https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=Chrisbulb 2026-06-22T21:14:31Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.43.8 https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battle_Tree&diff=2670268 2017-07-22T17:13:23Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Mega Stones from Red */</p> <hr /> <div>I assume old generation list of banned Pokémon also applies to Battle Tree?<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;background:#505050; border:2px solid #6f6f6f; margin:auto; text-align:center&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundytl|5px}}&quot; | {{MSP|150|Mewtwo}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Mewtwo}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|151|Mew}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Mew}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|249|Lugia}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Lugia}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|250|Ho-Oh}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Ho-Oh}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|251|Celebi}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Celebi}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|382|Kyogre}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Kyogre}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|383|Groudon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Groudon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|384|Rayquaza}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundytr|5px}}&quot; | {{p|Rayquaza}}<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{MSP|385|Jirachi}}<br /> | {{p|Jirachi}}<br /> | {{MSP|386|Deoxys}}<br /> | {{p|Deoxys}}<br /> | {{MSP|483|Dialga}}<br /> | {{p|Dialga}}<br /> | {{MSP|484|Palkia}}<br /> | {{p|Palkia}}<br /> | {{MSP|487|Giratina}}<br /> | {{p|Giratina}}<br /> | {{MSP|489|Phione}}<br /> | {{p|Phione}}<br /> | {{MSP|490|Manaphy}}<br /> | {{p|Manaphy}}<br /> | {{MSP|491|Darkrai}}<br /> | {{p|Darkrai}}<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{MSP|492|Shaymin}}<br /> | {{p|Shaymin}}<br /> | {{MSP|493|Arceus}}<br /> | {{p|Arceus}}<br /> | {{MSP|494|Victini}}<br /> | {{p|Victini}}<br /> | {{MSP|643|Reshiram}}<br /> | {{p|Reshiram}}<br /> | {{MSP|644|Zekrom}}<br /> | {{p|Zekrom}}<br /> | {{MSP|646|Kyurem}}<br /> | {{p|Kyurem}}<br /> | {{MSP|647|Keldeo}}<br /> | {{p|Keldeo}}<br /> | {{MSP|648|Meloetta}}<br /> | {{p|Meloetta}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}&quot; | {{MSP|649|Genesect}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Genesect}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|716|Xerneas}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Xerneas}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|717|Yveltal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Yveltal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|718|Zygarde}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Zygarde}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|719|Diancie}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Diancie}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|720|Hoopa}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Hoopa}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|721|Volcanion}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Volcanion}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MS|Egg|Pokémon Egg}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{pkmn|Egg}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> --[[User:Ddhelmet|Ddhelmet]] ([[User talk:Ddhelmet|talk]]) 10:25, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> ---Never mind,I saw the Battle Tree edit.--[[User:Ddhelmet|Ddhelmet]] ([[User talk:Ddhelmet|talk]]) 10:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Anabel ==<br /> <br /> Can Anabel show up here before you meet her during the UB Missions? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 6 March 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Stones from Red for Defeating Him ==<br /> <br /> I have a question about obtaining the Mega Stones from Red after defeating him in Battle Tree.<br /> <br /> Can I obtain them if I defeat Red in the 20th Multi Battle (alongside Blue) or do I have to defeat him in the 20th Single Battle?<br /> --[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 17:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battle_Tree&diff=2670267 2017-07-22T17:12:28Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Mega Stones from Red */</p> <hr /> <div>I assume old generation list of banned Pokémon also applies to Battle Tree?<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;background:#505050; border:2px solid #6f6f6f; margin:auto; text-align:center&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundytl|5px}}&quot; | {{MSP|150|Mewtwo}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Mewtwo}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|151|Mew}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Mew}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|249|Lugia}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Lugia}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|250|Ho-Oh}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Ho-Oh}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|251|Celebi}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Celebi}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|382|Kyogre}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Kyogre}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|383|Groudon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Groudon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|384|Rayquaza}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundytr|5px}}&quot; | {{p|Rayquaza}}<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{MSP|385|Jirachi}}<br /> | {{p|Jirachi}}<br /> | {{MSP|386|Deoxys}}<br /> | {{p|Deoxys}}<br /> | {{MSP|483|Dialga}}<br /> | {{p|Dialga}}<br /> | {{MSP|484|Palkia}}<br /> | {{p|Palkia}}<br /> | {{MSP|487|Giratina}}<br /> | {{p|Giratina}}<br /> | {{MSP|489|Phione}}<br /> | {{p|Phione}}<br /> | {{MSP|490|Manaphy}}<br /> | {{p|Manaphy}}<br /> | {{MSP|491|Darkrai}}<br /> | {{p|Darkrai}}<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{MSP|492|Shaymin}}<br /> | {{p|Shaymin}}<br /> | {{MSP|493|Arceus}}<br /> | {{p|Arceus}}<br /> | {{MSP|494|Victini}}<br /> | {{p|Victini}}<br /> | {{MSP|643|Reshiram}}<br /> | {{p|Reshiram}}<br /> | {{MSP|644|Zekrom}}<br /> | {{p|Zekrom}}<br /> | {{MSP|646|Kyurem}}<br /> | {{p|Kyurem}}<br /> | {{MSP|647|Keldeo}}<br /> | {{p|Keldeo}}<br /> | {{MSP|648|Meloetta}}<br /> | {{p|Meloetta}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}&quot; | {{MSP|649|Genesect}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Genesect}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|716|Xerneas}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Xerneas}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|717|Yveltal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Yveltal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|718|Zygarde}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Zygarde}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|719|Diancie}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Diancie}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|720|Hoopa}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Hoopa}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|721|Volcanion}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Volcanion}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MS|Egg|Pokémon Egg}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{pkmn|Egg}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> --[[User:Ddhelmet|Ddhelmet]] ([[User talk:Ddhelmet|talk]]) 10:25, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> ---Never mind,I saw the Battle Tree edit.--[[User:Ddhelmet|Ddhelmet]] ([[User talk:Ddhelmet|talk]]) 10:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Anabel ==<br /> <br /> Can Anabel show up here before you meet her during the UB Missions? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 6 March 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Stones from Red ==<br /> <br /> I have a question about obtaining the Mega Stones from Red after defeating him in Battle Tree.<br /> <br /> Can I obtain them if I defeat Red in the 20th Multi Battle (alongside Blue) or do I have to defeat him in the 20th Single Battle?<br /> --[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 17:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battle_Tree&diff=2670266 2017-07-22T17:11:32Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Mega Stones from Red */</p> <hr /> <div>I assume old generation list of banned Pokémon also applies to Battle Tree?<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;background:#505050; border:2px solid #6f6f6f; margin:auto; text-align:center&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundytl|5px}}&quot; | {{MSP|150|Mewtwo}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Mewtwo}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|151|Mew}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Mew}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|249|Lugia}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Lugia}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|250|Ho-Oh}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Ho-Oh}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|251|Celebi}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Celebi}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|382|Kyogre}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Kyogre}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|383|Groudon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Groudon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|384|Rayquaza}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundytr|5px}}&quot; | {{p|Rayquaza}}<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{MSP|385|Jirachi}}<br /> | {{p|Jirachi}}<br /> | {{MSP|386|Deoxys}}<br /> | {{p|Deoxys}}<br /> | {{MSP|483|Dialga}}<br /> | {{p|Dialga}}<br /> | {{MSP|484|Palkia}}<br /> | {{p|Palkia}}<br /> | {{MSP|487|Giratina}}<br /> | {{p|Giratina}}<br /> | {{MSP|489|Phione}}<br /> | {{p|Phione}}<br /> | {{MSP|490|Manaphy}}<br /> | {{p|Manaphy}}<br /> | {{MSP|491|Darkrai}}<br /> | {{p|Darkrai}}<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{MSP|492|Shaymin}}<br /> | {{p|Shaymin}}<br /> | {{MSP|493|Arceus}}<br /> | {{p|Arceus}}<br /> | {{MSP|494|Victini}}<br /> | {{p|Victini}}<br /> | {{MSP|643|Reshiram}}<br /> | {{p|Reshiram}}<br /> | {{MSP|644|Zekrom}}<br /> | {{p|Zekrom}}<br /> | {{MSP|646|Kyurem}}<br /> | {{p|Kyurem}}<br /> | {{MSP|647|Keldeo}}<br /> | {{p|Keldeo}}<br /> | {{MSP|648|Meloetta}}<br /> | {{p|Meloetta}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}&quot; | {{MSP|649|Genesect}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Genesect}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|716|Xerneas}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Xerneas}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|717|Yveltal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Yveltal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|718|Zygarde}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Zygarde}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|719|Diancie}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Diancie}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|720|Hoopa}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Hoopa}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|721|Volcanion}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Volcanion}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MS|Egg|Pokémon Egg}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{pkmn|Egg}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> --[[User:Ddhelmet|Ddhelmet]] ([[User talk:Ddhelmet|talk]]) 10:25, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> ---Never mind,I saw the Battle Tree edit.--[[User:Ddhelmet|Ddhelmet]] ([[User talk:Ddhelmet|talk]]) 10:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Anabel ==<br /> <br /> Can Anabel show up here before you meet her during the UB Missions? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 6 March 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Stones from Red ==<br /> <br /> I have a question about obtaining the Mega Stones from Red after defeating him in Battle Tree.<br /> <br /> Can I obtain them if I defeat Red in the 20th Multi Battle (alongside Blue) or do I have to defeat him in the 20th Single Battle?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 17:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battle_Tree&diff=2670263 2017-07-22T17:10:54Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Mega Stones from Red */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>I assume old generation list of banned Pokémon also applies to Battle Tree?<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;background:#505050; border:2px solid #6f6f6f; margin:auto; text-align:center&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundytl|5px}}&quot; | {{MSP|150|Mewtwo}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Mewtwo}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|151|Mew}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Mew}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|249|Lugia}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Lugia}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|250|Ho-Oh}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Ho-Oh}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|251|Celebi}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Celebi}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|382|Kyogre}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Kyogre}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|383|Groudon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Groudon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|384|Rayquaza}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundytr|5px}}&quot; | {{p|Rayquaza}}<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{MSP|385|Jirachi}}<br /> | {{p|Jirachi}}<br /> | {{MSP|386|Deoxys}}<br /> | {{p|Deoxys}}<br /> | {{MSP|483|Dialga}}<br /> | {{p|Dialga}}<br /> | {{MSP|484|Palkia}}<br /> | {{p|Palkia}}<br /> | {{MSP|487|Giratina}}<br /> | {{p|Giratina}}<br /> | {{MSP|489|Phione}}<br /> | {{p|Phione}}<br /> | {{MSP|490|Manaphy}}<br /> | {{p|Manaphy}}<br /> | {{MSP|491|Darkrai}}<br /> | {{p|Darkrai}}<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{MSP|492|Shaymin}}<br /> | {{p|Shaymin}}<br /> | {{MSP|493|Arceus}}<br /> | {{p|Arceus}}<br /> | {{MSP|494|Victini}}<br /> | {{p|Victini}}<br /> | {{MSP|643|Reshiram}}<br /> | {{p|Reshiram}}<br /> | {{MSP|644|Zekrom}}<br /> | {{p|Zekrom}}<br /> | {{MSP|646|Kyurem}}<br /> | {{p|Kyurem}}<br /> | {{MSP|647|Keldeo}}<br /> | {{p|Keldeo}}<br /> | {{MSP|648|Meloetta}}<br /> | {{p|Meloetta}}<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}&quot; | {{MSP|649|Genesect}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Genesect}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|716|Xerneas}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Xerneas}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|717|Yveltal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Yveltal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|718|Zygarde}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Zygarde}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|719|Diancie}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Diancie}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|720|Hoopa}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Hoopa}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MSP|721|Volcanion}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{p|Volcanion}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{MS|Egg|Pokémon Egg}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{pkmn|Egg}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> --[[User:Ddhelmet|Ddhelmet]] ([[User talk:Ddhelmet|talk]]) 10:25, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> ---Never mind,I saw the Battle Tree edit.--[[User:Ddhelmet|Ddhelmet]] ([[User talk:Ddhelmet|talk]]) 10:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Anabel ==<br /> <br /> Can Anabel show up here before you meet her during the UB Missions? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 6 March 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Stones from Red ==<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 17:10, 22 July 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I have a question about obtaining the Mega Stones from Red after defeating him in Battle Tree.<br /> <br /> Can I obtain them if I defeat Red in the 20th Multi Battle (alongside Blue) or do I have to defeat him in the 20th Single Battle?</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Torracat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2530303 2016-11-06T17:19:43Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Grammar Error on &quot;Origin&quot; Section */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> == Name origin ==<br /> <br /> I think the &quot;Torra-&quot; in Torracat comes from &quot;tora&quot; ( 虎 ), the Japanese word for &quot;tiger&quot;, as it's feline and has stripes all over. Nyahiito may derive from &quot;nya&quot;, the onomatopoeic Japanese &quot;meow&quot; (also derives from Litten's Japanese name &quot;Nyabbi&quot;), &quot;hi&quot; ( 火 ), Japanese for &quot;fire&quot;, and the English word &quot;heat&quot;.<br /> [[User:DecafSnorlax|DecafSnorlax]] ([[User talk:DecafSnorlax|talk]]) 14:13, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> German Name origin. Mieze 'Moggy' and Zunder 'Tinder'. That is all. [[User:CzarTyrant|CzarTyrant]] ([[User talk:CzarTyrant|talk]]) 14:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::: Torr&lt;nowiki&gt;:&lt;/nowiki&gt; A unit of pressure equivalent to 1 mm of mercury in a barometer and equal to 133.32 pascals.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::: Torrefy&lt;nowiki&gt;:&lt;/nowiki&gt; Roast, scorch, or dry (a substance such as an ore, a drug, or a fuel) with heat to drive off all moisture or impurities.<br /> ‘torrefying wood loses 30% of the mass but only 10% of the energy. Origin<br /> Early 17th century: from French torréfier, from Latin torrefacere dry by heat, from torrere parch, scorch. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:47, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Could also come from the word torrid, meaning really hot when referring to weather. That was my first thought when I saw the name![[User:Magentafeelings|Magentafeelings]] ([[User talk:Magentafeelings|talk]]) 20:18, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> I believe Nyaohiteu (the Korean name) is also a partial transliteration of &quot;Nyahiito&quot; (the Japanese one). It starts with the Hangul letters 냐 (nya) as opposed to 야 (ya) (which would be from 야옹 (''ya''ong).<br /> [[User:DecafSnorlax|DecafSnorlax]] ([[User talk:DecafSnorlax|talk]]) 11:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :&quot;Torra&quot; is also similar to the Portuguese verb &quot;torrar&quot; (meaning &quot;to roast&quot;). [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 00:17, 11 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think its also a play on the word Tomcat. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:13, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Russian name ==<br /> <br /> The Russian name of Torracat is Торракат.--[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 15:28, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Origin of French Name==<br /> <br /> The french could also come from the phrase &quot;m'as-tu-vu&quot;, which is a show off. --[[User:Unbirth|Unbirth]] ([[User talk:Unbirth|talk]]) 20:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Grammar Error on &quot;Origin&quot; Section ==<br /> <br /> I noticed a grammatical error in Torracat's origin page.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> It should be '''Torracat may be based on both the common house cat and a tiger cub.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 00:59, 6 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Thank you for fixing it.[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 17:19, 6 November 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Decidueye_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2530301 2016-11-06T17:18:07Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact */</p> <hr /> <div>== Name origin ==<br /> Decidueye comes from deciduous and eye.[[User:Ashitic|Ashitic]] ([[User talk:Ashitic|talk]]) 13:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It also likely draws inspiration from the term &quot;deadeye&quot; used in reference an expert marksman. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::To expand upon this its Japanese name is ジュナイパー, or Junaipaa. Probably draws from jukai (abundant leafage) and sniper, though I wonder what it'll be officially romanized to since Juniper is literally the name of a type of plant. --[[User:TheMaskedMeowth|TheMaskedMeowth]] ([[User talk:TheMaskedMeowth|talk]]) 15:00, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::To further expand, I think the inspiration for Decidueye's questionable typing lies in its name and appearance. Its cloak is brown, like a dead leaf, and &quot;deciduous&quot; refers to leaves that fall from shrubs and trees when they've matured and died (after which they become brown). The Ghost-typing (in place of the Flying-type) is a reference to dead leaves. Just thought I'd share in case anyone was confused. &lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;BNK&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:57, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Funny thing about the &quot;{{wp|deadeye}}&quot; inspiration, I thought it was more &quot;{{wp|hawkeye}}&quot;. &lt;small&gt;That's what I get for being into {{wp|Hawkeye (comics)|comic books}} too much.&lt;/small&gt; I guess either works, when you think about it. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 20:19, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> &quot;Decidueye is an avian Pokemon closely resembling an owl. Its most prominent feature is a green, leafy hood that covers its head and shoulders. A pale cream-colored feather with a red-orange base extends from the top of the hood. Beneath this cowl, its head is black with a hooked beak and a pale chin, and it has red-orange, spectacle-like markings on its face. Its large eyes have golden-brown irises and red pupils. The hood also features a four-pointed, red-orange leaf below the chin and two leaf-tipped vines that act as drawstrings. Decidueye can use one of these vines as a bowstring to launch arrow quills. The arrows are stored in its wings, which are large and light brown with whitish spots on the uppersides. The red-orange points of the arrow quills are visible in a row along the underside of each wing. The ends of the wings have three pale-tipped feathers which act as fingers, allowing it to grasp the bowstring and nock arrows to attack. The tail consists of three leaves growing from its back. The body is cream-colored with fluffy feathers on the breast and long, powerful legs that are fully feathered. The feet have four sharp talons in a zygodactyl configuration, with two toes forward and two back.<br /> <br /> This Pokemon is able to completely mask its presence as it moves around. When it finds an opening, it can draw, nock, and fire an arrow quill in as little as a tenth of a second. The arrows fly with astounding speed and amazing precision, piercing targets from over a half-mile away. Skilled Decidueye are capable of launching curved trick shots, attacking with arrows that soar skyward and drill down from above, striking multiple targets. Although it usually acts very cool, unexpected situations like surprise attacks can leave it terribly flustered.&quot; [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Decidueye's Weight ==<br /> <br /> Decidueye is now the lightest final starter evolution. It takes this place from Delphox. [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 20:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I hate to add onto this, but I believe that this should be added to the Trivia section of Decidueye's page. [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 06:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Origin ==<br /> <br /> Although it's currently listed as possibly being inspired by an archer and a barn owl, might it instead be based off a pueo? Pueo are owls only found in Hawaii and are notable for having a white ring around their dark faces, resembling a hood. They have a notable significance in traditional Hawaiian culture, and is one of the forms of the god Kane. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 23:47, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That could be a possibility, though there have been plenty of starters that are based on animals that arguably aren't found in the country/part of the world their [[region]] is based off of let alone many Pokémon introduced in a region that isn't based on their real world habitat. If anything, I would think that the possibility that Decidueye is based on a {{wp|pueo}} would go along side the barn owl bit. But that's just me. Also one can fit the pueo inspiration into its {{t|Ghost}} typing, since the pueo is associated with the Hawaiian spirits known as {{wp|aumakua}}. But then again that might be something that was more meant for the [[Guardian deities]] like [[Tapu Koko]]----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 00:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Another idea, might be crazy, {{wp|stilt-owl}}, they are an extinct owl from Hawaii. Though Decidueye is a {{t|Ghost}} type, not {{t|Rock}}. But like I said, just a crazy idea to add to all this. Take it how you will. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 01:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::No one has any idea what stilt-owls ever looked like, really. But Rowlet's family looks pretty well like a barn owl. If your only connections are &quot;They're owls and they're from Hawaii&quot;...consider looking harder (or just forever nursing the theory in your heart of hearts =P ). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::No, I see no reason not to mention stilt-owls. Decidueye lacks a barn owl's very distinctive face. There's no indication in either the name or the lore that it's specifically a barn owl. It seems to be a mix of a couple of different owl species, or no owl in particular, as opposed to one specific species. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:59, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Heh. Hey, as I said, it was just a crazy idea I thought I'd add to [[User talk:Mimi|Mimi]]'s {{wp|pueo}} theory. *shrugs* ;) As far as I'm concerned at the moment, Decidueye is an {{wp|archer}}-{{wp|owl}} that may or maynot tie into {{tt|some sort of Hawaiian lore|concerning its sudden Ghost typing}}. That last part is just {{tt|a self-justification on its typing|as I said}} and is basically a &quot;{{tt|WIP|work in progress}}&quot;, as I'll just wait and see what else happens. ;) If there are any &quot;dots&quot; that will be connected or the like, then &quot;cool-beans&quot;. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 02:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm seeing rumors crop up on Twitter that Decidueye is based on the [[wp:stilt-owl]], an ancient owl that was native to Hawaii, but went extinct some time between Hawaii's initial colonization by what are now native Hawaiians and the arrival of Europeans. They are only known today from fossil record. --[[User:Macsen|Macsen]] ([[User talk:Macsen|talk]]) 13:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> It could be possible that Decidueye's design may have been inspired by the {{wp|Ornimegalonyx}}, or the Cuban Giant Owl. This prehistoric owl is noted for its long, powerful legs, a trait that is likely seen with Decidueye's design and description of speed. And as these owls are flightless birds, it can also explain how Decidueye loses its flying typing. ([[User:BizarreJoDo|BizarreJoDo]] ([[User talk:BizarreJoDo|talk]]) 19:07, 28 October 2016 (UTC))<br /> <br /> Maybe it's Ghost Typing could come from the evil owl spirit La Lechuza in Mexican folklore. She was an old woman who was murdered by a group of townspeople that considered her a &quot;witch&quot; who now comes back in the form of an owl to attack those who wronged her. A more light hearted basis could be on Santa Muerte (Holy Death) a revered figure of death in Mexican folklore who acts as a protector, healer, and helps with travel into the afterlife. She is often depicted with an owl, as owls are her messengers, and it is even believed that if someone hears the cry of an owl, than death is soon to come. Santa Muerte then guides the soul of the person who died into the afterlife. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 15:53, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Gaijin Goombah is not a reliable frame of reference. Nor is any YouTuber's observation and/or opinion on game design. It has nothing to do with Mexico.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Sorry, just trying to help. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 16:12, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I honestly didn't know that it wasn't reliable. While I do agree with him, I'll try to remember not to post anything else from him on this site. Sorry for the inconvenience.[[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 16:14, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::As far as any frame of reference or any source, it is best to stick with primarily the official information that comes straight from {{tt|the designers themselves or Nintendo or Game Freak|i.e. an official announcement from the Pokémon website or something like that}}. Best to avoid any fan-theories from Twitter, a Youtuber, or the like. I mean looking at sources like {{tt|Wikipedia|cautiously, of course, as like this site, people can just edit in something random}} or just a more {{tt|creditable source|question is, what would be considered 'creditable'? IDK, I digress}} is obviously alright. Also, [[User talk:Logo7|Logo]], when replying to someone directly like that, try to use a &quot;:&quot; in front of your reply to indent it. Anyway, for now, Decidueye is based off of {{tt|a species|or more species}} of {{wp|owl}} and an {{wp|archer}}. I'd say that being a {{t|Ghost}} type has at least to do with how {{wp|aumakua|Hawaiians perceive/portray owls in their culture}} but that maybe pushing it as far as me trying to avoid adding {{tt|speculation|best to avoid speculation here}}. And [[User talk:Macsen|Macsen]], I already mentioned the {{wp|stilt-owl}} in my statement a bit above yours and really as I concluded, that seems to be more of a {{tt|[[fossil]]-like scenario anyway|yes, I know Chikorita and Tropius seem to be based off of extinct animals like sauropods, but I still say it might be a stretch, look I already said what I needed to say earlier, just read the conversation from the beginning...}}. Btw, try using two &quot;{&quot;s and &quot;}&quot;s when linking to Wikipedia via template, you won't be stuck with a &quot;wp:&quot; in front. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 19:13, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Although, to be fair, I did know what La Lechuza was before watching that video, I only just made the connection after it. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 19:20, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Could there be some inspiration from Robin Hood? Other than the obvious hood thing, robin hood lived in Sherwood forest (type contribution) and was a famous archer who was stealthy enough to evade capture and rob many of their riches like he was a ghost. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fully Evolved Alola Starters and Mallow leaked ==<br /> <br /> Can someone who can edit this page add this to the Trivia section?<br /> <br /> *On June 4th, 2016, [http://66.media.tumblr.com/0250e03bd66ab9ca99dc62e78ecf5d7b/tumblr_o8adnyxaSF1qhkgqso1_540.jpg official confidential art] featuring Decidueye, {{p|Incineroar}}, {{p|Primarina}}, and [[Mallow]] was leaked on the internet. This leak happened 145 days before the Fully Evolved Alola Starters' official reveal on October 27, 2016.<br /> <br /> Here are my sources. http://www.pokecommunity.com/archive/index.php/t-370057.html &lt;nowiki&gt;http://66.media.tumblr.com/0250e03bd66ab9ca99dc62e78ecf5d7b/tumblr_o8adnyxaSF1qhkgqso1_540.jpg&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 00:07, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Archduke ==<br /> The French name is also likely a reference to the word &quot;Archduke&quot; {{unsigned|Chuckwoodjohn}}<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> I thought of a good trivia fact.<br /> <br /> '''Decidueye is the first starter Pokémon to change one of its types upon evolution.''' <br /> It went from Grass/Flying to Grass/Ghost.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 00:52, 6 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I thought about that, but considering that Rowlet is only the second starter Pokémon to start with two types (after Bulbasaur), it's not like there was a &quot;trend&quot; of dual-type starter Pokémon keeping both types in the first place. I dunno. —[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 15:10, 6 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You know how a duel type starter like Bulbasaur keeps its type combination throughout its entire evolutionary line, Rowlet changes its secondary typing when it evolves into its final stage. This is the first time this has happened to a starter Pokémon.<br /> <br /> Here is another thing about adding to that trivia fact: '''Decidueye is the first starter Pokémon to change one of its types upon evolution, not counting Mega Evolution.'''<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 17:18, 6 November 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Torracat_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2529985 2016-11-06T00:59:06Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Grammar Error on &quot;Origin&quot; Section */ new section</p> <hr /> <div><br /> == Name origin ==<br /> <br /> I think the &quot;Torra-&quot; in Torracat comes from &quot;tora&quot; ( 虎 ), the Japanese word for &quot;tiger&quot;, as it's feline and has stripes all over. Nyahiito may derive from &quot;nya&quot;, the onomatopoeic Japanese &quot;meow&quot; (also derives from Litten's Japanese name &quot;Nyabbi&quot;), &quot;hi&quot; ( 火 ), Japanese for &quot;fire&quot;, and the English word &quot;heat&quot;.<br /> [[User:DecafSnorlax|DecafSnorlax]] ([[User talk:DecafSnorlax|talk]]) 14:13, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> German Name origin. Mieze 'Moggy' and Zunder 'Tinder'. That is all. [[User:CzarTyrant|CzarTyrant]] ([[User talk:CzarTyrant|talk]]) 14:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::: Torr&lt;nowiki&gt;:&lt;/nowiki&gt; A unit of pressure equivalent to 1 mm of mercury in a barometer and equal to 133.32 pascals.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::: Torrefy&lt;nowiki&gt;:&lt;/nowiki&gt; Roast, scorch, or dry (a substance such as an ore, a drug, or a fuel) with heat to drive off all moisture or impurities.<br /> ‘torrefying wood loses 30% of the mass but only 10% of the energy. Origin<br /> Early 17th century: from French torréfier, from Latin torrefacere dry by heat, from torrere parch, scorch. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:47, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Could also come from the word torrid, meaning really hot when referring to weather. That was my first thought when I saw the name![[User:Magentafeelings|Magentafeelings]] ([[User talk:Magentafeelings|talk]]) 20:18, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> I believe Nyaohiteu (the Korean name) is also a partial transliteration of &quot;Nyahiito&quot; (the Japanese one). It starts with the Hangul letters 냐 (nya) as opposed to 야 (ya) (which would be from 야옹 (''ya''ong).<br /> [[User:DecafSnorlax|DecafSnorlax]] ([[User talk:DecafSnorlax|talk]]) 11:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :&quot;Torra&quot; is also similar to the Portuguese verb &quot;torrar&quot; (meaning &quot;to roast&quot;). [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 00:17, 11 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think its also a play on the word Tomcat. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:13, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Russian name ==<br /> <br /> The Russian name of Torracat is Торракат.--[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 15:28, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Origin of French Name==<br /> <br /> The french could also come from the phrase &quot;m'as-tu-vu&quot;, which is a show off. --[[User:Unbirth|Unbirth]] ([[User talk:Unbirth|talk]]) 20:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Grammar Error on &quot;Origin&quot; Section ==<br /> <br /> I noticed a grammatical error in Torracat's origin page.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> It should be '''Torracat may be based on both the common house cat and a tiger cub.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 00:59, 6 November 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Decidueye_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2529984 2016-11-06T00:52:57Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact */</p> <hr /> <div>== Name origin ==<br /> Decidueye comes from deciduous and eye.[[User:Ashitic|Ashitic]] ([[User talk:Ashitic|talk]]) 13:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It also likely draws inspiration from the term &quot;deadeye&quot; used in reference an expert marksman. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::To expand upon this its Japanese name is ジュナイパー, or Junaipaa. Probably draws from jukai (abundant leafage) and sniper, though I wonder what it'll be officially romanized to since Juniper is literally the name of a type of plant. --[[User:TheMaskedMeowth|TheMaskedMeowth]] ([[User talk:TheMaskedMeowth|talk]]) 15:00, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::To further expand, I think the inspiration for Decidueye's questionable typing lies in its name and appearance. Its cloak is brown, like a dead leaf, and &quot;deciduous&quot; refers to leaves that fall from shrubs and trees when they've matured and died (after which they become brown). The Ghost-typing (in place of the Flying-type) is a reference to dead leaves. Just thought I'd share in case anyone was confused. &lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;BNK&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:57, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Funny thing about the &quot;{{wp|deadeye}}&quot; inspiration, I thought it was more &quot;{{wp|hawkeye}}&quot;. &lt;small&gt;That's what I get for being into {{wp|Hawkeye (comics)|comic books}} too much.&lt;/small&gt; I guess either works, when you think about it. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 20:19, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> &quot;Decidueye is an avian Pokemon closely resembling an owl. Its most prominent feature is a green, leafy hood that covers its head and shoulders. A pale cream-colored feather with a red-orange base extends from the top of the hood. Beneath this cowl, its head is black with a hooked beak and a pale chin, and it has red-orange, spectacle-like markings on its face. Its large eyes have golden-brown irises and red pupils. The hood also features a four-pointed, red-orange leaf below the chin and two leaf-tipped vines that act as drawstrings. Decidueye can use one of these vines as a bowstring to launch arrow quills. The arrows are stored in its wings, which are large and light brown with whitish spots on the uppersides. The red-orange points of the arrow quills are visible in a row along the underside of each wing. The ends of the wings have three pale-tipped feathers which act as fingers, allowing it to grasp the bowstring and nock arrows to attack. The tail consists of three leaves growing from its back. The body is cream-colored with fluffy feathers on the breast and long, powerful legs that are fully feathered. The feet have four sharp talons in a zygodactyl configuration, with two toes forward and two back.<br /> <br /> This Pokemon is able to completely mask its presence as it moves around. When it finds an opening, it can draw, nock, and fire an arrow quill in as little as a tenth of a second. The arrows fly with astounding speed and amazing precision, piercing targets from over a half-mile away. Skilled Decidueye are capable of launching curved trick shots, attacking with arrows that soar skyward and drill down from above, striking multiple targets. Although it usually acts very cool, unexpected situations like surprise attacks can leave it terribly flustered.&quot; [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Decidueye's Weight ==<br /> <br /> Decidueye is now the lightest final starter evolution. It takes this place from Delphox. [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 20:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I hate to add onto this, but I believe that this should be added to the Trivia section of Decidueye's page. [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 06:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Origin ==<br /> <br /> Although it's currently listed as possibly being inspired by an archer and a barn owl, might it instead be based off a pueo? Pueo are owls only found in Hawaii and are notable for having a white ring around their dark faces, resembling a hood. They have a notable significance in traditional Hawaiian culture, and is one of the forms of the god Kane. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 23:47, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That could be a possibility, though there have been plenty of starters that are based on animals that arguably aren't found in the country/part of the world their [[region]] is based off of let alone many Pokémon introduced in a region that isn't based on their real world habitat. If anything, I would think that the possibility that Decidueye is based on a {{wp|pueo}} would go along side the barn owl bit. But that's just me. Also one can fit the pueo inspiration into its {{t|Ghost}} typing, since the pueo is associated with the Hawaiian spirits known as {{wp|aumakua}}. But then again that might be something that was more meant for the [[Guardian deities]] like [[Tapu Koko]]----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 00:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Another idea, might be crazy, {{wp|stilt-owl}}, they are an extinct owl from Hawaii. Though Decidueye is a {{t|Ghost}} type, not {{t|Rock}}. But like I said, just a crazy idea to add to all this. Take it how you will. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 01:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::No one has any idea what stilt-owls ever looked like, really. But Rowlet's family looks pretty well like a barn owl. If your only connections are &quot;They're owls and they're from Hawaii&quot;...consider looking harder (or just forever nursing the theory in your heart of hearts =P ). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::No, I see no reason not to mention stilt-owls. Decidueye lacks a barn owl's very distinctive face. There's no indication in either the name or the lore that it's specifically a barn owl. It seems to be a mix of a couple of different owl species, or no owl in particular, as opposed to one specific species. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:59, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Heh. Hey, as I said, it was just a crazy idea I thought I'd add to [[User talk:Mimi|Mimi]]'s {{wp|pueo}} theory. *shrugs* ;) As far as I'm concerned at the moment, Decidueye is an {{wp|archer}}-{{wp|owl}} that may or maynot tie into {{tt|some sort of Hawaiian lore|concerning its sudden Ghost typing}}. That last part is just {{tt|a self-justification on its typing|as I said}} and is basically a &quot;{{tt|WIP|work in progress}}&quot;, as I'll just wait and see what else happens. ;) If there are any &quot;dots&quot; that will be connected or the like, then &quot;cool-beans&quot;. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 02:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm seeing rumors crop up on Twitter that Decidueye is based on the [[wp:stilt-owl]], an ancient owl that was native to Hawaii, but went extinct some time between Hawaii's initial colonization by what are now native Hawaiians and the arrival of Europeans. They are only known today from fossil record. --[[User:Macsen|Macsen]] ([[User talk:Macsen|talk]]) 13:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> It could be possible that Decidueye's design may have been inspired by the {{wp|Ornimegalonyx}}, or the Cuban Giant Owl. This prehistoric owl is noted for its long, powerful legs, a trait that is likely seen with Decidueye's design and description of speed. And as these owls are flightless birds, it can also explain how Decidueye loses its flying typing. ([[User:BizarreJoDo|BizarreJoDo]] ([[User talk:BizarreJoDo|talk]]) 19:07, 28 October 2016 (UTC))<br /> <br /> Maybe it's Ghost Typing could come from the evil owl spirit La Lechuza in Mexican folklore. She was an old woman who was murdered by a group of townspeople that considered her a &quot;witch&quot; who now comes back in the form of an owl to attack those who wronged her. A more light hearted basis could be on Santa Muerte (Holy Death) a revered figure of death in Mexican folklore who acts as a protector, healer, and helps with travel into the afterlife. She is often depicted with an owl, as owls are her messengers, and it is even believed that if someone hears the cry of an owl, than death is soon to come. Santa Muerte then guides the soul of the person who died into the afterlife. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 15:53, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Gaijin Goombah is not a reliable frame of reference. Nor is any YouTuber's observation and/or opinion on game design. It has nothing to do with Mexico.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Sorry, just trying to help. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 16:12, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I honestly didn't know that it wasn't reliable. While I do agree with him, I'll try to remember not to post anything else from him on this site. Sorry for the inconvenience.[[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 16:14, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::As far as any frame of reference or any source, it is best to stick with primarily the official information that comes straight from {{tt|the designers themselves or Nintendo or Game Freak|i.e. an official announcement from the Pokémon website or something like that}}. Best to avoid any fan-theories from Twitter, a Youtuber, or the like. I mean looking at sources like {{tt|Wikipedia|cautiously, of course, as like this site, people can just edit in something random}} or just a more {{tt|creditable source|question is, what would be considered 'creditable'? IDK, I digress}} is obviously alright. Also, [[User talk:Logo7|Logo]], when replying to someone directly like that, try to use a &quot;:&quot; in front of your reply to indent it. Anyway, for now, Decidueye is based off of {{tt|a species|or more species}} of {{wp|owl}} and an {{wp|archer}}. I'd say that being a {{t|Ghost}} type has at least to do with how {{wp|aumakua|Hawaiians perceive/portray owls in their culture}} but that maybe pushing it as far as me trying to avoid adding {{tt|speculation|best to avoid speculation here}}. And [[User talk:Macsen|Macsen]], I already mentioned the {{wp|stilt-owl}} in my statement a bit above yours and really as I concluded, that seems to be more of a {{tt|[[fossil]]-like scenario anyway|yes, I know Chikorita and Tropius seem to be based off of extinct animals like sauropods, but I still say it might be a stretch, look I already said what I needed to say earlier, just read the conversation from the beginning...}}. Btw, try using two &quot;{&quot;s and &quot;}&quot;s when linking to Wikipedia via template, you won't be stuck with a &quot;wp:&quot; in front. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 19:13, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Although, to be fair, I did know what La Lechuza was before watching that video, I only just made the connection after it. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 19:20, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Could there be some inspiration from Robin Hood? Other than the obvious hood thing, robin hood lived in Sherwood forest (type contribution) and was a famous archer who was stealthy enough to evade capture and rob many of their riches like he was a ghost. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fully Evolved Alola Starters and Mallow leaked ==<br /> <br /> Can someone who can edit this page add this to the Trivia section?<br /> <br /> *On June 4th, 2016, [http://66.media.tumblr.com/0250e03bd66ab9ca99dc62e78ecf5d7b/tumblr_o8adnyxaSF1qhkgqso1_540.jpg official confidential art] featuring Decidueye, {{p|Incineroar}}, {{p|Primarina}}, and [[Mallow]] was leaked on the internet. This leak happened 145 days before the Fully Evolved Alola Starters' official reveal on October 27, 2016.<br /> <br /> Here are my sources. http://www.pokecommunity.com/archive/index.php/t-370057.html &lt;nowiki&gt;http://66.media.tumblr.com/0250e03bd66ab9ca99dc62e78ecf5d7b/tumblr_o8adnyxaSF1qhkgqso1_540.jpg&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 00:07, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Archduke ==<br /> The French name is also likely a reference to the word &quot;Archduke&quot; {{unsigned|Chuckwoodjohn}}<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> I thought of a good trivia fact.<br /> <br /> '''Decidueye is the first starter Pokémon to change one of its types upon evolution.''' <br /> It went from Grass/Flying to Grass/Ghost.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 00:52, 6 November 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Decidueye_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2529983 2016-11-06T00:52:36Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>== Name origin ==<br /> Decidueye comes from deciduous and eye.[[User:Ashitic|Ashitic]] ([[User talk:Ashitic|talk]]) 13:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It also likely draws inspiration from the term &quot;deadeye&quot; used in reference an expert marksman. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::To expand upon this its Japanese name is ジュナイパー, or Junaipaa. Probably draws from jukai (abundant leafage) and sniper, though I wonder what it'll be officially romanized to since Juniper is literally the name of a type of plant. --[[User:TheMaskedMeowth|TheMaskedMeowth]] ([[User talk:TheMaskedMeowth|talk]]) 15:00, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::To further expand, I think the inspiration for Decidueye's questionable typing lies in its name and appearance. Its cloak is brown, like a dead leaf, and &quot;deciduous&quot; refers to leaves that fall from shrubs and trees when they've matured and died (after which they become brown). The Ghost-typing (in place of the Flying-type) is a reference to dead leaves. Just thought I'd share in case anyone was confused. &lt;font face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;BNK&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:57, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Funny thing about the &quot;{{wp|deadeye}}&quot; inspiration, I thought it was more &quot;{{wp|hawkeye}}&quot;. &lt;small&gt;That's what I get for being into {{wp|Hawkeye (comics)|comic books}} too much.&lt;/small&gt; I guess either works, when you think about it. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 20:19, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> &quot;Decidueye is an avian Pokemon closely resembling an owl. Its most prominent feature is a green, leafy hood that covers its head and shoulders. A pale cream-colored feather with a red-orange base extends from the top of the hood. Beneath this cowl, its head is black with a hooked beak and a pale chin, and it has red-orange, spectacle-like markings on its face. Its large eyes have golden-brown irises and red pupils. The hood also features a four-pointed, red-orange leaf below the chin and two leaf-tipped vines that act as drawstrings. Decidueye can use one of these vines as a bowstring to launch arrow quills. The arrows are stored in its wings, which are large and light brown with whitish spots on the uppersides. The red-orange points of the arrow quills are visible in a row along the underside of each wing. The ends of the wings have three pale-tipped feathers which act as fingers, allowing it to grasp the bowstring and nock arrows to attack. The tail consists of three leaves growing from its back. The body is cream-colored with fluffy feathers on the breast and long, powerful legs that are fully feathered. The feet have four sharp talons in a zygodactyl configuration, with two toes forward and two back.<br /> <br /> This Pokemon is able to completely mask its presence as it moves around. When it finds an opening, it can draw, nock, and fire an arrow quill in as little as a tenth of a second. The arrows fly with astounding speed and amazing precision, piercing targets from over a half-mile away. Skilled Decidueye are capable of launching curved trick shots, attacking with arrows that soar skyward and drill down from above, striking multiple targets. Although it usually acts very cool, unexpected situations like surprise attacks can leave it terribly flustered.&quot; [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 14:53, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Decidueye's Weight ==<br /> <br /> Decidueye is now the lightest final starter evolution. It takes this place from Delphox. [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 20:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I hate to add onto this, but I believe that this should be added to the Trivia section of Decidueye's page. [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 06:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Origin ==<br /> <br /> Although it's currently listed as possibly being inspired by an archer and a barn owl, might it instead be based off a pueo? Pueo are owls only found in Hawaii and are notable for having a white ring around their dark faces, resembling a hood. They have a notable significance in traditional Hawaiian culture, and is one of the forms of the god Kane. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 23:47, 27 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That could be a possibility, though there have been plenty of starters that are based on animals that arguably aren't found in the country/part of the world their [[region]] is based off of let alone many Pokémon introduced in a region that isn't based on their real world habitat. If anything, I would think that the possibility that Decidueye is based on a {{wp|pueo}} would go along side the barn owl bit. But that's just me. Also one can fit the pueo inspiration into its {{t|Ghost}} typing, since the pueo is associated with the Hawaiian spirits known as {{wp|aumakua}}. But then again that might be something that was more meant for the [[Guardian deities]] like [[Tapu Koko]]----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 00:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Another idea, might be crazy, {{wp|stilt-owl}}, they are an extinct owl from Hawaii. Though Decidueye is a {{t|Ghost}} type, not {{t|Rock}}. But like I said, just a crazy idea to add to all this. Take it how you will. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 01:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::No one has any idea what stilt-owls ever looked like, really. But Rowlet's family looks pretty well like a barn owl. If your only connections are &quot;They're owls and they're from Hawaii&quot;...consider looking harder (or just forever nursing the theory in your heart of hearts =P ). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:37, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::No, I see no reason not to mention stilt-owls. Decidueye lacks a barn owl's very distinctive face. There's no indication in either the name or the lore that it's specifically a barn owl. It seems to be a mix of a couple of different owl species, or no owl in particular, as opposed to one specific species. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:59, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Heh. Hey, as I said, it was just a crazy idea I thought I'd add to [[User talk:Mimi|Mimi]]'s {{wp|pueo}} theory. *shrugs* ;) As far as I'm concerned at the moment, Decidueye is an {{wp|archer}}-{{wp|owl}} that may or maynot tie into {{tt|some sort of Hawaiian lore|concerning its sudden Ghost typing}}. That last part is just {{tt|a self-justification on its typing|as I said}} and is basically a &quot;{{tt|WIP|work in progress}}&quot;, as I'll just wait and see what else happens. ;) If there are any &quot;dots&quot; that will be connected or the like, then &quot;cool-beans&quot;. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 02:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm seeing rumors crop up on Twitter that Decidueye is based on the [[wp:stilt-owl]], an ancient owl that was native to Hawaii, but went extinct some time between Hawaii's initial colonization by what are now native Hawaiians and the arrival of Europeans. They are only known today from fossil record. --[[User:Macsen|Macsen]] ([[User talk:Macsen|talk]]) 13:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> It could be possible that Decidueye's design may have been inspired by the {{wp|Ornimegalonyx}}, or the Cuban Giant Owl. This prehistoric owl is noted for its long, powerful legs, a trait that is likely seen with Decidueye's design and description of speed. And as these owls are flightless birds, it can also explain how Decidueye loses its flying typing. ([[User:BizarreJoDo|BizarreJoDo]] ([[User talk:BizarreJoDo|talk]]) 19:07, 28 October 2016 (UTC))<br /> <br /> Maybe it's Ghost Typing could come from the evil owl spirit La Lechuza in Mexican folklore. She was an old woman who was murdered by a group of townspeople that considered her a &quot;witch&quot; who now comes back in the form of an owl to attack those who wronged her. A more light hearted basis could be on Santa Muerte (Holy Death) a revered figure of death in Mexican folklore who acts as a protector, healer, and helps with travel into the afterlife. She is often depicted with an owl, as owls are her messengers, and it is even believed that if someone hears the cry of an owl, than death is soon to come. Santa Muerte then guides the soul of the person who died into the afterlife. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 15:53, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Gaijin Goombah is not a reliable frame of reference. Nor is any YouTuber's observation and/or opinion on game design. It has nothing to do with Mexico.--[[User:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|BlisseyandtheAquaJets]] ([[User talk:BlisseyandtheAquaJets|talk]]) 16:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Sorry, just trying to help. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 16:12, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I honestly didn't know that it wasn't reliable. While I do agree with him, I'll try to remember not to post anything else from him on this site. Sorry for the inconvenience.[[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 16:14, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::As far as any frame of reference or any source, it is best to stick with primarily the official information that comes straight from {{tt|the designers themselves or Nintendo or Game Freak|i.e. an official announcement from the Pokémon website or something like that}}. Best to avoid any fan-theories from Twitter, a Youtuber, or the like. I mean looking at sources like {{tt|Wikipedia|cautiously, of course, as like this site, people can just edit in something random}} or just a more {{tt|creditable source|question is, what would be considered 'creditable'? IDK, I digress}} is obviously alright. Also, [[User talk:Logo7|Logo]], when replying to someone directly like that, try to use a &quot;:&quot; in front of your reply to indent it. Anyway, for now, Decidueye is based off of {{tt|a species|or more species}} of {{wp|owl}} and an {{wp|archer}}. I'd say that being a {{t|Ghost}} type has at least to do with how {{wp|aumakua|Hawaiians perceive/portray owls in their culture}} but that maybe pushing it as far as me trying to avoid adding {{tt|speculation|best to avoid speculation here}}. And [[User talk:Macsen|Macsen]], I already mentioned the {{wp|stilt-owl}} in my statement a bit above yours and really as I concluded, that seems to be more of a {{tt|[[fossil]]-like scenario anyway|yes, I know Chikorita and Tropius seem to be based off of extinct animals like sauropods, but I still say it might be a stretch, look I already said what I needed to say earlier, just read the conversation from the beginning...}}. Btw, try using two &quot;{&quot;s and &quot;}&quot;s when linking to Wikipedia via template, you won't be stuck with a &quot;wp:&quot; in front. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 19:13, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Although, to be fair, I did know what La Lechuza was before watching that video, I only just made the connection after it. [[User:Logo7|Logo7]] ([[User talk:Logo7|talk]]) 19:20, 30 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Could there be some inspiration from Robin Hood? Other than the obvious hood thing, robin hood lived in Sherwood forest (type contribution) and was a famous archer who was stealthy enough to evade capture and rob many of their riches like he was a ghost. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 06:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fully Evolved Alola Starters and Mallow leaked ==<br /> <br /> Can someone who can edit this page add this to the Trivia section?<br /> <br /> *On June 4th, 2016, [http://66.media.tumblr.com/0250e03bd66ab9ca99dc62e78ecf5d7b/tumblr_o8adnyxaSF1qhkgqso1_540.jpg official confidential art] featuring Decidueye, {{p|Incineroar}}, {{p|Primarina}}, and [[Mallow]] was leaked on the internet. This leak happened 145 days before the Fully Evolved Alola Starters' official reveal on October 27, 2016.<br /> <br /> Here are my sources. http://www.pokecommunity.com/archive/index.php/t-370057.html &lt;nowiki&gt;http://66.media.tumblr.com/0250e03bd66ab9ca99dc62e78ecf5d7b/tumblr_o8adnyxaSF1qhkgqso1_540.jpg&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> <br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 00:07, 2 November 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Archduke ==<br /> The French name is also likely a reference to the word &quot;Archduke&quot; {{unsigned|Chuckwoodjohn}}<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> I thought of a good trivia fact.<br /> <br /> '''Decidueye is the first starter Pokémon to change one of its types upon evolution.''' It went from Grass/Flying to Grass/Ghost.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 00:52, 6 November 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Reshiram_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2514918 2016-10-06T03:27:35Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Censorship */</p> <hr /> <div>== Possible coincidental origin? ==<br /> <br /> (No idea what to title this section) I know that we know almost absolutely nothing on the actual origins of Reshiram and Zekrom, but ever since noticing that Zekrom is in White and Reshiram is in Black, it sorta brought me to mind of the concept of {{wp|Yin and yang}}. This is probably just coincidence and means absolutely nothing, but something I decided to bring up nonetheless. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 00:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :That's been on a lot of people's minds since the game names were out. But with the switched legendaries, maybe we can look more into it.--[[User:Pokelova|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''Poké''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokelova|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;lova!&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::We have very limited information right now, and I think anything we post now will be speculation at best. &lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;—&lt;small&gt;♥&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;b&gt;[[User:Jello|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Jel&lt;/span&gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90a8e0;&quot;&gt;lo&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 00:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::If you look at a Yin and Yang symbol, you'll see that each color has a dot of the opposite color inside. [[User:Puceron|Puceron]] 01:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.--[[User:Pokelova|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''Poké''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokelova|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;lova!&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Maybe it´s just a coincidence. I think we will have to wait until the release of the games for further details. [[User:D.hgss|D.hgss]] 08:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I was going to write about it and let TT or Werd write about it on the page. I support you, Mudkipchan!-[[User talk:444Zekrom|&lt;span style=&quot;color:brown&quot;&gt;444&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:444Zekrom|&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;Z&lt;/span&gt;]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 05:42, 03 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Well, considering the pair are the &quot;Black Yin&quot; and &quot;White Yang&quot; Pokémon, I think that this is pretty much confirmed and should be added as their origins. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragon ==<br /> <br /> I know that the Daisuke club called them the legendary dragon pokemon, but since we don't have officially published types listed as such, isn't kind of jumping the gun a bit to already list them as dragon types when they quite possibly could have secondary types as well? --[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 06:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :We're a Wiki Ryuu, we list what information we have as of '''now'''. At the moment, we know they're {{type|Dragon}}s, so we'll keep it at that until more info becomes available.--[[User:Pokelova|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''Poké''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokelova|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;lova!&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Was it ever actually said they're Dragon-''type''? Or just dragons? They could be like Gyarados or Charizard...[[User:Reign|Reign]] 07:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Prematurely publishing information weakens the credibility of Bulbapedia as a resource. [[User:Disinfect|Disinfect]] 07:26, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Yeah, someones got to edit that bit out because WE DO NOT KNOW THERE OFFICIAL TYPING. Why does everyone just assume that they will be Dragon-type because they were described as &quot;Legendary Dragon Pokemon&quot; like a Pokedex entry would state. Where the --- is a mod. --[[User:Mackinz|Yusuke SS]] 20:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Reshiram won't be Black exclusive==<br /> I do belive that in the obtain section It shouldent say Black olny because we all know after we encounter the mascot we always encounter the mascot of the twin game later on {{unsigned|Megamaxxor}}<br /> :Patterns and traditions aren't always guarantees. We're getting a female professor this time around, so I rest my case. Also, I don't think you could get Groudon in Sapphire and vice versa.--[[User:Pokelova|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''Poké''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokelova|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;lova!&lt;/span&gt;]] 13:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::This is only true for GS/HGSS AFAIK. Like PokeLova said, you can't get Dialga in Pearl and Palkia in Diamond, can you? Or Groudon in Sapphire/Kyogre in Ruby? Nope. At any rate, we aren't adding any information like that to the article unless it's 100% confirmed by a {{tt|reliable source|in b4 Serebii.net doesn't count}}. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006400&quot;&gt;'''Zesty'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3CB371&quot;&gt;'''Cactus'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::That's not true. Charizard can be received in both U.S. Blue and JP Green through starter methods. [[User:Turtwig A|&lt;font color=&quot;#CD7F32&quot;&gt;Turtwig's&lt;/font&gt;]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;#FF7F00&quot;&gt;A-B-Cs&lt;/font&gt;]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|&lt;font color=&quot;#green&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|&lt;font color=&quot;#yellow&quot;&gt;contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]) 14:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::For your kind information, it's obvious that we can get charizard in both versions because it's a starter. Reshiram and Zekrom are not starters + they are legendaries and like previous legendary mascot featured games, {{tt|they can be obtained in a single game only.| It's pretty obivious, duh.}} &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0&quot;&gt;♫♪&lt;/span&gt;[[User:Adyniz|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FA9A;&quot;&gt;'''Ady'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Adyniz|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F9;&quot;&gt;'''Niz'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0&quot;&gt;♪♫&lt;/span&gt; 14:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::I was just replying to them saying it was only possible in GS and HGSS. I know it is a starter, and that is how that would happen. [[User:Turtwig A|&lt;font color=&quot;#CD7F32&quot;&gt;Turtwig's&lt;/font&gt;]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;#FF7F00&quot;&gt;A-B-Cs&lt;/font&gt;]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|&lt;font color=&quot;#green&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|&lt;font color=&quot;#yellow&quot;&gt;contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]) 14:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Oh, oopz. {{tt|My bad|sorry :D}}. &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0&quot;&gt;♫♪&lt;/span&gt;[[User:Adyniz|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FA9A;&quot;&gt;'''Ady'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Adyniz|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F9;&quot;&gt;'''Niz'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0&quot;&gt;♪♫&lt;/span&gt; 14:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I am sorry SS id my first pokmon game and befor I got it I asked a friend witch one I should get becasue of the legndarys he that it wouldent matter because I could get both if I worked at it he told thats the wasy it wokred in past games so I thought he ment all but as it turns out he must have ment G/S--[[User:Megamaxxor|Megamaxxor]] 14:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I don't think the article should state either way until it has been confirmed. Although version mascots aren't normally available in the opposite versions, they are in Gold and Silver, so it's not unheard of. [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :I second that, we don't know for sure if he's exclusive to Black at this point and to say he is is just as assumptive as to say he isn't.--[[User_talk:Jack Harkness|J.Harkness]] 20:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I would also like to point out that Suicune while being a legendary mascot for Crystal was also available in Gold, Silver, LeafGreen, FireRed, HeartGold, and SoulSilver, it has appeard far beyond it's own game. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 1:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Reshiram has to be black exclusive because N captures and uses Reshiram in his team in White, and does the opposite in Black with Zekrom. He is seen flying away on Reshiram/Zekrom at the end of the game.--[[User:Dillard70|Dillard70]] 21:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Physiology for the admins to implement==<br /> Reshiram is a white-colored, bipedal Pokémon of indefinable but seemingly draconic basis, with some of the avian features of feathers. Reshiram’s snout is mammalian in appearance, most resembling something vulpine or even canine. Streaming out from the upper side of the snout and outward from the head is a long, voluminous wispy mane, the top of which forms a spike or small head-crest of some sort. Reshiram’s face is fringed with spiky features, with one small, pointed extension of it below the chin.<br /> <br /> Reshiram’s neck is long and slender, with a collar-esque protrusion of fur or feathers seeming held in place by two somewhat glass-like neck-bands, with similar bands present on the “wrists” of Reshiram’s forelimbs. Reshiram’s forelimbs are expansive, wing-like appendages or some unusual sort of wings themselves; the beginning portions of the limbs are slender and generally conventionally arm-like, but flare out into a more wing-like, feathered section farther on the limb, sporting four claws on the leading edge. On Reshiram’s chest is a feathered feature most similar in shape to a Silver Wing, with the lower portion protruding outward to a point. Long feathers spread out from Reshiram’s thighs, its feet with large claws---three in front, and the one in the back positioned at an angle somewhat like high heels. Reshiram’s tail is a thick mass of a centermost plume and ribbon-like secondary extensions, surrounded by two large bands. <br /> <br /> (Reshiram is some feat to describe, which is why I split the description into two paragraphs.) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 16:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> Update note - There's an important feature that most people tend to not notice. Reshiram's 'tail' looks uncannily like a traditional fire torch, only without colour and turned on its side. This feature no doubt is the only sort of physical inclination of the Pokemon's fire type. The central plume being the flame and the rings being the metal barriers. - Comfy Shorts (user)<br /> :Also, in a recent trailer, Reshiram was seen shooting flames out of its tail thing, so that should probably go under Physiology or Abilities. Evidence: Towards the end of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqwvp97hl4&amp;feature=player_embedded this] video, the 3D versions of Reshiram and Zekrom are seen in their awakening sequence. Reshiram is shooting flames out of his arse, and Zekrom's little motor thing is generating electricity. [[User:Tailzfoxy96|Tailzfoxy96]] 01:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == zoroark listing ==<br /> <br /> So, how do we know that Zoroark will come right before Reshiram? Should we not have a ??? beside them?[[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 00:45, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> :This needs to be changed. [[User:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Red&quot;&gt;Cu&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Tan&quot;&gt;bo&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Green color light&quot;&gt;ne&lt;/font&gt;]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;Black&quot;&gt;King&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Resistance to ice ==<br /> <br /> If the Dragon/Fire typing is true, wouldn't that mean that, along with Dialga, Palkia, and Kingdra, this is one of the few dragon types that does not suffer double damage from ice?--[[User:Grammernatzi|Grammernatzi]] 08:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Yes and yes. The typing has been confirmed, so it take neutral damage from Ice-type moves. &lt;sc&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sc&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 08:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Possible Name Origin? ==<br /> Does anyone think that the &quot;Re&quot; in Reshiram could be taken from the Chinese 熱 ''rè'' (meaning &quot;heat&quot; or &quot;hot&quot;)? [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 13:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> :It's possible. [[User:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Red&quot;&gt;Cu&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Tan&quot;&gt;bo&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Green color light&quot;&gt;ne&lt;/font&gt;]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;Black&quot;&gt;King&lt;/font&gt;]] 23:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::I was looking through names, and came across Rishima, which means 'moonbeam' in Hindi. I find that interesting. (name and definition at http://www.20000-names.com/moon_names.htm ) [[User:Temsol|&lt;font color=&quot;Tan&quot;&gt;Tem&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Temsol|&lt;font color=&quot;Grey&quot;&gt;sol&lt;/font&gt;]] ([[User:Temsol|Temsol]] 00:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)) 7:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::That could work. It could also be from 日 ''rì​'' (sun) and/or 月 ''{{tt|yuè|pronounced as r-ye​}}'' (moon). [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 06:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> probably.telling by the full name translation, (Yet to be provided),it must mean that. ♪♫The ΩredcloverΩ 17:59, 11 February 2011 (UTC)♫♪<br /> <br /> == Trivia to be added ==<br /> <br /> Reshiram is the only [[Pokémon]] to have a Dragon/Fire typing --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 14:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Reshiram is also the only [[Fire (type)|Fire]] type Pokémon without red, yellow, or orange in its color scheme. That could be added as well. -- [[User:TusSocks145|TusSocks145]] 02:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::when flames go their hottest they turn white...theres a reason why it's that color other than the yin yang thing...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Actually the hottest flames are blue /nitpicking [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 07:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::The term &quot;white-hot&quot; refers to [http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescence incandescence], the emission of light from a hot body due to its temperature. Dunno if that works or not. [[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 07:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I don't know if this is trivia or not, but is there a reason Reshiram's and Zekrom's origins are on the legendary Pokemon page and not on their own pages? It seems like it should be on their respective pages somewhere. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :The origins on these pages are actually different. The origins here refer to the real life counterpart/inspiration or whatever it is the design of these Pokémon is based on. The origin you seem to be talking about is related to the story itself, so they would not appear here. (At least not under the origin's section, which has a different meaning here). &lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;—&lt;small&gt;♥&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;b&gt;[[User:Jello|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;Jello&lt;/span&gt;]][[User Talk:Jello|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3FA9D0;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;talk&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 20:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> There is also an error in the origin section. It says it's tail is like a turbine, which is the tail of Zekrom, not Reshiram. Reshiram's is based off of a torch. [[User:Yonkomother|Yonkomother]] 00:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :That is not an error. [http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=1641 It is stated here by Sugimori] that their tails are based on electric turbines. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should it be mentioned that Reshiram resembles a wyvern? ==<br /> <br /> It even goes down to feathers (although I can't confirm if the image I found is fake, so it may be good to assume wyverns aren't feathered until a guaranteed source is found). However, every depiction of a wyvern I have found has shown them to have two wings and two legs, like Reshiram --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 20:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Number ==<br /> <br /> Serebii has just confirmed that Reshiram will be #643 [[User:AdamRS92|AdamRS92]] 14:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Warning. You will get loads of people saying &quot;Serebii doesn't confirm anything&quot;. &lt;sub style=&quot;color:#00008B;&quot;&gt;'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''&lt;/sub&gt; &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Moves obtainable by breeding==<br /> Same deal as with Zekrom. No eggs means no egg moves. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 11:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Clouds? ==<br /> <br /> Reshiram and its counterpart {{p|Zekrom}} are based on the concept of {{wp|yin and yang}}. Appearance wise, it resembles a mix of animals, including a bird, a {{wp|canid}} such as a fox or a wolf, and a {{wp|Wyvern}} . The crest on its head and its feathers are references to clouds as well as white {{wp|fire}}, which can burn up to temperatures of 1,500 °C (2,730 °F). To further this connection with fire and combustion, its tail resembles a rocket engine.<br /> <br /> Where are you getting clouds from Resh's crest? It looks more like a smoke trail than a cloud.<br /> <br /> Reshiram and its counterpart {{p|Zekrom}} are based on the concept of {{wp|yin and yang}}. Appearance wise, it resembles a mix of animals, including a bird, a {{wp|canid}} such as a fox or a wolf, and a {{wp|Wyvern}} . The crest on its head and its feathers resembles a smoke trail as well as white {{wp|fire}}, which can burn up to temperatures of 1,500 °C (2,730 °F). To further this connection with fire and combustion, its tail resembles a rocket engine.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:06, 13 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I always thought it's tail looked more like a torch. {{unsigned|Mewtwomaster}}<br /> <br /> == Not Required for Storyline Progression ==<br /> '''WARNING: Spoilers for Black and White Versions follow!!!'''<br /> <br /> On this article and on [[Zekrom (Pokémon)]], it states that the two legendaries are required for capture in Black and White respectively in order to proceed through the game. According to Serebii.net, however, this is FALSE! They state that if you have a full party and PC (all 18 boxes), then you can proceed without catching either. They are later available in Dragon Spire Tower at Lv. 50. Both have a chance of being shiny, but not when fought in N's Castle. This was supposedly stated in the recently published official guide for Black and White. For verification, please see [http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/legendary.shtml this] and scroll down to Reshiram/Zekrom's section. If this is factual, then we should change the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom accordingly. - [[User:The Pokémon Master|The Pokémon Master]] 20:27, 29 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Interesting. I don't know how to set this up, but if you have an idea, go and do it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::The Trivia says that it has no chance of being Shiny, ever. Should we add on that Dragon Spiral Tower bit?--[[User:Silentzerox|Silentzerox]] 01:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::I believe it was found otherwise, but I'm not sure how it works anymore. I've people saying that the Dragon Spiral Tower one can't be Shiny, while others say that it can. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Censorship ==<br /> Would it be right to add to the trivia that numerous times, Reshiram has been censored to exclude the tuft of hair on its crotch that can be seen to resemble a penis? This happened with the Macy float, and when Official Nintendo Magazine in the UK featured Reshiram on the issue of their February 2011 issue, they placed the &quot;Pokémon Black Version&quot; logo in a way that it covered the tuft. This is also interesting, considering how Ken Sugimori said that Reshiram was supposed to be feminine.<br /> :I don't know about all of those instances, but I'd assume that the float was just a design limitation and the version logo placement isn't necessarily censorship - it has to be placed somewhere. Are there any official sources saying they intentionally censored the image? &lt;span style=&quot;border: 1px dotted #D04634;&quot;&gt;[[User:Jazzmoth|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0F5437&quot;&gt;ʝɑzz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3E0F54&quot;&gt;motɦ&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#004AC8;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;❝❞&lt;/sub&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::It's also not officially confirmed that Porygon family are banned in the anime or Kadabra in the TCG, but we still mention them.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#BF0B17&quot;&gt;ＤＥＮＮＯＵ&lt;/font&gt;]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#1250A6&quot;&gt;ＺＥＮＳＨＩ&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::But we don't call them banned, we say that they haven't appeared in the TCG/anime since, and offer the most likely explanation. Also, the reason ONM covered it up is because the boxart does too, and has the logo in the same position as Black's. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> It looks pretty obvious that Reshiram has a man's you-know-what and I don't understand how Gamefreak got away with it.[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 03:27, 6 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Electric turbine==<br /> The part about his tail in every article is wrong. There is no such thing as an electric turbine. That would be called a motor. Just please call it a turbine or steam or gas turbine. {{unsigned|Todus}}<br /> :[http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=1641 It is stated here by Sugimori] that their tails are based on electric turbines. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why is this deleted? ==<br /> <br /> In the Japanese versions of Pokémon Black and White, Reshiram is known as the White Yang Pokémon. <br /> <br /> Is it unpleasant to esteem the original? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :We usually don't list what the original species names are in trivia. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::And they can be found [[Species#Generation V|here]].----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#BF0B17&quot;&gt;ＤＥＮＮＯＵ&lt;/font&gt;]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#1250A6&quot;&gt;ＺＥＮＳＨＩ&lt;/font&gt;]] 08:23, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Why is information isolated? It is appropriate to explain on Pokemon's page(Trivia). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::Can you not read the banner at the top? Do not add any trivia. Also, please use the preview button so that you do not edit the same sentence several times.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 21:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::: Thank you for the instruction. If the restriction is released, may I describe it again?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]]<br /> ::::::The species name changes all the time, so even if the restriction is released you cannot put it in again. The only time a changed species name should be pointed out is when the new one does not make sense or is completely random.[[User:Jazama|Jazama]] 02:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::: Is it a rule of Bulbapedia?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:40, 25 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == EV ==<br /> <br /> Do Reshi and Zeky give EVs? And I mean the N Castle one. This isn't said anywhere, and I'm curious.[[User:Blitzamirin|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#399999&quot;&gt; ~ Blitzamirin ~ &lt;/span&gt;]] 00:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> Because it doesn't faint and then disappear, I would a good time for training for attack evs. Now I'm interested. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 16:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Overdrive ==<br /> I just got a Game Art Folio off of Ebay (sidenote: anyone know where these originally came from?), and on the back of the Reshiram and Zekrom &quot;cards&quot;, it describes them as entering Overdrive with a capital O. To quote: &quot;Reshiram/Zekrom enters Overdrive mode when its emotions surge, causing parts of it's body to glow vivid red with flame/bright blue with electricity.&quot; If the glowing body parts is what's meant by &quot;Overdrive&quot;, then that just occurs during the Pokémon's Idle Animation, right? Anyway, the point being that perhaps Overdrive mode should be noted on Reshiram/Zekrom's pages as well as Kyurem's...--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 19:14, 25 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :The art folios were a release special. They were only made for a short time, and I have one as well. We've known about Overdrive, I guess we just didn't know where to put it. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:45, 25 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Reshiram and Zekrom in the anime ==<br /> <br /> [[User:Glitchmasteravi|Glitchmasteravi]] ([[User talk:Glitchmasteravi|talk]]) 19:50, 17 February 2013 (UTC):Bulbapedia should add &quot;A Village Homecoming!&quot; to the minor appearances section in the anime because for a second it shows a staue of Reshiram and Zekrom.</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rowlet_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2514917 2016-10-06T03:23:48Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact */</p> <hr /> <div>==Rowlet's Design Origin==<br /> Sorry for editing Popplio earlier. I edited before it got restricted in editing. Anyways, since Gen VII seems to be based in Hawaii, I think Rowlet is based on the {{wp|Pueo}}, the Hawaiian Owl.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 12:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> And the name of the region is not Aloha, it is Alola, from Aloha. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 12:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It looks more like the {{wp|barn owl}}, which is the more populous kind of owl in Hawaii. &lt;small&gt;[[User:Glik|glik]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Glik|glak]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::to me they look like an owl and a coconut or other similar fruit/treenut cross bred. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::It's also not native, but introduced and a threat to native birds. But i digress, I concede that it is possibly based on the Barn Owl. But Pueo is more famous natively.— [[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I am almost certain it is a Forest Owlet. the markings are similar, the typing makes sense, and the japanese name is literally &quot;wood owl&quot;. i think its english name relating to the term for a baby owl is only 1 side of the reason for &quot;owlet&quot; given this information. --[[User:Puerluna|Puerluna]] ([[User talk:Puerluna|talk]]) 21:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Rowlet's Biology Section==<br /> &quot;Rowlet is an avian Pokémon that resembles a young owl. Its body is rounded in appearance, having no discernible head. A white facial disc frames its beady, dark eyes, and it has a short, stubby beak that is white on top and brownish-orange on the lower mandible. Most of its plumage is light brown in coloration, but it has white feathers at the base of its body. Part of its feathers are made of razor-sharp leaves, including a bow tie-like marking on the chin and its tail. There are also green feathers on the undersides of its wings that are revealed when they are spread. It's feet are brownish-orange with two claws facing forward and one pointing backwards. <br /> <br /> Rowlet is capable of twisting its head nearly 180 degrees, which allows it to look behind itself. It has impressively keen eyesight and can fly silently through the darkness of night. As it approaches an opponent, it attacks with either powerful kicks or a flurry of leaves launched from a distance.&quot;<br /> <br /> It would be easy to change the voice from &quot;it&quot; to &quot;they&quot; if that's what's preferred. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 13:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Name Origins ==<br /> <br /> Rowlet may be a combination or Rowan (the tree) and Owlet<br /> [[User:Nosredna|Nosredna]] ([[User talk:Nosredna|talk]]) 13:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> In German, Bauz may be a combination of Baum (tree) and Kauz (owl).[[User:Dntpnc|Dntpnc]] ([[User talk:Dntpnc|talk]]) 17:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Roulette pun, anyone? --[[User:Scheneighnay|Scheneighnay]] ([[User talk:Scheneighnay|talk]]) 23:41, 7 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Type Effectiveness ==<br /> <br /> Since we have this Pokémon's type already, then we can add its type effectiveness (which should be the same as [[Hoppip_(Pokémon)#Type_effectiveness|Hoppip's]], for example). [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] ([[User talk:Mateussf|talk]]) 13:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> : We don't know if there will be any tweaking of the type matchups, so I imagine for now we should wait and see? [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 14:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's typing ==<br /> <br /> It seems that Rowlet is the second-ever starter Pokémon to have a secondary type in its base form, after {{p|Bulbasaur}}. Coincidentally, both are Grass-type. Should we note this?--[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 14:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Nope. Now that there's two, it's not notable anymore. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::But shouldn't we note that the only two starters that are dual typed are both primary grass? --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:34, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::How is it not notable? It's a seven generation gap. Word it like &quot;Rowlet is the first Pokemon since Bulbasaur to be a dual-type starter&quot; or something. [[User:Aidanzapunk|&lt;span style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;'''Aidan the'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|&lt;span style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;'''Aura Master'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> Not unique is not notable. Since the situation is no longer unique, it is no longer notable. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I believe that Darthrai and Raltseye are right on this fact and so do I.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 17:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I also agree that it is worth noting that from all 7 generations of starters, this is only the second starter that has a secondary type in his primary form. --[[User:Basinox|Basinox]] ([[User talk:Basinox|talk]]) 17:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes and like I said it's only two out of twenty one starters that are dual typed and those two just so happen to be primary grass type and that is noteworthy in the trivia section according to me. --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, there's a similar piece of trivia on the [[Starter Pokémon#Trivia|starter Pokémon]] page about name length and region rather than dual typing and primary typing. I can't really say if this point is notable or not, but if it is it should probably go there rather than on this page.--[[User:Cold|&lt;font color=&quot;teal&quot;&gt;Cold&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|&lt;font color=&quot;turquoise&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 19:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> The trivia is fine on the starter page, as that's where it's most relevant. It's simply not relevant here. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::BP has followed the &quot;policy&quot; that droughts are notable. Saying it has no relevance on Rowlet's own page makes no sense. --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:19, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Where has BP followed the &quot;policy&quot; that droughts are notable, if I may ask? AFAIK, that's only been in the anime. And as we are also fond of saying, the games are not the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::Why is a drought considered notable in the anime but not in the games? 20 years and six generations later is a long time. Anime=/=Games is when saying &quot;Move X didn't work like the games&quot;, not trivia. --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 01:27, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> Again, it's just not relevant to this page. It's on the starter page and that's fine. We don't need to repeat trivia in multiple places. It has more relevant to the starter's as a whole than specifically to Rowlet. There's no point in arguing when it seems like there's already an agreeable compromise. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:41, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Many Pokemon pages have quite enough trivia on them already, we don't really want to open the door to even ''more'' by relaxing our standards for Pokemon trivia.<br /> :The following is solely my opinion:<br /> :Anime=/=games. Even for trivia (or at least this kind). In the anime, there are HUNDREDS of episodes. In the games, there are only SEVEN generations currently. That's an INCREDIBLE difference. What you're really saying about Rowlet is, it's the first dual-type since Generation I. But if you said in the anime that &quot;X&quot; is the first whatever since six episodes ago, that wouldn't be notable. And &quot;real time&quot; is not a relevant factor either; if Generation III had come, say FIFTY years after Generation I and Rowlet were a starter, that wouldn't at all make it relevant that Rowlet was the first dual-type since Bulbasaur. It's the iterations between them, the ''generations'', that matter. And seven is barely more than a handful. Talk to me when we have 15-20 generations. (Again, note that this is ''solely'' my own personal resolution of the difference between anime and games for droughts. It is not necessarily staff policy, but I do think it is solid logic.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:25, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's Number ==<br /> <br /> It's obvious they are not gonna' do a Victini situation again, so we might as well make it's number No. 722. {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}<br /> :No assumptions. If it's that &quot;obvious&quot;, people are free to assume it for themselves. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's Ability ==<br /> <br /> How do we know that it's ability will be Overgrow? I mean, sure, every grass starter has it, but every grass starter also has the same gender ratio, and that's still on the page as &quot;Unknown&quot;. Should we change one of the two? [[User:EnderBolt|EnderBolt]] ([[User talk:EnderBolt|talk]]) 18:31, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :[http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/rowlet/ It's officially revealed]. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Whoops, my bad. [[User:EnderBolt|EnderBolt]] ([[User talk:EnderBolt|talk]]) 19:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;Rowlet is the only Grass-type starter Pokémon to be based on a bird.&quot; ... really? ==<br /> <br /> Why don't I add that Froakie's the only Water-type starter to be based on a frog? I'd remove it, but it appears I'm not allowed for some reason. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :&quot;Bird&quot; isn't a species, it's one of the basic animal groups, along with mammals, fish, reptiles, and amphibians. Saying Rowlet is the only bird Grass starter is analogous to saying that Chespin is the only mammal Grass starter. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 18:56, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: Well, one of the groups of VERTEBRATE animals, that is. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 03:45, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Name origin ==<br /> <br /> I know the name Rowlet comes from owlet, but what about &quot;R&quot;?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 18:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :I heard someone say on twitter that it's round + owlet, and, well, it is pretty round.. [[User:EnderBolt|EnderBolt]] ([[User talk:EnderBolt|talk]]) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I was thinking something similar to Roulette, which comes from the french Little Wheel.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> Would the &quot;R&quot; in Rowlet also come from Rowling as in J.R. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter books?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That's too much of a stretch.[[user:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]02:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stymphalian Birds ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that Rowlet is at least partially based on the Stymphalian birds from Greek mythology. They were known for attacking by shooting out their feathers as projectile weapons. Rowlet does the same thing, although his are leaves that double as his feathers and therefore ''are'' his feathers, as was detailed in the official information release on the Pokémon Sun and Moon website. Link to the Wikipedia page on the {{wp|Stymphalian birds}} here. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 19:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :we'll have to wait on further evolutions to get a better grasp on their basis. Also, it may be based on something more botanic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urticating_hair Urticating hairs or urticating bristles, i.e. irritating hairs, are one of the primary defense mechanisms used by numerous plants. Rowlet are a grass-type afterall. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> Here's a good trivia fact.<br /> <br /> '''Rowlet is the first Grass-type starter to be based on a bird.'''<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 01:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That's pretty self-evident. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 01:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Official art ==<br /> <br /> Are we 100% sure that it's Sugimori's art this time around? Normally it'd be a no-brainer &quot;yes&quot;, but Ohmura has been doing a lot of human character art recently, and Rowlet's art more closely resembles his style (the linework is an especially noticeable giveaway). It could just be Sugimori changing up his style to match, but it's hard to know for sure. Has credit been officially listed somewhere? [[User:Silverlucario|Frezgle (Silverlucario)]] ([[User talk:Silverlucario|talk]]) 06:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Well nothing specifically mention, but this is the only artwork we have of Rowlet at the moment.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:11, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :: Here's an image that explains who did what in SM: [http://i.imgur.com/frTVc2C.png] --[[User:Tuturuu|Tuturuu]] ([[User talk:Tuturuu|talk]]) 00:23, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Do you have an ''official'' source for that information? Because a random image with some text slapped onto it really does nothing for us. --[[User:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95EB5C&quot;&gt;Carmen&lt;small&gt;★&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FEBEE8&quot;&gt;(Talk |&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A6DAFC&quot;&gt;contribs)&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 00:31, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::: Do you have an official source stating all the artwok was done by Sugimori? I've followed both his and Ohmura's art progression ever since Pokémon Red and Blue were released, and since Ohmura joined during the development of Black and White. If you examine the art closely, like in that &quot;random image&quot;, you can clearly see that the two characters were drawn by two different people. It's no tougher than telling Picasso and van Gogh apart. I'm not telling anyone to change the wiki pages, but blindly clamiming it was done by Sugimori even when there's contradicting information is not something I can overlook. --[[User:Tuturuu|Tuturuu]] ([[User talk:Tuturuu|talk]]) 00:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::(I'm assuming you're talking about the template on the file pages. If I'm mistaken, please correct me.) By default, we state that the artwork is done by Sugimori since the [[a:Template:Sugimoriart|associated template]] is defaulted to state that. However, once/if we get official confirmation that Ohmura has worked on the Pokémon artwork, we will definitely make the appropriate updates to the template, like what we did with the [[a:Template:Illuschar|character artwork template]]. Bottom line is, we don't want to make such drastic changes to such a high-use template solely based off of guesswork and speculation, since an update to the template would also involve moving the template and relinking it everywhere it's used. I hope you understand. --[[User:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95EB5C&quot;&gt;Carmen&lt;small&gt;★&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FEBEE8&quot;&gt;(Talk |&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A6DAFC&quot;&gt;contribs)&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 01:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::: Exactly, I was talking about the template. Again, I don't want it to be changed until there's official confirmation, but I think it's worth pointing out that not all Pokémon art may be done by Sugimori anymore.--[[User:Tuturuu|Tuturuu]] ([[User talk:Tuturuu|talk]]) 16:28, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Website ==<br /> <br /> Take this into consideration<br /> <br /> http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/rowlet/<br /> <br /> It has more info<br /> <br /> [[User:Dadijo2002|Dadijo2002]] ([[User talk:Dadijo2002|talk]]) 16:41, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's face ==<br /> <br /> Rowlet's face has vague (or strong) resemblance to a mandorla, 2 overlapping circles making an almond shape in the middle. This symbol is commonly used to represent heaven and earth, which i feel is relevant to it as a grass/flying type. (on a similar note of symbols on the new pokemon, littens forehead stripes and large eyes bare high resemblance to formation of the symbol for brimstone, also called sulfur, an element naturally occurring in and around volcanoes and hotsprings)--[[User:Puerluna|Puerluna]] ([[User talk:Puerluna|talk]]) 13:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :We will keep this in mind if its evolutions seem to be based on Christian Priests or almondsl. --[[User:Basinox|Basinox]] ([[User talk:Basinox|talk]]) 14:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :mandorlas have more than just that one meaning, and beyond christianity, and i meant earth and heaven on a broader definition than &quot;mortal earth and biblical heaven&quot;. so sassy... --[[User:Puerluna|Puerluna]] ([[User talk:Puerluna|talk]]) 06:56, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Addition to Trivia: Rowlet's dual typing ==<br /> <br /> I haven't been able to edit the Rowlet page, but I think that the fact that Rowlet is the first dual typing since Bulbasaur is good for the trivia section.<br /> [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 19:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :This was already discussed on this exact page. [[#Rowlet's typing|Look up]]. --[[User:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95EB5C&quot;&gt;Carmen&lt;small&gt;★&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FEBEE8&quot;&gt;(Talk |&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A6DAFC&quot;&gt;contribs)&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 22:09, 19 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==New Move==<br /> <br /> Two things. One: I think we could include in Trivia &quot;Rowlet is the only Pokémon Sun and Moon starter Pokémon to be revealed with a new move&quot; or just the first Gen 7 Pokemon, I also think someone could make a Leafage page. Or maybe not. --[[User:GameCubeAdvance|GameCubeAdvance]] 12:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :1) That's not really notable, especially with only four (counting Magearna) Pokemon revealed so far.<br /> :2) All we know about Leafage right now is its name and that it's a Grass-type move. That is no where close to enough to have an article made about it. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 12:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's Number (Again) ==<br /> <br /> In the Japenese Rotom Pokedex Trailer, it shows the Rowlet is 001 in the Alola region Pokedex, also confirming [[Magearna]] will not be doing another [[Victini]] thing with the #000.<br /> This means that in Regional Pokedexes, Rowlet is #001<br /> In National Dex, it's #722<br /> [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]])<br /> -Here is the Trailer that shows the starter's numbers, also confirming they have evolutions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc03tXikfJs [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 20:36, 11 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That doesn't prove anything. The answer is still no, we are not adding numbers until the game comes out. And of course they have evolutions. Why wouldn't they? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:39, 11 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::But could we not add its regional Alola dex number then? --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 23:39, 11 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::The Alola Pokédex appears to be split into sections like the Kalos Pokédex. As we don't yet know the English section names nor even the Japanese names for all the sections, we aren't yet adding the Alola Pokédex sections to the infobox. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:44, 11 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::But unlike the Kalos Pokedex, it also has one whole Alola Pokedex section, if you see what I'm saying. It's split, but there's also one who one that merges them together. When Sun and Moon comes out, should we put Alola and then &quot;Coastal&quot;, &quot;Mountain&quot; things like that? {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}<br /> :::::When S/M comes out...we'll figure it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:32, 12 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Okay! sorry, I'm not trying to get in the way or be a distraction, I just like the facts to be 100% correct. Also, I made a comment of [[Talk: Rayquaza_(Pokémon)]] and list of variations featuring Zygarde.[[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 14:38, 12 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Venn Diagram ==<br /> <br /> The very first thing I noticed looking at Rowlet is that it's face is clearly supposed to resemble a Venn diagram, and other parts of it seem to be made of intersecting ovals as well. This has not gone completely unnoticed, but I found very little mention of it on the internet and I think it's worth a note in the trivia of this page. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> :It's mostly just an owl's face in cartoon form. What you're seeing is basically just coincidence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Pretty confident it's not. Apart from the curve at the top and bottom, Rowlet's beak lines up perfectly with the rest of the circle around it's eyes and a perfect venn diagram can be layed over the top, which is certainly not the case with a real owl at all. It's quite clearly purposeful. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> :::No, no it's not. And even if it was, we don't know nearly enough about Rowlet to justify adding it to the article. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::Like I said, this is a cartoon/drawing. You can't compare that to a real owl and necessarily draw conclusions from every thing that doesn't conform perfectly to real owls. Drawings aren't ''supposed'' to conform exactly. A simple oval is much easier than drawing a detailed beak. You're reading too much into simple shapes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:51, 2 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::I don't see how there's any more justification for mentioning that the leaves resemble a bowtie. Yeah they do (albeit an oddly shaped one), but his face also resembles a Venn diagram, and the leaves could just as easily just be leaves. It's not like it would have been harder to draw Rowlet's beak like, I dunno, an owl's actual beak, with a sharp downward point, rather than the convenient shape it is. I don't see how one is justified mentioning but the other is not. Plus Rowlet's name is (or at least the article considers it likely to be) a portmanteau of owl and round, which further suggests a link with the intersecting circle structure of the Venn diagram. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> ::::::The resemblance to a bowtie is mentioned in the Biology section, where it's purely descriptive&amp;mdash;it's meant to ''paint a picture'', not imply that there's necessarily any significance/intention to it (which is what you want for the Venn diagram you see). They're completely different things.<br /> ::::::I haven't said it outright, but personally, I don't really see a Venn diagram even if I'm looking for it, anyway. It just looks like an owl with big ol' owl eyes and a big honkin' owl &quot;nose&quot; to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:35, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Well I guess it's a little silly me even bothering with this. It's not that big a deal, but I'll show you an illustrated example anyway. http://65.media.tumblr.com/c3d78b0f3e6b4ecea4123f61f84620f5/tumblr_o70fffTRNf1qzkiifo1_1280.png<br /> :::::::And the owl nose, well I've yet to find any google images of owls with a beak shaped like 2 halves of an oval that meet together flat in the middle. They mostly look like this. http://animalia-life.com/data_images/owl/owl3.jpg very sharp downward beaks, like most raptors. I don't personally see the difference between saying 2 leaves look like a bowtie and saying it's face looks like a venn diagram but it's probably pointless for me to continue arguing on what is essentially an interesting but fairly trivial issue. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> ::::::::I really didn't need a demonstration... I ''get the idea'', but I don't think there's actually enough there to call it what you want to call it.<br /> ::::::::Also: {{wp|barn owl}}. Pretty close. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:47, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::A barn owl would be a great idea for a love themed pokemon with a heart shaped face and a beak which points to the bottom of the heart from it's eyes. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> <br /> == Possible Kakao basis ==<br /> <br /> I was wondering if there could be some basis on the Kakapo, otherwise known as the Owl Parrot -&gt; {{wp|Kakapo}}. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:21, 10 September 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokemon Bank Screenshots Confirm Rowlet's National Dex Number ==<br /> <br /> If you view the gallery on [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon-bank/ this page] on the official English site, it shows Rowlet's National Dex number, #722. [[User:Mettie7|Mettie7]] ([[User talk:Mettie7|talk]]) 22:06, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> I thought of a good trivia fact for Rowlet.<br /> <br /> '''Rowlet is the first bird-based Starter Pokémon that is part Flying-type.'''<br /> <br /> This is true because Torchic and Piplup are not part Flying-type and are based on flightless birds. Torchic's evolutions become part Fighting-type while Piplup's final evolved form becomes part Steel-type. <br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 03:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rowlet_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2514916 2016-10-06T03:22:39Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==Rowlet's Design Origin==<br /> Sorry for editing Popplio earlier. I edited before it got restricted in editing. Anyways, since Gen VII seems to be based in Hawaii, I think Rowlet is based on the {{wp|Pueo}}, the Hawaiian Owl.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 12:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> And the name of the region is not Aloha, it is Alola, from Aloha. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 12:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It looks more like the {{wp|barn owl}}, which is the more populous kind of owl in Hawaii. &lt;small&gt;[[User:Glik|glik]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Glik|glak]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::to me they look like an owl and a coconut or other similar fruit/treenut cross bred. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::It's also not native, but introduced and a threat to native birds. But i digress, I concede that it is possibly based on the Barn Owl. But Pueo is more famous natively.— [[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I am almost certain it is a Forest Owlet. the markings are similar, the typing makes sense, and the japanese name is literally &quot;wood owl&quot;. i think its english name relating to the term for a baby owl is only 1 side of the reason for &quot;owlet&quot; given this information. --[[User:Puerluna|Puerluna]] ([[User talk:Puerluna|talk]]) 21:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Rowlet's Biology Section==<br /> &quot;Rowlet is an avian Pokémon that resembles a young owl. Its body is rounded in appearance, having no discernible head. A white facial disc frames its beady, dark eyes, and it has a short, stubby beak that is white on top and brownish-orange on the lower mandible. Most of its plumage is light brown in coloration, but it has white feathers at the base of its body. Part of its feathers are made of razor-sharp leaves, including a bow tie-like marking on the chin and its tail. There are also green feathers on the undersides of its wings that are revealed when they are spread. It's feet are brownish-orange with two claws facing forward and one pointing backwards. <br /> <br /> Rowlet is capable of twisting its head nearly 180 degrees, which allows it to look behind itself. It has impressively keen eyesight and can fly silently through the darkness of night. As it approaches an opponent, it attacks with either powerful kicks or a flurry of leaves launched from a distance.&quot;<br /> <br /> It would be easy to change the voice from &quot;it&quot; to &quot;they&quot; if that's what's preferred. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 13:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Name Origins ==<br /> <br /> Rowlet may be a combination or Rowan (the tree) and Owlet<br /> [[User:Nosredna|Nosredna]] ([[User talk:Nosredna|talk]]) 13:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> In German, Bauz may be a combination of Baum (tree) and Kauz (owl).[[User:Dntpnc|Dntpnc]] ([[User talk:Dntpnc|talk]]) 17:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Roulette pun, anyone? --[[User:Scheneighnay|Scheneighnay]] ([[User talk:Scheneighnay|talk]]) 23:41, 7 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Type Effectiveness ==<br /> <br /> Since we have this Pokémon's type already, then we can add its type effectiveness (which should be the same as [[Hoppip_(Pokémon)#Type_effectiveness|Hoppip's]], for example). [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] ([[User talk:Mateussf|talk]]) 13:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> : We don't know if there will be any tweaking of the type matchups, so I imagine for now we should wait and see? [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 14:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's typing ==<br /> <br /> It seems that Rowlet is the second-ever starter Pokémon to have a secondary type in its base form, after {{p|Bulbasaur}}. Coincidentally, both are Grass-type. Should we note this?--[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 14:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Nope. Now that there's two, it's not notable anymore. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::But shouldn't we note that the only two starters that are dual typed are both primary grass? --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:34, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::How is it not notable? It's a seven generation gap. Word it like &quot;Rowlet is the first Pokemon since Bulbasaur to be a dual-type starter&quot; or something. [[User:Aidanzapunk|&lt;span style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;'''Aidan the'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|&lt;span style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;'''Aura Master'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> Not unique is not notable. Since the situation is no longer unique, it is no longer notable. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I believe that Darthrai and Raltseye are right on this fact and so do I.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 17:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I also agree that it is worth noting that from all 7 generations of starters, this is only the second starter that has a secondary type in his primary form. --[[User:Basinox|Basinox]] ([[User talk:Basinox|talk]]) 17:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes and like I said it's only two out of twenty one starters that are dual typed and those two just so happen to be primary grass type and that is noteworthy in the trivia section according to me. --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, there's a similar piece of trivia on the [[Starter Pokémon#Trivia|starter Pokémon]] page about name length and region rather than dual typing and primary typing. I can't really say if this point is notable or not, but if it is it should probably go there rather than on this page.--[[User:Cold|&lt;font color=&quot;teal&quot;&gt;Cold&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|&lt;font color=&quot;turquoise&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 19:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> The trivia is fine on the starter page, as that's where it's most relevant. It's simply not relevant here. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::BP has followed the &quot;policy&quot; that droughts are notable. Saying it has no relevance on Rowlet's own page makes no sense. --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:19, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Where has BP followed the &quot;policy&quot; that droughts are notable, if I may ask? AFAIK, that's only been in the anime. And as we are also fond of saying, the games are not the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::Why is a drought considered notable in the anime but not in the games? 20 years and six generations later is a long time. Anime=/=Games is when saying &quot;Move X didn't work like the games&quot;, not trivia. --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 01:27, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> Again, it's just not relevant to this page. It's on the starter page and that's fine. We don't need to repeat trivia in multiple places. It has more relevant to the starter's as a whole than specifically to Rowlet. There's no point in arguing when it seems like there's already an agreeable compromise. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:41, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Many Pokemon pages have quite enough trivia on them already, we don't really want to open the door to even ''more'' by relaxing our standards for Pokemon trivia.<br /> :The following is solely my opinion:<br /> :Anime=/=games. Even for trivia (or at least this kind). In the anime, there are HUNDREDS of episodes. In the games, there are only SEVEN generations currently. That's an INCREDIBLE difference. What you're really saying about Rowlet is, it's the first dual-type since Generation I. But if you said in the anime that &quot;X&quot; is the first whatever since six episodes ago, that wouldn't be notable. And &quot;real time&quot; is not a relevant factor either; if Generation III had come, say FIFTY years after Generation I and Rowlet were a starter, that wouldn't at all make it relevant that Rowlet was the first dual-type since Bulbasaur. It's the iterations between them, the ''generations'', that matter. And seven is barely more than a handful. Talk to me when we have 15-20 generations. (Again, note that this is ''solely'' my own personal resolution of the difference between anime and games for droughts. It is not necessarily staff policy, but I do think it is solid logic.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:25, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's Number ==<br /> <br /> It's obvious they are not gonna' do a Victini situation again, so we might as well make it's number No. 722. {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}<br /> :No assumptions. If it's that &quot;obvious&quot;, people are free to assume it for themselves. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's Ability ==<br /> <br /> How do we know that it's ability will be Overgrow? I mean, sure, every grass starter has it, but every grass starter also has the same gender ratio, and that's still on the page as &quot;Unknown&quot;. Should we change one of the two? [[User:EnderBolt|EnderBolt]] ([[User talk:EnderBolt|talk]]) 18:31, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :[http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/rowlet/ It's officially revealed]. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Whoops, my bad. [[User:EnderBolt|EnderBolt]] ([[User talk:EnderBolt|talk]]) 19:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;Rowlet is the only Grass-type starter Pokémon to be based on a bird.&quot; ... really? ==<br /> <br /> Why don't I add that Froakie's the only Water-type starter to be based on a frog? I'd remove it, but it appears I'm not allowed for some reason. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :&quot;Bird&quot; isn't a species, it's one of the basic animal groups, along with mammals, fish, reptiles, and amphibians. Saying Rowlet is the only bird Grass starter is analogous to saying that Chespin is the only mammal Grass starter. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 18:56, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: Well, one of the groups of VERTEBRATE animals, that is. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 03:45, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Name origin ==<br /> <br /> I know the name Rowlet comes from owlet, but what about &quot;R&quot;?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 18:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :I heard someone say on twitter that it's round + owlet, and, well, it is pretty round.. [[User:EnderBolt|EnderBolt]] ([[User talk:EnderBolt|talk]]) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I was thinking something similar to Roulette, which comes from the french Little Wheel.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> Would the &quot;R&quot; in Rowlet also come from Rowling as in J.R. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter books?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That's too much of a stretch.[[user:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]02:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stymphalian Birds ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that Rowlet is at least partially based on the Stymphalian birds from Greek mythology. They were known for attacking by shooting out their feathers as projectile weapons. Rowlet does the same thing, although his are leaves that double as his feathers and therefore ''are'' his feathers, as was detailed in the official information release on the Pokémon Sun and Moon website. Link to the Wikipedia page on the {{wp|Stymphalian birds}} here. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 19:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :we'll have to wait on further evolutions to get a better grasp on their basis. Also, it may be based on something more botanic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urticating_hair Urticating hairs or urticating bristles, i.e. irritating hairs, are one of the primary defense mechanisms used by numerous plants. Rowlet are a grass-type afterall. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> Here's a good trivia fact.<br /> <br /> '''Rowlet is the first Grass-type starter to be based on a bird.'''<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 01:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That's pretty self-evident. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 01:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Official art ==<br /> <br /> Are we 100% sure that it's Sugimori's art this time around? Normally it'd be a no-brainer &quot;yes&quot;, but Ohmura has been doing a lot of human character art recently, and Rowlet's art more closely resembles his style (the linework is an especially noticeable giveaway). It could just be Sugimori changing up his style to match, but it's hard to know for sure. Has credit been officially listed somewhere? [[User:Silverlucario|Frezgle (Silverlucario)]] ([[User talk:Silverlucario|talk]]) 06:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Well nothing specifically mention, but this is the only artwork we have of Rowlet at the moment.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:11, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :: Here's an image that explains who did what in SM: [http://i.imgur.com/frTVc2C.png] --[[User:Tuturuu|Tuturuu]] ([[User talk:Tuturuu|talk]]) 00:23, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Do you have an ''official'' source for that information? Because a random image with some text slapped onto it really does nothing for us. --[[User:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95EB5C&quot;&gt;Carmen&lt;small&gt;★&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FEBEE8&quot;&gt;(Talk |&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A6DAFC&quot;&gt;contribs)&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 00:31, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::: Do you have an official source stating all the artwok was done by Sugimori? I've followed both his and Ohmura's art progression ever since Pokémon Red and Blue were released, and since Ohmura joined during the development of Black and White. If you examine the art closely, like in that &quot;random image&quot;, you can clearly see that the two characters were drawn by two different people. It's no tougher than telling Picasso and van Gogh apart. I'm not telling anyone to change the wiki pages, but blindly clamiming it was done by Sugimori even when there's contradicting information is not something I can overlook. --[[User:Tuturuu|Tuturuu]] ([[User talk:Tuturuu|talk]]) 00:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::(I'm assuming you're talking about the template on the file pages. If I'm mistaken, please correct me.) By default, we state that the artwork is done by Sugimori since the [[a:Template:Sugimoriart|associated template]] is defaulted to state that. However, once/if we get official confirmation that Ohmura has worked on the Pokémon artwork, we will definitely make the appropriate updates to the template, like what we did with the [[a:Template:Illuschar|character artwork template]]. Bottom line is, we don't want to make such drastic changes to such a high-use template solely based off of guesswork and speculation, since an update to the template would also involve moving the template and relinking it everywhere it's used. I hope you understand. --[[User:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95EB5C&quot;&gt;Carmen&lt;small&gt;★&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FEBEE8&quot;&gt;(Talk |&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A6DAFC&quot;&gt;contribs)&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 01:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::: Exactly, I was talking about the template. Again, I don't want it to be changed until there's official confirmation, but I think it's worth pointing out that not all Pokémon art may be done by Sugimori anymore.--[[User:Tuturuu|Tuturuu]] ([[User talk:Tuturuu|talk]]) 16:28, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Website ==<br /> <br /> Take this into consideration<br /> <br /> http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/rowlet/<br /> <br /> It has more info<br /> <br /> [[User:Dadijo2002|Dadijo2002]] ([[User talk:Dadijo2002|talk]]) 16:41, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's face ==<br /> <br /> Rowlet's face has vague (or strong) resemblance to a mandorla, 2 overlapping circles making an almond shape in the middle. This symbol is commonly used to represent heaven and earth, which i feel is relevant to it as a grass/flying type. (on a similar note of symbols on the new pokemon, littens forehead stripes and large eyes bare high resemblance to formation of the symbol for brimstone, also called sulfur, an element naturally occurring in and around volcanoes and hotsprings)--[[User:Puerluna|Puerluna]] ([[User talk:Puerluna|talk]]) 13:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :We will keep this in mind if its evolutions seem to be based on Christian Priests or almondsl. --[[User:Basinox|Basinox]] ([[User talk:Basinox|talk]]) 14:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :mandorlas have more than just that one meaning, and beyond christianity, and i meant earth and heaven on a broader definition than &quot;mortal earth and biblical heaven&quot;. so sassy... --[[User:Puerluna|Puerluna]] ([[User talk:Puerluna|talk]]) 06:56, 17 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Addition to Trivia: Rowlet's dual typing ==<br /> <br /> I haven't been able to edit the Rowlet page, but I think that the fact that Rowlet is the first dual typing since Bulbasaur is good for the trivia section.<br /> [[User:Srushj11|Srushj11]] ([[User talk:Srushj11|talk]]) 19:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :This was already discussed on this exact page. [[#Rowlet's typing|Look up]]. --[[User:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95EB5C&quot;&gt;Carmen&lt;small&gt;★&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FEBEE8&quot;&gt;(Talk |&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A6DAFC&quot;&gt;contribs)&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 22:09, 19 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==New Move==<br /> <br /> Two things. One: I think we could include in Trivia &quot;Rowlet is the only Pokémon Sun and Moon starter Pokémon to be revealed with a new move&quot; or just the first Gen 7 Pokemon, I also think someone could make a Leafage page. Or maybe not. --[[User:GameCubeAdvance|GameCubeAdvance]] 12:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :1) That's not really notable, especially with only four (counting Magearna) Pokemon revealed so far.<br /> :2) All we know about Leafage right now is its name and that it's a Grass-type move. That is no where close to enough to have an article made about it. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 12:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's Number (Again) ==<br /> <br /> In the Japenese Rotom Pokedex Trailer, it shows the Rowlet is 001 in the Alola region Pokedex, also confirming [[Magearna]] will not be doing another [[Victini]] thing with the #000.<br /> This means that in Regional Pokedexes, Rowlet is #001<br /> In National Dex, it's #722<br /> [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]])<br /> -Here is the Trailer that shows the starter's numbers, also confirming they have evolutions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc03tXikfJs [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 20:36, 11 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That doesn't prove anything. The answer is still no, we are not adding numbers until the game comes out. And of course they have evolutions. Why wouldn't they? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:39, 11 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::But could we not add its regional Alola dex number then? --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 23:39, 11 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::The Alola Pokédex appears to be split into sections like the Kalos Pokédex. As we don't yet know the English section names nor even the Japanese names for all the sections, we aren't yet adding the Alola Pokédex sections to the infobox. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:44, 11 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::But unlike the Kalos Pokedex, it also has one whole Alola Pokedex section, if you see what I'm saying. It's split, but there's also one who one that merges them together. When Sun and Moon comes out, should we put Alola and then &quot;Coastal&quot;, &quot;Mountain&quot; things like that? {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}<br /> :::::When S/M comes out...we'll figure it out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:32, 12 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Okay! sorry, I'm not trying to get in the way or be a distraction, I just like the facts to be 100% correct. Also, I made a comment of [[Talk: Rayquaza_(Pokémon)]] and list of variations featuring Zygarde.[[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 14:38, 12 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Venn Diagram ==<br /> <br /> The very first thing I noticed looking at Rowlet is that it's face is clearly supposed to resemble a Venn diagram, and other parts of it seem to be made of intersecting ovals as well. This has not gone completely unnoticed, but I found very little mention of it on the internet and I think it's worth a note in the trivia of this page. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> :It's mostly just an owl's face in cartoon form. What you're seeing is basically just coincidence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Pretty confident it's not. Apart from the curve at the top and bottom, Rowlet's beak lines up perfectly with the rest of the circle around it's eyes and a perfect venn diagram can be layed over the top, which is certainly not the case with a real owl at all. It's quite clearly purposeful. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> :::No, no it's not. And even if it was, we don't know nearly enough about Rowlet to justify adding it to the article. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::Like I said, this is a cartoon/drawing. You can't compare that to a real owl and necessarily draw conclusions from every thing that doesn't conform perfectly to real owls. Drawings aren't ''supposed'' to conform exactly. A simple oval is much easier than drawing a detailed beak. You're reading too much into simple shapes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:51, 2 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::I don't see how there's any more justification for mentioning that the leaves resemble a bowtie. Yeah they do (albeit an oddly shaped one), but his face also resembles a Venn diagram, and the leaves could just as easily just be leaves. It's not like it would have been harder to draw Rowlet's beak like, I dunno, an owl's actual beak, with a sharp downward point, rather than the convenient shape it is. I don't see how one is justified mentioning but the other is not. Plus Rowlet's name is (or at least the article considers it likely to be) a portmanteau of owl and round, which further suggests a link with the intersecting circle structure of the Venn diagram. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> ::::::The resemblance to a bowtie is mentioned in the Biology section, where it's purely descriptive&amp;mdash;it's meant to ''paint a picture'', not imply that there's necessarily any significance/intention to it (which is what you want for the Venn diagram you see). They're completely different things.<br /> ::::::I haven't said it outright, but personally, I don't really see a Venn diagram even if I'm looking for it, anyway. It just looks like an owl with big ol' owl eyes and a big honkin' owl &quot;nose&quot; to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:35, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Well I guess it's a little silly me even bothering with this. It's not that big a deal, but I'll show you an illustrated example anyway. http://65.media.tumblr.com/c3d78b0f3e6b4ecea4123f61f84620f5/tumblr_o70fffTRNf1qzkiifo1_1280.png<br /> :::::::And the owl nose, well I've yet to find any google images of owls with a beak shaped like 2 halves of an oval that meet together flat in the middle. They mostly look like this. http://animalia-life.com/data_images/owl/owl3.jpg very sharp downward beaks, like most raptors. I don't personally see the difference between saying 2 leaves look like a bowtie and saying it's face looks like a venn diagram but it's probably pointless for me to continue arguing on what is essentially an interesting but fairly trivial issue. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> ::::::::I really didn't need a demonstration... I ''get the idea'', but I don't think there's actually enough there to call it what you want to call it.<br /> ::::::::Also: {{wp|barn owl}}. Pretty close. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:47, 3 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::A barn owl would be a great idea for a love themed pokemon with a heart shaped face and a beak which points to the bottom of the heart from it's eyes. {{unsigned|Rowl}}<br /> <br /> == Possible Kakao basis ==<br /> <br /> I was wondering if there could be some basis on the Kakapo, otherwise known as the Owl Parrot -&gt; {{wp|Kakapo}}. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 09:21, 10 September 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokemon Bank Screenshots Confirm Rowlet's National Dex Number ==<br /> <br /> If you view the gallery on [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon-bank/ this page] on the official English site, it shows Rowlet's National Dex number, #722. [[User:Mettie7|Mettie7]] ([[User talk:Mettie7|talk]]) 22:06, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> I thought of a good trivia fact for Rowlet.<br /> <br /> &quot;Rowlet is the first bird-based Starter Pokémon that is part Flying-type.&quot;<br /> <br /> This is true because Torchic and Piplup are not part Flying-type and are based on flightless birds. Torchic's evolutions become part Fighting-type while Piplup's final evolved form becomes part Steel-type. <br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 03:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Giovanni&diff=2467438 2016-07-06T20:45:58Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia fact */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;!--New sections go at the BOTTOM of the page.--&gt;<br /> ==Reacting Faster==<br /> ''In battle Giovanni kicks his Pokéballs, much like [[Crystal]], '''in order to be able to react faster.'''''&lt;BR&gt;<br /> Should this be: in order to make his Pokémon react faster?&lt;BR&gt;<br /> - [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 13:30, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Actually, I'm almost positive it's referring to Giovanni's own reaction time, although the reverse could simultaneously be true. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 20:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Think his name comes from [[wp:Don Giovanni|Don Giovanni]]? Giovanni could be called a Don, though a different kind of one, and we already have [[Juan|another eighth Gym Leader]] as being named after him. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 00:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How could Kicking Pokéballs make HIM react faster?. I mean he sits in a chair in the shadows. First, if there in his pockets or on a belt, how COULD he kick them. If they were in front of him, {{p|Persian}} could knock them into battle. Or they would roll. Second. How could kicking his Pokéballs make his Pokémon react faster? Even if he shot a {{p|slowpoke}}'s [[pokéball]] out of a bazooka, that has nothing to do with Pokémon's reation time.--[[User:Machamp ion|Machamp ion]] 15:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Machamp_ion raises an interesting point here. I'd say he does it just for style. --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 16:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I put my _ in your post, but anyway, Yeah him or his pokemon, no difference in reaction times here I tested it my self with life size Pokéball toys and a buddy. No difference except the balls rolled into battle and would returned the pokémon in battle.--[[User:Machamp ion|Machamp ion]] 16:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Uh, no comment on the wording of the line, but you're totally confusing him with his anime counterpart. The manga incarnation of him does not &quot;sit on a chair in the shadows&quot; and isn't even known to have a Persian. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 01:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Forget me if I am wrong but due to the fact that the Special is considered to be what Satoshi Tajiri wanted the game world to be like and the fact that Nintendo approves of every thing that happens in it and the anime wouldn't Silver being Giovanni's son has been confirmed by the Big N. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 17:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Well, we wouldn't argue that in the games Lance is evil, would we? We wouldn't argue that in the games the RB hero is called Ash instead of Red, would we? There are many common story elements among the manga, anime, and games, but there are many distinct differences that keep them from being synonymous media. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::: Tajiri actually said it is the most accurate portrayl of the world he imagined, he did not say it WAS the world he imagined. And Giovanni doesn't kick his Poke Balls for anyone's reaction time. The reason he in fact does this is to get the Pokemon out quicker. He counts how long in seconds it will take him to do everything, so he tries to shave off as many seconds as possible in any way he can, not so he or his Pokemon can react faster. Also, Machamp ion's point doesn't really make sense, he's thinking of the anime's portrayl of Giovanni, I don't recall Giovanni once sitting in a chair in the Special, nor does he have a Persian. The author of that sentence is referring to the Special manga, judging by the mention of Crystal, who does in fact kick her balls in Special.<br /> <br /> == Red in relation to hair? ==<br /> What was the debate? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :A very good question, I've always wondered that... I mean, what else COULD it mean but that his kid's hair is red? &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::I believe the debate was over what exactly qualifies as &quot;red hair.&quot; After that clue was revealed there was a lot of speculation, reaching as far as [[Blue]] (Because the FRLG art of blue has that orange/brown kinda hair.) and [[Misty]], there was even minor speculation that [[Jessie]] could be the kid (this was short lived seeing as she is an Anime only character, [[Pokémon Yellow]] being the exception.) So from that branched the debate of what &quot;red hair&quot; is exactly. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 07:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deoxys ==<br /> <br /> Didn't Giovanni release Deoxys at the end of FR/LG arc? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :No, Giovanni died so Deoxys was released. I've read Volume 27. And, after Deoxys ran off, this other TR girl came along and tried to turn it into stone and--You know the rest. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sup&gt;''10:23 23 May 2008'''''<br /> <br /> == Why does... ==<br /> <br /> Why does Giovanni want Pikachu in the Anime? :\ I've never understood why, it's not like Ash's Pikachu is a shiny, or has some super-powerful-move or something (unless Pikachu is secretly some super powerful android Pokémon or a super powerful Clone like Mewtwo...). So yeah...Why does he want Pikachu so bad? [[User:Takoto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2E0854&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Takoto&lt;/b&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :He doesn't. Team Rocket wants Pikachu to give to &quot;the boss&quot; as a gift after seeing its power in [[EP002]]. '''&lt;span style=&quot;background:#4B0082&quot;&gt;[[User:Pachirisulover12|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;PL&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA500&quot;&gt;12&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 19:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Oh. Sorry ^^; It's been ages since i watched the first few episodes, i guess i forgot. [[User:Takoto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2E0854&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Takoto&lt;/b&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It DOES know Volt Tackle, which is a &quot;super-powerful-move&quot; for a Pikachu.--[[User:Ozzie|Ozzie]] 19:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::True, but they started after Pikachu after they saw it's powerful Thunderbolt. '''&lt;span style=&quot;background:#4B0082&quot;&gt;[[User:Pachirisulover12|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;PL&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA500&quot;&gt;12&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 19:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uhh, yeah, but Pikachu didn't know Volt Tackle until later on in the Anime |: I know for a fact it didn't use it in any of the episodes before they met May + Max... So yeah. [[User:Takoto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2E0854&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Takoto&lt;/b&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> Do you think it could be funny if Jessie, James, and Meowth finally brought Pikachu to the boss but Giovanni rejected him, so Team Rocket wasted the whole anime going after a worthless common rat for nothing? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:48, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :That's probably what would happen; Pikachu isn't a very good Pokémon. [[User:Frankjohnson123|Frankjohnson123]] 22:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> that talk is for the forums...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Giovanni's kid ==<br /> <br /> ''(Though it was most likely referring to red, considering how the pronoun &quot;him&quot; was used in the Japanese version with apparantly both Red and Leaf)''<br /> <br /> I deleted the previous line for two reasons: the &quot;him&quot; wasn't actually in the Japanese (the translation of it adds it so the wording makes more sense -- see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=78140&amp;postcount=23]), and in the English language &quot;him&quot; does not necessary imply the subject is male. In any case, what do you mean by &quot;most likely referring to Red&quot;? That Red was actually Gio's son, or that Gideon was meant to only talk to Red? [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 23:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :The red refers to his kid's hair, not his kid's name. Red has brown hair, remember? '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::The Gideon quote refers to hair, yes. I'm talking about in the removed line by Weedle Mchairybug, who added it in -- I can't make sense of it, and it doesn't seem to me to be talking about hair color. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 23:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::How the hell could he be talking about Red the character when he's the kid standing right infront of him? (If you choose the male). The player IS Red! --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::I think I can translate (apologies to Mr. Mchairybug if I get it wrong). He's trying to say that &quot;This text was likely meant to be said to Red, rather than Leaf, because of the presence of a male pronoun in the Japanese version.&quot; It's not clear whether he's trying to say the writers wrote this only for Red because of their mistake, or Gideon's, or what. Although as IIMarckus pointed out, the pronoun was changed to masculine to awkward wording in the translation (I don't know Japanese, but I'm assuming it's because it would have been roughly equivalent to &quot;it,&quot; which can be kind of demeaning). --[[User:Martonimos|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot;&gt;Martonimos&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Martonimos|((&lt;font color=&quot;#00FF00&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;))]]&lt;/sub&gt; 04:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::I'm taking a Japanese class. All I know is that when any gender pronouns are used, the user is talking about themselves. There is really no such thing as &quot;he&quot; or &quot;she&quot; in a conversation. At least, not that I've learned yet. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, Martonimos. Also, I was meaning the translation (the way it was translated made it seem as though Gideon was talking to Red due to his using the Male pronoun (If he had used a different gender pronoun depending on the Gender, I wouldn't have been in this rut.)<br /> ::::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Live ==<br /> <br /> Here's an excerpt from the synopsis at [http://trsrockin.com/script.html TRsRockin]:&lt;br&gt;<br /> ''Delia tells Professor Oak about her less-than-perfect life in the past and her acquaintance with Giovanni. When she was a teenager, she used to hang out with a crowd of bad kids. One of her friends back then was starting up a gang that later became Team Rocket. She straightened her life out once she met Ash's father, and became the upstanding woman she is now.''&lt;br&gt;<br /> So Giovanni is not Ash's father in that canon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 15:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :|: Whatever, i was just going by the reviews of it i read on the internet. I'm off to find Deidara Doujins |: *goes off* [[User:Takoto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2E0854&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Takoto タコト&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F4C2C2&quot;&gt; サソデイ = 愛&lt;/span&gt; 16:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Original VA Back==<br /> <br /> Well for those who watched today's episode, Ed Paul was in the credits and Craig Blair was not....this is going to cause some mixed reactions to fans.<br /> <br /> --[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 15:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==realized he had far too many Yanma==<br /> How do we know it? He didn't say anything about it.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 09:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Reworded. &amp;mdash; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;font color=&quot;#0000C8&quot;&gt;THE TROM&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] &amp;mdash; 11:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokemon in LGFR ==<br /> <br /> Are we sure he has two Rhyhorn and no Rhydon in LGFR? I don't know, having not played the games in a while. It just seems odd to me, given that he has a Rhyhorn and a Rhydon in RB and most LGFR Leaders seem to follow their RB teams and also, that his final Pokemon should not be evolved. Just seemed strange to me.<br /> :I'm pretty sure it was two Rhyhorn, although that does still seem strange --[[User:HAH08|&lt;font color=&quot;#0000FF&quot;&gt;'''H'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[Arcanine (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;#FF0000&quot;&gt;'''A'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[Houndoom (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;'''H'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HAH08|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;'''08'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 19:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Appearances ==<br /> <br /> I don't know about this, but should Giovanni be listed in the episode appearances for Meowth's fantasies? [[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000033&quot;&gt;'''Jm'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000099&quot;&gt;'''a'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000033&quot;&gt;'''th'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the &quot;Anime&quot; section. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == ... ==<br /> <br /> Can somebody please fix the page? I don't know what would be messing it up, and don't want to kill the thing. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. Someone forgot to close their div tags, but I have replaced them with a br instead. Tis safer. &amp;mdash; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;font color=&quot;#0000C8&quot;&gt;THE TROM&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] &amp;mdash; 22:15, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Thanks. I thought it would've been worked out when it happened a few days ago, but nobody did anything. And I'm not smart enough to do that on my own anyways. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Roster==<br /> What Pokemon does Giovanni use in HeartGold and SoulSilver? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 21:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> : Serebii's working on cracking that right now. I think some of the others are looking for it too. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Giovanni in HG and SS ==<br /> <br /> which role will he plays in this games? --[[User:TheRock4life|TheRock4life]] 21:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :And what does he own in it? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 21:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::According to serebii.net, he is in some role involving Celebi time travelling with you and your opposite player character. He makes references to Red and you do get to battle him. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 21:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Yeah, Celebi warps you and Kotone/Hibiki back in time, you witness Giovanni abandoning Silver, then are warped to a cave in the present and fight him. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 00:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ekans and Koffing ==<br /> <br /> How do we know Giovanni actually gave them to Jessie and James? It could've been their parents or friends, besides they didn't even state who gave them Kofing and Ekans.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lugia (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:27, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Yeah. [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 05:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Master ball? ==<br /> <br /> Look very good at this picture. &lt;br /&gt;<br /> [[Image:Spr FRLG Giovanni.png|center]] &lt;br /&gt;<br /> He's holding a [[Master ball]]?<br /> --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 22:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Just checked the colors on MS Paint, and yes, that is purple. '''[[Team Rocket|&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #550000;&quot;&gt;R.A.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FF2400&quot;&gt;Hunter&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FF2400&quot;&gt;Blade&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 22:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Would this be trivia-worthy? He was infiltrating Silph in order to obtain the Master Ball, yet he seems to already have one. Seems contradictory to me.--[[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 00:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::He could've grabbed one before the player challenges him. &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' &lt;/small&gt; 11:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> But didn't you battle him before in the Rocket Hideout in the basement of Rocket game corner in Celadon City? He keeps the same sprite throughout the game, so he seems to already have the Master Ball. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Might just mean that he managed to grab one and they're just going there to get more. I dunno, I'm guessing here. &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' &lt;/small&gt; 00:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Palette. The R on his jacket is also purple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> So maybe it's just a normal poké ball in the shadows? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 14:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :That's possible, but it looks more like a normal Poké Ball that is purple as the real Master Ball has two pink circles ([[File:SugimoriMasterBall.png]]). Isn't there a purple Poké Ball in the intro of &quot;[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]&quot; (there is a picture close to the bottom of the page, can't post here for sizing reasons)? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|&lt;sup&gt;talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 19:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - fixed code [[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|&lt;sup&gt;talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 19:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Titles ==<br /> <br /> You say that Giovanni is the only one to have two titles, being &quot;Boss&quot; and &quot;Gym Leader&quot;. What about &quot;Gym Leader&quot; &quot;Lieutenant&quot; Surge? --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] 10:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :I think that in this case &quot;Lt. Surge&quot; is considered to be the character's name as one phrase. The important part about Giovanni's titles is that he uses them at two separate stages of the same game(s). &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 10:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::What about Rival Blue and Champion Blue? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Different games, that's why Wallace and Koga are excluded too.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::What are you talking about? Blue is the rival and the Champion in the same games. [[User:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Red&quot;&gt;Cu&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Tan&quot;&gt;bo&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Green color light&quot;&gt;ne&lt;/font&gt;]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;Black&quot;&gt;King&lt;/font&gt;]] 02:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Sorry, my brain superimposed the word &quot;leader&quot; over &quot;rival&quot;. Anyway, we could specify that Giovanni is the only one to have another title in the same games he's a Gym Leader.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 12:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Giovanni's Cloyster==<br /> In the Pokemon Adventures manga, Chapter 24, Red meets Giovanni in the diglet's cave.<br /> At the end in that chapter, Giovanni uses his cloyster to defeat 2 magmar.<br /> So his Cloyster isn't only seen in the Team Rocket HQ. ~Rsandee<br /> :Where exactly are you talking about? It doesn't say that in the Adventures section. It even mentions that he uses it do destroy the two Magmar. Also, please sign you comments with 4 tildes (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). &lt;sc&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sc&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Page is getting too big ==<br /> <br /> On the edit page, it says that the official page is over 32kb and it should be broken into smaller sections. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;PattyMan&lt;/span&gt;]] 23:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :He's right..my IE just went into compatibility mode the moment I clicked...maybe we should split his anime section (and probably his adventures section..he's a pretty big character in there) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:23, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::The sections that are split should be renamed 'Giovanni (anime)' and 'Giovanni (Adventures)'. One of us should do this. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;PattyMan&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Hold your horses just a bit. There needs to be some proper discussion on the matter first, not just two people agreeing, as was the case for Misty and Brock. For reference, this page is currently as big as Misty's was when it was split (in terms of bytes); roughly 51kB. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 01:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::What happened when they got split? Also, put up the template on it's page that has the split thing (if there won't be any edit wars). [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;PattyMan&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::There was a discussion on the Bulbawiki Forum. Ideally though, talk page should be used too. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 02:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Okay, so here are the main arguments I can see for splitting those sections off. Adventures: Major antagonist of the RGB chapter, helps Yellow out against Lance in the Yellow chapter, Major protagonist again in the FRLG chapter. Anime: Major antagonist of [[Mewtwo Returns]] and has regular cameo appearances (''not'' including the boss fantasies). For arguments against, it basically comes down to whether his roles in the different media are separate enough for individual pages. Please discuss. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 11:04, 13 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I support the split. I actually got the &quot;page is too long&quot; error back when I tried to edit in his English HGSS trainer class earlier this year, and given that he has now become a major antagonist in the anime again, I'd say there's plenty to split. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I also support it. If there is too much to be told about him, then why not split? --'''[[User:Netto-kun|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006&quot;&gt;Netto-kun&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Netto-kun|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_Veto LIBERUM VETO!] --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 22:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::What do you mean? --'''[[User:Netto-kun|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006&quot;&gt;Netto-kun&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Netto-kun|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::'''Support''' - This is a huge page, and there is no reason not to split. &lt;sub style=&quot;color:#00008B;&quot;&gt;'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''&lt;/sub&gt; &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I '''Support''' this too. He's becoming a major antagonist again, this could mean a lot of incoming info -'''[[User:Gengarzilla|I Liek Gengarz!]] &lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Gengarzilla|Do Joo Liek Dem?]]&lt;/sub&gt;''' 15:03, 27 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::I have already said &quot;Liberum Veto&quot;. In Old Polish legislature, when someone shouted this during session, the postulate was automatically rejected and the matter couldn't be discussed anymore. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::That has nothing to do with this &gt;_&gt; [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 15:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I also agree that it should be split. The page seems to be stretching out a bit. --[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 03:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I '''support''' this as well. He is a major player in ''Adventures'', and his role in the anime is really quite different, considering that the places and ways in which he has direct involvement are very unlike the games, as is most of his indirect involvement. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 19:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::: I support this! bring out the mead! (&lt;--- Idk) but yea Giovanni's been a major antagonist for a long time, then he died down, now he's coming back to being a major antagonist again. It seems like he should've had different articles long ago. so I say separate them and do your stuff people. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 15:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error ==<br /> In the Trivia section of this page, it says Giovanni is the only Kanto gym leader to not appear in every generation Kanto appeared in. I've never played a Generation 1 game, but on the [[Janine]] page there is no mention that she appeared in generation 1, and she was a Kanto gym leader. Does anybody know if that statement about Giovanni is true? --[[User:Jelloratbob|Jelloratbob]] 20:59, 26 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> :New comments to the bottom please. You're right, whoever added it forgot about Janine. I've removed the trivia point. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 01:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> == Anime ==<br /> Just wondering, shouldn't Giovanni have his own page for his anime counterpart (especially since he's starting to appear more again in the Best Wishes series) ([[User:Matty19892009|Matty19892009]] 20:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC))<br /> : I agree he should. He's appeared countless times throughout the series, so he should get his own article. Especially if Best Wishes is bringing back his appearances. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 14:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::There is a disscution on this above guys, not tht it's going anywhere [[User:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Diamond&lt;/font&gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;Lanturn&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;CodeName: 05308&lt;/font&gt;]] 14:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::: I saw that after I posted and I was like.... &quot;wait what? Why aren't these together?&quot; [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 14:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::He shouldn't. What the hell's up with all that splitting lately? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Ok I'm getting to confuzzled trying to post here and in the other area, so I'm just gonna post here. That's your opinion Maxim, but Giovanni is becoming a major antagonist again. Why shouldn't he have his own article. More specifically, why do you think he shouldn't? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 15:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Because it's still the same character. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::The main reason why the move was suggested is because this page is HUGE and is straining the server [[User:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Diamond&lt;/font&gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;Lanturn&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;CodeName: 05308&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Please stop making assumptions everyone. While huge pages ''aren't'' a large strain on the server, they are a problem for those with slower internet connections, and certain browser/OS combinations. As a result, some of them have requested that it be split. However for it to be split, it would have to be decided that the resultant articles would all be a) Notable in their own right and b) sufficiently different. Most of the admins I've spoken to believe that it currently fails those tests. If any section was split off, it would probably be the adventures section first - he has a greater role there than in the anime. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 01:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::: Well I personally disagree with the idea that the anime article wouldn't be notable in its own right, but unfortunately I'm not an admin so I can't do anything but say &quot;Whatever&quot;. So.... whatever. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 07:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::I agree to have the anime section have it's own page. That way the page would be able to talk more Team Rocket sort than just being a ground type Gym leader. --&lt;small&gt;[[User:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink &quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 00:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::But he is a Team Rocket leader in the games too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::Now that I'm looking at the page, it's very long. I would not only suggest moving the anime section, but also the manga section. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|&lt;sup&gt;talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 16:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I also agree that the manga section can be split off especially since he has played an important role in three different chapters. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 05:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Same VA? ==<br /> <br /> I don't know if anyone was paying much attention to the English dub of the Best Wishes series, but Giovanni's voice really sounds different from when he was last in the anime. It's sort of an off-English accent. –'''[[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error ==<br /> <br /> &quot;In Pokémon Adventures, Giovanni is the only evil team leader who is still alive after his exploits.<br /> However, characters may not consider Pryce, Maxie, Archie, or Cyrus to be dead, since they were last seen disappearing into Time and Space.&quot;<br /> <br /> I think you are forgetting the fact that Archie admitted killing Maxie during the Emerald saga, unless you mean &quot;immediately death&quot;.[[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 17:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> :That thing shouldn't even be there in the first place. The manga section isn't that well monitored, actually. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == gen 5 ==<br /> <br /> because giovanni has been confermed for black 2 and white 2's world tourniment. should we add gen 5 to his list of generations --[[User:Themudkipman|Themudkipman]] 18:30, 14 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga ==<br /> <br /> He has a seperate page for this, so can someone take it of this one? [[User:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Diamond&lt;/font&gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;Lanturn&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;CodeName: 05308&lt;/font&gt;]] 20:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :The incomplete tag needs to be taken down too. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:38, 25 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> I thought of a good trivia fact.<br /> <br /> '''Giovanni is the only Gym Leader who is also a boss of a villianous organization.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 00:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I actually think this trivia is pretty weak. We might as well add to Koga's page &quot;Koga is the only Gym Leader who is a ninja&quot;. It's just too...specific. I mean, there's really no reason why there SHOULD be more than one Gym Leader who's also the boss of a villainous organization. As a result, I've decided to remove the trivia, though if someone disagrees it can always be re-added, of course. [[User:Brock Kent|Brock Kent]] ([[User talk:Brock Kent|talk]]) 03:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> For your information, no other villainous boss is a Gym Leader. For example, Cyrus, Ghestis and Lysandre are villainous bosses, but they are &quot;not&quot; gym leaders.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 20:44, 6 July 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Giovanni&diff=2467437 2016-07-06T20:44:45Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia fact */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;!--New sections go at the BOTTOM of the page.--&gt;<br /> ==Reacting Faster==<br /> ''In battle Giovanni kicks his Pokéballs, much like [[Crystal]], '''in order to be able to react faster.'''''&lt;BR&gt;<br /> Should this be: in order to make his Pokémon react faster?&lt;BR&gt;<br /> - [[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 13:30, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Actually, I'm almost positive it's referring to Giovanni's own reaction time, although the reverse could simultaneously be true. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 20:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Think his name comes from [[wp:Don Giovanni|Don Giovanni]]? Giovanni could be called a Don, though a different kind of one, and we already have [[Juan|another eighth Gym Leader]] as being named after him. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 00:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How could Kicking Pokéballs make HIM react faster?. I mean he sits in a chair in the shadows. First, if there in his pockets or on a belt, how COULD he kick them. If they were in front of him, {{p|Persian}} could knock them into battle. Or they would roll. Second. How could kicking his Pokéballs make his Pokémon react faster? Even if he shot a {{p|slowpoke}}'s [[pokéball]] out of a bazooka, that has nothing to do with Pokémon's reation time.--[[User:Machamp ion|Machamp ion]] 15:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Machamp_ion raises an interesting point here. I'd say he does it just for style. --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 16:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I put my _ in your post, but anyway, Yeah him or his pokemon, no difference in reaction times here I tested it my self with life size Pokéball toys and a buddy. No difference except the balls rolled into battle and would returned the pokémon in battle.--[[User:Machamp ion|Machamp ion]] 16:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Uh, no comment on the wording of the line, but you're totally confusing him with his anime counterpart. The manga incarnation of him does not &quot;sit on a chair in the shadows&quot; and isn't even known to have a Persian. [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 01:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Forget me if I am wrong but due to the fact that the Special is considered to be what Satoshi Tajiri wanted the game world to be like and the fact that Nintendo approves of every thing that happens in it and the anime wouldn't Silver being Giovanni's son has been confirmed by the Big N. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 17:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Well, we wouldn't argue that in the games Lance is evil, would we? We wouldn't argue that in the games the RB hero is called Ash instead of Red, would we? There are many common story elements among the manga, anime, and games, but there are many distinct differences that keep them from being synonymous media. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::: Tajiri actually said it is the most accurate portrayl of the world he imagined, he did not say it WAS the world he imagined. And Giovanni doesn't kick his Poke Balls for anyone's reaction time. The reason he in fact does this is to get the Pokemon out quicker. He counts how long in seconds it will take him to do everything, so he tries to shave off as many seconds as possible in any way he can, not so he or his Pokemon can react faster. Also, Machamp ion's point doesn't really make sense, he's thinking of the anime's portrayl of Giovanni, I don't recall Giovanni once sitting in a chair in the Special, nor does he have a Persian. The author of that sentence is referring to the Special manga, judging by the mention of Crystal, who does in fact kick her balls in Special.<br /> <br /> == Red in relation to hair? ==<br /> What was the debate? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :A very good question, I've always wondered that... I mean, what else COULD it mean but that his kid's hair is red? &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::I believe the debate was over what exactly qualifies as &quot;red hair.&quot; After that clue was revealed there was a lot of speculation, reaching as far as [[Blue]] (Because the FRLG art of blue has that orange/brown kinda hair.) and [[Misty]], there was even minor speculation that [[Jessie]] could be the kid (this was short lived seeing as she is an Anime only character, [[Pokémon Yellow]] being the exception.) So from that branched the debate of what &quot;red hair&quot; is exactly. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 07:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deoxys ==<br /> <br /> Didn't Giovanni release Deoxys at the end of FR/LG arc? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :No, Giovanni died so Deoxys was released. I've read Volume 27. And, after Deoxys ran off, this other TR girl came along and tried to turn it into stone and--You know the rest. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sup&gt;''10:23 23 May 2008'''''<br /> <br /> == Why does... ==<br /> <br /> Why does Giovanni want Pikachu in the Anime? :\ I've never understood why, it's not like Ash's Pikachu is a shiny, or has some super-powerful-move or something (unless Pikachu is secretly some super powerful android Pokémon or a super powerful Clone like Mewtwo...). So yeah...Why does he want Pikachu so bad? [[User:Takoto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2E0854&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Takoto&lt;/b&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :He doesn't. Team Rocket wants Pikachu to give to &quot;the boss&quot; as a gift after seeing its power in [[EP002]]. '''&lt;span style=&quot;background:#4B0082&quot;&gt;[[User:Pachirisulover12|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;PL&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA500&quot;&gt;12&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 19:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Oh. Sorry ^^; It's been ages since i watched the first few episodes, i guess i forgot. [[User:Takoto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2E0854&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Takoto&lt;/b&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It DOES know Volt Tackle, which is a &quot;super-powerful-move&quot; for a Pikachu.--[[User:Ozzie|Ozzie]] 19:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::True, but they started after Pikachu after they saw it's powerful Thunderbolt. '''&lt;span style=&quot;background:#4B0082&quot;&gt;[[User:Pachirisulover12|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;PL&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA500&quot;&gt;12&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 19:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uhh, yeah, but Pikachu didn't know Volt Tackle until later on in the Anime |: I know for a fact it didn't use it in any of the episodes before they met May + Max... So yeah. [[User:Takoto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2E0854&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Takoto&lt;/b&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> Do you think it could be funny if Jessie, James, and Meowth finally brought Pikachu to the boss but Giovanni rejected him, so Team Rocket wasted the whole anime going after a worthless common rat for nothing? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:48, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :That's probably what would happen; Pikachu isn't a very good Pokémon. [[User:Frankjohnson123|Frankjohnson123]] 22:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> that talk is for the forums...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Giovanni's kid ==<br /> <br /> ''(Though it was most likely referring to red, considering how the pronoun &quot;him&quot; was used in the Japanese version with apparantly both Red and Leaf)''<br /> <br /> I deleted the previous line for two reasons: the &quot;him&quot; wasn't actually in the Japanese (the translation of it adds it so the wording makes more sense -- see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=78140&amp;postcount=23]), and in the English language &quot;him&quot; does not necessary imply the subject is male. In any case, what do you mean by &quot;most likely referring to Red&quot;? That Red was actually Gio's son, or that Gideon was meant to only talk to Red? [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 23:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :The red refers to his kid's hair, not his kid's name. Red has brown hair, remember? '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::The Gideon quote refers to hair, yes. I'm talking about in the removed line by Weedle Mchairybug, who added it in -- I can't make sense of it, and it doesn't seem to me to be talking about hair color. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 23:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::How the hell could he be talking about Red the character when he's the kid standing right infront of him? (If you choose the male). The player IS Red! --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::I think I can translate (apologies to Mr. Mchairybug if I get it wrong). He's trying to say that &quot;This text was likely meant to be said to Red, rather than Leaf, because of the presence of a male pronoun in the Japanese version.&quot; It's not clear whether he's trying to say the writers wrote this only for Red because of their mistake, or Gideon's, or what. Although as IIMarckus pointed out, the pronoun was changed to masculine to awkward wording in the translation (I don't know Japanese, but I'm assuming it's because it would have been roughly equivalent to &quot;it,&quot; which can be kind of demeaning). --[[User:Martonimos|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot;&gt;Martonimos&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Martonimos|((&lt;font color=&quot;#00FF00&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;))]]&lt;/sub&gt; 04:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::I'm taking a Japanese class. All I know is that when any gender pronouns are used, the user is talking about themselves. There is really no such thing as &quot;he&quot; or &quot;she&quot; in a conversation. At least, not that I've learned yet. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, Martonimos. Also, I was meaning the translation (the way it was translated made it seem as though Gideon was talking to Red due to his using the Male pronoun (If he had used a different gender pronoun depending on the Gender, I wouldn't have been in this rut.)<br /> ::::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Live ==<br /> <br /> Here's an excerpt from the synopsis at [http://trsrockin.com/script.html TRsRockin]:&lt;br&gt;<br /> ''Delia tells Professor Oak about her less-than-perfect life in the past and her acquaintance with Giovanni. When she was a teenager, she used to hang out with a crowd of bad kids. One of her friends back then was starting up a gang that later became Team Rocket. She straightened her life out once she met Ash's father, and became the upstanding woman she is now.''&lt;br&gt;<br /> So Giovanni is not Ash's father in that canon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 15:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :|: Whatever, i was just going by the reviews of it i read on the internet. I'm off to find Deidara Doujins |: *goes off* [[User:Takoto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2E0854&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Takoto タコト&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F4C2C2&quot;&gt; サソデイ = 愛&lt;/span&gt; 16:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Original VA Back==<br /> <br /> Well for those who watched today's episode, Ed Paul was in the credits and Craig Blair was not....this is going to cause some mixed reactions to fans.<br /> <br /> --[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 15:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==realized he had far too many Yanma==<br /> How do we know it? He didn't say anything about it.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 09:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Reworded. &amp;mdash; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;font color=&quot;#0000C8&quot;&gt;THE TROM&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] &amp;mdash; 11:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokemon in LGFR ==<br /> <br /> Are we sure he has two Rhyhorn and no Rhydon in LGFR? I don't know, having not played the games in a while. It just seems odd to me, given that he has a Rhyhorn and a Rhydon in RB and most LGFR Leaders seem to follow their RB teams and also, that his final Pokemon should not be evolved. Just seemed strange to me.<br /> :I'm pretty sure it was two Rhyhorn, although that does still seem strange --[[User:HAH08|&lt;font color=&quot;#0000FF&quot;&gt;'''H'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[Arcanine (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;#FF0000&quot;&gt;'''A'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[Houndoom (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;'''H'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HAH08|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;'''08'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 19:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Appearances ==<br /> <br /> I don't know about this, but should Giovanni be listed in the episode appearances for Meowth's fantasies? [[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000033&quot;&gt;'''Jm'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000099&quot;&gt;'''a'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000033&quot;&gt;'''th'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the &quot;Anime&quot; section. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == ... ==<br /> <br /> Can somebody please fix the page? I don't know what would be messing it up, and don't want to kill the thing. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. Someone forgot to close their div tags, but I have replaced them with a br instead. Tis safer. &amp;mdash; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;font color=&quot;#0000C8&quot;&gt;THE TROM&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] &amp;mdash; 22:15, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Thanks. I thought it would've been worked out when it happened a few days ago, but nobody did anything. And I'm not smart enough to do that on my own anyways. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Roster==<br /> What Pokemon does Giovanni use in HeartGold and SoulSilver? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 21:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> : Serebii's working on cracking that right now. I think some of the others are looking for it too. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Giovanni in HG and SS ==<br /> <br /> which role will he plays in this games? --[[User:TheRock4life|TheRock4life]] 21:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :And what does he own in it? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 21:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::According to serebii.net, he is in some role involving Celebi time travelling with you and your opposite player character. He makes references to Red and you do get to battle him. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 21:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Yeah, Celebi warps you and Kotone/Hibiki back in time, you witness Giovanni abandoning Silver, then are warped to a cave in the present and fight him. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 00:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ekans and Koffing ==<br /> <br /> How do we know Giovanni actually gave them to Jessie and James? It could've been their parents or friends, besides they didn't even state who gave them Kofing and Ekans.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lugia (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:27, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Yeah. [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 05:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Master ball? ==<br /> <br /> Look very good at this picture. &lt;br /&gt;<br /> [[Image:Spr FRLG Giovanni.png|center]] &lt;br /&gt;<br /> He's holding a [[Master ball]]?<br /> --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 22:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Just checked the colors on MS Paint, and yes, that is purple. '''[[Team Rocket|&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #550000;&quot;&gt;R.A.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FF2400&quot;&gt;Hunter&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FF2400&quot;&gt;Blade&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 22:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Would this be trivia-worthy? He was infiltrating Silph in order to obtain the Master Ball, yet he seems to already have one. Seems contradictory to me.--[[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 00:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::He could've grabbed one before the player challenges him. &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' &lt;/small&gt; 11:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> But didn't you battle him before in the Rocket Hideout in the basement of Rocket game corner in Celadon City? He keeps the same sprite throughout the game, so he seems to already have the Master Ball. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Might just mean that he managed to grab one and they're just going there to get more. I dunno, I'm guessing here. &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' &lt;/small&gt; 00:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Palette. The R on his jacket is also purple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> So maybe it's just a normal poké ball in the shadows? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 14:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :That's possible, but it looks more like a normal Poké Ball that is purple as the real Master Ball has two pink circles ([[File:SugimoriMasterBall.png]]). Isn't there a purple Poké Ball in the intro of &quot;[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]&quot; (there is a picture close to the bottom of the page, can't post here for sizing reasons)? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|&lt;sup&gt;talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 19:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - fixed code [[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|&lt;sup&gt;talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 19:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Titles ==<br /> <br /> You say that Giovanni is the only one to have two titles, being &quot;Boss&quot; and &quot;Gym Leader&quot;. What about &quot;Gym Leader&quot; &quot;Lieutenant&quot; Surge? --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] 10:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :I think that in this case &quot;Lt. Surge&quot; is considered to be the character's name as one phrase. The important part about Giovanni's titles is that he uses them at two separate stages of the same game(s). &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 10:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::What about Rival Blue and Champion Blue? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Different games, that's why Wallace and Koga are excluded too.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::What are you talking about? Blue is the rival and the Champion in the same games. [[User:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Red&quot;&gt;Cu&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Tan&quot;&gt;bo&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Green color light&quot;&gt;ne&lt;/font&gt;]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;Black&quot;&gt;King&lt;/font&gt;]] 02:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Sorry, my brain superimposed the word &quot;leader&quot; over &quot;rival&quot;. Anyway, we could specify that Giovanni is the only one to have another title in the same games he's a Gym Leader.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 12:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Giovanni's Cloyster==<br /> In the Pokemon Adventures manga, Chapter 24, Red meets Giovanni in the diglet's cave.<br /> At the end in that chapter, Giovanni uses his cloyster to defeat 2 magmar.<br /> So his Cloyster isn't only seen in the Team Rocket HQ. ~Rsandee<br /> :Where exactly are you talking about? It doesn't say that in the Adventures section. It even mentions that he uses it do destroy the two Magmar. Also, please sign you comments with 4 tildes (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). &lt;sc&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sc&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Page is getting too big ==<br /> <br /> On the edit page, it says that the official page is over 32kb and it should be broken into smaller sections. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;PattyMan&lt;/span&gt;]] 23:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :He's right..my IE just went into compatibility mode the moment I clicked...maybe we should split his anime section (and probably his adventures section..he's a pretty big character in there) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:23, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::The sections that are split should be renamed 'Giovanni (anime)' and 'Giovanni (Adventures)'. One of us should do this. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;PattyMan&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Hold your horses just a bit. There needs to be some proper discussion on the matter first, not just two people agreeing, as was the case for Misty and Brock. For reference, this page is currently as big as Misty's was when it was split (in terms of bytes); roughly 51kB. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 01:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::What happened when they got split? Also, put up the template on it's page that has the split thing (if there won't be any edit wars). [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;PattyMan&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::There was a discussion on the Bulbawiki Forum. Ideally though, talk page should be used too. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 02:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Okay, so here are the main arguments I can see for splitting those sections off. Adventures: Major antagonist of the RGB chapter, helps Yellow out against Lance in the Yellow chapter, Major protagonist again in the FRLG chapter. Anime: Major antagonist of [[Mewtwo Returns]] and has regular cameo appearances (''not'' including the boss fantasies). For arguments against, it basically comes down to whether his roles in the different media are separate enough for individual pages. Please discuss. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 11:04, 13 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I support the split. I actually got the &quot;page is too long&quot; error back when I tried to edit in his English HGSS trainer class earlier this year, and given that he has now become a major antagonist in the anime again, I'd say there's plenty to split. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I also support it. If there is too much to be told about him, then why not split? --'''[[User:Netto-kun|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006&quot;&gt;Netto-kun&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Netto-kun|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_Veto LIBERUM VETO!] --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 22:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::What do you mean? --'''[[User:Netto-kun|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006&quot;&gt;Netto-kun&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Netto-kun|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::'''Support''' - This is a huge page, and there is no reason not to split. &lt;sub style=&quot;color:#00008B;&quot;&gt;'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''&lt;/sub&gt; &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I '''Support''' this too. He's becoming a major antagonist again, this could mean a lot of incoming info -'''[[User:Gengarzilla|I Liek Gengarz!]] &lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Gengarzilla|Do Joo Liek Dem?]]&lt;/sub&gt;''' 15:03, 27 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::I have already said &quot;Liberum Veto&quot;. In Old Polish legislature, when someone shouted this during session, the postulate was automatically rejected and the matter couldn't be discussed anymore. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::That has nothing to do with this &gt;_&gt; [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 15:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I also agree that it should be split. The page seems to be stretching out a bit. --[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 03:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I '''support''' this as well. He is a major player in ''Adventures'', and his role in the anime is really quite different, considering that the places and ways in which he has direct involvement are very unlike the games, as is most of his indirect involvement. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 19:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::: I support this! bring out the mead! (&lt;--- Idk) but yea Giovanni's been a major antagonist for a long time, then he died down, now he's coming back to being a major antagonist again. It seems like he should've had different articles long ago. so I say separate them and do your stuff people. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 15:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error ==<br /> In the Trivia section of this page, it says Giovanni is the only Kanto gym leader to not appear in every generation Kanto appeared in. I've never played a Generation 1 game, but on the [[Janine]] page there is no mention that she appeared in generation 1, and she was a Kanto gym leader. Does anybody know if that statement about Giovanni is true? --[[User:Jelloratbob|Jelloratbob]] 20:59, 26 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> :New comments to the bottom please. You're right, whoever added it forgot about Janine. I've removed the trivia point. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 01:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> == Anime ==<br /> Just wondering, shouldn't Giovanni have his own page for his anime counterpart (especially since he's starting to appear more again in the Best Wishes series) ([[User:Matty19892009|Matty19892009]] 20:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC))<br /> : I agree he should. He's appeared countless times throughout the series, so he should get his own article. Especially if Best Wishes is bringing back his appearances. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 14:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::There is a disscution on this above guys, not tht it's going anywhere [[User:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Diamond&lt;/font&gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;Lanturn&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;CodeName: 05308&lt;/font&gt;]] 14:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::: I saw that after I posted and I was like.... &quot;wait what? Why aren't these together?&quot; [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 14:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::He shouldn't. What the hell's up with all that splitting lately? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Ok I'm getting to confuzzled trying to post here and in the other area, so I'm just gonna post here. That's your opinion Maxim, but Giovanni is becoming a major antagonist again. Why shouldn't he have his own article. More specifically, why do you think he shouldn't? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 15:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Because it's still the same character. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::The main reason why the move was suggested is because this page is HUGE and is straining the server [[User:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Diamond&lt;/font&gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;Lanturn&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;CodeName: 05308&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Please stop making assumptions everyone. While huge pages ''aren't'' a large strain on the server, they are a problem for those with slower internet connections, and certain browser/OS combinations. As a result, some of them have requested that it be split. However for it to be split, it would have to be decided that the resultant articles would all be a) Notable in their own right and b) sufficiently different. Most of the admins I've spoken to believe that it currently fails those tests. If any section was split off, it would probably be the adventures section first - he has a greater role there than in the anime. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 01:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::: Well I personally disagree with the idea that the anime article wouldn't be notable in its own right, but unfortunately I'm not an admin so I can't do anything but say &quot;Whatever&quot;. So.... whatever. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 07:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::I agree to have the anime section have it's own page. That way the page would be able to talk more Team Rocket sort than just being a ground type Gym leader. --&lt;small&gt;[[User:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink &quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 00:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::But he is a Team Rocket leader in the games too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::Now that I'm looking at the page, it's very long. I would not only suggest moving the anime section, but also the manga section. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|&lt;sup&gt;talk&lt;/sup&gt;]] 16:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I also agree that the manga section can be split off especially since he has played an important role in three different chapters. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 05:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Same VA? ==<br /> <br /> I don't know if anyone was paying much attention to the English dub of the Best Wishes series, but Giovanni's voice really sounds different from when he was last in the anime. It's sort of an off-English accent. –'''[[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error ==<br /> <br /> &quot;In Pokémon Adventures, Giovanni is the only evil team leader who is still alive after his exploits.<br /> However, characters may not consider Pryce, Maxie, Archie, or Cyrus to be dead, since they were last seen disappearing into Time and Space.&quot;<br /> <br /> I think you are forgetting the fact that Archie admitted killing Maxie during the Emerald saga, unless you mean &quot;immediately death&quot;.[[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 17:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> :That thing shouldn't even be there in the first place. The manga section isn't that well monitored, actually. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == gen 5 ==<br /> <br /> because giovanni has been confermed for black 2 and white 2's world tourniment. should we add gen 5 to his list of generations --[[User:Themudkipman|Themudkipman]] 18:30, 14 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga ==<br /> <br /> He has a seperate page for this, so can someone take it of this one? [[User:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Diamond&lt;/font&gt;]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;Lanturn&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:05308|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;CodeName: 05308&lt;/font&gt;]] 20:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :The incomplete tag needs to be taken down too. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:38, 25 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> I thought of a good trivia fact.<br /> <br /> '''Giovanni is the only Gym Leader who is also a boss of a villianous organization.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 00:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I actually think this trivia is pretty weak. We might as well add to Koga's page &quot;Koga is the only Gym Leader who is a ninja&quot;. It's just too...specific. I mean, there's really no reason why there SHOULD be more than one Gym Leader who's also the boss of a villainous organization. As a result, I've decided to remove the trivia, though if someone disagrees it can always be re-added, of course. [[User:Brock Kent|Brock Kent]] ([[User talk:Brock Kent|talk]]) 03:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> For your information, no other villainous boss is a Gym Leader. For example, Cyrus, Ghestis and Lysandre are villainous bosses, but they are &quot;not&quot; gym leaders.[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 20:44, 6 July 2016 (UTC)</div>

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<p>Chrisbulb: </p> <hr /> <div>{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Larvitar | prev=Suicune | next=Pupitar | prevnum=245 | nextnum=247 | type=rock | type2=ground }}<br /> {{Pokémon Infobox<br /> |name=Larvitar<br /> |jname=ヨーギラス<br /> |jtranslit=Yōgirasu<br /> |tmname=Yogiras<br /> |category=Rock Skin<br /> |typebox=1<br /> |type1=Rock<br /> |type2=Ground<br /> |abilityn=d<br /> |ability1=Guts<br /> |abilityd=Sand Veil<br /> |ndex=246<br /> |oldjdex=244<br /> |jdex=249<br /> |u2dex=292<br /> |karea=Mountain<br /> |kdex=102<br /> |fbrow=193<br /> |abrow=120<br /> |obrow=216<br /> |opbrow=087<br /> |height-ftin=2'00&quot;<br /> |height-m=0.6<br /> |weight-lbs=158.7<br /> |weight-kg=72.0<br /> |egggroupn=1<br /> |egggroup1=Monster<br /> |gendercode=127<br /> |eggcycles=41<br /> |evtotal=1<br /> |evat=1<br /> |expyield=60<br /> |oldexp=67<br /> |lv100exp=1,250,000<br /> |color=Green<br /> |catchrate=45<br /> |body=06<br /> |pokefordex=larvitar<br /> |generation=2<br /> |friendship=35<br /> }}<br /> '''Larvitar''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ヨーギラス''' ''Yogiras'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Ground}} Pokémon.<br /> <br /> It [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Pupitar}} starting at [[level]] 30, which evolves into {{p|Tyranitar}} starting at level 55.<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> Larvitar is a small, green reptilian Pokémon with rocky skin. It has a blunt spike on top of its head, a short, rounded snout, and triangular, black markings below and on the upper corners of its red eyes. Red scales cover its diamond-shaped belly, and there are several small holes in its body. Its short arms lack fingers, while its feet have a single toenail each. It has a tail with a conical center surrounded by a ring of plate-like scales, causing it to resemble a tunnel-boring machine. Larvitar is born deep underground, far from its parent. It grows by consuming soil, and will enter its pupal stage upon eating an entire mountain's worth of earth. Larvitar usually lives in {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon|mountains}}, hills, and caves.<br /> <br /> ==In the anime==<br /> [[File:Chris Larvitar.png|thumb|left|250px|Larvitar in the anime]]<br /> [[File:Larvitar Egg.png|thumb|200px|A Larvitar {{pkmn|Egg}} in the anime]]<br /> ===Major appearances===<br /> ====[[Ash's Larvitar|Larvitar]]====<br /> {{Ash}} had a Larvitar he hatched from an {{pkmn|Egg}} given to him by [[Professor Elm]] to deliver to its mother, living on [[Mt. Silver]]. Despite [[Anime move errors|not being able to learn]] {{m|Harden}} in the games, it constantly used it when approached by anyone other than {{Ash}} or {{AP|Pikachu}} prior to ''[[EP264|Mother of All Battles]]''.<br /> <br /> ====Other====<br /> Larvitar first appeared in ''[[PK10|Pikachu's PikaBoo]]''. {{AP|Pikachu}} and co. invited Larvitar and its friends to a game of {{wp|hide-and-seek}}, though Larvitar refused. Later, it was feeling left out and viciously kicked a rock at a lawnmower (which went ridiculously haywire afterwards).<br /> <br /> In ''[[AG188|Pinch Healing]]'', a Larvitar was being babysat by a Poké-Sitter named {{OBP|Matt|AG188}}. Ash and {{ashfr}} were helping him with his job. The Larvitar was shy, and used {{m|Sandstorm}} when confronted. By the end of the episode, however, it warmed up to the group, particularly {{an|May}}.<br /> <br /> A Larvitar appeared in ''[[BW088|The Mystery of the Missing Cubchoo!]]''. It joined {{OBP|Chris|BW088}}'s team at the end of the episode.<br /> <br /> ===Minor appearances===<br /> A Trainer's Larvitar appeared in ''[[AG159|Off the Unbeaten Path]]'' participating in the [[Pokémon Orienteering]].<br /> <br /> A Larvitar also appeared in ''[[DP038|One Big Happiny Family!]]'' in [[Jessie]]'s fantasy.<br /> <br /> Another Larvitar appeared in ''[[DP141|Challenging a Towering Figure!]]''.<br /> <br /> One also appeared in ''[[PK24|Meloetta's Moonlight Serenade]]''.<br /> <br /> A {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s Larvitar appeared in a picture in ''[[XY043|Origins of Mega Evolution!]]''.<br /> <br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Animedexheader|Johto}}<br /> {{Animedexbody|EP258|Larvitar|Ash's Pokédex|Larvitar, the Rock Skin Pokémon. Larvitar generally hatch deep within the earth and take a long time before coming to the surface.}}<br /> {{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}<br /> <br /> ==In the manga==<br /> ===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===<br /> [[File:Crystal Larvitar.png|thumb|120px|Larvitar in Pokémon Adventures]]<br /> {{adv|Crystal}}'s [[Archy]] was attacked by a Larvitar and injured five years prior to ''[[PS117|Slugging It Out With Slugma]]'', causing him to go on a rampage until Crystal calmed him down. The same Larvitar returned in ''[[PS135|Lively Larvitar]]'', when Crystal returned to [[Mt. Mortar]], tormenting Crystal and Arcanine until her newly evolved [[Megaree]] defeated it, allowing her to capture it and regain her shattered confidence from failing to catch {{p|Suicune}} earlier.<br /> <br /> ===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===<br /> {{OBP|Red|Pocket Monsters}} caught a Larvitar prior to ''[[PM104|The Great Helper!!]]''.<br /> {{-}}<br /> <br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> {{main|Larvitar (TCG)}}<br /> <br /> ==In the TFG==<br /> One Larvitar figure has been released.<br /> * {{TFG|Groundbreakers}}: {{TFG ID|Groundbreakers|Larvitar|16}}<br /> <br /> ==Game data==<br /> ===NPC appearances===<br /> * {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}: [[Go-Rock Quads|Billy]] uses a Larvitar to back up his {{p|Tyranitar}}.<br /> <br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Dex/Header|type=rock|type2=ground}}<br /> {{Dex/NA|gen=II}}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=II}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=It feeds on soil. After it has eaten a large mountain, it will fall asleep so it can grow.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=It is born deep underground. It can't emerge until it has entirely consumed the soil around it.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=Born deep underground, this Pokémon becomes a pupa after eating enough dirt to make a mountain.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=It feeds on soil. After it has eaten a large mountain, it will fall asleep so it can grow.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=III}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Larvitar is born deep under the ground. To come up to the surface, this Pokémon must eat its way through the soil above. Until it does so, Larvitar cannot see its parent's face.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=A Larvitar is born deep under the ground. It must eat its way through the soil above and reach the surface for it to see its parents' faces.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=It is born deep underground. It can't emerge until it has entirely consumed the soil around it.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=It feeds on soil. After it has eaten a large mountain, it will fall asleep so it can grow.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry3|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|v3=Platinum|entry=A Pokémon that eats soil. Once it has eaten a large mountain, it goes to sleep so it can grow.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=It feeds on soil. After it has eaten a large mountain, it falls asleep so it can grow.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=It is born deep underground. It can't emerge until it has entirely consumed the soil around it.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=A Pokémon that eats soil. Once it has eaten a large mountain, it goes to sleep so it can grow.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=Born deep underground, it comes aboveground and becomes a pupa once it has finished eating the surrounding soil.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=It feeds on soil. After it has eaten a large mountain, it falls asleep so it can grow.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=Born deep underground, it comes aboveground and becomes a pupa once it has finished eating the surrounding soil.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|t=FFF|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t2=FFF|entry=Larvitar is born deep under the ground. To come up to the surface, this Pokémon must eat its way through the soil above. Until it does so, Larvitar cannot see its parents.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ===Game locations===<br /> {{Availability/Header|type=rock|type2=ground}}<br /> {{Availability/NA|gen=II}}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2|v=Gold|v2=Silver|area=[[Mt. Silver]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Crystal|area=[[Mt. Silver]]{{Sup/t|Day}}, [[Celadon Game Corner]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Emerald}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2|v=FireRed|v2=LeafGreen|area=[[Sevault Canyon]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Colosseum}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=XD|t=FFF|link=Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness|area=Trade {{p|Wooper}} with [[Duking]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Diamond|area={{rt|207|Sinnoh}} ([[Poké Radar]])}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Pearl}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Platinum|area={{rt|206|Sinnoh}} ([[Pokémon outbreak|Swarm]])}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|area={{safari|Johto}}, [[Mt. Silver]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Pal Park|color={{locationcolor/light|mountain}}|link=Pal Park|area={{DL|List of Pokémon by Pal Park location|Mountain}}}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2||v=Black|v2=White|t=fff|area={{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Pupitar}} or {{p|Tyranitar}}}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=fff|area={{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Pupitar}} or {{p|Tyranitar}}}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Dream World|color={{dream color}}|area={{dwa|Rugged Mountain}}}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|2|v=X|t=fff|area={{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Pupitar}} or {{p|Tyranitar}}}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|2|v=Y|area=[[Terminus Cave]] ([[Horde Encounter|Horde]])}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|area=[[Trade]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ====In side games====<br /> {{Availability/Header|type=rock|type2=ground}}<br /> {{Availability/NA|gen=II}}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}<br /> {{Availability/NA/Side|gen=II}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Trozei!|color={{yellow color}}|area=[[Secret Storage 3]], [[Secret Storage 15]], Endless Level 10, [[Mr. Who's Den]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Red|v2=MD Blue|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|area=[[Southern Cavern]] (16F-26F)}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger|link=Pokémon Ranger (game)|area=[[Sekra Range]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Northern Desert]] (1F-8F)}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=[[Northern Desert]] (1F-8F)}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: SoA|color={{SoA color}}|link=Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|area=[[Peril Cliffs]]}}<br /> &lt;!--{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Blazing|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (WiiWare)|color={{fire color}}|area=}}--&gt;<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: GS|color={{GS color}}|link=Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|area=[[Faldera Island]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Cave: [[Rugged Flats]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Conquest|color={{silver color}}|area=[[Terrera]], [[Cragspur]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Secret Warehouse#Walking a Thin Line|Secret Warehouse: Walking a Thin Line]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Battle Trozei|color={{defense color}}|area=[[Distortion Island#Stage 5|Distortion Island: Stage 5]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Shuffle|color={{beauty color}}|area=[[Wacky Workshop|Wacky Workshop: Stage 169]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Plasma Tundra#Sacred Blade Cliff|Plasma Tundra: Sacred Blade Cliff]] &lt;small&gt;(All Areas)&lt;/small&gt;}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ====In events====<br /> {{eventAvail/h|type=rock|type2=ground}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Rage Larvitar|English|United States|5|November 1 to 7, 2002|link=List of Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Rage Larvitar}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar|English|Europe and the United States|5|March 3 to July 1, 2012|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar|French|Europe and the United States|5|March 3 to July 1, 2012|link=List of local French event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar|German|Europe and the United States|5|March 3 to July 1, 2012|link=List of local German event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar|Italian|Europe and the United States|5|March 3 to July 1, 2012|link=List of local Italian event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BW}}|Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar|Spanish|Europe and the United States|5|March 3 to July 1, 2012|link=List of local Spanish event Pokémon distributions in Generation V#Video Game Championships 2012 Larvitar}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Held items===<br /> {{HeldItems<br /> |type=rock|type2=ground<br /> |gsc1=Hard Stone|gsc1type=Type-enhancing item|gsc1rar=5<br /> |event1=Chople Berry|event1type=Berry|event1rar=100<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Stats===<br /> ====Base stats====<br /> {{BaseStats<br /> |type=rock<br /> |type2=ground<br /> |HP= 50<br /> |Attack= 64<br /> |Defense=50<br /> |SpAtk= 45<br /> |SpDef= 50<br /> |Speed= 41 }}<br /> <br /> ====Pokéathlon stats====<br /> {{Pokéthlon<br /> |type=Rock<br /> |type2=Ground<br /> |Speed=3<br /> |SpeedMax=3<br /> |Power=2<br /> |PowerMax=4<br /> |Technique=3<br /> |TechniqueMax=4<br /> |Stamina=3<br /> |StaminaMax=3<br /> |Jump=3<br /> |JumpMax=3<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Type effectiveness===<br /> {{TypeEffectiveness<br /> |type1=rock<br /> |type2=ground<br /> |Normal= 50<br /> |Fighting=200<br /> |Flying= 50<br /> |Poison= 25<br /> |Ground= 200<br /> |Rock= 50<br /> |Bug= 100<br /> |Ghost= 100<br /> |Steel= 200<br /> |Fire= 50<br /> |Water= 400<br /> |Grass= 400<br /> |Electric= 0<br /> |Psychic= 100<br /> |Ice= 200<br /> |Dragon= 100<br /> |Dark= 100<br /> |Fairy= 100<br /> |notes=yes<br /> |ground=yes<br /> |newelectric=1}}<br /> <br /> ===Learnset===<br /> ====By [[Level|leveling up]]====<br /> {{learnlist/levelh/6|Larvitar|Rock|Ground|2|xy=n}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|1|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25||''|Tough|2|3}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|1|Leer|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|30|||Cool|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|5|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|||Tough|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|10|Screech|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|85|40|||Clever|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|14|Chip Away|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Tough|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|19|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''|Tough|2|2}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|23|Scary Face|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|10|||Tough|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|28|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10|||Tough|6|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|32|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15||''|Cool|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|37|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||''|Tough|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|41|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15||''|Tough|1|4}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|46|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''|Tough|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|50|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''|Tough|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|55|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|||Cool|4|4}}<br /> {{learnlist/levelf/6|Larvitar|Rock|Ground|2}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====<br /> {{learnlist/tmh/6|Larvitar|Rock|Ground|2|xy=n}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|&amp;mdash;|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|20|||Clever|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|||Cool|4|4}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|||Cute|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM23|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15||'''|Tough|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10||'''|Tough|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||'''|Tough|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|15|||Cool|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|||Tough|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15||'''|Clever|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|15|||Tough|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|||Cute|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|15|||Cute|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10||''|Tough|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5|||Cool|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|||Tough|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5||'''|Tough|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||'''|Tough|2|2}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||'''|Tough|2|2}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|||Cute|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|||Cute|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|XY}}||Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM95|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15||''|Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM97|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15||''|Cool|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM98|Power-Up Punch|Fighting|Physical|40|100|20|||Tough|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|||Cute|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|HM06|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tmf/6|Larvitar|Rock|Ground|2}}<br /> <br /> ====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====<br /> {{learnlist/breedh/6|Larvitar|Rock|Ground|2|xy=n}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|408|Cranidos}}{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}}{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}{{MSP|697|Tyrantrum}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|698|Amaura}}{{MSP|699|Aurorus}}|Ancient Power|Rock|Special|60|100|5||'''|Tough|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|408|Cranidos}}{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Assurance|Dark|Physical|60|100|10||''|Clever|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|079|Slowpoke}}{{MSP|080|Slowbro}}{{MSP|199|Slowking}}{{MSP|387|Turtwig}}{{MSP|388|Grotle}}{{MSP|389|Torterra}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|712|Bergmite}}{{MSP|713|Avalugg}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|||Tough|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}{{MSP|697|Tyrantrum}}|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|||Cool|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|408|Cranidos}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|30|||Cool|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|007|Squirtle}}{{MSP|008|Wartortle}}{{MSP|009|Blastoise}}{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}}{{MSP|712|Bergmite}}{{MSP|713|Avalugg}}|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|15|||Tough|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}}|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||Cool|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}{{MSP|621|Druddigon}}|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10|||Cool|6|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|252|Treecko}}{{MSP|253|Grovyle}}{{MSP|254|Sceptile}}{{MSP|408|Cranidos}}{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20||''|Clever|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}{{MSP|697|Tyrantrum}}|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|||Cool|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|108|Lickitung}}{{MSP|463|Lickilicky}}{{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}{{MSP|293|Whismur}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|294|Loudred}}{{MSP|295|Exploud}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}}{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}{{MSP|697|Tyrantrum}}|Stomp|Normal|Physical|65|100|20|||Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breedf/6|Larvitar|Rock|Ground|2}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====<br /> {{learnlist/tutorh/6|Larvitar|Rock|Ground|2|xy=n}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|15|||no|yes|Tough|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|||no|yes|Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes|Cool|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10|||no|yes|Cool|6|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Spite|Ghost|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|10|||no|yes|Tough|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|||no|yes|Cool|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|||no|yes|Tough|6|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Cute|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutorf/6|Larvitar|Rock|Ground|2}}<br /> <br /> ===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;margin:auto; background: #{{tcg fighting color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{tcg fighting color}}&quot;<br /> ! Move<br /> ! Card<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Comet Punch}}<br /> | [[Larvitar (McDonald Pack 18)]]<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Fury Attack}}<br /> | [[Larvitar (EX Team Rocket Returns 62)]]<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Horn Attack}}<br /> | [[Larvitar δ (EX Dragon Frontiers 52)]]<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Rock Throw}}<br /> | [[Larvitar (Neo Destiny 70)]]<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Sand-Attack}}<br /> | [[Larvitar (POP Series 1 11)]]<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Tackle}}<br /> | [[Larvitar (EX Unseen Forces 61)]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ====[[Anime move errors|Anime-only moves]]====<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;margin:auto; background: #{{rock color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{ground color}}&quot;<br /> |-<br /> ! Move<br /> ! Type<br /> ! Episode<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}&quot; | {{m|Harden}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{typecolor|Normal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}&quot; | ''[[EP258|Hatch Me If You Can]]''<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Side game data===<br /> {{Sidegame<br /> |type=rock<br /> |ndex=246<br /> |Trozei=yes<br /> |rarity=Common<br /> |Dungeon=yes<br /> |body=1<br /> |rate=12.2<br /> |area=Mt. Cleft<br /> |P1=I'd like to chow down on a mountain!<br /> |P2=Huh? My health is down to half already!<br /> |P3=I'm bone tired... Even eating dirt won't perk me up...<br /> |PL=I leveled up! Now is it OK to chow down a mountain?<br /> |Partner=no<br /> |Ranger=yes<br /> |group=Ground<br /> |assist=Rock<br /> |field=Cut<br /> |fieldpower=1<br /> |loop=3<br /> |MinEXP=25<br /> |MaxEXP=35<br /> |browser=Larvitar is small, but its bite is powerful. It can easily chomp down a wooden fence.<br /> |Dungeon2=yes<br /> |body2=1<br /> |rate2=8.2<br /> |iq=C<br /> |rumble2=yes<br /> |rumble2attack=2<br /> |rumble2defense=2<br /> |rumble2speed=3<br /> |Ranger2=yes<br /> |group2=Ground<br /> |assist2=Rock<br /> |field2=Crush<br /> |field2power=1<br /> |browser2=It hurls rocks and stones to attack.<br /> |Ranger3=yes<br /> |group3=Ground<br /> |assist3=Ground<br /> |field3=Crush<br /> |field3power=2<br /> |browser3=It triggers tremors and opens fissures that make Pokémon Paused.<br /> |Conquest=yes<br /> |ConquestAtk=2<br /> |ConquestSpd=2<br /> |ConquestDef=2<br /> |ConquestHP=2<br /> |ConquestRange=3<br /> |ConquestMove={{m|Rock Tomb}}<br /> |ConquestAbility1={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Sandpit}}<br /> |ConquestAbility2={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Guts}}<br /> |ConquestAbility3={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Stealth}}<br /> |ConquestEvo=Evolves into {{p|Pupitar}} when its Attack is 74 or higher<br /> |ConquestLink={{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Kageie}}, {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Katsuyori}}, and {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Sōun}}<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Evolution===<br /> {{Evobox-3<br /> |type1=Rock<br /> |type2=Ground<br /> |pictype=art<br /> |no1=246<br /> |name1=Larvitar<br /> |type1-1=Rock<br /> |type2-1=Ground<br /> |evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} &lt;br&gt;{{color2|000|Level|Level 30}}<br /> |no2=247<br /> |name2=Pupitar<br /> |type1-2=Rock<br /> |type2-2=Ground<br /> |evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} &lt;br&gt;{{color2|000|Level|Level 55}}<br /> |no3=248<br /> |name3=Tyranitar<br /> |type1-3=Rock<br /> |type2-3=Dark}}<br /> <br /> ===Sprites===<br /> {{Spritebox/Header|type=rock|type2=ground}}<br /> {{Spritebox/NA|gen=II}}<br /> {{Spritebox/2|ndex=246}}<br /> {{Spritebox/3|ndex=246}}<br /> {{Spritebox/4|ndex=246}}<br /> {{Spritebox/5|ndex=246}}<br /> {{Spritebox/6|ndex=246}}<br /> {{Spritebox/Footer|246|Larvitar}}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> * Larvitar's sprite animation changed between Pokémon Diamond and Pearl and Pokémon Platinum, but its static sprite did not change.<br /> <br /> ===Origin===<br /> It appears to share similarities with {{wp|dinosaur}}s.<br /> <br /> Its penchant for eating mountains, fences, or probably anything else may come from the legend of the {{wp|Tarasque}}.<br /> <br /> ====Name origin====<br /> Larvitar is derived from ''{{wp|larva}}'' and ''{{wp|Tarasque}}''.<br /> <br /> Yogiras may be a combination of 幼児 ''yōji'' (baby or child) or 幼生 ''yōsei'' (larva) and 嫌い ''kirai'' (hate). ''Giras'' may derive from ''Gojira'', the Japanese name for the character {{wp|Godzilla}}, or ''Angiras'', the Japanese name for the character {{wp|Anguirus}}. Both are dinosaur-like ''{{wp|tokusatsu}}'' movie monsters that share some characteristics with {{p|Tyranitar}}, its evolution.<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Other languages|type=rock|type2=ground<br /> |ja=ヨーギラス ''Yogiras''|jameaning=From {{tt|幼児 ''yōji''|baby or child}}, {{tt|幼生 ''yōsei''|larva}}, {{tt|嫌い ''kirai''|hate}}, ''Godzilla'', and ''{{wp|Anguirus|Angiras}}''<br /> |fr=Embrylex|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|embryon|embryo}}'' and ''{{tt|silex|flint}}''<br /> |es=Larvitar|esmeaning=Same as English name<br /> |de=Larvitar|demeaning=Same as English name<br /> |it=Larvitar|itmeaning=Same as English name<br /> |ko=애버라스 ''Aebeoras''|komeaning=From {{tt|애 ''ae''|kid}}, {{tt|애벌레 ''aebulle''|larva}}, and possibly ''average'' and ''Angiras''<br /> |zh_cmn=由基拉 ''Yóujīlā''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of its Japanese name. May also be from {{tt|安基拉斯 ''Ānjīlāsī''|Anguirus}}<br /> |hi=लार्वीटर ''Larvitar''|himeaning=Transliteration of English name}}<br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;left&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Related articles==<br /> * [[Ash's Larvitar]]<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> ==External links==<br /> <br /> {{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Suicune | next=Pupitar | prevnum=245 | nextnum=247 | type=rock | type2=ground }}<br /> {{-}}<br /> {{Project Pokédex notice}}<br /> <br /> [[de:Larvitar]]<br /> [[fr:Embrylex]]<br /> [[it:Larvitar]]<br /> [[ja:ヨーギラス]]<br /> [[pl:Larvitar]]<br /> [[zh:由基拉]]</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pupitar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2467433 2016-07-06T20:33:46Z

<p>Chrisbulb: </p> <hr /> <div>{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Larvitar | next=Tyranitar | prevnum=246 | nextnum=248 | type=rock | type2=ground }}<br /> {{Pokémon Infobox<br /> |name=Pupitar<br /> |jname=サナギラス<br /> |jtranslit=Sanagirasu<br /> |tmname=Sanagiras<br /> |ndex=247<br /> |oldjdex=245<br /> |jdex=250<br /> |u2dex=293<br /> |karea=Mountain<br /> |kdex=103<br /> |fbrow=194<br /> |abrow=121<br /> |obrow=217<br /> |opbrow=088<br /> |typebox=1<br /> |type1=Rock<br /> |type2=Ground<br /> |category=Hard Shell<br /> |height-ftin=3'11″<br /> |height-m=1.2<br /> |weight-lbs=335.1<br /> |weight-kg=152.0<br /> |abilityn=1<br /> |ability1=Shed Skin<br /> |egggroupn=1<br /> |egggroup1=Monster<br /> |eggcycles=41<br /> |evtotal=2<br /> |evat=2<br /> |expyield=144<br /> |oldexp=144<br /> |lv100exp=1,250,000<br /> |gendercode=127<br /> |color=Gray<br /> |catchrate=45<br /> |body=02<br /> |pokefordex=pupitar<br /> |generation=2<br /> |friendship=35<br /> }}<br /> '''Pupitar''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''サナギラス''' ''Sanagiras'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Ground}} Pokémon.<br /> <br /> It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Larvitar}} starting at [[level]] 30 and evolves into {{p|Tyranitar}} starting at level 55.<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> Pupitar is encased inside a thick shell made of grayish-blue rock. Its red eyes can be seen through two holes in the shell, and two more holes directly above resemble eyebrows. The upper portion of its body it covered by a mask-like plate with four large spikes on either side. Three additional spikes protrude from its forehead. Since its arms and legs are developing inside the shell, Pupitar is capable of venting gas to propel itself around, and can generate enough forces to knock down mountains. Pupitar lives and moves freely around harsh {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon|mountain}} ranges.<br /> <br /> ==In the anime==<br /> [[File:Ritchie Cruise.png|thumb|200px|left|Pupitar in the anime]]<br /> ===Major appearances===<br /> [[Ritchie]] has a Pupitar named {{DL|Ritchie|Cruise}} which is seen from ''[[EP220|The Mystery is History!]]'' to ''[[EP222|A Promise is a Promise]]''.<br /> <br /> [[Rico]], a Pokémon Poacher, had a Pupitar that evolved into a {{p|Tyranitar}} in ''[[AG006|A Poached Ego!]]''.<br /> <br /> ===Minor appearances===<br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Animedexheader|Johto}}<br /> {{Animedexbody|EP220|Pupitar|Ash's Pokédex|Pupitar, the Hard Shell Pokémon. Pupitar is encased in a nearly indestructible shell and has enough power to topple a mountain.}}<br /> {{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}<br /> <br /> ==In the manga==<br /> [[File:Lance Pupitar Adventures.png|thumb|100px|Pupitar in Pokémon Adventures]]<br /> ===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===<br /> Pupitar first appeared in one of Lance's flashbacks in ''[[PS159|Popular Pupitar]]'', where he first encountered {{adv|Silver}}. He switched out Pupitar to counter the {{m|Pursuit}} from Silver's {{p|Murkrow}}.<br /> <br /> Another Pupitar appeared in ''[[PS179|The Last Battle XIII]]'' as one of the Pokémon sent to help the fight in [[Ilex Forest]].<br /> <br /> ===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===<br /> A Pupitar appeared in {{PPM|Red}}'s fantasy in ''[[PM104|The Great Helper!!]]''.<br /> <br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> {{main|Pupitar (TCG)}}<br /> <br /> ==Game data==<br /> ===NPC appearances===<br /> * {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}: [[Go-Rock Quads|Billy]] uses a Pupitar to back up his {{p|Tyranitar}}.<br /> <br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Dex/Header|type=rock|type2=ground}}<br /> {{Dex/NA|gen=II}}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=II}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=Its shell is as hard as sheet rock, and it is also very strong. Its {{m|Thrash}}ing can topple a mountain.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=Even sealed in its shell, it can move freely. Hard and fast, it has outstanding destructive power.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=It will not stay still, even while it's a pupa. It already has arms and legs under its solid shell.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=Its shell is as hard as sheet rock, and it is also very strong. Its thrashing can topple a mountain.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=III}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Pupitar creates a gas inside its body that it compresses and forcefully ejects to propel itself like a jet. The body is very durable - it avoids damage even if it hits solid steel.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=A Pupitar creates a gas inside its body that it ejects under compression to propel itself like a jet. Its body can withstand a collision with solid steel.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=Even sealed in its shell, it can move freely. Hard and fast, it has outstanding destructive power.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=Its shell is as hard as sheet rock, and it is also very strong. Its thrashing can topple a mountain.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry3|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|v3=Platinum|entry=Its body is as hard as bedrock. By venting pressurized gas, it can launch itself like a rocket.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=Its shell is as hard as sheet rock, and it is also very strong. Its thrashing can topple a mountain.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=Even sealed in its shell, it can move freely. Hard and fast, it has outstanding destructive power.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=Its body is as hard as bedrock. By venting pressurized gas, it can launch itself like a rocket.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=This pupa flies around wildly by venting with great force the gas pressurized inside its body.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=Its body is as hard as bedrock. By venting pressurized gas, it can launch itself like a rocket.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=Its shell is as hard as sheet rock, and it is also very strong. Its thrashing can topple a mountain.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|t=FFF|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t2=FFF|entry=Pupitar creates a gas inside its body that it compresses and forcefully ejects to propel itself like a jet. The body is very durable--it avoids damage even if it hits solid steel.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Footer}}<br /> <br /> ===Game locations===<br /> {{Availability/Header|type=rock|type2=ground}}<br /> {{Availability/NA|gen=II}}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry2|v=Gold|v2=Silver|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Larvitar}}}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Crystal|area=[[Mt. 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Move<br /> ! Card<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Rage}}<br /> | [[Pupitar (Unleashed 38)]]<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Rock Throw}}<br /> | [[Pupitar (EX Unseen Forces 70)]]<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Skull Bash}}<br /> | [[Pupitar (Neo Discovery 45)]]<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Slash}}<br /> | [[Pupitar (EX Unseen Forces 70)]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ====[[Anime move errors|Anime-only moves]]====<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;margin:auto; background: #{{rock color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{ground color}}&quot;<br /> |-<br /> ! Move<br /> ! Type<br /> ! Episode<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}&quot; | {{m|Take Down}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff&quot; | {{typecolor|Normal}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}&quot; | ''[[EP220|The Mystery is History]]''<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Side game data===<br /> {{Sidegame<br /> |type=rock<br /> |type2=ground<br /> |ndex=247<br /> |Trozei=yes<br /> |rarity=Rare<br /> |Dungeon=yes<br /> |body=1<br /> |rate=-19%<br /> |area=Mt. Cleft<br /> |P1=I'm in a pupal stage, but I can jump around. No problem!<br /> |P2=Listen, my HP is down about halfway now.<br /> |P3=I'm pooped. I can't even hop about anymore...<br /> |PL=I leveled up! My shell grew even harder, too!<br /> |Partner=no<br /> |Ranger=yes<br /> |group=Ground<br /> |assist=Rock<br /> |field=None<br /> |fieldpower=0<br /> |loop=13<br /> |MinEXP=45<br /> |MaxEXP=59<br /> |browser=Pupitar tackles with its spiky body and makes numerous rocks tumble down.<br /> |Dungeon2=yes<br /> |body2=1<br /> |rate2=0.5%<br /> |iq=C<br /> |rumble2=yes<br /> |rumble2attack=3<br /> |rumble2defense=3<br /> |rumble2speed=3<br /> |Ranger2=yes<br /> |group2=Ground<br /> |assist2=Ground<br /> |field2=Crush<br /> |field2power=2<br /> |browser2=It leaps around incredibly quickly while ramming to attack.<br /> |Ranger3=yes<br /> |group3=Ground<br /> |assist3=Ground<br /> |field3=Crush<br /> |field3power=3<br /> |browser3=It triggers tremors and opens fissures that make Pokémon Paused.<br /> |Conquest=yes<br /> |ConquestAtk=3<br /> |ConquestSpd=2<br /> |ConquestDef=3<br /> |ConquestHP=3<br /> |ConquestRange=3<br /> |ConquestMove={{m|Rock Slide}}<br /> |ConquestAbility1={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Shed Skin}}<br /> |ConquestAbility2={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Jagged Edge}}<br /> |ConquestAbility3={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Shield}}<br /> |ConquestEvo=Evolves from {{p|Larvitar}} when its Attack is 74 or higher&lt;br&gt;<br /> Evolves into {{p|Tyranitar}} when its Attack is 132 or higher<br /> |ConquestLink={{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Kageie}}, {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Katsuyori}}, and {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Sōun}}<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Evolution===<br /> {{Evobox-3<br /> |type1=Rock<br /> |type2=Ground<br /> |pictype=art<br /> |no1=246<br /> |name1=Larvitar<br /> |type1-1=Rock<br /> |type2-1=Ground<br /> |evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} &lt;br&gt;{{color2|000|Level|Level 30}}<br /> |no2=247<br /> |name2=Pupitar<br /> |type1-2=Rock<br /> |type2-2=Ground<br /> |evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} &lt;br&gt;{{color2|000|Level|Level 55}}<br /> |no3=248<br /> |name3=Tyranitar<br /> |type1-3=Rock<br /> |type2-3=Dark}}<br /> <br /> ===Sprites===<br /> {{Spritebox/Header|type=rock|type2=ground}}<br /> {{Spritebox/NA|gen=II}}<br /> {{Spritebox/2|ndex=247}}<br /> {{Spritebox/3|ndex=247}}<br /> {{Spritebox/4|ndex=247}}<br /> {{Spritebox/5|ndex=247}}<br /> {{Spritebox/6|ndex=247}}<br /> {{Spritebox/Footer|247|Pupitar}}<br /> <br /> ====Japanese sprites====<br /> {| style=&quot;margin:auto; text-align:center; font-size: 80%; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color}}; background: #{{rock color}};&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color}}; background: #{{rock color light}}; width:160px&quot;| [[File:Spr b 2g 247 jp.png]]&lt;br&gt;[[File:Spr b 2g 247 s jp.png]]<br /> |-<br /> | Gold and Silver back sprites<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> * Pupitar is only Pokémon that undergoes metamorphosis-like evolution whose {{stat|Defense}} [[base stats|base stat]] is not higher than its {{stat|Attack}}. Instead, its Attack base stat is its highest stat.<br /> <br /> ===Origin===<br /> Pupitar is based on a pupa, as it is between its evolutionary line's larval stage ({{p|Larvitar}}) and adulthood ({{p|Tyranitar}}).<br /> <br /> ====Name origin====<br /> Pupitar is derived from ''{{wp|pupa}}'', the stage in some insects between the larval stage and adulthood, and ''{{wp|Tarasque}}''.<br /> <br /> Sanagiras may be a combination of 蛹 ''sanagi'' (pupa) and 嫌い ''kirai'' (hate). ''Giras'' may derive from ''Gojira'', the Japanese name for the character {{wp|Godzilla}}, or ''Angiras'', the Japanese name for the character {{wp|Anguirus}}. Both are dinosaur-like ''{{wp|tokusatsu}}'' movie monsters ({{wp|kaiju}}) that share some characteristics with {{p|Tyranitar}}, its evolution.<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Other languages|type=rock|type2=ground<br /> |ja=サナギラス ''Sanagiras''|jameaning=From {{tt|蛹 ''sanagi''|pupa}}, {{tt|嫌い ''kirai''|hate}}, ''Godzilla'', and ''{{wp|Anguirus|Angiras}}''<br /> |fr=Ymphect|frmeaning=From ''{{wp|Nymph (biology)|nymph}}'' and ''{{tt|infecte|disgusting}}''. It may also have been named that way to resemble ''insecte''<br /> |es=Pupitar|esmeaning=Same as English name<br /> |de=Pupitar|demeaning=Same as English name<br /> |it=Pupitar|itmeaning=Same as English name<br /> |ko=데기라스 ''Degiras''|komeaning=From {{tt|번데기 ''beondegi''|cocoon, pupa}} and ''Angiras''.<br /> |zh_cmn=沙基拉 ''Shājīlā''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of its Japanese name. May also be from {{tt|安基拉斯 ''Ānjīlāsī''|Anguirus}}. Contains {{tt|沙 ''shā''|sand}}<br /> |hi=पिउपिटर ''Pupitar''|himeaning=Transliteration of English name}}<br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;left&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> <br /> {{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Larvitar | next=Tyranitar | prevnum=246 | nextnum=248 | type=rock | type2=ground }}<br /> {{-}}<br /> {{Project Pokédex notice}}<br /> <br /> [[de:Pupitar]]<br /> [[fr:Ymphect]]<br /> [[it:Pupitar]]<br /> [[ja:サナギラス]]<br /> [[pl:Pupitar]]<br /> [[zh:沙基拉]]</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Tyranitar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2467432 2016-07-06T20:29:51Z

<p>Chrisbulb: </p> <hr /> <div>{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Tyranitar | prev=Pupitar | next=Lugia | prevnum=247 | nextnum=249 | type=rock | type2=dark }}<br /> {{Pokémon Infobox<br /> |name=Tyranitar<br /> |jname=バンギラス<br /> |jtranslit=Bangirasu<br /> |tmname=Bangiras<br /> |forme=2<br /> |form2=Mega Tyranitar<br /> |image2=248Tyranitar-Mega.png<br /> |mega=Tyranitarite<br /> |ndex=248<br /> |oldjdex=246<br /> |jdex=251<br /> |u2dex=294<br /> |karea=Mountain<br /> |kdex=104<br /> |fbrow=195<br /> |abrow=122<br /> |obrow=218<br /> |opbrow=089<br /> |typebox=1<br /> |type1=Rock<br /> |type2=Dark<br /> |category=Armor<br /> |height-ftin=6'07&quot;<br /> |height-m=2.0<br /> |height-ftin2=8'02&quot;<br /> |height-m2=2.5<br /> |weight-lbs=445.3<br /> |weight-kg=202.0<br /> |weight-lbs2=562.2<br /> |weight-kg2=255.0<br /> |abilityn=dm<br /> |ability1=Sand Stream<br /> |abilityd=Unnerve<br /> |abilitym=Sand Stream<br /> |egggroupn=1<br /> |egggroup1=Monster<br /> |eggcycles=41<br /> |evtotal=3<br /> |evat=3<br /> |expyield=270<br /> |oldexp=218<br /> |lv100exp=1,250,000<br /> |gendercode=127<br /> |color=Green<br /> |catchrate=45<br /> |body=06<br /> |pokefordex=tyranitar<br /> |generation=2<br /> |friendship=35<br /> }}<br /> '''Tyranitar''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''バンギラス''' ''Bangiras'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Dark}} [[pseudo-legendary Pokémon]].<br /> <br /> It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Pupitar}} starting at [[level]] 55. It is the final form of {{p|Larvitar}}. It can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into '''Mega Tyranitar''' using the {{DL|Mega Stone|Tyranitarite}}.<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> Tyranitar is a large, bipedal, dinosaurian Pokémon with a green, armor-like hide covering its body. It has two pairs of pointed teeth: one in the upper jaw and one in the lower. Several spikes of varying size protrude from the back of its head, neck, and shoulders. Both sides of its chest, the center of its back, and its knees have two triangular holes. There is a gray, diamond-shaped patch of scales covering its belly, and a smaller one on its back. It has three claws on its feet and hands. A ring of spikes surrounds the tip of its tail.<br /> <br /> Mega Tyranitar has more gaps in its armor than its normal form, with four new triangular holes along the sides of its neck and one on its throat. The four on its chest are now larger with the top two containing red ovals. While the spikes along the back of its neck grow shorter, the ones on its head elongate to form prominent ridges along its brows. The center spike on its head becomes a long, upright horn. Its chest plate expands, curving over its shoulders and along its back to form three long, irregular spikes on each side of its body. The scales on Mega Tyranitar's belly has now become red instead of blue and seethe with energy, enabling it to emanate more power.&lt;ref&gt;http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/mega_pokemon/#Tyranitar&lt;/ref&gt; It gains two sharp spikes on its knees, as well as more prominent leg joints. Its tail lengthens, with the three spikes surrounding its tip growing upward and outward.<br /> <br /> Tyranitar is a powerful Pokémon with an insolent nature. It is extremely strong, and its thick, rocky hide gives it a good resistance to all forms of attack. Because of this, it is always looking for a battle and will not flinch at anything. If enraged, Tyranitar sets off outstanding earthquakes that can completely change the entire landscape, often forcing cartographers to draw up new maps. It lives in nests made from demolished {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon|mountains}}.<br /> <br /> ==In the anime==<br /> [[File:Dirk Tyranitar.png|thumb|220px|left|Tyranitar in the anime]]<br /> [[File:Mega Tyranitar anime.png|thumb|220px|left|Mega Tyranitar in the anime]]<br /> ===Major appearances===<br /> ====[[Team A.C.T.]]====<br /> Tyranitar along with its [[Team A.C.T.|teammates]] had a cameo in ''[[SS019|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters Out of the Gate!]]''. They were considered for the job of rescuing Big Brother Pikachu but were unavailable as they were already on another mission.<br /> <br /> ===Other===<br /> Tyranitar first appeared in ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]''. It was captured in a [[Dark Ball]] and used by the [[Iron-Masked Marauder]].<br /> <br /> When {{Ash}} and company entered the mind of [[Ash's Larvitar]] during ''[[EP263|Address Unown]]'', they saw a vision of Larvitar being separated from its Tyranitar mother. That Tyranitar was seen during [[EP264|the following episode]].<br /> <br /> A Pupitar belonging to [[Rico]] evolved into Tyranitar in ''[[AG006|A Poached Ego]]''.<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar appeared in ''[[SS026|Mewtwo — Prologue to Awakening]]'' under the ownership of [[Dirk]].<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar that can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into Mega Tyranitar appeared in ''[[SS032|Mega Evolution Special III]]''.<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar that can Mega Evolve into Mega Tyranitar will appear in [[M19]]&lt;!--, under the ownership of Dohga/Ether--&gt;.<br /> <br /> ===Minor appearances===<br /> Multiple Tyranitar appeared in ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'' as part of the feuding armies.<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar appeared in the opening of ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'' under the ownership of {{OBP|Rebecca|M07}} where it battled against {{ga|Brendan}}'s {{p|Swampert}}.<br /> <br /> In ''[[DP072|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Part Two]]'', a Tyranitar was among the Pokémon used to attack {{an|Dawn}}, {{an|Brock}}, [[Officer Jenny]] and [[Kellyn]].<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar appeared in ''[[DP139|A Faux Oak Finish!]]'', where it was angry because it had a splinter in its foot. {{an|Professor Oak}} was able to connect with the Tyranitar and pull the splinter out.<br /> <br /> A {{pkmn|Coordinator}}'s Tyranitar appeared in ''[[DP146|Dressed for Jess Success!]]'' participating in the [[Lilypad Town]] [[Pokémon Contest]].<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar appeared in the opening scenes of ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''.<br /> <br /> A fake yet realistic-looking Tyranitar was used for a movie in ''[[BW082|An Epic Defense Force!]]''.<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar appeared in ''[[BW134|The Journalist from Another Region!]].''<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar that can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into Mega Tyranitar appeared in ''[[SS029|Mega Evolution Special I]]''.<br /> <br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Animedexheader|Johto}}<br /> {{Animedexbody|EP264|Tyranitar|Ash's Pokédex|Tyranitar, the Armor Pokémon. Tyranitar has a heavily armored body that can withstand powerful attacks and is able to crush a mountain with one hand.}}<br /> {{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}<br /> <br /> ==In the manga==<br /> [[File:Thorton Tyranitar Adventures.png|180px|thumb|Tyranitar in Pokémon Adventures]]<br /> ===In the movie adaptations===<br /> Tyranitar appeared in ''{{ma|Celebi: a Timeless Encounter}}'' where the [[Iron-Masked Marauder]] captures it.<br /> <br /> ===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===<br /> Prior to the events of {{PAV|8}}, {{adv|Silver}} was given a {{p|Pupitar}} from [[Lance]]. It evolved into Tyranitar prior to Silver's showdown with {{adv|Gold}} in ''[[PS111|Tyranitar War]]''. Silver remarked that Tyranitar's level was so high that &quot;even I can't control it,&quot; likely referencing the tendency for traded Pokémon to disobey. Silver eventually returned Tyranitar to Lance, deeming himself still unsuitable to own it.<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar appeared in ''[[PS119|A Flaaffy Kerfuffle]]'' where it was one of the Pokémon in {{adv|Professor Oak}}'s fantasy when he explains that Trainers should only have six Pokémon with them.<br /> <br /> A Tyranitar appeared in ''[[PS179|The Last Battle XIII]]'' as one of the Pokémon sent to help the fight in [[Ilex Forest]].<br /> <br /> {{FB|Factory Head|Thorton}} {{pkmn2|rental|rented}} a Tyranitar for use in his battle against {{adv|Platinum}} in ''[[PS427|Uprooting Seedot]]''.<br /> <br /> ===In the Pokémon Battrio: Aim to be Battrio Master! manga===<br /> [[Tamaru Hirōga|Tamaru]] owns a Tyranitar.<br /> <br /> ===In the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Ginji's Rescue Team manga===<br /> {{main|Team A.C.T.}}<br /> The Tyranitar from [[Team A.C.T.]] appears in the [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Ginji's Rescue Team]] manga. He, along with his teammates, is a role model of {{OBP|Mudkip|Ginji's Rescue Team}} and tries to rescue him when he mistakenly believes that [[Ginji]] is a threat to Mudkip's safety.<br /> <br /> ===In the Pokémon Gold &amp; Silver: The Golden Boys manga===<br /> {{GnB|Black}} unseals the [[Black Tyranitar]] which is {{ci|Cianwood}}'s legendary Pokémon that once wreaked havoc in the [[Johto]] region many years ago. After being unsealed, it does the same thing it did in the past. In the end, {{GnB|Gold}} manages to seal it back with the help of [[Eusine]] and Black.<br /> <br /> ===In the Pokémon Gotta Catch 'Em All manga===<br /> [[Shu]] captures a Tyranitar.<br /> <br /> An unnamed {{OBP|thief|GDZ47}} was shown to have a Tyranitar.<br /> <br /> ===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===<br /> Tyranitar appeared in a fantasy in ''[[PM104|The Great Helper!!]]''.<br /> <br /> ===In the Pokémon Try Adventure manga===<br /> A Tyranitar appeared in [[TA24]].<br /> <br /> ===In the W Mission Story: Pokémon Ranger - the Comic manga===<br /> Billy of the [[Go-Rock Quads]] owns a Tyranitar.<br /> <br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> {{main|Tyranitar (TCG)}}<br /> {{main|Dark Tyranitar}}<br /> <br /> ==Game data==<br /> ===NPC appearances===<br /> * {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team}}: Tyranitar is a member of [[Team A.C.T.]]<br /> * {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}: [[Go-Rock Quads|Billy]] uses a Tyranitar in his attempts to stop the player.<br /> <br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Dex/Header|type=rock|type2=dark}}<br /> {{Dex/NA|gen=II}}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=II}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=Extremely strong, it can change the landscape. It has an insolent nature that makes it not care about others.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=In just one of its mighty hands, it has the power to make the ground shake and mountains crumble.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=III}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest. This Pokémon wanders about in mountains seeking new opponents to fight.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=A Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest. It roams in mountains seeking new opponents to fight.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=It has an impudent nature. Having great strength, it can even change surrounding landforms.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry3|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|v3=Platinum|entry=If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=Extremely strong, it can change the landscape. It has an insolent nature that makes it not care about others.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=The quakes caused when it walks make even great mountains crumble and change the surrounding terrain.}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=In just one of its mighty hands, it has the power to make the ground shake and mountains crumble.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and buries rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterward.}}<br /> {{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|t=FFF|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t2=FFF|entry=Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest. 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Sky|area=[[Quicksand Cave|Quicksand Pit]] (B2-B10)}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: SoA|color={{SoA color}}|link=Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|area=[[Hippowdon Temple]]}}<br /> &lt;!--{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Blazing|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (WiiWare)|color={{fire color}}|area=}}--&gt;<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=PokéPark Wii|color={{grass color}}|link=PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure|area=[[Granite Zone]]}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: GS|color={{GS color}}|link=Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|area=[[Faldera Island]], [[Fire Temple]], [[Light Temple]]}}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> {{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Cave: [[Rugged Flats]] (post-ending)}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Conquest|color={{silver color}}|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Pupitar}}}}<br /> {{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Entranceway#Battle Royale - Cage Match|Entranceway: Battle Royale - Cage 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{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}|Kotone Yasue's Tyranitar|Japanese region|Nintendo Zone|55[[File:ShinyVIStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|November 7 to December 6, 2015|link=List of Japanese region Nintendo Network event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Kotone Yasue's Tyranitar}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ====Pokémon Global Link promotions====<br /> {{eventAvail/h|type=rock|type2=dark}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|English|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|French|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|German|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|Italian|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}<br /> {{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|Global Link Tyranitar|Spanish|PGL|55|March 14 to May 23, 2013|link=List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon#Tyranitar}}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Held items===<br /> {{HeldItems|type=rock|type2=dark<br /> |colo1=Nugget|colo1type=Valuable item|colo1rar=100<br /> |event1=Focus Sash|event1type=In-battle effect item|event1rar=100<br /> |event2=Tyranitarite|event2type=Mega Stone|event2rar=100<br /> |event3=Life Orb|event3type=In-battle effect item|event3rar=100<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Stats===<br /> ====Base stats====<br /> =====Tyranitar=====<br /> {{BaseStats<br /> |type=rock<br /> |type2=dark<br /> |HP= 100<br /> |Attack= 134<br /> |Defense=110<br /> |SpAtk= 95<br /> |SpDef= 100<br /> |Speed= 61 }}<br /> <br /> =====Mega Tyranitar=====<br /> {{Base Stats<br /> |type=Rock<br /> |type2=Dark<br /> |HP=100<br /> |Attack=164<br /> |Defense=150<br /> |SpAtk=95<br /> |SpDef=120<br /> |Speed=71}}<br /> <br /> ====Pokéathlon stats====<br /> {{Pokéthlon<br /> |type=Rock<br /> |type2=Dark<br /> |Speed=2<br /> |SpeedMax=2<br /> |Power=5<br /> |PowerMax=5<br /> |Technique=4<br /> |TechniqueMax=4<br /> |Stamina=4<br /> |StaminaMax=5<br /> |Jump=2<br /> |JumpMax=2<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Type effectiveness===<br /> {{TypeEffectiveness<br /> |type1=rock<br /> |type2=dark<br /> |Normal= 50<br /> |Fighting=400<br /> |Flying= 50<br /> |Poison= 50<br /> |Ground= 200<br /> |Rock= 100<br /> |Bug= 200<br /> |Ghost= 50<br /> |Steel= 200<br /> |Fire= 50<br /> |Water= 200<br /> |Grass= 200<br /> |Electric=100<br /> |Psychic= 0<br /> |Ice= 100<br /> |Dragon= 100<br /> |Dark= 50<br /> |Fairy= 200<br /> |notes=yes<br /> |dark=yes<br /> |newpsychic=1 }}<br /> <br /> ===Learnset===<br /> ====By [[Level|leveling up]]====<br /> {{learnlist/levelh/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2|xy=n}}<br /> {{learnlist/level6|1|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15|||Cool|4|0}}<br /> 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{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|||Cute|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|||Cool|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15|||Beautiful|2|2}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|||Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tm6|HM06|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tmf/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}<br /> <br /> ====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====<br /> {{learnlist/breedh/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2|xy=n}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|408|Cranidos}}{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}}{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}{{MSP|697|Tyrantrum}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|698|Amaura}}{{MSP|699|Aurorus}}|Ancient Power|Rock|Special|60|100|5||'''|Tough|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|408|Cranidos}}{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Assurance|Dark|Physical|60|100|10||'''|Clever|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|079|Slowpoke}}{{MSP|080|Slowbro}}{{MSP|199|Slowking}}{{MSP|387|Turtwig}}{{MSP|388|Grotle}}{{MSP|389|Torterra}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|712|Bergmite}}{{MSP|713|Avalugg}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|||Tough|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|610|Axew}}{{MSP|611|Fraxure}}{{MSP|612|Haxorus}}|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|||Cool|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|104|Cubone}}{{MSP|105|Marowak}}{{MSP|408|Cranidos}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|409|Rampardos}}|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|30|||Cool|1|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|007|Squirtle}}{{MSP|008|Wartortle}}{{MSP|009|Blastoise}}{{MSP|304|Aron}}{{MSP|305|Lairon}}{{MSP|306|Aggron}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|410|Shieldon}}{{MSP|411|Bastiodon}}{{MSP|712|Bergmite}}{{MSP|713|Avalugg}}|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|15|||Tough|1|0}}<br /> 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{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|108|Lickitung}}{{MSP|463|Lickilicky}}{{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}}{{MSP|293|Whismur}}&lt;br&gt;{{MSP|294|Loudred}}{{MSP|295|Exploud}}{{MSP|357|Tropius}}{{MSP|696|Tyrunt}}{{MSP|697|Tyrantrum}}|Stomp|Normal|Physical|65|100|20|||Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/breedf/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====<br /> {{learnlist/tutorh/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2|xy=n}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Block|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|||no|yes|Cute|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|85|100|10|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|||no|yes|Tough|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|||no|yes|Tough|2|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Foul 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{{learnlist/tutor6|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|||no|yes|Tough|6|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Thunder Punch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|||no|yes|Cool|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Cute|2|1}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutor6|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|||no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/tutorf/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}<br /> <br /> ====By a prior [[evolution]]====<br /> {{learnlist/prevoh/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2|xy=n}}<br /> {{learnlist/prevo6null}}<br /> {{learnlist/prevof/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}<br /> <br /> ====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====<br /> {{learnlist/eventh/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2|xy=n}}<br /> {{learnlist/event6|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Tyranitar 2|Pokémon Center Battle Championship Tyranitar}}|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15||||Beautiful|4|0}}<br /> {{learnlist/eventf/6|Tyranitar|Rock|Dark|2}}<br /> <br /> ===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====<br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;margin:auto; background: #{{tcg darkness color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{tcg darkness color}}&quot;<br /> ! Move<br /> ! Card<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Scratch}}<br /> | [[Tyranitar ex (POP Series 1 17)]]<br /> |- style=&quot;background:#fff&quot;<br /> | {{m|Slam}}<br /> | [[Tyranitar (Neo Discovery 12)]]&lt;br&gt; [[Rocket's Tyranitar (VS 142)]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Side game data===<br /> {{Sidegame<br /> |type=rock<br /> |type2=dark<br /> |ndex=248<br /> |Trozei=yes<br /> |rarity=Rare<br /> |Dungeon=yes<br /> |body=1<br /> |rate=Evolve<br /> |area=Mt. Cleft<br /> |P1=Let us fight! For our victory!<br /> |P2=This is worrisome... My health should be down by half so soon?<br /> |P3=I'm fainting... I lack power...<br /> |PL=There! I've leveled up! I'll keep gaining power this way!<br /> |Partner=no<br /> |Ranger=yes<br /> |group=Rock<br /> |assist=Dark<br /> |field=Crush<br /> |fieldpower=3<br /> |loop=11<br /> |MinEXP=300<br /> |MaxEXP=340<br /> |browser=Tyranitar shoots a beam from its mouth. It also shakes its body to trigger quakes.<br /> |Dungeon2=yes<br /> |body2=1<br /> |rate2=-12<br /> |iq=C<br /> |rumble2=yes<br /> |rumble2attack=5<br /> |rumble2defense=5<br /> |rumble2speed=3<br /> |Ranger2=yes<br /> |group2=Rock<br /> |assist2=Dark<br /> |field2=Crush<br /> |field2power=4<br /> |browser2=It is a vicious Pokémon that triggers rockfalls and shoots beams from its mouth.<br /> |Ranger3=yes<br /> |group3=Rock<br /> |assist3=Rock<br /> |field3=Crush<br /> |field3power=4<br /> |browser3=It triggers rockfalls around itself that make Pokémon Tired.<br /> |Pad=Tyranitar is all set to show anyone in the [[Granite Zone]] his superior skills at {{DL|Attractions|Rhyperior's Bumper Burn}}.<br /> |Pad2=Ever since {{p|Conkeldurr}} scolded him for his reckless behavior, he respects Conkeldurr like a father. He does this even though he sometimes rebels against him.<br /> |Park2strong=[[File:Oshawott icon.png|link=Oshawott (Pokémon)]][[File:Snivy icon.png|link=Snivy (Pokémon)]]<br /> |Park2weak=[[File:Tepig icon.png|link=Tepig (Pokémon)]]<br /> |Conquest=yes<br /> |ConquestAtk=5<br /> |ConquestSpd=3<br /> |ConquestDef=4<br /> |ConquestHP=4<br /> |ConquestRange=2<br /> |ConquestMove={{m|Stone Edge}}<br /> |ConquestAbility1={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Frighten}}<br /> |ConquestAbility2={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Tenacity}}<br /> |ConquestAbility3={{DL|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest|Last Bastion}}<br /> |ConquestEvo=Evolves from {{p|Pupitar}} when its Attack is 132 or higher<br /> |ConquestLink={{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Kageie}}, {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Katsuyori}}, and {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Sōun}}<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Evolution===<br /> {{Evobox-3<br /> |type1=Rock<br /> |type2=Dark<br /> |pictype=art<br /> |no1=246<br /> |name1=Larvitar<br /> |type1-1=Rock<br /> |type2-1=Ground<br /> |evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}}&lt;br&gt;{{color2|000|Level|Level 30}}<br /> |no2=247<br /> |name2=Pupitar<br /> |type1-2=Rock<br /> |type2-2=Ground<br /> |evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}}&lt;br&gt;{{color2|000|Level|Level 55}}<br /> |no3=248<br /> |name3=Tyranitar<br /> |type1-3=Rock<br /> |type2-3=Dark}}<br /> <br /> ===Sprites===<br /> {{Spritebox/Header|type=rock|type2=dark}}<br /> {{Spritebox/NA|gen=II}}<br /> {{Spritebox/2|ndex=248}}<br /> {{Spritebox/3|ndex=248}}<br /> {{Spritebox/4|ndex=248}}<br /> {{Spritebox/5|ndex=248}}<br /> {{Spritebox/6/2Forms|ndex=248|form1=M}}<br /> {{Spritebox/Footer|248|Tyranitar}}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> * No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Tyranitar.<br /> * Tyranitar shares its {{pkmn|category}} name with {{p|Donphan}}. They are both known as the Armor Pokémon.<br /> * Mega Tyranitar has the highest base stat total of all {{type|Rock}} Pokémon, tied with Mega {{p|Diancie}}, and the highest base stat total of all {{type|Dark}} Pokémon.<br /> ** Mega Tyranitar has the highest base {{Stat|Attack}} and {{Stat|Defense}} stats of all Dark-type Pokémon.<br /> * Tyranitar is the only Dark-type Pokémon belonging to the {{egg3|Monster}}.<br /> * Tyranitar has the most type weaknesses of any fully evolved [[pseudo-legendary Pokémon]], with seven.<br /> * Tyranitar is the slowest pseudo-legendary Pokémon.<br /> * Several of Tyranitar's anime appearances have been in relation to [[Pokémon poacher]]s. Three poachers owned a Tyranitar while another [[Pokémon Poacher Brothers|trio]] were after one.<br /> * The Tyranitar from the [[M04|fourth movie]] shares the same roar with {{mov|Dialga}} from movies [[M10|10]], [[M11|11]], and [[M12|12]].<br /> <br /> ===Origin===<br /> Tyranitar shares strong similarities with the {{wp|Armadillo girdled lizard}}, a desert-dwelling lizard mainly distinguished by its especially firm scales.<br /> <br /> Tyranitar could also be based on {{wp|Godzilla}}, which itself was designed by combining three dinosaurs: ''{{wp|Tyrannosaurus}}'', ''{{wp|Iguanodon}}'' and ''{{wp|Stegosaurus}}'', along with a {{wp|crocodile}} and an {{wp|alligator}}. Similarly, Mega Tyranitar's shoulder spikes and head piece could indicate that it is possibly based on {{wp|SpaceGodzilla}}.<br /> <br /> ====Name origin====<br /> Tyranitar is derived from ''tyrant'' or ''{{wp|Tyrannosauroidea|Tyrannosaurus}}'' (derived from the same root) and ''{{wp|Tarasque|Tarasque}}''.<br /> <br /> Bangiras may be a combination of 野蛮 ''yaban'' (savage) or 蛮 ''ban'' (barbarian) and 嫌い ''kirai'' (hate). ''Giras'' may derive from ''Gojira'', the Japanese name for Godzilla, or ''Angiras'', the Japanese name for the character {{wp|Anguirus}}. Both are dinosaur-like {{wp|tokusatsu}} movie monsters that share some characteristics with Tyranitar.<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Other languages|type=rock|type2=dark<br /> |ja=バンギラス ''Bangiras''|jameaning=From {{tt|蛹野蛮 ''yaban''|savage}}, {{tt|蛮 ''ban''|barbarian}}, {{tt|嫌い ''kirai''|hate}}, ''Godzilla'', and ''{{wp|Anguirus|Angiras}}''<br /> |fr=Tyranocif|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|tyran|tyrant}}'' or ''Tyrannosaurus'' and ''{{tt|nocif|noxious}}''<br /> |es=Tyranitar|esmeaning=Same as English name<br /> |de=Despotar|demeaning=From ''Despot''<br /> |it=Tyranitar|itmeaning=Same as English name<br /> |ko=마기라스 ''Magiras''|komeaning=From {{tt|만 (蠻) ''man''|savage}} and ''Angiras''. May contain {{tt|마 (魔) ''ma''|evil}}, which refers to one of its type<br /> |zh_cmn=班吉拉 ''Bānjīlā''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of its Japanese name. May also be from {{tt|哥吉拉 ''Gējílā''|Godzilla}}<br /> |hi=टाईरानीटर ''Tyranitar''|himeaning=Transliteration of English name<br /> }}<br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;left&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> &lt;references /&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Related articles==<br /> * [[Black Tyranitar]]<br /> * [[Team A.C.T.]]<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> <br /> {{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Pupitar | next=Lugia | prevnum=247 | nextnum=249 | type=rock | type2=dark }}<br /> {{-}}<br /> {{Project Pokédex notice}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Shadow Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Despotar]]<br /> [[fr:Tyranocif]]<br /> [[it:Tyranitar]]<br /> [[ja:バンギラス]]<br /> [[pl:Tyranitar]]<br /> [[zh:班吉拉]]</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vikavolt_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2465755 2016-07-01T18:29:59Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* English name */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==Origin==<br /> Based on the apparent English name &quot;Vikavolt&quot; (which seems to have been leaked and has been reported on sites like Polygon and Kotaku) and this Pokémon's general appearance, I'm led to suspect that this Pokémon may be based at least partially on the [http://gradius.wikia.com/wiki/Vic_Viper Vic Viper] from the classic video game Gradius. Would that be considered a credible origin for this Pokémon, or should we wait for an official English name reveal and/or further evidence? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 17:12, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> :As a rule, we're gun shy about copyrighted stuff unless there's been an official statement about it. (It's been a problem before.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:39, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Russian name ==<br /> <br /> Could someone please add this to the in other languages section?<br /> <br /> |ru=Викаволт ''Vikavolt''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name<br /> <br /> --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;eye&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 16:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Type-effectiveness Template ==<br /> Asking here since I don't know any better place to do so. For the newly-revealed Pokémon, are we purposefully omitting the type-effectiveness chart in case there are any changes to specific weaknesses and resistances, or has it just not been added to the appropriate pages yet? For a Pokémon like this which has both its type and ability revealed it'd seem like something simple enough to add... --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == English name ==<br /> <br /> Where does &quot;Vika&quot; come from?[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 18:29, 1 July 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vikavolt_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2465754 2016-07-01T18:29:02Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Type-effectiveness Template */</p> <hr /> <div>==Origin==<br /> Based on the apparent English name &quot;Vikavolt&quot; (which seems to have been leaked and has been reported on sites like Polygon and Kotaku) and this Pokémon's general appearance, I'm led to suspect that this Pokémon may be based at least partially on the [http://gradius.wikia.com/wiki/Vic_Viper Vic Viper] from the classic video game Gradius. Would that be considered a credible origin for this Pokémon, or should we wait for an official English name reveal and/or further evidence? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 17:12, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> :As a rule, we're gun shy about copyrighted stuff unless there's been an official statement about it. (It's been a problem before.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:39, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Russian name ==<br /> <br /> Could someone please add this to the in other languages section?<br /> <br /> |ru=Викаволт ''Vikavolt''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name<br /> <br /> --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;eye&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 16:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Type-effectiveness Template ==<br /> Asking here since I don't know any better place to do so. For the newly-revealed Pokémon, are we purposefully omitting the type-effectiveness chart in case there are any changes to specific weaknesses and resistances, or has it just not been added to the appropriate pages yet? For a Pokémon like this which has both its type and ability revealed it'd seem like something simple enough to add... --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vikavolt_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2465753 2016-07-01T18:27:45Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* English name */</p> <hr /> <div>==Origin==<br /> Based on the apparent English name &quot;Vikavolt&quot; (which seems to have been leaked and has been reported on sites like Polygon and Kotaku) and this Pokémon's general appearance, I'm led to suspect that this Pokémon may be based at least partially on the [http://gradius.wikia.com/wiki/Vic_Viper Vic Viper] from the classic video game Gradius. Would that be considered a credible origin for this Pokémon, or should we wait for an official English name reveal and/or further evidence? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 17:12, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> :As a rule, we're gun shy about copyrighted stuff unless there's been an official statement about it. (It's been a problem before.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:39, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Russian name ==<br /> <br /> Could someone please add this to the in other languages section?<br /> <br /> |ru=Викаволт ''Vikavolt''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name<br /> <br /> --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;eye&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 16:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Type-effectiveness Template ==<br /> Asking here since I don't know any better place to do so. For the newly-revealed Pokémon, are we purposefully omitting the type-effectiveness chart in case there are any changes to specific weaknesses and resistances, or has it just not been added to the appropriate pages yet? For a Pokémon like this which has both its type and ability revealed it'd seem like something simple enough to add... --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Where does &quot;Vika&quot; come from?[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 18:27, 1 July 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vikavolt_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2465750 2016-07-01T18:26:29Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* English name */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==Origin==<br /> Based on the apparent English name &quot;Vikavolt&quot; (which seems to have been leaked and has been reported on sites like Polygon and Kotaku) and this Pokémon's general appearance, I'm led to suspect that this Pokémon may be based at least partially on the [http://gradius.wikia.com/wiki/Vic_Viper Vic Viper] from the classic video game Gradius. Would that be considered a credible origin for this Pokémon, or should we wait for an official English name reveal and/or further evidence? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 17:12, 30 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> :As a rule, we're gun shy about copyrighted stuff unless there's been an official statement about it. (It's been a problem before.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:39, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Russian name ==<br /> <br /> Could someone please add this to the in other languages section?<br /> <br /> |ru=Викаволт ''Vikavolt''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name<br /> <br /> --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;eye&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 16:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Type-effectiveness Template ==<br /> Asking here since I don't know any better place to do so. For the newly-revealed Pokémon, are we purposefully omitting the type-effectiveness chart in case there are any changes to specific weaknesses and resistances, or has it just not been added to the appropriate pages yet? For a Pokémon like this which has both its type and ability revealed it'd seem like something simple enough to add... --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == English name ==<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 18:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)<br /> Where does &quot;Vika&quot; come from?</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yungoos_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2458166 2016-06-15T13:01:48Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Origin */</p> <hr /> <div>==In other lanuages==<br /> Could someone please add this section to the article<br /> {{Other languages|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{flying color dark}}<br /> |jp=|jpmeaning=<br /> |fr=Manglouton|frmeaning=<br /> |de=Manunior|demeaning=<br /> |it=Yungoos|itmeaning=Same as English name<br /> |ko=|komeaning=<br /> |es=Yungoos|esmeaning=Same as English anme<br /> |ru=Яангус ''Yangus''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name<br /> }}<br /> {{-}}<br /> --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:36, 14 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> for German the meaning would be &quot;From ''Manguste'' (Mongoose) and ''Junior'' (junior)&quot; ([[User:HQna|HQna]] ([[User talk:HQna|talk]]) 18:42, 14 June 2016 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Origin ==<br /> The info about Yungoos being not native to Alola is a reference to the fact that in real life mongoose are a invasive species in Hawaii dlnr.hawaii.gov/hisc/info/invasive-species-profiles/mongoose/. Should we mention this in the Origin section? --[[User:Basinox|Basinox]] ([[User talk:Basinox|talk]]) 17:40, 14 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yes. It would be a good fact to add.[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 13:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Locations ==<br /> <br /> For now, we can put that it's location is [[Alola Route 1]] {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}<br /> :I'm reluctant to put that, as that was early footage. It's subject to change. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:22, 14 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I understand. {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}<br /> :::I'm in agreement to not include it. They may have intentionally put them in the area for demo purposes and for revealing the species. That said, they are the exact types you'd expect to find on a Route 1. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:55, 14 June 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=XY098&diff=2454957 2016-06-06T19:08:41Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia */</p> <hr /> <div>{{EpicodePrevNext|<br /> prevcode=XY097 |<br /> prevtitle=A Fiery Rite of Passage! |<br /> nextcode=XY099 |<br /> nexttitle=The Legend of the Ninja Hero! |<br /> series=XY series |<br /> colorscheme=XYZ}}<br /> {{EpisodeInfobox|<br /> epcode=XY098 |<br /> altepcode=EP897 |<br /> colorscheme=XYZ|<br /> title_en=Dream a Little Dream from Me! |<br /> title_ja=ピカチュウ、プニちゃんの夢を見る！|<br /> title_ja_trans=Pikachu, Dreams of Puni-chan!|<br /> broadcast_jp=November 26, 2015|<br /> broadcast_us=March 19, 2016 |<br /> en_op=[[Stand Tall]] |<br /> ja_op=[[XY&amp;Z (song)|XY&amp;Z]] |<br /> ja_ed=[[Puni-chan's Song|プニちゃんのうた]] |<br /> olmteam=Team Kato |<br /> scenarion=1 |<br /> scenario=武上純希 |<br /> storyboardn=1 |<br /> storyboard=木村哲 |<br /> directorn=1 |<br /> director=渡部周 |<br /> artn=4 |<br /> art=中野彰子 |<br /> art2=北島勇樹 |<br /> art3=中矢利子 |<br /> art4=酒井裕未 |<br /> morecredits=no |&lt;!--please don't change to &quot;yes&quot; until the corresponding staff page has been updated--&gt;<br /> epstaffpage=XY091-XY100|<br /> footnotes=*{{filb-eppics|xyz|005}}<br /> * {{BMGf|210959|Preview thread on BMGf}} ''Closed''<br /> * {{BMGf|213276|Original review thread on BMGf}}<br /> * {{BMGf|215142|Dub review thread on BMGf}}<br /> }}<br /> '''Dream a Little Dream from Me!''' (Japanese: '''ピカチュウ、プニちゃんの夢を見る！''' ''Pikachu, Dreams of {{tt|Puni-chan|Squishy}}!'') is the 98th episode of the {{series|XY}}, and the 897th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It first aired in Japan on November 26, 2015 and in the United States on March 19, 2016.<br /> {{spoilers}}<br /> <br /> ==Blurb==<br /> &lt;!--http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/19_05-dream-a-little-dream-from-me/--&gt;<br /> &lt;i&gt;Our heroes camp out to watch a meteor shower, and then curl up in their sleeping bags. During the night, Pikachu and Team Rocket’s Meowth wake up thirsty and run into each other on their way to find water—and then start having some very strange adventures! Their Pokémon friends are all talking like people, while their human friends can only make Pokémon sounds. What’s more, all of the Pokémon seem to be able to evolve (or devolve) at will!<br /> <br /> Things get even stranger when Pikachu and Meowth meet up with Squishy, who can also talk, and who’s being pursued by a giant fireball with a face! They run away from the fire, but it keeps chasing them…until the alarm clock Clemont invented rings and then promptly explodes, waking everyone up. Nearby, our heroes spot Darkrai, the Mythical Pokémon known for causing nightmares, and the strange events of the night before suddenly become clear—it was all a dream!&lt;/i&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Plot==<br /> &lt;!-- Detailed Plot goes here. --&gt;<br /> The episode begins with {{an|Bonnie}}, {{Ash}}, {{an|Clemont}}, and {{an|Serena}} camping with their Pokémon. Everyone is in their sleeping bags, waiting to watch the meteor shower. Serena says they will all have to make a wish, and Bonnie asks why. Serena tells her that if you make a wish when you see a shooting star, it'll come true. Bonnie then decides to make a lot of wishes, and Ash agrees.<br /> <br /> The meteor shower begins, and everyone makes their wishes: Ash wishes that he meets lots of strong Trainers, Serena wishes that she wins her third {{DL|Pokémon Showcase|Princess Key}}, and Bonnie wishes that she can become a Trainer soon, and also that Clemont can find a wife soon, much to Clemont's embarrassment. Clemont can't decide what to wish for, and simply wishes that everyone else's wishes will come true.<br /> <br /> Before everyone goes to sleep, Clemont announces that he has made an alarm clock that is guaranteed to wake everyone up in the morning, so they can head out early. While everyone is sleeping, {{TP|Clemont|Dedenne}} rolls over and knocks [[Squishy]] out of Bonnie's purse. Squishy goes off on its own and finds a nearby tree to sleep in. Meanwhile, {{TRT}} is sleeping up against a tree. {{MTR}} can't sleep due to [[Jessie]] and [[James]]'s snoring, so he puts earplugs in his ears and counts {{p|Mareep}} in order to fall asleep. {{p|Darkrai}} comes and puts Meowth and {{AP|Pikachu}} into Squishy's dream.<br /> <br /> In the dream, Pikachu wakes up to go get some water. He finds a river and starts drinking from it. He is greeted by a {{p|Froakie}}, a {{p|Diggersby}}, and a {{p|Delphox}}. They can all speak somehow and startle Pikachu. Delphox wonders why Pikachu is freaking out, because to them, talking is pretty normal. She then suggests the reason for Pikachu's reaction is because he's still half asleep, and Diggersby prepares to knock Pikachu awake with one of his ears. Before he can do that, however, Pikachu panics and runs away. Meowth wakes up and goes to get water as well, and sees the talking Pokémon. He immediately freaks out and goes back to alert Jessie and James.<br /> <br /> Pikachu returns to the still-sleeping group and wakes Ash up. To his surprise, however, Ash can only talk in Pokémon, and somehow has eyes that look just like Froakie's. Pikachu is petrified and runs away from the campsite. Meowth tries to wake up Jessie and James and explains what's going on, but instead realizes that Jessie and James are speaking as if they are {{TP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}} and {{TP|James|Inkay}} respectively. Meowth freaks out as well and runs away while Jessie and James chase him. He manages to lose them by hiding in some tall grass.<br /> <br /> Pikachu and Meowth run into each other and notice nothing's weird about each other. Squishy also appears and begins to talk to Pikachu and Meowth, much to their surprise. Squishy wonders why Meowth is surprised, as he can speak as well. Meowth notes that he's been speaking for a long time. Then a flame monster appears and chases Squishy. Squishy, riding on Pikachu, manage to escape with Meowth by swimming across the river. Once they are safe, Squishy thanks them and then tells them to take it to [[Terminus Cave]], its home. Pikachu and Meowth ask why, and Squishy tells them to touch it. They do so, and Squishy transforms into {{p|Zygarde}} [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Zygarde|Complete Forme]]. Meowth and Pikachu freak out, and both wake up from the dream.<br /> <br /> Pikachu continues panicking, and wakes up Ash and Clemont. Ash asks why Pikachu is freaking out, and Clemont suggests that Pikachu had a bad dream. Remembering what happened when he touched Squishy, Pikachu looks for it, and wakes up Serena and Bonnie. They notice that Squishy isn't in Bonnie's purse. Pikachu runs away, and Clemont suggests that Pikachu went to go look for Squishy, and everyone agrees to do the same. Meanwhile, Meowth freaks out as well, and James asks why. Jessie asks if Meowth had a bad dream, and Meowth explains what happened in the dream. Jessie suggests that Meowth should relax, since it was a dream, and Meowth says that the 'dream' felt real. Meowth also runs away to look for Squishy. Meowth and Pikachu run into each other once again, and they are transported back to the dream.<br /> <br /> Pikachu and Meowth realize that they've been in the current part of the dream before, and wait for Squishy to come out of the bushes. Once it does, Squishy scolds Meowth for not running, and says that the flame monster will be back, so they should get going. Before they can, however, the flame monster appears and the group runs away again. They eventually lose the flame monster, and continue on their journey to Terminus Cave. On the way, they pass a clearing that has been destroyed by the monster. Squishy uses its powers to replenish the fields, much to Pikachu and Meowth's amazement.<br /> <br /> They continue towards Terminus Cave, and Squishy asks them to hurry before the flame monster reappears. Meowth says that if Squishy turns into Zygarde, it can easily defeat the fire monster. Squishy says it can't do that until they arrive at Terminus Cave. Before they arrive, however, the group is once again stopped by the flame monster.<br /> <br /> Squishy orders Meowth and Pikachu to fight, but the monster's powerful flame attacks easily cause Meowth to retreat. Pikachu uses {{m|Quick Attack}} on the monster, but misses. He then uses {{m|Thunderbolt}}, but to no effect. Just when all hope seems lost, Delphox, Diggersby, and Froakie all appear and try to attack the monster. Froakie uses {{m|Water Pulse}}, Delphox uses {{m|Flamethrower}}, and Diggersby uses {{m|Double Slap}}, but to no effect, and the fire monster easily defeats the trio. Diggersby gets hit and spontaneously transforms into {{p|Bunnelby}}. {{TP|Clemont|Chespin}} and {{TP|Serena|Pancham}} suddenly arrive at the battle. Pancham is holding a can of Pokémon food, which Chespin eats a morsel from. This angers Pancham, and he spontaneously evolves into {{p|Pangoro}}. Chespin evolves into {{p|Chesnaught}}, and they start arguing. They're just about to have a battle when Pikachu tries to break the argument up, and Chesnaught asks if Pikachu can spontaneously evolve, too. Pangoro translates Pikachu's answer, which is that Pikachu can't. The flame monster starts firing at them, and Chesnaught and Pangoro agree to battle after taking care of the flame monster. Chesnaught uses {{m|Pin Missile}}, Pangoro uses {{m|Dark Pulse}}, and Pikachu uses Thunderbolt. The three successfully split the flame monster into several smaller flame monsters. Before the group can finish the battle, a loud sound is heard. Clemont's alarm clock explodes and awakens everyone.<br /> <br /> Pikachu and Meowth both return to their groups, unsure if they are still in the dream or not. Ash and Clemont, still searching for Pikachu and Squishy, notice the explosion coming from their campsite. Everyone else notices it too, and question why it was so loud. Meowth returns to Jessie and James, and explains his strange dream. James suggests that Meowth has been working too much and is starting to hallucinate, and Jessie suggests that Meowth should go back to sleep. Meowth decides that he's never going to sleep again, because he doesn't want that dream again.<br /> <br /> Back at the campsite, Ash and his friends find Clemont's exploded alarm clock, and assume the explosion came from it. Clemont says he can't handle another failed contraption, and Ash cheers him up by saying that the alarm clock definitely would have woken everyone up. Bonnie retrieves Squishy from its tree, and everyone is relieved to have found it. Suddenly, a dark cloud falls over the group, and Darkrai shows itself. Ash recognizes it, and all of a sudden Pikachu shows up and runs toward Ash. Pikachu, clearly relieved that Ash is back to normal, is happy to see him. Darkrai flies off, and Clemont remarks that Darkrai was behind Pikachu's bad dream. Ash asks what the dream was about, and Pikachu appears too embarrassed to tell him. The adventurers pack up and proceed on their journey to [[Snowbelle City]].<br /> <br /> ==Major events==<br /> &lt;!-- This is not for summarizing everything that happens in this episode. Only events pertaining to the series as a whole, such as catching and releasing Pokémon and obtaining Badge, go here. --&gt;<br /> {{animeevents}}<br /> ===Debuts===<br /> ====Pokémon debuts====<br /> * {{p|Zygarde}} (Complete Forme)<br /> <br /> =====TV episode debuts=====<br /> * {{p|Chesnaught}}{{tt|*|as part of Pikachu and Meowth's dream}}<br /> <br /> ==Characters==<br /> ===Humans===<br /> [[File:Pokémon Quiz XY098.png|200px|thumb|right|Pokémon Quiz]]<br /> * {{Ash}}<br /> * {{an|Serena}}<br /> * {{an|Clemont}}<br /> * {{an|Bonnie}}<br /> * [[Jessie]]<br /> * [[James]]<br /> <br /> ===Pokémon===<br /> [[File:WTP XY098.png|thumb|200px|Who's That Pokémon?]]<br /> [[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Darkrai}} ''(US and international)'' &lt;br&gt;<br /> [[Pokémon Quiz]]: {{p|Darkrai}} ''(Japan)''<br /> * {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})<br /> * {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})<br /> * {{p|Dedenne}} ({{OP|Clemont|Dedenne}})<br /> * {{p|Froakie}} ({{OP|Ash|Froakie}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Frogadier}} ({{OP|Ash|Frogadier}})<br /> * {{p|Bunnelby}} ({{OP|Clemont|Bunnelby}})<br /> * {{p|Diggersby}} ({{OP|Clemont|Bunnelby}}; devolves in dream)<br /> * {{p|Chespin}} ({{OP|Clemont|Chespin}}; directly evolves in dream)<br /> * {{p|Chesnaught}} ({{OP|Clemont|Chespin}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Braixen}} ({{OP|Serena|Braixen}})<br /> * {{p|Delphox}} ({{OP|Serena|Braixen}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Pancham}} ({{OP|Serena|Pancham}}; evolves in dream)<br /> * {{p|Pangoro}} ({{OP|Serena|Pancham}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Zygarde}} ({{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Zygarde|Zygarde Core and Complete}}; [[Squishy]]) (Zygarde Complete Forme in dream)<br /> * {{p|Darkrai}}<br /> * {{p|Mareep}} (multiple; dream)<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> [[File:Title Card XY Pikachu V2.png|200px|thumb|The title card segment focuses on Pikachu for this episode]]<br /> * In the Japanese version, the title card segment focuses on {{AP|Pikachu}} and is read by Pikachu and {{MTR}}.<br /> * [[Poké TV]]: ''Pokémon Unbelievable'' featuring {{p|Darkrai}} and {{p|Cresselia}}.<br /> ** This is the first time a previously featured Poké TV program is used, albeit on a different subject.<br /> * Early in the episode, Ash and his friends watch the [[Litleonids|Litleonid meteor shower]], a phenomenon first mentioned in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}'s [[Delta Episode]].<br /> ** The {{wp|Leonids}}, the annual meteor shower on which the Litleonid meteor shower is based, occurs in November, the same month the episode aired in Japan.<br /> * Team Rocket does not blast off, recite their {{motto}}, or even attempt to capture Pikachu or other Pokémon in this episode.<br /> ** This may be mostly due to the fact that the episode focuses on Pikachu and Meowth.<br /> * [[Nihei]], [[Sanpei]], and [[Ippei]] narrate the preview for the [[XY099|next episode]].<br /> * The dub episode title is a reference to a song called {{wp|Dream a Little Dream of Me}}.<br /> * Pikachu is the only Pokemon that does not talk in the dream.<br /> <br /> ===Errors===<br /> * When Pikachu and Meowth are running away from the fiery ghost figure, Squishy disappears from Pikachu's back.<br /> * In the dream after [[Serena's Braixen]] (as a Delphox) uses Flamethrower, the ribbon on her wand disappears.<br /> * In one scene, a part of James's eyes are the same color as the background.<br /> * In the Brazilian Portuguese dub, &quot;Portuguese&quot; is misspelled as &quot;Portugues&quot; in the credits.<br /> <br /> &lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:XY098 error 1.png|Squishy disappears from Pikachu's back.<br /> File:XY098 error 2.png|The ribbon on Dream Delphox's wand disappears.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Dub edits===<br /> * Ash reads the title card instead of {{AP|Pikachu}} and {{MTR}}.<br /> * In the Japanese version, Darkrai utters a faint cry upon being spotted by Ash and {{ashfr}} near the end of the episode. In the dub, however, Darkrai does not make any sound after it runs away upon being spotted by Ash and company.<br /> * The post credits scene of the fight between [[Clemont's Chespin]] and [[Serena's Pancham]] in their final evolved forms {{p|Chesnaught}} and {{p|Pangoro}} in their dream was cut in the dub.<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Epilang|color=A1D175|bordercolor=6FB82B<br /> |da={{tt|Drøm en lille drøm fra mig!|Dream a little dream from me!}}<br /> |nl={{tt|In je dromen!|In your dreams!}}<br /> |fi={{tt|Uniseikkailu!|Dream adventure!}}<br /> |fr_eu={{tt|Fais un petit rêve pour moi !|Make a little dream from me!}}<br /> |it={{tt|Ti porterei in un sogno!|I would bring you into a dream!}}<br /> |no={{tt|Drøm en liten drøm fra meg!|Dream a little dream from me!}}<br /> |pt_br={{tt|Sonhe Um Sonho Por Mim!|Dream A Dream For Me!}}<br /> |sv={{tt|Dröm en liten dröm från mig!|Dream a little dream from me!}}<br /> |}}<br /> {{-}}<br /> {{EpicodePrevNext|<br /> prevcode=XY097 |<br /> prevtitle=A Fiery Rite of Passage! |<br /> nextcode=XY099 |<br /> nexttitle=The Legend of the Ninja Hero! |<br /> series=XY series |<br /> colorscheme=XYZ}}<br /> {{Project Anime notice}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:XY series episodes|098]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes in which a Legendary Pokémon appears|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes in which a Mythical Pokémon appears|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Junki Takegami|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes storyboarded by Tetsu Kimura|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Shū Watanabe|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Akiko Nakano|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Izumi Shimura|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Riko Nakaya|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Hiromi Sakai|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Kanae Matsunaga|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Yūki Kitajima|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes by multiple animation directors|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes focusing on Pikachu|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes focusing on Meowth|897]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Pikachu, Puni-chan no Yume o miru!]]<br /> [[fr:XY098]]<br /> [[ja:XY編第98話]]<br /> [[zh:XY097]]</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=XY098&diff=2454956 2016-06-06T19:07:56Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Errors */</p> <hr /> <div>{{EpicodePrevNext|<br /> prevcode=XY097 |<br /> prevtitle=A Fiery Rite of Passage! |<br /> nextcode=XY099 |<br /> nexttitle=The Legend of the Ninja Hero! |<br /> series=XY series |<br /> colorscheme=XYZ}}<br /> {{EpisodeInfobox|<br /> epcode=XY098 |<br /> altepcode=EP897 |<br /> colorscheme=XYZ|<br /> title_en=Dream a Little Dream from Me! |<br /> title_ja=ピカチュウ、プニちゃんの夢を見る！|<br /> title_ja_trans=Pikachu, Dreams of Puni-chan!|<br /> broadcast_jp=November 26, 2015|<br /> broadcast_us=March 19, 2016 |<br /> en_op=[[Stand Tall]] |<br /> ja_op=[[XY&amp;Z (song)|XY&amp;Z]] |<br /> ja_ed=[[Puni-chan's Song|プニちゃんのうた]] |<br /> olmteam=Team Kato |<br /> scenarion=1 |<br /> scenario=武上純希 |<br /> storyboardn=1 |<br /> storyboard=木村哲 |<br /> directorn=1 |<br /> director=渡部周 |<br /> artn=4 |<br /> art=中野彰子 |<br /> art2=北島勇樹 |<br /> art3=中矢利子 |<br /> art4=酒井裕未 |<br /> morecredits=no |&lt;!--please don't change to &quot;yes&quot; until the corresponding staff page has been updated--&gt;<br /> epstaffpage=XY091-XY100|<br /> footnotes=*{{filb-eppics|xyz|005}}<br /> * {{BMGf|210959|Preview thread on BMGf}} ''Closed''<br /> * {{BMGf|213276|Original review thread on BMGf}}<br /> * {{BMGf|215142|Dub review thread on BMGf}}<br /> }}<br /> '''Dream a Little Dream from Me!''' (Japanese: '''ピカチュウ、プニちゃんの夢を見る！''' ''Pikachu, Dreams of {{tt|Puni-chan|Squishy}}!'') is the 98th episode of the {{series|XY}}, and the 897th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It first aired in Japan on November 26, 2015 and in the United States on March 19, 2016.<br /> {{spoilers}}<br /> <br /> ==Blurb==<br /> &lt;!--http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/19_05-dream-a-little-dream-from-me/--&gt;<br /> &lt;i&gt;Our heroes camp out to watch a meteor shower, and then curl up in their sleeping bags. During the night, Pikachu and Team Rocket’s Meowth wake up thirsty and run into each other on their way to find water—and then start having some very strange adventures! Their Pokémon friends are all talking like people, while their human friends can only make Pokémon sounds. What’s more, all of the Pokémon seem to be able to evolve (or devolve) at will!<br /> <br /> Things get even stranger when Pikachu and Meowth meet up with Squishy, who can also talk, and who’s being pursued by a giant fireball with a face! They run away from the fire, but it keeps chasing them…until the alarm clock Clemont invented rings and then promptly explodes, waking everyone up. Nearby, our heroes spot Darkrai, the Mythical Pokémon known for causing nightmares, and the strange events of the night before suddenly become clear—it was all a dream!&lt;/i&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Plot==<br /> &lt;!-- Detailed Plot goes here. --&gt;<br /> The episode begins with {{an|Bonnie}}, {{Ash}}, {{an|Clemont}}, and {{an|Serena}} camping with their Pokémon. Everyone is in their sleeping bags, waiting to watch the meteor shower. Serena says they will all have to make a wish, and Bonnie asks why. Serena tells her that if you make a wish when you see a shooting star, it'll come true. Bonnie then decides to make a lot of wishes, and Ash agrees.<br /> <br /> The meteor shower begins, and everyone makes their wishes: Ash wishes that he meets lots of strong Trainers, Serena wishes that she wins her third {{DL|Pokémon Showcase|Princess Key}}, and Bonnie wishes that she can become a Trainer soon, and also that Clemont can find a wife soon, much to Clemont's embarrassment. Clemont can't decide what to wish for, and simply wishes that everyone else's wishes will come true.<br /> <br /> Before everyone goes to sleep, Clemont announces that he has made an alarm clock that is guaranteed to wake everyone up in the morning, so they can head out early. While everyone is sleeping, {{TP|Clemont|Dedenne}} rolls over and knocks [[Squishy]] out of Bonnie's purse. Squishy goes off on its own and finds a nearby tree to sleep in. Meanwhile, {{TRT}} is sleeping up against a tree. {{MTR}} can't sleep due to [[Jessie]] and [[James]]'s snoring, so he puts earplugs in his ears and counts {{p|Mareep}} in order to fall asleep. {{p|Darkrai}} comes and puts Meowth and {{AP|Pikachu}} into Squishy's dream.<br /> <br /> In the dream, Pikachu wakes up to go get some water. He finds a river and starts drinking from it. He is greeted by a {{p|Froakie}}, a {{p|Diggersby}}, and a {{p|Delphox}}. They can all speak somehow and startle Pikachu. Delphox wonders why Pikachu is freaking out, because to them, talking is pretty normal. She then suggests the reason for Pikachu's reaction is because he's still half asleep, and Diggersby prepares to knock Pikachu awake with one of his ears. Before he can do that, however, Pikachu panics and runs away. Meowth wakes up and goes to get water as well, and sees the talking Pokémon. He immediately freaks out and goes back to alert Jessie and James.<br /> <br /> Pikachu returns to the still-sleeping group and wakes Ash up. To his surprise, however, Ash can only talk in Pokémon, and somehow has eyes that look just like Froakie's. Pikachu is petrified and runs away from the campsite. Meowth tries to wake up Jessie and James and explains what's going on, but instead realizes that Jessie and James are speaking as if they are {{TP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}} and {{TP|James|Inkay}} respectively. Meowth freaks out as well and runs away while Jessie and James chase him. He manages to lose them by hiding in some tall grass.<br /> <br /> Pikachu and Meowth run into each other and notice nothing's weird about each other. Squishy also appears and begins to talk to Pikachu and Meowth, much to their surprise. Squishy wonders why Meowth is surprised, as he can speak as well. Meowth notes that he's been speaking for a long time. Then a flame monster appears and chases Squishy. Squishy, riding on Pikachu, manage to escape with Meowth by swimming across the river. Once they are safe, Squishy thanks them and then tells them to take it to [[Terminus Cave]], its home. Pikachu and Meowth ask why, and Squishy tells them to touch it. They do so, and Squishy transforms into {{p|Zygarde}} [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Zygarde|Complete Forme]]. Meowth and Pikachu freak out, and both wake up from the dream.<br /> <br /> Pikachu continues panicking, and wakes up Ash and Clemont. Ash asks why Pikachu is freaking out, and Clemont suggests that Pikachu had a bad dream. Remembering what happened when he touched Squishy, Pikachu looks for it, and wakes up Serena and Bonnie. They notice that Squishy isn't in Bonnie's purse. Pikachu runs away, and Clemont suggests that Pikachu went to go look for Squishy, and everyone agrees to do the same. Meanwhile, Meowth freaks out as well, and James asks why. Jessie asks if Meowth had a bad dream, and Meowth explains what happened in the dream. Jessie suggests that Meowth should relax, since it was a dream, and Meowth says that the 'dream' felt real. Meowth also runs away to look for Squishy. Meowth and Pikachu run into each other once again, and they are transported back to the dream.<br /> <br /> Pikachu and Meowth realize that they've been in the current part of the dream before, and wait for Squishy to come out of the bushes. Once it does, Squishy scolds Meowth for not running, and says that the flame monster will be back, so they should get going. Before they can, however, the flame monster appears and the group runs away again. They eventually lose the flame monster, and continue on their journey to Terminus Cave. On the way, they pass a clearing that has been destroyed by the monster. Squishy uses its powers to replenish the fields, much to Pikachu and Meowth's amazement.<br /> <br /> They continue towards Terminus Cave, and Squishy asks them to hurry before the flame monster reappears. Meowth says that if Squishy turns into Zygarde, it can easily defeat the fire monster. Squishy says it can't do that until they arrive at Terminus Cave. Before they arrive, however, the group is once again stopped by the flame monster.<br /> <br /> Squishy orders Meowth and Pikachu to fight, but the monster's powerful flame attacks easily cause Meowth to retreat. Pikachu uses {{m|Quick Attack}} on the monster, but misses. He then uses {{m|Thunderbolt}}, but to no effect. Just when all hope seems lost, Delphox, Diggersby, and Froakie all appear and try to attack the monster. Froakie uses {{m|Water Pulse}}, Delphox uses {{m|Flamethrower}}, and Diggersby uses {{m|Double Slap}}, but to no effect, and the fire monster easily defeats the trio. Diggersby gets hit and spontaneously transforms into {{p|Bunnelby}}. {{TP|Clemont|Chespin}} and {{TP|Serena|Pancham}} suddenly arrive at the battle. Pancham is holding a can of Pokémon food, which Chespin eats a morsel from. This angers Pancham, and he spontaneously evolves into {{p|Pangoro}}. Chespin evolves into {{p|Chesnaught}}, and they start arguing. They're just about to have a battle when Pikachu tries to break the argument up, and Chesnaught asks if Pikachu can spontaneously evolve, too. Pangoro translates Pikachu's answer, which is that Pikachu can't. The flame monster starts firing at them, and Chesnaught and Pangoro agree to battle after taking care of the flame monster. Chesnaught uses {{m|Pin Missile}}, Pangoro uses {{m|Dark Pulse}}, and Pikachu uses Thunderbolt. The three successfully split the flame monster into several smaller flame monsters. Before the group can finish the battle, a loud sound is heard. Clemont's alarm clock explodes and awakens everyone.<br /> <br /> Pikachu and Meowth both return to their groups, unsure if they are still in the dream or not. Ash and Clemont, still searching for Pikachu and Squishy, notice the explosion coming from their campsite. Everyone else notices it too, and question why it was so loud. Meowth returns to Jessie and James, and explains his strange dream. James suggests that Meowth has been working too much and is starting to hallucinate, and Jessie suggests that Meowth should go back to sleep. Meowth decides that he's never going to sleep again, because he doesn't want that dream again.<br /> <br /> Back at the campsite, Ash and his friends find Clemont's exploded alarm clock, and assume the explosion came from it. Clemont says he can't handle another failed contraption, and Ash cheers him up by saying that the alarm clock definitely would have woken everyone up. Bonnie retrieves Squishy from its tree, and everyone is relieved to have found it. Suddenly, a dark cloud falls over the group, and Darkrai shows itself. Ash recognizes it, and all of a sudden Pikachu shows up and runs toward Ash. Pikachu, clearly relieved that Ash is back to normal, is happy to see him. Darkrai flies off, and Clemont remarks that Darkrai was behind Pikachu's bad dream. Ash asks what the dream was about, and Pikachu appears too embarrassed to tell him. The adventurers pack up and proceed on their journey to [[Snowbelle City]].<br /> <br /> ==Major events==<br /> &lt;!-- This is not for summarizing everything that happens in this episode. Only events pertaining to the series as a whole, such as catching and releasing Pokémon and obtaining Badge, go here. --&gt;<br /> {{animeevents}}<br /> ===Debuts===<br /> ====Pokémon debuts====<br /> * {{p|Zygarde}} (Complete Forme)<br /> <br /> =====TV episode debuts=====<br /> * {{p|Chesnaught}}{{tt|*|as part of Pikachu and Meowth's dream}}<br /> <br /> ==Characters==<br /> ===Humans===<br /> [[File:Pokémon Quiz XY098.png|200px|thumb|right|Pokémon Quiz]]<br /> * {{Ash}}<br /> * {{an|Serena}}<br /> * {{an|Clemont}}<br /> * {{an|Bonnie}}<br /> * [[Jessie]]<br /> * [[James]]<br /> <br /> ===Pokémon===<br /> [[File:WTP XY098.png|thumb|200px|Who's That Pokémon?]]<br /> [[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Darkrai}} ''(US and international)'' &lt;br&gt;<br /> [[Pokémon Quiz]]: {{p|Darkrai}} ''(Japan)''<br /> * {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})<br /> * {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})<br /> * {{p|Dedenne}} ({{OP|Clemont|Dedenne}})<br /> * {{p|Froakie}} ({{OP|Ash|Froakie}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Frogadier}} ({{OP|Ash|Frogadier}})<br /> * {{p|Bunnelby}} ({{OP|Clemont|Bunnelby}})<br /> * {{p|Diggersby}} ({{OP|Clemont|Bunnelby}}; devolves in dream)<br /> * {{p|Chespin}} ({{OP|Clemont|Chespin}}; directly evolves in dream)<br /> * {{p|Chesnaught}} ({{OP|Clemont|Chespin}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Braixen}} ({{OP|Serena|Braixen}})<br /> * {{p|Delphox}} ({{OP|Serena|Braixen}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Pancham}} ({{OP|Serena|Pancham}}; evolves in dream)<br /> * {{p|Pangoro}} ({{OP|Serena|Pancham}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Zygarde}} ({{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Zygarde|Zygarde Core and Complete}}; [[Squishy]]) (Zygarde Complete Forme in dream)<br /> * {{p|Darkrai}}<br /> * {{p|Mareep}} (multiple; dream)<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> [[File:Title Card XY Pikachu V2.png|200px|thumb|The title card segment focuses on Pikachu for this episode]]<br /> * In the Japanese version, the title card segment focuses on {{AP|Pikachu}} and is read by Pikachu and {{MTR}}.<br /> * [[Poké TV]]: ''Pokémon Unbelievable'' featuring {{p|Darkrai}} and {{p|Cresselia}}.<br /> ** This is the first time a previously featured Poké TV program is used, albeit on a different subject.<br /> * Early in the episode, Ash and his friends watch the [[Litleonids|Litleonid meteor shower]], a phenomenon first mentioned in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}'s [[Delta Episode]].<br /> ** The {{wp|Leonids}}, the annual meteor shower on which the Litleonid meteor shower is based, occurs in November, the same month the episode aired in Japan.<br /> * Team Rocket does not blast off, recite their {{motto}}, or even attempt to capture Pikachu or other Pokémon in this episode.<br /> ** This may be mostly due to the fact that the episode focuses on Pikachu and Meowth.<br /> * [[Nihei]], [[Sanpei]], and [[Ippei]] narrate the preview for the [[XY099|next episode]].<br /> * The dub episode title is a reference to a song called {{wp|Dream a Little Dream of Me}}.<br /> <br /> ===Errors===<br /> * When Pikachu and Meowth are running away from the fiery ghost figure, Squishy disappears from Pikachu's back.<br /> * In the dream after [[Serena's Braixen]] (as a Delphox) uses Flamethrower, the ribbon on her wand disappears.<br /> * In one scene, a part of James's eyes are the same color as the background.<br /> * In the Brazilian Portuguese dub, &quot;Portuguese&quot; is misspelled as &quot;Portugues&quot; in the credits.<br /> <br /> &lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:XY098 error 1.png|Squishy disappears from Pikachu's back.<br /> File:XY098 error 2.png|The ribbon on Dream Delphox's wand disappears.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Dub edits===<br /> * Ash reads the title card instead of {{AP|Pikachu}} and {{MTR}}.<br /> * In the Japanese version, Darkrai utters a faint cry upon being spotted by Ash and {{ashfr}} near the end of the episode. In the dub, however, Darkrai does not make any sound after it runs away upon being spotted by Ash and company.<br /> * The post credits scene of the fight between [[Clemont's Chespin]] and [[Serena's Pancham]] in their final evolved forms {{p|Chesnaught}} and {{p|Pangoro}} in their dream was cut in the dub.<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Epilang|color=A1D175|bordercolor=6FB82B<br /> |da={{tt|Drøm en lille drøm fra mig!|Dream a little dream from me!}}<br /> |nl={{tt|In je dromen!|In your dreams!}}<br /> |fi={{tt|Uniseikkailu!|Dream adventure!}}<br /> |fr_eu={{tt|Fais un petit rêve pour moi !|Make a little dream from me!}}<br /> |it={{tt|Ti porterei in un sogno!|I would bring you into a dream!}}<br /> |no={{tt|Drøm en liten drøm fra meg!|Dream a little dream from me!}}<br /> |pt_br={{tt|Sonhe Um Sonho Por Mim!|Dream A Dream For Me!}}<br /> |sv={{tt|Dröm en liten dröm från mig!|Dream a little dream from me!}}<br /> |}}<br /> {{-}}<br /> {{EpicodePrevNext|<br /> prevcode=XY097 |<br /> prevtitle=A Fiery Rite of Passage! |<br /> nextcode=XY099 |<br /> nexttitle=The Legend of the Ninja Hero! |<br /> series=XY series |<br /> colorscheme=XYZ}}<br /> {{Project Anime notice}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:XY series episodes|098]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes in which a Legendary Pokémon appears|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes in which a Mythical Pokémon appears|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Junki Takegami|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes storyboarded by Tetsu Kimura|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Shū Watanabe|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Akiko Nakano|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Izumi Shimura|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Riko Nakaya|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Hiromi Sakai|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Kanae Matsunaga|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Yūki Kitajima|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes by multiple animation directors|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes focusing on Pikachu|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes focusing on Meowth|897]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Pikachu, Puni-chan no Yume o miru!]]<br /> [[fr:XY098]]<br /> [[ja:XY編第98話]]<br /> [[zh:XY097]]</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=XY098&diff=2454955 2016-06-06T19:07:18Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia */</p> <hr /> <div>{{EpicodePrevNext|<br /> prevcode=XY097 |<br /> prevtitle=A Fiery Rite of Passage! |<br /> nextcode=XY099 |<br /> nexttitle=The Legend of the Ninja Hero! |<br /> series=XY series |<br /> colorscheme=XYZ}}<br /> {{EpisodeInfobox|<br /> epcode=XY098 |<br /> altepcode=EP897 |<br /> colorscheme=XYZ|<br /> title_en=Dream a Little Dream from Me! |<br /> title_ja=ピカチュウ、プニちゃんの夢を見る！|<br /> title_ja_trans=Pikachu, Dreams of Puni-chan!|<br /> broadcast_jp=November 26, 2015|<br /> broadcast_us=March 19, 2016 |<br /> en_op=[[Stand Tall]] |<br /> ja_op=[[XY&amp;Z (song)|XY&amp;Z]] |<br /> ja_ed=[[Puni-chan's Song|プニちゃんのうた]] |<br /> olmteam=Team Kato |<br /> scenarion=1 |<br /> scenario=武上純希 |<br /> storyboardn=1 |<br /> storyboard=木村哲 |<br /> directorn=1 |<br /> director=渡部周 |<br /> artn=4 |<br /> art=中野彰子 |<br /> art2=北島勇樹 |<br /> art3=中矢利子 |<br /> art4=酒井裕未 |<br /> morecredits=no |&lt;!--please don't change to &quot;yes&quot; until the corresponding staff page has been updated--&gt;<br /> epstaffpage=XY091-XY100|<br /> footnotes=*{{filb-eppics|xyz|005}}<br /> * {{BMGf|210959|Preview thread on BMGf}} ''Closed''<br /> * {{BMGf|213276|Original review thread on BMGf}}<br /> * {{BMGf|215142|Dub review thread on BMGf}}<br /> }}<br /> '''Dream a Little Dream from Me!''' (Japanese: '''ピカチュウ、プニちゃんの夢を見る！''' ''Pikachu, Dreams of {{tt|Puni-chan|Squishy}}!'') is the 98th episode of the {{series|XY}}, and the 897th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It first aired in Japan on November 26, 2015 and in the United States on March 19, 2016.<br /> {{spoilers}}<br /> <br /> ==Blurb==<br /> &lt;!--http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/19_05-dream-a-little-dream-from-me/--&gt;<br /> &lt;i&gt;Our heroes camp out to watch a meteor shower, and then curl up in their sleeping bags. During the night, Pikachu and Team Rocket’s Meowth wake up thirsty and run into each other on their way to find water—and then start having some very strange adventures! Their Pokémon friends are all talking like people, while their human friends can only make Pokémon sounds. What’s more, all of the Pokémon seem to be able to evolve (or devolve) at will!<br /> <br /> Things get even stranger when Pikachu and Meowth meet up with Squishy, who can also talk, and who’s being pursued by a giant fireball with a face! They run away from the fire, but it keeps chasing them…until the alarm clock Clemont invented rings and then promptly explodes, waking everyone up. Nearby, our heroes spot Darkrai, the Mythical Pokémon known for causing nightmares, and the strange events of the night before suddenly become clear—it was all a dream!&lt;/i&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Plot==<br /> &lt;!-- Detailed Plot goes here. --&gt;<br /> The episode begins with {{an|Bonnie}}, {{Ash}}, {{an|Clemont}}, and {{an|Serena}} camping with their Pokémon. Everyone is in their sleeping bags, waiting to watch the meteor shower. Serena says they will all have to make a wish, and Bonnie asks why. Serena tells her that if you make a wish when you see a shooting star, it'll come true. Bonnie then decides to make a lot of wishes, and Ash agrees.<br /> <br /> The meteor shower begins, and everyone makes their wishes: Ash wishes that he meets lots of strong Trainers, Serena wishes that she wins her third {{DL|Pokémon Showcase|Princess Key}}, and Bonnie wishes that she can become a Trainer soon, and also that Clemont can find a wife soon, much to Clemont's embarrassment. Clemont can't decide what to wish for, and simply wishes that everyone else's wishes will come true.<br /> <br /> Before everyone goes to sleep, Clemont announces that he has made an alarm clock that is guaranteed to wake everyone up in the morning, so they can head out early. While everyone is sleeping, {{TP|Clemont|Dedenne}} rolls over and knocks [[Squishy]] out of Bonnie's purse. Squishy goes off on its own and finds a nearby tree to sleep in. Meanwhile, {{TRT}} is sleeping up against a tree. {{MTR}} can't sleep due to [[Jessie]] and [[James]]'s snoring, so he puts earplugs in his ears and counts {{p|Mareep}} in order to fall asleep. {{p|Darkrai}} comes and puts Meowth and {{AP|Pikachu}} into Squishy's dream.<br /> <br /> In the dream, Pikachu wakes up to go get some water. He finds a river and starts drinking from it. He is greeted by a {{p|Froakie}}, a {{p|Diggersby}}, and a {{p|Delphox}}. They can all speak somehow and startle Pikachu. Delphox wonders why Pikachu is freaking out, because to them, talking is pretty normal. She then suggests the reason for Pikachu's reaction is because he's still half asleep, and Diggersby prepares to knock Pikachu awake with one of his ears. Before he can do that, however, Pikachu panics and runs away. Meowth wakes up and goes to get water as well, and sees the talking Pokémon. He immediately freaks out and goes back to alert Jessie and James.<br /> <br /> Pikachu returns to the still-sleeping group and wakes Ash up. To his surprise, however, Ash can only talk in Pokémon, and somehow has eyes that look just like Froakie's. Pikachu is petrified and runs away from the campsite. Meowth tries to wake up Jessie and James and explains what's going on, but instead realizes that Jessie and James are speaking as if they are {{TP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}} and {{TP|James|Inkay}} respectively. Meowth freaks out as well and runs away while Jessie and James chase him. He manages to lose them by hiding in some tall grass.<br /> <br /> Pikachu and Meowth run into each other and notice nothing's weird about each other. Squishy also appears and begins to talk to Pikachu and Meowth, much to their surprise. Squishy wonders why Meowth is surprised, as he can speak as well. Meowth notes that he's been speaking for a long time. Then a flame monster appears and chases Squishy. Squishy, riding on Pikachu, manage to escape with Meowth by swimming across the river. Once they are safe, Squishy thanks them and then tells them to take it to [[Terminus Cave]], its home. Pikachu and Meowth ask why, and Squishy tells them to touch it. They do so, and Squishy transforms into {{p|Zygarde}} [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Zygarde|Complete Forme]]. Meowth and Pikachu freak out, and both wake up from the dream.<br /> <br /> Pikachu continues panicking, and wakes up Ash and Clemont. Ash asks why Pikachu is freaking out, and Clemont suggests that Pikachu had a bad dream. Remembering what happened when he touched Squishy, Pikachu looks for it, and wakes up Serena and Bonnie. They notice that Squishy isn't in Bonnie's purse. Pikachu runs away, and Clemont suggests that Pikachu went to go look for Squishy, and everyone agrees to do the same. Meanwhile, Meowth freaks out as well, and James asks why. Jessie asks if Meowth had a bad dream, and Meowth explains what happened in the dream. Jessie suggests that Meowth should relax, since it was a dream, and Meowth says that the 'dream' felt real. Meowth also runs away to look for Squishy. Meowth and Pikachu run into each other once again, and they are transported back to the dream.<br /> <br /> Pikachu and Meowth realize that they've been in the current part of the dream before, and wait for Squishy to come out of the bushes. Once it does, Squishy scolds Meowth for not running, and says that the flame monster will be back, so they should get going. Before they can, however, the flame monster appears and the group runs away again. They eventually lose the flame monster, and continue on their journey to Terminus Cave. On the way, they pass a clearing that has been destroyed by the monster. Squishy uses its powers to replenish the fields, much to Pikachu and Meowth's amazement.<br /> <br /> They continue towards Terminus Cave, and Squishy asks them to hurry before the flame monster reappears. Meowth says that if Squishy turns into Zygarde, it can easily defeat the fire monster. Squishy says it can't do that until they arrive at Terminus Cave. Before they arrive, however, the group is once again stopped by the flame monster.<br /> <br /> Squishy orders Meowth and Pikachu to fight, but the monster's powerful flame attacks easily cause Meowth to retreat. Pikachu uses {{m|Quick Attack}} on the monster, but misses. He then uses {{m|Thunderbolt}}, but to no effect. Just when all hope seems lost, Delphox, Diggersby, and Froakie all appear and try to attack the monster. Froakie uses {{m|Water Pulse}}, Delphox uses {{m|Flamethrower}}, and Diggersby uses {{m|Double Slap}}, but to no effect, and the fire monster easily defeats the trio. Diggersby gets hit and spontaneously transforms into {{p|Bunnelby}}. {{TP|Clemont|Chespin}} and {{TP|Serena|Pancham}} suddenly arrive at the battle. Pancham is holding a can of Pokémon food, which Chespin eats a morsel from. This angers Pancham, and he spontaneously evolves into {{p|Pangoro}}. Chespin evolves into {{p|Chesnaught}}, and they start arguing. They're just about to have a battle when Pikachu tries to break the argument up, and Chesnaught asks if Pikachu can spontaneously evolve, too. Pangoro translates Pikachu's answer, which is that Pikachu can't. The flame monster starts firing at them, and Chesnaught and Pangoro agree to battle after taking care of the flame monster. Chesnaught uses {{m|Pin Missile}}, Pangoro uses {{m|Dark Pulse}}, and Pikachu uses Thunderbolt. The three successfully split the flame monster into several smaller flame monsters. Before the group can finish the battle, a loud sound is heard. Clemont's alarm clock explodes and awakens everyone.<br /> <br /> Pikachu and Meowth both return to their groups, unsure if they are still in the dream or not. Ash and Clemont, still searching for Pikachu and Squishy, notice the explosion coming from their campsite. Everyone else notices it too, and question why it was so loud. Meowth returns to Jessie and James, and explains his strange dream. James suggests that Meowth has been working too much and is starting to hallucinate, and Jessie suggests that Meowth should go back to sleep. Meowth decides that he's never going to sleep again, because he doesn't want that dream again.<br /> <br /> Back at the campsite, Ash and his friends find Clemont's exploded alarm clock, and assume the explosion came from it. Clemont says he can't handle another failed contraption, and Ash cheers him up by saying that the alarm clock definitely would have woken everyone up. Bonnie retrieves Squishy from its tree, and everyone is relieved to have found it. Suddenly, a dark cloud falls over the group, and Darkrai shows itself. Ash recognizes it, and all of a sudden Pikachu shows up and runs toward Ash. Pikachu, clearly relieved that Ash is back to normal, is happy to see him. Darkrai flies off, and Clemont remarks that Darkrai was behind Pikachu's bad dream. Ash asks what the dream was about, and Pikachu appears too embarrassed to tell him. The adventurers pack up and proceed on their journey to [[Snowbelle City]].<br /> <br /> ==Major events==<br /> &lt;!-- This is not for summarizing everything that happens in this episode. Only events pertaining to the series as a whole, such as catching and releasing Pokémon and obtaining Badge, go here. --&gt;<br /> {{animeevents}}<br /> ===Debuts===<br /> ====Pokémon debuts====<br /> * {{p|Zygarde}} (Complete Forme)<br /> <br /> =====TV episode debuts=====<br /> * {{p|Chesnaught}}{{tt|*|as part of Pikachu and Meowth's dream}}<br /> <br /> ==Characters==<br /> ===Humans===<br /> [[File:Pokémon Quiz XY098.png|200px|thumb|right|Pokémon Quiz]]<br /> * {{Ash}}<br /> * {{an|Serena}}<br /> * {{an|Clemont}}<br /> * {{an|Bonnie}}<br /> * [[Jessie]]<br /> * [[James]]<br /> <br /> ===Pokémon===<br /> [[File:WTP XY098.png|thumb|200px|Who's That Pokémon?]]<br /> [[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Darkrai}} ''(US and international)'' &lt;br&gt;<br /> [[Pokémon Quiz]]: {{p|Darkrai}} ''(Japan)''<br /> * {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})<br /> * {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})<br /> * {{p|Dedenne}} ({{OP|Clemont|Dedenne}})<br /> * {{p|Froakie}} ({{OP|Ash|Froakie}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Frogadier}} ({{OP|Ash|Frogadier}})<br /> * {{p|Bunnelby}} ({{OP|Clemont|Bunnelby}})<br /> * {{p|Diggersby}} ({{OP|Clemont|Bunnelby}}; devolves in dream)<br /> * {{p|Chespin}} ({{OP|Clemont|Chespin}}; directly evolves in dream)<br /> * {{p|Chesnaught}} ({{OP|Clemont|Chespin}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Braixen}} ({{OP|Serena|Braixen}})<br /> * {{p|Delphox}} ({{OP|Serena|Braixen}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Pancham}} ({{OP|Serena|Pancham}}; evolves in dream)<br /> * {{p|Pangoro}} ({{OP|Serena|Pancham}}; dream)<br /> * {{p|Zygarde}} ({{DL|List of Pokémon with form differences|Zygarde|Zygarde Core and Complete}}; [[Squishy]]) (Zygarde Complete Forme in dream)<br /> * {{p|Darkrai}}<br /> * {{p|Mareep}} (multiple; dream)<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> [[File:Title Card XY Pikachu V2.png|200px|thumb|The title card segment focuses on Pikachu for this episode]]<br /> * In the Japanese version, the title card segment focuses on {{AP|Pikachu}} and is read by Pikachu and {{MTR}}.<br /> * [[Poké TV]]: ''Pokémon Unbelievable'' featuring {{p|Darkrai}} and {{p|Cresselia}}.<br /> ** This is the first time a previously featured Poké TV program is used, albeit on a different subject.<br /> * Early in the episode, Ash and his friends watch the [[Litleonids|Litleonid meteor shower]], a phenomenon first mentioned in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}'s [[Delta Episode]].<br /> ** The {{wp|Leonids}}, the annual meteor shower on which the Litleonid meteor shower is based, occurs in November, the same month the episode aired in Japan.<br /> * Team Rocket does not blast off, recite their {{motto}}, or even attempt to capture Pikachu or other Pokémon in this episode.<br /> ** This may be mostly due to the fact that the episode focuses on Pikachu and Meowth.<br /> * [[Nihei]], [[Sanpei]], and [[Ippei]] narrate the preview for the [[XY099|next episode]].<br /> * The dub episode title is a reference to a song called {{wp|Dream a Little Dream of Me}}.<br /> <br /> ===Errors===<br /> * When Pikachu and Meowth are running away from the fiery ghost figure, Squishy disappears from Pikachu's back.<br /> * In the dream after [[Serena's Braixen]] (as a Delphox) uses Flamethrower, the ribbon on her wand disappears.<br /> * In one scene, a part of James's eyes are the same color as the background.<br /> * In the Brazilian Portuguese dub, &quot;Portuguese&quot; is misspelled as &quot;Portugues&quot; in the credits.<br /> * Pikachu is the only Pokemon to not talk in the dream.<br /> <br /> &lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:XY098 error 1.png|Squishy disappears from Pikachu's back.<br /> File:XY098 error 2.png|The ribbon on Dream Delphox's wand disappears.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Dub edits===<br /> * Ash reads the title card instead of {{AP|Pikachu}} and {{MTR}}.<br /> * In the Japanese version, Darkrai utters a faint cry upon being spotted by Ash and {{ashfr}} near the end of the episode. In the dub, however, Darkrai does not make any sound after it runs away upon being spotted by Ash and company.<br /> * The post credits scene of the fight between [[Clemont's Chespin]] and [[Serena's Pancham]] in their final evolved forms {{p|Chesnaught}} and {{p|Pangoro}} in their dream was cut in the dub.<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> {{Epilang|color=A1D175|bordercolor=6FB82B<br /> |da={{tt|Drøm en lille drøm fra mig!|Dream a little dream from me!}}<br /> |nl={{tt|In je dromen!|In your dreams!}}<br /> |fi={{tt|Uniseikkailu!|Dream adventure!}}<br /> |fr_eu={{tt|Fais un petit rêve pour moi !|Make a little dream from me!}}<br /> |it={{tt|Ti porterei in un sogno!|I would bring you into a dream!}}<br /> |no={{tt|Drøm en liten drøm fra meg!|Dream a little dream from me!}}<br /> |pt_br={{tt|Sonhe Um Sonho Por Mim!|Dream A Dream For Me!}}<br /> |sv={{tt|Dröm en liten dröm från mig!|Dream a little dream from me!}}<br /> |}}<br /> {{-}}<br /> {{EpicodePrevNext|<br /> prevcode=XY097 |<br /> prevtitle=A Fiery Rite of Passage! |<br /> nextcode=XY099 |<br /> nexttitle=The Legend of the Ninja Hero! |<br /> series=XY series |<br /> colorscheme=XYZ}}<br /> {{Project Anime notice}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:XY series episodes|098]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes in which a Legendary Pokémon appears|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes in which a Mythical Pokémon appears|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Junki Takegami|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes storyboarded by Tetsu Kimura|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Shū Watanabe|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Akiko Nakano|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Izumi Shimura|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Riko Nakaya|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Hiromi Sakai|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Kanae Matsunaga|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes animated by Yūki Kitajima|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes by multiple animation directors|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes focusing on Pikachu|897]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes focusing on Meowth|897]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Pikachu, Puni-chan no Yume o miru!]]<br /> [[fr:XY098]]<br /> [[ja:XY編第98話]]<br /> [[zh:XY097]]</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_1&diff=2454251 2016-06-05T14:52:06Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Individual Characteristics: Others */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==What???==<br /> What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :im not going to say its unnessecary, but &quot;Psuedo-legendary&quot; sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a &quot;Competitive Battling Project&quot; thing. I do believe I heard the term &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]<br /> <br /> ::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie<br /> <br /> :::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flygon? ==<br /> <br /> I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonair? ==<br /> <br /> CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Aggron ==<br /> <br /> What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0;&quot;&gt;'''K'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#50C878;&quot;&gt;'''P'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA6C9;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==<br /> <br /> Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-legendary --&gt; Powerhouse ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.<br /> <br /> Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.<br /> <br /> It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).<br /> <br /> ::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC) <br /> <br /> I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> absolutly, my old car was nicknamed &quot;the powerhouse&quot; but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, &quot;powerhouse&quot; is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics! <br /> <br /> ::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).<br /> <br /> ::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.<br /> <br /> ::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is the usage of &quot;legendary.&quot; There are Pokémon that are &quot;legendary&quot; which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon &quot;qualify&quot; has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones &quot;deserve&quot; to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Title Trouble ==<br /> <br /> Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it &quot;powerhouse&quot; '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Arcanine ==<br /> Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''Boy'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''wonder'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 600 stat point total a requirement? ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk<br /> ::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true &quot;Base&quot; stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> =={{p|Lucario}}==<br /> Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, <br /> two types, as well as a base stat total of 600. <br /> :::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. &lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;[[user:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;Cho&lt;/span&gt;]][[user talk:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;col&lt;/span&gt;]][[special:contributions/chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;ate&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Mgraw&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==<br /> Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Inbalance ==<br /> <br /> Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sub&gt; 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New table ==<br /> '''Here:'''<br /> {| align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;&quot;| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:149.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:248.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:373.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:376.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:445.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dark}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! 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colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:147.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:246.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:371.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:374.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:443.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |}<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Available only as their first form. ==<br /> <br /> The article states that &quot;Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum.&quot;<br /> <br /> However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 &quot;most&quot;, or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy? <br /> <br /> I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> :There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kingdra ==<br /> <br /> It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat total trivia ==<br /> <br /> On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.<br /> Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|&amp;#91;&amp;#91;Derian&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Question ==<br /> <br /> Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like &quot;at least 600&quot;? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==<br /> <br /> Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}<br /> <br /> :Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ash's Larvitar ==<br /> <br /> It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,&quot;Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family.&quot; or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::From my previous comment on the matter:<br /> ::::::''Its article is named as such'' &lt;small&gt;[ie. &quot;Ash's Larvitar&quot;]&lt;/small&gt; ''for the sake of simplicity''<br /> :::::We can't very well call the article &quot;the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him&quot; or something. :P &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there<br /> <br /> == Addition of Charizard ==<br /> I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#e072a9;&quot;&gt;ティナ&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kibago ==<br /> <br /> Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--&lt;small&gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Dratini==<br /> Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> ::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Wrong. Trivia must be &quot;on topic&quot;. You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross is used in Gen V ==<br /> <br /> Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> == Ononokus ==<br /> <br /> Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#C11B17&quot;&gt;でんのう&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;font color=&quot;#347C2C&quot;&gt;☢&lt;/font&gt; [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#151B8D&quot;&gt;'''Z'''えんし&lt;/font&gt;]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}<br /> <br /> == Two types really necessary? ==<br /> <br /> I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should &quot;define&quot; a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ulgamoth ==<br /> <br /> This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a &quot;legendary&quot; because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being &quot;strong&quot; has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes &quot;has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100&quot;. Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::In other words, think of it this way:<br /> <br /> ::::::-Non-legendary.<br /> ::::::-Evolves atleast once.<br /> ::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.<br /> ::::::-Dual typed.<br /> ::::::-Slow Experience group.<br /> <br /> ::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.<br /> <br /> :::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == METAGROSS ==<br /> <br /> In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Did anyone mention... ==<br /> that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.<br /> :It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> : : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]<br /> <br /> == Coincidences. ==<br /> <br /> Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C3C3C3&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#D8D8D8&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Slaking ==<br /> <br /> I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means &quot;resembling a legendary&quot;, and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are &quot;like legendaries&quot;, we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. &quot;The fandom&quot; is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean &quot;like legendary&quot;, it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). &quot;The fandom&quot; refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == So seriously, what's the definition? ==<br /> <br /> As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> : PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called &quot;Pikachu Clones&quot; back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as &quot;Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve.&quot; Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the &quot;mono-&quot; part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.<br /> :::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?<br /> :::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.<br /> :::::The &quot;three-stage evolutionary family&quot; thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying &quot;not legendary&quot;, but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of &quot;pseudolegendaries&quot;, so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.<br /> :::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)<br /> :::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say &quot;Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary&quot;... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of &quot;means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon&quot;), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.<br /> :::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::::It's part of the &quot;pattern&quot; that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> (unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==<br /> <br /> Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}<br /> :That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Something unique about Metagross ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability capitalization ==<br /> <br /> A user with permission could change &quot;ability&quot; to &quot;Ability&quot; in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Seriously? ==<br /> <br /> Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> :As the protection log notes: &quot;''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''&quot; - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==<br /> <br /> * &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch.&quot;<br /> <br /> Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor RFEs ==<br /> <br /> Playing the Grammar Nazi card....<br /> <br /> Under the Metagross section, there is this line:<br /> <br /> :&quot;This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon.&quot;<br /> <br /> The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.<br /> <br /> And under Garchomp's section:<br /> <br /> :&quot;It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,&quot;<br /> <br /> Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.<br /> <br /> --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Use by gym leaders ==<br /> <br /> Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Pages ==<br /> I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...<br /> Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're &quot;pseudo-legendary Pokémon&quot; up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to &quot;Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)&quot;. It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say &quot;X is a Y-type Eeveelution&quot;. What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross in Gen III ==<br /> <br /> I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <br /> :Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==<br /> <br /> enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Users ==<br /> <br /> Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&amp;Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the article. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra Description ==<br /> <br /> Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==<br /> <br /> You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Evolutions ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Counting error ==<br /> <br /> With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mistaken ==<br /> <br /> Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be &quot;mistaken&quot; for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == mainly shared weakness? ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}<br /> :Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, &quot;All but one&quot; is not notable trivia. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can be added to the &quot;Individual characteristics&quot; section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Information about Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :By the end of any given generation, all Pokemon (regardless of pseudo-legendary status) have appeared in the anime except Porygon2 and Porygon-Z, so I feel like saying that on this page is unnecessary altogether. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can any admin turn these sprites into artwork since the page is protected. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Admins, since we're in Generation VI, could you turn sprites into artwork so that is my commet above. And turn Goodra's Dream World artwork into a Sugimori artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks, one down, six to go, can you turn Dragonite, Tyraniter, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp and Hydreigon's sprites into artwork? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have any 4× weaknesses. ==<br /> <br /> This is false. With the introduction of Goodra, Metagross is no longer the only pseudo-legendary with 4x weaknesses. Goodra has only one type, and therefore can't have any 4x weakness. I would edit this myself, but I can't. [[User:Svolur|Svolur]] ([[User talk:Svolur|talk]]) 04:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error regarding Sliggoo ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first paired games of their generation.&quot; This is not true since in X/Y there are wild Sliggoo. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Due to having the same typing as Dragonite, Salamence differs itself by being entirely focused on attacking prowess. It's stats are high in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, while comparatively low in both Defense stats.&quot; Please correct that &quot;it's&quot; and ban whoever wrote it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Another typo on the page: &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot;. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 09:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == A few changes... ==<br /> <br /> :1. (3.2.8 Other) Dragonite and Tyranitar's Special Defenses of 100 pale in comparison to Goodra's 150.<br /> :2. (3.3 Users) Last I checked, Shauna is neither an Elite 4 member nor a Champion, and so should probably be included in the second list (which, by the way, already has more than three examples, with two of them being outside of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum).<br /> :3. (4 In the anime) &quot;newly introduced&quot; should be changed to &quot;newly-introduced&quot;. <br /> Thanks. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :On that last one — it's incorrect to use a hyphen after a -ly word, per AP style guidelines. I quote from the AP Stylebook 2012, page 301 of the punctuation guide, under the entry on hyphens: ''&quot;COMPOUND MODIFIERS: When a compound modifier — two or more words that express as single concept — precedes a noun, use hyphens to link all the words in the compound except the adverb very and all adverbs that end in -ly.&quot;'' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah! You learn something new every day. Also, a few more things:<br /> :::4. (2 Characteristics) That second paragraph needs rewriting; I propose: &quot;The base stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon have base stat totals of 300, while their first evolutions have base stat totals of 420, excluding Pupitar and Gabite, which have 410. In general, pseudo-legendary Pokémon have Attack as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon and Goodra, which have Special Attack and Special Defense as their highest stats, respectively.&quot;<br /> :::5. (3.2.1 Dragonite) The last sentence should be removed, what with the very affectionate, and might I add adorable, Goodra.<br /> :::6. (3.3 Users) It should be somehow mentioned that in Black and White 2's Challenge Mode, Caitlin's use of Metagross extends to her first battle.<br /> ::-- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Did 5 and 6. I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. 1 was dealt with ages ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goomy line's catch rate ==<br /> <br /> It was confirmed that the Goomy line's catch rate is 20, not 45, will admins add information about the catch rates because this line and the Beldum line do not have a catch rate of 45. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Oh sorry, we don't know the Goomy line's catch rate until the catch rates of Kalos Pokémon are from the official sources, my bad. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Spelling and the Goomy line==<br /> Because Legendary Pokémon are spelled as 'legendary', could someone change it to 'Legendary' according to a user's Pokémon Syntax? Also, the Goomy line are not next to the Legendary Pokémon and Sliggoo doesn't have a BST of 420, which instead had a BST of 452. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :I'm happy to leave &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; as that, since it's a fan term and doesn't necessarily have to fit the same capitalization standard as &quot;Legendary Pokémon&quot;. This is mainly because I don't feel like going through and doing all the relinking though—it would be way easier conceptually if it was written as &quot;pseudo-Legendary&quot;. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Additional fact ==<br /> <br /> Under the list of exceptions to the Elite Four and Champions being the only people to use pseudo-legendaries, can someone add that Roark uses a Tyranitar during the rematches at the Battleground in Platinum? [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :That whole exceptions section was meant to be for only the three Trainers in DPPt that used pseudo-legendaries, but it just kept building up with examples from other games. I've removed it, since it is no longer accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokédex placement ==<br /> <br /> &quot;With the exception of the Garchomp and Hydreigon evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective generations&quot;<br /> <br /> This line actually isn't correct anymore, the Goodra line is next to Karrablast and Quagsire in regional, with Klefki in national. And since it's only one 4/7 of the Pokémon, I don't think it's really notable anymore. -[[User:IVsaur|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightbrown&quot;&gt;EVs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;IVsaurs&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Correct. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This Page Should Be Deleted ==<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;Rolls Eyes* This is a wiki, and wikis deal in factual information, not user-created lists and categories... By this logic, every wiki for game that have mod support should have an individual page for every user-created mod. I don't see a legitimate reason as to why this page should exist, as it in no way fits in with the content template every page on Bulbapedia is based off of... [[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 21:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#What???|What???]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::This page desribes a clear pattern of Pokémon that Game Freak has put into the game. We just use he fan name to describe them, because there is no official one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Does three stage evolution really matters? ==<br /> <br /> I got a doubt, does three stage evolution really matters, because many pokemon like heracross has a base stat of 600 and is a dual Bug/Fighting type. Its signature move Megahorn is the most powerful bug type move, and it's movepool contains some powerful moves like Earthquack and Focuspunch with its base stat comes par with legendary pokemon and even has 4x damage on celebi. [[User:Tgage|Tgage]] ([[User talk:Tgage|talk]]) 12:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it does, it is a vital part of the definition. By the same logic, you could ask if the 600 base stat total really matters.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 13:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonite's height ==<br /> <br /> I saw that Tyranitar and Goodra are not the tallest non-Mega Evolved pseudo-legendary Pokémon, Dragonite is according to its height, could someone change it now? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Miss a trainer ==<br /> <br /> Colress had a Metagross in his final match in Plasma Frigate --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == salamence ==<br /> <br /> salamence is used by iris during rematches--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 20:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor fix - Bad wikilink on Garchomp ==<br /> <br /> Should instead link to the subheading which Garchomp is under; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences#Generation_IV_Pok.C3.A9mon instead of just a link to the page.{{unsigned|Pokepro97}}<br /> <br /> ==Edit request==<br /> In Metagross's section under individual characteristics, it says that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokemon to not be used by Lance, but this isn't the case since Goodra has been introduced (as far as I know). Could someone remove or edit that line? [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Averages ==<br /> <br /> As far as I'm concerned, the current base stat averages for this page are outdated. They do not take Goodra's stats into account, only averaging the Base stats of all pseudo-legendaries up to Hydreigon. From my calculations, the Base Stats averages (with Goodra's base stats into account) currently are an average HP stat of 93.71, an average Attack of 127.57, an average Defense of 95.71, an average Special Attack of 102.14, an average Special Defense of 99.29, and an average Speed of 84.43. If someone could update the Base Stat averages with these that would be neat. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|AmourShipper]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 03:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;A weaknesses&quot;...? ==<br /> <br /> In the Metagross subsection, one of the sentences says: &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have a weaknesses(Note the &quot;es&quot; at the end of &quot;Weakness&quot;) to Fairy-type moves.&quot;<br /> <br /> &quot;a weaknesses&quot; sounds incorrect, and it must be &quot;a weakness&quot;. Thanks! --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> Hydreigon is confirmed to have a double weakness to Fairy, unlike other psuedo-legendaries(Please note the Metagross is not weak to Fairy). --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Comparison ==<br /> <br /> Perhaps we could have a chart showing a comparison of their base stats like the Legendary pages and others have? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Guess no? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it's a decent idea, although it would require the creation of a new template. Currently we have {{template|fivepokemonstats}} and {{template|Groupstats/8}}, but nothing for 7. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, it'll be easy to make. 8 started as 7 and was moved and modified for 8 with Sylveon's release. I'll grab the coding from a previous revision and take care of it now. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, my memory is crap, not how it went at all. Still, looks like we did have [[Template:Groupstats/7]] at one time. Can we restore that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Oh, didn't even realize it used to be a thing. I should have, since I was involved in it, but oh well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Following the evolution of Ash's Sliggoo, the anime section is going to need updating. I'd do it myself but the page is protected. -'''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 18:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :[[File:132Ditto.png|50px]] --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Done. If you have any suggestions on better wording, let me know.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Not to be nitpicky, but I think the sentence at the beginning of the anime section also needs to have the part about Goodra removed from it. [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rotating pictures for &quot;In the anime&quot; section ==<br /> <br /> [[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Iris Dragonite|1=Dirk Tyranitar|2=Salamence anime|3=Rebecca Metagross|4=Cynthia Garchomp|5=Cameron Hydreigon|6=Ash Goodra|}}.png|thumb|right|200px|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Dragonite|1=Tyranitar|2=Salamence|3=Metagross|4=Garchomp|5=Hydreidon|6=Goodra|}} in the anime]] Can someone update the picture in the anime section so it would rotate between all of the Psudo-legendary Pokémon instead of only showing one of them, like so?<br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Rotating images are bad. Readers have no idea that the image rotates. Either stick them all in a gallery, or just pick one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> The base stat averages don't take into account Goodra's stats. The stat averages should be updated to:&lt;br&gt;<br /> HP: 93.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Attack: 124.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Defense: 95.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Atk: 102.14&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Def: 99.29&lt;br&gt;<br /> Speed: 84.43&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[User:Lillihaxo|Lillihaxo]] ([[User talk:Lillihaxo|talk]]) 08:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos Dex ==<br /> <br /> The Metagross line is the only one not in the Kalos Dex. [[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 23:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)SirOni<br /> <br /> == Edit request for definition of &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; ==<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage [[evolution]] line, [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]], and a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.<br /> <br /> Other variations of the definition omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.&quot; <br /> <br /> should become<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] that is not in the [[Undiscovered (Egg Group)|Undiscovered Egg Group]] and has a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. Currently, all pseudo-legendary Pokémon have exactly two [[evolution|pre-evolutions]] which can only evolve by leveling up past a certain [[level]] and [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]]. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.&quot;<br /> <br /> The BST of 600 matters because anything less would make it less &quot;legendary&quot;. Legendary Pokemon are set apart by their lack of evolutionary relatives, inability to breed, and high stats. As long as a Pokemon meets the latter requirement and not the former two, wouldn't it make sense for it to be a pseudo-legendary Pokemon?<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It's fine as it is.<br /> :No, it's not okay for it to only have &quot;high stats&quot;. Psuedo-legendaries were ''originally'' (strong) Pokemon who came between ''legitimate'' Legendary Pokemon in the Pokedex but were not Legendaries themselves. The definition of &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; is molded to conform to the strong pattern that those Pokemon showed: three stages, BST 600, slow experience.<br /> :If you want a broader definition, you need a ''different'' term. You simply can't just ignore &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot;'s history/baggage and change it completely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::So if they introduced a Pokemon that met my definition but not the one on the article, people wouldn't consider it pseudo-legendary, even if it just had a fluctuating growth rate instead of a slow one? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::It's not impossible that some day we could change our minds in some way. For now, there's no apparent reason for us to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::The definition was changed several times (removed the end-of-Pokedex requirement to include Garchomp, removed the dual type requirement to include Goodra), so if a Pokemon like the one I suggested were really introduced, wouldn't it be very likely that the definition will change again? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::So does that mean I can't edit the article until such a Pokemon (or several such Pokemon) is introduced? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That would be correct, because the current definition of pseudo-legendary has no reason to change right now. You are trying to change something to match your view, when the majority of the Pokémon fanbase would still be using the current definition. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 14:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Manga section ==<br /> <br /> A manga section for the pseudo-legendaries is missing. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :On another note, the Dragonite from the Pokémon Origins anime could go here too as a pseudo-legendary has appeared in that medium. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics: Others==<br /> <br /> I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydreigon are the only two pseudo legendaries with a unique type combination. Another thing to add to that is that they are both Dark-types.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting fact to add.<br /> '''All of the pseudo-legendary Pokemon appear towards the end of the regional Pokedexs.'''<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 14:49, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :False. Neither Garchomp nor Goodra do. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> My bad.[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Please add this useless bit of trivia. ==<br /> <br /> * All pseudo-legendary Pokémon introduced in a [[generation]] divisible by three (and only these pseudo-legendary Pokémon) cannot learn {{m|Surf}}.<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :This is way too specific and not notable in the slightest. --[[User:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95EB5C&quot;&gt;Carmen&lt;small&gt;★&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FEBEE8&quot;&gt;(Talk |&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A6DAFC&quot;&gt;contribs)&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 20:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Can we add &quot;only pseudo-legend that requires a special condition to evolve&quot;, for Goodra?<br /> ([[User:Shadoguardian|Shadoguardian]] ([[User talk:Shadoguardian|talk]]) 15:47, 4 June 2016 (UTC))<br /> :I don't think it's very notable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:38, 4 June 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics: Others ==<br /> <br /> In &quot;Others,&quot; I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydriegon are the only psuedo-legendaries to have a unique type combination. Can you add to that fact that both Pokemon are also part Dark-type?[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 14:52, 5 June 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:XY098&diff=2454250 2016-06-05T14:37:09Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia fact */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>== Darkrai's Bad Dreams ==<br /> <br /> It's peculiar that in [[M10|previous]] [[DP104|cases]] of a {{p|Darkrai}} appearing, its {{a|Bad Dreams}} [[Ability]] affected everyone (both people and Pokémon) who was {{status|asleep}}, but in this episode, Bad Dreams only affected {{AP|Pikachu}}, {{TP|Team Rocket|Meowth}}, and later {{TP|Clemont|Chespin}} and {{TP|Serena|Pancham}} despite {{Ash}} and [[Ash's friends|friends]], {{TP|Bonnie|Dedenne}}, [[Puni-chan]], and {{TRT}} being asleep as well. Is this worth mentioning in the trivia section that the Darkrai was only targeting several Pokémon who were asleep and not everyone who was? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 22:53, 28 November 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Genders ==<br /> <br /> Like we know Braixen is female and she has a female voice when she appeared as a Delphox, can we presume that froagadier, chespin, pancham and bunnelby are all male because of their voices ? [[User:Upratik 12|&lt;I&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Pr&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;at&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;ik_12&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/I&gt;]] &lt;sub&gt;'' [[User talk:Upratik 12|&lt;span style=&quot;color:violet&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/sub&gt; 15:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC)<br /> :No. Just because they sound male, doesn't mean they are male. They could very well be female with masculine voices.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pocket Monsters? ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible that this episode drew inspiration from the first Pokemon Manga?--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 12:51, 21 March 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dub Edits ==<br /> <br /> In the dub edits section, it says that 'the extra scene of the fight between Clemont's Chespin and Serena's Pancham in their final forms Chesnaught and Pangoro in their dream was cut in the dub.' But when I saw the episode this morning (I only watch the dub), I could very well see the two fighting over Pancham's food. So what extra scene is being referred to here? [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 15:48, 17 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> : It's a post-credit Poké TV Section, nothing to do with Food. Check the Screenshots on Filb link if you really want to see it [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 15:55, 17 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> Here's an interesting trivia fact to add.<br /> '''Pikachu is the only Pokemon to not talk in the dream.'''<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 14:37, 5 June 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_1&diff=2450720 2016-05-28T23:30:00Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Individual Characteristics: Others */</p> <hr /> <div>==What???==<br /> What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :im not going to say its unnessecary, but &quot;Psuedo-legendary&quot; sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a &quot;Competitive Battling Project&quot; thing. I do believe I heard the term &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]<br /> <br /> ::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie<br /> <br /> :::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flygon? ==<br /> <br /> I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonair? ==<br /> <br /> CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Aggron ==<br /> <br /> What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0;&quot;&gt;'''K'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#50C878;&quot;&gt;'''P'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA6C9;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==<br /> <br /> Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-legendary --&gt; Powerhouse ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.<br /> <br /> Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.<br /> <br /> It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).<br /> <br /> ::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC) <br /> <br /> I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> absolutly, my old car was nicknamed &quot;the powerhouse&quot; but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, &quot;powerhouse&quot; is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics! <br /> <br /> ::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).<br /> <br /> ::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.<br /> <br /> ::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is the usage of &quot;legendary.&quot; There are Pokémon that are &quot;legendary&quot; which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon &quot;qualify&quot; has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones &quot;deserve&quot; to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Title Trouble ==<br /> <br /> Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it &quot;powerhouse&quot; '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Arcanine ==<br /> Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''Boy'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''wonder'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 600 stat point total a requirement? ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk<br /> ::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true &quot;Base&quot; stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> =={{p|Lucario}}==<br /> Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, <br /> two types, as well as a base stat total of 600. <br /> :::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. &lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;[[user:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;Cho&lt;/span&gt;]][[user talk:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;col&lt;/span&gt;]][[special:contributions/chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;ate&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Mgraw&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==<br /> Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Inbalance ==<br /> <br /> Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sub&gt; 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New table ==<br /> '''Here:'''<br /> {| align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;&quot;| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:149.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:248.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:373.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:376.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:445.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dark}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:148.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:247.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:372.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:375.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:444.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:147.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:246.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:371.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:374.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:443.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |}<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Available only as their first form. ==<br /> <br /> The article states that &quot;Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum.&quot;<br /> <br /> However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 &quot;most&quot;, or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy? <br /> <br /> I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> :There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kingdra ==<br /> <br /> It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat total trivia ==<br /> <br /> On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.<br /> Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|&amp;#91;&amp;#91;Derian&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Question ==<br /> <br /> Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like &quot;at least 600&quot;? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==<br /> <br /> Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}<br /> <br /> :Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ash's Larvitar ==<br /> <br /> It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,&quot;Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family.&quot; or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::From my previous comment on the matter:<br /> ::::::''Its article is named as such'' &lt;small&gt;[ie. &quot;Ash's Larvitar&quot;]&lt;/small&gt; ''for the sake of simplicity''<br /> :::::We can't very well call the article &quot;the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him&quot; or something. :P &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there<br /> <br /> == Addition of Charizard ==<br /> I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#e072a9;&quot;&gt;ティナ&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kibago ==<br /> <br /> Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--&lt;small&gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Dratini==<br /> Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> ::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Wrong. Trivia must be &quot;on topic&quot;. You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross is used in Gen V ==<br /> <br /> Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> == Ononokus ==<br /> <br /> Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#C11B17&quot;&gt;でんのう&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;font color=&quot;#347C2C&quot;&gt;☢&lt;/font&gt; [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#151B8D&quot;&gt;'''Z'''えんし&lt;/font&gt;]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}<br /> <br /> == Two types really necessary? ==<br /> <br /> I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should &quot;define&quot; a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ulgamoth ==<br /> <br /> This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a &quot;legendary&quot; because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being &quot;strong&quot; has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes &quot;has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100&quot;. Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::In other words, think of it this way:<br /> <br /> ::::::-Non-legendary.<br /> ::::::-Evolves atleast once.<br /> ::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.<br /> ::::::-Dual typed.<br /> ::::::-Slow Experience group.<br /> <br /> ::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.<br /> <br /> :::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == METAGROSS ==<br /> <br /> In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Did anyone mention... ==<br /> that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.<br /> :It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> : : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]<br /> <br /> == Coincidences. ==<br /> <br /> Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C3C3C3&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#D8D8D8&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Slaking ==<br /> <br /> I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means &quot;resembling a legendary&quot;, and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are &quot;like legendaries&quot;, we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. &quot;The fandom&quot; is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean &quot;like legendary&quot;, it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). &quot;The fandom&quot; refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == So seriously, what's the definition? ==<br /> <br /> As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> : PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called &quot;Pikachu Clones&quot; back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as &quot;Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve.&quot; Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the &quot;mono-&quot; part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.<br /> :::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?<br /> :::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.<br /> :::::The &quot;three-stage evolutionary family&quot; thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying &quot;not legendary&quot;, but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of &quot;pseudolegendaries&quot;, so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.<br /> :::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)<br /> :::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say &quot;Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary&quot;... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of &quot;means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon&quot;), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.<br /> :::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::::It's part of the &quot;pattern&quot; that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> (unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==<br /> <br /> Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}<br /> :That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Something unique about Metagross ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability capitalization ==<br /> <br /> A user with permission could change &quot;ability&quot; to &quot;Ability&quot; in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Seriously? ==<br /> <br /> Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> :As the protection log notes: &quot;''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''&quot; - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==<br /> <br /> * &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch.&quot;<br /> <br /> Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor RFEs ==<br /> <br /> Playing the Grammar Nazi card....<br /> <br /> Under the Metagross section, there is this line:<br /> <br /> :&quot;This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon.&quot;<br /> <br /> The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.<br /> <br /> And under Garchomp's section:<br /> <br /> :&quot;It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,&quot;<br /> <br /> Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.<br /> <br /> --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Use by gym leaders ==<br /> <br /> Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Pages ==<br /> I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...<br /> Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're &quot;pseudo-legendary Pokémon&quot; up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to &quot;Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)&quot;. It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say &quot;X is a Y-type Eeveelution&quot;. What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross in Gen III ==<br /> <br /> I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <br /> :Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==<br /> <br /> enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Users ==<br /> <br /> Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&amp;Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the article. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra Description ==<br /> <br /> Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==<br /> <br /> You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Evolutions ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Counting error ==<br /> <br /> With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mistaken ==<br /> <br /> Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be &quot;mistaken&quot; for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == mainly shared weakness? ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}<br /> :Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, &quot;All but one&quot; is not notable trivia. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can be added to the &quot;Individual characteristics&quot; section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Information about Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :By the end of any given generation, all Pokemon (regardless of pseudo-legendary status) have appeared in the anime except Porygon2 and Porygon-Z, so I feel like saying that on this page is unnecessary altogether. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can any admin turn these sprites into artwork since the page is protected. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Admins, since we're in Generation VI, could you turn sprites into artwork so that is my commet above. And turn Goodra's Dream World artwork into a Sugimori artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks, one down, six to go, can you turn Dragonite, Tyraniter, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp and Hydreigon's sprites into artwork? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have any 4× weaknesses. ==<br /> <br /> This is false. With the introduction of Goodra, Metagross is no longer the only pseudo-legendary with 4x weaknesses. Goodra has only one type, and therefore can't have any 4x weakness. I would edit this myself, but I can't. [[User:Svolur|Svolur]] ([[User talk:Svolur|talk]]) 04:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error regarding Sliggoo ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first paired games of their generation.&quot; This is not true since in X/Y there are wild Sliggoo. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Due to having the same typing as Dragonite, Salamence differs itself by being entirely focused on attacking prowess. It's stats are high in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, while comparatively low in both Defense stats.&quot; Please correct that &quot;it's&quot; and ban whoever wrote it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Another typo on the page: &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot;. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 09:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == A few changes... ==<br /> <br /> :1. (3.2.8 Other) Dragonite and Tyranitar's Special Defenses of 100 pale in comparison to Goodra's 150.<br /> :2. (3.3 Users) Last I checked, Shauna is neither an Elite 4 member nor a Champion, and so should probably be included in the second list (which, by the way, already has more than three examples, with two of them being outside of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum).<br /> :3. (4 In the anime) &quot;newly introduced&quot; should be changed to &quot;newly-introduced&quot;. <br /> Thanks. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :On that last one — it's incorrect to use a hyphen after a -ly word, per AP style guidelines. I quote from the AP Stylebook 2012, page 301 of the punctuation guide, under the entry on hyphens: ''&quot;COMPOUND MODIFIERS: When a compound modifier — two or more words that express as single concept — precedes a noun, use hyphens to link all the words in the compound except the adverb very and all adverbs that end in -ly.&quot;'' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah! You learn something new every day. Also, a few more things:<br /> :::4. (2 Characteristics) That second paragraph needs rewriting; I propose: &quot;The base stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon have base stat totals of 300, while their first evolutions have base stat totals of 420, excluding Pupitar and Gabite, which have 410. In general, pseudo-legendary Pokémon have Attack as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon and Goodra, which have Special Attack and Special Defense as their highest stats, respectively.&quot;<br /> :::5. (3.2.1 Dragonite) The last sentence should be removed, what with the very affectionate, and might I add adorable, Goodra.<br /> :::6. (3.3 Users) It should be somehow mentioned that in Black and White 2's Challenge Mode, Caitlin's use of Metagross extends to her first battle.<br /> ::-- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Did 5 and 6. I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. 1 was dealt with ages ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goomy line's catch rate ==<br /> <br /> It was confirmed that the Goomy line's catch rate is 20, not 45, will admins add information about the catch rates because this line and the Beldum line do not have a catch rate of 45. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Oh sorry, we don't know the Goomy line's catch rate until the catch rates of Kalos Pokémon are from the official sources, my bad. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Spelling and the Goomy line==<br /> Because Legendary Pokémon are spelled as 'legendary', could someone change it to 'Legendary' according to a user's Pokémon Syntax? Also, the Goomy line are not next to the Legendary Pokémon and Sliggoo doesn't have a BST of 420, which instead had a BST of 452. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :I'm happy to leave &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; as that, since it's a fan term and doesn't necessarily have to fit the same capitalization standard as &quot;Legendary Pokémon&quot;. This is mainly because I don't feel like going through and doing all the relinking though—it would be way easier conceptually if it was written as &quot;pseudo-Legendary&quot;. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Additional fact ==<br /> <br /> Under the list of exceptions to the Elite Four and Champions being the only people to use pseudo-legendaries, can someone add that Roark uses a Tyranitar during the rematches at the Battleground in Platinum? [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :That whole exceptions section was meant to be for only the three Trainers in DPPt that used pseudo-legendaries, but it just kept building up with examples from other games. I've removed it, since it is no longer accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokédex placement ==<br /> <br /> &quot;With the exception of the Garchomp and Hydreigon evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective generations&quot;<br /> <br /> This line actually isn't correct anymore, the Goodra line is next to Karrablast and Quagsire in regional, with Klefki in national. And since it's only one 4/7 of the Pokémon, I don't think it's really notable anymore. -[[User:IVsaur|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightbrown&quot;&gt;EVs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;IVsaurs&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Correct. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This Page Should Be Deleted ==<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;Rolls Eyes* This is a wiki, and wikis deal in factual information, not user-created lists and categories... By this logic, every wiki for game that have mod support should have an individual page for every user-created mod. I don't see a legitimate reason as to why this page should exist, as it in no way fits in with the content template every page on Bulbapedia is based off of... [[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 21:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#What???|What???]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::This page desribes a clear pattern of Pokémon that Game Freak has put into the game. We just use he fan name to describe them, because there is no official one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Does three stage evolution really matters? ==<br /> <br /> I got a doubt, does three stage evolution really matters, because many pokemon like heracross has a base stat of 600 and is a dual Bug/Fighting type. Its signature move Megahorn is the most powerful bug type move, and it's movepool contains some powerful moves like Earthquack and Focuspunch with its base stat comes par with legendary pokemon and even has 4x damage on celebi. [[User:Tgage|Tgage]] ([[User talk:Tgage|talk]]) 12:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it does, it is a vital part of the definition. By the same logic, you could ask if the 600 base stat total really matters.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 13:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonite's height ==<br /> <br /> I saw that Tyranitar and Goodra are not the tallest non-Mega Evolved pseudo-legendary Pokémon, Dragonite is according to its height, could someone change it now? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Miss a trainer ==<br /> <br /> Colress had a Metagross in his final match in Plasma Frigate --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == salamence ==<br /> <br /> salamence is used by iris during rematches--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 20:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor fix - Bad wikilink on Garchomp ==<br /> <br /> Should instead link to the subheading which Garchomp is under; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences#Generation_IV_Pok.C3.A9mon instead of just a link to the page.{{unsigned|Pokepro97}}<br /> <br /> ==Edit request==<br /> In Metagross's section under individual characteristics, it says that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokemon to not be used by Lance, but this isn't the case since Goodra has been introduced (as far as I know). Could someone remove or edit that line? [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Averages ==<br /> <br /> As far as I'm concerned, the current base stat averages for this page are outdated. They do not take Goodra's stats into account, only averaging the Base stats of all pseudo-legendaries up to Hydreigon. From my calculations, the Base Stats averages (with Goodra's base stats into account) currently are an average HP stat of 93.71, an average Attack of 127.57, an average Defense of 95.71, an average Special Attack of 102.14, an average Special Defense of 99.29, and an average Speed of 84.43. If someone could update the Base Stat averages with these that would be neat. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|AmourShipper]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 03:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;A weaknesses&quot;...? ==<br /> <br /> In the Metagross subsection, one of the sentences says: &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have a weaknesses(Note the &quot;es&quot; at the end of &quot;Weakness&quot;) to Fairy-type moves.&quot;<br /> <br /> &quot;a weaknesses&quot; sounds incorrect, and it must be &quot;a weakness&quot;. Thanks! --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> Hydreigon is confirmed to have a double weakness to Fairy, unlike other psuedo-legendaries(Please note the Metagross is not weak to Fairy). --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Comparison ==<br /> <br /> Perhaps we could have a chart showing a comparison of their base stats like the Legendary pages and others have? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Guess no? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it's a decent idea, although it would require the creation of a new template. Currently we have {{template|fivepokemonstats}} and {{template|Groupstats/8}}, but nothing for 7. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, it'll be easy to make. 8 started as 7 and was moved and modified for 8 with Sylveon's release. I'll grab the coding from a previous revision and take care of it now. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, my memory is crap, not how it went at all. Still, looks like we did have [[Template:Groupstats/7]] at one time. Can we restore that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Oh, didn't even realize it used to be a thing. I should have, since I was involved in it, but oh well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Following the evolution of Ash's Sliggoo, the anime section is going to need updating. I'd do it myself but the page is protected. -'''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 18:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :[[File:132Ditto.png|50px]] --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Done. If you have any suggestions on better wording, let me know.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Not to be nitpicky, but I think the sentence at the beginning of the anime section also needs to have the part about Goodra removed from it. [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rotating pictures for &quot;In the anime&quot; section ==<br /> <br /> [[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Iris Dragonite|1=Dirk Tyranitar|2=Salamence anime|3=Rebecca Metagross|4=Cynthia Garchomp|5=Cameron Hydreigon|6=Ash Goodra|}}.png|thumb|right|200px|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Dragonite|1=Tyranitar|2=Salamence|3=Metagross|4=Garchomp|5=Hydreidon|6=Goodra|}} in the anime]] Can someone update the picture in the anime section so it would rotate between all of the Psudo-legendary Pokémon instead of only showing one of them, like so?<br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Rotating images are bad. Readers have no idea that the image rotates. Either stick them all in a gallery, or just pick one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> The base stat averages don't take into account Goodra's stats. The stat averages should be updated to:&lt;br&gt;<br /> HP: 93.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Attack: 124.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Defense: 95.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Atk: 102.14&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Def: 99.29&lt;br&gt;<br /> Speed: 84.43&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[User:Lillihaxo|Lillihaxo]] ([[User talk:Lillihaxo|talk]]) 08:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos Dex ==<br /> <br /> The Metagross line is the only one not in the Kalos Dex. [[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 23:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)SirOni<br /> <br /> == Edit request for definition of &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; ==<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage [[evolution]] line, [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]], and a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.<br /> <br /> Other variations of the definition omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.&quot; <br /> <br /> should become<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] that is not in the [[Undiscovered (Egg Group)|Undiscovered Egg Group]] and has a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. Currently, all pseudo-legendary Pokémon have exactly two [[evolution|pre-evolutions]] which can only evolve by leveling up past a certain [[level]] and [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]]. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.&quot;<br /> <br /> The BST of 600 matters because anything less would make it less &quot;legendary&quot;. Legendary Pokemon are set apart by their lack of evolutionary relatives, inability to breed, and high stats. As long as a Pokemon meets the latter requirement and not the former two, wouldn't it make sense for it to be a pseudo-legendary Pokemon?<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It's fine as it is.<br /> :No, it's not okay for it to only have &quot;high stats&quot;. Psuedo-legendaries were ''originally'' (strong) Pokemon who came between ''legitimate'' Legendary Pokemon in the Pokedex but were not Legendaries themselves. The definition of &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; is molded to conform to the strong pattern that those Pokemon showed: three stages, BST 600, slow experience.<br /> :If you want a broader definition, you need a ''different'' term. You simply can't just ignore &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot;'s history/baggage and change it completely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::So if they introduced a Pokemon that met my definition but not the one on the article, people wouldn't consider it pseudo-legendary, even if it just had a fluctuating growth rate instead of a slow one? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::It's not impossible that some day we could change our minds in some way. For now, there's no apparent reason for us to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::The definition was changed several times (removed the end-of-Pokedex requirement to include Garchomp, removed the dual type requirement to include Goodra), so if a Pokemon like the one I suggested were really introduced, wouldn't it be very likely that the definition will change again? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::So does that mean I can't edit the article until such a Pokemon (or several such Pokemon) is introduced? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That would be correct, because the current definition of pseudo-legendary has no reason to change right now. You are trying to change something to match your view, when the majority of the Pokémon fanbase would still be using the current definition. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 14:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Manga section ==<br /> <br /> A manga section for the pseudo-legendaries is missing. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :On another note, the Dragonite from the Pokémon Origins anime could go here too as a pseudo-legendary has appeared in that medium. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics: Others==<br /> <br /> I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydreigon are the only two pseudo legendaries with a unique type combination. Another interesting thing to add to that is that they are both Dark-types.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting fact to add.<br /> '''All of the pseudo-legendary Pokemon appear towards the end of the regional Pokedexs.'''<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 14:49, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :False. Neither Garchomp nor Goodra do. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> My bad.[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Please add this useless bit of trivia. ==<br /> <br /> * All pseudo-legendary Pokémon introduced in a [[generation]] divisible by three (and only these pseudo-legendary Pokémon) cannot learn {{m|Surf}}.<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :This is way too specific and not notable in the slightest. --[[User:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95EB5C&quot;&gt;Carmen&lt;small&gt;★&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FEBEE8&quot;&gt;(Talk |&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A6DAFC&quot;&gt;contribs)&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 20:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_1&diff=2450718 2016-05-28T23:28:55Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia fact */</p> <hr /> <div>==What???==<br /> What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :im not going to say its unnessecary, but &quot;Psuedo-legendary&quot; sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a &quot;Competitive Battling Project&quot; thing. I do believe I heard the term &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]<br /> <br /> ::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie<br /> <br /> :::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flygon? ==<br /> <br /> I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonair? ==<br /> <br /> CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Aggron ==<br /> <br /> What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0;&quot;&gt;'''K'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#50C878;&quot;&gt;'''P'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA6C9;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==<br /> <br /> Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-legendary --&gt; Powerhouse ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.<br /> <br /> Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.<br /> <br /> It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).<br /> <br /> ::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC) <br /> <br /> I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> absolutly, my old car was nicknamed &quot;the powerhouse&quot; but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, &quot;powerhouse&quot; is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics! <br /> <br /> ::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).<br /> <br /> ::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.<br /> <br /> ::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is the usage of &quot;legendary.&quot; There are Pokémon that are &quot;legendary&quot; which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon &quot;qualify&quot; has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones &quot;deserve&quot; to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Title Trouble ==<br /> <br /> Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it &quot;powerhouse&quot; '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Arcanine ==<br /> Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''Boy'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''wonder'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 600 stat point total a requirement? ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk<br /> ::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true &quot;Base&quot; stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> =={{p|Lucario}}==<br /> Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, <br /> two types, as well as a base stat total of 600. <br /> :::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. &lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;[[user:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;Cho&lt;/span&gt;]][[user talk:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;col&lt;/span&gt;]][[special:contributions/chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;ate&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Mgraw&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==<br /> Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Inbalance ==<br /> <br /> Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sub&gt; 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New table ==<br /> '''Here:'''<br /> {| align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;&quot;| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:149.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:248.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:373.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:376.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:445.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dark}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! 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colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:147.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:246.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:371.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:374.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:443.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |}<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Available only as their first form. ==<br /> <br /> The article states that &quot;Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum.&quot;<br /> <br /> However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 &quot;most&quot;, or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy? <br /> <br /> I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> :There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kingdra ==<br /> <br /> It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat total trivia ==<br /> <br /> On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.<br /> Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|&amp;#91;&amp;#91;Derian&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Question ==<br /> <br /> Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like &quot;at least 600&quot;? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==<br /> <br /> Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}<br /> <br /> :Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ash's Larvitar ==<br /> <br /> It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,&quot;Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family.&quot; or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::From my previous comment on the matter:<br /> ::::::''Its article is named as such'' &lt;small&gt;[ie. &quot;Ash's Larvitar&quot;]&lt;/small&gt; ''for the sake of simplicity''<br /> :::::We can't very well call the article &quot;the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him&quot; or something. :P &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there<br /> <br /> == Addition of Charizard ==<br /> I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#e072a9;&quot;&gt;ティナ&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kibago ==<br /> <br /> Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--&lt;small&gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Dratini==<br /> Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> ::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Wrong. Trivia must be &quot;on topic&quot;. You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross is used in Gen V ==<br /> <br /> Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> == Ononokus ==<br /> <br /> Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#C11B17&quot;&gt;でんのう&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;font color=&quot;#347C2C&quot;&gt;☢&lt;/font&gt; [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#151B8D&quot;&gt;'''Z'''えんし&lt;/font&gt;]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}<br /> <br /> == Two types really necessary? ==<br /> <br /> I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should &quot;define&quot; a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ulgamoth ==<br /> <br /> This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a &quot;legendary&quot; because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being &quot;strong&quot; has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes &quot;has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100&quot;. Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::In other words, think of it this way:<br /> <br /> ::::::-Non-legendary.<br /> ::::::-Evolves atleast once.<br /> ::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.<br /> ::::::-Dual typed.<br /> ::::::-Slow Experience group.<br /> <br /> ::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.<br /> <br /> :::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == METAGROSS ==<br /> <br /> In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Did anyone mention... ==<br /> that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.<br /> :It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> : : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]<br /> <br /> == Coincidences. ==<br /> <br /> Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C3C3C3&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#D8D8D8&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Slaking ==<br /> <br /> I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means &quot;resembling a legendary&quot;, and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are &quot;like legendaries&quot;, we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. &quot;The fandom&quot; is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean &quot;like legendary&quot;, it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). &quot;The fandom&quot; refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == So seriously, what's the definition? ==<br /> <br /> As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> : PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called &quot;Pikachu Clones&quot; back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as &quot;Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve.&quot; Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the &quot;mono-&quot; part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.<br /> :::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?<br /> :::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.<br /> :::::The &quot;three-stage evolutionary family&quot; thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying &quot;not legendary&quot;, but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of &quot;pseudolegendaries&quot;, so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.<br /> :::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)<br /> :::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say &quot;Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary&quot;... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of &quot;means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon&quot;), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.<br /> :::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::::It's part of the &quot;pattern&quot; that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> (unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==<br /> <br /> Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}<br /> :That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Something unique about Metagross ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability capitalization ==<br /> <br /> A user with permission could change &quot;ability&quot; to &quot;Ability&quot; in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Seriously? ==<br /> <br /> Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> :As the protection log notes: &quot;''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''&quot; - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==<br /> <br /> * &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch.&quot;<br /> <br /> Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor RFEs ==<br /> <br /> Playing the Grammar Nazi card....<br /> <br /> Under the Metagross section, there is this line:<br /> <br /> :&quot;This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon.&quot;<br /> <br /> The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.<br /> <br /> And under Garchomp's section:<br /> <br /> :&quot;It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,&quot;<br /> <br /> Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.<br /> <br /> --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Use by gym leaders ==<br /> <br /> Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Pages ==<br /> I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...<br /> Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're &quot;pseudo-legendary Pokémon&quot; up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to &quot;Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)&quot;. It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say &quot;X is a Y-type Eeveelution&quot;. What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross in Gen III ==<br /> <br /> I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <br /> :Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==<br /> <br /> enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Users ==<br /> <br /> Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&amp;Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the article. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra Description ==<br /> <br /> Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==<br /> <br /> You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Evolutions ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Counting error ==<br /> <br /> With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mistaken ==<br /> <br /> Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be &quot;mistaken&quot; for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == mainly shared weakness? ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}<br /> :Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, &quot;All but one&quot; is not notable trivia. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can be added to the &quot;Individual characteristics&quot; section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Information about Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :By the end of any given generation, all Pokemon (regardless of pseudo-legendary status) have appeared in the anime except Porygon2 and Porygon-Z, so I feel like saying that on this page is unnecessary altogether. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can any admin turn these sprites into artwork since the page is protected. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Admins, since we're in Generation VI, could you turn sprites into artwork so that is my commet above. And turn Goodra's Dream World artwork into a Sugimori artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks, one down, six to go, can you turn Dragonite, Tyraniter, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp and Hydreigon's sprites into artwork? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have any 4× weaknesses. ==<br /> <br /> This is false. With the introduction of Goodra, Metagross is no longer the only pseudo-legendary with 4x weaknesses. Goodra has only one type, and therefore can't have any 4x weakness. I would edit this myself, but I can't. [[User:Svolur|Svolur]] ([[User talk:Svolur|talk]]) 04:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error regarding Sliggoo ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first paired games of their generation.&quot; This is not true since in X/Y there are wild Sliggoo. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Due to having the same typing as Dragonite, Salamence differs itself by being entirely focused on attacking prowess. It's stats are high in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, while comparatively low in both Defense stats.&quot; Please correct that &quot;it's&quot; and ban whoever wrote it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Another typo on the page: &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot;. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 09:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == A few changes... ==<br /> <br /> :1. (3.2.8 Other) Dragonite and Tyranitar's Special Defenses of 100 pale in comparison to Goodra's 150.<br /> :2. (3.3 Users) Last I checked, Shauna is neither an Elite 4 member nor a Champion, and so should probably be included in the second list (which, by the way, already has more than three examples, with two of them being outside of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum).<br /> :3. (4 In the anime) &quot;newly introduced&quot; should be changed to &quot;newly-introduced&quot;. <br /> Thanks. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :On that last one — it's incorrect to use a hyphen after a -ly word, per AP style guidelines. I quote from the AP Stylebook 2012, page 301 of the punctuation guide, under the entry on hyphens: ''&quot;COMPOUND MODIFIERS: When a compound modifier — two or more words that express as single concept — precedes a noun, use hyphens to link all the words in the compound except the adverb very and all adverbs that end in -ly.&quot;'' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah! You learn something new every day. Also, a few more things:<br /> :::4. (2 Characteristics) That second paragraph needs rewriting; I propose: &quot;The base stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon have base stat totals of 300, while their first evolutions have base stat totals of 420, excluding Pupitar and Gabite, which have 410. In general, pseudo-legendary Pokémon have Attack as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon and Goodra, which have Special Attack and Special Defense as their highest stats, respectively.&quot;<br /> :::5. (3.2.1 Dragonite) The last sentence should be removed, what with the very affectionate, and might I add adorable, Goodra.<br /> :::6. (3.3 Users) It should be somehow mentioned that in Black and White 2's Challenge Mode, Caitlin's use of Metagross extends to her first battle.<br /> ::-- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Did 5 and 6. I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. 1 was dealt with ages ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goomy line's catch rate ==<br /> <br /> It was confirmed that the Goomy line's catch rate is 20, not 45, will admins add information about the catch rates because this line and the Beldum line do not have a catch rate of 45. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Oh sorry, we don't know the Goomy line's catch rate until the catch rates of Kalos Pokémon are from the official sources, my bad. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Spelling and the Goomy line==<br /> Because Legendary Pokémon are spelled as 'legendary', could someone change it to 'Legendary' according to a user's Pokémon Syntax? Also, the Goomy line are not next to the Legendary Pokémon and Sliggoo doesn't have a BST of 420, which instead had a BST of 452. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :I'm happy to leave &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; as that, since it's a fan term and doesn't necessarily have to fit the same capitalization standard as &quot;Legendary Pokémon&quot;. This is mainly because I don't feel like going through and doing all the relinking though—it would be way easier conceptually if it was written as &quot;pseudo-Legendary&quot;. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Additional fact ==<br /> <br /> Under the list of exceptions to the Elite Four and Champions being the only people to use pseudo-legendaries, can someone add that Roark uses a Tyranitar during the rematches at the Battleground in Platinum? [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :That whole exceptions section was meant to be for only the three Trainers in DPPt that used pseudo-legendaries, but it just kept building up with examples from other games. I've removed it, since it is no longer accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokédex placement ==<br /> <br /> &quot;With the exception of the Garchomp and Hydreigon evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective generations&quot;<br /> <br /> This line actually isn't correct anymore, the Goodra line is next to Karrablast and Quagsire in regional, with Klefki in national. And since it's only one 4/7 of the Pokémon, I don't think it's really notable anymore. -[[User:IVsaur|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightbrown&quot;&gt;EVs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;IVsaurs&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Correct. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This Page Should Be Deleted ==<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;Rolls Eyes* This is a wiki, and wikis deal in factual information, not user-created lists and categories... By this logic, every wiki for game that have mod support should have an individual page for every user-created mod. I don't see a legitimate reason as to why this page should exist, as it in no way fits in with the content template every page on Bulbapedia is based off of... [[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 21:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#What???|What???]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::This page desribes a clear pattern of Pokémon that Game Freak has put into the game. We just use he fan name to describe them, because there is no official one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Does three stage evolution really matters? ==<br /> <br /> I got a doubt, does three stage evolution really matters, because many pokemon like heracross has a base stat of 600 and is a dual Bug/Fighting type. Its signature move Megahorn is the most powerful bug type move, and it's movepool contains some powerful moves like Earthquack and Focuspunch with its base stat comes par with legendary pokemon and even has 4x damage on celebi. [[User:Tgage|Tgage]] ([[User talk:Tgage|talk]]) 12:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it does, it is a vital part of the definition. By the same logic, you could ask if the 600 base stat total really matters.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 13:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonite's height ==<br /> <br /> I saw that Tyranitar and Goodra are not the tallest non-Mega Evolved pseudo-legendary Pokémon, Dragonite is according to its height, could someone change it now? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Miss a trainer ==<br /> <br /> Colress had a Metagross in his final match in Plasma Frigate --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == salamence ==<br /> <br /> salamence is used by iris during rematches--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 20:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor fix - Bad wikilink on Garchomp ==<br /> <br /> Should instead link to the subheading which Garchomp is under; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences#Generation_IV_Pok.C3.A9mon instead of just a link to the page.{{unsigned|Pokepro97}}<br /> <br /> ==Edit request==<br /> In Metagross's section under individual characteristics, it says that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokemon to not be used by Lance, but this isn't the case since Goodra has been introduced (as far as I know). Could someone remove or edit that line? [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Averages ==<br /> <br /> As far as I'm concerned, the current base stat averages for this page are outdated. They do not take Goodra's stats into account, only averaging the Base stats of all pseudo-legendaries up to Hydreigon. From my calculations, the Base Stats averages (with Goodra's base stats into account) currently are an average HP stat of 93.71, an average Attack of 127.57, an average Defense of 95.71, an average Special Attack of 102.14, an average Special Defense of 99.29, and an average Speed of 84.43. If someone could update the Base Stat averages with these that would be neat. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|AmourShipper]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 03:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;A weaknesses&quot;...? ==<br /> <br /> In the Metagross subsection, one of the sentences says: &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have a weaknesses(Note the &quot;es&quot; at the end of &quot;Weakness&quot;) to Fairy-type moves.&quot;<br /> <br /> &quot;a weaknesses&quot; sounds incorrect, and it must be &quot;a weakness&quot;. Thanks! --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> Hydreigon is confirmed to have a double weakness to Fairy, unlike other psuedo-legendaries(Please note the Metagross is not weak to Fairy). --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Comparison ==<br /> <br /> Perhaps we could have a chart showing a comparison of their base stats like the Legendary pages and others have? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Guess no? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it's a decent idea, although it would require the creation of a new template. Currently we have {{template|fivepokemonstats}} and {{template|Groupstats/8}}, but nothing for 7. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, it'll be easy to make. 8 started as 7 and was moved and modified for 8 with Sylveon's release. I'll grab the coding from a previous revision and take care of it now. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, my memory is crap, not how it went at all. Still, looks like we did have [[Template:Groupstats/7]] at one time. Can we restore that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Oh, didn't even realize it used to be a thing. I should have, since I was involved in it, but oh well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Following the evolution of Ash's Sliggoo, the anime section is going to need updating. I'd do it myself but the page is protected. -'''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 18:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :[[File:132Ditto.png|50px]] --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Done. If you have any suggestions on better wording, let me know.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Not to be nitpicky, but I think the sentence at the beginning of the anime section also needs to have the part about Goodra removed from it. [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rotating pictures for &quot;In the anime&quot; section ==<br /> <br /> [[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Iris Dragonite|1=Dirk Tyranitar|2=Salamence anime|3=Rebecca Metagross|4=Cynthia Garchomp|5=Cameron Hydreigon|6=Ash Goodra|}}.png|thumb|right|200px|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Dragonite|1=Tyranitar|2=Salamence|3=Metagross|4=Garchomp|5=Hydreidon|6=Goodra|}} in the anime]] Can someone update the picture in the anime section so it would rotate between all of the Psudo-legendary Pokémon instead of only showing one of them, like so?<br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Rotating images are bad. Readers have no idea that the image rotates. Either stick them all in a gallery, or just pick one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> The base stat averages don't take into account Goodra's stats. The stat averages should be updated to:&lt;br&gt;<br /> HP: 93.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Attack: 124.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Defense: 95.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Atk: 102.14&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Def: 99.29&lt;br&gt;<br /> Speed: 84.43&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[User:Lillihaxo|Lillihaxo]] ([[User talk:Lillihaxo|talk]]) 08:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos Dex ==<br /> <br /> The Metagross line is the only one not in the Kalos Dex. [[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 23:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)SirOni<br /> <br /> == Edit request for definition of &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; ==<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage [[evolution]] line, [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]], and a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.<br /> <br /> Other variations of the definition omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.&quot; <br /> <br /> should become<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] that is not in the [[Undiscovered (Egg Group)|Undiscovered Egg Group]] and has a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. Currently, all pseudo-legendary Pokémon have exactly two [[evolution|pre-evolutions]] which can only evolve by leveling up past a certain [[level]] and [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]]. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.&quot;<br /> <br /> The BST of 600 matters because anything less would make it less &quot;legendary&quot;. Legendary Pokemon are set apart by their lack of evolutionary relatives, inability to breed, and high stats. As long as a Pokemon meets the latter requirement and not the former two, wouldn't it make sense for it to be a pseudo-legendary Pokemon?<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It's fine as it is.<br /> :No, it's not okay for it to only have &quot;high stats&quot;. Psuedo-legendaries were ''originally'' (strong) Pokemon who came between ''legitimate'' Legendary Pokemon in the Pokedex but were not Legendaries themselves. The definition of &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; is molded to conform to the strong pattern that those Pokemon showed: three stages, BST 600, slow experience.<br /> :If you want a broader definition, you need a ''different'' term. You simply can't just ignore &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot;'s history/baggage and change it completely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::So if they introduced a Pokemon that met my definition but not the one on the article, people wouldn't consider it pseudo-legendary, even if it just had a fluctuating growth rate instead of a slow one? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::It's not impossible that some day we could change our minds in some way. For now, there's no apparent reason for us to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::The definition was changed several times (removed the end-of-Pokedex requirement to include Garchomp, removed the dual type requirement to include Goodra), so if a Pokemon like the one I suggested were really introduced, wouldn't it be very likely that the definition will change again? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::So does that mean I can't edit the article until such a Pokemon (or several such Pokemon) is introduced? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That would be correct, because the current definition of pseudo-legendary has no reason to change right now. You are trying to change something to match your view, when the majority of the Pokémon fanbase would still be using the current definition. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 14:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Manga section ==<br /> <br /> A manga section for the pseudo-legendaries is missing. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :On another note, the Dragonite from the Pokémon Origins anime could go here too as a pseudo-legendary has appeared in that medium. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics: Others==<br /> <br /> I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydreigon are the only two pseudo legendaries with a unique type combination. Another thing to add to that is that they are both Dark-types.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting fact to add.<br /> '''All of the pseudo-legendary Pokemon appear towards the end of the regional Pokedexs.'''<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 14:49, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :False. Neither Garchomp nor Goodra do. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> My bad.[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Please add this useless bit of trivia. ==<br /> <br /> * All pseudo-legendary Pokémon introduced in a [[generation]] divisible by three (and only these pseudo-legendary Pokémon) cannot learn {{m|Surf}}.<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :This is way too specific and not notable in the slightest. --[[User:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#95EB5C&quot;&gt;Carmen&lt;small&gt;★&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FEBEE8&quot;&gt;(Talk |&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A6DAFC&quot;&gt;contribs)&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 20:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

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<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia fact */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==What???==<br /> What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :im not going to say its unnessecary, but &quot;Psuedo-legendary&quot; sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a &quot;Competitive Battling Project&quot; thing. I do believe I heard the term &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]<br /> <br /> ::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie<br /> <br /> :::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flygon? ==<br /> <br /> I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonair? ==<br /> <br /> CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Aggron ==<br /> <br /> What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0;&quot;&gt;'''K'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#50C878;&quot;&gt;'''P'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA6C9;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==<br /> <br /> Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-legendary --&gt; Powerhouse ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.<br /> <br /> Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.<br /> <br /> It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).<br /> <br /> ::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC) <br /> <br /> I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> absolutly, my old car was nicknamed &quot;the powerhouse&quot; but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, &quot;powerhouse&quot; is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics! <br /> <br /> ::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).<br /> <br /> ::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.<br /> <br /> ::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is the usage of &quot;legendary.&quot; There are Pokémon that are &quot;legendary&quot; which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon &quot;qualify&quot; has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones &quot;deserve&quot; to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Title Trouble ==<br /> <br /> Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it &quot;powerhouse&quot; '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Arcanine ==<br /> Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''Boy'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''wonder'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 600 stat point total a requirement? ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk<br /> ::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true &quot;Base&quot; stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> =={{p|Lucario}}==<br /> Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, <br /> two types, as well as a base stat total of 600. <br /> :::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. &lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;[[user:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;Cho&lt;/span&gt;]][[user talk:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;col&lt;/span&gt;]][[special:contributions/chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;ate&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Mgraw&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==<br /> Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Inbalance ==<br /> <br /> Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sub&gt; 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New table ==<br /> '''Here:'''<br /> {| align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;&quot;| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:149.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:248.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:373.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:376.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:445.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dark}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! 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However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum.&quot;<br /> <br /> However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 &quot;most&quot;, or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy? <br /> <br /> I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> :There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kingdra ==<br /> <br /> It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat total trivia ==<br /> <br /> On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.<br /> Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|&amp;#91;&amp;#91;Derian&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Question ==<br /> <br /> Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like &quot;at least 600&quot;? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==<br /> <br /> Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}<br /> <br /> :Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ash's Larvitar ==<br /> <br /> It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,&quot;Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family.&quot; or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::From my previous comment on the matter:<br /> ::::::''Its article is named as such'' &lt;small&gt;[ie. &quot;Ash's Larvitar&quot;]&lt;/small&gt; ''for the sake of simplicity''<br /> :::::We can't very well call the article &quot;the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him&quot; or something. :P &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there<br /> <br /> == Addition of Charizard ==<br /> I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#e072a9;&quot;&gt;ティナ&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kibago ==<br /> <br /> Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--&lt;small&gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Dratini==<br /> Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> ::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Wrong. Trivia must be &quot;on topic&quot;. You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross is used in Gen V ==<br /> <br /> Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> == Ononokus ==<br /> <br /> Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#C11B17&quot;&gt;でんのう&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;font color=&quot;#347C2C&quot;&gt;☢&lt;/font&gt; [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#151B8D&quot;&gt;'''Z'''えんし&lt;/font&gt;]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}<br /> <br /> == Two types really necessary? ==<br /> <br /> I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should &quot;define&quot; a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ulgamoth ==<br /> <br /> This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a &quot;legendary&quot; because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being &quot;strong&quot; has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes &quot;has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100&quot;. Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::In other words, think of it this way:<br /> <br /> ::::::-Non-legendary.<br /> ::::::-Evolves atleast once.<br /> ::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.<br /> ::::::-Dual typed.<br /> ::::::-Slow Experience group.<br /> <br /> ::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.<br /> <br /> :::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == METAGROSS ==<br /> <br /> In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Did anyone mention... ==<br /> that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.<br /> :It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> : : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]<br /> <br /> == Coincidences. ==<br /> <br /> Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C3C3C3&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#D8D8D8&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Slaking ==<br /> <br /> I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means &quot;resembling a legendary&quot;, and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are &quot;like legendaries&quot;, we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. &quot;The fandom&quot; is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean &quot;like legendary&quot;, it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). &quot;The fandom&quot; refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == So seriously, what's the definition? ==<br /> <br /> As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> : PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called &quot;Pikachu Clones&quot; back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as &quot;Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve.&quot; Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the &quot;mono-&quot; part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.<br /> :::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?<br /> :::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.<br /> :::::The &quot;three-stage evolutionary family&quot; thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying &quot;not legendary&quot;, but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of &quot;pseudolegendaries&quot;, so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.<br /> :::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)<br /> :::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say &quot;Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary&quot;... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of &quot;means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon&quot;), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.<br /> :::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::::It's part of the &quot;pattern&quot; that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> (unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==<br /> <br /> Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}<br /> :That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Something unique about Metagross ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability capitalization ==<br /> <br /> A user with permission could change &quot;ability&quot; to &quot;Ability&quot; in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Seriously? ==<br /> <br /> Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> :As the protection log notes: &quot;''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''&quot; - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==<br /> <br /> * &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch.&quot;<br /> <br /> Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor RFEs ==<br /> <br /> Playing the Grammar Nazi card....<br /> <br /> Under the Metagross section, there is this line:<br /> <br /> :&quot;This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon.&quot;<br /> <br /> The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.<br /> <br /> And under Garchomp's section:<br /> <br /> :&quot;It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,&quot;<br /> <br /> Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.<br /> <br /> --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Use by gym leaders ==<br /> <br /> Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Pages ==<br /> I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...<br /> Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're &quot;pseudo-legendary Pokémon&quot; up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to &quot;Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)&quot;. It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say &quot;X is a Y-type Eeveelution&quot;. What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross in Gen III ==<br /> <br /> I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <br /> :Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==<br /> <br /> enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Users ==<br /> <br /> Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&amp;Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the article. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra Description ==<br /> <br /> Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==<br /> <br /> You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Evolutions ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Counting error ==<br /> <br /> With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mistaken ==<br /> <br /> Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be &quot;mistaken&quot; for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == mainly shared weakness? ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}<br /> :Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, &quot;All but one&quot; is not notable trivia. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can be added to the &quot;Individual characteristics&quot; section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Information about Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :By the end of any given generation, all Pokemon (regardless of pseudo-legendary status) have appeared in the anime except Porygon2 and Porygon-Z, so I feel like saying that on this page is unnecessary altogether. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can any admin turn these sprites into artwork since the page is protected. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Admins, since we're in Generation VI, could you turn sprites into artwork so that is my commet above. And turn Goodra's Dream World artwork into a Sugimori artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks, one down, six to go, can you turn Dragonite, Tyraniter, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp and Hydreigon's sprites into artwork? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have any 4× weaknesses. ==<br /> <br /> This is false. With the introduction of Goodra, Metagross is no longer the only pseudo-legendary with 4x weaknesses. Goodra has only one type, and therefore can't have any 4x weakness. I would edit this myself, but I can't. [[User:Svolur|Svolur]] ([[User talk:Svolur|talk]]) 04:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error regarding Sliggoo ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first paired games of their generation.&quot; This is not true since in X/Y there are wild Sliggoo. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Due to having the same typing as Dragonite, Salamence differs itself by being entirely focused on attacking prowess. It's stats are high in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, while comparatively low in both Defense stats.&quot; Please correct that &quot;it's&quot; and ban whoever wrote it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Another typo on the page: &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot;. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 09:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == A few changes... ==<br /> <br /> :1. (3.2.8 Other) Dragonite and Tyranitar's Special Defenses of 100 pale in comparison to Goodra's 150.<br /> :2. (3.3 Users) Last I checked, Shauna is neither an Elite 4 member nor a Champion, and so should probably be included in the second list (which, by the way, already has more than three examples, with two of them being outside of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum).<br /> :3. (4 In the anime) &quot;newly introduced&quot; should be changed to &quot;newly-introduced&quot;. <br /> Thanks. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :On that last one — it's incorrect to use a hyphen after a -ly word, per AP style guidelines. I quote from the AP Stylebook 2012, page 301 of the punctuation guide, under the entry on hyphens: ''&quot;COMPOUND MODIFIERS: When a compound modifier — two or more words that express as single concept — precedes a noun, use hyphens to link all the words in the compound except the adverb very and all adverbs that end in -ly.&quot;'' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah! You learn something new every day. Also, a few more things:<br /> :::4. (2 Characteristics) That second paragraph needs rewriting; I propose: &quot;The base stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon have base stat totals of 300, while their first evolutions have base stat totals of 420, excluding Pupitar and Gabite, which have 410. In general, pseudo-legendary Pokémon have Attack as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon and Goodra, which have Special Attack and Special Defense as their highest stats, respectively.&quot;<br /> :::5. (3.2.1 Dragonite) The last sentence should be removed, what with the very affectionate, and might I add adorable, Goodra.<br /> :::6. (3.3 Users) It should be somehow mentioned that in Black and White 2's Challenge Mode, Caitlin's use of Metagross extends to her first battle.<br /> ::-- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Did 5 and 6. I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. 1 was dealt with ages ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goomy line's catch rate ==<br /> <br /> It was confirmed that the Goomy line's catch rate is 20, not 45, will admins add information about the catch rates because this line and the Beldum line do not have a catch rate of 45. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Oh sorry, we don't know the Goomy line's catch rate until the catch rates of Kalos Pokémon are from the official sources, my bad. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Spelling and the Goomy line==<br /> Because Legendary Pokémon are spelled as 'legendary', could someone change it to 'Legendary' according to a user's Pokémon Syntax? Also, the Goomy line are not next to the Legendary Pokémon and Sliggoo doesn't have a BST of 420, which instead had a BST of 452. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :I'm happy to leave &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; as that, since it's a fan term and doesn't necessarily have to fit the same capitalization standard as &quot;Legendary Pokémon&quot;. This is mainly because I don't feel like going through and doing all the relinking though—it would be way easier conceptually if it was written as &quot;pseudo-Legendary&quot;. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Additional fact ==<br /> <br /> Under the list of exceptions to the Elite Four and Champions being the only people to use pseudo-legendaries, can someone add that Roark uses a Tyranitar during the rematches at the Battleground in Platinum? [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :That whole exceptions section was meant to be for only the three Trainers in DPPt that used pseudo-legendaries, but it just kept building up with examples from other games. I've removed it, since it is no longer accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokédex placement ==<br /> <br /> &quot;With the exception of the Garchomp and Hydreigon evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective generations&quot;<br /> <br /> This line actually isn't correct anymore, the Goodra line is next to Karrablast and Quagsire in regional, with Klefki in national. And since it's only one 4/7 of the Pokémon, I don't think it's really notable anymore. -[[User:IVsaur|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightbrown&quot;&gt;EVs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;IVsaurs&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Correct. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This Page Should Be Deleted ==<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;Rolls Eyes* This is a wiki, and wikis deal in factual information, not user-created lists and categories... By this logic, every wiki for game that have mod support should have an individual page for every user-created mod. I don't see a legitimate reason as to why this page should exist, as it in no way fits in with the content template every page on Bulbapedia is based off of... [[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 21:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#What???|What???]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::This page desribes a clear pattern of Pokémon that Game Freak has put into the game. We just use he fan name to describe them, because there is no official one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Does three stage evolution really matters? ==<br /> <br /> I got a doubt, does three stage evolution really matters, because many pokemon like heracross has a base stat of 600 and is a dual Bug/Fighting type. Its signature move Megahorn is the most powerful bug type move, and it's movepool contains some powerful moves like Earthquack and Focuspunch with its base stat comes par with legendary pokemon and even has 4x damage on celebi. [[User:Tgage|Tgage]] ([[User talk:Tgage|talk]]) 12:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it does, it is a vital part of the definition. By the same logic, you could ask if the 600 base stat total really matters.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 13:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonite's height ==<br /> <br /> I saw that Tyranitar and Goodra are not the tallest non-Mega Evolved pseudo-legendary Pokémon, Dragonite is according to its height, could someone change it now? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Miss a trainer ==<br /> <br /> Colress had a Metagross in his final match in Plasma Frigate --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == salamence ==<br /> <br /> salamence is used by iris during rematches--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 20:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor fix - Bad wikilink on Garchomp ==<br /> <br /> Should instead link to the subheading which Garchomp is under; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences#Generation_IV_Pok.C3.A9mon instead of just a link to the page.{{unsigned|Pokepro97}}<br /> <br /> ==Edit request==<br /> In Metagross's section under individual characteristics, it says that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokemon to not be used by Lance, but this isn't the case since Goodra has been introduced (as far as I know). Could someone remove or edit that line? [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Averages ==<br /> <br /> As far as I'm concerned, the current base stat averages for this page are outdated. They do not take Goodra's stats into account, only averaging the Base stats of all pseudo-legendaries up to Hydreigon. From my calculations, the Base Stats averages (with Goodra's base stats into account) currently are an average HP stat of 93.71, an average Attack of 127.57, an average Defense of 95.71, an average Special Attack of 102.14, an average Special Defense of 99.29, and an average Speed of 84.43. If someone could update the Base Stat averages with these that would be neat. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|AmourShipper]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 03:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;A weaknesses&quot;...? ==<br /> <br /> In the Metagross subsection, one of the sentences says: &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have a weaknesses(Note the &quot;es&quot; at the end of &quot;Weakness&quot;) to Fairy-type moves.&quot;<br /> <br /> &quot;a weaknesses&quot; sounds incorrect, and it must be &quot;a weakness&quot;. Thanks! --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> Hydreigon is confirmed to have a double weakness to Fairy, unlike other psuedo-legendaries(Please note the Metagross is not weak to Fairy). --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Comparison ==<br /> <br /> Perhaps we could have a chart showing a comparison of their base stats like the Legendary pages and others have? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Guess no? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it's a decent idea, although it would require the creation of a new template. Currently we have {{template|fivepokemonstats}} and {{template|Groupstats/8}}, but nothing for 7. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, it'll be easy to make. 8 started as 7 and was moved and modified for 8 with Sylveon's release. I'll grab the coding from a previous revision and take care of it now. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, my memory is crap, not how it went at all. Still, looks like we did have [[Template:Groupstats/7]] at one time. Can we restore that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Oh, didn't even realize it used to be a thing. I should have, since I was involved in it, but oh well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Following the evolution of Ash's Sliggoo, the anime section is going to need updating. I'd do it myself but the page is protected. -'''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 18:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :[[File:132Ditto.png|50px]] --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Done. If you have any suggestions on better wording, let me know.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Not to be nitpicky, but I think the sentence at the beginning of the anime section also needs to have the part about Goodra removed from it. [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rotating pictures for &quot;In the anime&quot; section ==<br /> <br /> [[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Iris Dragonite|1=Dirk Tyranitar|2=Salamence anime|3=Rebecca Metagross|4=Cynthia Garchomp|5=Cameron Hydreigon|6=Ash Goodra|}}.png|thumb|right|200px|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Dragonite|1=Tyranitar|2=Salamence|3=Metagross|4=Garchomp|5=Hydreidon|6=Goodra|}} in the anime]] Can someone update the picture in the anime section so it would rotate between all of the Psudo-legendary Pokémon instead of only showing one of them, like so?<br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Rotating images are bad. Readers have no idea that the image rotates. Either stick them all in a gallery, or just pick one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> The base stat averages don't take into account Goodra's stats. The stat averages should be updated to:&lt;br&gt;<br /> HP: 93.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Attack: 124.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Defense: 95.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Atk: 102.14&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Def: 99.29&lt;br&gt;<br /> Speed: 84.43&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[User:Lillihaxo|Lillihaxo]] ([[User talk:Lillihaxo|talk]]) 08:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos Dex ==<br /> <br /> The Metagross line is the only one not in the Kalos Dex. [[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 23:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)SirOni<br /> <br /> == Edit request for definition of &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; ==<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage [[evolution]] line, [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]], and a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.<br /> <br /> Other variations of the definition omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.&quot; <br /> <br /> should become<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] that is not in the [[Undiscovered (Egg Group)|Undiscovered Egg Group]] and has a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. Currently, all pseudo-legendary Pokémon have exactly two [[evolution|pre-evolutions]] which can only evolve by leveling up past a certain [[level]] and [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]]. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.&quot;<br /> <br /> The BST of 600 matters because anything less would make it less &quot;legendary&quot;. Legendary Pokemon are set apart by their lack of evolutionary relatives, inability to breed, and high stats. As long as a Pokemon meets the latter requirement and not the former two, wouldn't it make sense for it to be a pseudo-legendary Pokemon?<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It's fine as it is.<br /> :No, it's not okay for it to only have &quot;high stats&quot;. Psuedo-legendaries were ''originally'' (strong) Pokemon who came between ''legitimate'' Legendary Pokemon in the Pokedex but were not Legendaries themselves. The definition of &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; is molded to conform to the strong pattern that those Pokemon showed: three stages, BST 600, slow experience.<br /> :If you want a broader definition, you need a ''different'' term. You simply can't just ignore &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot;'s history/baggage and change it completely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::So if they introduced a Pokemon that met my definition but not the one on the article, people wouldn't consider it pseudo-legendary, even if it just had a fluctuating growth rate instead of a slow one? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::It's not impossible that some day we could change our minds in some way. For now, there's no apparent reason for us to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::The definition was changed several times (removed the end-of-Pokedex requirement to include Garchomp, removed the dual type requirement to include Goodra), so if a Pokemon like the one I suggested were really introduced, wouldn't it be very likely that the definition will change again? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::So does that mean I can't edit the article until such a Pokemon (or several such Pokemon) is introduced? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That would be correct, because the current definition of pseudo-legendary has no reason to change right now. You are trying to change something to match your view, when the majority of the Pokémon fanbase would still be using the current definition. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 14:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Manga section ==<br /> <br /> A manga section for the pseudo-legendaries is missing. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :On another note, the Dragonite from the Pokémon Origins anime could go here too as a pseudo-legendary has appeared in that medium. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics: Others==<br /> <br /> I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydreigon are the only two pseudo legendaries with a unique type combination. Another thing to add to that is that they are both Dark-types.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting fact to add.<br /> '''All of the pseudo-legendary Pokemon appear towards the end of the regional Pokedexs.'''<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 14:49, 28 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

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<p>Chrisbulb: /* Individual Characteristics */</p> <hr /> <div>==What???==<br /> What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :im not going to say its unnessecary, but &quot;Psuedo-legendary&quot; sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a &quot;Competitive Battling Project&quot; thing. I do believe I heard the term &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]<br /> <br /> ::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie<br /> <br /> :::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flygon? ==<br /> <br /> I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonair? ==<br /> <br /> CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Aggron ==<br /> <br /> What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0;&quot;&gt;'''K'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#50C878;&quot;&gt;'''P'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA6C9;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==<br /> <br /> Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-legendary --&gt; Powerhouse ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.<br /> <br /> Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.<br /> <br /> It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).<br /> <br /> ::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC) <br /> <br /> I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> absolutly, my old car was nicknamed &quot;the powerhouse&quot; but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, &quot;powerhouse&quot; is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics! <br /> <br /> ::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).<br /> <br /> ::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.<br /> <br /> ::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is the usage of &quot;legendary.&quot; There are Pokémon that are &quot;legendary&quot; which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon &quot;qualify&quot; has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones &quot;deserve&quot; to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Title Trouble ==<br /> <br /> Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it &quot;powerhouse&quot; '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Arcanine ==<br /> Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''Boy'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''wonder'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 600 stat point total a requirement? ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk<br /> ::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true &quot;Base&quot; stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> =={{p|Lucario}}==<br /> Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, <br /> two types, as well as a base stat total of 600. <br /> :::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. &lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;[[user:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;Cho&lt;/span&gt;]][[user talk:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;col&lt;/span&gt;]][[special:contributions/chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;ate&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Mgraw&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==<br /> Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Inbalance ==<br /> <br /> Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sub&gt; 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New table ==<br /> '''Here:'''<br /> {| align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;&quot;| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:149.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:248.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:373.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:376.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:445.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dark}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:148.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:247.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:372.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:375.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:444.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:147.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:246.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:371.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:374.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:443.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |}<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Available only as their first form. ==<br /> <br /> The article states that &quot;Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum.&quot;<br /> <br /> However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 &quot;most&quot;, or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy? <br /> <br /> I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> :There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kingdra ==<br /> <br /> It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat total trivia ==<br /> <br /> On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.<br /> Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|&amp;#91;&amp;#91;Derian&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Question ==<br /> <br /> Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like &quot;at least 600&quot;? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==<br /> <br /> Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}<br /> <br /> :Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ash's Larvitar ==<br /> <br /> It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,&quot;Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family.&quot; or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::From my previous comment on the matter:<br /> ::::::''Its article is named as such'' &lt;small&gt;[ie. &quot;Ash's Larvitar&quot;]&lt;/small&gt; ''for the sake of simplicity''<br /> :::::We can't very well call the article &quot;the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him&quot; or something. :P &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there<br /> <br /> == Addition of Charizard ==<br /> I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#e072a9;&quot;&gt;ティナ&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kibago ==<br /> <br /> Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--&lt;small&gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Dratini==<br /> Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> ::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Wrong. Trivia must be &quot;on topic&quot;. You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross is used in Gen V ==<br /> <br /> Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> == Ononokus ==<br /> <br /> Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#C11B17&quot;&gt;でんのう&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;font color=&quot;#347C2C&quot;&gt;☢&lt;/font&gt; [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#151B8D&quot;&gt;'''Z'''えんし&lt;/font&gt;]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}<br /> <br /> == Two types really necessary? ==<br /> <br /> I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should &quot;define&quot; a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ulgamoth ==<br /> <br /> This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a &quot;legendary&quot; because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being &quot;strong&quot; has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes &quot;has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100&quot;. Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::In other words, think of it this way:<br /> <br /> ::::::-Non-legendary.<br /> ::::::-Evolves atleast once.<br /> ::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.<br /> ::::::-Dual typed.<br /> ::::::-Slow Experience group.<br /> <br /> ::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.<br /> <br /> :::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == METAGROSS ==<br /> <br /> In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Did anyone mention... ==<br /> that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.<br /> :It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> : : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]<br /> <br /> == Coincidences. ==<br /> <br /> Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C3C3C3&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#D8D8D8&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Slaking ==<br /> <br /> I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means &quot;resembling a legendary&quot;, and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are &quot;like legendaries&quot;, we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. &quot;The fandom&quot; is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean &quot;like legendary&quot;, it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). &quot;The fandom&quot; refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == So seriously, what's the definition? ==<br /> <br /> As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> : PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called &quot;Pikachu Clones&quot; back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as &quot;Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve.&quot; Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the &quot;mono-&quot; part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.<br /> :::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?<br /> :::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.<br /> :::::The &quot;three-stage evolutionary family&quot; thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying &quot;not legendary&quot;, but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of &quot;pseudolegendaries&quot;, so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.<br /> :::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)<br /> :::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say &quot;Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary&quot;... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of &quot;means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon&quot;), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.<br /> :::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::::It's part of the &quot;pattern&quot; that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> (unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==<br /> <br /> Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}<br /> :That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Something unique about Metagross ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability capitalization ==<br /> <br /> A user with permission could change &quot;ability&quot; to &quot;Ability&quot; in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Seriously? ==<br /> <br /> Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> :As the protection log notes: &quot;''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''&quot; - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==<br /> <br /> * &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch.&quot;<br /> <br /> Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor RFEs ==<br /> <br /> Playing the Grammar Nazi card....<br /> <br /> Under the Metagross section, there is this line:<br /> <br /> :&quot;This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon.&quot;<br /> <br /> The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.<br /> <br /> And under Garchomp's section:<br /> <br /> :&quot;It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,&quot;<br /> <br /> Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.<br /> <br /> --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Use by gym leaders ==<br /> <br /> Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Pages ==<br /> I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...<br /> Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're &quot;pseudo-legendary Pokémon&quot; up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to &quot;Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)&quot;. It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say &quot;X is a Y-type Eeveelution&quot;. What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross in Gen III ==<br /> <br /> I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <br /> :Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==<br /> <br /> enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Users ==<br /> <br /> Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&amp;Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the article. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra Description ==<br /> <br /> Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==<br /> <br /> You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Evolutions ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Counting error ==<br /> <br /> With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mistaken ==<br /> <br /> Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be &quot;mistaken&quot; for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == mainly shared weakness? ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}<br /> :Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, &quot;All but one&quot; is not notable trivia. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can be added to the &quot;Individual characteristics&quot; section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Information about Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :By the end of any given generation, all Pokemon (regardless of pseudo-legendary status) have appeared in the anime except Porygon2 and Porygon-Z, so I feel like saying that on this page is unnecessary altogether. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can any admin turn these sprites into artwork since the page is protected. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Admins, since we're in Generation VI, could you turn sprites into artwork so that is my commet above. And turn Goodra's Dream World artwork into a Sugimori artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks, one down, six to go, can you turn Dragonite, Tyraniter, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp and Hydreigon's sprites into artwork? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have any 4× weaknesses. ==<br /> <br /> This is false. With the introduction of Goodra, Metagross is no longer the only pseudo-legendary with 4x weaknesses. Goodra has only one type, and therefore can't have any 4x weakness. I would edit this myself, but I can't. [[User:Svolur|Svolur]] ([[User talk:Svolur|talk]]) 04:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error regarding Sliggoo ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first paired games of their generation.&quot; This is not true since in X/Y there are wild Sliggoo. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Due to having the same typing as Dragonite, Salamence differs itself by being entirely focused on attacking prowess. It's stats are high in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, while comparatively low in both Defense stats.&quot; Please correct that &quot;it's&quot; and ban whoever wrote it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Another typo on the page: &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot;. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 09:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == A few changes... ==<br /> <br /> :1. (3.2.8 Other) Dragonite and Tyranitar's Special Defenses of 100 pale in comparison to Goodra's 150.<br /> :2. (3.3 Users) Last I checked, Shauna is neither an Elite 4 member nor a Champion, and so should probably be included in the second list (which, by the way, already has more than three examples, with two of them being outside of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum).<br /> :3. (4 In the anime) &quot;newly introduced&quot; should be changed to &quot;newly-introduced&quot;. <br /> Thanks. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :On that last one — it's incorrect to use a hyphen after a -ly word, per AP style guidelines. I quote from the AP Stylebook 2012, page 301 of the punctuation guide, under the entry on hyphens: ''&quot;COMPOUND MODIFIERS: When a compound modifier — two or more words that express as single concept — precedes a noun, use hyphens to link all the words in the compound except the adverb very and all adverbs that end in -ly.&quot;'' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah! You learn something new every day. Also, a few more things:<br /> :::4. (2 Characteristics) That second paragraph needs rewriting; I propose: &quot;The base stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon have base stat totals of 300, while their first evolutions have base stat totals of 420, excluding Pupitar and Gabite, which have 410. In general, pseudo-legendary Pokémon have Attack as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon and Goodra, which have Special Attack and Special Defense as their highest stats, respectively.&quot;<br /> :::5. (3.2.1 Dragonite) The last sentence should be removed, what with the very affectionate, and might I add adorable, Goodra.<br /> :::6. (3.3 Users) It should be somehow mentioned that in Black and White 2's Challenge Mode, Caitlin's use of Metagross extends to her first battle.<br /> ::-- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Did 5 and 6. I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. 1 was dealt with ages ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goomy line's catch rate ==<br /> <br /> It was confirmed that the Goomy line's catch rate is 20, not 45, will admins add information about the catch rates because this line and the Beldum line do not have a catch rate of 45. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Oh sorry, we don't know the Goomy line's catch rate until the catch rates of Kalos Pokémon are from the official sources, my bad. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Spelling and the Goomy line==<br /> Because Legendary Pokémon are spelled as 'legendary', could someone change it to 'Legendary' according to a user's Pokémon Syntax? Also, the Goomy line are not next to the Legendary Pokémon and Sliggoo doesn't have a BST of 420, which instead had a BST of 452. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :I'm happy to leave &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; as that, since it's a fan term and doesn't necessarily have to fit the same capitalization standard as &quot;Legendary Pokémon&quot;. This is mainly because I don't feel like going through and doing all the relinking though—it would be way easier conceptually if it was written as &quot;pseudo-Legendary&quot;. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Additional fact ==<br /> <br /> Under the list of exceptions to the Elite Four and Champions being the only people to use pseudo-legendaries, can someone add that Roark uses a Tyranitar during the rematches at the Battleground in Platinum? [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :That whole exceptions section was meant to be for only the three Trainers in DPPt that used pseudo-legendaries, but it just kept building up with examples from other games. I've removed it, since it is no longer accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokédex placement ==<br /> <br /> &quot;With the exception of the Garchomp and Hydreigon evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective generations&quot;<br /> <br /> This line actually isn't correct anymore, the Goodra line is next to Karrablast and Quagsire in regional, with Klefki in national. And since it's only one 4/7 of the Pokémon, I don't think it's really notable anymore. -[[User:IVsaur|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightbrown&quot;&gt;EVs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;IVsaurs&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Correct. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This Page Should Be Deleted ==<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;Rolls Eyes* This is a wiki, and wikis deal in factual information, not user-created lists and categories... By this logic, every wiki for game that have mod support should have an individual page for every user-created mod. I don't see a legitimate reason as to why this page should exist, as it in no way fits in with the content template every page on Bulbapedia is based off of... [[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 21:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#What???|What???]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::This page desribes a clear pattern of Pokémon that Game Freak has put into the game. We just use he fan name to describe them, because there is no official one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Does three stage evolution really matters? ==<br /> <br /> I got a doubt, does three stage evolution really matters, because many pokemon like heracross has a base stat of 600 and is a dual Bug/Fighting type. Its signature move Megahorn is the most powerful bug type move, and it's movepool contains some powerful moves like Earthquack and Focuspunch with its base stat comes par with legendary pokemon and even has 4x damage on celebi. [[User:Tgage|Tgage]] ([[User talk:Tgage|talk]]) 12:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it does, it is a vital part of the definition. By the same logic, you could ask if the 600 base stat total really matters.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 13:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonite's height ==<br /> <br /> I saw that Tyranitar and Goodra are not the tallest non-Mega Evolved pseudo-legendary Pokémon, Dragonite is according to its height, could someone change it now? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Miss a trainer ==<br /> <br /> Colress had a Metagross in his final match in Plasma Frigate --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == salamence ==<br /> <br /> salamence is used by iris during rematches--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 20:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor fix - Bad wikilink on Garchomp ==<br /> <br /> Should instead link to the subheading which Garchomp is under; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences#Generation_IV_Pok.C3.A9mon instead of just a link to the page.{{unsigned|Pokepro97}}<br /> <br /> ==Edit request==<br /> In Metagross's section under individual characteristics, it says that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokemon to not be used by Lance, but this isn't the case since Goodra has been introduced (as far as I know). Could someone remove or edit that line? [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Averages ==<br /> <br /> As far as I'm concerned, the current base stat averages for this page are outdated. They do not take Goodra's stats into account, only averaging the Base stats of all pseudo-legendaries up to Hydreigon. From my calculations, the Base Stats averages (with Goodra's base stats into account) currently are an average HP stat of 93.71, an average Attack of 127.57, an average Defense of 95.71, an average Special Attack of 102.14, an average Special Defense of 99.29, and an average Speed of 84.43. If someone could update the Base Stat averages with these that would be neat. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|AmourShipper]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 03:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;A weaknesses&quot;...? ==<br /> <br /> In the Metagross subsection, one of the sentences says: &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have a weaknesses(Note the &quot;es&quot; at the end of &quot;Weakness&quot;) to Fairy-type moves.&quot;<br /> <br /> &quot;a weaknesses&quot; sounds incorrect, and it must be &quot;a weakness&quot;. Thanks! --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> Hydreigon is confirmed to have a double weakness to Fairy, unlike other psuedo-legendaries(Please note the Metagross is not weak to Fairy). --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Comparison ==<br /> <br /> Perhaps we could have a chart showing a comparison of their base stats like the Legendary pages and others have? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Guess no? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it's a decent idea, although it would require the creation of a new template. Currently we have {{template|fivepokemonstats}} and {{template|Groupstats/8}}, but nothing for 7. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, it'll be easy to make. 8 started as 7 and was moved and modified for 8 with Sylveon's release. I'll grab the coding from a previous revision and take care of it now. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, my memory is crap, not how it went at all. Still, looks like we did have [[Template:Groupstats/7]] at one time. Can we restore that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Oh, didn't even realize it used to be a thing. I should have, since I was involved in it, but oh well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Following the evolution of Ash's Sliggoo, the anime section is going to need updating. I'd do it myself but the page is protected. -'''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 18:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :[[File:132Ditto.png|50px]] --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Done. If you have any suggestions on better wording, let me know.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Not to be nitpicky, but I think the sentence at the beginning of the anime section also needs to have the part about Goodra removed from it. [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rotating pictures for &quot;In the anime&quot; section ==<br /> <br /> [[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Iris Dragonite|1=Dirk Tyranitar|2=Salamence anime|3=Rebecca Metagross|4=Cynthia Garchomp|5=Cameron Hydreigon|6=Ash Goodra|}}.png|thumb|right|200px|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Dragonite|1=Tyranitar|2=Salamence|3=Metagross|4=Garchomp|5=Hydreidon|6=Goodra|}} in the anime]] Can someone update the picture in the anime section so it would rotate between all of the Psudo-legendary Pokémon instead of only showing one of them, like so?<br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Rotating images are bad. Readers have no idea that the image rotates. Either stick them all in a gallery, or just pick one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> The base stat averages don't take into account Goodra's stats. The stat averages should be updated to:&lt;br&gt;<br /> HP: 93.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Attack: 124.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Defense: 95.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Atk: 102.14&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Def: 99.29&lt;br&gt;<br /> Speed: 84.43&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[User:Lillihaxo|Lillihaxo]] ([[User talk:Lillihaxo|talk]]) 08:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos Dex ==<br /> <br /> The Metagross line is the only one not in the Kalos Dex. [[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 23:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)SirOni<br /> <br /> == Edit request for definition of &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; ==<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage [[evolution]] line, [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]], and a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.<br /> <br /> Other variations of the definition omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.&quot; <br /> <br /> should become<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] that is not in the [[Undiscovered (Egg Group)|Undiscovered Egg Group]] and has a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. Currently, all pseudo-legendary Pokémon have exactly two [[evolution|pre-evolutions]] which can only evolve by leveling up past a certain [[level]] and [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]]. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.&quot;<br /> <br /> The BST of 600 matters because anything less would make it less &quot;legendary&quot;. Legendary Pokemon are set apart by their lack of evolutionary relatives, inability to breed, and high stats. As long as a Pokemon meets the latter requirement and not the former two, wouldn't it make sense for it to be a pseudo-legendary Pokemon?<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It's fine as it is.<br /> :No, it's not okay for it to only have &quot;high stats&quot;. Psuedo-legendaries were ''originally'' (strong) Pokemon who came between ''legitimate'' Legendary Pokemon in the Pokedex but were not Legendaries themselves. The definition of &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; is molded to conform to the strong pattern that those Pokemon showed: three stages, BST 600, slow experience.<br /> :If you want a broader definition, you need a ''different'' term. You simply can't just ignore &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot;'s history/baggage and change it completely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::So if they introduced a Pokemon that met my definition but not the one on the article, people wouldn't consider it pseudo-legendary, even if it just had a fluctuating growth rate instead of a slow one? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::It's not impossible that some day we could change our minds in some way. For now, there's no apparent reason for us to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::The definition was changed several times (removed the end-of-Pokedex requirement to include Garchomp, removed the dual type requirement to include Goodra), so if a Pokemon like the one I suggested were really introduced, wouldn't it be very likely that the definition will change again? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::So does that mean I can't edit the article until such a Pokemon (or several such Pokemon) is introduced? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That would be correct, because the current definition of pseudo-legendary has no reason to change right now. You are trying to change something to match your view, when the majority of the Pokémon fanbase would still be using the current definition. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 14:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Manga section ==<br /> <br /> A manga section for the pseudo-legendaries is missing. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :On another note, the Dragonite from the Pokémon Origins anime could go here too as a pseudo-legendary has appeared in that medium. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics: Others==<br /> <br /> I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydreigon are the only two pseudo legendaries with a unique type combination. Another thing to add to that is that they are both Dark-types.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_1&diff=2450216 2016-05-28T02:13:41Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Individual Characteristics */</p> <hr /> <div>==What???==<br /> What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :im not going to say its unnessecary, but &quot;Psuedo-legendary&quot; sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a &quot;Competitive Battling Project&quot; thing. I do believe I heard the term &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]<br /> <br /> ::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie<br /> <br /> :::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flygon? ==<br /> <br /> I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonair? ==<br /> <br /> CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Aggron ==<br /> <br /> What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0;&quot;&gt;'''K'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#50C878;&quot;&gt;'''P'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA6C9;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==<br /> <br /> Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-legendary --&gt; Powerhouse ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.<br /> <br /> Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.<br /> <br /> It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).<br /> <br /> ::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC) <br /> <br /> I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> absolutly, my old car was nicknamed &quot;the powerhouse&quot; but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, &quot;powerhouse&quot; is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics! <br /> <br /> ::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).<br /> <br /> ::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.<br /> <br /> ::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is the usage of &quot;legendary.&quot; There are Pokémon that are &quot;legendary&quot; which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon &quot;qualify&quot; has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones &quot;deserve&quot; to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Title Trouble ==<br /> <br /> Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it &quot;powerhouse&quot; '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Arcanine ==<br /> Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''Boy'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''wonder'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 600 stat point total a requirement? ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk<br /> ::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true &quot;Base&quot; stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> =={{p|Lucario}}==<br /> Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, <br /> two types, as well as a base stat total of 600. <br /> :::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. &lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;[[user:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;Cho&lt;/span&gt;]][[user talk:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;col&lt;/span&gt;]][[special:contributions/chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;ate&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Mgraw&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==<br /> Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Inbalance ==<br /> <br /> Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sub&gt; 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New table ==<br /> '''Here:'''<br /> {| align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;&quot;| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:149.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:248.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:373.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:376.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:445.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dark}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:148.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:247.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:372.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:375.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:444.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:147.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:246.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:371.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:374.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:443.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |}<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Available only as their first form. ==<br /> <br /> The article states that &quot;Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum.&quot;<br /> <br /> However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 &quot;most&quot;, or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy? <br /> <br /> I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> :There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kingdra ==<br /> <br /> It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat total trivia ==<br /> <br /> On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.<br /> Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|&amp;#91;&amp;#91;Derian&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Question ==<br /> <br /> Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like &quot;at least 600&quot;? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==<br /> <br /> Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}<br /> <br /> :Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ash's Larvitar ==<br /> <br /> It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,&quot;Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family.&quot; or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::From my previous comment on the matter:<br /> ::::::''Its article is named as such'' &lt;small&gt;[ie. &quot;Ash's Larvitar&quot;]&lt;/small&gt; ''for the sake of simplicity''<br /> :::::We can't very well call the article &quot;the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him&quot; or something. :P &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there<br /> <br /> == Addition of Charizard ==<br /> I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#e072a9;&quot;&gt;ティナ&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kibago ==<br /> <br /> Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--&lt;small&gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Dratini==<br /> Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> ::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Wrong. Trivia must be &quot;on topic&quot;. You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross is used in Gen V ==<br /> <br /> Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> == Ononokus ==<br /> <br /> Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#C11B17&quot;&gt;でんのう&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;font color=&quot;#347C2C&quot;&gt;☢&lt;/font&gt; [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#151B8D&quot;&gt;'''Z'''えんし&lt;/font&gt;]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}<br /> <br /> == Two types really necessary? ==<br /> <br /> I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should &quot;define&quot; a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ulgamoth ==<br /> <br /> This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a &quot;legendary&quot; because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being &quot;strong&quot; has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes &quot;has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100&quot;. Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::In other words, think of it this way:<br /> <br /> ::::::-Non-legendary.<br /> ::::::-Evolves atleast once.<br /> ::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.<br /> ::::::-Dual typed.<br /> ::::::-Slow Experience group.<br /> <br /> ::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.<br /> <br /> :::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == METAGROSS ==<br /> <br /> In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Did anyone mention... ==<br /> that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.<br /> :It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> : : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]<br /> <br /> == Coincidences. ==<br /> <br /> Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C3C3C3&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#D8D8D8&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Slaking ==<br /> <br /> I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means &quot;resembling a legendary&quot;, and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are &quot;like legendaries&quot;, we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. &quot;The fandom&quot; is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean &quot;like legendary&quot;, it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). &quot;The fandom&quot; refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == So seriously, what's the definition? ==<br /> <br /> As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> : PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called &quot;Pikachu Clones&quot; back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as &quot;Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve.&quot; Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the &quot;mono-&quot; part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.<br /> :::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?<br /> :::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.<br /> :::::The &quot;three-stage evolutionary family&quot; thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying &quot;not legendary&quot;, but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of &quot;pseudolegendaries&quot;, so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.<br /> :::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)<br /> :::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say &quot;Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary&quot;... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of &quot;means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon&quot;), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.<br /> :::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::::It's part of the &quot;pattern&quot; that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> (unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==<br /> <br /> Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}<br /> :That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Something unique about Metagross ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability capitalization ==<br /> <br /> A user with permission could change &quot;ability&quot; to &quot;Ability&quot; in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Seriously? ==<br /> <br /> Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> :As the protection log notes: &quot;''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''&quot; - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==<br /> <br /> * &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch.&quot;<br /> <br /> Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor RFEs ==<br /> <br /> Playing the Grammar Nazi card....<br /> <br /> Under the Metagross section, there is this line:<br /> <br /> :&quot;This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon.&quot;<br /> <br /> The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.<br /> <br /> And under Garchomp's section:<br /> <br /> :&quot;It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,&quot;<br /> <br /> Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.<br /> <br /> --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Use by gym leaders ==<br /> <br /> Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Pages ==<br /> I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...<br /> Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're &quot;pseudo-legendary Pokémon&quot; up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to &quot;Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)&quot;. It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say &quot;X is a Y-type Eeveelution&quot;. What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross in Gen III ==<br /> <br /> I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <br /> :Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==<br /> <br /> enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Users ==<br /> <br /> Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&amp;Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the article. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra Description ==<br /> <br /> Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==<br /> <br /> You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Evolutions ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Counting error ==<br /> <br /> With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mistaken ==<br /> <br /> Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be &quot;mistaken&quot; for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == mainly shared weakness? ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}<br /> :Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, &quot;All but one&quot; is not notable trivia. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can be added to the &quot;Individual characteristics&quot; section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Information about Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :By the end of any given generation, all Pokemon (regardless of pseudo-legendary status) have appeared in the anime except Porygon2 and Porygon-Z, so I feel like saying that on this page is unnecessary altogether. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can any admin turn these sprites into artwork since the page is protected. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Admins, since we're in Generation VI, could you turn sprites into artwork so that is my commet above. And turn Goodra's Dream World artwork into a Sugimori artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks, one down, six to go, can you turn Dragonite, Tyraniter, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp and Hydreigon's sprites into artwork? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have any 4× weaknesses. ==<br /> <br /> This is false. With the introduction of Goodra, Metagross is no longer the only pseudo-legendary with 4x weaknesses. Goodra has only one type, and therefore can't have any 4x weakness. I would edit this myself, but I can't. [[User:Svolur|Svolur]] ([[User talk:Svolur|talk]]) 04:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error regarding Sliggoo ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first paired games of their generation.&quot; This is not true since in X/Y there are wild Sliggoo. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Due to having the same typing as Dragonite, Salamence differs itself by being entirely focused on attacking prowess. It's stats are high in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, while comparatively low in both Defense stats.&quot; Please correct that &quot;it's&quot; and ban whoever wrote it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Another typo on the page: &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot;. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 09:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == A few changes... ==<br /> <br /> :1. (3.2.8 Other) Dragonite and Tyranitar's Special Defenses of 100 pale in comparison to Goodra's 150.<br /> :2. (3.3 Users) Last I checked, Shauna is neither an Elite 4 member nor a Champion, and so should probably be included in the second list (which, by the way, already has more than three examples, with two of them being outside of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum).<br /> :3. (4 In the anime) &quot;newly introduced&quot; should be changed to &quot;newly-introduced&quot;. <br /> Thanks. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :On that last one — it's incorrect to use a hyphen after a -ly word, per AP style guidelines. I quote from the AP Stylebook 2012, page 301 of the punctuation guide, under the entry on hyphens: ''&quot;COMPOUND MODIFIERS: When a compound modifier — two or more words that express as single concept — precedes a noun, use hyphens to link all the words in the compound except the adverb very and all adverbs that end in -ly.&quot;'' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah! You learn something new every day. Also, a few more things:<br /> :::4. (2 Characteristics) That second paragraph needs rewriting; I propose: &quot;The base stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon have base stat totals of 300, while their first evolutions have base stat totals of 420, excluding Pupitar and Gabite, which have 410. In general, pseudo-legendary Pokémon have Attack as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon and Goodra, which have Special Attack and Special Defense as their highest stats, respectively.&quot;<br /> :::5. (3.2.1 Dragonite) The last sentence should be removed, what with the very affectionate, and might I add adorable, Goodra.<br /> :::6. (3.3 Users) It should be somehow mentioned that in Black and White 2's Challenge Mode, Caitlin's use of Metagross extends to her first battle.<br /> ::-- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Did 5 and 6. I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. 1 was dealt with ages ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goomy line's catch rate ==<br /> <br /> It was confirmed that the Goomy line's catch rate is 20, not 45, will admins add information about the catch rates because this line and the Beldum line do not have a catch rate of 45. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Oh sorry, we don't know the Goomy line's catch rate until the catch rates of Kalos Pokémon are from the official sources, my bad. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Spelling and the Goomy line==<br /> Because Legendary Pokémon are spelled as 'legendary', could someone change it to 'Legendary' according to a user's Pokémon Syntax? Also, the Goomy line are not next to the Legendary Pokémon and Sliggoo doesn't have a BST of 420, which instead had a BST of 452. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :I'm happy to leave &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; as that, since it's a fan term and doesn't necessarily have to fit the same capitalization standard as &quot;Legendary Pokémon&quot;. This is mainly because I don't feel like going through and doing all the relinking though—it would be way easier conceptually if it was written as &quot;pseudo-Legendary&quot;. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Additional fact ==<br /> <br /> Under the list of exceptions to the Elite Four and Champions being the only people to use pseudo-legendaries, can someone add that Roark uses a Tyranitar during the rematches at the Battleground in Platinum? [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :That whole exceptions section was meant to be for only the three Trainers in DPPt that used pseudo-legendaries, but it just kept building up with examples from other games. I've removed it, since it is no longer accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokédex placement ==<br /> <br /> &quot;With the exception of the Garchomp and Hydreigon evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective generations&quot;<br /> <br /> This line actually isn't correct anymore, the Goodra line is next to Karrablast and Quagsire in regional, with Klefki in national. And since it's only one 4/7 of the Pokémon, I don't think it's really notable anymore. -[[User:IVsaur|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightbrown&quot;&gt;EVs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;IVsaurs&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Correct. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This Page Should Be Deleted ==<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;Rolls Eyes* This is a wiki, and wikis deal in factual information, not user-created lists and categories... By this logic, every wiki for game that have mod support should have an individual page for every user-created mod. I don't see a legitimate reason as to why this page should exist, as it in no way fits in with the content template every page on Bulbapedia is based off of... [[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 21:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#What???|What???]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::This page desribes a clear pattern of Pokémon that Game Freak has put into the game. We just use he fan name to describe them, because there is no official one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Does three stage evolution really matters? ==<br /> <br /> I got a doubt, does three stage evolution really matters, because many pokemon like heracross has a base stat of 600 and is a dual Bug/Fighting type. Its signature move Megahorn is the most powerful bug type move, and it's movepool contains some powerful moves like Earthquack and Focuspunch with its base stat comes par with legendary pokemon and even has 4x damage on celebi. [[User:Tgage|Tgage]] ([[User talk:Tgage|talk]]) 12:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it does, it is a vital part of the definition. By the same logic, you could ask if the 600 base stat total really matters.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 13:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonite's height ==<br /> <br /> I saw that Tyranitar and Goodra are not the tallest non-Mega Evolved pseudo-legendary Pokémon, Dragonite is according to its height, could someone change it now? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Miss a trainer ==<br /> <br /> Colress had a Metagross in his final match in Plasma Frigate --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == salamence ==<br /> <br /> salamence is used by iris during rematches--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 20:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor fix - Bad wikilink on Garchomp ==<br /> <br /> Should instead link to the subheading which Garchomp is under; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences#Generation_IV_Pok.C3.A9mon instead of just a link to the page.{{unsigned|Pokepro97}}<br /> <br /> ==Edit request==<br /> In Metagross's section under individual characteristics, it says that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokemon to not be used by Lance, but this isn't the case since Goodra has been introduced (as far as I know). Could someone remove or edit that line? [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Averages ==<br /> <br /> As far as I'm concerned, the current base stat averages for this page are outdated. They do not take Goodra's stats into account, only averaging the Base stats of all pseudo-legendaries up to Hydreigon. From my calculations, the Base Stats averages (with Goodra's base stats into account) currently are an average HP stat of 93.71, an average Attack of 127.57, an average Defense of 95.71, an average Special Attack of 102.14, an average Special Defense of 99.29, and an average Speed of 84.43. If someone could update the Base Stat averages with these that would be neat. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|AmourShipper]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 03:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;A weaknesses&quot;...? ==<br /> <br /> In the Metagross subsection, one of the sentences says: &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have a weaknesses(Note the &quot;es&quot; at the end of &quot;Weakness&quot;) to Fairy-type moves.&quot;<br /> <br /> &quot;a weaknesses&quot; sounds incorrect, and it must be &quot;a weakness&quot;. Thanks! --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> Hydreigon is confirmed to have a double weakness to Fairy, unlike other psuedo-legendaries(Please note the Metagross is not weak to Fairy). --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Comparison ==<br /> <br /> Perhaps we could have a chart showing a comparison of their base stats like the Legendary pages and others have? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Guess no? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it's a decent idea, although it would require the creation of a new template. Currently we have {{template|fivepokemonstats}} and {{template|Groupstats/8}}, but nothing for 7. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, it'll be easy to make. 8 started as 7 and was moved and modified for 8 with Sylveon's release. I'll grab the coding from a previous revision and take care of it now. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, my memory is crap, not how it went at all. Still, looks like we did have [[Template:Groupstats/7]] at one time. Can we restore that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Oh, didn't even realize it used to be a thing. I should have, since I was involved in it, but oh well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Following the evolution of Ash's Sliggoo, the anime section is going to need updating. I'd do it myself but the page is protected. -'''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 18:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :[[File:132Ditto.png|50px]] --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Done. If you have any suggestions on better wording, let me know.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Not to be nitpicky, but I think the sentence at the beginning of the anime section also needs to have the part about Goodra removed from it. [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rotating pictures for &quot;In the anime&quot; section ==<br /> <br /> [[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Iris Dragonite|1=Dirk Tyranitar|2=Salamence anime|3=Rebecca Metagross|4=Cynthia Garchomp|5=Cameron Hydreigon|6=Ash Goodra|}}.png|thumb|right|200px|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Dragonite|1=Tyranitar|2=Salamence|3=Metagross|4=Garchomp|5=Hydreidon|6=Goodra|}} in the anime]] Can someone update the picture in the anime section so it would rotate between all of the Psudo-legendary Pokémon instead of only showing one of them, like so?<br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Rotating images are bad. Readers have no idea that the image rotates. Either stick them all in a gallery, or just pick one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> The base stat averages don't take into account Goodra's stats. The stat averages should be updated to:&lt;br&gt;<br /> HP: 93.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Attack: 124.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Defense: 95.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Atk: 102.14&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Def: 99.29&lt;br&gt;<br /> Speed: 84.43&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[User:Lillihaxo|Lillihaxo]] ([[User talk:Lillihaxo|talk]]) 08:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos Dex ==<br /> <br /> The Metagross line is the only one not in the Kalos Dex. [[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 23:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)SirOni<br /> <br /> == Edit request for definition of &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; ==<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage [[evolution]] line, [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]], and a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.<br /> <br /> Other variations of the definition omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.&quot; <br /> <br /> should become<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] that is not in the [[Undiscovered (Egg Group)|Undiscovered Egg Group]] and has a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. Currently, all pseudo-legendary Pokémon have exactly two [[evolution|pre-evolutions]] which can only evolve by leveling up past a certain [[level]] and [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]]. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.&quot;<br /> <br /> The BST of 600 matters because anything less would make it less &quot;legendary&quot;. Legendary Pokemon are set apart by their lack of evolutionary relatives, inability to breed, and high stats. As long as a Pokemon meets the latter requirement and not the former two, wouldn't it make sense for it to be a pseudo-legendary Pokemon?<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It's fine as it is.<br /> :No, it's not okay for it to only have &quot;high stats&quot;. Psuedo-legendaries were ''originally'' (strong) Pokemon who came between ''legitimate'' Legendary Pokemon in the Pokedex but were not Legendaries themselves. The definition of &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; is molded to conform to the strong pattern that those Pokemon showed: three stages, BST 600, slow experience.<br /> :If you want a broader definition, you need a ''different'' term. You simply can't just ignore &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot;'s history/baggage and change it completely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::So if they introduced a Pokemon that met my definition but not the one on the article, people wouldn't consider it pseudo-legendary, even if it just had a fluctuating growth rate instead of a slow one? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::It's not impossible that some day we could change our minds in some way. For now, there's no apparent reason for us to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::The definition was changed several times (removed the end-of-Pokedex requirement to include Garchomp, removed the dual type requirement to include Goodra), so if a Pokemon like the one I suggested were really introduced, wouldn't it be very likely that the definition will change again? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::So does that mean I can't edit the article until such a Pokemon (or several such Pokemon) is introduced? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That would be correct, because the current definition of pseudo-legendary has no reason to change right now. You are trying to change something to match your view, when the majority of the Pokémon fanbase would still be using the current definition. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 14:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Manga section ==<br /> <br /> A manga section for the pseudo-legendaries is missing. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :On another note, the Dragonite from the Pokémon Origins anime could go here too as a pseudo-legendary has appeared in that medium. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics ==<br /> <br /> I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydreigon are the only two pseudo legendaries with a unique type combination. Another thing to add to that is that they are both Dark-types.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pseudo-legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_1&diff=2450215 2016-05-28T02:12:56Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Individual Characteristics */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==What???==<br /> What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :im not going to say its unnessecary, but &quot;Psuedo-legendary&quot; sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a &quot;Competitive Battling Project&quot; thing. I do believe I heard the term &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]<br /> <br /> ::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie<br /> <br /> :::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flygon? ==<br /> <br /> I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonair? ==<br /> <br /> CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Aggron ==<br /> <br /> What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0;&quot;&gt;'''K'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#50C878;&quot;&gt;'''P'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA6C9;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==<br /> <br /> Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-legendary --&gt; Powerhouse ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.<br /> <br /> Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.<br /> <br /> It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).<br /> <br /> ::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC) <br /> <br /> I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> absolutly, my old car was nicknamed &quot;the powerhouse&quot; but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, &quot;powerhouse&quot; is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics! <br /> <br /> ::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).<br /> <br /> ::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.<br /> <br /> ::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is the usage of &quot;legendary.&quot; There are Pokémon that are &quot;legendary&quot; which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon &quot;qualify&quot; has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones &quot;deserve&quot; to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Title Trouble ==<br /> <br /> Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it &quot;powerhouse&quot; '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Arcanine ==<br /> Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''Boy'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''wonder'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 600 stat point total a requirement? ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk<br /> ::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true &quot;Base&quot; stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> =={{p|Lucario}}==<br /> Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, <br /> two types, as well as a base stat total of 600. <br /> :::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. &lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;[[user:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;Cho&lt;/span&gt;]][[user talk:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;col&lt;/span&gt;]][[special:contributions/chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;ate&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Mgraw&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==<br /> Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Inbalance ==<br /> <br /> Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sub&gt; 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New table ==<br /> '''Here:'''<br /> {| align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;&quot;| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:149.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:248.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:373.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:376.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:445.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dark}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:148.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dragonair|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:247.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Pupitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:372.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Shelgon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:375.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Metang|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:444.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gabite|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;10&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color|272727|Evolves from}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:147.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Dratini|{{kanto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:246.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Larvitar|{{johto color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:371.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Bagon|{{hoenn color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:374.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Beldum|{{colo color dark}}}}<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:443.png]]&lt;br&gt;{{pcolor|Gible|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px;&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; colspan=&quot;2&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |}<br /> &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Available only as their first form. ==<br /> <br /> The article states that &quot;Most pseudo-legendaries are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form. However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum.&quot;<br /> <br /> However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 &quot;most&quot;, or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy? <br /> <br /> I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> :There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kingdra ==<br /> <br /> It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat total trivia ==<br /> <br /> On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.<br /> Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|&amp;#91;&amp;#91;Derian&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Question ==<br /> <br /> Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like &quot;at least 600&quot;? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==<br /> <br /> Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}<br /> <br /> :Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ash's Larvitar ==<br /> <br /> It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,&quot;Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family.&quot; or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::From my previous comment on the matter:<br /> ::::::''Its article is named as such'' &lt;small&gt;[ie. &quot;Ash's Larvitar&quot;]&lt;/small&gt; ''for the sake of simplicity''<br /> :::::We can't very well call the article &quot;the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him&quot; or something. :P &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there<br /> <br /> == Addition of Charizard ==<br /> I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#e072a9;&quot;&gt;ティナ&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kibago ==<br /> <br /> Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--&lt;small&gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Dratini==<br /> Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> ::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Wrong. Trivia must be &quot;on topic&quot;. You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross is used in Gen V ==<br /> <br /> Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> == Ononokus ==<br /> <br /> Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#C11B17&quot;&gt;でんのう&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;font color=&quot;#347C2C&quot;&gt;☢&lt;/font&gt; [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#151B8D&quot;&gt;'''Z'''えんし&lt;/font&gt;]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}<br /> <br /> == Two types really necessary? ==<br /> <br /> I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should &quot;define&quot; a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ulgamoth ==<br /> <br /> This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a &quot;legendary&quot; because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being &quot;strong&quot; has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes &quot;has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100&quot;. Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::In other words, think of it this way:<br /> <br /> ::::::-Non-legendary.<br /> ::::::-Evolves atleast once.<br /> ::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.<br /> ::::::-Dual typed.<br /> ::::::-Slow Experience group.<br /> <br /> ::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.<br /> <br /> :::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == METAGROSS ==<br /> <br /> In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Did anyone mention... ==<br /> that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.<br /> :It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> : : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]<br /> <br /> == Coincidences. ==<br /> <br /> Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C3C3C3&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#D8D8D8&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Slaking ==<br /> <br /> I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means &quot;resembling a legendary&quot;, and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are &quot;like legendaries&quot;, we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. &quot;The fandom&quot; is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean &quot;like legendary&quot;, it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). &quot;The fandom&quot; refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == So seriously, what's the definition? ==<br /> <br /> As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> : PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called &quot;Pikachu Clones&quot; back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as &quot;Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve.&quot; Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the &quot;mono-&quot; part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.<br /> :::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?<br /> :::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.<br /> :::::The &quot;three-stage evolutionary family&quot; thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying &quot;not legendary&quot;, but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of &quot;pseudolegendaries&quot;, so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.<br /> :::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)<br /> :::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say &quot;Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary&quot;... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of &quot;means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon&quot;), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.<br /> :::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::::It's part of the &quot;pattern&quot; that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> (unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==<br /> <br /> Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}<br /> :That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Something unique about Metagross ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability capitalization ==<br /> <br /> A user with permission could change &quot;ability&quot; to &quot;Ability&quot; in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Seriously? ==<br /> <br /> Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> :As the protection log notes: &quot;''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''&quot; - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==<br /> <br /> * &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch.&quot;<br /> <br /> Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor RFEs ==<br /> <br /> Playing the Grammar Nazi card....<br /> <br /> Under the Metagross section, there is this line:<br /> <br /> :&quot;This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon.&quot;<br /> <br /> The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.<br /> <br /> And under Garchomp's section:<br /> <br /> :&quot;It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,&quot;<br /> <br /> Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.<br /> <br /> --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Use by gym leaders ==<br /> <br /> Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Pages ==<br /> I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...<br /> Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're &quot;pseudo-legendary Pokémon&quot; up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to &quot;Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)&quot;. It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say &quot;X is a Y-type Eeveelution&quot;. What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross in Gen III ==<br /> <br /> I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <br /> :Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==<br /> <br /> enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Users ==<br /> <br /> Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&amp;Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the article. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra Description ==<br /> <br /> Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==<br /> <br /> You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Evolutions ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Counting error ==<br /> <br /> With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mistaken ==<br /> <br /> Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be &quot;mistaken&quot; for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == mainly shared weakness? ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}<br /> :Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, &quot;All but one&quot; is not notable trivia. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can be added to the &quot;Individual characteristics&quot; section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Information about Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :By the end of any given generation, all Pokemon (regardless of pseudo-legendary status) have appeared in the anime except Porygon2 and Porygon-Z, so I feel like saying that on this page is unnecessary altogether. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can any admin turn these sprites into artwork since the page is protected. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Admins, since we're in Generation VI, could you turn sprites into artwork so that is my commet above. And turn Goodra's Dream World artwork into a Sugimori artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks, one down, six to go, can you turn Dragonite, Tyraniter, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp and Hydreigon's sprites into artwork? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have any 4× weaknesses. ==<br /> <br /> This is false. With the introduction of Goodra, Metagross is no longer the only pseudo-legendary with 4x weaknesses. Goodra has only one type, and therefore can't have any 4x weakness. I would edit this myself, but I can't. [[User:Svolur|Svolur]] ([[User talk:Svolur|talk]]) 04:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error regarding Sliggoo ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first paired games of their generation.&quot; This is not true since in X/Y there are wild Sliggoo. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Due to having the same typing as Dragonite, Salamence differs itself by being entirely focused on attacking prowess. It's stats are high in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, while comparatively low in both Defense stats.&quot; Please correct that &quot;it's&quot; and ban whoever wrote it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Another typo on the page: &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot;. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 09:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == A few changes... ==<br /> <br /> :1. (3.2.8 Other) Dragonite and Tyranitar's Special Defenses of 100 pale in comparison to Goodra's 150.<br /> :2. (3.3 Users) Last I checked, Shauna is neither an Elite 4 member nor a Champion, and so should probably be included in the second list (which, by the way, already has more than three examples, with two of them being outside of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum).<br /> :3. (4 In the anime) &quot;newly introduced&quot; should be changed to &quot;newly-introduced&quot;. <br /> Thanks. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :On that last one — it's incorrect to use a hyphen after a -ly word, per AP style guidelines. I quote from the AP Stylebook 2012, page 301 of the punctuation guide, under the entry on hyphens: ''&quot;COMPOUND MODIFIERS: When a compound modifier — two or more words that express as single concept — precedes a noun, use hyphens to link all the words in the compound except the adverb very and all adverbs that end in -ly.&quot;'' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah! You learn something new every day. Also, a few more things:<br /> :::4. (2 Characteristics) That second paragraph needs rewriting; I propose: &quot;The base stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon have base stat totals of 300, while their first evolutions have base stat totals of 420, excluding Pupitar and Gabite, which have 410. In general, pseudo-legendary Pokémon have Attack as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon and Goodra, which have Special Attack and Special Defense as their highest stats, respectively.&quot;<br /> :::5. (3.2.1 Dragonite) The last sentence should be removed, what with the very affectionate, and might I add adorable, Goodra.<br /> :::6. (3.3 Users) It should be somehow mentioned that in Black and White 2's Challenge Mode, Caitlin's use of Metagross extends to her first battle.<br /> ::-- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Did 5 and 6. I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. 1 was dealt with ages ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goomy line's catch rate ==<br /> <br /> It was confirmed that the Goomy line's catch rate is 20, not 45, will admins add information about the catch rates because this line and the Beldum line do not have a catch rate of 45. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Oh sorry, we don't know the Goomy line's catch rate until the catch rates of Kalos Pokémon are from the official sources, my bad. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Spelling and the Goomy line==<br /> Because Legendary Pokémon are spelled as 'legendary', could someone change it to 'Legendary' according to a user's Pokémon Syntax? Also, the Goomy line are not next to the Legendary Pokémon and Sliggoo doesn't have a BST of 420, which instead had a BST of 452. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :I'm happy to leave &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; as that, since it's a fan term and doesn't necessarily have to fit the same capitalization standard as &quot;Legendary Pokémon&quot;. This is mainly because I don't feel like going through and doing all the relinking though—it would be way easier conceptually if it was written as &quot;pseudo-Legendary&quot;. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Additional fact ==<br /> <br /> Under the list of exceptions to the Elite Four and Champions being the only people to use pseudo-legendaries, can someone add that Roark uses a Tyranitar during the rematches at the Battleground in Platinum? [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :That whole exceptions section was meant to be for only the three Trainers in DPPt that used pseudo-legendaries, but it just kept building up with examples from other games. I've removed it, since it is no longer accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokédex placement ==<br /> <br /> &quot;With the exception of the Garchomp and Hydreigon evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective generations&quot;<br /> <br /> This line actually isn't correct anymore, the Goodra line is next to Karrablast and Quagsire in regional, with Klefki in national. And since it's only one 4/7 of the Pokémon, I don't think it's really notable anymore. -[[User:IVsaur|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightbrown&quot;&gt;EVs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;IVsaurs&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Correct. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This Page Should Be Deleted ==<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;Rolls Eyes* This is a wiki, and wikis deal in factual information, not user-created lists and categories... By this logic, every wiki for game that have mod support should have an individual page for every user-created mod. I don't see a legitimate reason as to why this page should exist, as it in no way fits in with the content template every page on Bulbapedia is based off of... [[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 21:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#What???|What???]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::This page desribes a clear pattern of Pokémon that Game Freak has put into the game. We just use he fan name to describe them, because there is no official one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Does three stage evolution really matters? ==<br /> <br /> I got a doubt, does three stage evolution really matters, because many pokemon like heracross has a base stat of 600 and is a dual Bug/Fighting type. Its signature move Megahorn is the most powerful bug type move, and it's movepool contains some powerful moves like Earthquack and Focuspunch with its base stat comes par with legendary pokemon and even has 4x damage on celebi. [[User:Tgage|Tgage]] ([[User talk:Tgage|talk]]) 12:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it does, it is a vital part of the definition. By the same logic, you could ask if the 600 base stat total really matters.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 13:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonite's height ==<br /> <br /> I saw that Tyranitar and Goodra are not the tallest non-Mega Evolved pseudo-legendary Pokémon, Dragonite is according to its height, could someone change it now? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Miss a trainer ==<br /> <br /> Colress had a Metagross in his final match in Plasma Frigate --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == salamence ==<br /> <br /> salamence is used by iris during rematches--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 20:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor fix - Bad wikilink on Garchomp ==<br /> <br /> Should instead link to the subheading which Garchomp is under; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences#Generation_IV_Pok.C3.A9mon instead of just a link to the page.{{unsigned|Pokepro97}}<br /> <br /> ==Edit request==<br /> In Metagross's section under individual characteristics, it says that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokemon to not be used by Lance, but this isn't the case since Goodra has been introduced (as far as I know). Could someone remove or edit that line? [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Averages ==<br /> <br /> As far as I'm concerned, the current base stat averages for this page are outdated. They do not take Goodra's stats into account, only averaging the Base stats of all pseudo-legendaries up to Hydreigon. From my calculations, the Base Stats averages (with Goodra's base stats into account) currently are an average HP stat of 93.71, an average Attack of 127.57, an average Defense of 95.71, an average Special Attack of 102.14, an average Special Defense of 99.29, and an average Speed of 84.43. If someone could update the Base Stat averages with these that would be neat. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|AmourShipper]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 03:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;A weaknesses&quot;...? ==<br /> <br /> In the Metagross subsection, one of the sentences says: &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have a weaknesses(Note the &quot;es&quot; at the end of &quot;Weakness&quot;) to Fairy-type moves.&quot;<br /> <br /> &quot;a weaknesses&quot; sounds incorrect, and it must be &quot;a weakness&quot;. Thanks! --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> Hydreigon is confirmed to have a double weakness to Fairy, unlike other psuedo-legendaries(Please note the Metagross is not weak to Fairy). --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Comparison ==<br /> <br /> Perhaps we could have a chart showing a comparison of their base stats like the Legendary pages and others have? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Guess no? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it's a decent idea, although it would require the creation of a new template. Currently we have {{template|fivepokemonstats}} and {{template|Groupstats/8}}, but nothing for 7. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, it'll be easy to make. 8 started as 7 and was moved and modified for 8 with Sylveon's release. I'll grab the coding from a previous revision and take care of it now. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, my memory is crap, not how it went at all. Still, looks like we did have [[Template:Groupstats/7]] at one time. Can we restore that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Oh, didn't even realize it used to be a thing. I should have, since I was involved in it, but oh well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Following the evolution of Ash's Sliggoo, the anime section is going to need updating. I'd do it myself but the page is protected. -'''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 18:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :[[File:132Ditto.png|50px]] --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Done. If you have any suggestions on better wording, let me know.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Not to be nitpicky, but I think the sentence at the beginning of the anime section also needs to have the part about Goodra removed from it. [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rotating pictures for &quot;In the anime&quot; section ==<br /> <br /> [[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Iris Dragonite|1=Dirk Tyranitar|2=Salamence anime|3=Rebecca Metagross|4=Cynthia Garchomp|5=Cameron Hydreigon|6=Ash Goodra|}}.png|thumb|right|200px|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Dragonite|1=Tyranitar|2=Salamence|3=Metagross|4=Garchomp|5=Hydreidon|6=Goodra|}} in the anime]] Can someone update the picture in the anime section so it would rotate between all of the Psudo-legendary Pokémon instead of only showing one of them, like so?<br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Rotating images are bad. Readers have no idea that the image rotates. Either stick them all in a gallery, or just pick one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> The base stat averages don't take into account Goodra's stats. The stat averages should be updated to:&lt;br&gt;<br /> HP: 93.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Attack: 124.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Defense: 95.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Atk: 102.14&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Def: 99.29&lt;br&gt;<br /> Speed: 84.43&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[User:Lillihaxo|Lillihaxo]] ([[User talk:Lillihaxo|talk]]) 08:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos Dex ==<br /> <br /> The Metagross line is the only one not in the Kalos Dex. [[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 23:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)SirOni<br /> <br /> == Edit request for definition of &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; ==<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage [[evolution]] line, [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]], and a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.<br /> <br /> Other variations of the definition omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.&quot; <br /> <br /> should become<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] that is not in the [[Undiscovered (Egg Group)|Undiscovered Egg Group]] and has a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. Currently, all pseudo-legendary Pokémon have exactly two [[evolution|pre-evolutions]] which can only evolve by leveling up past a certain [[level]] and [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]]. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.&quot;<br /> <br /> The BST of 600 matters because anything less would make it less &quot;legendary&quot;. Legendary Pokemon are set apart by their lack of evolutionary relatives, inability to breed, and high stats. As long as a Pokemon meets the latter requirement and not the former two, wouldn't it make sense for it to be a pseudo-legendary Pokemon?<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It's fine as it is.<br /> :No, it's not okay for it to only have &quot;high stats&quot;. Psuedo-legendaries were ''originally'' (strong) Pokemon who came between ''legitimate'' Legendary Pokemon in the Pokedex but were not Legendaries themselves. The definition of &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; is molded to conform to the strong pattern that those Pokemon showed: three stages, BST 600, slow experience.<br /> :If you want a broader definition, you need a ''different'' term. You simply can't just ignore &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot;'s history/baggage and change it completely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::So if they introduced a Pokemon that met my definition but not the one on the article, people wouldn't consider it pseudo-legendary, even if it just had a fluctuating growth rate instead of a slow one? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::It's not impossible that some day we could change our minds in some way. For now, there's no apparent reason for us to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::The definition was changed several times (removed the end-of-Pokedex requirement to include Garchomp, removed the dual type requirement to include Goodra), so if a Pokemon like the one I suggested were really introduced, wouldn't it be very likely that the definition will change again? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::So does that mean I can't edit the article until such a Pokemon (or several such Pokemon) is introduced? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That would be correct, because the current definition of pseudo-legendary has no reason to change right now. You are trying to change something to match your view, when the majority of the Pokémon fanbase would still be using the current definition. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 14:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Manga section ==<br /> <br /> A manga section for the pseudo-legendaries is missing. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :On another note, the Dragonite from the Pokémon Origins anime could go here too as a pseudo-legendary has appeared in that medium. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics ==<br /> <br /> I like how it says that Hydreigon and Tyranitar have a unique type combination of all the pseudo legendaries. Another interesting fact to add is that they are both Dark-types.<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics ==<br /> <br /> I like how it says that Tyranitar and Hydreigon are the only two pseudo legendaries with a unique type combination. Another thing to add to that is that they are both Dark-types.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

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<p>Chrisbulb: /* Individual Characteristics */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==What???==<br /> What??? Do we seriously need this??? --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]'''{{Ani|473}} 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :im not going to say its unnessecary, but &quot;Psuedo-legendary&quot; sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :I say reworked[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAGNEDETH&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;TA]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Riddles|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;RID]][[User:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;NE]][[User:MAGNEDETH/do over|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DO]][[User:MAGNEDETH/Pokemon teams|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;PT]]''' 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::::What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F05030;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;P&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;k&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;e'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;m&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;a&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;i&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;a&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;c'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;1&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5218FA;&quot;&gt;'''''0'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Fanfic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3B444B;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;2&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00;&quot;&gt;'''''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF2400;&quot;&gt;♪&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Picto|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF7F;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::::Seems to me that this would an article if where was a &quot;Competitive Battling Project&quot; thing. I do believe I heard the term &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; at least once in some places such as Smogon... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]]<br /> <br /> ::::::::I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie<br /> <br /> :::::::::They are all generally recognised as a set of unique pokemon with a few exceptions to each. (e.g. Garchomp's national pokedex number). However, the fan-term 'pseudo-legendary' in itself only actually refers to their final stages. (Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp). Isn't this a bit inaccurate? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Well in the anime, Dratini was specifically called a legendary pokemon in [[EP035|Legend of Dratini]] [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flygon? ==<br /> <br /> I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm not too sure either. o__O; [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonair? ==<br /> <br /> CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Agreed. [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Aggron ==<br /> <br /> What about Aggron? [[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::may i ask what UU is? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-made[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::True.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Wait a minute, you can catch Dragonair in the wild, so how is Lairon against the rules? [[Image:491.png|45px 45px]][[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0;&quot;&gt;'''K'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#50C878;&quot;&gt;'''P'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFA6C9;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::Because Aggron's base stats don't total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 15:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The true defintion of pseudo-legendary is a bst of 600 and a three-stage evolutionary line. Things like Dragonair and gabite being caught in the wild are merely trivial. As is the fact they all have one immunity etc. Aggron, Flygon and Kingdra are NOT pseudo-legendaries and never will be. P-Ls do not have to be dragon-type or dragonoid. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Real definition for psuedo-legendary ==<br /> <br /> Isn't it a BST of 600? [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-legendary --&gt; Powerhouse ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done '''wrong'''; fanon terms are ''necessarily'' known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.<br /> <br /> Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the [[Legendary]] page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are ''distinct'' in their categorization from any other Pokémon ({{p|Flygon}}, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on {{p|Slaking}}). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Walrein}} and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because {{p|Swampert}} and {{p|Infernape}} clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.<br /> <br /> It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. &lt;span style=&quot;background: #000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;S&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;h&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;i&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;n&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #808080&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;N&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;o&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;c&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;t&lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;o&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;w&lt;sub&gt;&lt;big&gt;l&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; 13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::You can see my comments on the article's name further below. Now, the explanation for my excluding Flygon should be quite obvious from the pieces of trivia; Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp have more in common than what you listed in your definition, and in fact, they have more in common than just my addition to that definition (a total base stats of 600). Flygon does not share that common denominator; what it does share with the aforementioned five is also shared by ''at the very least'' Walrein and Aggron, who are part of a three-stage line, have two types, require nearly as much experience to reach their form, and have an even higher total of base stats (530). If the only reason for which you included Flygon but excluded those two is that you thought only Flygon was available strictly in its first form, then you thought wrong: In Generation III Sealeo and Walrein are also not available in the wild; in Generation IV both Vibrava and Sealeo are available (incidentally, Lairon is not).<br /> <br /> ::But all of that is irrelevant, since neither Flygon nor Walrein (nor Aggron, for that matter) has enough in common with the powerhouses/pseudo-legendaries so as to be added to the group. It is enough to require a total base stats of 600 to limit the group to the five relevant ones (a respectable addition in and of itself), but again, their common denominator is even greater than that. Look at the trivia and see it for yourself. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC) <br /> <br /> I agree with Shiny, Pseudo-Legendary makes more sense. I.E. My Snorlax is a powerhouse, but it isn't a pseudo-legendary. My Flygon is not my powerhouse, yet it is a pseudo-legendary. Catch my drift? [[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Psudo legendary should be used. But the only pokemon that should meet this criteria are those 3 stage evos with a base stat of 600. Slaking is questionable, but I would say no to it, as well as flygon. [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'm with {{u|Unown Lord}}. Take it or leave it. -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::i agree with Placebo, though i think Slaking might be in. but not Flygon. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 03:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Midnight Celtic makes a good point, powerhouse can mean ANY strong Pokémon, where as Psuedo-legendary makes a clear point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Incorrect. It depends on the definition, not the connotation that goes along with the given word(s). -[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What's the point in a defenition if it doesn't explain clearly the subject? [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> absolutly, my old car was nicknamed &quot;the powerhouse&quot; but it was definatly not a pokemon! that being said, &quot;powerhouse&quot; is a general term, it sounds more like a metagame term than a true definition. i could load a powerful pokemon with powerful attacks, and ive got a powerhouse, but a psuedo-legendary means its special in some way, and what you are trying to appeal here is to somone whos never jheard the term before, and they will almost understand what psuedo-legendary just by the sound, where as a powerhouse requires an explanation. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I agree, powerhouse is too broad a term for these Pokémon. Pseudo-legendary fits the bill better. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 05:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::First of all, my ''true'' gripe was with the contents of the article; redirecting the article to a new title was primarily symbolic of the reshifting of its underlying ideas. However, I would like to point out the irony in the statement that powerhouse is too broad a term spanning just about every overused Pokémon - the same can be said of pseudo-legendary, as evidenced by the fact that this article originally contained a separate list of Pokémon with legendary characteristics! <br /> <br /> ::Furthermore, I personally feel that ''pseudo-legendary'' should be used to describe only two Pokémon that are not even mentioned in the article: {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Phione}}. ''Legendary'' alludes to mystery and nature or universe-controlling abilities; this article deals with battle prowess, for which legendaries are certainly well known, but it takes second place to their aura. Besides, some legendaries are not as battle-competent as the pseudo-legendaries/powerhouses in the article - practically all tweleve members of the legendary trios, and arguably some others. This comparison holds in base stats (the legendary trio all have a total of 580, which is lower than 600), but even an in-depth comparison on a competitive level leads to the same conclusion, at least generally. Therefore, is it justified to attach the name ''pseudo-legendary'' to a definition that highlights the battle prowess of Pokémon that are actually stronger than some legendaries? On the other hand, Unown and Phione are indeed pseudo-legendary if the term is taken to mean a Pokémon whose aura is associated with a true legendary ({{p|Suicune}} in Unown's case and {{p|Manaphy}} in Phione's).<br /> <br /> ::But I digress, as I do agree that if ''pseudo-legendary'' is more frequently used by the fandom to describe the group in question, then it should be used for the purposes of discussing a fanon term.<br /> <br /> ::One last thing - I appreciate Politoed666's token of solidarity. I don't mind reversions to my own edits, especially when done by another sysop, but it isn't my idea of showing respect; it would have been better to wait a bit longer in case I had arguments to present. I only wonder why the same level of urgency was not taken to revise the contents of the article in its original format, when it obviously needed re-working. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree with certain points made by Unown Lord. Perhaps the overall issue with the term &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is the usage of &quot;legendary.&quot; There are Pokémon that are &quot;legendary&quot; which do have certain exclusive characteristics, and applying the term to another group has its drawbacks. While the term may certain have specific applications to the pseudo-legendary Pokémon it is difficult to draw a completely defined line, contrary to the case with legendary Pokémon. The debate over which Pokémon &quot;qualify&quot; has no feasible ending point, as fans will always stick to their opinion concerning which ones &quot;deserve&quot; to be included. Sure, we have limits on Bulbapedia but in spite of this fact, there is still such an issue, as we can see from this very page. Honestly, I have no problem with the term, despite how vague it is and the supposed difficulty adhering to its guidelines. My wife on the other hand, disagrees with its usage for many of the reasons I mention. [[User:Deviant Audio|Deviant Audio]] 16:01, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Title Trouble ==<br /> <br /> Uhh, guys, the title says Pseudo-legendary but the article is about powerhouses... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's what I was in the middle of fixing, then a million edit conflicts come up. Argh. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh... My bad.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I tried editing it, but then edit-conflicts. Why were you doing one at a time? I could have done it in 30 seconds. :| [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :There were a lot. And I wanted to get some in before there was in edit conflict[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 06:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::hows about we make a note the page about how some people call it &quot;powerhouse&quot; '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Uh Uh Uh I guess.[[User:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF0000&gt;Po&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#FFFF00&gt;ke&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#00FF00&gt;Ma&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#00FFFF&gt;ni&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=#0000FF&gt;ac&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|&lt;font color=#FF00FF&gt;102&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Arcanine ==<br /> Shouldn't Arcanine be classified as a powerhouse pokemon as well? [[User:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''Boy'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''wonder'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Powerhouse. Not pseudo-legendary. There's a difference: Porygon-Z's a powerhouse, Alakazam's a powerhouse. Their base stats in Special Attack are higher than the base stats of any other non-legendary's Attack or Special Attack, but they aren't pseudo-legendary. They aren't the final forms of end-of-dex Pokémon, they're just final forms of Pokémon that do really well in Special Attack. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: But the species is called '''legendary''', despite it isn't a legendary, so it is kind of a pseudo..., isn't it? And it has the highest sum of base-stats of all non-legendary under 600... So there would be good reasons to call it a pseudo-legendary. And by the way, if you search for the [[Powerhouse]]-Article you are redirected to this article, so either there is a need for a own article for the fanterm Powerhouse or Arcanine is truly a pseudo. --[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 600 stat point total a requirement? ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't that seem a little subjective? I mean sure they all have that but that doesn't mean a future Pokemon of similar psuedo-legend status will have that total. Plus with these Pokemon it could just be coincidence they all have 600. Having 600 total might have been how it happened for all of them, but I just don't seem it as a ''requirement'' per se. Just that that's how it happened. Toastypk 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Not really. The psuedo-legends were most likely designed so that their stats WOULD total 600. The only likely exception would be Dragonite due to Special Attack/Defence being a single stat in Generation 1, but it was probably reworked to total 600 in Generation 2. It's hardly likely to be coincedence that their base stats all total 600. - [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> Hmm... well I've never paid attention to stat totals anyway, just relative strengths. Toastypk<br /> ::As I said above a base stat total of 600 is a requirement, not a coindidence. It is why they are called pseudo-legendaries, as many legendary pokemon have a bst of 600.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is it worth mentioning that Tyranitar, as of gen IV, technically has a total stats of 650?? (Due to its sand stream ability and the fact that Rock types get a x1.5 boost in S.Def in a sandstorm???) I know its not its true &quot;Base&quot; stats as such but even so I feel it should be mentioned [[User:PhantomCX|PhantomCX]] 12:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Nebula, the psuedo-legends were not designed so that their stats would total 600, in fact psuedo-legends at all were not designed, it is just a made up term? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> =={{p|Lucario}}==<br /> Couldn't Lucario fit the pseudo-legendary description? [[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :how? its nothing like a Pseudo in any way. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, for one thing pseudo-legendary ''by definition'' means false legendary. Lucario was once thought to be a legendary and has very similar stats. It even has higher stats than some of the legendaries.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> Pseudo-legendary is a term used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, <br /> two types, as well as a base stat total of 600. <br /> :::so, does Lucario fit any of those criteria? One. he has two-types. 1/3 doesnt cut it here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:40, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::But if Lucario ever gets an evolution, its evolution could possibly be a pseudo-legendary. &lt;sup&gt;&lt;big&gt;[[user:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;Cho&lt;/span&gt;]][[user talk:chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;col&lt;/span&gt;]][[special:contributions/chocolate|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6D351A;&quot;&gt;ate&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, it won't. Riolu is a baby pokemon evolves from happiness, which will likely separate it. Lucario won't get an evolution because it has too varied a moveset and too high stats.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::::That's true.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 00:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::not that it wont ever happen, but be rational. do you think Lucario will seriously get an evo? rationally, no. therefor, it is not (currently) a Pseudo-legendary. btw Chocolate, id appreciate it if you didnt edit my comments. if i wanted it like that, id have made it like that in the first place. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::What's more, speculating on whether an evolution of a Pokémon would be pseudo-legendary is hardly a good argument for calling Lucario one. [[User:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Glinn&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;Mgraw&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::I consider Lucario a semi-legendary Pokémon. A few others i put in the group are Pokémon like Arcanine, Unown, Rotom, etc. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::they have legendary traits, but they are not legendaries. and far from pseudo-legendaries. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::That's why I call them semi-legendaries; meaning they are kind of legendary. --'''[[User:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC&quot;&gt;いぬ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:InuMimi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CCCCCC&quot;&gt;みみ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Slaking (Pokémon)]] ==<br /> Why is Slaking not a Psuedo? [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Oohh, It's not dual type, [[User:DragonTamer|DragonTamer]] 04:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Inbalance ==<br /> <br /> Too much trivia? Too little article? Can someone with experience in competitive gameplay edit it so that the trivia is not longer than the actual article? '''[[User:Optimatum|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sub&gt; 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New table ==<br /> '''Here:'''<br /> {| align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252&quot;<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation I}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation II}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}&quot; | {{color2|272727|Generation III}}<br /> ! colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{cynthia color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;&quot;| {{color2|272727|Generation IV}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{kanto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:149.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Dragonite|{{kanto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{johto color light}}&quot; | [[Image:248.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Tyranitar|{{johto color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{hoenn color light}}&quot; | [[Image:373.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Salamence|{{hoenn color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{colo color light}}&quot; | [[Image:376.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Metagross|{{colo color dark}}}}'''<br /> | colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{sinnoh color light}}&quot; | [[Image:445.png]]&lt;br&gt;'''{{pcolor|Garchomp|{{sinnoh color dark}}}}'''<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot; style=&quot;font-size: 90%;&quot;<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{rock color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Rock}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dark color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dark}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{flying color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Flying}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{steel color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Steel}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{psychic color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Psychic}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{dragon color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Dragon}}<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{ground color}}&quot; | {{typecolor|Ground}}<br /> |- align=&quot;center&quot;<br /> ! 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However, Dragonair is also obtainable in the wild in most games where Dratini is (all but Pokémon Red, Green and Blue). Likewise, Pupitar is available in the wild in Crystal. Gabite is found in Victory Road in Platinum.&quot;<br /> <br /> However, with the addition of Platinum, Gabite can be found in the wild. This means that no, only 2 out of the 5 of them are only found in their first form in the wild. I honestly don't think that something like that should be included in the article, since when was 2 out of 5 &quot;most&quot;, or even noteworthy? You could say that all 5 of them have the colour blue on them somewhere, but is that noteworthy? <br /> <br /> I'd have already removed it, but the page is protected. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 22:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)<br /> :There's no blue on either Dragonite or Larvitar, thus your entire logic is flawed! Good DAY, sir! :P In all seriousness though, you raise a good point. That part of the article definitely needs to be removed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe he means a pokemon in the line has had the colour blue on them at some point? --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kingdra ==<br /> <br /> It doesn't fit the 600 total, (540 in case you were wondering) but it's dual type, it has 3 stages in the family, and it's at the end of the Pokedex. Sorry about bringing up another Pokemon [[User:BaconBoy|Corvy]] 12:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Kingdra isn't a pseudo-legendary. All qualities must be met. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 20:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat total trivia ==<br /> <br /> On all the pseudo legendaries, there is a trivia entry stating that they have the second highest base stat total behind slaking. It then goes on to say how it's tied with the other pseudo legendaries etc etc.<br /> Wouldn't it make more sense to just not have this? I mean there's already a link to the pseudo legendary page (here) at the top of the page, and it explains here that they all have the same base stat total etc. Just seems redundant to me and pointless trivia. [[User:Derian|&amp;#91;&amp;#91;Derian&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] 14:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> I don't know how you'd do it, but might it be useful to put stats on the final evolutions at some point.--[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 09:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I agree. There is a lot of talk about stats and it would be nice to scroll up and refer to the stats of each Pokemon, rather then have to do to their individual page and scroll down. :/[[User:Tro|Tro]] 07:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Question ==<br /> <br /> Should the part about 600 stat total be changed to something like &quot;at least 600&quot;? Yes there is nothing like that now, but if in future generations something with 630 total ''does'' show up it would be better to be prepared now then argue about it when something comes up.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 14:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :We'll sort that out when it happens. Bulbapedia deals with the present. Thanks anyway. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 04:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::I highly doubt anyone would complain about whether or not something with above 600 counts or not... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Garchomp's location in the pokedex ==<br /> <br /> Stated in the characteristics section, it says that Garchomp's evolution line is not next to any notable pokemon. However, I disagree: Before Gible is Spiritomb, a pokemon that is considered semi-legendary by fans, since it can only be caught once under special conditions in the wild. Should we reword that sentence to include this information? {{Unsigned|AuraGaurdian}}<br /> <br /> :Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ash's Larvitar ==<br /> <br /> It mentions in the trivia that Ash had only one member of the pseudo-legendary line, referencing his Gible, but at one point he had a Larvitar. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? --~~[[User_talk:AuraGaurdian|Aura]][[Special:Contributions/AuraGaurdian|Gaurdian]] 17:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Give the source and edit it to two. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::It's called [[Ash's Larvitar]] by the way. The trivia is actually referencing to his Larvitar but if you wanted to figure out a way of wording it you could say,&quot;Ash is the only main character in the anime to own two different members of a pseudo-legendary family.&quot; or something along those lines. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MasterKenobi|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000CC&quot;&gt;Kenobi&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Gonna step in here quick and bring up that I think the reason why Gible is said to be Ash's only pseudo-legendary was because Larvitar was never technically ''his'', he was just temporarily taking care of it or whatnot. Its article is named as such for the sake of simplicity. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::If that is the case then why does its article call it Ash's? Are we going to need to move the article if it wasn't Ash's? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::From my previous comment on the matter:<br /> ::::::''Its article is named as such'' &lt;small&gt;[ie. &quot;Ash's Larvitar&quot;]&lt;/small&gt; ''for the sake of simplicity''<br /> :::::We can't very well call the article &quot;the Larvitar that Ash took care of for about eight episodes but was never technically owned by him&quot; or something. :P &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That may be true but it apparently isn't his, the page at least should not have that, Ash's current pokemon thing at the bottom or something [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 20:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> This discussion would better serve a purpose [[Talk:Ash's_Larvitar#Ash.27s_Larvitar|here]], so I am moving it there<br /> <br /> == Addition of Charizard ==<br /> I feel that Charizard is a pseudo-legendary. I think it should be added due to it's immense power. Feel free to respond. [[User:BrianPokemonTrainer|BrianPokemonTrainer]] 00:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Did.... you even read the article? Charizard does '''not''' fufill any of the requirements. It's not even that strong. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#e072a9;&quot;&gt;ティナ&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#728084;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Well... who decided the rules of this '''fluff''' term anyways? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kibago ==<br /> <br /> Isn't kibago a Pseudo-legendary--&lt;small&gt;[[User:lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;KayKay&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;|&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Lilkaykaygal|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple&quot;&gt;Chat to me!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Stats don't reach +600. Ononokusu may be faster and stronger than Gyarados, but a pseudo-legendary he is not.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 03:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Dratini==<br /> Awww, who removed part of my note in the trivia about how in the anime Dratini was specifically stated to be a legendary pokemon? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :That's like saying Arcanine should by a Pseudo-Legendary because &quot;Legendary Pokemon&quot; is in its title.{{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> ::No I only said it should be psuedo-legendary because the anime stated it as a legendary? [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 14:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::This page is about the Pseudo-legendary classification used by fans, especially in regards to the metagame. It does NOT refer to Pokémon which are considered legendary in in-game text or other media, despite not having the rarity or strength of typical legendaries. Why can't anyone seem to understand that? --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 15:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::It was just a note for the trivia, trivia rarely is extremely on-topic with the rest of the article, that is why it gets posted in the trivia and not the article itself. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 16:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::::Wrong. Trivia must be &quot;on topic&quot;. You wouldn't add trivia about how Lance's Dragonite in Gen. I knew Barrier here. Similarly, your trivia would belong in the Legendary Pokémon article, or Dratini's article, but not this article. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy&lt;sup&gt;P&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;K&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;M&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;N&lt;/sub&gt;]] 16:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Wrong. I said ''extremely'' on-topic, the anime's classification of Dratini's status is ''moderately'' on-topic with a fluff term based on what the fans feel is Dratini's status. I never said trivia could be off-topic, I only said it didn't have to be ''extremely'' on-topic. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross is used in Gen V ==<br /> <br /> Metagross is used by Lady Caitlin in the Isshu Elite Four rematch. {{unsigned|Bluekirbystar}}<br /> <br /> == Ononokus ==<br /> <br /> Isn't Ononokus a psuedo-legendary? It isn't near the end of the Pokedex, but then Garchomp isn't either. [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :No base stats of 600 total. End of discussion.--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#C11B17&quot;&gt;でんのう&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;font color=&quot;#347C2C&quot;&gt;☢&lt;/font&gt; [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#151B8D&quot;&gt;'''Z'''えんし&lt;/font&gt;]] 11:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah, right. I don't normally bother looking at stats... [[User:Taromon777|&lt;span style=&quot;color:turquoise; font-family:Arial&quot;&gt;'''T a r o m o n'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::: You should look at stats; as it is one of the best indicators of which species make a group, or are version counterparts.{{unsigned|Eriorguez}}<br /> <br /> == Two types really necessary? ==<br /> <br /> I'd say the defining feature is the 600 BST. The page, in more than one place, describes the fact that pseudolegendaries have two types as though you couldn't, even in theory, have a pseudolegendary without it, but is that so? Obviously, all the pseudos that currently exist have two types (and we should mention that fact, don't get me wrong), but wouldn't we just adjust our definition if they (hypothetically) introduced a monotype pseudo in the sixth generation? I don't think we should &quot;define&quot; a pseudo as having two types; nor should we list that as one of the reasons Slaking isn't. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Good point, don't two typers have more weaknesses usually? Not a very legendary trait... [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 03:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ulgamoth ==<br /> <br /> This may be shot down, but SURELY Ulgamoth is a pseudo-legendary. It may lack the Base Stats and Second Evolution, but it's clearly intended to be in the same tier. Its final evolution receives the EV yield of a Third-Stage pokemon, it comes right after Sazandorah, just like how Salamence and Metagross are placed next to each other (Garchomp was separated from legendaries by Evolutions from previous gens). It has significant mythology connected to it, and is obtained in peculiar ways, one of which is fashioned like a Legendary Encounter. It evolves at a ridiculously high level. Hell, the concept itself is that of something that would have a cocoon stage, but missed out on it somehow. The 550 Base Stat is peculiar, but surely can be put down to it having Butterfly Dance, an obscenely powerful move. Pretty much everything points it to being a counterpart with Sazandorah as the two pseudo-legendaries of Generation 5. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Nope, needs to have the stats and isn't a {{type|Dragon}}. {{p|Haxorus}} isn't considered Pseudo-legendary because of stats and it IS a {{t|Dragon}}. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::{{p|Tyranitar|They don't have to be a Dragon}} {{p|Metagross|to be considered pseudo-legendary}}. But yeah, Ulgamoth has the wrong stats and it only has two stages. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Thanks for the clarification User Kenji-girl. --[[User:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;'''Land'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Landfish7|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Tahoma;background:black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;'''fish7'''&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree on Volcarona being intended to be something special, but not the same thing as pseudo-legends. It is something new and different, even if similar. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 13:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::The only problem I see then is that it's left in a weird limbo. It's not a &quot;legendary&quot; because it can breed, and despite being a Champion's ace, apparently not a pseudo-legendary. I think it's significant enough to classified as something surely. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 20:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::I would like to disagree with everyone that opposes Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legendary. Just have a look at nearly every other Bug type that came before it for instance, and you'll notice that ALL tend to have stats below 400 or very rarely reaching 500 or higher. In nearly all games before B/W it was almost like a rule or some sort, or a tradition. Perhaps Volcarona lives up to this tradition even with B/W's upgrade to Bug types. As a Bug type, it would not be able to have as high of stats as other types if it followed this old tradition, so that would explain Volcarona's BST of 550 instead of 600. Another possible explaination is probably just an excuse to make it have a lower BST than Genesect. The big seal to all this is that Alder uses Volcarona as his main Pokemon. Why would it be used as his main if it wasn't a Pseudo-Legendary? Why just have something random instead of a Psuedo-legendary or even a Legendary? It all starts to make sense when you think about it. Volcarona, though having a lower BST than the other Pseudo-Legends, still has the exact same kind of power you'd expect from one due to it's gargantuan stats compared to other Bug types. Even Genesect feels very weak in comparison to Volcarona, as well as giving Tyranitar and Metagross something to fear and respect at the same time. So the point of all of this is, it would seem reasonable to accept Volcarona as a Pseudo-Legend due to past treatment of Bug types in general. Besides, doesn't it seem more like a fan idea to have them required to have a BST of 600 and be a 3 stage line? What if GF has their own requirements to the idea and simply design them as they please? For a Bug type to fill this role, all of this would make alot of sense. Why simply believe a Pseudo-Legend requires those things only because of past tradition from Gen I-IV? Wouldn't it be fair for a Bug type Pseudo-Legend to exist yet still follow the tradition of Bug types having lower Base stats than others? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term, so fans determine the requirements. It is based on a pattern we as fans have detected in each generation? Being &quot;strong&quot; has nothing to do with being pseudo-legendary (other than that pseudo-legendary requires a 600 BST). Champion usage does not make something pseudo-legendary, even if it is their primary Pokémon. Alder doesn't use a legendary Pokémon because they are restricted to battle facility Trainers and storyline events. They did not fit it into their previous pattern. Anything that breaks the mold is not bending the pattern, but rejecting it. What does Volcarona have in common with actual pseudo-legendary Pokémon? If we let Volcarona in, then the definition of pseudo-legendary becomes &quot;has two types, needs 1,250,000 exp to get to level 100&quot;. Now, if you look at {{cat|Pokémon in the Slow experience group|this list of Pokémon in that experience group}} and pick out all the dual typed Pokémon, excluding legendary Pokémon, you can see just how many there are. To name a few, {{p|Abomasnow}}, {{p|Aggron}}, {{p|Sharpedo}}, {{p|Lanturn}}. And that is only a few of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::Now you're being just biased about all this. Why do they all need BSTs of 600? Can't Volcarona be the exception due to it's Bug typing? Even if Dual typed and Slow exp group were the only requirements now, it would all still be the same, since Volcarona would be the only Pseudo-Legend that doesn't fill the previous 600 BST requirement. All you seem to be trying to do is sticking too much to tradition, because honestly, I thought you'd stick with the 1st to 4th gen's Pseudo-Legend tradition of Attack being the highest stat when it was revealed Hydreigon's highest was Special Attack instead. Due to that, I thought everybody would be biased with even it due to favoring Special Attack instead. Volcarona, when compared to Aggron of Flygon, makes far more sense as a Pseudo-Legendary. Honestly, I think of Pseudo-Legendaries having the highest BST of all non-legendaries out of one of their types. Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon have the highest Base Stat total of all non-legendary Dragon types, Tyranitar has the highest of all Non-legendary Rock types, and the highest for Dark types along with Hydreigon. Metagross has the highest out of all Non-legendary Steel and Psychic types. Volcarona has the highest of all Non-legendary Bug types. It all makes sense when you consider how a Pseudo-Legendary could be designed with that in mind. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::In other words, think of it this way:<br /> <br /> ::::::-Non-legendary.<br /> ::::::-Evolves atleast once.<br /> ::::::-Highest Base Stat total of atleast one of their types.<br /> ::::::-Dual typed.<br /> ::::::-Slow Experience group.<br /> <br /> ::::::With this in mind, ONLY Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Volcarona fit all four of these requirements. Arcanine and Slaking don't have two types, and Archeops isn't in the right Exp group and isn't the highest of either of it's types. So there you have it, problem solved. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::So what you're saying is that we should change the currently accepted definition of Pseudo-legendary just because you want Volcarona to be one. Not gonna happen.<br /> <br /> :::::::Besides, Ghetsis is the last opponent in the story, and he uses a Hydreigon, but not a Volcarona. Not that final opponent usage matters, as Tyranitar was first used by Blue in FR/LG and was still considered a Pseudo-legendary in Gen II. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::ALDER is the last, not Ghetsis man. ALDER uses VOLCARONA, not Hydreigon. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::The ''main story'' ends with Ghetsis, not Alder. Alder is postgame. - [[User:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:navy&quot;&gt;Blazios&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User Talk:Blazios|&lt;span style=&quot;color:limegreen&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == METAGROSS ==<br /> <br /> In BW you can find wild Metang and metagross in Giant Casm. So it is'nt really a Pseudo-Legandary. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 11:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :And you can find wild Dragonair and Dragonite near the Dragonsprial Tower. What does not being found in the wild have to do with being a pseudo legendary? --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 11:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Did anyone mention... ==<br /> that ALL Pseudo-Legendaries have immunities? It's true you know.<br /> :It was in the trivia section, I swear...must've been removed for some reason (wtf deletionists) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> : : Kind of pointless to mention because they are not the only one with immunities. Lots of Pokemon have immunities to one type or another. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]<br /> <br /> == Coincidences. ==<br /> <br /> Didn't want to start an edit war, so I'm just going to post here to see what others think. So far as i know, and as far as I believe the fandom is concerned, the only defining traits of a pseudo legend are that they have a base stat total of 600 and that they evolve. I myself was unaware that they all need 1.25 million experience points to hit level 100. Does anyone else think that that fact in the definition in the opening paragraph is extraneous? [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 15:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Simply put, no. Espially if all six of them have that trait. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 02:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::Let's face it, you ask anyone who plays Pokemon, and they'll give you the 600 BST Evolution definition. Did Nintendo give them all the same amount of experience at level 100 on purpose? Probably. Is that how people define Pseudo Legendary? No. And since this page is a fan definition, then it should use what most people refer to it as. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 02:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :::Many Pokémon need 1.25 Million exp to get to level 100, but they're not classed as Pseudo legendary (for obvius reasons such as Base stat=/=600). So I agree with RB, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C3C3C3&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#D8D8D8&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's been a week since I last asked, and it's a 1-1 split by people who aren't me. So here is a one week bump to try to solicit opinions, before seeing that no one else cares and changing it back to the way i changed it. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] 14:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Slaking ==<br /> <br /> I am aware that an argument has already been brought up to add Slaking to the list. I think it should be added, for the following reasons. From what I understand, the definition here of a Pseudo-Legendary is (a) it can't be legendary. (b) It must evolve twice. It is not part of the definition that all of them must be dual typed, nor that they must have an immunity. This is simply a trait that all of the current members of the list happen to share. The third part of the current definition is that all of them must have exactly 600 BST. This is the part I don't understand. I can understand why it would be nice to have a requirement for at least 600, but why does it have to be exact? This brings us to Slaking. It has the highest base stats of any non-legendary. It evolves twice. Why should it be denied the position of being pseudo-legendary for being too powerful? Pseudo-legendary means &quot;resembling a legendary&quot;, and legendaries are supposed to be powerful. There are 16 legendaries with a BST over 600, and 11 even higher than Slaking's. In terms of its lack of a second type, 22 out of 47 legendaries are single-typed. Slaking's lack of a second type definitely should not exclude it from being a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :''Slaking, though not pseudo-legendary, has the highest base stats of all non-legendary Pokémon and one immunity, to the Ghost-type. However, it lacks some factors: a base-stat total of 600 and a secondary type. Slaking is also hindered by its ability, Truant, which is likely the reason for its high stats. '' From this page. However I would say the biggest reason it is not on here is because Truant truly cripples any astounding power it has. The only time to experience its true full potential is in a double battle with a Pokemon that uses Skill Swap on it so it can attack every turn rather than half the turns. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 22:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::As I mentioned above, however, I don't think that a secondary type or an exact BST should be part of the definition. Yes, Truant does cripple Slaking, but it is technically speculation which says that this is the reason for its high stats. It is a non-legendary that has an even higher BST than any others on the list. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::It is a fandom-defined term. This is the definition. We only report was it, not make it the way it is. The fandom says BST must equal 600, so Slaking is not pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::Might we want to review this definition, though? If we want the list to consist of those who are &quot;like legendaries&quot;, we shouldn't restrict the list to dual types, as almost half of legendaries are single-typed. Similarly, less than half of legendaries have a BST of exactly 600. &quot;The fandom&quot; is, in my opinion, a vague term; it can't be that everybody agrees on the same point. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 16:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::This page is a description of a fan term which describes all Pokémon which have, thus far, followed a specific pattern. Until the fans choose to recognize a Pokémon which Game Freak has made defy the pattern, no changes to the definition should be needed.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary, while it does mean &quot;like legendary&quot;, it is not a group that includes all Pokémon that are similar to legendary Pokémon, it is a group of Pokémon that follow a certain pattern (which causes them to be powerful). &quot;The fandom&quot; refers to the general fan consensus; not everybody agrees, but most people concede to this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == So seriously, what's the definition? ==<br /> <br /> As I pointed out above (and nearly no one responded), if the sixth gen introduces a non-legendary Pokemon with a 600 BST with only one type will we say that it's not pseudolegendary, or will we just change the definition of what a psuedolegendary is? Why is having two types or a specific level-up curve considered a ''necessary condition'' to being a pseudolegendary rather than just a trait all of the current ones happen to have? Indeed, given that you can completely remove either restriction or both of them and not change the list of pseudolegendary Pokemon ''at all'' (you can't do so with the 600 BST or the fact that they come from evolutionary families), I'd say Occam's Razor would slice away those unnecessary conditions. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> : PS. I'd like to point out that the opening paragraph used to mention that all pseudos had Attack as their highest stat, though it wisely did not include that as a part of the definition of what makes a pseudo a pseudo. [[Hydreigon|Now it doesn't say that any more.]] Just sayin'. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 07:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::The pseudolegendaries are variations on a theme. The dual types and stats are part of that theme. Single type would suggest that there's an underlying difference. Experience group makes them hard to raise, suggesting that they're all very similar. Like PP of moves, experience group is an indicator of the similarity of Pokemon. If Nintendo feel the need to make it a lower experience group, that makes it easier to raise, suggesting that there are underlying differences - the Pokemon are not considered equal. Stats like that aren't just a random choice. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 20:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::I can't say I agree. We can say that the two types and the level-up curve are traits they all have, at present, but how is it part of the definition? If you remove those restrictions, the number of pseudolegendary Pokemon remains six, so those restrictions aren't helping with the definition and just unnecessarily restrict possible future psuedolegendaries. I was asked to provide a source that they're not necessary. Where's the source that they are? I mean, let's say, totally hypothetically, that one made a page called &quot;Pikachu Clones&quot; back in the fourth gen, discussing Pokemon such as Pichu, Plusle, Minun, and Pachirisu. (The usefulness of such a page isn't the point; let's just say that one existed.) At the time, they decided to define the Pokemon as &quot;Cute mono-Electric-type Pokemon that have a resemblence to Pikachu. Aside from Pichu and Pikachu, none of the Pikachu clones evolve.&quot; Are you to say that, when the fifth gen came out, this hypothetical page would have been wrong to alter its definition and include Emolga? If so, why? And if not, then why did the definition need to include the &quot;mono-&quot; part of it at all if it's unnecessarily limiting and so easily discarded? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 20:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::I personally don't think having two types should be part of the definition; I don't see a pure Dragon-type pseudo legendary Pokemon being that unlikely. I did a quick search, and I couldn't find any other non-forum giving a definition of pseudo-legendary Pokemon, so there is nothing stating either way. However, I would say experience group is just as important as BST. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::No, I still stand against it. I'm being treated like I'm trying to redefine which Pokemon are pseudolegendary, and, yes, I do see that others have tried. But I'm not. Removing these two restrictions does nothing. It's Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon now. It'll be Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon if you remove those restrictions.<br /> :::::Who made the call that they're necessary to the definition? I've been asked to source that they're not. Why must I prove the negative? It's the positive case that requires proof! Should I add a [citation needed] to the definition?<br /> :::::If you were to remove the 600 BST part of the defintion, and still keep everything else, you'd add things like Aggron and Rhyperior to the list, so we can't do that.<br /> :::::The &quot;three-stage evolutionary family&quot; thing comes off to me as a roundabout way of saying &quot;not legendary&quot;, but I'm fine with it since legendary status can be arguable (the Legendary page on this very wiki is unsure on Phione, and even though I strongly disagree, I've even seen modern fans try to argue Rotom's legendary status.) And without it, Jirachi and Landorus are brought into the list of &quot;pseudolegendaries&quot;, so obviously that restriction is necessary, regardless of the wording.<br /> :::::But why type combos? Why experience groups? Removing them changes what? Is there a 600-BST three-stage mono-type family in the medium-slow group that is clearly not pseudolegendary I'm somehow unfamiliar with? (Well, Slaking has a 6'''7'''0 BST and three stages and is a monotype, though he is in the Slow group, but... Truant is all it takes to convince me he's not a proper pseudolegendary. And he's the closest there is, besides the obvious six!)<br /> :::::As I said, if you were to put on the side (in Trivia or something) that all of them, at present, are dualtypes in the Slow experience group, you wouldn't see me argue - it's true, after all. But to put it in the definition, as if to say &quot;Pokémon without these traits can't be pseudolegendary&quot;... I jusst don't see it. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Thing is, pseudo-legendary is the observation of a pattern and nothing more. When they all fit it and it is likely that they will continue fitting a condition, it should be treated as part of the definition. No, removing the experience group condition does not remove anything, but that condition is really for restricting what we may get next generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Next generation, if we get a Pokemon with a BST of 600 who is at the top of a three-stage evolution family in the medium-slow experience group instead of slow, and it doesn't have any major negative traits like Truant, do you really think the fandom isn't going to call it a pseudo-legendary? Do you honestly believe most of the fandom - who defined the term - even cares about experience curves that much? And can you provide a source on it? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::There is no source (BP was the only fansite I could find that actually defined pseudo-legendary outside of &quot;means Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon&quot;), because GF has never officially mentioned the pattern anywhere, but the pattern is obvious enough that the fandom has noticed it. Knowing the fandom—who tried and push Volcarona and Haxorus into being pseudo-legendary—there will certainly be many people who think it should be. However, it won't truly be one. I don't see that ever happening though, as experience group is part of the pattern. Even if something had a BST of 600, three-stage evolutionary family and medium-slow experience group but had Truant, it would still be pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::Isn't that a contradiction? (Did you get your experience groups confused?) And if something can be pseudolegendary with Truant, then Slaking should definitely count, since his stats are way higher than the existing pseudolegendaries (NOTE: I do not consider Slaking a pseudolegendary, I'm just saying that the logic doesn't flow.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::Truant is irrelevant; its BST is not 600, so it does not fit the pattern. And yes, I meant slow experience group (I meant to check that before I saved). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::I would argue that, though it's not a very specific or encyclopedic definition, a pseudo-legendary Pokemon would be a non-legendary Pokemon as strong, stat-wise, as legendaries. By that simple definition, Slaking easily fits the bill... or, rather, he would, except Truant limits his strength. (Well, Regigigas is similarly hindered, but all the same...) Now that said, all pseudos that exist have 600; there's no argument here and it works to say it. But the rest of it is redundant, adds nothing to the definition, and is something we'll just have to retcon away the moment GameFreak decides to contradict it.<br /> :::::::::::BTW, Does ''anyone else at all'' have any input? Anyone? I've notived that a lot of Bulbapedia discussions go nowhere fast; at best, they wind up arguments between two or three users, like, say, this one. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::If you ask any fan what they define psuedo legendary as, they would say a three stage evolution line with a 600 BST in the final stage. Two types and experience are not what you would get with most fans definition. Since this is a fandom term, we should use the definition most fans use. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 21:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::::Pesudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an intentional pattern. Experience group is part of this part of the pattern. Therefore, it should be considered part of the definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::::::It's part of the &quot;pattern&quot; that people only learn about when they read this page. Regardless of if it's a pattern or not, it's not what the fandom defined definition is. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 03:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> (unindenting) [http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue21/best_of_best Here is one example] of the term being define without the dual typing or the experience mentioned. I'm sure I can find more online later when not at work. [[User:RB Golbat|RB Golbat]] ([[User talk:RB Golbat|talk]]) 10:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Champion Iris with Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> You should add that. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pseudo-Pseudo-Legendary ==<br /> <br /> Maybe we should have a pseudo-pseudo legendary page or section for all the almost pseudo-legendary pokemon (That don't quite fit the requirements but are still considered near-legendary pokemon. This is just after reading the whole talk page about the controversy... {{unsigned|Yor2cool}}<br /> :That would result in debates over what counts as almost fitting the category. The definition debates all assume the same Pokémon as already part of the group. There are no Pokémon that are debatably pseudo-legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Something unique about Metagross ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Metagross is the only Pseudo who doesn't resist, but in fact has a weakness to, fire? [[User:DragonMasterNeal|DragonMasterNeal]] ([[User talk:DragonMasterNeal|talk]]) 19:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability capitalization ==<br /> <br /> A user with permission could change &quot;ability&quot; to &quot;Ability&quot; in the Tyranitar section. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Seriously? ==<br /> <br /> Why is this page protected? I wanted to add something to Others. [[User:Stickipedia|Stickipedia]] ([[User talk:Stickipedia|talk]]) 21:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> :As the protection log notes: &quot;''As this is a subject of constant debate, editing is restricted. Requests can be made on the talk page.''&quot; - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 21:57, 16 May 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tyranitar as main Pokemon of an NPC trainer ==<br /> <br /> * &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that is not the main Pokémon of a major boss at the end of the game it was introduced in. However, Tyranitar was used by Blue in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions, but only in his rematch.&quot;<br /> <br /> Tyranitar (as a [[Shadow Pokémon]]) was also [[Evice]]'s main Pokémon, in the final battle of [[Pokémon Colosseum]]. I think this is an interesting addition we can make to that note. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor RFEs ==<br /> <br /> Playing the Grammar Nazi card....<br /> <br /> Under the Metagross section, there is this line:<br /> <br /> :&quot;This is likely why Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon not to be used by Lance in any game, as he prefers Dragon-type and '''draconian''' Pokémon.&quot;<br /> <br /> The correct word is ''draconic''; the word 'draconian' means '[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draconian severely harsh or strict]'.<br /> <br /> And under Garchomp's section:<br /> <br /> :&quot;It '''compliments''' these attributes with '''it's''' Ground typing,&quot;<br /> <br /> Wrong 'its', no apostrophe required. And it should probably use compl'''e'''ment instead of compl'''i'''ment.<br /> <br /> --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 05:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Use by gym leaders ==<br /> <br /> Should we add some of the gym leaders (in their various types of rematches and the PWT) as users of the pseudo-legendaries, and possibly the Elite Four? For example, Brock with Tyranitar and Giovanni and Clair with Garchomp. --[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Pages ==<br /> I'm bringing this up here because it seems silly to go to each individual page to say it...<br /> Should the Pokémon's actual pages really say that they're &quot;pseudo-legendary Pokémon&quot; up at the top? I mean, by definition it is a '''fan term''', so I don't think it belongs there with their typing and evolutionary patterns. Maybe in their trivia sections, but not there. It looks very unprofessional to stick a fan-term at the top of the pages of these Pokémon, otherwise you might as well change Snivy's opening text to &quot;Snivy (fannon: Smugleaf)&quot;. It's just as ridiculous. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> Actually, a better comparison would be changing all of Eevee's evolutionary family pages to say &quot;X is a Y-type Eeveelution&quot;. What I'm saying is, I don't think fan terminology belongs there. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eeveelution has actually became canon term (first used in [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8c/Pok%C3%A9mon_Stadium_2_-_Nintendo_Player%27s_Guide_p120.jpg Stadium 2 guide], then later in TCG Theme Deck... plus in-game in Shadows of Almia). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Fine, make that edit then, but that's not my point. &quot;Pseudo-legendary&quot; is not an official term, its a fan term. This is not Smogon, this is an encyclopaedia. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 14:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Since this page seems to be under indefinite protection, I'm forced to request here instead of waiting out the protection. There are three instances of the word '''typing''' being incorrectly used as a noun, which you can find by CTRL+F. Can these please be changed to simply '''type'''? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Metagross in Gen III ==<br /> <br /> I think it is worth mentioning that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary that cannot be obtain in the generation it was released in, before defeating the elite four. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 10:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The same goes for Tyranitar.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that only [[Tyranitar]] and [[Metagross]] aren't partially dragon-type? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon#Other|It is there.]]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 20:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> So, if Goodra is to be included, it would mean A) Goodra is the first pure type, B) Goodra has the highest Sp.Def./the only 1 with Sp.Def. its highest stat/has the lowest Att. C) Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly, D) Hydreigon is no longer the only pseudo with a type immunity via ability (Goodra's Sap Sipper), E) Goodra is the only pseudo who is not necessarily immune to a type (since it has 2 other abilities), F) Goodra is the only pseudo with additional evolutionary conditions, G) Goodra is the only pseudo whose mid-stage is available in its debut games. Anything else? --[[User:Mr. Bonding|Mr. Bonding]] ([[User talk:Mr. Bonding|talk]]) 01:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Dragonite is no longer the only pseudo portrayed as friendly&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <br /> :Wait what? I'm going to need explanation for this one. [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 20:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Dragonite-Guides crews of shipwrecks to shore, kindhearted. Goodra-Hugs trainer. [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:51, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == There are seven pseudo-legendaries now ==<br /> <br /> enough said. ~--[[User:Dapianoman|Dapianoman]] ([[User talk:Dapianoman|talk]]) 01:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Users ==<br /> <br /> Goodra is also used by Shauna in X&amp;Y. Just a small thing that I would add if I could :L [[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 19:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's already in the article. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 19:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra Description ==<br /> <br /> Shall I make the description for Goodra or is someone else assigned to it? [[User:RespectThePixel|RespectThePixel]] ([[User talk:RespectThePixel|talk]]) 00:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Images for Goomy and Sligoo on the chart ==<br /> <br /> You messed it up. Goomy's image is where Sliggoo's should be and vice versa. [[User:StongRadd|StongRadd]] ([[User talk:StongRadd|talk]]) 03:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mega Evolutions ==<br /> <br /> Should it be noted that Tyranitar and Garchomp both receive Mega Evolutions in Gen VI?--[[User:Darkmaster|Darkmaster]] ([[User talk:Darkmaster|talk]]) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Counting error ==<br /> <br /> With the addition of Goodra, there are now seven pseudo-legendary Pokemon, not 6. pikalax 22:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mistaken ==<br /> <br /> Pseudo-legendary is a fanmade term, and the definition of pseudo-legendary varies from fan to fan. So why does it say Pokémon like Flygon, Aggron, Kingdra, et cetera are mistaken for pseudo-legendaries? While they may not be pseudo-legendaries in one fan's terms, Garchomp may not be pseudo-legendary in another fan's terms. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 21:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :They are not pseudo-legendary by the definition agreed upon by Bulbapedia and metagame websites. Individual people who don't bother to look into things like stats may mistakenly think that &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; is just a term that means nearly or almost legendary, when it is actually a very specific term for a very specific kind of Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Most metagame websites don't list Goodra as pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 17:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::But according to Bulbapedia's description of a pseudo-legendary, and unless I am very mistaken, this wiki is indeed Bulbapedia, it is a pseudo-legendary, which is why it's on the page. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::Bulbapedia's description is not the only description out there, and my point is no Pokémon can be &quot;mistaken&quot; for a pseudo-legendary. [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 01:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::::Yes, but this is Bulbapedia, that is the description that Bulbapedia has settled on for what a pseudo legendary is and so that is why Goodra is on the list. There are other definitions out there with some of those other Pokémon coming into them, which is why, by Bulbapedia's definition, they are mistaken. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 22:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Pseudo-legendary is a fan term to describe an existing pattern. Goodra fits this pattern, so it is pseudo-legendary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == mainly shared weakness? ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed every single pseudo-legendary has the fairy weakness besides metagross. That could be something to consider. {{unsigned|Nerdandrew}}<br /> :Sure, notable trivia if all of them had the weakness. However, &quot;All but one&quot; is not notable trivia. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 16:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can be added to the &quot;Individual characteristics&quot; section, though.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Information about Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Can admins add information about Goodra since the page is locked, thank you and remember it is the only pseudo-legendary to have one type: Dragon (which it usually had). [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 04:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;All pseudo-legendary Pokémon have appeared in the anime&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Which isn't true, now that we have Goodra with Gen VI. Alteration, maybe? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 05:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :By the end of any given generation, all Pokemon (regardless of pseudo-legendary status) have appeared in the anime except Porygon2 and Porygon-Z, so I feel like saying that on this page is unnecessary altogether. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can any admin turn these sprites into artwork since the page is protected. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Admins, since we're in Generation VI, could you turn sprites into artwork so that is my commet above. And turn Goodra's Dream World artwork into a Sugimori artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks, one down, six to go, can you turn Dragonite, Tyraniter, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp and Hydreigon's sprites into artwork? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 05:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have any 4× weaknesses. ==<br /> <br /> This is false. With the introduction of Goodra, Metagross is no longer the only pseudo-legendary with 4x weaknesses. Goodra has only one type, and therefore can't have any 4x weakness. I would edit this myself, but I can't. [[User:Svolur|Svolur]] ([[User talk:Svolur|talk]]) 04:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Error regarding Sliggoo ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are obtainable in the wild strictly in their first form for the first paired games of their generation.&quot; This is not true since in X/Y there are wild Sliggoo. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:59, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;Due to having the same typing as Dragonite, Salamence differs itself by being entirely focused on attacking prowess. It's stats are high in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed, while comparatively low in both Defense stats.&quot; Please correct that &quot;it's&quot; and ban whoever wrote it. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Another typo on the page: &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot;. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] ([[User talk:Raijinili|talk]]) 09:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == A few changes... ==<br /> <br /> :1. (3.2.8 Other) Dragonite and Tyranitar's Special Defenses of 100 pale in comparison to Goodra's 150.<br /> :2. (3.3 Users) Last I checked, Shauna is neither an Elite 4 member nor a Champion, and so should probably be included in the second list (which, by the way, already has more than three examples, with two of them being outside of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum).<br /> :3. (4 In the anime) &quot;newly introduced&quot; should be changed to &quot;newly-introduced&quot;. <br /> Thanks. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :On that last one — it's incorrect to use a hyphen after a -ly word, per AP style guidelines. I quote from the AP Stylebook 2012, page 301 of the punctuation guide, under the entry on hyphens: ''&quot;COMPOUND MODIFIERS: When a compound modifier — two or more words that express as single concept — precedes a noun, use hyphens to link all the words in the compound except the adverb very and all adverbs that end in -ly.&quot;'' [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah! You learn something new every day. Also, a few more things:<br /> :::4. (2 Characteristics) That second paragraph needs rewriting; I propose: &quot;The base stages of pseudo-legendary Pokémon have base stat totals of 300, while their first evolutions have base stat totals of 420, excluding Pupitar and Gabite, which have 410. In general, pseudo-legendary Pokémon have Attack as their highest stat. This is not the case with Hydreigon and Goodra, which have Special Attack and Special Defense as their highest stats, respectively.&quot;<br /> :::5. (3.2.1 Dragonite) The last sentence should be removed, what with the very affectionate, and might I add adorable, Goodra.<br /> :::6. (3.3 Users) It should be somehow mentioned that in Black and White 2's Challenge Mode, Caitlin's use of Metagross extends to her first battle.<br /> ::-- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|&lt;sub&gt;talk&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Did 5 and 6. I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. 1 was dealt with ages ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goomy line's catch rate ==<br /> <br /> It was confirmed that the Goomy line's catch rate is 20, not 45, will admins add information about the catch rates because this line and the Beldum line do not have a catch rate of 45. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 02:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Oh sorry, we don't know the Goomy line's catch rate until the catch rates of Kalos Pokémon are from the official sources, my bad. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Spelling and the Goomy line==<br /> Because Legendary Pokémon are spelled as 'legendary', could someone change it to 'Legendary' according to a user's Pokémon Syntax? Also, the Goomy line are not next to the Legendary Pokémon and Sliggoo doesn't have a BST of 420, which instead had a BST of 452. --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 07:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :I'm happy to leave &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; as that, since it's a fan term and doesn't necessarily have to fit the same capitalization standard as &quot;Legendary Pokémon&quot;. This is mainly because I don't feel like going through and doing all the relinking though—it would be way easier conceptually if it was written as &quot;pseudo-Legendary&quot;. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Additional fact ==<br /> <br /> Under the list of exceptions to the Elite Four and Champions being the only people to use pseudo-legendaries, can someone add that Roark uses a Tyranitar during the rematches at the Battleground in Platinum? [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :That whole exceptions section was meant to be for only the three Trainers in DPPt that used pseudo-legendaries, but it just kept building up with examples from other games. I've removed it, since it is no longer accurate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokédex placement ==<br /> <br /> &quot;With the exception of the Garchomp and Hydreigon evolutionary lines, pseudo-legendary Pokémon are usually situated adjacent to the legendary trios in the Pokédexes of their respective generations&quot;<br /> <br /> This line actually isn't correct anymore, the Goodra line is next to Karrablast and Quagsire in regional, with Klefki in national. And since it's only one 4/7 of the Pokémon, I don't think it's really notable anymore. -[[User:IVsaur|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightbrown&quot;&gt;EVs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:black&quot;&gt;and&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;IVsaurs&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Correct. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:56, 3 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::I have removed the entire &quot;Characteristics&quot; section because it was just making statements that kept building up more and more exceptions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This Page Should Be Deleted ==<br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;Rolls Eyes* This is a wiki, and wikis deal in factual information, not user-created lists and categories... By this logic, every wiki for game that have mod support should have an individual page for every user-created mod. I don't see a legitimate reason as to why this page should exist, as it in no way fits in with the content template every page on Bulbapedia is based off of... [[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 21:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#What???|What???]]. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::This page desribes a clear pattern of Pokémon that Game Freak has put into the game. We just use he fan name to describe them, because there is no official one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Does three stage evolution really matters? ==<br /> <br /> I got a doubt, does three stage evolution really matters, because many pokemon like heracross has a base stat of 600 and is a dual Bug/Fighting type. Its signature move Megahorn is the most powerful bug type move, and it's movepool contains some powerful moves like Earthquack and Focuspunch with its base stat comes par with legendary pokemon and even has 4x damage on celebi. [[User:Tgage|Tgage]] ([[User talk:Tgage|talk]]) 12:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it does, it is a vital part of the definition. By the same logic, you could ask if the 600 base stat total really matters.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 13:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dragonite's height ==<br /> <br /> I saw that Tyranitar and Goodra are not the tallest non-Mega Evolved pseudo-legendary Pokémon, Dragonite is according to its height, could someone change it now? --[[User:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:pink&quot;&gt;Cinday123&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:Cinday123|&lt;span style=&quot;color:lightblue&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]])''&lt;/small&gt; 04:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Fixed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Miss a trainer ==<br /> <br /> Colress had a Metagross in his final match in Plasma Frigate --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 21:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == salamence ==<br /> <br /> salamence is used by iris during rematches--[[User:Just a simple edit|Just a simple edit]] ([[User talk:Just a simple edit|talk]]) 20:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor fix - Bad wikilink on Garchomp ==<br /> <br /> Should instead link to the subheading which Garchomp is under; http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences#Generation_IV_Pok.C3.A9mon instead of just a link to the page.{{unsigned|Pokepro97}}<br /> <br /> ==Edit request==<br /> In Metagross's section under individual characteristics, it says that Metagross is the only pseudo-legendary Pokemon to not be used by Lance, but this isn't the case since Goodra has been introduced (as far as I know). Could someone remove or edit that line? [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Averages ==<br /> <br /> As far as I'm concerned, the current base stat averages for this page are outdated. They do not take Goodra's stats into account, only averaging the Base stats of all pseudo-legendaries up to Hydreigon. From my calculations, the Base Stats averages (with Goodra's base stats into account) currently are an average HP stat of 93.71, an average Attack of 127.57, an average Defense of 95.71, an average Special Attack of 102.14, an average Special Defense of 99.29, and an average Speed of 84.43. If someone could update the Base Stat averages with these that would be neat. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|AmourShipper]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 03:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;A weaknesses&quot;...? ==<br /> <br /> In the Metagross subsection, one of the sentences says: &quot;Only pseudo-legendary Pokémon to not have a weaknesses(Note the &quot;es&quot; at the end of &quot;Weakness&quot;) to Fairy-type moves.&quot;<br /> <br /> &quot;a weaknesses&quot; sounds incorrect, and it must be &quot;a weakness&quot;. Thanks! --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Hydreigon ==<br /> <br /> Hydreigon is confirmed to have a double weakness to Fairy, unlike other psuedo-legendaries(Please note the Metagross is not weak to Fairy). --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 16:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Base Stat Comparison ==<br /> <br /> Perhaps we could have a chart showing a comparison of their base stats like the Legendary pages and others have? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Guess no? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it's a decent idea, although it would require the creation of a new template. Currently we have {{template|fivepokemonstats}} and {{template|Groupstats/8}}, but nothing for 7. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, it'll be easy to make. 8 started as 7 and was moved and modified for 8 with Sylveon's release. I'll grab the coding from a previous revision and take care of it now. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, my memory is crap, not how it went at all. Still, looks like we did have [[Template:Groupstats/7]] at one time. Can we restore that? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Oh, didn't even realize it used to be a thing. I should have, since I was involved in it, but oh well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Goodra ==<br /> <br /> Following the evolution of Ash's Sliggoo, the anime section is going to need updating. I'd do it myself but the page is protected. -'''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 18:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :[[File:132Ditto.png|50px]] --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 17:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::Done. If you have any suggestions on better wording, let me know.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::Not to be nitpicky, but I think the sentence at the beginning of the anime section also needs to have the part about Goodra removed from it. [[User:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''AGG''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#858585;&quot;&gt;''RON''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#444444;&quot;&gt;''989''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rotating pictures for &quot;In the anime&quot; section ==<br /> <br /> [[File:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Iris Dragonite|1=Dirk Tyranitar|2=Salamence anime|3=Rebecca Metagross|4=Cynthia Garchomp|5=Cameron Hydreigon|6=Ash Goodra|}}.png|thumb|right|200px|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 7}}|0=Dragonite|1=Tyranitar|2=Salamence|3=Metagross|4=Garchomp|5=Hydreidon|6=Goodra|}} in the anime]] Can someone update the picture in the anime section so it would rotate between all of the Psudo-legendary Pokémon instead of only showing one of them, like so?<br /> --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> :Rotating images are bad. Readers have no idea that the image rotates. Either stick them all in a gallery, or just pick one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stats ==<br /> <br /> The base stat averages don't take into account Goodra's stats. The stat averages should be updated to:&lt;br&gt;<br /> HP: 93.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Attack: 124.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Defense: 95.71&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Atk: 102.14&lt;br&gt;<br /> Sp. Def: 99.29&lt;br&gt;<br /> Speed: 84.43&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[User:Lillihaxo|Lillihaxo]] ([[User talk:Lillihaxo|talk]]) 08:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos Dex ==<br /> <br /> The Metagross line is the only one not in the Kalos Dex. [[User:SirOni|SirOni]] ([[User talk:SirOni|talk]]) 23:25, 28 October 2015 (UTC)SirOni<br /> <br /> == Edit request for definition of &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot; ==<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage [[evolution]] line, [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]], and a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.<br /> <br /> Other variations of the definition omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.&quot; <br /> <br /> should become<br /> <br /> &quot;'''Pseudo-legendary Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|擬似伝説|ぎじでんせつ}}''' ''pseudo-legendary'') is a fan term commonly used to refer to any [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] that is not in the [[Undiscovered (Egg Group)|Undiscovered Egg Group]] and has a [[base stats|base stat]] total of exactly {{cat|Pokémon with a base stat total of 600|600}}. Currently, all pseudo-legendary Pokémon have exactly two [[evolution|pre-evolutions]] which can only evolve by leveling up past a certain [[level]] and [[Experience#Slow|1,250,000 experience at level 100]]. The term originates from the prefix ''pseudo-'', which means &quot;false&quot;. Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than many other non-[[Legendary Pokémon]] due to their high base stats.&quot;<br /> <br /> The BST of 600 matters because anything less would make it less &quot;legendary&quot;. Legendary Pokemon are set apart by their lack of evolutionary relatives, inability to breed, and high stats. As long as a Pokemon meets the latter requirement and not the former two, wouldn't it make sense for it to be a pseudo-legendary Pokemon?<br /> <br /> [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 23:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It's fine as it is.<br /> :No, it's not okay for it to only have &quot;high stats&quot;. Psuedo-legendaries were ''originally'' (strong) Pokemon who came between ''legitimate'' Legendary Pokemon in the Pokedex but were not Legendaries themselves. The definition of &quot;psuedo-legendary&quot; is molded to conform to the strong pattern that those Pokemon showed: three stages, BST 600, slow experience.<br /> :If you want a broader definition, you need a ''different'' term. You simply can't just ignore &quot;pseudo-legendary&quot;'s history/baggage and change it completely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::So if they introduced a Pokemon that met my definition but not the one on the article, people wouldn't consider it pseudo-legendary, even if it just had a fluctuating growth rate instead of a slow one? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:48, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::It's not impossible that some day we could change our minds in some way. For now, there's no apparent reason for us to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::The definition was changed several times (removed the end-of-Pokedex requirement to include Garchomp, removed the dual type requirement to include Goodra), so if a Pokemon like the one I suggested were really introduced, wouldn't it be very likely that the definition will change again? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::::So does that mean I can't edit the article until such a Pokemon (or several such Pokemon) is introduced? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::::::That would be correct, because the current definition of pseudo-legendary has no reason to change right now. You are trying to change something to match your view, when the majority of the Pokémon fanbase would still be using the current definition. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 14:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Manga section ==<br /> <br /> A manga section for the pseudo-legendaries is missing. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> :On another note, the Dragonite from the Pokémon Origins anime could go here too as a pseudo-legendary has appeared in that medium. [[User:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Patty&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pattyman|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange&quot;&gt;Man&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Individual Characteristics ==<br /> <br /> I like how it says that Hydreigon and Tyranitar have a unique type combination of all the pseudo legendaries. Another interesting fact to add is that they are both Dark-types.</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tyranitar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2448605 2016-05-22T23:35:14Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Name origin */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>{| width=&quot;70%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;3&quot; cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{bulba color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{bulba color dark}}; {{roundy|100px}}; margin: auto;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{bulba color}}; {{roundy|100px}}&quot; | [[File:001Bulbasaur RG.png|100px]]<br /> | Due to special coding in place in the article, the artwork featured on this article will change every year on November 21 and October 15 in celebration of the releases of {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} in Japan, and {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} in the United States. This will only affect the artwork shown in the infobox. This changes every year, so when the time comes, &lt;span class=&quot;plainlinks&quot;&gt;[{{fullurl:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} {{color|{{link color}}|here}}]&lt;/span&gt; to return to the page and change the display.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Bias ==<br /> <br /> I edited this page because it appeared biased. Tyranitar are not evil Pokémon. As far as I know, the only truly evil Pokémon is {{p|Spiritomb}}. {{unsigned|Ettina}}<br /> <br /> == 3D Shiny? ==<br /> Kind of old but should it be noted that in both Pokemon Stadium games that Tyranitar's shiny status in them is pink? [[User:ShinyGlaceon|ShinyGlaceon]] 19:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Physiology Edit ==<br /> I edited the physiology to change &quot;roof and bottom of the mouth&quot; to &quot;upper and lower jaws&quot; because it sounded rather awkward before.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 06:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Special Abilities ==<br /> Under the description, it says, &quot;Like other Dragon Pokemon...&quot; Is this imply it is dragon-like or Dragon-type? If it is the latter, should it be changed? [[User:Sparky elemental|Sparky]] 14:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Tyranitar isn't a Dragon-type. Note that it actually says &quot;Like some Dragon Pokémon&quot;; i.e. that Tyranitar is being compared to Dragons. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 20:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Sorry, I misread it. [[User:Sparky elemental|Sparky]] 13:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Uh....... ==<br /> I think someone mentioned this on Metagross's talk page but doesn't Tyranitar, along with Dragonite, have a rare chance of appearing in the wild in B/W by shaking grass spots? Serebii says Route 15 but can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Black and White Locations ==<br /> <br /> I have Pokemon White version and I caught a Tyranitar at lvl 50 in Route 15, where all those hiker people are and you have to use strength on the boulders. It's hard to find though, it's rare. There are also wild Pupitars too, they're slightly rare.<br /> <br /> [[User:Nyororas|Nyororas]] 07:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It's there already. --[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#424B50&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#848A8D&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E3CED0&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EDDFE0&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == What looks like a pupitar is on tyrantar's chest. ==<br /> <br /> Should we include this in physiology? [[User:Nightgrey|Nightgrey]] 03:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> :No.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#424B50&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#848A8D&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E3CED0&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EDDFE0&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:54, 18 May 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Highest Base stat Total ==<br /> <br /> Shouldn't it be noted that he has the highest base stat total of all Rock type, Despite that he is not a legendary Pokmeon<br /> Also the same for Dark types along with Hydreigon. --[[User:Hydra3dragon|$%$HYDRA3DRAGON$%$]] ([[User talk:Hydra3dragon|talk]]) 06:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tyranitar's armor ==<br /> <br /> Have any of you guys notice that Tyranitar's upper armor is not connected to the lower armor.[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 13:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato<br /> :Do you have a point? [[User:Nepse|Nepse]] ([[User talk:Nepse|talk]]) 13:02, 30 March 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Origin specificity? ==<br /> <br /> Shouldn't it be mentioned more specifically that Tyranitar is also based off a {{wp|Tyrannosaurus}} like Godzilla was? Or is that a bit much? Just wondering since the way it was written seems fine, but someone said in an edit about the whole T-rex thing. I don't know. :/ ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 19:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Isn't the reference to Godzilla not supposed to be there unless explicitly stated? Volcarona, Hydreigon, and the Nidos have the're pop culture character referennces removed. [[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 19:40, 29 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability Gen VI ==<br /> <br /> In my version of Y I have a tyranitar which seems to have the wrong ability as it has Unnerve as its main ability despite this page saying its hidden ability should be unnerve and its main sand stream (which mine doesn't have) Is this a change in Gen VI and if so does the page need editing? [[User:Cjmorgs|Cjmorgs]] ([[User talk:Cjmorgs|talk]]) 17:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :How can you tell that Unnerve is its main Ability??--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 17:41, 15 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::You just caught one with its Hidden Ability. Pokémon in Horde Encounters and the Friend Safari have a chance of having their Hidden Abilities. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 17:44, 15 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> a) It doesn't have sand stream and b) unnerve is the actual ability displayed on its summary [[User:Cjmorgs|Cjmorgs]] ([[User talk:Cjmorgs|talk]]) 19:20, 15 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :A Hidden Ability is just an ability that you need to get in a special way (for example Dream World/Hidden Grottos in Generation V and Friend Safari and Horde Encounters in Gen VI). They are not actually hidden on each particular Pokémon. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900&quot;&gt;'''It's'''&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC66FF&quot;&gt;'''Funktastic~!'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99CCFF&quot;&gt;''話してください''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;]] 19:25, 15 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> I thought if a pokémon had its hidden ability it had two abilities. Am I wrong? [[User:Cjmorgs|Cjmorgs]] ([[User talk:Cjmorgs|talk]]) 19:29, 15 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> :You don't seem to know how the [[Ability]] system works. A Pokémon with its Hidden Ability can never use its normal Ability/ies and vice versa.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 19:31, 15 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> I apologise profusely! I haven't had any of the Gen V games so I skipped over the hidden abilities when they were first introduced. I thought the hidden ability was extra if obtained and the pokémon would have two. Sorry for any confusion guys :/ [[User:Cjmorgs|Cjmorgs]] ([[User talk:Cjmorgs|talk]]) 19:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sp.Def Calculation ==<br /> <br /> I thought I had figured out a awesome use for Assault Vest with Tyranitar, but it seems the guys over at smogon beat me to it.<br /> <br /> Anyways, I know a Tyanitar with fully invested Sp.Def and a Sp.Def increasing nature gives it a Sp.Def of 328. The vest gives Tyranitar 50% more Sp.Def which would be 492. Even without the vest, its ability to summon a sandstorm, and then sandstorm's effect of increasing the Sp.Def of Rock type Pokémon by 50% by itself. With a combination of both, right out of the starting gate Tyranitar gets 100% more Sp.Def<br /> <br /> The thing is, everywhere I look I see 738 as the magical number, but shouldn't it be 656? 328 + 100% (or 328 x 1.5) should = 656 the only way you can get 738 is if you take 328 x 1.5 which = 492, and then you timed 492 by 1.5 which would = 738.<br /> <br /> I'm not the best at math, but which is it? 656 or 738? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:20, 2 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Well, I'm a math major and it's 738 (328 × 1.5 × 1.5). It's very simple; AV multiplies it by 1.5 and then sandstorm multiplies it by 1.5. All stat boost combinations, such as Huge Power + Choice Band and Unburden + Agility, are calculated this way.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 08:57, 2 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::In other words, Yamitora, both boosts don't give 50% of the original. The second boost gives 50% of the already-boosted stat. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:34, 2 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::Ok I see now, thank you for clearing that up. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Seven Starting Moves ==<br /> <br /> As far as I know, Pokemon can only learn 4 moves at a time. I don't own any of the games, so I cannot determine what ttar actually starts with. Anyone mind changing this? [[User:Smurfton|Smurfton]] ([[User talk:Smurfton|talk]]) 21:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> :If a Pokémon has more than 4 starting moves, then you'll have to use a heart scale(or tiny mushroom in LG/FR) to learn that move. What it really means is that while the Pokémon CAN learn the move, it won't have the move without outside intervention on the trainers part. Does that help clear things up for you? ([[User:Arcalargo|Arcalargo]] ([[User talk:Arcalargo|talk]]) 12:56, 7 December 2014 (UTC))<br /> ::Yes.[[User:Smurfton|Smurfton]] ([[User talk:Smurfton|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Name origin ==<br /> <br /> I know that Larvitar comes from larva, Pupitar comes from Pupa and Tyranitar comes from Tyrannosaurus, but what does the &quot;tar&quot; mean?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pupitar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2448604 2016-05-22T23:34:32Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Name origin */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>{| width=&quot;70%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;3&quot; cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{bulba color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{bulba color dark}}; {{roundy|100px}}; margin: auto;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{bulba color}}; {{roundy|100px}}&quot; | [[File:001Bulbasaur RG.png|100px]]<br /> | Due to special coding in place in the article, the artwork featured on this article will change every year on November 21 and October 15 in celebration of the releases of {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} in Japan, and {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} in the United States. This will only affect the artwork shown in the infobox. This changes every year, so when the time comes, &lt;span class=&quot;plainlinks&quot;&gt;[{{fullurl:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} {{color|{{link color}}|here}}]&lt;/span&gt; to return to the page and change the display.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> == Name origin ==<br /> <br /> I know that Larvitar comes from larva, Pupitar comes from Pupa and Tyranitar comes from Tyrannosaurus, but what does the &quot;tar&quot; mean?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Larvitar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2448336 2016-05-22T04:18:29Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Name origin */</p> <hr /> <div>{| width=&quot;70%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;3&quot; cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{bulba color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{bulba color dark}}; {{roundy|100px}}; margin: auto;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{bulba color}}; {{roundy|100px}}&quot; | [[File:001Bulbasaur RG.png|100px]]<br /> | Due to special coding in place in the article, the artwork featured on this article will change every year on November 21 and October 15 in celebration of the releases of {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} in Japan, and {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} in the United States. This will only affect the artwork shown in the infobox. This changes every year, so when the time comes, &lt;span class=&quot;plainlinks&quot;&gt;[{{fullurl:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} {{color|{{link color}}|here}}]&lt;/span&gt; to return to the page and change the display.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Edit Request==<br /> Larvitar anime pokedex entry beneathe-within, plz. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Johto Safari Zone Rate Data==<br /> {|<br /> |Start time:<br /> |6:21 AM (morning)<br /> |-<br /> |Area:<br /> |Mountain<br /> |-<br /> |Blocks:<br /> |none<br /> |-<br /> |Sample size:<br /> |30 Safari Balls<br /> |-<br /> |Appearance Rate:<br /> |12 / 145 ('''8.276%''' of pokemon encountered were Larvitar)<br /> |-<br /> |Catch Rate:<br /> |0 / 30<br /> |-<br /> |Flee Rate:<br /> |11 / 29 (Larvitar fled '''37.951%''' of the time)<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Data'''<br /> <br /> {|<br /> |Encounter # <br /> |Pokemon<br /> |-<br /> |001<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |002<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |003<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |004<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |005<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |006<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |007<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |008<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |009<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |010<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |011<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |012<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |013<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |014<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |015<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |016<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |017<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |018<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |019<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |020<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |021<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |022<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |023<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |024<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |025<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |026<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |027<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |028<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |029<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |030<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |031<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |032<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |033<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |034<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |035<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |036<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:30AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 1<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 2<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 3<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 4<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 5<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |037<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |038<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |039<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |040<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |041<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |042<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |043<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |044<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |045<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |046<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |047<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:35AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 6<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 7<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |048<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |049<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |050<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |051<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |052<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |053<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |054<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |055<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |056<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:39AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 8<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 9<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 10<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 11<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 12<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |057<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |058<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |059<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:41AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 13<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |060<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |061<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |062<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |063<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:43AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 14<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 15<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 16<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 17<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 18<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |064<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |065<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |066<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:45AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 19<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |067<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |068<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |069<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:46AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 20<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |070<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |071<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |072<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |073<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |074<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |075<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |076<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |077<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |078<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |079<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |080<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |081<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |082<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:50AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 21<br /> | NO<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |083<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:50AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 22<br /> | NO<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 23<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |084<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |085<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |086<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |087<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |088<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |089<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |090<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |091<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |092<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |093<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |094<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:54AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 24<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |095<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |096<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |097<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |098<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |099<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |100<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |101<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |102<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |103<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |104<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |105<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |106<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |107<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |108<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |109<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |110<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |111<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |112<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |113<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |114<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |115<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |116<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |117<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |118<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |119<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |120<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |121<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |122<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |123<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |124<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |125<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |126<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |127<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |128<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |129<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |130<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |131<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |132<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |133<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |134<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |135<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |136<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |137<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |138<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |139<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |140<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |141<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |142<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (7:07AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 25<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 26<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 27<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 28<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |143<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |144<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |145<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (7:08AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 29<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 25<br /> | No<br /> | N/A<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> [[User:M.Shepherd|M.Shepherd]] 16:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Look, that's nice, but our encounter rates are found by extracting data from the game, not through large-scale trials. If you were trying to prove something else, pleese reply here, because I don't know what your point is. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:10, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::This isn't large-scale. It's a point of reference for people who don't want to wait for every aspect of the game to be reverse engineered. [[User:M.Shepherd|M.Shepherd]] 19:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Evolution?! ==<br /> <br /> I found a video on youtube (which I immediately lost, sorry) which showed a picture of an upcoming magazine containing info on [[X &amp; Y]], and it shows Larvitar evolving into Pupitar, followed by TWO evolutions of Pupitar, one of which being Tyranitar, and the other being a silhouette. There's no info of this on the page, though I guess it might belong on Pupitar's page, so... am I the first to find it, or am I slow (as usual)? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 02:46, 17 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's highly likely that what you found is nothing more than a hoax. However, if you can find the video again and give us a link to it, we will look it over and let you know if it's a hoax or official. - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 22:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Ba-bam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B8f3BHX-Vo [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 00:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Actually I think this is the one I watched... the first one looks a lot faker. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9WamXLc4EA [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 00:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Just did a little more research, apparently it's [[Mega Evolution|Mega Tyranitar]]... [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 00:23, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::The video was posted on April 1st, and the video they used was from the reveal of Mega Mewtwo. The magazine scan the poster is showing is blatantly fake. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:52, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Name origin ==<br /> <br /> I know that Larvitar comes from larva, Pupitar comes from Pupa and Tyranitar comes from Tyrannosaurus, but what does the &quot;tar&quot; mean?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 04:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Larvitar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2448335 2016-05-22T04:17:36Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Name origin */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>{| width=&quot;70%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;3&quot; cellspacing=&quot;3&quot; style=&quot;background:#{{bulba color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{bulba color dark}}; {{roundy|100px}}; margin: auto;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:#{{bulba color}}; {{roundy|100px}}&quot; | [[File:001Bulbasaur RG.png|100px]]<br /> | Due to special coding in place in the article, the artwork featured on this article will change every year on November 21 and October 15 in celebration of the releases of {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} in Japan, and {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} in the United States. This will only affect the artwork shown in the infobox. This changes every year, so when the time comes, &lt;span class=&quot;plainlinks&quot;&gt;[{{fullurl:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} {{color|{{link color}}|here}}]&lt;/span&gt; to return to the page and change the display.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Edit Request==<br /> Larvitar anime pokedex entry beneathe-within, plz. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 14:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Johto Safari Zone Rate Data==<br /> {|<br /> |Start time:<br /> |6:21 AM (morning)<br /> |-<br /> |Area:<br /> |Mountain<br /> |-<br /> |Blocks:<br /> |none<br /> |-<br /> |Sample size:<br /> |30 Safari Balls<br /> |-<br /> |Appearance Rate:<br /> |12 / 145 ('''8.276%''' of pokemon encountered were Larvitar)<br /> |-<br /> |Catch Rate:<br /> |0 / 30<br /> |-<br /> |Flee Rate:<br /> |11 / 29 (Larvitar fled '''37.951%''' of the time)<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> '''Data'''<br /> <br /> {|<br /> |Encounter # <br /> |Pokemon<br /> |-<br /> |001<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |002<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |003<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |004<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |005<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |006<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |007<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |008<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |009<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |010<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |011<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |012<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |013<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |014<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |015<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |016<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |017<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |018<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |019<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |020<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |021<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |022<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |023<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |024<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |025<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |026<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |027<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |028<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |029<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |030<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |031<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |032<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |033<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |034<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |035<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |036<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:30AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 1<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 2<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 3<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 4<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 5<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |037<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |038<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |039<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |040<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |041<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |042<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |043<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |044<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |045<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |046<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |047<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:35AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 6<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 7<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |048<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |049<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |050<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |051<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |052<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |053<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |054<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |055<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |056<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:39AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 8<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 9<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 10<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 11<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 12<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |057<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |058<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |059<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:41AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 13<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |060<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |061<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |062<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |063<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:43AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 14<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 15<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 16<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 17<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 18<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |064<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |065<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |066<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:45AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 19<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |067<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |068<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |069<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:46AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 20<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |070<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |071<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |072<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |073<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |074<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |075<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |076<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |077<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |078<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |079<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |080<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |081<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |082<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (6:50AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 21<br /> | NO<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |083<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:50AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 22<br /> | NO<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 23<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |084<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |085<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |086<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |087<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |088<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |089<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |090<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |091<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |092<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |093<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |094<br /> |Larvitar ♀ (6:54AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 24<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |095<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |096<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |097<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |098<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |099<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |100<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |101<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |102<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |103<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |104<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |105<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |106<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |107<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |108<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |109<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |110<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |111<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |112<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |113<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |114<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |115<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |116<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |117<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |118<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |119<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |120<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |121<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |122<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |123<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |124<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |125<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |126<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |127<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |128<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |129<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |130<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |131<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |132<br /> |Raticate<br /> |-<br /> |133<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |134<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |135<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |136<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |137<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |138<br /> |Magneton<br /> |-<br /> |139<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |140<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |141<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |142<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (7:07AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 25<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 26<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 27<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 28<br /> | No<br /> | Yes<br /> |-<br /> |143<br /> |Rattata<br /> |-<br /> |144<br /> |Lickitung<br /> |-<br /> |145<br /> |Larvitar ♂ (7:08AM)<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | Catch Attempt<br /> | Successful<br /> | Pokemon Fled<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 29<br /> | No<br /> | No<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> | 25<br /> | No<br /> | N/A<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> [[User:M.Shepherd|M.Shepherd]] 16:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Look, that's nice, but our encounter rates are found by extracting data from the game, not through large-scale trials. If you were trying to prove something else, pleese reply here, because I don't know what your point is. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:10, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::This isn't large-scale. It's a point of reference for people who don't want to wait for every aspect of the game to be reverse engineered. [[User:M.Shepherd|M.Shepherd]] 19:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Evolution?! ==<br /> <br /> I found a video on youtube (which I immediately lost, sorry) which showed a picture of an upcoming magazine containing info on [[X &amp; Y]], and it shows Larvitar evolving into Pupitar, followed by TWO evolutions of Pupitar, one of which being Tyranitar, and the other being a silhouette. There's no info of this on the page, though I guess it might belong on Pupitar's page, so... am I the first to find it, or am I slow (as usual)? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 02:46, 17 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :It's highly likely that what you found is nothing more than a hoax. However, if you can find the video again and give us a link to it, we will look it over and let you know if it's a hoax or official. - [[User:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#DA70D6;&quot;&gt;Kogoro&lt;/span&gt;''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''&lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot; style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;&quot;&gt;Talk to me&lt;/span&gt;''']] - 22:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Ba-bam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B8f3BHX-Vo [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 00:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Actually I think this is the one I watched... the first one looks a lot faker. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9WamXLc4EA [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 00:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Just did a little more research, apparently it's [[Mega Evolution|Mega Tyranitar]]... [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 00:23, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::The video was posted on April 1st, and the video they used was from the reveal of Mega Mewtwo. The magazine scan the poster is showing is blatantly fake. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:52, 18 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Name origin ==<br /> <br /> I know that Larvitar comes from larva, Pupitar comes from Pulaski and Tyranitar comes from Tyrannosaurus, but what does the &quot;tar&quot; mean?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 04:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wulfric&diff=2447285 2016-05-19T23:36:17Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Anime picture */ new section</p> <hr /> <div><br /> <br /> == Urup island ==<br /> i do not think that his japanese name comes from Urup Island, as the Gym Leaders this generation have names based on french words for plants and fruits, like in all the other generations. Want to know what has a place theme naming? The Gen. V starters. (Snivy = Snively, Tepig = Tepec, Oshawott = Oshawa.)<br /> <br /> == Anime picture ==<br /> <br /> Will you add Wulfric's anime picture?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rowlet_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2446859 2016-05-18T23:21:06Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Name origin */</p> <hr /> <div>==Rowlet's Design Origin==<br /> Sorry for editing Popplio earlier. I edited before it got restricted in editing. Anyways, since Gen VII seems to be based in Hawaii, I think Rowlet is based on the {{wp|Pueo}}, the Hawaiian Owl.—[[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 12:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> And the name of the region is not Aloha, it is Alola, from Aloha. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 12:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :It looks more like the {{wp|barn owl}}, which is the more populous kind of owl in Hawaii. &lt;small&gt;[[User:Glik|glik]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Glik|glak]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::to me they look like an owl and a coconut or other similar fruit/treenut cross bred. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::It's also not native, but introduced and a threat to native birds. But i digress, I concede that it is possibly based on the Barn Owl. But Pueo is more famous natively.— [[User:Naui|Naui]] ([[User talk:Naui|talk]]) 19:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I am almost certain it is a Forest Owlet. the markings are similar, the typing makes sense, and the japanese name is literally &quot;wood owl&quot;. i think its english name relating to the term for a baby owl is only 1 side of the reason for &quot;owlet&quot; given this information. --[[User:Puerluna|Puerluna]] ([[User talk:Puerluna|talk]]) 21:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Rowlet's Biology Section==<br /> &quot;Rowlet is an avian Pokémon that resembles a young owl. Its body is rounded in appearance, having no discernible head. A white facial disc frames its beady, dark eyes, and it has a short, stubby beak that is white on top and brownish-orange on the lower mandible. Most of its plumage is light brown in coloration, but it has white feathers at the base of its body. Part of its feathers are made of razor-sharp leaves, including a bow tie-like marking on the chin and its tail. There are also green feathers on the undersides of its wings that are revealed when they are spread. It's feet are brownish-orange with two claws facing forward and one pointing backwards. <br /> <br /> Rowlet is capable of twisting its head nearly 180 degrees, which allows it to look behind itself. It has impressively keen eyesight and can fly silently through the darkness of night. As it approaches an opponent, it attacks with either powerful kicks or a flurry of leaves launched from a distance.&quot;<br /> <br /> It would be easy to change the voice from &quot;it&quot; to &quot;they&quot; if that's what's preferred. [[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] ([[User talk:Togeknight|talk]]) 13:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Name Origins ==<br /> <br /> Rowlet may be a combination or Rowan (the tree) and Owlet<br /> [[User:Nosredna|Nosredna]] ([[User talk:Nosredna|talk]]) 13:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> In German, Bauz may be a combination of Baum (tree) and Kauz (owl).[[User:Dntpnc|Dntpnc]] ([[User talk:Dntpnc|talk]]) 17:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Type Effectiveness ==<br /> <br /> Since we have this Pokémon's type already, then we can add its type effectiveness (which should be the same as [[Hoppip_(Pokémon)#Type_effectiveness|Hoppip's]], for example). [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] ([[User talk:Mateussf|talk]]) 13:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> : We don't know if there will be any tweaking of the type matchups, so I imagine for now we should wait and see? [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 14:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's typing ==<br /> <br /> It seems that Rowlet is the second-ever starter Pokémon to have a secondary type in its base form, after {{p|Bulbasaur}}. Coincidentally, both are Grass-type. Should we note this?--[[User:Darthrai|Darthrai]] ([[User talk:Darthrai|talk]]) 14:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Nope. Now that there's two, it's not notable anymore. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::But shouldn't we note that the only two starters that are dual typed are both primary grass? --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:34, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::How is it not notable? It's a seven generation gap. Word it like &quot;Rowlet is the first Pokemon since Bulbasaur to be a dual-type starter&quot; or something. [[User:Aidanzapunk|&lt;span style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;'''Aidan the'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|&lt;span style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;'''Aura Master'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> Not unique is not notable. Since the situation is no longer unique, it is no longer notable. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I believe that Darthrai and Raltseye are right on this fact and so do I.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 17:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I also agree that it is worth noting that from all 7 generations of starters, this is only the second starter that has a secondary type in his primary form. --[[User:Basinox|Basinox]] ([[User talk:Basinox|talk]]) 17:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes and like I said it's only two out of twenty one starters that are dual typed and those two just so happen to be primary grass type and that is noteworthy in the trivia section according to me. --[[User:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF6464&quot;&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#11BB11&quot;&gt;alts&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Raltseye|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6464FF&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, there's a similar piece of trivia on the [[Starter Pokémon#Trivia|starter Pokémon]] page about name length and region rather than dual typing and primary typing. I can't really say if this point is notable or not, but if it is it should probably go there rather than on this page.--[[User:Cold|&lt;font color=&quot;teal&quot;&gt;Cold&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|&lt;font color=&quot;turquoise&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 19:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> The trivia is fine on the starter page, as that's where it's most relevant. It's simply not relevant here. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 12:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::BP has followed the &quot;policy&quot; that droughts are notable. Saying it has no relevance on Rowlet's own page makes no sense. --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 18:19, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :::Where has BP followed the &quot;policy&quot; that droughts are notable, if I may ask? AFAIK, that's only been in the anime. And as we are also fond of saying, the games are not the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::::Why is a drought considered notable in the anime but not in the games? 20 years and six generations later is a long time. Anime=/=Games is when saying &quot;Move X didn't work like the games&quot;, not trivia. --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 01:27, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> Again, it's just not relevant to this page. It's on the starter page and that's fine. We don't need to repeat trivia in multiple places. It has more relevant to the starter's as a whole than specifically to Rowlet. There's no point in arguing when it seems like there's already an agreeable compromise. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:41, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Many Pokemon pages have quite enough trivia on them already, we don't really want to open the door to even ''more'' by relaxing our standards for Pokemon trivia.<br /> :The following is solely my opinion:<br /> :Anime=/=games. Even for trivia (or at least this kind). In the anime, there are HUNDREDS of episodes. In the games, there are only SEVEN generations currently. That's an INCREDIBLE difference. What you're really saying about Rowlet is, it's the first dual-type since Generation I. But if you said in the anime that &quot;X&quot; is the first whatever since six episodes ago, that wouldn't be notable. And &quot;real time&quot; is not a relevant factor either; if Generation III had come, say FIFTY years after Generation I and Rowlet were a starter, that wouldn't at all make it relevant that Rowlet was the first dual-type since Bulbasaur. It's the iterations between them, the ''generations'', that matter. And seven is barely more than a handful. Talk to me when we have 15-20 generations. (Again, note that this is ''solely'' my own personal resolution of the difference between anime and games for droughts. It is not necessarily staff policy, but I do think it is solid logic.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:25, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's Number ==<br /> <br /> It's obvious they are not gonna' do a Victini situation again, so we might as well make it's number No. 722. {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}<br /> :No assumptions. If it's that &quot;obvious&quot;, people are free to assume it for themselves. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's Ability ==<br /> <br /> How do we know that it's ability will be Overgrow? I mean, sure, every grass starter has it, but every grass starter also has the same gender ratio, and that's still on the page as &quot;Unknown&quot;. Should we change one of the two? [[User:EnderBolt|EnderBolt]] ([[User talk:EnderBolt|talk]]) 18:31, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :[http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/rowlet/ It's officially revealed]. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 19:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::Whoops, my bad. [[User:EnderBolt|EnderBolt]] ([[User talk:EnderBolt|talk]]) 19:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;Rowlet is the only Grass-type starter Pokémon to be based on a bird.&quot; ... really? ==<br /> <br /> Why don't I add that Froakie's the only Water-type starter to be based on a frog? I'd remove it, but it appears I'm not allowed for some reason. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :&quot;Bird&quot; isn't a species, it's one of the basic animal groups, along with mammals, fish, reptiles, and amphibians. Saying Rowlet is the only bird Grass starter is analogous to saying that Chespin is the only mammal Grass starter. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 18:56, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: Well, one of the groups of VERTEBRATE animals, that is. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 03:45, 14 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Name origin ==<br /> <br /> I know the name Rowlet comes from owlet, but what about &quot;R&quot;?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 18:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :I heard someone say on twitter that it's round + owlet, and, well, it is pretty round.. [[User:EnderBolt|EnderBolt]] ([[User talk:EnderBolt|talk]]) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> ::I was thinking something similar to Roulette, which comes from the french Little Wheel.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> Would the &quot;R&quot; in Rowlet also come from Rowling as in J.R. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter books?<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Stymphalian Birds ==<br /> <br /> It seems to me that Rowlet is at least partially based on the Stymphalian birds from Greek mythology. They were known for attacking by shooting out their feathers as projectile weapons. Rowlet does the same thing, although his are leaves that double as his feathers and therefore ''are'' his feathers, as was detailed in the official information release on the Pokémon Sun and Moon website. Link to the Wikipedia page on the {{wp|Stymphalian birds}} here. [[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 19:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :we'll have to wait on further evolutions to get a better grasp on their basis. Also, it may be based on something more botanic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urticating_hair Urticating hairs or urticating bristles, i.e. irritating hairs, are one of the primary defense mechanisms used by numerous plants. Rowlet are a grass-type afterall. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 19:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia fact ==<br /> <br /> Here's a good trivia fact.<br /> <br /> '''Rowlet is the first Grass-type starter to be based on a bird.'''<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 01:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :That's pretty self-evident. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 01:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Official art ==<br /> <br /> Are we 100% sure that it's Sugimori's art this time around? Normally it'd be a no-brainer &quot;yes&quot;, but Ohmura has been doing a lot of human character art recently, and Rowlet's art more closely resembles his style (the linework is an especially noticeable giveaway). It could just be Sugimori changing up his style to match, but it's hard to know for sure. Has credit been officially listed somewhere? [[User:Silverlucario|Frezgle (Silverlucario)]] ([[User talk:Silverlucario|talk]]) 06:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Well nothing specifically mention, but this is the only artwork we have of Rowlet at the moment.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:11, 13 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Website ==<br /> <br /> Take this into consideration<br /> <br /> http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/rowlet/<br /> <br /> It has more info<br /> <br /> [[User:Dadijo2002|Dadijo2002]] ([[User talk:Dadijo2002|talk]]) 16:41, 15 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rowlet's face ==<br /> <br /> Rowlet's face has vague (or strong) resemblance to a mandorla, 2 overlapping circles making an almond shape in the middle. This symbol is commonly used to represent heaven and earth, which i feel is relevant to it as a grass/flying type. (on a similar note of symbols on the new pokemon, littens forehead stripes and large eyes bare high resemblance to formation of the symbol for brimstone, also called sulfur, an element naturally occurring in and around volcanoes and hotsprings)--[[User:Puerluna|Puerluna]] ([[User talk:Puerluna|talk]]) 13:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :We will keep this in mind if its evolutions seem to be based on Christian Priests or almondsl. --[[User:Basinox|Basinox]] ([[User talk:Basinox|talk]]) 14:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :mandorlas have more than just that one meaning, and beyond christianity, and i meant earth and heaven on a broader definition than &quot;mortal earth and biblical heaven&quot;. so sassy... --[[User:Puerluna|Puerluna]] ([[User talk:Puerluna|talk]]) 06:56, 17 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

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<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact: May (Anime) */</p> <hr /> <div>==Normal Starters==<br /> Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the &quot;main&quot; games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.<br /> ::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::Exactly. And that's why we have the &quot;special starters&quot; section. They are starters, but not as much so as the &quot;main game&quot; ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == To add to Trivia ==<br /> <br /> I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.<br /> :Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == To Remove from Trivia ==<br /> &quot;Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type.&quot; This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that &quot;usually&quot; is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are &quot;usually&quot; one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pikachu==<br /> <br /> Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?<br /> :Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Colosseum elemental starters ==<br /> <br /> Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat &quot;starter&quot; Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you &quot;you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?&quot;. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obediance ==<br /> <br /> I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow &quot;catch&quot; a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]<br /> :::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia overload? ==<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BB0000&quot;&gt;'''''~Toastypk'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#770077&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sup&gt;Loom.&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#4B5320;&quot;&gt;'''Moldy'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:Moldy orange|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#ED9121;&quot;&gt;'''Orange'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==No editing?==<br /> Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gen IV type-trumping==<br /> I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:<br /> *Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape. <br /> *Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type. <br /> *Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types). <br /> [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]<br /> <br /> ==Gary's Starter==<br /> Is the statement &quot;it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee&quot; the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> == Platinum ==<br /> <br /> It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;Tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;X, PEACE TO&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;THE DRAGONS AND&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;THE BEASTS&lt;/font&gt;]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> I felt it would be interesting to note that all of the starter's first evolutions have the same base stat total of 405, whereas the base and final forms vary greatly.<br /> :Every middle evolution, you mean? Definitely something to say. But the final forms' variance needn't be mentioned; it's not like they're Butterfree vs Arceus in terms of BST difference. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Second Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be a good idea to post the fact that in the anime, the protagonist's starter Pokémon actually has a type advantage over the rival's starter Pokémon other than the other way around? (Ash obviously had Pikachu whereas Gary had Squirtle) Seems relevant --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] 03:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :No. Basically what they did was say Gary had a MYSTERY OMGEEZ and then an EEVEE OMGEEZ YELOW and then BLASTOISE HAHA. And by that third point, in Johto, Ash's Charizard counted almost as much as Pikachu anyway, especially considering the battle the two had using those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto starters in HGSS? ==<br /> <br /> I just got all 16 badges, Oak gives me a HM08, but no starter. Do i have to do something beforehand? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :This sounds kind of forum-y to me, but you might have to do the Copycat event first - I read somewhere that you have to do that in order to get a Hoenn starter from Steven, at least. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::All events done ''except for red''. do i have to beat him firsT? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The mystical, amazing disappearing starter Pokemon! ==<br /> <br /> I could have sworn I saw this discussed somewhere before, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Oh well.<br /> <br /> Anyway, at some point in HGSS (not sure exactly when) the third starter Pokemon which wasn't chosen by the PC or the rival mysteriously vanishes from its place in Elm's lab. (The game text when the... whatever that machine is... is examined is something along the lines of, &quot;Hey! The third Pokeball is gone! Was it given to someone?&quot; though I can't be bothered to switch games in my DS to check for sure.) I figure that this is notable enough to go into the article, and I'd put it in there myself, but I quite honestly don't know if its disappearance is ever explained, and I figure that if it ''were'' explained that should go in the article too.<br /> <br /> Thoughts?/Anyone know what in the world happened to it? &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :If you're looking for a general discussion on this, head to the forums. Pedia-wise, the only thing we can really do is say that it vanishes and we don't know where to. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Nah, wasn't looking for a general discussion. I brought it up for the purpose of adding it into the article... And I haven't beaten the game yet, so I don't know if its disappearance is left unexplained, and that's why I didn't want to say that in the article (maybe it is explained, and I just haven't gotten that far yet!). I thought maybe someone else would have the answer so that it could be added to the article, definitively stating whether its disappearance was explained or not. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can someone please put these up? ==<br /> <br /> They're missing from the page. Pokabu's picture is the only one on there. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Was this ever confirmed? ==<br /> <br /> On the article it said &quot;In Pokémon Black and White, the regional professor, yet unnamed, will offer the player a choice of the Grass-type Tsutarja, the Fire-type Pokabu, or the Water-type Mijumaru. &quot; It's very likely this is true, but this was never confirmed so should we edit it?--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 18:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :It's been proven. There's even an official site of the game that confirms this. - [[User:050294|050294]] 23:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::I think what he means is, does the professor actually give it to the player, or is there a situation similar to DPPt, where they decide to take them and are allowed to keep them later, et cetera.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Yeah, that's what I mean.--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ranger &quot;starters&quot;? ==<br /> <br /> I just now noticed that the Ranger partner Pokemon weren't included in the page (but I remember them being on there before). But can they be considered starter Pokemon? They probably weren't the first Pokemon the player captured (except in the first ranger game), but they are the first Pokemon they get to keep for themselves. So can they still be considered starters?<br /> <br /> <br /> == Cheren &amp; Bel Starters ==<br /> <br /> <br /> Example: I choose Pokabu, Cheren will Choose Mijumaru and Belle will chose Tsutarja. But this is <br /> <br /> not confirmmed---[[User:Franztrovao]] July 24, 2010 - 18:10 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It '''''IS''''' confirmed ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Since I want no part in the edit war, I'm going to explain the trivia piece here:<br /> <br /> &lt;code&gt;<br /> As of [[Generation IV]], every '''starter-type''' in the main series (with the exception of {{p|Pikachu}}) has have one Pokémon in its final-stage of evolution to have a double weakness; {{p|Charizard}} is doubly weak to {{type|Rock}}, {{p|Swampert}} is doubly weak to {{type|Grass}} and {{p|Torterra}} is doubly weak to {{type|Ice}}.&lt;/code&gt;<br /> <br /> It doesn't say by generation. It says by starter ''type''. That means Fire, Water, and Grass.<br /> Charizard, Torterra, and Swampert are members of these respective types and have double weaknesses. The trivia, meaning-wise, is fine. (Unless one were to count Bulbasaur's Poison typing...)<br /> <br /> So yeah, if you're going to remove it, remove it for a different reason plz and thanks.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Mystery Dungeon initial Pokémon be considered starters? ==<br /> <br /> I've looked through Mystery Dungeon: Blue's manual, Bulbapedia's pages on all three sets of games, and the official Explorers of Sky webpage and have seen no mention of the initial Pokémon from MD as &quot;starters&quot;, just &quot;Hero Pokémon&quot; (for the player) and &quot;Partner Pokémon&quot; (for the partner). They seem to lack the basic criteria for being starters (the initial Pokémon owned by a ''trainer''), even more so than the Ranger's [[Partner Pokémon]] which were already deemed not to be starters. Now I'll admit I never even played through Blue fully (and never played the others), so there may be something in-game, but I think we should separate them into their own ''Hero and Partner Pokémon'' page or something, as they don't seem to belong here. '''[[User:Memo326|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#151B8D;&quot;&gt;Memo&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;i&gt;[[User talk:Memo326|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8D38C9;&quot;&gt;326&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt; 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Completely agree. I've fixed this page, but the navigation template needs to be modified still. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Yellow Evolution ==<br /> <br /> The article says that the rival's {{p|Eevee}} evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Flareon}} or {{p|Vaporeon}} depending on the outcomes of battles between the player and the rival. Specifically, which battles are important, and how do the results affect the evolution? It seems like this would be a useful thing to add to the article. I believe that if the player loses the first battle in Pallet Town, the {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into a {{p|Vaporeon}}, but this should probably be double-checked. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 20:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ive heard that if you win both battles, lose both battles, or lose one and win one, the outcome will be different. But im not that far in the game so I don't know the specific outcomes. --[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 21:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :It's explained in more detail [[Blue (game)/Yellow|here]]. Basically the results of the first two possible battles are summed. Two wins = Jolteon. One win and one loss/skip = Flareon. Two losses/One loss one skip = Vaporeon. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Lyra/Khoury ==<br /> <br /> Is it confirmed that Lyra and Khoury received their starters from Professor Elm or is it speculation? [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mystery Dungeon and Ranger starters ==<br /> <br /> I think we need to move the starters of Mystery Dungeon to Player character, because thats basically what they are, people you can play as. Also, the Ranger Pokemon should be removed because we already have the Partner Pokemon page, which contains the same information. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> :I agree with both. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that they should still be linked with {{template|main}}. Also, Rumble is in the same situation as PMD. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Trivia (yeah, I know it's a little big already) ==<br /> <br /> (First time, forgive me if I screw this up horribly)<br /> <br /> Since Pikachu knows Thundershock, Yellow is the only main series game in which the player's starter pokemon begins play with a STAB move. Incidentally, the Rival's starter also has a STAB move, as Eevee knows tackle and is of the normal-type. <br /> <br /> There's probably a better way of wording this. but I thought it was neat.<br /> 22:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)HH<br /> <br /> == Definition of starter Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> I've always thought of starter Pokémon as meaning the sets of three Pokémon that are given by the professor, not merely a Trainer's first Pokémon. I don't mind including Pikachu and Eevee, ''that'' much (although I'm still uncertain about them), adding Marill and Ralts, and calling things like [[Growlie]] &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; just seems wrong to me. If people really want to list Trainer's first Pokémon, then I think that page should be at {{redlink|first Pokémon}}; however, IMO starter Pokémon should refer only to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and maybe Pikachu and Eevee if you really want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Personally, I feel it's the Pokémon someone ''starts'' with. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree with Jo, even though the ones listed by SnorlaxMonster are treated completely different from the other &quot;first Pokémon&quot; from other media. Since this page is huge, maybe splitting into &quot;Starter Pokémon (main series)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (spin-off)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (anime)&quot; and &quot;Starter Pokémon (Adventures)&quot; could be taken into account but is not the best option. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 10:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::Splitting like that completely ignores the point. The idea is that the Pokémon I listed are a group of Pokémon, while this page just lists the first Pokémon of a bunch of Trainers. If we want to redefine starter Pokémon as &quot;the first Pokémon a Trainer owns&quot; rather than the traditional &quot;the three Pokémon that Trainers can choose from to start their journey&quot; and give the traditional grouping their own name, then while I wouldn't prefer it, it would be better than what we have now. What I'm saying is that we have a distinct group of Pokémon that the fandom have always called &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, and this page seems to have merged that group with everyone's first Pokémon. So regardless of what you want to call &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, the traditional starter Pokémon need a separate page from people's first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, I would define the starter pokemon as the sets of three plus Pikachu and Eevee. We categorize pokemon beyond their obvious classification by their secondary characteristics. Legendary Pokemon, other than those explicitly called out as such, are typically unique pokemon within the games that may or may not have a defining role in the story- even beginning trainers have a pretty good idea what you're talking about when you say &quot;legendary&quot;. Pseudo-Legendaries bear some explanation, but fall within obviously recognizable parameters- 600 base stats, typically a double weakness to something, general badassedness, etc. The &quot;starters&quot; of the main series of games are typically in line in terms of stats and evolutions without significant variation- It would not surprise me if next generation we had to call out Charizard and Typhlosion as the exceptions to the &quot;Fire/Fighting Rule&quot;. Spinoff series games should at best get their own page and at worst be merely mentioned on their own page. &quot;Games&quot; that are effectively pokedexes shouldn't be listed at all outside the article affirming their existence, as there is no meaningful way to interact with them. Eevee and Pikachu get to be the exceptions because they ''are'' the exceptions- the only main series game not to play by their own rules. You might not even list Eevee, as it's not technically an option for the trainer- It's not a &quot;starter&quot; pokemon, it's a &quot;rival&quot; pokemon.[[User:TheHateHat|TheHateHat]] ([[User talk:TheHateHat|talk]]) 04:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::I going to say that there needs to be a distinction between &quot;starter&quot; and &quot;first&quot;. For example, in the TCG a &quot;starter set&quot; is a set intended for people just starting to learn the TCG. However, it does not have to be their first TCG set, and their first TCG set is not necessarily a &quot;starter set&quot;. A &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; is a Pokémon given to Trainers when they begin their journey to get them started. Therefore, instances like Wally's Ralts are not starter Pokémon; it is his first Pokémon, and if people want that to have a page that's fine, but they shouldn't be here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I second that. The eighteen starter Pokémon from main series games must have an article of their own, they are a group of distinct Pokémon, always treated specially in every medium of the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Eevee in Yellow ==<br /> <br /> It seems strange to me that Eevee should be included as a starter Pokemon in Yellow on the bit at the bottom of pages about specific starter Pokemon. (Sorry don't know the correct technical term.) The player cannot start with Eevee. If the starter Pokemon of NPCs qualify for this definition of starter Pokemon then surely every known starter Pokemon for NPCs should be added to both of these sections in order to be logically consistent? If it is just because Blue is the rival of this game that his starter is notable why aren't the starters of Wally and Ethan/Lyra as NPCs? I understand their inclusion in the article but I don't understand how Blue's Eevee is any more notable than the starters of those two trainers, particularly not to the degree that it gets a mention at the bottom of the page when the others don't. [[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 17:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eevee was supposed to be player's starter, but Blue snatched it. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::But it is still not an option for the player to get it, which is more the point I feel. It is still not an option to start with. No matter what the storyline claims, the player was never &quot;supposed&quot; to get Eevee. Also, I'm not even sure the storyline DOES claim that.[[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Any Pokémon given by the Professor is a starter Pokémon, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fire Starter Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that there's a trend that all of the fire starters are all members of the Chinese Zodiac? There's been dragon (the Charmander line), rat (Cyndaquil being the fire '''mouse''' pokemon), rooster (the Torchic line), monkey (the Chimchar line), pig (the Tepig line), and just recently, dog (Fennekin being a fox). --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I say this is more opinion than fact. Yes, Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokémon but it isn't based on a mouse (or a rat). Fennekin, while based of a species of canines, isn't a dog. Though I agree with the others. So you could say I'm neutral/indifferent on this trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Yes, I know that Cyndaquil isn't based on an actual mouse, but the species name still counts and fox should be close enough to dog to count. --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shininess ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible that received starter in main series will be shiny?<br /> [[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 19:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> : Yes, it's the same probability as if you were to catch them in the wild (approximately 1/8192). [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto Starters for X and Y ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Soon afterwards, Professor Sycamore will give the player a choice between one of the classic Kanto starter Pokémon, whom, upon reaching their final stages, will have access to Mega Evolved forms, given the prequisite Mega Stone.&quot;<br /> <br /> This is more speculation than factual. We do not meet Professor Sycamore until Lumoise City. This was stated in the preview clips when he was released as well as stated on the main web site. Lumoise City is after the first Gym so the player has a good bit of play time before they ever meet Professor Sycamore in Lumoise. We also have not been given any information as to whether or not the Kanto Starters are Post Game hand outs like all other Non-Regional Starters are like in Pokemon Emerald and forward. Should probably wait for more information before saying we get two starters in the game since this has the makings of being post-game hand outs like they always end up. [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :While I do believe we should wait till we have more information on this, I thought we had more reason to believe that the Kanto starters weren't post-game hand outs. First of all, I don't believe they revealed post-game starters before during pre-release. And second, I believe in the Pokémon Direct, the man asked Masuda if there was going to be anything different about this game. Masuda then answered by talking about Sycamore giving out one of the Kanto starters. If it was post-game, that wouldn't be different from previous games at all. They even showed that picture with the three Kalos starters and the three Kanto starters. I think that the implication is that we're supposed to have 2 starters early on this time around. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you actually watched the Pokémon Direct, you would have heard that you get both starters near the beginning of the game. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::''&quot;In the past Pokémon games, the story began when the Pokémon Professor let you choose one of three Pokémon. However, in Pokémon X and Y your first partner Pokémon; Chespin, Fennekin, or Froakie; won't be given to you from the Professor but by your friend instead. Then you'll receive a different Pokémon from the Professor later on. What you get from the Professor is one of the partner Pokémon from the original Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue.&quot;'' 11:45 - 12:30<br /> :::No where does it say you get both at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the Professor isn't even in the starting town. We can't say for sure when you'll officially meet the Professor in-game. Even if the city itself is post-first gym, he might not be there. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == XY? ==<br /> <br /> Would you say the xy starters are not official starters because a professor doesn't give them to you? So they may not be deemed good enough for starter trainers? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :A starter Pokemon is a Pokemon a beginning Trainer starts their journey with. XY is clearly indicating that it doesn't matter where you get them from, as long as you start with it, it's a starter. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Friend Safari==<br /> <br /> Do the kanto starter first stage evos in the Friend Safari count as legitimately obtaining all three starter pokemon from a previous game? [[User:Yveltal0003|Yveltal0003]] ([[User talk:Yveltal0003|talk]]) 19:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tierno and Trevor ==<br /> <br /> Should their starters in XY be included? They don't pick from the three but they both only have two Pokemon when you first have a double battle with them and Serena. I think one of them's starter was Pikachu but I can't remember who. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think we can confirm what their actual Starter Pokémon are or when they got them, seeming they could of switched them before you battle them. Unless its explicitly stated, I think we should just say that there could be other options for Starter Pokémon than those given, although that's just my opinion on the matter. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Turn sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can anyone turn sprites into artwork because we're at Generation VI? Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Split ==<br /> <br /> SnorlaxMonster suggested this {{DL|Talk:Starter Pokémon|Definition of starter Pokémon|in an above section}}, but nothing came of it, so I'm slapping on the split template so that hopefully, even if no consensus comes of discussion, it'll go to the staff on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ the forum thread]. I propose that the traditional Grass/Fire/Water trios comprise an article, and all other Pokémon that Trainers in various media start with comprise another. I suggest ''Starter Pokémon'' and ''First Pokémon'', respectively, but any number of other names are also possible. The main thing is that the Grass/Fire/Water trios differ significantly from starting Pokémon in side games, the anime, the manga, etc. The two sets need to be treated separately.<br /> <br /> Whether to include the Pikachu and Eevee from Yellow is a bone of contention that I'd prefer not to overshadow this, but since it's relevant, I will give my opinion on it. Under no circumstances should Eevee be included, because it's the rival's, not the players. (Same conditions as Marill and Ralts.) Pikachu's more of a gray area, but it doesn't fill the same role statistically or in availability in any other game, so I feel it also doesn't belong with the Grass/Fire/Water trios despite being a starting Pokémon for the player in the main series.[[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The only issue I have with this is that there is still the issue of Orre and Pokétopia, though it sounds like under the proposal it would be a First Pokémon over a Starter Pokémon. My two cents is that there is a bit of gray area currently, though they are called &quot;the big three&quot; for Japanese players. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::If a &quot;starter Pokemon&quot; is something you get to choose, then none of Orre, Poketopia, or Yellow will count. Your &quot;first Pokemon&quot; is just something you're saddled with, then. I don't have a big problem with that sort of definition. As things stand, though, Poketopia's inclusion seems pretty dumb, to me. I like Colo and XD counting, because those actually have stories (like the main games) besides connecting with main games; but it doesn't seem that PBR has a story. It just seems like a glorified Pokemon Stadium. I'm not a fan of it &quot;counting&quot;, period, whether for &quot;starters&quot; (of whatever definition) or &quot;firsts&quot; (I think). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::P.S.: Oh, one can argue, though, that with XD's Eevee, you get your &quot;choice&quot; when you choose who to evolve Eevee into. And that at least includes Water and Fire (and then some), if not Grass. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::I feel as though &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; should refer only to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios. I can accept Pikachu and Eevee under some interpretations, but I really don't think they count. &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; is an official term, the problem is that it's difficult to find it actually defined (but I don't believe I've ever seen it used to describe Pikachu or Eevee); perhaps if somewhere the &quot;Kanto starter Pokémon&quot; is used to refer to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, that could count as excluding Pikachu and Eevee from being starters. Regardless, I think the generational elemental trios clearly share commonalities that Eevee and Pikachu do not. I don't even know if &quot;first Pokémon&quot; deserves a page, but I certainly think that info does not belong here. (Also, thanks for reviving my suggestion. I have a bunch that I've put forward in many places that even I've forgotten about, so it's always nice to see someone else take interest.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::While I feel like &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; usually refers to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios, I don't feel like special cases like Pikachu should be excluded/ignored (especially since Pokémon Yellow was a main series game). I don't agree with the rival's Pokémon being listed though, because they're never given to the player and thus technically not Starter Pokémon for us. It really depends how we're defining starter Pokémon, because if we're describing them as &quot;First Pokémon, distributed or given without having to catch them, usually by a Professor&quot; then Pikachu fits in that definition. Even if we decide to remove Pikachu and co. from the page, I'd at least like to see Pikachu listed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 20:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I find splitting Starter Pokémon from First Pokémon redundant. Not only do they have similar meanings, your starters are your first Pokémon, which is why they are called starters in the first place. Pikachu was your starter in Yellow despite not being a Fire, Water, or Grass type Pokémon. I don't get why we'd need to split the official and unofficial starters. If this proposal succeeds, I would start a new proposal to merge them. I strongly oppose the split. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::I agree. A starter Pokémon is not defined by type. That's just stupid. A starter Pokémon is a Pokémon that you START with. That doesn't mean it has to be a grass/fire/water at all! And, that also means that the rival's Eevee, Marill, or Ralts all count as well. It is the Pokémon that they START with. It's a fact. Deal with it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Starter Pokémon are called such because they are are started with. It is never stated that other Pokémon aren't starters, because they technically are. ''Start''er Pokémon. EDIT: If they are split, I think that everything but what the player starts with in the main series should be on starter, everything else on first. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 18:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC), edit time 18:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::In official materials, &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; always seems to be used to refer to the Grass-Fire-Water trios. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/chronicles-14-journey-to-the-starting-line/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/07_31-six-pack-attack/] [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-gb/pokemon/starters/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/10_01-following-a-maidens-voyage/] [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/16_12-new-placesfamiliar-faces/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/08_40-the-right-place-and-the-right-mime/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/super-smash-bros-brawl/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-emerald-version/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/explore-and-watch/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/black-white-cards]. I get that people would like the term to also refer to any Pokémon that any character has as their first Pokémon, but that is simply unsupported. The Grass-Fire-Water trios are clearly a distinct group, and they need a specific name to refer to them; officially, this has always been &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, which has also excluded any other Pokémon a character may have as their first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why is Marill on this page? ==<br /> <br /> Why is Marill on the page? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Because {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} has it. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 00:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh I see now, I miss read the entry.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::Just because Ethan/Lyra has it does not make it a starter IMO. same with Wally's Ralts. we might need to re-discuss this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia (Could be added to a trivia point speaking of egg group) ==<br /> <br /> ................. and Treecko and Charmander are the only starter pokemon to belonging to part dragon egg group. {{unsigned|Tgage}}<br /> :If two are in it, it's not unique and therefore not notable, even with the cool factors of dragons added to the equation. You could make a case for noting how Chimchar's the only one in Human-Like, but I think that may be the only one in a unique group. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] &lt;sup&gt;~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Mega Evolution Table==<br /> Could someone fix the table that shows the mega evolutions of all the starters? Currently they're all redlinks, but when I tried to fix it myself it messed up the images. [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos starters gender ratio ==<br /> <br /> Okay so I have played through both x and y a few diferent times here and only ONCE has there been a male fennekin. My fist play through of Y I choose fennekin and she was female. Shaunas Chespin was also female. Further more I have started quite a few different play through in X due to always losing my nuzlocks and first go my forkie was female and shaunas fennekin was also female. second time through my froakie was male but still shauna fennekin was female. Ive also gotten 3 resets in a row female chespin. <br /> I dont know about froakie and chespin but Im PRETTY POSITIVE fennekins line is 75% female. Ive only seen 1 male fennekin in a lets play on youtube as well out of about 5 lets plays Ive watched. <br /> Im also fairly certain that frokie's line is 50/50 on gender and maybe chespins. <br /> I dont belive anyone can go through the code as of yet but Id like some proof at its still 75% the starter is male. I believe the reason they did that in gen 2 was so starters were more rare if you didnt know about ditto but that trend has kinda gotten out dated with everyone knowing of ditto and such. <br /> So yeah I believe the gender ratio should be unknown of the kalos starters until we can get official proof of it. <br /> I will say I have not done any breeding of the starters yet but think Ill start filling up a box for each one and post my results.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Furry|Furry]] ([[User talk:Furry|talk]]) 02:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : All of the starters have always had the same gender ratio, so not only is it probably safe to assume that the Kalos starters are the same but also people have the ability to see the coding of the games and as such we come up with the gender ratios for the Pokemon.<br /> <br /> Also, almost all of the starters I have are male.--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 17:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos secondary triangle ==<br /> <br /> The Kalos starters have, in their final forms, two type triangles: Grass/Fire/Water and Fighting/Psychic/Dark. This is notable. Yet it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Starter_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;curid=1162&amp;diff=2134311&amp;oldid=2134310 was removed].<br /> <br /> But, you say: Dark is ''immune'' to Psychic rather than just being resistant. Well...so? Practically speaking, that is a trivial difference. If I put {{p|Braixen}} in against {{p|Chesnaught}}, Braixen has little to fear from Chesnaught's STAB moves whereas Chesnaught must fear any of Braixen's STAB moves. By the same token, if I put {{p|Greninja}} in against Braixen, Greninja has little to fear from Braixen's STAB moves whereas Braixen must fear any of Greninja's STAB moves. It's basically irrelevant that Greninja has ''even less'' to fear from Braixen than Braixen/Chesnaught do from Chesnaught/Greninja. The essential fact remains: by their typings (in their final forms), each of the starters has the advantage, ''both offensivley and defensively'', against another one of the starters in a triangular fashion.<br /> <br /> It is irrelevant that Dark is immune to Psychic. The essential fact of &quot;This Pokemon can do well against that one but not against the other one&quot; is exactly the same. Both triangles are valid and this second one deserves noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I think the inital trivia note on it before it was changed is valid<br /> ::* The Kalos starter Pokémon's secondary types ({{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}, and {{t|Dark}}) almost form another type-advantage triangle, being broken by the fact that the Dark type is immune to the Psychic type.<br /> : Someone changed it which ultimately caused it to become confusing and end up being removed as it was fine for however long it was on there until it was removed (after rewording).--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That I wouldn't mind since it's not stating that the Dark/Psychic/Fighting creates a triangle that is exactly like the Grass/Fire/Water cycle. In fact, it's why I decided to leave it there when it was added the first time before it was reworded.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't see how the immunity breaks this though. It still forms a type triangle. Am I missing something? --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 08:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::The triangle is where the types are super effective to one type and resists the other. I feel that this is evident by Game Freak's continual usage of Grass/Fire/Water for the past six generations. Dark does not resist Psychic, thus breaking the triangle.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Gender ==<br /> Isn't the starter Pokémon always the same gender as the player? If it is, should'nt it be added? <br /> [[User:Lokki]] [[User talk:Lokki|Talk]] 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :No, it isn't always the same. [[User:RandomDSplayer|RandomDSplayer]] ([[User talk:RandomDSplayer|talk]]) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting trivia fact about the Fire-type starters.<br /> <br /> '''There has been a superstition that the Fire-type starters are based on the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. Some of the information is false, like Cyndaquil and Fennekin based on the rat and dog.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Speculation/opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact: May (Anime) ==<br /> <br /> Trivia Fact: May (Anime)<br /> <br /> '''The only Kanto starter that May did not catch or obtain is Charmander.''' This is true because she already has Blaziken, a Fire starter native to Hoenn.<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :You say &quot;This is true because...&quot; as if we doubt you, we know what you're talking about. It's not notable, one out of three, and it's also expected since she already had Blaziken.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Forget what I said about May's Blaziken. What I meant to say why the fact is true is because May has a Bulbasaur (now a Venusaur) and a Squirtle (now a Wartortle), but not Charmander.<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:First_partner_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_1&diff=2442735 2016-05-12T23:42:48Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact: May (Anime) */</p> <hr /> <div>==Normal Starters==<br /> Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the &quot;main&quot; games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.<br /> ::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::Exactly. And that's why we have the &quot;special starters&quot; section. They are starters, but not as much so as the &quot;main game&quot; ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == To add to Trivia ==<br /> <br /> I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.<br /> :Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == To Remove from Trivia ==<br /> &quot;Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type.&quot; This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that &quot;usually&quot; is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are &quot;usually&quot; one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pikachu==<br /> <br /> Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?<br /> :Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Colosseum elemental starters ==<br /> <br /> Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat &quot;starter&quot; Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you &quot;you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?&quot;. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obediance ==<br /> <br /> I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow &quot;catch&quot; a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]<br /> :::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia overload? ==<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BB0000&quot;&gt;'''''~Toastypk'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#770077&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sup&gt;Loom.&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#4B5320;&quot;&gt;'''Moldy'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:Moldy orange|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#ED9121;&quot;&gt;'''Orange'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==No editing?==<br /> Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gen IV type-trumping==<br /> I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:<br /> *Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape. <br /> *Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type. <br /> *Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types). <br /> [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]<br /> <br /> ==Gary's Starter==<br /> Is the statement &quot;it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee&quot; the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> == Platinum ==<br /> <br /> It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;Tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;X, PEACE TO&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;THE DRAGONS AND&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;THE BEASTS&lt;/font&gt;]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> I felt it would be interesting to note that all of the starter's first evolutions have the same base stat total of 405, whereas the base and final forms vary greatly.<br /> :Every middle evolution, you mean? Definitely something to say. But the final forms' variance needn't be mentioned; it's not like they're Butterfree vs Arceus in terms of BST difference. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Second Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be a good idea to post the fact that in the anime, the protagonist's starter Pokémon actually has a type advantage over the rival's starter Pokémon other than the other way around? (Ash obviously had Pikachu whereas Gary had Squirtle) Seems relevant --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] 03:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :No. Basically what they did was say Gary had a MYSTERY OMGEEZ and then an EEVEE OMGEEZ YELOW and then BLASTOISE HAHA. And by that third point, in Johto, Ash's Charizard counted almost as much as Pikachu anyway, especially considering the battle the two had using those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto starters in HGSS? ==<br /> <br /> I just got all 16 badges, Oak gives me a HM08, but no starter. Do i have to do something beforehand? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :This sounds kind of forum-y to me, but you might have to do the Copycat event first - I read somewhere that you have to do that in order to get a Hoenn starter from Steven, at least. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::All events done ''except for red''. do i have to beat him firsT? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The mystical, amazing disappearing starter Pokemon! ==<br /> <br /> I could have sworn I saw this discussed somewhere before, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Oh well.<br /> <br /> Anyway, at some point in HGSS (not sure exactly when) the third starter Pokemon which wasn't chosen by the PC or the rival mysteriously vanishes from its place in Elm's lab. (The game text when the... whatever that machine is... is examined is something along the lines of, &quot;Hey! The third Pokeball is gone! Was it given to someone?&quot; though I can't be bothered to switch games in my DS to check for sure.) I figure that this is notable enough to go into the article, and I'd put it in there myself, but I quite honestly don't know if its disappearance is ever explained, and I figure that if it ''were'' explained that should go in the article too.<br /> <br /> Thoughts?/Anyone know what in the world happened to it? &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :If you're looking for a general discussion on this, head to the forums. Pedia-wise, the only thing we can really do is say that it vanishes and we don't know where to. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Nah, wasn't looking for a general discussion. I brought it up for the purpose of adding it into the article... And I haven't beaten the game yet, so I don't know if its disappearance is left unexplained, and that's why I didn't want to say that in the article (maybe it is explained, and I just haven't gotten that far yet!). I thought maybe someone else would have the answer so that it could be added to the article, definitively stating whether its disappearance was explained or not. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can someone please put these up? ==<br /> <br /> They're missing from the page. Pokabu's picture is the only one on there. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Was this ever confirmed? ==<br /> <br /> On the article it said &quot;In Pokémon Black and White, the regional professor, yet unnamed, will offer the player a choice of the Grass-type Tsutarja, the Fire-type Pokabu, or the Water-type Mijumaru. &quot; It's very likely this is true, but this was never confirmed so should we edit it?--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 18:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :It's been proven. There's even an official site of the game that confirms this. - [[User:050294|050294]] 23:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::I think what he means is, does the professor actually give it to the player, or is there a situation similar to DPPt, where they decide to take them and are allowed to keep them later, et cetera.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Yeah, that's what I mean.--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ranger &quot;starters&quot;? ==<br /> <br /> I just now noticed that the Ranger partner Pokemon weren't included in the page (but I remember them being on there before). But can they be considered starter Pokemon? They probably weren't the first Pokemon the player captured (except in the first ranger game), but they are the first Pokemon they get to keep for themselves. So can they still be considered starters?<br /> <br /> <br /> == Cheren &amp; Bel Starters ==<br /> <br /> <br /> Example: I choose Pokabu, Cheren will Choose Mijumaru and Belle will chose Tsutarja. But this is <br /> <br /> not confirmmed---[[User:Franztrovao]] July 24, 2010 - 18:10 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It '''''IS''''' confirmed ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Since I want no part in the edit war, I'm going to explain the trivia piece here:<br /> <br /> &lt;code&gt;<br /> As of [[Generation IV]], every '''starter-type''' in the main series (with the exception of {{p|Pikachu}}) has have one Pokémon in its final-stage of evolution to have a double weakness; {{p|Charizard}} is doubly weak to {{type|Rock}}, {{p|Swampert}} is doubly weak to {{type|Grass}} and {{p|Torterra}} is doubly weak to {{type|Ice}}.&lt;/code&gt;<br /> <br /> It doesn't say by generation. It says by starter ''type''. That means Fire, Water, and Grass.<br /> Charizard, Torterra, and Swampert are members of these respective types and have double weaknesses. The trivia, meaning-wise, is fine. (Unless one were to count Bulbasaur's Poison typing...)<br /> <br /> So yeah, if you're going to remove it, remove it for a different reason plz and thanks.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Mystery Dungeon initial Pokémon be considered starters? ==<br /> <br /> I've looked through Mystery Dungeon: Blue's manual, Bulbapedia's pages on all three sets of games, and the official Explorers of Sky webpage and have seen no mention of the initial Pokémon from MD as &quot;starters&quot;, just &quot;Hero Pokémon&quot; (for the player) and &quot;Partner Pokémon&quot; (for the partner). They seem to lack the basic criteria for being starters (the initial Pokémon owned by a ''trainer''), even more so than the Ranger's [[Partner Pokémon]] which were already deemed not to be starters. Now I'll admit I never even played through Blue fully (and never played the others), so there may be something in-game, but I think we should separate them into their own ''Hero and Partner Pokémon'' page or something, as they don't seem to belong here. '''[[User:Memo326|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#151B8D;&quot;&gt;Memo&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;i&gt;[[User talk:Memo326|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8D38C9;&quot;&gt;326&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt; 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Completely agree. I've fixed this page, but the navigation template needs to be modified still. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Yellow Evolution ==<br /> <br /> The article says that the rival's {{p|Eevee}} evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Flareon}} or {{p|Vaporeon}} depending on the outcomes of battles between the player and the rival. Specifically, which battles are important, and how do the results affect the evolution? It seems like this would be a useful thing to add to the article. I believe that if the player loses the first battle in Pallet Town, the {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into a {{p|Vaporeon}}, but this should probably be double-checked. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 20:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ive heard that if you win both battles, lose both battles, or lose one and win one, the outcome will be different. But im not that far in the game so I don't know the specific outcomes. --[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 21:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :It's explained in more detail [[Blue (game)/Yellow|here]]. Basically the results of the first two possible battles are summed. Two wins = Jolteon. One win and one loss/skip = Flareon. Two losses/One loss one skip = Vaporeon. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Lyra/Khoury ==<br /> <br /> Is it confirmed that Lyra and Khoury received their starters from Professor Elm or is it speculation? [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mystery Dungeon and Ranger starters ==<br /> <br /> I think we need to move the starters of Mystery Dungeon to Player character, because thats basically what they are, people you can play as. Also, the Ranger Pokemon should be removed because we already have the Partner Pokemon page, which contains the same information. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> :I agree with both. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that they should still be linked with {{template|main}}. Also, Rumble is in the same situation as PMD. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Trivia (yeah, I know it's a little big already) ==<br /> <br /> (First time, forgive me if I screw this up horribly)<br /> <br /> Since Pikachu knows Thundershock, Yellow is the only main series game in which the player's starter pokemon begins play with a STAB move. Incidentally, the Rival's starter also has a STAB move, as Eevee knows tackle and is of the normal-type. <br /> <br /> There's probably a better way of wording this. but I thought it was neat.<br /> 22:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)HH<br /> <br /> == Definition of starter Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> I've always thought of starter Pokémon as meaning the sets of three Pokémon that are given by the professor, not merely a Trainer's first Pokémon. I don't mind including Pikachu and Eevee, ''that'' much (although I'm still uncertain about them), adding Marill and Ralts, and calling things like [[Growlie]] &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; just seems wrong to me. If people really want to list Trainer's first Pokémon, then I think that page should be at {{redlink|first Pokémon}}; however, IMO starter Pokémon should refer only to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and maybe Pikachu and Eevee if you really want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Personally, I feel it's the Pokémon someone ''starts'' with. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree with Jo, even though the ones listed by SnorlaxMonster are treated completely different from the other &quot;first Pokémon&quot; from other media. Since this page is huge, maybe splitting into &quot;Starter Pokémon (main series)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (spin-off)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (anime)&quot; and &quot;Starter Pokémon (Adventures)&quot; could be taken into account but is not the best option. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 10:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::Splitting like that completely ignores the point. The idea is that the Pokémon I listed are a group of Pokémon, while this page just lists the first Pokémon of a bunch of Trainers. If we want to redefine starter Pokémon as &quot;the first Pokémon a Trainer owns&quot; rather than the traditional &quot;the three Pokémon that Trainers can choose from to start their journey&quot; and give the traditional grouping their own name, then while I wouldn't prefer it, it would be better than what we have now. What I'm saying is that we have a distinct group of Pokémon that the fandom have always called &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, and this page seems to have merged that group with everyone's first Pokémon. So regardless of what you want to call &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, the traditional starter Pokémon need a separate page from people's first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, I would define the starter pokemon as the sets of three plus Pikachu and Eevee. We categorize pokemon beyond their obvious classification by their secondary characteristics. Legendary Pokemon, other than those explicitly called out as such, are typically unique pokemon within the games that may or may not have a defining role in the story- even beginning trainers have a pretty good idea what you're talking about when you say &quot;legendary&quot;. Pseudo-Legendaries bear some explanation, but fall within obviously recognizable parameters- 600 base stats, typically a double weakness to something, general badassedness, etc. The &quot;starters&quot; of the main series of games are typically in line in terms of stats and evolutions without significant variation- It would not surprise me if next generation we had to call out Charizard and Typhlosion as the exceptions to the &quot;Fire/Fighting Rule&quot;. Spinoff series games should at best get their own page and at worst be merely mentioned on their own page. &quot;Games&quot; that are effectively pokedexes shouldn't be listed at all outside the article affirming their existence, as there is no meaningful way to interact with them. Eevee and Pikachu get to be the exceptions because they ''are'' the exceptions- the only main series game not to play by their own rules. You might not even list Eevee, as it's not technically an option for the trainer- It's not a &quot;starter&quot; pokemon, it's a &quot;rival&quot; pokemon.[[User:TheHateHat|TheHateHat]] ([[User talk:TheHateHat|talk]]) 04:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::I going to say that there needs to be a distinction between &quot;starter&quot; and &quot;first&quot;. For example, in the TCG a &quot;starter set&quot; is a set intended for people just starting to learn the TCG. However, it does not have to be their first TCG set, and their first TCG set is not necessarily a &quot;starter set&quot;. A &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; is a Pokémon given to Trainers when they begin their journey to get them started. Therefore, instances like Wally's Ralts are not starter Pokémon; it is his first Pokémon, and if people want that to have a page that's fine, but they shouldn't be here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I second that. The eighteen starter Pokémon from main series games must have an article of their own, they are a group of distinct Pokémon, always treated specially in every medium of the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Eevee in Yellow ==<br /> <br /> It seems strange to me that Eevee should be included as a starter Pokemon in Yellow on the bit at the bottom of pages about specific starter Pokemon. (Sorry don't know the correct technical term.) The player cannot start with Eevee. If the starter Pokemon of NPCs qualify for this definition of starter Pokemon then surely every known starter Pokemon for NPCs should be added to both of these sections in order to be logically consistent? If it is just because Blue is the rival of this game that his starter is notable why aren't the starters of Wally and Ethan/Lyra as NPCs? I understand their inclusion in the article but I don't understand how Blue's Eevee is any more notable than the starters of those two trainers, particularly not to the degree that it gets a mention at the bottom of the page when the others don't. [[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 17:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eevee was supposed to be player's starter, but Blue snatched it. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::But it is still not an option for the player to get it, which is more the point I feel. It is still not an option to start with. No matter what the storyline claims, the player was never &quot;supposed&quot; to get Eevee. Also, I'm not even sure the storyline DOES claim that.[[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Any Pokémon given by the Professor is a starter Pokémon, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fire Starter Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that there's a trend that all of the fire starters are all members of the Chinese Zodiac? There's been dragon (the Charmander line), rat (Cyndaquil being the fire '''mouse''' pokemon), rooster (the Torchic line), monkey (the Chimchar line), pig (the Tepig line), and just recently, dog (Fennekin being a fox). --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I say this is more opinion than fact. Yes, Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokémon but it isn't based on a mouse (or a rat). Fennekin, while based of a species of canines, isn't a dog. Though I agree with the others. So you could say I'm neutral/indifferent on this trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Yes, I know that Cyndaquil isn't based on an actual mouse, but the species name still counts and fox should be close enough to dog to count. --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shininess ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible that received starter in main series will be shiny?<br /> [[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 19:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> : Yes, it's the same probability as if you were to catch them in the wild (approximately 1/8192). [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto Starters for X and Y ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Soon afterwards, Professor Sycamore will give the player a choice between one of the classic Kanto starter Pokémon, whom, upon reaching their final stages, will have access to Mega Evolved forms, given the prequisite Mega Stone.&quot;<br /> <br /> This is more speculation than factual. We do not meet Professor Sycamore until Lumoise City. This was stated in the preview clips when he was released as well as stated on the main web site. Lumoise City is after the first Gym so the player has a good bit of play time before they ever meet Professor Sycamore in Lumoise. We also have not been given any information as to whether or not the Kanto Starters are Post Game hand outs like all other Non-Regional Starters are like in Pokemon Emerald and forward. Should probably wait for more information before saying we get two starters in the game since this has the makings of being post-game hand outs like they always end up. [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :While I do believe we should wait till we have more information on this, I thought we had more reason to believe that the Kanto starters weren't post-game hand outs. First of all, I don't believe they revealed post-game starters before during pre-release. And second, I believe in the Pokémon Direct, the man asked Masuda if there was going to be anything different about this game. Masuda then answered by talking about Sycamore giving out one of the Kanto starters. If it was post-game, that wouldn't be different from previous games at all. They even showed that picture with the three Kalos starters and the three Kanto starters. I think that the implication is that we're supposed to have 2 starters early on this time around. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you actually watched the Pokémon Direct, you would have heard that you get both starters near the beginning of the game. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::''&quot;In the past Pokémon games, the story began when the Pokémon Professor let you choose one of three Pokémon. However, in Pokémon X and Y your first partner Pokémon; Chespin, Fennekin, or Froakie; won't be given to you from the Professor but by your friend instead. Then you'll receive a different Pokémon from the Professor later on. What you get from the Professor is one of the partner Pokémon from the original Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue.&quot;'' 11:45 - 12:30<br /> :::No where does it say you get both at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the Professor isn't even in the starting town. We can't say for sure when you'll officially meet the Professor in-game. Even if the city itself is post-first gym, he might not be there. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == XY? ==<br /> <br /> Would you say the xy starters are not official starters because a professor doesn't give them to you? So they may not be deemed good enough for starter trainers? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :A starter Pokemon is a Pokemon a beginning Trainer starts their journey with. XY is clearly indicating that it doesn't matter where you get them from, as long as you start with it, it's a starter. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Friend Safari==<br /> <br /> Do the kanto starter first stage evos in the Friend Safari count as legitimately obtaining all three starter pokemon from a previous game? [[User:Yveltal0003|Yveltal0003]] ([[User talk:Yveltal0003|talk]]) 19:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tierno and Trevor ==<br /> <br /> Should their starters in XY be included? They don't pick from the three but they both only have two Pokemon when you first have a double battle with them and Serena. I think one of them's starter was Pikachu but I can't remember who. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think we can confirm what their actual Starter Pokémon are or when they got them, seeming they could of switched them before you battle them. Unless its explicitly stated, I think we should just say that there could be other options for Starter Pokémon than those given, although that's just my opinion on the matter. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Turn sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can anyone turn sprites into artwork because we're at Generation VI? Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Split ==<br /> <br /> SnorlaxMonster suggested this {{DL|Talk:Starter Pokémon|Definition of starter Pokémon|in an above section}}, but nothing came of it, so I'm slapping on the split template so that hopefully, even if no consensus comes of discussion, it'll go to the staff on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ the forum thread]. I propose that the traditional Grass/Fire/Water trios comprise an article, and all other Pokémon that Trainers in various media start with comprise another. I suggest ''Starter Pokémon'' and ''First Pokémon'', respectively, but any number of other names are also possible. The main thing is that the Grass/Fire/Water trios differ significantly from starting Pokémon in side games, the anime, the manga, etc. The two sets need to be treated separately.<br /> <br /> Whether to include the Pikachu and Eevee from Yellow is a bone of contention that I'd prefer not to overshadow this, but since it's relevant, I will give my opinion on it. Under no circumstances should Eevee be included, because it's the rival's, not the players. (Same conditions as Marill and Ralts.) Pikachu's more of a gray area, but it doesn't fill the same role statistically or in availability in any other game, so I feel it also doesn't belong with the Grass/Fire/Water trios despite being a starting Pokémon for the player in the main series.[[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The only issue I have with this is that there is still the issue of Orre and Pokétopia, though it sounds like under the proposal it would be a First Pokémon over a Starter Pokémon. My two cents is that there is a bit of gray area currently, though they are called &quot;the big three&quot; for Japanese players. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::If a &quot;starter Pokemon&quot; is something you get to choose, then none of Orre, Poketopia, or Yellow will count. Your &quot;first Pokemon&quot; is just something you're saddled with, then. I don't have a big problem with that sort of definition. As things stand, though, Poketopia's inclusion seems pretty dumb, to me. I like Colo and XD counting, because those actually have stories (like the main games) besides connecting with main games; but it doesn't seem that PBR has a story. It just seems like a glorified Pokemon Stadium. I'm not a fan of it &quot;counting&quot;, period, whether for &quot;starters&quot; (of whatever definition) or &quot;firsts&quot; (I think). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::P.S.: Oh, one can argue, though, that with XD's Eevee, you get your &quot;choice&quot; when you choose who to evolve Eevee into. And that at least includes Water and Fire (and then some), if not Grass. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::I feel as though &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; should refer only to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios. I can accept Pikachu and Eevee under some interpretations, but I really don't think they count. &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; is an official term, the problem is that it's difficult to find it actually defined (but I don't believe I've ever seen it used to describe Pikachu or Eevee); perhaps if somewhere the &quot;Kanto starter Pokémon&quot; is used to refer to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, that could count as excluding Pikachu and Eevee from being starters. Regardless, I think the generational elemental trios clearly share commonalities that Eevee and Pikachu do not. I don't even know if &quot;first Pokémon&quot; deserves a page, but I certainly think that info does not belong here. (Also, thanks for reviving my suggestion. I have a bunch that I've put forward in many places that even I've forgotten about, so it's always nice to see someone else take interest.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::While I feel like &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; usually refers to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios, I don't feel like special cases like Pikachu should be excluded/ignored (especially since Pokémon Yellow was a main series game). I don't agree with the rival's Pokémon being listed though, because they're never given to the player and thus technically not Starter Pokémon for us. It really depends how we're defining starter Pokémon, because if we're describing them as &quot;First Pokémon, distributed or given without having to catch them, usually by a Professor&quot; then Pikachu fits in that definition. Even if we decide to remove Pikachu and co. from the page, I'd at least like to see Pikachu listed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 20:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I find splitting Starter Pokémon from First Pokémon redundant. Not only do they have similar meanings, your starters are your first Pokémon, which is why they are called starters in the first place. Pikachu was your starter in Yellow despite not being a Fire, Water, or Grass type Pokémon. I don't get why we'd need to split the official and unofficial starters. If this proposal succeeds, I would start a new proposal to merge them. I strongly oppose the split. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::I agree. A starter Pokémon is not defined by type. That's just stupid. A starter Pokémon is a Pokémon that you START with. That doesn't mean it has to be a grass/fire/water at all! And, that also means that the rival's Eevee, Marill, or Ralts all count as well. It is the Pokémon that they START with. It's a fact. Deal with it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Starter Pokémon are called such because they are are started with. It is never stated that other Pokémon aren't starters, because they technically are. ''Start''er Pokémon. EDIT: If they are split, I think that everything but what the player starts with in the main series should be on starter, everything else on first. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 18:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC), edit time 18:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::In official materials, &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; always seems to be used to refer to the Grass-Fire-Water trios. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/chronicles-14-journey-to-the-starting-line/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/07_31-six-pack-attack/] [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-gb/pokemon/starters/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/10_01-following-a-maidens-voyage/] [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/16_12-new-placesfamiliar-faces/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/08_40-the-right-place-and-the-right-mime/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/super-smash-bros-brawl/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-emerald-version/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/explore-and-watch/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/black-white-cards]. I get that people would like the term to also refer to any Pokémon that any character has as their first Pokémon, but that is simply unsupported. The Grass-Fire-Water trios are clearly a distinct group, and they need a specific name to refer to them; officially, this has always been &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, which has also excluded any other Pokémon a character may have as their first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why is Marill on this page? ==<br /> <br /> Why is Marill on the page? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Because {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} has it. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 00:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh I see now, I miss read the entry.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::Just because Ethan/Lyra has it does not make it a starter IMO. same with Wally's Ralts. we might need to re-discuss this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia (Could be added to a trivia point speaking of egg group) ==<br /> <br /> ................. and Treecko and Charmander are the only starter pokemon to belonging to part dragon egg group. {{unsigned|Tgage}}<br /> :If two are in it, it's not unique and therefore not notable, even with the cool factors of dragons added to the equation. You could make a case for noting how Chimchar's the only one in Human-Like, but I think that may be the only one in a unique group. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] &lt;sup&gt;~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Mega Evolution Table==<br /> Could someone fix the table that shows the mega evolutions of all the starters? Currently they're all redlinks, but when I tried to fix it myself it messed up the images. [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos starters gender ratio ==<br /> <br /> Okay so I have played through both x and y a few diferent times here and only ONCE has there been a male fennekin. My fist play through of Y I choose fennekin and she was female. Shaunas Chespin was also female. Further more I have started quite a few different play through in X due to always losing my nuzlocks and first go my forkie was female and shaunas fennekin was also female. second time through my froakie was male but still shauna fennekin was female. Ive also gotten 3 resets in a row female chespin. <br /> I dont know about froakie and chespin but Im PRETTY POSITIVE fennekins line is 75% female. Ive only seen 1 male fennekin in a lets play on youtube as well out of about 5 lets plays Ive watched. <br /> Im also fairly certain that frokie's line is 50/50 on gender and maybe chespins. <br /> I dont belive anyone can go through the code as of yet but Id like some proof at its still 75% the starter is male. I believe the reason they did that in gen 2 was so starters were more rare if you didnt know about ditto but that trend has kinda gotten out dated with everyone knowing of ditto and such. <br /> So yeah I believe the gender ratio should be unknown of the kalos starters until we can get official proof of it. <br /> I will say I have not done any breeding of the starters yet but think Ill start filling up a box for each one and post my results.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Furry|Furry]] ([[User talk:Furry|talk]]) 02:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : All of the starters have always had the same gender ratio, so not only is it probably safe to assume that the Kalos starters are the same but also people have the ability to see the coding of the games and as such we come up with the gender ratios for the Pokemon.<br /> <br /> Also, almost all of the starters I have are male.--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 17:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos secondary triangle ==<br /> <br /> The Kalos starters have, in their final forms, two type triangles: Grass/Fire/Water and Fighting/Psychic/Dark. This is notable. Yet it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Starter_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;curid=1162&amp;diff=2134311&amp;oldid=2134310 was removed].<br /> <br /> But, you say: Dark is ''immune'' to Psychic rather than just being resistant. Well...so? Practically speaking, that is a trivial difference. If I put {{p|Braixen}} in against {{p|Chesnaught}}, Braixen has little to fear from Chesnaught's STAB moves whereas Chesnaught must fear any of Braixen's STAB moves. By the same token, if I put {{p|Greninja}} in against Braixen, Greninja has little to fear from Braixen's STAB moves whereas Braixen must fear any of Greninja's STAB moves. It's basically irrelevant that Greninja has ''even less'' to fear from Braixen than Braixen/Chesnaught do from Chesnaught/Greninja. The essential fact remains: by their typings (in their final forms), each of the starters has the advantage, ''both offensivley and defensively'', against another one of the starters in a triangular fashion.<br /> <br /> It is irrelevant that Dark is immune to Psychic. The essential fact of &quot;This Pokemon can do well against that one but not against the other one&quot; is exactly the same. Both triangles are valid and this second one deserves noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I think the inital trivia note on it before it was changed is valid<br /> ::* The Kalos starter Pokémon's secondary types ({{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}, and {{t|Dark}}) almost form another type-advantage triangle, being broken by the fact that the Dark type is immune to the Psychic type.<br /> : Someone changed it which ultimately caused it to become confusing and end up being removed as it was fine for however long it was on there until it was removed (after rewording).--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That I wouldn't mind since it's not stating that the Dark/Psychic/Fighting creates a triangle that is exactly like the Grass/Fire/Water cycle. In fact, it's why I decided to leave it there when it was added the first time before it was reworded.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't see how the immunity breaks this though. It still forms a type triangle. Am I missing something? --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 08:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::The triangle is where the types are super effective to one type and resists the other. I feel that this is evident by Game Freak's continual usage of Grass/Fire/Water for the past six generations. Dark does not resist Psychic, thus breaking the triangle.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Gender ==<br /> Isn't the starter Pokémon always the same gender as the player? If it is, should'nt it be added? <br /> [[User:Lokki]] [[User talk:Lokki|Talk]] 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :No, it isn't always the same. [[User:RandomDSplayer|RandomDSplayer]] ([[User talk:RandomDSplayer|talk]]) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting trivia fact about the Fire-type starters.<br /> <br /> '''There has been a superstition that the Fire-type starters are based on the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. Some of the information is false, like Cyndaquil and Fennekin based on the rat and dog.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Speculation/opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact: May (Anime) ==<br /> <br /> Trivia Fact: May (Anime)<br /> <br /> '''The only Kanto starter that May did not catch or obtain is Charmander.''' This is true because she already has Blaziken, a Fire starter native to Hoenn.<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :You say &quot;This is true because...&quot; as if we doubt you, we know what you're talking about. It's not notable, one out of three, and it's also expected since she already had Blaziken.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Forget what I said about May's Blaziken. What I meant to say why the fact is true is because May has a Bulbasaur (now a Venusaur) and a Squirtle (now a Wartortle), but not Charmander.[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:First_partner_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_1&diff=2442733 2016-05-12T23:41:16Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact: May (Anime) */</p> <hr /> <div>==Normal Starters==<br /> Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the &quot;main&quot; games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.<br /> ::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::Exactly. And that's why we have the &quot;special starters&quot; section. They are starters, but not as much so as the &quot;main game&quot; ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == To add to Trivia ==<br /> <br /> I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.<br /> :Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == To Remove from Trivia ==<br /> &quot;Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type.&quot; This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that &quot;usually&quot; is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are &quot;usually&quot; one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pikachu==<br /> <br /> Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?<br /> :Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Colosseum elemental starters ==<br /> <br /> Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat &quot;starter&quot; Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you &quot;you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?&quot;. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obediance ==<br /> <br /> I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow &quot;catch&quot; a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]<br /> :::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia overload? ==<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BB0000&quot;&gt;'''''~Toastypk'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#770077&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sup&gt;Loom.&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#4B5320;&quot;&gt;'''Moldy'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:Moldy orange|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#ED9121;&quot;&gt;'''Orange'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==No editing?==<br /> Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gen IV type-trumping==<br /> I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:<br /> *Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape. <br /> *Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type. <br /> *Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types). <br /> [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]<br /> <br /> ==Gary's Starter==<br /> Is the statement &quot;it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee&quot; the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> == Platinum ==<br /> <br /> It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;Tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;X, PEACE TO&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;THE DRAGONS AND&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;THE BEASTS&lt;/font&gt;]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> I felt it would be interesting to note that all of the starter's first evolutions have the same base stat total of 405, whereas the base and final forms vary greatly.<br /> :Every middle evolution, you mean? Definitely something to say. But the final forms' variance needn't be mentioned; it's not like they're Butterfree vs Arceus in terms of BST difference. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Second Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be a good idea to post the fact that in the anime, the protagonist's starter Pokémon actually has a type advantage over the rival's starter Pokémon other than the other way around? (Ash obviously had Pikachu whereas Gary had Squirtle) Seems relevant --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] 03:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :No. Basically what they did was say Gary had a MYSTERY OMGEEZ and then an EEVEE OMGEEZ YELOW and then BLASTOISE HAHA. And by that third point, in Johto, Ash's Charizard counted almost as much as Pikachu anyway, especially considering the battle the two had using those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto starters in HGSS? ==<br /> <br /> I just got all 16 badges, Oak gives me a HM08, but no starter. Do i have to do something beforehand? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :This sounds kind of forum-y to me, but you might have to do the Copycat event first - I read somewhere that you have to do that in order to get a Hoenn starter from Steven, at least. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::All events done ''except for red''. do i have to beat him firsT? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The mystical, amazing disappearing starter Pokemon! ==<br /> <br /> I could have sworn I saw this discussed somewhere before, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Oh well.<br /> <br /> Anyway, at some point in HGSS (not sure exactly when) the third starter Pokemon which wasn't chosen by the PC or the rival mysteriously vanishes from its place in Elm's lab. (The game text when the... whatever that machine is... is examined is something along the lines of, &quot;Hey! The third Pokeball is gone! Was it given to someone?&quot; though I can't be bothered to switch games in my DS to check for sure.) I figure that this is notable enough to go into the article, and I'd put it in there myself, but I quite honestly don't know if its disappearance is ever explained, and I figure that if it ''were'' explained that should go in the article too.<br /> <br /> Thoughts?/Anyone know what in the world happened to it? &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :If you're looking for a general discussion on this, head to the forums. Pedia-wise, the only thing we can really do is say that it vanishes and we don't know where to. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Nah, wasn't looking for a general discussion. I brought it up for the purpose of adding it into the article... And I haven't beaten the game yet, so I don't know if its disappearance is left unexplained, and that's why I didn't want to say that in the article (maybe it is explained, and I just haven't gotten that far yet!). I thought maybe someone else would have the answer so that it could be added to the article, definitively stating whether its disappearance was explained or not. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can someone please put these up? ==<br /> <br /> They're missing from the page. Pokabu's picture is the only one on there. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Was this ever confirmed? ==<br /> <br /> On the article it said &quot;In Pokémon Black and White, the regional professor, yet unnamed, will offer the player a choice of the Grass-type Tsutarja, the Fire-type Pokabu, or the Water-type Mijumaru. &quot; It's very likely this is true, but this was never confirmed so should we edit it?--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 18:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :It's been proven. There's even an official site of the game that confirms this. - [[User:050294|050294]] 23:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::I think what he means is, does the professor actually give it to the player, or is there a situation similar to DPPt, where they decide to take them and are allowed to keep them later, et cetera.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Yeah, that's what I mean.--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ranger &quot;starters&quot;? ==<br /> <br /> I just now noticed that the Ranger partner Pokemon weren't included in the page (but I remember them being on there before). But can they be considered starter Pokemon? They probably weren't the first Pokemon the player captured (except in the first ranger game), but they are the first Pokemon they get to keep for themselves. So can they still be considered starters?<br /> <br /> <br /> == Cheren &amp; Bel Starters ==<br /> <br /> <br /> Example: I choose Pokabu, Cheren will Choose Mijumaru and Belle will chose Tsutarja. But this is <br /> <br /> not confirmmed---[[User:Franztrovao]] July 24, 2010 - 18:10 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It '''''IS''''' confirmed ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Since I want no part in the edit war, I'm going to explain the trivia piece here:<br /> <br /> &lt;code&gt;<br /> As of [[Generation IV]], every '''starter-type''' in the main series (with the exception of {{p|Pikachu}}) has have one Pokémon in its final-stage of evolution to have a double weakness; {{p|Charizard}} is doubly weak to {{type|Rock}}, {{p|Swampert}} is doubly weak to {{type|Grass}} and {{p|Torterra}} is doubly weak to {{type|Ice}}.&lt;/code&gt;<br /> <br /> It doesn't say by generation. It says by starter ''type''. That means Fire, Water, and Grass.<br /> Charizard, Torterra, and Swampert are members of these respective types and have double weaknesses. The trivia, meaning-wise, is fine. (Unless one were to count Bulbasaur's Poison typing...)<br /> <br /> So yeah, if you're going to remove it, remove it for a different reason plz and thanks.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Mystery Dungeon initial Pokémon be considered starters? ==<br /> <br /> I've looked through Mystery Dungeon: Blue's manual, Bulbapedia's pages on all three sets of games, and the official Explorers of Sky webpage and have seen no mention of the initial Pokémon from MD as &quot;starters&quot;, just &quot;Hero Pokémon&quot; (for the player) and &quot;Partner Pokémon&quot; (for the partner). They seem to lack the basic criteria for being starters (the initial Pokémon owned by a ''trainer''), even more so than the Ranger's [[Partner Pokémon]] which were already deemed not to be starters. Now I'll admit I never even played through Blue fully (and never played the others), so there may be something in-game, but I think we should separate them into their own ''Hero and Partner Pokémon'' page or something, as they don't seem to belong here. '''[[User:Memo326|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#151B8D;&quot;&gt;Memo&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;i&gt;[[User talk:Memo326|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8D38C9;&quot;&gt;326&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt; 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Completely agree. I've fixed this page, but the navigation template needs to be modified still. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Yellow Evolution ==<br /> <br /> The article says that the rival's {{p|Eevee}} evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Flareon}} or {{p|Vaporeon}} depending on the outcomes of battles between the player and the rival. Specifically, which battles are important, and how do the results affect the evolution? It seems like this would be a useful thing to add to the article. I believe that if the player loses the first battle in Pallet Town, the {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into a {{p|Vaporeon}}, but this should probably be double-checked. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 20:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ive heard that if you win both battles, lose both battles, or lose one and win one, the outcome will be different. But im not that far in the game so I don't know the specific outcomes. --[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 21:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :It's explained in more detail [[Blue (game)/Yellow|here]]. Basically the results of the first two possible battles are summed. Two wins = Jolteon. One win and one loss/skip = Flareon. Two losses/One loss one skip = Vaporeon. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Lyra/Khoury ==<br /> <br /> Is it confirmed that Lyra and Khoury received their starters from Professor Elm or is it speculation? [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mystery Dungeon and Ranger starters ==<br /> <br /> I think we need to move the starters of Mystery Dungeon to Player character, because thats basically what they are, people you can play as. Also, the Ranger Pokemon should be removed because we already have the Partner Pokemon page, which contains the same information. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> :I agree with both. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that they should still be linked with {{template|main}}. Also, Rumble is in the same situation as PMD. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Trivia (yeah, I know it's a little big already) ==<br /> <br /> (First time, forgive me if I screw this up horribly)<br /> <br /> Since Pikachu knows Thundershock, Yellow is the only main series game in which the player's starter pokemon begins play with a STAB move. Incidentally, the Rival's starter also has a STAB move, as Eevee knows tackle and is of the normal-type. <br /> <br /> There's probably a better way of wording this. but I thought it was neat.<br /> 22:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)HH<br /> <br /> == Definition of starter Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> I've always thought of starter Pokémon as meaning the sets of three Pokémon that are given by the professor, not merely a Trainer's first Pokémon. I don't mind including Pikachu and Eevee, ''that'' much (although I'm still uncertain about them), adding Marill and Ralts, and calling things like [[Growlie]] &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; just seems wrong to me. If people really want to list Trainer's first Pokémon, then I think that page should be at {{redlink|first Pokémon}}; however, IMO starter Pokémon should refer only to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and maybe Pikachu and Eevee if you really want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Personally, I feel it's the Pokémon someone ''starts'' with. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree with Jo, even though the ones listed by SnorlaxMonster are treated completely different from the other &quot;first Pokémon&quot; from other media. Since this page is huge, maybe splitting into &quot;Starter Pokémon (main series)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (spin-off)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (anime)&quot; and &quot;Starter Pokémon (Adventures)&quot; could be taken into account but is not the best option. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 10:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::Splitting like that completely ignores the point. The idea is that the Pokémon I listed are a group of Pokémon, while this page just lists the first Pokémon of a bunch of Trainers. If we want to redefine starter Pokémon as &quot;the first Pokémon a Trainer owns&quot; rather than the traditional &quot;the three Pokémon that Trainers can choose from to start their journey&quot; and give the traditional grouping their own name, then while I wouldn't prefer it, it would be better than what we have now. What I'm saying is that we have a distinct group of Pokémon that the fandom have always called &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, and this page seems to have merged that group with everyone's first Pokémon. So regardless of what you want to call &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, the traditional starter Pokémon need a separate page from people's first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, I would define the starter pokemon as the sets of three plus Pikachu and Eevee. We categorize pokemon beyond their obvious classification by their secondary characteristics. Legendary Pokemon, other than those explicitly called out as such, are typically unique pokemon within the games that may or may not have a defining role in the story- even beginning trainers have a pretty good idea what you're talking about when you say &quot;legendary&quot;. Pseudo-Legendaries bear some explanation, but fall within obviously recognizable parameters- 600 base stats, typically a double weakness to something, general badassedness, etc. The &quot;starters&quot; of the main series of games are typically in line in terms of stats and evolutions without significant variation- It would not surprise me if next generation we had to call out Charizard and Typhlosion as the exceptions to the &quot;Fire/Fighting Rule&quot;. Spinoff series games should at best get their own page and at worst be merely mentioned on their own page. &quot;Games&quot; that are effectively pokedexes shouldn't be listed at all outside the article affirming their existence, as there is no meaningful way to interact with them. Eevee and Pikachu get to be the exceptions because they ''are'' the exceptions- the only main series game not to play by their own rules. You might not even list Eevee, as it's not technically an option for the trainer- It's not a &quot;starter&quot; pokemon, it's a &quot;rival&quot; pokemon.[[User:TheHateHat|TheHateHat]] ([[User talk:TheHateHat|talk]]) 04:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::I going to say that there needs to be a distinction between &quot;starter&quot; and &quot;first&quot;. For example, in the TCG a &quot;starter set&quot; is a set intended for people just starting to learn the TCG. However, it does not have to be their first TCG set, and their first TCG set is not necessarily a &quot;starter set&quot;. A &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; is a Pokémon given to Trainers when they begin their journey to get them started. Therefore, instances like Wally's Ralts are not starter Pokémon; it is his first Pokémon, and if people want that to have a page that's fine, but they shouldn't be here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I second that. The eighteen starter Pokémon from main series games must have an article of their own, they are a group of distinct Pokémon, always treated specially in every medium of the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Eevee in Yellow ==<br /> <br /> It seems strange to me that Eevee should be included as a starter Pokemon in Yellow on the bit at the bottom of pages about specific starter Pokemon. (Sorry don't know the correct technical term.) The player cannot start with Eevee. If the starter Pokemon of NPCs qualify for this definition of starter Pokemon then surely every known starter Pokemon for NPCs should be added to both of these sections in order to be logically consistent? If it is just because Blue is the rival of this game that his starter is notable why aren't the starters of Wally and Ethan/Lyra as NPCs? I understand their inclusion in the article but I don't understand how Blue's Eevee is any more notable than the starters of those two trainers, particularly not to the degree that it gets a mention at the bottom of the page when the others don't. [[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 17:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eevee was supposed to be player's starter, but Blue snatched it. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::But it is still not an option for the player to get it, which is more the point I feel. It is still not an option to start with. No matter what the storyline claims, the player was never &quot;supposed&quot; to get Eevee. Also, I'm not even sure the storyline DOES claim that.[[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Any Pokémon given by the Professor is a starter Pokémon, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fire Starter Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that there's a trend that all of the fire starters are all members of the Chinese Zodiac? There's been dragon (the Charmander line), rat (Cyndaquil being the fire '''mouse''' pokemon), rooster (the Torchic line), monkey (the Chimchar line), pig (the Tepig line), and just recently, dog (Fennekin being a fox). --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I say this is more opinion than fact. Yes, Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokémon but it isn't based on a mouse (or a rat). Fennekin, while based of a species of canines, isn't a dog. Though I agree with the others. So you could say I'm neutral/indifferent on this trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Yes, I know that Cyndaquil isn't based on an actual mouse, but the species name still counts and fox should be close enough to dog to count. --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shininess ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible that received starter in main series will be shiny?<br /> [[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 19:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> : Yes, it's the same probability as if you were to catch them in the wild (approximately 1/8192). [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto Starters for X and Y ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Soon afterwards, Professor Sycamore will give the player a choice between one of the classic Kanto starter Pokémon, whom, upon reaching their final stages, will have access to Mega Evolved forms, given the prequisite Mega Stone.&quot;<br /> <br /> This is more speculation than factual. We do not meet Professor Sycamore until Lumoise City. This was stated in the preview clips when he was released as well as stated on the main web site. Lumoise City is after the first Gym so the player has a good bit of play time before they ever meet Professor Sycamore in Lumoise. We also have not been given any information as to whether or not the Kanto Starters are Post Game hand outs like all other Non-Regional Starters are like in Pokemon Emerald and forward. Should probably wait for more information before saying we get two starters in the game since this has the makings of being post-game hand outs like they always end up. [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :While I do believe we should wait till we have more information on this, I thought we had more reason to believe that the Kanto starters weren't post-game hand outs. First of all, I don't believe they revealed post-game starters before during pre-release. And second, I believe in the Pokémon Direct, the man asked Masuda if there was going to be anything different about this game. Masuda then answered by talking about Sycamore giving out one of the Kanto starters. If it was post-game, that wouldn't be different from previous games at all. They even showed that picture with the three Kalos starters and the three Kanto starters. I think that the implication is that we're supposed to have 2 starters early on this time around. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you actually watched the Pokémon Direct, you would have heard that you get both starters near the beginning of the game. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::''&quot;In the past Pokémon games, the story began when the Pokémon Professor let you choose one of three Pokémon. However, in Pokémon X and Y your first partner Pokémon; Chespin, Fennekin, or Froakie; won't be given to you from the Professor but by your friend instead. Then you'll receive a different Pokémon from the Professor later on. What you get from the Professor is one of the partner Pokémon from the original Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue.&quot;'' 11:45 - 12:30<br /> :::No where does it say you get both at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the Professor isn't even in the starting town. We can't say for sure when you'll officially meet the Professor in-game. Even if the city itself is post-first gym, he might not be there. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == XY? ==<br /> <br /> Would you say the xy starters are not official starters because a professor doesn't give them to you? So they may not be deemed good enough for starter trainers? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :A starter Pokemon is a Pokemon a beginning Trainer starts their journey with. XY is clearly indicating that it doesn't matter where you get them from, as long as you start with it, it's a starter. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Friend Safari==<br /> <br /> Do the kanto starter first stage evos in the Friend Safari count as legitimately obtaining all three starter pokemon from a previous game? [[User:Yveltal0003|Yveltal0003]] ([[User talk:Yveltal0003|talk]]) 19:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tierno and Trevor ==<br /> <br /> Should their starters in XY be included? They don't pick from the three but they both only have two Pokemon when you first have a double battle with them and Serena. I think one of them's starter was Pikachu but I can't remember who. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think we can confirm what their actual Starter Pokémon are or when they got them, seeming they could of switched them before you battle them. Unless its explicitly stated, I think we should just say that there could be other options for Starter Pokémon than those given, although that's just my opinion on the matter. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Turn sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can anyone turn sprites into artwork because we're at Generation VI? Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Split ==<br /> <br /> SnorlaxMonster suggested this {{DL|Talk:Starter Pokémon|Definition of starter Pokémon|in an above section}}, but nothing came of it, so I'm slapping on the split template so that hopefully, even if no consensus comes of discussion, it'll go to the staff on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ the forum thread]. I propose that the traditional Grass/Fire/Water trios comprise an article, and all other Pokémon that Trainers in various media start with comprise another. I suggest ''Starter Pokémon'' and ''First Pokémon'', respectively, but any number of other names are also possible. The main thing is that the Grass/Fire/Water trios differ significantly from starting Pokémon in side games, the anime, the manga, etc. The two sets need to be treated separately.<br /> <br /> Whether to include the Pikachu and Eevee from Yellow is a bone of contention that I'd prefer not to overshadow this, but since it's relevant, I will give my opinion on it. Under no circumstances should Eevee be included, because it's the rival's, not the players. (Same conditions as Marill and Ralts.) Pikachu's more of a gray area, but it doesn't fill the same role statistically or in availability in any other game, so I feel it also doesn't belong with the Grass/Fire/Water trios despite being a starting Pokémon for the player in the main series.[[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The only issue I have with this is that there is still the issue of Orre and Pokétopia, though it sounds like under the proposal it would be a First Pokémon over a Starter Pokémon. My two cents is that there is a bit of gray area currently, though they are called &quot;the big three&quot; for Japanese players. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::If a &quot;starter Pokemon&quot; is something you get to choose, then none of Orre, Poketopia, or Yellow will count. Your &quot;first Pokemon&quot; is just something you're saddled with, then. I don't have a big problem with that sort of definition. As things stand, though, Poketopia's inclusion seems pretty dumb, to me. I like Colo and XD counting, because those actually have stories (like the main games) besides connecting with main games; but it doesn't seem that PBR has a story. It just seems like a glorified Pokemon Stadium. I'm not a fan of it &quot;counting&quot;, period, whether for &quot;starters&quot; (of whatever definition) or &quot;firsts&quot; (I think). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::P.S.: Oh, one can argue, though, that with XD's Eevee, you get your &quot;choice&quot; when you choose who to evolve Eevee into. And that at least includes Water and Fire (and then some), if not Grass. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::I feel as though &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; should refer only to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios. I can accept Pikachu and Eevee under some interpretations, but I really don't think they count. &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; is an official term, the problem is that it's difficult to find it actually defined (but I don't believe I've ever seen it used to describe Pikachu or Eevee); perhaps if somewhere the &quot;Kanto starter Pokémon&quot; is used to refer to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, that could count as excluding Pikachu and Eevee from being starters. Regardless, I think the generational elemental trios clearly share commonalities that Eevee and Pikachu do not. I don't even know if &quot;first Pokémon&quot; deserves a page, but I certainly think that info does not belong here. (Also, thanks for reviving my suggestion. I have a bunch that I've put forward in many places that even I've forgotten about, so it's always nice to see someone else take interest.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::While I feel like &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; usually refers to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios, I don't feel like special cases like Pikachu should be excluded/ignored (especially since Pokémon Yellow was a main series game). I don't agree with the rival's Pokémon being listed though, because they're never given to the player and thus technically not Starter Pokémon for us. It really depends how we're defining starter Pokémon, because if we're describing them as &quot;First Pokémon, distributed or given without having to catch them, usually by a Professor&quot; then Pikachu fits in that definition. Even if we decide to remove Pikachu and co. from the page, I'd at least like to see Pikachu listed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 20:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I find splitting Starter Pokémon from First Pokémon redundant. Not only do they have similar meanings, your starters are your first Pokémon, which is why they are called starters in the first place. Pikachu was your starter in Yellow despite not being a Fire, Water, or Grass type Pokémon. I don't get why we'd need to split the official and unofficial starters. If this proposal succeeds, I would start a new proposal to merge them. I strongly oppose the split. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::I agree. A starter Pokémon is not defined by type. That's just stupid. A starter Pokémon is a Pokémon that you START with. That doesn't mean it has to be a grass/fire/water at all! And, that also means that the rival's Eevee, Marill, or Ralts all count as well. It is the Pokémon that they START with. It's a fact. Deal with it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Starter Pokémon are called such because they are are started with. It is never stated that other Pokémon aren't starters, because they technically are. ''Start''er Pokémon. EDIT: If they are split, I think that everything but what the player starts with in the main series should be on starter, everything else on first. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 18:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC), edit time 18:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::In official materials, &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; always seems to be used to refer to the Grass-Fire-Water trios. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/chronicles-14-journey-to-the-starting-line/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/07_31-six-pack-attack/] [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-gb/pokemon/starters/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/10_01-following-a-maidens-voyage/] [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/16_12-new-placesfamiliar-faces/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/08_40-the-right-place-and-the-right-mime/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/super-smash-bros-brawl/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-emerald-version/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/explore-and-watch/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/black-white-cards]. I get that people would like the term to also refer to any Pokémon that any character has as their first Pokémon, but that is simply unsupported. The Grass-Fire-Water trios are clearly a distinct group, and they need a specific name to refer to them; officially, this has always been &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, which has also excluded any other Pokémon a character may have as their first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why is Marill on this page? ==<br /> <br /> Why is Marill on the page? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Because {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} has it. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 00:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh I see now, I miss read the entry.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::Just because Ethan/Lyra has it does not make it a starter IMO. same with Wally's Ralts. we might need to re-discuss this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia (Could be added to a trivia point speaking of egg group) ==<br /> <br /> ................. and Treecko and Charmander are the only starter pokemon to belonging to part dragon egg group. {{unsigned|Tgage}}<br /> :If two are in it, it's not unique and therefore not notable, even with the cool factors of dragons added to the equation. You could make a case for noting how Chimchar's the only one in Human-Like, but I think that may be the only one in a unique group. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] &lt;sup&gt;~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Mega Evolution Table==<br /> Could someone fix the table that shows the mega evolutions of all the starters? Currently they're all redlinks, but when I tried to fix it myself it messed up the images. [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos starters gender ratio ==<br /> <br /> Okay so I have played through both x and y a few diferent times here and only ONCE has there been a male fennekin. My fist play through of Y I choose fennekin and she was female. Shaunas Chespin was also female. Further more I have started quite a few different play through in X due to always losing my nuzlocks and first go my forkie was female and shaunas fennekin was also female. second time through my froakie was male but still shauna fennekin was female. Ive also gotten 3 resets in a row female chespin. <br /> I dont know about froakie and chespin but Im PRETTY POSITIVE fennekins line is 75% female. Ive only seen 1 male fennekin in a lets play on youtube as well out of about 5 lets plays Ive watched. <br /> Im also fairly certain that frokie's line is 50/50 on gender and maybe chespins. <br /> I dont belive anyone can go through the code as of yet but Id like some proof at its still 75% the starter is male. I believe the reason they did that in gen 2 was so starters were more rare if you didnt know about ditto but that trend has kinda gotten out dated with everyone knowing of ditto and such. <br /> So yeah I believe the gender ratio should be unknown of the kalos starters until we can get official proof of it. <br /> I will say I have not done any breeding of the starters yet but think Ill start filling up a box for each one and post my results.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Furry|Furry]] ([[User talk:Furry|talk]]) 02:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : All of the starters have always had the same gender ratio, so not only is it probably safe to assume that the Kalos starters are the same but also people have the ability to see the coding of the games and as such we come up with the gender ratios for the Pokemon.<br /> <br /> Also, almost all of the starters I have are male.--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 17:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos secondary triangle ==<br /> <br /> The Kalos starters have, in their final forms, two type triangles: Grass/Fire/Water and Fighting/Psychic/Dark. This is notable. Yet it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Starter_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;curid=1162&amp;diff=2134311&amp;oldid=2134310 was removed].<br /> <br /> But, you say: Dark is ''immune'' to Psychic rather than just being resistant. Well...so? Practically speaking, that is a trivial difference. If I put {{p|Braixen}} in against {{p|Chesnaught}}, Braixen has little to fear from Chesnaught's STAB moves whereas Chesnaught must fear any of Braixen's STAB moves. By the same token, if I put {{p|Greninja}} in against Braixen, Greninja has little to fear from Braixen's STAB moves whereas Braixen must fear any of Greninja's STAB moves. It's basically irrelevant that Greninja has ''even less'' to fear from Braixen than Braixen/Chesnaught do from Chesnaught/Greninja. The essential fact remains: by their typings (in their final forms), each of the starters has the advantage, ''both offensivley and defensively'', against another one of the starters in a triangular fashion.<br /> <br /> It is irrelevant that Dark is immune to Psychic. The essential fact of &quot;This Pokemon can do well against that one but not against the other one&quot; is exactly the same. Both triangles are valid and this second one deserves noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I think the inital trivia note on it before it was changed is valid<br /> ::* The Kalos starter Pokémon's secondary types ({{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}, and {{t|Dark}}) almost form another type-advantage triangle, being broken by the fact that the Dark type is immune to the Psychic type.<br /> : Someone changed it which ultimately caused it to become confusing and end up being removed as it was fine for however long it was on there until it was removed (after rewording).--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That I wouldn't mind since it's not stating that the Dark/Psychic/Fighting creates a triangle that is exactly like the Grass/Fire/Water cycle. In fact, it's why I decided to leave it there when it was added the first time before it was reworded.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't see how the immunity breaks this though. It still forms a type triangle. Am I missing something? --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 08:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::The triangle is where the types are super effective to one type and resists the other. I feel that this is evident by Game Freak's continual usage of Grass/Fire/Water for the past six generations. Dark does not resist Psychic, thus breaking the triangle.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Gender ==<br /> Isn't the starter Pokémon always the same gender as the player? If it is, should'nt it be added? <br /> [[User:Lokki]] [[User talk:Lokki|Talk]] 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :No, it isn't always the same. [[User:RandomDSplayer|RandomDSplayer]] ([[User talk:RandomDSplayer|talk]]) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting trivia fact about the Fire-type starters.<br /> <br /> '''There has been a superstition that the Fire-type starters are based on the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. Some of the information is false, like Cyndaquil and Fennekin based on the rat and dog.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Speculation/opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact: May (Anime) ==<br /> <br /> Trivia Fact: May (Anime)<br /> <br /> '''The only Kanto starter that May did not catch or obtain is Charmander.''' This is true because she already has Blaziken, a Fire starter native to Hoenn.<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :You say &quot;This is true because...&quot; as if we doubt you, we know what you're talking about. It's not notable, one out of three, and it's also expected since she already had Blaziken.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Forget what I said about May's Blaziken. What I meant to say why the fact is true is because May has a Bulbasaur (now a Venusaur) and a Squirtle (now a Wartortle), but not Charmander.</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:First_partner_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive_1&diff=2442690 2016-05-12T21:23:42Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact: May (Anime) */</p> <hr /> <div>==Normal Starters==<br /> Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the &quot;main&quot; games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.<br /> ::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::Exactly. And that's why we have the &quot;special starters&quot; section. They are starters, but not as much so as the &quot;main game&quot; ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == To add to Trivia ==<br /> <br /> I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.<br /> :Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == To Remove from Trivia ==<br /> &quot;Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type.&quot; This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that &quot;usually&quot; is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are &quot;usually&quot; one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pikachu==<br /> <br /> Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?<br /> :Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Colosseum elemental starters ==<br /> <br /> Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat &quot;starter&quot; Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you &quot;you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?&quot;. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obediance ==<br /> <br /> I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow &quot;catch&quot; a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]<br /> :::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia overload? ==<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BB0000&quot;&gt;'''''~Toastypk'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#770077&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sup&gt;Loom.&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#4B5320;&quot;&gt;'''Moldy'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:Moldy orange|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#ED9121;&quot;&gt;'''Orange'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==No editing?==<br /> Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gen IV type-trumping==<br /> I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:<br /> *Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape. <br /> *Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type. <br /> *Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types). <br /> [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]<br /> <br /> ==Gary's Starter==<br /> Is the statement &quot;it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee&quot; the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> == Platinum ==<br /> <br /> It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;Tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;X, PEACE TO&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;THE DRAGONS AND&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;THE BEASTS&lt;/font&gt;]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> I felt it would be interesting to note that all of the starter's first evolutions have the same base stat total of 405, whereas the base and final forms vary greatly.<br /> :Every middle evolution, you mean? Definitely something to say. But the final forms' variance needn't be mentioned; it's not like they're Butterfree vs Arceus in terms of BST difference. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Second Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be a good idea to post the fact that in the anime, the protagonist's starter Pokémon actually has a type advantage over the rival's starter Pokémon other than the other way around? (Ash obviously had Pikachu whereas Gary had Squirtle) Seems relevant --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] 03:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :No. Basically what they did was say Gary had a MYSTERY OMGEEZ and then an EEVEE OMGEEZ YELOW and then BLASTOISE HAHA. And by that third point, in Johto, Ash's Charizard counted almost as much as Pikachu anyway, especially considering the battle the two had using those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto starters in HGSS? ==<br /> <br /> I just got all 16 badges, Oak gives me a HM08, but no starter. Do i have to do something beforehand? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :This sounds kind of forum-y to me, but you might have to do the Copycat event first - I read somewhere that you have to do that in order to get a Hoenn starter from Steven, at least. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::All events done ''except for red''. do i have to beat him firsT? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The mystical, amazing disappearing starter Pokemon! ==<br /> <br /> I could have sworn I saw this discussed somewhere before, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Oh well.<br /> <br /> Anyway, at some point in HGSS (not sure exactly when) the third starter Pokemon which wasn't chosen by the PC or the rival mysteriously vanishes from its place in Elm's lab. (The game text when the... whatever that machine is... is examined is something along the lines of, &quot;Hey! The third Pokeball is gone! Was it given to someone?&quot; though I can't be bothered to switch games in my DS to check for sure.) I figure that this is notable enough to go into the article, and I'd put it in there myself, but I quite honestly don't know if its disappearance is ever explained, and I figure that if it ''were'' explained that should go in the article too.<br /> <br /> Thoughts?/Anyone know what in the world happened to it? &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :If you're looking for a general discussion on this, head to the forums. Pedia-wise, the only thing we can really do is say that it vanishes and we don't know where to. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Nah, wasn't looking for a general discussion. I brought it up for the purpose of adding it into the article... And I haven't beaten the game yet, so I don't know if its disappearance is left unexplained, and that's why I didn't want to say that in the article (maybe it is explained, and I just haven't gotten that far yet!). I thought maybe someone else would have the answer so that it could be added to the article, definitively stating whether its disappearance was explained or not. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can someone please put these up? ==<br /> <br /> They're missing from the page. Pokabu's picture is the only one on there. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Was this ever confirmed? ==<br /> <br /> On the article it said &quot;In Pokémon Black and White, the regional professor, yet unnamed, will offer the player a choice of the Grass-type Tsutarja, the Fire-type Pokabu, or the Water-type Mijumaru. &quot; It's very likely this is true, but this was never confirmed so should we edit it?--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 18:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :It's been proven. There's even an official site of the game that confirms this. - [[User:050294|050294]] 23:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::I think what he means is, does the professor actually give it to the player, or is there a situation similar to DPPt, where they decide to take them and are allowed to keep them later, et cetera.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Yeah, that's what I mean.--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ranger &quot;starters&quot;? ==<br /> <br /> I just now noticed that the Ranger partner Pokemon weren't included in the page (but I remember them being on there before). But can they be considered starter Pokemon? They probably weren't the first Pokemon the player captured (except in the first ranger game), but they are the first Pokemon they get to keep for themselves. So can they still be considered starters?<br /> <br /> <br /> == Cheren &amp; Bel Starters ==<br /> <br /> <br /> Example: I choose Pokabu, Cheren will Choose Mijumaru and Belle will chose Tsutarja. But this is <br /> <br /> not confirmmed---[[User:Franztrovao]] July 24, 2010 - 18:10 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It '''''IS''''' confirmed ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Since I want no part in the edit war, I'm going to explain the trivia piece here:<br /> <br /> &lt;code&gt;<br /> As of [[Generation IV]], every '''starter-type''' in the main series (with the exception of {{p|Pikachu}}) has have one Pokémon in its final-stage of evolution to have a double weakness; {{p|Charizard}} is doubly weak to {{type|Rock}}, {{p|Swampert}} is doubly weak to {{type|Grass}} and {{p|Torterra}} is doubly weak to {{type|Ice}}.&lt;/code&gt;<br /> <br /> It doesn't say by generation. It says by starter ''type''. That means Fire, Water, and Grass.<br /> Charizard, Torterra, and Swampert are members of these respective types and have double weaknesses. The trivia, meaning-wise, is fine. (Unless one were to count Bulbasaur's Poison typing...)<br /> <br /> So yeah, if you're going to remove it, remove it for a different reason plz and thanks.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Mystery Dungeon initial Pokémon be considered starters? ==<br /> <br /> I've looked through Mystery Dungeon: Blue's manual, Bulbapedia's pages on all three sets of games, and the official Explorers of Sky webpage and have seen no mention of the initial Pokémon from MD as &quot;starters&quot;, just &quot;Hero Pokémon&quot; (for the player) and &quot;Partner Pokémon&quot; (for the partner). They seem to lack the basic criteria for being starters (the initial Pokémon owned by a ''trainer''), even more so than the Ranger's [[Partner Pokémon]] which were already deemed not to be starters. Now I'll admit I never even played through Blue fully (and never played the others), so there may be something in-game, but I think we should separate them into their own ''Hero and Partner Pokémon'' page or something, as they don't seem to belong here. '''[[User:Memo326|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#151B8D;&quot;&gt;Memo&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;i&gt;[[User talk:Memo326|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8D38C9;&quot;&gt;326&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt; 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Completely agree. I've fixed this page, but the navigation template needs to be modified still. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Yellow Evolution ==<br /> <br /> The article says that the rival's {{p|Eevee}} evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Flareon}} or {{p|Vaporeon}} depending on the outcomes of battles between the player and the rival. Specifically, which battles are important, and how do the results affect the evolution? It seems like this would be a useful thing to add to the article. I believe that if the player loses the first battle in Pallet Town, the {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into a {{p|Vaporeon}}, but this should probably be double-checked. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 20:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ive heard that if you win both battles, lose both battles, or lose one and win one, the outcome will be different. But im not that far in the game so I don't know the specific outcomes. --[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 21:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :It's explained in more detail [[Blue (game)/Yellow|here]]. Basically the results of the first two possible battles are summed. Two wins = Jolteon. One win and one loss/skip = Flareon. Two losses/One loss one skip = Vaporeon. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Lyra/Khoury ==<br /> <br /> Is it confirmed that Lyra and Khoury received their starters from Professor Elm or is it speculation? [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mystery Dungeon and Ranger starters ==<br /> <br /> I think we need to move the starters of Mystery Dungeon to Player character, because thats basically what they are, people you can play as. Also, the Ranger Pokemon should be removed because we already have the Partner Pokemon page, which contains the same information. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> :I agree with both. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that they should still be linked with {{template|main}}. Also, Rumble is in the same situation as PMD. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Trivia (yeah, I know it's a little big already) ==<br /> <br /> (First time, forgive me if I screw this up horribly)<br /> <br /> Since Pikachu knows Thundershock, Yellow is the only main series game in which the player's starter pokemon begins play with a STAB move. Incidentally, the Rival's starter also has a STAB move, as Eevee knows tackle and is of the normal-type. <br /> <br /> There's probably a better way of wording this. but I thought it was neat.<br /> 22:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)HH<br /> <br /> == Definition of starter Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> I've always thought of starter Pokémon as meaning the sets of three Pokémon that are given by the professor, not merely a Trainer's first Pokémon. I don't mind including Pikachu and Eevee, ''that'' much (although I'm still uncertain about them), adding Marill and Ralts, and calling things like [[Growlie]] &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; just seems wrong to me. If people really want to list Trainer's first Pokémon, then I think that page should be at {{redlink|first Pokémon}}; however, IMO starter Pokémon should refer only to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and maybe Pikachu and Eevee if you really want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Personally, I feel it's the Pokémon someone ''starts'' with. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree with Jo, even though the ones listed by SnorlaxMonster are treated completely different from the other &quot;first Pokémon&quot; from other media. Since this page is huge, maybe splitting into &quot;Starter Pokémon (main series)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (spin-off)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (anime)&quot; and &quot;Starter Pokémon (Adventures)&quot; could be taken into account but is not the best option. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 10:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::Splitting like that completely ignores the point. The idea is that the Pokémon I listed are a group of Pokémon, while this page just lists the first Pokémon of a bunch of Trainers. If we want to redefine starter Pokémon as &quot;the first Pokémon a Trainer owns&quot; rather than the traditional &quot;the three Pokémon that Trainers can choose from to start their journey&quot; and give the traditional grouping their own name, then while I wouldn't prefer it, it would be better than what we have now. What I'm saying is that we have a distinct group of Pokémon that the fandom have always called &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, and this page seems to have merged that group with everyone's first Pokémon. So regardless of what you want to call &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, the traditional starter Pokémon need a separate page from people's first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, I would define the starter pokemon as the sets of three plus Pikachu and Eevee. We categorize pokemon beyond their obvious classification by their secondary characteristics. Legendary Pokemon, other than those explicitly called out as such, are typically unique pokemon within the games that may or may not have a defining role in the story- even beginning trainers have a pretty good idea what you're talking about when you say &quot;legendary&quot;. Pseudo-Legendaries bear some explanation, but fall within obviously recognizable parameters- 600 base stats, typically a double weakness to something, general badassedness, etc. The &quot;starters&quot; of the main series of games are typically in line in terms of stats and evolutions without significant variation- It would not surprise me if next generation we had to call out Charizard and Typhlosion as the exceptions to the &quot;Fire/Fighting Rule&quot;. Spinoff series games should at best get their own page and at worst be merely mentioned on their own page. &quot;Games&quot; that are effectively pokedexes shouldn't be listed at all outside the article affirming their existence, as there is no meaningful way to interact with them. Eevee and Pikachu get to be the exceptions because they ''are'' the exceptions- the only main series game not to play by their own rules. You might not even list Eevee, as it's not technically an option for the trainer- It's not a &quot;starter&quot; pokemon, it's a &quot;rival&quot; pokemon.[[User:TheHateHat|TheHateHat]] ([[User talk:TheHateHat|talk]]) 04:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::I going to say that there needs to be a distinction between &quot;starter&quot; and &quot;first&quot;. For example, in the TCG a &quot;starter set&quot; is a set intended for people just starting to learn the TCG. However, it does not have to be their first TCG set, and their first TCG set is not necessarily a &quot;starter set&quot;. A &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; is a Pokémon given to Trainers when they begin their journey to get them started. Therefore, instances like Wally's Ralts are not starter Pokémon; it is his first Pokémon, and if people want that to have a page that's fine, but they shouldn't be here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I second that. The eighteen starter Pokémon from main series games must have an article of their own, they are a group of distinct Pokémon, always treated specially in every medium of the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Eevee in Yellow ==<br /> <br /> It seems strange to me that Eevee should be included as a starter Pokemon in Yellow on the bit at the bottom of pages about specific starter Pokemon. (Sorry don't know the correct technical term.) The player cannot start with Eevee. If the starter Pokemon of NPCs qualify for this definition of starter Pokemon then surely every known starter Pokemon for NPCs should be added to both of these sections in order to be logically consistent? If it is just because Blue is the rival of this game that his starter is notable why aren't the starters of Wally and Ethan/Lyra as NPCs? I understand their inclusion in the article but I don't understand how Blue's Eevee is any more notable than the starters of those two trainers, particularly not to the degree that it gets a mention at the bottom of the page when the others don't. [[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 17:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eevee was supposed to be player's starter, but Blue snatched it. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::But it is still not an option for the player to get it, which is more the point I feel. It is still not an option to start with. No matter what the storyline claims, the player was never &quot;supposed&quot; to get Eevee. Also, I'm not even sure the storyline DOES claim that.[[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Any Pokémon given by the Professor is a starter Pokémon, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fire Starter Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that there's a trend that all of the fire starters are all members of the Chinese Zodiac? There's been dragon (the Charmander line), rat (Cyndaquil being the fire '''mouse''' pokemon), rooster (the Torchic line), monkey (the Chimchar line), pig (the Tepig line), and just recently, dog (Fennekin being a fox). --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I say this is more opinion than fact. Yes, Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokémon but it isn't based on a mouse (or a rat). Fennekin, while based of a species of canines, isn't a dog. Though I agree with the others. So you could say I'm neutral/indifferent on this trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Yes, I know that Cyndaquil isn't based on an actual mouse, but the species name still counts and fox should be close enough to dog to count. --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shininess ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible that received starter in main series will be shiny?<br /> [[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 19:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> : Yes, it's the same probability as if you were to catch them in the wild (approximately 1/8192). [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto Starters for X and Y ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Soon afterwards, Professor Sycamore will give the player a choice between one of the classic Kanto starter Pokémon, whom, upon reaching their final stages, will have access to Mega Evolved forms, given the prequisite Mega Stone.&quot;<br /> <br /> This is more speculation than factual. We do not meet Professor Sycamore until Lumoise City. This was stated in the preview clips when he was released as well as stated on the main web site. Lumoise City is after the first Gym so the player has a good bit of play time before they ever meet Professor Sycamore in Lumoise. We also have not been given any information as to whether or not the Kanto Starters are Post Game hand outs like all other Non-Regional Starters are like in Pokemon Emerald and forward. Should probably wait for more information before saying we get two starters in the game since this has the makings of being post-game hand outs like they always end up. [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :While I do believe we should wait till we have more information on this, I thought we had more reason to believe that the Kanto starters weren't post-game hand outs. First of all, I don't believe they revealed post-game starters before during pre-release. And second, I believe in the Pokémon Direct, the man asked Masuda if there was going to be anything different about this game. Masuda then answered by talking about Sycamore giving out one of the Kanto starters. If it was post-game, that wouldn't be different from previous games at all. They even showed that picture with the three Kalos starters and the three Kanto starters. I think that the implication is that we're supposed to have 2 starters early on this time around. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you actually watched the Pokémon Direct, you would have heard that you get both starters near the beginning of the game. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::''&quot;In the past Pokémon games, the story began when the Pokémon Professor let you choose one of three Pokémon. However, in Pokémon X and Y your first partner Pokémon; Chespin, Fennekin, or Froakie; won't be given to you from the Professor but by your friend instead. Then you'll receive a different Pokémon from the Professor later on. What you get from the Professor is one of the partner Pokémon from the original Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue.&quot;'' 11:45 - 12:30<br /> :::No where does it say you get both at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the Professor isn't even in the starting town. We can't say for sure when you'll officially meet the Professor in-game. Even if the city itself is post-first gym, he might not be there. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == XY? ==<br /> <br /> Would you say the xy starters are not official starters because a professor doesn't give them to you? So they may not be deemed good enough for starter trainers? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :A starter Pokemon is a Pokemon a beginning Trainer starts their journey with. XY is clearly indicating that it doesn't matter where you get them from, as long as you start with it, it's a starter. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Friend Safari==<br /> <br /> Do the kanto starter first stage evos in the Friend Safari count as legitimately obtaining all three starter pokemon from a previous game? [[User:Yveltal0003|Yveltal0003]] ([[User talk:Yveltal0003|talk]]) 19:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tierno and Trevor ==<br /> <br /> Should their starters in XY be included? They don't pick from the three but they both only have two Pokemon when you first have a double battle with them and Serena. I think one of them's starter was Pikachu but I can't remember who. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think we can confirm what their actual Starter Pokémon are or when they got them, seeming they could of switched them before you battle them. Unless its explicitly stated, I think we should just say that there could be other options for Starter Pokémon than those given, although that's just my opinion on the matter. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Turn sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can anyone turn sprites into artwork because we're at Generation VI? Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Split ==<br /> <br /> SnorlaxMonster suggested this {{DL|Talk:Starter Pokémon|Definition of starter Pokémon|in an above section}}, but nothing came of it, so I'm slapping on the split template so that hopefully, even if no consensus comes of discussion, it'll go to the staff on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ the forum thread]. I propose that the traditional Grass/Fire/Water trios comprise an article, and all other Pokémon that Trainers in various media start with comprise another. I suggest ''Starter Pokémon'' and ''First Pokémon'', respectively, but any number of other names are also possible. The main thing is that the Grass/Fire/Water trios differ significantly from starting Pokémon in side games, the anime, the manga, etc. The two sets need to be treated separately.<br /> <br /> Whether to include the Pikachu and Eevee from Yellow is a bone of contention that I'd prefer not to overshadow this, but since it's relevant, I will give my opinion on it. Under no circumstances should Eevee be included, because it's the rival's, not the players. (Same conditions as Marill and Ralts.) Pikachu's more of a gray area, but it doesn't fill the same role statistically or in availability in any other game, so I feel it also doesn't belong with the Grass/Fire/Water trios despite being a starting Pokémon for the player in the main series.[[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The only issue I have with this is that there is still the issue of Orre and Pokétopia, though it sounds like under the proposal it would be a First Pokémon over a Starter Pokémon. My two cents is that there is a bit of gray area currently, though they are called &quot;the big three&quot; for Japanese players. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::If a &quot;starter Pokemon&quot; is something you get to choose, then none of Orre, Poketopia, or Yellow will count. Your &quot;first Pokemon&quot; is just something you're saddled with, then. I don't have a big problem with that sort of definition. As things stand, though, Poketopia's inclusion seems pretty dumb, to me. I like Colo and XD counting, because those actually have stories (like the main games) besides connecting with main games; but it doesn't seem that PBR has a story. It just seems like a glorified Pokemon Stadium. I'm not a fan of it &quot;counting&quot;, period, whether for &quot;starters&quot; (of whatever definition) or &quot;firsts&quot; (I think). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::P.S.: Oh, one can argue, though, that with XD's Eevee, you get your &quot;choice&quot; when you choose who to evolve Eevee into. And that at least includes Water and Fire (and then some), if not Grass. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::I feel as though &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; should refer only to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios. I can accept Pikachu and Eevee under some interpretations, but I really don't think they count. &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; is an official term, the problem is that it's difficult to find it actually defined (but I don't believe I've ever seen it used to describe Pikachu or Eevee); perhaps if somewhere the &quot;Kanto starter Pokémon&quot; is used to refer to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, that could count as excluding Pikachu and Eevee from being starters. Regardless, I think the generational elemental trios clearly share commonalities that Eevee and Pikachu do not. I don't even know if &quot;first Pokémon&quot; deserves a page, but I certainly think that info does not belong here. (Also, thanks for reviving my suggestion. I have a bunch that I've put forward in many places that even I've forgotten about, so it's always nice to see someone else take interest.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::While I feel like &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; usually refers to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios, I don't feel like special cases like Pikachu should be excluded/ignored (especially since Pokémon Yellow was a main series game). I don't agree with the rival's Pokémon being listed though, because they're never given to the player and thus technically not Starter Pokémon for us. It really depends how we're defining starter Pokémon, because if we're describing them as &quot;First Pokémon, distributed or given without having to catch them, usually by a Professor&quot; then Pikachu fits in that definition. Even if we decide to remove Pikachu and co. from the page, I'd at least like to see Pikachu listed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 20:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I find splitting Starter Pokémon from First Pokémon redundant. Not only do they have similar meanings, your starters are your first Pokémon, which is why they are called starters in the first place. Pikachu was your starter in Yellow despite not being a Fire, Water, or Grass type Pokémon. I don't get why we'd need to split the official and unofficial starters. If this proposal succeeds, I would start a new proposal to merge them. I strongly oppose the split. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::I agree. A starter Pokémon is not defined by type. That's just stupid. A starter Pokémon is a Pokémon that you START with. That doesn't mean it has to be a grass/fire/water at all! And, that also means that the rival's Eevee, Marill, or Ralts all count as well. It is the Pokémon that they START with. It's a fact. Deal with it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Starter Pokémon are called such because they are are started with. It is never stated that other Pokémon aren't starters, because they technically are. ''Start''er Pokémon. EDIT: If they are split, I think that everything but what the player starts with in the main series should be on starter, everything else on first. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 18:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC), edit time 18:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::In official materials, &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; always seems to be used to refer to the Grass-Fire-Water trios. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/chronicles-14-journey-to-the-starting-line/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/07_31-six-pack-attack/] [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-gb/pokemon/starters/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/10_01-following-a-maidens-voyage/] [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/16_12-new-placesfamiliar-faces/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/08_40-the-right-place-and-the-right-mime/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/super-smash-bros-brawl/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-emerald-version/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/explore-and-watch/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/black-white-cards]. I get that people would like the term to also refer to any Pokémon that any character has as their first Pokémon, but that is simply unsupported. The Grass-Fire-Water trios are clearly a distinct group, and they need a specific name to refer to them; officially, this has always been &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, which has also excluded any other Pokémon a character may have as their first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why is Marill on this page? ==<br /> <br /> Why is Marill on the page? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Because {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} has it. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 00:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh I see now, I miss read the entry.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::Just because Ethan/Lyra has it does not make it a starter IMO. same with Wally's Ralts. we might need to re-discuss this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia (Could be added to a trivia point speaking of egg group) ==<br /> <br /> ................. and Treecko and Charmander are the only starter pokemon to belonging to part dragon egg group. {{unsigned|Tgage}}<br /> :If two are in it, it's not unique and therefore not notable, even with the cool factors of dragons added to the equation. You could make a case for noting how Chimchar's the only one in Human-Like, but I think that may be the only one in a unique group. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] &lt;sup&gt;~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Mega Evolution Table==<br /> Could someone fix the table that shows the mega evolutions of all the starters? Currently they're all redlinks, but when I tried to fix it myself it messed up the images. [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos starters gender ratio ==<br /> <br /> Okay so I have played through both x and y a few diferent times here and only ONCE has there been a male fennekin. My fist play through of Y I choose fennekin and she was female. Shaunas Chespin was also female. Further more I have started quite a few different play through in X due to always losing my nuzlocks and first go my forkie was female and shaunas fennekin was also female. second time through my froakie was male but still shauna fennekin was female. Ive also gotten 3 resets in a row female chespin. <br /> I dont know about froakie and chespin but Im PRETTY POSITIVE fennekins line is 75% female. Ive only seen 1 male fennekin in a lets play on youtube as well out of about 5 lets plays Ive watched. <br /> Im also fairly certain that frokie's line is 50/50 on gender and maybe chespins. <br /> I dont belive anyone can go through the code as of yet but Id like some proof at its still 75% the starter is male. I believe the reason they did that in gen 2 was so starters were more rare if you didnt know about ditto but that trend has kinda gotten out dated with everyone knowing of ditto and such. <br /> So yeah I believe the gender ratio should be unknown of the kalos starters until we can get official proof of it. <br /> I will say I have not done any breeding of the starters yet but think Ill start filling up a box for each one and post my results.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Furry|Furry]] ([[User talk:Furry|talk]]) 02:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : All of the starters have always had the same gender ratio, so not only is it probably safe to assume that the Kalos starters are the same but also people have the ability to see the coding of the games and as such we come up with the gender ratios for the Pokemon.<br /> <br /> Also, almost all of the starters I have are male.--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 17:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos secondary triangle ==<br /> <br /> The Kalos starters have, in their final forms, two type triangles: Grass/Fire/Water and Fighting/Psychic/Dark. This is notable. Yet it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Starter_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;curid=1162&amp;diff=2134311&amp;oldid=2134310 was removed].<br /> <br /> But, you say: Dark is ''immune'' to Psychic rather than just being resistant. Well...so? Practically speaking, that is a trivial difference. If I put {{p|Braixen}} in against {{p|Chesnaught}}, Braixen has little to fear from Chesnaught's STAB moves whereas Chesnaught must fear any of Braixen's STAB moves. By the same token, if I put {{p|Greninja}} in against Braixen, Greninja has little to fear from Braixen's STAB moves whereas Braixen must fear any of Greninja's STAB moves. It's basically irrelevant that Greninja has ''even less'' to fear from Braixen than Braixen/Chesnaught do from Chesnaught/Greninja. The essential fact remains: by their typings (in their final forms), each of the starters has the advantage, ''both offensivley and defensively'', against another one of the starters in a triangular fashion.<br /> <br /> It is irrelevant that Dark is immune to Psychic. The essential fact of &quot;This Pokemon can do well against that one but not against the other one&quot; is exactly the same. Both triangles are valid and this second one deserves noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I think the inital trivia note on it before it was changed is valid<br /> ::* The Kalos starter Pokémon's secondary types ({{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}, and {{t|Dark}}) almost form another type-advantage triangle, being broken by the fact that the Dark type is immune to the Psychic type.<br /> : Someone changed it which ultimately caused it to become confusing and end up being removed as it was fine for however long it was on there until it was removed (after rewording).--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That I wouldn't mind since it's not stating that the Dark/Psychic/Fighting creates a triangle that is exactly like the Grass/Fire/Water cycle. In fact, it's why I decided to leave it there when it was added the first time before it was reworded.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't see how the immunity breaks this though. It still forms a type triangle. Am I missing something? --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 08:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::The triangle is where the types are super effective to one type and resists the other. I feel that this is evident by Game Freak's continual usage of Grass/Fire/Water for the past six generations. Dark does not resist Psychic, thus breaking the triangle.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Gender ==<br /> Isn't the starter Pokémon always the same gender as the player? If it is, should'nt it be added? <br /> [[User:Lokki]] [[User talk:Lokki|Talk]] 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :No, it isn't always the same. [[User:RandomDSplayer|RandomDSplayer]] ([[User talk:RandomDSplayer|talk]]) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting trivia fact about the Fire-type starters.<br /> <br /> '''There has been a superstition that the Fire-type starters are based on the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. Some of the information is false, like Cyndaquil and Fennekin based on the rat and dog.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Speculation/opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact: May (Anime) ==<br /> <br /> Trivia Fact: May (Anime)<br /> <br /> '''The only Kanto starter that May did not catch or obtain is Charmander.'''<br /> <br /> This is true because she has Squirtle and Bulbasaur, but not Charmander. That's what I meant to say.<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

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<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact: May (Anime) */</p> <hr /> <div>==Normal Starters==<br /> Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the &quot;main&quot; games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.<br /> ::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::Exactly. And that's why we have the &quot;special starters&quot; section. They are starters, but not as much so as the &quot;main game&quot; ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == To add to Trivia ==<br /> <br /> I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.<br /> :Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == To Remove from Trivia ==<br /> &quot;Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type.&quot; This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that &quot;usually&quot; is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are &quot;usually&quot; one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pikachu==<br /> <br /> Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?<br /> :Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Colosseum elemental starters ==<br /> <br /> Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat &quot;starter&quot; Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you &quot;you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?&quot;. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obediance ==<br /> <br /> I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow &quot;catch&quot; a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]<br /> :::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia overload? ==<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BB0000&quot;&gt;'''''~Toastypk'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#770077&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sup&gt;Loom.&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#4B5320;&quot;&gt;'''Moldy'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:Moldy orange|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#ED9121;&quot;&gt;'''Orange'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==No editing?==<br /> Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gen IV type-trumping==<br /> I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:<br /> *Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape. <br /> *Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type. <br /> *Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types). <br /> [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]<br /> <br /> ==Gary's Starter==<br /> Is the statement &quot;it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee&quot; the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> == Platinum ==<br /> <br /> It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;Tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;X, PEACE TO&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;THE DRAGONS AND&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;THE BEASTS&lt;/font&gt;]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> I felt it would be interesting to note that all of the starter's first evolutions have the same base stat total of 405, whereas the base and final forms vary greatly.<br /> :Every middle evolution, you mean? Definitely something to say. But the final forms' variance needn't be mentioned; it's not like they're Butterfree vs Arceus in terms of BST difference. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Second Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be a good idea to post the fact that in the anime, the protagonist's starter Pokémon actually has a type advantage over the rival's starter Pokémon other than the other way around? (Ash obviously had Pikachu whereas Gary had Squirtle) Seems relevant --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] 03:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :No. Basically what they did was say Gary had a MYSTERY OMGEEZ and then an EEVEE OMGEEZ YELOW and then BLASTOISE HAHA. And by that third point, in Johto, Ash's Charizard counted almost as much as Pikachu anyway, especially considering the battle the two had using those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto starters in HGSS? ==<br /> <br /> I just got all 16 badges, Oak gives me a HM08, but no starter. Do i have to do something beforehand? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :This sounds kind of forum-y to me, but you might have to do the Copycat event first - I read somewhere that you have to do that in order to get a Hoenn starter from Steven, at least. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::All events done ''except for red''. do i have to beat him firsT? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The mystical, amazing disappearing starter Pokemon! ==<br /> <br /> I could have sworn I saw this discussed somewhere before, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Oh well.<br /> <br /> Anyway, at some point in HGSS (not sure exactly when) the third starter Pokemon which wasn't chosen by the PC or the rival mysteriously vanishes from its place in Elm's lab. (The game text when the... whatever that machine is... is examined is something along the lines of, &quot;Hey! The third Pokeball is gone! Was it given to someone?&quot; though I can't be bothered to switch games in my DS to check for sure.) I figure that this is notable enough to go into the article, and I'd put it in there myself, but I quite honestly don't know if its disappearance is ever explained, and I figure that if it ''were'' explained that should go in the article too.<br /> <br /> Thoughts?/Anyone know what in the world happened to it? &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :If you're looking for a general discussion on this, head to the forums. Pedia-wise, the only thing we can really do is say that it vanishes and we don't know where to. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Nah, wasn't looking for a general discussion. I brought it up for the purpose of adding it into the article... And I haven't beaten the game yet, so I don't know if its disappearance is left unexplained, and that's why I didn't want to say that in the article (maybe it is explained, and I just haven't gotten that far yet!). I thought maybe someone else would have the answer so that it could be added to the article, definitively stating whether its disappearance was explained or not. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can someone please put these up? ==<br /> <br /> They're missing from the page. Pokabu's picture is the only one on there. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Was this ever confirmed? ==<br /> <br /> On the article it said &quot;In Pokémon Black and White, the regional professor, yet unnamed, will offer the player a choice of the Grass-type Tsutarja, the Fire-type Pokabu, or the Water-type Mijumaru. &quot; It's very likely this is true, but this was never confirmed so should we edit it?--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 18:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :It's been proven. There's even an official site of the game that confirms this. - [[User:050294|050294]] 23:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::I think what he means is, does the professor actually give it to the player, or is there a situation similar to DPPt, where they decide to take them and are allowed to keep them later, et cetera.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Yeah, that's what I mean.--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ranger &quot;starters&quot;? ==<br /> <br /> I just now noticed that the Ranger partner Pokemon weren't included in the page (but I remember them being on there before). But can they be considered starter Pokemon? They probably weren't the first Pokemon the player captured (except in the first ranger game), but they are the first Pokemon they get to keep for themselves. So can they still be considered starters?<br /> <br /> <br /> == Cheren &amp; Bel Starters ==<br /> <br /> <br /> Example: I choose Pokabu, Cheren will Choose Mijumaru and Belle will chose Tsutarja. But this is <br /> <br /> not confirmmed---[[User:Franztrovao]] July 24, 2010 - 18:10 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It '''''IS''''' confirmed ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Since I want no part in the edit war, I'm going to explain the trivia piece here:<br /> <br /> &lt;code&gt;<br /> As of [[Generation IV]], every '''starter-type''' in the main series (with the exception of {{p|Pikachu}}) has have one Pokémon in its final-stage of evolution to have a double weakness; {{p|Charizard}} is doubly weak to {{type|Rock}}, {{p|Swampert}} is doubly weak to {{type|Grass}} and {{p|Torterra}} is doubly weak to {{type|Ice}}.&lt;/code&gt;<br /> <br /> It doesn't say by generation. It says by starter ''type''. That means Fire, Water, and Grass.<br /> Charizard, Torterra, and Swampert are members of these respective types and have double weaknesses. The trivia, meaning-wise, is fine. (Unless one were to count Bulbasaur's Poison typing...)<br /> <br /> So yeah, if you're going to remove it, remove it for a different reason plz and thanks.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Mystery Dungeon initial Pokémon be considered starters? ==<br /> <br /> I've looked through Mystery Dungeon: Blue's manual, Bulbapedia's pages on all three sets of games, and the official Explorers of Sky webpage and have seen no mention of the initial Pokémon from MD as &quot;starters&quot;, just &quot;Hero Pokémon&quot; (for the player) and &quot;Partner Pokémon&quot; (for the partner). They seem to lack the basic criteria for being starters (the initial Pokémon owned by a ''trainer''), even more so than the Ranger's [[Partner Pokémon]] which were already deemed not to be starters. Now I'll admit I never even played through Blue fully (and never played the others), so there may be something in-game, but I think we should separate them into their own ''Hero and Partner Pokémon'' page or something, as they don't seem to belong here. '''[[User:Memo326|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#151B8D;&quot;&gt;Memo&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;i&gt;[[User talk:Memo326|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8D38C9;&quot;&gt;326&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt; 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Completely agree. I've fixed this page, but the navigation template needs to be modified still. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Yellow Evolution ==<br /> <br /> The article says that the rival's {{p|Eevee}} evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Flareon}} or {{p|Vaporeon}} depending on the outcomes of battles between the player and the rival. Specifically, which battles are important, and how do the results affect the evolution? It seems like this would be a useful thing to add to the article. I believe that if the player loses the first battle in Pallet Town, the {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into a {{p|Vaporeon}}, but this should probably be double-checked. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 20:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ive heard that if you win both battles, lose both battles, or lose one and win one, the outcome will be different. But im not that far in the game so I don't know the specific outcomes. --[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 21:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :It's explained in more detail [[Blue (game)/Yellow|here]]. Basically the results of the first two possible battles are summed. Two wins = Jolteon. One win and one loss/skip = Flareon. Two losses/One loss one skip = Vaporeon. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Lyra/Khoury ==<br /> <br /> Is it confirmed that Lyra and Khoury received their starters from Professor Elm or is it speculation? [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mystery Dungeon and Ranger starters ==<br /> <br /> I think we need to move the starters of Mystery Dungeon to Player character, because thats basically what they are, people you can play as. Also, the Ranger Pokemon should be removed because we already have the Partner Pokemon page, which contains the same information. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> :I agree with both. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that they should still be linked with {{template|main}}. Also, Rumble is in the same situation as PMD. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Trivia (yeah, I know it's a little big already) ==<br /> <br /> (First time, forgive me if I screw this up horribly)<br /> <br /> Since Pikachu knows Thundershock, Yellow is the only main series game in which the player's starter pokemon begins play with a STAB move. Incidentally, the Rival's starter also has a STAB move, as Eevee knows tackle and is of the normal-type. <br /> <br /> There's probably a better way of wording this. but I thought it was neat.<br /> 22:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)HH<br /> <br /> == Definition of starter Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> I've always thought of starter Pokémon as meaning the sets of three Pokémon that are given by the professor, not merely a Trainer's first Pokémon. I don't mind including Pikachu and Eevee, ''that'' much (although I'm still uncertain about them), adding Marill and Ralts, and calling things like [[Growlie]] &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; just seems wrong to me. If people really want to list Trainer's first Pokémon, then I think that page should be at {{redlink|first Pokémon}}; however, IMO starter Pokémon should refer only to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and maybe Pikachu and Eevee if you really want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Personally, I feel it's the Pokémon someone ''starts'' with. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree with Jo, even though the ones listed by SnorlaxMonster are treated completely different from the other &quot;first Pokémon&quot; from other media. Since this page is huge, maybe splitting into &quot;Starter Pokémon (main series)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (spin-off)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (anime)&quot; and &quot;Starter Pokémon (Adventures)&quot; could be taken into account but is not the best option. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 10:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::Splitting like that completely ignores the point. The idea is that the Pokémon I listed are a group of Pokémon, while this page just lists the first Pokémon of a bunch of Trainers. If we want to redefine starter Pokémon as &quot;the first Pokémon a Trainer owns&quot; rather than the traditional &quot;the three Pokémon that Trainers can choose from to start their journey&quot; and give the traditional grouping their own name, then while I wouldn't prefer it, it would be better than what we have now. What I'm saying is that we have a distinct group of Pokémon that the fandom have always called &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, and this page seems to have merged that group with everyone's first Pokémon. So regardless of what you want to call &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, the traditional starter Pokémon need a separate page from people's first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, I would define the starter pokemon as the sets of three plus Pikachu and Eevee. We categorize pokemon beyond their obvious classification by their secondary characteristics. Legendary Pokemon, other than those explicitly called out as such, are typically unique pokemon within the games that may or may not have a defining role in the story- even beginning trainers have a pretty good idea what you're talking about when you say &quot;legendary&quot;. Pseudo-Legendaries bear some explanation, but fall within obviously recognizable parameters- 600 base stats, typically a double weakness to something, general badassedness, etc. The &quot;starters&quot; of the main series of games are typically in line in terms of stats and evolutions without significant variation- It would not surprise me if next generation we had to call out Charizard and Typhlosion as the exceptions to the &quot;Fire/Fighting Rule&quot;. Spinoff series games should at best get their own page and at worst be merely mentioned on their own page. &quot;Games&quot; that are effectively pokedexes shouldn't be listed at all outside the article affirming their existence, as there is no meaningful way to interact with them. Eevee and Pikachu get to be the exceptions because they ''are'' the exceptions- the only main series game not to play by their own rules. You might not even list Eevee, as it's not technically an option for the trainer- It's not a &quot;starter&quot; pokemon, it's a &quot;rival&quot; pokemon.[[User:TheHateHat|TheHateHat]] ([[User talk:TheHateHat|talk]]) 04:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::I going to say that there needs to be a distinction between &quot;starter&quot; and &quot;first&quot;. For example, in the TCG a &quot;starter set&quot; is a set intended for people just starting to learn the TCG. However, it does not have to be their first TCG set, and their first TCG set is not necessarily a &quot;starter set&quot;. A &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; is a Pokémon given to Trainers when they begin their journey to get them started. Therefore, instances like Wally's Ralts are not starter Pokémon; it is his first Pokémon, and if people want that to have a page that's fine, but they shouldn't be here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I second that. The eighteen starter Pokémon from main series games must have an article of their own, they are a group of distinct Pokémon, always treated specially in every medium of the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Eevee in Yellow ==<br /> <br /> It seems strange to me that Eevee should be included as a starter Pokemon in Yellow on the bit at the bottom of pages about specific starter Pokemon. (Sorry don't know the correct technical term.) The player cannot start with Eevee. If the starter Pokemon of NPCs qualify for this definition of starter Pokemon then surely every known starter Pokemon for NPCs should be added to both of these sections in order to be logically consistent? If it is just because Blue is the rival of this game that his starter is notable why aren't the starters of Wally and Ethan/Lyra as NPCs? I understand their inclusion in the article but I don't understand how Blue's Eevee is any more notable than the starters of those two trainers, particularly not to the degree that it gets a mention at the bottom of the page when the others don't. [[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 17:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eevee was supposed to be player's starter, but Blue snatched it. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::But it is still not an option for the player to get it, which is more the point I feel. It is still not an option to start with. No matter what the storyline claims, the player was never &quot;supposed&quot; to get Eevee. Also, I'm not even sure the storyline DOES claim that.[[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Any Pokémon given by the Professor is a starter Pokémon, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fire Starter Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that there's a trend that all of the fire starters are all members of the Chinese Zodiac? There's been dragon (the Charmander line), rat (Cyndaquil being the fire '''mouse''' pokemon), rooster (the Torchic line), monkey (the Chimchar line), pig (the Tepig line), and just recently, dog (Fennekin being a fox). --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I say this is more opinion than fact. Yes, Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokémon but it isn't based on a mouse (or a rat). Fennekin, while based of a species of canines, isn't a dog. Though I agree with the others. So you could say I'm neutral/indifferent on this trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Yes, I know that Cyndaquil isn't based on an actual mouse, but the species name still counts and fox should be close enough to dog to count. --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shininess ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible that received starter in main series will be shiny?<br /> [[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 19:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> : Yes, it's the same probability as if you were to catch them in the wild (approximately 1/8192). [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto Starters for X and Y ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Soon afterwards, Professor Sycamore will give the player a choice between one of the classic Kanto starter Pokémon, whom, upon reaching their final stages, will have access to Mega Evolved forms, given the prequisite Mega Stone.&quot;<br /> <br /> This is more speculation than factual. We do not meet Professor Sycamore until Lumoise City. This was stated in the preview clips when he was released as well as stated on the main web site. Lumoise City is after the first Gym so the player has a good bit of play time before they ever meet Professor Sycamore in Lumoise. We also have not been given any information as to whether or not the Kanto Starters are Post Game hand outs like all other Non-Regional Starters are like in Pokemon Emerald and forward. Should probably wait for more information before saying we get two starters in the game since this has the makings of being post-game hand outs like they always end up. [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :While I do believe we should wait till we have more information on this, I thought we had more reason to believe that the Kanto starters weren't post-game hand outs. First of all, I don't believe they revealed post-game starters before during pre-release. And second, I believe in the Pokémon Direct, the man asked Masuda if there was going to be anything different about this game. Masuda then answered by talking about Sycamore giving out one of the Kanto starters. If it was post-game, that wouldn't be different from previous games at all. They even showed that picture with the three Kalos starters and the three Kanto starters. I think that the implication is that we're supposed to have 2 starters early on this time around. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you actually watched the Pokémon Direct, you would have heard that you get both starters near the beginning of the game. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::''&quot;In the past Pokémon games, the story began when the Pokémon Professor let you choose one of three Pokémon. However, in Pokémon X and Y your first partner Pokémon; Chespin, Fennekin, or Froakie; won't be given to you from the Professor but by your friend instead. Then you'll receive a different Pokémon from the Professor later on. What you get from the Professor is one of the partner Pokémon from the original Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue.&quot;'' 11:45 - 12:30<br /> :::No where does it say you get both at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the Professor isn't even in the starting town. We can't say for sure when you'll officially meet the Professor in-game. Even if the city itself is post-first gym, he might not be there. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == XY? ==<br /> <br /> Would you say the xy starters are not official starters because a professor doesn't give them to you? So they may not be deemed good enough for starter trainers? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :A starter Pokemon is a Pokemon a beginning Trainer starts their journey with. XY is clearly indicating that it doesn't matter where you get them from, as long as you start with it, it's a starter. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Friend Safari==<br /> <br /> Do the kanto starter first stage evos in the Friend Safari count as legitimately obtaining all three starter pokemon from a previous game? [[User:Yveltal0003|Yveltal0003]] ([[User talk:Yveltal0003|talk]]) 19:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tierno and Trevor ==<br /> <br /> Should their starters in XY be included? They don't pick from the three but they both only have two Pokemon when you first have a double battle with them and Serena. I think one of them's starter was Pikachu but I can't remember who. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think we can confirm what their actual Starter Pokémon are or when they got them, seeming they could of switched them before you battle them. Unless its explicitly stated, I think we should just say that there could be other options for Starter Pokémon than those given, although that's just my opinion on the matter. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Turn sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can anyone turn sprites into artwork because we're at Generation VI? Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Split ==<br /> <br /> SnorlaxMonster suggested this {{DL|Talk:Starter Pokémon|Definition of starter Pokémon|in an above section}}, but nothing came of it, so I'm slapping on the split template so that hopefully, even if no consensus comes of discussion, it'll go to the staff on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ the forum thread]. I propose that the traditional Grass/Fire/Water trios comprise an article, and all other Pokémon that Trainers in various media start with comprise another. I suggest ''Starter Pokémon'' and ''First Pokémon'', respectively, but any number of other names are also possible. The main thing is that the Grass/Fire/Water trios differ significantly from starting Pokémon in side games, the anime, the manga, etc. The two sets need to be treated separately.<br /> <br /> Whether to include the Pikachu and Eevee from Yellow is a bone of contention that I'd prefer not to overshadow this, but since it's relevant, I will give my opinion on it. Under no circumstances should Eevee be included, because it's the rival's, not the players. (Same conditions as Marill and Ralts.) Pikachu's more of a gray area, but it doesn't fill the same role statistically or in availability in any other game, so I feel it also doesn't belong with the Grass/Fire/Water trios despite being a starting Pokémon for the player in the main series.[[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The only issue I have with this is that there is still the issue of Orre and Pokétopia, though it sounds like under the proposal it would be a First Pokémon over a Starter Pokémon. My two cents is that there is a bit of gray area currently, though they are called &quot;the big three&quot; for Japanese players. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::If a &quot;starter Pokemon&quot; is something you get to choose, then none of Orre, Poketopia, or Yellow will count. Your &quot;first Pokemon&quot; is just something you're saddled with, then. I don't have a big problem with that sort of definition. As things stand, though, Poketopia's inclusion seems pretty dumb, to me. I like Colo and XD counting, because those actually have stories (like the main games) besides connecting with main games; but it doesn't seem that PBR has a story. It just seems like a glorified Pokemon Stadium. I'm not a fan of it &quot;counting&quot;, period, whether for &quot;starters&quot; (of whatever definition) or &quot;firsts&quot; (I think). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::P.S.: Oh, one can argue, though, that with XD's Eevee, you get your &quot;choice&quot; when you choose who to evolve Eevee into. And that at least includes Water and Fire (and then some), if not Grass. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::I feel as though &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; should refer only to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios. I can accept Pikachu and Eevee under some interpretations, but I really don't think they count. &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; is an official term, the problem is that it's difficult to find it actually defined (but I don't believe I've ever seen it used to describe Pikachu or Eevee); perhaps if somewhere the &quot;Kanto starter Pokémon&quot; is used to refer to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, that could count as excluding Pikachu and Eevee from being starters. Regardless, I think the generational elemental trios clearly share commonalities that Eevee and Pikachu do not. I don't even know if &quot;first Pokémon&quot; deserves a page, but I certainly think that info does not belong here. (Also, thanks for reviving my suggestion. I have a bunch that I've put forward in many places that even I've forgotten about, so it's always nice to see someone else take interest.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::While I feel like &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; usually refers to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios, I don't feel like special cases like Pikachu should be excluded/ignored (especially since Pokémon Yellow was a main series game). I don't agree with the rival's Pokémon being listed though, because they're never given to the player and thus technically not Starter Pokémon for us. It really depends how we're defining starter Pokémon, because if we're describing them as &quot;First Pokémon, distributed or given without having to catch them, usually by a Professor&quot; then Pikachu fits in that definition. Even if we decide to remove Pikachu and co. from the page, I'd at least like to see Pikachu listed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 20:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I find splitting Starter Pokémon from First Pokémon redundant. Not only do they have similar meanings, your starters are your first Pokémon, which is why they are called starters in the first place. Pikachu was your starter in Yellow despite not being a Fire, Water, or Grass type Pokémon. I don't get why we'd need to split the official and unofficial starters. If this proposal succeeds, I would start a new proposal to merge them. I strongly oppose the split. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::I agree. A starter Pokémon is not defined by type. That's just stupid. A starter Pokémon is a Pokémon that you START with. That doesn't mean it has to be a grass/fire/water at all! And, that also means that the rival's Eevee, Marill, or Ralts all count as well. It is the Pokémon that they START with. It's a fact. Deal with it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Starter Pokémon are called such because they are are started with. It is never stated that other Pokémon aren't starters, because they technically are. ''Start''er Pokémon. EDIT: If they are split, I think that everything but what the player starts with in the main series should be on starter, everything else on first. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 18:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC), edit time 18:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::In official materials, &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; always seems to be used to refer to the Grass-Fire-Water trios. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/chronicles-14-journey-to-the-starting-line/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/07_31-six-pack-attack/] [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-gb/pokemon/starters/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/10_01-following-a-maidens-voyage/] [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/16_12-new-placesfamiliar-faces/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/08_40-the-right-place-and-the-right-mime/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/super-smash-bros-brawl/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-emerald-version/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/explore-and-watch/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/black-white-cards]. I get that people would like the term to also refer to any Pokémon that any character has as their first Pokémon, but that is simply unsupported. The Grass-Fire-Water trios are clearly a distinct group, and they need a specific name to refer to them; officially, this has always been &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, which has also excluded any other Pokémon a character may have as their first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why is Marill on this page? ==<br /> <br /> Why is Marill on the page? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Because {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} has it. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 00:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh I see now, I miss read the entry.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::Just because Ethan/Lyra has it does not make it a starter IMO. same with Wally's Ralts. we might need to re-discuss this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia (Could be added to a trivia point speaking of egg group) ==<br /> <br /> ................. and Treecko and Charmander are the only starter pokemon to belonging to part dragon egg group. {{unsigned|Tgage}}<br /> :If two are in it, it's not unique and therefore not notable, even with the cool factors of dragons added to the equation. You could make a case for noting how Chimchar's the only one in Human-Like, but I think that may be the only one in a unique group. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] &lt;sup&gt;~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Mega Evolution Table==<br /> Could someone fix the table that shows the mega evolutions of all the starters? Currently they're all redlinks, but when I tried to fix it myself it messed up the images. [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos starters gender ratio ==<br /> <br /> Okay so I have played through both x and y a few diferent times here and only ONCE has there been a male fennekin. My fist play through of Y I choose fennekin and she was female. Shaunas Chespin was also female. Further more I have started quite a few different play through in X due to always losing my nuzlocks and first go my forkie was female and shaunas fennekin was also female. second time through my froakie was male but still shauna fennekin was female. Ive also gotten 3 resets in a row female chespin. <br /> I dont know about froakie and chespin but Im PRETTY POSITIVE fennekins line is 75% female. Ive only seen 1 male fennekin in a lets play on youtube as well out of about 5 lets plays Ive watched. <br /> Im also fairly certain that frokie's line is 50/50 on gender and maybe chespins. <br /> I dont belive anyone can go through the code as of yet but Id like some proof at its still 75% the starter is male. I believe the reason they did that in gen 2 was so starters were more rare if you didnt know about ditto but that trend has kinda gotten out dated with everyone knowing of ditto and such. <br /> So yeah I believe the gender ratio should be unknown of the kalos starters until we can get official proof of it. <br /> I will say I have not done any breeding of the starters yet but think Ill start filling up a box for each one and post my results.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Furry|Furry]] ([[User talk:Furry|talk]]) 02:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : All of the starters have always had the same gender ratio, so not only is it probably safe to assume that the Kalos starters are the same but also people have the ability to see the coding of the games and as such we come up with the gender ratios for the Pokemon.<br /> <br /> Also, almost all of the starters I have are male.--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 17:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos secondary triangle ==<br /> <br /> The Kalos starters have, in their final forms, two type triangles: Grass/Fire/Water and Fighting/Psychic/Dark. This is notable. Yet it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Starter_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;curid=1162&amp;diff=2134311&amp;oldid=2134310 was removed].<br /> <br /> But, you say: Dark is ''immune'' to Psychic rather than just being resistant. Well...so? Practically speaking, that is a trivial difference. If I put {{p|Braixen}} in against {{p|Chesnaught}}, Braixen has little to fear from Chesnaught's STAB moves whereas Chesnaught must fear any of Braixen's STAB moves. By the same token, if I put {{p|Greninja}} in against Braixen, Greninja has little to fear from Braixen's STAB moves whereas Braixen must fear any of Greninja's STAB moves. It's basically irrelevant that Greninja has ''even less'' to fear from Braixen than Braixen/Chesnaught do from Chesnaught/Greninja. The essential fact remains: by their typings (in their final forms), each of the starters has the advantage, ''both offensivley and defensively'', against another one of the starters in a triangular fashion.<br /> <br /> It is irrelevant that Dark is immune to Psychic. The essential fact of &quot;This Pokemon can do well against that one but not against the other one&quot; is exactly the same. Both triangles are valid and this second one deserves noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I think the inital trivia note on it before it was changed is valid<br /> ::* The Kalos starter Pokémon's secondary types ({{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}, and {{t|Dark}}) almost form another type-advantage triangle, being broken by the fact that the Dark type is immune to the Psychic type.<br /> : Someone changed it which ultimately caused it to become confusing and end up being removed as it was fine for however long it was on there until it was removed (after rewording).--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That I wouldn't mind since it's not stating that the Dark/Psychic/Fighting creates a triangle that is exactly like the Grass/Fire/Water cycle. In fact, it's why I decided to leave it there when it was added the first time before it was reworded.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't see how the immunity breaks this though. It still forms a type triangle. Am I missing something? --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 08:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::The triangle is where the types are super effective to one type and resists the other. I feel that this is evident by Game Freak's continual usage of Grass/Fire/Water for the past six generations. Dark does not resist Psychic, thus breaking the triangle.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Gender ==<br /> Isn't the starter Pokémon always the same gender as the player? If it is, should'nt it be added? <br /> [[User:Lokki]] [[User talk:Lokki|Talk]] 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :No, it isn't always the same. [[User:RandomDSplayer|RandomDSplayer]] ([[User talk:RandomDSplayer|talk]]) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting trivia fact about the Fire-type starters.<br /> <br /> '''There has been a superstition that the Fire-type starters are based on the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. Some of the information is false, like Cyndaquil and Fennekin based on the rat and dog.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> :Speculation/opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact: May (Anime) ==<br /> <br /> Trivia Fact: May (Anime)<br /> <br /> '''The only Kanto starter that May did not catch or obtain is Charmander.''' This is true because she has Squirtle and Bulbasaur, but not Charmander.<br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

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<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact: May (Anime) */</p> <hr /> <div>==Normal Starters==<br /> Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the &quot;main&quot; games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.<br /> ::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::Exactly. And that's why we have the &quot;special starters&quot; section. They are starters, but not as much so as the &quot;main game&quot; ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == To add to Trivia ==<br /> <br /> I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.<br /> :Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == To Remove from Trivia ==<br /> &quot;Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type.&quot; This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that &quot;usually&quot; is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are &quot;usually&quot; one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pikachu==<br /> <br /> Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?<br /> :Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Colosseum elemental starters ==<br /> <br /> Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat &quot;starter&quot; Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you &quot;you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?&quot;. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obediance ==<br /> <br /> I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow &quot;catch&quot; a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]<br /> :::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia overload? ==<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BB0000&quot;&gt;'''''~Toastypk'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#770077&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sup&gt;Loom.&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#4B5320;&quot;&gt;'''Moldy'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:Moldy orange|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#ED9121;&quot;&gt;'''Orange'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==No editing?==<br /> Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gen IV type-trumping==<br /> I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:<br /> *Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape. <br /> *Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type. <br /> *Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types). <br /> [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]<br /> <br /> ==Gary's Starter==<br /> Is the statement &quot;it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee&quot; the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> == Platinum ==<br /> <br /> It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;Tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;X, PEACE TO&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;THE DRAGONS AND&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;THE BEASTS&lt;/font&gt;]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> I felt it would be interesting to note that all of the starter's first evolutions have the same base stat total of 405, whereas the base and final forms vary greatly.<br /> :Every middle evolution, you mean? Definitely something to say. But the final forms' variance needn't be mentioned; it's not like they're Butterfree vs Arceus in terms of BST difference. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Second Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be a good idea to post the fact that in the anime, the protagonist's starter Pokémon actually has a type advantage over the rival's starter Pokémon other than the other way around? (Ash obviously had Pikachu whereas Gary had Squirtle) Seems relevant --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] 03:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :No. Basically what they did was say Gary had a MYSTERY OMGEEZ and then an EEVEE OMGEEZ YELOW and then BLASTOISE HAHA. And by that third point, in Johto, Ash's Charizard counted almost as much as Pikachu anyway, especially considering the battle the two had using those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto starters in HGSS? ==<br /> <br /> I just got all 16 badges, Oak gives me a HM08, but no starter. Do i have to do something beforehand? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :This sounds kind of forum-y to me, but you might have to do the Copycat event first - I read somewhere that you have to do that in order to get a Hoenn starter from Steven, at least. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::All events done ''except for red''. do i have to beat him firsT? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The mystical, amazing disappearing starter Pokemon! ==<br /> <br /> I could have sworn I saw this discussed somewhere before, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Oh well.<br /> <br /> Anyway, at some point in HGSS (not sure exactly when) the third starter Pokemon which wasn't chosen by the PC or the rival mysteriously vanishes from its place in Elm's lab. (The game text when the... whatever that machine is... is examined is something along the lines of, &quot;Hey! The third Pokeball is gone! Was it given to someone?&quot; though I can't be bothered to switch games in my DS to check for sure.) I figure that this is notable enough to go into the article, and I'd put it in there myself, but I quite honestly don't know if its disappearance is ever explained, and I figure that if it ''were'' explained that should go in the article too.<br /> <br /> Thoughts?/Anyone know what in the world happened to it? &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :If you're looking for a general discussion on this, head to the forums. Pedia-wise, the only thing we can really do is say that it vanishes and we don't know where to. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Nah, wasn't looking for a general discussion. I brought it up for the purpose of adding it into the article... And I haven't beaten the game yet, so I don't know if its disappearance is left unexplained, and that's why I didn't want to say that in the article (maybe it is explained, and I just haven't gotten that far yet!). I thought maybe someone else would have the answer so that it could be added to the article, definitively stating whether its disappearance was explained or not. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can someone please put these up? ==<br /> <br /> They're missing from the page. Pokabu's picture is the only one on there. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Was this ever confirmed? ==<br /> <br /> On the article it said &quot;In Pokémon Black and White, the regional professor, yet unnamed, will offer the player a choice of the Grass-type Tsutarja, the Fire-type Pokabu, or the Water-type Mijumaru. &quot; It's very likely this is true, but this was never confirmed so should we edit it?--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 18:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :It's been proven. There's even an official site of the game that confirms this. - [[User:050294|050294]] 23:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::I think what he means is, does the professor actually give it to the player, or is there a situation similar to DPPt, where they decide to take them and are allowed to keep them later, et cetera.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Yeah, that's what I mean.--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ranger &quot;starters&quot;? ==<br /> <br /> I just now noticed that the Ranger partner Pokemon weren't included in the page (but I remember them being on there before). But can they be considered starter Pokemon? They probably weren't the first Pokemon the player captured (except in the first ranger game), but they are the first Pokemon they get to keep for themselves. So can they still be considered starters?<br /> <br /> <br /> == Cheren &amp; Bel Starters ==<br /> <br /> <br /> Example: I choose Pokabu, Cheren will Choose Mijumaru and Belle will chose Tsutarja. But this is <br /> <br /> not confirmmed---[[User:Franztrovao]] July 24, 2010 - 18:10 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It '''''IS''''' confirmed ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Since I want no part in the edit war, I'm going to explain the trivia piece here:<br /> <br /> &lt;code&gt;<br /> As of [[Generation IV]], every '''starter-type''' in the main series (with the exception of {{p|Pikachu}}) has have one Pokémon in its final-stage of evolution to have a double weakness; {{p|Charizard}} is doubly weak to {{type|Rock}}, {{p|Swampert}} is doubly weak to {{type|Grass}} and {{p|Torterra}} is doubly weak to {{type|Ice}}.&lt;/code&gt;<br /> <br /> It doesn't say by generation. It says by starter ''type''. That means Fire, Water, and Grass.<br /> Charizard, Torterra, and Swampert are members of these respective types and have double weaknesses. The trivia, meaning-wise, is fine. (Unless one were to count Bulbasaur's Poison typing...)<br /> <br /> So yeah, if you're going to remove it, remove it for a different reason plz and thanks.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Mystery Dungeon initial Pokémon be considered starters? ==<br /> <br /> I've looked through Mystery Dungeon: Blue's manual, Bulbapedia's pages on all three sets of games, and the official Explorers of Sky webpage and have seen no mention of the initial Pokémon from MD as &quot;starters&quot;, just &quot;Hero Pokémon&quot; (for the player) and &quot;Partner Pokémon&quot; (for the partner). They seem to lack the basic criteria for being starters (the initial Pokémon owned by a ''trainer''), even more so than the Ranger's [[Partner Pokémon]] which were already deemed not to be starters. Now I'll admit I never even played through Blue fully (and never played the others), so there may be something in-game, but I think we should separate them into their own ''Hero and Partner Pokémon'' page or something, as they don't seem to belong here. '''[[User:Memo326|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#151B8D;&quot;&gt;Memo&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;i&gt;[[User talk:Memo326|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8D38C9;&quot;&gt;326&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt; 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Completely agree. I've fixed this page, but the navigation template needs to be modified still. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Yellow Evolution ==<br /> <br /> The article says that the rival's {{p|Eevee}} evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Flareon}} or {{p|Vaporeon}} depending on the outcomes of battles between the player and the rival. Specifically, which battles are important, and how do the results affect the evolution? It seems like this would be a useful thing to add to the article. I believe that if the player loses the first battle in Pallet Town, the {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into a {{p|Vaporeon}}, but this should probably be double-checked. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 20:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ive heard that if you win both battles, lose both battles, or lose one and win one, the outcome will be different. But im not that far in the game so I don't know the specific outcomes. --[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 21:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :It's explained in more detail [[Blue (game)/Yellow|here]]. Basically the results of the first two possible battles are summed. Two wins = Jolteon. One win and one loss/skip = Flareon. Two losses/One loss one skip = Vaporeon. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Lyra/Khoury ==<br /> <br /> Is it confirmed that Lyra and Khoury received their starters from Professor Elm or is it speculation? [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mystery Dungeon and Ranger starters ==<br /> <br /> I think we need to move the starters of Mystery Dungeon to Player character, because thats basically what they are, people you can play as. Also, the Ranger Pokemon should be removed because we already have the Partner Pokemon page, which contains the same information. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> :I agree with both. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that they should still be linked with {{template|main}}. Also, Rumble is in the same situation as PMD. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Trivia (yeah, I know it's a little big already) ==<br /> <br /> (First time, forgive me if I screw this up horribly)<br /> <br /> Since Pikachu knows Thundershock, Yellow is the only main series game in which the player's starter pokemon begins play with a STAB move. Incidentally, the Rival's starter also has a STAB move, as Eevee knows tackle and is of the normal-type. <br /> <br /> There's probably a better way of wording this. but I thought it was neat.<br /> 22:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)HH<br /> <br /> == Definition of starter Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> I've always thought of starter Pokémon as meaning the sets of three Pokémon that are given by the professor, not merely a Trainer's first Pokémon. I don't mind including Pikachu and Eevee, ''that'' much (although I'm still uncertain about them), adding Marill and Ralts, and calling things like [[Growlie]] &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; just seems wrong to me. If people really want to list Trainer's first Pokémon, then I think that page should be at {{redlink|first Pokémon}}; however, IMO starter Pokémon should refer only to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and maybe Pikachu and Eevee if you really want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Personally, I feel it's the Pokémon someone ''starts'' with. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree with Jo, even though the ones listed by SnorlaxMonster are treated completely different from the other &quot;first Pokémon&quot; from other media. Since this page is huge, maybe splitting into &quot;Starter Pokémon (main series)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (spin-off)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (anime)&quot; and &quot;Starter Pokémon (Adventures)&quot; could be taken into account but is not the best option. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 10:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::Splitting like that completely ignores the point. The idea is that the Pokémon I listed are a group of Pokémon, while this page just lists the first Pokémon of a bunch of Trainers. If we want to redefine starter Pokémon as &quot;the first Pokémon a Trainer owns&quot; rather than the traditional &quot;the three Pokémon that Trainers can choose from to start their journey&quot; and give the traditional grouping their own name, then while I wouldn't prefer it, it would be better than what we have now. What I'm saying is that we have a distinct group of Pokémon that the fandom have always called &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, and this page seems to have merged that group with everyone's first Pokémon. So regardless of what you want to call &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, the traditional starter Pokémon need a separate page from people's first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, I would define the starter pokemon as the sets of three plus Pikachu and Eevee. We categorize pokemon beyond their obvious classification by their secondary characteristics. Legendary Pokemon, other than those explicitly called out as such, are typically unique pokemon within the games that may or may not have a defining role in the story- even beginning trainers have a pretty good idea what you're talking about when you say &quot;legendary&quot;. Pseudo-Legendaries bear some explanation, but fall within obviously recognizable parameters- 600 base stats, typically a double weakness to something, general badassedness, etc. The &quot;starters&quot; of the main series of games are typically in line in terms of stats and evolutions without significant variation- It would not surprise me if next generation we had to call out Charizard and Typhlosion as the exceptions to the &quot;Fire/Fighting Rule&quot;. Spinoff series games should at best get their own page and at worst be merely mentioned on their own page. &quot;Games&quot; that are effectively pokedexes shouldn't be listed at all outside the article affirming their existence, as there is no meaningful way to interact with them. Eevee and Pikachu get to be the exceptions because they ''are'' the exceptions- the only main series game not to play by their own rules. You might not even list Eevee, as it's not technically an option for the trainer- It's not a &quot;starter&quot; pokemon, it's a &quot;rival&quot; pokemon.[[User:TheHateHat|TheHateHat]] ([[User talk:TheHateHat|talk]]) 04:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::I going to say that there needs to be a distinction between &quot;starter&quot; and &quot;first&quot;. For example, in the TCG a &quot;starter set&quot; is a set intended for people just starting to learn the TCG. However, it does not have to be their first TCG set, and their first TCG set is not necessarily a &quot;starter set&quot;. A &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; is a Pokémon given to Trainers when they begin their journey to get them started. Therefore, instances like Wally's Ralts are not starter Pokémon; it is his first Pokémon, and if people want that to have a page that's fine, but they shouldn't be here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I second that. The eighteen starter Pokémon from main series games must have an article of their own, they are a group of distinct Pokémon, always treated specially in every medium of the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Eevee in Yellow ==<br /> <br /> It seems strange to me that Eevee should be included as a starter Pokemon in Yellow on the bit at the bottom of pages about specific starter Pokemon. (Sorry don't know the correct technical term.) The player cannot start with Eevee. If the starter Pokemon of NPCs qualify for this definition of starter Pokemon then surely every known starter Pokemon for NPCs should be added to both of these sections in order to be logically consistent? If it is just because Blue is the rival of this game that his starter is notable why aren't the starters of Wally and Ethan/Lyra as NPCs? I understand their inclusion in the article but I don't understand how Blue's Eevee is any more notable than the starters of those two trainers, particularly not to the degree that it gets a mention at the bottom of the page when the others don't. [[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 17:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eevee was supposed to be player's starter, but Blue snatched it. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::But it is still not an option for the player to get it, which is more the point I feel. It is still not an option to start with. No matter what the storyline claims, the player was never &quot;supposed&quot; to get Eevee. Also, I'm not even sure the storyline DOES claim that.[[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Any Pokémon given by the Professor is a starter Pokémon, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fire Starter Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that there's a trend that all of the fire starters are all members of the Chinese Zodiac? There's been dragon (the Charmander line), rat (Cyndaquil being the fire '''mouse''' pokemon), rooster (the Torchic line), monkey (the Chimchar line), pig (the Tepig line), and just recently, dog (Fennekin being a fox). --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I say this is more opinion than fact. Yes, Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokémon but it isn't based on a mouse (or a rat). Fennekin, while based of a species of canines, isn't a dog. Though I agree with the others. So you could say I'm neutral/indifferent on this trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Yes, I know that Cyndaquil isn't based on an actual mouse, but the species name still counts and fox should be close enough to dog to count. --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shininess ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible that received starter in main series will be shiny?<br /> [[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 19:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> : Yes, it's the same probability as if you were to catch them in the wild (approximately 1/8192). [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto Starters for X and Y ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Soon afterwards, Professor Sycamore will give the player a choice between one of the classic Kanto starter Pokémon, whom, upon reaching their final stages, will have access to Mega Evolved forms, given the prequisite Mega Stone.&quot;<br /> <br /> This is more speculation than factual. We do not meet Professor Sycamore until Lumoise City. This was stated in the preview clips when he was released as well as stated on the main web site. Lumoise City is after the first Gym so the player has a good bit of play time before they ever meet Professor Sycamore in Lumoise. We also have not been given any information as to whether or not the Kanto Starters are Post Game hand outs like all other Non-Regional Starters are like in Pokemon Emerald and forward. Should probably wait for more information before saying we get two starters in the game since this has the makings of being post-game hand outs like they always end up. [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :While I do believe we should wait till we have more information on this, I thought we had more reason to believe that the Kanto starters weren't post-game hand outs. First of all, I don't believe they revealed post-game starters before during pre-release. And second, I believe in the Pokémon Direct, the man asked Masuda if there was going to be anything different about this game. Masuda then answered by talking about Sycamore giving out one of the Kanto starters. If it was post-game, that wouldn't be different from previous games at all. They even showed that picture with the three Kalos starters and the three Kanto starters. I think that the implication is that we're supposed to have 2 starters early on this time around. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you actually watched the Pokémon Direct, you would have heard that you get both starters near the beginning of the game. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::''&quot;In the past Pokémon games, the story began when the Pokémon Professor let you choose one of three Pokémon. However, in Pokémon X and Y your first partner Pokémon; Chespin, Fennekin, or Froakie; won't be given to you from the Professor but by your friend instead. Then you'll receive a different Pokémon from the Professor later on. What you get from the Professor is one of the partner Pokémon from the original Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue.&quot;'' 11:45 - 12:30<br /> :::No where does it say you get both at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the Professor isn't even in the starting town. We can't say for sure when you'll officially meet the Professor in-game. Even if the city itself is post-first gym, he might not be there. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == XY? ==<br /> <br /> Would you say the xy starters are not official starters because a professor doesn't give them to you? So they may not be deemed good enough for starter trainers? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :A starter Pokemon is a Pokemon a beginning Trainer starts their journey with. XY is clearly indicating that it doesn't matter where you get them from, as long as you start with it, it's a starter. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Friend Safari==<br /> <br /> Do the kanto starter first stage evos in the Friend Safari count as legitimately obtaining all three starter pokemon from a previous game? [[User:Yveltal0003|Yveltal0003]] ([[User talk:Yveltal0003|talk]]) 19:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tierno and Trevor ==<br /> <br /> Should their starters in XY be included? They don't pick from the three but they both only have two Pokemon when you first have a double battle with them and Serena. I think one of them's starter was Pikachu but I can't remember who. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think we can confirm what their actual Starter Pokémon are or when they got them, seeming they could of switched them before you battle them. Unless its explicitly stated, I think we should just say that there could be other options for Starter Pokémon than those given, although that's just my opinion on the matter. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Turn sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can anyone turn sprites into artwork because we're at Generation VI? Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Split ==<br /> <br /> SnorlaxMonster suggested this {{DL|Talk:Starter Pokémon|Definition of starter Pokémon|in an above section}}, but nothing came of it, so I'm slapping on the split template so that hopefully, even if no consensus comes of discussion, it'll go to the staff on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ the forum thread]. I propose that the traditional Grass/Fire/Water trios comprise an article, and all other Pokémon that Trainers in various media start with comprise another. I suggest ''Starter Pokémon'' and ''First Pokémon'', respectively, but any number of other names are also possible. The main thing is that the Grass/Fire/Water trios differ significantly from starting Pokémon in side games, the anime, the manga, etc. The two sets need to be treated separately.<br /> <br /> Whether to include the Pikachu and Eevee from Yellow is a bone of contention that I'd prefer not to overshadow this, but since it's relevant, I will give my opinion on it. Under no circumstances should Eevee be included, because it's the rival's, not the players. (Same conditions as Marill and Ralts.) Pikachu's more of a gray area, but it doesn't fill the same role statistically or in availability in any other game, so I feel it also doesn't belong with the Grass/Fire/Water trios despite being a starting Pokémon for the player in the main series.[[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The only issue I have with this is that there is still the issue of Orre and Pokétopia, though it sounds like under the proposal it would be a First Pokémon over a Starter Pokémon. My two cents is that there is a bit of gray area currently, though they are called &quot;the big three&quot; for Japanese players. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::If a &quot;starter Pokemon&quot; is something you get to choose, then none of Orre, Poketopia, or Yellow will count. Your &quot;first Pokemon&quot; is just something you're saddled with, then. I don't have a big problem with that sort of definition. As things stand, though, Poketopia's inclusion seems pretty dumb, to me. I like Colo and XD counting, because those actually have stories (like the main games) besides connecting with main games; but it doesn't seem that PBR has a story. It just seems like a glorified Pokemon Stadium. I'm not a fan of it &quot;counting&quot;, period, whether for &quot;starters&quot; (of whatever definition) or &quot;firsts&quot; (I think). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::P.S.: Oh, one can argue, though, that with XD's Eevee, you get your &quot;choice&quot; when you choose who to evolve Eevee into. And that at least includes Water and Fire (and then some), if not Grass. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::I feel as though &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; should refer only to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios. I can accept Pikachu and Eevee under some interpretations, but I really don't think they count. &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; is an official term, the problem is that it's difficult to find it actually defined (but I don't believe I've ever seen it used to describe Pikachu or Eevee); perhaps if somewhere the &quot;Kanto starter Pokémon&quot; is used to refer to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, that could count as excluding Pikachu and Eevee from being starters. Regardless, I think the generational elemental trios clearly share commonalities that Eevee and Pikachu do not. I don't even know if &quot;first Pokémon&quot; deserves a page, but I certainly think that info does not belong here. (Also, thanks for reviving my suggestion. I have a bunch that I've put forward in many places that even I've forgotten about, so it's always nice to see someone else take interest.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::While I feel like &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; usually refers to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios, I don't feel like special cases like Pikachu should be excluded/ignored (especially since Pokémon Yellow was a main series game). I don't agree with the rival's Pokémon being listed though, because they're never given to the player and thus technically not Starter Pokémon for us. It really depends how we're defining starter Pokémon, because if we're describing them as &quot;First Pokémon, distributed or given without having to catch them, usually by a Professor&quot; then Pikachu fits in that definition. Even if we decide to remove Pikachu and co. from the page, I'd at least like to see Pikachu listed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 20:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I find splitting Starter Pokémon from First Pokémon redundant. Not only do they have similar meanings, your starters are your first Pokémon, which is why they are called starters in the first place. Pikachu was your starter in Yellow despite not being a Fire, Water, or Grass type Pokémon. I don't get why we'd need to split the official and unofficial starters. If this proposal succeeds, I would start a new proposal to merge them. I strongly oppose the split. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::I agree. A starter Pokémon is not defined by type. That's just stupid. A starter Pokémon is a Pokémon that you START with. That doesn't mean it has to be a grass/fire/water at all! And, that also means that the rival's Eevee, Marill, or Ralts all count as well. It is the Pokémon that they START with. It's a fact. Deal with it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Starter Pokémon are called such because they are are started with. It is never stated that other Pokémon aren't starters, because they technically are. ''Start''er Pokémon. EDIT: If they are split, I think that everything but what the player starts with in the main series should be on starter, everything else on first. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 18:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC), edit time 18:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::In official materials, &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; always seems to be used to refer to the Grass-Fire-Water trios. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/chronicles-14-journey-to-the-starting-line/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/07_31-six-pack-attack/] [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-gb/pokemon/starters/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/10_01-following-a-maidens-voyage/] [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/16_12-new-placesfamiliar-faces/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/08_40-the-right-place-and-the-right-mime/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/super-smash-bros-brawl/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-emerald-version/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/explore-and-watch/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/black-white-cards]. I get that people would like the term to also refer to any Pokémon that any character has as their first Pokémon, but that is simply unsupported. The Grass-Fire-Water trios are clearly a distinct group, and they need a specific name to refer to them; officially, this has always been &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, which has also excluded any other Pokémon a character may have as their first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why is Marill on this page? ==<br /> <br /> Why is Marill on the page? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Because {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} has it. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 00:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh I see now, I miss read the entry.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::Just because Ethan/Lyra has it does not make it a starter IMO. same with Wally's Ralts. we might need to re-discuss this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia (Could be added to a trivia point speaking of egg group) ==<br /> <br /> ................. and Treecko and Charmander are the only starter pokemon to belonging to part dragon egg group. {{unsigned|Tgage}}<br /> :If two are in it, it's not unique and therefore not notable, even with the cool factors of dragons added to the equation. You could make a case for noting how Chimchar's the only one in Human-Like, but I think that may be the only one in a unique group. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] &lt;sup&gt;~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Mega Evolution Table==<br /> Could someone fix the table that shows the mega evolutions of all the starters? Currently they're all redlinks, but when I tried to fix it myself it messed up the images. [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos starters gender ratio ==<br /> <br /> Okay so I have played through both x and y a few diferent times here and only ONCE has there been a male fennekin. My fist play through of Y I choose fennekin and she was female. Shaunas Chespin was also female. Further more I have started quite a few different play through in X due to always losing my nuzlocks and first go my forkie was female and shaunas fennekin was also female. second time through my froakie was male but still shauna fennekin was female. Ive also gotten 3 resets in a row female chespin. <br /> I dont know about froakie and chespin but Im PRETTY POSITIVE fennekins line is 75% female. Ive only seen 1 male fennekin in a lets play on youtube as well out of about 5 lets plays Ive watched. <br /> Im also fairly certain that frokie's line is 50/50 on gender and maybe chespins. <br /> I dont belive anyone can go through the code as of yet but Id like some proof at its still 75% the starter is male. I believe the reason they did that in gen 2 was so starters were more rare if you didnt know about ditto but that trend has kinda gotten out dated with everyone knowing of ditto and such. <br /> So yeah I believe the gender ratio should be unknown of the kalos starters until we can get official proof of it. <br /> I will say I have not done any breeding of the starters yet but think Ill start filling up a box for each one and post my results.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Furry|Furry]] ([[User talk:Furry|talk]]) 02:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : All of the starters have always had the same gender ratio, so not only is it probably safe to assume that the Kalos starters are the same but also people have the ability to see the coding of the games and as such we come up with the gender ratios for the Pokemon.<br /> <br /> Also, almost all of the starters I have are male.--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 17:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos secondary triangle ==<br /> <br /> The Kalos starters have, in their final forms, two type triangles: Grass/Fire/Water and Fighting/Psychic/Dark. This is notable. Yet it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Starter_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;curid=1162&amp;diff=2134311&amp;oldid=2134310 was removed].<br /> <br /> But, you say: Dark is ''immune'' to Psychic rather than just being resistant. Well...so? Practically speaking, that is a trivial difference. If I put {{p|Braixen}} in against {{p|Chesnaught}}, Braixen has little to fear from Chesnaught's STAB moves whereas Chesnaught must fear any of Braixen's STAB moves. By the same token, if I put {{p|Greninja}} in against Braixen, Greninja has little to fear from Braixen's STAB moves whereas Braixen must fear any of Greninja's STAB moves. It's basically irrelevant that Greninja has ''even less'' to fear from Braixen than Braixen/Chesnaught do from Chesnaught/Greninja. The essential fact remains: by their typings (in their final forms), each of the starters has the advantage, ''both offensivley and defensively'', against another one of the starters in a triangular fashion.<br /> <br /> It is irrelevant that Dark is immune to Psychic. The essential fact of &quot;This Pokemon can do well against that one but not against the other one&quot; is exactly the same. Both triangles are valid and this second one deserves noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I think the inital trivia note on it before it was changed is valid<br /> ::* The Kalos starter Pokémon's secondary types ({{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}, and {{t|Dark}}) almost form another type-advantage triangle, being broken by the fact that the Dark type is immune to the Psychic type.<br /> : Someone changed it which ultimately caused it to become confusing and end up being removed as it was fine for however long it was on there until it was removed (after rewording).--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That I wouldn't mind since it's not stating that the Dark/Psychic/Fighting creates a triangle that is exactly like the Grass/Fire/Water cycle. In fact, it's why I decided to leave it there when it was added the first time before it was reworded.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't see how the immunity breaks this though. It still forms a type triangle. Am I missing something? --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 08:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::The triangle is where the types are super effective to one type and resists the other. I feel that this is evident by Game Freak's continual usage of Grass/Fire/Water for the past six generations. Dark does not resist Psychic, thus breaking the triangle.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Gender ==<br /> Isn't the starter Pokémon always the same gender as the player? If it is, should'nt it be added? <br /> [[User:Lokki]] [[User talk:Lokki|Talk]] 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :No, it isn't always the same. [[User:RandomDSplayer|RandomDSplayer]] ([[User talk:RandomDSplayer|talk]]) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting trivia fact about the Fire-type starters.<br /> <br /> '''There has been a superstition that the Fire-type starters are based on the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. Some of the information is false, like Cyndaquil and Fennekin based on the rat and dog.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact: May (Anime) ==<br /> <br /> Trivia Fact: May (Anime)<br /> <br /> '''The only Kanto starter that May did not catch or obtain is Charmander.''' This is true because she already has Blaziken, a Fire starter native to Hoenn.<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

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<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact: May (Anime) */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==Normal Starters==<br /> Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the &quot;main&quot; games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.<br /> ::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::Exactly. And that's why we have the &quot;special starters&quot; section. They are starters, but not as much so as the &quot;main game&quot; ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == To add to Trivia ==<br /> <br /> I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.<br /> :Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == To Remove from Trivia ==<br /> &quot;Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type.&quot; This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that &quot;usually&quot; is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are &quot;usually&quot; one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pikachu==<br /> <br /> Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?<br /> :Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Colosseum elemental starters ==<br /> <br /> Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat &quot;starter&quot; Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you &quot;you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?&quot;. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obediance ==<br /> <br /> I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow &quot;catch&quot; a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]<br /> :::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia overload? ==<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BB0000&quot;&gt;'''''~Toastypk'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#770077&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sup&gt;Loom.&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#4B5320;&quot;&gt;'''Moldy'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:Moldy orange|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#ED9121;&quot;&gt;'''Orange'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==No editing?==<br /> Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gen IV type-trumping==<br /> I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:<br /> *Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape. <br /> *Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type. <br /> *Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types). <br /> [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]<br /> <br /> ==Gary's Starter==<br /> Is the statement &quot;it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee&quot; the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> == Platinum ==<br /> <br /> It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;Tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;X, PEACE TO&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;THE DRAGONS AND&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;THE BEASTS&lt;/font&gt;]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> I felt it would be interesting to note that all of the starter's first evolutions have the same base stat total of 405, whereas the base and final forms vary greatly.<br /> :Every middle evolution, you mean? Definitely something to say. But the final forms' variance needn't be mentioned; it's not like they're Butterfree vs Arceus in terms of BST difference. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Second Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be a good idea to post the fact that in the anime, the protagonist's starter Pokémon actually has a type advantage over the rival's starter Pokémon other than the other way around? (Ash obviously had Pikachu whereas Gary had Squirtle) Seems relevant --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] 03:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :No. Basically what they did was say Gary had a MYSTERY OMGEEZ and then an EEVEE OMGEEZ YELOW and then BLASTOISE HAHA. And by that third point, in Johto, Ash's Charizard counted almost as much as Pikachu anyway, especially considering the battle the two had using those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto starters in HGSS? ==<br /> <br /> I just got all 16 badges, Oak gives me a HM08, but no starter. Do i have to do something beforehand? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :This sounds kind of forum-y to me, but you might have to do the Copycat event first - I read somewhere that you have to do that in order to get a Hoenn starter from Steven, at least. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::All events done ''except for red''. do i have to beat him firsT? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The mystical, amazing disappearing starter Pokemon! ==<br /> <br /> I could have sworn I saw this discussed somewhere before, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Oh well.<br /> <br /> Anyway, at some point in HGSS (not sure exactly when) the third starter Pokemon which wasn't chosen by the PC or the rival mysteriously vanishes from its place in Elm's lab. (The game text when the... whatever that machine is... is examined is something along the lines of, &quot;Hey! The third Pokeball is gone! Was it given to someone?&quot; though I can't be bothered to switch games in my DS to check for sure.) I figure that this is notable enough to go into the article, and I'd put it in there myself, but I quite honestly don't know if its disappearance is ever explained, and I figure that if it ''were'' explained that should go in the article too.<br /> <br /> Thoughts?/Anyone know what in the world happened to it? &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :If you're looking for a general discussion on this, head to the forums. Pedia-wise, the only thing we can really do is say that it vanishes and we don't know where to. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Nah, wasn't looking for a general discussion. I brought it up for the purpose of adding it into the article... And I haven't beaten the game yet, so I don't know if its disappearance is left unexplained, and that's why I didn't want to say that in the article (maybe it is explained, and I just haven't gotten that far yet!). I thought maybe someone else would have the answer so that it could be added to the article, definitively stating whether its disappearance was explained or not. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can someone please put these up? ==<br /> <br /> They're missing from the page. Pokabu's picture is the only one on there. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Was this ever confirmed? ==<br /> <br /> On the article it said &quot;In Pokémon Black and White, the regional professor, yet unnamed, will offer the player a choice of the Grass-type Tsutarja, the Fire-type Pokabu, or the Water-type Mijumaru. &quot; It's very likely this is true, but this was never confirmed so should we edit it?--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 18:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :It's been proven. There's even an official site of the game that confirms this. - [[User:050294|050294]] 23:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::I think what he means is, does the professor actually give it to the player, or is there a situation similar to DPPt, where they decide to take them and are allowed to keep them later, et cetera.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Yeah, that's what I mean.--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ranger &quot;starters&quot;? ==<br /> <br /> I just now noticed that the Ranger partner Pokemon weren't included in the page (but I remember them being on there before). But can they be considered starter Pokemon? They probably weren't the first Pokemon the player captured (except in the first ranger game), but they are the first Pokemon they get to keep for themselves. So can they still be considered starters?<br /> <br /> <br /> == Cheren &amp; Bel Starters ==<br /> <br /> <br /> Example: I choose Pokabu, Cheren will Choose Mijumaru and Belle will chose Tsutarja. But this is <br /> <br /> not confirmmed---[[User:Franztrovao]] July 24, 2010 - 18:10 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It '''''IS''''' confirmed ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Since I want no part in the edit war, I'm going to explain the trivia piece here:<br /> <br /> &lt;code&gt;<br /> As of [[Generation IV]], every '''starter-type''' in the main series (with the exception of {{p|Pikachu}}) has have one Pokémon in its final-stage of evolution to have a double weakness; {{p|Charizard}} is doubly weak to {{type|Rock}}, {{p|Swampert}} is doubly weak to {{type|Grass}} and {{p|Torterra}} is doubly weak to {{type|Ice}}.&lt;/code&gt;<br /> <br /> It doesn't say by generation. It says by starter ''type''. That means Fire, Water, and Grass.<br /> Charizard, Torterra, and Swampert are members of these respective types and have double weaknesses. The trivia, meaning-wise, is fine. (Unless one were to count Bulbasaur's Poison typing...)<br /> <br /> So yeah, if you're going to remove it, remove it for a different reason plz and thanks.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Mystery Dungeon initial Pokémon be considered starters? ==<br /> <br /> I've looked through Mystery Dungeon: Blue's manual, Bulbapedia's pages on all three sets of games, and the official Explorers of Sky webpage and have seen no mention of the initial Pokémon from MD as &quot;starters&quot;, just &quot;Hero Pokémon&quot; (for the player) and &quot;Partner Pokémon&quot; (for the partner). They seem to lack the basic criteria for being starters (the initial Pokémon owned by a ''trainer''), even more so than the Ranger's [[Partner Pokémon]] which were already deemed not to be starters. Now I'll admit I never even played through Blue fully (and never played the others), so there may be something in-game, but I think we should separate them into their own ''Hero and Partner Pokémon'' page or something, as they don't seem to belong here. '''[[User:Memo326|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#151B8D;&quot;&gt;Memo&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;i&gt;[[User talk:Memo326|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8D38C9;&quot;&gt;326&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt; 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Completely agree. I've fixed this page, but the navigation template needs to be modified still. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Yellow Evolution ==<br /> <br /> The article says that the rival's {{p|Eevee}} evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Flareon}} or {{p|Vaporeon}} depending on the outcomes of battles between the player and the rival. Specifically, which battles are important, and how do the results affect the evolution? It seems like this would be a useful thing to add to the article. I believe that if the player loses the first battle in Pallet Town, the {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into a {{p|Vaporeon}}, but this should probably be double-checked. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 20:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ive heard that if you win both battles, lose both battles, or lose one and win one, the outcome will be different. But im not that far in the game so I don't know the specific outcomes. --[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 21:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :It's explained in more detail [[Blue (game)/Yellow|here]]. Basically the results of the first two possible battles are summed. Two wins = Jolteon. One win and one loss/skip = Flareon. Two losses/One loss one skip = Vaporeon. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Lyra/Khoury ==<br /> <br /> Is it confirmed that Lyra and Khoury received their starters from Professor Elm or is it speculation? [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mystery Dungeon and Ranger starters ==<br /> <br /> I think we need to move the starters of Mystery Dungeon to Player character, because thats basically what they are, people you can play as. Also, the Ranger Pokemon should be removed because we already have the Partner Pokemon page, which contains the same information. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> :I agree with both. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that they should still be linked with {{template|main}}. Also, Rumble is in the same situation as PMD. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Trivia (yeah, I know it's a little big already) ==<br /> <br /> (First time, forgive me if I screw this up horribly)<br /> <br /> Since Pikachu knows Thundershock, Yellow is the only main series game in which the player's starter pokemon begins play with a STAB move. Incidentally, the Rival's starter also has a STAB move, as Eevee knows tackle and is of the normal-type. <br /> <br /> There's probably a better way of wording this. but I thought it was neat.<br /> 22:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)HH<br /> <br /> == Definition of starter Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> I've always thought of starter Pokémon as meaning the sets of three Pokémon that are given by the professor, not merely a Trainer's first Pokémon. I don't mind including Pikachu and Eevee, ''that'' much (although I'm still uncertain about them), adding Marill and Ralts, and calling things like [[Growlie]] &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; just seems wrong to me. If people really want to list Trainer's first Pokémon, then I think that page should be at {{redlink|first Pokémon}}; however, IMO starter Pokémon should refer only to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and maybe Pikachu and Eevee if you really want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Personally, I feel it's the Pokémon someone ''starts'' with. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree with Jo, even though the ones listed by SnorlaxMonster are treated completely different from the other &quot;first Pokémon&quot; from other media. Since this page is huge, maybe splitting into &quot;Starter Pokémon (main series)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (spin-off)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (anime)&quot; and &quot;Starter Pokémon (Adventures)&quot; could be taken into account but is not the best option. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 10:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::Splitting like that completely ignores the point. The idea is that the Pokémon I listed are a group of Pokémon, while this page just lists the first Pokémon of a bunch of Trainers. If we want to redefine starter Pokémon as &quot;the first Pokémon a Trainer owns&quot; rather than the traditional &quot;the three Pokémon that Trainers can choose from to start their journey&quot; and give the traditional grouping their own name, then while I wouldn't prefer it, it would be better than what we have now. What I'm saying is that we have a distinct group of Pokémon that the fandom have always called &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, and this page seems to have merged that group with everyone's first Pokémon. So regardless of what you want to call &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, the traditional starter Pokémon need a separate page from people's first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, I would define the starter pokemon as the sets of three plus Pikachu and Eevee. We categorize pokemon beyond their obvious classification by their secondary characteristics. Legendary Pokemon, other than those explicitly called out as such, are typically unique pokemon within the games that may or may not have a defining role in the story- even beginning trainers have a pretty good idea what you're talking about when you say &quot;legendary&quot;. Pseudo-Legendaries bear some explanation, but fall within obviously recognizable parameters- 600 base stats, typically a double weakness to something, general badassedness, etc. The &quot;starters&quot; of the main series of games are typically in line in terms of stats and evolutions without significant variation- It would not surprise me if next generation we had to call out Charizard and Typhlosion as the exceptions to the &quot;Fire/Fighting Rule&quot;. Spinoff series games should at best get their own page and at worst be merely mentioned on their own page. &quot;Games&quot; that are effectively pokedexes shouldn't be listed at all outside the article affirming their existence, as there is no meaningful way to interact with them. Eevee and Pikachu get to be the exceptions because they ''are'' the exceptions- the only main series game not to play by their own rules. You might not even list Eevee, as it's not technically an option for the trainer- It's not a &quot;starter&quot; pokemon, it's a &quot;rival&quot; pokemon.[[User:TheHateHat|TheHateHat]] ([[User talk:TheHateHat|talk]]) 04:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::I going to say that there needs to be a distinction between &quot;starter&quot; and &quot;first&quot;. For example, in the TCG a &quot;starter set&quot; is a set intended for people just starting to learn the TCG. However, it does not have to be their first TCG set, and their first TCG set is not necessarily a &quot;starter set&quot;. A &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; is a Pokémon given to Trainers when they begin their journey to get them started. Therefore, instances like Wally's Ralts are not starter Pokémon; it is his first Pokémon, and if people want that to have a page that's fine, but they shouldn't be here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I second that. The eighteen starter Pokémon from main series games must have an article of their own, they are a group of distinct Pokémon, always treated specially in every medium of the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Eevee in Yellow ==<br /> <br /> It seems strange to me that Eevee should be included as a starter Pokemon in Yellow on the bit at the bottom of pages about specific starter Pokemon. (Sorry don't know the correct technical term.) The player cannot start with Eevee. If the starter Pokemon of NPCs qualify for this definition of starter Pokemon then surely every known starter Pokemon for NPCs should be added to both of these sections in order to be logically consistent? If it is just because Blue is the rival of this game that his starter is notable why aren't the starters of Wally and Ethan/Lyra as NPCs? I understand their inclusion in the article but I don't understand how Blue's Eevee is any more notable than the starters of those two trainers, particularly not to the degree that it gets a mention at the bottom of the page when the others don't. [[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 17:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eevee was supposed to be player's starter, but Blue snatched it. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::But it is still not an option for the player to get it, which is more the point I feel. It is still not an option to start with. No matter what the storyline claims, the player was never &quot;supposed&quot; to get Eevee. Also, I'm not even sure the storyline DOES claim that.[[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Any Pokémon given by the Professor is a starter Pokémon, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fire Starter Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that there's a trend that all of the fire starters are all members of the Chinese Zodiac? There's been dragon (the Charmander line), rat (Cyndaquil being the fire '''mouse''' pokemon), rooster (the Torchic line), monkey (the Chimchar line), pig (the Tepig line), and just recently, dog (Fennekin being a fox). --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I say this is more opinion than fact. Yes, Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokémon but it isn't based on a mouse (or a rat). Fennekin, while based of a species of canines, isn't a dog. Though I agree with the others. So you could say I'm neutral/indifferent on this trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Yes, I know that Cyndaquil isn't based on an actual mouse, but the species name still counts and fox should be close enough to dog to count. --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shininess ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible that received starter in main series will be shiny?<br /> [[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 19:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> : Yes, it's the same probability as if you were to catch them in the wild (approximately 1/8192). [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto Starters for X and Y ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Soon afterwards, Professor Sycamore will give the player a choice between one of the classic Kanto starter Pokémon, whom, upon reaching their final stages, will have access to Mega Evolved forms, given the prequisite Mega Stone.&quot;<br /> <br /> This is more speculation than factual. We do not meet Professor Sycamore until Lumoise City. This was stated in the preview clips when he was released as well as stated on the main web site. Lumoise City is after the first Gym so the player has a good bit of play time before they ever meet Professor Sycamore in Lumoise. We also have not been given any information as to whether or not the Kanto Starters are Post Game hand outs like all other Non-Regional Starters are like in Pokemon Emerald and forward. Should probably wait for more information before saying we get two starters in the game since this has the makings of being post-game hand outs like they always end up. [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :While I do believe we should wait till we have more information on this, I thought we had more reason to believe that the Kanto starters weren't post-game hand outs. First of all, I don't believe they revealed post-game starters before during pre-release. And second, I believe in the Pokémon Direct, the man asked Masuda if there was going to be anything different about this game. Masuda then answered by talking about Sycamore giving out one of the Kanto starters. If it was post-game, that wouldn't be different from previous games at all. They even showed that picture with the three Kalos starters and the three Kanto starters. I think that the implication is that we're supposed to have 2 starters early on this time around. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you actually watched the Pokémon Direct, you would have heard that you get both starters near the beginning of the game. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::''&quot;In the past Pokémon games, the story began when the Pokémon Professor let you choose one of three Pokémon. However, in Pokémon X and Y your first partner Pokémon; Chespin, Fennekin, or Froakie; won't be given to you from the Professor but by your friend instead. Then you'll receive a different Pokémon from the Professor later on. What you get from the Professor is one of the partner Pokémon from the original Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue.&quot;'' 11:45 - 12:30<br /> :::No where does it say you get both at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the Professor isn't even in the starting town. We can't say for sure when you'll officially meet the Professor in-game. Even if the city itself is post-first gym, he might not be there. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == XY? ==<br /> <br /> Would you say the xy starters are not official starters because a professor doesn't give them to you? So they may not be deemed good enough for starter trainers? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :A starter Pokemon is a Pokemon a beginning Trainer starts their journey with. XY is clearly indicating that it doesn't matter where you get them from, as long as you start with it, it's a starter. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Friend Safari==<br /> <br /> Do the kanto starter first stage evos in the Friend Safari count as legitimately obtaining all three starter pokemon from a previous game? [[User:Yveltal0003|Yveltal0003]] ([[User talk:Yveltal0003|talk]]) 19:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tierno and Trevor ==<br /> <br /> Should their starters in XY be included? They don't pick from the three but they both only have two Pokemon when you first have a double battle with them and Serena. I think one of them's starter was Pikachu but I can't remember who. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think we can confirm what their actual Starter Pokémon are or when they got them, seeming they could of switched them before you battle them. Unless its explicitly stated, I think we should just say that there could be other options for Starter Pokémon than those given, although that's just my opinion on the matter. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Turn sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can anyone turn sprites into artwork because we're at Generation VI? Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Split ==<br /> <br /> SnorlaxMonster suggested this {{DL|Talk:Starter Pokémon|Definition of starter Pokémon|in an above section}}, but nothing came of it, so I'm slapping on the split template so that hopefully, even if no consensus comes of discussion, it'll go to the staff on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ the forum thread]. I propose that the traditional Grass/Fire/Water trios comprise an article, and all other Pokémon that Trainers in various media start with comprise another. I suggest ''Starter Pokémon'' and ''First Pokémon'', respectively, but any number of other names are also possible. The main thing is that the Grass/Fire/Water trios differ significantly from starting Pokémon in side games, the anime, the manga, etc. The two sets need to be treated separately.<br /> <br /> Whether to include the Pikachu and Eevee from Yellow is a bone of contention that I'd prefer not to overshadow this, but since it's relevant, I will give my opinion on it. Under no circumstances should Eevee be included, because it's the rival's, not the players. (Same conditions as Marill and Ralts.) Pikachu's more of a gray area, but it doesn't fill the same role statistically or in availability in any other game, so I feel it also doesn't belong with the Grass/Fire/Water trios despite being a starting Pokémon for the player in the main series.[[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The only issue I have with this is that there is still the issue of Orre and Pokétopia, though it sounds like under the proposal it would be a First Pokémon over a Starter Pokémon. My two cents is that there is a bit of gray area currently, though they are called &quot;the big three&quot; for Japanese players. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::If a &quot;starter Pokemon&quot; is something you get to choose, then none of Orre, Poketopia, or Yellow will count. Your &quot;first Pokemon&quot; is just something you're saddled with, then. I don't have a big problem with that sort of definition. As things stand, though, Poketopia's inclusion seems pretty dumb, to me. I like Colo and XD counting, because those actually have stories (like the main games) besides connecting with main games; but it doesn't seem that PBR has a story. It just seems like a glorified Pokemon Stadium. I'm not a fan of it &quot;counting&quot;, period, whether for &quot;starters&quot; (of whatever definition) or &quot;firsts&quot; (I think). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::P.S.: Oh, one can argue, though, that with XD's Eevee, you get your &quot;choice&quot; when you choose who to evolve Eevee into. And that at least includes Water and Fire (and then some), if not Grass. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::I feel as though &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; should refer only to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios. I can accept Pikachu and Eevee under some interpretations, but I really don't think they count. &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; is an official term, the problem is that it's difficult to find it actually defined (but I don't believe I've ever seen it used to describe Pikachu or Eevee); perhaps if somewhere the &quot;Kanto starter Pokémon&quot; is used to refer to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, that could count as excluding Pikachu and Eevee from being starters. Regardless, I think the generational elemental trios clearly share commonalities that Eevee and Pikachu do not. I don't even know if &quot;first Pokémon&quot; deserves a page, but I certainly think that info does not belong here. (Also, thanks for reviving my suggestion. I have a bunch that I've put forward in many places that even I've forgotten about, so it's always nice to see someone else take interest.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::While I feel like &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; usually refers to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios, I don't feel like special cases like Pikachu should be excluded/ignored (especially since Pokémon Yellow was a main series game). I don't agree with the rival's Pokémon being listed though, because they're never given to the player and thus technically not Starter Pokémon for us. It really depends how we're defining starter Pokémon, because if we're describing them as &quot;First Pokémon, distributed or given without having to catch them, usually by a Professor&quot; then Pikachu fits in that definition. Even if we decide to remove Pikachu and co. from the page, I'd at least like to see Pikachu listed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 20:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I find splitting Starter Pokémon from First Pokémon redundant. Not only do they have similar meanings, your starters are your first Pokémon, which is why they are called starters in the first place. Pikachu was your starter in Yellow despite not being a Fire, Water, or Grass type Pokémon. I don't get why we'd need to split the official and unofficial starters. If this proposal succeeds, I would start a new proposal to merge them. I strongly oppose the split. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::I agree. A starter Pokémon is not defined by type. That's just stupid. A starter Pokémon is a Pokémon that you START with. That doesn't mean it has to be a grass/fire/water at all! And, that also means that the rival's Eevee, Marill, or Ralts all count as well. It is the Pokémon that they START with. It's a fact. Deal with it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Starter Pokémon are called such because they are are started with. It is never stated that other Pokémon aren't starters, because they technically are. ''Start''er Pokémon. EDIT: If they are split, I think that everything but what the player starts with in the main series should be on starter, everything else on first. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 18:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC), edit time 18:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::In official materials, &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; always seems to be used to refer to the Grass-Fire-Water trios. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/chronicles-14-journey-to-the-starting-line/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/07_31-six-pack-attack/] [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-gb/pokemon/starters/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/10_01-following-a-maidens-voyage/] [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/16_12-new-placesfamiliar-faces/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/08_40-the-right-place-and-the-right-mime/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/super-smash-bros-brawl/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-emerald-version/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/explore-and-watch/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/black-white-cards]. I get that people would like the term to also refer to any Pokémon that any character has as their first Pokémon, but that is simply unsupported. The Grass-Fire-Water trios are clearly a distinct group, and they need a specific name to refer to them; officially, this has always been &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, which has also excluded any other Pokémon a character may have as their first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why is Marill on this page? ==<br /> <br /> Why is Marill on the page? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Because {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} has it. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 00:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh I see now, I miss read the entry.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::Just because Ethan/Lyra has it does not make it a starter IMO. same with Wally's Ralts. we might need to re-discuss this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia (Could be added to a trivia point speaking of egg group) ==<br /> <br /> ................. and Treecko and Charmander are the only starter pokemon to belonging to part dragon egg group. {{unsigned|Tgage}}<br /> :If two are in it, it's not unique and therefore not notable, even with the cool factors of dragons added to the equation. You could make a case for noting how Chimchar's the only one in Human-Like, but I think that may be the only one in a unique group. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] &lt;sup&gt;~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Mega Evolution Table==<br /> Could someone fix the table that shows the mega evolutions of all the starters? Currently they're all redlinks, but when I tried to fix it myself it messed up the images. [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos starters gender ratio ==<br /> <br /> Okay so I have played through both x and y a few diferent times here and only ONCE has there been a male fennekin. My fist play through of Y I choose fennekin and she was female. Shaunas Chespin was also female. Further more I have started quite a few different play through in X due to always losing my nuzlocks and first go my forkie was female and shaunas fennekin was also female. second time through my froakie was male but still shauna fennekin was female. Ive also gotten 3 resets in a row female chespin. <br /> I dont know about froakie and chespin but Im PRETTY POSITIVE fennekins line is 75% female. Ive only seen 1 male fennekin in a lets play on youtube as well out of about 5 lets plays Ive watched. <br /> Im also fairly certain that frokie's line is 50/50 on gender and maybe chespins. <br /> I dont belive anyone can go through the code as of yet but Id like some proof at its still 75% the starter is male. I believe the reason they did that in gen 2 was so starters were more rare if you didnt know about ditto but that trend has kinda gotten out dated with everyone knowing of ditto and such. <br /> So yeah I believe the gender ratio should be unknown of the kalos starters until we can get official proof of it. <br /> I will say I have not done any breeding of the starters yet but think Ill start filling up a box for each one and post my results.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Furry|Furry]] ([[User talk:Furry|talk]]) 02:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : All of the starters have always had the same gender ratio, so not only is it probably safe to assume that the Kalos starters are the same but also people have the ability to see the coding of the games and as such we come up with the gender ratios for the Pokemon.<br /> <br /> Also, almost all of the starters I have are male.--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 17:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos secondary triangle ==<br /> <br /> The Kalos starters have, in their final forms, two type triangles: Grass/Fire/Water and Fighting/Psychic/Dark. This is notable. Yet it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Starter_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;curid=1162&amp;diff=2134311&amp;oldid=2134310 was removed].<br /> <br /> But, you say: Dark is ''immune'' to Psychic rather than just being resistant. Well...so? Practically speaking, that is a trivial difference. If I put {{p|Braixen}} in against {{p|Chesnaught}}, Braixen has little to fear from Chesnaught's STAB moves whereas Chesnaught must fear any of Braixen's STAB moves. By the same token, if I put {{p|Greninja}} in against Braixen, Greninja has little to fear from Braixen's STAB moves whereas Braixen must fear any of Greninja's STAB moves. It's basically irrelevant that Greninja has ''even less'' to fear from Braixen than Braixen/Chesnaught do from Chesnaught/Greninja. The essential fact remains: by their typings (in their final forms), each of the starters has the advantage, ''both offensivley and defensively'', against another one of the starters in a triangular fashion.<br /> <br /> It is irrelevant that Dark is immune to Psychic. The essential fact of &quot;This Pokemon can do well against that one but not against the other one&quot; is exactly the same. Both triangles are valid and this second one deserves noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I think the inital trivia note on it before it was changed is valid<br /> ::* The Kalos starter Pokémon's secondary types ({{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}, and {{t|Dark}}) almost form another type-advantage triangle, being broken by the fact that the Dark type is immune to the Psychic type.<br /> : Someone changed it which ultimately caused it to become confusing and end up being removed as it was fine for however long it was on there until it was removed (after rewording).--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That I wouldn't mind since it's not stating that the Dark/Psychic/Fighting creates a triangle that is exactly like the Grass/Fire/Water cycle. In fact, it's why I decided to leave it there when it was added the first time before it was reworded.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't see how the immunity breaks this though. It still forms a type triangle. Am I missing something? --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 08:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::The triangle is where the types are super effective to one type and resists the other. I feel that this is evident by Game Freak's continual usage of Grass/Fire/Water for the past six generations. Dark does not resist Psychic, thus breaking the triangle.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Gender ==<br /> Isn't the starter Pokémon always the same gender as the player? If it is, should'nt it be added? <br /> [[User:Lokki]] [[User talk:Lokki|Talk]] 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :No, it isn't always the same. [[User:RandomDSplayer|RandomDSplayer]] ([[User talk:RandomDSplayer|talk]]) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting trivia fact about the Fire-type starters.<br /> <br /> '''There has been a superstition that the Fire-type starters are based on the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. Some of the information is false, like Cyndaquil and Fennekin based on the rat and dog.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact: May (Anime) ==<br /> <br /> Trivia Fact: May (Anime)<br /> <br /> '''The only Kanto starter that May did not catch or obtain is Charmander''' This is true because she already has Blaziken, a Fire starter native to Hoenn.<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

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<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>==Normal Starters==<br /> Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the &quot;main&quot; games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.<br /> ::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::Exactly. And that's why we have the &quot;special starters&quot; section. They are starters, but not as much so as the &quot;main game&quot; ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<br /> :::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == To add to Trivia ==<br /> <br /> I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.<br /> :Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == To Remove from Trivia ==<br /> &quot;Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type.&quot; This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that &quot;usually&quot; is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are &quot;usually&quot; one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pikachu==<br /> <br /> Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?<br /> :Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Colosseum elemental starters ==<br /> <br /> Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat &quot;starter&quot; Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you &quot;you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?&quot;. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obediance ==<br /> <br /> I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow &quot;catch&quot; a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;midnightblue&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;maroon&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]<br /> :::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia overload? ==<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BB0000&quot;&gt;'''''~Toastypk'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#770077&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sup&gt;Loom.&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#4B5320;&quot;&gt;'''Moldy'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:Moldy orange|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#ED9121;&quot;&gt;'''Orange'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==No editing?==<br /> Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gen IV type-trumping==<br /> I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:<br /> *Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape. <br /> *Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type. <br /> *Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types). <br /> [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]<br /> <br /> ==Gary's Starter==<br /> Is the statement &quot;it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee&quot; the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? &lt;small&gt;- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> == Platinum ==<br /> <br /> It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. &lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Viner Hand ITC&quot;&gt;[[User:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;Tc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tc26|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520;&quot;&gt;26&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAFF;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;*&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;X, PEACE TO&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;THE DRAGONS AND&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;THE BEASTS&lt;/font&gt;]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> I felt it would be interesting to note that all of the starter's first evolutions have the same base stat total of 405, whereas the base and final forms vary greatly.<br /> :Every middle evolution, you mean? Definitely something to say. But the final forms' variance needn't be mentioned; it's not like they're Butterfree vs Arceus in terms of BST difference. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Second Trivia Addition ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it be a good idea to post the fact that in the anime, the protagonist's starter Pokémon actually has a type advantage over the rival's starter Pokémon other than the other way around? (Ash obviously had Pikachu whereas Gary had Squirtle) Seems relevant --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] 03:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :No. Basically what they did was say Gary had a MYSTERY OMGEEZ and then an EEVEE OMGEEZ YELOW and then BLASTOISE HAHA. And by that third point, in Johto, Ash's Charizard counted almost as much as Pikachu anyway, especially considering the battle the two had using those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DAA520&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto starters in HGSS? ==<br /> <br /> I just got all 16 badges, Oak gives me a HM08, but no starter. Do i have to do something beforehand? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :This sounds kind of forum-y to me, but you might have to do the Copycat event first - I read somewhere that you have to do that in order to get a Hoenn starter from Steven, at least. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::All events done ''except for red''. do i have to beat him firsT? --&gt;'''[[User:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#B69E00&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;2&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FFCB49&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;]][[User_talk:223david|&lt;font color=&quot;#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;da&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#93abc3&quot;&gt;d&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 01:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> :::Yes. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The mystical, amazing disappearing starter Pokemon! ==<br /> <br /> I could have sworn I saw this discussed somewhere before, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Oh well.<br /> <br /> Anyway, at some point in HGSS (not sure exactly when) the third starter Pokemon which wasn't chosen by the PC or the rival mysteriously vanishes from its place in Elm's lab. (The game text when the... whatever that machine is... is examined is something along the lines of, &quot;Hey! The third Pokeball is gone! Was it given to someone?&quot; though I can't be bothered to switch games in my DS to check for sure.) I figure that this is notable enough to go into the article, and I'd put it in there myself, but I quite honestly don't know if its disappearance is ever explained, and I figure that if it ''were'' explained that should go in the article too.<br /> <br /> Thoughts?/Anyone know what in the world happened to it? &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> :If you're looking for a general discussion on this, head to the forums. Pedia-wise, the only thing we can really do is say that it vanishes and we don't know where to. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Nah, wasn't looking for a general discussion. I brought it up for the purpose of adding it into the article... And I haven't beaten the game yet, so I don't know if its disappearance is left unexplained, and that's why I didn't want to say that in the article (maybe it is explained, and I just haven't gotten that far yet!). I thought maybe someone else would have the answer so that it could be added to the article, definitively stating whether its disappearance was explained or not. &lt;span style=&quot;border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;&quot;&gt;[[User:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;梅子&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;❀&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF99CC;&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;✿&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can someone please put these up? ==<br /> <br /> They're missing from the page. Pokabu's picture is the only one on there. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Was this ever confirmed? ==<br /> <br /> On the article it said &quot;In Pokémon Black and White, the regional professor, yet unnamed, will offer the player a choice of the Grass-type Tsutarja, the Fire-type Pokabu, or the Water-type Mijumaru. &quot; It's very likely this is true, but this was never confirmed so should we edit it?--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 18:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :It's been proven. There's even an official site of the game that confirms this. - [[User:050294|050294]] 23:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::I think what he means is, does the professor actually give it to the player, or is there a situation similar to DPPt, where they decide to take them and are allowed to keep them later, et cetera.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::Yeah, that's what I mean.--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ranger &quot;starters&quot;? ==<br /> <br /> I just now noticed that the Ranger partner Pokemon weren't included in the page (but I remember them being on there before). But can they be considered starter Pokemon? They probably weren't the first Pokemon the player captured (except in the first ranger game), but they are the first Pokemon they get to keep for themselves. So can they still be considered starters?<br /> <br /> <br /> == Cheren &amp; Bel Starters ==<br /> <br /> <br /> Example: I choose Pokabu, Cheren will Choose Mijumaru and Belle will chose Tsutarja. But this is <br /> <br /> not confirmmed---[[User:Franztrovao]] July 24, 2010 - 18:10 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It '''''IS''''' confirmed ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Since I want no part in the edit war, I'm going to explain the trivia piece here:<br /> <br /> &lt;code&gt;<br /> As of [[Generation IV]], every '''starter-type''' in the main series (with the exception of {{p|Pikachu}}) has have one Pokémon in its final-stage of evolution to have a double weakness; {{p|Charizard}} is doubly weak to {{type|Rock}}, {{p|Swampert}} is doubly weak to {{type|Grass}} and {{p|Torterra}} is doubly weak to {{type|Ice}}.&lt;/code&gt;<br /> <br /> It doesn't say by generation. It says by starter ''type''. That means Fire, Water, and Grass.<br /> Charizard, Torterra, and Swampert are members of these respective types and have double weaknesses. The trivia, meaning-wise, is fine. (Unless one were to count Bulbasaur's Poison typing...)<br /> <br /> So yeah, if you're going to remove it, remove it for a different reason plz and thanks.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Cold|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Mystery Dungeon initial Pokémon be considered starters? ==<br /> <br /> I've looked through Mystery Dungeon: Blue's manual, Bulbapedia's pages on all three sets of games, and the official Explorers of Sky webpage and have seen no mention of the initial Pokémon from MD as &quot;starters&quot;, just &quot;Hero Pokémon&quot; (for the player) and &quot;Partner Pokémon&quot; (for the partner). They seem to lack the basic criteria for being starters (the initial Pokémon owned by a ''trainer''), even more so than the Ranger's [[Partner Pokémon]] which were already deemed not to be starters. Now I'll admit I never even played through Blue fully (and never played the others), so there may be something in-game, but I think we should separate them into their own ''Hero and Partner Pokémon'' page or something, as they don't seem to belong here. '''[[User:Memo326|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#151B8D;&quot;&gt;Memo&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;i&gt;[[User talk:Memo326|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8D38C9;&quot;&gt;326&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt; 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Completely agree. I've fixed this page, but the navigation template needs to be modified still. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pokémon Yellow Evolution ==<br /> <br /> The article says that the rival's {{p|Eevee}} evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Flareon}} or {{p|Vaporeon}} depending on the outcomes of battles between the player and the rival. Specifically, which battles are important, and how do the results affect the evolution? It seems like this would be a useful thing to add to the article. I believe that if the player loses the first battle in Pallet Town, the {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into a {{p|Vaporeon}}, but this should probably be double-checked. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 20:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ive heard that if you win both battles, lose both battles, or lose one and win one, the outcome will be different. But im not that far in the game so I don't know the specific outcomes. --[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 21:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :It's explained in more detail [[Blue (game)/Yellow|here]]. Basically the results of the first two possible battles are summed. Two wins = Jolteon. One win and one loss/skip = Flareon. Two losses/One loss one skip = Vaporeon. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Lyra/Khoury ==<br /> <br /> Is it confirmed that Lyra and Khoury received their starters from Professor Elm or is it speculation? [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mystery Dungeon and Ranger starters ==<br /> <br /> I think we need to move the starters of Mystery Dungeon to Player character, because thats basically what they are, people you can play as. Also, the Ranger Pokemon should be removed because we already have the Partner Pokemon page, which contains the same information. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> :I agree with both. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that they should still be linked with {{template|main}}. Also, Rumble is in the same situation as PMD. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == New Trivia (yeah, I know it's a little big already) ==<br /> <br /> (First time, forgive me if I screw this up horribly)<br /> <br /> Since Pikachu knows Thundershock, Yellow is the only main series game in which the player's starter pokemon begins play with a STAB move. Incidentally, the Rival's starter also has a STAB move, as Eevee knows tackle and is of the normal-type. <br /> <br /> There's probably a better way of wording this. but I thought it was neat.<br /> 22:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)HH<br /> <br /> == Definition of starter Pokémon ==<br /> <br /> I've always thought of starter Pokémon as meaning the sets of three Pokémon that are given by the professor, not merely a Trainer's first Pokémon. I don't mind including Pikachu and Eevee, ''that'' much (although I'm still uncertain about them), adding Marill and Ralts, and calling things like [[Growlie]] &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; just seems wrong to me. If people really want to list Trainer's first Pokémon, then I think that page should be at {{redlink|first Pokémon}}; however, IMO starter Pokémon should refer only to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and maybe Pikachu and Eevee if you really want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Personally, I feel it's the Pokémon someone ''starts'' with. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree with Jo, even though the ones listed by SnorlaxMonster are treated completely different from the other &quot;first Pokémon&quot; from other media. Since this page is huge, maybe splitting into &quot;Starter Pokémon (main series)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (spin-off)&quot;, &quot;Starter Pokémon (anime)&quot; and &quot;Starter Pokémon (Adventures)&quot; could be taken into account but is not the best option. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 10:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::Splitting like that completely ignores the point. The idea is that the Pokémon I listed are a group of Pokémon, while this page just lists the first Pokémon of a bunch of Trainers. If we want to redefine starter Pokémon as &quot;the first Pokémon a Trainer owns&quot; rather than the traditional &quot;the three Pokémon that Trainers can choose from to start their journey&quot; and give the traditional grouping their own name, then while I wouldn't prefer it, it would be better than what we have now. What I'm saying is that we have a distinct group of Pokémon that the fandom have always called &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, and this page seems to have merged that group with everyone's first Pokémon. So regardless of what you want to call &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, the traditional starter Pokémon need a separate page from people's first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 06:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::::For what it's worth, I would define the starter pokemon as the sets of three plus Pikachu and Eevee. We categorize pokemon beyond their obvious classification by their secondary characteristics. Legendary Pokemon, other than those explicitly called out as such, are typically unique pokemon within the games that may or may not have a defining role in the story- even beginning trainers have a pretty good idea what you're talking about when you say &quot;legendary&quot;. Pseudo-Legendaries bear some explanation, but fall within obviously recognizable parameters- 600 base stats, typically a double weakness to something, general badassedness, etc. The &quot;starters&quot; of the main series of games are typically in line in terms of stats and evolutions without significant variation- It would not surprise me if next generation we had to call out Charizard and Typhlosion as the exceptions to the &quot;Fire/Fighting Rule&quot;. Spinoff series games should at best get their own page and at worst be merely mentioned on their own page. &quot;Games&quot; that are effectively pokedexes shouldn't be listed at all outside the article affirming their existence, as there is no meaningful way to interact with them. Eevee and Pikachu get to be the exceptions because they ''are'' the exceptions- the only main series game not to play by their own rules. You might not even list Eevee, as it's not technically an option for the trainer- It's not a &quot;starter&quot; pokemon, it's a &quot;rival&quot; pokemon.[[User:TheHateHat|TheHateHat]] ([[User talk:TheHateHat|talk]]) 04:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)<br /> :::::I going to say that there needs to be a distinction between &quot;starter&quot; and &quot;first&quot;. For example, in the TCG a &quot;starter set&quot; is a set intended for people just starting to learn the TCG. However, it does not have to be their first TCG set, and their first TCG set is not necessarily a &quot;starter set&quot;. A &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; is a Pokémon given to Trainers when they begin their journey to get them started. Therefore, instances like Wally's Ralts are not starter Pokémon; it is his first Pokémon, and if people want that to have a page that's fine, but they shouldn't be here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 15:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I second that. The eighteen starter Pokémon from main series games must have an article of their own, they are a group of distinct Pokémon, always treated specially in every medium of the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#444&quot; face=&quot;Lucida Sans Unicode&quot;&gt;|) u |( e&lt;/font&gt;''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#b00&quot; face=&quot;Verdana&quot;&gt;®&lt;/font&gt;''']] 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Eevee in Yellow ==<br /> <br /> It seems strange to me that Eevee should be included as a starter Pokemon in Yellow on the bit at the bottom of pages about specific starter Pokemon. (Sorry don't know the correct technical term.) The player cannot start with Eevee. If the starter Pokemon of NPCs qualify for this definition of starter Pokemon then surely every known starter Pokemon for NPCs should be added to both of these sections in order to be logically consistent? If it is just because Blue is the rival of this game that his starter is notable why aren't the starters of Wally and Ethan/Lyra as NPCs? I understand their inclusion in the article but I don't understand how Blue's Eevee is any more notable than the starters of those two trainers, particularly not to the degree that it gets a mention at the bottom of the page when the others don't. [[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 17:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Eevee was supposed to be player's starter, but Blue snatched it. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::But it is still not an option for the player to get it, which is more the point I feel. It is still not an option to start with. No matter what the storyline claims, the player was never &quot;supposed&quot; to get Eevee. Also, I'm not even sure the storyline DOES claim that.[[User:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly&amp;#39;s Mama|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::Any Pokémon given by the Professor is a starter Pokémon, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 14:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Fire Starter Trivia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be added that there's a trend that all of the fire starters are all members of the Chinese Zodiac? There's been dragon (the Charmander line), rat (Cyndaquil being the fire '''mouse''' pokemon), rooster (the Torchic line), monkey (the Chimchar line), pig (the Tepig line), and just recently, dog (Fennekin being a fox). --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I say this is more opinion than fact. Yes, Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokémon but it isn't based on a mouse (or a rat). Fennekin, while based of a species of canines, isn't a dog. Though I agree with the others. So you could say I'm neutral/indifferent on this trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> :Yes, I know that Cyndaquil isn't based on an actual mouse, but the species name still counts and fox should be close enough to dog to count. --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shininess ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible that received starter in main series will be shiny?<br /> [[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 19:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> : Yes, it's the same probability as if you were to catch them in the wild (approximately 1/8192). [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kanto Starters for X and Y ==<br /> <br /> &quot;Soon afterwards, Professor Sycamore will give the player a choice between one of the classic Kanto starter Pokémon, whom, upon reaching their final stages, will have access to Mega Evolved forms, given the prequisite Mega Stone.&quot;<br /> <br /> This is more speculation than factual. We do not meet Professor Sycamore until Lumoise City. This was stated in the preview clips when he was released as well as stated on the main web site. Lumoise City is after the first Gym so the player has a good bit of play time before they ever meet Professor Sycamore in Lumoise. We also have not been given any information as to whether or not the Kanto Starters are Post Game hand outs like all other Non-Regional Starters are like in Pokemon Emerald and forward. Should probably wait for more information before saying we get two starters in the game since this has the makings of being post-game hand outs like they always end up. [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :While I do believe we should wait till we have more information on this, I thought we had more reason to believe that the Kanto starters weren't post-game hand outs. First of all, I don't believe they revealed post-game starters before during pre-release. And second, I believe in the Pokémon Direct, the man asked Masuda if there was going to be anything different about this game. Masuda then answered by talking about Sycamore giving out one of the Kanto starters. If it was post-game, that wouldn't be different from previous games at all. They even showed that picture with the three Kalos starters and the three Kanto starters. I think that the implication is that we're supposed to have 2 starters early on this time around. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::If you actually watched the Pokémon Direct, you would have heard that you get both starters near the beginning of the game. ☆&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Algerian&quot;&gt;[[User:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;The&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Solar&lt;/span&gt;]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;Dragon&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;☆ 17:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::''&quot;In the past Pokémon games, the story began when the Pokémon Professor let you choose one of three Pokémon. However, in Pokémon X and Y your first partner Pokémon; Chespin, Fennekin, or Froakie; won't be given to you from the Professor but by your friend instead. Then you'll receive a different Pokémon from the Professor later on. What you get from the Professor is one of the partner Pokémon from the original Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue.&quot;'' 11:45 - 12:30<br /> :::No where does it say you get both at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the Professor isn't even in the starting town. We can't say for sure when you'll officially meet the Professor in-game. Even if the city itself is post-first gym, he might not be there. &lt;sup&gt;[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;[[User:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;Jo the Marten&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Flygon (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;★&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C00;&quot;&gt;ಠ_ಠ&lt;/span&gt;]][[Cilan (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#90C870;&quot;&gt;♥&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == XY? ==<br /> <br /> Would you say the xy starters are not official starters because a professor doesn't give them to you? So they may not be deemed good enough for starter trainers? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :A starter Pokemon is a Pokemon a beginning Trainer starts their journey with. XY is clearly indicating that it doesn't matter where you get them from, as long as you start with it, it's a starter. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Friend Safari==<br /> <br /> Do the kanto starter first stage evos in the Friend Safari count as legitimately obtaining all three starter pokemon from a previous game? [[User:Yveltal0003|Yveltal0003]] ([[User talk:Yveltal0003|talk]]) 19:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Tierno and Trevor ==<br /> <br /> Should their starters in XY be included? They don't pick from the three but they both only have two Pokemon when you first have a double battle with them and Serena. I think one of them's starter was Pikachu but I can't remember who. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think we can confirm what their actual Starter Pokémon are or when they got them, seeming they could of switched them before you battle them. Unless its explicitly stated, I think we should just say that there could be other options for Starter Pokémon than those given, although that's just my opinion on the matter. --&lt;b&gt;[[User:S2daam|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F85888&quot;&gt;--s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030&quot;&gt;a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0&quot;&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#98D8D8&quot;&gt;m :D&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt; 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Turn sprites into artwork ==<br /> <br /> Can anyone turn sprites into artwork because we're at Generation VI? Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Split ==<br /> <br /> SnorlaxMonster suggested this {{DL|Talk:Starter Pokémon|Definition of starter Pokémon|in an above section}}, but nothing came of it, so I'm slapping on the split template so that hopefully, even if no consensus comes of discussion, it'll go to the staff on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ the forum thread]. I propose that the traditional Grass/Fire/Water trios comprise an article, and all other Pokémon that Trainers in various media start with comprise another. I suggest ''Starter Pokémon'' and ''First Pokémon'', respectively, but any number of other names are also possible. The main thing is that the Grass/Fire/Water trios differ significantly from starting Pokémon in side games, the anime, the manga, etc. The two sets need to be treated separately.<br /> <br /> Whether to include the Pikachu and Eevee from Yellow is a bone of contention that I'd prefer not to overshadow this, but since it's relevant, I will give my opinion on it. Under no circumstances should Eevee be included, because it's the rival's, not the players. (Same conditions as Marill and Ralts.) Pikachu's more of a gray area, but it doesn't fill the same role statistically or in availability in any other game, so I feel it also doesn't belong with the Grass/Fire/Water trios despite being a starting Pokémon for the player in the main series.[[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :The only issue I have with this is that there is still the issue of Orre and Pokétopia, though it sounds like under the proposal it would be a First Pokémon over a Starter Pokémon. My two cents is that there is a bit of gray area currently, though they are called &quot;the big three&quot; for Japanese players. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::If a &quot;starter Pokemon&quot; is something you get to choose, then none of Orre, Poketopia, or Yellow will count. Your &quot;first Pokemon&quot; is just something you're saddled with, then. I don't have a big problem with that sort of definition. As things stand, though, Poketopia's inclusion seems pretty dumb, to me. I like Colo and XD counting, because those actually have stories (like the main games) besides connecting with main games; but it doesn't seem that PBR has a story. It just seems like a glorified Pokemon Stadium. I'm not a fan of it &quot;counting&quot;, period, whether for &quot;starters&quot; (of whatever definition) or &quot;firsts&quot; (I think). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::P.S.: Oh, one can argue, though, that with XD's Eevee, you get your &quot;choice&quot; when you choose who to evolve Eevee into. And that at least includes Water and Fire (and then some), if not Grass. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> :::I feel as though &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; should refer only to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios. I can accept Pikachu and Eevee under some interpretations, but I really don't think they count. &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; is an official term, the problem is that it's difficult to find it actually defined (but I don't believe I've ever seen it used to describe Pikachu or Eevee); perhaps if somewhere the &quot;Kanto starter Pokémon&quot; is used to refer to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, that could count as excluding Pikachu and Eevee from being starters. Regardless, I think the generational elemental trios clearly share commonalities that Eevee and Pikachu do not. I don't even know if &quot;first Pokémon&quot; deserves a page, but I certainly think that info does not belong here. (Also, thanks for reviving my suggestion. I have a bunch that I've put forward in many places that even I've forgotten about, so it's always nice to see someone else take interest.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::::While I feel like &quot;Starter Pokémon&quot; usually refers to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios, I don't feel like special cases like Pikachu should be excluded/ignored (especially since Pokémon Yellow was a main series game). I don't agree with the rival's Pokémon being listed though, because they're never given to the player and thus technically not Starter Pokémon for us. It really depends how we're defining starter Pokémon, because if we're describing them as &quot;First Pokémon, distributed or given without having to catch them, usually by a Professor&quot; then Pikachu fits in that definition. Even if we decide to remove Pikachu and co. from the page, I'd at least like to see Pikachu listed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]]''''' 20:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I find splitting Starter Pokémon from First Pokémon redundant. Not only do they have similar meanings, your starters are your first Pokémon, which is why they are called starters in the first place. Pikachu was your starter in Yellow despite not being a Fire, Water, or Grass type Pokémon. I don't get why we'd need to split the official and unofficial starters. If this proposal succeeds, I would start a new proposal to merge them. I strongly oppose the split. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::I agree. A starter Pokémon is not defined by type. That's just stupid. A starter Pokémon is a Pokémon that you START with. That doesn't mean it has to be a grass/fire/water at all! And, that also means that the rival's Eevee, Marill, or Ralts all count as well. It is the Pokémon that they START with. It's a fact. Deal with it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::Starter Pokémon are called such because they are are started with. It is never stated that other Pokémon aren't starters, because they technically are. ''Start''er Pokémon. EDIT: If they are split, I think that everything but what the player starts with in the main series should be on starter, everything else on first. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 18:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC), edit time 18:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::In official materials, &quot;starter Pokémon&quot; always seems to be used to refer to the Grass-Fire-Water trios. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/chronicles-14-journey-to-the-starting-line/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/07_31-six-pack-attack/] [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-gb/pokemon/starters/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/10_01-following-a-maidens-voyage/] [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/16_12-new-placesfamiliar-faces/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/08_40-the-right-place-and-the-right-mime/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/super-smash-bros-brawl/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-emerald-version/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/explore-and-watch/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/black-white-cards]. I get that people would like the term to also refer to any Pokémon that any character has as their first Pokémon, but that is simply unsupported. The Grass-Fire-Water trios are clearly a distinct group, and they need a specific name to refer to them; officially, this has always been &quot;starter Pokémon&quot;, which has also excluded any other Pokémon a character may have as their first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A70000&quot;&gt;'''Snorlax'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000A7&quot;&gt;'''Monster'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Why is Marill on this page? ==<br /> <br /> Why is Marill on the page? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Because {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} has it. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#87CEEB&quot;&gt;Pikachu Bros.&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 00:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::Oh I see now, I miss read the entry.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::Just because Ethan/Lyra has it does not make it a starter IMO. same with Wally's Ralts. we might need to re-discuss this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia (Could be added to a trivia point speaking of egg group) ==<br /> <br /> ................. and Treecko and Charmander are the only starter pokemon to belonging to part dragon egg group. {{unsigned|Tgage}}<br /> :If two are in it, it's not unique and therefore not notable, even with the cool factors of dragons added to the equation. You could make a case for noting how Chimchar's the only one in Human-Like, but I think that may be the only one in a unique group. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] &lt;sup&gt;~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Mega Evolution Table==<br /> Could someone fix the table that shows the mega evolutions of all the starters? Currently they're all redlinks, but when I tried to fix it myself it messed up the images. [[User:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#111111&quot;&gt;'''slimey'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Slimey01|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AAAAAA&quot;&gt;'''01'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos starters gender ratio ==<br /> <br /> Okay so I have played through both x and y a few diferent times here and only ONCE has there been a male fennekin. My fist play through of Y I choose fennekin and she was female. Shaunas Chespin was also female. Further more I have started quite a few different play through in X due to always losing my nuzlocks and first go my forkie was female and shaunas fennekin was also female. second time through my froakie was male but still shauna fennekin was female. Ive also gotten 3 resets in a row female chespin. <br /> I dont know about froakie and chespin but Im PRETTY POSITIVE fennekins line is 75% female. Ive only seen 1 male fennekin in a lets play on youtube as well out of about 5 lets plays Ive watched. <br /> Im also fairly certain that frokie's line is 50/50 on gender and maybe chespins. <br /> I dont belive anyone can go through the code as of yet but Id like some proof at its still 75% the starter is male. I believe the reason they did that in gen 2 was so starters were more rare if you didnt know about ditto but that trend has kinda gotten out dated with everyone knowing of ditto and such. <br /> So yeah I believe the gender ratio should be unknown of the kalos starters until we can get official proof of it. <br /> I will say I have not done any breeding of the starters yet but think Ill start filling up a box for each one and post my results.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Furry|Furry]] ([[User talk:Furry|talk]]) 02:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : All of the starters have always had the same gender ratio, so not only is it probably safe to assume that the Kalos starters are the same but also people have the ability to see the coding of the games and as such we come up with the gender ratios for the Pokemon.<br /> <br /> Also, almost all of the starters I have are male.--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 17:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kalos secondary triangle ==<br /> <br /> The Kalos starters have, in their final forms, two type triangles: Grass/Fire/Water and Fighting/Psychic/Dark. This is notable. Yet it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Starter_Pok%C3%A9mon&amp;curid=1162&amp;diff=2134311&amp;oldid=2134310 was removed].<br /> <br /> But, you say: Dark is ''immune'' to Psychic rather than just being resistant. Well...so? Practically speaking, that is a trivial difference. If I put {{p|Braixen}} in against {{p|Chesnaught}}, Braixen has little to fear from Chesnaught's STAB moves whereas Chesnaught must fear any of Braixen's STAB moves. By the same token, if I put {{p|Greninja}} in against Braixen, Greninja has little to fear from Braixen's STAB moves whereas Braixen must fear any of Greninja's STAB moves. It's basically irrelevant that Greninja has ''even less'' to fear from Braixen than Braixen/Chesnaught do from Chesnaught/Greninja. The essential fact remains: by their typings (in their final forms), each of the starters has the advantage, ''both offensivley and defensively'', against another one of the starters in a triangular fashion.<br /> <br /> It is irrelevant that Dark is immune to Psychic. The essential fact of &quot;This Pokemon can do well against that one but not against the other one&quot; is exactly the same. Both triangles are valid and this second one deserves noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I think the inital trivia note on it before it was changed is valid<br /> ::* The Kalos starter Pokémon's secondary types ({{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}, and {{t|Dark}}) almost form another type-advantage triangle, being broken by the fact that the Dark type is immune to the Psychic type.<br /> : Someone changed it which ultimately caused it to become confusing and end up being removed as it was fine for however long it was on there until it was removed (after rewording).--[[User:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#00FF00&quot;&gt;Ditto51/Tom&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;My&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFFF00&quot;&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt;]]) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That I wouldn't mind since it's not stating that the Dark/Psychic/Fighting creates a triangle that is exactly like the Grass/Fire/Water cycle. In fact, it's why I decided to leave it there when it was added the first time before it was reworded.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 04:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't see how the immunity breaks this though. It still forms a type triangle. Am I missing something? --[[User:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Hoenn&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:HoennMaster|&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;Master&lt;/font&gt;]] 08:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> :::::The triangle is where the types are super effective to one type and resists the other. I feel that this is evident by Game Freak's continual usage of Grass/Fire/Water for the past six generations. Dark does not resist Psychic, thus breaking the triangle.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#025DA6&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5A96C5&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#EA1A3E&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F16A81&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Gender ==<br /> Isn't the starter Pokémon always the same gender as the player? If it is, should'nt it be added? <br /> [[User:Lokki]] [[User talk:Lokki|Talk]] 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :No, it isn't always the same. [[User:RandomDSplayer|RandomDSplayer]] ([[User talk:RandomDSplayer|talk]]) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Here is an interesting trivia fact about the Fire-type starters.<br /> <br /> '''There has been a superstition that the Fire-type starters are based on the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. Some of the information is false, like Cyndaquil and Fennekin based on the rat and dog.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bulbasaur_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2442219 2016-05-12T02:31:45Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Rotating art}}<br /> == Directory ==<br /> <br /> Hey can we not have Bulbasaur link to Deoxys in the directory? We're going to get new pokemon and it'd just be better to not have the pokemon in a loop. It'd save sanity for when we get the 4th Gen. I'm trying to fix it now[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 21:07, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How so? Just change Deoxys on the Bulbasaur page to whatever the new last one should be when necessary - a single page edit. It's not like there's going to be tons of new pokemon every day. [[User:Sheep|Sheep]] 21:25, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> Ok. Let me fix it but if you think I'm gonna relink all 386 pokemon with Meowth again like yesterday..You're nuts.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 21:36, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> No Deo-Bulba link. It's not circular. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 21:53, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Before all these Pokemon pages are redone, should nav be up on top as well as on bottom, or easily locating the nav, no matter how long the page? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> <br /> This doesn't really relate, but could we add some possibilities to what certain Pokemon are based off of? As well as what names seem to be based off of? Like Bulbasaur=bulb+dinosaur, or Bulbasaur appears to be a dinosaur? Just asking here because it's a Pokemon page with lots of activity {{unsigned|Surskitty}}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I'm going to try to automate changing all the navigations for all the Pokemon. Hopefully no one starts editing before I get my script working. I may still be a good hour away from perfecting it. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> <br /> Great. I don't feel like changing them all since we spent so long putting them there to begin with. [[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 01:46, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Can you believe I spend *36* minutes trying to get this working, trying things, and the problem with my script was an &quot;&amp;&quot; missing? I'll start mass-updating the pages after I ensure there are no problems, and write a looper. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> <br /> I can believe it. But, I thought we weren't going to loop to Deoxys? Evan said we weren't It's going to be a bit of a pain with the new Pokemon. Not to mention we have to put Munchlax and Rukario in there somewhere.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 02:59, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Would there be a template problem without the looping? If not, then anyone can freely unloop them. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> There is so far. I'm debating whether to make a special template for Deo and Bulba. {{unsigned|Evkl}}<br /> <br /> <br /> That should be easy enough. Make a &quot;next&quot; template and a &quot;previous&quot; template, and have the NextPrevious template combine these, right? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> Perhaps - the problem would then be developing a template to wrap the blue box around it. Or we could just cheat and duplicate code as needed. (Also, I thought you had the Bulbabot account at your disposal to do these automatic changes (they pollute the Recent changes page otherwise)). Also, your bot is a little too overzealous with the &amp;amp;lt; conversion - some HTML tags are also valid in Wiki. - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 07:15, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> The &amp;amp;lt; was a mistake because of how I managed the text (along with viewing it in the browser before I had all the find/replace working): download, change &amp;lt; to &amp;amp;lt;, then change newlines to BR tags, then modify, then change BR tags back to new lines, then replace the &amp;amp;lt;. I had forgotten about the &amp;amp;lt; in comments. In the end, it turned out I didn't even need to bother with less-than signs, as the textarea box doesn't even use HTML. As for BulbaBot, I don't remember the password, and it wasn't in .bash_history, nor did I feel up to checking my GAIM log. But if I knew that it wouldn't show up in recent changes, I would have done that. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> == Moves ==<br /> <br /> The version isn't specified, and there is already a page format allocated for this. If you just want to test things, you can do it on a seperate page. Or just use the &quot;Show preview&quot; button. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 02:52, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> We know...we're discussing the best way to handle it. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't have any snide comments. We're in a chat right now dealing with it. If you would like to be included in the BMG mod chat please AIM someone.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 03:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Don't mean to impose, but... ==<br /> <br /> Have you considered using the setup given by the Pokémon WikiProject at Wikipedia? The articles seems to be more a guide on how they are in the games, instead of their relevance in the game/anime/manga/TCG. Compare [[Wikipedia:Bulbasaur]] with [[Bulbasaur]], for instance. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 00:02, 7 September 2005 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I'm sorry, that wasn't terribly clear - what do you mean? What is lacking on the Bulbapedia article? Is it just a matter of depth covered (we might be the biggest Pokémon wiki encyclopedia, but we don't get the kind of activity Wikipedia gets) - or something else? As far as I can see, the Wikipedia articles are structured quite like ours. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 03:36, 7 September 2005 (CDT)<br /> :The articles just need some fleshing out. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 06:34, 7 September 2005 (CDT)<br /> ::Then it's nothing to be concerned about. Nothing is ever &quot;done&quot; - it's always open for improvement. Admittedly, it would be nice to have it fleshed out, but we simply don't have the kind of activity Wikipedia gets... so unless you're volunteering to do the work or help convince others to come contribute their work to Bulbapedia, you're just going to have to wait. Bulbapedia, like the Pokémon WikiProject, relies on volunteered work. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 07:07, 7 September 2005 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == GameShark/Action Replay Codes? ==<br /> <br /> Someone want to put up an explanation for we non-cheating types what the heck those codes are for and why they're in the article? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 06:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Indeed. They're gone now. The same user also made a dubious edit to the GS Ball article. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 11:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites! ==<br /> <br /> that whole table of the different sprites is very, very, cool. i am thinking perhaps that could become the Project Spritedex? something or another...anyways, i am just letting everybody out there know i would be eager to help get files of the different sprites for you guys...thanks [[User:bill33421]] <br /> PS: the emerald shiny sprite is missing<br /> :Actually, the sprites fall under {{bp|Project Pokédex}}. And yes, I know the Emerald shiny sprite is missing... I haven't been able to find it. If you can add the sprites to Bulbagarden Archives, well, more power to you. Just make sure to upload them with the proper filename. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 11:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> :interesting...so yes, i will try to get them, but if i could ask, how do '''you''' get them? is there a site that i can find pics on then upload to bulbagarden? or should i crop screenshots of games?<br /> *There are several sites out there with sprites. Pokemon elite 2000 and upokecenter are good candidates; however it is better to do them yourself. I am going to attempt to fill in all the missing sprites for the first generation- I have (nearly) uploaded all the normal and shiny crystal sprites. (all from 10-111)--[[User:Cadellin|Cadellin]] 13:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> [[User:Bill33421|Bill33421]] 19:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Diet ==<br /> <br /> What up wit the diet? We're talking about Pokémon, fictional creatures, here, not animals, very few have their own individual diets and most of them just have a link to the Pokémon food main article, I just don't see the point in it. -[[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]]<br /> :Think about it: is it better to have a link to an article or have nothing link to the article on Pokémon food? '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;TTE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == First Pokemon ==<br /> <br /> this part of the trivia section:<br /> <br /> &quot;# Bulbasaur is the first dual-type Pokémon in National Dex order.<br /> # Bulbasaur is the first Grass Pokémon in National Dex order.<br /> # Bulbasaur is the first Poison Pokémon in National Dex order.<br /> # Bulbasaur is the first Pokémon in the National Dex order. &quot;<br /> <br /> This sounds rediculous, we know Bulbasaur is the first pokemon, so we don't need to say it is the first poison type, grass type, and dual type. ([[User:GT4GTR|--&amp;lt;font color=#EED55E&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;●&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;#91;&amp;#91;User:GT4GTR&amp;#124;&amp;lt;font color=#4F506D&amp;gt;&amp;#39;&amp;#39;&amp;#39;GT4GTR&amp;#39;&amp;#39;&amp;#39;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;#93;&amp;#93; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;#91;&amp;#91;User talk:GT4GTR&amp;#124;&amp;lt;font color=#D6282C&amp;gt;&amp;#39;&amp;#39;/ talk /&amp;#39;&amp;#39;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;#93;&amp;#93;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] 10:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Movesets ==<br /> <br /> Someone should make it so that the moveset ''changes'' to the correct generation when you click on it, rather than linking to a seperate page. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;font color=&quot;black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;S&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;small&gt;i&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sub&gt;n&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;y&lt;/small&gt; &lt;sup&gt;N&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;small&gt;o&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sub&gt;c&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;t&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;o&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;small&gt;w&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sub&gt;l&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]] 00:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :&lt;s&gt;That's exactly what it does for me. Maybe it's something to do with your browser.&lt;/s&gt; Wait never mind. Well I'll leave a job like that to someone who knows his way around wiki coding.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: im not sure if thats possible. TTE made the templates, youll have to bring it up with him. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Bulbabye? ==<br /> <br /> I was watching the first movie again the other day, and in the Pikachu Short, Ash's Bulbasaur used the &quot;Bulba-Bye&quot; on Togepi. I came to check, but it wasn't here. Wouldn't that be something to put in the Behavior section or something like that? [[User:Dlt4|DLT4]] 04:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm pretty sure it would be &quot;Bulba-by,&quot; to fit with &quot;lullaby.&quot; Anyway, it would actually probably be more appropriate on [[Ash's Bulbasaur]], since this doesn't seem to exist outside of the Anime and I think that's the only Bulbasaur that used it. --[[User:Martonimos|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot;&gt;Martonimos&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Martonimos|((&lt;font color=&quot;#00FF00&quot;&gt;Argh&lt;/font&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|&lt;font color=&quot;#50C878&quot;&gt;Blargh&lt;/font&gt;))]]&lt;/sub&gt; 04:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was thinking that too - but Dexter said it was the 'first recording' of it, possibly implying that others do it too. [[User:Dlt4|DLT4]] 22:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Actually, it implies the exact opposite, if you think about it, considering Dexter was talking DURING the event. Dexter ain't psychic. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]])&lt;/sup&gt; 22:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Problem ==<br /> <br /> I have problems viewing the sprite section. When I press the show button it looks sort of distorted. I took a screenshot and I'll upload what it looks like within 5 minutes and post it here. I've tryed it multiple times and it might just be my computer or it might be an error in the system.--[[User:23-03-33]] 21:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Here is the image and as you can see the evolution overlaps the sprite page for some reason. [[User:23-03-33]]<br /> :[http://www.getfirefox.com I have a solution]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: Alternatively, get a new IE. I have IE7 and it works fine here. You seem to have... 6? --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 07:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: IE7 did make it show up right. thanks for your help. -- [[User:23-03-33]] 07:45, 6 September 2008 (EST)<br /> :::Which leaves us with a problem.What about with the random people who come to this site expecting a good page and the Evoluition box overlaps in the Sprite section....--[[User:DCM|&lt;font color=&quot;#FF1111&quot;&gt;DCM&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:DCM|((&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/DCM|&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/font&gt;))]]&lt;/sub&gt;<br /> Cant we put a link on the front page that says &quot;This Website is Best Viewed in Mozilla Firefox&quot; or whatever those say? [[User:Dlt4|DLT4]] 04:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Likely. Or plaster GET FIREFOX ads all over the freakin' place... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I like TTE's idea, but it's not rational. We should just put a notice on the main page space thingy bob. [[User:Tesh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B7AD96;&quot;&gt;'''TESH'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User_talk:Tesh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B7AD96;&quot;&gt;'''IGIGAS'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Even with IE6, if you open the sprite box, expand the window to full screen and shrink it back down again, everything lines up correctly. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::That Seems...Inconvenient To Me. [[User:Cal05000|cal05000]] 08:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Can MediaWiki do user-agent sniffing? That's a possible solution. Regardless, Firefox isn't the only good browser, nor is it the best browser. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites ==<br /> I'm not sure if anyones noticed but Bulbasaur's Platinum non shiny sprite is wrong... and i thought that only 4th gen and sinnoh dex pokemon got new sprites--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 08:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I just checked that and you're right, someone needs to fix it--Pokelova 18:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == werid thing ==<br /> <br /> When I was on venasor's (sorry for bad spelling), I wanted to see Bulbasaur's page, so I clicked on the name under it's image and when I got on the page it stated &quot;Get a life losers&quot; could someone please fix that. thanks ♥luna13♥<br /> <br /> :It's already been fixed. [[User:Chocolate|&lt;font color=&quot;6D351A&quot;&gt;Chocolate&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Chocolate|&lt;font color=&quot;6D351A&quot;&gt;Chat with Me&lt;/font&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:39, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Who would be dumb enough to put &quot;Get a life losers&quot; on bulbapedia. Its disgraceful! --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad10]] ([[User talk:Usyflad10|talk]]) 23:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites ==<br /> Anyone else see the shiny sprites are animated? Are the shiny Bulbasaurs in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum animated? {{SUBST::User:SLE aman/Signature}} 01:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Yes. And no, the DPPt sprites aren't animated. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::More accurately, they are animated in the game, but for some reason we're only animating the Platinum sprites.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation III Learnsets ==<br /> <br /> Just a quick question, why don't the other generation learnsets lead to the next Pokémon, like with the PokémonPrevNext thing? ''[[User:ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;9933ff&quot;&gt;シンジ&lt;/font&gt;]]''&lt;sub&gt;'''[[Paul|&lt;font color=&quot;6600CC&quot;&gt;Shinji&lt;/font&gt;]]'''&lt;/sub&gt;[[User talk:ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;5218FA&quot;&gt;Lover&lt;/font&gt;]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;9900cc&quot;&gt;Edits&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 21:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Um...why would they? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;512&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Uh, so it would be EASY to move through the Pokémon? Duh. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;9933ff&quot;&gt;シンジ&lt;/font&gt;]]''&lt;sub&gt;'''[[Paul|&lt;font color=&quot;6600CC&quot;&gt;Shinji&lt;/font&gt;]]'''&lt;/sub&gt;[[User talk:ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;5218FA&quot;&gt;Lover&lt;/font&gt;]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;9900cc&quot;&gt;Edits&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 23:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Gen III Move sets Wrong ==<br /> <br /> My Fire Red Bulbasaur didn't learn sweet scent until level 25. I'm not sure about the rest of the moves, but growth should have been offered at level 25 instead, and I still don't have that by 26. I'll update as I learn new moves. {{unsigned|Coldshrike}}<br /> :Done. I already fixed it, thanks for letting us know. '''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;►&lt;/span&gt;[[User:Kevzo8|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A2958D&quot;&gt;Ҝə&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;υz&lt;/span&gt;]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BBBBBB&quot;&gt;ø8&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 12:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Cry ==<br /> <br /> Bulbasaur's cry is a lower-pitched Pikachu cry. --I [[User:HideInTheDark|hide in the dark]]! 17:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)<br /> :It is! Hm. You know, on the [[cry]] page, there's information stating there's only 37 &quot;different&quot; cries that make the 151 sounds (obviously stuff like Mewtwo, Mew, Paras, and Parasect have the same underlying cry), but it'd be awesome if we could get someone to compile a list of all the Pokémon that use those specific cries. Gen II also has 30 more, making there be really 67 sounds for 251 Pokémon.<br /> :Think you could make this list up for us? '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Type Advantages over Gym Leaders==<br /> <br /> This is kind of a small thing, but it's listed that Bulbasaur has a type advantage over the first two gym leaders in Kanto. But since Lt. Surge uses electric types, that gives Bulbasaur a defensive advantage without an offensive disadvantage (as would be the case with Erika). So shouldn't Bulbasaur be listed as having a type advantage over the first three gym leaders? [[User:Gear-Richie|Gear-Richie]] 20:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Saying it has a type advantage for that means like when you used a Razor Leaf against Onix or Staryu it would say &quot;It's Super Effective!&quot;. Grass type moves don't do that against Electric types, so technically it is true like it already is. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 20:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So saying it has a type advantage is limited ONLY to an attack advantage? That doesn't seem right. That would mean there's a difference in nomenclature between Bulbasaur vs. Onix (Offensive only) and Bulbasaur vs. Starmie (Offensive and Defensive). But no such differentiation has ever been used. [[User:Gear-Richie|Gear-Richie]] 19:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Type advantage is only limited to Attack Advantage, due to Nintendo and the whole Pokémon community thinking you know the strengths and weaknesses of your Pokémon, so if you send out a Ice less Starmie against a Bulbasaur, you are only hurting your self. But, if you but a Bulbasaur against a Starmie, you are giving your self a advantage, due to the Attacks you gave them. Sorry if it sounds a little confusing &gt;.&gt; --[[User:Mclena45|Mclena45]] 02:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Back Sprite difference ==<br /> <br /> Hey- maybe i'm the first, but when i play Sapphire, Bulbasaur's back sprite is the same as bulbapedia's, however my Fire Red game shows a different back sprite. Here's what I mean: in Hoenn, Bulbasaur is squinting, where in FR&amp;LG, Bulbasaur's eyes are wide open.--[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 22:58:25, 22, August, 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I believe Bulbapedia uses the most recent back sprites available. So they'll use Emeralds back sprites for Gen III and Heart Gold and Soul Silver for Gen V when it comes out.--[[User:Mclena45|Mclena45]] 02:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Yellow==<br /> Just disproved the &quot;Bulbasaur joins in Yellow if you're level 20&quot; thing by actually playing Yellow. {{unsigned|PharosAM}}<br /> :It joins when Pikachu has high happiness. That's actually mentioned in the article. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 23:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, I just defeated Misty and i got it. Level 20 thing is a long time question on the topic. It may refer to the fact that you may need Pokémon at least level 20. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 12:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Sprites==<br /> <br /> If you look closely, the Gen.III backsprite is the same as the Gen.II one, only more updated.[[User:Crazylegs24]]<br /> :We try not to have trivia like that. '''[[Team Rocket|&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #550000;&quot;&gt;R.A.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FF2400&quot;&gt;Hunter&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FF2400&quot;&gt;Blade&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 03:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> If you look closely, you will find that ALL Pokémon are like that. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 22:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Protection ==<br /> <br /> May I ask why this page is protected? [[User:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Gold&quot;&gt;Cu&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Yellow&quot;&gt;bo&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Silver&quot;&gt;ne&lt;/font&gt;]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;Gray&quot;&gt;King&lt;/font&gt;]] 01:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obvius but not mentiond ==<br /> I would think it is fairly obvius that Bulbasaur inspired the name for Bulbapedia itself, yet it hasn't been mentiond in any trivia. [[User: EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 8:55, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it has. The last trivia item mentions how Bulbagarden takes its name from Bulbasaur. Bulbagarden is Bulbapedia's parent site. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Change the image link in the manga section to point to [[a:File:Saur Bulbasaur.jpg]]. &lt;font color=&quot;#3fff00&quot;&gt;'''UltimateSephiroth'''&lt;/font&gt; &lt;sup&gt;([[User:UltimateSephiroth|&lt;font color=&quot;#3f7f00&quot;&gt;about me&lt;/font&gt;]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|&lt;font color=&quot;#3f7f00&quot;&gt;chat&lt;/font&gt;]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])&lt;/sup&gt; 21:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Done. &lt;sc&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sc&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 22:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Thanks. &lt;font color=&quot;#3fff00&quot;&gt;'''UltimateSephiroth'''&lt;/font&gt; &lt;sup&gt;([[User:UltimateSephiroth|&lt;font color=&quot;#3f7f00&quot;&gt;about me&lt;/font&gt;]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|&lt;font color=&quot;#3f7f00&quot;&gt;chat&lt;/font&gt;]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])&lt;/sup&gt; 22:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was thinking we could add the Black and White locations to not only Bulbasaur's page, but all of the pokemon pages. The problem is, I don't have Black and White, so I'm not even sure if you have to transfer the pokemon over or not. Could you guys help me with that? {{u|Jlin8<br /> <br /> == Image snapback ==<br /> <br /> Why are all the images of Pokémon 001 - 151 turned back to their original red and green artwork? Someone please fix that and return the images to their most modern artworks.--[[User:Flameblight|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Flameblight&lt;/font&gt;]] 15:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, I just noticed that as well. I asked in a few other discussions, but I'm really confused why we're using pictures from [[Red and Green]] rather than [[FireRed and LeafGreen]]. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 17:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC))<br /> :Well, today is Red and Blue's birthday. I suppose that is why. &lt;sub style=&quot;color:#00008B;&quot;&gt;'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''&lt;/sub&gt; &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::That seems like a likely reason. Would've been nice if they mentioned that somewhere though so it doesn't look like the site got hacked.--[[User:Flameblight|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Flameblight&lt;/font&gt;]] 02:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 'Bulbasaur' instead of 'it'. ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it simply read better if the third-person pronoun 'it' was replaced by 'Bulbasaur' in a lot of cases on this page? I'm thinking specifically about the top of the article, but I'm sure small changes like that could be made to the rest of it. [[User:TomasOMeachair|TomasOMeachair]] 18:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I understand what you're saying about the 'it' problem in the first paragraph of the article, but it isn't good to say 'Bulbasaur' over and over again. It's repetitive, and slightly awkward to use the same word over and over again. Also, don't forget to sign your post by type the four tildes. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Sorry, I didn't know that was a rule. I'll do that from now on.<br /> <br /> ::I'm not saying we replace *every* instance of 'it' with 'Bulbasaur', but there are cases where it's not totally clear what the 'it' is referring to - you can understand what it's referring to if you apply a bit of common sense, obviously, but the issue's more one of grammar than anything else.<br /> <br /> ::I will say that I'm in no way an authority on style or English grammar (other than having it as a first language), so I'm completely open to advice/correction/direction. I don't seem to be able to edit the page myself, which is why I haven't gone and replaced 'it' with 'Bulbasaur' where I thought it was needed. [[User:TomasOMeachair|TomasOMeachair]] 18:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::The page seems to be protected, so I would ask one of the admins to do it. Put a message on their talk page and request an edit. That's what I usually do. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::As a general rule of thumb, if it is clear what a pronoun is referring to, it should normally be used, with the full noun to used occasionally. Repeating the full name every time is clumsy and can be distracting or difficult to read, while if it becames unclear or the pronoun hasn't been used for several sentences the noun should be used instead, to prevent confusion and remind readers what is being talked about.<br /> <br /> ::::That said, as I'm reading it, it is clear what ''it'' is referring to, but it is overused in places and gets repetitive, such as in the intro. Other sections overuse Bulbasaur a little, and read clumsily. Overall it's just a matter of style which isn't particularly bad in this article. I've reworded the intro slightly to try and make it less clumsy. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 00:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Broken link ==<br /> <br /> The links to &quot;Normal Box&quot; and &quot;Gorgeous Box&quot; under Held Items are broken. They should redirect to &quot;Pokémon doll#Normal and Gorgeous Boxes&quot; rather than &quot;Held item#Normal and Gorgeous Boxes.&quot; Other Pokémon who can generate these items might need this kind of edit too. (This kind of shows how fragile the current direct-linking system for items currently is, but it's way to late to change anything, of course. ☺ ) [[User:Redletterday|Redletterday]] 21:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks to {{u|Sol}}, those links were quickly fixed. (I'd like to add that I didn't have editing access to this article, which is why I posted here.) '''[[User:Redletterday|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red&quot;&gt;Redletterday&lt;/span&gt;]]''' ([[User Talk: Redletterday|Talk to me!]]) 18:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Minimum and maximum stats in generations 1 and 2? ==<br /> Hello! Sorry for my bad English, but I am from Germany. I hope, you can understand me.<br /> I just have the generation 1 and 2 games (red, blue, yellow, gold, silver, crystal), and I know, that in these games natures for Pokémon wasn't available (they're coming in generation 3). In the Pokémon pages from 'Bulbapedia' the minimum and maximum stats are calculated WITH this natures. How can I see the min. and max. stats in the first two generations? --[[User:LaBumm|LaBumm]] 12:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> :You would have to use the stat formula for Generation I and II found [[Stats|here]]. [[User:Pikiwyn|&lt;font color=&quot;#d0000d&quot; face=&quot;boopee&quot;&gt;'''''Pikiwyn'''''&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|&lt;tt&gt;&lt;sup&gt;'''''&lt;font color=&quot;black&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;'''''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;]] 12:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation V sprites ==<br /> Shouldn't we show the animation of the pokemon sprites in the sprite list?--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 00:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :The sprites are uploaded by individuals. Ripping the sprites from the games is a pain. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 00:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == who are the other pokemon? ==<br /> Bulbasaur's number in the National Pokédex and the Fiore Browser is the same: 001. This makes it and its evolution family one of only five families of Pokémon (comprising thirteen Pokémon altogether) {{unsigned|Jason avelino}}<br /> <br /> == Gallery ==<br /> <br /> Shouldn't we have an art gallery for ALL official pokemon art? Just because the art is more recently made does not mean that it has to be erased from bulbapedia right?--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 00:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :There is all kind of art on the Bulbagarden Archives which you can find in the side bar. There's really no need for a gallery. You can ask an admin though [[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::I thought this came up at some point, and they were either planning on making it in the distant future, or they decided it would be too hard to implement. &lt;sub style=&quot;color:#00008B;&quot;&gt;'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''&lt;/sub&gt; &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shiny differences ==<br /> Does anyone else think it would make sense to add a section under biology addressing the differences between not only Bulbasaur but all pokemon and their shiny versions, much like the Gender Differences section?[[User:Jericho Valentine|Jericho Valentine]] 02:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree with adding this, although this would need to be approved by an admin first. Try asking {{u|Kenji-girl}}, {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}, or for a full list of admins, [[Bulbapedia:Staff|see here]]. &lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:white; background-color:#007FFF&quot;&gt;'''X'''&lt;/span&gt;[[User:Vuvuzela2010|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF; background-color:white&quot;&gt;'''Vuvuzela2010''']]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:white; background-color:#007FFF&quot;&gt;'''X'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt; 03:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability ==<br /> <br /> Which [[ability]] did Bulbasaur have in the Generations I and II, because the page {{A|Overgrow}} saids the it was introduced in Generation III?<br /> <br /> [[User:Bulbapedian2187|Bulbapedian2187]] 16:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> :This is the first sentence of the page you linked:<br /> <br /> :''Abilities (Japanese: {{tt|特性|とくせい}} special characteristic) are a game mechanic '''introduced in [[Generation III]]'''''.<br /> :.........--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == GTS censor ==<br /> <br /> Just wondering. The last thing in the Trivia section says that English language Bulbasaur can't be traded over the GTS in Black and White. What's the part it censors? I can't find it. Again, just wondering. [[User:Pokered4000|Pokered4000]] 01:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Apparently &quot;{{color|FFFFFF|sau}}&quot; is an inappropriate word in German. The censor uses {{u|Umeko/List of censored words in Pokémon Black and White Versions|a list}} of words from various languages.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:08, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mascot? ==<br /> <br /> There's a bit of trivia about Bulbasaur being the mascot of Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden. I was going to remove it because I'm pretty sure it's been removed several times before, but I thought it'd be safer to ask about it first. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal Talian]] 07:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Thank you for asking. You're correct, it should not be there. We don't (or at least, shouldn't) mention the mascots of other websites, so we shouldn't mention this either. I've removed it. If it gets added again, you're welcome to remove it. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 00:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Could this count as trivia? ==<br /> <br /> I was going to add this in but I thought I'd what others said first: The three Pokemon of the Bulbasaur line have a coat which is closer to blue than green, like Ash's Bulbasaur, but in his overworld sprites, he is leafy colour of green, much like his Shiny form. Is this not a piece of trivia? I've seen this type of thing in many other Trivia sections, like in the Moltres page where it notes that earlier artwork sometimes showed Moltres's wings as fully engulfed, rather than partially engulfed, and I see this as similar. Could it be included? [[User:Tadzo|Tadzo]] 02:09, 5 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Not notable as far as I know since the mixture between appears to be teal (which is a hue between Blue and Green). That and it looks pretty obvious to most players (or so I would hope). As for that stuff on the Moltres page, &lt;s&gt;its there because it is noting it's current design and how looked in its beta form.&lt;/s&gt; Only time I've seen sprite trivia seemingly needed was if it noted it having to have a change in posture due to how offensive it could be to some people ({{p|Registeel}} in Diamond and Pearl) or if the coloring was changed do to how some people were offended by it ({{p|Jynx}}). ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 02:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Ah, as for Moltres, it's noted because of its overall sprite changes between generations or games, similar to how Kakuna's arms were noted being there in generation one but not any of the others. :) ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 02:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Frog ==<br /> <br /> Just because of it's ears and basic evolution doesn't mean it's not a frog: it is a dinosaur as well.<br /> <br /> Here's images to prove it.: <br /> <br /> body example:[[http://animal.discovery.com/tv/vanishing-frogs/anatomy/images/frog-anatomy.jpg]] and face example:[[http://www.colourbox.com/preview/2347562-238927-frog-put-out-a-head-from-pond-water.jpg]] <br /> <br /> Wartortle and Blastoise, though they're based on turtles, have ears too.[[User:Bennell|Bennell]] 19:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == One thing ==<br /> <br /> Why are we using Bulbasaur's generation 1 picture?<br /> --[[File:Spr b 4d 390.png]] [[User:Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.|Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.]] [[ 15:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation 1 artwork ==<br /> <br /> Excuse me, but shouldn't the [[Ken Sugimori]] [[Red and Green]] artwork be replaced with the latest one we got. Bulbapedia is an internet site, it should be as modern as it can be. Shouldn't we return to [[Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen]] artwork?<br /> <br /> NOTE: This applies to lots of other Pokemon. Since I didn't know where exactly to post it, I chose the very first [[Pokemon]] affected. {{Unsigned|BlueWartortle}}<br /> <br /> :That's to celebrate the 17th anniversary of Red and Green. '''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 19:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Will it return to normal afterwards, then? {{Unsigned|BlueWartortle}}<br /> :::Yes.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 21:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Biology ==<br /> <br /> Apart from the unfortunate decision to make all references to Bulbasaur and its species a singular noun, there are other things wrong with how this section is written.<br /> :A Bulbasaur is a small, {{DL|List of Pokémon by body style|Pokémon with a quadruped body|quadruped}} Pokémon with green or bluish green skin and dark patches.<br /> If Bulbasaur is small, than lots of Pokémon are small. By the way, being based on the Dicynodont, it is indeed reptilian. Its stance is its only similarity to toads. Patches imply different skin texture, such as Kangaskhan's bumps; those are indeed spots.<br /> :Due to being domesticated from birth, Bulbasaur is regarded as both rare and well-behaved Pokémon.<br /> Other than the obvious grammar error, this reads like there is but one Bulbasaur (who's nice).<br /> :[[PK01|Bulbasaur has also shown itself to be]] good at caring for young Pokémon, even having a special technique called the ‘’Bulba-by’’ where it picks up the young Pokémon with its vines, rocking it slowly in the air to calm it down.<br /> Too much hyperlinked text. Way too wordy. Instead of repeating &quot;young Pokémon,&quot; you could have left it how I'd worded it. Those apostrophes are all over the place. Missing a comma. Actions are not locations (use &quot;in which&quot; instead of &quot;where&quot;).<br /> :However, due to its status as starter Pokémon, Bulbasaur is hard to come by in the wild and generally found under the ownership of Trainers. In [[EP051|one episode]], it is shown that a Bulbasaur's bulb will flash blue when it is ready to evolve, and it must struggle to resist the transformation. The episode also shows that large groups of Bulbasaur gather every year in a hidden garden in Kanto to become Ivysaur.<br /> Grammar. I'm sure we could link to EP051 without wasting time mentioning the anime. --&lt;font face=&quot;Segoe UI&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;IWanna&lt;/font&gt;]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;VeryBest&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt; 08:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :These changes were decided by the staff as a whole after a long period of discussion. It was decided that the entire biology section should be written in singular, gender-neutral terms. This is what the Pokedex does, and it was decided that the most professional thing to do is write in the same style. This is not going to change. Having references to the anime that should be mentioned and linked to the correct episodes was another decision made after much discussion. Moving on to your complaints about this specific article.<br /> :Many Pokemon are indeed small. Being based on a reptile does not make it a reptile. When this was written, it was decided that because of Bulbasaur's mix of traits it was better not to include a specifier such as &quot;reptilian&quot;. Spots imply something like a leopard or a cheetah's markings. A spot is a round marking, which is not what Bulbasaur displays. Bulbasaur has irregularly shaped patches or blotches of darker color, not round spots of darker color. Overuse of the the pronoun &quot;its&quot; in reference to the young Pokemon making it confuses as the to whether you're talking about Bulbasaur or the baby.<br /> :: Bulbasaur can also be excellent caretakers, even having a special technique called the &quot;Bulba-by,&quot; used to soothe a young Pokémon by picking it up with its vines and rocking it slowly in the air, as seen in ''[[PK01|Pikachu’s Vacation]]''.<br /> Do the vines belong to Bulbasaur or the baby? &quot;It&quot; is used to refer to both, so one cannot be sure. The entire sentence still needs further rewording, really. I will look into that. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Biology section changes ==<br /> <br /> Probably a dumb question and I don't know where else I could ask this (I only put it here because this was the first Pokémon affected), but is there a reason some Pokémon have [[Mewtwo_(Pokémon)#Biology|more under their &quot;biology&quot; section]] than [[Bulbasaur_(Pokémon)#Biology|others]]? Is this an attempt to change the way the pages are organized? Just seems odd right now how some Pokémon have their bio section going into more categories including their special abilities and behaviors than others. And so far from what I've seen, it seems that only the [[Generation I]] except for {{p|Mewtwo}} are affected by this as well as a couple of Pokémon from other [[Generation|Gens]] scattered across the series. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 00:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Main_Page The message from the editor] explains this. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900&quot;&gt;'''It's'''&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC66FF&quot;&gt;'''Funktastic~!'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99CCFF&quot;&gt;''話してください''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;]] 00:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Thanks, guess that makes sense, though personally I was used to the sectioned segments. But, whatever, it happens. I always found the behavior section to be curious, guess I found how some Pokémon's behavior to be intriguing especially if they were based off of an actual animal in the real world. Still, makes sense to put it all into one group to avoid confusion I suppose. But I digress, again. :P ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 00:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flying Press and Freeze-Dry effectiveness ==<br /> <br /> Since the effectiveness of these two moves differs from other Fighting- and Ice-type attacks, don't you think it might be worth it adding a note under the type effectiveness table when these moves react differently than normal?<br /> For example, Bulbasaur normally resists Fighting-type moves, but takes normal damage from Flying Press, so we could add a note saying:<br /> *The effectiveness of [[Flying Press]] is 1×.<br /> Ludicolo normally takes normal damage from both Fighting- and Ice-type moves, but is weak to these two special attacks, so we could add two notes saying:<br /> *The effectiveness of [[Flying Press]] is 2×.<br /> *The effectiveness of [[Freeze-Dry]] is 4×.<br /> [[User:Loudo|Loudo]] ([[User talk:Loudo|talk]]) 15:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Bulbasaur and Bulbapedia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be listed that Bulbapedia is named after Bulbasaur (sorry, I cannot do a question mark) [[User:PKCat|PKCat]] ([[User talk:PKCat|talk]]) 02:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :It's mentioned on [[Bulbagarden]]'s page which is, imho, the only place that it needs to be mentioned. Fansites being named after Pokémon isn't really notable, even if we're the fansite. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900&quot;&gt;'''It's'''&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC66FF&quot;&gt;'''Funktastic~!'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99CCFF&quot;&gt;''話してください''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::OK, I wanted to check. [[User:PKCat|PKCat]] ([[User talk:PKCat|talk]]) 02:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==X and Y image?==<br /> I was wondering if I could provide an image for Bulbasaur in X and Y. (It can be changed if it isn't good quality.) I'm not great with links, (like the game and generation next to the sprite) but I can provide an image...[[User:SuperShroom63|SuperShroom63]] ([[User talk:SuperShroom63|talk]]) 20:51, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pokémon Battle Trozei Info==<br /> <br /> I noticed there's no side game data for Pokémon Battle Trozei in any Pokémon page, so I was going to add the locations where Pokémon can be found in the game. I started with Bulbasaur and tried to add the location where it is found, but it doesn't work.[[User:TepiGreninja|TepiGreninja]] ([[User talk:TepiGreninja|talk]]) 23:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Since it was a new game, it may be a while before it will work in the side game section. The location pages are currently works in progress in a user's userspace at the moment, and once they're set to go, they'll be incorporated into the mainspace. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 23:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This goes for every Pokemon, but Bulbasaur is the first so ==<br /> <br /> Why aren't the X/Y sprites animated? I think it just seems redundant when Smogon and tons of other websites have the animated sprites. Is it a hardware thing considering GIFs don't play correctly on some devices?<br /> [[User:SuperLuigi9624|SuperLuigi9624]] ([[User talk:SuperLuigi9624|talk]]) 00:08, 30 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :It's because the animated models have not been uploaded yet, just like how most of the animated BW/B2W2 sprites have not been uploaded yet.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:50, 30 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::If I recall there was more to it then just that, but you'd have to ask Kogs as to what the reason was. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 04:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Correction ==<br /> <br /> A &lt;nowiki&gt;&quot;&amp;mdash;&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; used in moves list destroys moves segregation.--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 19:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> :What do you mean by that? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think he means that the dashes are breaking the sorting. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 19:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::He might be right. I didn't upload it to Archives since it's not for any articles, but I put [http://oi61.tinypic.com/2hdcllx.jpg three different sorts] on Tinypic. The numbers are not even sorting in either case (left is unsorted, then increasing and decreasing in some order). So yes, the dash might need to be replaced for tables that sort, but what's interesting is that even the numbers are not sorting correctly (both sorts have 45 and 55 in that order, and 50, 90, 120, 80 in that order on opposite ends of the grid). There's nothing obvious in the code that should break it. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Disregarding for the moment whether that's actually what Dominikololo meant...<br /> ::::It's not actually the fault of most individual tables. Almost ''everything'' sortable on this page actually has broken sorting after the first column. (I haven't checked much, but I'd wager you'd find the same on most other Pokemon pages.) If you try to edit and preview any individual section, the table sorts fine. But if you preview the whole page, most tables are broken still/again.<br /> ::::Somehow, it seems as if the tutoring table is screwing things up for everything else. Weirdly, it's the only one that sorts correctly when the whole page is rendered, but if you remove ''just'' the tutoring table, suddenly everything else sorts fine. (Removing other templates doesn't affect it; certainly not those after tutoring anyway.) From a brief look, I have no idea why any of the tutoring templates might be causing that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::Would making tutoring non-sortable lead to fixing the problem? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Staff is aware and working on it. &lt;small&gt;[[User:Glik|glik]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Glik|glak]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:50, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I've learned [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Clothing&amp;diff=2118422&amp;oldid=2118420 before] that sorting doesn't play nicely with colspan. I figured out how to make the tutor table play nicely with everything else, and it has to do with the colspan in the header, but I can't offer any real explanation as to why it works or why it was broken.<br /> :::::::In {{template|Learnlist/tutorh/6}}, replace: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;! colspan=&quot;4&quot; | &amp;nbsp;[[Pokémon games|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000;&quot;&gt;Game&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;<br /> :::::::with four lines of: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;! &amp;nbsp;[[Pokémon games|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000;&quot;&gt;Game&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.<br /> :::::::Obviously you can play with that solution a bit however you want, but that's the gist. You can easily test it by just going to a Pokemon page, editing the whole page (and if you preview at this point, you'll notice that other tables like the level-up moves don't sort right), and replace the {{template|Learnlist/tutorh/6}} call with its wiki code. (It doesn't matter that the colors don't match or that the last few columns are missing.) Then if you make the substitution I wrote above and preview the result, you'll notice that all tables now sort correctly.<br /> :::::::...Alternatively, just don't make the tutor table sortable at all (i.e., remove &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;sortable&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:41, 12 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == TCG Pokédex Entries ==<br /> <br /> I'd like to start adding the TCG Pokédex entries to the Pokémon pages (one of the few things left on the to-do list), but I'm not entirely certain what template I should use. Maybe something like this?<br /> <br /> ====Pokédex entries====<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;margin:auto; width: 90%; text-align:center; background: #DDDDDD; border: 1px solid gray&quot;<br /> |-<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;text-align:left&quot; |Bulbasaur<br /> |-<br /> ! Card<br /> ! Expansion<br /> ! #<br /> ! Entry<br /> |- style=&quot;background: #fff&quot;<br /> | {{TCG ID|Base Set|Bulbasaur|44}}<br /> | {{TCG|Base Set}}<br /> | 44/102<br /> | A strange seed was planted on its back at birth. Thus, a plant sprouted and now grows with this Pokémon.<br /> |- style=&quot;background: #fff&quot;<br /> | {{TCG ID|Dark Explorers|Bulbasaur|1}}<br /> | {{TCG|Dark Explorers}}<br /> | 1/108<br /> | For some time after its birth, it grows by gaining nourishment from the seed on its back.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> &lt;BR&gt;Please let me know how this should be properly formatted so we can start adding this section to the Pokémon pages. Thanks :)<br /> &lt;BR&gt;[[User:RetroKitty|RetroKitty]] ([[User talk:RetroKitty|talk]]) 05:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Trivia Fact<br /> <br /> '''Bulbasaur is the first dual type basic staged Grass-type starter Pokémon.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:31, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

Chrisbulb https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bulbasaur_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2442218 2016-05-12T02:31:09Z

<p>Chrisbulb: /* Trivia Fact */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>{{Rotating art}}<br /> == Directory ==<br /> <br /> Hey can we not have Bulbasaur link to Deoxys in the directory? We're going to get new pokemon and it'd just be better to not have the pokemon in a loop. It'd save sanity for when we get the 4th Gen. I'm trying to fix it now[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 21:07, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How so? Just change Deoxys on the Bulbasaur page to whatever the new last one should be when necessary - a single page edit. It's not like there's going to be tons of new pokemon every day. [[User:Sheep|Sheep]] 21:25, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> Ok. Let me fix it but if you think I'm gonna relink all 386 pokemon with Meowth again like yesterday..You're nuts.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 21:36, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> No Deo-Bulba link. It's not circular. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 21:53, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Before all these Pokemon pages are redone, should nav be up on top as well as on bottom, or easily locating the nav, no matter how long the page? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> <br /> This doesn't really relate, but could we add some possibilities to what certain Pokemon are based off of? As well as what names seem to be based off of? Like Bulbasaur=bulb+dinosaur, or Bulbasaur appears to be a dinosaur? Just asking here because it's a Pokemon page with lots of activity {{unsigned|Surskitty}}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I'm going to try to automate changing all the navigations for all the Pokemon. Hopefully no one starts editing before I get my script working. I may still be a good hour away from perfecting it. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> <br /> Great. I don't feel like changing them all since we spent so long putting them there to begin with. [[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 01:46, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Can you believe I spend *36* minutes trying to get this working, trying things, and the problem with my script was an &quot;&amp;&quot; missing? I'll start mass-updating the pages after I ensure there are no problems, and write a looper. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> <br /> I can believe it. But, I thought we weren't going to loop to Deoxys? Evan said we weren't It's going to be a bit of a pain with the new Pokemon. Not to mention we have to put Munchlax and Rukario in there somewhere.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 02:59, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Would there be a template problem without the looping? If not, then anyone can freely unloop them. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> There is so far. I'm debating whether to make a special template for Deo and Bulba. {{unsigned|Evkl}}<br /> <br /> <br /> That should be easy enough. Make a &quot;next&quot; template and a &quot;previous&quot; template, and have the NextPrevious template combine these, right? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> Perhaps - the problem would then be developing a template to wrap the blue box around it. Or we could just cheat and duplicate code as needed. (Also, I thought you had the Bulbabot account at your disposal to do these automatic changes (they pollute the Recent changes page otherwise)). Also, your bot is a little too overzealous with the &amp;amp;lt; conversion - some HTML tags are also valid in Wiki. - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 07:15, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> The &amp;amp;lt; was a mistake because of how I managed the text (along with viewing it in the browser before I had all the find/replace working): download, change &amp;lt; to &amp;amp;lt;, then change newlines to BR tags, then modify, then change BR tags back to new lines, then replace the &amp;amp;lt;. I had forgotten about the &amp;amp;lt; in comments. In the end, it turned out I didn't even need to bother with less-than signs, as the textarea box doesn't even use HTML. As for BulbaBot, I don't remember the password, and it wasn't in .bash_history, nor did I feel up to checking my GAIM log. But if I knew that it wouldn't show up in recent changes, I would have done that. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> == Moves ==<br /> <br /> The version isn't specified, and there is already a page format allocated for this. If you just want to test things, you can do it on a seperate page. Or just use the &quot;Show preview&quot; button. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 02:52, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> We know...we're discussing the best way to handle it. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't have any snide comments. We're in a chat right now dealing with it. If you would like to be included in the BMG mod chat please AIM someone.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 03:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Don't mean to impose, but... ==<br /> <br /> Have you considered using the setup given by the Pokémon WikiProject at Wikipedia? The articles seems to be more a guide on how they are in the games, instead of their relevance in the game/anime/manga/TCG. Compare [[Wikipedia:Bulbasaur]] with [[Bulbasaur]], for instance. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 00:02, 7 September 2005 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I'm sorry, that wasn't terribly clear - what do you mean? What is lacking on the Bulbapedia article? Is it just a matter of depth covered (we might be the biggest Pokémon wiki encyclopedia, but we don't get the kind of activity Wikipedia gets) - or something else? As far as I can see, the Wikipedia articles are structured quite like ours. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 03:36, 7 September 2005 (CDT)<br /> :The articles just need some fleshing out. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 06:34, 7 September 2005 (CDT)<br /> ::Then it's nothing to be concerned about. Nothing is ever &quot;done&quot; - it's always open for improvement. Admittedly, it would be nice to have it fleshed out, but we simply don't have the kind of activity Wikipedia gets... so unless you're volunteering to do the work or help convince others to come contribute their work to Bulbapedia, you're just going to have to wait. Bulbapedia, like the Pokémon WikiProject, relies on volunteered work. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 07:07, 7 September 2005 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == GameShark/Action Replay Codes? ==<br /> <br /> Someone want to put up an explanation for we non-cheating types what the heck those codes are for and why they're in the article? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 06:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)<br /> :Indeed. They're gone now. The same user also made a dubious edit to the GS Ball article. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&lt;/sub&gt; 11:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites! ==<br /> <br /> that whole table of the different sprites is very, very, cool. i am thinking perhaps that could become the Project Spritedex? something or another...anyways, i am just letting everybody out there know i would be eager to help get files of the different sprites for you guys...thanks [[User:bill33421]] <br /> PS: the emerald shiny sprite is missing<br /> :Actually, the sprites fall under {{bp|Project Pokédex}}. And yes, I know the Emerald shiny sprite is missing... I haven't been able to find it. If you can add the sprites to Bulbagarden Archives, well, more power to you. Just make sure to upload them with the proper filename. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 11:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> :interesting...so yes, i will try to get them, but if i could ask, how do '''you''' get them? is there a site that i can find pics on then upload to bulbagarden? or should i crop screenshots of games?<br /> *There are several sites out there with sprites. Pokemon elite 2000 and upokecenter are good candidates; however it is better to do them yourself. I am going to attempt to fill in all the missing sprites for the first generation- I have (nearly) uploaded all the normal and shiny crystal sprites. (all from 10-111)--[[User:Cadellin|Cadellin]] 13:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> [[User:Bill33421|Bill33421]] 19:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Diet ==<br /> <br /> What up wit the diet? We're talking about Pokémon, fictional creatures, here, not animals, very few have their own individual diets and most of them just have a link to the Pokémon food main article, I just don't see the point in it. -[[User:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;K&lt;/span&gt;]][[User Talk:Kpokefan|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]][[Darkrai (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;F&lt;/span&gt;]]<br /> :Think about it: is it better to have a link to an article or have nothing link to the article on Pokémon food? '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;TTE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == First Pokemon ==<br /> <br /> this part of the trivia section:<br /> <br /> &quot;# Bulbasaur is the first dual-type Pokémon in National Dex order.<br /> # Bulbasaur is the first Grass Pokémon in National Dex order.<br /> # Bulbasaur is the first Poison Pokémon in National Dex order.<br /> # Bulbasaur is the first Pokémon in the National Dex order. &quot;<br /> <br /> This sounds rediculous, we know Bulbasaur is the first pokemon, so we don't need to say it is the first poison type, grass type, and dual type. ([[User:GT4GTR|--&amp;lt;font color=#EED55E&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;●&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;#91;&amp;#91;User:GT4GTR&amp;#124;&amp;lt;font color=#4F506D&amp;gt;&amp;#39;&amp;#39;&amp;#39;GT4GTR&amp;#39;&amp;#39;&amp;#39;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;#93;&amp;#93; &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;#91;&amp;#91;User talk:GT4GTR&amp;#124;&amp;lt;font color=#D6282C&amp;gt;&amp;#39;&amp;#39;/ talk /&amp;#39;&amp;#39;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;#93;&amp;#93;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]] 10:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC))<br /> <br /> == Movesets ==<br /> <br /> Someone should make it so that the moveset ''changes'' to the correct generation when you click on it, rather than linking to a seperate page. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;font color=&quot;black&quot;&gt;&lt;small&gt;S&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;h&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;small&gt;i&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sub&gt;n&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;y&lt;/small&gt; &lt;sup&gt;N&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;small&gt;o&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sub&gt;c&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;t&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;o&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;small&gt;w&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sub&gt;l&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]] 00:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :&lt;s&gt;That's exactly what it does for me. Maybe it's something to do with your browser.&lt;/s&gt; Wait never mind. Well I'll leave a job like that to someone who knows his way around wiki coding.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: im not sure if thats possible. TTE made the templates, youll have to bring it up with him. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;MAG&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#696969;&quot;&gt;NE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033;&quot;&gt;DETH&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Bulbabye? ==<br /> <br /> I was watching the first movie again the other day, and in the Pikachu Short, Ash's Bulbasaur used the &quot;Bulba-Bye&quot; on Togepi. I came to check, but it wasn't here. Wouldn't that be something to put in the Behavior section or something like that? [[User:Dlt4|DLT4]] 04:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I'm pretty sure it would be &quot;Bulba-by,&quot; to fit with &quot;lullaby.&quot; Anyway, it would actually probably be more appropriate on [[Ash's Bulbasaur]], since this doesn't seem to exist outside of the Anime and I think that's the only Bulbasaur that used it. --[[User:Martonimos|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot;&gt;Martonimos&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:Martonimos|((&lt;font color=&quot;#00FF00&quot;&gt;Argh&lt;/font&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|&lt;font color=&quot;#50C878&quot;&gt;Blargh&lt;/font&gt;))]]&lt;/sub&gt; 04:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was thinking that too - but Dexter said it was the 'first recording' of it, possibly implying that others do it too. [[User:Dlt4|DLT4]] 22:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Actually, it implies the exact opposite, if you think about it, considering Dexter was talking DURING the event. Dexter ain't psychic. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]])&lt;/sup&gt; 22:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Problem ==<br /> <br /> I have problems viewing the sprite section. When I press the show button it looks sort of distorted. I took a screenshot and I'll upload what it looks like within 5 minutes and post it here. I've tryed it multiple times and it might just be my computer or it might be an error in the system.--[[User:23-03-33]] 21:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Here is the image and as you can see the evolution overlaps the sprite page for some reason. [[User:23-03-33]]<br /> :[http://www.getfirefox.com I have a solution]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: Alternatively, get a new IE. I have IE7 and it works fine here. You seem to have... 6? --[[User:Kyoufu Kawa|Kyoufu Kawa]] 07:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: IE7 did make it show up right. thanks for your help. -- [[User:23-03-33]] 07:45, 6 September 2008 (EST)<br /> :::Which leaves us with a problem.What about with the random people who come to this site expecting a good page and the Evoluition box overlaps in the Sprite section....--[[User:DCM|&lt;font color=&quot;#FF1111&quot;&gt;DCM&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[User talk:DCM|((&lt;font color=&quot;#DAA520&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/DCM|&lt;font color=&quot;#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/font&gt;))]]&lt;/sub&gt;<br /> Cant we put a link on the front page that says &quot;This Website is Best Viewed in Mozilla Firefox&quot; or whatever those say? [[User:Dlt4|DLT4]] 04:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Likely. Or plaster GET FIREFOX ads all over the freakin' place... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::I like TTE's idea, but it's not rational. We should just put a notice on the main page space thingy bob. [[User:Tesh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B7AD96;&quot;&gt;'''TESH'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User_talk:Tesh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B7AD96;&quot;&gt;'''IGIGAS'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 16:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Even with IE6, if you open the sprite box, expand the window to full screen and shrink it back down again, everything lines up correctly. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#003366&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''$aturn'''&lt;/font&gt;]][[User:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#008000&quot; face=&quot;comic sans ms&quot;&gt;'''¥oshi'''&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#800000&quot;&gt;THE VOICES&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::That Seems...Inconvenient To Me. [[User:Cal05000|cal05000]] 08:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Can MediaWiki do user-agent sniffing? That's a possible solution. Regardless, Firefox isn't the only good browser, nor is it the best browser. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites ==<br /> I'm not sure if anyones noticed but Bulbasaur's Platinum non shiny sprite is wrong... and i thought that only 4th gen and sinnoh dex pokemon got new sprites--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 08:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I just checked that and you're right, someone needs to fix it--Pokelova 18:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == werid thing ==<br /> <br /> When I was on venasor's (sorry for bad spelling), I wanted to see Bulbasaur's page, so I clicked on the name under it's image and when I got on the page it stated &quot;Get a life losers&quot; could someone please fix that. thanks ♥luna13♥<br /> <br /> :It's already been fixed. [[User:Chocolate|&lt;font color=&quot;6D351A&quot;&gt;Chocolate&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Chocolate|&lt;font color=&quot;6D351A&quot;&gt;Chat with Me&lt;/font&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 16:39, 29 December 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Who would be dumb enough to put &quot;Get a life losers&quot; on bulbapedia. Its disgraceful! --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad10]] ([[User talk:Usyflad10|talk]]) 23:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sprites ==<br /> Anyone else see the shiny sprites are animated? Are the shiny Bulbasaurs in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum animated? {{SUBST::User:SLE aman/Signature}} 01:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Yes. And no, the DPPt sprites aren't animated. --[[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#33CC66;&quot;&gt;'''ケンジ'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6600CC;&quot;&gt;'''の'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00CC;&quot;&gt;'''ガール'''&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::More accurately, they are animated in the game, but for some reason we're only animating the Platinum sprites.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation III Learnsets ==<br /> <br /> Just a quick question, why don't the other generation learnsets lead to the next Pokémon, like with the PokémonPrevNext thing? ''[[User:ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;9933ff&quot;&gt;シンジ&lt;/font&gt;]]''&lt;sub&gt;'''[[Paul|&lt;font color=&quot;6600CC&quot;&gt;Shinji&lt;/font&gt;]]'''&lt;/sub&gt;[[User talk:ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;5218FA&quot;&gt;Lover&lt;/font&gt;]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;9900cc&quot;&gt;Edits&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 21:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Um...why would they? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;512&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::Uh, so it would be EASY to move through the Pokémon? Duh. ''[[User:ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;9933ff&quot;&gt;シンジ&lt;/font&gt;]]''&lt;sub&gt;'''[[Paul|&lt;font color=&quot;6600CC&quot;&gt;Shinji&lt;/font&gt;]]'''&lt;/sub&gt;[[User talk:ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;5218FA&quot;&gt;Lover&lt;/font&gt;]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|&lt;font color=&quot;9900cc&quot;&gt;Edits&lt;/font&gt;]]''' 23:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Gen III Move sets Wrong ==<br /> <br /> My Fire Red Bulbasaur didn't learn sweet scent until level 25. I'm not sure about the rest of the moves, but growth should have been offered at level 25 instead, and I still don't have that by 26. I'll update as I learn new moves. {{unsigned|Coldshrike}}<br /> :Done. I already fixed it, thanks for letting us know. '''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E3E3E3&quot;&gt;►&lt;/span&gt;[[User:Kevzo8|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A2958D&quot;&gt;Ҝə&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C0C0C0&quot;&gt;υz&lt;/span&gt;]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#BBBBBB&quot;&gt;ø8&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 12:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Cry ==<br /> <br /> Bulbasaur's cry is a lower-pitched Pikachu cry. --I [[User:HideInTheDark|hide in the dark]]! 17:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)<br /> :It is! Hm. You know, on the [[cry]] page, there's information stating there's only 37 &quot;different&quot; cries that make the 151 sounds (obviously stuff like Mewtwo, Mew, Paras, and Parasect have the same underlying cry), but it'd be awesome if we could get someone to compile a list of all the Pokémon that use those specific cries. Gen II also has 30 more, making there be really 67 sounds for 251 Pokémon.<br /> :Think you could make this list up for us? '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Type Advantages over Gym Leaders==<br /> <br /> This is kind of a small thing, but it's listed that Bulbasaur has a type advantage over the first two gym leaders in Kanto. But since Lt. Surge uses electric types, that gives Bulbasaur a defensive advantage without an offensive disadvantage (as would be the case with Erika). So shouldn't Bulbasaur be listed as having a type advantage over the first three gym leaders? [[User:Gear-Richie|Gear-Richie]] 20:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Saying it has a type advantage for that means like when you used a Razor Leaf against Onix or Staryu it would say &quot;It's Super Effective!&quot;. Grass type moves don't do that against Electric types, so technically it is true like it already is. --[[User:PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Psychic'''&lt;/sup&gt;]][[User talk:PsychicRider|&lt;sub style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''Rider'''&lt;/sub&gt;]]''&lt;small&gt;''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|&lt;sup style=&quot;color:#000000;&quot;&gt;'''☮'''&lt;/sup&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt; 20:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So saying it has a type advantage is limited ONLY to an attack advantage? That doesn't seem right. That would mean there's a difference in nomenclature between Bulbasaur vs. Onix (Offensive only) and Bulbasaur vs. Starmie (Offensive and Defensive). But no such differentiation has ever been used. [[User:Gear-Richie|Gear-Richie]] 19:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Type advantage is only limited to Attack Advantage, due to Nintendo and the whole Pokémon community thinking you know the strengths and weaknesses of your Pokémon, so if you send out a Ice less Starmie against a Bulbasaur, you are only hurting your self. But, if you but a Bulbasaur against a Starmie, you are giving your self a advantage, due to the Attacks you gave them. Sorry if it sounds a little confusing &gt;.&gt; --[[User:Mclena45|Mclena45]] 02:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Back Sprite difference ==<br /> <br /> Hey- maybe i'm the first, but when i play Sapphire, Bulbasaur's back sprite is the same as bulbapedia's, however my Fire Red game shows a different back sprite. Here's what I mean: in Hoenn, Bulbasaur is squinting, where in FR&amp;LG, Bulbasaur's eyes are wide open.--[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 22:58:25, 22, August, 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I believe Bulbapedia uses the most recent back sprites available. So they'll use Emeralds back sprites for Gen III and Heart Gold and Soul Silver for Gen V when it comes out.--[[User:Mclena45|Mclena45]] 02:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Yellow==<br /> Just disproved the &quot;Bulbasaur joins in Yellow if you're level 20&quot; thing by actually playing Yellow. {{unsigned|PharosAM}}<br /> :It joins when Pikachu has high happiness. That's actually mentioned in the article. &amp;mdash;'''&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000&quot;&gt;darklord&lt;/span&gt;[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0047AB&quot;&gt;trom&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;''' 23:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, I just defeated Misty and i got it. Level 20 thing is a long time question on the topic. It may refer to the fact that you may need Pokémon at least level 20. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 12:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Sprites==<br /> <br /> If you look closely, the Gen.III backsprite is the same as the Gen.II one, only more updated.[[User:Crazylegs24]]<br /> :We try not to have trivia like that. '''[[Team Rocket|&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #550000;&quot;&gt;R.A.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FF2400&quot;&gt;Hunter&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|&lt;small&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#FF2400&quot;&gt;Blade&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 03:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br /> If you look closely, you will find that ALL Pokémon are like that. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 22:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Protection ==<br /> <br /> May I ask why this page is protected? [[User:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Gold&quot;&gt;Cu&lt;/font&gt;]][[User talk:CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Yellow&quot;&gt;bo&lt;/font&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|&lt;font color=&quot;Silver&quot;&gt;ne&lt;/font&gt;]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|&lt;font color=&quot;Gray&quot;&gt;King&lt;/font&gt;]] 01:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Obvius but not mentiond ==<br /> I would think it is fairly obvius that Bulbasaur inspired the name for Bulbapedia itself, yet it hasn't been mentiond in any trivia. [[User: EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 8:55, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Yes it has. The last trivia item mentions how Bulbagarden takes its name from Bulbasaur. Bulbagarden is Bulbapedia's parent site. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Edit request ==<br /> <br /> Change the image link in the manga section to point to [[a:File:Saur Bulbasaur.jpg]]. &lt;font color=&quot;#3fff00&quot;&gt;'''UltimateSephiroth'''&lt;/font&gt; &lt;sup&gt;([[User:UltimateSephiroth|&lt;font color=&quot;#3f7f00&quot;&gt;about me&lt;/font&gt;]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|&lt;font color=&quot;#3f7f00&quot;&gt;chat&lt;/font&gt;]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])&lt;/sup&gt; 21:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Done. &lt;sc&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sc&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 22:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::Thanks. &lt;font color=&quot;#3fff00&quot;&gt;'''UltimateSephiroth'''&lt;/font&gt; &lt;sup&gt;([[User:UltimateSephiroth|&lt;font color=&quot;#3f7f00&quot;&gt;about me&lt;/font&gt;]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|&lt;font color=&quot;#3f7f00&quot;&gt;chat&lt;/font&gt;]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])&lt;/sup&gt; 22:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was thinking we could add the Black and White locations to not only Bulbasaur's page, but all of the pokemon pages. The problem is, I don't have Black and White, so I'm not even sure if you have to transfer the pokemon over or not. Could you guys help me with that? {{u|Jlin8<br /> <br /> == Image snapback ==<br /> <br /> Why are all the images of Pokémon 001 - 151 turned back to their original red and green artwork? Someone please fix that and return the images to their most modern artworks.--[[User:Flameblight|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Flameblight&lt;/font&gt;]] 15:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yeah, I just noticed that as well. I asked in a few other discussions, but I'm really confused why we're using pictures from [[Red and Green]] rather than [[FireRed and LeafGreen]]. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 17:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC))<br /> :Well, today is Red and Blue's birthday. I suppose that is why. &lt;sub style=&quot;color:#00008B;&quot;&gt;'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''&lt;/sub&gt; &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::That seems like a likely reason. Would've been nice if they mentioned that somewhere though so it doesn't look like the site got hacked.--[[User:Flameblight|&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Flameblight&lt;/font&gt;]] 02:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 'Bulbasaur' instead of 'it'. ==<br /> <br /> Wouldn't it simply read better if the third-person pronoun 'it' was replaced by 'Bulbasaur' in a lot of cases on this page? I'm thinking specifically about the top of the article, but I'm sure small changes like that could be made to the rest of it. [[User:TomasOMeachair|TomasOMeachair]] 18:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I understand what you're saying about the 'it' problem in the first paragraph of the article, but it isn't good to say 'Bulbasaur' over and over again. It's repetitive, and slightly awkward to use the same word over and over again. Also, don't forget to sign your post by type the four tildes. ^^ [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Sorry, I didn't know that was a rule. I'll do that from now on.<br /> <br /> ::I'm not saying we replace *every* instance of 'it' with 'Bulbasaur', but there are cases where it's not totally clear what the 'it' is referring to - you can understand what it's referring to if you apply a bit of common sense, obviously, but the issue's more one of grammar than anything else.<br /> <br /> ::I will say that I'm in no way an authority on style or English grammar (other than having it as a first language), so I'm completely open to advice/correction/direction. I don't seem to be able to edit the page myself, which is why I haven't gone and replaced 'it' with 'Bulbasaur' where I thought it was needed. [[User:TomasOMeachair|TomasOMeachair]] 18:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :::The page seems to be protected, so I would ask one of the admins to do it. Put a message on their talk page and request an edit. That's what I usually do. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> ::::As a general rule of thumb, if it is clear what a pronoun is referring to, it should normally be used, with the full noun to used occasionally. Repeating the full name every time is clumsy and can be distracting or difficult to read, while if it becames unclear or the pronoun hasn't been used for several sentences the noun should be used instead, to prevent confusion and remind readers what is being talked about.<br /> <br /> ::::That said, as I'm reading it, it is clear what ''it'' is referring to, but it is overused in places and gets repetitive, such as in the intro. Other sections overuse Bulbasaur a little, and read clumsily. Overall it's just a matter of style which isn't particularly bad in this article. I've reworded the intro slightly to try and make it less clumsy. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 00:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Broken link ==<br /> <br /> The links to &quot;Normal Box&quot; and &quot;Gorgeous Box&quot; under Held Items are broken. They should redirect to &quot;Pokémon doll#Normal and Gorgeous Boxes&quot; rather than &quot;Held item#Normal and Gorgeous Boxes.&quot; Other Pokémon who can generate these items might need this kind of edit too. (This kind of shows how fragile the current direct-linking system for items currently is, but it's way to late to change anything, of course. ☺ ) [[User:Redletterday|Redletterday]] 21:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br /> :Thanks to {{u|Sol}}, those links were quickly fixed. (I'd like to add that I didn't have editing access to this article, which is why I posted here.) '''[[User:Redletterday|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red&quot;&gt;Redletterday&lt;/span&gt;]]''' ([[User Talk: Redletterday|Talk to me!]]) 18:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Minimum and maximum stats in generations 1 and 2? ==<br /> Hello! Sorry for my bad English, but I am from Germany. I hope, you can understand me.<br /> I just have the generation 1 and 2 games (red, blue, yellow, gold, silver, crystal), and I know, that in these games natures for Pokémon wasn't available (they're coming in generation 3). In the Pokémon pages from 'Bulbapedia' the minimum and maximum stats are calculated WITH this natures. How can I see the min. and max. stats in the first two generations? --[[User:LaBumm|LaBumm]] 12:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> :You would have to use the stat formula for Generation I and II found [[Stats|here]]. [[User:Pikiwyn|&lt;font color=&quot;#d0000d&quot; face=&quot;boopee&quot;&gt;'''''Pikiwyn'''''&lt;/font&gt;]] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|&lt;tt&gt;&lt;sup&gt;'''''&lt;font color=&quot;black&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/font&gt;'''''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;]] 12:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation V sprites ==<br /> Shouldn't we show the animation of the pokemon sprites in the sprite list?--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 00:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> :The sprites are uploaded by individuals. Ripping the sprites from the games is a pain. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 00:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == who are the other pokemon? ==<br /> Bulbasaur's number in the National Pokédex and the Fiore Browser is the same: 001. This makes it and its evolution family one of only five families of Pokémon (comprising thirteen Pokémon altogether) {{unsigned|Jason avelino}}<br /> <br /> == Gallery ==<br /> <br /> Shouldn't we have an art gallery for ALL official pokemon art? Just because the art is more recently made does not mean that it has to be erased from bulbapedia right?--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 00:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> :There is all kind of art on the Bulbagarden Archives which you can find in the side bar. There's really no need for a gallery. You can ask an admin though [[User:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;--Pokemaster&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|&lt;span style=&quot;color:Blue;&quot;&gt;97&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> ::I thought this came up at some point, and they were either planning on making it in the distant future, or they decided it would be too hard to implement. &lt;sub style=&quot;color:#00008B;&quot;&gt;'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''&lt;/sub&gt; &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Shiny differences ==<br /> Does anyone else think it would make sense to add a section under biology addressing the differences between not only Bulbasaur but all pokemon and their shiny versions, much like the Gender Differences section?[[User:Jericho Valentine|Jericho Valentine]] 02:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br /> :I would agree with adding this, although this would need to be approved by an admin first. Try asking {{u|Kenji-girl}}, {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}, or for a full list of admins, [[Bulbapedia:Staff|see here]]. &lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:white; background-color:#007FFF&quot;&gt;'''X'''&lt;/span&gt;[[User:Vuvuzela2010|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#007FFF; background-color:white&quot;&gt;'''Vuvuzela2010''']]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:white; background-color:#007FFF&quot;&gt;'''X'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt; 03:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ability ==<br /> <br /> Which [[ability]] did Bulbasaur have in the Generations I and II, because the page {{A|Overgrow}} saids the it was introduced in Generation III?<br /> <br /> [[User:Bulbapedian2187|Bulbapedian2187]] 16:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> :This is the first sentence of the page you linked:<br /> <br /> :''Abilities (Japanese: {{tt|特性|とくせい}} special characteristic) are a game mechanic '''introduced in [[Generation III]]'''''.<br /> :.........--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 16:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == GTS censor ==<br /> <br /> Just wondering. The last thing in the Trivia section says that English language Bulbasaur can't be traded over the GTS in Black and White. What's the part it censors? I can't find it. Again, just wondering. [[User:Pokered4000|Pokered4000]] 01:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> :Apparently &quot;{{color|FFFFFF|sau}}&quot; is an inappropriate word in German. The censor uses {{u|Umeko/List of censored words in Pokémon Black and White Versions|a list}} of words from various languages.--[[User:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;Mister&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008000&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#800080&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:08, 22 December 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Mascot? ==<br /> <br /> There's a bit of trivia about Bulbasaur being the mascot of Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden. I was going to remove it because I'm pretty sure it's been removed several times before, but I thought it'd be safer to ask about it first. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal Talian]] 07:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Thank you for asking. You're correct, it should not be there. We don't (or at least, shouldn't) mention the mascots of other websites, so we shouldn't mention this either. I've removed it. If it gets added again, you're welcome to remove it. &lt;span class=&quot;sc&quot;&gt;[[User:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D4B98;&quot;&gt;Werdnae&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Werdnae|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009000;&quot;&gt;(talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 00:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Could this count as trivia? ==<br /> <br /> I was going to add this in but I thought I'd what others said first: The three Pokemon of the Bulbasaur line have a coat which is closer to blue than green, like Ash's Bulbasaur, but in his overworld sprites, he is leafy colour of green, much like his Shiny form. Is this not a piece of trivia? I've seen this type of thing in many other Trivia sections, like in the Moltres page where it notes that earlier artwork sometimes showed Moltres's wings as fully engulfed, rather than partially engulfed, and I see this as similar. Could it be included? [[User:Tadzo|Tadzo]] 02:09, 5 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Not notable as far as I know since the mixture between appears to be teal (which is a hue between Blue and Green). That and it looks pretty obvious to most players (or so I would hope). As for that stuff on the Moltres page, &lt;s&gt;its there because it is noting it's current design and how looked in its beta form.&lt;/s&gt; Only time I've seen sprite trivia seemingly needed was if it noted it having to have a change in posture due to how offensive it could be to some people ({{p|Registeel}} in Diamond and Pearl) or if the coloring was changed do to how some people were offended by it ({{p|Jynx}}). ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 02:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> :Ah, as for Moltres, it's noted because of its overall sprite changes between generations or games, similar to how Kakuna's arms were noted being there in generation one but not any of the others. :) ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:teal&quot;&gt;Frozen&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Fennec&lt;/span&gt;]]'' 02:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Frog ==<br /> <br /> Just because of it's ears and basic evolution doesn't mean it's not a frog: it is a dinosaur as well.<br /> <br /> Here's images to prove it.: <br /> <br /> body example:[[http://animal.discovery.com/tv/vanishing-frogs/anatomy/images/frog-anatomy.jpg]] and face example:[[http://www.colourbox.com/preview/2347562-238927-frog-put-out-a-head-from-pond-water.jpg]] <br /> <br /> Wartortle and Blastoise, though they're based on turtles, have ears too.[[User:Bennell|Bennell]] 19:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == One thing ==<br /> <br /> Why are we using Bulbasaur's generation 1 picture?<br /> --[[File:Spr b 4d 390.png]] [[User:Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.|Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.]] [[ 15:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation 1 artwork ==<br /> <br /> Excuse me, but shouldn't the [[Ken Sugimori]] [[Red and Green]] artwork be replaced with the latest one we got. Bulbapedia is an internet site, it should be as modern as it can be. Shouldn't we return to [[Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen]] artwork?<br /> <br /> NOTE: This applies to lots of other Pokemon. Since I didn't know where exactly to post it, I chose the very first [[Pokemon]] affected. {{Unsigned|BlueWartortle}}<br /> <br /> :That's to celebrate the 17th anniversary of Red and Green. '''''&lt;font color=&quot;#705898&quot;&gt;&lt;sub&gt;[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...&lt;/sub&gt; [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''&lt;/font&gt; 19:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Will it return to normal afterwards, then? {{Unsigned|BlueWartortle}}<br /> :::Yes.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#AB0909&quot;&gt;電&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#063A73&quot;&gt;禅&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|&lt;font color=&quot;#fff&quot; face=&quot;Tahoma&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml&quot;&gt;Den Zen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;''' 21:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Biology ==<br /> <br /> Apart from the unfortunate decision to make all references to Bulbasaur and its species a singular noun, there are other things wrong with how this section is written.<br /> :A Bulbasaur is a small, {{DL|List of Pokémon by body style|Pokémon with a quadruped body|quadruped}} Pokémon with green or bluish green skin and dark patches.<br /> If Bulbasaur is small, than lots of Pokémon are small. By the way, being based on the Dicynodont, it is indeed reptilian. Its stance is its only similarity to toads. Patches imply different skin texture, such as Kangaskhan's bumps; those are indeed spots.<br /> :Due to being domesticated from birth, Bulbasaur is regarded as both rare and well-behaved Pokémon.<br /> Other than the obvious grammar error, this reads like there is but one Bulbasaur (who's nice).<br /> :[[PK01|Bulbasaur has also shown itself to be]] good at caring for young Pokémon, even having a special technique called the ‘’Bulba-by’’ where it picks up the young Pokémon with its vines, rocking it slowly in the air to calm it down.<br /> Too much hyperlinked text. Way too wordy. Instead of repeating &quot;young Pokémon,&quot; you could have left it how I'd worded it. Those apostrophes are all over the place. Missing a comma. Actions are not locations (use &quot;in which&quot; instead of &quot;where&quot;).<br /> :However, due to its status as starter Pokémon, Bulbasaur is hard to come by in the wild and generally found under the ownership of Trainers. In [[EP051|one episode]], it is shown that a Bulbasaur's bulb will flash blue when it is ready to evolve, and it must struggle to resist the transformation. The episode also shows that large groups of Bulbasaur gather every year in a hidden garden in Kanto to become Ivysaur.<br /> Grammar. I'm sure we could link to EP051 without wasting time mentioning the anime. --&lt;font face=&quot;Segoe UI&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;IWanna&lt;/font&gt;]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;VeryBest&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt; 08:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> :These changes were decided by the staff as a whole after a long period of discussion. It was decided that the entire biology section should be written in singular, gender-neutral terms. This is what the Pokedex does, and it was decided that the most professional thing to do is write in the same style. This is not going to change. Having references to the anime that should be mentioned and linked to the correct episodes was another decision made after much discussion. Moving on to your complaints about this specific article.<br /> :Many Pokemon are indeed small. Being based on a reptile does not make it a reptile. When this was written, it was decided that because of Bulbasaur's mix of traits it was better not to include a specifier such as &quot;reptilian&quot;. Spots imply something like a leopard or a cheetah's markings. A spot is a round marking, which is not what Bulbasaur displays. Bulbasaur has irregularly shaped patches or blotches of darker color, not round spots of darker color. Overuse of the the pronoun &quot;its&quot; in reference to the young Pokemon making it confuses as the to whether you're talking about Bulbasaur or the baby.<br /> :: Bulbasaur can also be excellent caretakers, even having a special technique called the &quot;Bulba-by,&quot; used to soothe a young Pokémon by picking it up with its vines and rocking it slowly in the air, as seen in ''[[PK01|Pikachu’s Vacation]]''.<br /> Do the vines belong to Bulbasaur or the baby? &quot;It&quot; is used to refer to both, so one cannot be sure. The entire sentence still needs further rewording, really. I will look into that. [[User:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9F00C5&quot;&gt;Crystal&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF00FF&quot;&gt;Talian&lt;/span&gt;]] 09:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Biology section changes ==<br /> <br /> Probably a dumb question and I don't know where else I could ask this (I only put it here because this was the first Pokémon affected), but is there a reason some Pokémon have [[Mewtwo_(Pokémon)#Biology|more under their &quot;biology&quot; section]] than [[Bulbasaur_(Pokémon)#Biology|others]]? Is this an attempt to change the way the pages are organized? Just seems odd right now how some Pokémon have their bio section going into more categories including their special abilities and behaviors than others. And so far from what I've seen, it seems that only the [[Generation I]] except for {{p|Mewtwo}} are affected by this as well as a couple of Pokémon from other [[Generation|Gens]] scattered across the series. ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 00:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> :[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Main_Page The message from the editor] explains this. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900&quot;&gt;'''It's'''&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC66FF&quot;&gt;'''Funktastic~!'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99CCFF&quot;&gt;''話してください''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;]] 00:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> ::Thanks, guess that makes sense, though personally I was used to the sectioned segments. But, whatever, it happens. I always found the behavior section to be curious, guess I found how some Pokémon's behavior to be intriguing especially if they were based off of an actual animal in the real world. Still, makes sense to put it all into one group to avoid confusion I suppose. But I digress, again. :P ----[[User:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:blue&quot;&gt;NateVirus&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;''([[User talk:NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/span&gt;]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;Contributions&lt;/span&gt;]]''&lt;/small&gt;) 00:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Flying Press and Freeze-Dry effectiveness ==<br /> <br /> Since the effectiveness of these two moves differs from other Fighting- and Ice-type attacks, don't you think it might be worth it adding a note under the type effectiveness table when these moves react differently than normal?<br /> For example, Bulbasaur normally resists Fighting-type moves, but takes normal damage from Flying Press, so we could add a note saying:<br /> *The effectiveness of [[Flying Press]] is 1×.<br /> Ludicolo normally takes normal damage from both Fighting- and Ice-type moves, but is weak to these two special attacks, so we could add two notes saying:<br /> *The effectiveness of [[Flying Press]] is 2×.<br /> *The effectiveness of [[Freeze-Dry]] is 4×.<br /> [[User:Loudo|Loudo]] ([[User talk:Loudo|talk]]) 15:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Bulbasaur and Bulbapedia ==<br /> <br /> Should it be listed that Bulbapedia is named after Bulbasaur (sorry, I cannot do a question mark) [[User:PKCat|PKCat]] ([[User talk:PKCat|talk]]) 02:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> :It's mentioned on [[Bulbagarden]]'s page which is, imho, the only place that it needs to be mentioned. Fansites being named after Pokémon isn't really notable, even if we're the fansite. --[[User:Funktastic~!|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#009900&quot;&gt;'''It's'''&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC66FF&quot;&gt;'''Funktastic~!'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99CCFF&quot;&gt;''話してください''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;]] 02:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> ::OK, I wanted to check. [[User:PKCat|PKCat]] ([[User talk:PKCat|talk]]) 02:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==X and Y image?==<br /> I was wondering if I could provide an image for Bulbasaur in X and Y. (It can be changed if it isn't good quality.) I'm not great with links, (like the game and generation next to the sprite) but I can provide an image...[[User:SuperShroom63|SuperShroom63]] ([[User talk:SuperShroom63|talk]]) 20:51, 16 March 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Pokémon Battle Trozei Info==<br /> <br /> I noticed there's no side game data for Pokémon Battle Trozei in any Pokémon page, so I was going to add the locations where Pokémon can be found in the game. I started with Bulbasaur and tried to add the location where it is found, but it doesn't work.[[User:TepiGreninja|TepiGreninja]] ([[User talk:TepiGreninja|talk]]) 23:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> :Since it was a new game, it may be a while before it will work in the side game section. The location pages are currently works in progress in a user's userspace at the moment, and once they're set to go, they'll be incorporated into the mainspace. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 23:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This goes for every Pokemon, but Bulbasaur is the first so ==<br /> <br /> Why aren't the X/Y sprites animated? I think it just seems redundant when Smogon and tons of other websites have the animated sprites. Is it a hardware thing considering GIFs don't play correctly on some devices?<br /> [[User:SuperLuigi9624|SuperLuigi9624]] ([[User talk:SuperLuigi9624|talk]]) 00:08, 30 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> :It's because the animated models have not been uploaded yet, just like how most of the animated BW/B2W2 sprites have not been uploaded yet.--[[User:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#AB2813&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C87365&quot;&gt;orce&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Force Fire|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#26649C&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#729ABF&quot;&gt;ire&lt;/span&gt;]] 03:50, 30 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::If I recall there was more to it then just that, but you'd have to ask Kogs as to what the reason was. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 04:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Correction ==<br /> <br /> A &lt;nowiki&gt;&quot;&amp;mdash;&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt; used in moves list destroys moves segregation.--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 19:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> :What do you mean by that? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::I think he means that the dashes are breaking the sorting. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 19:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::He might be right. I didn't upload it to Archives since it's not for any articles, but I put [http://oi61.tinypic.com/2hdcllx.jpg three different sorts] on Tinypic. The numbers are not even sorting in either case (left is unsorted, then increasing and decreasing in some order). So yes, the dash might need to be replaced for tables that sort, but what's interesting is that even the numbers are not sorting correctly (both sorts have 45 and 55 in that order, and 50, 90, 120, 80 in that order on opposite ends of the grid). There's nothing obvious in the code that should break it. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::Disregarding for the moment whether that's actually what Dominikololo meant...<br /> ::::It's not actually the fault of most individual tables. Almost ''everything'' sortable on this page actually has broken sorting after the first column. (I haven't checked much, but I'd wager you'd find the same on most other Pokemon pages.) If you try to edit and preview any individual section, the table sorts fine. But if you preview the whole page, most tables are broken still/again.<br /> ::::Somehow, it seems as if the tutoring table is screwing things up for everything else. Weirdly, it's the only one that sorts correctly when the whole page is rendered, but if you remove ''just'' the tutoring table, suddenly everything else sorts fine. (Removing other templates doesn't affect it; certainly not those after tutoring anyway.) From a brief look, I have no idea why any of the tutoring templates might be causing that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::Would making tutoring non-sortable lead to fixing the problem? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> ::::::Staff is aware and working on it. &lt;small&gt;[[User:Glik|glik]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Glik|glak]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:50, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> :::::::I've learned [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Clothing&amp;diff=2118422&amp;oldid=2118420 before] that sorting doesn't play nicely with colspan. I figured out how to make the tutor table play nicely with everything else, and it has to do with the colspan in the header, but I can't offer any real explanation as to why it works or why it was broken.<br /> :::::::In {{template|Learnlist/tutorh/6}}, replace: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;! colspan=&quot;4&quot; | &amp;nbsp;[[Pokémon games|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000;&quot;&gt;Game&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;<br /> :::::::with four lines of: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;! &amp;nbsp;[[Pokémon games|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000;&quot;&gt;Game&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.<br /> :::::::Obviously you can play with that solution a bit however you want, but that's the gist. You can easily test it by just going to a Pokemon page, editing the whole page (and if you preview at this point, you'll notice that other tables like the level-up moves don't sort right), and replace the {{template|Learnlist/tutorh/6}} call with its wiki code. (It doesn't matter that the colors don't match or that the last few columns are missing.) Then if you make the substitution I wrote above and preview the result, you'll notice that all tables now sort correctly.<br /> :::::::...Alternatively, just don't make the tutor table sortable at all (i.e., remove &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;class=&quot;sortable&quot;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:41, 12 June 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == TCG Pokédex Entries ==<br /> <br /> I'd like to start adding the TCG Pokédex entries to the Pokémon pages (one of the few things left on the to-do list), but I'm not entirely certain what template I should use. Maybe something like this?<br /> <br /> ====Pokédex entries====<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;roundy&quot; style=&quot;margin:auto; width: 90%; text-align:center; background: #DDDDDD; border: 1px solid gray&quot;<br /> |-<br /> ! colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;text-align:left&quot; |Bulbasaur<br /> |-<br /> ! Card<br /> ! Expansion<br /> ! #<br /> ! Entry<br /> |- style=&quot;background: #fff&quot;<br /> | {{TCG ID|Base Set|Bulbasaur|44}}<br /> | {{TCG|Base Set}}<br /> | 44/102<br /> | A strange seed was planted on its back at birth. Thus, a plant sprouted and now grows with this Pokémon.<br /> |- style=&quot;background: #fff&quot;<br /> | {{TCG ID|Dark Explorers|Bulbasaur|1}}<br /> | {{TCG|Dark Explorers}}<br /> | 1/108<br /> | For some time after its birth, it grows by gaining nourishment from the seed on its back.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> &lt;BR&gt;Please let me know how this should be properly formatted so we can start adding this section to the Pokémon pages. Thanks :)<br /> &lt;BR&gt;[[User:RetroKitty|RetroKitty]] ([[User talk:RetroKitty|talk]]) 05:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Trivia Fact ==<br /> <br /> Trivia Fact<br /> <br /> '''Chikorita is the first pure basic staged Grass-type starter Pokémon.'''<br /> <br /> [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:31, 12 May 2016 (UTC)</div>

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