Talk:Zoroark (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2010-03-07T00:29:01Z

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==Name==
I thought I read somewhere that one way of transliterating the name would be “Zoroaaku”... “aku” is “evil”, right?( Note, I am NOT suggestinga pagemoeoranything dumb like that, I can clearly see that the official Romaji is Zoroark, I am just talking about name-origin stuff.) --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 11:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: Well on {{p|Zorua}}, they've noted that Zorro is Spanish for fox, which is likely the name origin. With {{p|Zoroark}}, it might be combined with either "Dark" or "Aku", and Zorua might be an altered form of that, similar to {{p|Lucario}} and {{p|Riolu}}. I'm pretty sure I read that transliteration too; correct me if I'm wrong, but the only difference in Zorua and Zoroark's names is "aku". [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
actually i translated it it really says; Aku Zorro... so litteraly Dark/Evil Fox so... [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 05:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Actually I translated it and ''Japanese does not work that way it's Zoroark this is not debatable''. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
i translated it on google translater so... [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 05:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::Google translate's known to do that, you know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

==Picture==
I was getting sick of seeing the image which had been ripped out of corocoro with the big rip on it so i put it into photoshop and added the bits that were missing but i dont know how to add it

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:Nice. But see, we are waiting for the official art to come out. It will not take us weeks to get them, I guess. The current image is okay for now. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::WATERMARK = BAD. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 13:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I think we should use this image for now (temporarily). Because its better than the current one on the article and the watermark won't be visible because headers are mostly small. We will change this image when a better picture will be available. What do you think?--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 13:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::No, because it has a watermark on it. We will wait. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh, okay. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 16:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I went back into photoshop and took the watermark off for you i hope its useable now :D - Louispierce

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:::::: Looks OK. --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 00:12, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: I think it is now supposed to uploaded onto the archives. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Huh? Isn't it already in the archives? I think it should go on the page, now that its ready. Unless, of course, everyone wants to keep the scan from CoroCoro. Spenfen
:::::::::No, this one is on photobucket. It needs to be uploaded to the bulbagarden archives, located [[a:Main Page|here]]. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, it is already uploaded on the archives, and has been for a couple days now. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Why was the pic removed?[[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 20:07, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, why was it removed? Was it because of the new one? [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 12:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Weight ==

Weight — 81.1 '''''meters'''''? LOL [[User:Santer|Santer]] 16:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Lol, I just noticed that thing. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 16:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::I'm allowed to screw up like that. We've had length/length in the TCG before. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:45, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Possibly based on a troll? ==

The face of Zoroark looks to be of a mix of a fox, wolf, and a [[wikipedia:Troll|troll]], due to its devilish smile. The pointed muzzle also reminds me of the [[wikipedia:Tengu|tengu's]]. - [[User:050294|050294]] 19:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe, but I think it is probably about 95% based on a {{wp|kitsune}}. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well, of course. I just thought this tidbit of info would be a nice addition to the origins section. - [[User:050294|050294]] 20:37, 11 February 2010

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

There's an article about Zoroark on [[:es:Zoroark|Pokéteca]] now, so can someone who has the ability to edit this article add in the interwiki link? I'd do it myself, but since it's protected... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 05:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:That sounds like a good idea --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']]

== Height/weight ==

i noticed that when you convert all of the pokemon's height/weight convert the length in meter to feet and inches it is the same as the us amount. So why doesn't it have it on the page? Zoroark's is 5'03" and it weighs 178lbs 13oz...[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 04:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Because there's no official height/weight as dictated by NoA yet. That's why I have the meters- and kilograms-only way: because if we don't know what way Nintendo's gonna round it when converting to English weights, then we can't put it in. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::For the height at least, NoA ALWAYS rounds the same way... ''all'' 1.6m Pokemon have been localized as 5'03". [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
see {{tt|someone agrees with me|and that's a rare occasion}}[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 06:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Sh, Ume, you're making me look bad in front of the users. You're supposed to unquestioningly support me. D: '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
look who's full of himself[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 06:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Look who missed the joke. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 16:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
look who's a jerk[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 21:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:look who's blocked --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 21:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Egg cycles and EV Yield ==

How do we know that there is only one egg cycle? Also, instead of 0 default EVs, shouldn't they be ? each? I dunno the specifics of unknown pokemon, but I really think it would be more practical to just mark '''all''' unknown characteristics as a ? --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 07:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree. [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 15:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Default is default. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== New images ==

Some new high-quality images of Zorua and Zoroark have been added to Pokémon-movie.jp, including anime pictures and the full Ken Sugimori artwork. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:In case you haven't noticed, the header pic on this article is exactly the same one on pokemon movie site. I mean, the users have already uploaded those pics. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, does that mean I didn't need to upload this? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't talking about this one. I was talking about the header image of this article (Header means the main image of this article). The image that you uploaded is also a good one and we can use it for their movie appearance. This one is looking good but try to upload images with '''png''' instead of '''PNG''' extension next time. Thank you. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::::They are anime arts. Only Sugimori arts are to be placed in the Pokémon article. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, we can use it for their MOVIE APPEARANCE in the future. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Redirect "Z" to Zoroark ==

Shouldn't we make Z a redirect to Zoroark because some people don't know about Zoroark? Spenfen
:I don't agree with you. That Z was used for the movie' purpose only, Z doesn't mean Zoroark (if we talk generally). So, I don't think that we should redirect it. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 17:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::I actually think that is a good idea, in case someone hasn't heard the real name. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Many people do call {{p|Porygon-Z|this guy}} Z as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::::There's also Z Unown. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== The Werewolf Pokemon ==

Zoroa is based entirely on a [[wikipedia:Wolf|wolf]] cub rather than a Fox cub, whilst it's evolved form is based on a [[wikipedia:Werewolf|werewolf]] for it's posture, and is a common use of name for this kind of creature. - [[User:Cynthia149|''Cynthia149'']] 07:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:Um... no? It's a fox, this is not really debatable. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== The new picture ==

The new version of the Zoroark image that has been uploaded doesn't look that great. It may be bigger than the older version but it's lower quality and distorted around the edges. I'd revert it but I'm not really sure how. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 16:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:Ya sure, I will help you. Just open [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Zoroark.png this link] and click on the '''revert button''' on the image which you want to use instead of current one and done. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 16:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::Oh of course, I should have noticed that! Thanks. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 17:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I've just reverted it but it still looks the same, does it just take a while to update? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You have to refresh. ;) Sometimes you just have to refresh on the actual image and everything updates. Sometimes it shows the old picture, but the new dimensions, so it stretches. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes that's what happened. Looks fine now though. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 21:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

==Pokemon Sunday==
Is there any information on today's Pokemon Sunday. Isn't there suppost to be info on Zoroark? [[User:Crazylegs24]] 19:44, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:Nope, just tiger poop. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

==Isn't Zoroark the Monster Fox Pokemon?==

I Thought Zoroark was the Monster Fox Pokemon and Zorua was the Evil Fox Pokemon. Aren't they? Because there have been a lot of sites that say so.[[User:Alpha`s Arceus|Alpha`s Arceus]] 21:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:We use our own translations over blindly copypasting from all the other sites... so it might be different, but arguably a little more accurate. :x ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 21:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
::↑What Tina said. There was a lot of thought and debate over what would be the best translations for their species names, and these were the results. We are not changing them to correspond with every other fansite out there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 21:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gallery? ==

Should we add a gallery? Plenty of art has been released. [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 12:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think we should. There are also some great anime screenshots on filb of Zoroark and its pre-evolution. {{p|Zorua}}. - [[User:050294|050294]] 05:53, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, let's just fill the page with pictures as a substitute for information. C'mon. There are ''maybe'' five pictures at most on any other Pokémon's page, excluding the sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Zoroark = Shadow Ash? ==

Now, I'm not saying this is true, this is just something to think about that MAY be a possibility UNTILL the movie's released. I watched the trailer and saw Ash's interaction with his shadow self, and Shadow Ash gave Ketchum the same malicious smile Zoroark is shown to have in it's artwork. Zoroark could possibly be Shadow Ash. This makes sense since Zoroark is the 'master of illusion'.

None of this is proven, just a theory, of course. Something to think about till the movie's premier. - [[User:050294|050294]] 03:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:I think everyone came to this conclusion. Take it to the forums, please. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 03:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

==Zorark's Abilities==

I think someone should add how Zorark is able to change forms, or cause illusions as shown in the new trailer [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G3akj0Juos] I would do it myself but I'm not an Administrator.--[[User:Lambie|Lam]][[User_talk:Lambie|bie]] 03:04, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
: Agreed. --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 11:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

== Transform ==

With the newest movie trailer, is it safe to say Zoroark can learn Transform? [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:Probably an illusion. He is the RULER OF ILLUSIONS. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 20:36, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::No. First of all, he turned into Ash. Ash is a human, not a Pokémon, granted that Ditto can turn into small objects like a picture frame with the picture in it, but no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::That wasn't Transform anyway. I know they've gone all SPECIAL EFFECTS YAY since we last saw Duplica... but yeah. Looks nothing the same. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Were did she go anyway? I miss her [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://random-cerberus.deviantart.com/ ☃] 22:51, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== The Sprites Section... ==

...is gone. Seeing as this page is protected it is safe to assume that an admin did it but may I ask why? It looked OK to me... --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 06:37, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:The table is only for official sprites.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::And doesn't yet have a section for the Gen V sprites anyway, because we have no game names yet. Know how it goes Spr 4h ###.png? We can't have it as Spr 5 ###.png, since one, we don't have any ''real'' sprites, and two, that breaks sequence with the other things. Even in 2007 with DP we knew Pt and maybe HGSS were coming, so we had the sprites at Spr 4d ###.png, for when the third version and later came. This, we have no names for the first version, so we can't decide on a gen-game marker (as we have 1b/1g/1y/2g/2s/2c/3r/3f/3e/4d/4p/4h).
::Plus I'm gonna redo the whole template anyway when Gen V comes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, he is an illusion Pokemon, so....mabye he can?

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