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Talk:Sinnoh myths

2014-01-03T19:09:14Z

DevaGolgotha: /* Plate myths */ new section

Just wanted to point out that since the game is set in a place based on Japan, the mythology would tend to be of Far Eastern inspiration. Obviously much of Eastern religion (especially Buddhism) can be said to share the common heritage of Indian mythology (as in the most obvious case of Fujin). Interesting. [[User:Earlgrey|Earl Grey]]

==Citations==
Excuse me, but could the guy who wrote this please cite his/her sources so we know that this is the real deal and not just fanfiction? [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 08:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:Hey Manga-in-a-bottle; all the myths in this article and all the content that goes with it is directly quoted from the game data. All of this information is in the books on the third floor of the Canalave Library. [[User:bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]]

Zhen-lin posted it from the game data, right on the messageboard. >_> --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 08:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh... stupid me... ^_^; *goes and hides in the closet* [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 11:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

==Unown==
Where would the text from the Unown cave in Solaceon go? Or would that not be in this article?
:I'd say that goes in the article for the Solaceon Ruins, but I think it could fit great here, too. What does everyone else think?? [[User:bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]]

==Cosmic Egg Theory==
In [[Sinnoh myths#The Original Story|The Original Story]], the fact that [[Arceus (Pokémon)|the creator]] came out of an egg and existence started to exist, wouldn't that theory fall under the [[wp:Cosmic egg|cosmic egg]] theory? --[[User:Stinkoman|悪臭の人]] 22:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

==Merge??==
Can we merge this with [[Myths_and_legends_involving_legendary_Pokémon]] since the [[Legendary Pokémon]] page isn't as long now? Or was there another reason they were separate? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

==Um==
Does anyine have any info on the myths involved in Platinum? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 20:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:I see the myth Cynthia states in the Distortion World is on the page, which is good. I, however, have Cynthia's chat she shares with the player after he/she beats the Elite Four and visits the Celestic Town Cave Painting once more. (I've been able to get her to repeat the chat several times, so it's a repeatable event.) Basically, she provides her interpretation of what Giratina's power is, and she says that there must be a Pokémon stronger than Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina (meaning Arceus). She says that the cave painting can be seen as the Lake Trio surrounding one of the dragon trio, or it can be seen as the dragon trio surrounding Arceus (though she never mentions Arceus by name). So, if it would please this site, I could give you the whole conversation to add to the page (since I honestly have no clue how to myself, and don't want to try, only to mess up the page.) xD [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:56, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nevermind - added to the page. If anyone finds this doesn't fit here, feel free to move it to wherever it best fits. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 19:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus' Myth ==

Is the text on this page a translation of the Japanese, or is it taken directly from the English game? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 02:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== Veilstone's Myth ==

In the notes section of Veilston'es Myth, it says that the Pokemon in question may be Giratina or Spiritomb. However, I think that it may be Shaymin, because it says that "the Pokémon disappeared to a place beyond seeing". [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 00:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it may be Cobalion, or one of the other musketeer legends, and the 'place beyond seeing would be unova, a place that literally couldn't be seen by people from sinnoh in medieval times. (assuming it is medieval times, hence the sword.) [[User:Wind|Wind]] 18:26, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that makes sense, including the fact that the musketeers are hiding from people. But I don't think that the people who developed DP already knew about Cobalions existence. So... I don't think it's a Gen V Pokémon. [[User:TyraniThrone|Tyrani]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|Throne]] 18:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Plate myths ==

On one of the plates, I noticed it said, "The power of defeated giants infuses this Plate." I don't know if it has significance, or how relevant this page is, but who would Arceus have defeated in creating the plates? I don't think it fought the creation trio in the game's canon.[[User:DevaGolgotha|DevaGolgotha]] ([[User talk:DevaGolgotha|talk]]) 19:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Kyurem (Pokémon)

2012-04-29T22:24:13Z

DevaGolgotha: /* White Kyurem's Picture */ new section

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==Third version==
Before anyone else decides to talk about it, yeah, I'm pretty much gonna guarantee it being the mascot of BW's third version. No further discussion on this. Until we get the announcement and boxart. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
:Unfair. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_unique_type_combinations&action=historysubmit&diff=1189335&oldid=1189330 I already did that].--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

What will be the name of the third game?
- Pokémon White Version Reshiram
- Pokémon Black Version Zekrom
- Pokémon Grey Version Kyurem

It could be, don't ya think?Sakas 19:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe
:Didn't TTE just say "no further discussion on this"? That's speculation and belongs on the forums, not here. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

You are bad for people. You want something related to "discussion" you'll have it: Where is the Official artwork of Ken Sugimori? Happy? {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
:There is no Sugimori artwork yet for the non-pre-release Pokemon. But that doesn't belong here on Kyurem's talk. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

==Norse==
"It may also be based on the {{wp|Wyvern}} of {{wp|Norse}} mythology, said to wreck havoc in {{wp|Ragnarök}}, the end of the world, should it melt from the ice it was imprisoned in."

That's what I've been told. Anyone able to confirm/dismiss that? {{unsigned|Yurtablemoron}}
:Nope, not true. - [[User:050294|050294]] 14:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

That's basically what Reshiram is (minus the ice) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the norsh myth theory also perhaps it has connections to Fimbulvetr? The harsh winter where men will wage ceaseless war against each other
and brothers will kill each other= the two brothers using Regish and Zec sound plausible? [[User:Frosslass|Frosslass]] 12:47, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Overworld Sprite==
I don't think this sentence in the physiology section is necessary: "It should be noted that on its overworld sprite, the left part of its overall bodyparts is somehow broken and smaller than the right part." The smaller part is correct, sure, but it isn't broken--it's just smaller because of the perspective. Same goes for its forward-facing battle sprite. At the very least, "overall bodyparts" should be changed to just "body." [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Feelings? ==

Out of curiosity, how is Kyurem a "Feelings Pokémon"? I think that 境界 ''kyoukai'' (boundary) would make more sense than 胸懐 ''kyoukai'' (heart/feelings). Though, there's the possibility that "Kyoukai" could be from 鏡 ''kyou'' (mirror) and 灰 ''kai'' (gray/grey/ash/griseous). [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 08:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

:The in-game description, according to Veekun, is きょうかい . Compare it to Reshiram's はくよう (white yang) and Zekrom's こくいん (black yin), and we may find something. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 06:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

== Kyurem Origin ==

As Zekrom and Reshiram are both based on types of energy, is it possible that Kyurem is based on {{wp|Cold Fusion}}? --[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 07:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
:Sigh... Cold Fusion has nothing to do with ice. It's a theoretical variation on a typical fusion reaction which can be done at or near ROOM TEMPERATURE. I removed this origin already, but it keeps getting added. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:52, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Kyurem's page says that it '''is''' an extraterrestrial Pokemon. But it isn't expressly stated that he arrived on that meteor- it's only a legend, same as Clefairy. Neither is there any mention of Kyurem's name in the game when discussing it. Shouldn't it say "'''may be''' an extraterrestrial Pokemon", or something similar? [[User:Soma K.|Soma K.]] 21:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

== Kyurem's Tail Resembles..... ==
- Reshiram's Tail resembles a Jet Engine
- Zekrom's Tail resembles an Electric Generator

But we still don't know what Kyurem's tail looks like. Any ideas?[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 02:25, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
:A Plug! look at how it's shaped and then look at the lightbulb things on it's wings [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::Doesn't looks like one to me. :/ [[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 08:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::: Looks like a plug to me - it's got [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/22/Spr_b_g5_646.png three] prongs, like [http://www.advin.com/plug-USA-W512.JPG this]. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 15:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not quite like that image, it does have three prongs though it looks more like one of those plastic pizza tables they use to hold the box up then a plug... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 19:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
:::: Could be a bunch of icicles (imagine the tail pointing down to the ground) --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 01:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::: A plug: http://www.reuk.co.uk/Dual-Powered-Lighting-Circuit.htm Scroll down to the first image. [[User:Don't Hug Lucario!|Don't Hug Lucario!]] 16:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Looks like a glacure.[[User:WWWAJG|WWWAJG]] 22:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon.jp Pokedex pic ==

I'm thinking it would be a good replacement for the current infobox picture, which not only is tiny, but comes up all pixellated in its file description area. I can't extract from a Flash-based site or upload here, but I know there's people who can. [[User:Silverlucario|Frezgle]] 19:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== National PokeDex ==

Other than the event legendarie, Kyurem (And Landorus), according the the guide books, are NOT required to complete the National PokeDex. Why it is like this is what I d0on't lnow, since Kyurem can be caught in any copy of B/W, and Landorus not being required is also unusual because Tornadus and Thundurus are, which both ultimately unlock Landorus anyways. Would it be worth trivia for both of them? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 14:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

== shiny sprite ==

Kyurem is grey and it's shiny sprite is -black and white- with the eye color being a combined version of Zekrom's red eyes and Reshiram's blue eyes, notable? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 19:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
: I don't think, but wait for more opinions --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 21:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

== Um...... ==

It is currently the final officially-revealed Pokémon in National Pokédex order.
Huh? --[[User:K4kirin|K4kirin]] 08:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
:Kyurem is the last Pokémon in the Pokédex. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:40, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
::Keldeo, Meloettea and Genesect haven't been officially revealed to the public yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== New Movie? ==

Oha Suta has revealed a teaser trailer for a movie, it appears that Kyurem and the Musketeer Quartet will be in it.
[http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vHEgvv8LEjE Pokémon Movie 15-Kyurem VS. The Sacred Swordsman Teaser Trailer]
--[[User:Flying Bidoof|Flying Bidoof]] 12:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
*We know, its in Kyurem's 'In the anime' section. and the page is already being made: [[M15]] {{unsigned|AquaMaster}}

== Ideals, truth and dreams. ==

Drayden told me the third one (dreams) is also in this row (so it would be Kyurem's one). Adding? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 16:24, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
:Still speculation at the moment. Better to leave it out until is is officially associated with dreams. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:40, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

== Imprison Level ==

Do you consider it noteworthy that the levels at which Kyurem (and by extension Reshiram and Zekrom) attempt(s) to learn Imprison are 8 and 64? 8² = 64 and so the root of 64 is eight. Since the games draw some inspiration from mathematics, as seen in N, N's Themes and the boats in Castelia City this might be programmed in intentionally.

[[User:Renoir|Renoir]] 23:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

== New Forms ==

Looks like Kyurem gets two new forms: [[Image:M15_poster.png|thumb]] [[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 23:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's been confirmed that the formes are Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Types are waiting for confirmation, although I've heard a couple websites saying that Black Kyurem is Dragon/Electric and White Kyurem is Dragon/Fire. --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 01:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::The usual Bulbapedia protocol is to wait for official sources before we add new info. So until that happens we're gonna wait it out. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Um isn't Pokemon Smash an official source?? Cuz the forms were revealed on there.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 01:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::I've read that they will be Ice/Electric and Ice/Fire respectively, but that makes more sense. We must all wait and see...--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 01:20, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::I was referring to the types not the forms themselves. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::They '''are''' going to be Ice/Electric and Ice/Fire, i've just realized. Firstly, look at the new logos, they have Ice crytals with the second types color on them. Also look at the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Kyurem_forms.png full picture] there is ice encroaching all over the old B/W background. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 03:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Guys... remember this page is to discuss how to improve the article, not to speculate or add your own personal thoughts on what types Kyurem's forms might be. Please take other such discussions to the forums. Thanks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think it's appropriate to put the artwork for the new forms in the infobox for Kyurem until we know more about them. [[User:ThomasWinwood|ThomasWinwood]] 09:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:: ^this. Masuda confirmed that Black Kyurem and White Kyurem are seperate Pokémon so I'm perplexed as to why Black Kyurem is even the infobox image on the Kyurem page. [[User:Ewkay|Ewkay]] 11:00, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::He didn't really confirm anything but their names, the way he structured the sentence however could be taken either way. I think we should leave Black Kyurem and White Kyurem on the Kyurem page unless they come out and explicitly state that they are completely new Pokemon with new Pokedex numbers.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 14:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::He said specifically though that they '''are''' the names of the new Pokémon. But to reply to {{u|Kenji-girl}}, I'm mostly trying to apply logic to it. Im not giving random-ass guesses, but giving logical, evidence based ones, to better the page.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 15:08, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::A guess is still a guess whether logical or not and it should be reserved for the forums. What we do is wait for them to tell us what they are. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
"There is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White. There was the same type of placeholder data for Rotom, Giratina, and Shaymin in Diamond and Pearl." - Could an admin expand on this now, explaining how its two new forms have been revealed? ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 09:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I also think it would be worth noting that Kyurem is the first Pokemon to be the version mascot of two games in the same generation.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Oh and of course editing the top of the page to say he is the version mascot of both Black 2 and White 2.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:03, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::Until new info comes out I don't think that either of those are going to be added for now. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 17:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Art Descriptions ==

For Kyurem's alternate formes, why does it say "Art by Ken Sugimori from Black 2", etc.? For every other released Pokémon, it says something like "Art by Ken Sugimori from Ruby ''and Sapphire''", even for a version exclusive like Groudon. [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 21:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Mostly because I was confused by the switch. D: There would be three image switches, and two different captions. I didn't want it to end up with BW art and saying "Art from Black and White 2", and I also didn't want to be redundant and have Black White 2 be listed twice. But I have nothing against someone using both titles for the artworks. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==Placeholder==
In the trivia, what do you mean by "placeholder data for alternative formes"? [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 22:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Kyurem had no alternate forms in BW, when a pokemon has no alternate forms they are given a value of Zero in that "section", Kyurem had a Value of one implying that we would see more forms.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 22:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== splitting ==

I suggest splitting the article into white kyurem,black kyurem,and kyurem.But not until we know more the first two.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 12:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:I think that's what we plan to do...--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
::They are simply Formes, and we have never given alternate Formes their own articles before. If we do, we will be giving Origin Forme Giratina and Sky Forme Shaymin articles too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::While I agree that simply giving each form maybe a small section on the page, wouldn't Primal Dialga count as an alternate forme of Dialga? [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 12:57, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Primal Dialga ultimately counts as a separate ''character'', not a separate form. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:05, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::Ah, alright then. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 13:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Forms that appear to be the fusion of Kyurem and Zekrom/Reshiram. For all we know, they could be getting treated like entirely new Pokemon instead of forms, with their own Pokedex entries and everything. At this point it is all speculation --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 18:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I agree with you there, Snorlax! If we did give each forme its own page, we'd have to have a page for each of Deoxys' different formes, as well as Rotom, Arceus (though it technically doesn't change formes, just coloring and type), Castform, and all of the other Pokémon that have the ability to change forme, which would seriously be going '''WAY''' overboard! [[User:Pikachu9000|Pikachu]][[User talk:Pikachu9000|9000]] 20:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't thinking about that when I suggested it.I guess it is a bad idea.Except we still don't know if they actually are forms.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 22:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
: I know Serebii is a seconhand source, and wouldn't dream of asking you to post this on the article without anything better, but [http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/661226-pokemon-black-version-2/62110120/692585765 he says they are just alternate formes]. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 23:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:They have never added a Pokemon midway through a generation. If this was Gen VI they would be advertising that.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 15:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

What about arceus?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
:Arceus was in the code for Diamond and Pearl. It was not added mid-way through the generation. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:33, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

I thought they were not forms of Kyurems? They said it was two new/different Pokemon? Also, should you use this picture on the article, as this is what it shows in the anime? like you do with the Castform, and Rotom?
[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/c3/646Kyurem.png]? [[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 19:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:Masuda tweeted and stated that they were called 'Black Kyurem' and 'White Kyurem'. I never heard anyone mention that they were different Pokemon. [[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] 20:10, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
::We hardly know ''anything'' for sure. We know for sure they're Kyurem, and that's it. They've mentioned "separate Pokémon" but if I recall, they said the same thing about almost every form (Rotom for example). So until we know more than just what they look like, and the names of the games, let's not jump any guns, sharks, etc.. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
*we should use [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/c3/646Kyurem.png] this as the main picture though, cause this is the form which is in the anime etc, can it be changed?[[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 20:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:::For the record, we are not simply relying on Masuda's tweets. Other things like the press releases for the US and Europe and the official teaser trailer have also called them Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

*I think from the trailer, there was a legend which Kyurem was lent the Power from Zekrom and Reshiram under circumstances, from what I can understand, in which the Swordsman did not agree. [[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 14:43, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== Anime images ==

There's now anime pics for [[a:File:White Kyurem anime.png|White]] and [[a:File:Black Kyurem anime.png|Black]] Kyurem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

== Categories ==
Someone who has permission (probably an admin) should add Kyurem to the "Version Mascot" category, since that's about the only thing we know for sure about these new games.[[User:SidStarkiller|SidStarkiller]] 22:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== New forme names ==
The new names for the formes have to be added into the article. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Forme Typing? ==

I saw on Serebii that the types for each of kyurems formes has been revealed. Aaaaaaaaaand it's the same. So what should be said about this?
:They should put them down. Plus, Black Kyurem's 10'10", while White Kyurem's 11'10". Plus, both formes are 325kg (716.5lb)[[User:KirbyRider|KirbyRider]] 00:22, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
::None of that info will be added without an official source. We will not under any circumstances permit theft of information from Serebii. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:::The information wasn't from Serebii, they just reported on it, here ya go. [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 23:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
::::While I realise that they are images, PokeBeach are ''not'' a suitable source either. Fortunately, I was able to fine these two images on Amazon.com, which actually seem to be slightly different. [http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/91DQpVrkUWL._AA1500_.jpg 1] [http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/91j6uwoyIYL._AA1500_.jpg 2]. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B007KWR1H6/ref%3Dnosim/bestgate-22
They look identical to me, this is where serebii and pokebeach both got it from.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 04:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

== Wendigo? ==

I recently say a picture of a monster called "Wendigo," a winter spirit of starvation and cannibalism. It also looks like White Kyurem. Could White Kyurem be based off it? the winter part reflects Kyurem's ice type, the starvation part could be why White Kyurem is so skinny, and the cannibalism could be why Kyurem is said to eat other Pokemon and people. Here is a picture of a Wendigo, from myexistenz.com [http://www.myexistenz.com/x/article15/article1/Wendigo.jpg] [[User:Khimerami|Khimerami]] 18:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think it's related to the Wendigo. The Wendigo is basically a monster from Indian legends (or so I have heard). It has differing descriptions, and I've seen a lot of other pictures depicting something different. [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 19:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:: No, Wendingo isn't related to the Indian legends. {{tt|*|I'm a "Hindu" :( }} [[User:Poke.geek|'''P''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''okége''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|'''ek''']] 19:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
::: Sorry, that's what I thought. Or so I heard. [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 02:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:::: Legendary Pokémon are based on all sorts of myths from various cultures, why should that matter? Anyway, wikipedia mentions that the Wendigo mainly possessed or transformed humans, and especially prefers cannibals. It doesn't really mention the Wendigo itself carrying off humans away to eat, which is more or less what Kyurem did. So I'm not sure if there is that much relevance. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 03:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== Hmmm? ==

Are those ropes connecting Black/White Kyurem's generator thing to its back? Or is that energy? It's seen on the box art for Black and White 2. [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 22:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:The spikes on its shoulders extend and go into the "plugs" on its tail. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:39, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== Different cries? ==

If you watch the third video here: http://www.filb.de/1772 when Black Kyurem is sent out, it's using Zekrom's cry, rather than Kyurem's. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 09:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== White Kyurem forme change method revealed through M15 trailer? ==
[http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/swf/player/trailer120413_yokoku2.html This trailer from the official Pokémon movie website] shows Kyurem using an attack involving fire, which is speculated to be [[Ice Burn]]. After use, an orange ball of energy appears within its tail, it flies upward and becomes surrounded in an orange stream of energy and emerges as White Kyurem. Since it is from an official source (however, not directly linked to the games)i think it is worth mentioning.
[[User:Renoir|Renoir]] 17:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
:Since we don't know if it is Ice Burn and what caused it, it is best to leave it for now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

== White Kyurem's Picture ==

Should we really use White Kyurem's picture for the entirety of the page? I mean... regular Kyurem seems more neutral. [[User:DevaGolgotha|DevaGolgotha]] 22:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex

2012-04-29T22:16:18Z

DevaGolgotha: /* Participants */

[[File:Project Pokédex logo.png|right|200px]]
Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Project|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about '''Pokémon species'''. If you would like to help, please inquire on the [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]] or the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 Bulbapedia forum] and see the [[{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}/To-do list]].

==Project Pokédex==
===Scope and aims===
'''Project Pokédex''' covers all articles about Pokémon species. Its goal is to produce the most comprehensive database on all Pokémon, from basic information on to the most technical aspects possible. It will also encompass any Pokémon Trading Card Game information, any relevant Anime information, and any other canon information which is relevant.

===Participants===
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* {{u|Chaos791}}-Eep, 3rd project joined... Helping out on Gen. V!
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* {{u|Porygonfan9999}} I am also new and good at spelling.
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* {{u|Goldex555}}
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* {{u|Zekasaur}} - I'm good with grammar errors and trivia. I have nearly all the games so I know a lot about history, etc.
* {{u|Miles77}} - Know just about everything from Gen. 1 to Gen. IV!
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* {{u|keekk1}} - I know alot about pokemon and I strive to complete the pokedex.
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*{{u|Absol 4}}- I love to contribute trivia.
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*{{u|Empoleman13}}- My strength is Generation IV so I'll help with those
*{{u|Staraptor5018}}
*{{u|superpokes12}} I know everything from generation I
*[[User:Jaydoney|Jaydoney]] 19:35, 12 January 2011 (UTC)I can help with SoulSilver
*{{u|Arceus123}} I have a lot of Pokémon and have PT,PR2 and SS. Good with legendaries and Johto,Sinnoh,Almia and Kanto.
*{{u|Han Ji-Wan}} I will help to make sure the structure is the same for all Pokemon. And I'll edit anything that need to be changed.
* {{u|Lazer}}-I have extensive knowledge on this subject. I expecially like trivia.
* The Alphamon. I'll search around, and make things more specific
* {{u|Alphantom}} - I'll add to the Trivia section.
* {{u|RenegadeScizor}}I'll add to anything new.
*{{u|TyraniThrone}} I'm very good at grammar and spelling.
* {{u|S and T}} I'm not familiar with Wikicode, but I can do general editing, trivia, and Diamond and Platinum
*{{u|Lightningempoleon}} I'll correct errors for all Pokémon.
* {{u|Swoobat}} I'll update some verious generation 5 things.
* {{u|Toxicroak}} I'll contribute to trivia.
* {{u|mudkipmaster}} I could contribute with little fix-ups or trivia add-ins.
* {{u|squirtlefan123}} I don't know why all the other sites have the English Unova names but we don't.
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* {{u|Bulba324}} I well strengthen some Generation 5 stuff, and I'm also updating misc.
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* {{u|DevaGolgotha}}

===Structure===
The best example articles for structure are {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, and {{p|Squirtle}}.

The Pokémon species articles are increasingly complex. However, to keep articles organized, the names, order and content of the sections should be according to the model below.

'''Refer to this model frequently when adding sections to a Pokémon species article, as the names, order and content of sections are all being standardized in all species articles. If you would like to update the model, please do so with regard to both the flow of the article and the standards set forth in Bulbapedia's {{bp|manual of style}}. Please consult other participants of the project on the talk page before making major changes to the model, particularly any regrouping or reorganizing of categories.'''

====Article model====

=====Full=====
The article should start off with the [[Template:PokémonPrevNext]] bar, followed by the Pokémon Infobox, followed by a general description of the Pokémon, including any special points (such as if it's a starter Pokémon in any games), a brief description of its abilities, and levels or ways in which the Pokémon evolves.

After this, it can be broken into three sections: general information, game statistics, and other information. Note that it is not broken down into these three sections within the articles themselves. Also note that the text for sections should not be indented within the text editor - it is merely indented here to aid in showing the hierarchy of sections.

'''General information'''
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'''<nowiki>==Biology==</nowiki>'''
 Information in these subsections '''must''' be derived from a canon source, such as the Pokédex entries or the Pokémon anime. '''All speculative information will be removed.''' 
:'''<nowiki>===Physiology===</nowiki>'''
:A description of the Pokémon's physical structure, possible related Pokémon based on similarities, and any physical adaptations the Pokémon has made to its surroundings. Physical variations among members or groups of the species can also be noted here.
::'''<nowiki>====Gender differences====</nowiki>'''
::Any notable difference between males and females in the species, as one would note by comparing the Diamond and Pearl sprites. Alternate gender counterparts, such as with the two genders of Nidoran, are also linked to in this section.
:'''<nowiki>===Special abilities===</nowiki>'''
:A description of any unusual or elemental abilities the Pokémon often displays, such as those related to its elemental type. This is not a place for listing its [[ability]], despite the name; the ability should only be mentioned if it is relevant to this topic.
:'''<nowiki>===Behavior===</nowiki>'''
:A description of the Pokémon's behavior, both in the wild and after being captured.
:'''<nowiki>===Habitat===</nowiki>'''
:A description of regions where the Pokémon is commonly found.
:'''<nowiki>===Diet===</nowiki>'''
:'''<nowiki>''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''</nowiki>'''
:All articles should link to the Pokémon food article rather than detail diet characteristics considered universal among Pokémon. Instead, this section should contain a description of any notable or unusual points about the Pokémon's diet. Use <nowiki>{{main|Pokémon food}}</nowiki> for this part.
'''<nowiki>==In the anime==</nowiki>'''
 Only added if the Pokémon appears in the anime. Please link to the Pokémon anime article at the start of this section.
 First, any details about the Pokémon species exclusive to the anime. Then, any episodes, movies, and specials from the Pokémon anime where the Pokémon has made an appearance, and a detailed description of their importance and role. For recurring Pokémon, only their first appearance, last appearance, and any particularly important appearances should be listed, with links to the specific Pokémon's article where further details can be found. Appearances should be listed chronologically, regardless of importance. 
'''<nowiki>==In the manga==</nowiki>'''
 Only added if the Pokémon appears in a manga series.
 This section should be broken down by manga series, divided and listed in the order of Pokémon Adventures, Electric Tale of Pikachu, Magical Pokémon Journey, Pokémon Chamo-Chamo ☆ Pretty ♪, and then any other Pokémon manga.
 For each series: Please link to the series in the subsection header. First, any details about the Pokémon species exclusive to that manga series. Then, volumes of Pokémon manga in which the Pokémon has made an appearance, and a detailed description of their importance and role. For recurring Pokémon, only their first appearance, last appearance, and any particularly important appearances should be listed, with links to the specific Pokémon's article where further details can be found. Appearances should be listed chronologically, regardless of importance. 
'''<nowiki>==In the TCG==</nowiki>'''
 Only added if the Pokémon appears in the TCG. Please link to the Pokémon Trading Card Game article at the start of this section.
 All cards in the TCG featuring members of the Pokémon species. Details universal to all of the Pokémon's cards may be added, but essentially, this section should be more or less a list with links to the cards' articles themselves. (To expand said card articles, please see the {{bp|Project TCG}}.) 
'''<nowiki>==In the TFG==</nowiki>'''
 Only added if the Pokémon appears in the TFG. Please link to the Pokémon Trading Figure Game article at the start of this section.
 All figures in the TFG featuring members of the Pokémon species. Details universal to all of the Pokémon's figures may be added, but essentially, this section should be more or less a list with links to the figures' articles themselves. (To expand said figure articles, please see the {{bp|Project TFG}}.) 
'''<nowiki>==Other appearances==</nowiki>'''
 Places where the Pokémon has been featured in non-Pokémon canon, such as the Super Smash Bros. series. Only added if the Pokémon appears outside of canon. If there is an article on the series in Bulbapedia, please link to it in the subsection header. Otherwise, please link to the appropriate article on Wikipedia in the subsection header.

'''Game statistics'''
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'''<nowiki>==Game data==</nowiki>'''
:'''<nowiki>===NPC appearances===</nowiki>'''
:Details of Pokémon in all games (sans Smash Bros. series) which are seen but cannot be caught. Only add as necessary.
:'''<nowiki>===Pokédex entries===</nowiki>'''
:A list of the Pokédex entries for the Pokémon in every game which it appears. Please link to the different games' articles, coupling the paired games when the information for them is the same, as well as the Pokédex article itself. 
:'''<nowiki>===Game locations===</nowiki>'''
:Details on the location and rarity of Pokémon in the primary games. Please link to the different games' articles, coupling the paired games when the information for them is the same, as well as the Rarity article. Please link to all locations named in the table, since articles will have the specific rates of appearance for the area. Named locations are listed first in order of appearance in the game, followed by Routes in numerical order with each number linking to the appropriate route. Different methods of capturing, such as in the wild versus fishing, have a break between them.
::'''<nowiki>====In side games====</nowiki>'''
::Details on the location in non-standard games like Pokémon Snap, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, and Pokémon Ranger. Please have the games in a bulleted list with details. For the Stadium games, assume regular rental Pokémon are common knowledge; do not add it to the list unless it has more information about its appearance, such as prizes, special Pokémon, ones in minigames, or if the moveset information for rentals within the individual Cups is provided as well.
:'''<nowiki>===Base statistics===</nowiki>'''
:The Pokémon's base statistics, presented in a bar graph form. 
:''Note: This section may be undergoing changes soon, due to complaints about the bar graph format.'' 
:'''<nowiki>===Type effectiveness===</nowiki>'''
:How well types affect the Pokémon, based on its own type and base stats. Currently, all articles should follow the DP Type Effectiveness format.
:'''<nowiki>===Learnset===</nowiki>'''
:Moves the Pokémon can learn. ''Sections should not be added if the Pokémon learns no moves in such a manner. In particular, this applies to the Special moves subsection - do not add this section to an article if there are currently no moves the Pokémon can learn through a special method.''
::'''<nowiki>====By leveling up====</nowiki>'''
::Table format.
::'''<nowiki>====By TM/HM====</nowiki>'''
::Table format.
::'''<nowiki>====By breeding====</nowiki>'''
::Table format. For each, please list all potential fathers which the Pokémon can inherit the move from. Do not, however, clutter the article with descriptions of how the fathers can learn the move. Instead, link to the father's article - details on how the father can learn the move should be listed on that article.
::'''<nowiki>====By tutoring====</nowiki>'''
::Table format.
::'''<nowiki>====Special moves====</nowiki>'''
::Any techniques which a Pokémon can learn in a special way, like Pikachu's Surf or a move learned after purification in Pokémon XD.
:'''<nowiki>===Side game data===</nowiki>'''
:Table format. Note any factors that differ between species as well as any equivalent to Pokédex entries that the game may have.
:'''<nowiki>===Evolution===</nowiki>'''
:The Pokémon's detailed evolution chain, shown as different sprites in boxes.
:'''<nowiki>===Sprites===</nowiki>'''
:Sprites of the Pokémon from all [[main series]] games, using the {{template|Sprite}} template.

'''Other information'''
----

'''<nowiki>==Trivia==</nowiki>'''
 Any facts which do not fit well into any other section. This includes beta names and relations to any glitch Pokémon, such as if a glitch uses pieces of its sprite or will evolve into it. Leave out the section if there is no trivia. 
:'''<nowiki>===Origin===</nowiki>'''
:Plants, animals, myths, and anything else which may have served as inspiration for the Pokémon's design.
::'''<nowiki>====Name origin====</nowiki>'''
::Possible base words and inspirations for the Pokémon's name in English and Japanese.
'''<nowiki>==In other languages==</nowiki>'''
:The Pokémon's name in languages besides English and Japanese. Possible base words and inspirations for these names may also be added.
'''<nowiki>==Related articles==</nowiki>'''
 A bulleted list of any relevant articles, such as specific characters of the Pokémon in the anime or manga. TCG and TFG link lists should remain in their own sections and not be included in this subsection. 
'''<nowiki>==Notes==</nowiki>'''
 A bulleted list of <ref> citations from the article. This list is automatically created by simply inserting the <tt><references/></tt> tag. 
'''<nowiki>==External links==</nowiki>'''
 A bulleted list of links to other pages, such as the Pokémon's entry on Wikipedia, or fan shrines for the Pokémon. Links to the Pokémon's entry in a Pokédex section of another website should be included in the infobox, not the external links section. 

After this, there should be another [[Template:PokémonPrevNext]] bar, followed by a [[Template:Project Pokédex notice]] box to finish the article.

=====Abbreviated=====
This format is for quick reference, when checking to see if an article matches the model. Headers which are in bold are required for all articles. Other headers should only be added when applicable.
'''==Biology=='''
'''===Physiology==='''
'''====Gender differences===='''
'''===Special abilities==='''
'''===Behavior==='''
'''===Habitat==='''
'''===Diet==='''
'''<nowiki>{{main|Pokémon food}}</nowiki>'''
==In the anime==
===Pokédex entries===
==In the manga==
==In the TCG==
==In the TFG==
==Other appearances==
'''==Game data=='''
===NPC appearances===
'''===Pokédex entries==='''
'''===Game locations==='''
'''====In side games===='''
===Held Items===
'''===Base statistics==='''
'''===Type effectiveness==='''
'''===Learnset==='''
====By leveling up====
====By TM/HM====
====By breeding====
====By tutoring====
====Special moves====
'''===Side game data==='''
'''===Evolution==='''
'''===Sprites==='''
==Trivia==
===Origin===
====Name origin====
==In other languages==
==Related articles==
==Notes==
==External links==

====Tables within the articles====
Basic formatting for a Pokémon species article table is as follows:

<nowiki>{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"</nowiki>
 |- style="background: #COLOR;"
 ! Heading
 ! Heading
 |-
 | Content
 | Content
 |}

Replace the "COLOR" with the template for the color code of the Pokémon's primary type - or, if their primary type is Normal and they have a secondary type, the color code of the Pokémon's secondary type. The template's name is the type name and "color". For example, <nowiki>{{grass color}}</nowiki> is the template for a Grass-type Pokémon.

===Goals===
# Expand Pokémon pages to have at least a paragraph of information about a Pokémon, preferably background information on that Pokémon. The {{p|Bulbasaur}} page is a good example of a simple introduction paragraph.
# Add all locations in all games, including the side games ([[Pokémon Snap]], [[Pokémon Pinball]], [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby/Sapphire]], [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]], [[Pokémon Trozei!]], and [[Pokémon Ranger]], to name some of the more important ones).
# Add all movelists.
# Add [[Pokédex]] text info from games, where applicable.
# Add Biology information to each Pokémon species article.
# Add information on any appearances in the anime, including the specific episodes.
# Add information on any appearances in all manga, including the series and volume.
# List all released cards of the Pokémon.

===Infoboxes===
When entering information into any of the infoboxes, make sure to preview before saving the page, to make sure that you've entered everything right. If you don't know something, leave it blank.
* {{Template|PokémonInfobox}}

{{PokémonInfoboxNoncat|
name=Bulbasaur |
pron=<sc>''bul''-buh-sore</sc> |
jname=フシギダネ |
tmname=Fushigidane |
art=FRLG |
size=160px|
ndex=001 |
oldjdex=226 |
jdex=231 |
hdex=203 |
fbrow=001 |
obrow=014 |
opbrow=004 |
typen=2 |
type1=Grass |
type2=Poison |
species=Seed |
height-ftin=2'04" |
height-m=0.7 |
weight-lbs=15.2 |
weight-kg=6.9 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Overgrow |
ability2= |
abilityd=Chlorophyll|
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2=Grass |
eggcycles=20 |
evsa=1 |
expyield=64 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=31 |
color=Green |
catchrate=45 |
body=08 |
generation=1 |
pokefordex=bulbasaur |
footnotes=}}
To make the infobox at the right appear in the article, paste this into it:
<pre>
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Bulbasaur |
pron=<sc>''bul''-buh-sore</sc> |
jname=フシギダネ |
tmname=Fushigidane |
art=FRLG |
size=160px|
ndex=001 |
oldjdex=226 |
jdex=231 |
hdex=203 |
fbrow=001 |
obrow=014 |
opbrow=004 |
typen=2 |
type1=Grass |
type2=Poison |
species=Seed |
height-ftin=2'04" |
height-m=0.7 |
weight-lbs=15.2 |
weight-kg=6.9 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Overgrow |
ability2= |
abilityd=Chlorophyll|
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2=Grass |
eggcycles=20 |
evsa=1 |
expyield=64 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=31 |
color=Green |
catchrate=45 |
body=08 |
generation=1 |
pokefordex=bulbasaur |
footnotes=}}
</pre>
Change all stats to those of the Pokémon in question.
 
*{{Template|Availability}}

{{Availability|
type=grass |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=One |
rbarea=[[Starter Pokémon]] from [[Professor Oak]] in [[Pallet Town]] |
yrarity=One |
yarea=Received from a girl in [[Cerulean City]] if {{p|Pikachu}}'s [[friendship]] is high enough |
gen2ex=rby|
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea=[[Starter Pokémon]] from [[Professor Oak]] in [[Pallet Town]] |
gen3ex=frlg|
dparea=[[Pal Park]] |
ptarea=[[Pal Park]] |
gen4ex=pal|
palarea=Field |
}}
To make the above appear, copy and paste what follows into the article:
<pre>
{{Availability|
type= |
gen= |
rbrarity= |
rbarea= |
yrarity= |
yarea= |
gsrarity= |
gsarea= |
crarity= |
carea= |
rsrarity= |
rsarea= |
erarity= |
earea= |
frlgrarity= |
frlgarea= |
colorarity= |
coloarea= |
xdrarity= |
xdarea= |
dprarity= |
dparea= |
ptrarity= |
ptarea= |
hgssrarity= |
hgssarea= |
palarea= |
}}
</pre>
Rarity and Area refer to how common or uncommon a Pokémon is. What precedes them are the initials of the versions that the specific instance applies to, [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|RB]], [[Pokémon Yellow Version|Y]], [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|GS]], [[Pokémon Crystal Version|C]], [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|RS]], [[Pokémon Emerald Version|E]], [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FRLG]], [[Pokémon Colosseum|Colo]], [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|XD]], [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|DP]], [[Pokémon Platinum Version|Pt]], [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HGSS]]. For example, whatever is entered into the frlgarea should be where the Pokémon can be found in FireRed and LeafGreen. Likewise, frlgrarity should be how rare the Pokémon is in FireRed and LeafGreen. If only one is found, such as is the case with {{p|Mewtwo}}, put "One". If it can only be found through evolution, put "None" and for the area prompt put "[[Evolution|Evolve]] (pre-evolution)", replacing (pre-evolution) with the name of the Pokémon it evolves from. Likewise, if it is only available through breeding, put "None" and in the area prompt put "[[Pokémon breeding|Breed]] (evolutions)", replacing (evolutions) with the Pokémon that must produce the egg.

Rarity defaults to "None", Area defaults to "[[Trade]]". Therefore, if it can only be found through [[Pal Park]] in Diamond and Pearl, this must be entered in the dparea prompt. If a Pokémon is only available in one of a pair of versions, put the version it is available in in parentheses after the area.

* {{Template|Dex}}

{{Dex
|type=grass
|redbluedex=A strange seed was planted on its back at birth. The plant sprouts and grows with this Pokémon.
|yellowdex=It can go for days without eating a single morsel. In the bulb on its back, it stores energy.
|golddex=The seed on its back is filled with nutrients. The seed grows steadily larger as its body grows.
|silverdex=It carries a seed on its back right from birth. As it grows older, the seed also grows larger.
|crystaldex=While it is young, it uses the nutrients that are stored in the seeds on its back in order to grow.
|rsedex=Bulbasaur can be seen napping in bright sunlight. There is a seed on its back. By soaking up the sun's rays, the seed grows progressively larger.
|firereddex=There is a plant seed on its back right from the day this Pokémon is born. The seed slowly grows larger.
|leafgreendex=A strange seed was planted on its back at birth. The plant sprouts and grows with this Pokémon.
|stadiumdex=The bulb-like pouch on its back grows larger as it ages. The pouch is filled with numerous seeds.
|stadium2dex=The seed on its back is filled with nutrients. The seed grows steadily larger as its body grows.
|colosseumdex=Lives in forests away from people. It stores electricity in its cheeks for zapping an enemy if it is attacked.
|dpptdex=For some time after its birth, it grows by gaining nourishment from the seed on its back.
|heartgolddex=The seed on its back is filled with nutrients. The seed grows steadily larger as its body grows.
|soulsilverdex=For some time after its birth, it grows by gaining nourishment from the seed on its back.
|bwdex=For some time after its birth, it grows by gaining nourishment from the seed on its back.
|}}
To make the above appear, copy and paste what follows in the article:
<pre>
{{Dex
|type=
|gen=
|redbluedex=
|yellowdex=
|golddex=
|silverdex=
|crystaldex=
|rubydex=
|sapphiredex=
|emeralddex=
|firereddex=
|leafgreendex=
|stadiumdex=
|stadium2dex=
|colosseumdex=
|xddex=
|diamonddex=
|pearldex=
|platinumdex=
|heartgolddex=
|soulsilverdex=
|bwdex=
|}}
</pre>
If an entry is unknown, delete the tag for it (that's the stuff between the | and the =, as well as the | and =). This will put the page into a category so that someone who knows what the entry is can put it in.

* {{template|Sprite}}
{{Sprite|
type=grass|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=001|
name=Bulbasaur|
}}
To make the above appear, copy and paste what follows in the article:
<pre>
{{Sprite
|type=
|gen=
|gender=
|ndex=
|name=
|}}
</pre>
Type should be the Pokémon's primary type. Gen should be the Pokémon's introduction generation (1 for Pokémon #001-151, 2 for Pokémon #152-251, 3 for Pokémon #252-386, 4 for Pokémon #387-493, or 5 for Pokémon #494-649). If the Pokémon has a gender difference, put 'both', otherwise put 'none'. Ndex should be the Pokémon's [[National Dex]] number, and name should be the name of the Pokémon.

Note: We have relatively few of the sprites uploaded to the Bulbagarden Archives. Please, if you can, try to upload some before adding the template to the page. Make sure, of course, to upload them to the correct, standardized filename.

===Other templates===
* {{Template|Project Pokédex notice}} -- to be used at the bottom of every Pokémon article.

{{Project Pokédex notice}}

* {{Template|User Project Pokédex}} -- for project participants to place in their user profile.

{{User Project Pokédex}}
 

==Other projects==
===Parent project===
This project has no parent project.

===Subprojects===
No subprojects have been defined.

===Related projects===
* [[Bulbapedia:Project MoveDex|Project MoveDex]]

[[Category:Bulbapedia projects|P]]

[[es:Pokéteca:Proyecto Pokédex]]
[[ja:ポケモンWiki:ポケモン図鑑プロジェクト]]

Team Dim Sun

2012-04-09T02:52:33Z

DevaGolgotha: /* Trivia */

{{incomplete}}
{{Team Infobox
|teamname=Team Dim Sun
|jpteamname=ヤミヤミ団
|tmteamname=Yamiyami-dan
|logo=Team Dim Sun logo.png
|image=Dim Sun Grunts.png
|caption=Artwork of Dim Sun grunts in Shadows of Almia
|leader=[[Blake Hall]]
|region=[[Almia]]
|admins=[[Kincaid]], [[Sinis Trio]]
|targets=[[Cargo Ship]], [[Altru Building]]
|hideout=[[Altru Tower]]
|border color={{poison color}}
|background color={{Cynthia color}}
|lightened color={{silver color}}
}}

'''Team Dim Sun''' (Japanese: '''ヤミヤミ団''' ''Yamiyami-dan'', literally ''Darkness Gang'') is the villainous team in [[Almia]] in the game [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]].

==Information==
{{spoiler}}

Operating under the guise of the oil company [[Altru Inc.]], Team Dim Sun advances a plot to control all the [[Pokémon]] in [[Almia]]. Their leader, [[Blake Hall]], works publicly as the President of Altru Inc. while living a double life as the head of Team Dim Sun. His goal is to enslave Almia's Pokémon and force them to produce limitless energy for his company.

In order to complete their plan, Team Dim Sun uses [[Gigaremo units]], large and bulky computers that can control the minds of Pokémon near their locations. These units were designed by Altru scientists over many years and fueled by shards of the {{DL|The King of Almia and the Three Princes|Shadow Crystal}} called ''Dark Shards''. Later, within one year, {{ra|Isaac}} helped them develop a smaller device called a [[Miniremo units|Miniremo unit]], and later, a gigantic, super powered Gigaremo called the [[Altru Tower|Incredible Machine]] that was fueled by the Shadow Crystal itself and could control all of Almia's Pokémon.

While their boss's identity is concealed until the end of the game, their underboss, [[Kincaid]], maintains a high profile, first as a teacher at the [[Ranger School]], where he secretly recruits students to the team's ranks, and later as a direct commander to lesser-ranked members. Three other members known as the [[Sinis Trio]] directly answer to Kincaid.

After the player has beaten the game and plays the special mission; Liberate the Tower, Team Dim Sun takes control of the Altru Building again, only this time under the name [[Team Debonairs]], with [[Kincaid]] as their leader. Though they have a new logo, they still use Miniremo units. They are planning on continuing where Blake Hall stopped. After the player beat Kincaid, Prof. Hastings tells Kincaid that his plans would have failed anyway. Team Debonairs is not seen after that.

Team Dim Sun also has special ops units. The Dim Sun Crimson Unit is under Lavana and worked with her to get the Red Gem. The Dim Sun Marine Unit was assigned to capture {{p|Wailord}} to replace the destroyed [[Cargo Ship]] and are based in the [[Oil Field Hideout]].

During the Special Missions and Extra Missions, some members of the team, known as Team Dim Sun Remnants, try to revive Team Dim Sun in various ways. Some members also joined Kincaid in the new [[Team Debonairs]].

==Pokémon==
===Controlled===
{| align="left" width="96px"
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Charmander|004.png|fire|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Beedrill|015.png|bug|poison|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Rattata|019.png|normal|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Vulpix|037.png|fire|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Golbat|042.png|poison|flying|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Gloom|044.png|grass|poison|size=96px|link=no}}
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Alakazam|065.png|psychic|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Machoke|067.png|fighting|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Machamp|068.png|fighting|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Victreebel|071.png|grass|poison|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Gengar|094.png|ghost|poison|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Koffing|109.png|poison|size=96px|link=no}}
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Weezing|110.png|poison|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Rhyhorn|111.png|ground|rock|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Kangaskhan|115.png|normal|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Horsea|116.png|water|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Seadra|117.png|water|size=96px|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Team Dim Sun|Starmie|121.png|water|psychic|size=96px|link=no}}
|}{{left clear}}

==Trivia==
* Team Dim Sun members receive a flag upon enrollment.
* Team Dim Sun had similar plans to [[Cipher]] in [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. Both of them have an undercover boss playing a major role in the region ([[Blake Hall]] as President of Altru and [[Mayor Es Cade]] ([[Evice]]) as Mayor), both build a tower incorporating into their plans ([[Altru Tower]] and [[Realgam Tower]]) and make Pokémon lose their memories ([[Shadow Pokémon]] and [[Gigaremo units]]). Also, they are final bosses of their respective games, and can be re-battled at will.
* 'Dim Sun' is possibly a reference to the style of Chinese food known as dim sum.
 
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