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== Titles missing "Version"? ==
Do the titles include "version" this time? I'm not seeing it on the official site or the trailer. I think they're just called Pokemon X and Pokemon Y now. [[User:Hheebo|Hheebo]] ([[User talk:Hheebo|talk]]) 14:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon X and Y "Versions"? ==

Is it right to be calling them Pokemon X Version and Pokemon Y version? Unlike previous games Nintendo hasn't used the word "version" when referring to them by name, just calling them Pokemon X and Pokemon Y rather than, to use the most recent example, "Pokemon Black Version 2" and "Pokemon White Version 2". The logos don't contain the word "version" either. I think they should simply be referred to as Pokemon X and Y.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Hheebo. Delete if necessary.
[[User:NFreak007|NFreak007]] ([[User talk:NFreak007|talk]]) 14:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

:I second this. "Versions" hasn't been mentioned at all, nor are contained in the logos. If "Versions" were in the title, there's usually a habit of saying it every time the game title comes up. It's misleading to list the article as it being called "X and Y ''Versions''" if there really isn't any facts backing that up. --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 16:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thirded. It should be [[Pokémon X and Y]], as I stated on [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2]]'s trivia section. Please rename this page and change this article and the Generation VI one accordingly. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Fourthed. Every other main series entry has had "version" on it, this is different in all languages. This should be reflected in the title of the page. {{unsigned|NP Chilla}}
::::[http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PokemonXY8-1024x640.jpg Here]. Enjoy. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::That seems to be a screenshot from Nintendo3DS's video. The official Pokémon channel uploaded the same trailer, and they don't use the word Version, and they're strict with that word, putting it in all Black Version 1 and White Version 1 videos. [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 19:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::The same video is also on Pokemon.com, without the word "Version." I fifth the notion that it should be struck from here, because it doesn't appear to be in any official media. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 02:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to move it to [[Pokémon X and Y]], 'cause it doesn't even say the name "version" in the title. In previous games, the official sources have said "Pokémon [title] Version" only if it has the word "version in the logo. These games are different, they don't have "version" in the title at all, so I really wouldn't see any reason to have it titled "Pokémon X and Y Versions".—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 10:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I would like to agree with the page move as well, but I really can't say until there is more usage of just "Pokemon X and Y" an not "Pokemon X version and Pokemon Y version". I am undecided since I've seen Pokémon Direct recordings with the word "version" in it (like in the picture posted by Masatoshi), but everything else points to just calling it [[Pokémon X and Y]]. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 23:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:The official press release repeatedly lists the trademarked titles as ''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' and never uses the term "Version." Excerpt: "''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' will be the blueprint for an exciting array of new animation, Pokémon TCG, and toys debuting around the world."
:In all of their press releases for other games in the series they use "Version," for example this excerpt from the B2W2 press release: "The successors to the acclaimed ''Pokémon Black Version'' and ''Pokémon White Version'' games, ''Pokémon Black Version 2'' and ''Pokémon White Version 2''..."
:So it seems pretty obvious that it should be moved to "Pokémon X and Y."[[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] ([[User talk:AmaranthSparrow|talk]]) 21:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Heck, even Pokémon.com reads "''An all-new 3D Pokémon adventure packed with never-before-seen Pokémon will launch worldwide in October 2013. '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y''' will present a new generation of Pokémon, and introduce players to an exciting new adventure in a breathtaking 3D world.''" Could an admin PLEASE hurry up and move the name of this page? [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 23:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::By moving the page, not only would {{template|v}}, {{template|2v}}, {{template|2v2}}, and {{template|game}} have to be edited (besides the fact that they are all massively used) but [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y_Versions&limit=500 every single page] that links here would also have to be edited. There's also {{template|PokémonInfobox}}, which is only used on '''over 650 pages'''. Templates on the Archives would also have to be changed. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::I'm against moving this page, at the very least until further information is available. "Version" is part of what separates the main series for games like Stadium, XD, and the like. Furthermore, there is at least some evidence that these games are still titled "X Version" and "Y Version" as seen in the picture Masa posted. It seems to me like the company is merely advertising the game in this manner because this is how the fandom always refers to the games, that is, without the word "version". Furthermore, this is probably simpler since it saves them the trouble of having to write "version" in several different languages all at once (remember, this is getting an instant worldwide release, and "Pokemon" is pretty universal while "version" isn't). We should at least wait a while before moving the page, and then having to move it back again. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 23:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Just to clarify, Masatoshi's image wasn't official; the official trailer doesn't have that banner on it, nor refers to them at all as having "Versions". As for the templates, they don't appear hard to edit in a change if you use "if switches". --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 00:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::Just to clarify, "#if:" switches work differently than "#switch:"es. Don't worry though, it'll only cause the servers to fail like when {{template|roundy}} used them.--[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::His image was official. [http://www.nintendo.nl/Divers/Nintendo-Direct/Laatstse-Nintendo-Direct/Nintendo-Direct-698557.html This] is official straight from Nintendo's website. It says "version". This is why I am sort of reserving a conclusion and doing a wait and see. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 02:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:Where? From what I can see, it calls them Polémon X (lol, presumably a typo) and Pokémon Y. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 03:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::'''The video.''' --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Seems more likely to be some sort of mistake, given that the other videos don't feature that and the press release specifically omits the word. Anyway, I have contacted Nintendo regarding the title of the games, and will wait to see what they have to say about it. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/Nintendo-Direct/2013/Pokemon-Direct-08-01-2013/Nintendo-Direct-699626.html What about the Nintendo's UK website?] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::All of the official Nintendo websites, including even the Pokémon website clearly state it as '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y'''. There is '''no''' official Nintendo website that calls them "Pokémon X Version" and "Pokémon Y Version".—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 08:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::The point is that in the official Pokémon Direct announcement it is present. Every other main series game has it, and in the official announcement (which is on official Nintendo websites) it uses it. Until we get boxart, we should follow what we have been given. It is very commonplace to drop "version" when talking about the titles (Iwata did it himself in the Pokémon Direct video, while "version" was shown on the screen). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:Okay, [http://i.imgur.com/9ANSo.png Nintendo got back to me]. According to them, it's just "Pokémon X" and "Pokémon Y", and they go on to mention that whatever the website says is the "current" and most up-to-date official source. (and I must say, I'm impressed with how quickly they responded :p). --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 13:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::Then they forgot to remove the Version thing in the video. This seems solid enough for us. We would be moving this page to '''[[Pokémon X and Y]]''' and doing all necessary changes soon (not before letting the rest of the staff know). [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 14:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Upon further discussion, we decided to put the moving on hold until we make sure of some stuff related to TPCi. It's still strange that after 15 years, they decide to drop "Version" just like that. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Aww, can't you please move the page already? It's already been confirmed by Nintendo that it's called simply '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y''', it even says that in the official '''logos''' of the trailer and official website of http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ that it's only called Pokémon X and Pokémon Y. What do you think? Do you really think it's going to change just to the way you think it's going to be? I'm afraid you're just not used to change, and I understand it takes us a while to adapt to change. ^^—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 04:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::It has nothing to do with being afraid of change. We needed to be absolutely sure, which is why they've put it off so far. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::I'm sure we have had plenty of proof that it is simply Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, having known that http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ is an '''official source''' that comes from the '''official''' Pokémon website. That website alone is enough to make you absolutely sure that it really is '''official'''. ;) —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 14:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

==New region==
In this article it states that the new region is likely based off of France but the [[Generation VI]] page says it draws inspiration from various points within Europe. The pages should be more consistent and more neutral about the subject. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 14:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
* The Nintendo Direct Trailer begins with Pikachu atop the Eiffel Tower. Unova draws from inspirations outside of the strict real world New York; it's not conflicting to say it's both based on France and draws inspiration from the rest of Europe.

== Trivia to be added, I believe... ==

A bit of trivia to be added:
*These are the first main series games to have letters in the title rather than color names.
*The game titles may be named after the X and Y axes of the [[wp:Cartesian coordinate system|Cartesian coordinations]]. ~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 10:04, 8 January, 2013 (UTC)
:Given that the Japanese logos clearly have DNA helixes in them, I think it's safe to say that they were going for genetics. Not coordinates. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 15:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why not both? --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 15:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Because the Japanese logos have DNA helixes in them so they are standing for genetics, not coordinates. It was made pretty clear by Jo. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
They're obviously named after the x and y chromosomes, not coordinates. [[User:Munlax|Munlax]] ([[User talk:Munlax|talk]]) 17:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Could it not be a double meaning? [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::And what makes you think it's coordinates? For all I know, we could also use algebraic expressions. So far, Jo's bet is the safest. Since it has helixes that resemble a DNA string, it's unlikely to have been based in coordinates. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::It's obviously based on Genetics, but Gamefreak and Nintendo love puns. X axis and Y axis. If the third legendary forms a Z shape, then I think it's safe to say that it's also partially a stealth 3DS pun --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why would it be based off coordinates anyway? It makes more sense to have them based off genetics seeming as you breed Pokemon in the game. And no, it has been said numerous times: The Japanese logos have '''DNA''' helixes in them. End of story. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::That doesn't really discount the other reasoning. You may notice the logo is also in 3D text (which they've never done for a logo before), which would indicate to me that they're going for a double entendre with the titles. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I thought it was to do with the buttons on the DS and 3DS consoles, shows what I know...[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 20:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
More trivia for your perusal: They'll be the first main series games to be released simultaneously worldwide, and "Pokemon X" was the original name for both Lugia and Pokemon Crystal. '''[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]]''' 22:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I agree about the released simultaneously worldwide as I was planning to suggest that myself. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::I don't think that the genetic base is so obvious, that thing in the logo can mean a lot of things. Also the coordinates reasoning in the first 3-'''dimentional''' game on a '''3D'''S is supported by the fact that Yveltal is flying while Xerneas is on the ground, like the axes. Can't be a coincidence. However save this geneticVSgeometic debate til we know if there is any Z Pokemon. It would kill the genetic theory and support the coordinates one. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:22, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::The fact that one flies and the other one roams the land does not mean they are based in coordinates or spacial axes, it CAN be a coincidence. The DNA string is heavily implied in the Japanese logo and supports the theory, while the axial theory only has a "What if the third version is Z?" as its support, and the fact that Xerneas runs horizontally (Even diagonally when it jumps!) and Yveltal flies (although horizontally, vertically, diagonally, you name it). [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 20:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::They would have been pretty stupid if they made them able to move only horizontally or vertically, and unable to jump. What kind of argument is that? The point is that the X axis on a graph goes across, the Y axis goes up, and is the Y Pokemon that flies, while the X pokemon is on the ground, not the opposite. However, ''as I said'', we should wait. I'm not saying that the coordinates theory is the right one (well, that's my intuition), but I don't think you have any proof to say for sure that they're related to chromosomes either, except a small low definition detail on the logo that could be anything. I can totally see a Z pokemon related to stereo3D coming. It's almost impossible that they'll do nothing to use the 3D function of the console. —[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

==Based off France?==
To suggest the region will 'likely' be based on France seems to be speculation of the sort that the banner of the top forbids, Tokyo also has a structure like the Eiffel Tower. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:The streets have an European-like setting; Pikachu spread his message from a location that seemed to be the same as France; that tower looks like the Eiffel Tower and it seems to use gray instead of white and red. While it's not confirmed, it is plausible that the region might be based in France. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::While it seems plausible, even likely. Isn't it still speculation? And why the entire region, rather than that particular city (I don't recall France having a desert, for example)? Castelia City in Black and White is said to be based off New York, yet the entire region isn't said to be based on the USA. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::There's a big difference between the USA and France, the US is a massive country (in terms of size and little would be explored, if not ignoring plenty of cities). I for one think it ''may'' be based in Europe, but that city, along with that picture with the bridge remind me of the {{wp|Palace of Versailles}}. Most people seem to agree it might be based in Europe/France, so for the time being, we'll leave it like this. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Pikachu's pretty clearly shown on the Eiffel Tower, in a country in the general location that everyone expects France to be. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 18:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Regardless it is very blatant '''speculation''', of which this encyclopaedia has clearly warned it's editors of avoiding. Popular agreement is '''NOT''' ''"confirmation by a reliable source"''. What's the point in that rule, if your so keen on breaking it? [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 18:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I do agree that it's speculation right now. It's like when everybody put Kyurem as the third member of the Tao trio before it was confirmed, despite them arguing tooth and nail and out right refusing to allow Giratina to be stated as the third member of the Dragon trio before Platinum came out [[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Exactly. It's really inconsistent. As an admin, it seems as if Masatoshi is going for a 'do as I say, not as I do'. You can't rule 'no speculation', then allow a piece that you favour, or personally find convincing.
:::::Even if the Eiffel Tower could be considered more than speculation, how do we arrive at the fact the WHOLE region is based on France?.. It's conjecture after conjecture... [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 01:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::In the trailer, Pikachu is seen on top of the Eiffel Tower. Literally. The camera zooms out and shows it in France. Saying the region is based on France is less of speculation, and more of an observation giving readers some idea what the region looks like. Rather than explaining every tiny little detail about the location, we can just blanket sweep it by saying, "It looks a lot like France." But obviously it's NOT France, cause Pokémon regions have almost never been real locations. (Sans Kanto. Kind of.) [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to forbid this from being posted for now until more conclusive proof is gathered by any means from official sources to verify this though it would be a very slim chance that any of this is true. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I should also point out that Junichi Masuda's current Twitter profile picture is him next to the Eiffel Tower and there is at least one message commenting on his trip to France. Possibly a coincidence, though it's hardly an argument against the region being based off France. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 02:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Texas has an Eiffel Tower. Japan has a Statue of Liberty too, but Japan isn't the first place you think of when you think of the Statue of Liberty, is it? Then don't even get me started on Las Vegas. Pikachu is in the real life France in the intro, the girl's attire seems very French to me personally, the Pokémon team went to France for "work related reasons". I don't really see anything pointing it away from France, and I'm done having this discussion. There are more important things to worry about. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::huh. didn't know france had a desert. that city is obviously based on paris, but i have doubts on the entire region being based on france alone. just my 2cents, i could be wrong, but hey, speculation is speculation ;) [[User:Tarilaan|Tarilaan]] ([[User talk:Tarilaan|talk]]) 11:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Pretty sure there's not a desert full of ancient ruins or mountain ranges in New York City, either, yet they're both in Unova. The game COULD be based in all of Europe, but so far we've only seen evidence of France. Saying the game "seems to be based on France" doesn't exclude the possibility of it also being based on other areas as well, in any case. --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] ([[User talk:ACDragonMaster|talk]]) 02:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:Europe is the safest assumption til the game is released and we can tell for sure if it's France or more. No reason to rush guys, we don't have enough information. Even if all we have seen is from France (it's not), it still doesn't mean that there won't be any Pisa Tower or Berlin Wall or Roman Coliseum (that I'd very much like) in another footage. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::Also the 2 legendaries "Xcalibur" and "Yvern" have a great European feeling more then French. –[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::Exactly, we don't have enough information, so why should we jump to "it seems to be based on Europe" from the get-go? If anything, all evidence points to France (Eiffel tower, Versailles, Pikachu's location, Masuda's trip, etc.) It's still speculation, however, one way or the other.[[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 08:02, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
:::France is in Europe. I think it's a safe assumption. —[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 10:17, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
::::The page says Europe. I am putting an end to this discussion on Bulbapedia. If you wish to speculate more on the subject, take it to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f693/ the forums]. Subsequent messages will be removed, and blocks may be handed out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 10:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

== Region is based in France ==

Besides the obvious Eiffel Tower reference, I found out that the buildings shown are reminiscent of Paris's type (which was forced as an official style there) and additionally, the place Pikachu is giving the conference is Paris.
I'm including the picture for future reference.
[http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/714858374.png?key=25601440&Expires=1357683885&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=cMmYD40-9pvM7rc2~DneFwveDyESiYlke9L7VLrKMgbxx17yzOX7SfaL0oLKZUA~kRH4KcIMGYHdMDnfQ35-hhN50gESVjsub7Jbcpfstq2AhsJnHXQVj36ktl~N5qZLf9cNqzq71xKIMedbWhyydovcNqw3jd~j6ylnFaxcxh4_]
--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 22:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:There's a section discussing that right above this one. Please join that conversation instead of starting a new section for the same thing. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Except South Korea ==

In the video, they only say "except select countries". --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Pokemon.com just confirmed the names of the mascots: Bambi is called Xerneas and Tweety is called Yveltal. http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 14:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Interwiki ==
Why don't you add the other lenguages? [http://wiki.pokemoncentral.it/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_e_Y Central Wiki], [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_und_Pok%C3%A9mon_Y PokéWiki], [http://poketeca.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_y_Y Pokéteca] ? --[[User:Zapdos96|Zapdos96]] ([[User talk:Zapdos96|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:Done. (Thanks for the reminder.) --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 18:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC) 

== Name origin ==

According to Japanese websites, the X and Y refer to the chromosomes --[[User:Ext|Ext]] ([[User talk:Ext|talk]]) 18:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:Link to the source please. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:38, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:[http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/6852422.html]here at comment #1154 talking about the logo showing DNA. Also here [http://pokemonxy.jp/news/20130108/pokemon_dna.html] read the article. The logo on the article should be updated. --[[User:Ext|Ext]] ([[User talk:Ext|talk]]) 13:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

== Error ==

It says "The first Pokémon '''to be released'''" when it should say "The first Pokémon '''revealed'''". —[[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 19:49, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Bolero Time ==
So are we going to completely ignore the fact that the male character is blatantly skating/roller-blading in the trailer?
Twenty-six seconds in to the trailer. I mean, this is new game-play right? I'm mentioning it here because I know if I just go ahead and put it in I'll get loads of "well he might be using Surf or something" complaints because for some reason it's only worth adding if an admin happens to like it. So yeah. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 22:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

== November 2, 2013 ==

Gamestop apparently lists the game's American release as Nov. 2nd, 2013? Is this true, and if so, wouldn't the article need to be updated to match it?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] ([[User talk:Darknesslover5000|talk]]) 05:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
:Gamestop usually lists a incorrect date before a game comes out, so I wouldn't worry about updating the page. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you. I can rest easy--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] ([[User talk:Darknesslover5000|talk]]) 05:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
:::No so much an incorrect date as their estimation. They have to make these estimations for the purposes of preorders. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

== RFE: Broken Link in Bulbanews box ==

The Bulbanews box currently gets the link wrong:

'''<nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki>''' links to [[:n:Category:Articles relating to Pokémon X and Y]] but the actual page is [[:n:Category:Articles relating to Pokémon X and Y Versions]].

It should be '''<nowiki>{{bulbanews|game|Pokémon X and Y Versions}}</nowiki>''' instead. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 19:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
:I've changed the category on Bulbanews. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:52, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

== Mewtwo's Awakened Form ==

A new, Mewtwo-esque Pokémon has been revealed. It needs to be added to this page.
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_YC0MXJ-0&list=PLQWzKIaERirwczLwQE6HegZyd4pYV5AwH
*http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/
[[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 23:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

It should be added on this page, but there isn't much anyone can write about it, as nothing is known except for the fact it's similar to Mewtwo. (Although in my opinion, I think it should just be noted with a photo about the new Pokemon in the Pokemon X and Y page and the Generation VI page). Btw, this new generation is totaly getting me pumped up for October! I know thats not a place to say that, but yea, just wanted to put that out there! LOL Hopefully new information will be available soon! :) PokeNerd 07:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's been added. Now we have to keep an eye out for its name... Maybe in the meantime we could just call it "New Mewtwo". [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 20:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:NO. Absolutely no speculating for now. We need to wait for an official name. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:21, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

While I agree 100% with no speculation, if the image is there, the presence of this new Mewtwo-like Pokemon and its role in the new movie should be mentioned under "New Pokemon", especially since I believe that would make it the first Gen VI Pokemon to appear in the anime. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

We should call it ?????????? for now. [[User:MewtwoForm2|MewtwoForm2]] ([[User talk:MewtwoForm2|talk]]) 23:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:We just need to wait. That's all I have to say regarding its name. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 23:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, leave it how it is! There is nothing further that anyone can tell at this time! Like I said above, they have only stated it shares similarities to Mewtwo and nothing else at this time! Naming it "??????????" is pointless, having a photo on the Pokemon X and Y page is just fine (how it is now). When more CONCRETE evidence is revealed, then a page should and will be made for the new Pokemon! Till then, lets just be amazed and in awe of this new Pokemon! :) PokeNerd 11:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

[[User:Poko10|Poko10]] ([[User talk:Poko10|talk]]) 10:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)PEOPLE i found a probable corocoro leak! It confirms that the new "mewtwo" IS a new forme. :D
*Same here, it's probably okay to label its box as "Mewtwo" or "New Mewtwo forme" at this point. [[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 14:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::[[n:CoroCoro reveals last week's unveiled Pokémon to be Forme of Mewtwo]] --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:45, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Not to speculate, but considering the movie's called Mewtwo's Awakening, and the form is described as Mewtwo awakening in its new form, I would say it's called "Awakened Form". But we should just wait for more info and add the artwork to the [[Mewtwo]] page. [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 15:57, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree we should probably wait for more information before we start naming things. [[User:Poko10|Poko10]] ([[User talk:Poko10|talk]]) 00:08, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
:When a name comes out, we'll add it, but this talkpage isn't the place to speculate about what it could be. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 00:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Now that its been confirmed as a new forme of Mewtwo, can that be officially added to the page and Mewtwo's page? Or should we wait? Demers-Vachon 01:45, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Why was the new Mewtwo picture removed in the recent update?
[[User:CrystalHalfBreed|CrystalHalfBreed]] ([[User talk:CrystalHalfBreed|talk]]) 19:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Because its been confirmed to be a new form and not a new Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:29, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we should make a new section for revealed forms of pokemon? Or place something in the screen shot section? It seems weird not to have any of this news anywhere on the page.
[[User:CrystalHalfBreed|CrystalHalfBreed]] ([[User talk:CrystalHalfBreed|talk]]) 15:51, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

== Possible Pokémon X and Y Release date ==

Hi! I'm new at this and I wanna share something to you all.

While I'm searching the web about Pokémon, I found a Wikipedia page titled ''2013 in video gaming'' and I was so excited to see a release date for ''Pokémon X and Y''. This maybe unofficial because I couldn't see any reference about the date. So here's the link: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_in_video_gaming#October.E2.80.93December 2013 in video gaming]

I hope this will help and also please reply... thank you! --[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|AwesomeDJPokemon]] ([[User talk:AwesomeDJPokemon|talk]]) 15:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

:From our article:

::"The paired versions will be released worldwide (except for select countries) on '''October 2013''' and will be available for both retail sale and download."

:It was announced in the first trailer I believe. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 15:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah, basically everyone has known the release date since the games were announced. I wonder where you have been for the past three months.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

::: Well, I knew that it was going to be released in October but I was talking about the exact '''date''' of the release. --[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|AwesomeDJPokemon]] ([[User talk:AwesomeDJPokemon|talk]]) 15:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: Oh, sorry. I didn't notice that there was '20' in the table. I'm sure it's just an assumption though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:52, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

:::::Thank you for noticing it! I just wanna contribute to you guys this and other information about the game and the franchise. --[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|AwesomeDJPokemon]] ([[User talk:AwesomeDJPokemon|talk]]) 16:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::Wikipedia is only reliable when a source is provided. I tracked down [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2013_in_video_gaming&diff=539765900&oldid=539723107 the edit which added the 20], and no source was provided. I have now removed that from the Wikipedia page. Thanks for pointing it out though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:51, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::: Just to let you know, the release date that says October 20th is back on that wikipedia page, I even called my game stores in my home town and all of them just have October 2013, no specific date. So whoever added that to wiki page, needs to A) remove it or B) provide a real source to where they got that release date from! PokeNerd 01:19, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::::The same user removed it later, so it's fine now. (Also, we really shouldn't use a Bulbapedia talk page to discuss a Wikipedia issue.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon X and Y

2013-04-22T19:18:42Z

CrystalHalfBreed: /* Mewtwo's Awakened Form */

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== Titles missing "Version"? ==
Do the titles include "version" this time? I'm not seeing it on the official site or the trailer. I think they're just called Pokemon X and Pokemon Y now. [[User:Hheebo|Hheebo]] ([[User talk:Hheebo|talk]]) 14:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon X and Y "Versions"? ==

Is it right to be calling them Pokemon X Version and Pokemon Y version? Unlike previous games Nintendo hasn't used the word "version" when referring to them by name, just calling them Pokemon X and Pokemon Y rather than, to use the most recent example, "Pokemon Black Version 2" and "Pokemon White Version 2". The logos don't contain the word "version" either. I think they should simply be referred to as Pokemon X and Y.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Hheebo. Delete if necessary.
[[User:NFreak007|NFreak007]] ([[User talk:NFreak007|talk]]) 14:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

:I second this. "Versions" hasn't been mentioned at all, nor are contained in the logos. If "Versions" were in the title, there's usually a habit of saying it every time the game title comes up. It's misleading to list the article as it being called "X and Y ''Versions''" if there really isn't any facts backing that up. --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 16:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thirded. It should be [[Pokémon X and Y]], as I stated on [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2]]'s trivia section. Please rename this page and change this article and the Generation VI one accordingly. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Fourthed. Every other main series entry has had "version" on it, this is different in all languages. This should be reflected in the title of the page. {{unsigned|NP Chilla}}
::::[http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PokemonXY8-1024x640.jpg Here]. Enjoy. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::That seems to be a screenshot from Nintendo3DS's video. The official Pokémon channel uploaded the same trailer, and they don't use the word Version, and they're strict with that word, putting it in all Black Version 1 and White Version 1 videos. [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 19:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::The same video is also on Pokemon.com, without the word "Version." I fifth the notion that it should be struck from here, because it doesn't appear to be in any official media. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 02:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to move it to [[Pokémon X and Y]], 'cause it doesn't even say the name "version" in the title. In previous games, the official sources have said "Pokémon [title] Version" only if it has the word "version in the logo. These games are different, they don't have "version" in the title at all, so I really wouldn't see any reason to have it titled "Pokémon X and Y Versions".—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 10:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I would like to agree with the page move as well, but I really can't say until there is more usage of just "Pokemon X and Y" an not "Pokemon X version and Pokemon Y version". I am undecided since I've seen Pokémon Direct recordings with the word "version" in it (like in the picture posted by Masatoshi), but everything else points to just calling it [[Pokémon X and Y]]. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 23:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:The official press release repeatedly lists the trademarked titles as ''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' and never uses the term "Version." Excerpt: "''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' will be the blueprint for an exciting array of new animation, Pokémon TCG, and toys debuting around the world."
:In all of their press releases for other games in the series they use "Version," for example this excerpt from the B2W2 press release: "The successors to the acclaimed ''Pokémon Black Version'' and ''Pokémon White Version'' games, ''Pokémon Black Version 2'' and ''Pokémon White Version 2''..."
:So it seems pretty obvious that it should be moved to "Pokémon X and Y."[[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] ([[User talk:AmaranthSparrow|talk]]) 21:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Heck, even Pokémon.com reads "''An all-new 3D Pokémon adventure packed with never-before-seen Pokémon will launch worldwide in October 2013. '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y''' will present a new generation of Pokémon, and introduce players to an exciting new adventure in a breathtaking 3D world.''" Could an admin PLEASE hurry up and move the name of this page? [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 23:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::By moving the page, not only would {{template|v}}, {{template|2v}}, {{template|2v2}}, and {{template|game}} have to be edited (besides the fact that they are all massively used) but [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y_Versions&limit=500 every single page] that links here would also have to be edited. There's also {{template|PokémonInfobox}}, which is only used on '''over 650 pages'''. Templates on the Archives would also have to be changed. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::I'm against moving this page, at the very least until further information is available. "Version" is part of what separates the main series for games like Stadium, XD, and the like. Furthermore, there is at least some evidence that these games are still titled "X Version" and "Y Version" as seen in the picture Masa posted. It seems to me like the company is merely advertising the game in this manner because this is how the fandom always refers to the games, that is, without the word "version". Furthermore, this is probably simpler since it saves them the trouble of having to write "version" in several different languages all at once (remember, this is getting an instant worldwide release, and "Pokemon" is pretty universal while "version" isn't). We should at least wait a while before moving the page, and then having to move it back again. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 23:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Just to clarify, Masatoshi's image wasn't official; the official trailer doesn't have that banner on it, nor refers to them at all as having "Versions". As for the templates, they don't appear hard to edit in a change if you use "if switches". --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 00:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::Just to clarify, "#if:" switches work differently than "#switch:"es. Don't worry though, it'll only cause the servers to fail like when {{template|roundy}} used them.--[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::His image was official. [http://www.nintendo.nl/Divers/Nintendo-Direct/Laatstse-Nintendo-Direct/Nintendo-Direct-698557.html This] is official straight from Nintendo's website. It says "version". This is why I am sort of reserving a conclusion and doing a wait and see. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 02:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:Where? From what I can see, it calls them Polémon X (lol, presumably a typo) and Pokémon Y. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 03:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::'''The video.''' --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Seems more likely to be some sort of mistake, given that the other videos don't feature that and the press release specifically omits the word. Anyway, I have contacted Nintendo regarding the title of the games, and will wait to see what they have to say about it. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/Nintendo-Direct/2013/Pokemon-Direct-08-01-2013/Nintendo-Direct-699626.html What about the Nintendo's UK website?] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::All of the official Nintendo websites, including even the Pokémon website clearly state it as '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y'''. There is '''no''' official Nintendo website that calls them "Pokémon X Version" and "Pokémon Y Version".—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 08:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::The point is that in the official Pokémon Direct announcement it is present. Every other main series game has it, and in the official announcement (which is on official Nintendo websites) it uses it. Until we get boxart, we should follow what we have been given. It is very commonplace to drop "version" when talking about the titles (Iwata did it himself in the Pokémon Direct video, while "version" was shown on the screen). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:Okay, [http://i.imgur.com/9ANSo.png Nintendo got back to me]. According to them, it's just "Pokémon X" and "Pokémon Y", and they go on to mention that whatever the website says is the "current" and most up-to-date official source. (and I must say, I'm impressed with how quickly they responded :p). --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 13:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::Then they forgot to remove the Version thing in the video. This seems solid enough for us. We would be moving this page to '''[[Pokémon X and Y]]''' and doing all necessary changes soon (not before letting the rest of the staff know). [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 14:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Upon further discussion, we decided to put the moving on hold until we make sure of some stuff related to TPCi. It's still strange that after 15 years, they decide to drop "Version" just like that. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Aww, can't you please move the page already? It's already been confirmed by Nintendo that it's called simply '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y''', it even says that in the official '''logos''' of the trailer and official website of http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ that it's only called Pokémon X and Pokémon Y. What do you think? Do you really think it's going to change just to the way you think it's going to be? I'm afraid you're just not used to change, and I understand it takes us a while to adapt to change. ^^—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 04:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::It has nothing to do with being afraid of change. We needed to be absolutely sure, which is why they've put it off so far. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::I'm sure we have had plenty of proof that it is simply Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, having known that http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ is an '''official source''' that comes from the '''official''' Pokémon website. That website alone is enough to make you absolutely sure that it really is '''official'''. ;) —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 14:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

==New region==
In this article it states that the new region is likely based off of France but the [[Generation VI]] page says it draws inspiration from various points within Europe. The pages should be more consistent and more neutral about the subject. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 14:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
* The Nintendo Direct Trailer begins with Pikachu atop the Eiffel Tower. Unova draws from inspirations outside of the strict real world New York; it's not conflicting to say it's both based on France and draws inspiration from the rest of Europe.

== Trivia to be added, I believe... ==

A bit of trivia to be added:
*These are the first main series games to have letters in the title rather than color names.
*The game titles may be named after the X and Y axes of the [[wp:Cartesian coordinate system|Cartesian coordinations]]. ~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 10:04, 8 January, 2013 (UTC)
:Given that the Japanese logos clearly have DNA helixes in them, I think it's safe to say that they were going for genetics. Not coordinates. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 15:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why not both? --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 15:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Because the Japanese logos have DNA helixes in them so they are standing for genetics, not coordinates. It was made pretty clear by Jo. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
They're obviously named after the x and y chromosomes, not coordinates. [[User:Munlax|Munlax]] ([[User talk:Munlax|talk]]) 17:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Could it not be a double meaning? [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::And what makes you think it's coordinates? For all I know, we could also use algebraic expressions. So far, Jo's bet is the safest. Since it has helixes that resemble a DNA string, it's unlikely to have been based in coordinates. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::It's obviously based on Genetics, but Gamefreak and Nintendo love puns. X axis and Y axis. If the third legendary forms a Z shape, then I think it's safe to say that it's also partially a stealth 3DS pun --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why would it be based off coordinates anyway? It makes more sense to have them based off genetics seeming as you breed Pokemon in the game. And no, it has been said numerous times: The Japanese logos have '''DNA''' helixes in them. End of story. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::That doesn't really discount the other reasoning. You may notice the logo is also in 3D text (which they've never done for a logo before), which would indicate to me that they're going for a double entendre with the titles. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I thought it was to do with the buttons on the DS and 3DS consoles, shows what I know...[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 20:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
More trivia for your perusal: They'll be the first main series games to be released simultaneously worldwide, and "Pokemon X" was the original name for both Lugia and Pokemon Crystal. '''[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]]''' 22:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I agree about the released simultaneously worldwide as I was planning to suggest that myself. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::I don't think that the genetic base is so obvious, that thing in the logo can mean a lot of things. Also the coordinates reasoning in the first 3-'''dimentional''' game on a '''3D'''S is supported by the fact that Yveltal is flying while Xerneas is on the ground, like the axes. Can't be a coincidence. However save this geneticVSgeometic debate til we know if there is any Z Pokemon. It would kill the genetic theory and support the coordinates one. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:22, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::The fact that one flies and the other one roams the land does not mean they are based in coordinates or spacial axes, it CAN be a coincidence. The DNA string is heavily implied in the Japanese logo and supports the theory, while the axial theory only has a "What if the third version is Z?" as its support, and the fact that Xerneas runs horizontally (Even diagonally when it jumps!) and Yveltal flies (although horizontally, vertically, diagonally, you name it). [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 20:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::They would have been pretty stupid if they made them able to move only horizontally or vertically, and unable to jump. What kind of argument is that? The point is that the X axis on a graph goes across, the Y axis goes up, and is the Y Pokemon that flies, while the X pokemon is on the ground, not the opposite. However, ''as I said'', we should wait. I'm not saying that the coordinates theory is the right one (well, that's my intuition), but I don't think you have any proof to say for sure that they're related to chromosomes either, except a small low definition detail on the logo that could be anything. I can totally see a Z pokemon related to stereo3D coming. It's almost impossible that they'll do nothing to use the 3D function of the console. —[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

==Based off France?==
To suggest the region will 'likely' be based on France seems to be speculation of the sort that the banner of the top forbids, Tokyo also has a structure like the Eiffel Tower. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:The streets have an European-like setting; Pikachu spread his message from a location that seemed to be the same as France; that tower looks like the Eiffel Tower and it seems to use gray instead of white and red. While it's not confirmed, it is plausible that the region might be based in France. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::While it seems plausible, even likely. Isn't it still speculation? And why the entire region, rather than that particular city (I don't recall France having a desert, for example)? Castelia City in Black and White is said to be based off New York, yet the entire region isn't said to be based on the USA. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::There's a big difference between the USA and France, the US is a massive country (in terms of size and little would be explored, if not ignoring plenty of cities). I for one think it ''may'' be based in Europe, but that city, along with that picture with the bridge remind me of the {{wp|Palace of Versailles}}. Most people seem to agree it might be based in Europe/France, so for the time being, we'll leave it like this. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Pikachu's pretty clearly shown on the Eiffel Tower, in a country in the general location that everyone expects France to be. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 18:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Regardless it is very blatant '''speculation''', of which this encyclopaedia has clearly warned it's editors of avoiding. Popular agreement is '''NOT''' ''"confirmation by a reliable source"''. What's the point in that rule, if your so keen on breaking it? [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 18:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I do agree that it's speculation right now. It's like when everybody put Kyurem as the third member of the Tao trio before it was confirmed, despite them arguing tooth and nail and out right refusing to allow Giratina to be stated as the third member of the Dragon trio before Platinum came out [[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Exactly. It's really inconsistent. As an admin, it seems as if Masatoshi is going for a 'do as I say, not as I do'. You can't rule 'no speculation', then allow a piece that you favour, or personally find convincing.
:::::Even if the Eiffel Tower could be considered more than speculation, how do we arrive at the fact the WHOLE region is based on France?.. It's conjecture after conjecture... [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 01:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::In the trailer, Pikachu is seen on top of the Eiffel Tower. Literally. The camera zooms out and shows it in France. Saying the region is based on France is less of speculation, and more of an observation giving readers some idea what the region looks like. Rather than explaining every tiny little detail about the location, we can just blanket sweep it by saying, "It looks a lot like France." But obviously it's NOT France, cause Pokémon regions have almost never been real locations. (Sans Kanto. Kind of.) [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to forbid this from being posted for now until more conclusive proof is gathered by any means from official sources to verify this though it would be a very slim chance that any of this is true. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I should also point out that Junichi Masuda's current Twitter profile picture is him next to the Eiffel Tower and there is at least one message commenting on his trip to France. Possibly a coincidence, though it's hardly an argument against the region being based off France. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 02:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Texas has an Eiffel Tower. Japan has a Statue of Liberty too, but Japan isn't the first place you think of when you think of the Statue of Liberty, is it? Then don't even get me started on Las Vegas. Pikachu is in the real life France in the intro, the girl's attire seems very French to me personally, the Pokémon team went to France for "work related reasons". I don't really see anything pointing it away from France, and I'm done having this discussion. There are more important things to worry about. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::huh. didn't know france had a desert. that city is obviously based on paris, but i have doubts on the entire region being based on france alone. just my 2cents, i could be wrong, but hey, speculation is speculation ;) [[User:Tarilaan|Tarilaan]] ([[User talk:Tarilaan|talk]]) 11:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Pretty sure there's not a desert full of ancient ruins or mountain ranges in New York City, either, yet they're both in Unova. The game COULD be based in all of Europe, but so far we've only seen evidence of France. Saying the game "seems to be based on France" doesn't exclude the possibility of it also being based on other areas as well, in any case. --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] ([[User talk:ACDragonMaster|talk]]) 02:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:Europe is the safest assumption til the game is released and we can tell for sure if it's France or more. No reason to rush guys, we don't have enough information. Even if all we have seen is from France (it's not), it still doesn't mean that there won't be any Pisa Tower or Berlin Wall or Roman Coliseum (that I'd very much like) in another footage. --[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 20:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::Also the 2 legendaries "Xcalibur" and "Yvern" have a great European feeling more then French. –[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 21:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
::Exactly, we don't have enough information, so why should we jump to "it seems to be based on Europe" from the get-go? If anything, all evidence points to France (Eiffel tower, Versailles, Pikachu's location, Masuda's trip, etc.) It's still speculation, however, one way or the other.[[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 08:02, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
:::France is in Europe. I think it's a safe assumption. —[[User:Tano|Tano]] ([[User talk:Tano|talk]]) 10:17, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
::::The page says Europe. I am putting an end to this discussion on Bulbapedia. If you wish to speculate more on the subject, take it to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f693/ the forums]. Subsequent messages will be removed, and blocks may be handed out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 10:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

== Region is based in France ==

Besides the obvious Eiffel Tower reference, I found out that the buildings shown are reminiscent of Paris's type (which was forced as an official style there) and additionally, the place Pikachu is giving the conference is Paris.
I'm including the picture for future reference.
[http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/714858374.png?key=25601440&Expires=1357683885&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=cMmYD40-9pvM7rc2~DneFwveDyESiYlke9L7VLrKMgbxx17yzOX7SfaL0oLKZUA~kRH4KcIMGYHdMDnfQ35-hhN50gESVjsub7Jbcpfstq2AhsJnHXQVj36ktl~N5qZLf9cNqzq71xKIMedbWhyydovcNqw3jd~j6ylnFaxcxh4_]
--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 22:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:There's a section discussing that right above this one. Please join that conversation instead of starting a new section for the same thing. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Except South Korea ==

In the video, they only say "except select countries". --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Pokemon.com just confirmed the names of the mascots: Bambi is called Xerneas and Tweety is called Yveltal. http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 14:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Interwiki ==
Why don't you add the other lenguages? [http://wiki.pokemoncentral.it/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_e_Y Central Wiki], [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_und_Pok%C3%A9mon_Y PokéWiki], [http://poketeca.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_y_Y Pokéteca] ? --[[User:Zapdos96|Zapdos96]] ([[User talk:Zapdos96|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:Done. (Thanks for the reminder.) --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 18:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC) 

== Name origin ==

According to Japanese websites, the X and Y refer to the chromosomes --[[User:Ext|Ext]] ([[User talk:Ext|talk]]) 18:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:Link to the source please. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:38, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:[http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/6852422.html]here at comment #1154 talking about the logo showing DNA. Also here [http://pokemonxy.jp/news/20130108/pokemon_dna.html] read the article. The logo on the article should be updated. --[[User:Ext|Ext]] ([[User talk:Ext|talk]]) 13:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

== Error ==

It says "The first Pokémon '''to be released'''" when it should say "The first Pokémon '''revealed'''". —[[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 19:49, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

== Bolero Time ==
So are we going to completely ignore the fact that the male character is blatantly skating/roller-blading in the trailer?
Twenty-six seconds in to the trailer. I mean, this is new game-play right? I'm mentioning it here because I know if I just go ahead and put it in I'll get loads of "well he might be using Surf or something" complaints because for some reason it's only worth adding if an admin happens to like it. So yeah. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 22:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

== November 2, 2013 ==

Gamestop apparently lists the game's American release as Nov. 2nd, 2013? Is this true, and if so, wouldn't the article need to be updated to match it?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] ([[User talk:Darknesslover5000|talk]]) 05:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
:Gamestop usually lists a incorrect date before a game comes out, so I wouldn't worry about updating the page. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you. I can rest easy--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] ([[User talk:Darknesslover5000|talk]]) 05:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
:::No so much an incorrect date as their estimation. They have to make these estimations for the purposes of preorders. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

== RFE: Broken Link in Bulbanews box ==

The Bulbanews box currently gets the link wrong:

'''<nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki>''' links to [[:n:Category:Articles relating to Pokémon X and Y]] but the actual page is [[:n:Category:Articles relating to Pokémon X and Y Versions]].

It should be '''<nowiki>{{bulbanews|game|Pokémon X and Y Versions}}</nowiki>''' instead. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 19:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
:I've changed the category on Bulbanews. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:52, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

== Mewtwo's Awakened Form ==

A new, Mewtwo-esque Pokémon has been revealed. It needs to be added to this page.
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_YC0MXJ-0&list=PLQWzKIaERirwczLwQE6HegZyd4pYV5AwH
*http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/
[[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 23:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

It should be added on this page, but there isn't much anyone can write about it, as nothing is known except for the fact it's similar to Mewtwo. (Although in my opinion, I think it should just be noted with a photo about the new Pokemon in the Pokemon X and Y page and the Generation VI page). Btw, this new generation is totaly getting me pumped up for October! I know thats not a place to say that, but yea, just wanted to put that out there! LOL Hopefully new information will be available soon! :) PokeNerd 07:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's been added. Now we have to keep an eye out for its name... Maybe in the meantime we could just call it "New Mewtwo". [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 20:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:NO. Absolutely no speculating for now. We need to wait for an official name. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:21, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

While I agree 100% with no speculation, if the image is there, the presence of this new Mewtwo-like Pokemon and its role in the new movie should be mentioned under "New Pokemon", especially since I believe that would make it the first Gen VI Pokemon to appear in the anime. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

We should call it ?????????? for now. [[User:MewtwoForm2|MewtwoForm2]] ([[User talk:MewtwoForm2|talk]]) 23:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:We just need to wait. That's all I have to say regarding its name. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 23:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, leave it how it is! There is nothing further that anyone can tell at this time! Like I said above, they have only stated it shares similarities to Mewtwo and nothing else at this time! Naming it "??????????" is pointless, having a photo on the Pokemon X and Y page is just fine (how it is now). When more CONCRETE evidence is revealed, then a page should and will be made for the new Pokemon! Till then, lets just be amazed and in awe of this new Pokemon! :) PokeNerd 11:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

[[User:Poko10|Poko10]] ([[User talk:Poko10|talk]]) 10:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)PEOPLE i found a probable corocoro leak! It confirms that the new "mewtwo" IS a new forme. :D
*Same here, it's probably okay to label its box as "Mewtwo" or "New Mewtwo forme" at this point. [[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 14:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::[[n:CoroCoro reveals last week's unveiled Pokémon to be Forme of Mewtwo]] --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:45, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Not to speculate, but considering the movie's called Mewtwo's Awakening, and the form is described as Mewtwo awakening in its new form, I would say it's called "Awakened Form". But we should just wait for more info and add the artwork to the [[Mewtwo]] page. [[User:MasterZ|MasterZ]] ([[User talk:MasterZ|talk]]) 15:57, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree we should probably wait for more information before we start naming things. [[User:Poko10|Poko10]] ([[User talk:Poko10|talk]]) 00:08, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
:When a name comes out, we'll add it, but this talkpage isn't the place to speculate about what it could be. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 00:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Now that its been confirmed as a new forme of Mewtwo, can that be officially added to the page and Mewtwo's page? Or should we wait? Demers-Vachon 01:45, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Why was the new Mewtwo picture removed in the recent update?
[[User:CrystalHalfBreed|CrystalHalfBreed]] ([[User talk:CrystalHalfBreed|talk]]) 19:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

== Possible Pokémon X and Y Release date ==

Hi! I'm new at this and I wanna share something to you all.

While I'm searching the web about Pokémon, I found a Wikipedia page titled ''2013 in video gaming'' and I was so excited to see a release date for ''Pokémon X and Y''. This maybe unofficial because I couldn't see any reference about the date. So here's the link: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_in_video_gaming#October.E2.80.93December 2013 in video gaming]

I hope this will help and also please reply... thank you! --[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|AwesomeDJPokemon]] ([[User talk:AwesomeDJPokemon|talk]]) 15:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

:From our article:

::"The paired versions will be released worldwide (except for select countries) on '''October 2013''' and will be available for both retail sale and download."

:It was announced in the first trailer I believe. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 15:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah, basically everyone has known the release date since the games were announced. I wonder where you have been for the past three months.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

::: Well, I knew that it was going to be released in October but I was talking about the exact '''date''' of the release. --[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|AwesomeDJPokemon]] ([[User talk:AwesomeDJPokemon|talk]]) 15:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: Oh, sorry. I didn't notice that there was '20' in the table. I'm sure it's just an assumption though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:52, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

:::::Thank you for noticing it! I just wanna contribute to you guys this and other information about the game and the franchise. --[[User:AwesomeDJPokemon|AwesomeDJPokemon]] ([[User talk:AwesomeDJPokemon|talk]]) 16:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::Wikipedia is only reliable when a source is provided. I tracked down [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2013_in_video_gaming&diff=539765900&oldid=539723107 the edit which added the 20], and no source was provided. I have now removed that from the Wikipedia page. Thanks for pointing it out though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:51, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::: Just to let you know, the release date that says October 20th is back on that wikipedia page, I even called my game stores in my home town and all of them just have October 2013, no specific date. So whoever added that to wiki page, needs to A) remove it or B) provide a real source to where they got that release date from! PokeNerd 01:19, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::::The same user removed it later, so it's fine now. (Also, we really shouldn't use a Bulbapedia talk page to discuss a Wikipedia issue.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

N's Pokémon

2013-04-17T00:53:07Z

CrystalHalfBreed: /* In the games */ Clarifying the N's pokemon cannot be encountered until the cutscene is activated

'''N's Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''Nのポケモン''' ''N's Pokémon'') are Pokémon in {{2v2|Black|White|2}} that were previously [[Caught Pokémon|owned]] by the [[Pokémon Trainer]] [[N]].

==In the games==
[[File:N Darmanitan encounter.png|thumb|right|An encounter with N's Darmanitan]]
N's Pokémon are obtainable via [[Memory Link]], with the exception of N's {{p|Zorua}}, who is obtainable through the main story by defeating [[Rood]] and obtaining it from him. Once Memory Link is used, if the player has completed the story line of {{g|Black and White|s}} (defeating N and [[Ghetsis]]), the player must see a flashback of N releasing his Pokémon with a {{tc|Team Plasma Grunt}} prior to the events of [[N's Castle]] in Black and White in [[Chargestone Cave]]. After they see this memory they may encounter N's pokemon.

Upon encountering one of N's Pokémon, the game will notify by showing a sprite entry animation that is similar to the [[Shiny Pokémon]] sprite, but instead has its own sound and the Pokémon is surrounded by green and yellow diamond lights. The flavor text will read "A wild <Pokémon> appeared?!" Upon being captured, the game will notify the player that the Pokémon already has an [[original trainer]], before putting it in the player's party or [[PC]] storage. Once captured, the Pokémon will have N's [[Trainer ID|ID Number]], 00002. These Pokémon cannot be nicknamed since they have no [[Secret ID]]. N's Pokémon have a set nature, and have [[Individual Values|IV]]s of 30 in each stat. They are incapable of being {{Shiny}}. While there is only one of each Pokémon, if the Pokémon faints or the battle is otherwise ended without the Pokémon being caught, it can be encountered again.

==Pokémon==
This is a list of Pokémon previously owned by N that are obtainable via [[Memory Link]].
==={{rt|2|Unova}}===
{{catch/header|forest|2}}
{{catch/entry5-2|509|Purrloin|yes|yes|Grass|{{tt|7|Timid}}|all=One|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/footer|forest}}

===[[Pinwheel Forest]]===
{{catch/header|forest|2}}
{{catch/entry5-2|519|Pidove|yes|yes|Grass|{{tt|13|Sassy}}|all=One|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5-2|532|Timburr|yes|yes|Grass|{{tt|13|Rash}}|all=One|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5-2|535|Tympole|yes|yes|Grass|{{tt|13|Modest}}|all=One|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|forest}}

===[[Wellspring Cave]]===
{{catch/header|cave|2}}
{{catch/entry5-2|527|Woobat|yes|yes|Cave|{{tt|55|Timid}}|all=One|type1=Psychic|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

===[[Desert Resort]]===
{{catch/header|sand|2}}
{{catch/entry5-2|551|Sandile|yes|yes|Sand|{{tt|22|Docile}}|all=One|type1=Ground|type2=Dark}}
{{catch/entry5-2|554|Darumaka|yes|yes|Sand|{{tt|22|Naive}}|all=One|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry5-2|555|Darmanitan|yes|yes|Sand|{{tt|35|Calm}}|all={{tt|One|Has its Hidden Ability}}|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry5-2|559|Scraggy|yes|yes|Sand|{{tt|22|Lax}}|all=One|type1=Dark|type2=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5-2|561|Sigilyph|yes|yes|Sand|{{tt|22|Gentle}}|all=One|type1=Psychic|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/footer|sand}}

===[[Driftveil City]]===
{{catch/header|city|4}}
{{catch/div|city|Gift Pokémon}}
{{catch/entry5-2|570|Zorua|yes|yes|Gift|{{tt|25|Hasty}}|all=One|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/footer|city}}

===[[Chargestone Cave]]===
{{catch/header|cave|2}}
{{catch/entry5-2|525|Boldore|yes|yes|Cave|{{tt|28|Naive}}|all=One|type1=Rock}}
{{catch/entry5-2|595|Joltik|yes|yes|Cave|{{tt|28|Docile}}|all=One|type1=Bug|type2=Electric}}
{{catch/entry5-2|597|Ferroseed|yes|yes|Cave|{{tt|28|Bashful}}|all=One|type1=Grass|type2=Steel}}
{{catch/entry5-2|599|Klink|yes|yes|Cave|{{tt|28|Rash}}|all=One|type1=Steel}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}

==Trivia==
* Because N's Pokémon have [[individual values]] of 30 in each stat, if they are taught {{m|Hidden Power}}, then it will always result in a {{type|Fighting}} move with a base power of 70.
* Some of N's Pokémon contradict themselves from Black and White.
** {{p|Purrloin}} has the Ability {{a|Limber}} instead of {{a|Unburden}}.
** {{p|Timburr}} has the Ability {{a|Guts}} instead of {{a|Sheer Force}}.
* Unlike the other Pokémon, N did not use {{p|Woobat}}, {{p|Darmanitan}}, or {{p|Zorua}} in his battles with the player in {{game|Black and White|s}}. Instead, these are the Pokémon featured beside a young N in those games' introduction video.
* All of N's Pokémon have maximum [[friendship]] when captured, the only Pokémon in the game to do so.
* Only N's {{p|Zekrom}}{{sup/5|B2}} / {{p|Reshiram}}{{sup/5|W2}} is not categorized as one of N's Pokémon in {{game|Black and White|s|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2|2}}.

[[de:Ns Pokémon]]

[[Category:Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]]

Evolution stone

2012-12-15T15:41:33Z

CrystalHalfBreed: /* List of stones */ Adding that Elm will give an Everstone in Silver/Gold after Togepi hatches, as I just tested it

:''For the Oval Stone, see [[Evolution-inducing held item#Oval Stone|evolution-inducing held item]]. For the Eviolite, see [[Stat-enhancing item#Eviolite|stat-enhancing item]].''
[[File:Branched evolution.png|thumb|250px|right|Gloom's [[List of Pokémon with branched evolutions|branched]] [[evolution family]] as demonstrated in the anime: both of Gloom's potential evolutions require an evolutionary stone.]]
An '''evolutionary stone''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|進化の石|しんかのいし}}''' ''Evolution stone'') is a stone-like [[item]] that radiates a mysterious energy that causes some [[Pokémon (species)|species of Pokémon]] to [[Evolution|evolve]].

Another stone, the Everstone, is different in that radiates a type of energy that prevents evolution in the holders; however, if a Pokémon holding the Everstone has an evolutionary stone used on it, it will still evolve.

Evolutionary stones may be used at any time, and cause instant evolution in the Pokémon they are used on, which cannot be canceled. With the exception of the Everstone, which must be held for its effects to take place, all evolutionary stones are applied directly to the Pokémon. All stones that cause evolution in a Pokémon are consumed upon that Pokémon's evolution.

The use of a stone is seen by many to be "forced" evolution, especially by the main characters of the anime, as the Pokémon is not in charge of its own transformation. Many Pokémon that result from a stone-based evolution also have vastly different [[level]]-up [[move|learnset]]s than their pre-evolutionary forms, with several learning no moves after evolution at all.

==List of stones==
{{Item
|name=Fire Stone
|jp=ほのおのいし
|jpt=Fire Stone
|gen=I
|bag=Items
|sell=1050
|sellnotes=Main series
|sell2=1
|sellnotes2=PMD
|buyable=yes
|buy={{tt|2100|10000 at Black City}}
|effect=Causes {{p|Vulpix}} to evolve into {{p|Ninetales}}. Causes {{p|Growlithe}} to evolve into {{p|Arcanine}}. Causes {{p|Eevee}} to evolve into {{p|Flareon}}. Causes {{p|Pansear}} to evolve into {{p|Simisear}}.
|descstad=A stone used for making certain kinds of Pokémon evolve.
|descgsc=Evolves certain kinds of Pokémon.
|descrse=Makes certain species of Pokémon evolve.
|descfrlg=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is colored orange.
|descdppthgss=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is colored orange.
|descbw=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is colored orange.
|descconquest=Enables certain Pokémon to evolve.
|descmdrb=It enables certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve. Give it to the Pokémon when it's ready to evolve.
|descmdtds=A peculiar orange stone that radiates warmth like a flame. It allows certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve.
|locrby=[[Celadon Department Store]]
|locgsc=[[Bill's grandfather]], [[Mystery Gift]], {{tc|School Kid|Schoolboy}} Alan{{sup/2|C}} ({{rt|36|Johto}})
|locrse=[[Diving Treasure Hunter]], [[Fiery Path]]
|locfrlg=[[Celadon Department Store]], [[Mt. Ember]]
|locxd=[[S.S. Libra]], [[Gateon Port]]
|locdppt=[[The Underground]], [[Fuego Ironworks]], held by [[Hayley's trades#Vulpix|Hayley's Vulpix]], [[Solaceon Ruins]]{{sup/4|Pt}}, [[Stark Mountain]]{{sup/4|Pt}}
|lochgss=[[Bill's grandfather]], {{tc|School Kid}} Alan ({{rt|36|Johto}}), [[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize, [[Pokéathlon Dome]]{{dotw|Su}}{{dotw|Tu}}{{dotw|Th}}, {{pw|Warm Beach}}
|locbw=[[Castelia City]], [[Desert Resort]], [[Black City]]{{sup/5|B}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|locb2w2=[[Lentimas Town]], [[Desert Resort]], [[Battle Subway]], [[PWT]]
|locmdrb=[[Fiery Field]]

|locmdtds=[[Wonder Mail]] reward, [[Kecleon Shop]] ([[Mystifying Forest]], [[Lake Afar]], [[Midnight Forest]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Water Stone
|jp=みずのいし
|jpt=Water Stone
|gen=I
|bag=Items
|sell=1050
|sellnotes=Main series
|sell2=1
|sellnotes2=PMD
|buyable=yes
|buy={{tt|2100|10000 at Black City}}
|effect=Causes {{p|Poliwhirl}} to evolve into {{p|Poliwrath}}. Causes {{p|Shellder}} to evolve into {{p|Cloyster}}. Causes {{p|Staryu}} to evolve into {{p|Starmie}}. Causes {{p|Eevee}} to evolve into {{p|Vaporeon}}. Causes {{p|Lombre}} to evolve into {{p|Ludicolo}}. Causes {{p|Panpour}} to evolve into {{p|Simipour}}.
|effect2=Opens a chamber in the [[Ruins of Alph]] when used{{sup/4|HGSS}} or in the bag{{sup/2|C}}.
|descstad=A stone used for making certain kinds of Pokémon evolve.
|descgsc=Evolves certain kinds of Pokémon.
|descrse=Makes certain species of Pokémon evolve.
|descfrlg=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is a clear light blue.
|descdppthgss=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is a clear, light blue.
|descbw=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is a clear, light blue.
|descmdrb=It enables certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve. Give it to the Pokémon when it's ready to evolve.
|descmdtds=A peculiar stone that holds the color of clearest blue. It allows certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve.
|descconquest=Enables certain Pokémon to evolve.
|locrby=[[Celadon Department Store]]
|locgsc=[[Bill's grandfather]], [[Mystery Gift]], {{tc|Fisherman}} Tully{{sup/2|C}} ({{rt|42|Johto}})
|locrse=[[Diving Treasure Hunter]], [[Abandoned Ship]]
|locfrlg=[[Celadon Department Store]], [[Seafoam Islands]]
|locxd=[[Phenac Stadium]], [[Gateon Port]]
|locdppt=[[The Underground]], {{rt|213|Sinnoh}}, [[Solaceon Ruins]]{{sup/4|Pt}}
|lochgss=[[Bill's grandfather]], {{tc|Fisherman|Fisher}} Tully ({{rt|42|Johto}}), [[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize, [[Seafoam Islands]], {{pw|Beyond the Sea}}, [[Pokéathlon Dome]]{{dotw|Mo}}{{dotw|Tu}}{{dotw|We}}{{dotw|Fr}}
|locbw=[[Castelia City]], [[Driftveil City]], [[Black City]]{{sup/5|B}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|locb2w2={{rt|19|Unova}}, [[Clay Tunnel]], [[Battle Subway]], [[PWT]]
|locmdrb=[[Northwind Field]]
|locmddst=[[Wondermail]] reward, [[Kecleon Shop]] ([[Mystifying Forest]], [[Lake Afar]], [[Midnight Forest]]
|locwalker={{pw|Beyond the Sea}}
}}
{{Item
|name=Thunderstone
|jp=かみなりのいし
|jpt=Thunder Stone
|gen=I
|bag=Items
|sell=1050
|sellnotes=Main series
|sell2=1
|sellnotes2=PMD
|buyable=yes
|buy={{tt|2100|10000 at Black City}}
|descstad=A stone used for making certain kinds of Pokémon evolve.
|effect=Causes {{p|Pikachu}} to evolve into {{p|Raichu}}. Causes {{p|Eevee}} to evolve into {{p|Jolteon}}. Causes {{p|Eelektrik}} to evolve into {{p|Eelektross}}.
|descgsc=Evolves certain kinds of Pokémon.
|descrse=Makes certain species of Pokémon evolve.
|descfrlg=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It has a thunderbolt pattern.
|descdppthgss=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It has a thunderbolt pattern.
|descbw=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It has a thunderbolt pattern.
|descmdrb=It enables certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve. Give it to the Pokémon when it's ready to evolve.
|descmdtds=A peculiar stone inscribed with a thunderbolt pattern. It allows certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve.
|descconquest=Enable certain Pokémon to evolve.
|locrby=[[Celadon Department Store]]
|locgsc=[[Bill's grandfather]], {{tc|Lass}} Dana{{sup/2|C}} ({{rt|38|Johto}})
|locrse=[[Diving Treasure Hunter]], [[New Mauville]]
|locfrlg=[[Celadon Department Store]], [[Power Plant]]
|locxd=[[Gateon Port]]
|locdppt=[[The Underground]], [[Sunyshore City]], [[Solaceon Ruins]]{{sup/4|Pt}}
|lochgss=[[Bill's grandfather]], {{tc|Lass}} Dana ({{rt|38|Johto}}), [[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize, [[Pokéathlon Dome]]{{dotw|We}}{{dotw|Th}}{{dotw|Sa}}
|locbw=[[Shopping Mall Nine]], [[Chargestone Cave]], [[Black City]]{{sup/5|B}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|locb2w2=[[Nimbasa City]], [[Chargestone Cave]], [[Battle Subway]], [[PWT]]
|locmdrb=[[Lightning Field]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Leaf Stone
|jp=リーフのいし
|jpt=Leaf Stone
|gen=I
|bag=Items
|sell=1050
|sellnotes=Main series
|sell2=1
|sellnotes2=PMD
|buyable=yes
|buy={{tt|2100|10000 at Black City}}{{tt|*|Main series}}
|buy2=3000{{tt|*|PMD Rescue Team}}
|descstad=A stone used for making certain kinds of Pokémon evolve.
|effect=Causes {{p|Gloom}} to evolve into {{p|Vileplume}}. Causes {{p|Weepinbell}} to evolve into {{p|Victreebel}}. Causes {{p|Exeggcute}} to evolve into {{p|Exeggutor}}. Causes {{p|Nuzleaf}} to evolve into {{p|Shiftry}}. Causes {{p|Pansage}} to evolve into {{p|Simisage}}.
|descgsc=Evolves certain kinds of Pokémon.
|descrse=Makes certain species of Pokémon evolve.
|descfrlg=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It has a leaf pattern.
|descdppthgss=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It has a leaf pattern.
|descbw=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It has a leaf pattern.
|descmdrb=It enables certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve. Give it to the Pokémon when it's ready to evolve.
|descmdtds=A peculiar stone inscribed with a leafy pattern. It allows certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve.
|descconquest=Enables certain Pokémon to evolve.
|locrby=[[Celadon Department Store]]
|locgsc=[[Bill's grandfather]], {{tc|Picnicker}} Gina{{sup/2|C}} ({{rt|34|Johto}})
|locrse=[[Diving Treasure Hunter]], {{rt|119|Hoenn}}
|locfrlg=[[Celadon Department Store]], {{safari|Kanto}}
|locxd=[[Cipher Lab]]
|locdppt=[[The Underground]], [[Floaroma Meadow]]
|lochgss=[[Viridian Forest]], [[Bill's grandfather]], {{tc|Picnicker}} Gina ({{rt|34|Johto}}), [[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize, [[Pokéathlon Dome]]{{dotw|Tu}}{{dotw|Th}}{{dotw|Sa}}
|locbw={{rt|6|Unova}}, [[Castelia City]], [[Black City]]{{sup/5|B}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|locb2w2={{rt|7|Unova}}, [[Lostlorn Forest]], [[Battle Subway]], [[PWT]]
|locmdrb=[[Wish Cave]] shops
}}
{{Item
|name=Moon Stone
|jp=つきのいし
|jpt=Moon Stone
|gen=I
|bag=Items
|sell=1050
|sellnotes=Main series
|sell2=1
|sellnotes2=PMD
|buyable=yes
|buy=10000
|effect=Causes {{p|Nidorina}} to evolve into {{p|Nidoqueen}}. Causes {{p|Nidorino}} to evolve into {{p|Nidoking}}. Causes {{p|Clefairy}} to evolve into {{p|Clefable}}. Causes {{p|Jigglypuff}} to evolve into {{p|Wigglytuff}}. Causes {{p|Skitty}} to evolve into {{p|Delcatty}}. Causes {{p|Munna}} to evolve into {{p|Musharna}}.
|descstad=A stone used for making certain kinds of Pokémon evolve.
|tcg=Moon Stone (Vending S1)
|descgsc=Evolves certain kinds of Pokémon.
|descrse=Makes certain species of Pokémon evolve.
|descfrlg=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is as black as the night sky.
|descdppthgss=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is as black as the night sky.
|descbw=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is as black as the night sky.
|descmdrb=It enables certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve. Give it to the Pokémon when it's ready to evolve.
|descmdtds=An odd stone that gleams like the moon in the evening sky. It allows certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve.
|locrby={{rt|2|Kanto}}, [[Mt. Moon]] (×2), [[Rocket Hideout]], {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}}
|locgsc=[[Tohjo Falls]], [[Ruins of Alph]]{{sup/2|C}}, [[Mt. Moon Square]]{{dotw|Mo}}
|locrse=[[Meteor Falls]], held by {{wild|Lunatone}}
|locfrlg=[[Mt. Moon]] (×2), [[Rocket Hideout]], {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}}, held by {{wild|Clefairy}}
|locdppt=[[The Underground]], held by {{wild|Lunatone}}, {{wild|Cleffa}} and {{wild|Clefairy}}
|lochgss=[[Tohjo Falls]], [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Mom]], [[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize, [[Mt. Moon Square]]{{dotw|Mo}}, {{pw|Volcano Path}}, {{pw|Night Sky's Edge}}, [[Pokéathlon Dome]]{{dotw|Mo}}{{dotw|We}}
|locbw=[[Pinwheel Forest]], [[Twist Mountain]], [[Black City]]{{sup/5|B}}, {{a|Pickup}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s, held by {{wild|Lunatone}}
|locb2w2={{rt|6|Unova}}, [[Giant Chasm]]
|locmdrb=[[Solar Cave]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Sun Stone
|jp=たいようのいし
|jpt=Sun Stone
|gen=II
|bag=Items
|sell=1050
|sellnotes=Main series
|sell2=1
|sellnotes2=PMD
|buyable=yes
|buy=10000
|effect=Causes {{p|Gloom}} to evolve into {{p|Bellossom}}. Causes {{p|Sunkern}} to evolve into {{p|Sunflora}}. Causes {{p|Cottonee}} to evolve into {{p|Whimsicott}}. Causes {{p|Petilil}} to evolve into {{p|Lilligant}}.
|descgsc=Evolves certain kinds of Pokémon.
|descrse=Makes certain species of Pokémon evolve.
|descfrlg=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is as red as the sun.
|descdppthgss=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is as red as the sun.
|descbw=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is as red as the sun.
|descmdrb=It enables certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve. Give it to the Pokémon when it's ready to evolve.
|descmdtds=An odd stone that glows with sunny warmth. It allows certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve.
|locgsc=[[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize
|locrse=[[Mossdeep City]], held by {{wild|Solrock}}
|locfrlg=[[Ruin Valley]]
|locdppt=[[The Underground]], [[Valor Lakefront]], held by {{wild|Solrock}}
|lochgss={{tc|Camper}} Tanner ({{rt|13|Kanto}}), [[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize, {{pw|Volcano Path}}, [[Pokéathlon Dome]]{{dotw|Su}}{{dotw|Mo}}{{dotw|Fr}}
|locbw=[[Nimbasa City]], [[Relic Castle]], [[Black City]]{{sup/5|B}}, {{a|Pickup}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s, held by {{wild|Solrock}}
|locb2w2=[[Nimbasa City]], [[Relic Castle]], [[Giant Chasm]], [[Pinwheel Forest]]
|locmdrb=[[Solar Cave]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Shiny Stone
|jp=ひかりのいし
|jpt=Light Stone
|gen=IV
|bag=Items
|sell=1050
|buyable=yes
|buy=10000
|effect=Causes {{p|Togetic}} to evolve into {{p|Togekiss}}. Causes {{p|Roselia}} to evolve into {{p|Roserade}}. Causes {{p|Minccino}} to evolve into {{p|Cinccino}}.
|descdppthgss=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It shines with a dazzling light.
|descbw=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It shines with a dazzling light.
|descmdtds=An odd stone that shines with dazzling light. It allows certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve.
|locdppt=[[Iron Island]], {{rt|210|Sinnoh}}, {{rt|228|Sinnoh}}, {{a|Pickup}}
|lochgss={{tc|Bird Keeper}} Josh ({{rt|14|Kanto}}), [[Pokéathlon Dome]]{{dotw|Su}}{{dotw|Mo}}{{dotw|We}}{{dotw|Th}}{{dotw|Sa}}, [[National Park]], [[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize
|locpbr=7200 [[Poké Coupon]]s
|locbw={{rt|6|Unova}}, [[Dragonspiral Tower]], [[Black City]]{{sup/5|B}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|locb2w2={{rt|6|Unova}}, [[Undella Town]], {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|sell2=1
|sellnotes2=PMD
}}
{{Item
|name=Dusk Stone
|jp=やみのいし
|jpt=Dark Stone
|gen=IV
|bag=Items
|sell=1050
|buyable=yes
|buy=10000
|effect=Causes {{p|Murkrow}} to evolve into {{p|Honchkrow}}. Causes {{p|Misdreavus}} to evolve into {{p|Mismagius}}. Causes {{p|Lampent}} to evolve into {{p|Chandelure}}.
|tcg=Murkrow (Secret Wonders 95)
|descdppthgss=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is as dark as dark can be.
|descbw=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It is as dark as dark can be.
|descmdtds=An odd stone with a mesmerizing darkness. It allows certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve.
|locdppt=[[Galactic Warehouse]], {{si|Victory Road}}, [[Wayward Cave]]{{sup/4|Pt}}, {{a|Pickup}}
|lochgss={{tc|Biker}} Reese ({{rt|17|Kanto}}), [[Pokéathlon Dome]]{{dotw|Mo}}{{dotw|Tu}}{{dotw|Th}}{{dotw|Fr}}{{dotw|Sa}}, [[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize, [[Cerulean Cave]]
|locpbr=7200 [[Poké Coupon]]s
|locbw={{rt|10|Unova}}, [[Mistralton Cave]], [[Black City]]{{sup/5|B}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|locb2w2=[[Strange House]], {{un|Pokémon League}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|sell2=1
|sellnotes2=PMD
}}
{{Item
|name=Dawn Stone
|jp=めざめいし
|jpt=Awakening Stone
|gen=IV
|bag=Items
|sell=1050
|buyable=yes
|buy=10000
|effect=Causes male {{p|Kirlia}} to evolve into {{p|Gallade}}. Causes female {{p|Snorunt}} to evolve into {{p|Froslass}}.
|descdppthgss=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It sparkles like eyes.
|descbw=A peculiar stone that makes certain species of Pokémon evolve. It sparkles like eyes.
|descmdtds=An odd stone that glints like an eye. It allows certain kinds of Pokémon to evolve.
|locdppt={{rt|212|Sinnoh}}{{sup/4|Pt}}, {{rt|225|Sinnoh}}, [[Mt. Coronet]], {{a|Pickup}}
|lochgss={{tc|Biker}} Aiden ({{rt|17|Kanto}}), [[Pokéathlon Dome]]{{dotw|Tu}}{{dotw|We}}{{dotw|Fr}}{{dotw|Sa}}, [[Bug-Catching Contest]] first prize, [[Mt. Silver]], held by {{p|Beldum|Iron}} ([[trade]] [[Steven Stone]])
|locpbr=7200 [[Poké Coupon]]s
|locbw={{rt|10|Unova}}, [[Black City]]{{sup/5|B}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|sell2=1
|sellnotes2=PMD
}}
{{Item
|name=Everstone
|jp=かわらずのいし
|jpt=Unchanging Stone
|gen=II
|bag=Items
|sell=100
|effect=If held, prevents a Pokémon from evolving, except Kadabra{{tt|*|Generation IV onwards}}.
|effect2=If held in the [[Pokémon Day Care]] by a {{tt|female Pokémon or Ditto|In Gen IV, does not work if the parent comes from a game in a different language}}, Pokémon bred will have a 50% chance of having the nature of the holder.{{sup/3|E}}{{sup/4|DPPt}} If held in the [[Pokémon Day Care]] by {{tt|either parent|In Gen IV, does not work if the parent comes from a game in a different language}}, Pokémon bred will have a 50% chance of having the nature of the holder.{{sup/4|HGSS}}{{sup/5|BW}} If held in the [[Pokémon Day Care]] by either parent, Pokémon bred will definitely have the nature of the holder.{{sup/5|B2W2}}
|descgsc=Stops evolution. (HOLD)
|descrse=A wondrous stone & a hold item that prevents evolution.
|descfrlg=An item to be held by a Pokémon. The holding Pokémon is prevented from evolving.
|descdppthgss=An item to be held by a Pokémon. The Pokémon holding this peculiar stone is prevented from evolving.
|descbw=An item to be held by a Pokémon. The Pokémon holding this peculiar stone is prevented from evolving.
|locgsc=[[Bug-Catching Contest]] second prize, [[Bill's grandfather]], held by {{wild|Geodude}} and {{wild|Graveler}}, [[Professor Elm]] after showing him the {{p|Togepi}} that hatched from the [[Mystery Egg]]
|locrse=[[Granite Cave]], {{wild|Geodude}}, {{wild|Graveler}}
|locfrlg=[[Rock Tunnel]] [[Pokémon Center]] (Oak's aide)
|locdppt=[[The Underground]], held by {{wild|Geodude}} and {{wild|Graveler}}
|lochgss=[[Bug-Catching Contest]] second prize, [[Bill's grandfather]], held by {{wild|Geodude}} and {{wild|Graveler}}, [[Professor Elm]] after showing him the {{p|Togepi}} that hatched from the [[Mystery Egg]].
|locbw=[[Castelia City]], held by {{wild|Roggenrola}}, {{wild|Boldore}}, and {{wild|Graveler}}, {{DL|Phenomenon|dust cloud}}s
|locb2w2=[[Driftveil City]]
}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Large Moon Stone.png|thumb|200px|A giant Moon Stone.]]
Evolutionary stones are showcased somewhat rarely in [[Pokémon anime|the anime]], as only a relative few Pokémon are able to evolve by using them. Despite this, they were among the earliest of items to have been showcased in the anime, appearing as early as ''[[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]'', where a rather large Moon Stone appeared deep within [[Mt. Moon]]. It was being worshipped by a group of {{p|Clefairy}} who lived there, and was soon stolen by Team Rocket and ended up being blown up. The shards from it, however, rained down on the Clefairy and caused some of them to evolve. It is also speculated in the anime that the Moon Stone was the reason why and how various Pokémon—Clefairy in particular—arrived in the Pokémon world.

The second appearance of an evolutionary stone occurred in ''[[EP014|The Electric Shock Showdown]]'', where the Thunderstone was introduced. This was likewise the first opportunity that a Pokémon belonging to a main character was given to evolve by stone. [[Ash's Pikachu]], however, refused the offer, intending to beat [[Lt. Surge]]'s {{TP|Lt. Surge|Raichu}} as a Pikachu. He kept the Thunderstone on hand, in case Pikachu ever wanted to evolve; however, in ''[[DP074|Pika and Goliath!]]'', the same scenario occurred and Pikachu still refused to evolve. Seeing his determination of not evolving, {{TRT}} stole it, planning to sell it.

The remaining Generation I evolutionary stones made their debut in ''[[EP040|The Battling Eevee Brothers]]'', as part of a collection held by the [[Eevee brothers]]. Additionally, two of the Eevee brothers offered a Fire Stone and Thunderstone to [[Brock]] and {{Ash}}, respectively, to evolve their {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}} and Pikachu, though both refused.

A forest that appeared in ''[[EP043|The March of the Exeggutor Squad]]'', was a reported hotbed of Leaf Stones, and the radiation from these stones in the forest was so strong as to induce evolution in [[Melvin]]'s {{p|Exeggcute}}, which proceeded to cause chaos by hypnotizing a horde of other Exeggutor.

A fake Leaf Stone, made by Team Rocket, appeared in ''[[EP068|Make Room for Gloom]]'', where the discovery of its nature as a fake was central to the episode.

A real Leaf Stone finally appeared at the very end of ''[[PK04|Pikachu's Rescue Adventure]]''. With it, the {{p|Exeggcute}} that had been following [[Misty's Togepi]] around evolved into {{p|Exeggutor}}.

Ash won a Sun Stone in the [[Bug-Catching Contest]] during ''[[EP161|The Bug Stops Here]]'', later using it to evolve a {{p|Sunkern}} in ''[[EP187|Moving Pictures]]''.

Fire Stones played an important role in ''[[EP190|The Stolen Stones!]]'', where they were intended to be delivered to a stadium to be used as a prize for competitors there.

Both the Leaf Stone and Sun Stone appear in ''[[EP239|Whichever Way the Wind Blows]]'' as a demonstration of the [[List of Pokémon with branched evolutions|branch]] in {{p|Gloom}}'s [[List of Pokémon by evolution family|evolutionary line]].

The Water Stone appears in ''[[AG105|Once in a Mawile]]'' and is used by Brock's Lombre to evolve into {{TP|Brock|Ludicolo}}. This is the first time that a main character's Pokémon evolves via an evolutionary stone on-screen, although it is likely that [[James's Weepinbell]] was evolved by way of a Leaf Stone prior to ''[[EP057|The Breeding Center Secret]]''.

A Moon Stone appeared in a flashback in ''[[AG060|Delcatty Got Your Tongue?]]'', evolving [[Dr. Abby]]'s Skitty into a Delcatty.

In ''[[DP122|Stopped in the Name of Love!]]'', {{an|Dawn}} gave an Everstone to her {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}} to prevent him from evolving until he wants to.

{{an|Professor Oak}} gave a Water Stone to a wild Lombre in ''[[DP139|A Faux Oak Finish!]]'', while a Dusk Stone was central to the plot of ''[[DP148|Try for the Family Stone!]]''.

[[Ursula]] used a Fire Stone and a Water Stone to evolve her two Eevee in ''[[DP174|Last Call, First Round!]]'', making them a Flareon and Vaporeon, for use in the Grand Festival.

Ash had to find a Thunderstone as part of a scavenger hunt in ''[[BW069|Climbing the Tower of Success!]]''. He came across a young man in possession of one who tried to toss it to him from a long distance. The Thunderstone nearly came in contact with Pikachu but he jumped out of the way just in time leaving Ash to catch it.

Evolutionary stones do not seem to be required for evolution in the anime as they are in the games. [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket#Victreebel|James's second Weepinbell]] evolved without a Leaf Stone in ''[[EP261|Here's Lookin' at You, Elekid]]'', though this may just be an example of [[anime physics]]. In addition, Pokémon that evolve via proximity of evolutionary stones apparently seem to control their evolutionary urges and physically touch the stone without evolving, as evidenced by Pikachu whacking away the Thunderstone when refusing to evolve the first time, as well as a Clefairy holding onto a Moon Stone for prolonged periods of time before delivering it to the larger Moon Stone without evolving.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP187|Sun Stone|Ash's Pokédex|The Sun Stone enables evolution in several Pokémon, changing Gloom into {{tt|Vileplume|anime error, supposed to be Bellossom}} and changing Sunkern into Sunflora.}}
{{Animedexfooter|original|Johto}}

===Gallery===
<gallery>
File:Fire Stone EP040.png|Pyro backed by a Fire Stone in ''[[EP040|The Battling Eevee Brothers!]]''
File:Thunderstone EP040.png|Sparky backed by a Thunderstone in ''[[EP040|The Battling Eevee Brothers!]]''
File:Water Stone EP040.png|Rainer backed by a Water Stone in ''[[EP040|The Battling Eevee Brothers!]]''
File:Water Stone DP139.png|A Water Stone in ''[[DP139|A Faux Oak Finish!]]''
File:Thunderstone DP074.png|Ash's Thunderstone in ''[[DP074|Pika and Goliath!]]''
File:Leaf Stone anime.png|A Leaf Stone in ''[[PK04|Pikachu's Rescue Adventure]]''
File:Moon Stone EP006.png|Seymour inspects a Moon Stone in ''[[EP006|Clefairy and the Moon Stone]]''
File:Sun Stone EP161.png|The Sun Stone that Ash won in ''[[EP161|The Bug Stops Here]]''
File:Dusk Stone anime.png|The Dusk Stone in ''[[DP148|Try for the Family Stone!]]''.
File:Everstone anime.png|The Everstone that Dawn gave to {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}} in ''[[DP122|Stopped in the Name of Love!]]''
</gallery>

==In the manga==
===In [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga===
In ''[[ET03|Clefairy Tale]]'', {{Ash}}, [[Professor Oak]], and [[Bill]] witness a {{p|Clefairy}} evolution ceremony involving a large Moon Stone.

The focus of the chapter ''[[ET06|To Evolve or Not to Evolve, That Is the Question!]]'' is evolutionary stones. {{an|Misty}} hopes to buy a Water Stone for her {{TP|Misty|Poliwhirl|Politoed}} in [[Stone Town]], a town on Dream Island where all the evolutionary stones in the Pokémon world come from. However, she cannot afford one, remarking that an inexpensive one might make the evolution go bad.

She is later given a Water Stone by [[Mikey]], who is being pressured to join the Knights of the "E" Stone, a club which requires members to own a Pokémon evolved by an evolutionary stone. By battling club members, {{Ash}} and Mikey prove to the leaders that Pokémon which have evolved by evolutionary stone are not necessarily superior to their unevolved counterparts.

===In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga===
In the {{chap|Red, Green & Blue}}, a Moon Stone is first mentioned by {{adv|Professor Oak}} in ''[[PS006|Gyarados Splashes In!]]'' as a rock with a crescent moon-shaped indentation that boosts a Pokémon's power immensely. In the next round, ''[[PS007|Raging Rhydon]]'', [[Team Rocket]] searches for one in [[Mt. Moon]], however it is {{adv|Red}} who finds it. Later on, Red uses this Moon Stone to evolve {{adv|Green}}'s {{p|Clefairy}} during the [[Silph Co.]] catastrophe. Additionally, [[Poli|Red's Poliwhirl]] was able to evolve into a {{p|Poliwrath}} with the help of a Water Stone when they were thrown in the water.

In the {{chap|Yellow}}, {{adv|Yellow}} finds a Leaf Stone in Vermilion Harbor in ''[[PS058|The Kindest Tentacruel]]'', but the Fire, Thunder, and Water Stones are missing. Later, it is revealed {{adv|Giovanni}} gave them to Red so he could evolve and devolve his Eevee freely.

In the {{chap|Gold, Silver & Crystal}}, {{adv|Gold}}'s [[Gold (Adventures)#Sunbo|Sunkern]] evolves into a {{p|Sunflora}} in ''[[PS172|The Last Battle VI]]'' because the sun's energy reflected off of the rocks near [[Ilex Forest]] replicated the Sun Stone's effects.

In the {{chap|Ruby & Sapphire}}, {{adv|Ruby}}'s [[Coco (Adventures)|Skitty]] evolves into a {{p|Delcatty}} in ''[[PS194|VS. Mawile]]'' due to being exposed to one of {{Steven}}'s Moon Stones.

===In the [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]] manga===
In ''[[DPA19|(Violent) Earthquake! Cyrus's Consuming Ambition!!]]'', it is revealed that [[Mitsumi]] secretly attached an Everstone to [[Hareta]]'s [[Hareta's Empoleon|Piplup]] before he started his journey. She thought Hareta would learn faster with weaker Pokémon, and removed it. Piplup immediately evolved into {{p|Prinplup}}, then into {{p|Empoleon}}.

==In the TCG==
The Moon Stone and Dusk Stone are featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] on a {{TCG|Trainer card}} and on Pokémon cards as held items. These held items work in the same fashion as Poké-Bodies, in that the effect the item provides is active whenever the Pokémon is in play. The following is a list of cards named or including Moon Stone or Dusk Stone.

{{cardlist/header|Evolutionary stone cards|Trainer|char=yes}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Vending|Moon Stone|S1}}|type=Trainer|jpsetlink=Vending Machine cards|jpset=Extended Sheet 1}}
{{cardlist/div|Pokémon cards with evolutionary stones as held items|Trainer}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Clefairy|83}}{{tt|*|Moon Stone}}|type=Colorless|enset=Secret Wonders|enrarity=Common|ennum=83/132|jpsetlink=Secret Wonders|jpset=Shining Darkness|jprarity=Common}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Murkrow|95}}{{tt|*|Dusk Stone}}|type=Darkness|enset=Secret Wonders|enrarity=Common|ennum=95/132|jpsetlink=Secret Wonders|jpset=Shining Darkness|jprarity=Common}}
{{cardlist/footer|Trainer}}

==Artwork==
These are artwork of the items as seen in the [[Pokémon Dream World]].
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{black color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{black color}}"
|- align="center"
| width="160px" style="background: #{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Fire Stone Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background: #{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Water Stone Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background: #{{electric color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Thunderstone Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background: #{{grass color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Leaf Stone Sprite.png]]
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{fire color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fire color dark}}|Fire Stone}}
| style="background: #{{water color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{water color dark}}|Water Stone}}
| style="background: #{{electric color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{electric color dark}}|Thunderstone}}
| style="background: #{{grass color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{grass color dark}}|Leaf Stone}}
|- align="center"
| width="160px" style="background: #{{normal color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Moon Stone Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background: #{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Sun Stone Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Shiny Stone Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background: #{{ghost color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Dusk Stone Sprite.png]]
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{normal color dark}}|Moon Stone}}
| style="background: #{{fire color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fire color dark}}|Sun Stone}}
| style="background: #{{yellow color}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{yellow color dark}}|Shiny Stone}}
| style="background: #{{ghost color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{ghost color dark}}|Dusk Stone}}
|- align="center"
| width="160px" style="background: #{{Day color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Dawn Stone Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background: #{{white color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Everstone Sprite.png]]
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{Day color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{Day color dark}}|Dawn Stone}}
| style="background: #{{white color dark}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{white color light}}|Everstone}}
|}{{-}}

==Trivia==
* Of all {{cat|Pokémon that evolve by evolutionary stone}}, only {{p|Eevee}} and {{p|Gloom}} can use multiple ones; together they can use any of the stones introduced before [[Generation IV]] except for the Moon Stone.
* Only four Pokémon that evolve by stone can evolve using another method: {{p|Poliwhirl}}, {{p|Eevee}}, {{p|Kirlia}}, and {{p|Snorunt}}.
* Only {{type|Grass}} Pokémon evolve using the Leaf Stone and Sun Stone, and all of the Pokémon that evolve using the Sun Stone evolve into pure Grass types.
** Simisage is the only Pokémon evolved via Leaf Stone which is not dual-typed.
* The {{DL|Evolution-inducing held item|Oval Stone}} is sometimes considered an evolutionary stone, and can even be selected to be used like one. However, unlike other evolutionary stones, the Oval Stone does not evolve any Pokémon when it is used on them. It must instead be held and the Pokémon leveled up, making it an [[evolution-inducing held item]].
* All Pokémon that evolve with the Fire Stone are in the {{egg3|Field}}, and all the Pokémon that evolve with the Sun Stone are in the {{egg3|Grass}}.
* Through {{DL|List of glitches in Generation I|Evolutionary stone glitch|a glitch}} in the Generation I games, Pokémon can be evolved without the use of a stone, provided that the player has sent out the correct Pokémon in the same battle that a Pokémon that evolves using a stone levels up.
* The Dawn Stone induces evolution in only two Pokémon species, {{p|Kirlia}} and {{p|Snorunt}}, the least of any stone.
** This also makes it currently the only stone that only evolves Pokémon introduced in a single generation, as Kirlia and Snorunt were both introduced in [[Generation III]].
** Both of them only evolve via Dawn Stone if they are a certain gender and can evolve into a different Pokémon using a different method.
** Both of the evolved forms from the Dawn Stone gain a secondary type.
** It is also the only stone not to gain a new use in [[Generation V]].
* As of [[Generation V]], the Fire Stone is the only one not used in a three-stage evolutionary line.
* The {{wp|Sunstone|Sun Stone}} and {{wp|Moonstone (gemstone)|Moon Stone}} share their names with actual {{wp|gemstones}}.
* [[Generation III]] and [[Generation V]] are the only generations where an evolutionary stone is not introduced.
** Both these generations introduced a new Pokémon to evolve with Leaf Stone, Water Stone, and Moon Stone.
* Though six Pokémon evolve with the Moon Stone, only four of them can be legitimately owned inside a {{ball|Moon}}: {{p|Skitty}} is only available in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} through [[trade]] or via [[Pokéwalker]], and {{p|Munna}} was not introduced until [[Generation V]], where the Moon Ball is not available to be used.

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Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2012-11-28T17:34:01Z

CrystalHalfBreed: /* G/S/C vs Pokemon Stadium 2 differences */

==Ratio==
> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own IDtrainer, which can be seen, and secret IDsecret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret).
Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it [[personality value#Shininess|here]].
E is the amount of ''ID'' xor ''ID2'' (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is ''(the first 16 digits)'' xor ''(the second 16 digits)''. Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny.
But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and:
- if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0
- if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)
the result is 0.
Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits.
Both IDtrainer and IDsecret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well.
Now, when we did IDtrainer xor IDsecret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny.
The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
::I put the same question at the bottom, and no reply. Does seem a good idea. I might just add it in if my self if thats okay, ecause we're probabky the only two that will do it. If anyone has any objections, please tell us or any admins give us all clear. Mabye i should re-route this a project leader?
::Don't use the below thing that I wrote, use this. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the percentage. Before the article claimed a .00012207% chance (approximately) of finding a shiny Pokemon. However, .0012207 is equal to 8/65536. To find the percentage, you have to first multiply by 100, giving approximately .012207% chance. [[User:Paranoid Trainer|Paranoid Trainer]] 17:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon Egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[SS012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ] 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]] 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD YOURE FREAKING RIGHT!!!! I was surfing on the net and then found this videos!! you gotta watch them!!! this is gonna make us all have shiny pokemon in seconds!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for mencioning that, I would never know it!! Thank you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDM6YTICYdA&feature=Responses&parent_video=cqsch18fnG4&index=1 [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]Fire echy''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]Fire echy''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
: [http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960099/57737 this guide] (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?
::It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::: Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which [[PID]]s "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered '''lots''' of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. [[User:8o8 Dark|-- 8o8 Dark]] 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:None.png|[[Little Pink]]
File:None.png|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?
: Generation II and onward, yes. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==
Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

:XD Shadow Pokemon can not be shiny, as OmegaDonut and I have found out. [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3860407&postcount=793] --[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 20:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::Okay then, only Colo ones can (which was known beforehand; there is [[List of glitches in Generation III#Shiny Shadow Pokémon glitch|a glitch]] relating to them). Thanks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
:::To top it off, I am able to explain why the Colo glitch happens. I'll edit that page later tonight with the correct explanation.--[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 20:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Kaphotics, how did you and OmegaDonut figure that out.[[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 21:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::We used emulators and our knowledge of the RNG's of the other Generations. With a lot of time, we were able to find the numbers that were used out of the stream of seeds the game goes through. XD was very fast at seed consumption (9600 seeds per second!) so the pattern was hard to find at first. I've updated the page with the correct information on why the glitch occurs, and substantiated between games. If you read more of the other posts in the thread over at Smogon you'll see how we did it :) --[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 00:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, I understand now. I'm glad I found this out before I played through XD again to get a Shiny Lugia. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 00:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

== The term "shiny" confirmed as official? ==

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about [[Masuda method]]. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu
Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Title Dispute ==
I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as [[Pink Butterfree]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

I think we ought to have a [[List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime]], in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:<s>Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth?</s> Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Don't we already have one? --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need {{tt|more|some}} Information about these Pokémon. Hell, ''I'' don't know what the Metegross from ''Noodle's: Roaming off!'' has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

I have saw a shiny {{p|Sharpedo}} on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny {{p|Bidoof}},(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== First gen. ==

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Colored vs Shiny ==

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's have a new vote. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's [[User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive10#Redirect|here]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So split it into 2 pages? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny vs. shiny ==

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for another source. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I do not understand: ''The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner.'' [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Stats ==

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences ==

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [http://www.pokewiki.de/Kecleon], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [http://www.pokewiki.de/Voltobal], Mantine is dark green [http://www.pokewiki.de/Mantax], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [http://www.pokewiki.de/Skaraborn], Staryu is green/brown [http://www.pokewiki.de/Sterndu], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:I think that's a great idea, actually. Why doesn't someone get on this? [[User:Battlebot218|Battlebot218]] 18:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::We're currently in the process of uploading all the regular and shiny boxsprites and menusprites for both Colosseum and XD, so it can be revisited once they are all uploaded. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

==Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?==
Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Nominated for FAC!!!==
Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate ! What do u think? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
: How come It wont let me edit the page that is supporting it be a featured article? [[User:Mesuxelf|[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf ]] 22:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::Because the voting stage for this period is closed. The nominated articles must now be discussed by the Editorial Board. Also, you might want to check the ''treat signature as wikitext (without automatic link)'' box in your preferences ;) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==FAC talk request==

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In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden power ==
I read on the Hidden power page that in Gen II, shiny pokemon HP types could only be dragon or grass. Could someone please insert this? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 00:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

==Manga?==
I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Well I suppose but what Shiny Pokémon appeared in the Manga other then Silver's Red Gyarados? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

Could it be argued that Kodai's Mismagius is alternately colored because of the long extensions on it's body? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 00:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== What does this mean? ==

"Pikachu-colored Pichu, however, displays a sparkle effect almost identical to that one in the games for Shiny Pokémon. " What does this mean? In like 'Get Fired Up Notched Eared Pichu' the Pikachu Colored Pichu sparkles?

== Statistical probability ==

I did some research: for fixed Trainer ID and Secret ID (mine and those of my pals) I generated up to 100'000'000 random PIDs (though I used normal RNG method, not [[Pseudo-random number generation in Pokémon|GF's one]]) and my results are following: for most TID and SID pair chance of encountering shiny {{tt|stabilizes|coverges/tends}} to approximately 0.025%, in rare cases up to 0.04%. Is it somehow worth mentioning? — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 18:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"A Shiny Zigzagoon was given to games from an interactive demo to fix the Berry Glitch. " Shouldn't this be added to the trivia on this page? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gen V Pokedex note ==

Under the header "Generations III, IV, and V", it says: ''"In Generation V, Pokémon in the Pokédex will appear Shiny if the first specimen of that Pokémon encountered is Shiny."'' This is only partly true. The Pokémon that displays on the main page of your Pokédex is, ''by default'', the first specimen that you encountered. So, for example, if you meet a male Frillish and then a female Jellicent (as I did), then you will have a blue Frillish followed by a pink Jellicent. However, you can change what Pokémon is displayed. So if it bothers you to have a blue Frillish followed by a Pink Jellicent (as it bothered me), you can fix it so both entries are pink or both entries are blue (alternately you can show off your shinies, set entries to non-shiny, etc.). Here are the steps for changing what Pokémon is displaye on the main page of your Pokédex:
1 -- Go into your Pokédex and find the Pokémon whose sprite you want to change.
2 -- Click (A). This should take you to a page where, along the bottom, there are 4 buttons that read: (INFO)(AREA)(CRY)(FORMS)
3 -- Click left on the D-pad and then (A).
4 -- If you have encountered more than 1 form of the Pokémon, then there should now be 2 sprites next to each other. If you have encountered 3 or more forms, you can press left and right to see more forms.
5 -- When you find the sprite you want to be displayed on the main page of the Pokédex, press (A) once more. This should cause the sprites to swap places.
6 -- Press (B) twice.
7 -- Marvel at your beautified Pokédex!
I'm timid about editing the page directly, but hopefully someone else will be able to use this information to decide what to do about that note.
[[User:Pdrydia|Pdrydia]] 17:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Generation III and V ==

Why there is no image of shiny encounter in these generations? I could do the one for Generation III (and even give a summary of '''legit''' Shiny Spinda, the only legit shiny I have{{tt|*|Without counting the Red Gyarados}}) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 12:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:The shiny Sandshrew appears to be a reference to TTEchidna's shiny Sandshrew in his original copy of Gold. You're welcome to supply additional images for Generation III and V; these can be put on the page as soon as possible. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Added the one for generation III (actually I uploaded it to Wikinezka about 10 months ago, I don't remember why I didn't put it here). I do not possess any of Generation V game unfortunately, also Sandshrew is ''not'' native for Unova ([[Sandslash (Pokémon)|it's evolution]] ''is''), so we need other example. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 15:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::: we should get a hacker on it. They could make a shiny sandshrew appear . [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

OR goto Relic Castle and encounter a Sandslash... It would be...
CLOSE
ENOUGH. (hope you get the reference ^-^) [[User:Dry Bones|DB]] 18:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny physiology section? ==

You know how there is a physiology section that describes each pokemons appearance, but it is only for the non-shiny version of that pokemon. Do you think that we should add a sub-section that describes the shiny for that pokemon?[[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Unobtainable Shinies ==

I was thinking that we could add a section to the page that lists all the Pokémon in each generation that can not be obtained in their shiny forms without cheating. For example, the only way to legitimately get an Arceus is through events (since the Azure Flute was never distibuted) and the event Arceus all had shiny checks so we could list Arceus under Gens 4 and 5. And if certain ones are only available shiny in certain games or under certain conditions we could put an asterisk that shows the info when you point to it. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 00:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:To be honest, I don't think it is nessisary to do this. However, since it is a wiki, you can add the section yourself. If you mess up, an admin will probably take care of it. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
**I can put asterisks on Pokemon that are not obtainable, and make a legend. Are the unobtainables the following: Celebi, Jirachi, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Reshiram, and Zekrom? Also Pichu (Spiky Eared).

Unknown for Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 04:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I can take care of it, I have an idea of how I want it to make it easy to understand. I'll get it up sometime this week. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 05:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Those last three aren't even available at all yet, so no they cannot be obtained Shiny yet, but they cannot be obtained non-Shiny either. It is impossible to tell if they will be made available Shiny yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::OK, I added the section and I think I got them all. If I didn't then someone can fix it. If you do fix it, tell me about it here because I would like to know which one I forgot because I wouldn't want to be going after it with no chance of getting it.[[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 21:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::In Japan, if you got the Old Sea Chart in Emerald you could get a Shiny Mew that way. And you could get a Shiny Celebi off of the Japanese Colosseum Bonus Disk. You could then transfer them through Pal Park and trade them to an english game, so someone help me decide if Mew and Celebi should be listed under Gen IV and V and what the * should say if we do list them. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 16:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::To answer SnorlaxMonster, yes, I specifically put unknown for those 3 because they aren't available yet. Who knows if they are given in their Shiny Forms.

Anyways, Jirachi and Celebi, to my knowledge, are available via Colosseum. They don't have the Shiny Check. [[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 21:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::::Does anyone know if the Mew from My Pokémon Ranch has a shiny check? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 22:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I looked at said article,and no. Its a trade from Haley. Therefore, no.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 22:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::: To PKMNchmp5 - If Celebi is listed under Gen IV/V Mew should be also as it's in the same boat as Celebi (only available from a third gen Japanese game). Though if it's true what someone said about Hayley mew being able to be shiny then that changes things. What would be really good to have here is an explanation of what event pokemon can/can't be shiny and why, as there's a lot of confusion on the internet about this. For example it should include answers to questions like: Can Colosseum bonus disk pokemon be shiny? What tickets have been released in what regions? Can ranch pokemon be shiny? Can 2nd/3rd/4th gen distributions be shiny?

:::::: Anyone agree? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 01:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well, if you can get a Shiny Mew and Celebi in Generation III, even if it's only in a Japanese game, you can trade it to a non-Japanese game in all games from Gen III onwards, so those don't need a note. I don't think Haley's Pokémon can be Shiny, and Shininess is visible in Ranch. For all Pokémon event distributions from Generation III onwards, a Pokémon is either always Shiny or never Shiny - it cannot randomly be either. In Generation II, where Shininess is based on IVs, I have heard that people found that each machine had a different set of IVs, meaning that they are preset. While it would be possible for a machine to distribute a Pokémon that is Shiny, I assume that they would ensure the machines do not distribute Shiny Pokémon. However, while Generation I used the same distribution method with each machine having set IVs, Shininess did not exist so it is possible that they could have unknowingly distributed future Shiny Pokémon. If anyone did get a [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in Generation I|Gen I event]] that turned out Shiny, please let us know. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

==Is shiny Mew unobtainable in Gen II?==
Couldn't you get a legit Mew from a Gen I event that just so happened to pass the shiny checks and so appears shiny when transferred to a Gen II game? I doubt they would have had shiny checks on the Mews given out back then seeing as shiny pokemon didn't exist yet. I know that chances of this happening are extremely low but I don't think it zero. I'm not sure how many Mews in Gen I were given away but surely this happened at least once somewhere around the world. Probably by some kid who never realised he owned the rarest pokemon of that generation [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 00:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:I'm pretty sure the Time Machine worked more like a trade. Besides, shininess is determined when a Pokémon is generated and a Pokémon transfered through Pal Park or the Poké Transfer don't change their shiny status so I don't think that Mew could change from normal to Shiny. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 03:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::In Generation II, Shininess is determined by {{IV}}s, so it is theoretically possible to obtain a Mew with the correct IVs randomly, and then trade it to Generation II only for it to be Shiny on its end. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Sentret Chance ==
I'm beginning to wonder if Sentret has an increased chance of being shiny in the wild. The only shiny pokemon I ever encountered in the wild (except red Gyarados) was Sentret. In Diamond I encountered it once and in Soulsilver I encountered it twice. It might just be a coincidence. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Definately just a coincidence. The only way to increase the chances of a shiny appearing is the Masuda Method and the Poké Radar. Under normal circumstances they are all 1/8192. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:30, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Emerald status screen - no star ==

Just caught my first wild shiny, a nincada. Not the best but hey?! :) when checking its shiny status it had a gold number but no star. Also the picture background was white as opposed to the normal stripy grey. Am i being really idiotic or should the article be updated? [[User:Rhadlow27|Rhadlow27]] 01:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
:Just checked this. Shiny Pokémon in Emerald do not have a star. And yes, the background is a brighter color. I will modify the article to say these things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny event-only Pokémon ==

I added this new section to inform people of how to catch the event-only Pokémon shiny, in a legit way. If anyone can improve it go ahead. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 18:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== In XD ==

Now, the game recalculates to make sure Shadow Pokémon aren't shiny, but what about at the Poké Spots? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3860407&postcount=793 this], no Pokémon caught in XD can be Shiny. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
::OmegaDonut states further down the page in response to my asking that they haven't tested Poké Spots yet, and have no intention of doing so unless they were "really, really bored". So we may have to wait a while for an answer on that one. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
:::There's unposted research regarding this, the PID is generated when the Spot Monitor goes off. It generates the PID entirely at this moment, but neither of us cared enough to research it further (We were only interested in the "unique" PID/IV creation). Since SmogonWiFi banned "RAM Hacked" Pokemon, all interest in XD/Colo abuse vanished. Thus the GC games are no longer of interest to us, "the mythbusters" [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 05:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::::k I got around to doing it, check the RNG Research thread [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4090516&postcount=888] (spoiler: starters and pokespot mons can be shiny)[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 09:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::On a related note, Pokemon used on Battle Discs can appear shiny, much like in PBR. Imagine my ire when I had a shiny Latias with no way to keep it... [[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 16:07, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, the game generates a trainer ID and PID for em. Never able to catch them so no shiny check is involved :( [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 16:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== Ranch Mew ==

The [[My Pokémon Ranch ]] page says this: "All of these Pokémon will have the OT Hayley (English) or ユカリ (Japanese) and the Trainer ID number 01000. Note that all of the Pokémon with specific natures cannot have a different nature, gender, and ability and they cannot be shiny." But this page says Ranch Mew can be shiny, which is correct?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 20:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:The Mew doesn't have a specific nature, neither does the Phione. So there's no contradictory information. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
::ah ok I misread. It seems odd that there isn't a shiny check on the Mew and Phione, has this been confirmed? {{unsigned|Jmvb}}
:::The line you quoted says that "specific nature" Pokemon cannot be shiny, which is true. A specific nature Pokemon has a static PID, which is pre-defined by the game's coding. The nature locked Pokemon cannot be shiny, and are in a sense like the nature locked Wondercards of Gen 4. {{unsigned|Kaphotics}}
:::: I understand now that the line was referring to the nature locked pokémon, and that Mew isn't a nature locked pokémon. However this doesn't mean that there isn't some other form of shiny check on the Mew (similar to the wonder card shiny check). What I'm asking is has it been '''confirmed''' that is no shiny check on the Mew and Phione? It seems odd that there wouldn't be [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 15:13, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Nope. The table is wrong, they can't be shiny. Don't know where the proof is that they can't, but knowing Nintendo (as previously explained by SnorlaxMonster in another comment thread) they probably were programmed anti-shiny.[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 05:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Does Arceus even have any Shiny sprite or just its forms depending on the plate?
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 03:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[File:Spr 5b 493 s.png|right]] Yup. Shiny Arceus has a yellow body. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

== Mantine ==

Why does the page say that a Shiny {{p|Mantine}} cannot be obtained in Generation II? Is there something weird about its IVs I don't know about? I couldn't find anything on its page. [[User:Schreiber|Schrei]][[User talk:Schreiber|ber]] 01:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:I don't really know.....the person who added it gave no reason. So I've removed it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== Percents ==

I know about those chances and such there is to encounter a shiny pokemon. But it really annoys me that the page lacks percentage. Im using the masuda method to get a shiny Oshawott. The chances to hatch a shiny is 1/1366, i know that. I dont know but it does mean theres a hich chance to meet a shiny pokemon in those 1366. I have hatched like 300 eggs now (i stopped counting after 290), how high are my chances to hatch a shiny about now? I want to know for how long i will have to do this to get a 50% chance or more.
[[User:Arceusrules|Arceusrules]] 16:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
:The chance is reset every single time. Think of it like this: flipping a heads in a normal coin is 50%; you can't increase your chances simply by doing it 20 times. The rate of flipping a heads is still 50%. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah i know but i read a bulbanews article that was about math. We wrote something about the chances. the chance for meeting a shiny wild is about 1/86xx or something. I 86xx are met and defeated there was aproxximately a 60% chance any of them was shiny. http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Crunching_the_numbers
But with the masuda method, if i have hatched 300, how big was the chanches any of them was shiny? I suggest percents like those in crunching the numbers should be here. It really bugs me to dont know how big my chances are.{{unsigned|Arceusrules}}
:Do 1-[(1365/1366)^X]=a big long decimal. Plug in the number of eggs you have hatched for X, and the percent of one of them being shiny will be the decimal times 100.
:EXAMPLE: If you hatched 300 eggs then, 1-[(1365/1366)^300]=0.19724... So you have about a 19.7% chance of hatching a shiny after 300 tries. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 22:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
::Therefore, you would need to do it 947 times to have a chance greater than 50% of getting a Shiny. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you so much!! i found a site to calculate this easier! every confused trainer out there, use this! :http://www.myalgebra.com/ [[User:Arceusrules|Arceusrules]] 14:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

== Wait. ==

You say you can't get shiny Celebi outside of events Gen III onwards? So Colosseum Disc can't give shiny? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think it can. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::We've been saying it can't be shiny for over half a year now; we debugged the generation routine -- it does not allow for shinies. [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 07:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
:::And yet WISHMKR Jirachi (from the US Bonus Disk) can? I'm a bit skeptical. I've definitely seen many believable claims of shiny WISHMKR Jirachi, though, but no such claims for Bonus Disk Celebi. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 23:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I've actually proven that WISHMKR Jirachi can be shiny by figuring out how they generate -- it's an offset in the save file that seeds a PRNG for event generation. There's no shiny check involved due to the GBA games not being pre-programmed with one. The Ageto Celebi is handled differently -- it isn't generated on the GBA like WISHMKR but is instead generated via the GameCube, which has a completely different PIDIV routine in addition to an antishiny routine built in to prevent any event shiny. Feel free to read these resources [http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?13862-Shiny-Jirachi-from-WISHMKR] [http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?p=136177#post136177] [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 05:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::So I COULD reset until I get a shiny Jirachi? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 19:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::So long as you delete the old save file or re-save. Reloading the same save file doesn't work. Then again, I've already gone and gotten all the possible shiny WISHMKR Jirachi and put them up on [http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=box&bid=3&u=kaphotics Pokécheck]. [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 15:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::::@Kaphotics: Thank you very much, that was exactly what I was looking for. I had no idea that Jirachi was generated on the GBA game but Celebi was generated on the Gamecube. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 02:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

==CHANNEL Jirachi==

Might as well mention on this talk page that CHANNEL Jirachi's generation routine prevents shinies. So that makes the only proven shiny Jirachis from WISHMKR. [http://hastebin.com/raw/pivapufequ Routine psuedocode] & [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4339385&postcount=953 Smogon RNG Research Post]; massive props to Slashmolder who did the vast majority of the work.

I believe other GBA event PID type Jirachis (negaiboshi? etc) that have GBA-(Un)Restricted or whatever could have been shiny possible because the GBA doesn't have shiny prevention; however they were probably just weeded on the distribution carts just like MYSTRY Mew (we have a save file of a MYSTRY distro cart). Enough on that tangent :) [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 08:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Shiny Coloration ==

We should have a list, like we do on the Ndex page, that shows all the shiny Pokemon so people can see what they look like.[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 18:25, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
:The NDex page uses menu sprites. Shiny Pokémon use the same menu sprites as non-Shiny Pokémon, meaning we would need to use full-size sprites. Putting that many full size sprites on the page is just rediculous. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

I heard that Kyurem cannot be shiny in the initial battle with it as Black or White Kyurem. I realize that the source (YouTube) may not be a reliable one, so can anyone try to confirm this in any way possible? Thanks! [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] ([[User Talk:KyuremsIceBlade|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|Contribs]]) 22:54, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

== G/S/C vs Pokemon Stadium 2 differences ==

So, I noticed that there are frequently (but not always) differences between pokemon shinyness in gold/silver/crystal compared to stadium 2. For example, my Shiny Eeevee is blue in both, but when it evolves into Umbreon, it's stripes turn blue in Crystal, but flash between Red and Green in Stadium.

Is there a list somewhere of all gameboy to stadium shiny differences, and if not, may I add it to the page should I ever come across such a list? It seems like it would be a good thing to know, since some players might be breeding a "shiny team" for Stadium, only to find that the color is dramatically different then they thought it was.

[[User:CrystalHalfBreed|CrystalHalfBreed]] ([[User talk:CrystalHalfBreed|talk]]) 15:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:Ultimately it is our goal to get all the Stadium models and Shiny Stadium models and include them in the sprite box on Pokémon's pages. Unfortunatley, we don't have them all at the moment so this isn't the case. As for a list of differences, many Pokémon change between sprites (particularly what changes when they are Shiny), and we don't note those because people can just look at the images; while this doesn't currently apply to Stadium/GBC sprites, I don't see it as necessary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Hm... Can you give me an example of a pokemon page that does have the stadium sprites, so I can see what you mean and maybe try to add to the number of pages with them?
[[User:CrystalHalfBreed|CrystalHalfBreed]] ([[User talk:CrystalHalfBreed|talk]]) 17:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

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==Ratio==
> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, as there is said, every trainer has his own IDtrainer, which can be seen, and secret IDsecret , which can't be seen anywhere (that's why it's called secret).
Then, Pokémon has its own personality value, which is represented by 32 bits (all of them either 1 or 0). As you can read about it [[personality value#Shininess|here]].
E is the amount of ''ID'' xor ''ID2'' (the trainer's ID and the secret ID), while F is ''(the first 16 digits)'' xor ''(the second 16 digits)''. Then if E xor F is less than 8, the Pokémonis shiny.
But what that "xor" is? Good question. Xor is a mathematical function, that will compare two numbers (it should work only in binary) and:
- if the numbers are the same (either 1/1 or 0/0), the result is 0
- if the numbers are different (either 1/0 or 0/1, what's technically teh same case)
the result is 0.
Now, the first 16 digits of personality value in binary xor the second 16 digits will logically give number with 16 digits.
Both IDtrainer and IDsecret have 16 digits, thus the result will have 16 digits as well.
Now, when we did IDtrainer xor IDsecret and got the first number with 16 digits (E) and we first 16 digits xor second 16 digits (F), we do E xor F. If the results is less than 8, the Pokémon will be shiny.
The chance of this happening is 1/8192 as said everywhere, because the highest number with 16 digits in binary is 65 535 in decimal, plus 1 one (0). As said before, "the Pokémon is shiny if the result less than 8", thus there are 8 solutions out of thos 65536 possible. 8/65 536 = 1/8192, what is approximately about 0,0001220703125%. --KingisNitro

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
::I put the same question at the bottom, and no reply. Does seem a good idea. I might just add it in if my self if thats okay, ecause we're probabky the only two that will do it. If anyone has any objections, please tell us or any admins give us all clear. Mabye i should re-route this a project leader?
::Don't use the below thing that I wrote, use this. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 02:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the percentage. Before the article claimed a .00012207% chance (approximately) of finding a shiny Pokemon. However, .0012207 is equal to 8/65536. To find the percentage, you have to first multiply by 100, giving approximately .012207% chance. [[User:Paranoid Trainer|Paranoid Trainer]] 17:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon Egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[SS012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ] 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]] 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD YOURE FREAKING RIGHT!!!! I was surfing on the net and then found this videos!! you gotta watch them!!! this is gonna make us all have shiny pokemon in seconds!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for mencioning that, I would never know it!! Thank you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDM6YTICYdA&feature=Responses&parent_video=cqsch18fnG4&index=1 [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]Fire echy''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]Fire echy''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
: [http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/960099/57737 this guide] (section G002) suggests that Legendary personality values are set when the game is started (i.e., save file created), but I'm not sure that's true. The page doesn't mention it so i'll assume it's false, but does anyone know for certain?
::It isn't. In my soulsilver, I found a shiny Ho-oh, but my game froze. When I restarted, it was normal, and I was sad. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::: Actually, when you start a new game, the game decides which [[PID]]s "are shiny". This means that there are some pre-determined PIDs that are shiny. When I checked my game (ID: 18287, SID: 31401) using Project Pokémon's PID-IV Generator, there were at least 10,000 (I gave up after that) shiny PIDs. I've been considered lucky, because I have encountered '''lots''' of shiny Pokémon (some in my old save file). I have a shiny Lugia, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Deoxys, and Shaymin. I soft reseted each one about three times each (thirty at most if I'm "unlucky"). I am going to trade my Shiny Bidoof and Shiny Bronzong when it's possible. Look for the OT Kaipo. [[User:8o8 Dark|-- 8o8 Dark]] 05:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I too used to have a red Caterpie on Crystal... [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 15:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:None.png|[[Little Pink]]
File:None.png|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?
: Generation II and onward, yes. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Colosseum and XD ==
Is it possible for the pokemon you snag in Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD to be Shiny? If so, how is it indicated on the status screen and when they are released. I was so convinced my Growlithe in XD was shiny but it was just a light color and ultraballs give yellow goldy orange stars when they are released... it really bummed me out because I thought it was the first shiny I have ever seen and Owned... -- [[User:D558|D558]] 00:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If it is shiny then the text in it summary should be yellow instead of white, there will also be a short animation after being sent into battle. It should also be noted on this page that some shiny pokemon are completely different than in the main games, for example I have a shiny Heracross that is blue with darker coloured eyes & a pink stomach as opposed to main games shiny Heracross which are pink all over with normal eyes, Voltorb is also a different, being very very dark blue (almost black) with a light blue base, while shiny Electrode is no different to those in the main games. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Also I thought I should add that Shadow Lugia & Bonsly do not have shiny forms in XD, if they are made to be shiny with cheats or that 1 in 1000000 chance of being shiny they will still have the shiny animation but they will not appear any different & their battle pictures & box sprites & purification set animations will be the same, though Shadow Lugia will become appear shiny when purified. While Munchlax can be hacked, it dosent have any of the above in its regular or shiny form & the game will crash if sent into battle.

:XD Shadow Pokemon can not be shiny, as OmegaDonut and I have found out. [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3860407&postcount=793] --[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 20:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::Okay then, only Colo ones can (which was known beforehand; there is [[List of glitches in Generation III#Shiny Shadow Pokémon glitch|a glitch]] relating to them). Thanks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
:::To top it off, I am able to explain why the Colo glitch happens. I'll edit that page later tonight with the correct explanation.--[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 20:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Kaphotics, how did you and OmegaDonut figure that out.[[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 21:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::We used emulators and our knowledge of the RNG's of the other Generations. With a lot of time, we were able to find the numbers that were used out of the stream of seeds the game goes through. XD was very fast at seed consumption (9600 seeds per second!) so the pattern was hard to find at first. I've updated the page with the correct information on why the glitch occurs, and substantiated between games. If you read more of the other posts in the thread over at Smogon you'll see how we did it :) --[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 00:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, I understand now. I'm glad I found this out before I played through XD again to get a Shiny Lugia. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 00:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

== The term "shiny" confirmed as official? ==

The GTS tutorial at http://www.pokemon-gts.net/gtstutorial/en-US/ has a page about [[Masuda method]]. This page refers to Shiny Pokémon - is this the first time an official English source uses this term? (Go to Trading Pokémon over GTS, then GTS features, then page 5 to see the reference.) '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, I don't have a clue when that tutorial thingie came first there, but I'm absolutely sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. Had to go to check if they had anything interesting there :D '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::Pokémon.com's mailbag's used the term more than once. It would seem that if Shiny Pokémon is a fan tern, it's one that Nintendo recognizes, which is rare. I think the term is official. Shall I move the page to "Shiny Pokémon"? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd vote for moving the page, though I don't know if the page move should go first through an admin (since this is a fairly often-linked page, over 500 pages link here). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The way I see it, while we fix the links, the current page is gonna be a redirect anyway. I don't see why not, official websites have used the term, so.... Yeah, I'll move the page. If it gets reverted, then we'll leave it. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, are the usages of "shiny" in the Mailbag in the questions only, or do they appear in the answers as well? If it's the former, then the page should absolutely NOT be moved from "alternate coloration". As far as I can tell, "alternate coloration" is indeed the official terminology, and there's very little that would say otherwise. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I don't know about those, but the GTS tutorial, which I believe to be official Nintendo material, uses the term "shiny", and that was the sole point of my original question whether that should be considered official. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::About the mailbag, it was the answers that used the term. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. The URL of the ad for the Pikachu-colored Pichu promotion contains the word "shiny": http://www.pokemon.com/us/special/shiny_pichu
Also, check out "The Prima guides" section of this talk page. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Title Dispute ==
I disagree with the move for one reason: shiny is only focusing on shiny Pokemon. Alternate coloration can imply any other colors of Pokemon such as [[Pink Butterfree]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

I think we ought to have a [[List of Shiny Pokémon in the anime]], in which we can go more in-depth on them than we do in this article. What say you people? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:<s>Missingno. Master, I agree with you, but we have a section about it. And if we were to add such a page, Do you have any idea how small It would be? And how could we get more in depth?</s> Tought it through and Sounds like a good idea to me. :D [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 00:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::Don't we already have one? --[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::No, but we have a section, on the page. We do need {{tt|more|some}} Information about these Pokémon. Hell, ''I'' don't know what the Metegross from ''Noodle's: Roaming off!'' has to do with the storyline at all. Besides, the page doesn't even have a bit of info about these Pokémon at all. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Exactly the reason I suggested this. Editing the information on them into the page would make it even bigger than it is. In fact, I think I might start on this page right now. Well, actually, not yet. Perhaps tomorrow... [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

I have saw a shiny {{p|Sharpedo}} on the GTS before.Also,I caught a shiny {{p|Bidoof}},(I didn`t use Action Replay when i caught it).I have a big question,If I have a male shiny and a regular female,what would be the odds that the offspring is shiny.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 12:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:The odds are the same in Generations III and IV. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::The odds wouldn't change, even if the parents are both shiny. The chances of gettin a shiny egg are the same as findin one in the wild. Unless, of course, your usin Platinum. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just remembered about the Masuda Method. If that Sharpedo is foreign or breeds with a foreign Pokémon, the odds will decrease in Generation IV. And what do you mean about using Platinum ShinyPikachu? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 17:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::Look on Plt's page. See where it mentions about the PRNG (pesudo-random number generator) being "broken' making it easier to breed shiny Pokémon? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== First gen. ==

I heard if you trade a Pokemon from a first generation game to a second generation game, or transfer a Pokemon from a first generation game to Stadium 2, they might appear as shiny. That's true, right, due to shininess being attributed to IVs? On an unrelated side note, Jigglypuffs "straw hat"..Isn't that Leaf's hat? I don't own Brawl, so I wouldn't know, but I heard it is. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes and yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Colored vs Shiny ==

Maybe we should just have a separate page for color variations that are in the anime that don't correspond to "shininess"? It's implied, IIRC, that pokemon come in a range of colors in the anime, such as the Orange Islands pokemon. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 15:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:This page was once known as alternate coloration, which included all of this. Would it be reasonable to revert the move? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::It should be... but when Missingno Master (I believe) moved it, all users decided that everything should be that way and thus changed all the links... we could undo and what not if we can find the changes. However, I think an admin would need to confirm this. Missingno Master approved of reverting the move, so... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's have a new vote. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think it's necessary though... just as I said before, Missingno Master moved it, and then agreed to what I said. It's [[User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive10#Redirect|here]]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::So split it into 2 pages? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different matter, now isn't it? Personally, I think that the second page is necessary I guess... I mean, we have a link to alternately colored Pokémon in the anime. It seems a tad bit out of place. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: MM said "Yeah, that's true. Maybe make another page for Pokémon that are oddly colored, but not shiny" so isn't that the same matter? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Subpage then? Shiny is considered alternate-colored I guess... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::So these are the situations: 1. move back 2. split into 2 pages or make subpage out of shiny 3. Remove all alternate coloration references that aren't shiny in the page. I think 1 is the best as shiny is alternate coloration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Shininess is, IMO, a cause of alternate coloration - as opposed to, say, natural variation or berries, which are both anime-only. [[User:Yamikuronue|Yamikuronue]] 23:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny vs. shiny ==

VGC website uses "Shiny", but should we? It just seems... odd. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:TTE, what about Spiky? Are we still deciding whether it's -eared or -Eared? I mean, it's up to you, but we've been used to the former for a while. Same scenario here as well. I say revert though for both. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think we should wait for another source. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's the thing. We have so many sources even within the Pokémon.com system which has different spellings. It's up to us to decide in a sense. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh. I'm gonna have to go with shiny. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just sent TPCi an e-mail asking about this.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I do not understand: ''The Pokédex, when checked through the menu, never shows shiny variants of a Pokémon... However, if a Pokémon is first caught with an alternate color, the Pokédex entry that comes after the catch will show the Pokémon with its alternate colors in the corner.'' [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it may refer to a certain Pokédex, but I don't get it either. [[User:Swampert Man|Swampert Man]][[User talk:Swampert Man|''Swampert'']] [[Special:Contributions/Swampert Man|''is Awesome!'']] 03:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It means that if you manually look up the entry it will show the normal colouration, whether you have seen the normal colours or not. However if the first one you see is shiny and you catch it, then the entry that is automatically displayed will show the shiny sprite. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't seem to be the case when traded though, right? Just clarifying here, what with the event Pichu I received. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I haven't got around to transfering PCP over yet. I just remember seeing someone explain it somewhere. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Stats ==

I've heard plenty of myths and talk saying a shiny Pokémon is stronger than a regular Pokémon of the same species. For example, a shiny Zubat will have higher stats than a regular Zubat of the same level, nature, EV's and IV's etc. Is this true? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. The reason this myth came about was because in generation II a shiny Pokémon had to have specific IVs, which were better than average, although still not brilliant. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Colosseum/XD Shiny Differences ==

I found a german website which shows the differences between Shiny Pokemon in Col/XD & the normal games, for example shiny Kecleon in the main games look no different except for having a blue stripe, but the Col/XD ones are yellow with light blue markings [http://www.pokewiki.de/Kecleon], Voltorb is very very dark blue, almost black [http://www.pokewiki.de/Voltobal], Mantine is dark green [http://www.pokewiki.de/Mantax], Heracross is blue & pink with darker eyes [http://www.pokewiki.de/Skaraborn], Staryu is green/brown [http://www.pokewiki.de/Sterndu], etc. shouldnt this be added either to this page or to the pages of each Pokemon? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:I think that's a great idea, actually. Why doesn't someone get on this? [[User:Battlebot218|Battlebot218]] 18:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::We're currently in the process of uploading all the regular and shiny boxsprites and menusprites for both Colosseum and XD, so it can be revisited once they are all uploaded. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

==Abra Cadabra Alakazam... Shiny?==
Hey if u catch a legit shiny abra or someone with synchronize, will that make more pokemon u see shiny? Does having Synchronize increase chances of shinies? My bro got Shiny mew (would he affect anything?) on GTS and found a legit one in the safari zone, he is so lucky. Does walking one make a lesser or higher chance? Is there really a way to find shinies due to your id no? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Having a Shiny Pokémon with Synchronize does not affect the encounter rate of other Shiny Pokémon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Nominated for FAC!!!==
Hey! I made this article a Featured Article Nominee! U can discuss this at http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Shiny_Pok%C3%A9mon/Featured_article_candidate ! What do u think? ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 11:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
: How come It wont let me edit the page that is supporting it be a featured article? [[User:Mesuxelf|[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesprit]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|Uxie]], [[User:Mesuxelf|Azelf]]. Mesuxelf ]] 22:53, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::Because the voting stage for this period is closed. The nominated articles must now be discussed by the Editorial Board. Also, you might want to check the ''treat signature as wikitext (without automatic link)'' box in your preferences ;) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==FAC talk request==

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In the FAC talk it was requested for some kind of random Shiny Pokémon template. While I don't know if the idea is good, here is an example of what it would look like. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden power ==
I read on the Hidden power page that in Gen II, shiny pokemon HP types could only be dragon or grass. Could someone please insert this? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 00:52, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

==Manga?==
I can't be the only one who has noticed this so I thought I would ask why there is no manga section in this article. This article is incoplete, yet it is a nominee for a featured article. Is there a reason that the manga has not been added?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 16:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, this is one of my main objections against featuring this article. There should be a manga section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, if someone could add one (though there isn't much mention of shinyness in the magna), that would be useful, though i doubt we need one, due to them being so uncommon in the magna.----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 09:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Well I suppose but what Shiny Pokémon appeared in the Manga other then Silver's Red Gyarados? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Mismagius ==

Could it be argued that Kodai's Mismagius is alternately colored because of the long extensions on it's body? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 00:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== What does this mean? ==

"Pikachu-colored Pichu, however, displays a sparkle effect almost identical to that one in the games for Shiny Pokémon. " What does this mean? In like 'Get Fired Up Notched Eared Pichu' the Pikachu Colored Pichu sparkles?

== Statistical probability ==

I did some research: for fixed Trainer ID and Secret ID (mine and those of my pals) I generated up to 100'000'000 random PIDs (though I used normal RNG method, not [[Pseudo-random number generation in Pokémon|GF's one]]) and my results are following: for most TID and SID pair chance of encountering shiny {{tt|stabilizes|coverges/tends}} to approximately 0.025%, in rare cases up to 0.04%. Is it somehow worth mentioning? — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 18:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"A Shiny Zigzagoon was given to games from an interactive demo to fix the Berry Glitch. " Shouldn't this be added to the trivia on this page? [[User:Mr.Char|Mr.Char]] 23:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gen V Pokedex note ==

Under the header "Generations III, IV, and V", it says: ''"In Generation V, Pokémon in the Pokédex will appear Shiny if the first specimen of that Pokémon encountered is Shiny."'' This is only partly true. The Pokémon that displays on the main page of your Pokédex is, ''by default'', the first specimen that you encountered. So, for example, if you meet a male Frillish and then a female Jellicent (as I did), then you will have a blue Frillish followed by a pink Jellicent. However, you can change what Pokémon is displayed. So if it bothers you to have a blue Frillish followed by a Pink Jellicent (as it bothered me), you can fix it so both entries are pink or both entries are blue (alternately you can show off your shinies, set entries to non-shiny, etc.). Here are the steps for changing what Pokémon is displaye on the main page of your Pokédex:
1 -- Go into your Pokédex and find the Pokémon whose sprite you want to change.
2 -- Click (A). This should take you to a page where, along the bottom, there are 4 buttons that read: (INFO)(AREA)(CRY)(FORMS)
3 -- Click left on the D-pad and then (A).
4 -- If you have encountered more than 1 form of the Pokémon, then there should now be 2 sprites next to each other. If you have encountered 3 or more forms, you can press left and right to see more forms.
5 -- When you find the sprite you want to be displayed on the main page of the Pokédex, press (A) once more. This should cause the sprites to swap places.
6 -- Press (B) twice.
7 -- Marvel at your beautified Pokédex!
I'm timid about editing the page directly, but hopefully someone else will be able to use this information to decide what to do about that note.
[[User:Pdrydia|Pdrydia]] 17:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Generation III and V ==

Why there is no image of shiny encounter in these generations? I could do the one for Generation III (and even give a summary of '''legit''' Shiny Spinda, the only legit shiny I have{{tt|*|Without counting the Red Gyarados}}) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 12:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:The shiny Sandshrew appears to be a reference to TTEchidna's shiny Sandshrew in his original copy of Gold. You're welcome to supply additional images for Generation III and V; these can be put on the page as soon as possible. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Added the one for generation III (actually I uploaded it to Wikinezka about 10 months ago, I don't remember why I didn't put it here). I do not possess any of Generation V game unfortunately, also Sandshrew is ''not'' native for Unova ([[Sandslash (Pokémon)|it's evolution]] ''is''), so we need other example. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 15:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::: we should get a hacker on it. They could make a shiny sandshrew appear . [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

OR goto Relic Castle and encounter a Sandslash... It would be...
CLOSE
ENOUGH. (hope you get the reference ^-^) [[User:Dry Bones|DB]] 18:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny physiology section? ==

You know how there is a physiology section that describes each pokemons appearance, but it is only for the non-shiny version of that pokemon. Do you think that we should add a sub-section that describes the shiny for that pokemon?[[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

== Unobtainable Shinies ==

I was thinking that we could add a section to the page that lists all the Pokémon in each generation that can not be obtained in their shiny forms without cheating. For example, the only way to legitimately get an Arceus is through events (since the Azure Flute was never distibuted) and the event Arceus all had shiny checks so we could list Arceus under Gens 4 and 5. And if certain ones are only available shiny in certain games or under certain conditions we could put an asterisk that shows the info when you point to it. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 00:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
:To be honest, I don't think it is nessisary to do this. However, since it is a wiki, you can add the section yourself. If you mess up, an admin will probably take care of it. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
**I can put asterisks on Pokemon that are not obtainable, and make a legend. Are the unobtainables the following: Celebi, Jirachi, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Reshiram, and Zekrom? Also Pichu (Spiky Eared).

Unknown for Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 04:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I can take care of it, I have an idea of how I want it to make it easy to understand. I'll get it up sometime this week. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 05:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Those last three aren't even available at all yet, so no they cannot be obtained Shiny yet, but they cannot be obtained non-Shiny either. It is impossible to tell if they will be made available Shiny yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::OK, I added the section and I think I got them all. If I didn't then someone can fix it. If you do fix it, tell me about it here because I would like to know which one I forgot because I wouldn't want to be going after it with no chance of getting it.[[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 21:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::In Japan, if you got the Old Sea Chart in Emerald you could get a Shiny Mew that way. And you could get a Shiny Celebi off of the Japanese Colosseum Bonus Disk. You could then transfer them through Pal Park and trade them to an english game, so someone help me decide if Mew and Celebi should be listed under Gen IV and V and what the * should say if we do list them. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 16:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::To answer SnorlaxMonster, yes, I specifically put unknown for those 3 because they aren't available yet. Who knows if they are given in their Shiny Forms.

Anyways, Jirachi and Celebi, to my knowledge, are available via Colosseum. They don't have the Shiny Check. [[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 21:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::::Does anyone know if the Mew from My Pokémon Ranch has a shiny check? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 22:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I looked at said article,and no. Its a trade from Haley. Therefore, no.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 22:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::: To PKMNchmp5 - If Celebi is listed under Gen IV/V Mew should be also as it's in the same boat as Celebi (only available from a third gen Japanese game). Though if it's true what someone said about Hayley mew being able to be shiny then that changes things. What would be really good to have here is an explanation of what event pokemon can/can't be shiny and why, as there's a lot of confusion on the internet about this. For example it should include answers to questions like: Can Colosseum bonus disk pokemon be shiny? What tickets have been released in what regions? Can ranch pokemon be shiny? Can 2nd/3rd/4th gen distributions be shiny?

:::::: Anyone agree? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 01:05, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Well, if you can get a Shiny Mew and Celebi in Generation III, even if it's only in a Japanese game, you can trade it to a non-Japanese game in all games from Gen III onwards, so those don't need a note. I don't think Haley's Pokémon can be Shiny, and Shininess is visible in Ranch. For all Pokémon event distributions from Generation III onwards, a Pokémon is either always Shiny or never Shiny - it cannot randomly be either. In Generation II, where Shininess is based on IVs, I have heard that people found that each machine had a different set of IVs, meaning that they are preset. While it would be possible for a machine to distribute a Pokémon that is Shiny, I assume that they would ensure the machines do not distribute Shiny Pokémon. However, while Generation I used the same distribution method with each machine having set IVs, Shininess did not exist so it is possible that they could have unknowingly distributed future Shiny Pokémon. If anyone did get a [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in Generation I|Gen I event]] that turned out Shiny, please let us know. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

==Is shiny Mew unobtainable in Gen II?==
Couldn't you get a legit Mew from a Gen I event that just so happened to pass the shiny checks and so appears shiny when transferred to a Gen II game? I doubt they would have had shiny checks on the Mews given out back then seeing as shiny pokemon didn't exist yet. I know that chances of this happening are extremely low but I don't think it zero. I'm not sure how many Mews in Gen I were given away but surely this happened at least once somewhere around the world. Probably by some kid who never realised he owned the rarest pokemon of that generation [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 00:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:I'm pretty sure the Time Machine worked more like a trade. Besides, shininess is determined when a Pokémon is generated and a Pokémon transfered through Pal Park or the Poké Transfer don't change their shiny status so I don't think that Mew could change from normal to Shiny. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 03:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::In Generation II, Shininess is determined by {{IV}}s, so it is theoretically possible to obtain a Mew with the correct IVs randomly, and then trade it to Generation II only for it to be Shiny on its end. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Sentret Chance ==
I'm beginning to wonder if Sentret has an increased chance of being shiny in the wild. The only shiny pokemon I ever encountered in the wild (except red Gyarados) was Sentret. In Diamond I encountered it once and in Soulsilver I encountered it twice. It might just be a coincidence. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:Definately just a coincidence. The only way to increase the chances of a shiny appearing is the Masuda Method and the Poké Radar. Under normal circumstances they are all 1/8192. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:30, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Emerald status screen - no star ==

Just caught my first wild shiny, a nincada. Not the best but hey?! :) when checking its shiny status it had a gold number but no star. Also the picture background was white as opposed to the normal stripy grey. Am i being really idiotic or should the article be updated? [[User:Rhadlow27|Rhadlow27]] 01:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
:Just checked this. Shiny Pokémon in Emerald do not have a star. And yes, the background is a brighter color. I will modify the article to say these things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny event-only Pokémon ==

I added this new section to inform people of how to catch the event-only Pokémon shiny, in a legit way. If anyone can improve it go ahead. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 18:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== In XD ==

Now, the game recalculates to make sure Shadow Pokémon aren't shiny, but what about at the Poké Spots? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3860407&postcount=793 this], no Pokémon caught in XD can be Shiny. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
::OmegaDonut states further down the page in response to my asking that they haven't tested Poké Spots yet, and have no intention of doing so unless they were "really, really bored". So we may have to wait a while for an answer on that one. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
:::There's unposted research regarding this, the PID is generated when the Spot Monitor goes off. It generates the PID entirely at this moment, but neither of us cared enough to research it further (We were only interested in the "unique" PID/IV creation). Since SmogonWiFi banned "RAM Hacked" Pokemon, all interest in XD/Colo abuse vanished. Thus the GC games are no longer of interest to us, "the mythbusters" [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 05:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::::k I got around to doing it, check the RNG Research thread [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4090516&postcount=888] (spoiler: starters and pokespot mons can be shiny)[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 09:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::On a related note, Pokemon used on Battle Discs can appear shiny, much like in PBR. Imagine my ire when I had a shiny Latias with no way to keep it... [[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 16:07, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, the game generates a trainer ID and PID for em. Never able to catch them so no shiny check is involved :( [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 16:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== Ranch Mew ==

The [[My Pokémon Ranch ]] page says this: "All of these Pokémon will have the OT Hayley (English) or ユカリ (Japanese) and the Trainer ID number 01000. Note that all of the Pokémon with specific natures cannot have a different nature, gender, and ability and they cannot be shiny." But this page says Ranch Mew can be shiny, which is correct?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 20:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
:The Mew doesn't have a specific nature, neither does the Phione. So there's no contradictory information. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
::ah ok I misread. It seems odd that there isn't a shiny check on the Mew and Phione, has this been confirmed? {{unsigned|Jmvb}}
:::The line you quoted says that "specific nature" Pokemon cannot be shiny, which is true. A specific nature Pokemon has a static PID, which is pre-defined by the game's coding. The nature locked Pokemon cannot be shiny, and are in a sense like the nature locked Wondercards of Gen 4. {{unsigned|Kaphotics}}
:::: I understand now that the line was referring to the nature locked pokémon, and that Mew isn't a nature locked pokémon. However this doesn't mean that there isn't some other form of shiny check on the Mew (similar to the wonder card shiny check). What I'm asking is has it been '''confirmed''' that is no shiny check on the Mew and Phione? It seems odd that there wouldn't be [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 15:13, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Nope. The table is wrong, they can't be shiny. Don't know where the proof is that they can't, but knowing Nintendo (as previously explained by SnorlaxMonster in another comment thread) they probably were programmed anti-shiny.[[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 05:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Does Arceus even have any Shiny sprite or just its forms depending on the plate?
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 03:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[File:Spr 5b 493 s.png|left]] Yup. Shiny Arceus has a yellow body. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

== Mantine ==

Why does the page say that a Shiny {{p|Mantine}} cannot be obtained in Generation II? Is there something weird about its IVs I don't know about? I couldn't find anything on its page. [[User:Schreiber|Schrei]][[User talk:Schreiber|ber]] 01:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:I don't really know.....the person who added it gave no reason. So I've removed it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:43, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== Percents ==

I know about those chances and such there is to encounter a shiny pokemon. But it really annoys me that the page lacks percentage. Im using the masuda method to get a shiny Oshawott. The chances to hatch a shiny is 1/1366, i know that. I dont know but it does mean theres a hich chance to meet a shiny pokemon in those 1366. I have hatched like 300 eggs now (i stopped counting after 290), how high are my chances to hatch a shiny about now? I want to know for how long i will have to do this to get a 50% chance or more.
[[User:Arceusrules|Arceusrules]] 16:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
:The chance is reset every single time. Think of it like this: flipping a heads in a normal coin is 50%; you can't increase your chances simply by doing it 20 times. The rate of flipping a heads is still 50%. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah i know but i read a bulbanews article that was about math. We wrote something about the chances. the chance for meeting a shiny wild is about 1/86xx or something. I 86xx are met and defeated there was aproxximately a 60% chance any of them was shiny. http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Crunching_the_numbers
But with the masuda method, if i have hatched 300, how big was the chanches any of them was shiny? I suggest percents like those in crunching the numbers should be here. It really bugs me to dont know how big my chances are.{{unsigned|Arceusrules}}
:Do 1-[(1365/1366)^X]=a big long decimal. Plug in the number of eggs you have hatched for X, and the percent of one of them being shiny will be the decimal times 100.
:EXAMPLE: If you hatched 300 eggs then, 1-[(1365/1366)^300]=0.19724... So you have about a 19.7% chance of hatching a shiny after 300 tries. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 22:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
::Therefore, you would need to do it 947 times to have a chance greater than 50% of getting a Shiny. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you so much!! i found a site to calculate this easier! every confused trainer out there, use this! :http://www.myalgebra.com/ [[User:Arceusrules|Arceusrules]] 14:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

== Wait. ==

You say you can't get shiny Celebi outside of events Gen III onwards? So Colosseum Disc can't give shiny? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 20:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think it can. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::We've been saying it can't be shiny for over half a year now; we debugged the generation routine -- it does not allow for shinies. [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 07:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
:::And yet WISHMKR Jirachi (from the US Bonus Disk) can? I'm a bit skeptical. I've definitely seen many believable claims of shiny WISHMKR Jirachi, though, but no such claims for Bonus Disk Celebi. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 23:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I've actually proven that WISHMKR Jirachi can be shiny by figuring out how they generate -- it's an offset in the save file that seeds a PRNG for event generation. There's no shiny check involved due to the GBA games not being pre-programmed with one. The Ageto Celebi is handled differently -- it isn't generated on the GBA like WISHMKR but is instead generated via the GameCube, which has a completely different PIDIV routine in addition to an antishiny routine built in to prevent any event shiny. Feel free to read these resources [http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?13862-Shiny-Jirachi-from-WISHMKR] [http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?p=136177#post136177] [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 05:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::So I COULD reset until I get a shiny Jirachi? [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 19:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::So long as you delete the old save file or re-save. Reloading the same save file doesn't work. Then again, I've already gone and gotten all the possible shiny WISHMKR Jirachi and put them up on [http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=box&bid=3&u=kaphotics Pokécheck]. [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] 15:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::::@Kaphotics: Thank you very much, that was exactly what I was looking for. I had no idea that Jirachi was generated on the GBA game but Celebi was generated on the Gamecube. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 02:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

==CHANNEL Jirachi==

Might as well mention on this talk page that CHANNEL Jirachi's generation routine prevents shinies. So that makes the only proven shiny Jirachis from WISHMKR. [http://hastebin.com/raw/pivapufequ Routine psuedocode] & [http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4339385&postcount=953 Smogon RNG Research Post]; massive props to Slashmolder who did the vast majority of the work.

I believe other GBA event PID type Jirachis (negaiboshi? etc) that have GBA-(Un)Restricted or whatever could have been shiny possible because the GBA doesn't have shiny prevention; however they were probably just weeded on the distribution carts just like MYSTRY Mew (we have a save file of a MYSTRY distro cart). Enough on that tangent :) [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 08:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Shiny Coloration ==

We should have a list, like we do on the Ndex page, that shows all the shiny Pokemon so people can see what they look like.[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 18:25, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

I heard that Kyurem cannot be shiny in the initial battle with it as Black or White Kyurem. I realize that the source (YouTube) may not be a reliable one, so can anyone try to confirm this in any way possible? Thanks! [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] ([[User Talk:KyuremsIceBlade|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|Contribs]]) 22:54, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

== G/S/C vs Pokemon Stadium 2 differences ==

So, I noticed that there are frequently (but not always) differences between pokemon shinyness in gold/silver/crystal compared to stadium 2. For example, my Shiny Eeevee is blue in both, but when it evolves into Umbreon, it's stripes turn blue in Crystal, but flash between Red and Green in Stadium.

Is there a list somewhere of all gameboy to stadium shiny differences, and if not, may I add it to the page should I ever come across such a list? It seems like it would be a good thing to know, since some players might be breeding a "shiny team" for Stadium, only to find that the color is dramatically different then they thought it was.

[[User:CrystalHalfBreed|CrystalHalfBreed]] ([[User talk:CrystalHalfBreed|talk]]) 15:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)