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Talk:List of PAL Nintendo event Pokémon in 2012

2012-02-11T16:58:23Z

DrStubbsberg: Created page with "Mewtwo Distribution: Mewtwo is already available for download, image included below (apologies for the poor quality image (bad camera) and improper link (no idea how to prope..."

Mewtwo Distribution:

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Talk:Doyle

2011-12-14T22:29:17Z

DrStubbsberg: Trivia

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions a link to Arthur Conan Doyle - is it worth noting the character design similarity to Conan Edogawa from Detective Conan?

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2011-12-12T22:34:31Z

DrStubbsberg: /* House */

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:Following that logic, why put a vestigial Safari Zone in GSC? Why make it harder to access MissingNo in Yellow and impossible in FrLg? Like it or not, Nintendo has put many things in for the purpose of preventing crashes. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 04:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::The Safari Zone in G/S/C was there because it was originally supposed to be in there, but they decided later not to include it. And Missingno. was excluded from later games because it was a glitch that was accessible without cheats. They took it out for the same reason that they hire game testers: they want their games to be as glitch-free as possible. And it did cause crashes, but it could be accessed without cheats, unlike the ???-type Arceus. I agree with Coolbho.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 13:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:That seems more like an origin for Suicune, because of the north wind bit... Though Suicune isn't a horse. I don't know, it might be a legitimate origin.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Arceus reminds me of the andalites from the animorphs books except it only has two eyes and no arms or tail. However in the movie it can speak with telepathy. Did any one else notice the similarities or am I just insane?--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 17:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

[[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

:Check {{p|Magikarp}}'s article. It's a legit piece of trivia. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

==Official Art==
Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site.
<img>http://www.pokemon.co.jp/export/sites/default/special/arcus/img/arcus_01.jpg</img>--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://i42.tinypic.com/23s8bon.png Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::the official image is already on the page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.
--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
New artwork (actually biggest):[[Image:Arceus lg.png|thumb|200px]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==U.S. Reveal==

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with my post? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Type-change grammar ==

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for fixing it, TTE. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Should be fixed now... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Typer effectiveness box for ??? type ==

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from {{m|Weather Ball}} and {{m|Shadow Sky}}. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!==

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the '''In Side Games''' section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Unfortunately, it only appears as a statue and can't actually be encountered or recruited.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry. ==

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as ''"It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. "'' May someone edit the page to include this? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page glitch ==

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait ''exactly'' 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== US Platinum dex entry/page unlock ==

Can someone ''please'' unlock the page so that the English ''Platinum'' Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: ''It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.'' And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protected ==

Why is this page protected?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough* [[Movie 12]] *cough* '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Event Moves ==

Should the Event Moves (Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, Shadow Force) be added to its moveset? It knows these at Level 100 at the Japanese event this summer. {{unsigned|JacobCrystal}}

== Should we insert the Movie Arceus event? ==

I mean, Corocoro had already revealed that there is going to be an event in HGSS unlocked by Movie Arceus where the player can choose a Level 1 Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. I think it should be worth noting that they should mention this in this article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Hey guys, an idea had just sprouted in my head. The name might also come from the latin verb ''arceo'', which roughly translates to "I watch from a distance".
/[[User:Ziemniax|Ziemniax]]
:Actually, that word means "enclose". But it could still be a name origin, since Arceus was enclosed in the Hall of Origin.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Both of you are right. if it has a long e then it means "I watch from a distane" but a short e means "enclose"--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 17:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus catch Trivia ==
As a point in the trivia I think it should be mentioned that Arceus is the only trio master (as of yet and i suspect always will be) not catchable by typical in-game mechanics instead needing to obtain an item solely distributed by a Nintendo event. All others are obtainable in their original generations via typical methods (i.e. just a simple in-game event or simply trading from a complimentary version) rather than and individual physically having to go to a Nintendo event to receive an item that cannot be obtained in games. I'm sorry if this point seems to sound redundant but I'm not sure if everyone will understand what I mean. -- [[User:D558|D558]] 06:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:Psh, who says you have to go outside? You can WFC the Azure Flute... eventually... presumably... likely... in the future. But yes, that's a good point. Do it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::I dunno if the page is protected or if my ability to edit pages has been taken away but I can't add this trivia... I guess i'll have to wait until it is unprotected or someone else will have to state this fact -- [[User:D558|D558]] 18:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to have playable MP3 files to get Pokemon cries? I'm getting confused as to what Arceus' sounds like, because the text box says ''Dodogyuuun!'' and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcHrs4MXuzQ this movie]] has mediocre sound graphics and sounds like a hi-pitched vibrating and '''''Ayeayeaye!''''' - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's_Embodiment|contribs]])'' 19:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think Filb.de has them. I had all the Sinnoh ones at one point, but I may have deleted them when iTunes tried to be stupid with them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/cries/493.mp3 Have a ball.] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus infobox at the top of this page ==

Shouldn't this be in the article instead? What is it doing here? -- [[User:Socob|Socob]] ( [[User_talk:Socob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Socob|Contribs]] ) 13:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:TTE found them too distracting for the articles. Here it's mostly a warning not to ask why Arceus is {{arceustype}}.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::I see. It does seem to be kind of messed up, too. -- [[User:Socob|Socob]] ( [[User_talk:Socob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Socob|Contribs]] ) 12:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Overworld ==

Isn't that cool if the page have the HGSS overworld?, other pokemon too {{unsigned|Arceus Vs Dragon Trio}}
:These will most likely be included somehow; we just need to work out where. It's been what, a day? Give us some time to get the images first. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

Apparently (due to the Austrailian trailer floating around the Internets) Arceus's name is pronouced ARK-eus. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:There are so many pronunciations out there that Bulbapedia doesn't keep track of them. In the past there have been discrepancies between the anime and the "official" books, and even between multiple episodes of the anime. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

== 1000 arms??? ==

umm... just wondering...why does the Pokédex entry say that it has 1000 arms? I was looking at it and it has four hooves, no arms? Isn't it kind of weird to say it has 1000 arms and then when you see it it has no arms (or four if you count hooves as arms)?--[[User:Smartkidhen|Smartkidhen]] 00:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Arceus could retract them. Ask on the forums, because that is where this belongs. ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Derp. Hey. Multiform things always have the show/hide option because their other types can be freely switched to at will. Keep it that way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== Special Moves ==

Okay, someone really ought to add Shadow Force, Spacial Rend and Roar of Time to the "by events" section. If no one edits it or gives me a reason not to, I will add this ----GEN1[[User:Gen1king|KING]] ''([[User talk:TALK]])'' 04:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:I have added the event moves section to the page. thank you.
----GEN1[[User:Gen1king|KING]] ''([[User talk:TALK]])'' 05:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus HAS appeared in side games==

WiiWare Mystery Dungeon. Need I say more? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 17:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. So where is he in the game and i will gladly add it. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::Cmon. Someone must know! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Lol. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Come on! Come on! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 12:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
arceus appears as a statue in explores of sky and in the new mystery dungeion pokeexlpores for the wii[[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 00:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

In mystery dungeon for wiiware, Arceus appears in a Wonder Mail W mission downloadable from wifi. It takes place in either final mountain, final cave, or final island. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 22:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Another possible name origin. ==

Could its name come from {{wp|arcus cloud}}? {{unsigned|Taromon777}}
:Likely not. The current ones seem more plausible to me. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

== Movie 12 Arceus ==

If you trade the Movie 12 Arceus from an English HG to an english SS, then can the event be activated in both games?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 00:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:Most likely. When they come out we'll know for sure after somebody gets that far in both games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Side Game Data ==

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Side Game Data ==

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:Added ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:57, 5 May 2010 (UTC))

==Image==
Umm... in article it's say "art from platinum" and on the image file it's say "released in HeartGold/SoulSilver. So, it's from Platinum or from HG/SS?
:Fixed. It looks to me like no-one got around to changing the caption when the art was updated. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Magic Plate? ==

I own a Diamond and Pearl guide that tells you what to do after you beat the game, and it has a section in there about the Underground. In it, it has a list of items you can find, and in that list, they have a Magic Plate. I don't know what's going on, because nobody's mentioned it before. Perhaps it's because I got an early version of the book? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 18:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe a beta name for the Mind Plate? How many plates does it list? If it only lists 16 plates than it may be a typo/beta name for one of the existing plates. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Article vandalism/Error in code ==

It seems that all moveset, type and all other special coding from section Type effectiveness -> With Mind Plate up to Name Origin is either wrong or Media Wiki has some problems parsing it. --[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 19:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:Do you mean something where it shows a bunch of red links, because if so, I see it to. It is also in the template size exceeded category. I think it has too many templates being used. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::Yup, that's what I meant. And the thing about exceeding number of templates seems possible --[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 20:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that all those redlinks are existing templates, it seems that yes, it is due to too many templates. The main question is how to reduce that without losing information. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, there are two things I can think of.
::::One of them is creating a new Pokéathlon Template, that would contain all of the Plates (specially for Arceus) with would require only to use the template with stats from all of them (although I'm not sure if there is a limit to how much data you can hand over to a template)
::::The second one is to change all link-Templates (those that just generate links to other articles) to normal links to articles
::::--[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 20:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

== Highest level legendary? ==

Wasn't there a level 100 event Regigigas? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 00:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:The article says available for capture. You don't need to capture the Regigigas. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== 13,933? ==

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but the formula (as stated [[Experience#Gain_in_battle|here]]) makes a captured Arceus give (even if the owner's Pokémon is foreign and traded) only 7,071(.428571) at level 100. 
a= 2.2 
b= 225 
L=100. 
2.2 × 225 = 495 495 × 100 = 49,500 49,500 ／ 7 = 7,071.428571. Either this page is wrong, the formula is, or I am. Thanks [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 16:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:You have ''b'' as 225, but it's 255. That's your error. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::I just did the math with 255 as ''b'', and by my calculations, even with a foreign language Arceus and a Lucky Egg, the total experience earned would be 12,021. That's odd. :/--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I got that the first time too. Sorry, I should of used the history on my calculator. Well, which is wrong then? How do we find out? [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 12:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Just did the math. I am getting 13,933. I did this:
(1.7 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 255 * 100)/7

(Wining pokemon foreign traded * Opposing pokemon owned by trainer * Wining pokemon holding lucky egg * base exp * level 100)/7
[[User:Mark342|Mark342]] 21:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

:They have changed the formula. It didn't work before. This [[File:Exp.png]] is the previous one. The new one works. Thanks anyway, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 21:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC).

== Explorers of Sky ==

I have tried, but I can't get rid of the part on the [[template:Sidegame|Sidegame]] template that includes Explorers of Sky. It wasn't in the Game, so does anyone know how to get rid of this? It's a little misleading. Thanks, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 23:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

About the name origin. For me, the most simple theory is not so clearly mentioned in the current name origin section. My theory is: Arceus is just a transcription of "archeos" from latin (meaning archaich). This was confirmed with the newest trailers that pronounce "Arceus" exactly like "archeos" is pronounced. It is the most direct and simple someone can think of, it's more or less the same process used for other Pokémon name such as Luvdisc, since "luv" has the same pronountiation as "love".

== izanagi and izanami ==

If Japan and Gods is created, it seems to be worth describing to trivia. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

My remark on the page of the edit became interrupted. Arceus lives in the interior of Spear Pillar. There are a spear and a point of contact of the creation of the Shintoism myth. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:But would that not mean that Arceus would have to be two, and not one? I think Dialga and Palkia, both met at Spear Pillar itself, better represent the two, with Giratina representing what happened to Izanami after Kagu-tsuchi burned her. Arceus created the universe... Dialga and Palkia were the ones who created Spear Pillar, and from it, Sinnoh. Arceus is above them. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for correcting my English.
::It is said that it is izanami and izanagi that it gave birth to the gods for the first time by the myth of Shintoism. Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi doesn't make the gods though Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi is the first god. There are izanami(izanagi) and a lacking part because neither Dialga nor Palkia make "Legend pokeomn". It is guessed that the ability of izanagi and izanami that creates the gods is equipped in Arceus.
::I am satisfied with the sentence that Mr. TTEchidna corrected. It is not necessary to discuss it any further.
[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colour Changing Articles ==

I know but it seems kind of pointless, when I fist read the article I thought you'd made a mistake calling it a Dragon-type and when I scrolled down I thought you'd lost your marbles when you were indicating pokeathlon stats for its Bug forme specifically. The Pokedex on the games treats it as a Normal-type. We don't have different coloured articles for Kecleon or Castform and they don't need to be holding special items to change forme. I think leaving it as Normal-type is most convenient and less confusing, also we have articles displaying what TMs and HMs it can learn as different types so why bother with all this. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 14:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:Its probably because Arceus has different Performance stats for its forms, its attack has different type for plate held, and because its sprite changes too. Too just list it all would make the page too long if it weren't hidden. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not suggesting have everything listed for all types. However it would be easier to select which type you want instead of it being random each time. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 15:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I know. But I'm pretty sure with {{bp|wikicode}} you can't do that, unless each type had their own page. At least with the random function you have a 1/17 chance of getting the one you want. If not, then just use the show/hide function. The only difference would be the template colors. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Type Change ==

I've ranted on this subject time and time again but isn't it misleading for someone to come across this article and for it to say that Arceus is a Ghost or Ice type (or whatever type that shows up) when Arceus is Normal-type but changes due to an item. This is no different than making Kecleon's page change types randomly because of Color Change, except for what color Arceus changes to, or listing every Pokémon with the chance of having the ability Mummy since any Pokémon except for Arceus and Shedinja can have the Mummy ability. I believe that Arceus needs to be listed as a Normal type as it naturally is when no items are held, just like how Kecleon is when it hasn't been hit by a foe's move or how a Marill is before being hit by a foe with the ability mummy. Does anyone else agree? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:How is it misleading? The intro sentence of this artticle clearly states: "Arceus (Japanese: アルセウス Arceus) is a Normal-type legendary Pokémon. However, its type will change when it is holding one of sixteen items known as plates and can in reality be any type. " —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, exactly it says it's a Normal-type (Because naturally it is) while the templates might say it's a Poison-type when this isn't always the case, yeah so it's not always Normal-type either but may I remind you of Kecleon? Or maybe we can say that its type "varies", but I'd rather leave the templates as if it's a Normal-type. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:::What's the big deal? The Kecleon example you are using... the type is not permanent after battle, hence why Porygon nor Pokémon with Camouflage is on here as well. Kecleon and Porygon... they were Normal-type prior to battle, and they are still Normal-type after battle. The difference is that Arceus's type is permanent from before battle and after battle. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but it isn't a natural Water or Grass-type, it is a Water or Grass type only when holding their respective plates, but naturally, without the use of an item, Arceus is a Normal-type, if they came up with an item called Aqua Sponge that turned Water-types into Normal-types we wouldn't make every Water-type Pokémon's page rotate from Normal to Water, of course I know the difference is that would be affecting a lot more pages but I still think it's misleading and somewhat confusing with the Forme rotation. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::It changes because it's a form difference if Kecleon changed its sprite then we could do something with it.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 04:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kecleon does not actually change forms; if {{a|Color Change}} counted as changing forms, we could say that all Pokémon do due to Color Change being {{m|Skill Swap}}pable. However, Arceus does actually change forms. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Isn't that why we have this, [[File:Arceus Formes.gif]] in order to demonstrate all formes? In fact we could use something like this in the sprite template couldn't we? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 19:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with Landfish7. This whole page changing is crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 19:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I hadn't ever really looked at this page before, but I recently needed to check up on something about Arceus. I was completely baffled to see it was labled as an Electric-type. It took me nearly a minute to understand what was going on. The type changes ARE really confusing, especially for people viewing the page for the first time. [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 11:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::I think if we HAVE to keep it like this at ''least'' put the informer on the page itself instead of the discussion.--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::P.S.We really need to start a continued section for this. Trying to count the correct number of :'s is driving me crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

== Dream art in info box ==

Yeah. It's pretty cool it changes with the type. But... every other article uses Sugimori art. And it's better looking. So... what do we do here? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:I thought the plan was to have them alternate every so often between normal and Dream... I'd definitely keep the Normal art for now though.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::It uses the game artwork when the page is on the {{type|???}}. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:51, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::: I'm new, but I thought we used the artwork from the generation the pokemon is from (DP), so why is there dream world artwork? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 05:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::We generally use the most recent, rather than the generation they are from (except anniversaries of the generations). See {{p|Marill}} and its current use of FR/LG art. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

In The Rise of Darkrai, I think I heard Arceus' name (that giant, winged light ball thing at the end of the movie) being pronounced "Ar-see-ay". Is that worth adding to the trivia? (I would appreciate verification, as this was a long time ago that I saw the movie).--[[User:Silentzerox|Silentzerox]] 02:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== "[Type]-Type Dream World art by '''Ken Sugimori'''" ==

Since when was Ken confirmed to be the one who made the dream world art? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

== Type discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Um? ==

Every time I go to the page, it's using the Fighting-type template. I've tried about ten times. I'm using Firefox, if that helps find the problem. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 05:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Firefox might be caching the page. Try pressing Ctrl + F5 to clear Firefox's cache and reload the page? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I had thought of that, but didn't do it. But it's working now for some reason. Quitting Fire fox and opening it later seems to have worked. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 20:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I find this type confusion that you guys are creating a great annoyance, and plain out stupid. Let's just say that someone was researching Arceus, and used Bulbapedia. The whole template is colored, yellow with the type and image indicating that it's an electric type. It just doesn't make any sense why you don't just state that he is capable of type change, while leaving the template in his default form? --[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 19:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
:Because if you took the time to read the first few lines of the article you can see it clearly states that it can change forms. Bulbapedia is about the article information stated the templates are for neatness and visual aid. so it's not "Plain out stupid" for it shows all of Arceus's forms. It doesn't always stay yellow it changes color everytime you visit the page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 19:31, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Although I don't agree it is stupid, I will ask why can't it stay in it's normal template? Why does is have to constantly change? Is it to be showy or fun or is it just to show that it is capable of being whatever type it displays? [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== ??? arceus transfered? ==
What happens if a ??? type arceus is hacked into the game then someone tries to transfer it to black/white? [[User:Savelijah|Savelijah]] 17:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
:Simple; When transferring a Pokémon to Black and White, all held items are returned to the bag of the Gen. IV game. You can only transfer a Normal-type Arceus that way. [[User:Jhuyu26|'~Jhuyu26', user of Generation V glitch Pokémon -----!]] 01:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

==Contradiction?==
The trivia section says this: "Arceus's signature move, Judgment, is the only move that Arceus is guaranteed STAB for, as it is always the same type as Arceus itself. '''However, on the battle screen, Judgment is always displayed as a Normal-type attack.'''" With the rotating type change, Judgement also changes in the moveset. I don't mind the templates changing on the page - I think it's kind of cool - but can Judgement be changed to always be Normal? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 02:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

==Mistake==
In the Pokémon infobox it says that artwork it's from Black and White, but it's from Platinum. An admin should correct this mistake. [[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]] 09:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Connection with the bible? ==

Hey guys, I was just looking at a picture of Arceus and it occured to me how similar Arceus is to the 'wheel' mentioned in the bible (Ezekiel).

The wheel supposedly came from the heavens or space;

Ezekial 1:5 - "and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures" (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus?)
Ezekial 1:7 - "Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze" (Could refer to Dialga and Arceus, Dialga being steel (burnished bronze))
Ezekial 1:16-21 - "This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel", "the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around" (Arceus' wheel, at least to me, seems metallic, and the intersection could suggest Arcues inside the wheel. And, there are 4 jewels 'eyes' on the wheel.)

The creatures also have 'wings', which would be similar except for the case of Arceus

Anyone reckon this part of the bible was considered in Arceus' creation?

[[User:PHoxide|PHoxide]] 10:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== "Arms" ==

I eas just watching the Movie and I think the "arms" Arceus is supposed to have are not made of matter, but energy. This could explain why the dex sayes it has arms but you don't see them. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 01:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I have to concur with Truthseeker4449 that the "arms" might be not of matter but of energy. Another possibility is that the "1000 arms" is just a metaphor to signify how mythical Arceus is. [[User:Arceustheomnipotent|Arceustheomnipotent]] 05:04, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

== Minor edits ==

I made minor edits adding to the tcg[[User:Hmtkiwi99|Hmtkiwi99]] 11:02, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, but this is better suited to your edit summary than placing it on the talk page. You can create an edit summary by typing it in the the box below the editing box, labeled "Summary:". Edit summaries as visible in the page history and on [[Special:RecentChanges]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
My edit got murdered[[User:Hmtkiwi99|Hmtkiwi99]] 20:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

== House ==

Just watching new House episode, the Perils of Paranoia, and the titular doctor just made a direct reference to Arceus:

House: "...and that's why Arceus gave us three states of matter and over 300 poisons that could cause these symptoms." 
Taub: "Arceus?" 
House: "Look it up" 

Trivia-worthy? [[User:DrStubbsberg|DrStubbsberg]] 22:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
:It's been noted [[List of references to Pokémon in popular culture|here]] already so the trivia isn't needed. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, hadn't noticed that page before [[User:DrStubbsberg|DrStubbsberg]] 22:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

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Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

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==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:Following that logic, why put a vestigial Safari Zone in GSC? Why make it harder to access MissingNo in Yellow and impossible in FrLg? Like it or not, Nintendo has put many things in for the purpose of preventing crashes. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 04:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::The Safari Zone in G/S/C was there because it was originally supposed to be in there, but they decided later not to include it. And Missingno. was excluded from later games because it was a glitch that was accessible without cheats. They took it out for the same reason that they hire game testers: they want their games to be as glitch-free as possible. And it did cause crashes, but it could be accessed without cheats, unlike the ???-type Arceus. I agree with Coolbho.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 13:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:That seems more like an origin for Suicune, because of the north wind bit... Though Suicune isn't a horse. I don't know, it might be a legitimate origin.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Arceus reminds me of the andalites from the animorphs books except it only has two eyes and no arms or tail. However in the movie it can speak with telepathy. Did any one else notice the similarities or am I just insane?--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 17:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

[[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

:Check {{p|Magikarp}}'s article. It's a legit piece of trivia. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

==Official Art==
Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site.
<img>http://www.pokemon.co.jp/export/sites/default/special/arcus/img/arcus_01.jpg</img>--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://i42.tinypic.com/23s8bon.png Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::the official image is already on the page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.
--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
New artwork (actually biggest):[[Image:Arceus lg.png|thumb|200px]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==U.S. Reveal==

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with my post? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Type-change grammar ==

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for fixing it, TTE. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Should be fixed now... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Typer effectiveness box for ??? type ==

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from {{m|Weather Ball}} and {{m|Shadow Sky}}. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!==

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the '''In Side Games''' section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Unfortunately, it only appears as a statue and can't actually be encountered or recruited.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry. ==

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as ''"It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. "'' May someone edit the page to include this? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page glitch ==

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait ''exactly'' 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== US Platinum dex entry/page unlock ==

Can someone ''please'' unlock the page so that the English ''Platinum'' Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: ''It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.'' And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protected ==

Why is this page protected?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough* [[Movie 12]] *cough* '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Event Moves ==

Should the Event Moves (Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, Shadow Force) be added to its moveset? It knows these at Level 100 at the Japanese event this summer. {{unsigned|JacobCrystal}}

== Should we insert the Movie Arceus event? ==

I mean, Corocoro had already revealed that there is going to be an event in HGSS unlocked by Movie Arceus where the player can choose a Level 1 Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. I think it should be worth noting that they should mention this in this article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Hey guys, an idea had just sprouted in my head. The name might also come from the latin verb ''arceo'', which roughly translates to "I watch from a distance".
/[[User:Ziemniax|Ziemniax]]
:Actually, that word means "enclose". But it could still be a name origin, since Arceus was enclosed in the Hall of Origin.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Both of you are right. if it has a long e then it means "I watch from a distane" but a short e means "enclose"--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 17:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus catch Trivia ==
As a point in the trivia I think it should be mentioned that Arceus is the only trio master (as of yet and i suspect always will be) not catchable by typical in-game mechanics instead needing to obtain an item solely distributed by a Nintendo event. All others are obtainable in their original generations via typical methods (i.e. just a simple in-game event or simply trading from a complimentary version) rather than and individual physically having to go to a Nintendo event to receive an item that cannot be obtained in games. I'm sorry if this point seems to sound redundant but I'm not sure if everyone will understand what I mean. -- [[User:D558|D558]] 06:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:Psh, who says you have to go outside? You can WFC the Azure Flute... eventually... presumably... likely... in the future. But yes, that's a good point. Do it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::I dunno if the page is protected or if my ability to edit pages has been taken away but I can't add this trivia... I guess i'll have to wait until it is unprotected or someone else will have to state this fact -- [[User:D558|D558]] 18:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to have playable MP3 files to get Pokemon cries? I'm getting confused as to what Arceus' sounds like, because the text box says ''Dodogyuuun!'' and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcHrs4MXuzQ this movie]] has mediocre sound graphics and sounds like a hi-pitched vibrating and '''''Ayeayeaye!''''' - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's_Embodiment|contribs]])'' 19:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think Filb.de has them. I had all the Sinnoh ones at one point, but I may have deleted them when iTunes tried to be stupid with them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/cries/493.mp3 Have a ball.] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus infobox at the top of this page ==

Shouldn't this be in the article instead? What is it doing here? -- [[User:Socob|Socob]] ( [[User_talk:Socob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Socob|Contribs]] ) 13:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:TTE found them too distracting for the articles. Here it's mostly a warning not to ask why Arceus is {{arceustype}}.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::I see. It does seem to be kind of messed up, too. -- [[User:Socob|Socob]] ( [[User_talk:Socob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Socob|Contribs]] ) 12:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Overworld ==

Isn't that cool if the page have the HGSS overworld?, other pokemon too {{unsigned|Arceus Vs Dragon Trio}}
:These will most likely be included somehow; we just need to work out where. It's been what, a day? Give us some time to get the images first. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

Apparently (due to the Austrailian trailer floating around the Internets) Arceus's name is pronouced ARK-eus. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:There are so many pronunciations out there that Bulbapedia doesn't keep track of them. In the past there have been discrepancies between the anime and the "official" books, and even between multiple episodes of the anime. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

== 1000 arms??? ==

umm... just wondering...why does the Pokédex entry say that it has 1000 arms? I was looking at it and it has four hooves, no arms? Isn't it kind of weird to say it has 1000 arms and then when you see it it has no arms (or four if you count hooves as arms)?--[[User:Smartkidhen|Smartkidhen]] 00:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Arceus could retract them. Ask on the forums, because that is where this belongs. ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Derp. Hey. Multiform things always have the show/hide option because their other types can be freely switched to at will. Keep it that way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== Special Moves ==

Okay, someone really ought to add Shadow Force, Spacial Rend and Roar of Time to the "by events" section. If no one edits it or gives me a reason not to, I will add this ----GEN1[[User:Gen1king|KING]] ''([[User talk:TALK]])'' 04:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:I have added the event moves section to the page. thank you.
----GEN1[[User:Gen1king|KING]] ''([[User talk:TALK]])'' 05:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus HAS appeared in side games==

WiiWare Mystery Dungeon. Need I say more? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 17:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. So where is he in the game and i will gladly add it. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::Cmon. Someone must know! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Lol. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Come on! Come on! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 12:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
arceus appears as a statue in explores of sky and in the new mystery dungeion pokeexlpores for the wii[[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 00:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

In mystery dungeon for wiiware, Arceus appears in a Wonder Mail W mission downloadable from wifi. It takes place in either final mountain, final cave, or final island. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 22:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Another possible name origin. ==

Could its name come from {{wp|arcus cloud}}? {{unsigned|Taromon777}}
:Likely not. The current ones seem more plausible to me. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

== Movie 12 Arceus ==

If you trade the Movie 12 Arceus from an English HG to an english SS, then can the event be activated in both games?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 00:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:Most likely. When they come out we'll know for sure after somebody gets that far in both games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Side Game Data ==

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Side Game Data ==

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:Added ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:57, 5 May 2010 (UTC))

==Image==
Umm... in article it's say "art from platinum" and on the image file it's say "released in HeartGold/SoulSilver. So, it's from Platinum or from HG/SS?
:Fixed. It looks to me like no-one got around to changing the caption when the art was updated. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Magic Plate? ==

I own a Diamond and Pearl guide that tells you what to do after you beat the game, and it has a section in there about the Underground. In it, it has a list of items you can find, and in that list, they have a Magic Plate. I don't know what's going on, because nobody's mentioned it before. Perhaps it's because I got an early version of the book? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 18:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe a beta name for the Mind Plate? How many plates does it list? If it only lists 16 plates than it may be a typo/beta name for one of the existing plates. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Article vandalism/Error in code ==

It seems that all moveset, type and all other special coding from section Type effectiveness -> With Mind Plate up to Name Origin is either wrong or Media Wiki has some problems parsing it. --[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 19:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:Do you mean something where it shows a bunch of red links, because if so, I see it to. It is also in the template size exceeded category. I think it has too many templates being used. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::Yup, that's what I meant. And the thing about exceeding number of templates seems possible --[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 20:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that all those redlinks are existing templates, it seems that yes, it is due to too many templates. The main question is how to reduce that without losing information. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, there are two things I can think of.
::::One of them is creating a new Pokéathlon Template, that would contain all of the Plates (specially for Arceus) with would require only to use the template with stats from all of them (although I'm not sure if there is a limit to how much data you can hand over to a template)
::::The second one is to change all link-Templates (those that just generate links to other articles) to normal links to articles
::::--[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 20:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

== Highest level legendary? ==

Wasn't there a level 100 event Regigigas? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 00:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:The article says available for capture. You don't need to capture the Regigigas. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== 13,933? ==

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but the formula (as stated [[Experience#Gain_in_battle|here]]) makes a captured Arceus give (even if the owner's Pokémon is foreign and traded) only 7,071(.428571) at level 100. 
a= 2.2 
b= 225 
L=100. 
2.2 × 225 = 495 495 × 100 = 49,500 49,500 ／ 7 = 7,071.428571. Either this page is wrong, the formula is, or I am. Thanks [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 16:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:You have ''b'' as 225, but it's 255. That's your error. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::I just did the math with 255 as ''b'', and by my calculations, even with a foreign language Arceus and a Lucky Egg, the total experience earned would be 12,021. That's odd. :/--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I got that the first time too. Sorry, I should of used the history on my calculator. Well, which is wrong then? How do we find out? [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 12:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Just did the math. I am getting 13,933. I did this:
(1.7 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 255 * 100)/7

(Wining pokemon foreign traded * Opposing pokemon owned by trainer * Wining pokemon holding lucky egg * base exp * level 100)/7
[[User:Mark342|Mark342]] 21:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

:They have changed the formula. It didn't work before. This [[File:Exp.png]] is the previous one. The new one works. Thanks anyway, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 21:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC).

== Explorers of Sky ==

I have tried, but I can't get rid of the part on the [[template:Sidegame|Sidegame]] template that includes Explorers of Sky. It wasn't in the Game, so does anyone know how to get rid of this? It's a little misleading. Thanks, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 23:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

About the name origin. For me, the most simple theory is not so clearly mentioned in the current name origin section. My theory is: Arceus is just a transcription of "archeos" from latin (meaning archaich). This was confirmed with the newest trailers that pronounce "Arceus" exactly like "archeos" is pronounced. It is the most direct and simple someone can think of, it's more or less the same process used for other Pokémon name such as Luvdisc, since "luv" has the same pronountiation as "love".

== izanagi and izanami ==

If Japan and Gods is created, it seems to be worth describing to trivia. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

My remark on the page of the edit became interrupted. Arceus lives in the interior of Spear Pillar. There are a spear and a point of contact of the creation of the Shintoism myth. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:But would that not mean that Arceus would have to be two, and not one? I think Dialga and Palkia, both met at Spear Pillar itself, better represent the two, with Giratina representing what happened to Izanami after Kagu-tsuchi burned her. Arceus created the universe... Dialga and Palkia were the ones who created Spear Pillar, and from it, Sinnoh. Arceus is above them. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for correcting my English.
::It is said that it is izanami and izanagi that it gave birth to the gods for the first time by the myth of Shintoism. Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi doesn't make the gods though Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi is the first god. There are izanami(izanagi) and a lacking part because neither Dialga nor Palkia make "Legend pokeomn". It is guessed that the ability of izanagi and izanami that creates the gods is equipped in Arceus.
::I am satisfied with the sentence that Mr. TTEchidna corrected. It is not necessary to discuss it any further.
[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colour Changing Articles ==

I know but it seems kind of pointless, when I fist read the article I thought you'd made a mistake calling it a Dragon-type and when I scrolled down I thought you'd lost your marbles when you were indicating pokeathlon stats for its Bug forme specifically. The Pokedex on the games treats it as a Normal-type. We don't have different coloured articles for Kecleon or Castform and they don't need to be holding special items to change forme. I think leaving it as Normal-type is most convenient and less confusing, also we have articles displaying what TMs and HMs it can learn as different types so why bother with all this. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 14:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:Its probably because Arceus has different Performance stats for its forms, its attack has different type for plate held, and because its sprite changes too. Too just list it all would make the page too long if it weren't hidden. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not suggesting have everything listed for all types. However it would be easier to select which type you want instead of it being random each time. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 15:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I know. But I'm pretty sure with {{bp|wikicode}} you can't do that, unless each type had their own page. At least with the random function you have a 1/17 chance of getting the one you want. If not, then just use the show/hide function. The only difference would be the template colors. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Type Change ==

I've ranted on this subject time and time again but isn't it misleading for someone to come across this article and for it to say that Arceus is a Ghost or Ice type (or whatever type that shows up) when Arceus is Normal-type but changes due to an item. This is no different than making Kecleon's page change types randomly because of Color Change, except for what color Arceus changes to, or listing every Pokémon with the chance of having the ability Mummy since any Pokémon except for Arceus and Shedinja can have the Mummy ability. I believe that Arceus needs to be listed as a Normal type as it naturally is when no items are held, just like how Kecleon is when it hasn't been hit by a foe's move or how a Marill is before being hit by a foe with the ability mummy. Does anyone else agree? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:How is it misleading? The intro sentence of this artticle clearly states: "Arceus (Japanese: アルセウス Arceus) is a Normal-type legendary Pokémon. However, its type will change when it is holding one of sixteen items known as plates and can in reality be any type. " —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, exactly it says it's a Normal-type (Because naturally it is) while the templates might say it's a Poison-type when this isn't always the case, yeah so it's not always Normal-type either but may I remind you of Kecleon? Or maybe we can say that its type "varies", but I'd rather leave the templates as if it's a Normal-type. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:::What's the big deal? The Kecleon example you are using... the type is not permanent after battle, hence why Porygon nor Pokémon with Camouflage is on here as well. Kecleon and Porygon... they were Normal-type prior to battle, and they are still Normal-type after battle. The difference is that Arceus's type is permanent from before battle and after battle. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but it isn't a natural Water or Grass-type, it is a Water or Grass type only when holding their respective plates, but naturally, without the use of an item, Arceus is a Normal-type, if they came up with an item called Aqua Sponge that turned Water-types into Normal-types we wouldn't make every Water-type Pokémon's page rotate from Normal to Water, of course I know the difference is that would be affecting a lot more pages but I still think it's misleading and somewhat confusing with the Forme rotation. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::It changes because it's a form difference if Kecleon changed its sprite then we could do something with it.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 04:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kecleon does not actually change forms; if {{a|Color Change}} counted as changing forms, we could say that all Pokémon do due to Color Change being {{m|Skill Swap}}pable. However, Arceus does actually change forms. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Isn't that why we have this, [[File:Arceus Formes.gif]] in order to demonstrate all formes? In fact we could use something like this in the sprite template couldn't we? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 19:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with Landfish7. This whole page changing is crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 19:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I hadn't ever really looked at this page before, but I recently needed to check up on something about Arceus. I was completely baffled to see it was labled as an Electric-type. It took me nearly a minute to understand what was going on. The type changes ARE really confusing, especially for people viewing the page for the first time. [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 11:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::I think if we HAVE to keep it like this at ''least'' put the informer on the page itself instead of the discussion.--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::P.S.We really need to start a continued section for this. Trying to count the correct number of :'s is driving me crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

== Dream art in info box ==

Yeah. It's pretty cool it changes with the type. But... every other article uses Sugimori art. And it's better looking. So... what do we do here? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:I thought the plan was to have them alternate every so often between normal and Dream... I'd definitely keep the Normal art for now though.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::It uses the game artwork when the page is on the {{type|???}}. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:51, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::: I'm new, but I thought we used the artwork from the generation the pokemon is from (DP), so why is there dream world artwork? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 05:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::We generally use the most recent, rather than the generation they are from (except anniversaries of the generations). See {{p|Marill}} and its current use of FR/LG art. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

In The Rise of Darkrai, I think I heard Arceus' name (that giant, winged light ball thing at the end of the movie) being pronounced "Ar-see-ay". Is that worth adding to the trivia? (I would appreciate verification, as this was a long time ago that I saw the movie).--[[User:Silentzerox|Silentzerox]] 02:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== "[Type]-Type Dream World art by '''Ken Sugimori'''" ==

Since when was Ken confirmed to be the one who made the dream world art? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

== Type discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Um? ==

Every time I go to the page, it's using the Fighting-type template. I've tried about ten times. I'm using Firefox, if that helps find the problem. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 05:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Firefox might be caching the page. Try pressing Ctrl + F5 to clear Firefox's cache and reload the page? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I had thought of that, but didn't do it. But it's working now for some reason. Quitting Fire fox and opening it later seems to have worked. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 20:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I find this type confusion that you guys are creating a great annoyance, and plain out stupid. Let's just say that someone was researching Arceus, and used Bulbapedia. The whole template is colored, yellow with the type and image indicating that it's an electric type. It just doesn't make any sense why you don't just state that he is capable of type change, while leaving the template in his default form? --[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 19:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
:Because if you took the time to read the first few lines of the article you can see it clearly states that it can change forms. Bulbapedia is about the article information stated the templates are for neatness and visual aid. so it's not "Plain out stupid" for it shows all of Arceus's forms. It doesn't always stay yellow it changes color everytime you visit the page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 19:31, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Although I don't agree it is stupid, I will ask why can't it stay in it's normal template? Why does is have to constantly change? Is it to be showy or fun or is it just to show that it is capable of being whatever type it displays? [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== ??? arceus transfered? ==
What happens if a ??? type arceus is hacked into the game then someone tries to transfer it to black/white? [[User:Savelijah|Savelijah]] 17:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
:Simple; When transferring a Pokémon to Black and White, all held items are returned to the bag of the Gen. IV game. You can only transfer a Normal-type Arceus that way. [[User:Jhuyu26|'~Jhuyu26', user of Generation V glitch Pokémon -----!]] 01:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

==Contradiction?==
The trivia section says this: "Arceus's signature move, Judgment, is the only move that Arceus is guaranteed STAB for, as it is always the same type as Arceus itself. '''However, on the battle screen, Judgment is always displayed as a Normal-type attack.'''" With the rotating type change, Judgement also changes in the moveset. I don't mind the templates changing on the page - I think it's kind of cool - but can Judgement be changed to always be Normal? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 02:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

==Mistake==
In the Pokémon infobox it says that artwork it's from Black and White, but it's from Platinum. An admin should correct this mistake. [[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]] 09:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Connection with the bible? ==

Hey guys, I was just looking at a picture of Arceus and it occured to me how similar Arceus is to the 'wheel' mentioned in the bible (Ezekiel).

The wheel supposedly came from the heavens or space;

Ezekial 1:5 - "and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures" (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus?)
Ezekial 1:7 - "Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze" (Could refer to Dialga and Arceus, Dialga being steel (burnished bronze))
Ezekial 1:16-21 - "This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel", "the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around" (Arceus' wheel, at least to me, seems metallic, and the intersection could suggest Arcues inside the wheel. And, there are 4 jewels 'eyes' on the wheel.)

The creatures also have 'wings', which would be similar except for the case of Arceus

Anyone reckon this part of the bible was considered in Arceus' creation?

[[User:PHoxide|PHoxide]] 10:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== "Arms" ==

I eas just watching the Movie and I think the "arms" Arceus is supposed to have are not made of matter, but energy. This could explain why the dex sayes it has arms but you don't see them. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 01:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I have to concur with Truthseeker4449 that the "arms" might be not of matter but of energy. Another possibility is that the "1000 arms" is just a metaphor to signify how mythical Arceus is. [[User:Arceustheomnipotent|Arceustheomnipotent]] 05:04, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

== Minor edits ==

I made minor edits adding to the tcg[[User:Hmtkiwi99|Hmtkiwi99]] 11:02, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, but this is better suited to your edit summary than placing it on the talk page. You can create an edit summary by typing it in the the box below the editing box, labeled "Summary:". Edit summaries as visible in the page history and on [[Special:RecentChanges]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
My edit got murdered[[User:Hmtkiwi99|Hmtkiwi99]] 20:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

== House ==

Just watching new House episode, the Perils of Paranoia, and the titular doctor just made a direct reference to Arceus:

House: "...and that's why Arceus gave us three states of matter and over 300 poisons that could cause these symptoms."
Taub: "Arceus?"
House: "Look it up"

Trivia-worthy? [[User:DrStubbsberg|DrStubbsberg]] 22:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Sheer Force (Ability)

2011-02-19T21:23:31Z

DrStubbsberg: /* King's Rock */ new section

== Sorry ==
I was already editing the page to put the link to status ailments when the "do not edit" message was put up. Sorry! --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|junkie]] 19:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== corocoro mistake ==

The name of this ability should be ちからずく instead of ちからづく. Corocoro keeps printing the wrong name as ちからづく, but every other official source refers to the ability as ちからずく, which could be interesting trivia too :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 00:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC))

== {{u|CuboneKing/Sheer Strength (ability)#Pokémon with Invigorate|"Invigorate"}} ==

Should be "Sheer Strength". →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 01:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Ignoring secondary effects? ==

So I'm a bit confused by what this exactly means... My first impression was that moves like Fire fang which have secondary effects for opponents get a boost, and have the burn chance removed. But then I'm considering a move like Hammer Arm or Superpower. Would those moves also get a power boost and have their NEGATIVE secondary effects removed?

And on the same train of thought would this also affect Flare Blitz's recoil effect? That probably isn't a "secondary effect" (but Flare Blitz's burn effect is) but just want to clarify that, too. [[User:Pyitoechito|Pyitoechito]] 14:13, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:Fire fang gets a boost because there is a % chance something happens; in this case burn. Hammer arm and superpower do not have a % chance for an additional effect (it always happens) so they are not affected. Flare blitz might be affected (due to its burn chance) but the recoil would still be there. --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] 15:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Crunch, Steel Wing and similar ==

What about moves that can reduce the opponent's stats or raise the user's, such as Crunch and Steel Wing? Does anyone know if they're boosted by Brute Force? [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 19:32, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

== Critical Hit ==

What bout moves like {{m|Slash}} or {{m|Night Slash}}? Are they boosted as well? --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 01:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

== About move ==

Should we add list of move which Sheer force is apply? I am one person who dont know what move they were[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 03:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, if we can get a list, it should be added. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== King's Rock ==

We know that Sheer Force works alongside the Life Orb, but does it work with King's Rock? In theory as King's Rock adds a flinch chance to every move, Sheer Force should give a boost to everything (as well as cutting any negative side-effects along with the flinch effect). [[User:DrStubbsberg|DrStubbsberg]] 21:23, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Weather Ball (move)

2010-09-09T10:05:37Z

DrStubbsberg:

== Fog? ==

What's it do there? If no one answers, I'll soon have a Roserade, so I could check... '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it just doubles the power of Weather Ball, keeping it a normal move. I used it on a Kecleon in the fog, and it didn't change type (either normal or typeless). ----
''[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] and [[Pokémon|Official]] Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|should be considered equal]]!-- quoted by {{u|Missingno. Master}}
 13:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Water?! ==

According to the top of the move page and the in-game description, Weather Ball is a Normal type attack. But it is classed Water type in the column on the right, and on Castform/Roserade pages. Is there something I'm not getting?
It also states that the power is 100. Technically, the base power is 50. The boosted power is simply an added effect with specific conditions, much like Revenge or Pursuit.
As I'm a total Wiki newbie, I'll let someone else edit the pages.... :-P [[User:Dargad|Dargad]] 01:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:It changes during times, so when you refresh the page, it becomes a different type.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 02:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, this one changes depending on the season. Come back in a few months! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

== STAB ==

When Castform changes type because of the weather, does this mean that Weather Ball will have STAB? [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 21:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yep. The two will always be the same time, and hence have STAB. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Wrong. Sandstorm. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Also, Roserade never gains STAB from Weather Ball. Unfortunately, no Grass/Poison type weather conditions. xD [[User:Lucadan|'''''Lucadan''''']] [[User talk:Lucadan|'''''(Talk)''''']] 00:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Total damage? ==

So base power is 50, doubled to 100, STAB + 25?, and weather bonus for another 25? Total of 150, correct?--[[User:FromCrimsonToWool|FromCrimsonToWool]]
:Be specific...{{p|Castform}} right? That should be right...depends on the order though...could be 187/188... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 00:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

::Yes, Castform. My bad.--[[User:FromCrimsonToWool|FromCrimsonToWool]] 03:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:::The question is really whether STAB and weather effects are a mulitpliers (x1.5) or additions (power + power x 0.5). If they are both a multiplier, then it will be 50x2x1.5x1.5=225, whereas if they are both addition then it could be as low as 150, as high as 225, or somewhere in between. This is of course assuming STAB and a weather condition which boosts move power. [[User:Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I would lean more towards the lower, 150 figure. It would seem to me that handing you a pokémon that could output 225 at level 30, would be a bit of a game ruin-er. Not to mention the ability to control multiple different major elements.--[[User:FromCrimsonToWool|FromCrimsonToWool]] 06:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It's 225. Any multipliers are multiplications, check Smogon, they're almost always right. [[User:R S E FR LG|R S E FR LG]] 21:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Egg Moves ==

Can someone fix the Egg Moves list to show that they are only in HGSS? [[User:R S E FR LG|R S E FR LG]] 03:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I'll get that. Btw, the preview button is your friend. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Weather Boost ==

Are we 100% certain that it gets the weather related stat boost? Because I've seen a few sites that don't list it, has it been tested using the game? [[User:DrStubbsberg|DrStubbsberg]] 10:05, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Alto Mare's Latios (10th Movie Promo)

2010-02-12T18:01:01Z

DrStubbsberg:

{{TCG Unreleased}}
{{PokémoncardInfobox |
cardname=Alto Mare's Latios |
jname=水の都のラティオス |
jtrans=City of Water's Latios |
image=AltoMareLatios10thMoviePromo.jpg |
caption=Illus. [[Kouki Saitou]] |
species=Latios |
evostage=Basic |
type=Colorless |
hp=80 |
weakness=Colorless |
wmultiplier=+20 |
resistance=Fighting |
rmultiplier=-20 |
retreatcost=2 |
trainer=Alto Mare |
}}
{{PokémoncardInfobox/Expansion|type=Colorless|jpexpansion={{TCG|10th Movie Commemoration Set}}}}
{{PokémoncardInfobox/Footer|type=Colorless|species=Latios}}

'''Alto Mare's Latios''' (Japanese: '''水の都のラティオス''' ''City of Water's Latios'') is a {{ct|Colorless}} Basic Pokémon card. It is part of the {{TCG|10th Movie Commemoration Set}}.

==Card text==
===Attacks===
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Colorless}} |
name=Refresh |
jname=リフレッシュ |
jtrans=Refresh |
damage= |
effect=You can choose to remove up to 2 damage counters from {{tt|Alto Mare's Latios|this Pokémon}}. If you do, you can’t attack next turn. |
}}
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Colorless}}{{e|Colorless}}{{e|Colorless}} |
name=Double-Edge |
jname=すてみタックル |
jtrans=Life-Risking Tackle |
damage=70 |
effect={{tt|Alto Mare's Latios|this Pokémon}} does 20 damage to itself. |
}}

===Pokédex data===
{|{{Graytable}} width="250"
|-
! nowrap | Pokémon No.
| 381
|-
! Species
| Eon Pokémon
|-
! Height
| 6'07" (2.0m)
|-
! Weight
| 132.3 lbs (60.0kg)
|-
! Entry
| It's called the Guardian of {{tt|the Water Capital|Alto Mare}}. It saved a town in crisis from a giant tidal wave.
|}

==Trivia==
===Origin===
{{m|Refresh}} and {{m|Double-Edge}} are both [[move]]s in the [[Pokémon games]] that {{p|Latias}} can learn, the latter via [[move tutor]]. This card is a reference to the {{OBP|Latios|movie 5}} that is featured in ''[[Pokémon Heroes]]''.

{{Project TCGDex notice}}

[[Category:10th Movie Commemoration Set cards]]
[[Category:Illus. by Kouki Saitou]]
[[Category:Holographic cards]]

[[ja:水の都のラティオス (MPS)]]

Talk:Glaceon (Pokémon)

2009-07-24T12:21:32Z

DrStubbsberg:

==What part of "Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact" do you not understand?!==
Glaceon is thought to be the pokemons english name just because it is the ending of all the other Eevee evolutions,but that is RUMOR at this point and NOT FACT.[[User:Gatogirl|Gatogirl]]

:Didn't Serebii confirm it as true? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 16:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, we have had all the English names confirmed for a few weeks now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 16:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because Serebii confermed it ti does not mean anything (see Wikipedia's article discussion to catch my drift)[[User:Gatogirl|Gatogirl]]

:Serebii had all of the names and was going to reveal them one at a time. Then, somebody leaked the names and Serebii basically confirmed all of them. He's been right about all of the other English names. There's no reason to believe he made any mistakes here. Besides, if it's proven to be wrong, we can always change it. It's not that big of a deal. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 16:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

::The problem Wikipedia has is with reliability of sources. Bulbapedia considers Serebii a reliable source for this so we have the articles at the English names. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 16:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

:::They're all right, Gatogirl. Besides, even if Serebii is wrong (very unlikely) we can always easily change the name to the proper. Just relax, you're making way too big a deal of this. [[User:Carnivine|Carnivine]] 28 March 2007

==What?==

Glaceon is tied with Jolteon for the shortest Eeveelution.

What does that mean?

It means that Glaceon and Jolteon are the same height, but shorter than all the other Eeveelutions. [[User:Pachirisulover12|Pachirisulover12]] 12:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Broken link==
The link to smogon is mispelled as glacia and not glaceon, as such it's broken.
I would fix it, but forgive me for not knowing how.
:It's the pokefordex parameter. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Appearance ==

Is it just me or are the official artwork and the appearance in the anime both based off the 'Shiny' version of Glaceon rather than the regualr colouration? Should this be noted in the Trivia section? {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}

:It's just you it does not look like its Shiny form. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 07:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The regular sprite is light blue with black, the shiny one is white and blue. The version used in the anime and the artwork is much closer to the shiny than the regular.

Talk:Glaceon (Pokémon)

2009-07-22T06:46:21Z

DrStubbsberg: /* Appearance */ new section

=What part of "Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact" do you not understand?!=
Glaceon is thought to be the pokemons english name just because it is the ending of all the other Eevee evolutions,but that is RUMOR at this point and NOT FACT.[[User:Gatogirl|Gatogirl]]

:Didn't Serebii confirm it as true? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 16:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, we have had all the English names confirmed for a few weeks now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 16:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because Serebii confermed it ti does not mean anything (see Wikipedia's article discussion to catch my drift)[[User:Gatogirl|Gatogirl]]

:Serebii had all of the names and was going to reveal them one at a time. Then, somebody leaked the names and Serebii basically confirmed all of them. He's been right about all of the other English names. There's no reason to believe he made any mistakes here. Besides, if it's proven to be wrong, we can always change it. It's not that big of a deal. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 16:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

::The problem Wikipedia has is with reliability of sources. Bulbapedia considers Serebii a reliable source for this so we have the articles at the English names. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 16:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

:::They're all right, Gatogirl. Besides, even if Serebii is wrong (very unlikely) we can always easily change the name to the proper. Just relax, you're making way too big a deal of this. [[User:Carnivine|Carnivine]] 28 March 2007

==What?==

Glaceon is tied with Jolteon for the shortest Eeveelution.

What does that mean?

It means that Glaceon and Jolteon are the same height, but shorter than all the other Eeveelutions. [[User:Pachirisulover12|Pachirisulover12]] 12:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Broken link==
The link to smogon is mispelled as glacia and not glaceon, as such it's broken.
I would fix it, but forgive me for not knowing how.
:It's the pokefordex parameter. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Appearance ==

Is it just me or are the official artwork and the appearance in the anime both based off the 'Shiny' version of Glaceon rather than the regualr colouration? Should this be noted in the Trivia section?

Talk:Struggle (move)

2009-07-21T14:51:09Z

DrStubbsberg: /* Mewtwo Strikes Back */ new section

o_O Why on Earth does Struggle have a Contest description? --Ketsuban

1) There's one template that encompasses both move and contest info. 2) Maybe Struggle just happens to have those statistics in-built anyway? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:00, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's what was in Meowth's database anyway. I had some discussion with him on how to prove it, and he suggested {{m|Sketch}}ing it - but in light of recent data, that wouldn't work. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 00:37, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oops, I meant that if you have, say, a Smeargle with only one move, Sketch, and use it, and after using it in the contest, it wouldn't have any PP, so Struggle would be forced next. But since contests don't use PP, it wouldn't work to do. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 03:36, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Should we mention somewhere that Struggle, despite being Normal, seems to have no problem affecting Ghost Pokémon? [[User:Elsa|Elsa]]
:Probably so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Struggle may have contest data for the same reason that {{p|Arceus}} has a {{t|???}} sprite; so the game wont crash if someone uses a cheating device to force Struggle to be used in a contest. [[User:Bardock|3190]] 11:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== 25% ==

Struggle taks off one quarter of the users HP, regardless of the damage it does. It always has when I have used it. Definately not 50% of the damage it does. [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] 20:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Some other Pokémon sites say the same. [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] 23:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:Changed it! XD [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 15:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Type? ==

How do we know the type? Does it affect Ghost-types? Are we assuming it's a Normal-type move just because it is not super effective on anything??? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:21 18 Jun 2008'''''
:In the game data. Same as for the contest stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::It's just a filler type I'm guessing. It's obviously not a true Normal type. It's only there to stop game crashes. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 14:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
== Wobbuffet! ==

Does anyone have an image of '''Wobbuffet!''' using this attack? It was in the anime so I'm thinking we should puut a note in. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 14:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

== All? ==

Does Struggle take 25% of the user's HP even if it has an ability like [[Rock Head]]?
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 11:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, it does. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 15:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
== STAB ==
Is [[STAB]] applied to this move?[[User:Kkllnn|Blastoise RULZ]] 19:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's a good question. I'd imagine not, since Rock Head and a host of other things don't. They likely didn't make it ???-type just because of the fact that ??? moves do barely anything. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

== Blissey ==

I noted that Blissey doesn't take 25% of the damage it does with struggle... it instead takes something like 2500%. Anyone noted it? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's because it's not 25% of the damage caused (if it was, Blissey would probably take less than 3 damage per use). It's 25% of the user's maximum HP. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Wait. ==

What if a Smeargle used Sketch after the opponent used Struggle?! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:No, Struggle can't be learnt by Smeargle because it cant accually by "learnt" by any Pokémon. It just a replacement for when you've run out of options in a battle. The move will just fail. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== When used on Kecleon? ==

Makes it Normal again, or no? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Strikes Back ==

In the final battle at the end, is this what the Pokemon are using? It seems that they are hurting themselves by attacking and Mewtwo notes that he is supressing their abilities (which could be understood to mean attacks, as 'Abilities' hadn't been introduced by that point). If so should this be noted on the page?

Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

2009-07-21T14:42:12Z

DrStubbsberg: /* One Move */ new section

I'm pretty sure Ditto's in the No Egg group. While it can breed with any Pokémon besides those in the No Egg group, it cannot breed with another Ditto, implying that it is, itself, in the No Egg group. -[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]]

Ditto is in a special egg group called "DITTO" (you know how the game likes to use all-caps for Pokemon names). This group allows it to breed with anything other than a Pokemon in the "No EGGs" group or the "DITTO" group. This is what allows Ditto to breed with Pikachu or Staryu, but Suicune can't breed with other Pokemon. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I thought you could breed two Ditto and get another Ditto. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 23:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Stupidly. ~Ketz

Ditto is able to breed with other Pokémon ostensibly because of its ability to transform into other Pokémon. If it was paired with another Ditto, it wouldn't have anything to transform into, and since Ditto are genderless, would therefore have no reproductive organs.

Makes perfect sense to me that two purplish-pink blobs can't mate with each other. --17:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Ozzie

Does that mean that Ditto can breed with Lucario?[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Anything but legendaries means anything but legendaries. Lucario isn't legendary. Therefore, ''of course''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::Er Thanks...[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

didnt in in the II gen games if you put Ditto in the day care by itself turn into two dittos (most likely because it duplicated like a cell)--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So I can't have a Lvl.1 Ditto? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In the same note of discussion, how was the Steps to Hatch a Ditto Egg reached? Hack?
:The data's in there for all Pokémon just in case you ''somehow'' (usually hacking) manage to make an egg of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Ditto in the [[Anime]] could morph into any other pokemonn but keeps it size in some cases , but in the TCG it keeps its beaded eyes , that just makes wonder , can the [[Pokémon]] that ditto morphs to in the TCG be exceptions or special forms?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think so...D: Not sure... *is currently in Science-ICT class at school* [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

i think the info above should be mentioned in the trivia about the beaded eyes. to be honest nintendo shoud confirm this--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Though worthless to do, can't u breed 2 Dittos and get another Ditto?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:No. You cannot breed a Ditto with a Ditto. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Really... interesting--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, but it makes vague sense since Ditto has no gender. Remember, non-gendered Pokémon can't be bred, even with Ditto...it's "Unknown"-gendered Pokémon (Magnemite etc.) that can. Ditto has a unique egg type as well, we assume it breeds with everything except itself and None. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While not made true in the games or implied in other sources: Considering its physical structure, does anyone else think that Ditto reproduces asexually? -- [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 18:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:It probably does, but since no official sources imply or otherwise indicate this, it doesn't belong in the article. It's pure speculation, and it's just as plausible that a fixed number of Ditto were created by Arceus at the beginning or time, and they lie dormant until bothered in the tall grasses. Or maybe Dittos are actually single cells from Mew's body that have grown much larger. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::That... actually makes perfect sense. It would explain why the both of them can use Transform while no other pokemon can...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Learn every move ==

Can't ditto learn every move with its move transform?[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 00:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:But since it doesn't keep the move permanently, it doesn't go under the Learnset section. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok i was just wondering[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 14:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Color ==

Sould it be noted that, in all sprites exept Gen. 3 Ditto's color is purple, but in its Gen. 3 sprite it's pink ? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 15:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no cos to me it looks pink all time and in Yellow it Yellowy-green.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Buggy Moves ==
In my Pokemon Diamond game, I was using Ditto to catch Pokemon. After using transform on and catching a Primape, combat ended with Ditto still looking like Primape (duh). After that I got into another wild battle and Ditto was Ditto again, but with Primape's moveset. I am making an assumption that you can potentially make Ditto a permanent clone move-wise this way, anyone want to experiment? [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 21:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

never happed to me and my ditto, if was a bug in your game then you are lucky.
and what do mean experiment? I can experiment.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:Wha? I've heard of this happening... was this a Japanese game or the international release? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry for the stupidly late reply, I don't visit here much (obviously). Anyway, the description I left above is still accurate. It has been traded between several players, gained over 30 levels in daycare, gone back and forth over Wi-fi, and been used in many battles since I originally left this message, yet it still knows the Primeape's moves. It has not effected or hampered my breeding at all, either. In fact, I bred that same Primeape with the Ditto to get a Mankey later on.
::I own the US version of Pokemon Diamond (purchased at my local Gamestop).
::The Primeape in question was caught with an Ultra Ball and caught on Route 225 (of course) if anyone wants to experiment with this. Basically, go into any battle with your Ditto, use transform, and then catch the Pokemon you transformed into while Ditto is still your active Pokemon. Then, check Ditto's moves to see if they have changed. If they haven't, try it a few more times and see if it works. Also, I am pretty sure my Ditto was holding Quick Powder at the time as well.
::Ditto right now knows whatever moves a level 52 Primeape knows, which off the top of my head are Cross Chop, Rage, Swagger, and Thrash. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Forgot to mention, I own no cheating devices nor do I have access to them. and my entire game is legitimately played. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== if a shiny ditto Transforms will it Transform in a shiny whatever==
if it don,t then saud be in the page [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:It did, but won't anymore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

cool, when did it solp[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Gen IV is the first game where it becomes, shiny or not, whatever it turned into. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
The Transform Paradox: I changed the title because this example is not actually a paradox. A paradox is an extended contradiction, this is not. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:True, yes, however, a paradox is also an infinite time loop that self-contradicts. The contradiction here comes in the never-lowering PP of Transform for both Pokémon, remaining locked at 5. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
There is no contradiction in this at all. Both using Transform is nothing more than a deadlock. An infinite time loop the self-contradicts would be going back in time to kill your grandfather and succeeding. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:I have a question, does this only apply with two ditto, because mew can transform and can learn other moves. Because it seems to me that only Transform the move is copied, but I thought transform copies all the other Pokemon's moves, so wouldn't a match up between a mew and a ditto (as long as Mew has other moves) be an exception? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::It works if Mew Transforms into something with only Transform. Say you have a Mew with Transform and Psychic. Psychic has 10 PP. You're facing the exact same Mew. You use Transform. Both Transform and Psychic have 5 PP apiece. You can use all 5 Psychics you have now, then Transform and the PP will be at 5 again. It only locks you in if you have only Transform. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Right that's what I meant, the locking, not the transform reseting the PP. Okay good to know.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 20:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding that...in my Crystal, my Ditto battled a wild Ditto. My Ditto constantly transformed, but the wild one kept having its Transform for no reason whatsoever. As a result, Struggle came about... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shiny Ditto Glitch==
What the F...lareon happened to the glitch to get a shiny ditto in G/S using R/B, if no one knows what I'm talking about here's how (altough it's old and I think you all know):

1 Capture the shiny Gyarados in G/S and ransfer it to R/B
2 Teach Gyarados Mimic and erase all his other moves
3 Battle a wild Ditto with the Gyarados, mimic him and transform a few turns while it transforms
4 Capture the Ditto and transfer it to G/S it will be shiny

Notes: I'm not sure if it's a requirement but all of the times I used the Pokémon Stadium 2 (For both transfer and Doduo GB).

Sorry I don't have a video or anything but try it out, I didn't directly affect the article but I'll edit it if no one answers this in 10 days.
--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 06:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:The egg's a glitch, that's how breeding worked in Generation II. See [[Breeding#Trivia|the last part of the trivia]]. You just got lucky because of you got a shiny Charmander. And I think the shiny Ditto trick is also mentioned somewhere. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The glitch has nothing to do with the Shiny Charmander I only wrote that to reference but since I confused you I'll delete it.--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 16:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ben 10 in Trivia ==

''An alien in the television series Ben 10 shares a name with Ditto. However, unlike the Pokémon, the alien Ditto can simply multiply, and gets its name when two of them say the exact same thing at the exact same time.'' Don't tell me this belongs in the article. Ben 10 has absolutely nothing to do with Ditto. I don't want to start a revert war, however. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:To be honest, it's not surprising that the name "Ditto" is used, since it's not Pokémon specific...'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 11:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ditto Breeding ==
Ok. all up and down this talk page (and on the Gender one) it says Ditto can't breed with Ditto. And yet, I'VE DONE IT! In both FR and Pearl (Don't ask me to remember GSC, cause I don't, and I didn't have 2 dits in Ruby or Sapph, and never owned LG, Emerald, or Diamond) Either whoever failed has a dfective game, or I do. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Plz to be proving this with a YouTube video proving that no Action Replaying was involved. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

== One Move ==

Ditto isn't the only Pokemon that only learns one move, the same is true of Unown.

Talk:List of cross-canon references

2008-09-22T10:58:27Z

DrStubbsberg: /* B-button league */ new section

=Temple of the Sea=
Where does Meowth state that diamond and pearl would be great names for games? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]] Theryguy512 [[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 12:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

== Electric Tale of Pikachu ==
"'''To Games:''' This series is derived from the anime, which is in turn based off the world and events of the main game series."
If no one has any objections, I'm gonna go ahead and remove this part. The article should be limited to direct references, not round-about ones. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 22:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC) (Sorry, forgot to sign)
:No, no. Leave it be. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 01:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::Why? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 01:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree in removing it. A reference to a reference? Come on.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I already went ahead with removing it. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

== B-button league ==

These guys feature in a DP episode and all members will only use unevolved pokemon, a direct reference to pressing the B-button to prevent evolution; shouldn't this be included. (as a side note in the same episode, and in some others, the controls that Mewoth uses for Team Rocket's machines closely resemble either the Wii controller or nunchuck attachment, should this also be included?)

Talk:Talking Pokémon

2007-09-06T15:23:40Z

DrStubbsberg:

In PiPiPi, it's really only a handful that can speak human (Clefairy and Squirtle). The rest are presented in a different font, indicating that they're speaking their own language and that humans can just understand them. And Meowth's clone in the first movie and MR couldn't speak human. --BJG
:Did it ever really say that about the Pokemon in PiPiPi? It seems incongruous, especially since Almond keeps asking Hazel how she can understand Pikachu. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 21:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Should it be noted that Lucario's speach is granted through 'Aura?' The article points out when speach is a result of telepathy, so shouldn't aura recieve the same privalige?

also Deoxys talking through Meowth in Pokemon Ranger: Deoxys Crisis

Talk:Talking Pokémon

2007-09-06T13:25:45Z

DrStubbsberg:

Lanturn (Pokémon)

2007-05-01T19:46:21Z

DrStubbsberg:

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Chinchou | next=Pichu }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Lanturn |
jname=ランターン |
tmname=Lantern |
image=171Lanturn.png |
caption=Artwork from GSC |
ndex=171 |
jdex=175 |
hdex=182 |
typen=2 |
type1=Water |
type2=Electric |
species=Light |
height-ftin=3'11" |
height-m=1.2 |
weight-lbs=49.6 |
weight-kg=22.5 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Volt Absorb |
ability2=Illuminate |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Water 2 |
egggroup2= |
effortyield=2 HP |
expyield=156 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=75 |
pokefordex=lanturn |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Lanturn''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: ランターン ''Lantern'') is a {{t|Water}}/{{t|Electric}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
===Gender differences===
None.

===Special abilities===
==Behavior==
==Habitat==
==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=
Lanturn first appeared in [[EP220]]. Its trainer [[Oliver]] was using it to play with a Baby {{p|Lugia}}.

Lanturn also appeared under the ownership of [[Dorian]] in [[EP256]].

=In the manga=
=In the TCG=

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
; [[Pokémon Gold]] / [[Pokémon LeafGreen]]
: The light it emits is so bright that it can illuminate the sea's surface from a depth of over three miles.
; [[Pokémon Silver]] / [[Pokémon FireRed]]
: It blinds prey with an intense burst of light, then swallows the immobilized prey in a single gulp.
; [[Pokémon Crystal]]
: This Pokémon uses the bright part of its body, which changed from a dorsal fin, to lure prey.
; [[Pokémon Sapphire]]
: Lanturn is known to emit light. If you peer down into the dark sea from a ship at night, you can sometimes see this Pokémon's light rising from the depths where it swims. It gives the sea an appearance of a starlit night.
; [[Pokémon Ruby]]
: Lanturn is nicknamed "the deep-sea star" for its illuminated antenna. This Pokémon produces light by causing a chemical reaction between bacteria and its bodily fluids inside the antenna.
; [[Pokémon Emerald]]
: The light-emitting orbs on its back are very bright. They are formed from a part of its dorsal fin. This Pokémon illuminates the inky darkness of deep seas.

==Game locations==
===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]
| Evolve from {{p|Chinchou}}
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Secret Storage 13 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| Evolve from {{p|Chinchou}}
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=125 |
Attack=58 |
Defense=58 |
SpAtk=76 |
SpDef=76 |
Speed=67 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 25 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

Notes:

If Lanturn has the [[Volt Absorb]] ability, the effectiveness of [[Electric]] attacks will be 0.

==Learnset==
{{evolved learnset intro|Lanturn}}

===By [[Level|leveling up]]===

<CENTER>
{| border="1" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| 27 ||   ||   || {{M|Stockpile}} {{M|Swallow}} {{M|Spit Up}}
|-
| 30 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Bubblebeam}}'''
|-
| 32 ||   || {{M|Confuse Ray}} ||  
|-
| 33 || {{M|Confuse Ray}} ||   ||  
|-
| 35 ||   ||   || {{M|Signal Beam}}
|-
| 40 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Discharge}}'''
|-
| 43 ||   || {{M|Take Down}} ||  
|-
| 45 || {{M|Take Down}} ||   ||  
|-
| 47 ||   ||   || {{M|Aqua Ring}}
|-
| 50 ||   || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}''' ||  
|-
| 52 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}'''
|-
| 53 || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}''' ||   ||  
|-
| 57 ||   ||   || {{M|Charge}}
|-
| 61 ||   || {{M|Charge}} ||  
|}</CENTER>

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===
<CENTER>
{| border="1" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM03 || {{m|Curse}} || '''{{M|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{M|Water Pulse}}'''
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}}
|-
| TM07 || '''{{M|Zap Cannon}}''' || {{M|Hail}} || {{M|Hail}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM13 || {{M|Snore}} || {{M|Ice Beam}} || {{M|Ice Beam}}
|-
| TM14 ||   || {{M|Blizzard}} || {{M|Blizzard}}
|-
| TM15 || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{M|Hyper Beam}} || {{M|Hyper Beam}}
|-
| TM17 || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}}
|-
| TM18 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{M|Rain Dance}}
|-
| TM20 || {{m|Endure}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM21 || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}}
|-
| TM24 ||   || '''{{M|Thunderbolt}}''' || '''{{M|Thunderbolt}}'''
|-
| TM25 || '''{{M|Thunder}}''' || '''{{M|Thunder}}''' || '''{{M|Thunder}}'''
|-
| TM27 || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM34 || {{M|Swagger}} || '''{{M|Shock Wave}}''' || '''{{M|Shock Wave}}'''
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM39 ||   ||   || {{M|Rock Tomb}}
|-
| TM42 ||   || {{m|Facade}} || {{m|Facade}}
|-
| TM43 ||   || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM55 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Brine}}'''
|-
| TM57 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Charge Beam}}'''
|-
| TM58 ||   ||   || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM68 ||   ||   || {{M|Giga Impact}}
|-
| TM70 ||   ||   || {{M|Flash}}
|-
| TM73 ||   ||   || {{M|Thunder Wave}}
|-
| TM78 ||   ||   || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM82 ||   ||   || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 ||   ||   || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM87 ||   ||   || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 ||   ||   || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM03 || '''{{M|Surf}}''' || '''{{M|Surf}}''' || '''{{M|Surf}}'''
|-
| HM05 || {{M|Flash}} || {{M|Flash}} ||  
|-
| HM06 || '''{{M|Whirlpool}}''' ||   ||  
|-
| HM07 || '''{{M|Waterfall}}''' || '''{{M|Waterfall}}''' || '''{{M|Waterfall}}'''
|-
| HM08 ||   || '''{{M|Dive}}''' ||  
|}
</CENTER>

===By tutoring===
===Special moves===

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=water |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Deep-Sea Floor |
P1= Am I too bright? Sorry, sorry. |
P2= I'm getting down to about half HP now. |
P3= That's it... I can't light my lamps anymore... |
PL= Leveled up! My lamps blaze even brighter! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="2" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=170.png |
name=Chinchou }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=At Lv.27 |
image=171.png |
name=Lanturn }}
|}

=Trivia=
==Origin==
It seems to be based on an [[wp:anglerfish|anglerfish]].

===Name origin===
Lanturn's name is a misspelling of the word ''[[wp:lantern|lantern]]''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Lanturn
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Lanturn
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 랜턴 ''Raenteon''

=External links=
* [[wp:Lanturn|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Chinchou | next=Pichu }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Lanturn]]
[[ja:ランターン]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]

Chinchou (Pokémon)

2007-05-01T19:46:03Z

DrStubbsberg:

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Crobat | next=Lanturn }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Chinchou |
jname=チョンチー |
tmname=Chonchie |
image=170Chinchou.png |
caption=Artwork from GSC |
ndex=170 |
jdex=174 |
hdex=181 |
color=Blue |
typen=2 |
type1=Water |
type2=Electric |
species=Angler |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Volt Absorb |
ability2=Illuminate |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Water 2 |
egggroup2= |
effortyield=1 HP |
expyield=90 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
catchrate=190 |
pokefordex=chinchou |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Chinchou''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: チョンチー ''Chonchie'') is a {{t|Water}}/{{t|Electric}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
===Gender differences===
None.

===Special abilities===
==Behavior==
==Habitat==
==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=
Chinchou first appeared in ''[[EP212|Takin' it on the Chinchou!]]''.

=Game data=
==NPC appearances==
* [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]: Chinchou are the main bumpers on the [[Ruby Field]]. Hitting a nearby button will change the formation from three floating in place, to three moving around, to just the one moving around. They will occasionally disappear and be replaced by {{p|Lotad}} or {{p|Whiscash}}.

==Pokédex entries==
; [[Pokémon Gold]] / [[Pokémon LeafGreen]]
: It shoots postive and negative electricity between the tips of its two antennae and zaps its enemies.
; [[Pokémon Silver]] / [[Pokémon FireRed]]
: On the dark ocean floor, its only means of communication is its constantly flashing lights.
; [[Pokémon Crystal]]
: Its antennae, which evolved from a fin, have both positive and negative charges flowing through them.
; [[Pokémon Ruby]]
: Chinchou lets loose positive and negative electrical charges from its two antennas to make its prey faint. This Pokémon flashes its electric lights to exchange signals with others.
; [[Pokémon Sapphire]]
: Chinchou's two antennas are filled with cells that generate strong electricity. This Pokémon's cells create so much electrical power, it even makes itself tingle slightly.
; [[Pokémon Emerald]]
: When it senses danger, it discharges positive and negative electricity from its two antennae. It lives in depths beyond sunlight's reach.

==Game locations==
===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]
| Hatch from egg
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Secret Storage 12 Endless Level 9 Trozei Battle Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| [[Silver Trench]] (70F-79F)
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=75 |
Attack=38 |
Defense=38 |
SpAtk=56 |
SpDef=56 |
Speed=67 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 25 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

Notes:

If Chinchou has the [[Volt Absorb]] ability, the effectiveness of [[Electric]] attacks will be 0.

==Learnset==
{{learnset intro|Chinchou}}

===By [[Level|leveling up]]===

<CENTER>
{| border="1" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
|-
| Start || '''{{M|Bubble}}''' {{M|Thunder Wave}} || '''{{M|Bubble}}''' {{M|Thunder Wave}} || '''{{M|Bubble}}''' {{M|Supersonic}}
|-
| 5 || {{M|Supersonic}} || {{M|Supersonic}} ||  
|-
| 6 ||   ||   || {{M|Thunder Wave}}
|-
| 9 ||   ||   || {{M|Flail}}
|-
| 12 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Water Gun}}'''
|-
| 13 || {{M|Flail}} || {{M|Flail}} ||  
|-
| 17 || '''{{M|Water Gun}}''' || '''{{M|Water Gun}}''' || {{M|Confuse Ray}}
|-
| 20 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Spark}}'''
|-
| 23 ||   ||   || {{M|Take Down}}
|-
| 25 || '''{{M|Spark}}''' || '''{{M|Spark}}''' ||  
|-
| 28 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Bubblebeam}}'''
|-
| 29 || {{M|Confuse Ray}} || {{M|Confuse Ray}} ||  
|-
| 31 ||   ||   || {{M|Signal Beam}}
|-
| 34 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Discharge}}'''
|-
| 37 || {{M|Take Down}} || {{M|Take Down}} ||  
|-
| 39 ||   ||   || {{M|Aqua Ring}}
|-
| 41 || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}''' || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}''' ||  
|-
| 42 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Hydro Pump}}'''
|-
| 45 ||   ||   || {{M|Charge}}
|-
| 49 ||   || {{M|Charge}} ||  
|}</CENTER>

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===
<CENTER>
{| border="1" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM03 || {{m|Curse}} || '''{{M|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{M|Water Pulse}}'''
|-
| TM06 || {{m|Toxic}} || {{m|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}}
|-
| TM07 || '''{{M|Zap Cannon}}''' || {{M|Hail}} || {{M|Hail}}
|-
| TM10 || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}} || {{m|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM13 || {{M|Snore}} || {{M|Ice Beam}} || {{M|Ice Beam}}
|-
| TM14 ||   || {{M|Blizzard}} || {{M|Blizzard}}
|-
| TM17 || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}} || {{m|Protect}}
|-
| TM18 || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{M|Rain Dance}}
|-
| TM20 || {{m|Endure}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM21 || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}} || {{m|Frustration}}
|-
| TM24 ||   || '''{{M|Thunderbolt}}''' || '''{{M|Thunderbolt}}'''
|-
| TM25 || '''{{M|Thunder}}''' || '''{{M|Thunder}}''' || '''{{M|Thunder}}'''
|-
| TM27 || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}} || {{m|Return}}
|-
| TM32 || {{m|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM34 || {{M|Swagger}} || '''{{M|Shock Wave}}''' || '''{{M|Shock Wave}}'''
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM39 ||   ||   || {{M|Rock Tomb}}
|-
| TM42 ||   || {{m|Facade}} || {{m|Facade}}
|-
| TM43 ||   || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM55 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Brine}}'''
|-
| TM57 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Charge Beam}}'''
|-
| TM58 ||   ||   || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM70 ||   ||   || {{M|Flash}}
|-
| TM73 ||   ||   || {{M|Thunder Wave}}
|-
| TM78 ||   ||   || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM82 ||   ||   || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 ||   ||   || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM87 ||   ||   || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 ||   ||   || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM03 || '''{{M|Surf}}''' || '''{{M|Surf}}''' || '''{{M|Surf}}'''
|-
| HM05 || {{M|Flash}} || {{M|Flash}} ||
|-
| HM06 || '''{{M|Whirlpool}}''' ||   ||  
|-
| HM07 || '''{{M|Waterfall}}''' || '''{{M|Waterfall}}''' || '''{{M|Waterfall}}'''
|-
| HM08 ||   || '''{{M|Dive}}''' ||  
|}
</CENTER>

===By breeding===
===By tutoring===
===Special moves===

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=water |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=8.7% |
area=Deep-Sea Floor |
P1= Want me to light you up from behind? |
P2= What's up? Why's my health half gone? |
P3= I'm beat... My lamps are growing dim... |
PL= I leveled up! I think. |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
| rowspan="2" |
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=170.png |
name=Chinchou }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=At Lv.27 |
image=171.png |
name=Lanturn }}
|}

=Trivia=
==Name origin==
Chinchou's name is a play 提灯 ''chōchin'', [[wp:lantern|lantern]]. Its Japanese name is also a corruption of ''chōchin''. Also, the チョウチンアンコウ ''chouchin-anko'' is the name of the ''footballfish'', a deep-sea fish similar to {{p|Lanturn}}.

=In other languages=
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Lampi
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Loupio
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 초라기 ''Choragi''

=External links=
*[[wp:Chinchou|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Crobat | next=Lanturn }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Lampi]]
[[ja:チョンチー]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]

Noctowl (Pokémon)

2007-05-01T19:30:11Z

DrStubbsberg:

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Hoothoot | next=Ledyba }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Noctowl |
jname=ヨルノズク |
tmname=Yorunozuku |
image=164Noctowl.png |
caption=Artwork from GSC |
ndex=164 |
jdex=016 |
hdex=319 |
sdex=107 |
typen=2 |
type1=Normal |
type2=Flying |
species=Owl |
height-ftin=5'3" |
height-m=1.6 |
weight-lbs=89.9 |
weight-kg=40.8 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Insomnia |
ability2=Keen Eye |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Flying |
egggroup2= |
effortyield=2 HP |
expyield=162 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=90 |
pokefordex=noctowl |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Noctowl''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: ヨルノズク ''Yorunozuku'') is a {{t|Normal}}/{{t|Flying}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
===Gender differences===
None.

===Special abilities===
==Behavior==
==Habitat==
==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=

Noctowl first apeared in ''[[EP154|Fowl Play]]''. A man was trying to capture a [[alternate color|Shiny]], midget Noctowl by using traps, but kept failing due to the Owl Pokémon's intelligence. After [[Team Rocket]] was sent flying, the Noctowl allowed [[Ash]] to have the chance to capture it.

[[Ash's Noctowl]] was used very much like his [[Ash's Pidgeotto|Pidgeotto]], but it also had access to {{t|Psychic}} attacks such as {{m|Confusion}} which contribute greatly to Ash's victory against [[Morty]]. Ash left his Noctowl at [[Prof. Oak]]'s lab when he set out for the [[Hoenn]] Region.

=In the manga=
=In the TCG=

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
; [[Pokémon Gold]] / [[Pokémon LeafGreen]]
: Its eyes are specially adapted. They concentrate even faint light and enable it to see in the dark.
; [[Pokémon Silver]] / [[Pokémon FireRed]]
: When it needs to think, it rotates its head 180 degrees to sharpen its intellectual power.
; [[Pokémon Crystal]]
: Its extremely soft feathers make no sound in flight. It silently sneaks up on prey without being detected.
; [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire]]
: Noctowl never fails at catching prey in darkness. This Pokémon owes its success to its superior vision that allows it to see in minimal light, and to its soft, supple wings that make no sound in flight.
; [[Pokémon Emerald]]
: It unfailingly catches prey in darkness. Noctowl owe their success to superior vision that allows them to see in minimal light, and to their supple and silent wings.

==Game locations==
[[Funeral Spring Path]]
[[Safari Zone]]
[[Mt. Coronet]]
[[Eichi Lake Area]]
Common, Night Only
===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{normal color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Phobos Jet Endless Level 44 Forever Level 10 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| Evolve from {{p|Hoothoot}}
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=100 |
Attack=50 |
Defense=50 |
SpAtk=76 |
SpDef=96 |
Speed=70 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

==Learnset==
{{evolved learnset intro|Noctowl}}
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{flying color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| 22 ||   ||   || {{M|Confusion}}
|-
| 25 || {{M|Reflect}} || {{M|Reflect}} ||  
|-
| 27 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Take Down}}'''
|-
| 32 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Air Slash}}'''
|-
| 33 || '''{{M|Take Down}}''' || '''{{M|Take Down}}''' ||  
|-
| 37 ||   ||   || {{M|Zen Headbutt}}
|-
| 41 || {{M|Confusion}} || {{M|Confusion}} ||  
|-
| 42 ||   ||   || {{M|Extrasensory}}
|-
| 47 ||   ||   || {{M|Psycho Shift}}
|-
| 52 ||   ||   || {{M|Roost}}
|-
| 57 || {{M|Dream Eater}} || {{M|Dream Eater}} || {{M|Dream Eater}}
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{flying color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM03 || {{M|Curse}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM06 || {{M|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}}
|-
| TM10 || {{M|Hidden Power}} || {{M|Hidden Power}} || {{M|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM13 || '''{{M|Snore}}''' ||   ||  
|-
| TM15 || '''{{M|Hyper Beam}}''' || '''{{M|Hyper Beam}}''' || '''{{M|Hyper Beam}}'''
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{M|Protect}} || {{M|Protect}}
|-
| TM18 ||   || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{M|Rain Dance}}
|-
| TM20 || {{M|Endure}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM21 || '''{{M|Frustration}}''' || '''{{M|Frustration}}''' || '''{{M|Frustration}}'''
|-
| TM27 || '''{{M|Return}}''' || '''{{M|Return}}''' || '''{{M|Return}}'''
|-
| TM29 ||   || {{M|Psychic}} || {{M|Psychic}}
|-
| TM30 ||   || {{M|Shadow Ball}} || {{M|Shadow Ball}}
|-
| TM31 || {{M|Mud Slap}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM32 || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM33 ||   || {{M|Reflect}} || {{M|Reflect}}
|-
| TM34 || {{M|Swagger}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM39 || '''{{M|Swift}}''' ||   ||  
|-
| TM40 ||   || '''{{M|Aerial Ace}}''' || '''{{M|Aerial Ace}}'''
|-
| TM42 || {{M|Dream Eater}} || '''{{M|Facade}}''' || '''{{M|Facade}}'''
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Detect}} || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM46 || {{M|Thief}} || {{M|Thief}} || {{M|Thief}}
|-
| TM47 || {{M|Steel Wing}} || {{M|Steel Wing}} || {{M|Steel Wing}}
|-
| TM50 || {{M|Nightmare}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM51 ||   ||   || {{M|Roost}}
|-
| TM58 ||   ||   || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM62 ||   ||   || {{M|Silver Wind}}
|-
| TM67 ||   ||   || {{M|Recycle}}
|-
| TM68 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Giga Impact}}'''
|-
| TM77 ||   ||   || {{M|Psych Up}}
|-
| TM78 ||   ||   || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM82 ||   ||   || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 ||   ||   || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM85 ||   ||   || {{M|Dream Eater}}
|-
| TM87 ||   ||   || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM88 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Pluck}}'''
|-
| TM90 ||   ||   || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM02 || '''{{M|Fly}}''' || '''{{M|Fly}}''' || '''{{M|Fly}}'''
|-
| HM05 || {{M|Flash}} || {{M|Flash}} || {{M|Defog}}
|}

===By breeding===
===By tutoring===
===Special moves===

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=flying |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Flyaway Forest |
P1= I used my brain to fight! |
P2= The situation's dire... Only half my HP remains... |
P3= The situation's grim... I'm incapable of thinking... |
PL= I leveled up! I think my IQ went up, too! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=163.png |
name=Hoothoot }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=At Lv.20 |
image=164.png |
name=Noctowl }}
|}

=Trivia=
==Origin==
Noctowl's appearance is based on that of the '''Japanese Eagle Owl'''. Who were seen as wise divine messengers of the gods.

===Name origin===
Noctowl's name is a combination of ''[[wp:Nocturnal|nocturnal]]'' and ''[[wp:Owl|owl]]''. Its Japanese name is a combination of 夜 ''yoru'', night, and 木菟 ''mimizuku'', [[wp:horned owl|horned owl]]. The French corruption stands for ''[[wp:Nocturnal|nocturnal]] [[wp:Snowy Owl|Snowy Owl]]''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Noctuh
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Noarfang
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 야부엉 ''Yabueong''

=Related articles=
* [[Ash's Noctowl]]

=External links=
*[[wp:Noctowl|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Hoothoot | next=Ledyba }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Noctuh]]
[[ja:ヨルノズク]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]

Hoothoot (Pokémon)

2007-05-01T19:28:28Z

DrStubbsberg:

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Furret | next=Noctowl }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Hoothoot |
jname=ホーホー |
tmname=Hoho |
image=163Hoothoot.png |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=163 |
jdex=015 |
hdex=318 |
sdex=106 |
typen=2 |
type1=Normal |
type2=Flying |
species=Owl |
height-ftin=2'4" |
height-m=0.7 |
weight-lbs=46.7 |
weight-kg=21.2 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Insomnia |
ability2=Keen Eye |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Flying |
egggroup2= |
effortyield=1 HP |
expyield=58 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=255 |
pokefordex=hoothoot |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Hoothoot''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: ホーホー ''Hoho'') is a {{t|Normal}}/{{t|Flying}}-type Pokémon.

=Biology=
==Physiology==
===Gender differences===
None.

===Special abilities===
==Behavior==
==Habitat==
==Diet==
''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''

=In the anime=
Both [[Gary Oak]] and [[Falkner]], the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Violet City]], have Hoothoots. Although, Gary's was a rental and was owned for one episode only. [[Hagatha]] and [[Nagatha]] from ''[[EP121|Illusion Confusion]]'' rent Hoothoots to players so they can get through a haunted forest.

A Hoothoot chased [[Team Rocket]] while they were searching for {{P|Ho-Oh}} in some underground ruins in [[AG177]].

=In the manga=
=In the TCG=

=Game data=
==Pokédex entries==
; [[Pokémon Gold]] / [[Pokémon LeafGreen]]
: It always stands on one foot. It changes feet so fast, the movement can rarely be seen.
; [[Pokémon Silver]] / [[Pokémon FireRed]]
: It has a perfect sense of time. Whatever happens, it keeps rhythm by precisely tilting its head in time.
; [[Pokémon Crystal]]
: It begins to hoot at the same time every day. Some trainers use them in place of clocks.
; [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire]]
: Hoothoot has an internal organ that senses and tracks the earth's rotation. Using this special organ, this Pokémon begins hooting at precisely the same time every day.
; [[Pokémon Emerald]]
: It has an internal organ that senses the earth's rotation. Using this special organ, a Hoothoot begins hooting at precisely the same time every day.
; [[Pokémon Diamond]]
: It always stands on one foot. Even when attacked, it does not brace itself using both feet.
; [[Pokémon Pearl]]
: It switches its standing foot so quickly, it can't be seen. It cries at the same time every day.
==Game locations==

===In side games===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{normal color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Endless Level 22 Endless Level 35 Forever Level 22 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| [[Sinister Woods]] (10F-12F) [[Northern Range]] (1F-5F) [[Buried Relic]] (5F-9F) [[Remains Island]] (B1-B3)
|}

==Base stats==
{{BaseStats|
HP=60 |
Attack=30 |
Defense=30 |
SpAtk=36 |
SpDef=56 |
Speed=50 }}

==Type effectiveness==
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

==Learnset==
{{learnset intro|Hoothoot}}
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{flying color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| Start || '''{{M|Tackle}}''' {{M|Growl}} || '''{{M|Tackle}}''' {{M|Growl}} || '''{{M|Tackle}}''' {{M|Growl}}
|-
| 5 ||   ||   || {{M|Foresight}}
|-
| 6 || {{M|Foresight}} || {{M|Foresight}} ||  
|-
| 9 ||   ||   || {{M|Hypnosis}}
|-
| 11 || '''{{M|Peck}}''' || '''{{M|Peck}}''' ||  
|-
| 13 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Peck}}'''
|-
| 16 || {{M|Hypnosis}} || {{M|Hypnosis}} ||  
|-
| 17 ||   ||   || {{M|Reflect}}
|-
| 21 ||   ||   || {{M|Confusion}}
|-
| 22 || {{M|Reflect}} || {{M|Reflect}} ||  
|-
| 25 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Take Down}}'''
|-
| 28 || '''{{M|Take Down}}''' || '''{{M|Take Down}}''' ||  
|-
| 29 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Air Slash}}'''
|-
| 33 ||   ||   || {{M|Zen Headbutt}}
|-
| 34 || {{M|Confusion}} || {{M|Confusion}} ||  
|-
| 37 ||   ||   || {{M|Extrasensory}}
|-
| 41 ||   ||   || {{M|Psycho Shift}}
|-
| 45 ||   ||   || {{M|Roost}}
|-
| 48 || {{M|Dream Eater}} || {{M|Dream Eater}} ||  
|-
| 49 ||   ||   || {{M|Dream Eater}}
|}

===By [[TM]]/[[HM]]===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{flying color}};"
! Game
! [[Generation II]]
! [[Generation III]]
! [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM03 || {{M|Curse}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM06 || {{M|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}}
|-
| TM10 || {{M|Hidden Power}} || {{M|Hidden Power}} || {{M|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM13 || '''{{M|Snore}}''' ||   ||  
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{M|Protect}} || {{M|Protect}}
|-
| TM18 ||   || {{M|Rain Dance}} || {{M|Rain Dance}}
|-
| TM20 || {{M|Endure}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM21 || '''{{M|Frustration}}''' || '''{{M|Frustration}}''' || '''{{M|Frustration}}'''
|-
| TM22 ||   || {{M|Solarbeam}} || {{M|Solarbeam}}
|-
| TM24 ||   || {{M|Thunderbolt}} || {{M|Thunderbolt}}
|-
| TM27 || '''{{M|Return}}''' || '''{{M|Return}}''' || '''{{M|Return}}'''
|-
| TM29 ||   || {{M|Psychic}} || {{M|Psychic}}
|-
| TM30 ||   || {{M|Shadow Ball}} || {{M|Shadow Ball}}
|-
| TM31 || {{M|Mud Slap}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM32 || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM33 ||   || {{M|Reflect}} || {{M|Reflect}}
|-
| TM34 || {{M|Swagger}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM35 || {{M|Sleep Talk}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM39 || '''{{M|Swift}}''' ||   ||  
|-
| TM40 ||   || '''{{M|Aerial Ace}}''' || '''{{M|Aerial Ace}}'''
|-
| TM42 || {{M|Dream Eater}} || '''{{M|Facade}}''' || '''{{M|Facade}}'''
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Detect}} || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM46 || {{M|Thief}} || {{M|Thief}} || {{M|Thief}}
|-
| TM47 || {{M|Steel Wing}} || {{M|Steel Wing}} || {{M|Steel Wing}}
|-
| TM50 || {{M|Nightmare}} ||   ||  
|-
| TM51 ||   ||   || {{M|Roost}}
|-
| TM58 ||   ||   || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM62 ||   ||   || {{M|Silver Wind}}
|-
| TM67 ||   ||   || {{M|Recycle}}
|-
| TM77 ||   ||   || {{M|Psych Up}}
|-
| TM78 ||   ||   || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM82 ||   ||   || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 ||   ||   || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM85 ||   ||   || {{M|Dream Eater}}
|-
| TM87 ||   ||   || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM88 ||   ||   || '''{{M|Pluck}}'''
|-
| TM90 ||   ||   || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM02 || '''{{M|Fly}}''' || '''{{M|Fly}}''' || '''{{M|Fly}}'''
|-
| HM05 || {{M|Flash}} || {{M|Flash}} || {{M|Defog}}
|}

===By breeding===
===By tutoring===
===Special moves===

==Side game data==

{{Side game|
type=flying |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7% |
area=Flyaway Forest |
P1= Ticktock... Hoot! I keep perfect time! |
P2= Say, this isn't good. I only have half my HP left. |
P3= I'm done for... I can't keep time anymore... |
PL= Ticktock... Woohoot! I leveled up! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
}}

==Evolution==
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin: auto;"
|-
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=163.png |
name=Hoothoot }}
|
{{EvoChart Box|
text=At Lv.20 |
image=164.png |
name=Noctowl }}
|}

=Trivia=
==Origin==
It seems to be based on a combination of an owl and a [[wp:clock|clock]], as its eyebrows are shaped like the hour and minute hands on a clock; in addition, it has the ability to keep track of time.

Hoothoot's appearance is based on that of the '''Japanese Eagle Owl'''. Who were seen as wise divine messengers of the gods.

===Name origin===
Hoothoot's name is simply onomatopiea for the sound [[wp:owl|owl]]s make.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Hoothoot
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Hoothoot
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 부우부 ''Buubu''

=External links=
*[[wp:Hoothoot|Article on Wikipedia]]

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Furret | next=Noctowl }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[de:Hoothoot]]
[[ja:ホーホー]]
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]

AG191

2007-04-11T21:05:27Z

DrStubbsberg:

{{EpisodePrevNext|
prevlink=AG189 |
prevtitle=AG189: Pace - The Final Frontier! |
nextlink=AG191 |
nexttitle=AG191: Home is Where the Start Is |
series=Advanced Generation |
episodelist=List of Advanced Generation episodes }}
{{EpisodeInfobox|
epcode=AG190 |
title_en=Once More with Reeling |
title_ja=サトシVSハルカ！ラストバトル!! |
title_ja_trans=Satoshi vs. Haruka! Last Battle!! |
screen=yes |
screenshot=AsVSMayLastBattle.jpg |
broadcast_jp=September 7, 2006 |
broadcast_us=February 24, 2007 |
en_series= |
en_op=[[Battle Frontier (dub)|Battle Frontier]] |
ja_op=[[Spurt!|スパート！]] |
ja_ed=[[I won't lose! ~Haruka's theme~|私、負けない！～ハルカのテーマ～]] |
olmteam=Team Iguchi |
scenario=武上純希 |
storyboard=川田武範 |
director=渡辺正彦 |
art=志村泉 |
footnotes= *[[filb-eppics:ag190|Screenshots on Filb.de]]}}
'''Once More with Reeling''' (Japanese: '''サトシVSハルカ！ラストバトル!!''' ''{{tt|Satoshi|Ash}} vs. {{tt|Haruka|May}}! Last Battle!!'') is episode 190 of Advanced Generation. It was first broadcast in Japan on September 7, 2006 and in the USA on February 24, 2007.


{{spoilers}}
= Synopsis =
On their way to their respective homes, Ash and May enter a [[Pokémon contest|contest]] in [[Terracata Town]]. Appealing with Pikachu and Eevee, Ash and May both get past the appeal stage and end up having to battle each other. Ash uses Sceptile, and May uses her newly evolved Blaziken, and the battle is fierce. However, despite the type advantage, both Pokémon are evenly matched. With 20 seconds left of battling, both Pokémon fire one last {{m|Solarbeam}} and {{m|Overheat}} attacks, respectively. They collide, and a thick cloud of smoke coats the arena. Which Pokémon remains standing...?

To be continued...

= Major events =
* Ash enters his first (though unofficial) [[Pokémon Contest]].
* May achieves first place in the first round with Eevee, while Ash achieves second place with Pikachu.
* May's Combusken evolves into Blaziken during a battle with [[Team Rocket]].
* May's Blaziken learns {{m|Blaze Kick}}.
* Ash and May enter the final round with Sceptile and Blaziken respectively.
** Both Pokémon use their abilities ({{a|Blaze}} and {{a|Overgrow}} respectively) in the last minute of battling.

== Debuts ==
* May's Blaziken

= Characters =
== Humans ==
* [[Ash Ketchum]]
* [[May (anime)|May]]
* [[Brock]]
* [[Max]]
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Nurse Joy]]
* Announcer (Seiyū: 堀川仁 ''Jin Horikawa'')
* Pokémon coordinators
* Audience

== Pokémon ==
* {{p|Pikachu}} ([[Ash's Pikachu|Ash's]])
* {{p|Meowth}} ([[Meowth (Team Rocket)|Team Rocket]])
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ([[Jessie's Wobbuffet|Jessie's]])
* {{p|Mime Jr.}} ([[James's Mime Jr.|James's]])
* {{p|Sceptile}} ([[Ash's Sceptile|Ash's]])
* {{p|Combusken}} ([[May's Blaziken|May's]]; evolves)
* {{p|Blaziken}} ([[May's Blaziken|May's]], newly evolved)
* {{p|Eevee}} ([[May's Eevee|May's]])
* {{p|Charmeleon}}
* {{p|Weedle}}
* {{p|Pidgey}}
* {{p|Rattata}}
* {{p|Spearow}}
* {{p|Sandshrew}}
* {{p|Nidoran♀}}
* {{p|Jigglypuff}}
* {{p|Clefairy}}
* {{p|Zubat}}
* {{p|Oddish}}
* {{p|Gloom}}
* {{p|Paras}}
* {{p|Venonat}}
* {{p|Growlithe}}
* {{p|Poliwag}}
* {{p|Abra}}
* {{p|Tentacool}}
* {{p|Doduo}}
* {{p|Seel}}
* {{p|Magikarp}}
* {{p|Noctowl}}
* {{p|Hoppip}}
* {{p|Wooper}}
* {{p|Octillery}}

= Trivia =
* An alternate cut of 私、負けない！～ハルカのテーマ～ ''[[I won't lose! ~Haruka's theme~]]'' is used as background music during May's appeal.
* An alternate cut of ''[[Spurt!]]'' is used as background music during Ash's appeal.
* ''[[Pokémon Symphonic Medley]]'' is used as background music during the battle between Ash and May.
* May's Combusken and Blaziken are both listed in the credits separately, as they have different voice actors.
* The flag on the Team Rocket mecha depicts a variant of the [[wp:Flag of Japan|Flag of Japan]] and [[wp:Mount Fuji|Mount Fuji]].

== Errors ==
== Dub edits ==

= In other languages =

{{epstub}}

{{EpisodePrevNext|
prevlink=AG189 |
prevtitle=AG189: Pace - The Final Frontier! |
nextlink=AG191 |
nexttitle=AG191: Home is Where the Start Is |
series=Advanced Generation |
episodelist=List of Advanced Generation episodes }}
{{Project Anime notice}}
[[Category:Advanced Generation episodes]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Junki Takegami]]
[[Category:Episodes storyboarded by Takenori Kawada]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Masahiko Watanabe]]
[[Category:Episodes animated by Izumi Shimura]]
[[Category:Episodes with contests]]
[[ja:AG編第190話]]