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Talk:Gem

2011-01-08T03:57:17Z

Desukaan563: /* S D */

==S D==
We should have an article, or an explanation, about this "swirling dust". I mean, what are they (i don't have BW) ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:59, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:Sometimes, when you're walking in a route or cave, randomly a piece of grass will start shaking or a pile of dust will show up, and you'll hear a noise. If you go and enter it without going off-screen or encountering a Pokémon, you'll either encounter a Pokémon(usually Tabunne in grass and Doryuzu in caves) or in caves, sometimes you'll get an item. They're the only place to find the Jewels as far as I know, but you can get rare items like stones from them too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
::I believe there is also dark spots on bridges. However, we do need a page about this. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Maybe, we could put an explanation on the Wild Pokémon encounter section, or it could be an article under the special tiles template. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Featured article candidate

2011-01-05T09:56:18Z

Desukaan563: /* Support (8) */

==[[Shiny Pokémon]]==__NOTOC__
====Support (8)====

*I think this is a good article about game mechanics, plus who doesn't like Shiny guys? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
* I agree. It looks as good as [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|Oak's lab]] or [[Ilex Forest shrine]]. Maybe some expert could make random shiny sprite(s) appear on article.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 08:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
** While I'm no expert, I made [[Talk:Shiny Pokémon#FAC talk request|a sample]] on the talk page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:07, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
***Good job SnorlaxMonster! Hey, how often does it change? Even if this artcile isn't nominated, we could still put this on the page. Oh, do u support nominating this article? --[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
**** It generates a random Pokémon by multiplying the total number of edits by the time in seconds (it also uses modulo to keep the number between 1 and 493). So it really changes every time you view the page, but you might have to hard refresh or purge the server's cache to see a change. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
*****Could u up it to 649 once BW comes out in english? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
* I support this wholeheartedly, it's a great article. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
* I support this because I believe it quite well written and it is a great article on the subject. --[[User:Laikue|User:Laikue]] 11:40, 08 December 2010 (CST)--
*Good article. [[User:A Person|A person]] wrote this at 00:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
*One of the best articles related with Pokémon on Bulbapedia... Amitrc7th 05:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
*Great article. Only one thing I could complain about, and it's not even that big of a complaint. Eliza 04:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
*Great article. I have visited many times and found it useful(which is what Bulbapedia is for right?) And besides, Shinies Are Awesome![[User:Arceus97|Arceus97]] 04:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
* Interesting article with solid information. Looks like a winner to me. --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 20:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

====Object (4)====

*Nah, it feels kind of...incomplete to me..like it could have more..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 14:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
**How so? I think it is quite interesting----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:39, 29 November 2010 (UTC).
* I feel like the sections on the side games are too short. While I know there isn't really much else to put there, it doesn't seem like good feature quality to have tiny subsections. The anime and TCG sections seem a little short, and there is no manga section; there must be Shiny Pokémon in at least one manga. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
**As far as I know of, the Red Gyarados is the only shiny guy in Adventures, and we could link to the [[Red Gyarados]] page for it. Besides, the magna is normally black and white, so it isn't much significance. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 02:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
***Crystal mentioned that she caught a differently colored Pokemon in one chapter..but that's just all we got from it...and even if it's in Black and White, it wouldn't hurt to put it there....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
****I don't know much about the magna, but if there is someone who does, could they write the section on it? That would be useful and improve the article, also it would be a good idea to link to the Red Gyarados article. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
*While the article seems mostly complete, I don't feel it's feature quality. The page format is plain, and the sections, and by extension the article as a whole, are really short. Feature articles should be pages which go above and beyond most others, and I don't think this one is up to snuff. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Well, like ＤＥＮＮＯＵＺＥＮＳＨ already said, it is as good as Ilex Forest shrine, and covers more games/generations.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
*No mention of Colosseum/XD shiny Pokemon, which can be vastly different from the main game shinys, for example Vileplume or Voltorb. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
*I felt that it should go into the pros and cons of hacking shiny Pokémon because someone offered me a hacked Shiny and I ''still'' don't know whether I should have accepted or if I should accept it in the future... Eliza 04:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
**Well, don't pay too highly for it. If it is a legend, it is worth a fairly common legend, if not, hacked would be worth someone fairly rare, though not that rare. I paid a Lv. 60 Honchcrow for a shiny pichu, who may or may not be hacked, but that gives u a basic idea. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
***A Shiny Pokémon hacked in the normal way should be identical to a legitimate one, except that they are often obtained where they cannot usually be obtained, so the location is often wrong. However, this information should not be added to the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
****Really hacked shinies hardly need a mention on the shiny page, more for the Bulbagarden Forums.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

====Other comments====

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2011-01-05T09:54:41Z

Desukaan563: /* Manga? */

==Ratio==
> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own IDtrainer, which can be seen, and secret IDsecret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret).
Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it [[personality value#Shininess|here]].
E is the amount of ''ID'' xor ''ID2'' (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is ''(the first 16 digits)'' xor ''(the second 16 digits)''. Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny.
But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and:
- if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0
- if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)
the result is 0.
Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits.
Both IDtrainer and IDsecret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well.
Now, when we did IDtrainer xor IDsecret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny.
The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[SS012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD YOURE FREAKING RIGHT!!!! I was surfing on the net and then found this videos!! you gotta watch them!!! this is gonna make us all have shiny pokemon in seconds!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for mencioning that, I would never know it!! Thank you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDM6YTICYdA&feature=Responses&parent_video=cqsch18fnG4&index=1 [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
: [http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960099/57737 this guide] (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?
::It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::: Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which [[PID]]s "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered '''lots''' of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. [[User:8o8 Dark|-- 8o8 Dark]] 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Marina.gif|[[Little Pink]]
File:AG138 126.jpeg|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==
Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

== The term "shiny" confirmed as official? ==

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about [[Masuda method]]. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu
Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Title Dispute ==
I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as [[Pink Butterfree]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

I think we ought to have a [[List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime]], in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:<s>Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth?</s> Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Don't we already have one? --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need {{tt|more|some}} Information about these Pokémon. Hell, ''I'' don't know what the Metegross from ''Noodle's: Roaming off!'' has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

I have saw a shiny {{p|Sharpedo}} on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny {{p|Bidoof}},(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== First gen. ==

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Colored vs Shiny ==

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's have a new vote. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's [[User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive10#Redirect|here]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So split it into 2 pages? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny vs. shiny ==

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for another source. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I do not understand: ''The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner.'' [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Stats ==

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences ==

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [http://www.pokewiki.de/Kecleon], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [http://www.pokewiki.de/Voltobal], Mantine is dark green [http://www.pokewiki.de/Mantax], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [http://www.pokewiki.de/Skaraborn], Staryu is green/brown [http://www.pokewiki.de/Sterndu], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}

==Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?==
Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Nominated for FAC!!!==
Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate ! What do u think? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==FAC talk request==

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In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

==Manga?==
I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Featured article candidate

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==[[Shiny Pokémon]]==__NOTOC__
====Support (8)====

*I think this is a good article about game mechanics, plus who doesn't like Shiny guys? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
* I agree. It looks as good as [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|Oak's lab]] or [[Ilex Forest shrine]]. Maybe some expert could make random shiny sprite(s) appear on article.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 08:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
** While I'm no expert, I made [[Talk:Shiny Pokémon#FAC talk request|a sample]] on the talk page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:07, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
***Good job SnorlaxMonster! Hey, how often does it change? Even if this artcile isn't nominated, we could still put this on the page. Oh, do u support nominating this article? --[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
**** It generates a random Pokémon by multiplying the total number of edits by the time in seconds (it also uses modulo to keep the number between 1 and 493). So it really changes every time you view the page, but you might have to hard refresh or purge the server's cache to see a change. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
* I support this wholeheartedly, it's a great article. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
* I support this because I believe it quite well written and it is a great article on the subject. --[[User:Laikue|User:Laikue]] 11:40, 08 December 2010 (CST)--
*Good article. [[User:A Person|A person]] wrote this at 00:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
*One of the best articles related with Pokémon on Bulbapedia... Amitrc7th 05:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
*Great article. Only one thing I could complain about, and it's not even that big of a complaint. Eliza 04:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
*Great article. I have visited many times and found it useful(which is what Bulbapedia is for right?) And besides, Shinies Are Awesome![[User:Arceus97|Arceus97]] 04:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
* Interesting article with solid information. Looks like a winner to me. --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 20:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

====Object (4)====

*Nah, it feels kind of...incomplete to me..like it could have more..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 14:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
**How so? I think it is quite interesting----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:39, 29 November 2010 (UTC).
* I feel like the sections on the side games are too short. While I know there isn't really much else to put there, it doesn't seem like good feature quality to have tiny subsections. The anime and TCG sections seem a little short, and there is no manga section; there must be Shiny Pokémon in at least one manga. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
**As far as I know of, the Red Gyarados is the only shiny guy in Adventures, and we could link to the [[Red Gyarados]] page for it. Besides, the magna is normally black and white, so it isn't much significance. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 02:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
***Crystal mentioned that she caught a differently colored Pokemon in one chapter..but that's just all we got from it...and even if it's in Black and White, it wouldn't hurt to put it there....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
****I don't know much about the magna, but if there is someone who does, could they write the section on it? That would be useful and improve the article, also it would be a good idea to link to the Red Gyarados article. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
*While the article seems mostly complete, I don't feel it's feature quality. The page format is plain, and the sections, and by extension the article as a whole, are really short. Feature articles should be pages which go above and beyond most others, and I don't think this one is up to snuff. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Well, like ＤＥＮＮＯＵＺＥＮＳＨ already said, it is as good as Ilex Forest shrine, and covers more games/generations.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
*No mention of Colosseum/XD shiny Pokemon, which can be vastly different from the main game shinys, for example Vileplume or Voltorb. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
*I felt that it should go into the pros and cons of hacking shiny Pokémon because someone offered me a hacked Shiny and I ''still'' don't know whether I should have accepted or if I should accept it in the future... Eliza 04:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
**Well, don't pay too highly for it. If it is a legend, it is worth a fairly common legend, if not, hacked would be worth someone fairly rare, though not that rare. I paid a Lv. 60 Honchcrow for a shiny pichu, who may or may not be hacked, but that gives u a basic idea. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
***A Shiny Pokémon hacked in the normal way should be identical to a legitimate one, except that they are often obtained where they cannot usually be obtained, so the location is often wrong. However, this information should not be added to the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
****Really hacked shinies hardly need a mention on the shiny page, more for the Bulbagarden Forums.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

====Other comments====

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Featured article candidate

2010-12-31T03:00:58Z

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==[[Shiny Pokémon]]==__NOTOC__
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*I think this is a good article about game mechanics, plus who doesn't like Shiny guys? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
* I agree. It looks as good as [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|Oak's lab]] or [[Ilex Forest shrine]]. Maybe some expert could make random shiny sprite(s) appear on article.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 08:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
** While I'm no expert, I made [[Talk:Shiny Pokémon#FAC talk request|a sample]] on the talk page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:07, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
***Good job SnorlaxMonster! Hey, how often does it change? Even if this artcile isn't nominated, we could still put this on the page. Oh, do u support nominating this article? --[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
**** It generates a random Pokémon by multiplying the total number of edits by the time in seconds (it also uses modulo to keep the number between 1 and 493). So it really changes every time you view the page, but you might have to hard refresh or purge the server's cache to see a change. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
* I support this wholeheartedly, it's a great article. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
* I support this because I believe it quite well written and it is a great article on the subject. --[[User:Laikue|User:Laikue]] 11:40, 08 December 2010 (CST)--
*Good article. [[User:A Person|A person]] wrote this at 00:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
*One of the best articles related with Pokémon on Bulbapedia... Amitrc7th 05:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
*Great article. Only one thing I could complain about, and it's not even that big of a complaint. Eliza 04:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

====Object (4)====

*Nah, it feels kind of...incomplete to me..like it could have more..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 14:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
**How so? I think it is quite interesting----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:39, 29 November 2010 (UTC).
* I feel like the sections on the side games are too short. While I know there isn't really much else to put there, it doesn't seem like good feature quality to have tiny subsections. The anime and TCG sections seem a little short, and there is no manga section; there must be Shiny Pokémon in at least one manga. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
**As far as I know of, the Red Gyarados is the only shiny guy in Adventures, and we could link to the [[Red Gyarados]] page for it. Besides, the magna is normally black and white, so it isn't much significance. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 02:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
***Crystal mentioned that she caught a differently colored Pokemon in one chapter..but that's just all we got from it...and even if it's in Black and White, it wouldn't hurt to put it there....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
****I don't know much about the magna, but if there is someone who does, could they write the section on it? That would be useful and improve the article, also it would be a good idea to link to the Red Gyarados article. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
*While the article seems mostly complete, I don't feel it's feature quality. The page format is plain, and the sections, and by extension the article as a whole, are really short. Feature articles should be pages which go above and beyond most others, and I don't think this one is up to snuff. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Well, like ＤＥＮＮＯＵＺＥＮＳＨ already said, it is as good as Ilex Forest shrine, and covers more games/generations.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
*No mention of Colosseum/XD shiny Pokemon, which can be vastly different from the main game shinys, for example Vileplume or Voltorb. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
*I felt that it should go into the pros and cons of hacking shiny Pokémon because someone offered me a hacked Shiny and I ''still'' don't know whether I should have accepted or if I should accept it in the future... Eliza 04:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::*Well, don't pay too highly for it. If it is a legend, it is worth a fairly common legend, if not, hacked would be worth someone fairly rare, though not that rare. I paid a Lv. 60 Honchcrow for a shiny pichu, who may or may not be hacked, but that gives u a basic idea. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

====Other comments====

Talk:Klink (Pokémon)

2010-12-28T03:53:13Z

Desukaan563:

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}
==Trivia==
I noticed that Gear/Giaru is the the only Pokemon consisting of two seperate entities. A couple of other Pokemon have had two heads/minds before, but were always connected by some physical bond. Can we add this fact in, or do we have to see the rest of Gen. 5? {{unsigned|Element03}}
:What about Exeggcute? They aren't connecting in a physical bond. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:27, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
::And Magneton. And possibly Dugtrio (we don't know what's under there). And even Porygon-Z to an extent. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I mean just two. Magneton and Dugtrio are three entities, Porygon-Z is one entity with multiple seperate parts, and Exeggcute is six or seven seperate eggs. Gear/Giaru is the only two-bodied Pokemon, and by consequence the multi-bodied Pokemon with the least bodies.--[[User:Element03|Element03]] 00:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Don't resign if you forgot, it messes up the timestamp. This piece of trivia gets too specific if you go into the fact that it's the only Pokémon comprised of two entities, when there are things with 3. I say we just leave it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology ==

Can a mod add this:

Giaru resembles two gears, with six cogs each, interlocking. The cogs of the gears are a light grey, while the central regions are much darker. Their left eyes are a simple "X", while their right eyes are very wide with a black pupil and a white cornea. They have round green noses and small mouths that are held wide open. {{unsigned|Constantine}}
:Sure thing. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 17:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::Umm, by the look of the art and sprites, their noses are blue...[[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 00:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

==Trivia2==
I'd like to add this to the trivia:

Giaru's ability either being Plus or Minus could suggest that it exerts a sort of magnetism, or that sending out two(or possibly three Giaru) is an advantage considering the fact that gears turning in oppposite directions combine.[[User:Pelipper|Pelipper]] 23:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think it would be best to wait until more information is known about this Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

I was thinking what could possibly be its name origin. If it was just a corrupted ギア ''gia'', gear, or if it had something else behind it. Maybe, it could be something like a portmanteau of 誼 ''yoshimi'' or ''gi'', friendly relations, and ある ''aru'', to be with ギア ''gia'', gear.[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 06:21, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:When it is two gears, and its name is a direct transliteration of gear, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the only origin is the word gear. Also, it makes me wonder why this page isn't at {{red link|Gear (Pokémon)}}, like {{p|Wargle}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:42, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:ウォーグル　''Uōguru'' is an obvious portmanteau of the english words (written in japanese) ウォー　''uō'', war, and イーグル ''īguru'', eagle, becoming Wargle.
Now, for ギアル　''Giaru'', this doesn't really happen. It may be just a corruption of ギア ''Gia'', gear, but "giaru" isn't "gear" in Japanese.[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 07:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Form and forme （フォーム and フォルム） use slightly different ways of transliteration, to distinguish them. It's a very slight corruption, and I'm betting that the official romanisation is "Gear". It's not like this type of tiny corruption hasn't happened before. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:19, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Besides, the u is a silent u. It's there because that's how the Japanese write it. {{Unsigned|Mikkim}}

== Disambiguation ==

Okay since we're apparently redirecting 'Gear (Pokémon)' to this article, should the same also be done for 'Gear' alone? Except typing in 'Gear' into the search bar brings up the Gear item in [[List of key items in Pokémon Colosseum]]. Meaning a disambiguation page may also have to be made... That is, if we are going along the lines that Giaru is supposed to be 'Gear'... [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 07:35, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Most people are calling it Gear, and since we have a redirect, we should probably do create the page. Although, since Bulbapedia's referring to it as Giaru, we could word the page as something like, "You may have looking for [[Giaru (Pokémon)]], which is also known as Gear." --[[User:Element03|Element03]] 00:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::I've actually already disambigged it. Many other sites are simply translating it as Gear anyway, so people are likely to search for it using that, so we need to disambig it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== No one else get reminded of Magnemite? ==

Just saying, they remind me of each other. They're both based off of machinery it seems. Anyone else agree? [[User:Miscs|Miscs]] 18:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:That is an opinion, thus not going to be included in the article. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

==Name==
Should we add in trivia that Klink is the name of the main antoganist in the old TV show, Hogan's Heroes? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:53, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Featured article candidate

2010-12-20T08:18:55Z

Desukaan563: /* Object (3) */

==[[Shiny Pokémon]]==__NOTOC__
====Support (6)====

*I think this is a good article about game mechanics, plus who doesn't like Shiny guys? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
* I agree. It looks as good as [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|Oak's lab]] or [[Ilex Forest shrine]]. Maybe some expert could make random shiny sprite(s) appear on article.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 08:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
** While I'm no expert, I made [[Talk:Shiny Pokémon#FAC talk request|a sample]] on the talk page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:07, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
***Good job SnorlaxMonster! Hey, how often does it change? Even if this artcile isn't nominated, we could still put this on the page. Oh, do u support nominating this article? --[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
**** It generates a random Pokémon by multiplying the total number of edits by the time in seconds (it also uses modulo to keep the number between 1 and 493). So it really changes every time you view the page, but you might have to hard refresh or purge the server's cache to see a change. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
* I support this wholeheartedly, it's a great article. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
* I support this because I believe it quite well written and it is a great article on the subject. --[[User:Laikue|User:Laikue]] 11:40, 08 December 2010 (CST)--
*Good article. [[User:A Person|A person]] wrote this at 00:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
*One of the best articles related with Pokémon on Bulbapedia... Amitrc7th 05:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

====Object (3)====

*Nah, it feels kind of...incomplete to me..like it could have more..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 14:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
**How so? I think it is quite interesting----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:39, 29 November 2010 (UTC).
* I feel like the sections on the side games are too short. While I know there isn't really much else to put there, it doesn't seem like good feature quality to have tiny subsections. The anime and TCG sections seem a little short, and there is no manga section; there must be Shiny Pokémon in at least one manga. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
**As far as I know of, the Red Gyarados is the only shiny guy in Adventures, and we could link to the [[Red Gyarados]] page for it. Besides, the magna is normally black and white, so it isn't much significance. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 02:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
***Crystal mentioned that she caught a differently colored Pokemon in one chapter..but that's just all we got from it...and even if it's in Black and White, it wouldn't hurt to put it there....[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
****I don't know much about the magna, but if there is someone who does, could they write the section on it? That would be useful and improve the article, also it would be a good idea to link to the Red Gyarados article. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
*While the article seems mostly complete, I don't feel it's feature quality. The page format is plain, and the sections, and by extension the article as a whole, are really short. Feature articles should be pages which go above and beyond most others, and I don't think this one is up to snuff. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Well, like ＤＥＮＮＯＵＺＥＮＳＨ already said, it is as good as Ilex Forest shrine, and covers more games/generations.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

====Other comments====

Talk:BW014

2010-12-20T07:33:36Z

Desukaan563: /* Characters */

== Characters ==

When was it confirmed that Aloe, Kidachi, and Aloe's Miruhog would appear in this episode? I know it was speculated but I don't recall it being confirmed?
{{unsigned|1rkhachatryan}}

lol sorry I forgot to sign.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:Aloe was seen during a preview of clips from BW013 and BW014. But I guess they could of slipped in a clip from BW015 in there was well. Kidachi was confirmed by Newtype. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks![[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 01:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

In the preview of BW014 Dent gets possessed by a mask that looks like Desumasu's, do you think it's possible that the pokemon is behind the museum exhibits coming to life? ([[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 17:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC))
:Yes I think so, because the mask that possesses Dent looks a lot like the one that can be seen on {{p|Desumasu}}. [[User:MetalMetroid997|MetalMetroid997]] 18:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::It doesn't look like the mask, it '''IS''' the mask [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Its not a mask, its Desumasu's face from its previous life so technically, Desumasu makes its debut in this episode.[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 21:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I might want to point out that while it seems like a pokemon's fault, as said by the description, when it is like that it is normally something else... first appearance of Team Plasma? Also, it could be because Jessie and James tried to rob a disguised Desukaan, who lashes out and controls it's prevolved forms. I have had this picture in my mind, that in the series, Jessie and James will attempt a Desukaan robbery, which would lash out, and are saved by ash. Also, that the mask attaches to Dent's face, could it be Dent is... different? if he used Aura that would be cool, but i doubt they would do that. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 07:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:BW014

2010-12-20T07:31:57Z

Desukaan563: /* Characters */

== Characters ==

When was it confirmed that Aloe, Kidachi, and Aloe's Miruhog would appear in this episode? I know it was speculated but I don't recall it being confirmed?
{{unsigned|1rkhachatryan}}

lol sorry I forgot to sign.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:Aloe was seen during a preview of clips from BW013 and BW014. But I guess they could of slipped in a clip from BW015 in there was well. Kidachi was confirmed by Newtype. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks![[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 01:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

In the preview of BW014 Dent gets possessed by a mask that looks like Desumasu's, do you think it's possible that the pokemon is behind the museum exhibits coming to life? ([[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 17:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC))
:Yes I think so, because the mask that possesses Dent looks a lot like the one that can be seen on {{p|Desumasu}}. [[User:MetalMetroid997|MetalMetroid997]] 18:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::It doesn't look like the mask, it '''IS''' the mask [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Its not a mask, its Desumasu's face from its previous life so technically, Desumasu makes its debut in this episode.[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 21:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I might want to point out that while it seems like a pokemon's fault, as said by the description, when it is like that it is normally something else... first appearance of Team Plasma? Also, it could be because Jessie and James tried to rob a disguised Desukaan, who lashes out and controls it's prevolved forms. I have had this picture in my mind, that in the series, Jessie and James will attempt a Desukaan robbery, which would lash out, and are saved by ash.
Also, that the mask attaches to Dent's face, could it be Dent is... different? if he used Aura that would be cool, but i doubt they would do that. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 07:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Gem

2010-12-20T06:59:28Z

Desukaan563: Created page with "==S D== We should have an article, or an explanation, about this "swirling dust". I mean, what are they (i don't have BW) --~~~~"

Bulbapedia talk:Project Routes

2010-12-20T04:37:47Z

Desukaan563: /* Shiny Leaf */

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==Maps==
Okay, so, Route 28: yes K-J map. Route 27: no. And I've had an idea: a combo map for the list, showing all of the areas in one big map. We could combine it canonically, since there's that one map floating around here... Maybe. I'll ask Zhen Lin about the animation later if you haven't already. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 21:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I've been a bit busy lately, so if you could ask Zhen Lin, that'd be great. The large map idea for the list sounds like a plan as well, as that would really give added detail to the list page. Also, the main reason that I wanted to move this discussion here was that, believe it or not, this page was the #1 wanted article on Bulbapedia because of all the links created from the article footer template. =) --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 04:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::All right. I shall do so. And as for the combined map: [http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2430/pokmonworldhz7.png]. Should I fill in the empty spot to the west with some abrupt end to the continent? And to the south of Kanto and Johto, the Orange Islands? Or a giant AREA UNKNOWN sticker over ocean? And what about those cheesy region labels? Keep 'em, or out with them?

::And... wow. Oops? How many is that, 40, 50 links? Ah well. I sent off an email message, so hopefully I'll get a reply today. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 03:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Animation is fine, provided:
# The first frame is sufficiently informative - some people disable animated GIFs, so for them they will only see the first frame.
# If the animation loops, then the animation must not become irritating - so a slow strobe would work, but blinking is not good.
# Try not to exceed 200KB per image. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 03:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

::That works. TMF, what's your appraisal of this [http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3517/kantoadvancemapwx7.gif]? I've already added Route 1's to its article and modified the template, but we'll have to get cracking with the other regions fast. I should finish them all for Kanto by tomorrow night. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC) (Modified 07:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC).)

:::That looks great. These'll be excellent additions to the articles. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 08:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::::All right. I'll get to the Hoenn ones for the articles we have right now, then go back and start creating the articles we don't have yet in Johto and Sevii to implement the maps. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 08:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::I changed the infobox to use "(Region) Route(Number) Map.gif" as the default map, so that should make the regionmap entry redundant for all of the numbered routes. For the named routes, the regionmap entry is still available so that the correct map can be shown. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 21:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::All right. That works, makes it a whole lot easier, then. All I gotta do is save the files to the right name. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hi there! I'm rather new around here but I wanted to help out with getting maps in for Sinnoh. I noticed [[User:TTEchidna|TTEchidna]]'s animated maps with route highlights and thought I'd try to replicate that for routes that are still displaying the default image. [[a:Image:Sinnoh_Route202_Map.gif|This]] is my attempt for Route 202. Should I keep making and uploading them? - [[User:Shadowtrooper|Shadowtrooper]][[Image:MasterBallSpriteSmall.png]][[User talk:Shadowtrooper|Talk]] 01:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::Well, it looks all right, I do think that the highlight should have rounder edges, though, but eh, that's just me trying to mimic the in-game dex location thingy. Just remember if you do one of those underground/in-cave/other thingy areas (like [[Three Isle Path]] is), that you wait for me to give you the go-ahead. I'm planning to use a red marking for those ones, like what appears for Carnivine's area in the dex.

::Or heck, I could even give you all of the resources I use to make those maps, and you can go from those. If you're interested, contact me on AIM or something, or even on my talk page. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

==Infobox==
Hey, Route people - how attached are you guys to the current style of the infobox? Because to be honest, the style bothers me each time I see the infobox, and more than once I've been tempted to edit it. Can something at least be done about the seemingly random background colors of the infobox's sections? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:What do you suggest for it? For the colors, maybe having them differ depending on whether it's a majority-land, majority-sea, or majority-cave would break up the monotony, with it being shades of green for land, shades of blue for sea, and shades of light brown or grey for cave. It'd certainly make it easier for a person to tell at a glance which one it was, if the route doesn't yet have an in-game map of it available.
:Just so long as it still incorporates all of the stuff we have in it now, I'm fine with changes. Especially the regional overview map that indicates its location, as I haven't yet had a chance to add that in on every route article made so far. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 17:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::I guess, and again that wouldn't be too hard to incorporate. I'd really rather just see a colorscheme that's less random than green, lightgreen, gray, gray, cyan.
::And I don't see any problem with the content of the infobox. It's just the appearance that bothers me. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 19:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, the new version looks awesome. Much more colorful. And leaving the type part out of [[Route 219]] makes it just plain white. So that works out perfect, since we don't know if it's all water, or if it's more like 118, where you have to surf across a teeny strech of water to arrive at the rest of the route. And now to help add the type to all of the rest of the routes... [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 22:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Glad you like it. I think it also helps to combine some things into the same rows - such as having the alternate name with the normal name, so there's no empty 1px white line if there's no alternate name. I personally think it's a better fix than turning off rules entirely. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::The revamped infobox looks real nice. To be honest, the old formatting and background colors were based on [[wp:Template:Infobox road]], so I wasn't attached to the old formatting in the least bit. Again, Pie, great job with the new infobox coding!
:::::I don't think the alternate name should be in the same row as the road name, though. After all, the name of Route 16 is not "Route 16 - Cycling Road", it is "Route 16". --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 08:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Well, I tried it both ways - the problem is that if there is no alternate name, as is the case with many routes, the slot for the alternate names shows up anyway. It was invisible with no rules, but with rules, it's an annoying little strip between the title and the rest of the table. I think people can figure out that it's just an alternate name by the content of the article. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I would agree with you if I was able to see that white strip that you mention. I use Firefox 1.5, so the infobox renders as designed (no strip, alternate name or not). --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 08:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Huh. Maybe it's just my version of Firefox, then. But if you can't see the dividing rules, why does it bother you, then? I mean, if we gave it a separate cell with a different background color, then you'd just have the problem I have when there's no alternate name - you'd see a 1px strip of the background color for no apparent reason. If we gave the separate cell the same background color, then it would look the same to you either way - but make the strip visible to me. I don't see how putting the alternate name in a separate cell could possibly help anything. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::BTW - upgraded to 1.5, and the table still appears the same. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

(back to the left) I have no idea why that would be the case, but that's interesting. Gotta love technology. =) In all seriousness, I made a tweak to the infobox coding so that the alternate name entry is optional. I removed the empty entry on [[Route 15]], so check it out to see if making the entry optional fixes the bug. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 08:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, that's not the problem. See, the thing is that if there was no alternate name, it would do just as it was told - put no name. But it would still make an empty two-column cell in the table, between the title and the rest of the infobox information, 1px wide. The only way to fix this is to have an actual infobox on-off switch, so that the code does not include a "|-" in the line before where the alternate title would go - or, the easy way, to just include the alternate name in the same cell as the main name, and do away with that separator completely. Do you understand, or do I need to switch it temporarily to demonstrate the problem to you? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I just found an easy way to show - check the infobox for {{m|Wave Guiding Bomb}}, which has a blank entry for its battle description and contest description. Note that the cell is still made - that's what happens if there's no alternate name and the alternate name has a separate cell. (Or can you not see the rules on that infobox, either?) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::Looking at the current coding of the infobox, the alternate name is already in the same cell as the main name of the road on a lower line, which I have no problems with.

::(This just dawned on me) However, if you mean that the ''previous'' version of the infobox that gave the alt. name its own cell was the glitchy one, then please accept my apologies for misunderstanding. (It is 5 AM EST, so that explains my lack of clear thinking) --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 09:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Yes, that was what I was talking about - and what I thought you were talking about. I had a feeling there was some sort of miscommunication. Glad we got it cleared up. ^^o (And it's the same ridiculous hour here - hi, Mr. NYer, I'm from RI. But I'm a little more used to operating at this hour, I guess...) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::(Post-edit conflict): Yes, I can see the little 3px "blank cell" between the two sections. So that confirms you were referring to the previous version of the infobox. Sorry for the misunderstanding on a ton of levels (I'll go to bed before I come off as an ever bigger moron by making more stupid assumptions...) --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 09:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Hey, it's all right. It's an understandable mistake - being a moron would require you to restore a page after I reverted it to a redirect four times with explanation, warning, and all. (But on another note, sleep isn't a bad idea, considering the sun's just starting to come up here...) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

==Appearance percentages==
One issue done, and onto another - since the Pokémon species articles have enough needing to be added without having a "game locations" table fifty pages long for the common species, but the locations table will link to the routes and locations they're found in anyway, perhaps on the route articles the exact appearance percentages and levels of Pokémon on each route could be added? Not immediately - though given how quickly you guys seem to be working, I wouldn't be surprised if it could be done sooner than it'll take to fully flesh out and organize the first fifty species articles... --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:That's a good idea. I've seen it on a few of the route pages so far, I figure we could do it for them all eventually. The levels would be a nice addition, too. If we used a table, maybe we could use little color boxes that'd represent the eleven versions, showing which ones they appear in, so the table doesn't strech. They could be labeled, like, a red one colored FF0000 have an R, a blue one colored 0000FF with a B, a yellow with FFFF00 with a Y... Then for similar-colored ones, like Ruby and Red, Ruby could have a darker or lighter color, I think. Maybe Groudon-red, which seems a bit darker than FF-red. Likewise, Sapphire could have a darker blue, like the one called sapphire in the list of colors on Wikipedia. And Emerald could have a darker green than LeafGreen. Heck, I'd think we should go by cartrige color, having the FR box be more orange than the R box, and the LG box being closer to 00FF00 green than the G one, which would be closer to the 008000 one, like (I assume) the cartrige. And maybe they could have links to each version, like R and B would link to Red and Blue, in case someone's still confused about it.
:I dunno. Mine might not be a workable or even smart idea, I think it'd look cool, though, not that that's the important thing. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 08:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::It's a good thought - but if I'm picturing this design correctly, I think the main problem would be that it might be even more difficult than it is currently to note the differences between the versions, including levels and appearance rates. Though if it were still split up by generation (which is never a bad idea anyway), it would be similar to the current design, but quicker and easier to understand with the visual aid. (In fact... hang on, I think I'm going to try semi-incorporating that idea into the Route 1 article.) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Pie, that table looks excellent. The only question I have is where would I find the appearance rates? For the levels, I can get those for Gen. II easily, but I'd have to do some guesswork for Gen. I and III. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 21:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I looked around - the only website I've found that has appearance rates is [http://psypokes.com/ Psypoke], and it's difficult to convert that information - they have the percentage a Pokémon appears on a route for each version, but they don't have any pages with the whole route's appearance percentages. Other websites don't mention the appearance percentages at all, and I haven't found one yet that says the levels. If we can get that information - which we may have to do by playing our games a lot and checking published strategy guides instead of online ones - we'd probably be the best source out there for wild Pokémon encounters. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 00:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I just noticed that the Japanese Pokémon Wiki lists Pokémon levels for every Generation (at least on Route 3). I wonder where they were able to obtain their information and, more importantly, if those levels would be correct for the English-speaking games. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 05:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Also, what colors should be used for Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald? --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 23:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've mostly been using the ones I use in my user profile - and for Ruby and Emerald, I use fee and efe. However, those are really pastel on their own, and there's nothing wrong with reusing fcc, ccf and cfc - first off, RSE doesn't share any routes with RBY or FRLG, and if you notice both R and FR have fcc as their color anyway and it looks fine. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 00:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Widening the scope? ==

This project already covers all numbered routes and major non-numbered routes and paths. Should we widen the scope to virtually anything that isn't in a town/city (which would widen our scope to include areas like Cerulean Cave, Viridian Forest, Rock Tunnel, Union Cave, etc.)? --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 21:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know - they don't really seem to fit, just by the fact that they're not Routes in any sense. Maybe you need to start a new project - or create an umbrella project for this, Project Cities and Towns, and all other locations - Project World or something. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 00:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::Well, some of the caves could count as routes, like Union Cave and Rock Tunnel, since they have two separate ends and need to be passed through to get to the next destination. Cerulean Cave wouldn't, though, since it's one-way, and doesn't connect two places, but instead serves more as an optional dungeon-- which everyone takes anyway. Or else we could move the caves and such to a Project Caves or Project Dungeons, leave the underground connector routes to here... We'd have to be careful about naming it, though, Ilex and Viridian Forests, and Petalburg Woods aren't really dungeons or caves. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::Point taken. I agree with you whole heartedly. In retrospect, I wouldn't consider Viridian Forest (which is completely encompassed by Route 2) or Cerulean Cave (which has only one way in and one way out) routes either. On the other hand, Union Cave, which links the Ruins of Alph, Route 32 and Azalea Town via Route 33, may fit in the same way that Diglett's Cave does.

::As for the umbrella project, here's an idea for a hierarchy:

::{| border=0
!Parent
!Descendant
!Sub-Descendant
|-
|rowspan=2|Project World
|rowspan=2|Project Locations
|Project Cities and Towns
|-
|Project Routes
|}

::Here's my reasoning for the World/Locations parentage. Let's say someone wants to start a project for PokéMarts (including the three department stores). Instead of being an orphan project, it would fall under the realm of Project World. Also, similar to Wikipedia's [[wp:WP:USRD|U.S. Roads project]], which encompasses all states that don't have their own project, Project Locations would cover all areas not covered by Cities/Towns or Routes. Thoughts? --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 01:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, come to think of it, World is a bit too large - in a sense, Pokédex, MoveDex, and BerryDex would all fall under it as well - the only thing that wouldn't would be stuff like Project TCGDex and Project TFGDex. Maybe just stick with the Locations umbrella for now, and later consider something with an umbrella that large. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I agree there, Project World would be more like a huge parent project for the games' separate things. But the sub-project Locations could be used for things like landmarks, which Viridian Forest, Union Cave, and several other not-really-routes fall under. Heck, sub-sub-project Landmarks could fit all of the blue-dot-things in, like Lavender Tower, Victory Road, Mt. Moon, Mt. Ember, Mt. Mortar, the Tin and Brass/Burned Towers...
::::However, I do think that some of the caves and such fall under designations as both landmarks and routes, like Ilex Forest and Rusturf Tunnel. We could include them as part of both, could we not? Likewise, Indigo Plateau could fall under both Landmark and City, since it's not a city in the strictest sense, but still not just a minor landmark, like Rock Tunnel. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:TTEchidna|TTEchidna]] ([[User talk:TTEchidna|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TTEchidna|contribs]]).

(back left) I think that we need to adopt a set standard on what landmarks should be considered routes. Here's my proposal:
*Tunnels and paths (Jagged Path, Diglett's Cave, Rusturf Tunnel): Yes
*Inter-route single-level caves/forests (Union Cave, Diglett's Cave (again), Ilex Forest): Yes
*Inter-route multi-level caves (Mt. Moon, Meteor Falls): No
*Intra-route caves/forests (Rock Tunnel, Viridian Forest, Petalburg Woods): No

Anything that is a "No" above would be covered by [[Bulbapedia:Project Locations|Project Locations]], which is the new parent of Project Routes. Also, the [[List of locations by name]] needs a good amount of expanding.

BTW, Project Locations covers everything from [[Pokémon Tower]] (Lavender Tower) to [[Cerulean Cave]] to [[Viridian Forest]]. I'd consider Indigo a city, personally. I dunno why, but when I think of Indigo, I consider it a city, as it has a Poké Center and a PokéMart like other cities. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 19:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:Sounds like a plan to me. And the only reason I said that Indigo could be both is because in GSC, it's only a red dot on the map, not a square like the other cities. And there's not much else there in all three generations besides the league. Speaking of Indigo Plateau, would the two Victory Roads fall under the same jurisdiction, since one's technically in the middle of a city, while the other's an intra-route cave? Do they have separate articles, even?
:Also, oops, I forgot to sign it. I could've sworn I did... Ah well. Tildes away: [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 22:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::Both Kanto Victory Roads wouldn't be routes under the above proposal. The Gen. I/III Victory Road is an intra-route cave located entirely within Route 23. The Gen. II Victory Road is an inter-route multi-level (in this case, two levels) cave.
::I see your point completely regarding Indigo as a combo landmark/city. Still, I'd consider it a city, but that's just me. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 23:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Would that count for Hoenn's too, though? Since it's in the middle of a city. It'd be like the Brass and Tin Towers, right? Those are in the list, so I figured I'd put the two VRs there too.
:::Also, what're your thoughts on the [[Tin Tower#Pokémon|Tin Tower]] Pokémon distribution? Do you think that it's good enough for when we get to the Whirl Islands as well, for Lugia, and for Cerulean Cave, Mewtwo? Would it work for anywhere that there's a legendary catchable? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

::::That would count for Hoenn's as well, as it meets two of the "no" requirements: an intra-route (city) cave and it has multiple levels. So yep, the three Victory Roads would fall under the realm of Project Locations, not Project Routes (so their inclusion on the list of locations page is OK). For the Tin Tower Pokémon distribution, I would use "Event" rather than "Special Encounter" personally. Everything else looks fine, though you could probably get away with combining all of the tables into a single table. See [[Cerulean Cave]] and [[Pokémon Tower]] for how I set the tables up. Now I just have to add Mewtwo to the Cerulean Cave list... --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 01:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

(back to the left) All right. I'll get right on it. And I've just noticed something... We don't have an article with the definition of Route. Maybe we should make it so that people will know jut what is and what isn't a route when new stuff's released. And yes, it looks much better. Now to do the easiest two ever: Terra and Marine Caves. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 03:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

:That's a good idea. I'll make the [[Route]] article, complete with the definitions agreed upon above. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 03:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

== Summary of infobox changes ==

Here's a brief summary of the changes I made to the infobox today:
*For numbered routes, the region map now appears automatically. For named routes, parameter "regionmap" must still be set.
*The region name in the "region" parameter no longer needs to be wikified upon entry into the box as it is now wikified by the template - in fact, by wikifying it, it disables the automatic map retrieval.
*Region_special has been implemented for routes that span two regions (currently, this is limited to only Route 28).
*The "junction" parameter can be omitted for routes that have no junctions. In its place, the word "None" will be displayed for junctions. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 22:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

And another that was made a couple of days ago:
*The "alternate name" parameter is now optional.

A lot of routes need to be tweaked to match the new coding, specifically the region name needs to be delinked, the alternate name parameter can be omitted where it is not used and, for numbered routes, the regionmap entry can be removed. Comments and questions are welcome. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 22:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:I tried a while back to implement some sort of way to indicate on which of the Sevii Islands the routes there were, in the same place as the alternate name thing, but it ended up messing things up, so I changed it back. Is there any way to make it do that without screwing up the regular routes? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 02:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::Yes, there is, and I just did it. =) The "sevii_island" parameter should work now with no problems or conflicts with "alternate_name". --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 02:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Perfect. Now it'll be easier for people who can't tell which island is which. But should I put it as the number or as the name, Knot or One Island, for example. I've always considered the numbers to be the town names, and the names to be what all of the parts fall under. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 18:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah, we should use the number (One Island) for the town on the island and the name (Knot Island) for the island itself. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 21:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::Okay. So that'll be something to do in a little while, stop redirects from One Island and such to the named one, and give the numbered one the town infobox and so on. Or else, we could just plop the infobox into the named island... It's your call. Should we un-redirect them all, then use One, Two, etc. for towns, and the others (Knot, Boon, etc.) as something like sub-regions? We might have to fix considerable numbers of pages which might rely on the redirect... [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::Here's an idea. The numbered island pages (One Island, Two Island, etc.) should probably be converted to disambiguation pages. On the page, it'd be something like
::::::{|
|-
|'''One Island''' can refer to two locations in the [[Sevii Islands]]:
|-
|*The island known as One Island, officially named [[Knot Island]].
|-
|*The town named [[One Island (town)|One Island]] on Knot Island.
|}
::::::The city infoboxes would then be placed on the (town) articles. The location infoboxes would go on the Island articles. The only place where a disambiguation page isn't necessary would be [[Floe Island]], where the town and the island are the one and same. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 01:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

(back left) Perfect. Works well enough that it'd not be too much of a problem to change the names in the templates on the Island Route articles. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 23:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

:OK, the first of the disambiguation pages has been made at [[One Island]]. Once the articles are made for the towns on the islands (ex. "One Island (town)", "Two Island (town)", etc.), I'll convert the rest of the redirects to disambiguation pages (with the exception being Four Island, of course). --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 00:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

::And now, what colors to use for them? One Island's reddish, because of the island's relation to fire, and I'd have a light blue for Four Island, if we do that infobox there. Also, speaking of the Sevii Islands, should all nine go under locations? That'd even allow us to break apart Four Island and Floe Island, with Four Island falling under Cities and Towns, and Floe Island talking about Icefall Cave and such, like I've sort of modified [[Knot Island]] to do. I'm already putting Birth Island and Navel Rock as locations. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Yeah, the islands themselves should be under locations. You make a good point with Four/Floe Island there, as I forgot about Icefall Cave earlier. Oops. So, as you stated, Floe Island would be a location while Four Island would be the town. Birth Island and Navel Rock should be locations, as there are no towns called Eight Island or Nine Island on them anyway (at least, not to my knowledge). For the colors, as you said, Islands 1 and 4 are pretty obvious. Two Island has the waterfall north of town (so maybe a deep pastel blue), for Three Island, the area is densely populated with forest (green), Five Island has the nearby meadow (light green?), Six Island has the Ruin Valley (maybe the cave color from the route infobox) and Seven Island has Sevault Canyon (maybe cave again?). Those are some of my ideas. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 07:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I think they're all good, but maybe we could have either Six or Seven be a lighter, more sandy-brown color, instead of the dark cave brown. And remember, Six is also made up of the Green and Water Paths, Pattern Bush, and Outcast Island, though Seven might be good with cave colors in the infobox. I did have a hard time choosing for Navel and Birth, though... And I wonder, are there yet redirect pages for [[Eight Island]] and [[Nine Island]] to them? If there aren't yet, that's what I'm doing next. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 09:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

== Routes or not? ==

Here's a small grab bag of locations that I couldn't make up my mind on whether they are routes or not, along with my personal opinion. Thoughts and comments are welcome.

*Ruins of Alph - No
*National Park - No
--[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 03:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
:Those two are definitely more landmark than route, even though they have more than one entrance. And since the Ruins of Alph refers to the outside area as well as the Unown caves, it's different than, say, Tanoby Ruins vs Tanoby Chambers. Tanoby Ruins is more of a route... well, mostly for how it appears on the map. And what of Fiery Path, is it more a route or a location, since it only goes within Route 112, like Viridian Forest stays within Route 2. Seaside Cycling Road is certainly a route, as Cycling Road in Kanto is, even if it begins and ends on Route 110. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

::Very good point regarding Fiery Path. The lazy answer would be to say point #1 of the route definition (tunnels and paths are routes) makes Fiery Path a route. But even at 2:30 AM Eastern, I won't be lazy. =) To me, this is more about perspective than anything else. Fiery Path, IMHO, is a route because it is a named road and it is a straight-forward, point A to point B path. This is different than Viridian Forest mostly because with Viridian Forest, a trainer has to make no less than 10 or so turns to traverse the area, plus if you're not careful, you could get lost in Viridian Forest. If someone gets lost in the Fiery Path, well, it's time to buy them a [[Town Map]]. =) --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 06:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

:::A good point. Eh, I suppose it could count more as a route anyway, after all, in-game it's more mandatory than Mt. Moon is. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 07:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

:::How about Three Isle Path? It goes within Three Isle Port, and only that. Location or Route? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 21:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

::::Three Isle Path could go either way IMO. It could be a location for being within a route or it could be a route in the way Fiery Path is. My personal preference would be to make it a route, since it's fairly easy to navigate and it is similar in nature to Fiery Path and (in composition, not where it links) to the Rusturf Tunnel. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 22:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

:::::All right. I assumed as much. I just added it on the list, so an article'll be coming up as soon as I get done with the next couple. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 03:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Tengan Mountain Range: Route or not, for future reference? I'm kinda... iffy on it. Maybe we should wait for D/P to come out and people to get that far? After all, it seems to be some sort of overland path, with Route 211 going through maybe a tunnel underneath... Should we leave it unclassified for now, then add it to whatever list we decide later? I mean, it might be something like the Sevii Routes, just named, instead of numbered as 231. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 11:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I'd say wait until D/P are released before we classify where it falls under. That'd be the safest bet. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 23:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== Remaining Johto Routes ==

I probably won't have the chance to really finish them up until this November, since I didn't bring a GBA or SP with, just my DS. However, the Hoenn and Sevii ones I'll definitely be working on when I get the chance. As I've been adjusting to college, I'd say that next weekend's when I'll certainly be back to my full capacity. I'll try getting out something during this weekend, though. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 03:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== Exciting news! ==

[http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml Check it out!] Routes 201-230! That's 15 each. Won't be too hard to get everything Wiki'd up by the time the game comes stateside, I don't think.

...only problem is that there are no ''WORKING'' ROMs for DS, so we're kinda... eh, limited with the map we have. Hopefully there'll be a better-res version (preferribly in PNG) soon... Ah well. I'm updating the list of routes with this new info from Serebii... [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

:Sounds good. I've been on a "Bulbabreak" for three weeks, so I'm more than ready to get back to work. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 00:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah, and I haven't really been doing many of the routes, I've mostly been working on the Shin'ō dex order. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 19:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Meh...apparently I won't have as nearly as much time as I thought I would, so I probably won't be able to get back to work on the route articles for another couple of months. Sorry. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 01:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

::::It's all right. We don't need them all done completely immediately. Besides, this is a whole community of editors, it'll all get done eventually, and probably STILL before DP comes out here, no matter how many of us are missing. Don't be down on yourself because of it. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 04:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

==A new participant! Chosen!==
I have the pages for [[Resort Gorgeous]] and [[Water Labyrinth]] up. Obviously, there are things missing, but I put up Items and put the Pokémon in.
:Well, they're looking all right. They could use a few improvements, though. Gotta stress the use of the preview. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== Music? ==

I know if we actually put the music itself onto the server, it might get us into real trouble, usage and space-wise. Well, I dunno, would it fall under fair use? Eh, it's a bit big anyway, so we can safely say no to it. However, route music is, to me, one of the most memorable parts of the Pokémon games. I mean, tell you the truth, I was extremely happy at the inclusion of the Route 42, 43, 44/Lake of Rage music in the Sevii Islands routes. So happy, I literally jumped up on hearing it, and just sat there and took it in.

But since this is an encyclopedia on all things Pokémon, why don't we include some sort of reference to what the route music is, such as a link to a page on the track itself, or routes/areas with similar music? It could go into the infobox, no problem, however... I'm crap at trying to set those in, and I'd like the opinions on the others in the project before saying "let's plow forward with this!" [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 09:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
:I feel the same way about the route music (and, yes, I was just as excited as soon as I set foot on a Sevii Island route and heard some of the early Johto music). I think the best way to do it would be to create an entry in the infobox with a link to the "track", then create a page for the track that can mention what routes the track is used on. What the pages for the track should be called, I have no idea as, at least as far as I know, the tracks have no name. I could be wrong, though. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|Let's Go Mets]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|Stats]] 13:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
::They have names according to the official CDs of the music... However, those are merely a reference to the Japanese names of the towns and such. For example, Routes {{rtn|13}}, {{rtn|14}}, and {{rtn|15}} are listed as "Road to {{tt|Sekichiku|Fuchsia}} - from {{tt|Shion|Lavender}} Town", and Oak's lab is listed as "{{tt|Okido|Oak}} Research Institute". We could do it like the Japanese anime episodes' names, with the names as Japanese, but using the tt template for their English translation.

::The only potential problems I see arising are from Nanashima, which is the name, according to the track, of the route music for the late Sevii routes. As you might know, Nanashima is the name for the Sevii Islands themselves. That'd be a problem if we were to have redirects from Japanese place names to their English-language counterparts, as we do with some. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 08:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea just to have a little section on each Route artcile entitled "Music" and a rough description of what the music is like. For example, the Music section for Route 1 could say something like this:
The background music played on Route 1 is a cheerful, bouncy tune. The same music can also be heard on Route 2 in Generations I and III. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 11:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Ranger==

I don't know if anybody noticed this, but for Fiore locations, East Road was listed, but North Road was not, so I added it.

==Pokémon Lists==
New proposal for the Pokémon Lists.

The current one (taken from Route 6), would be...
{| border=1 width=350px style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #999; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #{{RouteInfo/landdark}};"
! width=20% | Name
! width=18% colspan=3 | Games
! width=25% | Location
! width=27% | Levels
! width=10% | Rate
|-
| align="center" rowspan=2| {{p|Pidgey}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 35%
|-
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 15-17
| align="center" | 45%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Pidgeotto}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 17
| align="center" | 5%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Rattata}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 14-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Jigglypuff}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 3-7
| align="center" | 10%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Oddish}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 40%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Meowth}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 10-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Mankey}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 10-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Psyduck}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Surfing
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 95%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Golduck}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Surfing
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 5%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Poliwag}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Good Rod
| align="center" | 10
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Abra}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 7
| align="center" | 15%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Bellsprout}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 40%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Shellder}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" rowspan=2 | {{p|Goldeen}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Good Rod
| align="center" | 10
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 5-20
| align="center" | 100%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Krabby}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Magikarp}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Old Rod
| align="center" | 5
| align="center" | 100%
|}
Why don't we make it a little more readable by doing...
===Generation I===
{| border=1 width=350px style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #999; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #{{RouteInfo/landdark}};"
! width=20% | Name
! width=18% colspan=3 | Games
! width=25% | Location
! width=27% | Levels
! width=10% | Rate
|-
| align="center" style="background: #{{RouteInfo/landlight}};" colspan=7 | Land
|-
| align="center" rowspan=2| {{p|Pidgey}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 35%
|-
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 15-17
| align="center" | 45%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Pidgeotto}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 17
| align="center" | 5%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Rattata}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 14-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Jigglypuff}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 3-7
| align="center" | 10%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Oddish}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 40%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Meowth}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 10-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Mankey}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 10-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Abra}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 7
| align="center" | 15%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Bellsprout}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 40%
|-
| align="center" style="background: #{{RouteInfo/waterlight}};" colspan=7 | Fishing
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Poliwag}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Good Rod
| align="center" | 10
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Shellder}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" rowspan=2 | {{p|Goldeen}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Good Rod
| align="center" | 10
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 5-20
| align="center" | 100%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Krabby}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Magikarp}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Old Rod
| align="center" | 5
| align="center" | 100%
|-
| align="center" style="background: #{{RouteInfo/waterlight}};" colspan=7 | Surfing
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Psyduck}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Surfing
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 95%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Golduck}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Surfing
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 5%
|}
[[User:Dunstvangeet|Dunstvangeet]] 18:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
:Kinda redundant to say "surfing" and "fishing" when it says it in the line anyway, plus the morning/day/night things would screw things up. Perhaps coloring the location column would help, you tell me. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

==End of Routes==

I have been wondering about this, and this seems like the best place to ask. I'm talking about the end of Routes. For example, on the [[Route 1]] page it says:

''North end: Routes 2/22 in Viridian''

However, I find this to be wrong. Routes end when they run into another route (like Route 22 ending at the beginning of Route 23), or a town. Route 1 ends when it enters Viridian City, it does not go into the city, nor do any of the other routes, so why are many routes listed like this?

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Spinner008's Corner ==

I went and hacked out the encounter rates for all the Gen I games, and I can confirm that the Japanese Red and Green are the same as the English Red and Blue. The Japanese Blue has some different rates in most places though; is there a way for that to be added to the current look? [[User:Spinner008|Spinner008]] 07:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

All the towns in Johto have been adapted to the new look for the encounter rates. Is there a way that I don't know about for doing multi-row Pokémon (like Pidgey on [[Route 29]])? Giving them each their own row looks too cluttered. [[User:Spinner008|Spinner008]] 07:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, if it somehow is different, I just put them in twice, once for GS, once for C. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::I went and updated [[Route 29]]. Doesn't it look weird, though? It'll probably look even weirder the bigger the tables are, especially things like the [[Kanto Safari Zone]] and etc. But, I don't have any solutions on how to fix it, and if everyone else likes it the way it is, then that's not a problem. [[User:Spinner008|Spinner008]] 18:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Eh, it looks fine. After all, the wild Pokémon have separate entries in the games' ROMs... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:Relatedly, we still do not have the catch rates for the Japanese version of Blue; Spinner008, you said you had obtained them. Can you post a list/table/dump/whatever of all the information please? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 23:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::Heheh! Kinda been away for a while. I've been meaning to finish up adding my data for GSC, if no one else has done it yet. I've also got the Japanese Blue encounter data, if anyone wants it (or if the templates give me a way to do it myself). :) [[User:Spinner008|Spinner008]] 08:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== Template? ==

Pokémon appearing in the wild have their own template for which games they appear in, eg for [[Route 204]]:

{{Catch/header|land|no}}
{{Catch/entry4|191|Sunkern|yes|yes|no|Poké Radar|6,8|22%|22%|22%}}
{{Catch/entry4|246|Larvitar|no|no|yes|Swarm|7|66%|66%|66%}}
{{Catch/entry4|270|Lotad|yes|yes|no|S|8|18%|18%|18%}}
{{catch/footer|land}}
The "Games" column in this template gives the editor the ability to highlight in which versions they feature, while blocking out the others.

However, the trainers seem to have been abandoned somewhat. There is currently no template to combine the "Games" column of the above template with the [[Template:Trainerentry|Trainerentry]] table. Currently the most satisfactory way to show intra-generational differences, like those between {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}} and {{v2|Emerald}}, is to bracket the changes in Emerald alongside the trainer's pokémon in Ruby & Sapphire, which does not parallel the standards set by the neat wild pokémon table, as seen on [[Route 102]]. Surely, for consistency, a template based on the old Trainerentry one, but including the "Games" column found in the [[Template:Catchentry4|Catchentry]] table, needs to be introduced to allow differences between trainers on RS/E and DP/Pt? [[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] 09:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Eh, well, since it's very rare for trainers in an area to differ by much, if at all, between paired and third games... I'm kinda hesitant. How much of a difference in how many areas are there? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, as far as I've got with Platinum (Cycling Road), over 75% of battles involve different pokémon, levels and winnings to those for the same trainer on DP... So, basically, every Route up to & including R206, aswell as the gyms. Eg, Youngster Logan of [[Route 202]] has his Shinx replaced by a Burmy in Platinum. On Emerald, the differences are few, and the R102 ones are largely exceptional cases. As for Yellow and Crystal, the differences are limited simply to the main characters (Leaders, Rivals and standard gym trainers). Still, if they've started changing trainers' pokémon for Gen IV third games, they'll no doubt carry it through into the future... [[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] 21:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

==Notice==
I should point out for trainers found on the route for Ruby and Sapphire, the amount of money the player receives as well as the Pokémon levels are different in Emerald and already prior to joining this project I personally fished some of these errors on the Route pages out and corrected them. Just want people to know this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

== Route exploration requirements ==

I posted this idea on the main talk page, but I am bringing it up here as well, just to double check. The idea was that I would add a new section to all of the Route articles, listing the requirements to fully explore the area (HMs, bicycles etc), so that people could see what they needed at a glance. I added this info to Kanto's routes, but some users said that it shouldn't have its own section in the article, and should be a sub-category in Route Description instead. I started adding the info to Route Description, but then someone advised me to stop for the time being, until the administrators had decided on the best place for the info. So I thought I'd check here, and see what everyone thinks! (If you want to see what I've done so far, have a look at the Kanto route articles. I won't be editing any more route articles until further notice.) [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:A new section is not needed for this. The main two reasons why me and the other administrators don't want this section to be added is:
#It looks messy. Lets face it, some articles will have a list of one HM and that's all. It hardly seems worth the space. We are trying to get rid of these extremely short lists.
# Bulbapedia is not a walkthrough. So we can't go, "Make sure you have a Pokemon that has learnt cut so you can get past the trees."

:As I have said numerous times, add it to the "Geography"/"Route description" section of the article, or perhaps we can incorporate into the template somehow. But having its own section is not right. As Kogsy had said early, we will discuss this further.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

::Ah, sorry, I thought you meant add a sub-category in route description, not just to add it to part of the route description! Adding it to the template sounds like a good idea, though. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Trainer Rematches subpage? ==

I'm curious if there would be interest in adding a subpage to display trainer rematches for each route. It doesn't make sense to put all that data on the route page, but eventually it would be cool to have all the trainer rematch info (pokemon, levels, etc.) recorded somewhere. Something like Route_10/trainer_rematches. Good idea? Bad idea? --[[User:PagodaGiftShop|PagodaGiftShop]] 22:03, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu route naming ==

I created a page for users to give their opinions about how Isshu's routes will be handled (they start over at Route 1): Bulbapedia:Isshu route naming. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 02:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Route 1 (Isshu) draft ==

I've started a [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Route 1 (Isshu)|draft article]] for Isshu's Route 1; you can add any newly-revealed information to it. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Redirects ==

Should we make redirects for "rt 1" etc.? →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 02:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:No. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

==Shiny Leaf==
I mentioned this on the Shiny Leaf talk page, and it would be really useful and increase the quality of HGSS Route articles, if, someone added a section which could tell which natures can find shiny leaves onto the route template. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Project Routes

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Desukaan563:

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==Maps==
Okay, so, Route 28: yes K-J map. Route 27: no. And I've had an idea: a combo map for the list, showing all of the areas in one big map. We could combine it canonically, since there's that one map floating around here... Maybe. I'll ask Zhen Lin about the animation later if you haven't already. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 21:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I've been a bit busy lately, so if you could ask Zhen Lin, that'd be great. The large map idea for the list sounds like a plan as well, as that would really give added detail to the list page. Also, the main reason that I wanted to move this discussion here was that, believe it or not, this page was the #1 wanted article on Bulbapedia because of all the links created from the article footer template. =) --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 04:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::All right. I shall do so. And as for the combined map: [http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2430/pokmonworldhz7.png]. Should I fill in the empty spot to the west with some abrupt end to the continent? And to the south of Kanto and Johto, the Orange Islands? Or a giant AREA UNKNOWN sticker over ocean? And what about those cheesy region labels? Keep 'em, or out with them?

::And... wow. Oops? How many is that, 40, 50 links? Ah well. I sent off an email message, so hopefully I'll get a reply today. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 03:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Animation is fine, provided:
# The first frame is sufficiently informative - some people disable animated GIFs, so for them they will only see the first frame.
# If the animation loops, then the animation must not become irritating - so a slow strobe would work, but blinking is not good.
# Try not to exceed 200KB per image. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 03:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

::That works. TMF, what's your appraisal of this [http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3517/kantoadvancemapwx7.gif]? I've already added Route 1's to its article and modified the template, but we'll have to get cracking with the other regions fast. I should finish them all for Kanto by tomorrow night. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC) (Modified 07:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC).)

:::That looks great. These'll be excellent additions to the articles. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 08:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::::All right. I'll get to the Hoenn ones for the articles we have right now, then go back and start creating the articles we don't have yet in Johto and Sevii to implement the maps. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 08:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::I changed the infobox to use "(Region) Route(Number) Map.gif" as the default map, so that should make the regionmap entry redundant for all of the numbered routes. For the named routes, the regionmap entry is still available so that the correct map can be shown. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 21:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::All right. That works, makes it a whole lot easier, then. All I gotta do is save the files to the right name. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hi there! I'm rather new around here but I wanted to help out with getting maps in for Sinnoh. I noticed [[User:TTEchidna|TTEchidna]]'s animated maps with route highlights and thought I'd try to replicate that for routes that are still displaying the default image. [[a:Image:Sinnoh_Route202_Map.gif|This]] is my attempt for Route 202. Should I keep making and uploading them? - [[User:Shadowtrooper|Shadowtrooper]][[Image:MasterBallSpriteSmall.png]][[User talk:Shadowtrooper|Talk]] 01:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::Well, it looks all right, I do think that the highlight should have rounder edges, though, but eh, that's just me trying to mimic the in-game dex location thingy. Just remember if you do one of those underground/in-cave/other thingy areas (like [[Three Isle Path]] is), that you wait for me to give you the go-ahead. I'm planning to use a red marking for those ones, like what appears for Carnivine's area in the dex.

::Or heck, I could even give you all of the resources I use to make those maps, and you can go from those. If you're interested, contact me on AIM or something, or even on my talk page. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

==Infobox==
Hey, Route people - how attached are you guys to the current style of the infobox? Because to be honest, the style bothers me each time I see the infobox, and more than once I've been tempted to edit it. Can something at least be done about the seemingly random background colors of the infobox's sections? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:What do you suggest for it? For the colors, maybe having them differ depending on whether it's a majority-land, majority-sea, or majority-cave would break up the monotony, with it being shades of green for land, shades of blue for sea, and shades of light brown or grey for cave. It'd certainly make it easier for a person to tell at a glance which one it was, if the route doesn't yet have an in-game map of it available.
:Just so long as it still incorporates all of the stuff we have in it now, I'm fine with changes. Especially the regional overview map that indicates its location, as I haven't yet had a chance to add that in on every route article made so far. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 17:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::I guess, and again that wouldn't be too hard to incorporate. I'd really rather just see a colorscheme that's less random than green, lightgreen, gray, gray, cyan.
::And I don't see any problem with the content of the infobox. It's just the appearance that bothers me. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 19:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, the new version looks awesome. Much more colorful. And leaving the type part out of [[Route 219]] makes it just plain white. So that works out perfect, since we don't know if it's all water, or if it's more like 118, where you have to surf across a teeny strech of water to arrive at the rest of the route. And now to help add the type to all of the rest of the routes... [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 22:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Glad you like it. I think it also helps to combine some things into the same rows - such as having the alternate name with the normal name, so there's no empty 1px white line if there's no alternate name. I personally think it's a better fix than turning off rules entirely. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::The revamped infobox looks real nice. To be honest, the old formatting and background colors were based on [[wp:Template:Infobox road]], so I wasn't attached to the old formatting in the least bit. Again, Pie, great job with the new infobox coding!
:::::I don't think the alternate name should be in the same row as the road name, though. After all, the name of Route 16 is not "Route 16 - Cycling Road", it is "Route 16". --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 08:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Well, I tried it both ways - the problem is that if there is no alternate name, as is the case with many routes, the slot for the alternate names shows up anyway. It was invisible with no rules, but with rules, it's an annoying little strip between the title and the rest of the table. I think people can figure out that it's just an alternate name by the content of the article. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I would agree with you if I was able to see that white strip that you mention. I use Firefox 1.5, so the infobox renders as designed (no strip, alternate name or not). --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 08:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Huh. Maybe it's just my version of Firefox, then. But if you can't see the dividing rules, why does it bother you, then? I mean, if we gave it a separate cell with a different background color, then you'd just have the problem I have when there's no alternate name - you'd see a 1px strip of the background color for no apparent reason. If we gave the separate cell the same background color, then it would look the same to you either way - but make the strip visible to me. I don't see how putting the alternate name in a separate cell could possibly help anything. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::BTW - upgraded to 1.5, and the table still appears the same. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

(back to the left) I have no idea why that would be the case, but that's interesting. Gotta love technology. =) In all seriousness, I made a tweak to the infobox coding so that the alternate name entry is optional. I removed the empty entry on [[Route 15]], so check it out to see if making the entry optional fixes the bug. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 08:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, that's not the problem. See, the thing is that if there was no alternate name, it would do just as it was told - put no name. But it would still make an empty two-column cell in the table, between the title and the rest of the infobox information, 1px wide. The only way to fix this is to have an actual infobox on-off switch, so that the code does not include a "|-" in the line before where the alternate title would go - or, the easy way, to just include the alternate name in the same cell as the main name, and do away with that separator completely. Do you understand, or do I need to switch it temporarily to demonstrate the problem to you? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I just found an easy way to show - check the infobox for {{m|Wave Guiding Bomb}}, which has a blank entry for its battle description and contest description. Note that the cell is still made - that's what happens if there's no alternate name and the alternate name has a separate cell. (Or can you not see the rules on that infobox, either?) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::Looking at the current coding of the infobox, the alternate name is already in the same cell as the main name of the road on a lower line, which I have no problems with.

::(This just dawned on me) However, if you mean that the ''previous'' version of the infobox that gave the alt. name its own cell was the glitchy one, then please accept my apologies for misunderstanding. (It is 5 AM EST, so that explains my lack of clear thinking) --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 09:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Yes, that was what I was talking about - and what I thought you were talking about. I had a feeling there was some sort of miscommunication. Glad we got it cleared up. ^^o (And it's the same ridiculous hour here - hi, Mr. NYer, I'm from RI. But I'm a little more used to operating at this hour, I guess...) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::(Post-edit conflict): Yes, I can see the little 3px "blank cell" between the two sections. So that confirms you were referring to the previous version of the infobox. Sorry for the misunderstanding on a ton of levels (I'll go to bed before I come off as an ever bigger moron by making more stupid assumptions...) --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 09:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Hey, it's all right. It's an understandable mistake - being a moron would require you to restore a page after I reverted it to a redirect four times with explanation, warning, and all. (But on another note, sleep isn't a bad idea, considering the sun's just starting to come up here...) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

==Appearance percentages==
One issue done, and onto another - since the Pokémon species articles have enough needing to be added without having a "game locations" table fifty pages long for the common species, but the locations table will link to the routes and locations they're found in anyway, perhaps on the route articles the exact appearance percentages and levels of Pokémon on each route could be added? Not immediately - though given how quickly you guys seem to be working, I wouldn't be surprised if it could be done sooner than it'll take to fully flesh out and organize the first fifty species articles... --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:That's a good idea. I've seen it on a few of the route pages so far, I figure we could do it for them all eventually. The levels would be a nice addition, too. If we used a table, maybe we could use little color boxes that'd represent the eleven versions, showing which ones they appear in, so the table doesn't strech. They could be labeled, like, a red one colored FF0000 have an R, a blue one colored 0000FF with a B, a yellow with FFFF00 with a Y... Then for similar-colored ones, like Ruby and Red, Ruby could have a darker or lighter color, I think. Maybe Groudon-red, which seems a bit darker than FF-red. Likewise, Sapphire could have a darker blue, like the one called sapphire in the list of colors on Wikipedia. And Emerald could have a darker green than LeafGreen. Heck, I'd think we should go by cartrige color, having the FR box be more orange than the R box, and the LG box being closer to 00FF00 green than the G one, which would be closer to the 008000 one, like (I assume) the cartrige. And maybe they could have links to each version, like R and B would link to Red and Blue, in case someone's still confused about it.
:I dunno. Mine might not be a workable or even smart idea, I think it'd look cool, though, not that that's the important thing. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 08:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::It's a good thought - but if I'm picturing this design correctly, I think the main problem would be that it might be even more difficult than it is currently to note the differences between the versions, including levels and appearance rates. Though if it were still split up by generation (which is never a bad idea anyway), it would be similar to the current design, but quicker and easier to understand with the visual aid. (In fact... hang on, I think I'm going to try semi-incorporating that idea into the Route 1 article.) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 08:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Pie, that table looks excellent. The only question I have is where would I find the appearance rates? For the levels, I can get those for Gen. II easily, but I'd have to do some guesswork for Gen. I and III. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 21:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I looked around - the only website I've found that has appearance rates is [http://psypokes.com/ Psypoke], and it's difficult to convert that information - they have the percentage a Pokémon appears on a route for each version, but they don't have any pages with the whole route's appearance percentages. Other websites don't mention the appearance percentages at all, and I haven't found one yet that says the levels. If we can get that information - which we may have to do by playing our games a lot and checking published strategy guides instead of online ones - we'd probably be the best source out there for wild Pokémon encounters. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 00:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I just noticed that the Japanese Pokémon Wiki lists Pokémon levels for every Generation (at least on Route 3). I wonder where they were able to obtain their information and, more importantly, if those levels would be correct for the English-speaking games. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 05:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Also, what colors should be used for Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald? --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 23:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've mostly been using the ones I use in my user profile - and for Ruby and Emerald, I use fee and efe. However, those are really pastel on their own, and there's nothing wrong with reusing fcc, ccf and cfc - first off, RSE doesn't share any routes with RBY or FRLG, and if you notice both R and FR have fcc as their color anyway and it looks fine. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 00:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Widening the scope? ==

This project already covers all numbered routes and major non-numbered routes and paths. Should we widen the scope to virtually anything that isn't in a town/city (which would widen our scope to include areas like Cerulean Cave, Viridian Forest, Rock Tunnel, Union Cave, etc.)? --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 21:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know - they don't really seem to fit, just by the fact that they're not Routes in any sense. Maybe you need to start a new project - or create an umbrella project for this, Project Cities and Towns, and all other locations - Project World or something. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 00:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::Well, some of the caves could count as routes, like Union Cave and Rock Tunnel, since they have two separate ends and need to be passed through to get to the next destination. Cerulean Cave wouldn't, though, since it's one-way, and doesn't connect two places, but instead serves more as an optional dungeon-- which everyone takes anyway. Or else we could move the caves and such to a Project Caves or Project Dungeons, leave the underground connector routes to here... We'd have to be careful about naming it, though, Ilex and Viridian Forests, and Petalburg Woods aren't really dungeons or caves. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::Point taken. I agree with you whole heartedly. In retrospect, I wouldn't consider Viridian Forest (which is completely encompassed by Route 2) or Cerulean Cave (which has only one way in and one way out) routes either. On the other hand, Union Cave, which links the Ruins of Alph, Route 32 and Azalea Town via Route 33, may fit in the same way that Diglett's Cave does.

::As for the umbrella project, here's an idea for a hierarchy:

::{| border=0
!Parent
!Descendant
!Sub-Descendant
|-
|rowspan=2|Project World
|rowspan=2|Project Locations
|Project Cities and Towns
|-
|Project Routes
|}

::Here's my reasoning for the World/Locations parentage. Let's say someone wants to start a project for PokéMarts (including the three department stores). Instead of being an orphan project, it would fall under the realm of Project World. Also, similar to Wikipedia's [[wp:WP:USRD|U.S. Roads project]], which encompasses all states that don't have their own project, Project Locations would cover all areas not covered by Cities/Towns or Routes. Thoughts? --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 01:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, come to think of it, World is a bit too large - in a sense, Pokédex, MoveDex, and BerryDex would all fall under it as well - the only thing that wouldn't would be stuff like Project TCGDex and Project TFGDex. Maybe just stick with the Locations umbrella for now, and later consider something with an umbrella that large. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 03:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I agree there, Project World would be more like a huge parent project for the games' separate things. But the sub-project Locations could be used for things like landmarks, which Viridian Forest, Union Cave, and several other not-really-routes fall under. Heck, sub-sub-project Landmarks could fit all of the blue-dot-things in, like Lavender Tower, Victory Road, Mt. Moon, Mt. Ember, Mt. Mortar, the Tin and Brass/Burned Towers...
::::However, I do think that some of the caves and such fall under designations as both landmarks and routes, like Ilex Forest and Rusturf Tunnel. We could include them as part of both, could we not? Likewise, Indigo Plateau could fall under both Landmark and City, since it's not a city in the strictest sense, but still not just a minor landmark, like Rock Tunnel. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:TTEchidna|TTEchidna]] ([[User talk:TTEchidna|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TTEchidna|contribs]]).

(back left) I think that we need to adopt a set standard on what landmarks should be considered routes. Here's my proposal:
*Tunnels and paths (Jagged Path, Diglett's Cave, Rusturf Tunnel): Yes
*Inter-route single-level caves/forests (Union Cave, Diglett's Cave (again), Ilex Forest): Yes
*Inter-route multi-level caves (Mt. Moon, Meteor Falls): No
*Intra-route caves/forests (Rock Tunnel, Viridian Forest, Petalburg Woods): No

Anything that is a "No" above would be covered by [[Bulbapedia:Project Locations|Project Locations]], which is the new parent of Project Routes. Also, the [[List of locations by name]] needs a good amount of expanding.

BTW, Project Locations covers everything from [[Pokémon Tower]] (Lavender Tower) to [[Cerulean Cave]] to [[Viridian Forest]]. I'd consider Indigo a city, personally. I dunno why, but when I think of Indigo, I consider it a city, as it has a Poké Center and a PokéMart like other cities. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 19:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:Sounds like a plan to me. And the only reason I said that Indigo could be both is because in GSC, it's only a red dot on the map, not a square like the other cities. And there's not much else there in all three generations besides the league. Speaking of Indigo Plateau, would the two Victory Roads fall under the same jurisdiction, since one's technically in the middle of a city, while the other's an intra-route cave? Do they have separate articles, even?
:Also, oops, I forgot to sign it. I could've sworn I did... Ah well. Tildes away: [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 22:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::Both Kanto Victory Roads wouldn't be routes under the above proposal. The Gen. I/III Victory Road is an intra-route cave located entirely within Route 23. The Gen. II Victory Road is an inter-route multi-level (in this case, two levels) cave.
::I see your point completely regarding Indigo as a combo landmark/city. Still, I'd consider it a city, but that's just me. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 23:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Would that count for Hoenn's too, though? Since it's in the middle of a city. It'd be like the Brass and Tin Towers, right? Those are in the list, so I figured I'd put the two VRs there too.
:::Also, what're your thoughts on the [[Tin Tower#Pokémon|Tin Tower]] Pokémon distribution? Do you think that it's good enough for when we get to the Whirl Islands as well, for Lugia, and for Cerulean Cave, Mewtwo? Would it work for anywhere that there's a legendary catchable? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

::::That would count for Hoenn's as well, as it meets two of the "no" requirements: an intra-route (city) cave and it has multiple levels. So yep, the three Victory Roads would fall under the realm of Project Locations, not Project Routes (so their inclusion on the list of locations page is OK). For the Tin Tower Pokémon distribution, I would use "Event" rather than "Special Encounter" personally. Everything else looks fine, though you could probably get away with combining all of the tables into a single table. See [[Cerulean Cave]] and [[Pokémon Tower]] for how I set the tables up. Now I just have to add Mewtwo to the Cerulean Cave list... --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 01:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

(back to the left) All right. I'll get right on it. And I've just noticed something... We don't have an article with the definition of Route. Maybe we should make it so that people will know jut what is and what isn't a route when new stuff's released. And yes, it looks much better. Now to do the easiest two ever: Terra and Marine Caves. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 03:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

:That's a good idea. I'll make the [[Route]] article, complete with the definitions agreed upon above. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 03:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

== Summary of infobox changes ==

Here's a brief summary of the changes I made to the infobox today:
*For numbered routes, the region map now appears automatically. For named routes, parameter "regionmap" must still be set.
*The region name in the "region" parameter no longer needs to be wikified upon entry into the box as it is now wikified by the template - in fact, by wikifying it, it disables the automatic map retrieval.
*Region_special has been implemented for routes that span two regions (currently, this is limited to only Route 28).
*The "junction" parameter can be omitted for routes that have no junctions. In its place, the word "None" will be displayed for junctions. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 22:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

And another that was made a couple of days ago:
*The "alternate name" parameter is now optional.

A lot of routes need to be tweaked to match the new coding, specifically the region name needs to be delinked, the alternate name parameter can be omitted where it is not used and, for numbered routes, the regionmap entry can be removed. Comments and questions are welcome. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 22:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:I tried a while back to implement some sort of way to indicate on which of the Sevii Islands the routes there were, in the same place as the alternate name thing, but it ended up messing things up, so I changed it back. Is there any way to make it do that without screwing up the regular routes? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 02:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::Yes, there is, and I just did it. =) The "sevii_island" parameter should work now with no problems or conflicts with "alternate_name". --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 02:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Perfect. Now it'll be easier for people who can't tell which island is which. But should I put it as the number or as the name, Knot or One Island, for example. I've always considered the numbers to be the town names, and the names to be what all of the parts fall under. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 18:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah, we should use the number (One Island) for the town on the island and the name (Knot Island) for the island itself. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 21:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::Okay. So that'll be something to do in a little while, stop redirects from One Island and such to the named one, and give the numbered one the town infobox and so on. Or else, we could just plop the infobox into the named island... It's your call. Should we un-redirect them all, then use One, Two, etc. for towns, and the others (Knot, Boon, etc.) as something like sub-regions? We might have to fix considerable numbers of pages which might rely on the redirect... [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::Here's an idea. The numbered island pages (One Island, Two Island, etc.) should probably be converted to disambiguation pages. On the page, it'd be something like
::::::{|
|-
|'''One Island''' can refer to two locations in the [[Sevii Islands]]:
|-
|*The island known as One Island, officially named [[Knot Island]].
|-
|*The town named [[One Island (town)|One Island]] on Knot Island.
|}
::::::The city infoboxes would then be placed on the (town) articles. The location infoboxes would go on the Island articles. The only place where a disambiguation page isn't necessary would be [[Floe Island]], where the town and the island are the one and same. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 01:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

(back left) Perfect. Works well enough that it'd not be too much of a problem to change the names in the templates on the Island Route articles. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 23:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

:OK, the first of the disambiguation pages has been made at [[One Island]]. Once the articles are made for the towns on the islands (ex. "One Island (town)", "Two Island (town)", etc.), I'll convert the rest of the redirects to disambiguation pages (with the exception being Four Island, of course). --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 00:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

::And now, what colors to use for them? One Island's reddish, because of the island's relation to fire, and I'd have a light blue for Four Island, if we do that infobox there. Also, speaking of the Sevii Islands, should all nine go under locations? That'd even allow us to break apart Four Island and Floe Island, with Four Island falling under Cities and Towns, and Floe Island talking about Icefall Cave and such, like I've sort of modified [[Knot Island]] to do. I'm already putting Birth Island and Navel Rock as locations. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Yeah, the islands themselves should be under locations. You make a good point with Four/Floe Island there, as I forgot about Icefall Cave earlier. Oops. So, as you stated, Floe Island would be a location while Four Island would be the town. Birth Island and Navel Rock should be locations, as there are no towns called Eight Island or Nine Island on them anyway (at least, not to my knowledge). For the colors, as you said, Islands 1 and 4 are pretty obvious. Two Island has the waterfall north of town (so maybe a deep pastel blue), for Three Island, the area is densely populated with forest (green), Five Island has the nearby meadow (light green?), Six Island has the Ruin Valley (maybe the cave color from the route infobox) and Seven Island has Sevault Canyon (maybe cave again?). Those are some of my ideas. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 07:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I think they're all good, but maybe we could have either Six or Seven be a lighter, more sandy-brown color, instead of the dark cave brown. And remember, Six is also made up of the Green and Water Paths, Pattern Bush, and Outcast Island, though Seven might be good with cave colors in the infobox. I did have a hard time choosing for Navel and Birth, though... And I wonder, are there yet redirect pages for [[Eight Island]] and [[Nine Island]] to them? If there aren't yet, that's what I'm doing next. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 09:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

== Routes or not? ==

Here's a small grab bag of locations that I couldn't make up my mind on whether they are routes or not, along with my personal opinion. Thoughts and comments are welcome.

*Ruins of Alph - No
*National Park - No
--[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 03:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
:Those two are definitely more landmark than route, even though they have more than one entrance. And since the Ruins of Alph refers to the outside area as well as the Unown caves, it's different than, say, Tanoby Ruins vs Tanoby Chambers. Tanoby Ruins is more of a route... well, mostly for how it appears on the map. And what of Fiery Path, is it more a route or a location, since it only goes within Route 112, like Viridian Forest stays within Route 2. Seaside Cycling Road is certainly a route, as Cycling Road in Kanto is, even if it begins and ends on Route 110. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

::Very good point regarding Fiery Path. The lazy answer would be to say point #1 of the route definition (tunnels and paths are routes) makes Fiery Path a route. But even at 2:30 AM Eastern, I won't be lazy. =) To me, this is more about perspective than anything else. Fiery Path, IMHO, is a route because it is a named road and it is a straight-forward, point A to point B path. This is different than Viridian Forest mostly because with Viridian Forest, a trainer has to make no less than 10 or so turns to traverse the area, plus if you're not careful, you could get lost in Viridian Forest. If someone gets lost in the Fiery Path, well, it's time to buy them a [[Town Map]]. =) --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 06:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

:::A good point. Eh, I suppose it could count more as a route anyway, after all, in-game it's more mandatory than Mt. Moon is. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 07:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

:::How about Three Isle Path? It goes within Three Isle Port, and only that. Location or Route? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 21:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

::::Three Isle Path could go either way IMO. It could be a location for being within a route or it could be a route in the way Fiery Path is. My personal preference would be to make it a route, since it's fairly easy to navigate and it is similar in nature to Fiery Path and (in composition, not where it links) to the Rusturf Tunnel. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 22:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

:::::All right. I assumed as much. I just added it on the list, so an article'll be coming up as soon as I get done with the next couple. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 03:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Tengan Mountain Range: Route or not, for future reference? I'm kinda... iffy on it. Maybe we should wait for D/P to come out and people to get that far? After all, it seems to be some sort of overland path, with Route 211 going through maybe a tunnel underneath... Should we leave it unclassified for now, then add it to whatever list we decide later? I mean, it might be something like the Sevii Routes, just named, instead of numbered as 231. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 11:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I'd say wait until D/P are released before we classify where it falls under. That'd be the safest bet. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 23:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== Remaining Johto Routes ==

I probably won't have the chance to really finish them up until this November, since I didn't bring a GBA or SP with, just my DS. However, the Hoenn and Sevii ones I'll definitely be working on when I get the chance. As I've been adjusting to college, I'd say that next weekend's when I'll certainly be back to my full capacity. I'll try getting out something during this weekend, though. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 03:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== Exciting news! ==

[http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml Check it out!] Routes 201-230! That's 15 each. Won't be too hard to get everything Wiki'd up by the time the game comes stateside, I don't think.

...only problem is that there are no ''WORKING'' ROMs for DS, so we're kinda... eh, limited with the map we have. Hopefully there'll be a better-res version (preferribly in PNG) soon... Ah well. I'm updating the list of routes with this new info from Serebii... [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

:Sounds good. I've been on a "Bulbabreak" for three weeks, so I'm more than ready to get back to work. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 00:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah, and I haven't really been doing many of the routes, I've mostly been working on the Shin'ō dex order. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 19:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Meh...apparently I won't have as nearly as much time as I thought I would, so I probably won't be able to get back to work on the route articles for another couple of months. Sorry. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]] 01:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

::::It's all right. We don't need them all done completely immediately. Besides, this is a whole community of editors, it'll all get done eventually, and probably STILL before DP comes out here, no matter how many of us are missing. Don't be down on yourself because of it. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 04:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

==A new participant! Chosen!==
I have the pages for [[Resort Gorgeous]] and [[Water Labyrinth]] up. Obviously, there are things missing, but I put up Items and put the Pokémon in.
:Well, they're looking all right. They could use a few improvements, though. Gotta stress the use of the preview. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== Music? ==

I know if we actually put the music itself onto the server, it might get us into real trouble, usage and space-wise. Well, I dunno, would it fall under fair use? Eh, it's a bit big anyway, so we can safely say no to it. However, route music is, to me, one of the most memorable parts of the Pokémon games. I mean, tell you the truth, I was extremely happy at the inclusion of the Route 42, 43, 44/Lake of Rage music in the Sevii Islands routes. So happy, I literally jumped up on hearing it, and just sat there and took it in.

But since this is an encyclopedia on all things Pokémon, why don't we include some sort of reference to what the route music is, such as a link to a page on the track itself, or routes/areas with similar music? It could go into the infobox, no problem, however... I'm crap at trying to set those in, and I'd like the opinions on the others in the project before saying "let's plow forward with this!" [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 09:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
:I feel the same way about the route music (and, yes, I was just as excited as soon as I set foot on a Sevii Island route and heard some of the early Johto music). I think the best way to do it would be to create an entry in the infobox with a link to the "track", then create a page for the track that can mention what routes the track is used on. What the pages for the track should be called, I have no idea as, at least as far as I know, the tracks have no name. I could be wrong, though. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''TMF''']] [[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|Let's Go Mets]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|Stats]] 13:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
::They have names according to the official CDs of the music... However, those are merely a reference to the Japanese names of the towns and such. For example, Routes {{rtn|13}}, {{rtn|14}}, and {{rtn|15}} are listed as "Road to {{tt|Sekichiku|Fuchsia}} - from {{tt|Shion|Lavender}} Town", and Oak's lab is listed as "{{tt|Okido|Oak}} Research Institute". We could do it like the Japanese anime episodes' names, with the names as Japanese, but using the tt template for their English translation.

::The only potential problems I see arising are from Nanashima, which is the name, according to the track, of the route music for the late Sevii routes. As you might know, Nanashima is the name for the Sevii Islands themselves. That'd be a problem if we were to have redirects from Japanese place names to their English-language counterparts, as we do with some. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 08:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea just to have a little section on each Route artcile entitled "Music" and a rough description of what the music is like. For example, the Music section for Route 1 could say something like this:
The background music played on Route 1 is a cheerful, bouncy tune. The same music can also be heard on Route 2 in Generations I and III. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 11:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Ranger==

I don't know if anybody noticed this, but for Fiore locations, East Road was listed, but North Road was not, so I added it.

==Pokémon Lists==
New proposal for the Pokémon Lists.

The current one (taken from Route 6), would be...
{| border=1 width=350px style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #999; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #{{RouteInfo/landdark}};"
! width=20% | Name
! width=18% colspan=3 | Games
! width=25% | Location
! width=27% | Levels
! width=10% | Rate
|-
| align="center" rowspan=2| {{p|Pidgey}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 35%
|-
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 15-17
| align="center" | 45%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Pidgeotto}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 17
| align="center" | 5%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Rattata}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 14-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Jigglypuff}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 3-7
| align="center" | 10%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Oddish}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 40%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Meowth}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 10-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Mankey}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 10-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Psyduck}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Surfing
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 95%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Golduck}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Surfing
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 5%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Poliwag}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Good Rod
| align="center" | 10
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Abra}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 7
| align="center" | 15%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Bellsprout}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 40%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Shellder}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" rowspan=2 | {{p|Goldeen}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Good Rod
| align="center" | 10
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 5-20
| align="center" | 100%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Krabby}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Magikarp}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Old Rod
| align="center" | 5
| align="center" | 100%
|}
Why don't we make it a little more readable by doing...
===Generation I===
{| border=1 width=350px style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #999; border-collapse:collapse;"
|- style="background: #{{RouteInfo/landdark}};"
! width=20% | Name
! width=18% colspan=3 | Games
! width=25% | Location
! width=27% | Levels
! width=10% | Rate
|-
| align="center" style="background: #{{RouteInfo/landlight}};" colspan=7 | Land
|-
| align="center" rowspan=2| {{p|Pidgey}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 35%
|-
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 15-17
| align="center" | 45%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Pidgeotto}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 17
| align="center" | 5%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Rattata}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 14-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Jigglypuff}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 3-7
| align="center" | 10%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Oddish}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 40%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Meowth}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 10-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Mankey}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 10-16
| align="center" | 25%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Abra}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 7
| align="center" | 15%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Bellsprout}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Grass
| align="center" | 13-16
| align="center" | 40%
|-
| align="center" style="background: #{{RouteInfo/waterlight}};" colspan=7 | Fishing
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Poliwag}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Good Rod
| align="center" | 10
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Shellder}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" rowspan=2 | {{p|Goldeen}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Good Rod
| align="center" | 10
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 5-20
| align="center" | 100%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Krabby}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" |
| align="center" | Super Rod
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 50%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Magikarp}}
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #fcc;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|R]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ccf;" | [[Pokémon Red and Blue|B]]
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Old Rod
| align="center" | 5
| align="center" | 100%
|-
| align="center" style="background: #{{RouteInfo/waterlight}};" colspan=7 | Surfing
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Psyduck}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Surfing
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 95%
|-
| align="center" | {{p|Golduck}}
| align="center" |
| align="center" |
| align="center" width=6% style="background: #ffc;" | [[Pokémon Yellow|Y]]
| align="center" | Surfing
| align="center" | 15
| align="center" | 5%
|}
[[User:Dunstvangeet|Dunstvangeet]] 18:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
:Kinda redundant to say "surfing" and "fishing" when it says it in the line anyway, plus the morning/day/night things would screw things up. Perhaps coloring the location column would help, you tell me. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

==End of Routes==

I have been wondering about this, and this seems like the best place to ask. I'm talking about the end of Routes. For example, on the [[Route 1]] page it says:

''North end: Routes 2/22 in Viridian''

However, I find this to be wrong. Routes end when they run into another route (like Route 22 ending at the beginning of Route 23), or a town. Route 1 ends when it enters Viridian City, it does not go into the city, nor do any of the other routes, so why are many routes listed like this?

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Spinner008's Corner ==

I went and hacked out the encounter rates for all the Gen I games, and I can confirm that the Japanese Red and Green are the same as the English Red and Blue. The Japanese Blue has some different rates in most places though; is there a way for that to be added to the current look? [[User:Spinner008|Spinner008]] 07:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

All the towns in Johto have been adapted to the new look for the encounter rates. Is there a way that I don't know about for doing multi-row Pokémon (like Pidgey on [[Route 29]])? Giving them each their own row looks too cluttered. [[User:Spinner008|Spinner008]] 07:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, if it somehow is different, I just put them in twice, once for GS, once for C. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::I went and updated [[Route 29]]. Doesn't it look weird, though? It'll probably look even weirder the bigger the tables are, especially things like the [[Kanto Safari Zone]] and etc. But, I don't have any solutions on how to fix it, and if everyone else likes it the way it is, then that's not a problem. [[User:Spinner008|Spinner008]] 18:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Eh, it looks fine. After all, the wild Pokémon have separate entries in the games' ROMs... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:Relatedly, we still do not have the catch rates for the Japanese version of Blue; Spinner008, you said you had obtained them. Can you post a list/table/dump/whatever of all the information please? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 23:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::Heheh! Kinda been away for a while. I've been meaning to finish up adding my data for GSC, if no one else has done it yet. I've also got the Japanese Blue encounter data, if anyone wants it (or if the templates give me a way to do it myself). :) [[User:Spinner008|Spinner008]] 08:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== Template? ==

Pokémon appearing in the wild have their own template for which games they appear in, eg for [[Route 204]]:

{{Catch/header|land|no}}
{{Catch/entry4|191|Sunkern|yes|yes|no|Poké Radar|6,8|22%|22%|22%}}
{{Catch/entry4|246|Larvitar|no|no|yes|Swarm|7|66%|66%|66%}}
{{Catch/entry4|270|Lotad|yes|yes|no|S|8|18%|18%|18%}}
{{catch/footer|land}}
The "Games" column in this template gives the editor the ability to highlight in which versions they feature, while blocking out the others.

However, the trainers seem to have been abandoned somewhat. There is currently no template to combine the "Games" column of the above template with the [[Template:Trainerentry|Trainerentry]] table. Currently the most satisfactory way to show intra-generational differences, like those between {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}} and {{v2|Emerald}}, is to bracket the changes in Emerald alongside the trainer's pokémon in Ruby & Sapphire, which does not parallel the standards set by the neat wild pokémon table, as seen on [[Route 102]]. Surely, for consistency, a template based on the old Trainerentry one, but including the "Games" column found in the [[Template:Catchentry4|Catchentry]] table, needs to be introduced to allow differences between trainers on RS/E and DP/Pt? [[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] 09:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Eh, well, since it's very rare for trainers in an area to differ by much, if at all, between paired and third games... I'm kinda hesitant. How much of a difference in how many areas are there? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, as far as I've got with Platinum (Cycling Road), over 75% of battles involve different pokémon, levels and winnings to those for the same trainer on DP... So, basically, every Route up to & including R206, aswell as the gyms. Eg, Youngster Logan of [[Route 202]] has his Shinx replaced by a Burmy in Platinum. On Emerald, the differences are few, and the R102 ones are largely exceptional cases. As for Yellow and Crystal, the differences are limited simply to the main characters (Leaders, Rivals and standard gym trainers). Still, if they've started changing trainers' pokémon for Gen IV third games, they'll no doubt carry it through into the future... [[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] 21:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

==Notice==
I should point out for trainers found on the route for Ruby and Sapphire, the amount of money the player receives as well as the Pokémon levels are different in Emerald and already prior to joining this project I personally fished some of these errors on the Route pages out and corrected them. Just want people to know this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

== Route exploration requirements ==

I posted this idea on the main talk page, but I am bringing it up here as well, just to double check. The idea was that I would add a new section to all of the Route articles, listing the requirements to fully explore the area (HMs, bicycles etc), so that people could see what they needed at a glance. I added this info to Kanto's routes, but some users said that it shouldn't have its own section in the article, and should be a sub-category in Route Description instead. I started adding the info to Route Description, but then someone advised me to stop for the time being, until the administrators had decided on the best place for the info. So I thought I'd check here, and see what everyone thinks! (If you want to see what I've done so far, have a look at the Kanto route articles. I won't be editing any more route articles until further notice.) [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:A new section is not needed for this. The main two reasons why me and the other administrators don't want this section to be added is:
#It looks messy. Lets face it, some articles will have a list of one HM and that's all. It hardly seems worth the space. We are trying to get rid of these extremely short lists.
# Bulbapedia is not a walkthrough. So we can't go, "Make sure you have a Pokemon that has learnt cut so you can get past the trees."

:As I have said numerous times, add it to the "Geography"/"Route description" section of the article, or perhaps we can incorporate into the template somehow. But having its own section is not right. As Kogsy had said early, we will discuss this further.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

::Ah, sorry, I thought you meant add a sub-category in route description, not just to add it to part of the route description! Adding it to the template sounds like a good idea, though. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Trainer Rematches subpage? ==

I'm curious if there would be interest in adding a subpage to display trainer rematches for each route. It doesn't make sense to put all that data on the route page, but eventually it would be cool to have all the trainer rematch info (pokemon, levels, etc.) recorded somewhere. Something like Route_10/trainer_rematches. Good idea? Bad idea? --[[User:PagodaGiftShop|PagodaGiftShop]] 22:03, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu route naming ==

I created a page for users to give their opinions about how Isshu's routes will be handled (they start over at Route 1): Bulbapedia:Isshu route naming. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 02:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Route 1 (Isshu) draft ==

I've started a [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Route 1 (Isshu)|draft article]] for Isshu's Route 1; you can add any newly-revealed information to it. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Redirects ==

Should we make redirects for "rt 1" etc.? →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 02:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:No. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

==Shiny Leaf==
I mentioned this on the Shiny Leaf talk page, and it would be really useful and increase the quality of Route articles, if, someone added a section which could tell which natures can find shiny leaves onto the route template. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Pokéwalker

2010-12-20T04:24:45Z

Desukaan563: /* Any answers? */

==Area Pokemon==
Is there going to be a section on what Pokemon can be found in the different areas? -Soprano23
:Look... at the area pages? The info is all there, it's on individual pages instead of on one big page. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 22:59, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
::Sorry, just saw that! -Soprano23

==Name==
I don't think it is called the PokéWalker, I think it is just called the PokéWalk. Could we possibly get a better picture too? The current one is very blurry. {{unsigned|MasterKenobi}}
:No, it's PokéWalker, I saw the Pokémon Sunday episode. Where'd you get "PokéWalk" from? [[User:Adamant|Adamant]] 16:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::Nevermind, it was the name that Serebii was calling it but now he has it right. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 15:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== PokéWalker and DS compatibility? ==

I'm wondering if the PokéWalker is truly compatible with the Nintendo DS, and DS Lite. Does anyone know if it will be DSi exclusive? On the wiki page it says this:
"The PokéWalker is only compatible with Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver using a Nintendo DS, Nintendo DS Lite, or a Nintendo DSi system. "
Is it true? I really hope so. --[[User:Will.kaufhold|form]] 06:14, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:HGSS, is compatable with ''all'' DS's so therefore so dose the PokéWalker. It will not be only DSi. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
::'''すごい! ありがとう!''' --[[User:Will.kaufhold|'''form''']] 13:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
==Locations==
Should we make the pages of all the locations of the PokéWalker now. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 02:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have info on them other than them being there in the pedometer and the Edge being unlocked by a Jirachi? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

==PokéRadar==
I was wondering why the addition of details on chaining was removed from the page? I have checked the history, and there was no reason. I have tried and tested the method for a long time now, and it has proven to be accurate. {{Unsigned|Ryu Shoji}}
:Um, this is PokéWalker, not Radar article. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 16:11, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

- But the 'PokeRadar' is the name of the part of the PokéWalker that is used to encounter wild Pokémon, which has it's own method of chaining. [[User:Ryu Shoji|Ryu Shoji]] 19:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

:: And RyuShoji was talking about the PokéRadar function on the Pokéwalker itself. Much like some of the games have PokéRadar, so does the PokéWalker. That's what Ryu was saying! Maybe you should check the edit logs first, Solar Dragon, before assuming what the removed piece of text was? [[User:ASecondOpinion1501|ASecondOpinion1501]] 06:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::: Edity bit: I have just noticed that the PokéRadar section hasn't been removed, just moved to a different section of the page. See [[Pok%C3%A9Walker#Gameplay]] [[User:ASecondOpinion1501|ASecondOpinion1501]] 06:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

== EXP etc ==
No info on how much exp you get from walking? I've also heard things such as how a Pokémon can't grow more then one level, and that if they miss moves that they would learn from leveling up if they level up on the PokéWalker. If this stuff is true it should also be mentioned.
Also stuff like what kind of battery it uses, etc. And what are the 'advantaged types' mentioned in the articles of the areas? Are these Pokémon types that deal more then 1 damage with an attack versus a wild Pokémon? [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 19:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:Exp is 1 per step and only 1 level per walk as you said. If anyone wants to add this, the battery is just a watch battery (CR2032) and if it's important, the official website's PokeWalker FAQ estimates a 4 month battery lifetime. Whe don't really know what the advantaged types do yet. From my experience, they seem to have an affect on the rarity of itemfinder items at the very least. It appears that the step requirements will be (partially?) ignored sometimes as well if an advantaged type Pokemon is walking. They don't seem to affect battles or anything like that. Hopefully the Kanto guide goes into more details about what they do. I'm thinking we'll have the complete lists of all advantage types by around 10/29 when the Kanto guide comes out. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 23:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC))

:I've found that the pokemon achieves 1 level upon being returned to the Gameboy, no matter how many steps are taken. I'd kept a low-level pokemon in there for quite awhile and amassed tens of thousands of steps, yet only went up 1 level. Likewise, I've had some take far less steps than xp needed to level & still gained a level. I got my level 10 Magikarp up to level 19 very quickly using the PokeWalker, and the xp needed to level up was the same needed when first deposited. I only had to earn a couple hundred xp to evolve into a Gyarados rather than a few thousand. [[User:MarkoOhNo|MarkoOhNo]] 20:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

== Memory ==

NGamer thought of this: does the Pokéwalker have flash memory? Or does your pokémon disappear if the batteries run out/are removed? I'd of thought this is pretty important. [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 16:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:Your Pokémon will not disappear and in some cases steps and watts won't either, you could loose somewhere around an hour of progress by taking the batteries out so they recommend sending everything back to the DS before changing the batteries. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 16:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC))

:Left without a battery long enough, the Pokewalker will reset steps and watts to zero. I discovered this the hard way. :( But at least I didn't lose any pokemon or items. I don't know how long it takes to wipe the numbers, but it went 8 hours without a battery. --[[User:MarkoOhNo|MarkoOhNo]] 02:16, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Course Unlocks ==

When a course is unlocked, is it unlocked on the PokeWalker or on the DS cartridge? I had Yellow Forest unlocked on my copy of SoulSilver, but the card somehow became corrupt around the time the Wi-Fi promotion ended. I should be getting a replacement card in a few days but wonder if I'll still have access to Yellow Forest or if I should just keep my pokemon there until I get at least one Pikachu with Fly, just in case I can't go back. {{unsigned|MarkoOhNo}}
:The unlocked courses are in with your save file, so unfortunately if your save file becomes corrupt (or you start a new game) and lose the old save file, all the unlocked courses get lost as well. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 22:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC))
:That stinks. :( Well, guess I'll just have to keep Togepi in Yellow Forest indefinitely & only transfer the loot. At least until I'm able to unlock it for my English versions. It would be cool if transferring things to the game from a PokeWalker which is currently set to Yellow Forest would unlock it on that card too. That would be a great way to spread the unlock.[[User:MarkoOhNo|MarkoOhNo]] 19:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

==Required Steps Question==
On each of the course pages, there's a listed amount of steps you have to take before you can encounter a Pokemon/find an item. My question is: Are these Pokemon unlocked "Forever", or only once per Day, or only while that particular Pokemon is in the PokeWalker, or anything else?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 17:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:Once per day, everyday at midnight the step count resets itself and you will need to rebuild your steps back up to meet that certain Pokémon or find that certain item. I have also heard reports that if you are using the PokéRadar and it hits midnight it will force you out from using it (that does not mean if you are already in a battle, that means if you are in the process of searching for a Pokémon) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 02:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC))

== W -> w? ==

Now that the {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} page is updated with English box art, should we go ahead and start changing the name of the PokéWalker from PokéWalker to Pokéwalker based on what is written on the boxes? I don't mind doing the changes, but I want to make sure that it's okay before I attempt it :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 11:44, 12 December 2009 (UTC))
:Maybe it's better to wait for official confirmation from Pokemon.com or Nintendo. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, that sounds good, that's what I was planning on in the first place, but when I saw that page got updated regardless I figured we might just as well go for it :p It can't be long until they eventually update anyways, so you're right I guess we should just wait. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 11:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC))
:::I'd say we wait until HGSS itself comes out. Never know if the boxart could change, even slightly, before release. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay, they've finally confirmed it as 'w' in their press release here -> [http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=21788 Nintendo pressroom]. So should we start the change now? [[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 15:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

== Catch rates ==

What's the chance of a Poké Ball working in the PokéWalker? Does it use each one's individual in-game catch rate, or is it determined another way? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:15, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== Man, I'm always full of questions... ==
Before me, anwser Missingno. master before me. But my question is, can the Pokéwalker connect with D/P? I really want to know. -[[User:?????|Question Marx]]
:No. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! - [[User:?????|Question Marx]]

== I have something to add, but I have no idea where to put it... ==

I'm not really fluent in Japanese (I just can read it and I know a few words), so I'll just say what happens based on the picture. Sometimes, if you walk for a while the screen is blank, a happy face or music note appears above the landscape part and if you press the middle button, it says something and you get either 10 or 20 free watts. If it's a straight face, nothing will happen. Can someone add that, please? And if you can, try it and translate the text that it says. Thanks. [[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 19:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think that would be a good thing to add, however I'm not fully sure how it all works. When I can dedicate more time to it, I'll look into it a little bit more so that we can add that, but the guides don't detail anything and I know that they are not limited to the certain amount of watts (they will find items too) ... if no one has added it, in about two weeks I can dedicate some time to filling a section like that in :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 10:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC))
::Oh, OK, thanks.
::Edit: I just found out that there's a heart too that gives you 50 watts [[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 19:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
:I'm curious as to if the step count is really accurate. It would be a worthwhile investment to put another pedometer next to the Pokewalker and compare the step counts, for both walking and running.[[User:Rcnrcn927|Rcnrcn927]] 02:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Resetting PokéWalker ==

Is there a way to reset the PokéWalker...? (Or am I kinda screwed?) I had a Pokémon stored on there when my cartridge's save file became corrupt. I exchanged the cartridge for a new one, but now I can't seem to use the PokéWalker. I can't transfer the Pokémon to another save file, according to what I've read, and I can't transfer another pokemon onto there. Taking out the battery for awhile didn't erase anything.... So now what? Toss the PokéWalker?? :P --[[User:MarkoOhNo|MarkoOhNo]] 03:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:You have to press Down + X + L and then connect with your Pokewalker. -- on another note, should those sequence of buttons be mentioned somewhere in the article? The other is Up + Select + R which brings back a Pokemon if the Pokewalker gets lost. I think it might be helpful information to add, but I'm not sure :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 07:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC))
::By all means, find a place. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== move ==

Should this be moved as Pokémon.com uses Pokéwalker? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:I believe the reply seen elsewhere was "wait until game launch; packaging can change." And that came from TTE. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, but that was for the packaging :/ They now have it announced on the official website as a lowercase w... and that was said back when the only thing we had to go on was an unconfirmed picture of the box art :p Shouldn't we consider doing it now that the official website says it? [[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 09:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Hmm... on top of that we should probably rename the instances of "Itemfinder" to "Dowsing Machine" as they have in their description on the website... [[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 10:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I think we should just put Dowsing Machine as alternative text. Also, [http://www.pokemon.com/us/news/vg_hgss_news_walker-2010-01-06/ this is the source I forgot to provide]. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

== item ==

http://pokewiki.de/images/d/d8/Course_Map_Icon.png this is a icon of a [[:de:Basisitems_(Gen._4)#Course_Map|Course Map]] for HGSS, its a basic item, but this wiki has no infos --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 08:46, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:Well.. not really. You don't have a course map in-game in your bag, that's just the sprite used on the wonder card. As far as I can tell it's just the Town Map sprite from DPPt, but there might be some small pixel differences I can't tell by just looking at it. Though I do agree that there should be some info on the course maps on the page (like calling them 'courses' instead of 'areas')... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 21:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Honestly, I think we should wait on changing it to 'course' :/ Even though that's what they're called in the Japanese versions there is a good chance that they're going to come out being 'routes' in the English versions >_<... Though I agree that area was not a fitting name for them either :/ More than the icon provided above, I would like to see the course display icons added into the articles somehow if we could make that work... The problem is just getting the pictures to do it and then where to place them... [[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 02:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I too support waiting on the translations. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:22, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Pokewalker Power ==

How is the Pokewalker Powered?Is it powered on Some kind of battery, do you charge the Pokewalker, or what? {{unsigned|Brock*PWN*}}
:Watch battery. Just wait until you get yours. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:Stock up on CR2032 3V watch batteries. Pokewalker eats through one in just a few months. The one I got in September with the Japanese SoulSilver just died this morning. I gotta stop by the store sometime later and pick some up. I hope they don't cost much.... [[User:MarkoOhNo|MarkoOhNo]] 17:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:Update: I got 2 batteries for $7 at the local pharmacy. So they aren't a LOT... but they aren't cheap... depending on how much you have I guess. :P --[[User:MarkoOhNo|MarkoOhNo]] 02:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Earning Watts at a Certain Rate? ==

How many steps are required to Recieve a Single Watt? I Think it was 15-20 steps on the Pokemon Pikachu 2, but is that still the same on the Pokewalker?
[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 22:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:20 steps = 1 watt. I didn't realize that wasn't in the article, now to find a place for it :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 03:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC))

== Temperature? ==

Does anyone know what's the highest and lowest temperature this device can survive in degrees Fahrenheit? I don't want to walk it around in the bitter winter here in the midwest...[[User:PikachuColoredPichu|PikachuColoredPichu]] 02:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's '''''fine'''''. I live in Chicago. I walk around with it all the time. It's not gonna FREEZE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::I'm just trying to be careful...I would LOVE to walk with Arceus, but...wait, does the Arceus get removed from my game card and into the device, or does it make some sort of copy like if you transferred your Chao in Sonic Adventure's games on GBA? Because if something bad happens to my walker, I may never see it again...[[User:PikachuColoredPichu|PikachuColoredPichu]] 02:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::And in case anyone cares, I don't have one yet, waiting for the English release. I can't read Japanese at all, so...[[User:PikachuColoredPichu|PikachuColoredPichu]] 02:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It gets ''transferred'' over to your 'walker. Not copied. In other words, yes, it gets removed from your game card. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 02:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::::As far as losing your 'walker goes... [[#Resetting PokéWalker|see this]]. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 02:36, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well, that helps...sorta...I'll try to take care of it when I get the game next month. [[User:PikachuColoredPichu|PikachuColoredPichu]] 02:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just thought I should mention this, it sort of does just make a copy of it. The best way to explain it is that it will take the Pokemon's information and save it within the game as if it's still there, but you won't be able to still see it within the game anymore. That is why in the event that your Pokewalker breaks, the Pokemon can be restored to the exact way you sent it without you losing any information on it. In other words, you can't "lose your Pokemon" by sending it to the Pokewalker unless you damage the game itself :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 05:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC))

== Two Seperate Questions... !/beeping? ==

So two things came into my head... on the page, it says that using the pokeradar can result in !, for Group C pokemon. but at the same time, ! is for Group C or B pokemon... shouldn't there only be one ! section, as both are the same? and question number two: does the pokewalker beep at all, and if it does can it be put to silent? many of my friends and I plan to bring these with us to school (free points for walking in the hallways =D) but dont want them taken away if they beep in class... thanks =D [[User:DeathByAnArrow |DeathBy]][[User_Talk:DeathByAnArrow |AnArrow]] 21:33, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:There are three volume settings on the Pokewalker: loud, quiet, and silent. However, the 'walker does ''not'' beep for attention or anything like Tamagotchis and similar virtual pets would. They only beep when you press the buttons and play around with it - which you should not be going in class anyway. ;) [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 22:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
::I loved watching my teachers desperately trying to find the source of the beeping back when I had Tamagotchis! :D [[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 02:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Keep the conversation Pedia related. Anything else about what you used to do with your Tama's goes to the forums. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
::::To answer your other question, the reason that the page lists !, !, !!, !!! is because that is the sequence that the Pokewalker dowsing machine uses. At first you will get one !, which will always be a group C Pokemon. If you get past that first !, then another ! will appear which can either be a group C or group B Pokemon. If you get past that, then you get a !! which will be either a group B or group A Pokemon. Finally, if you get past all of those you will get a !!! which will be a group A Pokemon only. Technically it should say something like ! (first) and ! (second), but I didn't want it to get too wordy... I hope that made sense, but there is a method to my madness ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC))
:::::Actually, both of those answers were really clear and helpful =D thanks a lot ^^ [[User:DeathByAnArrow |DeathBy]][[User_Talk:DeathByAnArrow |AnArrow]] 22:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
What do you mean by getting Past a wild pokewalker pokemon? do you have to defeat it, catch it, or what?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 12:37, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:When you start the pokeradar you will always get a '!' above one of the patches of grass. If you click on that patch, then there is a chance either a Pokemon will or will not come out of it... if a Pokemon does not come out of it, then the '!' will disappear and a few seconds later another '!' will appear... this process continues until either you find a Pokemon or it runs away (you take too much time to click on the patch). Once you click on a '!!!' patch it will always have a Pokemon in it. And as said above, the sequence it will always goes in is: ! -> ! -> !! -> !!!. I hope that helped... it's really one of those things that's easiest to understand once you've done it a few times. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 12:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC))

== Watts ==

Shouldn't we make make an Article on Watts?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 16:43, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

== nicknames? ==

Can the pokemon caught in the pokewalker be given nicknames?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 18:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:If you bring them to either of the two [[Name Rater|Name Raters]] then they can be. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 18:17, 25 February 2010 (UTC))

== losing courses? ==

I Heard that when the Pokewalker Battery dies out, you lose all your watts and steps, but not your Pokemon. What about the Pokewalker Courses themselves?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 13:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:They're stored in your save file so the only way to lose those is to restart the game ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 14:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC))
What i mean is when like you lose all your watts, and then the new, lesser amount of watts is transferred over to the games, does the new, lesser amount of watts take away the courses that had been unlocked by getting those watts that are now gone?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 13:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
::I think what Yamino means is that the courses you unlock are saved on the DS game, rather then the pokewalker. So they wouldn't be lost, unless you lost the game. The watts are stored on the pokewalker, not the game. You keep a 'backup' of the Pokémon in the game that you can restore if the pokewalker battery dies, and the same is probably true with the courses (in a sense). watts just aren't saved in the game. But I mean I don't have it yet so that's just my guess. Also I'm guessing the watts required to unlock a course is the 'total watts ever obtained' not the current watts you have, so that would presumably be stored in the game? --[[User:Derian|Derian]] 13:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thank you, that explains a lot![[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 23:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:Just as a minor clarification, ''everything'' regarding watts/steps/routes for the Pokewalker is stored in the DS except for the watts that are on the Pokewalker itself that have yet to be transferred. Every time you connect the Pokewalker to the game, all watts you had will disappear from the Pokewalker (you'll go back to 0) and be transferred over to the games where they are stored and can't ever be brought back to the Pokewalker again. This is how routes get unlocked. Not by how many watts are on the Pokewalker itself at one time, but how many watts you have sent back to the game. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 07:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC))

== How many Watts to unlock routes ==

To unlock the Resort Area and the Quiet Cave, would one need 180,000 watts, or 100,000 watts? Before I was thinking 180,000 watts, but now that I know that it takes 20 steps to get a watt, I'm more inclined to believe 100,000. [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 05:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:...What? Watts are transferred over to the DS and stored there, and courses are unlocked as the watts accumulate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== The Pursuit of Happiness ==

Carrying a pokemon in the Pokewalker increases its [[happiness]], however I've seen nothing anywhere which indicates the rate at which it increases. Do events increase happiness (catching a pokemon, finding an item, interacting with other Pokewalkers, etc) or do only steps matter in this effect? How much happiness do you get per how many steps? I'm thinking it's not comparable to steps taken in-game. I've been carrying my Eevee in the Pokewalker for at least two days and walked roughly 10,000 steps/day, but still get the "It's cute" message from the rater in Goldenrod City. (On the other hand, it comes across as VERY happy when I interact with it and based on what I've read in the summary reports after returning from a stroll.) Now that I do the math, though... 10000/256 steps is about +40 happiness.... Two days of this with no other increasing events would make the happiness level 150... still pretty close to the "It's cute" range.... Perhaps it IS comparable to the steps taken in-game happiness increasing event? But... on the other hand... it's carrying a Soothe Bell.... So it seems like that SHOULD make it 230.... Hmm.... If anyone has an answer for these questions, it would really help put my mind at ease. :)[[User:MarkoOhNo|MarkoOhNo]] 08:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:I guess carried items don't work in the Pokewalker, then. Seeing the gadget doesn't even show which item the Pokemon is carrying, that must be case. -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 01:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

== Interesting Fact? ==
With the pokéwalker, 20 steps = 1 watt. But did you know that it takes approximately 20 steps (on average) to burn one calorie as well? [http://www.pittcountync.gov/depts/planning/cdwalk/pages/info.shtml] I don't know if this counts as an interesting fact or not. If not, then someone can just delete it. I asked TTEchidna while editing for us normal folk was unavailable, but that was said was "hm" and "hmmm" so...--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 11:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== Version exclusivity? ==

So I'm using the Pokeradar at Beautiful Beach, and I notice something. I have never seen a single Staryu, Poliwag, or Wooper. Coincidentally (or is it?) that is exactly one 'mon from each rarity group. So I'm wondering, is this a series of increasingly unlikely coincidences, or are those three 'mons SoulSilver exclusives (conversely making Sunkern, Slowpoke, and Psyduck HeartGold exclusive)? And if the 'mons available on Pokewalker routes are version-specific, shouldn't there be some kind of mention of that? [[User:Billybobfred|Billybobfred]] 13:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:Nope, they're not exclusive. You have a certain (maybe 50-50?) chance to get one of either group when you send your Pokemon to the Pokewalker. Take the Pokemon out and send it again and the available Pokemon may change. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 14:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC))
:Have you been returning your pokemon from its stroll or just dropping off the pokemon, items & watts as gifts? The pokemon you can encounter only change when you return your pokemon and begin a new stroll. If you HAVE been dropping off the strolling pokemon, then I'd have to say it's just a case of bizarre coincidences... coincidenci? lol Cause I've found all of the above at Beautiful Beach using the same game. [[User:MarkoOhNo|MarkoOhNo]] 00:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:should this be put in the article? i 'walked' 25000 steps and wasted loads of watts, getting really frustrated that all i saw were psyduck :( [[User:Sorrowless|Sorrowless]] 19:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

== Three Slots? ==

Anyone knows why there are three slots when you're putting your Pokemon in the Pokewalker? -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 13:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably because that layout is shared by both the Pokewalker and Pokethlon so they made it available up to 3 but 2 slots just get blocked out when connecting to the Pokewalker. You can never use the two blocked out slots when using the Pokewalker though :/ ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC))

== Possible flaw ==
Back on the day of the release, when I put Pidgey into the Pokewalker, it didn't learn {{m|Sand-Attack}} even when it reached Level 5. But yesterday when I trained a new Pidgey without the Pokéwalker it did learn the attack. Although I don't have enough direct evidence yet to submit, I think the only disadvantage to using the Pokéwalker is the inability to learn new moves. Did anyone else encounter this kind of problem? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is a thing. A guide over on GameFAQs mentions it. [[User:Billybobfred|billybobfred]] [[User_talk:Billybobfred|It's all just wild mass guessing anyway.]] 19:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
::That's a very important thing, in fact. Now I have a Weedle that was being leveled solely to learn Bug Bite, but it won't be able anymore... thank goodness there are move tutors! Anyway, do they mention it in the booklet? I haven't seen it... -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 00:31, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

So, a related question: are these moves re-learnable through a Move Relearner?(or whatever is the correct name... I'm a bit lazy too look it up now) I'm figuring the game system recognizes your Pokemon should have learned that move in a previous level, right? {{unsigned|Pro-mole}}

Yes, since the [[Move relearner]] works with anything in the level up move set for that particular Pokemon, unless if Weedle were to evolve which alters the moveset. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 04:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

== Losing Steps ==

This keeps happening to me and I'm wondering if I'm alone in this - sometimes, usually when it is inactive for a while, my walker resets the step counter to one but I retain my volts from the steps I had. Has anyone else had this problem? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 21:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:The Walker resets the step counter every midnight. If this is happening during the day, though... not the case here. -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 00:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

::Ah, that's probably it, missed that bit on the page. Thanks. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 00:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

== "Areas" ==

Officially, they're referred to as "Routes," with a capital "R," so move them again?? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 07:33, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:I think so. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:29, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Required watts are different for me ==

This is really weird. It's only taken me 1000 watts to unlock Blue Lake and again only 1000 to unlock Town Outskirts. Am I special? Or is there a more legitimate explanation? O-O--[[User:Quilford|Quilford]] 12:43, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'm afraid to ask this... but you ''do'' mean 1000 watts that are stored in the game and not 1000 on the Pokewalker itself or 1000 sent back at one time, right? ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:30, 2 April 2010 (UTC))
::I do mean 1000 watts that are stored in the game. --[[User:Quilford|Quilford]] 21:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== 1 question ==

umm.. well i bought soulsiver when it can out but last friday i lost my dsi with soulsilver in it but i still have the pokewalker... is there any way to connect it to the new soulsilver i got today? [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 17:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:Reset it by going to the Pokéwalker connection screen on the new SoulSilver (Down+X+L), and then just connect it normally. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 17:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
what about the new pokewalker i got with the game... will that still work? [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 17:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:Well.. I don't think so. If you sync the old 'walker with the new game, then you shouldn't be able to use two different Pokéwalkers on one game... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 17:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== 20 steps ≠ 1 watt with advantageous type ==

Bug pokemon are advantageous on Hoenn Field, right? So I decided to use one there and walked around a few steps, and then stopped and checked my steps and watts. I had gotten one watt from seventeen steps.

http://tinypic.com/r/j0bj12/5 - for video proof

at five watts I was on 95 steps, and at ten watts I was on 187 steps. --[[User:Quilford|Quilford]] 22:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

:I don't believe you're correct in your assumption. What I think is happening is that the watt generation uses its own 20-step counter that isn't affected by daily resets. You might have walked three steps the previous day, then it reset, then 17 steps the next day, which would have given you a watt without hitting 20 steps in that day. I can say that I always use advantageous types and, though the daily watts may be off by 0-19 steps, I am getting 1 watt per 20 steps.
:Here's a possible explanation of your specific case:
:{|
|watts
|steps
|watt-step counter
|Then you...
|-
|?
|x(% by 20)
|0
|walk 16 steps
|-
|?
|x+16
|16
|sync, daily reset
|-
|0
|0
|16
|walk 4 steps
|-
|1
|4
|0
|walk 13 steps
|-
|'''1'''
|'''17'''
|13
|walk 60
|-
|4
|77
|13
|walk 7 steps
|-
|5
|84
|0
|walk 11 steps
|-
|'''5'''
|'''95'''
|11
|walk 80 steps
|-
|9
|175
|11
|walk 9 steps
|-
|10
|184
|0
|walk 3 steps
|-
|'''10'''
|'''187'''
|3
|you post here
|}
:If your measurements were larger and showed a difference of 20 or more steps in the watt calculation, then you'd be onto something. - [[User:Exawatt|Exawatt]] 19:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== You won't beleive this/Pokérus ==

Huge dicovery! I found a Pikachu in Yellow forest and caught it. (well, I caught three, but) and transferring it to SoulSilver shockingly reveiled it had Pokérus. Walking around with it had also infected my togepi which I'd placed in there. Please can someone verify that this WASN'T an Action Replay Code going crazy and that Pokémon can really have Pokérus on the Walker? Cheers. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 14:00, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:That's 'cause your Pikachu is in the top percentage of Pikachu! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::LOL Joey reference. But I'm serious. (PS Joey Sucks) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 14:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::: well maybe Pokéwalker "wild pokémon" are just like regular wild pokémon and have the same chance of carrying the pokérus or being shiny? That would make sense. Would just be incredibly rare! So kudos to you, man. --[[User:Derian|Derian]] 14:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Thanks. Just checking. Perhaps we could add somewhere that "Pokérus and Shinyness can still appear on Pokéwalker Pokémon, but does not appear until transferred to the Gen IV games" or something. Because it is a primative system, and people might think it won't work. I don't know. But YAY! Pokérus Ponyta! {{unsigned|SpecialK}}
:I think I can answer this. Pokérus is based on the Pokémon's Personality Values as well as the Original Trainer's ID (at least I think that's what I've heard). So the Pokérus is a lucky break for you-- that same Pikachu would not have Pokérus for everyone, but every one of that particular Pikachu should (I believe) have Pokérus for you. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::Last answer sounds most likely- I think all that's stored on the 'walker is the data that you caught x Pokémon and found x items- And then when it's transferred over, the game fills in the rest of the data like stats and personality value... at least I'm pretty sure that's when it's generated, the 'walker shouldn't have much data on it besides the player's party/walking Pokemon/items/species of caught Pokemon. Hmm. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 15:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::AndyPKMN, does that mean that if he was to catch another of the same kind of Pikachu that it would also have the pokérus?--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 01:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::SpecialK, would you try catching that same kind of Pikachu again?--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 01:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== pokemon-less random pokemon encounter ==

i want to know how the species of the random pokemon is determined. so far i have only seen pidgeys as random befriending encounters in refreshing field. i walk 7000+ steps everyday. [[User:B33f3r|B33f3r]] 01:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:The group C active Pokemon is chosen. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC))
::so you could never find anything other than pokemon from group c in this way? what do you mean by 'active' pokemon? {{unsigned|B33f3r}}
:::Active meaning the one that is available. Each group has two Pokemon in it, of which you can only get one during one walk, so it picks the one that is available or "active" ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC))

== Two Questions Pertaining the PokéRadar ==

1. What exactly are the encounter rates of the pokemon in each group? I'm finding, for example, that it was excessively easy to get Group A mons(specifically, Doduo) in Refreshing Fields, but it's extremely hard to get a special Pikachu in Yellow Forest(as in: didn't get any one during the whole week, walking 10K-12K steps every day). In other words, what exactly does "Very Common", "Common", "Rare" and "Very Rare" mean?

2. Does the speed with which I chose the marked bush influence my catching rate, or am I just deceiving myself thinking if I go more slowly I get "!!" more easily? =P

-- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 23:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They correspond to the values that I have pseudo-coded into each of the articles as reference. For example, Refreshing Field is (70, 50), (75, 75), (100, 100) -- (Doduo, Kangaskhan), (Nidoran♀, Nidoran♂), (Pidgey, Sentret). Each of those labels "very Common," "Common," "Rare," "Very Rare" were given ranges and applied based on these numbers in the official guides. The Yellow Forest Pikachu are (2, 3) -- (Flying, Surfing), so comparing (70, 50) with (2, 3), you can probably see why they are harder to find.

I couldn't answer the second question :s... I have no idea lol ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:51, 10 April 2010 (UTC))
::Where did you get these numbers? What do they actually mean? Because when you get '''!!!''' you are 100% guaranteed to get the group A active Pokémon. How do they interact when there are two groups available. i.e. when a battle activates with "'''!!'''". Say for example that Doduo was the active Pokémon: Is the probability (70%:30%,Doduo:Nidoran) or (25%:75%,Doduo:Nidoran)? Sorry to bombard you but I am kind of up several contradictory logical creeks with no means of propulsion. Thanks in Advance.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 02:22, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::From what seemed to be a rip of Pokewalker data taken when the games first came out in Japan that fully coincided with the Official Guides. I do not know when or how it randoms and works with the individual patches which is the reason I have not added them into the articles myself and the person who ripped it said they didn't know either. My best guess is as follows:

:::Let's say we have Doduo, Nidoran (regardless of gender because they are the same) and Pidgey (it doesn't matter). We would have (70, 75, 100)... when you look at how the system works, Pidgey has a 100% rate of showing up. This is so that you can't use the Pokeradar and not get any Pokemon at all. When the steps are too little for anyone in the B group to show up, C has it's full 100% only, meaning everything is C and nothing is B or A. When group B becomes available step-wise, in this case it has a 75%, so it will see if it's a hit or miss on group B. If it turns out to be a miss, then it will move onto group C with a 100% rate and pick group C. If it hits on group B, then you'll get group B. Technically, this lowers the chances to (B|75%:C|25%). The same works when A is available step-wise. Doduo will be looked at with it's 70%, if it's a miss, then it will random for group B which in this case is 75%, if that's a miss, then it will random for group C which is 100%, so you'll get a C. Effectively, this lowers the chances to (A|70:B|22:C|8) as an estimate when Doduo/B/C are chosen. -- Once it's done randoming, it could decide which number of !'s to send the player though based on the result... again... I don't know for sure about the minute mechanics... just those numbers haha... ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 02:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC))

== Running produces less Steps? ==

2 Days ago, I spent 1 hour and 30 minutes covering a considerable distance around and outside my neighborhood by alternating between running and walking. But the final count on my Pokéwalker was between 4500-5000 steps.
Yesterday, I spent only 1 hour covering a shorter distance with just walking and the final count on my Pokéwalker was between 6500-7000 steps.
Is it because I'm producing less steps with more speed? --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 11:01, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:You've hit the nail on the head. When you run, your strides are typically longer than when you walk. Therefore there will be fewer vibrations that the PokéWalker can sense, and less steps will be recorded. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:04, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

== Hacking? ==
I was wondering if it is possible to hack the Pokéwalker, you know, like the main series games? It just occurred while I was reading some articles on hacking. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 14:01, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Pretty much ANYTHING is possible to hack. I don't think anyone's really pursued the hacking of the Pokéwalker yet, though. In any case, the game would probably need to be hacked as well before anything hacked could be transferred back, so it's probably not worth the effort. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:45, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::It would be interesting if someone were to use an IR recording setup to capture and document the communication between the game and the pokewalker. Once we know the language, we can replicate it. Gift 9,999 watts then gift another 9,999 ten seconds later... - [[User:Exawatt|Exawatt]] 19:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Dowsing Probabilities ==
Others I spoke to--and even myself--originally thought that the leftmost or rightmost grass tufts had better chances (when taking second pick into account), but I did the probabilistic math and it turns out that no matter which tuft you pick, your second pick choice will always give you the same opportunity. If that's not making sense; basically there's no difference in your overall chance of finding an item between ''any'' of the grass tufts. All assuming completely random item placement, of course. I can post the detailed math if anyone's interested. I know it's not really important, but it seems to be a point of confusion among people I've spoken to. Might be worth clearing it up in the argticle.. - [[User:Exawatt|Exawatt]] 19:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:Having worked it out myself, the probability of finding an item for the end most tufts are actually 1/2 compared to 2/3 for the 4 middle tufts. Therefore it is better to take the middle tufts. Sorry this is so unclear. Will post a more detailed argument later.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 21:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::I've already done it, it was just on another computer:
::Assuming completely random placement of the item, there is no difference in probability based on the first chosen (i.e. a side vs a middle).
:::Initial pick is easy:
::::P(pick1) = 1/6
:::If first pick fails--these are all P(*|¬pick1):
::::If choosing the side:
::::P(near|side) = 1/5, P(pick2|nearΛside) = 1,
::::P(far|side) = 4/5, P(pick2|farΛside) = 1/4,
::::P(pick2|side) = P(pick2|nearΛside) * P(near|side) + P(pick2|farΛside) * P(far|side)
:::::= (1)(1/5) + (1/4)(4/5) = (1/5) + (1/5) = 2/5
::::If choosing a middle square:
::::P(near|middle) = 2/5, P(pick2|nearΛmiddle) = 1/2,
::::P(far|middle) = 3/5, P(pick2|farΛmiddle) = 1/3,
::::P(pick2|middle) = P(pick2|nearΛmiddle) * P(near|middle) + P(pick2|farΛmiddle) * P(far|middle)
:::::= (2/5)(1/2) + (3/5)(1/3) = (1/5) + (1/5) = 2/5
::::.'. P(pick2|side) = P(pick2|middle).
::::Therefore, probability of finding the item after picking a side square is equal to
::::the probability of finding the item after picking a middle square.
::I've tried to explain it in English but I end up complicating it. Basically the additional knowledge of where the item is doesn't help, since it still has a 1/5 placement. If you get 1/5 and 4/5 of 1/1 and 1/4 chances, it's the same as 2/5 and 3/5 of 1/2 and 1/3. The probabilities sort of "cancel" each other... But like I said I'm terrible at explaining this in English. If there's a serious question about whether the math is right, I can double check it with my probability professor from last semester. If it comes to it I'll see if I can work with him to determine this and the expected return of the entire game. But if nobody cares I won't bother. - [[User:Exawatt|Exawatt]] 06:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry, having reworked the problem I agree. Sorry for wasting your time. I think I read down the wrong line of my tree diagram. Would you agree that there is a 50% chance of getting an item on a given game? Given that P(pick1) = 1/6, P(pick1fails)=5/6 And P(pick2)=2/5. P(wingame)=P(pick1)+P(pick1fails)*P(pick2)=1/6+5/6*2/5=3/6=1/2=50%. Hope you can understand this. Thank you for your time and for exposing my wrongness.—[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 01:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::This was the part where my own mathematical skills broke down. I don't remember the class covering the additional "knowledge" gained after the first pick (i.e. your second pick isn't 1/5 "random"). What math I guessed at came out to total chances around ~48% (which would indicate that even with proper knowledge of the game you have a greater chance of losing), but then I did it again and came up with a much lower chance (~38%), so I know I'm doing something wrong at that point. I have discussed the above part with a math major (and real whiz), and he agrees that the second choice odds aren't affected by the position of the first choice. But... that's all I've been able to prove at this point. I'll shoot an e-mail at my professor and update when (if) he replies. - [[User:Exawatt|Exawatt]] 02:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I am reviving this because I have proved that there is indeed the 50% chance:

I used Mathematica, assigning P_1 through P_6 to be 1/6, being the chance for each of the 6 tufts of grass to have the item.

PC_* is for selecting tuft 2,3,4,or 5 (here, assume 3)

PE_* is for selecting tuft 1 or 6 (here, assume 1)

PC_get1 = 1/6 is the chance of getting the object on the first try. It is equal to P_3

PC_near = 2/6 is the chance of choosing the tuft next to the object. It is P_2 + P_4

PC_far = 3/6 is the chance that the object is at least 2 tufts away. It is P_1 + P_5 + P_6

PC_get2 = 2/6 is the chance of getting the object on the second try. It is 1/2 * PC_near + 1/3 * PC_far, because there is one object in two or three tufts if you are near or far respectivly.

PC_get = 3/6 = 1/2 is the chance of getting the object. It is PC_get1 + PC_get2

PE_get1 = 1/6

PE_near = 1/6

PE_far = 4/6

PE_get2 = 3/6 = 1/1 PE_near + 1/4 PE_far because there is one object in one tuft if you got near, or 1 object in 4 tufts if you got far

PE_get = 3/6 = 1/2

I did not refer to Exowatt's formula to write this one. Unless someone can prove that there is not an equal chance for wherever you start, I am adding this fact to the article. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 00:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

== Moves ==

This applies to the Move pages but is about the Pokewalker - should we note that some Pokemon caught on the walker know moves they normally wouldn't know naturally? Like Sneasel, it can learn Crush Claw via breeding, but knows it automatically if caught on Icy Mountain Rd. on the walker. I'm gonna check but I'll wager there are other instances of this. There are also instances of Pokemon learning moves earlier than they normally wound - Elekid learns Thunder Punch at Level 28, but the Level 11 Elekid caught in the Suburban Area already know it. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:[[User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox|Yeah, take a look]]. Quite a few 'mons know moves when caught on the walker that they normally wouldn't. A note about this can easily be made here, but should we add this data to the separate move pages? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::It helps to wait for a response when you ask something like that. Also, you're missing the most obvious and desired two: Surfing and Flying Pikachu in Yellow Forest. That's more notable than a Magby with Sunny Day, which it can learn by TM. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I didn't edit any of the move pages, I ''was'' waiting for responses. And yes, I forgot about the Yellow Forest. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 19:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::::In fact, it's not really trivia so much as it is the whole point of the device. Between the unique moves and harder to obtain Pokémon obtainable in it, that's the whole purpose of getting all those Watts.--[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::True. There could (should, actually) be a section detailing what you just said. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 20:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::I agree and disagree. I would recommend asking TTE or one of the other admins first though, just to see what they'd say about it. Either way, it's not trivia, as trivia is something most people wouldn't notice on their own. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 20:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Pokéwalker-only moves is definitely something to incorporate into the move articles and also the species articles under "special moves". Like it's done [[Surf_(move)#Special_move_2|here]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:16, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, didn't know it had already occured on some pages. I guess in that case they just need to be finished. EDIT - note ''all'' the moves in the sandbox, or exclude the ones learned at earlier levels than usual? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 01:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::All of them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Predicting the Items Received from Connecting two Pokéwalkers ==

I can't seem to find any information on the interwebs about people even asking the question about how the Pokéwalkers decide which items you get from connecting them. I asked myself this question and have done a bunch of test connections to see what items are received and now have a working method for predicting/''Choosing'' what items I get.

Now, this only works if no connections of this type have been done since loading the Pokémon into the Pokéwalker, but it takes very little time to trade the Pokémon back to HG/SS and then back to the Pokéwalker.

Here is a link to a forum post I made in the Bulbagarden forums, describing my findings.
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=58929

I didn't want to edit the main page for the Pokéwalker quite yet since I do only have about 6 documented connections of this type which meet the criteria of neither Pokéwalker having an item from one of these connections. Every one of them has a result that could easily have been predicted by the method I listed on the Bulbagarden forum, though.

I'm hoping someone is willing to test my theory, though, so I can stop feeling like I'm just shouting my findings into the uncaring voids of the interwebs. {{unsigned|QuantumPolagnus}}

::These are interesting findings. I will begin testing it tomorrow. --[[User:Spiritgun|Spiritgun]] 21:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

==Pokewalker Pokemon Personality==

Something I noticed regarding the pokemon dropped into the pokewalker. Different pokemon seem to act differently.
Here is an example: If I don't take steps for a while, my Murkrow seems to get bored quickly and when I send it back to the game, it tells me that murkrow might have been born or maybe angry.
My other pokemon don't get angry with me.
Second example: My Onix seems to find items very often. Again, not something most of the pokemon I send in seem to do.

Perhaps the pokewalker takes a bit more information than originally believed.
Maybe certain natures cause certain events to occur more often.

Please add your own experiences with this phenomena, as well as some data on the pokemon: characteristic and nature.
--[[User:Spiritgun|Spiritgun]] 21:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== A group A pokemon can end up following you! ==

I was on yellow forest with no pokemon, one came to me and a caught two group B pikachus and a group A pikachu. When I returned from the stroll I had two surfing ones out of the four I got from that one transfer.[[User:ShoutingRyan|ShoutingRyan]] 01:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:So you're sure that you returned with two group A Pikachu, two group B Pikachu and '''no''' group C Pikachu? ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 02:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC))
::This has happened to me as well. After walking a few hundred steps with the Pokéwalker without any Pokémon in it, an exclamation mark will appear and a message along the lines of "What? [pokémon] decided to follow you!" will appear if you press the middle button. Also, the message when you transfer it back to your game on the DS says "Before you knew it, [Pokémon] joined you! It seems to want to walk with you." I'd like to determine how many steps are required (if any) to get a Pokémon to follow you... ([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 05:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC))
:::This conversation isn't about whether Pokémon can join you, that is mentioned on the page, the conversation is whether the joining Pokémon can be from group A or B. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:03, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Pressing Right when a pokémon appears==
While walking in the Yellow Forest (where else?) and using the Pokéradar, I noticed that if I pressed right several times while the pokémon was appearing, it would not force me to go into the whole battle scene, and I could just leave the battle. I tried counting the number of times, but I couldn't get it to fix on a number before I ran out of watts. Anyone else experience this? --[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 03:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:I've got that occasionally, but I assumed that the Pikachu (given that I'm on Yellow Forest as well) had run away, and the timing of the button presses had matched the timing for the messages popping up, so it just appeared I had left the battle. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::That happens too sometimes, but what I am talking about is as the pokémon appears, before either makes any moves, and before the "attack/evade/catch" option appears.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 00:06, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Exactly. I think that it can happen any time that the wild Pokémon flees. If you push the button at just the right time the attack/catch/evade menu won't yet be visible, but it will register as evade. Then the wild pokémon flees, the animation for which is skipped by pressing any button to leave the battle. If the timing of the presses is just right then no menu will appear, making it seem that the battle has just been left. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:36, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== Timing using the Poké Radar ==

Well, I thought I'd time how long it takes for a wild pokemon to run away in each of the ! groups. Here are my findings:

! (first) - 5 seconds;
! (second) - 4 seconds;
!! - 2 seconds;
!!! - 1 second;

This is potentially very useful information. Should it be added to the article in a new column in the "!s = what group" table?--[[User:Quilford|Quilford]] 07:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Running away...? ==

Well, many times I'd press the middle button on the wrong bush... and the Pokémon ran away. This seems to only happen during the second ! and after. This is potentially very useful information. Should it be added to the article?--[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 01:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I noticed that a few days ago, but I didn't see your post; I added it as soon as I discovered it. — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 16:40, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Is this true? ==

Multiple Pokéwalkers
It is possible to use one game cartridge for multiple Pokéwalkers, however only one Pokémon is allowed to stroll at one time.
At the Pokéwalker connection screen Press and hold Down, X, and L .
WARNING : Resetting a Pokéwalker may also reset collected watts to zero on the game cartridge used to reset the Pokéwalker. When resetting a Pokéwalker, it is suggested that it is done with a game cartridge that has few or no watts.
After the "Caution!" message, say "Yes" and connect the additional Pokéwalker (Not the original Pokéwalker previously registered with the game), this will reset and register the new Pokéwalker with the game and reset current walk and step counters in-game temporarily.
Send over a Pokémon to the new Pokéwalker and return from stroll.
Either Pokéwalkers can now sync with the game and when the original Pokéwalker is connected for a stroll, the step count and original watt count should be restored. To have a Pokémon on the extra Pokéwalkers, a wild Pokémon from the selected walking route simply needs to "befriend" or join in the walk, this Pokémon and any other additional ones caught can return to the game normally. It is not possible to change routes on any additional Pokéwalker when a Pokémon is currently out on a stroll. The Pokémon that needs to be returned should appear on the top screen. To change routes, all Pokémon need to be returned into the game and then sent back out into either Pokéwalkers with the desired route and returned back into the game. --[[User:Legendhunter32|Legend Hunter]] 01:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

== Route Stubs ==

How come most, if not all, of the Pokéwalker Route pages are Stubs? I was going to help the articles but I couldn't really see anything wrong. {{u|Gallevoir}} 09:49 6 June 2010
:Just because I was being stupid when I finished adding all the information I could and never removed the stub notice >.< ... there is only one more thing that I could even think to add (adjust) to each of the route pages and that would be to replace the rarity words with their respective numerical values, which I'm not able to extract that sort of data myself, so someone else is going to have to do it :/ I say we just take the stub note off; they are about as good as they can possibly get :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 12:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC))

== Watts for Connection ==

I haven't done more than two connections a day(not much people I know have pokewalkers...), so I want to ask... how many watts do you get for connecting after getting 10 items? -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 03:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:Some random integer between 1 and 99. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Concern about EVs ==

Minor Concern: A Pokémon can only level up once upon returning from the Pokéwalker and all surplus EXPs are subsequently lost.
*(Status: Confirmed)
Major Concern: A Pokémon's EVs are not taken into account when leveling up upon returning from the Pokéwalker.
*(Status: Pending) --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 08:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

:'''I did an experiment''' about the gaining of EVs on the Pokéwalker and here's what I found:

*My Growlithe that I had raised from an egg and only on the Pokéwalker had stats almost equal to the Ponyta that I caught on the Pokéwalker at the same level.
**So I wrote down my Growlithe's stats and put it on the Pokéwalker, raised it a level, took it off, looked at it's stats, and you know what? They had all gone up by one of two points!

Just trying to help. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 16:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Friendship ==

I know that a Pokémon gains happiness when leveled up, but does it on the Pokéwalker? I'm very worried about putting my Pichu (that I'm trying to evolve) on the Pokéwalker, because putting in the P.C. lowers its happiness. Please, someone tell me. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 17:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:As far as I know, putting something in the PC does '''NOT''' lower happiness. Common misconception, I hate myths... [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 22:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Free items ==
When you walk certain amount of steps a smiley face appears and you get 10 watts, and if you walk more you get 20 watts and then 50. But if you walk more than that with an exclamation mark you can get an item (i think the same everytime). I got a sitrus berry on winner's path and TM 29 on night sky's edge, and it counts as one of the three items you can get at one time. Shouldn't we add this?--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 04:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

== Returning Pokemon ==

If you do thing were you Up select R and return your Pokemon to the game without connecting to the Pokewalker, If you do that then attempt to return the one on the Pokewalker back to the game will it not allow you to? [[User:Lucario and Pichu|Lucario and Pichu]] 14:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
:{{DL|Pokémon cloning|Pokéwalker|The cloning page}} says that it will automatically delete the duplicate Pokémon, even if the Pokémon in question has since been released or traded away. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:49, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites "fitting" on the screen ==

Some Pokémon ''appear'' to be 'too big' for the Pokéwalker - for example, Bellsprout fits entirely, but only Kangaskhan's upper body is visible. (This is only how they look on the screen - no Pokémon is ''actually'' too big to be used.) It can't be just a matter of the Pokémon's height, because otherwise Ampharos and Bellsprout wouldn't appear to be about the same size. I've been told it depends on the size of the sprite (in pixels); is the maximum size (in height and width) before a sprite will appear to be too big already known? (If it is, it should probably go on the page.) If it's not already known, is there a list of Diamond/Pearl sprites sorted by size in pixels so I can experiment? [[User:Cheyinka|Cheyinka]] 04:02, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:[[List of Pokémon by height|This is the closest we've got]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::That's a list of their 'actual' heights, not the height (or width) of their sprites, though. [[User:Cheyinka|Cheyinka]] 13:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::I've gotten started on making the list: [[User:Cheyinka/List_of_Pokemon_by_sprite_height]] [[User:Cheyinka|Cheyinka]] 03:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

== Would it be notable that there is no black and white compatibility? ==

In the title. --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 04:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:''The Pokéwalker (Japanese: ポケウォーカー Pokéwalker) is a pedometer device specifically for use with Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver'' I think it's obvious that it's for HGSS only. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::Well, the Black and White games also have an infrared portion on the game cart right? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 06:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, but they still don't work with it. It's specifically stated on the box, at least, the Japanese one. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 06:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not arguing that it should be able to be used. I'm saying that although it has an IR receiver, it cannot use the Pokéwalker. And I believe that is why it should be trivia. If it's not notable, then oh well. --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 02:50, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::That would be better suited to the (eventual?) "Connectivity" section on the BW article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

==Any answers?==
How do pokemon gain EVs while on the 'walker? This is important 'cause i want high stat pokemon. Plz help. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 12:27, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think they do. Can someone confirm? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:07, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I found a glitch! If u put on a shiny pichu, a generic or event one, and link, on the other person's screen, the pichu won't be facing the other player's guy, rather will be facing the other way! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 13:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:Is this exclusive to Shiny Pichu, or does it work for other Shiny Pokémon/Pichu? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::I don't recall it working for my shiny Salamence, but i might not have noticed. I will try to get a pic (if i upload it onto the archives, what would i call it?). I dunno about normal pichu, though i doubt it. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Leaf

2010-12-20T04:17:47Z

Desukaan563: /* A project */

===Major Change===
I have updated everything to match the guide book for HG/SS. When merging natures together, the original list did not have full route lists for each nature within the respective family, so the nature with the most routes attached to it was the one I went with. The guide does not touch on Kanto routes at all, so the lists are most likely still not full. Shining Leaf A/B/C/D/E are each found on specific routes, but because I do not have the Kanto information and only Leaf A/B/C information for Johto, I left it for later. When the guide comes out we should make it a little more detailed to include which specific leaf can be found on which set of routes.([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 03:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC))
:The footnotes as they are now are not fully correct. Footnote 2 claims that Fire-, Water-, Ground- and Rock-types can't get the Leaf on that specific route. However, I just got the Shining Leaf on route 33, which is marked with footnote 2, with my modest Quilava. [[User:Gwannyn|Gwannyn]] 07:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm... that's odd... that footnote comes directly from two different official guides though :/ I guess we're going to need to test both of those footnotes with different possibilities and see if the guides were wrong then. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 07:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC))
:::I can vouch for this as well. Specifically serious sudowoodo on route 33. I do see what's in common with those types though. They're all weak to water (well, except the water types, don't know what's up with them). And that's a rainy route. Perhaps the guides messed up in relation to that, as sudowoodo here gave me an unhappy face a few times before dancing for the leaf. - [[User:Trainer Hunter|Trainer Hunter]] 11:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
::::I think the Water-type is listed because Water-types get a special reaction in the rain too, just not a negative one. It would seem however, that the writers of the guides either got unlucky on those routes, or were too lazy to test it thoroughly. [[User:Gwannyn|Gwannyn]] 17:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== Leaf Crown is an accessory? ==

How does the Leaf Crown function as an accessory if there are no contests in HGSS? I don't have the games so I may have missed something but this puzzled me.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 09:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Accessories are available in HGSS to dress up Pokemon and take pictures of them in the underground path. I believe that's how it is, at least... it might be in the department store, I'm going by memory here, but there is somewhere in the games to dress up your Pokemon. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 10:03, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
::Goldenrod Underground has the dressup place. Also, I have my doubts about it being an accessory... since I got the leaf crown like five times and even when I dress up a Pokémon that's earned it, it's not showing up. Is my game on crack, or is it a lie that it's an accessory...? ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 15:53, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Actualllyy... that was kind of a mistake. I believe the Leaf Crown also only shows up on the Pokémon's status screen. Sorry. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 02:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)}}

== Aquisition Question ==
Are you required to fight wild Pokémon in the grass of a route if you want to find a Shiny Leaf there, or can you just use Repels and run around until you get it? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:You can just use repels and avoid wild encounters- so long as you're in the tall grass, it should work. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 03:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== What do the letters mean? ==

What do the letters beside the routes mean. I assume they mean that a Pokémon with one of those natures will get that specific leaf from that specific route and can only get one leaf from that route.] This needs to be stated in the article (if indeed that is what it indicates). If I am wrong could someone please explain the true meaning. Thanking you in advance.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 06:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Leaf 'A' is the leaf on the farthest left and leaf 'E' is the one that is displayed farthest right on the Trainer Memo. The letter is set per route... if someone would like to put that into better words and add it... be my guest haha... ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 08:11, 9 April 2010 (UTC))
::So you're saying that my Hasty Chikorita would need to get one Leaf off each of Routes 44, 39, 26, 18, and 11 (in any order)? I can't get five Leaves off of Route 44? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:17, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::They should all be set, so not all from one route but one from each of the listed routes (I'm 99% sure about it). If someone would like to test multiples from one route, then we can make 100% sure. Also, it has been discovered that the order the leaves are picked in has an affect on how easy/hard they are to find... that may be something interesting to add to the article if we can get some people to research the orders :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 08:33, 9 April 2010 (UTC))

== Possible for a careful fire, rock, or ground type to get the leaf crown? ==

If you have to get 1 shiny leaf from each letter, how would a careful fire, rock, or ground type get the shiny leaf for letter A? The only route in the letter A has the 2 above it, making it seem impossible. Is this how it works, or can a Pokemon get one shiny leaf for each route in the letter E? ~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 16:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:This was discussed above, in the Major Change section. It is possible for those types to get the leaf on a route with the footnote 2. I got it for my Quilava quite quickly, but my Swinub would only complain about the rain for ages before I left the route and came back, so while it is possible, it may take some time and effort, or luck. [[User:Gwannyn|Gwannyn]] 09:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Rarity ==

Are these really supposed to be rare to get? I just found out about this and pulled out my Quiet HM slave Bibarel and got all five leaves within around 20 minutes. I got them at these routes, in this order: Route 33, Route 36, Route 45, Route 7, and Route 8. -[[User:Tsanth|Tsanth]] 08:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:They can be relatively hard to get if gotten in a certain order. Specifically route 27 comes to mind as an extremely easy/hard route depending on the order you go in. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 08:25, 12 April 2010 (UTC))

== Route 12 ==

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but there isn't grass on route 12. --[[User:Swampert rox|'''Swampert''']][[User talk:Swampert rox|'''rox''']] 12:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:correct... this shiny leaf stuff is so inconsistent it's starting to get annoying -_-* ... apparently route 12 is programmed to have a leaf, but there is no grass to get it... just like route 17 is programmed to have a leaf (along with route 18 (same exact leaf)) but your Pokemon can't follow on route 17 :/ ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC))
::As such I have made a note on the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::And Lati@s is supposed to be able to appear on route 17 also, even though there is no grass. --[[User:Swampert rox|'''Swampert''']][[User talk:Swampert rox|'''rox''']] 22:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::That's different. Lati@s can be encountered while surfing (as can, oddly enough, Entei and Raikou). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::::EDIT: Route 17 does have tall grass. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 00:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Uhh... ==

Just out of curiosity, what does the leaf crown do? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 04:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:It could be to prevent a Pokémon from being traded to another game and used to get another trainer star easily (by having five Shiny Leaves). But that's just my guess. --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 18:58, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==A project==
Hey, it would b really nice if each HGSS route's article told what natures could find shiny leaves there. Just thinking --[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
:You know, I totally agree. That and adding which accessories can be found there would be great additions to the route articles. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
::If someone could alter the Route Template to include which natures can find the SL, that would help. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Rotom's Room

2010-12-20T01:11:21Z

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==Devices==
Hey, did u notice that those devices in the corners are the same as in Bebe's room? I wonder...----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 14:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Most Pokémon professors have them too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::Then pardon me, since i don't own platinum , but that would make Charon a proffessor or a "genius" Like bill. Wonder what those do? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 01:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

==Black and White==
Is the room actually called Rotom's Room in Black and White? If not, it should be mentioned as the future, but not considered to be Rotom's Room. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Rotom's Room

2010-12-18T14:38:53Z

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Hey, did u notice that those devices in the corners are the same as in Bebe's room? I wonder...----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 14:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

2010-12-18T14:23:03Z

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|release_date_na=March 14, 2010
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'''Pokémon HeartGold Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターハートゴールド''' ''Pocket Monsters HeartGold'') and '''Pokémon SoulSilver Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターソウルシルバー''' ''Pocket Monsters SoulSilver'') are paired [[Generation IV]] [[remake]]s of the [[Generation II]] games {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

Much like {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} revisited the [[Generation I]] story of [[Kanto]], HeartGold and SoulSilver retell the story of [[Johto]], with the player's starting area being [[New Bark Town]]. While the games feature several expansions in key areas, the overall plot follows the same direction as the original {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}. Some aspects exclusive to {{v2|Crystal}} are also included. Like FireRed and LeafGreen could link up with {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} to complete the Pokédex by trading regionally exclusive Pokémon, HeartGold and SoulSilver can link up with {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} to obtain Pokémon unavailable in Johto and Kanto, such as [[Starter Pokémon#Sinnoh|the Sinnoh starters]].

{{ga|Kris}}, despite being the female counterpart of {{ga|Ethan|Crystal's player character}}, is not included as the female player character, with a {{ga|Lyra|new character}} instead taking her place. Whether she is chosen to be the [[player character]] or not, this new character will still appear in the game. The unselected protagonist will take a pseudo-[[rival]] role similar to the unselected characters of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby, Sapphire]], {{v2|Emerald}}, {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

The games were released on September 12, 2009 in Japan, February 4, 2010 in Korea, March 14, 2010 in North America, March 25, 2010 in Australia and March 26, 2010 in Europe (this excludes {{pmin|the Netherlands}}, Luxembourg and parts of Belgium due to an in-game save error, with the patched copies later released on April 2, 2010).

==Changes from Pokémon Gold and Silver==
===Aesthetic changes===
* The male [[player character]] receives a redesign and is now called {{ga|Ethan}}, while {{ga|Kris}} is replaced by a new female player character called {{ga|Lyra}}.
* All the game's music is rearranged to better utilize the DS's sound capabilities. A [[GB Sounds|key item]] allows the player to switch back and forth freely between the arranged soundtrack and original chiptune soundtrack.
* Ambient sound effects are used with greater frequency than in previous games; for example, running water, blowing wind and the player walking through grass will produce audible noises.
* The [[Pokégear]] has been redesigned. There are a range of skins that can be used and changed at the player's will.
[[File:HGSSpokedex.png|thumb|left|150px|Redesigned Pokédex]]
* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned. Unlike Kanto's remakes, which contained the same [[List of Pokémon by Kanto Pokédex number|regional Pokédex]] as the originals, [[List of Pokémon by New Pokédex number|the original regional Pokédex]] for Johto has been [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|slightly altered]], including several [[Generation IV]] evolutions for Pokémon found in Johto.
* An image of certain locations, like in {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, appears when entering the location. Some of these images change depending on the time of day while others change the image of the Pokémon obtainable at the location on the image at random.
* [[Team Rocket grunts]] are redesigned once again. Team Rocket's [[Executive]]s are also redesigned from Generation II, with four new ones appearing: [[Archer]], [[Arianna]], [[Petrel]], and [[Proton]]. Like [[Team Galactic]]'s [[Commander]]s followed a planetary naming scheme, the Executives are all named for various real-world rockets.
* {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} each have their own unique battle music, while the [[legendary beasts]] each use differently remixed versions of their battle theme from {{game|Crystal}}.
* All former {{DL|Berries (Generation II)|Berry}} trees have become [[Apricorn]] trees.
* [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Elite Four]] members, {{ga|Silver}}, and {{ga|Red}} have animated battle sprites and battle intros, as in {{v2|Platinum}}. Many [[Gym]]s have been redesigned as well, some with new puzzles.
* {{m|Rock Smash}}, previously a TM usable on the field in the originals, is now a full-fledged HM as it has been since [[Generation III]]. {{m|Defog}} loses its HM status to the returning {{m|Whirlpool}}.
* {{m|Rock Climb}}, despite it not being available prior to [[Generation IV]], continues to be [[HM08]] and requires the [[Viridian Gym]] badge. As a result, several caves and cliffs have markings which allow them to be scaled like in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.
* The [[Magnet Train]]'s tracks can be seen overhead on {{rt|32|Johto}}, as well as in [[Goldenrod City]] where the tracks were previously on street-level.
* [[Pal Park]] is located where the closed [[Kanto Safari Zone]] once stood in [[Fuchsia City]].
* The player can now see how many Kanto badges they have. In the original games, the player could only see how many Johto badges they had.
* [[Ecruteak City]] and [[Cianwood City]], while sharing a theme in Generation II, now feature separate remixed variations of the same theme.
* Some music in Kanto is changed, with [[Mt. Moon]] and the [[Seafoam Islands]] changing their music to that which is used by of Johto's [[Union Cave]] and [[Ice Path]], respectively. Music in Cerulean City and Fuchsia City, as well as on [[Route]]s {{rtn|24|Kanto}} and {{rtn|25|Kanto}}, rather than taking the theme used in Pewter City, Celadon City, and on {{rt|3|Kanto}} as they did in the original Generation II games, keep the theme used in Generation I and Generation III. The music used on {{rt|2|Kanto}}, however, is different from any previous generation; the Generation II theme, a remix of the Viridian Forest theme in Generation I, is used solely in Viridian Forest, while the theme used in Generation I and Generation III is, like in Generation II, only used on {{rt|1|Kanto}}. Route 2 instead uses the theme that first appears on {{rt|3|Kanto}}. [[Cinnabar Island]] also gets its own music, a remix of its original theme, instead of using the Saffron City theme.
* The Goldenrod City Radio Tower has an observation deck accessible via elevator. This replaces the second recording room.
* There are wind turbines standing in New Bark Town and on Route 14.
* When viewing the [[stats]] of a Pokémon outside of battle, one of the stat names will be very light blue, indicating which stat is decreased by the Pokémon's [[nature]], and one will be very light red, indicating which stat is increased. If the Pokémon has a neutral nature, none of the stats will be colored.

===Location changes===
[[File:HGSS JohtoKanto.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Johto]] and [[Kanto]], the accessible regions in HeartGold and SoulSilver]]
* Elm's Lab has an upstairs level, where [[Professor Elm|the professor]] and his family live, his old house being occupied by Lyra/Ethan and her/his family.
* The {{jo|Battle Tower}} west of [[Olivine City]], introduced in {{game|Crystal}}, returns, bringing with it the exact same {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation IV}} seen in Platinum.
* Two new routes, {{rt|47|Johto}} and {{rt|48|Johto}}, are introduced near [[Cianwood City]]. They lead to a new [[Johto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]], as well as the [[Embedded Tower]] and the [[Cliff Cave]].
* [[Mt. Silver]] is much bigger and [[Viridian Forest]] is not cut down.
* [[Cerulean Cave]] and the [[Seafoam Islands]] remain as they were in Generation III (though [[Blaine]] still takes part of the Seafoam Islands), allowing the [[legendary Pokémon]] that live inside them to be battled. {{p|Moltres}}, formerly found in {{ka|Victory Road}} and [[Mt. Ember]], can be found in Mt. Silver.
* The [[Fighting Dojo]] in [[Saffron City]] takes a role similar to Sinnoh's [[Battleground]], where the rematches between the player and Gym Leaders take place.

===Gameplay changes===
* All 493 Pokémon are capable of [[walking Pokémon|following players]] similar to [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]] in {{v2|Yellow}}. [[Shiny Pokémon|Shininess]] is also retained. The player can interact with their Pokémon by pressing 'A', and can see how their Pokémon is feeling at the moment. In battle, like Yellow's Pikachu, they are sent out from the side of the screen, rather than from a Poké Ball, unless in certain situations, such as while riding the [[bicycle]], surfing, or going indoors with a large Pokémon.
* A new series of events precede encountering the [[version mascot]]s in both versions, and thus it is mandatory for the player to engage in battle with the version mascot in order to continue with the game and proceed to the [[Pokémon League]], similar to the plots of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby, Sapphire]], {{v2|Emerald}}, {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}. In the originals, it was completely optional to encounter {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}}.
* The five [[Kimono Girl]]s from [[Ecruteak City#Kimono Dance Theatre|the dance theatre]] in [[Ecruteak City]] now have a significant role in the game. During the player's adventure, he/she can meet each Kimono Girl at different points of the game where they will ask the player to do them a small favor. After receiving the [[Master Ball]] from [[Professor Elm]] and before meeting the [[version mascot]], each Kimono Girl tests the player with a battle. Once all five are defeated, they proceed to the [[Bell Tower]] (in HeartGold) and [[Whirl Islands]] (in SoulSilver) where they will perform a dance to summon {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}}, respectively.
** As these events were not part of the plot of the originals, the Kimono Girls were to be battled earlier on in the game at the Ecruteak Dance Theatre in order to earn {{HM|03|Surf}} from a man once all five were defeated. In HeartGold and SoulSilver, a mischievous [[Team Rocket]] [[Team Rocket grunts|grunt]] inside the theatre needs to be battled instead.
* [[Kurt]] and [[Apricorn]]s make a return to the series along with the respective [[Poké Ball]]s. Apricorns are now carried by the player in a new item, the [[Apricorn Case]]. As in {{v2|Crystal}}, Kurt can be given multiples of the same color Apricorn at once in order to make multiple Poké Balls.
* While the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Rainbow Wing}} and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Silver Wing}} only allow permission to climb the [[Bell Tower]] and enter Lugia's cave in the [[Whirl Islands]], respectively, the player cannot encounter their version's respective mascot until they obtain the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Clear Bell}} in HeartGold and the {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Tidal Bell}} in SoulSilver. Since the Tidal Bell cannot be obtained in HeartGold and the Clear Bell cannot be obtained in SoulSilver, those items are not required in those versions to encounter the opposite mascot.
* Unlike [[Generation II]], new tasks are put in to complete that are now required to progress the story forward, such as obtaining the [[Radio Card]] for the Pokégear to be able to challenge [[Whitney]], and the Kimono Girls and version mascot event must be completed to challenge the Elite Four.
* The [[RageCandyBar]] is now a [[key item]]. This is likely to prevent the player from trading it to {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, which does not have any item data for it.
* Similarly to the event {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Regigigas}}'s effect on Platinum, the [[Pikachu-colored Pichu]] unlocks an event near the [[Ilex Forest]] [[Ilex Forest Shrine|Shrine]], where the [[Spiky-eared Pichu]] can be obtained.
* The [[Pokémon storage system]], [[bag]], [[party]] interface, and the screen that pops up when pressing the ''Start'' or ''X'' buttons in the previous games all use the Nintendo DS's touch screen.
* [[Legendary Pokémon]] from other regions can be caught in the games. [[Hoenn]]'s legendaries, {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}}, return in HeartGold and SoulSilver, respectively, after Red has been defeated, and {{p|Rayquaza}} can be caught in both games if a Groudon from SoulSilver and a Kyogre from HeartGold are shown to Professor Oak. {{p|Latias}} (in HeartGold) or {{p|Latios}} (in SoulSilver) can be found roaming in [[Kanto]] later in the game after speaking to [[Steven Stone]]. The [[legendary birds]] can also be found in certain locations in Kanto while {{p|Mewtwo}} can be found at [[Cerulean Cave]].
* [[Cynthia]] makes an appearance in an event involving {{p|Arceus}}. This takes place in an area accessed from the [[Ruins of Alph]] that is far to the north, named the [[Sinjoh Ruins]]. This event allows players to obtain either {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, or {{p|Giratina}} at level 1. The only way to obtain the [[Griseous Orb]] and Origin Forme Giratina in this game is to choose Giratina during this event.
* The [[Enigma Stone]] is an event key item that features a use similar to that of the [[Eon Ticket]]. It can allow other Eon Pokémon to be encountered (i.e. Latios in HeartGold and Latias in SoulSilver, respectively).
* {{m|Headbutt}}ing trees to locate certain Pokémon makes its return. However, this time it can also be used to collect Pokémon from [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] after the [[National Pokédex]] is acquired.
* The {{OBP|Gracidea|flower}} can be obtained in the flower shop in [[Goldenrod City]] by bringing any [[fateful encounter]] {{p|Shaymin}} to show them.
* [[Eusine]], a major character from {{game|Crystal}} who was not in the original Gold and Silver, appears, as do other aspects originally featured in Crystal.
* A new sidequest, the [[Pokéathlon]], features ten mini-games that pit Pokémon in athletic competitions. Its system appears to be analogous to that of {{pkmn|Contests}} from previous games.
[[Image:Pokewalker.png|thumb|right|150px|The Pokéwalker]]
* Like the [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter|GBA Wireless Adapter]] that came with {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, a bonus is included with the purchase of HeartGold and SoulSilver: a [[Poké Ball]]-shaped {{wp|pedometer}} called the [[Pokéwalker]] that has the capacity to link to the two games and hold a Pokémon. Storing a Pokémon in this manner increases its [[experience]] and [[happiness]] as the wearer walks. Other Pokémon can be captured in exclusive Pokéwalker-only areas and then transferred to the main game.
* [[Apricorn]]s are now the only items collected from plants on the field. [[Berry|Berries]] are instead collected from [[Juggler]]s in [[Violet City]] and [[Fuchsia City]] in exchange for [[shard]]s, through the [[Pokéwalker]]'s Dowsing function, hidden on the ground, or from the deliveryman in [[Poké Mart]]s sent by the player's [[mom]] (if the player allows their mom to save money). Because only a few berries cannot be collected in these games, they must by traded over from other versions, similar to that of FireRed and LeafGreen. Though they cannot be grown on the ground like in [[Hoenn]] or [[Sinnoh]], they can be grown portably using the [[Berry Pots]], where the [[Squirtbottle]] is controlled via the touch screen to water four berries at a time.
* Using the [[Apriblender]], Apricorns can now also be mixed into drinks that increase a Pokémon's Pokéathlon stats by putting Apricorns in the blender and walking around.
* The [[Running Shoes]] are obtained in [[Cherrygrove City]] and can be permanently selected using the touchscreen [[menu]]. The selected item (from pressing Y or SELECT in previous games) is also on the touchscreen. Two items can be selected as opposed to just one.
* Due to the absence of the [[Vs. Seeker]], the [[Pokégear]] reintroduces an improved cell phone feature with a limitless call list. However, [[rematch|re-battling]] Trainers is now dependent on the day and time.
* [[Starter Pokémon]] from Kanto and Hoenn can be collected from [[Professor Oak]] and [[Steven Stone]], respectively, as appreciation for defeating Red.
* [[Photography|Commemorative photos]] can now be taken around Johto and Kanto with the player's partner Pokémon, team, [[Gym Leader]]s, and certain notable citizens.
* An {{pkmn2|event}}-exclusive {{p|Celebi}} unlocks an encounter with former [[Team Rocket]] boss and Viridian Gym Leader [[Giovanni]]. Giovanni was mentioned repeatedly in the original Gold and Silver, but did not appear.
* Many Pokémon have acquired the ability to learn new moves and expand and improve their movesets; for example, {{p|Togepi}} can now learn {{m|Extrasensory}} through breeding.
* The [[GB Sounds]], a key item obtained after all 16 badges have been obtained, allows players to swap the background music for the soundtrack from the original Gold and Silver, redone. New music tracks, such as the music that plays on Routes 47 and 48, also receive an 8-bit remix. However, not every track got an 8-bit remix and some can only be listened through the [[Pokémon Past Archive]] radio station in the Pokégear.
* When using the move {{m|Whirlpool}} outside of battle, instead of the whirlpool disappearing like in [[Generation II]], the player will simply surf over the whirlpools.
* Specific [[individual values]] may be passed down through {{pkmn|breeding}} depending on the [[EV-enhancing item]] that is held.
* The Trainers that appear in Viridian City's [[Trainer House]] are now influenced by communication through two Pokéwalkers as opposed to the previous method of Mystery Gifting with the Game Boy Color's infrared port due to it being available from the start.
* During the player's initial battle with the rival, he is known as Passerby Boy, unlike in Gold and Silver, where he was identified as ???. Players are still required to name him later.
* The man in Ilex Forest, who previously gave out the TM for {{m|Headbutt}} in Generation II has become a [[move tutor]] for that move. This is due to the fact that Headbutt is no longer a TM. Unlike other move tutors, he does not require anything from the player to tutor the move, and will do it as many times as the player would like.
* Similar to [[Pokémon Crystal Version|Pokémon Crystal]], the [[legendary beasts]] can be caught from the moment the player sees them fleeing in the [[Burned Tower]], with the exception of {{p|Suicune}} who can only be encountered in battle at {{rt|25|Kanto}}, instead of at the [[Bell Tower]]. Suicune can be seen running around in certain locations across Johto, as well as and Kanto.
*The map in the [[Pokégear]] has the same function as the {{DL|Pokétch|Marking Map}} for the Pokétch in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} to track [[roaming Pokémon]]. Additionally the player does not need to face {{p|Raikou}} or {{p|Entei}} (as well as {{p|Latios}} and {{p|Latias}}) in battle first to be able to track them.
*Trainers in [[Kanto]] will now give out their Pokégear numbers, whereas only Trainers on Routes 26 and 27 would do so in the original games.
*In the original Gold and Silver, the real Janine was in the lower left corner of the Gym, while one of her Gym trainers was in the middle, where the Leader should be. This isn't the case in HeartGold and SoulSilver, where Janine was moved to the middle.
* It is now possible to Fly to the [[Pokémon League Reception Gate]]. It is also now possible to Fly between Indigo Plateau or the Reception Gate and any location in either Kanto or Johto. Curiously, however, it's not possible to Fly to the [[Pokémon Center]]s in [[Kanto Route 4|Routes 4]] and {{rtn|10|Kanto}}, whereas it was possible in FireRed and LeafGreen, but not in the original Gold and Silver.
* The clock reset interface from the original Pokémon Gold and Silver was removed, as was the case with {{g|Crystal}}. In its replacement is a microphone test interface which can be accessed via the button combination X,Y and Down on the title screen; though this feature, unlike the clock reset interface has been officially mentioned by Nintendo via the game instruction booklet.

==Pokémon==
As in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, the primary Pokémon of the remakes are native to the Johto and Kanto regions. Due to advances in gameplay since the second generation, the regional Pokédex used in Gold and Silver (the [[List of Pokémon by New Pokédex number|New Pokédex]]) has been updated to include those Pokémon which [[evolution|evolve]] upon learning a new [[move]]. Rather than simply excluding these evolutions (as {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} did with [[happiness]]-based evolutions), an improved [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokédex]] was established with 256 Pokémon: five more than the New Pokédex.

Similarly to other recently released Pokémon games, Pokémon from outside the regional Pokédex can be captured after defeating the [[Elite Four]] and earning the [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|National Pokédex]]. Pokémon native to Sinnoh and Hoenn can be found in various methods. [[Mass Outbreak|Swarms]] of Pokémon sometimes break out across the Johto and Kanto regions; oftentimes these are not native to either of the regions. Pokémon from other regions can be located by playing one of two special stations on the [[Pokégear]]'s radio function. There is a channel for Sinnoh Pokémon which plays only on Thursdays; the Hoenn channel only plays on Wednesdays. By having either of these programs turned on when in [[tall grass]] the chance of finding a foreign Pokémon increases. The [[Bug Catching Contest]] also hosts, from time to time, Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokémon. They will only appear on Thursdays and Saturdays. The [[Johto Safari Zone]]'s customization option also allows for the finding of Pokémon from other regions.

In an apparent attempt to remove reliance on [[Generation III]] cartridges, [[starter Pokémon]] of Kanto and Hoenn can be obtained late in the game from [[Professor Oak]] and [[Steven Stone]] respectively. Some [[legendary Pokémon]] which were not included in the [[Generation II]] games, such as Kanto's [[legendary birds]] and {{p|Mewtwo}}, are also available.

Despite being remakes of Pokémon Gold and Silver, most of the wild Pokémon encounter data is identical to Pokémon Crystal, with the exception of version-exclusive Pokémon and a select few routes.

As in all [[version|main series]] Pokémon games, there are a number of Pokémon which can be found in [[Version-exclusive Pokémon|one of the paired games, but not the other]]. A list of these Pokémon follows below.
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{{Moveentrytm|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|347|Anorith|2|Rock|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|348|Armaldo|2|Rock|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|382|Kyogre|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|458|Mantyke|2|Water|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|472|Gliscor|2|Ground|Flying}}
|}
|}
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{| align="center" style="background: #{{soulsilver color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 3px solid #{{soulsilver color light}};"
|-
! SoulSilver
|- align="center"
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{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{soulsilver color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|037|Vulpix|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|053|Persian|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|140|Kabuto|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|141|Kabutops|2|Rock|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|165|Ledyba|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|166|Ledian|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|225|Delibird|2|Ice|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|227|Skarmory|2|Steel|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|216|Teddiursa|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|217|Ursaring|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|303|Mawile|1|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|316|Gulpin|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|317|Swalot|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|345|Lileep|2|Rock|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|346|Cradily|2|Rock|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|383|Groudon|1|Ground}}
|}
|}
|}

==Gallery==
<gallery perrow=4>
File:HGSSstarters.gif|Choosing a [[starter Pokémon]]
File:Startmenu.gif|The redesigned touch screen menu, as well as the three starters shown with the player character
File:Screen3.png|Outside the [[Burned Tower]]
File:HGSS Sprout Tower-Day.png|[[Sprout Tower]]
File:Shiny Pichu HGSS event.png|[[Spiky-eared Pichu]] event
File:Goldandsoul.png|{{ga|Ethan}} and {{ga|Lyra}} in New Bark Town. "Oh, that's right! Why don't you show it to your mom?"
File:Rival Battle Eng HGSS.png|First encounter between Ethan and the rival in the English versions
File:Elmslab.png|Inside Professor Elm's laboratory
File:Red Gyarados encounter HGSS.png|Encountering the [[Red Gyarados]]
File:HeartGold title.png|HeartGold title screen
File:SoulSilver title.png|SoulSilver title screen
File:Heartgold soulsilver preorder figures.jpg|HeartGold and SoulSilver pre-order figures
File:Ho oh in Heartgold.png|{{p|Ho-Oh}} in HeartGold
File:Lugia in SoulSilver.png|{{p|Lugia}} in SoulSilver
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* Several figures were given away with pre-orders. People could receive a {{p|Ho-Oh}} figure by pre-ordering HeartGold, a {{p|Lugia}} figure by pre-ordering SoulSilver, and an {{p|Arceus}} figure by pre-ordering the Japanese versions of both HeartGold and SoulSilver.
* These games mark the tenth anniversary since the release of the original {{2v|Gold|Silver}}.
** The games were also released in Japan almost exactly one year after the Japanese release of {{game|Platinum}}, and exactly eleven years after {{game|Yellow}}, the first game to feature walking Pokémon.
* Unlike how {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} used completely different Trainer sprites from {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, many [[Trainer class]]es shared between regions, like Hikers and Psychics, keep their {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} sprites in battle.
* The font used for the English titles of these games are different than the font that has been used since {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, while the Japanese logos are still in the same style used since those games. FireRed and LeafGreen also used a different font than the Hoenn games, however, it was still the same color.
** Additionally, the Ho-Oh crest shaped like a heart and Lugia soul are used in the English logos, while the fire and leaf that appear on FireRed and LeafGreen's Japanese logos were not used in the English release.
* These games mark the first time that the English versions were announced before the games themselves came out in Japan.
* Because of [[HM05]]'s conversion from {{m|Defog}} to {{m|Whirlpool}}, these games are the only games in which all available HMs teach damaging moves (both Defog and Flash, contained in HM05, prevented this in previous games).
* These are the first games in which major characters offer their Pokémon for a trade with the player, with [[Gym Leader]]s [[Brock]], [[Lt. Surge]], [[Jasmine]], and [[Hoenn]]'s former Champion [[Steven Stone]] offering Pokémon of their specialty type in exchange for another.
** These are the first games in which an in-game trade accepts a Pokémon of any kind, with Jasmine accepting such in exchange for her Steelix.
* Unlike how {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}'s intro was an updated version of the opening from {{2v2|Red|Green}}, HeartGold and SoulSilver have an entirely new intro, using none of the footage from the intro of {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}. The intro however, uses some music that was in the original and the title screen displays 3D renders of Ho-Oh and Lugia in movement similar to the original title screens.
* HeartGold and SoulSilver include the {{pkmn|Champion}}s from each of the paired versions: {{ga|Blue}} from {{2v2|Red|Green}}, [[Lance]] from {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, [[Steven Stone]] from {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}, and [[Cynthia]] from {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}.
* The credits of HeartGold and SoulSilver are the first to feature [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Elite Four]] members and [[villainous teams|villainous team]] members.
* There's a minor quirk involving the Poké Mart signs, in which they are sometimes shown to be placed ''on'' the roots of trees, making it appear as if it was built there.
* Another minor quirk is that the player will sometimes seem to be standing in the same spot as large Pokémon such as {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}}.
* The Pokédex entries for the Pokémon that existed in Gold and Silver are carried on over to HeartGold and SoulSilver, respectively, much as how FireRed used the entries from the Japanese Red and Green while LeafGreen used the entries from Blue.
* These titles are the first Pokémon games to be available domestically in {{pmin|Canada}} in French, other than just in English.
** Similarly, these titles are the second set of Pokémon games (after the original ''[[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]]'') to be released in Latin America in Spanish.
* In the Japanese versions of Gold and Silver, Phanpy and Donphan were exclusive to Gold, and Teddiursa and Ursaring were exclusive to Silver. In international versions of Gold and Silver, this was switched for unknown reasons: Teddiursa and Ursaring could be found in Gold, and Phanpy and Donphan could be found in Silver instead. However, ''all'' versions of HeartGold and SoulSilver have Phanpy/Donphan in HeartGold and Teddiursa/Ursaring in SoulSilver, making this inconsistent with international versions of Gold and Silver.
* HeartGold and SoulSilver, as well as {{2v2|Gold|Silver|s}}, have [[Gym Leader]] or [[Elite Four]] specialists for every type except the [[Ground]] type.

===Errors===
*A typo exists in the script of the English versions. Upon evaluating the [[National Pokédex]] with at least 484 of the 493 Pokémon caught when talking to [[Professor Oak]], he, like in all the other Pokémon games he is in, will congratulate the player. However, in the sentence "Meeting you is something '''l''' will cherish all my life long!" of his speech, the lowercase L should be an I instead.
*Another typo exists in {{p|Froslass}}'s Pokédex entry in SoulSilver, the period at the end is missing. This is not the case in HeartGold.

===In other languages===
{{langtable|color={{HeartGold color}}|bordercolor={{SoulSilver color light}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターハートゴールド・ソウルシルバー
|fr_eu=Pokémon Version Or HeartGold et Version Argent SoulSilver
|de=Pokémon Goldene Edition HeartGold und Silberne Edition SoulSilver
|it=Pokémon Versione Oro HeartGold e Versione Argento SoulSilver
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 하트골드·소울실버|Pocket Monsters HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
|es_eu=Pokémon Edición Oro HeartGold y Edición Plata SoulSilver}}

==See also==
* [[Appendix:HeartGold and SoulSilver walkthrough|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Walkthrough]]

==External links==
{{bulbanews|game}}
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g090508_01.html Official Japanese Announcement]
* [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/HeartGold,_SoulSilver_announced_for_America_and_Europe Official English Announcement]
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/hgss/ Official Japanese Site]
** [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/ Official Japanese Sub-site]
* [http://www.pokemon.com/us/games/videogame-pokemontm-heartgold-and-soulsilver-versions/ Official English Site]

{{main series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:DS games]]
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver|*]]

[[de:Pokémon Goldene Edition HeartGold und Silberne Edition SoulSilver]]
[[es:Pokémon Oro HeartGold y Plata SoulSilver]]
[[fr:Pokémon Or HeartGold et Argent SoulSilver]]
[[it:Pokémon Oro HeartGold e Argento SoulSilver]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスターハートゴールド・ソウルシルバー]]
[[pl:Pokémon HeartGold i SoulSilver]]
[[pt:Pokémon HeartGold & SoulSilver]]

Talk:LuxChomp (TCG)/Featured article candidate

2010-12-15T02:23:02Z

Desukaan563: /* Other comments */

==[[LuxChomp (TCG)]]==__NOTOC__
====Support (3)====

* Nominating as an FAC candidate. Perhaps nominating your own article is frowned upon, but LuxChomp is a huge deal in the TCG right now, and has been arguably the most influential deck in the format for quite awhile. It's well-written, it looks good, and it will bring a lot more visibility to the archetype articles, which some people might not even be aware of. Let me know what the rest of you think. Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 02:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
*Very well written, nice pictures, and I think that it's a nice change to have a card as a featured article. The article is an overall great article to represent Bulbapedia! [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 03:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:We already have a card as a featured article... ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
::See? It's been so long that many people don't remember.... [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 20:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Have you ever gone to [[:Category:Featured articles|the category listing them all?]] It isn't a matter of time: once they are featured, they are classified that way for life. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 21:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
* I agree with Poli and Pokemaster. It is written really well and has enough pictures{{tt|✱|...although Uxie and Garchomp probably should be English versions.}}----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:49, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

====Object (2)====

* Oppose. I feel like a FA should display more community contribution than this one does. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 05:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
* It does not seem to be written any better than some of the others. Not unique enough in my opinion to be considered a FAC. Good article, but among a sea of good articles over the same area, it doesn't stand out from others. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

====Other comments====
* I'd like to point out that I've done a lot of work with the archetypes lately and, as TCG strategy has long been neglected on Bulbapedia, it would be a huge boost for us in the eyes of the TCG-oriented fandom to give it a little more attention. Of course, I do that to the best of my ability, but now that we're getting more articles and they're higher quality, Bulbapedia as a whole ought to be making them a little more prominent. Plenty of TCG fans who visit Bulbapedia for other information may start making it their stop to research archetypes as well, if they see one featured on the front page. --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 12:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

*I dunno much 'bout the TGC, but it looks as good as the Charizard Base Set 4. It does lack a trivia section though... ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 02:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Bulbapedia:Christmas Improvement Drive/contestants

2010-12-15T02:18:00Z

Desukaan563: /* List of contestants */

[[File:Bulbapedia Christmas Contest 2010.png|center|link=Bulbapedia:Christmas Improvement Drive]]

If you are an entrant in the '''{{bp|Christmas Improvement Drive|Bulbapedia Christmas Improvement Drive}}''', then leave your name and a page diff below, '''<big>ONLY if have you completed your entry. This is <big>not</big> a sign up page.</big>''' '''''<big><big><big>Only finished entries are to be submitted.</big></big></big>''''' Please use the formatting provided. An example is below.

<pre><nowiki>
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** [FULLURL PAGETITLE]
</nowiki></pre>

==List of contestants==

* [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokemon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 20:16, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash%27s_Torkoal&diff=prev&oldid=1276792 Ash's Torkoal]
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Island_Beach&diff=cur&oldid=1250141 Pokémon Island Beach] 00:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Island_Tunnel&diff=next&oldid=1219773 Pokémon Island Tunnel] 17:35 8 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Island_Volcano&diff=next&oldid=1219774 Pokémon Island Volcano] 17:58 8 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Island_River&diff=next&oldid=1219775 Pokémon Island River] 18:23 8 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Island_Cave&diff=next&oldid=1219776 Pokémon Island Cave] 19:26 8 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Island_Valley&diff=next&oldid=1219777 Pokémon Island Valley] 19:52 8 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Rainbow_Cloud&diff=next&oldid=1219778 Rainbow Cloud] 20:00 8 December 2010 (UTC)

* '''chief[[User:Chiefboz|boz]]''' ''(my [[User talk:Chiefboz|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Chiefboz|contributions]] and [[User:Chiefboz/CIDEntries|CID entries]])'' 22:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dungeon&action=historysubmit&diff=1277059&oldid=1224229 Dungeon] Submitted 22:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_Royale&oldid=1278303 Battle Royale] Submitted 04:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ranger_Depot&oldid=1278144 Ranger Depot] Submitted 02:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Marowak_Dojo&oldid=1280348 Marowak Dojo] Submitted 02:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

* [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Hoenn_Route_120&action=historysubmit&diff=1277086&oldid=1185458 Hoenn Route 120]
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Anthony_%28Hoenn%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1279551&oldid=1278734 Anthony (Hoenn)]
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Intimidation_%28TCG%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1280149&oldid=1227642 Intimidation (TCG)]
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Koga%27s_Golbat&action=historysubmit&diff=1283459&oldid=1072975 Koga's Golbat]

* --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 00:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Colosseum_(Pok%C3%A9topia)&action=historysubmit&diff=1277203&oldid=1132563 Colosseum (Pokétopia)]

* [[User:Cadmium|Cadmium]] 03:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Staff_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_XD&action=historysubmit&diff=1276979&oldid=1276921 Staff of Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness creation]

*[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 08:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Deep_Colosseum&curid=7955&diff=1277544&oldid=1169642 Deep Colosseum]
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pyrite_Colosseum&action=historysubmit&diff=1278196&oldid=1258799 Pyrite Colosseum]
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Phenac_Stadium&curid=8409&diff=1278245&oldid=1174191 Phenac Colosseum]
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Under_Colosseum&curid=8412&diff=1279300&oldid=1179897 Under Colosseum]

* --'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 09:03, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Anime_move_errors&action=historysubmit&diff=1277553&oldid=1258918 Anime move errors]
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Full_battle&action=historysubmit&diff=1282428&oldid=1274907 Full battle]

*[[User:Cmd|Cmd]]
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_%26_Get!_Pok%C3%A9mon_Typing_DS&action=historysubmit&diff=1276650&oldid=1247016 Battle And Get Pokémon Typing DS]

*[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] - 05:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_%26_Sapphire_Music_Super_Complete&diff=1278338&oldid=1278298 Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire Music Super Complete] - 05:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Ranger:_Guardian_Signs&diff=1278709&oldid=1278697 Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs] - 12:19, 7 December 2010
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Together&action=historysubmit&diff=1282179&oldid=1271118 Together] - 10:45, 11 December 2010

*[[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 15:05, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Move_variations&action=historysubmit&diff=1279017&oldid=1271505 Move variations]
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_height&action=historysubmit&diff=1281781&oldid=1276579 List of Pokémon by height]
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Poison_%28status_ailment%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1282333&oldid=1281808 Poison (status ailment)]

* [[User:TokoyamiTheDark|TokoyamiTheDark]] 16:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kecleon_Shop&oldid=1280784 Kecleon Shop]

* [[User:Pokeams|Pokeams]] 21:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=AG127&action=historysubmit&diff=1280921&oldid=1214524 AG127]
* --'''[[User:Flyingtypefan|~~☆Flyingtypefan☆~~]]''' '''''•[[User talk:Flyingtypefan|Talk]]•''''' '''''[[Delibird (Pokemon)|Holiday cheer]]•''''' 22:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_%28TCG%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1280446&oldid=1278264 Pokémon (TCG)]

* [[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Desert&action=historysubmit&diff=1281062&oldid=1280939 Desert]

*----[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|EBL]] ''([[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas|talk to me!]])'' 01:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=DPA04&action=historysubmit&diff=1281091&oldid=993276 DPA04]

* [[User:Absol21990|Absol21990]] 22:42, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_weight&action=historysubmit&diff=1283365&oldid=1275386 Updated, Corrected, and Organized Weights]
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_weight_in_kilograms&action=historysubmit&diff=1283405&oldid=1276691 List of Weights in Kg]

* [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 06:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Event_item&action=historysubmit&diff=1281287&oldid=1259312 Event item] 17:19, December 10, 2010

* ---> '''[[User:AquaDragon|{{color|6890F0|Aqua}}]][[User_talk:AquaDragon|{{color|7038F8|Dragon}}]]''' 11:18, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Rematch&action=historysubmit&diff=1281231&oldid=1267176 Rematch]

* [[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 16:04, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Burn&diff=prev&oldid=1281489 Burn]

* [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 16:27, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dawn_%28anime%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1282273&oldid=1280698 Dawn (anime)]

*'''[[User:Goldex555|Gold]][[User:Goldex555|ex]][[User:Goldex555|555]]''' 14:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
**[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pikachu's_Island_Adventure PK18]
[[Category:Bulbapedia]]

*'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 17:27, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_League_%28TCG%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1282398&oldid=1276268 Pokémon League (TCG)]

*[[User:A Tell-Tale Heart|A Tell-Tale Heart]] 19:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_item&action=historysubmit&diff=1282407&oldid=1233059 Battle item]
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_items_by_index_number_(DS)&action=historysubmit&diff=1282517&oldid=1278207 List of items by index number (DS)]
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Valuable_item&action=historysubmit&diff=1283996&oldid=1268766 Valuable item]

* [[User:Twisted Ivy|Twisted Ivy]] 06:45,12 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_language&action=historysubmit&diff=1282917&oldid=1272906 Pokémon language] 

* --[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 02:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
** [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=M13&action=historysubmit&diff=1284665&oldid=1284653 Movie 13]

M13

2010-12-15T02:17:06Z

Desukaan563:

{{undubbed|M13|yes}}
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|entitle=Zoroark: Master of Illusions
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'''Zoroark: Master of Illusions''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|幻影|げんえい}}の{{tt|覇者|はしゃ}} ゾロアーク''' ''Ruler of Illusions: Zoroark'') is the fourth and final {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} movie and the thirteenth [[Pokémon movie]] overall. It premiered in Japanese theaters July 10, 2010.

==Other posters and logos==
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Movie13 Pikachu the movie.png|''Pikachu the Movie'' poster
File:PhantomRulerZ.png|''Ruler of Illusions: Z'' teaser poster
File:Movie_13_Chinese_poster.jpg‎|Chinese poster
File:PhantomRulerZ logo.png|''Ruler of Illusions: Z'' teaser logo
File:Japanese Movie 13 Logo.png|''Ruler of Illusion: Zoroark'' logo
</gallery>

==Plot==
{{incomplete synopsis}}
[[Crown City]], a town where water and greenery, old streets and modern buildings, coexist in beautiful harmony. Intending to watch the "[[Pokémon Backer World Cup]]" being held there, {{Ash}}, {{AP|Pikachu}}, and {{ashfr|company}} head for Crown City. On the way, they meet and join up with {{OBP|Zorua|movie 13}}, a Pokémon said to be searching for its companion.

Meanwhile, a Pokémon called {{OBP|Zoroark|movie 13}} is destroying Crown City in the guise of {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}}, and {{p|Entei}}, due to Kōdai blackmailing it threatening her captured child, Zorua, who actually had escaped. {{p|Celebi}}, returning to the town for the first time in twenty years, is presented with its own crisis, due to that prior to the movie, businessman Grings Kōdai discovered Celebi in Crown City, and touched the "ripple of time" that was produced due to Celebi's time traveling. As a result of this, Kōdai gained the ability to have powerful hallucinations that show him the future, while destroying all of the greenery within the city.

Soon, Celebi found itself and Zorua chased by Kōdai's minions. This pursuit forced them into the Pokémon Backer Stadium, where they were cornered by Kōdai, who disables Celebi and captures Zorua in order to blackmail Zoroark once more. Kōdai then finds what he believes to be the ripple of time, and begins to absorb its power. The "ripple of time" ends up actually being an illusion created by Zoroark, who attacks but is promptly defeated by the angry Kōdai. However, Celebi uses the power of the true ripple of time to heal Zoroark, who recovers and defeats Kōdai with the help of the guardians of Crown City.

During the credits of the movie, the news report published by Kurt and Rioka reveals that Kōdai and Goon were both arrested and sent to jail.

==Featured Pokémon==
* {{p|Suicune}}
* {{p|Raikou}}
* {{p|Entei}}
* {{p|Celebi}}
* {{p|Zorua}}
* {{p|Zoroark}}

==Pokémon==
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Piplup}} ({{OP|Dawn|Piplup}})
* {{p|Croagunk}} ({{OP|Brock|Croagunk}})
* {{p|Suicune}} ([[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|shiny]])
* {{p|Raikou}} ([[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|shiny]])
* {{p|Entei}} ([[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|shiny]])
* {{p|Celebi}} ([[Celebi (movie 13)|wild]])
* {{p|Tangrowth}} ({{mov|Tomo}}'s)
* {{p|Mightyena}} ({{mov|Joe}}'s)
* {{p|Zorua}} ([[Zorua (movie 13)|wild]])
* {{p|Zoroark}} ([[Zoroark (movie 13)|wild]])
* {{p|Bronzor}} ({{mo|Kurt}}'s)
* {{p|Misdreavus}} ([[Grings Kōdai]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Mismagius}} ([[Grings Kōdai]]'s)
* {{p|Shuppet}} ([[Grings Kōdai]]'s)
* {{p|Scizor}} ([[Goon]]'s; two)
* {{p|Ninjask}} (multiple)
* {{p|Donphan}} ({{jo|Jimmy}}'s)
* {{p|Abomasnow}}
* {{p|Beldum}}
* {{p|Breloom}}
* {{p|Cranidos}}
* {{p|Doduo}}
* {{p|Electabuzz}}
* {{p|Electivire}}
* {{p|Elekid}}
* {{p|Furret}}
* {{p|Gabite}}
* {{p|Garchomp}}
* {{p|Grotle}}
* {{p|Kricketune}}
* {{p|Mamoswine}}
* {{p|Metagross}}
* {{p|Metang}}
* {{p|Nidoking}}
* {{p|Nidorina}}
* {{p|Nidorino}}
* {{p|Piloswine}}
* {{p|Rampardos}}
* {{p|Raticate}}
* {{p|Rattata}}
* {{p|Rhyhorn}}
* {{p|Rhyperior}}
* {{p|Sentret}}
* {{p|Skuntank}}
* {{p|Snover}}
* {{p|Stantler}}
* {{p|Staravia}}
* {{p|Stunky}}
* {{p|Swinub}}
* {{p|Teddiursa}}
* {{p|Torterra}}
* {{p|Ursaring}}
* {{p|Vigoroth}}
* {{p|Zigzagoon}}

==Cast==
{| class="credits-table" {{graytable|width: 100%;}}
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="4" |
| style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 出演
|-
! width="12%" | [[Ash Ketchum]]
| width="22%" | 
! width="12%" | Satoshi
| width="21%" | [[Rica Matsumoto]]
! width="12%" lang="ja" | サトシ
| width="21%" lang="ja" | 松本梨香
|-
! {{AP|Pikachu}}
| [[Ikue Ohtani]]
! Pikachu
| Ikue Ohtani
! lang="ja" | ピカチュウ
| lang="ja" | 大谷育江
|-
! {{an|Brock}}
| 
! Takeshi
| [[Yūji Ueda]]
! lang="ja" | タケシ
| lang="ja" | うえだ　ゆうじ
|-
! {{an|Dawn}}
| 
! Hikari
| [[Megumi Toyoguchi]]
! lang="ja" | ヒカリ
| lang="ja" | 豊口めぐみ
|-
! {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}}
| 
! Pochama
| [[Etsuko Kozakura]]
! lang="ja" | ポッチャマ
| lang="ja" | 小桜エツ子
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Jessie]]
| 
! Musashi
| [[Megumi Hayashibara]]
! lang="ja" | ムサシ
| lang="ja" | 林原めぐみ
|-
! [[James]]
| 
! Kojirō
| [[Shin'ichirō Miki]]
! lang="ja" | コジロウ
| lang="ja" | 三木眞一郎
|-
! {{MTR}}
| 
! Nyarth
| [[Inuko Inuyama]]
! lang="ja" | ニャース
| lang="ja" | 犬山イヌコ
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Narrator|Narration]]
| 
! Narration
| [[Unshō Ishizuka]]
! lang="ja" | ナレーション
| lang="ja" | 石塚運昇
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" |
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" | Special appearances by
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 特別出演
|-

|-
!
|
! {{mo|Kurt}}
| Takashi Tsukamoto
! lang="ja" | クルト
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Rioka]]
| Natsuki Katō
! lang="ja" | リオカ
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Grings Kōdai]]
| Takanori Jin'nai
! lang="ja" | グリングス・コーダイ
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Proof]]
| [[Shōko Nakagawa]]
! lang="ja" | プルーフ
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Goon]]
| [[Koichi Yamadera]]
! lang="ja" | グーン
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! {{mo|Joe}}
| Yuzuru Fujimoto
! lang="ja" |
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! {{mo|Tomo}}
| Ai Sato
! lang="ja" |
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! Stadium Announcer
| Kazuya Masuda
! lang="ja" |
| lang="ja" |
|-
! {{OBP|Zoroark|movie 13}}

|
! Zoroark
| [[Romi Paku]]
! lang="ja" | ゾロアーク
| lang="ja" |
|-
! {{OBP|Zorua|movie 13}}
|
! Zorua
| Kurumi Mamiya
! lang="ja" | ゾロア
| lang="ja" |
|-
! [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Raikou]]
|
! Raikou
| [[Katsuyuki Konishi]]
! lang="ja" | ライコウ
| lang="ja" |
|-
! [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Entei]]
|
! Entei
| [[Kenta Miyake]]
! lang="ja" | エンテイ
| lang="ja" |
|-
! [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Suicune]]
|
! Suikun
| [[Kiyotaka Furushima]]
! lang="ja" | スイクン
| lang="ja" |
|-
! {{OBP|Celebi|movie 13}}
|
! Celebi
| Rie Kugimiya
! lang="ja" | セレビィ
| lang="ja" |
|-
|}

==Events==
In Japan, people who pre-ordered tickets to the movie received a {{Shiny}} [[legendary beasts|legendary beast]]; [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Crown Entei|Entei]], [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Crown Raikou|Raikou]] or [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Crown Suicune|Suicune]]. The Shiny legendary beasts can activate a {{p|Zoroark}} event if traded into a [[Generation V]] game. A [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Movie Celebi|Celebi]] could also be downloaded in the cinema, but this did not required pre-ordered tickets. Also, [[Goon]]'s [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Goon Scizor|Scizor]] could be downloaded over Wi-Fi after the movie's airing.

==Soundtrack==
{{main|Ruler of Illusions: Zoroark Music Collection}}

==Trivia==
* This is the only {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} movie that is a stand-alone movie. [[M10|The]] [[M11|other]] [[M12|three]] Diamond & Pearl movies are part of a trilogy.
* The movie's fictitious setting is based on various locations in {{wp|the Netherlands}} and {{wp|Belgium}}, such as {{wp|Magere Brug}}, {{wp|Amstel River}}, {{wp|Kinderdijk}} and {{wp|Brussels}}.
* This movie marks the first time all three of the [[legendary beasts]] appear at the same time in the anime, and the first time {{p|Raikou}} gets a starring role in a movie.
** This movie also marks the first time a [[shiny Pokémon|shiny]] [[Legendary Pokémon|legendary]] (in this case [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Entei, Raikou and Suicune]]) appears in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
* This is the third Pokémon movie so far that does not have a legendary Pokémon as the main featured Pokémon, the first being ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown]]'' and the second being ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''.
* The teaser trailer shown at the end of ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', showed {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}} locked in an aerial battle, and Zoroark transforming into a darker version of Ash. Neither of these elements made it into the final film.
* Even though the movie airs between ''[[DP183|League Unleashed!]]'' and ''[[DP184|Casting a Paul on Barry!]]'', it does not actually take place in that time period, which is during the [[Lily of the Valley Conference]].
* This movie was released in Taiwan on July 30, 2010, which was just 20 days after its Japanese premiere.
* [[Professor Rowan]], [[Johanna]], [[Paul]], {{an|Barry}}, [[Ursula]], [[Nando]], [[Zoey]], [[Cynthia]] and {{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}} make cameo appearances in the movie's credits, along with all of [[Sinnoh]]'s [[Gym Leaders]] and [[Elite Four]].
* {{jo|Jimmy}} makes a cameo in the beginning of the film with a {{p|Donphan}}, seen in [[Pokémon battle|battle]] with Ash.
* The [[Officer Jenny]] seen in this movie has a star symbol on her hat, which was the same symbol worn by the Jenny in [[Viridian City]] (who was also the first Officer Jenny to [[EP002|appear]] in the anime).
* This is the only appearance of [[Generation V]] Pokémon prior to the {{series|Best Wishes}}.

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==External links==
*[http://www.pokemon-movie.jp Japanese movie website]
*[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/anime/movie Pokemon.co.jp movie website]
*[http://www.my-cartoon.com.tw/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=385 Chinese movie website]

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|poster=Ruler of Illusions Zoroark.png
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|usprem=2011
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'''Zoroark: Master of Illusions''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|幻影|げんえい}}の{{tt|覇者|はしゃ}} ゾロアーク''' ''Ruler of Illusions: Zoroark'') is the fourth and final {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} movie and the thirteenth [[Pokémon movie]] overall. It premiered in Japanese theaters July 10, 2010.

==Other posters and logos==
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Movie13 Pikachu the movie.png|''Pikachu the Movie'' poster
File:PhantomRulerZ.png|''Ruler of Illusions: Z'' teaser poster
File:Movie_13_Chinese_poster.jpg‎|Chinese poster
File:PhantomRulerZ logo.png|''Ruler of Illusions: Z'' teaser logo
File:Japanese Movie 13 Logo.png|''Ruler of Illusion: Zoroark'' logo
</gallery>

==Plot==
{{incomplete synopsis}}
[[Crown City]], a town where water and greenery, old streets and modern buildings, coexist in beautiful harmony. Intending to watch the "[[Pokémon Backer World Cup]]" being held there, {{Ash}}, {{AP|Pikachu}}, and {{ashfr|company}} head for Crown City. On the way, they meet and join up with {{OBP|Zorua|movie 13}}, a Pokémon said to be searching for its companion.

Meanwhile, a Pokémon called {{OBP|Zoroark|movie 13}} is destroying Crown City in the guise of {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}}, and {{p|Entei}}, due to Kōdai blackmailing it threatening her captured child, Zorua, who actually had escaped. {{p|Celebi}}, returning to the town for the first time in twenty years, is presented with its own crisis, due to that prior to the movie, businessman Grings Kōdai discovered Celebi in Crown City, and touched the "ripple of time" that was produced due to Celebi's time traveling. As a result of this, Kōdai gained the ability to have powerful hallucinations that show him the future, while destroying all of the greenery within the city.

Soon, Celebi found itself and Zorua chased by Kōdai's minions. This pursuit forced them into the Pokémon Backer Stadium, where they were cornered by Kōdai, who disables Celebi and captures Zorua in order to blackmail Zoroark once more. Kōdai then finds what he believes to be the ripple of time, and begins to absorb its power. The "ripple of time" ends up actually being an illusion created by Zoroark, who attacks but is promptly defeated by the angry Kōdai. However, Celebi uses the power of the true ripple of time to heal Zoroark, who recovers and defeats Kōdai with the help of the guardians of Crown City.

During the credits of the movie, the news report published by Kurt and Rioka reveals that Kōdai and Goon were both arrested and sent to jail.

==Featured Pokémon==
* {{p|Suicune}}
* {{p|Raikou}}
* {{p|Entei}}
* {{p|Celebi}}
* {{p|Zorua}}
* {{p|Zoroark}}

==Pokémon==
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Piplup}} ({{OP|Dawn|Piplup}})
* {{p|Croagunk}} ({{OP|Brock|Croagunk}})
* {{p|Suicune}} ([[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|shiny]])
* {{p|Raikou}} ([[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|shiny]])
* {{p|Entei}} ([[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|shiny]])
* {{p|Celebi}} ([[Celebi (movie 13)|wild]])
* {{p|Tangrowth}} ({{mov|Tomo}}'s)
* {{p|Mightyena}} ({{mov|Joe}}'s)
* {{p|Zorua}} ([[Zorua (movie 13)|wild]])
* {{p|Zoroark}} ([[Zoroark (movie 13)|wild]])
* {{p|Bronzor}} ({{mo|Kurt}}'s)
* {{p|Misdreavus}} ([[Grings Kōdai]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Mismagius}} ([[Grings Kōdai]]'s)
* {{p|Shuppet}} ([[Grings Kōdai]]'s)
* {{p|Scizor}} ([[Goon]]'s; two)
* {{p|Ninjask}} (multiple)
* {{p|Donphan}} ({{jo|Jimmy}}'s)
* {{p|Abomasnow}}
* {{p|Beldum}}
* {{p|Breloom}}
* {{p|Cranidos}}
* {{p|Doduo}}
* {{p|Electabuzz}}
* {{p|Electivire}}
* {{p|Elekid}}
* {{p|Furret}}
* {{p|Gabite}}
* {{p|Garchomp}}
* {{p|Grotle}}
* {{p|Kricketune}}
* {{p|Mamoswine}}
* {{p|Metagross}}
* {{p|Metang}}
* {{p|Nidoking}}
* {{p|Nidorina}}
* {{p|Nidorino}}
* {{p|Piloswine}}
* {{p|Rampardos}}
* {{p|Raticate}}
* {{p|Rattata}}
* {{p|Rhyhorn}}
* {{p|Rhyperior}}
* {{p|Sentret}}
* {{p|Skuntank}}
* {{p|Snover}}
* {{p|Stantler}}
* {{p|Staravia}}
* {{p|Stunky}}
* {{p|Swinub}}
* {{p|Teddiursa}}
* {{p|Torterra}}
* {{p|Ursaring}}
* {{p|Vigoroth}}
* {{p|Zigzagoon}}

==Cast==
{| class="credits-table" {{graytable|width: 100%;}}
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="4" |
| style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 出演
|-
! width="12%" | [[Ash Ketchum]]
| width="22%" | 
! width="12%" | Satoshi
| width="21%" | [[Rica Matsumoto]]
! width="12%" lang="ja" | サトシ
| width="21%" lang="ja" | 松本梨香
|-
! {{AP|Pikachu}}
| [[Ikue Ohtani]]
! Pikachu
| Ikue Ohtani
! lang="ja" | ピカチュウ
| lang="ja" | 大谷育江
|-
! {{an|Brock}}
| 
! Takeshi
| [[Yūji Ueda]]
! lang="ja" | タケシ
| lang="ja" | うえだ　ゆうじ
|-
! {{an|Dawn}}
| 
! Hikari
| [[Megumi Toyoguchi]]
! lang="ja" | ヒカリ
| lang="ja" | 豊口めぐみ
|-
! {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}}
| 
! Pochama
| [[Etsuko Kozakura]]
! lang="ja" | ポッチャマ
| lang="ja" | 小桜エツ子
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Jessie]]
| 
! Musashi
| [[Megumi Hayashibara]]
! lang="ja" | ムサシ
| lang="ja" | 林原めぐみ
|-
! [[James]]
| 
! Kojirō
| [[Shin'ichirō Miki]]
! lang="ja" | コジロウ
| lang="ja" | 三木眞一郎
|-
! {{MTR}}
| 
! Nyarth
| [[Inuko Inuyama]]
! lang="ja" | ニャース
| lang="ja" | 犬山イヌコ
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Narrator|Narration]]
| 
! Narration
| [[Unshō Ishizuka]]
! lang="ja" | ナレーション
| lang="ja" | 石塚運昇
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" |
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" | Special appearances by
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 特別出演
|-

|-
!
|
! {{mo|Kurt}}
| Takashi Tsukamoto
! lang="ja" | クルト
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Rioka]]
| Natsuki Katō
! lang="ja" | リオカ
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Grings Kōdai]]
| Takanori Jin'nai
! lang="ja" | グリングス・コーダイ
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Proof]]
| [[Shōko Nakagawa]]
! lang="ja" | プルーフ
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Goon]]
| [[Koichi Yamadera]]
! lang="ja" | グーン
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! {{mo|Joe}}
| Yuzuru Fujimoto
! lang="ja" |
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! {{mo|Tomo}}
| Ai Sato
! lang="ja" |
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! Stadium Announcer
| Kazuya Masuda
! lang="ja" |
| lang="ja" |
|-
! {{OBP|Zoroark|movie 13}}

|
! Zoroark
| [[Romi Paku]]
! lang="ja" | ゾロアーク
| lang="ja" |
|-
! {{OBP|Zorua|movie 13}}
|
! Zorua
| Kurumi Mamiya
! lang="ja" | ゾロア
| lang="ja" |
|-
! [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Raikou]]
|
! Raikou
| [[Katsuyuki Konishi]]
! lang="ja" | ライコウ
| lang="ja" |
|-
! [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Entei]]
|
! Entei
| [[Kenta Miyake]]
! lang="ja" | エンテイ
| lang="ja" |
|-
! [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Suicune]]
|
! Suikun
| [[Kiyotaka Furushima]]
! lang="ja" | スイクン
| lang="ja" |
|-
! {{OBP|Celebi|movie 13}}
|
! Celebi
| Rie Kugimiya
! lang="ja" | セレビィ
| lang="ja" |
|-
|}

==Events==
In Japan, people who pre-ordered tickets to the movie received a {{Shiny}} [[legendary beasts|legendary beast]]; [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Crown Entei|Entei]], [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Crown Raikou|Raikou]] or [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Crown Suicune|Suicune]]. The Shiny legendary beasts can activate a {{p|Zoroark}} event if traded into a [[Generation V]] game. A [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Movie Celebi|Celebi]] could also be downloaded in the cinema, but this did not required pre-ordered tickets. Also, [[Goon]]'s [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Goon Scizor|Scizor]] could be downloaded over Wi-Fi after the movie's airing.

==Soundtrack==
{{main|Ruler of Illusions: Zoroark Music Collection}}

==Trivia==
* This is the only {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} movie that is a stand-alone movie. [[M10|The]] [[M11|other]] [[M12|three]] Diamond & Pearl movies are part of a trilogy.
* The movie's fictitious setting is based on various locations in {{wp|the Netherlands}} and {{wp|Belgium}}, such as {{wp|Magere Brug}}, {{wp|Amstel River}}, {{wp|Kinderdijk}} and {{wp|Brussels}}.
* This movie marks the first time all three of the [[legendary beasts]] appear at the same time in the anime, and the first time {{p|Raikou}} gets a starring role in a movie.
** This movie also marks the first time a [[shiny Pokémon|shiny]] [[Legendary Pokémon|legendary]] (in this case [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Entei, Raikou and Suicune]]) appears in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
* This is the third Pokémon movie so far that does not have a legendary Pokémon as the main featured Pokémon, the first being ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown]]'' and the second being ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''.
* The teaser trailer shown at the end of ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', showed {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}} locked in an aerial battle, and Zoroark transforming into a darker version of Ash. Neither of these elements made it into the final film.
* Even though the movie airs between ''[[DP183|League Unleashed!]]'' and ''[[DP184|Casting a Paul on Barry!]]'', it does not actually take place in that time period, which is during the [[Lily of the Valley Conference]].
* This movie was released in Taiwan on July 30, 2010, which was just 20 days after its Japanese premiere.
* [[Professor Rowan]], [[Johanna]], [[Paul]], {{an|Barry}}, [[Ursula]], [[Nando]], [[Zoey]], [[Cynthia]] and {{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}} make cameo appearances in the movie's credits, along with all of [[Sinnoh]]'s [[Gym Leaders]] and [[Elite Four]].
* {{jo|Jimmy}} makes a cameo in the beginning of the film with a {{p|Donphan}}, seen in [[Pokémon battle|battle]] with Ash.
* The [[Officer Jenny]] seen in this movie has a star symbol on her hat, which was the same symbol worn by the Jenny in [[Viridian City]] (who was also the first Officer Jenny to [[EP002|appear]] in the anime).
* This is the only appearance of [[Generation V]] Pokémon prior to the {{series|Best Wishes}}.

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==External links==
*[http://www.pokemon-movie.jp Japanese movie website]
*[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/anime/movie Pokemon.co.jp movie website]
*[http://www.my-cartoon.com.tw/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=385 Chinese movie website]

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'''Zoroark: Master of Illusions''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|幻影|げんえい}}の{{tt|覇者|はしゃ}} ゾロアーク''' ''Ruler of Illusions: Zoroark'') is the fourth and final {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} movie and the thirteenth [[Pokémon movie]] overall. It premiered in Japanese theaters July 10, 2010.

==Other posters and logos==
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Movie13 Pikachu the movie.png|''Pikachu the Movie'' poster
File:PhantomRulerZ.png|''Ruler of Illusions: Z'' teaser poster
File:Movie_13_Chinese_poster.jpg‎|Chinese poster
File:PhantomRulerZ logo.png|''Ruler of Illusions: Z'' teaser logo
File:Japanese Movie 13 Logo.png|''Ruler of Illusion: Zoroark'' logo
</gallery>

==Plot==
{{incomplete synopsis}}
[[Crown City]], a town where water and greenery, old streets and modern buildings, coexist in beautiful harmony. Intending to watch the "[[Pokémon Backer World Cup]]" being held there, {{Ash}}, {{AP|Pikachu}}, and {{ashfr|company}} head for Crown City. On the way, they meet and join up with {{OBP|Zorua|movie 13}}, a Pokémon said to be searching for its companion.

Meanwhile, a Pokémon called {{OBP|Zoroark|movie 13}} is destroying Crown City in the guise of {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}}, and {{p|Entei}}. {{p|Celebi}}, returning to the town for the first time in twenty years, is presented with its own crisis...

==Featured Pokémon==
* {{p|Suicune}}
* {{p|Raikou}}
* {{p|Entei}}
* {{p|Celebi}}
* {{p|Zorua}}
* {{p|Zoroark}}

==Pokémon==
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Piplup}} ({{OP|Dawn|Piplup}})
* {{p|Croagunk}} ({{OP|Brock|Croagunk}})
* {{p|Suicune}} ([[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|shiny]])
* {{p|Raikou}} ([[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|shiny]])
* {{p|Entei}} ([[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|shiny]])
* {{p|Celebi}} ([[Celebi (movie 13)|wild]])
* {{p|Tangrowth}} ({{mov|Tomo}}'s)
* {{p|Mightyena}} ({{mov|Joe}}'s)
* {{p|Zorua}} ([[Zorua (movie 13)|wild]])
* {{p|Zoroark}} ([[Zoroark (movie 13)|wild]])
* {{p|Bronzor}} ({{mo|Kurt}}'s)
* {{p|Misdreavus}} ([[Grings Kōdai]]'s; flashback)
* {{p|Mismagius}} ([[Grings Kōdai]]'s)
* {{p|Shuppet}} ([[Grings Kōdai]]'s)
* {{p|Scizor}} ([[Goon]]'s; two)
* {{p|Ninjask}} (multiple)
* {{p|Donphan}} ({{jo|Jimmy}}'s)
* {{p|Abomasnow}}
* {{p|Beldum}}
* {{p|Breloom}}
* {{p|Cranidos}}
* {{p|Doduo}}
* {{p|Electabuzz}}
* {{p|Electivire}}
* {{p|Elekid}}
* {{p|Furret}}
* {{p|Gabite}}
* {{p|Garchomp}}
* {{p|Grotle}}
* {{p|Kricketune}}
* {{p|Mamoswine}}
* {{p|Metagross}}
* {{p|Metang}}
* {{p|Nidoking}}
* {{p|Nidorina}}
* {{p|Nidorino}}
* {{p|Piloswine}}
* {{p|Rampardos}}
* {{p|Raticate}}
* {{p|Rattata}}
* {{p|Rhyhorn}}
* {{p|Rhyperior}}
* {{p|Sentret}}
* {{p|Skuntank}}
* {{p|Snover}}
* {{p|Stantler}}
* {{p|Staravia}}
* {{p|Stunky}}
* {{p|Swinub}}
* {{p|Teddiursa}}
* {{p|Torterra}}
* {{p|Ursaring}}
* {{p|Vigoroth}}
* {{p|Zigzagoon}}

==Cast==
{| class="credits-table" {{graytable|width: 100%;}}
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="4" |
| style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 出演
|-
! width="12%" | [[Ash Ketchum]]
| width="22%" | 
! width="12%" | Satoshi
| width="21%" | [[Rica Matsumoto]]
! width="12%" lang="ja" | サトシ
| width="21%" lang="ja" | 松本梨香
|-
! {{AP|Pikachu}}
| [[Ikue Ohtani]]
! Pikachu
| Ikue Ohtani
! lang="ja" | ピカチュウ
| lang="ja" | 大谷育江
|-
! {{an|Brock}}
| 
! Takeshi
| [[Yūji Ueda]]
! lang="ja" | タケシ
| lang="ja" | うえだ　ゆうじ
|-
! {{an|Dawn}}
| 
! Hikari
| [[Megumi Toyoguchi]]
! lang="ja" | ヒカリ
| lang="ja" | 豊口めぐみ
|-
! {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}}
| 
! Pochama
| [[Etsuko Kozakura]]
! lang="ja" | ポッチャマ
| lang="ja" | 小桜エツ子
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Jessie]]
| 
! Musashi
| [[Megumi Hayashibara]]
! lang="ja" | ムサシ
| lang="ja" | 林原めぐみ
|-
! [[James]]
| 
! Kojirō
| [[Shin'ichirō Miki]]
! lang="ja" | コジロウ
| lang="ja" | 三木眞一郎
|-
! {{MTR}}
| 
! Nyarth
| [[Inuko Inuyama]]
! lang="ja" | ニャース
| lang="ja" | 犬山イヌコ
|-
| colspan="6" |
|-
! [[Narrator|Narration]]
| 
! Narration
| [[Unshō Ishizuka]]
! lang="ja" | ナレーション
| lang="ja" | 石塚運昇
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" |
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" | Special appearances by
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 特別出演
|-

|-
!
|
! {{mo|Kurt}}
| Takashi Tsukamoto
! lang="ja" | クルト
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Rioka]]
| Natsuki Katō
! lang="ja" | リオカ
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Grings Kōdai]]
| Takanori Jin'nai
! lang="ja" | グリングス・コーダイ
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Proof]]
| [[Shōko Nakagawa]]
! lang="ja" | プルーフ
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! [[Goon]]
| [[Koichi Yamadera]]
! lang="ja" | グーン
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! {{mo|Joe}}
| Yuzuru Fujimoto
! lang="ja" |
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! {{mo|Tomo}}
| Ai Sato
! lang="ja" |
| lang="ja" |
|-
!
|
! Stadium Announcer
| Kazuya Masuda
! lang="ja" |
| lang="ja" |
|-
! {{OBP|Zoroark|movie 13}}

|
! Zoroark
| [[Romi Paku]]
! lang="ja" | ゾロアーク
| lang="ja" |
|-
! {{OBP|Zorua|movie 13}}
|
! Zorua
| Kurumi Mamiya
! lang="ja" | ゾロア
| lang="ja" |
|-
! [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Raikou]]
|
! Raikou
| [[Katsuyuki Konishi]]
! lang="ja" | ライコウ
| lang="ja" |
|-
! [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Entei]]
|
! Entei
| [[Kenta Miyake]]
! lang="ja" | エンテイ
| lang="ja" |
|-
! [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Suicune]]
|
! Suikun
| [[Kiyotaka Furushima]]
! lang="ja" | スイクン
| lang="ja" |
|-
! {{OBP|Celebi|movie 13}}
|
! Celebi
| Rie Kugimiya
! lang="ja" | セレビィ
| lang="ja" |
|-
|}

==Events==
In Japan, people who pre-ordered tickets to the movie received a {{Shiny}} [[legendary beasts|legendary beast]]; [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Crown Entei|Entei]], [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Crown Raikou|Raikou]] or [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Crown Suicune|Suicune]]. The Shiny legendary beasts can activate a {{p|Zoroark}} event if traded into a [[Generation V]] game. A [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Movie Celebi|Celebi]] could also be downloaded in the cinema, but this did not required pre-ordered tickets. Also, [[Goon]]'s [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2010#Goon Scizor|Scizor]] could be downloaded over Wi-Fi after the movie's airing.

==Soundtrack==
{{main|Ruler of Illusions: Zoroark Music Collection}}

==Trivia==
* This is the only {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} movie that is a stand-alone movie. [[M10|The]] [[M11|other]] [[M12|three]] Diamond & Pearl movies are part of a trilogy.
* The movie's fictitious setting is based on various locations in {{wp|the Netherlands}} and {{wp|Belgium}}, such as {{wp|Magere Brug}}, {{wp|Amstel River}}, {{wp|Kinderdijk}} and {{wp|Brussels}}.
* This movie marks the first time all three of the [[legendary beasts]] appear at the same time in the anime, and the first time {{p|Raikou}} gets a starring role in a movie.
** This movie also marks the first time a [[shiny Pokémon|shiny]] [[Legendary Pokémon|legendary]] (in this case [[Legendary beasts (movie 13)|Entei, Raikou and Suicune]]) appears in the {{pkmn|anime}}.
* This is the third Pokémon movie so far that does not have a legendary Pokémon as the main featured Pokémon, the first being ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown]]'' and the second being ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''.
* The teaser trailer shown at the end of ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', showed {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}} locked in an aerial battle, and Zoroark transforming into a darker version of Ash. Neither of these elements made it into the final film.
* Even though the movie airs between ''[[DP183|League Unleashed!]]'' and ''[[DP184|Casting a Paul on Barry!]]'', it does not actually take place in that time period, which is during the [[Lily of the Valley Conference]].
* This movie was released in Taiwan on July 30, 2010, which was just 20 days after its Japanese premiere.
* [[Professor Rowan]], [[Johanna]], [[Paul]], {{an|Barry}}, [[Ursula]], [[Nando]], [[Zoey]], [[Cynthia]] and {{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}} make cameo appearances in the movie's credits, along with all of [[Sinnoh]]'s [[Gym Leaders]] and [[Elite Four]].
* {{jo|Jimmy}} makes a cameo in the beginning of the film with a {{p|Donphan}}, seen in [[Pokémon battle|battle]] with Ash.
* The [[Officer Jenny]] seen in this movie has a star symbol on her hat, which was the same symbol worn by the Jenny in [[Viridian City]] (who was also the first Officer Jenny to [[EP002|appear]] in the anime).
* This is the only appearance of [[Generation V]] Pokémon prior to the {{series|Best Wishes}}.

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==External links==
*[http://www.pokemon-movie.jp Japanese movie website]
*[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/anime/movie Pokemon.co.jp movie website]
*[http://www.my-cartoon.com.tw/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=385 Chinese movie website]

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'''My Pokémon Ranch''' (Japanese: '''みんなのポケモン{{tt|牧場|ぼくじょう}}''' ''Everyone's Pokémon Ranch'') is a WiiWare title that was announced at Nintendo's fall 2007 conference. It was developed by [[Ambrella]] and can be purchased for 1,000 Wii Points. [[Pokémon]] can be transferred from {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} and stored on a farm. The {{player}} can use up to 8 Diamond and Pearl games to send their Pokémon, which then can be organized in the ranch by factors like height and weight. Hayley will give the player information on the Pokémon, which will be different from the info in the games. She will also bring a Pokémon each day to the ranch for which the player can trade. She will ask what type of Pokémon she will bring to the ranch next.

The farm is owned by [[Hayley]], a friend of [[Bebe]]'s. Players can sort, take pictures, and interact with up to 1,000 of their Pokémon.

It is essentially a [[Generation IV]] version of [[Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire|Pokémon Box]]. However, it is notable that Pokémon Ranch is similar to [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]] in that it will only interact with specific save files. This means that if a Pokémon is placed on the ranch, only the game from which it was placed onto the ranch may take the Pokémon back off it. This prevents people storing Pokémon and starting a new game - something for which previous storage titles were quite useful.

On November 5, 2008, My Pokémon Ranch was issued an update with the ability to communicate to {{game|Platinum}} in Japan. According to a recent [[Pokémon.com]] mailbag, there are no current plans to release this update outside of Japan. My Pokémon Ranch will not work with Platinum without this update. It is completely incompatible with HeartGold and SoulSilver.

==Features==
===Initial features===
[[Image:Farm1.png|320px|thumb|right|Hayley with a player's Pokémon]]
*My Pokémon Ranch is able to connect, store and withdraw Pokémon from 8 different {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} or {{game|Platinum}} (in Japan only) game cards using the [[Nintendo DS]]'s connectivity. It is able to store up to 1,000 Pokémon at a time; however, the number rises to 1,500 after the Platinum update is applied.
*Pokémon and Miis can interact in full 3D on the Wii. A Pokémon's behavior in the ranch can be determined by the Pokémon's [[nature]], [[moves]], etc.
*The player is able to take pictures at any time when on the ranch and save them to the message board or a SD card. Taking pictures of objects can be made easier by applying a Focus Lock or spinning the screen around using the Nunchuk.
*Using WiiConnect24, the player can send pictures he or she has taken on the ranch to other friends.
*On occasions, the player and [[Hayley]] can trade Pokémon on the ranch. Her traded Pokémon can be withdrawn onto the player's {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} or {{game|Platinum}} game card.
*A Pokémon's {{shiny}} coloring, alternate forms, and [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences]] are visible in the game.
*If a Pokémon came from a special place or is [[level]] 100, they will sparkle in a green or blue sparkles, respectively.

===Platinum update===
[[‎File:Mpr platinumscreen.jpg|thumb|right|350px|A screenshot taken after installing the Platinum update. Note the {{p|Giratina}} [[Form differences#Giratina|Origin Forme]]]]
On November 5, 2008, My Pokémon Ranch was issued an update with the ability to communicate to {{game|Platinum}}. The title is not compatible with Pokémon Platinum outside of Japan. There are no known current plans to release this update outside of Japan. My Pokémon Ranch will not work with Platinum without this update.

In this update, the following features were added:
* The ranch can now rise to to level 26, which, allowing storage of an extra 500 Pokémon brings the total to 1500.
* {{p|Giratina}} Origin Forme will appear if it is holding a {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Griseous Orb}} when deposited.
* {{p|Shaymin}} Sky Forme can be added by touching the toy {{OBP|Gracidea|flower}}, which, like all toys, can appear every once in a while.
* New {{p|Rotom}} forms can be added by depositing them when they are in that appliance.
* New toys and [[Club Look See]] members. Eleven new toys were added and the club members changed from 37 to 40.
* Revisit Club Look See ranches.
* A menu is added that allows changing of the song.
* Twelve new animations can be played. Some new animations consist of battles between rivals, such as {{p|Zangoose}} and {{p|Seviper}}, {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Darkrai}} and {{p|Cresselia}}.
* Photos can be added to or from the SD card in bulk, instead of one at a time. Album size is increased to 30.

==Pokémon==
===Wanted Pokémon===
[[Image:RanchRequestGliscor.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Details on how to catch a Wanted Pokémon]]
Once a player has stored Pokémon for the first time, Hayley will take the player's [[Pokédex]] data and from it, request "Wanted Pokémon", Pokémon that are typically not yet in the player's Pokédex. Once the player's Pokédex is filled, not counting event-only Pokémon, she'll compliment the player on their Pokédex and start requesting ones that the player has already caught. The game will provide the player with all the information on acquiring the listed Pokémon, including information on a Pokémon's pre-evolved form, and if an item is needed to evolve it, where that item can be found. This can be used to both assist and motivate said player into completing their Pokédex. The player is given 10 days to acquire this Pokémon until the post is removed and a new one is made. "Wanted Pokémon" requests are not tied to specific game cards. If one player deposits a Pokémon that Hayley requested from another player, it will be taken off the Wanted list and she will ask the player to show the other player how to find Pokémon. If all of the Wanted posts expire, Hayley will ask the player to connect their DS so new ones can be made.

===Hayley's Trades===
{{main|Hayley's trades}}

Whenever the player brings in one of the "Wanted Pokémon", Hayley will offer to trade one of her Pokémon for it, and the Pokémon received will be one of the following twenty and will know a TM, egg move, or have something else that makes them unique. The Pokémon available for trade are limited to ones that Hayley has already brought to the ranch. She will always bring a tradeable when the player chooses "No" for both answers when Hayley asks what kind of Pokémon she should bring to the ranch the next day. When she has brought all tradeable Pokémon, her confirmation message will change to "All right. Leave it to me! I will bring a ___ Pokémon tomorrow!"

All of these Pokémon will have the [[Original Trainer|OT]] Hayley (English) or ユカリ (Japanese) and the [[Trainer ID number]] 01000. Note that all of the Pokémon with specific natures cannot have a different nature, gender, and ability and they cannot be shiny.

===Special Pokémon===
These two Pokémon are only available once some requirements are filled. Once 250 Pokémon are present on the ranch, the ranch will expand and jump to a new level. When this level is obtained, Hayley will add a new Pokémon to the "Wanted" board, {{p|Leafeon}}. When Leafeon is brought to the ranch, she will offer to trade it for her {{p|Phione}}. When 999 Pokémon are present, the ranch will expand and jump to level 25, the maximum level. Once this level is obtained, a new wanted Pokémon will be added. Hayley is now asking for any [[Pokémon egg]]. When the egg is brought, she will offer to trade it for her Mew.

====Phione====
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====Mew====

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==Events==
[[Image:Ranchtotempole.JPG‎|250px|thumb|right|A typical totem pole]]
Every 15 minutes, a random event in the ranch will occur. These events don't have any real significance, only intended for a good picture opportunity. Some events only occur after the player has a certain amount of Pokémon or certain kind of Pokémon in the ranch.
===Initial events===
# Attention - Deposit at least 1 Pokémon
# ZigZag Parade - Deposit at least 25 {{p|Zigzagoon}}
# Dash - Deposit {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Meowth}}, {{p|Teddiursa}} and {{p|Munchlax}}
# Sky Parade - Deposit at least 11 Pokémon that levitate about the ranch
# Totem Pole - Deposit at least 5 Pokémon
# Hop-Hop - Deposit at least 20 {{p|Cleffa}}
# Pikachu Party - Deposit at least 20 {{p|Pikachu}}
# Circle Dance - Deposit at least 20 Pokémon of the same species
# Ring Dance - Deposit at least 20 Pokémon of the same type
# ZigZag Dance - Deposit at least 20 {{p|Zigzagoon}}
# Slow Waltz - Deposit at least 10 of each: {{p|Illumise}} and {{p|Volbeat}}
# Do the Wave - Deposit 8 {{p|Minun}} and 8 {{p|Plusle}}
# Chorus - Deposit several {{p|Igglybuff}}, {{p|Jigglypuff}} and {{p|Wigglytuff}}
# Carousel - Deposit at least 40: {{p|Ponyta}}, {{p|Rapidash}}, {{p|Stantler}} and {{p|Girafarig}}
# Clock - Happens every hour
# Keyboard - Deposit all the {{p|Unown}}

===New Platinum events===
# Wrestling Tournament - {{p|Hariyama}} and {{p|Makuhita}} (Only after update)
# Surf - Water Pokémon use {{m|Surf}} to cover the ranch in water. They then swim and jump through the water.
# Dialga VS Palkia
# Zangoose VS Seviper
# Darkrai VS Cresselia
# Rotom forms

==Toys==
Toys for Pokémon and Miis with which to play are delivered to the ranch every day. The type of toys delivered randomly changes every day and the amount of toys depends on the size of the ranch. Each toy comes in a present box which must be picked up and dropped to open.

===Initial toys===
The following is a list of toys available in My Pokémon Ranch:

* Attractor - A magnetic device that Miis can use to draw Pokémon to them.
* Bonfire - A fire that Pokémon and Miis can watch. Pokémon and Miis that get to close to it can be burned. Pokémon weak to the fire type are naturally scared of the Bonfire.
* Bounce back ball - An incredibly bouncy ball that is sent flying if a Pokémon touches it, and knocks away any Pokémon and Miis it hits while moving.
* Burst ball - A large round explosive that explodes whenever Pokémon touch it, sending them flying.
* Challenger - A dummy for Pokémon to use their attacks on.
* Fountain - A water fountain that, when Pokémon or Miis jump on, increases in power to give them a brief lift.
* Leader Flag - A flag that Miis can use to lead a parade of Pokémon in a large group.
* Parade Drum - A drum that Miis can use to lead a parade of Pokémon in a long line.
* Pitfall - A hole that Pokémon and Miis can jump into. They return falling from the sky.
* Poké balloons - Balloons that a Pokémon or Mii can attach to their head in order to fly around.
* Poké bell - A Mii can use this to attract Pokémon with a ringing noise.
* Poké cushion - This can be placed on a Mii's head so that Pokémon can jump and rest on it. If a heavy Pokémon jumps on their head, the Mii will be stunned.
* Poké microphone - A Microphone that Pokémon can cry into. Their cries into the microphone will be heard through the Wii Remote's speaker
* Poké pendulum - A pendulum that attracts Pokémon with a hypnotic effect and can put them to sleep if they watch it too long.
* Poké rocket - Pokémon can jump inside. Then, when the rocket aims, it launches the Pokémon.
* Pokémon pallet - A pallet that when used by a Pokémon, summons all of the Pokémon in a ranch to get together to form an image of the user's in-game sprite.
* Round rock - Pokémon can tackle the rock so that it moves. The Pokémon then try to dodge it. If they lose, they become run over and flattened.
* Slippery peel - A banana peel that trips Pokémon and Miis that step on it.
* Snowman - A Snowman that freezes Pokémon and Miis that get too close to it. Pokémon resistant to the Ice type enjoy a sprinkle of snowflakes. Temporarily shrinks if a fire attack is used against it.
* Spin ride - It is shaped like a tree trunk. Pokémon and miis can jump on it and get a quick spin around.
* Spring stand - Pokémon can jump onto the stand and then will be sprung into the sky, landing not far away.
* Stinky ball - Miis can pick this up. Then a stench is released that repels Pokémon and Miis and causes the Mii carrying it to become worried.
* Training bag - A bag with a target on it for Pokémon to use their attacks on.

===New Platinum Toys===
When My Pokémon Ranch is updated, 11 new toys were added to the Ranch to use. The following toys are also available with the platinum update:

* Gracidea Flower - This flower will open up and allows Shaymin to turn into its Sky Forme.
* Birthday Cake - Confetti falls from the sky around the cake to celebrate a birthday.
* Magnet - Allows the user to pick up more than one Pokémon at a time.
* Tree

==Club Look-See==
{{main|Club Look-See}}
[[File:CLS Penny.jpg|thumb|Penny, a member of Club Look-See, that has an egg theme]]
[[Club Look-See]] is a group of people that will come to the Ranch and invite the player to see their ranch. Each member is assigned a number (#1, #2, and so on) and they will appear in order of their number. Each member's ranch has a certain theme, this means that each of their ranches is filled with a certain Pokémon. Each member's Mii also typically bears some resemblance to the Pokémon they have. These are special occurrences that will happen periodically.

==Reception==
My Pokémon Ranch received generally negative reviews. The largest criticisms of the game was the lack of interaction with the game,[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/wiiware-my-pokemon-ranch-and-pop-review] and the fact that the player has to own a copy of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} for the majority of the game's features to be accessible.[http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/881/881343p1.html] In addition, some reviewers criticized the game's Mii-like graphics, with IGN calling it "the ugliest Pokémon game to hit any video game system".[http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/881/881343p1.html] The game received an average score of 47% on [http://www.metacritic.com/search/process.shtml?page=3&sid=MTIzMDk4MzM1OTU2Ny44MjUxNzcz&sort=relevance&ts=pokemon&y=7&termType=all&ty=3&x=19 Metacritic.]

==Trivia==
*Hayley appears in the [[Generation IV]] games in [[Pokémon Super Contest]]s with her {{p|Buneary}} named "Floppy". This is a reference to her Buneary in this game that players can trade another Pokémon for and transfer to the DS. 

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2010-12-14T13:07:00Z

Desukaan563: /* Any answers? */

2010-12-01T03:28:07Z

Desukaan563:

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Just warning y'll!

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and
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Because (no offense)...
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also because
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as well as the fact that
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Take a moment to ponder the below:
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''My friend code for it is'' '''4898 8522 7143'''
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Well, I don't take it in the pool...
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a Bichon Frise[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bichon_Frise]named Snowball.
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Hi! I'm [[File:Ani201ODM.png]][[File:Ani201OD.png]][[File:Ani201ODT.png]][[File:Ani201ODT.png]][[File:Ani201ODH.png]][[File:Ani201ODE.png]][[File:Ani201ODW.png]] /Desukaan563 and I have a Pokédex of +440, and, thanks to the GTS, and Safari Zone, normally have as many in my obtained as in my seen, in Pokémon Heartgold version. I have completed my Johto dex (with the exception of Celebi) including Mew. I love Pokemon games, and also own Pokémon Ruby (but it doesn't save, so I am going to get it fixed). Some of my most used (many having had the Pokérus in the past) Pokémon are: a Lv. 100 Leaf Crown Darkrai, a Lv. +80 Mewtwo, another Mewtwo I got of the GTS (named Genesis), a Lv. 100 Mew (got of the GTS for a Blissey ♀, I think he is hacked >_<), a Lv. 100 FE Manaphy, and some other great guys! I have also been working on leveling up my new 10th Anniversary of GS event FE Leave Crown Mew. I'm very interested (though quite disappointed) in the new Pokémon Generation V! I also like Smash Bros. Brawl for Wii (which I own)! I would trade '''dearly''' for a Celebi, Shiny Pichu (I have one I got off the GTS, but he doesn't activate anything), Arceus (a real one, not hacked), Chimchar-evolutionary-line, Treecko-evolutionary-line, or Deoxys (though I don't want the last three that bad).

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Here is a creation of mine that I am very proud of: a Value formula for Pokémon (needs calculator). It has Value and Accessorized Value, which is not that important, it's only if your Pokémon has loads of ribbons etc. And, if you want, drop the legendary status, and drop the scale of ratings by 50, if you want.

Desukaan563's Uniform Pokémon Value formula:

Legendary (0, if not, 25 if debatable e.g. Phione, 50 if undisputed)

Shininess (0 if not, 25 if hacked non-legend, 45 if hacked legend, 50 if non-legendary, 100
if '''legitimately''' shiny legendary)

Rarity (5 if common, 15 is fairly common, 25 evolved only, 45 if pretty rare, 60 if legendary, 75 if version mascot, 100 if event only or only obtained from event such as Surfing Pikachu)

Level (round to nearest 10)

Bonuses:
*Alternative forms add +10 Bonus points; Alternative forms only accessible through certain items/version exclusive are +15 Bonus instead.
*If they have in-game affects, in your game and its counterparts, add +10, if effects in multiple versions & counterparts (Such as Heartgold and Platinum, Diamond) add +15 points and 10 Bonus instead.
*If hacked, -50 points, however, if not otherwise obtainable without event, -35 points instead.
*Knowing its signature move(s) adds +25 to value.
*Legitimately knowing a move otherwise not normally learned (not including moves passed down through breeding) adds +25.
*For every Shiny Leaf obtained, add +10 points. Shiny Leaves are available and can be turned into Leaf Crowns (which is worth 75 points instead of the normal 50 points for 5 Shiny Leaves) only in Heartgold and Soulsilver.
*Having a legit Cherish/Premier Ball adds +35 points, a Classical Ribbon is +25 but prevents trading (legit non-tradable adds +15 Bonus points), and a Premier ribbon adds +45 points.
*Contest Ribbons add 10, 20, 30, and then 50 Bonus points (Depending on highest rank, Normal Rank, Super/Great Rank, Hyper/Ultra Rank, and Master Rank, respectively) and a Champion Ribbon, Sinnoh Champ ribbon, and Legend Ribbon are worth +40 Bonus Points, plus +25 points, each. *Each Battle Tower ribbon is worth +10 Bonus points, and getting the world Ability Ribbon adds an additional 25 Bonus points and 25 points.
*Weekday Ribbons are worth 5 Bonus points each, and the Footprint Ribbon is worth 15 Bonus points, and 10 points (due to being available only in DPPt), the Effort Ribbon is worth 15 Bonus points and 5 points. Tournament Ribbons are worth 45 Bonus points and 15 points amd the Gorgeous Ribbon is 25 Bonus points, and 10 points; Royal Ribbon is 35 Bonus points and 20 points. Gorgeous Royal Ribbon is worth 50 Bonus points and 35 points. Other Ribbons are worth 5 Bonus points.
*A Pokémon that is not event exclusive but was obtained through events is +25 points.
*Some Pokémon are not allowed in the Battle Frontier due to their superior abilities. +25 Bonus and +20 points

Value
Add normal points up.
*+300= Extremely Valuable
*+275= Valuable
*+250= Pretty Valuable
*+200= Fairly Valuable
*+150= Average.

Accessorized Value:
Add the special points up.
Add that to the normal points total.

*+400= Extremely Valuable
*+300= Valuable
*+275= Pretty Valuable
*+250= Fairly Valuable
*+200= Above Average
*-200= Average

'''Check back soon, for I am coming up with a Battle Value formula!!!'''

Talk:Zekrom (Pokémon)

2010-11-30T12:03:19Z

Desukaan563:

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

== Finally! ==

Yes, it finally got created. So no Pokémon Sunday? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 00:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:No, there wasn't any new information on Pokémon Sunday. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 00:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Dragon-type? ==

How do you guys know they're Dragon-types? None of the information I read specifically said so. - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 00:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:It has been confrmed on Pokémon Daisuki Club as being atleast a Dragon-type. All this information was made sure to be confirmed before being added, so don't worry. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 00:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::OK just making sure it's not all speculation; I mean, just because it's in the article doesn't mean it was researched, or that someone didn't just throw in their piece of speculation. ;) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 00:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Have they been confirmed as being solely Dragon-type, though? If not, it seems a bit misleading to put that there, in my opinion. --[[User:Bdoing|Bdoing]] 01:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:That we aren't sure of though. It could be purely a Dragon-type or a dual type, for which the second type is clearly unknown as of yet. But for the type that we do know, I don't see any harm in it being there until more information is revealed. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 01:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::imo it's not 100% confirmed that they are dragon-types - Daisuki Club said that they are dragons, not that they are definitely dragon-''type''. But that's just how I see it I guess :V [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I have to agree with the Dragon thing. They may of said they were "Dragons" but that's not a 100% sure thing that they are really Dragon types. If you look at past Pokémon, there are some that are considered dragons but don't have the Dragon type. {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, {{p|Sceptile}} etc. - [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 02:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Agreed. Taking "Legendary Dragon Pokemon" to mean that they're dragon-type, despite that not being confirmed, seems to me like jumping the gun. That, and it seems very misleading to treat them as a pure-type just because you don't know its other type. Even a Dragon/??? type would be clearer than that. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 09:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Well now they are confirmed that they are Dragon types, so yea... [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::But it has never been said they are dual types, even though they might. For now, this is all we have.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 12:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Part of being a Pokémon encyclopedia is reporting what we know. We know that they're Dragon-type. We don't know anything else about their types. That's why it says Dragon and nothing else (not even a ???). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Not counting Daisuke Club, where was it confirmed? Forgive me if I'm slow. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Dragon/Electric type! ==

Ok, so the host of Pokemon Sunday accidentally posted on her blog that Zekrom was Dragon/Electric, and then shortly after she deleted it because of obvious reasons. Here is the proof.. http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5286/zkrtype2.jpg . I Don't know if you need more proof, but that really is proof in itself really. --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 10:29, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:Can someone translate for those of us that don't know Japanese please?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Wow. My guesses of Dragon/Dark and Dragon/Steel were way off. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Keep the forum chat in the forums thanks. Japanese translation is welcome here, but comments along the lines of the one directly above mine shouldn't be here. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Did she identify Zekrom as a Dragon/Electric? If she didn't, it might as well be Electric/Dragon instead. The order of the types is important for the page. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 12:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:The only thing I see is a pun with "Here is the proof" and linking to a picture of Proof. I'm not seeing any mention of Zekrom, but I might just be half asleep and not noticing anything. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 14:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::I couldn't see Zekrom's name either, but I wasn't sure. I guess it's not about Zekrom after all.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I wouldn't jump the gun yet though, as there is the possibility of the "electric" thing being a mistake on the writers part or even a mistranslation (though I highly doubt). [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 15:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain that the screenshot is of the page after she edited it. Regardless, from what translations I've seen of it, she only says it's "''related'' to electric type pokemon", which does not guarantee it's an Electric type. Lugia is related to the water type, yet it's Psychic/Flying.--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 16:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
: In before "OMFG IT'S A HINT FOR THE LIGHT TYPE BLARGH". But honestly though, I really hope nobody spits that out due to that "related to electric type" statement because that would be really annoying. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 16:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'd say this puts a dent in the Light Type possibilities if Zekrom isn't Dark. ;-) But, yeah, while this is very interesting we can't state it as fact under the current circumstances. Some mention of the blog entry might fit under Trivia. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
That picture up there, it isn't really proof, since all I see in the Japanese text is "Bibiddo Bubble(?)""Koiru; Coil(Magnemite),""Magnet," etc. Someone that can read better than me may be some help.--[[User:ShedinjaFtw|ShedinjaFtw]] 00:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Oh wow this trolling. She's just gushing over the illustration directly above the text ("vivid purple!!1!" "magnemite"! "magnets"!)—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:42, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::How does this have anything to do with Zekrom? I don't see "Zekuromu"... all I see are stuff about illustration... even at the top, it says clearly: "Tēma: Irasuto", which is basically "Theme: Illustration." Sorry if it's just me and my bad eyes, but that up there has nothing to do with Zekrom. --[[User:ShedinjaFtw|ShedinjaFtw]] 01:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::: The image posted is the blog after the comment was removed, [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/PKIM82/zkrtype1.jpg here] is the screencap from before the edit. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 03:08, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Well I suppose that much checks out...we should definitely hold off on making that a part of the article, though.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::Any mention of the electric type should stay away from the bulk of the article but I still say it counts as trivia. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
The thought of that part of the blog being removed instead of changed leads me to believe that it was a leak instead of an error, as the error would most likely be fixed instead. Also, is it really better to count it soley as a dragon and not a Dragon/Unconfirmed, since ??? is considered a type?--[[User:Jmassacre|Jmassacre]] 13:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's only been officially announced as Dragon so we can only mention the one type for now. Interesting as that blog entry is, claiming that Zekrom has a second type at all is still too close to rumour and speculation at this point. The type effectiveness section probably isn't accurate, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

==Sprite==
I know one of the screenshots from Black and White had a sprite of Zekrom in it. I've never uploaded an image before, so maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any reasons why the sprite isn't here. If authenticity is a concern, we can just put the "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" mouse-over on it. --[[User:Element03|Element03]] 04:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think the issue is actually quality, rather than whether it is real or not. The screenshots we have are of relatively low quality, so any sprites pulled from them will be as well. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::The sprites will only be put on if they are needed for a template. The spritebox will not be implemented until the games release, so the sprites are only needed for the evobox. So far, we will only put in a evobox if we know it evolves to something else or evolves from something else ({{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}), or if we know it will evolve (starters). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:20, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright, I can wait, but would like to point that a pretty clear shot is at http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:BW_Prerelease_Zekrom_battle.png. I checked to make sure it matches up with current sprites, which it does, but I noticed that Zekrom is 94x90 pixels. Interesting to note, this is much larger than any previous sprite.--[[User:Element03|Element03]] 01:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

==Last?==
The article shows Bulbasaur as the next Pokémon. This used to be the case with Arceus, due to it ending the Pokédex. However, a version mascot has never ended the Pokédex, so why is Zekrom listed at the end? It is the last Pokémon known, but probably should not be listed as the last Pokémon. [[User:Digletdude|Digletdude]] 20:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't know what the last Pokemon is, though. It's listed there because it's... like you said, the last Pokemon known right now. It's only temporary until the game comes out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 20:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
::However, other Generation V Pokémon have been shown with "???" as next and previous. We do know other Pokémon are Next and Previous, but we don't know how many may or may not be in between. Although there Pokédex numbers are missing, some, such as the starters can be ordered. This means, if Zekrom is ordered as last, others can be temporairly ordered. {{unsigned|Digletdude}}
::Sorry I didn't sign yesterday, I was multi-tasking, and accidently put the signature in a document I was typing. I didn't know I can't resign. {{unsigned|Digletdude}}

==Physiology for the admins to implement==

Zekrom is a bipedal Pokemon of indefinable basis, but conveyed to be dragon-like. Zekrom is mainly a shade of dark gray, with darker patches on various portions of its body. It has red eyes and a small horn-like protrusion on the tip of its snout, with its head sporting a plume tipped with light-blue coloration. At the base of its neck is a black, stud-like feature, and atop its shoulders are similiar, larger features resembling armor padding.The bases of its wings also have such padding, and a fanned, splayed, seemingly webbed shape with a small "wing-spike" on one edge. The lower length of Zekrom's arms extenuate into splayed, seemingly webbed, somewhat baseball-mitt-like formations, with three-clawed, dark-colored hands on the undersides. The front portion of Zekrom's waist is black-colored, with its belly and thighs having thin striations down their length. The knees are black, as are the foremost parts of its three-clawed feet and spiked heels. Zekrom's tail consists of large, round, conical and spiked formation, likened to a electricity generator, with a black inner portion and bands on the tip of the outside portion. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 00:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

==Trivia for the admins to implement==
Zekrom is the first pokemon to have a type combination of Dragon and Electric. {{unsigned|Burzerk}}

==Possible name origin?==
Could the "Ze" of Zekrom be derived from the Chinese 光澤 ''guāngzé'' (luster)? However, I'm not sure about this. Besides "luster (of metal and gems)", 澤 ''zé'' also has other meanings, such as "pool/swamp", "humid/damp", and "favour/kindness". [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 14:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Possible, but it strikes me as unlikely. My best guess is that both the "Re" and "Ze" come from two possible readings of 零 (zero, null, fraction, fragment, etc.): レイ ('''''re'''i'') and ゼロ ('''''ze'''ro''). A quick google search shows that at least a few Japanese websites have made the same guess. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::Wow, I can't believe I didn't see that. It does make sense: (Rei + shiramu = '''Re'''sh'''i'''ramu = Reshriram) and (Zero + kuromu = '''Ze'''ku'''ro'''mu = Zekrom). I wonder if there is a relationship to Arceus, the "Original '''One'''" (perhaps a reference to {{wp|Pangu}}). Other than that, there could be a reference to {{wp|Ground Zero}} or {{wp|Wu wei}}.[[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 12:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Accented é ==

In the first sentence of Zekrom's physiology, the word "Pokémon" is missing the accented é. --[[User:♫Green♫|♫]][[Special:Contributions/♫Green♫|Green]][[User Talk:♫Green♫|♫]] 20:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:Got it. Thanks :D --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Game color? ==

Why is the black Pokémon the mascot for Pokémon White and the white Pokémon the Black mascot? Is this something new they're doing for Generation V? [[User:RikutheGreat|RikutheGreat]] 21:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:That's just what they wanted to do. It's kind of like yin and yang. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 21:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

it's because the main villian uses reshiram in white, and zekrom is the one who's caught, and viceversa for black

== Special Moves? Breeding? ==

What is this "Special Moves" sub-header for, and why is it not on other articles as far as I can see? Second, why is it given a sub-header for breeding moves? All legendary Pokemon save for Manaphy are incapable of breeding.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 05:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:"Special moves" is for moves that don't fit elsewhere in the table, such as event only moves. It is actually the same level heading as the breeding one. The reason why all that stuff is there is that the template used to make the new Pokémon articles includes it, and since we haven't got enough info for the move set we haven't bothered touching those headers at all. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Should it be mentioned that the padding around Zekrom's claws look similar to the capture devices in Pokémon Colloseum? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 20:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:That's a rather subjective point, so I don't think it needs mentioning. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== trivia to be added ==

shouldnt it be mentioned that zekrom is the only electric pokemon that doesnt have yellow in its colour scheme?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 10:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Voltorb, Electrode, Magnemite, Magneton, Flaafy, Rotom, Probopass.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 10:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

you forgot about voltorb electrode mareep and rotom none of them got yellow coloration eventhough rotom can have a yellow coloratin if he is in the fan form![[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 10:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Probopass isn't electric-type, Urutapu.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Anime ==

Could someone perhaps add that it's got an appearance in the [[BW001|first episode of ''Best Wishes!'']], even if it is kinda minor? [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 23:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be added that Zekrom is the only known Pokemon that has a double resistance to electric? [[User:Pikiwyn|Pikiwyn]] 16:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Moves by breeding ==
Yeah, an admin needs to remove that section. Seeing as it's in the No Eggs group and all. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== BW001 ==
Should Zekrom be mentioned in the "In The Anime" Section as showing up in a thunderstorm? After all, it was there, even if it was only in the storm. --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 18:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Zekrom Origin ==

This is just a speculation, but may be a possible origin to Zekrom.
In the first episode of BW, Professor Araragi says:
この　ちほう　に　いい　つたえ「きょだい　な　かみなりぐも　は　ひと　と　ポケモン　を　みまもる　かみ　に　いる」「いくつもの　いなずま　の　かみ　に　よる　さばき　の　てっつい　と　てん　を　ささえる　はしら　とも　いわれて」
I don't know how the english fansubs translated it, but the portuguese missed some important words, what made me search for a better translation.
Here's what I've understood of it:
"There's a legend in this region: In a cloud of thunders exists a god who watches over people and Pokémon. He's called the god of inumerous lightnings who wields the judgement hammer and that sustains the heavens as a pillar."
That part about "Judgement hammer" and the fact that Zekrom controls thunders reminded me of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor Thor], from the Norse Polytheism.
Until now, I have only those clues, so I can't say for sure, but it is something worth to look for. Blow 18:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

Should it noted that Reshiram and Zekrom may draw from Taoist beliefs?

After all, Cross Flame and Cross Thunder seem to draw from it (I.E. "You can't have one without the other" which draws from Yin and Yang of Taoism).

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:It already states that Reshiram & Zekrom are based on the concept of Yin and Yang. What more is needed? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::Oops, Musta missed that. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Question V.2

As of BW01, Zekrom has been shown to be able to "steal" the electricity of its fellow Electric-types to the point where they can no longer use Electric attacks.

Though it is mentioned in the Anime: Major Appearances section, should it also be added to Abilities?

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

:Was it ever actually stated what Zekrom actually did to Pikachu? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

::Given the condition Pikachu was in after whatever Zekrom did, and how it returned after Zekrom returned, I feel it is worth mentioning under abilities. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 06:09, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That's not really answering my question, but I do agree [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I'll answer now then: I don't remember if they mentioned it. But Zekrom did do something with Pikachu that eliminated his electric powers so it should be worth mentioning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 06:34, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'd wait for the dub since I honestly don't know Japanese. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've watched that part again. Araragi and Oak say that Pikachu absorbed too much electricity, so he's overloaded and can't use his electric moves as he wishes. Ash asks if Pikachu would stay in that state permanently, but than Zekrom arrives and strikes another thunder at Pikachu, that looks to go berserk (he can't control the thunders that are flowing out - look at that with attention). That moment, Ash's act as a ground wire (^_^') and everything is ok \o/. Case solved, Zekrom don't have the ability to steal electricity. Blow 14:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Perhaps it should be mentioned that it can strike its fellow Electric types with enough energy to cause them to be unable to control their Electricity? I don't know. But thanks, Blow. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Let's say Ash's Pikachu have the [[Lightningrod]] ability. But Zekrom have [[Teravoltage]] ability, which allows him to strike through Pikachu's ability. Then, it would be reasonable that, instead of being converted (without damage to Pikachu) and raising Pikachu's Special Attack, Zekrom's lightning stroke Pikachu's inner parts, as in Pikachu's Special abilities description: "As Pikachu builds up energy in its electricity glands, it often needs to discharge, as to not result in a short, or worse, which can lead to physical Paralysis, or in severe cases, death.". I mean, even a lightning rod can fail its purpose if it isn't designed to properly receive the energy of a thunder. Blow 16:55, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Requirement to catch Zekrom/Reshiram ==

What happens when you face them without any Poké Balls on hand? Or you run out of them in the battle? Does beating/running from it restart the battle or transport you somewhere you can buy Poké Balls? Because otherwise you're stuck forever. --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 12:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
::Is it confirmed that the Master Ball is impossible to get rid of in this gen at all? If so maybe that might not be a problem, unless of course some people are stupid enough to use it for something else... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 23:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:::1) You can throw away the Master Ball.
:::2) You can give the Master Ball to a Pokémon and release it.
:::3) You can meet and catch the roaming legendary before you fight the box legendary(a good reason to use the Master Ball).
:::4) If you beat the box legendary it just stays there, and you can so walk back to the room with the Plasma Member that'll warp you back to the Pokémon League Pokémon Center. Didn't try running, though I assume it will have a similar result.
:::5) If you don't have any {{tt|money|Spent it all and then gave everything to your Pokémon, then went on a releasing spree, for example.}}, you can go and {{tt|beat|You defeated the Elite 4 to get there, so these trainers are a pushover.}} the Triple/Rotation trainers for money to buy some balls.
:::6) If you don't have any {{tt|strong Pokémon|Let them go in that releasing spree, for example}}, you must have at least one left, which you can slowly train up against wild Pokémon until it's strong enough to beat some trainers to get some money.
:::7) If your Pokémon don't know any offensive attacks, well, that's where {{tt|infinite-use TMs|Now these are impossible to get rid of...}} come in handy.
:::8) Anyway, a Team Plasma Member in N's Castle will give you an Ultra Ball, which afterward the first catchable Pokémon you should see is the box legendary, so you should have at least one ball facing it the first time. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 00:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

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Hey I noticed that in the egg section it doesn't say "Not legitimately obtainable as egg" How do we add this? Or is it the first Legend Mascot to breed (of course not!).----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 12:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

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Could you please change the color of your signature? That yellow is hard to read, and it hurts my eyes. >_< --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

'K. Liked yellow though 'cause it matches Desukaan's color scheme, but tan will do I guess. [[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563, with a Pokedex of +385]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 12:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Just updated it again thanks to GTS: ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563, with a Pokedex of +400]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

And again: ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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Got it! Oh, sorry about Tyranitar, but don't pay attention to accessorized value,as it is not that important, but I'll bet his normal value is fin. Besides, only event guys are super rare, plus legends are more valuable, but you could ignore that, and drop the value scale by 50 points for each ranking. It's mainly used for legendary, plus you could drop the bonuses and drop each rating on the scale by 50. Oh, I am having trouble designing my page, but I will figure it out... maybe ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 10:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC) Oh, how long is my signature now (I keep counting but losing track)???
:Microsoft Word says 76. You're in the clear. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Great! I made a few minor updates with the value system. Hope this makes me famous over Pokémon fandom! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 05:40, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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'k. Hey is there a way for me to link to a trainer class, but have a different name, cause i am having trouble deciding which trainer class to use. Oh, and it keeps changing my location to pokemon world, though my actual location link is supposed to be Mt. Silver. Could u make a thing for userpages that show how many edits you've made that day (and have them correspond to time zones cause i am in asia right now). ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:20, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=100&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Desukaan563&namespace=2&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 There you go] You've already made 5 edits which is 2 too many. We go by server time. So, if the server says you made 5 edits on November 29th, then you made 5 edits and have gone over the limit of 3. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember the clock at the top by your username is server time, so you can compare that to your time to figure out the difference. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::<s>Oh, I created a page for DS download play, but it is a stub i am afraid (there's not much to write, only one page that i know of links to it). Am i allowed to put the stub tag on it, or is that for admins only?</s> Oh, one more thing, i still don't understand the archive your talk page thing. Where do i move it? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::::Wait never mind that stub thing. It got deleted for being to short (even for a stub). ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::You can theoretically move it anywhere you want provided it stays in your user talkspace. Most people go for something simple like ''User talk:Desukaan563/Archive1'' [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wait, so i create a page, move this to it? Is that how lots of people have so many pages like sandbox, etc.? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::[[Bulbapedia:Talk_page#My_user_talk_page|Follow these instructions]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::OK. It doesn't link to my userpage, though, but i think i did it right... ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:44, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yep. Don't forget to change the redirect left behind when you move it to a regular link though. ;) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::What do u mean? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::When you move a page it leaves behind a redirect. This is so when a page in the mainspace is moved people going to the old location are automatically taken to the right place. If you archive your page but don't change the redirect, people will end up here instead of your talk page. So it'd be like you never archived it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::How? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 07:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::How do you change it? When you've moved the page and it says "This page has been moved to that page. A redirect has been created." click on the link leading back to the original page, which is set up to ''not'' follow the redirect. Then edit it as normal to remove the <nowiki>#REDIRECT</nowiki> and the redirect will go away. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::OK, now do i copy everything on this page and paste it back on the original, and delete the comments i don't like back here? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Now you just start using your talk page instead of an archive. New comments go on your talk page. And no, you cannot delete comments from an archive either. This page can just stay as it is. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Now I get it. Thanks! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

==Creating==
I tryed to create a usertag but it didn't work. I did evrything right, i thought. Why didn't it work?
<nowiki>{{User Template
|This user suspects that the "Dark Hero" in M14 will be
|Zekrom (Pokémon)
|Zekrom.
|644.png
|Dark
|White
|Dark
|White
}}
</nowiki>

it makes this:
|This user suspects that the "Dark Hero" in M14 will be
|Zekrom (Pokémon)
|Zekrom.
|644.png
|Dark
|White
|Dark
|White
}}
Plz help!!! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:It works fine actually, but it won't show up on talk pages. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 04:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I put it on my page and clicked preview, but it just made this long thing:

color}}; background: #{{White color}}; border-radius: 60px; -moz-border-radius: 60px; -webkit-border-radius: 60px; -khtml-border-radius: 60px; -icab-border-radius: 60px; -o-border-radius: 60px;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
style="background: #{{Dark

color}}; border-radius: 60px; -moz-border-radius: 60px; -webkit-border-radius: 60px; -khtml-border-radius: 60px; -icab-border-radius: 60px; -o-border-radius: 60px;" | [[Image:644.png

60px]] style="color: #{{Dark

color}}" | This user suspects that the "Dark Hero" in M14 will be
[[Zekrom (Pokémon)

Why?----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:Remove the newlines. It needs to all be on the same line. (i.e. copy the code from this page without going to the editing pane) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::I ended up getting the text "?Dark Hero?" through all this programming (if u want it on your page)
{{User Template||This user suspects that "Dark Hero"= Zekrom|Zekrom (Pokémon)|?Dark Hero?|644.png|Blue|Black }}
Hey, how do i make it into a template like User Template/User Dark Hero 644 ? Plz help!![[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Desukaan563/FirstArchive

2010-11-30T11:47:28Z

Desukaan563: /* Creating */

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== Talk pages and dates ==

Hi Desukaan563, and welcome to Bulbapedia. When writing on talk pages, please make sure to check the date of the comment you are replying to. In [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Weather_conditions&curid=14282&diff=1244354&oldid=1141432&rcid=1332635 this case], the original comment was left in 2007 (three years ago) and has likely been resolved already. As a general rule, we do not reply to comments more than six months old. For more information, see our {{bp|talk page}} policy. Happy editing. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== 649 ==

While it's true that there are 649 species of Pokémon, the sentence says "the '''other''' ### species of Pokémon", meaning all others ''besides'' Mew, which would be 648.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]])

== Autoconfirmed and Usertags ==

I'll answer [[User talk:Origamiguy|this]] here because some users get emails when their talk page is edited. You become autoconfirmed after making a number of mainspace edits and a certain time since you registered. I can't tell you the exact limits, just keep going with what you've already done. Custom usertags can be made by saving the code as a subpage in your userspace (i.e. at User:Desukaan563/whatever). You could start (once you are able to) by using an existing usertag as a base. Just remember to remove the category from it before you save. More information on usertags can be found {{bp|Usertags|here}}. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:36, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

==Yeesh==
Could you please change the color of your signature? That yellow is hard to read, and it hurts my eyes. >_< --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

'K. Liked yellow though 'cause it matches Desukaan's color scheme, but tan will do I guess. [[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563, with a Pokedex of +385]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 12:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Just updated it again thanks to GTS: ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563, with a Pokedex of +400]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

And again: ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== A minor quibble with your signature ==

Hi Desukaan. This is terribly minor, but a rule is a rule. Signatures are meant to be {{bp|signature policy#Signature_guidelines|80 characters or less}}; yours is currently 95. If you could shrink it down, that would be swell. Nice userpage by the way - even though my prized Tyranitar is "virtually worthless". :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Got it! Oh, sorry about Tyranitar, but don't pay attention to accessorized value,as it is not that important, but I'll bet his normal value is fin. Besides, only event guys are super rare, plus legends are more valuable, but you could ignore that, and drop the value scale by 50 points for each ranking. It's mainly used for legendary, plus you could drop the bonuses and drop each rating on the scale by 50. Oh, I am having trouble designing my page, but I will figure it out... maybe ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 10:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC) Oh, how long is my signature now (I keep counting but losing track)???
:Microsoft Word says 76. You're in the clear. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Great! I made a few minor updates with the value system. Hope this makes me famous over Pokémon fandom! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 05:40, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Userspace limits==
Hi. I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot recently. Please don't do it any more, though. Bulbapedia's {{bp|Userspace policy}} restricts the amount you can edit your userpage: no more than three edits per day. This policy was instated to prevent strain on our server, and also to promote people helping out in the {{bp|mainspace}}. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so help us out by contributing to some articles before coming back to your personal userpage. The more often you edit in the mainspace, the more you will be allowed to edit your userpage. Thanks! --[[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 11:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

==Talk Page Comments==
Removing talk page comments, including the initial welcome template, is prohibited per Bulbapedia's {{bp|talk page|talk page policy}}. Please do not remove any comments in the future. If you wish to clean old comments away, you should archive your talk page instead. Thank you! ----[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 04:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== "Breaking the wiki" ==

Hi Desukaan. On your user page, you've been edit warring with people (including myself) and adding back links to pages that do not exist. Please ''do not'' link to made-up trainer classes or locations, as these go on the [[Special:WantedPages|list of wanted pages]]. This list should be kept for valid pages only. You will have to use real pages, or alt-text links like the location link is now doing. If you continue to revert these changes, you may be put in the 'abuse' usergroup, and you will not be able to edit your page at all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

'k. Hey is there a way for me to link to a trainer class, but have a different name, cause i am having trouble deciding which trainer class to use. Oh, and it keeps changing my location to pokemon world, though my actual location link is supposed to be Mt. Silver. Could u make a thing for userpages that show how many edits you've made that day (and have them correspond to time zones cause i am in asia right now). ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:20, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=100&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Desukaan563&namespace=2&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 There you go] You've already made 5 edits which is 2 too many. We go by server time. So, if the server says you made 5 edits on November 29th, then you made 5 edits and have gone over the limit of 3. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember the clock at the top by your username is server time, so you can compare that to your time to figure out the difference. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::<s>Oh, I created a page for DS download play, but it is a stub i am afraid (there's not much to write, only one page that i know of links to it). Am i allowed to put the stub tag on it, or is that for admins only?</s> Oh, one more thing, i still don't understand the archive your talk page thing. Where do i move it? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::::Wait never mind that stub thing. It got deleted for being to short (even for a stub). ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::You can theoretically move it anywhere you want provided it stays in your user talkspace. Most people go for something simple like ''User talk:Desukaan563/Archive1'' [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wait, so i create a page, move this to it? Is that how lots of people have so many pages like sandbox, etc.? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::[[Bulbapedia:Talk_page#My_user_talk_page|Follow these instructions]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::OK. It doesn't link to my userpage, though, but i think i did it right... ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:44, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yep. Don't forget to change the redirect left behind when you move it to a regular link though. ;) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::What do u mean? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::When you move a page it leaves behind a redirect. This is so when a page in the mainspace is moved people going to the old location are automatically taken to the right place. If you archive your page but don't change the redirect, people will end up here instead of your talk page. So it'd be like you never archived it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::How? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 07:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::How do you change it? When you've moved the page and it says "This page has been moved to that page. A redirect has been created." click on the link leading back to the original page, which is set up to ''not'' follow the redirect. Then edit it as normal to remove the <nowiki>#REDIRECT</nowiki> and the redirect will go away. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::OK, now do i copy everything on this page and paste it back on the original, and delete the comments i don't like back here? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Now you just start using your talk page instead of an archive. New comments go on your talk page. And no, you cannot delete comments from an archive either. This page can just stay as it is. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Now I get it. Thanks! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

==Creating==
I tryed to create a usertag but it didn't work. I did evrything right, i thought. Why didn't it work?
<nowiki>{{User Template
|This user suspects that the "Dark Hero" in M14 will be
|Zekrom (Pokémon)
|Zekrom.
|644.png
|Dark
|White
|Dark
|White
}}
</nowiki>

it makes this:
|This user suspects that the "Dark Hero" in M14 will be
|Zekrom (Pokémon)
|Zekrom.
|644.png
|Dark
|White
|Dark
|White
}}
Plz help!!! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:It works fine actually, but it won't show up on talk pages. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 04:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I put it on my page and clicked preview, but it just made this long thing:

color}}; background: #{{White color}}; border-radius: 60px; -moz-border-radius: 60px; -webkit-border-radius: 60px; -khtml-border-radius: 60px; -icab-border-radius: 60px; -o-border-radius: 60px;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
style="background: #{{Dark

color}}; border-radius: 60px; -moz-border-radius: 60px; -webkit-border-radius: 60px; -khtml-border-radius: 60px; -icab-border-radius: 60px; -o-border-radius: 60px;" | [[Image:644.png

60px]] style="color: #{{Dark

color}}" | This user suspects that the "Dark Hero" in M14 will be
[[Zekrom (Pokémon)

Why?----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:Remove the newlines. It needs to all be on the same line. (i.e. copy the code from this page without going to the editing pane) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::I ended up getting the text "?Dark Hero?" through all this programming (if u want it on your page)
{{User Template||This user suspects that "Dark Hero"= Zekrom|Zekrom (Pokémon)|?Dark Hero?|644.png|Blue|Black }}
Hey, how do i make it into a template like User Template/User Dark Hero 644 ? Plz help!!!
----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Desukaan563/User ?Dark Hero?

2010-11-30T09:54:50Z

Desukaan563: Created page with "{{User Template||This user suspects that "Dark Hero"= Zekrom|http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/14th_movie_title_confirmed |???Dark Hero???|644.png|Blue|Black }}"

{{User Template||This user suspects that "Dark Hero"= Zekrom|http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/14th_movie_title_confirmed |???Dark Hero???|644.png|Blue|Black }}

User:Desukaan563

2010-11-30T09:14:17Z

Desukaan563: Fixing a broken link

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{{User Favorite Legendary|491|Darkrai}}
{{User Computer}}
{{User Template||This user suspects that "Dark Hero"= Zekrom|http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/14th_movie_title_confirmed |???Dark Hero???|644.png|Blue|Black }}
{{User Sleep}}
Yawn...
{{User Nuisance}}
{{User Template||This user suspects that "Dark Hero"= Zekrom|Furret (Pokémon)|This user is extremely flexible|162.png|Dark|f4e3fa}}
{{User TMphobia}}
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{{User Template||This user suspects that "Dark Hero"= Zekrom|Wii|This user owns a Wii|Wii.png|Blue|f4e3fa}}
{{User BW}}
{{User Usertags}}
Just warning y'll!

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{{User Smart}}
and
{{User Smart Condition|065}}
Because (no offense)...
{{User Glasses}}
and
{{User Wears Shorts}}
also because
{{User Favorite Music|441.png|Classical|classical|music}}
as well as the fact that
{{User Insane}}

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{{User Dex}}
{{User Super Smash Bros. Brawl}}
Take a moment to ponder the below:
{{User:Origamiguy/Prizes/Tag Below}}
{{User:Origamiguy/Prizes/Tag Above}}

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{{User Favorite Move|491|Dark Void|Dark}}
{{User Professor}}
{{User Heartgold}}
''My friend code for it is'' '''4898 8522 7143'''
{{User Pokéwalker}}
Well, I don't take it in the pool...
{{User Swim}}
{{User Legendary|150}}
{{User Defeated Red}}
{{User Pokéathlete}}
{{User No Cheating}}
{{User Dex Count|more than 440|more than 440|his}}
{{User Ruby}}
{{User Mystery Dungeon Red}}
{{User Firefox}}
{{User Pet|dog}}
a Bichon Frise[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bichon_Frise]named Snowball.
{{User Slacker}}
{{User Favorite Ability|292|Wonder Guard}}
{{User Season|586S|summer}}
{{User TV|Phineas and Ferb}}
and (I can't decide)
{{User TV|Johnny Test}}
{{User Male|381}}
{{User Shy}}
{{User Single}}
{{User Invisible}}
No one ever seems to notice me (especially girls):-(!!!
And because of that
{{User Loner}}
{{User Christian|493}}
{{User Snow}}
It almost never snows where I live... that's why I like it so.
{{User Salty}}
{{User Ketchup}}
Mmmm...
{{User Project Shipping}}
{{User Wi-Fi}}
{{User Robot|649}}
{{User Birthday|April 5}}

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{{User Wish}}
{{User Big Changes}}
Sigh...

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Now... for the in-jokes (some won't get them):
{{User Sandiego}}
{{User Frizzle}}
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Hi! I'm [[File:Ani201ODM.png]][[File:Ani201OD.png]][[File:Ani201ODT.png]][[File:Ani201ODT.png]][[File:Ani201ODH.png]][[File:Ani201ODE.png]][[File:Ani201ODW.png]] /Desukaan563 and I have a Pokédex of +440, and, thanks to the GTS, and Safari Zone, normally have as many in my obtained as in my seen, in Pokémon Heartgold version. I have completed my Johto dex (with the exception of Celebi) including Mew. I love Pokemon games, and also own Pokémon Ruby (but it doesn't save, so I am going to get it fixed). Some of my most used (many having had the Pokérus in the past) Pokémon are: a Lv. 100 Leaf Crown Darkrai, a Lv. +80 Mewtwo, another Mewtwo I got of the GTS (named Genesis), a Lv. 100 Mew (got of the GTS for a Blissey ♀, I think he is hacked >_<), a Lv. 100 FE Manaphy, and some other great guys! I have also been working on leveling up my new 10th Anniversary of GS event FE Leave Crown Mew. I'm very interested (though quite disappointed) in the new Pokémon Generation V! I also like Smash Bros. Brawl for Wii (which I own)! I would trade '''dearly''' for a Celebi, Shiny Pichu (I have one I got off the GTS, but he doesn't activate anything), Arceus (a real one, not hacked), Chimchar-evolutionary-line, Treecko-evolutionary-line, or Deoxys (though I don't want the last three that bad).

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Here is a creation of mine that I am very proud of: a Value formula for Pokémon (needs calculator). It has Value and Accessorized Value, which is not that important, it's only if your Pokémon has loads of ribbons etc. And, if you want, drop the legendary status, and drop the scale of ratings by 50, if you want.

Desukaan563's Uniform Pokémon Value formula:

Legendary (0, if not, 25 if debatable e.g. Phione, 50 if undisputed)

Shininess (0 if not, 25 if hacked non-legend, 45 if hacked legend, 50 if non-legendary, 100
if '''legitimately''' shiny legendary)

Rarity (5 if common, 15 is fairly common, 25 evolved only, 45 if pretty rare, 60 if legendary, 75 if version mascot, 100 if event only or only obtained from event such as Surfing Pikachu)

Level (round to nearest 10)

Bonuses:
*Alternative forms add +10 Bonus points; Alternative forms only accessible through certain items/version exclusive are +15 Bonus instead.
*If they have in-game affects, in your game and its counterparts, add +10, if effects in multiple versions & counterparts (Such as Heartgold and Platinum, Diamond) add +15 points and 10 Bonus instead.
*If hacked, -50 points, however, if not otherwise obtainable without event, -35 points instead.
*Knowing its signature move(s) adds +25 to value.
*Legitimately knowing a move otherwise not normally learned (not including moves passed down through breeding) adds +25.
*For every Shiny Leaf obtained, add +10 points. Shiny Leaves are available and can be turned into Leaf Crowns (which is worth 75 points instead of the normal 50 points for 5 Shiny Leaves) only in Heartgold and Soulsilver.
*Having a legit Cherish/Premier Ball adds +35 points, a Classical Ribbon is +25 but prevents trading (legit non-tradable adds +15 Bonus points), and a Premier ribbon adds +45 points.
*Contest Ribbons add 10, 20, 30, and then 50 Bonus points (Depending on highest rank, Normal Rank, Super/Great Rank, Hyper/Ultra Rank, and Master Rank, respectively) and a Champion Ribbon, Sinnoh Champ ribbon, and Legend Ribbon are worth +40 Bonus Points, plus +25 points, each. *Each Battle Tower ribbon is worth +10 Bonus points, and getting the world Ability Ribbon adds an additional 25 Bonus points and 25 points.
*Weekday Ribbons are worth 5 Bonus points each, and the Footprint Ribbon is worth 15 Bonus points, and 10 points (due to being available only in DPPt), the Effort Ribbon is worth 15 Bonus points and 5 points. Tournament Ribbons are worth 45 Bonus points and 15 points amd the Gorgeous Ribbon is 25 Bonus points, and 10 points; Royal Ribbon is 35 Bonus points and 20 points. Gorgeous Royal Ribbon is worth 50 Bonus points and 35 points. Other Ribbons are worth 5 Bonus points.
*A Pokémon that is not event exclusive but was obtained through events is +25 points.
*Some Pokémon are not allowed in the Battle Frontier due to their superior abilities. +25 Bonus and +20 points

Value
Add normal points up.
*+300= Extremely Valuable
*+275= Valuable
*+250= Pretty Valuable
*+200= Fairly Valuable
*+150= Average.

Accessorized Value:
Add the special points up.
Add that to the normal points total.

*+400= Extremely Valuable
*+300= Valuable
*+275= Pretty Valuable
*+250= Fairly Valuable
*+200= Above Average
*-200= Average

'''Check back soon, for I am coming up with a Battle Value formula!!!'''

User talk:Desukaan563/FirstArchive

2010-11-30T08:38:16Z

Desukaan563: /* "Breaking the wiki" */

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== Talk pages and dates ==

Hi Desukaan563, and welcome to Bulbapedia. When writing on talk pages, please make sure to check the date of the comment you are replying to. In [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Weather_conditions&curid=14282&diff=1244354&oldid=1141432&rcid=1332635 this case], the original comment was left in 2007 (three years ago) and has likely been resolved already. As a general rule, we do not reply to comments more than six months old. For more information, see our {{bp|talk page}} policy. Happy editing. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== 649 ==

While it's true that there are 649 species of Pokémon, the sentence says "the '''other''' ### species of Pokémon", meaning all others ''besides'' Mew, which would be 648.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]])

== Autoconfirmed and Usertags ==

I'll answer [[User talk:Origamiguy|this]] here because some users get emails when their talk page is edited. You become autoconfirmed after making a number of mainspace edits and a certain time since you registered. I can't tell you the exact limits, just keep going with what you've already done. Custom usertags can be made by saving the code as a subpage in your userspace (i.e. at User:Desukaan563/whatever). You could start (once you are able to) by using an existing usertag as a base. Just remember to remove the category from it before you save. More information on usertags can be found {{bp|Usertags|here}}. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:36, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

==Yeesh==
Could you please change the color of your signature? That yellow is hard to read, and it hurts my eyes. >_< --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

'K. Liked yellow though 'cause it matches Desukaan's color scheme, but tan will do I guess. [[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563, with a Pokedex of +385]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 12:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Just updated it again thanks to GTS: ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563, with a Pokedex of +400]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

And again: ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== A minor quibble with your signature ==

Hi Desukaan. This is terribly minor, but a rule is a rule. Signatures are meant to be {{bp|signature policy#Signature_guidelines|80 characters or less}}; yours is currently 95. If you could shrink it down, that would be swell. Nice userpage by the way - even though my prized Tyranitar is "virtually worthless". :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Got it! Oh, sorry about Tyranitar, but don't pay attention to accessorized value,as it is not that important, but I'll bet his normal value is fin. Besides, only event guys are super rare, plus legends are more valuable, but you could ignore that, and drop the value scale by 50 points for each ranking. It's mainly used for legendary, plus you could drop the bonuses and drop each rating on the scale by 50. Oh, I am having trouble designing my page, but I will figure it out... maybe ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 10:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC) Oh, how long is my signature now (I keep counting but losing track)???
:Microsoft Word says 76. You're in the clear. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Great! I made a few minor updates with the value system. Hope this makes me famous over Pokémon fandom! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 05:40, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Userspace limits==
Hi. I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot recently. Please don't do it any more, though. Bulbapedia's {{bp|Userspace policy}} restricts the amount you can edit your userpage: no more than three edits per day. This policy was instated to prevent strain on our server, and also to promote people helping out in the {{bp|mainspace}}. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so help us out by contributing to some articles before coming back to your personal userpage. The more often you edit in the mainspace, the more you will be allowed to edit your userpage. Thanks! --[[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 11:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

==Talk Page Comments==
Removing talk page comments, including the initial welcome template, is prohibited per Bulbapedia's {{bp|talk page|talk page policy}}. Please do not remove any comments in the future. If you wish to clean old comments away, you should archive your talk page instead. Thank you! ----[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 04:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== "Breaking the wiki" ==

Hi Desukaan. On your user page, you've been edit warring with people (including myself) and adding back links to pages that do not exist. Please ''do not'' link to made-up trainer classes or locations, as these go on the [[Special:WantedPages|list of wanted pages]]. This list should be kept for valid pages only. You will have to use real pages, or alt-text links like the location link is now doing. If you continue to revert these changes, you may be put in the 'abuse' usergroup, and you will not be able to edit your page at all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

'k. Hey is there a way for me to link to a trainer class, but have a different name, cause i am having trouble deciding which trainer class to use. Oh, and it keeps changing my location to pokemon world, though my actual location link is supposed to be Mt. Silver. Could u make a thing for userpages that show how many edits you've made that day (and have them correspond to time zones cause i am in asia right now). ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:20, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=100&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Desukaan563&namespace=2&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 There you go] You've already made 5 edits which is 2 too many. We go by server time. So, if the server says you made 5 edits on November 29th, then you made 5 edits and have gone over the limit of 3. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember the clock at the top by your username is server time, so you can compare that to your time to figure out the difference. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::<s>Oh, I created a page for DS download play, but it is a stub i am afraid (there's not much to write, only one page that i know of links to it). Am i allowed to put the stub tag on it, or is that for admins only?</s> Oh, one more thing, i still don't understand the archive your talk page thing. Where do i move it? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::::Wait never mind that stub thing. It got deleted for being to short (even for a stub). ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::You can theoretically move it anywhere you want provided it stays in your user talkspace. Most people go for something simple like ''User talk:Desukaan563/Archive1'' [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wait, so i create a page, move this to it? Is that how lots of people have so many pages like sandbox, etc.? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::[[Bulbapedia:Talk_page#My_user_talk_page|Follow these instructions]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::OK. It doesn't link to my userpage, though, but i think i did it right... ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:44, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yep. Don't forget to change the redirect left behind when you move it to a regular link though. ;) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::What do u mean? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::When you move a page it leaves behind a redirect. This is so when a page in the mainspace is moved people going to the old location are automatically taken to the right place. If you archive your page but don't change the redirect, people will end up here instead of your talk page. So it'd be like you never archived it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::How? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 07:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::How do you change it? When you've moved the page and it says "This page has been moved to that page. A redirect has been created." click on the link leading back to the original page, which is set up to ''not'' follow the redirect. Then edit it as normal to remove the <nowiki>#REDIRECT</nowiki> and the redirect will go away. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::OK, now do i copy everything on this page and paste it back on the original, and delete the comments i don't like back here? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Now you just start using your talk page instead of an archive. New comments go on your talk page. And no, you cannot delete comments from an archive either. This page can just stay as it is. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Now I get it. Thanks! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

==Creating==
I tryed to create a usertag but it didn't work. I did evrything right, i thought. Why didn't it work?
<nowiki>{{User Template
|This user suspects that the "Dark Hero" in M14 will be
|Zekrom (Pokémon)
|Zekrom.
|644.png
|Dark
|White
|Dark
|White
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</nowiki>

it makes this:
|This user suspects that the "Dark Hero" in M14 will be
|Zekrom (Pokémon)
|Zekrom.
|644.png
|Dark
|White
|Dark
|White
}}
Plz help!!! ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 04:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:It works fine actually, but it won't show up on talk pages. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 04:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I put it on my page and clicked preview, but it just made this long thing:

color}}; background: #{{White color}}; border-radius: 60px; -moz-border-radius: 60px; -webkit-border-radius: 60px; -khtml-border-radius: 60px; -icab-border-radius: 60px; -o-border-radius: 60px;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
style="background: #{{Dark

color}}; border-radius: 60px; -moz-border-radius: 60px; -webkit-border-radius: 60px; -khtml-border-radius: 60px; -icab-border-radius: 60px; -o-border-radius: 60px;" | [[Image:644.png

60px]] style="color: #{{Dark

color}}" | This user suspects that the "Dark Hero" in M14 will be
[[Zekrom (Pokémon)

Why?----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 06:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:Remove the newlines. It needs to all be on the same line. (i.e. copy the code from this page without going to the editing pane) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::I ended up getting the text "?Dark Hero?" through all this programming (if u want it on your page)
{{User Template||This user suspects that "Dark Hero"= Zekrom|Zekrom (Pokémon)|?Dark Hero?|644.png|Blue|Black }}
Hey for a Template could it be {{User Desukaan563/User ?Dark Hero?}} or how does that work?----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 07:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)