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Talk:Lumiose City

2014-02-14T20:44:23Z

Darkcloud1111: /* Restaurant Stars */ new section

==Name Similarities to Illumise==

Should it be noted that Lumiose City's French name, Illumis; is almost the same as [[Illumise]]? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== Pikachu ==

Minor speculation but i can't help but notice the pikachu in the picture. Either this is just because it's the franchise mascot or pokemon from gens 1 to 5 will be in Kalos unlike Unova's first two games. --[[User:Bomyne|Bomyne]] ([[User talk:Bomyne|talk]]) 11:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
:[[a:File:XY Pokedex.png|We know]] that Zigzagoon (and Linoone) will be in the Kalos Pokédex. However, Pikachu might just make a cameo, like it did in [[Castelia City]] and like Shroomish did in [[Hearthome City]].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 11:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
:: In the announcement trailer back in Jan where Pikachu is on the tower, they mention that favorite old Pokémon would make an appearance, and they showed an encounter with a wild Pikachu.

:: Also, while this part is speculation on my own behalf; with the emphasis on light for this city, the tower's tip might light up. It is also likely, if it does light up, it does so possibly with the aid of a (Electric-Type) Pokémon much in the same way that the lighthouse in Olivine City (did I get the right city, been a long time since I played G&S.) Plus Pikachu was shown using its electricity on top of the tower in the announcement trailer. I wouldn't be surprise if a whole slew of Electric-Type Pokémon could be found in and near Lumiose City. But, we'll have to wait and see. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

:::Well it would go with the name (Luminose=Light=Electricity=Electric Pokemon). And yes Yamitora the city you are thinking of is Olivine City. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 21:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

== Tourism ==

Why does this page sound like it has been taken from a travel book all of a sudden? Doesn't sound professional. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 00:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
: I shortened and dulled it down. I don't see how it was Touristy. Also thanks ‎ArcToraphim for the fix. I keep forgetting to do that when linking Pokémon names to their articles. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 01:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
:: It sounded touristy to me because of the mention to shopping and fine dining but it reads more professional now. Also, for creating Pokemon templates, do {{p|Name of Pokemon} } <--(but without this extra space). [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 02:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== Lumiose City Gym ==

In the 3rd Pokémon X and Y trailer, at 0:34, there is an image of the tower in the centre of the city. At the entrance of the tower is the same symbol that is in front of the Santalune City Gym, in the 2nd trailer, at 0:42. This symbol is the Gym symbol from Unova, so it is safe to assume that Lumiose City also has a Gym. From Kalos' map, Lumiose City is the 3rd Location to visit, after Vaniville and Santalune, so it could be the 2nd Gym, although it could act like Petalburg or Viridian and have the Gym challenged later on. Since Lumiose City is based on Paris, the City of Lights, then the Gym type could be Electric or Fairy (there probably will be some sort of Fairy Gym/Elite Four Member somewhere in Kalos), but this is very speculative. [[User:Xolotl|Xolotl]] ([[User talk:Xolotl|talk]]) 10:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

:I too, noticed this in the trailer. The gym logo is also visible in a screenshot for Pokémon X and Y (I think there is a YouTube video pointing this out.), so I would think that it is fair to say that it is not just an animé variation. There have however been gyms in the animé that have not appeared in games such as those of the [[Orange Archipelago]], and unofficial gyms, including a fake gym set up by [[Team Rocket]], but I would think it unusual to have an unofficial gym ''in-game''. Of course the ''typing'' of the gym is completely speculative, however, I think that the fact that there ''is'' a Lumiose Gym is pretty conclusive.--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 18:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
::The odds are pretty high that it has an actual Gym, but I have to point out that it's not unprecedented to have an unofficial Gym in-game — see the [[Fighting Dojo]] in Saffron City. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:26, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Lumiose City ==

Its Korean name is 미스시티 ''Miseu {{tt|Siti|City}}''.
* I suspect it's based on the English word "myth", although that would be transliterated as 미쓰. Alternatively, 미스 could be "Miss" (whether "female tiitle" or "opposite of hit"), but I have my doubts. I'll have to get back to this. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 23:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Plants and Lights? ==

How come all of the other cities and towns in Kalos so far are named after plants, yet Lumiose city is named after Paris' nickname 'the city of lights'? Shouldn't it be added to the trivia that Lumiose city is the only one not named after a plant? [[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know all the cities, so we don't know yet whether another will be not named after a plant. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

== Prism Tower ==

It should be worth noted that the Eiffel-Tower like thing is called Prism Tower. [[User:Dinodestroyer|Dinodestroyer]] ([[User talk:Dinodestroyer|talk]]) 11:07, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

== The second story of one of the north buildings ==

I went there and something... odd happened. Im not even sure what it was. A very strange NPC is all i can say without spoiling. You'd know it if you saw it. well whatever it was, its clearly worth mentioning. If anyone has a clue what this thing was or what it meant, that should probably be included in the article somewhere. I think it was the building with the Dojo/Dance school on top, with the 2nd floor totally empty. I can't be sure because it only happened the one time and there are no signs left behind.

So yeah. That. Anyone know what that was and can put it on the page? [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] ([[User talk:PowerPlantRaichu|talk]]) 03:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:No. You aren't the one. Yes, the dojo was on top. Given the servers and computers in the room, I surmise that it could be Game Freak, but the NPC makes me think event possibly. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 09:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

== Looker Bureau ==

Can somebody put something explaining this? I would, but I do not have the time. It is after you go to Anistar City and receive the Mega Ring upgrade. I would appreciate it, and I will help where I can.--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 03:40, 26 October 2013 (UTC) As I said, I would do it all, but I have neither the time or the experience to do it. {{unsigned|Darkmaster}}

== On the glitches thing shall we put about this ghost girl? ==

Apparently there's this ghost girl thing which people are talking about. Is this a glitch if so put it on the glitches. I'm not sure if it's a reference to Unova about that girl in the Strange House or just a glitch. If anyone does know can someone either add it in the glitches or make note of it in the trivia section?--[[User:Hydreigonfan1|Hydreigonfan1]] ([[User talk:Hydreigonfan1|talk]]) 18:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's pretty clear to me that it's not a glitch. It's just supposed to be a creepy thing they put into the game. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 18:29, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

:: they put a ghost (or a few) in each game, so far i can remember DPP's house where u can find rotom, there's 2 ghosts there, also the girl in the bridge and in the abandoned house in BWB2B2 --[[User:Cabasho|Cabasho]] 10:06 11 November 2013 (-5 GMT)

== Sushi High Roller requirements ==

Can anyone help verify the requirements to get into Sushi High Roller? I know the only requirement isn't being the Champion, but I know it is one since the NPC that lets you in mentions it. I know there is something else since after becoming Champion, I did a bunch of style stuff and the Looker side quests and got access after that. Someone updated it to say the Looker sidequests are the other prereq, but that seems weird to me. Don't those also increase your style by completing them? Unfortunately, I don't know for a fact if completing that was what gave me access or not. [[User:Linkmastr001|Linkmastr001]] ([[User talk:Linkmastr001|talk]]) 21:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I had a thought. One thing I did before doing this restaurant was participate in each of the other restaurants, perhaps that is the other requirement? [[User:Linkmastr001|Linkmastr001]] ([[User talk:Linkmastr001|talk]]) 01:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I did that and beat the Elite Four, anyone else had that experience? -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 01:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
:"The player needs to have become the Champion, completed the side quest, and have gotten his or her style up in the city."
:So is this meant to refer to the Looker sidequests? Because "the side quest" is completely unclear and I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:13, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== Stone Emporium ==

Does anyone know whether or not this shop gets more than just Leaf, Fire and Water Stones post game?--[[User:Ditto51|Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 10:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
:Doesn't seem to do so. I think that's it unless you get more for becoming a full celebrity in Lumiose. I'm getting close to that stage (Venusarite is only 70,000, once it gets to 10,000 I will know). ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 10:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

== Sushi High Roller prize ==

Has anyone completed a course? If so, what did you get? Apparently it's Big Nuggets, but the quantities are still undetermined on Bulbapedia. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 01:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

havent done it myself but the it says it is imposible to turn out profit from this restaurant... if the info presented here is correct, then its true, but the loss can be lowered to 191760 if using a double money item during the battles (such as an amulet coin). -- [[User:Cabasho|Cabasho]] 10:03 11 November 2013 (-5 GMT)

:Wait... 30k * 25 = 750k; 750k->500k... so what. [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 17:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
::Just checked on this, 30,000 for each Big Nugget and a perfect is 25 of them. You make profit since you get over $500,000 when selling... Not sure how you would be ''losing'' profit here. Anyone mind fixing up that trivia error? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 04:11, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Wrong. In X/Y, you can sell the Big Nuggets for only 10,000 (not 30,000 like in Gen V). Therefore, you do NOT make profit in Sushi High Roller. Here's my result, using Amulet Coin + Prize Money Power lv 2, Triple Battle course.

'''1,454,404''' (my amount of money prior to selecting a course)
-450,000 (entrance cost)

1,004,404 (my amount of money prior to battling)
+18,720
+18,720
+18,720
+18,720
+41,600
+250,000 (10,000 x 25)

I ends up with '''1,370,884''' which means '''a loss'''.
So yeah, '''no''' profit, at least with PMP lv 2. I haven't try PMP lv 3. But if even with Amulet Coin and PMP lv 2 I still get a loss, that clearly means without Amulet Coin and PMP, the loss will be even greater....and even if using PMP lv 3 lets us receive some profit, it's still bad, as you must use the strongest boost just to receive a small amount of profit. Sushi High Roller? More like Sushi High ''Troll''er.[[User:Magnezone|Magnezone]] ([[User talk:Magnezone|talk]]) 01:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

:Then let me make a suggestion as to determine this, use Prize Money Power Level 3 + Luck Incense/Amulet Coin(Doesn't seem to stack) + {{m|Happy Hour}}. If that doesn't work, then we will need to say that the only way to make a profit is to use Pay Day to be able to make a profit. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 01:37, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Extrapolating the results from your data.

-450,000 (entrance cost)
+ 56,160 (9,360 is assumed to be the amount with the Amulet Coin, *3 with PMP 3, *2 with Happy Hour)
+ 56,160
+ 56,160
+ 56,160
+ 124,800 (20,800 is assumed to be the amount with the Amulet Coin, *3 with PMP 3, *2 with Happy Hour)
+ 250,000 (250,000 is the normal sell value of 25 Big Nuggets.)
That means the balance should become a net gain of 149,440. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 18:44, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Splitting up the article ==

Given the current size of the article, and that it's still marked "incomplete," it would probably be a good idea to start giving certain sections their own articles. {{redlink|Hotel Richissime}} should probably be first, as it's currently the most well-developed section. I'm also planning, when I get the time, to transcribe all of the Lumiose Museum audio guides and use them in making a page for that building as well. Any objections or suggestions for further splitting? —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] ([[User talk:Minimiscience|talk]]) 00:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
:The restaurants use a fair amount of templates, which makes them a pretty good candidate to split off if we're trying to do it for size purposes. I agree that Hotel Richissime can be split off; the Lumiose Museum stuff sounds like it'd be more quote-heavy than content-heavy, so it might be suited more as a subpage of this article than its own article, though that's probably something for a staff member to decide. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:41, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
::Lumiose Museum would have a lot of quotes, though (there are 20-30 paintings in it), and some of the paintings appear to be art from previous games that's already on the Archives, so I'd imagine we'd want to include those in the Museum's section/article, making it longer and more article-worthy. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] ([[User talk:Minimiscience|talk]]) 00:51, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'd say this article could certainly use splitting up. The Hotel Richissime and Lumiose Museum getting their own pages would work. Restaurants maybe. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:31, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

[[Hotel Richissime]] is now a separate article. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] ([[User talk:Minimiscience|talk]]) 04:19, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

[[Lumiose Museum]] is now an article. The formatting could probably use some work. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] ([[User talk:Minimiscience|talk]]) 09:31, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

== Pokemon Centers ==

Should it be noted that Lumiose City is the first and only city in the entire Pokemon World to have more than one Pokemon Center within the city? I'm a bit surprised nobody has brought this up. {{unsigned|Noah★|17:38, 27 December 2013 (UTC)}}
:That's because it's not. [[Ever Grande City]] was the first. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

== Rare Soda and Ultra Rare Soda Evoltuion ==

Ok, so I bought an Ultra Rare Soda (50,000 pokedollars), gave it to my lv 34 Servine which increased its level to lv 39, and she did not evolve. Is this possibly only Ultra Rare Soda, or does also raise level but does not invoke evolution?[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:50, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

== Restaurants ==

Has anyone really figured out how the restaurants are scored aside from number of turns and Pokémon fainted? For some reason, I actually got 24 Balm Mushrooms in Le Wow when I completed the entire Double Battle course in 10 turns and no faints, but actually got a ''smaller'' reward (around 19-21) when I completed the entire thing in one turn per battle. From what I've seen, at least, you seem to get a better reward for getting closer to the designated turn count over taken the least possible amount of turns. This really doesn't seem right and I'm starting to think that there is more to the scoring. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 22:01,1/13/2014 (UTC)
:I don't see what you're having an issue with... You're not supposed to go for the least possible amount of turns, since the point is to hit the target number of turns ''exactly''. Going over ''or'' under will detract from the reward, and I think the article's pretty clear about that. Unless I've misunderstood your question? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:52, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
::"For each faint or turn difference, the player will receive one less of the reward item." - Ignore me, I'm stupid and I can't read. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 05:16,1/14/2014 (UTC)

== Discount Coupon ==

So, from what I gathered from the PGL and my game, the Discount Coupon seems to have the following properties:
:#They cost zero Poké Miles
:#They can be used one time at {{tt|''any'' Boutique|it's mentioned on this page already, hence why I'm using this talk page}} (seemingly on one item, but that also might be one full transaction); and give you 50% off
:#They can be sold to a Poké Mart for {{PD}}10
:#They can only be obtained once
:#They go in the main Items slot
:#They have the following description: "This special coupon allows you to buy items at a discount when you are shopping at a boutique."
I can't seem to find a page of (non key) items introduced in Gen VI if there is one, so I'm leaving the information here in hopes of finding said page. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 19:52,1/15/2014 (UTC)
:Wouldn't it fit best in [[exchangeable item]]s? It's only function is to be exchanged after all. And I recall the Bulbanews article saying you could buy multiple items. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:10, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
::Well, to start off, I set it up [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox#Discount Coupon|here]], since there's still a few things missing, for sure. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 23:01,1/15/2014 (UTC)

== Soft Resetting Changes the Menu in the Juice Shoppe ==

So, I discovered soft resetting changes the Juice Shoppe Menu to some degree under certain circumstances.

I was leveling up two 5IV Charmander (one Impish, one Careful) to see which had the best Attack of the two (Only HP, Def, Sp.Atk, Sp. Def and Speed are 31IV)

Well I used rare candies while in Kiloude City to get them the first one (Impish) to level 21, then I flew to Lumiose City to see if the Juice Shoppe was selling Rare or Ultra Rare Soda. I know its a gamble, but it paid of, they were selling Rare Soda for 20k. So that got it to level 23.

I soft reset, repeated the rare candies and then flew from Kiloude to Lumiose and when I got to the Juice Shoppe, the Rare Soda was now 50k Ultra Rare Soda, which was surprising. So I was able to get the Careful Charmander to level 26 instead of lv 23 like I had the Impish one.

I have saved and then soft reset before inside the shoppe and the menu stayed the same. This time however I had saved in Kiloude and flew back to the Juice Shoppe. If I were to guess, I would assume that the menu changes based on similar math that a roaming Pokémon's route changes. This needs further investigation, but if proven to some degree, would soft resetting to change the menu be worth noting in the article/Juice Shoppe section? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:Well, I screwed up in my attempt to investigate this further, but it wasn't a total lost.

:So after I soft reset and flew back to the Juice Shoppe, the menu changed again, this time to the 20k rare soda and a 40k Ultra rare soda and a pink 2100 juice. I saved after seeing these items, now the menu is stuck as that..so it seems as long as you save before you find out the menu, it is not locked in and can be changed with further soft resets. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

== Restaurant Stars ==

It mentions in the article that if you complete the selected option for battling (Double, Triple, Rotation, ect) and get a perfect score, then a star appears next to that option. However do these stars actually do anything? Like if I completed all of them perfectly, would I get a discount or something important like that? [[User:Darkcloud1111|'''''Darkcloud1111''''']][[User talk:Darkcloud1111|'''~Fastest Hero Alive''']] 20:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Talk:AZ

2013-12-31T10:43:57Z

Darkcloud1111:

== Jotun? ==

Is it possible that AZ might be based of a Jotun? (forgot how to spell it.) For those who don't know, they are giants that exist in Norse myth, which various aspects of X and Y are based off.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:39, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

== AZ's Floette ==
Is AZ's Floette is the same as the [[Floette]] that was revealed by a hacker a few weeks back? - {{unsigned|Sage1661}}
**Possibly, but it can't be posted unless it's comfirmed officially.[[User:BraviaryGirl23|BraviaryGirl23]] ([[User talk:BraviaryGirl23|talk]]) 00:02, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

== Spoiler alert? ==

I was thinking that we could have a toned downed version of the article. Both me and several friends were spoiled just by browsing through. [[User:Bobosmith01|~Bobo]] ([[User talk:Bobosmith01|talk]]) 22:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
:This is an encyclopedia for the Pokemon series, which features detailed information on the characters of said series. Also, the game has been out for a month and a half, going on two, so it's not our fault that you got spoiled. Do you have a suggestion as to how we can tone the article down? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:13, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
::If you don't want spoilers, don't look at the article. Simple as that. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 23:37, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

== Battle Music ==

Since according to the trivia AZ's battle music is that of the Gym Leader battle style, even though he's classed as a Pokemon Trainer. It may be a hint that if & when Pokemon Z comes out, he will be a Gym Leader. [[User:Frahaleah|Frahaleah]] 19:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
:That's speculation. The Bulbagarden Forums would be a better place to discuss that. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 19:52, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

==Beaten==
Just out of curiosity, what happens if you lose to him during the credits? I have looked around and most people have said that even if he beats you, the game will react as if you won and events will play as normal. If this is the case, should it be mentioned that AZ is the only trainer you can lose to and not have to return to a Pokemon Center immediately after (White out). [[User:Darkcloud1111|'''''Darkcloud1111''''']][[User talk:Darkcloud1111|'''~Fastest Hero Alive''']] 10:43, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Eevee (Pokémon)

2013-01-13T22:13:24Z

Darkcloud1111: /* New Eevee-lutions? */

== [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] status of [[Bite (move)|Bite]] ==

Please note that in RBY, {{M|Bite}} is {{T|Normal}}, so it is marked as a STAB move, while in later games it is {{T|Dark}}, so it's marked as STAB for an evolution (in this case - {{P|Umbreon}}). [[User:User142|User142]] ([[User talk:User142|Talk]]) 16:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

== Pokémon XD ==

Hey, does anyone have XD? There are evolution items for Umbreon and Espeon in that game instead of Happiness evolutions. Does anyone know what they are? They should problably be listed here. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I think they were Sun Shard (Espeon) and Moon Shard (Umbreon) [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]

== [[Generation II]] evolutions ==

Say, in XD, does Eevee need to hold the Sun/Moon shard and level up to evolve? or simply be exposed to them like a stone? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 15:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:Hold and level up. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::Does it also require happiness to be maxed? So many sites have conflicting information regarding them in XD. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 13:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:::No, just stick it on and level up. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 18:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::::All you need is to have the shard with you. Eevee doesn't have to be holding it. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 19:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::Wrong, Eevee does have to be holding the shard to evolve. [[User:Jake30502|Jake30502]] 15:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::Is the items Sun and Moon Shard capable of veing transferred into R/S/FR/LG/E? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 03:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::No. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Have you tried it though? I wonder why not though...do you have to evolve your Eevee when you get the item? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
The shards are Key Items. Eevee can't hold it. About the happiness, yes it needs to be maxed; but it's ''already'' maxed at the beginning of the game.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 00:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Do The Eeveelutions Still Have A High Stat? ==

Are The Eeveelutions Still Following The Stats Where A Certain Evolution Has The Highest Stat Compared To The Family?
For Example, Vapoureon Has The Highest HP Stat Tha All Of The Rest; Jolteon Has The Highest Speed Stat Than The Others.
- Tesh -
:Look at their base stats. They're the same totals, they're just different as far as focus, so yes, all of them have one stat higher than the rest. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:... except there's six stats and seven Eeveelutions, meaning two had to specialize in the same thing. Apparently, it's the Special Attack ones. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 05:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::Which is what I meant by focus, since although Espeon and Glaceon both have the 130 in Special Attack, 95 in Special Defense, and 65 in HP, Attack, Defense, and Speed does differ. So really, if they do make nine more Eeveelutions, many will share the strongest stats, but there'd still be room for base stat variance. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

==help==
dos anybody know if i beat collaseum and trade umbrion and espieon can i mat one of the with a nother pokemon a couple times and get the othe evvealoution {{unsigned|Shiny evvee}}

No, since they're both male. Also, if you want help, try typing like someone over the age of 3. {{unsigned|Fishman}}
:{{p|Ditto}}. And I agree, try typing like you know English. Dammit, you people are the reason that the school systems are failing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

::I'm not sure, maybe he's a kid who learnt the internet at age 4...Or he's just plain inattentive, impossibly inaccurate and unintelligent. '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' 10:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
:::This is also meant for the forums.... [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 00:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Name origin - Eon ==

:"''Eon also means a very long time, which is how long it takes for Eevee to evolve without the aid of an evolutionary stone''"
but in [[Generation I]] Eevee cannot evolve without stones! can I remove this sentence? --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 21:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:But that's ONLY in GenI. Why remove it? Don't remove it, as it explains why it's called "Eon". >< [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]] 21:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::Even then, it doesn't take an eon to evolve without a stone. You can have a level 2 Espeon or Umbreon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

:Thinking about it eon could refer to the amount of time it takes a regular species to evolve, and since Eevee is so adaptable it could be that it represents eons of evolution (as it has mastered in some way). If you can make sense of that it may help. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 20:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:Don't forget that Pokemon in the games have a level cap. Theoretically, if there were no level caps Eevee would evolve eventually. [[User: Kyle95]] December 20, 2008 (UTC)

== Palindromes ==

How many palindrome pokémon are there? I only know of two, Eevee and Girafarig. If those are the only two, might their trivia take note of the other?

Also, I joined just to ask the above question. Why doesn't bulbapedia allow anon to edit? [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Also also, can someone post in my user page so my name turns blue? It bothers me. Another question, why doesn't bulbapedia allow User page edits? I get "You do not have permission to edit pages in the User namespace." [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

1. 3 Pokémon names are palindromes (Eevee, Girafarig and Ho-oh)

2. Use Proper GrAmmAr.

3. It's been answer 4,000,000,000,000 time, And I can't be bothered making it the 4,000,000,000,001'th time.

--[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 05:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hm. Good greeting. Please tell me how my grammar is improper. I see I could have put a colon or semicolon on my second sentence instead of a comma, but what else? [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Pokémon. Not pokémon. Capitalize. Bulbapedia. Not bulbapedia.'''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''05:52 4 Jun 2008'''''

::Is that all? Do you get on to everyone who doesn't capitalize pokémon or site names? [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

::: It just makes it proper, Pokémon is a name of a Tv show (Or something), and Bulbapedia is a name of a site, Both being N-O-U-N-S (Nouns). --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 05:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:::: Pokémon is the name of a manga, series of video games, and anime. It's also the type of creatures in those. One doesn't call a scarab a type of Beetle, but a beetle, so I thought pokémon would sound proper enough. You don't capitalize nouns. You capitalize PROPER nouns. [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 06:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't really get it, either... but it's official policy that Pokémon is capitalized. It doesn't matter as much on talk pages as in the main namespace, but like with other sorts of proper grammar, it makes it look more like you know what you're doing. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 06:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's Pokémon because it IS a proper noun. Why? It's a species of imaginary creatures. Imaginary. Name. Name. Proper Noun. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:05 4 Jun 2008'''''

:::::::Why is everyone talking about grammar? I thought this was about palindromes! [[User:Thermorules123]] 02:57, 26 Dec 2008

:::::::: I see, I now have the power to make people go of-topic..... And by the way, Nouns do need to be capital too, A noun is A place (London), a name (Andrew) and A thing (Ball, Not really {{tt|necessary|Correct Spelling?}} to capitilize though) --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 15:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::You only need to capitalize names. [[User:Thermorules123]] 03:35, 26 Dec 2008

== Super Smash Bros. Brawl ==

I removed the bit about Eevee appearing in ''Brawl'' and evolving into one of its seven evolutions. Simply put, Eevee does not appear out of a Poké Ball in that game. Nor do its evolutions. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Interesting Fact ==

Should it be noted somewhere that eevee's original evolutions (vaporeon, jolteon, flareon) are immune from damage by their own type because of their special abilities. Vaporeon=water absorb, jolteon=volt absorb, flareon=flash fire[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:No. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 13:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

== Evolving into Leafeon and Glaceon ==

I thought when an you want to evolve Eevee into Leafeon or Glaceon, you had to be in the same patch of grass as the Mossy Rock or Frosty Rock. The information on doing so, at least in Eevee's article, says you just have to be in Eterna Forest or Route 217 to do it. So, which one is true? [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] [[User talk:Superbreeder|What's up?]] 00:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:You just need to be on the route. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Level Up Evolutions ==

Does anyone know what happens if you level up a [[happiness|happy]] Eevee in (say) [[Eterna Forest]] during the [[time|day]]? Does the location or happiness evolution take precidence? In this example, would you get a {{p|Leafeon}} or an {{p|Espeon}}? I don't have the games so I can't test it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 02:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

:That is a pickle. I guess it would make sense to say the evolutionary path would be chosen at random with a 50/50 chance of getting Leafeon or Espeon.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Bttsstewart

::Hey, that sounds like a fun theory to test. I'll get back to you. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Location takes precedence. I tested it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Aw man! TTE spoiled my fun. Maybe I'll just do it anyway{{tt|.|wouldn't want your game to be a fluke now, would we? :D}} — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::However, what if you evolved two happy Eevee right on the border between day and night, at the same time through the same battle. One initiates evolution sequence before the time period switches, the other initiates after (DS closing may be involved). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>rushes to daycare* — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Before 4 AM? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Er, not likely mate. If you can do it faster feel free. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: Eterna Forest has a sign inside it claiming that it is "The place where time stands still". I think this is trying to hint that Umbreon/Espeon aren't possible to obtain inside it. Not sure about the conditions for Glaceon though, just thought it was interesting to note =) --[[User:Improv|Improv.]] ''([[User talk:Improv|talk]])'' 22:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:Where is siad sign?[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 22:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
::As soon as you step inside, you can see the sign. Sorry about my signiature =/ --[[User:Improv|Improv.]] ''([[User talk:Improv|talk]])'' 01:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I'd always taken this to mean that it referred to it being an '''eterna'''l forest, but this is also promising... As much as I hate trivia, this is kind of ok! I'll add it to the Eterna Forest article if it isn't already there. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:So does this mean that the same rule applies to [[Route 217]], where {{p|Glaceon}} evolves? [[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|--Charmander]] ''[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|-(talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|stalk!)]]'' 03:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because if it is, that information should be added to [[Route 217|the page]]. [[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|--Charmander]] ''[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|-(talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|stalk!)]]'' 03:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, if you evolve your Eevee OUTSIDE on Route 217, it will become a Glaceon. Indoors (Rare Candy inside a house when happiness is max'd) it takes the Espeon/Umbreon route. Same with Eterna Forest (the forest area where Moss Rock is) vs the exterior area accessed via Cut. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
But this dosn't awnser what will happen if said eevee was also holding a evolutionary stone. We will test this.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 01:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:It will evolve into Leafeon/Glaceon, because holding an evolutionary stone DOES NOT activate the stone when battling.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::Yes. But they do activate upon level up, which two types of it's evolution require, and the other one can be done with or with out it.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 01:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Leveling up doesn't activate a held evo stone - I just tested with a fire stone on an Eevee in Pt. Because of this it will take the location/time evolution upon level up, even if an Evo stone is held. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== Catchable, but no attacking moves... ==

Is Eevee the only one that does this? When you catch it in DP from the Trophy Garden, all four moves it has are status moves. Does anything but the four cocoons and Abra have this... hindrance? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:Ralts in DP only has Growl when chained. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
::That is, if you get a chain of level 4 or level 5 Ralts. Level 6 would know Confusion. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:::...{{p|Ditto}}... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Not so sure how much Ditto would count, as Transform could potentially gain it attacking moves. Eevee and Ralts, though, sure. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. Come see my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|tell me what you think!]] 03:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Good point...that means {{p|Smeargle}} could be scratched out as well... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Oh, yeah, forgot about Smeargle! Yeah, Smeargle's out. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. Come see my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|tell me what you think!]] 03:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::There's also {{p|Magikarp}}, which you can find knowing only {{m|Splash}} if you use an Old Rod near just about any body of water. That one could be questionable though. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 17:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::eevee may be the only one with a full attack set with no offensive moves. abra, ditto, and smeargle only learn one move, but thats only because ditto and smeagle and designed that way and abra doesnt learn any attacks until after it evolves[[User:Darkcloud1111|darkcloud1111]] 18:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Yellow ==

Is there a condition(s) which determine which of the three possible evolutions that Blue's Eevee has? If so, what are they, and should they be added into the article?--[[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 21:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:They're listed on {{ga|Blue}}'s article, and no, it should not be added to this article. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 21:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Information that I'm sure if it is true or not, need confirmation ==

I think that it may be possible to breed one with one of the moves that has the same move type as one of it's evolutions by raising two Flareon's with Flamethrower, or something. Two Jolteon's with Thunderbolt, etc.--[[User:Tmwps|Tmwps]] 11:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
:Only if the Eevee can learn those attacks too. And we don't list moves that can be indirectly passed down by TM unless they are in the internal coding of the game. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Steps listed incorrect? ==

I've been breeding Eevee in Platinum, and my eggs have been taking 10,200 steps to hatch, where the article lists 9180. Can anyone else test this? [[User:Seraph|Seraph]]

== Day & Night ==

The article mentions that Eevee evolved into Espeon during the day, and Umbreon at night time...
Though it doesn't mention what happens if it evolves during the morning...
...Personally, I'm not 100% sure what actually happens (I believe it was Espeon?)...
But regardless, I think it should be confirmed and added to the article. {{unsigned|M190049}}

:{{pkmn|Stadium 2}}'s library stated the result was Espeon when done in the morning. Sure, Stadium 2's data is fully accurate only up to [[Generation II]], but I'm pretty sure something like this would hold true in [[Generation IV]] as well...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Multiple requirements met ==

What would happen in the event eevee has reached the level of happiness necessary to evolve into either espeon or umbreon, but was leveld up in eternia forest or route 217?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 21:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
:As discussed in various other places, the '''location''' evolution takes precedence over the straight happiness one. This should be in the article somewhere though... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== Can Eevee learn Endure by breeding? ==

I stuck an Eevee in the Daycare with a Buneary that knew Endure and the Eevee that hatched from the eggs knew Endure too. When I swapped the Buneary for a Monferno and hatched more Eevee, they didn't know Endure anymore. Does that mean Endure is an egg move for Eevee? [[User:Avalanche lily|Avalanche lily]] 19:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:[New comments to bottom plz]. Endure is a TM move. Any move that can be learned by TM will be passed down. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== There's no ring around its tail, right? ==

[http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6185/6125.jpg This] Sugimori art shows an Eevee with a ring around its tail. Maybe it's just that Eevee, but no other Eevee has been shown with a ring, right? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Light reflection.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
==Ok...==
Please fix the egg hatch time. It's really 10,200 steps, not 9,400--[[User:Skymin23|FlyingSkymin23]] 02:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

== Leaf/Glace in HGSS ==
Do you have to trade Eevee to DPPt to evolve or is there a place in HGSS?
I can't really trade cos I'm not always around someone with a DS. (Although, I can always trade over WiFi.) [[User:SallieEspeon|Hullo! My name is Sallie and I am a Cloud fangirl. w00t!]] 22:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yup, same goes for Magneton, and Eevee from FRLG to RSECXD in order to evolve into Espeon/Umbreon. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:07, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Eeveelutions To Be Created ==
I think it should be mentiond in the trivia that Eevee has yet to gain evolutions of normal, fighting, dragon, poison, ground, rock, steel, flying, bug, and ghost types. Is it okay if i put this in there? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 10:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Um... no. It can be assumed that it doesn't have evolutions of those types by reading which types it CAN evolve into. Including that as trivia would be like including that that Wormadam doesn't have a fire/water/ice/etc. cloak. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::Eevee already has Normal type evolution, itself. [[User:Ruberduck0123|Ruberduck0123]] 04:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== RSE Pokédex ==

I noticed that in the Pokédex area, it doesn't include it's RSE entries. I would add the information, but I don't know if it's correct, and I didn't want to make a huge change. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 18:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== First appearance of evolutions in the anime ==

In the trivia section, one of the items states that the first onscreen appearance of an Eevee evolution was in DP, "thirteen years" into the series (the item begins, "Despite the fact..."). Am I interpreting this incorrectly? All three of the original evolutions are in [[The Battling Eevee Brothers]], and appear again in [[The Ultimate Test]]. Am I insane?

[[User:Bobbadagirl|Bobbadagirl]] 02:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, you are. and by evolution it means the act of evolution not the evolved form [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:46, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== Eevee's Gender Ratio ==

It used to be 12.5% male and 82.5% female... I can't find the edit that it changed but it was.. I know it was because I spent an entire night breeding to get the eeveelutions with the perfect characteristics for each one.. Ended up with two and a half boxes of eevees and only about 9 of them were male.. Can someone else varify this and/or fix it? I can't find the edit to revert it myself. [[User:F1SH13|F1SH13]] 02:05, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:The information was taken from the game data itself. It isn't wrong and it was never any different. You just got lucky. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== Could somebody add this to the Moves obtained by Breeding templaye? ==

eevee (and, by extension, all evo's) can gain the Move Shadow Ball by breeding. HOWEVER, i do not know what the espeon i got from a random Japanese guy was bred with, sooooooo...
(It may just be Espeon's move!) [[User:Sartharis|Sartharis, God of Twilight]] 01:33, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:[[Breeding#Passing moves down|Any move that the father knows that the baby can learn by TM will be passed down.]] It doesn't need to be added separately, as it would be a redundant waste of space. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

== Espeon and Umbreon obtainable in RSE? ==

Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald all have internal clocks. Does this mean Espeon and Umbreon can evolve from Eevee in these games?
If the answer's "no", then is there any way to obtain Espeon and Umbreon (in Generation III) without owning XD? [[User:SoItBegins|SoItBegins]] 09:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, it can evolve in RSE. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
==What would happen if...==
What would happen if Eevee was evolving via friendship at 7:59 PM, and while it was evolving it became 8:00 PM? (Isn't 8:00 when most night-based evolutions happen? If it isn't, let me know and I'll facepalm myself....) Would Eevee become Espeon or Umbreon???[[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 00:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
:If it's in the middle of the actual evolve sequence when the time changes, then won't switch once the animation's started, it'll use the former time. I'd be interested to know precisely where in the sequence it actually checks the time, I'd guess it's when the battle ends and it checks to see whether any Pokémon have met the conditions to evolve. Which would mean that once it's in the evolve screen, it's already decided.

:Also, the change between day and night is different depending on what Generation game you're playing and what season it is (for Gen V). Full details can be found on our [[time]] page. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:03, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

==New Eevee-lutions?==

I found this picture on another website. I didn't see information on this site or Serebii. Any truth to it?

Picture: [http://pokebot.everyboty.net/pix/1179.jpg See Here]. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] ([[User talk:Darkcloud1111|talk]]) 21:28, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
:It's a fanmade picture. I think I've seen it around a few time. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 21:35, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
::I thought so. With G6 coming out however, I wanted to be sure as the person that sent me the picture was very convinced. [[User:Darkcloud1111|'''''Darkcloud1111''''']][[User talk:Darkcloud1111|'''~Fastest Hero Alive''']] 22:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Eevee (Pokémon)

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Darkcloud1111:

Absol (Pokémon)

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Darkcloud1111:

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name=Absol |
pron=<sc>''ab''-sol</sc> <ref>Silvestri, Chris. ''Pokémon Ultimate Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 2008. ISBN 0-545-07886-5</ref> |
jname=アブソル |
tmname=Absol |
art=RS |
size=150px |
ndex=359 |
hdex=152 |
sdex=209 |
fbrow=200 |
abrow=256 |
obrow=285 |
opbrow=199 |
typen=1 |
type1=Dark |
type2= |
species=Disaster |
height-ftin=3'11" |
height-m=1.2 |
weight-lbs=103.6 |
weight-kg=47.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Pressure |
ability2=Super Luck |
abilityd=Justified |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Field |
egggroup2= |
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footnotes=}}
'''Absol''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''アブソル''' ''Absol'') is a {{type2|Dark}} Pokémon.

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Absol is a quadrupedal mammal-like Pokémon. Its dark blue to gray body is covered in white fur, with a ruff around its neck and chest, and a tuft on the top of its head adorned with a single blue-black oval. It has a cat-like face, a scythe-like tail and a sickle-shaped growth on the side of its head. Its body is sleek and feline, making it well suited for its life in the mountains. Its broad, circular feet are equipped with three claws each, and spikes protrude from the heels of its hind legs and the elbows of its anterior legs. Its head resembles a Yin-Yang.

====Gender differences====
None

====Special abilities====
Absol is able to predict when a natural disaster will occur, and tries to warn people when one is approaching. This often has the unfortunate effect of Absol itself being blamed for the disaster.

===Behavior===
It sharply senses even subtle changes in the sky and the land to predict natural disasters. Although Absol rarely venture down into areas inhabited by humans, when they do it is to warn people of the impending catastrophe.

===Habitat===
[[File:Mountain.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon}}]]
Absol tend to live in mountainous regions and forests far away from people.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Absol anime.png|right|250px|thumb|Absol in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Absol first appeared in ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]''. The Disaster Pokémon showed up to take {{p|Jirachi}} back to [[Forina]]. However, Absol wasn't evil, and helped Jirachi once it returned to Forina.

The Disaster Pokémon also appeared in ''[[AG107|Absol-ute Disaster]]''. The people of a town were blaming Absol for all the bad things that were happening to their town during the past month. {{Ash}} and friends (along with a boy named [[Nicky]]) went out to search whether or not the accusations were true. They found out that the Absol was actually warning the town about a flood.

[[Drew]] captured and trained an Absol for the [[Kanto]] [[Grand Festival]], as seen in ''[[AG180|May, We Harley Drew'd Ya!]]''

===Minor appearances===
An Absol appeared in ''[[DP020|Mutiny in the Bounty]]'', captured by the evil [[Pokémon Hunter|Hunter]] [[J]] and [[J's henchmen|her henchmen]] after [[Ash's Pikachu]], [[Melodi]]'s {{p|Gardevoir}} and [[Team Rocket]]'s {{MTR}} got stolen. The Absol was returned to its rightful owner after Ash, Team Rocket, and Melodi reunited with their Pokémon and some of J's minions were arrested.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG107|Absol|May's Pokédex|Absol, the Disaster Pokémon. Absol live in steep mountainous regions, and rarely venture down into areas inhabited by humans, but should an Absol be seen by humans, it is said that catastrophe is soon to follow.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Advanced|Hoenn}}

==In the manga==
An Absol appears in the {{chap|Ruby & Sapphire}} of the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga. It first appears to {{adv|Ruby}}, who shudders in fear immediately. Absol is also present in the feud between {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}}. Like in the anime, Absol is accused of bringing disaster.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Absol (TCG)}}

==In the TFG==
One Absol figure has been released.
* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Absol|8}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: An Absol trails the rescue team around the [[Frosty Forest]] and confronts them after the defeat of {{p|Articuno}}. Absol is initially suspicious of the Pokémon but eventually decides to join the rescue team and helps in the journey up [[Mt. Freeze]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dark
|gen=3
|rubydex=Every time Absol appears before people, it is followed by a disaster such as an earthquake or a tidal wave. As a result, it came to be known as the disaster Pokémon.
|sapphiredex=Absol has the ability to foretell the coming of natural disasters. It lives in a harsh, rugged mountain environment. This Pokémon very rarely ventures down from the mountains.
|emeralddex=It sharply senses even subtle changes in the sky and the land to predict natural disasters. It is a long-lived Pokémon that has a life-span of 100 years.
|frlgdex=It appears when it senses an impending natural disaster. As a result, it was mistaken as a doom-bringer.
|dpdex=It senses coming disasters and appears before people only to warn them of impending danger.
|platinumdex=Rumored to sense danger with its horn, it became a target. It fled deep into the mountains.
|hgssdex=It has the ability to foretell natural disasters. Its life span is over a hundred years.
|bwdex=Rumored to sense disasters with its horn, it became a target. It fled deep into the mountains.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=dark |
gen=3 |
frlgex=rse|
rsrarity=Rare |
rsarea={{rt|120|Hoenn}} |
erarity=Rare |
earea={{rt|120|Hoenn}} |
colorarity= One |
coloarea=[[Realgam Tower]] |
coloshadow=yes |
dprarity=Swarm |
dparea={{rt|213|Sinnoh}} |
ptrarity=Rare |
ptarea=[[Mt. Coronet]] summit |
hgssrarity=Rare |
hgssarea=[[Slowpoke Well]], [[Union Cave]], [[Mt. Mortar]], [[Dark Cave]], [[Whirl Islands]], [[Mt. Silver]], [[Ice Path]], [[Ragged Cliff Gate]], [[Diglett's Cave]], [[Mt. Moon]], [[Cerulean Cave]], [[Rock Tunnel]], [[Seafoam Islands]], [[Victory Road (Kanto)|Victory Road]], [[Tohjo Falls]] |
hgsssound=Hoenn |
palarea=Mountain |
bwrarity=Rare |
bwarea=[[Unova Route 13|Route 13]], [[Giant Chasm]] |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Dark
|pinballrs=Wilderness (Sapphire Field)
|trozei=Endless Level 58 Forever Level 8 Pair Trozei [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Frosty Forest]] (End) [[Northwind Field]] (28F-29F) [[Western Cave]] (40F-49F)
|md2=[[Crystal Crossing]] (B8-B13)
|ranger=[[Panula Cave]]
|ranger2=[[Altru Building]] [[Altru Tower]]
|ranger3=[[Rasp Cavern]] [[Dark Temple]]
|pokepark=[[Granite Zone]]
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=dark |
HP= 65 |
Attack=130 |
Defense=60 |
SpAtk= 75 |
SpDef= 60 |
Speed= 75 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Dark
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=dark|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 50 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 0 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 50 |
notes=yes|
dark=yes|
newpsychic=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Absol|Dark|Dark|5|3}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Feint|Normal|Physical|30|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|4|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|12|Quick Attack|Normal|Physical|40|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Razor Wind|Normal|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|20|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|44|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Detect|Fighting|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|52|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Me First|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|60|Psycho Cut|Psychic|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|65|Perish Song|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Absol|Dark|Dark|5|3}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Absol|Dark|Dark|5|3}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM54|False Swipe|Normal|Physical|40|100|40}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM95|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Absol|Dark|Dark|5|3}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Absol|dark|dark|5|3}}
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{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|133|Eevee}}{{MSP|161|Sentret}}{{MSP|162|Furret}}{{MSP|190|Aipom}}{{MSP|424|Ambipom}}{{MSP|203|Girafarig}} {{MSP|255|Torchic}}{{MSP|256|Combusken}}{{MSP|257|Blaziken}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}} {{MSP|327|Spinda}}{{MSP|427|Buneary}}{{MSP|428|Lopunny}}{{MSP|418|Buizel}}{{MSP|419|Floatzel}}{{MSP|504|Patrat}} {{MSP|505|Watchog}}|Baton Pass|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Cute|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|083|Farfetch'd}}{{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}{{MSP|133|Eevee}}{{MSP|194|Wooper}} {{MSP|195|Quagsire}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|220|Swinub}}{{MSP|221|Piloswine}}{{MSP|473|Mamoswine}}{{MSP|287|Slakoth}} {{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|309|Electrike}}{{MSP|310|Manectric}}{{MSP|320|Wailmer}}{{MSP|321|Wailord}} {{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|335|Zangoose}}{{MSP|363|Spheal}}{{MSP|364|Sealeo}}{{MSP|365|Walrein}}{{MSP|449|Hippopotas}} {{MSP|450|Hippowdon}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|058|Growlithe}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|077|Ponyta}}{{MSP|078|Rapidash}} {{MSP|155|Cyndaquil}}{{MSP|156|Quilava}}{{MSP|157|Typhlosion}}{{MSP|216|Teddiursa}}{{MSP|217|Ursaring}}{{MSP|220|Swinub}} {{MSP|221|Piloswine}}{{MSP|473|Mamoswine}}{{MSP|231|Phanpy}}{{MSP|232|Donphan}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}} {{MSP|320|Wailmer}}{{MSP|321|Wailord}}{{MSP|322|Numel}}{{MSP|323|Camerupt}}{{MSP|399|Bidoof}}{{MSP|400|Bibarel}} {{MSP|434|Stunky}}{{MSP|435|Skuntank}}{{MSP|449|Hippopotas}}{{MSP|450|Hippowdon}}{{MSP|585|Deerling}}{{MSP|586|Sawsbuck}}|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|037|Vulpix}}{{MSP|038|Ninetales}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}|Hex|Ghost|Special|50|100|15|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|037|Vulpix}}{{MSP|038|Ninetales}}{{MSP|050|Diglett}}{{MSP|051|Dugtrio}}{{MSP|052|Meowth}}{{MSP|053|Persian}} {{MSP|197|Umbreon}}{{MSP|209|Snubbull}}{{MSP|210|Granbull}}{{MSP|215|Sneasel}}{{MSP|461|Weavile}}{{MSP|216|Teddiursa}} {{MSP|217|Ursaring}}{{MSP|228|Houndour}}{{MSP|229|Houndoom}}{{MSP|274|Nuzleaf}}{{MSP|275|Shiftry}}{{MSP|287|Slakoth}} {{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|327|Spinda}} {{MSP|352|Kecleon}}{{MSP|431|Glameow}}{{MSP|432|Purugly}}{{MSP|559|Scraggy}}{{MSP|560|Scrafty}}{{MSP|570|Zorua}} {{MSP|571|Zoroark}}{{MSP|585|Deerling}}{{MSP|586|Sawsbuck}}|Faint Attack|Dark|Physical|60|—|20|Smart|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|203|Girafarig}}{{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}{{MSP|325|Spoink}}{{MSP|326|Grumpig}}{{MSP|352|Kecleon}}{{MSP|428|Lopunny}}|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|161|Sentret}}{{MSP|162|Furret}}{{MSP|234|Stantler}}{{MSP|448|Lucario}}|Me First|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Cute|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|197|Umbreon}}{{MSP|504|Patrat}}{{MSP|505|Watchog}}|Mean Look|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|078|Rapidash}}{{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}{{MSP|503|Samurott}} {{MSP|586|Sawsbuck}}{{MSP|626|Bouffalant}}|Megahorn|Bug|Physical|120|85|10|Cool|2||}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|359|Absol}}|Perish Song|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|052|Meowth}}{{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|215|Sneasel}}{{MSP|461|Weavile}}{{MSP|228|Houndour}}{{MSP|229|Houndoom}} {{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}}{{MSP|434|Stunky}}{{MSP|435|Skuntank}}{{MSP|570|Zorua}} {{MSP|571|Zoroark}}|Punishment|Dark|Physical|—|100|5|Smart|1||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|050|Diglett}}{{MSP|051|Dugtrio}}{{MSP|161|Sentret}}{{MSP|162|Furret}} {{MSP|261|Poochyena}}{{MSP|262|Mightyena}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|327|Spinda}}{{MSP|352|Kecleon}}{{MSP|359|Absol}} {{MSP|431|Glameow}}{{MSP|432|Purugly}}|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5|Smart|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|054|Psyduck}}{{MSP|055|Golduck}}{{MSP|128|Tauros}}{{MSP|203|Girafarig}}{{MSP|234|Stantler}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}} {{MSP|301|Delcatty}}{{MSP|325|Spoink}}{{MSP|326|Grumpig}}{{MSP|517|Munna}}{{MSP|518|Musharna}}|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|Beauty|2}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Absol|dark|dark|5|3}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=dark |
ndex=359 |
pinballrs=Catch |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
type=dark |
body=1 |
rate=6.8 |
area=Darkness Ridge |
P1=I'm here to fight off natural disasters! |
P2=I feel weak... My remaining HP is just half... |
P3=I fear the worst... I cannot prevail against disasters... |
PL=I've leveled up! I feel empowered to fight disasters! |
Ranger=yes |
group=Dark |
assist=Dark |
field=Cut |
fieldpower=3 |
MinEXP=106 |
MaxEXP=146 |
loop=5 |
browser=Absol attacks using confusing copies. Its scythe can cut through anything. |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2 |
iq=C |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Dark |
assist2=Dark |
field2=Cut |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It launches {{m|Dark Pulse|dark pulses}} and {{m|Razor Wind|gusts of dark wind}} to attack. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Dark |
assist3=Dark |
field3=Cut |
field3power=4 |
browser3=It sends gusts of dark wind to attack. |
Pad=Absol is the Attraction Chief of Absol's Hurdle Bounce in the [[Granite Zone]]. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|sprite1=359
|name1=Absol
|type1-1=Dark}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=dark|
gen=3|
gender=none|
ndex=359|
name=Absol|
}}

==Trivia==
* Despite Pokédex entries which state it can sense calamities, it cannot have the ability {{a|Anticipation}}, nor can it have the ability {{a|Forewarn}}.
* Absol has the highest Attack of any non-legendary Pokémon which is not a part of an evolutionary family.
* Absol is the only Pokémon that can learn {{m|Psycho Cut}} by level that is not a {{type2|Psychic}} itself.
* Absol appears on [[Mount Coronet]] in places that one can first access when heading to [[Spear Pillar]] for {{v2|Platinum}}'s climax, where a disaster is about to occur.
**Similarly, in Pokemon Black and White, Absol can be found at the [[Giant Chasm]], a place where disasters are said to befall trainers and [[Unova Route 13|Route 13]], 13 being an unlucky number.
* Absol was the last answer to the [[Pokémon Trainer's Choice]].
* Absol learns the most variations of {{m|Slash}} of any Pokémon (barring {{p|Smeargle}}). In addition to Slash itself, it can learn {{m|Night Slash}}, {{m|Psycho Cut}} and {{m|Shadow Claw}}. The only variation Absol cannot learn is {{m|Cross Poison}}.
* Absol is the only non-[[legendary Pokémon]] featured on the box art for {{g|Box Ruby & Sapphire}}, though it often appears in legends.
* Absol is the only {{type2|Dark}} Pokémon in the {{DL|List of Pokémon by color|White|white color group}}.
* Absol learns the most moves of all non-Legendary Pokémon: 78.
* In Pokémon Ranger, Absol deals the most damage to the Styler, at 6, even over Metagross.

===Origin===
Absol is most likely based on the Bai Ze of Chinese mythology, also known as the {{wp|kutabe}} or hakutaku. It is generally described as a white beast that can take the form of a large mountainous lion, distinguished by having one or two horns on its head. They also are said to sometimes have an extra eye on their head or back. This "eye" could also be the middle symbol that appears on Absol's forehead. Absol's head is modeled after a {{wp|Yin and yang|Taijitu ("yin-yang")}}.
The Bai Ze (kutabe) predicted that a plague would sweep through the Toyama Prefecture of Japan. It is considered to be intelligent, and gifted with the ability to understand human speech. This would also match the fact of Absol's independence, habitat, and body seeing to be reminiscent of a {{wp|mountain lion|cougar}} and its independent nature. It may be also be based on the {{wp|black cat}} superstition. Another theory is that it may be derived from the {{wp|Chamois|chamois}} a mountain dwelling goat like animal of which local superstition claims that should any hunter harm one, would die within the year.

====Name origin====
Absol's name may be derived from 物騒 ''bussō'', dangerous, but much debate exists over the true origin of its name. One common theory is that it is a combination of ''ab-'', a prefix meaning away/from, and ''sol'', meaning sun, referring to its {{type2|Dark}} nature. It could also be a shortened form of "absolution" or "absolve", referring to the fact that while Absol foretells disasters, it does not cause them, thereby absolving it of guilt. Its name may also come from "Absalom", a name which, in Jewish tradition, is said to bring bad luck.

==In other languages==
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==Related articles==

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Talk:Erika

2010-11-06T02:53:05Z

Darkcloud1111: /* Chlorophyll */ new section

Um, no. It's Erika, not Erica. Who the heck made this page, and why haven't they played the games?

We all know that her name is EriKa. The origin of the choice of her name could derive from the name of a plant (heath) that in German is called "Erika" and in Italian is called "Erica". Anyway, don't get angry! If you have a better suggestion write it!

Is there a reason that the talk is found at [[Talk:Erica]], while the article is at [[Erika]]? [[Talk:Erika]] is a redirect to the C spelling... This should be fixed, for consistancy's sake, but it'd require the ability to delete pages (in order to preserve the history. You delete the K spelling redirect, move the C spelling to the K spelling, and there you go). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

:Don't worry, I fixed it. I have no idea why that happened to begin with, but thank you for catching that error. And it actually didn't require any deleting pages. It just moved it over a redirect. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 19:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I know this may seem minor, but Bellossom has a jumpluff picture.

== TM ==

I searched through it, and it seems to me Erika is the only Kanto Gym leader in G/S that gives a TM.
That seems strange to me, so I was wondering if that was true. Is it? Or is there some missing info or mistake?

No, I vividly remember Janine gave out TM 06 (Toxic), although She and Erika were the only Kanto Gym Leaders that did in G/S/C. [[User:FireplaceMan|FireplaceMan]] 08:35, 6 July 2009
(UTC)

== Manga Erika==
Isn't Erika Team Rocket in the Pokemon Speical?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|The Bulb's Master}} ([[User talk:The Bulb's Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/The Bulb's Master|contribs]]) ''
:No, but Lt Surge, Sabrina, Koga, and Blaine were at one time.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 18:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

== Tangela ==

[[Image:Tangelanime.jpg|200px]]
 Is this one Erika's one? So it could be added in the article. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 20:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

== Gloom ==
Why is [[Gloom]] a disambiguation page that links to Erika's Gloom. Should it be a page? Was it a page and then deemed not notable? Has it always been a redirect? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:Erika's Gloom formerly had an article, but it got merged into this page. The disambiguation page, Gloom, has been turned into a redirect. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== R/B/Y sprite ==

Are you absolutely sure that her R/B/Y sprite was colored? Because I'm pretty sure that the proper sprite doesn't have any color at all except for black and white.
:The sprites in RB, when played on a GB are monochrome. But when played on a GBC it adds a single colour over one of the greys, making it a kind of two colour sprite. Yellow, designed for the GBC, has slightly more colours. Since the GB itself has a monochrome display, the sprites will always be black and white when played on one. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Chlorophyll ==

Should it be noted that every pokemon Erika uses has the same ability, Chlorophyll. No other gym leader in the series has this same trait. --[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 02:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Sawk (Pokémon)

2010-10-20T18:11:31Z

Darkcloud1111:

{{Unknown Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Nageki | next=Kurumiru | prevnum=538| nextnum=540| type=Fighting }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
jname=ダゲキ |
tmname=Dageki |
size=180px|
image=539Dageki Dream.png|
caption=Art from [[Pokémon Dream World]]|
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|dah-geh-ki}}}''</sc> |
species=Karate |
typen=1 |
type1=Fighting |
type2= |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Sturdy |
ability2=Inner Focus |
abilityd=Mold Breaker |
ndex=539 |
idex=045 |

height-m=1.4 |

weight-kg=51.0 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Humanshape |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20 |
expyield=163 |
lv100exp=1,000,000|
gendercode=0 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=45 |
evat=2|
body=Unknown |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
footnotes=}}
([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ダゲキ''' ''Dageki'') is a {{type2|Fighting}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon, though seems to be related to {{p|Nageki}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Dageki is a Fighting-type Pokémon with a lean body, blue, rocky skin, and seemingly wearing a white and black martial arts outfit. Its head is almond-shaped, with a skewed "Z" shape over its nose and left eye. The collar of its outfit is rimmed in black, and the sleeves sport a crisscrossed pattern. Dageki’s hands are blue with three fingers. It has a black, martial-arts style belt, and its white “pants” have black patches on the knees. Its feet have three digits.

====Gender differences====
Dageki are a male-only species

===Special abilities===
Once a Dageki's belt is tied, it becomes even stronger.

===Behavior===
Dageki will become angry if its training it interrupted. It trains on mountains.

===Habitat===
Dageki usually train on mountains.
===Diet===

==In the anime==

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==


==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Fighting
|gen=5
|blackdex={{tt|ダゲキが　しゅぎょうする　やまから　おおいわや　たいぼくに　こぶしを　うちつける　おとが　きこえてくる。|On mountains where Dageki train, sounds can be heard from their fists hitting large boulders and trees.}}
|whitedex={{tt|おびを　しめると　きあいが　はいり　パンチの　はかいりょくが　ます。しゅぎょうを　ジャマすると　おこる。|Once it ties on its belt, the destructive power of its vigorous punches increases. It gets angry if its training is interrupted.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Fighting|

gen=5 |
bwrarity=Spot|
bwarea=Outside [[Yaguruma Forest]], Outside {{is|Victory Road}}, [[Route]]s {{rtn|10|Isshu}}, {{rtn|15|Isshu}}, and {{rtn|18|Isshu}} |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Fighting|
HP=75|
Attack=125|
Defense=75|
SpAtk=30|
SpDef=75|
Speed=85}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Fighting|
type2=|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 100 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric= 100 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 50
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Dageki|Fighting|Fighting|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|5|Bide|Normal|Physical|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|9|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Double Kick|Fighting|Physical|30|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|17|Ankle Sweep|Fighting|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|21|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Karate Chop|Fighting|Physical|50|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|37|Retaliation|Normal|Physical|70|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|41|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|45|Fast Guard|Fighting|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Close Combat|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|53|Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Dageki|Fighting|Fighting|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Dageki|Fighting|Fighting|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM08|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM47|Ankle Sweep|Fighting|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Canon|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliation|Normal|Physical|70|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Smooth Over|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM83|Cheer Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM84|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Dageki|Fighting|Fighting|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Dageki|fighting|fighting|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Dageki|fighting|fighting|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=none
|sprite1=539
|name1=Dageki
|type1-1=Fighting}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=fighting |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Dageki |
ndex=539 |
}}

==Trivia==
*Dageki is currently the only Pokémon that able to learn {{m|Rock Smash}} by leveling up.
*Even though Dageki is said to train on mountains, it can not learn the move {{m|Mountain Storm}} which is the signature move of Nageki.

===Origin===
Dageki is based upon a [[wp:Karate|Karate master]].

====Name origin====
Its name is likely derived from 打撃 ''dageki'', blow, strike.

==In other languages==


==External links==

==Notes==
<references />
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Nageki | next=Kurumiru | prevnum=538| nextnum=540| type=Fighting }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}




[[fr:Dageki]]

Talk:Team Plasma

2010-10-10T18:35:10Z

Darkcloud1111: /* Giovanni, Cyrus, Maxie, Archie */ new section

== Knights ==
They look kind of like medieval knights, don't they? xD --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:I'd agree, and that could in fact be something to do with their goals, or their names, or the style of their headquarters. Like with Team Galactic, or Team Aqua. But that's all just speculation on my part. But their crest looks like a chield, and that connects with the image of knights. [[User:Soul of Dawn|I can't stop thinking of you, the Soul of the Dawn we spent together...]] 14:43, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
::We could just mention that they resemble medieval knights (like how we make a note that Team Galactic's uniforms resemble space suits) and avoid all the speculation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
:::They look like German Order. Would make much more sense for them to be villains in a Poland-based region. But well... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:20, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
They're based on the knights templar. Strengthening the fact isshu is America.[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 12:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Giovanni, Cyrus, Maxie, Archie ==

In the trivia section, it states "They are also the first team where the leader is battled more then once, with N being battled a total of five times." However, in D/P, you battle Cyrus twice and in Pt you battle him 3 times. You also battle the leader of Team Aqua/Magma twice. Lastly, Giovanni is battled 3 times in R/B/Y/LG/FR [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 18:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Furret (Pokémon)/Generation II learnset

2010-03-13T06:53:55Z

Darkcloud1111:

{{pokelinkback|162|Furret}}
__NOTOC__
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|Normal|Normal|2|2|Furret}}
{{mlentry2|Start|Tackle|Normal|35|95|35||'''}}
{{mlentry2|Start|Defense Curl|Normal|—|—|40}}
{{mlentry2|Start|Quick Attack|Normal|40|100|30||'''}}
{{mlentry2|5|Defense Curl|Normal|—|—|40}}
{{mlentry2|11|Quick Attack|Normal|40|100|30||'''}}
{{mlentry2|18|Fury Swipes|Normal|18|80|15||'''}}
{{mlentry2|28|Slam|Normal|80|75|20||'''}}
{{mlentry2|38|Rest|Psychic|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry2|48|Amnesia|Psychic|—|—|20}}
{{movelist/note|2|Normal}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Normal|Normal|2|2|Furret}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM01]]|DynamicPunch|Fighting|100|50|5}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM02]]|Headbutt|Normal|70|100|15||'''}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM03]]|Curse|???|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM04]]|Rollout|Rock|30|90|20}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|—|85|10}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|—|100|15}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|—|—|5}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM13]]|Snore|Normal|40|100|15||'''}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|150|90|5||'''}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM20]]|Endure|Normal|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|—|100|20||'''}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|100|75|15}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|—|100|20||'''}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|60|100|10}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|80|100|15}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM31]]|Mud-Slap|Ground|20|100|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|—|—|15}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM33]]|Ice Punch|Ice|75|100|15}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM34]]|Swagger|Normal|—|90|15}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM35]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM39]]|Swift|Normal|60|—|20||'''}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM40]]|Defense Curl|Normal|—|—|40}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM41]]|ThunderPunch|Electric|75|100|15}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM43]]|Detect|Fighting|—|—|5}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|—|100|15}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|40|100|10}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM48]]|Fire Punch|Fire|75|100|15}}
{{mlentry2|[[TM49]]|Fury Cutter|Bug|10|95|20}}
{{mlentry2|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|50|95|30||'''}}
{{mlentry2|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|95|100|15}}
{{mlentry2|[[HM04]]|Strength|Normal|80|100|15||'''}}
{{movelist/note|2|Normal}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|Normal|Normal|2|2|Furret}}
{{mlentry2|{{p|Phanpy}}, {{p|Donphan}}|Double-Edge|Normal|120|100|15||'''}}
{{mlentry2|{{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Raticate}} {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Nidorino}}, {{p|Nidoking}} {{p|Mankey}}, {{p|Primeape}}|Focus Energy|Normal|—|—|30}}
{{mlentry2|{{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Raticate}} {{p|Tauros}}, {{p|Umbreon}}, {{p|Dunsparce}}|Pursuit|Dark|40|100|20}}
{{mlentry2|{{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Raticate}} {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Raichu}} {{p|Mankey}}, {{p|Nidorino}}, {{p|Nidoking}} {{p|Mankey}}, {{p|Primeape}} {{p|Rhyhorn}}, {{p|Rhydon}} {{p|Cyndaquil}}, {{p|Quilava}}, {{p|Typhlosion}} {{p|Sentret}}, {{p|Furret}}|Reversal|Fighting|—|100|15|*}}
{{mlentry2|{{p|Sandshrew}}, {{p|Sandslash}} {{p|Diglett}}, {{p|Dugtrio}} {{p|Meowth}}, {{p|Persian}} {{p|Farfetch'd}} {{p|Sneasel}} {{p|Sneasel}}, {{p|Ursaring}}|Slash|Normal|70|100|20||'''}}
{{eggmoves/note|2|Normal}}

====By [[move tutor|tutoring]]====
None.

Talk:M12

2010-01-01T04:54:26Z

Darkcloud1111:

==Previous discussion==
* [[Talk:Arceus and the Jewel of Life/Archive 1|Archive 1]]: 14 December 2008 - 7 December 2009
==Arceus Types?==
Hello, I'm new here and I was just wondering why did the movie say there were only 15/16 plates, when there are 18 (including the ???-Type) types. Is it a mistake. If it is, shouldn't be in the Trivia section? Thanks for clearing this up. --[[User:Skymin23|Flying]] 03:51, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
:There are only 16 plates total because there is no ??? plate or normal plate. the ??? type doesnt actually have anything in it except the move curse which affects ghost and other types differently which is why it is a ??? type.[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 16:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, than, what happen to the 17th plate? [[User:Skymin23|Flying]] 04:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:there isn't a 17th plate, there are only 16 plates. there isnt a normal type plate because Arceus is a normal type when not holding a plate, thus extinguishing the need for a normal plate. ??? isnt an actual type so it doesnt have a plate. look at the page on plates and see for yourself

Talk:M12

2009-12-31T16:35:37Z

Darkcloud1111:

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

2009-08-27T03:27:48Z

Darkcloud1111:

Dragonite (Pokémon)

2009-08-27T03:26:13Z

Darkcloud1111:

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Dragonair | next=Mewtwo|type=dragon|type2=flying| prevnum=148| nextnum=150}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Dragonite |
pron=<sc>drag-uh-''nite''</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=カイリュー |
tmname=Kairyu |
image=149Dragonite.png |
size=130 |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=149 |
jdex=243 |
hdex=304 |
fdex=038 |
typen=2 |
type1=Dragon |
type2=Flying |
species=Dragon |
height-ftin=7'03" |
height-m=2.2 |
weight-lbs=463.0 |
weight-kg=210.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Inner Focus |
ability2= |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Water 1 |
egggroup2=Dragon |
eggcycles=40 |
evat=3 |
expyield=218 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Brown |
catchrate=45 |
body=06 |
pokefordex=dragonite |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Dragonite''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''カイリュー''' ''Kairyu'') is a dual-type {{2t|Dragon|Flying}} [[pseudo-legendary]] Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Dragonair}} starting at [[level]] 55. It is the final form of {{p|Dratini}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Despite being bulky, Dragonite are incredibly agile and fast. Unlike its pre-evolutions, they are orange and possess arms and legs. They resemble European dragons, and each one has a pair of little wings that can increase in size while flying. They have a taller stature than most humans.
====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
Dragonite are very strong. They can cause a great deal of damage to most Pokémon. When they become particularly angry, they may go on a {{m|Outrage|rampage}}, and will be unable to control their aggression for some time. They are also able to use many elemental attacks such as Thunder, Ice Beam, Flamethrower, Water Pulse and the elemental punches.

===Behavior===
Dragonite have a kindhearted disposition. They have been said to save people from drowning and lead ships that have been trapped in storms to safety. Dragonite are said to have an intelligence matching humans. Their speed is so immense they are capable to circle around the globe in sixteen hours.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Watersedge.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Water's-edge Pokémon}}]]
Dragonite are very rare in the wild, if found at all. People have claimed that there is an island somewhere that only Dragonite inhabit.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Dragonite anime.png|right|thumb|210px|Dragonite in the anime]]
In the {{pkmn|anime}}, Dragonite seemed to be an unknown Pokémon before ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]]'', [[Bill]] is seen looking at the Pokémon and calling it unknown. That Dragonite was a [[giant Pokémon]].

The first time that Dragonite actually made an appearance was during ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]].'' The orange dragon delivered an invitation to {{Ash}} and co. to come to [[New Island]].

A {{TP|Drake|Dragonite}} belonging to {{OBP|Drake|Orange League}} was used to battle Ash in ''[[EP111|Hello Pummello]]'' and ''[[EP112|Enter the Dragonite]]''.

[[Lance]] used his Dragonite to defeat the [[Red Gyarados]] in ''[[EP236|Rage of Innocence]].'' [[Lance's Dragonite]] appeared again during ''[[AG098|The Scuffle of Legends]]''.

A Dragonite that belonged to the original [[Gym Leader]] of the [[Blackthorn Gym]] appeared in ''[[EP252|Fangs For Nothing]]''. This Dragonite went on a rampage when [[Team Rocket]] tried to steal a sacred bowl of fire in the following episode.

[[Professor Oak]] is revealed to own a very powerful Dragonite in ''[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]''.

[[Provo]]'s Dragonite appeared in ''[[DP118|Pursuing a Lofty Goal!]]'' as one of the participants of the [[PokéRinger]] competition.

{{Animedexheader|Orange}}
{{Animedexbody|EP111|Dragonite|Ash's Pokédex|Dragonite, the Dragon Pokémon. This extremely rare and highly intelligent type is able to fly faster than any known Pokémon.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Orange}}

==In the manga==
In [[Pokémon Special]], [[Lance]], leader of the [[Elite Four]], has a Dragonite.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Dragonite (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}: After the sixth mission, it is possible to use the Dragonite Bus. The Dragonite must be captured once but afterwards it will fly the player to any of the Ranger bases.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|type2=flying
|gen=1
|redbluedex=An extremely rarely seen marine Pokémon. Its intelligence is said to match that of humans.
|yellowdex=It is said that this Pokémon lives somewhere in the sea and that it flies. However, it is only a rumor.
|stadiumdex=Has intelligence on par with people. This "sea guardian" is said to be capable of flying around the globe in about 16 hours.
|golddex=It is said that this Pokémon constantly flies over the immense seas and rescues drowning people.
|silverdex=This marine Pokémon has an impressive build that lets it freely fly over raging seas without trouble.
|crystaldex=It is said that somewhere in the ocean lies an island where these gather. Only they live there.
|stadium2dex=It is said that this Pokémon constantly flies over the immense seas and rescues drowning people.
|rubydex=Dragonite is capable of circling the globe in just sixteen hours. It is a kindhearted Pokémon that leads lost and foundering ships in a storm to the safety of land.
|sapphiredex=Dragonite is capable of circling the globe in just sixteen hours. It is a kindhearted Pokémon that leads lost and foundering ships in a storm to the safety of land.
|emeralddex=It can circle the globe in just 16 hours. It is a kindhearted Pokémon that leads lost and foundering ships in a storm to the safety of land.
|firereddex=It can fly in spite of its big and bulky physique. It circles the globe in just 16 hours.
|leafgreendex=Very few people ever see this Pokémon. Its intelligence is said to match that of humans.
|diamonddex=It is said to make its home somewhere in the sea. It guides crews of shipwrecks to shore.
|pearldex=It is said to make its home somewhere in the sea. It guides crews of shipwrecks to shore.
|platinumdex=It is said to make its home somewhere in the sea. It guides crews of shipwrecks to shore.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=dragon |
type2=flying|
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Dragonair}} |
yarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Dragonair}} |
gsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Dragonair}} |
carea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Dragonair}} |
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Dragonair}} |
xdrarity=One |
xdarea=[[Gateon Port]] |
xdshadow=yes |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Dragonair}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Dragonair}} |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=dragon
|type2=flying
|snap=[[Pokémon Island Valley|Valley]]
|trozei={{PM|2|Phobos Jet}} Trozei Battle [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=Evolve from {{p|Dragonair}}
|ranger=[[Ring Town]]
|md2=Evolve from {{p|Dragonair}}
|scramble=[[Cold Meadow]]
}}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 91 |
Attack= 134 |
Defense= 95 |
SpAtk= 100 |
SpDef= 100 |
Special=100 |
Speed= 80 |
type=Dragon |
type2=Flying }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
type2=Flying|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Water= 50 |
Ice= 400 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 |
notes=yes|
flying=yes|
newground=1}}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Dragonite}}
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|dragon|flying|4|1|Dragonite}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|5|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|11|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|15|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|21|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|25|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|33|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|39|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|47|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|53|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|55|Wing Attack|Flying|Physical|60|100|35|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|64|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|73|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{movelist/note|3|dragon|flying}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|dragon|flying|4|1|Dragonite}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM01]]|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM02]]|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM05]]|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM26]]|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM31]]|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM35]]|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM38]]|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM40]]|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM47]]|Steel Wing|Steel|Physical|70|90|25|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM51]]|Roost|Flying|Status|—|—|10|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM52]]|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM59]]|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM71]]|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM80]]|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM02]]|Fly|Flying|Physical|95|90|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM04]]|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM05]]|Defog|Flying|Status|—|—|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM07]]|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{movelist/note|4|dragon|flying}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|dragon|flying|4|1|Dragonite}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Altaria}} {{p|Bagon}}, {{p|Shelgon}}, {{p|Salamence}}|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Kingdra}} {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Gyarados}}|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Gabite}}, {{p|Garchomp}}|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Arbok}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Surskit}}, {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Seviper}}|Haze|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}} {{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Feebas}}, {{p|Milotic}}|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2|*}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Lapras}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}} {{p|Lotad}}, {{p|Lombre}}, {{p|Ludicolo}} {{p|Swablu}}, {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Prinplup}}, {{p|Empoleon}}|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mantine}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}}|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|Smart|2}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|dragon|flying}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|dragon|flying|4|1|Dragonite}}
{{mtentry4|Air Cutter|Flying|Special|55|95|25|Cool|3||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|yes|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10|Beauty|1|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5|Smart|2||'''|no|no|no|yes|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|DynamicPunch|Fighting|Physical|100|50|5|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Fury Cutter|Bug|Physical|10|95|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Heat Wave|Fire|Special|100|90|10|Beauty|2|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|yes|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|2|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5|Smart|0|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|yes|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|Tough|2|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2|||yes|yes|yes|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|dragon|flying}}

====Special moves====
{{Shadow moves|149|55|Shadow Down|Shadow Rush|Shadow Shed|Shadow Storm|Heal Bell|Normal|Hyper Beam|Normal|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Earthquake|Ground|xd|dragon|flying}}

====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
{{movelistspecial|Dragon|Flying|4|4|Dragonite}}
{{mlentry4special|[[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2008#Saikyou Dragonite|Saikyou]] and [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2008#Toys R Us Dragonite|Toys "R" Us]] Events|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''|50}}
{{movelist/note|4|dragon|flying}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=dragon |
ndex=149 |
Pinevo=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=4 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Mystic Lake |
P1=I fly, but I'm still considered a guardian of the sea. |
P2=My HP's getting down to half. |
P3=I can't keep up... There's no strength left... |
PL=Yes! I've leveled up! Let me work even harder for you! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG=Flying |
typeA=Flying |
fieldpower=0 |
field=None |
loop=3 |
browser=Dragonite transports Rangers from town to town if they are deemed to be worthy. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-10% |
iq=D |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2|147|Dratini|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 30]]|148|Dragonair|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 55]]|149|Dragonite|2|Dragon|Flying}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=dragon|
type2=flying|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=149|
name=Dragonite|
}}

==Trivia==
* Dragonite has the second highest base stat average of all non-legendary Pokémon, the first being {{p|Slaking}}. However, it is tied with the four other [[pseudo-legendary]] evolutions. Dragonite is also tied with many other legendaries for base stat average, including {{p|Mew}}, {{p|Celebi}}, {{p|Deoxys}}, {{p|Latios}}, and {{p|Latias}}.
* Of all the evolved Pokémon that evolve by level alone, Dragonite evolves to its final form later than any other Pokémon, at level 55. It shares this trait with {{p|Tyranitar}}.
* A Dragonite in Red, Blue, and Green has an illegal move, {{m|Barrier}}. This Dragonite belonged to [[Lance]]. Lance would later have another Pokémon with an illegal move: a [[Generation II]] {{p|Aerodactyl}} that knows {{m|Rock Slide}} (Aerodactyl could not learn Rock Slide legally until [[Generation III]]).
**[[Lance]] also has 3 Dragonite below level 55 during [[Generation II]].
* Dragonite is shorter than {{p|Dragonair|its pre-evolution}}, but much more bulky.
* Given that the size of the Pokémon World is approximately the same as Earth, and Dragonite can make a complete cycle of the Earth in sixteen hours, Dragonite's top flying speed is roughly {{tt|1,556 mph|About 2,504 km/h}}, approximately three times the speed of an average {{wp|airplane}}.
===Origin===
Dragonite resembles a {{wp|European dragon}} or fairy dragon; its description as the "guardian of the sea" may also suggest it has elements similar to {{wp|Chinese dragon}}.
====Name origin====
Dragonite's name appears to be a combination of ''{{wp|dragon}}'' and ''{{wp|knight}},'' "ignite," or ''night''. It could also refer to ''draconite'', a mythical stone of dragons. Its Japanese name is a combination of 海 ''kai'', ocean, or 破壊 ''hakai'', destruction, and 竜 ''ryū'', dragon.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Dragoran
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Dracolosse - From ''Draco'' ({{P|Dragonair}}'s name in French and the Latin word for dragon), and ''colosse'' (colossal).
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 망나뇽 ''Mangnanyong''

==Related articles==
* [[Drake's Dragonite]]
* [[Lance's Dragonite]]

==External links==

==Notes==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Dragonair | next=Mewtwo|type=dragon|type2=flying| prevnum=148| nextnum=150}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon that are included in the Japan-only Pokémon Stadium]]

[[de:Dragoran]]
[[es:Dragonite]]
[[fr:Dracolosse]]
[[ja:カイリュー]]
[[pl:Dragonite]]
[[pt:Dragonite (pokémon)]]

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

2009-08-26T07:55:51Z

Darkcloud1111:

Talk:Pokémon breeding

2009-08-17T00:57:59Z

Darkcloud1111:

OOps. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:45, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Should this be listed under Pokémon Breeding or simply Breeding? -[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Probably Poke breeding with a redirect from "breeding"

A picture says more than tousand words

== Strange Breeding: How did these things happen? ==

A couple of strange things happened to me when I was breeding a male Blaziken with a female Phanpy (which is strange enough in itself, I guess)
#When the egg hatched, the Phanpy knew Rock Smash. This shouldn't have been able to happen because I had previously deleted Rock Smash from Blaziken via the Move Deleter guy.
#The Phanpy hatched holding a PP Up! Needless to say, I was thrilled, but is there any reason for this occurance? Is it random or predictable?
Thanks a lot →[[User:Evin290|Evin290]] 12:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:I don;t know about the first, but I believe the second is because of Phanphy's ability "Pickup".--[[User:Skully Collins|Skully Collins]] 08:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah the PP Up is definetly a result of the pick-up. As for the rock smash, no clue. --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 02:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

== Abilities ==
I have seen, and the D/P Nintendo power guide states that, you can pass on abilities via breeding. This would be important to note, wouldn't it? It seems like something that big should be listed. Especially when you consider the possibilities! (I personally love my wonder-guarded sableye) Also, I think this should possibly be noted in the "chain breeding" section as well.
--[[User:TheCakeIsALie|TheCakeIsALie]] 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

True. Good eye. You may place it in the article in the appropriate place. And don't forget your sig or people won't know who you are.{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 06:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:No! Abilities are NOT PASSED ON. By Abilities they meant Natures. Go on, try it. ABILITIES CANNOT BE PASSED ON. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Plus, the only Pokémon with Wonder Guard can't breed with anything but Ditto, so it'd never pass it on to Sableye. If you got that thing in a trade, it's hacked, man. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Crap, thanks for pointing that out. Dang... But on another note, you CAN pass abilities legitimately, but I misread: they are passed along by the mother, so it would stay in the proper species. (the example given in NP's guide is 2 bibarel breed. Mother has Simple, father has Unaware, so offspring is a Bidoof with Simple.) So I was halfway right, but again, thanks for poiinting that out. I guess I ought to not use it much then, huh?--[[User:TheCakeIsALie|TheCakeIsALie]] 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== Tauros & Miltank ==

Can anybody confirm for certain that their eggs are supposed to be 50% Tauros and 50% Miltank? I've personally hatched 11 eggs from a Tauros and a Ditto, and all of them were Tauros, which means I must be exceptionally unlucky if half of them are supposed to be Miltank. FYI, I'm playing Diamond where Miltank are rarer than Tauros (the opposite is true in Pearl). I thought it would be easier to breed a Miltank than catch one. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 17:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the 50-50 chance thing is only if you breed a Miltank with Ditto; all of Tauros's kids with Ditto will be Tauros. [[User:Fsilone|Fsilone]] 22:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

:There is no way in any of the games for Tauros to hatch from a Miltank egg, or for Miltank to hatch from a Tauros egg. MorningStar edited this page with a note indicating otherwise as early as in March 2006, which is to say without knowledge of Diamond and Pearl. I believe no one bothered to fix it then due to the possibility of that holding true in the upcoming games, and since their release everyone has assumed the statement to be true because it was on the page so early on. Regardless of the reason, this note should have long been removed; it is easy to verify that even when breeding Miltank and Tauros ''together'' in the latest games, the product is still always a Miltank. I have done so for the sake of being on the safe side. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

::I've changed this section of the page. I can confirm empirically (hatched 41 eggs: 28 from a Miltank + Ditto, 13 from a Miltank + various Ground-group Pokes) that you cannot hatch a Tauros from a Miltank egg in Pokemon Pearl, and I assume the same goes for Diamond; based on Unown Lord's comments I am assuming this applies to all the games. If it turns out you can, then feel free to revert the page - I haven't hacked the code, this is entirely based on testing, so it's possibly that I was ''extremely'' unlucky and happened to get 41 eggs that all hatched Miltank purely by chance, but I think that's unlikely.

::The only sources I can find online that support the Miltank/Tauros breeding line are either questionable (user FAQs on the Marriland forum that contain other errors) or based on this site. [[User:Castorquinn|Castorquinn]] 22:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ditto + Ditto? ==

Someone settle something for me: Can you breed Ditto with Ditto? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

No. I tried. - [[User:MacGyver|MacGyver]]

Thanks. *notices the Discussion page for Ditto and wonders why he didn't look there in the first place*. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]

Then how are there wild ditto if they can't breed together?
Do they spontaneously appear or something? [[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 05:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Ditto looks like a big pile of goo, maybe over time they split in half like bacteria. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 00:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Technical Question ==

Do the natures of the parents make any difference on whether or not they will produce an egg? I'm trying to get my Dragonite to give Outrage to a new Gible, and the old man in Solaceon says they don't like eachother at all... Obviously that's not good, but why, and what can I do to change it?
:At all? ..are you sure you're breeding a Dragonite with a <s>complete haxxmacheen</s> Garchomp? Cause I do believeth that Garchomp and Dragonite can breed. o_o; {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 04:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::Not at all? You sure? Pretty much always when they're in the same egg group, they'll breed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:I have had similar problems. Sometimes I always make sure to check the Egg Groups before I attempt breeding, but every once in a while, the Daycare Man in Diamond tells me that they dislike each other. (oops, forgot to sign) --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

There's no problem at all, peeps! If 'They don't like each other very much' it doesn't matter! AS long as they don't totally despise each other that's okay. I tried Ditto with my Lucario (TTE said it would work) and it worked altough they didn't like each other! [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 09:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::Why do I feel compelled to respond to this comment by saying "Rape!"[[User:Mystrich|Mystrich]] 06:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The message “They don´t seem to like each other much.” indicates that the Pokémon are of different species but have the same trainer IDs, which means that out of all breedable Pokémon pairs, they have the lowest chance of producing an egg. This lower chance translates to a statistically longer period of waiting until the Daycare man hands you the egg, but nothing beyond that. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 10:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it means that it's sort of like when two people pretend to hate each other but they really love each other but don't know it themselves. Eventually they find what they have in common and fall in love. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 15:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
== Question ==

"However, there are two pairs of Pokémon species where the male and female are treated as different Pokémon. In these cases, the egg may hatch into either the male or female species:

*[[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)|Nidoran♀]] and [[Nidoran♂ (Pokémon)|Nidoran♂]]
*[[Illumise (Pokémon)|Illumise]] and [[Volbeat (Pokémon)|Volbeat]]"

Would this also be true in the case of Tauros and Miltank? Could a Miltank have an egg containing Tauros? Just asking cause it's not listed in the article. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 10:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Would it be true to say that only the female can lay and egg that could be either? I tried breeding a Nidoran♂ with a Ditto to get a [[Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)|♀]] but I just ended up with a dozen [[Nidoran♂ (Pokémon)|♂]]s. I did succesfully get a [[Volbeat (Pokémon)|Volbeat]] from an [[Illumise (Pokémon)|Illumise]].
Oh, and [[Tauros (Pokémon)|Tauros]] and [[Miltank (Pokémon)|Miltank]] are also linked.. [[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland Mudkip]] ☆{{MS|001|Bulbasaur}} 11:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

:Your first assertion is correct, and has thus been added to the page. As noted in a paragraph above by myself, Tauros and Miltank are simply not linked. It seems to me that the disillusion of not having a calf-like Pokémon as a pre-evolution to both, has caused a multitude of fans to believe in some fabricated indication that one is forthcoming. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 06:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== TMs ==

Can you pass down TM moves that weren't learned by TM? I'm going to breed my male Banette with Will-O-Wisp (Learned naturally) with a female Drifloon, and I'm wondering if it'll pass down Will-O-Wisp... {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 20:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yep. It's what I do so as to save TMs from being used. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

== Languages ==

Is this encyclopedia in American English or Commonwealth English? Becuase the most recent edit was from "travelling" to "traveling", or Commonwealth to American.

Yea, we're American (well, I think. Ask and admin. I'm pretty sure we're American English). --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 12:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I as actually gonna do something else on the page after editing that (since Firefox does the red line under words that aren't in its dictionary), but I got distracted by something else and just decided "eh."
:But really, Bulbapedia's got contributors from all over. Though, well, American spelling's used in the games throughout their English release, as far as I know. They don't go through all the text changing the spelling of a few words, and I certainly didn't intend for my edit to be just that. It was more just "hey, look, red line. Fix that and... um... what else was I gonna do?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 16:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Inbreeding ==

What is it? {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|11:19 13 Mar 2008}}}'''
:...Don't ask. You don't wanna know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Inbreeding is when closely related individuals mate and have children. It's very taboo in human culture but animal breeders do this with certain breeds of an animal, like dogs. It's not a good idea for people inbreed because recessive genes could be more pronounced and genetic defects can occur. - PDL
:Told ya you didn't wanna know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
::The PRima Games guide states that inbreeding is impossible in Emerald. Proves that you can't trust Prima. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:12 5 Sep 2008'''''

== Uhh yeah ==

Uhm. This is weird, but i've had two weird things happen with breeding that make little sense. Like, first, this happened today, i put my Shieldon and Cranidos in the day-care (one female, the other male) and the old man said "These two prefer too play with other Pokémon" and i like, i came back too get them and they'd had an egg, and last time i checked, "They prefer too play with other Pokémon" meant they weren't going too have an egg (i took the egg anyway). Uhm, the second thing, which is really weird, happened a few months ago on my Pokémon Emerald, i put my male Charizard and male Blaziken in the Daycare (cos i'm too lazy too train them myself) ...and they had an egg |: Last time i checked, Guy + Guy does not = baby/egg |: I'm 100% sure they we're both male. I was pretty sure it was just a glitch in the game, but i was wondering if it's happened too anyone else? (also, the egg was a normal Torchic, normal stats, normal moves, nothing weird/glitch-y about it)

~ [[user:takoto|Takoto]]

Wow... That's really weird [[User:Darkmaster0|Darkmaster]][[User talk:Darkmaster0|0]]

: Obviously {{MS|006|Charizard}} and {{MS|257|Blaziken}} adopted. I guess they don't mind adoption by same-sex couples in Sinnoh. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 00:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::The thing that happened with Charizard and Blaziken happened on Emerald (: If they adopted, where did they adopt from? O: [[user:Takoto|Takoto]]

|: It happened, again, only this time; Leafgreen. Someone please tell me that Umbreon and Caterpie are somehow in the same egg group. Scratch what i said earlier, I'm almost sure that the Blaziken/Charizard thing happened on LeafGreen, not Emerald |: *totally remembered after i posted that xD Uh soooo yeah, i think the Breeding's glitch'd up in my LeafGreen...Well, it wasn't even originally mine, it was my Cousins |: But I'm sure he didn't cheat or anything too make every Pokémon breed with every other Pokémon. Plus i did some test; i tried too breed some Pokémon and they didn't breed, the Legendaries didn't (I actually wanted a level 5 Mewtwo xD at one point) But yeah \: Is my games breeding system glitched up or is it just....oddities? [[User:Takoto|Takoto]] 15:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::I would say you somehow glitched your game. Been using AR/GS/whatever? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::*Shake head* I've never used Action reply or Game shark on my Leafgreen...

==Length of time to breed==
After getting frustrated by the time it took to breed on my old silver version, I looked around for information on how long it takes two pokemon to have an egg, and I found [http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/rossos_pokemon/breeding.html this site]. This is information I think bulbapedia needs. The problem is, I don't have any other sources on it, it doesn't say if the formula holds true for later Gens as well, and the author admits that his numbers are estimates. Does anyone know anything about this topic? [[User:Cheesus Is Lord|Cheesus Is Lord]] 22:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== Female Eevees ==

Hi I've tried to breed my Eevee several times but everytime time I do I get male Eevees and I kinda wanna have a female one, I was wondering if there's any way to force an egg to hatch into a female pokemon r something, I've tried hatching it in Foarama town like I read somewhere but that didnt work..
Having said that I did get a female Eevee once but it was very random
:12.5% chance of getting female Eevee. You were just unlucky. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:14 5 Sep 2008'''''

== Multiple eggs ==

I've been hatching several eggs at a time (getting three eggs, storing the parents, and then running up and down), and the number of steps in between hatches is always a multiple of 255, with 510 as the minimum (recent numbers are 510 and 1275). The steps between picking up the eggs are as low as 256, and I was carrying around Camerupt with Magma Armor. The numbers don't make sense unless there's some delay added to the other eggs when picking up eggs or hatching them, or some other weird hidden factor. Game is Pearl, by the way, and I've been using a Mach Bike. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 04:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tutored moves ==

Can they be passed on to children like [[TM]] moves? I know I tried it once, but I can't remember the result. Anybody know for certain? Either way, whether it works or not, it should probably be mentioned in this article or [[move tutor]] (or both). [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 13:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think they can unless they're egg moves (Outrage from Salamence to baby Charmander) or shared by both father and child, the child's in its level-up set, while the mother also knows it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

==POSSIBLE SPADING SOLUTION!!!==

I don't know, but according to Smogon, there's some sort of step counter that resets at 255. Follow this link for more info. http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/breeding_guide_part2#steps_required
[[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 15:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Wow. I'm surprised that Smogon has a guide on stuff that has nothing to do with battling, and it has stuff that this wiki doesn't have. Anyway, I'll read it and try to incorporate it into this page.
:What's the policy on crediting, anyway? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 01:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Confused ==

On this page, it says that Nidorina and Nidoqueen can't be breed whatsoever, but [[No eggs (egg group)#Trivia|here]] it says that they can. Which one is true? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 19:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

You misread the trivia, it says that "for some reason their male counterparts can", which, of course, does not make sense. '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 23:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny breeding ==

Hey, I got a shiny male Tentacruel, and a female Corsola, the shine-effect will be given to the baby Corsola? 
[[User:Homie|Homie]] 15:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not unless you're playing Gold/Silver, in which case there would be a higher chance of shininess. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Everstone ==

Can we punt/delete the Gen IV sentence that says that the Everstone trick doesn't work anymore? It still does and I've done it several times. [[User:Rappak|Rappak]] 20:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:Are you sure? Notice that it says it doesn't work when the two Pokémon are from different language cartridges. E.g., it doesn't work if you try to breed an American Pokémon and a Japanese Pokémon together. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 20:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::Let me double check the foriegn, but I know it works with two pokemon of the same cartridges. I'm almost positive it still works. [[User:Rappak|Rappak]] 21:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, it does work with two Pokémon from the same cartridge, but not with two foreign Pokémon, and that is what the article is referring to. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]])

== Inbreedible Pokemon? ==
Okay so I have this male Charizard that I want to breed so I can send the Charmander over to my Leaf Green Version. I put it in the daycare with SEVERAL DIFFERENT Dittos, each with a different nature. All of them did not have interest in my Charizard or vice-versa. I looked up the nature and noticed that it had a LAX nature (Charizard). Do I need a certain natured ditto or something to be able to breed? --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 03:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lack of interest does not mean they won't make an egg. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|¿Nos hablamos?]] 22:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just wait a bit longer and take any further "how do I/what do I/where do I" game related questions to {{BMGf||the forums}}. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

what was the exact message the guy said? if he said "they dont seem to like each other" that means they will still breed but it just takes a little while longer, if he said "they prefer to play with other pokemon" then they cant breed and never will [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 22:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:These quotations need to go in the article. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

yep, they'll still breed. Thanks alot everyone. --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 23:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

== Genders ==

When are they defined for the egg, when it is received or when it hatches? [[User:Anastius|Anastius]] 10:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:What do you mean by "defined".--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::In the game data - the user wishes to know if once the player receives the egg, the gender of the hatched Pokemon has already been set. In my experience, yes, along with the nature. But I could have just been really unlucky. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::: It is definitely set when it hatches. I have hatched an army of Scyther (trying to get one with a "Rash" nature) and the gender and nature were always the same for the pokemon, even if i saved the game before it hatched, had it do so, and restarted it. So yes, gender and nature are determined when the Egg is conceived. Also, if makes since if you think about the hereditary moves, TM it can learn, etc when you pick which Pokémon you want to breed to get the egg. --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 20:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Egg Moves ==
How are egg moves determined? I mean, theres a list of moves that can be learned by pokemon by breeding for each pokemon. Was that found out by testing, and so its possible there are others it could learn, or is there a certain list of moves that a pokemon can use determined by the game and so anything thats not listed can't ever be learned? ([[User:MaoDaAmargura|MaoDaAmargura]] 01:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC))
:its shown in the official Guide books, and some are made off of users testing it. EG tangela has an unlisted move[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 02:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's also in the game's internal coding. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, but i think hes referring to how we found it. Not all of us can access the coding, I assure you.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 01:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== I dont get it........ ==
I had a male machamp which knew Revenge, cross chop, karete chop and dynamicunch
but when i bred it with a ditto the baby only knew its starting moves(low kick and leer) i'mpretty sure machop can learn all of my machamps moves what happend--[[User:Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur|Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur]] 20:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:try breeding with a female machoke [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 20:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

== Need Explaination ==

In the Trivia section it reads, "No negative effects occur from inbreeding Pokémon in Generation III and Generation IV, despite this being impossible in Generation II." Can someone please explain this statement? - [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 17:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:It may be referencing that, in real life, inbreeding can lead to developmental problems in the newborns, and so no such issues (always poor IVs, for example, or crappy natures) would occur in the Pokemon games. The second part is straightforward; you cannot breed a parent Pokemon with its offspring in G/S/C. I'm not sure if sibling breeding is allowed, however. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 14:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::Is it mentioned anywhere in the article, other than in the trivia, about inbreeding being impossible in Generation II? I skimmed over the article and saw nothing, but I might be wrong. I suggest, if it isn't already there, someone do a little segment on this, as I didn't really notice this in-game and it's kinda interesting. I'd do it myself, but I don't know much about the breeding of Generation II, and I've lost Crystal right now, and my emulators are too laggy to play on my laptop. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 15:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::@Star - Sibling breeding is allowed, the mechanics that prevent Parent-child breeding are related to IVs (or DV, as they were caled back then) and there is no relation on opposite sex siblings' IVs in GSC.
:::@It does, in the "Inheriting stats" section. [[User:Mr. Charlie|'''Mr. Charlie''']]([[User_Talk:Mr. Charlie|''TalkToMe'']]) 15:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== Tauros and Miltank again ==

From the article: ''Note that while Miltank and Tauros are considered to be the female and male of the same species in the canon, for the purposes of breeding they are separate species''

In what canon, exactly, are they considered "male and female of the same species"? Wouldn't, by nature of the fact that they cannot breed with each other to produce baby Tauros or Miltank, they NOT be [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 20:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:??? They can breed with each other to produce baby Miltank... But I agree, not the same species, would like to hear what canon says so. Also, that bit about Volbeat and Nido♂ breeding with Ditto is interesting, {{tt|Pokémon must have ZW sex chromosomes|and no I am not going to campaign to have that included in the article}}. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hatched Genders ==

Has anyone figured out when a newly-hatched Pokémon's gender is set? Does it happen at the time of the egg's conception, or does it happen when it's hatched? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 03:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:When it's received from the daycare. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Nidoqueen (Pokémon)

2009-08-17T00:54:57Z

Darkcloud1111:

Breeding Issue: if Nidoqueen is unable to breed, why is there a section under the attacks saying all the moves Nidoqueen can learn from breeding? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 00:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:Because its fully unevolved form, {{p|Nidoran♀}}, is capable of breeding and being a hatch result. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:: OK, but here's another question real fast. Can a Nidoran (female) give birth to Nidoran (male) because the Nidoking evolution line is completely male and one of the things I know about breeding is that the hatched pokemon will be the same as the mother. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 00:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Nidoqueen (Pokémon)

2009-08-17T00:44:18Z

Darkcloud1111: Created page with 'Breeding Issue: if Nidoqueen is unable to breed, why is there a section under the attacks saying all the moves Nidoqueen can learn from breeding? ~~~~'

Talk:Fuego Ironworks

2009-08-13T02:16:38Z

Darkcloud1111: /* pokémon */

==pokémon==
isn't {{P|magmar}} supposed to be found here? [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 17:26, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Magmar can be found in the grass at level 28 in Platinum, but there isn't a listing of wild pokemon in this location[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 02:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-06-01T03:19:57Z

Darkcloud1111:

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|- align="center"
| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto? ==

Will the Kanto region be accesable? It was in the original Gold and Silver. Will the Kanto region be updated in the same way, such as the volcano erupting on Cinnabar Island and Blaine moving his gym to the Seafoam Islands?
Will HeartGold and SoulSilver be to FireRed and LeafGreen what Gold and Silver was to Red and Blue?
I wonder if there's enough data space on the DS card for two regions. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:We don't know that now, but probably. Remember the thread on the Forums for this kind of talk. --'''[[User:Cat2killer|Catu]] [[User talk:Cat2killer|the Cat]]''' 03:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::I hope that they will make it the way it is in gold and silver (shorter route etc) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Smething about Kanto should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:But we don't know anything about Kanto. We can't add information that doesn't exist. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

True. I meant ad something about speculation over whether KAnto will be included. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Console ==

So, will these be on the DS or exclusively on the DSi?? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:The DSi is just a smaller version of the DS, it isn't a different console, except the DSi doesn't have a slot for the GBA games[[User:Darkcloud1111|darkcloud1111]] 03:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Eevee (Pokémon)

2009-04-14T18:00:25Z

Darkcloud1111: /* Catchable, but no attacking moves... */

== [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] status of [[Bite (move)|Bite]] ==

Please note that in RBY, {{M|Bite}} is {{T|Normal}}, so it is marked as a STAB move, while in later games it is {{T|Dark}}, so it's marked as STAB for an evolution (in this case - {{P|Umbreon}}). [[User:User142|User142]] ([[User talk:User142|Talk]]) 16:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, does anyone have XD? There are evolution items for Umbreon and Espeon in that game instead of Happiness evolutions. Does anyone know what they are? They should problably be listed here. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I think they were Sun Shard (Espeon) and Moon Shard (Umbreon) [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]

== [[Generation II]] evolutions ==

Say, in XD, does Eevee need to hold the Sun/Moon shard and level up to evolve? or simply be exposed to them like a stone? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 15:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:Hold and level up. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::Does it also require happiness to be maxed? So many sites have conflicting information regarding them in XD. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 13:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:::No, just stick it on and level up. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 18:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::::All you need is to have the shard with you. Eevee doesn't have to be holding it. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 19:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::Wrong, Eevee does have to be holding the shard to evolve. [[User:Jake30502|Jake30502]] 15:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::Is the items Sun and Moon Shard capable of veing transferred into R/S/FR/LG/E? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 03:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::No. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Have you tried it though? I wonder why not though...do you have to evolve your Eevee when you get the item? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
The shards are Key Items. Eevee can't hold it. About the happiness, yes it needs to be maxed; but it's ''already'' maxed at the beginning of the game.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 00:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== More Evolutions ==

Are they planning to make [[Eeveelution|Eeveelutions]] for every single type? --[[User:Theryguy512]] 3:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:Probally yes. I was thinking about this.'''[[Image:May.png|34px]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka]] [[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|uzumaki]] [[Image:Ani038MS.gif|32px]]''' 17:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:Probably will. In four generations, we've gotten seven, one more and we'll have half of all of the types (not counting Normal, but I doubt we'll get one of those). If they're going to 1000, they'll likely go for 16 Eeveelutions. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
::Well, Eevee is a [[Normal (type)|normal type]], so they probaly won't make a normal type [[Eeveelution|Eeveelution]] --[[User:Theryguy512]] 12:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:::It should be noted that every Eeveelution type has been a special type; the only remaining special type is Dragon, however I don't doubt they'll make more. Eevee's so popular. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 08:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
::::And don't forget, there's no distinction of physical or special by type anymore anyway. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 16:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

it might be possible that if they remake gold/silver, a dragon type eevee may be able to evolve in the dragon den {{unsigned|Darkcloud1111}}
:Go to the forums to discuss stuff like this. It doesn't belong here. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 05:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

== Do The Eeveelutions Still Have A High Stat? ==

Are The Eeveelutions Still Following The Stats Where A Certain Evolution Has The Highest Stat Compared To The Family?
For Example, Vapoureon Has The Highest HP Stat Tha All Of The Rest; Jolteon Has The Highest Speed Stat Than The Others.
- Tesh -
:Look at their base stats. They're the same totals, they're just different as far as focus, so yes, all of them have one stat higher than the rest. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:... except there's six stats and seven Eeveelutions, meaning two had to specialize in the same thing. Apparently, it's the Special Attack ones. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 05:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::Which is what I meant by focus, since although Espeon and Glaceon both have the 130 in Special Attack, 95 in Special Defense, and 65 in HP, Attack, Defense, and Speed does differ. So really, if they do make nine more Eeveelutions, many will share the strongest stats, but there'd still be room for base stat variance. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

==help==
dos anybody know if i beat collaseum and trade umbrion and espieon can i mat one of the with a nother pokemon a couple times and get the othe evvealoution

No, since they're both male. Also, if you want help, try typing like someone over the age of 3.
:{{p|Ditto}}. And I agree, try typing like you know English. Dammit, you people are the reason that the school systems are failing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

::I'm not sure, maybe he's a kid who learnt the internet at age 4...Or he's just plain inattentive, impossibly inaccurate and unintelligent.[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 10:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
:::This is also meant for the forums.... [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 00:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Name origin - Eon ==

:"''Eon also means a very long time, which is how long it takes for Eevee to evolve without the aid of an evolutionary stone''"
but in [[Generation I]] Eevee cannot evolve without stones! can I remove this sentence? --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 21:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:But that's ONLY in GenI. Why remove it? Don't remove it, as it explains why it's called "Eon". >< {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 21:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::Even then, it doesn't take an eon to evolve without a stone. You can have a level 2 Espeon or Umbreon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

:Thinking about it eon could refer to the amount of time it takes a regular species to evolve, and since Eevee is so adaptable it could be that it represents eons of evolution (as it has mastered in some way). If you can make sense of that it may help. --[[Image:Ani002MS.gif|XXpx]]☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆[[Image:Ani001MS.gif|XXpx]] 20:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:Don't forget that Pokemon in the games have a level cap. Theoretically, if there were no level caps Eevee would evolve eventually. [[User: Kyle95]] December 20, 2008 (UTC)

== Palindromes ==

How many palindrome pokémon are there? I only know of two, Eevee and Girafarig. If those are the only two, might their trivia take note of the other?

Also, I joined just to ask the above question. Why doesn't bulbapedia allow anon to edit? [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Also also, can someone post in my user page so my name turns blue? It bothers me. Another question, why doesn't bulbapedia allow User page edits? I get "You do not have permission to edit pages in the User namespace." [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

1. 3 Pokémon names are palindromes (Eevee, Girafarig and Ho-oh)

2. Use Proper GrAmmAr.

3. It's been answer 4,000,000,000,000 time, And I can't be bothered making it the 4,000,000,000,001'th time.

--[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 05:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hm. Good greeting. Please tell me how my grammar is improper. I see I could have put a colon or semicolon on my second sentence instead of a comma, but what else? [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Pokémon. Not pokémon. Capitalize. Bulbapedia. Not bulbapedia.'''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''05:52 4 Jun 2008'''''

::Is that all? Do you get on to everyone who doesn't capitalize pokémon or site names? [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

::: It just makes it proper, Pokémon is a name of a Tv show (Or something), and Bulbapedia is a name of a site, Both being N-O-U-N-S (Nouns). --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 05:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:::: Pokémon is the name of a manga, series of video games, and anime. It's also the type of creatures in those. One doesn't call a scarab a type of Beetle, but a beetle, so I thought pokémon would sound proper enough. You don't capitalize nouns. You capitalize PROPER nouns. [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 06:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't really get it, either... but it's official policy that Pokémon is capitalized. It doesn't matter as much on talk pages as in the main namespace, but like with other sorts of proper grammar, it makes it look more like you know what you're doing. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 06:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's Pokémon because it IS a proper noun. Why? It's a species of imaginary creatures. Imaginary. Name. Name. Proper Noun. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:05 4 Jun 2008'''''

:::::::Why is everyone talking about grammar? I thought this was about palindromes! [[User:Thermorules123]] 02:57, 26 Dec 2008

:::::::: I see, I now have the power to make people go of-topic..... And by the way, Nouns do need to be capital too, A noun is A place (London), a name (Andrew) and A thing (Ball, Not really {{tt|necessary|Correct Spelling?}} to capitilize though) --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 15:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::You only need to capitalize names. [[User:Thermorules123]] 03:35, 26 Dec 2008

== Super Smash Bros. Brawl ==

I removed the bit about Eevee appearing in ''Brawl'' and evolving into one of its seven evolutions. Simply put, Eevee does not appear out of a Poké Ball in that game. Nor do its evolutions. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Interesting Fact ==

Should it be noted somewhere that eevee's original evolutions (vaporeon, jolteon, flareon) are immune from damage by their own type because of their special abilities. Vaporeon=water absorb, jolteon=volt absorb, flareon=flash fire[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:No. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 13:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

== Evolving into Leafeon and Glaceon ==

I thought when an you want to evolve Eevee into Leafeon or Glaceon, you had to be in the same patch of grass as the Mossy Rock or Frosty Rock. The information on doing so, at least in Eevee's article, says you just have to be in Eterna Forest or Route 217 to do it. So, which one is true? [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] [[User talk:Superbreeder|What's up?]] 00:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:You just need to be on the route. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Level Up Evolutions ==

Does anyone know what happens if you level up a [[happiness|happy]] Eevee in (say) [[Eterna Forest]] during the [[time|day]]? Does the location or happiness evolution take precidence? In this example, would you get a {{p|Leafeon}} or an {{p|Espeon}}? I don't have the games so I can't test it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 02:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

:That is a pickle. I guess it would make sense to say the evolutionary path would be chosen at random with a 50/50 chance of getting Leafeon or Espeon.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Bttsstewart

::Hey, that sounds like a fun theory to test. I'll get back to you. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Location takes precedence. I tested it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Aw man! TTE spoiled my fun. Maybe I'll just do it anyway{{tt|.|wouldn't want your game to be a fluke now, would we? :D}} — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::However, what if you evolved two happy Eevee right on the border between day and night, at the same time through the same battle. One initiates evolution sequence before the time period switches, the other initiates after (DS closing may be involved). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>rushes to daycare* — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Before 4 AM? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Er, not likely mate. If you can do it faster feel free. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: Eterna Forest has a sign inside it claiming that it is "The place where time stands still". I think this is trying to hint that Umbreon/Espeon aren't possible to obtain inside it. Not sure about the conditions for Glaceon though, just thought it was interesting to note =) [[User:Improv|--[[User:Improv|Improv.]] ''([[User talk:Improv|talk/font>]])'']] 22:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:Where is siad sign?[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 22:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
::As soon as you step inside, you can see the sign. Sorry about my signiature =/ [[User:Improv|--[[User:Improv|Improv.]] ''([[User talk:Improv|talk/font>]])'']] 01:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I'd always taken this to mean that it referred to it being an '''eterna'''l forest, but this is also promising... As much as I hate trivia, this is kind of ok! I'll add it to the Eterna Forest article if it isn't already there. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:So does this mean that the same rule applies to [[Route 217]], where {{p|Glaceon}} evolves? [[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|--Charmander]] ''[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|-(talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|stalk!)]]'' 03:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because if it is, that information should be added to [[Route 217|the page]]. [[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|--Charmander]] ''[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|-(talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|stalk!)]]'' 03:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, if you evolve your Eevee OUTSIDE on Route 217, it will become a Glaceon. Indoors (Rare Candy inside a house when happiness is max'd) it takes the Espeon/Umbreon route. Same with Eterna Forest (the forest area where Moss Rock is) vs the exterior area accessed via Cut. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

== Catchable, but no attacking moves... ==

Is Eevee the only one that does this? When you catch it in DP from the Trophy Garden, all four moves it has are status moves. Does anything but the four cocoons and Abra have this... hindrance? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:Ralts in DP only has Growl when chained. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
::That is, if you get a chain of level 4 or level 5 Ralts. Level 6 would know Confusion. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:::...{{p|Ditto}}... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Not so sure how much Ditto would count, as Transform could potentially gain it attacking moves. Eevee and Ralts, though, sure. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. Come see my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|tell me what you think!]] 03:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Good point...that means {{p|Smeargle}} could be scratched out as well... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Oh, yeah, forgot about Smeargle! Yeah, Smeargle's out. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. Come see my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|tell me what you think!]] 03:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::There's also {{p|Magikarp}}, which you can find knowing only {{m|Splash}} if you use an Old Rod near just about any body of water. That one could be questionable though. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 17:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::eevee may be the only one with a full attack set with no offensive moves. abra, ditto, and smeargle only learn one move, but thats only because ditto and smeagle and designed that way and abra doesnt learn any attacks until after it evolves[[User:Darkcloud1111|darkcloud1111]] 18:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Yellow ==

Is there a condition(s) which determine which of the three possible evolutions that Blue's Eevee has? If so, what are they, and should they be added into the article?--[[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 21:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:They're listed on {{ga|Blue}}'s article, and no, it should not be added to this article. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 21:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Information that I'm sure if it is true or not, need confirmation ==

I think that it may be possible to breed one with one of the moves that has the same move type as one of it's evolutions by raising two Flareon's with Flamethrower, or something. Two Jolteon's with Thunderbolt, etc.--[[User:Tmwps|Tmwps]] 11:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
:Only if the Eevee can learn those attacks too. And we don't list moves that can be indirectly passed down by TM unless they are in the internal coding of the game. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Steps listed incorrect? ==

I've been breeding Eevee in Platinum, and my eggs have been taking 10,200 steps to hatch, where the article lists 9180. Can anyone else test this? [[User:Seraph|Seraph]]

Talk:Misty's Psyduck

2009-02-19T22:14:50Z

Darkcloud1111: /* psychic attack */ new section

You know, in episode 32 of the first season, Misty DOES try to trade her Psyduck for Brock's Vulpix.

== Gender ==

Where is it confirmed? It doesn't read in the article. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 01:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Nowhere, I changed it. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::You missed the "him"s and "his"s.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[User:Kkllnn|K]] [[user talk:Kkllnn|l]]lnn 01:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I think I got all the remaining ones now. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 01:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== psychic attack ==

Should it be noted in the trivia section that it is odd that psyduck knows psychic considering it cant learn by leveling up or by TM's (until generation IV). the only way it can learn psychic is by breeding, something not introduced during the first generation. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 22:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)Darkcloud1111

Darkrai (M10)

2008-09-16T03:29:41Z

Darkcloud1111:

{{AnimePokémonInfobox|
nickname=Darkrai|
jnickname=ダークライ|
tmnickname=Darkrai|
pokemonname=Darkrai|
image=[[Image:Darkrai movie2.png|250px]]|
caption=Darkrai|
location=Not caught |
epnum=The Rise of Darkrai|
epname=The Rise of Darkrai|
prevonum=491|
current=[[Alamos Town]]|
gender=Male (confirmed in dub only)||
enva1=[[Scott Williams]]|
java1=Kōji Ishizaka|
}}

'''Darkrai''' (Japanese: '''ダークライ''' ''Darkrai'') is the featured [[Pokémon]] in ''[[The Rise of Darkrai]]''. Its Japanese voice actor is 石坂浩二 ''Kōji Ishizaka'' and its English voice actor is [[Scott Williams]].

It was mistook as an evil Pokémon since the beginning of the movie. Soon it was discovered to be good, and took the task upon itself to stop the fighting between {{an|Dialga}} and {{an|Palkia}}.

Darkrai is very protective of [[Alice]] because it believed that she was her grandmother [[Alicia]], who helped Darkrai when it was injured. Once, when Alice was a child, Darkrai saved Alice after she fell off a crumbling cliff. However there are [[AegisShipping|other beliefs]] regarding the reason for protection as well.

Darkrai ended up sacrificing itself to protect everyone from Dialga and Palkia's powers. After {{Ash}} and {{an|Dawn}} asked Palkia to turn everything back to the way it was, Darkrai was revived.

==Moves used==
[[Image:DarkraiMovie DarkVoid.JPG‎|left|thumb|230px|Darkai using {{m|Dark Void}}.]]
* {{m|Dark Void}}
* {{m|Double Team}}
* {{m|Dark Pulse}}
* {{m|Thunder Wave}}
* {{m|Shadow Sneak}} (Possibly, may be another move)
* {{m|Sand Tomb}} (Possibly, may be another move. Used on Ash in his Nightmare)
[[Image:Darkrai shadow.jpg|right|thumb|100px| Darkrai using what appears to be {{m|Shadow Sneak}}]]
 

==Trivia==
*Kōji Ishizaka is actually the curator for a museum where Pokémon dolls were displayed as a ''The Rise of Darkrai'' promotion.
*Despite the fact that {{p|Darkrai}} cannot learn {{m|Shadow Sneak}}, he appears to be using it several times in the movie. This is probably simply an extra, non-game related ability.

==Related articles==
{{animespecies|Darkrai}}
{{left clear}}
{{Moviecharacters}}
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon (anime)]]
[[Category:Movie characters]]

Talk:Darkrai (M10)

2008-09-11T08:34:20Z

Darkcloud1111: /* thunder wave */

== Picture in Infobox ==
[[Image:Darkrai Movie10.JPG|thumb|230px|??????]]
The picture in the info box is kinda bad since it has all the shadows. Would this pic or the other pic on the page be better for the Infobox? (PLEASE DON'T YELL!) --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 23:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:No. The other one isn't as blurry. Plus it looks so much cooler. :p
:Besides, Darkrai's chest from that angle looks really... 'dude wtf' from that shot. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Okay then. I get what you're saying. P.S. You woulda thought that Darkrai had legs? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 23:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::I prefer the new because Darkrai's eye doesn't appear. Because the new shows more of Darkrai. It's good the way it is. Those aren't really Darkrai's legs. Those are its "expandible legs" [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 23:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::Plus the lighting on the other picture looks really awesome and stuff. ;O; *stares at picture for a bit* So...pretty... [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== "Asked"? ==

In the article it says they asked Palkia to fix everything. They didn't really ask they told it to fix it. Thoughts?{{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 13:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I have the movie on DVD and watched it. I remember Ash (or was it Dawn?) saying "Please turn everything back to the way it was." It sounds more along the lines of a demand than a question. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Reserved? ==
Is it just me or does it seem like Darkrai doesn't talk very much in the movie? [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 20:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Gender? ==

Why does Darkrai (anime) have a when Darkrai (species) is genderless --lord mada 14:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

It was probably an accident in the dub.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 14:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:should it be changed for this article --lord mada 14:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::if so can i have the honor--lord mada 14:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The Japanese version did not mention Darkrai being male, but the dub does.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 14:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's rediculous that the genders for legendary Pokemon are all listed as "none" when it'd not 100% confirmed that anime pokemon are genderless, when we can't say whether normal pokemon are male or female unless it's 100% confirmed. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 11:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC))

their species are genderless and because they are in their species they are genderless --lord mada 18:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lugia's species was also supposed genderless, and LOOK what it got, a [[Silver (Whirl Islands)|kid]]. Heck, even the games hint that they aren't Truly genderless (well, technically, they weren't even genderless to begin with since they belonged to the "No Eggs" group, and not the "genderless" group that consists of the Magnemite family, the Staryu family, the Voltorb family.), considering their multiple appearances (Ho-Oh was captured in the Sevii Islands, Orre, AND Johto, which would have been impossible if there was only one. Lugia was caught in the Sevii Islands, Orre, AND Johto as well, which, like Ho-Oh before it, would have been impossible should it have been only one of a kind. the elemental bird trio was also hinted that there was more than one since they made an appearance in Kanto/Sevii Islands, Hoenn (they were owned by BRANDON, for goodness sakes), and Orre, plus the fact that Pokémon Snap had them hatching from eggs. the legendary beasts appeared in Johto, Kanto, Orre, and Fiore (even IF they could travel the world at the speed of sound, they wouldn't be appearing in any of those places should they have been captured by Wes, Male Ranger, and Gold. Besides, they also appeared in Kanto, despite the fact that the beasts should have been asleep in the Tin tower for 3 more years.), plus the fact that a new entei is born when a Volcano is created. the Lati@s were hinted to their being more than one in the Pokédex (though, I'll admit it isn't the BEST Source.), There are now 4 Pairs of Regis (the ones you needed to awake in RSE, the ones that Brandon that owns, the ones in Almia, and the ones unlocked in an event in DPP), the superanicent pokémon were hinted to having more than one of their species exist (The mere fact that they all appeared in Hoenn, Orre (under a master trainer's possession), and Fiore hints at that), Dialga and Palkia were seen in Sinnoh AND Almia (which, even with their ability to manipulate time and space, they wouldn't have appeared at all if they were captured by Lucas/Dawn), I'm pretty sure the 3 pixies made an appearance in Almia as well as Sinnoh, there were at least two cresselia in Sinnoh (one wild, one owned by Palmer), as well as one Cresselia in Almia, two Regigigas (again, one wild, one owned by Palmer [well, technically three, since there's the one handed out in theaters]) and one in Almia, and two heatrans (one wild, one owned by Palmer) in sinnoh and one in Almia, and for event Legends, Mew appeared in Kanto, Hoenn, Fiore, Pokemon Island, and technically Sinnoh (My Pokemon Ranch). Celebi appears in Johto, Orre, Fiore, and Almia, Deoxys appears in the Sevii Islands/Kanto, Hoenn, and Fiore (It's also hinted that Deoxys might also be native to Sinnoh as well, due to the Meteorites that change Deoxy's form.), Manaphy, well due to the fact that you first get it as an egg, it's somewhat obvious that there is more than one (It also appears in Fiore and Almia, and also is hinted at being native to Sinnoh), Phione, well, it's really no brainer. Darkrai appears in both Almia AND Sinnoh. lastly, Shaymin appears in Sinnoh, Almia, and Kanto (well, it's implied that it is native in Kanto, due to the mention of a white rock being there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
::I think you are taking this way to srsly there is no confirmation other than Darkrai cannot have a gender in the games thats how it stays hints aren't going to change that. --lord mada 16:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:::No, the only confirmation in terms of Breeding for Darkrai is that it's in the No-Eggs group (Otherwise, it would have been listed among the likes of the Magnemite Family, the Voltorb family, the Staryu Family, etc, etc.), and even THAT is an fishy placement since, if they were incapable of reproducing, none of the above pokemon would even Have members of the same species in the other regions, main games or side-games/spinoffs alike. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Not all Pokémon are born by breading as Gastly was born from poisonous gasses and Grimer was born from waste, although i agree that baby Lugia was born through breading but the one in the power of one was created from that current. In other words Pokémon don't have to be born through sex. --lord mada 22:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::according to the Pokédex entries, maybe, but if you plop a Grimer and/or a Gastly in a breeding center, and if they fall in love with each other, or if they fall in love with some other pokemon in the center, and Gastly/Grimer produces an egg, which evolves into either a Gastly or a Grimer (depending on which one is the female), I think it would be pretty obvious as to how they were procreated (If they were truly created by Poisonous gases/Toxic waste, why would they need to produce eggs, much less do it to create them?) Also, I don't recall the movie mentioning that it was actually CREATED by the current. I mean, sure, it might have been born in the current, but that doesn't mean that it was created by it. All it means is that it's mom was pregnant and gave birth to Lugia while in the current. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:50, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

== VA: Williams or Rogers? ==

Someone's not letting me credit Scott Williams, voice of Baxter on TMNT and credited in the movie, for voicing Darkrai. It sounds nothing like Bill Rogers! It sounds everything like Williams! Where was it confirmed that Rogers voiced Darkrai? First Dai, and now Darkrai. He didn't voice everybody, you know! [[User:Shift|Shift]] 21:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:imdb says otherwise --lord mada 22:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:If you could screen shot that bit of the credits as proof please --lord mada 22:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::IMDb's fan-updated too, you know... Here's your proof, dude: "http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/Pitch/credits_darkrai.jpg"
Bottom of the list: proves he was in it, didn't specify what role. Darkrai sounds the most like him from his roles as Baxter, so I logically concluded it was him. Now that I see it, Sean Rey probably voiced Dai and not Rogers or Williams. You accidently helped me out, man! Thanks! [[User:Shift|Shift]] 22:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:You probably just have a better ear for voices oh well I give in. --lord mada 23:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== Something Wrong in the Trivia ==

''Darkrai, along with Entei, Manaphy, and Meowth, is a non-Psychic-type with the ability to talk without telepathy.''

So Darkrai wasn't using telepathy? How do you know? I didn't see any lip movements. The same goes for Entei. If it wasn't using telepathy than what was it using? As far as I know Meowth, Manaphy, and if you wanna count Chatot, are the only Pokémon that spoke without telepathy. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:I vote on removing that piece of trivia. Manaphy and Meowth are the only non-Psychic-type to talk non-telepathically. Entei's lips never move, and as for Darkrai... he doesn't even have any lips! - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 03:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:I'd be best to remove it, in my opinion.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 03:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it should stay and we should add Chatot --lord mada 08:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:But it uses telepathy to talk. I don't even think it has a mouth. If you want to mention it, it would be better suited for Meowth and Manaphy's pages, not here.
::its head kind of looks like it is sunk in to its body it could be hiding a mouth there --lord mada 08:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== thunder wave ==

should thunder wave be added to the list of moves darkrai can use? The attack looks like blue lighting bolts, and whenever thunder wave is used in the show, it appears as a blue bolt. also, after it hit Lickilicky, the pokemon seemed to be a little stiff before unleashing its hyper beam.[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 01:18, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Someone said darkrai could of used sand tomb in ash's dream, but it was a nightmare so it most likely wasnt an attack, just an effect of the nightmare so can it be considered as an attack?[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 08:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Arbok (Pokémon)

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== Arbok in Dragon egg group ==

Why is Arbok in the Dragon egg group? I can't think of any reason why it would be in there, but it is. Can anyone please explain? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Nidolord500|Nidolord500]] ([[User talk:Nidolord500|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nidolord500|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Most Pokémon in the same egg group have a similar appearance, or at least traits. Looking at most dragons, there is a similarity. [[User:Gywall|Gywall]] 14:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::But Arbok looks nothing like Salamence, Dragonite, Garchomp, or Kingdra. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Nidolord500|Nidolord500]] ([[User talk:Nidolord500|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nidolord500|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::Compare say, Ekans to Dratini, and Arbok to Dragonair. There's a mild resemblance. Don't just assume it's only last forms. Even Feebas and Milotic are in the group. Another point is Arbok's Intimidate, which is shared by a few of the other [[Dragon (egg group)|dragon egg group]]. [[User:Gywall|Gywall]] 09:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Game Location ==

Arbok is listed as being in Cerulean Cave in firered However on that page, it isn't listed as one of the pokemon in that area.[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 08:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Eevee (Pokémon)

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Talk:Darkrai (M10)

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== Picture in Infobox ==
[[Image:Darkrai Movie10.JPG|thumb|230px|??????]]
The picture in the info box is kinda bad since it has all the shadows. Would this pic or the other pic on the page be better for the Infobox? (PLEASE DON'T YELL!) --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 23:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:No. The other one isn't as blurry. Plus it looks so much cooler. :p
:Besides, Darkrai's chest from that angle looks really... 'dude wtf' from that shot. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Okay then. I get what you're saying. P.S. You woulda thought that Darkrai had legs? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 23:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::I prefer the new because Darkrai's eye doesn't appear. Because the new shows more of Darkrai. It's good the way it is. Those aren't really Darkrai's legs. Those are its "expandible legs" [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 23:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::Plus the lighting on the other picture looks really awesome and stuff. ;O; *stares at picture for a bit* So...pretty... [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== "Asked"? ==

In the article it says they asked Palkia to fix everything. They didn't really ask they told it to fix it. Thoughts?{{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 13:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I have the movie on DVD and watched it. I remember Ash (or was it Dawn?) saying "Please turn everything back to the way it was." It sounds more along the lines of a demand than a question. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Reserved? ==
Is it just me or does it seem like Darkrai doesn't talk very much in the movie? [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 20:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Gender? ==

Why does Darkrai (anime) have a when Darkrai (species) is genderless --lord mada 14:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

It was probably an accident in the dub.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 14:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:should it be changed for this article --lord mada 14:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::if so can i have the honor--lord mada 14:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The Japanese version did not mention Darkrai being male, but the dub does.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 14:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's rediculous that the genders for legendary Pokemon are all listed as "none" when it'd not 100% confirmed that anime pokemon are genderless, when we can't say whether normal pokemon are male or female unless it's 100% confirmed. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 11:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC))

their species are genderless and because they are in their species they are genderless --lord mada 18:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lugia's species was also supposed genderless, and LOOK what it got, a [[Silver (Whirl Islands)|kid]]. Heck, even the games hint that they aren't Truly genderless (well, technically, they weren't even genderless to begin with since they belonged to the "No Eggs" group, and not the "genderless" group that consists of the Magnemite family, the Staryu family, the Voltorb family.), considering their multiple appearances (Ho-Oh was captured in the Sevii Islands, Orre, AND Johto, which would have been impossible if there was only one. Lugia was caught in the Sevii Islands, Orre, AND Johto as well, which, like Ho-Oh before it, would have been impossible should it have been only one of a kind. the elemental bird trio was also hinted that there was more than one since they made an appearance in Kanto/Sevii Islands, Hoenn (they were owned by BRANDON, for goodness sakes), and Orre, plus the fact that Pokémon Snap had them hatching from eggs. the legendary beasts appeared in Johto, Kanto, Orre, and Fiore (even IF they could travel the world at the speed of sound, they wouldn't be appearing in any of those places should they have been captured by Wes, Male Ranger, and Gold. Besides, they also appeared in Kanto, despite the fact that the beasts should have been asleep in the Tin tower for 3 more years.), plus the fact that a new entei is born when a Volcano is created. the Lati@s were hinted to their being more than one in the Pokédex (though, I'll admit it isn't the BEST Source.), There are now 4 Pairs of Regis (the ones you needed to awake in RSE, the ones that Brandon that owns, the ones in Almia, and the ones unlocked in an event in DPP), the superanicent pokémon were hinted to having more than one of their species exist (The mere fact that they all appeared in Hoenn, Orre (under a master trainer's possession), and Fiore hints at that), Dialga and Palkia were seen in Sinnoh AND Almia (which, even with their ability to manipulate time and space, they wouldn't have appeared at all if they were captured by Lucas/Dawn), I'm pretty sure the 3 pixies made an appearance in Almia as well as Sinnoh, there were at least two cresselia in Sinnoh (one wild, one owned by Palmer), as well as one Cresselia in Almia, two Regigigas (again, one wild, one owned by Palmer [well, technically three, since there's the one handed out in theaters]) and one in Almia, and two heatrans (one wild, one owned by Palmer) in sinnoh and one in Almia, and for event Legends, Mew appeared in Kanto, Hoenn, Fiore, Pokemon Island, and technically Sinnoh (My Pokemon Ranch). Celebi appears in Johto, Orre, Fiore, and Almia, Deoxys appears in the Sevii Islands/Kanto, Hoenn, and Fiore (It's also hinted that Deoxys might also be native to Sinnoh as well, due to the Meteorites that change Deoxy's form.), Manaphy, well due to the fact that you first get it as an egg, it's somewhat obvious that there is more than one (It also appears in Fiore and Almia, and also is hinted at being native to Sinnoh), Phione, well, it's really no brainer. Darkrai appears in both Almia AND Sinnoh. lastly, Shaymin appears in Sinnoh, Almia, and Kanto (well, it's implied that it is native in Kanto, due to the mention of a white rock being there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
::I think you are taking this way to srsly there is no confirmation other than Darkrai cannot have a gender in the games thats how it stays hints aren't going to change that. --lord mada 16:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:::No, the only confirmation in terms of Breeding for Darkrai is that it's in the No-Eggs group (Otherwise, it would have been listed among the likes of the Magnemite Family, the Voltorb family, the Staryu Family, etc, etc.), and even THAT is an fishy placement since, if they were incapable of reproducing, none of the above pokemon would even Have members of the same species in the other regions, main games or side-games/spinoffs alike. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Not all Pokémon are born by breading as Gastly was born from poisonous gasses and Grimer was born from waste, although i agree that baby Lugia was born through breading but the one in the power of one was created from that current. In other words Pokémon don't have to be born through sex. --lord mada 22:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::according to the Pokédex entries, maybe, but if you plop a Grimer and/or a Gastly in a breeding center, and if they fall in love with each other, or if they fall in love with some other pokemon in the center, and Gastly/Grimer produces an egg, which evolves into either a Gastly or a Grimer (depending on which one is the female), I think it would be pretty obvious as to how they were procreated (If they were truly created by Poisonous gases/Toxic waste, why would they need to produce eggs, much less do it to create them?) Also, I don't recall the movie mentioning that it was actually CREATED by the current. I mean, sure, it might have been born in the current, but that doesn't mean that it was created by it. All it means is that it's mom was pregnant and gave birth to Lugia while in the current. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:50, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

== VA: Williams or Rogers? ==

Someone's not letting me credit Scott Williams, voice of Baxter on TMNT and credited in the movie, for voicing Darkrai. It sounds nothing like Bill Rogers! It sounds everything like Williams! Where was it confirmed that Rogers voiced Darkrai? First Dai, and now Darkrai. He didn't voice everybody, you know! [[User:Shift|Shift]] 21:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:imdb says otherwise --lord mada 22:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:If you could screen shot that bit of the credits as proof please --lord mada 22:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::IMDb's fan-updated too, you know... Here's your proof, dude: "http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/Pitch/credits_darkrai.jpg"
Bottom of the list: proves he was in it, didn't specify what role. Darkrai sounds the most like him from his roles as Baxter, so I logically concluded it was him. Now that I see it, Sean Rey probably voiced Dai and not Rogers or Williams. You accidently helped me out, man! Thanks! [[User:Shift|Shift]] 22:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:You probably just have a better ear for voices oh well I give in. --lord mada 23:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== Something Wrong in the Trivia ==

''Darkrai, along with Entei, Manaphy, and Meowth, is a non-Psychic-type with the ability to talk without telepathy.''

So Darkrai wasn't using telepathy? How do you know? I didn't see any lip movements. The same goes for Entei. If it wasn't using telepathy than what was it using? As far as I know Meowth, Manaphy, and if you wanna count Chatot, are the only Pokémon that spoke without telepathy. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:I vote on removing that piece of trivia. Manaphy and Meowth are the only non-Psychic-type to talk non-telepathically. Entei's lips never move, and as for Darkrai... he doesn't even have any lips! - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 03:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:I'd be best to remove it, in my opinion.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 03:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it should stay and we should add Chatot --lord mada 08:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:But it uses telepathy to talk. I don't even think it has a mouth. If you want to mention it, it would be better suited for Meowth and Manaphy's pages, not here.
::its head kind of looks like it is sunk in to its body it could be hiding a mouth there --lord mada 08:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== thunder wave ==

should thunder wave be added to the list of moves darkrai can use? The attack looks like blue lighting bolts, and whenever thunder wave is used in the show, it appears as a blue bolt. also, after it hit Lickilicky, the pokemon seemed to be a little stiff before unleashing its hyper beam.[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 01:18, 2 September 2008 (UTC)darkcloud1111

here is a link to youtube
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV-XXV5H94s&feature=related

at 6:50, it shows darkrai using what i think is thunder wave

Talk:Darkrai (M10)

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Talk:Darkrai (M10)

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== Picture in Infobox ==
[[Image:Darkrai Movie10.JPG|thumb|230px|??????]]
The picture in the info box is kinda bad since it has all the shadows. Would this pic or the other pic on the page be better for the Infobox? (PLEASE DON'T YELL!) --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 23:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:No. The other one isn't as blurry. Plus it looks so much cooler. :p
:Besides, Darkrai's chest from that angle looks really... 'dude wtf' from that shot. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Okay then. I get what you're saying. P.S. You woulda thought that Darkrai had legs? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 23:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
::I prefer the new because Darkrai's eye doesn't appear. Because the new shows more of Darkrai. It's good the way it is. Those aren't really Darkrai's legs. Those are its "expandible legs" [[Image:Ani282MS.gif|32px]]'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]][[Image:Ani445MS.gif|32px]] 23:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

::Plus the lighting on the other picture looks really awesome and stuff. ;O; *stares at picture for a bit* So...pretty... [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== "Asked"? ==

In the article it says they asked Palkia to fix everything. They didn't really ask they told it to fix it. Thoughts?{{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 13:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I have the movie on DVD and watched it. I remember Ash (or was it Dawn?) saying "Please turn everything back to the way it was." It sounds more along the lines of a demand than a question. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Reserved? ==
Is it just me or does it seem like Darkrai doesn't talk very much in the movie? [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 20:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Gender? ==

Why does Darkrai (anime) have a when Darkrai (species) is genderless --lord mada 14:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

It was probably an accident in the dub.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 14:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:should it be changed for this article --lord mada 14:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::if so can i have the honor--lord mada 14:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The Japanese version did not mention Darkrai being male, but the dub does.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 14:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's rediculous that the genders for legendary Pokemon are all listed as "none" when it'd not 100% confirmed that anime pokemon are genderless, when we can't say whether normal pokemon are male or female unless it's 100% confirmed. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 11:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC))

their species are genderless and because they are in their species they are genderless --lord mada 18:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lugia's species was also supposed genderless, and LOOK what it got, a [[Silver (Whirl Islands)|kid]]. Heck, even the games hint that they aren't Truly genderless (well, technically, they weren't even genderless to begin with since they belonged to the "No Eggs" group, and not the "genderless" group that consists of the Magnemite family, the Staryu family, the Voltorb family.), considering their multiple appearances (Ho-Oh was captured in the Sevii Islands, Orre, AND Johto, which would have been impossible if there was only one. Lugia was caught in the Sevii Islands, Orre, AND Johto as well, which, like Ho-Oh before it, would have been impossible should it have been only one of a kind. the elemental bird trio was also hinted that there was more than one since they made an appearance in Kanto/Sevii Islands, Hoenn (they were owned by BRANDON, for goodness sakes), and Orre, plus the fact that Pokémon Snap had them hatching from eggs. the legendary beasts appeared in Johto, Kanto, Orre, and Fiore (even IF they could travel the world at the speed of sound, they wouldn't be appearing in any of those places should they have been captured by Wes, Male Ranger, and Gold. Besides, they also appeared in Kanto, despite the fact that the beasts should have been asleep in the Tin tower for 3 more years.), plus the fact that a new entei is born when a Volcano is created. the Lati@s were hinted to their being more than one in the Pokédex (though, I'll admit it isn't the BEST Source.), There are now 4 Pairs of Regis (the ones you needed to awake in RSE, the ones that Brandon that owns, the ones in Almia, and the ones unlocked in an event in DPP), the superanicent pokémon were hinted to having more than one of their species exist (The mere fact that they all appeared in Hoenn, Orre (under a master trainer's possession), and Fiore hints at that), Dialga and Palkia were seen in Sinnoh AND Almia (which, even with their ability to manipulate time and space, they wouldn't have appeared at all if they were captured by Lucas/Dawn), I'm pretty sure the 3 pixies made an appearance in Almia as well as Sinnoh, there were at least two cresselia in Sinnoh (one wild, one owned by Palmer), as well as one Cresselia in Almia, two Regigigas (again, one wild, one owned by Palmer [well, technically three, since there's the one handed out in theaters]) and one in Almia, and two heatrans (one wild, one owned by Palmer) in sinnoh and one in Almia, and for event Legends, Mew appeared in Kanto, Hoenn, Fiore, Pokemon Island, and technically Sinnoh (My Pokemon Ranch). Celebi appears in Johto, Orre, Fiore, and Almia, Deoxys appears in the Sevii Islands/Kanto, Hoenn, and Fiore (It's also hinted that Deoxys might also be native to Sinnoh as well, due to the Meteorites that change Deoxy's form.), Manaphy, well due to the fact that you first get it as an egg, it's somewhat obvious that there is more than one (It also appears in Fiore and Almia, and also is hinted at being native to Sinnoh), Phione, well, it's really no brainer. Darkrai appears in both Almia AND Sinnoh. lastly, Shaymin appears in Sinnoh, Almia, and Kanto (well, it's implied that it is native in Kanto, due to the mention of a white rock being there.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
::I think you are taking this way to srsly there is no confirmation other than Darkrai cannot have a gender in the games thats how it stays hints aren't going to change that. --lord mada 16:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:::No, the only confirmation in terms of Breeding for Darkrai is that it's in the No-Eggs group (Otherwise, it would have been listed among the likes of the Magnemite Family, the Voltorb family, the Staryu Family, etc, etc.), and even THAT is an fishy placement since, if they were incapable of reproducing, none of the above pokemon would even Have members of the same species in the other regions, main games or side-games/spinoffs alike. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Not all Pokémon are born by breading as Gastly was born from poisonous gasses and Grimer was born from waste, although i agree that baby Lugia was born through breading but the one in the power of one was created from that current. In other words Pokémon don't have to be born through sex. --lord mada 22:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::according to the Pokédex entries, maybe, but if you plop a Grimer and/or a Gastly in a breeding center, and if they fall in love with each other, or if they fall in love with some other pokemon in the center, and Gastly/Grimer produces an egg, which evolves into either a Gastly or a Grimer (depending on which one is the female), I think it would be pretty obvious as to how they were procreated (If they were truly created by Poisonous gases/Toxic waste, why would they need to produce eggs, much less do it to create them?) Also, I don't recall the movie mentioning that it was actually CREATED by the current. I mean, sure, it might have been born in the current, but that doesn't mean that it was created by it. All it means is that it's mom was pregnant and gave birth to Lugia while in the current. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:50, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

== VA: Williams or Rogers? ==

Someone's not letting me credit Scott Williams, voice of Baxter on TMNT and credited in the movie, for voicing Darkrai. It sounds nothing like Bill Rogers! It sounds everything like Williams! Where was it confirmed that Rogers voiced Darkrai? First Dai, and now Darkrai. He didn't voice everybody, you know! [[User:Shift|Shift]] 21:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:imdb says otherwise --lord mada 22:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:If you could screen shot that bit of the credits as proof please --lord mada 22:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::IMDb's fan-updated too, you know... Here's your proof, dude: "http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/Pitch/credits_darkrai.jpg"
Bottom of the list: proves he was in it, didn't specify what role. Darkrai sounds the most like him from his roles as Baxter, so I logically concluded it was him. Now that I see it, Sean Rey probably voiced Dai and not Rogers or Williams. You accidently helped me out, man! Thanks! [[User:Shift|Shift]] 22:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:You probably just have a better ear for voices oh well I give in. --lord mada 23:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== Something Wrong in the Trivia ==

''Darkrai, along with Entei, Manaphy, and Meowth, is a non-Psychic-type with the ability to talk without telepathy.''

So Darkrai wasn't using telepathy? How do you know? I didn't see any lip movements. The same goes for Entei. If it wasn't using telepathy than what was it using? As far as I know Meowth, Manaphy, and if you wanna count Chatot, are the only Pokémon that spoke without telepathy. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:I vote on removing that piece of trivia. Manaphy and Meowth are the only non-Psychic-type to talk non-telepathically. Entei's lips never move, and as for Darkrai... he doesn't even have any lips! - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 03:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:I'd be best to remove it, in my opinion.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 03:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it should stay and we should add Chatot --lord mada 08:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:But it uses telepathy to talk. I don't even think it has a mouth. If you want to mention it, it would be better suited for Meowth and Manaphy's pages, not here.
::its head kind of looks like it is sunk in to its body it could be hiding a mouth there --lord mada 08:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== shadow sneak, or not ==

Is it possible that insted of shadow sneak, it might of been using thunder wave. The attack looks like blue lighting bolts, and whenever thunder wave is used in the show, it appears as a blue bolt. also, after it hit Lickilicky, the pokemon seemed to be a little stiff before unleashing its hyper beam.[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 01:18, 2 September 2008 (UTC)darkcloud1111

Talk:Thief (move)

2008-08-31T08:03:15Z

Darkcloud1111:

What happens if I use Thief on a Wi-Fi battle? Do I keep my opponent's Pokémon Item? And can I use it after the battle? [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 16:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think you can keep it, as I believe items reset state after battle to prevent loss of rare items and such. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

what if you knock out the pokemon with this attack, do you still get the item that the foe was holding?[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 08:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111

Talk:Thief (move)

2008-08-31T08:02:51Z

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2008-08-07T04:57:47Z

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[[Umbreon]]

I don't know why, it's just an overall cool pokemon. It has high defenses and a good amount of health so I can use it as a defensive pokemon and follow up with strong attacks. Also, the rings on its' body give it this spooky look which is perfect for a dark type.

Least Favorite Pokemon [[Gyarados]]

Gyarados is a cool pokemon and all, but I don't agree with it's type. I think it should be a water/dragon type. I just don't see a gyarados flying and it just looks like a dragon, it even learns dragon type moves.

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2008-08-07T04:19:43Z

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Talk:Sinnoh Route 215

2008-08-05T01:17:37Z

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I just ran into a Chansey here. Why is this not listed?
- A.
:You sure it was Route 215 and not north 210? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 10:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

It is listed there. Rate: 10% [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 10:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Strange Pokemon Location ==

Route 215 rains all the time, but you can still find geodude and ponyta in this location. Rock types hate water and fire types are weakened by rain so I can’t understand why they would be placed in this location. Am I the only one that thinks this is strange?

Talk:Gyarados (Pokémon)

2008-08-02T23:23:49Z

Darkcloud1111: /* When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? */

== Why not part Dragon? ==

I think it's best to bring it up here, where the issue would be relevant, than elsewhere. We all know Gyarados is Water/Flying, and that Dragon was a type in Generation I. However, I read somewhere (I forget where exactly) that there were only 13 types in the original Red and Green, and that Ice and Dragon were added in Blue. Of course, I theorize that any Ice Pokémon were Water, since that's what they use in the TCG, and that any Dragon Pokémon were Normal. Since the Base Set came out only ten days after Blue was released in Japan, it would make some sense.

After all, look at how many Pokémon from Gen I are Ice only. None. There are several Water/Ice (which I think was because the type was added as an afterthought), and Articuno's the only one where missing the Ice-type would really matter (since there's NEVER a pure Flying-type). Heck, if Articuno was originally Water/Flying (which I suspect), both the beasts and birds would be the same types. The Dratini family were the only Dragon-types, so they could have used Normal instead.

But I do suppose that they wanted Gyarados to have at least something different from Magikarp in Red/Green (if the "Ice and Dragon came later" story is true), so they gave it the Flying-type as its secondary type, and just never changed it because it would alter a lot (and maybe because Kingdra was already in the works). As for why Magnemite and Magneton got Steel? Eh, they're magnet-based. If they didn't get the Steel-type when it was introduced people would be thinking "wow, that was dumb". And they needed to give Jasmine more than just Steelix. Sure, there'd be Skarmory, Forretress, and Scizor otherwise, but jeez. Two are Bug, and one of those is evolved from something Bugsy has, and Skarmory's known to have been a good choice for a long time; they can't make the Gyms too hard.

...yeah. So if the thing I read was correct, to trivia with that tidbit. If it wasn't, well... I dunno. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:I always just figured it was because a Water/Dragon type would be too hard to beat with the sparse moves in Gen I. {{m|Dragon Rage}} was, like, the only Dragon move, and it only did 40 damage. So there'd be nothing super-effective against it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Calling BS on that Ice/Dragon thing since this is the first I've ever heard of it. Seem like something too significant to just be that unknown. edit: Also it would make link battles between Blue and Red/Green probably incompatible, sooo...--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... yeah, never thought about that, since those types came with their own weaknesses which are different than Water's and Normal's. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::How about Lorelia in Elite Four? If Ice was introduced in blue, what was she then? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Gyarados should evolve from Magikarp when its happiness is low. I know they didn't have Happiness then, but they could change it now...
::I don't really like the idea. Magikarp is nearly impossible to train, due to the fact it sucks. Happiness would make it even harder to evolve. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Nor do I, evolution ''increases'' a Pokémon's happiness. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 21:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think its inaccurate to say they never learn any Flying moves, I'm pretty sure I recall using my Gyarados for Fly in the original Red back in the day. Also, while the entire arguement is stupid because none of us had anything to do with actually making the game or Gyarados, it is my opinion that it is not Dragon type because it would be fairly unbalancing. Gyarados is an incredibly powerful Pokemon and has been in my main line up in every game, it is also very easy to get, get a Magikarp and level it up, on the other hand I recall spending quite alot of time trying to catch a Dratini in the Safari Zone, that was around level 15 as I recall, and then I had to level it up alot to even make it useful to me. Even a Dragonair's stat's are pitiful compared to a Gyarados, training up 40 levels just to make something useful to me when I could be training things already useful is annoying. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 11:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
: Also consider that there were very few Dragons in the original games, 3, all in the same family, Dratini, Dragonair and Dragonite. They obviously wanted to make them very rare and unique. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 12:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

== "Gyarados is one of eight non bug, flying-type pokémon that can't learn Fly." ==

It would be nice if that fact also included the other seven. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:Gyarados, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Gligar, Gliscor, Mantine and Mantyke (counting Shaymin's Sky Forme might add another one if it turns out it can't learn it, though it is likely it will be able to). Don't know if it's worth adding though, would have to be added to all the mentioned Pokémon, and might be unnecessary information.--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? ==

After playing through the sinnoh generation games, I noticed that gyarados started to appear more often as the game went on. In fact, pretty much any trainer with a fishing rod had a gyarados on their team. There are 29 gyarados in the game owned by trainers as far as I counted including the routes, victory road, and gyms. In past games, gyarados was a power house (and still is), but you would only battle one when fighting the elite four or strong trainers on victory road. It just seems strange that one of the strongest Pokémon in the games became so common with trainers. Route 213 has a total of 5 gyarados you have to battle. What happened? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 18:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:I could have sworn I have fought a fisherman or someone swimming in a water route that has a Gyarados in Ruby or Emerald. Yes, Gyarados is indeed strong, but don't forget that Magikarp is a very common Pokémon and will evolve at a low level (20 to be exact) so there is no surprise to be that several trainers have it. Besides, {{m|thunder}} can beat it easily. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
: i mean i know there were other trainers in the game with gyarados, but it just seems that in the diamond and pearl games, a lot more trainers have a gyarados in their party than in previous games[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 23:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111

Talk:Gyarados (Pokémon)

2008-08-02T23:22:57Z

Darkcloud1111: /* When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? */

== Why not part Dragon? ==

I think it's best to bring it up here, where the issue would be relevant, than elsewhere. We all know Gyarados is Water/Flying, and that Dragon was a type in Generation I. However, I read somewhere (I forget where exactly) that there were only 13 types in the original Red and Green, and that Ice and Dragon were added in Blue. Of course, I theorize that any Ice Pokémon were Water, since that's what they use in the TCG, and that any Dragon Pokémon were Normal. Since the Base Set came out only ten days after Blue was released in Japan, it would make some sense.

After all, look at how many Pokémon from Gen I are Ice only. None. There are several Water/Ice (which I think was because the type was added as an afterthought), and Articuno's the only one where missing the Ice-type would really matter (since there's NEVER a pure Flying-type). Heck, if Articuno was originally Water/Flying (which I suspect), both the beasts and birds would be the same types. The Dratini family were the only Dragon-types, so they could have used Normal instead.

But I do suppose that they wanted Gyarados to have at least something different from Magikarp in Red/Green (if the "Ice and Dragon came later" story is true), so they gave it the Flying-type as its secondary type, and just never changed it because it would alter a lot (and maybe because Kingdra was already in the works). As for why Magnemite and Magneton got Steel? Eh, they're magnet-based. If they didn't get the Steel-type when it was introduced people would be thinking "wow, that was dumb". And they needed to give Jasmine more than just Steelix. Sure, there'd be Skarmory, Forretress, and Scizor otherwise, but jeez. Two are Bug, and one of those is evolved from something Bugsy has, and Skarmory's known to have been a good choice for a long time; they can't make the Gyms too hard.

...yeah. So if the thing I read was correct, to trivia with that tidbit. If it wasn't, well... I dunno. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:I always just figured it was because a Water/Dragon type would be too hard to beat with the sparse moves in Gen I. {{m|Dragon Rage}} was, like, the only Dragon move, and it only did 40 damage. So there'd be nothing super-effective against it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Calling BS on that Ice/Dragon thing since this is the first I've ever heard of it. Seem like something too significant to just be that unknown. edit: Also it would make link battles between Blue and Red/Green probably incompatible, sooo...--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... yeah, never thought about that, since those types came with their own weaknesses which are different than Water's and Normal's. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::How about Lorelia in Elite Four? If Ice was introduced in blue, what was she then? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Gyarados should evolve from Magikarp when its happiness is low. I know they didn't have Happiness then, but they could change it now...
::I don't really like the idea. Magikarp is nearly impossible to train, due to the fact it sucks. Happiness would make it even harder to evolve. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Nor do I, evolution ''increases'' a Pokémon's happiness. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 21:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think its inaccurate to say they never learn any Flying moves, I'm pretty sure I recall using my Gyarados for Fly in the original Red back in the day. Also, while the entire arguement is stupid because none of us had anything to do with actually making the game or Gyarados, it is my opinion that it is not Dragon type because it would be fairly unbalancing. Gyarados is an incredibly powerful Pokemon and has been in my main line up in every game, it is also very easy to get, get a Magikarp and level it up, on the other hand I recall spending quite alot of time trying to catch a Dratini in the Safari Zone, that was around level 15 as I recall, and then I had to level it up alot to even make it useful to me. Even a Dragonair's stat's are pitiful compared to a Gyarados, training up 40 levels just to make something useful to me when I could be training things already useful is annoying. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 11:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
: Also consider that there were very few Dragons in the original games, 3, all in the same family, Dratini, Dragonair and Dragonite. They obviously wanted to make them very rare and unique. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 12:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

== "Gyarados is one of eight non bug, flying-type pokémon that can't learn Fly." ==

It would be nice if that fact also included the other seven. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:Gyarados, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Gligar, Gliscor, Mantine and Mantyke (counting Shaymin's Sky Forme might add another one if it turns out it can't learn it, though it is likely it will be able to). Don't know if it's worth adding though, would have to be added to all the mentioned Pokémon, and might be unnecessary information.--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? ==

After playing through the sinnoh generation games, I noticed that gyarados started to appear more often as the game went on. In fact, pretty much any trainer with a fishing rod had a gyarados on their team. There are 29 gyarados in the game owned by trainers as far as I counted including the routes, victory road, and gyms. In past games, gyarados was a power house (and still is), but you would only battle one when fighting the elite four or strong trainers on victory road. It just seems strange that one of the strongest Pokémon in the games became so common with trainers. Route 213 has a total of 5 gyarados you have to battle. What happened? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 18:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:I could have sworn I have fought a fisherman or someone swimming in a water route that has a Gyarados in Ruby or Emerald. Yes, Gyarados is indeed strong, but don't forget that Magikarp is a very common Pokémon and will evolve at a low level (20 to be exact) so there is no surprise to be that several trainers have it. Besides, {{m|thunder}} can beat it easily. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
: i mean i know there were other trainers in the game with gyarados, but it just seems that in the diamond and pearl games, a lot more trainers seem to have a gyarados than in previous games[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 23:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111

Talk:Gyarados (Pokémon)

2008-08-02T23:21:52Z

Darkcloud1111: /* When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? */

== Why not part Dragon? ==

I think it's best to bring it up here, where the issue would be relevant, than elsewhere. We all know Gyarados is Water/Flying, and that Dragon was a type in Generation I. However, I read somewhere (I forget where exactly) that there were only 13 types in the original Red and Green, and that Ice and Dragon were added in Blue. Of course, I theorize that any Ice Pokémon were Water, since that's what they use in the TCG, and that any Dragon Pokémon were Normal. Since the Base Set came out only ten days after Blue was released in Japan, it would make some sense.

After all, look at how many Pokémon from Gen I are Ice only. None. There are several Water/Ice (which I think was because the type was added as an afterthought), and Articuno's the only one where missing the Ice-type would really matter (since there's NEVER a pure Flying-type). Heck, if Articuno was originally Water/Flying (which I suspect), both the beasts and birds would be the same types. The Dratini family were the only Dragon-types, so they could have used Normal instead.

But I do suppose that they wanted Gyarados to have at least something different from Magikarp in Red/Green (if the "Ice and Dragon came later" story is true), so they gave it the Flying-type as its secondary type, and just never changed it because it would alter a lot (and maybe because Kingdra was already in the works). As for why Magnemite and Magneton got Steel? Eh, they're magnet-based. If they didn't get the Steel-type when it was introduced people would be thinking "wow, that was dumb". And they needed to give Jasmine more than just Steelix. Sure, there'd be Skarmory, Forretress, and Scizor otherwise, but jeez. Two are Bug, and one of those is evolved from something Bugsy has, and Skarmory's known to have been a good choice for a long time; they can't make the Gyms too hard.

...yeah. So if the thing I read was correct, to trivia with that tidbit. If it wasn't, well... I dunno. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:I always just figured it was because a Water/Dragon type would be too hard to beat with the sparse moves in Gen I. {{m|Dragon Rage}} was, like, the only Dragon move, and it only did 40 damage. So there'd be nothing super-effective against it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Calling BS on that Ice/Dragon thing since this is the first I've ever heard of it. Seem like something too significant to just be that unknown. edit: Also it would make link battles between Blue and Red/Green probably incompatible, sooo...--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 08:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... yeah, never thought about that, since those types came with their own weaknesses which are different than Water's and Normal's. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::How about Lorelia in Elite Four? If Ice was introduced in blue, what was she then? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Gyarados should evolve from Magikarp when its happiness is low. I know they didn't have Happiness then, but they could change it now...
::I don't really like the idea. Magikarp is nearly impossible to train, due to the fact it sucks. Happiness would make it even harder to evolve. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Nor do I, evolution ''increases'' a Pokémon's happiness. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 21:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think its inaccurate to say they never learn any Flying moves, I'm pretty sure I recall using my Gyarados for Fly in the original Red back in the day. Also, while the entire arguement is stupid because none of us had anything to do with actually making the game or Gyarados, it is my opinion that it is not Dragon type because it would be fairly unbalancing. Gyarados is an incredibly powerful Pokemon and has been in my main line up in every game, it is also very easy to get, get a Magikarp and level it up, on the other hand I recall spending quite alot of time trying to catch a Dratini in the Safari Zone, that was around level 15 as I recall, and then I had to level it up alot to even make it useful to me. Even a Dragonair's stat's are pitiful compared to a Gyarados, training up 40 levels just to make something useful to me when I could be training things already useful is annoying. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 11:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
: Also consider that there were very few Dragons in the original games, 3, all in the same family, Dratini, Dragonair and Dragonite. They obviously wanted to make them very rare and unique. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 12:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

== "Gyarados is one of eight non bug, flying-type pokémon that can't learn Fly." ==

It would be nice if that fact also included the other seven. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:Gyarados, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Gligar, Gliscor, Mantine and Mantyke (counting Shaymin's Sky Forme might add another one if it turns out it can't learn it, though it is likely it will be able to). Don't know if it's worth adding though, would have to be added to all the mentioned Pokémon, and might be unnecessary information.--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 12:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? ==

After playing through the sinnoh generation games, I noticed that gyarados started to appear more often as the game went on. In fact, pretty much any trainer with a fishing rod had a gyarados on their team. There are 29 gyarados in the game owned by trainers as far as I counted including the routes, victory road, and gyms. In past games, gyarados was a power house (and still is), but you would only battle one when fighting the elite four or strong trainers on victory road. It just seems strange that one of the strongest Pokémon in the games became so common with trainers. Route 213 has a total of 5 gyarados you have to battle. What happened? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 18:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:I could have sworn I have fought a fisherman or someone swimming in a water route that has a Gyarados in Ruby or Emerald. Yes, Gyarados is indeed strong, but don't forget that Magikarp is a very common Pokémon and will evolve at a low level (20 to be exact) so there is no surprise to be that several trainers have it. Besides, {{m|thunder}} can beat it easily. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC) : i mean i know there were other trainers in the game with gyarados, but it just seems that in the diamond and pearl games, a lot more trainers seem to have a gyarados than in previous games[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 23:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111

Talk:Gyarados (Pokémon)

2008-08-02T18:52:20Z

Darkcloud1111: /* When did Gyarados become a common pokemon? */ new section

Talk:Fire Spin (move)

2008-07-30T07:14:20Z

Darkcloud1111:

Little damage? In the anime it was said to be Ninetail's most powerful attack I think, and it didn't strike me as a weak Pokemon. Is this just considering each time it does damage, which could be up to 5? I suppose Ash doesn't know everything... [[User:Aiddat|Aiddat]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The anime and games don’t always follow the same rules. In the show, moves like fire spin, whirlpool, and rage seem to do large amounts of damage. However, in the games they do little more than mildly annoy you. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111

Talk:Murkrow (Pokémon)

2008-07-27T06:09:52Z

Darkcloud1111: /* Murkrow the steel type */ new section

Wears a hat? That's a feather crest, and I don't see any sort of witch hat in there...--BJG

>You don't see the resemblance to a witch? I'm surprised. It is supposed to be a crest, but it's also supposed to be a pointed witches' hat. Heck - even it's tailfeathers are shaped like the bristles on a witches' broomstick. The whole design comes off as a witch/crow combination.

- Zeta

>And for that matter, why would a regular "feather crest", have a round, circular, flat part?

- Zeta

http://www.columbia.edu/~jl2402/download/witch.gif

Compare the pointed nose to the beak, the hat to the feather crest, and the back of the broom to Murkrow's tail feathers. Doesn't the whole thing seem at least a little similar to eachother?

- Zeta, again.

...nope, still not seeing it. The way the tail is wrapped reminds me of sage brushing, but that's just coincidence.--BJG

I see it. Now that it's mentioned... [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 19:58, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

I'm pretty sure that the "Mur" part of the name is derived from the word "murder", which is the name for a group of crows, not "murky". Anyone else have any input?--[[User:Yoshi1001|Yoshi1001]] 03:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
:Murk. Crow. Say it fast. Murkrow. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 10:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

== Third colour? ==

Is there such a thing as a gold Murkrow? A friend of mine said she saw one in Eterna Forest. [[User:Inker|Inker]] 04:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
:Shiny Murkrow are purple. There are no gold Murkrow. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

== Murkrow the steel type ==

just pointing out that under the listing of murkrow's attacks, steel wing is listed as having a STAB effect which doesn't make any sense unless murkrow was a steel type. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 06:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111

Talk:Trade

2008-07-21T22:15:02Z

Darkcloud1111: /* Isn't it incomplete? */

Hey, since the Pokémon egg page lists eggs that are given to you in game, would it be cool if I listed in-game trades? I'll try and get started [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 09:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:Go for it. List the nicknames, too, and gender if it doesn't change depending on that of the player's. Like Charap the Chatot, both my friend and I got it as a female, so I think it may be set. And the OT/ID number it has, as well, since that's most definitely set. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:I support this fully. In fact, I wanted to do it at some point, but couldn't remember enough of the in-game trades to even start the list... ^^o --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 19:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::Oh man, I like this idea. I can play through the Japanese Blue version to get the trades exclusive to that game as well if you'd like. ... I'll do it anyway :D [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 15:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Make sure that you take down their ID number and OT name. I think it'd be an internally stored piece of data, even in Gen I. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== Trading between games ==

Is it possible to trade between generations? I have Blue and I have FireRed. I also have 2 gameboy advances. I tried to connect them but it didn't work. Possible problem 1 - they are different generations. Possible problem 2 - Blue can only trade from a Gameboy not a Gameboy Advance. If I had another Red/Yellow/Blue I could test between two GBAs, but I don't, so I thought I'd ask. [[User:Harvestdancer|Harvestdancer]] 01:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:Between [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]]? Yes, but you can't trade a Pokémon introduced in Generation II (ex. {{p|Chikorita}}) or a Pokémon with a move introduced in Generation II (ex. {{p|Oddish}} with {{m|Sweet Scent}}). There is one restriction: they must be of the same language. Before [[Generation III]], trying to trade between languages would more than likely corrupt your game and erase your data. Nintendo even put a warning in the instruction booklets about this. This only applies for the game paks themselves--for example, you could trade between two North American English-language copies using a Japanese [[Game Boy]] Light and a European [[Game Boy Advance SP]] using a South American Game Boy Pocket [[link cable]].

:Between the first two generations and Generation III? Sadly, no. You can't connect a game designed for the original black-and-white Game Boy or the [[Game Boy Color]] and a game designed for the [[Game Boy Advance]] due to hardware issues. In addition, Pokémon are coded differently between Generation II and Generation III--for example, IVs are between 0 and 15 in Generation II but between 0 and 31 in Generation III, stat experience now caps at 255 points per stat and 510 points overall in Generation III as opposed to 255 points per stat and no overall cap in Generation II, and other issues.

:Trading in Generation I and Generation II works on all compatible hardware with link ports. This means any combination of original black-and-white Game Boy (including Pocket), Game Boy Color, [[wp:Super Game Boy#Super Game Boy 2|Super Game Boy 2]], Game Boy Advance, Game Boy Advance SP, and [[wp:Game Boy Player|Game Boy Player]] will work, just as long as you use the link cables compatible with the Generation I and Generation II games. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:03, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

::I & II are compatable, but III is different. What about III and IV? [[User:Harvestdancer|Harvestdancer]] 20:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::See [[Pal Park]] and the [[dongle method]]. Gen III can transfer Pokémon ahead, however, it isn't quite trading. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

== Nicknames and Original Trainers ==

Can they please be added for all the Pokémon received in trades? [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 19:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== The Evolution Error ==

Which Gen I in-game trade made the famous "Your Pokémon went and evolved!" error? I'll add it to the article as trivia --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 12:08, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:It's Raichu for Electrode. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Um, your edit seems to have buggered up and I don't know how to fix it...[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 12:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Isn't it incomplete? ==

IMHO, the article is incomplete. There are many things to be added: info about the in-game requirements to trade (especially between generations), about the Mobile System in the Japanese Crystal version, info about the in-game trades, short info about OTs and IDs (and the links to corresponding articles) and so on. Since [[User:Porygon-Z|Porygon-Z]] does not agree, it should be discussed. --[[User:Pokeresp|Pokeresp]] 23:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I 100% aggree with you. All that information is needed, especially the requirements to trade. I can't see any reason why this valuable information shouldn't be on the page.--[[User:Cjhard|Cjhard]] 08:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

you could also include that pokemon at certain levels wont obey you until you have a badge.--[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]]

Talk:Eevee (Pokémon)

2008-07-18T05:02:38Z

Darkcloud1111: /* More Evolutions */