is? That was unnecessary! But what were they talking about? The revival of Team Rocket...? They say that Team Rocket was removed from the Kanto region by a child three years ago. So this really is three years ago!"''
::*''"Oh no! It's happening again...! It's <sc>Celebi</sc>'s Time Travel!"''
::*''"Huh? That's the guy we just saw arguing with that boy!"''
::*''"Three years ago...? Goldenrod City...? Could this be the one the radio was trying to reach? Giovanni, their boss? Do you hear it, <player>? The radio is saying something strange! Team Rocket has occupied the Radio Tower at Goldenrod City! It can't be! <Player>, you solved this case already!"''
::*''"They keep calling for their boss. I feel sorry they don't know he's not coming. After this, <player>, you will defeat them! ...Wait a second! <Player>, you're still here. Then, who will defeat Team Rocket...?"''
::*''"Not again...! I've had enough! Please let me go back to my time!"''
::*''"Traveling through time sure doesn't feel good."''
::*''"Hey, my <sc>Marill</sc>! I thought I would never see you again! Wait a sec... So we must be back to our time! It was all so bizarre. But now that we are safely back to our time and Team Rocker's terrible design fell through, we can say... all's well that ends well, right? <Player>, you never cease to inspire great adventures! It sure was an exhausting day, though. I better get going. See you!"''

==Artwork==
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color}}; font-size:80%;"
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Gold Silver Ethan.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Crystal Ethan.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Gold Silver Ethan running.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Gold Silver Ethan Pokégear.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Gold Silver Ethan Time Capsule.png|100px]]
|-
| Official artwork from {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold and Silver}}
| Official artwork from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Running
| Checking his {{color2|000|Pokégear}}
| Approaching a {{color2|000|Time Capsule}}
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Game Freak Whitney Ethan.jpg|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Ruins of Alph.jpg|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Pokémon Gallery Encounter with Shining.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Arceus ruins art.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:HGSS Walking Pokémon.png|100px]]
|-
| Artwork from the {{color2|000|Game Freak}} website
| In front of the {{color2|000|Ruins of Alph}}
| Encountering a Shiny Pokémon
| In the {{color2|000|Sinjoh Ruins}}
| {{color2|000|Walking Pokémon|Walking with Pokémon}}
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:100px; height:100px"| [[File:Ethan and Cyndaquil artwork.png|150px]]
|-
| Ethan and {{color2|000|Cyndaquil (Pokémon)|Cyndaquil}} concept artwork for Kotobukiya ArtFx J figurines
|}

===Sprites===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color}}; font-size:80%;"
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Spr GS Ethan.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Spr C Ethan.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Spr HGSS Ethan.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Spr EthanHGSSstart.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Spr HGSS Ethan 2.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:GSC Ethan Back.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:HGSS Ethan Back.png]]
|-
| Sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold and Silver}}
| Sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Sprite from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
| Intro sprite from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
| {{color2|000|Pokéathlon}} sprite from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
| Backsprite from {{color2|000|Generation II}}
| Backsprite from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanGSCwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanHGSSwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanTRHGSSwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanAthUnusedHGSSwalkdown.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:EthanChallenge.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Ethan walking.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:96px; height:96px"| [[File:Ethan opening.png]]
|-
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Generation II}}
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
| Overworld sprite, when disguised as a {{tccolor|Team Rocket Grunt}} from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
| Overworld {{color2|000|Pokéathlon}} sprite from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
| VS sprite from {{color2|000|Generation IV}}
| Sprite from the opening of {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
| VS sprite from the opening of {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
|}

==Optional names==
{| style="float:left; background: #{{gold color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{gold color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Game
! Japanese
! English
! French
! German
! Italian
! Spanish
! Korean
|- style="background: #FFF;"
|Gold
|ゴールド ''Gold'' ヒロキ ''Hiroki'' テツオ ''Tetsuo'' タカシ ''Takashi''
|Gold Hiro Taylor Karl
|Gold Julien Jean Jacques
|Gold Daniel Fritz Karl
|Oro Paolo Diego Carlo
|Oro Hiro Tomás Carlos
|골드 ''Gold'' 수호 ''Suho'' 인철 ''Incheol'' 강산 ''Gangsan''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
|Silver
|シルバー ''Silver'' カモン ''Kamon'' トオル ''Tōru'' マサオ ''Masao''
|Silver Kamon Oscar Max
|Silver Daniel Pierre Paul
|Silber Thomas Oscar Hans
|Argento Luca Paolo Max
|Plata Kamon Óscar Max
|실버 ''Silver'' 청운 ''Cheong'un'' 지겸 ''Jigyeom'' 찬호 ''Chanho''
|- style="background: #FFF;"
|Crystal
|クリス ''Chris'' ヨウスケ ''Yōsuke'' タケヒロ ''Takehiro'' タカオ ''Takao''
|Chris Mat Allan Jon
|Chris Benji Nicolas Jean
|Chris Arnold Gert Jon
|Chris Sergio Giacomo Manuele
|Cris Antonio Álex Emilio
|
|- style="background: #FFF;"
|HeartGold SoulSilver
|<ab>ハート ''Heart''{{sup/4|HG}}
ソウル ''Soul''{{sup/4|SS}}
サトシ ''Satoshi''
ケン ''Ken''
カケル ''Kakeru''
ジャック ''Jack''
ジャン ''Jean''
ジョン ''John''
カモン ''Kamon''
タカシ ''Takashi''
テツオ ''Tetsuo''
トオル ''Tōru''
ヒロキ ''Hiroki''
マサオ ''Masao''
タカオ ''Takao''
タケヒロ ''Takehiro''
トウゴ ''Tōgo''
ヒトシ ''Hitoshi''
ヨシナオ ''Yoshinao''</ab>
|<ab>Heart{{sup/4|HG}}
Soul{{sup/4|SS}}
Ash
Nic
Dion
Duncan
Jude
Ross
Shae{{sup/4|HG}} / Shea{{sup/4|SS}}
Darrell
Terell
Chris
Brad
Dwight
Talon
Lonny
Jess
Eric
Chase</ab>
|<ab>Heart
Soul
Dilan
Gurvan
Gabriel
Allane
Zack
Marc
Loris
Max
Damien
Tom
Greg
Kamel
Franck
Ralph
Seb
Daniel
Thomas</ab>
|<ab>Heart{{sup/4|HG}}
Soul{{sup/4|SS}}
Karsten
Gerd
Hans
Jack
Jan
John
Daniel
Helge
Uhland
Tobit
Ugo
Berno
Jon
Rafik
Boris
Thomas
Silvio</ab>
|<ab>Heart{{sup/4|HG}}
Soul{{sup/4|SS}}
Ash
Nico
Elmo
Mattia
Silvano
Rossano
Kamon
Karl
Gabry
Oscar
Dino
Daniel
Manuele
Ralph
Lucio
Paolo
Marco
</ab>
|<ab>Heart{{sup/4|HG}}
Soul{{sup/4|SS}}
Ash
Llamin
Casio
Job
Chechu
Juande
Javi
Ral
Marino
Toilo
Nahum
Max
Morel
Ralph
Russ
Erminio
Quinn</ab>
|<ab>하트 ''Heart''{{sup/4|HG}}
소울 ''Soul''{{sup/4|SS}}
지우 ''Jiu''
캔 ''Ken''
호진 ''Hojin''
상우 ''Sang'u''
쟝 ''Jyang''
재범 ''Jaebeom''
청운 ''Cheong'un''
강산 ''Gangsan''
인철 ''Incheol''
지겸 ''Jigyeom''
숙호 ''Sukho''
찬호 ''Chanho''
지훈 ''Jihun''
윤호 ''Yunho''
케이 ''Kay''
다인 ''Dain''
상현 ''Sanghyeon''</ab>
|}
{{clear}}

==Counterparts==
===In the anime===
====In the main series====
{{main|Jimmy (Johto)}}
[[File:Jimmy artwork.png|thumb|250px|{{jo|Jimmy}}, Ethan's first {{pkmn|anime}} counterpart]]
{{jo|Jimmy}}, the main protagonist of ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', is the first anime counterpart of Ethan, and seems to be based on him in the most basic sense, much more than {{Ash}} was based on his game counterpart, {{ga|Red}}. {{jo|Jimmy}} follows Ethan's design from {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}. Much like Ethan, Jimmy is from [[New Bark Town]] and receives a [[Jimmy's Typhlosion|starter]] from Professor Elm. He also encounters the counterparts of [[Silver (game)#Counterparts|Silver]] and [[Marina (Johto)|Kris]] on his journey.

Ethan's second counterpart has a cameo appearance at the beginning of ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]'', where he had a {{pkmn|battle}} against Ash. This counterpart follows Ethan's updated design from {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}. It has been argued that this is Jimmy in an updated look, rather than a different counterpart, but this counterpart is identified as "Hibiki" (Ethan's Japanese name) in the Japanese DVD of the movie.

=====Pokémon=====
This is a listing of Ethan's known Pokémon in the anime:
{{TrainerPoké
|width=68
|trainer=Ethan
|pkmn=Donphan
|type1=Ground
|img=Ethan Donphan.png
|epnum=M13
|epname=Zoroark: Master of Illusions
|desc=Ethan used {{p|Donphan}} in a battle against Ash at the beginning of the thirteenth movie. During the battle, it fought against {{AP|Pikachu}}. It was not shown who won the battle.

Donphan's only known move is {{m|Rollout}}.}}

====In Pokémon Generations====
[[File:Ethan PG.png|thumb|250px|Ethan in [[Pokémon Generations]]]]
Ethan made two brief appearances in ''[[PG04|The Lake of Rage]]''. First, he and [[Lance]] infiltrated the [[Team Rocket HQ]] separately. He then communicated with Lance through his [[Pokégear]] about updates on their mission, and acted as a decoy for Lance's attacks. As a silent protagonist, he wasn't shown speaking, much like {{ga|Red}}.

===In the manga===
Ethan, like most player characters, also has several counterparts in the various Pokémon manga series.

====In Pokémon Adventures manga====
[[File:Gold HGSS Adventures 2.png|thumb|100px|Ethan's Pokémon Adventures counterpart, Gold]]
{{main|Gold (Adventures)}}
{{adv|Gold}} from the [[Pokémon Adventures]] is based on Ethan.

====In Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys manga====
{{main|Gold (Golden Boys)}}
The main character, {{GnB|Gold}}, in [[Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys]] manga is based on Ethan.

====In Pokémon HeartGold SoulSilver: Pokédex Completion Comic manga====
{{main|Soul (PCC)}}
{{OBP|Soul|PCC}} from [[Pokémon HeartGold SoulSilver: Pokédex Completion Comic]] is based on Ethan.

====In the Pocket Monsters HeartGold & SoulSilver Go! Go! Pokéathlon manga====
{{main|Takashi}}
[[Takashi]] from [[Pocket Monsters HeartGold & SoulSilver Go! Go! Pokéathlon]] is based on Ethan.

====In the Pocket Monsters HGSS Jō's Big Adventure manga====
{{main|Jō}}
[[Jō]] from [[Pocket Monsters HGSS Jō's Big Adventure]] is based on Ethan.

====In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga====
{{main|Gold (Pocket Monsters)}}
{{OBP|Gold|Pocket Monsters}} from the [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]] manga is based on Ethan.

==Trivia==
[[File:Sugimori Jimmy anime.png|[[Ken Sugimori]]'s design for the anime.|thumb|220px]]
* The {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} artwork was originally presented in the '''''Official Guidebook of {{wp|Nintendo Space World}} '97''''' (Japanese: '''{{j|NINTENDOスペースワールド'97オフィシャルガイドブック}}'''), along with {{ga|Silver}}, {{prof|Oak}}, {{tc|Schoolkid|Schoolboy}}, {{tc|Lass}}, {{tc|Firebreather}}, [[Kimono Girl]], {{tc|Fisherman|Fisher}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}}, {{p|Slowking}}, {{p|Ampharos}}, {{p|Donphan}}, and the [[List of Pokémon by New Pokédex number|new Pokédex]].
* Ethan is 4'11" (1.50 m) tall and weighs 88.2 lbs (40 kg) in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}.
** {{alo|Sandshrew}}, {{p|Clefable}}, {{p|Latias}}, {{p|Gurdurr}}, {{p|Greninja}}, Ash-Greninja, and Meteor Form {{p|Minior}} are all the same weight as Ethan.
* Before he received an official name in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, most fans called him '''Gold''' (Japanese: '''ゴールド''' ''Gold'').
* Ethan is the only male player character to have two female counterparts; {{ga|Kris}} and {{ga|Lyra}}.
* The majority of his Japanese default names from {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} are shared with {{ga|Red}} and {{ga|Lucas}}. The same holds true for their {{ga|Lyra|respective}} {{ga|Leaf|female}} {{ga|Dawn|counterparts}}.
* A 1997 pamphlet describing {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} mentions that the protagonist has a brother three years his senior, and seems to imply the possibility of that brother being the {{ga|Red|first-generation protagonist}}. However, this aspect of his character was discarded by the time of the final release, as Red's mother still lives in [[Pallet Town]].
* On the "Area" map on the [[Pokédex]] in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, Ethan's headshot sprite shows his hat from {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}. An earlier, unused version of this sprite is also found within other scrapped [[Pokégear]] graphics data, in which {{ga|Kris}} appears instead of {{ga|Lyra}}.
* One of {{SSB|Pokémon Trainer}}'s palette swaps in [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]] has a color scheme based on Ethan's appearance in {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}.
* The Japanese optional name カケル ''Kakeru'', along with the English optional name ''Chase'', were eventually given to the {{ga|Chase|male protagonist}} of [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]].
* Ethan's anime counterpart {{jo|Jimmy}} having a different name likely stems from the fact that Ethan did not become his canon name until {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}.

==Names==
{| style="float:left; background: #{{gold color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{gold color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Japanese
| ヒビキ ''Hibiki''
| From 響き ''hibiki'', "sound" or "echo".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Ethan
| {{wp|Bible|Biblically}}, Ethan/Eitan is believed to be the author of Psalm 89 and/or a {{wp|harp}} or {{wp|cymbal}} player in King David's court.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Luth
| From ''luth'', {{wp|lute}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Klarin
| From ''Klarinette'', {{wp|clarinet}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Armonio
| From ''armonia'', harmony, or ''armonio'', {{wp|harmonium}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Eco
| From ''eco'', echo.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 심향 ''Simhyang''
| From 심 (心) ''sim'', heart, and 향 (響) ''hyang'', echo.
|} 

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Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!

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'''Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu!''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター Let's Go! ピカチュウ''' ''Pocket Monsters: Let's Go! Pikachu'') and '''Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee!''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスター Let's Go! イーブイ''' ''Pocket Monsters: Let's Go! {{tt|Eievui|Eevee}}'') are the third and final [[Core series|paired versions]] of [[Generation VII]]. They are remakes of the [[Generation I]] game [[Pokémon Yellow Version]]. The games were released on the [[Nintendo Switch]]. The games take place in the [[Kanto]] [[region]].

The games were announced worldwide on May 30, 2018, at a Pokémon press conference in Tokyo, Japan.<ref>[https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/huge-pokemon-news-revealed-in-tokyo/ Huge Pokémon News Revealed in Tokyo | Pokemon.com]</ref><ref>[https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/pokemon-creators-share-more-details-on-upcoming-games/ Pokémon Creators Share More Details on Upcoming Games | Pokemon.com]</ref> The paired versions were released worldwide on November 16, 2018. All copies of the game are playable in nine languages: Japanese, English, German, Spanish, French, Italian, Korean, and Simplified and Traditional Chinese.

==Plot==
The games are set in the [[region]] of [[Kanto]], with {{p|Pikachu}} available in Let's Go, Pikachu! and {{p|Eevee}} available in Let's Go, Eevee! as a [[starter Pokémon]]. The {{player}} encounters [[Team Rocket]] and has the opportunity to meet two all-new {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} through the use of [[Pokémon GO]].

==Features==
* The [[starter Pokémon]] in this game, {{OBP|Partner Pokémon|game}}, {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Eevee}}, have higher [[base stats]] compared to the regular ones, in addition of having all-perfect 31 {{IV}}s. Their gender can be determined by the title screen during the start of game. Unlike the regular Eevee, which does not have any [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences]], the female starter Eevee has a unique [[Variant Pokémon#Eevee|heart-shaped pattern]] around the tip of their tail.
* Pikachu, like in all [[core series]] games since {{g|X and Y}}, is voiced by [[Ikue Ohtani]], while Eevee is voiced by [[Aoi Yūki]].<ref>[https://twitter.com/project_eevee/status/1017403291334897664 @project_eevee (Twitter)]</ref>
* The {{DL|Nintendo Switch|Joy-Con|Joy-Con}} is used to {{pkmn2|Caught|catch}} Pokémon by flicking one's wrist in a throwing motion, similar to the method in [[Pokémon GO]]. While in handheld mode, [[wild Pokémon]] are caught by aiming the [[Poké Ball]] with motion controls. Wild Pokémon, except for interactive Pokémon, can no longer be battled in a traditional sense, but NPC {{pkmn|Trainer}}s can be battled as normal.
* Two-player simultaneous play feature, which can be done by sharing one of the Joy-Con controllers. Both players can adventure at the same time and one of them may lend a hand by joining in battles against NPC Trainers. This feature also increases the chances of [[caught Pokémon|catching Pokémon]] successfully by throwing Poké Balls together at the wild Pokémon.
* An accessory called the [[Poké Ball Plus]] can be used to catch Pokémon in place of a Joy-Con. Like the [[Pokéwalker]], a Pokémon can be taken on the go and be interacted with for rewards when returned to the game. It also contains the [[Mythical Pokémon]] {{p|Mew}}, a special Pokémon that cannot be obtained by normal gameplay.
* The introduction of two new Mythical Pokémon: {{p|Meltan}} and its evolved form, {{p|Melmetal}}.
* Once the player has become the {{pkmn|Champion}}, [[Master Trainer]]s will appear and can be found scattered throughout the [[Kanto]] [[region]]. They are considered the strongest {{pkmn|Trainer}}s for every Pokémon species in [[Generation I]] and can be spotted by the icon of the Pokémon they favor above their heads. In these battles, the player are only allowed to use one Pokémon which is the same species as them and any [[medicine]]s are prohibited.

====Alterations from other core series games====
* The games only feature the {{cat|Generation I Pokémon|151 Pokémon}} of [[Generation I]], the new [[Mythical Pokémon]] Meltan and its evolution Melmetal. Players can also import the [[Regional variant#Alola|Alolan forms]] of these {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} from [[Pokémon GO]] or receive them from [[in-game trade]]s repeatedly.
* The games are no longer backwards compatible with any other main series games, unlike every other main series game released since {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
* In addition to [[Trainer customization|customizing]] the {{player}}'s color skin and clothing, the starter Pokémon can also be dressed in different outfits and be given different accessories and hair styles.
* [[Wild Pokémon]] now appear on the overworld. Coming into contact with one will engage them. They may appear with either a red or blue aura, which indicates their size, either being larger or smaller, respectively, than their own standard size. Similar to the previous games, there is a chance to encounter [[Shiny Pokémon]] in the wild.
** A feature called the [[Catch Combo]] tracks how many of the same species of Pokémon is caught in a row without the Pokémon running away or the game turning off. The higher the combo, the stronger and rarer wild Pokémon become, and Shiny Pokémon become more common.
* The [[time|day and night cycle]], several [[move]]s (including all [[Z-Move]]s), {{Abilities}}, several [[item]]s, [[held item]]s, {{pkmn|breeding}}, and {{pkmn|Egg}}s have been removed from the game.
** Moves that were {{cat|Generation I moves|introduced in Generation I}} are all available in the games.
** Abilities were going to appear in the games, as they are programmed into them, but they were removed, leaving them unused.
** The only available [[Poké Ball]] that were not introduced in Generation I are {{DL|Poké Ball|Premier Ball}} and {{DL|Poké Ball|Cherish Ball}}.
* {{m|Teleport}} has been changed to do something in any kind of battle, as opposed to just battles with wild Pokémon.
* Premier Ball can be obtained as gift by purchasing 10 Poké Balls at the [[Poké Mart]].
* Calculations for [[Statistic|stats]] have been changed, allowing for Pokémon to reach much higher stat ceilings than in previous core games.
** [[Effort values]] (EVs) have been replaced by [[awakening values]] (AVs), which can be raised by feeding specific [[Candy]].
** High [[friendship]] can boost all stats by up to 10%, before adding in AVs.
* The [[Bicycle]], one of the [[key items]] in Generation I and III, has been removed; the [[Miracle Cycle]] shop in [[Cerulean City]] is replaced with the home of a Bike Maniac who just collects many kinds of bikes; and the Cycling Road is redesigned as the "Pokémon Road" without any {{tc|Biker}}s or {{tc|Roughneck}}s challenging the player.
* A unique section of the [[Bag]] called the [[Candy Jar]] is used for increasing the stats of Pokémon by giving them various types of [[Candy]] obtained from transferring Pokémon to Professor Oak, similar to the Candy from [[Pokémon GO]].
* A section in the bag called the Pokémon Box replaces [[PC]]s, allowing players to switch the Pokémon in their [[party]] at any point in the game.
* The player can no longer play mini-game on the machines in the [[Celadon Game Corner]] because the service desk has run out of [[coin]]s. However, there are certain spots where the hidden items such as [[Bottle Cap]]s are recurring once per day in the Game Corner.
* The {{safari|Kanto}} in [[Fuchsia City]] replaces the zoo, and has added the [[GO Park]], where the player is able to interact with their caught Pokémon. Similar to the Box system in the [[Pokémon Storage System]], the GO Park complex has a total of 20 GO Parks, with each capable of holding 50 Pokémon. Thus, the player can transfer up to 1,000 Pokémon into the games.
** If the player has gathered 25 of the same species of Pokémon, they can play a minigame in the [[Park's Play Yard]] for [[Candy]]. Alolan forms are counted as a separate species, listed in red.
* Exclusive new [[move]]s are available for the starter Pikachu and Eevee. Pikachu can to learn {{m|Zippy Zap}}, {{m|Splishy Splash}} and {{m|Floaty Fall}}, while Eevee can learn {{m|Bouncy Bubble}}, {{m|Buzzy Buzz}}, {{m|Sizzly Slide}}, {{m|Glitzy Glow}}, {{m|Baddy Bad}}, {{m|Sappy Seed}}, {{m|Freezy Frost}} and {{m|Sparkly Swirl}}. These moves can be learned from a [[Move Tutor]] in the [[Pokémon Center]]s of [[Cerulean City]], [[Celadon City]], and [[Fuchsia City]].
** The starter Pikachu and Eevee can activate their own [[Partner Pokémon (game)|partner powers]] in battle once they have high enough [[friendship]]. If activated while they are in battle, they use an exclusive move—{{m|Pika Papow}} or {{m|Veevee Volley}}—which increases in damage based on friendship. If activated while they are not in battle, they boost the stats of the current Pokémon.
* [[TM]]s have been reordered and readded with some moves that previously available as Move Tutor. The amount of TM moves available also have been decreased compared to previous core series games.
* [[HM]] moves have been replaced by [[Secret Technique]]s that the starter Pikachu and Eevee can use in the overworld, but do not take up move slots. These include Chop Down for {{m|Cut}}, Sea Skim for {{m|Surf}}, and Sky Dash for {{m|Fly}}.
* Interactive Pokémon such as {{p|Electrode}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, and [[Legendary Pokémon]] can be battled, but they must be defeated to be captured. A five-minute time limit is in effect for the battle. If the timer hits 0, the battle ends abruptly. Hitting the Home button or putting the console in sleep mode does not pause the timer.
** Electrode disguised as items are now white on top and red at the bottom, just like real Electrode.
** Both Snorlax are battled with either an Attack or Defense stat boost, while all the Legendary Pokémon have all their stats increased, similar to [[Totem Pokémon]].
* The [[legendary bird]]s ({{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}}) can be encountered as the [[wild Pokémon]] in the sky after beating the {{pkmn|Champion}} for the first time.
* Legendary Pokémon captured in this game are no longer guaranteed to have 3 perfect IVs.

====Returning features====
* The eight [[Gym Leader]]s of [[Kanto]] and their [[Badge]]s, as well as the [[Elite Four]] of the [[Indigo Plateau]], return.
** The [[rematch]] battle of all Gym Leaders, the Elite Four, and the {{pkmn|Champion}} after entering the [[Hall of Fame]], also return.
* [[Team Rocket]] returns, including [[Team Rocket trio|the trio]] from the {{pkmn|anime}} series, [[Jessie]], [[James]], and {{MTR}}. Unlike in their game debut {{game|Yellow}}, Jessie and James engage the {{player}} in [[Double Battle]]s.
* The [[starter Pokémon]] have similar traits to the {{game|Yellow}}. In this case, starter {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Eevee}}, unlike ones found in the wild, prefer to be out of its [[Poké Ball]] and have no interest in [[evolution|evolving]].
** The starter Pikachu and Eevee also react differently near the hidden [[item]]s by wagging their own tail.
* A feature that allow the player to pet a Pokémon similarly to [[Pokémon-Amie]] and [[Pokémon Refresh]], can be called by pressing "Play with Pikachu/Eevee" on the [[menu]]. However, this feature is limited to the starter Pikachu and Eevee.
* Any {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} that the player has in their party can [[Walking Pokémon|follow them]] outside their [[Poké Ball]]s, as well as their action and reaction depending on the environment, like they did in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}. However, the Pokémon that walks outside of its Poké Ball can now be chosen out of the party.
** Certain Pokémon appears to be ridden in the certain locations instead of following the player. These Pokémon includes {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Persian}} (Kantonian form only), {{p|Machamp}}, {{p|Arcanine}}, {{p|Rapidash}}, {{p|Dodrio}}, {{p|Haunter}}, {{p|Onix}}, {{p|Rhyhorn}}, {{p|Rhydon}}, {{p|Kangaskhan}}, {{p|Starmie}}, {{p|Tauros}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, {{p|Lapras}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, and {{p|Dragonite}}.
*** Only Gyarados and Lapras cannot appear outside unless they are in the sea.
*** After entering the [[Hall of Fame]] for the first time, Charizard, Aerodactyl, and Dragonite can be ridden across the Kanto region; however they cannot enter the secluded places. This allows the player to encounter and catch the [[wild Pokémon]] in the sky.
* [[Mega Evolution]]s of {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}} ({{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Blastoise}}, {{p|Beedrill}}, {{p|Pidgeot}}, {{p|Alakazam}}, {{p|Slowbro}}, {{p|Gengar}}, {{p|Kangaskhan}}, {{p|Pinsir}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, and {{p|Mewtwo}}), as well as their corresponding [[Mega Stone]]s, return. As Pokémon are no longer able to [[held item|hold]] an item, Mega Stones can be activated in the [[Bag]] instead. Only Mega Stones belonging to [[Kanto]] starter Pokémon can be obtained prior entering the [[Hall of Fame]].

====Storyline changes from Generations I and III====
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* The game features entirely new {{player|protagonists}}, {{ga|Chase}} and {{ga|Elaine}}, instead of {{ga|Red}}, and the role of {{ga|Blue}} is replaced with a new friendly [[rival]], {{ga|Trace}}.
* The player and their rival receive their [[Pokédex]] and first [[Poké Ball]]s along with their [[starter Pokémon]] and no longer battle until returning to [[Professor Oak]] to deliver [[Parcel|his parcel]].
* {{TRT}} appears early in the [[Viridian City]], replaces the {{ka|old man}} as the obstacle keeping the player from progressing to {{rt|2|Kanto}}. They later can be found in the Pokémon Road in {{rt|17|Kanto}} after the disbandment of Team Rocket.
** Unlike in {{game|Yellow}}, {{MTR|Team Rocket's Meowth}} no longer battles.
* [[Mina]], a {{type|Fairy}} Pokémon Trainer from [[Alola]], is visiting Kanto and can be found in the [[Vermilion City|Vermilion Port]].
* [[Lorelei]] appears early during the {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}'s raid near the Pokémon Center on {{rt|10|Kanto}}.
* After killing the {{p|Cubone}}'s mother in [[Lavender Town]], {{TRT}} kidnaps Cubone and takes it back to the [[Team Rocket Hideout]]. They also push away the Team Rocket Grunt blocking access to [[Silph Co.]]. Cubone is later adopted into Trace's team after being rescued.
* Instead of battling the [[Marowak (ghost)|ghost of Cubone's mother]], she is calmed by the presence of her child, Cubone, and then departs.
* [[Archer]], a Team Rocket {{tc|Executive}} who was introduced in [[Generation II]] and given a name in [[Generation IV]], appears during the story.
* The player instead meets Red, Blue, and, for the first time as a [[non-player character]], {{ga|Green}} over the course of their adventure.
** Red only appears in the [[Indigo Plateau]] outside of the Pokémon League after the player beats at least six [[Master Trainer]]s.
** Blue appears early in the [[Pewter City]] and later in the Silph Co. during the raid of Team Rocket. Similar to the storyline prior to [[Generation II]], Blue takes over as the Gym Leader of [[Viridian Gym]] after the player beats the {{pkmn|Champion}}.
** Green can be found in [[Cerulean Cave]], searching for {{p|Mewtwo}}, and later reappears in [[Cerulean City]].

===Pokémon===
:''See [[:Category:Generation I Pokémon]]''

====[[Game-exclusive Pokémon]]====
The game-exclusive {{ga|Partner Pokémon|Partner}} the player starts with cannot be traded to other games. While a single {{p|Persian}} is obtainable in Let's Go, Pikachu!, and a single {{p|Arcanine}} is obtainable in Let's Go, Eevee! through an NPC, they are not obtainable as wild Pokémon in those respective games.
{| style="margin:auto"
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{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{Let's Go Pikachu color}}; border:5px solid #{{Let's Go Pikachu color light}}"
! Let's Go, Pikachu!
|-
|
{| border="1" style="border:1px solid #{{Let's Go Pikachu color}}; border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
{{Moveentrytm|025|Pikachu|1|Electric|7=Partner}}
{{Moveentrytm|027|Sandshrew|1|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|027|Sandshrew|2|Ice|Steel|7=Alola}}
{{Moveentrytm|028|Sandslash|1|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|028|Sandslash|2|Ice|Steel|7=Alola}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|044|Gloom|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|045|Vileplume|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|056|Mankey|1|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|057|Primeape|1|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|058|Growlithe|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|088|Grimer|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|088|Grimer|2|Poison|Dark|7=Alola}}
{{Moveentrytm|089|Muk|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|089|Muk|2|Poison|Dark|7=Alola}}
{{Moveentrytm|123|Scyther|2|Bug|Flying}}
|}
|}
|
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{Let's Go Eevee color}}; border:5px solid #{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}"
! Let's Go, Eevee!
|-
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{| border="1" style="border:1px solid #{{Let's Go Eevee color}}; border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
{{Moveentrytm|023|Ekans|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|024|Arbok|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|037|Vulpix|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|037|Vulpix|1|Ice|7=Alola}}
{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|2|Ice|Fairy|7=Alola}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Dark|7=Alola}}
{{Moveentrytm|053|Persian|1|Dark|7=Alola}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|109|Koffing|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|110|Weezing|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|127|Pinsir|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|133|Eevee|1|Normal|7=Partner}}
|}
|}
|}

==Compatibility==
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The games are compatible with any number of [[Pokémon GO]] accounts through {{wp|Bluetooth Low Energy|Bluetooth LE}}. Players can send [[Generation I]] {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} and their [[Regional variant|Alola Forms]], as well as {{p|Meltan}} and {{p|Melmetal}}, from their phone to the games where they will appear in [[GO Park]]. {{p|Mew}} can't be transferred.

Each time a Pokémon is transferred from Pokémon GO to the Nintendo Switch, the Pokémon GO account will be awarded 100 [[Trainer level|expereince]] and one [[candy]] corresponding to each Pokémon transferred. Transferring a Pokémon from Pokémon GO to the Switch for the first time also gives the GO account a [[Mystery Box]], which can be opened once every seven days to spawn wild {{p|Meltan}}. Each time before the box can be opened, a Pokémon transfer must be made from Pokémon GO to the Nintendo Switch.

The games are incompatible with [[Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun, Moon]], [[Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon]].

==Reception==
Gaming magazine {{wp|Famitsu}} gave Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! a score of 37 out of 40. {{wp|IGN}} rated the games a "Great" 8.3/10.<ref>[https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/11/12/pokemon-lets-go-pikachu-and-eevee-review Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu and Eevee Review - IGN]</ref> Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! hold a rating of 77.49%<ref>[https://www.gamerankings.com/switch/240025-pokemon-lets-go-pikachu/index.html Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! for Nintendo Switch - GameRankings]</ref> and 79.31%,<ref>[https://www.gamerankings.com/switch/240024-pokemon-lets-go-eevee/index.html Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! for Nintendo Switch - GameRankings]</ref> respectively, on {{wp|GameRankings}}.

===Sales===
====Japanese sales====
Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! sold 661,240 units on their first week on the Japanese market.<ref>[https://gematsu.com/2018/11/media-create-sales-11-12-18-11-18-18 Media Create Sales: 11/12/18 – 11/18/18 - Gematsu]</ref>

{| class="roundy" style="text-align:center; border:3px solid #{{Let's Go Eevee color dark}}; background:#{{Let's Go Pikachu color}}"
! style="background:#{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Week
! style="background:#{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}" | Week ending
! style="background:#{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}" | Ranking
! style="background:#{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}" | Units sold
! style="background:#{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Total units sold
|- style="background:#fff"
| 1
| November 18, 2018
| 1st
| 661,240
| 661,240
|- style="background:#fff"
| 2
| November 25, 2018
| 1st
| 162,467
| 823,707
|- style="background:#fff"
| 3
| December 2, 2018
| 1st
| 94,753
| 918,459
|- style="background:#fff"
| 4
| December 9, 2018
| 2nd
| 93,787
| 1,012,247
|- style="background:#fff"
| 5
| December 16, 2018
| 4th
| 108,773
| 1,121,020
|- style="background:#fff"
| 6
| December 23, 2018
| 3rd
| 144,770
| 1,265,790
|- style="background:#fff"
| 7
| December 30, 2018
| 3rd
| 65,497
| 1,331,287
|- style="background:#fff"
| 8
| January 6, 2019
| 3rd
| 68,308
| 1,399,595
|-
| style="background:#{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" colspan="5" |
|}

==Music==
{{main|Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! & Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! Super Music Collection}}
The game's music was arranged and composed by [[Shota Kageyama]].<ref>[https://twitter.com/shotakageyama/status/1019868658376425472/ Shota Kageyama's Twitter]</ref>

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!}}

==Version history==
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:left; border: 3px solid #{{Let's Go Eevee color}}; background: #{{Let's Go Pikachu color}}"
! style="background: #{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}; text-align:center; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! style="background: #{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}; text-align:center" | Release date
! style="background: #{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}; text-align:center" | Official changelog
! style="background: #{{Let's Go Eevee color light}}; text-align:center; {{roundytr|5px}}" | More information
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.0
| style="text-align:center" | November 16, 2018
| N/A
| Initial release
|-
| style="background: #FFF; text-align:center" | 1.0.1
| style="background: #FFF; text-align:center" | January 22, 2019<ref>[https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/43254/p/897 How to Update Pokémon: Let’s Go, Pikachu! / Pokémon: Let’s Go, Eevee! | Nintendo Switch | Nintendo Support]</ref>
| style="background: #FFF" |
*Issues Fixed
**The issue where the Pokémon received through Mystery Gift does not get registered in the Pokédex when exiting the game without saving has been resolved.
***If you have already received the Pokémon through Mystery Gift, put the Pokémon that is not registered in the Pokédex in the Pokémon Box and download the update data. Once this is done, the Pokémon should be reflected in the Pokédex.
*Other Update Information
**The Pokémon’s Markings and Judge function’s □ and ☆ orders were reversed. It has now been changed to match.
**Various gameplay fixes.
| style="background: #FFF" |
N/A
|}


==Demonstration==
[[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! - Demo Version|The demo version]] of Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! were playable at several events worldwide prior to the games' release.
* In {{pmin|the United States}}, the demo events were available at [https://www.nintendo.com/switch/events/ Pokémon Let’s Go Road Trip] tour from September 29 to November 15, 2018, starting in {{wp|Los Angeles}}, {{wp|San Franciso}}, {{wp|Seattle}}, {{wp|Dallas}}, {{wp|Topeka}}, {{wp|Chicago}}, {{wp|Boston}}, and {{wp|New York}}.<ref>[https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/pikachu-and-eevee-embark-road-trip-across-the-us-to-demo-new-pokemon-games Pikachu and Eevee embark on a road trip across the U.S. to demo new Pokémon games - Nintendo Official Site]</ref>

==Gallery==
<gallery>
Pokémon Lets Go Pikachu Logo.png|English logo of Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu!
Pokémon Lets Go Eevee Logo.png|English logo of Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee!
Lets Go Pikachu Logo JP.png|Japanese logo of Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu!
Lets Go Eevee Logo JP.png|Japanese logo of Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee!
Lets Go Pikachu Logo KR.png|Korean logo of Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu!
Lets Go Eevee Logo KR.png|Korean logo of Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee!
Lets Go Pikachu KR boxart.jpg|Korean boxart of Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu!
Lets Go Eevee KR boxart.jpg|Korean boxart of Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee!
</gallery>

==Trailer==
===Japanese===
{{YouTubeVid|q9xb-DCHXUM|user/PokemonCoJp|name=ポケモン公式YouTubeチャンネル|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|afhr0E3U1n4|user/PokemonCoJp|name=ポケモン公式YouTubeチャンネル|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|CtiGjk5YP3U|user/PokemonCoJp|name=ポケモン公式YouTubeチャンネル|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|fmamzwV3W-4|user/PokemonCoJp|name=ポケモン公式YouTubeチャンネル|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|JWhNT8cGTiM|user/PokemonCoJp|name=ポケモン公式YouTubeチャンネル|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|n6bK0JjqNK4|user/PokemonCoJp|name=ポケモン公式YouTubeチャンネル|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}

===English===
{{YouTubeVid|9jRtpMKLsts|user/pokemon|name=The Official Pokémon YouTube channel|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|BSL7l2Ie_NY|user/pokemon|name=The Official Pokémon YouTube channel|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|DkKqXVpJfIs|user/pokemon|name=The Official Pokémon YouTube channel|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|K9Tk3NBlteg|user/pokemon|name=The Official Pokémon YouTube channel|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|PZ3kwK2slV4|user/pokemon|name=The Official Pokémon YouTube channel|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|BF4ARjIbS3Q|user/pokemon|name=The Official Pokémon YouTube channel|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|ii2uNgA5C14|user/pokemon|name=The Official Pokémon YouTube channel|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}
{{YouTubeVid|ulsNuIXES9s|user/pokemon|name=The Official Pokémon YouTube channel|Let's Go Pikachu|Let's Go Eevee}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Let's Go Pocket Monsters Pikachu.png|thumb|200px|Professor Oak's introduction in Japanese Pokémon Yellow]]
* The term "Let's Go!" (Japanese: レッツゴー!) may be a reference to [[Pokémon GO]] and the end phrase of [[Professor Oak]]'s introduction in the Japanese and English versions of the [[Generation I]] [[core series]] games.
* These are the first core series games:
** To be released exclusively on a home console.
** To be playable exclusively on a system different from other core series games in their generation.
** In which not every Pokémon revealed at the time is programmed into the games.
** To have a decreased amount of [[TM]]s available compared to past games.
** To not have any {{cat|battle areas|battle facilities}} since {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.
** To not be compatible with previous core series titles in any way since {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, and as such, the first to be unable to trade with other core series games in their generation.
** To be compatible with [[Pokémon GO]].
** To not feature the [[Global Trade System|GTS]] since {{game|Emerald}}.
** To not feature [[Wonder Trade]] since {{game|Black and White|s 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2}}.
** To not feature {{pkmn|breeding}} since {{game|Yellow}}.
** To not feature {{Abilities}} since {{game|Crystal}}.
** To not be compatible with the [[Pokémon Global Link]] since {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.
** To only have regional Pokémon in the main storyline since {{game|Black and White|s}}.
** To not have a [[PC]].
** To not have a day and night cycle since {{game|Emerald}}.
* Let's Go, Pikachu! has the longest name of all core series titles, including symbols and spaces, with 18.
* These games mark the first time that a {{cat|third versions|third version}} has been [[remake|remade]].
* As revealed in an interview with [[Junichi Masuda]], the reason Eevee was chosen as a game mascot alongside Pikachu was because of all of the fanart Eevee has gotten.<ref>[https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/30/17384582/pokemon-lets-go-eevee-pikachu-fan-art-nintendo-switch Eevee’s starring role in Pokémon: Let’s Go was inspired by fan art - The Verge]</ref>
** Masuda also revealed that {{p|Psyduck}} was considered for the role instead of Eevee, but was not chosen because it was the same color as Pikachu.
* These are the first core series remakes to introduce brand-new Pokémon.
* Like in {{game|Yellow}}, {{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Koffing}}, and {{p|Meowth}} and their evolutionary relatives are not found in the wild in Let's Go, Pikachu!. These three Pokémon are commonly associated with {{TRT}} in the {{series|original}}. To compensate, {{p|Mankey}}, {{p|Grimer}}, and their relatives are exclusive to Let's Go, Pikachu!, a reference to two Pokémon {{Ash}} caught in the original series, {{AP|Primeape}} and {{AP|Muk}}.
* The button prompts that appear in menus on the lower-right match colors with the buttons on a [[Super Nintendo Entertainment System|Super Nintendo]]'s controller as they appear in the Japanese and PAL regions.
* These are the only core series games in Generation VII to give the player a [[diploma]] upon completing the [[Pokédex]].
** Of the core series games that give out diplomas, these are the only ones in which the design of the diploma differs between the two games.
* Of all of the core series games where {{ga|Red}} appears as a [[non-player character]], this is the first in which he does not have all three [[Kanto]] [[starter Pokémon]] on his team.
* Because {{pmin|South Korea}} never got an official Korean-language release for either Generation I or Generation III games (and thus never received {{game|Red and Green|s}} or {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}), these games are the first Korean-language games which primarily feature Kanto and follow the original story featured in Generation I.
** However, Kanto was still accessible in both Generation II's {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}—which was the first official Korean-language release of any Pokémon game—and its Generation IV remake, {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, albeit as a post-game extra. Therefore, Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! are the first games in Korean to start in Kanto.
** The same holds true for the players in {{pmin|Greater China}}, although this is the first official Chinese-language games to visit Kanto in any form.

==In other languages==
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|ja={{tt|ポケットモンスター Let's Go! ピカチュウ・Let's Go! イーブイ|Pocket Monsters: Let's Go! Pikachu & Let's Go! Eievui}}
|zh_yue={{tt|精靈寶可夢 Let's Go！皮卡丘／Let's Go！伊布|Jīnglìhng Pokémon: Let's Go! Pikachu / Let's Go! Yībou}}
|zh_cmn={{tt|精靈寶可夢 Let's Go！皮卡丘／Let's Go！伊布 精灵宝可梦 Let's Go! 皮卡丘／Let's Go! 伊布|Jīnglíng Pokémon: Let's Go! Píkǎqiū / Let's Go! Yībù}}
|fr=Pokémon : Let's Go, Pikachu et Let's Go, Évoli
|de=Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! und Let's Go, Evoli!
|it=Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! e Let's Go, Eevee!
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 레츠고! 피카츄・레츠고! 이브이|Pocket Monsters: Let's Go! Pikachu & Let's Go! Eevee}}
|es=Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! y Let's Go, Eevee!
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==References==
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== Continued from my questions ==
Sorrry, I couldn't find the archived talk where I originally posted this. Anyway, why can't the Generation VI sprites just be treated like 120 by 120 still images? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:The archive is [[User talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/8|here]]. You can find it by mousing over "Pokémon" in the template at the top of the page (maybe I should make that clearer).
:Anyway, there are no sprites in Gen VI, only models. Models just don't work the same way, so we decided to use artwork instead. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

== Anime ordering ==

Hi, I saw [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Anime ordering]] and I would suggest that you check out this (not made by me): https://github.com/mal/pokemon/blob/gh-pages/data/anime.md --[[User:PannenkoekenNL|PannenkoekenNL]] ([[User talk:PannenkoekenNL|talk]]) 13:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
:We already have the air dates on Bulbapedia. Having a list of them isn't really helpful in constructing that page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::It's in chronological order, not only the air dates.--[[User:PannenkoekenNL|PannenkoekenNL]] ([[User talk:PannenkoekenNL|talk]]) 06:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon Move Descriptions ==

I'm planning to begin adding Super Mystery Dungeon's move descriptions to each of the move pages. However, each move has two separate descriptions, one on the move's basic info box, and another one that goes into more detail if needed, and I'd like your opinion (others are welcome too) on which should be used before I start. Most of the time, they're either the same or they managed to fit the most important details fit into the shorter one, but occasionally not; for example, Stockpile's short description doesn't mention its Defense/Sp. Defense raising effect. I've included example images of Stockpile and three others in this [http://imgur.com/a/x3e8U imgur album]–Feint (expanded detail example), Extrasensory (where the 'short' one is actually longer), and Splash (another 'expanded detail' one, but both have a fair amount of fluff). There have been a few descriptions added already (mainly starter moves) and they've all used the short one, but I wanted to make sure I'm doing the most desirable thing before I put the effort into documenting them all. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:57, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:I don't really know. I haven't played Super Mystery Dungeon or very much of Gates to Infinity, so I haven't really helped with their coverage. In the older Mystery Dungeon games there are two descriptions for items (one very short, one full length), and I had been using the full-length descriptions on item pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::I see. I'm not familiar with the older Mystery Dungeon games, so it's interesting that something similar existed there. I noticed earlier today while working on the item pages that the people who had been editing those pages had been using the short descriptions for SMD, though in most cases those descriptions are very similar. That said, after looking at the entries for old games and comparing them to the SMD ones, it looks like the full-length ones were used for the old games, and more information than I thought was being lost with the shorter ones, so I think I'll go with the full-length ones. Thanks for answering! [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 04:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to chime in, I've been using the long descriptions for the items I've been editing. At first, I wasn't aware of the short version so while I was editing I was confused about where people had gotten a different item description than me, so I changed them. I only realised later, but I've stuck to the long ones for now, but many of the item descriptions haven't been reverted to the long version. I agree that going for the long one has less risk of losing information.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Ah, I didn't realize that, so thanks for the heads up. I'll probably be doing more SMD additions today, so I'll be sure to double-check the Health Drink page (where I made those edits) first. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:42, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

== Struggle and recoil ==

UPC says that Struggle does not have recoil damage from Gen IV onward, and every other effect we have that affects recoil does not affect the self-inflicted HP loss from Struggle. And Struggle's effect contradicts our definition of recoil, as it is not depending on the damage dealt. Struggle's description never says recoil, and the in-game description does not call it recoil. So I could only imagine you mean/checked the message, and that that's just the standard recoil message that says "recoil"? In which case, I guess we should separate Struggle recoil from any other recoil, and just say that Struggle is also said to have recall, even though it... hasn't. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:When you use Struggle in battle, it says "''<Pokémon> was damaged by the recoil''", just like every other recoil move. Its recoil damage is calculated in a different way to other recoil moves (except {{m|Shadow End}}) and it's not affected by Abilities that affect other recoil moves, but the game calls it recoil so that's what it is. Struggle is clearly a special-case move, so I think it being an exception to these effects makes perfect sense.
:It's also worth noting that the move descriptions for recoil moves are worded the same way as Struggle's (not that you can ever see Struggle's move description in-game). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, fair point. Well, technically, it isn't the same recoil than the others; so Rock Head's description, for example, is either refering to specifically the non-Struggle "recoil" variant, or does only refer to "some" recoil it can protect from. Does that mean that you think we should do what I just proposed, or do you think we should redefine our recoil definition (and make a special case for Struggle post-GenIII)?
::Worth noting that {{m|Overheat}} and its variations also mention "recoil" in their descriptions. Would you prefer to include that on the page? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Ability descriptions tend to try to be very concise because they don't have much room (particularly in older games). Struggle is an exception, but Ability descriptions don't tend to note exceptions; the Shadow moves that inflict recoil are also both exceptions to Rock Head. Also, Struggle calculated recoil damage the same way as other recoil moves did in Gen III, but it still wasn't affected by Rock Head.
:::I don't think Overheat is referring to the same concept (notably it doesn't say "recoil ''damage''", just "recoil"). I wouldn't be surprised if the description didn't consistently use the word used for recoil damage across languages (although it might anyway).
:::As for what to do, my suggestion would be to fix the recoil page to correct the definition of recoil. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Descriptions seem to be consistent across languages (checked Japanese and German). I guess the concepts may be related (negative effect of using a move), but they obviously aren't all the same. Anyway, our description says it's damage, as does the pokemon.com glossary that we encountered at Multi Battle.
::::I'll be redefining then, if you don't mind. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Not that it matters anymore since we seem to have reached a consensus, but that page also says ''Struggle also causes recoil damage equal to 25% of the attacking Pokémon's maximum HP.'' --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Ok, even better then. And I guess one just cannot share ''too'' much relevant information in any constructive discussion. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

==Edit war==
Can you check this edit war about the order moves should be listed: [[User_talk:VioletPumpkin#ORAS order]]. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 17:06, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[Ash's Donphan]] trivium intervention request ==

If it's not too much trouble, could I ask you to please take a look at the last few revisions of [[Ash's Donphan]] and give your opinion? I'd like a ruling from someone higher up so I don't have to go back and forth with Force Fire on a talk page, since frankly in the past few weeks he seems to have developed a vendetta against me. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:I agree that the previous trivium was both vague and too specific (although those terms seem contradictory). I think [[Special:Diff/2493233|this edit]] brings it to a reasonable point. I'm not sure about restricting it to just Oak's lab though: Charizard's return from Charific Valley was certainly in the same spirit.; it also excludes Pokémon the Series: Black and White, in which Ash effectively has more than 6 Pokémon on hand by rotating them between his party and Juniper's lab. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
::I was about to come here and say "never mind" after seeing that Force Fire re-adjusted it, but yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:48, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Go Pokedex Data ==

Are we going to add pokedex data for Pokemon from Pokemon GO ? [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:06, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
: I was planning on adding the data, but wanted to confirm and know where the data gets added [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
::The Pokédex entries are all taken from Omega Ruby, so there's no point listing them again. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:08, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

== Stadium 2 Pokédex data ==

I am fairly sure Stadium 2 does not have its own entries. It loads Generation II entries; in case of Gold and Silver it seems to load the opposite version's (Crystal uses Gold's, apparently); using Red seems to load Gold's, Yellow has Silver's; haven't checked Blue yet. I am not sure if it depends on the game version or it randomizes for each Trainer ID (considering Crystal loads Gold's, even though Stadium 2 and Crystal had simultaneous release in Japan, so was it a translation thing?) [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:02, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
:I believe you've mentioned this before. In any case, there's not much to do about it until we actually know how it gets them. It's also worth noting that [[Pikachu (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries_3|our article for Pikachu]] has different capitalizations for "Berries" between Gold and Stadium 2. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
::I think I've mentioned it few years ago. I am mentioning it again because GO's case reminded me of it. Pikachu entry is the same in both games - it is BERRIES and not Berries or berries. The old games formatted certain words like this (it wasn't dropped entirely until Generation V as far as I know). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I figured there was an error on that page and it wasn't an actual difference. I have to focus on the Nintendo Direct now though, and I'm quite busy with other IRL stuff, so this isn't something I'm concerned about right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:38, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

== Uploading images in Bulbagarden Archives ==

Hi. I am recently contributing on Pokemon Adventures articles -- mostly with Vietnamese translation. I notice that there are missing covers for some volumes and would love to contribute by uploading/adding cover pictures of these volumes, but then Bulbagarden Archives stated that I am not an autoconfirmed user there so I cannot really do that. But since that place is a place to add pictures (it seems so to me, sorry if I am wrong), what should I do to become an autoconfirmed user there? Thank you very much for your time and I am sorry if this bothers you. [[User:Saphir|Saphir]] ([[User talk:Saphir|talk]]) 10:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

== Inquiry on news article deletion... ==

I've started [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/question-about-a-deleted-article.219095/ a thread] on your deletion of the article I started on the Special Sun & Moon Edition Light Blue 2DS, and have mentioned the deletion as unfair. $aturn¥oshi said that I should inquire with you. - '''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]''''' 16:33, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:I saw the thread, and I don't get it. I gave you my reason for deleting the page, which based on the thread you have seen. Why do you think that was unfair? (I should note that I did appreciate the effort you put into the article, but there's a certain minimum timeliness we need for covering news.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

== Effect sections etc. ==

This is a bunch of things, but I'll try to keep this short. I would kindly ask you to answer the first question, and I would appreciate if you took some time to answer any of the others, too.
# Do you believe that it would be worth the effort/time to go through all "Effect" sections (or those of moves) in an attempt to standardize them better? (That's not a leading question!)
# I've been creating [[User:Nescientist/Effect section guideline|this]], and I believe that's what it should ''ideally'' be. (It's delibarately non-strict for some aspects, but it still seems incompatible with the current state of Effect sections sometimes.) Eridanus notified me he [[User_talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/7#Moves_articles|talked to you]] earlier, so if there's any go-to guy, it might be you. Do you agree?
# What's the current guidelines that are implicitly in effect? (I hope you get what I mean.)
# I intend to edit some Effect sections in the near future (if you're interested and not already aware, you could check Tiddlywinks' talk). So I've been thinking I could try to simultaneously standardize/simplify them better. If the "current guidelines" are not the "ideal" ones, which ones should I use? (I guess this question might be question 1 actually, and sneakily asks for some coordination/assistance. ''If'' there's plans/desire to change "current" to "ideal" for move effects, now might be a good opportunity.)

Additionally, while I'm here, could I ask you to possibly reply [[Bulbapedia talk:Project ItemDex#Item template inclusion|over here]] (you're listed as a contact)? It's not a top priority, and I won't start a lengthy discussion if you just don't know, but I would like to ensure this didn't simply go unnoticed. Thanks! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:36, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

== Policy question regarding mid-generation egg move parent updates on Pokémon pages ==

Recently, an edit was made on {{p|Alomomola}} that (correctly) added Corsola as a possible parent to pass Endure. Corsola could not learn Endure by level up until B2W2, but by checking Alomomola's Gen V learnset page, I saw that Corsola was not listed as a possible parent there, nor is it listed in the Gen V learnset page of most other Pokémon it could pass its 'new' B2W2 moves to. A similar situation arose with ORAS, where many Pokémon became new potential parents of some moves, but only some pages added them. As you know, the move pages have split columns to better note things like this, but the by breeding sections on the species pages do not. Since I couldn't find information on the correct way to handle this, and because I'd like to help keep things consistent, I'd like to ask if you know what the correct way is (either including the new parents, not including them, or something else)? Thanks! [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

== Moves that power up ==

Could you align the category's wording and the moves that are in that category (one way or the other)? You may or may not be aware, but doubling in damage is not ''exactly'' doubling in power. And you may or may not be aware of [[User:Nescientist/Damage|this]], where I've also been collecting info like that. If I knew what the deal was, I'd be willing to help (also see the above section). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:Could you go through and correct the wordings of appropriate moves to either "power" or "damage"? (Or just pick one, as you seem to be suggesting I do.) You're clearly much more familiar with the distinction than I am. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:59, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::The wording you just added was fine. (And I plan to go through all of them at some point.) It's just that the category "Moves that power up" currently says they "increase in base power". I was wondering if that wording should be changed, or whether the moves that actually double ''in damage'' should be in another category or something. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::If the moves are more accurately described as ''increasing in damage'' than ''increasing in power'', then please change that; I don't know which it is. If you know which applies for each move, then I think splitting the category into those two would be reasonable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:40, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks, then let's stick to "Moves that power up" only including moves that are most accurately described as increasing in power; I will edit your additions where appropiate. For those moves that most accurately increase in damage, I believe Tiddlywinks might have had something in mind for the future, so I will not create a new category for now. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Keep in mind that there were already moves in "Moves that power up" that were equivalent to the moves I added, such as {{m|Gust}} and {{m|Twister}}.
:::::I don't get why you're categorizing {{m|Stored Power}} as both variable power and a move that powers up: what is different about it to all the other moves? It's the only move in the "Moves with variable power" category that has a fixed power (i.e. not — in-game).
:::::I think you may as well categorize them now, so we don't have to go find them again later whenever Tiddlywinks wants to make his new category. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Ah, that's what made you add it to the others!? I don't know why Tiddlywinks added them; I presume he was just mistaken when he did (as he ''explicitly'' didn't add Earthquake). I didn't see them when I checked; I will remove those.
::::::For Stored Power, Tiddlywinks might have added "Moves with variable power" for a technical reason: it's a trigger that modifies its ''power'' (see [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula here]). You added the "powers up" because it gets greater than advertised. I've kinda said to Tiddlywinks that I'd prefer to go that label-route; but I also don't like to ''undo'' what others have done without their consent (if it's a debatable thing).
::::::For the category, I'm gonna create it once I can come up with an idea for its name. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Now I recall/know: Tiddlywinks wasn't in error, Gust and Twister apparently technically ''do'' work differently than Earthquake etc. I've reworded their prose. (They work like Earthquake, Magnitude, Surf and Whirlpool have worked in the past; I edited their prose as well and also added them to the category.)
:::::::And on Stored Power, you were right; if Gust isn't variable power, neither is Stored Power.
:::::::And if it's ok, I would like to wait for the category until I/we get to more/all moves; for now, it's just Earthquake, Magnitude, Surf and Whirlpool, and the complete list of "increases damage (directly)" is on my user page already (well, hopefully). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::{{m|Stored Power}} is not (or was not, I'll go back to it in a moment) the only move in {{cat|Moves that have variable power}} with a numeric power value, {{m|Water Spout}} has it as well and would probably be a terrible fit for moves that "power up". IMO, moves that power up should basically be something that's either "X" power (normally) or "X*mult" power (in most cases *2, but the multiplier itself should not really ''vary''). I consider moves like {{m|Rollout}} and {{m|Fury Cutter}} close enough because they "power up" with successive uses, building very steadily/reliably. Stored Power's power '''varies''' based on however many stat stages the target has. You could use Stored Power for the first time and you might get its base power or its base power times 2 or 3 or 43; to me, that's very much "variable". Stored Power does not at all fit an image of a move that's "powering up" IMO. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:46, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I forgot, but it seems you (SnorlaxMonster) also wanted to sort out these categories "neatly" so you could use them on {{a|Forewarn}}. If it weren't for {{m|Eruption}} and Water Spout, I'd be happy to agree with you, but it's ''very'' hard to reasonably exclude them from a category for "variable power". I was a little unhappy that it couldn't be that neat myself, but I also consider it more valuable to actually have a place where the moves that can truly have varying power can all be found together. I think if we want a category for only physical/special moves with "—" for power, that should perhaps be something like ''Moves that do not have a fixed power''. On the other hand, though, if the table on Forewarn is going to list all the applicable moves anyway, then linking to a category/categories is probably kind of pointless anyway; you can just describe them as "Moves that have a power of '—'" without actually losing anything vital. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::There was another reason (strange factor); had I known, I wouldn't have removed it. Anyway, just focusing on Stored Power, I still feel like "higher than the label says" might be "powered up" (and it uses ''the user's'' stat stages). Unless I'm mistaken, that's the case for all moves that power up, but not for any other move. Unless they're meant to be mutually exclusive, I would suggest we include both.
::::::::::The new power page looks splendid! (No, really!) Unless someone's faster, I would be taking care of Gen VI Abilities and moves within the next days. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 01:09, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::What I basically meant the "power up" category for was for moves that have a binary condition: multiplier or none. The core of these is very much the things like {{m|Pursuit}}, {{m|Acrobatics}}, {{m|Smelling Salts}}. Rollout and Fury Cutter are a moderate extension therefrom. But Stored Power is very different from these. And "variable power" is basically "the rest".
:::::::::::And it really should be one category or the other. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think the only reasonable way to divide moves between "powering up"/"powering down" and "having variable power" is to split based on whether or not the move has a fixed base power. Anything else and we're getting too subjective. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}I think there's ''something'' valuable in that "subjectivity" that that strict division doesn't allow for. (In part, like I said before, the division you want is really better described like "moves without a fixed power". "Variable" inherently ''invites'' subjective judgement. Better to use something less ambiguous if that's what you really want.) {{m|Magnitude}} is a very interesting case: it normally has variable power, but can also receive a 2x modifier, so a strict division between the current categories wouldn't allow both effects to be noted.

I'll propose this instead: Moves that power up should be a category '''only''' for moves ''exactly'' like {{m|Pursuit}} and {{m|Acrobatics}}: they double in power under a specific condition and never go any higher (i.e., no Rollout/Fury Cutter, no Echoed Voice, no Pledges). (Maybe it would be called something else too, if it's going to be so strictly defined.) Then, ''everything'' else goes under "Moves with variable power", and "Moves that power up" is categorized under that as well. The only possible hitch here is, it may be weird if Magnitude is categorized both as having "variable power" and "powering up", if powering up is itself a subclass of variable power. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:49, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:Wouldn't a category with Pursuit but without the Pledges be pointless?
:I think we only really need the {{tt|categories|I think we don't actually have to have multiple ones, but we should anyway}} for the [[power]] page. In my opinion, "Power up" should be meant to be for those that have a "standard" case but can power up, "variable"/"{{tt|varying|probably better, taken from Magnitude description — it's weird to have "Moves that have variable power" listed under "Variable-power moves"}}" (an unrelated category) for those that do not. How to define what a standard case is in an objective manner is tricky (on the other hand, we do not ''need'' to define that strictly, I guess).
:In my mind, moves with multiple standard cases ({{m|Magnitude}}, {{m|Present}}) and those with a continuous scale ({{m|Eruption}}, {{m|Reversal}}, {{m|Crush Grip}}) are "varying" (that's some kind of definition already, I guess). {{m|Rollout}} and {{m|Magnitude}} should be in both. For {{m|Punishment}}, {{m|Spit Up}} and {{m|Stored Power}}, I don't really care — they could be in either, or both. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Parental Bond Information ==

So, I tested out how Parental Bond works in the main series games, in Generation VI specifically. I tested to see if it did or did not work with moves with a charging turn such as Fly and Solar Beam, via Double Battles, and found that they do not synergize. I feel that you should add this information to the article of Parental Bond, because I cannot. --[[User:KibiaXI|KibiaXI]] ([[User talk:KibiaXI|talk]]) 07:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
:It is already on the page. "''Moves with a charging turn only strike once, even if the Pokémon becomes fully charged in one turn (such as with a Power Herb).''" --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:47, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Apologies for bugging you at this ungodly hour for a matter that isn't of necessity. Still, I feel as if links should be given to some moves for example, as the link's blue coloring makes it easier to spot, and it would help elaborate further. Thank you for your time.--[[User:KibiaXI|KibiaXI]] ([[User talk:KibiaXI|talk]]) 08:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
:::It's not an "ungodly hour" for me in Australia, it was late afternoon/evening. I agree, so I've added ''(such as Fly and Solar Beam)''. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:04, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you readd this in obedience? Your edit summary just ends abruptly. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Badge&diff=2527666&oldid=2522856 [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:18, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

== Hiya ==

Not to be a pest, but could you please add Kommo-o to the Pseudo legendary page? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 03:17, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

== Health drink french page ==

Why did Bulbabot re-added [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Health_drink&oldid=2552492&diff=prev this] after I removed it? This is wrong, the page it links to is the french page of [[Lookalike_Item#Mix_Elixir]]. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 08:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:BulbaBot synchronizes the links between the different language wikis. If you want BulbaBot to stop doing that, you need to remove the link from the French wiki (which I have just done). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
::Exactly what I thought ! Thanks ! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 09:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

==Game Locations==
Something that has been bugging me is the [[Regional variant]] and how this affects the Game locations area of the pages for the Pokémon who have Alola variants and how I think they need minor improvements to help make it easier for people to understand that information on finding that Pokémon is not for the original version, but for the Alola version which would therefore require trade. The biggest issue regards the original Raichu, Exeggutor, and Marowak as none of them can be found without trading as it is impossible evolve into those forms in Sun and Moon. Doesn't need to be dealt with now, but I do think it should be in the future. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 03:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Go South Asia ==

Should information about the Release of Pokemon GO be added to the ''Games'' section of the ''Pokémon in South Asia'' page??? If yes, then that info will have to be added by an administrator... → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 15:27, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

== Toyland ==

I am going t recreate the Toyland article but first, is Toyland the world rumble blast is set in or a specific area? [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 06:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:If you don't know the answer to that question, you might not be the best person to create the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
::It's fine, I just found out now that is the world rumble blast takes place in. [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 06:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== Pasting from other articles ==

Sorry if I'm bothering you but is copying and pasting from other articles on this site OK?
oops I forgot to sign [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 11:13, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:It is acceptable to use content directly from other Bulbapedia articles in Bulbapedia articles, but make sure you credit the source article in your edit summary. However, it is not acceptable to use content taken from other fansites. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== My edit ==

What was wrong with my edit for the Pokémon sun and moon section of the Pokémon 20th anniversary page? [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 17:58, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Nevermind, It's just a restructuring of my edit.

== New pages notability ==

I was wondering, imagine some very abstract Bulbapedia editor is dreaming of (high-quality) mainspace articles on subjects such as
* Nebby,
* Aura (game mechanic, the UB and Totem thing),
* Confusion (status condition; just imagine there'd be a whole lotta details),
* Affection (may be a possibility to intersect Amie and Refresh),
* Template:ZMoveInfobox (in a similar vein to {{de|Perfektes Pika-Projektil|how the German wiki handles that}}),
* Target,
* anything, in general/by extension,
and that they're also able and willing to provide at least one of that, but they'd like to avoid putting in work for articles that turn out to be either unnotable or userspace endlessly, what would they be supposed to do? Asking for a friend, of course. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:29, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:Normally, if there's a topic of questionably notability, I like to build it in the userspace to establish notability (although I do have a lot of pages that are intended for mainspace but have sat in my userspace for ages). If you can build a detailed page in the userspace that's not just full of fluff and within scope (i.e. related to Pokémon), it's unlikely to get rejected. (Fun fact: Confusion is on a list of page ideas on a post-it note that has sat next to my desktop approximately since [[Talk:Status condition#Each major status ailment in its own article?|we gave status conditions their own pages back in 2010/2011]].) If you want to make sure your userspace page you think should be mainspaced doesn't get forgotten, it's a good idea to poke a staff member (feel free to come to me with this kind of thing, although depending on the topic you might be more successful by asking the appropriate Editorial Board member). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. While I do understand that, for Aura for example, I'm not 100% sure it is notable myself. That's a case where someone should do research quite a bit, which is a potential waste of time. And for others one might not be able to judge how notable it ''turns out to be'' beforehand. And even if ''I'' think it turned out to be notable, is there some way I can ensure the EB thinks the same and it wasn't all a waste of time (I'm likely biased if I invested time and effort)?
::So, in case of doubt, I can ask an appropriate staff member beforehand, on a case by case basis, and that staff member then might be able to guarantee that, if the article is of decent quality, it ''will'' get mainspaced?
::Can you tell me how notable/relevant/sensible you think the things I've listed are? (For me to maybe scratch them off my list of "should be created... eventually".)
::Status conditions are what I want to do next, so once I've started a userpage on confusion, please be my guest. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Normally, if a page requires a lot of research but isn't notable, then the information would simply be placed on other pages, so it wouldn't be entirely a waste.
:::You can certainly ask beforehand, but if they're unsure, what's typically going to happen is the staff member will tell you to create a draft to show how such a page could look. For example, I really don't see what content you could even have on an "Aura" page, so right now I don't think it's notable, but if you went and did a lot of research and actually made a page of a decent length, you could convince me it is.
:::For my personal opinions on your list:
:::*Nebby: would certainly be notable
:::*Aura: Convince me there is actually content that would be on this page. I can imagine a list of the auras each Totem Pokémon/Ultra Beast has, but I don't really know what else there would be.
:::*Confusion: As I mentioned earlier, I certainly think there's enough information there for a page.
:::*Affection: I was the one who [[Talk:Pokémon-Amie#Affection split|nominated the split]] last year, but since it only applied to Amie it didn't happen. Now that it's some shared stat between Amie and Refresh I think there is more of an argument, but the same could be said about of lot of the mechanics of both minigames.
:::*Template:ZMoveInfobox: I think Z-Moves are probably fine using the same infobox as other moves for now.
:::*Target: Assuming this refers to attack targets, I think a page detailing the game mechanics of targeting would be interesting, although I believe the official term for possible targets is "range" whereas "target" is specifically the Pokémon chosen. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks!
::::*For Aura, I think there wouldn't be a lot information, but we do seem to have independent articles for virtually all other {{cat|game mechanics}} (as far as I know, at least). I'm not trying to convice you, though (and I'm not willing to do research atm), but I had imagined it ''might'' (ideally) be a nice page being linked to.
::::*For Z-Moves, I don't like how messy the type-specific Z-Moves' templates look like, with half the template basically just confusing readers, screaming "READ THE TEXT!" instead of helping.
::::*For target/range, I'd imagined that page to be about both what you select '''and''' what you actually hit/affect, and to differentiate/explain a little. I think I said somewhere before that we often conflate the two, and don't really explain the ''difference'' anywhere (or, that there is one, even). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::[[User:Nescientist/Confusion (status condition)|This]] is all yours. If you want to mainspace it and need help linking to it, I might be able to assist when I'm around; the vast majority should be done in a single edit [[Template:status|here]], though. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:11, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::Just to be sure, I don't need to knock at someone's door, you've taken care, right? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I haven't really done anything with your article yet, no.
:::::::My main concern right now is that it calls confusion a status condition, when it's not despite the way we currently use "status condition" on Bulbapedia. For example, [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/tapu-fini/ Tapu Fini's official site entry] makes sure to mention "status conditions or confusion"; while effects like Full Heal do remove confusion despite only specifying that they heal status conditions, I think we can consider that to be a case of incomplete effect descriptions, like Water Bubble or Gen VI Flower Veil; compare {{a|Guts}}, {{a|Shed Skin}} or {{a|Marvel Scale}}, which are not affected by confusion. There's also stuff like {{a|Leaf Guard}} to consider, which prevent the Pokémon becoming drowsy due to Yawn. Despite that concern, I don't really have an alternative name beyond "status". For the same reason, I'm not entirely sure it belongs on the status condition navigation template. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Maybe what I said/researched [[Talk:Status condition#Volatile status condition vs. volatile battle status|here]] makes it easier then. For the nav template, I don't know or care, so you might want to not add it precautiously. Thank you anyway. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I can see how we're using it (and how you've been using it recently) to only mean non-volatile. I think mentioning that it is sometimes called a status condition is the correct way (roughly similar to how we treat Eevee at [[Eeveelution]]). [[Talk:Status condition#Page reorganization / split proposal discussion|This proposal]] is also related to the confusion thing; in addition, it's also something I wouldn't want to start working on in my userspace unless there's indications of it being mainspace at some point. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::To notify you of what you'll see anyway: [[User:Nescientist/Nebby|Nebby]]. I'd recommend adding it at {{template|NPC}}, too. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 23:00, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} It's great to see Affection in the mainspace, and I really don't know whether you're the right person to yell at, but isn't mainspacing Nebby.. just as urgent (or even more urgent)? I feel like there's value wasted, every day. Could you somehow.. get it going, please? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:06, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

== Other wiki websites ==

You have listed other Nintndo wikis in your userspace. Do you contribute to those wikis as much as you contribute here? If ''so'', then you are '''the ultimate wiki contributor'''.

(also how do you change text color and change colors in your name?) --[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 10:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:No, I do not contribute to the other wikis I link to as much as Bulbapedia. Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia is the only wiki on which I have activity comparable to my activity on Bulbapedia.
:If you want to change your signature, you can do so at [[Special:Preferences]]. If you want to change the color, you'll need to check the "Treat the above as wikicode" box. If you want to know how to add colors, you're free to look at the code of my signature, which you can do by viewing the edit window on any talk page that my signature is on (including this one).
:Also, there's no need to make headers bold and italic. As long as you mark them as headers (using the equals signs, which creating a new section automatically does), the software will automatically bold them for you. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

== Increased priority ==

I thought I'd check this with you before I edit multiple pages all of which you might want to edit afterwards. I'd like to improve the priority moves' wording, they seem to be pretty Gen I centric, and have likely carried over to where they don't fit. Assuming we want to be this specific at individual move pages (which is not what I'd personally be going for), I suggest:
Quick Attack inflicts damage, and is an increased [[priority]] move. If no other Pokémon uses an increased priority move during the turn Quick Attack is used, Quick Attack will go first regardless of the user's {{stat|Speed}}. If multiple Pokémon use a move with an increased priority of +1 during the same turn, their move order will be determined normally.
I have no idea what that other paragraph with sleep and freeze is supposed to say. Do you know? (I'm inclined to believe it's only for Gen I, and also not important?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:I think most of the explanation can be left on the priority page. Maybe even just:
Quick Attack inflicts damage. It has a [[priority]] of +1, so is used before all moves that do not have increased priority.
:I remember reading about that sleep/freeze thing for Gen I recently, actually. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvk_8yTyscU Here's a video explaining it.] From Gen II onward, you can actually select moves while asleep/frozen, so you move at the priority of the selected move rather than the last selected move. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::Yes, great, that's what I'd personally be going for; so that's what I'll do then. I'll remove virtually everything but a link to priority, and that extra paragraph at Quick Attack. The sleep/freeze thing was what I had in mind, but because that was on all priority moves (not just Quick Attack), I thought I might've missed something. Thank you! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

== Can you please add [[Thousand Arrows]] to [[Template:TypeEffectiveness]]? ==

On [[Oricorio]]'s page:

If Gravity is in effect, this Pokémon is given an Iron Ball or a Ring Target, or it is affected by Smack Down or Ingrain, the effectiveness of Ground-type moves is 2×.

Thousand Arrows would also break this rule.[[User:Pumpkinking0192]] suggests changing the whole thing to if the Pokemon is [[grounded]]. Anyway, can you please update this? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:06, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

== Re: ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Wela_Volcano_Park&diff=2572703&oldid=2572700]

Can you direct me to the guideline where ''The italics is supposed to be the translation of the Japanese name'' is laid out? As I mentioned in my edit summary, I have been unable to find it. [[BP:MOS]] doesn't appear to say anything like that.

''The Hepburn romanization is not particularly useful for anyone'' also doesn't appear to be mentioned there, and as far as I can tell it simply is not true. This is an English-language wiki that does not appear to assume Japanese literacy on the part of its readers, so the Japanese text without a romanization is illegible to our readers and therefore practically useless (and depending on encoding might not even display properly, although I have never had this problem myself). There's actually a control for this -- why do we give the HP and RR for the Chinese and Korean names, respectively, at the bottom of the article? The only difference is that those languages aren't relevant to the topic except as random trivia.

[[User:Satorukun0530|Satorukun0530]] ([[User talk:Satorukun0530|talk]]) 17:23, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

== I don't understand the Aura Break thing. ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability&curid=60392&diff=2576839&oldid=2576835 | Undo revision 2576835 by Unowninator (talk) ''It's easier to treat Aura Break and Power Construct as a pair of standard Abilities, even if they're not technically implemented that way'']

Can you please elaborate? I don't understand what you mean. Also, I hate to be a bother, but you never responded to that Thousand Arrows thing. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 07:25, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

== Trivia and Force Fire ==

Sorry to bother you, but I'm having trouble with {{u|Force Fire}}, who refuses to listen to what I'm trying to say and instead is making counterarguments for something completely different. I've tried to remove a couple of blatantly out-of-date trivia points on [[Flying (type)]] that haven't been true for three to six years, but Force Fire's counterarguments are all about whether the outdatedness is visible in the tables or not. Can you intervene one way or the other, please? Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

== Regarding the [[Sun and Moon Shards]] ==

I was about to [[BP:SPADING|spade]] the Sun and Moon Shards article, when I noticed that you made a few edits back in November. I just wanted to double check and ask if it was confirmed that Eevee needs a high friendship or not to evolve in XD. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 08:38, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
:I made all the pages say what I believe to be the correct method. I haven't personally tested it though, so it would be worthwhile checking. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:33, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
::I've checked it, friendship is required. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:26, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

== Environment pages ==

So I've decided to [[User:Eridanus/Platform|dig back it from userspace]]{{tt|*|though the name still mentions platforms. Will probably treat Colosseum and Gale of Darkness as the same; I think Gale reuses assets for old places?}}. Did we create any naming standards for filenames of these? [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
:Uh, I've just been using images that were uploaded for other purposes. If there wasn't one, I uploaded the image to an external site instead. It's probably fine to upload environment images directly though. There's currently no naming scheme.
:Notice that on my page, the headers only group environments that have the same effects (other than terrain effects, but they're special). That was a very deliberate choice. On yours, they have several different effects in one.
:BTW, I notice you say that Gen VII is coming soon. I've actually got a spreadsheet detailing the whole game, but haven't put it on Bulbapedia yet (and it's missing Secret Power for everything but Ultra Space, since the only way to use it right now is via Metronome, as well as Burmy). The main reason I haven't put it up yet is due to not playing the post-game yet. However, another tricky part is that the floor mattering more than the background means I can't really lay it out the same way as I did Gen VI. I'm also working on another major set of research for Bulbapedia at the moment (that is incredibly close to finish). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
::Oh, okay. I haven't noticed that pattern. Should I apply them to Generation III? The mechanic works differently there (I think it's the same in Generation IV and V, but haven't checked), being based on player's tile most of the time (while Orre works the same way as Generation VI, which is why it got the labels). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:03, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I'd recommend trying to group them, yes. Note that on my page, some identical sets of effects were split across two headers. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:05, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Before moving to Generation IV, there is Mystery Dungeon, with a total of about 62 tilests (2 of which are unused), plus special tilesets for certain bosses. Besides trying to come up with some kind of name for [http://imgur.com/a/0RLjb all of them], there's the fact that some are a bit of a mess{{tt|*|Snowy and icy areas don't exactly have their own sets, as they just change Camouflage from Normal to Ice, otherwise reusing Secret Power and Nature Power from one of the other 3 sets; caves are split among two sets; and few tilesets break the pattern - an aquatic area uses one of the cave areas effects, a foresty area uses sandy areas effects and a snowy area uses 'regular' set}}. Some tilesets make a return in Explorers (like the two that went unused), so it'll probably be merged similar to what I plan to do with Orre. All were ripped and uploaded to [https://www.spriters-resource.com/game_boy_advance/pokemonmysterydungeonredrescueteam/ Spriters Resources] so I am asking what should be the picture for PMD, considering dungeons are randomized. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::You really just need an example of the tileset in use. Just because it appears in a formation that another person might never see should be irrelevant. Also, if you're working on PMD, you might find [http://imgur.com/a/lO8sl this page from the EoS guidebook] useful. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

== SOS Battle page ==

Why did you undo my edit on the SOS Battle page concerning weather? I linked my source appropriately to a page on the OFFICIAL Pokémon website and on that page where it talks about SOS battles in different weather conditions, it explicitly says that weather called in by moves or abilities do not affect the potential SOS allies in an area. If the official Pokémon website isn't a reliable, accurate source of information, then what is? Bulbapedia is a useful resource but when the official Pokémon site directly contradicts it, the Official Pokémon site is probably the more reliable source in any given case, so I'm going to place my edit back until such a time you can link to a source about the disputed detail that proves the information on the official Pokémon website is incorrect, because there was no source given about the detail prior to my edit. [[User:GeniusMike|GeniusMike]] ([[User talk:GeniusMike|talk]]) 16:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC) GeniusMike
:In my reversion, I directed you to look at [[Talk:SOS Battle|the talk page for the SOS Battle page]]. On that talk page, there is a section titled {{DL|Talk:SOS Battle|Weather ally change in v1.1}} currently discussing this matter. The conclusion the people discussing the topic there came to was that the official Pokémon site contradicted the way the game works, possibly as an attempt to simply the explanation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== Reverted changes regarding battery life of Gen II cartridges ==

Please refer to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Tiddlywinks#Old_reverted_changes_in_Crystal_.26_Silver_and_Gold_articles Tiddlywinks' talk page] for some discussion. --[[User:Black Eagle|Black Eagle]] ([[User talk:Black Eagle|talk]]) 16:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== Possible Sockpuppeting ==

I recently saw that a user called Pikachu21843 had recently made an edit to a page and then I noticed that a previous user had a very similar name with an extra 8 in the name. This seems like it could be a case of sockpuppeting. Either that or the newest user copied the older users title and just added/subtracted an 8, but that seems pretty weird, so I thought I should just bring this to your attention. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 12:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:Just a heads up, are both users still active or has one account been blocked? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 01:09, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
::The user actually told me which was their main account the same day I left a message on their talk pages. I completely forgot to block the extra account. It's blocked now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

== Zygarde ==

I have tried contacting ForceFire and Tiddlywinks about this but have yet to get a solid response on what to do. This is what I sent to Tiddlywinks:

"As I'm sure you know, there has been some discussion for the last year or two about Zygarde's place as a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal, and the reasoning behind why we haven't included it. ForceFire said that a main reason is "lack of game or anime evidence". When I contacted ForceFire about SS036, which I believe has evidence proving Zygarde is indeed part of the trio, he said "I have an extremely limited understanding of the Japanese language and am not going to follow what fansubs say, since they usually take liberties. But I will bring it up with the other staff members and we will discuss it". (This was when there was no English dub.) Now that there is an English dub, I tried contacting him two or three days ago, and he hasn't responded. Could you give some feedback?"

Could you either give a response on what to do, or get ForceFire to answer my question on his talk page? (He has answered the question under mine but not yet mine.) --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 17:19, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:This is currently being discussed. ForceFire or Tiddlywinks will let you know when a decision has been reached. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:45, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::Good to hear. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 03:45, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

== Nightmare glitch ==

Some time last year, I discovered a glitch involving {{m|Nightmare}} while watching a YouTube video about {{game|Crystal}}. I've left a link to that video {{talk|here|List of glitches in Generation II}}. Basically it was along the lines of a Full Heal being used on a sleeping Pokémon being affected by Nightmare, but the effect of Nightmare continuing after that despite the Pokémon not being asleep anymore. This may need some research, but I recall it not being on the glitch list, so I thought I'd bring it to someone's attention. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:[[List of glitches in Generation II#Nightmare damage bug|It looks like it has been added]]. Chickasaurus credits you in the video description. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:41, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::I had actually done some research a few weeks ago, and adjusted the wording at Nightmare after I had examined the disassembly (and in a few moments, I'll also adjust the glitch page). It seems to happen because the item heal routine removes the Nightmare status from the player's active Pokémon regardless of who used the item (and whom it subsequently cured of sleep). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:::So in that case, if the player's Pokémon was somehow afflicted by Nightmare when the opponent uses a Full Heal or Full Restore, the player's Pokémon would also be cured on Nightmare? I'm not sure if there are any NPCs with Full Heals/Full Restores that could inflict Nightmare on your Pokémon however (even with Metronome/Mirror Move/Mimic). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:38, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::::Rereading the code from my edit summary, the same seems to hold true for bad poison as well, such that when your Pokémon is badly poisoned and the opponent uses ''any status healing item'' (!), your Pokémon will become regularly poisoned. Both may be hypothetical cases, however, I don't know. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:49, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::For bad poison, several of Koga's Pokémon know Toxic, and since he's an Elite Four member he probably uses Full Restores, so that case might actually be possible to check. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:52, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::My save file is lost, but if you're able to check it, maybe also try to become confused when the opponent uses a Full Heal/Full Restore and see whether you're cured of confusion. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::[http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php?topic=7840.0 Apparently], that code is only called when the player uses a Full Heal. The [https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/050a0162b89c645c4a2a3ed311c4da791fb3de6c/battle/ai/items.asm#L756 function that is used when the AI uses a Full Heal/Full Restore] cures the opponent's Pokémon of bad poison. The [https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/050a0162b89c645c4a2a3ed311c4da791fb3de6c/battle/ai/items.asm#L577 function for when an opponent uses a Full Restore] also cures the Pokémon of confusion, but [https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/050a0162b89c645c4a2a3ed311c4da791fb3de6c/battle/ai/items.asm#L566 the opponent's Full Heal function] does not. Apparently, this is likely due to the fact that the Full Heal/Full Restore don't cure confusion or Nightmare in Generation I and the code wasn't updated properly. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:43, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there goes my credibility. What they say makes sense, and I agree to that. It was a month ago, and I thought I had tracked it down to that function straight from the AI, but it appears I have not (correctly). I'm sorry for the confusion. In case there you know of an AI opponent that uses Full Heals, you might want to update the glitch page accordingly. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:44, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::As demonstrated by the Nightmare glitch, Claire definitely uses Full Heals. Still, it would be a good idea for someone to double-check in-game that opponents' Full Heals don't cure confusion and that opponents' Full Restores do cure confusion but not Nightmare. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:17, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

== The Tapu ==

A few things about the Tapu/Guardian Deities/Land Spirits:

1. We really should come up with a consensus on whether we move Guardian Deities to Tapu or not. Personally, I think we should, because "Tapu" is used frequently in game AND is used frequently by the fans.

2. We should add the Tapu (and the UBs and Type:Null/Silvally, for the matter) to the Legendary and Mythical Pokémon template. We know that all of those Pokémon are either Legendary or Mythical, and the template does not differentiate between the two.

What do you think? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:17, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

== Regarding Present ==

Just a few thoughts and questions. First, considering that the behavior of healing is different between GS, C, and Stad2, shouldn't that be noted or am I misunderstanding the wording that is being used? Secondly, I figured that it would be better to start with how Present works in GS and then go to C and Stad2. May I ask why that is incorrect? (Additionally, there is now duplicated text in the Generation II section, but what should be changed could depend on the answer to my first question.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 08:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
:The page does start with how it works in Gold and Silver now; you changed it so a key part of the Gold and Silver functionality was labelled as exclusive to Crystal. Present can still heal the target in Gold and Silver (as is obvious due to the message given when the target's HP is full), but if it damages the target it uses that unusual damage formula in Gold and Silver only. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:20, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
::I guess I understand what went wrong. Though, I believe that I guess the way it is will have to do. Anyways, I have made a few more edits to the page based on the original source, among other things. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:36, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

== Follow up ==

I spoke to an admin a couple of months ago regarding a situation with user Pikablu and I was instructed to talk it out with the user, and I did so, but I don't believe what he is saying and my suspicions keep rising even after I talked with him. I keep seeing him undo posts of mine, whether it is by editing the page or actually pressing the undo button, when they shouldn't have been done and several minutes ago, I noticed that he added back on SM015 that Professor Kukui's Rockruff is revealed to know Bite and learns Rock Throw, even know I've already said in one of the edits that he never owned Rockruff and that we don't even know if it knows Bite or not. Could you please look into this. I forget what the other example were back then, but I can assure you, they were edits that were done, even though they were not meant to be there, edits that added wrong or speculative information. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 17:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:He just did it again with his latest edit to the Rock Throw page. {{unsigned|Playerking95}}
::Hello? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 06:38, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Based on other similar cases, it looks like on move pages the link should go to [[Ash's Rockruff]] while the display text should be "A wild Rockruff" if it has only used the move before being caught. I can't really comment on whether or not there is sufficient evidence that it knows Bite. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

== Pokémon GO learnsets ==

Would you mind moving your [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Pokémon GO moves]] page into the mainspace preferably under [[List of learnsets in Pokémon GO]]? I think it is mature enough at this point and the data is up-to-date. I am asking you because it is your page. This way it can be linked from the [[Pokémon GO]] page.

— Thanks, [[User:Rmkane|Rmkane]] ([[User talk:Rmkane|talk]]) 19:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== Grammar dispute mediation ==

May I ask for a staff opinion from you, please? Tiddlywinks has asked me to go to someone higher ranked than Force Fire.

Tiddlywinks and Force Fire have been aggressively retaining usage of the incorrect "comprised of." I have numerous sources ([http://grammarist.com/usage/compose-comprise/ 1] [http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/comprise-versus-compose 2] [http://www.businesswritingblog.com/business_writing/2015/01/comprised-of-vs-composed-of-a-test.html 3] for starters, and plenty more can be found with a quick Google search) stating that despite its prevalence, such usage is grammatically wrong. They have not produced even a single source in favor of their argument that it's acceptable. I would be willing to drop this fight if even a single such source is presented, but Tiddlywinks is refusing to do so and unilaterally saying that on this matter, their unresearched ''opinion'' trumps correctness. Can you step in, please? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
:To make it clear for the record, [[User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised]] (which was linked on the other page I linked you before) does point to a couple of dictionaries. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:09, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
::Even if "comprised of" has become an accepted usage, I would still rather we use alternatives in prose. I don't see any reason to revert edits that replace it with some other appropriate phrasing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Could I suggest "consists of"? It seems like a reasonable term, and shouldn't get any dispute as to its grammaticality. --[[User:Felthry|Felthry]] ([[User talk:Felthry|talk]]) 00:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Plenty of the time that's a perfectly reasonable alternative. Of course, the specific wording should be selected based on context. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}}Despite you saying that we should use alternatives, and that there's no reason to revert edits that replace comprise, ForceFire is continuing to revert such edits ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cosmoem_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&curid=218180&diff=2608467&oldid=2608440 1] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Victory_Road_(Kalos)&curid=184472&diff=2608468&oldid=2608441 2] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Veilstone_City&curid=13222&diff=2608469&oldid=2608433 3]). Can you please have a word with him? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:Those were edits by a banned user's sockpuppet, which I assume is why they were reverted. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

== Meteorite key item ==

Would it be okay if I created a userpage of the Meteorite key item as I saw that you created userpages for some items, such as the Exp. Share, and I have some information about the Meteorite sitting on my computer? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:Please do. Meteorite is one of the exceptional cases I've been thinking about how to format, so having an example of how it works would be helpful. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:49, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::I created the page in my userspace. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 01:17, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== Battle Bond Greninja ==
Since no one is checking the new talk page I created for this due to not enough people looking at the Older 500 section on Recent Changes, I'll ask the first active staff member I saw:Isn't the Battle Bond Greninja locked w/a Hardy Nature like it is in the demo? Because someone(most likely reading Smogon's recommended sets and forgetting Showdown bypasses many real-game legality checks due to it being a sim)made it look like it is random, when my transferred one was Hardy(and it was Hardy on my other 3DS as well), so ...can you figure out what is going on there?--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 05:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:I just collected mine, and it had a Hardy Nature; then I reset, moved the Wonder Card to the first slot, and collected it again, and that time it had a Brave nature. Note that I am running v1.0 and I transferred the Wonder Card while I was on v1.0, so those may have impacted this. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:40, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::Did it have Brave in the Demo or in the main Game or both? This requires a lot more research...anyone I can talk to for a deeper, more in-depth look on this from a technical perspective?--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 10:05, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Brave in the main game. I believe it's fixed to Hardy in the demo. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::So if I soft reset my backup Moon file on the 3DS that I primarily play Sun on, I may get Timid like I want? Or should I ask someone else to try it under 1.1 with and w/o the Wonder Card movement as a further test of the mechanics first?--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 10:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::I would speculate that it can be any nature in both v1.0 and v1.1. Just keep collecting it and checking its nature, then soft resetting if it is not the nature you want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, I'll report back to you when I've played the demo again and did the Greninja shenanigans...I wonder if it truly locked into Hardy in the Demo...and is it gender-Locked as well...makes me wonder..again, thank you for helping me and anyone else who got confused by the seemingly locked nature.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 11:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== Template ==

Hello SnorlaxMonster!

I see you've been updating templates and I was wondering if you were going to update template:catalogue? I raised a few issues about it a year ago and I don't know much about templates to fix the issue myself. I've copied-pasted what I wrote on the discussion page for [[List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Dream World]] here:
* The links to the Pokémon Doll catalogue and Plain catalogue actually lead to another redirect. So I suggest the template should be changed to allow for a direct link.
* (This is not really a template issue, but I should raise the issue before changing it) Many of the dolls are grouped according to how they were released in the English Global Link, such as Reshiram, Zekrom and Keldeo, as well as Meloetta, Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. However, many of the Japanese and Korean releases had them released differently. For example, in Japan, while Reshiram and Zekrom were distributed together, Keldeo was actually given out with Meloetta, with Black and White Kyurem coming together in another distribution. In Korea, Reshiram and Zekrom actually came with Pikachu not Keldeo, while Meloetta, Keldeo, Black and White Kyurem all came together. So my suggestion would be split the groups into Meloetta, Keldeo, Reshira & Zekrom, and Black Kyurem & White Kyurem.
Thanks! --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:42, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:I've added the parameter <code>cataloguelink</code> to {{template|Catalogue}}, which should fix your issue.
:That sounds reasonable to me. I'll admit, I'm not the biggest fan of the current template, but it's nowhere near the top on my priorities to change it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you! Yes, definitely not a priority (which is why I left it unchanged for a while), but luckily I already had it written down somewhere --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

== Baby Pokémon ==

I wrote this on the Baby talk page but didn't get a response, so I figured I'd come to a mod

Where does the criteria for baby Pokémon come from. Is it officially stated, or reverse-written by Bulbapedia/fans? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 17:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:It's possible that there is some handbook, guidebook, or page on an official site which defines the term, but I think the Undiscovered evolving into non-Undiscovered Egg Group is a good definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::Given that it was inferred by someone on Bulbapedia, would it be ok to make a similar definition for Legendary Pokémon, or would we just remove it altogether? I think it should be an all-or-none sort of thing. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 03:23, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::I'm not saying it's definitely inferred—it's quite possible that it is officially used, I just haven't checked thoroughly. However, there's no dispute as to what constitutes a baby Pokémon, but there is for Legendary Pokémon, so I don't think it's reasonable to allow fans to define what Legendary Pokémon means.
:::There are fan descriptions of patterns, such as [[pseudo-legendary Pokémon]], which are entirely unofficial names for clear patterns. Legendary Pokémon clearly has a specific official meaning, we just don't quite know it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Alright, thanks. I may ask TPCi someday about how they decide legendary and mythical status, but since they've taken down their online mail bag it's hard to contact them. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:37, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

== Tapu Koko English ==

Can you please release an english version of the Shiny Tapu Koko document so that users in different nations can read them. Glaceon Rules. [[User:Eeveelutionred|Eeveelutionred]] ([[User talk:Eeveelutionred|talk]]) 06:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:Do you mean [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/images/sp/kapu-kokeko/shop.pdf this]? I didn't create it, the Japanese branch of The Pokémon Company did. I have no intention of translating 38 pages of store locations in Japan—it's simply not a worthwhile use of my time. All of the important information is already [[n:Shiny Tapu Koko to be distributed in Japan|in the article]]. If you're going to be in Japan during the time period, chances are most stores from the listed chains are going to participate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks. Sorry for the inconvinience. i understand. Glaceon Rules. [[User:Eeveelutionred|Eeveelutionred]] ([[User talk:Eeveelutionred|talk]]) 00:26, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Page suggestion: a list of city slogans ==

Hey there! I had an idea earlier today for a page that collects all the city slogans so readers can browse them all in one place, instead of having to click on every city's page to see them one by one. I've started a mockup at [[User:Pumpkinking0192/List of city slogans]] and [[User:Pumpkinking0192/Template:CitySlogan]], but it's only filled out enough to be a proof of concept.

I think it's a good idea, but if there's not going to be any staff interest in mainspacing such a page, then I'd rather abandon it now instead of spending an hour or two filling it out. So before I expend that effort, I'd like to ask: do you think it's a good idea? Are the staff likely to be willing to mainspace this concept, or something like it, once it's eventually complete? Are there any structural changes that you want to suggest, especially those that would be easier to make now rather than after all the data's collected? Thanks for your input! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
:Just asking some regular staff (not the Editorial Board), probably only English and Japanese are needed, but otherwise it looks promising. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
::Two things: 1) The page in my userspace is done and ready to go through the Editorial Board's approval process.
::2) As I was gathering the data, I noticed that all Kalos cities have either an "origin" section or a bullet point about the origin, detailing the real-world locations the cities may have been based on. However, no other city articles have this, and in fact in the past couple of months I had removed such a section from a couple of Alola city articles, thinking the precedent was that it should be excluded from city articles and put on [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world]], but in fact it appears there is no consistent precedent. What should be done about this? Should we remove it from the Kalos articles, or add it to all the others? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:47, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
:::I would suggest reformatting the sections. There's a great deal of waste in the separate tables, the always empty "English translation" cell, and other repetition. This is a smarter format:
{| border=1
! City || Games || English || Japanese || Translation
|-
| rowspan=3 | Pallet Town || Generations I and III || blah || なに || ...
|-
| Generation II || blah || なに || ...
|-
| Generation IV || blah || なに || ...
|-
| et cetera...
|}
:::[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:14, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
::::With all due respect, I understand your reasoning, but I'd rather wait and see whether I get a definite yes or no from the EB first, for three reasons:
::::1) That was a lot of work to compile, and I'm not exactly eager to immediately turn around and do a lot more work, especially after I specifically asked SM about "structural changes ... that would be easier to make now rather than after all the data's collected". If the EB asks it, sure, I'll do it, but in the meantime...
::::2) In your suggested layout, certain cities (Azalea most egregiously, but most Kanto/Johto cities tbh) would stretch the table horizontally so far that the table would be considerably wider than most readers' screen resolutions, even on desktops/laptops. Our wiki already has a plethora of tables that are too wide to read easily on mobile; I'd strongly prefer to avoid spreading that problem to desktop view.
::::3) In a perfect hypothetical future, I would love to see the page expanded with all the slogans in every language that the games have been officially released in. That would require the layout I've done (or something like it), with my initial "In other languages" section restored. For now, though, I recognize that's just a pipe dream.
::::But thanks for your concern! None of my three concerns are absolute deal-breakers, so if the EB rejects this layout I'm happy to work with you to try to find a way to reconcile our ideas. Thanks! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:15, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::Feel free to play with your screen size. This isn't "stretching" anything.
{| border=1
! City || Games || English || Japanese || Translation
|-
| rowspan=2 | Azalea Town || Gen. II || Where People and Pokémon Live in Happy Harmony! || ポケモンと　ひとが　ともに　なかよく　くらす　まち || The town where Pokémon and people live happy together.
|-
| Gen. IV || Living Happily with Pokémon || ポケモンと　なかよしの　まち || The town of close friendships with Pokémon.
|-
| et cetera...
|}
:::::I really feel that there's pretty much zero value in slogans in other languages. A lot of simple ''terms'', sure, maybe there's fair value in various languages for those. For whole slogans? I really don't think so. It's basically a quote. We don't really include ''any'' other language for most quote-like things (move descriptions, bag descriptions, etc...); the Japanese for these slogans seems to be the closest thing to an exception, and there's no good reason to go any farther than that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:27, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Huh. The text in your table wraps. I thought our tables generally weren't able to wrap, so I was avoiding even trying that. That's one mystery solved! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:51, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

1) Why do the party templates for Gen VI use the art for the Pokémon and not their sprites? I understand why the Gen VII templates use the art, because not all the sprites are updated, but it seems kind of silly when the other templates use sprites.

2) I think that the sprites for Gen VI and VII should be animated. The other sprites that are animated in game are animated here, and Gen VI animated sprites are available. If you want, I can help get the pictures, but I don't have privileges on Archives. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

== GSC Toxic ==

The issue with Heal Bell and Baton Pass is both that they don't reset the toxic status effect. I added Heal Bell afterwards after finding out it had the same problem as Baton Pass, so the paragraph in the article about it might be a bit awkward. Just a heads up on why it references Heal Bell. --[[User:FIQ|FIQ]] ([[User talk:FIQ|talk]]) 09:59, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Template ==

I noticed that the Gen VII sprites were uploaded, so I made [[User:Celadonkey/Spritebox/7|this]]. Can I mainspace it and put it on the Pokemon's pages? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:37, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

== Glitch Pokémon "in NDex order"? ==

You seem to take issue with excluding glitch Pokémon from a sentence about the list of Gen II Pokémon by index number, citing that "Glitch Pokemon are also in NDex order in Gen II". I don't entirely understand what you mean. Glitch Pokémon aren't at ''all'' in the National Pokédex, right? [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 14:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
:The Pokédex numbers of the glitch Pokémon in Generation II match their index numbers. I suppose they're not technically in the National Pokédex, but I don't think we need to make that clarification since in every way they can, the glitch Pokémon's index numbers match their National Pokédex numbers. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:35, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

== Request ==

Could you please talk to the Grammerfreak. After the latest discussion had ended on my talk page, he posted "Who in the world is this Hull anyway?" in reference to the fact that the character Hull in SM011 had its name changed to Haru and since he's had a habit of attacking me in the past, the post there seems to be pretty petty and unnecessary, so what was the point of him posting it there? Could you talk with him? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 07:15, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
:It's entirely possible Grammerfreak actually didn't know who Hull was. I'm going to {{wp|Wikipedia:AGF|assume good faith}} here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:34, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
:I was hoping to pitch in because I spotted the discussion during a random patrol, and I didn't know the discussion had already ended. My bad. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:44, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

== NIWA ==

Regarding the NIWA, I believe that I now understand that Zelda Wiki is an non-independent member, though as confusing as it is and contradicting the NIWA's about page. (If not, then could you explain what you meant?) Either way and just to make sure, is Zelda Wiki still a member due to being a founding member or just because the change did not change their status? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:24, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
:There's some discussion about what's going to happen with Zelda Wiki inside NIWA. I haven't read the full backlog yet, but at the moment they are still a member. I don't know if that's going to change. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:12, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

==Pseudo-legendaries==

About the description under "Other", Kommo-o doesn't have a type immunity under any circumstances but rather is immune to specific moves(e.g. sound-based moves). I am requesting for a change as I am unable to edit this page as I don't have permission to edit this page.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 07:42, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
:It says type immunities, and while Soundproof and Bulletproof do provide immunities to specific moves, they are not type immunities, so I don't think they need to be noted there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:25, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
::Looking back on my previous message, I saw that I was a bit unclear in what I was trying to say. So can the fact that says that Kommo-o has a type immunity be removed? Also I would like to ask if it would be relevant to mention on Persian's page page that Persian-A is the only single-type fully evolved Alola variant? If not, I will not add this bit of information onto the page.
[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 12:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
:::''Goodra and Kommo-o are the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that do not always have a type immunity.''
:::The article does not currently claim that Kommo-o has a type immunity, so I don't know what you want changed.
:::As for Persian, I think it would be notable if it were the only single-type Alola Form, but since you have to qualify that with "fully-evolved" I don't think it is. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the feedback on the Persian-A issue.
::::What I would like changed is that the sentence ''Goodra and Kommo-o are the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that do not always have a type immunity.'' gets changed to something like "Goodra is the only pseudo-legendary that does not always have a type immunity while Kommo-o is the only pseudo-legendary to not have any type immunity".
::::This is because Goodra may only have an immunity to grass if the ability is Sap Sipper while for Kommo-o, it's type combination and ability does not allow it to have a type immunity. I felt that the sentence ''Goodra and Kommo-o are the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that do not always have a type immunity.'' was implying that Kommo-o COULD have a type immunity when in reality it couldn't on its own.
::::Basically I'm requesting for the page to be edited to only say that Goodra has a type immunity(but not always) while Kommo-o doesn't have any.
::::P.S. Sorry if I sound unreasonable. Just something that is on the page that I wanted to point out[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 14:44, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::I don't think that's necessary. The current statement doesn't imply that both Goodra and Kommo-o can have a type immunity under some circumstances, only that at least one of them does. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:49, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
::::::May I suggest that the line be removed altogether? Generally, our standard for trivia is that we cannot refer to two things as "the only one". Since there are two of them, neither is "the only one" anymore, and the point has become unnecessary. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

== Focus Energy ==

Could you confirm that [[Special:Diff/1746957|this edit of yours]] was just for format/consistency, not based on additional Gen III information? (And that [[Special:Diff/1967375|this edit of yours]] just spread that error?) It is what contradicts [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/content/pokemon-ruby-version-sapphire-version-and-emerald-version-timing-notes.html UPC] and Showdown, who say it's +2 in GenIII already (and I'm quite sure they're trustworthy there). I'd like to change it. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:40, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, that would have simply being me filling in what appeared to be a gap. Also, it's worth noting the critical hit page was split from the [[damage modification]] page (although the history is now located at [[damage]]); [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Damage&type=revision&diff=1438460&oldid=1437470 this] is the diff in which that info was added (the history merge means it's necessary to compare non-sequential edits). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:56, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
::Ok, how should I have known? As that edit says they're not sure either, and I think I already fixed other mistakes in the critical hit page in the past, I'll go change it. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:02, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
:::Yes, in hindsight it would have been a good idea to mention that it was split from there in the edit summary (as I should try and do for these item pages). The [http://www.psypokes.com/lab/criticalhits.php Psypokes page] cited in that edit summary does mention that Focus Energy started boosts by 2 stages in Generation IV, which I imagine is where that information came from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:11, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
::::That page is quite sophisticated, but has a few mistakes/inaccuracies I think I can make up from the Crystal assembly. (And it's also missing Reflect etc.) I'll surely come back to the critical hit page, and maybe I'll try to see if I can confirm that +2 in-game (if only it were easy, and I knew the rest was correct). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:31, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

==Trivia on characters teams==

Would adding trivia on character pages based on their teams typing be relevant e.g. Talonflame being the only Pokemon caught in Kalos not weak to Fairy at their final evolution? Although lots of facts can be extracted, they may seem very irrelevant.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 11:14, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not going to categorically say it's not notable. However, that example you provided certainly isn't, even if it were true (Aegislash is an easy counter-example). I don't think the type effectiveness against Pokémon introduced in a particular generation is notable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
::Sorry, I mis-worded my sentence there. I meant: Ash's Talonflame being the only Pokemon that he had caught in ::Kalos not weak to Fairy at their final evolution.
::Not sure if that would be very notable as well as saying that Jessie's Mimikyu being the only fairy type so ::far to be caught by Team Rocket(although Mime Jr. is a fairy-type, at the time it wasn't.
::Although there can be a lot of trivia said regarding anime characters owned Pokemon typing, some may or may not be irrelevant.
::Sorry for the confusion in my previous statement.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 11:43, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
:::Oh, you meant Ash's Pokémon. I'm not sure about it in that case; it is only one of six, but they are specifically weak to Fairy. As for Team Rocket, I think Mime Jr. should count. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:45, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

== Lillie's quotes ==

Hi. I'm currently doing Lillie's quotes. I saw what happened with Looker having a separate Quote article. I'm wondering if Lillie should be the same too, because I'm not sure the requirements for a separate Quote article. Whether if it's due to being too long, or is it because Looker appears in many different generations of games. If it's due to the length, I think Lillie's quotes are too long to incorporate into her article. So should just I save it on [[Lillie]] first before the decision is made? — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 09:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC) [Edits made on 09:53, 19 April 2017 (UTC)]

==Link issue==
While looking into the Deep Sea Scale and Deep Sea Tooth pages I noticed that Scanner's redirect link only goes to the Key Items for Gen. VI which is bad for the Gen III items. Think we should change it into a disambiguation page? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 04:45, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
:The Scanner should be given its own article. This is an issue with Key Items, and is one of several motivating factors for splitting items to their own articles now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:47, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
:I agree. Also another issue with both the items in Gen. III you can only get one per game and like the fossils you can only pick one (which is a factor they removed in Gen IV.Anyway have a nice night, getting ready for bed. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 04:54, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

== A couple things I wanted ask you about ==

Originally, I was going to ask an admin about only one thing, but while going through the thought process of how to put it, another question came into my mind as well. So, here we go: 
1) A short while ago, I went through different Pokémon character articles to see if there were any capture locations I could pinpoint more accurately than what was already given. In most of the few cases I ran into this, that was pretty easy. But with [[Ash's Gible]] I wasn't 100% sure. Its capture location had apparently been listed as just "Sinnoh" since the article was created, and after some thought, I changed it to "Around {{rt|222|Sinnoh}}". However, since the group was on their way from Mt. Coronet to Sunyshore, which isn't exactly a straight route, I wasn't able to shake off the feeling that it wasn't completely accurate (hence the "around" part). And whenever I'm in doubt, I look for reassurance from someone else. So, what do you think? Is it accurate enough now, or should it be changed? 
2) Speaking of locations, my second question can also be seen as a request. I wondered if a Pokémon was obtained as an Egg, could it be OK to list the location where the Egg was obtained besides just the location where it hatched? Just a thought, but I hope you'll at least consider it. 
Yours truly, [[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:17, 23 April 2017 (UTC).
:1) I think it would be better not to make assumptions about locations that are not explicitly named. There are a lot of anime-exclusive locations. Maybe it would be better just to write "Between Mt. Coronet and Sunnyshore City"?
:2) I can see value in having the Egg obtain location in the infobox. For now, it would at least be a good idea to make sure it is explicitly stated in the article's prose (I noticed that this was not the case for [[Ash's Donphan]]). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:48, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
::1) Yup. Thought as much. I'll give it some thought and change it (as a side note, I changed [[May's Munchlax]]'s capture location from just "Hoenn" to "An island between Pacifidlog and Slateport" since they were traveling between those two settlements at the time, but I didn't want to make assumptions about which one of the several routes present there they were on at the time).
::2) I'm glad to hear you support that idea. How soon do you think it can be put into proper use? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
:::Not meaning to be pushy, but do you have answer to my question? Also, I changed Gible's capture location to "Between Route 210 and Daybreak Town", since the group was traveling from [[Wilma]]'s place to Daybreak Town at the time. I think it's accurate enough. Do you agree? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:25, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
::::1) Was it ever stated in the anime that Wilma lives on Route 210? Couldn't you instead put something like "Near Wilma's house"?
::::2) I've added the <code>eggmet</code> parameter to the infobox, and put it into use on [[Ash's Donphan]] as an example. Feel free to put it into widespread use. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:08, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::1) A lot of routes don't get mentioned by name in the anime, but if we have two in-game locations and an episode takes place in between them, it's pretty safe to say that it takes place on the route between them. I just figured out that since Wilma's house is located east of Mt. Coronet, the direction Ash and co. were traveling at the time, I figured that they were traveling between its location on 210 and their next destination, Daybreak Town. If this doesn't convince you, I can change it.
:::::2) Thanks. I've already put it into good use. Also, while these are rare cases, I've seen a couple of other things that I feel could be improved as well. First: Some Pokémon hatched in a different location than where they were caught, most notably perhaps [[Ash's Greninja]], whose hatching location can only be pointed to somewhere in [[Kalos]], while its capture location can be accurately be pinpointed at [[Lumiose City]]. Is this notable enough to warrant a template edit so that the capture location can also be added for a Pokémon hatched from an Egg in case it's not the same as the hatching location, or can it be defined more accurately? Second: In the case of Fossil Pokémon, could there be a part in the template that reads when and where the Fossil was obtained and when it was revived, similar to how Eggs are obtained and hatched? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:29, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::What do you think? Do you think these suggestions are notable enough to be put into use? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::1) You're better off asking Pokemaster97 about this. I'm not entirely happy just assuming routes without being explicitly referred to as such (or having a sign with a route number on it show up in the episode), but I can see your point about it being obvious that that is the intent.
:::::::2a) My intent with the <code>eggmet</code> parameter was for when a Trainer obtains the Egg. If it hatched from an Egg in the wild, it doesn't make sense to consider when and where the Egg was "obtained" because it never was (including for the episode that the Egg is obtained in). Additionally, I think it would be a good idea to have separate "Hatched at" and "Caught at" locations usable for Pokémon that hatched from Eggs in the wild.
:::::::2b) Are there actually any anime fossil Pokémon that have their own pages such that this functionality would be useful? I don't remember any owned by major characters. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::1) Thanks for the hint. I'll contact him about the subject.
::::::::2a) Separate hatching and capture locations were pretty much what I was going after. Thanks for agreeing.
::::::::2b) I can think of [[Roark's Rampardos]] and [[Aero|Red's Aero]]. With the latter, the debut appearance currently listed there is the round where the fossil was obtained, and the resurrection round is listed under the "evolved in" segment of the template, which seems inaccurate in my opinion. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:53, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Well? What do you think? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:35, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::First off: Sorry for the incorrect categorizing. I should've realized that the definition of "medicine" doesn't include Berries. My apologies. Second: Have you given any thought to my ideas presented above? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:13, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think keep Fossils out of the evolution line. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:38, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

== Parting Shot ==

Excuse me, but could you possibly revisit it? I don't mean the parts where I just copied U-Turn (oops), but the dependencies: I now realize it may be supposed to say that the user will switch even if the target has Clear Body, is at -6 etc.?? I had removed that part because it sounded like the user also switches when the move misses, which is not the case (and I can't seem to find a nice way to make that distinction, but maybe you could make it clearer). Also, I removed the "even if it cannot switch out" part because a) U-Turn doesn't have it, b) the sentence is really awkward then (grammatically and information-presentation-wise), and c) imo it's clear anyway. Thanks! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
:I reworded it based on Memento. Hopefully the new wording is a bit clearer. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:35, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

== New page ==

Hey SnorlaxMonster! I'm not really sure who the most relevant person to ask this would be, but is [[User:Wowy/Harmony Scarf|this page]] notable? I've seen a few red links for it around the place, which is why I made it. If it is, will you be able to mainspace it, and do you think the page should be under Harmony Scarf or Scarves? Thanks!--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 11:59, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
:Since they seem to be plot items rather than held items, I think it would make sense to give them their own page rather than combining them with [[Scarf (Mystery Dungeon)]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:37, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

== Sky Attack ==

Are you sure about the contents of [[Special:Diff/2190530|this edit]], specifically that the high crit ratio started in Gen V (not Gen III)? It doesn't seem to have a high critical hit ratio in Gens I+II, but the descriptions also don't say that. (Fun fact: Apparently has an explicit 0% flinch chance in Gen II.) UPC, Showdown and the in-game descriptions contradict Gen V. But you could have more info, and I can't access [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26660&highlight=rock&page=4 this thread] from the edit history (but I imagine it could just confirm no increased ratio in Gen I or II). And in case there's nothing substantial: can we change it? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
:I just noticed that you also added "Gen III onward" [[Special:Diff/2615572|here]] a fair while later, so I'm inclined to believe you were mistaken at Sky Attack. I'm gonna leave this one to you, if you're able!? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
::Ah, thanks for that thread link. I couldn't remember why I was so sure that Sky Attack didn't have a high critical hit ratio until Gen V, but that thread confirms it. Since Smogon has changed their forums a bit since that was originally posted, [http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dp-research-thread-3-newer.26660/page-4#post-553997 here is the link] to the first of the relevant posts. Since you can't read the thread because you don't have a Smogon forums account, I've copied the important two posts into a pastebin [https://pastebin.com/0VP5xFgm here] so you can read the test results.
::That second edit is about the flinch chance (which was introduced in Gen III), not the critical hit chance. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:16, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Oh, Flinch ≠ Crit? Got it!
:::If you think that confirms it, could you reference it somehow?
:::But maybe let me say: I'm not entirely convinced by that (thx for the pastebin btw); I wouldn't rule out that it was just bad luck. They don't usually outright lie; they're Japanese! (I also do see a slim chance that they just screwed it up in Gen IV, but that it used to work in Gen III.)
:::Explanation: I believe in Gen III, high critical hit ratio also increases the rate from 1/16 to 1/8 (unlike what we currently say; see [http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/content/pokemon-ruby-version-sapphire-version-and-emerald-version-critical-hit-method.html UPC]). Assuming the first test was in Gen III (do you have context?), if there was an 1/16 CH chance, there is a 12.9% chance to observe 8/108 CHs; but there is also a 3.3% chance to observe that if there was a 1/8 crit chance (per multinomial distributions, and also assuming I did the math correctly). In other words, there is a chance that this is misinterpreted bad luck. For the smaller DP sample, bad luck appears to be a little bit less likely (21.1% vs. 3.3%). (I'm not sure how to extract the exact chance/likelihood/whatever that it's a 1/8 CH chance rather than the assumed 1/16, but I think it wouldn't be enough ''for me'' to overrule the description, and to say it is wrong). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
::::Yes, from the context it is clear that the first test is in Gen III.
::::That's interesting point about the probability of it being a high critical hit ratio move still not being vanishingly small, although my suggestion would be to try testing it yourself if you're still not convinced. To me, it seems entirely feasible that Game Freak intended to make Sky Attack a high critical hit ratio move, but because it's a two-turn move something about that didn't work (e.g. it only has a high critical hit ratio on the turn it is initially used rather than the turn it hits, so Power Herb might give different results), then when they rebuilt the game engine in Gen V the bug didn't get programmed in again. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::Hm, I think this is about whether you're (still?) convinced. I'm not convinced either way, but as I said, I wouldn't have said "they're wrong, I know better". On the other hand, maybe they ''are'' wrong.
:::::I thought about that, too, but then what about {{m|Razor Wind}}? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:13, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::Ok, after discussing some of it with friends, I'm almost sure the Smogon guys just unterestimated probabilities. I believe I found out how to "extract" properly, and that their Gen III observations are 20.5% likely to stem from a 1/16 CH ratio (and 79.5% from a 1/8 one; assuming it needs to be one of them), while the Gen IV observations are 13.6% likely (in contrast to 86.4%). That's not really much.
::::::In addition, I tested in Generation III (I'm not easily able to in Gen IV). Out of 50 hits, 9 were critical hits. Despite being a small sample, my apparent "luck" boosts the same measure to 96.8% likely 1/8 chance (and only 3.2% 1/16).
::::::That's not compelling evidence for me that UPC is correct with everything (in particular, whether high CH chance moves are only boosted by 1 stage!), but it is enough for me to seriously doubt the "No increased CH ratio, wrong description" thesis. Is it also enough to convince you? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:35, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I modified [https://github.com/pret/pokeruby/blob/master/data/data2.s#L1300 the critical hit ratio] in Ruby so that +0 had 100%. I did 10 straight {{m|Absorb}}s and saw 10 straight crits. Then I did a {{m|Leaf Blade}} and immediately got just a regular hit. Then I did 10 straight {{m|Razor Wind}}s...and got 10 straight crits (which should '''not''' happen if it has a high critical hit rate like Leaf Blade). Then I did a couple {{m|Sky Attack}}s and got a couple regular hits.
:::::::Razor Wind cannot have a high critical hit rate (+0), while Sky Attack must (I did 5 attacks where +1 was 100% instead of +0 (Absorb did not crit) and got crits each time, so it's +1). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Well, that was unexpected. ([http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/dex/index.html%3Flang=en&move=13.html Because I can't read].)
::::::::Also, that's a neat way to confirm the +1 thing. Thanks, Tiddlywinks. (I believe you wouldn't be able to do the same for Razor Wind in FRLG or Emerald, or would you?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Razor Wind works the same in FR and Em work. 5 crits each on Wing Attack/Scratch and Razor Wind when +0 is 100%, and a regular hit with Slash. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:27, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

== Users on the Pseudo-Legendaries page ==
Would it be notable in "Users" that Ryuki would be included in trainers that use pseudo-legendary Pokemon since he uses a Kommo-o in a Title Defence battle? Although I'm not sure if it counts since I'm not clear if Title Defence would count as an elite 4/champion battle. Also would it be notable to list Molayne using a Metagross as well as Ryuki using a Garchomp and Dragonite?[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 07:35, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:Would it be relevant? Because although these users aren't part of an elite 4 or champion, technically they're part of the final battle as a possible opponent.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 07:55, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
::If you check the page, SnorlaxMonster [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon&type=revision&diff=2637504&oldid=2582630 already added it days ago]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:45, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

== GSC Shiny Gyarados ==

I'm being a bit nitpicky here, Gold / Silver / Crystal call the battle type 7 for Shiny Gyarados (which sets the DVs to 14 ATK / 10 DEF / 10 SPE / 10 SPC and prevents fleeing). It doesn't use the same handler than the other scripted battles (it calls F:598D). I'm fine with not mentioning it on the Shiny Pokémon page though. --[[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] ([[User talk:Froggy25|talk]]) 07:53, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:My point was that it was a special battle, not necessarily that it was the same type of special battle. It's one of several special battles that "Cannot flee" applies to, so how it's technically implemented is irrelevant to the reader (unless there's some particular distinction other than having fixed IVs that you want to emphasize). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:39, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

== Image conversion ==

Screenshoted images for Who's that Pokemon, can they be converted for bulbapedia?
SM009
https://s4.postimg.org/48rfaw1zt/WTP_SM010.png

SM010
https://s30.postimg.org/8so1d66rx/149583593610562.png

SM011
https://s22.postimg.org/5c460rlct/WTP_SM011.png --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:32, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
:The screenshots seem fine themselves, but they are way too low resolution to be used. If you can retake them at reasonable resolutions, please [[a:Special:Upload|upload]] them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:15, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
::Not sure how I can do that, I screenshoted these from youtube, could try again when they are on CITV as they worked with previous images--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:41, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
:::If you screenshotted them from YouTube they should be much higher resolution than that. I'm seeing them as 180 x 101 pixels. Regardless, it is better to screenshot them from official sources like CITV. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:05, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
::::CITV start airing episodes from tomorrow so will screenshot them on CITV, unable to upload the images because I am not a Autoconfirmed users, Bots, Administrators, Bureaucrats, confirmed, Senior Administrators, Advisory Council, Technical staff.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:54, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I guess you're not autoconfirmed on the Archives yet. Once you've taken the screenshots, upload them to an external site and link me them on [[a:User talk:SnorlaxMonster|my Archives talk page]] and I'll upload them for you. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::Will do, I really enjoy contributing to Bulbapedia--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:58, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Sent a screenshot from SM009 as requested--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Second time lucky, probably used the wrong link--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, OK if every time an episode airs, I send a screenshot for WTP to be converted--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:08, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

== Image Replacement Permission ==

Hello! I'm trying to change the Pokédex entry image on [[ゥ/ 4ァ 4,|this page]], but it seems that I must ask for permission from an administrator to do that. I would like to upload [https://puu.sh/w1Iws/91069e101c.png this image]. Could you help me? I would like to change the image of dex entries on glitch Pokémon pages with a better resolution. Thanks. [[User:Alles Sandro|Alles Sandro]] ([[User talk:Alles Sandro|talk]]) 05:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
:The current image seems to be roughly in the native resolution, whereas your image is a blown up version. However, the current image is also a bit blurry and not quite the native resolution (whereas [[a:File:RBGlitchDexMissingno..png]] does appear to be). I scaled your image down to the native resolution and replaced the existing image. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:12, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. Where can I upload other dex image? I would like to replace all the blurry version of glitch Pokémon [[User:Alles Sandro|Alles Sandro]] ([[User talk:Alles Sandro|talk]]) 02:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
:::You can upload them at [[a:Special:Upload]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:07, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

== Generation II AI misses ==

I've repeatedly postponed mainspacing this, hoping for some bright idea: In Generation II, battle mechanics are biased. [https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5850 Stat-lowering], [https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5047 sleep-inducing], [https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L7733 paralyzing] and [https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5147 poisoning] status moves used by AI opponents have a 1/4 of failing, before applying accuracy tests (except in the Battle Tower or after Lock-On/Mind-Reader). This seems to also affect stat-lowering effects of damaging moves, whose real chance of activating their effects should be 1/4 lower for opponents, except for Mud-Slap and Octazooka. So, for example, opponents' {{m|Growl}} can miss at neutral accuracy/evasion levels (which I've re-confirmed on a Silver cartridge), but yours can't; your {{m|Aurora Beam}} should have a 10% of lowering their Atk, but theirs has a 7.5% chance of lowering yours.

That's problematic enough, but my real problem is: Where does this belong? I don't have anything I'm 100% comfortable with: I can't seem to find a way to have it fit smoothly anywhere, but it's important enough that it should probably be on multiple pages, somehow. So, my bright idea is to ask for bright ideas. Do you have any? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 22:37, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
:Well, we could certainly create a {{redlink|Miss}} article and include them there. Otherwise, I don't really have any good ideas. (Miss has been on my personal sticky note of articles to create for years, just like [[#New pages notability|confusion]] and [[Rare Candy]].) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::That'd be a good place for it, yes. Have you also considered a more general article on hitting, that would include things like accuracy tests (and their bypass), "miss", "fail", "ineffective", "protection", and "lack of target"? I guess all but "ineffective" could even redirect there, and we could even try to include something on additional effects, possibly even target/range. The title isn't as straightforward (maybe the lack of a good title is the main counterargument), but I guess a more general page could be more useful!? (I don't really like our current [[accuracy]] article, especially if we relocate the Gen I glitch, so maybe we should keep in mind to also improve it along the way!?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:30, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I'd like to have an answer here, please. Have you considered it? Is it infeasible/worse, do you have an opinion? (I guess neither of us want to give the impression that we're just blindly editing without a necessary level of cooperation and thought, or even against each other; I'm very sure on my part, I will ''strongly'' counteract and avoid giving that impression.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:54, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
::::I think an article on "fail" could work, and maybe one on "protection", but I unless you can come up with a general title I think that kind of thing would need to just go on [[move]] or similar. I certainly agree that the [[accuracy]] article isn't particularly good at the moment as well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:06, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. (Personally—and I guess I'm not into it as much as you are—I hope that "miss" and "fail" are similar/interrelated enough to warrant squeezing them on the same page either way.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:21, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

== Possible error ==

I'm noticing that the "What links here" pages aren't really working lately and I was wondering if it's just what I'm seeing. For instance, I checked SM029's "What links here" page and I can't see pages that clearly linked to SM029. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 18:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

== Pls Upload images for Pokémon Go ==

* Gen 2 Pokémon models
* Icon types Pokemon
* Load Screen April 2017 and June 2017

Thank you [[User:Tomarzig|Tomarzig]] ([[User talk:Tomarzig|talk]]) 07:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

== Bulba Handbook ==

Do you know where Bulba Handbook gets their information? I know for sure that not all of it's from Bulbapedia, because some stuff on Bulba Handbook isn't on Bulbapedia. If you don't know, who should I ask? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

== "Wimp Out and Emergency Exit do not activate to allow a Pokémon to flee" ==

Do you mean that they activate to switch Pokemon, or do they not activate at all? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 04:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
:I never tested them against Trainer battles in trials. But in wild battles, they just do not activate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

== How's the global police thing significant? ==

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=S.S._Anne&type=revision&diff=2666717&oldid=2665996]

You said "A minor reference to something that became more significant in later games is definitely notable". Is there something missing? Because if there is, I think it should be added. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
:The International Police appear significantly from Platinum onward. I think the link to the article should be sufficient detail. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:01, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

== About the Archives page and uploading 3DS images ==

Regarding uploading images from 3DS games, it says I have to provide a unique screenshot as well as contact an Advisory Council Member such as yourself. Could you please help me with the steps I have to take regarding the provision of a unique screenshot in order to be able to upload images straight from the games? Thanks.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 16:14, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
:Please take a screenshot of the summary screen of a Rockruff nicknamed "NikurikuBP", upload it to an external image host (not the Archives), and link it to me. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
:: http://imgur.com/a/KRMl3 Any other steps after this? Because once this is complete I intend to delete the post.[[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 12:13, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks. Okay, feel free to upload 3DS screenshots that you have captured now. Feel free to delete the sample image if you want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:39, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

== Approval for userspace pages to moved to the mainspace ==

I've been working on a few pages that have been intended for the mainspace right from the start, most of them are ready to be moved now. I just need the pages to be approved for being moved from the userspace. These are the pages: [[User:Ztash/List of original series episodes in Danish]], [[User:Ztash/List of Advanced Generation series episodes in Danish]], [[User:Ztash/List of Diamond & Pearl series episodes in Danish]], and [[User:Ztash/List of movies in Danish]]. [[User:Ztash|Ztash]] ([[User talk:Ztash|talk]]) 00:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
:I don't think these should be implemented as mainspace pages, but it is useful to have the dates collected somewhere. I'm not sure how we should go about putting that information in the mainspace, however. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:58, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
::Why do you think so? The idea was that each series would get its own page the way I did it as to easily keep track of a certain dub (in this case Danish) instead of having to scurry through every single episode page to find trivia or dub changes relevant for a specific language. Alternatively, they could all share one page, but I think we would end up with unnecessarily long pages in that case. [[User:Ztash|Ztash]] ([[User talk:Ztash|talk]]) 22:16, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

== Staff guidance ==

Would it be possible for you to provide a staff opinion in the discussion at [[Template talk:Ash's Pokémon#Fanmade sprite]], please? Thank you! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 13:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== I'm willing to put a Gen VII Shiny Photo on the [[Shiny Pokémon]] Page! ==

Hi, SnorlaxMonster, I'm new to Bulbapedia but even knowing that newbies get very little access to doing anything on Bulbapedia, I want to get permisson to put an image on the [[Shiny Pokemon]] Page! But not just any image. Just like the Generation [[Generation II|2]], [[Generation III|3]], [[Generation IV|4]], and [[Generation V|5]] images that look like GIFs, I recently made a Generation [[Generation VII|Generation 7]] GIF that I want to get permission to do.

It even says this on the page:
<code><nowiki>{{incomplete|needs=info and images for Generation VII}}</nowiki></code>

Since it's been several months without a Generation VII Image and after the [[Generation VI]] image is not a GIF, I am willing to bring back the GIF Photos with [[Generation VII]]!

Would it be okay if I uploaded the [[Shiny Pokémon]] [[Generation VII]] Sparkling Photo?

I already made it[http://i.imgur.com/ejDltKf.gifv] --[[User:JohnKroozie|JohnKroozie]] ([[User talk:JohnKroozie|talk]]) 17:44, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
:Did you capture the image yourself, or did you create this GIF from someone else's video? We have had issues in the past of users taking images from other people and uploading them here without permission, so we have strict rules regarding images from 3DS games to ensure that the uploader has permission to upload that image. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:56, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

If I could, I'd tell you how I captured it! As I was recording [[Pokemon Sun]] on my Nintendo 3DS, I unexpectedly encountered a [[Shiny]] the regular way! That's when I used Premiere Pro to edit out everything in the recording EXCEPT for the [[Shiny]] Part. Then I took advantage of Premiere Pro's "Export" setting to convert the video to a GIF File! Then I used an online website to make it a real GIF.
And I'm sorry I kinda replied late! --[[User:JohnKroozie|JohnKroozie]] ([[User talk:JohnKroozie|talk]]) 18:37, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for getting back to me. Anyway, we normally don't use animated images for 3D games because the filesizes end up too large; we have a maximum filesize of 2 MB, which I would surprised if you were able to get that image to fit inside (either as a GIF or animated PNG). However, a still image of the sparkle effect would certainly be useful.
::Anyway, before I give you the go-ahead to upload such a still image, just to make sure you did actually capture the image yourself, would you mind taking a screenshot of a Pikachu nicknamed "KroozieBP" and uploading it to an external image host (like Imgur)? This is just standard procedure for users who want to upload 3DS images. Thanks for your help. (Also, it's worth noting that you aren't autoconfirmed on the Archives, so you won't be able to upload it anyway.)--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:33, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Assistance ==

May I ask you for some input as it looks like you're currently active?[[User:Great Bear|Great Bear]] ([[User talk:Great Bear|talk]]) 12:18, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
:Please just ask straight away if you want my opinion on something, rather than asking to ask. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:39, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
::Oh sorry, anyway there is an issue I have with the wording on a trivia on M09. I changed "most likely" to "may be" but Frozen Fennec reverted me and said that the wording was fine, I discussed it with that user and it ultimately ended with ask a staff member. I asked Tiddlywinks but got no response do I'm asking you for some input.[[User:Great Bear|Great Bear]] ([[User talk:Great Bear|talk]]) 13:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Tiddlywinks has seen your message and will get back to you later. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Articles like [[In-battle effect item]] ==

Now that all the information from those articles has been transcribed to each item's own page, should we reduce those articles to categories? If we want to keep them as articles, then I think we should at least change "Template:Item" to link to the item's main article. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:01, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
:They already do link to the item main articles, although perhaps it would be better to have the link in the item's name rather than the lower right. As for what to do with them, some of them are worth keeping IMO ([[herbal medicine]]), but others (like [[In-battle effect item]]) are worth reviewing; however, I'd rather we deal with them once we have split all of the items. We still have a lot of items to split. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:03, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

== Guidance ==

Hey, so I found you via recent changes as a big time user, so you're probably my best bet to answer a question. I'm a long-time Pokemon fan, Bulbapedia reader, and Wiki contributor; but, with regards to that latter point, I've never edited on this particular wiki. I've noticed some things I can improve here, but I can't. My ideas require an additional MediaWiki extension. What I mostly need to know is the best possible place to post a fully fleshed-out proposal. I think my ideas will improve on every aspect of how things operate. My phrasing here was kind of vague, so if you require more info about my ideas, I'd be happy to elaborate a little.

As I said, I'm not new to wiki editing in general. I do know the difficulties of being in a new community though. I think my ideas are really good, but they're also really big, and I don't want to impose or act like a big shot. [[User:Somedumguy|Somedumguy]] ([[User talk:Somedumguy|talk]]) 14:31, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
:New MediaWiki extensions are very unlikely to be added. However, if you do want to make a suggestion, I would recommend [https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?forums/bulbawiki-forum.195/ the Bulbawiki forum]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:46, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
:::I started there before coming to you, but I wasn't able to post anywhere after making an account. Is there some automatic vetting time? Also, would I post on the suggestions thread, or can I start a new topic for an idea that's a bit larger than one suggestion?
:::BTW, I hope I didn't come off as too ambitious. It's probably not every day someone comes along asking for core upgrades to to implement gigantic projects. [[User:Somedumguy|Somedumguy]] ([[User talk:Somedumguy|talk]]) 13:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
::::What error message do you get when you try to [https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?forums/bulbawiki-forum.195/create-thread create a thread in that forum]?
::::You can either create a new thread or just post in the existing thread. Whichever you think is more appropriate. If you're unable to create a thread yourself, I would recommend just posting in the general suggestions thread. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:35, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Staff member ==

I tried to make a change to the [[Normal (type)]] article. However, I was reverted and told to ask a staff member's approval [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Normal_(type)&diff=2683610&oldid=2683609]. If you examine the changes, you will know what I was trying to do. As a staff member, do approve of my change to the page? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 04:54, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

== 3DS image uploads and Miiverse ==

I am interested in uploading images from Rumble World and Super Mystery Dungeon, mainly of moves and status conditions, but also anything else that might need an image from those games. However, since I lack 3DS capture capability, I would first have to upload the images to Miiverse, then save them from there and upload them to the archives. Images uploaded to Miiverse are initially .jpg, which I understand isn't ideal, so I was wondering if it was still fine to use them as long as I converted them to png before uploading to the archives. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 23:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
:I've uploaded miiverse images myself (it's the only way I can). But don't procrastinate; the miiverse is shutting down in November. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for the information. And yeah, the announcement is what pushed me to finally move forward with this. I'd still like to wait a bit to see if SnorlaxMonster has anything to add, but if not I'll start working on it. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:18, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Low quality JPEG images are better than nothing. Please upload them as PNGs though, so they can be replaced by PNGs in the future. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:52, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

== Category update problem ==

As you're the first person I tend to think about when I encounter a problem in Bulbapedia (sorry about that, BTW), I decided to ask you if you know anything about this thing. For some reason, about a month ago, Bulbapedia started acting weird for me for a short time (like logging me out whenever I left the site etc.), after which 1) all links that I had used on Bulbapedia turned from "used" to "unused", and, more importantly, 2) categories started refusing to update. Now whenever a page is added to a category, or even when a category is created with a page already listed in that category, the page does not show up in that category. Sorry if this sounds like rambling, but do you know about anything that could've caused this? Oh, and in case this subject is talked about at the Bulbagarden forums, just a heads-up: I don't use that. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:34, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
:I don't know about your logging out frequently or used to unused problem (most likely it's your internet browser), but the category problem have already been discussed and they replied multiple times. This problem occurs when Bulbapedia switched to using https instead of http. Categories, what links here and some archives image linking have been showing problems since then. As well as that 404 errors/major blackout just last month. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 12:00, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
::Ah, I understand. Thanks for explaining. Is this problem going to be fixed at some point? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:15, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Hello? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:08, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
::::I have no control over this issue. I have been bugging {{u|Archaic}} to nudge the tech team about this issue somewhat often, but I don't have direct contact with them so I have no idea how much progress they have made. You would be better off asking Archaic directly (in this one specific occasion). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:34, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the info. I may very well try that at some point. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

== New Interface ==

Why do Bulbapedia visitors see a top bar instead of a side bar when they aren't logged in? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:46, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
:It's a new design optimized to decrease the number of ads on the page. I had no role in the decision or design. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:52, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
::Do you know why people don't see it when they're logged in? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:::The skin is only intended to be displayed for logged out users. I'm not entirely sure why that decision was made. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
::::Do you know who made the decision? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

== Template:BerryInfobox ==

Can you unprotect it, please? Also, are there (near-)future plans for Berry articles (or their templates) that you know of? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
:Infoboxes are typically protected, and I think this one should remain as such. I've added Gen 7 descriptions as requested on the talk page though; let me know if anything else needs to be changed about it.
:IMO, Berry pages should be redesigned to have a consistent style to the new individual item pages (my example: [[User:SnorlaxMonster/ItemInfobox/Razz Berry]]). However, I haven't made any effort to push this design, because we're still working on splitting the other items right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:37, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
::Fair enough. Anyway, I guess you may want to remove the roundy classes from the Generation VI description. (Though you may want to wait for me to add the missing descriptions.) Also, the if for the Generation V description queries Generation IV's; luckily, it doesn't make a difference, but you may want to change it regardless.
::That's a good idea, I'll be waiting.
::While I'm here, what items are about to be split? Do you have a list of (core series) items that should not get an article? And if not, when editing, should I re-link only those items that happen to already have their article (like I currently do), all of them, or those I believe will/should be given their article? Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:12, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
:::The goal is the ultimately split every item. I believe the Data Cards are not planned to have their own articles though, and items like Gram 1-3 would share a page. Wonder Launcher items are getting their own pages hasn't been discussed. There hasn't been a decision about how to deal with Poké Ball yet (due to the specific item and overall class sharing a name), so that's currently on hold. TMs and HMs are fine how they are for now and won't be getting the new item template.
:::Regarding relinking, I've been linking directly to the item names [[Special:Diff/2190548|for years]] ([[Special:Diff/1298372|originally even replacing section links with plain links]]), although another user would usually change them to section links after my edits. I don't see any point in not relinking pages that will need to be in the near future, so when I edit pages I have been turning all item links into plain links (except <code><nowiki>{{ball|Poké}}</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{DL|Potion|Potion}}</nowiki></code>, and <code><nowiki>{{DL|Revive|Revive}}</nowiki></code>) even when the items don't have individual pages yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks. That seems reasonable, I think I'll adopt that, then. I've very recently thought about a related issue, and with the items split, I think I might try to rid myself of the habit of ''always'' using direct links. (My thought experiment has me use direct links for things like <code><nowiki>[[super-effective]]</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>[[Masked Royal]]</nowiki></code>, even though they might never be non-redirects.)
::::Also, I think I'm done with Berries for now, btw. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:16, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::Wikipedia has {{wp|WP:NOTBROKEN|a policy}} about linking to redirects not being a problem, particularly when they indicate possible future articles. However, that policy doesn't apply here, and it shouldn't necessarily be applied. On Bulbapedia, the policy is typically to avoid redirects (although the [[List of items by index number]] pages have been violating that for years, and the Pokédex entry template does too for convenience).
:::::In the particular examples you give, I think they should just be left as they are for now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::Trying to avoid a misunderstanding: I didn't mean to say I'll go around and enforce some redirect links here and there. I meant to say I'd use them (i.e., not rule them out) when editing; for example, when moving the effectiveness stuff from [[damage]] to [[type]], I'd relink <code><nowiki>{{DL|Damage|super effective}}</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>[[super effective]]</nowiki></code> (rather than <code><nowiki>{{DL|Type|super effective}}</nowiki></code> or similar). Are you suggesting I rather not do that? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:12, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::::That's probably a better solution for that case, in my opinion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Um, which one? Not doing it? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:30, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Linking to <code><nowiki>[[super effective]]</nowiki></code> after you move the content between pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:33, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::Alright, gotcha. Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}}I understand there will be individual articles named "Helix Fossil", "Growth Mulch", "Rainbow Wing", "Dragon Gem", "Excite Scent" etc. (or that at least those would be proper link targets), is that correct? Will there be articles on all [[list of unobtainable items|unobtainable items]]? Should {{template|key}} be replaced, and/or will it eventually just be "updated" (to simply <code><nowiki>[[{{{2}}}|{{{3|{{{2}}}}}}]]</nowiki></code>) and called deprecated? (Same for {{template|ball}}, but I guess you wouldn't know yet?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:44, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, those examples would be correct, although there hasn't really been any specific discussion on Colo/XD-exclusive items. Unobtainable items probably won't, although the [[Teru-sama]] is going to keep the page it already has. For key items, the plain page name is often a disambig and not a redirect (e.g. [[S.S. Ticket]]), so it's not really the best idea to link to them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:23, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
::You're suggesting to wait with replacing {{template|key}}, in general, right? Okay. (And just to be sure you are aware, the Teru-sama isn't the only unobtainable item that currently has an article, and I guess at least the Fairy Gem is still about to receive one.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:17, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I would leave {{template|key}} alone unless the item already has its own page. And yeah, I was mostly thinking about the Gen I and II unobtainable items; I guess most of the Gen 3+ unobtainable items probably will eventually get pages (maybe not the Key Stone items), but they're low priority (although I would give Fairy Gem when doing the rest of the Gems). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:28, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure if I really have to ask, but.. can I create item articles (or help create them)? A certain template, if it gets approved, could then use links to Z-Crystal names without those being redirects. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Sure, go ahead. I made an example of how I think the [[Normalium Z]] page could look. Feel free to change it if you're not satisfied with it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. I already have Buginium ready here, so I'll just save it and rather offer you to do that!? (I tried not to explicitly mention the Bag/held item thing, and I included prices because I saw Gracidea had them.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I wasn't entirely satisfied with the Bag/held item description I gave anyway, so I changed it. As for the prices, I didn't remember if I had been putting them on key item pages so I checked [[GB Sounds]], but it might be an odd one out. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

== Game-exclusive Template ==

Hi. I have completed the Game-exclusive template (Template:Vex) for Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon (ready to press save). However, you want me to create in my own userspace first or don't create at all? Or are we going to update "Template:Vex7" to include USUM or a separate template under "Template:Vexusum"? If on a separate template, should I put in Regional variants first, since it's not confirmed these games will have them? Thanks. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 17:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:I also wanted to add this information to Poké Transporter but don't know how to go about it. When FARFETCH'D is Poké-Banked from RBY to SM, the apostrophe will be gone and it becomes Farfetch d. The apostrophe isn't available if you wanna rename FARFETCH'D to Farfetch'd. Thanks! — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 17:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
::Just like BW/B2W2, there should be separate game-exclusive templates for SM and USUM.
::Oh right, I had forgotten that Farfetch'd had roughly the same issue as Mr. Mime (I had seen it shortly after RBY were supported by Bank). Now that you can get them without nicknames, it's a significant issue. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:23, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
:So should I just create in mainspace or userspace first? Mr. Mime cannot be caught in the wild but Farfetch'd can be caught Wild in Yellow. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 17:31, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
::In this case, I don't see any issue with creating the template directly.
::Oh right, I had forgotten you could find wild Farfetch'd in Yellow. I guess it had more reason to be listed than Mr. Mime then... --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

== A totally random thing that I need someone's help for ==

As I've noticed that Bulbapedia seems to have allowed adding the actual type of type-changing moves (like {{m|Hidden Power}} or {{m|Multi-Attack}}), as opposed to them just being listed as {{type|Normal}} moves, into in-game moveset templates, I've been in the process of adding those missing types wherever I can. Unfortunately, since Hidden Power is a rather common move in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], a game I do not own, I've been restricted into using YouTube videos while figuring them out, and those videos are a rather limited resource. They've only helped me in figuring out the type of a handful of them, but many still remain unsolved. Which brings me to my point: is there any way of figuring these out? Since you're my go-to guy when it comes to problems I face in Bulbapedia (an honest apology if that bothers you, BTW), I though about asking this from you. So, do you or anybody else you might think of have a way of figuring this out? Thank you for reading. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:42, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
:I imagine you could check the game data of Stadium 2 to find out, but I don't really have the ability to do that. The easier alternative would just be to get someone who does have the game to check, rather than relying on YouTube videos. I don't have the game, but you could check the category {{cat|Pokémon Stadium 2 players}} and ask an active user there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:47, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
::I thought about that possibility, too. I agree that checking the game's code would be the easiest way of find this stuff out. However, I'm not sure which Stadium 2 players actually know how to dig into the game's coding, so I guess "manual checking" is the best alternative. I even remember all the Trainers whose Hidden Power types need to be checked in Stadium 2. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:14, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
:::To be clear, I did mean ask one of those users to manually check, not check the games' code. I wouldn't expect most people to be able to do the latter. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I understood that as well. I basically meant to say that checking the code can be a bit hard for your average player, so manual checking can be much easier. I've just noticed that some Pokémon seem really reluctant to use Hidden Power, either because the AI is being a bit dumb, or the type of the move is extremely situational. Either way, yeah. I'll ask someone to check them if they can. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

== Generation VI Glitches==
Hello. I put on the page [[List of glitches in Generation VI]] about opponents in the Battle Maison using Will-O-Wisp on one of their allies and you removed it because you said it may be for intended behavior. I understand that it may be used for intended behavior but I have had many cases where they use it on their allies without any intention (e.g. the target doesn't have Guts or Facade). Someone else has encountered this on the talk page and has agreed with me. Have you encountered it? Do you want me to find evidence? Thanks. [[User:The IceCream|The IceCream]] ([[User talk:The IceCream|talk]]) 10:13, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

== Minor edits ==

I wonder if these minor edits are necessary: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Scale&diff=prev&oldid=2700623], [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Memory&diff=prev&oldid=2700622], [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Fang&diff=prev&oldid=2700621]. They don't make any difference when you view them. Thanks. — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 13:10, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

== Photon Geyser ==

"Necrozma can learn this move when it’s in its Dusk Mane or Dawn Wings forms, as well". I taked this on the official USUM site, so, Photon Geyser is exclusive to Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings forms like Kyurem's Ice Burn or Freeze Shock. {{unsigned|Pika fanatic}}
:I believe [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/ultra/en-us/gallery-detail-3.html the context] makes it clear that "as well" means "in addition to its regular form". It talks about regular Necrozma at first, then specifies the alternate forms "as well". [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

==Pokemon page updates==
Now that I took care of the the disambiguation for the USUM Pokédex, I would like to know the status for the plans to update the Pokemon page templates with the new numbers. Once you are ready and let me know about what coding is going to be used, I can help with setting it up for the Templates for all the Pokémon pages involved with that Pokédex listing. Once this is done it should take another big chunk out of the remainder for the USUM updates. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 23:36, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

== Missing Page ==
Hi, I've not been on for quite a time, and I remember making a page about the 30 question mark glitch ([[a:File: 30questionmarks.PNG|here's]] the picture I used), but now I can't find it, neither in the wiki itself nor in my contributions. Do you maybe know how come? Thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 11:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

== Power of variable moves ==

It has come to my attention [[User talk:Pumpkinking0192#Eruption|on my talk page]] that the moves Eruption and Water Spout consistently or semi-consistently have their power listed as — on learnset pages and as 150 on pages that list moves. Which of these is correct? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
:In-game their power is listed as 150. I think the best option is to match the game on both the move and learnset pages. If you look at the section [[#Moves that power up]] above, you can see some discussion relating to this (but not directly related). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

== Edit Summary ==

Should user PokeAmour be allowed to make an edit summary like this on this edit: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=SM065&diff=prev&oldid=2743153? {{unsigned|Playerking95}}

== Ability Capsule and Category:Items ==

While I am not one to argue with Admins or otherwise authority, stating that Category:Items is used for only items in the Item pocket is 100% false. Category:Items currently (and as far as I am aware has always) contained subcategoried for Key Items, Berries, and Medicine, and contains unlistable number of items that are not just "Item Pouch" items. Category:Medicine itself is entirely part of Category:Items, and all items within it use the dual category classification that you just undid, which is why I was correcting it the Ability Capsule page.

No disrespect intended, but I feel this change to be both incorrect and counterproductive
--[[User:13akoors|13akoors]] ([[User talk:13akoors|talk]]) 05:45, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

EDIT: After re-looking, it seeks that only subcategories follow the system I was using. That said, Ability Capsules do not fit within any subcategory, so I would argue an exception should be made for it
:I think I might have been a bit unclear. Only items in the items pocket should be ''directly'' placed in Category:Items. The Medicine category is in Category:Items, but the items in Category:Medicine are not also placed directly in Category:Items.
:There was discussion about creating a new category specifically for the items pocket (so that no items would be placed directly in Category:Items), although we hadn't agreed on a name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:50, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Ah. This makes sense
Good luck on the addition of an "Item's Pocket" category...Seeing as how the word "item" is used for basically everything in the bag, I hope you find a better word...--[[User:13akoors|13akoors]] ([[User talk:13akoors|talk]]) 05:54, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

== A bunch of things ==

Hi there. I've got several things:
#[[User talk:Kogoro#Template:MoveInfobox]]: Any idea what to do about it? I've really tried hard, and Kogoro is(/was) aware but continues to ignore me. (Also, do you know anything regarding BulbaBot? I'm not even sure it's intended to be fixed.)
#[[Talk:Pokémon outbreak#Generation III outbreaks]]: FYI.
#The fossil pages: I guess pages named "X and Y Fossils" are supposed to end up deleted? If so, I guess the procedure would be to first de-link them, then move them onto "X Fossil" (to preserve history) and split off "Y Fossil"? If that's right/reasonable, if ''someone'' went and took care of links, would you be able to do the rest (as Lanthanum has started to create individual pages in their userspace, I guess it'll require <code>delete</code> and <code>mergehistory</code>)?
#[[#New pages notability]]/[[User:Nescientist/Confusion (status condition)]]: Any progress there?
#[[Template talk:Sup/t#Link target]]: Could you have a look, please?
#[[Template:Movelist]]: I'd like to have movelists like those at {{m|Snatch}} be sortable. But the template creates and hides up to four columns, causing the Gen.VII column to order by Gen.III etc., which makes me wonder: what was wrong with [[Special:Diff/2656742|this edit]] that caused you to develop some workaround (that breaks the sorting)? (And also, why are there even optional generic columns at all?) You're more into it, plus you stated reasons in that workaround edit summary that I think I fail to understand thoroughly.
Thanks. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 17:19, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:Bumping, and expanding:
::7. Could you do the Bottle Caps Lanthanum started in their userspace?
::8. Can I do [[Potion]] in a similar way than [[Revive]] (and change <code><nowiki>{{DL|Potion|Potion}}</nowiki></code> be changed to <code><nowiki>[[Potion]]</nowiki></code> in the process?)
::9. What also came to my mind is [[legendary artifacts]]: Akurochan recently created articles on many of them, and when considering how to fix their introductions, I came to the conclusion that I think we shouldn't deliberately link there at all, but delete the page!? It's basically just a list of {{template|Item}} templates for largely unrelated items, and you said at its talk that it was just a title that describes that list. I don't know how much deleting pages with histories (and talk pages) is frowned upon (and I don't like it much), so maybe we just move the article onto the category?? (Should I address this on the articles talk page? Or else, if you give me a go, I guess I can do the rest even without admin powers!?)
:Sorry, but I don't really know better than to just drop anything here. If there's someone else who can (currently) assist (or accept assistance) better for any or all matters, please direct me. :) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:05, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

== Pikachuluckynumber25 ==

The user Pikachuluckynumber25's recent edit on EP001's page was vandalism. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]])

== Delete ==

I know it says you're not supposed to alert a mod when.there are pages to be deleted, but it still seems like {{cat|Pages to be deleted}} has not been cleaned out in a long while. Could you or some other admin please clear it out? Thanks! [[User:Mr. Daikon|Mr. Daikon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Daikon|talk]]) 12:48, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

== Tapu Koko ==

I was wondering, could my Tapu Koko's anime page be main-spaced? It's had a major role in about 3 episodes. SM002, SM019 and SM052, where it helped to create Ash's Z-Power Ring. It could even be argued that it giving Ash the Z-Ring and spying on Ash in SM001 was a pretty big part. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 15:44, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:Personally I feel the [[Guardian deities]] anime [[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Chosen/Sandbox/Guardian_deities_(anime)|page]] should receive main space. All of them together rather than 4 possible individual spaces--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

== Son of a gun ==
I wish to report Son of a gun for various edits he makes, using language like Bitch, asshole and dumbmass. Have removed the asshole from Bulbasaur page but left the rest for you to see now I've reported it.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:42, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

== Template:catch ==

[[Template:Catch|This template]] comes with a nice guide explaining how to use it, but it's only nice up to Generation 5. Can you update it? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:25, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

== Route encounter corrections ==

I'm always pleased to see someone fixing something faulty, and in this case, I'm referring to your recents of fixing Sinnoh Route Pokémon lists. As such, I wonder if you could do a double-check on [[Sinnoh Route 226]]'s encounter rates? Apparently they are in the need of one. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

== Deformed page ==

The new Move Tutor templates have caused [[Celadon City]]'s page to look a bit deformed. Can you help? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:25, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
:Fixed it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:30, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. I figured it'd be something simple, I just didn't know what. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

==TM Table==

Hiya. Could you help update [[Template:TMtable]] to accommodate for the multiple Gen 7 TMs and [[Template:Learnlist/levelVII]] for LGPE movesets? Thanks! [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 12:40, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
:In kinda the same vein: when are the Let's Go Pokémon templates (the ones for movesets and encounter lists) coming? We've already got the item one all set up. What about these? I mean, I've seen them being worked on already, but why haven't they been mainspaced yet? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:53, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

==Help==
Hi. Im trying to Work on a Sitting Cuties Plush page, but I cant upload images. Am I doing something wrong? Thx [[User:BrendanC|Brendan C]] ([[User talk:BrendanC|talk]]) 14:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)BrendanC

== Let's Go items ==

Do you know what Berries the bush on {{rt|11|Kanto}} gives out? I've bern trying to figure it out, but since I don't have the game and people on YouTube don't seem to get close enough to that bush for their walking Pokémon to notice (excluding once, but even then they didn't check if they found anything), which is how I know the bush has Berries in the first place. So yeah. Can you help? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:There are no bushes on Route 11 that give items. There are a few bushes that look the same as ones that do, but the ones on Route 11 don't give any items. Your Pokémon will be interested in the bush in the northwest, but it doesn't actually find an item. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
::Ah, okay. Although, I hope you know this for sure. Not every inspection and/or Pokémon reveals a hidden item. The same can occur with the Pretty Wings in Cerulean and Vermilion. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:17, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:::1) I hope you'll recheck the bush just in case, because I have a hunch that it's not empty. 2) I've seen people picking up [[Fresh Water]]s from water dispensers at the Celadon Condominiums and Silph Co. Could you check if they're one-offs, if they renew like daily or so, or whatever. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

== LPE Japanese names ==

I've noticed that in the Let's Go games, if there was a Trainer with the same English name in the same area in Generation III, their Japanese name is also the same as in Generation III, even if their Trainer class is not the same. As for the Trainers who weren't present in Generation III, I've used Japanese Let's Go videos, a katakana table, and Google Translate to figure out their Japanese names. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:41, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:I would still prefer to confirm each case, which is why I don't fill in the names as I add them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:42, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
::I understand. But so far, every name I've personally checked has followed this pattern. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:53, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:::And this has nothing to do with names but I really don't want to create another talk page title already: what about the special spawns? Like Bulbasaur in Viridian Forest and Chansey in who knows how many locations? How will they be listed in the encounter lists? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

== Key item pages ==

I understand the edits you've made on Key Item pages today. But would it be possible if you went through '''all''' the Key Item pages follow this same kind of format or whatever? Because i personally don't really like inconsistency. I'm ready to help you, of course, if you wish so. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
:Regarding the acquisition lines, I had originally designed the item pages to have different generations on different lines, so I'm not sure which other pages snuck under the radar.
:Regarding the Pokémon templates, I know there are several pages that use these, but I don't really have the time to go through them all right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:26, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
::It's perfectly okay. Of course you don't have to do everything in one go. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

== Separate shiny images for Diancie and Mega Diancie (for use on long-overdue Diancie usertag) ==

Given that you uploaded [[:File:Shiny Diancie Mega Evolution.png]], can you please carefully extract the Shiny Diancie and Shiny Mega Diancie images from the background and upload them as individual, transparent-background images of the same size as their non-shiny Global Link counterparts ([[:File:719Diancie Dream.png]] and [[:File:719Diancie Mega Dream.png]])? I am trying to make a usertag for Diancie using the Dream images (because Diancie has no Black/White-style sprites) and want to accommodate both Shiny and Shiny Mega images into the coding. I cannot use the Spr_6x_, Spr_6o_, or Spr_7s_ images because they have too much transparent padding around and the MediaWiki software does not allow for cropping images invoked using the <code><nowiki>[[File:image.png|size]]</nowiki></code> construct.

For comparison: (for some reason userboxitem tables do not render in talk pages?)
<pre>
{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:719Diancie Dream.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a '''{{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.
|}

{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:719Diancie Mega Dream.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a '''{{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Mega Evolution|Mega}} {{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.
|}
</pre>
versus:
<pre>
{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:Spr_6x_719.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a '''{{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.
|}

{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:Spr_6o_719M.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a '''{{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Mega Evolution|Mega}} {{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.
|}

{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:Spr_6x_719_s.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a {{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Shiny Pokémon|shiny}} '''{{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.
|}

{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:Spr_6o_719M_s.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a {{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Shiny Pokémon|shiny}} '''{{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Mega Evolution|Mega}} {{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.
|}
</pre>
[[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 08:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
:Rather than creating a new usertag for every single Mythical Pokémon, instead I've made {{template|User Has Pokémon}}, which you can use for any Pokémon. Try these out to get what you're looking for.
<pre>
{{User Has Pokémon|719Diancie Dream|Diancie|Fairy|Rock}}
{{User Has Pokémon|719Diancie Mega Dream|Diancie|Fairy|Rock|form='''Mega'''}}
{{User Has Pokémon|Spr 6x 719 s|Diancie|Fairy|Rock|form=Shiny}}
{{User Has Pokémon|Spr 6o 719M s|Diancie|Fairy|Rock|form=Shiny '''Mega'''}}
</pre>
:As for extracting the Shiny Diancie artwork from that image and putting them on a transparent background, that's really not my area of expertise. If you do end up getting nice clean versions of them however, please do upload them to the Archives. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:05, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
::If I were an auto-confirmed user at the Archives, I would not be asking you this (I would have quietly done the extraction and the uploads instead). But given that I have no privilege for uploading anything to the Archives, I was thinking of an alternative: I do the extractions (I am skilled in doing so), give them clean transparent backgrounds, and then upload them to PhotoBucket (from where you can then download the images and then upload them yourself to the Archives). Does this sound good to you? [[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 22:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
::P.S. BTW, I tried your codes; the first two look fine, albeit with a somewhat darker background behind Diancie and Mega Diancie (I was expecting Rock color light, but at least the images are appropriately sized relative to the roundy field, maybe I could slightly reduce them in size <del>{{tt|if the Has Pokémon template provides a way to specify image size|which indeed it does after inspecting source}}</del>), while the last two (the shiny ones) look awkwardly tiny (due to the excess transparent padding surrounding those shiny models which cannot be remedied no matter what pixel size you specify on the template), hence my desire to get the shiny images from that Korean Global Link-style artwork instead. [[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 02:22, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

== New vandal ==

Hey, heads up. {{user|Mckenzie6361}} has quite the talk page going on here. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:33, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

== "Fainted shouldn't be considered a status condition" ==

It is though. And that's not our decision to make, it's the game's. Revives have been classified as Status Restore since Generation IV. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 17:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
: Also see [[Fainting]] and [[Template:StatusNav]] if you still disagree. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
::I agree, fainting has always been treated as a status condition both in the games and on BP... --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
:::Status restore includes items that restores status conditions (such as Awakening and Full Restore) as well as items that do not (such as the Red Flute and Revives). The games define status conditions as sleep, poison, freeze, paralysis, and burn. Fainted and Pokérus sometimes use the same position in the user interface for display purposes, but they are not status conditions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
::::That's more like a personal interpretation that something official, which should be kept out of articles. As far as the game is concerned, Revives have been classified under Status Restore, even though I personally think it belongs under HP Restore, and still sometimes look in the wrong pocket for the Revive. Just because I personally think a Revive better fits an HP Restore, I wouldn't put that in BP because that's just personal interpretation. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 17:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::The point I'm making is that it's confirmed that the "Status Restore" category isn't exclusively a category for items that restore status conditions, so it provides no indication of whether a given status is a status condition or not. FireRed and LeafGreen's help menu gives a fairly clear definition of "Status Problem" (what status conditions were called at the time).
<blockquote><ab>Status problems include:
Sleep: Can't use moves.
Poison: Causes steady HP loss.
Paralysis: May prevent moves.
Burn: HP loss and lowers ATTACK.
Freeze: Can't use moves.
These can be healed with items, etc.</ab></blockquote>
:::::There are plenty of other cases make it pretty clear that fainting is not a status condition. The descriptions of {{m|Safeguard}}, [[Full Heal]], [[Full Restore]], etc. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:20, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::And the [https://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/about/video-game-glossary/#terrain glossary on the official Pokémon site] leaves no doubt in the matter:
:::::Medicine: "''Medicine refers to items that you'll find in the Medicine Pocket of your Bag. These include items to heal HP or PP, such as Potions and Elixirs, items that boost stats or levels, such as vitamins and Rare Candy, and items that help Pokémon recover from '''status conditions or fainting''', such as Antidotes and Revives. If they can be used during battle, it takes one turn.''" --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:23, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

==Hi==
Hi, I'm Dove. I'm new here with an auto-confirmed email address, but for some reason, I cannot edit my user page. Could you create it for me? Plus, could you add a welcome to my talk page? Cheers! [[User:DoveSmith|DoveSmith]] ([[User talk:DoveSmith|talk]]) 14:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
:Hi Dove. Users cannot edit their user page until they are {{bp|autoconfirmed}}, which requires that you have an account for a few weeks and that you have made at least a certain (reasonably small) number of edits. However, we don't disclose the specific values, in order to make sure that users are actually contributing and not just trying to become autoconfirmed (and I don't remember what they are anyway). I recommend reading the {{bp|userspace policy}}, which has more information on this topic. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

== allo ==

regarding stuff like safari balls being listed under the items section, was wondering if your opinion on this has changed? im of the idea that its pretty much useless/unhelpful. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 08:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
:I definitely think that if we do keep them, they should be in a separate section to indicate that the player doesn't actually get to keep them, like Forage Bag items on the [[Lush Jungle]] page (or how we would handle items inside the Battle Pyramid proper vs items the player could obtain in the lobby, although I don't think that's actually a concern). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
::hmm the separate section would literally only be a table with one item tho. that seem allright? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 09:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

User talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/9

2019-01-15T08:56:18Z

EternalDragonX: /* allo */ new section

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 10

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EternalDragonX: /* yo */ new section

User talk:FinnishPokéFan92/Archive 2

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EternalDragonX: /* lmao */

'''Archieved talks:''' [[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92/Archive 1]] (archieved on November 5, 2015)

== XY093 errors ==

Why did you erase the error section of ''[[XY093|All Eyes on the Future!]]''? You said you disagree with them, but that doesn't make them any less of mistakes. {{m|Light Screen}} was shown protecting the male {{p|Meowstic}} from {{AP|Talonflame}}'s {{m|Flame Charge}} despite Light Screen only reducing damage from Special Attacks, like {{AP|Frogadier}}'s {{m|Water Pulse}}, not from Physical Attacks like Talonflame's Flame Charge. Later on in that episode, when Talonflame used {{m|Steel Wing}} on the male Meowstic, [[Professor Sycamore]] said that Light Screen doesn't work on Physical Attacks like Steel Wing. Later, {{an|Clemont}} claimed that {{a|Prankster}} was making {{m|Helping Hand}} a priority move when Helping Hand is already one to begin with, for Helping Hand always goes first even if the Pokémon using it didn't have Prankster as their ability. {{a|Keen Eye}} only prevents your Pokémon's accuracy from lowering and ignores an opponent's evasive stats. Professor Sycamore claimed that Psyshock was chasing Frogadier and Talonflame because the female Meostic had Keen Eye, but moments ago, you clearly see the Meowstic using Psychic to make the Psyshock go after Ash's Pokémon. That's why these are mistakes. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:11, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

== Finally some Colo data ==

I finally got my rear in gear with some of that [[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92/Archive 1#Colo/XD data|Colo/XD team data]]. I've got Colosseum teams now. [http://www.mediafire.com/download/t6gaudyp6atho2b/ Here's] the file.

There are some comments in the file. The file is huge... I imagine the easiest thing will be to poke around BP's pages and just search for the right Trainers in the file. If you have any questions about anything, feel free to ask. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:32, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

:Thanks a ton! I'll hopefully get on with it later today. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::I figured out a couple things I did wrong for that Colosseum data with the gender. Half is BP's Shadow and non-Shadow templates acting a bit differently when the "gender=" parameter is missing, and half is a separate mistake on my part. I'll fix that up later on and update the link above.
::FYI, right now for XD, I've mostly got the story data converted (just testing a few Trainers, and finding things like that gender issue), but XD also has a good amount of data for other modes, which (with the lazy-ish way I'm doing it) will also be a bit of an annoyance to make work (mostly tedious). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:::[http://www.mediafire.com/download/ra320pu97afz07x/ XD data]. I've also fixed up the Colosseum data (replaced above; if you wanna check some of the differences, try searching for Entei.)
:::Colosseum's gender data is pretty straightforward, so I think it's OK now, but XD's is less so... For now for XD, I've assumed all Shadow Pokemon have a random gender (so far as they can), and everything else's gender works like I *think* it does. If you're ever in doubt, you can always try to check playthrough videos. I've done that a bit already while testing my output, and where I have, my data was right (and not just for gender; though Abilities can be hard to be sure about). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

==Hyperspace Hole==
Did Hoopa literally used Hyperspace Hole in the movie when it was summoning Pokémon? Because someone told me it did. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 20:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
:I doubt it was Hyperspace Hole, since Hoopa Unbound did it too, and it already has four other moves. Remember, the anime has been pretty consistent with the "only four moves at a time" thing over the recent years, so... --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:40, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
::That was Hyperspace Fury. It's Unbound Form doesn't use Hyperspace Hole. Only when it is in its Confined Form.[[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 06:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
:::I know. That's what I was saying. The rings are just Hoopa's special power. Confined didn't use them as an attack, so it wasn't Hyperspace Hole. Also, Unbound used its rings the same way too, so it can't be that move. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:56, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

==Clemont's Inventions==
Can you add the information of Clemont's inventions from [[XY088]] and [[XY089]], please? -- [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 22:10, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

== Old Amber ==
I don't understand why there's no need for that. In gen. I there weren't key items, and it doesnt say so in the text. ( first time: 8 November 2015 9:33:45 (UTC)) [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 20:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

== Items! ==

I just want to go into a bit more detail about why I like the order I wrote on [[Dewford Town]]. I can certainly understand reasons for liking other orderings, and it's hard to say what may be "always" best, so I think there's definitely room for discussion. =)

1) I don't think there should be any "separation" of the games (which I'm just guessing is the reason you put the Ribbon last on Dewford). I.e., I really don't like the idea of putting all the items that first appeared in RS first, then all the items that appeared in E (but not RS), then all the items that appeared in ORAS (but not RSE) (or whatever games). That's just confusing as hell in longer lists.

2) I think items should be listed by an order of traversal. Basically, pick something that at least makes ''some'' (consistent) sense, and stick to it. Basically, N to S then E to W, or E to W then N to S, or... Anyway, this one I'm kind of taking on a case-by-case, "how do I feel" sort of basis. Currently, I'm not entirely sure if it should ''very strictly'' obey the location's natural traversal (like, you first enter from N/S/E/W, so that's where the list should start), or if maybe it should always be "reading" order (left>right (E>W), top>bottom (N>S)), or what.

2b) I'm a little torn on whether accessibility requirements should affect the order things are listed in. I.e., when you first reach some places, you may not have an HM that will let you get some of the items, so any of those that you'd have to return for could be listed after all of the things you can get immediately. ...The thing that kind of tilts my opinion in this case is that, if you don't grab any items at first and only scour the town after you have all necessary HMs (like in the postgame), then a single, coherent listing of all the items is best, otherwise you may be forced to backtrack a bit for an item that needs an HM. And at the same time, with a single, coherent list, people who are only on their first visit can easily just skip those items they can't get.

These things basically seem best and simplest/most consistent all around, to me. (And simple is best. Less room for arguments; or confusion.)

(Hope all that's not too wall-of-texty... =P ) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

== Aero ==

hey! How are you? :) You must know that your page was chosen to be the official [[Aero]] one. I just happen to have worked on it too ( [[User:MannedTooth/Aero]]) and wondered if there is anything you would like to add to yours? I'm thinking of the Giovanni part, since Aero technically was owned by him before Red. Anyway, take a look at that :) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

== XYZ ==

Can you add the Finnish/Swedish name origins for [[Squishy]] and lyrics/translations for [[Stand Tall]] to the [[List of Finnish Pokémon themes]] and [[List of Swedish Pokémon themes]]? Thanks! --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:02, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:I'd be pleased to do so if I knew where to watch those XYZ episodes. I didn't even know they had Finnish titles until just now to be honest. The previous season ended just last week or so. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
::http://www.pokemon.com/fi/pokemon-jaksot/ and http://www.pokemon.com/se/pokemon-avsnitt/ --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I'll get to work on them tomorrow, I am unable to watch them just now. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Also, when you get around to adding the lyrics, the titles of the songs need to go on [[Stand Tall]] in the "In other languages" section; I forgot to mention that earlier. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Of course. I'll keep that in mind. Also, I kinda forgot to do that today, so I'll try to remember it tomorrow. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:02, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

== Lyrics problem ==

Hello, I don't know how much Swedish you speak but I was wondering if you could take a look at Bli en hjälte and Pokémonsången XY because I can't make out the two dotted lines I left at Bli en hjälte and also the question mark at Pokémonsången XY. I'm afraid that I couldn't find Bli en hjälte on youtube, I listened to that at tv4 play, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODba6H8vVJs&list=PL-mKIkFm-cVXWMv4Nmb_S1c9uzx1glO9E&index=3&nohtml5=False here is the link to Pokémonsången XY movie version at youtube]. Tack på förhand. --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 19:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

== Stadium 2 Trainers ==

First of all, thanks for working on getting the details for the trainers in each cup, I at least really appreciate it. :) Do you have any plans to continue with work on the Gym Leader Castle trainers? Currently all of the more detailed information is scattered over about two dozen pages, and only the Gym Leaders and Rocket Executives have any detailed data. The same thing is the case for Stadium 1's GLC as well. If you weren't planning on doing anything with them, I'd probably get to it eventually, but I thought I'd check in with you first. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 02:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:First of all, thanks for the compliment. Second, no I wasn't planning on doing anything with the GLC Trainers. Much like core series Gym Trainers, I don't think they really need any detailed info, at least not on the Gym pages. If there are separate pages for GLC Trainers, I can reconsider. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC) PS. The only Cup thing that I haven't been able to completely add was the Jr. female's Squirtle's moveset in Stadium's [[Fancy Cup|Petit Cup]] Round 2. Any source material I could find incorrectly listed its moveset as the same used by the same Trainer's Meowth in Round 1, which is why it was initially missing from the otherwise already completed Trainer list for the Cup. By watching several videos, I was able to figure out three of Squirtle's moves, but the fourth one is still unknown to me. I hate incompleteness, so I'd really appreciate any kind of help. Thank you.
::I understand, and agree that putting them onto the general "Pewter Gym" and similar pages might be a bit much. I'll probably try making dedicated GLC trainer pages since it feels at least as significant as the other cups to me, but I'm not sure when I'd get around to it. And thanks for the notice about the Squirtle, I'll take a closer look at it. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

== Colo/XD script (Miror B) ==

In response to [[Special:Diff/2469466|this]] lament for Miror B's quotes, you could try checking the {{DL|User:Abcboy|text dumps}} I made for Colo/XD linked on Abcboy's userpage. If you can identify enough of the quote, you can probably get the rest of what came after it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:02, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks a ton! I more than appreciate your gesture! :D --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

== Anime edits ==

Hi! Playerking95 [[User talk:Playerking95#About unnecessary edits|seems to think]] that you've been targetting him/his edits. I'd like to ask you to describe your perspective on this situation. (Please understand I make no judgement either way at this point.)

Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
:(P.S. I'm asking you do it here rather than respond at Playerking's talk page. It could "explode" either way, but it's a bit less likely if we keep this part here for now. Thanks.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

== New episodes ==

In the future, please use {{template|New episode}} when creating pages for new episodes. It's fine to make another edit after substituting the template to change anything the template doesn't fill in. This prevents errors like incorrect preview threads, incorrect ordinal numbers in the intro, allows the interwiki links to be automatically generated, and helps prevent other copy-and-paste errors. Thanks! --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 15:36, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks. I had kinda forgotten that. I'll keep that in mind. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:00, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

== Swimming to Kalos ==
How on earth could that be interpreted as not the same person? A person in a game says he will do the exact same action as someone in a different game has completed, within the same generation, when we know ORAS is set before XY and has references which say as much, and it's the same trainer class, but they're different people? I legitimately dont understand how one could come to that conclusion. [[User:Smear-Gel|Smear-Gel]] ([[User talk:Smear-Gel|talk]]) 05:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
:How about the fact that they '''don't even have the same name?''' Word that piece of trivia a bit differently, and the only thing left to fix are possible grammar errors. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
::Well that's dumb, I didnt even consider they'd do that. Now I wonder why on earth Gamefreak would have put that effort into that easter egg and then make the names different. Not even the Japanese names are the same? Because that seems silly. Either way I guess I need to look into that and reword it before posting again. [[User:Smear-Gel|Smear-Gel]] ([[User talk:Smear-Gel|talk]]) 22:26, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

== Deoxys ==

Did Deoxys use Safeguard or Protect in PG09? And did Deoxys use Recover when it regenerated itself? [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 20:08, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:First off: I'm surprised you thought of ME of all people when deciding to ask someone. Second: I think it was Protect, but I don't think it used Recover. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:13, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== Edit Summaries (again) ==

You've been spoken to before about using edit summaries to vent/complain about other users in the past. Edit summaries like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9_Ball&curid=759&diff=2526760&oldid=2526478 these] are unnecessary and does nothing to contribute to the overall project of Bulbapedia. Follow the {{bp|Code of Conduct}} at all times. Thank you. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:44, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Heatran ==

What moves did Heatran use in PG12? One of which looked like Protect while the first one looked like either Flamethrower or Eruption. [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 19:43, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

== Heatran and Mimikyu ==

What moves did Heatran use in PG12? One of which looked like Protect while the first one looked like either Flamethrower or Eruption. And was Mimikyu using Feint Attack or Wood Hammer in SM003? [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 20:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

== Trainer classes ==

It seems to me that if old information on Plasma and Flare is wrong, we should be correcting that rather than citing it as a justification for maintaining false information on Skull, don't you think? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
:Are you going to answer me? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

I just wanna let you know part of my own personal definition of edit warring. IMO, if you revert (basically) the same edit up to two times, that may or may not be edit warring, depending on the overall situation. But if you do it a third time, that's definitely crossed a line.

That's certainly not to say that toeing that line every time would be advisable or anything. If you can settle a conflict with discussion sooner rather than later, that's definitely preferable. And you've been around long enough. You definitely should know to use talk pages for this sort of thing, rather than trying to do it all right on [[Gladion]]. Please take more care in the future. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:27, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

== Electric Terrain ==

The dub CCs state explicitly that Tapu Koko used the move Electric Terrain. Unless there's explicit evidence to the contrary (like if a character states that the Electric Terrain in SM002 was a result of its Ability) it should be kept on the page. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 18:17, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

== Playthroughs in your userspace ==
Hi!

I really like your playthrough section and would like to use your code to list my playthroughs in my userpage. Is that okay? [[User:Arctic|Arctic]] ([[User talk:Arctic|talk]]) 19:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
:Of course. Go ahead. It's not like I'm the only person who's using it to begin with. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

== Anime moves ==

It looks like you [[Special:Diff/2635947|recently added]] some moves that Playerking removed. I just want to make sure our policy on adding moves from the anime is clear: unless the move is called (or else explicitly identified after being used), don't assume.

The only moves it's tentatively acceptable to identify by animation alone are the ones listed [[User:Force Fire/List of moves with unique animations|here]]. Honestly, I don't know the scenes in question, and Hyper Beam is on that list so I don't know what to say about that; but Bite isn't.

Anyway, please keep this in mind when adding moves for the anime in the future. Thanks! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
:[[Special:Diff/2663846|Please remember]] the above. If you think Hydro Pump has a unique animation, consider bringing it up on the talk page Force Fire's user page. Please be careful as well about generally engaging in edit wars.
:I don't think this guideline is all that hard to grasp. Please remember next time. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
::[[Special:Diff/2678822|This thing]] with Thunder Wave seems to be the exact same situation as Hydro Pump just above. It's been a little while since then so I'm going to remind you this once more, but if it happens again, as far as I'm concerned you will be earning a block to help you remember afterwards. If a move is not stated explicitly, do not add it; at most, ask someone. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
:::''(The resposne below is technically copied from [[Special:Diff/2678964|here]].)''
:::I'm sorry if I seemed arrogant or whatever by adding that {{m|Thunder Wave}} use. However, I would like to assure you that I've learned my lesson: I don't add too ambiguous moves without them being confirmed anymore. However, this case wasn't ambiguous at all in my mind: the animation used for the move was identical to the one used in the {{series|XY}}, you can check it out yourself if you want. A couple other users have also already left agreeing opinions to T-Wave's talk page. Do you give me the permission to restore my edit? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Please keep conversations in one place.
::::In case it wasn't clear after all, this isn't about adding moves that are "too ambiguous". This is about adding moves that are ''not explicitly stated''. If such a move is not on Force Fire's user page, don't add it. Neither Hydro Pump nor Thunder Wave were on that page. You're welcome to ask, but it's not your judgement to make. Ask. Always ask.
::::Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:48, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::The point my friend is trying to make is that Thunder Wave is a completely unique animation and, without a doubt, SHOULD be added to Force Fire's page. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 09:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::For Tiddlywinks: That sounds pretty complicated. I recall that it hasn't always been like that, which is probably why I'm having tough times adapting to this way of doing things. Also, I think that having to wait for an agreement on any unspoken move or Ability's identity sounds really boring, and it feels to me like a legit fact is being withheld from the site for no good reason. But it seems I have no choice but to submit... 
::::::For 05308: Yeah, I agree that it should be done ASAP.
::::::PS. Sorry for rambling. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:12, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I understand your point, 05308; it's still ''your'' opinion and not your decision to make. I hope you follow the same guidelines: ask. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Hol on a minute, is a "point" or an "opinion"- the animation for Thunder Wave that has been used throughout the XY series (And now in the Sun and Moon series) IS a unique animation. That is a fact and not an opinion. Even if you want to argue that what Murkrow used was Upproar, and the animation was (for some reason) exactly the same as Thunder Wave's animation in XY. Thunder Wave's animation in XY was factually unique. Force Fire has acknowledged the list is unfinished so Thunder Wave's absence from the list is not invocative of Thunder Wave not having a unique animation. Don't patronize me with nonsense about everything being an opinion. Thunder Wave should be on the list for its XY (and SM) animation- that's not an opinion. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:38, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::''It's not your judgement to make''.
:::::::::If we just go, sure, we're sure you're right, then we have to allow anyone's opinion about anything. We're not opening that can of worms or we'll just have basically the same as we did before and/or more edit wars.
:::::::::This isn't hard: just ask. I hope you understand. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:56, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::If I may intrude, 05308, I think Tiddlywinks' point that you aren't understanding is that because it's not on the list ''yet'', we must wait until it has been added to the list ''before'' we can add it based on appearance. It's not about whether Thunder Wave might or might not be something else, it's about jumping through the proper hoops even with things you think are "obvious" so that there isn't a precedent for cutting corners in the future when someone decides something else is "obvious" and gets it wrong. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I absolutely understand the thing about not assuming moves and all that comes with it- I don't always agree but whatever. However, Thunder Wave did have a unique animation in XY- that is a fact and not an opinion. I don't care what you put on any of the pages, but opinions and facts are different. If being an admin means you'll not admit you're wrong even at the expense of showing you can understand very simple concepts- you are not doing a good job.

I apologise that all this has to happen on FinnishPokéfan's page. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 22:03, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
:Come on... Look. I'm not saying Thunder Wave isn't a unique move—I'm not making any judgement on that score. Okay? I'm saying your judgement doesn't decide whether it can be added as "unique". I hope you understand. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:51, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
::I understand, I've understood since before I interjected into to conversation, but you keep saying "I hope you understand" and that makes it look like I don't understand. Please stop. By the by, I realise what I said about "simple concepts" would come across quite rude so I apologise for that. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:04, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
:::I feel pretty safe in saying that "I hope you understand" doesn't usually mean literally understand the concepts; it usually means more like "I hope you understand where we're coming from (and can accept it)"... I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm trying to be polite. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:24, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Bureaucracy at its finest. ''Nothing'' goes ''anywhere'' without first being signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters. This is honestly getting kinda ridiculous. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:43, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

== Image ==

I removed the image because out of all the Sun&Moon capture episodes, this was the only one to have it. I thought that images were not suppose to go there.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 18:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

Noticed a few episodes I have created synopsis' for have received a cleanup requirement, any advice on how to clean it up, checked the manual but can't quite understand in relation to my synopsis'--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

== Code of Conduct ==

Over the last several years, you've had many talk page message left by various staff members about following the Code of Conduct and remaining respectful in edit summaries. As you [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Sun_%26_Moon_series_episodes&curid=217082&diff=2664255&oldid=2664243 demonstrated here] this message hasn't reached you. I understand you may disagree or have conflicts with other users, but behavior of this nature creates a very abrasive and non-inviting atmosphere on Bulbapedia. Please take 3 days off and when you return, make it an effort to be more conscious of our policies. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

== Conduct ==

In [[Special:Diff/2669087|your recent comment]] to Playerking, you appear to have tried to avoid directly insulting Playerking, but you quite failed. You did not at all need that line before the "PS". Attempting to disclaim it at the end doesn't make it "OK", it's still an insult. Be careful about how your passions sway you in the future. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
:My apologies. I guess since I was having a sort of bad mood at the moment (walking outside in a rain and so forth) I wanted to vent that bad mood into that insult. But I fully admit, it was inappropriate, and I apologize. I tried to avoid being rude, but it seems I didn't quite make it all the way through. I promise I'll do my best to avoid this in the future. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

== Edit Warring ==

Rather than [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kiawe%27s_Marowak&diff=2670213&oldid=2670210 complaining about it in the edit summary], try using the talk pages to sort out issues. They are there for a reason. You've been here long enough to know not to edit war. Regarding the trivia, you're stretching the trivia too far to make it notable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:59, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

== Talk pages ==

Rather than trying to sort out disagreements using the edit summaries, go to the user's talk page and discuss it there. Going back and forth in the edit summaries is a futile attempt and comes off as edit warring. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

== Direct linking ==

I'm not gonna try to argue with you because it's clear you won't listen. But I just want to ask you this: what is the point of the staff ruling on something if you're just going to ignore the ruling and say you "don't care" about it? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, that's just how I can be when I'm in a grumpy. I know it doesn't justify anything, and I apologize. I just get irritated when I see redirect links being added on purpose. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:34, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

== DJ Leo ==

Were the Dugtrio's names the same in the Finnish dub as in the English? --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 15:30, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
:Nope. They're the same as the Swedish ones. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:56, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

==Hey==
Goes without saying, I'm glad that Bulbapedia is unlocked once more--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
:Agreed. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

== hello ==

Hello, well, I'm new to the page and I wanted to know what is the error of my grammar, I do not see anything wrong, I just wanted to know what are the mistakes friend.

--[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|talk]]) 11:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry if this sounds harsh, but your grammar is unsuitable for Bulbapedia's standards. Not using big capital letters when needed is just one of your many problems. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry, my English is not so good, but I can fix it
--[[User:Grizzlyring123|Grizzlyring123]] ([[User talk:Grizzlyring123|talk]]) 11:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

== Help please ==

I would like to be able to edit my profile, but since I am a user I can not do it and it is frustrating. How can I change user to another rank? I want to edit my profile.

I've seen other people if they can

--Grizzlyring123 (talk) 12:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:If you want to edit your user page, just click the red link on your user name. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

== Finnish name ==

I'm sort of iffy on this one, could you check if it adds up? [[Special:diff/2734483]] --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 13:11, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
:Yeah, that wasn't right at all. Thanks for asking. Also, it's just a direct translation of "Repel" instead of "Max Repel", so I took the liberty of removing it from that page. If you wish for me to add the correct translation to [[Repel]]'s page, I can gladly do that. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
::Yeah, why not? The Swedish and Danish are litterally both just "Insect spray" anyway, I'll move them too. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 16:15, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

== Update Snap Articuno ==

Hi,

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Fossil_2)&diff=0&oldid=2737190
The information on the trivia section is incorrect as the card will have the SNAP writing on the bottom as seen on a copy I have recently purchase from Japan - https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m224480649
This is misinformation from the old pokemon book which had the wrong scans inside it which didnt have the writing on 3 of the card Squirtle, Charmander and Articuno. I had purchased a squirtle and charmander S~nap promo and forwarded scans for you to update a couple months back and will do the same once the articuno is in my hands. Il send the scans through the discord server as last time.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:CharmanderSnapBestPhotoContest.jpg /https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SquirtleSnapBestPhotoContest.jpg As you can see I provided the scans for both of the updated images.

Any problems and information you require just let me know.

[[User:Onlycollectables|Onlycollectables]] ([[User talk:Onlycollectables|talk]]) 12:37, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

== Edit summaries ==

Could you please stop with the semi-aggressive edit summaries, like the "Please" and "No, no, no" that you commonly do. If you have a problem with someone's reading and writing skills, you can go to the user's talk page and correct them on their errors. Do understand that there are some users who first language is not English, so errors are bound to appear. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

== Bone Rush edit ==

I apologize, I was looking at the wrong section. That said, I think the 'Incomplete' tag belongs in the 'In other generations' section, as that is where the Gen VI image is missing from {{unsigned|Bg samm}}
:I can understand that. Just be careful not to make this kind of mistakes in the future. Also, don't forget to sign your comments on talk pages. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:03, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

== Item availability ==

I'd argue that since Po Town is only accessible in Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon(as of right now), someone would know that an item is available in all those versions without it having to be stated outright.--[[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 13:08, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
:I was merely trying to avoid confusion, so that people don't mistake that the note saying "USUM" would be referring to ''both'' items, instead of just the latter. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
::You could simply put the Team Skull Cap first, I feel that could resolve the problem just as well.--[[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 03:04, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

== Platinum's Froslass ==
Do you want [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Platinum's Froslass]] to be mainspaced? If so ask [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] to do it. I'll also stop creating redirect links. [[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 11:53, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks. I'll do so. And thanks for hearing me out. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::Do you plan on asking him anytime soon? [[User:Reinhartmax|Reinhartmax]] ([[User talk:Reinhartmax|talk]]) 18:57, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I meant to ask during the weekend, but forgot. I'll get to it at some point, I haven't forgotten about it. Don't worry. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

== Undoing linking edits ==

We were talking about this before, and as far as I'm concerned, my conclusion was to respect you and your position even though I don't really understand all of it. And because you do have a point that, at any specific point in time, {{template|DL}}s are typically better than redirect links, I've refrained from going to any page in order to only change links there when I have no intention to create the item article(s) myself soonish. It's just a matter of time, though, since all (regular) items are going to receive independent articles in the near future (hopefully). Not sure if you knew this, but now you do, please be aware that I don't really see the point in changing links to future articles back to DLs as adamantly as you have done. That's essentially two extra edits (and I'm trying to minimize edits), and more future work.

To answer [[Special:Diff/2754146|your specific question]]: I've asked a staff member who has the appropriate powers to mainspace articles on both "Bottle Cap" and "Gold Bottle Cap" that already exist in the userspace. You will see my motivation when you think of what would happen if these are mainspaced ''before'' the links are changed: text that says "Gold Bottle Cap" would link to a page that does not cover "Gold Bottle Cap", and that's to be avoided. (And I didn't look for pages with only <code><nowiki>{{DL|Bottle Cap|Bottle Cap}}</nowiki></code> but without <code><nowiki>{{DL|Bottle Cap|Gold Bottle Cap}}</nowiki></code>, because the first one technically ''can'' be changed later, which I understand you prefer.)

So, please, try to not only see your position, and try to avoid edit wars, for I can assure you I try to do the same. If any of ''my'' edits are of serious concern, I will probably have a reason, and some others probably have, too. And before anything else, please don't just undo, and don't undo and ask for clarification in the edit summary; I know you know where my talk page is. Thanks! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:33, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

:I've had some (kinda sorta) paperwork to do today, so I'm going to be brief here: I apologize for my apparent selfishness. It's a trait I have that is not intentional, and I didn't mean to offend you. I understand now. Thanks for explaining. (PS. I had kinda already forgotten about this whole thing already, in fact, so this came just a little bit out of the blue.) --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:39, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::You're welcome, and thanks for understanding. (I wasn't offended anyway, there's no hard feelings.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Good. No hard feelings on either side. Let's hope you'll get those item pages done soon. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

== Violet City ==

Why are you continually undoing changes that make the page more accurate and precise? Retrogression = Evil, are you trying to be evil?

[[User:Monsterhart|monsterhart]] ([[User talk:Monsterhart|talk]]) 09:54, 5 April 2018 (PT)

In the future if you notice a formatting error in 1 part of a multipart edit where the other part(s) are simply corrections to text, edit the page and fix the formatting of that one part. Don't just undo the entire edit, leave it alone and let someone else fix it if you don't feel like fixing the mistake properly. I eventually figured out the mistake and fixed it myself anyway.

[[User:Monsterhart|monsterhart]] ([[User talk:Monsterhart|talk]]) 10:57, 5 April 2018 (PT)

:1) Whoa! That's a bit too much. There's no reason to be rude. 2) Except that you didn't. You only added one item instead of the complete Rock Smash item list. However, I ''do'' thank you for noticing that Violet City had a smashable rock which Bulbapedia had forgotten to mention. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:20, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

::1) Why didn’t you answer my question? How is it too much to ask if your intention is to hurt the website rather than improve it? And is it considered rude to ask someones intentions now? Where I’m from asking someones intentions is how issues are resolved and thus is seen as a sign of maturity, not rudeness.

::2) Except that I did, which you know because in your most recent edit in order to worsen the grammar you edited the same thing which was the other thing I had edited. I changed it from “On the grey island...” to “In the upper left of the grey island...” which I made to improve the website after spending a significant amount of time searching the entire island and it being in the last place I looked. You were undoing this the entire time too, and it shows you what has been changed so I don’t understand how you could have actually missed it and assume you are just lying for some reason... Further more you changed it to “On the upper left side of the small grey island...” which adds an unnecessary word (more reading without improved clarity is a detriment) and changes a correct word to an incorrect one. Though in your defense that is a common mistake for ESL learners, at least I’m assuming Finnish is your first language.

::So why would you undo that? In my second message and on I then knew you were undoing it because of the rock smash thing but I didn’t know that at the time I wrote the first message. Also I’ve played HG twice and SS once and all 3 times I found a Heart Scale in that exact rock, so I assumed it was a permanent fixture rather than just a random event.

::So the only reason I was able to imagine that you would be undoing my post is because you wanted the website to not progress, but instead of just reporting you I did the mature thing in recognizing that it could be for some practical reason I was unable to imagine and asked you in the most concise way I could think of (because people on the internet vehemently insist on conciseness 99.9% of the time) if what I thought was truly the case or if you had some other reason for it. Which it turns out you did have a good reason, at least for part of it. You’ve yet to give me a good reason for why you were also undoing my clarity change for that specific item though.

::[[User:Monsterhart|monsterhart]] ([[User talk:Monsterhart|talk]]) 10:27, 6 April 2018 (PT)

:::I'll be as brief as possible with my answer: I'm not trying to be evil or prevent this site from progressing, quite the opposite, in fact. I'm merely trying to keep the quality as close to Bulbapedia's standards as possible. And you can see that your most recent edit on the page was reversed by one of the higher-ranking members of this site, meaning that you may have to broaden your views on how to improve this site. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:47, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

::::He clearly did that to be offensive. He was flaunting his authority in order to punish me for “attacking” you (as he stated on my talk page) even though I clearly did not do that. Such a thing is an abuse of power and does not mean that I was wrong about this.

::::Edit: However I do feel that the situation on the Violet City page between the two of us is more or less resolved, and no longer feel the need to further discuss it with you. If you really were offended by the wording of my initial question I apologize, that was not my intention. My intention was to express my perspective on your actions and give you the opportunity to present an alternative possibility, so as to lead to the resolution of the “undo war” between us which was indeed the result.

::::[[User:Monsterhart|monsterhart]] ([[User talk:Monsterhart|talk]]) 11:44, 6 April 2018 (PT)

== SM052 Complaint ==

"Not good enough for Bulbapedia's standards"? Dude, I left that incomplete stub tag there for a reason. The plot was still incomplete. I was gonna go back to add more and you went and deleted it entirely, all because it's not good enough for Bulbapedia's standards? How could the plot I put in, which was incomplete as the stub stated, be not good enough for Bulbapedia's standards? You have to be more specific than that, or do you insist the plot remains blank until its fully complete? You sir, have no disrespect for those who were just trying to help. Now thanks to you, I lost motivation to work on that page. [[User:Char89|Char89]] ([[User talk:Char89|talk]]) 05:16, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
:Whoa! No need to be aggressive! Just leaving the synopsis temporarily incomplete wasn't the problem. (I've done some synopsises in bits myself, too.) The problem was your grammar. ''That'' was the thing I felt wasn't up to code. Sorry. I know you want to help, but if your help isn't good enough, it will just take other users' time in fixing it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:21, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
::My grammar? You mean to tell me, the plot I've written on that page was deleted because of my grammar? What are you, an English teacher? What the heck's wrong with my grammar that causes you to delete it? And don't think I don't notice the other complaints you've been receiving. I've seen users upset with you because you delete their edits because of "Bulbapedia's standards." If it violates the standards, then let the admins handle it. You're making a bad reputation for yourself by being the grammar nazi here. I was only trying to contribute to the wiki, but instead you undo my edit saying my grammar is bad. What a waste of my time. Listen, if you don't stop deleting pages because it doesn't meet the standards, sooner or later someone will report you to the admin. You want to talk grammar, here's something. "Synopsises" is not even a real word. [[User:Char89|Char89]] ([[User talk:Char89|talk]]) 05:39, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

== Core Series games Quotes ==

I'm currently doing a overhaul of all the quotes for NPCs for all core series games from Kanto to Alola. For Colress, the line for Route 8 after becoming the Champion "Genesect is a..." only happens when a player selects "I don't", and not for "I do!". And last time, we have decided against bold-ing the words in a "scream" speech balloon. As for the linking of references to other characters or items, I'll have to ask if we are doing the linking or not (well, I predict they'll say it doesn't matter). If yes, I'll have to apply this to all other NPCs. If not, all links references will be removed. Cheers! — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 08:50, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry. I just got a little carried away. I can easily get arrogant towards people who are doing stuff I at first glance deem wrong. I apologize. It's a characteristic of mine that needs some SERIOUS work. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

== Re: {{t|Dragon}} trivia. ==

Another page ''used to'' have trivia like that, but not anymore. Also, if we say that Dragon has been combined with every type except Bug, shouldn't we say Grass has been combined with every type except Fire? (We say that Water and Flying have been combined with every type in their lists of Pokémon). [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 12:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
:If that fact is indeed true, I see why not. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:18, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
It's already listed there. [[User:Dinosauramiable|Dinosauramiable]] ([[User talk:Dinosauramiable|talk]]) 20:13, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

== File name mistake on the Archives ==
I accidentally uploaded a file to "BW076 original trailer.png" when I meant to put "SM076 original trailer.png." Are you able to fix it, please? [[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 04:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
:I'd love to help you, but I can't. Only admins are allowed to move image file names. Ask one of them if they could help. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:57, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

==Adding legendary stats==
I am planning to add the stats of the legendary Pokémon encounters that are uncatchable (eg. fused Kyurem, fused Necrozma, Ultra Necrozma). [[User:Jskylinegtr|Jskylinegtr]] ([[User talk:Jskylinegtr|talk]]) 05:43, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry, but the higher-ups have said no to this kind of stuff before and now. Talk with them if you want to. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

== Poke ball on Route 104 ==

It requires going through a certain section of Petalburg Woods, and doesn't that section require cut? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:39, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:I checked it, and it doesn't. Next time, please check stuff like this before making an edit. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 03:38, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
::You're right. Sorry. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:05, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

== Shadow Hold ==

Why did you delete my edit? [[Shadow Hold]] IS similar to [[Spirit Shackle]] in the way it prevents opponents from switching out.
:All they have in common is that they trap the opposing Pokémon. That's it. Shadow Hold doesn't even do damage like Spirit Shackle. Besides, they were released four Generations apart. PS. Please use link templates to avoid redirect links. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:17, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

== Protecting moves ==

Why did you delete my edits on Protecting moves failing? If both mons use Protect in the same turn, then the move for the mon that protects last fails. I described this and, instead of fixing it yourself because I have bad grammar or something, you deleted it; your reasoning was that it "Needs a bit of adjusting... " Here is a link to why that information is important in battle: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-767832306 (skip to turn 19). {{unsigned|Dawkamist}}
:It's not that I don't believe the validity of your information. I just think you didn't do those edits properly, like placing the text in improper places, and not putting links where they should be. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

== Unique moves ==

The point of not presuming a move is for people not to presume they know best. You may think this or that case is COMPLETELY obvious, but if we allow one person to get by because something is "obvious", that just leaves room for someone else to think they know best too and complain if it was okay for someone else but not them. The whole point is to just cut out ANY possibility for such arguments by ONLY acknowledging moves that have been explicitly named or (at least tentatively) explicitly approved otherwise.

Mind Blown has not been approved. You cannot assume that it should be.

It may be very possible that Mind Blown will be approved, but that's not ''your'' decision. Ask. Ask anyone on staff. Then we'll decide what's warranted.

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:48, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

== Clean Up messages ==

Hi FinnishPokéFan92,

I've noticed you have placed several clean up messages on a few of the plot summaries that I have posted. While other users have cleaned up several other Sun and Moon episode plots, I've noticed that SM063 and SM068 are yet to be cleaned up, as well as an earlier alert posted on Morty's Gengar. It would be of great assistance if you can point out what glaring issues that are required to be cleaned up, I'm afraid that I cannot see any issues, and maybe other users cannot either. Plus the feedback would also help me for my future edits going forward.

Also thank you for the work you have been doing on various associated anime pages. I appreciated the note of feedback on the Cinnabar Island page as it allowed me to put the right information on the right pages.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 14:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment! 
The thing is, I just find that the language in some synopsises is kinda clunky and does not flow too well. I would want to help fixing them, but, to be perfectly blunt, I don't usually have the patience or attention span required for that kind of thing. Sorry. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:08, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:: Flow - that gives me some direction to follow. Thanks [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 16:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

== SM081 ==

I was wondering why you removed the Battle Royal part from the major events. I would think a battle like that would be important enough. {{unsigned|Rahl}}
:I don't see it being as important to the overall plot of the series as Ash's previous matches with the Masked Royal. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:05, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

== Stub Removal ==

Hi FinnishPokéFan92,

I and GrammarFreak01 have been busy editing several stub pages in the hope of having them be removed from the stub list. I thought it was best that a third party, like yourself, do the evaluation and hopefully the removal of such messages? Or is there someone else who is in charge of such a procedure? [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:15, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
:Oh? Was supposed to be decided by somebody else? Sorry. I didn't know. I just figured that those pages seemed long enough to not be considered stubs anymore. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
:: I'm afraid they hadn't been evaluated yet. Here are the pages:

*[[Absentia Natural Park]]
*[[Ephraim's parents]]
*[[Alex's grandfather]]
*[[Angus]]
*[[Corina]]
*[[Betty]]
*[[Delbert]]
*[[Gail]]
*[[Luna Carson]]
*[[cliff]]
*[[Kingdom of the Vale]]
*[[Galea]]
*[[Fitzwilliam]]
*[[Connally]]
*[[Edmund]]

Thanks [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry, but I really didn't need that list. I didn't even ask for it. I merely apologized for not knowing that the removal of the "stub" template apparently requires a third party decision (if that indeed is the case, because I've never even heard of it before). In either case, that list is completely unnecessary for me. Just so that you know. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::::I'd misinterpreted your earlier comment. And I am not aware of needing a third party to remove stubs, I just assumed that may be the case, apologies for the confusion.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 04:57, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Good. So no harm done. Apology accepted. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:08, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::I found information on the stub removal policy. It clarified that if a page was filled with enough information the stub alert could be deleted. For some other features like voice actor's or a new image an incomplete alert could be placed instead. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:01, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I think all you need to do to remove stubs is to add verifiable information to it that might've been originally missing. That's all. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

== Route 112 trivia ==

When someone adds trivia that's good but has bad grammar, you're supposed to correct the grammar, right? Not delete it completely? Anyway, what was wrong with my trivium? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:The grammar wasn't up to code, the title was done the wrong way... I admit. It was late and I simply didn't feel up to just fixing it, so I took the easier route. But whatever the case, it wasn't up to code. The piece of trivia itself may very well have been valid, but the way you tried to add it to the page was inadequate. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
::I re-added it. Is it better now? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Almost. The title was a bit off, but I fixed it. Now it should be fine. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:16, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks for not deleting it this time. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::The mistakes were much more easier to fix up and I wasn't as tired as before, so it was no problem. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:39, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Route 5 Cut link ==

I'm trying my best, but I can't for the life of me think of any good reason to remove a link to {{m|Cut}} on the [[Kalos Route 5]] page. Is there some Bulbapedia policy that discourages linking to moves in that context? Or one that encourages scouring page histories to undo any revision that didn't add ''enough'' to the article? I was under the impression that minor edits were allowed. And if it were up to me, I'd say the only revisions that should be undone are ones that make an article worse. — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 02:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:Oh, minor edits are allowed. We just don't tend to add links to Trainer template divider titles. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::Why? — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 14:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Why not? Besides, the links to those moves also exist elsewhere on the page. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:17, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::::"Why not?" Because links can be helpful, that's why we have them. And I really, truly doubt that duplicating links is the issue, because if it were, we wouldn't allow [[Kalos Route 18#West of the river|fifty-one duplicate links in a single table]]. The most relevant portion of the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style#Article titles|manual of style]] recommends to "only link to an article once within a given portion of text". I assume a portion of text means a paragraph, bullet point, table cell, or the like, not a whole article. "''Instances further apart may be linked to more than once.''" (The [[wp:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Repeated links|corresponding Wikipedia policy]] is that "a link may be repeated in infoboxes, ''tables'', […] and at the first occurrence after the lead.")
::::The question you should ask yourself when undoing an edit is, ''How did this edit make the article worse?'' You need a better answer than "why not". — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 17:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Whoa! You were more versed in this than I would've guessed. I'll be honest with you, I just saw that your edit was poorly made (as well as unnecessary for the reasons I gave above), so I deleted it. Sorry. But I still stand by my point: there's no need for it. It's perfectly fine to have repeated move links in the item templates and such, but there's no need to start adding move links to where they have never existed, such as the Trainer template divider titles. So may I please ask you to let this go? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::I'm curious what you mean when you say the edit was "poorly made". I took care to include an HTML span tag to make sure the link stayed white instead of turning blue, since blue would've looked poor on the dark background. (The <nowiki>{{m|Cut}}</nowiki> template doesn't allow tags like that, which is why I didn't use it.) The only way someone would even have noticed the link is if they wanted to click it, or if they were scouring the page history.
::::::At this point don't really care anymore whether the thing's linked or not. I'm not gonna re-link it. I just want to convince you not to undo any more people's contributions without a better reason than "because I personally wouldn't have bothered making this edit". Can we agree to that? — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 18:50, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Hey, I swear that has NEVER been my (main) reason for undoing edits. Most of the time, there hs been a very good reason for it, only in a small minority have I done it for personal disagreement. Also, I recommend you learn to use the {{template|color}} and {{template|color2}} templates. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::If that's not the reason, then what is? I can't think what the difference might be between an "unnecessary" edit and one that's not worth bothering to make. And if it's because I didn't use the template, why would you undo rather than improve? Adding {{template|color2}} is easy. I didn't know about the template, but you did, and that's why wikis are collaborative.
::::::::[[wp:Help:Reverting#Before reverting|Undoing a good-faith edit is invalidating someone's attempt to help the wiki,]] which discourages them from contributing in the future. It should be done ''only'' when there's no feasible way to improve their contribution instead. — [[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 21:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Geez! Based on your edit that I undid, I jumped to conclusions and assumed you were just a new user who didn't know their stuff, but clearly I was wrong! I'm sorry. Also, I'm not defending those edits that I've done for personal disagreements rather than solid reasons. I was being kinda stupid at those times. And hey, I hope those new templates will come in handy for you! --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

== "That is only if we have more Team Skull Grunts than them" ==
No it isn't. Look at BW114 and SM025's pages. It's listed because they're a part of the collection of Grunts. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 14:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing those out. I fixed them now. That is only used if more than the named Grunts appear in an episode. Otherwise, that's misleading. And it applies to other groups of people as well. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:49, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

== SM083 ==

Hi,

Just saw the large undoing, which wasn't required.

I was about to apologize, and have also just re-checked you edits but they are reading in unnecessary information and grammatical errors that my edition had previously fixed. The reason for the drastic changes was largely due words ending in -ing, which are typically avoided to give the sentences more of an present tense than sounding like you are in midst of an action. And I noticed a few of the links were missing. Though I must commend you on the detail, an edit summary with over 10,000 bytes usually indicates an action packed episode and I feel you were able to capture that. I apologize for the sudden changes, but saw that they were needed. I wouldn't view the changes as a complete re-write, as I didn't have to add anything to the actual plot, it was literally just editing the sentences which in some were sometimes too long (I make the same error as well).[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 11:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
:I haven't had time and currently don't have time to sort out who's in the right or in the wrong here but I do know you both need to stop edit warring. It accomplishes nothing, so talk it out here or on the article's talk page. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 11:50, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
::To clarify the situation, FinnishPokeFan92 became overwhelmed with all of my changes which were grammar based and undid everything by republished his old edition. I later found out and re-added them, with some of his later ones in mind as the same issues had persisted from earlier.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 11:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I had actually only ''mostly'' undone your edit earlier today, modifying some of the parts you had added to better fit into the synopsis, while readding some stuff that I feel was unnecessarily removed or removing some overly detailed parts. GrammarFreak01 had actually already redone a lot of your edits when I plastered my own version on top of their version, but they took it well. Let's be honest here: your intentions were good, but you also ended up adding a lot of new errors in the process, replacing the mistakes that were already being fixed. You should try just fixing the mistakes instead of rewriting the entire synopsis, unless the mistakes simply are that extensive. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:18, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
:::: I streamlined the plot to reduce some of the sentence lengths and also some of the unnecessary details such as characters asking questions. GrammarFreak01 made some structural changes which were incorporated and I re-added some of your edits, prior to me reading the edited plot summary that I had earlier done as yes, there were in fact a few wrong words used by me. The sentences that were re-written was because the tense was wrong (words ending in -ing are usually avoided, but were throughout the old edition), not the information. And some words don't work well in the same sentence with just a change of tense, so a sentence has to be reconfigured to account for that.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 12:32, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Please note that I saw your re added segments to the plot line, despite them having been removed for good reasons. I will not be making any further changes despite my previously outlined reasons for the deletions.

:::::Now my real issue is with your snide comments on the SM084 and SM085 pages and again leaving another useless "not up to standards" template. Whether those are of a personal nature or not, please note that actual feedback for both myself and for PKMN Trainer Ryan who added the respective plots is required to ensure such errors do not occur again and that either the users in question or another user can rectify them. Do not continue this same conduct as it is a cause for friction and does not aid anyone or even the site, as you are unwilling to make the necessary changes yourself, in becoming better [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 09:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::Firstly: what added segments are you referring to?
::::::Secondly: those templates are not "useless". Those synopsises are in a genuine need of improvement, no matter who made them. True, maybe I should notify the users who made said synopsises directly on their talk pages, but I don't see that I did anything wrong by adding those cleanup templates. Also, your words come off as unnecessarily rude and rather self-important. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::PardescanSlowbro is right, just adding a cleanup template with a frustrated edit summary helps no one, especially in 1) recent contributions (as opposed to old/low traffic pages), 2) such large contributions, and 3) contributions by regular editors.
:::::::You should try to always make your edit summaries useful if you're going to put anything there. If people are going to contribute regularly, it's much better to help them. More--and more experienced--people on Bulbapedia is a good thing. FYI I read at least the first paragraph of SM 84 and 85 and there's nothing that ABSOLUTELY needs improvement to my eye. (And FWIW, don't worry about telling ME what all the problems are here; I don't need it, they do.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::::SM085 I can somewhat agree with, but if you seriously aren't seeing anything wrong with SM084's synopsis... I'm actually inclined to just deleting said synopsis so that it can be rewritten from the ground up later. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:23, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

== Paintings depicting Pokémon ==

As noted in the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime|Manual of Style for anime articles]], statues, posters, and other man made object depicting Pokémon do not count as appearances. Paintings fall under man made objects.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:42, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

== Stealing items from [[Iris]] ==

It's possible to steal the Life Orb from Iris' {{tt|Druddigon|All battles except the rematches in Challenge Mode}} or {{tt|Salamence|Rematch in Challenge Mode}}.
[[User:TheICTLiker4|TheICTLiker4]] ([[User talk:TheICTLiker4|talk]]) 05:57, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
:It is. However, you can't just keep the item after the battle, so it doesn't count. Permanently stealing items from NPC Pokémon has been impossible since [[Generation IV]]. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:59, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

== mt moon items ==

i was just being more specific. dome and helix are the actual fossils and it seems better than just fossils, so why not? -[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 02:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:You don't have to be ''too'' specific. They're listed right there on the same list. And about the Super Nerd, he didn't have a name in Generation I, so simply referring him to as "Super Nerd" in the item location description applies to all Generations where he's present. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
::but dome and helix fossils link to regular fossils so fossils are just another click away. me personally i treat each item as a separate line thats why they all have links so i think being more specific is only beneficial. i agree with the super nerd tho. -[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 17:38, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:::The paired Fossil articles are planned to be split into their articles, plus I don't think repeated links would look good. Also, why aren't you using any capital letters? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
::::even if they are being planned to split, we can still link to both when that time comes. and when u say repeating links i see team rocket grunt repeated a million times, which seems fine to me. too lazy to use shift. -[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 21:48, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::Whatever. And I meant repeating links in the item list location descriptions. Also, being too lazy to use shift... Wow. Just, wow. It's honestly not that hard. Don't make yourself look ridiculously lazy, please. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::so by whatever can i take it i can change the link to dome and helix fossils? :) yeah i also meant repeating links in the item list. i see rocket grunt links a million times there. -[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 21:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Go ahead. I'll make adjustments if I see it necessary, but I'll keep this conversation in mind while doing so. PS. Please start using big capital letters. It's honestly not that hard. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:23, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

== repeated links ==

u seem to have a problem with repeated links; however if i go to mt moon items section i can see a team rocket grunt link over and over. so what's the problem? -[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:27, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
:The problem is that you shouldn't ''purposefully'' add repeated links. And removing them is always a plus. Plus, repeated Trainer class links on Trainer lists are a bit different case than repeated links in the item descriptions. PS. Please start using big capital letters when necessary. You're making yourself look lazy by not doing it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:53, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

== {{t|Fairy}} type vs. {{type|Fairy}} ==

What's the difference supposed to be between those two? When am I supposed to use {{t|Fairy}} type and when am I supposed to use {{type|Fairy}}? I find this very confusing. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:26, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:The difference is that "X-type" is an adjective, while "X type" is a noun. A good mnemonic is that "X-type" is always followed by a word, like "Sylveon is a Fairy-type Pokémon", but "X type" is not, like "Sylveon is a Fairy type". I hope that clears it up for you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think I get it now. Thanks. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

==Redirect==
Don't suppose you know how we can redirect links like Lusamine's Cleffa and Lusamine's Clefairy to [[Lusamine's Clefable]]?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:43, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

:I think I just took care of that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:11, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

::It's really simple, actually. Just make a page with the redirect title, write <nowiki>#REDIRECT</nowiki>, and add the link to the page you want the redirect to lead to after that. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:48, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== Regarding Playerking ==

Hey, I just want to point out that edit summaries like [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Air_Slash_(move)&diff=2841270&oldid=2841250 these] can be considered rude. It's fine to have disagreements with another user, but to tell them to be quiet isn't the way to solve those disagreements. Preferably, discuss it with Playerking on a suitable talk page.

Besides that, may I ask what your motivation is for adding several moves, such as Flash Cannon for Nebby and Air Slash? I haven't seen the episode yet, but you should know by now that Bulbapedia is built on proof, especially when it comes to moves being used. If they weren't called out on screen, please wait until they are in another episode or wait for the closed captioning. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 14:33, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
:Okay, I admit that I may have been a bit rude, but those moves have exactly same animations as we've already seen in the anime. Air Slash is even used in this very same episode. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:01, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

== Route 206 items ==

Why did you undo my edit? A bunch of other location pages, like Mt. Coronet, have multiple item tables. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:55, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, your edit was valid. There were just a couple of errors I noticed. 1) Leave a space in between the templates. 2) You missed a couple of items that should've been under the bridge. I also felt a bit grumpy yesterday, so I didn't feel like fixing your edit, so I instead went the lazy route and undid it entirely. Don't worry. I can put it the proper way to satisfy us both now. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:07, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
::Okay thanks. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:27, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

== Anime move mistakes ==

I am hereby informing you that, due to continued and widespread failure to follow the anime move policy, I will be instituting a '''3 strikes policy''' for anime moves. If a user adds a move that should not be added, they get a strike. If they make another mistake when they have 3 strikes, they will receive a block. This applies to you as soon as this is posted. (I.e., you are currently at 0 strikes.)

I will attempt to reiterate the anime move policy here so that it as simple as possible to follow:
* If a move is explicitly commanded, identified by a character after the fact, or identified by closed captions, it can be added.
* If the move is on [[User:Force Fire/List of moves with unique animations]], it can be added.
In no other circumstances should a move be added. If you cannot testify that the above conditions were met ''when you added a move'', you will receive a strike. If you feel that a move ''should'' be acknowledged, please feel free to bring it up to me or any {{bp|staff}} member.

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:I'm going to give you 24 hours to explain how [[Special:Diff/2850812|this reversion]] meets the criteria outlined above. If you cannot, you will gain a strike. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:19, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, maybe it doesn't, but honestly, you just aren't using common sense! You are actively removing valid information by saying that since it wasn't stated out loud, it doesn't count. This wasn't an issue at one point in Bulbapedia's history, so why is it now? '''Why?!''' There was a time when we weren't restricted by rules as unnecessarily strict as these! You are actively making Bulbapedia '''lie''' to people by removing information that even '''they''' can see is true and valid! Honestly, if there is uncertainty about a move's identity, then '''discuss''' about it! Don't '''remove''' it!
::Also, like I said in the edit summary, Nebby's attack '''was''' Sunsteel Strike, since it's required to use Searing Sunraze Smash, which it had used in the previous episode. "Glowing headbutt"? Are you serious?! The animation even looks identical to the one in the games in the later appearance! I don't want to consider you as a narrow-minded or stupid person, so please, don't act like one! I'm only trying to help Bulbapedia from hurting itself! --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
::PS. Sorry about my rudeness there. I'm just really passionate about this subject. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:39, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:::''"Why is it [an issue] now?"'' Because of things like finding out someone made a wrong guess with Air Slash or Psycho Cut or whatever.
:::You say, ''"if there is uncertainty about a move's identity, then '''discuss''' about it!"'' A number of people one way or another missed the chance...[[Talk:Sunsteel Strike (move)#SM053]]. In fact, I ''was'' half prepared to remove it, but I decided instead to leave that question on the talk page. Then I forgot for a while and when I remembered again I was disappointed to notice it still hadn't gotten any response. Besides which, the same goes for you: '''discuss''' it. Stop reverting just because you're "sure". Stop reverting without any new insights. I don't like to pull the authority card, but stop reverting staff just because you don't like it. '''Discuss'''. This here is important: I DO NOT say that we are hostile to all of your wants. But I, for one, just want some ''order''. We never said that people can just assume—in one place or another, we have explicitly said that's what we don't want. But I've also asked you all to ask someone on staff, and I really can't think of one time where that was anyone's first reaction. Can you see how that just gets frustrating, when I keep trying to push that? That's why I went to zero tolerance with these strikes.
:::DISCUSS. We/I am here to listen. You may be very reasonable, and we may find a way to accomodate you. But it doesn't happen if you won't talk first. (Editing first will get you strikes.)
:::So... You're maintaining that Nebby used Sunsteel Strike. Just to be sure we can talk about the same thing reliably, please...well, please just respond to [[Talk:Sunsteel Strike (move)#SM053]] as requested there. We'll figure it out there.
:::Since you have not been able to meet the criteria clearly outlined above...
:::You are at 1 strike. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:40, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
::::I left the response. Again, sorry for my rudeness. I can be rude when I get frustrated, even on authority figures, because in those cases, my mindset basically becomes: "Oh, so this authority figure thinks I can't say something against their opinion? Just watch me!" I know it's not right or polite in the slightest, so, again, I apologise. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC) PS. I had actually completely forgotten about this strike system until now. That's what tends to happen with me with things that I haven't been reminded of enough.

You're super bringing this on yourself... I'm thinking that if you haven't learned so far (and with so little time passed as well in this recent case), then I'll let you dig your own grave until you finally get deep enough to learn something from it.

I'm going to skip checking whether you can justify [[Special:Diff/2852505|this edit]] since it's about the same thing you got strike 1 for and nothing has changed since then.

You are at 2 strikes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:21, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
:To be honest, I WAS going to reverse the edit on Sunsteel Strike's own page as well. But I knew you'd react like this, so I instead left a message on the talk page. But apparently, even the thing I did was too much for you. Bleh... --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:09, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
:Yeah. I admit. I should've removed the edit I did, or better yet, not done it at all. I'm sorry. Is it possible for me to get that second strike removed? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:14, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
::I think not. FWIW 3 strikes is not "out", it's basically your last warning. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

== My error ==

Sorry about mistaking Magic Coat as Mirror Coat, I should have read a little more before posting that. :P ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 13:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
:It's okay. The important thing is you recognized your mistake and fixed it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

== Skrub's Hitmontop ==

Since I was the one who found the information in question I was told I should be the one to explain it. I was prompted to look into this when someone asked me why Eagun's Pikachu could miss moves with 100 Accuracy when battling Skrub. Since I had the files and the know-how, I looked at each instance of Skrub's Hitmontop in Colosseum's common.rel. The important thing to note is that:

The Hitmontop for Eagun's Battle at 0xDD66F9, lists 0xED as holding 0xB3, which translates to a Bright Powder
All other instances, such as in his first battle with you at 0xD34A9, list 0xED as holding 0xCF, which translates to a Black Belt.

I've not seen anyone else who's proven this, so you'll just have to take my word on it.

https://imgur.com/a/YTWog00

[[User:Unalive|Unalive]] ([[User talk:Unalive|talk]]) 18:55, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
:Okay. Thank you. This is a good and reliable source. But next time, please provide your source right away to avoid cases like this. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

== floor order ==

floor order overrides game order? Since when? there are plenty of pages where game order is used over floor order. here's two: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Rock_Tunnel#Items
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Seafoam_Islands#Items
plus game order is easier to follow--[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 17:20, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:Those are pages where this issue just hasn't been fixed yet. Feel free to do it yourself, if you want to. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::"those are the pages". every page is like this. why is it an issue? why feel the need to impose floor order? game order is so much better. if i am playing a certain game i can just scroll to it and not have to wade thru the items. where did u even get this idea from? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 18:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::It's not on '''every''' page. In fact, it's on a ton of pages already. Not in every page (and, as I said above, it'd be good for those pages where this is not the case to have it fixed), but generally speaking, it's preferred to list items in the order of accessibility, which, in the case of places like caves and buildings, means floors, even if it contradicts the game order. This order has received admin approval, as you can see [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cave_of_Origin&diff=2220841&oldid=2220824 here]. It's an old edit, I know, but the point is still valid. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:39, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::::what u linked i have no problem with: oras and ruby/saph are basically the same game. look at seafoam islands. rby and frlg items are interwoven, which is fine. its that hgss should be listed after, because its layout is entirely different and should not be interwoven with rbyfrlg. and yes it is every page. since u claim its not every page, id like to see an example where its not. cave of origin is not an example. i am listing items in order of accessibility. frlg was released before hg/ss. so hgss items should come after. that simple. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::If the layout of the floors is different, then just keep the floors in a numerical order but put the newer games after the older ones. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::..that's exactly what i'm doing. for every kanto page i did that since it overlaps with the johto pages. that includes celadon department. why keep that one different. hgss should come after. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 11:42, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::The point is, '''keep the floors in numerical order'''. You can put the items '''on a floor''' in the obtainable and/or game order, but keep the floor numbers in numerical order. I hope you understood. PS. You should '''seriously''' start using capital letters. It's not that hard or tiresome. Honestly. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:50, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::why would i use floor order. u said urself that i should list the items in terms of accessibility. not every single place is linear in the sense that i can obtain every single item on a floor before moving on to the next one. sometimes i will for example be able to get an item on the second floor before an item on the first floor. floor order is meaningless. and as ive said, if we do floor order the games will all be mixed together, and why would you want that? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 17:07, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::...This isn't getting us anywhere. We need to ask an admin about this, although I still think you should try to understand my point. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:15, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::what is ur point exactly? the only thing ive gathered is "use floor order". not a single reason why, tho. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 17:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::Why not? It only makes sense. People see the floor numbers before the games anyway, as they, more often than not, read from right to left, so it makes sense to list them in that order. Floor order is the first priority, game order is the second. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::have you not read a single thing ive said. ive given you many reasons why floor order is bad. when people are looking at the items they are playing the game and trying to find them. if u put an item that can be found at the end first thats awful. u said it urself, you should list the itens in terms of accessibility. thats what im doing. now ur saying floor order trumps that? ur contradiciting urself. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 18:44, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::EternalDragonX, at what order the player finds the items is '''not''' something we can control. Especially for a place that has no linearity. Just because you find an item at a certain order, doesn't mean everyone else will. Most of your concerns (this ties back to the discussion you had on TiddlyWinks page) are just things we cannot control. How the player plays the game is not our issue. Therefore, at what order a player can obtain the item is not a priority since players finds items at a different order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::so, what, we should list all the items in floor order? and mix all the games together? yea that seems like a great idea, considering no pages are like that. not to mention how confusing that is. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 11:51, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::also, are you suggesting that the order we list items in is irrelevant? thats what it sounds like ur saying, since it isn't something we can "control". which also means that i might as well list an item at the very back of the dungeon before an item right by the entrance right? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 21:33, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}Floor order and ''then'' game order. The ordering that you're suggesting ("sometimes i will for example be able to get an item on the second floor before an item on the first floor") is what we can't control. So what if you found the item on the second floor first before an item on the first floor? That's not something we can control. Different players play the game differently. The order where you obtain them is not of a high priority for a place like Seafoam Islands or Rock Tunnel, since it's an open area. Routes are a different story, where the ordering should be the items from point A to point B.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:17, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
:so youre seriously telling me that you would mix the gsc items with the firered items in rock tunnel? why would you do that. it serves 0 benefit. and again, youre also saying that i should list an item that may be right by the exit of an area before one near the entrance of an area? that makes no sense. these are yes or no questions by the way. also, im not really "controlling" the players, im just giving them a suggested sequence of obtaining the items; one that wouldnt involve much if any backtracking at all. accessibility order is just so much more convenient: you can get every single item by going down the list, not having to skip several items and then go back up to try and find them again. there's no reason to use floor order --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 11:58, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
::It's not ''that'' confusing. It's not as jumbled up as you're making it out to be. The ordering is still going to be RBY>GSC>FRLG>HGSS, regardless of the template going by floor order. Common sense should still be considered, if you know you're not going to place an item from deep in a dungeon as the first item listed, then I don't know what the problem is. You're well aware of how nonsensical that is. To make it easier, if there are two items by the entrance (one on the left and one on the right), it doesn't matter which one gets listed first because different players are going to get different items first.
::We are not a walkthrough, we are not going to give a suggested ordering, we're just listing the items. No need to be nit picky about the specifics. whether someone doesn't want to backtrack isn't really our problem. Again, players play the games differently. I'd be happy to back track, while other probably wouldn't. That's just how it goes. It's not a high priority.
::If you want to continue this discussion, feels free to come to my talk page or any of the location talk pages. Finnish probably wouldn't want to keep getting notified about his talk page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:18, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

==Thank you!==
Thanks for helping me out with the formatting on the [[Lush Jungle]] and [[Diglett's Tunnel]] pages! I'm new to editing Bulbapedia, so I'm still getting the hang of how the shortcuts work and what the standards are. If you have any tips/tricks, please let me know! '''[[User:Butterfreeism|–Butterfreeism''']] 18:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks for the compliment. And certainly! If you feel uncertain about something, feel free to ask me or some other more experienced user. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

== viridian gym ==

what the hell was the point of that edit. its clearly not about floor order anymore so why even bother. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 12:00, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
:no ones going to answer this for you --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 12:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
::I know. I'm just getting tired of this. I saw it as other Gym items going after the reward TMs, but rethinking about it, I'm not so sure about that anymore. I'll see what I'll do with it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
:::i still dont have the faintest why you put that macho brace at the end. wasnt it you yourself who said items on the same floor can be in game order? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 17:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
::::They're technically in the obtaining order now. The Revive is first because you can obtain it before the Gym battle, the reward TMs are obtained right after the Gym battle (regardless of the game, which is why ''they'' are in game order), and the Macho Brace can be obtained after Giovanni has left after the Gym battle. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:04, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::im all for accessibility order. im the one thats preaching it. but that is only limited to being in the same game; rby and frlg are basically the same game. if there was say a potion in the exact same spot as the revive in rby in frlg, yes i would list it right after the revive, before the tm. but hgss is an entirely different game. the layout of everything is different. if an item is in a different location, it should follow game order instead. aka kanto>johto. just because the items happen to be given by the gym leader after being defeated shouldnt mean they should be together. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::first of all that was my talk page not his. secondly i can see you have the time to go through other peoples talk pages but not your own... --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 14:42, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::i like how u read that talk page but you completely ignore the fact that i specifically ask not to just go and undo my edit because there ARE other improvements i made but you went ahead and undid all of them anyway. so thanks. real classy move. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 14:49, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::yeah u know what your edit was just so appalling im just gonna undo it and separate the tables myself... something i was planning on doing later... --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 14:56, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::In case you're referring to the Victory Road edit, I reversed it because it was the easy way to put it back the way it was. If you feel like you want to improve it somehow now, feel free to do so. Just don't combine the sections to one again. Also, I DID check my talk page. I'm simply just growing tired of arguing against you and your stubbornness. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::jesus christ i LITERALLY said that i was just going to separate the tables right now. and ill do it by breaking it up from MY edit. not yours. still also love the fact that you havent even addressed the issue of viridian gym but you do all this... --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 15:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think you're taking this a biiit too seriously. I'm honestly not sure about Gyms, since it's not often we get items other than the reward TMs from them, but for now, I'm satisfied woth how it is, for the reasons I gave you earlier. PS. Could YOU also please respond to my question? Why do you refuse to use big capital letters? It's honestly not hard at all. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:35, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::no im not taking this too seriously. because u went and did your victory road edit i had to undo it so that i could make my edit, which i said i would literally on my talk page, which i know you read. then you go ahead and undo my undo literally WHILE i was making my edit like i said above and i had to go and undo that AGAIN. anymore and they'd accuse me of edit warring.
::::::::::::not sure eh? well guess what. i am. if you dont give me a good reason and address what i said above im undoing your edit on viridian gym.
:::::::::::: ... use ... capital letters? ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4p-SUvicno --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 20:34, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::yooooooo i know you read my last message. the fact that you made an edit means youve been on and i seriously doubt you didnt read it. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 16:11, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Again, I didn't reply because I'm getting tired of this. Also, you didn't give any good reasoning for why you don't use big capital letters. Or reasoning at all, in fact. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:43, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::all right im undoing your edit. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 17:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

== celadon department store ==

im undoing your edit. cuz we talked about how the items should follow game order regardless of floor order. :) --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 01:23, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
:No. You should follow the floor order. Why are you so obsessed about this? It's not right! --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 04:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
::wot m8. we talked about it in the first two paragraphs: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Force_Fire#floor_order_cont
::game order will always be the same. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 15:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
:::...I honestly can't understand your mindset. You're way too obsessed about this. Also, '''please''', write with big capital letters like a mature person would. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
::::You've clearly misinterpreted what I said EternalDragon. What I meant was that the order of the games is always going to be the same order even if the list is following floor order. So for example:
:::::Floor 1:
::::::RBY/FRLG
::::::GSC/HGSS
::::::FRLG
::::::HGSS
:::::Floor 2:
::::::RBY/FRLG
::::::GSC/HGSS
::::::FRLG
::::::HGSS
:::::Floor 3:
::::::RBY/FRLG
::::::GSC/HGSS
::::::FRLG
::::::HGSS
::::The game order is not going to get jumbled up if you follow by floor order.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

==SM084==
Regarding [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=SM084&diff=next&oldid=2859383 my edit here], I had looked beforehand if events such as this one had been noted on other episode pages, but I couldn't find any so I removed it. I figured it'd be weird to leave this when it wasn't done for other Pokémon. But you say it has been done for other Pokémon, so I was wondering what pages you were talking about. Could you maybe show an example? [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 10:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
:[[EP075]], [[EP077]], and [[EP111]]. I also guess it could be applied to one or two of Ash's Unova Pokémon that he didn't add to his party right away too, like {{AP|Palpitoad}}. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. Guess I didn't search well enough, my bad. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 10:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
:::It's okay. Errare humanum est. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

== why not ==

all i did was reorder the items and add links. of course reordering them isnt absolutely necessary, but why not? now theres a semblance of how you obtain the items. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 05:48, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
:Links I can understand, but the reordering? No. These lists are '''supposed''' to be in alphabetical order, '''not''' in obtainable order. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

== When Nebby learned Sunsteel Strike ==

Can you explain why you think [[Nebby]] learned {{m|Sunsteel Strike}} when it evolved?

I'm also curious about what you meant when you said you received approval for it.

(FYI I'm not inclined to worry about strikes in this case/at this point because it's a weird situation. This is worth sorting out on its own terms for now.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
:For the exact same reason I said in the edit summary and what we discussed on your talk page just a little while ago: the anime [[SM091#Trivia|recently confirmed]] that exclusive Z-Moves need a certain move to act as their basis, just like in the games. Since Nebby used Searing Sunraze Smash in the episode where it evolved into Solgaleo, it must have also known Sunsteel Strike at the time. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:37, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

== External link on Pokemon breeding ==

Hey, I can see you reverted my change on [[Pokémon breeding]]. Would it be OK to add the link as a referrence? I'd add new section as it doesn't exists for that article. --[[User:Robdy|Robdy]] ([[User talk:Robdy|talk]]) 13:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
:Ask an admin. I'd say no, but ask one of them to be sure. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:26, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

== Spiritomb edits ==

Is there any specific reason why you removed my edits in the Spiritomb page? {{unsigned|ABlinkAway4}}
:First off: new comments go to the bottom of the talk page. You can add a new section by clicking the "+" next to the "Edit" button.
:Second: don't forget to sign your comments. The sign button is right above the edit window, the second to last button.
:Third: while the trivia '''was''' valid, it was poorly written and placed. Sorry. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:31, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

==Archive images==
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9_Problem&diff=prev&oldid=2870434
I hid them for the simple reason that I didn't know they were uploaded yet and they always get hidden there without any problem. They were also hidden because they don't get uploaded that quickly. I don't hide things for no reasons, so please don't get annoyed without knowing the reason. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]])!
:I managed to find a HD version of the episode soon after it had aired. That's where I got those pictures. Sorry if you felt like I offended you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

== Pokémon League (Alola)/Title Defense page ==

I confirmed that Sophocles's Magnezone is Analytic in USUM. See also [https://twitter.com/zakocky/status/1056857442246569984 my tweet]. Deutsch and Chinese version say too so.--[[User:Zaggyo|Zaggyo]] ([[User talk:Zaggyo|talk]]) 06:56, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:Okay. Sorry. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:01, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

== Beta Page Revision ==

Just curious why my two edits were undone; I thought they were helpful. The space on the XD page in case people though the entire thing was one item and the notes on the Colosseum page to note that there were only a handful of noted Pokémon among the lists are never available in the final game. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 19:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:Pardon me. I didn't think that the space was necessary and the Colosseum edit could've been done a bit better. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:12, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
::Ah, let me know how it could be done better so I can improve on it then; thank you. :) ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:20, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

== wat ==

why are you removing my links --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 11:03, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
:They were repeat links. Also, don't forget to use the {{template|pkmn}} and {{template|pkmn2}} templates to make links simpler to add. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:05, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
::gee, maybe it wouldve been nice to say that in the change instead of having me come and ask. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. and those links were the first in those sections; they were repeated, but in an above section. it should be fine to repeat them --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 13:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
:::1) You're being unnecessarily rude. 2) Okay, valid point, but I'm still not sure. 3) I'm really not in the mood of arguing with you again. Please ask someone higher up, like Force Fire or Chosen. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:24, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

== Facade ==

I checked the RAWs, and Viz's translation is correct. It was Facade. I want to move the file, but which is the Electrike's nickname in the Viz version? The image currently says "Rikey", but it says "Rikelec" on the template itself. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:47, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
:It's the latter. I added it to the template only a few hours ago. And while you're at it, could you also move the other move pictures from the same page? I also changed their names in the templates to match the ones in the Viz translation. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

== Recent edit ==
You've been told by an admin that you shouldn't undo an edit just because YOU think it includes bad grammar. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Spiritomb_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=2868512 That's not constructive. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 15:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry. It's just a fact that said edit legitimately contained grammatical errors. I also personally saw that the sentence structure could've been better. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

== Detective Pikachu Cameos ==

Why did you remove the cameo Pokemon from the Detective Pikachu film page? They do appear in the film and I did specifically list them as being a cameo. So, why did you remove them? Thanks. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 16:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
:Because they weren't even actually featured. For example, Articuno and Steelix were only mentioned on a poster. That does not count as an appearance. Not even as a cameo. And same goes for other Pokémon pictures as well. Bulbapedia only counts direct appearances. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
::Well, they make an appearance somewhere in the trailer even if it's so small. Shouldn't that count for something? '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 21:57, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
:::I just told you: indirect appearances don't count. Especially ones that are only mentioned. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
::::How does appearing on a poster not count as a cameo? I am just curious to why you think this. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 15:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::Even if it DOES count as a cameo, it still doesn't count as a proper appearance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:33, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::That's why I listed it as a cameo and not a proper appearance. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 19:04, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I said: Bulbapedia doesn't count those. Period. As in, they do not belong to the characters section. At all. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:58, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

== [[Trophy Garden]] edit war ==

Hi there. You removed my edits, despite me requesting a discussion before doing so, and me having started a talk page discussion about this topic. I am happy to talk about this if you will stop reverting without discussion, but due to the edit warring, I will also be calling in an administrator. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 13:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:Your links and references needed fixing, which I've done now. There's no need for an admin. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:: Thanks for the fixes! I haven't been an active wiki contributor in several years now, and I'm a bit rusty. I would have appreciated if you'd have just talked to me, though I circled [[user:Blazingfist]] in for oversight. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 13:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:::It seems that {{user|Force Fire}} agrees with me about the notability of this rumor. Sorry. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:::: Would you mind having a look at the scope of materials discussing the Secret Garden rumour and re-evaluating? --[[user:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] 11:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, but I agree with Force Fire. It's not as notable as the Mew truck. You shouldn't trust sites that rely on speculation instead of any creditable sources. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::: What exactly is your criteria here for speculation and credible sources? Many of those articles are published on highly notable sites like Destructoid, and they themselves compare the notability of the Secret Garden rumour to that of the truck. Take for example the start of the Syfy article:

::::::: Whether it's Pikablu, the Mew under the truck, the PokeGods, Bill's secret garden, or Pokémon Purple, the game where you could play as Team Rocket, you've probably heard a Pokémon rumor or two if you've spent any amount of time with the franchise.

::::::: The Secret Garden is one of the most notable rumours from Gen I, and its longevity and spread demonstrate that. --[[user:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] 11:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Please. Just discuss this with Force Fire. I have no interest in being parr of this debate anymore. I've already stated my opinion, and I'm not going to start arguing against an admin. I've learned through harsh ways that it can lead to some seriously bad things. I advise you to take caution as well. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:00, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

== Guard Spec. ==

Hi! Can you please give a reason for removing the trivia I added to the [[Guard Spec.]] page? I would agree if you said the wording and linkage could be tweaked, but the information definitely seems relevant to me. I'd also agree that it could very well be a coincidence, but it's still a big enough one that I think it's interesting to note. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 20:58, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
:I'm just not sure if Bulbapedia is ready to receive Gold and Silver beta data yet. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 21:36, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
::I think 6 months is enough time to wait to add it in a piece of trivia, especially given [[Talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver beta#Spaceworld_Implementation|the recent addition to the discussion that suggests it'll be getting its own pages soon(ish)]]. I'm going to put it back in for now before I forget about it entirely, and if a higher-up removes it then I won't argue. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 21:53, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

== SM103 ==

"Unnecessary." That wasn't my edit; I corrected the typo that said, "... Brock meet Olivia..." to "... Brock meet'''s''' Olivia..." [[User:Monchi132390|Monchi132390]] ([[User talk:Monchi132390|talk]]) 18:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
I just saw that the record said that I added back the appositive. That wasn't me, and I don't know what's going on. [[User:Monchi132390|Monchi132390]] ([[User talk:Monchi132390|talk]]) 18:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

==Ultra Rangers==
Was wondering if you could give me a hand with [[User:BigDocFan/Ultra Rangers]]. I'm not sure they are worthy of receiving a character page but would like a hand just in case.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:49, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

== [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Steven_Stone&diff=2883634&oldid=2883625 Steven's Aerodactyl] ==

So, if we remove that Aerodactyl, we'd notice that no one from the whole league uses generation I Pokémon, but they use Pokémon from all other generations, and this is something worth being noted. -- [[User talk:Braviapert|Bravi]][[Special:Contributions/Braviapert|apert]] 12:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
:Took you kinda long to notice... But anyway, sorry. I just saw minor faults in the edit and decided to be lazy by outright deleting the whole thing instead of just fixing it. Sorry. Also, please avoid links in the headers, please. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:12, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
::Then if I don't put the link, I won't be able to accurately say what I'm referring to. -- [[User talk:Braviapert|Bravi]][[Special:Contributions/Braviapert|apert]] 04:11, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
:::I mean that you should add it to the post itself instead of the title. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:22, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

== How am I doing it wrong? ==

I'm standardizing them. Mt. Mortar was in the trivia section, and all the linkable stones are in the top section. Trivia is also where these should be. [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 19:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
:Yes. Trivia '''is''' the proper location for it. You're just doing the links improperly (not the Wikipedia ones) and apparently not using the preview button. For section links, please use the {{template|DL}} template. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
::How do you use the section link template?[[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 19:27, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
::K, I think I understand it now. [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 19:39, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
::It didn't work [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 19:39, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks [[User:Argentarus|Argentarus]] ([[User talk:Argentarus|talk]]) 20:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
:::No problem. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:56, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

== lmao ==

how did i know u were just going to blindly undo that edit lmao. and i have to be the one to start the talk page even tho ur the one thats adding the same change twice. i thot that was the definition of edit warring. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 18:17, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
:I'll be straight here. My respect towards you is minimal, not supported by your writing style (like your refusal to use big first letters and constant use of slang words) and the image I get you based on your writings, so I didn't get a second thought about undoing your edit. Please, leave me alone.
:As for the Park Balls, they are items that you receive and get to use, so I say they count as items to be listed at the item list. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:23, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
::thanks for stating the obvious, lmao. again, edit warring is adding the same change twice. please, correct me if im wrong. and nah, i dont feel like leaving you alone unless you leave my edits alone.
::jesus christ do u hear urself? is ur word law here? two people disagree with ur opinion and ur still forcing it without starting a talk. keep that up and i sure as hell wont leave u alone. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 18:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Your language is honestly sounding a bit threatening. I'm sure I can solve this with SM and/or some other admin. No offense, but if there's someone who needs to listen to themselves it's you. Your messages can be seen as offensive. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
::::yes. im sure u feel very threatened by my language. thats why you keep undoing my edits. yeah almost as offensive as u undoing the edits of two people without talking about it just cuz 'i say they count' lol --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:27, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::It's not your language why I undid that edit. I simply disagreed with you and SM. And also, while your words could be seen as threatening, I also think that you're a bit... immature, based on your word choices. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 22:19, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
::::::yes and ur opinion clearly trumps that of mine and his since u undid both of our edits without talking about it. LOL seriously how do u expect me to not give you trouble when u make me start the talk when ur the one who's edit warring --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 22:45, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Force Fire/Archive 9

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{{User:Force Fire/Archive}}

== Subpages of a userpage ==

Hello, I noticed you warning people about their userpages, so I thought you'd be the right person to ask this. The thing is, I would like to create a subpage listing my in-game teams using the standard team template, since I want there to be more things related to Pokémon and me on my page. I wanted to ask whether or not it is allowed at all and what I should keep in mind besides not editing excessively. Thank you! [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 10:16, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
:Making subpages for that is fine, the rules for subpages is the same as a normal userpage. An edit to your subpage also counts to the "three userspace edits per day" rule.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

== Another offensive username ==

Puta is a really rude word in Spanish(I think the account maker failed to use proper alts, but their intent is clear...is this worth your time for an unacceptable username?--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 17:16, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

== "Not everything is a pun" ==

...I never said everything is, but SM is known for them and "ワル" is not a Japanese word, but "warui" (悪い) is! And since it's spelled as "ワル" and "Warubiaru" (ワルビアル) is in the episode it makes sense it's a pun. I have no idea what your problem is and I don't care, but I've already explained why it's a pun. "ワル" isn't used as "bad" in katakana, but words are used in different characters when they're a joke. Like the episode with Dhelmise with "Ikari" (anger) being used as "いかり" as "anchor" but the same spelling "Ikari" also can be used to mean "怒り" (anger). [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 19:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
:Please respond and change it back because it's not spelled the right way, meaning it is a pun. I don't care what your problem is, but not correctly addressing a pun in a title that clearly has one just makes Bulbapedia look stupid. I've been obvious why it's a pun. Why can episode titles like SM071, SM065, and SM040 be acknowledged but not this? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 14:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
::Just because "waru" is written in katakana, doesn't mean it no longer means "悪" or has a different meaning. "ワル" is still "悪", it's not some nonsensical word. And yes, "悪" can be used by itself. As for the title, "waru" could also be referring to Nanu, considering his attire and the fact the title includes "oyaji" (since it's "...waru oyaji wa...").
::As for the other episodes, they're fine. Ikari can mean either Anchor and Anger, like you said, so that's a pun. "Mairimasu" ''is'' pure nonsense and could only be a pun. "Pan-paka-pan" is a trumpet fanfare with just happens to include the word "pan", and the episode was about bread.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:20, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
:::The idea that not translating a pun is bad needs to be addressed.
:::Translating puns is HARD.
:::It is ''not'' always worth wracking your brain over or compensating for otherwise. And it's not even necessarily worth forcing something. Not translating a pun does not make Bulbapedia look stupid... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:37, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

== Surge/Terrain confusion ==

There's confusion going on in the anime whether the [[Tapu]] are activating their signature abilities or using the Terrain moves. This issue has been resolved with {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Tapu Koko}}, but people are still mixing up {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Tapu Lele}} and {{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Tapu Bulu}}'s Abilities with their Terrain moves. When Tapu Lele and Tapu Bulu activated their Abilities {{a|Psychic Surge}} and {{a|Grassy Surge}} respectively, users are assuming that they are using the attacks {{m|Psychic Terrain}} and {{m|Grassy Terrain}} instead. That is not the case. In ''[[SM037|Rising from the Ruins!]]'' and [[SM075]], when Tapu Lele and Tapu Bulu enter battle with Rockruff and {{AP|Lycanroc}} respectively, their Surge Abilities go off at the start of their battles. This happened with Tapu Koko as well when it battled {{AP|Pikachu}} in ''[[SM002|The Guardian's Challenge!]]'' and ''[[SM019|A Guardian Rematch!]]''. The Terrain moves can go off during any point of the battle, however the Surge Abilities can only activate when the Pokémon enter the field. Another point to show that it's their abilities activating in those episodes and not their attacks is in ''[[SM052|Revealing the Stuff of Legend!]]'' where all four Tapu used the four Terrain moves to show {{Ash}} and {{ashfr|the gang}} [[Nebby#In_the_anime|Nebby]]'s backstory. Even the anime makes mistakes as shown in SM075 where [[Acerola]] and {{Rotom}} misidentify Tapu Bulu's Grassy Surge as Grassy Terrain. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:32, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
:I've removed them and added a hidden notice. Abilities and moves need to be explicitly said, especially those that would potentially have the same exact animation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:11, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
::Ok, looks like Psychic Terrain was confirmed via dub captions (which is fine, until/unless the Japanese version says that it's something else later on). Grassy Terrain was said, which you've noted. Is it an error? We don't know. But for now, it is not an error unless they contradict themselves and call it Grassy Surge later on. At the end of the day, the is no confusion. Assuming moves is something you shouldn't be doing. If it is said or revealed in close caption, then that's final.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:08, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Ok. I wanted to make sure if the move used was either the Terrain Move or the Surge Ability. Thank you for clearing it up. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 20:48, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

== Requests ==

If you would be so kind, could you please hear me out and consider doing a couple things I can't do (at least without permission, in some cases):
* Template {{template|Trainerentry}} has several handy redirects for Trainer classes that have changed their names over the years, such as "Cooltrainer" to "Ace Trainer" and "Rocket" to "Team Rocket Grunt". However, there are several Trainer class name changes that have either been missed or happened after the template was last edited, like "Rocket Grunt"{{tt|*|From Generation II}} to "Team Rocket Grunt", "Pokéfan" to "Poké Fan", "Swimmer ♂/♀" to "Swimmer", and "Clerk ♂/♀" to "Office Worker". There may be others than these, but anyway, my point is, could you please add the missing redirects to the template in the same way as the already existing redirects?
* Back in January, I suggested that the [[Pokémon League (Alola)/Title Defense]] page should be split into separate SM and USUM Title Defense pages. I've already got the USUM section ready right [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Pokémon League (Alola)/Title Defense/Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|here]] under my own userspace in case the idea gets approved. Do you think the page should be split?
* Ummm... I recall having a third request, but it doesn't come to my mind right now. I'll come back if I can remember it.
:--[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:59, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
::I've added the examples you've provided. If there are any more, do let me know.
::I've forwarded the article with the other staff members.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:16, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Thank you for hearing me out. And indeed, I've discovered a few more redirect links that should be fixed: "Officer" and "Policeman" to "Police Officer", "Interviewer" to "Interviewers", "Socialite" to "Madame", and "School Kid" to "Schoolkid". Also, a couple of other things related to this subject:
::::In Generation II, the "Swimmer" class was classified as "Swimmer♂/♀", as in without a space, while in Generation VI, it's "Swimmer ♂/♀", as in ''with'' a space. The latter redirect is yet to be fixed.
::::In Generation II, the Trainer class that would later be known as "Schoolkid" was called "Schoolboy", hence why "Schoolboy" redirects to "Schoolkid" (or rather "School Kid", a redirect link). And then, in Generation VI, we were introduced to the separate "Schoolboy" Trainer class. As such, the Schoolboy links from Generation VI now lead to an incorrect article (similar to the "Medium" link from [[Saffron Gym]]'s page, actually, due to the Channeler class's renaming in Stadium, but that's a much more minor subject). I know this may be an impossible or at least a difficult problem to solve properly, but I decided to bring it up nevertheless, just in case.
:::The request I forgot about yesterday is actually a pretty old one: back in 2013, I made a suggestion to change the {{template|Gym Leaders of Unova}} to better separate the BW and B2W2 Gym Leaders from each other, but my edit (which you can see [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Gym_Leaders_of_Unova&oldid=1865505 here]) was undone, because I hadn't talked about it beforehand. Since then, I've forgotten, remembered, and re-forgotten this multiple times, but now I've finally managed to make myself bring this long-forgotten topic up again. Could the template be edited in this or at least in a similar kind of way, or do you feel it's good enough as it is?
:::Also, I've also come up with a couple new things I'd want to propose since yesterday: could "Tide Song Hotel" and "Kantonian Gym" receive their own articles? I've already asked people's opinions about these ideas on [[Heahea City]] and [[Malie City]]'s talk pages, and at least the Tide Song Hotel split seems to have gotten some support already. Could you take these splits into consideration as well? Thank you.
:::--[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
::::Oh, and while I'm at it, I also found one Orre Trainer class redirect to fix: "Fun Old Lady" to "Matron". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:35, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::Ah, didn't see the subtle difference with the Swimmer trainer class. I've added the other TCs.
:::::I think the Unova Gym Leader Template is fine the way it is. Repeating the same Gym Leaders is pretty unnecessary, while I do get why, the template is about who are the Gym Leaders, separating by game isn't necessary. Plus, the three newer Gym Leaders being at the bottom of the first eight already implies that they were added later on.
:::::I've forwarded those suggestions to the other admins as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::I actually just saw you making that edit. Thanks a lot.
::::::I understand. It's fine. I won't raise that topic again.
::::::Thanks once again. I'll be waiting for the results. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:36, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry to bother you again, but I've found a couple more links to fix, mainly from the Orre games:
::::::::Let's get the simpler ones out of the way first: "Researcher" and "Cipher R&D" to "Scientist".
::::::::Now, for something I'm not so sure of: the Orre-exclusive classes "Rogue" "Kaminko Aide", and "Robo Groudon" are Trainer classes used by only one person each, and they also only appear as redirect links on one page each. Hence why I'm not sure if these redirects should be removed or not. What do you think?
::::::::And finally, something a bit different, but still involving the same template. A big number of Fighting-type Trainers in FireRed and LeafGreen have their Pokémon holding Black Belts. However, the template links the "Black Belt" held item to "Type-enhancing item#Black Belt". This was understandable before, but now "Black Belt (item)" has its own article. Could you change the link to go to the item's own page now?
:::::::Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Done. As for the three single trainer trainer classes, I think they're fine, due to the way the template works (the second parameter is under a TC template, so their has to be a [name] (Trainer class) link.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:29, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you once again. However, when I looked at your edits, I also happened to notice that, similar to the Black Belt link you fixed, the held item link for "Metronome" leads to "In-battle effect item#Metronome". I can understand that you didn't notice that during your edit, so I'm not blaming you of anything, but could you be so kind and fix that one, too? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Whoopsie! Every time I think I'm done with this issue, I notice something new. The redirect link of "Poké'''F'''an" to "Poké Fan" has been fixed, but it's formatted as "Poké'''f'''an" on every pre-Generation VI page (as well as on the "Poké Fan (Trainer class)" article), and ''that'' redirect link still remains to be fixed. Could you do this one more thing? I'm sorry if you feel bothered by this. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:40, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::(deep sigh) One. More. Once again I've noticed something. In Generation II, some Poké Fans had their Pokémon holding Berries, as in "Berry (item)", but link just goes to "Berry". Could that be fixed? PS. I also have other stuff to talk about with you, but I'll probably start a new section for that purpose later. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:04, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

== Force preview question ==

I've heard about the force preview group, where you have to preview your edits before publishing them. And I thought it might help me slow down and evaluate if my edits are actually helpful, since I have a tendency to act impulsively. Is it possible to ask to be put in that group? I was just curious. [[User:Veralann|'''Incentive'''''' (a.k.a. Veralann)''']] 02:49, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

== PokeShay ==

I think it was a little harsh to block him for that. You could've just asked about it on his talk page. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 16:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

== "Pokémon seen" lists for movie locations ==

I wasn't too sure who to ask about this, though I have noticed that some movie-based locations have got the "Pokémon seen" lists and others don't. What is the requirement for these types of pages?. E.g. The Lake of Life has an incomplete list whilst Forina and the Tree of Beginning do not have any list, instead the Pokémon are just listed in the description section.

Also who is the authority on uploading images to the archives? I have a few images in mind that are needed to complete other pages like the Pokémon mate page.

Thanks. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 09:55, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
:Locations where Pokémon actually live there have the Pokémon list. Though I'm not too sure if it's needed, as most are just wild Pokémon. Maybe if they play a large role in the area, such as the titans in Tree of Beginning, then they can be listed. Otherwise, it's unnecessary. As for the archives, you have to create an account at the archives and wait to be autoconfirmed there (the requirements are the same as it is on the wiki).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

::Thank you for the information. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 09:36, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

== Unaccpetable username ==

[[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Son_of_a_gun]] {{unsigned|RubyLeafGreenCrystal}}
:No it's not.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

== Bulbapedia lagging ==

Not really sure if this is the appropriate place to ask, but is the site undergoing updates or something? Loading for this site is lagging for me. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

:Never mind. The issue seems to have resolved itself. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:48, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

== Could I have my userspace privileges back? ==

It's been like 6 years and I mostly just wanna delete it lmao --[[User:Pokelova|Pokelova]] ([[User talk:Pokelova|talk]]) 12:17, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

== Edgreen293 ==

{{user|Edgreen293}} is at it again ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Chopper&diff=prev&oldid=2803690] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Janet&diff=prev&oldid=2803692] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Damian&diff=prev&oldid=2803693]). [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
: I might also add {{user|Tygamer64}} since both GrammarFreak01 and I were discussing him on his talk page. Since he has made rather pointless edits and we were told to report these cases. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 15:25, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

== RE: Episode links ==

The links I added are from a licensed Pokémon copyright holder, so there is no copyright issue here. They are all legal.--[[User:Magicknight94|Magicknight94]] ([[User talk:Magicknight94|talk]]) 09:31, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:Did you read my reply?--[[User:Magicknight94|Magicknight94]] ([[User talk:Magicknight94|talk]]) 14:52, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
::You still can't link to full episodes or episode clips, regardless of whether it comes from an official source or not.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Why not? If copyright is not the issue here, what is the problem? Can you explain? --[[User:Magicknight94|Magicknight94]] ([[User talk:Magicknight94|talk]]) 07:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Hello?--[[User:Magicknight94|Magicknight94]] ([[User talk:Magicknight94|talk]]) 05:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
::::Be patient. Force Fire is probably busy. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:31, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::The issue '''is''' copyright. We choose not to link to episodes available on streaming sites, regardless of it being from an official source or not, just to be on the safe side. Also, the link you provided was for the Vietnamese dub, which I don't think anyone visiting an ''English'' wiki would be interested in.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:14, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

== Pokemon 4ever working title? ==

https://www.serebii.net/archive/September-2000.shtml Scrolling down that page a bit shows a 7-frame promo for a project simply called ''Pokémon 2001'' and one of the frames shows a Celebi, no plans to currently add anything about it to the Pokémon 4ever page but I was wondering what your thoughts were on this. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 14:05, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
:Do you have another source for that other than Serebii? Serebii is not a credible source, as it's a fansite.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:10, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
::Nope, just randomly came across that and given how old the page was, got a little curious. Tried to reverse image search the frames but could not find anything at all. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 13:12, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Not sure if I can post this video, but here's video proof. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Od-eFQhVRI [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 13:56, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
::::Oh wow, did not know there was still video footage, I just thought it was those seven screenshots. Wonder if this would be worth adding to the Pokémon 4ever section as trivia. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 14:01, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

== PardescanSlowbro ==

I'm having a really big problem with {{user|PardescanSlowbro}} right now. I once sent him [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2768197&oldid=2766807 this message] in response to his editing style, and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2768426&oldid=2768197 he took it pretty personally] (even though I was also [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGrammarFreak01&type=revision&diff=2768465&oldid=2766949 in the wrong here]). Since then, the user has made edits to a variety of articles, and I've commonly had to edit them to rectify errors that he made. For example, [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=EP045&type=revision&diff=2809520&oldid=2806418 he very recently edited] the plot summary of [[EP045]] and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=EP045&diff=next&oldid=2809520 this] was what I did to improve it (note that I also did some unrelated changes at the same time).

[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2801230&oldid=2801220 I once tried] to inform him of some of the kinds of errors he kept making in his edits, like [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGrammarFreak01&type=revision&diff=2768465&oldid=2766949 you suggested], but [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2801256&oldid=2801230 this] was his response. He also said [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2801220&oldid=2801168 this beforehand]. [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2801258&oldid=2801256 I tried] to be rational and explain myself this time, but the conversation did not move forward anymore, so I gave up trying to reason with him and just resorted to editing at his heels whenever I saw an error. He eventually [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2809534&oldid=2809278 got agitated] by this. [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2809538&oldid=2809534 I tried] asking for specifics about his complaints of me, but [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2809541&oldid=2809538 he claimed I already knew what I was doing] (I legitimately do not). After I [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2809547&oldid=2809541 responded a couple of times], he went on [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2809557&oldid=2809547 a tirade] against me.

If any, if not all of his grievances towards me are legitimate, then I do apologize immensely. But I sincerely believe I've been trying to be helpful and he just rebuffs it. Either way, could you please step in? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

:He also had [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2809565&oldid=2809561 this] to say recently. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

::{{user|Tiddlywinks}} has [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PardescanSlowbro&diff=0&oldid=2809568 pitched in]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:25, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

== Harassment Procedure ==

Dear ForceFire,

I have felt personally vindicated and harassed by the user GrammarFreak01 on a continuous basis. I have pleaded to be left alone by the user and made them clearly aware of my feelings on their conduct towards myself. I was never under the assumption that any of my edits were to be untouched, though found the user in question deliberately followed and made, in some cases minor and pointless changes to over 40 pages (Episode 1 to 46 and some associated anime pages) directly after I did over recent days. The pages in question, at least the plot sections required some detail corrections but until my additions had not been looked at for several years. I had earlier requested significant action be taken against the user on Tiddlywinks page after an earlier spate of unexplained deletions to additions which were quickly reinstated by Tiddlywinks. Nothing came of this request on Tiddlywinks page, and the behaviour has persisted and worsened into vitriol that centres on GrammarFreak01's belief I referred to them as racist, though nothing of the sorts has occurred. I can no longer handle the barrage of blatancy and continuous harassment written on my discussion page by GrammarFreak01, and wish for those actions to end. At all times I have maintained my distance, and have thanked the user for their efforts when they have worked in collaboration with myself. Though their commentary and vicious attacks on my supposed sensitivities and linguistics must end. I have let things slide, despite my discontent, as to avoid further escalation. The user has been told to maintain their distance and respect previously written advices to improve their conduct, though such warnings remain unheeded and their pattern of behaviour towards me continues to intensify. I am completely naïve when it comes to Bulbapedia's bullying procedures, though require strong action be taken to ensure the harassment, belittlement and bullying that I have been exposed to by user GrammarFreak01 does not ever repeat.

I look forward to your reply, though will maintain my reserve and distance nonetheless,
[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 12:04, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

: Seeing as I have been the only one to receive any commentary it is best I be moved on. My claims have been outright ignored and also denied, despite the sheer amount of evidence to say otherwise. At the very least the user in question should have been told to remain at a distance, though has immediately gone on the attack again; though of course I am making everything up and overreacting as you pointed out. As such, please delete my account, this forum is no longer suitable to myself, my temperament or my skills. Thanks.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 13:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

== Move trivia ==

How do I know if trivia about moves is notable? The stuff I add sometimes gets undone even if it's unique to that move. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:54, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
:Depends on what the trivia is.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
::I guess a recent example would be my attempt to add a trivium to thunder wave. It said that thunder wave is currently the only status move whose effectiveness depends on the type chart, so that ground Pokemon were immune because it was electric type and not because it was programmed separately. I thought it was unique and notable, but it was taken down. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:57, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

== Erica124 yet again ==

{{user|Erica124}} has once again shown [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Walking_Pok%C3%A9mon&type=revision&diff=2810509&oldid=2808316 her inability] to use her force preview, despite [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AErica124&type=revision&diff=2808504&oldid=2771952 my earlier warning]. Maybe it's time to let her go? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:24, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
:Perma-blocking her is for the staff to decide, not you. You also need to calm down when approaching "problem" users, yes their continuous wrongdoings can be frustrating, by try to keep a level head when dealing with them. As for blocking, it's not excessive. Can't do much if it's a once in a while thing.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
::Oh, I thought you were part of staff? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:56, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Also, just so you know, it's not a once-in-a-while thing. Erica124 made [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Walking_Pok%C3%A9mon&type=revision&diff=2756991&oldid=2756735 the same exact error] on the same article before, and [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AErica124&type=revision&diff=2808504&oldid=2771952 I did warn her about it once]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:59, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I am. A perma block is something that needs to be discussed with other staff members first, not just immediately executed, unless the user we're dealing with is a vandal.
::::Yes, but her recent spate of unpreviewed edits aren't happening as frequently as it did back in March. She's not editing daily. She only didn't use the preview button on one article today. The last one before today was June 15th, four days ago. And the one before that was last month. Compare it to March where it was almost daily. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::Oh, okay. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:51, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

== Reply ==

Anything to say on my page? [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 06:39, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

== Quick query==
This is present in the trivia section on the Slowbro page:

*Slowbro's Pokédex entries state that if the Shellder is removed, it will revert to its Slowpoke form.
**This is the only mentioning of a Pokémon possibly devolving anywhere in the Pokémon games, aside from a card in the game versions of the TCG.

The first part is fine, the second point is incorrect as Exeggutor can also revert. Should the second point be deleted entirely as it both untrue and not unique or altered to include a connection with Exeggutor

e.g Slowbro and Exeggutor are the only recorded cases of Pokémon capable of devolution [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 12:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
:The second point may be removed as it is not unique to one Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:19, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

:: No worries, thank you.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 13:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

== Poké Problem characters list ==

OK, so my recent edit of [[SM080]] was taken down by you on the basis that, since the Pokémon I put on the appearance list appeared exclusively in the episode's Poké Problem, it doesn't deserve a mention (since Poké Problems are part of the episode apparently). I've also noticed that some edits on [[SM079]] also got erased on the same reason. Yet previous episodes' character lists feature characters that only appeared in the episodes' Poké Problem segments (for example Brock & Misty's siblings in [[SM042]]'s case and Harper and Sarah for [[SM071]]). As such, I have to wonder why its sometimes okay for characters and Pokémon that appeared exclusively in the Poké Problem of an episode to be mentioned on the character lists of said episode, but other times it's not OK? [[User:Pulsaro23|Pulsaro23]] ([[User talk:Pulsaro23|talk]]) 17:03, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:Then those need to removed from their episodes and any other episodes that list PokéProblem appearances needs to be fixed. PokéProblem is a segment similar to Who's That Pokémon, it is not part of the actual episode.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:57, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
::While I'll agree that the Poké Problem and Who's that Pokémon segments share a similarity (the fact that they are tied to a situation/Pokémon from the episode), they are also very different. By that I mean that, while the WtP segment doesn't have any impact on the overall story of the episode, the bonus scenes shown after the Poké Problem segments expand upon the story of the episode (personally, I'd say they're very similar to the after-credits scenes form the Marvel & DC movies). For example, the Poké Problem segments for SM022 and SM057 feature scenes that resolve the episodes' ending cliffhangers, while others, like the ones for SM042 and SM030, flesh out more of the characters' personality and traits, as well as showing their relationships with other characters. As such, I'd say that, while Poké Problem segments are really part of the main episode, they still have some degree of importance, since the scenes shown at the end of those segments expand upon the main theme/story/characters of the episode (and as such, they should, as you say, "count"). Plus, in the case of the XY series, characters that appeared exclusively in its Poké TV segments were mentioned on the appearance list for its episodes (e.g. XY096, XY099, XY106 etc.). So why should the Poké TV segments receive special treatment and the Poké Problem ones not? [[User:Pulsaro23|Pulsaro23]] ([[User talk:Pulsaro23|talk]]) 14:37, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

== Usage of the word "native" ==

{{user|PardescanSlowbro}} is [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Raichu_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2813914&oldid=2812285 concerned] about using the word "native" to describe the residents of [[Alola]] in the {{p|Raichu}} article, due to its connection to indigenous peoples who have been plagued with stereotypes and also its purported implicit nature as a development discourse, thus making it potentially offensive to some people. I did not see anything wrong with the word's usage, however, since it can alternatively be used as a synonym for "resident" or "citizen", as I [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2813930&oldid=2813886 pointed out to him]. He's still concerned and has [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PardescanSlowbro&diff=next&oldid=2813930 pointed out] that official literature no longer uses the word, seemingly making it taboo, even though I have still heard it being used in the context I just described.

Do you think it is appropriate to use "native" in any shape or form here? I'm not aware of any other articles here that use the word. I do acknowledge the potential issue of indigenous peoples being offended, but I don't think anyone will be offended given the word's context in the Raichu article. What do you think? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:12, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
:It's fine to use the word "native". No need to think that someone will get offended by the word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

:: You failed to acknowledge my concerns, and reverted my re-edit after GrammarFreak01 again deleted it. The latest addition aided the sentence in making it more concise, and as stated, the phrase 'the natives' is not used by the Pokémon Company in any of it literature, and probably for good measure. The term 'native' to mean local makes sense though should only be applied to describe an area or plant such as on the Vileplume page under the biology section. I would like another opinion as you have allowed a good edit to be reverted[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 05:52, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::It's very clear you changed the sentence because of your dislike of the word "native", whether it was a good change or not. You made the change because there was a word you didn't like. That's why it got reverted. There's is nothing wrong with using the word. The Pokémon Company not using it doesn't mean we can't use the word. You're thinking too much into the negative connotation of the word.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:00, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::: Negative connotations is your justification? I saw the term and looked at it as an opportunity to make a positive change in line with one of Bulbapedia's major aims, inclusivity. Allowing the phrase 'the natives' is an issue as it is loaded language and may be used on other pages in much the same way. But correcting the term to something more global and neutral has become the issue, leaving aside the issues associated with using this turn of phrase in the first place, even though the original editor of course had no intention of being racist or degrading to particular demographics. By actually allowing this term to pass through with your acceptance, you are also condoning the use of this term in much the same way across potentially other articles and it may enter people's own thoughts on people of different backgrounds. Inclusivity was my motivation because of the so-called negative and very true reality for many individuals on this planet, that terms like this are harmful. I cannot imagine the editor's guide has any detail on this specific turn of phrase, though it would diffidently be designed to uphold inclusivity of all peoples.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:23, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::You just admitted that the editor that added the word had no intention of being racist or degrading, if you already think that then it shouldn't be an issue. It's not offensive unless someone makes it offensive. The sentence is in no way written in an offensive manner, and no one will take it as an insult. You're looking to much into it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::I'm afraid you are wrong when it comes to the development discourse, it is an issue incidental or not. I am going to contact someone higher up to alert them to my concerns about the phrase, not word, "the natives", as you have plainly ignored the fact that such terminology is typically avoided due to taboo and discrimination surrounding it. Thanks [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 07:06, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::When used correctly, "native" can also be "global and neutral". The only way it can be considered "loaded language" is if the person writing it in question ''makes'' it loaded language. I understand the history behind the word, and I also understand that the current political climate makes usage of certain words even more dangerous, but if the word has alternate meanings that are more acceptable, then I don't see why we must avoid using it, no matter how incidental the racism. If you have a problem with it, take it up with Merriam-Webster, not the admins here. If someone else does have a problem with it, we'll talk it out, see where it goes. But in the meantime, we can't simply just avoid using a certain word out of concern of potentially offending someone, even if the word in question is used in an appropriate, non-offensive context. I can't think of anyone else here who would think this word, or similarly loaded language of any kind, should be omitted in its entirety even though it's being used in a non-offensive context. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:11, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. The word is not used in a derogatory manner, it is completely fine. It's all about context, and in this case, the context is not offensive. The only person that has a problem with it is you, Pardescan. And we won't change it just because one person thinks it may be offensive. I'll repeat this again, because you seem to be ignoring it, '''you are looking too much into the negative aspects of the word'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:32, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::It looks like [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAbcboy&type=revision&diff=2814552&oldid=2806683 he's made good on his promise]. I've already pitched my counterargument. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:43, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

== Template mainspace request ==

For the new Light trio page, there would need to be six Pokémon in the stats section, but there is no such template. I made a [[User:Celadonkey/Template:Groupstats/6|template]] for it and I wanted to know if I could mainspace it to add to the Light trio page. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 14:05, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

== Integration of Spaceworld Iterations of Existing Pokémon ==

I felt I would ask this here, since you're the one who linked the in-progress pages for the Pokémon Gold/Silver Spaceworld demo and you seem to know what the plans for them are, and the Gold and Silver Beta discussion page is rather cluttered and doesn't seem like a good place to catch the attention of anybody in particular.

There are a number of Pokémon added for the demo that did end up being released as official Pokémon, such as the Mareep, and Phanpy lines, Crobat, Espeon, Umbreon, Miltank, and others, who are present in the Spaceworld demo build, sometimes with different names and subtly-different designs. Additionally, there are Pokémon such as Haneko, Poponeko, and Wataneko, Gift, Blissey, Scissors, Leafeon, etc. that are very obviously earlier drafts of Pokémon that would appear in Generation II or later.

Are these Pokémon going to be integrated into the site differently compared to, say, Pokémon like Honoguma, Kurusu, Norowara, Wolfman, or Twinz, that were very clearly cut entirely and have yet to appear in any official, publicly-released Pokémon game?

As an aside, how are name labels going to be handled for Pokémon such as Kingdra, Girafarig, and Bellossom, whose final names are already present and in use in the demo? It seems to me that the sensible thing to do would be to label them with their final English names, since the names they have do have official English-language counterparts, and it would be clearer and easier to read for readers who might be unfamiliar with with the Japanese names of those Pokémon.
[[User:Topaz Light|Topaz Light]] ([[User talk:Topaz Light|talk]]) 14:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:Right now, the focus should be filling out the userpages with information before all that. The staff will figure out how the handle them in the mean time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:58, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

== A Small Request ==

Hi. A while ago I had asked to be put in the forcepreview group for editing. If possible, I think I'm ready to edit without needing to look at all my edits beforehand. If you could please take me out of forcepreview, and abuse as well, I would really appreciate it. Thank you. [[User:Veralann|'''Incentive'''''' (a.k.a. Veralann)''']] 19:57, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
:I'll take you out of force preview, but not out of abuse. You have not made nearly enough mainspace edits to warrant be placed out of abuse. Being away for a month means absolutely nothing. If you want out of abuse, prove that you will contribute more to the mainspace by making a whole lot of edits there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:04, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

== Random question ==

On the Pokemon articles, why do the Pokedex entry, location, and sprite tables always put Emerald before FireRed and LeafGreen even though Emerald was released after? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
:Probably to group the hoenn games together.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:18, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks for answering, I guess. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 06:03, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

== Bulbapedia lagging again ==

It seems this site is becoming very laggy for me. Is there an issue with the site? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:28, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
:Site's running smoothly for me. Probably something on your end.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:37, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
::Well, it seems the site's running smoothly for me now. It might've had something to do with the connection. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:42, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

== List of locations by name ==

I personally think the page should stop excluding named routes. Even if we somehow made the definition clear, I still don't want people checking both that page and "list of routes" to see if either of them has the location they want. I also don't see a good reason for the exclusion. I think excluding cities and numbered routes is okay because people can tell if somewhere is a city or numbered route just by looking at the name. Even then, I'm leaning toward including cities because some places (like Two Island) don't end in "City" or "Town" and aren't obviously cities. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 05:40, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Staff imitating user ==

{{u|Форс файре}} is a cyrillisation of your name. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 18:47, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Nintenchris5963 ==

The user {{user|Nintenchris5963}} added something to the [[Talk:Mt. Silver]] which I'm pretty sure isn't allowed on talk pages. Should the comment he made be removed or should it stay? (I'm only asking since it's normally not allowed to remove Talk Page comments). '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 10:46, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
:You can remove comments that breach the talk page policy.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

== "Faint" versus "Get knocked out" ==

"Faint" is the more technical term, so I try to change "knocked out" to "faint" wherever I can. Also, a few days ago, I tried to look for information about fainting by doing ctrl+f "faint" and couldn't find anything because the article said "knocked out" instead, so what I wanted took me a few minutes longer to find. I eventually made that edit in attempt to save time for anyone who might attempt the same thing in the future. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 15:03, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:That sounds like a problem specifically for you. We are not going to cater the site whenever you face a problem. "Knocked out" carries the same meaning as "fainted", like what else could it possibly mean.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:21, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
::The reasons why "fainted" is better than "knocked out", however insignificant, exist. Is there a reason why "knocked out" is better than "fainted"? And aren't we supposed to use technical terms over "fanmade terms" whenever possible? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:25, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Neither is better, but both '''mean the same thing in spirit''' (unable to battle). It's not a necessary change. And "knocked out" is not "fan made" it's just a word used to substitute "fainted". Using a word that is not official doesn't make the word "fan made", that's just being ridiculous. Don't change things because you couldn't find something, just because you couldn't find something doesn't mean everyone else will face the same problem.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:57, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
::::If neither is better, why do you care which one the article says? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Because it's an '''unnecessary change'''. Just because we use another word other than fainted, doesn't make that word fan-made. Like in a plot synopsis, we're not going to use the term "fainted" every time a Pokémon faints, we're going to use other terms like "knocked out" from time to time. Y'know, have a bit of variety in our articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:12, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::That section was a game mechanic, not a plot synopsis. Aren't they different? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:45, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::That's not the point. The point is, '''it's an unnecessary change'''. Stop reading what you want to read. It doesn't matter if it's not using the word "faint". Using another word other than "faint" doesn't make the article more inaccurate. It's just a word. You're thinking too much into it. No one will get confused by the term "knocked out". They'll know what it means.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:09, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::I think what Force Fire tries to tell you isn't "don't change specifically this to specifically that", it's rather "don't change '''anything''' if the change doesn't clearly improve the article". The larger the number of edits, the more work there is for the servers; we should only change anything if it's justified. That's why he cares which one of the equally good terms stays — because changing it will unnecessarily overload servers. First come, first served in this case. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 15:37, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

== Mallow Tsareena Sweet Scent ==

Hi. So in SM082 Mallow's Tsareena does something that some would describe as Sweet Scent, as it has a similar appearance and effect to how the move was used in its pre-evolved forms. PlayerKing95 has removed it because we don't have enough proof, despite the evidence pointing towards it. I, as well as another user, has reached out to him to discuss it. It has been more than a week now and he has ignored multiple messages to resolve this issue, and it is making me think that he will continue to ignore messages because it means the page can't be changed. Could I get some help with this? Thank you. --[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:48, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
:I have given him a message. I currently have no strong opinions on this matter, generally we can say it's Sweet Scent because the animation is unlikely to change upon evolution. But I'm interested in what Playerking has to say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:11, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
::Thank you, looks like he finally responded to it. Based on his answer is it safe to put Sweet Scent back on, as there doesn't seem to be an argument against it.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 16:14, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Hello again. It's been a couple weeks and I was wondering what the status of Sweet Scent is. Thanks.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 13:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

== Random question ==

When I type just about anything in the search bar, the autocomplete suggestions always appear in the same order. For example, typing only "user:" always displays "User:Tiddlywinks", "User:Force Fire", "User:Raltseye", "User:SnorlaxMonster", etc. in that order. Do you have any idea what determines that order? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:12, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
:Pretty sure the ordering is just random.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:18, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
::If it was completely random, would it still put more active users closer to the top? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:35, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
:::It's probably fixed, random but fixed. The listing probably wouldn't change regardless of how active a user is.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:51, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
::::It could be fixed by the most visisted user pages. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:00, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

== Reason ==

Could you give a summary rather than only reverting a contribution without reason, that's irritating. {{unsigned|KyleRGiggs}}

:He's reverting you because this is the mandatory writing style for a recurring character in the anime and you're pointlessly changing it at [[Professor Burnet]]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:45, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
::Exactly. Your reasoning for removing it didn't even make sense, and if you actually read other anime character articles, other recurring characters also use the term "reappears".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:51, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
:::So DID both of you read the article CAREFULLY why "Since their marriage, Burnet has moved in with Kukui and Ash and '''has made regular appearances''' in the Sun & Moon series ever since." is present in the sentence? So why don't Professor Kukui being "reappear" for every episode? Regular appearancing should not be recurring? I don't get the sense. {{unsigned|KyleRGiggs}}
::::Just because someone makes regular appearances, doesn't mean we can't use the word "reappear". Besides, the two don't appear that regularly, especially for Burnet who only appeared once in between SM071-80 (not counting the PokeProblem segment) and Kukui only physically appears four times in that 10 episode span. And sign your comments.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:18, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::I did read that sentence. To be honest, that sentence needs to be reworded. As Force Fire said, it's not as regular as that sentence implies. If she did appear "regularly", then she'd actually be a main character, and then the need to list every episode she appears in is diminished. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

== Random stuff ==

Since I last contacted you, I've come up with a few new things to ask every now and then, but they keep slipping my mind when I don't talk about them. Hence why I've decided to dedicate this section of the talk page for subjects that I come up with and need admin help for, which means that I may sometimes come back here when I come up with something new. But anyway, let's get started with the most recent subject I've come up with: the [[Looker]] Bureau post-game story from {{pkmn|X and Y}}. Since the [[Delta Episode]] and [[Episode RR]] have their own pages, shouldn't the Looker Bureau storyline also get its own article? I think it would deserve it. 
Oh, and speaking of new articles: has my suggestion of splitting the Kantonian Gym and Tide Song Hotel into their own location articles been moving forward? Has it received enough approval to actually be done some day? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:17, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
:I did bring them (Kantonian Gym and Tide Song Hotel) up with the other staff members, didn't really come to a solid conclusion. For me, they both appear to have very little information text wise (from what is already there), and what we don't want are articles that are just one paragraph and a whole bunch of templates. I think it'd be good to create them in your userspace to see how the page will look.
:The Looker saga could be made into it's own page. Make on in your userpage so the staff can decide if it's needed.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
::I've created the page for the Kantonian Gym [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Kantonian Gym|here]], and I also intend to start making the Tide Song Hotel and Looker Bureau pages as soon as I find the time for it. In the meantime, though, there's a couple of other things I would like to bring up.
::Firstly, [[Talk:Serena (game)#Father? (revived)|this talk]] regarding the X and Y rival's father. Evidence heavily suggests that Calem/Serena's father is a Veteran Trainer who can be found in [[Snowbelle City]], but for the last bit of confirmation, we need someone who can read Japanese. Could you ask someone to help with that?
::And secondly... Secondly... Well, this is ''exactly'' why I should come here to vent ideas out of my head more often. I've forgotten my second point. Embarrassing, I know, but I'll come back to it once I remember it.
::--[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:22, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
::Ah, I remember now! Some time ago, I created a category for {{cat|Legendary and Mythical Pokémon locations}}, my intention being to have it attached to the {{template|legendarylocations}} template. However, said template is protected, so I'd need help from a user like you to put it there. Could you do it? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
:::I've brought the Kantonian Gym page to the others. There was talks of the Serena's father issue a while back, I think one of the staff members found in game text supporting it, though I asked again to be sure. Navigation templates only need the Navigation template category, the category you provided would go on the actual location pages.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:59, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks, looking forward to the results.
::::Yes, it's been proven that the gender pronoun used by the supposed father changes depending on the player character's gender, but we now also have links to two Japanese videos to see if this occurs in the Japanese version too, which could count as the final piece of evidence, and is why we need someone who can understand Japanese to confirm it.
::::I mean like this: <nowiki><includeonly>[[Category:Legendary and Mythical Pokémon locations]]</includeonly></nowiki> When a category is attached to a template like this, it will only apply to the pages where said template is used at, not the template itself. That's what I would like you to do, if possible.
::::--[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:56, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::I've now finished the Tide Song Hotel page as well. You can find it [[User:FinnishPokéFan92/Tide Song Hotel|here]]. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:20, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::Excuse the delay. The Looker bureau post game story can be made, with the title "Looker events" as that is what it's called in-game, according to another staff member. Haven't gotten much feedback regarding the other stuff that you brought up. I'll keep you updated regarding those.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:14, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks for the update. Will do. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::::I haven't started working on the Looker evernts yet, but I haven't forgotten about them. In the meantime, though, there's an issue that has been bugging me for years now, which nobody has appparently done anything to fix yet. I'm talking about Generation VI models. Not only are we still missing most VS models from at least one set of the Generation VI core series games, we are also still missing a couple VS models: [[Archie]] and [[Zinnia]] are missing their VS models altogether (they've been using temporary ones for years now), and {{an|Brendan}} and {{an|May}} are missing their VS models with a [[Key Stone|Mega Bracelet]]. I've also wondered if the difference between the {{tc|Team Flare Grunt}}s who are striking a pose and those who aren't would warrant alternate VS models for them, but that's a lesser priority in my books.
::::::::And, as for a more recent case of the same issue, we're still missing several US/UM VS models as well, including the {{tc|Master & Apprentice}} and {{tc|Sparring Partners}} VS models and [[Gladion]]'s VS model with a Z-Power Ring. Could you bring this up with people who could possibly fix these issues? I've tried to do it myself a couple times over the years, but it has never lead to anything. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:02, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, almost forgot! [[Giovanni]]'s first VS model is a bit dark, and [[Professor Kukui]] is also missing his model with the Z-Power Ring. PS. Has the Serena/Calem father topic been solved? Can it be considered confirmed? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:18, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::The VS sprites are something that is still ongoing, it just gets lower and lower on the priority list whenever something new comes around. It's something that will be done, "when" I can't really say for sure. Users are free to upload the models themselves, granted they get it from somewhere that isn't a fan site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:54, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Figures. I'm just a guy who hates incompleteness, so these lingering cases of incompleteness tend to bug me a lot. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::For a while now already, I've been planning a massive edit project, where I go over '''every single''' page with a Stadium and Stadium 2 party template, and change the number of Poké Balls in the template(s) to 3 instead of 6 (since only three of the six Pokémon are always used per battle), as well as remove the word "Pokémon" from the game name, as it isn't that way in any other game party templates either. But that's why I've come here for you this time: in preparation for this project, could you edit {{template|Party/Single}} to include codes for Stadium and Stadium 2 in the game name section? And while we're on the topic of this template, do the Battle Chatelaines alone warrant a combined code for X, Y, OR, and AS, and the few version-exclusive Battle Tree Trainers from Generation VII codes for S/US and M/UM, respectively? PS. I hope you understood that last part. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thanks. I saw you just doing this, and I'm honestly really grateful for it, but in case you didn't know, when we refer to "Pokémon Stadium", the link should go to "[[Pokémon Stadium (English)]]", instead of just "[[Pokémon Stadium]]". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:37, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Never mind. You noticed that yourself. Sorry. XP --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

{{indent}}Added Stadium/2 to the template. As for changing the Poké Ball number, I'm iffy about it. I get what you're saying, but they still have six possible Pokémon. As for the last request, I assume you mean for the party template?, if so, they're already coded in.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:40, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:Yeah. Personally, I'm inclined to keep the six Poké Balls too, but, as you can see {{DL|Professor Kukui|Battle Royal Dome|here}}, for example, some user(s) apparently think that the number of shown Poké Balls should be equal to the maximum number of Pokémon that can be used from said selection of Pokémon at a time. Hence why most [[Pokémon World Tournament|PWT]] teams have six Balls, since all six Pokémon are used if the [[Triple Battle]] format is in used. Then there's also the case where the pool of possible Pokémon is greater than six, but I can understand that one.
:As for the codes, I meant as in a code of "XYORAS" turning out as "X, Y, Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire", and codes "SUS" and "MUM" turning out as "Sun and Ultra Sun" and "Moon and Ultra Moon", respectively. However, as I said, the former would only apply to the four {{tc|Battle Chatelaine}}s, while the latter ones would only apply for the few [[Battle Tree]] Special Trainers who are version-exclusive, so I wondered if that's a good enough reason for those codes to be created. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
::For the Kukui article, I think the line "Master Rank challenge of the Battle Royal, using three of the following Pokémon" will suffice. If they're confused, then they are just flat out not reading the article. As for the stadium articles, I think a similar line could work.
::Ah I see, I've added the code for those.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:45, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks a ton! Now there's nothing stopping me from starting my grand edit project! And it's going to be even easier I expected, thanks to you!
:::Nice work... Except that you made a small typo. You accidentally wrote "SUM" instead of "MUM" for "Moon and Ultra Moon". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 11:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Another small typo found. The link for Stadium 2 leads just to "Pokémon Stadium". You forgot the "2" from the end. Whoops...
::::Also, another unrelated thing: in Pokémon Colosseum, the player character starts the game off with a number of healing items in their Bag. Does this qualify as a method of acquiring these items for their respective articles? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Fixed. As for the items, I'd say those count.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::I think we need a link template to make the Alola game links easier to create, as writing "<nowiki>[[Pokémon Sun and Moon|Pokémon Sun, Moon]], [[Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon|Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon]]</nowiki>" for a link version of "Pokémon Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon" again and again can get tiresome, plus it eats up a lot of unnecessary space. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure how, so I've come to ask for your help again. Can you do it, or at least ask someone else to do it? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:30, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Took a while to remember what the template was, but [[Template:Game4]] exists, though I edited it to add USUM. Typing the code <nowiki>{{game4|Sun|Moon|Sun|Moon}}</nowiki> should give you this: {{game4|Sun|Moon|Sun|Moon}}.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:54, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you! Also, another issue regarding link templates: when adding a link to a Pokémon's alternate form, it's usually written as <nowiki>{{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|<Pokémon>|<Form name>}}</nowiki>, which, like the previous thing you fixed, is a bit lengthy, especially if done repeatedly. So I've been thinking about the creation of a link template to fix the issue, going something like this: <nowiki>{{form|<Pokémon>|<Form name>}}</nowiki>, which would lead to the correct section of [[List of Pokémon with form differences]], based on the contents of the second slot (the one with <Pokémon> in my example here). Do you think this could/should be made? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:58, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Also, I just noticed: your edit on {{template|game4}} was a bit flawed. The "Sun and Moon" part of the link includes the word "Versions", even though it's not supposed to. I saw you fixed this issue regarding the "Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon" part of the link, but it seems you still missed something. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Did you miss my above messages? Or have you just been too busy to answer yet? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:55, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::I purposely left the "versions" in the first link as I wasn't confident whether adding a switch would mess the template up and mess up other pages that are using the template, so I didn't risk it. I'll bring up to idea for a "form template" to the other staff members, though I think it's a fine idea.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::1) Oh. I see. Well, I've already used the template on a couple pages, so now what? 2) Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:32, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::Just leave the ones you've added. I'll tweak the template in a userspace at some point. As for the form template, [[User:Abcboy/Form|Abcboy]] has already made a template in his userpage, that'll be under consideration.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:03, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}Thank you. Also, whoa. It appears that this template idea wasn't as new as I thought. Let's hope it'll finally get mainspaced some day. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:04, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks for helping me out with {{user|EternalDragonX}}. He also left a reply to your response already, just in case you haven't noticed yet. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:45, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
::He still doesn't believe either of us. Could you do something about it? And, if possible, could you continue the talk with him on his page instead of mine? PS. His refusal to use big capital letters in talk pages irks me. I know there's technically nothing wrong with it, but if you see fit to notify him about it too, then please do. If you don't, I won't hold it against you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:18, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
:::A few days ago, he started arguing with me about [[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92#viridian gym|another subject (s)]]. Please help me. I'm seriously growing tired of this. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 18:39, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
::::I'll leave a message on their talk page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::After a bit of absence from this talk page, I'm back again. Regarding the [[Master Trainer]] article, how do we list the Trainers? Do we do it in the regular Trainer class Trainer list fashion, or some other way? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:21, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Hello? Did you miss my above post? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::It's currently being discussed by staff members, precisely to what extent do we want to detail the trainers. The trainers will be listed in table format, by the way.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:49, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::OK. In that case, I'll just wait and see how it'll be done. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:00, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Immediately, another thing: as I'm now editing "Rocket Hideout" links to "[[Team Rocket Hideout]]", I discovered that [[Pokémon Reorchestrated: Kanto Symphony]] had been protected in 2016 because of "speculation crackdown". Whatever the issue was back then, I'm pretty sure it's long gone by now. Could the page be unprotected now? PS. Funnily enough, turns out that '''I''' was the last person to edit that page before it was protected, way back in 2015. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:16, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::Thanks a ton! That's the last redirect link I need to edit! (Since I'm naturally not touching user or talk pages.) --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My next thing is in regards to {{template|Sign}}. It hasn't been updated in years, and I personally feel like we need new sign styles for the games that have come out since. What do you think? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I've brought it up with the other staff members. Not too sure what the status of the template is, whether it's discontinued or not.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:53, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

== Undoing changes ==

Please, don't revert changes as I add information that a [[Focus Sash]] can be stolen from [[Iris]]' {{p|Haxorus}} during all the battles. I don't want to cause an edit war, but I placed the information in the correct row ({{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}). [[User:TheICTLiker4|TheICTLiker4]] ([[User talk:TheICTLiker4|talk]]) 06:56, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
:And as Finnish said, you don't permanently keep the item. It doesn't count.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

== Status ==

What does "status" mean when used to describe Bulbapedia users? Like, how do we know the difference between "hiatus" and "inactive"? How long of a break counts as a hiatus? What does "X" mean? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:If someone is on "hiatus", that means they are away for some time but will return eventually, how long the hiatus is differs between staff members. "Inactive" is detailed {{bp|Inactive Staff|here}}. X denotes someone of high authority, they may not be very active but they are still very important staff members.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:54, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::If someone says he/she/it is on hiatus and doesn't come back, then how long does it usually take for other people to change that person's status to "inactive"? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:18, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::That decision is up to the Editor in Chief.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:34, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Okay thanks. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:07, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== Possible inappropriate name ==

Someone under {{user|RAEVEisdumb}} was created after someone called {{user|RAEVE}} was just created. Should it be flagged? '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 19:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:I've blocked the former but left the latter unblocked. I ''could'' block them both since they both share the same IP, but since RAEVE hasn't done anything yet, I'll leave them unblocked unless they become a problem.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:34, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

== PardescanSlowbro again ==

I have tried to offer [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2840364&oldid=2826236 constructive criticism] on PardescanSlowbro's spelling of "compliment" in [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Tyson_%28Hoenn%29&type=revision&diff=2840264&oldid=2834631 this edit], but once again, he responded with paranoia, a refusal to cooperate, and accusations of edit-stalking ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2840597&oldid=2840364] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2840645&oldid=2840640] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2840648&oldid=2840647] [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2840661&oldid=2840649]). In the last diff, he even had the gall to tell me I shouldn't be contacting anyone if that's how I'm going to talk to people. This is in spite of me [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APardescanSlowbro&type=revision&diff=2840647&oldid=2840645 admitting that my original message unintentionally did not come across as constructive and apologizing for that]. I cannot even talk about the most basic constructive criticism with this guy, and it is so frustrating. I was actually hoping I could have a more in-depth discussion about his writing style in regards to his recent edits, but given that he's always reacting like this in some form or fashion, I cannot muster the courage to talk to him, no matter what the subject is. I can't even properly talk to him about the minor stuff (silly, I know, but I can't even talk to him about the major stuff in the first place). I talk to other users the same way I'm talking to him, yet he's always the one who responds with hostility and vitriol. I'm really not trying to be malicious towards him or anything like that. Can you please comment on this? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

== Grammarfreak at it again ==
I know, you're very busy. But it seems that Grammarfreak are trying everything to post his/her claim are right. While everyone is wrong. Especially, when he illegally created it voice actress article without admin permission. Especially for trying to make it sounds he taken command of everything. If you can, could you please ban him/her. I tired of his aggression and persistent changing the sentences to be great. Thank you! [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 02:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASingaporean&type=revision&diff=2843736&oldid=2839035 I already told you], I didn't know you already had a userspace article for [[Sumire Morohoshi]] in the works, and I'm sorry about that! That aside, how is that "illegal"? I admitted it was a mistake caused by a lazy eye. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:: You know, you create with one article after another without admin permission is already officially illegal. That is also included disrespectful to me after all the hard work, I have done and learns to make a better article. But it seems that, you had a history of pattern aggressive toward everybody. I wasn't surprised, your primary target now is me. It wasn't take every long in a next few day. You will ditch my all my userspace edited and try to create one to waste more page to fill in the empty to draw attention to everyone. Remind you again, this is not your playground of editing. [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 03:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:::A while back, I [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Tiddlywinks#Creating_Japanese_voice_actor_articles asked] {{U|Tiddlywinks}} about the process of creating VA articles, and they directed me to [[Bulbapedia:Project VA]] without mentioning anything else. The main project page ''never'', ''EVER'' said anything about having to consult with the admins first before the creation of an individual article, and trust me, I read through that thing thoroughly. I've been at this since last month, and no one has given me any warnings or blocked me for creating so many VA articles during that time. This is in comparison to [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:GrammarFreak01/Archive_1#Creating_pages the warning I got] from Tiddlywinks hours after I created the [[Ash's Pikachu (M20)]] article (which was what motivated me to ask Tiddlywinks about the VA articles in the first place). Because of all that, I took it that my actions were already cleared by Tiddlywinks and I didn't even have to worry about asking the admins any further.

:::If it was supposed to be common sense for me to just alert the admins about the creation of any kind of article beforehand, then I do apologize for that. I was simply following everything that was laid out for me at [[Bulbapedia:Project VA]], with the misconception that Tiddlywinks was alright with everything simply because I contacted him only once before my article creation spree. And ''trust me'', I am now reviewing all of the other userspace articles you've got so I will know which VAs you are already working on. I'm so sorry if you felt cheated and that your hard work on the Morohoshi userspace article was wasted because of me. I swear, I was not aware of that userspace article, and that is not going to happen again, I promise. Especially now that you've got your own eye on me and my conduct. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Regardless of your apologize to me or not. The action will be leave to [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] to dealt with. Even though of the risk for me being banned one more time again. I also satisfied. [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 03:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::I'm well aware that it's all up to Force Fire, given the severity of your complaints against me. I'm just trying to explain what you would call my more egregious actions. I at least have that right to do so, don't I? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

GrammarFreak already clarified that he didn't see your userpage, Singaporean. No need to overreact the way you did. He apologized, move on. Anyone can create a VA article, granted that it fits the notability criteria. Users can make it on the mainspace, '''only if''' they are capable of making it up to Bulbapedia standards upon making the article (to which I feel GrammarFreak did). And don't take that as an invitation to create VA article on the mainspace, Singaporean.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:If you say so, then I will go ahead and create all my remaining work directly without the need of my userspace. Thanks. [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 12:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
::No. I '''did not''' say you can make them in the mainspace. I literally said it in my response. The ones you made on your userspace still needs to be approved. And that is '''NOT''' how you move userpages to the mainspace.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:::My apologized for my rush work. I didn't know about it. It is already almost a year and I didn't heard anything about you and the other approved my work to main article is just really frustrating. I do hope, you can give me an answer after a few days later. Thank you! [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 13:05, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

== A strange user talk page ==

Hello and sorry if I'm bothering you, but I started to wonder, if such content as [[User talk:CarterLumpkins|this]] is OK to have on one's user talk page. This doesn't seem to aggressively promote some service, thought it does have a weblink. However, the topic is so NOT Pokémon... is this allowed? Is this evidence of a spammer? The user page was created three minutes before the talk page. Thank you! [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 12:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
:Dealt with. Those are usually spambots.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:55, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

== Search bar problems ==

I just started having a problem with the search bar at the left of my screen. Every time I type something in, it won't show me a list of options, and every time I try to look up a list of pages containing a certain word(s), it won't show the lists. Instead, there's a message that reads, "An error has occurred while searching: We could not complete your search due to a temporary problem. Please try again later." I definitely know I'm not misspelling anything. What's going on with that? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
:Staff are aware of the issue and will try to get to the bottom of it asap.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:01, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
::Okay. That's good to know. Thanks for the heads-up. :) [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:06, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

== Internal error ==

Occasionally, since about last week, I've been getting these "Internal error" messages every time I try to submit an edit. I manage to get through it, but the frequency of these messages is starting to increase and I don't know what's going on. This is an example of the "Internal error" message I tend to get.

[8e5e0cf8d713375f0b2bb8b3] 2018-09-17 04:55:29: Fatal exception of type "Error"

Would you mind getting to the bottom of this? Thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

:I'm still getting these messages with intensifying frequency. Here's the latest one:

[d52bf67181c53700b65c1f44] 2018-09-18 04:52:01: Fatal exception of type "Error"

:[[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
::Staff are aware of the issues and are looking into it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:19, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

::::I'm not sure what's being done to rectify this problem, nor do I presume to know, but for the record, I'm still having these problems. Here's the latest one I got:

[39026dee922ac834907c8f6e] 2018-09-20 07:23:46: Fatal exception of type "Error"

::::[[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:25, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

:::::My apologies, but this problem is still happening for me. Is the staff still investigating the issue? Or did they think they found a solution and implemented it already? Not that I doubt anyone's effectiveness in this matter. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:43, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::Still haven't heard back on whether the problem was fixed or not, but I'll ping the higher ups about the issue.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:31, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Okay, thanks. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:45, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

== Transfer-only moves and ability changes ==

Can we add a section to every Pokemon page that lists all the moves the Pokemon can know only if it originated in an earlier generation (move tutors, old TMs, etc.)? Cross-checking multiple pages for this information is annoying. Second, can we change the Pokemon infobox template to make pages like {{p|Pelipper}} clear that Pelipper can't have drizzle in Generations 3-6? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:06, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

== Zlblosser18 ==

A little heads-up, it looks like in spite of [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZlblosser18&type=revision&diff=2853997&oldid=2853990 your advice], Zlblosser18 is still [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Charmander_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2855104&oldid=2855092 removing templates]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

:It also seems like they're disregarding [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zlblosser18&diff=prev&oldid=2855095 my advice] that titles like [[Pokémon Origins]] and [[Pokémon Generations]] are not traditionally italicized here. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
::Looks like TiddlyWinks has given them a final warning. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Seems like it. I'll withdraw the complaint, then. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:02, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

== floor order cont ==

im confused, youre saying the ordering will be RBY>GSC>FRLG>HGSS regardless of floor order? so do you mean list all rby items before gsc or put them together if there are two items on the same floor? yes, i am using common sense by not putting an item deep in the dungeon first, but what if said deep item were to be on one of the earlier floors if not the earliest? then floor order dictates i would have to list said item before many of the other items i pass by before i even get to it. thats why floor order is bad. i know were not a walkthrough, but we have to list the items in one way or another, and like you said, it should make sense atleast right? I understand that it is not a "high" priority. but if i can list in an order that makes sense, why not? is floor order really a higher priority? again im trying to say that floor order is bad. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 12:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, the game order will still be the same regardless of the template going by floor order. If an items exist in more than one set of games and is in the same location, the games get put together.
:Just so we're on the same page here, when you say "deep" you mean tucked in the furthest part of the first floor, right? Because there's no way the place I just described could be the first thing you come across. If you mean if the player traverses from the opposite end (say Victory Road, Pokemon League entrance to Route 22 entrance), then that's not really important. The location ordering should be from the player's first run through of the area (so Route 22 to Pokemon League).
:Sorting by floor order helps users see what items are available at a certain floor in one grouping. It'd actually be ''more'' confusing if the listing were to alternate between "Floor 1" and "Floor 2", especially if there's suddenly a "Basement floor" in between them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
::may i suggest instead of RBY>GSC>FRLG>HGSS, that it be RBY>FRLG>GSC>HGSS? because rby frlg are basically the same games and a lot of the time they will have items that are common to all of them, but also a lot of the time frlg will have some new items, and shoving gsc items in between would not only look weird, but confusing.
::yes i mean for example tucked away in a place on the first floor that also serves as the back exit. therefore in a regular playthrough, most players would pick up said item last, since you run by every other item before it. victory road is a perfect example of what im talking about. of course i wouldnt list the items as if they were going from indigo plateau to route 22. that makes no sense. if you look at the list: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Victory_Road_(Kanto)#Items i list guard spec ultra ball and full restore on floor 2 after overheat on floor 3. why? because those 3 items are grouped in an area in floor 2 that can only be accessible after passing through the entirety of floor 3; the area in this case being the exit. so in my head, this ordering makes perfect sense. blindly following floor order would mean i would list these items before the max revive, which again i dont think makes much sense since we talked about how they literally cant be come acrossed before the floor 3 items. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 18:11, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Any unpredictable order is bad. A reasonable person would generally expect to see everything for a floor together. If I see several items that start with something like 1F, 2F, 1F, 3F, 5F (or whatever), it just looks messy to me. Nothing that extreme may occur in the games, but that's what your logic would demand. (And less extreme examples are still messy IMO.)
:::It's not exactly hard to look back to the "end" of a floor if there were items you just couldn't get to when you passed through the first part (if floors are grouped). But if floors aren't grouped, then if I see several items starting with "2F" and then that turns into "3F", I'm gonna think those were all the items on 2F in the list, and that can be very confusing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:34, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
::::altho i still believe that 1F, 2F, 1F, 3F, 5F (or whatever) would be better if it made sense that you'd get the items that way, i have argued my point to the fullest and i can respect it if you disagree. however, still waiting on you force fire to answer my question about listing the items in region order rather than game order. aka kanto>johto>hoenn etc. over rby>gsc>frlg etc. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 00:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Ordering the games by RBY>FRLG>GSC>HGSS is fine, some (or a majority of) articles are like this.
:::::So we are talking about the same thing, that brings up the question of why you are concerned about having to place an item that is deep in a dungeon as the first item. As I said, the order should be listed on the players first run through of the area. You don't need to worry about those that'll traverse the opposite way.
:::::As for items that can only be accessed via another floor, group those under all the other Floor 2 items and say in the descriptor that it requires traversing through Floor 3. Putting those items below Floor 3 makes it a touch confusing, and also a bit walkthrough-ish. I guess it's just me being condescending, but players should be able figure that stuff (having to traverse through floor 3 to get to some floor 2 items) for themselves. And ass TiddlyWinks said, listing the items by floor looks much more cleaner and easier on the eyes.
:::::Also, I saw and checked that you changed the template to be one big listing rather than separate listings. Maybe that should've been discussed first before making the edit. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::i am concerned about having to place an item that is deep as the first item because if for example it was one of, if not the only, items on the first accessible floor (say floor 1), but not accessible unless you traverse one of the other floors (say floor 2), then we gotta list it first even tho you probably get the other items on floor 2 before it. you already answered this in your 3rd paragraph. like i said to tiddlywinks if u guys feel like floor order is cleaner then fine. i also like your solution of putting in the descriptor that it requires traversing through floor 3. i think ill do that. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 14:33, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::about putting in the descriptor that obtaining an item requires traversing another floor.. would you just list that as a sentence at the end? or would you like put it in an asterisk at the end? --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 15:24, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Examples of these sorts of explanations/directions can be seen on pages like [[Frost Cavern]], [[Victory Road (Kalos)]], and [[Haina Desert]]. The descriptions should be easily readable, which tooltips are not (mobile users cannot read them at all AFAIK). The only reason to consider a tooltip would be if the detail is exceptionally long. (Because a very long description is, itself, also not the most readable thing.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:24, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

== Satomi Kōrogi ==

I need help moving the [[Satomi Kōrogi]] article. The romanization seems to prefer using Satomi K'''oo'''rogi instead but I am unable to move the article because of a redirect interfering. Thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:33, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
:Moved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:01, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks! :D [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

== Transfer-only moves and ability changes ==

Can we add a section to every Pokemon page that lists all the moves the Pokemon can know only if it originated in an earlier generation (move tutors, old TMs, etc.)? Cross-checking multiple pages for this information is annoying. Second, can we change the Pokemon infobox template to make pages like {{p|Pelipper}} clear that Pelipper can't have drizzle in Generations 3-6? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:34, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
:I personally see no need in listing transferable moves, it's common sense. Of course a Pokémon that only knows X move in Gen III is going to know it if you transfer it to a Gen vII game. And it's really not much of a nuisance. Want a to know a Pokémon's moveset from a specific generation? go to the separate learnlists. Want a specific move? go to the specific move article. It's not ''that'' annoying.
:The infobox templates is currently in discussions of an update. The update will accommodate having more abilities listed. Have patience.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:05, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
::The whole purpose of learnset sections was to put every move that a Pokemon can know in one place, right? If the learnset sections are not doing that, what other purpose do they have? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 19:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
:::It's to list moves a Pokémon can learn in the '''current''' generation. Transferring moves isn't exactly "learning a move by level up or breeding in Generation VII". If a Pokémon can only learn a move in a previous generation, go to that generation's learnset or the move's article. You're only clicking one link, not 500. It's not as mundane as you're making it out to be.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:29, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
::::It appears to me you're just saying how another question is easy to answer.
::::If you're seriously interested in this (not just stalling), let me suggest (with best intentions) to just try to answer "What moves can Pikachu '''''know''''' in a copy of, say, USUM?" by browsing Bulbapedia. I currently need more than 5 minutes, and I would consider this ''the'' central use case, and probably the most important question for competitive play. (It's not even easy to be confident the resulting list was exhaustive, so if you'd like, you may even post your list here, and let me see if I have any more.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 09:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Saying "what can Pikachu learn in USUM" is literally the same as saying "what can Pikachu learn in Gen VII". Not Gen II. Not Gen IV. Saying a specific game means you're looking for a learnset from a specific generation. And it certainly does not take "more than 5 minutes" to find what you want. If you know what you're looking for, you have a Pokémon and move/generation in mind, it should only take you one minute top. A few clicks. You're not going to be scouring the entire site just to look for one move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::Neither of these question were asked, you just continue to answer them.
::::::Pikachu can ''know'' moves in USUM that it cannot ''learn'' in USUM, {{m|Mega Kick}}, for example. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:10, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::It's called a learnlist for a reason, moves a Pokémon can learn in a game or generation. Of course it'll know a move from a previous generation if you transfer it to a current game, that does not need to be spelled out. No one is going to think that it won't know the move once they transfer the Pokémon. If users want to know what moves it can learn previously, they can browse the site.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:24, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}I'm not sure you understand me/us (or even try to, really). So, just for me to get this clear: Are you saying that, in your opinion, a) the question "What moves can <species> '''''know''''' in <game/generation>?" is not relevant, not worthwhile for Bulbapedia to easily provide an answer to, and that b) species pages should only provide moves a Pokémon can ''learn'' in the current generation? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:14, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
:It's not hard to find what you're looking for, all you're doing is clicking on one link, totaling up to a few seconds. If you had to go through page after page, I can get why it'd be annoying or hard. But it's not.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
::I'm beginning to feel confident you're just stalling. I'm asking questions, I don't get answers.
::I'll just continue trying to keep this simple: Please list all moves Pikachu can know (in a USUM game). If it's not hard, I'd be glad to hear that it's easily possible using Bulbapedia (and preferably also how). Also (and in particular if you're unable or unwilling to list all of Pikachu's moves), please answer the two questions I just asked, a) and b). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:02, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia is not a strategy guide. Comp is not our focus.
:::You're highlighting comp as your reason for a promoting "moves a [species] can know" angle. But there's a bunch of comp stuff we're never going to do. We're not doing tier lists. We're not gonna tell you what "good" movesets are. Comp is no reason that we would "have" to accomodate anything.
:::That's not to say we're thoroughly hostile to a list of "legacy" moves.
:::But kind of like ForceFire has said, learnlists ARE for what a Pokemon can learn ''within'' a generation. It doesn't ''strictly'' make sense to include "legacy" moves; that's a concern that comes from a pretty specific focus like comp/challenges.
:::Yes, it would be somewhat easier if we had a list of legacy moves. But (to repeat myself) that's not necessarily our focus and you ''can'' figure the information out if you really need to.
:::(And to repeat myself once more, we're not hostile to a legacy move list. I just can't tell you if/when it might happen at the moment.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks, Tiddlywinks.
::::I may be highlighting comp as the use case, and/but I know it's not our focus, I don't do so because I want to promote comp or anything. What I'm basically trying to do is rephrase Sumwun's question of what use case species (or learnset) pages currently try to serve; basically, why are they there, what are they supposed to easily provide an answer to:
::::"What move can <species> ''learn'' in <game/generation>?" may be equally sensible/important, but if the pages were focused (solely/primarily) on that, there would be no need to have an "By events" subsection (to a lesser extent, probably not even "By breeding"), and I think we can all agree that this information is valuable/sensible. What I'm thinking, and what I believe Sumwun thinks, is that a "By transfer from a prior generation" subsection is equally valuable/sensible.
::::Anyway, I know how that's a hassle to create or even design, and I'm not forcing it. But I'd like to stress that Sumwun's suggestion, in my opinion, is far from focusing on some weird, minor edge case, and is providing benefit. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::"Please list Pikachu's moves in USUM". Just go to its page. It's right ''there''. Want to know it's previous moves, go click on ''one'' link. Easy. And I'm answering sumwun's reasoning of "cross checking multiple pages is annoying", since he's the one that stated this conversation. All you're trying to do is justify sumwun's laziness.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:49, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::Right now, I can't just click one link. Depending on how old a Pokemon is, I may need to click 1-6 links, load 1-6 learnset pages, and scan 2-25 sections. I would consider reducing this to 0 clicks and 1 section a big and worthwhile improvement. If this kind of laziness is unjustified, why do we have any learnset pages at all? We might as well be saying, "Want to know whether <Pokemon> can learn <move>? Load ''one'' move article and do ''one'' ctrl f. Easy."
::::::By the way, I would also like to know the answers to Nescientist's 2 questions. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 22:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::That's an exaggeration. If you know what you're looking for, it'll only taking you one-two clicks. You can't be searching for what move a Pokemon can learn previously without a set goal. You're playing Ultra Sun, but you want to know what it can learn in '''Diamond''' version. Diamond is the key word which equates to '''Gen IV'''. So you're already looking for its Gen IV learnset. Go to its page and click on Gen IV. Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::I have moved this discussion to [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Structure#Adding moves available only by transfer from an earlier generation|a more public place]], so others have an easier opportunity to chime in (and so that possibly, ForceFire doesn't receive as much email notifications about messages not directed to them directly).
::::::::ForceFire, the question "What moves can Pikachu know in USUM?" does not include "Diamond", and [[Pikachu (Pokémon)]] does not mention Mega Kick. I have detailed some more about what pages you'd need to traverse where I have continued the discussion I'm interested in.
::::::::Tiddlywinks, I have addressed some of your comments there, and would appreciate to get to know your opinions. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Pikachu cannot '''learn''' Mega Kick in USUM (hence why it's not there at first glance), but it can know it if you transfer it from another game (which is common sense, of course it's going to know Mega Kick if you transfer it, the game isn't going to force it to forget the move).
:::::::::I just gave an example of how it only take one-two clicks to find what you're looking for. And you misinterpreted my example. If you're thinking of a certain game, you're automatically thinking of a certain generation. Go to the page and click on that specific generation.
:::::::::You can convince me to change my mind, but so far, "it's too hard, annoying, and boring to sift through a few pages" is not convincing enough to change my mind.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::I don't understand. Please name the page(s) I need to answer "What moves can Pikachu '''''KNOW''''' in USUM?". [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:31, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}When you say "know" you're saying what it can learn via other means, and that includes transfer. The pages are the previous gen learnset pages, those are the moves Pikachu can know in USUM if you were to transfer it to USUM. Honestly...--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
:And those are six, plus Pikachus page, that's seven. (I even mentioned other difficulties at the other page.) It's not easy, it's hard. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:37, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
::If you have a game in mind, you have a generation in mind. You mentioned Mega Kick, Pikachu can only learn it in Gen I, III, and VI. So you're '''ONLY''' going to click '''one''' of those link, not the other links. Why would you. You already have the generation you need, you don't need to click on the others. If someone is unsure of the generation, they would look through the move article and ctrl+f "Pikachu".
::It's like if I wanted to watch a certain Johto league episode, but I don't know which number it is. I'm not going to watch the entirety of the XY series, I'm going to look through the Johto arc.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
:::You're exactly right there, but you're answering "Can Pikachu know Mega Kick in USUM?", not "What moves can Pikachu know in USUM?". I have no prior knowledge that Mega Kick is a possible solution. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:47, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
::::If you don't have a move in mind, then you have a previous generation in mind (to transfer from). If you have neither in mind, then you're not really looking for "what move can Pikachu know in USUM".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::I'm positive that I have neither in mind, and that I am looking for "what moves can Pikachu know in USUM". [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:22, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::Then you're not transferring then. The only other viable option of wanting to know what moves Pikachu can ''know'' is events, since everything else it learns, and events are already listed.
::::::If you're transferring Pokémon, you already have either a generation or move in mind. You're either thinking "I want to transfer Pikachu from <game>, but am not sure what it can learn in that game", which you then click on the '''appropriate''' generation moveset. Or you're thinking "I know Pikachu can learn <move> in a previous generation, but I don't know what game", which you then go to the move page and ctrl+f PIkachu.
::::::If you're not thinking of neither of those, then you aren't looking to transfer Pokémon.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:46, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not thinking of a specific generation. I want to know the answer to "What moves can Pikachu know in USUM".
:::::::I can post some ''more special'' questions that require the same page traversion, such as "Can Pikachu know a sleep-inducing move?" (i.e., can I get a Pikachu on my copy of USUM with a sleep-inducing move, by whatever means?"), or "What is the most powerful move Magikarp may know in USUM?" (i.e., what's the maximum base power for any move a Magikarp may know in USUM, by whatever means).
:::::::These should be questions you may understand better. Please try to answer them. (If you do, you will find out that you won't find the answers at the species pages alone.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:50, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::If we are expected to be able to go to the move page and ctrl f the Pokemon's name for transfer-only moves, why are we not expected to do that for all moves? Why do we have full lists of level up moves and TM moves for each Pokemon?
::::::::By the way, another example of a question that would become a lot easier is, "What are all the ways I can get a Golem that knows a physical attack that is strong against psychic?" [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 22:20, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}Nescientist... what do you mean by "know"? Because a Pokémon can "know" a move via transfer or events. If you have neither a generation or move in mind, then you are '''''not''''' transferring. You are just blindly going through pages for no reason. If you're question ends so vaguely at "What moves can Pikachu know in USUM", then I don't know what you're looking for because you're not explaining the method. It's either "What can Pikachu know in USUM '''via transfer'''" or "What can Pikachu know in USUM '''via events'''". If you're talking about transfers, then I've already answered that many times.

Wanting to know what "sleep inducing moves" or "highest possible power" is competitive fluff. We are not a strategy guide. Casual gamers aren't going to care about that stuff. A casual gamer is going to want to know what moves their Pokemon can know in the game they have in their hands without outside influence (i.e. transfer or events). They're not going to care about sleep inducing move or highest based power. Not everyone is a competitive player.

Sumwun, don't be difficult. I don't even know what you're talking about. If you have a '''''move''''' in mind, go to the move page and ctrl+f. If you have a '''''game''''' in mind, go to the appropriate learnset page. You are '''''not''''' going to be looking through the learnsets to look for a single move. No one is going to do that. '''''No one''''' is going to blindly look through six learnsets looking for just one move, when they can just go to the move article itself. It's not that hard. I don't think you understand what the different kinds templates are for, and assuming they're all do the same thing.

You're Golem question, like Nescientist's "sleep inducing" question is competitive fluff. Again, we are not a strategy guide. And your question was '''even more vague'''. What is the method you seek? level up? breeding? TM? what? Be more specific in your searches. I like to think users are browsing the site fully aware of what they are looking for, not exact but an idea of what they are looking for. By the sounds of it, you're browsing the site without a single thing in mind. It stops at "What can Golem learn/know" rather than specifying "What can Golem learn/know via this specific method".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
:I already rephrased what it means when I do not specify: it means "by whatever means", which means at all, by level-up or events or transfer or ''anything'' else. Moves a Pokémon may know in USUM. I'm explicitly ''not'' saying "by transfer only" (or anything else), I don't know why you insist I need to say that; because that is not what I'm asking.
:Anyway, you seem to have understood that my specific questions (and Sumwun's) are hard to answer, not easy. (Which is good, because that's why I mentioned them; my original question is ''more general''.)
:I would object to your take that it's only competitive fluff (and I did so [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Structure#Adding moves available only by transfer from an earlier generation|here]]). What do you think casual gamers would be looking for? If you're excluding what you call "competitive fluff", do you think they would need "By breeding"? (If so, why?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:33, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
::If nobody goes through learnset pages for moves, what do people use them for?
::Transfer-only moves are not competitive fluff or strategy guides. They are real Pokemon information that is true even when nobody is competitive battling and is not at all fan-made, but they simply happen to be more useful to competitive battlers. If this kind of information isn't allowed on Bulbapedia, why do we have a page called "World Championships", which is pretty much the definition of competitive battling? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 03:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Nescientist: This discussion is about transfer moves, so I assume you're talking about and looking for transfer moves. If you're looking for "anything at all", then you're not looking for anything specific so the '''bare minimum''' is already on the species article, you do not need to click on anything else. Everything it can know at '''bare minimum''' is ''right there''.
:::I didn't even answer both of your questions. I basically said that they are irrelevant because we are not a strategy guide. We're not going to say "This Pokemon can know this move which is X power" because that is competitive fluff and strategy guide-ish. No casual gamer is going to think that specifically.
:::I just said what casual gamers are looking for "'''things their Pokemon can learn normally within the game they have in their hands, without outside influence like transfers and events'''". This includes, level up moves, TMs, and such. Breeding is game mechanic and should be listed, I don't regard it as competitive fluff.
:::Sumwun: I don't think you understand how these things work. People look through the learnsets to look for moves '''''from a specific game or generation'''''. They are looking for the '''entire moveset''', not just one move. '''The entire moveset'''. If you're looking for one move, go to the move article. Looking for a moveset for a specific game, look through the learnset. It's not that hard to understand.
:::"World Championships" is an article detailing an event. It's not detailing strategies. It's not detailing what moves would be better. It's not detailing which Pokemon would be better. It's just detailing the event. Again, it's like you have no idea what that article is about.
:::It's real information, yes. But it can be seen by going through the moveset pages, because like I said, someone looking to transfer their Pokemon over so they can have a Pokemon with a move they can no longer learn, already have a game or move in mind. They are not blindly looking through pages.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:23, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Just going to put my 2 cents in here (I'm not strongly for nor against):
::::1) Firstly, I think an important question that needs to be answered first is: Does a section on transfer-only moves have any role outside of the competitive field? All the examples raised at the moment have all been competitive play-oriented which I agree shouldn't be Bulbapedia's focus. I can think of one question where a transfer-only moves section ''could'' help with (e.g. "A Corsola I received from a trade has Whirlpool, Sucker Punch, and Secret Power. Is it hacked?" - although it wouldn't be too hard to find this information elsewhere + it is quite a specific question).
::::2) Another point that should be discussed is that some (albeit a small number of) moves may not be obvious to some users whether they can be transferred or not - e.g. inability to transfer most HMs, ability to transfer from VC, ability to transfer certain HMs (e.g. Defog, Whirlpool)
::::3) Lastly, I should note that a transfer-only moves section is likely to be longer than most will think (esp. as most of it is made up of moves which lost their TM status in a new gen) - though the length isn't as important --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 07:01, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::i don't think your example is all that great, because force fire is going to say you would just look up the move pages of each of those individual moves and ctrl f for corsola. an example i could think of which is pretty niche, but possible i think, is "im dead set on having a corsola for my playthrough of ultra sun. i want it to have the best movelist possible; im willing to transfer from prev gens to do so. is there a quick way i can get a list of all those moves without having to go through all the pages?" so imo this new section for moves learned from prev gens isnt useless; theres definitely a benefit. i think the question is, is it worth it.
:::::if you ARE going through the lists of previous gens, you already know what you ARENT looking for: every move learnable from the current gen. although i dont think going through lists for new moves requires THAT much work, i dont think the work is negligible either. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 07:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I completely agree with you (maybe I should have made that more clear). I was just trying to give an example of a question which would be less competitive play-oriented (because the examples already given are not), and I as I said, the information could easily be found elsewhere --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I don't know how I can be any clearer, but the question is "What are moves Pikachu can know in USUM", i.e. by whatever means; it is not, I repeat, NOT something else. The species page alone does not answer it: you need that and ''all'' previous generation learnsets, at minimum. (And that's all I'm saying, basically. I believe you, ForceFire, finally understood that.)
:::::::Wowy, I believe it would only be beneficial if you presented your opinion at [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Structure#Adding moves available only by transfer from an earlier generation|that other talk page]] (maybe even answered my question there). Anyway, I'm just gonna address your points here:
:::::::1. I wouldn't know how any question about moves would not have at least some relevance to competitive play; battles and moves are a central concept of the Pokémon franchise, and anyone who plays Pokémon should have some interest in competitive play. It's a different thing to talk about serious competitive battlers (like, those who maintain tier lists and whatnot), though; and I think they wouldn't really care what the answer to my two questions are (but I could be mistaken, because again, I'm not a competitive player myself). The Swinub I mentioned at that other page was purely non-competitive in that sense, too; I used it for a playthrough. As an aside, I guess the section I propose wouldn't necessarily answer your type of "legal" question; for example, a section would include both {{m|Pay Day}} and {{m|Mimic}} for Pikachu, but a Pikachu that knows both moves simultaneously would still be illegal (I think that's similar to how the current "By breeding" section cannot answer whether two Egg Moves at the same time are legal.)
:::::::2. I already said that at that other page when I explained that it is even harder to find out than I initially thought. (A "By transfer" section will ''not'' necessarily include all moves a Pokémon may have known at some earlier game (Pikachu ''can'' know {{m|Petal Dance}}, for example, but ''not'' in USUM by any means such as transfer); therefore, I also don't think Tiddlywinks' choice of the word "legacy moves" was exact for my proposal.)
:::::::3. I'm not sure it will be that long, but as you said, it shouldn't really matter.
:::::::Sumwun: I ''do'' understand what you're saying (and I agree), but you seem to derail the discussion with some of your more provocative questions (ForceFire never said Bulbapedia shouldn't cover anything that has anything to do with competitive play, for example). I hope that's not your intention, let's try to keep it simple. :)
:::::::ForceFire, moves listed under "By breeding" are not covered by the text you bolded (and by the way, in my opinion, those are about as much "competitive fluff" as "By transfer" is), "By events" even less. I think you didn't answer whether you think casual gamers would need "By breeding"!? (Or did you? I'm still - seriously - trying to get to the bottom of what you think move sections should cover and why.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:57, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::You didn't even read what I wrote, because I already answered that in my previous response. And I know it's an outright lie when you say you don't have a game or generation in mind, because the question is "What can Pikachu know in '''USUM'''". You've singled out '''USUM'''. That is that game you have in mind. And since you're not looking for anything specific, just the bare minimum (level up, TMS) and that's already on the article. All moves that Pikachu can know through '''normal gameplay (i.e. not anything specific, by any means)''' in '''USUM''' are already on the Pikachu page. The species page already has the most current (i.e. '''USUM''' or '''Gen VII''') moveset. Why are you even looking through the previous generation movesets if you're only looking for moves it can know in'''USUM'''? It's already on the species page, you don't need to click on anything else.
::::::::Breeding is a game mechanic. It's as important as TMs and level up moves. The move sections should cover all moves a Pokémon can learn '''through normal gameplay''' in the most '''recent game or generation'''. Transferring isn't '''learning through normal gameplay". Sure, neither are events, but I can look past that because those are generally one time things and should be noted.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Nescientist didn't ask for moves that could be known "through normal gameplay". He/she/it asked for moves that could be known "by whatever means", which includes transfer as well as normal gameplay. Is this not a valid question to ask? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Sigh.. Going through it step by step:
::::::::::# I did read your (whole) message.
::::::::::# I did not lie.
::::::::::# I am not looking for a bare minimum. (My question was on "moves Pikachu can know in USUM [by whatever means]".)
::::::::::# What Sumwun said (and everyone, including Sumwun, should be able to see how it is a ''valid'' question to ask).
::::::::::# I am looking through previous movesets because not all moves Pikachu can know in USUM are at [[Pikachu (Pokémon)]]; Mega Kick, for example, isn't. (We've been there before, I mentioned that way up above, even rephrased it repeatedly.)
::::::::::# Yes, I do need to click on something else to check, i.e. all previous movesets (at minimum).
::::::::::# Transfer is a game mechanic.
::::::::::# In my opinion, breeding is not quite as important as TMs and level-up moves, if only because I cannot—by no means—teach (an individual) Pokémon I already own its species' Egg Moves. (It's still important, though.)
::::::::::# Finally, a "definition" of what you think move sections should cover: moves Pokémon may ''learn'' through normal gameplay within the generation, plus event moves. I'll just mention that they do already cover more than that, for example how {{p|Cubchoo}} may learn Avalanche in USUM.
::::::::::Beyond that, of course, I can't be of any help to you when you claim that I didn't read your message and outright lied. And, up to this point, I was trying hard. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the problem with the "outright lie" is that transferring a Pokemon requires 2 games. Nescientist knew that the END game would be US or UM. When Nescientist said he didn't have a game "in mind", he/she/it was referring to the START game, and his/her/its willingness to transfer a Pokemon FROM any game TO US or UM. Nescientist, is this right? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:52, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yes, in your words/example, the end game would be USUM, but the start game could be anything (including USUM itself, i.e. no transfer at all). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:42, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Should we bring this discussion to another administrator's talk page? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:22, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

== Need your help ==

Hi there! Can you please help me with [[User talk:Mikuri#Who's stalking whose edits?|this discussion]]? I am tired of explaining to them that their obsession with having the current revision of a page is more of a hindrance than a help. Aside from the examples I offered in my talk page, you can check GrammarFreak01's latest edits to [[Marian]]'s page. That sentence they edited was perfectly fine as it was, but they changed it for no reason other than being the last person to have edited the page.

In doing so, they added misleading information because they clearly have no knowledge on the matter, first by saying that Jessie was disguised as Jessedia "at the time", creating a false impression that she disguised as Jessedia on one occasion when in fact this is a recurring disguise Jessie has changed into at least three times, and then by saying she was "briefly disguised". Assuming you don't know, Jessie has appeared as Jessedia for the duration of the entire Kanto Grand Festival and the Wallace Cup's Battle Stage, as well as in DP093 when she was interviewing Fantina.

This is not what one would call "briefly". This is not a one-time disguise that is blown off by Ash and his friends at the end of the episode. It's a recurring thing, and GrammarFreak01 is apparently unaware of that and changing a sentence that was completely okay with their nonsense just to accomplish their "goal". It's getting tired and I'm asking for help because these are instances in which I got involved, but who knows the amount of wrong information they have added to the tons of pages they edit daily.

It's frankly discouraging to edit a page only to have its content vandalized (inserting gibberish into pages counts as vandalism, right?) by someone who has no idea what they're doing and are just trying to get the most recent revision of a page. Also, judging by their latest edit to my talk page, they expect me to be some sort of wizard who can see into the future and tell them that their edit is wrong ''before'' they even make it. I don't know how to respond to that and I'm not the only user who has complained about GrammarFreak01's bad editing habits. Something needs to be done about this situation and that's why I'm asking you to intervene. Please help. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 15:12, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

:I am well aware of how long Jessie has been disguised as Jessedia and what she used that disguise for. [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Marian&type=revision&diff=2860143&oldid=2860142 The original sentence] in question just did not make sense to me from a grammatical standpoint. Also, for someone who constantly complains about me having a need to "have the current revision of a page", Mikuri has a nasty habit of editing articles hours and even minutes right after me, leading me to assume she is maliciously following me using my edit history. Examples of this are:

:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Melody_(M02)&action=history Melody (M02)]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Maren&action=history Maren]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Carol&action=history Carol]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Tobias_(M02)&action=history Tobias (M02)]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Molly_Hale&action=history Molly Hale]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Liza_(Johto)&action=history Liza (Johto)]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Oakley&action=history Oakley]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Annie_(M05)&action=history Annie (M05)]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ross&action=history Ross]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Butler&action=history Butler]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Rafe&action=history Rafe]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Jack_Walker&action=history Jack Walker]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Lugia_(M02)&action=history Lugia (M02)]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Entei_(M03)&action=history Entei (M03)]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Celebi_(M04)&action=history Celebi (M04)]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Suicune_(M04)&action=history Suicune (M04)]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Lucario_(M08)&action=history Lucario (M08)]

:If you've noticed in the edit histories I provided, much of the articles hadn't been edited in months prior to my original edits. Then, when I make an edit, Mikuri follows after, which I find to be a complete contradiction to their complaints about my editing practices. This was also a problem back in June, when I first [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMikuri&type=revision&diff=2809252&oldid=2808516 confronted Mikuri about it]. The articles in question were:

:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Lillie_(anime)&offset=20180628163311&action=history Lillie (anime)]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Brock%27s_Vulpix&action=history Brock's Vulpix]
:*[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Matori&offset=20180818063550&action=history Matori]

:At one point in our argument, I said [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMikuri&type=revision&diff=2859786&oldid=2859767 this]. I admit that it was poorly worded due to my blinding irritation of the situation (and that I probably should've changed it once I calmed down). But what I was hoping to convey was that if Mikuri had a problem with me trying to hog the latest revision of a page, they should've tried to take it to the talk page sooner, just like what was usually done with me whenever there was a problem.

:Clearly, this is a problem that has been going on for months now and I would appreciate your mediation. I don't particularly care about any outcome anymore, so fire away. I only ask that this contradiction on Mikuri's part be addressed in some way. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:34, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

::I started "maliciously following" GrammarFreak01's edit history '''after''' I noticed they were stalking my edits. Usually after I finished doing a major edit to a page, they would appear to unnecessarily tweak image sizes (something Tiddlywinks has warned them about) or make another one of their pointless edits. I accused them of doing that in some of my edit summaries and they decided to [[User talk:Mikuri#You're being paranoid|come to my talk page]] and call me paranoid. I could provide a laundry list of that, but I don't feel like it's needed. For one, GrammarFreak01's talk page is chock-full of messages telling them to stop with the pointless edits (and some of them were left there by you, Force Fire). In addition, I am not the only user who has complained about their edit stalking habits, as there is a [[User talk:GrammarFreak01#Edit Stalking|message left by PardescanSlowbro]] detailing the exact same behavior.
::In their defense, all GrammarFreak01 had to say is that they receive email notifications after someone edits a page they have edited in the past. So what? This is no excuse to go around and make needless edits only to have the current revision of a page. And that is the main point of this discussion: GrammarFreak01's history of wholly unnecessary edits that add nothing to our pages. Correction: sometimes their edits make the page worse, as they add wrong information about a subject they know nothing about only to have the most recent revision, as was the case with [[Yuzo]]'s page. Their concern isn't quality content and accurate information, but rather an enormous amount of unverified nonsense. I honestly don't care if my revision isn't the current one and I don't have this kind of problem with any other user in this entire wiki, '''unlike GrammarFreak01'''. Several users have contributed to pages I had worked on, and you don't see me complaining about them. But GrammarFreak01 is not here to contribute, they're here to make unnecessary edits.
::So yes, I can admit that I have edited several pages upon seeing one of GrammarFreak01's edits, but I guess this comes as no surprise considering the recent changes are there for everyone to see, and again, this was '''after''' I noticed they were stalking my edits and making unnecessary changes to them. And there's one notable difference: it was never to add information that was untrue about a subject I know nothing about. My point isn't that they are editing after me, but that those edits are needless. Editing a page after another user isn't a blockable offense, but inserting gibberish into pages is, as is edit flood and edit wars, behaviors also exhibited by GrammarFreak01. And I think it is worth comparing our contributions: I usually do a complete overhaul by adding verified information I gathered and uploading high quality images to the Archives, while GrammarFreak01 has a long and documented history of making pointless edits that add no real content to Bulbapedia and edit warring. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 00:34, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
:::If you read the entire discussion, you will see that [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGrammarFreak01&type=revision&diff=2825193&oldid=2825153 I explained myself and asked PardescanSlowbro for examples] where my edits were unnecessary and clearly malicious. I was happy to address those concerns. But they did not get back to me on that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:25, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

== False positive abuse filter triggers ==

Hello, recently I tried to move a message I misplaced on a user's talk page (see log [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=Ozank&wpSearchTitle=&wpSearchWiki= here]) to the bottom where it should have been, but the abuse filter didn't let me. If you want to look into this, feel free. [[User:Ozank|Ozank]] ([[User talk:Ozank|talk]]) 16:43, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

:He already [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:GrammarFreak01#Re:_Heads_up responded to that]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 17:39, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
::Yeah, I've already answered this on GrammarFreak's talk page. I think the system may have deemed moving sections (to the proper place) a drastic edit for a new user. Other than that, you should be fine once you've become a member for a period of time.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

== Mimikyu's name ==

Hi there,
Since you're the one who placed the warning in Mimikyu's "Name Origin", would you mind giving it a look [[Talk:Mimikyu (Pokémon)#Mimic_.2B_Q_2|here]]? Seeing that talking about it in the talk page was the recommendation, I'd like to discuss about it a little. Thanks. [[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 01:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

== Mewtwo's voice actor ==

I just watched [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lrTmDZavVVc a video] where it was revealed that the English voice actor of the {{OBP|Mewtwo|original series|original series Mewtwo}} was actually ''not'' Philip Bartlett. That was a stage name, and the Philip Bartlett who died years ago was a completely different person, with the ''real'' English voice actor behind Mewtwo ''and'' the Philip Bartlett stage name being a man named Jay Goede. I feel like this is worth checking into. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dr._Fuji_(anime)&diff=2200677&oldid=2192996 Judging by this] and [[Talk:M01#Dr. Fuji's voice|this]], it's been acknowledged back in 2014.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:38, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::Ah. Okay. Sorry. Shouldn't there then be something like a tooltip on Mewtwo's page to indicate that "Philip Bartlett" is just a stage name? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:58, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Don't think it's too much of an issue to do so.

== Troublesome user ==

Heads up. Clearly [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cheekybutthole this user] is [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Probopass_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=2868297 not here to contribute]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:26, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

:Never mind, {{U|Abcboy}} took care of it. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:41, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

== links ==

is it all right to repeat links from an above section in a lower one. and u know that internal error that was mentioned above? im still getting it. also i couldnt help noticing ur ignoring a poor man's cry for help up above. not a very nice thing to do, wouldnt u say? :) --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 14:16, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
:If something has already been linked in a section, it does not need to be linked again. It's fine to have one link per section, '''only if said link isn't directly below the previous section'''. Once every few sections is fine, but not literally the next section below it.
:The internal error issue is being looked into. There has been no updates yet on its progress.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:41, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
::so lets say a link keyword is in every section. you'd want it to be linked in every other section? 1st, 3rd, 5th, etc. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 06:10, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
:::Use common sense. Also, you don't have to link every time the word "Pokémon species", "Pokémon trainer", or whatever appears.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:21, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

==Voice Actors==
Sent you an email with a list of voice actors from Lisa Ortiz, do I have your approval?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
:Those are fine to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:45, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

== Statistic ==

Why did you undo my edit to statistic? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:56, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
:You're change wasn't necessary. It was basically saying the same thing.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:44, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
::I changed "take effect" to "start affecting turn order", which does not mean the same thing. Speed has other effects, such as determining the base power of gyro ball and electro ball, and those other effects immediately respond to changes to speed. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:52, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
:::The full sentence is " will not take effect until the following turn". What you changed it to is still saying that it wont take effect until the next turn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
::::What it currently says is false because it implies that changes to speed do not start affecting the power of gyro ball and electro ball until the next turn. What I changed it to is true because it does not imply that. How can they say the same thing if one is false and the other is true? Would it be better if it said, "An in-battle change to a Pokémon's Speed stat will not start affecting turn order until the following turn, but otherwise takes effect immediately"? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:49, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::If I might butt in here, if what Sumwun is saying is true (I've not seen any information whether it is or not), then there 'is' a difference between the two, and I think Sumwun's edit should be reinstated. Speed has effect on more things than just turn order, and some might react to changes sooner than others. --[[User:Felthry|Felthry]] ([[User talk:Felthry|talk]]) 18:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::Why would you assume the sentence is talking about Gyro Ball or Electro Ball? It clearly isn't. It's talking about when a Pokémon's speed gets changed due to a stat change, it won't take affect until the following turn. Gyro Ball and Electro Ball are not moves that affect the user's speed, but rely on it, it's not going to get affected by a stat changing move.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Before commenting on the first 2 sentences of that comment, I just wanted to tell you that the last 2 sentences [https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7anythinggoes-834770797 are false]. I will admit that Showdown! is the most reliable battle simulator available to me, and I'm sorry if that's not reliable enough. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 06:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::"Simulator", hence why it isn't reliable. You can change things with a simulator.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::The replay was done in "Anything Goes", a standard format that does not change any battle mechanics. Do you still not trust it? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::If not a Showdown! replay, what can convince you that changes in speed can take effect immediately? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::Gyro Ball and Electro Ball both depend on the user's speed, right? So why would you expect that changes to the user's speed wouldn't affect those moves? Regardless of whether it "clearly isn't" talking about them as you personally see it, it's better to be precise than to rely on implicit statements. --[[User:Felthry|Felthry]] ([[User talk:Felthry|talk]]) 23:38, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

== New Devolution ==
Hello Force Fire, I am a foreigner and reader on the Bulbapedia site. I only created an account in order to discuss a possible Pokémon capable of performing a Devolution, I mean Silvally (Type: Full).

Since originally this was his original form, however, he involuted to Type: Null after Faba added a helmet to his face, slowing him down. He will only be Silvally again when he destroys the helmet, that is, if it is valid I would like some moderator on the site to add this Pokémon to the article [[Devolution]]. [[User:NanayaShiki07|NanayaShiki07]] ([[User talk:NanayaShiki07|talk]]) 20:07, 10 November 2018 (~)
:Games=/=anime. I personally don't think it counts as anything. I also don't really care, mainly because the whole story behind Silvally and Type: Null, and how the latter is just the former with a helmet. It just unnecessarily makes things confusing and messes the whole concept of evolution in the franchise. So I don't have any strong opinions about this.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

== N as a rival ==

Don't put a message that says "Please do not add N, as he is not a rival" on the page, If you have an argument against it then put it in the talk page! [[User:Nightfall217|Nightfall217]] ([[User talk:Nightfall217|talk]]) 23:48, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
:As an administrator I ''can'' place a hidden message telling users what not to do until a consensus has been made.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

== Leaf Discussion Page ==
I noticed you left a note on my userpage telling me not to delete other people's comments. I want to assure you that I have not done so, and in fact had my comments removed twice by other people when they re-formatted the page. --[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 07:16, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

== Spaceworld Mainspace ==

Hello, I was wondering if we could start slowly mainspacing some Pokémon Gold and Silver beta information, as the leaked Spaceworld ROM has been around for nearly a half a year now. A lot of the interest for adding this information onto the site has slowed down, and I thought that perhaps if only a little bit of information was added, like, for example, [[User:Celadonkey/Spaceworld/Dex|a list of Pokémon]], [[User:Celadonkey/Spaceworld#Chikorita_.28Pok.C3.A9mon.29.2FBeta|one or two Pokémon articles]], or [[User:Frozen Fennec/Pokémon Gold and Silver Spaceworld Demo|some information on the gameplay]], then maybe it would spur interest and additions to the wiki. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 16:39, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:Spaceworld stuff shouldn't be the priority right now, clearly. The staff still hasn't decided on how to handle this. Please don't think you can just move them without permission.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:57, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
::I wasn't going to move it without permission, that's why I asked you. And alright. Please let me know when staff has reached a decision because this is something I am very interested in helping out with --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 17:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

== I want to turn a redirect into an article for something else, but I don't have the writing skills. ==

I asked Chosen 5 days ago, but he never responded. I asked Glik earlier today, but unfortunately he doesn't play the game and couldn't help.

Anyway, there's a substance called R in the game Detective Pikachu, and it's a big part of the game's story. When I went to search its article, it redirects me to the Trainer Tower instead. I am definitely not able to write the article myself (I sucked at Language Arts), but I also don't want to leave the page as this redirect. What can I do? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:Write a stub or incomplete article? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
::You already created a userpage it seems. You can invite others to help flesh out the article. Sadly, I've never played Detective Pikachu, so I wouldn't know much.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:58, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:::Well I did ask Abcboy, as he added the plot into the game's article. Hopefully he responds. *checks edit history* Maybe I'll ask GrammarFreak01 too. Thanks for the advice. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:29, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

== [[Sea Cottage]] and [[Trophy Garden]] ==

Hi there. You recently removed information relating to the Bill's Secret Garden rumour without engaging in discussion first, as I had explicitly requested on the talk pages for those articles. I have provided four different articles regarding Bill's Secret Garden and it's mentioned on numerous fansites, so I'm not sure what further evidence you require. It's an extremely notorious rumour. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 13:43, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:I was in the midst of responding on those talk pages whilst you wrote this.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:: Commenting 20 minutes ''after'' the removals isn't exactly a discussion. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 13:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Now that you have hopefully had some time to cool off, can I get you to re-appraise your behaviour? Condescending comments like "learn some patience" and referring to seeking a second opinion as "spamming" staff members do not convey respect to others, and I would appreciate it if you would apologise for these comments. Additionally, I would appreciate if you would acknowledge wrong-doing in burying the list of discussion materials I provided to show the scope of the Secret Garden rumour. Whilst you claim that you were trying to figure out how to add a collapsible section, I am genuinely unsure how I would be expected to intent for something you would not do for another hour. I'd like to encourage you to be more transparent: throughout our interactions yesterday you have seemed to think that I should know what you are doing when you provided no explanation for your actions.

I'd also like you to acknowledge that jumped the gun in issuing a warning, since you started reverting pages without offering discussion, and I have been actively trying to discuss the issues raised and establish consensus with other users. (For the record, your lone opinion isn't a consensus.) Please consider the effect that such actions will have upon others; if you disregard the views of regular users, that will have a chilling effect upon editing activity. Nobody wants to have their edits reverted immediately and then be insulted by admins, and treating people that way puts them off editing.

For the record, this isn't the first time you've been insulting towards me: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Force_Fire/Archive_3#Reversion_of_my_edit] That was a long time ago, but it's kind of telling that you didn't actually apologise. Perhaps we can try a different resolution this time, where you apologise for your behaviour? --[[user:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] 11:34, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
: I actually just looked through the edit chain associated with that post, and it's interesting how similar your behaviour is to that of 8 years ago: edit warring whilst insisting your opinion is correct without engaging with others who are telling you that you're wrong. It would probably be a good idea to learn to be more open to the views of others, and apologise more readily when you step on people's toes. Without resolution, bruised feelings fester into resentment, which can result in long-standing feuds. It's so much easier to just apologise and let things drop. --[[user:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] 11:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
::Wanting a second opinion is fine, but going to three different staff member's talk page is too much. It comes off as you being impatient and needy. A staff member will take notice of the Sea Cottage talk page at some point and weigh in. You don't need to go to every (not literally) staff member's talk page.
::I "buried" it because the talk page was going to be too long, if anyone wants to see the source, they can expand it. Readability should be taken into account here. Having to go through a wall of links just to get to the newest comment is rather inconvenient. As for me taking an "hour" to add the expandable code, I didn't remember it. The expandable tag isn't something I've toyed around with much, the last time I did anything with it was probably with my userpage infobox.
::You also do not know how I edit the wiki. I don't just have one tab open, I have multiple tabs open, and they are usually reversions I pick out from the recent changes. I check those reversion and then go back to whatever it is that needs attention. Hence why it took 20 minutes to respond to the Sea Cottage talk page or one hour to figure out how to make the list expandable.
::As I mentioned on your talk page, you did edit war. You added back information that was reverted. I admit I got the timeline wrong since your edit war with Finnish was on the Trophy Garden page and your edit war with me was on the Sea Cottage page, but it still doesn't change the fact that you chose to revert both of us rather than go to our talk pages. And I was editing the Sea Cottage talk page when you reverted my edit, which by the way I had on a different tab and refreshed after a few minutes just in case you added it back again which you did taking more time. And I usually do that when I undo a reversion, because there have been many times in the past where a user just adds back information that was removed.
::Now, I'm not saying that you should know how I operate, because I don't usually go around revealing how I edit the wiki, but understand that just because I take a while to respond doesn't mean I'm ignoring you or stalling. I multitask. And that takes while, especially when I want to get through the thing that don't take a long time to do (i.e. check reversions) out of the way first.
::As for the past. The past is the past. It's history. Don't cling too much on that. And looking back, yes I was wrong, but I already said my reasons why I made the edit. Sure, I didn't apologize properly, but that's already 8 years too late. Things should just be let go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:09, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

== TM and Movesets Table for Let's Go ==

Hiya. Could you help update [[Template:TMtable]] to accommodate for the multiple Gen 7 TMs and [[Template:Learnlist/levelVII]] for LGPE movesets? Thanks! [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 11:01, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
:Late reply. I could tweak the TMtable, if I'm able to. As for the learnlist, staff are currently discussing ways to deal with it (whether to make a spearate table specifically for Lets Go since only Gen I Pokemon would need it, or merge it with SMUSUM).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:11, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
::I think Let's Go is special case and should be split. While consistency is "sacrificed", Let's Go is really different from the other main series games, and the TM table being completely different alone make merging them really confusing. I think this game is an exception we could make - it's best we add the info in as soon as possible first. Revision is still possible of course. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 23:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
:::Update: The learnset table is it to be separated, Spriteit is planning on doing the learnsets from tomorrow (his time), so discuss with him if you plan on adding learnsets. As for the TMtable, a overhaul of the TM pages to be like the item pages has been brought up (and someone has a mock up on their userpage), so it (the template) will have to be put on hold for now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
:::[[User:Chosen/Sandbox/TM01|Proposed TM01 userpage by Chosen]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

==Marc Thompson M21==
Sent you an email containing a screenshot of Marc Thompson's email reply to who he voices in [[M21]] for your approval.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:59, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
:That's fine by me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

== Berry Template update ==

With revising the TM template and the introduction of new berry varieties, I think its time the Berry pages and templates could use some updating. Here are some things I think we can have changed/included:
* Adding buy and sell value for berries
* Removing descriptions/flavor text from infobox (to make it less cluttered) and placing it in the page ala Items (so we don't have to keep using the sup/ template)
* Revising the locations box to incorporate the gameabbrev template for less words ala Items
* A new Varieties section so we can place stuff like Golden Razz and Nanab there, with subsequent GO and Let's Go info

On an unrelated note, I've created new split Fossil pages on my userspace that I think would make the info more consistent with the current direction of templates and thus easier to read. I hope you check 'em out as well. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 21:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:I also agree that the Berry template needs work, and I think that there are some userpages floating around with updated versions of the template. However, rather than a completely new template, I think the format used on the updated item pages (such as [[Potion]]) would be much simpler/better (since Berries are items as well). With this, the Effect and Bag/tag descriptions can be moved out from the infobox, making it less cluttered, but keeping the rest there instead. I also prefer the Locations template used on the general item pages, over the Berry locations template. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 23:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
::[[User:SnorlaxMonster/ItemInfobox/Razz Berry|SnorlaxMonster has suggested an overhaul of the berry articles]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:35, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
:::That looks great! Is there anything that needs to be done that's preventing this from pushing through? [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 05:06, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

==Viren English VA==
Sent you a screenshot of an email from Lisa Ortiz for your approval regarding Viren's English voice--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 22:29, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:That's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:23, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

==Wakana Kingyo==
Was wondering if [[User:BigDocFan/Wakana Kingyo]] warrants being mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
:She fits the first criteria, so it's fine to be mainspaced.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:41, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

==An Apology==
I just noticed that you protected the TMtable Template. I had noticed that the TMs for Pikachu & Eevee weren't listed yet and I just wanted to make sure that the information for the games were listed on the TM pages. I just want apologize if I shouldn't have edited the template. [[User:Sinjoh|Sinjoh]] ([[User talk:Sinjoh|talk]]) 22:11, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

==Harrychips8==
I wish to report Harrychips8 for making pointless edits to pages that involve events that didn't happen.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 22:12, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

== Something I discovered in Wikipedia regarding documentation best practices for protected templates ==

Hello Mr. Admin,

I was reading {{wp|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Protection of templates}} and found out they have some sort of hybrid practice merging template protection with unprotected documentation. Wikipedia uses a meta-template called [[wp:Wikipedia:Template documentation|<nowiki>{{documentation}}</nowiki>]] that allows a template to have documentation transcluded from a "/doc" subpage, rather than written in the template page itself. This would allow a template to be fully protected (so that only admins can edit it during server maintenance) while still having an unprotected documentation subpage that almost anyone can edit as needed (without having to edit the template page itself).

I do not know if Bulbapedia has the <nowiki>{{documentation}}</nowiki> meta-template programmed in its software, but if it had, it would be a great improvement over the current situation where:
* sometimes one cannot supply documentation to a template page because it is protected ''(for obvious reasons)''
* one supplies documentation to an unprotected template but also inadvertently edits the template itself (by editing outside the designated <noinclude> area), potentially resulting in server stress if the template happens to be a very popular one among users ''(yes, I know, I had done that twice until you scolded me in my talk page, sorry about that)''

Incorporating <nowiki>{{documentation}}</nowiki> into Bulbapedia could allow high-traffic templates to remain protected while allowing autoconfirmed users like me to freely provide usage documentation to them by creating or editing the appropriate, unprotected "/doc" subpages and letting <nowiki>{{documentation}}</nowiki> automatically transclude the guides into the protected template pages. This is Wikipedia’s current best practice, and it should be Bulbapedia’s best practice too. BTW, [[WikiDex]], the Spanish arm of [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]], has a similarly-named meta-template, [[:es:Plantilla:Uso de plantilla|<nowiki>{{uso de plantilla}}</nowiki>]], that does basically the same thing.

This could be done next time Bulbapedia needs to undergo server maintenance or software update (or any other reason that would temporarily require the server to go offline, hopefully not because of a reckless editor).

Thankee!

[[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
:Anyone can freely make a documentation on the talk page if they wanted to, no need for a separate thing. We do have separate documentation pages for the bigger templates, they're mostly on project pages or the manual of style. For smaller ones like user tags, having it on the tag page itself or its talk page is fine. Though I wouldn't mind an article that documents usertag usage, might create it in my userspace at some point.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

==Bewear Rescues==
Although I created this page for fun, I was wondering if [[User:BigDocFan/Bewear Rescues]] might become a mainspace article similar to Clemont's inventions?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:05, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
:I thinks that's fine for an article, since we do have similar pages. Do ask for second opinions, though.

== Sk8erPrince's edit warring ==

Hello, it seems Sk8erPrince doesn't quite want to heed your message and once again reverted a user who had reverted him in [[BW116|this article]], also causing Singaporean to engage. They're also both using the summary as a means to communicate about matters not concerning content of article itself. I don't know whether or not this warrants an admin's action, but just wanted to notify you in case it does. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 12:26, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
:If they continue or edit war on another article, then I'll give them a word. They seem to have stopped now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

== If underleveled trivia is not notable... ==

...then why is it about Lance's Dragonite ? Why do I see trivias about his Dragonite being underleveled under Lv.55 ? -- [[User talk:Braviapert|Bravi]][[Special:Contributions/Braviapert|apert]] 12:14, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
:If you see similar trivia, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:46, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
::Why remove it ? It has been there since I don't know how long, and it just has to be removed now ? -- [[User talk:Braviapert|Bravi]][[Special:Contributions/Braviapert|apert]] 13:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Because it's not notable. That trivia may have been overlooked or added back before trivia notability became so strict.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:39, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

==Mainspace==
Was wondering if you could comment on [[User:BigDocFan/Pikipek Line (anime)]] looks in regards to it being mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
:I've also been working on several anime related pages, hoping that they could be mainspaced. All the links are on my user page. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
::I think the "Pikipek line" article should be renamed something else, feels a little clumsy of a title and Rowlet isn't a Pikipek. Pardescan, I'll look through your userpages at some point, there's quite a bit to look through.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:10, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Any suggestions on a better name? Rowlet's Foster Family perhaps?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:18, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
::::Thank you ForceFire. As for you BigDocFan, perhaps the page could be called "Toucannon's flock {anime}" because Toucannon is the leader.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 23:16, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the suggestion PardescanSlowbro, certainly sounds better than my own two suggestions--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}After looking through the articles, this is what I think is and isn't notable (note, this '''DOES NOT''' mean that you can move the notable ones into the mainspace. Repeat, '''DOES NOT''' mean you can move the notable ones into the mainspace).
:Notable:
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Deoxys (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Malamar (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Light trio (anime)]]
:Not notable:
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Loudred (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Lugia (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Spoink (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Suicune (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Weather trio (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Wynaut (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Groudon (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Hippopotas (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Kyogre (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
Again, does '''NOT''' mean you can move the notable ones into the mainspace, please wait until you get the all clear. Regarding ultra Beasts, a collective "Ultra Beasts (anime)" has been suggested, if you want to start on that in your userspace, feel free.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the update, and duly noted, I'll wait for an administrator to move the selected pages into the mainspace. For those marked not notable, I'm guessing it is their infrequent appearances and minimal impact on an episodes plot? I can at least use the information to update the [[Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime]] page. I'd be more than happy to start working on an "Ultra Beasts (anime)" page on my userspace. Thank you again. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 07:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
::::I noticed BigDocFan already started on an Ultra Beasts (anime) page a while back, which can be found [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:BigDocFan/Ultra_Beasts_(anime) here]. It currently only contains Nihilego, but it might be handier to just work from one page. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 15:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::Its currently a work in progress page that I'm hoping other members will be kind to help, already mentioned it to PardescanSlowbro--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}The ones I've marked as unnotable is because they didn't do much and their articles are very, very short. If everything they've done can be summed up in one paragraph, then they're not notable. Quality over quantity.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
:Okay. I've since added the information from the pages marked as not notable, except for the Weather trio anime page, on to the [[recurring wild Pokémon in the anime]] page. As for the Lugia (anime) page, given that it also appeared in the manga, like {{jo|Silver}}, would that change its status to notable? And because the Weather trio (anime) page is actually about three characters, would that warrant it having its own page?[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 03:32, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

== Who's That Pokémon Narration ==

The episode focuses on Ash, Sophocles, and Lillie. Therefore they should be narrating the Who's That Pokémon segment in shrunken voices. From, Sean 01:29, 18 December 2018 (UTC) {{unsigned|PokéSean}}
:Who knows. But it's definitely not an error.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:47, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I have a theory that the person who is the main focus gets to narrate WTPKN since the SM series. Kiawe, Lana, and Mallow did find the others so they are the main focus. Maybe Ash, Lillie, and Sophocles did narrate in shrunken voices but it was hard to hear. SM078 probably just focus on the [[Ultra Guardians]]. From, Sean 01:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC) {{unsigned|PokéSean}}
:That's speculation. It's simply not an error.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:40, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

== Vandals ==

Hey! I just wanted to alert you to the presence of two vandals: {{user|Redrockboy}} and {{user|Fireball52}}. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:31, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
:The latter has been dealt with. The former I'll leave alone, since they haven't made any other edits.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:47, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

== Templates for superscripted † and ‡ ==

I recently created templates for superscripted daggers † and ‡: [[Template:†]], [[Template:††]], and [[Template:‡]]. Since these two characters are almost always used in Bulbapedia in superscript form <nowiki>† †† ‡</nowiki> (and each instance takes 14 to 17 bytes in UTF-8), there is enough rationale for creating the templates, whose transclusions <nowiki>{{†}} {{††}} {{‡}}</nowiki> take up only 7 to 10 bytes each. Replacing every instance of <nowiki>† †† ‡</nowiki> with <nowiki>{{†}} {{††}} {{‡}}</nowiki> in the articles would result in shorter coding (desirable since shorter coding results in fewer bytes being eaten up from the server’s hard disks) and speedier page loading.

The only question remaining would be how to categorize such templates before applying the protection tag to them (given that they will be heavily used, and given that they don’t need any documentation since they take no arguments, template protection is heavily warranted). [[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:07, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

And I see you deleted them. Why? Didn’t you get the benefits of typing less code through templates? Isn’t that the purpose of templates? Rather than typing <nowiki>† †† ‡</nowiki> in the code which wastes a lot of bytes, I would prefer typing <nowiki>{{†}} {{††}} {{‡}}</nowiki> for the same purpose (saving a lot of bytes). [[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
:As I said on your talk page, there's no need for those as they're already on the character palette below the edit box. Also, the amount of bytes it takes up is miniscule compared to other bigger templates, it's not that big of a deal.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:13, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
::FYI, I don’t use the character palette, I just type their Alt+ codes instead (much easier for me and other keyboard-shortcut-savvy users, and no, I don’t plan to create a usertag for keyboard-savvy users, I would rather spend my energies on other more useful things). [[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

== How do I let other users edit a subpage in my userspace? ==

I had recently started drafting an article page, [[User:SilSinn9801/List of common phrases from fortune-teller tents (Festival Plaza) in other languages]], in my userspace. Even though it resides in my userspace, I want to let other users make improvements to it (it does indeed need improvements, like changing colors and splitting the whole table into seven tables according to the fortune-teller tents providing such common phrases).

How do I let other users edit this subpage, until I deem it worthy of being moved into the mainspace? --[[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn]] (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:52, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
:You can simply let other users know about it on their talk pages, and they will edit them if they want to. Regarding the last bit you said, that's not your call to make. A staff member will deem it notable and worthy to move to the mainspace.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:40, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

==More Mainspace==
Was wondering if you could confirm if [[User:BigDocFan/Ben Phillips]] and [[User:Super10ZX/Rosie Reyes]] were notable enough and ready to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:45, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

== Another vandal ==

We've got another vandal on our hands: {{user|GusMccarter3}}. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:15, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

== yo ==

should safari balls be listed under the items section. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 21:55, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

User talk:FinnishPokéFan92/Archive 2

2018-12-25T19:27:57Z

EternalDragonX: /* lmao */

User talk:FinnishPokéFan92/Archive 2

2018-12-25T18:36:10Z

EternalDragonX: /* lmao */

User talk:FinnishPokéFan92/Archive 2

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EternalDragonX: /* lmao */ new section

Pal Park

2018-12-25T17:51:03Z

EternalDragonX: Undo revision 2892464 by FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) i agree with snorlax

{{incomplete|2=Missing complete interior layout image}}
{{Infobox location
|image=Pal Park HGSS.png
|type=land
|mapdesc=This used to be the location of the Safari Zone, but is now the Pal Park.{{sup/4|HGSS}}
|location_name=Pal Park
|japanese_name=パルパーク
|translated_name=Pal Park
|slogan=A Place for New Beginnings
|location={{rt|221|Sinnoh}}, [[Fuchsia City]]
|map=Sinnoh Pal Park Map.png
|region=Sinnoh
|region2=Kanto
|generation={{Gen|IV}}
|mapname=Sinnoh
}}
[[File:Kanto Pal Park Map.png|thumb|Pal Park in Kanto]]

'''Pal Park''' (Japanese: '''パルパーク''' ''Pal Park'') is a special Pokémon preserve present in the five [[Generation IV]] [[core series]] games, located at the east end of {{rt|221|Sinnoh}} in [[Sinnoh]] and in [[Fuchsia City]] in place of the {{safari|Kanto}} in [[Kanto]].

According to [[Professor Oak]], Pal Park attracts Pokémon from other regions.

==Accessing Pal Park==
In Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, players can travel to Pal Park as soon as they have obtained a Pokémon that knows {{m|Surf}} and earned the {{badge|Relic}}{{sup/4|DP}} or {{badge|Fen}}{{sup/4|Pt}}. Access will be denied, however, until all the Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number|Sinnoh Pokédex]] have been seen and the [[National Pokédex]] has been obtained. Until this is achieved, the construction workers outside will mention that Pal Park will be opening soon. Once the National Pokédex has been obtained, [[Professor Oak]] will meet the player on {{rt|221|Sinnoh}} and invite the player inside the building. He will briefly explain how Pal Park works, as well. Players will also find that the "Migrate from <game>" option will appear on the main menu screen when the game is loaded, provided a GBA game is in the [[Nintendo DS]]'s second slot.

Pal Park in HeartGold and SoulSilver is located where the [[Kanto Safari Zone]] was in previous games, at the north end of [[Fuchsia City]]. It is stated in-game that it used to be a Safari Zone, but when [[Baoba|the warden]] closed it down, his son opened Pal Park in its place. As players cannot enter Kanto without the National Pokédex, it is also required in these games. As soon as the player has arrived in the city, the migrate option will appear on the menu screen, regardless of whether Pal Park has been visited or not.

==Migration==
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[[File:palparkbox.png|thumb|left|200px|Transferring Pokémon over to [[Generation IV]]]]
Unlike [[Generation II]]'s [[Time Capsule]], the transfer from Generation III to Generation IV via Pal Park is permanent; Pokémon sent over cannot be returned to any Generation III game.

First, Pokémon must be migrated from the Generation III game. If a Generation III Game Pak is inserted in the GBA slot of the same [[Nintendo DS]] or [[Nintendo DS Lite]] system as the Generation IV game and the player has visited Pal Park, an option will appear on the main menu labelled "Migrate from <game>". When selecting this option, the player is presenting with a stripped-down view of the Generation III game's PC on the Nintendo DS's touch screen (the player cannot view the Pokémon's statuses, other than their minisprite, species, [[nickname]], [[level]], [[marking]]s, and [[held item]]). Pokémon that know a move that is an [[HM]] in the origin game (called "hidden moves" by the game) cannot be migrated. After selecting exactly 6 Pokémon, the game will confirm with the player that they want to send those 6 Pokémon. If the player has any migrated Pokémon that have not yet been caught, no additional Pokémon can be migrated.

In {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, it is only possible to migrate 6 Pokémon to that game from a specific Generation III game once per 24 hour period (excluding manipulations); in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, this restriction was lifted, allowing an unlimited number of migrations from a single game in a 24 hour period.

Pokémon can only be migrated if the Generation III game and Generation IV game are the same language, unless the Generation IV game is Korean, in which case any language Generation III game can be used (due to the Generation III games not being released in Korean). However, it is possible to trade between languages in Generation III, so it is possible to migrate, for example, a Pokémon originally met in a Japanese game from a Spanish Generation III game to a Spanish Generation IV game.

The games will permanently treat the Pokémon's current name as a nickname if it does not match the expected name for that language. As a result, using Pal Park in Korean will always trigger the aforementioned flag, since the GBA versions do not even have the expected charset in them.
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===Manipulation===
Despite the game having settings in place to restrict the amount of Pokémon migrated in a single day, these restrictions can be avoided and an unlimited number of Pokémon transferred into Generation IV. If, once a Catching Show has been completed, the player turns off the game system and changes the date on the Nintendo DS to show one day later, and inserts a second Generation III game, he or she will be instructed to reset the time on the DS. This will prevent migration from the second game, but allow the original game—that has already had six Pokémon transferred—to send Pokémon into the Generation IV game. Also, the Nintendo DS's clock can be set to the time displayed in the GBA cartridge before choosing Pal Park option to avoid the 24 hour period of waiting before transferring their Pokémon.

Despite these workarounds, no further migrations can be made until all six Pokémon transferred have been caught, and changing the [[Nintendo DS]] clock or playing the game on another Nintendo DS system will delay Pal Park migration for 24 hours.

==Catching Show==
After the Pokémon have migrated to the Generation IV game, they can be caught in Pal Park through an event known as a Catching Show. The Catching Show can be played even if the Generation III game is removed. Each Pokémon has a specific area of the park that they reside in, and therefore, they must also be found before they can be received. Pal Park uses a special type of [[Poké Ball]] known as a [[Park Ball]], which always succeeds. Once a battle begins, there are only two commands that can be used: Throw Ball, or Run. Even if the player [[Escape|runs]], they can still encounter the Pokémon again at a later time to catch it. The player may choose to leave the park at any time, but if they do they must then re-capture all migrated Pokémon on a subsequent visit.

===Score===
{{incomplete|section|Specific details of scoring (such as the points awarded for each species of Pokémon)}}
In addition to transferring Pokémon from [[Generation III]], Pal Park also has a score system that will offer rewards depending on the player's score. The score will be given at the end of the Catching Show by the Park Ranger. The score is worked out by how fast the captures are completed and what Pokémon are transferred over. If a rarer or a [[legendary Pokémon]] is migrated, such as {{p|Mewtwo}}, a higher score will be given, as opposed to more common Pokémon such as {{p|Rattata}}, which will be given a lower score. Timing will also alter the score: if it takes longer to complete the challenge the score will be decreased; however, if it takes a shorter amount of time to complete the challenge, the score will be increased. When Pal Park is first visited, a default high score of 2000 will be set by the player's rival (either {{ga|Barry}} in the Sinnoh games or {{ga|Silver}} in the Johto games). The Park Ranger always gives the player a [[Berry]] as a reward; the higher the score, the rarer the Berry.

===Rewards===
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{locationcolor/med|land}}; border:3px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|land}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|land}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" colspan="2" | 0-3000
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|land}}" colspan="2" | 3001-3299
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|land}}" colspan="2" | 3300-3499
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|land}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" colspan="2" | 3500-4000
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{Bag|Aspear Berry}}
| [[Aspear Berry]]
| {{Bag|Aguav Berry}}
| [[Aguav Berry]]
| {{Bag|Bluk Berry}}
| [[Bluk Berry]]
| {{Bag|Grepa Berry}}
| [[Grepa Berry]]
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{Bag|Cheri Berry}}
| [[Cheri Berry]]
| {{Bag|Figy Berry}}
| [[Figy Berry]]
| {{Bag|Nanab Berry III}}
| [[Nanab Berry]]
| {{Bag|Hondew Berry}}
| [[Hondew Berry]]
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{Bag|Chesto Berry}}
| [[Chesto Berry]]
| {{Bag|Iapapa Berry}}
| [[Iapapa Berry]]
| {{Bag|Lum Berry}}
| [[Lum Berry]]
| {{Bag|Kelpsy Berry}}
| [[Kelpsy Berry]]
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{Bag|Leppa Berry}}
| [[Leppa Berry]]
| {{Bag|Mago Berry}}
| [[Mago Berry]]
| {{Bag|Pinap Berry}}
| [[Pinap Berry]]
| {{Bag|Pomeg Berry}}
| [[Pomeg Berry]]
|- style="background:#fff;"

| {{Bag|Oran Berry}}
| [[Oran Berry]]
| {{Bag|Wiki Berry}}
| [[Wiki Berry]]
| {{Bag|Razz Berry III}}
| [[Razz Berry]]
| {{Bag|Qualot Berry}}
|[[Qualot Berry]]
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{Bag|Pecha Berry}}
| [[Pecha Berry]]
|
|
| {{Bag|Sitrus Berry}}
| [[Sitrus Berry]]
| {{Bag|Tamato Berry}}
| [[Tamato Berry]]
|- style="background:#fff;"
| {{Bag|Persim Berry}}
| [[Persim Berry]]
|
|
| {{Bag|Wepear Berry}}
| [[Wepear Berry]]
|
|
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{Bag|Rawst Berry}}
| style="background:#fff" | [[Rawst Berry]]
| style="background:#fff" |
| style="background:#fff" |
| style="background:#fff" |
| style="background:#fff" |
| style="background:#fff" |
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" |
|}
{{-}}

==Modifications to transported Pokémon==
Despite the player in the Generation IV game catching the Pokémon again, its [[Original Trainer|OT]], [[Trainer ID number|ID number]], and [[Poké Ball]] remain the same. Migrated Pokémon retain their [[held item]]s. Its [[friendship]] is reset to 70.

Many Pokémon obtained in [[Generation III]] gained an Ability in [[Generation IV]]. Due to Ability being dependent on [[personality value]] in the Generation III and IV games, this means that some migrated Pokémon have an Ability that does not match their personality value (since the Ability is not changed upon migration). However, because Abilities are recalculated upon [[evolution]] in Generation IV and {{gen|V}}, if that Pokémon evolves in games of these generations its Ability will change to match its personality value.

While non-English and non-Japanese characters cannot normally be used in the Generation III games, they do occur in some [[in-game trade]]s and preset player names. If a Pokémon has a nickname or [[original Trainer]] that has one of these characters, it will be turned into a kana character in the Western Generation IV games due to [[List of glitches in Generation IV#Pal Park name encoding glitch|encoding issues]].

Pal Park only reads the data of the game the Pokémon was originally generated in, rather than its in-game met location. This sets any Pokémon created in FireRed or LeafGreen to [[Kanto]]; Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald to [[Hoenn]] (even if it was caught on [[Navel Rock]] or [[Birth Island]], which are located in [[Kanto]]); and Colosseum or XD to "[[Orre|distant land]]". (Pokémon obtained from [[Wonder Card]]s are treated as being created in the game they were received in.) A Pokémon whose Egg is created in a game based in one region and traded to another region before it was hatched will display the name of the region it was generated in, rather than the one it was hatched in; this means that a Pokémon generated in Emerald but hatched in FireRed will have the OT and ID of the FireRed player but list that it was met in Hoenn.

In addition, the level obtained at is changed to the level arrived at. Due to the lack of a met date in the Generation III games, the date obtained becomes the date it was caught in the Catching Show.

==Geography==
===Lobby===
[[File:Pal Park entrance DP.png|thumb|Inside of Pal Park lobby]]
Pal Park is a large area consisting of a large park and a small entry building. Entering the building will take the player into the lobby, where they can accept to take part in the Daily Catching Show by talking to the Park Ranger. There are two floors in the lobby. The first is where registration for the show takes place. One woman on the left side of the building will tell the player their highest score achieved in the Catching Show, another will give the player two [[Pokétch]] apps, the Kitchen Timer and Color Changer by showing her a {{p|Snorlax}} and a {{p|Kecleon}} respectively. The second floor is accessible using the stairs on the right. Many people come up here to see all of the shows, as there are glass windows from which the entire park can be seen. In total, there are seven people within the lobby.

In HeartGold and SoulSilver, Pal Park is located in Fuchsia City, replacing the Safari Zone from Generations I and III. It holds almost exactly the same function as Sinnoh's Pal Park. It is available as soon as the player arrives in Fuchsia City, as the player already has the [[National Pokédex]] by then.
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===Park===
[[File:Pal Park Zones.png|thumb|The five different areas in Pal Park]]
{{main|List of Pokémon by Pal Park location}}
Pal Park itself is a huge park, with different terrains to suit all sorts of different Pokémon. Upon entering, the player will begin in the field area of Pal Park. This contains a large open space with large patches of [[tall grass]], inhabited by field Pokémon. There are two patches of grass within the area, a small patch on the east, and a larger patch on the west. There are 123 Pokémon that can appear in this area. There are three different paths the player can take in order to get to another area of the park; the north-western stairway will take the player to the forest area, the north-eastern stairway will take the player through a pathway to the mountain area, and traveling east will take the player to the sea area by jumping off a ledge.

By following the path up the far north-western side of the park, the player will reach the forest area of Pal Park, where forest-dwelling Pokémon live. There are 74 Pokémon that can appear in this area. It is a long, narrow strip of pathway following up the far western side of the park, then it takes a right turn up in the corner of the park, and travels east until the player reaches the pond area. The path is a long, narrow, dark pathway covered by tall trees, with the ground covered all the way by [[tall grass]]. The only other way to get to and from the forest area is by traveling through the pond area.

When the player reaches the pond area via the forest area, the player must travel a short distance east to reach the pond, a pool of water, able to be {{m|surf}}ed across, where all the wild Pokémon inhabit. There are 37 Pokémon that can appear in this area. If the player travels south while getting there, they will find a ledge going down into the mountain area. Once entering the square pond to find Pokémon, they can go south to reach dry land, where they can also climb up and down stairs on the steep mountainside to reach the sea area. Alternatively, the player can enter from the sea area by traveling north through part of the mountain area to reach the southern part of the waterside, where the player can {{m|surf}} across the light water to the other side. There is no other way of getting to the pond in the north-eastern corner.

The mountain area is located in the middle of a mountainside, in the center of Pal Park. It can be accessed by jumping a ledge in the pond area just north of there, or going through a little forest pathway from the field area. The mountain area has a small patch of grass, where the player can find wild Pokémon. There are 105 Pokémon that can appear in this area. Most of this area is covered with grass, while only a small part of it isn't. There is also a ledge the player can jump down to reach the sea area. This is the only way to leave the area apart from turning back to the field area.

The final area in the park, known as the sea area, is found in the south-eastern corner of the park. It can be accessed by going east from the field area, or south from the mountain area, by jumping down the ledge and going down the mountainside. The sea area makes up a large section of the park, with a large area of sea coming in from the west. When the player enters from the mountain or pond area, there is a large ledge to a sandy beach where the sea meets the land. The area also has rocky terrain, with many rocks on the beach and in the water blocking the way, so that the player cannot travel any further east past the mountain side. By {{m|surf}}ing across the deep blue water, the player can encounter many different types of wild sea Pokémon. In total, there are 47 Pokémon that can appear in this area. If the player goes west past another set of ledges, they will end up back on the eastern side of the field area where they began, making a big loop.

Although it is a West Sinnoh location in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, it uses East Sinnoh trees. Similarly, it is a [[Kanto]] location in HeartGold and SoulSilver but it uses [[Johto]] trees and rocks.

==Items==
{{Itlisth}}
{{Itemlist|None|sprite=Dppt poketch {{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|m|f}}|Given by [[Professor Oak]] upon entering Pal Park|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Pokétch|Trainer Counter}}}}
{{Itemlist|None|sprite=Dppt poketch {{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|m|f}}|Given by a woman in the lobby after showing her a {{p|Snorlax}}|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Pokétch|Kitchen Timer}}}}
{{Itemlist|None|sprite=Dppt poketch {{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|m|f}}|Given by a woman in the lobby after showing her a {{p|Kecleon}}|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|display={{DL|Pokétch|Color Changer}}}}
{{Itemlist|None|sprite=Accessory Crown Sprite|Given by a girl in the lobby if [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon FireRed]] is in the GBA slot|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Accessory|Special|Crown}}}}
{{Itemlist|None|sprite=Accessory Tiara Sprite|Given by a girl in the lobby if [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon LeafGreen]] is in the GBA slot|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Accessory|Special|Tiara}}}}
{{Itemlist|Fashion Case|Given by a girl in the lobby if [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby]] is in the GBA slot|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Backdrop|Underground}}}}
{{Itemlist|Fashion Case|Given by a girl in the lobby if [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Sapphire]] is in the GBA slot|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Backdrop|Seafloor}}}}
{{Itemlist|Fashion Case|Given by a girl in the lobby if {{game|Emerald}} is in the GBA slot|D=yes|P=yes|Pt=yes|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Backdrop|Sky}}}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

==Appearance==
===Outside===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|land}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{diamond color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond}}
! style="background:#{{pearl color}};" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Pearl}}
! style="background:#{{platinum color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum}}
! style="background:#{{heartgold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold}}
! style="background:#{{soulsilver color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SoulSilver}}
|-
| colspan="2" | [[File:Pal Park outside DP.png|200px]]
| [[File:Pal Park outside Pt.png|200px]]
| colspan="2" | [[File:Pal Park outside HGSS.png|200px]]
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|land}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

===Park===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|land}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{diamond color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond}}
! style="background:#{{pearl color}};" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Pearl}}
! style="background:#{{platinum color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum}}
! style="background:#{{heartgold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold}}
! style="background:#{{soulsilver color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SoulSilver}}
|-
| colspan="2" | [[File:Pal Park DP.png|200px]]
| [[File:Pal Park Pt.png|200px]]
| colspan="2" | [[File:Pal Park HGSS.png|200px]]
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|land}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

==Music==
The Pal Park shares its background music with the resident Safari Zones in the games it appears in, using that of {{safari|Johto|Johto's}} in HeartGold and SoulSilver, and using that of the [[Great Marsh]] in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum. This is somewhat fitting considering it replaces the Kanto Safari Zone in HeartGold and SoulSilver, though the Kanto Safari Zone theme is the same as the trading and evolution theme.

==Trivia==
* In the internal data of the [[Generation V]] games, the theme of the [[Poké Transfer Lab]], which is titled the same in [[Pokémon Black & Pokémon White: Super Music Collection|the soundtrack release]] of {{game|Black and White|s}}, is called '''SEQ_BGM_PALPARK'''. This is a reference to it being the generation's equivalent to the Pal Park of the [[Generation IV]] games.
* Prior to the release of Pokémon Platinum, Pal Park was the only way to obtain {{p|Tangela}} (and thus its Generation IV evolution {{p|Tangrowth}}), {{p|Tropius}}, the [[Legendary birds]], and the [[Legendary titans]] in the Generation IV games. Prior to the release of Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, Pal Park was the only way to obtain [[starter Pokémon]] introduced before Generation IV, {{p|Mewtwo}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}}, the [[weather trio]], and the [[eon duo]].
** Prior to the 2007 {{DL|List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV|PalCity Mew}} distribution, the 2010 Japanese {{DL||Movie Celebi}} distribution, the {{DL|List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV|2007 Tanabata Jirachi}} distribution, and the 2007 Japanese {{DL||10th Movie Deoxys}} distribution, Pal Park was the only way to obtain {{p|Mew}}, {{p|Celebi}}, {{p|Jirachi}} and {{p|Deoxys}} in the Generation IV games, respectively.
** Some Pokémon, such as {{p|Regice}}, which are only obtainable via an event in Generation IV, can be obtained without one in Generation III.
** Some items can only be obtained in Generation IV through Pal Park.

===Name origin===
The English and Japanese names are based on the word "pal", an affectionate term for a friend. Other language versions use a similar naming style, although the German- and French-language versions are less colloquial and translate to ''Park of (the) Friends''.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|land}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|land}}
|zh_yue=夥伴公園 ''{{tt|Fóbuhn Gūngyùhn|Pal Park}}''
|zh_cmn=夥伴公園 / 伙伴公园 ''{{tt|Huǒbàn Gōngyuán|Pal Park}}''
|fr_ca=Pal Park{{tt|*|Diamond manual}}
|fr_eu=Parc des Amis
|de=Park der Freunde
|it=Parco Amici
|ko=팔파크 ''Pal Park''
|es=Parque Compi
}}

==See also==
* [[List of Pokémon by Pal Park location]]

{{Inter-gen transfer}}
{{Sinnoh}}
{{Kanto}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Sinnoh locations]]
[[Category:Kanto locations]]
[[Category:Diamond and Pearl locations]]
[[Category:Platinum locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Parks]]

[[de:Park der Freunde]]
[[es:Parque Compi]]
[[fr:Parc des Amis]]
[[it:Parco Amici]]
[[ja:パルパーク]]
[[zh:伙伴公园]]

Lost Wilderness

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{{DungeonPrevNext|Shimmer Hill|Midnight Forest|2}}
{{dungeon infobox
|size=256
|colorscheme=fighting
|bordercolorscheme=psychic
|name=Lost Wilderness
|jname=みかいのこうや
|jtrans=Undeveloped Wilderness
|image=Lost Wilderness.png
|recruitable=Yes
|floors=18
|rest=No
|traps=Yes
|items=48
|money=Allowed
|teamsize=4
|startlevel=Current
|maintype={{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}
|boss=None
}}
The '''Lost Wilderness''' (Japanese: '''みかいのこうや''' ''Undeveloped Wilderness'') is a dungeon in {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness}} and {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky}}. It is unlocked by accepting a ☆5-rated job with "???" as the location in Explorers of Time and Darkness, or by finding it on the bottom of a glass in Spinda's Café in Explorers of Sky. It consists of 18 floors and has a Deluxe Box and a Warp Zone on the last floor.

On the 15th floor is a locked room with a Reviver Seed. Unlike other locked rooms, however, after being unlocked, it remains unlocked for the rest of the game. A similar room can be found in [[Happy Outlook]].

==Pokémon encountered==
{{mdloc/h|fighting|psychic}}
{{mdloc|063|Abra|B1-B17|11-14|8.2}}
{{mdloc|064|Kadabra|B1-B17|36-39|-4.5}}
{{mdloc|108|Lickitung|B1-B17|30-33|8.2}}
{{mdloc|122|Mr. Mime|B1-B17|30-33|-4.5}}
{{mdloc|126|Magmar|B1-B17|30-33|1}}
{{mdloc|236|Tyrogue|B1-B17|14-17|6.4}}
{{mdloc|237|Hitmontop|B1-B17|30-33|-12}}
{{mdloc|275|Shiftry|B1-B17|30-33|-12}}
{{mdloc|297|Hariyama|B1-B17|30-33|-12}}
{{mdloc|307|Meditite|B1-B17|15-18|5.5}}
{{mdloc|308|Medicham|B1-B17|30-33|-12}}
{{mdloc|327|Spinda|B1-B17|30-33|6.4}}
{{mdloc|453|Croagunk|B1-B17|30-33|8.2}}
{{mdloc|296|Makuhita|B3-B16|15-18|4}}
{{mdloc|448|Lucario|B11-B17|game=timeandsky|45-46|-10}}
{{mdloc/f|psychic}}

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{fighting color light}}|bordercolor={{psychic color dark}}
|fr=Contrée Inexplorée
|de=Verlorene Wildnis
|it=Landa Perduta
|ko=미개척 황야 ''Migaecheok Hwangya''
|es=Espesura Perdida
}}

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{{PMD2 locations}}
{{DoubleProjectTag|Locations|Sidegames}}
[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2 locations]]
[[Category:Plains]]

[[de:Verlorene Wildnis]]
[[fr:Contrée Inexplorée]]
[[it:Landa Perduta]]
[[ja:みかいのこうや]]
[[zh:未拓荒野]]

Kanto Route 23

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{{Route infobox
|number=23
|size=250
|image=Kanto Route 23 FRLG.png
|imageI=Kanto Route 23 RBY.png
|imageII=Indigo Plateau GSC.png
|imageIII=Kanto Route 23 FRLG.png
|type=land
|south=Route 22
|southalt=Route 22{{tt|*|Generations I and III}}
|regionsouth=Kanto
|south2=Victory Road (Kanto)
|south2alt=Victory Road{{tt|*|Generation II}}
|north=Indigo Plateau
|region=Kanto
|before=22
|after=24
|surf={{tt|*|Generations I and III}}
|mapdesc=A mountain path where only the strongest Trainers may pass.{{sup/7|PE}}
}}

'''Route 23''' (Japanese: '''２３{{tt|番道路|ばんどうろ}}''' ''Route 23''), is a [[route]] in northwest [[Kanto]], connecting [[Indigo Plateau]] to {{ka|Victory Road}} and {{rt|22|Kanto}}.

==Route description==
===Generations I, III, and VII===
=====Southern segment=====
Heading north from the Pokémon League Front Gate, which houses the first Badge checkpoint, Route 23 heads northeast, passing through the first of many archways on the route as well as the second checkpoint. Northwest of this point is the second archway and the third checkpoint. The main path of the road then heads north, taking a slight northeast alignment as it approaches the third archway and the fourth checkpoint on the bank of a waterway that effectively separates the route into two halves.

Directly north of the fourth checkpoint is checkpoint five, in the shadow of archway four. Northeast of this location, past an island in the water that splits the channel into two, is the next archway/checkpoint. The route continues north, making landfall northeast of the sixth checkpoint.

In this area, Route 23 is dotted with grassy patches and boulders, creating a unique look not seen anywhere else in Kanto outside the {{safari|Kanto}}. North of the scenery, the route encounters the seventh checkpoint underneath the final archway on the route.

Route 23 turns to the northwest, passing the final patch of grass on the road before returning to a north-south alignment several paces south of the final checkpoint. Just north of the checkpoint is the south entrance to Victory Road.

=====Northern segment=====
The route heads north from Victory Road's northern portal, arriving at a series of stone statues intended to create a maze. On the other side of the maze, Route 23 ascends a series of stairs before arriving at the front door to Indigo Plateau.

==Items==
{{Itlisth}}
{{Itemlist|Golden Razz Berry|
*East of the {{badge|Cascade}} checkpoint (×3)
*On the island north of the {{badge|Soul}} checkpoint (requires [[Secret Technique|Sea Skim]]) (×5)|LP=yes|LE=yes|display=[[Golden Razz Berry]] ×8}}
{{Itemlist|Leppa Berry|Northwest of the {{badge|Thunder}} checkpoint, on the marked square ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Golden Pinap Berry|
* Directly west of the {{badge|Soul}} checkpoint (requires [[Secret Technique|Sea Skim]]) (×3)
* In the patch of [[tall grass|grass]] directly north of the {{badge|Volcano}} checkpoint (×5)|LP=yes|LE=yes|display=[[Golden Pinap Berry]] ×8}}
{{Itemlist|Golden Nanab Berry|
*Northeast of the {{badge|Thunder}} checkpoint (×3)
*Southeast of the {{badge|Volcano}} checkpoint, in between two [[Poké Ball]] statues (requires [[Secret Technique|Sea Skim]]) (×5)|LP=yes|LE=yes|display=[[Golden Nanab Berry]] ×8}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|In the northwest corner of the island north of the {{badge|Soul}} checkpoint ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|Two squares south and two squares west of the northeast corner of the island ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|On the eastern tree of the two trees south of the southeastern most patch of [[tall grass|grass]] ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|On the wall between the two statues northeast of the water ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Aspear Berry|Southwest of the {{badge|Volcano}} checkpoint, on the marked square ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|On the northeastern most rock of the rocks west of the northern most patch of [[tall grass|grass]] ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|On the rock east of the northern most patch of [[tall grass|grass]] ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Sitrus Berry|West of the west statue of the two statues closest to the western {{ka|Victory Road}} entrance, on the marked square ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Lum Berry|South of the pair of statues southwest of the maze of stones, on a marked square ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|In the maze of stones, in the dead-end reached on the second western most path ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation I===
{{Catch/header|land|no}}
{{Catch/entry1|021|Spearow|yes|yes|no|Grass|26|15%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry1|022|Fearow|yes|yes|no|Grass|38, 41, 43|25%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry1|022|Fearow|no|no|yes|Grass|40, 45|15%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry1|023|Ekans|yes|no|no|Grass|26|25%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry1|024|Arbok|yes|no|no|Grass|41|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry1|027|Sandshrew|no|yes|no|Grass|26|25%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry1|028|Sandslash|no|yes|no|Grass|41|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry1|030|Nidorina|no|no|yes|Grass|41, 44|25%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry1|033|Nidorino|no|no|yes|Grass|41, 44|35%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry1|056|Mankey|no|no|yes|Grass|36, 41|20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{Catch/entry1|057|Primeape|no|no|yes|Grass|41, 46|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{Catch/entry1|132|Ditto|yes|yes|no|Grass|33, 38, 43|30%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entry1|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|no|no|yes|Fish Super|25, 30|70%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|061|Poliwhirl|no|no|yes|Fish Super|30, 40|30%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|080|Slowbro|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{Catch/entry1|099|Kingler|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|117|Seadra|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|119|Seaking|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/footer|land}}

===Generation III===
{{Catch/header|land|no}}
{{Catch/entryfl|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Grass|32, 34|15%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryfl|022|Fearow|yes|yes|Grass|40, 42, 44|25%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryfl|023|Ekans|yes|no|Grass|32, 34|20%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryfl|024|Arbok|yes|no|Grass|44|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryfl|027|Sandshrew|no|yes|Grass|32, 34|20%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/entryfl|028|Sandslash|no|yes|Grass|44|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/entryfl|056|Mankey|yes|yes|Grass|32, 34|30%|type1=Fighting}}
{{Catch/entryfl|057|Primeape|yes|yes|Grass|42|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Surf|20-40|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Surf|20-40|100%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Fish Super|15-35|5%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Fish Super|20-30|40%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Fish Super|15-35|5%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{Catch/entryfl|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-25|15%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/footer|land}}

===Generation VII===
{{Catch/header|land|no}}
{{Catch/entrype|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|10%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entrype|022|Fearow|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|15%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entrype|029|Nidoran♀|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|10%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entrype|030|Nidorina|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|19%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entrype|031|Nidoqueen|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|1%|type1=Poison|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entrype|032|Nidoran♂|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|10%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entrype|033|Nidorino|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|19%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entrype|034|Nidoking|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|1%|type1=Poison|type2=Ground}}
{{Catch/entrype|102|Exeggcute|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|14%|type1=Grass|type2=Psychic}}
{{Catch/entrype|103|Exeggutor|yes|yes|Grass|41-46|1%|type1=Grass|type2=Psychic}}
{{Catch/div|water|Sea Skim}}
{{catch/entrype|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Surf|41-46|45%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entrype|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Surf|41-46|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entrype|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Surf|41-46|45%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/div|flying|While riding a Flying Pokémon}}
{{Catch/entrype|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Sky|3-56|60%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entrype|022|Fearow|yes|yes|Sky|3-56|40%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/footer|land|2}}

==Trainers==
===Generation VII===
All of these Trainers appear at the route once the player has become {{pkmn|Champion}}.

{{trainerheader}}
{{trainerdiv|land|Southern segment}}
{{trainerentry|VSAce Trainer M Master PE.png{{!}}90px|Ace Trainer|Jirard|N/A [[Master Trainer]]|1|147|Dratini|♂|65|None|36=タクム|37=Takumu}}
{{trainerdiv}}
{{trainerentry|VSAce Trainer M Master PE.png{{!}}90px|Ace Trainer|Percy|N/A [[Master Trainer]]|1|031|Nidoqueen|♀|75|None|36=ツネカズ|37=Tsunekazu}}
{{trainerdiv}}
{{trainerentry|VSAce Trainer M Master PE.png{{!}}90px|Ace Trainer|Carlton|N/A [[Master Trainer]]|1|034|Nidoking|♂|80|None|36=ハルマ|37=Haruma}}
{{trainerdiv|land|Northern segment}}
{{trainerentry|VSLass Master PE.png{{!}}90px|Lass|Sal|N/A [[Master Trainer]]|1|003|Venusaur|♀|75|None|36=リンカ|37=Rinka}}
{{trainerdiv}}
{{trainerentry|VSAce Trainer M Master PE.png{{!}}90px|Ace Trainer|Edmund|N/A [[Master Trainer]]|1|006|Charizard|♂|75|None|36=ケン|37=Ken}}
{{trainerfooter|land|PE}}

==Differences among generations==
[[File:Indigo Plateau GSC.png|thumb|144px|Route 23 in Generation II]]
Only minor cosmetic differences exist between the [[Generation I]] games, {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, and [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!|Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]].

In the [[Generation II]] games and {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, Route 23 became unnecessary due to the addition of the [[Pokémon League Reception Gate]] on {{rt|26|Kanto}}, being reduced to an extremely short path that takes 7{{sup/2|GSC}}/17{{sup/4|HGSS}} steps connecting the front door of [[Indigo Plateau]] with the northern entrance of Victory Road. The [[remake]]s reclassified Route 23 as part of Indigo Plateau, although there is still unused location data for Route 23.
{{clear}}

==Trivia==
* The background music, titled ''The Final Road'', is rearranged from the prelude to the game's opening and title screen theme.
* Because the tilesets were not changed between versions of the [[Generation I]] games, the signpost outside the southern entrance to {{ka|Victory Road}} kept its design from {{2v2|Red|Green}} in {{v2|Blue| (Japanese)}} and {{v2|Yellow}}, as well as in every localized release of the Generation I games.
* In {{v2|Yellow}}, {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, riding the [[Bicycle]] here will not change the background music. In FireRed and LeafGreen only, using {{m|Surf}} will not change the background music either.
* In the Japanese versions of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the unused data for Route 23 includes a scrapped map blurb consisting of generic development text, "Dummy Guide Message" (Japanese: ダミーのガイドメッセージ), which is also shared with the [[Team Rocket Hideout|Rocket Hideout]], [[Goldenrod Tunnel]], [[Dragon's Den]], [[Cliff Cave]], and a KGR Map (Japanese: ＫＧＲマップ).

{{Kanto}} 
{{Project Routes notice}}

[[Category:Kanto locations|Route 023]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 023]]
[[Category:Red, Blue and Yellow locations|Route 023]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations|Route 023]]
[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen locations|Route 023]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations|Route 023]]
[[Category:Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! locations|Route 023]]

[[de:Route 23 (Kanto)]]
[[es:Ruta 23 (Kanto)]]
[[fr:Route 23 (Kanto)]]
[[it:Percorso 23 (Kanto)]]
[[ja:23ばんどうろ (カントー地方)]]
[[zh:２３号道路（关都）]]

Viridian Forest

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{{samename|location in [[Pokémon Channel]]|Viridian Forest (Channel)}}
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{{Infobox location
|image=HGSS Viridian Forest-{{#switch: {{#time: G}}|4|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16=Day|17|18|19=Evening|20|21|22|23|0|1|2|3=Night}}.png
|image_size=256
|type=forest
|mapdesc=A deep and sprawling forest that extends around Viridian City. A natural maze, many people become lost inside.{{sup/3|FRLG}} A forest filled with nature and Bug-type Pokémon.{{sup/4|HGSS}}
|location_name=Viridian Forest
|japanese_name={{tt|トキワの森|Tokiwa no Mori}}
|translated_name=Tokiwa Forest
|location={{rt|2|Kanto}}
|region=Kanto
|generation={{gen|I}}, {{gen|III}}, {{gen|IV}}, {{gen|VII}}
}}
'''Viridian Forest''' (Japanese: '''トキワの{{tt|森|もり}}''' ''Tokiwa Forest'') is a [[forest]] which lies between [[Viridian City]] and [[Pewter City]] in the middle of {{rt|2|Kanto}} with both the north and south entrances of Viridian Forest open to the route. The deep and sprawling forest is said to be a natural maze as many people get lost inside. The trees in the forest are so thick that little light gets in, and because of this the forest is full of {{t|Bug}}- and {{type|Flying}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} that attract {{tc|Bug Catcher}}s and other Trainers.

In [[Generation II]], Viridian Forest no longer exists as a standalone area and has been replaced with a maze of standard trees, containing items and [[Berry]] trees, which is now a part of Route 2. The maze forms roughly the same design as before and the items are placed similarly to those located in Generations I and III. However, in the [[Generation IV]] remakes, the forest is re-expanded into the state of an actual dungeon, with five Trainers added, and with Pokémon similar to those of Pokémon Yellow.

==Geography==
[[File:FL Viridian Forest.png|thumb|200px|[[Location preview|Preview]] of Viridian Forest in FireRed and LeafGreen]]
Viridian Forest is a deep and sprawling woodland expanding across {{rt|2|Kanto}} reaching to [[Pewter City]] in the north and to [[Viridian City]] in the south, giving the forest its name. The trees in this area have grown so dense that light has trouble getting through, and because of this the forest seems dark and gloomy. The path across to each terminus winds its way around the dense layers of trees, creating a giant labyrinth many liken to a natural maze, as many people get lost inside. The entrance to the forest seems to be light and airy: the trees are not as thick and sunlight is able to get in fine. The trees stand tall and the grass appears to be long and unmaintained, while trees in the distance appear to be shadowed.

Because of its dark and shady environment, Viridian Forest hosts a large array of different {{type|Bug}} Pokémon. They are not particularly powerful, but they will cause [[status condition]]s such as paralysis and poison. It is advised from sign posts and even from other Trainers that Trainers should buy status condition healing items such as [[Antidote]] and [[Paralyze Heal|Parlyz Heal]] before entering the forest. Pokémon such as {{p|Caterpie}}, {{p|Weedle}}, {{p|Metapod}}, and {{p|Kakuna}} inhabit trees and [[tall grass]], allowing themselves to stay hidden from predators. Viridian Forest is also one of the locations where Trainers can seek wild {{p|Pikachu}} as well as under-leveled {{p|Pidgeotto}}, making the forest a very exclusive place to find Pokémon. {{tc|Bug Catcher}}s, who own common {{type|Bug}} Pokémon such as Caterpie and Weedle, come here in groups from Viridian and Pewter to battle and train.

==Items==
{{Itlisth|forest}}
{{Itemlist|Antidote|On the southwesternmost square of the lone tree north of the southern entrance ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Poké Ball|At the end of a [[Tall grass|grassy]] dead-end path northwest of the southern entrance|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ball|Poké}}}}
{{Itemlist|Potion|
* In the patch of [[Tall grass|grass]] to the very east of the southern entrance
* In a small area southeast of the [[Trainer Tips]] sign southeast of the northern entrance
* Four squares west of {{tc|Bug Catcher}} Sammy, south of the northern entrance ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes|display=[[Potion]] ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Antidote|In the northeast area of the forest, northwest of a [[Trainer Tips]] sign|R=yes|B=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Potion|In the northeast area of the forest, northwest of a [[Trainer Tips]] sign|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Potion|
* At the end of a grassless dead-end path southeast of the northern entrance
* One square west of the {{tc|Bug Catcher}} south of the northern entrance ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display=[[Potion]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Antidote|
* At the end of the path north of the southern entrance
* Southeast corner of the forest, in the tall grass at the base of a tree|LP=yes|LE=yes|display=[[Antidote]] ×2}}
{{itemlist|Tiny Mushroom|Northwest of the Antidote, at a dead end past the grass|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{itemlist|Poké Ball|Southwest corner of the forest, in the tall grass at the base of a tree|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{ball|Poké}} ×5}}
{{Itemlist|Potion|Northeast corner of the forest, behind a tree|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{itemlist|Lure|At the end of a grassless dead-end path, southeast of the northern entrance|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Big Mushroom|
* South of {{tc|Bug Catcher}} Stacey ''(hidden)''
* Northwest of the Leaf Stone ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Big Mushroom]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Blue Flute|Northwest of {{tc|Bug Catcher}} Stacey|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Dire Hit|Northeast of {{tc|Bug Catcher}} Abner inside the north curve|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|At a dead end after going up some steps south-east of {{tc|Bug Catcher}} Abner ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Leaf Stone|After following some steps in the southwest area of the forest|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|In patch of grass west of southern entrance ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Tiny Mushroom|
* East of {{tc|Bug Catcher}} Ellis ''(hidden)''
* North of TM77 ''(hidden)''
* On a ledge north of the southern entrance ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Tiny Mushroom|TinyMushroom]] ×3}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|At a dead end just past some grass in the furthest southeast area of the forest|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|77|Psych Up}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|forest}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation I===
{{catch/header|forest|no}}
{{catch/entry1|010|Caterpie|yes|no|no|Grass|3|5%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entry1|010|Caterpie|no|yes|no|Grass|3-5|50%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entry1|010|Caterpie|no|no|yes|Grass|3-6|55%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entry1|011|Metapod|yes|no|no|Grass|4|5%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entry1|011|Metapod|no|yes|no|Grass|4-6|35%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entry1|011|Metapod|no|no|yes|Grass|4, 6|20%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entry1|013|Weedle|yes|no|no|Grass|3-5|50%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entry1|013|Weedle|no|yes|no|Grass|3|5%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entry1|014|Kakuna|yes|no|no|Grass|4-6|35%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entry1|014|Kakuna|no|yes|no|Grass|4|5%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entry1|016|Pidgey|no|no|yes|Grass|4, 6, 8|24%|type1=normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entry1|017|Pidgeotto|no|no|yes|Grass|9|1%|type1=normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entry1|025|Pikachu|yes|yes|no|Grass|3, 5|5%|type1=electric}}
{{catch/footer|forest}}

===Generation III===
{{Catch/header|forest|no}}
{{Catch/entryfl|010|Caterpie|yes|yes|Grass|3-5|40%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entryfl|011|Metapod|yes|no|Grass|5|5%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entryfl|011|Metapod|no|yes|Grass|4-6|10%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entryfl|013|Weedle|yes|yes|Grass|3-5|40%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|014|Kakuna|yes|no|Grass|4-6|10%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|014|Kakuna|no|yes|Grass|5|5%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{Catch/entryfl|025|Pikachu|yes|yes|Grass|3, 5|5%|type1=electric}}
{{Catch/footer|forest}}

===Generation IV===
{{Catch/header|forest|yes}}
{{catch/entryhs|010|Caterpie|yes|no|Grass|3|40%|40%|0%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entryhs|013|Weedle|no|yes|Grass|3|40%|40%|0%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entryhs|011|Metapod|yes|no|Grass|3-5|30%|30%|0%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/entryhs|014|Kakuna|no|yes|Grass|3-5|30%|30%|0%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entryhs|016|Pidgey|yes|yes|Grass|3|10%|0%|0%|type1=normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|016|Pidgey|yes|yes|Grass|3-7|0%|15%|0%|type1=normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|012|Butterfree|yes|no|Grass|7|10%|0%|0%|type1=bug|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|015|Beedrill|no|yes|Grass|7|10%|0%|0%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entryhs|025|Pikachu|yes|yes|Grass|4-7|6%|6%|0%|type1=electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|025|Pikachu|yes|yes|Grass|4|0%|0%|5%|type1=electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|017|Pidgeotto|yes|yes|Grass|7|4%|9%|0%|type1=normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|163|Hoothoot|yes|yes|Grass|3-5|0%|0%|80%|type1=normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|164|Noctowl|yes|yes|Grass|7|0%|0%|15%|type1=normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/div|forest|Headbutt}}
{{catch/entryhs|163|Hoothoot|yes|yes|Headbutt|3-7|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|273|Seedot|yes|no|Headbutt|3-6|all=30%|type1=Grass|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|273|Seedot|no|yes|Headbutt|3-6|all=5%|type1=Grass|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|167|Spinarak|yes|no|Headbutt|4|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|168|Ariados|yes|no|Headbutt|5-6|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|165|Ledyba|no|yes|Headbutt|4|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|166|Ledian|no|yes|Headbutt|5-6|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|164|Noctowl|yes|yes|Headbutt|5-7|all=5%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|285|Shroomish|yes|no|Headbutt|5-6|all=5%|type1=Grass|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|285|Shroomish|no|yes|Headbutt|5-6|all=30%|type1=Grass|10=k}}
{{catch/div|forest|Swarm}}
{{catch/entryhs|401|Kricketot|yes|yes|Swarm|3-5|all=40%|type1=bug}}
{{catch/div|forest|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|322|Numel|yes|yes|Hoenn|5|all=20%|type1=fire|type2=ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|325|Spoink|yes|yes|Hoenn|3|all=20%|type1=psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|406|Budew|yes|yes|Sinnoh|3|all=20%|type1=grass|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entryhs|455|Carnivine|yes|yes|Sinnoh|5|all=20%|type1=grass}}
{{Catch/footer|forest}}

===Generation VII===
{{Catch/header|forest|no}}
{{Catch/entrype|010|Caterpie|yes|no|Grass|3-6|25%|type1=Bug}}
{{Catch/entrype|010|Caterpie|no|yes|Grass|3-6|24%|type1=Bug}}
{{Catch/entrype|011|Metapod|yes|yes|Grass|3-6|10%|type1=Bug}}
{{Catch/entrype|012|Butterfree|yes|no|Grass|3-6|1%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entrype|013|Weedle|yes|no|Grass|3-6|24%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entrype|013|Weedle|no|yes|Grass|3-6|25%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entrype|014|Kakuna|yes|yes|Grass|3-6|10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entrype|015|Beedrill|no|yes|Grass|3-6|1%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entrype|016|Pidgey|yes|yes|Grass|3-6|15%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entrype|025|Pikachu|yes|yes|Grass|3-6|5%|type1=Electric}}
{{Catch/entrype|043|Oddish|yes|no|Grass|3-6|10%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entrype|069|Bellsprout|no|yes|Grass|3-6|10%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/footer|forest|2}}

==Trainers==
===Generation I===
====Pokémon Red and Blue====
{{Trainerheader|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||60|2|013|Weedle||6||010|Caterpie||6|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||70|3|013|Weedle||7||014|Kakuna||7||013|Weedle||7|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||90|1|013|Weedle||9|||}}
{{Trainerfooter|forest|I}}

====Pokémon Yellow====
{{Trainerheader|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr Y Lass.png|Lass||90|2|029|Nidoran♀||6||032|Nidoran♂||6|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr Y Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||70|2|010|Caterpie||7||010|Caterpie||7|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr Y Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||60|3|011|Metapod||6||010|Caterpie||6||011|Metapod||6|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr Y Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||80|2|010|Caterpie||8||011|Metapod||8|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr Y Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||100|1|010|Caterpie||10|||}}
{{Trainerfooter|forest|I}}

===Generation III===
{{Trainerheader|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Rick|72|2|013|Weedle|♂|6|None|010|Caterpie|♂|6|None|36=シンイチ|37=Shinichi}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Doug|84|3|013|Weedle|♂|7|None|014|Kakuna|♂|7|None|013|Weedle|♂|7|None|36=オサム|37=Osamu}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Anthony|96|2|010|Caterpie|♂|7|None|010|Caterpie|♂|8|None|36=シュンスケ|37=Shunsuke}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Charlie|84|3|011|Metapod|♂|7|None|010|Caterpie|♂|7|None|011|Metapod|♂|7|None|36=マナブ|37=Manabu}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Sammy|108|1|013|Weedle|♂|9|None|36=タツヒロ|37=Tatsuhiro}}
{{Trainerfooter|forest}}

===Generation IV===
{{trainerheader|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Abner|704|3|012|Butterfree|♂|44|None|015|Beedrill|♂|44|None|025|Pikachu|♂|44|None|36=シオ|37=Shio}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Ellis|736|3|013|Weedle|♂|28|None|014|Kakuna|♂|38|None|015|Beedrill|♂|46|None|36=メグル|37=Meguru}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Stacey|960|3|011|Metapod|♂|52|None|011|Metapod|♂|56|None|011|Metapod|♂|60|None|36=リキマル|37=Rikimaru}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Dion|800|01|168|Ariados|♂|50|None|36=ソラチ|37=Sorachi}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Dane|768|02|015|Beedrill|♂|44|None|012|Butterfree|♂|48|None|36=モンタ|37=Monta}}
{{trainerfooter|forest|2}}

===Generation VII===
{{trainerheader|forest}}
{{trainerentry|VSLass PE.png{{!}}90px|Lass|Joana|40 3 {{ball|Poké}}s|1|019|Rattata|♂|4|None|36=マコ|37=Mako}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|VSBug Catcher PE.png{{!}}90px|Bug Catcher|Brian|36 3 {{ball|Poké}}s|1|013|Weedle|♂|3|None|36=マサフミ|37=Masafumi}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|VSBug Catcher PE.png{{!}}90px|Bug Catcher|Rick|36 3 {{ball|Poké}}s|1|010|Caterpie|♂|3|None|36=シンイチ|37=Shinichi}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|VSLass PE.png{{!}}90px|Lass|Brittany|40 3 {{ball|Poké}}s|1|029|Nidoran♀||4|None|36=ミク|37=Miku}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|VSBug Catcher PE.png{{!}}90px|Bug Catcher|Doug|36 3 {{ball|Poké}}s|1|014|Kakuna|♂|3|None|36=オサム|37=Osamu}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|VSLass PE.png{{!}}90px|Lass|Jocelyn|40 3 {{ball|Poké}}s|1|016|Pidgey|♀|4|None|36=シノブ|37=Shinobu}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|VSBug Catcher PE.png{{!}}90px|Bug Catcher|Sammy|36 3 {{ball|Poké}}s|1|011|Metapod|♀|3|None|36=タツヒロ|37=Tatsuhiro}}
{{trainerdiv|forest|After becoming Champion}}
{{trainerentry|VSBug Catcher Master PE.png{{!}}90px|Bug Catcher|Scott|N/A [[Master Trainer]]|1|013|Weedle|♂|65|None|36=ヒロシ|37=Hiroshi}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|VSLass Master PE.png{{!}}90px|Lass|[[Ikue Ohtani|Ikue]]|N/A [[Master Trainer]]|1|025|Pikachu|♀|75|None|36=イクエ|37=Ikue}}
{{trainerfooter|forest|PE}}

==Layout==
{{Mapgen
|hv=v
|colordark={{locationcolor/dark|forest}}
|colorlight={{locationcolor/light|forest}}
|genI=Viridian Forest RBY.png
|sizeI=180px
|genIII=Viridian Forest FRLG.png
|sizeIII=180px
|genIV=Viridian Forest HGSS.png
|sizeIV=180px}}

==[[Location preview|Preview]]==
<gallery>
File:HGSS Viridian Forest-Morning.png|Morning (Pikachu)
File:HGSS Viridian Forest-Day.png|Day (Pikachu)
File:HGSS Viridian Forest-Evening.png|Evening (Pikachu)
File:HGSS Viridian Forest-Night.png|Night (Pikachu)
</gallery>

==Trainer Tips==
===Generation III===
{{sign|FRLG|header}}
{{sign|FRLG|title|TRAINER TIPS}}
{{sign|FRLG|Weaken POKéMON before attempting capture!}}
{{sign|FRLG|When healthy, they may escape!}}
{{sign|FRLG|footer}}

{{sign|FRLG|header}}
{{sign|FRLG|title|TRAINER TIPS}}
{{sign|FRLG|You can't catch a POKéMON that belongs to someone else.}}
{{sign|FRLG|Throw POKé BALLS only at wild POKéMON to catch them!}}
{{sign|FRLG|footer}}

{{sign|FRLG|header}}
{{sign|FRLG|title|TRAINER TIPS}}
{{sign|FRLG|Contact PROF. OAK via a PC to get your POKéDEX evaluated!}}
{{sign|FRLG|footer}}

{{sign|FRLG|header}}
{{sign|FRLG|title|TRAINER TIPS}}
{{sign|FRLG|If your POKéMON are weak and you want to avoid battles, stay away from grassy areas!}}
{{sign|FRLG|footer}}

==In the spin-off games==
===In Pokémon Pinball===
[[File:Pinball Viridian Forest.png|thumb]]
In {{g|Pinball}}, Viridian Forest appears on the Red and Blue tables. Catchable {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} include {{p|Caterpie}}, {{p|Weedle}}, {{p|Pidgey}}, {{p|Rattata}} and {{p|Pikachu}}.

===In Pokémon Channel===
{{main|Viridian Forest (Channel)}}

==In the anime==
===In the main series===
[[File:Viridian Forest anime.png|thumb|250px|Viridian Forest in the anime]]
Viridian Forest has appeared in multiple episodes of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first shown at the end of ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]''. While traveling through the forest, {{Ash}} and {{an|Misty}} encountered a {{AP|Caterpie}}, and Ash decided to throw a [[Poké Ball]] at it to try and {{pkmn2|caught|catch}} it.

In ''[[EP003|Ash Catches a Pokémon]]'', Ash was revealed to have caught Caterpie as his first {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. He then caught his second Pokémon, {{AP|Pidgeotto}}, the following day after a brief {{pkmn|battle}} with {{AP|Pikachu}}. At the end of the episode, after defeating {{TRT}} in a battle, Caterpie evolved into {{p|Metapod}}.

The forest was also the setting of the [[EP004|following episode]]. While traveling through the forest, Ash spotted a {{p|Weedle}} and decided to catch it. He used Pidgeotto against it, but another {{pkmn|Trainer}} named [[Samurai]] arrived on scene and challenged Ash to a battle. Meanwhile, the Weedle escaped and Samurai rebuked Ash for it. The two then engaged themselves in a Pokémon battle, which got stuck for hours as their Metapod were unable to do anything but use {{m|Harden}}. All of sudden, a swarm of {{p|Beedrill}} arrived and carried Ash's Metapod away. Samurai took Ash, Misty, and their other Pokémon to a safe place, but not before running into group of {{p|Kakuna}} which promptly evolved and attacked them. The next day, Ash went and saved his Metapod from under the very same tree, having noticed him there the day before. Due Team Rocket's loud entrance, the Beedrill woke up and started chasing Ash. He apologized to Metapod for leaving him in trouble like that, after which he saved his Trainer from a Beedrill's {{m|Twineedle}} attack. Afterwards, he quickly evolved into a {{AP|Butterfree}} and saved Ash, Misty, and the samurai by putting the Beedrill asleep with {{m|Sleep Powder}}. At the end of the episode, Ash and Misty left Viridian Forest.

Later in the [[original series]], Ash released his newly evolved {{AP|Pidgeot}} near Viridian Forest in ''[[EP081|Pallet Party Panic]]''. As the group went through Viridian Forest, Ash and his friends were attacked by a flock of {{p|Spearow}}. The flock's leader was a {{AP|Fearow}}, which apparently [[Evolution|evolved]] from the Spearow that Ash hit with a rock on [[EP001|the first day of his journey]]. Ash climbed a tree to escape and found Team Rocket with a flock of {{p|Pidgey}} and {{p|Pidgeotto}} who were in a turf war with the flock of Spearow. After sending Team Rocket falling from tree as a bait for the Spearow, Ash sent out his own Pidgeotto to tell the other bird Pokémon that it was safe to leave. The Fearow then came back, however, and started attacking bird Pokémon. Ash's Pidgeotto tried to fight the Fearow, but was badly hurt. Instead of giving up, however, it then evolved into a {{AP|Pidgeot}}. Pidgeot and Pikachu then teamed up to defeat the Fearow and its minions. Ash also tried to catch the Fearow but failed, forcing them just to chase it away. Ash decided to {{pkmn2|released|leave}} Pidgeot in the forest to look after the Pidgey and Pidgeotto.

====Pokémon====
{| style="float:left; width:50%"
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Viridian Forest|Caterpie|Ash Caterpie Tackle.png|Bug|link=Ash's Caterpie}}
| {{InactivePoké|Viridian Forest|Pidgeot|Ash Pidgeot.png|Normal|Flying|link=Ash's Pidgeot||fir=Pidgeotto}}
| {{InactivePoké|Viridian Forest|Beedrill|Viridian Forest Beedrill.png|Bug|Poison|link=no|nick=Beedrill (multiple)}}
| {{InactivePoké|Viridian Forest|Weedle|Viridian Forest Weedle.png|Bug|Poison|link=no|nick=Weedle (multiple)}}
| {{InactivePoké|Viridian Forest|Kakuna|Viridian Forest Kakuna.png|Bug|Poison|link=no|nick=Kakuna (multiple)}}
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Viridian Forest|Spearow|Kanto Route 1 Spearow.png|Normal|Flying|link=no|nick=Spearow (multiple)}}
| {{InactivePoké|Viridian Forest|Fearow|Recurring Fearow anime.png|Normal|Flying|link=Ash's Fearow}}
| {{InactivePoké|Viridian Forest|Pidgey|Viridian Forest Pidgey.png|Normal|Flying|link=no|nick=Pidgey (multiple)}}
| {{InactivePoké|Viridian Forest|Pidgeotto|Viridian Forest Pidgey.png|Normal|Flying|link=no|nick=Pidgeotto (multiple)}}
|}{{-}}

[[File:Viridian Forest PG.png|thumb|250px|Viridian Forest in [[Pokémon Generations]]]]

===In Pokémon Generations===
Viridian Forest made an appearance in ''[[PG01|The Adventure]]'', where {{ga|Red}} was seen encountering a {{p|Pikachu}}. After sending out his {{p|Bulbasaur}}, he caught {{ga|Red's Pikachu|Pikachu}} with a single {{ball|Poké}}. Afterwards, Red used Pikachu to battle a wild {{p|Caterpie}} as {{p|Zapdos}} flew by.
{{-}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Many important people were born in or near the forest, including [[Lance]], {{adv|Giovanni}}, and {{adv|Yellow}}. It is said that once every ten years, a child is born possessing the mysterious powers of the forest. Lance and Yellow both share the power to heal {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} using physical touch as well as the ability to read the minds of Pokémon. In addition, Yellow can also move inanimate objects, namely [[Poké Ball]]s, as well as raise her Pokémon's [[level]]s using the power of Viridian Forest (although this power seems involuntary and temporary). Giovanni has yet to display any special powers.

The forest is first visited in ''[[PS003|The Secret of Kangaskhan]]'' in the {{chap|Red, Green & Blue}} by {{adv|Red}} and {{adv|Blue}}. In their search for Pokémon, they encounter a wild {{p|Kangaskhan}} and its baby. Upon Red's return to Viridian City via the forest, he saves a young Yellow from being attacked by a wild {{p|Dratini}}.

In the {{chap|Yellow}}, the forest was the first place Yellow visited after she had assumed guardianship of [[Pika]]. She met {{adv|Bill}} inside the forest, and not long after, both were attacked by [[Lorelei]]. However, {{adv|Green}} helped them escape. Much later, Green also revealed that she was the one who set Yellow off on her journey after meeting her at Viridian Forest, recognizing her as not only having met Red who had disappeared, but also as the one that fit the criteria given to her by {{adv|Silver}}. After teaching her the basics of battling, Green gave a straw hat to Yellow, telling her to disguise herself as a boy and not to reveal her name.

==Trivia==
* In {{v2|Yellow}} and {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Pidgeotto}} can be found in the forest, most likely to represent [[Ash's Pidgeotto|the events of the anime]]. However, they are [[level]] 9 and 7, respectively; normally {{p|Pidgey}} evolves at level 18.
* Despite the forest returning as a standalone area in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, the background music is a remix of ''[[Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection#Disc 3|Viridian Forest]]'' (Japanese: {{tt|トキワのもり|Tokiwa no Mori}}) from [[Generation II]], used on {{rt|2|Kanto}}, with Route 2 in HeartGold and SoulSilver given ''[[Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection|Route 3]]'' (Japanese: {{tt|３ばんどうろ|sanban dōro}}) as the background music, which is also used for most other [[route]]s in [[Kanto]] on both Generation II and HeartGold and SoulSilver. Incidentally, Generation II's version of ''Viridian Forest'', used on Route 2, was in itself a remix of ''[[Game Boy: Entire Pokémon Sounds Collection CD|Viridian Forest]]'' (Japanese: {{tt|トキワの森|Tokiwa no Mori}}) from [[Generation I]].
* The internal layout of [[Santalune Forest]] in [[Pokémon X and Y]] is nearly identical to that of Viridian Forest.
** In addition, every Pokémon found in Viridian Forest in {{game|Red and Green|s}} and the international version of {{game|Red and Blue|s}} can also be found in Santalune Forest.

==In other languages==
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|zh_yue=常青森林 ''Sèuhngchīng Sāmlàhm''
|zh_cmn=常青森林 ''Chángqīng Sēnlín''{{tt|*|Games}} 常磐森林 ''Chángpán Sēnlín''{{tt|*|Anime, Adventures (Ching-Win Publishing, Jilin Publishing first edition)}} 常盘森林 ''Chángpán Sēnlín''{{tt|*|Adventures (Jilin Publishing new edition)}}
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|fi=Viridianin metsä
|fr_ca=Forêt de Jade
|fr_eu=Forêt de Jade
|da=Viridian skov
|de=Vertania-Wald
|it=Bosco Smeraldo
|no=Viridian-skogen
|ko=상록숲 ''Sangnok Sup''
|pl=Las Wertański
|pt_br=Floresta de Viridiana{{tt|*|anime}} Floresta de Viridian{{tt|*|manga, Pokémon Generations}} Floresta Viridian{{tt|*|The Official Pokémon Handbook}}
|es_eu=Bosque Verde
|es_la=Bosque Verde Bosque Viridian{{tt|*|EP004 in recap, SS003, DP080}}
|sv=Viridian-skogen
|vi=Rừng Tokiwa
}}

==Related articles==
* [[Viridian Forest (Channel)]]

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Pokémon Mansion (Kanto)

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{{Infobox location
|image=FL Pokemon Mansion.png
|image_size=240
|type=ruins
|mapdesc=A decrepit, burned-down mansion on Cinnabar Island. It got its name because a famous Pokémon researcher lived there.
|location_name=Pokémon Mansion
|japanese_name=ポケモン{{tt|屋敷|やしき}}
|translated_name=Pokémon Mansion
|location=[[Cinnabar Island]]
|region=Kanto
|generation={{Gen|I}}, {{Gen|III}}, {{Gen|VII}}
|map=Kanto Cinnabar Island Map.png
}}

The '''Pokémon Mansion''' (Japanese: '''ポケモン{{tt|屋敷|やしき}}''' ''Pokémon Mansion'') is a decrepit, burned-down mansion on [[Cinnabar Island]]. It got its name because a famous Pokémon researcher once lived there.

==In the games==
In [[Generation]]s {{gen|I}}, {{gen|III}}, and {{gen|VII}}, the {{player}} has to enter the mansion and find the {{ka|Secret Key}} at its basement to access the [[Cinnabar Gym|Cinnabar Island Gym]]. The abandoned building is full of {{tc|Burglar}}s and {{tc|Scientist}}s, looting whatever valuable they can find.

The Pokémon Mansion has four different floors. Doors can be unlocked in the mansion by pressing switches hidden in statues scattered around the building. In Generations I and III, there is a balcony on 3F with two possible points to jump down from, with the eastern one leading back to 2F and the western one leading to 1F and allowing the player to access B1F, while in Generation VII, the western balcony is the only possible way down, and it is utilized by climbing down a ladder instead of jumping. In Generation VII only, there are beds at the basement, which the player can rest in, fully healing their entire [[party]]. In Generations I and III, there is an exit at the southeast corner of 1F, which transports the player back to the front door of the mansion, while in Generation VII, it is replaced by a one-way [[warp tile|warp panel]] that serves the same purpose.

Amongst the rubble and wreckage are journal entries written by the scientist who obtained a {{p|Mew}} and cloned it to create {{p|Mewtwo}}. In Generation VII, there are also multiple glass containers likely used during said cloning process at the basement, the largest one of which shows signs of having been beaten on over and over from the inside.

The Pokémon Mansion, along with every other building on Cinnabar Island, is destroyed in the eruption of the Cinnabar Island volcano prior to the events of Generations {{gen|II}} and {{gen|IV}}, and as such, it no longer exists.

===Journal quotes===
{{main|Pokémon Mansion journals}}
A series of journal entries are scattered around the mansion. They appear to have been written by [[Mr. Fuji]] and detail the birth of Mewtwo.

===Items===
{{itlisth|ruins}}
{{Itemlist|Moon Stone|1F, on the fifth pillar northeast of the entrance ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Moon Stone|1F, one square north and and three squares west of the base of the northwesternmost pillar from the entrance ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Escape Rope|1F, in-between the row of pillars in the north area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Protein|1F, southeast of the [[Escape Rope]]|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Repel|1F, in the southwest corner of the northwest room|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|1F, in the room south of the row of pillars|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Lure|1F, under a table on the west side of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Silver Razz Berry|1F, north of the ladder from 3F|LP=yes|LE=yes|display=[[Silver Razz Berry]] ×5}}
{{Itemlist|Carbos|1F, near the stairs to B1F|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Fire Stone|1F, southwest of the stairs to B1F|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|2F, in the room south of the stairs from 1F|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Calcium|2F, in the northeast area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|2F, in the northeast area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Zinc|2F, on the balcony|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|2F, on the balcony|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|2F, in the southwest room|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Escape Rope|2F, in the middle area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Rock VI|2F, reward for defeating {{tc|Coach Trainer}} Rita|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{TM|22|Rock Slide}}}}
{{Itemlist|HP Up|2F, in the east area of the floor, accessible from the southernmost stairs on 3F|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Hyper Potion|2F, in the east area of the floor, accessible from the southernmost stairs on 3F|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|3F, in the southwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|3F, in the southwest area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|3F, seven squares north of the southwest corner of the floor, on the rubble ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Iron|3F, in the northeast area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|3F, in the middle north area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Dark VI|3F, in the northeast area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{TM|21|Foul Play}}}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|3F, far east of {{tc|Scientist}} Braydon, at the end of the path ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|X Accuracy|3F, far east of {{tc|Scientist}} Braydon, at the end of the path|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ice|B1F, east of the southernmost statue|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|14|Blizzard}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Poison VI|B1F, near the southernmost statue|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{TM|52|Sludge Bomb}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|B1F, in the southwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|B1F, in the southwest area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Elixir|B1F, eight squares east of the northeastern statue ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|B1F, in the northern area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ice|B1F, in the northern area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|14|Blizzard}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Grass|B1F, in the northwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|22|SolarBeam}}}}
{{Itemlist|Secret Key III|B1F, in the northwest area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ka|Secret Key}}}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|B1F, in the northwest area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Secret Key|B1F, in the west area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{ka|Secret Key}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Grass|B1F, in the west area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|22|SolarBeam}}}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|B1F, in the northwest corner of the area with the {{ka|Secret Key}} ''(hidden)'' ([[Broken hidden items|broken]] in Japanese {{2v2|Red|Green}})|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{itlistfoot|ruins}}

===Pokémon===
====Generation I====
{{catch/header|ruins|no}}
{{catch/div|ruins|1F}}
{{catch/entry1|019|Rattata|no|no|yes|1F|34, 37|35%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|020|Raticate|no|no|yes|1F|34, 37|25%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|037|Vulpix|no|yes|no|1F|34|10%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|058|Growlithe|yes|no|no|1F|34|10%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|058|Growlithe|no|no|yes|1F|26, 30, 34, 38|20%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|077|Ponyta|yes|yes|no|1F|28, 30, 32, 34|40%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|yes|no|no|1F|30|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|no|yes|no|1F|30, 32|40%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|no|no|yes|1F|23, 26|20%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|yes|no|no|1F|39|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|no|yes|no|1F|37|4%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|109|Koffing|yes|no|no|1F|30, 32|40%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|109|Koffing|no|yes|no|1F|30|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|110|Weezing|yes|no|no|1F|37|4%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|110|Weezing|no|yes|no|1F|39|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/div|ruins|2F}}
{{catch/entry1|019|Rattata|no|no|yes|2F|37, 40|35%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|020|Raticate|no|no|yes|2F|37, 40|25%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|037|Vulpix|no|yes|no|2F|32|25%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|058|Growlithe|yes|no|no|2F|32|25%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|077|Ponyta|yes|yes|no|2F|28, 30, 32|25%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|yes|no|no|2F|30|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|no|yes|no|2F|30, 34|40%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|no|no|yes|2F|26, 29, 32, 35|35%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|yes|no|no|2F|37|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|no|yes|no|2F|39|4%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|no|no|yes|2F|35, 38|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|109|Koffing|yes|no|no|2F|30, 34|40%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|109|Koffing|no|yes|no|2F|30|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|110|Weezing|yes|no|no|2F|39|4%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|110|Weezing|no|yes|no|2F|37|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/div|ruins|3F}}
{{catch/entry1|019|Rattata|no|no|yes|3F|40, 43|35%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|020|Raticate|no|no|yes|3F|40, 43|25%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|037|Vulpix|no|yes|no|3F|33|15%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|058|Growlithe|yes|no|no|3F|33|15%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|077|Ponyta|yes|no|no|3F|32, 34, 36|24%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|077|Ponyta|no|yes|no|3F|32, 36|14%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|yes|no|no|3F|34|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|no|yes|no|3F|31, 35|40%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|no|no|yes|3F|32, 35, 38|35%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|yes|no|no|3F|42|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|no|yes|no|3F|38, 40|15%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|no|no|yes|3F|38, 41|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|109|Koffing|yes|no|no|3F|31, 35|40%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|109|Koffing|no|yes|no|3F|34|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|110|Weezing|yes|no|no|3F|38, 40|15%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|110|Weezing|no|yes|no|3F|42|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|126|Magmar|no|yes|no|3F|34|10%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/div|ruins|B1F}}
{{catch/entry1|020|Raticate|no|no|yes|B1F|37, 40, 43, 46|40%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|037|Vulpix|no|yes|no|B1F|35|15%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|058|Growlithe|yes|no|no|B1F|35|15%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|077|Ponyta|yes|yes|no|B1F|32, 34|15%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|yes|no|no|B1F|35|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|no|yes|no|B1F|31, 33|50%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|088|Grimer|no|no|yes|B1F|35, 38|40%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|yes|no|no|B1F|42|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|no|yes|no|B1F|40|10%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|089|Muk|no|no|yes|B1F|41|10%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|109|Koffing|yes|no|no|B1F|31, 33|50%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|109|Koffing|no|yes|no|B1F|35|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|110|Weezing|yes|no|no|B1F|40, 42|14%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|110|Weezing|no|yes|no|B1F|42|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|126|Magmar|no|yes|no|B1F|38|4%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|no|no|yes|B1F|12, 18, 24|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/footer|ruins}}

====Generation III====
{{catch/header|ruins|no}}
{{catch/div|ruins|1F-3F}}
{{catch/entryfl|019|Rattata|yes|yes|1F-3F|26, 28|15%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|020|Raticate|yes|yes|1F-3F|32, 36|30%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|037|Vulpix|no|yes|1F-3F|30, 32|15%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entryfl|058|Growlithe|yes|no|1F-3F|30, 32|15%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entryfl|088|Grimer|yes|no|1F-3F|28|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|088|Grimer|no|yes|1F-3F|28, 30|30%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|089|Muk|no|yes|1F-3F|32|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|109|Koffing|yes|no|1F-3F|28, 30|30%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|109|Koffing|no|yes|1F-3F|28|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|110|Weezing|yes|no|1F-3F|32|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/div|ruins|B1F}}
{{catch/entryfl|019|Rattata|yes|yes|B1F|26|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|020|Raticate|yes|yes|B1F|34, 38|30%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|037|Vulpix|no|yes|B1F|30, 32|15%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entryfl|058|Growlithe|yes|no|B1F|30, 32|15%|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entryfl|088|Grimer|yes|no|B1F|28|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|088|Grimer|no|yes|B1F|28, 30|30%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|089|Muk|no|yes|B1F|34|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|109|Koffing|yes|no|B1F|28, 30|30%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|109|Koffing|no|yes|B1F|28|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|110|Weezing|yes|no|B1F|34|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|132|Ditto|yes|yes|B1F|30|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/footer|ruins}}

===Trainers===
====Generation I====
{{trainerheader|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr RG Burglar.png‎|Burglar||3060|2|004|Charmander||34|None|005|Charmeleon||34|None|}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr RG Burglar.png|Burglar||3420|1|038|Ninetales||38|None|}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr RG Scientist.png|Scientist||1650|3|081|Magnemite||33|None|082|Magneton||33|None|100|Voltorb||33|None|}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr RG Scientist.png‎|Scientist||1450|2|101|Electrode||29|None|110|Weezing||29|None|}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr RG Burglar.png|Burglar||3060|2|058|Growlithe||34|None|077|Ponyta||34|None|}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr RG Scientist.png|Scientist||1700|2|081|Magnemite||34|None|101|Electrode||34|None|}}
{{trainerfooter|ruins|1}}

====Generation III====
{{trainerheader|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr FRLG_Youngster.png|Youngster|Johnson|544|3|023|Ekans|♂|33|None|023|Ekans|♂|33|None|020|Raticate|♂|34|None|36=ユウリ|37=Yūri}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr FRLG Burglar.png|Burglar|Arnie|2992|2|004|Charmander|♂|34|None|005|Charmeleon|♂|34|None|36=トヨジ|37=Toyoji}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr FRLG Burglar.png|Burglar|Simon|3344|1|038|Ninetales|♀|38|None|36=ヤスノブ|37=Yasunobu}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr FRLG Scientist.png|Scientist|Braydon|1584|3|081|Magnemite||33|None|082|Magneton||33|None|100|Voltorb||33|None|36=アオバ|37=Aoba}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr FRLG Scientist.png|Scientist|Ted|1392|2|101|Electrode||29|None|110|Weezing|♂|29|None|36=ノブヒサ|37=Nobuhisa}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr FRLG Burglar.png|Burglar|Lewis|2992|2|058|Growlithe|♂|34|None|077|Ponyta|♂|34|None|36=エイタ|37=Eita}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|Spr FRLG Scientist.png|Scientist|Ivan|1632|2|081|Magnemite||34|None|101|Electrode||34|None|36=ヨシタカ|37=Yoshitaka}}
{{trainerfooter|ruins|FRLG}}

====Generation VII====
{{trainerheader|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|VSBurglar PE.png{{!}}90px|Burglar|Arnie|3,520|1|078|Rapidash|♀|44|None|36=|37=}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|VSCoach Trainer F PE.png{{!}}90px|Coach Trainer|Rita|4,700|3|075|Graveler|♂|46|None|051|Dugtrio|♂|46|None|062|Poliwrath|♀|47|None|36=|37=}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|VSBurglar PE.png{{!}}90px|Burglar|Simon|3,520|2|126|Magmar|♂|44|None|089|Muk|♂|44|None|36=|37=}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|VSScientist PE.png{{!}}90px|Scientist|Braydon|2,700|3|110|Weezing|♂|45|None|082|Magneton||45|None|126|Magmar|♀|45|None|36=|37=}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|VSAce Trainer M PE.png{{!}}90px|Ace Trainer|Louis|4,600|2|099|Kingler|♂|45|None|057|Primeape|♂|46|None|36=|37=}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|VSScientist PE.png{{!}}90px|Scientist|Ted|2,700|2|101|Electrode||45|None|089|Muk|♂|45|None|36=|37=}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|VSBurglar PE.png{{!}}90px|Burglar|Lewis|3,520|4|109|Koffing|♂|44|None|109|Koffing|♂|44|None|109|Koffing|♂|44|None|110|Weezing|♂|44|None|36=|37=}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{trainerentry|VSScientist PE.png{{!}}90px|Scientist|Ivan|2,700|1|125|Electabuzz|♂|45|None|36=|37=}}
{{trainerfooter|ruins|PE}}

===Layout===
====Inside design====
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|ruins}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ruins}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ruins}}" | 1F
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ruins}}" | 2F
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ruins}}" | 3F
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ruins}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | B1F
|-
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red}}
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Pokémon Mansion 1F RBY.png|150px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Pokémon Mansion 2F RBY.png|150px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Pokémon Mansion 3F RBY.png|150px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Pokémon Mansion B1F RBY.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{blue color}}" | {{color2|FFF|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}
|-
! style="background:#{{firered color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Pokémon Mansion 1F FRLG.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Pokémon Mansion 2F FRLG.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Pokémon Mansion 3F FRLG.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Pokémon Mansion B1F FRLG.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{leafgreen color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen}}
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ruins}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

====Outside design====
{{Mapgen
|hv=v
|colordark={{locationcolor/dark|ruins}}
|colorlight={{locationcolor/light|ruins}}
|genI=Pokémon Mansion RBY.png
|sizeI=96px
|genIII=Pokémon Mansion FRLG.png
|sizeIII=112px
}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Pokémon Mansion PO.png|thumb|250px|The Pokémon Mansion in [[Pokémon Origins]]]]
===In Pokémon Origins===
{{OBP|Red|Origins}} was seen visiting the Pokémon Mansion in ''[[PO03|File 3: Giovanni]]''. The Mansion used to be full of different kinds of Pokémon, but was now just an old, abandoned house. While exploring the Mansion, Red found a journal describing the discovery of {{p|Mew|a new species of Pokémon}}.

The Pokémon Mansion was also referenced in ''[[PO04|File 4: Charizard]]'', where Red recalled reading the entries in the journal, leading to him identifying the Pokémon {{OBP|Blue|Origins}} had recently fought against and lost to as {{p|Mewtwo}}, possibly created in the very same Mansion Red visited and found the journal from.
{{-}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Kanto Pokémon Mansion Adventures.png|thumb|220px|The Pokémon Mansion in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
The Pokémon Mansion made a brief appearance in ''[[PS026|Holy Moltres]]''. Multiple {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}s were seen raiding the building, searching for clues of [[Blaine]]'s whereabouts in order to find and punish him for leaving [[Team Rocket]].

In [[Pokémon Adventures]], instead of being burned-down and deserted, the Pokémon Mansion appears to be well-kept and habitable.
{{-}}

==Trivia==
* Some of the [[wild Pokémon]] found here in [[Generation I]] were moved to [[One Island]] in [[Generation III]], such as {{p|Ponyta}} and {{p|Magmar}}. In [[Generation VII]], due to the [[Sevii Islands]] being inaccessible, Magmar is available in here once again.
* In Generation I, it is possible to get stuck on 3F. This happens if the {{player}} stands on the east side of the table in the southwestern room and the {{tc|Burglar}} with a {{p|Ninetales}} then challenges them to a battle. After the battle, the player will be stuck in a corner, the Burglar blocking the way. If the player [[save]]s after this and doesn't have an [[Escape Rope]] or a Pokémon with {{m|Dig}}, the only way to escape is to [[Black out|white out]] by fighting wild Pokémon. The layout was changed in FireRed and LeafGreen, and it is no longer possible to get trapped.
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* In Generation VII, if the player brings a {{p|Mew}} or {{p|Mewtwo}} along as the [[walking Pokémon]] towards the cloning area of Pokémon Mansion, it will stop and stare at the largest cloning container, and interacting with it will have the dialogue box state that it is staring quietly at the machine.

==In other languages==
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|zh_cmn=寶可夢屋 / 宝可梦屋 ''{{tt|Pokémon Wū|Pokémon House}}'' {{tt|*|Games, Manga (mainland China new Jilin edition)}} 神奇寶貝屋 / 神奇宝贝屋 ''{{tt|Shénqí Bǎobèi Wū|Pokémon House}}'' {{tt|*|Manga (Taiwan and mainland China old Jilin edition)}} 宠物小精灵大院 ''{{tt|Chǒngwù Xiǎojīnglíng Dàyuàn|Pocket Monster Mansion}}'' {{tt|*|Manga (mainland China Light Industry Press edition)}}
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|de=Pokémon-Villa ({{gen|VII}}) Pokémon-Haus ({{gen|I}}-{{gen|III}})
|it=Villa Pokémon
|ko=포켓몬저택 ''Pokémon Jeotaek''
|pt_br=Mansão Pokémon
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|vi=Dinh thự Pokémon}}

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User talk:GrammarFreak01/Archive 2

2018-11-20T16:46:52Z

EternalDragonX: /* Hyperbola - Some Clarifications & Questions */

*[[User talk:GrammarFreak01/Archive 1]] (November 2013 – June 2018)

== Erica124 ==

Hi again. I see that you are still attempting to tell Erica124 about the wrongs they are doing on Bulbapedia. However, I believe that you are wasting your time since they're not responding to your comments and are ignoring you. After seeing ForceFire's replies, I honestly think you should just leave her to the staff now since while I do praise you for attempting to stop it, your messages aren't working since they are being ignored. This isn't your fault but I think you really don't have to stop them. I would be grateful if you could reply on this matter. Thank You!! (This comment was originally on your Archive Page but was moves) '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 09:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

:Well, what are they going to do? She's managed to circumvent another ban by not editing frequently, as Force Fire informed me. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 09:39, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

::They're clearly not looking at their talk page. This means that your comments are proving to be pointless. So just to save you the hassle, since only ForceFire and other staff can deal with them, your comments (which I'm certainly not saying you shouldn't do) are not making an impact. Some people refuse to listen, regardless of persuasion. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 09:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

:::What else am I supposed to do? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 15:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

::::I would suggest to not do anything. The more you go on about them, the less likely ForceFire will stop them. You'll just be annoying ForceFire with the repetitive comments, so I would suggest to do nothing (It doesn't leave a good impression) and let ForceFire deal with them. Don't worry, justice will be brought to them eventually. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 17:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

== Empty sections ==

Please do not add empty "Errors" sections to manga pages like [[Special:Diff/2814810|here]].

I'd like to also ask why you thought those empty sections should be added? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:25, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:I remember a while back that I was removing empty sections from anime episodes, only for those edits to be undone and for me to be warned that these sections should remain. I think it was along those lines, but I don't remember the exact details of the conversation anymore and I couldn't find the discussion on my archived talk page. Anyway, after that, I even added empty section headers to several anime episode articles and those edits weren't undone, so I thought it was okay. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:29, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
::Well, with that little information I don't know what to tell you. Except that it's not ''really'' hurting anything even if some pages have errors and some don't. Adding it is just busywork and doesn't especially improve anything. You don't need to fuss about things like that that aren't crucial. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::If you insist. But by that logic, wouldn't the Trivia sections go as well? I notice they weren't deleted by you and Ht14 during the mass deletion. Is there supposed to be something special about them? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:59, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
::::We weren't focusing on it. It's not worth editing pages either just to change that part either way. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:03, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Alright, then... [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:03, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

== Editing ==

Hey GrammarFreak01! I was wondering if you would be interested in helping out at the Archives. See, there's a lot that needs to be organized - if you're interested, let me know here. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:49, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

:My apologies, but what are the Archives? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
::The Archives is the image repository for Bulbagarden (which includes Bulbapedia). [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:51, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Image repository, huh? Well, it depends. What exactly am I organizing? Just stuff in general? I'm not sure if I know what I'll be doing... [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:52, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
::::Here you'll be adding categories to files - the intent is that someone searching for a specific image will be able to do so by navigating through categories. If you're curious to see how it looks like, navigate to the homepage and click on Archives (there's a grey bulb on it). [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:56, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Okay, I'll check it out and get back to you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

== Welcoming users ==

Hello, I see that you're welcoming users who last contributed anywhere from [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/AlurineMelduene four years ago] to [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Origamigryphon nearly 11 years ago]! Honestly, that's not necessary. Please only welcome users who have been recently contributing, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:45, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

:Sorry, I was a little bored and didn't know what to do at the time. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:45, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::That is not acceptable - there are many other things to do at the wiki. If you don't know what to edit, take a break and come back to it later. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I'm trying to do something. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:47, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

== Edit quality ==

Please remember to make quality edits when editing a page. Don't look for something to edit on a page just because you're there.

* [[Special:Diff/2815878|Adding spaces]] that are absolutely unnoticeable...is not a quality edit, certainly not when that's the ONLY thing you do.
* [[Special:Diff/2816092|Tweaking image sizes]] is also a type of edit you've been told to not do before. You've been doing this quite a bit at least recently. I'm giving you a reminder this time, but if you pick up the habit again, we may take other action.

Please remember: '''quality''' over quantity. If there's nothing worthwhile, leave it, don't push it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

:Fine. >:( [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:14, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

...[[Special:Diff/2821863|This sort of thing]] is, once again, '''not''' a quality edit. It is, in fact, a very pointless edit that changes absolutely nothing.

If that is all you have to do on a page... DON'T.

I'm confused how that's so difficult a concept to grasp. If there's nothing that needs changing, ''leave it be''. You've been told about this before, and—again—it shouldn't be difficult. I'm becoming tempted to turn to a block if you keep failing to grasp it, in order to make the point better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:50, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

:...Um...it's pointless code. It should be removed. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
::'''It changes nothing''' about the page's appearance. "Do. Not. Make. Pointless. Edits." We've been through [[User talk:GrammarFreak01/Archive 1#Pointless edits|exactly this issue]] before. Please absorb it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:57, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:::You're making this really hard for me. If it changes nothing about the page's appearance, why is it there in the first place? It's like a vandal edit; it's useless and therefore should be removed. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:59, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
::::It's not important why it's there in the first place. What's at issue is ''your'' edits.
::::Leave it alone if that's all you have to do on a page. This isn't that hard. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:07, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Let's see what Abcboy says about it. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:48, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Edit Stalking ==

Dear GrammarFreak01,

Understand that none of your actions are exactly covert. It is very apparent that you are stalking my edits and have been for an extended period of time. While I have requested that you stop, I am again telling you to stop. I don't like your obsession with having the current revision of a page, as noted before the pages you are editing had issues long before I bothered to look at them. You clearly have time on your hands and there are many other episode and anime based pages that require attention. If you wish to assist then that is great, but follow your own course as I've seen the pages you have edited, you are literally moving information around to achieve the latest edit. You have been warned about these kind of edits multiple times before, by myself and other users, yet you continue to ignore the warnings make pointless edits that don't really add anything to a page. The incessant comments on my user page feels like beratement and I feel that you undermine anything I do, so please do not continue such conduct.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 02:49, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

:Care to give examples where my edits were absolutely unnecessary and done with malicious intent against you? As far as I'm concerned, you're still repeating a number of the same mistakes that I warned you about before, and that's what I've been rectifying. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

::After the discussion you and Mikuri had, and following on Tiddlywinks latest warnings surely you would realize your actions cannot continue. In [[Mossdeep City]]'s case you literally deleted links, and in other cases like the latest on Hau'oli City you added minor words that make little difference. All of the episode plot pages up to [[EP139]] have been altered by you, and in most cases because I edited the plots first when they were problematic to begin with. I stopped editing the plots because of your editing. I re-watched the episodes and that's how I picked up the details I am adding to the pages I have edited, because the information we have written in the unedited plots is in some cases hard to follow and omits the details, and in some cases is completely wrong.

::Our focuses are very different, I enjoy adding detail to areas which require it, while you enjoy editing. But our goals are the same, to ensure a franchise that we both have personal sentiments for is perfectly described and investigated. Given your ability to write, I and others would prefer to see you add information because at least it would be to your liking and hopefully grammatically correct, plus we can collaborate and not step on each other's toes.

::Adding and writing up entire sections is a difficult task, and most times you aren't going to get it completely right. But having someone just come through and making minor edits immediately after takes the shine off of that work. There are plenty of the older pages that could use a freshen up and are missing information. Would you be prepared to help with that task and collaborate with other users like myself, maybe MIkuri and other users who regularly contribute to the anime pages?[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:21, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

== Userspage? ==

This is not a piece of criticism or request, but I've just been wondering if you've ever considered creating your own userspage? It'd honestly be nice to know more about you, especially since you've been here for a good while now. Could you even consider doing it at some point? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:48, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

:Is it a requirement? I noticed Playerking95 has been here longer than me and he doesn't have a userpage. Either way, I'll think about it, but I can't imagine making it stand out. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:55, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

::It isn't a requirement, per say, but most users who have been here for multiple years tend to have their own userpages. And if you do end up creating one, it doesn't have to stand out. All that matters is that you yourself are satisfied with it. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:10, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

:::Well, I'll still think about it. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:12, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

== SM083 synopsis ==

I'm sorry. I had been editing the episode synopsis on [[SM083]] simultaneously with you, and I, the stubborn person I sometimes am, refused to let my efforts go unnoticed, so I overwrote your edit with my own. Feel free to make any edits you feel are necessary now. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:42, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

:It's alright. Don't worry about it. It was actually {{U|PardescanSlowbro}} who was trying to do all the heavy lifting, so maybe you should notify him. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:43, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

::Actually, I '''was''' going to do just that in my edit summary, pointing out that not ALL synopsises need a complete rewrite, but then your edit happened and I was thrown into a loop. I'm not good at adapting to sudden changes, you see. But yeah. If you still see anything fix-worthy on the page, feel free to fix it. Although I doubt there'll be a bit less of that now that I've already gone over it once. And double yeah, I think I'll notify PS at some point. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

:::Well, there probably was something in there that needed a rewrite. But I digress. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 09:10, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

== Asked me to contact you ==

Hey you asked me to contact you regarding '''Save data structure in Generation I''' page
[[User:Junebug12851|Junebug12851]] ([[User talk:Junebug12851|talk]]) 15:47, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

:No, I didn't. I just welcomed you. Unless you have a question for me, which in this case I am unable to provide a good answer for you because I have absolutely no inkling about save data structure. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:13, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

:: Ah sorry, thanks then ^_^ [[User:Junebug12851|Junebug12851]] ([[User talk:Junebug12851|talk]]) 19:31, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

:::You're welcome. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:32, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

== What did I do wrong? ==

GrammarFreak01, I just got your message. Would it be alright if I ask what I did wrong? All I did was edit a page, and I fixed grammar issues. The last thing I want to do is corrupt a page, and I don't feel like I did. I also think your message came out a little harsh, I'm a new user, and I read all the rules and regulations. I love this wiki, and all I want to do is improve it I'm a very hard worker, and I read the entire article, just fixing grammar problems while following the Bulbapedia rules. I looked at the page after my edits. I did not see anything wrong with the page. I worked really hard on the editing, and it hurt me when you said it was "absolutely incorrect, and that it messed up the article". Also what do you mean "Don't go around changing them." I didn't change anything on the page, I edited, which was specifically stated from you "Have fun editing here" I looked at my changes after, and I didn't see the article messed up. It was the exact same, besides my grammar changes, but the page is the same. All I'm asking for is for you to specifically say what was wrong. Please Don't just say that it was wrong, and the page was different. PLEASE BE SPECIFIC. I hope I didn't come out harsh, that's not who I am, but working 2 plus hours reading, and helping edit the page, and your comment hurt my feelings.

([[User:FitzSimmons5423|FitzSimmons5423]] ([[User talk:FitzSimmons5423|talk]]) 23:46, 29 July 2018 (UTC))

== Ash's Pikachu ==

You need to know that you should not delete the incomplete notice that I put on that page again. The gallery is for images of every impression and that was one of them. Deleting something important is vandalism. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 09:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

:I apologize for that. I was actually trying to undo someone else's edits because they inserted nonexistent or incorrect templates to another section of the article. I don't know how your edit was also included, but I really do apologize for that. I wasn't trying to vandalize the article or anything. Also, I apologize for taking this long to respond; I was out on a family vacation for a few days. I hope you didn't interpret my delay in responding as something malicious. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:26, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

==Thanks==
I have to admit Grammar and spelling isn't my cup of tea so appreciate you changing things I write so it makes more sense.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

:You're welcome. :) [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 15:14, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

==Removing episode lists of Japanese Voice Actor and Actress?==
Hello, I want to ask you. Why you erase all the episode article that I have put it specially that the characters that the voice actor and actress had voiced? Is it an offends or unnecessary If so, please reply back, Thank you. [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 13:02, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
:I know you're asking GrammarFreak01 but personally I feel there it little point, if the voice actor voiced the character in every single episode, its not needed.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:01, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
::Adding onto that, the same goes for movies. Episodes and movies only get listed on the right side of a human if the human's title is something generic like "Announcer". As for Pokemon, seeing as multiple Pokemon of the same species appear numerous times with different voice actors, they have episodes listed next to them to distinguish which Pokemon from episode that voice actor voiced. If a Pokemon only appeared once in the anime, then I guess it doesn't need an episode or movie code next to it, because only one person voices it. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 14:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
:::What they said. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:37, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

==Hey==
Sorry about all the trouble I cause by create VA pages, just noticed that before, you create new ones though me and another member had already made them. Do you have plans on doing one for Rosie Reyes?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:14, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

:It's alright. I do apologize for my increasingly agitated attitude about it as well, but I do get that way whenever it feels like my comments or advice are being ignored. Anyway, I do not have any plans for that article because I checked her filmography a short while back and it looks like she hasn't done anything outside of the Pokémon anime. Therefore, her article would've looked pathetically short and I want to avoid making VA articles like that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
::Eddy Lee certainly looks worthy of one in the near future, think I'll leave the VA pages to you from now one.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:20, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
:::It's okay, you can work on the VA pages too. I don't want to feel like I'm hogging the task of creating all the English VA articles and barring others from doing so through perceived intimidation. I just expect the work to be a bit more complete compared to what you were doing before, and for the articles to adhere to the basic rules that were laid out by [[Bulbapedia:Project VA]]. It does bug me if it feels like there are some obvious holes to fill. You get my drift? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:27, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
::::Best thing I can do with the VA pages is add what roles they voice when Lisa Ortiz gets round to sending the cast lists which will hopefully be soon when she isn't so busy.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:38, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::Okay, I guess that sounds reasonable. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::Any plans on giving Robby Duncan Sharpe a page, he seems worthy of one. https://myanimelist.net/people/11040/Robby_Sharpe--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Yep, he looks good to me. :) [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:09, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::::No doubt the page was better than most of my other pages to begin with.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::You still forgot a category, though. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 16:13, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

== Capture ==

FYI you don't need to change "capture" to "catch". Both words are used with decent frequency in the games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:34, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

:I was under the impression that "capture" is for the Pokémon Ranger games and "catch/caught" is for the core series games. I recall someone else being insistent on that terminology. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:50, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

==Hey==
Spoke to abcboy about possible mainspace articles, was wondering if you could provide a bit more assistance with [[User:BigDocFan/Oranguru (anime)]] when you get a chance. Abcboy's words were ''Oranguru generally seems good, but you should proofread History and re-write the second paragraph there; it's a bit rough.''--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:31, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

:Hope you're okay with copy-and-pasting. The material at [[Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime]] looks so good to me that I think it can just be transferred. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
::If the admin are fine with it, I am. Just tried to make it my own words. Thanks--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:45, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. I'll try to work on it later. Have some errands to do IRL. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Was wondering if you might be able to Singaporean with a few of his pages. [[User:Singaporean/Jun_Fukuyama]]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
:Did you mean to say "help"? In that case, I don't think I want to do that right now. I got on his bad side very recently and he thinks I'm harassing him, so I will distance myself from his work for now, until it gets moved to the mainspace, that is. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 15:22, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

== May and Max's brother ==

We should only add that May and Birch haven't mentioned Brendan because Norman's kids are only May and Max. May doesn't have any brother but Max in the anime. From, Sean 00:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC) {{unsigned|PokéSean}}

:We don't know if Brendan's appearances in the anime are actually canon or not. This all seems speculative, so I wouldn't support an inclusion of that material. Also, please leave your signature using four tildes (~). [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

==Unsigned Comments==
Hi,

Don't forget to mark unsigned comments, like the one from {{u|PokéSean}} above, with the <nowiki>{{unsigned|username}}</nowiki> template, as per the Bulbapedia {{bp|Signature Policy}}. I've went ahead and done that one for you.

Thanks

[[User:RotaRaichu|RotaRaichu]] ([[User talk:RotaRaichu|talk]]) 07:08, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

:Sorry, my bad. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 17:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

==Hi==
Was wondering if you could help with my newest page for mainspacing as voice actor pages appear to be your specialty. [[User:BigDocFan/Ayano_Shibuya]]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:46, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

:Sure thing. :) [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 16:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks, learnt my lesson from the other pages, best to get it checked before mainspacing.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::That's great to know. :D [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 16:58, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Definitely easier to work with fellow members than compete so to speak--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:54, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Can't argue with that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:01, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:When you get a chance, can you take a look at [[User:BigDocFan/Kiyomitsu_Mizuuchi]].--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
::Of course. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:41, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks. Do you think they are worthy of being mainspaced yet or in the near future?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 20:56, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
::::I think so. They fulfill the requirements at [[Bulbapedia:Project VA]]. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:56, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Rather pleased that two more of my pages have been mainspaced. No doubt many more to come in future.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::I see. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
:Me again, would you mind giving [[User:BigDocFan/Shinya_Fukumatsu]] the once over and let me know if it can be mainspaced.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
::Everything looks fine, save for one little polishing touch I did. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 16:32, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
:Hey, thanks for your help with Hau's Dartrix, I know it hasn't appeared in Japan yet but getting things ready. No doubt my recent Japanese voice actor pages are better than they were before.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:47, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
::You're welcome. :) [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:50, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

== Recent edits ==

Stop saying Ultra form, as I explained here: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pikachu_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=prev&oldid=2848043 [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 18:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

:Yeah, I just saw that. Sorry. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:01, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

== Pointless edits, once again ==

There was absolutely no need for you to make [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Azelf_(anime)&curid=92442&diff=2849298&oldid=964486 this (and related) edits], '''absolutely''' no need. The page was last edited in '''2009''', and the change you made did '''not''' affect how the page will look. Seriously, how ''did'' you find that? No one is expected to find that sort of thing. And yes, there are inconsistencies with the captialisations of redirect links, but so what? It's not like it'll stop it from redirecting, it'll still redirect the page. It'd doesn't matter. No one will care. '''''Leave it'''''. You have a record of making small miniscule edits that does not affect the page. And you have been warned many times over this. If it '''does NOT''' affect how the page '''looks''', there's no need to fuss over it. Leave it be.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:03, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

==Abareru-kun==
Was wondering if you think Abareru-kun was worthy of a voice actor page. Had a go at doing one myself but don't feel so comfortable doing this one.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:27, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

:No, doesn't look like it. Sorry. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 16:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
::Decided from now on to leave all the voice actor pages to you, make things easier that way.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 20:03, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh, come on, don't say that. I think you can do it. It's all just a matter of evaluating which characters actually qualify as being notable. I'd say the character would be notable if they play a major in two or more episodes. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:31, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:Decided to give it a go but following Force Fire's comments, decided to mainspace first and ask you to give it a look over. If it still needs work doing, it can remain on my userspace until a time it is ready. Can you take a look at my latest one? [[User:BigDocFan/Ryota Iwasaki]]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:06, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::Yeah, sure. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:38, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

== American Gramar ==

Hi. After seeing your change to my edit on Guardian Deities and the change to the spelling on "Color/Colour". Is American English usually preferred when editing articles? I feel like you'd know more that I do. (I also live in the UK so it's normal to me) Cheers '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 14:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

:I see American English here more often that UK English (forgot what that one was actually called), so I presume so. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 17:53, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

::Cheers '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 22:45, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

==Rebecca Becker==
Was wondering if you could assist me with [[User:BigDocFan/Rebecca Becker]], I know her only confirmed role so far is [[Mimo]] but with her name appearing in other episodes without Mimo, there may come a time where she is notable enough for her own page.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
:Could you also give [[User:BigDocFan/Kazuyuki_Okitsu]] a look over please?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 18:01, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
::Sorry, but if he's voicing a [[character of the day]], then this VA is not inherently notable. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Could you give [[User:BigDocFan/Lori Phillips]]. She may not be notable just yet but we never know.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:43, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
::::I think she's notable. But I'm still a bit hesitant because I believe Lori Phillips may be a pseudonym for [[Lori Gardner]] due to certain overlaps in their filmographies. I'm just not sure... [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Good point there, I shall ask Lisa Ortiz whether or not they are the same.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 05:58, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::Heard back from Lisa Ortiz, long story short, she won't confirm any pseudonyms.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Well then, you can go on ahead with the article, since Phillips voices a recurring character, but I'm still suspicious. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:51, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Will do, we can easily merge the articles if it ever gets revealed they are the same. What about Rebecca Becker?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 18:52, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::She'll work too, since she has a few other roles to her name. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:57, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}Just a shame we can't do much for Rosie Reyes. There is a page in progress ([[User:Super10ZX/Rosie_Reyes]]) but little information to mainspace it.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 20:06, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:Indeed. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:09, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
::Sorry to keep bothering you but I may have found the information needed to mainspace it. Can you take a look?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 20:48, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Sure. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:39, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

== Not-up-to-standards Messages ==

You have left not-up-to-standards messages on several Sun and Moon episode pages, though with no context as to what the issue or issues may be. I have only edited the [[SM075]] plot summary, only seeing a few missing links, but the details are there. Most of these pages had already been edited by other users in response to FinnishPokeFan92's messages, but I need to ask what is of issue to warrant such messages? [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 00:48, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

:Some remaining spelling and grammatical errors, as well as redirect or broken links. I was planning on taking care of them, but I was very tired so I left those tags as reminders for myself and anyone else interested in doing some more polishing work. Plus, doing any kind of edit to those articles would help put it or update it on my email watchlist as a further reminder. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 03:06, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

::I keep a to-do list in a Word Document, which helps me keep track of potential editing projects. You could try the same to save putting alerts onto pages. Thanks for the explanation, I'll leave those summaries and pages to you. I look forward to seeing the results, and hopefully I can apply those to my future edits.

::On another note, thanks for the work you have been doing on the voice actor pages. I know many other users are also glad to see what was a seemingly abandoned area of Bulbapedia getting some attention. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:48, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

:::It helps me better if I receive email alerts on recent edits on pages that I have already edited, so I could preview the changes and see what needs changing. But thanks for the suggestion. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:22, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

::::Hi GrammarFreak01, I was wondering when you were planning on working on the episode plots and removing the alerts? Without any context no one else can think of what to do to edit and therefore rectify the issues with them in their current form, and as I found when I performed some minor edits on SM075 a few weeks ago you will likely reinstate those messages. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 06:33, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

:::::There are so many articles that I have to take care of, so I don't know for sure. You can ask other users to help pitch in. I'm sure users like {{U|Force Fire}} and {{U|Tiddlywinks}} will see what needs fixing. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

== Your revision on the EP81 page ==

Hi, I noticed that you reverted my edit on the said page. Mind if I ask why you did that because I personally thought it was better grammar that way.
[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 22:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

:My bad, I didn't read the sentence the whole way through while previewing it. My reversion has been reverted now. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:43, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

== My edits on Arbok and Weezing ==

Hi, I want to ask why you reverted my edits on the Arbok and Weezing pages? I don't want to edit war with you since I got in trouble with it a couple of times, but if you revert my edits, can you at least explain why because I was only trying to improve the pages! [[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 00:24, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

:Too wordy. It was fine as it is. And always preview your messages before you submit them. That way you don't have to sign every time after you submit a message. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:25, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::Right, thanks. But can't I at least add back when Arbok and Weezing refused to attack the Pokemon at the palace since it is an indication of their good in them? I personally think it's useful information--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 00:29, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

:::The sections already describe that. There's no need for more details. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:30, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::Can I take this to admin to see what they think?--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 00:31, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

:::::Why? This is undisputed. There's no need to do that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:33, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::::What do you mean undisputed?--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 00:34, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

:::::::Don't the sections already say that material you're suggesting? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:35, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::::::Well I personally don't understand why it's such a big deal is adding something interesting from the anime that describes their personalities. There's nothing wrong with having more than one example of describing their persona.--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 00:37, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

:::::::::One example suffices. We're not going to mention every last example of this, or be selective about it just because it sounds interesting and cool. That's going to bore the readers if they realize they're reading a blocky paragraph that's nothing more than a list. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:40, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::::::::Well if that's the case, than can we add this anime event on their History sections? What you just said to me was all you had to tell me when you reverted it.--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 00:42, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

:::::::::::Only if the Pokémon and their actions played a major role in the episodes you're mentioning. The "History" sections are selective based on the episodes a character played an important role in. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::::::::::Ok. Argument over.--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 00:47, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Alright. Also, I will have to reiterate, ''please'' preview your messages before you send them. I'm trying to write my responses but I always get locked into an edit conflict while submitting them because of your fixes and additions. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:49, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I'm sorry about that. I will admit this, my edits are not perfect and that is a habit I need to work on especially on wikis like this, and I don't want to put any weight on your back.--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 00:52, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::It's alright. It honestly didn't help me that another user was contacting me at the same time as you. Just be mindful of the preview button for next time. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:54, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::: I will try to keep that in mind next time. And hey, I'm still learning here, but who isn't?--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 00:56, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

== Re: Sockpuppet account ==

Hello,

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say I'm using a sockpuppet. Doondook is a friend of mine, I don't control his posting but we do collaborate sometimes. An admin can check our IPs.

Best wishes,

Bogavante

{{unsigned|Bogavante}}

:{{U|Abcboy}} certainly didn't seem to believe that. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:41, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::Ah, so you suggest I have a chat with him? Not sure if I'm being sanctioned by admins or anything. {{unsigned|Bogavante}}

:::I informed Abcboy, the admin who blocked you, about your claims. He will be the judge of that. For now, you're not sanctioned. Read your talk page; we filled you in on this already. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:47, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::Yeah thanks, really appreciate it. So who are you, are you a moderator here at Bulbapedia? {{unsigned|Bogavante}}

:::::No, just a dedicated longtime user with a keen eye for things. I'm not able to personally sanction you or anything. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:51, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::::Ah yes, a fair thing that you can't sanction. How did you get information that I was allegedly sockpuppeting? Just curious about the whole affair. {{unsigned|Bogavante}}

:::::::Because I saw that Abcboy blocked the Doondook account and his reasoning for doing so. As the one who welcomed Doondook, I thought I'd send you a warning about that since you yourself weren't blocked. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:53, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::::::I get what you're saying now. So Doondook's account was blocked? Well that's an incorrect block which should be looked into by another admin. Is there any kind of structure set up by which we can get in contact with a higher member of the administration team about the issue? {{unsigned|Bogavante}}

:::::::::You ''just'' realized the Doondook account was blocked? Abcboy and I messaged you about that; do you not check your talk page? Anyway, like I said before, I informed Abcboy about your message. I am not aware of any structure to get in contact with a higher member of the administration. From my understanding, Abcboy is one of the higher members of the administration as it is already. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:17, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

::::::::::Yes, because there's no word in the messages you guys sent which says he was blocked. I wasn't aware of it until now - it makes the mistake more serious in terms of consequences. You don't see a possible conflict of interest in this? The exact person accusing us wrongly of breaking the rules should not be the one to arbitrate the issue. Nothing personally against him, I'm sure he's a very nice guy and happened to make a mistake, but for the sake of transparency and accountability the dispute should be handled by another pair of eyes. {{unsigned|Bogavante}}

:::::::::::Well, just so you know now, whenever we talk about a sockpuppet in any capacity, there's a 100% chance the account in question was blocked. No exceptions.

:::::::::::No, I don't see a problem with that. Abcboy is an experienced user who's been here for years, ''way'' longer than me for sure, and there's a reason he's an admin. I had a content dispute with another user a few months back, he overruled a decision made by an admin that was lower on the food chain, provided reasoning for it, and that was the end of that.

:::::::::::You've been here for only a few days and your sole concern right now is a small content issue on the {{ga|Silver}} article that I can't be bothered to further inform myself about. A cursory look at the discussion tells me that since Doondook was quick to jump to your defense, despite being a member for way less time than you, it was natural Abcboy assumed you were a sockpuppet. I for one cannot take your word for it that you and Doondook are different people, because you and I probably live on the opposite ends of the world and I have no way of personally reaching you to see for myself. I did all I could, telling Abcboy of what you said, but if you want to press further with the issue, you're going to have to tell Abcboy yourself, or otherwise do your research on the true bureaucratic process. I wish to have no further involvement in this matter.

:::::::::::P.S.: Please sign your messages with four tildes (~). It's a Bulbapedia custom that all users must take seriously. Thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:36, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

==Hey==
Was wondering if you could give [[User:BigDocFan/Masami Iwasaki]] a look over. Probably not ready for mainspacing yet but it might occur in future.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:31, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

:Sure. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:37, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

== When to talk to users ==

I've said it before and I'm saying it again... Sometimes I believe you misunderstand when you should be interjecting yourself in a conversation and when you should be leaving things to staff, particularly when saff are already involved.

This is precisely the case with your message on Bogavante's talk page. You are not staff. Staff blocked him. Usually when staff block someone they ''will'' explain it shortly. It's not your place to do that for us. Even if somehow it seems no one's leaving an explanation, the most you should do is ask the person who performed the block about it.

I would urge you to try to consider why you made this decision and how you can remind yourself not to make similar mistakes in the future. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:03, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

:Is that a blockable offense? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:12, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
::Not necessarily. If you're just jumping in somewhere and trying to "help" when staff are already talking to a user, that can be distracting and/or (frankly) annoying, but it may not be an explicit "problem". (Which is kind of why I keep it to myself most of the time.) Where it concerns something like blocked users, though, it could be seen as usurping staff's authority. We can understand your intention and we don't "need" to discipline you for it, but if it remains a habit, I don't know if we might not consider it.
::The short version is: if you can rein in your bad habit, it won't be a problem. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Okay. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:20, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

::::Hey Tiddlywinks, mind getting a staff member to check out my request for further review? The charges are false and I would like to get them out of the way soon.[[User:Bogavante|Bogavante]] ([[User talk:Bogavante|talk]]) 01:46, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

:::::If you're going to make that request, do it on Tiddlywinks' own talk page. Please don't bring it here. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

==Wakana Kingyo==
Feel free to tell me to stop if this becomes annoying but could you have a look over [[User:BigDocFan/Wakana Kingyo]]. She probably isn't notable just yet but there might come a time that she is.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:04, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

:Sure thing. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 00:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

== Editing ==

It's been a little hard not to follow your argument with {{u|Mikuri}}. And I have also thought that, at the very least, you have a bad habit of editing a page after someone else does when you already edited the page before and probably should have been able to do it all the first time around. I don't generally have a whole lot of time to examine in detail every edit you make and how reasonable they are, but with your history of saying you want to make a million edits or whatever, it does convey a whiff of being...opportunistic perhaps.

Your recent editing on [[M19]] falls in that very vein... I will start by saying that your [[Special:Diff/2863719|first edit]] to the page makes no sense. How in the world do you think that "in December 5" makes sense? Every other date there, in fact, says "on [date]". Your [[Special:Diff/2863725|second edit]], after my reversion of your first, also makes no sense. Disney XD is not a physical location where "at Disney XD" makes sense. This smacks of either searching for something to edit just to either add an edit to your count or as Mikuri believes to have the last revision...or, at "best", just searching for something so you can make a response in the edit comment. In short, there seems to be no option but bad reasons for that edit.

I'm sure I've seen you editing and responding to things unrelated to your current edit, so I'm going to expand on that a bit too. ''Do not'' look for an edit just to make some response. If you feel like responding, ''use a talk page''. Editing should be done for its own sake, not as a secondary reason. If you didn't see it the first time you were there, then, again and especially when you're in a "dispute" of some sort, it really smacks of looking for an edit for bad reasons.

The long and short of this is, you should be striving to be a '''quality''' editor. When someone edits as much as you, even if a bad habit is relatively infrequent it can build up quickly.

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:00, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

:Sorry for the delay in my response. Anyway, in regards to the edit to [[M19]], I quickly undid that edit without really checking what exactly was being changed. I simply thought {{U|Pikachuluckynumber25}} swapped the sentence around and didn't reasonably expect anything else to have been changed. Plus, if one doesn't pay attention, "in" and "on" can look like the same thing, especially considering font sizes. I apologize for that; I already had a long day at school when I started editing again so my attention span must've been low.

:As for "edit[ing] just to make some response", it was a practice that I saw several times as a user on Wikipedia and I instinctively took that here. I apologize for that too, but I was under the impression that it would be okay since someone ({{U|Force Fire}}, I think) told me that Bulbapedia's rules try to adhere to those of Wikipedia as much as possible. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
::I certainly don't remember telling you that. Bulbapedia's rules and how we do things are different to Wikipedia. As for your edits, I won't remind you again to not make pointless edits, but make sure you check to see what you're reverting as you could be reverting legitimate edits (something I also do, I must admit). Lastly, slightly off topic, if you're going to comment on someone's long message on my talk page, at least don't make it twice as long as theirs. I already had a massive section right above, so seeing yours and Mikuri's section was off-putting (and is why I've been holding off responding to it).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:52, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
:::I ''pretty'' sure an admin told me they like to think of Bulbapedia as a little like Wikipedia. I might be thinking of something else, since I edit on a lot of Wikias, but I'm confident I heard that here. As for the long response to the long comment, I needed to provide evidence of my claims. I'm sorry if I burdened you with having to read through that, but I wanted to defend myself and make my own case. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 06:03, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

==Re: Heads up==
Okay thanks for letting me know, I will bear in mind what you said next time I edit articles <tt>:)</tt> [[User:Ozank|Ozank]] ([[User talk:Ozank|talk]]) 16:42, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
:Yeah I know, sorry. I tried to make an effort to undo it several times [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=Ozank&wpSearchTitle=&wpSearchWiki= but there seems to be some odd abuse filters active] that prevented me from moving it to where it should have been. [[User:Ozank|Ozank]] ([[User talk:Ozank|talk]]) 22:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
::Oh. That's weird. Maybe you should ask an admin like {{U|Force Fire}} about that. Anyway, thank you for the explanation. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:22, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
:::New users generally get abuse filter warning when they make largescale edits. Though I don't believe that's the case here. Once you've become a member for some time, you shouldn't be getting the filters.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:52, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

== Help me... ==

As you've probably noticed, I've been going through every piece of Pokémon anime media to add missed major events, correct any errors regarding character debuts, and so on. Now I'm getting a bit confused about the [[Pikachu short]]s and [[Pokémon movie]]s. Should the "debuts" section in the movies also have a "Pokémon debuts" subtitle? Also, there are Pokémon whose Pikachu short appearances that aren't listed on their species articles. To put it shortly, I'm getting tired with this and need help. Could you please provide that help? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

:Of course. I've actually started work on listing appearances in ''[[PK01|Pikachu's Vacation]]'' last night. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:19, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
::Yeah. I noticed. Keep it up. Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. :) [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:00, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Hope you don't mind me helping out--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 20:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::It's okay, I've got this. It's just some simple copying-and-pasting, with only minor changes involved. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::I'll leave it to you then.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 20:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Alrighty then. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Especially as with Gloom, we both added the same line --[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 20:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, that was what I was going to say. We're editing articles at the same time and there's bound to be problems from that. It's better if only one person did it, and since I took on the duty first, I think it should be me. That's probably poor logic, but... [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 20:52, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

==Where is Eievui Going?==
Was wondering if you could give me a hand with [[User:BigDocFan/Where is Eievui Going?]]. I know you're busy with other stuff but I would appreciate it.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:58, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
:Never mind, a page has already been created--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:38, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

==Martha Harms==
Me again, would you mind giving me a hand with [[User:BigDocFan/Martha Harms]]? I know she has only one confirmed role but I have noticed her name appear in many episodes recently so she might be viable in the near future.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:04, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

:I apologize for not responding in a while; I had IRL matters to attend to. Anyway, I'll see what I can do. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:06, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks, I understand that real life can take precedence over Bulbapedia if you get my meaning.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

== Autoconfirmed ==

How much edits, and how much time you have to wait to be autoconfirmed? --[[User:FanOfYoshi|FanOfYoshi]] ([[User talk:FanOfYoshi|talk]]) 17:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

:I'm not an admin, so I don't think I'm qualified to know the answers to that. Not that I actually know them, anyway. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 17:56, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
::I'm not an admin as well, but I know that users aren't supposed to know the answer to this. This may be an attempt to make users make edits for the sake of improving articles, not for the sake of just reaching that specific count for autoconfirmed status. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 10:45, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

==Professor Burnet's Munchlax==
Thanks for your help with the Team Skull Pokémon pages, chances are they won't be notable for mainspacing based on abcboy's earlier comments but I thought I would continue work just in case, was wondering if you could give [[User:BigDocFan/Professor Burnet's Munchlax]] a look over when you get the time.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 22:20, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

:Sure. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:21, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

==Lauren Kammerling==
I know I keep asking you for assistance with my pages but as an expert, your help is valuable so could you give [[User:BigDocFan/Lauren Kammerling]] a look as well.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:32, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry to keep adding but could you give [[User:BigDocFan/Nicole Fujita]] a look as well.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:04, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
::Of course. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:11, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

==Daiki Yamashita==
Just for a reminder for not tried to created another article as I already created [[User:Singaporean/Daiki Yamashita|this]], okay? [[User:Singaporean|Singaporean]] ([[User talk:Singaporean|talk]]) 09:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

:Okay... I don't understand what you just said... [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
::I think Singaporean was letting you know he'd created a page for Daiki Yamashita in case you were planning on making one.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 18:54, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh, okay. I wasn't planning to anyway, because I don't think he meets [[Bulbapedia:Project VA]] requirements... [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

==Hau (anime)==
I know it is a bit early but when you get a chance, could you give me a hand with [[User:BigDocFan/Hau_(anime)]], I feel it is possible Hau may deserve an anime page in the future.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

:Yes, of course! [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
::Was wondering if you could sort out the CharInfobox, having copied it from the games section, it doesn't look right in the anime.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:32, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure where that would be. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:27, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
::::Comparing it with {{an|Gladion}}'s page, I made amendments.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::Oh, now I know what you meant. Regardless, I still didn't know what exactly what I would've changed, so...good job. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::Guess the easiest thing to do is to check similar pages for comparison and work from there--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:58, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I guess so. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:07, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

==Devolution Silvally -> Type: Null==
Hello GrammarFreak01, I'm a foreigner here on the site (I only speak Portuguese, I'm using Google Translate). What are the criteria for a Pokémon to perform a Devolution? I think that this character of this artificial Pokémon should be evaluated. ([[User:NanayaShiki07|NanayaShiki07]]) ([[User talk:NanayaShiki07|talk]]) 18:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

:I'm not sure, but Type: Null's transition into Silvally is being treated as [[evolution]], not [[devolution]], in multiple sources, otherwise it wouldn't be treated as such on Bulbapedia. You're going to have to discuss with the admins about this. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:58, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

::Okay, I just joined this site to discuss the issue of this Sillvaly Type: Null phenomenon. Where can I find the administrators and discuss the validity of the subject? ([[User:NanayaShiki07|NanayaShiki07]]) ([[User talk:NanayaShiki07|talk]]) 19:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

:::Well, I would first try to keep posting on the devolution talk page like you were doing, but if you still don't get any responses, try {{U|Force Fire}} or {{U|Abcboy}}. On an unrelated note, I'm going to repeat myself: ''please'' use four tildes (~) when signing your messages! [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 23:08, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

==Barrett Leddy/Emily Cramer==
Was wondering if you could give [[User:BigDocFan/Barrett Leddy]] and [[User:BigDocFan/Emily Cramer]] a look over. I know they haven't done much but with Leddy voicing [[Molayne]] and Cramer credited in more recent episodes, I feel they have potential for having their own pages in the future.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:58, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

:Okay. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:49, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

==NeverMetShipping Edit==
Excuse me, sir. Could you please tell me why you undid my edit to the above mentioned page? Due to your undoing, it now forces anyone who clicks on the link to have to scroll down since it doesn't take them to the badge's information. [[User:DragonFeather|DragonFeather]] ([[User talk:DragonFeather|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

:That's just the way it's always been formatted. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:50, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

::Perhaps, but that doesn't mean it's effective as a way to quickly look up the information. [[User:DragonFeather|DragonFeather]] ([[User talk:DragonFeather|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

==Me again==
Would you mind giving [[User:BigDocFan/Pikipek Line (anime)]] a look please, hoping it could be mainspaced at some point.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

:Okay. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 09:03, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

==Error Resolution==
I seem to have made an error when updating the anime section for {{m|Bloom Doom}}. Tried to sort it out myself but can't see what I did wrong so could you take a look?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:40, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

:Not really sure how to handle those edits. I just undid your edit. Ask an admin for advice. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 12:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks anyway.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:42, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 12:43, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

{{indent}}The error happened because you didn't add an extra pair of brackets at the end of the move link. <nowiki>{{mcolor|Leafage|{{grass color dark}}</nowiki> needs an extra pair of bracket since it's a template within a template (the first pair of brackets only closes the grass color dark template, leaving the mcolor template unclosed), so it should be <nowiki>{{mcolor|Leafage|{{grass color dark}}</nowiki>'''}}'''.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:48, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:Yeah, I realized my mistake, will have to be more careful in future.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:57, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

== Hyperbola - Some Clarifications & Questions ==

Hey, thanks for the welcome and the heads up about the preview button.

I actually have been using the preview button to make sure my edits are correct before saving. The reason for the many edits in one section on a page is because I am editing as I play Let's Go Pikachu. For example, if I run into an item on a route that isn't on a wiki page for that route, I will immediately add it to the page. However, I have ran into many items that weren't on the wiki yet so I ended up adding each found item with another update to the page upon finding them throughout my playthrough. Is this alright to update one at a time or do you prefer that I just make a list on my own and then add them at the end once I finish playing through a certain area?

Also, I was looking at the itemlists for some of the routes and city wiki pages, and the order is kind of confusing to me because the items in the list seem to be in a sort of random order. What I mean is that the items for different games seemed to be grouped separately, like a Pikachu/Eevee item, then a FRLG item, then a RBY item, then a GSC item, making it hard to follow in order which items you should be looking for if you're following along for just one game. Wouldn't it be easier to rearrange the items based on game, and then the order they are found in that particular game? Take Route 4's itemlist for example, the order of the games goes PE FRLG PE PE RBY FRLG PE FRLG RBY FRLG GSC HGSS HGSS GSC/HGSS. This was kind of annoying to follow once I got to Route 4 because when I was reading the list, I had to skip FRLG & RBY items in the list for the ones in Let's Go Pikachu. Is this ordering intentional or can I change it, because it seems that an order like RBY RBY FRLG FRLG FRLG FRLG GSC HGSS HGSS GSCHGSS PE PE PE PE is easier to follow.

Thanks, [[User:Hyperbola|Hyperbola]] ([[User talk:Hyperbola|talk]]) 04:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

:I recommend adding all of these items and other information in batches just to minimize the amount of edits. For example, wait until you reach some sort of save-point in the game, and then you can add everything you encountered before then. If you can't remember all of the stuff you encountered, write it all down in a list. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

::Alright, thanks for the help and the reminder about the talkpage rules with the siganture. Do you know anything about the itemlist question I mentioned in the second paragraph above? [[User:Hyperbola|Hyperbola]] ([[User talk:Hyperbola|talk]]) 04:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

:::No, I do not. I don't have those games. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:17, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

::::separating the items based on game order would be a fine idea, but this website likes to follow the idea that if two items in two separate games are located in the exact same spot and are the same item, they should be grouped together. if we separated the items based on games then it would be REALLY confusing to, for example, scroll all the way to the bottom to look at the lets go items, only to realize later that there was another item up top grouped with RBY because it was the same item in the same spot. the downside to this is, like you said, that you have to skip over the other games that you are not playing. altho that's not TOO bad. this idea has its merits too; we dont have to repeat items, for example. but listing the items in game order wouldnt be very practical with this idea in mind. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 16:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

== Could you please help me with making an "R"-ticle? (Pun aside, an article for R) ==

I need some help. I saw that you contributed to the [[Detective Pikachu (game)]] article.

Anyway, currently [[R]] redirects to [[Trainer Tower#In the Pokémon Adventures manga]]. However, R is actually an important substance in the Detective Pikachu game. I created [[User:Unowninator/R]] as per the advice of <strike>Glik</strike> Chosen, but... I'm really bad at Language Arts, so I'm just can't write a whole article by myself. Can you please help me write it? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Kanto Route 3

2018-11-19T22:40:43Z

EternalDragonX: Undo revision 2882994 by Hyperbola (talk) under route 4

{{Route infobox
|number=3
|size=300
|image=Kanto Route 3 HGSS.png
|imageI=Kanto Route 3 RBY.png
|imageII=Kanto Route 3 GSC.png
|imageIII=Kanto Route 3 FRLG.png
|type=mountain
|west=Pewter City
|north=Route 4
|northalt=Route 4{{tt|*|Generations I and III}}
|regionnorth=Kanto
|north2=Mt. Moon
|north2alt=Mt. Moon{{tt|*|Generations II and IV}}
|region=Kanto
|rocksmash={{sup/4|HGSS}}
|mapdesc=A road where many rocks have fallen from the sky to create craters.
}}
'''Route 3''' (Japanese: '''３{{tt|番道路|ばんどうろ}}''' ''Route 3'') is a route in northwest [[Kanto]], connecting [[Pewter City]] to {{rt|4|Kanto}} and [[Mt. Moon]].

==Route description==
For its western half, Route 3 is a split-level [[route]]. Heading east from [[Pewter City]], the {{player}} encounters a small clearing with some natural obstacles that create a fork in the road, forcing travel north or south, of which the south path curves east and leads to a group of {{m|Rock Smash|rocky}} pits ([[Generation IV]] only) and a dead end. In order to progress, the player must turn north and then east along the northern half (which, in [[Generation]]s {{gen|I}} and {{gen|III}}, is packed with {{pkmn|Trainer}}s). At any point, the player can jump the ledges located here to access a middle section of the route between the two ledges. Most of this middle area contains [[item]]s, as well as another Trainer waiting for battle. By hopping a ledge again, the player is able to travel west toward the pits and then north back to the clearing at the start of the route.

East of the second section of the ledges, the route curves south and then east near a large patch of [[tall grass]] containing [[wild Pokémon]], which takes up most of the area. This patch, which contains another Trainer, follows the route until it turns north ahead of a hill. (In [[Generation IV]], the player can go through the grass to reach a ledge running along the southern edge of the route.) From this point, the route makes a backward "S" curve, turning east past the hilly terrain, south past another ledge that leads the route to a large clearing, east again, and finally north, passing a second patch of grass near the end, which has a fence around it as well as a [[signpost]] for directions. (In Generation IV, however, the eastern half of the route only goes south-east and does not bring the player north until the second patch of grass.)

The only obstacles along the remainder of the route are a few ledges on either side, which are easily bypassed as the player proceeds north towards the mysterious [[Mt. Moon]] cave and {{rt|4|Kanto}} beyond. Beside the entrance to the cave is a [[Pokémon Center]], one of only two in [[Kanto]] that is not located in a populated area (the other one is on {{rt|10|Kanto}} at the north entrance to [[Rock Tunnel]]). In Generation III, {{m|Fly}} is able to return the player to this location instantly, but not in any other [[Generation]]s. In the Pokémon Center, a [[Magikarp salesman|man]] attempts to scam Trainers by selling them the laughably common {{p|Magikarp}} for relatively high prices.

==Items==
{{Itlisth|mountain}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|
* Reward for defeating {{tc|Coach Trainer}} Kareem
* In the patch of [[tall grass]] at the eastern end of the route|LP=yes|LE=yes|display=[[Revive]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Oran Berry|Between the [[ledge]]s with {{tc|Youngster}} Calvin, on the marked square ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Potion|Between the [[ledge]]s south of {{tc|Youngster}} Calvin|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Poké Ball|South of the [[ledge]]s south of {{tc|Youngster}} Calvin|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{ball|Poké}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Lure|Next to a bush northeast of {{tc|Picnicker}} Robin|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Nanab Berry|In a bush near the eastern end of the route, found by the {{player}}'s [[walking Pokémon]]|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Star Piece|
* In the southwest meteor crater ''(hidden)''
* In the northeast meteor crater ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Star Piece]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Big Root|At the end of the elevated ledge, accessed southwest of {{tc|Firebreather}} Otis|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Hyper Potion|On a boulder west of the [[Pokémon Center]] (requires {{m|Rock Smash}}) ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|mountain}}

===Rock Smash===
{{itlisth|mountain}}
{{Itemlist|Red Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Blue Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Green Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Yellow Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Heart Scale|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Star Piece|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{itlistfoot|mountain}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation I===
{{catch/header|mountain|no}}
{{catch/entry1|016|Pidgey|yes|yes|no|Grass|6-8|50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|019|Rattata|no|no|yes|Grass|10, 12|15%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|021|Spearow|yes|yes|no|Grass|5-8|40%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|021|Spearow|no|no|yes|Grass|8-12|55%|type1=Normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entry1|027|Sandshrew|no|no|yes|Grass|8, 10|15%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|no|Grass|3, 5, 7|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|056|Mankey|no|no|yes|Grass|9|15%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/footer|mountain}}

===Generation II===
{{Catch/header|mountain|yes}}
{{Catch/entry2|019|Rattata|yes|no|no|Grass|5-10|35%|35%|60%|k|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|019|Rattata|no|yes|yes|Grass|5|30%|30%|0%|k|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|019|Rattata|no|yes|no|Grass|5-8|0%|0%|35%|k|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|019|Rattata|no|no|yes|Grass|5-10|0%|0%|65%|k|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|020|Raticate|no|no|yes|Grass|10|10%|10%|20%|k|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|no|no|Grass|5-8|55%|55%|0%|k|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|021|Spearow|no|yes|no|Grass|5-8|35%|35%|0%|k|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|021|Spearow|no|no|yes|Grass|5|30%|30%|0%|k|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|023|Ekans|no|yes|no|Grass|8|all=20%|11=k|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|023|Ekans|no|no|yes|Grass|8|20%|20%|0%|k|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|024|Arbok|no|yes|no|Grass|10|all=5%|11=k|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|024|Arbok|no|no|yes|Grass|10|5%|5%|0%|k|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|027|Sandshrew|no|no|yes|Grass|10|5%|5%|0%|k|type1=Ground}}
{{Catch/entry2|035|Clefairy|no|no|yes|Grass|6|0%|0%|5%|k|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|all=10%|11=k|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Grass|5|0%|0%|30%|k|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entry2|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Grass|6|0%|0%|10%|k|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/footer|mountain}}

===Generation III===
{{Catch/header|mountain|no}}
{{Catch/entryfl|016|Pidgey|yes|yes|Grass|6-7|30%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryfl|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Grass|6-8|35%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryfl|029|Nidoran♀|yes|no|Grass|6|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryfl|029|Nidoran♀|no|yes|Grass|6-7|14%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryfl|032|Nidoran♂|yes|no|Grass|6-7|14%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryfl|032|Nidoran♂|no|yes|Grass|6|1%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryfl|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|Grass|3, 5, 7|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryfl|056|Mankey|yes|yes|Grass|7|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{Catch/footer|mountain}}

===Generation IV===
{{Catch/header|mountain|yes}}
{{Catch/entryhs|019|Rattata|yes|no|Grass|5-10|35%|35%|60%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|019|Rattata|no|yes|Grass|5|30%|30%|0%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|019|Rattata|no|yes|Grass|5-8|0%|0%|35%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|021|Spearow|yes|no|Grass|5-8|55%|55%|0%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryhs|021|Spearow|no|yes|Grass|5-8|35%|35%|0%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryhs|023|Ekans|no|yes|Grass|8|all=20%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryhs|024|Arbok|no|yes|Grass|10|all=5%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryhs|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|Grass|6|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{Catch/entryhs|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Grass|5|0%|0%|30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|mountain|Headbutt}}
{{catch/entryhs|163|Hoothoot|yes|yes|Headbutt|6-10|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|204|Pineco|yes|yes|Headbutt|6-7|all=30%|type1=Bug|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|265|Wurmple|yes|yes|Headbutt|6-10|all=20%|type1=Bug|10=k}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|Swarm}}
{{Catch/entryhs|343|Baltoy|yes|no|Swarm|5|all=40%|type1=Ground|type2=Psychic}}
{{Catch/entryhs|316|Gulpin|no|yes|Swarm|5|all=40%|type1=Poison}}
{{Catch/div|mountain|Special}}
{{Catch/entryhs|311|Plusle|yes|yes|Hoenn|5|all=20%|type1=Electric}}
{{Catch/entryhs|312|Minun|yes|yes|Hoenn|8|all=20%|type1=Electric}}
{{Catch/entryhs|403|Shinx|yes|yes|Sinnoh|5-8|all=40%|type1=Electric}}
{{Catch/footer|mountain}}

==Trainers==
===Generation I===
{{Trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Lass.png|Lass||135|2|016|Pidgey||9||016|Pidgey||9|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||100|3|010|Caterpie||10||013|Weedle||10||010|Caterpie||10|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Youngster.png|Youngster||165|2|019|Rattata||11||023|Ekans||11|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||90|4|013|Weedle||9||014|Kakuna||9||010|Caterpie||9||011|Metapod||9|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Youngster.png|Youngster||210|1|021|Spearow||14|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Lass.png|Lass||150|2|019|Rattata||10||032|Nidoran♂||10|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher||110|2|010|Caterpie||11||011|Metapod||11|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Lass.png|Lass||210|1|039|Jigglypuff||14|||}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|1}}

===Generation II===
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Youngster.png|Youngster|Warren|560|1|022|Fearow|♂|35|None|36=ヒロノブ|37=Hironobu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Youngster.png|Youngster|Jimmy|528|2|020|Raticate|♂|33|None|024|Arbok|♂|33|None|36=ケンタ|37=Kenta}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Firebreather.png|Firebreather|Otis|1392|3|126|Magmar|♂|29|None|110|Weezing|♂|32|None|126|Magmar|♂|29|None|36=アキト|37=Akito}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr GS Firebreather.png|Firebreather|Burt|1536|2|109|Koffing|♂|32|None|218|Slugma|♂|32|None|36=ノブアキ|37=Nobuaki}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|GSC}}

===Generation III===
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Lass.png|Lass|Janice|144|2|016|Pidgey|♀|9|None|016|Pidgey|♀|9|None|36=エリ|37=Eri | 38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Colton|120|3|010|Caterpie|♂|10|None|013|Weedle|♂|10|None|010|Caterpie|♂|10|None|36=ヒサシ|37=Hisashi|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Youngster.png|Youngster|Ben|176|2|019|Rattata|♂|11|None|023|Ekans|♂|11|None|36=ヒロト|37=Hiroto | 38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Greg|108|4|013|Weedle|♂|9|None|014|Kakuna|♂|9|None|010|Caterpie|♂|9|None|011|Metapod|♂|9|None|36=ヒロユキ|37=Hiroyuki}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Youngster.png|Youngster|Calvin|224|1|021|Spearow|♂|14|None|36=カズキ|37=Kazuki}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Lass.png|Lass|Sally|160|2|019|Rattata|♀|10|None|029|Nidoran♀||10|None|36=ミナ|37=Mina}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|James|132|2|010|Caterpie|♂|11|None|011|Metapod|♂|11|None|36=ミキヤ|37=Mikiya}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Lass.png|Lass|Robin|224|1|039|Jigglypuff|♀|14|None|36=シホ|37=Shiho}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain|Rematch}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Lass.png|Lass|Janice{{tt|*|First rematch}}|320|2|017|Pidgeotto|♀|20|None|017|Pidgeotto|♀|20|None|36=エリ|37=Eri | 38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Lass.png|Lass|Janice{{tt|*|Second rematch onwards}}|448|2|017|Pidgeotto|♀|28|None|017|Pidgeotto|♀|28|None|36=エリ|37=Eri|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Colton{{tt|*|First rematch}}|228|3|011|Metapod|♂|19|None|013|Weedle|♂|19|None|011|Metapod|♂|19|None|36=ヒサシ|37=Hisashi|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Colton{{tt|*|Second rematch}}|324|3|012|Butterfree|♂|27|None|014|Kakuna|♂|27|None|012|Butterfree|♂|27|None|36=ヒサシ|37=Hisashi|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Bug Catcher.png|Bug Catcher|Colton{{tt|*|Third rematch onwards}}|612|3|012|Butterfree|♂|51|None|015|Beedrill|♂|54|None|012|Butterfree|♂|51|None|36=ヒサシ|37=Hisashi|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Youngster.png|Youngster|Ben{{tt|*|First rematch}}|272|2|019|Rattata|♂|17|None|023|Ekans|♂|17|None|36=ヒロト|37=Hiroto|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Youngster.png|Youngster|Ben{{tt|*|Second rematch}}|448|2|020|Raticate|♂|28|None|023|Ekans|♂|28|None|36=ヒロト|37=Hiroto|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Youngster.png|Youngster|Ben{{tt|*|Third rematch onwards}}|768|2|020|Raticate|♂|48|None|024|Arbok|♂|48|None|36=ヒロト|37=Hiroto|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|FRLG}}

===Generation IV===
{{trainerheader|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Youngster.png|Youngster|Regis|640|2|042|Golbat|♂|40|None|101|Electrode||40|None|36=ジュンタ|37=Junta}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Youngster.png|Youngster|Warren|672|2|022|Fearow|♂|38|None|020|Raticate|♂|42|None|36=ヒロノブ|37=Hironobu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Youngster.png|Youngster|Jimmy|672|3|020|Raticate|♂|42|None|024|Arbok|♂|42|None|047|Parasect|♂|42|None|36=ケンタ|37=Kenta}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Double Team.png|Double Team|Zac & Jen|11280|2|051|Dugtrio|♂|47|None|125|Electabuzz|♂|47|None|36=コウとサキ|37=Kō and Saki}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Firebreather.png|Firebreather|Otis|1504|3|126|Magmar|♂|43|None|110|Weezing|♂|40|None|323|Camerupt|♂|47|None|36=アキト|37=Akito}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Bruce|1440|3|075|Graveler|♂|39|None|112|Rhydon|♂|44|None|035|Clefairy|♀|45|None|36=トモヒロ|37=Tomohiro}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Manford|1128|1|062|Poliwrath|♂|47|None|36=マンゾウ|37=Manzō}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Ander|1056|3|057|Primeape|♂|43|None|075|Graveler|♂|39|None|067|Machoke|♂|44|None|36=フトシ|37=Futoshi}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Dwight|1408|2|082|Magneton||44|None|208|Steelix|♂|44|None|36=コテツ|37=Kotetsu}}
{{Trainerdiv|mountain}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr HGSS Firebreather.png|Firebreather|Burt|1440|2|110|Weezing|♂|42|None|219|Magcargo|♂|45|None|36=ノブアキ|37=Nobuaki}}
{{Trainerfooter|mountain|HGSS}}

==Differences among generations==
===Generations I and III===
The only changes along Route 3 between these two [[Generation]]s are cosmetic, such as the reconstruction of the surrounding landscape. The barriers on either side of the route are removed in the Generation III remakes, while the large patch of tall grass in the center of the route becomes considerably smaller. Also the set of trees have been removed in Generation I and have been replaced by a rocky mountain setting. Other than this, most of the route remains the same.

===Generation II===
Many changes were made to Route 3 in [[Generation II]]. First, the route was shortened significantly. Also, the number of {{pkmn|Trainer}}s along the path was reduced to four. Similarly, the size of the grass patches were reduced by nearly 50%.

Traveling east from [[Pewter City]], the route passes two barriers on either side of the road, and cuts to a clearing that creates a fork in the road, and allows travel north or south, with south curving around eastern and then leading to a dead end. In order to progress, Trainers must turn north after the route opens up and progress east along the northern half. For its western half, Route 3 is a split-level route, so at any point, Trainers can jump the ledges located south of this path, to access a middle section of the route between two ledges, and then again, so Trainer are able to travel west which curves north back to the clearing at the start of the route.

East of the second pair of ledges, the route curves south before returning east near a small patch of [[tall grass]]. The size of the tall grass has been reduced by about half. This patch follows the route until the path turns north ahead of a hill. From this point, the route makes a backward "S" curve, turning east past the hilly terrain, south past another ledge taking the route to a large clearing, east again which travels across the clearing, and, finally, to the north, passing the second patch of grass which has also been reduced in size, which has a fence as well as a [[signpost]], which gives out directions.

Part of Route 4 has been combined with Route 3 so now only one route connects Pewter with [[Mt. Moon]], however, the Pokémon Center is no longer there. There are no obstacles along the remainder of the route as it proceeds north towards [[Mt. Moon]].

===Generation IV===
[[File:Kanto Route 3 meteorites HGSS.png|thumb|200px|The meteorites located at the southwest end of Route 3]]
In [[Generation IV]], the route is different from other generations, with some area changes, as well as major aesthetic features enhanced, including depth and sprite changes. The trees removed in Generation III return, and the east area of the route changes too. Hills, rocks, and {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} are added near [[Mt. Moon]], now part of this route like in Generation II. An additional area at the southwest end of the route allows players to change their {{p|Deoxys}}'s current form by interacting with different meteorites. Also, a new hill is placed south of the [[tall grass]].

For its western half, Route 3 is a split-level route. Heading east, Trainers must turn north after the route opens up and progress east along the northern half. The southern half of the route is only accessible by hopping down ledges that will lead Trainers into the paths of more rival Trainers. East of the second pair of ledges, the route curves south before returning east near a large patch of grass containing wild Pokémon. This patch follows the route until the path turns north ahead of a hill. From this point, the route makes a backward "S" curve, turning east, south, east and, finally, to the north, passing the second patch of grass on the route. There are no obstacles along the remainder of the route as it proceeds north towards Mt. Moon. Just before the entrance to the cave, there is a Pokémon Center.

Three unique items have also been scattered around the place, including a [[Big Root]], located near a {{tc|Firebreather}}; a [[Star Piece]], located near the meteors; and a [[Hyper Potion]], hidden near the [[Pokémon Center]]. The number of Trainers along the path has been increased to eleven. The Pokémon Center at the entrance of [[Mt. Moon]] returns but the area around it was reduced significantly in size.

==In the anime==
[[File:Kanto Route 3 anime.png|thumb|220px|Route 3 in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
[[File:Kanto Route 3 PO.png|thumb|left|220px|Route 3 in Pokémon Origins]]
===In the main series===
Route 3 first appeared at the end of ''[[EP005|Showdown in Pewter City]]''. Later, {{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}}, and {{an|Brock}} hiked along Route 3 in ''[[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]''. They were on their way to [[Mt. Moon]], when they encountered a man wearing a lab coat being attacked by a flock of {{p|Zubat}}. Ash ordered {{AP|Pikachu}} to fire a {{m|Thunder Shock}} at the Zubat, causing them to fly away. The man squeezed Ash and thanked him profusely before introducing himself as [[Seymour]], a scientist.

===In Pokémon Origins===
Route 3 briefly appeared at the end of ''[[PO01|File 1: Red]]'', where {{OBP|Red|Origins}} traveled through it after defeating [[Brock]] at the [[Pewter Gym]].
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==In the manga==
[[File:Kanto Route 3 Adventures.png|thumb|300px|Route 3 in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Route 3 appeared in ''[[PS006|Gyarados Splashes In!]]''. {{adv|Red}} first encountered [[Misty]] on this route, fighting a rampaging [[Gyara]]dos. With the help of Red's [[Saur]], the Gyarados was stopped and eventually caught by Red. Afterwards, Misty told Red that the Gyarados was actually hers, having gone missing some time earlier and returned raging mad.
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==Trivia==
[[File:Route 3 shorts Gen I.png|thumb|256px|The original quote in Generation I]]
* The music that plays in Route 3 is one of the most common location-specific themes in the {{pkmn|games}}, playing in [[Route]]s 3, {{rtn|4|Kanto}}, {{rtn|5|Kanto}}, {{rtn|6|Kanto}}, {{rtn|7|Kanto}}, {{rtn|8|Kanto}}, {{rtn|9|Kanto}}, {{rtn|10|Kanto}}, {{rtn|16|Kanto}}, {{rtn|17|Kanto}}, {{rtn|18|Kanto}}, {{rtn|19|Kanto}}, {{rtn|20|Kanto}}, {{rtn|21|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|22|Kanto}}. It also plays in {{rt|24|Kanto}} and {{rtn|25|Kanto}} in {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} and on {{rt|2|Kanto}} in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}.
* Although there are seven breakable rocks around the Pokémon Center in HeartGold and SoulSilver, there are no wild Pokémon to be found under them. As a result, Route 3 is the best place for collecting items found via {{m|Rock Smash}}.
* In all languages, when {{tc|Bug Catcher}} Colton first approaches the {{player}}, he says "I saw you in [[Viridian Forest]]." and upon defeat he says "You beat me again!" However, there is no Bug Catcher named Colton in Viridian Forest. In Generation I, since Trainers other than the rival, the {{pkmn|Champion}}, [[Elite Four]] members and [[Gym Leader]]s are unnamed, he could reasonably be one of the Bug Catchers battled in Viridan Forest, but his lines were not adjusted in Generation III when his name made it apparent he was a different Trainer.
* Route 3 is the scene of a famous quote among Pokémon fans, where {{tc|Youngster}} Ben exclaims, "Hi! I like shorts! They're comfy and easy to wear!" Further along in the route, another Youngster exclaims "Hey! You're not wearing shorts!"
** In [[Humilau City]], a {{tc|Lady}} will make a reference to Ben, saying, "This dress is comfy and easy to wear..."
** On [[Kalos Route 5]], Youngster Keita will say the exact same words as Ben.

==See also==
* [[Mt. Moon]]

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Cerulean Cave

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|japanese_name=ハナダの{{tt|洞窟|どうくつ}}
|translated_name=Hanada Cave
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|location=[[Cerulean City]]
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'''Cerulean Cave''' (Japanese: '''ハナダの{{tt|洞窟|どうくつ}}''' ''Hanada Cave'') is a [[cave]] located in the northwest corner of [[Cerulean City]] in [[Kanto]].

In [[Generation I]], the cave was inconsistently referred to as the '''Unknown Dungeon''' (Japanese: '''ななしのどうくつ''' ''Nameless Cave'') in addition to its name. This moniker would later be reused for the {{kal|Unknown Dungeon}} in [[Kalos]], which is a direct reference to Cerulean Cave.

==In the games==
Cerulean Cave is home to a wide variety of high-[[level]] [[wild Pokémon]]. {{p|Mewtwo}} inhabits the deepest part of the cave.

The [[Pokémon League]] only permits {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who have entered the [[Hall of Fame]] to enter. In {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, {{player}}s must further prove themselves before entering the cave, which is done by completing the quest on [[Sevii Islands]] and restoring the Network Machine of the [[Pokémon Network Center]] to operational status.

In Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, more Pokémon can be found only by [[fishing]], while there are fewer different species of wild Pokémon found by walking around in the cave.

In [[Generation II]], Cerulean Cave completely collapsed but the leftovers of Mewtwo's presence remain and are found in the lake near the cave, in the form of the item [[Berserk Gene]]. In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Cerulean Cave has been rebuilt and Mewtwo can once again be found inside. An [[Non-player character|NPC]] blocks the entrance until the player has obtained all eight Kanto Gym [[Badge]]s (as opposed to defeating the Pokémon League at Indigo Plateau, the requirement in the Generation I games and Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen).

===Geography===
[[File:Mewtwo FRLG.png|right|thumb|Encountering Mewtwo in the cave in FireRed and LeafGreen]]
Cerulean Cave is a large underground complex of maze-like tunnels which extend out from [[Cerulean City]] to the mountains beyond. With the dark entrance positioned on the outskirts of Cerulean City, only accessible by {{m|surf}}ing down {{rt|24|Kanto}} to the entrance near the northern border of [[Cerulean City]], the [[cave]] has been renowned for its mystery. The entrance to the cave looks like it has been carved out from a hillside, forming an indented entrance into the hill. An [[Non-player character|NPC]] guards the entrance to the cave and only allows {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who own all eight Kanto Gym [[Badge]]s and have entered the [[Hall of Fame]] to enter.

At the deepest point of the cave lives {{p|Mewtwo}}, a {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} that can only be found in Cerulean Cave. Mewtwo was created by man in the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} before it became too powerful and escaped, exiling itself to the cave, never to be seen again.

Cerulean Cave has had many different layouts over time, getting a change from not only one [[generation]] to the next but also from one game release to the next. Despite these changes, the first floor is mostly unaffected and has a large underground lake which covers most of the area. Using the complex of stairs and ladders, Trainers can make their way around the lake and the first floor of the cave. They will reach the upper floor, which has no underground river, but a like maze-like structure formed by large boulders and rocks that must be maneuvered around in order to reach the end. Once Trainers get through the maze formation, they are able to climb the ladders and get around the underground lake on the basement floor, which will lead them straight to a dead end and to Mewtwo.

===Items===
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixer|1F, southwest of the northeasternmost ladder|R=yes|B=yes|display=[[Max Elixir|Max Elixer]]|sprite=Bag Max Elixir Sprite}}
{{Itemlist|Nugget|1F, in the northwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|
* 1F, near the [[Nugget]] ''(hidden)''
* 2F, in the southeast area of the floor, accessible from the ladder in the east area of 1F (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})
* B1F, northeast of the center of the map, on a plateau|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|1F, on a rock on the plateau east of the [[Full Restore]] ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|1F, northeast of the center of the floor, on a plateau|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixer|
* 1F. northeast of the southwesternmost ladder
* B1F, in the north area of the floor|Y=yes|display=[[Max Elixir|Max Elixer]] ×2|sprite=Bag Max Elixir Sprite}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|
* 1F, near the southeast corner of the floor
* 2F, in the west area of the floor, accessible from the easternmost ladder in the northeast area of 1F|Y=yes|display=[[Rare Candy]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Nugget|
* 1F, near the northwest corner
* B1F, behind a lone {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rock}} northeast of the rocks in the center ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Nugget]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Hyper Potion|1F, on the wall behind the {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} in the southwest corner ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Potion|Hyper Potion}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|1F, along the south wall|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|1F, on a small crystal in the middle ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|1F, near the center, at the end of a bridge|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Sea Incense|1F, north edge|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|1F, in the far southeast corner ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|2F, in the east area of the floor, accessible from the ladder on the plateau north of the entrance on 1F|R=yes|B=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|
* 2F, in the east area of the floor, accessible from the northeasternmost ladder on 1F (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})
* 1F, in the southwest area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display=[[Full Restore]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|
* 2F, northwest of the center of the floor, accessible from the ladder on a plateau in the northwest area of 1F
* 1F, in the southwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|display=[[Full Restore]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|
* 2F, in the southwest area of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F
* B1F, near the center of the floor
* B1F, on a rock that stands out in the northeast area of the floor ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|2F, in the southwest area of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|
* 2F, near the center of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F
* 1F, northeast of the center of the floor
* B1F, on the southwesternmost plateau
* B1F, near the northeast corner of the floor|Y=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×4}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|
* 2F, southeast of the center of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F
* 1F, in the east area of the floor
* B1F, on the southwesternmost plateau|Y=yes|display=[[Max Revive]] ×3}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|
* 2F, on the lone rock south of the center of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F ''(hidden)''
* 1F, on a lone rock south of the [[Ultra Ball]] ''(hidden)''
* B1F, on a rock that stands out close to the waterway to the southwesternmost plateau ''(hidden)''|Y=yes|display=[[PP Up]] ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|2F, in the east area of the floor, accessible from the ladder in the east area of 1F|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Electric|2F, northeast corner (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|24|Thunderbolt}}}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|
* 2F, west side of 2F
* 2F, in the isolated crystal in the bottom left ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[PP Up]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Zinc|2F, in the large open area on the east side ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|2F, in the large open area on the east side ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Big Pearl|2F, in the large open area on the east side ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|
* 2F, west side
* 2F, in the large open area on the east side ''(hidden)''
* B1F, west of the {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} in the center ''(hidden)''
* B1F, near the southwest corner|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×4}}
{{Itemlist|Odd Incense|2F, near the center (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Protein|2F, near the northwest corner ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|B1F, in the northeast area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Escape Rope|B1F, near the northeast corner of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|B1F, southwest of the [[Escape Rope]], on a plateau|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|B1F, in the south area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Mewtwonite X|B1F, received from {{ga|Green}} after defeating her|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Mewtwonite Y|B1F, received from {{ga|Green}} after defeating her|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Poké Ball|B1F, on the ground after defeating {{ga|Green}}|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{ball|Poké}} ×5}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|
* B1F, among the {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} on the west side ''(hidden)''
* B1F, northwest of the {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} in the center|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Max Revive]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Dusk Stone|B1F, center (requires {{m|Rock Climb}})|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Electirizer|B1F, northeast corner (requires {{m|Rock Climb}})|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Black Sludge|B1F, southeast corner|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

====Rock Smash====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Red Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Blue Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Yellow Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Green Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Heart Scale|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Star Piece|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

===Pokémon===
====Generation I====
Cerulean Cave is not listed as a [[Pokédex]] area in the [[Generation I]] games. Therefore, any Pokémon that can only be found in Cerulean Cave is listed as "<sc>Area Unknown</sc>" by the {{DL|List of Pokémon by Kanto Pokédex number|Kanto Pokédex}} in these games.

=====1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|024|Arbok|yes|no|no|Cave|52|10%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|026|Raichu|yes|yes|no|Cave|53|4%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|028|Sandslash|no|yes|yes|Cave|52|10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|46|25%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|50, 55|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|044|Gloom|no|no|yes|Cave|55|10%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|047|Parasect|yes|yes|no|Cave|52|5%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry1|047|Parasect|no|no|yes|Cave|54|5%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry1|049|Venomoth|yes|yes|no|Cave|49|10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|049|Venomoth|no|no|yes|Cave|54|5%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|no|Cave|49|5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|070|Weepinbell|no|no|yes|Cave|55|10%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|45|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|082|Magneton|yes|yes|no|Cave|46|15%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|085|Dodrio|yes|yes|no|Cave|49|10%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|097|Hypno|yes|yes|no|Cave|46|15%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|yes|yes|no|Cave|53|1%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|no|no|yes|Cave|55, 60|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entry1|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|080|Slowbro|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|117|Seadra|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|no|no|yes|Fish Super|25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|119|Seaking|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|119|Seaking|no|no|yes|Fish Super|35, 45, 55|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|028|Sandslash|no|no|yes|Cave|56|10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|040|Wigglytuff|yes|yes|no|Cave|54|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|52, 57|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|044|Gloom|no|no|yes|Cave|58|5%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|049|Venomoth|yes|yes|no|Cave|51|15%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|no|Cave|51|15%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|070|Weepinbell|no|no|yes|Cave|58|5%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|50|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|085|Dodrio|yes|yes|no|Cave|51|25%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|101|Electrode|yes|yes|no|Cave|52|10%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|105|Marowak|yes|yes|no|Cave|52|10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|111|Rhyhorn|no|no|yes|Cave|50|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|112|Rhydon|yes|yes|no|Cave|52|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|112|Rhydon|no|no|yes|Cave|58, 60|5%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|113|Chansey|yes|yes|no|Cave|56|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|yes|yes|no|Cave|55, 60|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|no|no|yes|Cave|60|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====B1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|024|Arbok|yes|no|no|Cave|57|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|026|Raichu|yes|yes|no|Cave|64|10%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|028|Sandslash|no|yes|no|Cave|57|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|54, 59|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|047|Parasect|yes|yes|no|Cave|64|10%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|55|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|101|Electrode|yes|yes|no|Cave|55|15%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|105|Marowak|yes|yes|no|Cave|55|15%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|108|Lickitung|no|no|yes|Cave|50, 55|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|111|Rhyhorn|no|no|yes|Cave|52|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|112|Rhydon|yes|yes|no|Cave|55|25%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|112|Rhydon|no|no|yes|Cave|62|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|113|Chansey|yes|yes|no|Cave|64|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|113|Chansey|no|no|yes|Cave|56|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|yes|yes|no|Cave|63, 65, 67|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|no|no|yes|Cave|60, 65|15%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entry1|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|080|Slowbro|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|117|Seadra|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|no|no|yes|Fish Super|30|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|119|Seaking|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|119|Seaking|no|no|yes|Fish Super|40, 50, 60|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entry1|150|Mewtwo|yes|yes|yes|Special|70|One|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation III====
=====1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|49, 58|25%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryfl|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|49|20%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|46, 55|14%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|057|Primeape|yes|yes|Cave|52, 61|11%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|52, 61|11%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|46|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|58|5%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryfl|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|55|4%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Surf|30-50|65%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Surf|30-50|65%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Surf|40-55|35%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Surf|40-55|35%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Fish Super|20-30|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-25|15%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Fish Super|15-35|5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Fish Super|15-35|5%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|30-50|65%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|40-55|35%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|49, 58|25%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|49|20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|52, 61|14%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryfl|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|Cave|55, 64|11%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|55, 64|11%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|52|10%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryfl|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|58|5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|61|4%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|35-55|65%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|45-60|35%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====B1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|Cave|58, 67|25%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|58, 67|25%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|55, 64|14%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|52, 61|11%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|52|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|55|10%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryfl|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|64|4%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryfl|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|61|1%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Surf|40-60|65%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Surf|40-60|65%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Surf|50-65|35%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Surf|50-65|35%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Fish Super|20-30|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-35|16%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Fish Super|15-25|4%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Fish Super|15-25|4%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|40-60|65%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|50-65|35%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryfl|150|Mewtwo|yes|yes|Special|70|One|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation IV====
=====1F=====
{{catch/header|cave}}
{{catch/entryhs|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|40|all=5%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|37|all=5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|39-40|24%|24%|6%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|38|20%|20%|10%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryhs|057|Primeape|yes|no|Cave|38-39|14%|14%|0%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|057|Primeape|yes|no|Cave|39|0%|0%|4%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|053|Persian|no|yes|Cave|38-39|14%|14%|0%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|053|Persian|no|yes|Cave|39|0%|0%|4%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|40|11%|11%|10%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryhs|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|39-40|11%|11%|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|38|10%|10%|0%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|38-39|0%|0%|50%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Surf|35-40|all=90%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|055|Golduck|yes|yes|Surf|40|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=62%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=33%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|23|all=90%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|26-30|all=10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|39-40|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|38|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|39-40|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|38|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|41|10%|10%|0%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|41-42|0%|0%|20%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|40|all=20%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryhs|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|Cave|42|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|39-42|20%|20%|0%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|39|0%|0%|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|41|all=10%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryhs|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|41|all=5%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|42|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|42|all=5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|41-42|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|39-41|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|41-42|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|39-41|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====B1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryhs|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|45-47|all=25%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryhs|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|Cave|46|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|45-47|all=15%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|47|all=10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|45|all=10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|45|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|46|all=5%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|49|all=5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Surf|35-40|all=90%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|055|Golduck|yes|yes|Surf|40|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=62%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=33%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|30%|30%|0%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|22|all=90%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|26|all=10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|150|Mewtwo|yes|yes|Special|70|all=One|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|45|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|45-47|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|45|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|45-47|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

===Layout===
The layout of the cave has been tweaked several times in the past, particularly in [[Generation I]].

In {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, it has been restored to the original layout found in {{game|Red and Green|s}}, with the addition of {{m|Rock Smash}} boulders.

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, the layout of the first and second floors is based on the equivalent layout from Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, while the layout of the basement is based on the respective layout from {{game|Yellow}}. Rock Smash boulders are also present and {{m|Rock Climb}} surfaces were added.

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|-
! style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}" | 1F
! style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}" | 2F
! style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | B1F
|-
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Red (Ja)}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon 1F RG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon 2F RG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon B1F RG.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{green color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Green}}
|-
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon 1F RB.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon 2F RB.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon B1F RB.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{blue color}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}
| [[File:Unknown Dungeon 1F Y.png|180px]]
| [[File:Unknown Dungeon 2F Y.png|180px]]
| [[File:Unknown Dungeon B1F Y.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{firered color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave 1F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave 2F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave B1F FRLG.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{leafgreen color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen}}
|-
! style="background:#{{heartgold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave 1F HGSS.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave 2F HGSS.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave B1F HGSS.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{soulsilver color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SoulSilver}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

===[[Location preview|Preview]]===
<gallery>
File:FL Cerulean Cave.png|FRLG
File:HGSS Cerulean Cave-Morning.png|HGSS Morning (Ditto)
File:HGSS Cerulean Cave-Day.png|HGSS Day/Evening (Ditto)
File:HGSS Cerulean Cave-Night.png|HGSS Night (Magneton)
</gallery>

==In the anime==
===In Pokémon Origins===
[[File:Cerulean Cave entrance PO.png|thumb|220px|left|Cerulean Cave's entrance in [[Pokémon Origins]]]]
[[File:Cerulean Cave inside PO.png|thumb|220px|Cerulean Cave's interior in Pokémon Origins]]
Cerulean Cave appeared in ''[[PO04|File 4: Charizard]]''. It was first mentioned by {{OBP|Blue|Origins}}, who had went to the cave after hearing rumors of an extremely strong Pokémon living in there. He intended to catch it, but got badly injured while battling it when his {{p|Blastoise}} was sent flying and crashed on top of him. After he had told [[Professor Oak]] and {{OBP|Red|Origins}} about this, Red soon recalled the {{FB|Pokémon Mansion|journals}} he had found at the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} at [[Cinnabar Island]], and understood that the mysterious Pokémon was in fact {{p|Mewtwo}}, an [[artificial Pokémon]] created by enhanching the powers of {{p|Mew}}.

Wanting to help Professor Oak to complete the [[Pokédex]], Red then headed to Cerulean Cave, where he encountered Mewtwo. Being amazingly strong and {{m|Recover|durable}}, Mewtwo was capable of defeating almost all of Red's Pokémon, excluding only his {{TP|Red|Charizard}}. At first, even Charizard was losing, and was sent into the waters of the cave, along with Red. However, Red's [[Key Stone]] and Charizard's [[Mega Stone]] then activated, [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolving]] Charizard into Mega Charizard X and making it able to defeat Mewtwo, allowing Red to catch it.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Cerulean Cave Adventures.png|thumb|230px|Cerulean Cave in Pokémon Adventures]]
Cerulean Cave appeared in ''[[PS034|And Mewtwo Too?!]]'' and ''[[PS035|And Mewtwo... Three!]]''. Upon hearing from {{adv|Bill}} about a monster that had caused massive destruction in the northwest sector of Cerulean City, {{adv|Red}} went to investigate Cerulean Cave, where the monster was said to have fled to. Once Red arrived at the cave, he and {{cat|Red's Pokémon|his Pokémon}} were soon caught in a tornado, which seemed to originate from inside the cave. Red and his Pokémon were saved from being blown away by [[Blaine]] and his {{p|Rapidash}}. Blaine explained that the tornado was actually {{m|Psywave}}, a {{type|Psychic}} move capable of both attacking and defending at the same time, and the user of the move was {{adv|Mewtwo}}, the "beast" sighted in Cerulean City.

To Red's horror, Blaine revealed that he, while working as a [[Team Rocket scientists|scientist]] in [[Team Rocket]], had been involved in Mewtwo's creation. Since Team Rocket had been unable to get enough of {{p|Mew}}'s DNA to complete the Genetic Pokémon, Blaine had finished it by using cells from his own arm. In the process, some of Mewtwo's cells ended up in his arm, causing it to be horribly mutatated. This also gave both him and Mewtwo the ability to sense each other's presence. However, the mutated cells in his arm were slowly spreading to the rest of his body, and would eventually kill him. Realizing what kind of an abomination he had created, Blaine had subsequently left Team Rocket.

Blaine was determined to destroy the monster he himself had created, even if it would cost him his life. After putting Red inside of a protective fireball, he and Rapidash charged through the Psywave tornado at Mewtwo, creating a massive explosion. Despite the hit, Mewtwo was still capable of fighting. As Blaine was down for the count, Red tried to battle Mewtwo himself, sending out [[Poli]]. However, Mewtwo easily knocked the Tadpole Pokémon back with a giant spoon it created. Blaine explained that Mewtwo would form its Psywave into a tornado while fighting multiple enemies at once, and into a spoon for a single enemy. This gave Red an idea, and he sent out all of his Pokémon, causing Mewtwo to switch into its tornado tactic again. However, before the tornado got to full power, Red dived into the eye of the storm with [[Aero]], and sent [[Pika]] diving further down into Mewtwo itself, capturing it with the [[Master Ball]] Blaine had given Red just moments earlier. Afterwards, Red gave Mewtwo to Blaine, telling him to teach it the kindness of humans, before heading off to the [[Indigo Plateau]].
{{-}}

==Trivia==
*In the Generation I handheld games, the nest feature of the Pokédex never displays Pokémon as appearing in Cerulean Cave, likely to keep its existence as a secret until the player beats the game. However, the [[Pokémon Stadium series|Pokémon Stadium]] games do display Pokémon appearing here.

==In other languages==
{|
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|
''Cerulean Cave''
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|cave}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|cave}}
|zh_yue=華藍洞窟 ''{{tt|Huálán Dòngkū|Huálán Cave}}''
|zh_cmn=華藍洞窟 / 华蓝洞窟 ''{{tt|Huálán Dòngkū|Huálán Cave}}''
|fr=Caverne Azurée
|de=Azuria-Höhle
|it=Grotta Celeste
|ko=블루시티동굴 ''{{tt|Blue City Donggul|Blue City Cave}}''
|pt_br=Caverna de Cerulean
|es=Cueva Celeste
|vi=Hang động Hanada
}}
|
''Unknown Dungeon''
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|cave}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|cave}}
|da=Det Ukendte Tårn{{tt|*|Danish version of The Official Pokémon Handbook}}
|fr_ca=Grotte Inconnue
|fr_eu=Grotte Inconnue
|de=Geheimdungeon
|it=Grotta Ignota
|pt_br=Calabouço Desconhecido
|es=Mazmorra Rara
}}
|}

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{{Kanto}}
{{legendarylocations|kanto}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

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[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! locations]]
[[Category:Caves]]

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[[es:Cueva Celeste]]
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[[it:Grotta Celeste]]
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[[zh:华蓝洞窟]]

Talk:Cerulean Gym

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EternalDragonX: /* why does it */

== Merging R/B with Yellow ==
Should we merge RBY together? And is this the case for all the gyms? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:This is not the case for all gyms; some leaders in Yellow (most in fact) use different Pokémon. I’m not really sure if it would make more sense to merge duplicate data or to consistently use separate sections for each game. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Fishing ==

Isn't it possible to catch wild Magikarp in the gym in Generation I?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 01:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
:Confirmed, it is possible to catch wild Magikarp in the gym. Shouldn't this be added to the article?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 01:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

::The Good Rod is also perfectly usable in all [[Generation I]] as well to catch Goldeen and Poliwag. Not only that, all rods have a reaction in {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, but I don't seem to recall Corsola or Staryu appearing at the gym--it wasn't until {{v2|Crystal}} that fishing in the Cerulean Gym was made to not yield anything.

::In fact, I seem to recall a little fishing could be done in [[Lorelei]]'s chamber at the [[Indigo Plateau]] in [[Generation I]] with the same rod compatability found at the Cerulean Gym...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

== HG SS ==

I can't find Misty in the gym in HGSS, someone can help me? {{unsigned|Gabo 2oo}}

- Did you go to Route 25, in front of Bill's house? --[[User:EBnDr|EBnDr]] 17:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Misty's Pokémon in Generation I ==

This was mentioned above, but never brought to a conclusion. Is there any need for Misty's team to be listed separately for Red/Blue and Yellow? They're exactly the same. [[User:Schreiber|Schrei]][[User talk:Schreiber|ber]] 02:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:Except they have completely different sprites, no need to merge or anything. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:21, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

== Fishing in Yellow ==

When trying to fish in Cerulean Gym in Yellow, it gives the message "Looks like there's nothing here." Ergo, no fishing in the Gym in Yellow. [[User:Bulbabulbabulbasaur|Bulbabulbabulbasaur]] ([[User talk:Bulbabulbabulbasaur|talk]]) 19:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the information. I have edited the article accordingly. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 19:38, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Redesing ==

The redising in the Sun & Moon series is based on a real world japanese acuarium. --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 04:13, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

==why does it==
why does it say that scald is tm29? [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 22:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
:cuz it is lol. a common theme of new games is that tms get changed entirely, both numbers and moves. it took me 30 seconds to google this: https://youtu.be/8YgL9XvY3-k?t=3699 --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 01:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
::um,i'm pretty sure tm29 is psychic in all 7 generations and that scald was tm55 ever since the introduction of scald. so if scald is tm29, what is tm55? [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 19:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:::like i said, new games change tms all the time. doesnt mean they WILL change, but they can, as is the case here. it seems you did not take my implied advice from my first message: you can find a lot of stuff just by typing it in the search bar. https://youtu.be/3Wa1DXKKShQ?t=845 <- this took me 5 seconds to google. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 19:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!

2018-11-18T17:44:45Z

EternalDragonX: /* Trivia */

Victory Road (Kanto)

2018-11-18T02:00:38Z

EternalDragonX: /* 1F */

{{Infobox location
|image=HGSS Victory Road-{{#switch: {{#time: G}}|4|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16=Day|17|18|19=Evening|20|21|22|23|0|1|2|3=Night}}.png
|image_size=256
|type=cave
|mapdesc=A tunnel situated on <sc>Route</sc> 23. It earned its name because it must be traveled by all <sc>Trainers</sc> aiming for the top.{{sup/3|FRLG}} A road that tests Trainers aiming at the Pokémon League.{{sup/4|HGSS}}
|location_name=Victory Road
|japanese_name=チャンピオンロード
|translated_name=Champion Road
|location={{rt|23|Kanto}} (In Generations {{Gen|I}} and {{Gen|III}}) Between [[Pokémon League Reception Gate]] and {{rt|23|Kanto}} (In [[Generation II]]) Between [[Pokémon League Reception Gate]] and [[Indigo Plateau]] (In [[Generation IV]])
|region=Kanto
|generation={{Gen|I}}, {{Gen|II}}, {{Gen|III}}, {{Gen|IV}}
|map=Kanto Victory Road Map.png
}}
'''Victory Road''' (Japanese: '''チャンピオンロード''' ''Champion Road'') is a tunnel situated on {{rt|23|Kanto}}. It earned its name because it must be traveled by all {{pkmn|Trainer}}s aiming for the top. Its other end opens up in [[Indigo Plateau]] and the [[Pokémon League]]. Only Trainers with the eight [[Kanto]] or [[Johto]] [[Badge]]s are allowed to enter it.

==In the games==
Victory Road has three floors. To reach the other end of the tunnel in Generations I, III and IV, a series of puzzles involving using {{m|Strength}} to move boulders need to be solved.

In [[Generation I]], Victory Road is where the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Moltres}} can be found. In {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, it is instead found at [[One Island]]'s [[Mt. Ember]] and is subsequently found in [[Mt. Silver]] in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

A [[Move Tutor]] at the very end of Victory Road in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen offers to teach a Pokémon the [[move]] {{m|Double-Edge}}.

In some promotional artwork for [[Generation II]], Victory Road is depicted as being part of Mt. Silver, but this is not confirmed.

According to {{ga|Silver}} in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, the reason for the absence of Trainers in Victory Road during [[Generation IV]] is because he defeated them all.

In Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, after beating the {{DL|Elite Four|Kanto/Johto Elite Four|Elite Four}} for the first time and boarding the [[S.S. Aqua]], the {{pkmn|battle}} music in Victory Road (as well as in the [[Tohjo Falls]], {{rt|26|Kanto|Routes 26}}, {{rtn|27|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|28|Kanto}}) changes from the Johto style to the Kanto style. This change was not present in the original {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} nor in {{game|Crystal}}.

===Items===
=====1F=====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|On a rock near the center of the floor ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Candy Yellow|Reward for defeating {{tc|Coach Trainer}} Alemana|LP=yes|display=[[Pikachu Candy]] ×10}}
{{Itemlist|Candy Brown|Reward for defeating {{tc|Coach Trainer}} Alemana|LE=yes|display=[[Eevee Candy]] ×10}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|In the north area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Leaf Stone|In the north area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Flying|In the north area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|43|Sky Attack}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Dragon|In the north area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|02|Dragon Claw}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Rock VI|In the north area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{TM|56|Stealth Rock}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|On the rock two squares east of [[TM02]] ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|In the northwest corner of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|
* On a rock west of the entrance ''(hidden)''
* In the northeast corner|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display=[[Full Heal]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|In the northeast corner|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Potion|North of the ledge north of the entrance|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|On the L-shaped raised section west of the Potion ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|Underneath the bridge|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|West of the L-shaped raised section ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|Amid the jumble of rocks at the northern end|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|Southeast of the {{tc|Black Belt}}|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|05|Mega Kick}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ground|Southeast of {{tc|Black Belt}} Daisuke|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|37|Sandstorm}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|Southwest of the {{tc|Tamer}}|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Fighting|In the northeast area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|17|Submission}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ice|Southeast of {{tc|Juggler}} Gregory|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|07|Hail}}}}
{{Itemlist|Guard Spec.|In the northwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|PP Max|In the northwest area of the floor, south of {{p|Moltres}}|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|One square west of the {{tc|Poké Maniac}}, on a rock ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|One square west of the ladder west of the exit, on a rock ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|On the northeast ledge|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ground|On the northwest ledge|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display={{TM|26|Earthquake}}}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|On the rock next to TM26 ''(hidden)''|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|X Special|On the south ledge|G=yes|S=yes|display=[[X Sp. Atk|X Special]]|sprite=Bag X Sp. Atk Sprite}}
{{Itemlist|HP Up|On the south ledge|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|On a stalagmite east of the ladder from 1F ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|On landing spot beneath first hole ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|West of second ladder|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|On landing spot beneath the fourth hole ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|HP Up|Northeast of the landing spot beneath the fourth hole|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ground|Reachable by going down the last hole on 3F|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|26|Earthquake}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

=====3F=====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|In the northeast area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|In the northwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|47|Explosion}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Fire|In the northwest area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|50|Overheat}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ice VI|In the northwest area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{TM|51|Blizzard}}}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|Southeast of [[Officer Jenny]], on the plateau|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|Near the southeast corner of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Golden Nanab Berry|In the southern area, northeast of the pair of {{tc|Ace Trainer}}s|LP=yes|LE=yes|display=[[Nanab Berry|Golden Nanab Berry]] ×5}}
{{Itemlist|TM Dragon VI|Reward for defeating {{tc|Coach Trainer}} Ryan|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{TM|39|Outrage}}}}
{{Itemlist|Hyper Potion|On a stalagmite north-east of the first hole ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|West of second ladder|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Zinc|Behind a smashable rock west of the Ultra Ball ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|Northeast of the last hole|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Dark|Behind three smashable rocks south of the exit (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|79|Dark Pulse}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

=====Rock Smash=====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Red Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Blue Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Yellow Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Green Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Heart Scale|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Star Piece|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

===Pokémon===
====Generation I====
=====1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Cave|22|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Cave|39, 44|20%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|41|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|066|Machop|yes|yes|no|Cave|24|25%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|yes|yes|no|Cave|42|4%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|yes|yes|no|Cave|26|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|no|no|yes|Cave|26, 31, 36, 41|65%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Cave|41|5%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|41, 47|5%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Cave|36, 39, 42|30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|43, 45|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|105|Marowak|yes|yes|no|Cave|43|1%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Cave|26|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Cave|44|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|40|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|39|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|066|Machop|yes|yes|no|Cave|22|25%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|yes|yes|no|Cave|41|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|no|no|yes|Cave|39, 42|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|yes|yes|no|Cave|24|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|no|no|yes|Cave|31, 36, 41|55%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Cave|43|1%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|44|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Cave|36, 39, 42|30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|45, 47|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|105|Marowak|yes|yes|no|Cave|40|4%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entry1|146|Moltres|yes|yes|yes|Special|50|One|type1=Fire|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====3F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Cave|22|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|41|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|44|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|049|Venomoth|yes|yes|no|Cave|40|10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|066|Machop|yes|yes|no|Cave|24|25%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|yes|yes|no|Cave|42, 45|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|no|no|yes|Cave|42, 45|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|yes|yes|no|Cave|26|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|no|no|yes|Cave|36, 41, 46|50%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Cave|43|5%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|41, 47|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Cave|42, 45|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|49|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation II====
''In the Japanese and Korean games, {{p|Ursaring}} appears only in Silver, while {{p|Donphan}} appears only in Gold.''
{{catch/header|cave|yes}}
{{catch/entry2|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|32|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|34|10%|10%|30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Cave|32|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|34|30%|30%|0%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|34-40|0%|0%|50%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|217|Ursaring|yes|no|no|Cave|33|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|232|Donphan|no|yes|no|Cave|33|all=20%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Cave|34-36|all=15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|33|20%|20%|0%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|32|0%|0%|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|111|Rhyhorn|yes|yes|no|Cave|35|all=5%|type1=Ground|type2=Rock}}
{{catch/entry2|111|Rhyhorn|no|no|yes|Cave|32|30%|30%|0%|type1=Ground|type2=Rock}}
{{catch/entry2|028|Sandslash|no|no|yes|Cave|35|5%|5%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|112|Rhydon|no|no|yes|Cave|35|5%|5%|0%|type1=Ground|type2=Rock}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation III====
=====1F and 3F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|024|Arbok|yes|no|Cave|44|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|028|Sandslash|no|yes|Cave|44|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|32|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|44|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|066|Machop|yes|yes|Cave|32|20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|44, 46|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Cave|32|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|095|Onix|yes|yes|Cave|40, 43, 46|30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|105|Marowak|yes|yes|Cave|44, 46|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|024|Arbok|yes|no|Cave|46|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|028|Sandslash|no|yes|Cave|46|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|34|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|46|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|057|Primeape|yes|yes|Cave|42|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|066|Machop|yes|yes|Cave|34|20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|46, 48|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Cave|34|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|095|Onix|yes|yes|Cave|45, 48|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|105|Marowak|yes|yes|Cave|46, 48|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation IV====
{{catch/header|cave|4}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|32|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Cave|32|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|232|Donphan|yes|no|Cave|33|all=20%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|217|Ursaring|no|yes|Cave|33|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|095|Onix|yes|yes|Cave|34-36|all=15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|111|Rhyhorn|yes|yes|Cave|35|all=5%|type1=Ground|type2=Rock}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|24-32|all=90%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|30-33|all=10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|33|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|32|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|33|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|32|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

===Trainers===
====Generation I====
{{Trainerheader|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer||1540|2|053|Persian||44||038|Ninetales||44|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer||1470|4|002|Ivysaur||42||008|Wartortle||42||005|Charmeleon||42||006|Charizard||42|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Blackbelt.png|Blackbelt||1075|3|067|Machoke||43||066|Machop||43||067|Machoke||43|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Juggler.png|Juggler||1435|4|096|Drowzee||41||097|Hypno||41||064|Kadabra||41||064|Kadabra||41|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Tamer.png|Tamer||1760|2|053|Persian||44||055|Golduck||44|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Juggler.png|Juggler||1680|1|122|Mr. Mime||48|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG PokéManiac.png|PokéManiac||2000|3|005|Charmeleon||40||131|Lapras||40||108|Lickitung||40|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer||1505|3|103|Exeggutor||43||091|Cloyster||43||059|Arcanine||43|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer||1505|3|047|Parasect||43||087|Dewgong||43||113|Chansey||43|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer||1505|3|099|Kingler||43||073|Tentacruel||43||009|Blastoise||43|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer||1505|3|069|Bellsprout||43||070|Weepinbell||43||071|Victreebel||43|||}}
{{trainerfooter|cave|I}}

====Generation II====
{{MSP|152|Chikorita}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chikorita}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr GS Silver 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2280
|name=Silver
|game=GSC
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=215
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|move1=Quick Attack|move1type=Normal
|move2=Screech|move2type=Normal
|move3=Faint Attack|move3type=Dark
|move4=Fury Cutter|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=36
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|move1=Wing Attack|move1type=Flying
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark
|move4=Leech Life|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=35|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Swift|move3type=Normal
|move4=ThunderShock|move4type=Electric}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Curse|move2type=???
|move3=Mean Look|move3type=Normal
|move4=Confuse Ray|move4type=Ghost}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal
|move2=Future Sight|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal
|move4=Psybeam|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=157
|pokemon=Typhlosion
|gender=male
|level=38
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire
|move2=SmokeScreen|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Flame Wheel|move4type=Fire}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|155|Cyndaquil}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Cyndaquil}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr GS Silver 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2280
|name=Silver
|game=GSC
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=215
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|move1=Quick Attack|move1type=Normal
|move2=Screech|move2type=Normal
|move3=Faint Attack|move3type=Dark
|move4=Fury Cutter|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=36
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|move1=Wing Attack|move1type=Flying
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark
|move4=Leech Life|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=35|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Swift|move3type=Normal
|move4=ThunderShock|move4type=Electric}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Curse|move2type=???
|move3=Mean Look|move3type=Normal
|move4=Confuse Ray|move4type=Ghost}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal
|move2=Future Sight|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal
|move4=Psybeam|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=160
|pokemon=Feraligatr
|gender=male
|level=38
|type1=Water
|move1=Slash|move1type=Normal
|move2=Scary Face|move2type=Normal
|move3=Rage|move3type=Normal
|move4=Water Gun|move4type=Water}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|158|Totodile}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Totodile}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr GS Silver 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2280
|name=Silver
|game=GSC
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=215
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|move1=Quick Attack|move1type=Normal
|move2=Screech|move2type=Normal
|move3=Faint Attack|move3type=Dark
|move4=Fury Cutter|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=36
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|move1=Wing Attack|move1type=Flying
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark
|move4=Leech Life|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=35|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Swift|move3type=Normal
|move4=ThunderShock|move4type=Electric}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Curse|move2type=???
|move3=Mean Look|move3type=Normal
|move4=Confuse Ray|move4type=Ghost}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal
|move2=Future Sight|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal
|move4=Psybeam|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=154
|pokemon=Meganium
|gender=male
|level=38
|type1=Grass
|move1=PoisonPowder|move1type=Poison
|move2=Razor Leaf|move2type=Grass
|move3=Body Slam|move3type=Normal
|move4=Reflect|move4type=Psychic}}
{{Party/Footer}}

====Generation III====
{{trainerheader|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer|Naomi|1512|5|053|Persian|♀|42|None|077|Ponyta|♀|42|None|078|Rapidash|♀|42|None|037|Vulpix|♀|42|None|038|Ninetales|♀|42|None|36=カナコ|37=Kanako}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer|Rolando|1512|5|020|Raticate|♂|42|None|002|Ivysaur|♂|42|None|008|Wartortle|♂|42|None|005|Charmeleon|♂|42|None|006|Charizard|♂|42|None|36=アサオ|37=Asao}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Daisuke|1032|3|067|Machoke|♂|43|Black Belt|066|Machop|♂|43|Black Belt|067|Machoke|♂|43|Black Belt|36=タダシ|37=Tadashi}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Juggler.png|Juggler|Nelson|1640|4|096|Drowzee|♂|41|None|097|Hypno|♂|41|None|064|Kadabra|♂|41|None|064|Kadabra|♂|41|None|36=ナミオ|37=Namio}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Tamer.png|Tamer|Vincent|1760|2|053|Persian|♂|44|None|055|Golduck|♂|44|None|36=ユウト|37=Yūto}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Juggler.png|Juggler|Gregory|1920|1|122|Mr. Mime|♂|48|None|36=コリン|37=Collin}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer|George|1512|5|103|Exeggutor|♂|42|None|028|Sandslash|♂|42|None|091|Cloyster|♂|42|None|101|Electrode||42|None|059|Arcanine|♂|42|none|36=カズマ|37=Kazuma}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG PokéManiac.png|PokéManiac|Dawson|1920|3|005|Charmeleon|♂|40|None|131|Lapras|♂|40|None|108|Lickitung|♂|40|None|36=ノゾム|37=Nozomu}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer|Alexa|1512|5|035|Clefairy|♀|42|None|039|Jigglypuff|♀|42|None|053|Persian|♀|42|None|087|Dewgong|♀|42|None|113|Chansey|♀|42|none|36=サヤカ|37=Sayaka}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer|Colby|1548|5|099|Kingler|♂|41|None|061|Poliwhirl|♂|42|None|073|Tentacruel|♂|42|None|117|Seadra|♂|42|None|009|Blastoise|♂|43|none|36=シュウ|37=Shū}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer|Caroline|1512|5|069|Bellsprout|♀|42|None|070|Weepinbell|♀|42|None|071|Victreebel|♀|42|None|046|Paras|♀|42|None|047|Parasect|♀|42|none|36=コトミ|37=Kotomi}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cool Couple.png|Cool Couple|Ray & Tyra|2160|2|034|Nidoking|♂|45|None|031|Nidoqueen|♀|45|None|36=シンとカヨ|37=Shin and Kayo}}
{{trainerfooter|cave}}

====Generation IV====
{{MSP|152|Chikorita}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chikorita}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr HGSS Silver.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2560
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=HGSS
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=215 m|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male|level=36|type1=Dark|type2=Ice|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Icy Wind|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Fury Swipes|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=042 m|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male|level=38|type1=Poison|type2=Flying|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special
|move4=Astonish|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=082|pokemon=Magneton
|level=37|type1=Electric|type2=Steel|ability=Magnet Pull
|move1=Spark|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Status
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Magnet Bomb|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|{{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=064 m|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Psychic|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Reflect|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Psybeam|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Recover|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=093|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison|ability=Levitate
|move1=Curse|move1type=???|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mean Look|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=157|pokemon=Typhlosion
|gender=male|level=40|type1=Fire|ability=Blaze
|move1=Lava Plume|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Swift|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Flame Wheel|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|155|Cyndaquil}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Cyndaquil}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr HGSS Silver.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2560
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=HGSS
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=215 m|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male|level=36|type1=Dark|type2=Ice|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Icy Wind|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Fury Swipes|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=042 m|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male|level=38|type1=Poison|type2=Flying|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special
|move4=Astonish|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=082|pokemon=Magneton
|level=37|type1=Electric|type2=Steel|ability=Magnet Pull
|move1=Spark|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Status
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Magnet Bomb|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|{{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=064 m|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Psychic|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Reflect|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Psybeam|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Recover|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=093|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison|ability=Levitate
|move1=Curse|move1type=???|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mean Look|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=160|pokemon=Feraligatr
|gender=male|level=40|type1=Water|ability=Torrent
|move1=Waterfall|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Crunch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|158|Totodile}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Totodile}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr HGSS Silver.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2560
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=HGSS
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=215 m|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male|level=36|type1=Dark|type2=Ice|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Icy Wind|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Fury Swipes|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=042 m|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male|level=38|type1=Poison|type2=Flying|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special
|move4=Astonish|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=082|pokemon=Magneton
|level=37|type1=Electric|type2=Steel|ability=Magnet Pull
|move1=Spark|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Status
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Magnet Bomb|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|{{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=064 m|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Psychic|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Reflect|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Psybeam|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Recover|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=093|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison|ability=Levitate
|move1=Curse|move1type=???|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mean Look|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=154_m|pokemon=Meganium
|gender=male|level=40|type1=Grass|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Reflect|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Petal Dance|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special
|move3=PoisonPowder|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Status
|move4=Synthesis|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Layout===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 5px solid #{{locationcolor/med|cave}}"
|- style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|cave}}"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! 1F
! 2F
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | 3F
|- style="background:#000"
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red}}
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 1F RBY.png‎|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 2F RBY.png‎|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 3F RBY.png‎|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{blue color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}
|-
! style="background:#{{gold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold}}
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 1F GSC.png|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 2F GSC.png‎|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 3F GSC.png‎|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{silver color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Silver}}
|-
! style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
|-
! style="background:#{{firered color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 1F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 2F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 3F FRLG.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{leafgreen color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen}}
|-
! style="background:#{{heartgold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 1F HGSS.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 2F HGSS.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 3F HGSS.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{soulsilver color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SoulSilver}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

==[[Location preview|Preview]]==
<gallery>
File:FL Victory Road.png|FRLG
File:HGSS Victory Road-Morning.png|HGSS Morning (Rhyhorn)
File:HGSS Victory Road-Day.png|HGSS Day/Evening (Graveler)
File:HGSS Victory Road-Night.png|HGSS Night (Golbat)
</gallery>

==In the anime==
[[File:Victory Road PO.png|250px|thumb|Victory Road in [[Pokémon Origins]]]]
[[File:Red Charizard Moltres Flamethrower PO.png|250px|thumb|left|Moltres's nest in Pokémon Origins]]
===In Pokémon Origins===
Victory Road appeared briefly in ''[[PO04|File 4: Charizard]]'', as {{OBP|Red|Origins}} was shown exiting it on his way to the [[Indigo Plateau]]. Later in the episode, Red was shown battling {{p|Moltres}} at the Victory Road with his {{TP|Red|Charizard}}, catching the Legendary bird soon after off-screen.
{{-}}

==Trivia==
* In [[Generation II|Generations II]] and {{gen|IV}}, Kanto Victory Road has the least amount of Trainers of all Victory Roads, the only Trainer battle being against {{ga|Silver}}.
* In [[Generation I]], if a player falls through the hole from 3F to 2F while riding their bike, they will be forced off the bike in the transition, but the bike music will keep playing.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/med|cave}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|cave}}
|fr=Route Victoire
|de=Siegesstraße
|it=Via Vittoria
|ko=챔피언로드 ''Champion Road''
|pt_br=Estrada da Vitória
|es=Calle Victoria
}}

{{-}}
{{Victory Roads}}
{{Kanto and Johto}}
{{legendarylocations|kanto}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Kanto locations]]
[[Category:Red, Blue and Yellow locations]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations]]
[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! locations]]
[[Category:Caves]]

[[de:Siegesstraße (Kanto)]]
[[es:Calle Victoria (Kanto)]]
[[fr:Route Victoire (Kanto)]]
[[it:Via Vittoria (Kanto)]]
[[ja:チャンピオンロード (カントー地方)]]
[[zh:冠军之路（关都）]]

Talk:Cerulean Gym

2018-11-18T01:56:18Z

EternalDragonX: /* why does it */

== Merging R/B with Yellow ==
Should we merge RBY together? And is this the case for all the gyms? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:This is not the case for all gyms; some leaders in Yellow (most in fact) use different Pokémon. I’m not really sure if it would make more sense to merge duplicate data or to consistently use separate sections for each game. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Fishing ==

Isn't it possible to catch wild Magikarp in the gym in Generation I?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 01:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
:Confirmed, it is possible to catch wild Magikarp in the gym. Shouldn't this be added to the article?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 01:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

::The Good Rod is also perfectly usable in all [[Generation I]] as well to catch Goldeen and Poliwag. Not only that, all rods have a reaction in {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, but I don't seem to recall Corsola or Staryu appearing at the gym--it wasn't until {{v2|Crystal}} that fishing in the Cerulean Gym was made to not yield anything.

::In fact, I seem to recall a little fishing could be done in [[Lorelei]]'s chamber at the [[Indigo Plateau]] in [[Generation I]] with the same rod compatability found at the Cerulean Gym...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

== HG SS ==

I can't find Misty in the gym in HGSS, someone can help me? {{unsigned|Gabo 2oo}}

- Did you go to Route 25, in front of Bill's house? --[[User:EBnDr|EBnDr]] 17:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Misty's Pokémon in Generation I ==

This was mentioned above, but never brought to a conclusion. Is there any need for Misty's team to be listed separately for Red/Blue and Yellow? They're exactly the same. [[User:Schreiber|Schrei]][[User talk:Schreiber|ber]] 02:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:Except they have completely different sprites, no need to merge or anything. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:21, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

== Fishing in Yellow ==

When trying to fish in Cerulean Gym in Yellow, it gives the message "Looks like there's nothing here." Ergo, no fishing in the Gym in Yellow. [[User:Bulbabulbabulbasaur|Bulbabulbabulbasaur]] ([[User talk:Bulbabulbabulbasaur|talk]]) 19:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for the information. I have edited the article accordingly. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 19:38, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

== Redesing ==

The redising in the Sun & Moon series is based on a real world japanese acuarium. --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 04:13, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
==why does it==
why does it say that scald is tm29? [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 22:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
:cuz it is lol. a common theme of new games is that tms get changed entirely, both numbers and moves. it took me 30 seconds to google this: https://youtu.be/8YgL9XvY3-k?t=3699 --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 01:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

S.S. Anne

2018-11-16T23:36:41Z

EternalDragonX: /* Port */

{{Infobox location
|image=SS Anne FRLG.png
|image_size=240
|type=ocean
|location_name=S.S. Anne
|japanese_name=サント・アンヌ号
|translated_name=St. Annu
|location=[[Vermilion City]]
|region=Kanto
|generation={{Gen|I}}, {{Gen|III}}
|map=Kanto Vermilion City Map.png
}}

The '''{{wp|Steamship|S.S.}} Anne''' (Japanese: '''{{j|サント・アンヌ{{tt|号|ごう}}}}''' ''St. Annu'') is a well-known luxury cruise liner which [[Transportation in the Pokémon world|sails]] the {{pkmn|world}}, stopping annually in [[Vermilion City]], [[Kanto]].

In the {{pkmn|anime}}, it is referred to as '''St. Anne''', its Japanese name.

==Overview==
[[File:RG SS Ticket.png|thumb|[[S.S. Ticket]] artwork from {{2v2|Red|Green}}]]
To get on the S.S. Anne in the {{pkmn|games}}, players must first obtain an [[S.S. Ticket]] by helping out [[Bill]] at [[Sea Cottage|his home]] on {{rt|25|Kanto}}.

This ship contains many [[Pokémon Trainer]]s, including many {{tc|Gentleman|Gentlemen}} and {{tc|Sailor}}s. In [[Generation III]], in one room on the first floor, a lady will restore a Trainer's party on hand to full health. Before reaching the captain's cabin, {{player}}s will encounter {{ga|Blue}} and must battle him.

When Blue is defeated, the player will be able to enter the Captain's quarters, where they will find him seasick. By choosing to help him by giving him a backrub, players will be able to get {{HM|01|Cut}}.

Once the captain is healed, the S.S. Anne will sail away the moment player exits the ship. Although it is said to return once a year, none of the games in which it appears have a [[time]] system capable of measuring this, and the ship will not be seen again. The only way in which one can get the ship to remain is by losing a battle and [[black out|blacking out]], thus returning to the [[Pokémon Center]] (or using a {{DL|List of glitches in Generation I|S.S. Anne reboarding|Generation I glitch}}).

As the player cannot return to the ship once it has left, all of the items on the ship and in the port can be [[Permanently missable items|permanently missed]] without ever obtaining them.

==Items==
===Port===
{{Itlisth|ocean}}
{{itemlist|Lava Cookie|Far southeast of the [[S.S. Anne#Rumors|truck]], in the southeast corner, only accessible while the S.S. Anne is moored in [[Vermilion Harbor]] (requires {{m|Surf}}) ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{itemlist|Revive|Southeast of the [[S.S. Anne#Rumors|truck]] (requires [[Secret Technique|Sea Skim]]) ''(hidden)''|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|ocean}}

===Ship===
{{Itlisth|ocean}}
{{Itemlist|Hyper Potion|B1F, on the trash can in the southeast corner ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|B1F, in the first room from the east|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Super Potion|B1F, in the first room from the east|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ether|B1F, in the third room from the east|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Psychic|B1F, in the fourth room from the east|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|44|Rest}}}}
{{Itemlist|Hyper Potion|B1F, in the fifth room from the east, in the southwest corner{{sup/1|RG}} or on the bed's pillow{{sup/1|RBY}} ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Shalour Sable|1F, gift from {{ga|Blue}} upon first entering the ship|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|1F, in the second room from the west|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|08|Body Slam}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Fighting|1F, in the second room from the west|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|31|Brick Break}}}}
{{Itemlist|Great Ball|Kitchen, in the southwest corner|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ball|Great}}}}
{{Itemlist|Great Ball|Kitchen, on the southernmost trash can ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{ball|Great}}}}
{{Itemlist|Chesto Berry|Kitchen, on the southernmost trash can ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Cheri Berry|Kitchen, on the middle trash can ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Pecha Berry|Kitchen, on the on the northernmost trash can ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|2F, in the second room from the west|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Stardust|2F, in the second room from the west|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|2F, in the fourth room from the west|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|X Attack|2F, in the fourth room from the west|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|HM Normal|2F, gift from the captain in his quarters|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{HM|01|Cut}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|ocean}}

==Trainers==
===Generation I===
====Deck====
{{trainerheader|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Sailor.png|Sailor||510|2|066|Machop||17||072|Tentacool||17}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Sailor.png|Sailor||540|2|066|Machop||18||090|Shellder||18}}
{{Trainerfooter|ocean|I}}

====B1F====
{{trainerheader|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Sailor.png|Sailor||630|1|090|Shellder||21}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Sailor.png|Sailor||510|3|116|Horsea||17||090|Shellder||17||072|Tentacool||17}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Sailor.png|Sailor||510|3|116|Horsea||17||116|Horsea||17||116|Horsea||17}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Sailor.png|Sailor||540|2|072|Tentacool||18||120|Staryu||18}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Fisherman.png|Fisherman||595|3|072|Tentacool||17||120|Staryu||17||090|Shellder||17}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Sailor.png|Sailor||600|1|066|Machop||20}}
{{Trainerfooter|ocean|I}}

====1F====
{{trainerheader|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Gentleman.png|Gentleman||1260|2|058|Growlithe||18||058|Growlithe||18}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Gentleman.png|Gentleman||1330|2|032|Nidoran♂||19||029|Nidoran♀||19}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Lass.png|Lass||270|2|016|Pidgey||18||029|Nidoran♀||18}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Youngster.png|Youngster||315|1|032|Nidoran♂||21}}
{{Trainerfooter|ocean|I}}

====2F====
{{trainerheader|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Fisherman.png|Fisherman||595|3|118|Goldeen||17||072|Tentacool||17||118|Goldeen||17}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Gentleman.png|Gentleman|{{sup/1|RB}}|1610|1|025|Pikachu||23}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr Y Gentleman.png|Gentleman|{{sup/1|Y}}|1540|2|100|Voltorb||22||081|Magnemite||22}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Gentleman.png|Gentleman||1190|2|058|Growlithe||17||077|Ponyta||17}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Lass.png|Lass|{{sup/1|RB}}|270|2|019|Rattata||18||025|Pikachu||18}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr Y Lass.png|Lass|{{sup/1|Y}}|300|1|039|Jigglypuff||20}}
{{Trainerfooter|ocean|I}}

=====Pokémon Red and Blue=====
{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Bulbasaur}}:
{{Party/Single|color={{blue color}}|headcolor={{blue color light}}|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr RG Blue 2.png
|prize={{pdollar}}1300
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=RGB
|location=S.S. Anne
|pokemon=4}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=017
|pokemon=Pidgeotto
|level=19
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|move1=Gust|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand-Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=020
|pokemon=Raticate
|level=16
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hyper Fang|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=18
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Teleport|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Confusion|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=005
|pokemon=Charmeleon
|level=20
|type1=Fire
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal
|move3=Ember|move3type=Fire
|move4=Leer|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|004|Charmander}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Charmander}}:
{{Party/Single|color={{blue color}}|headcolor={{blue color light}}|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr RG Blue 2.png
|prize={{pdollar}}1300
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=RGB
|location=S.S. Anne
|pokemon=4}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=017
|pokemon=Pidgeotto
|level=19
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|move1=Gust|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand-Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=020
|pokemon=Raticate
|level=16
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hyper Fang|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=18
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Teleport|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Confusion|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=008
|pokemon=Wartortle
|level=20
|type1=Water
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Bubble|move3type=Water
|move4=Water Gun|move4type=Water}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|007|Squirtle}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Squirtle}}:
{{Party/Single|color={{blue color}}|headcolor={{blue color light}}|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr RG Blue 2.png
|prize={{pdollar}}1300
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=RGB
|location=S.S. Anne
|pokemon=4}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=017
|pokemon=Pidgeotto
|level=19
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|move1=Gust|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand-Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=020
|pokemon=Raticate
|level=16
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hyper Fang|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=18
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Teleport|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Confusion|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=002
|pokemon=Ivysaur
|level=20
|type1=Grass|type2=Poison
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal
|move3=Leech Seed|move3type=Grass
|move4=Vine Whip|move4type=Grass}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====Pokémon Yellow=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 2.png
|prize={{pdollar}}1300
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=Y
|location=S.S. Anne
|pokemon=4}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=021
|pokemon=Spearow
|level=19
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|move1=Peck|move1type=Flying
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal
|move3=Leer|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fury Attack|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=019
|pokemon=Rattata
|level=16
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hyper Fang|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=027
|pokemon=Sandshrew
|level=18
|type1=Ground
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand-Attack|move2type=Normal
|move3=Slash|move3type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=133
|pokemon=Eevee
|level=20
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Sand-Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Growl|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Generation III===
====Deck====
{{trainerheader|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Sailor.png|Sailor|Trevor|544|2|066|Machop|♂|17||072|Tentacool|♂|17|36=サンジ|37=Sanji}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Sailor.png|Sailor|Edmond|576|2|066|Machop|♂|18||090|Shellder|♂|18|36=カツヤ|37=Katsuya}}
{{Trainerfooter|ocean}}

====B1F====
{{trainerheader|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Barny|612|3|072|Tentacool|♂|17||120|Staryu||17||090|Shellder|♂|17|36=カズヒコ|37=Kazuhiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Sailor.png|Sailor|Phillip|640|1|066|Machop|♂|20|36=ユウサク|37=Yūsaku}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Sailor.png|Sailor|Huey|576|2|072|Tentacool|♂|18||120|Staryu||18|36=タツロウ|37=Tatsurō}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Sailor.png|Sailor|Dylan|544|3|116|Horsea|♂|17||116|Horsea|♂|17||116|Horsea|♂|17|36=ツヨシ|37=Tsuyoshi}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Sailor.png|Sailor|Duncan|544|3|116|Horsea|♂|17||090|Shellder|♂|17||072|Tentacool|♂|17|36=ヒデフミ|37=Hidefumi}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Sailor.png|Sailor|Leonard|672|1|090|Shellder|♂|21|36=ダイキ|37=Daiki}}
{{Trainerfooter|ocean}}

====1F====
{{trainerheader|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Gentleman.png|Gentleman|Thomas|1296|2|058|Growlithe|♂|18||058|Growlithe|♂|18|36=スコット|37=Scott}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Gentleman.png|Gentleman|Arthur|1368|2|032|Nidoran♂||19||029|Nidoran♀||19|36=ケント|37=Kent}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Lass.png|Lass|Ann|288|2|016|Pidgey|♀|18||029|Nidoran♀||18|36=カヤ|37=Kaya}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Youngster.png‎|Youngster|Tyler|336|1|032|Nidoran♂||21|36=マサノブ|37=Masanobu}}
{{Trainerfooter|ocean}}

====2F====
{{trainerheader|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Fisherman.png|Fisherman|Dale|612|3|118|Goldeen|♂|17||118|Goldeen|♂|17||072|Tentacool|♂|17|36=タカフミ|37=Takafumi}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Gentleman.png|Gentleman|Brooks|1656|1|025|Pikachu|♂|23|36=スミス|37=Smith}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Lass.png|Lass|Dawn|288|2|019|Rattata|♀|18||025|Pikachu|♀|18|36=ユカ|37=Yuka}}
{{Trainerdiv|ocean}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Gentleman.png|Gentleman|Lamar|1224|2|058|Growlithe|♂|17||077|Ponyta|♂|17|36=パーカー|37=Parker}}
{{Trainerfooter|ocean}}

{{MSP|001|Bulbasaur}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Bulbasaur}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr FRLG Blue 2.png
|prize={{PDollar}}720
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=FRLG
|location=S.S. Anne
|pokemon=4}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=017
|pokemon=Pidgeotto
|gender=male
|level=19
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Gust|move2type=Flying
|move3=Sand-Attack|move3type=Ground
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=020
|pokemon=Raticate
|level=16
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Guts
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hyper Fang|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male
|level=18
|type1=Psychic
|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Teleport|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Confusion|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal
|move4=Kinesis|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=005
|pokemon=Charmeleon
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal
|move3=Ember|move3type=Fire
|move4=Metal Claw|move4type=Steel}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|004|Charmander}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Charmander}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr FRLG Blue 2.png
|prize={{PDollar}}720
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=FRLG
|location=S.S. Anne
|pokemon=4}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=017
|pokemon=Pidgeotto
|level=19
|gender=male
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Gust|move2type=Flying
|move3=Sand-Attack|move3type=Ground
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=020
|pokemon=Raticate
|level=16
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Guts
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hyper Fang|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=18
|gender=male
|type1=Psychic
|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Teleport|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Confusion|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal
|move4=Kinesis|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=008
|pokemon=Wartortle
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|move1=Withdraw|move1type=Water
|move2=Bite|move2type=Dark
|move3=Bubble|move3type=Water
|move4=Water Gun|move4type=Water}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|007|Squirtle}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Squirtle}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr FRLG Blue 2.png
|prize={{PDollar}}720
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=FRLG
|location=S.S. Anne
|pokemon=4}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=017
|pokemon=Pidgeotto
|level=19
|gender=male
|type1=Normal|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Gust|move2type=Flying
|move3=Sand-Attack|move3type=Ground
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=020
|pokemon=Raticate
|level=16
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Guts
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Hyper Fang|move4type=Normal}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|level=18
|gender=male
|type1=Psychic
|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Teleport|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Confusion|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal
|move4=Kinesis|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=002
|pokemon=Ivysaur
|level=20
|gender=male
|type1=Grass|type2=Poison
|ability=Overgrow
|move1=PoisonPowder|move1type=Poison
|move2=Sleep Powder|move2type=Grass
|move3=Leech Seed|move3type=Grass
|move4=Vine Whip|move4type=Grass}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Layout==
===B1F-1F===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|ocean}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ocean}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! colspan=2 style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ocean}}" | B1F
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ocean}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" colspan=2 | 1F
|-
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red}}
| rowspan="3" | [[File:SS Anne Basement RBY.png|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:SS Anne Basement Rooms RBY.png|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:SS Anne 1F RBY.png|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:SS Anne 1F Rooms RBY.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{blue color}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}
|-
! style="background:#{{firered color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:SS Anne Basement FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:SS Anne Basement Rooms FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:SS Anne 1F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:SS Anne 1F Rooms FRLG.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{leafgreen color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen}}
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ocean}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

===2F-3F===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 3px solid #{{locationcolor/dark|ocean}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ocean}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! colspan=2 style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ocean}}" | 2F
! style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ocean}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | 3F
|-
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red}}
| rowspan="3" | [[File:SS Anne 2F RBY.png|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:SS Anne 2F Rooms RBY.png|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:SS Anne 3F RBY.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{blue color}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}
|-
! style="background:#{{firered color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:SS Anne 2F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:SS Anne 2F Rooms FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:SS Anne 3F FRLG.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{leafgreen color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|ocean}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

==Rumors==
===The truck===
[[File:SS Anne truck RBY.png|thumb|200px|The original truck]]
In Pokémon {{3v2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, as well as their remakes {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, a truck was placed in the [[Vermilion City#Harbor|S.S. Anne's port]], which seems to serve no evident purpose except as scenery, and was programmed into the game as a floor tile. With scenery being very sparse in the [[Generation I]] games, and this being one of the few sprites with no other purpose than to exist in one spot, fans began speculating that another purpose existed for this truck. The truck cannot be accessed without {{m|Surf}}, which the player would not normally have or be able to use before the S.S. Anne departs.

There are a couple of ways the player can access the truck. One is to lose a battle on the S.S. Anne after obtaining {{HM|01|Cut}} so that the player is warped to the last [[Pokémon Center]] they visited without the S.S. Anne departing and they can return later with {{m|Surf}}. Another is to trade in a Pokémon that knows Cut, so that there is no need to obtain HM01 (Cut). Alternatively, [[List of glitches in Generation I#S.S. Anne reboarding|a glitch]] in [[Generation I]] also allows the player to bypass the sailor who normally blocks the entrance after the ship has departed.

[[File:S S Anne truck FRLG.png|thumb|250px|left|The truck, as it appears in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}]]
A rumor claimed that the truck could be moved with {{m|Strength}} and {{p|Mew}} could be found underneath it. This rumor is untrue. In Generation I, there is nothing to be found around the truck at all, but in FireRed and LeafGreen, a [[Lava Cookie]] is hidden to the south of the truck.

A {{tc|Beauty}} in [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]]'s Quick Battle Mode in the Vs. Mode makes a reference to the truck before the battle starts with a line from a song she is writing: "There's no Pokémon under a truck, maybe you'll just find a {{p|Muk}}!"

===Return===
After the S.S. Anne leaves Vermilion City, it never returns. However, in the Generation I games, one rumor claimed that if the player defeated the [[Elite Four]] 365 times, the ship would return with more powerful opponents on board, due to an NPC in Red and Blue explaining that the ship was a luxury liner for Trainers that visited Vermilion once a year. However, this rumor is untrue.
{{clear}}

==In the anime==
===In the main series===
[[File:SS Anne anime.png|thumb|250px|The St. Anne in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
The S.S. Anne, named the St. Anne in the dub, appeared in ''[[EP015|Battle Aboard the St. Anne]]'' and ''[[EP016|Pokémon Shipwreck]]''.
{{spoilers}}
{{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}}, and {{an|Brock}} boarded the ship after two schoolgirls, who were actually [[Jessie]] and [[James]] in disguise, offered them free tickets. This was part of a {{TRT}} plot to steal the Pokémon of all {{pkmn|Trainer}}s on board. However, Ash and his friends enjoyed the St. Anne, which provided large amounts of food for people on board and allowed [[Pokémon battle]]s below deck. While on board, James was swindled by the [[Magikarp salesman]] into buying a {{DL|List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio|Gyarados|Magikarp}} in a gold-plated [[Poké Ball]], and Ash traded his {{AP|Butterfree}} to a Gentleman for a {{AP|Raticate}}.

Out on the open ocean, Team Rocket, including Jessie, James, {{MTR}}, and a number of {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}s began taking the Pokémon of everyone else on board the St. Anne by force. Ash led a counterattack against the Rockets, leading to a large battle and many of the members of Team Rocket being blasted off through the side of the ship.

Afterwards, the St. Anne started taking on water, and the passengers had to be evacuated. Ash delayed the evacuation to trade back the Raticate for his Butterfree, but the moment Ash obtained Butterfree's Poké Ball, the ship jerked and the Poké Ball bounces out of his hand, while at the same moment James' Magikarp's Poké Ball bounced out of his hand. When both Ash and James went back to go get their Poké Balls, the ship jerked once more and knocked out Ash, {{ashfr}}, and the [[Team Rocket trio]]. When they awoke, the St. Anne was upside down and underwater, balancing on a {{wp|seamount}}.

The two groups fought at first, but Misty took charge and began directing all of them in an emergency escape plan before the ship fell into the depths of the sea floor. Since the ship was upside down, they would need to escape through the thinnest point in its {{wp|hull (watercraft)|hull}}, which Misty knew was in the engine room, having built a model of the ship herself. They made their way through the ship to this point, and then Ash ordered his {{AP|Charmander}} to burn a hole in the hull. With the help of {{AP|Squirtle}}, {{TP|Misty|Goldeen}} and {{TP|Misty|Starmie}}, Ash and his friends were able to swim to safety, while Team Rocket nearly drowned since all they had to rely on was James's Magikarp, which could only {{m|Splash}} around on the floor.

Once everyone was off-board, the St. Anne's balance tilted, and it fell off the seamount, down towards the {{wp|abyssal zone|abyss}}, never to be seen again.

In the special ''[[SS018|The Search for the Legend]]'', [[Ritchie]] rode aboard a ship called the S.S. Anne in the dub; the ship is unnamed in the original Japanese. However, it was named the S.S. Anne rather than St. Anne.

===In Pokémon Origins===
[[File:S.S. Anne Captain PO.png|thumb|250px|The S.S. Anne's captain in [[Pokémon Origins]]]]
The captain of the S.S. Anne briefly appeared in ''[[PO02|File 2: Cubone]]''. He was seen giving {{OBP|Red|Origins}} {{HM|01|Cut}} after he helped him recover from his seasickness.
{{-}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:SS Anne Adventures.png|thumb|200px|S.S. Anne in Pokémon Adventures]]
The S.S. Anne is a huge cargo ship owned by [[Lt. Surge]] that arrives in [[Vermilion City]] port once every month. It has appeared in ''[[PS010|Danger: High Voltorb]]'' and ''[[PS011|Buzz Off, Electabuzz!]]'' supposedly transporting materials from Vermilion to [[Cinnabar Island]]; the truth is that it is used to transport the citizens' {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, kidnapped by Surge and his {{tc|Sailor}}s. {{p|Voltorb}}, {{p|Electrode}}, {{p|Magnemite}}, {{p|Magneton}} and {{p|Electabuzz}} are some of the Pokémon spotted aboard.

After [[Poli]]whirl [[Evolution|evolved]] into {{p|Poliwrath}} it had the strength to rescue {{adv|Red}} and defeat Lt. Surge and Electabuzz with a {{m|Seismic Toss}}, freeing all the captured Pokémon to their rightful owners.

In the {{chap|Yellow}}, the S.S. Anne is now used as a luxury liner for transporting passengers. It was attacked by the [[Team Rocket Elite Trio]] in ''[[PS056|The Coming of Slowpoke (Eventually)]]'', which used a {{p|Slowpoke}} to blow a hole in the ship. Yellow defeated them, and the passengers were saved using [[Kitty]]'s {{m|String Shot}}. The ship, however, sunk at Vermilion Harbor.

====Pokémon====
The S.S. Anne was transporting Pokémon from Vermilion City, mostly {{t|Electric}} types.
{| width="75%"
| {{InactivePoké|S.S. Anne|Voltorb|Lt Surge Voltorb Electrode Adventures.png|Electric|disp=Voltorb (multiple)|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|S.S. Anne|Electrode|Lt Surge Voltorb Electrode Adventures.png|Electric|disp=Electrode (multiple)|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|S.S. Anne|Magnemite|Lt Surge Magnemite Adventures.png|Electric|disp=Magnemite (multiple)|link=no}}
|-
| {{InactivePoké|S.S. Anne|Magneton|Lt Surge Magneton Adventures.png|Electric|disp=Magneton (×3)|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|S.S. Anne|Electabuzz|Lt Surge Electabuzz Adventures.png|Electric|link=no}}
|}

===In the Pokémon Zensho manga===
[[File:SS Anne Zensho.png|thumb|200px|S.S. Anne in Pokémon Zensho]]
S.S. Anne appeared in ''[[PZ04|Vermilion City]]''.
{{sectionstub}}
{{clear}}
==Trivia==
[[File:Global Police agent.png|thumb|right|The Global Police agent in the [[Generation I]] games]]
* In the [[Generation I]] games and {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, an undercover [[International Police|Global Police]] agent appears on the S.S. Anne (using the overworld sprite of a {{tc|Gentleman}}) in pursuit of [[Team Rocket]].
* A model of the S.S. Anne appears in the [[Oceanic Museum]].

===Name origin===
''St. Annu'' ({{j|サント・アンヌ}}) is the name of the computer in [[Game Freak]]'s {{wp|Sega Genesis|Sega Mega Drive}} title ''{{wp|Pulseman}}''.

The Japanese word [http://jisho.org/search/%E5%8F%B7%20%23kanji {{j|号}}] ''gō'', in this context, means "model"; however, it is a Japanese-only descriptor and is not meant to be translated. The English localization uses the equivalent "S.S.", short for {{wp|steamship}}, and drops "St." from the name.
{{-}}

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|ocean}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|ocean}}
|zh_yue=聖特安努號 ''{{tt|Singdahk Ōnnóuh Hào|St. Annu}}'' {{tt|*|Games}} 鐵達尼號 ''{{tt|Titdaahtnèih Houh|Titanic}}'' {{tt|*|Anime}} 聖安奴號 ''{{tt|Sing Ōnnòuh Houh|St. Annu}} {{tt|*|Manga}}
|zh_cmn=聖特安努號 / 圣特安努号 ''{{tt|Shèngtè Ānnǔ Hào|St. Annu}}'' {{tt|*|Games, Pokémon Zensho (Taiwan), Adventures (Mainland China)}} 聖安奴號 / 圣安奴号 ''{{tt|Shèng Ānnú Hào|St. Annu}}'' {{tt|*|Anime, Adventures (Taiwan)}}
|cs=Svatá Anna
|da=St. Anne
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Victory Road (Kanto)

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{{Infobox location
|image=HGSS Victory Road-{{#switch: {{#time: G}}|4|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16=Day|17|18|19=Evening|20|21|22|23|0|1|2|3=Night}}.png
|image_size=256
|type=cave
|mapdesc=A tunnel situated on <sc>Route</sc> 23. It earned its name because it must be traveled by all <sc>Trainers</sc> aiming for the top.{{sup/3|FRLG}} A road that tests Trainers aiming at the Pokémon League.{{sup/4|HGSS}}
|location_name=Victory Road
|japanese_name=チャンピオンロード
|translated_name=Champion Road
|location={{rt|23|Kanto}} (In Generations {{Gen|I}} and {{Gen|III}}) Between [[Pokémon League Reception Gate]] and {{rt|23|Kanto}} (In [[Generation II]]) Between [[Pokémon League Reception Gate]] and [[Indigo Plateau]] (In [[Generation IV]])
|region=Kanto
|generation={{Gen|I}}, {{Gen|II}}, {{Gen|III}}, {{Gen|IV}}
|map=Kanto Victory Road Map.png
}}
'''Victory Road''' (Japanese: '''チャンピオンロード''' ''Champion Road'') is a tunnel situated on {{rt|23|Kanto}}. It earned its name because it must be traveled by all {{pkmn|Trainer}}s aiming for the top. Its other end opens up in [[Indigo Plateau]] and the [[Pokémon League]]. Only Trainers with the eight [[Kanto]] or [[Johto]] [[Badge]]s are allowed to enter it.

==In the games==
Victory Road has three floors. To reach the other end of the tunnel in Generations I, III and IV, a series of puzzles involving using {{m|Strength}} to move boulders need to be solved.

In [[Generation I]], Victory Road is where the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Moltres}} can be found. In {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, it is instead found at [[One Island]]'s [[Mt. Ember]] and is subsequently found in [[Mt. Silver]] in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

A [[Move Tutor]] at the very end of Victory Road in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen offers to teach a Pokémon the [[move]] {{m|Double-Edge}}.

In some promotional artwork for [[Generation II]], Victory Road is depicted as being part of Mt. Silver, but this is not confirmed.

According to {{ga|Silver}} in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, the reason for the absence of Trainers in Victory Road during [[Generation IV]] is because he defeated them all.

In Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, after beating the {{DL|Elite Four|Kanto/Johto Elite Four|Elite Four}} for the first time and boarding the [[S.S. Aqua]], the {{pkmn|battle}} music in Victory Road (as well as in the [[Tohjo Falls]], {{rt|26|Kanto|Routes 26}}, {{rtn|27|Kanto}}, and {{rtn|28|Kanto}}) changes from the Johto style to the Kanto style. This change was not present in the original {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} nor in {{game|Crystal}}.

===Items===
=====1F=====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|On a rock near the center of the floor ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|In the north area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Flying|In the north area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|43|Sky Attack}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Dragon|In the north area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|02|Dragon Claw}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|On the rock two squares east of [[TM02]] ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|
* On a rock west of the entrance ''(hidden)''
* In the northeast corner|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display=[[Full Heal]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|In the northeast corner|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Potion|North of the ledge north of the entrance|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|On the L-shaped raised section west of the Potion ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|Underneath the bridge|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|West of the L-shaped raised section ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|Amid the jumble of rocks at the northern end|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|Southeast of the {{tc|Black Belt}}|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|05|Mega Kick}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ground|Southeast of {{tc|Black Belt}} Daisuke|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|37|Sandstorm}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|Southwest of the {{tc|Tamer}}|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Fighting|In the northeast area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|17|Submission}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ice|Southeast of {{tc|Juggler}} Gregory|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|07|Hail}}}}
{{Itemlist|Guard Spec.|In the northwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|PP Max|In the northwest area of the floor, south of {{p|Moltres}}|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|One square west of the {{tc|Poké Maniac}}, on a rock ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|One square west of the ladder west of the exit, on a rock ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|On the northeast ledge|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ground|On the northwest ledge|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes|display={{TM|26|Earthquake}}}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|On the rock next to TM26 ''(hidden)''|G=yes|S=yes|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|X Special|On the south ledge|G=yes|S=yes|display=[[X Sp. Atk|X Special]]|sprite=Bag X Sp. Atk Sprite}}
{{Itemlist|HP Up|On the south ledge|C=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|On a stalagmite east of the ladder from 1F ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|On landing spot beneath first hole ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|West of second ladder|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|On landing spot beneath the fourth hole ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|HP Up|Northeast of the landing spot beneath the fourth hole|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ground|Reachable by going down the last hole on 3F|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|26|Earthquake}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

=====3F=====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|In the northeast area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Normal|In the northwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{TM|47|Explosion}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Fire|In the northwest area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{TM|50|Overheat}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ice VI|In the northwest area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{TM|51|Blizzard}}}}
{{Itemlist|Max Potion|Southeast of [[Officer Jenny]], on the plateau|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|Near the southeast corner of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Hyper Potion|On a stalagmite north-east of the first hole ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|West of second ladder|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Zinc|Behind a {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rock}} west of the [[Ultra Ball]] ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|Northeast of the last hole|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Dark|Behind three {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} south of the exit (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|79|Dark Pulse}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

=====Rock Smash=====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Red Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Blue Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Yellow Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Green Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Heart Scale|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Star Piece|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing rocks}}|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

===Pokémon===
====Generation I====
=====1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Cave|22|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Cave|39, 44|20%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|41|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|066|Machop|yes|yes|no|Cave|24|25%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|yes|yes|no|Cave|42|4%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|yes|yes|no|Cave|26|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|no|no|yes|Cave|26, 31, 36, 41|65%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Cave|41|5%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|41, 47|5%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Cave|36, 39, 42|30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|43, 45|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|105|Marowak|yes|yes|no|Cave|43|1%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Cave|26|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Cave|44|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|40|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|39|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|066|Machop|yes|yes|no|Cave|22|25%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|yes|yes|no|Cave|41|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|no|no|yes|Cave|39, 42|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|yes|yes|no|Cave|24|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|no|no|yes|Cave|31, 36, 41|55%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Cave|43|1%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|44|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Cave|36, 39, 42|30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|45, 47|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|105|Marowak|yes|yes|no|Cave|40|4%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entry1|146|Moltres|yes|yes|yes|Special|50|One|type1=Fire|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====3F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Cave|22|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|41|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|44|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|049|Venomoth|yes|yes|no|Cave|40|10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|066|Machop|yes|yes|no|Cave|24|25%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|yes|yes|no|Cave|42, 45|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|067|Machoke|no|no|yes|Cave|42, 45|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|yes|yes|no|Cave|26|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|074|Geodude|no|no|yes|Cave|36, 41, 46|50%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Cave|43|5%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|41, 47|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Cave|42, 45|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|49|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation II====
''In the Japanese and Korean games, {{p|Ursaring}} appears only in Silver, while {{p|Donphan}} appears only in Gold.''
{{catch/header|cave|yes}}
{{catch/entry2|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|32|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|34|10%|10%|30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Cave|32|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|34|30%|30%|0%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|34-40|0%|0%|50%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|217|Ursaring|yes|no|no|Cave|33|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|232|Donphan|no|yes|no|Cave|33|all=20%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Cave|34-36|all=15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|33|20%|20%|0%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|095|Onix|no|no|yes|Cave|32|0%|0%|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|111|Rhyhorn|yes|yes|no|Cave|35|all=5%|type1=Ground|type2=Rock}}
{{catch/entry2|111|Rhyhorn|no|no|yes|Cave|32|30%|30%|0%|type1=Ground|type2=Rock}}
{{catch/entry2|028|Sandslash|no|no|yes|Cave|35|5%|5%|0%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|112|Rhydon|no|no|yes|Cave|35|5%|5%|0%|type1=Ground|type2=Rock}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation III====
=====1F and 3F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|024|Arbok|yes|no|Cave|44|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|028|Sandslash|no|yes|Cave|44|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|32|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|44|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|066|Machop|yes|yes|Cave|32|20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|44, 46|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Cave|32|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|095|Onix|yes|yes|Cave|40, 43, 46|30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|105|Marowak|yes|yes|Cave|44, 46|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|024|Arbok|yes|no|Cave|46|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryfl|028|Sandslash|no|yes|Cave|46|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|34|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|46|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|057|Primeape|yes|yes|Cave|42|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|066|Machop|yes|yes|Cave|34|20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|46, 48|5%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Cave|34|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|095|Onix|yes|yes|Cave|45, 48|20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|105|Marowak|yes|yes|Cave|46, 48|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation IV====
{{catch/header|cave|4}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|32|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Cave|32|all=30%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|232|Donphan|yes|no|Cave|33|all=20%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|217|Ursaring|no|yes|Cave|33|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|095|Onix|yes|yes|Cave|34-36|all=15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|111|Rhyhorn|yes|yes|Cave|35|all=5%|type1=Ground|type2=Rock}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|24-32|all=90%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|30-33|all=10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|33|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|32|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|33|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|32|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

===Trainers===
====Generation I====
{{Trainerheader|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer||1540|2|053|Persian||44||038|Ninetales||44|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer||1470|4|002|Ivysaur||42||008|Wartortle||42||005|Charmeleon||42||006|Charizard||42|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Blackbelt.png|Blackbelt||1075|3|067|Machoke||43||066|Machop||43||067|Machoke||43|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Juggler.png|Juggler||1435|4|096|Drowzee||41||097|Hypno||41||064|Kadabra||41||064|Kadabra||41|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Tamer.png|Tamer||1760|2|053|Persian||44||055|Golduck||44|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Juggler.png|Juggler||1680|1|122|Mr. Mime||48|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG PokéManiac.png|PokéManiac||2000|3|005|Charmeleon||40||131|Lapras||40||108|Lickitung||40|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer||1505|3|103|Exeggutor||43||091|Cloyster||43||059|Arcanine||43|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer||1505|3|047|Parasect||43||087|Dewgong||43||113|Chansey||43|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer||1505|3|099|Kingler||43||073|Tentacruel||43||009|Blastoise||43|||}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr RG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer||1505|3|069|Bellsprout||43||070|Weepinbell||43||071|Victreebel||43|||}}
{{trainerfooter|cave|I}}

====Generation II====
{{MSP|152|Chikorita}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chikorita}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr GS Silver 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2280
|name=Silver
|game=GSC
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=215
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|move1=Quick Attack|move1type=Normal
|move2=Screech|move2type=Normal
|move3=Faint Attack|move3type=Dark
|move4=Fury Cutter|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=36
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|move1=Wing Attack|move1type=Flying
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark
|move4=Leech Life|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=35|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Swift|move3type=Normal
|move4=ThunderShock|move4type=Electric}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Curse|move2type=???
|move3=Mean Look|move3type=Normal
|move4=Confuse Ray|move4type=Ghost}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal
|move2=Future Sight|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal
|move4=Psybeam|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=157
|pokemon=Typhlosion
|gender=male
|level=38
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire
|move2=SmokeScreen|move2type=Normal
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal
|move4=Flame Wheel|move4type=Fire}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|155|Cyndaquil}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Cyndaquil}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr GS Silver 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2280
|name=Silver
|game=GSC
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=215
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|move1=Quick Attack|move1type=Normal
|move2=Screech|move2type=Normal
|move3=Faint Attack|move3type=Dark
|move4=Fury Cutter|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=36
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|move1=Wing Attack|move1type=Flying
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark
|move4=Leech Life|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=35|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Swift|move3type=Normal
|move4=ThunderShock|move4type=Electric}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Curse|move2type=???
|move3=Mean Look|move3type=Normal
|move4=Confuse Ray|move4type=Ghost}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal
|move2=Future Sight|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal
|move4=Psybeam|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=160
|pokemon=Feraligatr
|gender=male
|level=38
|type1=Water
|move1=Slash|move1type=Normal
|move2=Scary Face|move2type=Normal
|move3=Rage|move3type=Normal
|move4=Water Gun|move4type=Water}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|158|Totodile}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Totodile}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr GS Silver 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2280
|name=Silver
|game=GSC
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=215
|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male
|level=34
|type1=Dark|type2=Ice
|move1=Quick Attack|move1type=Normal
|move2=Screech|move2type=Normal
|move3=Faint Attack|move3type=Dark
|move4=Fury Cutter|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male
|level=36
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|move1=Wing Attack|move1type=Flying
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost
|move3=Bite|move3type=Dark
|move4=Leech Life|move4type=Bug}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=082
|pokemon=Magneton
|level=35|type1=Electric|type2=Steel
|move1=SonicBoom|move1type=Normal
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric
|move3=Swift|move3type=Normal
|move4=ThunderShock|move4type=Electric}}
{{Party/Div|color={{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=093
|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison
|move1=Shadow Ball|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Curse|move2type=???
|move3=Mean Look|move3type=Normal
|move4=Confuse Ray|move4type=Ghost}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=064
|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male
|level=35
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Recover|move1type=Normal
|move2=Future Sight|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Disable|move3type=Normal
|move4=Psybeam|move4type=Psychic}}
|{{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=154
|pokemon=Meganium
|gender=male
|level=38
|type1=Grass
|move1=PoisonPowder|move1type=Poison
|move2=Razor Leaf|move2type=Grass
|move3=Body Slam|move3type=Normal
|move4=Reflect|move4type=Psychic}}
{{Party/Footer}}

====Generation III====
{{trainerheader|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer|Naomi|1512|5|053|Persian|♀|42|None|077|Ponyta|♀|42|None|078|Rapidash|♀|42|None|037|Vulpix|♀|42|None|038|Ninetales|♀|42|None|36=カナコ|37=Kanako}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer|Rolando|1512|5|020|Raticate|♂|42|None|002|Ivysaur|♂|42|None|008|Wartortle|♂|42|None|005|Charmeleon|♂|42|None|006|Charizard|♂|42|None|36=アサオ|37=Asao}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Daisuke|1032|3|067|Machoke|♂|43|Black Belt|066|Machop|♂|43|Black Belt|067|Machoke|♂|43|Black Belt|36=タダシ|37=Tadashi}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Juggler.png|Juggler|Nelson|1640|4|096|Drowzee|♂|41|None|097|Hypno|♂|41|None|064|Kadabra|♂|41|None|064|Kadabra|♂|41|None|36=ナミオ|37=Namio}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Tamer.png|Tamer|Vincent|1760|2|053|Persian|♂|44|None|055|Golduck|♂|44|None|36=ユウト|37=Yūto}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Juggler.png|Juggler|Gregory|1920|1|122|Mr. Mime|♂|48|None|36=コリン|37=Collin}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer|George|1512|5|103|Exeggutor|♂|42|None|028|Sandslash|♂|42|None|091|Cloyster|♂|42|None|101|Electrode||42|None|059|Arcanine|♂|42|none|36=カズマ|37=Kazuma}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG PokéManiac.png|PokéManiac|Dawson|1920|3|005|Charmeleon|♂|40|None|131|Lapras|♂|40|None|108|Lickitung|♂|40|None|36=ノゾム|37=Nozomu}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer|Alexa|1512|5|035|Clefairy|♀|42|None|039|Jigglypuff|♀|42|None|053|Persian|♀|42|None|087|Dewgong|♀|42|None|113|Chansey|♀|42|none|36=サヤカ|37=Sayaka}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer M.png|Cooltrainer|Colby|1548|5|099|Kingler|♂|41|None|061|Poliwhirl|♂|42|None|073|Tentacruel|♂|42|None|117|Seadra|♂|42|None|009|Blastoise|♂|43|none|36=シュウ|37=Shū}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cooltrainer F.png|Cooltrainer|Caroline|1512|5|069|Bellsprout|♀|42|None|070|Weepinbell|♀|42|None|071|Victreebel|♀|42|None|046|Paras|♀|42|None|047|Parasect|♀|42|none|36=コトミ|37=Kotomi}}
{{trainerdiv|cave}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr FRLG Cool Couple.png|Cool Couple|Ray & Tyra|2160|2|034|Nidoking|♂|45|None|031|Nidoqueen|♀|45|None|36=シンとカヨ|37=Shin and Kayo}}
{{trainerfooter|cave}}

====Generation IV====
{{MSP|152|Chikorita}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chikorita}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr HGSS Silver.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2560
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=HGSS
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=215 m|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male|level=36|type1=Dark|type2=Ice|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Icy Wind|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Fury Swipes|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=042 m|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male|level=38|type1=Poison|type2=Flying|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special
|move4=Astonish|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=082|pokemon=Magneton
|level=37|type1=Electric|type2=Steel|ability=Magnet Pull
|move1=Spark|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Status
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Magnet Bomb|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|{{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=064 m|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Psychic|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Reflect|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Psybeam|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Recover|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=093|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison|ability=Levitate
|move1=Curse|move1type=???|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mean Look|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=157|pokemon=Typhlosion
|gender=male|level=40|type1=Fire|ability=Blaze
|move1=Lava Plume|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Swift|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Flame Wheel|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|155|Cyndaquil}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Cyndaquil}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr HGSS Silver.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2560
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=HGSS
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=215 m|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male|level=36|type1=Dark|type2=Ice|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Icy Wind|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Fury Swipes|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=042 m|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male|level=38|type1=Poison|type2=Flying|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special
|move4=Astonish|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=082|pokemon=Magneton
|level=37|type1=Electric|type2=Steel|ability=Magnet Pull
|move1=Spark|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Status
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Magnet Bomb|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|{{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=064 m|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Psychic|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Reflect|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Psybeam|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Recover|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=093|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison|ability=Levitate
|move1=Curse|move1type=???|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mean Look|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=160|pokemon=Feraligatr
|gender=male|level=40|type1=Water|ability=Torrent
|move1=Waterfall|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Crunch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MSP|158|Totodile}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Totodile}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{silver color}}
|bordercolor={{silver color dark}}
|headcolor={{silver color light}}
|sprite=Spr HGSS Silver.png
|prize={{PDollar}}2560
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Silver (game)|Silver}}
|game=HGSS
|location=Victory Road (Kanto)
|locationname=Victory Road
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=215 m|pokemon=Sneasel
|gender=male|level=36|type1=Dark|type2=Ice|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Faint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Icy Wind|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Fury Swipes|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Quick Attack|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=042 m|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=male|level=38|type1=Poison|type2=Flying|ability=Inner Focus
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Confuse Ray|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Status
|move3=Air Cutter|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special
|move4=Astonish|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=082|pokemon=Magneton
|level=37|type1=Electric|type2=Steel|ability=Magnet Pull
|move1=Spark|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Thunder Wave|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Status
|move3=Supersonic|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Magnet Bomb|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|{{silver color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=064 m|pokemon=Kadabra
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Psychic|ability=Synchronize
|move1=Reflect|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Psybeam|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Recover|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=093|pokemon=Haunter
|gender=male|level=37|type1=Ghost|type2=Poison|ability=Levitate
|move1=Curse|move1type=???|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mean Look|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Confuse Ray|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Status
|move4=Shadow Ball|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=154_m|pokemon=Meganium
|gender=male|level=40|type1=Grass|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Reflect|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Petal Dance|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special
|move3=PoisonPowder|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Status
|move4=Synthesis|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Layout===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 5px solid #{{locationcolor/med|cave}}"
|- style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|cave}}"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! 1F
! 2F
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | 3F
|- style="background:#000"
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red}}
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 1F RBY.png‎|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 2F RBY.png‎|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 3F RBY.png‎|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{blue color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}
|-
! style="background:#{{gold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold}}
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 1F GSC.png|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 2F GSC.png‎|180px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Victory Road 3F GSC.png‎|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{silver color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Silver}}
|-
! style="background:#{{crystal color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
|-
! style="background:#{{firered color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 1F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 2F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 3F FRLG.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{leafgreen color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen}}
|-
! style="background:#{{heartgold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 1F HGSS.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 2F HGSS.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Victory Road 3F HGSS.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{soulsilver color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SoulSilver}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

==[[Location preview|Preview]]==
<gallery>
File:FL Victory Road.png|FRLG
File:HGSS Victory Road-Morning.png|HGSS Morning (Rhyhorn)
File:HGSS Victory Road-Day.png|HGSS Day/Evening (Graveler)
File:HGSS Victory Road-Night.png|HGSS Night (Golbat)
</gallery>

==In the anime==
[[File:Victory Road PO.png|250px|thumb|Victory Road in [[Pokémon Origins]]]]
[[File:Red Charizard Moltres Flamethrower PO.png|250px|thumb|left|Moltres's nest in Pokémon Origins]]
===In Pokémon Origins===
Victory Road appeared briefly in ''[[PO04|File 4: Charizard]]'', as {{OBP|Red|Origins}} was shown exiting it on his way to the [[Indigo Plateau]]. Later in the episode, Red was shown battling {{p|Moltres}} at the Victory Road with his {{TP|Red|Charizard}}, catching the Legendary bird soon after off-screen.
{{-}}

==Trivia==
* In [[Generation II|Generations II]] and {{gen|IV}}, Kanto Victory Road has the least amount of Trainers of all Victory Roads, the only Trainer battle being against {{ga|Silver}}.
* In [[Generation I]], if a player falls through the hole from 3F to 2F while riding their bike, they will be forced off the bike in the transition, but the bike music will keep playing.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/med|cave}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|cave}}
|fr=Route Victoire
|de=Siegesstraße
|it=Via Vittoria
|ko=챔피언로드 ''Champion Road''
|pt_br=Estrada da Vitória
|es=Calle Victoria
}}

{{-}}
{{Victory Roads}}
{{Kanto and Johto}}
{{legendarylocations|kanto}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Kanto locations]]
[[Category:Red, Blue and Yellow locations]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations]]
[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! locations]]
[[Category:Caves]]

[[de:Siegesstraße (Kanto)]]
[[es:Calle Victoria (Kanto)]]
[[fr:Route Victoire (Kanto)]]
[[it:Via Vittoria (Kanto)]]
[[ja:チャンピオンロード (カントー地方)]]
[[zh:冠军之路（关都）]]

Seafoam Islands

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{{split|[[Seafoam Island (anime)]]}}
{{Town infobox
|size=256
|name=Seafoam Islands
|jpname=ふたごじま
|jptrans=Twin Islands
|image=HGSS Seafoam Islands-{{#switch: {{#time: G}}|4|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19=Day|20|21|22|23|0|1|2|3=Night}}.png
|mapdesc=A pair of islands that is situated on Route 20. The two islands are shaped the same, as if they were twins.{{sup/3|FRLG}} Two small islands lightly floating in the ocean.{{sup/4|HGSS}}
|imageI=Seafoam Islands 1F RBY.png
|imageII=Cinnabar Gym GSC.png
|imageIII=Seafoam Islands 1F FRLG.png
|region=Kanto
|east=Route 20
|regioneast=Kanto
|west=Route 20
|regionwest=Kanto
|gym=Cinnabar Gym
|leader=Blaine
|leadervs=VSBlaine.png
|badge=Volcano
|gymtype=Fire
|gymno=7{{sup/2|GSC}}{{sup/4|HGSS}}
|generation=1
|colordark={{Locationcolor/dark|ice}}
|colormed={{Locationcolor/med|ice}}
|colorlight={{Locationcolor/light|ice}}
}}

The '''Seafoam Islands''' (Japanese: '''ふたごじま''' ''Twin Islands'') are a pair of islands that are situated on {{rt|20|Kanto}}. The two islands are shaped the same, as if they were twins.

==Geography==
The caves beneath the islands are full of twists and turns and have five separate floors. To complete the trek through them, a series of puzzles involving using {{m|Strength}} to move boulders to block the flow of water, as the current is too fast to {{m|Surf}} across, need to be solved. Any attempt to surf on the currents will result to being sent back to where the current ends each time, and it is impossible to fight the currents. When the puzzle is solved, the boulders will stay in the water permanently.

The Seafoam Islands is roost of the [[Legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Articuno}}. It is located on the lowest floor of the caverns under the islands. It is also where [[Misty]] comes to train. In [[Generation II|Generations II]] and {{gen|IV}}, the [[Cinnabar Gym]] has been relocated here after the original Gym was destroyed by a volcanic eruption on [[Cinnabar Island]].

==Items==
{{itlisth|ice}}
{{Itemlist|TM Fire|2F, reward for [[Cinnabar Gym|defeating Blaine]]|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|50|Overheat}}}}
{{Itemlist|Ice Heal|1F, southeast of the westernmost ladder|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Escape Rope|1F, on a rock on the northern side of the south-east entrance room ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|B1F, southeast of the ladder near the center of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Water Stone|
*B1F, in the south area of the floor, accessible from B2F
*B4F, on the westernmost rock of the rocks near the western ladder ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes|display=[[Water Stone]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Grip Claw|B1F, northern edge, at the end of the path behind the {{m|Strength}} boulders on the east side|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ice Heal|
* B1F, on the ledge in the middle of the room
* B1F, on the white-colored area in the center of the room ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Ice Heal]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Nugget|B2F, on a rock in the south area of the floor ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Big Pearl|B2F, in the south area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Water Stone|B2F, near the middle of the southern edge of the room|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ice Stone|B2F, on the southeast plateau|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Pearl|
* B2F, on a rock in the north-west corner of the room ''(hidden)''
* B2F, on a rock north of the south-easternmost ladder ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{OBP|Pearl|item}} ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|B3F, on the rock south of the easternmost boulder ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display=[[Max Elixir|Max Elixer]]}}
{{Itemlist|Nugget|B3F, on the northernmost rock of the rocks near the southwesternmost ladder ''(hidden)''|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Super Lure|B3F, in the northeast area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|B3F, northwest of the south-easternmost ladder|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|B3F, between two rocks near the south-east corner ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|B3F, on a rock south-east of the north-west ladder ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|B3F, east of the south-west ladder|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Big Pearl|B3F, on the other side of the western ice puzzle|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Big Pearl]]}}
{{Itemlist|Big Pearl|B4F, southwest of {{p|Articuno}}|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|B4F, in the south area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|B4F, on the easternmost rock of the rocks in the southeast area of the floor ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ice|B4F, north-east corner|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|13|Ice Beam}}}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|B4F, north island|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itemlist|Zinc|B4F, underneath Articuno ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{itlistfoot|ice}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation I===
====1F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Cave|21|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Cave|9, 18, 27, 36|50%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|29|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|27, 36|5%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|054|Psyduck|yes|no|no|Cave|28|5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|054|Psyduck|no|yes|no|Cave|30|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|055|Golduck|yes|no|no|Cave|38|1%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|079|Slowpoke|yes|no|no|Cave|30|15%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|no|Cave|28|5%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|079|Slowpoke|no|no|yes|Cave|28, 30|15%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|080|Slowbro|no|yes|no|Cave|38|1%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|086|Seel|yes|yes|no|Cave|30|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|090|Shellder|yes|no|no|Cave|28, 30|19%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|yes|no|Cave|28, 30|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|no|yes|Cave|25, 27|30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|116|Horsea|yes|no|no|Cave|28, 30|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|yes|no|Cave|28, 30|19%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B1F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Cave|18, 27. 36|45%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|27|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|054|Psyduck|no|yes|no|Cave|28, 30|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|079|Slowpoke|yes|no|no|Cave|28, 30|15%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|079|Slowpoke|no|no|yes|Cave|29|10%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|086|Seel|yes|yes|no|Cave|28, 30|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|086|Seel|no|no|yes|Cave|22, 26|5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|087|Dewgong|yes|yes|no|Cave|38|4%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/entry1|090|Shellder|yes|no|no|Cave|32|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|090|Shellder|no|yes|no|Cave|30|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|yes|no|Cave|30, 32|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|no|yes|Cave|26, 28|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|no|yes|no|Cave|37|1%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|no|no|yes|Cave|28|5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|116|Horsea|yes|no|no|Cave|30, 32|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|117|Seadra|yes|no|no|Cave|37|1%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|120|Staryu|yes|no|no|Cave|30|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|yes|no|Cave|30|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B2F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Cave|27, 36|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|30|4%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|27, 36|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|054|Psyduck|no|yes|no|Cave|30, 32|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|055|Golduck|no|yes|no|Cave|37|1%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|079|Slowpoke|yes|no|no|Cave|30, 32|25%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|079|Slowpoke|no|no|yes|Cave|31|4%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|080|Slowbro|yes|no|no|Cave|37|1%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|080|Slowbro|no|no|yes|Cave|31|1%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|086|Seel|yes|yes|no|Cave|30, 32|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|086|Seel|no|no|yes|Cave|24|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|090|Shellder|yes|no|no|Cave|28|5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|090|Shellder|no|yes|no|Cave|30|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|yes|no|Cave|28, 30|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|no|yes|Cave|27, 29|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|no|no|yes|Cave|28|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|116|Horsea|yes|no|no|Cave|28, 30|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|120|Staryu|yes|no|no|Cave|30|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|yes|no|Cave|28|5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B3F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Cave|27, 36|25%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|27|25%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|054|Psyduck|no|yes|no|Cave|31, 33|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|079|Slowpoke|yes|no|no|Cave|31, 33|40%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|086|Seel|yes|yes|no|Cave|31, 33|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|086|Seel|no|no|yes|Cave|26, 30|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|087|Dewgong|yes|yes|no|Cave|37|1%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/entry1|087|Dewgong|no|no|yes|Cave|28, 32|5%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/entry1|090|Shellder|yes|no|no|Cave|29, 31|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|yes|no|Cave|29, 31|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|no|yes|Cave|29, 31|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|no|yes|no|Cave|39|4%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|no|no|yes|Cave|30|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|116|Horsea|yes|no|no|Cave|29, 31|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|117|Seadra|yes|no|no|Cave|39|4%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|yes|no|Cave|29, 31|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entry1|072|Tentacool|no|no|yes|Surf|20, 25, 30, 35, 40|70%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|no|yes|Surf|30|30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entry1|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|090|Shellder|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|no|yes|Fish Super|25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|no|no|yes|Fish Super|35|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|116|Horsea|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|25%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|25%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|120|Staryu|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|25%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|no|yes|Fish Super|20, 40|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B4F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entry1|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Cave|36, 45|20%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|32|1%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|27, 36|30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|054|Psyduck|no|yes|no|Cave|29, 31|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|055|Golduck|no|yes|no|Cave|39|4%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|079|Slowpoke|yes|no|no|Cave|29, 31|15%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|080|Slowbro|yes|no|no|Cave|39|4%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|086|Seel|yes|yes|no|Cave|29, 31|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|086|Seel|no|no|yes|Cave|28, 32|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|087|Dewgong|no|no|yes|Cave|30, 34|5%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/entry1|090|Shellder|yes|no|no|Cave|31, 33|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|yes|no|Cave|31, 33|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|no|yes|Cave|30|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|no|no|yes|Cave|32|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|116|Horsea|yes|no|no|Cave|31, 33|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|yes|no|Cave|31, 33|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entry1|072|Tentacool|no|no|yes|Surf|20, 25, 30, 35, 40|70%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|no|yes|Surf|30|30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entry1|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|090|Shellder|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|098|Krabby|no|no|yes|Fish Super|25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|no|no|yes|Fish Super|35|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|116|Horsea|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|25%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|25%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|120|Staryu|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|25%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|no|yes|Fish Super|20, 40|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|ice|Special}}
{{Catch/entry1|144|Articuno|yes|yes|yes|Special|50|One|type1=Ice|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

===Generation III===
[[File:Articuno Seafoam Islands FRLG.png|thumb|240px|right|Articuno in the Seafoam Islands.]]
====1F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Cave|26-27, 29, 31, 33 |55%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Cave|26-27, 29, 31, 33|55%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|22, 24, 26|34%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|26, 28, 30|11%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B1F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Cave|29, 31|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Cave|29, 31|40%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|22, 24, 26|34%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|26, 28, 30|11%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|086|Seel|yes|yes|Cave|28|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Cave|33, 35|5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Cave|33, 35|5%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B2F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Cave|30, 32|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Cave|30, 32|40%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|086|Seel|yes|yes|Cave|30, 32|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|22, 24|20%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|26, 28, 30|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Cave|32, 34|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Cave|32, 34|10%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B3F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|086|Seel|yes|yes|Cave|30, 32|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Cave|30, 32|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Cave|30, 32|20%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Cave|30, 32|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Cave|30, 32|15%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|24|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|26, 30|10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|087|Dewgong|yes|yes|Cave|32, 34|5%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryfl|086|Seel|yes|yes|Surf|25-35|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|yes|no|Surf|25-30|30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|no|yes|Surf|25-30|30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|087|Dewgong|yes|yes|Surf|35-40|5%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Surf|30-40|4%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Surf|30-40|4%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Surf|35-40|1%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Surf|35-40|1%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|yes|no|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|no|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|yes|no|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|no|yes|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|yes|no|Fish Super|15-30|80%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|no|yes|Fish Super|15-30|80%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-35|16%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Fish Super|15-25|4%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Fish Super|15-25|4%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B4F====
{{catch/header|ice|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|086|Seel|yes|yes|Cave|30, 32, 34|50%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|26, 28, 30|15%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Cave|32, 34|15%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Cave|32, 34|15%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Cave|32|10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Cave|32|10%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|087|Dewgong|yes|yes|Cave|34, 36|10%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryfl|086|Seel|yes|yes|Surf|25-35|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|yes|no|Surf|25-30|30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|no|yes|Surf|25-30|30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|087|Dewgong|yes|yes|Surf|35-40|5%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Surf|30-40|4%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Surf|30-40|4%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Surf|35-40|1%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Surf|35-40|1%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|yes|no|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|no|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|yes|no|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|no|yes|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|yes|no|Fish Super|15-30|80%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|no|yes|Fish Super|15-30|80%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-35|16%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Fish Super|15-25|4%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Fish Super|15-25|4%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|ice|Special}}
{{catch/entryfl|144|Articuno|yes|yes|Special|50|One|type1=Ice|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

===Generation IV===
[[File:Battle_Articuno.png|thumb|right|200px|Battling Articuno inside Seafoam Islands]]
====1F====
{{catch/header|ice|4}}
{{catch/entryhs|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|26-28|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|30-32|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Cave|28-29|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|055|Golduck|yes|yes|Cave|32|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|ice|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|30-32|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|28-29|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|30-32|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|28-29|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B1F====
{{catch/header|ice|4}}
{{catch/entryhs|086|Seel|yes|yes|Cave|32-34|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|32-34|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Cave|26-28|all=16%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|055|Golduck|yes|yes|Cave|32-34|all=14%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|28-29|all=10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|ice|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|32-34|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|28-34|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|32-34|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|28-34|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B2F====
{{catch/header|ice|4}}
{{catch/entryhs|086|Seel|yes|yes|Cave|33-35|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|33-35|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Cave|27-30|all=16%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|055|Golduck|yes|yes|Cave|33-35|all=14%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|29-30|all=10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|ice|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|33-35|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|30-35|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|33-35|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|30-35|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B3F====
{{catch/header|ice|4}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|34-36|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|087|Dewgong|yes|yes|Cave|35-36|all=24%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/entryhs|055|Golduck|yes|yes|Cave|34-36|all=14%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Cave|31-32|all=12%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Cave|31-32|all=10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|086|Seel|yes|yes|Cave|34|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|ice|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|34-36|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|32-34|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|34-36|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|32-34|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

====B4F====
{{catch/header|ice|4}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|38-40|all=30%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|087|Dewgong|yes|yes|Cave|37-38|all=24%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/entryhs|055|Golduck|yes|yes|Cave|37-38|all=14%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|124|Jynx|yes|yes|Cave|38-40|all=12%|type1=Ice|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Cave|34|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|086|Seel|yes|yes|Cave|34|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryhs|086|Seel|yes|yes|Surf|30-40|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|116|Horsea|yes|yes|Surf|30-40|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|080|Slowbro|yes|yes|Surf|35-50|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=95%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|098|Krabby|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|098|Krabby|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=7%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|116|Horsea|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=3%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=60%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|116|Horsea|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|099|Kingler|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryhs|117|Seadra|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|ice|Special}}
{{Catch/entryhs|144|Articuno|yes|yes|Special|50|all=One|type1=Ice|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|38|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|34|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|38|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|34|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|ice}}

==Trainers==
===Generation II===
====[[Cinnabar Gym]]====
{{main|Cinnabar Gym#Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal|Cinnabar Gym → Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal}}

===Generation IV===
====[[Cinnabar Gym]]====
{{main|Cinnabar Gym#Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver|Cinnabar Gym → Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver}}

====B2F====
{{trainerheader|ice}}
{{trainerentry|Spr HGSS Skier.png|Skier|Cady|1696|1|225|Delibird|♀|53|36=ホズミ|37=Hozumi}}
{{trainerdiv|ice}}
{{trainerentry|Spr HGSS Boarder.png|Boarder|Shaun|1600|2|091|Cloyster|♂|55||087|Dewgong|♂|50|36=タイガ|37=Taiga}}
{{trainerdiv|ice}}
{{trainerentry|Spr HGSS Boarder.png|Boarder|Bryce|1600|2|087|Dewgong|♂|55||131|Lapras|♂|50|36=レイジ|37=Reiji}}
{{trainerfooter|ice}}

==Differences among generations==
In Generations I, III, and IV, this is the home of {{p|Articuno}}.

In [[Generation]]s {{gen|II}} and {{gen|IV}}, the destruction of [[Cinnabar Island]] causes [[Blaine]] to move [[Cinnabar Gym|his Gym]] to the Seafoam Islands.

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, while Blaine's Gym is still located in the east cave, Articuno can be found here as it was in [[Generation]]s {{gen|I}} and {{gen|III}}. As soon as the player walks into the east cave, there is a ladder that leads to an upper level where Blaine's Gym is located. There is also a set of stairs leading to a lower level in the islands just past the ladder. The Gym is much bigger than its Generation II counterpart as it sports a brand-new puzzle with junior Trainers. The interior of the island received a massive redesign as well. The cave section of Seafoam Islands uses the same music as Johto dungeons such as [[Ice Path]], as opposed to the music used in Kanto dungeons. Also, unlike previous generations, there are three Trainers within the islands; two {{tc|Boarder}}s and one {{tc|Skier}}.

==Layout==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 3px solid #{{ice color dark}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{ice color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! style="background:#{{ice color light}}" | 1F
! style="background:#{{ice color light}}" | B1F
! style="background:#{{ice color light}}" | B2F
! style="background:#{{ice color light}}" | B3F
! style="background:#{{ice color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | B4F
|-
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red}}
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Seafoam Islands 1F RBY.png|150px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B1F RBY.png|150px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B2F RBY.png|150px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B3F RBY.png|150px]]
| rowspan="3" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B4F RBY.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{blue color}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}
|-
! style="background:#{{firered color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands 1F FRLG.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B1F FRLG.png|158px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B2F FRLG.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B3F FRLG.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B4F FRLG.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{leafgreen color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen}}
|-
! style="background:#{{heartgold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands 1F HGSS.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B1F HGSS.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B2F HGSS.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B3F HGSS.png|150px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Seafoam Islands B4F HGSS.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{soulsilver color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SoulSilver}}
|-
| colspan="6" style="background:#{{ice color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

===[[Cinnabar Gym]]===
{{Mapgen
|hv=v
|colordark={{ice color}}
|colorlight={{ice color light}}
|genII=Cinnabar Gym GSC.png
|sizeII=200px
|genIV=Cinnabar Gym HGSS.png
|sizeIV=200px}}

==[[Location preview|Preview]]==
<gallery>
File:HGSS Seafoam Islands-Morning.png|Morning (Psyduck)
File:HGSS Seafoam Islands-Day.png|Day/Evening (Dewgong)
File:HGSS Seafoam Islands-Night.png|Night (Golduck)
File:FL Seafoam Islands.png|In FR/LG
</gallery>

==In the spin-off games==
===In Pokémon Pinball===
In {{g|Pinball}}, Seafoam Islands appears on the Red table; catchable Pokémon include {{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Seel}}, {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Staryu}}, and {{p|Articuno}}.

==In the anime==
===In the main series===
[[File:Seafoam Islands anime 01.png|thumb|left|220px|The Seafoam Islands in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
[[File:Seafoam Islands anime 02.png|thumb|220px|Another view of the Seafoam Islands in the anime]]
In the English [[dub]], a location said to be called "Seafoam Island" first appeared in ''[[EP066|The Evolution Solution]]'', where {{Ash}} went there to train for the [[Indigo Plateau Conference]]. While there, he met [[Professor Westwood V]], who was researching the evolution of {{p|Slowpoke}}. Ash and {{ashfr}} stayed there in ''[[EP067|The Pi-Kahuna]]'' as well, where Ash met {{OBP|Victor|EP067}}, a surfer undertaking the local challenge to plant a flag on a large rock sticking out of the ocean.

In ''[[SS008|Oaknapped!]]'', {{Tracey}} and [[Ritchie]] arrived there to find out that {{an|Professor Oak}} was missing from the local TV station. After some thinking, and with [[Officer Jenny]] and [[DJ Mary]]'s assistance, Ritchie figured that the Professor must have been kidnapped. The group located him at an abandoned warehouse and defeated the culprits, [[Butch]] and [[Cassidy]].

Unlike the {{pkmn|games}}, where the Islands are presented as a cold and icy location, it is depicted as having a warm and tropical resort town. A road bridge directly connects Seafoam Island to [[Fuchsia City]] and the [[Kanto]] mainland. Ferries also leave from Seafoam Island and travel to [[Littleroot Town]] in the [[Hoenn]] [[region]]. In the Japanese version, this location is actually an anime-exclusive location called Binnes (ビンヌ), and has no connection to the in-game Seafoam Islands.

===In Pokémon Origins===
[[File:Red Rapidash PO.png|250px|thumb|The Seafoam Islands in [[Pokémon Origins]]]]
{{OBP|Red|Origins}} was briefly seen visiting the Seafoam Islands in ''[[PO04|File 4: Charizard]]'', where he caught {{p|Articuno}}.
{{-}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Seafoam Islands Adventures.png|thumb|220px|Seafoam Islands in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
The Seafoam Islands first appeared in ''[[PS024|What a Dragonite]]'' and ''[[PS025|You Know... Articuno]]'', where, after being saved from a wild {{p|Dragonite}} by [[Misty]] on {{rt|19|Kanto}}, {{adv|Red}} traded his {{p|Krabby}} for her [[Gyara]]dos, after which Misty left on her {{TP|Misty|Starmie}}. Later, while walking on the island, Red and {{cat|Red's Pokémon|his Pokémon}} were attacked by [[Team Rocket]]'s {{p|Muk}}. Team Rocket also managed to capture {{p|Articuno}} for their grand scheme at [[Saffron City]].

In ''[[PS063|Extricated from Exeggutor]]'', {{adv|Yellow}} briefly stopped at Seafoam Islands while crossing the sea with [[Pika]]. During her brief stay, she encountered a wild {{p|Farfetch'd}}, which was having trouble finding its nest in a forest. Eventually it turned out that the "forest" was actually just a mass of migrating {{p|Exeggutor}} and {{p|Oddish}}. Yellow then called {{adv|Professor Oak}}, who told her that the unnatural migration was likely a sign of the Pokémon sensing an upcoming disaster, foreshadowing the [[Elite Four]]'s attack on the Kanto region.
[[File:Seafoam Islands Zensho.png|thumb|200px|Seafoam Islands in Pokémon Zensho]]
===In the Pokémon Zensho manga===
The Seafoam Islands appeared in ''[[PZ08|Cinnabar Island]]''. {{Zensho|Satoshi}} first passed by them on his way to Cinnabar Island. While doing so, he {{pkmn2|released}} the {{p|Seel}} he had received from Misty. He also caught a sight of Articuno, but it flew off before he could catch it. He then also met [[Blaine]], the [[Gym Leader]] of Cinnabar Island.

After defeating Blaine at the [[Cinnabar Gym]], Satoshi agreed to help him catch Articuno. With the help of Satoshi's {{p|Jigglypuff}}'s {{m|Sing}}, Blaine was able to catch the [[Legendary birds|Legendary bird]] for himself.
{{-}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{ice color light}}|bordercolor={{ice color dark}}
|zh_cmn=雙子島 ''Shuāngzǐ Dǎo''
|da=Seafoam Island{{tt|*|EP273}} Seafoam-øerne{{tt|*|Original series}}
|fi=Seafoam-saaret{{tt|*|AG132}} Tyrskysaaret{{tt|*|Season 1}}
|fr=Îles Écume
|de=Seeschauminseln
|it=Isole Spumarine
|ko=쌍둥이섬 ''Ssangdung'i Seom''
|no=Seafoamøya Seafoam Islands{{tt|*|VHS description}}
|pl=Wyspy Morskiej Piany 
|pt_br=Ilhas Espuma (anime) Ilhas Seafoam ({{pkmn|Adventures volume 5}}-present) Ilha Seafoam ([[PS024]]-[[PS031]]) Ilhas de Espuma do Mar (The Official Pokémon Handbook) Ilhas de Espuma Marinha (The Official Pokémon Handbook)
|pt_eu=Ilhas Espuma
|ru=Острова Морской пены ''Ostrova Morskoy peny''
|es=Islas Espuma
|sv=Seafoam-ön{{tt|*|EP273}} Sjöskummsön{{tt|*|Original series}}
|vi=Đảo Sinh Đôi
}}

{{Kanto}}
{{legendarylocations|kanto}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Kanto locations]]
[[Category:Red, Blue and Yellow locations]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations]]
[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! locations]]
[[Category:Pokémon Pinball locations]]
[[Category:Islands]]

[[de:Seeschauminseln]]
[[es:Islas Espuma]]
[[fr:Îles Écume]]
[[it:Isole Spumarine]]
[[ja:ふたごじま]]
[[zh:双子岛]]

Floaty Fall (move)

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EternalDragonX: /* Learnset */

{{Upcoming notice}}
{{MoveInfobox
|n=731
|name=Floaty Fall
|jname=ふわふわフォール
|jtrans=Floaty Fall
|jtranslit=Fuwafuwa Fōru
|gameimage=Floaty Fall VII.png
|gameimagewidth=300
|type=Flying
|damagecategory=Physical
|basepp=15
|maxpp=—
|power=90
|accuracy=95
|gen=VII

|target=anyadjacent
|footnotes=
}}

'''Floaty Fall''' (Japanese: '''ふわふわフォール''' ''Floaty Fall'') is a damage-dealing {{type|Flying}} [[move]] introduced in [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]. It is one of the [[signature move]]s of the [[Starter Pokémon|partner]] {{p|Pikachu}}.

==Effect==
Floaty Fall deals damage and has a 30% chance of making the target {{status|flinch}}.

==Description==
{{movedesc|flying}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev7|PE}}|The user floats in the air, and then dives at a steep angle to attack the target. This may also make the target flinch.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
* [[Starter Pokémon|Partner]] {{p|Pikachu}}
===By [[Move Tutor]]===
In Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!, the Move Tutor of Floaty Fall is located in [[Fuchsia City]]'s [[Pokémon Center]].
{{Movehead/Tutor|Flying|1}}
{{Movehead/Tutor/7|no|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/1|025|Pikachu|type=Electric|1|Unknown|Unknown|✔|form=[[Starter Pokémon|Partner]]}}
{{Movefoot|Flying|1}}

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{flying color}}|bordercolor={{flying color dark}}
|zh_yue=飄飄墜落 ''{{tt|Pīupīu Jeuihlohk|Floaty Fall}}''
|zh_cmn=飄飄墜落 / 飘飘坠落 ''{{tt|Piāopiāo Zhuìluò|Floaty Fall}}''
|fr=Pika-Piqué
|de=Schwebesturz
|it=Piombaflap
|ko=
|es=Pikapicado
}}
{{-}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Signature moves]]

[[de:Schwebesturz]]
[[es:Pikapicado]]
[[fr:Pika-Piqué]]
[[it:Piombaflap]]
[[ja:ふわふわフォール]]
[[zh:飘飘坠落（招式）]]

Splishy Splash (move)

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EternalDragonX:

{{Upcoming notice}}
{{MoveInfobox
|n=730
|name=Splishy Splash
|jname=ざぶざぶサーフ
|jtrans=Splashing Surf
|jtranslit=Zabuzabu Sāfu
|gameimage=Splishy Splash VII.png
|gameimagewidth=300
|type=Water
|damagecategory=Special
|basepp=15
|maxpp=24
|power=90
|accuracy=100
|gen=VII
|touches=no
|protect=yes
|magiccoat=no
|snatch=no
|mirrormove=yes
|kingsrock=yes
|sound=no
|target=alladjacent-->
|footnotes=
}}

'''Splishy Splash''' (Japanese: '''ざぶざぶサーフ''' ''Splashing Surf'') is a damage-dealing {{type|Water}} [[move]] introduced in [[Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!]]. It is one of the [[signature move]]s of the [[Starter Pokémon|partner]] {{p|Pikachu}}.

==Effect==
Splishy Splash deals damage and has a chance of {{status|Paralyze|paralyzing}} the target.

==Description==
{{movedesc|water}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev7|LGPLGE}}|The user charges a huge wave with electricity and hits the opposing Pokémon with the wave. This may also leave the opposing Pokémon with paralysis.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
* [[Starter Pokémon|Partner]] {{p|Pikachu}}
===By [[Move Tutor]]===
In Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!, the Move Tutor of Splishy Splash is located in [[Fuchsia City]]'s [[Pokémon Center]].
{{Movehead/Tutor|Water|1}}
{{Movehead/Tutor/7|no|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/1|025|Pikachu|type=Electric|1|Unknown|Unknown|✔|form=[[Starter Pokémon|Partner]]}}
{{Movefoot|Water|1}}

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{water color}}|bordercolor={{water color dark}}
|zh_yue=滔滔衝浪 ''{{tt|Tōutōu Chūnglohng|Splashing Surf}}''
|zh_cmn=滔滔衝浪 / 滔滔冲浪 ''{{tt|Tāotāo Chōnglàng|Splashing Surf}}''
|fr=Pika-Splash
|de=Plätschersurfer
|it=Surfasplash
|ko=참방참방서핑 ''{{tt|Chambangchambang Surfing|Splashing Surf}}''
|ru=Весёлый Всплеск ''Vesyolyy Vsplesk''
|es=Salpikasurf
}}
{{-}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Signature moves]]
[[Category:Moves that can inflict paralysis]]

[[de:Plätschersurfer]]
[[es:Salpikasurf]]
[[fr:Pika-Splash]]
[[it:Surfasplash]]
[[ja:ざぶざぶサーフ]]
[[zh:滔滔冲浪（招式）]]

Pallet Town

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EternalDragonX: /* Items */

{{Town infobox
|name=Pallet Town
|jpname=マサラタウン
|jptrans=Masara Town
|image=Pallet Town HGSS.png
|imageI=Pallet Town RBY.png
|imageII=Pallet Town GSC.png
|imageIII=Pallet Town FRLG.png
|slogan=Shades of Your Journey Await!
|mapdesc=A fairly new and quiet town. It's a small and pretty place.
|region=Kanto
|north=Route 1
|regionnorth=Kanto
|south=Route 21
|regionsouth=Kanto
|colordark=A8A8A8
|colormed=BDBDBD
|colorlight=D3D3D3
}}

'''Pallet Town''' (Japanese: '''マサラタウン''' ''Masara Town'') is located in western [[Kanto]] and serves as the hometown of {{ga|Red}}, the protagonist of the [[Generation I]] {{pkmn|games}}, as well as {{ga|Blue}} and several other notable [[Pokémon Trainer]]s who begin their Pokémon journeys in Kanto. [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] is in Pallet Town, where the famous [[Pokémon Professor]] conducts his research.

The small town is accessible in two ways: from the north via {{rt|1|Kanto}} that leads directly to [[Viridian City]], and from the south via {{rt|21|Kanto}}, a [[water route]], that leads to [[Cinnabar Island]].

It is based on {{wp|Machida, Tokyo}}, [[Satoshi Tajiri]]'s hometown; however, its location on the map better corresponds to somewhere in the {{wp|Shizuoka Prefecture}}.

==Slogan==
===Generations I and III===
'''''Shades of your journey await!''''' (Japanese: '''マサラは　まっしろ　はじまりのいろ''' ''Masara is the color of pure-white beginnings.'')

===Generation II===
'''''A Tranquil Setting of Peace and Purity''''' (Japanese: '''マサラは　まっしろ　けがれなき　いろ''' ''Masara is colored with pure white.'')

===Generation IV===
'''''A Pure White Beginning''''' (Japanese: '''まっしろ　はじまりの　いろ''' ''The color of pure-white beginnings.'')

===Generation VII===
'''''Shades of Your Journey Await!''''' (Japanese: '''マサラは　まっしろ　はじまりのいろ''' ''Masara is the color of pure-white beginnings.'')

==Places of interest==
===Professor Oak's Lab===
{{main|Professor Oak's Laboratory}}
[[File:Professor Oak Lab inside HGSS.png|thumb|right|150px|Inside the lab in HeartGold and SoulSilver]]
In the southeast corner of town is Professor Oak's Lab. Here, [[Pokémon Trainer]]s just beginning their quest are given the choice to receive either a {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, or {{p|Squirtle}} from [[Professor Oak]]. On the occasion that Professor Oak is out of the previously listed {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, he has been seen to hand out {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Eevee}}. This is also the location of Red's first battle, which was against his rival, {{ga|Blue}}.

The lab is a small building near the player's house that has been slightly modified in every game. In {{game|Red and Blue|s}} the sign says "''Here is the Institute of Dr. Okido.''" in Japanese, and "''Oak Pokémon Research Lab''" in the English language versions. Inside are three of Professor Oak's aides, two men and one woman, a couple of shelves full of books, a table with three [[Poké Ball]]s, a computer, two blank [[Pokédex]]es, and two tips for the player. In {{game|Yellow}} the lab is the same as Red and Blue, except there is only one Poké Ball on the table, and next to the table stands a trash can. In {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, other than the significant graphical enhancements, the laboratory also has two plants in the entrance, a ''mysterious machine'', books on the floor, two regular machines in the corner, and a window.

===Player's house===
{{main|Player's house#Kanto|Player's house → Kanto}}
[[File:Red House HGSS.png|right|thumb|Inside {{ga|Red}}'s house in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]]
====Generations I and III====
In [[Generation]]s {{Gen|I}} and {{Gen|III}}, this house is where the {{player}} lives before beginning their journey. The player's {{ka|Mom}} lives here, and after the player has left town for the first time, going home and talking to her will fully rest/restore all of the player's Pokémon, just like a [[Pokémon Center]]. In Generation I, the player's bedroom has a PC, a bed, and a TV with an [[Super Nintendo Entertainment System|SNES]] hooked up to it. It serves no other purpose, although the PC can be used to access the player's item storage. In Generation III, the player house features an enhanced version of the bedroom from Generation I. The only difference is the SNES being replaced with an {{wp|Nintendo Entertainment System|NES}}.

Before going down the stairs, there is a sign on the wall that reminds the player how to open the Bag. In Generation I, a movie is shown on the player's television involving four boys walking on railroad tracks, possibly a reference to the film {{wp|Stand by Me (film)|Stand by Me}}; however, during Generation III, this will only appear if the player is a male. If the player is a female, the television will display a girl in pigtails walking down a yellow brick road, possibly a reference to the film {{wp|The Wizard of Oz (1939 film)|The Wizard of Oz}}.

====Generations II and IV====
In [[Generation]]s {{Gen|II}} and {{Gen|IV}}, Red's mother is alone in the house, telling the {{player}} how worried she is about {{ga|Red}}, but also how proud she is of him. In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, the graphical features have also been updated to the Generation IV standard since {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}. On the ground floor, there is a table with a large mug of tea sitting on it, a bigger TV, bookshelves, and a kitchen area located on the north-western side of the room containing a refrigerator and a sink. On the upstairs floor is Red's bedroom, which contains a study desk with a laptop computer sitting on it, a [[Nintendo 64]] or [[Wii]], depending on the Generation, three bookshelves, and a single bed in the south-western corner. Examining the laptop shows that the items in the room are collecting dust, as if [[history of the Pokémon world|they haven't been used in a long time]].

===Rival's house===
In Generations I and III, after the [[Pokédex]] has been given to the player by Professor Oak, the [[Daisy Oak|rival's sister]] will give the player a [[Town Map]]. In [[Generation]]s {{gen|II}} and IV, the sister of the {{ga|Blue|rival}} will help the player comb his/her Pokémon, causing its [[friendship]] to be raised. In [[Generation III]] Daisy will check the lead Pokémon's [[friendship]] and offer to groom a Pokémon in the player's party. She can only groom one Pokémon for every 512 steps the player takes. In [[Generation IV]], she'll give the player Blue's [[Pokégear]] phone number so the player can call and arrange a rematch with him at the [[Fighting Dojo]]. Also returning from previous generations, Daisy will [[Pokémon groomer|groom]] one of the player's Pokémon for free once daily between 3:00 and 4:00 PM. As in Generation II, it will raise a Pokémon's friendship greatly; however, it will also raise the Pokémon's {{OBP|Beauty|condition}} stat. This is not displayed anywhere in-game, and the Pokémon must be seen from the point of view of Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum to notice. Despite this, {{p|Feebas}} whose Beauty is maxed out this way can [[Evolution|evolve]] into {{p|Milotic}}, unlike in FireRed and LeafGreen, where the Beauty stat did not exist in any shape or form. As a reference to Daisy's enjoyment of tea in Generation III, a large mug of tea sits on her table. In the first three generations, the rival's house has always been one story, but in Generation IV, the rival's house has a second story that mirrors the player's house, much like their Hoenn and Sinnoh counterparts.

==Demographics==
===Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow===
Pallet Town's population is 8 (not including the {{player}} and the {{ga|Blue|rival}}, who leave Pallet Town at the beginning of the game). This low number is likely due to its lack of amenities like a [[Gym]] or [[Pokémon Center]] and its isolation from the center of [[Kanto]]. This makes it the smallest town in both Kanto and the [[Pokémon world]].

===Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal===
Pallet Town's population remains 8, making it the smallest town in both Kanto and the [[Pokémon world]].

===Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen===
As in the original games, Pallet Town's population is 8 (not including the {{player}} and the {{ga|Blue|rival}}, who leave Pallet Town at the beginning of the game). This makes it the smallest town in both Kanto and the [[Pokémon world]].

===Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver===
As in the original games, Pallet Town's population remains 8, making the smallest town in both Kanto and the [[Pokémon world]].

==Items==
{{itlisth|road}}
{{itemlist|Potion|Retrievable from the [[PC]] in the {{player}}'s room|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{itemlist|None|Obtained from [[Professor Oak]] after capturing the [[starter Pokémon]]|LP=yes|LE=yes|display=[[Pokédex]]}}
{{itemlist|Poké Ball|Obtained from [[Professor Oak]] after delivering him his [[Parcel]]|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ball|Poké}} ×5}}
{{itemlist|None|Obtained from [[Professor Oak]] after delivering him his [[Parcel]]|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes|display=[[Pokédex]]|sprite=Kanto Pokédex III OD}}
{{itemlist|Razz Berry|Obtained from [[Professor Oak]] after delivering him his [[Parcel]]|LP=yes|LE=yes|display=[[Razz Berry|Razz Berry]] ×20}}
{{itemlist|Town Map III|Obtained from [[Daisy Oak|Daisy]] after obtaining the [[Pokédex]]|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes|display=[[Town Map]]}}
{{itemlist|Town Map|Obtained from {{ka|Mom}} after obtaining the [[Pokédex]]|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{itemlist|Poké Ball|Obtained from [[Professor Oak]] after defeating the {{ga|Blue|rival}} on {{rt|22|Kanto}}, if the {{player}} has no {{ball|Poké}}s in their [[Bag]] and has added no caught data to the [[Pokédex]]|R=yes|B=yes|Y=yes|display={{ball|Poké}} ×5}}
{{itemlist|Venusaurite|Obtained from {{ga|Blue}} after earning seven [[badge]]s and going to the [[Viridian Gym]]|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{itemlist|Charizardite X|Obtained from {{ga|Blue}} after earning seven [[badge]]s and going to the [[Viridian Gym]]|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{itemlist|Charizardite Y|Obtained from {{ga|Blue}} after earning seven [[badge]]s and going to the [[Viridian Gym]]|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{itemlist|Blastoisinite|Obtained from {{ga|Blue}} after earning seven [[badge]]s and going to the [[Viridian Gym]]|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{itemlist|None|Obtained from [[Professor Oak]] after entering the [[Hall of Fame]] and catching at least 60 {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}|FR=yes|LG=yes|display=[[National Pokédex]]|sprite=Kanto Pokédex III OD}}
{{itemlist|HM Normal|Reward from [[Professor Oak]] after obtaining all 16 [[Badge]]s|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{HM|08|Rock Climb}}}}
{{itemlist|Jade Orb|Obtained from [[Professor Oak]] after he is shown the {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} from the [[Embedded Tower]]|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{itlistfoot|road}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation I===
{{Catch/header|road|no}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entry1|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|50%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|15|50%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry1|072|Tentacool|no|no|yes|Fish Super|10, 20|40%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry1|120|Staryu|no|no|yes|Fish Super|5, 10|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/div|road|Gift Pokémon}}
{{Catch/entry1|001|Bulbasaur|yes|yes|no|Starter|5|One|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry1|004|Charmander|yes|yes|no|Starter|5|One|type1=Fire}}
{{Catch/entry1|007|Squirtle|yes|yes|no|Starter|5|One|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry1|025|Pikachu|no|no|yes|Starter|5|One|type1=Electric}}
{{Catch/footer|road}}

===Generation II===
{{Catch/header|road|4}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Surf|30-39|all=90%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|yes|Surf|35-39|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=15%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=85%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=35%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|090|Shellder|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=35%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|170|Chinchou|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=20%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{Catch/entry2|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=20%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entry2|090|Shellder|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entry2|170|Chinchou|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=40%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{Catch/entry2|171|Lanturn|yes|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{Catch/footer|road}}

===Generation III===
{{Catch/header|road|no}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entryfl|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Surf|5-40|100%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|5-10|100%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|yes|no|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|no|yes|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|yes|no|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|no|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Fish Super|25-35|1%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Fish Super|25-35|1%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{Catch/entryfl|090|Shellder|yes|no|Fish Super|15-25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|098|Krabby|no|yes|Fish Super|15-25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|099|Kingler|no|yes|Fish Super|25-35|4%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|116|Horsea|yes|no|Fish Super|15-25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|117|Seadra|yes|no|Fish Super|25-35|4%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|120|Staryu|no|yes|Fish Super|15-25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/entryfl|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-25|15%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|road|Gift Pokémon}}
{{Catch/entryfl|001|Bulbasaur|yes|yes|Starter|5|One|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryfl|004|Charmander|yes|yes|Starter|5|One|type1=Fire}}
{{Catch/entryfl|007|Squirtle|yes|yes|Starter|5|One|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/footer|road|2}}

===Generation IV===
{{Catch/header|road|4}}
{{Catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{Catch/entryhs|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Surf|30-35|all=90%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryhs|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|Surf|35|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryhs|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=5%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=95%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|072|Tentacool|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=30%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entryhs|090|Shellder|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=3%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|170|Chinchou|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=7%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|073|Tentacruel|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=7%|type1=Water|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entryhs|090|Shellder|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|170|Chinchou|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=60%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|171|Lanturn|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=3%|type1=Water|type2=Electric}}
{{catch/div|road|Headbutt}}
{{catch/entryhs|163|Hoothoot|yes|yes|Headbutt|2-3|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|165|Ledyba|no|yes|Headbutt|5-6|all=30%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|167|Spinarak|yes|no|Headbutt|5-6|all=30%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|204|Pineco|yes|yes|Headbutt|2-3|all=30%|type1=Bug|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|265|Wurmple|yes|yes|Headbutt|2-3|all=20%|type1=Bug|10=k}}
{{catch/div|road|Headbutt (Special Tree)}}
{{catch/entryhs|163|Hoothoot|yes|yes|Headbutt|5-6|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying|10=k}}
{{catch/entryhs|265|Wurmple|yes|yes|Headbutt|5-6|all=20%|type1=Bug|10=k}}
{{Catch/div|road|Gift Pokémon}}
{{Catch/entryhs|001|Bulbasaur|yes|yes|Gift|5|all={{tt|One|Obtainable after defeating Red}}|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/entryhs|004|Charmander|yes|yes|Gift|5|all={{tt|One|Obtainable after defeating Red}}|type1=Fire}}
{{Catch/entryhs|007|Squirtle|yes|yes|Gift|5|all={{tt|One|Obtainable after defeating Red}}|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/footer|road|2}}

==Trainers==
===Generation I===
====Pokémon Red and Blue====
{{MS|001|Bulbasaur (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Bulbasaur}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr RG Blue 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}175
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=RGB
|location=Professor Oak's Laboratory
|pokemon=1}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=004
|pokemon=Charmander
|level=5
|type1=Fire
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MS|004|Charmander (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Charmander}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr RG Blue 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}175
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=RGB
|location=Professor Oak's Laboratory
|pokemon=1}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=007
|pokemon=Squirtle
|level=5
|type1=Water
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MS|007|Squirtle (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Squirtle}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr RG Blue 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}175
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=RGB
|location=Professor Oak's Laboratory
|pokemon=1}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Blue
|ndex=001
|pokemon=Bulbasaur
|level=5
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

====Pokémon Yellow====
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr Y Blue 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}175
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=Y
|location=Professor Oak's Laboratory
|pokemon=1}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=133
|pokemon=Eevee
|level=5
|type1=Normal
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Generation III===
{{MS|001|Bulbasaur (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Bulbasaur}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr FRLG Blue 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}80
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=FRLG
|location=Professor Oak's Laboratory
|pokemon=1}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=004
|pokemon=Charmander
|level=5
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MS|004|Charmander (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Charmander}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr FRLG Blue 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}80
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=FRLG
|location=Professor Oak's Laboratory
|pokemon=1}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=007
|pokemon=Squirtle
|level=5
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Tail Whip|move2type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{MS|007|Squirtle (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Squirtle}}:
{{Party/Single
|color={{blue color}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|sprite=Spr FRLG Blue 1.png
|prize={{PDollar}}80
|class=Rival
|classlink=Rival
|name={{color2|000|Blue (game)|Blue}}
|game=FRLG
|location=Professor Oak's Laboratory
|pokemon=1}}
| style="margin:auto" |{{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed
|ndex=001
|pokemon=Bulbasaur
|level=5
|gender=male
|type1=Grass|type2=Poison
|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal}}
{{Party/Footer}}

==Differences among generations==
===Generation I and III===
Pallet Town is very consistent in the way of layout. The square-shaped town with three buildings remains the same between Generation I and III, only enhancing aesthetic features. Trees have become bigger, flowers are more visible, and most other sprites have been upgraded to Generation III standards. Most of the town's residents remain the same and will tell Trainers the same messages. However, there is a woman in front of the [[signpost]] on the southwestern field that will move out of a Trainer's way when interacted with. In the Generation I to III transition, the garden in front of Professor Oak's Lab is removed, while other houses in Pallet have mailboxes instead of signs.

Professor Oak's Lab has gone through some slight remodeling. In Generation I, inside are three of Professor Oak's aides, two men and one woman, a couple of shelves full of books, a table with three [[Poké Ball]]s, a computer, two blank [[Pokédex]]es, and two tips for the player, while in Generation III, other than the significant graphical enhancements, the laboratory also has two plants in the entrance, a ''mysterious machine'', books on the floor, two regular machines in the corner, and a window. Changes in Red and Blue's house also sufficed. In Generation III, the player's bedroom features an enhanced version of the bedroom from Generation I with the SNES being replaced with an {{wp|Nintendo Entertainment System|NES}}.

===Generation II===
During Generation II, Pallet Town had little change done to the layout. Despite the graphical updates, the town remained totally unchanged save for the movement of the [[tall grass]] in the north. [[Daisy Oak|Daisy]], the sister of the {{ga|Blue|rival}}, who is living in the rival's house, will comb the player's Pokémon, causing its [[friendship]] to be raised. Daisy will groom one of the player's Pokémon for free once daily between 3:00 and 4:00 PM. Red's mom also appears in Generation II, telling the player how worried she is about Red, but also how proud she is of him.

===Generation IV===
During Generation IV, Pallet Town also had surprisingly little change down to the layout. Despite the graphical updates, the town remained totally unchanged. As in Generation II, [[Daisy Oak|Daisy]], {{ga|Blue}}'s sister, will groom the player's Pokémon between 3 and 4 PM, and will give away his [[Pokégear]] number if she is shown a Pokémon that is already very friendly and has a high {{OBP|Beauty|condition}} condition.

==Trainer Tips==
===Generation III===
{{sign|FRLG|header}}
{{sign|FRLG|title|TRAINER TIPS}}
{{sign|FRLG|Press START to open the MENU!}}
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==Music==
===Generation I===
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{colorschemelight|Kanto}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|Kanto}}"
! Track title (Japanese)
! Track title (English translation) [adapted]
! Composer
! Games
! Sound Track(s)
|- style="background:#fff"
| マサラタウンのテーマ
| Pallet Town Theme
| Junichi Masuda
| RGBY
| [[Game Boy: Entire Pokémon Sounds Collection CD]]
|}
===Generation II===
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{colorschemelight|Johto}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|Johto}}"
! Track title (Japanese)
! Track title (English translation) [adapted]
! Composer
! Games
! Sound Track(s)
|- style="background:#fff"
| マサラタウンのテーマ
| Pallet Town Theme
| Junichi Masuda
| GSC
| [[Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection]] (as [[GB Sounds]])
|}
===Generation III===
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{colorschemelight|FRLG}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|FRLG}}"
! Track title (Japanese)
! Track title (English translation) [adapted]
! Composer
! Games
! Sound Track(s)
|- style="background:#fff"
| マサラタウンのテーマ
| Pallet Town Theme
| Junichi Masuda
| FRLG
| [[Pokémon FireRed & Pokémon LeafGreen: Super Music Collection]]
|}
===Generation IV===
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{colorschemelight|HGSS}}; border: 3px solid #{{colorschemedark|HGSS}}"
! Track title (Japanese)
! Track title (English translation) [adapted]
! Composer
! Games
! Sound Track(s)
|- style="background:#fff"
| マサラタウン
| Pallet Town
| Junichi Masuda
| HGSS
| [[Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection]]
|- style="background:#fff"
| マサラタウン(ＧＢプレイヤー)
| Pallet Town ([[GB Sounds]])
| Junichi Masuda
| HGSS
| [[Pokémon HeartGold & Pokémon SoulSilver: Super Music Collection]]
|}

==In the spin-off games==
[[File:Pinball Red Pallet Town.png|thumb]]
===In Pokémon Pinball===
In {{g|Pinball}}, Pallet Town appears on the Red table. Catchable {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} include {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, {{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Pidgey}}, {{p|Nidoran♀}}, {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Poliwag}}, {{p|Tentacool}} and {{p|Tangela}}.

==In the anime==
===In the main series===
[[File:Pallet Town anime.png|thumb|250px|Overview of Pallet Town as seen in ''[[M04|Celebi: The Voice of the Forest]]'']]
Pallet Town is the [[hometown]] of {{Ash}} and his [[rival]] {{Gary}}. As in the {{pkmn|games}}, [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] is located in Pallet Town. Ash always returns here before visiting a new [[region]]. Pallet Town is depicted in the {{pkmn|anime}} as having dirt trails and wide open grass fields. Pallet Town debuted in the first episode, ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'', when {{Ash}} received his {{AP|Pikachu}}. Since then, it has been seen in many episodes, mostly in the start and ending of a region adventure, but also in [[Pokémon Chronicles]] and in the {{pkmn|movie}}s.

{{an|Professor Oak}}'s Laboratory stands out in Pallet Town for its wind turbine, the three windows of the inner balcony, and for the four windows of the second floor. Every time Ash {{pkmn2|caught|catches}} a Pokémon when he has six already [[party|with him]], the new Pokémon is automatically transported here. Ash also has a habit of leaving all of his Pokémon besides Pikachu here each time he leaves for a new region, starting with [[Hoenn]]. The lab is composed of two floors. Inside the entrance door is a hallway with several doors, and to the left is a chest of drawers and the stairway to the second floor. The Oak Corral is a natural environment for Pokémon development. It is divided into regions according to type; there are areas that are perfect for {{type|Rock}} Pokémon, desert areas for {{t|Ground}} and {{t|Fire}} types, grassy regions, and several lakes. Sometimes the Pokémon don't get along; for this reason, some Pokémon, such as [[Ash's Bulbasaur]], act as mediators between quarreling Pokémon.

The [[Xanadu Nursery]] is another location close to Pallet Town. The nursery is a large greenhouse that is home to various flowers and plants. Among them is a flower that contains {{m|Stun Spore}}. Two of the nursery's employees are [[Florinda Showers]] and [[Potter]]. Along with Florinda's {{p|Gloom}}, they help to make sure the operations at Xanadu run smoothly. While {{pkmn|training}} for the [[Pokémon League]] in ''[[EP068|Make Room for Gloom]]'', {{Delia|Ash's mom}} requested that her son help her run some errands and visit the nursery. {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} took off, not wanting to help with Delia's plans. Eventually, they ended up at the very place she requested them to be at.

Ash has left for another region on an airplane in both ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]'' and ''[[BW142|The Dream Continues!]]'' shortly after visiting Pallet Town; however, whether an airport is actually located in the town itself or not is unknown.

====Gallery====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #BDBDBD; {{roundy}}; border: 3px solid #A8A8A8"
|- style="background:#D3D3D3"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Ash's house
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Professor Oak's Laboratory
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:Ash house.png|x170px]]
| [[File:Professor Oaks Laboratory.png|x170px]]
|}

===In Pokémon Origins===
[[File:Pallet Town PO.png|thumb|250px|Pallet Town in Pokémon Origins]]
Pallet Town made a couple of appearances in [[Pokémon Origins]], being the hometown of {{OBP|Red|Origins}} and {{OBP|Blue|Origins}}. It first appeared in ''[[PO01|File 1: Red]]'', where both Red and Blue were seen receiving a [[Pokédex]] each from Professor Oak, after which they got to choose their starter Pokémon. Red chose {{TP|Red|Charmander}}, while Blue chose {{p|Squirtle}} to counter Red's choice. Afterwards, both Red and Blue departed Pallet Town and started gathering information on their Pokédexes.

Pallet Town's next major appearance was in ''[[PO04|File 4: Charizard]]'', where Red returned to Professor Oak's Laboratory to tell him how he had completed his Pokédex, only to find out that Blue had been injured during a battle against an unknown Pokémon at [[Cerulean Cave]], during which his own Pokédex had also gotten destroyed. Red soon understood that the mysterious Pokémon was in fact {{p|Mewtwo}}, a genetically enhanced version of a rare Pokémon called {{p|Mew}}. In order to add Mewtwo's data to the Pokédex, Red headed to Cerulean Cave, where he battled and, with extreme effort, successfully caught Mewtwo. During a small party held by Professor Oak to celebrate the completion of the Pokédex, Red realized that since Mewtwo was created from Mew, he still had to go find and catch Mew in order to make the Pokédex truly complete.

===In ''[[M20|I Choose You!]]''===
[[File:Pallet Town M20.png|thumb|250px|Pallet Town in ''I Choose You!'']]
Pallet Town appeared at the beginning of ''[[M20|I Choose You!]]'', set in an alternate timeline from the main series, as the [[hometown]] of {{OBP|Ash Ketchum|M20}}.
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====Gallery====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #BDBDBD; {{roundy}}; border: 3px solid #A8A8A8"
|- style="background:#D3D3D3"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Ash's {{color2|000|Player's house|house}}
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Professor Oak's Laboratory}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:Ash house M20.png|x170px]]
| [[File:Professor Oak Laboratory M20.png|x170px]]
|}

==In the manga==
[[File:Pallet Town AP.png|thumb|220px|Pallet Town in Ash and Pikachu]]
===In the Ash and Pikachu manga===
Pallet Town appeared in ''[[SP11|Do Your Best Bulbasaur!!]]'' and ''[[SP33|Off To The Battle Frontier!!]]''.

====Gallery====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #BDBDBD; {{roundy}}; border: 3px solid #A8A8A8"
|- style="background:#D3D3D3"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Red's {{color2|000|Player's house|house}}
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Professor Oak's Laboratory}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:Ash house AP.png|x170px]]
| [[File:Professor Oak Laboratory AP.png|x170px]]
|}
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===In The Electric Tale of Pikachu manga===
[[File:Pallet Town EToP.png|thumb|220px|Pallet Town in The Electric Tale of Pikachu]]
As in the anime, {{OBP|Ash Ketchum|EToP|Ash}}'s hometown is Pallet Town in the [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga series. [[Professor Oak]] does not appear to live in Pallet Town full-time, as he is seen doing a field study of Clefairy in ''[[ET03|Clefairy Tale]]''. It is, however, the hometown of Ash and {{Gary}}, as well as the current residence of [[Delia Ketchum]] and [[Daisy Oak|May Oak]].

According to Gary, {{AP|Pikachu}} are commonly found around Pallet Town.
====Gallery====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #BDBDBD; {{roundy}}; border: 3px solid #A8A8A8"
|- style="background:#D3D3D3"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Ash's house
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:Ash house EToP.png|x170px]]
|}

===In the movie adaptations===
[[File:Pallet Town M20 manga.png|thumb|220px|Pallet Town in ''{{ma|I Choose You!}}'']]
Pallet Town appeared in ''{{ma|I Choose You!}}''.

====Gallery====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #BDBDBD; {{roundy}}; border: 3px solid #A8A8A8"
|- style="background:#D3D3D3"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Ash's {{color2|000|Player's house|house}}
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Professor Oak's Laboratory}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:Ash house M20 manga.png|x170px]]
| [[File:Professor Oak Laboratory M20 manga.png|x170px]]
|}

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Pallet Town Adventures.png|thumb|220px|Pallet Town in Pokémon Adventures]]
In the {{chap|Red, Green & Blue}}, Pallet Town is visited in the rounds ''[[PS001|A Glimpse of the Glow]]'', ''[[PS002|Bulbasaur, Come Home!]]'' and ''[[PS003|The Secret of Kangaskhan]]'' for being the hometown of the main characters {{adv|Red}}, {{adv|Blue}}, and {{adv|Green}}, as well as the place where [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]] is located. It is also where Red caught a {{p|Nidorino}} when most of the children tried to catch it but didn't weaken him. The town also has a forest where Red and Blue see a {{p|Mew}} whilst {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}s try to capture it. Later, in ''[[PS027|Kalling Kadabra]]'', the entire townspeople are kidnapped and held hostage in the [[Silph Co.]] headquarters in [[Saffron City]]. Near the end of the series, it is revealed that {{adv|Green}} was also born in Pallet Town.

In the {{chap|Yellow}}, Red saved a postman from his rampaging {{p|Ponyta}}. The postman had arrived at Pallet Town to deliver a letter to Red. Once it was clear that Red had disappeared after accepting the challenge written in the letter, {{adv|Yellow}} came to Pallet Town and assumed guardianship of the [[Pika]]chu that ran back to Professor Oak's lab. Green had also found a new house in Pallet Town, and used it to monitor Yellow's progress.

In the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}}, Red and Blue are attacked by a {{p|Deoxys}} here.

====Gallery====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #BDBDBD; {{roundy}}; border: 3px solid #A8A8A8"
|- style="background:#D3D3D3"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Red's {{color2|000|Player's house|house}}
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Professor Oak's Laboratory}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:Red house.png|x170px]]
| [[File:Professor Oak Laboratory Adventures.png|x170px]]
|}

===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===
[[File:Pallet Town PM.png|thumb|200px|Pallet Town in [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]]]]
Pallet Town is the hometown of {{OBP|Red|Pocket Monsters}} and his rival, {{OBP|Green|Pocket Monsters}}. Professor Oak also resides in Pallet Town, offering the two boys their choice of [[starter Pokémon]], though Red chooses a {{TP|Red|Clefairy}} that he met on the way to the laboratory instead.

====Gallery====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #BDBDBD; {{roundy}}; border: 3px solid #A8A8A8"
|- style="background:#D3D3D3"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Reds {{color2|000|Player's house|house}}
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Professor Oak's Laboratory}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:Red house PM.png|x170px]]
| [[File:Professor Oak Laboratory PM.png|x170px]]
|}

===In the Pokémon Zensho manga===
[[File:Pallet Town Zensho.png|thumb|220px|Pallet Town in Pokémon Zensho]]
Pallet Town appeared in [[PZ01]]. {{Zensho|Satoshi}} received his {{TP|Satoshi|Charmander|Charmander (Zensho)}} there at [[Professor Oak's laboratory]].

====Gallery====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #BDBDBD; {{roundy}}; border: 3px solid #A8A8A8"
|- style="background:#D3D3D3"
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Satoshi's {{color2|000|Player's house|house}}
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|000|Professor Oak's Laboratory}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:Satoshi house Zensho.png|x170px]]
| [[File:Professor Oak Laboratory Zensho.png|x170px]]
|}
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==Trivia==
* In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, Pallet Town is famous for being the hometown of many great Trainers, including [[Professor Oak]].
* In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, {{ga|Red}}'s bedroom features an area rug around his bed that is red in color. {{ga|Blue}}'s bedroom features a similar area rug, which is instead green in color. This is a reference to Blue's Japanese name, Green.
* In each [[generation]], Pallet Town's theme music has been extended by 10 seconds, from 75 seconds in the [[Generation I]] games to 105 seconds in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.
* In all Western [[Generation I]] games, when Professor Oak gives the {{player}} 5 {{ball|Poké}}s, his dialogue contains some errors that do not exist in the original Japanese versions:
** In {{game2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, part of the text overlaps the previous line as opposed to inserting a new line and scrolling the text box accordingly.
*** In English Yellow only, this was fixed. However, a word is now misspelled.
*** Specifically in the Italian versions, another error was made; one of the words is rendered on top of the text-box's right border instead of appearing in a new line.

===Name origin===
{| class="roundy" style="background: #bdbdbd; border: 3px solid #a8a8a8"
|-
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| マサラタウン ''Masara Town''
| From 真っ新 ''massara'' (brand new) or 真っ白 ''masshiro'' (pure white)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, Dutch Canadian French
| Pallet Town
| From ''{{wp|palette}}'', a range of colors used in various means
|- style="background:#FFF"
| French
| Bourg Palette
| From ''bourg'' (village) and ''palette''
|- style="background:#FFF"
| German, Polish
| Alabastia
| From ''{{wp|Alabaster}}'', a white mineral
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Biancavilla
| From ''bianco'' (white) and ''villa'' (estate; common city suffix)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Spanish
| Pueblo Paleta
| From ''paleta'', palette
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 태초마을 ''Taecho Maeul''
| From 태초 (太初) ''taecho'', beginning
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 真新鎮 / 真新镇 ''Zhēnxīn Zhèn''
| From 真新 ''zhēnxīn '', truly new
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan="2"| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 真新鎮 ''Jānsān Jan''{{tt|*|Games}}
| From 真新 ''jānsān'', truly new
|- style="background:#FFF"
| 純白鎮 ''Sèuhnbaahk Jan''{{tt|*|Pre-Gen VII Media}}
| From 純白 ''sèuhnbaahk'', pure white
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Arabic
| قرية شورباك '''Qaryat Shoreback''
| The town of Shoreback
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Bulgarian
| Град Паллет ''Grad Pallet''
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Valencian
| Ciutat Palet
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Croatian
| Grad Pallet
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Czech
| Oblázkové město
| From ''oblázek' (pebble) and ''město'' (town, city)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Danish
| Pallet Town{{tt|*|Advanced Generation series - present, M03, M04}} Paletby{{tt|*|S10}} Byen Pallet{{tt|*|S01}} Palette Town{{tt|*|M01 subtitles}}
| From ''palet'' (palette) and ''by'' (town)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Finnish
| Pallet Town{{tt|*|S20}} Palleti kaupunki{{tt|*|S01}}
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Indonesian
| Kota Pallet {{tt|*|Diamond & Pearl series}} Kota Masara{{tt|*|Original and Advanced Generation series}}
| From its English name From its Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Icelandic
| Palletbær
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Norwegian
| Pallet Town{{tt|*|S20, M01, VHS description}} Palletby{{tt|*|Advanced Generation series, M03, M04}} Byen Pallet{{tt|*|S01, M01}}
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Brazilian Portuguese
| Cidade de Pallet{{tt|*|anime, manga, Pokémon Club, Pokémon Characters Guidebook}} Cidade Pallet{{tt|*|XY137, The Official Pokémon Handbook}} Pallet Town{{tt|*|The Official Pokémon Handbook}}
| From its English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| European Portuguese
| Aldeia Paleta
| From ''paleta'', palette
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Russian
| Паллет-Таун ''Pallet-Taun'' Алабастия ''Alabastiya''{{tt|*|EP001 - EP107, M01 - M03}} Город Поддона ''Gorod Poddona''{{tt|*|The Official Pokémon Handbook II}}
| From its English name From its German and Polish name Literally "Palette Town"
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Serbian
| Grad Pallet
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Swedish
| Pallet Town{{tt|*|Diamond and Pearl series - present, M03}} Palletstaden{{tt|*|Original series-Advanced Generation series, M04}} Staden Pallet{{tt|*|EP030, M01}}
| From English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Thai
| มาซาระทาวน์ ''Masara Town''
| Transliteration of its Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Vietnamese
| Thị trấn Masara
| Transliteration of its Japanese name
|}{{-}}

==References==
* [http://www.psypokes.com/dex/index.php Psypoke Psydex] - Pokémon catch rates

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[[de:Alabastia]]
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[[zh:真新镇]]

Cerulean Cave

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{{Infobox location
|image=HGSS Cerulean Cave-{{#switch: {{#time: G}}|4|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16=Day|17|18|19=Evening|20|21|22|23|0|1|2|3=Night}}.png
|image_size=256
|type=cave
|mapdesc=A mysterious cave that is filled with terribly tough <sc>Pok</sc>é<sc>mon</sc>. It is so dangerous, the <sc>Pok</sc>é<sc>mon League</sc> is in charge of it.{{sup/3|FRLG}} A cave that had collapsed once. It has been reconstructed.{{sup/4|HGSS}}
|location_name=Cerulean Cave
|japanese_name=ハナダのどうくつ
|translated_name=Hanada Cave
|other_info=Unknown Dungeon
|location=[[Cerulean City]]
|region=Kanto
|generation={{gen|I}}, {{gen|III}}, {{gen|IV}}
}}

'''Cerulean Cave''' (Japanese: '''ハナダのどうくつ''' ''Hanada Cave'') is a [[cave]] located in the northwest corner of [[Cerulean City]] in [[Kanto]].

In [[Generation I]], the cave was inconsistently referred to as the '''Unknown Dungeon''' (Japanese: '''ななしのどうくつ''' ''Nameless Cave'') in addition to its name. This moniker would later be reused for the {{kal|Unknown Dungeon}} in [[Kalos]], which is a direct reference to Cerulean Cave.

==In the games==
Cerulean Cave is home to a wide variety of high-[[level]] [[wild Pokémon]]. {{p|Mewtwo}} inhabits the deepest part of the cave.

The [[Pokémon League]] only permits {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who have entered the [[Hall of Fame]] to enter. In {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, {{player}}s must further prove themselves before entering the cave, which is done by completing the quest on [[Sevii Islands]] and restoring the Network Machine of the [[Pokémon Network Center]] to operational status.

In Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, more Pokémon can be found only by [[fishing]], while there are fewer different species of wild Pokémon found by walking around in the cave.

In [[Generation II]], Cerulean Cave completely collapsed but the leftovers of Mewtwo's presence remain and are found in the lake near the cave, in the form of the item [[Berserk Gene]]. In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Cerulean Cave has been rebuilt and Mewtwo can once again be found inside. An [[Non-player character|NPC]] blocks the entrance until the player has obtained all eight Kanto Gym [[Badge]]s (as opposed to defeating the Pokémon League at Indigo Plateau, the requirement in the Generation I games and Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen).

===Geography===
[[File:Mewtwo FRLG.png|right|thumb|Encountering Mewtwo in the cave in FireRed and LeafGreen]]
Cerulean Cave is a large underground complex of maze-like tunnels which extend out from [[Cerulean City]] to the mountains beyond. With the dark entrance positioned on the outskirts of Cerulean City, only accessible by {{m|surf}}ing down {{rt|24|Kanto}} to the entrance near the northern border of [[Cerulean City]], the [[cave]] has been renowned for its mystery. The entrance to the cave looks like it has been carved out from a hillside, forming an indented entrance into the hill. An [[Non-player character|NPC]] guards the entrance to the cave and only allows {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who own all eight Kanto Gym [[Badge]]s and have entered the [[Hall of Fame]] to enter.

At the deepest point of the cave lives {{p|Mewtwo}}, a {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} that can only be found in Cerulean Cave. Mewtwo was created by man in the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} before it became too powerful and escaped, exiling itself to the cave, never to be seen again.

Cerulean Cave has had many different layouts over time, getting a change from not only one [[generation]] to the next but also from one game release to the next. Despite these changes, the first floor is mostly unaffected and has a large underground lake which covers most of the area. Using the complex of stairs and ladders, Trainers can make their way around the lake and the first floor of the cave. They will reach the upper floor, which has no underground river, but a like maze-like structure formed by large boulders and rocks that must be maneuvered around in order to reach the end. Once Trainers get through the maze formation, they are able to climb the ladders and get around the underground lake on the basement floor, which will lead them straight to a dead end and to Mewtwo.

===Items===
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixer|1F, southwest of the northeasternmost ladder|R=yes|B=yes|display=[[Max Elixir|Max Elixer]]|sprite=Bag Max Elixir Sprite}}
{{Itemlist|Nugget|1F, in the northwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|
* 1F, near the [[Nugget]] ''(hidden)''
* 2F, in the southeast area of the floor, accessible from the ladder in the east area of 1F (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})
* B1F, northeast of the center of the map, on a plateau|FR=yes|LG=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|1F, on a rock on the plateau east of the [[Full Restore]] ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|1F, northeast of the center of the floor, on a plateau|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixer|
* 1F. northeast of the southwesternmost ladder
* B1F, in the north area of the floor|Y=yes|display=[[Max Elixir|Max Elixer]] ×2|sprite=Bag Max Elixir Sprite}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|
* 1F, near the southeast corner of the floor
* 2F, in the west area of the floor, accessible from the easternmost ladder in the northeast area of 1F|Y=yes|display=[[Rare Candy]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Nugget|
* 1F, near the northwest corner
* B1F, behind a lone {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rock}} northeast of the rocks in the center ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Nugget]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Hyper Potion|1F, on the wall behind the {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} in the southwest corner ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{DL|Potion|Hyper Potion}}}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|1F, along the south wall|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|1F, on a small crystal in the middle ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|1F, near the center, at the end of a bridge|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Sea Incense|1F, north edge|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Rare Candy|1F, in the far southeast corner ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|2F, in the east area of the floor, accessible from the ladder on the plateau north of the entrance on 1F|R=yes|B=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|
* 2F, in the east area of the floor, accessible from the northeasternmost ladder on 1F (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})
* 1F, in the southwest area of the floor|FR=yes|LG=yes|display=[[Full Restore]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|
* 2F, northwest of the center of the floor, accessible from the ladder on a plateau in the northwest area of 1F
* 1F, in the southwest area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|display=[[Full Restore]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|
* 2F, in the southwest area of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F
* B1F, near the center of the floor
* B1F, on a rock that stands out in the northeast area of the floor ''(hidden)''|R=yes|B=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|2F, in the southwest area of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|
* 2F, near the center of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F
* 1F, northeast of the center of the floor
* B1F, on the southwesternmost plateau
* B1F, near the northeast corner of the floor|Y=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×4}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|
* 2F, southeast of the center of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F
* 1F, in the east area of the floor
* B1F, on the southwesternmost plateau|Y=yes|display=[[Max Revive]] ×3}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|
* 2F, on the lone rock south of the center of the floor, accessible from the southwesternmost ladder on 1F ''(hidden)''
* 1F, on a lone rock south of the [[Ultra Ball]] ''(hidden)''
* B1F, on a rock that stands out close to the waterway to the southwesternmost plateau ''(hidden)''|Y=yes|display=[[PP Up]] ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|2F, in the east area of the floor, accessible from the ladder in the east area of 1F|Y=yes}}
{{Itemlist|TM Electric|2F, northeast corner (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{TM|24|Thunderbolt}}}}
{{Itemlist|PP Up|
* 2F, west side of 2F
* 2F, in the isolated crystal in the bottom left ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[PP Up]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Zinc|2F, in the large open area on the east side ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Heal|2F, in the large open area on the east side ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Big Pearl|2F, in the large open area on the east side ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Ultra Ball|
* 2F, west side
* 2F, in the large open area on the east side ''(hidden)''
* B1F, west of the {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} in the center ''(hidden)''
* B1F, near the southwest corner|HG=yes|SS=yes|display={{ball|Ultra}} ×4}}
{{Itemlist|Odd Incense|2F, near the center (requires {{m|Rock Smash}})|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Protein|2F, near the northwest corner ''(hidden)''|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|B1F, in the northeast area of the floor|R=yes|B=yes|FR=yes|LG=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Escape Rope|B1F, near the northeast corner of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Full Restore|B1F, southwest of the [[Escape Rope]], on a plateau|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Elixir|B1F, in the south area of the floor|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Mewtwonite X|B1F, received from {{ga|Leaf|Green}} after defeating her|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Mewtwonite Y|B1F, received from {{ga|Leaf|Green}} after defeating her|LP=yes|LE=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Poké Ball|B1F, on the ground after defeating {{ga|Leaf|Green}}|LP=yes|LE=yes|display={{ball|Poké}} ×5}}
{{Itemlist|Max Revive|
* B1F, among the {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} on the west side ''(hidden)''
* B1F, northwest of the {{m|Rock Smash|smashable rocks}} in the center|HG=yes|SS=yes|display=[[Max Revive]] ×2}}
{{Itemlist|Dusk Stone|B1F, center (requires {{m|Rock Climb}})|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Electirizer|B1F, northeast corner (requires {{m|Rock Climb}})|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Black Sludge|B1F, southeast corner|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

====Rock Smash====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Red Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Blue Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Yellow Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Green Shard|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Heart Scale|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Revive|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Max Ether|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Star Piece|Randomly found by {{m|Rock Smash|smashing}} rocks|HG=yes|SS=yes}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

===Pokémon===
====Generation I====
Cerulean Cave is not listed as a [[Pokédex]] area in the [[Generation I]] games. Therefore, any Pokémon that can only be found in Cerulean Cave is listed as "<sc>Area Unknown</sc>" by the {{DL|List of Pokémon by Kanto Pokédex number|Kanto Pokédex}} in these games.

=====1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|024|Arbok|yes|no|no|Cave|52|10%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|026|Raichu|yes|yes|no|Cave|53|4%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|028|Sandslash|no|yes|yes|Cave|52|10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Cave|46|25%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|50, 55|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|044|Gloom|no|no|yes|Cave|55|10%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|047|Parasect|yes|yes|no|Cave|52|5%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry1|047|Parasect|no|no|yes|Cave|54|5%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry1|049|Venomoth|yes|yes|no|Cave|49|10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|049|Venomoth|no|no|yes|Cave|54|5%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|no|Cave|49|5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|070|Weepinbell|no|no|yes|Cave|55|10%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|45|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|082|Magneton|yes|yes|no|Cave|46|15%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|085|Dodrio|yes|yes|no|Cave|49|10%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|097|Hypno|yes|yes|no|Cave|46|15%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|yes|yes|no|Cave|53|1%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|no|no|yes|Cave|55, 60|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entry1|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|080|Slowbro|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|117|Seadra|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|no|no|yes|Fish Super|25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|119|Seaking|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|119|Seaking|no|no|yes|Fish Super|35, 45, 55|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|028|Sandslash|no|no|yes|Cave|56|10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|040|Wigglytuff|yes|yes|no|Cave|54|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|52, 57|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|044|Gloom|no|no|yes|Cave|58|5%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|049|Venomoth|yes|yes|no|Cave|51|15%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|no|Cave|51|15%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|070|Weepinbell|no|no|yes|Cave|58|5%|type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|50|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|085|Dodrio|yes|yes|no|Cave|51|25%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|101|Electrode|yes|yes|no|Cave|52|10%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|105|Marowak|yes|yes|no|Cave|52|10%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|111|Rhyhorn|no|no|yes|Cave|50|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|112|Rhydon|yes|yes|no|Cave|52|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|112|Rhydon|no|no|yes|Cave|58, 60|5%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|113|Chansey|yes|yes|no|Cave|56|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|yes|yes|no|Cave|55, 60|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|no|no|yes|Cave|60|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====B1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry1|024|Arbok|yes|no|no|Cave|57|5%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry1|026|Raichu|yes|yes|no|Cave|64|10%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|028|Sandslash|no|yes|no|Cave|57|5%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Cave|54, 59|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry1|047|Parasect|yes|yes|no|Cave|64|10%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry1|075|Graveler|no|no|yes|Cave|55|15%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|101|Electrode|yes|yes|no|Cave|55|15%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entry1|105|Marowak|yes|yes|no|Cave|55|15%|type1=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|108|Lickitung|no|no|yes|Cave|50, 55|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|111|Rhyhorn|no|no|yes|Cave|52|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|112|Rhydon|yes|yes|no|Cave|55|25%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|112|Rhydon|no|no|yes|Cave|62|10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry1|113|Chansey|yes|yes|no|Cave|64|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|113|Chansey|no|no|yes|Cave|56|5%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|yes|yes|no|Cave|63, 65, 67|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry1|132|Ditto|no|no|yes|Cave|60, 65|15%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entry1|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|yes|Fish Good|10|50%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|080|Slowbro|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry1|099|Kingler|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|117|Seadra|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|118|Goldeen|no|no|yes|Fish Super|30|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|119|Seaking|yes|yes|no|Fish Super|23|25%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry1|119|Seaking|no|no|yes|Fish Super|40, 50, 60|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entry1|150|Mewtwo|yes|yes|yes|Special|70|One|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation III====
=====1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|49, 58|25%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryfl|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|49|20%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|46, 55|14%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|057|Primeape|yes|yes|Cave|52, 61|11%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|52, 61|11%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|46|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|58|5%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryfl|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|55|4%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Surf|30-50|65%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Surf|30-50|65%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Surf|40-55|35%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Surf|40-55|35%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Fish Super|20-30|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-25|15%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Fish Super|15-35|5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Fish Super|15-35|5%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|30-50|65%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|40-55|35%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|49, 58|25%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|49|20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|52, 61|14%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryfl|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|Cave|55, 64|11%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|55, 64|11%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|52|10%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryfl|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|58|5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|61|4%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|35-55|65%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|45-60|35%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====B1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryfl|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|Cave|58, 67|25%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|58, 67|25%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryfl|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|55, 64|14%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryfl|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|52, 61|11%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|52|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryfl|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|55|10%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryfl|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|64|4%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryfl|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|61|1%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Surf|40-60|65%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Surf|40-60|65%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryfl|055|Golduck|yes|no|Surf|50-65|35%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|080|Slowbro|no|yes|Surf|50-65|35%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|5|100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|5-15|20%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-25|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Fish Super|20-30|40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|15-35|16%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryfl|054|Psyduck|yes|no|Fish Super|15-25|4%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryfl|079|Slowpoke|no|yes|Fish Super|15-25|4%|type1=Water|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryfl|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|40-60|65%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryfl|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|50-65|35%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryfl|150|Mewtwo|yes|yes|Special|70|One|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

====Generation IV====
=====1F=====
{{catch/header|cave}}
{{catch/entryhs|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|40|all=5%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|37|all=5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|39-40|24%|24%|6%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|38|20%|20%|10%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryhs|057|Primeape|yes|no|Cave|38-39|14%|14%|0%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|057|Primeape|yes|no|Cave|39|0%|0%|4%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|053|Persian|no|yes|Cave|38-39|14%|14%|0%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|053|Persian|no|yes|Cave|39|0%|0%|4%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|40|11%|11%|10%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryhs|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|39-40|11%|11%|10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|38|10%|10%|0%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|38-39|0%|0%|50%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Surf|35-40|all=90%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|055|Golduck|yes|yes|Surf|40|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=62%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=33%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|23|all=90%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|26-30|all=10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|39-40|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|38|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|39-40|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|38|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====2F=====
{{catch/header|cave}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|41|10%|10%|0%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|41-42|0%|0%|20%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|40|all=20%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryhs|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|Cave|42|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|39-42|20%|20%|0%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|39|0%|0%|10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|41|all=10%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryhs|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|41|all=5%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|42|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|42|all=5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|41-42|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|39-41|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|41-42|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|39-41|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

=====B1F=====
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entryhs|047|Parasect|yes|yes|Cave|45-47|all=25%|type1=Bug|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entryhs|064|Kadabra|yes|yes|Cave|46|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|082|Magneton|yes|yes|Cave|45-47|all=15%|type1=Electric|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entryhs|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|47|all=10%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|067|Machoke|yes|yes|Cave|45|all=10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|132|Ditto|yes|yes|Cave|45|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|101|Electrode|yes|yes|Cave|46|all=5%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|202|Wobbuffet|yes|yes|Cave|49|all=5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entryhs|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|Surf|35-40|all=90%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|055|Golduck|yes|yes|Surf|40|all=10%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Old|10|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=62%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|118|Goldeen|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=33%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish Good|20|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|061|Poliwhirl|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|30%|30%|0%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entryhs|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|Fish Super|40|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|cave|Rock Smash}}
{{catch/entryhs|074|Geodude|yes|yes|Rock Smash|22|all=90%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entryhs|075|Graveler|yes|yes|Rock Smash|26|all=10%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/div|cave|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|150|Mewtwo|yes|yes|Special|70|all=One|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|296|Makuhita|yes|yes|Hoenn|45|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entryhs|359|Absol|yes|yes|Hoenn|45-47|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entryhs|433|Chingling|yes|yes|Sinnoh|45|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entryhs|436|Bronzor|yes|yes|Sinnoh|45-47|all=20%|type1=Steel|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

===Layout===
The layout of the cave has been tweaked several times in the past, particularly in [[Generation I]].

In {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, it has been restored to the original layout found in {{game|Red and Green|s}}, with the addition of {{m|Rock Smash}} boulders.

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, the layout of the first and second floors is based on the equivalent layout from Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, while the layout of the basement is based on the respective layout from {{game|Yellow}}. Rock Smash boulders are also present and {{m|Rock Climb}} surfaces were added.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #000; border: 3px solid #{{Locationcolor/dark|cave}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}" | 1F
! style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}" | 2F
! style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | B1F
|-
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Red (Ja)}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon 1F RG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon 2F RG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon B1F RG.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{green color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Green}}
|-
! style="background:#{{red color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon 1F RB.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon 2F RB.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Unknown Dungeon B1F RB.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{blue color}}" | {{color2|fff|Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Blue}}
|-
! style="background:#{{yellow color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon Yellow Version|Yellow}}
| [[File:Unknown Dungeon 1F Y.png|180px]]
| [[File:Unknown Dungeon 2F Y.png|180px]]
| [[File:Unknown Dungeon B1F Y.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{firered color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave 1F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave 2F FRLG.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave B1F FRLG.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{leafgreen color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen}}
|-
! style="background:#{{heartgold color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave 1F HGSS.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave 2F HGSS.png|180px]]
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Cerulean Cave B1F HGSS.png|180px]]
|-
! style="background:#{{soulsilver color}}" | {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|SoulSilver}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{Locationcolor/light|cave}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |  
|}

===[[Location preview|Preview]]===
<gallery>
File:FL Cerulean Cave.png|FRLG
File:HGSS Cerulean Cave-Morning.png|HGSS Morning (Ditto)
File:HGSS Cerulean Cave-Day.png|HGSS Day/Evening (Ditto)
File:HGSS Cerulean Cave-Night.png|HGSS Night (Magneton)
</gallery>

==In the anime==
===In Pokémon Origins===
[[File:Cerulean Cave entrance PO.png|thumb|220px|left|Cerulean Cave's entrance in [[Pokémon Origins]]]]
[[File:Cerulean Cave inside PO.png|thumb|220px|Cerulean Cave's interior in Pokémon Origins]]
Cerulean Cave appeared in ''[[PO04|File 4: Charizard]]''. It was first mentioned by {{OBP|Blue|Origins}}, who had went to the cave after hearing rumors of an extremely strong Pokémon living in there. He intended to catch it, but got badly injured while battling it when his {{p|Blastoise}} was sent flying and crashed on top of him. After he had told [[Professor Oak]] and {{OBP|Red|Origins}} about this, Red soon recalled the {{FB|Pokémon Mansion|journals}} he had found at the {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} at [[Cinnabar Island]], and understood that the mysterious Pokémon was in fact {{p|Mewtwo}}, an [[artificial Pokémon]] created by enhanching the powers of {{p|Mew}}.

Wanting to help Professor Oak to complete the [[Pokédex]], Red then headed to Cerulean Cave, where he encountered Mewtwo. Being amazingly strong and {{m|Recover|durable}}, Mewtwo was capable of defeating almost all of Red's Pokémon, excluding only his {{TP|Red|Charizard}}. At first, even Charizard was losing, and was sent into the waters of the cave, along with Red. However, Red's [[Key Stone]] and Charizard's [[Mega Stone]] then activated, [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolving]] Charizard into Mega Charizard X and making it able to defeat Mewtwo, allowing Red to catch it.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Cerulean Cave Adventures.png|thumb|230px|Cerulean Cave in Pokémon Adventures]]
Cerulean Cave appeared in ''[[PS034|And Mewtwo Too?!]]'' and ''[[PS035|And Mewtwo... Three!]]''. Upon hearing from {{adv|Bill}} about a monster that had caused massive destruction in the northwest sector of Cerulean City, {{adv|Red}} went to investigate Cerulean Cave, where the monster was said to have fled to. Once Red arrived at the cave, he and {{cat|Red's Pokémon|his Pokémon}} were soon caught in a tornado, which seemed to originate from inside the cave. Red and his Pokémon were saved from being blown away by [[Blaine]] and his {{p|Rapidash}}. Blaine explained that the tornado was actually {{m|Psywave}}, a {{type|Psychic}} move capable of both attacking and defending at the same time, and the user of the move was {{adv|Mewtwo}}, the "beast" sighted in Cerulean City.

To Red's horror, Blaine revealed that he, while working as a [[Team Rocket scientists|scientist]] in [[Team Rocket]], had been involved in Mewtwo's creation. Since Team Rocket had been unable to get enough of {{p|Mew}}'s DNA to complete the Genetic Pokémon, Blaine had finished it by using cells from his own arm. In the process, some of Mewtwo's cells ended up in his arm, causing it to be horribly mutatated. This also gave both him and Mewtwo the ability to sense each other's presence. However, the mutated cells in his arm were slowly spreading to the rest of his body, and would eventually kill him. Realizing what kind of an abomination he had created, Blaine had subsequently left Team Rocket.

Blaine was determined to destroy the monster he himself had created, even if it would cost him his life. After putting Red inside of a protective fireball, he and Rapidash charged through the Psywave tornado at Mewtwo, creating a massive explosion. Despite the hit, Mewtwo was still capable of fighting. As Blaine was down for the count, Red tried to battle Mewtwo himself, sending out [[Poli]]. However, Mewtwo easily knocked the Tadpole Pokémon back with a giant spoon it created. Blaine explained that Mewtwo would form its Psywave into a tornado while fighting multiple enemies at once, and into a spoon for a single enemy. This gave Red an idea, and he sent out all of his Pokémon, causing Mewtwo to switch into its tornado tactic again. However, before the tornado got to full power, Red dived into the eye of the storm with [[Aero]], and sent [[Pika]] diving further down into Mewtwo itself, capturing it with the [[Master Ball]] Blaine had given Red just moments earlier. Afterwards, Red gave Mewtwo to Blaine, telling him to teach it the kindness of humans, before heading off to the [[Indigo Plateau]].
{{-}}

==Trivia==
*In the Generation I handheld games, the nest feature of the Pokédex never displays Pokémon as appearing in Cerulean Cave, likely to keep its existence as a secret until the player beats the game. However, the [[Pokémon Stadium series|Pokémon Stadium]] games do display Pokémon appearing here.

==In other languages==
{|
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|
''Cerulean Cave''
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|cave}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|cave}}
|zh_cmn={{tt|華藍洞窟|Huálán Dòngkū}} ''Huálán Cave''
|fr_ca=Caverne Azurée
|fr_eu=Caverne Azurée
|de=Azuria-Höhle
|it=Grotta Celeste
|ko={{tt|블루시티동굴|Blue City Donggul}} ''Blue City Cave''
|pt_br=Caverna de Cerulean
|es=Cueva Celeste
|vi=Hang động Hanada
}}
|
''Unknown Dungeon''
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|cave}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|cave}}
|da=Det Ukendte Tårn{{tt|*|Danish version of The Official Pokémon Handbook}}
|fr_ca=Grotte Inconnue
|fr_eu=Grotte Inconnue
|de=Geheimdungeon
|it=Grotta Ignota
|pt_br=Calabouço Desconhecido
|es=Mazmorra Rara
}}
|}

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