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HM slave

2010-01-27T21:00:27Z

Daipop: Read the discussion before erasing this tables please (The one entitled as "Disagreement")

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An '''HM slave''', or sometimes '''HM mule''', is a Pokémon which is in the party not to be used in {{pkmn|battle}}, but to provide the use of [[HM]] moves or other {{cat|moves usable outside of battle}} that typically are not suitable for a powerful team. An HM slave itself is usually considered to be a Pokémon that can have all four of its moves taken up by HMs, and occasionally by any move usable outside of battle.

Most HM slaves are incredibly common Pokémon, typically those which can be captured on the first [[routes]] of a given game. A majority of them are {{type2|Normal}}, which is fitting, considering that this type is shared with three of the eight current HMs, and {{m|Rock Smash}}, though it is {{t|Fighting}}, is also usually available to them as well. {{type2|Water}} Pokémon are also common, as they also have three HM moves which share their type, and many are also able to use at least one or two of the other five. Because of these two tendencies, as well as its typing, {{p|Bibarel}} is often regarded as the ideal HM slave.

Due to both {{m|Fly}} and {{m|Defog}} sharing the {{type2|Flying}}, Pokémon of this type are also considered to be good HM slaves in Generation IV, especially considering Defog's effect does nothing to harm the opponent directly at all (while Flash lowered the opponent's accuracy, causing moves to sometimes miss, Defog merely lowers their evasiveness). HM slaves like {{p|Tropius}} and {{p|Pelipper}} are ideal for these roles since they are capable of using other HM moves along with Fly and Defog.

Typically, [[legendary Pokémon]] like {{p|Lugia}} and most especially {{p|Mew}} can learn many, if not all, HM moves. Because their high stats mean they are ''incredibly'' useful for battle, most consider it a waste to put ''any'' HM moves, aside from perhaps {{m|Surf}} or {{m|Waterfall}}, on a legendary, especially an event legendary like Mew, available only occasionally directly from [[Nintendo]] itself.

==Most Compatible HM Slaves for Each Generation==
===Generation I===
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! style="-moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; background: #{{red color light}}" | #
! style="background: #{{red color light}}" colspan="2" | Pokémon
! style="background: #{{red color light}}" colspan="5" | HMs
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; background: #{{red color light}}" colspan="3" | Field
{{lop/hm-1|080|Slowbro|no|no|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|no}}
{{lop/hm-1|113|Chansey|no|no|no|yes|yes|no|yes|yes}}
{{lop/hm-1|151|Mew|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes}}
|} 

===Generation II===
{| align="center" style="-moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #{{silver color}}; background: #{{gold color}};"
! style="-moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; background: #{{gold color light}}" | #
! style="background: #{{gold color light}}" colspan="2" | Pokémon
! style="background: #{{gold color light}}" colspan="7" | HMs
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; background: #{{gold color light}}" colspan="5" | Field
{{lop/hm-2|080|Slowbro|no|no|yes|yes|yes|no|no|yes|no|no|no|yes}}
{{lop/hm-2|113|Chansey|no|no|no|yes|yes|no|no|no|no|yes|no|yes}}
{{lop/hm-2|130|Gyarados|no|no|yes|yes|no|yes|yes|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{lop/hm-2|151|Mew|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|no|no|no|yes}}
{{lop/hm-2|235|Smeargle|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes}}
|} 

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HM slave

2010-01-27T20:54:51Z

Daipop:

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An '''HM slave''', or sometimes '''HM mule''', is a Pokémon which is in the party not to be used in {{pkmn|battle}}, but to provide the use of [[HM]] moves or other {{cat|moves usable outside of battle}} that typically are not suitable for a powerful team. An HM slave itself is usually considered to be a Pokémon that can have all four of its moves taken up by HMs, and occasionally by any move usable outside of battle.

Most HM slaves are incredibly common Pokémon, typically those which can be captured on the first [[routes]] of a given game. A majority of them are {{type2|Normal}}, which is fitting, considering that this type is shared with three of the eight current HMs, and {{m|Rock Smash}}, though it is {{t|Fighting}}, is also usually available to them as well. {{type2|Water}} Pokémon are also common, as they also have three HM moves which share their type, and many are also able to use at least one or two of the other five. Because of these two tendencies, as well as its typing, {{p|Bibarel}} is often regarded as the ideal HM slave.

Due to both {{m|Fly}} and {{m|Defog}} sharing the {{type2|Flying}}, Pokémon of this type are also considered to be good HM slaves in Generation IV, especially considering Defog's effect does nothing to harm the opponent directly at all (while Flash lowered the opponent's accuracy, causing moves to sometimes miss, Defog merely lowers their evasiveness). HM slaves like {{p|Tropius}} and {{p|Pelipper}} are ideal for these roles since they are capable of using other HM moves along with Fly and Defog.

Typically, [[legendary Pokémon]] like {{p|Lugia}} and most especially {{p|Mew}} can learn many, if not all, HM moves. Because their high stats mean they are ''incredibly'' useful for battle, most consider it a waste to put ''any'' HM moves, aside from perhaps {{m|Surf}} or {{m|Waterfall}}, on a legendary, especially an event legendary like Mew, available only occasionally directly from [[Nintendo]] itself.

==Best HM Slaves for Each Generation==
===Generation I===
{| align="center" style="-moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #{{green color}}; background: #{{red color}};"
! style="-moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; background: #{{red color light}}" | #
! style="background: #{{red color light}}" colspan="2" | Pokémon
! style="background: #{{red color light}}" colspan="5" | HMs
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; background: #{{red color light}}" colspan="3" | Field
{{lop/hm-1|080|Slowbro|no|no|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|no}}
{{lop/hm-1|113|Chansey|no|no|no|yes|yes|no|yes|yes}}
{{lop/hm-1|151|Mew|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes}}
|} 

===Generation II===
{| align="center" style="-moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #{{silver color}}; background: #{{gold color}};"
! style="-moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; background: #{{gold color light}}" | #
! style="background: #{{gold color light}}" colspan="2" | Pokémon
! style="background: #{{gold color light}}" colspan="7" | HMs
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; background: #{{gold color light}}" colspan="5" | Field
{{lop/hm-2|080|Slowbro|no|no|yes|yes|yes|no|no|yes|no|no|no|yes}}
{{lop/hm-2|113|Chansey|no|no|no|yes|yes|no|no|no|no|yes|no|yes}}
{{lop/hm-2|130|Gyarados|no|no|yes|yes|no|yes|yes|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{lop/hm-2|151|Mew|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|no|no|no|yes}}
{{lop/hm-2|235|Smeargle|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes|yes}}
|} 

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Talk:HM slave

2010-01-27T20:52:39Z

Daipop:

can anyone give me a list of HM mules?
:Depends on what the exact definition is. I know that {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Bibarel}} can both learn HMs to fill up their moves. {{p|Mew}}, of course, can. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::Every Pokémon can be a HM Slave. For example my Yan Long (my female Onix) has 3 HM moves in her moveset: Strength, Rock Climb, Rock Smash. She's nothing more than a HM "mule". I use her only to get through dungeon. Every Pokémon who learns HMs can be a HM Slave, there is no specific list. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that if you want a combination of two Pokémon to have four HMs each to fill out their moveset so that between them you have all eight HMs, Tropius/Chinchou in RSE is one such combination (and Kyogre/Rayquaza), as is Bibarel/Skarmory in DP. And of course, two Mews. -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Also Wailord. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 20:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Page name ==

In the many years I have been online and browsing Pokémon websites, this is the first time I have seen the term "HM Mule" used. In fact, the Google search results display a dramatic difference between the two terms (with omitted results included), HM Slave giving 540 results, and HM Mule giving only 117. And a large number of the latter have little or no relation to Pokémon whatsoever. Wouldn't it make more sense to name the article after the more common term?

<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 19:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with System Error. I vote we move this page. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 20:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as a count from today, "HM Mule" 111 Google hits; "HM Slave" 592, and "HM Bitch" 306. Move page to "HM Slave", and add a redirect page for "HM Bitch" to it?" (This page is also the first time I've seen "HM Mule"; I've previously used the other two terms, with a preference for the latter.) -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

What about HM Whore? I've heard that a lot. So that should be a redirect, shouldn't it?--[[User:Goukazaru|Goukazaru]] 16:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've only heard of HM slaves, although I (being me) call them HMers, but that's just what I say, but that in google and you get zilch-o. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

== Defog? ==

Back at my old forums, someone posted something about Defog, calling it another Rapid spin sans damage. He/She/It said that defog could remove Stealth Rocks, Spikes, and other things I can't remember. Everyone seemed to believe said He/She/It, has anyone tested that? [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 16:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, Defog DOES remove Stealth Rock and Spikes. And Toxic Spikes, Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard, and Mist. On your opponent's side of the battlefield. So yeah. It's bad if you set up Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes, but good if your opponent set up anything else. Oh, and obviously it clears fog from the battle. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 01:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

So then why is it considered the 'worst' tm ever.. I remember flash being pretty damn useless.. [[User:Sylari|Sylari]] 21:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

not TM,Hm [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]

I assume because most trainers feel the lowering of one's accuracy is far more frustrating then the removal of spikes. --[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 15:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Question. ==

Is there ''anything'' besides Mew that can learn all five/seven/eight in a specific generation? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, there's {{p|Smeargle}}... in a way. But then he wasn't introduced until [[Generation II]].. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 05:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:There's also {{p|Arceus}} in [[Generation IV]]...[[User:ShadowLugiaEx|ShadowLugiaEx]] 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dragonite ==
Dragonite and Bibarel can learn all of the HM moves between them (although it's a trek to train a Dragonite, but better than using a Lugia). [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 08:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Tropius and Bibarel can also learn them all. Of course, Tropius is tough to find unless you have Platinum or access to Pal Park. {{unsigned|Osiris32}}

== So ==

Opinions on my listing revamp? Should I kill the on-field moves and leave it as HM-only? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Disagreement ==

As MAGNEDETH argues in the edit made on December 4 of 2009 about the tables made by me and edited later by TTEchidna (sorry for the awful mess XD TTEchidna's version rules):

"Most HM slaves are incredibly common Pokémon, typically those which can be captured on the first routes of a given game." - these examples are ANYTHING but...

I agree with him in some points, first of all... "Any common pokémon capable of learning HMs can become an HM Slave" yes,
second... "typically those pokémon are captured at the beginning of the game because you need to use this abilities" yes, this is also true, BUT... the purpose of the table mentioned before was to solve the question that almost every pokémon gamer has asked himself at some point of the games, "Wich are the best pokémons in each generation to carry my HMs and Field moves?", the best and logical answer is "the pokémon who can learn the most quantity of HMs per game", obviously you can't left this task to a single pokémon since they can only learn four moves, so the idea is to distribute the HMs and Field Moves of a certain generation onto the minimum amount of HM slaves possible, maybe you'll need several HM slaves at the beginning but at some point of the game you can say "Why not concentrate all those abilities onto the minimum pokémon combination possible? this way I can throw away all those several incredibly common HM slaves that I have".

So, my point is... the tables mentioned before wasn't random examples of what an HM slave can be, or examples of common pokémons (in the meaning of not rare) that can be HM slaves, they are, according to most people, the best pokémons of each generation for being HM Slave (If you don't believe me read other forums); and this tables follows the following rules:

* The tables shows only pokémons capable of perform HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows the pokémons most compatible with HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows only pokémons capable of fill their four moves with HMs and/or field moves.
* This pokémons are combinable in the way that every HM or field move is covered between a minimum combination of pokémons.
* The tables covers and allows to view wich are all the HMs and field moves for every generation.

Obviously there's not exist one unique combination for this, but, for example, if you want to have all the eight field moves of Generation I in the best pokémon combination possible, you know that you need at least 2 HM slaves wich is the minimum of pokémons necesary to cover all the eight field moves (HMs & TMs wich do so), so, instead of investigate wich pokémon can learn wich move and so on, you can check the table, pick two pokémons, compare their possible moves and decide what is the best for you; for that reason I've decided to restore the tables until someone else suggests something better. I'll try to improve the meaning of the tables changing the title "common HM slaves" to something else to not confuse people between "most commonly used pokémons for HM Slaves because of their compability with HMs" than "Examples of Common Pókemons able to be HM Slaves".

Ok, sorry for this huge explanation and sorry for my poor grammar in english (it's not my native language but I'm practicing), I'm just trying to be part and contribute (even a little) with this wonderful community, greetings.

HM slave

2009-09-27T12:40:02Z

Daipop:

An '''HM slave''', also referred to as an '''HM mule''', is a term for a [[Pokémon]] who is not trained for {{pkmn|battle}} and instead stays on a {{player}}'s [[party|team]] to use [[HM]] [[move]]s outside of battle to traverse the game. This is due, for the most part, to the fact that many of the moves learned through HMs deal little damage or have no worth on a powerful team of Pokémon.

Most HM slaves are common Pokémon, particularly those which can be captured early and can be taught many of the HM moves. This often falls into the hands of several extremely common {{type2|Normal}} Pokémon, since the moves {{m|Cut}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Flash}} and {{m|Rock Climb}} are their type, and they can usually learn the {{type2|Fighting}} HM move {{m|Rock Smash}} as well. {{type2|Water}} Pokémon are also common HM slaves due to the appearance of such HMs as {{m|Whirlpool}}, {{m|Waterfall}} and {{m|Dive}}. Because of these two trends, {{p|Bibarel}} is often considered the ideal HM slave by many fans.

{{type2|Flying}} Pokémon also sometimes act as HM slaves, since the move {{m|Fly}} is possibly the most useful move for traveling and, while a better combat move than several other HMs, is not always desired on a trained fighter. This became more common with the introduction of {{m|Defog}} in [[Generation IV]], which is considered by fans to be the least useful HM move to date, both in combat and in the field. {{p|Lugia}}, therefore, is a good HM slave, as it can learn all {{t|Flying}}- and {{type2|Water}} HMs; however, its legendary status makes it more likely to be saved for battle. A similar situation happens to {{p|Mew}}; it can learn every HM, but is super-rare and is best in battling. Hackers may use these two Pokémon as HM slaves, because they have an unlimited supply.

==Common HM Slaves==

===Generation I===

* '''HM moves:''' {{m|Cut}}, {{m|Fly}}, {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Flash}}.
* '''Field moves:''' {{m|Dig}}, {{m|Teleport}}, {{m|Softboiled}}.

'''Perfect HM Slave Team:''' Based on the fact that they are the only pokémons in generation I who can learn {{m|Softboiled}}, and with that restriction this is the only combination of 2 pokémons who can learn all the HM and field moves at the same time.

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|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
!
! Pokémon
! Move 1
! Move 2
! Move 3
! Move 4
|-
| 113
| {{MS|113|Chansey}}
| align="center" style="background:#{{normal color}}" |[[Chansey]]
| align="center" style="background:#{{normal color}}" |{{m|Strength}}
| align="center" style="background:#{{normal color}}" |{{m|Flash}}
| align="center" style="background:#{{psychic color}}" |{{m|Teleport}}
| align="center" style="background:#{{normal color}}" |{{m|Softboiled}}
|-
| 151
| {{MS|151|Mew}}
| align="center" style="background:#{{psychic color}}" |[[Mew]]
| align="center" style="background:#{{normal color}}" |{{m|Cut}}
| align="center" style="background:#{{flying color}}" |{{m|Fly}}
| align="center" style="background:#{{water color}}" |{{m|Surf}}
| align="center" style="background:#{{ground color}}" |{{m|Dig}}
|}

; '''Team advantages:'''
: * All the "outside battle moves" of the game are concentrated in two pokémons.
: * Mew can learn all the HM moves and field moves and also be exported to generation II (You can use 2 [[Mew]]s instead).

; '''Team disadvantages:'''
: * Two rare pokémons difficult to obtain and not possible from the beginning of the game, unless you extract them from [[Pokémon Stadium]] or getting them from a trade.
: * Mew is a powerfull and versatile pokémon and many trainers don't want to waste his potential with HMs (you can use [[Dragonite]] instead sacrificing {{m|Dig}}).

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