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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to THIS website, Orre is also a main series region. So yeah, it's wrong. You should change it, unless you're cool with giving people false information.{{unsigned|Tokeupdude}}
:: Orre isn't a Main series region, it is a spin-off region. As listed in the template below the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
:Then how come when you look up any Pokemon's game locations Colosseum and XD are listed under the main games section and not side games? For example, I'm looking at Fearow's page right now and both Colosseum and XD are under main games Gen 3. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::Nevermind! Orre is a side-region to the main series and the others are "spin-off" regions. I get it now ;) [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Should This be add this in the trivia?
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::I meant in Games.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As Solar Dragon said, Kanto and Johto don't have contests in the games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, and Orre and the Sevii Islands haven't been seen in the anime so they don't have contests in either canon. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Only region outside of Japan? ==
:"Unova is the only main series region to be based on a real-world region outside of Japan."
What? Are we forgetting about Orre, based on Phoenix, Arizona? --[[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's on side series now. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::The [[Battle Zone]] in Sinnoh is based on Russia, and it is referred to in game as a region (or sub-region, like the Sevii's). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@Ataro I think one of the problems is that Colosseum and XD are still listed as main series games on the game template. If it is side series now the template needs to be changed accordingly. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::The bulk of the region is still based on Japan, ALL of UNOVA is not. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes that's nice, but what about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Main_series the template?]. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::First, don't be rude. Second, it was already stated that it hasn't been changed yet. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but when was that stated that it hasn't been changed yet? There was no response to the initial question I brought up. At least not on this talkpage. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::About that template, if Colosseum and XD are moved or removed because they are side series, then the same will have to be done for Stadium, Box, Ranch, ect. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Then those should be removed as well. They are not main series games and it's very misleading for them to be listed on the template. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== another trivia? ==

unova does not have any pokemon blocking the player's progress. kanto has snorlax, johto has sudowoodo, hoenn has wailmer (blocking lilycove city preventing the player from surfing) and sinnoh has psyduck blocking the road due to headache. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I think that's worth adding. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 Coro Coro Leaks ==

Is it worth adding a section for Hiougi City yet?

Also, the information about Unova being covered in ice is not confirmed; translations seem to suggest that it is the map covered in ice a la the clouds covering the initial Unova reveal, rather than the region itself being covered. [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 20:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren
:Until further information is revealed, the admin team have decided to crackdown on speculation until more information is discovered. Thus the protection on a number of pages. Sort of related to the clouds, like you mentioned. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 ==

May an administrator please add in the intro paragraph that it is also the setting of Black and White 2? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 18:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Image label ==

Could an admin add that the picture in the info box is for Black 2/white 2 to clear confusion up? If it's not necessary, fine.[[User:Bulbasect|Bulbasect]] 13:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The Ice layer ==

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but are we certain the ice actually covers the land, and doesn't simply obscure our view of a secret? --[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
:No, we are not certain. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== Remove ice covering speculation ==

May an administrator please remove the part about the ice actually covering the region in the Between Pokemon Black and White and Black and White 2 paragraph. That's speculation. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:Hello? Can an administrator please remove that speculation? It's really not supposed to be there. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 23:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Issue ==

The trivia section states that "Unova is the only region without an actual or former Rock-type Gym." However, Johto did not have one either, though its neighbor, Kanto, did. I thought it'd be better to bring it up here rather than edit it out because there may be a reason for having that in the article that I am unaware of...or something like that. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 20:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

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==Previous discussions==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 7|Archive 7]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 8|Archive 8]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 9|Archive 9]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10|Archive 10]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 11|Archive 11]]

== Unnamed cities, towns, and villages from the anime ==

I can make a page for each region ([[Kanto]], [[Orange Archipelago]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]], [[Sinnoh]], and [[Unova]]) with a list of the nameless cities and towns featured in the [[Pokémon anime|anime]]. The pages show a list with an image from the episode, the featuring episode, the location (between so-and-so cities), and facts (such as festivals, events, history, leader, places of interest). Does [[Bulbapedia:Project Locations|Project Locations]] mind that?--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 15:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:If anyone approves of this, I suggest going with "unnamed" rather than "nameless." [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 15:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:Agreed! If there will be no disapproval by September 2011, I will start working on those pages.--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 03:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
::This sounds like a good idea. Since Unova has quite a few unnamed places. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that this would be a good project to start in the userspace. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I am sorry, "userspace"? I am still new.--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 19:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]]-Your Userpage. Userspace includes your userpage, talk page, and any other page that starts with User:Maximoss/<name of page> --♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 20:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I see, so a userspace is my studio, I can work in it with drafts and miss with it as much as I need, until I create my final draft as an official page. Did I get it all right?--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 04:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:Comments above were copied from the latest archive as the discussion is ongoing. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:Pretty much. Just remember not to make too many edits to your userspace, and read the {{bp|userspace policy}}. We are more lenient in regards to maximum number of edits per day for non-personal userspace content, but still keep the number of edits reasonable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

== The "Current Events" area on the Main Page ==

Usually it has the last ten or whatever news items in there. RIght now there's only two, and it's been that way all day. Is there a reason for this? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry for the late reply, but this happened because we implemented a [[n:Category:Articles by user|new category system]] on Bulbanews, and a whole bunch of old articles were edited to fix capitalization (Immewnity to immewnity primarily). Due to the way Bulbanews works, the new articles hadn't been edited recently enough and were pushed off the list. We had to go around and make edits to the articles to get them back on this list. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Venn Search Feature ==

Hi, I'm Sasshen, I haven't been a member of the community really at all thusfar but I've been using the Bulbapedia wiki ever since I can remember, and I think that it would be a really cool idea to create a search engine within the wiki that can find Pokémon that match specific criteria; i.e., you could use the feature to find a Pokémon that learns both Fly AND is Fire-type, for example. The hits would all be pages which focus on Pokémon in the video games, and the fields could include Ability, Type, different Moves, etc. Anyways, it's just a suggestion, but this feature would make finding certain Pokémon to fill niches, a process that tends to take me some time... and several tabs XD.

Thank you for your consideration,

Sasshen
{{unsigned|Sasshen}}
:[http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/search Veekun already has this], and I think the way Bulbapedia is structured would make it very, very hard to implement here. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 23:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, totally forgot about veekun there haha and thank you so much for the feedback :)
{{unsigned|Sasshen}}

== Share Buttons ==

I feel that bulbapedia should have share on facebook,twitter and +1 google buttons to make it more popular and allow people to easily share and suggest information to their friends and family.This will help Bulbapedia further expand, get more contributors and grow. {{unsigned|Pokepranav}}
:Yeah, our staff is working on that feature but it is still not done yet. So, it will take some more days. Thanks for your concern :) ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 17:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Mistake ==

There's a mistake with the main template used on Pokémon pages, for the Pokémon's egg cycle it says "x minimum steps" but it's actually the maximum number of steps. The whole time the game counts your steps up to 255 afterwhich it goes back to zero and an egg will need one less cycle before it hatches. So if you receive an egg when you are 200 steps into the cycle the egg will hatch 200 earlier than its number of egg cycles multiplied by 255. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, it is right to say minimum steps because whenever you receive or hatch an egg, all the other eggs in your party roll back to 0 on their current egg cycle. So if you recieve a second egg when you are 200 steps into the cycle, it will roll back over to 0 and you will end up having to walk 200 more steps than initially were required. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 19:55, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

==Wikirby==
The link to Wikirby on the NIWA directory is broken. It should link to http://www.wikirby.info/wiki/Main_Page, but instead it links to the nonexistent http://www.wikirby.info/wiki/Kirby_Wiki. Could an admin please fix this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 18:34, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fixed it. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 19:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

So I remember that the reason why there was a ban on trivia because many people at one specific time (for whatever reason) kept placing senseless trivia, which somehow affected server load. Nowadays, I occasionally see some nice (I guess) trivia removed because of the rule - an action that may also affect the server. To my point, when will that ban be removed/modified? Trivia is like one of the few things Bulbapedia has over other sites, another being the anime. Many prefer Serebii for games since some data here (like movelists) may be incomplete at times. There's Pokébeach, I guess, for TCG. So... yeah, when will this rule be changed/removed? (when replying, please note I don't really have much of an idea on the technical side of things here, like how much the server is affected) [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 04:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:trivia hasnt been allowed to encourage people to find other things to work on, not server load. with BW out, were still not 100% on that game, so people should be doing that, instead of trivia. occassional trivia is fine, but we cant let people go around and ONLY add trivia. its nonconstructive. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::Now that makes more sense :) Though for me, you sort of imply a full ban of trivia with that thing above (with few exceptions being the likes of the things below episode articles). [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|-tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26-]] 10:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Categorization of Main Page ==

Hi everyone, I'm Rassilon of Old, a new editor but long time Pokemon fan. :P Anyway, I've been reading Bulbapedia for years now, and I've only just joined today. I'm also an experienced editor on Wikia.com, so I was having a quick look at [[Special:UncategorizedPages|Uncategorized Pages]], when I saw that [[Type]] was uncategorized, as well as [[Main Page]]! So I categorized [[Type]], but I thought I would bring up the catagorization of the Main Page with the community. I think it should either be in the [[:Category:Bulbapedia|Bulbapedia category]], or a new category, {{redlink|:Category:Index|Index}}, {{redlink|:Category:Browse|Browse}}, or {{redlink|:Category:Community|Community}} should be created. I think the categorization of the main page is essential, and that this change should be implemented on Bulbapedia. I look forward to your responses, and to working with you in the future! Kind regards, [[User:Rassilon of Old|'''Rassilon of Old''']] ([[User talk:Rassilon of Old|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rassilon_of_Old|Contribs]]) 06:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Rule's always been that only the Main Page is uncategorized. But whatever the guy with the thing for magnets says. Also Wikia sucks. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::There's no reason why we can't categorize the main page. There are a few rules here that don't make sense, and I don't see why we can't change this one. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:::If we do decide to categorize the main page, I wouldn't go creating any of those categories. Also, the Bulbapedia equivalent of Category:Browse is {{cat|Browsing Bulbapedia}}. However, I would personally just categorize it under {{cat|Bulbapedia}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::::i just figured there wasnt much of a reason to categorize it. it is what it is, and everyone knows it. if a rash of people really want it categorized, im sure we could. just didnt really see the need. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::It is also possible to use css to hide the category bit at the bottom, if we don't want to see the category. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:59, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::I have to agree with categorizing the [[Main_Page|Main Page]] somehow, and I support using Cascading Style Sheets to hide the category links, because who would want to see that at the bottom of the biggest page on the pedia? '''—[[User:AlexTheRose|Alex]][[User_talk:AlexTheRose|The]][[Special:Contributions/AlexTheRose|Rose]]''' 03:42, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

''(indent reset)'' So what category would you like to use then? [[:Category:Bulbapedia|Bulbapedia]]? It seems to be the most obvious choice, ''and'' it is suitable to the main page's subject. I also agree with using CSS to hide the category. [[User:Rassilon of Old|'''Rassilon of Old''']] ([[User talk:Rassilon of Old|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rassilon_of_Old|Contribs]]) 12:39, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Adding Korean Pokémon Wiki Links? ==

I couldn't find any info on this so forgive me if I just didn't dig deep enough. Also, I couldn't think of a better place to post this than on the Main Page discussion, since it involves adding another language link to it (and the rest of the site for that matter).

Anyways, what's the Bulbapedia policy of adding links to another Pokémon wiki in another language, particularly a/the Korean Pokémon Wiki? I found one which is fairly extensive; they have 3700-someodd articles and it's fairly well organized and designed.
* http://ko.pokemon.wikia.com/

Plus it seems like they know Bulbapedia exists, seeing as their articles are formatted similarly:
* http://ko.pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/이상해씨_(포켓몬)

However, I'm not sure what is first required to add Korean links to articles, similar to the Japanese, French, German, etc. links which already exist. Does Bulbapedia have to first be allied/affiliated with the Korean Pokémon wiki? Or is it sinply a matter of someone simply adding the links to all the articles? I'm also not sure if there is an even larger Korean Pokémon wiki, or if you already know about these guys and they're Bulbapedia's/Bulbagarden's "enemy" or something (or allied/affiliated with one).

Whatever the case may be, I really would like to see these links added to Bulbapedia; it'll certainly make searching for Korean articles that much easier for me (and others)! Thanks for your time! :) -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 22:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:The language links are only added for members of [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]], a prerequisite of which is independence from wikia. This is due to wikia's general lack of care for the fanbases they are supposed to serve. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::Agreed. Wikia doesn't even allow the use of independent domains as far as I know. And you're right '''''TTE''chidna''', WikiA sucks. '''—[[User:AlexTheRose|Alex]][[User_talk:AlexTheRose|The]][[Special:Contributions/AlexTheRose|Rose]]''' 03:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Mobile Site ==

Bulbapedia needs a mobile site. I view on my device all the time. Not an app but a site. e.g. M.bulbapedia.org ---- DrBrock
:Is it really necessary? No. It provides the same information, not more, not less. But that is my opinion. Yes, I do go on Bulbapedia through my iPhone almost all the time. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 00:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
::I wouldnt quite go that far, Han. We have been discussing a mobile site, and we almost made an app. The mobile site is a lot harder than simply copy/paste code, and with companies getting really strict on apps, thats looking questionable as well. So the real answer is, do we '''need''' one? I dont think we do, but would we ''like'' one? Yes, but it isnt in the cards right now. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:41, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I personally feel that while ''demand'' for a mobile site will increase in the coming years due to the increase in the numbers of tablets and smartphones being produced, the fact that smartphone screens are getting bigger and both smartphones and tablets are getting more powerful means that the ''need'' for one will decrease equally as rapidly as those devices become more capable of loading pages at a suitable rate. Also factoring the advent of 4G mobile services, I don't see it being necessary now or in the future. [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 16:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Wanted talk pages? ==

I was just looking through the Wanted pages and seeing what I could make, and I noticed some talk pages are wanted. If there's something to discuss about something, we'll discuss it, but are talk pages ''really'' needed? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆Yoshis''']][[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''World☆''']] 23:00, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Wait, nevermind. I just saw why...--[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆Yoshis''']][[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''World☆''']] 23:10, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

== When is the ban on adding trivia going to be lifted? ==

Adding trivia is something of my area of expertise. I have no problem contributing elsewhere, but I'm just saying, this has gone on kinda long, hasn't it? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:I hope you guys don't mind me butting in. But I have seen some people adding trivia. Just as long as it is useful and actually contributing to the mainspace. Even I got in trouble for undoing edits made under the trivia section. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::Whoops! I got mixed up, I was looking at a previous user's talk page and thought I was still in it. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:38, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:did you not see the topic 5 sections before this one? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:Do you seriously have nothing better to contribute than trivia? How empty is your life? --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 10:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
::Was that comment necessary? As you can see, this conversation ended with MAGNEDETH and you felt the need to insult Missingno.? I believe such behavior will not be tolerated on this site. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 13:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Romanization templates ==

I'm looking through the wanted pages and... what are these romanization templates supposed to be used for? I'm confused. --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 23:15, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Romanizations/%E4%B8%8A%E9%87%8E%E8%BE%B0%E5%A4%AB They appear to be used for the anime staff by episode pages.] I don't know why they're set up that way, that seems to be the way they've been done for quite some time though. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, of course, it all makes sense now. Of course what we need is a template to write a person's name instead of just... writing their name. --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 00:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Red and Green art ==

Is it supposed to be appearing on the Pokemon pages, or is it because of the archives having problems? Not that I don't like it (it should switch the artwork all the time). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 06:37, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:I was just waiting for someone to ask this. September was the month Pokémon Red and Blue were released in North America, so the infoboxes automatically set the artwork to the RGB artwork. Simple as that. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 06:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::So why does Dragonite have its Firered/Leafgreen artwork then?----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 14:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::The cache needed purging. Try now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Unwelcomed users ==

I hate having to flood the RC with four or five new user welcomes, but this is getting ridiculous. It's been getting up to 10-15 in a row when I check every few days, and today there were 36 from the past few days. Would it kill some people to take a few seconds to throw up a <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki> on their page? I know you're busy, but it literally takes 10-15 seconds to do it. And that's if you're slow. It's not like they're coming in every few seconds. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:47, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's true folks. It isn't hard. If one user does it, then it's a lot of random new people depending on one person to fall back on. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::There, I'm doing some welcomes. Are we happy? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 21:05, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Not with your tone I'm not. No reason to get so excited over this. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Well I'm happy that for once when I check the log that everyone got welcomes [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 11:50, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

== Pirated Games On eBay ==

Recently I did some eBay searching for [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions]] and no surprise here, most listings are pirated versions of the game coming from China or Taiwan. Same goes for other Pokémon games. What's even worse is that people that bought the pirated games are now selling them unaware of the fact. Sure eBay has guides on how to spot pirated from legitimate but either the guides have no images, have very low resolution images, or are from a different region (let's say you live in the USA and you see a legitimate European Pokémon game). I propose we create a special article that archives what each legitimate game cartridge looks like or put what a legitimate game cartridge looks like in each Pokémon game article for each region but in a high resolution image (450px in width should be enough for each Game Boy Advance cartridge for example). I am aware that [[Hack games]] article exists but I don't think that's enough. Correct me if I am wrong if something like this is already in place. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 23:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
:Solution: Buy it in a store. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:24, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
::Actually your proposal is flawed, these hacked games ''are built off of real cartridges'' so making an article like that will not help. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:10, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
:::@TTEchidna I could but there is one problem; older games are no longer sold in stores. Used games stores may not have a copy available. eBay is the best place to buy used copies. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 08:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:::@Truthseeker4449 How is my idea flawed? Common problems of pirated Pokémon games are the save feature either stops saving or doesn't work at all or the game stops functioning properly altogether. Also there are ways to test for an authentic cartridge. One example for a GBA game is if you look at the pins and tilt in such a way, if you see the Nintendo logo with or without the oval with a copyright to the left and an "AGB" code to the right, it's authentic. I don't see why having a detailed article would be a bad idea. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 08:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::It isn't the kind of thing that is appropriate for Bulbapedia. Feel free to make a user subpage ("User:Wildgoosespeeder/Identifying hacked games" or similar) or a blog on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. What you are suggesting is really a set of tips and pointers to ensure that your game is not hacked, something which is unencylopedic. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::My soulsliver is hacked game off ebay, the way I know is on start up the ds says the game is star wars. Also, after the credits, the game does not restart on its own, I have to turn it off and back on again. Just puttin a picture will not work, Other than what I have said, there is ''no'' way to tell it is a fake game. But it still plays nice though. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 16:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::@SnorlaxMonster Fair enough argument but who's going to see? --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 21:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::@Truthseeker4449 You are dead wrong. There are ways to tell if a game is pirated or not. Usually its the subtle details that determine the difference. Here's just several more examples that apply to all games. If there is American coverart and the game location is in China, it's probably a bootleg. Nintendo makes their labels nearly perfect. Pirated copies may have lopsidedness to them or things don't line up compared to the authentic counterparts. Nintendo changed there seal from "Official Nintendo Seal of Quality" to "Official Nintendo Seal" back in 2004 or something (just look at [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions]] and [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions]] for a comparison). I got a little more crazy about it [http://support.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pbgt&action=display&thread=398669 here] and [http://support.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pbgt&action=display&thread=400866 here]. Plus pirated copies hurt the developer because the money made by the pirated copies don't go to them. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 21:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::::You ask "who's going to see?", the same question applies even if it was in the mainspace. How many sellers/re-sellers are going to come to Bulbapedia to check if their game is a bootleg? Beyond that, a page would be of no use to buyers since there's often no way to ''really'' tell you're bidding on a bootleg game until it arrives at your doorstep. And, Bulbapedia definitely can't go around saying things like "If the game is American and the seller's location is China, it's probably a bootleg." that's just asking for trouble. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 23:15, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::::@Kogoro Those sellers are just uninformed and most probably aren't gamers. Actually a page I am suggesting would be helpful to buyers because most eBay listings I've seen take a picture of the game cart. Some use stock images so it's a gamble. Plus if you suspect if you have a counterfeit of an item, you can file a dispute to hopefully get your money back. Sure the page will be unpopular at first but through featuring on the main page, word will get around, maybe even be featured on the first page of a search engine like Google or something. Although ideal, that may not happen exactly like that but more exposure means more informed people. When you say "asking for trouble", what do you mean? Of course in writing there is always a "draft" form before it becomes "final" with more approprate wording. Maybe instead of saying "if it is from China", say "look for games for sale in your region and not from a foreign country" or "Japan, North America, and Europe are where authentic licensed copys of Nintendo games come from". --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

Wouldn't it be better if on a Pokémon's article it's stated whether the Pokémon's Hidden ability has been released, maybe with a {{tt|*|Released/Unreleased}} next to the Pokémon's Hidden ability? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
:Scroll down. If it has a Dream World location or a Global Link event, tah dah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:34, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
::Except that doesn't cover the Resort Desert Darmanitans or the Friday Dreamyard Musharnas, which are in-game Pokémon with hidden abilities. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 17:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== +/- ==

What does the +s and -s in the recent changes mean? [[User:DrBrock|DrBrock]] 21:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC)DrBrock
:Amount of characters added to or removed from the page in that edit. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 21:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Rumble Blast ==

Pokémon Rumble Blast will be released in North America in two days. However, only one out of the 20+ locations has an article, and that article is barely linked to anything else.

Would it be possible for a location template to be made to link all of the stages (grouped by chapter) and towns so that creating and formatting the articles will be easier for people? I do not think I have the authority to create a template and I'd like to start editing the pages as soon as possible. Also note a template for the Pokémon that appear n each area. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 18:31, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

[[Beginning Garden]] is the only stage with a page as of now. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 18:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
:Like a navigation template to go at the bottom of the page? Sure, you're welcome to make one. Just run it past someone before you put it on the page to double check it. For the Pokemon that appear in each area, I can make one for you, but I need to know how the game works. Is it like the Previous Rumble where there are four ranks for each location, or is it more like Mystery Dungeon where there's just one set of Pokemon for each location? Sorry I can't be much hore help, the game doesn't come out here until December. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Rumble Blast was pre-released today.
There is only one set of Pokémon in each area and the strength levels do not increase until you clear the game.
[[Beginner's Park]] is the English name for the first level. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 21:10, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
:[[User talk:Werdnae/Sandbox/Rumble2loc/h|Here]] is what I've got so far, is there anything else that it needs to show? Is there a varying join/befriend/whatever rate per location? Are they on specific floors of the location? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:56, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
::Also, before we make a navigation template, we need to know the names of all the locations. Does someone have all 20+ English names? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[[Beginner's Park]] [[Toy Town]] 1-1 [[Trailhead Field]] 1-2 [[Seabreeze Trail]] 1-3 [[Echo Valley]] 1-4 [[Challenger's Ground]] [[Easterly Town]] 2-1 [[Sun-Dappled Bank]] etc. Yeah. I have them. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 00:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
:I need a complete list of all of the names (so etc. isn't helpful). Also, we won't be including the numbers in page titles (although there will be redirects from them). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Start: [[Beginner's Park]] {{-}}
Chapter 1: [[Toy Town]], 1-1 [[Trailhead Field]], 1-2 [[Seabreeze Trail]], 1-3 [[Echo Valley]], 1-4 [[Challengers Ground]] {{-}}
Chapter 2: [[Easterly Town]] (enter passwords here), 2-1 [[Sun-Dappled Bank]] (First Team Battle), 2-2 [[Misty Edgewater]], 2-3 [[Soothing Shore]], 2-4 [[Shimmering Lake]] (First Charge Battle) {{-}}
Chapter 3: [[Westerly Town]], 3-1 [[Rugged Flats]] (First of those special rooms full of strong Pokémon. It begins with an R. Also I found my first Pokémon with an ability here.), 3-2 [[Volcanic Slope]], 3-3 [[Firebreathing Mountain]] {{-}}
Chpater 4: [[Northerly Town]], 4-1 [[Frozen Tundra]], 4-2 [[Everspring Valley]], 4-3 [[Sunny Seashore]], 4-4 [[Fallaway Edge]] {{-}}
Chapter 5: I don't know yet. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 21:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
:[[Template:Rumble Blast locations]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

: Okay. I have made the first two pages and I think they won't be deleted immediately. Anyway, we need a template for the Pokémon that can be found there or it will look very...boring. And I don't know how to make a template where you can put in a picture and list info on the area like in Mystery Dungeon. Anyway, I'll continue to create the base pages to complete a skeleton of the areas and then I'll help out when the templates have been installed. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 20:48, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== App ==

Could it be possible for Bulbapedia to be an I-Pod app? It would be so cool if it were. ----Lugia1999
:No. There was one planned, but since Nintendo has removed other, similar apps from the app stores, it will not be done, as Nintendo is treating it as copyright infringement. Further reasoning for why it will not happen can be found [[n:Legal Issues? There's an app for that|here.]] [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== What!!! ==

Not even the '''''Admins''''' can take '''''5 minutes''''' out of their busy day and press a few buttons to welcome people, or are we doing away with the welcome template all together. Either way, this is getting redictulus. Wait I now that I think about it, it doesn't '''''even take that long!!!!''''' [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 17:04, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:Could you please calm down? If you hadn't notice there was a big influx of anime information that we have been busy with today. No need to have a meltdown because a few users didn't get welcomed.

:Also, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Kenji-girl&namespace=3&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 ahem... yeah]. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 17:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
::The thing is that we have to keep an eye on the rc consistently and that includes Archives, News and Pedia. We follow different time zones, belong to different countries and have a really busy life going on. Also, it is not a "top priority" or a "must do" job but still, it is nice to welcome the new users and guide them. Please have some patience, if you're not willing to do it, there's no pressure on you or any one else. We try our best to keep everything running smoothly and up to date but sometimes, the staff members might not be around. Anyway, we really appreciate all the help. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 17:25, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
::I can tolate a few at the top, but a dozen half way down is too far{{tt|.|closes tab and logs out}} {{unsigned|Truthseeker4449}}

:::I'm sure that if it does get too far, the Bulbapedia staff will take action on it. But everyone seems to be welcomed within the day so...Oh yeah,this just made me remember something... if anyone is wondering if this task could be automated, it had been discussed in a way [[User talk:Zhen Lin/Archive 1#WelcomeBot? (or UserBot)|here]] - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 01:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

::::Also, the "dozen halfway" may have a reason why they don't have welcome templates, as they may be banned.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::The automation thing has been discussed much more recently elsewhere, and it's gerenally agreed in those conversations that a) it's more friendly if a person does it and b) it gives them someone to go to for help, who at the very least knows enough to know about welcomes. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== Notice ==

Its missing. I know its on every other page of the wiki, but I think it should still be on the main page, since its probably the first thing people will see when they come here. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 17:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
:Speaking of the notice, the link to the main page is broken again. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
::It's looking fine to me. Maybe you're getting a cached version on some pages? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I noticed it started working again. Anyway, I have question about this {{u|Ne7CbJa2Nk|user}}. I know some users with simlar names have been blocked in the last month. So before I welcome him/her/it I want comformation that it's not a sock. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
::::The notice isn't important for the Main Page. The notice is geared at editors, but we designed the new page for people visiting the wiki for their first time. Naturally, they'll want to look around a bit before they start editing. We're/I'm in the process of setting up other hub pages for editors. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

== Junichi Masuda ==

His favorite Pokémon is Victini. His favorite Pokémon used to be Pichu. It even says on his article. --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

== The box of links at the bottom of the main page. ==

You know that box of links to all the Bulbagarden sites? You know how each site has an image as a link, and also a word? Well the image - the grey bulb - that is supposed to link to the archives, instead links to Bulbapedia's Main page. That should be fixed. ----[[Freeze Bolt|Cyclone]][[Totodile|blaze]] ([[User:Cycloneblaze|user]] - [[User talk:Cycloneblaze|talk]]) 21:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
:Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
::...You caught me. I copy/pasted that box from the Archives Main Page. Nice catch. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
:::No problem guys, lol --[[Freeze Bolt|Cyclone]][[Totodile|blaze]] ([[User:Cycloneblaze|user]] - [[User talk:Cycloneblaze|talk]]) 16:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== What happened...? ==

I feel like this is the best place to post this. Well, the navigation sidebar thing...what happened to it? Where's the links to Bulbanews, the Bulbagarden Archives? How come it got diminished? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:23, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
:Nevermind...saw it. I'm too hasty. --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== The Checkmark ==

I noticed the check mark used in some templates is not in the character pallete. It is on Bulbanews though. Should it be added for convience? Thanks [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 03:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
:Sure. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:46, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::Gracias. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 20:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
:::So that's why the palette went from one row to two... [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:01, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Your palette is two rows? Or was <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> on the same row as everything else for you (always been on the second row for me)? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Up till Trom modifed the palette, mine had always been one row. With the ✓ I have two rows with <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> being on the second row and everythig else being on the first. However my screen is only {{tt|10.1"|netbooks rule}} [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 16:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

== Felines introduced each region... ==

I noticed... From the start itself, each generation has introduced a feline-like Pokemon, all belonging to a two stage evolutionary line. ( Although when Sneasel was introduced, it didn't have an evolution prior to Generation IV, but it still counts, right?) This is what I've discovered: Meowth and Persian were introduced during Generation I, Sneasel was introduced during Generation II, Skitty and Delcatty were introduced too for Generation III. Glameow and Purugly belong to Generation IV (And this is where Sneasel qualifies, because Weavile is introduced.) and obviously Purrloin and Liepard were introduced during Generation V. Interesting isn't it? Just like the electric rodents ALSO introduced each generation. (Pikachu, Pichu, Plusle and Minun, Pachirisu, and Emolga) This is the same except it they are '''all''' under a 2 stage evolutionary line too. [[User:PokePuncherPal12|PokePuncherPal12]] 06:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
:Sneasel is not a cat. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::This is pointed out in the trivia section on the [[Generation II]] article that it was the only generation not to include a 2 stage cat-like evolutionary line. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh... sorry... I didn't check its entry. Thanks for the info. [[User:PokePuncherPal12|PokePuncherPal12]] 13:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== stubs ==

On the find or fix a stub page It says there are featured stubs on the main page. I don't see any!whats with that?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:58, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you for pointing that out, in the haste of spicing up the main page, the staff must of forgotten to update that page. I'm sure an admin will be along soon and they will {{tt|fix that|I'll assume the page is protected}}. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
::{{u|the dark lord trombonator}} was planning on making an "editor's home", whereas the Main Page is more of a "reader's home". So it will be on that page when it is made. I guess I can just hide it for now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
::: '''If you are looking for Stubs''' , there is a ''Lend a Hand'' in the Main page. Click on that and then click on stubs --✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 13:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thanks for the help guys.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 17:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== There seems to be an error in the featured content ==

Ancient Family Matters! (Japanese: ラムパルドＶＳトリデプス！！ Rampard VS Trideps!!) is the ''71st episode of the original series'', and the 573rd episode of the Pokémon anime.

Pretty sure it is the 107th episode of the DP series :p.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Error ==

'Blue Flare (Japanese: あおいほのお Blue Fire) is an Fire-type move that was introduced in Generation V.' Surely it should be 'Blue Flare (Japanese: あおいほのお Blue Fire) is '''a''' Fire-type move that was introduced in Generation V.' ----[[User:Cacnea7642|Cacnea]][[User Talk:Cacnea7642|7642]] 07:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you for pointing out the error, it has been fixed now. Have a nice day. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 07:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

== Featured Content - Magnemite ==

Just wondering, does anyone know where the claim "It took top professors over three years to fully understand my composition" came from regarding Magnemite? I haven't seen it in any section on Magnemite's article, and I didn't see it in the Magnemite Pokédex entries, either...[[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 20:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
:Magnemite was {{t|Electric}} in Gen I, and then they added {{t|Steel}} in Gen II. It was 3+ years between each game (it all depends on if you count the Jp or U.S. release) until top [[Pokémon Professor|professors]] figured it out. Granted, we don't technically know when Magnemite was first discovered, so I suppose it could actually be longer. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== Cry lengths of Pokémon ==

Would it be possible for a page listing Pokémon by the length of their cries? I am curious which has the longest and shortest cries, and this website does not yet list Pokémon in such a manner. {{unsigned|Squirrelfeet}}
:To me, it seems too difficult to measure presicely which cries are the longest and which are the shortest, given that all of them are only a few seconds long.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
::The Pokédex in Black & White shows how long the cries are; I would catalog it here, but I don't have a full Pokédex. [[User:Peanut64|Peanut64]]
:::It isn't worth cataloging the length of the crys. Especially since we can't seem to get the crys to work with our software anyway. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I have an almost full Pokédex (minus certain event Pokémon), so I could attempt to create a basic page for it. Obviously the cries can't be shown, somebody else would need to obtain all event-Pokémon information other than Victini. What do people think? .--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 11:09 December 30 2011

== New Article for Battle things ==

Certain aspects of the game that have always confused me a bit are the phrases that appear during battle such as "'''But it failed'''", or "'''It doesn't affect __'''" (which I've discovered is actually different from "'''It didn't affect ___'''"). "'''But it missed'''" is simple enough, but there are other which I don't understand. I do not know the details personally, but I would find the info very useful, so I am requesting someone to create an article which explains what all of those things that appear in a battle actually mean.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] 03:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
:"But it failed" is usually the [[Status move|Non-damaging]] version of "But it missed", which can be either [[Physical move|Physical]] or [[Special move|Special]]. Not affecting a Pokémon refers to an immunity, for example {{type|Ground}}s are immune to {{type|Electric}} attacks, and so on. An immunity can also be based on an ability, such as a Pokémon with {{a|Insomnia}} will not be able to fall asleep. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you. That makes it much more clear :D However, whilst playing Crystal (the one I'm playing at the moment), I swear that sometimes, even if the pokemon is not immune to the move, it will still say "'''it didn't affect'''", and I don't know why... '''doesn't''' implies that is never affects it, but when it says '''didn't''' it sounds like it means the same thing at '''but it failed'''.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] 06:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that "it didn't affect" would be used if a damaging move fails; for example, if a pokemon used Dream Eater while the target was not asleep.--[[User:Tk3141|tk3141]] 10:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Nope, Dream Eater is still "It doesn't affect" (in Gen V at least). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:06, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

== upgrade? ==

ever since dec/16/2011, all tamplates or user boxes are now square. They used to be ovaly. Whats with that?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 22:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
:Did you start using a new web browser? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
::Make sure that Compatibility Mode is not enabled. On Internet Explorer 8, a torn sheet of paper will be colored blue in the address line next to the refresh button. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I just checked, it was the computer i was using.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Main Page Mistake ==

On Third day of Christmas: Three French Combusken, near the end it says Hitmonlee insted of Combusken. [[User:DrBrock|DrBrock]] 22:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)DrBrock
:Thanks for catching that.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

== Error ==

"In the anime, the city first appeared in Dawn's Early '''L'''ight". It should say Night instead of Light. --[[User:Cacnea7642|Cacnea]][[User Talk:Cacnea7642|7642]](Ho, ho, ho!) 14:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== Sequæl ==
On the bit for Fishing Rally DS, today's feature, we are told
"While it contains "PokéPark" in its name, it is not related to PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure or its '''sequal'''. Instead, it is named after the real park."
[[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 00:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Trainer Moves ==

Would it be too much if Trainers' Pokémon included movesets? Obviously it would rely on the help of several users to give information to help, and not every move may be found in a battle, although despite the challenge posed, its impliments would certainly help several users.
--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 11:15, December 30 2011 (UTC)
:Important Trainers like Gym Leaders and villainous team admins already get full lists of their Pokémon's movesets. Random Route Trainers really don't need this treatment. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

== Interactive Map ==

Would it be possible to impliment interactive region maps so as to be able to quickly navigate between locations? I am sure it would be very useful.--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 13:42 December 30 2011
:[[Bulbapedia:Sandbox#Region image maps|Like this]]? Those have been made, but I haven't gotten approval for putting them in use yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
::I didn't know you were working on these, SM. We can discuss it later. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 16:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, precisely like that.--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 12:17 December 31 2011

== TCG moves ==

could there be a project for moves only in the TCG? If not would they be put in with project TCG or project moves?--[[User:Supermon|Super]][[User Talk:Supermon|mon]] 14:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
:[[Moves not in the Pokémon games#In the TCG]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
okay.--[[User:Supermon|Super]][[User Talk:Supermon|mon]] 14:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

== Login ==

I have a question, whenever I login, I have to log back in the very next day, is there a way to keep you logged in?? It becomes rather tedious to log in every single day so is there a way to stay in?? If not can there be like a check box that says keep me logged in on the log in screen??[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:39, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
:There is, it has a box to check saying 'Remember my login on this browser (for a maximum of 30 days)'. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 01:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

== Thursday, January 4, 2012 - TM of the Day ==

There is an error in today's entry. It says it is one of six machines with four different moves, but there are actually seven:

* 01 (Mega Punch, DynamicPunch, Focus Punch, Hone Claws)
* 03 (Swords Dance, Curse, Water Pulse, Psyshock)
* 09 (Take Down, Psych Up, Bullet Seed, Venoshock)
* 34 (Bide, Swagger, Shock Wave, Sludge Wave)
* 43 (Sky Attack, Detect, Secret Power, Flame Charge)
* 48 (Rock Slide, Fire Punch, Skill Swap, Round)
* 49 (Tri Attack, Fury Cutter, Snatch, Echoed Voice)

Thought you should know. (Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.) [[User:Anon e Mouse Jr.|Anon e Mouse Jr.]] 01:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks; the page I got my information from was wrong. I will update accordingly. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

::It also says that TM03 is one the current 94 Technical Machines when it should say TM03 is one '''of''' the current 94. --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 02:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Cool, fixed. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
::::A bit late, but I seem to remember there are ''95'' TMs instead of ''94''.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

== Well...Hello!! ==

Hi,i'm new around here,so if you guys have any errands to run,i'll be glad to lend some help!!--[[User:SchneeAce14|SchneeAce14]] 21:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

==Error 503==

I keep getting a message on my computer when I browse bulbapedia saying "Error 503 Service Unavailible" with a bubapedia logo next to it. What is that, and is it dangerous to my computer? [[Mothim (Pokémon)|Mothim]] [[User:Wildgoose|will]] [[User talk:Wildgoose|rule]] [[Special:Contributions/Wildgoose|all!]]-Wildgoose (and [[Dustox (Pokémon)|Dustox]] will too!) 02:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey mate, guess thst's not much to worry about,probably is a proble with your navigator (unless if you're a using Vista, then you shall give up,cause Vista is capable of jamming everything)try swichting it or you can try (if you don't have anything important to do in the main page)getting in through an external link,it worked for sometime ago when my navigator was stalling.Try it!!!!!--[[User:SchneeAce14|SchneeAce14]] 15:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
:That's completely wrong. Error #503 is exactly what it says it is; the service is unavailable. Click the back button and try again, usually it's just a glitch. That said, if you're getting a lot of them, don't keep reloading the page - they can be caused by high load, and so constant refreshing will only exacerbate the problem. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction mate i was about to do a huge mistake with that guy!!!Tanks a lot!!!TALLY HO!!!--[[User:SchneeAce14|SchneeAce14]] 00:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

This is starting to get serious. When I click a link to somewhere else in bulbapedia (including the edit, preview, and save page buttons) Error 503 comes up 95% of the time. The back button and the refresh button have the same result. Why?!?!?!?!?!?!? [[User:Wildgoose|Wild]][[User talk:Wildgoose|goose]]-[[Special:Contributions/Wildgoose|The friendly goose in town!]] 22:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

== SOPA ==

will Bulbapedia go down if SOPA passes?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:29, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ads on main page and reading news ==

I have a somewhat small computer, and I don't know if this has been spoken about before.
But when I'm reading the main page, sometimes the ads can get in the way, that includes the news. I have to zoom out, thus making the text smaller. It's kinda annoying. I'm just saying why not keep a set size for the pages, because it seems to change depending on the zoom.
Either that or the ads are forcing themselves into the screen to make us read them. (I know they are part of the income of Bulbapedia, I guess)
[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 16:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:Hey there, I don't know how much attention your message will get here, as it might be pushed down in the Recent Changes, but we've got [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/bad-ad-reporting-thread-29680/ a thread on the forums] for reporting exactly this sort of thing, and it will get much more attention there. We want our readers to have the best experience possible, so any time you find a bad ad like the one you mentioned, post it there. However, ads should have disappeared once you logged in...I wish you luck in fixing your problem. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:40, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
::I did not realise that if you logged in, ads will disappear, because I don't bother logging in unless editing. But I guess I'll check out that bad ad thread just to be safe. Thanks! [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 07:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I should note here that if you ever do get an ad that covers the whole page, or a large portion thereof, and you can't find a 'close' button on it to make it go small again, take a screenshot. If possible, get the location that it links to and any other info you can gather. Then post that all in the bad ads thread. Without information to determine which ad it is, it can't be removed. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:50, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Character of the day: Wilma ==

Just reporting a small error - the "Character of the Day" section for Wilma currently says "Grandma'''n''' Wilma". I've checked her article, but I'm only seeing "Grandma Wilma", so I'm assuming the "n" is a slight mistake/typo... [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 14:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing it out, the error has been fixed. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 18:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

== Time for Archive 12? ==

With how big this page has gotten, I personally believe that it is probably nearly time for this talk page to be archived again. It's starting to get slightly difficult to keep track of the latest topics being brought up here though the decision ultimately, of course, remains with the admins. [[User:Lauraac2110|Lauraac2110]] 12:52, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:I second that, but if you want an archive, talk to an [[Bulbapedia:Administrators|admin]]. [[User:Wildgoose|Wild]][[User talk:Wildgoose|goose]]-[[Special:Contributions/Wildgoose|The friendly goose in town!]] 21:23, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
::We normally do it once the size for this talk page reach 100 KB, so an archiving will take place soon, but not now. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 21:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

== Featured content:Torrent error ==

It says it was introduced in Gen III when it was introduced in Gen I. Proof? {{p|Squirtle}}. [[User talk:Epsilonexus|Epsilonexus]] 17:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:Abilities were introduced in Generation III. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:46, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

== Forums? ==

Are the forums down or something? I can't get them to load. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:08, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
:Yes. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
::This wouldn't by any chance be related to the posting trouble I have been exprencing on the forums since that update? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 23:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't know. Bulbapedia and the forums are run by two different groups of people. Plus I don't know what problems you've been having. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
::::In short every {{tt|once in a while|or every five minutes, whichever is more annoying in the long run}} when I hit save/post, the page locks up and if I'm luckly, I get a website restore error. I desribed this issue the director {{tt|person|Musashi or something like that}} over there, and (s)he found it odd. It happens in VM's, thread creating/posting, and any other time you need to hit save/post. As it only happens on the forums, I pretty certain it's a forum issue and since it appeared after the softwear upgrade, I also supect that my problems might be related to that upgrade. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/15615/53124/ What I reported to aforementoned person] I had to keep it short due the aforementioned problem. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

== Foresight ==

On the homepage it says foresight was made so it never failed in gen 3 but the page for foresight says it was made to never fail in gen 4?
[[User:Savelijah|Savelijah]] 18:22, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
:Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== Pokémon Pearl in 2D Mode ==

Does anyone here know how to disable the 3D when walking through routes for example in Pokémon Pearl Version using an Action Replay code? I tried searching for an hour and got nowhere. I got the right tools to do so but don't have the right code to make the game run in 2D mode. Also does anyone have a completed game save just to save time so I can make maps for the [[:Category:Articles needing better pictures|Sinnoh Routes needing better images]]? --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 19:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
:This website is not a game walkthrough. Do not post such comments onto this site. Only the second part of that was valid for the talk page.--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 00:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::'''@Squirrelfeet''': Both questions are asking for valid assistance. In order to create proper maps for articles, the Sinnoh games have to be force-converted from 3D to overhead 2D mode. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 00:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

==Community polls on Main Page==

We could add polls on the Main Page like which of these are your favorite or if you are a supporter of this Shipping. Sounds silly but it will make the 'pedia more open to the community. [[User:Wildgoose|Wild]][[User talk:Wildgoose|goose]]-[[Special:Contributions/Wildgoose|The friendly goose in town!]] 23:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:Polls are more suited to the forums and the software they run. In fact, there are many polls there already. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:26, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::To be fair, [http://www.mariowiki.com Super Mario Wiki] does this. It could be a good idea to try and make Bulbapedia more fun. On a forum, it may not be noticed. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 22:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
:::{{smw|Main Page|Super Mario Wiki}} does not have a forum in the same way as Bulbapedia. And besides, there is a whole ''section'' dedicated to Shipping in the forums, wo it should be, at the very least, noticed, if not responded to. There are lots more people on the forums than you seem to think.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 12:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

== Damos' Pichu ==

I was editing an article when I noticed that there is no article for Damos' Pichu. There probably should be one, since Damos' Pichu played somewhat of an important role in M12. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] 17:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC))
:It does have an article, but under a different name; [[Spiky-eared Pichu]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 18:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, thanks ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] 18:16, 25 February 2012 (UTC))

== February 27, 2012: Anniversary edition: Welcome to the World of Pokémon ==

On the fourth bullet point "later" is misspelt "latger". -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 02:11, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:Oops, can't have that! I've fixed it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:15, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== February 28, 2012: Who's that Pokémon? ==

Um, It says: Who's that Pokémon, but it's actually a character from the anime. So who made that? Geez. ★☆[[User:Togetic45|'''Toge''']][[User talk:Togetic45|'''tic''']][[Special:Contributions/Togetic45|'''45''']]☆★ 10:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
:I agree, it's misleading... if an anime character is to be featured, by all means — I'd just like to see the "Who's That Pokémon" part change along with the subject. [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 10:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
::It was made as a joke because the character in question was once used in [[Who's that Pokémon?]] and was made to reflect that. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 10:18, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

== Japanese Species Names ==

Is there a reason why the original Japanese species name is not included on each Pokémon's page? The original Japanese name of Pokémon, techniques, town descriptions, and Gym Leader titles are included, so why not species? [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 15:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:This information is better suited to the Japanese wiki. The others are included as information only on important individual names (thus being an interesting piece of trivia), and so having the original Japanese species names is a bit pointless, considering that this is an English wiki (species names aren't very important).--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 18:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
::'''@Pokemega32:''' We have a list of there Japanese species names [[Species|here]], they're not on the Pokémon pages because they've only been added recently. If you want to put forward a suggestion on how to add it to the template, you can do that [[Template talk:PokémonInfobox|here]].
::'''@Chalkwriter:''' Japanese info has just as much of a place here as the English stuff. Why restrict that information to Japanese speakers? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Not entirely sure how they would fit in, but I certainly think Japanese species names are a good idea to include. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

== Login ==

Why do we have a checkbox to keep us logged in for 30 days? I would like to be able to stay logged in "forever". --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 23:56, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
:MediaWiki limitation, AFAIK. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
::Really? I belong to other MediaWiki-powered Wikis and they don't seem to have the 30-day login thing (unless something was reworded when the page loads to hide the fact of the 30-day login). --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== New Additon ==

Affiliates of Bulbapedia: '''eighteen''' independently-run wikis about Nintendo. This needs to be 19 now that F-Zero is part of NIWA. [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 19:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Um... ==

Is it me, or has the featured content not been updated in a while? It's been showing repeats all week, and now it's claiming that P+NA was released today, when it was last week. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, nobody has updated it in a while. What we found was that it was just an unnecessary waste of time to update it every day. It got to a stage where really only {{u|Jo The Marten}} was writing them. Really, we're quite likely to remove it (but I don't know what we'll replace it with). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:55, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

== Uh........ ==

Is it just me, or is something wrong with the NIWA box? It says 20 wikis, but I only count nineteen, and I counted them like five times. [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 20:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
:I count 20. I think you're probably missing the second Pikmin wiki. There are two on the same line there: [[Pikipedia]] and [[Pikmin Fanon]]. --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 20:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
::There's 2 pikmin wikis!?!?!?!?!?!??! i never knew that. i guess that's my problem. thanks![[User:Volcronaperson|_Volcronaperson_]] 20:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

== Anatomy Vs. Physiology ==

I already mentioned this... but Physiology is very different from Anatomy... As I read some of the Physiology content, I must say it is wrong since it's just defining or describing the Pokemon's body parts or anatomical aspects.. if we will use physiology then we must define, describe their function. For example, in human physiology, each neurons has a space between them called synapse where the acethylcholine, and some electrolytes floats around waiting for depolarization effect. That is just an example of Physiology, so in terms of Anatomy, Bulbapedia is already using it so I'm suggesting we change Physiology to Anatomy... THANK YOU... I'm a Nurse by the way...--[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 14:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:This was brought up a while ago, and we are working on a change. It won't be for a little while, but this will be fixed. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 16:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

== Header Image ==

This may sound very poor and unreasonable, but do tell me you're going to keep the R/G artwork as the header pic. The image provides a more interesting perspective than any GenV work. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 02:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
*Its a part of the Aprils fools, it's over now....[[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 21:08, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

==NIWA==

I believe it's been this way for a while, but why is there no easily-accessible link to the main NIWA page in that navigation box thing at the bottom of the main page, just a link to the Bulbapedia article about NIWA? It's the same with the box on the said article; the bottom-right corner of the box at the bottom just loops to the Bulbapedia article. There is a link to NIWA at the end of the article, though. Just a little confused by all this...Maybe I'm missing something. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 22:22, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Snowpoint City

2008-12-21T13:40:31Z

CrimsonCerberus:

What're the other predetermined days for special weather (if there's something else in different areas)? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|S<big>h</big>i<big>n</big>y]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<big>N</big>o<big>c</big>t<big>o</big>w<big>l</big>]]  13:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well....I know today, and also April 22nd 2007 had Diamond Dust.....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::I once got rain on Route 213 for a day. I wonder if that's something special. And I wonder if it's predetermined for a specific day of a specific month of a specific year, or if EVERY January 12 this happens... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I'd like to know, is there a list of all the trendy sayings? [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 01:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

==April 22==
How does anyone know that Diamond Dust occurred on April 22, 2007? Who could have possibly made it here in one day.--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 05:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:Simple. You change the date on the DS.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Diamond dust battle effect ==

Anyone know a way to force a battle in an area? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

== Northernmost ==

It says Snowport city is the most city, however this map is shows Shino is in the south. [http://www.serebii.net/pokearth/] [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 10:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
: Well they're Obviously wrong, I follow the Japan region map to make me satisfied about the location of the regions.--[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 10:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::You do realize that serebii themselves stated that "Please note that the positioning of the [[Country|{{tt|regions|Should be countries}}]] is not official and was manipulated for space reasons"? Serebii's not passing off that map as official. Odds are you can't go east-southeast from the [[Safra Sea]] in the country of [[Fiore]] to reach the [[Capture Arena]] in the country of [[Almia]]...{{unsigned|Shiningpikablu252}}
:::Don't believe the placement of the regions in Merrick's map. He did such placement just to make it fit with the map's size but it has NOTHING to do with official placement of the regions. In other words, never trust Merrick. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::::Sorry just trying to help [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 15:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

=Trendy Sayings=

I've yet to find a full list of these anywhere, and seeing as you get them in this town...I figured it'd be a great addition to Bulbapedia. :) I can and will definitely help listing them, but I'd rather not do any extensive page editing on Wii. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 13:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Tangela (Pokémon)

2008-06-20T14:13:17Z

CrimsonCerberus:

why do we have a location for tangela in Diamond and Pwarl if a glich prevents irt from being found? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 22:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
:Er, what? I never heard of a glitch, however, I don't think it's even a swarmer... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
::Tangela was supposed to be found in a swarm, but from what I'm told, due to a glich in how the swarming area was chosen, it isn't catchable. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

::::The location is WRONG! The only three Pokémon that can be caught at the peak of Mt. Coronet (which is Spear Pillar) are Dialga, Palkia and Arceus (the Hall of Origin is above Speak Pillar, so I count it as Spear Pillar)![[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Op]][[User:Optimus35/MS|timus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|Can you see this?]] 07:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::No, the PEAK is the snowy part on the way to Spear Pillar. [[User:Babyg|Babyg]] 00:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The page is conflicting, it says None in Game Locations for D/P, yet in Trivia it says it is found on Mt. Coronet. That should be fixed. [[User:CrimsonCerberus|CrimsonCerberus]] 14:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Snowpoint City

2008-06-20T01:55:40Z

CrimsonCerberus:

Nosepass (Pokémon)

2008-05-29T23:04:33Z

CrimsonCerberus: /* In the anime */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Azurill | next=Skitty }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Nosepass |
jname=ノズパス |
tmname=Nosepass |
image=299Nosepass.png |
caption=Artwork from R/S/E |
ndex=299 |
hdex=060 |
adex=044 |
typen=1 |
type1=Rock |
type2= |
species=Compass |
height-ftin=3′03″ |
height-m=1.0 |
weight-lbs=213.8 |
weight-kg=97.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Sturdy |
ability2=Magnet Pull |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Mineral |
egggroup2= |
hatchsteps=5,120 |
effortyield=1 Def |
expyield=108 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Gray |
catchrate=255 |
pokefordex=nosepass |
generation=3 |
footnotes=}}
'''Nosepass''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ノズパス''' ''Nosepass'') is a {{type2|Rock}} Pokémon.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Nosepass are Pokémon composed of hard rock. They closely resemble statues of human heads, their most famous feature are their bright red noses, which are highly magnetic. They also have arms and legs, but don't appear to have any joints.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Its nose can function as an {{wp|electromagnet}} that points north.

===Behavior===
===Habitat===
[[Image:Cave.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Cave Pokémon|Cave Pokémon]]]]

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Nosepass1.JPG|190px|right|thumb|Roxanne's Nosepass]]
[[Roxanne]], the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Rustboro City]], has a {{TP|Roxanne|Nosepass}} which appeared in ''[[AG016|A Winner By a Nosepass]]''. It was used in a gym battle against [[Ash Ketchum]].

In ''[[AG182|Aipom and Circumstance]]'', a young man named [[Hank]] used his Nosepass to track down {{Ash}}'s missing {{AP|Aipom}}.

In ''[[DP058|Nosing 'Round The Mountain]]'', Ash battled a boy named [[Alan]] and his Nosepass at [[Mt. Coronet]]. The Nosepass then evolved into {{p|Probopass}}.

==In the manga==
[[Roxanne]]'s main Pokémon is a Nosepass. During her battle against {{Special|Sapphire}} she used Nosepass' Magnet Pull so that his {{p|Aron}} cannot be switched. She saves its Poké Ball inside a book.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Nosepass (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=rock
|gen=3
|rubydex=Nosepass's magnetic nose is always pointed to the north. If two of these Pokémon meet, they cannot turn their faces to each other when they are close because their magnetic noses repel one another.
|sapphiredex=Nosepass had been said to be completely unmoving, with its magnetic nose pointed due north. However, close observation has revealed that the Pokémon actually moves by a little over 3/8 of an inch every year.
|emeralddex=Its body emits a powerful magnetism. It feeds on prey that is pulled in by the force. Its magnetism is stronger in cold seasons.
|firereddex=Its magnetic nose consistently faces north. Travelers check Nosepass to get their bearings.
|leafgreendex=Its magnetic nose consistently faces north. Travelers check Nosepass to get their bearings.
|diamonddex=Its nose is a magnet. As a result, this Pokémon always keeps its face pointing north.
|pearldex=Its nose is a magnet. As a result, this Pokémon always keeps its face pointing north.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=rock |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=Common |
rsarea=[[Granite Cave]] (requires {{HM|06|Rock Smash}}) |
erarity=Common |
earea=[[Granite Cave]] (requires {{HM|06|Rock Smash}}) |
xdrarity=One |
xdarea=[[Phenac Stadium]] ([[Shadow Pokémon|Shadow]]) |
dprarity=Swarm |
dparea={{rt|206}} |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{rock color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire]]
| Cave
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Endless Level 44 Forever Level 9 Pair Trozei Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]
| [[Frosty Forest]] (3F-6F) [[Desert Region]] (1F-6F) [[Oddity Cave]] (B11-B12)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger Batonnage]]
| [[The Beach Cave]]
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats|
HP=30 |
Attack=45 |
Defense=135 |
SpAtk=45 |
SpDef=90 |
Speed=30 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
Normal= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{| align="center"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{rock color}};"
! colspan="3" | [[Generation III]]
|- style="background: #{{rock color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
|-
| Start || {{M|Tackle}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| 7 || {{M|Harden}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| 13 || '''{{M|Rock Throw}}''' || {{ic|Rock}}
|-
| 16 || {{M|Block}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|-
| 22 || {{M|Thunder Wave}} || {{ic|electric}}
|-
| 28 || '''{{M|Rock Slide}}''' || {{ic|Rock}}
|-
| 31 || {{M|Sandstorm}} || {{ic|Rock}}
|-
| 37 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|Psychic}}
|-
| 43 || {{M|Zap Cannon}} || {{ic|electric}}
|-
| 46 || {{M|Lock-On}} || {{ic|Normal}}
|}

| valign="top" |
{| border=1 align="center" style="background: #f8f8f8; border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{rock color}};"
! colspan="4" | [[Generation IV]]
|- style="background: #{{rock color}};"
! [[Level]]
! [[Move]]
! [[Type]]
! [[Damage category|Cat.]]
|-
| Start || {{M|Tackle}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 7 || {{M|Harden}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 13 || '''{{M|Rock Throw}}''' || {{ic|Rock}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 19 || {{M|Block}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 25 || {{M|Thunder Wave}} || {{ic|electric}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 31 || '''{{M|Rock Slide}}''' || {{ic|Rock}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 37 || {{M|Sandstorm}} || {{ic|Rock}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 43 || {{M|Rest}} || {{ic|Psychic}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 49 || {{M|Discharge}} || {{ic|electric}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| 55 || '''{{M|Stone Edge}}''' || {{ic|Rock}} || {{ic|Physical}}
|-
| 61 || {{M|Zap Cannon}} || {{ic|electric}} || {{ic|Special}}
|-
| 67 || {{M|Lock-On}} || {{ic|Normal}} || {{ic|Status}}
|-
| 73 || {{M|Earth Power}} || {{ic|Ground}} || {{ic|Special}}
|}
|}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{rock color}};"
! # || [[Generation III]] || [[Generation IV]]
|-
| TM06 || {{M|Toxic}} || {{M|Toxic}}
|-
| TM10 || {{M|Hidden Power}} || {{M|Hidden Power}}
|-
| TM11 || {{M|Sunny Day}} || {{M|Sunny Day}}
|-
| TM12 || {{M|Taunt}} || {{M|Taunt}}
|-
| TM17 || {{M|Protect}} || {{M|Protect}}
|-
| TM21 || {{M|Frustration}} || {{M|Frustration}}
|-
| TM24 || {{M|Thunderbolt}} || {{M|Thunderbolt}}
|-
| TM25 || {{M|Thunder}} || {{M|Thunder}}
|-
| TM26 || {{M|Earthquake}} || {{M|Earthquake}}
|-
| TM27 || {{M|Return}} || {{M|Return}}
|-
| TM32 || {{M|Double Team}} || {{M|Double Team}}
|-
| TM34 || {{M|Shock Wave}} || {{M|Shock Wave}}
|-
| TM37 || {{M|Sandstorm}} || {{M|Sandstorm}}
|-
| TM39 || '''{{M|Rock Tomb}}''' || '''{{M|Rock Tomb}}'''
|-
| TM41 || {{M|Torment}} || {{M|Torment}}
|-
| TM42 || {{M|Facade}} || {{M|Facade}}
|-
| TM43 || {{M|Secret Power}} || {{M|Secret Power}}
|-
| TM44 || {{M|Rest}} || {{M|Rest}}
|-
| TM45 || {{M|Attract}} || {{M|Attract}}
|-
| TM58 || || {{M|Endure}}
|-
| TM64 || || {{M|Explosion}}
|-
| TM69 || || {{M|Rock Polish}}
|-
| TM71 || || '''{{M|Stone Edge}}'''
|-
| TM73 || || {{M|Thunder Wave}}
|-
| TM76 || || {{M|Stealth Rock}}
|-
| TM78 || || {{M|Captivate}}
|-
| TM80 || || '''{{M|Rock Slide}}'''
|-
| TM82 || || {{M|Sleep Talk}}
|-
| TM83 || || {{M|Natural Gift}}
|-
| TM87 || || {{M|Swagger}}
|-
| TM90 || || {{M|Substitute}}
|-
| HM04 || {{M|Strength}} || {{M|Strength}}
|-
| HM06 || {{M|Rock Smash}} || {{M|Rock Smash}}
|}

====By [[breeding]]====
*{{M|Block}}
*{{M|Double-Edge}}
*{{M|Explosion}}
*{{M|Magnitude}}
*'''{{M|Rollout}}'''

====By tutoring====
====Special moves====
In [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]], Nosepass knows {{m|Shadow Mist}} and {{m|Shadow Wave}} as a [[Shadow Pokémon]], and learns {{m|Helping Hand}} after being [[Purification|purified]].

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=rock |
ndex=299 |
PinRScatch=yes |
HC=C |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=7.4% |
area=Echo Cave |
P1= This nose is a magnet! |
P2= Hmm... I think my health has fallen to about halfway. |
P3= I can't take much more... Even my nose is losing magnetism... |
PL= OK! I went up a level! I can pinpoint north now! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Rock |
typeA2= Rock |
field2= Crush x2 |
}}

==Evolution==
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{{EvoChart Box|
text=Basic |
image=299.png |
name=Nosepass }}
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{{EvoChart Box|
text=Level up at Mt. Coronet |
image=476.png |
name=Probopass }}
|}

==Sprites==
{{Sprite|
type=rock|
gen=3|
gender=none|
ndex=299|
name=Nosepass|
}}

==Trivia==
*Nosepass's entry on the Pokémon.com Pokédex shows it as not having any evolution. {{p|Probopass}}'s entry shows that it evolves from Nosepass, but Nosepass's picture is not there. The same thing happens with {{p|Yanma}} and {{p|Yanmega}}.
===Origin===
It is probably based on the {{wp|Moai}} statues of {{wp|Easter Island}}.

====Name origin====
Nosepass's name may be a combination of ''nose'' and ''{{wp|compass}}''.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Nasgnet - Derived from ''nase'' (= nose) and ''magnet.''
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Tarinor
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 코코파스 ''Cocopass''

==Related articles==
* [[Roxanne's Nosepass]]

==External links==
*[[wp:Nosepass|Article on Wikipedia]]

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