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List of disputed and unidentified Pokémon

2014-07-06T20:28:52Z

Enchantzii: /* In the anime */

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{{Fan speculation}}
Over the course of the Pokémon series, a number of creatures with traits of Pokémon have appeared. Their status as Pokémon is often disputed.
==List of disputed Pokémon==
===In the games===
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Egg and Chick
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc= In Pokémon Red and Green there is [[List of items by index number (Generation I)#Invalid items (adjacent names)|unused text]] for extra badges, "Egg" and "Chick", "Bronze" "Silver" and "Gold", and what appears to be the names of unused Trainer classes. These strings are defined in the ROM directly after floor names, which follow on from item names, meaning that the unused text can be forced as glitch items. The text remains untranslated in the localised Red and Blue, and Egg and Chick are kept with the names "たまご" and "ひよこ" respectively. This results in illegible text in the English versions, because the character table for the localised [[Generation I]] games is incompatible with Red and Green. It is unknown what "Egg" and "Chick" would have referred to, or whether the concept was a precursor to [[Pokémon Egg]]s. The text matches early [[Capsule Monsters]] artwork in which an unknown creature can be seen fleeing from an egg. The concept may also be reminiscent of the {{wb|List of recovery items in EarthBound#Fresh egg|Fresh egg}} and {{wb|List of recovery items in EarthBound#Chick|Chick}} items in {{wb|EarthBound}}, in which the player would keep the Egg until it hatched into a Chick, and then raise the {{wb|List of recovery items in EarthBound#Chicken|Chicken}} and eventually sell it. EarthBound was a game that {{wb|Ape Inc.}} developed; the company that eventually became [[Creatures, Inc.]] }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shellder's gastropod evolutions
|type1=Water
|img=080Slowbro.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Versions
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Versions
|desc=[[File:199Slowking.png|right|130px]][[File:090Shellder.png|right|90px]]{{main|Shellder (Pokémon)}} {{main|Slowbro (Pokémon)}} {{main|Slowking (Pokémon)}} 
In the anime, Shellder is required to evolve Slowpoke into Slowbro or Slowking. Shellder clamps onto a Slowpoke's tail to evolve into Slowbro, or onto its head while wearing the [[King's Rock]] to evolve into a Slowking. Even though Shellder changes form drastically when it bonds with Slowpoke to evolve, it is not considered an evolution in and of itself.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Baby Kangaskhan
|type1=Normal
|img=Baby Kangaskhan.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Versions
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Versions
|desc=[[File:115Kangaskhan.png|right|130px]]{{main|Kangaskhan (Pokémon)}} 
Kangaskhan carries around a little blue baby Kangaskhan in their pouch. The baby Kangaskhan lacks the ridges and patches on its mother’s body, and its small fangs are not visible outside of its mouth. Even with the advent of {{pkmn|breeding}} and [[baby Pokémon]], the baby Kangaskhan has yet to be made into a separate Pokémon, and as a result, all Kangaskhan are born with a baby already in its pouch. As part of Kangaskhan's [[Mega Evolution]], however, the baby is capable of {{a|Parental Bond|fighting alongside its mother}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed dead Pokémon
|type1=Dark
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White Versions
|epname=Pokémon Black and White Versions
|desc=[[File:629Vullaby.png|right|120px]][[File:630Mandibuzz.png|right|130px]]{{main|Vullaby (Pokémon)}} {{main|Mandibuzz (Pokémon)}} 
According to interviews with [[Ken Sugimori]] in ''Nintendo Dream'', the bones that Vullaby and Mandibuzz wear are those of other Pokémon. However, it is not stated which Pokémon they are from, and as the skeletal systems for the majority of Pokémon have yet to be revealed, it is unknown if they are meant to be the bones of a specific Pokémon. However, the skull that Vullaby wears as a diaper is similar to a human skull, which may indicate that the bones are from a Pokémon in the {{egg3|Human-Like}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Original Reshiram/Zekrom
|type1=Dragon
|img=Reshiram Zekrom artwork.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White Versions
|epname=Pokémon Black and White Versions
|desc=[[File:646Kyurem.png|right|140px]]{{main|Reshiram (Pokémon)}} {{main|Zekrom (Pokémon)}} {{main|Kyurem (Pokémon)}} {{main|Tao trio}} 
The origins of Zekrom and Reshiram are told in legends, as they were once a single powerful Dragon Pokémon used by twin heroes in order to create the Unova region. But the brothers each sought something different in life—truth for the older brother and ideals for the younger—and they began to argue, then fight, over who's side was right. The single dragon, in response, split into two Pokémon: Reshiram, who sided with the older twin, and Zekrom, who sided with the younger twin. 
It is possible that {{p|Kyurem}} is what is left of the original dragon Pokémon, this being confirmed by [[Ghetsis]] in {{2v2|Black|White|2}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Original Genesect
|type1=Bug
|img=Genesect fossil.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White Versions
|epname=Pokémon Black and White Versions
|desc=[[File:649Genesect.png|right|130px]]{{main|Genesect (Pokémon)}} 
While Genesect is a cyborg Pokémon, it did not previously take this form. The modern Genesect was revived by [[Team Plasma]] from a [[fossil]] of this Pokémon, and modified into its present appearance. According to Genesect's Pokédex entries, it existed over 300 million years ago, and was feared as a powerful hunter. Due to its lack of Team Plasma alterations, it is unlikely that it would have been part {{type|Steel}}, nor would it have access to {{m|Techno Blast}} or similar moves.

In ''[[M16|Genesect and the Legend Awakened]]'' and its [[Genesect and the Legend Awakened (manga)|manga adaptation]], fossilized parts of the original Genesect's body are seen. These fossils bear a great similarity to the bodily structure of the modern Genesect. However, these fossils have not yet been seen anywhere outside of the {{pkmn|anime}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed TCG creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Mysterious TCGO silhouette.png|30px"
|epnum=Pokémon Trading Card Game Online
|epname=Pokémon Trading Card Game Online
|desc=A silhouette possibly of a Pokémon was discovered while rummaging through coding of the recently launched Trading Card Game Online. This silhouette was discovered in the navigation bar on the game's tutorial page, combined with images of the Unova starter Pokémon. No additional information on the silhouette was contained in the source code of the tutorial's Flash file. [http://web.archive.org/web/20111018032550/http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/12588/tcg-online-silhouette-confirmed-to-not-be-a-new-pokemon According to Serena Robar], a community manager for The Pokémon Company International, it is not a new Pokémon, but is actually just a placeholder image that wasn't removed after the code was decompiled.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dark Rust
|type1=Unknown
|img=Dark Rust.png
|epnum=Pokémon Rumble Blast
|epname=Pokémon Rumble Blast
|desc={{main|Dark Rust}} 
Dark Rust is a living [[Wonder Key]] and the commander of the Rust Army in {{g|Rumble Blast}}. It can be fought in the fifth and final chamber of the Team Battle in [[World Axle - Deepest Level]]. Although Dark Rust is not considered to be a real Pokémon, it actually has its own [[cry]].}}

===In the anime===
{{TrainerPoké
|nick="Venustoise"
|type1=Water
|type2=Grass
|img=Venustoise.png
|epnum=EP020
|epname=The Ghost of Maiden's Peak
|desc=[[File:009Blastoise.png|right|120px]][[File:003Venusaur.png|right|140px]]In ''[[EP020|The Ghost of Maiden's Peak]]'', a {{p|Gastly}} with the ability to create illusions solid enough to attack people created a crossbreed of a {{p|Blastoise}} and a {{p|Venusaur}}, calling it a "Venustoise" (Japanese: フシギックス ''Fushigix'').}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed bear
|type1=Unknown
|type2=Normal
|img=Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon Artifact.png
|epnum=EP072
|epname=The Puzzle of Pokémopolis
|desc=The only known information about this creature is from its brief appearance in ''[[EP072|The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis]]''. It seems to be a bear with decorative markings covering its body. Since markings like this are also present on the other Pokémopolis Pokémon featured in the episode like {{p|Gengar}} and {{p|Alakazam}}, it is unlikely to have been a normal feature.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed arachnid
|type1=Bug
|img=Unknown Arachnid.png
|epnum=EP138
|epname=The Superhero Secret
|desc=This creature made its sole appearance in ''[[EP138|The Superhero Secret]]''. It seems to be a giant yellow spider, with four red compound eyes, two antennae on its head, and a mouth with four large fangs. Its thorax has eight long, brown legs. Its abdomen is much larger relative to the rest of it body, with two thin, black stripes. Its cry is a screech, not unlike {{p|Victreebel}}'s. The nature of its appearance (in a Gligarman movie) would appear to indicate it may be a fictional monster or Pokémon, and whether it is supposed to be portrayed by a real Pokémon, a mecha, or simply special effects is unclear, though its movements and cry give it an extremely organic appearance. Due to its rather early appearance in the Johto series of the anime, it is unlikely to have been intended to be in the games, and can be considered to be an anime-exclusive creature.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed fish
|type1=Water
|type2=Rock
|img=Kabutops Fish Statue.png
|epnum=EP163
|epname=Fossil Fools
|desc=[[File:SuperRodNeoGenesis103.jpg|right|130px]]This is the only representation, albeit in statue form, of the aquatic life that {{p|Kabutops}} is said to have feasted on in most [[Kabutops (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries 2|Pokédex entries]] since {{game|Red and Blue|s}}.

It bears some similarity to the silhouette on the [[Neo Genesis]] card ''{{TCG ID|Neo Genesis|Super Rod|103}}''.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Recurring fossil/artifact
|type1=Ground
|type2=Psychic
|img=Recurring Clay Pokemon.png
|epnum=EP163
|epname=Fossil Fools
|desc=[[File:343Baltoy.png|right|120px]][[File:344Claydol.png|right|130px]]This clay artifact that looks like a Pokémon appeared in ''[[EP163|Fossil Fools]]'' and then again over 9 and a half years later in ''[[DP181|Bucking the Treasure Trend!]]''. [[Professor Oak]] descibes it as an "ancient Pokémon [[fossil]] [or] artifact". 
It is similar to the Clay Doll Pokémon {{p|Baltoy}} and {{p|Claydol}} and thus may have been based on ''{{wp|Dogū|shakōki-dogū}}'', clay figurines from the {{wp|Jōmon period}} of Japanese history.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unidentified Unown
|type1=Psychic
|img=Composite Unreleased Unown.png
|epnum=M03
|epname=Spell of the Unown
|desc={{main|Unown (Pokémon)}} 
Unreleased Unown seen on Professor Oak's computer. Due to the introduction of two additional Unown forms in [[Generation III]], some fans have speculated that these may have been very early prototypes for new forms of {{p|Unown}}. Some of the Unown resemble various Cyrillic and Russian letters, namely {{wp|Я}}, {{wp|Ω}}, {{wp|Σ}}, {{wp|б}}, {{wp|Д}}, {{wp|ω}}, {{wp|Π}}, and {{wp|σ}}.
<gallery>
File:Unreleased Unown 1.png
File:Unreleased Unown 2.png
File:Unreleased Unown 3.png
File:Unreleased Unown 4.png
</gallery>
}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed fairy
|type1=Bug
|type2=Grass
|img=Unnamed fairy.png
|epnum=M03
|epname=Spell of the Unown
|desc=[[File:267Beautifly.png|right|120px]]An unnamed fairy was seen in [[Molly Hale]]'s book of Legendary Pokémon in ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown]]''. It has some similarity to {{p|Beautifly}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed sun
|type1=Fire
|img=Unnamed sun.png
|epnum=M03
|epname=Spell of the Unown
|desc=An unnamed sun was seen in [[Molly Hale]]'s book of Legendary Pokémon in ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown]]''.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed monster
|type1=Dark
|img=Alto Mare entity.png
|epnum=M05
|epname=Pokémon Heroes
|desc=An evil monster that attacked the city of [[Alto Mare]] was seen in the Japanese version of ''[[M05|Pokémon Heroes]]''. The storybook-style segment of the movie, which told the story of the origin of the [[Soul Dew]] and Alto Mare's ancient history, was completely cut from the dub.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Mismagius-Rayquaza fusion
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Dragon
|img=Magquaza.png
|epnum=DP043
|epname=Malice In Wonderland!
|desc=[[File:429Mismagius.png|right|140px]]In ''[[DP043|Malice In Wonderland!]]'', a wild {{p|Mismagius}} created an illusory {{p|Rayquaza}} belonging to the fake [[Cynthia]]. When {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} discovered that it was all just an illusion, it combined itself with its Rayquaza illusion.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Cat Creature
|type1=Rock
|img=Pokemon-Origin-Anime-Announce.jpeg
|epnum=1
|epname=Pokemon Origins
|desc=[[File:Pokemon-Origin-Anime-Announce.jpeg|right|140px]]In ''[[01|Pokemon Origins]]'', An unknown cat-like creature with wings appears briefly in Brock's gym during the first episode of Pokémon Origins.}}

===In the manga===
====In the [[Magical Pokémon Journey]] manga====
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Marin
|type1=Unknown
|img=PPP18.png
|epnum=PPP18
|epname=The Best Gift Ever
|desc='''Marin''' is a Pokémon appearing in the [[Magical Pokémon Journey]] manga. It appears only on the title page of ''[[PPP18|The Best Gift Ever]]''. According to commentary by [[Yumi Tsukirino]], Marin was designed by a fan in a "draw {{MPJ|Pikachu}}'s friend" contest in Japan.

In the magazine version, in which the cover page is presented in colour, Marin's body is shown to be entirely blue.}}

====In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga====
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Thu-Fi-Zer
|type1=Unknown
|type2=Flying
|img=Thu-Fi-Zer.png
|epnum=PS033
|epname=The Winged Legends
|desc={{main|Thu-Fi-Zer}} 
'''Thu-Fi-Zer''' (サ・ファイ・ザー ''Thu-Fi-Zer'') was the result of a [[Team Rocket]] experiment created by fusing the three [[legendary birds]]—{{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}}—in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] {{pkmn|manga}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed Dialga/Palkia statue
|type1=Dragon
|img=Dialkia statue.png
|epnum=PS346
|epname=Ring Around the Roserade I
|desc=[[File:483Dialga.png|right|130px]][[File:484Palkia.png|right|120px]]{{main|Dialga (Pokémon)}} {{main|Palkia (Pokémon)}} 
In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] {{pkmn|manga}} the statue in [[Eterna City]] is neither Dialga or Palkia but a combination of the two statues. This is a reflection of the statue's appearance in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} and {{game|Platinum}} being ambiguously shaped in order to represent a different member of the duo in each game.}}

====In the [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]] manga====
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Red's unnamed Pokémon
|type1=Bug
|img=Red unnamed Bug Pokémon PM.png
|epnum=PM002
|epname=The Big Battle In The Viridian Forest!!
|desc=This unknown {{type|Bug}} Pokémon was captured by {{OBP|Red|Pocket Monsters}} in ''[[PM002|The Big Battle In The Viridian Forest!!]]''. It was his second Pokémon, after Clefairy. Other than the fact that it is a Bug-type, the only other thing known about this Pokémon is that it is supposedly very weak. It escaped from its Poké Ball in the same chapter.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Three-eyed Persian
|type1=Normal
|img=Three eyed Persian.png
|epnum=PM002
|epname=The Big Battle In The Viridian Forest!!
|desc=[[File:053Persian.png|130px|right]]{{main|Persian (Pokémon)}} 
A Persian with a third eye in the place where its gem would normally be appeared in ''[[PM002|The Big Battle In The Viridian Forest!!]]''.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Brock's Pokémon collection
|gender=Unknown
|type1=Unknown
|img=Brock Pokémon PPM.png
|epnum=PM003
|epname=Bring Down the Powerful Opponent Onix!!
|desc=[[Brock]] is shown with a large Pokémon collection at the [[Pewter Gym]]. Many of them are not identifiable as currently known Pokémon. One of them on the top left shelf resembles the [[#Red's unnamed Pokémon|unnamed Bug-type Pokémon]] encountered by Red earlier in the manga.}}

===Other===
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=MechaMew2
|type1=Steel
|img=MM2Card.png
|epnum=Pokémon Live!
|epname=Pokémon Live!
|desc={{main|MechaMew2}} [[File:MechaMew2.png|right|120px]] '''MechaMew2''' is a Robotic {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} seen only in ''[[Pokémon Live!]]''. It is considered by its creator [[Giovanni]] to be the most powerful Pokémon in existence. Giovanni promised {{pkmn|Trainer}}s the very rare Diamond Badge to anyone who could defeat it. MechaMew2 is based on {{p|Mewtwo}}, another Pokémon whose creation was ordered by Giovanni. It destroys itself at the end of the show after learning an attack of love, caring, and friendship.}}

==Related articles==
* [[Animals in the Pokémon world]]
* [[Prototype Pokémon and characters]]

[[Category:Pokémon world]]

Talk:List of disputed and unidentified Pokémon

2014-06-30T11:36:23Z

Enchantzii: /* Unknown Creature In Pokemon Origins? */

==How about==
Mainspacing? :) ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 07:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
===Braw===
I think it could be mainspaced. Also, I want to say thanks, you've really improved this page with your edits! '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

===Awrite, but...===
Most of things here aren't even supposed to be Pokemon. Come on, adding here every single statue? For instance, those Dragon-like statue merely represent Dragon-types. They aren't supposed to be a depiction of any specific living Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:I agree with this, the statues are just abstract representations, not claiming to be anything else and not disputed by anyone.''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
::Furthermore, I'd also remove the fairy (it's humanoid, how could this be a Pokemon? Also, it's from a fairy tale, it's not even a real thing. Its similarity to Beautifly is nothing but opinionated fanwank) and the sun (it's not even supposed to be the living thing. It's just... a sun, just artistically represented. The simialrity to Solrock is superficial and based on colors only. When you look closer, you'll see that it's flowery in design). I think that Vuvuzela is really trying too hard on some things (no offense, of course). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I agree that the relation to Solrock and Beautifly are unsubstantiated and irrelevant, there's no way Nintendo would be using [[M03]] as a place to debut 'prototype' third generation Pokemon. However they are justified in a section entitled 'Disputed Pokemon' as they were featured in a book of Legendary Pokemon within the movie. Also humanoid is no proof - See: [[Jynx]], [[Hitmonchan]], [[Mr. Mime]], to name a few. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

===As good as Gary Glitter===

:My pleasure ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

==Honoguma==
It is in fact much *less* likely to be Honoguma if it was revealed around the same time because early prototypes and final prototypes would never get released at the same time, that would be like releasing a prototype Pokemon and the final version simultaneously. It is vastly more likely to be related to Teddiursa as it was released around the same time as the development of Gold and Silver. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:The bear has a much stronger resemblace to Honoguma than Teddiursa, hence why the picture is there, for comparision. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::The bear does not have a much stronger resemblace to Honoguma than Teddiursa. It seems obvious that Teddiursa and the artifact are vastly similar, ears, colour, face etc, while Honoguma has none of these similarities, only 'bear' in its name. Plus as I said before it is just speculation that there is any prototypical link, because early prototypes and final prototypes would never get released at the same time. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Bug Type ==

This (http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/newpoke.jpg) is a pokémon caught in the Pocket Monster manga, see info here: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/characters_pokemon.html
It should be added. --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 12:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:Hmm, I'm not sure if it belongs here, since there is no disputing that is ''is'' a Pokemon, just a manga-exclusive one. I will add it for now, but I really think this deserves its own page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:26, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== More Manga-exclusives ==

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/09_fake_pokemon.jpg

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/14_blue_collection.jpg

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/05_takeshi_pokemon.jpg

Can someone with knowledge of Japanese confirm that these are supposed to be Pokemon, and not toys or something... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:The first are mentioned by Bill to be nothing but toys (although he was trying to breed artificial Pokemon that look like this), the second picture are Blue's toys (among them is one of Anakubo's cats - Chinmi. Chinmi and Aiya make cameo appearances in the comics pretty often). The third picture is Brock's collection (yeah, some living Pokemon finally). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:59, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== Beast Trio Origin ==
Entei, Suicune, and Raikou were created from three Pokémon that died when the tower in Ecruteak burned down. It's never explicitly stated what Pokémon died, so I think we could add them to the page. [[User:JesusofSuburbia|JesusofSuburbia]] 23:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

== Unknown Creature In Pokemon Origins? ==

I've searched around the internet a couple times, and there is absolutely no information whatsoever on this strange statue in Brock's Gym, featured only in Pokemon Origins. The design is very simple - a cat-like creature with wings. Should it be added to this page?

You can spot it behind the Charmander -

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7jIf0JG7PzU/UlVoglzojsI/AAAAAAAAFJg/e9Es196b9yA/s1600/Pokemon-Origin-Anime-Announce.jpg

[[User:Enchantzii|Enchantzii]] ([[User talk:Enchantzii|talk]]) 00:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Talk:List of disputed and unidentified Pokémon

2014-06-30T00:14:10Z

Enchantzii: /* Unknown Creature In Pokemon Origins? */

==How about==
Mainspacing? :) ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 07:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
===Braw===
I think it could be mainspaced. Also, I want to say thanks, you've really improved this page with your edits! '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

===Awrite, but...===
Most of things here aren't even supposed to be Pokemon. Come on, adding here every single statue? For instance, those Dragon-like statue merely represent Dragon-types. They aren't supposed to be a depiction of any specific living Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:I agree with this, the statues are just abstract representations, not claiming to be anything else and not disputed by anyone.''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
::Furthermore, I'd also remove the fairy (it's humanoid, how could this be a Pokemon? Also, it's from a fairy tale, it's not even a real thing. Its similarity to Beautifly is nothing but opinionated fanwank) and the sun (it's not even supposed to be the living thing. It's just... a sun, just artistically represented. The simialrity to Solrock is superficial and based on colors only. When you look closer, you'll see that it's flowery in design). I think that Vuvuzela is really trying too hard on some things (no offense, of course). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I agree that the relation to Solrock and Beautifly are unsubstantiated and irrelevant, there's no way Nintendo would be using [[M03]] as a place to debut 'prototype' third generation Pokemon. However they are justified in a section entitled 'Disputed Pokemon' as they were featured in a book of Legendary Pokemon within the movie. Also humanoid is no proof - See: [[Jynx]], [[Hitmonchan]], [[Mr. Mime]], to name a few. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

===As good as Gary Glitter===

:My pleasure ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

==Honoguma==
It is in fact much *less* likely to be Honoguma if it was revealed around the same time because early prototypes and final prototypes would never get released at the same time, that would be like releasing a prototype Pokemon and the final version simultaneously. It is vastly more likely to be related to Teddiursa as it was released around the same time as the development of Gold and Silver. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:The bear has a much stronger resemblace to Honoguma than Teddiursa, hence why the picture is there, for comparision. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::The bear does not have a much stronger resemblace to Honoguma than Teddiursa. It seems obvious that Teddiursa and the artifact are vastly similar, ears, colour, face etc, while Honoguma has none of these similarities, only 'bear' in its name. Plus as I said before it is just speculation that there is any prototypical link, because early prototypes and final prototypes would never get released at the same time. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Bug Type ==

This (http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/newpoke.jpg) is a pokémon caught in the Pocket Monster manga, see info here: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/characters_pokemon.html
It should be added. --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 12:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:Hmm, I'm not sure if it belongs here, since there is no disputing that is ''is'' a Pokemon, just a manga-exclusive one. I will add it for now, but I really think this deserves its own page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:26, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== More Manga-exclusives ==

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/09_fake_pokemon.jpg

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/14_blue_collection.jpg

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/05_takeshi_pokemon.jpg

Can someone with knowledge of Japanese confirm that these are supposed to be Pokemon, and not toys or something... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:The first are mentioned by Bill to be nothing but toys (although he was trying to breed artificial Pokemon that look like this), the second picture are Blue's toys (among them is one of Anakubo's cats - Chinmi. Chinmi and Aiya make cameo appearances in the comics pretty often). The third picture is Brock's collection (yeah, some living Pokemon finally). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:59, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== Beast Trio Origin ==
Entei, Suicune, and Raikou were created from three Pokémon that died when the tower in Ecruteak burned down. It's never explicitly stated what Pokémon died, so I think we could add them to the page. [[User:JesusofSuburbia|JesusofSuburbia]] 23:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

== Unknown Creature In Pokemon Origins? ==

I've searched around the internet a couple times, and there is absolutely no information whatsoever on this strange statue in Brock's Gym, featured only in Pokemon Origins. The design is very simple - a cat-like creature with wings. Should it be added to this page?

You can find a picture of it through this link (located behind the Charmander) -

https://www.google.com/search?q=pokemon+origins+brock%27s+gym&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS517US517&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wamwU_2eNcy1yASGs4CgDw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw&biw=1366&bih=667#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=QpVEj6WvEpawIM%253A%3BHnDRTcJrycvFnM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F4.bp.blogspot.com%252F-7jIf0JG7PzU%252FUlVoglzojsI%252FAAAAAAAAFJg%252Fe9Es196b9yA%252Fs1600%252FPokemon-Origin-Anime-Announce.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fie001.blogspot.com%252F2013%252F10%252Fpokemon-origins-blast-from-past.html%3B600%3B337

[[User:Enchantzii|Enchantzii]] ([[User talk:Enchantzii|talk]]) 00:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Talk:List of disputed and unidentified Pokémon

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Enchantzii: /* Unknown Creature In Pokemon Origins? */ new section

==How about==
Mainspacing? :) ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 07:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
===Braw===
I think it could be mainspaced. Also, I want to say thanks, you've really improved this page with your edits! '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

===Awrite, but...===
Most of things here aren't even supposed to be Pokemon. Come on, adding here every single statue? For instance, those Dragon-like statue merely represent Dragon-types. They aren't supposed to be a depiction of any specific living Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:I agree with this, the statues are just abstract representations, not claiming to be anything else and not disputed by anyone.''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
::Furthermore, I'd also remove the fairy (it's humanoid, how could this be a Pokemon? Also, it's from a fairy tale, it's not even a real thing. Its similarity to Beautifly is nothing but opinionated fanwank) and the sun (it's not even supposed to be the living thing. It's just... a sun, just artistically represented. The simialrity to Solrock is superficial and based on colors only. When you look closer, you'll see that it's flowery in design). I think that Vuvuzela is really trying too hard on some things (no offense, of course). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I agree that the relation to Solrock and Beautifly are unsubstantiated and irrelevant, there's no way Nintendo would be using [[M03]] as a place to debut 'prototype' third generation Pokemon. However they are justified in a section entitled 'Disputed Pokemon' as they were featured in a book of Legendary Pokemon within the movie. Also humanoid is no proof - See: [[Jynx]], [[Hitmonchan]], [[Mr. Mime]], to name a few. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

===As good as Gary Glitter===

:My pleasure ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

==Honoguma==
It is in fact much *less* likely to be Honoguma if it was revealed around the same time because early prototypes and final prototypes would never get released at the same time, that would be like releasing a prototype Pokemon and the final version simultaneously. It is vastly more likely to be related to Teddiursa as it was released around the same time as the development of Gold and Silver. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:The bear has a much stronger resemblace to Honoguma than Teddiursa, hence why the picture is there, for comparision. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::The bear does not have a much stronger resemblace to Honoguma than Teddiursa. It seems obvious that Teddiursa and the artifact are vastly similar, ears, colour, face etc, while Honoguma has none of these similarities, only 'bear' in its name. Plus as I said before it is just speculation that there is any prototypical link, because early prototypes and final prototypes would never get released at the same time. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Bug Type ==

This (http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/newpoke.jpg) is a pokémon caught in the Pocket Monster manga, see info here: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/characters_pokemon.html
It should be added. --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 12:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:Hmm, I'm not sure if it belongs here, since there is no disputing that is ''is'' a Pokemon, just a manga-exclusive one. I will add it for now, but I really think this deserves its own page. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:26, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== More Manga-exclusives ==

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/09_fake_pokemon.jpg

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/14_blue_collection.jpg

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/05_takeshi_pokemon.jpg

Can someone with knowledge of Japanese confirm that these are supposed to be Pokemon, and not toys or something... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:The first are mentioned by Bill to be nothing but toys (although he was trying to breed artificial Pokemon that look like this), the second picture are Blue's toys (among them is one of Anakubo's cats - Chinmi. Chinmi and Aiya make cameo appearances in the comics pretty often). The third picture is Brock's collection (yeah, some living Pokemon finally). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:59, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== Beast Trio Origin ==
Entei, Suicune, and Raikou were created from three Pokémon that died when the tower in Ecruteak burned down. It's never explicitly stated what Pokémon died, so I think we could add them to the page. [[User:JesusofSuburbia|JesusofSuburbia]] 23:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

== Unknown Creature In Pokemon Origins? ==

I've searched around the internet a couple times, and there is absolutely no information whatsoever on this strange statue in Brock's Gym, featured only in Pokemon Origins. The design is very simple - a cat-like creature with wings. Should it be added to this page?

You can find a picture of it through this link (located behind the Charmander) -

https://www.google.com/search?q=pokemon+origins+brock%27s+gym&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS517US517&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wamwU_2eNcy1yASGs4CgDw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw&biw=1366&bih=667#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=QpVEj6WvEpawIM%253A%3BHnDRTcJrycvFnM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F4.bp.blogspot.com%252F-7jIf0JG7PzU%252FUlVoglzojsI%252FAAAAAAAAFJg%252Fe9Es196b9yA%252Fs1600%252FPokemon-Origin-Anime-Announce.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fie001.blogspot.com%252F2013%252F10%252Fpokemon-origins-blast-from-past.html%3B600%3B337

[[User:Enchantzii|Enchantzii]] ([[User talk:Enchantzii|talk]]) 00:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)