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Talk:Pokémon X and Y

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== Titles missing "Version"? ==
Do the titles include "version" this time? I'm not seeing it on the official site or the trailer. I think they're just called Pokemon X and Pokemon Y now. [[User:Hheebo|Hheebo]] ([[User talk:Hheebo|talk]]) 14:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon X and Y "Versions"? ==

Is it right to be calling them Pokemon X Version and Pokemon Y version? Unlike previous games Nintendo hasn't used the word "version" when referring to them by name, just calling them Pokemon X and Pokemon Y rather than, to use the most recent example, "Pokemon Black Version 2" and "Pokemon White Version 2". The logos don't contain the word "version" either. I think they should simply be referred to as Pokemon X and Y.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Hheebo. Delete if necessary.
[[User:NFreak007|NFreak007]] ([[User talk:NFreak007|talk]]) 14:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

:I second this. "Versions" hasn't been mentioned at all, nor are contained in the logos. If "Versions" were in the title, there's usually a habit of saying it every time the game title comes up. It's misleading to list the article as it being called "X and Y ''Versions''" if there really isn't any facts backing that up. --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 16:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thirded. It should be [[Pokémon X and Y]], as I stated on [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2]]'s trivia section. Please rename this page and change this article and the Generation VI one accordingly. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Fourthed. Every other main series entry has had "version" on it, this is different in all languages. This should be reflected in the title of the page. {{unsigned|NP Chilla}}
::::[http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PokemonXY8-1024x640.jpg Here]. Enjoy. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::That seems to be a screenshot from Nintendo3DS's video. The official Pokémon channel uploaded the same trailer, and they don't use the word Version, and they're strict with that word, putting it in all Black Version 1 and White Version 1 videos. [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 19:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::The same video is also on Pokemon.com, without the word "Version." I fifth the notion that it should be struck from here, because it doesn't appear to be in any official media. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 02:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to move it to [[Pokémon X and Y]], 'cause it doesn't even say the name "version" in the title. In previous games, the official sources have said "Pokémon [title] Version" only if it has the word "version in the logo. These games are different, they don't have "version" in the title at all, so I really wouldn't see any reason to have it titled "Pokémon X and Y Versions".—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 10:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I would like to agree with the page move as well, but I really can't say until there is more usage of just "Pokemon X and Y" an not "Pokemon X version and Pokemon Y version". I am undecided since I've seen Pokémon Direct recordings with the word "version" in it (like in the picture posted by Masatoshi), but everything else points to just calling it [[Pokémon X and Y]]. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 23:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:The official press release repeatedly lists the trademarked titles as ''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' and never uses the term "Version." Excerpt: "''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' will be the blueprint for an exciting array of new animation, Pokémon TCG, and toys debuting around the world."
:In all of their press releases for other games in the series they use "Version," for example this excerpt from the B2W2 press release: "The successors to the acclaimed ''Pokémon Black Version'' and ''Pokémon White Version'' games, ''Pokémon Black Version 2'' and ''Pokémon White Version 2''..."
:So it seems pretty obvious that it should be moved to "Pokémon X and Y."[[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] ([[User talk:AmaranthSparrow|talk]]) 21:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Heck, even Pokémon.com reads "''An all-new 3D Pokémon adventure packed with never-before-seen Pokémon will launch worldwide in October 2013. '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y''' will present a new generation of Pokémon, and introduce players to an exciting new adventure in a breathtaking 3D world.''" Could an admin PLEASE hurry up and move the name of this page? [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 23:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::By moving the page, not only would {{template|v}}, {{template|2v}}, {{template|2v2}}, and {{template|game}} have to be edited (besides the fact that they are all massively used) but [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y_Versions&limit=500 every single page] that links here would also have to be edited. There's also {{template|PokémonInfobox}}, which is only used on '''over 650 pages'''. Templates on the Archives would also have to be changed. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::I'm against moving this page, at the very least until further information is available. "Version" is part of what separates the main series for games like Stadium, XD, and the like. Furthermore, there is at least some evidence that these games are still titled "X Version" and "Y Version" as seen in the picture Masa posted. It seems to me like the company is merely advertising the game in this manner because this is how the fandom always refers to the games, that is, without the word "version". Furthermore, this is probably simpler since it saves them the trouble of having to write "version" in several different languages all at once (remember, this is getting an instant worldwide release, and "Pokemon" is pretty universal while "version" isn't). We should at least wait a while before moving the page, and then having to move it back again. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 23:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Just to clarify, Masatoshi's image wasn't official; the official trailer doesn't have that banner on it, nor refers to them at all as having "Versions". As for the templates, they don't appear hard to edit in a change if you use "if switches". --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 00:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::Just to clarify, "#if:" switches work differently than "#switch:"es. Don't worry though, it'll only cause the servers to fail like when {{template|roundy}} used them.--[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::His image was official. [http://www.nintendo.nl/Divers/Nintendo-Direct/Laatstse-Nintendo-Direct/Nintendo-Direct-698557.html This] is official straight from Nintendo's website. It says "version". This is why I am sort of reserving a conclusion and doing a wait and see. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 02:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:Where? From what I can see, it calls them Polémon X (lol, presumably a typo) and Pokémon Y. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 03:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::'''The video.''' --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Seems more likely to be some sort of mistake, given that the other videos don't feature that and the press release specifically omits the word. Anyway, I have contacted Nintendo regarding the title of the games, and will wait to see what they have to say about it. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/Nintendo-Direct/2013/Pokemon-Direct-08-01-2013/Nintendo-Direct-699626.html What about the Nintendo's UK website?] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::All of the official Nintendo websites, including even the Pokémon website clearly state it as '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y'''. There is '''no''' official Nintendo website that calls them "Pokémon X Version" and "Pokémon Y Version".—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 08:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::The point is that in the official Pokémon Direct announcement it is present. Every other main series game has it, and in the official announcement (which is on official Nintendo websites) it uses it. Until we get boxart, we should follow what we have been given. It is very commonplace to drop "version" when talking about the titles (Iwata did it himself in the Pokémon Direct video, while "version" was shown on the screen). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:Okay, [http://i.imgur.com/9ANSo.png Nintendo got back to me]. According to them, it's just "Pokémon X" and "Pokémon Y", and they go on to mention that whatever the website says is the "current" and most up-to-date official source. (and I must say, I'm impressed with how quickly they responded :p). --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 13:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::Then they forgot to remove the Version thing in the video. This seems solid enough for us. We would be moving this page to '''[[Pokémon X and Y]]''' and doing all necessary changes soon (not before letting the rest of the staff know). [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 14:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Upon further discussion, we decided to put the moving on hold until we make sure of some stuff related to TPCi. It's still strange that after 15 years, they decide to drop "Version" just like that. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Aww, can't you please move the page already? It's already been confirmed by Nintendo that it's called simply '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y''', it even says that in the official '''logos''' of the trailer and official website of http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ that it's only called Pokémon X and Pokémon Y. What do you think? Do you really think it's going to change just to the way you think it's going to be? I'm afraid you're just not used to change, and I understand it takes us a while to adapt to change. ^^—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 04:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::It has nothing to do with being afraid of change. We needed to be absolutely sure, which is why they've put it off so far. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::I'm sure we have had plenty of proof that it is simply Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, having known that http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ is an '''official source''' that comes from the '''official''' Pokémon website. That website alone is enough to make you absolutely sure that it really is '''official'''. ;) —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 14:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

==New region==
In this article it states that the new region is likely based off of France but the [[Generation VI]] page says it draws inspiration from various points within Europe. The pages should be more consistent and more neutral about the subject. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 14:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
* The Nintendo Direct Trailer begins with Pikachu atop the Eiffel Tower. Unova draws from inspirations outside of the strict real world New York; it's not conflicting to say it's both based on France and draws inspiration from the rest of Europe.

== Trivia to be added, I believe... ==

A bit of trivia to be added:
*These are the first main series games to have letters in the title rather than color names.
*The game titles may be named after the X and Y axes of the [[wp:Cartesian coordinate system|Cartesian coordinations]]. ~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 10:04, 8 January, 2013 (UTC)
:Given that the Japanese logos clearly have DNA helixes in them, I think it's safe to say that they were going for genetics. Not coordinates. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 15:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why not both? --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 15:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Because the Japanese logos have DNA helixes in them so they are standing for genetics, not coordinates. It was made pretty clear by Jo. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
They're obviously named after the x and y chromosomes, not coordinates. [[User:Munlax|Munlax]] ([[User talk:Munlax|talk]]) 17:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Could it not be a double meaning? [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::And what makes you think it's coordinates? For all I know, we could also use algebraic expressions. So far, Jo's bet is the safest. Since it has helixes that resemble a DNA string, it's unlikely to have been based in coordinates. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::It's obviously based on Genetics, but Gamefreak and Nintendo love puns. X axis and Y axis. If the third legendary forms a Z shape, then I think it's safe to say that it's also partially a stealth 3DS pun --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why would it be based off coordinates anyway? It makes more sense to have them based off genetics seeming as you breed Pokemon in the game. And no, it has been said numerous times: The Japanese logos have '''DNA''' helixes in them. End of story. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::That doesn't really discount the other reasoning. You may notice the logo is also in 3D text (which they've never done for a logo before), which would indicate to me that they're going for a double entendre with the titles. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I thought it was to do with the buttons on the DS and 3DS consoles, shows what I know...[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 20:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
More trivia for your perusal: They'll be the first main series games to be released simultaneously worldwide, and "Pokemon X" was the original name for both Lugia and Pokemon Crystal. '''[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]]''' 22:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I agree about the released simultaneously worldwide as I was planning to suggest that myself. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::I don't think that the genetic base is so obvious, that thing in the logo can mean a lot of things. Also the coordinates reasoning in the first 3-'''dimentional''' game on a '''3D'''S is supported by the fact that Yveltal is flying while Xerneas is on the ground, like the axes. Can't be a coincidence. However save this geneticVSgeometic debate til we know if there is any Z Pokemon. It would kill the genetic theory and support the coordinates one. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:22, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::The fact that one flies and the other one roams the land does not mean they are based in coordinates or spacial axes, it CAN be a coincidence. The DNA string is heavily implied in the Japanese logo and supports the theory, while the axial theory only has a "What if the third version is Z?" as its support, and the fact that Xerneas runs horizontally (Even diagonally when it jumps!) and Yveltal flies (although horizontally, vertically, diagonally, you name it). [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 20:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::They would have been pretty stupid if they made them able to move only horizontally or vertically, and unable to jump. What kind of argument is that? The point is that the X axis on a graph goes across, the Y axis goes up, and is the Y Pokemon that flies, while the X pokemon is on the ground, not the opposite. However, ''as I said'', we should wait. I'm not saying that the coordinates theory is the right one (well, that's my intuition), but I don't think you have any proof to say for sure that they're related to chromosomes either, except a small low definition detail on the logo that could be anything. I can totally see a Z pokemon related to stereo3D coming. It's almost impossible that they'll do nothing to use the 3D function of the console. —[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

==Based off France?==
To suggest the region will 'likely' be based on France seems to be speculation of the sort that the banner of the top forbids, Tokyo also has a structure like the Eiffel Tower. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:The streets have an European-like setting; Pikachu spread his message from a location that seemed to be the same as France; that tower looks like the Eiffel Tower and it seems to use gray instead of white and red. While it's not confirmed, it is plausible that the region might be based in France. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::While it seems plausible, even likely. Isn't it still speculation? And why the entire region, rather than that particular city (I don't recall France having a desert, for example)? Castelia City in Black and White is said to be based off New York, yet the entire region isn't said to be based on the USA. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::There's a big difference between the USA and France, the US is a massive country (in terms of size and little would be explored, if not ignoring plenty of cities). I for one think it ''may'' be based in Europe, but that city, along with that picture with the bridge remind me of the {{wp|Palace of Versailles}}. Most people seem to agree it might be based in Europe/France, so for the time being, we'll leave it like this. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Pikachu's pretty clearly shown on the Eiffel Tower, in a country in the general location that everyone expects France to be. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 18:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Regardless it is very blatant '''speculation''', of which this encyclopaedia has clearly warned it's editors of avoiding. Popular agreement is '''NOT''' ''"confirmation by a reliable source"''. What's the point in that rule, if your so keen on breaking it? [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 18:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I do agree that it's speculation right now. It's like when everybody put Kyurem as the third member of the Tao trio before it was confirmed, despite them arguing tooth and nail and out right refusing to allow Giratina to be stated as the third member of the Dragon trio before Platinum came out [[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Exactly. It's really inconsistent. As an admin, it seems as if Masatoshi is going for a 'do as I say, not as I do'. You can't rule 'no speculation', then allow a piece that you favour, or personally find convincing.
:::::Even if the Eiffel Tower could be considered more than speculation, how do we arrive at the fact the WHOLE region is based on France?.. It's conjecture after conjecture... [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 01:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::In the trailer, Pikachu is seen on top of the Eiffel Tower. Literally. The camera zooms out and shows it in France. Saying the region is based on France is less of speculation, and more of an observation giving readers some idea what the region looks like. Rather than explaining every tiny little detail about the location, we can just blanket sweep it by saying, "It looks a lot like France." But obviously it's NOT France, cause Pokémon regions have almost never been real locations. (Sans Kanto. Kind of.) [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to forbid this from being posted for now until more conclusive proof is gathered by any means from official sources to verify this though it would be a very slim chance that any of this is true. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I should also point out that Junichi Masuda's current Twitter profile picture is him next to the Eiffel Tower and there is at least one message commenting on his trip to France. Possibly a coincidence, though it's hardly an argument against the region being based off France. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 02:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Texas has an Eiffel Tower. Japan has a Statue of Liberty too, but Japan isn't the first place you think of when you think of the Statue of Liberty, is it? Then don't even get me started on Las Vegas. Pikachu is in the real life France in the intro, the girl's attire seems very French to me personally, the Pokémon team went to France for "work related reasons". I don't really see anything pointing it away from France, and I'm done having this discussion. There are more important things to worry about. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::huh. didn't know france had a desert. that city is obviously based on paris, but i have doubts on the entire region being based on france alone. just my 2cents, i could be wrong, but hey, speculation is speculation ;) [[User:Tarilaan|Tarilaan]] ([[User talk:Tarilaan|talk]]) 11:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Pretty sure there's not a desert full of ancient ruins or mountain ranges in New York City, either, yet they're both in Unova. The game COULD be based in all of Europe, but so far we've only seen evidence of France. Saying the game "seems to be based on France" doesn't exclude the possibility of it also being based on other areas as well, in any case. --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] ([[User talk:ACDragonMaster|talk]]) 02:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:Europe is the safest assumption til the game is released and we can tell for sure if it's France or more. No reason to rush guys, we don't have enough information. Even if all we have seen is from France (it's not), it still doesn't mean that there won't be any Pisa Tower or Berlin Wall or Roman Coliseum (that I'd very much like) in another footage. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::Also the 2 legendaries "Xcalibur" and "Yvern" have a great European feeling more then French. –[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::Exactly, we don't have enough information, so why should we jump to "it seems to be based on Europe" from the get-go? If anything, all evidence points to France (Eiffel tower, Versailles, Pikachu's location, Masuda's trip, etc.) It's still speculation, however, one way or the other.[[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 08:02, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
:::France is in Europe. I think it's a safe assumption. —[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 10:17, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
::::The page says Europe. I am putting an end to this discussion on Bulbapedia. If you wish to speculate more on the subject, take it to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f693/ the forums]. Subsequent messages will be removed, and blocks may be handed out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 10:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Masuda himself said in a Q&A at E3 that the region is based off of France. [[User:KennyMc0294|KennyMc0294]] ([[User talk:KennyMc0294|talk]]) 0145, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

== Region is based in France ==

Besides the obvious Eiffel Tower reference, I found out that the buildings shown are reminiscent of Paris's type (which was forced as an official style there) and additionally, the place Pikachu is giving the conference is Paris.
I'm including the picture for future reference.
[http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/714858374.png?key=25601440&Expires=1357683885&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=cMmYD40-9pvM7rc2~DneFwveDyESiYlke9L7VLrKMgbxx17yzOX7SfaL0oLKZUA~kRH4KcIMGYHdMDnfQ35-hhN50gESVjsub7Jbcpfstq2AhsJnHXQVj36ktl~N5qZLf9cNqzq71xKIMedbWhyydovcNqw3jd~j6ylnFaxcxh4_]
--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 22:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:There's a section discussing that right above this one. Please join that conversation instead of starting a new section for the same thing. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Except South Korea ==

In the video, they only say "except select countries". --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Pokemon.com just confirmed the names of the mascots: Bambi is called Xerneas and Tweety is called Yveltal. http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 14:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Interwiki ==
Why don't you add the other lenguages? [http://wiki.pokemoncentral.it/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_e_Y Central Wiki], [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_und_Pok%C3%A9mon_Y PokéWiki], [http://poketeca.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_y_Y Pokéteca] ? --[[User:Zapdos96|Zapdos96]] ([[User talk:Zapdos96|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:Done. (Thanks for the reminder.) --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 18:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC) 

== Name origin ==

According to Japanese websites, the X and Y refer to the chromosomes --[[User:Ext|Ext]] ([[User talk:Ext|talk]]) 18:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:Link to the source please. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:38, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:[http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/6852422.html]here at comment #1154 talking about the logo showing DNA. Also here [http://pokemonxy.jp/news/20130108/pokemon_dna.html] read the article. The logo on the article should be updated. --[[User:Ext|Ext]] ([[User talk:Ext|talk]]) 13:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

== Error ==

It says "The first Pokémon '''to be released'''" when it should say "The first Pokémon '''revealed'''". —[[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 19:49, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Bolero Time ==
So are we going to completely ignore the fact that the male character is blatantly skating/roller-blading in the trailer?
Twenty-six seconds in to the trailer. I mean, this is new game-play right? I'm mentioning it here because I know if I just go ahead and put it in I'll get loads of "well he might be using Surf or something" complaints because for some reason it's only worth adding if an admin happens to like it. So yeah. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 22:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

== November 2, 2013 ==

Gamestop apparently lists the game's American release as Nov. 2nd, 2013? Is this true, and if so, wouldn't the article need to be updated to match it?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] ([[User talk:Darknesslover5000|talk]]) 05:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
:Gamestop usually lists a incorrect date before a game comes out, so I wouldn't worry about updating the page. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you. I can rest easy--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] ([[User talk:Darknesslover5000|talk]]) 05:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
:::No so much an incorrect date as their estimation. They have to make these estimations for the purposes of preorders. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

== RFE: Broken Link in Bulbanews box ==

The Bulbanews box currently gets the link wrong:

'''<nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki>''' links to [[:n:Category:Articles relating to Pokémon X and Y]] but the actual page is [[:n:Category:Articles relating to Pokémon X and Y Versions]].

It should be '''<nowiki>{{bulbanews|game|Pokémon X and Y Versions}}</nowiki>''' instead. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 19:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
:I've changed the category on Bulbanews. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:52, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

== Mewtwo's Awakened Form ==

A new, Mewtwo-esque Pokémon has been revealed. It needs to be added to this page.
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_YC0MXJ-0&list=PLQWzKIaERirwczLwQE6HegZyd4pYV5AwH
*http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/
[[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 23:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

It should be added on this page, but there isn't much anyone can write about it, as nothing is known except for the fact it's similar to Mewtwo. (Although in my opinion, I think it should just be noted with a photo about the new Pokemon in the Pokemon X and Y page and the Generation VI page). Btw, this new generation is totaly getting me pumped up for October! I know thats not a place to say that, but yea, just wanted to put that out there! LOL Hopefully new information will be available soon! :) PokeNerd 07:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's been added. Now we have to keep an eye out for its name... Maybe in the meantime we could just call it "New Mewtwo". [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 20:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:NO. Absolutely no speculating for now. We need to wait for an official name. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:21, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

While I agree 100% with no speculation, if the image is there, the presence of this new Mewtwo-like Pokemon and its role in the new movie should be mentioned under "New Pokemon", especially since I believe that would make it the first Gen VI Pokemon to appear in the anime. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

We should call it ?????????? for now. [[User:MewtwoForm2|MewtwoForm2]] ([[User talk:MewtwoForm2|talk]]) 23:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:We just need to wait. That's all I have to say regarding its name. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 23:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, leave it how it is! There is nothing further that anyone can tell at this time! Like I said above, they have only stated it shares similarities to Mewtwo and nothing else at this time! Naming it "??????????" is pointless, having a photo on the Pokemon X and Y page is just fine (how it is now). When more CONCRETE evidence is revealed, then a page should and will be made for the new Pokemon! Till then, lets just be amazed and in awe of this new Pokemon! :) PokeNerd 11:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

[[User:Poko10|Poko10]] ([[User talk:Poko10|talk]]) 10:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)PEOPLE i found a probable corocoro leak! It confirms that the new "mewtwo" IS a new forme. :D
*Same here, it's probably okay to label its box as "Mewtwo" or "New Mewtwo forme" at this point. [[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 14:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::[[n:CoroCoro reveals last week's unveiled Pokémon to be Forme of Mewtwo]] --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:45, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Not to speculate, but considering the movie's called Mewtwo's Awakening, and the form is described as Mewtwo awakening in its new form, I would say it's called "Awakened Form". But we should just wait for more info and add the artwork to the [[Mewtwo]] page. [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 15:57, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree we should probably wait for more information before we start naming things. [[User:Poko10|Poko10]] ([[User talk:Poko10|talk]]) 00:08, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
:When a name comes out, we'll add it, but this talkpage isn't the place to speculate about what it could be. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 00:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Now that its been confirmed as a new forme of Mewtwo, can that be officially added to the page and Mewtwo's page? Or should we wait? Demers-Vachon 01:45, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Why was the new Mewtwo picture removed in the recent update?
[[User:CrystalHalfBreed|CrystalHalfBreed]] ([[User talk:CrystalHalfBreed|talk]]) 19:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Because its been confirmed to be a new form and not a new Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:29, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we should make a new section for revealed forms of pokemon? Or place something in the screen shot section? It seems weird not to have any of this news anywhere on the page.
[[User:CrystalHalfBreed|CrystalHalfBreed]] ([[User talk:CrystalHalfBreed|talk]]) 15:51, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

== Possible Pokémon X and Y Release date ==

Hi! I'm new at this and I wanna share something to you all.

While I'm searching the web about Pokémon, I found a Wikipedia page titled ''2013 in video gaming'' and I was so excited to see a release date for ''Pokémon X and Y''. This maybe unofficial because I couldn't see any reference about the date. So here's the link: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_in_video_gaming#October.E2.80.93December 2013 in video gaming]

I hope this will help and also please reply... thank you! --[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|AwesomeDJPokemon]] ([[User talk:AwesomeDJPokemon|talk]]) 15:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

:From our article:

::"The paired versions will be released worldwide (except for select countries) on '''October 2013''' and will be available for both retail sale and download."

:It was announced in the first trailer I believe. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 15:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah, basically everyone has known the release date since the games were announced. I wonder where you have been for the past three months.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

::: Well, I knew that it was going to be released in October but I was talking about the exact '''date''' of the release. --[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|AwesomeDJPokemon]] ([[User talk:AwesomeDJPokemon|talk]]) 15:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: Oh, sorry. I didn't notice that there was '20' in the table. I'm sure it's just an assumption though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:52, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

:::::Thank you for noticing it! I just wanna contribute to you guys this and other information about the game and the franchise. --[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|AwesomeDJPokemon]] ([[User talk:AwesomeDJPokemon|talk]]) 16:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::Wikipedia is only reliable when a source is provided. I tracked down [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2013_in_video_gaming&diff=539765900&oldid=539723107 the edit which added the 20], and no source was provided. I have now removed that from the Wikipedia page. Thanks for pointing it out though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:51, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::: Just to let you know, the release date that says October 20th is back on that wikipedia page, I even called my game stores in my home town and all of them just have October 2013, no specific date. So whoever added that to wiki page, needs to A) remove it or B) provide a real source to where they got that release date from! PokeNerd 01:19, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::::The same user removed it later, so it's fine now. (Also, we really shouldn't use a Bulbapedia talk page to discuss a Wikipedia issue.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Lots of new Pokemon revealed, new region revealed, slight customization revealed, etc. etc. ETC! ==
Seriously, this is a news overload. We even have some info about the starters! Somebody, add all this! Especially the new Pokemon! We even have pages for them, now! {{unsigned|Poko907}}
:Please allow some time, we've been working hard to add and update in a timely manner. The new information will be added ASAP. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 15:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
:: It's on the page now! Awesome! {{unsigned|Poko907}}

== Boxes exist now ==

[[a:File:X EN boxart.png]] [[a:File:Y EN boxart.png]] can you stick these on--[[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

== Female player ==
We don't have ANY pictures of her official art, despite some pictures of her being on the official site. I was wondering why she isn't there, considering all of the new Pokemon, the region, a city, and more being added in. [[User:Poko907|Poko907]] ([[User talk:Poko907|talk]]) 21:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

The pictures on the official site ARE official art. [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 20:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

== Downloadable citation? ==

Where was it (first?) stated that X and Y will be downloadable titles from the eShop? Or is it just a rule now for 3DS games? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] ([[User talk:Johans|talk]]) 02:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Found it in history: http://www.famitsu.com/news/201301/08026993.html Maybe this needs citation, though. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] ([[User talk:Johans|talk]]) 02:48, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Disambiguation clarification ==

Shouldn't the article have some kind of introductory disambiguation statement situated somewhere at the article's beginning? Something like:

:''This article is about the game'' Pokémon X.'' For other referrals, see [[Pokémon X]].''
[[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 20:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
::There's no need. Searching [[Pokémon X]] already takes you to that page. There are no terms that redirect here that could be confused with other items on the disambiguation page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== Character Designs ==

The news overload continues... According to the Official Pokémon X and Y website, when you choose your gender, you have 3 different character designs to choose from. You can also change your outfit later on. [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 23:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

== Opposite Player ==
The PC you don't choose will appear sometime during the storyline, as shown in the trailer. Mystriously, she doesn't have her trademark hat. Maybe it's the same for the male PC, but we can't speculate on pages, so. {{Unsigned|Poko907}}
:When in which video were the male and female players shown in the same screen? -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 17:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
::[http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/may_supp_p3_5.jpg Here]. We're not adding it, though. We have zero information on the context of the scene and assuming that girl is opposite gender player character is pure speculation at this point. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
OK. [[User:Poko907|Poko907]] ([[User talk:Poko907|talk]]) 01:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

== Concept Art? Official? ==

[http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/05/Lumiose-City-scene-illustration.jpg]

I found this on IGN's article on new stuff from XY, It said concept art, is this official, if so shouldn't it make its way to the image gallery?

Also sorry, I have no idea how to make it smaller so I just put it as a link. Other wise it would have stretched the page. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:42, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
:I don't know if it would be classified as concept art, but it's real. It's used on the article for Lumiose City. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:25, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

== Ken Sugimori ==

I asked this on Helioptile's page as well, but no one answered, so here it goes:
Whenever a new Pokemon is released, as is the case with the 4 new Pokemon recently released, we get official artwork from them. But how do we know definitely that the artwork is always by Sugimori? Of course, it is his art style, but that's not so hard to mimic for a professional...
So how do we know? --[[User:Phoenixon|Phoenixon]] ([[User talk:Phoenixon|talk]]) 20:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
:We know that Sugimori always draws the Pokemon, so until we're told otherwise, it's pretty safe to assume. In fact, I'm pretty sure others have drawn artwork for player characters, or other characters, and we've been told that. Of course, it might also say it somewhere, but I never look at the places where the artwork is revealed. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 21:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== Noivern, Vivillon, and Pokémon-Amie ==

Don't forget to add them. [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 18:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Korean release date confirmed ==

It'll be [http://pokemonxy.pokemonkorea.co.kr/product.html October 12th, 2013] like the rest of the world (that's a first!) ... I'd add it myself, if the page was unlocked. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 03:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Possible player names ==

From the official website: [http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/june_p1_02.jpg] However, I'm not sure if these are 100% a confirmation, as back when Black and White were coming out Hilbert and Hilda were shown as "Blair" and "Whitley" in some screenshots. Should we start calling XY's players Xavier and Yvonne or play it safe for now? [[User:Reign|Reign]] ([[User talk:Reign|talk]]) 07:07, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:It's the same exact thing as Blair and Whitlea. We're playing it safe for the moment. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 08:14, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
::Righto then. On a related topic, apparently according to CoroCoro, their Japanese names are Callum (m) and Serena (f).[[User:Reign|Reign]] ([[User talk:Reign|talk]]) 00:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Callum and Serena are the names on the official site for the rivals. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 13:35, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Should we change the names of the "Hero" and "Heroine" to Calem and Serena? - {{u|Rockettitan7}}, 12:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

==Versions...again==

So this was already talked about earlier and the official artwork seems to confirm there is no version in the title. However, Nintendo's [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/130612/02.html E3 briefing] calls them X Version and Y Version. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:22, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:I think we're going to have to assume that's a mistake for now. We have box art and there is no "Version" on them. On Pokémon.com [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-and-pokemon-white-version/ all other games] say "Version" while [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-x-and-pokemon-y/ X and Y] don't. I think the best source we have is the box art, so until we get box art with "Version" we should just consider the titles to not contain "Version". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== Languages ==

Why has it not been added to the article that this is the first game to have all 7 languages in one cartridge? -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 12:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== June CoroCoro Pokemon ==

I can't help but notice that the 4 pokemon shown in June CoroCoro ([[Litleo]], [[Flabebe]], [[Scatterbug]], and [[Spewpa]]) have not been added to the list of X and Y Pokemon. Is that an oversight, or are no more pokemon being added their because of lack of room? --[[User:Senoel99|Senoel99]] ([[User talk:Senoel99|talk]]) 17:26, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== Characters needs to be updated ==

Can someone change Hero and Heroine to Calum and Serena (also those pages need to be created, but anyway), and add Shauna, Tierno, Trevor, Alexa, and Viola as well. Thanks.
[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 21:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Calum and Serena are the names of the rivals and Calum is your rival when you choose the female character and Serena is your rival when you play as the male character. [[User:KennyMc0294|KennyMc0294]] ([[User talk:KennyMc0294|talk]]) 01:37, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Calem and Serena are also the default names for the hero and heroine respectively. And yes, there should be Shauna, Tierno, etc. in the characters list. [[User:Functioning Blaziken|Functioning Blaziken]] ([[User talk:Functioning Blaziken|talk]]) 13:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== The image for spewpa ==

The image of spewpa is cut from the corocoro leaks, The official artwork is alredy uploaded to BulbaNewsNOW's twitter I think you should replace it, I'll do it but I don't know how, I am new here. {{unsigned|SuckMyBlood}}
:It usually takes some time before the new version of an image is correctly shown on every page the image is on. ☼ [[User:Blazingfist|Blazing]][[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 23:32, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== Player default names? ==

Are the player's names Callum and Serena for the male and female respectively? I heard it somewhere, but I'm not sure. [[User:Functioning Blaziken|Functioning Blaziken]] ([[User talk:Functioning Blaziken|talk]]) 15:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
:Calem and Serena, but yes, they are the official names. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 15:53, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

== Mistake ==

I can't edit the article, but this sentence sounds wonky to me:
"The Player Search System (PSS) is a multiplayer feature that always people to connect, battle, and trade with other players through the internet." [[User:Eevee-Girl|Eevee-Girl]] ([[User talk:Eevee-Girl|talk]]) 06:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I think it's been changed to 'allows' now. [[User:Functioning Blaziken|Functioning Blaziken]] ([[User talk:Functioning Blaziken|talk]]) 13:21, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== '''ヒトツキ''' ==

Shouldn't [[ヒトツキ]] (Hitotsuki [Monorpale]) be added to the new Pokémon section?--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 18:44, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

== spewpa art ==

someone '''really''' needs to try and reupload the spewpa art. It sticks out so painfully. [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 21:40, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
:The file was updated with the official version of the artwork almost a month ago over on the Archives, but the thumbnail still hasn't synced for some reason. Regardless, the file itself is up-to-date. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== version exclusives ==

since we now know of two pairs of version exclusives I think it is worth making a preliminary list. [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 16:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Korean feature, etc, names ==

Because I don't have any other place to put these... I'll just place them here for posterity.

===Features of X&Y===
* 무리배틀 ''{{tt|Muri|swarm}} {{tt|Baeteul|Battle}}'': Horde Encounters
* 스카이배틀 ''{{tt|Seukai Baeteul|Sky Battle}}'': Sky Battles
* 포켓파를레 ''Poket'pareulle'': Pokémon-Amie; based on its Japanese name PokéParler (ポケパルレ ''Pokeparure'')
* The "Player Search System" (PSS) is specifically "PSS".
:* 홀로캐스터 ''Hollokaeseuteo'': Holocaster feature
:* 배틀스폿 ''Baeteul'seupot'': Battle Spot feature
:* O파워 ''O-pawo'': O-Powers feature

===Names for new attacks include===
* 문포스 ''Mun'poseu'': Sylpheon's attack "Moonblast"
: It's just the transliteration of "Moon Force"

* 파라볼라차지 ''Parabolla'chaji'': Helioptile's attack "Parabolic Charge"
: It's just the transliteration of "Parabola Charge"

* 니트로차지 ''Niteuro'chaji'': Fletchling's attack "[[Flame Charge]]"
: It's just the transliteration of "Nitro Charge"
:* But this isn't a new attack :X

* 막말내뱉기 ''Makmal'naebaetgi'': Pamcham's attack "Parting Shot"
:* 막 ''mak'': "just" (as in, "I just got it for you!") or "act" (as in a play)
:* 말 ''mal'': "language, speech"
:: 막말 ''makmal'': also means "a blunt remark", "rude talk"
:* 내뱉기 ''naebaetgi'': "spit", "hurl", "blurt" (specifically used with "words", like "the words just hurled out of their mouth")
:: So "Rude talk spit".

* 우드호른 ''Udeu'horeun'': Gogoat's attack "[[Horn Leech]]"
: It's just the transliteration of "Wood Horn"
:* But this isn't a new attack :X

* 폭음파 ''Pok'eumpa'': Noivern's attack "Boomburst"
:* 폭(爆) ''pok'': pop, burst, explode
:* 음(音) ''eum'': sound
:* 파(波) ''pa'': wave
: So "Explosive Sound Wave".

.... I'll add more in a little bit. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 02:32, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I just realized some of the attacks aren't new... so I've made note of those above, and will only post about the Korean names for the new ones below.

* 부르짖기 ''Bureujijgi'': Litleo's attack "Noble Roar"
:* 부르 ''bureu'': to call out, hail, summon
:* 짖 ''jij'': bark, howl, roar
:: So "Hail Roar"

* 요정의바람 ''Yojeong'ui-baram'': Flabébé's attack "Fairy Wind"
:* 요정 ''yojeong'': fairy, sprite (so, "fairy")
:* 의 ''ui'': XXX's
:* 바람 ''baram'': wind
:: So "Fairy's Wind" or... "Fairy Wind".

....That's all I got for now. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 17:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Here's Xerneas' and Yveltal's abilities and attacks in Korean:
* Xerneas:
:* 페어리오라 ''Pe'eori'ora'': Xerneas' ability "Fairy Aura"
:* 지오컨트롤 ''Jiokeonteurol'': Xerneas' attack "Geomancy" (though it's "Geo Control" in Korean)

* Yveltal:
:* 다크오라 ''Dakeu'ora'': Yveltal's ability "Dark Aura"
:* 데스윙 ''Deseu'wing'': Yveltal's attack "Oblivion Wing" (though it's "Death Wing" in Korean) -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 03:01, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

===Other bits===
* Lass Anna's name is 이화 ''I'hwa''

-- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 18:34, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

== Artwork ==

Can someone please add the artwork of the five new Pokemon? Like, Inkay, Spritzee, etc.? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 19:04, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Uhhhhh it needs done again :P [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

==Languages==
Can someone please add the fact that all the localizations will have the same languages (mentioned [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/news/news_languages_2.html here]), as it is a very notable change? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 23:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

== Character artwork ==

There have been many more characters revealed than the player characters so far, shouldn't their artwork be added to the page?[[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 09:21, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

== Mini sprites. ==

IT seems they've changed mini sprites. I've compared the one at evostone example, and it looks different from what we have. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 09:29, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

== Oorotto ==

Since [[Oorotto]] has been revealed now, shouldn't the article be created now? [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 06:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
:Hold your horses there, bucko. I'm sure it's being worked on in someone's userspace already. The admins keep track of the news and are well aware of when things are revealed; there's no need to prod at talk pages. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

== Do all the Pokémon need to be shown? ==

There are quite a few Pokémon now, surely we don't have to see artwork for them all. Maybe just Froakie, Chespin and Fennekin. [[Emboar|This]] [[Butch|is]] [[Cassidy|Mkbw50]] [[Ritchie|signing]] [[User:Mkbw50|off]] 08:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

== MegaEvolutions ==

Shouldn't there be a section on Mega Evolutions. It might be a little too soon and not enough information on them yet because they just got comfirmed, but maybe at least mentioning them now and adding on later.[[User:Spiknoway84|Spiknoway84]] ([[User talk:Spiknoway84|talk]]) 03:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

== Super Training ==

Shouldn't somebody add a section on Super Training? There's a section on Mega Evolution, and Super Training was revealed the same day. [[User:Functioning Blaziken|Functioning Blaziken]] ([[User talk:Functioning Blaziken|talk]]) 13:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== New Pokémon ==

The artwork for the new Pokémon revealed yesterday- Dedenne, Bunnelby and Skiddo- is missing. [[User:Functioning Blaziken|Functioning Blaziken]] ([[User talk:Functioning Blaziken|talk]]) 13:20, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Missing Appearances ==
I've noticed that many of the new Pokemon are missing their "Physiology" descriptions, when it should be easy to write once you know what they look like shouldn't it? [[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 19:10, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Character artwork ==

There have been new characters revealed, such as Gym leaders like Viola, Citron and Korrina and other characters like Professor Platane, your rivals and Team Flare, shouldn't they be added to the new characters section? [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]])

== Fairy type info update ==

It is now known that {{t|Fire}} resists Fairy, so that will need to be included. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

== Additional Demo Info ==

Tierno is seen walking around, there is a second maze area where you can interact with a Litleo, and Flabébé are seen in the flowers. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P83GIhzxKq0 Source] --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

== pika ==

Am i the only one who who heard pikachu go "pika pika" when it fainted in the demo instead of its normal cry?[[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] ([[User talk:Deoxys80|talk]]) 20:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon X and Y

2013-08-21T20:47:24Z

Deoxys80: /* pika */ new section

Talk:Generation VI

2013-01-09T01:02:06Z

Deoxys80: /* reveal time. */ new section

{{forums notice|October 1, 2013}}

The redirect here needs to be suppressed, now that gen VI has been announced. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 12:49, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== X and Y. ==

Since this is going to be a full 3D (instead of {{tt|2.5D|2.5D is when something is made to look 3D, but is actually 2D}})... X and Y (as well Z) are the coordinates in 3D. X is horizontal, Y is vertical and Z is depth. Kinda neat reference. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:*Cool theory. Wouldn't be surprised if they did. But for all we know they might do what they did with Generation V and come out with an "X2" and "Y2". But I like your idea. ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 00:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

==A few errors==
There should be a dot after the Eiffel Tower part. Also, surely the last sentence is supposed to say '''five''' previous generations, not four. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 16:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Or rather I would say "the regions preceding it". [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 16:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Not "versions"! ==

Just to point out - it's been made clear in the Pokémon Direct that X and Y are the first two main series games without "Version" in their titles. In other words, they are not "Pokémon X Version and Pokémon Y Version", but "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y". Could this page please be edited to reflect this departure? [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 17:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:[http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PokemonXY8-1024x640.jpg This shows them as X Version and Y Version], so it still follows the tradition, even if unofficially. For now we won't be changing it. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
== problem ==

it says they '''were''' released as a pair [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 19:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:Fixed. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== With this confirmation... ==

that means that Generation V is the first Generation that does not have a solitary version? {{unsigned|Deruffy}}
:Don't count your chickens before they hatch{{tt|.|This is a proverb; though technically I didn't know about this one, but I knew about its counterpart in my language}} Considering that they made sequels instead of third version, we can't be sure about anything. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 20:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Region inspiration ==

"The new region draws inspiration from France" should probably be changed to "The new region appears to draw inspiration from France" until we've seen more of it. There might well just be an Eiffel Tower replica plunked into a PokeCalifornia or something. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 21:24, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:I agree with you on this point. It's honestly too soon to be jumping to conclusions. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::I think, if I were being really pedantic, even "Appears to draw inspiration from France" could be a little misleading, because it makes it sound like it'll all be France. There are deserts in the trailer, how many deserts does France have? That's more quintessentially Spanish. I'd say the new region "appears to have drawn inspiration from European landmarks, such as the Eiffel Tower in France." But even then, European landmarks is conjecture. Relatively safe conjecture, but still, minefield!! Only thing we can really say is that there's a tower in it that looks a bit French. How do you translate that into Bulbapese? [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== reveal time. ==

Can we say this generation has the fastest reveal time after a game of the previous generation was released?[[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] ([[User talk:Deoxys80|talk]]) 01:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Cry

2012-11-29T22:36:28Z

Deoxys80:

==A Note==
First of all, I removed the information of a short list of Pokemon that have the same cries to help summarize on how the system actually works. Second of all, I removed the Crobat cry thing, because that's pure speculation. Based on how the game works, Missingno. was improperly assigned Zubat's cry with a different pitch, just like the other Missingno's with Zapdos's cry but with a different pitch. [[User:Koolboyman|Koolboyman]] 03:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm... So which are the different cries, and what Pokémon have each? Or is it as easy as dividing evo family? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
:I added the Crobat thing myself, but I didn't add the part about "considering an evolution of Golbat". I personally believe it was only just a coincidence. It's supposed to be trivia, after all. But yeah, keep speculation out. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 09:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== Similar Cries ==

I know this sounds crazy, but I used the Cry Feature on the Pokédex in Diamond and Pearl and although they '''sound''' similar, no two cries are the same. They have different sound waves and the meters that show volume don't have the same pattern, but if this isn't worth putting in/taking out of the article, Machop and Omanyte might be worth mentioning. I have also noticed that maybe Chansey's cry and Pidgeot's cry are branches of the same cry. If you want more justification for Charizard's and Rhyhorn's cries being different, there is more background noise in Charizard's cry than Rhyhorn's. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 02:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, I've compared the cries using a Wave-editor and Charizard's and Rhyhorn's are the EXACT same. No other Cries are the same, but they're really similar. Some Cries also may be similar like Machop's and Omanyte's but their pitch is slightly different, so it's not considered the same. Also I kept that Poliwag's and Ditto's are the same, 'cause they're really similar, althought Ditto's like 0.01 second longer. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Uh, I'm pretty sure Mewtwo's and Parasect's cries were also the same. I've listened to them back-to-back and i could not notice any differences at all. {{unsigned|Morgil27}}

== Pikachu's Cry ==
Will someone who knows the actual method it was done with (actual v/a recording? i think it is) make a note about Pikachu's cry in Pokémon Yellow? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 17:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
:Jun'ichi Masuda actually talks about that in this blog entry: http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=144 If someone who knows more about programming wants to take a stab at clarifying/summarizing the information in the entry, have at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== About The cries ==

It is ok if we start using Pokémon cries in every Pokémon page? I mean like the Pokémon footprints, but upload them in *.ogg format. I can do it personally, because I extract the cries from their original games (Gen I Pokémon from Red, Blue and Yellow, and so on) because in Gen III or IV games they lose quality. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
:An admin had better make the final decision, but I see no reason why not. That would be excellent! [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 19:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::its on our big list of "things to do" but, it its not a priority. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu´s words? ==

''"... Ash (Pikapi), Misty (PiKachupi), Brock (PikaChu), Togepi (Pipipi), Team Rocket (Pipikachu), and "My name is Pikachu" (Pika, Pikachu)."''
Is that true? If it is, where did that info come from? (also, sorry for my bad english) [[User:Pkqls|Pkqls]] 05:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Pkqls
:Times in the anime where it is obvious what Pikachu would be saying, such as when the group is introducing themselves to a new character or searching for someone. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 05:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Individual Cries ==
Responding to a request on Bulbasaur's talk page, I'm trying to compile a list of the individual Generation 1 cries. On a quick runthrough I'm down to 74 (double the actual number), but there'll be some obvious ones when I try in a less systematic way another day. When I get this down to 60, will anyone be interested in helping me out for the last few? I can easily crowbar in Generation 2 afterwards. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 10:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Generation I cry alterations at low HP ==

I know many of us are aware that in Generation I, when a Pokémon is sent into battle with less than 20% of its maximum HP, it will cry in an extremely distorted way (e.g., an Alakazam sent out at low HP sounds like Gastly). Should this be written into the article? [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 04:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:Hmmm, Not sure about this, I'll just double check with blue...--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing the cause of the distortion is due to the annoying low-HP alarm and the Pokémon's cry being played at the same time, which screws up the instructions for altering the cry to make it sound correctly. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 04:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Sound files ==

We should have sound files so that people know what each pokemon's cry sounds like.--[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 16:24, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:We do. They're just not set on the pages yet. And they won't be until we can figure out some backend stuff. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
::I have all cries up to deoxys, if they're needed, just leave a note and i'll upload them on mediafire, {{Unsigned|Ben7229}}
:::We already have the cries of every Pokémon up through Generation IV... the problem is finding the correct way to implement them without making the server explode. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

==Three Pairs==
The article states that "tree pairs of Generation I Pokémon share the same cry", yet only two pairs are listed. Should it read as "two pairs" or was one pair removed by mistake? [[User:Puceron|Puceron]] 06:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry, I forgot to write it. [[User:WhitneyMoe|WhitneyMoe]] 08:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Poked into a Gold Version ROM... ==

I viewed the cries that exist in Gold Version with a cry-editing tool, and what I found were:
* There appear to be '''38''' (not 37) different cries that appear to have been introduced in Generation I. But since I'm looking at a Generation II game, maybe that was changed between generations.
{| width="100%" class="expandable"
|
=== Generation I cry groups (38) ===
|-
|
<pre>
Bulbasaur
Ivysaur
Venusaur
Pikachu
Dratini
Dragonair
Dragonite

Charmander
Charmeleon
Charizard
Rhyhorn
Magmar

Squirtle
Wartortle
Zubat
Golbat
Tauros
Crobat

Blastoise
Kakuna
Beedrill

Caterpie
Butterfree
Goldeen
Seaking
Scyther
Kabuto

Metapod
Abra
Kadabra
Alakazam
Magnemite
Magneton
Gastly
Metapod

Weedle
Arcanine

Pidgey
Jigglypuff
Wigglytuff
Poliwag
Poliwhirl
Poliwrath
Ditto

Pidgeotto
Pidgeot
Chansey
Pinsir

Rattata
Raticate

Spearow
Farfetch'd

Fearow
Shellder
Cloyster
Kabutops
Zapdos

Ekans
Arbok
Onix
Magikarp
Gyarados

Raichu
Nidoking
Articuno
Moltres

Sandshrew
Sandslash
NidoranM
Nidorino

NidoranF
Nidorina

Nidoqueen
Mankey
Primeape

Clefairy
Clefable
Meowth
Persian
Cubone
Horsea
Seadra

Vulpix
Ninetales
Geodude
Graveler

Oddish
Gloom
Marowak

Vileplume
Aerodactyl

Paras
Parasect
Staryu
Starmie
Mewtwo
Mew

Venonat
Venomoth
Tentacool
Tentacruel
Eevee
Vaporeon
Jolteon
Flareon
Umbreon

Diglett
Dugtrio
Doduo
Dodrio
Exeggcute

Psyduck
Golduck
Bellsprout

Growlithe
Machop
Machoke
Machamp
Slowbro
Omanyte
Omastar

Weepinbell
Victreebel
Ponyta
Rapidash
Porygon

Golem
Hitmonlee
Koffing
Weezing
Tangela

Slowpoke

Seel
Dewgong
Hitmonchan
Lickitung

Grimer
Snorlax

Muk
Gengar

Drowzee
Hypno
Exeggutor
Jynx

Krabby
Kingler
Mr.

Voltorb
Electrode
Electabuzz

Rhydon

Kangaskhan

Lapras
</pre>
|}
* Generation II introduced 30 more cries in addition to the ones introduced in Generation I (as the article stated).
{| width="100%" class="expandable"
|
=== Generation II cry groups (30) ===
|-
|
<pre>
Chikorita
Bayleef
Meganium
Igglybuff

Cyndaquil
Quilava
Chinchou
Lanturn
Swinub
Houndour

Tyhplosion
Steelix
Lugia

Totodile
Croconaw
Feraligatr
Yanma
Octillery
Houndoom

Sentret
Furret
Phanpy

Hoothoot
Noctowl
Misdreavus
Unown

Ledyba
Ledian

Spinarak
Ariados
Pupitar

Pichu
Smeargle

Cleffa
Bellossom
Sudowoodo
Politoed
Hoppip
Skiploom
Jumpluff

Togepi

Togetic

Natu
Xatu

Mareep
Flaaffy

Ampharos
Wobbuffet
Scizor
Heracross
Skarmory

Marill
Azumarill
Sunkern
Murkrow
Smoochum

Aipom
Espeon
Stantler
Tyrogue
Ho-Oh

Sunflora
Remoraid
Elekid

Wooper
Quagsire
Sneasel

Slowking
Pineco
Foretress
Qwilfish
Blissey

Girafarig
Porygon2

Dunsparce
Sunbbull
Granbull
Shuckle

Gligar
Miltank

Teddiursa
Ursaring
Delibird
Magby

Slugma
Kindgra
Hitmontop

Magcargo
Piloswine
Corsola
Suicune

Mantine

Donphan

Raikou
Larvitar
Tyranitar

Entei
Celebi
</pre>
|}
* The following pairs of Pokémon have ''exactly'' the same cry; they belong to the same cry group and their cries have the same pitch, echo, and length. ''All other pairs of Pokémon'' either don't have the same base cry, or the pitches, echoes, and/or lengths of their cries are slightly different.
** Charizard and Rhyhorn
** Poliwag and Ditto {{unsigned|Ultraflame}}

== Cry/Japanese names ==

Can someone double check if they meant to be saying their Japanese names (the text that appears when you talk to a Pokemon, not the actual cry)? For example, in Colosseum, if you talk to the Taillow in Agate village, it says something like ''subame'' (its Japanese name). And if you talk to the Marill in Phenac city, it says ''rurii'' (as in Mariru). This doesn't apply to all Pokemon, and may or may not apply only to Colosseum. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:36, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:Talking to Pokémon in the main series games can yield variations on their Japanese names (Clefairy usually say "Pipipi," and there's a Kangaskhan somewhere that says "Garu"), their English names (I know there are some examples, but I can't think of any right now), or random noise (Farfetch'd — at least the charcoal maker's in HGSS — say "Kwaa!," and Ho-Oh in HeartGold says "Shaoooh!"). There doesn't really seem to be any reliable pattern. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 01:14, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unspecific Trivia? ==

The last bit of trivia on this page states that cries in Generation III are played at .9x speed of the original samples. With the placement of that fact of trivia, however (i.e. which trivia is directly above it), I got a bit confused. Is that statement referring to when the Pokémon is weakened and its cry is distorted, or is it stating that Generation III slowed down the previous generations' cries? [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 14:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

:Well, judging from the fact that the bullet point for that statement is not inset, indicating that it is additional information, I would say it is not related to the trivia above it. That is, all cries in Gen III are .9x the speed of cries heard in other Generations. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 20:51, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Add corresponding cry to EVERY Pokemon page. ==

Hi everyone,

I am new to wiki forums in general, but Pokemon is a safe bet to go to, as I would LOVE to see this happen.

I think that every pokemon in the page, yes, all of them, should have thier corresponding cry associated with their page. It would only add a nice touch to the site as a whole, and this is big enough to become a project.

I am willing to make this happen. {{unsigned|DrummerDooter}}

:Staff members have said repeatedly on this very talk page that they're working on it, but other things take priority over that. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 15:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

== Repeated Cries ==

I noticed that in gen 4 and 5, if you close the systen in the middle of the cry, the cry starts all over when it is reopened. And as long as it keeps closing and reopening, the cry can go on forever. I don't know if this is worth mentioning, but it should be looked into. [[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] ([[User talk:Deoxys80|talk]]) 22:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Cry

2012-11-29T22:35:20Z

Deoxys80: /* Repeated Cries */ new section

Talk:Cry

2012-11-29T22:35:12Z

Deoxys80: /* Repeated Cries */ new section

Talk:Effort values

2012-10-20T16:48:32Z

Deoxys80: /* join avenue */ new section

Where "252" comes from isn't explained... it'd be better as Math.floor(255/4), but I'd prefer to see it written with the proper math symbols, which don't appear to be supported in Bulbapedia yet... - Hyperworm.
:We'll try to get texvc installed, but that would mean getting an Ocaml compiler for whatever platform the server is running... not to mention checking that TeX is installed properly, etc. (mutter...) - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 12:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Feel free to make it floor(255/4) with a description of the floor command, but leave the "Math." out, Bulbapedia isn't a compiler. Don't expect most people viewing the page to know what "floor()" does.
:--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:53, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Is anyone thinking of compiling a chart of pokemon and what Effort Values they have? I see that each pokemon has theirs on their own pages but it doesn't list all of them at one spot, any ambitions or places online that it could be copied over from? [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 02:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

:Bulbapedia already has one of those, actually. Now that you mention it, I hvae no idea why it's not linked to here. I'll add a hyperlink to the article. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''>''']] 04:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow that makes it so much better thanks [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 14:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a point of clarification here - is it necessary to get a Pokemon to lv. 100 to get the full EV benefits? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Once they have the effort ribbon, you'll know they have full effort values. Otherwise, then, you can't really know. Heck, a Pokémon can hit 100 without full EVs. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
::No, no. I mean, do the stat benefits show up only at lv. 100, or immediately after you've filled the 510 EVs? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like leveling from 99 to 100 will add some ridiculously high number to the stats. I don't keep track personally, but I think that they'll show up instantly once you've filled the EVs, and it won't matter if you enter them as some lower level into the autolevel-to-100 battle on WFC, or level them up naturally. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if you have enough evs, the stat gain comes after you level up. Say you get 16 evs before leveling up. If so, then when you do level up and you get 16 atk's, youll get 4 evs. So leveling to 100 isnt necesarry-- [[User:Mr T Tar]]
:It is. You may have the EVs, but you don't have the stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

And now i know thanks to you. I feel like a noob T_T {{unsigned|Mr T Tar}}

== Some adjustments needed? ==

First off, vitamins, The article's wording seems to imply that a vitamin can be used when the current points are any amount less than 100, and unless things have changed, or i know wrong, vitamins will only raise EV's TO 100 and never over 100, meaning vitamins can only be used when current EV's are 90 or less.

Also, the basic info seems to ONLY address the final results at level 100, leading to earlier confusion about whether or not EV's apply anytime before. The EV portion of the stat calculations could be here, and/or a chart showing at what levels the EV's needed for an actual stat point are whole numbers, and how many it is, along the lines of:

100 = 4
80 = 5
50 = 8
40 = 10
25 = 16
20 = 20
16 = 25
10 = 40
8 = 50
5 = 80
4 = 100
-------
2 = 200
1 = 400

Obviously we don't need a lot of the lower levels, since it'd be difficult to finish EV training that low. at eight, you'd need to use all the vitamins the game will let you to get just two stat points, and only one for the same at level 4, and gaining a single whole stat point is impossible at levels 1 and 2.
:I'm thinking the chart should be cut off at 4, since then you could still use vitamins to gain 5 single stat points in different stats. {{u|Kendai}} 10:38 October 22, 2007.

I get the numbers by dividing 400 by the level, or the needed number of EV's. You can see they start to mirror at 20.

:Vitamins are only if the EV's less than 100 at the time of use. Even if it's 99, you can still use one vitamin. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::I'm confused as to what happens in that situation. If the Pokemon has 99 EVs and you give it a vitamin, will it only gain 1 EV so that it hits 100, or will it raise the EVs to 109? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 07:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Double on the route where caught? ==

I read somewhere (a long time ago, I forget now) that when training a Pokémon on the same route or other map area where you caught it, it will receive double the normal amount of EVs. Does anyone know if this is true? {{unsigned|Dansiman}}
:I know that in Crystal, it raised happiness by like, double or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that thing you read was true. After all, many Pokémon are recieved in places where there are no wild Pokémon, such as starter pokémon, and you can't battle in the Safari Zone, and if a Pokémon is traded, say, from Diamond to Soul Silver, then you couldn't do train on the route either.
Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a apecific stat? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== EV ==

Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a a specific stat? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
* If you know the IVs, you can come pretty damn close. But otherwise, no. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 21:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there any way you can max out a specific stat without the use of vitamins? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. Extra EV training can make up for no vitamin usage. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 18:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::How do you do that? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:::All 252 (255) EVs would have to come from battling. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Does that mean you have to battle continuously? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 18:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yep. So if you wanted to raise Sp Attack EVs, you'd battle something like Budew 252 times (Budew gives out one Sp Attack EV, I think) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:Unless you have the 'rus and a Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Emerald? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 06:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think (THINK!) it is more or less the same. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::But how do you know battling which Pokémon raises which EV? [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 07:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Ask TTE. He knows (almost) everything! '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>''' 07:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

:::(edit conflict) Or ask me!
:::There's a list linked on the article here, and other lists across the 'web as well. Generally, Pokémon will give EVs to stats they're strong in themselves (Zubat's Speed stat is it's strongest, so it gives out 1 EV to Speed when you defeat it). There are some exceptions, but that's generally how it works out.
:::For training in a specific stat, generally you just look at a list of Pokémon by EV reward, find ones that are fairly common, and track down a spot where you can find them easily. For example, Fearow and Raticate both give 2 EVs to Attack, and the area just North of the Fight Area in D/P is full of Fearow and Raticate; if you were planning to train for Attack, that would be the easiest place to train (fighting Fearow and Raticate, and running from anything else). Is that what you meant to ask? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Could you give me a link to any of those websites? And could you also tell me how to raise Special Attack in Emerald (that's what I'm playing now)? {{unsigned|J-J-M}}
:::::For one, [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]] is right here, simply sort by the Sp. Atk. column, which will put anything with more then a zero at the top (keep an eye out for some Pokémon that raise multiple stats at once, they can mess up your math).
:::::In Emerald, let's see... Sp. Atk. is something I've trained before, let me check my notes. *runs off*
:::::...I trained on [[Route 113]], [[Spinda]]s and [[Slugma]]s each give out 1 point towards Sp. Atk. stat. Flee from [[Skarmory]], they give out 2 points towards Def. stat (Skarmory are pretty rare anyways). MAKE SURE you mark down each Spinda/Slugma you defeat, there's nothing more annoying then losing count after number 134! And don't forget to save every so often too.
:::::One more note, if you didn't already know, Exp. Share shares EVs too, so if you need to train two Pokémon for Sp. Atk., give one of them an Exp. Share and it'll gain the EVs from battling too. It won't get the benefit of a Macho Brace or anything if your first Pokémon has one, though.
:::::...last note, training there is a great way to collect Soot on the route while you're at it. ;D --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

One more thing....is there any other way to get Attack EVs without having to battle Carvanha? (I can't find that thing anywhere!!!) [[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']] 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if somebody could please explain something for me... sorry if I'm slow to pick it up, I only found out about EVs a little while ago (so yeah, I played my way through the games ignorant of them), but I'm having trouble understanding how EVs actually become stat points. I understand how you accumulate EVs, but at what point, and how, do these become stat points? I originally assumed that it was instant (i.e., you get four EVs in a particular stat, that becomes a stat point for that stat) but from reading the rest of the discussion on this page, that doesn't seem to be the case. Someone also mentioned resetting EV values... that confused me too :S
If there's a clearer explanation of how this works somewhere else, I'd really appreciate it if someone could direct me to it.
Thanks- Timothy.
:Every four EV points you gain, that's +1 in that stat at level 100. You can get up to 255 EVs in one stat, 510 total. 252 is where most people stop for a specific stat, since you don't get stat points for 3 EVs. EV points are gained from specific Pokémon, and there's a list of them somewhere around here. They get doubled by Pokérus and the Macho Brace. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

==Lv 100 Pokemon==
Sigh.. my brother wanted to make a Latias he got stronger. The Latias was Lv100, so he gave the berries that lower EVs in ATTACK, so he could give extra Sp.Atk to his Latias, but when he went to train, the Latias did NOT receive any EV after battling (he tried doing the box trick so the game would recalculate the EVs, but the Sp.Atk didn't rise). So here is the question: Can a Lv 100 Pokemon receive EVs? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:No, you can't EV train at 100. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::What about in Generation III? I've heard many conflicting stories about Level 100 Pokémon in Generation III receiving/not receiving experience and EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm positive that without actually leveling up, the Pokémon won't gain any EVs. I believe the previous versions allowed players to deposit a Pokémon into a storage box, then withdraw, which would re-count the EVs... but this isn't in Gen.III, I'm 99% sure. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::And what about pokémon that I already use vitamins? I mean because if you use medicine on them until it gets to "It won't have any effect", can you still train them? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Vitamins cap out at 100 EVs (10 EVs per item), so when the Vitamins stop working, there's still 155 EVs left that you can do in that stat.
:::In Gen.IV at least, I know Vitamins won't actually help you out training a level 100 Pokémon, if that's your question, since Vitamins grant EVs, and you'll need to level up to gain the effects. Just an FYI. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 09:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Eheh, he tried the box trick? That's only in the original Game Boys, not the Advance. So the trick won't work: 0.00000000000001% chance of it working. Good luck. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:45 21 May 2008'''''
::If this is any evidence for or against the idea, I once made a mistake in EV training my Donphan--It was Level 50 with 196/140 HP/Attack instead of the 197/141 I wanted. I deleted its EVs, re-trained it WITHOUT LEVELLING IT UP, and deposited it into the PC. Donphan is still Level 50 and now has 197/141 HP/Attack. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Which game were you playing exactly? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 05:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry. It was Diamond. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The box trick works in Gen III too. I've done it many times, but just for fun because I know it's the same as leveling up. But I was wondering if you could do it with lv 100 pokemon too, because it's still possible with other pokemon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Maxing Stats?==
I've noticed that a lot of people manually count the number of battles they do while maxing a stat to 252...but wouldn't it be more convenient to just get it to 255 without counting and using a EV-reducing berry? Thanks. [[User:Drbazzi|Drbazzi]] 18:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, a berry would reduce it to 245, as they make EVs decrease by 10. And... why 252? it is just the same as 255. if you get 252 in two stats, you'll be able to get other 6 EVs for a thid stat, but it will only increase it 1 point at level 100... and 1 at level 100 is the same as nothing. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:::In Emerald, that method would be more convenient. For Diamond/Pearl (and later, I would assume), if the Pokémon has more than 100 EVs in a stat, one EV-reducing berry would take it back to 100. For example, using an EV-reducing berry on a Pokémon with 255 EVs would take it down to 100 EVs, and using a berry on one with 101 EVs would also take it down to 100. For Hfc2x's question, let me turn that around: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252." The 1 extra point is for "all the advantage you can get", because you never know when one extra point may save you. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Nopes, you're wrong. EV-reducing berries lower the EVs by 10 ALWAYS, even when it is over 100. and the 1 point in one stat is nothing, 'cause you can only make the difference every 18 points at level 100. For example... if I have a Pokémon with 300 of speed and my oponent has 305, ANY of the Pokémon may attack first because the difference is so minimal. And for offensive stats there is something called "{{wp|Random number generation|RNG}}" which is the reason of why sometimes your attacks are more powerful than usual, and not just for your high stats. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay, try maxing out a stat in Diamond/Pearl, and use one berry. I have tried it myself--there is a MASSIVE loss with the first berry and a much smaller loss with the second, third, and so on. Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority. Remember what I said: "Why 255? It is just the same as 252.", and "all the advantage you can get". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 21:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::No offense, but Playing Diamond and Pearl doesn't mean that you are the complete master of the games... I know why I say it. A Pokémon with 305 speed MAY attack before another with 300, and I tell you not because I'm sure, but that's the way the game works. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I still challenge you to try it in Diamond/Pearl. I say again: "Your speed example is ridiculous, because a 305-Speed Pokémon will ALWAYS move before a 300-Speed, provided the moves have the same priority." [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You think I've never played Pokémon? xD quoting your own phrases is not the great thing... please read the whole talk page and see that I've already done that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are EV training a Pokémon with both a Macho Brace(Power Anklet, et al.) and the Pokérus, does the doubling take place before or after the plus four? For example, if I defeat a Jumpluff with a Pokémon that is holding a Power Anklet and currently has or has previously had the Pokérus, will it be getting 10 EVs(3*2+4) or 14 EVs((3+4)*2)? --[[User:Podunk|Podunk]] 10:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:It works like this:
:I defeated a {{p|Gastly}} and my {{p|Alakazam}} had [[Pokérus]] and was holding [[EV-enhancing item#Power Lens|Power Lens]]. Gastly gives 1 {{Stat|Special Attack|Sp.Atk}} EV and the Power lens gives 4 extra EVs also, giving a total of 5. THEN the Pokérus duplicates the EVs for the Pokémon, (in this case Alakazam) giving a total of 10 Sp.Atk EVs. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Oh really? ==

The last sentence states that it adds 4 EVs to the respective stat even if EVs in a different stat are gained. Is this tested to be true?

To clarify, +4 first, THEN x2 for Pokerus - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Also, I believe the EV system for Generations I and II is wrong here. I'm fairly sure Pokemon weren't given specific EV values like they are now, I think EVs were actually calculated based on a Pokemon's stats. Please check it anyway to make sure.

Since you added 252 is the highest multiple of 4 in 255, you might want to add 508 is the highest multiple of 4 in 510, making 2 available EVs useless. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Mr. Black|Mr. Black]] ([[User talk:Mr. Black|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Black|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Well, Mr. Black isn't responding you questions... The first one is YES, if you use Power Wheight you'll always gain +4 HP EVs, even if you fight a Graveler. And the second one is NO, Pokémon always have given away the same EVs they give now, but the difference is that there is no limit in Gens I and II, instead of the limit of 510 in Gens III and IV. {{unsigned|hfc2x}}

Well, I'll explain it better:
*Power Wheight helps you get +4 EVs in HP ''EVERY TIME YOU FIGHT AND FAINT AND OPPONENT''. This is added to the total if you haven't got the Pokerus. If you have Pokérus, then the total (after adding the bonus for the held item) is multiplied by 2.
*In Generations I and II, ALL Pokémon give ''THE SAME'' EVs they give now. The only difference among generations is the total of EVs you can add to a Pokémon if you want to train. In Gens III and IV the maximum training in EVs is 510, with a maximum of 255 in every stat, but the total cannot exceed 510. In Gens I and II, there is no maximum amount of EVs in any stat nor a maximum of total EVs. Meaning that you can get infinite training.

I hope it is clear now... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

* I think your second statement about Generations I and II is incorrect. According to [http://www.geocities.com/thelegendarydogs/faqs/all/genes/genesfaq.htm this GenI&II Pokémon DVs guide], defeating a Pokémon added its base stats to your EV scores (called Stat XP in the old terminology), and your EV scores were limited to 65535. This corroborates with the [[Pokémon data structure in the GB|data structure]], which has ten bytes for Effort data or two bytes per stat, and two bytes can store a maximum value of 65535. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Probability ==

How many different combinations of EVs are possible without going over the limit for EVs, 510, and the limit in each individual stat, 255? {{unsigned|Superbreeder}}

:I think 255! * 6...but that doesn't discount duplicates, so I'm not quite sure. It probably involves factorials, and it's certainly exceptionally large. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 21:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ask {{u|Beligaronia|this guy}} nicely. If you explain exactly what you're looking for, I'm sure he can figure it out. He has told me, though, that he plans to be less active than an inactive user, so try [[Special:EmailUser/Beligaronia|email]] or his Wikipedia talk page for the fastest results. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== I Still Don't Understand ==

EV Training still confuses me. . If I fought a Charizard, who gives 3SpAtk EVs, then what would happen? My Pokemon gets 3 extra points to their SpAtk? Does it have to level up? {{unsigned|ShinjiLover}}
:No, it doesn't help. Try beating other 83 Charizards to fill up your Sp.Atk EV max and then level up and see what happens. 252 EVs mean +63 of the stat ''AT LEVEL 100'', not at other levels. Ah, and try signing your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Effort Values and Stat Experience ==

I saw that on the article it says that Effort Values were created in Gen. I, but weren't they created in Gen. III during the Data Structure Overhaul. The extra 63 points in the first 2 generations were determined by a hidden experience value for each stat value (max - 63,105 exp. points i think), and the amount of hidden exp. you get for a stat is equal to the opponent's base stat for that specific stat.

There is more evidence to support this then the EV theory. Like if you just caught a Lapras in, say, Pokémon Crystal,and you fight 4 Grimers. If the EV theory were correct, you would get 1 point in your HP stat after using the Box Trick, but instead multiple stats rise. Isn't that because each stat rises according to every 1000 points(or something)?

So I was just thinking to suggest that the EV info on Gen. I and II be moved to III, and create a link to a new page, Stat Experience? The SE theory sounds more correct then the EV one for Gens. I and II. What do you guys think? {{unsigned|Dark Boye}}

* In Generations I and II we called it Stat Experience. Nowadays they're called EVs. It's calculated differently now, but it's essentially the same thing - you get faster by fighting Jolteons, and more hit points by fighting Chanseys. I think it makes sense to say they're just different versions of the same thing - after all, as far as I know, both "stat XP" and "Effort Values" are just fan-created names. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 05:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

==Stat-reducing Berries==
I'd like to note some things about the Stat Reducing Berries. The fact that they reduce EV's by 10 is correct, but I wanna note that when used on a stat above 100, the stat is reduced down to 100, then each subsequent use is 10 each. Once the berry starts failing, it's either due to the stat having no EV's, or an EV amount below 10. These berries are also very useful in changing a Pokemon's EV spread, a very good thing for an In-game team to make them more competitive.
Also, when used on a Level 100 Pokemon, they WILL reduce the stats, but because they can no longer level up, they cannot raise the stats back up via EV training.[[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 14:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
:Although you may be able to raise your stats back using stat-enhancing drinks, which are the opposite of stat reducing berries.[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

==Your questions are probably answered here...==
After reading this page, I found that there were a lot of complicated topics that weren't quite answered. Here're the most frequently asked questions answered:

What is EV training, and how is it good?
EV training is a method in which you train one Pokémon against a against a specific group of Pokémon in order to raise the Pokémon's stats. This would be like training a future sweeper against Jolteon so that the sweeper gets faster.

How do I EV train?
Personally, I EV train by finding trainers that have only one species of Pokémon, but others may prefer to train against wild Pokémon. Both methods are equally effective. A common one is PI Carlos just below Veilstone City. Because he has 3 Goldeen (which evolve into Seaking), he gives 3 (or 6) EV's throughout the course of one battle. Although you can have a maximum of 255 EV's in each stat, many trainers opt to put a maximum of 252 EV's in a stat. You can have a maximum of 510 EV's total (shared between stats), and every 4 EV's in a stat boost the stat at level 100 by 1 point.

What about Berries?
If you use a stat-reducing berry on a pokemon that has more than 100 EV's in a stat, it reduces that stat's EV's to 100. From 100 down, however, it reduces the EV's by 10. Kudos to Joe T. E.!

How do I squeeze the most out of EV training?
Ok, so this isn't really an FAQ, but I found some nice ideas to maximize your EV's. First off, putting EV's in a stat increased by nature can make its effect go up from +63 to +69, putting you "one point ahead" in the end!

Try my EV Optimizer here: http://masd.21classes.com/pub/MASD/DavidKo/Stat_Calculator.htm

[[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]] 22:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

:I'm still a little puzzeled, butI think I'm getting to understand EVs. Basically by the time I get to level 100 I'll HAVE to have my max EV numbers somewhere right? The only "EV training" is in aiming for those two max stats? Maybe use EV reducer berries to tweak. But after I get those EVs full and in a way I like them, that's all I can do, right? Timing of getting the EVs early/ect don't matter, right? The end result doesn't need babysitting from the very start it looks like/I hope?--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 05:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

::A Pokémon's stats are pre-calculated, but think of it like this: the difference between the Pokémon's stat now and their stat at level X divided by the number of levels between them equals the stat change. As an example, if a Pokémon's stat at level 100 would be 300, and it's level 99 with 290 as its stat, its next stat gain will be 10. As long as you get all of your EV's in before level 100, all of the EV's will be factored in. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 02:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

:I have a question that isn't answered here: Is it possible to check to see how many EVs your Pokemon has in specific stat? I know that there's a guy in the Platinum Battle Tower that will let you know their IVs, but is there something like that for EVs to? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 12:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

::Well, if you know your exact IVs, it's possible to calculate your EVs, but otherwise, no. Generally, if you're training for a particular number of EVs, you keep track of it in a notepad or something. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 15:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I never bothered with EVs or IVs till now, so I didn't keep track. So what's the formula to calculate the EVs then? Also, does the formula calculate the EVs exactly, or is it just an approximate amount? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 15:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

::::I don't know the formula, so I wouldn't know how exact it would be. You can probably get an aproximate however by going into a Wi-Fi battle and setting levels to 100 (if you don't already have your Pokémon at level 100), than compare the stats to the stats listed on that Pokémon's species page.
::::For example, if I checked my Weavile at level 100 and its Attack stat was at 350, I could compare that to the [[Weavile (Pokémon)#Base stats|base stats]] at level 100 and figure that my Attack EV was somewhere close to maxed-out (since the highest you can get with EVs and IVs combined would be 372 on a Weavile).
::::It's a rough aproxximation, but it'll give you a good idea where you're at.
::::Generally, if you really want to get serious with EV training, you'll want to start fresh with a newly-caught/newly-hatched Pokémon. I've not tried it, but I believe you could also use berries that reduce EVs to "reset" your Pokémon back to 0, as well (not sure on the details of that, however). --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 21:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== EV Training for Lv 50 battles ==

Since there is currently a world tourney going on with a Lv 50 limit and there also is (and has been for along while) the in-game option of battling with Lv 50 pokémon, I'm surprised that I don't see more information or discussion on the topic. If you are EV training for a Lv 50 battle, then wouldn't you not particularly want 252 EV in a stat? Unless I'm mistaken, you would want floor(252/8) because you are at half the level of Lv 100 battles, where it is four EV per stat point. This would mean that raising a stat to 252 would in fact be a waste of four perfectly usable effort points! Am I mistaken here, or is this assumption correct? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 02:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually wrong. You can have max EVs at like level 10 and it wouldn't hurt. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::Maxing at any level doesn't matter. It's just at level 100 where full bonus is calculated. At level 100 your Pokémon's stats will range by exactly 31 points for their IVs and exactly 63 points for their EVs. Under 100's are just fractionalized by their level: a level 50 Pokémon would thus have a 15-point or 16-point range in stats due to IVs, while the range due to EVs would be 31 or 32 points. As the Pokémon's level gets higher the discrepancy is greater between untrained and crap-IVs and trained with excellent IVs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry TTE, but IV points can vary a stat as much as 34 points and as little as 28 points, and EV's can vary as much as 69 points and as little as 57 points depending on the nature. Training a Pokémon earlier rather than later or vice versa has no effect on its stats at level 10, 25, 50 or 100. What appears to happen is that a Pokémon trained later will have a more extreme stat gain in the next level (<s>about 63/(100 - level)</s> (future stat (with EV's) - current stat) points more than usual if fully trained in one level). [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 03:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I think my question has been misunderstood here. What I want to ask is this: since at level 100 it takes four effort points to add a single point in any stat, wouldn't it make sense that it would take 8 points at exactly half that level? That is what I am asking. Can anyone answer this for me, as it can mean the difference between 252 being the max useful amount and 248 being that number, and with 2 stats at that level, you'd have eight effort points to spare, meaning one stat point anywhere you chose... Sorry if this seems obvious to anyone, but I'm not so sure from the sources I've looked at. [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 06:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::In an attempt to answer your multi-faceted question, yes, it would be more thrifty to put only 248 EV's in a stat if you intend to keep that Pokémon at level 50. The extra point in the stat with 252 would be rounded down anyway, so putting in 248 is a much better choice. If you intend, however, to train the Pokémon to level 100, it would max out the stat with only 252. [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]][[Special:Contributions/PhoenixGraphix|™]] 18:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Understood. And yes, I was asking about pokémon you intend to keep for battling at level 50, which I suppose I should have specified. I just figured since I mentioned the VGC tourneys it would be assumed, what with a lv 50 cap and all... Thanks! [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]] 01:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

:It depends on whether the IV is even or odd, if it's odd you need 252 to max the stat, if even only 248. Any other level and you would have to consider the whole IV and the Base stat too, but the EV needed for max stat will always be a multiple of 4. I know that this conversation is almost a year old, but having an accurate answer is important. --[[User:Sp unit 262|sp unit 262]] 04:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== EV distribution if multiple pokemon are used ==

So only the pokemon that lands the finishing blow gets the EVs? Or do all the pokemon that were exposed in the battle get EVs? --[[User talk:Qwertyasdf|(QQ)∞wertyasdf]] 11:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon that gained EXP, as a result of the defending Pokémon being defeated, gets EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 17:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

::So if i knock out a Paras by sending out Heracross, switching to Scyther and knocking it out with wing attack, they both get 1 attack EV? So both get the full effect? What if the opponent gives two or there EVs?[[User:Emperor Fox|Emperor Fox]] 01:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::All Pokémon who received experience recieve the full amount of EVs. Evs are not divided, unlike experience. --[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 16:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Is this the same in Generation I/II, i.e. for stat exp? Also can we add this to the article somewhere? [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 14:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Confused about Effort Values and Effort Points ==

In the first paragraph under Generation III, it begins by describing the new effort points, but the example uses effort values:

:Generation III completely overhauls the effort value structure. Defeated Pokémon give out 1, 2 or 3 ''effort points'' to a particular stat, depending on species (see list of Pokémon by effort value yield). However, in battles that do not give any experience (such as in the Battle Tower or if the Pokémon is level 100), Pokémon will not gain any ''EVs.'' At level 100, a Pokémon's stats will be one point higher in a specific stat for every four effort points gained in that stat.

The way that I read the second sentence, no pokémon at any level from Generation 3 on would earn effort values since they were replaced by effort points. If effort points and effort values are the same thing, using both terms is confusing. If effort points are converted into effort values, that should be stated with the conversion rate.

If a level 100 pokémon cannot gain any experience from battle, how would it be getting effort points or a stat increase at all?

One more thing: Does the mew in the Generation 1 example grant 100 (points) to each effort value or 100 effort values to each stat? [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 21:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:From how I see it, defeating one Mew in Generation I grants 100 points to each effort value. My interpretation of the article is that an "effort point" or "effort value point" refers to stat exp. that has been gained, and "effort value" is the total amount of effort points that has been "collected" in a particular stat. For example, a Pokémon that defeats a Mew will gain 100 effort points in each stat, and its effort values for each stat will therefore increase by 100. However, it looks like many people often say "effort values" when they really mean "effort points", which is extremely confusing. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::So you would wind up with effort points ''and'' effort values? Oh, the effort value is in increments of effort points. It’s like having a hundred dollars in one-dollar bills. You have 100 dollar bills which is 100 dollars. But who ever says they have a hundred dollar bills in their account? [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 02:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::Also, whoever says they received 100 dollar bills? By the way, nowhere on Bulbapedia is the relationship of effort points to effort values given, or even a definition. [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 10:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

:::One Effort Value = One Effort Point. The names were changed starting with Generation III it appears (from Value to Point), but the EV term is still the most commonly used.
:::The article needs a bit of a re-write to clarify this; some editors have written it as Points, while others have written it as Values, which is why the current article is a little convoluted on that particular regard. I'll need to research a bit as to which name is the current "official" term. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 00:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't know about what these things were "officially" called in Generation III. However, in Diamond and Pearl:
::::*The description for vitamins mention '''"base" stat'''. For example, the HP Up's description says, ''"... It raises the '''base HP''' of a single Pokémon."'' Using it on a Pokémon will say something like, ''"FEEBAS's '''base HP''' rose!"''
::::*The description for EV-reducing berries also say '''"base" stat'''. For example, the Pomeg Berry's description says, ''"... Using it on a Pokémon makes it more friendly, but it also lowers its '''base HP'''."'' Using it on a Pokémon will say something like, ''"However, its '''base HP''' fell!"'', ''"Its '''base HP''' fell!"'', or ''"Its '''base HP''' can't go lower."''
::::Similar wording occurs with the other vitamins and EV-reducing berries as well. Of course, the items I mentioned actually modify the EVs, and not what we (on Pokémon fan sites) would call "base stats". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 00:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
::::*Does the 100 effort values to all stats when defeating a mew apply only to generation 1, or does it apply to generation II as well?(Forger03 at 10:33pm on February 03, 2010)
:::::That should be valid for both Generation I and Generation II. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 17:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

== EV Gain at Level 100 ==

It might be worth mentioning that while you can't EV train at level 100, you can use vitamins. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 10:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== A Few Questions... ==

Having read through the whole talk page, there are a few things I'm still not entirely clear on.

Firstly, does the level at which a Pokémon gains it's EVs matter? For instance, if I were to train a certain Pokémon to have 252 HP EVs at level 40, and then do the same with an identical Pokémon at level 70 and then raise both up to level 100 will the ultimate result be that both Pokémon have the same maxed HP stat?

Secondly, Is it smarter to maximize two selected stats of a Pokémon, or to spread the EVs around evenly? Example: Gengar has naturally high Speed and Special Attack stats, so, would this Pokémon be most competitive if it had 252 EVs in each of these stats? or would that just make it less flexible in battle?

Thirdly, I read somewhere on this page that "All Pokémon that gain EXP from defeating another Pokémon will get EVs." Does this include EXP gained through the use of an EXP. Share? If so, do the EVs get divided among the Pokémon in the same manner as the EXP? Or does each Pokémon that gained EXP from a battle then gain the full EV yield?

I apologise if any of these questions have already been answered and I simply missed them... ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 06:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

#Level won't matter, so long as it's not at level 100 when it gains the EVs (so it still has level-ups left to receive the bonuses). At level 100, both of your examples would have the same stats (not counting any differences in [[nature]] or [[IVs]]).
#This depends, but generally speaking, you'll focus on two main stats. There are some instances where you'll want a bit of a spread, but normally you'll always max out HP on a defensive Pokémon and put the rest of the points into either one or both of the defense stats, or on an offensive Pokémon, perhaps allocate the majority of the points to Speed and the rest to one of the attack stats. Sites like Smogon.com list popular movesets and EV spreads for nearly every Pokémon used competitively, and can be a good way to get a feel for how a competitive set might look.
#Exp. Share will split the EXP, but both Pokémon will get the full EVs. If you defeat a {{p|Pikachu}} while one of your other party members has an Exp. Share, both your active Pokémon and the one with the Exp. Share will get 2 Speed EVs. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks for your answers, thats exactly what I needed to know! ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 00:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Related question: If a Pokemon holding a Macho Brace or other EV-affecting item is switched into battle, and therefore two or more Pokemon earn experience from the battle WITHOUT the use of an Exp. Share, do the Pokemon without the EV-affecting item receive the normal number of EVs or the increased number? I know that Pokerus affects only the Pokemon experiencing it, but I can't find any description of the mechanics for a normal shared experience scenario as opposed to one involving an Exp. Share. [[User:Mousewings|Mousewings]] 08:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

== Box Trick ==

The article never states if you can still use the box trick to raise stats when at level 100. I'm wondering if you can un-train then re-train the EVs of lv 100 Pokémon.[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 00:51, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Never mind... I'm really stupid.

== An Additional Question ==
Sorry if this seems a bit picky, but I wanted a direct answer to this question rather than assume the answer. I know you have 510 EVs to distribute to a single Pokémon, and you can only use 255 EVs for one stat. Is it possible to max out a stat (spend 255 EVs on it), but still continue to waste your 510 EVs on that stat? Like, if you invested 255 EVs to speed (and thus only have 255 EVs total to work with) then battled a Zubat, would you now have only 254 EVs to work with or do you still have 255? [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 01:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:The 255 cap is just that, a cap. Once you get 255 in a stat, no other EVs in that stat will be counted, so you still have 255 EVs left to put into other stats. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 01:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Really? I thought once you reached 252 you were just throwing away EV points. Are you completely sure?[[User:Emperor Fox|Emperor Fox]] 01:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It is "throwing away EV points" because you need 4 EV points to get 1 stat point, but you put in 3 EV points to fill the max to 255, meaning you never get your 1 stat point out of it. But I wasn't sure if you were able to continue wasting. [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Eh... i was unclear. Apart from the wasted 3, i thought you could continue gaining EVs until you'd wasted all of them on one stat. Though if it really does stop gaining EVs after 255, that would answer my question of "Why is it a cap if you can keep wasting them?" Frankly, it's fantastic news, since I'm EV training a zangoose the horribly lazy way. Pokérus, Power Bracer and beating a whole bunch of floatzel. (Which, if I'm not mistaken, nets me 4 speed EVs and 8 attack with each one defeated. Anyone care to correct me if I'm wrong?)[[User:Emperor Fox|Emperor Fox]] 02:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::So it seems Jïörüjï Ðērākō is right in that it does cap. Just had someone test it out so let the lazy EV training begin! [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 02:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::As for the why it caps, 1 byte is capable of storing 256 different values. One of those values is zero, leaving 255 others. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Excuse me... ==

HI, I'm new!... That aside, could someone please explain the following situation? I think it might be useful to people... Anyway, I came across EVs recently and decided to train my [[Kadabra (Pokémon)|Alakaz]] in Sp. Atk. and Speed. His EVs were already maxed, so I thought of using the EV-reducing berries. I also tried some on a {{p|Houndoom}}, for happiness. These are the messages I got:

I used a lot of [[Grepa berry|Grepa berries]], and then some {{b|Kelpsy}} and {{b|Qualot}}. His happiness was always at max. At first I got the message "Alakaz adores you! Its base Sp. Def. fell." After some Grepas, I got the message "It won't have any effect." Then I fed him some Kelpsy, and I got the message "Alakaz adores you! Its base Attack fell"... Then I tried a few Pomeg berries on [[Houndoom (Pokémon)|Houndark]]. At first the normal message showed, but I didn't see the HP go down. Then, after the third one, I got "Houndark became more friendly. Its base HP won't go lower."

Can someone please explain? I'm [[User:Togepikachu|TogePikachu]], thank you. 10:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:*Your Alakaz must have had maximum happiness, as well as some Attack and Sp. Def. EPs. Using a reduction berry on a Pokémon with maximum happiness but nonzero EV will give you the "adores you" message. But once you erased all of Alakaz's Sp. Def. EPs, since Alakaz already had maximum happiness and 0 Sp. Def. EV, more Grepa berries would not have any effect (and the game told you). Alakaz still had some Attack EPs, so Kelpsy berries would still have an effect by reducing its Attack EV.
:*Your Houndark had 11-20 HP EPs before you used the Pomeg berries (after the Pomeg berries, it had 0), but that was not enough to make a difference in its HP stat at that level. Your Houndark did not reach maximum happiness even after you gave it the Pomeg berries, so using further Pomeg berries would still have an effect by increasing its happiness.
:[[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 20:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== 1st and Second Gen ==

Is it possible in the first and second generation to see when your stats have maxed BESIDES fighting the E4 then Box Tricking? I want to know when to stop training Mewtwo over there. Haha. [[User:PoketoaTheFirefox|PoketoaTheFirefox]] 20:00, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's not possible to definitively determine if your Pokémon is maxed out (unless if one of its stats has IV 15 and that stat was maxed before - then you know it's absolutely maxed) without outside hardware, such as a cheating device. Couldn't reduce EVs until late Generation III, so it's really hard to determine a Generation I or II Pokémon's stat potential. If you don't see any stat improvement after a large number of battles, then of course that may suggest that maximum stats have been reached, but that's not a guarantee. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 07:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

== Is "Effort values" an official terminology? ==

I see in the Pokémon Emerald Official Encyclopaedia (a Japanese official book), and in the Route 9 Department Store of Pokémon Black & White, effort value is called "基礎ポイント" (base point) in Japanese. I want to know, is the terminology "Effort values / 努力値" (as well as base stats, IV, others..) referred in any official media? Or it's actually a widely-used fanon terminology like "Masuda method" --[[User:Swampert|Swampert]] 14:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:I have never seen official Pokémon media use "effort value" or "effort point". In fact, in the English Generation IV games, the descriptions for the vitamins (HP Up, Protein, etc.) and the EV-reduction berries (Pomeg, Kelpsy, etc.) also mention "base" stat. For example, the in-game description of the HP Up item is, "''A nutritious drink for Pokémon. It raises the '''base HP''' of one Pokémon.''" I think that IV (individual value) is also an unofficial term, but I'm not sure about other terminology. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 15:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::I think the reason that they do this is because although IV's and EV's are separate data, when calculating stats they are pretty much just addons to the base stats. So, one EV point actually ''raises the base stat'' of a specific Pokémon by 1/8 of a point, and one IV point raises it by a half point. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 17:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Apparently there's an official name for them now - "Base Points". [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 21:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::::So perhaps the official (English) term for the ''combined effect of base stat, IV, and EV'', is "base stat", and not just EVs specifically? [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, I think we might need some more clarification (maybe an exact quote) about what they really mean when they say "base point" or "base stat". Swampert (or anyone), could you provide a translation of the text that you mentioned? [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::::And apparently I didn't see it in the first post (the "base point" thingy). I'm dumb >_< [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 22:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
::::From my understanding, 基礎ポイント means and '''only''' means effort value, since the book says ''基礎ポイント(base points) can affect about 60 stat value when Lv.100''(translated), and a NPC in Route 9 Department Store says ''The items to rise 基礎ポイント are sold on Floor 3''. I haven't found an official English term, it should be ascertained in the English version of Black and White.--[[User:Swampert|Swampert]] 14:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thank you Swampert. We'll have to see if Ztobor might be correct that the English games will translate "基礎ポイント" as "base point". [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 01:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Effect on stat points ==

The German Pokéwiki has this to say about effort values. Here is a rough translation:

"At level 100, four EV's in a particular stat will result in an increase of one point for that stat. At other levels, the number of EV's needed to do so is as follows:

*Level 0-19: 40
*Level 20-29: 20
*Level 30-39: 13.3
*Level 40-49: 10
*Level 50-59: 8
*Level 60-69: 6.6
*Level 70-79: 5.7
*Level 80-89: 5
*Level 90-99: 4.4
*Level 100: 4"

Should this be included here? --[[User:Locrian|Locrian]] 13:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:I was under the understanding that it was 4 EVs = 1 point for all levels... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::You can add it if you want. I don't see what the problem would be, since it would show people the "true" effect of EVs at certain levels. For example, you would expect a level 1 Chimchar, with 31 Attack IV and 252 Attack EV, to have 7 Attack (by the formula) instead of 69 Attack (6+252/4). [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 19:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::i say add it because i was gonna ask why my pokes were getting 1 pt every 8 evs when its supposed to be 4 evs i thought. looking at that chart it makes sense because they were at 55-58 when i was training them. [[User:TerrorKingMugen|TerrorKingMugen]] 16:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::So what my question now is...when you level up, do these EVs "catch up" with their proper level? So if I EV trained a Bulbasaur at level 2 and he got +1 Sp ATK because he had 40 Sp ATK EVs, once he got to level 41, and theoretically gained no EVs, would that become +4 Sp Atk, or did I just screw Bulbasaur out of points? [[User:Poke poke poke|Poke poke poke]] 23:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Technically, that chart is only an approximation. You didn't screw Bulbasaur out of any EV's, but it's not always obvious the work that the EV's are doing. To answer your question, yes, that +1 you got at Level 2 will... actually grow into +20 at Level 41. The figure of "40" only works for Level 10. At level 2, it actually takes 200 EV's to raise the Sp.Atk by 1 point. It's just that that +20 will be spread about through the other 38 levels, so you won't see it discretely. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== official name? ==

Serebii are reporting that an NPC on Isshu Route 9 gives an official name to EVs as "base points". Can anyone confirm this? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 15:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:Please see the discussion above, "Is 'Effort values' an official terminology?". Since Black and White haven't been released in any language other than Japanese, we only know that the term used in Japanese is "基礎ポイント", which people have translated as "base point". We'll just have to wait for the English-language release to find out the official English name. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 03:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== That Gen V section ==

Is it proven yet? --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, here: [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79340&page=62]. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 12:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Still a bit confused... ==

So are Rare Candies okay if you've already got all your desired 512 EVs? Or is it better to level it up through battling, manually, all the way to Level 100?

And would the following method work to get the best possible stats for a Pokemon with the same IVs?
Say: a Level 50 Gyarados with mixed random EVs via battling throughout the storyline, fed as many stat-reducing berries as possible, and then battled the correct number of the correct type of Pokemon to get 252/252/6 EVs, and then leveled up with a bunch of Rare Candies to Level 100?
:If the Pokémon has 510 EVs total then it doesn't matter whether you use Rare Candies or Battle experience to further level it up. And yes, that method should work. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== Gen III Deoxys ==

It should be mentioned somewhere in the article, that the only Pokémon that gets stats recalculated at the end of every battle in Gen III is {{p|Deoxys}}, as opposed to the other Pokémon, which get their stats recalculated in the box or by leveling up. I recall, when I first got an event Deoxys in my FireRed game, I noticed that it wasn't getting normal stat recalculation upon leveling up when I was EV training it. Then I noticed that in FR/LG/E, the alternate formes of Deoxys have that behavior upon battling: their stats grow after every battle instead of the normal way of gaining a boost upon level-up. This doesn't happen with the normal Deoxys from R/S. Anyone feel free to add it to the article (and confirm it, if you have time and Deoxys, too). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== As for the "recalculations" in Gen. V ==

I'm rather confused as to what "stats being recalculated after every battle" entails. Does it mean that even if, say, your Emboar is fully EV trained, its EVs can still be changed just by its being in more battles? Sorry, I might just be missing some obvious wording, but it'd help if someone would clear this up.... [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 19:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:In Generations III and IV, if, say, you have a Pokémon (not Deoxys) with 100 Attack and zero Attack EVs, if it then gains 252 Attack EVs without leveling up, evolving, going in the PC box, or using any vitamins, its Attack will still be 100 until you do one of those things. In Generation V, this is changed so that increases in EVs will automatically increase stats as appropriate after every battle without the need of the [[box trick]] or similar. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 19:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, so basically the stats are fully realized ''when you finish EV Training'' versus when reaching Level 100? And level gain is no longer required to have EVs account ''at all''? Exciting. Thank you very much for the clarification. [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 19:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Effort Values checker? ==

According to the articles regarding [[Blackthorn City]] and [[Opelucid City]], there is a lady who gives you a rough idea of your Pokemon's EVs. Can we get a list of phrases? In my playing experience, the only thing this person has ''ever'' said about any of my Pokémon is "It looks like your [Pokémon] ... could try a little harder", whether it's my Starter (who has long since maxed out a few EVs) or a freshly bred/caught Pokemon with no EVs at all. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 18:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)''
:To my understanding, there are only two phrases. She will say "Could try a little harder" if you have not hit 510, and "has put in great effort" if it is at 510.[[User:Poke poke poke|Poke poke poke]] 23:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Switching out ==

How does switching out work with EVs? Say I have a Nosepass, holding a Power Belt, as my lead Pokémon, and find a wild Geodude. I automatically send out my Nosepass, of course, then switch to my Weavile and KO the geodude. Will my Nosepass now gain 5 Defense EVs (Geodude's 1 given + 4 from the Power Belt) or 1, or none? On a side note, this page is getting pretty long. Are article talk pages ever archived or does that only apply to user talk pages? [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 16:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:OK, I didn't see the conversation a few above me, and unless I'm horribly wrong here, the power items will always give extra EVs when the Pokémon gains EVs from battle, so goodbye. [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 16:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

== Generation II confusion about special ==

It says generation II is the same as generation I, and the special attack and special defence stat share the EV for special. That makes sense for backwards compatibility, but when I'm trying to keep track of my EVs in generation II I can't work out which one is used.

Example: Hoothoot has sp. atk. and sp. def. of 36 and 56 respectively. Generation II uses just one EV for both, so when I kill a hoothoot, what gets added to the single EV for special? 36 or 56? I'm trying to keep track of how many EVs (or stat exp) my pokémon have earned, but don't know what to do for special and I can't find the answer anywhere. --[[User:Pan|Pan]] 09:36, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

==So...==
This may be the same as a question above but is it possible to put more than 252 or 255 EVs into a stat? Like all 510? Or does it stop at 252 or 255? [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 18:14, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:It stops at 255. But since 4 EVs are needed to increase a stat by one at level 100, there's not much point putting the final three into the stat. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Is this what is needed to max out stats: IVs of 31 + the right nature/characteristic + 255 EVs? And is it true that you can only max out ''2'' stats? [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 21:59, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:I think that's right, I have a Hacked {{p|Arceus}} that was supposed to have Perfect stats, But the nature redid the stats so that only HP and Attack remained maxed. BTW this question seems to be more suited to the forums. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

== Working in Gen V ==

Okay, first of all I've been EV training for a while in my Pokemon white. I check the stats before and after every battle, and the stats are never recalculated for the said Pokemon. Can anyone explain this to me? [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]

Yes, I have the same problem. [[User:RedYoshi|RedYoshi]] 18:52, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

:<s>From the Generation III section, still relevant in Generation V: "For every Pokémon that has gained Effort Points in battle, stats will be recalculated upon leveling up, except for Deoxys, whose stats are recalculated after every battle instead."</s> Nevermind, I was thinking about Gen. IV. [[User:Shiny Porygon|Shiny Porygon]] 18:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
::Shiny Porygon, the Gen V section tells you that they're now recalculated after every battle, not after levelling up.

::It may just be that your Pokémon's at a low level, so a small amount of EVs don't make a difference yet. What level is the Pokémon you're EV training? - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 14:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

== Working with the earliest form of EV training ==

I just got the base stats of the Pokemon list printed from bulbapedia and I need a bit of guidance. I don't really understand how much effort value a Pokemon will yield if it has a different base Special Attack than Special Defense. There was only Special in gen 1 and the Stat EXP I read gave a poor example such as defeating 656 Mew give Max EVS since it's obvious that he has a base stat of 100 all over, meaning he can end up with all the same stats at level 100 with Max DVs and EVs. If an Eevee is defeated on Pokemon Yellow, since that is your first rival battle with an Eevee, does Pikachu gain an average of 54.17 Stat EXP in all stats or does he gain a separate 55 HP, 55 Attack, 55 Speed, 50 Defense and 45 or 65 Special Stat EXP? Or does Pikachu gain a total of 325 Stat EXP? How does this work and how do you keep track of this? I wish someone answered me on Yahoo Answers so I wouldn't have to ask here. ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 23:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC))

Or since 45 and 65 /2 is 55 on average would it gain an average of 55 Special instead? ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 23:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC))
:The Generation I special stat is listed in the footer of the stats template for the relevant Pokemon. They can't be determined from the Gen II and onwards stats. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Where is the footer of the stats template for the first 151 Pokemon? Also if I managed to take down an Eevee, 3 Pidgey, a Rattata, a Mankey, a Nidoran ♂, a Nidoran ◙, and a Spearow in Yellow with Pikachu in that order, how would the Stat EXP or their base stats converted to Stat EXP add up to my Pikachu's overall stats? ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 03:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC))

I'm going to inform you that I have found the template. I may need to ask my mom to print a separate page only for gen 1 since it's a bad idea to mix up Special Attacks with Special Defenses base stats for Pokemon Stadium as it doesn't help me very much. But you could pretty much explain how those are converted after I read my stats knowing that they must have different base stats everywhere. ([[User:MichaelXD|MichaelXD]] 03:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC))

Hi, i think there's something wrong stated:

in Generation one the Exp all shares also STat Experience, i could even proof it if you wish(or you do it yourself :p )

So please fix this^_^

But i dont know if Stat exp is really shared, or every Pokemon gets the Basic undevided value, so if you have fun to discover that, pls do it =P, i trained 6 pokemon and after my fighter(only one pokemon fighted the hole time) got maxstats the other pokemons still get stat exp via boxtrick, but have increased there stats randomly if i didnt fought with them.

So i guess they will be DEVIDED ;)

cu

--[[User:Wbuster|Wbuster]] 18:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

== Gen. I Stat Exp. - Divided by 4 or 8? ==

The formula on this page for Gen. I has a 4 in the denominator, but the stat calculation formula on the page for IVs has the denominator for Stat Exp as 8. Which one is it?--[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 20:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

== So For Clarification for Gen 1/2 ==

Since there's no joined EV cap between the different stats, there's no need to worry about EV training in a 'useless' stat on a Pokémon because all stats can eventually be trained to max anyway?

Is there any way to calculate the number when a stat is finally maxed out in this generation? The ranges given on the page include the effects of natures which don't exist here. -- [[User:CryptRat|CryptRat]] 01:42, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

==Appearance==
How can you tell if your Pokemon has certain EVs? [[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] 01:22, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Wouldn't {{t|Fighting}}-type Pokemon receive a lot of [[Attack]] and even more [[Defense]] EVs because of their [[type]] advantages? [[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] 01:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
*I do not think so, due to EV points being based on the pokemon they fight. IVs, however, are based on the pokemon, and do effect their stats much like EVS, but are Hereditary rather than earned. Hope That helped --[[User:Kajoman|Kajoman]] ([[User talk:Kajoman|talk]]) 19:51, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
*Almost forgot. You can Calculate your IVs here: http://veekun.com/dex/gadgets/stat_calculator. EVs, however, are a bit trickier, and are probably just easier to record as you earn them --[[User:Kajoman|Kajoman]] ([[User talk:Kajoman|talk]]) 19:55, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Effort points ==

What are effort points? Does the article directly define them? Are they different from effort values in any way? [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|~]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 22:00, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

== Gen V section needs an update ==

I found out through my own training recently that in Black and White Versions, a second level gained by defeating a single opponent causes the effort points from the defeated opponent to be added into the stats for the second level gained and all other levels gained from that victory. I tried to make an edit about this to the Generation V section, but I doubt I made it acceptable. If anyone could confirm my findings, and also make appropriate changes to the article, that would be fantastic. Thanks. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 23:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

== EV training section? ==

Would it be better to make the EV training section here, make an entire new page for it, or just add a Tips section for EV trainers? Support, discussion, and help from other developers would be appreciated --[[User:Kajoman|Kajoman]] ([[User talk:Kajoman|talk]]) 19:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== join avenue ==

In black 2 and white 2, if you open up a gym or kitchen, they sell things that raise stats, or ev's. And if you open a salon, you can lower the stats. I want to know by how much. [[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] ([[User talk:Deoxys80|talk]]) 16:48, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:N's Pokémon

2012-10-18T23:28:20Z

Deoxys80: /* Natures */ new section

==Notable?==
I don't really think this page is notable. It could just be put on N's page. But I'd like more opinions. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
:N's Pokemon are numerous, have specific stats (and even IV spreads), are a feature from Memory Link and capture of them all is required for N battle rematches and Zinzolin offering Ghetsis's translations of the Abyssal Ruins. In addition he has indeed used nearly all of these Pokemon in battles from Black/White with just small exceptions (Darmanitan and Zorua). I think it's enough to make the page notable for documenting the Pokemon. [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 01:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

:If we were to put all of this on N's page, it would be an eyesore. There would be too much data for one to view on N's page, and then there would be a lot of complaints. To prevent that, I put N's Pokémon received in Black 2 and White 2 on a separate page because it is a separate event that takes place, and is well worth its own page. [[User:Zorocario|Zorocario]] ([[User talk:Zorocario|talk]]) 03:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
::I think this article is important for a few reasons. The main reason is the proccess to obtain them, which is a chalenge in itself. Also they are essential in order to do certain events like battles with N. Also I agree that if these Pokémon were listed on his page it would become an eyesore and it would make the page very long. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 14:28, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
::I have to correct Chicobo. You don't need these Pokémon, it's a rumor (I have only {{p|Zorua}}). Yes, I got Zinzolin event, not sure if it is required, but today I catched N's dragon and Kyurem, and now he is at Ferris Wheel (apparently he is only at Friday; though Tetsu or Ruri can appear instead if the player didn't do their events. I didn't, so I had to talk to them first, then re-enter amusement park for N to appear). Anyway, after riding on the Ferris wheel, you can go battle N in his castle. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 11:03, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
== Small thing to fix ==

In the trivia, it says that Darmanitan is the only Pokemon to have an Ability. It should say that it is the only Pokemon with a Dream World ability. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 09:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

== Zorua/Zoroark ==

In the final battle in BW, N has a Zoroark. However, in B2W2, Rood gives you a Zorua. This implies that N had or has a Zoroark, and had the Zorua. If this page is staying, I think this should probably go somewhere on here. [[User:MatchMaster|MatchMaster]] ([[User talk:MatchMaster|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/MatchMaster|Contribs]]) 13:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
:It's not just implied. It's outright shown. You meet his Zoroark in Victory Road and it allows you to go to N's Castle. It does mention that he doesn't use the Zorua in battle, as it is the one from his childhood that is shown in BW's opening, but I'm not sure if Zoroark needs to be mentioned. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 13:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
::It doesn't. Zoroark is completely irrelevant to this page. [[User:Zorocario|Zorocario]] ([[User talk:Zorocario|talk]]) 23:52, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

== Possible Style Change ==

Since these pokemon already have predetermined values and whatnot, I suggest that the boxes be reformatted like the event pokemon:
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Purrloin|
gender=♂|
level=7|
ndex=509|
typea=Dark|
met=Route 2|
type1=Normal|move1=Scratch|
type2=Normal|move2=Growl|
ability=1|
ability1=Limber|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}

It's a minor change but I feel it's better... --'''[[Special:Contributions/Azurillglow2mlw7|Azurill]][[User talk:Azurillglow2mlw7|glow2]][[User:Azurillglow2mlw7|mlw7]]''' 00:27, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

:I actually thought about that. I think since we can just name the location of where to obtain them as is, we can just use these. I think it's a good idea. [[User:Zorocario|Zorocario]] ([[User talk:Zorocario|talk]]) 18:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
::Here are all the others, if no one's against it, I'll put them onto the page right now:
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Pidove|
gender=♂|
level=13|
ndex=519|
types=2|
typea=Normal|
typeb=Flying|
met=Pinwheel Forest|
type1=Flying|move1=Gust|
type2=Normal|move2=Growl|
type3=Normal|move3=Leer|
type4=Normal|move4=Quick Attack|
ability=1|
ability1=Big Pecks|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Timburr|
gender=♂|
level=13|
ndex=532|
typea=Fighting|
met=Pinwheel Forest|
type1=Fighting|move1=Low Kick|
type2=Normal|move2=Focus Energy|
type3=Normal|move3=Leer|
type4=Normal|move4=Bide|
ability=1|
ability1=Guts|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Tympole|
gender=♂|
level=13|
ndex=535|
typea=Water|
met=Pinwheel Forest|
type1=Normal|move1=Supersonic|
type2=Normal|move2=Growl|
type3=Water|move3=BubbleBeam|
type4=Normal|move4=Round|
ability=1|
ability1=Swift Swim|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Sandile|
gender=♂|
level=22|
ndex=551|
types=2|
typea=Ground|
typeb=Dark|
met=Desert Resort|
type1=Dark|move1=Assurance|
type2=Dark|move2=Embargo|
type3=Ground|move3=Sand Tomb|
type4=Ground|move4=Mud-Slap|
ability=1|
ability1=Intimidate|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Scraggy|
gender=♂|
level=22|
ndex=559|
types=2|
typea=Dark|
typeb=Fighting|
met=Desert Resort|
type1=Normal|move1=Swagger|
type2=Fighting|move2=Brick Break|
type3=Normal|move3=Headbutt|
type4=Dark|move4=Faint Attack|
ability=1|
ability1=Shed Skin|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Darumaka|
gender=♂|
level=22|
ndex=554|
typea=Fire|
met=Desert Resort|
type1=Fire|move1=Fire Punch|
type2=Normal|move2=Headbutt|
type3=Normal|move3=Facade|
type4=Normal|move4=Uproar|
ability=1|
ability1=Hustle|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Sigilyph|
gender=♂|
level=22|
ndex=561|
types=2|
typea=Psychic|
typeb=Flying|
met=Desert Resort|
type1=Normal|move1=Whirlwind|
type2=Psychic|move2=Psybeam|
type3=Flying|move3=Tailwind|
type4=Flying|move4=Air Cutter|
ability=1|
ability1=Wonder Skin|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Darmanitan|
gender=♂|
level=35|
ndex=555|
typea=Fire|
met=Desert Resort|
type1=Normal|move1=Thrash|
type2=Normal|move2=Belly Drum|
type3=Fire|move3=Flare Blitz|
type4=Fighting|move4=Hammer Arm|
ability=1|
ability1=Zen Mode|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Zorua|
level=25|
gender=m|
ndex=570|
typea=Dark|
met=Driftveil City|
type1=Normal|move1=Fury Swipes|
type2=Dark|move2=Faint Attack|
type3=Normal|move3=Scary Face|
type4=Dark|move4=Taunt|
ability=1|
ability1=Illusion|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Woobat|
level=55|
gender=m|
ndex=527|
types=2|
typea=Psychic|
typeb=Flying|
met=Wellspring Cave|
type1=Flying|move1=Air Slash|
type2=Psychic|move2=Future Sight|
type3=Psychic|move3=Psychic|
type4=Normal|move4=Endeavor|
ability=1|
ability1=Unaware|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Ferroseed|
level=28|
gender=m|
ndex=597|
types=2|
typea=Grass|
typeb=Steel|
met=Chargestone Cave|
type1=Steel|move1=Metal Claw|
type2=Bug|move2=Pin Missile|
type3=Steel|move3=Gyro Ball|
type4=Steel|move4=Iron Defense|
ability=1|
ability1=Iron Barbs|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Boldore|
level=28|
gender=m|
ndex=525|
typea=Rock|
met=Chargestone Cave|
type1=Ground|move1=Mud-Slap|
type2=Rock|move2=Smack Down|
type3=Rock|move3=Power Gem|
type4=Steel|move4=Iron Defense|
ability=1|
ability1=Sturdy|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Joltik|
level=28|
gender=m|
ndex=595|
types=2|
typea=Bug|
typeb=Electric|
met=Chargestone Cave|
type1=Electric|move1=Electroweb|
type2=Bug|move2=Bug Bite|
type3=Poison|move3=Gastro Acid|
type4=Normal|move4=Slash|
ability=1|
ability1=Compoundeyes|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
{{G5ievent|
pokemon=Klink|
level=28|
gender=|
ndex=599|
typea=Steel|
met=Chargestone Cave|
type1=Steel|move1=Gear Grind|
type2=Electric|move2=ThunderShock|
type3=Normal|move3=Bind|
type4=Electric|move4=Charge Beam|
ability=1|
ability1=Plus|
black=no|
white=no|
black2=yes|
white2=yes}}
::--'''[[Special:Contributions/Azurillglow2mlw7|Azurill]][[User talk:Azurillglow2mlw7|glow2]][[User:Azurillglow2mlw7|mlw7]]''' 22:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
:::I think that's much better because it gives people the information they actually want.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 12:53, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

==Encounter Rate==
What actually are the chances of meeting one of N's Pokémon? Does anyone know? [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 19:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

:Not sure myself only found Joltik and dont seem to have luck finding any others. The encounter rate is most likely somewhat low. -[[User:Cj1227|Cj1227]]

::The encounter rate appears to increase under some circumstances. I've encountered 5 N's Pokémon within the space of 30 minutes in Chargestone cave (knocked out 1, caught it on the 2nd attempt). --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] ([[User talk:Archaic|talk]]) 06:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

:::Ok. Should it be noted on this page that they come back when they faint? That seems to be something noteworthy. -[[User:Cj1227|Cj1227]]
::::It's already on the page. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 11:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::I wouldn't say it was low. I encountered Sigiliph twice (each time it used Whirlwind on me...) and Sandile straight after each other. 3 N's Pokémon encounters in three battles. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 12:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

== Natures ==

I tried to catch N's sandile so it had a adamant nature, so I kept soft reseting. But every time I caught it, it was docile. 20 times I tried. I think the natures may be preset. [[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] ([[User talk:Deoxys80|talk]]) 23:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Entralink

2012-10-12T16:48:01Z

Deoxys80: /* funfest missions */ new section

==Name origin==
Isn't "Entralink" some kind of company name already? And what the heck is it supposed to mean, anyway? I thought localisation was to make things easier to understand. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:[http://www.entralink.net/ It seems that it is a company], but so is [http://www.excadrill.com/ ExcaDrill]. I don't know where entra- comes from, but this is a forums discussion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:: I see. I thought place names and pokemon names would be treated the same. Fair enough. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I guess you could include a name origin section, but I find it better to discuss name origins on the forums, then add it when it's agreed on. If someone has a suggestion for "entra-", you could probably put it here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::: Good point. My best guess is because it's in the middle of the region, but it's a bit of a stretch. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well the Hilink contains the 'Hairu Tree', where 'hairu' can mean to enter, ('deru' in Deru Sphere is respectively, exit) so I guess it got simplified from that. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Entree ==

Does anyone have anymore information on the Entree, e.g. the levels pass powers are unlocked at, max lvl, etc. ?[[User:Inuichi|Inuichi]] 05:47, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

== Entralink draws inspiration from the Tokyo Imperial Palace. ==

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

The article doesn't explain how you connect with others in entralink. Me and my friend went to the entralink, both at the same time, when we stand on the bridges connecting worlds it keeps saying that it searches for other worlds. then we tried to connect when one of us stood in the entree forest, while the other one stood on the bridge, when we did that, it said connecting to friends world, please wait a moment, but it stopped trying to connect after a moment.

We would really want to know how to do it, as our white forests aren't that big. ♢ [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] ♢ 14:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:I actually did this today. One of you has to be in the normal world, at one of the Cities/Towns or Routes surrounding the Enralink. The other player must go into the Entralink to connect and enter the other player's world. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I have a question about this as well, actually. I've read something that seemed to suggest that a player of Black Version could catch Pokémon from White Forest if they did the Entralink with White Version. But a)I haven't been able to find any wild Pokemon in the grass while doing a mission in another world and b)I don't think there's a way to go into another player's world except during a mission. None of the resources I use (mainly Serebii and Bulbapedia) shed any light on the subject. Is there a way to encounter wild Pokémon in another world, or am I mistaken? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 18:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:You can't catch Pokémon in someone else's world. Also, you don't have to be in a mission to visit someone else's world, after having done the first mission you can tap the hexagons to warp straight after entering their world. There does seem to be a rough time limit of five minutes though. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 21:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::Follow up question to this. A very old post on another site said that both players had to have visited 6 cities before they can connect with entralink. I know that it doesn't have to be both players, but does it have to be for the person's world you're trying to connect to? (Come to think of it, requirement is strange since they introduce entralink to you early.) I'm asking since my friend can easily connect to my entralink (I'm at post game) but when I try to connect to his, the bridge is forever searching and he is only in the second city. [[User:Goddessofevil9|Goddessofevil9]] 15:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
:::To be visited, you must be in the hexagon, which begins at Nimbasa, the fourth gym city. This is because all the missions take place in the hexagon, for example you can't find the player to offer them an item if they're not in a visitable area. To visit someone else though you need only have the C-Gear, as long as they fulfill the above. It's stated iirc by an NPC that Unova was built in the shape of a hexagon in order to use the mysterious powers of the Entree Forest. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 23:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel Requirements (Possibly needs reformatting) ==

After collecting data from both games, I found Pass Powers whose level requirement is different in both games. The most obvious conflict is Capture Power. I found that it required White rather than Black Entralink levels. Another occured when I checked my Black version to find that Exp Point Power ↑↑ only required Lv 2 Black as opposed to the pre-existing requirement of 13. I figured that it might be from White if such a difference existed.

As well, Powers such as HP Restoring Power and Exp. Point Power in their first rank were given at the start. I think that they should be denoted as being available to start rather than looking incomplete. I'd request other people to help and sort out these requirements across the different versions. After realizing the differences, I've inserted the name of the version in brackets in which the requirement is sure to apply (from testing).

There should be 2 separate columns, one for white and one for black. I cannot sort them out myself because of ambiguity over which requirement was from which. Some requirements may even apply for both versions. But as of now, I don't know for sure. [[User:Galvantula|Galvantula]] 00:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:i'm playing white, so all my(the initial) requirements are from white. ---> '''[[User:AquaDragon|{{color|6890F0|Aqua}}]][[User_talk:AquaDragon|{{color|7038F8|Dragon}}]]''' 01:10, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Deepest Clearing ==

What's known about it? How is a pokemon "moved to the Deepest Clearing", and what's the effect? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 08:16, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
:You can either select "no" when the Pokémon asks to join your party, or run from a battle with one, and you will be given the option to send it to the Deepest Clearing. Moving it there just seems to clear out the Forest Clearing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Entree Forest ==
Both of the Pokémon I have gotten from the Dream World and caught here were at level 10. Is this always the case? I can't seem to find information on this anywhere, and I feel it should be mentioned somewhere on the wiki. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 14:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:Staravia's Level 14, Seaking's Level 33. The event Mamoswine was Level 34 and the event Arceus was Level 100, so no, it's not set. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 15:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Or to be more precise, each Pokémon's level is set, just set seperately. Each Pokémon just has a different level in the data, no lower than 10, with those of Evolved Pokémon usually around the level they evolve at. As such you can't ever get, say, a Level 34 Dream World Seaking. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
==Question==
How far in the game do you have to be to catch pokemon in the entree forest? I know that you have to beat the game to migrate from diamond, pearl, and platinum, and I was wondering if that is true with the entree forest pokemon as well or if you could catch them at any time. I went to my entree forest after a dream world visit and noticed a pokemon there I know in some games the pokemon can be there but you can't battle them until after you accomplish a certain task (ie: Regigigas in snowpoint city temple) or can you catch them at anytime after they appear even without having beat the game yet? Please let me know, thanks. {{unsigned|Lordofninjas1}}
:You can catch any Pokemon in the Entree Forest as soon as you get the C-Gear. Soon everyone outside Korea'll even be able to have a Lv.100 Arceus with only one badge. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 05:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
==Question==
I don't know if this was asked already or not, but is a Pokémon Black 2 game compatible with a normal Pokémon Black game for the Entralink missions? -[[User:Groudon 60|Groudon 60]] ([[User talk:Groudon 60|talk]]) 22:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

== funfest missions ==

should we make a section for funfest missions, or another article, or something? [[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] ([[User talk:Deoxys80|talk]]) 16:48, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Conquest

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== Canon? ==
Is this game canon? [[User:Metalfenix11|Metalfenix11]] 13:13, January 9 2012 (UTC)
:As the article says, it's a spinoff crossover. We can't be sure it's going to be canon or not, but it's mostly unlikely. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 13:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
::God. How on the Earth could it be canon? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

==Koei Wiki==
Here is a link to the Koei Wiki article of the game. [http://koei.wikia.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Plus_Nobunaga_no_Yabou]

I figure linking back to the Koei character articles would be best, rather than the normal Wikipedia historical figure profiles, since the characters take on the appearances and personalities of Koei's Samurai Warriors 3 interpretations. [[User:Ixbran|Ixbran]] 07:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

== New characters ==

I added new characters according to what is written on Koei's official wiki: http://koei.wikia.com/wiki/Pokémon_Plus_Nobunaga_no_Yabou#Other_characters [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] 20:10, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

== So, uh... ==

These characters, they are getting articles when the game comes out, right? Because that gallery is getting ridiculously large now. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 04:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
:I sure hope so. Trying to have info of all the characters and story on one page would be a bit much. :-( [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 04:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
::Most of them would, but for minor characters we could always go for something like [[List of Mystery Dungeon characters|this]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:38, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

== Possible trivia ==

Not sure if this would be worth including in the article, but the name of the area the player character begins in, Hajime (ハジメ), is Japanese for "beginning". The name of the domain that was historically Nobunaga's homeland is Owari (尾張, or オワリ in katakana) which with different kanji can mean "end". Since Nobunaga appears to be the final boss of the game, this means the players starts in the "beginning" and finishes at the "end". --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] 02:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
:if i may, i think we should pre-order a copy to do research on this game. I already pre-ordered mine today. ([[User:ReshiramHeroDes|ReshiramHeroDes]] ([[User talk:ReshiramHeroDes|talk]]) 23:55, 11 June 2012 (UTC))
::I pre-ordered the Japanese version, actually. :) I just forgot about this comment here. Whoops. Still unsure whether that merits trivia, though, since obviously Nobunaga's domain isn't called Owari in the game (which makes sense, since Ransei isn't Japan). --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] ([[User talk:ACDragonMaster|talk]]) 04:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

== First crossover game ==

Pokémon already had another crossover game aside from Smash Bros. with the Mystery Dungeon-series. Although Chunsoft primarily borrows licensed characters for their games , it remains a crossover in my opinion (because the Smash Bros. crossover is similar, aside from the game genre.) - and thus - should be stated.

[[User:Renoir|Renoir]] 15:56, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:Is Mystery Dungeon really a crossover? There is no characters outside the Pokémon franchise (if I am wrong, say it), while both this and the Smash Bros series ''have'' such characters. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 16:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

It is, between the Mystery Dungeon Series and Pokémon. Mystery Dungeon has also crossovers with other series, such as Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy. The Wikipedia article provides further information, and since the content is rather consistent, i don't think they just created the games for the purpose of trolling readers. Pokémon Mystery Dungeon although, seems to be the most well-known Mystery Dungeon crossover.
[[User:Renoir|Renoir]] 17:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Pokémon Conquest ==
The [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-conquest/ official site] has stated that the game will be called Pokémon Conquest outside of Japan and will be released in the US on June 18, 2012. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 12:54, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

== American Rating (ESRB) confirmed! ==

The Entertainment Software Rating Board of America (ESRB) confirmed that the rating of this title is E for Everyone for Mild Cartoon Violence and Mild Suggestive Themes.
 
 
[[User:Pikachu4170|Pikachu4170]] 14:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

== Character list + starting to add more information... ==

Given the sheer number of images in the article, as well as the number of characters in the game, would it be more appropriate to move most the images to a separate gallery linked from the article instead? That would allow for more room for character information and make the article look less cluttered.

Also, I'm starting to work on adding more detailed information on the game, as this page is pretty sorely lacking, but since the English version isn't out yet I'm having to rely on terms used in the Japanese version (or their translations) for the time being. If anyone has a better translation or something official in English comes out, please do fix it. --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] 21:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
:Eventually all the characters will get their own pages and the images will be removed from this page. Chances are this will be after the English release though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
They say each side has a team of 6(naturally) and your starter is eevee, so how do get the other 5?{{unsigned|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP}}
::Well, yes, but I can add at least some basic information and clean up the page ''now'' like I did for the Ransei page, which would make it easier to edit later and more informational in the mean time. I'm just enough of a noob at wikicode that I don't want to accidentally screw up the images somehow... --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] 01:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
::You recruit more Warlords to use. Guess I forgot to mention the bit about recruit them, I'll go add that in. XD --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] 01:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Yes, but making a separate page just for a gallery is going to make it harder to sort things out when we give the characters pages, as it will need to be deleted once they all get pages. The gallery is quite long right now, but it isn't really causing any problems. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Side stories ==
Why is there no information on the side stories unlocked after the main game is completed? --[[User:Questioner|Questioner]] ([[User talk:Questioner|talk]]) 10:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
:Cause no one really has gotten around to do it. You can add it if you have the information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

== Episodes, not stories. ==

I think all uses of the word "stories" in this article should be changed to "episodes" because that is what they are called on the official website. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] ([[User talk:PkmnChmp5|talk]]) 04:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:Game uses "story," so someone has to choose which to follow. Site or game? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|-tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26-]] 06:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
::That website is riddled with errors. Use what the game says. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

== lilligant password ==

I got the american lilligant password from nintendo zone. Can someone please put in in the passwords section. (it works): RwGxLbHRRk.
[[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] ([[User talk:Deoxys80|talk]]) 23:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Conquest

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Bulbapedia:Spading

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'''Spading''' (from the {{wp|Bartle Test}}) is the act of actively trying to learn about all aspects of a game. To that end, this page will contain a list of questions about the games that need to be researched, and will probably contain a list of answers for historical purposes.

There is a template for spading: [[Template:Spading]]. It is to be placed on the front page. Unless people start to dislike that, in which case it will belong on the talk page. Usage details are in the [[Template:Spading|template page]].

Note: Since it doesn't really matter, this talk page can be used as a less formal way of doing spading.

==Multiple generations==
===Randomness of specific pokemon===
I've noticed that though stats and nature of pokemon obtained as a prize at game corners are random (at least in fire red) their gender and ability remain the same, no matter how many times I try. Personality values as described in its page are stored as a single 32 digit number and randomized upon the pokemon being "created", does this then mean that on occasion it's not treated completely at random? If so, when? What pokemon have part of their personality values fixed?

==={{status|Confusion}}===
:''Status: Answered''
How is damage from confusion determined? Attack and defense stats both influence it, but is there a base power like normal attacks?
*'''Answer''': Smogon says that it's a 40-power move.

===Mimic/Sketch===
:''Status: Answered''
Can you Mimic Sketch?
* '''Answer:''' No, you can't. Right since Generation II, it just says that "But it failed!".

==={{m|Protect}}===
:''Status: Answered''
What is the accuracy of Protect after used once or more times in succession?
* '''Answer:''' Reduced by 50%. A detailed version available at the Protect/Detect page.

===Ghost===
:''Status: Answered''
In Generations I, II, and III, is ghost physical or special? The current page says it is physical, but Shadow Ball lowers special defense in previous generations, so why would it be physical?
* '''Answer:''' This is just the effect of the move. It is programmed that Shadow Ball lowers special defense, and this has nothing to do with the nature of the move. Oh, and it is physical by the way.

===Transform===
Some questions appear on the Talk page for {{m|Transform}}. These three have not been adequately answered:
* What happens when a Transformed Pokémon uses {{m|Baton Pass}}?
* In which generations does Transform fail to copy a foe during the semi-invulnerable turns of {{m|Dig}}, {{m|Fly}}, {{m|Bounce}}, etc?
* What happens when a Transformed Pokémon uses {{m|Sketch}}?
[[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 04:50, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:*Same effect as normal. It uses Baton Pass and all stat changes, substitutes, etc. transfer over to the new Pokémon. Transformed state does not transfer over.
:*Fails in IV, dunno about I-III.
:*It fails.
:'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
:To answer the second question, it fails in III and IV but it will transform into the opponent in generation I-II. [[User:ShinyGlaceon|ShinyGlaceon]] 16:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

===Serene Grace===

Does Serene Grace work in conjunction with held items such as King's Rock?
--[[User:Chromehawk|Chromehawk]] 23:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:*No. Items are calculated in after abilities are. if the King's Rock was calculated in beforehand, moves with a 30% chance of flinching normally would have a finishing calculation of 102%. It is calculated abilities, then items.
--[[User:Vlax|Vlax]]

==={{m|Take Down}}===

What happens if both the user and the opponent faint using this move, and it is both Trainers' last Pokémon? Who wins? [[User:TheTigerBuddy|TheTigerBuddy]] 19:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'd assume competitively it would count the same as a self-fainting caused by Destiny Bond or Explosion (the loser is the one who used it), but game coding, I've got no idea.
:If it happens in any in-game battles, include Battle Tower/Frontier matches, you lose regardless who used that recoil move. As for Wi-Fi/LAN battles, it probably counts as a draw (same as Selfdestruct or Destiny Bond KO's). ~ [[User:Solarys|Solarys]] 11:31, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
::The trainer whose Pokémon faints first is the loser. That's why Explosion faints the user ''before'' dealing damage in Generation V.[[User:LouisCyphre|
]] 21:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

===[[Shuckle|Shuckles]] and [[Drink#Berry_Juice|Berry Juice]]===

* How long does it take a shuckle to convert a berry into berry juice?
* How long does it then take to convert berry juice into rare candy?
* In which generations can berry juice and/or rare candies be obtained in this way?
* Is obtaining rare candies from shuckles even possible at all, or is it just a rumor?
* What kinds of berries can be converted into juice? Normal berries from Generation II can, of course, and the page for [[Oran Berry|Oran Berries]] say that they can be converted as well. Are there any others?

And so forth. --[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 23:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

-It doesn't work in generation IV. I can say that for certain, as I tried and even after days, my Shuckle still held an Oran Berry. Last I heard, it takes 24 hours to get Berry Juice in generation II, then another 24 hours to get a Rare Candy. However, I can't say this for certain --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 01:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

===[[Drought|Drought]] Vs. [[Drizzle|Drizzle]]===

When a Groudon, with Drought ability, and a Kyogre, with Drizzle ability, have a battle, does it rain or have bright sunlight? Do they cancel each other out? {{unsigned|Redriders180}}
:The ability of the faster Pokémon is activated first, the ability of the slower Pokémon is activated second. The slower Pokémon's weather condition would be in effect for the battle. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:02, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I have another question; in double/triple battles, does the order in which the Pokémon are sent out affect which condition remains in effect?
:No, only speed determines the remaining weather. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 23:33, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

===Critical Hits and Evasion===
Critical Hits ignore stat changes that would be disadvantageous to the user, but does this include boosts to the foe's evasion and drops to the user's accuracy? If so, then in what generations?
:According to the [[critical hit]] article, discrimination among stat changes only occurs when calculating damage, which accuracy & evasion have no effect on (unless there's some obscure move or ability that I don't know about). —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 04:21, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

===Badges boosting stats===
Apparently badges in Generations I-III boost stats. How do they boost them? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:30, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what generations this applies to, but the badges that are said to boost a certain stat give a 9/8 multiplier to that stat so if you had a pokemon with a speed stat of 8 and obtained a THUNDERBADGE, it would immediately rise to 9. Any pokemon caught will immediately be boosted in their respective stats as well. When a pokemon levels up or recieves EV-enhancing vitamins, the pokemon's stats ''without'' the badge-boost will be affected and then the boost will be re-applied to the enhanced stat(s). Also, the boost affects moves (and abilities like speed boost) that raise or lower stats, so if the aforementioned pokemon used agility to double its speed, it would add 9 for the double in speed and another 1 (rounded from 1.125) for the badge-boost affecting the extra nine added by the move. [[User:AJRubyVersion|AJRubyVersion]] 00:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC) *and credit to gamefaqs.com[http://www.gamefaqs.com] for the beginning information and getting me into studying this independently*
:Turns out Ultimate Pokémon Center has the info for each generation. In Gen I and II, the stat is multiplied by 9/8, and in Gen II this boost is ignored if the attack is a critical hit and the attacker's Attack/Special Attack stat stage is less than or equal to the opponent's Defense/Special Defense stat stage. In Gen III, the stat is multiplied by 1.1. From Gen IV onwards, there is no boost. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:15, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

===Trainers===
What is the formula/program trainers use to choose what to do? [[User:BanetteWobbuffet|BanetteWobbuffet]] 17:03, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

==[[Generation III]]==
===[[Fossil]]s===
:''Status: Answered''
The [[Root and Claw Fossils]] are in the coding for {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, while the [[Old Amber]] and [[Dome and Helix Fossils]] are in the coding for {{game|Emerald}}. What happens if they are obtained through hacking and taken to the [[Pokémon Lab]] on [[Cinnabar Island]] or [[Devon Corporation]] in [[Rustboro City]]? Can you obtain an {{p|Anorith}} in FireRed and LeafGreen? A {{p|Kabuto}} in Emerald?
*'''Answer:''' Coding shows that the game does not recognize them as fossils, so they will not be resurrected.
Ok, so what if you trade them over, equipped to a Pokémon, after receiving the National Dex?
*Not possible in [[Generation III]]. Fossils are [[key items]] in that generation, and key items have never been tradable.

===[[Shadow move]]===
Which stats do Shadow Moves rely on? Attack and Defense or Special Attack and Special Defense? [[User:Chosen|Chosen of Mana]] 17:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
*'''Answer:''' Moves that Physically harm the opponent (generally ones that make [[contact]]), like {{m|Shadow Rush}} and {{m|Shadow Blitz}}, are Physical moves and therefore rely on the Attack and Defense stats. Shadow moves that don't physically hit the opponent, such as {{m|Shadow Fire}} and {{m|Shadow Bolt}}, are Special and use the Sp. Attack and Sp. Defense stats. So, technically, Shadow moves were the first moves to be split between Physical and Special.

That brings up a new question: Which Shadow Moves rely on Attack and Defense? Which rely on Special Attack and Special Defense? - '''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]''' 01:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:{{m|Shadow Blitz}}, {{m|Shadow Break}}, {{m|Shadow End}}, and {{m|Shadow Rush}} are all Physical and {{m|Shadow Blast}}, {{m|Shadow Bolt}}, [[Shadow Chill (move)|Shadow Chill]], {{m|Shadow Fire}}, {{m|Shadow Rave}}, {{m|Shadow Storm}}, and {{m|Shadow Wave}} are Special.—[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 22:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

==[[Generation IV]]==
===[[Pokémon breeding]]===
There's some oddity in the number of steps it takes to hatch an egg. The steps between egg hatches when holding multiple eggs is always divisible by 255 (minimum difference of 510), even if the steps between receiving them are not. It happens consistently when
*{{a|Magma Armor}} or {{a|Flame Body}} are on
*while holding multiple eggs from the same parents
*when some eggs are received while others are being held
There's probably a common counter for all eggs in the party, which, when it rolls over, decrements all egg counters by 1. However, this doesn't explain the "divisible by 255" part.
:Partial answer: [[Egg cycles]]. Just need to get persimmons from Smogon to adapt that into an article here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

'''Comment : This may deserve a page by itself since there is a whole lot of info. BUT ... '''

* Step 1.
** Case A : The HP IV is passed on from either parent (1/6)
** Case B : The DEF IV is passed on from either parent (1/6)
** Case C : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (4/6)

* Step 2.
** Case A1 : The DEF IV is passed on from either parent (1/5)
** Case A2 : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (4/5)
** Case B1 : The DEF IV is passed on from either parent (1/5)
** Case B2 : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (4/5)
** Case C1 : The DEF IV is passed on from either parent (1/5)
** Case C2 : The same IV is passed on from either parent (1/5)
** Case C3 : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (3/5)

* Step 3 :
** Case A1 : A random IV is passed on from either parent (4/4)
** Case A2A : The same IV is passed from a parent (1/4)
** Case A2B : Random IV is passed on from a parent (3/4)
** Case B1A : A same IV as Step 1 is passed on from either parent (1/4)
** Case B1B : Random IV is passed on from either parent ( 3/4 )
** Case B2A : The same IV from step 2 is passed on (1/4)
** Case B2B : A Random IV is passed on (3/4)
** Case C1A : The same IV as step one is passed on (1/4)
** Case C1B : A Random IV is passed on From either parent. (3/4)
** Case C2A : The same IV is passed on from either parent (1/4)
** Case C2B : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (3/4)
** Case C3A : The same IV from step 1 is passed on (1/4)
** Case C3B : The same IV from step 2 is passed on (1/4)
** Case C3C : A Random IV is passed on from either parent (2/4)

Okay now we can combine the steps.
* Case A1 - 3 stats (1/6 * 1/5 * 4/4) = 4/120
* Case A2A - 2 Stats (1/6 * 4/5 * 1/4) = 4/120
* Case A2B - 3 stats (1/6 * 4/5 * 3/4) = 12/120
* Case B1A - 1 Stats (1/6 * 1/5 * 1/4) = 1/120
* Case B1B - 2 Stats (1/6 * 1/5 * 3/4) = 3/120
* Case B2A - 2 Stats (1/6 * 4/5 * 1/4) = 4/120
* Case B2B - 3 stats (1/6 * 4/5 * 3/4) = 12/120
* Case C1A - 2 Stats (4/6 * 1/5 * 1/4) = 4/120
* Case C1B - 3 Stats (4/6 * 1/5 * 3/4) = 12/120
* Case C2A - 1 Stats (4/6 * 1/5 * 1/4) = 4/120
* Case C2B - 2 Stats (4/6 * 1/5 * 3/4) = 12/120
* Case C3A - 2 Stats (4/6 * 3/5 * 1/4) = 12/120
* Case C3B - 2 Stats (4/6 * 3/5 * 1/4) = 12/120
* Case C3C - 3 Stats (4/6 * 3/5 * 2/4) = 24/120

A quick check with the calculator and thankfully it adds up to 120/120. Now combining the possibilities ...
* 3 Stats inherited 3 random
** A1 + A2B + B2B + C1B + C3C =
*** 4+12+12+12+24 =
****64/120
* 2 Stats inherited 4 random
** A2A + B1B + B2A + C1A + C2B + C3A + C3B =
*** 4+3+4+4+12+12+12 =
**** 51/120
* 1 Stat inherited 5 random
** B1A + C2A =
*** 1+4 =
**** 5/120

That makes an easier chart of
* 3 Stats = 8/15 or 53.333%
* 2 Stats = 17/40 or 42.500%
* 1 Stat = 1/24 or 04.167%

So how do you maximize your total Stats?
Do you got two pokemon who can breed with max HP and max DEF?
[[User:Chromehawk|Chromehawk]] 19:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Chrome
:That information is available on Smogon as well. If that information is not already incorporated, an admin ought to ask Smogon if we can use that information too.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 01:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

===[[Turnback Cave]]===
How does the game determine which kind of room comes next for each entrance? Is there any way to determine if the room the player is entering into will be a pillar room before entering it, or is getting through the cave in three rooms just dumb luck? Each room has four exits, the one the player came from warps them back to the entrance room, while the other three may take the player to several types of rooms filled with rocks or a pillar room.

*''Partial Answer:'' Go to Turnback Cave, take a random room in first room/pillar room, look for the odd rock pattern, approx. 70% of the time I get a pillar. --[[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]]. 15:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

*''Rest of Answer:'' There is no way to get through the Cave like you can [[Lost Cave]]. I have gone through Turnback Cave 20 times now, I have learned that the exit to the pillar room is moved every time you reboot/enter a room. Also, the room count is reset every time you get back to the frist room. It is just dumb luck getting though the cave and into Girarina's room. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 19:34, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

==={{a|Flash Fire}}===
;Status: Answered and added to the article
The current page says that Flash Fire will activate when the user is burned. However, Flash Fire nullifies Fire attacks, and thus the only moves that can possibly burn a Flash Fire user are {{m|Will-O-Wisp}} and {{m|Tri Attack}}. [[Flame Orb]] and {{a|Flame Body}} can also cause a burn.

'''The question''': Does a burn really activate Flash Fire, or did the contributor see an interaction between Will-O-Wisp and Flash Fire and interpreted it incorrectly?

Will-O-Wisp is possibly nullified, since it's a Fire move, and [http://www.gamespot.com/ds/rpg/pokemondiamond/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-41882499&pid=925601 Google says] that Flame Orb does not get nullified, so the only case is Tri Attack. Does causing a burn with Tri Attack activate Flash Fire?

Burn does not activate Flash Fire. Tri-Attack, Flame Body, and flame orb, and being the victim of Synchronize/Psycho Shift)can cause burns while not being fire moves should the Pokemon with Flash Fire not be a Fire Type.(All legal Flash Fire Pokemon are Fire types, and thus Immune to burn anyways, which is probably why most would think burn activates it. Flash Fire can be put on Non-Fire types via Skill Swap, Role Play, Trace, or hacking). Similarly, Electivire, Jolteon, and Volt-Absorb Lanturn(As well as Ground Types) can still get Paralyzed by Non-Electric moves. [[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 18:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

==={{a|Iron Fist}}===
:''Status: Answered''
Is the list of moves that count as punches complete? Are there any punches which can't usually be learned by Hitmonchan, yet are boosted by Iron Fist?
* The Mystery Dungeon compatible moves are all tested, as shown on talk page. Were any other moves described as a punch missed?
*'''Answer''': Testing shows Iron Fist only boosts punches compatible with Hitmonchan at some point.
** The above statement is wrong. See talk page for Iron Fist for reasoning to real answer.
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==={{p|Shaymin}}===
Some of my friends have told me that Shaymin's Sky Form isn't usable on wi-fi... we need to find out for sure. And to that end, test Rotom's forms. (Would I not be able to use an adorable specimen like him to fight with my friends online? ;_;)
*''Partial answer:'' When going to Wi-fi, Giratina's Platinum Orb is taken off and Shaymin reverts to Land Forme. It's part of the games coding based from what I read some time ago. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 01:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

If this applies to the forms of Shaymin and Giratina,it is probably because the forms aren't programmed into the Diamond and Pearl versions.In order to be able to interact with D/P,this has to be done.Therefore I find it safe to assume that Rotom will also reverse into it's normal form.
[[User:Uxie legend]] 15:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Shaymin's Sky Forme is allowed on Wi-Fi in some way. On the page for Platinum version, there is an image of a Wi-Fi battle with Shaymin's Sky Forme.

It's most likely a Local Wireless battle. The forme lockout only applies to Wi-Fi as of now. The alternate formes work fine using local wireless, even when playing against D/P users. The forms work in D/P by having Platinum sorta Patch D/P with knowledge of the items and stats(Though the sprites will look like their normal forme on the D/P user's end. This patching also makes Hypnosis have 60% accuracy over D/P's 70%). I've also seen people able to bypass the Wi-Fi forme lockout using cheats as well, so it has nothing to do with D/P incompatibilities[[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 18:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

==={{a|Solid Rock}}===
:''Status: Answered''
Different sites give different percentages by which damage is reduced with this ability, and from the talk page, this still isn't resolved. What exactly is the correct factor?

I once did a Damage calculation where Solid Rock was considered to lower Super Effective Damage by 2/3rds(1.33 over 2x, and 2.66 over 4)(It was a Max Special Attack Kyogre in Rain using Water Spout on both Solid Rock Pokemon after having a 2.5 Increase to Special Defenses, and Light Screen up, with Camerupt and Rhyperior having Max HP and some Special Defense EV's as well, so that they would survive with about 1-10 HP left afterwards)and after testing it in actual gameplay, it did just as much damage as my calculator estimated it would. All my other calculations using the 2/3rds modifier usually matched up with gameplay to a T. I believe 2/3rds damage reduction is the accurate modifier. [[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 18:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

If you tested it in-game instead of on an online simulator, then that's good enough for me. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 16:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

==={{m|Crush Grip}} and {{p|Combusken}}===
:''Status: Answered''
Throughout places related to Pokémon Battle Revolution, there is talk of a Combusken which knows Crush Grip. Which Colosseum is this Combusken found in, and is it really Crush Grip or Crush Claw?

'''Answer''': It's in the [[Sunset Colosseum]], and it's Crush Claw. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 20:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

==={{m|Fire Fang}} and Platinum===
Can Fire Fang bypass {{a|Wonder Guard}} in Platinum like it can in Diamond and Pearl?
:Yes [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 19:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

==={{m|Future Sight}} failing===
Sometimes, when Future Sight is used, it goes like "The foe's/wild __________ took the Future Sight Attack! But it failed!" Why does it do this?
*Future Sight has 90% accuracy. "But it failed" triggers when Future Sight misses.

*The same goes for {{m|Doom Desire}} and its 85% accuracy as well.

==={{a|Reckless}}===
Reckless increases power of moves which cause [[recoil]]. Exactly what attacks are affected by Reckless, and does Reckless affect the amount of recoil as well?

See also {{a|Talk:Reckless}}.

The attacks that could be affected by Reckless if Hitmonlee could learn them would be {{m|Volt Tackle}}, {{m|Wood Hammer}}, {{m|Brave Bird}}, {{m|Flare Blitz}} and {{m|Head Smash}}. The moves that '''are''' affected are {{m|Struggle}}, {{m|Submission}}, {{m|Jump Kick}}, {{m|Take Down}}, {{m|Double-Edge}}, and {{m|Hi Jump Kick}}. The amount of recoil is affected. ~Steel Phoenix

==={{m|Hypnosis}}===
In Diamond and Pearl Hypnosis has a base accuracy of 70%, and in Platinum, 60%. How is the accuracy calculated in a battle between Pearl and Platinum? or it becomes 65%?
* It says above, in the Shaymin section, that Platinum's accuracy takes precedence in a local wireless battle. Dunno about over Wi-Fi, but I'd guess DP rules are used there. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 19:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

==={{a|Technician}}===
Technician increases the base power of the user's moves that have a base power of 60 and/or below. Since {{Status|Confusion}} inflicts a base power 40 typeless attack onto the affected Pokémon, does Technician affect this self-inflicted damage as well?

See also {{a|Talk:Technician}}.
:I'm pretty sure it's just talking about moves. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 17:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

==={{a|Magic Guard}} and {{m|Toxic Spikes}}===
Does Magic Guard protect the Pokémon from contracting poison due to Toxic Spikes? See {{a|Talk:Magic Guard}}. [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 05:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

* It can get poisoned but won't take any poison damage between turns. ~ [[User:Solarys|Solarys]] 02:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

==={{a|No Guard}}===
:''Status: Answered''
Does No Guard affect all the Pokemon in a double battle? Or just between the one Pokemon and the one he/she is fighting at the moment? [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 23:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:No Guard only affects user and target. Seems last test I did was me getting lucky. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 22:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

===[[Micle Berry]]===
How much does the Micle Berry raise accuracy of the next move by? Or will it always hit? [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 23:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
* The next selected move always hits; it's like an automatic lock-on. I've tested in game with Sheer Cold and it never missed after using Micle berry. [[User:Solarys|Solarys]] 20:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

===[[Characteristic]]s===
What happens when multiple IVs are the highest ones? For example, 28 in Sp.A. and Speed, 30 in Def. and HP? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

* It picks a random one to display. ~ [[User:Solarys|Solarys]] 02:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

==={{a|Pickup}} and {{a|Trace}}===
If a Pokémon traces Pickup, could it have an item it found after battle (assuming it wasn't already holding one? The same goes for {{a|Honey Gather}}. --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 21:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
*No. {{a|Trace}} is only temporary. After battle, it's gone. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 15:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

===[[Evasion]] and [[Accuracy]] in [[double battles]]===
Let's say I'm in a [[double battle]] and I have {{p|Vaporeon}} and {{p|Roserade}} on my side, against a trainer who has {{p|Garchomp}} and {{p|Pikachu}}. A [[Sandstorm]] is up (Garchomp gets +1 Evasion due to {{a|Sand Veil}}) and Pikachu used [[Double Team (move)|Double Team]] 3 times before. Vaporeon decides to use [[Surf (move)|Surf]], which affects all Pokémon on the field except the user. Does the move succeed or fail for all Pokémon, or could Pikachu (+3 Evasion) evade the attack while Garchomp (+1 Evasion) can't? For that matter, does the accuracy check (not just evasion) get re-done for each target Pokémon, or is it done only once when the move is about to be executed? [[User:Looce|Looce]] 23:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
* if Garchomp gets hit, and Pikachu does not, Garchomp will take damage, and for Pikachu, it will say "Pikachu avoided the attack!" (or something to that effect). as for an Accuracy check, it is re-done for each target Pokemon. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:38, 15 November 2009

==={{m|Counter}} and {{m|Mirror Coat}}===
Are Counter and Mirror Coat capable of damaging a Wondertomb or Wondereye, or any Pokémon with {{a|wonder Guard}}?
*No. Not only that, they are incapable of damaging a regular Spiritomb or Sableye, unless Miracle Eye and Odor Sleuth/Foresight is used on it. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

===Flinchax===
If a Togekiss is in battle against a paralyzed Pokémon, and it uses Air Slash with a King's Rock equipped and has the ability Serene Grace, then what is the probabilty of the opponent being able to attack? Is the probability of flinching and paralysis added up so the opponent has a 3% chance of attacking, or is the probabilty calculated so that the opponent has a 75% chance of attacking from paralysis, and then 72% of 75% is subracted so there is an ending probability of approximately 18%?
* It's calculated separately. The Pokémon would have a 29.4% (64% chance of flinching with King's Rock, 95% accuracy, 25% chance of paralysis) of attacking. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 01:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

===[[Heavy Ball]]===
In HeartGold and SoulSilver, when is the modifier for the Heavy Ball added into the catch rate calculation?--Mando Knight 03:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

It's calculated in at the same point any other Pokéball is calculated in.

((3*Max HP-2*Currrent HP)*rate*Pokéballl/(3*Max HP))*status {{unsigned|Vlax}}
:Except that for Heavy Ball it is added, not multiplied. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

In that case, I'd assume that it's added/subtracted from the Pokémon's catch rate (the "rate" value in the above equation)

=== Trainer Pokémon Stats ===

Do the Pokémon of Trainers and Gym Leaders not have stats, or are they just not listed here? --[[User:Stuart P. Bentley|Stuart P. Bentley]] 05:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:They can't NOT have stats. We just don't add them because it's not as relevant (that is, you can usually estimate their highest stats and such by what Pokémon it is). That said, I don't think this question even belongs on this page. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

==={{p|Kadabra}} and [[Everstone]]s===
Whenever I trade a Kadabra holding an Everstone, it evolves anyway. Is this intentional or just a glitch? Why does it happen? How far back does this even go? It's happened in Platinum and HeartGold. And of course, anyone who's traded for that Haunter in Snowpoint City knows that Everstones are SUPPOSED to stop trade evolutions from happening. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:What game is this from? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 15:34, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

==={{p|Shellos}} and {{p|Gastrodon}}===
Since there are two types of Shellos and Gastrodon, how does the game determine which type to make whenever you breed them? Is it based on location, in which case it will always make West Sea forme, randomly chosen, or based on the parent forme?
*From Shellos's article: ''the two forms are still able to interbreed (the child takes the mother's form).'' [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

==={{a|Magic Guard}} and abilities that cause damage===
Does Magic Guard protect against {{a|Rough Skin}}, {{a|Bad Dreams}}, and other such abilities? --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 00:42, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

===Starter Pokémon in Amity Square===
What are the items and and rarities of things that can be found by the forms of the starter Pokémon in Amity Square in Platinum?

===Host Questions===
For the most part, if there's a discrepancy between versions (e.g. Hypnosis has 70% accuracy in D/P but 60% in Pt/HG/SS), the game uses the host version to settle the dispute (e.g. if Diamond is the host, Hypnosis has 70% accuracy; if Platinum is the host, it has 60% accuracy). However, I have a couple of other questions:
*If a Japanese and an English game link up, is this still the case? In [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=648215&postcount=24 this post], it's stated that the English version always takes precedence, but he doesn't state which game is the host.
*Does the host still take precedence when "glitched" moves are involved? (e.g. The [[U-turn (move)#Effect|U-turn glitch]] only exists in Diamond/Pearl. If a Diamond player hosts, will the glitch still take effect on the Platinum game?) [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 00:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

=== Abilities or STAB ? ===

How is the base stat of, say Bullet Punch calculated by a Scizor with Technician ?
Does Technician double it and then STAB is taken into account or something else ? [[User:Stephen Keane|Stephen Keane]] 21:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:Seems it's base 90, nevermind [[User:Stephen Keane|Stephen Keane]] 12:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

==[[Generation V]]==
===Ring Target===
Does the ring target cause the holder to lose only immunities granted by their types, or by both their types and abilities?

:Reply: When I tested this, Earthquake failed on an [[Eelektross]] holding Ring Target. I can therefore conclude that the Ring Target removes only type-based immunities. [[User:Haxorus|Haxorus]] 13:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

===Everstone breeding===
If two parents with the same nature hold an everstone, then is there a higher chance of that nature being passed down? If the parents have different natures, then is there a high chance of either nature being passed down?

==={{m|Foul Play}}===
Although the target's attack and defense are used in damage calculation, whose attack modifiers are calculated? I swear it does less to the opponent damage when I'm burned, although I've never tested it.

===[[Sheer Force]]===
Moves with effects beneficial to the user are boosted and the effect is nullified, while moves with negative effects receive no boost and still have the effect. Do moves with both positive and negative effects lose both effects, or only the positive effect?
:Moves with a ''percent chance'' to do something are generally boosted, even if that chance is 100%. So, Fire Punch (10% Burn), Sacred Fire (50% Burn), and DynamicPunch (100% Confusion) are boosted. Hammer Arm (Always lowers speed) and Brave Bird (Always inflicts recoil) are not Boosted.A good frame of reference is Shield Dust or Serene Grace - Sheer Force boosts the same list of moves.

===[[Black City]]/[[White Forest]] trainers===
The trainers have individual set values (80/70 for the ones who are less likely to leave and 30/20 for those who are more likely to leave). Once Black City and White Forest are reached, talking to them/battling them adds ten points to their value counter. Do these characters cap at their original max value (80/70/30/20; meaning if you spoke to them for two weeks straight [140 points accumulated], then ignored them for five days, a character with a 20 point value would vanish), or do they obtain a surplus and stick around for as long as the gained points allow?

Considering I've left my game alone for 10 days or more, I believe it can be safely assumed that characters build up a surplus. --[[User:Vlax|Vlax]] 18:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

== Boost Calculation ==

If a sat boosting move or ability, such as victory star or sand veil, is activated, how is it applied? for example, a victini uses inferno. inferno has 50 accuracy. does the boost add 10 percent to the 50, or add 10 percent of 50? [[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] 18:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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== Grand Tour ==

Since i'm new here, i have no idea where things are. can someone show me around?

== Grand Tour ==

Since i'm new here, i have no idea where things are. can someone show me around? [[User:Deoxys80|Deoxys80]] 15:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

2011-01-28T23:55:04Z

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{{Unknown Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Tepig | next=Enboar| prevnum=498| nextnum=500| type=Fire|type2=Fighting }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
jname=チャオブー |
tmname=pignite |
size=170px |
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|chao-bu}}}''</sc> |
species=Fire Pig |
typen=2 |
type1=Fire |
type2=Fighting |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Blaze |
abilityd=Thick Fat |
ndex=499 |
udex=005 |
height-ftin=3'03" |
height-m=1 |
weight-lbs=122.4 |
weight-kg=55.5 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Ground|
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20|
expyield=146 |
lv100exp=1,059,860|
gendercode=31|
color=Red |
catchrate=45|
evat=2|
body=Unknown |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''チャオブー''' ''Chaoboo'') is a dual-type {{2t|Fire|Fighting}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s from {{p|Tepig}} starting at [[level]] 17, and evolves into {{p|Enbuoh}} starting at level 36.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Chaoboo is a chubby pig-like Pokémon that sports orange, black, and yellow coloration. Tiny beginnings of tusks protrude from the lower jaw of its wide mouth, and its black, tapered ears are on the top of its head. The black coloration from there extends down to its nose, which, like its pre-evolution Tepig, is red and piglike. Black coloration encompasses the shoulders, sides, and underbelly of Chaoboo, which could be said to resemble the garb of a wrestler of some sort. Gold-colored, swirling features adorn its chest on the black pattern, and the pattern forms spiky shapes on the lower underbelly. The forelimbs of Chaoboo have glove-like patterns, with gold bands at the “wrists” and black at the tips of the “hands”, which have two claws. Its legs are small with a single nailed toe, and its curled, wiry black tail is tipped with a puffy feature.

====Gender differences====
None

===Special abilities===
It can flare up the fire inside its body to make itself stronger and faster. When it is angered, its fire heats up.

===Behavior===
Chaoboo uses food as fuel for the burning fire inside its belly. When it's in trouble, it blows smoke.

===Habitat===

===Diet===

==In the anime==
[[File:Bianca Chaoboo.png|250px|thumb|right|Chaoboo in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Chaoboo made its debut appearance in [[BW013]] under the ownership of {{ga|Bianca}}.

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Chaoboo (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|gen=5
|blackdex={{tt|たいないの　ほのおが　もえあがるとうごきの　キレと　スピードが　ます。ピンチになると　けむりを　ふきだす。|When the fire inside its body flares up, its sharpness and speed increases. When it's in trouble it emits smoke.}}
|whitedex={{tt|たべた　ものを　ねんりょうにして　いぶくろで　ほのおを　もやすのだ。おこると　かりょくが　あがる。|The things it eats turn into fuel to burn the fire within its stomach. Its heating power increases when it's mad.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Fire|
type2=Fighting|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Unknown|
bwarea=Evolve {{p|Tepig}} |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Fire|
type2=Fighting|
HP= 90 |
Attack= 93 |
Defense=55 |
SpAtk= 70 |
SpDef= 55 |
Speed= 55 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=fire|
type2=fighting|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 25 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 50 |

notes=yes|
thickfat=maybe|
newfire=¼|
newice=¼}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Chaoboo|Fire|Fighting|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tail Whip|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Ember|Fire|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Odor Sleuth|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|3|Tail Whip|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|7|Ember|Fire|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Odor Sleuth|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Nitro Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Arm Thrust|Fighting|Physical|15|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Smog|Poison|Special|20|70|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|23|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Heat Stamp|Fire|Physical|—|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|39|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|44|Head Smash|Rock|Physical|150|80|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|47|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|52|Flare Blitz|Fire|Physical|120|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Chaoboo|Fire|Fighting|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Chaoboo|Fire|Fighting|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM43|Nitro Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM47|Ankle Sweep|Fighting|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Canon|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echo Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Devastate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Smooth Over|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Cheer Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Chaoboo|Fire|Fighting|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Chaoboo|Fire|Fighting|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|363|Spheal}}{{MSP|364|Sealeo}}{{MSP|365|Walrein}}{{MSP|432|Purugly}}|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|216|Teddiursa}}{{MSP|217|Ursaring}}{{MSP|263|Zigzagoon}}{{MSP|264|Linoone}} {{MSP|287|Slakoth}}{{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}|Covet|Normal|Physical|40|100|40||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|399|Bidoof}}{{MSP|400|Bibarel}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10||||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|527|Woobat}}{{MSP|528|Kokoromori}}|Endeavor|Normal|Status|—|100|5||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|320|Wailmer}}{{MSP|321|Wailord}}|Heavy Bomber|Steel|Physical|—|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|050|Diglett}}{{MSP|051|Dugtrio}}{{MSP|232|Donphan}}{{MSP|322|Numel}}{{MSP|323|Camerupt}}|Magnitude|Ground|Physical|—|100|30||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|293|Whismur}}{{MSP|294|Loudred}}{{MSP|295|Exploud}}|Sleep Talk|Normal|Physical|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|399|Bidoof}}{{MSP|400|Bibarel}}{{MSP|554|Darumakka}}{{MSP|555|Darmanitan}}{{MSP|614|Tsunbear}}|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5||||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|128|Tauros}}{{MSP|216|Teddiursa}}{{MSP|217|Ursaring}} {{MSP|327|Spinda}}{{MSP|522|Blitzle}}{{MSP|523|Zeburaika}}{{MSP|551|Sandile}}{{MSP|552|Waruvile}}{{MSP|553|Waruvial}} {{MSP|554|Darumakka}}{{MSP|555|Darmanitan}}{{MSP|613|Kumasyun}}{{MSP|614|Tsunbear}}{{MSP|626|Buffalon}}|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|194|Wooper}}{{MSP|195|Quagsire}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|287|Slakoth}}{{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}} {{MSP|399|Bidoof}}{{MSP|400|Bibarel}}{{MSP|449|Hippopotas}}{{MSP|450|Hippowdon}}{{MSP|513|Pansear}}{{MSP|514|Baokkie}} {{MSP|517|Munna}}{{MSP|518|Musharna}}|Yawn|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}{{learnlist/breedf|Chaoboo|Fire|Fighting|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Chaoboo|fire|fighting|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Fire Oath|Fire|Special|50|100|10||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Chaoboo|fire|fighting|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=498
|name1=Tepig
|type1-1=Fire
|evotype1=Level
|level1=17
|sprite2=499
|name2=Chaoboo
|type1-2=Fire
|type2-2=Fighting
|evotype2=Level
|level2=36
|sprite3=500
|name3=Enbuoh
|type1-3=Fire
|type2-3=Fighting
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=fire |
type2=fighting |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Chaoboo |
ndex=499 |
}}

==Trivia==
* Chaoboo is the third evolved {{type|Fire}} starter in a row to be a dual-type {{2t|Fire|Fighting}} Pokémon, after {{p|Combusken}} and {{p|Monferno}}.
* Chaoboo is the only second stage of a [[Generation V]] [[starter Pokémon]] not seen on the [[a:File:BW anime.png|concept art]] of the {{series|Best Wishes}}.
* Chaoboo is the only Pokémon with a base stat total of 418.
* The {{p|Tepig}} family are the only Generation V [[starter Pokémon]] to have a [[signature move]], {{m|Heat Stamp}}.

===Origin===
Chaoboo is based on a {{wp|pig}} or {{wp|boar}} in a {{wp|professional wrestler}}'s or possibly a {{wp|lucha libre}}'s attire. It, its {{p|Tepig|prevolution}} and its {{p|Enbuoh|evolution}}, as stated by Ken Sugimori, were designed in a Chinese style. Because of its Chinese origin, it may have been based on {{wp|Zhu Bajie}}, a pig demon from the Chinese tale ''{{wp|Journey to the West}}''. {{p|Infernape}} is also based on another character from the novel, {{wp|Sun Wukong}}, and has a similar design.

====Name origin====
Its name seems to come from the Chinese 超 ''chāo'' (super) or 炒 ''chǎo'' ({{wp|sauté}}), and the Japanese 豚 ''buta'' (pig); or ブー bū, (oink).


{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Tepig | next=Enbuoh| prevnum=498| nextnum=500| type=Fire|type2=Fighting }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}



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