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Talk:Wallace

2015-02-12T03:08:28Z

DragonLordZero: /* quotes */

== Richard (Pokémon Adventures) ==

In Japanese, Wallace's Sealeo is named リチャード (Richard). In the Chuang Yi translations, it keeps the name Richard. Where is the word Francoise? May I remove it? [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 20:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
:There was something about his Pokemon nicknames being different between the magazine and tankobon version in Japanese. But I don't recall everything. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
::The tankobon and the official site have it's name as Richard, so I'll change it. Thank you, Maxim. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 21:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

''"While Wallace's hair, cape and top half of his clothing are colored teal in his official Sugimori artwork, Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 sprites, and the anime, they are colored blue in his Generation III game sprites and the manga."''
Is this trivia, or any kind of trivia like this, really needed? The sprites aren't going to have the exact same coloration as the artwork. I've looked at a lot of Hoenn characters who wear blue(Winona)/have bluish hair ( Steven, Brawly) and it seems that the blue thay wear is a bit more teal-ish in their Generation V sprites. I've noticed it, but I just don't think it's mentionable.[[User:Unsuspectingfool|uNsUsPeCtInG fOoL]] ([[User talk:Unsuspectingfool|talk]]) 23:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:I think it's pretty unnotable, especially since sprites tend to vary from game to game. That's the reason we tend to avoid sprite trivia. I'm all for removing this trivia. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
==quotes==

we havent got the quotes after the master rank contest with him and lisia
(thegrassmaster)[[User:Thegrassmaster|Thegrassmaster]] ([[User talk:Thegrassmaster|talk]]) 10:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:I've the go the quotes, just not entirely sure how to put them in. I can try adding them to the quotes section, just not sure if I should make a new category after Delta Episode, seeing as this is supposed to take place after that. [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:Actually, adding this in is a lot more complicated than I thought. Help? [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:23, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::If it's a concern, just add it on here and I'll help transfer it over to the main page. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you! Here goes nothing...

:::Lisia: "Yaaay!"
:::"Finally, we all got to appear together!"
:::"<player>! Let me introduce you! This is my uncle, Wallace."
:::"Uncle Wallace, this is the girl/boy I was telling you about!"

:::Wallace: "No inductions necessary, Lisia."
:::"I would say that <player> and I… know each other quite well already."

:::Lisia: "Huh? You do?"
:::"Oh! I get it! You ARE a Gym Leader after all, Uncle Wallace."
:::"So you guys battled before?"

:::Wallace: "S/He defeated me when we battled."
:::"And if that were not enough, s/he is a great Trainer who carried out splendid deeds for Hoenn."
:::"That is who <player> is."
:::"You appear to be well."
:::"Lisia has been so enraptured by the contest spectacles that I felt compelled to see them for myself."
:::"It has been many years since I last took part in the likes of a contest…"
:::"And here I find you once more."
:::"It is not only in my own Gym that you have defeated me, but you have bested me in contests as well."
:::"It seems I still have much to learn…"

:::Lisia: "Never mind, Uncle Wall!"
:::"We had fun and that’s what matters!"

:::Wallace: "I suppose you’re right."
:::"<player>, I’m sure you’ve grown to understand this already."
:::"No matter whether you stand in a Pokemon Gym or a Contest Hall, a Trainer who holds to her/his belief in the Pokemon beside her/him…"
:::"The Pokemon that battles on, believing in the Trainer with whom it stands together…"
:::"The settings may differ, but their labors come to fruition in a way that honors their bond! There is equal beauty in both!"

:::Lisia: "That’s a lovely thought, Uncle Wall."
:::"Really wonderful!"

:::Wallace: "Yes…"
:::"And confoundingly elegant!"

:::Lisia: "And so very, very…"

:::Lisia & Wallace (together): "…Glorious!"

:::Wallace: "You two have shown yourselves to be fine Trainers, with bright futures ahead of you."

:::---
:::Lissia, if spoken to after:
:::"Sup?"
::: '''Tell me about Wallace.'''
:::"Oh, yeah, you battled Uncle Wall, right?"
:::"Is he really as strong as they say?"
:::"All his friends seem to be super-strong Trainers, too."
:::"Like that one guy obsessed with stones, or that Trainer that looks like a star…"
:::"Hmm. And you still beat him. I guess that means that… You really are amazing, <player>!"

::: '''So about these contests…'''
:::"Yeah, it was because I saw my uncle doing contests that I decided to try, too."
:::"He’s my mentor. He taught me all about competing in contests!"
:::"And Uncle Wall has a mentor of his own, named Jaun…"
:::"I wonder if someone will ever look up to me as a mentor. Who knows?"

:::''After exhausting both options:'' "Today’s contest sure was fun!"

:::Wallace, if spoken to after:
:::"What is it?"
::: '''Tell me about Lisia.'''
:::"Lisia is the daughter of my elder sister and does not live in Sootopolis any longer."
:::"She was tucked safely away during that infamous incident, so she would probably be quite shocked to learn your part in it."

::: '''So you did contests?'''
:::"Yes, I once tried my hand at contests."
:::"But Lisia has a natural talent for them that greatly surpasses mine."
:::"She became an idol almost overnight."
:::"As a result, I was able to apply myself fully to my role as Gym Leader."
:::"After this, I almost feel as though I should give contests another try."
:::"Or perhaps I should steal the title of Pokemon League Champion from you. That could be quite amusing…"

:::''After exhausting both options:'' "I imagine Steven must be gnashing his teeth over missing today’s Contest Spectacular."

:::[[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh wow, that's a lot haha. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::How exactly does this trigger? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:58, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::After you've already obtained the Lucarionite, if you enter a Master Beauty Contest, Wallace and Lisia will participate.
::::::You get this version of the conversation after you win. I'm not sure if it takes place after the Delta Episode, but Wallace's mention of stealing the Champion title from the player would suggest this.
::::::There is a variant for when you lose, but I can't find it online. Sorry.[[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 03:07, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Wallace

2015-02-12T03:07:44Z

DragonLordZero: /* quotes */

== Richard (Pokémon Adventures) ==

In Japanese, Wallace's Sealeo is named リチャード (Richard). In the Chuang Yi translations, it keeps the name Richard. Where is the word Francoise? May I remove it? [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 20:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
:There was something about his Pokemon nicknames being different between the magazine and tankobon version in Japanese. But I don't recall everything. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
::The tankobon and the official site have it's name as Richard, so I'll change it. Thank you, Maxim. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 21:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

''"While Wallace's hair, cape and top half of his clothing are colored teal in his official Sugimori artwork, Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 sprites, and the anime, they are colored blue in his Generation III game sprites and the manga."''
Is this trivia, or any kind of trivia like this, really needed? The sprites aren't going to have the exact same coloration as the artwork. I've looked at a lot of Hoenn characters who wear blue(Winona)/have bluish hair ( Steven, Brawly) and it seems that the blue thay wear is a bit more teal-ish in their Generation V sprites. I've noticed it, but I just don't think it's mentionable.[[User:Unsuspectingfool|uNsUsPeCtInG fOoL]] ([[User talk:Unsuspectingfool|talk]]) 23:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:I think it's pretty unnotable, especially since sprites tend to vary from game to game. That's the reason we tend to avoid sprite trivia. I'm all for removing this trivia. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
==quotes==

we havent got the quotes after the master rank contest with him and lisia
(thegrassmaster)[[User:Thegrassmaster|Thegrassmaster]] ([[User talk:Thegrassmaster|talk]]) 10:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:I've the go the quotes, just not entirely sure how to put them in. I can try adding them to the quotes section, just not sure if I should make a new category after Delta Episode, seeing as this is supposed to take place after that. [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:Actually, adding this in is a lot more complicated than I thought. Help? [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:23, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::If it's a concern, just add it on here and I'll help transfer it over to the main page. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you! Here goes nothing...

:::Lisia: "Yaaay!"
:::"Finally, we all got to appear together!"
:::"<player>! Let me introduce you! This is my uncle, Wallace."
:::"Uncle Wallace, this is the girl/boy I was telling you about!"

:::Wallace: "No inductions necessary, Lisia."
:::"I would say that <player> and I… know each other quite well already."

:::Lisia: "Huh? You do?"
:::"Oh! I get it! You ARE a Gym Leader after all, Uncle Wallace."
:::"So you guys battled before?"

:::Wallace: "S/He defeated me when we battled."
:::"And if that were not enough, s/he is a great Trainer who carried out splendid deeds for Hoenn."
:::"That is who <player> is."
:::"You appear to be well."
:::"Lisia has been so enraptured by the contest spectacles that I felt compelled to see them for myself."
:::"It has been many years since I last took part in the likes of a contest…"
:::"And here I find you once more."
:::"It is not only in my own Gym that you have defeated me, but you have bested me in contests as well."
:::"It seems I still have much to learn…"

:::Lisia: "Never mind, Uncle Wall!"
:::"We had fun and that’s what matters!"

:::Wallace: "I suppose you’re right."
:::"<player>, I’m sure you’ve grown to understand this already."
:::"No matter whether you stand in a Pokemon Gym or a Contest Hall, a Trainer who holds to her/his belief in the Pokemon beside her/him…"
:::"The Pokemon that battles on, believing in the Trainer with whom it stands together…"
:::"The settings may differ, but their labors come to fruition in a way that honors their bond! There is equal beauty in both!"

:::Lisia: "That’s a lovely thought, Uncle Wall."
:::"Really wonderful!"

:::Wallace: "Yes…"
:::"And confoundingly elegant!"

:::Lisia: "And so very, very…"

:::Lisia & Wallace (together): "…Glorious!"

:::Wallace: "You two have shown yourselves to be fine Trainers, with bright futures ahead of you."

:::---
:::Lissia, if spoken to after:
:::"Sup?"
::: '''Tell me about Wallace.'''
:::"Oh, yeah, you battled Uncle Wall, right?"
:::"Is he really as strong as they say?"
:::"All his friends seem to be super-strong Trainers, too."
:::"Like that one guy obsessed with stones, or that Trainer that looks like a star…"
:::"Hmm. And you still beat him. I guess that means that… You really are amazing, <player>!"

::: '''So about these contests…'''
:::"Yeah, it was because I saw my uncle doing contests that I decided to try, too."
:::"He’s my mentor. He taught me all about competing in contests!"
:::"And Uncle Wall has a mentor of his own, named Jaun…"
:::"I wonder if someone will ever look up to me as a mentor. Who knows?"

:::''After exhausting both options:'' "Today’s contest sure was fun!"

:::Wallace, if spoken to after:
:::"What is it?"
::: '''Tell me about Lisia.'''
:::"Lisia is the daughter of my elder sister and does not live in Sootopolis any longer."
:::"She was tucked safely away during that infamous incident, so she would probably be quite shocked to learn your part in it."

::: '''So you did contests?'''
:::"Yes, I once tried my hand at contests."
:::"But Lisia has a natural talent for them that greatly surpasses mine."
:::"She became an idol almost overnight."
:::"As a result, I was able to apply myself fully to my role as Gym Leader."
:::"After this, I almost feel as though I should give contests another try."
:::"Or perhaps I should steal the title of Pokemon League Champion from you. That could be quite amusing…"

:::''After exhausting both options:'' "I imagine Steven must be gnashing his teeth over missing today’s Contest Spectacular."

:::[[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh wow, that's a lot haha. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::How exactly does this trigger? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:58, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::After you've already obtained the Lucarionite, if you enter a Master Beauty Contest, Wallace and Lisia will participate.
:::::You get this version of the conversation after you win. I'm not sure if it takes place after the Delta Episode, but Wallace's mention of stealing the Champion title from the player would suggest this.
:::::There is a variant for when you lose, but I can't find it online. Sorry.[[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 03:07, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Wallace

2015-02-12T03:07:00Z

DragonLordZero: /* quotes */

== Richard (Pokémon Adventures) ==

In Japanese, Wallace's Sealeo is named リチャード (Richard). In the Chuang Yi translations, it keeps the name Richard. Where is the word Francoise? May I remove it? [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 20:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
:There was something about his Pokemon nicknames being different between the magazine and tankobon version in Japanese. But I don't recall everything. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
::The tankobon and the official site have it's name as Richard, so I'll change it. Thank you, Maxim. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 21:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

''"While Wallace's hair, cape and top half of his clothing are colored teal in his official Sugimori artwork, Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 sprites, and the anime, they are colored blue in his Generation III game sprites and the manga."''
Is this trivia, or any kind of trivia like this, really needed? The sprites aren't going to have the exact same coloration as the artwork. I've looked at a lot of Hoenn characters who wear blue(Winona)/have bluish hair ( Steven, Brawly) and it seems that the blue thay wear is a bit more teal-ish in their Generation V sprites. I've noticed it, but I just don't think it's mentionable.[[User:Unsuspectingfool|uNsUsPeCtInG fOoL]] ([[User talk:Unsuspectingfool|talk]]) 23:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:I think it's pretty unnotable, especially since sprites tend to vary from game to game. That's the reason we tend to avoid sprite trivia. I'm all for removing this trivia. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
==quotes==

we havent got the quotes after the master rank contest with him and lisia
(thegrassmaster)[[User:Thegrassmaster|Thegrassmaster]] ([[User talk:Thegrassmaster|talk]]) 10:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:I've the go the quotes, just not entirely sure how to put them in. I can try adding them to the quotes section, just not sure if I should make a new category after Delta Episode, seeing as this is supposed to take place after that. [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:Actually, adding this in is a lot more complicated than I thought. Help? [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:23, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::If it's a concern, just add it on here and I'll help transfer it over to the main page. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you! Here goes nothing...

:::Lisia: "Yaaay!"
:::"Finally, we all got to appear together!"
:::"<player>! Let me introduce you! This is my uncle, Wallace."
:::"Uncle Wallace, this is the girl/boy I was telling you about!"

:::Wallace: "No inductions necessary, Lisia."
:::"I would say that <player> and I… know each other quite well already."

:::Lisia: "Huh? You do?"
:::"Oh! I get it! You ARE a Gym Leader after all, Uncle Wallace."
:::"So you guys battled before?"

:::Wallace: "S/He defeated me when we battled."
:::"And if that were not enough, s/he is a great Trainer who carried out splendid deeds for Hoenn."
:::"That is who <player> is."
:::"You appear to be well."
:::"Lisia has been so enraptured by the contest spectacles that I felt compelled to see them for myself."
:::"It has been many years since I last took part in the likes of a contest…"
:::"And here I find you once more."
:::"It is not only in my own Gym that you have defeated me, but you have bested me in contests as well."
:::"It seems I still have much to learn…"

:::Lisia: "Never mind, Uncle Wall!"
:::"We had fun and that’s what matters!"

:::Wallace: "I suppose you’re right."
:::"<player>, I’m sure you’ve grown to understand this already."
:::"No matter whether you stand in a Pokemon Gym or a Contest Hall, a Trainer who holds to her/his belief in the Pokemon beside her/him…"
:::"The Pokemon that battles on, believing in the Trainer with whom it stands together…"
:::"The settings may differ, but their labors come to fruition in a way that honors their bond! There is equal beauty in both!"

:::Lisia: "That’s a lovely thought, Uncle Wall."
:::"Really wonderful!"

:::Wallace: "Yes…"
:::"And confoundingly elegant!"

:::Lisia: "And so very, very…"

:::Lisia & Wallace (together): "…Glorious!"

:::Wallace: "You two have shown yourselves to be fine Trainers, with bright futures ahead of you."

:::---
:::Lissia, if spoken to after:
:::"Sup?"
::: '''Tell me about Wallace.'''
:::"Oh, yeah, you battled Uncle Wall, right?"
:::"Is he really as strong as they say?"
:::"All his friends seem to be super-strong Trainers, too."
:::"Like that one guy obsessed with stones, or that Trainer that looks like a star…"
:::"Hmm. And you still beat him. I guess that means that… You really are amazing, <player>!"

::: '''So about these contests…'''
:::"Yeah, it was because I saw my uncle doing contests that I decided to try, too."
:::"He’s my mentor. He taught me all about competing in contests!"
:::"And Uncle Wall has a mentor of his own, named Jaun…"
:::"I wonder if someone will ever look up to me as a mentor. Who knows?"

:::''After exhausting both options:'' "Today’s contest sure was fun!"

:::Wallace, if spoken to after:
:::"What is it?"
::: '''Tell me about Lisia.'''
:::"Lisia is the daughter of my elder sister and does not live in Sootopolis any longer."
:::"She was tucked safely away during that infamous incident, so she would probably be quite shocked to learn your part in it."

::: '''So you did contests?'''
:::"Yes, I once tried my hand at contests."
:::"But Lisia has a natural talent for them that greatly surpasses mine."
:::"She became an idol almost overnight."
:::"As a result, I was able to apply myself fully to my role as Gym Leader."
:::"After this, I almost feel as though I should give contests another try."
:::"Or perhaps I should steal the title of Pokemon League Champion from you. That could be quite amusing…"

:::''After exhausting both options:'' "I imagine Steven must be gnashing his teeth over missing today’s Contest Spectacular."

:::[[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Oh wow, that's a lot haha. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::How exactly does this trigger? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:58, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::::: After you've already obtained the Lucarionite, if you enter a Master Beauty Contest, Wallace and Lisia will participate.
You get this version of the conversation after you win. I'm not sure if it takes place after the Delta Episode, but Wallace's mention of stealing the Champion title from the player would suggest this.
::::: There is a variant for when you lose, but I can't find it online. Sorry.[[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 03:07, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Wallace

2015-02-12T02:53:13Z

DragonLordZero: /* quotes */

== Richard (Pokémon Adventures) ==

In Japanese, Wallace's Sealeo is named リチャード (Richard). In the Chuang Yi translations, it keeps the name Richard. Where is the word Francoise? May I remove it? [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 20:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
:There was something about his Pokemon nicknames being different between the magazine and tankobon version in Japanese. But I don't recall everything. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
::The tankobon and the official site have it's name as Richard, so I'll change it. Thank you, Maxim. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 21:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

''"While Wallace's hair, cape and top half of his clothing are colored teal in his official Sugimori artwork, Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 sprites, and the anime, they are colored blue in his Generation III game sprites and the manga."''
Is this trivia, or any kind of trivia like this, really needed? The sprites aren't going to have the exact same coloration as the artwork. I've looked at a lot of Hoenn characters who wear blue(Winona)/have bluish hair ( Steven, Brawly) and it seems that the blue thay wear is a bit more teal-ish in their Generation V sprites. I've noticed it, but I just don't think it's mentionable.[[User:Unsuspectingfool|uNsUsPeCtInG fOoL]] ([[User talk:Unsuspectingfool|talk]]) 23:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:I think it's pretty unnotable, especially since sprites tend to vary from game to game. That's the reason we tend to avoid sprite trivia. I'm all for removing this trivia. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
==quotes==

we havent got the quotes after the master rank contest with him and lisia
(thegrassmaster)[[User:Thegrassmaster|Thegrassmaster]] ([[User talk:Thegrassmaster|talk]]) 10:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:I've the go the quotes, just not entirely sure how to put them in. I can try adding them to the quotes section, just not sure if I should make a new category after Delta Episode, seeing as this is supposed to take place after that. [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:Actually, adding this in is a lot more complicated than I thought. Help? [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:23, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::If it's a concern, just add it on here and I'll help transfer it over to the main page. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you! Here goes nothing...

:::Lisia: "Yaaay!"
:::"Finally, we all got to appear together!"
:::"<player>! Let me introduce you! This is my uncle, Wallace."
:::"Uncle Wallace, this is the girl/boy I was telling you about!"

:::Wallace: "No inductions necessary, Lisia."
:::"I would say that <player> and I… know each other quite well already."

:::Lisia: "Huh? You do?"
:::"Oh! I get it! You ARE a Gym Leader after all, Uncle Wallace."
:::"So you guys battled before?"

:::Wallace: "S/He defeated me when we battled."
:::"And if that were not enough, s/he is a great Trainer who carried out splendid deeds for Hoenn."
:::"That is who <player> is."
:::"You appear to be well."
:::"Lisia has been so enraptured by the contest spectacles that I felt compelled to see them for myself."
:::"It has been many years since I last took part in the likes of a contest…"
:::"And here I find you once more."
:::"It is not only in my own Gym that you have defeated me, but you have bested me in contests as well."
:::"It seems I still have much to learn…"

:::Lisia: "Never mind, Uncle Wall!"
:::"We had fun and that’s what matters!"

:::Wallace: "I suppose you’re right."
:::"<player>, I’m sure you’ve grown to understand this already."
:::"No matter whether you stand in a Pokemon Gym or a Contest Hall, a Trainer who holds to her/his belief in the Pokemon beside her/him…"
:::"The Pokemon that battles on, believing in the Trainer with whom it stands together…"
:::"The settings may differ, but their labors come to fruition in a way that honors their bond! There is equal beauty in both!"

:::Lisia: "That’s a lovely thought, Uncle Wall."
:::"Really wonderful!"

:::Wallace: "Yes…"
:::"And confoundingly elegant!"

:::Lisia: "And so very, very…"

:::Lisia & Wallace (together): "…Glorious!"

:::Wallace: "You two have shown yourselves to be fine Trainers, with bright futures ahead of you."

:::---
:::Lissia, if spoken to after:
:::"Sup?"
::: '''Tell me about Wallace.'''
:::"Oh, yeah, you battled Uncle Wall, right?"
:::"Is he really as strong as they say?"
:::"All his friends seem to be super-strong Trainers, too."
:::"Like that one guy obsessed with stones, or that Trainer that looks like a star…"
:::"Hmm. And you still beat him. I guess that means that… You really are amazing, <player>!"

::: '''So about these contests…'''
:::"Yeah, it was because I saw my uncle doing contests that I decided to try, too."
:::"He’s my mentor. He taught me all about competing in contests!"
:::"And Uncle Wall has a mentor of his own, named Jaun…"
:::"I wonder if someone will ever look up to me as a mentor. Who knows?"

:::''After exhausting both options:'' "Today’s contest sure was fun!"

:::Wallace, if spoken to after:
:::"What is it?"
::: '''Tell me about Lisia.'''
:::"Lisia is the daughter of my elder sister and does not live in Sootopolis any longer."
:::"She was tucked safely away during that infamous incident, so she would probably be quite shocked to learn your part in it."

::: '''So you did contests?'''
:::"Yes, I once tried my hand at contests."
:::"But Lisia has a natural talent for them that greatly surpasses mine."
:::"She became an idol almost overnight."
:::"As a result, I was able to apply myself fully to my role as Gym Leader."
:::"After this, I almost feel as though I should give contests another try."
:::"Or perhaps I should steal the title of Pokemon League Champion from you. That could be quite amusing…"

:::''After exhausting both options:'' "I imagine Steven must be gnashing his teeth over missing today’s Contest Spectacular."

[[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:53, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Wallace

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== Richard (Pokémon Adventures) ==

In Japanese, Wallace's Sealeo is named リチャード (Richard). In the Chuang Yi translations, it keeps the name Richard. Where is the word Francoise? May I remove it? [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 20:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
:There was something about his Pokemon nicknames being different between the magazine and tankobon version in Japanese. But I don't recall everything. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
::The tankobon and the official site have it's name as Richard, so I'll change it. Thank you, Maxim. [[User talk:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[Special:Contributions/Duke R|'''®''']] 21:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

''"While Wallace's hair, cape and top half of his clothing are colored teal in his official Sugimori artwork, Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 sprites, and the anime, they are colored blue in his Generation III game sprites and the manga."''
Is this trivia, or any kind of trivia like this, really needed? The sprites aren't going to have the exact same coloration as the artwork. I've looked at a lot of Hoenn characters who wear blue(Winona)/have bluish hair ( Steven, Brawly) and it seems that the blue thay wear is a bit more teal-ish in their Generation V sprites. I've noticed it, but I just don't think it's mentionable.[[User:Unsuspectingfool|uNsUsPeCtInG fOoL]] ([[User talk:Unsuspectingfool|talk]]) 23:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:I think it's pretty unnotable, especially since sprites tend to vary from game to game. That's the reason we tend to avoid sprite trivia. I'm all for removing this trivia. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
==quotes==

we havent got the quotes after the master rank contest with him and lisia
(thegrassmaster)[[User:Thegrassmaster|Thegrassmaster]] ([[User talk:Thegrassmaster|talk]]) 10:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:I've the go the quotes, just not entirely sure how to put them in. I can try adding them to the quotes section, just not sure if I should make a new category after Delta Episode, seeing as this is supposed to take place after that. [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:Actually, adding this in is a lot more complicated than I thought. Help? [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 02:23, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
::If it's a concern, just add it on here and I'll help transfer it over to the main page. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you! Here goes nothing...

Lisia: "Yaaay!"
"Finally, we all got to appear together!"
"<player>! Let me introduce you! This is my uncle, Wallace."
"Uncle Wallace, this is the girl/boy I was telling you about!"

Wallace: "No inductions necessary, Lisia."
"I would say that <player> and I… know each other quite well already."

Lisia: "Huh? You do?"
"Oh! I get it! You ARE a Gym Leader after all, Uncle Wallace."
"So you guys battled before?"

Wallace: "S/He defeated me when we battled."
"And if that were not enough, s/he is a great Trainer who carried out splendid deeds for Hoenn."
"That is who <player> is."
"You appear to be well."
"Lisia has been so enraptured by the contest spectacles that I felt compelled to see them for myself."
"It has been many years since I last took part in the likes of a contest…"
"And here I find you once more."
"It is not only in my own Gym that you have defeated me, but you have bested me in contests as well."
"It seems I still have much to learn…"

Lisia: "Never mind, Uncle Wall!"
"We had fun and that’s what matters!"

Wallace: "I suppose you’re right."
"<player>, I’m sure you’ve grown to understand this already."
"No matter whether you stand in a Pokemon Gym or a Contest Hall, a Trainer who holds to her/his belief in the Pokemon beside her/him…"
"The Pokemon that battles on, believing in the Trainer with whom it stands together…"
"The settings may differ, but their labors come to fruition in a way that honors their bond! There is equal beauty in both!"

Lisia: "That’s a lovely thought, Uncle Wall."
"Really wonderful!"

Wallace: "Yes…"
"And confoundingly elegant!"

Lisia: "And so very, very…"

Lisia & Wallace (together): "…Glorious!"

Wallace: "You two have shown yourselves to be fine Trainers, with bright futures ahead of you."

---
Lissia, if spoken to after:
"Sup?"
'''Tell me about Wallace.'''
"Oh, yeah, you battled Uncle Wall, right?"
"Is he really as strong as they say?"
"All his friends seem to be super-strong Trainers, too."
"Like that one guy obsessed with stones, or that Trainer that looks like a star…"
"Hmm. And you still beat him. I guess that means that… You really are amazing, <player>!"

'''So about these contests…'''
"Yeah, it was because I saw my uncle doing contests that I decided to try, too."
"He’s my mentor. He taught me all about competing in contests!"
"And Uncle Wall has a mentor of his own, named Jaun…"
"I wonder if someone will ever look up to me as a mentor. Who knows?"

''After exhausting both options:'' "Today’s contest sure was fun!"

Wallace, if spoken to after:
"What is it?"
'''Tell me about Lisia.'''
"Lisia is the daughter of my elder sister and does not live in Sootopolis any longer."
"She was tucked safely away during that infamous incident, so she would probably be quite shocked to learn your part in it."

'''So you did contests?'''
"Yes, I once tried my hand at contests."
"But Lisia has a natural talent for them that greatly surpasses mine."
"She became an idol almost overnight."
"As a result, I was able to apply myself fully to my role as Gym Leader."
"After this, I almost feel as though I should give contests another try."
"Or perhaps I should steal the title of Pokemon League Champion from you. That could be quite amusing…"

''After exhausting both options:'' "I imagine Steven must be gnashing his teeth over missing today’s Contest Spectacular."

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Talk:Juan

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HIS NAME IS JUAN? What is the world coming to? Can we pleeeease keep the Japanese name on all the articles? -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 04:30, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It may not be the best name, but it does provide an alternative for those of us sick of trying to figure out exactly what his Japanese name *is*. --BJG

Ah, you mean like [[Jirarudan|Lawrence III]]. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 09:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's dirty pool. Besides, there was no debate about his name in Japanese, we just couldn't figure out where the heck his name *came* from until a few months ago--BJG.

== International Juan ==

Does anyone know the French, German, Italian and Spanish traductions of his name? {{unsigned|Siegfried}}

== English name meaning ==

I doubt his name is based on Don Juan like the article currently implies. I've always assumed it was just because the "Jua" in his name sounded like the "Wa" in water.
...Actually, looking at his name meanings from other countries, I guess it is likely. But I do think the "Wa" was intentional.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 10:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it doesn't. His name was mispronounced in the show. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::Really? How is it pronounced then?--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I suck at writing pronounciation but real pronounciation of Juan is something like ''Hoo-ahn'', not "''One''". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm still a little unsure, I understand that it makes sense for the original pronunciation for Don Juan to be intact, but it still seems like something you can't exactly claim is official. The waste of a water pun that's pretty close seems weird to me.
Also, are you taking into account that Juan would be pronounced in an Americanized way? Your two pronunciations seem to me to only be different in that sort of way. (Mexico vs. Me-hee-co, for example)--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Americanized? It's still Spanish. Mexico is the word which IS in English (I mean, you can find Mexico in English dictionary) and it's pronounced differently. Juan is not. It's still Spanish. Ib Americanized way, it would be pronounced John, because that's english equivalent of spanish Juan. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::I see what you're getting at. I suppose you're trying to say the "One"-esque pronunciation is nothing more than a common mistake. I'd argue that a bit more, but honestly I'm no expert. I'd figure this at least warrants a note, maybe, but I'm not going to make a further case of it. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::From Wikipedia -
*"Don Juan ([[Byron]])":
A recurring joke throughout the poem is that most of the Spanish words and names are rhymed in a way which indicates that the names are being pronounced incorrectly. For example:
<blockquote>
Till, after cloying the gazettes with cant,
 The age discovers he is not the '''true one''';
 Of such as these I should not care to vaunt,
 I'll therefore take our ancient friend '''Don Juan'''
</blockquote>

In the above passage, "Juan" is rhymed with "true one", as if the word were being read according to the phonetic rules of the English language. The correct pronunciation of ''Juan'' is ''Hwan''.

In fact, "JOO-un" is the traditional English pronunciation of ''Juan'', though not a name traditionally used in England.

*"Juan":
Juan (IPA: [xwan]) is a Spanish form of the given name John.
--[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]]

== White hair tuft ==

Is it possibly a handkerchief?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
:In his hair?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, never mind. But why would a majestic human being like himself let his hair gray?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

?????[[User:Garrison12795|Garr]][[Ludicolo (Pokémon)|ison]][[User talk:Garrison12795|12795]] 23:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, self judged majestic human being--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
:May I remind you that Dawn's hair is ''blue''? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== whats wrong with the pic? ==

A bad picture template was put up here, why is it bad?. ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 10:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Low resolution. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::kay ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 10:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== ORAS ==

Is the lack of any acknowledgement/reference to Juan in ORAS worth mentioning in this article? [[User:Ki|Ki]] ([[User talk:Ki|talk]]) 23:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
:I wouldn't think so. It'd be notable if he WAS referenced, but seeing as he didn't exist in the original games, it's not like he should be assumed to be referenced in these ones. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:27, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
::He actually is mentioned very briefly by Wallace or Lisia when you face them both in a contest and lose. At least that was my experience. [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 13:24, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

== Talk ==

Juan's spanish name is "Galano." {{unsigned|RoseofStriatonCity}}

Talk:Juan

2015-02-11T13:24:50Z

DragonLordZero: /* ORAS */

HIS NAME IS JUAN? What is the world coming to? Can we pleeeease keep the Japanese name on all the articles? -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 04:30, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It may not be the best name, but it does provide an alternative for those of us sick of trying to figure out exactly what his Japanese name *is*. --BJG

Ah, you mean like [[Jirarudan|Lawrence III]]. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 09:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's dirty pool. Besides, there was no debate about his name in Japanese, we just couldn't figure out where the heck his name *came* from until a few months ago--BJG.

== International Juan ==

Does anyone know the French, German, Italian and Spanish traductions of his name? {{unsigned|Siegfried}}

== English name meaning ==

I doubt his name is based on Don Juan like the article currently implies. I've always assumed it was just because the "Jua" in his name sounded like the "Wa" in water.
...Actually, looking at his name meanings from other countries, I guess it is likely. But I do think the "Wa" was intentional.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 10:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it doesn't. His name was mispronounced in the show. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::Really? How is it pronounced then?--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I suck at writing pronounciation but real pronounciation of Juan is something like ''Hoo-ahn'', not "''One''". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm still a little unsure, I understand that it makes sense for the original pronunciation for Don Juan to be intact, but it still seems like something you can't exactly claim is official. The waste of a water pun that's pretty close seems weird to me.
Also, are you taking into account that Juan would be pronounced in an Americanized way? Your two pronunciations seem to me to only be different in that sort of way. (Mexico vs. Me-hee-co, for example)--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Americanized? It's still Spanish. Mexico is the word which IS in English (I mean, you can find Mexico in English dictionary) and it's pronounced differently. Juan is not. It's still Spanish. Ib Americanized way, it would be pronounced John, because that's english equivalent of spanish Juan. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::I see what you're getting at. I suppose you're trying to say the "One"-esque pronunciation is nothing more than a common mistake. I'd argue that a bit more, but honestly I'm no expert. I'd figure this at least warrants a note, maybe, but I'm not going to make a further case of it. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::From Wikipedia -
*"Don Juan ([[Byron]])":
A recurring joke throughout the poem is that most of the Spanish words and names are rhymed in a way which indicates that the names are being pronounced incorrectly. For example:
<blockquote>
Till, after cloying the gazettes with cant,
 The age discovers he is not the '''true one''';
 Of such as these I should not care to vaunt,
 I'll therefore take our ancient friend '''Don Juan'''
</blockquote>

In the above passage, "Juan" is rhymed with "true one", as if the word were being read according to the phonetic rules of the English language. The correct pronunciation of ''Juan'' is ''Hwan''.

In fact, "JOO-un" is the traditional English pronunciation of ''Juan'', though not a name traditionally used in England.

*"Juan":
Juan (IPA: [xwan]) is a Spanish form of the given name John.
--[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]]

== White hair tuft ==

Is it possibly a handkerchief?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
:In his hair?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, never mind. But why would a majestic human being like himself let his hair gray?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

?????[[User:Garrison12795|Garr]][[Ludicolo (Pokémon)|ison]][[User talk:Garrison12795|12795]] 23:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, self judged majestic human being--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
:May I remind you that Dawn's hair is ''blue''? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== whats wrong with the pic? ==

A bad picture template was put up here, why is it bad?. ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 10:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Low resolution. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::kay ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 10:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== ORAS ==

Is the lack of any acknowledgement/reference to Juan in ORAS worth mentioning in this article? [[User:Ki|Ki]] ([[User talk:Ki|talk]]) 23:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
:I wouldn't think so. It'd be notable if he WAS referenced, but seeing as he didn't exist in the original games, it's not like he should be assumed to be referenced in these ones. —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 01:27, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
:He actually is mentioned very briefly by Wallace or Lisia when you face them both in a contest and lose. At least that was my experience. [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 13:24, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

== Talk ==

Juan's spanish name is "Galano." {{unsigned|RoseofStriatonCity}}

Talk:Quagsire (Pokémon)

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== Error ==

I noticed an error by where its name comes from and its orgin and i don't know how to fix it can someone fix it please?
--[[User:Vlade|Vlade]] 15:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:Fix'd.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 15:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden Ability ==

Something odd, when I view the page it says Quagsire's hidden ability is Cacophony, however when I go to edit it says Unaware. No pokemon can have Cacophony, so why does it still show up? I don't know if this is simply an error on my end, or if there's something going on, but if someone with more experience than me could resolve this, that'd be great. [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 22:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Gyarados (Pokémon)

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== Flying? ==

According to trivia Gyarados has been seen flying in the anime. What episode/movie was this? -- Nepse 04:11, 27.02.12 (UTC)

== Why not part Dragon? ==

I think it's best to bring it up here, where the issue would be relevant, than elsewhere. We all know Gyarados is Water/Flying, and that Dragon was a type in Generation I. However, I read somewhere (I forget where exactly) that there were only 13 types in the original Red and Green, and that Ice and Dragon were added in Blue. Of course, I theorize that any Ice Pokémon were Water, since that's what they use in the TCG, and that any Dragon Pokémon were Normal. Since the Base Set came out only ten days after Blue was released in Japan, it would make some sense.

After all, look at how many Pokémon from Gen I are Ice only. None. There are several Water/Ice (which I think was because the type was added as an afterthought), and Articuno's the only one where missing the Ice-type would really matter (since there's NEVER a pure Flying-type). Heck, if Articuno was originally Water/Flying (which I suspect), both the beasts and birds would be the same types. The Dratini family were the only Dragon-types, so they could have used Normal instead.

But I do suppose that they wanted Gyarados to have at least something different from Magikarp in Red/Green (if the "Ice and Dragon came later" story is true), so they gave it the Flying-type as its secondary type, and just never changed it because it would alter a lot (and maybe because Kingdra was already in the works). As for why Magnemite and Magneton got Steel? Eh, they're magnet-based. If they didn't get the Steel-type when it was introduced people would be thinking "wow, that was dumb". And they needed to give Jasmine more than just Steelix. Sure, there'd be Skarmory, Forretress, and Scizor otherwise, but jeez. Two are Bug, and one of those is evolved from something Bugsy has, and Skarmory's known to have been a good choice for a long time; they can't make the Gyms too hard.

...yeah. So if the thing I read was correct, to trivia with that tidbit. If it wasn't, well... I dunno. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:I always just figured it was because a Water/Dragon type would be too hard to beat with the sparse moves in Gen I. {{m|Dragon Rage}} was, like, the only Dragon move, and it only did 40 damage. So there'd be nothing super-effective against it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Calling BS on that Ice/Dragon thing since this is the first I've ever heard of it. Seem like something too significant to just be that unknown. edit: Also it would make link battles between Blue and Red/Green probably incompatible, sooo...--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... yeah, never thought about that, since those types came with their own weaknesses which are different than Water's and Normal's. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::How about Lorelia in Elite Four? If Ice was introduced in blue, what was she then? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Gyarados should evolve from Magikarp when its happiness is low. I know they didn't have Happiness then, but they could change it now... {{unsigned|Kasumi-chan}}
::I don't really like the idea. Magikarp is nearly impossible to train, due to the fact it sucks. Happiness would make it even harder to evolve. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Nor do I, evolution ''increases'' a Pokémon's happiness. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 21:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think its inaccurate to say they never learn any Flying moves, I'm pretty sure I recall using my Gyarados for Fly in the original Red back in the day. Also, while the entire arguement is stupid because none of us had anything to do with actually making the game or Gyarados, it is my opinion that it is not Dragon type because it would be fairly unbalancing. Gyarados is an incredibly powerful Pokemon and has been in my main line up in every game, it is also very easy to get, get a Magikarp and level it up, on the other hand I recall spending quite alot of time trying to catch a Dratini in the Safari Zone, that was around level 15 as I recall, and then I had to level it up alot to even make it useful to me. Even a Dragonair's stat's are pitiful compared to a Gyarados, training up 40 levels just to make something useful to me when I could be training things already useful is annoying. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 11:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
: Also consider that there were very few Dragons in the original games, 3, all in the same family, Dratini, Dragonair and Dragonite. They obviously wanted to make them very rare and unique. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 12:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:: You definitely didn't use Gyarados for Fly, short of gamesharking your original game... [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 18:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== "Gyarados is one of eight non bug, flying-type pokémon that can't learn Fly." ==

It would be nice if that fact also included the other seven. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:Gyarados, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Gligar, Gliscor, Mantine and Mantyke (counting Shaymin's Sky Forme might add another one if it turns out it can't learn it, though it is likely it will be able to). Don't know if it's worth adding though, would have to be added to all the mentioned Pokémon, and might be unnecessary information.--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
It's worth a try, if you want the golden Mudkip enough. [[User:Pikawitchu|Pikawitchu]] 15:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? ==

After playing through the sinnoh generation games, I noticed that gyarados started to appear more often as the game went on. In fact, pretty much any trainer with a fishing rod had a gyarados on their team. There are 29 gyarados in the game owned by trainers as far as I counted including the routes, victory road, and gyms. In past games, gyarados was a power house (and still is), but you would only battle one when fighting the elite four or strong trainers on victory road. It just seems strange that one of the strongest Pokémon in the games became so common with trainers. Route 213 has a total of 5 gyarados you have to battle. What happened? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 18:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:I could have sworn I have fought a fisherman or someone swimming in a water route that has a Gyarados in Ruby or Emerald. Yes, Gyarados is indeed strong, but don't forget that Magikarp is a very common Pokémon and will evolve at a low level (20 to be exact) so there is no surprise to be that several trainers have it. Besides, {{m|thunder}} can beat it easily. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
: i mean i know there were other trainers in the game with gyarados, but it just seems that in the diamond and pearl games, a lot more trainers have a gyarados in their party than in previous games[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 23:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
::Well, Gyarados is still easy to defeat with {{m|thunder}}. Yeah, D/P is supposed to be harder than the previous games. In the hoenn games the trainers in Victory Road only had the first evolution in the Alakzam evolutionary line. But trainers actually had the evolved forms of all the Pokémon that evolve via trading without the aid of an item. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Snorlax Sprite? ==

Why is there a Snorlax sprite with the Gyarados sprites? It should be removed {{unsigned|Posidon09}}
:You're right it should be. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Fixed. Sign your comments on talk pages pls. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 22:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
:::I usually sign, don't understand why I forgot this time... [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== Difference? ==

In the game, is there a SINGLE way to differentiate the male and female Gyarados? No, I don't think so. (Other than the male and female symbol) So what is the use of putting in the article "The female has white barbells"?
[[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 01:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

It's the WHISKERS--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 01:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this guy does not own one of the Gen IV games, when female and male differences became apparent. [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|Hellkaiserryo12]] 13:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

== did I miss something ==
why does it say this ''In Generation II, it became the first and only shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot, along with being the only 100% certain shiny encounter''
becos in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2 a pokemon was shiny. [[user:GoldsWigglytuff ]]
:That was written before MD2 was released. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== The only shiny... ==

This article claims that in Generation II, Gyarados "became the first of only two shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot". What is the other? If it is referring to the news report at the start of DPPt, isn't that referring to the same Gyarados? I apologise if this is not what it is referring to, as I have not played Platinum or any non-main series games. If my theory is not the case, perhaps this page should link to or indicate what the other pokemon is. For example: "it became the first of only two shiny Pokémon to be integrated into a game's plot, the other is X"[[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 13:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it's another Gyarados... After all, the Gen 2 was in Johto and the Gen 4 was in Sinnoh. If it's another Pokémon then I agree that it should be linked.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]][[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]]''' 13:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Shiny Celebi in Mystery Dungeon 2. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 13:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Read the section ''right above this one''. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Haha, my bad, sorry. This page should probably say something like "the other one was Celebi in Mystery Dungeon 2" or words to that effect. [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 15:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Gyarados ATK ==

Should we add that Gyarados has the Highest ATK Stat of all the Water Type Pokemon? [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:No it doesn't. {{p|Kingler}} does. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 20:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Then Gyarados has the Second highest ATK Of all The Water type Pokemon only surpassed by Kingler [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 20:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:::True, but that's really not too notable. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[User talk:Chocolate|Chat with Me]]) 20:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Has any body else noticed this? ==

I don't know how, but I was fishing in [[Fuchsia City]] hoping to catch a {{p|Psyduck}} when I encountered and caught a lv. 16 Gyarados (I swear to {{p|Arceus}} that I didn't cheat)! Is this normal? has anyone else found an under-aged Gyarados? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:It's normal. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 23:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Red Gyarados in D/P ==

This page previously stated that the Red Gyarados in GSC was mentioned at the beginning of DP. This isn't necessarily true, however, because you can find Red Gyaradoses any time, it doesn't necessarily mean it was the same one from GSC. It is shiny after all, so it could have been found in Lake Verity for all we know. {{unsigned|Edge578}}
:It's meant to be an assumption and connection to Gen II. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Water/Dragon? ==

In the trivia, someone noted that Gyarados was probably going to be Water/Dragon typed. This, however, is likely speculation.--[[User:GreenGyarados|''Green'']][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|ギャラ]][[Special:Contributions/GreenGyarados|ドス]] 03:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:This has been discussed on the first section at the top of the page. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 03:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
::It's been discussed, but that doesn't mean it was proven. Besides, why would they care that Gyarados wouldn't have any weaknesses? They already made {{p|Sableye|two}} {{p|Spiritomb|Pokémon}} that lack weaknesses. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== unconfirmed (?) ==

The Lake of Rage is a known nesting area for a red Gyarados, something that researchers believe happen when a Magikarp is forced to evolve, having no time to change its scale color from red to blue.

Is that true? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 20:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes? What's the problem? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's just that that is only in the anime, in the games it most likely was just a normal shiny Gyarados, or something of the sort. [[Talk:Red Gyarados|Unown Lord explains it pretty well]]. --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 07:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, in the games, it isn't just a shiny pokemon. It says that radio waves forced them to evolve so fast that they had red scales in the crystal version. [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 07:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Parenting Fish-Beast ==
In the episode Houndoom's special delivery Ash, Brock, and Misty ran into a Gyarados. Brock said that the Gyaradose looked small and suggested that its parents may be swimming neer by. This sugests that Gyarados take care of their young or at the very least meet up with their offspring later in life. should this be added to the behavior section? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 23:38, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== 3rd Gen back sprites ==

In FireRed and LeafGreen Gyarado's back sprite is different than the R/S/E one. Too bad I don't have a way of uploading the sprite to prove it. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:[http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/gyarados/flavor#main-sprites:gen-iii There's proof here.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== FRLG Sprites ==

Has any one else noticed that the first segment behind G's head is reversed and that the fins on Segments 2 and 3 are different depending on what side you are viewing [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 16:42, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

== Origin ==

Gyarados looks sorta like the creature from the black lagoon. Or whatev. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Dunno what that guy is talking about, but I do have something to say about Gyarados' origin. In the part where it says that its Flying Type may be a reference to the karp kites, wouldn't it make more sense to say that it's a reference to Chinese dragon kites? They totally look like Gyarados. They have the constantly open mouth, the horn like things at the top, and they even move alike. Just saying. --[[User:Baroque|Baroque]] ([[User talk:Baroque|talk]]) 10:39, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

== Gyrados was dragon instead of flying in beta ==

this should really be in the trivia, Gyrados was origonally intended to be a dragon type rather than a flying type but due to its typing and the only gen I dragon type move being a set damage move gyrados woukd have had no weakness so they changed it to a flying type {{unsigned|Piexd}}
:Do you have any '''proof''' of that claim? And sign your comments with four tildes. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 22:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

:It's unlikely that Gyarados was "originally" intended to be a Dragon-type, since Dragon type seems to have been a late addition to the original Pokémon games. Heck, Gyarados might have even been programmed into the game (as a Water/Flying-type) before the Dragon type itself. If you look at how the type chart in Red/Green/Blue is programmed (using a hex editor and one of the ROMs), every weakness/resistance related to the Dragon type is crammed in at the very end. Fire/Water/Electric/Grass being not very effective vs. Dragon and Ice/Dragon being super effective are the very last entries in the type weakness/resistance data section, rather than being programmed in earlier (such as in the section where they have every Fire weak/resist listed, then every Water, and so on.)
: You'll probably never get an official statement saying "Dragon was a last-minute addition" (though I could be wrong, they have admitted that Mew was basically stuck into the first empty Pokémon data slot at the last second before release! XD), but the evidence for it is right there in the game. That's probably why Gyarados was never Water/Dragon, more so than "it wouldn't have any weaknesses." I mean, Psychic-types essentially had no weaknesses in the 1st-gen games due to how weak Bug attacks were back then, and if the Ghost-types weren't part-Poison they would only take "super effective" damage from ''Lick'' of all things. --[[User:FnrrfYgmSchnish|FnrrfYgmSchnish]] ([[User talk:FnrrfYgmSchnish|talk]]) 23:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

== XY Locations ==

Not sure if it wasn't known before, but I've fished up 3 Gyarados on Route 22 using a Super Rod. Can someone confirm? [[User:DragonLordZero|DragonLordZero]] ([[User talk:DragonLordZero|talk]]) 19:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)