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2011-02-16T13:22:55Z

Bttsstewart: /* Trivia */

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'''Renbu''' (Japanese: '''レンブ''' ''Renbu'') is a {{pkmn|master}} {{type2|Fighting}} {{pkmn|Trainer}} and member of the [[Unova]] [[Elite Four]].

==In the games==
In {{game|Black and White|s}}, Renbu appears as a member of the [[Elite Four]] of [[Unova]].

Renbu appears in {{un|Victory Road}} before [[Cheren]]'s rematch, at the cave exit of Victory Road.

===Pokémon===
=====Battle one (pre-[[National Pokédex]])=====
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=====[[Rematch|Battle two (post-National Pokédex)]]=====
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|gender=male
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|move2=Stone Edge|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
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===Sprites===
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|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fighting color dark}}; background: #{{fighting color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr BW Renbu.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fighting color dark}}; background: #{{fighting color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSRenbu.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Renbu's sprite from [[Generation V]]
| Renbu's VS sprite from [[Generation V]]
|}



==Trivia==
*Renbu is the only {{type2|Fighting}} specialist to never use {{p|Machop}}'s evolution family.
*When the player faces the [[Unova]] [[Elite Four]] for the first time, Renbu is the only member who has no dual-type Pokémon.

==Names==
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|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| レンブ ''Renbu''
| From 蓮霧 (レンブ) renbu, ''Syzygium samarangense'', commonly called wax apple. Also from 練武 ''renbu'', practice martial arts.
|}
{{-}}

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List of Pokémon with form differences

2011-02-08T13:38:34Z

Bttsstewart:

While there are {{numpkmn}} officially recognized [[Pokémon (species)|species of Pokémon]], with most members of an individual species looking relatively similar to one another, several Pokémon species have remarkable '''differences in appearance''' between members. At times, these differences are purely cosmetic, and have no bearing on the difference in the Pokémon's stats from another; however, several Pokémon not only differ in stats, but also type, depending on their form.

Among these are several [[legendary Pokémon]], whose unique forms can be changed between at will, and are spelled officially as "Formes". Many of the forms are known to have special names, while others do not, and are thus only named in [[fanon]]. In Generations II-IV, whichever form is encountered first will be the form displayed in the [[Pokédex]] by default; i.e., a player who encountered a West Sea Shellos would have it appear in the Pokédex by default, while one who encounters an East Sea Shellos first would see that Shellos appear in the Pokédex first. In Generation V, the form displayed in the Pokédex can be changed upon reaching [[Fukiyose City]], even to a {{Shiny}} form, if it has been encountered.

==Pokémon with differing forms==
===Pichu===
In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, an alternate form of {{p|Pichu}} will appear at [[Ilex Forest]] (but only if the player has a {{DL|List of Nintendo event Pokémon with in-game effects|Pikachu-colored Pichu}} in their party). This Pichu has a tuft of hair on the end of its left ear, and is known as the [[Spiky-eared Pichu]]. Spiky-eared Pichu's [[Pokéathlon]] [[performance]] stats are different than a normal Pichu's. It is always a female.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{electric color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" width="225px"
|- align="center"
| Normal [[File:Spr 4h 172.png]]
| Spiky-eared [[File:Spr 4h 172N.png]]
|}

===Unown===
{{p|Unown}} was the first known Pokémon which had visual differences between individuals of the species. From the species' debut in [[Generation II]], each Unown would have an appearance similar to that of one of the twenty-six letters of the {{wp|Latin alphabet}}. In [[Generation III]], two more forms were added, corresponding to the {{wp|question mark}} and {{wp|exclamation point}}.

A special [[Unown Dex]], an upgrade to the Pokédex that was developed by the researchers at the [[Ruins of Alph]] to record the different forms of Unown, was available in [[Generation II]] after the player had caught several Unown. This was superseded in {{v2|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} by the [[Unown Report]], obtainable after the player completes the first tile puzzle in the [[Ruins of Alph]].

Unown's form is determined in [[Generation III]] based on its [[personality value]]. Though the form has no bearing on [[base stats]], ! and ? Unown have different [[performance]] stats than their alphabetical brethren.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{psychic color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;"
|- align="center"
| A [[File:201A.png]]
| B [[File:201B.png]]
| C [[File:201C.png]]
| D [[File:201D.png]]
| E [[File:201E.png]]
| F [[File:201F.png]]
| G [[File:201G.png]]
|- align="center"
| H [[File:201H.png]]
| I [[File:201I.png]]
| J [[File:201J.png]]
| K [[File:201K.png]]
| L [[File:201L.png]]
| M [[File:201M.png]]
| N [[File:201N.png]]
|- align="center"
| O [[File:201O.png]]
| P [[File:201P.png]]
| Q [[File:201Q.png]]
| R [[File:201R.png]]
| S [[File:201S.png]]
| T [[File:201T.png]]
| U [[File:201U.png]]
|- align="center"
| V [[File:201V.png]]
| W [[File:201W.png]]
| X [[File:201X.png]]
| Y [[File:201Y.png]]
| Z [[File:201Z.png]]
| ! [[File:201Exclamation.png]]
| ? [[File:201Question.png]]
|}

===Spinda===
Like Unown, {{p|Spinda}} has many visual variations in its species, all involving the placement of its spots. Like Unown's letter, the spot placement is generated based on the individual's [[personality value]], and likewise, has no effect on the Pokémon's stats. Unlike Unown, however, these differences are rarely repeated, as the calculation uses the entirety of the personality value—a number that can [[Personality value#Spinda's spots|range]] from [[Spinda (Pokémon)#Trivia|zero to 4,294,967,295]] (232 - 1).

{| align="center" cellspacing="0"
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundytop|10px}} width: 100px;" | RSFRLG
| width="1px" |
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundytop|10px}} width: 100px;" | E
| width="1px" |
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundytop|10px}} width: 100px;" | DPPtHGSS
| width="1px" |
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundytop|10px}} width: 100px;" | BW
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundybottom|10px}}" | [[File:Spr 3r 327.png]]
|
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundybottom|10px}}" | [[File:Spr 3e 327.gif]]
|
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundybottom|10px}}" | [[File:Spr 4d 327.png]]
|
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; {{roundybottom|10px}}" | [[File:327.png]]
|}

===Castform===
{{p|Castform}}'s first appearance at [[Hoenn]]'s [[Weather Institute]] in [[Generation III]] brought about the concept of interchangeable forms. Unlike other Pokémon, an individual Castform's form is not static, and will change, due to its [[ability]], with the [[weather]].

Normally, Castform takes on a rather plain appearance, with a gray body. In this form, it is of the {{type2|Normal}}; as could be expected, it is in this form that it is at its least effective.

When Castform is exposed to [[Weather conditions#Intense sunlight|bright rays of sunlight]], it changes its form to a more sunny appearance, and becomes a {{type2|Fire}} (Sunny Form). In [[Weather conditions#Heavy rain|rain]], Castform becomes more like a raindrop, and becomes a {{type2|Water}} (Rainy Form). Finally, in [[Weather conditions#Hailstorm|hail]], Castform takes the form of a snowy cloud, and becomes an {{type2|Ice}} (Snowy Form).
It will not transform in any other [[weather conditions]].

Castform's [[stats]] do not change between any of these forms.

{| align="center" style="background: #FFFFFF; -moz-border-radius: 10px;"
|- align="center"
| width="25%" style="background: #{{normal color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | Normal [[File:351.png]] {{typecolor|Normal}}
| width="25%" style="background: #{{fire color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | Sunny Form [[File:351S.png]] {{typecolor|Fire}}
| width="25%" style="background: #{{water color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | Rainy Form [[File:351R.png]] {{typecolor|Water}}
| width="25%" style="background: #{{ice color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | Snowy Form [[File:351H.png]] {{typecolor|Ice}}
|}

===Deoxys===
{{p|Deoxys}}, the final Pokémon in the [[National Pokédex]] as of [[Generation III]], was the first known Pokémon whose [[base stats]] and [[move]] compatibility differed, as well as its appearance, depending on its form. First introduced in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'', Deoxys was revealed to have three alternating forms, while a fourth was added later, with the release of {{game|Emerald}}. Like its base stats, its Pokéathlon performance varies depending on its form.

Deoxys's forms are game-specific in [[Generation III]], but can be changed at will in [[Generation IV]] by inspecting the meteorites in [[Veilstone City]] in [[Sinnoh]] and {{rt|3|Kanto}} in [[Kanto]].

Deoxys's Normal Forme is the default form it takes, as well as the form it appears in in {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}. In this form, its stats are more balanced, though it is notably far more offensive than it is defensive.

It is in this form that Deoxys will be found in the wild on [[Birth Island]], though it will transform after it has been captured, depending on its [[Generation III]] game version.

The Attack Forme is the appearance that Deoxys takes on in {{game|FireRed}}, and it learns noticeably more powerful moves while in this form. Its {{stat|Attack}} and {{stat|Special Attack}} stats have been maxed out, making it the most powerful of all Pokémon in both aspects, while its {{stat|Speed}} remains the same as its default form. Its defensive stats, however, take a harsh blow, lowering so much that it is only more powerful in {{stat|Defense}} than seven Pokémon (tied with three others), and is tied for last place in {{stat|Special Defense}} with five others, including {{p|Magikarp}}.

In {{game|LeafGreen}}, the counterpart version to FireRed, Deoxys takes on a counterpart form to the Attack Forme, the Defense Forme. Whereas the Attack Forme had incredible offensive power (and incredibly weak defensive capabilities), Defense Forme inverts this somewhat, having mediocre offensive power (and a lower Speed stat) and heightened {{stat|Defense}} and {{stat|Special Defense}}. This form of Deoxys learns moves more attuned to attrition than to elimination, raising its already high defenses to protect against opponents' moves rather than attack them before they can attack.

By far the quickest of all Pokémon, Deoxys in its Speed Forme learns many moves that can guarantee that it will strike before any other Pokémon can. Though it can still be outsped by a Pokémon with {{a|Speed Boost}}, Speed Forme Deoxys takes the uneven nature of the stats of Deoxys's other forms and balances them out, keeping it from hitting too hard, but at the same time, preventing it from being hit too hard itself.

{|align="center"
|
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|
{{Compare|name=Deoxys|forme=Attack Forme|type=Psychic|ndex=386A|ab=Pressure|how={{color2|000000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed}}|HP=50|Attack=180|Defense=20|SpAtk=180|SpDef=20|Speed=150}}
|
{{Compare|name=Deoxys|forme=Defense Forme|type=Psychic|ndex=386D|ab=Pressure|how={{color2|000000|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|LeafGreen}}|HP=50|Attack=70|Defense=160|SpAtk=70|SpDef=160|Speed=90}}
|
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|}

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|- align="center"
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| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | [[Image:386.png]] {{color|703e4e|Normal Forme}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | [[Image:386A.png]] {{color|703e4e|Attack Forme}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | [[Image:386D.png]] {{color|703e4e|Defense Forme}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color}}" | [[Image:386S.png]] {{color|703e4e|Speed Forme}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
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|- align="center"
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|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|9}}
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" | {{mcolor|Night Shade|{{ghost color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|17}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Teleport|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
| colspan="1" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Double Team|{{normal color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|25}}
| colspan="1" style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Knock Off|{{dark color dark}}}}
| colspan="1" style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Taunt|{{dark color dark}}}}''
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Knock Off|{{dark color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|33}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Pursuit|{{dark color dark}}}}
| colspan="1" style="background:#{{ground color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Spikes|{{dark color dark}}}}''
| colspan="1" style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | {{mcolor|Pursuit|{{dark color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|41}}
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Psychic|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|49}}
| colspan="1" style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Snatch|{{dark color dark}}}}''
| colspan="1" style="background:#{{fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Superpower|{{dark color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Snatch|{{dark color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|57}}
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Psycho Shift|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|65}}
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Zen Headbutt|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|73}}
| rowspan="2" colspan="2" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Cosmic Power|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Iron Defense|{{steel color dark}}}}''
| rowspan="2" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Agility|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Amnesia|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|81}}
| colspan="1" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Recover|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| colspan="1" style="background:#{{electric color light}}" | {{mcolor|Zap Cannon|{{electric color dark}}}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Recover|{{normal color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|89}}
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Psycho Boost|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center"
| rowspan="2" align="right" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|97}}
| rowspan="2" colspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Hyper Beam|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}" | {{mcolor|Counter|{{fighting color dark}}}}
| rowspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|ExtremeSpeed|{{normal color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | {{mcolor|Mirror Coat|{{psychic color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#{{fighting color dark}}; color: #{{fighting color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;"| Moves in '''bold''' are {{color2|D67873|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

===Burmy and Wormadam===
Both {{p|Burmy}} and its female evolution, {{p|Wormadam}}, have three separate forms, being the first Pokémon whose evolution depends on a specific form. Like others, Burmy can change form freely, depending on where it last participated in a battle actively ([[Exp. Share]] maintains a Burmy's form if it does not leave the [[Poké Ball]]); however, Wormadam's form is permanent.

If a Burmy last battled in a grassy outside area, hatched from an egg whose Wormadam parent was in the Plant Cloak, or hatched from an egg that had {{p|Mothim}} and {{p|Ditto}} as parents, it will be in its basic state, the Plant Cloak. This form of Burmy is covered in leaves and twigs. If a female, it will evolve into Wormadam in its Plant Cloak, which is a {{2t|Bug|Grass}} Pokémon.

If a Burmy last battled on a beach or in a cave, or hatched from an egg whose Wormadam parent was in the Sandy Cloak, it will be in the Sandy Cloak. This form of Burmy is covered in sand and rocks. If a female, it will evolve into Wormadam in its Sandy Cloak, which is a {{2t|Bug|Ground}} Pokémon.

If a Burmy last battled inside of a building, or hatched from an egg whose Wormadam parent was in the Trash Cloak, it will be in the Trash Cloak. This form of Burmy is covered in pink {{wp|building insulation|insulation}}. If a female, it will evolve into Wormadam in its Trash Cloak, which is a {{2t|Bug|Steel}} Pokémon.

A Wormadam's stats and move compatibility vary with her form, in addition to type and appearance. The cloak a male Burmy takes on before evolution makes no difference, as it sheds it upon evolution into {{p|Mothim}}.

{| align="center" style="background: #FFFFFF; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" width="375px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" style="background: #{{grass color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | Plant Cloak [[File:412.png]] {{typecolor|Bug}}
| width="33%" style="background: #{{ground color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | Sandy Cloak [[File:412G.png]] {{typecolor|Bug}}
| width="33%" style="background: #{{steel color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | Trash Cloak [[File:412S.png]] {{typecolor|Bug}}
|}

{|align="center"
|
{{Compare|name=Wormadam|forme=Plant Cloak|type=Bug|type2=Grass|ndex=413|ab=Anticipation|how={{color2|000000|Evolution|Evolve}} after battle on grassy terrain|HP=60|Attack=59|Defense=85|SpAtk=79|SpDef=105|Speed=36}}
|
{{Compare|name=Wormadam|forme=Sandy Cloak|type=Bug|type2=Ground|ndex=413G|ab=Anticipation|how={{color2|000000|Evolution|Evolve}} after battle on rocky terrain|HP=60|Attack=79|Defense=105|SpAtk=59|SpDef=85|Speed=36}}
|
{{Compare|name=Wormadam|forme=Trash Cloak|type=Bug|type2=Steel|ndex=413S|ab=Anticipation|how={{color2|000000|Evolution|Evolve}} after battle inside a building|HP=60|Attack=69|Defense=95|SpAtk=69|SpDef=95|Speed=36}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{bug color dark}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color2|{{bug color light}}|Level|Lv.}}
| style="background:#{{grass color}}" | [[Image:413.png]] {{color|703e4e|Plant Cloak}} {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Grass}}
| style="background:#{{ground color}}" | [[Image:413G.png]] {{color|703e4e|Sandy Cloak}} {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
| style="background:#{{steel color}}" | [[Image:413S.png]] {{color|703e4e|Trash Cloak}} {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|Start}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Tackle|{{normal color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|10}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Protect|{{normal color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|15}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{bug color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Bug Bite|{{bug color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|20}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Hidden Power|{{normal color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|23}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | {{mcolor|Confusion|{{psychic color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|26}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Razor Leaf|{{grass color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{rock color light}}" | {{mcolor|Rock Blast|{{rock color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Mirror Shot|{{steel color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|29}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Growth|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Harden|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Metal Sound|{{steel color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|32}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | {{mcolor|Psybeam|{{psychic color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|35}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Captivate|{{normal color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|38}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Flail|{{normal color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|41}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Attract|{{normal color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|44}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | {{mcolor|Psychic|{{psychic color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{bug color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|47}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Leaf Storm|{{grass color dark}}}}'''
| style="background:#{{rock color light}}" | {{mcolor|Fissure|{{rock color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Iron Head|{{steel color dark}}}}'''
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#{{fighting color dark}}; color: #{{fighting color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;"| Moves in '''bold''' are {{color2|D67873|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

===Cherrim===
Like Castform, {{p|Cherrim}} changes its appearance depending on the weather, though not with all kinds. It will be in its Sunshine form in [[Weather_effect#Intense_sunlight|intense sunlight]] and its Overcast form in any other weather. Due to its {{a|Flower Gift|ability}}, its {{stat|Attack}} and {{stat|Special Defense}} will also increase in its Sunshine form. Unlike Castform, its type does not change.

{| align="center" style="background: #FFFFFF; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" width="225px"
|- align="center"
| width="50%" style="background: #{{grass color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | Overcast form [[File:421.png]] {{typecolor|Grass}}
| width="50%" style="background: #{{fire color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | Sunshine form [[File:421S.png]] {{typecolor|Grass}}
|}

===Shellos and Gastrodon===
Another [[Sinnoh]]-native [[evolution]] family, {{p|Shellos}} and {{p|Gastrodon}} also have a difference, depending on, this time, whether the Pokémon in question was caught east or west of [[Mt. Coronet]]. Like others before, neither form can change to the other, but unlike other multiple-form Pokémon, the appearance of the mother is the determinant to the appearance of the hatched Pokémon.

Both West Sea Shellos and Gastrodon take on a pink appearance, while their East Sea cousins take on a blue hue. There is also a slight difference in bodily appearance depending on the form.

{| align="center" style="background: #FFFFFF; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" width="225px"
|- align="center"
| width="50%" style="background: #{{psychic color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | West Sea [[File:422.png]] {{typecolor|Water}} [[File:423.png]] {{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
| width="50%" style="background: #{{water color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | East Sea [[File:422E.png]] {{typecolor|Water}} [[File:423E.png]] {{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Ground}}
|}

===Rotom===
In August of 2008, shortly before the Japanese release of {{game|Platinum}}, five silhouetted Pokémon were shown, with a statement that indicated that these Pokémon would be in the game. Days before the game's release, it was revealed that these Pokémon were alternate forms of {{p|Rotom}}.

In each of these forms, Rotom has possessed a different {{wp|household appliance}}, and each has its own special [[move]]. Heat Rotom, which has possessed a {{wp|microwave oven}}, knows {{m|Overheat}} and is {{2t|Electric|Fire}}; Wash Rotom, which has possessed a {{wp|washing machine}}, knows {{m|Hydro Pump}} and is {{2t|Electric|Water}}; Frost Rotom, which has possessed a {{wp|refrigerator}}, knowns {{m|Blizzard}} and is {{2t|Electric|Ice}}; Fan Rotom, which has possessed a {{wp|mechanical fan|rotary fan}}, knows {{m|Air Slash}} and is {{2t|Electric|Flying}}; and Mow Rotom, which has possessed a {{wp|lawn mower}}, knows {{m|Leaf Storm}} and is {{2t|Electric|Grass}}.

Until [[Generation V]], all forms of Rotom were {{2t|Electric|Ghost}}-type. All alternate forms have the same base stat total, which is higher than that of normal Rotom (except normal Rotom has a higher base stat in speed).

{|align="center"
|
{{Compare|name=Rotom|forme=Normal Rotom|type=Electric|type2=Ghost|ndex=479|ab=Levitate|HP=50|Attack=50|Defense=77|SpAtk=95|SpDef=77|Speed=91}}
|
{{Compare|name=Rotom|forme=Heat Rotom|type=Electric|type2=Fire|ndex=479O|ab=Levitate|HP=50|Attack=65|Defense=107|SpAtk=105|SpDef=107|Speed=86}}
|
{{Compare|name=Rotom|forme=Wash Rotom|type=Electric|type2=Water|ndex=479W|ab=Levitate|HP=50|Attack=65|Defense=107|SpAtk=105|SpDef=107|Speed=86}}
|}
{|align="center"
|
{{Compare|name=Rotom|forme=Frost Rotom|type=Electric|type2=Ice|ndex=479R|ab=Levitate|HP=50|Attack=65|Defense=107|SpAtk=105|SpDef=107|Speed=86}}
|
{{Compare|name=Rotom|forme=Fan Rotom|type=Electric|type2=Flying|ndex=479F|ab=Levitate|HP=50|Attack=65|Defense=107|SpAtk=105|SpDef=107|Speed=86}}
|
{{Compare|name=Rotom|forme=Mow Rotom|type=Electric|type2=Grass|ndex=479L|ab=Levitate|HP=50|Attack=65|Defense=107|SpAtk=105|SpDef=107|Speed=86}}
|}

===Giratina===
{{p|Giratina}}, much like {{p|Deoxys}} had been earlier, was announced to have an alternate form in the then-upcoming ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]'' in February, 2008. One of the two forms is the familiar form to players of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, designated as Altered Forme Giratina, while the other is a more serpentine form that was not previously known, the Origin Forme.

The Origin Forme is known as Giratina's natural form, which it appears in in its home of the [[Reverse World]] (in the anime) and [[Distortion World]] (in the games). If it travels to the [[Pokémon world]], it assumes its Altered Forme. Both Formes appear in {{game|Platinum}}, where Giratina is captured in the [[Distortion World]] in its more offense-oriented Origin Forme, and will revert to the defensive Altered Forme outside of this area unless it holds the [[Type-enhancing item#Griseous Orb|Griseous Orb]].

{|align="center"
|
{{Compare|name=Giratina|forme=Altered Forme|type=Ghost|type2=Dragon|ndex=487|ab=Pressure|how={{color2|000000|Pokémon world}} no {{color2|000000|Type-enhancing item#Griseous Orb|Griseous Orb}}|HP=150|Attack=100|Defense=120|SpAtk=100|SpDef=120|Speed=90}}

|
{{Compare|name=Giratina|forme=Origin Forme|type=Ghost|type2=Dragon|ndex=487O|ab=Levitate|how={{color2|000000|Distortion World}} or with {{color2|000000|Type-enhancing item#Griseous Orb|Griseous Orb}}|HP=150|Attack=120|Defense=100|SpAtk=120|SpDef=100|Speed=90}}
|}

===Shaymin===
As with Giratina, an alternate form of the event Pokémon {{p|Shaymin}} was announced to appear in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]'', and is, in fact, the titular sky warrior. This new Sky Forme of Shaymin, with the previously-known form now called the Land Forme, has a completely altered appearance and, rather than being a pure-{{type2|Grass}}, is now {{2t|Grass|Flying}}.

Like Giratina and Deoxys's transformations are activated by an external source, Shaymin's is activated by contact with a {{OBP|Gracidea|flower}}, whose bouquets look almost like a sleeping Shaymin.

A Shaymin in its Sky Forme will revert to its Land Forme if {{status|frozen}} or during {{DL|Time|night}}.

It is interesting to note that upon changing forms, Shaymin also changes its [[cry]]. It is the only Pokémon to do so.

{|align="center"
|
{{Compare|name=Shaymin|forme=Land Forme|type=Grass|ndex=492|ab=Natural Cure|how={{color2|000000|Time|Nighttime}}|HP=100|Attack=100|Defense=100|SpAtk=100|SpDef=100|Speed=100}}
|
{{Compare|name=Shaymin|forme=Sky Forme|type=Grass|type2=Flying|ndex=492S|ab=Serene Grace|how={{color2|000000|Gracidea (flower)|Gracidea}}|HP=100|Attack=103|Defense=75|SpAtk=120|SpDef=75|Speed=127}}
|}

{| align="center" style="background: #272727; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #525252"
|- align="center"
! style="background:#{{grass color dark}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color2|{{grass color light}}|Level|Lv.}}
| style="background:#{{grass color}}" | [[Image:492.png]] {{color|703e4e|Land Forme}} {{typecolor|Grass}}
| style="background:#{{flying color}}" | [[Image:492S.png]] {{color|703e4e|Sky Forme}} {{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Flying}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|Start}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Growth|{{normal color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|10}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Magical Leaf|{{grass color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|19}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Leech Seed|{{grass color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|28}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Synthesis|{{grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Quick Attack|{{normal color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|37}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Sweet Scent|{{normal color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|46}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Natural Gift|{{normal color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|55}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Worry Seed|{{grass color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|64}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Aromatherapy|{{grass color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Air Slash|{{flying color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|73}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Energy Ball|{{grass color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|82}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Sweet Kiss|{{normal color dark}}}}''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|91}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Healing Wish|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Leaf Storm|{{grass color dark}}}}'''
|- align="center"
| align="right" style="background:#{{grass color dark}}" | {{color|C6B7F5|100}}
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Seed Flare|{{grass color dark}}}}'''
|-
| colspan="5" style="background:#{{fighting color dark}}; color: #{{fighting color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px;"| Moves in '''bold''' are {{color2|D67873|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

===Arceus===
{{p|Arceus}} has eighteen different forms, each with a slightly different coloration, which correspond to the eighteen different [[elemental types]].

Arceus's transformation between these Formes is brought about by its held item: if it is holding a [[plate]], it draws its type from that plate as stated in [[Sinnoh myths|Sinnoh's mythology]], while remaining {{type2|Normal}} when not holding a plate or holding any non-plate item.

The {{type2|???}} Forme of Arceus exists only in Generation IV, and is currently unavailable in any legitimate manner, as there is no plate to turn it to this type. Educated speculation attributes this to an attempt made by Game Freak as an error handler. This is supported by the fact that there is no ???-type sprite data for Arceus in the Generation V games, because the ???-type was removed entirely from Generation V.

While its base stats remain constant despite its changing type, its Pokéathlon performance changes slightly.

{| align="center" style="background: #FFFFFF; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" cellpadding="4"
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{normal color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Normal}} [[File:493.png]]
| style="background: #{{fire color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Fire}} [[File:493-Fire.png]]
| style="background: #{{water color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Water}} [[File:493-Water.png]]
| style="background: #{{electric color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Electric}} [[File:493-Electric.png]]
| style="background: #{{grass color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Grass}} [[File:493-Grass.png]]
| style="background: #{{ice color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Ice}} [[File:493-Ice.png]]
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{fighting color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Fighting}} [[File:493-Fighting.png]]
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Poison}} [[File:493-Poison.png]]
| style="background: #{{ground color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Ground}} [[File:493-Ground.png]]
| style="background: #{{flying color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Flying}} [[File:493-Flying.png]]
| style="background: #{{psychic color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Psychic}} [[File:493-Psychic.png]]
| style="background: #{{bug color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Bug}} [[File:493-Bug.png]]
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{rock color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Rock}} [[File:493-Rock.png]]
| style="background: #{{ghost color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Ghost}} [[File:493-Ghost.png]]
| style="background: #{{dragon color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Dragon}} [[File:493-Dragon.png]]
| style="background: #{{dark color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Dark}} [[File:493-Dark.png]]
| style="background: #{{steel color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|Steel}} [[File:493-Steel.png]]
| style="background: #{{unknown color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px;" | {{typecolor|???}} [[File:493-Unknown.png]]
|}

===Basculin===
Similar to {{p|Shellos}} and {{p|Gastrodon}}, {{p|Basculin}} can appear in two different forms — the Red-Striped Form and the Blue-Striped Form. The Red Stripe form sports a red stripe, with wide eyes and spiky fins, while the other has a blue stripe, with squinted eyes and smooth fins. Its color depends on the version it is found in, with the Red-Striped Form appearing in {{game|Black and White|s|Black}} and the Blue-Striped Form appearing in {{game|Black and White|s|White}}. However, rare instances of the other color can be found in the game by {{m|surf}}ing on or [[fishing]] in swirling water.

Wild Red-Striped Basculin have a 5% chance of holding a [[DeepSeaTooth]] while wild Blue-Striped Basculin have a 5% chance of holding a [[DeepSeaScale]].

{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #FFFFFF;" width="100px"
|- align="center"
| class="roundy" width="50%" style="background: #{{red color light}};" | Red-Striped [[File:550.png]] {{typecolor|Water}}
| class="roundy" width="50%" style="background: #{{blue color light}};" | Blue-Striped [[File:550B.png]] {{typecolor|Water}}
|}

===Darmanitan===
If {{p|Darmanitan}} has {{a|Daruma Mode}} as its ability, it changes into Daruma mode when its HP drops to below half. Darmanitan in Daruma mode is blue in color, has Psychic as a secondary type, inverts its Attack and Special Attack from normal Darmanitan, and has boosted defenses and lowered Speed.

{|align="center"
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{{Compare|name=Darmanitan|forme=Normal|type=Fire|ndex=555|ab=Daruma Mode|HP=105|Attack=140|Defense=55|SpAtk=30|SpDef=55|Speed=95}}
|
{{Compare|name=Darmanitan|forme=Daruma Mode|type=Fire|type2=Psychic|ndex=555D|ab=Daruma Mode|HP=105|Attack=30|Defense=105|SpAtk=140|SpDef=105|Speed=55}}
|}

===Deerling and Sawsbuck===
{{p|Deerling}} changes its appearance depending on the [[Seasons|season]], each of which lasts a month in real time, rather than three. During spring, its coat will be pink; during summer, green; during autumn, orange; and during winter, brown.

{{p|Sawsbuck}}, Deerling's evolved form, also differs with the season, with flowers in its antlers during spring; a full set of leaves in its antlers in summer; brown and wilting leaves in the autumn; and white antlers along with sections of thicker, white fur in the winter.

{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #FFFFFF;" width="225px"
|- align="center"
| class="roundy" width="25%" style="background: #{{spring color}};" | Spring Form [[File:585.png]] {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Grass}} [[File:586.png]] {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Grass}}
| class="roundy" width="25%" style="background: #{{summer color}};" | Summer Form [[File:585S.png]] {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Grass}} [[File:586S.png]] {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Grass}}
| class="roundy" width="25%" style="background: #{{autumn color}};" | Autumn Form [[File:585A.png]] {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Grass}} [[File:586A.png]] {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Grass}}
| class="roundy" width="25%" style="background: #{{winter color}};" | Winter Form [[File:585W.png]] {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Grass}} [[File:586W.png]] {{typecolor|Normal}}{{typecolor|Grass}}
|}

===Meloetta===
{{p|Meloetta}}, if the move {{m|Ancient Song}}, which it can learn from a man in [[Castelia City]], is used in battle it will change between its Step and Voice Formes, which changes its typing from {{2t|Normal|Psychic}} to {{2t|Normal|Fighting}}.
{|align="center"
|
{{Compare|name=Meloetta|forme=Voice Forme|type=Normal|type2=Psychic|ndex=648|ab=Serene Grace|how=Use {{mcolor|Ancient Song|000000}}|HP=100|Attack=77|Defense=77|SpAtk=128|SpDef=128|Speed=90}}
|
{{Compare|name=Meloetta|forme=Step Forme|type=Normal|type2=Fighting|ndex=648F|ab=Serene Grace|how=Use {{mcolor|Ancient Song|000000}}|HP=100|Attack=128|Defense=90|SpAtk=77|SpDef=77|Speed=128}}
|}

===Genesect===
{{p|Genesect}} has five different Formes, each depending on whether or not a Cassette is held and which Cassette it is. However, this does not change Genesect's type, but rather the type of the move {{m|Techno Buster}}. If it lacks a Cassette, it will be {{type2|Normal}}. The four Cassettes the can be equipped are the Lightning, Blaze, Freeze, and Aqua Cassettes, which make the move {{t|Electric}}, {{t|Fire}}, {{t|Ice}}, and {{type2|Water}}, respectively. Otherwise, the change is purely cosmetic, with the physical difference being the ammo cartridge in Genesect's cannon.

{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #FFFFFF;" width="225px"
|- align="center"
| class="roundy" width="25%" style="background: #C6C6A7;" | Normal Forme [[File:649.png]] {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
| class="roundy" width="25%" style="background: #FAE078;" | Lightning Cassette [[File:649Y.png]] {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
| class="roundy" width="25%" style="background: #F5AC78;" | Blaze Cassette [[File:649R.png]] {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
| class="roundy" width="25%" style="background: #BCE6E6;" | Freeze Cassette [[File:649W.png]] {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
| class="roundy" width="25%" style="background: #9DB7F5;" | Aqua Cassette [[File:649B.png]] {{typecolor|Bug}}{{typecolor|Steel}}
|}

===Other Pokémon===
* The [[Generation I]] [[Pokédex]] entries for {{p|Arbok}} state that the markings on its belly differ between [[region]]s. The pattern has differed in sprites; however, this is dependent on the game the Pokémon is in, rather than the game in which it was caught.
* {{p|Shellder}} also changes between bivalve and spiral-shaped variations depending on whether or not it is attached to a {{p|Slowpoke}}'s {{p|Slowking|head}} or {{p|Slowbro|tail}}.
* From [[Generation IV]] onward, there are many Pokémon that [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|appear differently]] as a result of their [[gender]], some drastically, some not.
* [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]] was a {{pkmn2|Shadow}} {{p|Lugia}} that was so thoroughly corrupted that its appearance changed.
* [[Primal Dialga|A Dialga]] also changed its appearance when it lost control of time in {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness}}.
* {{p|Mantyke}}'s Pokédex entry in Pearl says that the special patterns on its back vary from region to region. Unlike Arbok, however, its backsprite shows no difference between Sinnoh and Johto games, as Mantyke is not found wild in Johto; however, in {{game|Black and White|s}}, where it is found, its "eyes" are slightly farther apart.
* The {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} Pokédex entries for {{p|Weezing}} state that triplet forms have been discovered; however, this variant has not been shown in any Pokémon media. A third section of Weezing (without a face) appears on every Weezing seen so far.
* In ''[[DP043|Malice In Wonderland]]'', a {{p|Mismagius}} merged with a {{p|Rayquaza}} illusion it created, with the result appearing to be a form difference of Rayquaza.

==Other form differences==
''There are several other differences that Pokémon have. For detailed descriptions of them, see {{cat|Variant Pokémon}}.''

==In other languages==
===Giratina===
====Origin Forme====
{{langtable
|color={{ghost color}}|bordercolor={{dragon color}}
|fr_ca=Forme Originelle
|fr_eu=Forme Originelle
|de=Urform
|it=Forma Originale
|es_la=Forma Origen
|es_eu=Forma Origen}}

====Altered Forme====
{{langtable
|color={{ghost color}}|bordercolor={{dragon color}}
|fr_ca=Forme Alternative
|fr_eu=Forme Alternative
|de=Wandelform
|it=Forma Alterata
|es_la=Forma Modificada
|es_eu=Forma Modificada}}

===Shaymin===
====Land Forme====
{{langtable
|color={{grass color}}|bordercolor={{grass color dark}}
|fr_ca=Forme Terrestre
|fr_eu=Forme Terrestre
|de=Landform
|it=Forma Terra
|es_la=Forma Tierra
|es_eu=Forma Tierra}}

====Sky Forme====
{{langtable
|color={{grass color}}|bordercolor={{flying color}}
|fr_ca=Forme Céleste
|fr_eu=Forme Céleste
|de=Zenitform
|it=Forma Cielo
|es_la=Forma Cielo
|es_eu=Forma Cielo}}

===Rotom===
====Heat Rotom====
{{langtable
|color={{electric color}}|bordercolor={{fire color}}
|fr_ca=Motisma Chaleur
|fr_eu=Motisma Chaleur
|de=Hitze-Rotom
|it=Rotom Calore}}

====Wash Rotom====
{{langtable
|color={{electric color}}|bordercolor={{water color}}
|fr_ca=Motisma Lavage
|fr_eu=Motisma Lavage
|de=Wasch-Rotom
|it=Rotom Lavaggio}}

====Fan Rotom====
{{langtable
|color={{electric color}}|bordercolor={{flying color}}
|fr_ca=Motisma Hélice
|fr_eu=Motisma Hélice
|de=Wirbel-Rotom
|it=Rotom Vortice}}

====Mow Rotom====
{{langtable
|color={{electric color}}|bordercolor={{grass color}}
|fr_ca=Motisma Tonte
|fr_eu=Motisma Tonte
|de=Schneid-Rotom
|it=Rotom Taglio}}

====Frost Rotom====
{{langtable
|color={{electric color}}|bordercolor={{ice color}}
|fr_ca=Motisma Froid
|fr_eu=Motisma Froid
|de=Frost-Rotom
|it=Rotom Gelo}}

===Basculin===
====Red-Striped Form====
{{langtable
|color={{water color}}|bordercolor={{red color}}
|es_eu=Forma Raya Roja
|fr_ca=Motif Rouge
|fr_eu=Motif Rouge
|de=Rotlinige Form
|it=Forma Linearossa}}

====Blue-Striped Form====
{{langtable
|color={{water color}}|bordercolor={{blue color}}
|es_eu=Forma Raya Azul
|fr_ca=Motif Bleu
|fr_eu=Motif Bleu
|de=Blaulinige Form
|it=Forma Lineablu}}

===Deerling===
====Spring Form====
{{langtable
|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{grass color}}
|es_eu=Forma Primavera
|fr_ca=Forme Printemps
|fr_eu=Forme Printemps
|de=Frühlingsform
|it=Forma Primavera}}

====Summer Form====
{{langtable
|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{grass color}}
|es_eu=Forma Verano
|fr_ca=Forme Été
|fr_eu=Forme Été
|de=Sommerform
|it=Forma Estate}}

====Autumn Form====
{{langtable
|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{grass color}}
|es_eu=Forma Otoño
|fr_ca=Forme Automne
|fr_eu=Forme Automne
|de=Herbstform
|it=Forma Autunno}}

====Winter Form====
{{langtable
|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{grass color}}
|es_eu=Forma Invierno
|fr_ca=Forme Hiver
|fr_eu=Forme Hiver
|de=Winterform
|it=Forma Inverno}}

[[Category:Game mechanics]]
[[Category:Pokémon with different forms|*]]
[[Category:Variant Pokémon]]

[[de:Formwandler]]
[[fr:Forme]]
[[ja:フォルム]]

Blaine

2011-01-27T13:31:43Z

Bttsstewart: /* Trivia */

{{CharInfobox|
color={{fire color}} |
corecolor={{fire color light}} |
bordercolor={{fire color dark}} |
name=Blaine |
jname=カツラ |
tmname=Katsura |
slogan=yes |
sloganline=The Hotheaded Quiz Master! |
image=HeartGold SoulSilver Blaine.png |
size=150px |
caption=Art from ''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'' |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Cinnabar Island]] |
region=[[Kanto]] |
relatives=None |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]] |
game=yes |
|generation={{Gen|I}}, {{Gen|II}}, {{Gen|III}}, {{Gen|IV}}
|games={{game3|Red and Blue|Red, Blue|s}}, {{v2|Yellow}}, {{game3|Gold and Silver|Gold, Silver|s}}, {{v2|Crystal}}, {{game3|FireRed and LeafGreen|FireRed, LeafGreen|s}}, {{game3|HeartGold and SoulSilver|HeartGold, SoulSilver|s}}, [[Pokémon Stadium (English)|Stadium]], {{pkmn|Stadium 2}}
|leader=yes
|gym=Cinnabar Gym
|specialist=yes
|type={{type2|Fire}}s
|badge=Badge#Volcano Badge{{!}}Volcano Badge
|anime=yes
|epnum=EP058
|epname=Riddle Me This
|enva=[[Michael Haigney]]
|java=Toshiya Ueda |
}}
'''Blaine''' (Japanese: '''カツラ''' ''Katsura'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Cinnabar Island]]'s (later the [[Seafoam Islands]]') {{pkmn|Gym}}, known officially as the [[Cinnabar Gym]]. He hands out the {{Badge|Volcano}} to {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who defeat him. He is a highly intelligent man who uses {{type2|Fire}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

==In the games==
[[Image:Sugimoriblaineoriginal.png|left|thumb|Art of Blaine from {{game|Red and Blue|s}}]]
[[File:Red Blue Blaine.png|thumb|50x|Full art of Blaine from [[Generation I]]]]
[[File:FireRed LeafGreen Blaine.png|thumb|150px|Artwork of Blaine from {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}]]
Blaine's title is "The Hotheaded Quiz Master." His strategy is to incinerate challengers with his rough and ready Fire-type Pokémon.

Blaine was once lost in a treacherous, freezing mountain range. He was guided out of the mountains by a {{p|Moltres}}. Apparently, this is what inspired him to train Fire-type Pokémon.

Blaine is a native of [[Cinnabar Island]], and has lived there since before the [[Pokémon Lab]] was built.

Blaine is apparently on good terms with [[Mr. Fuji]].

To reach Blaine, challengers have to answer a series of quiz questions about Pokémon. Blaine only takes off his sunglasses when thinking up new quiz questions.

In addition to the Volcano Badge, Blaine gives out {{TM|38|Fire Blast}} in {{game3|Red and Blue|Pokémon Red, Blue|s}}, {{game3|Red and Green|Green|s}}, {{v2|Yellow}}, {{game3|FireRed and LeafGreen|FireRed, and LeafGreen|s}}. In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} he gives out {{TM|50|Overheat}}.

In {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, and their [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|remakes]], the volcano on Cinnabar Island erupted, destroying the town, and leaving Blaine and his Pokémon homeless. Blaine relocated his Gym to the [[Seafoam Islands]], and remains there a whole year after the volcanic eruption back on Cinnabar. He plans to rebuild his gym one day.

He is able to be rebattled in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, after collecting his number at any time on Tuesday. He is found on [[Cinnabar Island]]. A call to him on Tuesday afternoon will arrange a rematch. Also In HeartGold and SoulSilver Blaine added Gym Trainers to the gym. Unlike in Gold and Silver.

===[[Fame Checker]]===
This is a list of the Fame Checker's information on Blaine in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
;Gym Sign - Blaine
:What does this person do?
:"CINNABAR ISLAND POKÉMON GYM LEADER: BLAINE The Hotheaded Quiz Master!"
;Cinnabar Gym - Blaine
:Favorite kind of Pokémon?
:"My fiery POKÉMON are all rough and ready with intense heat! They incinerate all challengers!"
;Cinnabar Gym - [[Scientist]] Derek
:Favorite kind of Pokémon?
:"Our LEADER, BLAINE, became lost in the mountains but good. Night fell and a fiery bird POKÉMON appeared. Its light allowed BLAINE to find his way down safely.''
;Cinnabar Island - Woman
:What is this person like?
:"CINNABAR GYM's BLAINE is quite the odd fellow. He's lived on the island since way before the LAB was built."
;Cinnabar Gym - Photo
:Family and Friends?
:"It's a photo of BLAINE and MR. FUJI. They're standing shoulder to shoulder with big grins."
;[[Resort Gorgeous]] - [[Pokémon magazines#Pokémon Journal|Pokémon Journal]]
:There's a rumor...
:"BLAINE is said to remove his dark shades only when he is thinking up new quiz questions."
;Message from <sc>Blaine</sc>
*From: <sc>Blaine</sc>
*To: [Player]
:"My FIRE POKÉMON! They'll become even more powerful!
:And now, a quiz. How many kinds of FIRE-type POKÉMON are there?"

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Blaine's Pokémon in the video games he has appeared in.

===={{game3|Red and Blue|Pokémon Red, Blue|s}} and {{game3|Red and Green|Green|s}}====
{{Party
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=BlaineRBYsprite.png
|prize={{pdollar}}4653

|name=Blaine
|game=RGB
|location=Cinnabar Gym
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/1
|game=Red and Blue
|ndex=058
|pokemon=Growlithe
|level=42
|type1=Fire
|move1=Ember
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Agility
|move4type=Psychic}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/1
|game=Red and Blue
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|level=40
|type1=Fire
|move1=Tail Whip
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Stomp
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fire Spin
|move4type=Fire}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/1
|game=Red and Blue
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|level=42
|type1=Fire
|move1=Tail Whip
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Stomp
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fire Spin
|move4type=Fire}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/1
|game=Red and Blue
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|level=47
|type1=Fire
|move1=Roar
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Ember
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fire Blast
|move4type=Fire}}
}}

===={{game|Yellow}}====
{{Party
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=Y Blaine.png
|prize={{pdollar}}5346

|name=Blaine
|game=Y
|location=Cinnabar Gym
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=038
|pokemon=Ninetales
|level=48
|type1=Fire
|move1=Confuse Ray
|move1type=Ghost
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Tail Whip
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Flamethrower
|move4type=Fire}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Take Down
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Stomp
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fire Spin
|move4type=Fire}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/1
|game=Yellow
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|level=54
|type1=Fire
|move1=Reflect
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Take Down
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Fire Blast
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Flamethrower
|move4type=Fire}}
}}

===={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}====
{{Party
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=Blaine 02.png
|prize={{pdollar}}5000
|class=Leader
|name=Blaine
|game=GSC
|location=Cinnabar Gym
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=219
|pokemon=Magcargo
|gender=male
|level=45
|type1=Fire
|type2=Rock
|move1=Curse
|move1type=???
|move2=Smog
|move2type=Poison
|move3=Flamethrower
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Rock Slide
|move4type=Rock}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=126
|pokemon=Magmar
|gender=male
|level=45
|type1=Fire
|move1=ThunderPunch
|move1type=Electric
|move2=Fire Punch
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Sunny Day
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Confuse Ray
|move4type=Ghost}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/2
|game=Crystal
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Fire Spin
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Fury Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fire Blast
|move4type=Fire}}
}}

===={{Game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}====
{{Party|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=SpriteBlaine.png|
|prize={{pdollar}}4700
|class=Leader
|name=Blaine
|game=FRLG
|location=Cinnabar Gym
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed and LeafGreen
|ndex=058
|pokemon=Growlithe
|gender=male
|ability=Intimidate
|level=42
|type1=Fire
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move2=Roar
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fire Blast
|move4type=Fire}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed and LeafGreen
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|gender=male
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=40
|type1=Fire
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Bounce
|move2type=Flying
|move3=Fire Spin
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Fire Blast
|move4type=Fire}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed and LeafGreen
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|gender=male
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=42
|type1=Fire
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Bounce
|move2type=Flying
|move3=Fire Spin
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Fire Blast
|move4type=Fire}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/3
|game=FireRed and LeafGreen
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=male
|ability=Intimidate
|level=47
|type1=Fire
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move2=Roar
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Fire Blast
|move4type=Fire}}
}}

===={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}====
=====Gym match=====
{{Party
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=BlaineHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}7080
|class=Leader
|name=Blaine
|game=HGSS
|location=Cinnabar Gym
|pokemon=3

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=219
|pokemon=Magcargo
|level=54
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Rock
|ability=Flame Body
|held=White Herb
|move1=Overheat
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Smog
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Rock Slide
|move4type=Rock
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=126
|pokemon=Magmar
|level=54
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flame Body
|held=White Herb
|move1=ThunderPunch
|move1type=Electric
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Confuse Ray
|move2type=Ghost
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Overheat
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Sunny Day
|move4type=Fire
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|level=59
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|held=White Herb
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Bounce
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Overheat
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Flare Blitz
|move4type=Fire
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

=====Second battle ([[rematch]])=====
{{Party
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=BlaineHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}7440
|class=Leader
|name=Blaine
|game=HGSS
|location=Fighting Dojo
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|game=Platinum
|ndex=324
|pokemon=Torkoal
|gender=male
|level=54
|type1=Fire
|ability=White Smoke
|move1=Yawn
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Sunny Day
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Body Slam
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Overheat
|move4type=Fire
|move4cat=Special}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|game=Platinum
|ndex=323
|pokemon=Camerupt
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|level=57
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ground
|ability=Solid Rock
|move1=Eruption
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake
|move2type=Ground
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=SolarBeam
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Sunny Day
|move4type=Fire
|move4cat=Status}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|gender=male
|level=60
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|move1=Flare Blitz
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Megahorn
|move2type=Bug
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Overheat
|move4type=Fire
|move4cat=Special}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|game=SoulSilver
|ndex=219
|pokemon=Magcargo
|gender=male
|level=58
|type1=Fire
|type2=Rock
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Curse
|move1type=???
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Gyro Ball
|move2type=Steel
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Overheat
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Stone Edge
|move4type=Rock
|move4cat=Physical}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|game=HeartGold
|ndex=229
|pokemon=Houndoom
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|level=54
|type1=Dark
|type2=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|move1=Dark Pulse
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flamethrower
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Shadow Ball
|move3type=Ghost
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Sucker Punch
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|game=Platinum
|ndex=467
|pokemon=Magmortar
|gender=male
|level=62
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Flamethrower
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Thunderbolt
|move2type=Electric
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Low Kick
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Confuse Ray
|move4type=Ghost
|move4cat=Status}}}}

===={{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}====
=====Round 1=====
{{Party
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=S2 Leader Blaine.png
|prize=N/A

|name=Blaine
|game=Pokémon Stadium
|location=Cinnabar Gym
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Agility
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Stomp
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Fire Spin
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Horn Drill
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Fire Blast
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Body Slam
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Dragon Rage
|move3type=Dragon
|move4=Dig
|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=006
|pokemon=Charizard
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|move1=Slash
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Flamethrower
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Fly
|move3type=Flying
|move4=Earthquake
|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=126
|pokemon=Magmar
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Body Slam
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Psychic
|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Fire Punch
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Confuse Ray
|move4type=Ghost}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=036
|pokemon=Clefable
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|move1=Flamethrower
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Ice Beam
|move2type=Ice
|move3=Thunderbolt
|move3type=Electric
|move4=Thunder Wave
|move4type=Electric}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=115
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|move1=Thunderbolt
|move1type=Electric
|move2=Fire Blast
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Surf
|move3type=Water
|move4=Earthquake
|move4type=Ground}}
}}

=====Round 2=====
{{Party
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=S2 Leader Blaine.png
|prize=N/A

|name=Blaine
|game=Pokémon Stadium
|location=Cinnabar Gym
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Fire Spin
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Toxic
|move3type=Poison
|move4=Horn Drill
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=126
|pokemon=Magmar
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Body Slam
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Psychic
|move2type=Psychic
|move3=Fire Punch
|move3type=Fire
|move4=Confuse Ray
|move4type=Ghost}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=006
|pokemon=Charizard
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|move1=Slash
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Flamethrower
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Fly
|move3type=Flying
|move4=Earthquake
|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=113
|pokemon=Chansey
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|move1=Fire Blast
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Softboiled
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Minimize
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Ice Beam
|move4type=Ice}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=114
|pokemon=Tangela
|level=50
|type1=Grass
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move3=Stun Spore
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Rest
|move4type=Psychic}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/1
|ndex=047
|pokemon=Parasect
|level=50
|type1=Bug
|type2=Grass
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Slash
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Mega Drain
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Stun Spore
|move4type=Grass}}
}}

====[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]====
=====Round 1=====
{{Party
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=S2 Leader Blaine.png
|prize=N/A
|class=Leader
|name=Blaine
|game=Pokémon Stadium 2
|location=Cinnabar Gym
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=038
|pokemon=Ninetales
|gender=
|held=Scope Lens
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fire Blast
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Dig
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Quick Attack
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=047
|pokemon=Parasect
|gender=
|held=Quick Claw
|level=50
|type1=Bug
|type2=Grass
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=SolarBeam
|move2type=Grass
|move3=Giga Drain
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Slash
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|gender=
|held=King's Rock
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fire Blast
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Agility
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Stomp
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=136
|pokemon=Flareon
|gender=
|held=Miracle Berry
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fire Blast
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Shadow Ball
|move4type=Ghost}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=219
|pokemon=Magcargo
|gender=
|held=PRZCureBerry
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|type2=Rock
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fire Blast
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Rock Slide
|move3type=Rock
|move4=Earthquake
|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=224
|pokemon=Octillery
|gender=
|held=Focus Band
|level=50
|type1=Water
|move1=Octazooka
|move1type=Water
|move2=BubbleBeam
|move2type=Water
|move3=Ice Beam
|move3type=Ice
|move4=Psybeam
|move4type=Psychic}}
}}

=====Round 2=====
{{Party
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=S2 Leader Blaine.png
|prize=N/A
|class=Leader
|name=Blaine
|game=Pokémon Stadium 2
|location=Cinnabar Gym
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=
|held=King's Rock
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fire Blast
|move2type=Fire
|move3=ExtremeSpeed
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Roar
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=045
|pokemon=Vileplume
|gender=
|held=Quick Claw
|level=50
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=SolarBeam
|move2type=Grass
|move3=Synthesis
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Sludge Bomb
|move4type=Poison}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=036
|pokemon=Clefable
|gender=
|held=Focus Band
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fire Blast
|move2type=Fire
|move3=SolarBeam
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Moonlight
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=113
|pokemon=Chansey
|gender=
|held=Miracle Berry
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fire Blast
|move2type=Fire
|move3=SolarBeam
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Counter
|move4type=Fighting}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=122
|pokemon=Mr. Mime
|gender=
|held=Scope Lens
|level=50
|type1=Psychic
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fire Punch
|move2type=Fire
|move3=SolarBeam
|move3type=Grass
|move4=Psychic
|move4type=Psychic}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/2
|ndex=146
|pokemon=Moltres
|gender=
|held=Focus Band
|level=50
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|move1=Sunny Day
|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fire Blast
|move2type=Fire
|move3=Wing Attack
|move3type=Flying
|move4=Steel Wing
|move4type=Steel}}
}}

===Quotes===
====Pokémon Red/Blue====
''"Hah! I'm Blaine! I am the Leader of Cinnabar gym! My fiery Pokémon will incinerate all challengers! Hah! You better have Burn Heal!"''

''"I've burned out! You have earned the Volcano badge!"''

====Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen====
''"Hah! I'm Blaine, the red-hot Leader of Cinnabar Gym! My fiery Pokémon are all ready with intense heat! They incinerate all challengers! Hah! You better have Burn Heal!"''

''"I have burned down to nothing! Not even ashes remain! You have earned the Volcano Badge."''

====Pokémon Gold/Silver====
''"Waaah! My Gym in Cinnabar burned down. My fire-breathing Pokémon and I are homeless because of the volcano. Waaah! But I'm back in business as a Gym Leader here in this cave. If you can beat me, I'll give you a Badge. Ha! You'd better have Burn Heal!"''

''"Awesome. I've burned out... You've earned Volcano badge!"''

''"I did lose this time, but I'm going to win the next time. When I rebuild my Cinnabar Gym, we'll have to have a rematch."''

====Pokémon HeartGold/SoulSilver====
=====Cinnabar Gym=====
* Before battle
:''"Hey, you! My Gym on Cinnabar Island was burned down by the eruption! But I will not give up! Take a look at this cave. We have turned it into a Gym, and I am still acting as a Gym Leader! I will give you the Gym Badge if you manage to defeat me! Are you ready? Here we go!"''

* After sending out last Pokémon
:''"I'll show you the spirit of my cave Gym!"''

* During battle
:''"We can still do it!"''

* When defeated
:''"My spirit has not been defeated!"''

* After being defeated''
:''"Awesome. I have burned out... Take this Volcano Badge!"''

:''"Here, I will give you this, too. It's called {{m|Overheat}}! It has a slight drawback, but it's powerful and well worth it!''"

:''"I did lose this time, but I'm going to win next time. When I rebuild my Cinnabar Gym, we have to hold a rematch."''

:''"My Fire-type Pokémon will be even stronger! Just you watch!"''

=====[[Fighting Dojo]]=====
*Before battle
:''"You keep your word. That's a good thing, kiddo!"''

*After being defeated
:''"Waaah! If I had known this Dojo was going to be available, I wouldn't have needed to rebuild my Gym. Wait! I still did, didn't I?"''

=====Pokégear Registering ([[Cinnabar Island]])=====
:''"I'll never give up until the day I've rebuilt the Cinnabar Gym! Why not exchange numbers!"''
::Yes: ''"Hmmm... We should be able to battle on Tuesday evenings!"'''

===Sprites===
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|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:80px"| [[Image:BlaineRBYsprite.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:80px"| [[Image:Y_Blaine.png‎]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Blaine_02.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:SpriteBlaine.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:BlaineHGSS.gif‎]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSBlaine.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:S2_Leader_Blaine.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Blaine's sprite from [[Generation I]]
| Blaine's sprite from {{game|Yellow}}
| Blaine's sprite from [[Generation II]]
| Blaine's sprite from [[Generation III]]
| Blaine's sprite from [[Generation IV]]
| Blaine's VS sprite from [[Generation IV]]
| Blaine's artwork from [[Pokémon Stadium (English)|both]] [[Pokémon Stadium 2|Pokémon Stadiums]] 
|}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Blaine_anime.png|thumb|220px|left|Blaine in the anime]]
Blaine appeared in the episodes ''[[EP058|Riddle Me This]]'' and ''[[EP059|Volcanic Panic]]''.

Blaine ran the Cinnabar Island Gym until the island started to become crowded with tourists. Instead of serious challengers, the Cinnabar Island {{pkmn|Center}} started to fill up with freeloading vacationers.

Fed up with this, Blaine closed the Gym and opened up a hotel near the island's volcanic hot springs, disguising himself with a wig and sunglasses. He also disguised his voice to be softer and lower pitched than normal. Blaine likes to make up riddles even in inappropriate situations.

When {{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}}, and {{an|Brock}} met Blaine, he told them several riddles. Misty deciphered the riddles and eventually the trio found Blaine's hotel, and underneath the hotel in a volcanic cavern was the Cinnabar Island Gym. Ash challenged Blaine to a Gym match, and Blaine handily defeated Ash.

Later, [[Team Rocket]] attempted to steal Blaine's {{p|Magmar}} by freezing it with guns that projected beams of ice. Magmar broke free in the end. However, the sudden cooling of the walls in the lava cave caused the rock to begin to crack hinting that the Cinnabar Island volcano was going to erupt.

Ash, Blaine, Misty, and Brock all used their {{t|Water}}-, {{t|Rock}}-, and {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon to dam the cracks in the walls using boulders. [[Ash's Squirtle]] and [[Misty's Staryu]] mostly cooled the Pokémon off while they were damming up the cracks. During the emergency, Ash's {{AP|Charizard}} and Blaine's {{TP|Blaine|Magmar}} gained an interest in the other's strength, and wished to test it in battle.

With the arena inside the volcano wrecked by Team Rocket, Ash and Blaine had a battle on the top crater of the volcano. At first, Magmar and Charizard were evenly matched, but Charizard's ability to fly gave it an advantage in the end. It lifted Magmar high into the air and used {{m|Seismic Toss}}, slamming Magmar into the volcano. The Spitfire Pokémon was knocked out, and Ash won the Volcano Badge.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Blaine's known Pokémon in the {{pkmn|anime}}:
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Blaine
|pkmn=Ninetales
|type1=Fire
|img=Blaine Ninetales.png
|epnum=EP058
|epname=Riddle Me This
|vajp=Shin'ichirō Miki
|vaen=Rachael Lillis
|desc={{p|Ninetales}} was Blaine's first Pokémon used in his battle with Ash. Despite its beautiful looks, Ninetales proved to be an incredibly powerful Pokémon, being able to take out Ash's {{p|Squirtle}} with a single attack. Ninetales was recalled when Ash sent out his Charizard.

Ninetales's only known move is {{m|Fire Spin}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Blaine
|pkmn=Rhydon
|type1=Ground
|type2=Rock
|img=Blaine Rhydon.png
|epnum=EP058
|epname=Riddle Me This
|vajp=Katsuyuki Konishi
|vaen=Katsuyuki Konishi
|desc=After Ash chose Charizard in his battle, Blaine countered it by choosing {{p|Rhydon}}. With Charizard leaving the battle, Rhydon went up against {{AP|Pikachu}}, a Pokémon who Blaine thought would not be able to take out Rhydon. Its horn was used as a conductor of electricity that eventually caused its defeat.

Rhydon's known moves are {{m|Horn Drill}} and {{m|Fury Attack}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=yes
|trainer=Blaine
|pkmn=Magmar
|type1=Fire
|img=Blaine Magmar.png
|epnum=EP058
|epname=Riddle Me This
|vajp=Katsuyuki Konishi
|vaen=Eric Stuart
|desc={{p|Magmar}} is Blaine's final Pokémon and his powerhouse. In the first battle, Magmar easily defeated Ash's {{p|Pikachu}}. After the battlefield was wrecked due to Team Rocket's influence, Magmar and Ash's Charizard ended up gaining a respect for each other and wanted to test their strengths against one another. This was done in Ash's rematch with Blaine on top of Cinnabar's volcano. However, despite Magmar's powerful attacks including {{m|Fire Blast}}, Charizard managed to come out on top.}}
{{-}}

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{fire color}}|bordercolor={{fire color light}}
|ja=上田敏也 ''Toshiya Ueda''
|en=[[Michael Haigney]]
|es_la=Bardo Miranda
|es_eu=Luis Mas
|pl=Wojciech Majchrzak}}

==In the Pokémon Adventures manga==
[[File:Blaine Adventures.png|300px|thumb|right|Blaine]]
Blaine was a former member of [[Team Rocket]], joining because of his interest in science, conducting experiments on some of {{adv|Red}}'s future Pokémon, namely {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Eevee}}. He was first seen (albeit without a speaking role), studying and generating {{Adv|Mewtwo}} under the [[Rocket Game Corner]]. But after hearing of Red's clashes with Team Rocket, like protecting {{p|Mew}} from Team Rocket, Blaine left, attempting to make up for his evil deeds. When Red reached Cinnabar Island, Blaine was under attack by members of Team Rocket and their newly captured {{p|Moltres}}, on loan from [[Sabrina]].

Blaine had his Rapidash carry Red to his Pokémon Lab, who in return let Blaine use his Gyarados to hold off Moltres, where Red was able to revive an {{p|Aerodactyl}} from a [[fossil]]. Aerodactyl helped rescue Blaine and defeat Moltres.

Later, Blaine asked Red to help him in [[Cerulean Cave]]. While he was working under Team Rocket, Blaine combined some of Mew's DNA with his own to create a hybrid Pokémon named {{Adv|Mewtwo}}. Some of Blaine's hand was infected with Mewtwo's DNA, and thus he was able to track the synthetic Pokémon. Because of this, Team Rocket attempted to abduct Blaine to review Mewtwo's whereabouts. Using the {{DL|Poké Ball|Generation I Poké Balls|Master Ball}}, Red was able to capture Mewtwo for Blaine after Blaine tried and was seriously injured in the process. This is when Blaine revealed why he quit Team Rocket. He saw Red's compassion for Pokémon in the Rocket Game Corner and it made Blaine realize that he created two monsters, Mewtwo and himself. He then decided that he didn't care what Team Rocket would do to him, but rather that he needed to catch Mewtwo and help it. It was then suggested by Red that he needs to show Mewtwo compassion because all that Mewtwo knows about humans is cruelty and arrogance.

The psychic bond between Mewtwo and Blaine limited them both. If they were apart for too long, both would begin to become ill. Blaine worked for several years trying to find a way to sever the bond without hurting either of them. He then appeared during the Yellow Chapter as one of the "Good" Gym Leaders of Kanto. After [[Super Nerd]] William is defeated he uses Growlithe to sniff him down and deduces that Red must have been at [[Mt. Moon]]. When William was being lifted away by [[Agatha]] and her {{p|Gastly}} Blaine tried to use Growlithe's Fire Blast to knock it out, only for it to almost kill a Caterpie had Yellow not saved it.

He was then seen back on Cinnabar Island training with a Junior Trainer using Mewtwo to practice their connection using a disguise. Yellow then finds out that was Blaine and was simply wearing a disguise because he didn't know who was watching. He then hears a message from [[Brock]] reporting that he found an ice sculpture of {{adv|Red}} in [[Mt. Moon]]. He then travels to Cerise Island with Yellow (albeit by different routes) with Mewtwo, revealing that that was why they were training for. He then runs into Blue and sees several Pokémon, believing them to belong to the Elite Four, but actually belonging to [[Lt. Surge]], [[Koga]], and [[Sabrina]].

During the [[Cerise Island]] incident, [[Sabrina]]'s [[Spoons of Destiny]] paired Blaine and {{adv|Yellow}} together in the fight against the [[Elite Four]]. They intruded on Lt. Surge and Bill's battle with Bruno. They were blocked out by a strange barrier, however, and were kept out since Bruno did not wish for anyone to interfere with their battle. Together, they confronted [[Lance]]. However, the bond between Mewtwo and Blaine proved to be their undoing, and they were defeated, leaving Yellow to face Lance alone.

Later, during the [[Masked Man]]'s plot in [[Johto]], {{p|Entei}} chose Blaine to be its partner. The healing power of Entei's flames was finally able to cut the link between Mewtwo and Blaine, and the two were free to live their lives apart from each other.

Although he's serious for most situations, he also had his comical moments; Blaine had his mustache burnt when he was training and had to use fake ones. Sometimes he may also use riddles to lighten up dark atmosphere.

===Pokémon===
This listing is for Blaine's Pokémon in the Pokémon Adventures manga.
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Blaine
|pkmn=Growlithe
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|img=Blaine Growlithe Adventures.png
|epnum=PS049
|epname=As Gastly as Before
|desc={{p|Growlithe}} is Blaine's Pokémon that was usually seen in searches. He first used it to find the cloth of Super Nerd William after he got possessed by a {{p|Gastly}}.

Growlithe's known moves are {{m|Flamethrower}} and {{m|Fire Blast}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Blaine
|pkmn=Rapidash
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|img=Blaine Rapidash Adventures.png
|epnum=PS026
|epname=Holy Moltres
|desc={{p|Rapidash}} is Blaine's mode of transportation. He first used it to battle the {{p|Moltres}} that Team Rocket had captured with little success, and had it help Red reach his laboratory, where [[Red (Adventures)#Aero|an Aerodactyl]] could be resurrected from the [[Old Amber]] he had acquired earlier.

Rapidash's only known move is {{m|Fire Spin}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Blaine
|pkmn=Arcanine
|type1=Fire
|img=Blaine Arcanine Adventures.png
|epnum=PS026
|epname=Holy Moltres
|desc={{p|Arcanine}} was first seen along with Rapidash battling with Team Rocket. Nothing was known about it at the time as it only made a brief appearance.

None of Arcanine's moves are known.}}

====Released====
{{TrainerPoké
|main=Mewtwo (Adventures)
|trainer=Blaine
|pkmn=Mewtwo
|type1=Psychic
|img=Blaine Mewtwo.png
|img size=120px
|epnum=PS016
|epname=Tauros the Tyrant
|desc={{p|Mewtwo}} was created by Blaine in a Team Rocket hideout using a small sample of {{p|Mew}}'s DNA and Blaine's own. After it was fully cultivated in the [[Pokémon Lab]] on Cinnabar Island, it went berserk and demolished the place before settling in the [[Cerulean Cave]] (where it wreaked havoc in the northwestern sector of [[Cerulean City]]). Eventually, Red caught word of it and reached the cave out of curiosity before nearly being killed in its {{m|Psywave|psychic tornado}}. Blaine made a valiant attempt to kill it at all costs, knowing that if he, the only one with the ability to function as a "Mewtwo Radar" was defeated, the world could come to an end. Although this succeeded in eliminating its tornado, the mutant itself still survived, only to be caught with a Master Ball that was thrown by Red in an ingenious maneuver. Mewtwo then went on to be a trained Pokémon belonging to Blaine and fought against [[Lance]] in the {{chap|Yellow}}, though Blaine's failing health held it back from winning. After it was released a year later, it partnered up with Red much later on to free {{Adv|Deoxys}} from [[Giovanni]]'s hands.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Blaine
|pkmn=Entei
|type1=Fire
|img=Blaine Adventures.png
|img size=120px
|epnum=PS117
|epname=Vs. Slugma
|desc=Blaine was chosen by {{p|Entei}} to be partnered up for his extensive knowledge of the {{type|Fire}}. In return, it offered its help in erasing the painful genetic connection between him and Mewtwo, allowing it to finally be freed. After Blaine, [[Misty]], and [[Lt. Surge]] had been injured fighting the [[Masked Man]] in the [[Indigo Plateau]], it was partnered up with {{Adv|Silver}} instead, and went back to the wild after the villain was defeated.

Entei's known moves are {{m|Flamethrower}} and {{m|Fire Blast}}.}}

==In the TCG==
There is a {{TCG|Theme Deck}} named for Blaine in the {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} expansion. It has two versions, [[Blaine (TCG)|English]] and [[Guren Town Gym (TCG)|Japanese]].

===Artwork===
<gallery>
Image:BlaineTCG1.jpg|Blaine and the Volcano Badge.
Image:Blaines-Last-Resort.jpg|Blaine throws a [[Poké Ball]].
Image:Blaines-Gamble.jpg|Blaine gambles.
Image:Blaine-Fervor.jpg|Blaine in an outrage.
Image:Blaines-Quiz2.jpg|Blaine quizzes a challenger.
Image:Blaine-Quiz3.jpg|Blaine quizzes [[Brock]].
Image:BlaineVS.png|Blaine's updated {{tcg|VS}} art.
</gallery>

===Pokémon===
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Blaine or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{tcg Fire color}};"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Moltres|1}} || {{e|Fire}} || 44 || [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic]]H || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 1/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Growlithe|35}} || {{e|Fire}} || 17 || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 35/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Kangaskhan|36}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 36 || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 36/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Magmar|37}} || {{e|Fire}} || 29 || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 37/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Charmander|61}} || {{e|Fire}} || 16 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 61/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Growlithe|62}} || {{e|Fire}} || 15 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 62/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Ponyta|63}} || {{e|Fire}} || 16 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 63/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Tauros|64}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 34 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 64/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Vulpix|65}} || {{e|Fire}} || 9 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 65/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Quiz 1|97}} || - || - || {{rar|Rare}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 97/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Last Resort|105}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 105/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Blaine's Gamble|121}} || - || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Heroes}} || 121/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Arcanine|1}} || {{e|Fire}} || 42 || [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic]]H || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 1/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Charizard|2}} || {{e|Fire}} || 50 || [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic]]H || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 2/132
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine|17}} || rowspan=2 | - || rowspan=2 | - || [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic]]H || rowspan=2 | {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 17/132
|-
| {{rar|Rare}} || 100/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Ninetales|21}} || {{e|Fire}} || 27 || {{rar|Rare}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 21/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Charmeleon|31}} || {{e|Fire}} || 29 || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 31/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Dodrio|32}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 26 || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 32/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Rapidash|33}} || {{e|Fire}} || 31 || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 33/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Charmander|60}} || {{e|Fire}} || 18 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 60/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Doduo|61}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 17 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 61/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Growlithe|62}} || {{e|Fire}} || 20 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 62/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Mankey|63}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 14 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 63/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Ponyta|64}} || {{e|Fire}} || 14 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 63/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Rhyhorn|65}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 26 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 65/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Vulpix|66}} || {{e|Fire}} || 18 || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 66/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Quiz 2|111}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 111/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Blaine's Quiz 3|112}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 112/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Cinnabar City Gym|113}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} || 113/132
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Blaine's Typhlosion|70}} || {{e|Fire}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 70/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Blaine's Magcargo|71}} || {{e|Fire}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 71/141
|}

==Trivia==
* Although {{p|Magmar}} appears as Blaine's signature Pokémon in the anime, he only has one in Generations {{gen|II}} and {{gen|IV}}, with it not even appearing in his Gym team in Yellow (which went as far as giving Lt. Surge ''only'' Raichu to mimic the anime).
** This may be due to the fact that ''[[EP058|Riddle Me This]]'' aired only a month prior to the release of {{game|Yellow}}, by which point Yellow was likely in the final stages of production.
** This is somewhat circumvented in HeartGold and SoulSilver where the first match with Blain has Magmar and the rematch has his signature Pokemon as a [[Magmortar]], the evolution of Magmar.
* Despite the {{p|Arcanine}} evolutionary line being his signature Pokémon in Generation I and III, Arcanine is no longer in his party in Generation II and its remakes.
* Even when the player battles Blaine in a rematch, he still references his "Cave Gym" as if the battle's taking place there.
* He is the only Gym Leader that battles outside a building for their first battle.
===Design differences===
[[Image:Blaine Disguise anime.png|thumb|220px|right|Blaine's anime disguise]]
Blaine has two separate character designs. The first one is from early Sugimori artwork for [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]]. He is depicted as a slightly balding man with light red hair with no mustache and no sunglasses wearing beach clothes. The old design was reused in the {{pkmn|anime}} (as Blaine's real look) and very briefly in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga (as a disguise after his mustache was burned).

Later, in [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Pokémon Blue]] and outside-Japan [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]] the artwork was revised and he started to be depicted as an older, completely bald man with a mustache, wearing sunglasses and labcoat. Despite the artwork changes, his new design was used in ''all'' Generation I main series games, including the [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]]. This means that Blaine's design was probably changed very late in the production of [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]], since his official artwork and his in-game sprite are completely different portrayals.

The reasons for changing the design is unknown; however, the [[Fame Checker]] in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} explains why he doesn't always wear sunglasses: "Blaine is said to remove his dark shades only when he is thinking up new quiz questions."

In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, Blaine is shown wearing a hat. He wears more sophisticated clothing than his previous lab coat. He also sports a cane that resembles a question mark.

==Names==
{| align="left" style="background: #{{fire color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 3px solid #{{fire color}}"
|- align=center
! style="-moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Language
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Name
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| カツラ ''Katsura''
| The Japanese name for the {{wp|Cercidiphyllum|Japanese Judas tree}}. ''Katsura'' is also a word for "wig" (鬘). From 火 ''ka'' ("fire").
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English, Italian, Spanish
| Blaine
| Sounds similar to ''blaze'' or ''flame''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Auguste
| Similar to the word ''ustion'', burn.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Pyro
| From Greek πυρ (''pyr''), fire.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 강연 ''Gang-yeon''{{tt|*|Game}} 대머리박사 ''Daemeoribaksa''{{tt|*|Manga}}
| 강연 (''gang-yeon'') means "lecture". 대머리박사 means ''bald expert'' (or ''bald doctor'') which describes his look and wisdom.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 夏伯 ''Xiàbó''
| From 夏 (''summer'') and 伯, ''uncle'' (or a respectful term for someone older).
|}
{{-}}

==External links==
* [http://pokeani.com/chara/gym-katura.html Katsura's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)
 
{{Blaine's Pokémon}}
 
{{Gym Leaders of Kanto}}
 
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Ash's Leavanny

2011-01-27T13:13:47Z

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{{incomplete}}
{{AnimePokémonInfobox|
type1=bug|
type2=grass|
trainername=Ash|
pokemonname=Sewaddle|
jtrainername=サトシ|
jpokemonname=クルミル|
tmtrainername=Satoshi|
tmpokemonname=Kurumiru|
image=[[File:Ash Sewaddle.png|250px]] |
caption=Ash's Sewaddle |
gender= Unknown |
location=[[Yaguruma Forest]] |
epnum=BW018 |
epname= |
prevonum=540|
current=[[Party|With Ash]] |
enva1=N/A|
java1=[[Inuko Inuyama]]|
}}
'''Ash's Sewaddle''' (Japanese: '''サトシのクルミル''' ''Satoshi's Kurumiru'') is the sixth Pokémon that {{Ash}} obtained in the [[Unova]] region.

==History==

==Moves used==
{{anmov/h|Bug|Grass|Sewaddle {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0|1=String Shot|2=Razor Leaf|3=Bug Bite}}.png|Using {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 4}}|0|1=String Shot|2=Razor Leaf|3=Bug Bite}}}}
{{anmov|bug|String Shot|BW018}}
{{anmov|grass|Razor Leaf|BW018}}
{{anmov|bug|Bug Bite|BW018}}
{{anmov/f|bug|grass}}

==Trivia==
* Sewaddle is Ash's first {{type|Grass}} Pokémon that is not a [[starter Pokémon]].
* Sewaddle is the first of Ash's Pokémon since his {{AP|Krabby|Kingler}} which he caught when he already had a full party of six Pokémon.
** It also marks the first time Ash has rotated his seventh Pokémon into his main team.

==Related articles==

{{Animespecies|Sewaddle}}
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{{Stub|Anime}}
{{Ash's Pokémon|bug|grass}} 
{{Project Anime notice|no}}

[[Category:Ash's Pokémon|Sewaddle]]

Bulbapedia

2011-01-25T15:20:31Z

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{{Fan site|
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'''Bulbapedia''' is a community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia that is based on the {{wp|wiki}} concept, meaning it may be read and edited by anyone. It is similar in spirit to {{wp|Wikipedia}}, but is focused solely on documenting the Pokémon canon and the fandom surrounding it.

Its name is a {{wp|portmanteau}} of ''[[Bulbagarden]]'', the Pokémon website which runs Bulbapedia, and ''{{wp|encyclopedia}}''. It is affectionately known as ''the 'pedia'' among its contributors. Both Bulbapedia and Bulbagarden get their names from {{p|Bulbasaur}}, notable as the first Pokémon, according to [[National Pokédex]] order.

For a number of reasons, such as a reputation, waiting to add facts until they are confirmed by official sources, and a wide array of information, Bulbapedia is generally accepted as the most in-depth site within the Pokémon fandom. Images for the website are stored at the [[Bulbagarden Archives]], which also supplies artwork, photographs and screenshots for [[Bulbanews]], an affiliate news site also run by Bulbagarden.

==Development==
Bulbapedia is by no means the first Pokémon wiki; indeed, there are several that predate Bulbapedia.

Bulbapedia was set up by {{u|Zhen Lin}} on December 21, 2004. The original period of development sought members of the Bulbagarden community to write for "a collaborative and open work environment which makes interacting with other staff and looking up information very simple."<ref>[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=6497 Original announcement]</ref> This proved unsuccessful, but Bulbapedia proceeded with a dozen or so contributors, and reached 100 articles within three weeks. It eventually opened to the public on February 14, 2005, marketed as "Bulbagarden's Valentine's Gift to the Fandom".<ref>[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=6899 Bulbapedia's release notes]</ref> At least 21 new articles were created within the first 24 hours of operations, and within three months 1,000 articles had been written. The 10,000th article was created 3 years later, on June 29, 2008.<ref>[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia:About#Milestones Bulbapedia statistics]</ref> Currently, it is the largest English-language Pokémon wiki.

Like every wiki, Bulbapedia's development was dependent on the community, and in the years that passed since its opening, many thousands of users have contributed to its success. In the summer of 2007, when the subject of starting of publishing advertisements on the website to maintain its costs came up, the entire community {{bp|Advertising|was given the right to vote}} on the matter, eventually deciding to agree to the advertising.

==Staff==
{{u|evkl}} was the first Editor-in-Chief of Bulbapedia, and remained in this role until early 2006, when he made way for Bulbapedia founder {{u|Zhen Lin}} to take the helm. evkl remains the Deputy Head of Bulbagarden. During his time as Editor-in-Chief, evkl's primary goal was to build the foundations of Bulbapedia.

Zhen Lin remained Editor-in-Chief until 2008, when {{u|TTEchidna}} (who had until then been the Deputy Editor-in-Chief) took over. Zhen had a background in coding, and remains responsible for much of the technical operations of the wiki, despite currently being on hiatus. TTEchidna's reign continued to grow and develop Bulbapedia, and he is largely responsible for the bold colored, round-bordered templates that are now associated with Bulbapedia. As of December 1st, 2010, TTEchidna resigned and has passed the torch to {{u|MAGNEDETH}}.

From the early days, Bulbapedia has been overseen by an {{bp|editorial board}} that collaborates on all executive decisions, including the making of {{cat|Bulbapedia policies|Bulbapedia policy}}. There are also many {{bp|administrators}} and other {{bp|staff}} who oversee the day-to-day running of the site.

==Content==
[[File:Main Page.png|thumb|right|250px|Bulbapedia's Main Page, in its standard coloration]]
===Articles===
Bulbapedia offers information on every aspect of the Pokémon franchise. {{bp|Projects}} exist for many areas, where editors can work together to grow Bulbapedia. The {{pkmn|anime}}, {{pkmn|Trading Card Game}}, {{pkmn|games}}, and {{pkmn|manga}} each have their own Project. One of the newest Projects, {{bp|Project Globe}} aims to increase Bulbapedia's international content, an area that was previously scarce. These Projects are run by {{bp|Project Leaders}}, whose job is to manage their Projects and make sure the Projects move forward.

{{bp|Featured articles}} are articles that have been recognized for their high quality and completeness. Featured articles are featured on the [[Main Page]] of the wiki on a one-month rotation, and can be {{bp|Featured article candidates|voted on and nominated}} by every member of the community.

===Images===
In the initial stages of Bulbapedia, images were hosted on the same site. Nowadays, they are kept on the [[Bulbagarden Archives]], which allows interaction with [[Bulbanews]] as well. From early 2009, the Bulbagarden Archives has been running off a separate server from Bulbapedia; this has reduced stress on and sped up the site.

The majority of images on Bulbapedia are recognized as "fair use".

==Vandalism==
Due to the interactive and collaborative nature of the site, Bulbapedia is prone to vandalism. This is often quickly seen and reverted by good-faith contributors, but two incidents have stood out in the site's history. {{bp|The Great Bulbapedia Turkey Shoot}} is the first, and has been documented for its historicity. The second, more recent spate is unnamed, although it was once jokingly referred to as "The Great Bulbapedia Turkey Shoot II: Back for Dessert".<ref>[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=37837&page=3 Turkey Shoot II]</ref>

Vandalism, of course, is not tolerated on Bulbapedia and accounts performing such actions will be blocked permanently.

==Relations with other sites==
Bulbapedia is a founding member of the [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]], a multi-lingual group of wikis documenting all aspects of Pokémon. As a part of Bulbagarden, it is also considered an affiliate site with all Bulbagarden affiliates.

Bulbapedia also co-founded the [[Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance]]. This network comprises fan-run wikis from seven Nintendo franchises.

Relations with [[The Pokémon Wiki]], of Wikia, have not been as promising. This is to no fault of the Wikia administration, but due to Wikian contributors misunderstanding the various clauses of Bulbapedia's Creative Commons license, which prohibits commercial use of Bulbapedia information, and the redistribution of it. This has been a problem with other sites who wish to profit off Bulbapedia's volunteer staff, such as the [[n:Apple iPhone Application infringes on Bulbapedia license|makers of one iPhone application]]. An attempt was made by Wikia early in Bulbapedia history that would have seen Bulbapedia become part of the Wikia enterprise. It was, clearly, unsuccessful. Since then, Wikia has made a number of offers for Bulbagarden, most recently in April 2010. All of them have been rejected in a rather emphatic fashion.

==Future==
As a wiki, Bulbapedia is always growing, expanding, and [[Evolution|evolving]]. Despite the thousands of articles and hundreds of new users each week, it still remains incomplete; but as the nature of any wiki, anyone and everyone is welcome to help contribute to the site. With a constant stream of new Pokémon {{pkmn|games}}, {{pkmn|anime}}, [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|trading card]]s, {{pkmn|manga}}, {{pkmn|merchandise}}, and more being released every month (not to mention the ever expanding fandom), Bulbapedia's job will never be done as it continues to be the #1 Pokémon wiki in the world.

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 Bulbapedia discussion forum] on [[Bulbagarden forums]]

{{Encyclopaediae Pokémonis}}
 
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Dragonspiral Tower

2011-01-08T12:44:04Z

Bttsstewart: /* Trivia */

{{incomplete}}
{{Infobox location
|image=Dragon Spiral Tower.png
|image_size=256
|location_name=Dragon Spiral Tower
|japanese_name={{tt|リュウラセンの塔|Ryūrasen no Tō}}
|translated_name=Dragon Spiral Tower
|location=North of [[Sekka City]]
|type=rock
|region=Unova
|generation={{Gen|V}}
}}

(Japanese: '''{{tt|リュウラセンの塔|リュウラセンのとう}}''' ''Dragon Spiral Tower'') is an old tower where {{p|Zekrom}}{{sup|Bl}} or {{p|Reshiram}}{{sup|W}} was sealed after the war thousands of years ago and is first seen (with [[N]]) awakened either both dragons. It is located in the western part of Unova, just above [[Sekka City]]. Though it is not known who built it or when it was built, it is the oldest tower in Unova.

==Items==
{{Itlisth|rock}}
{{Itlistbod|Old Gateau|Entrance, gift from [[Professor Juniper|Prof. Juniper]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Nugget|Entrance, slope at exit of [[Sekka City]] (Winter only)|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Dark|Outside eastern area|BW|display={{TM|63|Embargo}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Heart Scale|Outside ''(hidden)''|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|2F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Stardust|2F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Shiny Stone|3F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Dragon Fang|5F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Star Piece|6F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Stardust|6F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Revive|6F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Max Elixir|7F|BW}}
{{Itlistfoot|rock}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation V===
====Entrance====
{{Catch/header|grass}}
{{catch/entry5|520|Hatooboo|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|30-32|all=30% (Spring-Autumn only)|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|582|Vanipeti|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-33|all=30% (Winter only)|type1=Ice}}
{{catch/entry5|585|Shikijika|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-32|all=30%|type1=Normal|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|619|Kojofu|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-33|all=30%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|621|Crimgan|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-33|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry5|613|Kumasyun|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|33|all=10% (Winter only)|type1=ice}}
{{catch/div|forest|Shaking Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|531|Tabunne|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|30-33|all=85% (Spring-Autumn) 90% (Winter)|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|587|Emonga|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31|all=10%|type1=Electric|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|521|Kenhorou|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|33|all=5% (Spring-Autumn only)|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|ice|Dark Grass (Winter only)}}
{{catch/entry5|583|Baniricchi|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-33|all=30%|type1=Ice}}
{{catch/entry5|586W|Mebukijika|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|30-32|all=30%|type1=Normal|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|619|Kojofu|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-33|all=30%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|614|Tsunbear|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|33|all=10%|type1=Ice}}
{{Catch/footer|grass}}

====Outside====
{{Catch/header|forest}}
{{catch/entry5|520|Hatooboo|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-32|all=30% (Spring-Autumn only)|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|582|Vanipeti|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-32|all=30% (Winter only)|type1=Ice}}
{{catch/entry5|585|Shikijika|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-32|all=30%|type1=Normal|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|619|Kojofu|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|30-33|all=30%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|621|Crimgan|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-33|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry5|613|Kumasyun|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|33|all=10% (Winter only)|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/div|forest|Dark Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|520|Hatooboo|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|35-36|all=30% (Spring-Autumn only)|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|583|Baniricchi|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-33|all=30% (Winter only)|type1=Ice}}
{{catch/entry5|586|Mebukijika|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|34-36|all=30% (Spring-Autumn only)|type1=Normal|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|586W|Mebukijika|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|30-32|all=30% (Winter only)|type1=Normal|type2=Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|619|Kojofu|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-33|all=30%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|621|Crimgan|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31-33|all=10% (Spring-Autumn)|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry5|614|Tsunbear|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|33|all=10% (Winter only)|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/div|forest|Shaking Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|531|Tabunne|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|30-33|all=85% (Spring-Autumn) 90% (Winter)|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|587|Emonga|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|31|all=10%|type1=Electric|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|521|Kenhorou|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|33|all=5% (Spring-Autumn only)|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing}}
{{catch/entry5|550|Basslao|yes|no|N/A|Surf|15-35|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|550B|Basslao|no|yes|N/A|Surf|15-35|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Surfing Spots}}
{{catch/entry5|550|Basslao|no|yes|N/A|Surf|15-40|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|550B|Basslao|yes|no|N/A|Surf|15-40|all=100%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing}}
{{catch/entry5|147|Dratini|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-55|all=65%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry5|550|Basslao|yes|no|N/A|Fishing|35-55|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|550B|Basslao|no|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-55|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|148|Dragonair|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-55|all=10%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/div|water|Fishing Spots}}
{{catch/entry5|147|Dratini|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-60|all=60%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry5|550|Basslao|yes|no|N/A|Fishing|35-60|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|550B|Basslao|no|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-60|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|148|Dragonair|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-70|all=9%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry5|149|Dragonite|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|50-70|all=1%|type1=Dragon|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/footer|forest}}

====Inside====
{{Catch/header|rock}}
{{catch/entry5|622|Gobitto|yes|yes|N/A|1F|30-32|all=50%|type1=Ground|type2=Ghost}}
{{catch/entry5|621|Crimgan|yes|yes|N/A|1F|30-33|all=30%|type1=Dragon}}
{{catch/entry5|619|Kojofu|yes|yes|N/A|1F|33|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|622|Gobitto|yes|yes|N/A|2F|30-33|all=100%|type1=Ground|type2=Ghost}}
{{catch/div|rock|Special}}
{{catch/entry5|643|Reshiram|yes|no|N/A|Special|50|all=100%|type1=dragon|type2=fire}}
{{catch/entry5|644|Zekrom|no|yes|N/A|Special|50|all=100%|type1=dragon|type2=electric}}
{{Catch/footer|rock}}

==Trivia==
* {{p|Zekrom}}{{sup|W}} or {{p|Reshiram}}{{sup|Bl}} can be found here after the credits if the player had a full party and PC when prompted to catch them at [[N's Castle]], because players are not forced to catch them under these circumstances. However, the game is programmed so that they will not be {{Shiny}}.

{{Unova}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[de:Ryūrasen no Tō]]
[[ja:リュウラセンのとう]]

Gym Leader

2010-10-16T14:10:46Z

Bttsstewart: /* In the anime */

A '''Gym Leader''' (Japanese: '''ジムリーダー''' ''Gym Leader'') is the highest ranking member of a Pokémon [[Gym]]. The main job of a Gym Leader is to test Trainers and their Pokémon so that they are strong and resourceful enough to compete against the [[Elite Four]] in the games or the [[Pokémon League]] in the anime. If a {{pkmn|Trainer}} defeats a Gym Leader in battle, then the Trainer earns that Gym's [[Badge]].

A Gym Leader's job is not just to test upcoming Trainers. They must oversee how their respective gym is run and to maintain it. Great care must be taken to make sure that their gym reflects the best environment for the Pokémon type and playing style of choice, usually an environment that suits that type of Pokémon used there (like pools in a Water-type gym or flowers and plants in a Grass-type gym). According to [[Morty]], teaching young people how to battle with Pokémon can also be the job of a Gym Leader.

It has not exactly been made clear how Gym Leaders attain their position, but it appears that it varies for each gym. Some of them founded their gym and are self-appointed; others, such as [[Whitney]], are chosen by the other members of the region's Pokémon League. A few appear to be passed on through families: [[Janine]], [[Falkner]], and [[Flannery]] all take over their respective gyms from a close family member. However, Gyms don't necessarily belong to a particular family; [[Roark]] and his father [[Byron]] are both Gym Leaders at the same time, in different Gyms. Leaders can also choose to vacate their position; examples include [[Koga]], [[Giovanni]], and [[Wallace]].

Although similar in nature, [[Frontier Brain]]s are not considered Gym Leaders.

==Pokémon used==
Almost all Leaders rely on a single [[elemental type|type]] of Pokémon. For example, [[Erika]] uses only {{type2|Grass}} Pokémon in official Gym battles. Some Leaders, however, stray from this mold, albeit rarely. This is evidenced by the different types used by {{ga|Blue}} during his reign as the Gym Leader of the [[Viridian Gym]] in the Generation II games and their remakes.

Geography and climate can often be connected to the type of Pokémon the Gym Leader of that area uses. [[Pastoria Gym]] Leader, [[Crasher Wake]], uses {{type2|Water}} Pokémon, a direct allusion to the flooded marsh that surrounds the area and the constant downpour that plagues [[Pastoria City]]. Another example of this is the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, [[Blaine]], who uses {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon and lives in a volcanic area.

The character archetype can also reflect the type of Pokémon a Leader uses. For example, [[Roark]] and [[Byron]] are both miners, who use the related {{t|Rock}}- and {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon. [[Tate and Liza]] could be based on the archetype of twins who can communicate telepathically, and thus train {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon.

==In the games==
[[Image:Vs Brawly.png‎|frame|right|Leader [[Brawly]] challenges the player]]A '''Leader''' (Japanese: '''ジムリーダー''' ''Gym Leader'') is the [[Trainer class]] name the [[Pokémon games]] give Gym Leaders during battles. Despite Gym Leaders themselves being introduced in [[Generation I]], the name did not appear onscreen until [[Generation II]], and has been incorporated into every game since. Gym Leaders are integral within the Pokémon universe. In order for one to advance in the game, the player must occasionally challenge and defeat the leader of a [[Gym]]. Each game is designed in such a way that the player will not be able to move forward until they receive a [[Gym Badge]] which will, in turn, allow them to use a [[HM]] to overcome natural obstacles or visit previously explored areas. It is one of the player's main objectives to collect eight Gym Badges, allowing him or her to challenge the [[Elite Four]].

Leaders don't seem to be required to be in their Gyms at all times. [[Giovanni]], for example, could keep his Gym Leader title despite not being at the [[Viridian Gym]] for the majority of the events of [[Generation I]], and his successor, {{ga|Blue}}, also went absent from the Gym several times. Leaders are increasingly encountered outside of their Gyms, and even outside of their Gyms' regions, with each passing generation, such as [[Clair]] appearing in the [[Dragon's Den]] and [[Crasher Wake]] on the way to [[Stark Mountain]]. They can even challenge other Gyms and the [[Elite Four]] (like [[Volkner]] wanted to do). In later games, it is made apparent that Gym Leaders know each other and are acquainted with Gym Leaders from other regions, as well as with members of the [[Elite Four]] and [[Champion]]s. Examples of this are Jasmine being friends with [[Erika]], Volkner being friends with [[Flint]], [[Brawly]] training with [[Bruno]], and most [[Isshu]] Gym Leaders coming together to fight [[Team Plasma]]'s [[Seven Sages]].

===Gym Trainers===
In addition to Gym Leaders, there are also Gym Trainers. While not an official [[Trainer class]], they are Trainers that are either a devotee or apprentice to the Gym Leader. It is usually necessary to defeat multiple Gym Trainers before challenging the Gym Leader. Some Gyms in the game require the player to solve a puzzle, and one must often use Gym Trainers as obstacles to reach the solution. They have no direct impact on the overall plot, other than rarely offering the player helpful advice. It is also worth noting that the type of {{pkmn|Trainer}} appearing in a Gym will depend on the Gym itself. For instance, [[Gardenia]] employs {{tc|Aroma Lady|Aroma Ladies}} and {{tc|Beauty|Beauties}}, exclusively, while [[Misty]] recruits {{tc|Tuber}}s and {{tc|Swimmer}}s; these Gym Leaders represent the [[Elemental type|types]] {{t|Grass}} and {{t|Water}}, respectively.

==In the anime==
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Since there seem to be many more [[Gym]]s in the anime than in other media, it follows that there would be many more Gym Leaders.

In the anime, Gym Leaders seem to be forbidden from switching their Pokémon. Those that Ash encountered before [[Blaine]] did switch; however, since Ash's match against Blaine in ''[[EP058|Riddle Me This]]'', Gym Leaders have not switched out their Pokémon. In the games, they may switch their Pokémon as often as any other Trainer.

A notable occurrence in the anime is that one doesn't necessarily have to defeat the Gym Leader to obtain a Badge. Badges are given out on a case by case basis based on whether the Gym Leader feels that the trainer has earned it. Examples include Ash winning his early Gym Badges, not by defeating the Gym Leader, but with other selfless acts such as rescuing Erika's Pokémon from a burning Gym.

==In the manga==
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===Pokémon Adventures===
In [[Pokémon Adventures]], {{adv|Red}} and [[Falkner]] have to battle with Pokémon set by the Pokémon League, where those Pokémon are not controlled by Trainers and the challenger is not allowed to let any of his Pokémon faint.

==List of Gym Leaders==
===Indigo League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{kanto color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{kanto color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{kanto color dark}};" colspan="6" | {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Indigo League}}
|-style="background: #{{kanto color dark}};" align="center"
! colspan="3" | {{color|{{kanto color light}}|Generations {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Generation I|I}}, {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Generation II|II}}, {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Generation III|III}}, and {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Generation IV|IV}}}}
! colspan="3" | {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Kanto}}
|-
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{kanto color light}};" | {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{kanto color light}};" | {{color2|{{kanto color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{kanto color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{kanto color dark}}|Badge}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Rock|pic=VSBrock.png|ldr=Brock|djap=タケシ|drm=Takeshi|loc=Pewter City|cjap=ニビシティ|crm=Nibi City|bdge=Boulder}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Water|pic=VSMisty.png|ldr=Misty|djap=カスミ|drm=Kasumi|loc=Cerulean City|cjap=ハナダシティ|crm=Hanada City|bdg=Cascade}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Electric|pic=VSLt_Surge.png|ldr=Lt. Surge|djap=マチス|drm=Matis|loc=Vermilion City|cjap=クチバシティ|crm=Kuchiba City|bdg=Thunder}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Grass|pic=VSErika.png|ldr=Erika|djap=エリカ|drm=Erika|loc=Celadon City|cjap=タマムシシティ|crm=Tamamushi City|bdg=Rainbow}}
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:VSKoga.png]] [[Koga|{{color|{{poison color dark}}|Koga}}]] {{color|{{poison color dark}}|キョウ Kyō '''{{color2|{{kanto color}}|Generation I|I}} {{color2|{{hoenn color}}|Generation III|III}}'''}}
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:VSJanine.png]] [[Janine|{{color|{{poison color dark}}|Janine}}]] {{color|{{poison color dark}}|アンズ Anzu '''{{color2|{{johto color}}|Generation II|II}} {{color2|{{sinnoh color}}|Generation IV|IV}}'''}}
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | {{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Fuchsia City}} {{color|{{poison color dark}}|セキチクシティ Sekichiku City}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | {{color|{{poison color dark}}|{{tcolor|Poison|{{poison color dark}}}}}}
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Soul Badge.png|50px]] {{color|{{poison color dark}}|Soul Badge}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Psychic|pic=VSSabrina.png|ldr=Sabrina|djap=ナツメ|drm=Natsume|loc=Saffron City|cjap=ヤマブキシティ|crm=Yamabuki City|bdg=Marsh}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Fire|pic=VSBlaine.png|ldr=Blaine|djap=カツラ|drm=Katsura|loc=Cinnabar Island|cjap=グレンじま|crm=Guren Island '''{{color2|{{kanto color}}|Generation I|I}} {{color2|{{hoenn color}}|Generation III|III}}'''|loc2=Seafoam Islands|cjap2=ふたごじま|crm2=Twin Islands '''{{color2|{{johto color}}|Generation II|II}} {{color2|{{sinnoh color}}|Generation IV|IV}}'''|bdg=Volcano}}
{{gldrb2|type=Ground|pic=VSGiovanni.png|ldr=Giovanni|djap=サカキ|drm=Sakaki '''{{color2|{{kanto color}}|Generation I|I}} {{color2|{{hoenn color}}|Generation III|III}}'''|type2=Blue|t2=Various|pic2=VSBlue.png|ldr2=Blue (game)|altname2=Blue|djap2=グリーン|drm2=Green '''{{color2|{{johto color}}|Generation II|II}} {{color2|{{sinnoh color}}|Generation IV|IV}}'''|loc=Viridian City|cjap=トキワシティ|crm=Tokiwa City|bdg=Earth}}
|}
{{-}}

===Johto League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{johto color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{johto color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{johto color dark}};" colspan="4" | {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Johto League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{johto color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center" | {{color|{{johto color light}}|Generations {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Generation II|II}} and {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Generation IV|IV}}}}
! style="background: #{{johto color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center"| {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Johto}}
|-
! style="background: #{{johto color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{johto color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{johto color light}};" | {{color|{{johto color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{johto color light}};" | {{color2|{{johto color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{johto color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{johto color dark}}|Badge}}
{{gldr|type=Flying|pic=VSFalkner.png|ldr=Falkner|djap=ハヤト|drm=Hayato|loc=Violet City|cjap=キキョウシティ|crm=Kikyō City|bdg=Zephyr}}
{{gldr|type=Bug|pic=VSBugsy.png|ldr=Bugsy|djap=ツクシ|drm=Tsukushi|loc=Azalea Town|cjap=ヒワダタウン|crm=Hiwada Town|bdg=Hive}}
{{gldr|type=Normal|pic=VSWhitney.png|ldr=Whitney|djap=アカネ|drm=Akane|loc=Goldenrod City|cjap=コガネシティ|crm=Kogane City|bdg=Plain}}
{{gldr|type=Ghost|pic=VSMorty.png|ldr=Morty|djap=マツバ|drm=Matsuba|loc=Ecruteak City|cjap=エンジュシティ|crm=Enju City|bdg=Fog}}
{{gldr|type=Fighting|pic=VSChuck.png|ldr=Chuck|djap=シジマ|drm=Shijima|loc=Cianwood City|cjap=タンバシティ|crm=Tanba City|bdg=Storm}}
{{gldr|type=Steel|pic=VSJasmine.png|ldr=Jasmine|djap=ミカン|drm=Mikan|loc=Olivine City|cjap=アサギシティ|crm=Asagi City|bdg=Mineral}}
{{gldr|type=Ice|pic=VSPryce.png|ldr=Pryce|djap=ヤナギ|drm=Yanagi|loc=Mahogany Town|cjap=チョウジタウン|crm=Chōji Town|bdg=Glacier}}
{{gldrb|type=Dragon|pic=VSClair.png|ldr=Clair|djap=イブキ|drm=Ibuki|loc=Blackthorn City|cjap=フスベシティ|crm=Fusube City|bdg=Rising}}
|}
{{-}}

===Hoenn League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{hoenn color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{hoenn color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{hoenn color dark}};" colspan="5" | {{color2|{{hoenn color light}}|Hoenn League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color dark}};" colspan="3" align="center" | {{color2|{{hoenn color light}}|Generation III}}
! style="background: #{{hoenn color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center" | {{color2|{{hoenn color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|4fe34f|Hoenn}}
|-
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{hoenn color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}};" | {{color|{{hoenn color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}};" | {{color2|{{hoenn color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{hoenn color dark}}|Badge}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Rock|pic=SpriteRoxanne.png|ldr=Roxanne|djap=ツツジ|drm=Tsutsuji|loc=Rustboro City|cjap=カナズミシティ|crm=Kanazumi City|bdg=Stone}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Fighting|pic=SpriteBrawly.png|ldr=Brawly|djap=トウキ|drm=Tōki|loc=Dewford Town|cjap=ムロタウン|crm=Muro Town|bdg=Knuckle}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Electric|pic=SpriteWattson.png|ldr=Wattson|djap=テッセン|drm=Tessen|loc=Mauville City|cjap=キンセツシティ|crm=Kinsetsu City|bdg=Dynamo}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Fire|pic=SpriteFlannery.png|ldr=Flannery|djap=アスナ|drm=Asuna|loc=Lavaridge Town|cjap=フエンタウン|crm=Fuen Town|bdg=Heat}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Normal|pic=SpriteNorman.png|ldr=Norman|djap=センリ|drm=Senri|loc=Petalburg City|cjap=トウカシティ|crm=Tōka City|bdg=Balance}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Flying|pic=SpriteWinona.png|ldr=Winona|djap=ナギ|drm=Nagi|loc=Fortree City|cjap=ヒワマキシティ|crm=Hiwamaki City|bdg=Feather}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Psychic|pic=SpriteTateandLiza.png|ldr=Tate and Liza|djap=フウとラン|drm=Fū and Lan|loc=Mossdeep City|cjap=トクサネシティ|crm=Tokusane City|bdg=Mind}}
{{gldrb2|type=Water|pic=SpriteWallace.png|ldr=Wallace|djap=ミクリ|drm=Mikuri{{sup|RS}}|loc=Sootopolis City|cjap=ルネシティ|crm=Rune City|bdg=Rain|pic2=SpriteJuan.png|ldr2=Juan|djap2=アダン|drm2=Adan{{sup|E}}}}
|}
{{-}}

===Sinnoh League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{sinnoh color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{sinnoh color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color dark}};" colspan="4" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color light}}|Sinnoh League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color light}}|Generation IV}}
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{sinnoh color light}}|Sinnoh}}
|-
! colspan="1" style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}};" | {{color|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}};" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Badge}}
{{gldr|type=Rock|pic=VSRoark.png|ldr=Roark|djap=ヒョウタ|drm=Hyouta|loc=Oreburgh City|cjap=クロガネシティ|crm=Kurogane City|bdg=Coal}}
{{gldr|type=Grass|pic=VSGardenia.png|ldr=Gardenia|djap=ナタネ|drm=Natane|loc=Eterna City|cjap=ハクタイシティ|crm=Hakutai City|bdg=Forest}}
{{gldr|type=Fighting|pic=VSMaylene.png|ldr=Maylene|djap=スモモ|drm=Sumomo|loc=Veilstone City|cjap=トバリシティ|crm=Tobari City||bdg=Cobble}}
{{gldr|type=Water|pic=VSCrasher Wake.png|ldr=Crasher Wake|djap=マキシマム仮面|drm=Maximum Mask|loc=Pastoria City|cjap=ノモセシティ|crm=Nomose City|bdg=Fen}}
{{gldr|type=Ghost|pic=VSFantina.png|ldr=Fantina|djap=メリッサ|drm=Melissa|loc=Hearthome City|cjap=ヨスガシティ|crm=Yosuga City|bdg=Relic}}
{{gldr|type=Steel|pic=VSByron.png|ldr=Byron|djap=トウガン|drm=Tougan|loc=Canalave City|cjap=ミオシティ|crm=Mio City|bdg=Mine}}
{{gldr|type=Ice|pic=VSCandice.png|ldr=Candice|djap=スズナ|drm=Suzuna|loc=Snowpoint City|cjap=キッサキシティ|crm=Kissaki City|bdg=Icicle}}
{{gldrb|type=Electric|pic=VSVolkner.png|ldr=Volkner|djap=デンジ|drm=Denzi|loc=Sunyshore City|cjap=ナギサシティ|crm=Nagisa City|bdg=Beacon}}
|}
{{-}}

===Isshu League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{isshu color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{isshu color}};" colspan=9 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{isshu color dark}};" colspan="9" | {{color2|{{isshu color light}}|Isshu League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{isshu color dark}};" colspan="6" align="center" | {{color2|{{isshu color light}}|Generation V}}
! style="background: #{{isshu color dark}};" colspan="6" align="center" | {{color2|{{isshu color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{isshu color light}}|Isshu}}
|-
! colspan="1" style="background: #{{isshu color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" colspan="6" | {{color|{{isshu color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{isshu color light}};" | {{color|{{isshu color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{isshu color light}};" | {{color2|{{isshu color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{isshu color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{isshu color dark}}|Badge}}

|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{grass color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSDent.png]] [[Dent|{{color|{{grass color dark}}|Dent}}]] {{color|{{grass color dark}}|デント Dent}}
| style="background: #{{fire color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSPod.png]] [[Pod|{{color|{{fire color dark}}|Pod}}]] {{color|{{fire color dark}}|ポッド Pod}}
| style="background: #{{water color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSCorn.png]] [[Corn|{{color|{{water color dark}}|Corn}}]] {{color|{{water color dark}}|コーン Corn}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | {{color2|{{??? color dark}}|Sanyou City}} {{color|{{??? color dark}}|サンヨウシティ Sanyou City}}
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}; color:#{{fire color dark}}" | {{color|{{??? color dark}}|{{tcolor|Grass|{{grass color dark}}}}, {{tcolor|Fire|{{fire color dark}}}} and {{tcolor|Water|{{water color dark}}}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" | [[File:Tri Badge.png|50px]] {{color|{{water color dark}}|Tri Badge}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{??? color}}"
{{gldr|type=Normal|col=6|pic=VSAloe.png|ldr=Aloe|djap=アロエ|drm=Aloe|loc=Shippou City|cjap=シッポウシティ|crm=Shippou City|bdg=Basic|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Bug|col=6|pic=VSArti.png|ldr=Arti|djap=アーティ|drm=Arti|loc=Hiun City|cjap=ヒウンシティ|crm=Hiun City|bdg=Beetle|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Electric|col=6|pic=VSKamitsure.png|ldr=Kamitsure|djap=カミツレ|drm=Kamitsure|loc=Raimon City|cjap=ライモンシティ|crm=Raimon City|bdg=Bolt|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ground|col=6|pic=VSYacon.png|ldr=Yacon|djap=ヤーコン|drm=Yacon|loc=Hodomoe City|cjap=ホドモエシティ|crm=Hodomoe City|bdg=Quake|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Flying|col=6|pic=VSFuuro.png|ldr=Fuuro|djap=フウロ|drm=Fuuro|loc=Fukiyose City|cjap=フキヨセシティ|crm=Fukiyose City|bdg=Jet|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ice|col=6|pic=VSHachiku.png|ldr=Hachiku|djap=ハチク|drm=Hachiku|loc=Sekka City|cjap=セッカシティ|crm=Sekka City|bdg=Icicle|region=Isshu|px=50}}
{{gldrb2|type=Dragon|col=3|pic=VSShaga.png|ldr=Shaga|djap=シャガ|drm=Shaga{{sup|Bl}}|pic2=VSIris.png|ldr2=Iris|djap2=アイリス|drm2=Iris{{sup|W}}|loc=Souryuu City|cjap=ソウリュウシティ|crm=Souryuu City|bdg=Legend|px=50}}
|}
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===Orange League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{orange color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{orange color}};" colspan=8 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{orange color dark}};" colspan="4" | {{color2|{{orange color light}}|Orange League}}
|-
! colspan="2" align="center" | {{color2|{{orange color light}}|Pokémon anime|Anime-exclusive}}
! style="background: #{{orange color dark}};" align="center" colspan="2" | {{color2|{{orange color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{orange color light}}|Orange Archipelago}}
|-
! style="background: #{{orange color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{orange color dark}}|Orange Crew|Crew Member}} {{color|{{orange color dark}}|Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{orange color light}};" | {{color|{{orange color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{orange color light}};" | {{color|{{orange color dark}}|Challenge}}
! style="background: #{{orange color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|{{orange color dark}}|Prize}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{water color light}}"
| [[Image:CissySmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Cissy}} {{color|{{water color dark}}|アツミ Atsumi}}
| {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Mikan Island}} {{color|{{water color dark}}|ナツカン島 Natsukan Island}}
| {{color|{{water color dark}}|{{color2|{{water color dark}}|Water Gun (move)|Water Gun}} target test {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Surf (move)|Surfing}} race}}
| [[Image:Coraleyebadge.png|40px]] {{color|{{water color dark}}|Coral-Eye Badge}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{ground color light}}"
| [[Image:DannySmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Danny}} {{color|{{ground color dark}}|ダン Dan}}
| {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Navel Island}} {{color|{{ground color dark}}|ネーブル島 Navel Island}}
| {{color|{{ground color dark}}|Climb mountain (to qualify) Freeze a geyser race Build a Toboggan race Toboggan race}}
| [[Image:Searubybadge.png|40px]] {{color|{{ground color dark}}|Sea Ruby Badge}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{grass color light}}"
| [[Image:RudySmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{grass color dark}}|Rudy}} {{color|{{grass color dark}}|ジギー Ziggy}}
| {{color2|{{grass color dark}}|Trovita Island}} {{color|{{grass color dark}}|ユズ島 Yuzu Island}}
| {{color|{{grass color dark}}|Target test Same-type Pokémon battle}}
| [[Image:Spikeshellbadge.png|40px]] {{color|{{grass color dark}}|Spike Shell Badge}}

|- align="center" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}"
| [[Image:LuanaSmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Luana}} {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|ルリコ Ruriko}}
| {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Kumquat Island}} {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|リュウチン島 Ryūchin Island}}
| {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Double battle}}
| [[Image:Jadestarbadge.png|40px]] {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Jade Star Badge}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[Image:DrakeSmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Drake (Orange League)|Drake}} {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|ユウジ Yūji}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}};" | {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Pummelo Island}} {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|カンキツ島 Kankitsu Island}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}};" | {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Traditional six-on-six battle}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Winner's Trophy}} {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Honor at the}} {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Palace of Victory}}
|}
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==Trivia==
* Every Gym Leader that specializes in {{type2|Rock}}, {{type2|Ghost}}, and {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon uses {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Gengar}}, and {{p|Steelix}} respectively in battle.
* Even though there are forty known gyms in the games, there has not yet been a gym specializing in {{type2|Dark}} Pokémon, although there have been three [[Elite Four]] members, [[Karen]], [[Sidney]] and [[Giima]]. Only {{type2|Poison}} gyms are not located in multiple regions. Each of the fifteen other types has been repeated at least once, and {{t|Water}} and {{type2|Electric}} gyms appear in four of the five regions.
* The only Gym Leaders so far whose parents have been seen in the anime are [[Brock]], [[Sabrina]], [[Tate and Liza]], and [[Roark]]. They all train either {{type2|Rock}} or {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon.
** Janine, Roark and Maylene are the only ones who have a parent the {{player}} can encounter in the games.
** The player also encounters Blue's grandfather.
* For ''[[DP009|Setting the World on its Buneary]]'', [[Professor Oak's lecture]] is about Gym Leaders. He writes this [[Pokémon senryū]] about them: ジムリーダー　いのちをかけて　かかってこい ''Jimu Rīdā / Inochi o kakete / Kakatte koi'' "Gym Leader, put your life on the line and challenge me"
* In the Johto saga of the anime, none of the Gym Leaders had the exact same lineups as they do in the games.
* Three of the five first gyms are Rock-type Gyms.
* The Hoenn Gym Leaders are the only ones not to have VS sprites, since these sprites weren't introduced until [[Generation IV]].

==In other languages==
*In Dutch, the Gym Leader is known as ''Gym Leider''.
*In Polish, the Gym Leader is known as ''Lider Sali''.
*In Portuguese, the Gym Leader is known as ''Líder de Ginásio''.

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Gym Leader

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Bttsstewart: /* In the anime */

A '''Gym Leader''' (Japanese: '''ジムリーダー''' ''Gym Leader'') is the highest ranking member of a Pokémon [[Gym]]. The main job of a Gym Leader is to test Trainers and their Pokémon so that they are strong and resourceful enough to compete against the [[Elite Four]] in the games or the [[Pokémon League]] in the anime. If a {{pkmn|Trainer}} defeats a Gym Leader in battle, then the Trainer earns that Gym's [[Badge]].

A Gym Leader's job is not just to test upcoming Trainers. They must oversee how their respective gym is run and to maintain it. Great care must be taken to make sure that their gym reflects the best environment for the Pokémon type and playing style of choice, usually an environment that suits that type of Pokémon used there (like pools in a Water-type gym or flowers and plants in a Grass-type gym). According to [[Morty]], teaching young people how to battle with Pokémon can also be the job of a Gym Leader.

It has not exactly been made clear how Gym Leaders attain their position, but it appears that it varies for each gym. Some of them founded their gym and are self-appointed; others, such as [[Whitney]], are chosen by the other members of the region's Pokémon League. A few appear to be passed on through families: [[Janine]], [[Falkner]], and [[Flannery]] all take over their respective gyms from a close family member. However, Gyms don't necessarily belong to a particular family; [[Roark]] and his father [[Byron]] are both Gym Leaders at the same time, in different Gyms. Leaders can also choose to vacate their position; examples include [[Koga]], [[Giovanni]], and [[Wallace]].

Although similar in nature, [[Frontier Brain]]s are not considered Gym Leaders.

==Pokémon used==
Almost all Leaders rely on a single [[elemental type|type]] of Pokémon. For example, [[Erika]] uses only {{type2|Grass}} Pokémon in official Gym battles. Some Leaders, however, stray from this mold, albeit rarely. This is evidenced by the different types used by {{ga|Blue}} during his reign as the Gym Leader of the [[Viridian Gym]] in the Generation II games and their remakes.

Geography and climate can often be connected to the type of Pokémon the Gym Leader of that area uses. [[Pastoria Gym]] Leader, [[Crasher Wake]], uses {{type2|Water}} Pokémon, a direct allusion to the flooded marsh that surrounds the area and the constant downpour that plagues [[Pastoria City]]. Another example of this is the [[Cinnabar Gym]] Leader, [[Blaine]], who uses {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon and lives in a volcanic area.

The character archetype can also reflect the type of Pokémon a Leader uses. For example, [[Roark]] and [[Byron]] are both miners, who use the related {{t|Rock}}- and {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon. [[Tate and Liza]] could be based on the archetype of twins who can communicate telepathically, and thus train {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon.

==In the games==
[[Image:Vs Brawly.png‎|frame|right|Leader [[Brawly]] challenges the player]]A '''Leader''' (Japanese: '''ジムリーダー''' ''Gym Leader'') is the [[Trainer class]] name the [[Pokémon games]] give Gym Leaders during battles. Despite Gym Leaders themselves being introduced in [[Generation I]], the name did not appear onscreen until [[Generation II]], and has been incorporated into every game since. Gym Leaders are integral within the Pokémon universe. In order for one to advance in the game, the player must occasionally challenge and defeat the leader of a [[Gym]]. Each game is designed in such a way that the player will not be able to move forward until they receive a [[Gym Badge]] which will, in turn, allow them to use a [[HM]] to overcome natural obstacles or visit previously explored areas. It is one of the player's main objectives to collect eight Gym Badges, allowing him or her to challenge the [[Elite Four]].

Leaders don't seem to be required to be in their Gyms at all times. [[Giovanni]], for example, could keep his Gym Leader title despite not being at the [[Viridian Gym]] for the majority of the events of [[Generation I]], and his successor, {{ga|Blue}}, also went absent from the Gym several times. Leaders are increasingly encountered outside of their Gyms, and even outside of their Gyms' regions, with each passing generation, such as [[Clair]] appearing in the [[Dragon's Den]] and [[Crasher Wake]] on the way to [[Stark Mountain]]. They can even challenge other Gyms and the [[Elite Four]] (like [[Volkner]] wanted to do). In later games, it is made apparent that Gym Leaders know each other and are acquainted with Gym Leaders from other regions, as well as with members of the [[Elite Four]] and [[Champion]]s. Examples of this are Jasmine being friends with [[Erika]], Volkner being friends with [[Flint]], [[Brawly]] training with [[Bruno]], and most [[Isshu]] Gym Leaders coming together to fight [[Team Plasma]]'s [[Seven Sages]].

===Gym Trainers===
In addition to Gym Leaders, there are also Gym Trainers. While not an official [[Trainer class]], they are Trainers that are either a devotee or apprentice to the Gym Leader. It is usually necessary to defeat multiple Gym Trainers before challenging the Gym Leader. Some Gyms in the game require the player to solve a puzzle, and one must often use Gym Trainers as obstacles to reach the solution. They have no direct impact on the overall plot, other than rarely offering the player helpful advice. It is also worth noting that the type of {{pkmn|Trainer}} appearing in a Gym will depend on the Gym itself. For instance, [[Gardenia]] employs {{tc|Aroma Lady|Aroma Ladies}} and {{tc|Beauty|Beauties}}, exclusively, while [[Misty]] recruits {{tc|Tuber}}s and {{tc|Swimmer}}s; these Gym Leaders represent the [[Elemental type|types]] {{t|Grass}} and {{t|Water}}, respectively.

==In the anime==
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Since there seem to be many more [[Gym]]s in the anime than in other media, it follows that there would be many more Gym Leaders.

In the anime, Gym Leaders seem to be forbidden from switching their Pokémon. Those that Ash encountered before [[Blaine]] did switch; however, since Ash's match against Blaine in ''[[EP058|Riddle Me This]]'', Gym Leaders have not switched out their Pokémon. In the games, they may switch their Pokémon as often as any other Trainer.

A notable occurrence in the anime is that one doesn't necessarily have to defeat the Gym Leader to obtain a Badge. Badges are given out on a case by case basis based on whether the Gym Leader feels that the trainer has earned it. Examples include Ash winning his early Gym Badges, not by defeating the Gym Leader, but with other selfless acts such as rescuing Erika's pokemon from a burning Gym.

==In the manga==
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===Pokémon Adventures===
In [[Pokémon Adventures]], {{adv|Red}} and [[Falkner]] have to battle with Pokémon set by the Pokémon League, where those Pokémon are not controlled by Trainers and the challenger is not allowed to let any of his Pokémon faint.

==List of Gym Leaders==
===Indigo League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{kanto color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{kanto color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{kanto color dark}};" colspan="6" | {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Indigo League}}
|-style="background: #{{kanto color dark}};" align="center"
! colspan="3" | {{color|{{kanto color light}}|Generations {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Generation I|I}}, {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Generation II|II}}, {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Generation III|III}}, and {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Generation IV|IV}}}}
! colspan="3" | {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{kanto color light}}|Kanto}}
|-
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{kanto color light}};" | {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{kanto color light}};" | {{color2|{{kanto color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{kanto color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{kanto color dark}}|Badge}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Rock|pic=VSBrock.png|ldr=Brock|djap=タケシ|drm=Takeshi|loc=Pewter City|cjap=ニビシティ|crm=Nibi City|bdge=Boulder}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Water|pic=VSMisty.png|ldr=Misty|djap=カスミ|drm=Kasumi|loc=Cerulean City|cjap=ハナダシティ|crm=Hanada City|bdg=Cascade}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Electric|pic=VSLt_Surge.png|ldr=Lt. Surge|djap=マチス|drm=Matis|loc=Vermilion City|cjap=クチバシティ|crm=Kuchiba City|bdg=Thunder}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Grass|pic=VSErika.png|ldr=Erika|djap=エリカ|drm=Erika|loc=Celadon City|cjap=タマムシシティ|crm=Tamamushi City|bdg=Rainbow}}
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:VSKoga.png]] [[Koga|{{color|{{poison color dark}}|Koga}}]] {{color|{{poison color dark}}|キョウ Kyō '''{{color2|{{kanto color}}|Generation I|I}} {{color2|{{hoenn color}}|Generation III|III}}'''}}
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:VSJanine.png]] [[Janine|{{color|{{poison color dark}}|Janine}}]] {{color|{{poison color dark}}|アンズ Anzu '''{{color2|{{johto color}}|Generation II|II}} {{color2|{{sinnoh color}}|Generation IV|IV}}'''}}
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | {{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Fuchsia City}} {{color|{{poison color dark}}|セキチクシティ Sekichiku City}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | {{color|{{poison color dark}}|{{tcolor|Poison|{{poison color dark}}}}}}
| style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Soul Badge.png|50px]] {{color|{{poison color dark}}|Soul Badge}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Psychic|pic=VSSabrina.png|ldr=Sabrina|djap=ナツメ|drm=Natsume|loc=Saffron City|cjap=ヤマブキシティ|crm=Yamabuki City|bdg=Marsh}}
{{gldr|col=2|tcol=2|type=Fire|pic=VSBlaine.png|ldr=Blaine|djap=カツラ|drm=Katsura|loc=Cinnabar Island|cjap=グレンじま|crm=Guren Island '''{{color2|{{kanto color}}|Generation I|I}} {{color2|{{hoenn color}}|Generation III|III}}'''|loc2=Seafoam Islands|cjap2=ふたごじま|crm2=Twin Islands '''{{color2|{{johto color}}|Generation II|II}} {{color2|{{sinnoh color}}|Generation IV|IV}}'''|bdg=Volcano}}
{{gldrb2|type=Ground|pic=VSGiovanni.png|ldr=Giovanni|djap=サカキ|drm=Sakaki '''{{color2|{{kanto color}}|Generation I|I}} {{color2|{{hoenn color}}|Generation III|III}}'''|type2=Blue|t2=Various|pic2=VSBlue.png|ldr2=Blue (game)|altname2=Blue|djap2=グリーン|drm2=Green '''{{color2|{{johto color}}|Generation II|II}} {{color2|{{sinnoh color}}|Generation IV|IV}}'''|loc=Viridian City|cjap=トキワシティ|crm=Tokiwa City|bdg=Earth}}
|}
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===Johto League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{johto color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{johto color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{johto color dark}};" colspan="4" | {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Johto League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{johto color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center" | {{color|{{johto color light}}|Generations {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Generation II|II}} and {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Generation IV|IV}}}}
! style="background: #{{johto color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center"| {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{johto color light}}|Johto}}
|-
! style="background: #{{johto color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{johto color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{johto color light}};" | {{color|{{johto color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{johto color light}};" | {{color2|{{johto color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{johto color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{johto color dark}}|Badge}}
{{gldr|type=Flying|pic=VSFalkner.png|ldr=Falkner|djap=ハヤト|drm=Hayato|loc=Violet City|cjap=キキョウシティ|crm=Kikyō City|bdg=Zephyr}}
{{gldr|type=Bug|pic=VSBugsy.png|ldr=Bugsy|djap=ツクシ|drm=Tsukushi|loc=Azalea Town|cjap=ヒワダタウン|crm=Hiwada Town|bdg=Hive}}
{{gldr|type=Normal|pic=VSWhitney.png|ldr=Whitney|djap=アカネ|drm=Akane|loc=Goldenrod City|cjap=コガネシティ|crm=Kogane City|bdg=Plain}}
{{gldr|type=Ghost|pic=VSMorty.png|ldr=Morty|djap=マツバ|drm=Matsuba|loc=Ecruteak City|cjap=エンジュシティ|crm=Enju City|bdg=Fog}}
{{gldr|type=Fighting|pic=VSChuck.png|ldr=Chuck|djap=シジマ|drm=Shijima|loc=Cianwood City|cjap=タンバシティ|crm=Tanba City|bdg=Storm}}
{{gldr|type=Steel|pic=VSJasmine.png|ldr=Jasmine|djap=ミカン|drm=Mikan|loc=Olivine City|cjap=アサギシティ|crm=Asagi City|bdg=Mineral}}
{{gldr|type=Ice|pic=VSPryce.png|ldr=Pryce|djap=ヤナギ|drm=Yanagi|loc=Mahogany Town|cjap=チョウジタウン|crm=Chōji Town|bdg=Glacier}}
{{gldrb|type=Dragon|pic=VSClair.png|ldr=Clair|djap=イブキ|drm=Ibuki|loc=Blackthorn City|cjap=フスベシティ|crm=Fusube City|bdg=Rising}}
|}
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===Hoenn League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{hoenn color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{hoenn color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{hoenn color dark}};" colspan="5" | {{color2|{{hoenn color light}}|Hoenn League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color dark}};" colspan="3" align="center" | {{color2|{{hoenn color light}}|Generation III}}
! style="background: #{{hoenn color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center" | {{color2|{{hoenn color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|4fe34f|Hoenn}}
|-
! colspan="2" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{hoenn color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}};" | {{color|{{hoenn color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}};" | {{color2|{{hoenn color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{hoenn color dark}}|Badge}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Rock|pic=SpriteRoxanne.png|ldr=Roxanne|djap=ツツジ|drm=Tsutsuji|loc=Rustboro City|cjap=カナズミシティ|crm=Kanazumi City|bdg=Stone}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Fighting|pic=SpriteBrawly.png|ldr=Brawly|djap=トウキ|drm=Tōki|loc=Dewford Town|cjap=ムロタウン|crm=Muro Town|bdg=Knuckle}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Electric|pic=SpriteWattson.png|ldr=Wattson|djap=テッセン|drm=Tessen|loc=Mauville City|cjap=キンセツシティ|crm=Kinsetsu City|bdg=Dynamo}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Fire|pic=SpriteFlannery.png|ldr=Flannery|djap=アスナ|drm=Asuna|loc=Lavaridge Town|cjap=フエンタウン|crm=Fuen Town|bdg=Heat}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Normal|pic=SpriteNorman.png|ldr=Norman|djap=センリ|drm=Senri|loc=Petalburg City|cjap=トウカシティ|crm=Tōka City|bdg=Balance}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Flying|pic=SpriteWinona.png|ldr=Winona|djap=ナギ|drm=Nagi|loc=Fortree City|cjap=ヒワマキシティ|crm=Hiwamaki City|bdg=Feather}}
{{gldr|col=2|type=Psychic|pic=SpriteTateandLiza.png|ldr=Tate and Liza|djap=フウとラン|drm=Fū and Lan|loc=Mossdeep City|cjap=トクサネシティ|crm=Tokusane City|bdg=Mind}}
{{gldrb2|type=Water|pic=SpriteWallace.png|ldr=Wallace|djap=ミクリ|drm=Mikuri{{sup|RS}}|loc=Sootopolis City|cjap=ルネシティ|crm=Rune City|bdg=Rain|pic2=SpriteJuan.png|ldr2=Juan|djap2=アダン|drm2=Adan{{sup|E}}}}
|}
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===Sinnoh League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{sinnoh color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{sinnoh color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color dark}};" colspan="4" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color light}}|Sinnoh League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color light}}|Generation IV}}
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color dark}};" colspan="2" align="center" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{sinnoh color light}}|Sinnoh}}
|-
! colspan="1" style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}};" | {{color|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}};" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Badge}}
{{gldr|type=Rock|pic=VSRoark.png|ldr=Roark|djap=ヒョウタ|drm=Hyouta|loc=Oreburgh City|cjap=クロガネシティ|crm=Kurogane City|bdg=Coal}}
{{gldr|type=Grass|pic=VSGardenia.png|ldr=Gardenia|djap=ナタネ|drm=Natane|loc=Eterna City|cjap=ハクタイシティ|crm=Hakutai City|bdg=Forest}}
{{gldr|type=Fighting|pic=VSMaylene.png|ldr=Maylene|djap=スモモ|drm=Sumomo|loc=Veilstone City|cjap=トバリシティ|crm=Tobari City||bdg=Cobble}}
{{gldr|type=Water|pic=VSCrasher Wake.png|ldr=Crasher Wake|djap=マキシマム仮面|drm=Maximum Mask|loc=Pastoria City|cjap=ノモセシティ|crm=Nomose City|bdg=Fen}}
{{gldr|type=Ghost|pic=VSFantina.png|ldr=Fantina|djap=メリッサ|drm=Melissa|loc=Hearthome City|cjap=ヨスガシティ|crm=Yosuga City|bdg=Relic}}
{{gldr|type=Steel|pic=VSByron.png|ldr=Byron|djap=トウガン|drm=Tougan|loc=Canalave City|cjap=ミオシティ|crm=Mio City|bdg=Mine}}
{{gldr|type=Ice|pic=VSCandice.png|ldr=Candice|djap=スズナ|drm=Suzuna|loc=Snowpoint City|cjap=キッサキシティ|crm=Kissaki City|bdg=Icicle}}
{{gldrb|type=Electric|pic=VSVolkner.png|ldr=Volkner|djap=デンジ|drm=Denzi|loc=Sunyshore City|cjap=ナギサシティ|crm=Nagisa City|bdg=Beacon}}
|}
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===Isshu League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{isshu color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{isshu color}};" colspan=9 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{isshu color dark}};" colspan="9" | {{color2|{{isshu color light}}|Isshu League}}
|-
! style="background: #{{isshu color dark}};" colspan="6" align="center" | {{color2|{{isshu color light}}|Generation V}}
! style="background: #{{isshu color dark}};" colspan="6" align="center" | {{color2|{{isshu color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{isshu color light}}|Isshu}}
|-
! colspan="1" style="background: #{{isshu color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" colspan="6" | {{color|{{isshu color dark}}|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{isshu color light}};" | {{color|{{isshu color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{isshu color light}};" | {{color2|{{isshu color dark}}|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #{{isshu color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{isshu color dark}}|Badge}}

|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{grass color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSDent.png]] [[Dent|{{color|{{grass color dark}}|Dent}}]] {{color|{{grass color dark}}|デント Dent}}
| style="background: #{{fire color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSPod.png]] [[Pod|{{color|{{fire color dark}}|Pod}}]] {{color|{{fire color dark}}|ポッド Pod}}
| style="background: #{{water color light}}" colspan="2" | [[File:VSCorn.png]] [[Corn|{{color|{{water color dark}}|Corn}}]] {{color|{{water color dark}}|コーン Corn}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | {{color2|{{??? color dark}}|Sanyou City}} {{color|{{??? color dark}}|サンヨウシティ Sanyou City}}
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}; color:#{{fire color dark}}" | {{color|{{??? color dark}}|{{tcolor|Grass|{{grass color dark}}}}, {{tcolor|Fire|{{fire color dark}}}} and {{tcolor|Water|{{water color dark}}}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}" | [[File:Tri Badge.png|50px]] {{color|{{water color dark}}|Tri Badge}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{??? color}}"
{{gldr|type=Normal|col=6|pic=VSAloe.png|ldr=Aloe|djap=アロエ|drm=Aloe|loc=Shippou City|cjap=シッポウシティ|crm=Shippou City|bdg=Basic|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Bug|col=6|pic=VSArti.png|ldr=Arti|djap=アーティ|drm=Arti|loc=Hiun City|cjap=ヒウンシティ|crm=Hiun City|bdg=Beetle|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Electric|col=6|pic=VSKamitsure.png|ldr=Kamitsure|djap=カミツレ|drm=Kamitsure|loc=Raimon City|cjap=ライモンシティ|crm=Raimon City|bdg=Bolt|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ground|col=6|pic=VSYacon.png|ldr=Yacon|djap=ヤーコン|drm=Yacon|loc=Hodomoe City|cjap=ホドモエシティ|crm=Hodomoe City|bdg=Quake|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Flying|col=6|pic=VSFuuro.png|ldr=Fuuro|djap=フウロ|drm=Fuuro|loc=Fukiyose City|cjap=フキヨセシティ|crm=Fukiyose City|bdg=Jet|px=50}}
{{gldr|type=Ice|col=6|pic=VSHachiku.png|ldr=Hachiku|djap=ハチク|drm=Hachiku|loc=Sekka City|cjap=セッカシティ|crm=Sekka City|bdg=Icicle|region=Isshu|px=50}}
{{gldrb2|type=Dragon|col=3|pic=VSShaga.png|ldr=Shaga|djap=シャガ|drm=Shaga{{sup|Bl}}|pic2=VSIris.png|ldr2=Iris|djap2=アイリス|drm2=Iris{{sup|W}}|loc=Souryuu City|cjap=ソウリュウシティ|crm=Souryuu City|bdg=Legend|px=50}}
|}
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===Orange League===
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #{{orange color dark}}; border: 4px solid #{{orange color}};" colspan=8 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{orange color dark}};" colspan="4" | {{color2|{{orange color light}}|Orange League}}
|-
! colspan="2" align="center" | {{color2|{{orange color light}}|Pokémon anime|Anime-exclusive}}
! style="background: #{{orange color dark}};" align="center" colspan="2" | {{color2|{{orange color light}}|Region|Region:}} {{color2|{{orange color light}}|Orange Archipelago}}
|-
! style="background: #{{orange color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{orange color dark}}|Orange Crew|Crew Member}} {{color|{{orange color dark}}|Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{orange color light}};" | {{color|{{orange color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #{{orange color light}};" | {{color|{{orange color dark}}|Challenge}}
! style="background: #{{orange color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|{{orange color dark}}|Prize}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{water color light}}"
| [[Image:CissySmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Cissy}} {{color|{{water color dark}}|アツミ Atsumi}}
| {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Mikan Island}} {{color|{{water color dark}}|ナツカン島 Natsukan Island}}
| {{color|{{water color dark}}|{{color2|{{water color dark}}|Water Gun (move)|Water Gun}} target test {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Surf (move)|Surfing}} race}}
| [[Image:Coraleyebadge.png|40px]] {{color|{{water color dark}}|Coral-Eye Badge}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{ground color light}}"
| [[Image:DannySmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Danny}} {{color|{{ground color dark}}|ダン Dan}}
| {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Navel Island}} {{color|{{ground color dark}}|ネーブル島 Navel Island}}
| {{color|{{ground color dark}}|Climb mountain (to qualify) Freeze a geyser race Build a Toboggan race Toboggan race}}
| [[Image:Searubybadge.png|40px]] {{color|{{ground color dark}}|Sea Ruby Badge}}
|- align="center" style="background:#{{grass color light}}"
| [[Image:RudySmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{grass color dark}}|Rudy}} {{color|{{grass color dark}}|ジギー Ziggy}}
| {{color2|{{grass color dark}}|Trovita Island}} {{color|{{grass color dark}}|ユズ島 Yuzu Island}}
| {{color|{{grass color dark}}|Target test Same-type Pokémon battle}}
| [[Image:Spikeshellbadge.png|40px]] {{color|{{grass color dark}}|Spike Shell Badge}}

|- align="center" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}"
| [[Image:LuanaSmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Luana}} {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|ルリコ Ruriko}}
| {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Kumquat Island}} {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|リュウチン島 Ryūchin Island}}
| {{color2|{{psychic color dark}}|Double battle}}
| [[Image:Jadestarbadge.png|40px]] {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Jade Star Badge}}
|- align="center"
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[Image:DrakeSmall.png|100px]] {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Drake (Orange League)|Drake}} {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|ユウジ Yūji}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}};" | {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Pummelo Island}} {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|カンキツ島 Kankitsu Island}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}};" | {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Traditional six-on-six battle}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Winner's Trophy}} {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Honor at the}} {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Palace of Victory}}
|}
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==Trivia==
* Every Gym Leader that specializes in {{type2|Rock}}, {{type2|Ghost}}, and {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon uses {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Gengar}}, and {{p|Steelix}} respectively in battle.
* Even though there are forty known gyms in the games, there has not yet been a gym specializing in {{type2|Dark}} Pokémon, although there have been three [[Elite Four]] members, [[Karen]], [[Sidney]] and [[Giima]]. Only {{type2|Poison}} gyms are not located in multiple regions. Each of the fifteen other types has been repeated at least once, and {{t|Water}} and {{type2|Electric}} gyms appear in four of the five regions.
* The only Gym Leaders so far whose parents have been seen in the anime are [[Brock]], [[Sabrina]], [[Tate and Liza]], and [[Roark]]. They all train either {{type2|Rock}} or {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon.
** Janine, Roark and Maylene are the only ones who have a parent the {{player}} can encounter in the games.
** The player also encounters Blue's grandfather.
* For ''[[DP009|Setting the World on its Buneary]]'', [[Professor Oak's lecture]] is about Gym Leaders. He writes this [[Pokémon senryū]] about them: ジムリーダー　いのちをかけて　かかってこい ''Jimu Rīdā / Inochi o kakete / Kakatte koi'' "Gym Leader, put your life on the line and challenge me"
* In the Johto saga of the anime, none of the Gym Leaders had the exact same lineups as they do in the games.
* Three of the five first gyms are Rock-type Gyms.
* The Hoenn Gym Leaders are the only ones not to have VS sprites, since these sprites weren't introduced until [[Generation IV]].

==In other languages==
*In Dutch, the Gym Leader is known as ''Gym Leider''.
*In Polish, the Gym Leader is known as ''Lider Sali''.
*In Portuguese, the Gym Leader is known as ''Líder de Ginásio''.

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Talk:Cynthia

2010-10-16T14:01:08Z

Bttsstewart: /* Cynthia the only one to remain champion */

==If Ash and co. met Lucian...==
If Ash and co. met [[Lucian]], it was likely they'll meet Cynthia later in the anime. And I was right, because Cynthia is scheduled to make her first anime appearance in [[DP040]]!

User FREAKAZOID

== Garchomps gender? ==

based on gender differences, what gender is her garchomp? --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 02:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:Female. All of Cynthia's Pokémon are female EXCEPT for her Lucario. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 05:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
::I think they mean in the anime...? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Its still a female. No groove in the fin. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 06:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

In the quotes section, it says:

Before battle: 
''"One look at you tells me many things about you. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. That's enough talking. Let's get on with why you're here. I, Cynthia, accept your challenge as the Pokémon League Champion! There won't be any letup from me!"''

OR

''"Have you been keeping well? Thank you for Mt. Coronet. I'm truly grateful. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. But that's enough talk. Let's get on with why you're here. As the Pokémon League Champion, I accept your challenge!"''

What do they mean, "OR"? Doesn't she always say the same thing? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 21:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that she says the Mt.Coronet thing only when the player didn't beat the Elite Four yet.She doesn't say that to me!
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie]] 20:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Uxie Legend

== what the...? ==

whats with the line going across the page?
uhh....[[User:Kpokefan|Kpokefan]] (cuz i dont know how to make the special little signatures
:What line? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 17:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Cynthia + Rayquaza?? ==
apparently, in an episode, Cynthia is shown commanding a [[Rayquaza]]. it can be viewed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e88ROwzgUOE here]. →[[User:Thomas1652]]
:But it was in a dream. She doesn't really own that Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::aaaahh, thank you for clearing that up for me. =) →[[User:Thomas1652]]
i thought that the Rayquaza she was commanding was just an illusion, someone added it. Is it ok to take it out? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 08:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::*Sigh*.....I'll take it out.....--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh! Someone took it out already.....--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== elite four ==

what do the elite four and the league champ actually do in the anime?[[User:Samrulz123|Samrulz]][[User talk:Samrulz123|123]][[Image:Ani151MS.gif]] 04:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:Wait around to appear in an episode. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I always figured that in order to challenge the elite four you had to win the league tournament. We may never know [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 11:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question ==

Cynthia also looks like the character(dont know her name) who trasform's in this video:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I50GGdQCQDs&NR=1

--[[User:Zakuro x Cynthia|[[Image:Ani492MS.gif]] Zakuro]] 08:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

== lucario ==

Does anybody else think those things in her hair look like the thing on lucario's head.I think this could mean that lucario is her main pokémon in the games (and possibly anime but not sure) [[User:Darkmaster0]]
:I always thought the things in her hair resembled a {{p|Garchomp}}....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
::It does look more like {{p|Lucario}}'s hair-type-thing, but her Garchomp is her strongest pokémon and they ,usually, are the trainer's signature pokémon. Phocks.

== Chi ==

Chi and Fei are identical twins and Chi is the main chatterer, so way dos she look like Fei and not Chi? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 12:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:What in the name of Hans Christian Anderson do you mean? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:05 18 Jun 2008'''''
::Probably another "character similarity" thing. God, I'm sick of them. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::...''who'' is Fei? The twins' names are Erda (Chi) and Freya (black Chi).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::::And the "Freya and not Chi" thing probably has to do with the black gothic clothing? Just maybe.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the mix up in the name. Thay still look the same and I don't get it? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 00:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:Is the statement even necessary? The accompanying link doesn't even have a picture and I've never even heard of the character. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 00:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::I'm really sick of those "similarities". We've got too many of them and most of them don't even look similar. I say, DELETE ALL "SIMILARITY" NOTES! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I agree. It's like "Oooh! One anime character looks like another! We should put that in!!" It's not all that notable. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this one is notable if any of them are. The have the same eyes, the same face. Clair even has hair things that look like Chi's ear's. If you ask me this one is intentional [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:I assume we're referring to Chobits here. Anyway, I did think Cynthia looked a bit like a Persicom on first impression, and her very long hair and black clothes are reminiscent of Freya, but I wouldn't say this is particularly relevant to Bulbapedia. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 16:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Dream Rayquaza (Please don't ignore this) ==

If we include her Rayquaza, shouldn't we include the Piplup, Chimchar, and Turtwig from {{an|Dawn}}'s [[DP001]] dream? If you agree with me, please make the table, cuz remember, I don't know how!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:That was more of Dawn daydreaming that she had those Pokémon. Plus, it wasn't appearant to the characters at first that they were dreaming when Cynthia had a Rayquaza. I don't know, maybe Rayquaza shouldn't count... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 20:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But it was still a dream Pokémon, just saying--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Ash. Kanto starters. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No, he woke up to the Gengar/Nidorino battle, remember?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:No he didn't... He was watching that on T.V. the night before he left on his journey. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But the Kanto starters in the dream [[Ash's Bulbasaur|manifested]] [[Ash's Charizard|them]][[Ash's Squirtle|selves]] into reality. And what about May commanding Mudkip in [[AG001]]?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah but that's not what I was talking about. You said he woke up to the battle of Nidorino and Gengar, which he didn't.
:Back to the subject about dream Pokémon, just because Ash got all the starters he dreamed about doesn't mean that everyone gonna get the Pokémon they've dreamed about. These stupid dream Pokémon shouldn't even be mentioned. Especially not the ones in Dawn's dream. What about all those Pokémon that Meowth always dreams Giovanni has in his dreams. Are we gonna mentioned those now? --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

[[Boss fantasy|Already have a page for that]]--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well that's merely a section of the boss fanasy article. Doesn't mean that other people should have dream Pokémon mentioned. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== Color ==

Why is her table color white? It blends with the background. Wouldn't black/a shade of gray be better? [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Likely. Pick one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Leiji Matsumoto ==
I know there's been a crackdown on speculative trivia, but I honestly think Cynthia's design is a reference to {{wp|Galaxy Express 999.}} Seriously, look at the Maetel-bot in that entry and tell me she's not inspired by that. - Nekusagi (don't know how to link myself)
:Done. {{tt|She's not inspired by that.|Just...doin' what ur askin'}} On a serious note, however, it's still speculation. Which isn't allowed on articles or something.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::To compare a character to another one is an opinion, as well as speculation. Opinions are not shared by everyone so they don't belong in any article. Now, I already discussed this with Neku elsewhere so there needs to be no further inquiries about this. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

== Egg ==

After running Team Galactic out of Eterna, Cynthia approaches the player near the Bicycle Shop to give him or her an Egg. I'd edit the article myself to reflect this, but I'm not sure what's in the egg -- or where in the article the information should go. [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 16:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:It is a Togepi Egg. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 19:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::Noted and changed. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I think there's a faulty tag, but I don't know what the correct one is. [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::::got it.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== In the trivia... ==

The trivia states: Cynthia's team also has at least one attack that matches the type themes of every member of the Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn Elite Four plus three members of Sinnoh's Elite Four. Flint is the only member not represented as none of Cynthia's Pokémon have Fire-type attacks.

Cynthia has a Fire-type attack: Flamethrower. It's on Garchomp before National Pokedex. If what this is stating after the NP, then please ignore this. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nidolord500}} ([[User talk:Nidolord500|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nidolord500|contribs]]) ''

== Pokédex ==
In Platinum, Cynthia tells the player character that she went on an adventure with a Pokédex when she was younger (she says this when you meet her in Celestic Town). This isn't mentioned on her page, and I think it is kind of important. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 09:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

:You know every trainer begins with a Pokédex. If you dont agree then give me examples of trainers without Pokédex. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::"''You've got a Pokedex!? Wow! Etcetera!''" Also, Pearl doesn't have one, and Wally doesn't seem to either. The game dialogue at the start of each game makes it seem like its a big deal; hence the Professor gives it ''after'' the player has done a task for him, not ''with'' the Starter Pokemon. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude about Pearl it is mentioned on his page and "doesnt seem to either" doesnt sounds convincing. Moreover as you administrators say "Wait till it is confirmes" although I dont think it will ever be . --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
When exactly was the Pokédex invented anyway? [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 09:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Pearl didn't get one because he was in a rush. Wally because he started on his own, without a starter nor a Pokédex. Other Trainers because there to lazy to get themselves one. You only see the Main player and Rival get a PokéDex. And as for Trom and Prongs, Both of you need to stop being hostile to eachother.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:Leave your messages after a : and it was recently before the first genera.. Brainwave! We are not hostile just a friendly argument. If this server breaks once more I will kill someone. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 10:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sorry... I'm being hostile? It certainly wasn't intentional. I just answered the question.... Again, sorry if it seemed like that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Please you werent. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 10:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Seems like it yeah, I always think there's some kind of rivalry between you two. Meh nevermind. My thought got me wrong.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Unless Cynthia is only thirteen years old (which she'd have to be to start out with a Pokédex [invented three years before Generation II and IV]) it's possible Cynthia started out with a forerunner/prototype of the Pokédex, such as the P*DA. But this is only speculation. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:Prof. Oak created the PokéDex way before Gen I. And you have to be 10 to be a Trainer.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Exactly my point, she started her adventure before D/P/Pt, and the Pokédex was created, let's say a year (not actual time), before Gen I, she'd have to have been 10 to start out on her adventure at this time if she'd had a Pokédex, and she looks older than fourteen. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Of course. But yet this is speculation, I mean she could've started being a trainer late in her life.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::True... [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually in the games Oak says that he created it just a little time ago and many state that Cynthia is quite experienced. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::In fact, when you beats her the first time (in Platinum at least) and Rowan shows up, he states it has been a long time since he has been at the Hall of Fame, and Cynthia comments that if the last time he had been there was when she had become champion, then it was a long time ago. So she must have had her Pokédex for quite some time. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 10:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Here's a tip: why don't we quote everything Cynthia said in DPPt? We do that on Cyrus's page. =] '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 11:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Good plan [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 18:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

== 3 years ==

In Cynthia's trivia section, there is a bullet saying "Although Cynthia mentions she started with a Pokédex, in Generation I (approximately three years before the events of Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum) Professor Oak mentions that it is his newest invention." How do we know that the events of Gold, Silver, and Crystal are happening at the same time as Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum? Jasmine is actually in Sinnoh during generation IV, so how could she be in Sinnoh and in Johto at her gym at the same time? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 19:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:The Red Gyarados happens after you beat Jasmine. It is highly possible that she goes to Sinnoh to recover after her loss; there is nothing to deny this. It could also happen shortly before she is faced by the player of GSC. While the two generations appear to happen within the same time frame, they don't appear to be concurrent. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==Platinum and Arceus reference==

In Platinum, I specifically remember that if you went and checked the cave painting in the Celestic Ruins again after beating the Elite Four, Cynthia showed up and gave a big lecture on the dragon trio, lake trio, and speculation on Arceus. Somebody should go and check that, and put it in the quotes section. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Pokedex trivia ==

Could Cynthia just be a newish trainer? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:As mentioned earlier, Cynthia is said to be quite experienced. Also, both Cynthia and Prof. Rowan both state that it was some time since Rowan had been to the Hall of Fame, which means that Cynthia has been a trainer for quite some time. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== In two places at once ==

After defeating Cyrus for the last time, she's at the entrance to Turnback Cave and at the League. Did anyone else notice this? --[[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 19:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:Unless you're also in two places at once, you can't verify that claim. She leaves the League a lot earlier in the game; chances are she's doing the same here. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::After accompanying the player to the Distortion World, she stands around outside the cave but isn't there after you complete the E4 challenge. Platinum has actual cases of Gym Leaders being in three places at once (Gym + Cafe + Villa) but this doesn't count. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== First Timers ==

I was looking at the different Champions, and it's occured to me that Cynthia is the only one to be Champion in both the games and the anime. Blue was Champion in Gen. I & their remakes and is Ash's rival in the anime, Lance was Elite Four in Gen. I, but Champion in Gen.II. Steve and Wallace are not the Champions of Hoenn in the anime, and both where Champions in different games.--[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 20:12:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, the anime stated that Wallace is the Champion of the Hoenn League. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Cynthia the only one to remain champion ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that Cynthia is the ''only'' Champion to remain Champion of her League in all games set in that region?
Kanto/Johto Elite Four has had Blue, later replaced by Lance.
Hoenn Elite Four has had Steven, later replaced by Wallace.
But Sinnoh has only EVER had Cynthia as a Champion.

Though this might change come Black and White and their third version, do you think it's still worth a mention? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it should be. [[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 01:14, 2 August 2010.--[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] 01:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that isn't true. Red takes the champion title from Blue in Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, FireRed, or LeafGreen, and remains the true champion in Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, or SoulSilver. He just isn't fought in the league. And besides, every champion has lost the title; the player beats the champion in every game. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait, so what was Lance then if not the Champion of the Indigo Plateau? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu House... ==

In Pokemon Platinum, Cynthia mentions about having a house, but where she said is a secret. Having a look at the Black/White games I realize there is a hosue with Cynthia in it. Any possible connections? I can't read other languages so if you can please find out if she claims it as her house.--[[User:Scepie|Scepie]] 08:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive2

2010-10-03T03:13:24Z

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[[Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive1|Archive #1]]

== WTF? ==

Giratina controls dimensions? That's stupid... can somebody remove that? Time and Space (depth, lengh and width) are the freaking dimensions everyone! So Giratina has more power than both Dialga and Palkia? I think not. Remember that Giratina lives in the Distortion World... a place that disobeys the laws of Time and Space. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

There are 2 types of dimensions, matematical, which you were talking about, and spacial, which would be under Giratina's control. If you don't belive me, look up "Plane (metaphysics)" on Wikipedia. The dimensions that Giratina controls are '''alternate planes of exictence''', also called '''dimensions'''!- ''unsigned comment from {{u|GuyNamedSean}} ([[User talk:GuyNamedSean|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GuyNamedSean|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It seems that Giratina can control gravity, or atleast that is how I enterpreted the explanation of its form shift. It also makes some sense because gravity could be considered a third factor in time-space [[User:Enigmaberry|Enigmaberry]] 02:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

:I agree with hfc2X, this needs to be changed. It was never officially stated anywhere that Giratina controls dimensions or anything at all, really. If you guys are going to write up fan speculation, you can at least, you know, actually make a note of that. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:An additional note, after editing the page a few times I noticed that only established users are allowed to make changes, my mistake there. Still, this needs to be changed for accuracy. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::You do realize that this talk section is from BEFORE Platinum was released in English, right? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with anything? Whether it's from one day or even five years ago, it doesn't change the fact that a change still needs to be made. As an encyclopedia, this doesn't need fanon crap. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Because Platinum confirmed it. Duh. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Prove it, then. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Disprove it, then. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It is also said in the Distortion World by Cyrus about Giratina's control over dimensions...I'm way, way ahead of that, otherwise I'd give you the exact quote.--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::My bad. I forgot. Giratina can't go between dimensions, or drag people into the Distorted World, or anything like that. Sorry. I guess it has no real power. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Spare me the reverse psychology, Sol, you said that Platinum confirmed it and I'm telling you to point to me where that was specifically confirmed. You're the one making false claims, not me. It was never stated that Giratina controls dimensions, this is FAN SPECULATION which is something that Bulbapedia frowns on if I'm not mistaken. At least it's something they should be frowning upon. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::If you can't prove that it hasn't been proved, then it's useless to try and say that it's fan speculation. PsychicRider has confirmed it, so no, it's not fan speculation. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Quit acting like a politician and disprove it. You're avoiding what somebody tells you that goes against what you're trying to say. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sol, you're the one who's in a position to prove something, not me. I basically asked "Where was that confirmed?" and you've yet to answer that question. I would like the specific quote of Cyrus stating this, though, as I don't recall it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::I'm way past that, as in Battle Frontier past, but I do remember that it is confirmed from Cyrus's dialogue. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 02:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::So I'm apparently supposed to conveniently be at the point in time where Cyrus says that specific quote. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 03:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, this isn't a perfect quote, but: "Hmm... so Giratina disappeared into the real world... it doesn't matter. I'll capture it, and then I'll use the dimensional powers of Giratina to form a new world here and destroy the real one." '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I believe that's the quote I was looking for...boys, we have our proof. :D. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::In that case (if that was explicitly stated), I stand corrected. Thanks. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Don't mention it. It only took me 30 minutes to think of. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:Not to sound like a broken record here, but I've just gotten through the Distortion World on my second run-through and Cyrus doesn't make that statement anywhere. I even saved right before the battle with Giratina to see what Cyrus would say in both scenarios (catching Giratina or defeating it), but the dialogue only changes slightly and there's still no explicit mention of it having control over dimensions. Besides, aren't space and time dimensions as well? Judging from some of the official interviews on Giratina I've just read, I'm more inclined to say that Giratina simply controls antimatter. If I'm not mistaken, antimatter IS considered to be the third factor out of time and space, after all. I propose that we take "dimensions" out of the sentence. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 08:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched a Youtube video and saw the same thing. But no. Dimensions isn't coming out. The descriptions aren't just for the games, but also the anime/movies you have to remember. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Bubbly Mew ==

Wherever I go, whatever I read that's about Mew or the first movie, it says something like "The Bubbly Mew appeared in the first move", or something like that. Now, why is it called "Bubbly Mew" and why is it just the Mew in the first movie? And where did that term of Bubbly Mew ever come from?--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 22:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe it's that the Mew in the first movie enjoyed making bubbles. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 20:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
==Phione?==
Does Phione really count? And why not Unown? I always thought of the symbols as legends. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic
:Phione counts because to get one you have to breed a legendary. Unown doesn't because it's extremely distant from any other legendary. Note the beasts and the birds. Sure they're separated by the powerhouses and events by Dratini and Larvitar's families, but they're next to each other and divided from the others by no more than three Pokémon. Unown has 50 down and 42 up. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::So all legends have to be near each other in the pokedex? Since when? Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 16:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Besides, nobody would buy Unown being legendary, what with how they're found all over the place in the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Chambers]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Trust me, in the time it takes to breed for one Phione, odds are one could catch 2 PC boxes entirely full of Unown (although there's no guarantee that all 28 forms would be included)...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Can we really stop saying that Rayquaza is based on a Ziz ==

It really isn't. The closest thing we have to a bird whose wingspan is large enough to block out the sun is Lugia, atleast according to the accounts of an elderly NPC in Ecruteak city.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 22:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Groudon isn't a giant hippo...elephant...rhino...''thing''...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::They are both based on the concept of these legendary creatures. Masters of the sky and land respectivly.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Info ==
Why is {{P|Rotom}} not a legendary?, I'm not complaining, I just want to know why.[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]] 18:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
: *[[Talk:Rotom_(Pok%C3%A9mon)/Archive_1|slaps with a wet Magikarp]]* Archives are your friends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

because it doesn't have monster stats--[[User:Pokemongirl1|PG1 FTW!]] 15:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

:Neither does {{p|Phione}}, and yet it's still a Legendary. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

::That's because {{p|Manaphy|a legendary is needed to obtain it}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 19:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Just a reminder that this is a forums topic.... o_0 Go there, peeps. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

All you need to do to catch it is to press a on a tv during night time. to get a phione, like it was said before, you need to have manaphy and breed it. --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad10]] ([[User talk:Usyflad10|talk]]) 23:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Rotom can breed; legendary Pokemon cannot. Manaphy being the exception but it's more of a 'novelty' that it produces Phione when it lays an egg. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokémon group picture ==

I made this: [http://student-kmt.hku.nl/~abel1/PF2pictures/Legendary%20Pok%e9mon.jpg]

I think it'll be nice if it was placed in this article, next to (or instead of) that Entei pic.

Greetz,
Abel
:It's nice really but the thing is that the Johto legends will be getting new artworks soon and, maybe, the admins might not like the signature on the upper right. Also, Deoxys is actually shorter than Mewtwo. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Just a reminder that fan art, I think, is generally frowned on. While that is very impressive, we can't use it here. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias ==

So I know that the current pic is better than the last, but I'm pretty sure it's {{tt|fan made.|Copyright info doesn't make it official... it only makes the claim that somebody owns the rights to characters...}} And we aren't supposed to have fan pics on pages. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Are you sure about that? That's the same font the Pokémon Company uses, it's in Sugimori's style, ''and'' it has his {{wp|Seal (East Asia)|hanko}} on it...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::{{tt|Who's the girl though?|forgot about this since the database was locked at the time...}} '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Beats me. But that's definitely official. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Latios and Latias should be jhoto legendaries because the movie takes place in jhoto.
[[User:JetanHertz13|JetanHertz13]] 00:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::That's... nice? If you join in a conversation that's like... 5 months old, at least add something important. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 00:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Latios and Latias appear in a Johto-era movie because they needed to hype up Hoenn. Der. The Eon duo don't even appear in Johto in HGSS, they're roaming Kanto! And it's '''''JOHTO''''', not Jhoto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Since Heatran being the first with a variable gender is mentioned, shouldn't it be mentioned that they were the first legendaries to have genders? [[User:Goldenpelt|Goldenpelt]] 08:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Protection Error? ==

Isn't this page protected? I had no problem editing it, and I'm no admin. --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|THE VERY BEST PAGE!]] 20:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:New users are blocked from editing (which, at the current state of the wiki does nothing). Only admins may move the page, though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ohhhhhhhhh... NOW I get it... --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|THE VERY BEST PAGE!]] 20:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia: Legendary Pokémon Themes ==

It should be noted that in the upcoming games, HeartGold and SoulSilver, that Lugia and Ho-Oh now both have their own, distinct themes in the upcoming games. It was confirmed on the "never before seen footage" on Pokémon Sunday where they revealed meeting Lugia and Ho-Oh in the games. :) From the small clips you can hear, Ho-Oh's theme seems to be very Japanese-percussion based (taiko drums) and Lugia's is very orchestral-dramatics based. {{unsigned|Gimmetokyo}}

I wonder if it's also pertinent to mention that the legendary beasts in HG/SS technically have their own unique themes, as well - or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that they have their own unique remixes of a theme. Either way, their battle music in HG/SS is not shared (identically, at any rate) with any other Pokemon. --[[User:Xatni|Xatni]] 01:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Xatni

== New article ==
Since the Legendary Trios and Duos have articles, should the Legendarys without a group (Trio Master's not included) get there own article too? {{unsigned|Blackstone Dresden}}

:If you mean Legendaries like {{p|Mew}}, {{p|Celebi}}, and {{p|Manaphy}}, then no. What would we write that isn't already on their own pages? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus HGSS pic ==

[[Image:Arceus - HGSS Event Artwork.jpg|thumb|left|150px]]
 How about adding it? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

If I could, I would!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

:I didn't place that one since one for the Azure Flute event would be better. It would be similar to Darkrai and Shaymin. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::I'll put it in for now. We can always change it when the Flute event gets its own artwork. We're using the HGSS Beasts artwork aren't we? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Edit! ==
I can't edit, but one of you should include that they can be found in Sinnoh.--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

== "Legendary" ==
Is the term "legendary" an official descriptor or one applied by the fandom? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 23:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Its official. It appears in the games, anime, and all sorts of sources. It even appears in some Pokédex entries. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 01:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I've been playing Blue and the first instance of the term "legendary Pokemon" is on Route 14 by a Bird Keeper, for future reference. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

==[[Arcanine]]==
"If you were looking for the "Legendary Pokémon" species, see Arcanine (Pokémon). "
Why does it say that? What does it have to do with anything [[User:Qim1|Qim1]] 00:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Arcanine's [[species]] name is "Legendary Pokémon". In comparison, Bulbasaur's is "Seed Pokémon". Just on the off-chance that someone thinks Arcanine is actually a Legendary Pokémon, in the sense meant on this page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Arcanine is considered as legendary in Chinese... since many [[Pokédex]] entries says Arcanine is from China.[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 07:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

==Pokemon of Legend, Illusion, and Myth==
Is there any source for these categories of legendaries? The main paragraph suggests the Japanese versions identify legendaries differently that was narrowed for translation... What Pokemon are in these various categories, and why? What exactly do the Japanese versions say? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

==Slowpoke/king==
This may meet with some dissent, but would Slowpoke or Slowking qualify under "Other Pokemon of myth"? Slowpoke is pretty dominantly featured in GSC and HG/SS, as well as the corresponding anime episode, as the savior of Azalea in time of need. He's practically worshiped there. I don't believe this story was ever explicitly stated as fact, but rather as a cultural legend of sorts. That means Slowpoke is featured in a legend, and so possibly counts as a low-tier legendary like Arcanine of Togepi.

Slowking may same to fit the position more, but the extent of its qualification are the second movie. I don't know if human speech, a knowledge of ancient prophecies, and a role in that prophecy coming true/being resolved counts as a legendary, but should also be considered.

So, what are the opinions on counting on or both as minor legendaries? I'll agree to any consensus, but just thought it would be worth bringing up since Slowpoke does garner some "It's a legendary" statements from time to time. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 00:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:Pastoria worships Croagunk. Does that mean it's a minor legendary too? Slowpoke, as far as I know, only gets mentioned as legendary [[User:TTEchidna/Slopoke (that i ran into the other day)|when people are being sarcastic]].--'''[[Water (type)|Liquid]]''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::I was unaware of Croagunk's position in that area, though that does get me thinking... Slowpoke, Croagunk, and possibly some of the "Other Pokemon of myth" featured here might do well on a "Pokemon of cultural significance" kind of article. I expect gen 5 will introduce at least one new Pokemon that is treated similarly to these two, so at that time it might be feasible to make such an article. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 00:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:::We need more than two Pokémon of culutral significance to make it an article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Which is why I suggested waiting until gen 5 when another Pokemon may be featured. But, as it stands now, Arcanine, Ninetails, and the Togepi line are strong candidates for such an article. Note that "legendary" is as much a fan-term as a canon one, so creating a corollary term for culturally-significant Pokemon would be ideal as well as alleviate the constant arguing about who is and isn't a legendary, when frankly many of the supposed legendaries ''would'' make more sense in a culture article. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 01:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== Unique Pokemon ==

: So which Pokemon exactly are "unique" besides Mewtwo? I'm just curious. Also, has it ever been '''confirmed''' that Mewtwo is unique? [[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRox''']] 02:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well he is the first cloned legendary, first created legendary. But that's probably speculation.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::: Mewtwo is a special case. He's not even a "legendary" in the in-universe sense (no associated legends), only in the fanon sense. Discussing what other Pokemon are "unique" is beating a dead horse, since it's been done before and there's no way we can no for sure. Looking at it one way, nearly every Pokemon is unique, but in another way there's room for multiplies. Who knows? As for created Pokemon akin to Mewtwo, I'm sure that area will be explored at some point. Come gen 5, all the loose strings will be tired up. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
:::: I believe we could safely say that Arceus is unique. [[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRox''']] 05:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::::: Arceus is the personification of a concept. There could very well be more than one, with each being an avatar of an incomprehensible concept. It's called pantheism. Hindis practice it. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hindu's you moron, hindi is the language they speak in india!--[[User:Minimag|Minimag]] 05:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Does it really matter? And the term "Hindi" also applies to Hindu literature and culture. Religion/mythology is within the scope of culture, so there you go. I know my use of language. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I thought it was polytheism. Anyways, in Hinduism concepts, gods are an aspect of Brahmna, the eternal being, which could be what Arceus could be based on, with the three major aspects of Brahma being legendary trios. Though I doubt this because Nintendo is based in Japan and not India. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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The non-uniques are:
*Mew ([[Mewtwo Strikes Back]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Lugia ([[The Power of One]], [[Silver (Johto)|Silver]], and possibly Movie 13)
*Regirock, Regice, Registeel ([[Brandon's Regis]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Regigigas ([[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]] & [[DP129]])
*Lati@s ([[Pokémon Heroes]])
*Deoxys ([[Destiny Deoxys]])
*Manaphy ([[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]])
*Phione ([[DP113]])
*Darkrai ([[The Rise of Darkrai]] and [[DP104]])
*Shaymin ([[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]])

Uknown, yet debateable:
*Cresselia - If there's more than one Darkrai, why not Cresselia?
*Heatran - Only one has appeared so far, and even then, it was in the distant past.
*Jirachi - It came from space. We don't know if more are out there like Deoxys and Clefairy.
*The legendary birds - Unlike the beasts, we don't know if there were only 3 specifically created, although it is probable that they're unique.
*The legendary beasts- Although we know that Ho-Oh created 3 from the ashes of Pokémon, Suicune has appeared multiple times and sometimes in different regions. It has appeared in 3 episodes of the anime and one movie. The Entei in [[Spell of the Unown]] was only an illusion created by the Unown.

Unique:
*Mewtwo - It isn't actually a legendary in the anime, just a bad clone of one.
*Ho-Oh - Even though its counterpart, Lugia, is known to be able to have offspring, Ho-Oh seems to be a single Pokémon that travels around.
*Celebi - Although many appeared in [[Pokémon 4Ever]], they were the same Celebi, just from different time periods. The past and future came together in the present.
*Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza - Kyogre and Groudon have appeared in the Team Magma and Team Aqua arc, and Kyogre has appeared in a movie or two. Rayquaza could be argued as having more than one in its species, but it is most likely the only one.
*Azelf, Uxie, and Mesprit - They were created by Arceus to keep Dialga and Palkia in balance.
*Dialga and Palkia - They are the keepers of time and space.
*Giratina - It is the guardian of the Reverse World, an distorted mirror of the Pokémon world. Although it could be argued that because mirror dimensions exist, and there would be Reverse Worlds for each of these mirror dimensions, that is extremely technical and most likely won't be mentioned.
*Arceus - Creator of the Pokémon universe. Not much more to say about that.

If that doesn't clear some things up, I don't know what will. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, there is no way that Celebi would be the same Celebi from different time periods (as most of those Celebi [those supposedly from the future] would also not exist if that were the case, since it died.). As for Groudon and Kyogre, it was heavily implied in the end of Scuffle of Legends that they went to sleep again for another age-long rest (almost eternal), and it was also implied that the orbs are the only way they can awake, so it's more likely that Kyogre, at least, has multiples (since unless someone had bonded with the Blue Orb, then Kyogre should not awake, and thus not appear in Movie 9 if it's the same one.). Rayquaza was also implied to be captured by Team Rocket, and it won't make any sense that Rayquaza would be around the atmosphere if it can't get out (which the scene of it's capture implies that it can't escape.) Dialga and Palkia, did they even recognize Ash and co. when they appeared in the Team Galactic Two-Parter? If not, they're definitely not one of a kind, and since Giratina is also part of the same trio, that means it has to have multiples as well. For the Three Pixies, if there are more than one Dialga and Palkia, there are definitely going to be more than one Pixie Trio. So far, the only pokemon to be completely confirmed to be one of a kind without a doubt is Mewtwo. If Arceus somehow appears later on and doesn't even recognize Ash and Co, then it's safe to say that Arceus is also not one of a kind. As for Ho-Oh, let's wait until Movie 13 before we can say that it's one of a kind (If it doesn't recognize Ash, then it's safe to say it's not one of a kind.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

::Wow. I wasn't asking for a "Your wrong, stupid." type of response. We're trying to clear things up, not get into a fight. But since you want an argument for my point... For Celebi, the concept of time in the Pokémon universe, both games and movies, isn't immediate. In PMD2, you don't disappear right away. You still have like, a minute before you start to go away after correcting time. In Movie 12, it took forever for Ash and co. to nearly disappear, which they didn't. Celebi would have enough time to come back to heal itself. And who said it died anyways? It would also know when it would need to heal itself since it's a time travellor, and has basically the same powers that Dialga has, except they're not as massively powerful. There also isn't more than one Palkia, Dialga, or Arceus, as they're the only ones that are in existance. Dialga lives in a dimension outside of time, and Palkia controls all dimensions, except for Dialga's and Arceus'. It doesn't really matter if Palkia and Dialga recognize Ash and co. in the anime, because the anime =/= the movies. And from what I can tell, they don't do anything anyways. Cyrus captures them, and then the Lake trio free them and they go away. And there isn't more than one of each of the Lake trio, because there's... wait for it... ''three'' lakes for the ''three'' Lake guardians, and ''three'' {{tt|gifts|emotion, willpower, knowledge}} to humans. And so what if it appears that Team Rocket has Rayquaza? That was only in the intro to Movie 9 to show that there's evil in the Pokémon world. As for Groudon and Kyogre, again, anime =/= movies. Can't stress that enough. Those anime episodes were directly based off of R/S. There isn't any movie that's based specifically off of any part of a game. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:::If Anime=/=Movies, then you shouldn't have even cited the movies in the first place (In other words, you shouldn't have cited Darkrai's appearances, as well as the other Legendary Pokémons appearances.). As for who said it had died, the mere fact that even the newly purified healing spring wasn't able to heal it implied that it had died. And for the record, I wasn't calling you stupid nor even implying that you were. And another thing, just because there are three lakes in Sinnoh that hold the pixie trio does not mean that there cannot be more than one Pixie trio. It was earlier implied that there was only one Mew left in existance, yet it was later made clear that there were actually two mews. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Isn't there more than one Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina because of every Gen. IV game having them, but in different ways. HeartGold and SoulSilver has Arceus create one on the spot while DPPt has one already there. Doesn't that mean they are debatable? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::I really don't think any of this matters actually. The only part that talks about unique legendaries, other than that one sentence, is the bottom where it lists the different in-battle music. I would say more, except I know Mchairybug will contradict everything I say. That's why I've stopped talking about it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

===Definitively===
We can only say without a doubt that Mewtwo is unique in the anime. Arceus, the dragon trio, and the lake trio are presumed due to their link to the universe's creation. The rest, we can't say definitively, though we can more or less assume there's been only one Ho-Oh we've ever seen (Ash indicates it), and the weather trio's important roles also seem to point to there being only one of each.

Also, don't, ''don't'' think in the game sense in the anime. Also, the movies are canon, Ash-haters, find another thing he's not worthy of to rip on him for... like Gible or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It's notable though that in "Mewtwo Strikes Back" Mew is refered in the single sense by many trainers(Such as saying "Mewtwo was cloned from Mew" instead of "Mewtwo was cloned from A Mew"). It could be that this Mew is ether the last one of the Mew kind, or just the Mew that's DNA was used to make Mewtwo. It's impossible to say though, since the movie never expands on this fact.--[[User:Dsman195276|Dsman195276]] 04:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Wobbuffett in the trivia section ==
Wobbuffett is not a legendary, but it along with Garchomp are the only non-legendary pokémon to be considered uber in competitive battling {{unsigned|Rocklee clone}}
:Unofficial tiers of competitive battling is irrelevant to this article. There's no need to mention Wobbuffet here. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 21:27, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia; Other languages ==

So, I was looking on the French analog site (Poképédia) and noticed that there are only six legendaries that have had their name changed. (As far as I can tell, only a few of the non legendary pokémon retain the same english name.) They are: Zapdos (Électhor), Moltres (Sulfura), and Articuno(Artikodin); and Azelf(Créfadet), Mesprit(Créfollet), and Uxie(Créhelf).
Does this count as trivia?--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 00:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:This is already mentioned in the article's trivia section.;)--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 01:14, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Whoops. Didn't see that.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 06:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== In Game Re-battle ==

I know from elsewhere on this site that (in HGSS at least) if the legendary beasts are KO'd in battle, they can be 'revived' and battled again (for example, if you KO suicune, it'll keep reapearing in Burnt Tower until it's caught). I was just wondering which other legendaries can also be rebattled if they're KO'd? --[[User:Oatzy|Oatzy]] 23:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:I believe it is any Pokémon that appears as a one-time capture, and you have to (re)battle the Elite Four in order to reset them. I know it works on Sudowoodo. On a similar note, I would like to know if its nature, IVs, etc. are reset when it reappears, particularly in regard to the roaming Pokémon. Giratina's stats were reset in Platinum. --[[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 19:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Champion Cynthia's team. ==

Did anyone else notice the groupings in http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon#Other_Pok.C3.A9mon_of_myth ?

Out of the eleven bullet points on that list, Cynthia uses pokemon from five points, exactly one pokemon for each of those five points.
The groupings aren't exactly hewn in stone, though, so it's hardly trivia worthy. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

== Reshiram and Zekrom ==

{{u|MAGNEDETH}} made the completely understandable decision to lock down this page to curb speculation, but Reshiram and Zekrom are confirmed to be legendaries by the Japanese site: http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/top.html [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 20:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'll be adding them later on. This whole damn page has been in cleanup for a couple months now, but I've been distracted. I'll finish editing it tomorrow and finally add them, under a Generation V header, tomorrow. Er. Today. I guess. It's early. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Zoroark? ==

Should Zoroark be in Other Pokémon of myth?? Or do we need to wait till the movie has actually premiered so we know exactly what he/she/it is or done?
:Wait till the movie comes out. We don't know much about Zoroark's role, yet. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 08:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::Again, likely to be at least mentioned when I finish my cleanup of this damned thing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Is the fact that both Zorua and Zoroark event-''only'' sufficient to declare them Legendary? I'm not sure, but I believe that all pokémon available ''only'' through events are Legendary. I'm honestly not sure, however, if that is distinction enough for to be considered Legendary. [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 07:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a bit too soon to say that it is definitely a legendary. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not convinced it is, though. Are they not, by definition, 幻のポケモン? They're almost even more illusory than Mew, Celebi and the like - not only are they event-only, but you need to attend said event ''prior to the launch of the games''. I ask this honestly, but... if that isn't the very picture of a Legendary Pokémon, what is? If what they are is not sufficient to be declared Legendary, then perhaps the article will need a tighter definition. Please do not misunderstand me, I'm not simply trying to be a nag [although I apologize, I realize I must sound like I am], I'm asking specifically because it seems to be that the status of these two is sort of at the crux of the definition of what it means to be Legendary and thus relevant, one way or another, to the article.
:::::Let me see if I can word my thoughts better. The article discusses the definition of Legendary at the introduction, before the TOC; the first section mentions common characteristics of being Legendary. What we have for these two matches the definition provided in the introduction; what we ''don't'' have for these two is a match, or lack of a match, with the common characteristics. Regardless of whether we are ultimately "right" about their Legendary status, if we say we don't have enough information to declare them Legendary, then maybe should the common characteristics [or some of them, whichever are truly defining] be considered as a part of the definition and moved to the introduction of the article?
:::::My goal here is ''not'' simply to see that Zorua and Zoroark be placed on the article. My goal is to see the article improve. I know, I know, it's a Featured Article and thus is considered awesome by the community - because, well, it is:) - but that doesn't mean that even an awesome article has no room to grow. In my original comment, I said plainly, I don't know whether being event only is sufficient to be called Legendary... but I ''shouldn't'' not know. Does that make sense?
:::::I'm sorry that I'm not good with words. I fear I'm going to be misunderstood here. Text only shows so little of meaning that misunderstandings are simple. I'm not trying to be critical, I'm not trying to say the article is bad. It not only isn't bad, I'll happily reiterate that it's awesome. But ultimately, if the legendary status of these two Pokémon is still in question, then the article's definition of legendary needs tightening. [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 16:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::TTE, let me also say that in no way are the arguments I've presented mean I am impatient to see the article updated. I completely understand that you're not a machine whose sole job in life is to update this site :) If this page is not updated until long after B&W comes out, I will not be upset. My sole desire is to see the article be as good as it can be. I feel that I do not have the proper words to contribute directly, even if the article was unlocked, so this is the only way that I feel I ''can'' contribute right now. [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 17:04, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I'd like to know where it's been confirmed that Zorua and Zoroark are ''only'' obtainable through the special events in BW? For all we know, Zorua and Zoroark will also be able to obtained in-game by normal means (wild encounter, NPC gift, etc.), it's just that the event ones are special for whatever reason.
:::::::Unless Spiky-eared Pichu is considered legendary now. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

==plagiarism?==

I fear that content from this page has been copied onto this page. http://pokemonorg.wetpaint.com/page/Groups+of+Legendary+Pokemon
and maybe loads of other original bulbapedia content has been hoarded. can any one look into this?mods?admins? {{unsigned|AGGRON999}}
:Thanks, I'll take a look into it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::Even if the articles are original the images are taken directly from Bulbapedia and in fact link here when one clicks on the image.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 05:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the links go here too. I've spoken with the site owner and he's yet to get back to me. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Thanks. :D

== Huh? ==

Um, actually, Heatran is ''not'' the only legendary Pokémon with a variable gender. There's also Spiritomb. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 20:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:Spiritomb isn't legendary.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Well then why is Spiritomb so hard to obtain? --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 20:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:Feebas isn't a legendary, but it's almost equally hard to obtain as Spiritomb... they just choose to make some Pokemon difficult to obtain, and some easy to obtain. Adds variety, you know? ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 21:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Also, Spiritomb are able to breed. Just sayin' [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== SIX Legendaries changed names? ==
Uxie's name is the same in Japanese and English; the lack of Y is just localization and doesn't affect pronunciation (it's no more different - in fact, less so - than Lucario being "Rukario" in Japanese). However, the article says ''six'' legendary Pokemon changed names (the other five, of course, being Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mesprit, and Azelf.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 09:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:I agree, Uxie shouldn't count.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 09:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::Except Lucario's Japanese name is Lucario, it's just spelled as Rukario in katakana. Yuxie>Uxie isn't any less of a change than Dodorio>Dodrio, Donfan>Donphan, or Chicorita>Chikorita. If anything, Houou>Ho-oh and Crecelia>Cresselia should be counted as well. --[[User:Goldenpelt]] 01:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I gotta agree there... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree about the Lucario comparison. Uxie's Katakana name is Yukushii, not Yuxie, so it's not the same thing. But it does seem a bit silly to say that they are different names if they are pronounced the same. When they design the official romanji names they aren't thinking about the English audience, so of course it makes sense to change the spelling if they think it helps people of that audience pronounce it correctly. It's still the same name. --[[User:CrimsonChin|CrimsonChin]] 17:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== Victini ==

Shouldn't this little creature be added? Id add it, but alas, I am not allowed *cries*. Or are we awaiting more information on it? --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 11:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:It's been added... I just improved some things. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Mew's "Unique Battle Music" ==

I really don't think this point should be in the trivia section; isn't that same re-mixed Kanto music used for the birds and, in FR/LG, for the beasts as well? The music for the weather trio and the elemental Regis is more unique than that.[[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 16:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're different remixes. Mewtwo's remix I ''think'' is used for Ho-Oh and Lugia in FRLG, in that event no one got anywhere. Mew's is a completely different remix. The legendary birds also have a different remix. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Uniqueness in the games ==

In the trivia section it says "In the games, there appears to only be one of every legendary Pokémon", however that's not entirely true. There's only one you can catch, but I've seen a Zapdos and a Heatran in the Battle Hall in Platinum. --[[User:CrimsonChin|CrimsonChin]] 17:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Add {{template|-}} before every generation header. →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 22:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not having any issues, and I'm using a standard monitor. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Capitalization ==

*A [http://www.pokemon.com/us/games/videogame-pokemon-ranger-guardian-signs/ recent page] on Pokémon.com mentions it as "Legendary Pokémon," not "legendary Pokémon" (with a capital L). I haven't looked yet, but do other things (games, manga, cards, sites, etc.) mention the term as such? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Takuto ==
I think it's important to include an exmaple Takuto has two legendary Pokemon under the "anime" section, and no ramifications were apparent as a result of him possessing legendary Pokemon. {{unsigned|Datonyp1}}

== Split? ==
With Gen V being released very soon, don't you think this entry might get a bit too big? Perhaps we should split it by Generation. Although it might be somewhat of a shame though... [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Deer" (and where in the world is Victini?) ==

I think "deer" is a poor group name for that trio, seeing as the closest animals they resemble are the gazelle, the wildebeest, and the oryx{{tt|*|Okay, I'm actually guessing on this last one}}, all bovids. "Musketeers", while not as descriptive, is a lot less inaccurate, as it groups them by their running theme, and doesn't alienate Keldeo. 
On a different subject, shouldn't Victini have a paragraph in somewhere? --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 01:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Raijin" Trio ==
"Borutorosu, ''Torunerosu'', and Randorosu are a trio of Pokémon based on Japanese Raijin, gods of thunder and lightning"
Torunerosu is most likely based on Fuujin, god of wind {{unsigned|Vienna Waltz}}

== About Energy Dragon Trio ==
I can't edit talk page there so I make here, I found something on the name
ReshiRAM, ZekROM, KyuREM (RAM-ROM-REM)[[User:Arceus Vs Dragon Trio|Arceus Vs Dragon Trio]] 11:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Right...but what does 'RAM-ROM-REM' mean? Or is the "interesting" bit that all their names end it a consonent made of an R and M with a vowel in between> :-/ [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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== WTF? ==

Giratina controls dimensions? That's stupid... can somebody remove that? Time and Space (depth, lengh and width) are the freaking dimensions everyone! So Giratina has more power than both Dialga and Palkia? I think not. Remember that Giratina lives in the Distortion World... a place that disobeys the laws of Time and Space. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

There are 2 types of dimensions, matematical, which you were talking about, and spacial, which would be under Giratina's control. If you don't belive me, look up "Plane (metaphysics)" on Wikipedia. The dimensions that Giratina controls are '''alternate planes of exictence''', also called '''dimensions'''!- ''unsigned comment from {{u|GuyNamedSean}} ([[User talk:GuyNamedSean|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GuyNamedSean|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It seems that Giratina can control gravity, or atleast that is how I enterpreted the explanation of its form shift. It also makes some sense because gravity could be considered a third factor in time-space [[User:Enigmaberry|Enigmaberry]] 02:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

:I agree with hfc2X, this needs to be changed. It was never officially stated anywhere that Giratina controls dimensions or anything at all, really. If you guys are going to write up fan speculation, you can at least, you know, actually make a note of that. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:An additional note, after editing the page a few times I noticed that only established users are allowed to make changes, my mistake there. Still, this needs to be changed for accuracy. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::You do realize that this talk section is from BEFORE Platinum was released in English, right? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with anything? Whether it's from one day or even five years ago, it doesn't change the fact that a change still needs to be made. As an encyclopedia, this doesn't need fanon crap. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Because Platinum confirmed it. Duh. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Prove it, then. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Disprove it, then. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It is also said in the Distortion World by Cyrus about Giratina's control over dimensions...I'm way, way ahead of that, otherwise I'd give you the exact quote.--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::My bad. I forgot. Giratina can't go between dimensions, or drag people into the Distorted World, or anything like that. Sorry. I guess it has no real power. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Spare me the reverse psychology, Sol, you said that Platinum confirmed it and I'm telling you to point to me where that was specifically confirmed. You're the one making false claims, not me. It was never stated that Giratina controls dimensions, this is FAN SPECULATION which is something that Bulbapedia frowns on if I'm not mistaken. At least it's something they should be frowning upon. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::If you can't prove that it hasn't been proved, then it's useless to try and say that it's fan speculation. PsychicRider has confirmed it, so no, it's not fan speculation. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Quit acting like a politician and disprove it. You're avoiding what somebody tells you that goes against what you're trying to say. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sol, you're the one who's in a position to prove something, not me. I basically asked "Where was that confirmed?" and you've yet to answer that question. I would like the specific quote of Cyrus stating this, though, as I don't recall it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::I'm way past that, as in Battle Frontier past, but I do remember that it is confirmed from Cyrus's dialogue. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 02:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::So I'm apparently supposed to conveniently be at the point in time where Cyrus says that specific quote. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 03:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, this isn't a perfect quote, but: "Hmm... so Giratina disappeared into the real world... it doesn't matter. I'll capture it, and then I'll use the dimensional powers of Giratina to form a new world here and destroy the real one." '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I believe that's the quote I was looking for...boys, we have our proof. :D. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::In that case (if that was explicitly stated), I stand corrected. Thanks. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Don't mention it. It only took me 30 minutes to think of. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:Not to sound like a broken record here, but I've just gotten through the Distortion World on my second run-through and Cyrus doesn't make that statement anywhere. I even saved right before the battle with Giratina to see what Cyrus would say in both scenarios (catching Giratina or defeating it), but the dialogue only changes slightly and there's still no explicit mention of it having control over dimensions. Besides, aren't space and time dimensions as well? Judging from some of the official interviews on Giratina I've just read, I'm more inclined to say that Giratina simply controls antimatter. If I'm not mistaken, antimatter IS considered to be the third factor out of time and space, after all. I propose that we take "dimensions" out of the sentence. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 08:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched a Youtube video and saw the same thing. But no. Dimensions isn't coming out. The descriptions aren't just for the games, but also the anime/movies you have to remember. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Bubbly Mew ==

Wherever I go, whatever I read that's about Mew or the first movie, it says something like "The Bubbly Mew appeared in the first move", or something like that. Now, why is it called "Bubbly Mew" and why is it just the Mew in the first movie? And where did that term of Bubbly Mew ever come from?--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 22:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe it's that the Mew in the first movie enjoyed making bubbles. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 20:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
==Phione?==
Does Phione really count? And why not Unown? I always thought of the symbols as legends. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic
:Phione counts because to get one you have to breed a legendary. Unown doesn't because it's extremely distant from any other legendary. Note the beasts and the birds. Sure they're separated by the powerhouses and events by Dratini and Larvitar's families, but they're next to each other and divided from the others by no more than three Pokémon. Unown has 50 down and 42 up. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::So all legends have to be near each other in the pokedex? Since when? Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 16:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Besides, nobody would buy Unown being legendary, what with how they're found all over the place in the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Chambers]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Trust me, in the time it takes to breed for one Phione, odds are one could catch 2 PC boxes entirely full of Unown (although there's no guarantee that all 28 forms would be included)...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Can we really stop saying that Rayquaza is based on a Ziz ==

It really isn't. The closest thing we have to a bird whose wingspan is large enough to block out the sun is Lugia, atleast according to the accounts of an elderly NPC in Ecruteak city.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 22:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Groudon isn't a giant hippo...elephant...rhino...''thing''...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::They are both based on the concept of these legendary creatures. Masters of the sky and land respectivly.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Info ==
Why is {{P|Rotom}} not a legendary?, I'm not complaining, I just want to know why.[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]] 18:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
: *[[Talk:Rotom_(Pok%C3%A9mon)/Archive_1|slaps with a wet Magikarp]]* Archives are your friends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

because it doesn't have monster stats--[[User:Pokemongirl1|PG1 FTW!]] 15:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

:Neither does {{p|Phione}}, and yet it's still a Legendary. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

::That's because {{p|Manaphy|a legendary is needed to obtain it}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 19:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Just a reminder that this is a forums topic.... o_0 Go there, peeps. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

All you need to do to catch it is to press a on a tv during night time. to get a phione, like it was said before, you need to have manaphy and breed it. --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad10]] ([[User talk:Usyflad10|talk]]) 23:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Rotom can breed; legendary Pokemon cannot. Manaphy being the exception but it's more of a 'novelty' that it produces Phione when it lays an egg. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokémon group picture ==

I made this: [http://student-kmt.hku.nl/~abel1/PF2pictures/Legendary%20Pok%e9mon.jpg]

I think it'll be nice if it was placed in this article, next to (or instead of) that Entei pic.

Greetz,
Abel
:It's nice really but the thing is that the Johto legends will be getting new artworks soon and, maybe, the admins might not like the signature on the upper right. Also, Deoxys is actually shorter than Mewtwo. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Just a reminder that fan art, I think, is generally frowned on. While that is very impressive, we can't use it here. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias ==

So I know that the current pic is better than the last, but I'm pretty sure it's {{tt|fan made.|Copyright info doesn't make it official... it only makes the claim that somebody owns the rights to characters...}} And we aren't supposed to have fan pics on pages. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Are you sure about that? That's the same font the Pokémon Company uses, it's in Sugimori's style, ''and'' it has his {{wp|Seal (East Asia)|hanko}} on it...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::{{tt|Who's the girl though?|forgot about this since the database was locked at the time...}} '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Beats me. But that's definitely official. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Latios and Latias should be jhoto legendaries because the movie takes place in jhoto.
[[User:JetanHertz13|JetanHertz13]] 00:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::That's... nice? If you join in a conversation that's like... 5 months old, at least add something important. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 00:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Latios and Latias appear in a Johto-era movie because they needed to hype up Hoenn. Der. The Eon duo don't even appear in Johto in HGSS, they're roaming Kanto! And it's '''''JOHTO''''', not Jhoto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Since Heatran being the first with a variable gender is mentioned, shouldn't it be mentioned that they were the first legendaries to have genders? [[User:Goldenpelt|Goldenpelt]] 08:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Protection Error? ==

Isn't this page protected? I had no problem editing it, and I'm no admin. --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|THE VERY BEST PAGE!]] 20:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:New users are blocked from editing (which, at the current state of the wiki does nothing). Only admins may move the page, though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ohhhhhhhhh... NOW I get it... --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|THE VERY BEST PAGE!]] 20:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia: Legendary Pokémon Themes ==

It should be noted that in the upcoming games, HeartGold and SoulSilver, that Lugia and Ho-Oh now both have their own, distinct themes in the upcoming games. It was confirmed on the "never before seen footage" on Pokémon Sunday where they revealed meeting Lugia and Ho-Oh in the games. :) From the small clips you can hear, Ho-Oh's theme seems to be very Japanese-percussion based (taiko drums) and Lugia's is very orchestral-dramatics based. {{unsigned|Gimmetokyo}}

I wonder if it's also pertinent to mention that the legendary beasts in HG/SS technically have their own unique themes, as well - or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that they have their own unique remixes of a theme. Either way, their battle music in HG/SS is not shared (identically, at any rate) with any other Pokemon. --[[User:Xatni|Xatni]] 01:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Xatni

== New article ==
Since the Legendary Trios and Duos have articles, should the Legendarys without a group (Trio Master's not included) get there own article too? {{unsigned|Blackstone Dresden}}

:If you mean Legendaries like {{p|Mew}}, {{p|Celebi}}, and {{p|Manaphy}}, then no. What would we write that isn't already on their own pages? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus HGSS pic ==

[[Image:Arceus - HGSS Event Artwork.jpg|thumb|left|150px]]
 How about adding it? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

If I could, I would!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

:I didn't place that one since one for the Azure Flute event would be better. It would be similar to Darkrai and Shaymin. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::I'll put it in for now. We can always change it when the Flute event gets its own artwork. We're using the HGSS Beasts artwork aren't we? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Edit! ==
I can't edit, but one of you should include that they can be found in Sinnoh.--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

== "Legendary" ==
Is the term "legendary" an official descriptor or one applied by the fandom? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 23:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Its official. It appears in the games, anime, and all sorts of sources. It even appears in some Pokédex entries. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 01:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I've been playing Blue and the first instance of the term "legendary Pokemon" is on Route 14 by a Bird Keeper, for future reference. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

==[[Arcanine]]==
"If you were looking for the "Legendary Pokémon" species, see Arcanine (Pokémon). "
Why does it say that? What does it have to do with anything [[User:Qim1|Qim1]] 00:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Arcanine's [[species]] name is "Legendary Pokémon". In comparison, Bulbasaur's is "Seed Pokémon". Just on the off-chance that someone thinks Arcanine is actually a Legendary Pokémon, in the sense meant on this page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Arcanine is considered as legendary in Chinese... since many [[Pokédex]] entries says Arcanine is from China.[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 07:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

==Pokemon of Legend, Illusion, and Myth==
Is there any source for these categories of legendaries? The main paragraph suggests the Japanese versions identify legendaries differently that was narrowed for translation... What Pokemon are in these various categories, and why? What exactly do the Japanese versions say? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

==Slowpoke/king==
This may meet with some dissent, but would Slowpoke or Slowking qualify under "Other Pokemon of myth"? Slowpoke is pretty dominantly featured in GSC and HG/SS, as well as the corresponding anime episode, as the savior of Azalea in time of need. He's practically worshiped there. I don't believe this story was ever explicitly stated as fact, but rather as a cultural legend of sorts. That means Slowpoke is featured in a legend, and so possibly counts as a low-tier legendary like Arcanine of Togepi.

Slowking may same to fit the position more, but the extent of its qualification are the second movie. I don't know if human speech, a knowledge of ancient prophecies, and a role in that prophecy coming true/being resolved counts as a legendary, but should also be considered.

So, what are the opinions on counting on or both as minor legendaries? I'll agree to any consensus, but just thought it would be worth bringing up since Slowpoke does garner some "It's a legendary" statements from time to time. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 00:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:Pastoria worships Croagunk. Does that mean it's a minor legendary too? Slowpoke, as far as I know, only gets mentioned as legendary [[User:TTEchidna/Slopoke (that i ran into the other day)|when people are being sarcastic]].--'''[[Water (type)|Liquid]]''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::I was unaware of Croagunk's position in that area, though that does get me thinking... Slowpoke, Croagunk, and possibly some of the "Other Pokemon of myth" featured here might do well on a "Pokemon of cultural significance" kind of article. I expect gen 5 will introduce at least one new Pokemon that is treated similarly to these two, so at that time it might be feasible to make such an article. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 00:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:::We need more than two Pokémon of culutral significance to make it an article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Which is why I suggested waiting until gen 5 when another Pokemon may be featured. But, as it stands now, Arcanine, Ninetails, and the Togepi line are strong candidates for such an article. Note that "legendary" is as much a fan-term as a canon one, so creating a corollary term for culturally-significant Pokemon would be ideal as well as alleviate the constant arguing about who is and isn't a legendary, when frankly many of the supposed legendaries ''would'' make more sense in a culture article. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 01:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== Unique Pokemon ==

: So which Pokemon exactly are "unique" besides Mewtwo? I'm just curious. Also, has it ever been '''confirmed''' that Mewtwo is unique? [[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRox''']] 02:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well he is the first cloned legendary, first created legendary. But that's probably speculation.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::: Mewtwo is a special case. He's not even a "legendary" in the in-universe sense (no associated legends), only in the fanon sense. Discussing what other Pokemon are "unique" is beating a dead horse, since it's been done before and there's no way we can no for sure. Looking at it one way, nearly every Pokemon is unique, but in another way there's room for multiplies. Who knows? As for created Pokemon akin to Mewtwo, I'm sure that area will be explored at some point. Come gen 5, all the loose strings will be tired up. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
:::: I believe we could safely say that Arceus is unique. [[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRox''']] 05:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::::: Arceus is the personification of a concept. There could very well be more than one, with each being an avatar of an incomprehensible concept. It's called pantheism. Hindis practice it. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hindu's you moron, hindi is the language they speak in india!--[[User:Minimag|Minimag]] 05:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Does it really matter? And the term "Hindi" also applies to Hindu literature and culture. Religion/mythology is within the scope of culture, so there you go. I know my use of language. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I thought it was polytheism. Anyways, in Hinduism concepts, gods are an aspect of Brahmna, the eternal being, which could be what Arceus could be based on, with the three major aspects of Brahma being legendary trios. Though I doubt this because Nintendo is based in Japan and not India. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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The non-uniques are:
*Mew ([[Mewtwo Strikes Back]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Lugia ([[The Power of One]], [[Silver (Johto)|Silver]], and possibly Movie 13)
*Regirock, Regice, Registeel ([[Brandon's Regis]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Regigigas ([[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]] & [[DP129]])
*Lati@s ([[Pokémon Heroes]])
*Deoxys ([[Destiny Deoxys]])
*Manaphy ([[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]])
*Phione ([[DP113]])
*Darkrai ([[The Rise of Darkrai]] and [[DP104]])
*Shaymin ([[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]])

Uknown, yet debateable:
*Cresselia - If there's more than one Darkrai, why not Cresselia?
*Heatran - Only one has appeared so far, and even then, it was in the distant past.
*Jirachi - It came from space. We don't know if more are out there like Deoxys and Clefairy.
*The legendary birds - Unlike the beasts, we don't know if there were only 3 specifically created, although it is probable that they're unique.
*The legendary beasts- Although we know that Ho-Oh created 3 from the ashes of Pokémon, Suicune has appeared multiple times and sometimes in different regions. It has appeared in 3 episodes of the anime and one movie. The Entei in [[Spell of the Unown]] was only an illusion created by the Unown.

Unique:
*Mewtwo - It isn't actually a legendary in the anime, just a bad clone of one.
*Ho-Oh - Even though its counterpart, Lugia, is known to be able to have offspring, Ho-Oh seems to be a single Pokémon that travels around.
*Celebi - Although many appeared in [[Pokémon 4Ever]], they were the same Celebi, just from different time periods. The past and future came together in the present.
*Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza - Kyogre and Groudon have appeared in the Team Magma and Team Aqua arc, and Kyogre has appeared in a movie or two. Rayquaza could be argued as having more than one in its species, but it is most likely the only one.
*Azelf, Uxie, and Mesprit - They were created by Arceus to keep Dialga and Palkia in balance.
*Dialga and Palkia - They are the keepers of time and space.
*Giratina - It is the guardian of the Reverse World, an distorted mirror of the Pokémon world. Although it could be argued that because mirror dimensions exist, and there would be Reverse Worlds for each of these mirror dimensions, that is extremely technical and most likely won't be mentioned.
*Arceus - Creator of the Pokémon universe. Not much more to say about that.

If that doesn't clear some things up, I don't know what will. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, there is no way that Celebi would be the same Celebi from different time periods (as most of those Celebi [those supposedly from the future] would also not exist if that were the case, since it died.). As for Groudon and Kyogre, it was heavily implied in the end of Scuffle of Legends that they went to sleep again for another age-long rest (almost eternal), and it was also implied that the orbs are the only way they can awake, so it's more likely that Kyogre, at least, has multiples (since unless someone had bonded with the Blue Orb, then Kyogre should not awake, and thus not appear in Movie 9 if it's the same one.). Rayquaza was also implied to be captured by Team Rocket, and it won't make any sense that Rayquaza would be around the atmosphere if it can't get out (which the scene of it's capture implies that it can't escape.) Dialga and Palkia, did they even recognize Ash and co. when they appeared in the Team Galactic Two-Parter? If not, they're definitely not one of a kind, and since Giratina is also part of the same trio, that means it has to have multiples as well. For the Three Pixies, if there are more than one Dialga and Palkia, there are definitely going to be more than one Pixie Trio. So far, the only pokemon to be completely confirmed to be one of a kind without a doubt is Mewtwo. If Arceus somehow appears later on and doesn't even recognize Ash and Co, then it's safe to say that Arceus is also not one of a kind. As for Ho-Oh, let's wait until Movie 13 before we can say that it's one of a kind (If it doesn't recognize Ash, then it's safe to say it's not one of a kind.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

::Wow. I wasn't asking for a "Your wrong, stupid." type of response. We're trying to clear things up, not get into a fight. But since you want an argument for my point... For Celebi, the concept of time in the Pokémon universe, both games and movies, isn't immediate. In PMD2, you don't disappear right away. You still have like, a minute before you start to go away after correcting time. In Movie 12, it took forever for Ash and co. to nearly disappear, which they didn't. Celebi would have enough time to come back to heal itself. And who said it died anyways? It would also know when it would need to heal itself since it's a time travellor, and has basically the same powers that Dialga has, except they're not as massively powerful. There also isn't more than one Palkia, Dialga, or Arceus, as they're the only ones that are in existance. Dialga lives in a dimension outside of time, and Palkia controls all dimensions, except for Dialga's and Arceus'. It doesn't really matter if Palkia and Dialga recognize Ash and co. in the anime, because the anime =/= the movies. And from what I can tell, they don't do anything anyways. Cyrus captures them, and then the Lake trio free them and they go away. And there isn't more than one of each of the Lake trio, because there's... wait for it... ''three'' lakes for the ''three'' Lake guardians, and ''three'' {{tt|gifts|emotion, willpower, knowledge}} to humans. And so what if it appears that Team Rocket has Rayquaza? That was only in the intro to Movie 9 to show that there's evil in the Pokémon world. As for Groudon and Kyogre, again, anime =/= movies. Can't stress that enough. Those anime episodes were directly based off of R/S. There isn't any movie that's based specifically off of any part of a game. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:::If Anime=/=Movies, then you shouldn't have even cited the movies in the first place (In other words, you shouldn't have cited Darkrai's appearances, as well as the other Legendary Pokémons appearances.). As for who said it had died, the mere fact that even the newly purified healing spring wasn't able to heal it implied that it had died. And for the record, I wasn't calling you stupid nor even implying that you were. And another thing, just because there are three lakes in Sinnoh that hold the pixie trio does not mean that there cannot be more than one Pixie trio. It was earlier implied that there was only one Mew left in existance, yet it was later made clear that there were actually two mews. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Isn't there more than one Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina because of every Gen. IV game having them, but in different ways. HeartGold and SoulSilver has Arceus create one on the spot while DPPt has one already there. Doesn't that mean they are debatable? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::I really don't think any of this matters actually. The only part that talks about unique legendaries, other than that one sentence, is the bottom where it lists the different in-battle music. I would say more, except I know Mchairybug will contradict everything I say. That's why I've stopped talking about it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

===Definitively===
We can only say without a doubt that Mewtwo is unique in the anime. Arceus, the dragon trio, and the lake trio are presumed due to their link to the universe's creation. The rest, we can't say definitively, though we can more or less assume there's been only one Ho-Oh we've ever seen (Ash indicates it), and the weather trio's important roles also seem to point to there being only one of each.

Also, don't, ''don't'' think in the game sense in the anime. Also, the movies are canon, Ash-haters, find another thing he's not worthy of to rip on him for... like Gible or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It's notable though that in "Mewtwo Strikes Back" Mew is refered in the single sense by many trainers(Such as saying "Mewtwo was cloned from Mew" instead of "Mewtwo was cloned from A Mew"). It could be that this Mew is ether the last one of the Mew kind, or just the Mew that's DNA was used to make Mewtwo. It's impossible to say though, since the movie never expands on this fact.--[[User:Dsman195276|Dsman195276]] 04:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Wobbuffett in the trivia section ==
Wobbuffett is not a legendary, but it along with Garchomp are the only non-legendary pokémon to be considered uber in competitive battling {{unsigned|Rocklee clone}}
:Unofficial tiers of competitive battling is irrelevant to this article. There's no need to mention Wobbuffet here. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 21:27, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia; Other languages ==

So, I was looking on the French analog site (Poképédia) and noticed that there are only six legendaries that have had their name changed. (As far as I can tell, only a few of the non legendary pokémon retain the same english name.) They are: Zapdos (Électhor), Moltres (Sulfura), and Articuno(Artikodin); and Azelf(Créfadet), Mesprit(Créfollet), and Uxie(Créhelf).
Does this count as trivia?--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 00:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:This is already mentioned in the article's trivia section.;)--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 01:14, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Whoops. Didn't see that.--[[User:Lamb|Lamb]]''([[User talk:Lamb|talk]])'' 06:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== In Game Re-battle ==

I know from elsewhere on this site that (in HGSS at least) if the legendary beasts are KO'd in battle, they can be 'revived' and battled again (for example, if you KO suicune, it'll keep reapearing in Burnt Tower until it's caught). I was just wondering which other legendaries can also be rebattled if they're KO'd? --[[User:Oatzy|Oatzy]] 23:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:I believe it is any Pokémon that appears as a one-time capture, and you have to (re)battle the Elite Four in order to reset them. I know it works on Sudowoodo. On a similar note, I would like to know if its nature, IVs, etc. are reset when it reappears, particularly in regard to the roaming Pokémon. Giratina's stats were reset in Platinum. --[[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 19:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Champion Cynthia's team. ==

Did anyone else notice the groupings in http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon#Other_Pok.C3.A9mon_of_myth ?

Out of the eleven bullet points on that list, Cynthia uses pokemon from five points, exactly one pokemon for each of those five points.
The groupings aren't exactly hewn in stone, though, so it's hardly trivia worthy. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

== Reshiram and Zekrom ==

{{u|MAGNEDETH}} made the completely understandable decision to lock down this page to curb speculation, but Reshiram and Zekrom are confirmed to be legendaries by the Japanese site: http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/top.html [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 20:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'll be adding them later on. This whole damn page has been in cleanup for a couple months now, but I've been distracted. I'll finish editing it tomorrow and finally add them, under a Generation V header, tomorrow. Er. Today. I guess. It's early. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Zoroark? ==

Should Zoroark be in Other Pokémon of myth?? Or do we need to wait till the movie has actually premiered so we know exactly what he/she/it is or done?
:Wait till the movie comes out. We don't know much about Zoroark's role, yet. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 08:57, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::Again, likely to be at least mentioned when I finish my cleanup of this damned thing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Is the fact that both Zorua and Zoroark event-''only'' sufficient to declare them Legendary? I'm not sure, but I believe that all pokémon available ''only'' through events are Legendary. I'm honestly not sure, however, if that is distinction enough for to be considered Legendary. [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 07:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a bit too soon to say that it is definitely a legendary. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not convinced it is, though. Are they not, by definition, 幻のポケモン? They're almost even more illusory than Mew, Celebi and the like - not only are they event-only, but you need to attend said event ''prior to the launch of the games''. I ask this honestly, but... if that isn't the very picture of a Legendary Pokémon, what is? If what they are is not sufficient to be declared Legendary, then perhaps the article will need a tighter definition. Please do not misunderstand me, I'm not simply trying to be a nag [although I apologize, I realize I must sound like I am], I'm asking specifically because it seems to be that the status of these two is sort of at the crux of the definition of what it means to be Legendary and thus relevant, one way or another, to the article.
:::::Let me see if I can word my thoughts better. The article discusses the definition of Legendary at the introduction, before the TOC; the first section mentions common characteristics of being Legendary. What we have for these two matches the definition provided in the introduction; what we ''don't'' have for these two is a match, or lack of a match, with the common characteristics. Regardless of whether we are ultimately "right" about their Legendary status, if we say we don't have enough information to declare them Legendary, then maybe should the common characteristics [or some of them, whichever are truly defining] be considered as a part of the definition and moved to the introduction of the article?
:::::My goal here is ''not'' simply to see that Zorua and Zoroark be placed on the article. My goal is to see the article improve. I know, I know, it's a Featured Article and thus is considered awesome by the community - because, well, it is:) - but that doesn't mean that even an awesome article has no room to grow. In my original comment, I said plainly, I don't know whether being event only is sufficient to be called Legendary... but I ''shouldn't'' not know. Does that make sense?
:::::I'm sorry that I'm not good with words. I fear I'm going to be misunderstood here. Text only shows so little of meaning that misunderstandings are simple. I'm not trying to be critical, I'm not trying to say the article is bad. It not only isn't bad, I'll happily reiterate that it's awesome. But ultimately, if the legendary status of these two Pokémon is still in question, then the article's definition of legendary needs tightening. [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 16:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::TTE, let me also say that in no way are the arguments I've presented mean I am impatient to see the article updated. I completely understand that you're not a machine whose sole job in life is to update this site :) If this page is not updated until long after B&W comes out, I will not be upset. My sole desire is to see the article be as good as it can be. I feel that I do not have the proper words to contribute directly, even if the article was unlocked, so this is the only way that I feel I ''can'' contribute right now. [[User:Lostdrewid|Lostdrewid]] 17:04, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I'd like to know where it's been confirmed that Zorua and Zoroark are ''only'' obtainable through the special events in BW? For all we know, Zorua and Zoroark will also be able to obtained in-game by normal means (wild encounter, NPC gift, etc.), it's just that the event ones are special for whatever reason.
:::::::Unless Spiky-eared Pichu is considered legendary now. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

==plagiarism?==

I fear that content from this page has been copied onto this page. http://pokemonorg.wetpaint.com/page/Groups+of+Legendary+Pokemon
and maybe loads of other original bulbapedia content has been hoarded. can any one look into this?mods?admins? {{unsigned|AGGRON999}}
:Thanks, I'll take a look into it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::Even if the articles are original the images are taken directly from Bulbapedia and in fact link here when one clicks on the image.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 05:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the links go here too. I've spoken with the site owner and he's yet to get back to me. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Thanks. :D

== Huh? ==

Um, actually, Heatran is ''not'' the only legendary Pokémon with a variable gender. There's also Spiritomb. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 20:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:Spiritomb isn't legendary.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Well then why is Spiritomb so hard to obtain? --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 20:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:Feebas isn't a legendary, but it's almost equally hard to obtain as Spiritomb... they just choose to make some Pokemon difficult to obtain, and some easy to obtain. Adds variety, you know? ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 21:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

== SIX Legendaries changed names? ==
Uxie's name is the same in Japanese and English; the lack of Y is just localization and doesn't affect pronunciation (it's no more different - in fact, less so - than Lucario being "Rukario" in Japanese). However, the article says ''six'' legendary Pokemon changed names (the other five, of course, being Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mesprit, and Azelf.) --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 09:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:I agree, Uxie shouldn't count.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 09:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::Except Lucario's Japanese name is Lucario, it's just spelled as Rukario in katakana. Yuxie>Uxie isn't any less of a change than Dodorio>Dodrio, Donfan>Donphan, or Chicorita>Chikorita. If anything, Houou>Ho-oh and Crecelia>Cresselia should be counted as well. --[[User:Goldenpelt]] 01:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I gotta agree there... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree about the Lucario comparison. Uxie's Katakana name is Yukushii, not Yuxie, so it's not the same thing. But it does seem a bit silly to say that they are different names if they are pronounced the same. When they design the official romanji names they aren't thinking about the English audience, so of course it makes sense to change the spelling if they think it helps people of that audience pronounce it correctly. It's still the same name. --[[User:CrimsonChin|CrimsonChin]] 17:57, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== Victini ==

Shouldn't this little creature be added? Id add it, but alas, I am not allowed *cries*. Or are we awaiting more information on it? --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 11:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:It's been added... I just improved some things. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Mew's "Unique Battle Music" ==

I really don't think this point should be in the trivia section; isn't that same re-mixed Kanto music used for the birds and, in FR/LG, for the beasts as well? The music for the weather trio and the elemental Regis is more unique than that.[[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 16:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're different remixes. Mewtwo's remix I ''think'' is used for Ho-Oh and Lugia in FRLG, in that event no one got anywhere. Mew's is a completely different remix. The legendary birds also have a different remix. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Uniqueness in the games ==

In the trivia section it says "In the games, there appears to only be one of every legendary Pokémon", however that's not entirely true. There's only one you can catch, but I've seen a Zapdos and a Heatran in the Battle Hall in Platinum. --[[User:CrimsonChin|CrimsonChin]] 17:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Add {{template|-}} before every generation header. →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 22:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not having any issues, and I'm using a standard monitor. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Capitalization ==

*A [http://www.pokemon.com/us/games/videogame-pokemon-ranger-guardian-signs/ recent page] on Pokémon.com mentions it as "Legendary Pokémon," not "legendary Pokémon" (with a capital L). I haven't looked yet, but do other things (games, manga, cards, sites, etc.) mention the term as such? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Takuto ==
I think it's important to include an exmaple Takuto has two legendary Pokemon under the "anime" section, and no ramifications were apparent as a result of him possessing legendary Pokemon. {{unsigned|Datonyp1}}

== Split? ==
With Gen V being released very soon, don't you think this entry might get a bit too big? Perhaps we should split it by Generation. Although it might be somewhat of a shame though... [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Deer" (and where in the world is Victini?) ==

I think "deer" is a poor group name for that trio, seeing as the closest animals they resemble are the gazelle, the wildebeest, and the oryx{{tt|*|Okay, I'm actually guessing on this last one}}, all bovids. "Musketeers", while not as descriptive, is a lot less inaccurate, as it groups them by their running theme, and doesn't alienate Keldeo. 
On a different subject, shouldn't Victini have a paragraph in somewhere? --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 01:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== "Raijin" Trio ==
"Borutorosu, ''Torunerosu'', and Randorosu are a trio of Pokémon based on Japanese Raijin, gods of thunder and lightning"
Torunerosu is most likely based on Fuujin, god of wind {{unsigned|Vienna Waltz}}

== About Energy Dragon Trio ==
I can't edit talk page there so I make here, I found something on the name
ReshiRAM, ZekROM, KyuREM (RAM-ROM-REM)[[User:Arceus Vs Dragon Trio|Arceus Vs Dragon Trio]] 11:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Celebi (Pokémon)

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==Celi Bee==
When did this disco artist appear and how likely is it that Game Freak knew of them? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yea, let's get rid of that. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::It looks like Celebi is just based on a generic disco stereotype. Look at this, and compare it to the light and dark green patterns on Celebi:
http://www.patriciafield.com/ProductImages/womenswear_merch/hofshinedress_large.jpg
::(Note that that was the only image I could find that showed a front and a back.) Actually, on that note, should there be a mention of it resembling a "disco" stereotype in general?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 21:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Because sleveless dresses have no place in contemporary human culture outside of disco. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 01:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:I expect there is no way that they would design or name another Pokémon after a real living person after the [[Yungerer|Yungeller]] fiasco. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 01:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::I couldn't think of a better way to describe it, okay? I was actually thinking of Miror B. when I posted that, Celebi has arms that look like his wide sleeves. (Yes, I know this is old.)--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 23:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

== Quick Question, TCG ==

I have a Celebi card and I want to add the info in it's own article. I'm slightly new here so I don't know much about creating TCG articles. What's confusing me though is the broken link on this page. When I go about creating the page should I make a sort of disambiguation page in case that there is more than 1 type of Celebi card? Or should I just make the page go right to a single card? I may not have phrased that right but hopefully somebody understands what I'm tying to ask. Help please. [[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 13:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:The chances are your Celebi card already has its own article here, as we have articles on every English language Pokémon card in existence. A list of all Celebi cards can be found {{TCG|Celebi|here}}, and your card is very likely to be there. [[User:Cipher|Cipher]] 19:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== Artwork ==

Can we use side-game artworks here, like Ranger? *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 07:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
:Why are we using this and not it's Official Art? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:40, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::Something about most recent artwork being preferred.--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::That ''is'' official art. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Official as in this: [[image:251Celebi.png|200px]] Not side art. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::From what I've heard, it is ''official'' art done by an ''official'' artist just for a side game.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::All artwork released by Nintendo is, by definition, official. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::While this is true, I am talking about using art from the main series, not a side-game. It's inconsistent. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:58, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:In what way is the artwork inconsistent? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::You're honestly asking? Some Pokémon use their art from the main series while others use their art from a side game? It very inconsistent. That's why we have the "Artwork on Bulbagarden Archives" link in the infobox. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It almost looks less consistent to have this old artwork where all the newer artwork is on other pages. I think the page on [[GSDS]] mentions it.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 15:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::::It's all Sugimori art. It's the same style. The Ranger art is in a different style and when compared to other art, the differences are quite existent. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::And the Ranger artwork is more recent than the G/S/C artwork. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 16:01 12/21/2008

::::::That doesn't matter. There is no rule anywhere saying that we have to use the most recent artwork. The official artwork beats any other artwork out there. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::What about using Art from the anime? I mean in the cases of Pokémon from Johto. They are drawn by Ken Sugimori too. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 16:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Fabu-Vinny. All artwork from Nintendo is official. Nintendo owns the copyrights and the franchise. The artist doesn’t. What’s inconsistent? Not using the same style as the character was originally drawn in from their first appearance, or not using the same artwork from one artist only? What it comes down to is you are splitting hairs. Any artwork officially recognized by Nintendo is acceptable. From a regular person’s point of view any good artwork would be acceptable, but it is a good policy to stay on Nintendo’s good side and use only official images. [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 07:27, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== Avalibility ==

I keep hearing that you can get every Pokémon on to Diamond/Pearl except Celebi, but the article says that PKMN Colosseum's Japanese bonus disk allows you to get it, why do I keep seeing that? [[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]] 10:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:Because it's true. Japanese fans were able to transfer Celebi onto their GenIII games, and then to DP through Pal Park. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== Shining Celebi? ==

Can you even have a Shining Celebi? Cause I don't think you can catch it in Gen 3 or 4 games (eliminating the 1/8,192 chance or whatever..). And all event Celebi have been non-shiny. Right? So how did my friend get a shiny Celebi? Was there a shiny event Celebi? [[User:Sivart345|Sivart345]] 17:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:It's a hack. While it is possible to get a shiny one from the Japanese bonus disc, it is so unlikely that your friend got the disc, the memory card and the shiny that you can count on the fact that it is a hack.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 17:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
: Thanks but one more question; which event Celebi was it (just wondering), I mean the year? [[User:Sivart345|Sivart345]] 20:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I went at looked at the event Celebi and found 4, [[List_of_Nintendo_event_Pok%C3%A9mon_in_2003#Ageto_Celebi|Ageto Celebi (Bonus Disc)]]/[[Pok%C3%A9mon_Colosseum#Ageto_Celebi|Ageto Celebi (Colosseum link, bonus disc)]], [[List_of_Nintendo_event_Pok%C3%A9mon_in_2006#Pok.C3.A9Park_Celebi|PokéPark Celebi]], [[List_of_Nintendo_event_Pok%C3%A9mon_in_2006#Mitsurin_Celebi|Mitsurin Celebi]], and [[List_of_10th_Anniversary_event_Pok%C3%A9mon#Celebi_and_Charizard|10 ANNIV Celebi]]. All are non-shining. So doesn't that make Celebi the only Pokémon that ''cannot'' be a '''legit''' shiny? Cause I thought that event Pokémon only come non-shiny unless specified and that the 1/8192 chance refers to Pokémon in the wild?Sivart345 ([[User:Sivart345|user]] · [[User talk:Sivart345|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|contrib]]) 23:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I also found that no Jirachi have ever been shiny. So 2 Pokémon cannot be shiny; Celebi (see links) and Jirachi (check all the event Jirachi)Sivart345 ([[User:Sivart345|user]] · [[User talk:Sivart345|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|contrib]]) 16:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Can be, just can't legitimately be at this point in time. Soft resetting in DPPt (and likely HGSS too) will allow a Mystery Gifted Celebi to be shiny. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

If the sprites are in the game, the shiny form exists. Therefore, there are shiny celebis and jirachis. They just have not been able to be legitimately caught yet. Except in the very rare cases of the Japanese bonus discs, but that does prove it is possible no matter how unlikely. [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 07:33, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== How is this relevant? ==

"Celebi is the mascot of Serebii.net."

Is stating mascots for website necessary?

Forgot to sign [[user:riggins]]

:Trivia is never necessary. :p But it's there just the same. BTW, when signing, write this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

::True, True but it just stick out at the top being one line. It seems even less useful then most because it's so painfully ovisous. [[User:riggins|Riggy(>0.0)>]]
:::Well we have this on {{p|Bulbasaur}}:
"Bulbasaur is the mascot of Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden."
I know it's us but still.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Ya I just noticed and I have to agree. I still stand by my feelings that it's really not relevant BUT since it protain to us I'm afraid to challenge it. I have to say if the admins say it stays then does that mean we have to name the mascot of every fan site? It seems pretty silly seeing as there must be thousands of fan site and it does not make sense at all. Just because we and serebii are at the top doesn't mean we should get special treatment.--[[User:Riggins|Riggy(>0.0)>]] 02:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We have certain criteria for what fansites get real mention such as their own page (see here: [[Bulbapedia:Project Fandom]]), theoretically, similar criteria could be used for their mascots. For example, any fansite with an article could have their mascot mentionned.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

:::::Well ok but my point is why even point it out in the first place? If your a avid pokemon fan then your already familiar with most of the top pokemon sites. Also it is still very ovisous in it's like saying did you know that pikachu is the mascot to pokemon. If we give fansite trivia then how is it different from adding any thing that's not directly related the pokemon?--[[User:Riggins|Riggy(>0.0)>]] 02:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Third line of {{p|Pikachu}}:
"Pikachu is popularly known as the mascot of the Pokémon franchise."--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:54, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

:::::
I'm refering to triva not the whole page

Yes but what I mean is avid pokemon fan go to the top fan sites regularly and will already know about there mascot and any one who would not know would most likely not be a person who cares or is a serous fan. If you don't know about serebii then your not a serous fan because the site is made for up to date news and in depth info about pokemon for people who care about that kind of stuff.

Also if they have there own article then why not have it in it's respective article as it's own trivia instead of in a pokemon article were it's irrelevant to the pokemon's info?--[[User:Riggins|Riggy(>0.0)>]] 03:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:It is relevant to the Pokemon though. Out of 492 others, that one has been chosen. And I get the picture that you are insinuating we do not have articles or include any information about things that are common knowledge to fanboys. This is absolutely not the case. We strive for completeness, and — as much as the trom hates the almost compulsory trivia sections — this little fact is quite good. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, there were only 251 Pokémon when Celebi was chosen as the mascot. I think it's still worth keeping, but I've moved it to the bottom of the Trivia because it's the least important. The same goes for the "Mudkipz" stuff in Mudkip's Trivia. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 09:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== Add to the main page ==

For some reason, I am unable to edit any Pokémon pages, so can someone please change this, "Celebi is a green fairy-like creature. Celebi has round, toe-less feet, three-fingered hands and clear wings on its back. Celebi has a round head that comes to a point and sticks upward in the back, large baby-blue eyes with black rings around them and a pair of green antennae that are tipped blue." It should be, "Celebi is a green fairy-like creature. Celebi has round, toe-less feet; three-fingered hands; and clear wings on its back. Celebi has a round head that comes to a point and sticks upward in the back, large baby-blue eyes with black rings around them, and a pair of green antennae that are tipped blue." forgot to sign[[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 01:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think it'll flow better if the comma after "round" is deleted and the other commas in that sentence remain commas. I'll change it, and if someone doesn't like it they can just add semicolons.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 22:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Um... regarding the Name Origin... ==

It's getting a bit out of hand, to say the least. I didn't just go ahead and do it for fear of starting an edit war, but can we ''please'' get rid of the Celi Bee nonsense? It's completely irrelevant. I think maybe we could change Celebi's Name Origin section to say something like this:

"There are many possibilities as to where Celebi's name originated, but it is most likely taken from [insert most likely name origins for Celebi here]."

Does anyone have any other suggestions? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 21:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== Game Location ==

I have a Monster Brain which shows the GS Ball in Crystal (English version). I have tried that and the Teru-sama in the corresponding slot of Gold (English version) and neither work. Wikipedia has stated that the GS Ball will ''never'' work in the English version of Crystal because the routines required for the event were left out of all non-Japanese language versions. Unfortunately, they have watered-down their Pokémon entries so much they now only state that it cannot be caught, but not why. I have just confirmed this one last time. Mention has been made in other articles that hackers have successfully caught a celebi in this manner. What do the hackers hack? ROMs? If it only works in ROMs, say so. I don’t think ROM hacks are supposed to count on Bulbapedia anyway, are they? [[User:White Phoenix|White Phoenix]] 07:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== Protect the Celebi!!! ==

Why is this page protected now? Is it because of the Celi Bee dispute? --[[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon777''''']] '' 12:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
:No, it is because of the iPhone application. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 12:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
::All Pokémon pages are being protected right now due to this {{tt|iPhone application|This is why all Apple products suck.}}. Minor edit will be made and the Pokémon pages will be back shortly.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

== Only Shiny Pokemon in Handheld PMD Games ==

Should it be noted that Celebi is the only Shiny pokemon on the handheld PMD games? [[User:Giralga|Giralga]] 03:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
I think so, but wait until someone else says too... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:28, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
No, it is. I've played both games and I only found 2 shinys. a golbat and a celebi. And it was THAT celebi. So it is the only plot specific one. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I know this is old, but...YOU FOUND A SHINY IN MYSTERY DUNGEON?????? Please give more details. I didn't think that was possible. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 22:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

== HG/SS event? ==

any ideas when the event will happen...? hopefully they'll do it on american wi-fi. cause I want to ligitmately trigger and fight the secret Geovanni boss. {{unsigned|CloudHiro}}
:No idea. We'll Bulbanews it when we know. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Celebi is a Pokemon that makes nature a theme. ==

Testimony by developer. http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ (2010/7/12)　[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== External link? ==

Why is that there, and since when do we link to videos of hacking to find Pokémon? Is it okay to remove it? ~~ '''[[User:Scyther Be Awesome|Scyther Be Awesome!]] [[User talk:Scyther Be Awesome|Bother me here.]]''' 02:26, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:That shouldn't be there. Removed. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:23, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. Influence of Shintoism. ==

nature worship might be influenced from Shintoism. Ilex Forest shrine is remarkably like to the Shinto shrine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Plan_of_Shinto_Shrine.jpg
[[Ilex Forest shrine]]

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:That belongs on the Ilex Forest shrine page, not here (and you have already put it there). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for correcting my Poor English.
::Celebi is a living thing that makes nature a theme. Shintoism is related to nature worship. The place where Celebi exists is similar to the Shinto shrine.
::I want to point out the possibility in which Shintoism influences it. When the protection of this page is released, I describe to trivia.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::「Celebi might be related to nature worship of Shintoism.」I will reflect this sentence in the origin. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, I think that sounds good. Now we have to wait for an admin to add it (or for 1 day, as that is when the lock will expire). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for explaining. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Celebi learns a move every nine levels- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Stephen Keane}} ([[User talk:Stephen Keane|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stephen Keane|contribs]]) ''

== Please Explain? ==

I just saw this

"Celebi is the last Pokémon in the Johto Pokédex and Hoenn Pokédex, although in the latter, Celebi is not shown."

what is the point of the hoenn part? lol
it is the last and isn't shown? {{unsigned|Water type Master}}
:All Pokémon in Generation III have a Hoenn Pokédex number, but they are not shown in the Pokédex. If the game is modified so that you can catch Celebi before obtaining the national dex, or if one is received via an event, then it will display a Hoenn Pokédex number. That is what these are. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Proposed edit? ==

Can I mention in its opening paragraph at the top of the page "Celebi is widely regarded as the rarest Pokémon of all time, due to the fact not many events and giveaways have been held for it, and [rarely/never] outside Japan" or something?? I think it'd be appropriate, but maybe it's not necessary? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Deerling (Pokémon)

2010-08-07T14:30:01Z

Bttsstewart:

{{Unknown Pokémon}}
{{Protect}}
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{{PokémonInfobox|
jname=シキジカ |
tmname=Shikijika |
image=Shikijika.png |
size=150px|
caption=Spring Shikijika art by [[Ken Sugimori]] from {{v2|Black and White|s}} |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|shik-i-ji-ka}}}''</sc> |
species=Seasonal |
typen=2 |
type1=Normal |
type2=Grass |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Chlorophyll |

idex=??? |

height-m=??? |

weight-kg=??? |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Unknown |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=-1 |
expyield=? |
lv100exp=Unknown |
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([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''シキジカ''' ''Shikijika'') is a dual-type {{2t|Normal|Grass}} [[Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation V]].

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Shikija is a deer or fawn-like Pokemon, most resembling a fallow deer, with facial similarities to Shaymin’s Sky Forme. The upper side of its body is colored pink, and is rimmed and dappled with yellow patterns, with the underside of its body being a lighter beige shade. It sports a yellowish-colored, floral tuft on its head, and similar yellow coloration on the ear insides of its tapering ears. The tips of its limbs are colored black and its pink tail is small.

====Gender differences====
Unknown.

===Special abilities===

Shikijika changes in appearance with the changing of the seasons: in the spring it is pink, in the summer it is green, in the fall it is orange, and winter's color is brown.

===Behavior===

===Habitat===

===Diet===

==In the anime==
===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==


==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Normal
|type2=Grass
|gen=5
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Normal|
type2=Grass|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Unknown |
bwarea=Currently Unknown |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====


===Type effectiveness===
{{type effectiveness|
type1=Normal |
type2=Grass |
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 200 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 200 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====

====Special moves====

====[[TCG]]-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{Evobox/Formes
|sprite1=HGSS Question Mark Sprite
|name1=Shikijika
|type1-1=Normal
|type2-1=Grass
|forme1=Shikijika
|fake1=yes
}}

===Sprites===

==Trivia==
*Shikijika is one of only three {{type2|Normal}} Pokémon which has a secondary type that is not {{t|Flying}}, the others being {{p|Girafarig}} and {{p|Bibarel}}.

===Origin===
Shikijika is based on either a {{wp|Fallow Deer}} or a fawn.

====Name origin====
Shikijika's name is a combination of 四季 ''shiki'', four seasons, and 鹿 ''shika'', deer.

==In other languages==


==External links==

==Notes==
<references />
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=??? | next=???| prevnum=???| nextnum=???| type=Normal |type2=Grass }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}




[[de:Shikijika]]

Talk:Evolution stone

2010-08-04T06:45:19Z

Bttsstewart: /* Do Oval and Everstones count? */

== Important==
The sun & moon shards are NOT related to the sun & moon stones. They are simply used as an alternative to the happiness method, allowing the player to select either Umbreon or Espeon WITHOUT ending up with the evolution opposite of what they want because it is too happy at the wrong time of day.
:I think it's more that XD can't read the GCN clock, for whatever reason, and because they wanted to allow people to get any of the Eeveelutions instantly. Besides, the Oval Stone's here... and that's a held item. In fact, I'd wonder whether or not Moss Rock and Ice Rock belong here, too. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 16:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::I'd say that only items that you use on a Pokémon to evolve them instantly should be here. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 18:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Can't you read [[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]'''? That's what I meant![[User:Gatogirl|Gatogirl]]
:What you said was that it was as an alternative to Happiness, which would imply that the day/night happiness was accessible in XD. And anyway, what other point do either the Sun or Moon Shards have besides evolution? Metal Coat evolves by attachment, Razor Claw evolves by attachment, but both of them have another purpose. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 16:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

----

In Emerald, does the Everstone have any effect other than preventing evolution? I ask because it seems as though all time-based effects, like berries growing, stop whenever pokemon in my party are holding an Everstone. But maybe it's just a coincidence, and the berries not growing is unrelated... --[[User:Waterboy|Waterboy]] 20:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:No, in Emerald the only thing it does is stop evolution and if you give it to a Pokemon in the breeding center, it has a 50% chance of passing down the holder's nature to the baby. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

== Water stone locations ==

In pokemon crystal I got a water stone from Fisher Tully. Perhaps other ways of getting the various stones should be mentioned or something. Also google says that Danna Lass gives Thunderstones. These are only in crystal though, but still worth mentioning.

--[[User:Scwizard|Scwizard]] 17:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
:[[Pokégear]]. I'll add them in, I guess. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
::...is there any other place ''besides'' giving a Blue Shard to that one guy in Emerald to get a Water Stone? D: [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

== Thunderstone in New Mauville ==

There is a Thunderstone in [[New Mauville]] (at least in "Pokémon Emerald"). Shouldn't it be mentioned?
:If there actually is one, then yes it should be mentioned{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 14:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

There is also a Thunderstone in [[New Mauville]] in Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire. -MasterKenobi

== Moon/Sun Shard ==

Despite the fact that there is the item Moon Shard and Sun Shard, can evolve via normal means, or is there no timeframe, similar to FR and LG? Also, is it an item that is transferrable to the GBA games? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 14:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Everstone ==

does it actually have a 50% chance of passing on the nature if given to a female mating with a ditto. Ive hatched 5 so far and Sassy has come up twice. Which isnt the nature i want. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 13:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:There's another 50 left. tc26 13:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah but where is the proof for this. It looks like fanon, and now ive hatched 7 youd expect at least one to have the nature. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 13:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::It depends on the percentage and YOUR luck everytime. Even if you hatch a million, you might not get the desired nature. I had experiences like that and mine was more that ten. Just BE PATIENT. tc26 13:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC) I hate it when the site has problems.
:::It also depends on the game. Everstone breeding does not work in any games before Emerald. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 00:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

In FireRed/LeafGreen, one of prof. Oaks Aides gives you an everstone in the pokecenter by the rock tunel if you have 20 or more pokemon in your pokedex. Just though you guys might want to add that.

== Firestone and Thunderstone!? ==

What about:

;Leaf Stone
:Gloom
:Weepinbell
:Exeggcute
;Moon Stone
:Nidorina
:Nidorino
:Clefairy
:Jigglypuff
;Thunderstone
:Pikachu
:Eevee
;Waterstone
:Poliwhirl
:Shellder
:Staryu
:Eevee

So this:
So far, only Generation I Pokémon can use the Fire Stone and Thunderstone, only Generation II Pokémon
can use the Dusk Stone, and only Generation III Pokémon can use the Dawn Stone.

The Moon Stone, Leaf Stone, and Water Stone are the only stones introduced in one generation that evolve
Pokémon introduced in a later generation.
is false.

D.S.B. [[User:Pandamonia|Pan]]·[[User:Pandamonia|da]]·[[User:Pandamonia|mo]]·[[User_talk:Pandamonia|ni]]·[[Special:Contributions/Pandamonia|a]] 20:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What exactly are you saying is false? The Moon Stone evolves Skitty...Leaf Stone evolves Nuzleaf...and Water evolves Lombre. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::Probably the wording in the second half. "a later generation" does not apply to the Dusk and Dawn stones. Other than that, it looks okay to me. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 21:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, I thought it said that G1 pokes could only use the Fire Stone and Thunderstone. [[User:Pandamonia|Pan]]·[[User:Pandamonia|da]]·[[User:Pandamonia|mo]]·[[User_talk:Pandamonia|ni]]·[[Special:Contributions/Pandamonia|a]] 01:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::That is also true. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon Evolutionary Stones in Ruby/Sapphire ==

An '''Everstone''' can be found in [[Granite Cave]].
A '''Fire Stone''' can be found on the [[Fiery Path]].
A '''Leaf Stone''' can be found on [[Route 119]].
A '''Moon Stone''' can be found at [[Meteor Falls]] and also stolen from wild Lunatone (only found in Sapphire).
A '''Sun Stone''' can be found at the Mossdeep City space research center and also stolen from wild Solrock (only found in Ruby).
A '''Water Stone''' can be found in the [[Abandoned Ship]].
A '''Thunder Stone''' can be found in [[New Mauville]]. -MasterKenobi

== Fake Leaf Stone??? ==

What's with the picture of a "fake leaf stone" in the leaf stone section. --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad10]] ([[User talk:Usyflad10|talk]]) 05:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Cause it's the '''only''' Leaf Stone seen in the anime. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh i didnt know that we were only supposed to use anime pictures. --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad10]] ([[User talk:Usyflad10|talk]]) 05:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
::If I remember it right, there was a real one in the Pikachu short for the fourth movie. It caused an Exeggcute to evolve. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 05:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Darn. I don't have that movie on DVD or else I'd get it. Anyway, that's fine for now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I just checked. There isn't a clear image of the Stone. It appears as a minor detail. And it just looks like a small rock. No view of the leaf. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 07:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, at the end of the Pikachu short from [[Pokémon 2000]], an Exeggute evolves into Exeggutor using a real Leaf Stone. It actually clearly is a Leaf Stone too, leaf pattern and all. --[[User:Raylax|Raylax]] 11:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS locations ==

We need those. I know a bunch of the Gen IV stones can be bought after winning Pokéthlon races. I don't know the prices though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== Suggestion of added note ==

"Dawn Stone
This stone was first introduced in Generation IV."

"Trivia
* So far, only Generation I Pokémon can use the Fire Stone and Thunderstone, only Generation II Pokémon can use the Dusk Stone, and only Generation III Pokémon can use the Dawn Stone."

The second quoted section seems to imply that the Dawn Stone was introduced in Generation III. I personally think that some form of clarification should be added to make sure people realize that the Dawn Stone was not added until Generation IV, but simply only works on Pokémon added in Generation III.

[[User:Zellfaze|Zellfaze]] 22:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:Umm could they say they can only "work" with the Dawn Stone?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:14, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

== GSC descriptions ==

Loading up my Gold, all six I have have "Evolves certain kinds of POKéMON." as the description. Should I still add it or should we bother? [[User:Salix|Salix]] 05:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Do Oval and Everstones count? ==

Do the Oval Stone and Everstone really count as evolutionary stones? Yes, they're stones, and they effect evolution, but they are held items. An official evolutionary stone has to be directly used on a Pokémon for it to work doesn't it? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 15:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh and another thing; Pokémon that evolve using official stones never evolve again, but Happiny evolves again into Blissey after using the Oval Stone. The Oval Stone is an "Evolution-inducing held item" (I've noticed it's listed in that article as well) but it's not an official Evolutionary stone. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 15:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, can we remove 'Oval Stone' from this article? It doesn't belong here at all. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 06:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Moon/Sun Shard info removed? ==

Why was the information on the Moon and Sun Shards in XD removed? Searching for them also still redirects to this page. -Convoy
:Sorry, we redid the page. [[Sun and Moon Shards|Some information is here]]. Feel free to add more if you know anything more. Like where you get them. Or something. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny stone in HG/SS ==

Just received a Shiny stone thanks to a phone call by Bird keeper Josh on route 14. Adding it.--[[User:Kirochi|Kirochi]] 15:48, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Cynthia

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==If Ash and co. met Lucian...==
If Ash and co. met [[Lucian]], it was likely they'll meet Cynthia later in the anime. And I was right, because Cynthia is scheduled to make her first anime appearance in [[DP040]]!

User FREAKAZOID

== Garchomps gender? ==

based on gender differences, what gender is her garchomp? --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 02:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:Female. All of Cynthia's Pokémon are female EXCEPT for her Lucario. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 05:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
::I think they mean in the anime...? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Its still a female. No groove in the fin. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 06:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

In the quotes section, it says:

Before battle: 
''"One look at you tells me many things about you. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. That's enough talking. Let's get on with why you're here. I, Cynthia, accept your challenge as the Pokémon League Champion! There won't be any letup from me!"''

OR

''"Have you been keeping well? Thank you for Mt. Coronet. I'm truly grateful. Together, you and your Pokémon overcame all the challenges you faced, however difficult. It means that you've triumphed over any personal weaknesses, too. The power you learned... I can feel it emanating from you. But that's enough talk. Let's get on with why you're here. As the Pokémon League Champion, I accept your challenge!"''

What do they mean, "OR"? Doesn't she always say the same thing? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 21:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that she says the Mt.Coronet thing only when the player didn't beat the Elite Four yet.She doesn't say that to me!
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie]] 20:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Uxie Legend

== what the...? ==

whats with the line going across the page?
uhh....[[User:Kpokefan|Kpokefan]] (cuz i dont know how to make the special little signatures
:What line? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 17:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Cynthia + Rayquaza?? ==
apparently, in an episode, Cynthia is shown commanding a [[Rayquaza]]. it can be viewed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e88ROwzgUOE here]. →[[User:Thomas1652]]
:But it was in a dream. She doesn't really own that Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::aaaahh, thank you for clearing that up for me. =) →[[User:Thomas1652]]
i thought that the Rayquaza she was commanding was just an illusion, someone added it. Is it ok to take it out? [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 08:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::*Sigh*.....I'll take it out.....--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh! Someone took it out already.....--{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 19:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== elite four ==

what do the elite four and the league champ actually do in the anime?[[User:Samrulz123|Samrulz]][[User talk:Samrulz123|123]][[Image:Ani151MS.gif]] 04:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:Wait around to appear in an episode. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 06:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I always figured that in order to challenge the elite four you had to win the league tournament. We may never know [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 11:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Question ==

Cynthia also looks like the character(dont know her name) who trasform's in this video:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I50GGdQCQDs&NR=1

--[[User:Zakuro x Cynthia|[[Image:Ani492MS.gif]] Zakuro]] 08:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

== lucario ==

Does anybody else think those things in her hair look like the thing on lucario's head.I think this could mean that lucario is her main pokémon in the games (and possibly anime but not sure) [[User:Darkmaster0]]
:I always thought the things in her hair resembled a {{p|Garchomp}}....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
::It does look more like {{p|Lucario}}'s hair-type-thing, but her Garchomp is her strongest pokémon and they ,usually, are the trainer's signature pokémon. Phocks.

== Chi ==

Chi and Fei are identical twins and Chi is the main chatterer, so way dos she look like Fei and not Chi? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 12:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:What in the name of Hans Christian Anderson do you mean? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:05 18 Jun 2008'''''
::Probably another "character similarity" thing. God, I'm sick of them. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::...''who'' is Fei? The twins' names are Erda (Chi) and Freya (black Chi).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::::And the "Freya and not Chi" thing probably has to do with the black gothic clothing? Just maybe.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 16:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the mix up in the name. Thay still look the same and I don't get it? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 00:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:Is the statement even necessary? The accompanying link doesn't even have a picture and I've never even heard of the character. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 00:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::I'm really sick of those "similarities". We've got too many of them and most of them don't even look similar. I say, DELETE ALL "SIMILARITY" NOTES! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I agree. It's like "Oooh! One anime character looks like another! We should put that in!!" It's not all that notable. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this one is notable if any of them are. The have the same eyes, the same face. Clair even has hair things that look like Chi's ear's. If you ask me this one is intentional [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 14:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:I assume we're referring to Chobits here. Anyway, I did think Cynthia looked a bit like a Persicom on first impression, and her very long hair and black clothes are reminiscent of Freya, but I wouldn't say this is particularly relevant to Bulbapedia. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 16:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Dream Rayquaza (Please don't ignore this) ==

If we include her Rayquaza, shouldn't we include the Piplup, Chimchar, and Turtwig from {{an|Dawn}}'s [[DP001]] dream? If you agree with me, please make the table, cuz remember, I don't know how!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:That was more of Dawn daydreaming that she had those Pokémon. Plus, it wasn't appearant to the characters at first that they were dreaming when Cynthia had a Rayquaza. I don't know, maybe Rayquaza shouldn't count... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 20:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But it was still a dream Pokémon, just saying--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Ash. Kanto starters. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No, he woke up to the Gengar/Nidorino battle, remember?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:No he didn't... He was watching that on T.V. the night before he left on his journey. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

But the Kanto starters in the dream [[Ash's Bulbasaur|manifested]] [[Ash's Charizard|them]][[Ash's Squirtle|selves]] into reality. And what about May commanding Mudkip in [[AG001]]?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah but that's not what I was talking about. You said he woke up to the battle of Nidorino and Gengar, which he didn't.
:Back to the subject about dream Pokémon, just because Ash got all the starters he dreamed about doesn't mean that everyone gonna get the Pokémon they've dreamed about. These stupid dream Pokémon shouldn't even be mentioned. Especially not the ones in Dawn's dream. What about all those Pokémon that Meowth always dreams Giovanni has in his dreams. Are we gonna mentioned those now? --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

[[Boss fantasy|Already have a page for that]]--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well that's merely a section of the boss fanasy article. Doesn't mean that other people should have dream Pokémon mentioned. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== Color ==

Why is her table color white? It blends with the background. Wouldn't black/a shade of gray be better? [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Likely. Pick one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Leiji Matsumoto ==
I know there's been a crackdown on speculative trivia, but I honestly think Cynthia's design is a reference to {{wp|Galaxy Express 999.}} Seriously, look at the Maetel-bot in that entry and tell me she's not inspired by that. - Nekusagi (don't know how to link myself)
:Done. {{tt|She's not inspired by that.|Just...doin' what ur askin'}} On a serious note, however, it's still speculation. Which isn't allowed on articles or something.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::To compare a character to another one is an opinion, as well as speculation. Opinions are not shared by everyone so they don't belong in any article. Now, I already discussed this with Neku elsewhere so there needs to be no further inquiries about this. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

== Egg ==

After running Team Galactic out of Eterna, Cynthia approaches the player near the Bicycle Shop to give him or her an Egg. I'd edit the article myself to reflect this, but I'm not sure what's in the egg -- or where in the article the information should go. [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 16:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:It is a Togepi Egg. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 19:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::Noted and changed. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I think there's a faulty tag, but I don't know what the correct one is. [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::::got it.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== In the trivia... ==

The trivia states: Cynthia's team also has at least one attack that matches the type themes of every member of the Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn Elite Four plus three members of Sinnoh's Elite Four. Flint is the only member not represented as none of Cynthia's Pokémon have Fire-type attacks.

Cynthia has a Fire-type attack: Flamethrower. It's on Garchomp before National Pokedex. If what this is stating after the NP, then please ignore this. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nidolord500}} ([[User talk:Nidolord500|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nidolord500|contribs]]) ''

== Pokédex ==
In Platinum, Cynthia tells the player character that she went on an adventure with a Pokédex when she was younger (she says this when you meet her in Celestic Town). This isn't mentioned on her page, and I think it is kind of important. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 09:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

:You know every trainer begins with a Pokédex. If you dont agree then give me examples of trainers without Pokédex. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::"''You've got a Pokedex!? Wow! Etcetera!''" Also, Pearl doesn't have one, and Wally doesn't seem to either. The game dialogue at the start of each game makes it seem like its a big deal; hence the Professor gives it ''after'' the player has done a task for him, not ''with'' the Starter Pokemon. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude about Pearl it is mentioned on his page and "doesnt seem to either" doesnt sounds convincing. Moreover as you administrators say "Wait till it is confirmes" although I dont think it will ever be . --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
When exactly was the Pokédex invented anyway? [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 09:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Pearl didn't get one because he was in a rush. Wally because he started on his own, without a starter nor a Pokédex. Other Trainers because there to lazy to get themselves one. You only see the Main player and Rival get a PokéDex. And as for Trom and Prongs, Both of you need to stop being hostile to eachother.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:Leave your messages after a : and it was recently before the first genera.. Brainwave! We are not hostile just a friendly argument. If this server breaks once more I will kill someone. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 10:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::I'm sorry... I'm being hostile? It certainly wasn't intentional. I just answered the question.... Again, sorry if it seemed like that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Please you werent. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 10:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Seems like it yeah, I always think there's some kind of rivalry between you two. Meh nevermind. My thought got me wrong.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 10:38, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Unless Cynthia is only thirteen years old (which she'd have to be to start out with a Pokédex [invented three years before Generation II and IV]) it's possible Cynthia started out with a forerunner/prototype of the Pokédex, such as the P*DA. But this is only speculation. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:15, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:Prof. Oak created the PokéDex way before Gen I. And you have to be 10 to be a Trainer.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Exactly my point, she started her adventure before D/P/Pt, and the Pokédex was created, let's say a year (not actual time), before Gen I, she'd have to have been 10 to start out on her adventure at this time if she'd had a Pokédex, and she looks older than fourteen. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Of course. But yet this is speculation, I mean she could've started being a trainer late in her life.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::True... [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually in the games Oak says that he created it just a little time ago and many state that Cynthia is quite experienced. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::In fact, when you beats her the first time (in Platinum at least) and Rowan shows up, he states it has been a long time since he has been at the Hall of Fame, and Cynthia comments that if the last time he had been there was when she had become champion, then it was a long time ago. So she must have had her Pokédex for quite some time. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 10:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Here's a tip: why don't we quote everything Cynthia said in DPPt? We do that on Cyrus's page. =] '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 11:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Good plan [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 18:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

== 3 years ==

In Cynthia's trivia section, there is a bullet saying "Although Cynthia mentions she started with a Pokédex, in Generation I (approximately three years before the events of Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum) Professor Oak mentions that it is his newest invention." How do we know that the events of Gold, Silver, and Crystal are happening at the same time as Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum? Jasmine is actually in Sinnoh during generation IV, so how could she be in Sinnoh and in Johto at her gym at the same time? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 19:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:The Red Gyarados happens after you beat Jasmine. It is highly possible that she goes to Sinnoh to recover after her loss; there is nothing to deny this. It could also happen shortly before she is faced by the player of GSC. While the two generations appear to happen within the same time frame, they don't appear to be concurrent. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

==Platinum and Arceus reference==

In Platinum, I specifically remember that if you went and checked the cave painting in the Celestic Ruins again after beating the Elite Four, Cynthia showed up and gave a big lecture on the dragon trio, lake trio, and speculation on Arceus. Somebody should go and check that, and put it in the quotes section. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== The Pokedex trivia ==

Could Cynthia just be a newish trainer? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:As mentioned earlier, Cynthia is said to be quite experienced. Also, both Cynthia and Prof. Rowan both state that it was some time since Rowan had been to the Hall of Fame, which means that Cynthia has been a trainer for quite some time. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 11:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== In two places at once ==

After defeating Cyrus for the last time, she's at the entrance to Turnback Cave and at the League. Did anyone else notice this? --[[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 19:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:Unless you're also in two places at once, you can't verify that claim. She leaves the League a lot earlier in the game; chances are she's doing the same here. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::After accompanying the player to the Distortion World, she stands around outside the cave but isn't there after you complete the E4 challenge. Platinum has actual cases of Gym Leaders being in three places at once (Gym + Cafe + Villa) but this doesn't count. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== First Timers ==

I was looking at the different Champions, and it's occured to me that Cynthia is the only one to be Champion in both the games and the anime. Blue was Champion in Gen. I & their remakes and is Ash's rival in the anime, Lance was Elite Four in Gen. I, but Champion in Gen.II. Steve and Wallace are not the Champions of Hoenn in the anime, and both where Champions in different games.--[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 20:12:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, the anime stated that Wallace is the Champion of the Hoenn League. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Cynthia the only one to remain champion ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that Cynthia is the ''only'' Champion to remain Champion of her League in all games set in that region?
Kanto/Johto Elite Four has had Blue, later replaced by Lance
Hoenn Elite Four has had Steven, later replaced by Wallace
But Sinnoh has only EVER had Cynthia as a Champion.

Though this might change come Black and White and their third version, do you think it's still worth a mention? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Sinjoh Ruins

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{{Infobox location
|image=Shinto Ruins out HGSS.png
|image_size=275
|type=space
|location_name=Sinjoh Ruins
|japanese_name=シントいせき
|translated_name=Shinto Ruins
|map=Johto Sinjoh Ruins map.png
|mapdesc=A snow-covered area of old legends, surrounded by a wall of snow.
|location=North of Johto
|region=Unknown
|generation={{gen|IV}}
}}
The '''Sinjoh Ruins''' (Japanese: '''シントいせき''' ''Shinto Ruins'') are a location in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}. While it is not a part of any known region, it can be visited by way of a mysterious entry point in the [[Ruins of Alph]] created by the {{p|Unown}} and {{p|Arceus}}.

==History==
As revealed by the Sinnoh Champion [[Cynthia]] and a [[Hiker]] in the same cabin, the Sinjoh Ruins are the remains of a temple created hundreds of years ago by two groups of humans: one who had come from [[Sinnoh]], and another who had hailed from [[Johto]], or specifically the Ruins of Alph. Because of this, the ruins contain elements of both the [[Spear Pillar]] and the Ruins of Alph, as a sign of the blending of the two cultures. It is unknown what brought the two clans together to build a temple for Arceus, but this probably has to do with the underlying relationship between Arceus and the Unown.

==Arceus Event==
The only known way to the Sinjoh Ruins is by way bringing an Arceus from a Nintendo event or the Hall of Origin to the Ruins of Alph. If the Arceus is currently the {{player}}'s [[walking Pokémon|partner Pokémon]], the lead archaeologist will come across it and ask the player to enter the ruins to unlock a secret. After some waiting, the screen will turn black and both the player and Arceus will be teleported to the Sinjoh Ruins. In a nearby cabin outside the snowbound ruins, [[Cynthia]] will be found waiting for the player, and will tell them that she feels that something is going to happen at the '''Mystri Stage''' (Japanese: '''みつぶたい''' ''Triad Stage'').

Cynthia will escort the player back into the ruins and show them the stage, which is linked to Arceus's power of creation. The player will get a choice to obtain only one of either {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, or {{p|Giratina}} at [[level]] 1, equipped with their respective orbs. Arceus must be the only Pokémon in the player's party for this to occur, and a [[PC]] is inside the cabin near the ruins for the player to use to deposit all others. Once the player chooses one of three circles, a swarm of Unown will surround Arceus, and a sequence will follow whereby Arceus will create an egg of the desired legendary Pokémon. As the event ends, the player and Arceus will be teleported back to the Ruins of Alph, where the archaeologist will observe that the nature of the Unown and Arceus' connection is yet another unsolved mystery.

Later, after the the player visited the Sinjoh Ruins with an event Arceus, they can take the Arceus from the [[Hall of Origin]] to one of the ruins in the Ruins of Alph and be transported back to the Sinjoh Ruins. In the revisit, Cynthia has returned to Sinnoh, and the player can go to the Mystri Stage to obtain one of the dragons they didn't obtain before.

==Pokémon==
{{catchableheader|space|2}}
{{Catchbar|Special Pokémon|space}}
{{catchentryhs|483|Dialga|yes|yes|Event|1|Only one}}
{{catchentryhs|484|Palkia|yes|yes|Event|1|Only one}}
{{catchentryhs|487O|Giratina|yes|yes|Event|1|Only one}}
{{catchablefooter|space|2}}

==Art==
<gallery perrow="3">
File:Arceus ruins art.png|Arceus in the Sinjoh Ruins
File:Cynthiaarceus.jpg|Cynthia and Arceus in the Sinjoh Ruins
File:Mystri Stage.png|The Mystri Stage in the Sinjoh Ruins
File:Arceus_creating_Dialga.png|Arceus creates Dialga
File:Arceus_creating_Palkia.png|Arceus creates Palkia
File:Arceus_creating_Giratina.png|Arceus creates Giratina
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* The background music in this area is an arrangement of themes used in and on [[Mt. Coronet]], indicating a possible connection.
* The Sinjoh Ruins are outside the range of the map, and therefore technically are not part of the Ruins of Alph, or the regions of Johto and Kanto. It is unknown where exactly they are in relation to Sinnoh and Mt. Coronet; the only hint to their location is the Pokégear's map of Johto pointing north.
* The creation event that takes place here includes real-life pictures in the game. This is the first time this has happened in ''any'' Pokémon canon.
* Choosing the Giratina from the event is the only legitimate way to get a {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Griseous Orb}}, and therefore Giratina in its Origin Forme, in a HeartGold or SoulSilver game because the item cannot be held by a Pokémon being traded.
* For unknown reasons, whenever the Sinjoh Ruins or the Mystri Stage is mentioned in-game, their names are highlighted in red. This is probably just for emphasis, however.
* Like [[Mt. Coronet]], {{m|Fly}} cannot be used to leave the Sinjoh Ruins, though an elderly man with an {{p|Abra}} who is staying in the cabin offers to {{m|teleport}} the player [[New Bark Town|home]].

===Name origin===
* The Japanese name is a portmanteau of ''[[Sinnoh|Shin'ō]]'' and ''[[Johto|Jōto]]'', as it is a place where the architecture and legends of both regions meet. The English name reflects this, though using the beginning of "Johto" rather than the end. The combination of the names of two regions alludes to the [[Tohjo Falls]].
** It may also be a pun on the Japanese native religion of {{wp|Shinto}}, whose creation story is heavily referenced by the [[dragon trio]], {{p|Arceus}}, and [[Spear Pillar]].

==In other languages==
* '''French''': ''Ruines Sinjoh''
* '''Deutsch''': ''Sinjoh-Ruinen''
* '''Spanish''': ''Ruinas de Sinjoh''

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Snowpoint Temple

2010-05-20T06:51:42Z

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{{Infobox location
|image=Snowpoint temple.PNG
|type=snow
|location_name=Snowpoint Temple
|japanese_name=キッサキしんでん
|translated_name=Kissaki Temple
|location=Snowpoint City
|region=Sinnoh
|generation={{Gen|IV}}
}}
'''Snowpoint Temple''' (Japanese: '''キッサキしんでん''' ''Kissaki Temple'') is a location in [[Snowpoint City]]. It is the home of the [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Regigigas}}, which can only be awakened for {{pkmn|battle}} if the {{player}} brings along all three of [[Hoenn]]'s [[legendary golems]]. The player cannot enter the Temple without defeating [[Cynthia]] as well as obtaining the [[National Pokédex]], and even then, Regigigas will not awaken without the Hoenn trio present. The temple is very extensive, and has many puzzles involving sliding on ice.

==Items==
{{itlisth|snow}}
{{itlistbod|Calcium|B1F|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Full Restore|Hidden in second stone from top of ice|Pt}}
{{itlistbod|NeverMeltIce|Requires {{HM|04|Strength}}|DP}}
{{itlistbod|Full Heal|Requires {{HM|04|Strength}}|Pt}}
{{itlistfoot|snow}}

==Pokémon==
{{catchableheader|snow}}
{{catchbar|1F|snow}}
{{catchentry4|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Walking|50-52|35%}}
{{catchentry4|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Walking|47-50|80%}}
{{catchentry4|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Walking|52|10%}}
{{catchentry4|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Walking|50-52|15%}}
{{catchentry4|208|Steelix|yes|yes|no|Walking|52|5%}}
{{catchentry4|215|Sneasel|yes|yes|no|Walking|50-52|35%}}
{{catchentry4|215|Sneasel|no|no|yes|Walking|49|10%}}
{{catchentry4|238|Smoochum|no|no|yes|Walking|47-49|10%}}
{{catchbar|B1F-B3F|snow}}
{{catchentry4|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Walking|52-54|35%}}
{{catchentry4|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Walking|47-50|80%}}
{{catchentry4|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Walking|54|10%}}
{{catchentry4|095|Onix|yes|yes|no|Walking|52-54|5%}}
{{catchentry4|124|Jynx|no|no|yes|Walking|47-50|10%}}
{{catchentry4|208|Steelix|yes|yes|no|Walking|53-54|15%}}
{{catchentry4|215|Sneasel|yes|yes|no|Walking|52-54|35%}}
{{catchentry4|215|Sneasel|no|no|yes|Walking|50|10%}}
{{catchbar|B4F-B5F|snow}}
{{catchentry4|042|Golbat|yes|yes|no|Walking|54-56|35%}}
{{catchentry4|042|Golbat|no|no|yes|Walking|47-50|80%}}
{{catchentry4|075|Graveler|yes|yes|no|Walking|56|10%}}
{{catchentry4|124|Jynx|no|no|yes|Walking|49-51|10%}}
{{catchentry4|208|Steelix|yes|yes|no|Walking|54-56|20%}}
{{catchentry4|215|Sneasel|yes|yes|no|Walking|54-56|35%}}
{{catchentry4|215|Sneasel|no|no|yes|Walking|51|10%}}
{{catchbar|Special Pokémon{{tt|*|Requires Regirock, Regice, and Registeel in the party}}|snow}}
{{catchentry4|486|Regigigas|yes|yes|no|B5F|70|Only One}}
{{catchentry4|486|Regigigas|no|no|yes|B5F|1|Only One}}
{{catchablefooter|snow}}
===Regigigas===
[[Image:Temple Regigigas.png|thumb|right|Regigigas in the Snowpoint Temple]]
===={{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}====
{{Pokémon|gen=4
|ndex=486|game=Diamond
|pokemon=Regigigas
|type1=Normal
|level=70
|ability=Slow Start
|move1=Confuse Ray|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Status
|move2=Stomp|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Superpower|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Zen Headbutt|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Physical
}}

===={{v2|Platinum}}====
{{Pokémon|gen=4
|ndex=486|game=Platinum
|pokemon=Regigigas
|type1=Normal
|level=1
|ability=Slow Start
|move1=Dizzy Punch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Knock Off|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Foresight|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Confuse Ray|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Status
}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Snowpoint temple anime.png|thumb|250px|In the anime]]
The Snowpoint Temple briefly appeared in ''[[DP128|A Pyramiding Rage!]]''. Unlike the games, [[Maria]] is the Temple Guardian.

In ''[[DP129|Pillars of Friendship]]'', the {{p|Regigigas}} residing in it went on rampage after [[J]] destroyed the three pillars which protected it. However, it was calmed down by the end of the episode. {{FB|Pyramid King|Brandon}} later released his {{DL|Brandon's Regis|Regirock}}, {{DL|Brandon's Regis|Registeel}} and {{DL|Brandon's Regis|Regice}} to undertake the position of Regigigas's guardians.

==Trivia==
* In Platinum, when confronting Regigigas it is level 1. This makes Platinum the first game where level 1 Pokémon can be caught in the wild, and Regigigas the first legendary Pokémon to be at level 1 in the wild without the use of a [[Gameshark|cheating]] [[Action Replay|device]].
* In both encounters with Regigigas, Confuse Ray is the only move that is not replaced in its moveset.
* Steelix can be encountered here, even though it requires an Onix holding a Metal Coat to be traded in order to evolve.

==In other languages==
* '''Italian:''' ''Tempio Nevepoli''
* '''Spanish:''' ''Templo Puntaneva''
* '''German:''' ''Blizzach-Tempel''
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{{Legendarylocations}}
{{Sinnoh}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}
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[[Category:Diamond and Pearl locations]]
[[Category:Platinum locations]]
[[Category:Buildings]]

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[[ja:キッサキしんでん]]
[[pt:Snowpoint Temple]]

Talk:Oshawott (Pokémon)

2010-05-18T03:45:07Z

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==File not showing up==

The artwork won't show up. The same thing happens with the Grass type starter's artwork. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It has not been uploaded yet. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 23:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry I just realized that after posting. Are you gonna put the ? image for the menu sprites like you did Zorua and Zoroark? Just wondering. It would look neater. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

==500==
It should be stated in the trivia section that Mijumaru is the 500th pokemon {{unsigned|DSDark}}
:No. At the moment we don't know that for sure, and once we do it'll be in the infobox at the start of the article, so there'll be no need. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::...yes we do? Water starter is always seventh from the last of the last generation. It's like saying we don't know that you'll be able to buy Poké Balls. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Have something like "Mijumaru marks a milestone in that it is the 500th Pokémon in the National Pokédex." [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Mijumaru is the first Water-type starter based on a mammal. The others were reptiles, with the exception of Piplup, a bird. --[[User:MegaTroopX|MegaTroopX]]
:Mudkip wasn't a reptile though, it's amphibian-like as it was based on mudskippers or axolotl. But I guess that doesn't matter... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 03:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, mudskippers are fish. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, my bad, but they're still amphibian. Point is, Mudkip is not reptilian. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==
Where does the name come from? [[User:Eddie Blake|Eddie Blake]] 15:11PM, 13 May 2010

Mijuku means immature, and maru means round, or ball. {{unsigned|Don't Hug Lucario!}}

Should someone add that, or are we waiting? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:If I may add, the 'maru' in its name could be a reference to its round head. However I think I recall that 'maru' can also mean boy, which could be a reference that most starters have a higher chance of being male, but that meaning is probably less likely. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::"丸" (まる, ''maru'') means "circle". The other two B&W starters have speculations such as this already added into the name origin section on their pages... someone should add this one in. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 23:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC) Oh, and 未熟 (みじゅく, ''mijuku'') does indeed mean immature. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 00:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Name origin currently lists 'mizu'. Can an admin add the extra about 'mijuku' please? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Height and Weight ==

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.5m (1.6ft)
Wight: 5.9kg (13Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Here's the sprite of Mijumaru that I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Why did it get deleted? [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 09:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:That version was deleted because it was a duplicate. The version on the article isn't showing up coz of sync issues :( —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

==Uhm...==
[[File:Spr_3r_000.png|thumb]]
Since when does Mijumaru evolve into Missingno? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 20:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's a placeholder. We don't know what it evolves into yet, but we know it evolves... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 20:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Tenquestionmarks-Pokédex.png|thumb|right|200px|]]
::Would it be better to use the question mark sprite from the Pokédex? Not this whole image of course, but I couldn't find the clean sprite by itself. Using Missingno. does seem a bit odd; makes it look like Bulbapedia has gone glitchy! [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 09:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree with Taromon. Lets use oour question mark for unknown, rather than Missingno.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Couldn't we just link them as [[image:501.png]] and [[image:502.png]]? It's done for Mijumaru iself. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 10:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Oshawott (Pokémon)

2010-05-18T03:44:30Z

Bttsstewart: /* 500 */

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

==File not showing up==

The artwork won't show up. The same thing happens with the Grass type starter's artwork. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It has not been uploaded yet. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 23:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry I just realized that after posting. Are you gonna put the ? image for the menu sprites like you did Zorua and Zoroark? Just wondering. It would look neater. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

==500==
It should be stated in the trivia section that Mijumaru is the 500th pokemon {{unsigned|DSDark}}
:No. At the moment we don't know that for sure, and once we do it'll be in the infobox at the start of the article, so there'll be no need. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::...yes we do? Water starter is always seventh from the last of the last generation. It's like saying we don't know that you'll be able to buy Poké Balls. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Have something like "Mijumaru marks a milestone in that it is the 500th Pokémon in the National Pokédex."

== Trivia ==

Mijumaru is the first Water-type starter based on a mammal. The others were reptiles, with the exception of Piplup, a bird. --[[User:MegaTroopX|MegaTroopX]]
:Mudkip wasn't a reptile though, it's amphibian-like as it was based on mudskippers or axolotl. But I guess that doesn't matter... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 03:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, mudskippers are fish. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, my bad, but they're still amphibian. Point is, Mudkip is not reptilian. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==
Where does the name come from? [[User:Eddie Blake|Eddie Blake]] 15:11PM, 13 May 2010

Mijuku means immature, and maru means round, or ball. {{unsigned|Don't Hug Lucario!}}

Should someone add that, or are we waiting? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:If I may add, the 'maru' in its name could be a reference to its round head. However I think I recall that 'maru' can also mean boy, which could be a reference that most starters have a higher chance of being male, but that meaning is probably less likely. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::"丸" (まる, ''maru'') means "circle". The other two B&W starters have speculations such as this already added into the name origin section on their pages... someone should add this one in. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 23:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC) Oh, and 未熟 (みじゅく, ''mijuku'') does indeed mean immature. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 00:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Name origin currently lists 'mizu'. Can an admin add the extra about 'mijuku' please? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Height and Weight ==

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.5m (1.6ft)
Wight: 5.9kg (13Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Here's the sprite of Mijumaru that I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Why did it get deleted? [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 09:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:That version was deleted because it was a duplicate. The version on the article isn't showing up coz of sync issues :( —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

==Uhm...==
[[File:Spr_3r_000.png|thumb]]
Since when does Mijumaru evolve into Missingno? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 20:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's a placeholder. We don't know what it evolves into yet, but we know it evolves... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 20:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Tenquestionmarks-Pokédex.png|thumb|right|200px|]]
::Would it be better to use the question mark sprite from the Pokédex? Not this whole image of course, but I couldn't find the clean sprite by itself. Using Missingno. does seem a bit odd; makes it look like Bulbapedia has gone glitchy! [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 09:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree with Taromon. Lets use oour question mark for unknown, rather than Missingno.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Couldn't we just link them as [[image:501.png]] and [[image:502.png]]? It's done for Mijumaru iself. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 10:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Judgment (move)

2010-04-19T10:32:40Z

Bttsstewart: /* Trivia */

{{MoveInfobox|
n=449 |
name=Judgment |
jname=さばきのつぶて |
jtrans=Judgment Strike| 
desc=The user releases countless shots of light. Its type varies with the kind of Plate the user is holding. |
gameimage=DPJudgment.PNG |
type={{arceustype}} |
damagecategory=Special |
basepp=10 |
maxpp=16 |
power=100 |
accuracy=100 |
gen=IV |
bdesc= |
target=any|
category=Smart |
appeal=2 |
jam= 0|
cdesc=Order of appealing is random in the next turn |
appealsc=2 |
scdesc=Makes the order of contestants random in the next turn. |
touches=no |
protect=yes |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=yes |
flag7=no |
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}}
'''Judgment''' (Japanese: '''さばきのつぶて''' ''Judgment Strike'') or '''Judgement''' is a damage-dealing {{type2|{{arceustype}}}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation IV]]. It is the [[signature move]] of {{p|Arceus}}, and like Arceus, varies in type depending on the plate held by the user.

==Effect==
Judgment inflicts damage and has no secondary effect. The [[Elemental types|type]] of Judgment depends on the type of [[plate]] held by the user, being Normal-type if there is no held plate.

==Learnset==
===[[Generation IV]]===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Learnlist|arceus}}
{{Moveentry|493|Arceus||{{arceustype}}||100}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}
{{-}}

==In the anime==
{{moveanime|type=arceus|exp=yes|gen=The user shoots a shower of glowing beams.|image1=Arceus Judgement Beams.png|image1p=Arceus shoots beams off into the sky|image2=Arceus Judgement explosion.png|image2p=Explosion that forms and scatters meteors|image3=Arceus Judgement ball.png|image3p=Arceus forms a ball|image4=Arceus Judgement meteor shower.png|image4p=Meteor shower}}
{{movep|type=arceus|ms=493|pkmn=Arceus|method=The wheel on Arceus's body glows brightly, and an orange orb appears on top of Arceus's forehead. It then launches the orb into the sky, which leaves behind orange streaks as it fires. The orb then explodes in the air, releasing multiple pink meteors to come crashing down on the opponent.}}
{{movebtm|type=arceus|user=Arceus (anime)|startcode=M12|startname=Arceus and the Jewel of Life|notes=Debut}}

==Trivia==
* Its name is derived from {{wp|Divine judgment|judgment}}, a concept within the {{wp|Christian belief}} that says that Yahweh casts judgment upon wicked people on earth.
* Provided Arceus is wearing the Dread Plate, Judgment is the highest powered {{t|Dark}}-type move in the game, as otherwise no damage-dealing Dark-type move has a power greater than 80. In addition, when equipped with the Dread Plate, it is one of only two Special damage-dealing Dark-type moves, the other being {{m|Dark Pulse}}.

==In other languages==
* French: '''Jugement'''
* Dutch: '''Vonnis'''
* Italian: '''Giudizio'''
* Spanish: '''Sentencia'''
* Portuguese: '''Julgamento'''
* German: '''Urteilskraft'''

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Celebi (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNext | type=psychic | type2=grass | prevnum=250 | nextnum=252 | prev=Ho-Oh | next=Treecko }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Celebi |
jname=セレビィ |
tmname=Celebi |
image=251Celebi.png |
size=170px |
caption=Artwork from HGSS |
pron=<sc>seh-leh-bee</sc>|
ndex=251 |
jdex=256 |
oldjdex=251|
hdex=386 |
fdex=212 |
adex=263 |
odex=057 |
typen=2 |
type1=Psychic |
type2=Grass |
species=Time Travel |
height-ftin=2'00" |
height-m=0.6 |
weight-lbs=11.0 |
weight-kg=5.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Natural Cure |
ability2= |
egggroupn=0 |
egggroup1=No eggs |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=120 |
evhp=3 |
expyield=64 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=255 |
color=Green |
catchrate=45 |
body=12 |
pokefordex=celebi |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}

'''Celebi''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''セレビィ''' ''Celebi'') is a dual-type {{2t|Psychic|Grass}} [[legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon.

Celebi is the last Pokémon in the [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokédex]] and [[List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number|Hoenn Pokédex]], although in the latter, Celebi is not shown.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Celebi is a green fairy-like creature. Celebi has round toe-less feet, three-fingered hands, and clear wings on its back. Celebi has a round head that comes to a point and sticks upward in the back, large baby-blue eyes, similar to that of {{p|Mew}}, with deep black rings around them, and a pair of green antennae that are tipped blue.

====Gender differences====
Celebi is genderless, but a [[Shiny Pokémon|shiny]] one is referred to as female in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]].

====Special abilities====
Celebi's main ability is the power to travel through time. Celebi also can restore plants to perfect health (an ability that is also accredited to {{p|Meganium}}). Celebi mainly attacks with surprisingly powerful {{t|Grass}} and {{t|Psychic}} attacks.

===Behavior===
Celebi, like {{p|Mew}}, is a very playful species in general. Celebi are extremely powerful despite their small size, another trait they have in common with Mew. Celebi also can be very timid, not wanting to show themselves despite their power. Although multiple Celebi have been seen at one time, it is unknown if they are different individuals or the same Celebi from different time periods. Therefore, it is virtually impossible to determine exactly how many Celebi exist. Celebi also is very protective of itself, others and its home. For this reason, it has been referred to by some as a guardian of the forest.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Forest.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Forest Pokémon}}]]
Because Celebi travels through time, it may inhabit many places. However, Celebi is generally associated with forests. Because of this, it is known as the spirit and voice of the forest.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
Celebi feed on berries.

==In the anime==
[[File:Celebi anime.png|right|thumb|250px|Celebi in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Celebi (movie 4)]]====
Celebi first appeared in ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]''. A Pokémon hunter was after it and Celebi traveled 40 years into future to escape from him, taking young [[Sam]] along with it accidentally. The [[Iron-Masked Marauder]] eventually captured the time traveling Pokémon in a [[Dark Ball]] and used it to destroy the forest. {{Ash}} and Sammy managed to snap Celebi out of the Iron Masked Marauder's control.

====Other====
Celebi also made an appearance in [[Pokémon Chronicles]]. In ''[[SS013|Celebi and Joy]]'', Celebi took [[Ritchie]] back in time to help stop the destruction of a [[Pokémon Center]].

In ''[[AG155|The Green Guardian]]'', the Pokémon Ranger [[Solana]] accompanied {{Ash}} and {{ashfr|friends}} in helping the Pokémon.

A Celebi will appear in the thirteenth Pokémon movie, ''[[M13|Ruler of Illusions: Zoroark]]''. Due to it appearing on the promotional poster, it is likely that it will have a central role, and will be appearing alongside {{p|Entei}}, {{p|Raikou}}, and {{p|Suicune}}.

===Minor appearances===
A Celebi appeared in the [[boss fantasy]] of ''[[DP092|A Lean Mean Team Rocket Machine]]''.

Celebi makes a cameo appearance in the beginning of ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]''.

A Celebi appeared in another fantasy in ''[[DP143|An Egg Scramble!]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Emerald}}
{{Animedexbody|AG155|Celebi|May's Pokédex|Celebi, the Time Travel Pokémon. Celebi wanders across time as guardian of the forest. Where ever it appears, trees and grass flourish.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Advanced Generation''|Emerald}}

==In the manga==
In [[Pokémon Adventures]], [[Pryce]] aimed to capture Celebi and use its time-traveling powers to save his two {{p|Lapras}}, which he had lost years ago prior to the start of the GSC saga. He failed numerous times throughout his reign (lacking a [[GS Ball]] that would allow him to properly capture it), and would injure himself on each day of the month in which Celebi would show itself in the Ilex shrine, so {{adv|Green}} and {{adv|Silver}} took this opportunity to steal his [[Rainbow Wing]] and [[Silver Wing]] items and escape.

Near the end of the RS Saga, {{adv|Ruby}} is revealed to have a Celebi. He explains that due to the lack of information he had on it, he rarely uses Celebi at all. Celebi was used to retrieve the Red and Blue Orbs from [[Maxie]] and [[Archie]], to prevent them from ever controlling {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} again. Then, it revived [[Norman]], [[Steven Stone|Steven]], and [[Magma Admin Courtney|Courtney]] by sending them through an altered future. It left Ruby's side right afterwards, and upon waking up two days later and glancing into the now-empty Pokéball that once contained the time-traveling Pokémon, Ruby realizes that this was the reason Celebi was with him the whole time.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Celebi (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
[[Image:Celebi Brawl.jpg|right|thumb|Celebi in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]]]
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]/[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]===
When a [[Poké Ball]] is thrown, there is a 1 in 251 chance of Celebi appearing after all these requirements have been fulfilled:
*Unlock all 25 characters
*Unlock all 29 stages
*Beat all 51 events
*Unlock the score display (by reaching 5000 KOs.)
It does not affect the battle but the thrower of the [[Poké Ball]] will earn a bonus and trophy of Celebi.

Celebi returns as a rare Pokémon in Brawl as well; the chance of it appearing is decreased to 1 in 493. Like the other "secret" Pokémon, it drops rare items instead of just {{m|Fly|flying}} away. In Celebi's case, the items are Trophies.

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
{{spoilers}}
*[[Pokémon Ranger (game)|Pokémon Ranger]]: Celebi is in a [[Ranger Net]] mission. In the mission, the player must capture the celebi to save it from the [[Go-Rock Squad]]. It is found wandering in [[Lyra Forest]].
*[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]]: [[Celebi (Explorers of Time, Darkness, and Sky)|A shiny Celebi]] is a supporting protagonist in the main storyline. When the player and partner are sent to the future by {{mdc|Dusknoir|2}}, the player, partner, and {{mdc|Grovyle|2}} work together to get back to the past. Celebi was the Pokémon who sent Grovyle to the past before, and the trio receive her help to go back again.
*[[Pokémon Ranger: Locus of Light]]: Celebi is the first boss of the game and a main Pokémon in the storyline. It has the power to time travel and can send the player (without their Ukulele {{p|Pichu}}) into the past. It can also send specific Pokémon to the present if the player uses the correct [[Ranger Signs]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|type2=grass
|gen=2
|golddex=This Pokémon wanders across time. Grass and trees flourish in the forests in which it has appeared.
|silverdex=When Celebi disappears deep in the forest, it is said to leave behind an egg it brought from the future.
|crystaldex=Revered as the guardian of the forest, Celebi appears wherever beautiful forests exist.
|rubydex=This Pokémon came from the future by crossing over time. It is thought that so long as Celebi appears, a bright and shining future awaits us.
|sapphiredex=This Pokémon came from the future by crossing over time. It is thought that so long as Celebi appears, a bright and shining future awaits us.
|emeralddex=This Pokémon came from the future by crossing over time. It is thought that so long as Celebi appears, a bright and shining future awaits us.
|firereddex=When Celebi disappears deep in the forest, it is said to leave behind an egg it brought from the future.
|leafgreendex=This Pokémon wanders across time. Grass and trees flourish in the forests in which it has appeared.
|stadium2dex=This Pokémon wanders across time. Grass and trees flourish in the forests in which it has appeared.
|diamonddex=It has the power to travel across time, but it is said to appear only in peaceful times.
|pearldex=It has the power to travel across time, but it is said to appear only in peaceful times.
|platinumdex=It has the power to travel across time, but it is said to appear only in peaceful times.
|heartgolddex=This Pokémon wanders across time. Grass and trees flourish in the forests in which it has appeared.
|soulsilverdex=When Celebi disappears deep in the forest, it is said to leave behind an egg it brought from the future.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
type2=grass |
gen=2 |
gen2ex=rby|
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgex=rse|
gen4ex=pal|
hgssex=pal|
dparea=[[Pal Park]] |
ptarea=[[Pal Park]] |
hgssarea=[[Pal Park]] |
crarity=One |
carea=[[Ilex Forest]] (requires [[GS Ball]]) |
rsrarity=None |
rsarea=[[Trade]] |
colorarity=One |
coloarea=Purify all [[Shadow Pokémon]]{{tt|*|Requires Japanese bonus disk}} |
palarea=Forest |
}}

Much like what was the case in the [[Generation I]] games with {{p|Mew}} and [[Mew glitch|a glitch]], Celebi can be obtained in the Pokémon [[Generation II]] games by using the [[Celebi egg trick]].

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=psychic
|type2=grass
|channel=[[Springleaf Field]]
|trozei=Random Agent Cards [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Purity Forest]] (99F)
|ranger=[[Lyra Forest]] (Event mission 2)
|md2=[[Mystifying Forest]] (10F){{tt|*|with Mystery Part or Secret Slab in the bag}} (Time)
|ranger2=[[Vien Forest]] (After Completing all 59 side quests)
}}

Celebi is only obtainable in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Explorers of Darkness)]] after downloading a [[Wonder Mail]] from the Nintendo WFC.

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=psychic|type2=grass}}
{{eventAvail|Ageto Celebi|Ageto Celebi|Japan|2003|10}}
{{eventAvail|PokéPark Celebi|PokéPark Celebi|Taiwan|2006|30}}
{{eventAvail|Mitsurin Celebi|Mitsurin Celebi|Japan|2006|10}}
{{eventAvail|List of 10th Anniversary event Pokémon#Celebi and Charizard|10th Anniversary|United States|2006|70}}
|}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=psychic|
type2=grass|
HP= 100 |
Attack= 100 |
Defense=100 |
SpAtk= 100 |
SpDef= 100 |
Speed= 100 }}

====Pokéthlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Psychic
|type2=Grass
|Speed=5
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=1
|PowerMax=3
|Technique=5
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=psychic|
type2=grass|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 200 |
Poison= 200 |
Ground= 50 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 400 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 200 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|psychic|grass|4|2|Celebi}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leech Seed|Grass|Status|—|90|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25|Smart|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Heal Bell|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Recover|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|10|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|100|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|19|Magical Leaf|Grass|Special|60|—|20|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|28|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|37|Baton Pass|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|46|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|55|Heal Block|Psychic|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|64|Future Sight|Psychic|Special|80|90|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|73|Healing Wish|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|82|Leaf Storm|Grass|Special|140|90|5|Cute|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|91|Perish Song|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|psychic|grass}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|Psychic|Grass|4|2|Celebi}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM04]]|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM16]]|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM19]]|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|60|100|10|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM22]]|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10|Cool|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM33]]|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM40]]|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM48]]|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM53]]|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|Tough|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM57]]|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM62]]|Silver Wind|Bug|Special|60|100|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM70]]|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM75]]|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM76]]|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM85]]|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM86]]|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM89]]|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM92]]|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|Cool|3}}
{{movelist/note|4|psychic|grass}}

====By breeding====
None.

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|psychic|grass|4|2|Celebi}}
{{mtentry4|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Heal Bell|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|0|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Smart|1|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Last Resort|Normal|Physical|130|100|5|Cute|0|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Role Play|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|1|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Seed Bomb|Grass|Physical|80|100|15|Smart|3||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|0|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Synthesis|Grass|Status|—|—|5|Smart|0|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|Smart|0|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Uproar|Normal|Special|50|100|10|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Worry Seed|Grass|Status|—|100|10|Beauty|2|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15|Beauty|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|psychic|grass}}

====Special moves====

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=Psychic |
ndex=251 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=99.9% |
area=Healing Forest |
P1=I traveled through time to be with you! |
P2=Oh? My health is halfway down. I'd better be careful. |
P3=Oh, no... The power of time has run out... |
PL=Yes! I gained a level! The power from the future is gaining intensity! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG=Grass |
typeA=Grass |
fieldpower=0 |
field=None |
loop=3 |
MinEXP=200 |
MaxEXP=270 |
browser=Celebi is a mirage Pokémon that summons thorny vines and flits around them. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=20% |
iq=B |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2=Grass |
typeA2=Grass |
field2=None |
field2power=- |
browser2=It protects itself with a psychic barrier. It attacks by shooting high-speed leaves. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|sprite1=251
|name1=Celebi
|type1-1=Psychic
|type2-1=Grass}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
type2=grass|
gen=2|
gender=none|
ndex=251|
name=Celebi|
}}

==Trivia==
* Celebi was the only Pokémon of the 100 [[Generation II]] Pokémon that wasn't used in the [[Johto]] [[Pokérap GS|Pokérap]].
* In a deleted scene of the movie ''{{wp|Austin Powers in Goldmember}},'' a person in a Celebi suit can be seen dancing.
* Celebi is notably the hardest Pokémon to obtain, as there are very few ways to legitimately obtain one outside of Japan.
* Celebi has the most weaknesses of all Pokémon, with seven. It shares this with {{p|Exeggcute}}, {{p|Exeggutor}}, {{p|Snover}}, and {{p|Abomasnow}}, all of which are part {{type2|Grass}}.
* Unlike most [[Legendary Pokémon|legendaries]], Celebi needs only 1,059,860 Exp. to get to level 100, whereas others need 1,250,000. It shares this trait with {{p|Mew}} and {{p|Shaymin}}.
* During the main story of [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]], {{mdc|Celebi|2}} is referred to as a female, while it is genderless in the main series.
* A 2008 [http://www.pokebeach.com/news/0708/second-pokemon-interview-with-masamitsu-hidaka-many-interesting-points interview] done with [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] by the webmaster of [[PokéBeach]] revealed that the [[GS Ball]] was initially meant to contain a Celebi that would be used in a story arc throughout the Johto series. This idea, however, was shelved, and {{OBP|Celebi|movie 4}} became a co-star of ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]'' with {{p|Suicune}}.
* Celebi's number in the [[National Pokédex]] and the [[List of Pokémon by New Pokédex number|New Pokédex]] are the same: 251. This makes it one of fifteen Pokémon to have the same numbers in more than one [[Pokédex]]-like listing. The other fourteen are all members of the {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Ralts}}, {{p|Goldeen}}, and {{p|Beldum}} evolutionary families and the [[legendary beasts]].
* Celebi is the mascot of [[Serebii.net]].

===Origin===
It may be based on a {{wp|fairy}} or {{wp|dryad}}.
====Name origin====
There are many theories as to the origin of Celebi's name. It may be a combination of ''{{wp|celestial}}'' and ''being'', or it may be a combination of the English ''serenity'' and the Japanese ''bii'', which translates to ''beautiful''.

There is also the possibility its name originates from "cerebral", referring to its psychic powers.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Celebi
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Celebi
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 세레비 ''Celebi''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]]: 雪拉比

==Related articles==
* [[Celebi (movie 4)]]
* [[Celebi (Explorers of Time, Darkness, and Sky)]]

==External links==
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDucTrf7ids&fmt=18 Celebi Unedited], a video on catching Celebi in Pokémon Crystal English with GS Ball

==Notes==
{{event Pokémon}}
{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{Smash Bros.}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | type=psychic | type2=grass | prevnum=250 | nextnum=252 | prev=Ho-Oh | next=Treecko }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Johto Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Orre Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Promotion-only Pokémon]]

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[[fr:Celebi]]
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[[File:HGSS Route 1.png|thumb|160px|A localized map of [[Route 1]], the first and most well known route in the Pokémon world]]
A '''route''', in terms of the [[Pokémon world]], is a passage permitting Trainers to travel from one location to the next with relative ease. Usually what defines a route is a location between two or more cities, however many passageways between cities are too long, thus, this passageway can be broken down into several routes, each joining onto another route at its termini. Routes are depicted as a long, narrow, and sometimes winding roads, riddled with obstacles such as rocks, trees and even [[ledge]]s blocking the pathway. Although routes are a barricaded area, they are difficult to maneuver around and are a maze of winding paths that Trainers strive to explore. Route in the [[Pokémon games]], unlike the [[Pokémon anime]] are formed as a straight path with two or more termini and therefore depicted as a bordered off, barricaded area. To make this so, there are trees that are so thick that even Trainers cannot penetrate its barrier-like form, surrounding routes acting as barriers to stop players from venturing further, rocks acts as the barriers on water routes. The barriers are there to make it seem as there is only one possible path instead of a wide field going nowhere.

Most routes are associated with [[tall grass]] in which [[wild Pokémon]] can be found. If the player enters a patch of tall grass, they may randomly enter a wild Pokémon battle. Tall grass is found on most routes of the Pokémon world, with some routes containing more tall grass patches than others. People are generally warned to stay out of tall grass if they don't have a Pokémon due to the possibility of being attacked by wild Pokémon. Some areas in the [[Pokémon world]] have larger patches of grass than usual. These patches of grass have grown longer and more widespread than the usual grass patches, hiding many different species of Pokémon. Because of the length and thickness of the grass, it is impossible to ride a [[bicycle]] or [[Running Shoes|run]] through the patches in [[Generation III]].

Pokémon Trainers localize themselves in routes to train their Pokémon. They do this normal by battling the wild Pokémon that live in the tall grass, however, many Trainer wish to gain experience further by challenging other Trainers to a battle, and no matter what their specialties or aims, there is one code that they all follow - when two Trainers make eye contact, they must have a battle. However, not all people traveling through a route wish to have a battle, many just want to get to another town or city easily, and therefore will sometimes help other Trainers with friendly advice. Trainers also carelessly drop items on the ground while passing by a route, and so another Trainer is able to come by and take it. Although, these ground items can be obtained through natural means, items are very often found by Trainers throughout every route. These ground items are called 'Item Balls' because they are spherical containers resembling a small [[Poké Ball]]. However, finding items on the ground is not always as easy as seeing it and picking it up. Many items are hidden from view, and can only be obtained by a very lucky chance or, more commonly, through the use of an [[Itemfinder|item finding tool]].

Although each region has its own set of numbered routes, there are numerous other passages throughout the Pokémon world, all of which are named, that can be considered routes as well.

==Systematize of routes==
===Numbered route===
{{main|List of routes in the Pokémon world}}
Up to [[Generation IV]], there are 112 numbered routes in the Pokémon world, all identified simply as ''Route'' followed by their number. Routes numbered {{rtn|1}} through {{rtn|25}} (and {{rtn|26}} through {{rtn|28}} as well in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]]) are in [[Kanto]], routes numbered {{rtn|29}} through {{rtn|46}} (and {{rtn|47}} through {{rtn|48}} as well in [[Generation IV]]) are in [[Johto]], routes numbered {{rtn|101}} through {{rtn|134}} are in [[Hoenn]] and routes numbered {{rtn|201}} through {{rtn|230}} are in [[Sinnoh]].

Hoenn and Sinnoh's routes do not follow sequentially from the previous generation's focused-on region, likely due to the fact that the regions introduced in previous generations are not able to be visited in games focusing on Hoenn and Sinnoh. This is unlike what was the case with the games of [[Generation II]], where Johto's routes picked up where Kanto's left off, and Kanto was able to be visited. As of yet there are no regions with routes numbered to fill in between Johto's and Hoenn's (which would number 49 to 100) or from Hoenn's to Sinnoh's (which would number 135 to 200).

The numbering of the routes in the Pokémon world may also be a reference to Japan's own national route system, which goes from {{wp|Japan National Route 1|1}} to {{wp|Japan National Route 58|58}}, then skips directly to {{wp|Japan National Route 101|101}}, and afterwards skips several numbers. Despite this, the routes do not run concurrent with their Pokémon counterparts, and indeed in Japan there exists a {{wp|Japan National Route 135|Route 135}}, a {{wp|Japan National Route 231|Route 231}}, and so on, up to {{wp|Japan National Route 507|Route 507}}. Strangely, the only numbers skipped are routes whose numbers are used in [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]].

===Named route===
Not every route is known by a number. Some routes have a unique, descriptive name. A named route can be described as a tunnel, a path, a simple cave (where simple implies that the main path of the cave is on a single floor) or a forest that links two different locations. Under this definition, named roads such as [[Diglett's Cave]], [[Ilex Forest]], and [[Union Cave]] classify as a route. Locations such as the [[Rock Tunnel]], [[Viridian Forest]], and [[Mt. Moon]] do not. Of course, the seventeen named paths and one small cave between the main cities and major landmarks of the [[Sevii Islands]] count as routes under this as well.

==Types of routes==
===Terrain routes===
[[image:Gold explores Route 29.png|thumb|200px|Gold exploring [[Route 29]]]]
Although not official named "Terrain routes" but considered rather "normal" routes, these routes are located on land and are the first most Trainers come across. These routes can come in the form of forests, deserts, plains, mountainous, swamps, beaches or just grassland. As accordance to these routes comes certain [[weather conditions]], which are features implemented onto each route. Most of the time, the route remains a sunny, normal climate, however, sometimes the route can suffer from weather conditions like heavy rain, sandstorm, fog and even snow. These conditions can create an extra effect, not only in battle, but out on the field, for example, heavy fog covers the route in a thick blanket of fog so obstacles and Trainers are difficult to see and can be cleared with {{m|Defog}}. Sometimes clouds gather over [[Route 213]], and the whole area gets darker than usual, while a thunderstorm can be heard on [[Route 120]] thus lightning will strike, thunder will rumble, and a heavy rain will pour down, however, halfway through the route, the thunderstorm will clear and reveal a sunny day.

Most routes are associated with [[tall grass]] in which [[wild Pokémon]] can be found. If the player enters a patch of tall grass, they may randomly enter a wild Pokémon battle. Tall grass is found on most routes of the Pokémon world, with some routes containing more tall grass patches than others. People are generally warned to stay out of tall grass if they don't have a Pokémon due to the possibility of being attacked by wild Pokémon. Some areas in the [[Pokémon world]] have larger patches of grass than usual. These patches of grass have grown longer and more widespread than the usual grass patches, hiding many different species of Pokémon. Because of the length and thickness of the grass, it is impossible to ride a [[bicycle]] or [[Running Shoes|run]] through the patches in [[Generation III]].

Pokémon Trainers localize themselves in routes to train their Pokémon. Pokémon Trainers come in all sorts of [[Trainer class|classes]]: [[Youngster]]s tend to stay close to home, and [[Bug Catcher]]s swarm about the {{t|Bug}}-filled forests; [[Hiker]]s traverse mountains and [[caves]], and [[Cool Trainer]]s aspire to compete in the [[Pokémon League]]. A Trainer's class may reflect their Pokémon of choice, the areas they prefer, their technique, and their level of skill; however, even among their classes, Trainers may vary greatly.

===Water routes===
[[File:Surf Generation IV.png|left|thumb|200px|Gold exploring by {{m|surf}}ing on a water route]]
{{main|Water routes}}
A '''water route''' or '''sea route''' is a term used to describe a route in the Pokémon world that is almost completely made up of water and can be traversed only by {{m|Surf}}ing or by using a marine vehicle such as a boat. Across the four generations of Pokémon video games, the style of water routes has changed very little. Water routes are typically long in length and are located in the ocean. They are also densely populated with trainers, particularly [[Swimmer]]s with Water-type Pokémon. Depending on the route, there may be islands that allow trainers to rest or obtain items. One trait that is common to every water route is that [[wild Pokémon]] can attack at any time, so trainers are required to be alert at all times. Typically, {{p|Tentacool}} and its evolution {{p|Tentacruel}} will be very common.

Because water routes' pathways are only across water and ocean, {{m|Surf}} is required to travel over the bodies of water. When doing so, [[wild Pokémon]] may be encountered. Water routes are a very important mechanic of the games and must be used to complete the game, as all main series games to date have required Surf in order to reach [[Pokémon League]] where the [[Elite Four]] reside. In [[Generation I]], water routes are known as "sea routes". Some water routes in the [[Johto]] region have {{m|Whirlpool}}s blocking a path; likewise, some in [[Hoenn]] have deep spots where trainers can {{m|Dive}} to the ocean floor. Some other water routes contain vast waterfalls which can be traversed with the aid of a Pokémon.

==See also==
*[[List of routes in the Pokémon world]] for a list of all numbered and named routes
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{{Project Routes}}

[[Category:Routes]]

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Talk:Smeargle (Pokémon)

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Question: What moves can Sketch not copy? Asking because it says almost any move. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:19, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:I don't believe Sketch can copy Selfdestruct or Explosion since a Pokémon using one of those moves would faint afterwards, either ending the battle or bringing in another opponent. Plus, Smeargle would likely need to be at a MUCH higher level in order of survive such an attack.
*Sketch can copy any move, as it works on moves disabled by things such as paralysis or sleep. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But does it copy Struggle, Metronome, etc? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 03:48, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Everything but Struggle. --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 03:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
*Say you in a Double Battle. Your Pokemon are a Smeargle that wants to Sketch move X, and Pokemon Y that knows move X. Pokemon Y is faster than Smeargle. Pokemon Y is asleep. For Pokemon Y, you select move X. For Smeargle, you select Sketch and target Pokemon Y. Pokemon Y's turn executes: nothing happens, as it is asleep. Smeargle's turn executes: Smeargle Sketches move X as if Pokemon Y had used it. End of battle, Smeargle now knows move X. So basically, for Sketch to work, the target need only have *selected* the move-to-be-sketched, not necessarily have used it. This method works for every move except Struggle, which of course cannot be selected. This only works in Gen3, not in Gen2. --[[User:MasamuneXGP|MasamuneXGP]] 04:02, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
**Then what about Shadow Rush? [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

**Yeah can the Shadow Attacks be Sketched?-Pokencyclopedia

**The shadow moves CANNOT be sketched. [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 00:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is Smeargle in Breeding for the list of every move page I have checked? Is there a particular reason Sketch counts as breeding?
*Probably because a Sketched move can be breeded onto a baby Smeargle. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 04:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It's not any more, probably because some moron took it out, regardless of the fact that Smeargle is pretty much all you need as a father for any Pokémon in the ground egg group. There's a lot of shitheads on this website who are hellbent on removing perfectly good uploads and information. Either they're just ass-burgers (most likely scenario) or they're under the thumb of the whoever pays the loot for all the advertising they show on this page (possible, but, why?) - the advertising industry pretty much corrupts any media it's dirty money comes in contact with.[[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 07:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Sketch can copy Selfdestruct and Explosion. Just be in a double battle. You must have Smeargle and something with Selfdestruct/Explosion. One opponent must have Damp. Use SD/EX. It will fail due to damp. Sketch it.

I have successfully sketched Transform in a double battle. the Smeargle must know Dig, Dive, Fly, Bounce, or Shadow Force. Have Ditto transform into Smeargle and Smeargle use 2-turn move (Ditto must be slower (Lagging tail, anyone?). Transform will fail due to lack of target. next turn, have Smeargle use Sketch on Ditto, do whatever with Ditto (except switch out). Sketch will successfully copy Transform.

Lunar Dance; Smeargle and Cresselia must be your ONLY party members. Go into 2v2 battle and use Lunar Dance. It will fail. Sketch it. I'd assume Healing Wish works similarly.

No, having the Pokemon asleep will NOT work. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 14:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, having the intended target asleep does work in [[Generation III]]. I've Sketched Transform that way myself in Ruby. Granted, they may have changed that for [[Generation IV]]...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::You can Sketch Transform like a regular move. You don't have to do anything special. --[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 14:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect. Sketch will fail if used on Transform that succeeded in transforming the user. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 12:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Sketch will not copy Chatter.--[[User:ChocoboMog123|ChocoboMog123]] 19:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Chatter? Are you sure? Boy, that seems random. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

: Chatter is probably un-sketch-able due to audio limitations. [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 23:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:: That's absurd. I see that same bullshit parroted all over, but never any explanation. If it were truly a hardware issue, the move itself wouldn't work on Chatot, either (duh). Rather, it's probably to prevent the stupid situation of someone having Smeargle "learn" a chatter, only to find out that all of their other chatot's have learned what the Smeargle did (the game only saves one sound, which isn't traded with the pokemon).

== Breed ==
If you have a male smeargle with something like Roar of time and breed him with a female Eevee could the Eevee get Roar of time? [[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]
:Yeah, I wish. Roar of Time isn't one of Eevee's TM, HM, or egg moves, therefore no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

:Guys the trivia tricked me... Smeargle does NOT pass down egg moves. I tried to pass down moves to a Rhyhorn with my Smeargle, but it didn't do anything. I had a female Rhydon and a male Smeargle with Acientpower, Megahorn and Body Slam. I wanted to have then a Rhyhorn with Horn Attack, Acientpower, Body Slam and Megahorn, but when it was born it had only Horn Attack and Tail Whip. So I now think that Smeargle is the worst Pokemon, even than Magikarp ('cause at least Magikarp evolves). It has terrible stats and does NOT even pass down egg moves!!! >=( '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, it does pass down egg moves... I don't know why that happened, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh, now I do. Rhyhorn doesn't inherit AncientPower, Megahorn or Body Slam through breeding. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh poor Smergle he was innocent =(. I feel sorry for what I said XD because I got it to pass down Rock Slide to the Rhyhorn =S. Thanks anyway =). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You want to pass down a level-up move, both parents need to have it. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Stat? ==

How can Smeargle actually have Base Stats? It all depends on the moves it [[Sketch (move)|sketches]].
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 12:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Base stats and base power are different things. --'''''Posted by''''' [[User:Deadlymethane|'''''Deadly''''']][[User talk:Deadlymethane|'''''methane''''']] '''at''' 12:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Should it be mentioned in the Trivia section that it's sprite from Gen III is identical to it's Gen IV sprite? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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{{search|movie|the manga|Spell of the Unown (manga)}}
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|entitle=Spell of the Unown
|jatitle=結晶塔の帝王ＥＮＴＥＩ
|rotitle=Emperor of the Crystal Tower: Entei
|poster=Pokemon-3-poster-0.jpg
|jpprem=July 8, 2000
|usprem=April 6, 2001
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'''Pokémon the Movie 3 - Spell of the Unown''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|結晶塔|けっしょうとう}}の{{tt|帝王|ていおう}} ＥＮＴＥＩ''' ''Emperor of the Crystal Tower: Entei''; officially ''Lord of the "{{tt|Unknown|Unown}}" Tower'' in Japan) is the 3rd Pokémon movie, and 3rd of all Pokémon movies. It was first in Japanese theaters on July 8, 2000. It then made its way to North American theaters on April 6, 2001.

==Other posters and DVD covers==
<gallery>
File:Pokemon2000poster.jpg‎|Final ''Emperor of the Crystal Tower: Entei'' movie poster
</gallery>
==Synopsis==

The feature film focuses on the beautiful town of [[Greenfield]]. Living in the town is Professor [[Spencer Hale]], a research scientist who is researching on the elusive [[Unown (movie 3)|Unown]]. He and his assistant, [[Skyler]], discover a site of ruins but Hale is sucked into the dimension of the Unown, soon after Professor Hale's disappearance Skyler arrives back in Greenfield, He speaks with a man in the mansion and [[Molly]] comes rushing down to see Her Father. Molly is told the news by Skyler and goes downstairs in shock and sadness, She goes on her father's laptop trying to find out what happend, but soon she sees the box her father discovered in the ruins, and she sees all the Unown shapes, assuming they are letters, she spells, Mama, Papa and Molly, and the Unown come to life from the blocks and start making her dream world a reality, Skyler comes rushing in the main hall where She is but the Unown seal the door in ice, then Molly starts wishing Her father was there and the Unown bring [[Entei (movie 3)|Entei]]) to her making him think Molly is his child, they pan out and we see the new Greenfield, and the movie starts.

Meanwhile, [[Ash Ketchum]] and [[Ash's Friends|his friends]] have landed into Greenfield in the process and agree to join in the rescue mission to save young Molly. However, Entei kidnaps [[Delia Ketchum|Delia]], following Molly's request for a mother as well. Through Entei's powers, Delia is hypnotized into thinking she is Molly's mother and ends up being kidnapped. Ash, [[Misty]], [[Brock]] and their [[Pokémon]] head out to the mansion to save Delia, communicating with [[Professor Oak]] and Skyler thanks to a [[PokéGear]] device given to them by a Pokémon trainer named [[Lisa (movie)|Lisa]]. [[Team Rocket]] try to investigate the mansion only to be blasted out of the air by Entei into the depths of the mansion. Molly watches Ash and the others through a television and falls asleep, imagining herself being a [[Pokémon Trainer]]. Entei creates a dream version of Molly as an adult trainer and takes her to battle the three. She first fights Brock but her dreamed-up Pokémon are stronger then his, and then she has a more friendlier fight against Misty in an underwater battle but the winner is not shown.

Ash manages to locate Molly and Delia, but Molly refuses to leave with him and the mansion transforms. Entei refuses to allow Ash to leave with his mother, and fights his Pokémon. He then blasts Ash and [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]] off a cliff, but they are saved by the arrival of Ash's [[Ash's Charizard|Charizard]]. Charizard with Ash on his back, battles Entei until he is knocked out of the sky. Entei nearly kills Charizard until Molly commands him to stop and begs that no more fighting happens, which manages to stop Entei. Ash and his friends convince Molly to leave with them, Entei revealing he was created by the Unown to be her father.

The Unown suddenly lose control of their powers and start to seal the group in the mansion. Ash, Pikachu, Charizard, Misty, Brock, Delia, Molly and Team Rocket escape down to the hall where the Unown are. Pikachu and Charizard attempt to break the forcefield protecting the Unown, but they are joined by Entei, combining their powers to destroy the shield with Molly's support. Entei sacrifices himself and the Unown return to their dimension, reversing all of their effects on the world and returning Professor Hale to the ruins where he vanished.

The group venture outside where Professor Oak, Skyler, Lisa and others meet them. Team Rocket hide in the mansion upon seeing all of the police outside and vow they will succeed or fail in their next scheme. In the end credits, Charizard and Lisa depart from Ash's company, and Molly is seen with her own {{p|Teddiursa}} and is reunited with her father, and later, her mother.

==Characters==
===Humans===
[[File:Japanese M03 Logo.png|thumb|right|The Japanese logo]]
* [[Ash Ketchum]]
* [[Misty]]
* [[Brock]]
* [[Spencer Hale]]
* [[Molly Hale]]
* Molly's mother
* [[Schuyler]]
* {{mov|Lisa}}
* {{jo|Liza}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Officer Jenny]]
* [[Nurse Joy]]
* [[Delia Ketchum]]
* [[Tracey Sketchit]]
* [[Professor Oak]]

===Pokémon===
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togepi}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} ({{OP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}})
* {{p|Bulbasaur}} ({{OP|Ash|Bulbasaur}})
* {{p|Chikorita}} ({{OP|Ash|Chikorita}})
* {{p|Cyndaquil}} ({{OP|Ash|Cyndaquil}})
* {{p|Totodile}} ({{OP|Ash|Totodile}})
* {{p|Noctowl}} ({{OP|Ash|Noctowl}})
* {{p|Goldeen}} ({{OP|Misty|Goldeen}})
* {{p|Staryu}} ({{OP|Misty|Staryu}})
* {{p|Onix}} ({{OP|Brock|Onix}})
* {{p|Zubat}} ({{OP|Brock|Zubat}})
* {{p|Vulpix}} ({{OP|Brock|Vulpix}})
* {{p|Entei}} ([[Entei (movie 3)|illusion created by the Unown]])
* {{p|Unown}} ([[Unown (movie 3)|anime]])
* {{p|Charizard}} ({{OP|Ash|Charizard}})
* {{p|Teddiursa}} ([[Molly Hale|Molly's]])
* {{p|Teddiursa}} (Molly's; illusion created by the Unown)
* {{p|Flaaffy}} (Molly's; illusion created by the Unown)
* {{p|Phanpy}} (Molly's; illusion created by the Unown)
* {{p|Mantine}} (Molly's; illusion created by the Unown)
* {{p|Kingdra}} (Molly's; illusion created by the Unown)
* {{p|Aipom}} ({{mov|Lisa}}'s)
* {{p|Girafarig}} ({{mov|Lisa}}'s)
* {{p|Quagsire}} ({{mov|Lisa}}'s)
* {{p|Granbull}} ({{mov|Lisa}}'s)
* {{p|Butterfree}} ({{mov|Lisa}}'s)
* {{p|Mankey}} ({{mov|Lisa}}'s)

===Debuts===
* {{p|Entei}}
* {{p|Unown}}
* {{p|Teddiursa}}
* {{p|Flaaffy}}
* {{p|Phanpy}}
* {{p|Mantine}}
* {{p|Kingdra}}
* {{p|Aipom}}
* {{p|Granbull}}

==Cast==
{| class="credits-table" {{graytable|width: 100%}}
|-
! style="text-align: center;" colspan="4" |
| style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" lang="ja" | 出演
|-
! width="12%" | [[Ash Ketchum]]
| width="22%" | [[Veronica Taylor]]
! width="12%" | Satoshi
| width="21%" | [[Rica Matsumoto]]
! width="12%" lang="ja" | サトシ
| width="21%" lang="ja" | 松本梨香
|-
! {{AP|Pikachu}}
| [[Ikue Ohtani]]
! Pikachu
| Ikue Ohtani
! lang="ja" | ピカチュウ
| lang="ja" | 大谷育江
|-
! [[Brock]]
| [[Eric Stuart]]
! Takeshi
| [[Yūji Ueda]]
! lang="ja" | タケシ
| lang="ja" | うえだ　ゆうじ
|-
! [[Misty]]
| [[Rachael Lillis]]
! Kasumi
| [[Mayumi Iizuka]]
! lang="ja" | カスミ
| lang="ja" | 飯塚雅弓
|-
! [[Jessie]]
| Rachael Lillis
! Musashi
| [[Megumi Hayashibara]]
! lang="ja" | ムサシ
| lang="ja" | 林原めぐみ
|-
! [[James]]
| Eric Stuart
! Kojirō
| [[Shin'ichirō Miki]]
! lang="ja" | コジロウ
| lang="ja" | 三木眞一郎
|-
! {{MTR}}
| [[Maddie Blaustein]]
! Nyarth
| [[Inuko Inuyama]]
! lang="ja" | ニャース
| lang="ja" | 犬山イヌコ
|-
! {{p|Entei}}
| [[Dan Green]]
! Entei
| Naoto Takenaka
! lang="ja" | エンテイ
| lang="ja" | 竹中直人
|-
! [[Molly Hale]]
| [[Amy Birnbaum]]
! Me Snowdon
| [[Akiko Yajima]]
! lang="ja" | ミー・スノードン
| lang="ja" | 矢島晶子
|-
! [[Spencer Hale]]
| [[Dan Green]]
! Sully Snowdon
| Naoto Takenaka
! lang="ja" | シュリー・スノードン博士
| lang="ja" | 竹中直人
|-
! {{mov|Lisa}}
| [[Lisa Ortiz]]
! Rin
| Ai Katō
! lang="ja" | リン
| lang="ja" | 加藤あい
|-
! [[Schuyler]]
| [[Ted Lewis]]
! John
| Hirohide Yakumaru
! lang="ja" | ジョン
| lang="ja" | 薬丸裕英
|-
! [[Delia Ketchum]]
| Veronica Taylor
! Hanako
| Masami Toyoshima
! lang="ja" | ハナコ
| lang="ja" | 豊島まさみ
|-
! [[Professor Oak]]
| [[Stan Hart]]
! Dr. Ōkido
| [[Unshō Ishizuka]]
! lang="ja" | オーキド博士
| lang="ja" | 石塚運昇
|-
! [[Tracey Sketchit]]
| Ted Lewis
! Kenji
| [[Tomokazu Seki]]
! lang="ja" | ケンジ
| lang="ja" | 関智一
|-
! {{an|David}}
|
! David
| [[Kōichi Yamadera]]
! lang="ja" | デイビット
| lang="ja" | 山寺宏一
|-

! [[Narrator|Narration]]
| [[Ken Gates]]
! Narration
| Unshō Ishizuka
! lang="ja" | ナレーション
| lang="ja" | 石塚運昇
|}

==Trivia==
[[File:Unreleased Unown.jpg|left|thumb|Unknown Unown]]
* This movie premièred in Japan between the episodes ''[[EP155|The Forest Grumps]]'' and ''[[EP156|The Psychic Sidekicks]]''. Judging by the storyline, it takes place after ''[[EP154|Fowl Play]]'', because [[Ash's Noctowl]] is present, but before ''[[EP165|Hassle In The Castle]]'', because [[Brock's Golbat]] is still a {{p|Zubat}}, so its première took place in proper time.
* The movie's title, ''Spell of the Unown'', refers to both the fact that the crystal covering much of [[Greenfield]] is made by a spell that the Unown have made, but as well that Unown are able to be used to literally spell out words and phrases, which Molly does with the tiles.
* Some of the Unown that appear on Professor Oak's computer are, as of yet, [[Unreleased Pokémon|unreleased]]. However, since they're just drawings, it is possible that they don't really exist in [[Pokémon world]].
* This is the only [[original series]] movie not to feature a {{type2|Psychic}} [[legendary Pokémon]] as the main Pokémon.
* Jessie and James [[Breaking the fourth wall|break the fourth wall]] twice during the movie: first they do so when they sneak past [[Misty]] and Molly battling against each other, by asking if they'd have more important a role in the next movie, and again when saving Ash from falling, by saying that without him they wouldn't be in show business.
** Ironically, concerning the first instance of breaking the fourth wall, Team Rocket had a minor role in the fourth movie.
* Professor Oak's computer's task-bar area features Energy symbols from the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].
* At the end James holds a rose for the first time in several seasons.
* This is the first movie where an evolution of Dratini is not shown. {{p|Dragonite}} appears before Ash, Misty, and Brock in ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', and in ''[[Pikachu's Rescue Adventure]]'', which is shown before ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'', the storm is stopped by a {{p|Dragonair}}.
** On the same note, this is the first movie not to feature a storm.
***Also to note, this is the only movie thus far that only has one legendary Pokémon present in it.
[[Image:Hale's report.png|thumb|275px|The report from Prof. Hale]]

===Errors===
* For some reason, the report from Prof. Hale about the Unown contains numerous mistakes. Not only is the species spelled as "Unknown", but many obvious spelling and grammar mistakes are made. It seems to be a rough translation of Japanese.
* Unown is in Molly's book of [[legendary Pokémon]], though it is not explicitly legendary in the games though does share a lot of mythology with legendaries.
* In the Region 2 DVD commentary, [[Michael Haigney]] incorrectly states that Entei can talk due to it being a {{2t|Fire|Psychic}} Pokémon. Entei is actually a pure Fire-type, while its ability to talk was given by the Unown.
* In the Brazilian Portuguese dub, Misty states that she was the {{ci|Vermilion}} Gym Leader, instead of {{ci|Cerulean}} Gym Leader.

===Dub edits===
* Originally, the scene where Spencer Hale returns from the Unown world was part of the end credits. For the dub, this scene was moved after Greenfield was restored and before the scene where Ash, Pikachu, Misty, Brock, Charizard and Molly come out from the mansion after Greenfield's restoration (the 4Kids staff stated that they did this because some kids leave the theaters without watching the credits. Therefore the producers were worried that if the audience did leave before watching the credits, then they would assume the film ended with Molly still being left as an orphan).
* In the original, Spencer Hale's wife left him due to his obsession with discovering the secrets of the Unown. However, in the dub, her absence was explained as her having gone missing while studying the Unown.

===In other languages===

* Danish: '''{{tt|Pokémon 3: Truslen Fra Unown!|Pokémon 3: The Threat From Unown!}}'''
* Dutch: '''{{tt|Pokémon 3: In De Greep van de Unown!|Pokémon 3: In The Grip of the Unown!}}'''
* {{tt|Chinese|Hong Kong and Taiwan}}: '''{{tt|結晶塔之帝王|The King of the Crystal Tower}}'''
* German: '''{{tt|Pokémon 3 - Im Bann der Icognito|Pokémon 3 - In the embrace of Icognito}}'''
* Korean: '''{{tt|결정탑의 제왕|The Emperor of the Crystal Tower}}'''
* Polish: '''{{tt|Pokémon 3 - Zaklęcie Unown|Pokémon 3 - The Unown Curse}}'''
* Brazilian Portuguese: '''{{tt|Pokémon 3 - O Feitiço dos Unown|Pokémon 3 - The Spell of Unown}}'''
* European Portuguese: '''{{tt|A magia dos Unowns|The magic of Unown}}'''
* Italian: '''{{tt|Pokémon 3 - L'Incantesimo degli Unown|Pokémon 3 - Spell of the Unown}}'''
* {{tt|Spanish|Iberian and Latin American}}: '''{{tt|El Hechizo de los Unown|The Spell of the Unown}}'''
* Finnish: '''{{tt|Pokémon 3 - Unownien Loitsu/(Kristallitorni)|Pokémon 3 -Spell of the Unown/(The Crystal Tower) [TV only] }}'''
* Swedish: '''{{tt|Pokémon 3 - Unowns Förtrollning|Spell of the Unown}}'''
* Czech: '''{{tt|Podlehněte kouzlu Unowna|You Fall Unown's Magic}}'''

==External links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266860/ ''Pokémon 3: The Movie'' at IMDb]

{{Movies}} 
{{Project Anime notice|mov}}
[[Category:Movies]]
[[de:Pokémon 3 - Im Bann der Icognito]]
[[fr:Le sort des Zarbi]]
[[ja:劇場版ポケットモンスター結晶塔の帝王 ENTEI]]
[[pt:Spell of the Unown]]

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What up?
GO POKeMON!!!!!!!!

User:Bttsstewart

2010-03-03T12:57:34Z

Bttsstewart: /* Intro */

What up?
GO POKeMON!!!!!!!!

Here's how my love of Pokemon began and grew...
When I was young, I got introduced to the anime (though at the time it was just "The Pokemon Show" to me) and I loved it. I started collecting the cards when I was about 7. By the time I was 16, I had three folders full of them, and I recently sold them to a young child along with some other old Pokemon merchandise. It was just my way of passing the torch to the next generation of Pokemon fans, *sniff* *wipes tear away* LOL. XD

My first Pokemon game was Yellow, I thought it was so cool (I loved that little Pikachu...) which I got when I was about 9, around the time the newer Crystal game came out.
Then I got Silver, which I bought from Cash Converters (an Australian second hand goods store) but it broke...The internal battery wore down and then ... boom, no more Silver. This happened BEFORE I had the chance to find out you could go to the Kanto region.
Then...a revolution...WOOHOO! I got Sapphire around Christmas 2003 which truly renewed Pokemon for me! My brother got Ruby. And LeafGreen brought back old memories of Generation I and all, but I thought it was one of the least interesting games in the Pokemon franchise so far. It just didn't grab me. My brother liked FireRed much better than LeafGreen because as far as he was concerned, "all the new Pokemon suck."
:-P I didn't think they were that bad. I LOVED my Kyogre from Sapphire. I bought Emerald because I loved the changes and I wanted to see the Battle Frontier. Wow, everything was so...new! The grass was slightly different! The Pokemon in the wild moved! A new character who wore sunnies and interupted you when you beat a Gym Leader! And...uh...well, it was good enough for me then.
Then...as I entered year 10 of high school and I worried if I was too old for Pokemon, BAM!; POKEMON DIAMOND AND PEARL!! I was like "OMG, I WANTS IT..." While I had for the first time EVA completed the Regional Dex in Emerald, Diamond was the first game where I completed the NATIONAL DEX. That was so cool (and got me bragging rights with my friends who were also fans of the series.)
For my 18th Birthday, one of my gifts will be HeartGold! Looking forward to Gen 5's suprises!

Kanto

2010-02-28T04:22:55Z

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{{RegionInfobox|
name=Kanto |
jname=カントー地方 |
tmname=Kantō-chihō |
image=[[File:Kanto FRLG Harada map.jpg|250px]] |
caption=Artwork of the Kanto region from [[Generation III]] |
intro=[[Pokémon Red and Green Versions]] |
professor=[[Professor Oak]] |
starter={{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, {{p|Squirtle}}, {{p|Pikachu}}{{tt|*|Yellow Version and anime}}, and {{p|Eevee}}{{tt|*|Yellow Version, rival's}}|
team=[[Team Rocket]] |
league=yes |
lname=[[Indigo League]] |
location=[[Indigo Plateau]] |dex=yes |
dexlist=[[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|Kanto Pokédex]] |
anime=yes |
season=[[Pokémon: Indigo League|Indigo League]] (1) [[Pokémon: Advanced Battle|Advanced Battle]] (8) [[Pokémon: Battle Frontier|Battle Frontier]] (9) |
series={{series2|Original}}, {{series2|Advanced Generation}} |
games=yes |
generation={{Gen|I}}, {{Gen|II}}, {{Gen|III}}, {{Gen|IV}}|
game=[[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red]], [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Green]], [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]]
}}
[[File:Kanto.png|thumb|right|250px|In-game map of the Kanto region from [[Generation IV]]]]
[[Image:Kanto-map.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Map of the Kanto region from [[Generation I]]]]
[[Image:KantoII.png|thumb|right|250px|Map of the Kanto region from [[Generation II]]]]
[[Image:Kanto_Anime.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Anime-based map of the Kanto region]]
The '''Kanto''' region (Japanese: '''カントー地方''' ''Kantō-chihō'') is a large area located east of [[Johto]], north of [[Hoenn]], and south of [[Sinnoh]]. It is the first region to be introduced, explored in the [[Generation I]] games and in the [[Generation III]] games [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions]]. Kanto is also accessible in the [[Generation II]] games {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}} and their [[Generation IV]] [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|remakes]] after the quest in Johto is completed. It is the only region to appear in all Generations so far released.

Most of the names of the cities in Kanto are the names of colors (Viridian, Lavender, Indigo Plateau, etc.). [[Professor Oak]] is the resident [[Pokémon professor]] and gives [[Pokémon Trainer]]s a choice between {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, or {{p|Squirtle}} as their [[starter Pokémon]], though in Yellow the only choice is a [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]] that he recently caught. In the games, the player begins his or her journey in [[Pallet Town]] and ends it at the [[Indigo Plateau]].

It is based on and named after the real {{wp|Kantō region}} (関東, meaning "east of the barrier") in Japan. Unlike almost every other region, which are specific to their own generations, Kanto has been explorable in all generations of Pokémon games so far. However, it is not the primary region in the Generation II and IV games it appears in, in which players explore the neighboring Johto region before exploring Kanto.

==Locations==
===Cities/Towns===
* [[Pallet Town]]
* [[Viridian City]]
* [[Pewter City]]
* [[Cerulean City]]
* [[Vermilion City]]
* [[Lavender Town]]
* [[Celadon City]]
* [[Fuchsia City]]
* [[Saffron City]]
* [[Cinnabar Island]]

===Anime Cities/Towns===
* [[Porta Vista]]
* [[HopHopHop Town]]
* [[Gringey City]]
* [[Sunny Town]]
* [[Stone Town]]
* [[Neon Town]]
* [[Dark City]]
* {{ka|Silver Town}}
* [[Wisteria Town]]
* [[Chrysanthemum Island]]
* [[Commerce City]]
* [[Gardenia Town]]
* [[Mulberry Town]]
* [[Sable City]]
* [[Terracotta Town]]
* [[Rifure Village]]

===Areas of interest===
* [[Cerulean Cave]]
* [[Diglett's Cave]]
* [[Indigo Plateau]]
* [[Mt. Moon]]
* {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}}
* [[Pokémon Tower]]
* [[Power Plant]]
* [[Rock Tunnel]]
* [[Rocket Game Corner]]
* [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]]
* [[Seafoam Islands]]
* [[Silph Co.]]
* {{ka|Victory Road}}
* [[Viridian Forest]]
* {{OBP|Pokémon Stadium|stage}} (according to its in-game location information in [[Super Smash Bros.]])

===Routes===
Routes in Kanto began the numbering process, going from {{rtn|1}} to {{rtn|25}} in [[Generation I]] and [[Generation III]], but adding three routes to connect to Johto ({{rtn|26}}, {{rtn|27}}, and {{rtn|28}}) in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation IV]].

==Indigo League==
{{main|Indigo League}}
[[File:Kanto anime.png|250px|thumb|right|Kanto in the anime]]

==In Generations I and III==
Between Generation I and Generation III, Kanto is very much the same with some alterations in respect to the improved graphics and gameplay in the remakes. Additionally in FireRed and LeafGreen, the first three in a chain of islands known as the [[Sevii Islands]], located east and southeast of Kanto, are unlocked once Blaine is defeated on Cinnabar Island. [[Champion]]ing the [[Elite Four]] and getting the [[National Pokédex]] unlocks the other islands which make up this archipelago.

====Gym Leaders====
{| align="center" style="background: #6A12AB; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 4px solid #6A12AB;" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #6A12AB;" colspan="4" | {{color2|CCBBFF|Indigo League}}
|-style="background: #6A12AB;" align="center"
! colspan="2" | {{color|CCBBFF|Generations {{color2|CCBBFF|Generation I|I}} and {{color2|CCBBFF|Generation III|III}}}}
! colspan="2" | {{color2|CCBBFF|Region|Region:}} {{color2|CCBBFF|Kanto}}
|-
! style="background: #CCBBFF; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|6A12AB|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #CCBBFF;" | {{color|6A12AB|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #CCBBFF;" | {{color2|6A12AB|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #CCBBFF; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color2|6A12AB|Badge}}
{{gldr|type=Rock|pic=SpriteBrock.png|ldr=Brock|djap=タケシ|drm=Takeshi|loc=Pewter City|cjap=ニビシティ|crm=Nibi City|bdge=Boulder}}
{{gldr|type=Water|pic=SpriteMisty.png|ldr=Misty|djap=カスミ|drm=Kasumi|loc=Cerulean City|cjap=ハナダシティ|crm=Hanada City|bdg=Cascade}}
{{gldr|type=Electric|pic=SpriteSurge.png|ldr=Lt. Surge|djap=マチス|drm=Matis|loc=Vermilion City|cjap=クチバシティ|crm=Kuchiba City|bdg=Thunder}}
{{gldr|type=Grass|pic=SpriteErika.png|ldr=Erika|djap=エリカ|drm=Erika|loc=Celadon City|cjap=タマムシシティ|crm=Tamamushi City|bdg=Rainbow}}
{{gldr|type=Poison|pic=SpriteKoga.png|ldr=Koga|djap=キョウ|drm=Kyō|loc=Fuchsia City|cjap=セキチクシティ|crm=Sekichiku City|bdg=Soul}}
{{gldr|type=Psychic|pic=SpriteSabrina.png|ldr=Sabrina|djap=ナツメ|drm=Natsume|loc=Saffron City|cjap=ヤマブキシティ|crm=Yamabuki City|bdg=Marsh}}
{{gldr|type=Fire|pic=SpriteBlaine.png|ldr=Blaine|djap=カツラ|drm=Katsura|loc=Cinnabar Island|cjap=グレンじま|crm=Guren Island|bdg=Volcano}}
{{gldrb|type=Ground|pic=SpriteGiovanni.png|ldr=Giovanni|djap=サカキ|drm=Sakaki|loc=Viridian City|cjap=トキワシティ|crm=Tokiwa City|bdg=Earth}}
|}

====Elite Four====
{{elt/h}}
{{elt|type=Ice|pic=FL Lorelei.png|m=Lorelei|mjap=カンナ|mrm=Kanna}}
{{elt|type=Fighting|pic=FL Bruno.png|m=Bruno|mjap=シバ|mrm=Siba}}
{{elt|type=Ghost|pic=FRLG Agatha.png|m=Agatha|mjap=キクコ|mrm=Kikuko}}
{{elt|type=Dragon|pic=FL Lance.png|m=Lance|mjap=ワタル|mrm=Wataru}}
{{eltb|type=blue|t=Various|pic=FL Blue.png|m=Blue (game)|m2=Blue|mjap=グリーン|mrm=Green}}
|}
{{-}}

==In Generations II and IV==
In the Generation II games as well as {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, trainers may travel from Johto to Kanto and notice that changes have occurred as a result of three years having passed since the time of the Generation I games and {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}:

* The Safari Zone is closed (becomes [[Pal Park]] in Generation IV)
* Cerulean Cave has collapsed (untrue in Generation IV)
* Cinnabar Island has been destroyed by an eruption of the volcano, and its gym was temporarily relocated to the Seafoam Islands.
* Viridian Forest has become smaller (untrue in Generation IV) and Mt. Moon has decreased in size due to rock slides.
* The Power Plant has become functional.
* The Pokémon Tower has become a radio tower.
* Blue has remodeled Giovanni's former gym and functions as the Gym Leader.
* Janine has taken over Fuchsia Gym, seeing as her father Koga has been promoted to the [[Elite Four]].
* The Pewter City Museum is closed for renovations (untrue in Generation IV).

====Gym Leaders====
{| align="center" style="background: #00647f; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 4px solid #00647f;" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #00647f;" colspan="4" | {{color2|1cb0d9|Indigo League}}
|-
! style="background: #1cb0d9; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | {{color|00647f|Gym Leader Japanese}}
! style="background: #1cb0d9;" | {{color|00647f|Location Japanese}}
! style="background: #1cb0d9;" | {{color2|00647f|Elemental type|Type}}
! style="background: #1cb0d9; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | {{color2|00647f|Badge}}
{{gldr|type=Rock|pic=VSBrock.png|ldr=Brock|djap=タケシ|drm=Takeshi|loc=Pewter City|cjap=ニビシティ|crm=Nibi City|bdge=Boulder}}
{{gldr|type=Water|pic=VSMisty.png|ldr=Misty|djap=カスミ|drm=Kasumi|loc=Cerulean City|cjap=ハナダシティ|crm=Hanada City|bdg=Cascade}}
{{gldr|type=Electric|pic=VSLtSurge.png|ldr=Lt. Surge|djap=マチス|drm=Matis|loc=Vermilion City|cjap=クチバシティ|crm=Kuchiba City|bdg=Thunder}}
{{gldr|type=Grass|pic=VSErika.png|ldr=Erika|djap=エリカ|drm=Erika|loc=Celadon City|cjap=タマムシシティ|crm=Tamamushi City|bdg=Rainbow}}
{{gldr|type=Poison|pic=VSJanine.png|ldr=Janine|djap=アンズ|drm=Anzu|loc=Fuchsia City|cjap=セキチクシティ|crm=Sekichiku City|bdg=Soul}}
{{gldr|type=Psychic|pic=VSSabrina.png|ldr=Sabrina|djap=ナツメ|drm=Natsume|loc=Saffron City|cjap=ヤマブキシティ|crm=Yamabuki City|bdg=Marsh}}
{{gldr|type=Fire|pic=VSBlaine.png|ldr=Blaine|djap=カツラ|drm=Katsura|loc=Seafoam Islands|cjap=ふたごじま|crm= Twin Islands|bdg=Volcano}}
{{gldrb|type=Blue|t=Various|pic=VSBlue.png|ldr=Blue (game)|altname=Blue|djap=グリーン|drm=Green|loc=Viridian City|cjap=トキワシティ|crm=Tokiwa City|bdg=Earth}}
|}
{{-}}

====Elite Four====
{{elt/h|gen=II|l=1cb0d9|d=00647f}}
{{elt|type=Psychic|pic=VSWill.png|m=Will|mjap=イツキ|mrm=Itsuki}}
{{elt|type=Poison|pic=VSKoga.png|m=Koga|mjap=キョウ|mrm=Kyō}}
{{elt|type=Fighting|pic=VSBruno.png|m=Bruno|mjap=シバ|mrm=Siba}}
{{elt|type=Dark|pic=VSKaren.png|m=Karen|mjap=カリン|mrm=Karin}}
{{eltb|type=Dragon|pic=VSLance.png|m=Lance|mjap=ワタル|mrm=Wataru}}
|}
{{-}}

==Culture==
===Connection to Japan===
{{main|Pokémon world in relation to the real world}}

Regardless of their proximity, the people of Johto and those of Kanto are set apart by many cultural differences. Kanto is based on the real {{wp|Kanto region}} in Japan. Compared to the traditional {{wp|Kansai region}} (where Johto is based), Kanto is modern and technological, which is reflected in the look of the cities and the buildings like the Pokémon Lab of Cinnabar Island, or the Power Plant. Also this fact is reflected in Kanto being the only Pokémon region without any legends, myths or traditions (an example of that is Mewtwo, the Legendary Pokémon of Kanto, which is a product of the science, contrasting the Bird Duo of Johto, the Weather Trio of Hoenn, or the Dragon Trio of Sinnoh), or in Porygon, which was created in the Pokémon Lab (adding the fact that the player receives the item Up-Grade in Silph Co.). The soil of the Kansai region is volcanic, referencing the in-game Kanto region's inability to maintain a [[berry]] crop in [[Generation II]], [[Generation III]] and [[Generation IV]]. People from Kanto are considered to be sophisticated, reserved and formal. Kansai and Kantō, however different, are the two most important areas of Honshū, the largest island in Japan, and, much like Johto and Kanto, represent a harmony of contrasting cultures living together. The cultural divide is most noticeable in the games, as the player talks to and learns about the denizens of both regions.

Tokyo, based in the commercial Celadon City and the financial Saffron City, is the most important commercial and economic center of Japan. Yokohama, based in Vermillion City, is the main and largest seaport of Japan.

==Trivia==
*Kanto's name was never revealed in the [[Generation I]] {{pkmn|games}} outside of Japan, causing many fans to think the region was called Indigo (because of the [[Indigo Plateau]]). It was mentioned only once in the Japanese versions upon viewing the [[Town Map]] at the rival's house. The first mention of its name outside of Japanese context was in ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]''. Despite this, its name is mentioned multiple times in the [[Generation III]] remakes, including but not limited to viewing the Town Map at the beginning of the games.
*Kanto is the only main [[region]] which has been featured in two separate anime [[series]], once at the start of {{Ash}}'s journey (in the [[original series]]), and once after Ash returned from Hoenn (in the {{series|Advanced Generation}}). It is also the only in-game region that has not had continuous time spent in it for more than one [[dub]] [[season]].
**Until Platinum's release, after Ash defeated [[Maylene]] and [[Crasher Wake]] (not to mention just before Ash challenges [[Fantina]]), it was also the only region in the anime where Ash defeated the Gym Leaders in a different order from the games.
*Kanto is mentioned during the event in which players capture {{p|Shaymin}} in {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}. [[Professor Oak]] states that somewhere in the Kanto region there is a white rock similar to the one at the north end of {{rt|224}} in Sinnoh, although no such rock has appeared in past games taking place in Kanto. Despite the fact that Kanto appears in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, no white rock appears at all.
*If the Sevii Islands were considered part of Kanto, then Kanto would be the largest region in the games.
*Kanto is the only region that is accessible in every generation (albeit not in every game in every generation): {{game3|Red and Green|Red, Green|s}}, {{game3|Red and Blue|Blue|s}} and {{v2|Yellow}} in [[Generation I]], {{game3|Gold and Silver|Gold, Silver|s}} and {{v2|Crystal}} in [[Generation II]], {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}} in [[Generation III]], and {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} in [[Generation IV]].
*Kanto is the only region that shares its name with the {{wp|List of regions of Japan|region of Japan}} it is based on.
*In its Generation I and III appearances (i.e. the games in which it is the primary region), Kanto is the only region where the {{player}} doesn't need {{m|Waterfall}} to get to the [[Elite Four]]. Pokémon Trainers from Johto, however, ''do'' need Waterfall.
**It is the only region where the League is west of all of the Gyms. This does consider Johto, whose Gyms are all west of the Indigo Plateau.
*Kanto is the only region in the main series in which all the cities have Gyms, and none of the towns do.
*Kanto is the only region that does not have a Battle Frontier in the handheld games.
**However, it has {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|III|one}} in the anime.
*Kanto and Johto are the only regions that are connected to each other by land, and are likewise the only regions to add additional routes in their second appearances.
*In Generation I, Kanto was slightly redesigned twice, with the designs of signposts, doors and other minor details being changed, thus having 3 different designs through {{2v2|Red|Green}}, {{v2|Blue}} and {{v2|Yellow}}. The original Red and Green design was updated to be fully colored and subsequently reused in Generation II, if not counting the changes in the areas of the region.
{{-}}
{{Regions}}
{{Kanto}}

[[Category:Kanto locations|*]]
[[Category:Red, Blue and Yellow locations|*]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations|*Kanto]]
[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen locations|*]]

[[de:Kanto]]
[[es:Kanto]]
[[fr:Kanto]]
[[ja:カントー地方]]
[[pl:Kanto]]
[[pt:Kanto]]

Talk:Signal Beam (move)

2010-02-17T08:48:40Z

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List of glitches in Generation I

2010-02-17T08:00:40Z

Bttsstewart:

This is a list of minor glitches in the [[main series]] Pokémon games.
==In [[Generation I]]==
===Hall of Fame Glitch===
[[Image:Halloffameglitches.png|thumb|right|160px|Examples of corrupted Hall of Fame entries.]]
{{main|Missingno.#Glitches caused|Missingno.}}
When Missingno. has been seen on the save file, the player's [[Hall of Fame]] is badly corrupted with entirely different Pokémon, even [[glitch Pokémon]], and very glitched characters, names and levels. This does not affect the Pokémon themselves, rather the data seen in the Hall of Fame.

===Man on the roof===
If one does not have the [[List of key items in Generation I#Secret_Key|key]] to the [[Cinnabar Gym]], and {{m|surf}}s on the east coast and returns to land directly in front of the gym, a man will appear on the roof of the gym. A similar effect happens if the player walks into the [[Vermilion Gym]], walks directly left and then up so that they are facing the bottom-left trash can and press A to inspect it, or if the player is in the gatehouse to [[Route 17|Cycling Road]]. One of the trainers in the gym will be misplaced and return to his usual spot once the text box disappears, and when in the gatehouse there may be a man standing on an object somewhere behind the guard.

===Prevented progress===
If the player's [[starter Pokémon]] evolves before they obtain their [[Pokédex]] from Prof. Oak, the game will assume that, since they have 2 Pokémon registered as caught, that they already have a Pokédex, and will not allow them to proceed. This glitch is only present in the Japanese {{v|Red and Green|s}}.

===Invisible PC===
There is a hotel in [[Celadon City]] that resembles a [[Pokémon Center]] on the inside. In the top-right space of the area that the player can walk on, there is an invisible, usable PC.

===Fishing in Statues===
The player can use a [[Fishing|Fishing Rod]] when facing the right or left of a gym statue. It will always say "Looks like there's nothing in here...", except in the [[Cerulean Gym]], where all the [[Pokémon]] obtainable in the gym can be caught.

===Q Glitch===
{{main|Q#Duplication trick/Merge Trick|Q Glitch}}

[[Q]] and [[Charizard 'M]] enable a player to swap Pokémon's moves. It involves depositing Q and other Pokémon into Bill's PC in a certain order, and then when they are retrieved, the Pokémon's moves and stats will be transferred from one Pokémon to another.

===Cut glitch===
[[File:Cut glitch.png|thumb|right|220px|[[Red (Game)|Red]] standing on top of the tree outside [[Vermilion Gym]].]]
{{main|Cut glitch}}
====Stuck in tree====
If the player cuts down a tree, stands on the spot, saves, turns the game off, then loads it, the player will be standing on a tree. The player will be stuck unless the player has a Pokémon with {{m|Fly}} or {{m|Teleport}}.

====Invisible tree====
There is a tree near the bottom of [[Route 14]]. If this particular tree is cut down and then the player walks five steps west from where the tree was (so that the spot where the tree used to be is at the edge of the screen) and then walks back their path will be blocked as if a tree was still there. Even though the tree is not visible, it can still be cut down normally using the move {{m|Cut}}.

===Level 1 Pokémon===
{{main|Mew glitch#Level 1 Pokémon|Level 1 Pokémon}}
Level one Pokémon were usually unobtainable in [[Generation I]]. This glitch allowed a level 1 Pokémon to be caught which were not programmed correctly and some would "jump" to level 100 after gaining experience.

===Stuck in Wall===
If the player lures an NPC into the grass above [[Pallet Town]], she will block the player from following [[Professor Oak]] correctly, causing the player to become stuck in the wall of Oak's laboratory.

===0 ERROR===
{{main|0 ERROR}}
A glitch similar to the [[Mew glitch]] that causes [[Route 6]] to become glitched.

===Error codes===
[[File:59 Error.png|thumb|right|220px|A 59 Error]]
{{main|Error codes}}
In Pokémon Red and Blue, there are several error codes that appear when the game is not functioning correctly. Problems such as these often crop up when the game's memory access is corrupted or when experimenting with glitches such as the [[Mew glitch]]. Usually, when an error code appears, the game does not freeze and the player is allowed to continue playing the game without [[Soft resetting|resetting]]. Occasionally [[Error codes#Mixed errors|mixed errors]] occur.



{{Glitches}}
{{Project GlitchDex notice}}
[[Category:Glitches]]

Prima Games

2010-02-17T02:18:22Z

Bttsstewart: /* {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} */

'''Prima Games''' is a company that writes companion strategy guides to video games. Prima has written all the strategy guides for the Pokémon series.

=={{game|Red and Blue|s}}==
Two guides were made for these games. One featured {{p|Charizard}} on the cover; the other had {{p|Blastoise}}. Each guide offered a complete breakdown of [[Kanto]], including all cities, towns, routes and caves. Locations for all 150 Pokémon were given including their respective skills and statistics. A list of moves, and all available [[TM]] and [[HM]] locations was also given. Also included were a list of where to find items, tips on how to beat the [[Gym Leader]]s and maps of every location. This book was published on October 14, 1998.

=={{game|Yellow}}==
This guide was published almost a year after the Red and Blue versions. On the cover was a picture of {{p|Pikachu}}. In addition to Yellow, the guide covered the other two versions of the Pokémon games available as well. This book was published on October 13, 1999.

=={{game|Gold and Silver|s}}==
Only one guide was made for these games. On the cover were {{p|Ho-Oh}} and {{p|Lugia}}. The guide gave a complete explanation of all the new features, such as the [[PokéGear]]. Details of the time-of-day dependent events were covered, with information on Pokémon specific to certain times.

Locations of all TMs and HMs were given. Battle tactics for how to obtain all eight gym badges were also given. Tips on breeding, capturing, raising, and training the new Pokémon were explained. A sealed section that revealed all puzzles and mysteries was included in the book too. This book was published on October 11, 2000.

===Pokémon Master Pokédex===
A second book was released to complement the Gold & Silver guide. It features {{p|Pichu}} on the cover and contains in-depth information about all of the [[Generation I]] and [[Generation II]] Pokémon (excluding {{p|Celebi}})'s stats, learnsets, locations, evolution information, and information about breeding and [[baby Pokémon]]. There is also a section with information about the [[Pokémon Pikachu 2]].

=={{game|Crystal}}==
This guide had a picture of {{p|Suicune}} on the cover. Quick-path walkthrough for Pokémon trainers on the move were given so the player could get to places faster. Complete maps and walkthroughs of the Johto and Kanto regions were shown. A comprehensive Pokédex containing Crystal moves, availability charts, and detailed stats for all 251 Pokémon were included. Every secret item location and puzzle solution was exposed in the book. Detailed Pokémon evolution and breeding tips were also a major part of the book. This book was published on July 24, 2001.

=={{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}==
[[File:Prima RS.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Prima's guide for Ruby and Sapphire]]
Only one guide was published for these games. On the cover were both {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}}. Included in the book were:
*Tips for winning the Pokémon Contests
*Locations to all Secret Bases and Battle Towers
*Thorough Pokédex, featuring Ruby and Sapphire Pokémon, with locations, statistics, and skills
*Strategy to win all 2-on-2 battles and beat all enemy Pokémon Trainers
*Complete walkthrough of the vast new Pokémon world, including all cities, towns, streets, and dungeons
*Detailed moves list
*Tips to capturing, evolving, and customizing one's Pokémon
*Detailed charts for Technical and Hidden Machines
This book was published on March 25, 2003.

=={{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}==
[[File:Prima FRLG.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Prima's guide for FireRed and LeafGreen]]
On the cover of the book is {{p|Venusaur}}, {{p|Charizard}}, {{ga|Red}}, and {{ga|Leaf}}. The book includes:
*Extensive strategy for new and veteran players.
*Massive walkthrough with stats on every enemy
*Exclusive maps to help the player navigate each area
*Detailed battle tactics
*Essential Pokédex, featuring stats and how to catch them
This book was published on September 14, 2004.

=={{game|Emerald}}==
[[File:Prima E.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Prima's guide for Emerald]]
On the cover of this book was {{p|Rayquaza}}. This book included:
*Tips for collecting the 200 + 2 Pokémon to complete the Hoenn Pokédex
*How to clear all 7 Battle Frontier arenas and get the Silver Symbols
*Detailed walkthrough guides the player through story mode
*Maps cover every region, including all-new, as-yet-unexplored areas
*Field, Battle, and Contest moves lists, plus Items list
*How to play Pokémon Emerald with Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire, Pokémon FireRed and Pokémon LeafGreen, and Pokémon Colosseum
This book was published on April 26, 2005.

=={{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}==
[[File:Prima DP.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Prima's guide for Diamond and Pearl]]
On the cover was {{ga|Lucas}}, {{ga|Dawn}}, the Gym Leaders of [[Sinnoh]], {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Chimchar}}, {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. This book included:
*A large poster with exclusive Pokémon art.
*Each area of the new Sinnoh region comprehensively covered so players will be able to find all the new Pokémon.
This book was published April 22, 2007.

===Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Pokédex===
This book was an expansion of the previous book. This guide had numerous Pokémon on the cover. The majority of the book is a Pokédex, but it also gives a guide of where to catch specific Pokémon after getting the [[National Pokédex]]. A poster of all the Pokémon known to the public ({{p|Darkrai}}, {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Arceus}} not included) was a bonus in the book.

=={{game|Platinum}}==
[[File:Prima Pt.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Prima's guide for Platinum]]
On the cover of the book are {{p|Giratina}}, Lucas, Dawn, Pearl, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Shaymin Sky Forme, and all of the Sinnoh [[Frontier Brains]].

The book included:
*Complete Pokédex fully details all available Pokémon. Providing stats, levels, learned moves, and more. Including the newest additions to the Pokémon roster.
*Full walkthrough with maps - Each area will be comprehensively covered with maps, screens, and text
*All Gameplay Covered - Every part of the game is detailed: from the main quest and side quests to the battle games and contests.
*Embossed Cover - Embossed cover treatment to make the art come to life.
*Adventure Data - Data of Pokémon items, and types.
*Map Posters - Two mini-posters with maps of the new areas.
*Stickers - Two pages of stickers featuring Ken Sugimori artwork.
This book was released on March 22, 2009.

=={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}==
[[File:HGSSGuide.gif|thumb|right|150px|Prima's guide for HeartGold and SoulSilver]]
On the cover are {{ga|Gold}}, {{ga|Kotone}}, the Gym Leaders of [[Johto]], {{p|Chikorita}}, {{p|Cyndaquil}}, {{p|Totodile}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}}, and {{p|Lugia}}.

The book will include:
* Full Walkthrough with Maps - Each area will be comprehensively covered with maps, screens, and text.
* Main Game Covered - Every part of the main game is detailed.
* Johto Region Pokédex - A Pokédex showing details for the Pokémon that can be found in the Johto region.
* Map Poster - A mini-poster with the area map.
This book will be released on March 14, 2010.

===Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Pokédex===
This book will be an expansion of the first volume. It will feature a complete Pokédex of all 493 Pokémon, complete move lists, and maps and guides to after-game areas. It will be released on April 20, 2010.

==Additional cover art==
<gallery perrow=4>
File:DPPokedexGuide.gif|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Pokédex guide
File:TimeDarknessGuide.gif|[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]] guide
File:SkyGuide.gif|[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]] guide
File:ShadowsAlmiaGuide.gif|[[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]] guide
</gallery>

{{Books}}
{{Project Merchandise notice|book}}

Talk:Steelix (Pokémon)

2010-02-12T10:45:15Z

Bttsstewart:

== Crystal Onix ==

Would anyone object to my adding a note about the Crystal Onix that appeared in the anime and its possible influence on Steelix? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 20:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:By the time that episode aired, Steelix was likely already developed. Heck, I think it was known of. I know that I knew about it since I was crushed when I traded away my Onix for the 1999 TRU event Mew. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::Perhaps, but the two share a variety of similarities, and one likely had some impact on the design of the other. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 00:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

== Second Longest Since Generation II ==

In the trivia section, it says that Steelix has been the second longest pokemon since its introduction in Generation II, but in Generation II it was THE longest. Shouldn't a note be made that it didn't become second longest until Generation III, when Wailord first showed up? - Buddy Christ
:Exactly, if you want to edit, go for it. If you do anything wrong, I or somebody else will fix it for you, this is after all a public encyclopedia. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 17:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

== Type ==

Is Steelix the only, or one of only few, who ''lose'' a type when they evolve? And if so, coould this go in Trivia? [[Image:484MS.png]][[User:** LV X **|'''''LEVEL <big>X</big>''''']] [[User talk:** LV X **|Talk to me!]] 11:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
It changes from Rock to Steel. Of course a Pokemon is going to change types upon evolution. There is no need to mention it. Besides, it's quite obvious when looking at Onix compared to Steelix. So it's redundant. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:It does not lose a type, its Rock type changes to Steel. It's not notable, this happens with other Pokémon (such as {{p|Tyranitar}}'s Ground -> Dark). {{p|Bellossom}}, on the contrary, ''does'' lose a type, and that is already mentioned in its trivia section. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== Start Moves ==

I am a little confused on how Steelix has 7 start moves while Onix starts with 4. How can someone get a Steelix that knows Fire Fang, Ice Fang, and Thunder Fang if one has to first trade an Onix holding Metal Coat for it to become Steelix and even if it is a lv. 1 Onix it would already know its 4 Starting moves. Does Steelix learn Fire Fang, Ice Fang, and Thunder Fang when it is traded as an Onix and evolves? Could someone please explain this to me. Thank you. --[[User:PikaPower|'''Pika''']][[User talk:Pikapower|'''Power!''']] ''<big>''[[Special:Contributions/PikaPower|'''☆''']]''</big> 02:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

That's just what the guides say. Also, one could get those moves were they to use a move relearner. That answer your question? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 02:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I guess so. Thanks. --[[User:PikaPower|'''Pika''']][[User talk:Pikapower|'''Power!''']] ''<big>''[[Special:Contributions/PikaPower|'''☆''']]''</big> 18:09, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

== Crystal Shiny Sprite ==
The shiny sprite from Crystal's backwards. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Zorua (Pokémon)

2010-02-12T10:06:52Z

Bttsstewart: /* Questions, questions, questions. */

== Questions, questions, questions. ==
Quag, can we edit this page? -[[user:?????|Full of]] [[user talk:?????|Questions]]
:As long as you don't put in any nonsense speculation, yes. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Since I can't edit this, can someone point out that Zorua and Zoroark appear to be based off of the shapshifting kitsune in Japanese folklore? Especially when you compare its reddish facial markings to the red marks that often outline the face in "kitsune" masks? thanks - {{unsigned|Ninja wolf}}
::Also, "Zorro" (similar to Zorua and Zoroark) is spanish for fox. This should probably be name origin (until we get their English names) [[User:Takharii|'''たかはりい''']]'''☆'''[[User talk:Takharii|Talk!]] 07:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Can we take the Fake sprites off this page? They're fake and obviously have no place there. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 17:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::They are used as replacements until real sprites are made. They say they are fake when you scroll over them and when you click on them. It is similar to using the images that are used in the infobox. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 17:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Not paying attention to the file information, eh Bttsstewart? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::No, I saw that. COuldn't it just say something like "SPRITE NOT RELEASED" or something in that box until the real one's come out? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Zorua? Zoroa? ==

Shouldn't it be added (trivia, perhaps?) that the Katakana spelling of its name says "Zoroa", although the romanization says "Zorua"? [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 20:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see why it can't be put there. [[User:Gizamimi Pichu|Gizamimi Pichu]] 20:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Not really notable. {{p|Umbreon}}'s Katakana is phonetically Burakki, while the trademarked romanization is Blacky. It's quite common for the trademarked romanization to be slightly different than the Katakana would be phonetically. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::That's not the same thing though. "Burakki" is the closest Japanese equivalent to the name "Blacky", which us the intended name. The name written as "Burakki" is still pronounced "Blacky" even though the individual kana are pronounced differently. With "Zorua", the syllable "ru" is written with the kana for "ro", for no apparent reason. The only logical reason to do this is if the "rua" part comes from a language where "u" is pronounced "o" to preserve the original language's spelling. The thing us, I can't think of any language where this is the case. Either the name "Zorua" is a typo, or they're intentionally misspelling the name. Unless someone can provide a reasonable name origin that warrants this seemingly erroneous spelling or proof that it is indeed a typo, I think we should mention it in the article.--[[User:Numquam Periit Amor|Numquam Periit Amor]] 04:51, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Don't ask us what their reasoning was. They come up with the names in romaji first, it seems, and then katakanify them. See シェイミ and Shaymin. Romanize that and you get SHEIMI, but repeatedly the romaji has been used as SHAYMIN. Same with レジギガス and REGIGAS, not REJIGIGASU. クラブ is CRAB, not KURABU.
::::Official romanization trumps any and all other romanizations. Period. YONOIR, not YONOWAARU, for ヨノワール. Hey, maybe they thought "ZOROA" looked dumb next to "ZOROARK". Don't ''bother'' with the romanizations. We're not dumb; we KNOW how to romanize katakana at least, something that ''so many damn people don't get''. It's in the ''manual of style'' and has '''''its own section'''''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Protected? ==

{{tt|Why? I guess because people would be eager to put irrelevant speculation on the page, but is that a good enough reason?|HOORAY FOR 5TH GEN!}} --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 00:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:Any speculation would be quickly removed. But really what would people add to the page? Trivia? :/ '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::More like something about it being related to Poochyena/Riolu/Shinx. GV is has been cooking up a lot of speculation, no doubt some will be added if not protected. At Gen1king: yes, you don't know how messed up fan speculation can turn out. It could start off as pretty cool, but then turn into something weird, such as alternate formes due to its appearance being similar to many others and relation to [[Roark]] as Zo[[roark]] has it in its name. Also, speculation happens to articles pretty often and it isn't true, and encyclopedias should have true facts. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Template:Unknown information ==

I made this template to go with new Pokémon articles, don't know if it will be any help.

{{Template:Unknown information}}
- '''[[User:Flex_S|Flex]][[Special:Contributions/Flex_S|__]][[User_talk:Flex_S|S]]''' 04:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

There's an article about Zorua on [[:es:Zorua|Pokéteca]] now, so can someone who has the ability to edit this article add it in? I'd do it myself, but since it's protected... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 05:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::Done. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 07:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks. Also, there's one for [[:es:Zoroark|Zoroark as well]].

:::And before anybody says anything, yes, I know that both articles are far from complete, and probably have some awkward grammar... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 07:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Done. Well we barely have any info so it's bound to have any actual information. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 07:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Zorua (Pokémon)

2010-02-11T17:30:37Z

Bttsstewart: /* Questions, questions, questions. */

Air Lock (Ability)

2010-01-28T20:12:50Z

Bttsstewart:

{{AbilityInfobox
|name=Air Lock
|jname=エアロック
|tmname=Air Lock
|gen=3
|text3=Negates weather effects.
|text4=Eliminates the effects of weather.
}}
'''Air Lock''' (Japanese: '''エアロック''' ''Air Lock'') is an [[ability]] introduced in [[Generation III]]. Rayquaza is the only [[Pokémon]] that has this ability. Rayquaza possessing this ability ties into its mythology of stopping the battle between [[Kyogre]] and [[Groudon]] and stopping their influence on the weather.

==Effect==
===In battle===
Air Lock prevents the effects of all [[Weather conditions|weather effects]].

===Outside of battle===
Air Lock has no effect outside of battle.

===Pokémon Mystery Dungeon===
In {{g|Mystery Dungeon}}, the current weather will be changed to Clear every 36 turns. Air Lock will take precedence over {{a|Drizzle}}, {{a|Drought}}, {{a|Sand Stream}}, and {{a|Snow Warning}}. Additionally, this ability prevents the use of the [[move]]s {{m|Sunny Day}}, {{m|Rain Dance}}, {{m|Hail}}, and {{m|Sandstorm}}.

==Pokémon with Air Lock==
===Single ability===
{{Abilitylist1}}
{{Abilityentry1|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying}}
{{Abilityfooter}}

===Dual ability===
No Pokémon have Air Lock as one of their two abilities.

==See also==
* {{A|Cloud Nine}}

==Other languages==
*Spanish: '''Bucle aire'''
*Italian: '''Riparo'''

[[Category:Abilities]]
[[Category:Abilities with effects on weather conditions]]

[[de:Klimaschutz]]
[[fr:Air Lock]]
[[ja:エアロック]]

Talk:Azure Flute

2009-09-08T01:16:48Z

Bttsstewart: /* Never been used???? */ new section

Say you caught Arceus. Then, for some reason/by mistake, you released it. What would happen if you went to Spear Pillar? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's_Embodiment|contribs]])'' 03:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:There would not be one there b/c there is only one in the games. And please sign your comments.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 06:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Never been used???? ==

I notice this article says it has NEVER been distributed. Is that true? Nobody in the entire world has EVER gotten the Azure Flute legitimately??? What's it there for, then? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

2009-09-08T01:13:49Z

Bttsstewart: /* Battle picture */

{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)

== Question about the talk page thing notice at the top ==

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that talk pages are for discussing the article and its content, not its subject? A lot of what happens on talk pages is discussing content, such as whether or not to delete or add something, something to change, etc. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:You didn't see anything.... *waves hands mysteriously* — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::lol Okay. *mysteriously loses memory of the incorrect wording* What was I complaining about again? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Date announced ==

See [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/special/wallpaper.html this]! It's on September 12. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:I agree! *celebrates* <s>Now, when's it coming out in America...?</s> --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
*It also should be noted that even if Google's translation had the right month the problem is it was too early before the release date was announced. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that Google's (mis)translation had the right month was a coincidence, because the original Japanese text only said "fall 2009." --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Due to this not being added... Once template gets modified, add the following instead of "Story on Bulbanews" ==

<code><nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki></code>--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 13:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

==Pedometer==
Does anyone know if this is an actual pedometer that measures steps you, the human behind the DS, take, or if it's like the pedometer poketch app? It could easily be either, so maybe I'm not alone in thinking it should be given that detail in the article... Or maybe I'm just dumb. :P [[User:Mageslayer|Mageslayer]] 00:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:That last thing. It's a regular pedometer, due to each step you take, the monster deposited gains an EXP point.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== Two edit requests an admin never responded to ==

I put these on the talk page previously (they're archived now), and an admin never responded:

Is it worth mentioning that the New Pokédex (Johto Pokédex) has its own numbering system this time? The numbers weren't displayed in Gen II. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 03:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

<s>[The Wikipedia remake article link in the opening paragraph] currently links [[wp:remake|here]]; it should instead link [[wp:video game remake|here]], as the latter link discusses the type of remake HeartGold and SoulSilver are while the former discusses remakes in general, including unrelated types of remakes such as movie remakes. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 02:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)</s> [An admin took care of this. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)]

Can those be added? --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:#We don;'t know that for sure, it could be the same as the old Johto Dex.
:#I'm no admin, So I can't help on that......--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 22:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::When I said the Johto Pokédex has its own numbering system, I meant that the numbers were displayed. The order's the same from what has been seen (the Pokémon shown have numbers that match up with the Johto numbers on their Bulbapedia pages), it just has numbering this time. In the original games, the New Pokédex didn't display numbers on the list screen, and when you viewed a Pokémon's data, it used the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 23:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's too early to say either way. We don't know for sure that the Johto Dex in HGSS will be the same as it was in Generation II. I sorta doubt Kanto Starters and Legendaries will be put in it, unless there's a way to get them in HGSS..[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::: They were in the original without being available in GS. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::The order and the Pokémon present are irrelevant for what I want to be added. The point of the edit I want to be made is that numbers are displayed on the Johto Pokédex's list in HGSS, unlike in GSC in which it didn't. The point is to add a change that is confirmed to have been made, and that is numbering in the Johto Pokédex's list, with those numbers also being used in the entries, rather than using the National numbering in the Pokémon pages and no numbering at all in the list. Originally numbers were only displayed in the list if the Old Pokédex mode (i.e. Gen II's equivalent of the National Pokédex) was used, and the numbers shown in the screenshots of HGSS's Pokédex are ''not'' the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I went ahead and typed out a suggested edit to the Pokédex changes listed:
<nowiki>* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned; however, just the same, it retains the same [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Pokédex order]] referred to as the "New Pokédex" in [[Generation II]]. However, unlike in Generation II, the numbers used are displayed in the listing and the entries (originally the listing did not display numbering, while the entries displayed the [[National Pokédex]]'s numbering when viewed).</nowiki>{{unsigned|Evice}}

== Grammar fix ==

"These games' will be released in Japan nearly one year after the Japanese release of Pokémon Platinum."

Remove the apostrophe from "games'". --Posted by [[User:Pikamander2|Pikamander2]] [[User Talk:Pikamander2|(Talk)]] at 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus Event ==
[http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/arceus.shtml Source]

If you trade {{p|Arceus}} over to Heart Gold & Soul Silver and take it with you to a specific, currently unknown location, you will meet up with Champion [[Cynthia]]. She will explain that Arceus has the ability to create [[Baby Pokémon|newborn]] Pokémon. You have the option of choosing between the [[Dragon trio|three dragons]], {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, all [[level]] 1. You must choose wisely, however, as you may keep only one.

[[User:050294|050294]] 01:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:We already have this image. Way to look around the Archives before uploading anything. Seriously, good job. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey, I was just trying to help. Besides, the information hasn't even been uploaded to this article, so the additional, HELPFUL information towards this future game isn't a bad thing, and the image was a minor fault on my part. Way to be an ass. -- [[User:050294|050294]] 20:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Way to lose your cool. It's done now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Might I remind everyone that this is for discussing the article. Asking for something to be added is OK. Insulting each other, not so much. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Can someone please add the new information from high quality trailer? ==

The official HG/SS website updated with a higher quality video as many of us already know. Serebii.net just updated with some pictures from the trailer. It shows Morty in the Ecrutek city Gym which appeared to have received a redesign. It also shows an unknown Gym puzzle with lava which many speculate to be the Blackthorn Gym. The trailer also shows that Pokemon following you on the field can use their HM moves to get rid of obstacles. Of many things, Serebii shows a picture of Tyranitar using rock smash in Cainwood City, and some pictures of Gold and Totodile and Soul and Chikorita walking around with Totodile around Violet city and Ecrutek city, and a battle with Typhlosion and Meganium versus Feraligatr and Tyranitar. Tyranitar, Feraligatr, and Mareep sport new front sprites which may or may not be beta. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== "Burned" Tower ==

Could someone please change the link in the Gallery section to Brass Tower, since that's what it's English name is. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:That was what it was called before the fire. It was called the Burned Tower in G/S/C. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::Not to mention that there were no mentions of the name "Brass Tower" in Gold/Silver, only in Crystal...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Burned Tower is Brass Tower, but in the games you can't visit it before it's burned. The Brass Tower name is the same as if, in PMTTYD you called Rogueport the ancient city that the demon destroyed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Put this image in please ==

I found photos of the Red Gyarados from HG/SS. 
[http://i26.tinypic.com/vdwmf.png]
[http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/380/gyarados.jpg]
 
All I need to do now is to upload it here. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:Those are terrible quality. We don't put bad quality pics up...We will wait for clearer pics.--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::Doesn't matter. But what it counts is that I found the images. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it kinda does...All the pics on the page are not bad quality...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The Red Gyarados alone is of mediocre quality, sure. But the other one? That's... ew. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::We can wait for high-quality scans or screenshots. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I got a better image of it. It's here:
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_01.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_02.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/news/images/news03/img_news_03_07.jpg]
::::::[[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

==pokethlon==
why does pokethlon doesn't have any page at all and no one ever put here in this page
:[[Pokéthlon]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hello? Any admins here? Echo! ==

Change "Story on Bulbanews" to <nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki>{{unsigned|Immewnity}}
:I'm not an Administrator, but you should sign your comments.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:: *coughs* This was done a while ago... I just didn't bother to leave a message on the talk page about it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Is this trivia? ==

That HGSS release date is on the 12th and the original gold and silver date was the 21st. In Japan.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:Not realy. [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::Absolutely not. GS came out 11/21/99, HGSS come out on 9/12/09. There's not even trivia for their release compared with the release of FRLG, since neither is consistent with regards to the anniversary, period, let alone to the tenth anniversary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Just wondering. ==

Is the intro show by Pokébeach official. If it is, then in the trivia section should it be mention unlike how FRLG had a remade intro, that HGSS has a new intro. Except the title screen.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

== ummmmmm....just a quick question. ==

does that N/A on the release dates mean it won't be coming out in other countries?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 19:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
*headdesk* --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:No...it means the released date is either not known or not confirmed.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks that's a load off my mind.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:Imagine how fans around the world would react if they didn't release HGSS outside of Japan. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

they would be furious.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:They would all die from shock.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, please stop you guys are going off topic take it somewhere else. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

srry--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:sorry too--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

==All 493 Pokemon Follow The Player?==
I noticed that the article said that all Pokemon follow the player, but so far I haven't noticed any screenshot that showed more than Pokemon from Gen 1 and 2 doing so. What's the source on that ones from Gen3 and 4 do so as well? [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 19:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are pics of {{p|Arceus}} and {{p|Kecleon}} following the characters, The pic of Kecleon is really bad though...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, the Keckleon one is Larvitar. There's a clean version on the [[Walking Pokémon]] page. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh...Maybe it's a different one...Anyways, Arceus is able to follow the player, so it would make sense for a Gen III Poke to follow as well...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm aware, the Kecleon thing was just an error on Serebii's part that became widespread, like the incorrect [[PokéWalker]] name "PokéWalk" (which he did recently correct, thankfully). [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::There probably aren't any screenshots of pokemon other then Gen 1 and 2 because it's a remake of the Gen 2 games, which means most likely no pokemon of later gens until the player beats the elite 4 (unless they include the new evolutions). I don't know about a source, but I can't imagine them making sprites for all the gen 1 and 2 pokemon and then just leaving out the later gens. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 12:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

==Magnet Train==

In the article [[Magnet Train]], there's pic of the train in HG/SS, but it isn't here on the HG/SS page. Maybe an administrator can put it up in the gallery. '''[[User:Timmy Tim|''Timmy'']] [[User talk:Timmy Tim|''Tim'']]''' 06:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, but we'll be fine. We don't need every single image on this particular page. As long as it's somewhere on the pedia, we're happy. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokédex Numbers Aren't the Same ==

According to Serebii.net, released info from the PokéFiesta event in Japan disprove the fact that the Pokédex numbers are the same for the New Pokédex in HGSS:

Growlithe is #129 as opposed to #127, Arcanine is #130 as opposed to #128, and Lapras is #224 as opposed to #219. [[User:Professorsamueloak|Professorsamueloak]] 16:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

He's right, check Serebii and see for yourself. The numbers of those Pokemon are later in the Dex order because they probably added all the evolutions that Generation II Pokemon received in later generations such as Weavile, Honchkrow, Mismagius, and Togekiss. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 20:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. Its' in. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Now that that's done, can soemone fix the fourth bullet point under '''Aesthetic Changes''' and change the last part of the sentence to this: "however, it does not retain the same Pokedex order as the original Generation II games unlike how Firered and Leafgreen retained the same Pokedex order as the original Red and Green." or something to that effect. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done also. Didn't see that. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::You know, Serebii's not the ONLY place to get this news. We were discussing all this on the forums ''yesterday''. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

When I saw what was happening I felt like the reason for the changes was to remove some of the previous Pokémon that aren't needed like the Kanto starters, Legendaries, etc. But as I said on that pages' talk page that there should be no changes until the entire change within the Johto Pokédex is confirmed. Also while I am happy the page has been updated with that change I am unsure the part of the inclusion of Generation IV Pokémon bit is correct. But hey the truth on what will be changed will come out eventually. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 22:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

:Seeing as how they wouldn't restrict getting a Razor Fang or Claw into or even within HGSS, just like you can get Fluffy Tails into Gen IV games by migrating, and also remembering that we have the real-time function, Pokémon like Gliscor and Weavile will be available. Just like Electivire and Magmortar, and the ones that evolve by stones. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 Forum for discusion]. No more here please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto Pokemon Exclusions ==

Is there any evidence for that? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well the starters Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle as well as the fossil Pokémon and Legendaries originally could not be found in Johto during Generation II and could only be transferred with the Time Machine and from what I can notice that these Pokémon, especially the starters and Legendaries would be the most likely Pokémon to exclude first. But once the official numbers have been confirmed for the new Johto Dex then well see if any others are excluded. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:But is there any reason to think that they'll be excluded from Pokedex (not counting assumptions). I think the mention about the assumed exclusions should be deleted from the article. Especially that some people have recently started using Bulbapedia as almost official source, believing in its every word... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Have you also noticed on [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number]] only those Pokémon I mentioned here are the only ones not included there. But anyway the main reason why those 19 would be excluded from the Pokédex is they are rare Pokémon that are never used in another Pokedex in the franchise's game history starting with Gen III, especially if the Hoenn and Sinnoh Regional Dexs are taken into account. I would also suggest that you take this to a forum topic because it is well on it's way to becoming one and I will not post again. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course. Bringing the other article as an evidence for your claim! How genius! And I don't see how it's "becoming a forum topic". I'm talking about a passage IN THIS ARTICLE. If it wasn't mentioned in the article, I wouldn't put that up here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
That is not what I meant the last part of my last post was my response I am not using that article as an official source what I meant about how rare Pokémon not being used in another Pokédex is true. What's more unbelieveable to me is mentioning the new evolutions forms from Generation IV that of course is something I don't believe is going to happen. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Three things:

-Keep to the KANTO EXCLUSIVES. You're starting to get into the last conversation right above this when you talk about the new evolutions, Tyler.

-It isn't a forum conversation. Yet. If a fight starts, then it would be best if it was moved there so that none of us have to see it.

-It's a remake. Saying it won't have Kanto exclusive Pokémon is like saying that there won't be any Johto exclusive Pokémon. And yeah, it could be said that Kanto won't have them because it was an add-on to the main storyline, but remember. Kanto was about a third to half of the whole game, {{tt|time-wise|depending on how long it took you to get through the gyms and E4}}. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorns ==

Yeah, would anyone mind adding that Apricorns are making a return to the Gameplay changes, along with the info that they can be watered now? I mean, that sounds like something that should be up there, especially since their respective Pokéballs don't exist in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo ==

If you go to Filb.de you can see a repeat of the HGSS part of Pokemon Sunday, now I don't understand Japanese, so I'm not sure what she said, but she held up this picture of every legendary available in HGSS, and Mewtwo was included and she read them out, and as she said Mewtwo there was a gasp of shock. Can I add in that Mewtwo is in HGSS? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 19:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone over forums told me that Mt. Quena would be introduced into HG/SS, and that he would be obtainable there, but there is no evidence to support this whatsoever and this could be entirely rumour-based at the moment. However, pokébeach.com says:
"As hinted in the box showing a battle for the 2010 World Championship's video game tournament, Pokemon Sunday yesterday confirmed that Legendary Pokemon will be allowed in the tournament: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina can be on your team. One of the hosts on Pokemon Sunday stated that he has always had a Kyogre but was never able to use it, which means he caught it in Sapphire. If so, Pokemon Sunday may be implying that players can use the above legendaries from any of your games at next year's tournament, not just the Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Dialga, etc. caught in HeartGold and SoulSilver."

So, from that I think it'd be too early to confirm he is obtainable in the game, though some might suggest that this hints towards it. [[User:Antmoney|Antmoney]] 02:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

==Gallery Captions==

Can somebody PLEASE change the "Oh Soul I've been waiting for you" to "Oh GOLD, I've been waiting for you" as it is clearly Gold in the screenshot and not Soul, its been annoying me for ages. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 15:20 11th August 2009

It's supposed to say that. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, lol. I presume Soul enters after he says that then... or something. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 16:02 11th August 2009

:Either it's wrong and somebody needs to change it, or the player character at that time was Soul and Gold was talking to her. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 15:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well, Leaf was one of Red's optional names in Leaf Green, so I'm pretty sure that Soul will be one of Gold's optional names from Soul Silver and that is from Soul Silver. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 15:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::: DO NOT CHANGE IT. His name is Soul in the game, or at least in that screenshot. It says "Utsugi: A Souru-kun kitekureno matte tan dayo!" So his name is Soul (Souru) in that screenshot, though his name is Gold in the original game. It'd be a mistranslation to call him Gold. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Well only admins can change it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 20:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hope admins don't change it incorrectly. xD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 22:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== update ==

the oficial page make an update--[[User:Kyokencl|kyokencl]] 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS US announment ==

Pokemon.com has announced HGSS for the US![[User:Evandeck|Evandeck]] 18:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/pokemonheartgold-1-1.jpg
::It has been announced for Spring 2010 in the US and Europe. Additionally, here are the logos that I pulled off the site. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 19:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Could some1 add the release date for HGSS in the N. America section? And add the logos as well? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Make that a png and transparentify it, then upload to Archives. We'll keep the Japanese boxart up until we get English ones, but this is good. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the stupid question, but when exactly is Spring 2010 ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 12:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Nevermind, i had a mental blank. It's confusing living in the southern hemisphere trying to figure out when spring is in the North, lol.
::What are the chances it will be out in Australia before 2011? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Around March, April, May, and early June in the US next year [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::they are high [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, i've always thought they're terrible releasing the games here, but recently they haven't been too bad. The anime on the other hand... Battle Dimension's only just started airing here. it's a disgrace. I'm looking forward to this game. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
::::It'll probably be released on the same year as the American release, just at a different date (possibly july or August)--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::@TTEchidna: Here are the logos, I split them into two pictures:
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ea/HeartGoldEnglish.png
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/52/SoulSilverEnglish.png
:::::I would put the logos on the page myself but I don't know how :( --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 06:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Centers have a different design... ==

The Pokémon centers have a different design...I watch it in the promo-video of HeartGold and SoulSilver. Yeah. That's what i watched. The Pokémon centers have non-authomatic upstairs. Thanks for hear the higlight --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that too. It's like what they did to the Kanto Centers. But are you sure that there is no non-authomatic upstairs?--[[User:Spritemaster]]

: Yes, there are like the Volkner's gym Upstairs, but the basement upstairs will not be... I'm not sure, but yeah, it have a different design. --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 00:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Aussie release ==
Where it has the predicted release dates, Australia says "N/A". Does this mean the date is unkown, or it will not be released? <nowiki>*Please say "date unknown"*</nowiki> [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:It is not released yet, It hasn't even been released in Japan yet, (it will in a week or so).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::So it will be released in Australia eventually? [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Normally when a game is released in more then one location at different times, and unknown release date is normally listed as N/A. just give it a few weeks or months and it will turn up. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

==US Release==

According to Gamestop, US release is April 1, 2010. http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75774 and http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75770 --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I would wait for a second source and a official source.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 02:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course, games dates are always tentative. :) Although I think this one might be moved up since Platinum was released the same weekend last year, and then the US release was in March. Not only that....4/1/10 is a Thursday... --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone realize the significance of April 1? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::::April fools day? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 03:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides,I wanted to get a game that came out Monday,But Gamestop said it was the next day.Besides If they mught go iin sync with Japan realesse on the 12 and platinum the 13 of the previous year.I hope the relesse it the March 21st,The day before the 1 year aniversity of Platinum.For now Let`s just wait.[[User:LucarioWolf|The AURA Wolf]] 12:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, at the very least, they're taking pre-orders in the U.S. now. Still, we should probably keep the U.S. release as "Spring 2010" until we get a date from an official source. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:GameStop puts placeholder dates for games whose specific release dates aren't known. For example, most of the games announced at E3 2009 were given a placeholder date of January 1, 2010. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorn Balls ==

Apperently apricorn balls cannot be transfered to other Gen IV games but what do you think happens to Pokémon caught in a apricorn ball gets traded to D/P/Pt? [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 14:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

:I think there was something about the apricorn balls data being in d/p a while ago [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 19:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

::Where is the evidence Apricorns will be used to make pokeballs in this game? Serebii had info that they were being used to make something similar to pokeblocks. Is there any evidence they'll make pokeballs too (like int he original game)? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 19:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If Apricorns ''do'' become pokeblock ingredients, then there'll probably another way to get the Poké Balls that they make.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Or, you know, they have two uses. You could use your Enigma Berry as Poffin fuel or you could use it to recover when hit by super-effective damage... Why would the damn things be in if they didn't do what they originally did. That's like putting the S.S. Anne in FRLG and saying "OH NO CUT IS IN PEW PEW PEWTER CITY". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Game Freak tends to use leftover data for stuff in future games, such as how locations new to Platinum appear as "Distant land" in Diamond and Pearl. Similar data will probably make Pokémon caught in a Gen II ball display as being caught in something else (probably a standard Poké Ball), while the balls themselves can't be traded to DPP (similar to how the Griseous Orb can't be traded from Platinum to Diamond and Pearl). Game Freak wouldn't put this stuff in the game if a workaround weren't present in previous games. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I doubt they'll make pokeballs this time around, because it'd be hard to make a work around, and plus there's already so many new pokeballs, we don't really NEED the Kurt exclusive ones. Unless there's data in DPPt already with those pokeballs, i highly doubt they'll be in this game... [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 18:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Um. It's already ''confirmed'' (via CoroCoro scans) that the Apricorn balls are in HGSS. What is not is that whether they can be traded into DPPt. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::We'll Just Have To Wait Unitl The Games Come Out Next Week! [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 18:39, 2 September 2009
:::::::::Yeah... in Japan.[[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::While it also depends on what information is acquired before the U.S. release occurs I expect a few things that Nintendo would put in to deal with this issue between the versions and if so It would be better posted on the Pokéball page than on this page since it would likely be a minor tidbit. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Gym Leader sprite animations are animated. Check the video on pe2k. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I, um, would hope the animations are animated. I'll chuck it in the article though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Would this be a little trivia? ==

That HGSS are being released on the same day as Yellow in Japan?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I just put it in. Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Katone ==

Could someone change all the links on this page from [[Soul (game)]] to [[Kotone (game)]], as thats her offical name? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 02:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Nobody has a bot to do it? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::Did you notice that it has already been changed on this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::The article is protected Tyler. Nothing was changed before ShinyPikachu asked. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I was just responding to Blake, not to ShinyPikachu's message. If it were the other way around I would had posted around ShinyPikachu. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 19:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ah. Gotcha. I didn't realize Blake posted after TTE changed the names. I didn't get anything saying that the page itself was changed, so I thought you were talking to ShinyPikachu. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Messed up link ==

Apricorn case links [[Apricorn Case|here]], it should instead link {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Apricorn Case|here}}. Can someone fix this please? [[User talk:Dolphin2|Dolphins]] [[User:Dolphin2|are]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too) 13:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think it is prefered to use the redirected page links then to link to the main list. It works the same, but the first one is less messy. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Battle picture ==

The pictures shown on the article in the Gallery section are 100% genuine, right? I just noticed that the PokeBall icons that indicate how many Pokemon you have at the beginning of a battle are upside down in the picture captioned "Gold vs. Silver. "The passer-by boy challenged you to a battle!" "
Why are the PokeBalls upside down? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 23:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
: Becuase the balls rotate in-game and the pictures aren't animated. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 23:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::But it's confirmed that that image is beta anyways, since Silver's sprite changed drastically. {{unsigned|Ryuutakeshi}}

I know the pokeballs spin before a battle, but I thought that happened BEFORE the text appeared. But I just checked and they appear as the text appeared. The picture shows is correct so never mind.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon breeding

2009-09-08T00:35:42Z

Bttsstewart: /* Trivia */

'''Pokémon breeding''' is a method of making a new [[Pokémon]] by producing and hatching an {{pkmn|egg}}. In the {{pkmn|anime}}, it also refers to Pokémon grooming and caretaking.

==In the games==
===How to breed===
Pokémon can be bred by leaving two compatible Pokémon at the [[Pokémon Daycare]] in [[Generation II]] and beyond, located on {{rt|34}} in [[Johto]], {{rt|117}} in [[Hoenn]], {{OBP|Four Island|town}} in the [[Sevii Islands]], and [[Solaceon Town]] in [[Sinnoh]]. Two Pokémon are compatible if they are of the same species, or share at least one [[Egg Group]], and are of opposite genders (see below); alternatively, breeding is usually still possible as long as one of them is {{p|Ditto}}. [[Legendary Pokémon]] (excluding {{p|Phione}} and {{p|Manaphy}}), [[baby Pokémon]], {{p|Unown}}, {{p|Nidorina}} and {{p|Nidoqueen}} cannot breed whatsoever. Pokémon with gender unknown (besides the aforementioned legendaries) can only breed with Ditto.

====Receiving the egg====
When there are two compatible Pokémon in the Daycare, for every 256 steps that the player takes, the game will decide whether or not the old man has found an egg, with chances depending on the exact compatibility of the two Pokémon. If there was an egg produced, the old man will be outside ([[Generation II]]), out of line with the fence ([[Generation III]]), or facing the road ([[Generation IV]]). The man will hand the player an {{pkmn|egg}} if he or she replies to his question with "Yes" and has an empty slot in the party, and permanently keep the egg if the player responds "No". If the player selects "Yes" but does not have a spare slot, the man will keep it until the player returns and offer it again. Otherwise, there is no way to refuse the egg and receive it later.

====What will hatch====
After walking around for a while, the egg will hatch into a [[level]] 5 ([[Generation II]] and {{Gen|III}}) or level 1 ([[Generation IV]]) Pokémon of the bottom of the female's evolutionary chain (or the non-Ditto parent).

Examples:

{| align="center" style="background: #{{cute color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{cute color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|Ditto breeding}}
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:474.png]]
| [[Image:132.png]]
| [[Image:137.png]]
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color light}}"
| {{pcolor|Porygon-Z|{{hall color dark}}}}
| {{pcolor|Ditto|{{hall color dark}}}}
| {{pcolor|Porygon|{{hall color dark}}}}
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|Same species breeding}}
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:471.png]]
| [[Image:471.png]]
| [[Image:133.png]]
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color light}}"
| {{pcolor|Glaceon|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|0070f8|♂}}
| {{pcolor|Glaceon|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|e82010|♀}}
| {{pcolor|Eevee|{{hall color dark}}}}
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|Same {{color2|{{tower color dark}}|evolution}} family breeding}}
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:466.png]]
| [[Image:125.png]]
| [[Image:239.png]]
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color light}}"
| {{pcolor|Electivire|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|0070f8|♂}}
| {{pcolor|Electabuzz|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|e82010|♀}}
| {{pcolor|Elekid|{{hall color dark}}}}
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|Same {{color2|{{tower color dark}}|Egg group}} breeding}}
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:398.png]]
| [[Image:468.png]]
| [[Image:175.png]]
|- align=center style="background:#{{hall color light}}"
| {{pcolor|Staraptor|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|0070f8|♂}}
| {{pcolor|Togekiss|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|e82010|♀}}
| {{pcolor|Togepi|{{hall color dark}}}}
|-align=center
! style="background:#{{tower color light}}" colspan="3" | {{color|{{tower color dark}}|''No eggs'' egg group breeding}}
|-align=center style="background:#{{hall color}}"
| [[Image:485.png]]
| [[Image:485.png]]
| '''<sc>None</sc>'''
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{hall color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" | {{pcolor|Heatran|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|0070f8|♂}}
| style="background:#{{hall color light}}" | {{pcolor|Heatran|{{hall color dark}}}}{{color|e82010|♀}}
| style="background:#{{hall color light}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | '''<sc>None</sc>'''
|}

However, there are two pairs of Pokémon species where the male and female are treated as different Pokémon. In these cases, an egg produced by the female species may hatch into either the male or female variant; however, breeding the male species with Ditto will ''not'' produce the female counterpart. The pairs are the following:

*{{p|Nidoran♀}} and {{p|Nidoran♂}}
*{{p|Illumise}} and {{p|Volbeat}}

There are also some Pokémon which will produce variable eggs. The Pokémon that is in these eggs will depend on whether or not the parents [[held item|held]] a certain type of [[incense]] while breeding.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{cute color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 5px solid #{{cute color}}"
|- align=center
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px" colspan="2" | Parents
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}" | Item
! style="background:#{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Offspring
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{hall color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 5px" rowspan="2" | [[Image:315.png]] {{pcolor|Roselia|{{hall color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" rowspan="2" | [[Image:407.png]] {{pcolor|Roserade|{{hall color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | [[File:Bag Rose Incense Sprite.png]] {{color2|{{hall color dark}}|Incense#Rose Incense|Rose Incense}}
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | [[Image:406.png]] {{pcolor|Budew|{{hall color dark}}}}
|- align=center
| style="background:#{{hall color}}" | No Hold Item
| style="background:#{{hall color}}; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 5px" | [[Image:315.png]] {{pcolor|Roselia|{{hall color dark}}}}
|}
Other Pokémon like this include {{p|Wobbuffet}} and {{p|Azumarill}}/{{p|Marill}} in [[Generation III]] and beyond, and {{p|Chimecho}}, {{p|Sudowoodo}}, {{p|Mr. Mime}}, {{p|Chansey}}/{{p|Blissey}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, and {{p|Mantine}} in [[Generation IV]] and beyond. Each requires a different attached incense to breed the baby form.

===Hatching eggs===
The time it takes for eggs to hatch depends on the species. {{p|Magikarp}} is the fastest hatching Pokémon. Some baby fairies, such as {{p|Cleffa}}, {{p|Pichu}} and {{p|Igglybuff}} hatch quickly as well. Besides these, most Pokémon take considerable time to hatch. Rare and powerful Pokémon, like {{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Bagon}}, {{p|Beldum}}, {{p|Larvitar}}, {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Snorlax}}, {{p|Spiritomb}}, {{p|Chansey}} and {{p|Eevee}}, among others, take a long time to hatch.

"Time" is actually determined in steps. For example, a {{p|Gligar}} egg takes 6364 steps to hatch. Therefore, riding a [[bike]] would reduce the egg's actual hatching time by traveling quickly. {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} allow players to use the Mach Bike, which is twice as fast as the Acro Bike. {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} give players a harder time hatching their eggs, however, for there is no "Mach Bike" available. Additionally, in Pokémon Emerald, if any Pokémon with {{a|Flame Body}} or {{a|Magma Armor}} is in the [[party]], it reduces the hatching time by half: A Gligar egg would take only 3282 steps if a {{p|Slugma}} is in the party. This feature became standard in [[Generation IV]].

===Passing moves down===
The [[moves]] obtained by a Pokémon when hatching are as follows:
*The Pokémon will start with any moves that it would learn as a "Start" move in its learnset (In [[Generation II]] and [[Generation III]], they learned all moves that are level 5 and below in their learnset.).
*The Pokémon will start with any moves that it would learn by leveling up only if both parents know the move.
*The Pokémon will start with any [[TM]] or [[HM]] moves (and starting in {{v2|Crystal}}, [[move tutor]] moves) that the father knows and the baby can also learn by machine.
*The Pokémon will start with any [[Egg moves]] that the baby can learn and the father knows.
The moves will take precedence in the order listed, and if there are more than four moves to learn, the moves will start being overwritten much like when leveling up at the Pokémon Daycare.

In {{game|Emerald}} (and subsequently [[Generation IV]]), there is a specific method to produce a {{p|Pichu}} that knows the move {{m|Volt Tackle}}: When breeding a {{p|Pikachu}} or {{p|Raichu}} holding a {{DL|Stat-enhancing item|Light Ball}}, the offspring Pichu will know the move Volt Tackle. It should be noted that the parent need not know the move itself, and is not required to be of any specific gender; however, a male Pikachu or Raichu has to breed either with a female counterpart or with Ditto so that the offspring is, in fact, a Pichu.

===Inheriting stats===
A Pokémon's [[Individual values|Individual Values]] are also passed down. This is determined differently between [[Generation II]] and [[Generation III]] games.

====Generation II====
In Generation II games, the baby inherits its stats from the parent of the opposite gender, unless one parent is Ditto, and in that case it inherits the stats from Ditto. The Defense IV (Individual Value) is passed, and also either the Special IV or the Special IV plus or minus 8 (plus for values in the 0-7 range; minus for values in the 8-15 range); the Special IV has a 50% chance of remaining the same. Attack and Speed IVs are determined entirely at random, whereas HP is determined by the IVs of the other four stats, using the same formula for wild Pokémon. The probability of a Pokémon inheriting ''all'' of its opposite-gender parent's IVs is therefore 1/512.

When determining if two Pokémon are compatible, their egg group is only one criterion. For Pokémon of the same egg group, if the Defense IVs are the same, and either the Special IVs are the same or 8 off, they are incompatible. This is due to the high likelihood of a family relation, hence the inability to breed.

Due to the method used for calculating whether a Pokémon is {{shiny2}} or not, an egg hatched from an alternate colored Pokémon in Generation II has a 1/64 chance of being alternately colored itself. This does not apply with later games, however.

====Generation III====
In {{game|Ruby}}, {{v2|Sapphire}}, {{v2|FireRed}} and {{v2|LeafGreen}}, exactly three of the baby's IVs are inherited from either parent (which is to say that one parent can contribute a number of IVs that ranges from 0 to 3, and its mate will contribute the remaining number of IVs from other stats). The other three are determined at random, in such a way that it is ''possible'' that more of the offspring's IVs will coincide with those of its parents.

In {{game|Emerald}}, the process is similar but more complicated. First, a random IV is passed from one of the parents to the baby. Afterwards, a random IV of any stat other than HP, is inherited from either parent to the baby. If this IV is from the same stat as the first IV (not necessarily the same IV value, depending on whether or not the same parent passed it on), it will override it. Finally, another random IV of any stat other than HP and Defense, is passed from one of the parents to the baby. This IV will override any of the previous two if it is from the same stat. The remaining stats (a number ranging from 3 to 5) are determined at random, again with the possibility of one or more IVs coinciding with those of the parents.

Another change introduced in Emerald is the ability to inherit [[Natures|Nature]], which also influences stats. If the mother (or Ditto) is holding an {{evostone|Everstone}}, the baby has a 50% chance of inheriting that Pokémon's Nature. When breeding a female Pokémon with Ditto, it is Ditto whose Nature has the increased 50% chance of being inherited in case it holds Everstone.

====Generation IV====
Inheriting IVs and Nature in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} is determined in the same way as in {{game|Emerald}}. The only minor exception is in the case of inheriting Nature, which is not influenced by Everstone when breeding two Pokémon that do not originate from games of the same language. However, there is an increased chance of hatching a {{shiny2}} Pokémon when both parents are from different games. This is due to [[Masuda method|special coding written into the game]] by director [[Junichi Masuda]].

==In the anime==
In the {{pkmn|anime}}, Pokémon breeding refers to an entire line of work practiced by [[Pokémon Breeder]]s, such as [[Brock]]. So far, the anime has shown and discussed little about the literal breeding of Pokémon to produce eggs, but it is assumed this is part of a Pokémon Breeder's work. It has been shown that {{pkmn|professor}}s get their [[starter Pokémon]] from breeders who specifically raise and breed them, like [[Old Man Swampy]] from ''[[AG025|A Mudkip Mission]]''. There are also a few farm-like facilities that produce [[Pokémon egg]]s of various species. {{Ash}} received his [[Ash's Phanpy|egg]] from such a location, as did {{an|May}} and her [[May's Eevee|egg]].

Pokémon breeding in the anime focuses heavily on raising healthy Pokémon and keeping them in top condition by grooming them well and feeding them nutritious {{pkmn|food}}.

==Trivia==
*Some aspects and contradictions of breeding in the games have spawned debate and confusion. Pokémon which breed differently depending on whether or not they hold an [[incense]] item, are particularly debated. Most fans perceive the necessity of the Incense items as a mere excuse for the fact that the [[baby Pokémon]] could not be previously obtained. Perhaps also surprisingly, these baby Pokémon have different egg move lists than those of their evolved forms.
*Some unusual pairings of Pokémon can be found within the egg groups, such as {{p|Sandslash}} and {{p|Arbok}}, {{p|Seviper}} and {{p|Zangoose}} (which are even said to be mortal enemies), and the most famous pairing: [[HSOWA|Skitty and Wailord]]. This has led fans to view Pokémon breeding as being quite different from real-life mating. Indeed, the characters in the game make special mention of the fact that no one has seen Pokémon breed.
*One particularly unusual oddity is that {{p|Nidorina}} and {{p|Nidoqueen}} cannot breed, despite the fact that their {{p|Nidoran♀|pre-evolution}} and male counterparts can. If Nidorina and Nidoqueen could breed, it would always produce a Nidoran♀, never a Nidoran♂. The fact that they cannot breed raises the question of where wild Nidoran♀ actually come from.
*Although there is no known way for [[legendary Pokémon]] to be bred, there is evidence that it can occur somehow, since {{pkmn|egg}}s with {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}} and {{p|Moltres}} can be hatched in [[Pokémon Snap]] and a baby {{p|Lugia}} has been seen in the {{pkmn|anime}}. Likewise, {{p|Manaphy}} can be hatched from a special egg from {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. Furthermore, Manaphy is the only legendary Pokémon who can breed with a {{p|Ditto}}. However, the offspring will always be {{p|Phione}}, who doesn't evolve into Manaphy.
*When a Pokémon hatches from an egg during both [[Generation II]] and [[Generation III]], it is at [[level]] 5; however, Pokémon can be found in the [[route]]s around the {{player}}'s hometown that are leveled lower than this, down to level 2. This oddity has been addressed in [[Generation IV]], where all hatched Pokémon started at level 1.
*No negative effects occur from inbreeding Pokémon in [[Generation III]] and [[Generation IV]], despite this being impossible in [[Generation II]] due to data storage methods regarding the [[personality value]].

==External links==
* [http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/breeding_guide_part2 Smogon's detailed guide on breeding and egg-hatching]

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Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

2009-09-07T23:31:26Z

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| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
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==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)

== Question about the talk page thing notice at the top ==

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that talk pages are for discussing the article and its content, not its subject? A lot of what happens on talk pages is discussing content, such as whether or not to delete or add something, something to change, etc. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:You didn't see anything.... *waves hands mysteriously* — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::lol Okay. *mysteriously loses memory of the incorrect wording* What was I complaining about again? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Date announced ==

See [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/special/wallpaper.html this]! It's on September 12. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:I agree! *celebrates* <s>Now, when's it coming out in America...?</s> --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
*It also should be noted that even if Google's translation had the right month the problem is it was too early before the release date was announced. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that Google's (mis)translation had the right month was a coincidence, because the original Japanese text only said "fall 2009." --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Due to this not being added... Once template gets modified, add the following instead of "Story on Bulbanews" ==

<code><nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki></code>--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 13:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

==Pedometer==
Does anyone know if this is an actual pedometer that measures steps you, the human behind the DS, take, or if it's like the pedometer poketch app? It could easily be either, so maybe I'm not alone in thinking it should be given that detail in the article... Or maybe I'm just dumb. :P [[User:Mageslayer|Mageslayer]] 00:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:That last thing. It's a regular pedometer, due to each step you take, the monster deposited gains an EXP point.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

== Two edit requests an admin never responded to ==

I put these on the talk page previously (they're archived now), and an admin never responded:

Is it worth mentioning that the New Pokédex (Johto Pokédex) has its own numbering system this time? The numbers weren't displayed in Gen II. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 03:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

<s>[The Wikipedia remake article link in the opening paragraph] currently links [[wp:remake|here]]; it should instead link [[wp:video game remake|here]], as the latter link discusses the type of remake HeartGold and SoulSilver are while the former discusses remakes in general, including unrelated types of remakes such as movie remakes. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 02:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)</s> [An admin took care of this. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)]

Can those be added? --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

:#We don;'t know that for sure, it could be the same as the old Johto Dex.
:#I'm no admin, So I can't help on that......--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 22:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::When I said the Johto Pokédex has its own numbering system, I meant that the numbers were displayed. The order's the same from what has been seen (the Pokémon shown have numbers that match up with the Johto numbers on their Bulbapedia pages), it just has numbering this time. In the original games, the New Pokédex didn't display numbers on the list screen, and when you viewed a Pokémon's data, it used the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 23:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's too early to say either way. We don't know for sure that the Johto Dex in HGSS will be the same as it was in Generation II. I sorta doubt Kanto Starters and Legendaries will be put in it, unless there's a way to get them in HGSS..[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::: They were in the original without being available in GS. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::The order and the Pokémon present are irrelevant for what I want to be added. The point of the edit I want to be made is that numbers are displayed on the Johto Pokédex's list in HGSS, unlike in GSC in which it didn't. The point is to add a change that is confirmed to have been made, and that is numbering in the Johto Pokédex's list, with those numbers also being used in the entries, rather than using the National numbering in the Pokémon pages and no numbering at all in the list. Originally numbers were only displayed in the list if the Old Pokédex mode (i.e. Gen II's equivalent of the National Pokédex) was used, and the numbers shown in the screenshots of HGSS's Pokédex are ''not'' the National numbering. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I went ahead and typed out a suggested edit to the Pokédex changes listed:
<nowiki>* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned; however, just the same, it retains the same [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Pokédex order]] referred to as the "New Pokédex" in [[Generation II]]. However, unlike in Generation II, the numbers used are displayed in the listing and the entries (originally the listing did not display numbering, while the entries displayed the [[National Pokédex]]'s numbering when viewed).</nowiki>{{unsigned|Evice}}

== Grammar fix ==

"These games' will be released in Japan nearly one year after the Japanese release of Pokémon Platinum."

Remove the apostrophe from "games'". --Posted by [[User:Pikamander2|Pikamander2]] [[User Talk:Pikamander2|(Talk)]] at 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus Event ==
[http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/arceus.shtml Source]

If you trade {{p|Arceus}} over to Heart Gold & Soul Silver and take it with you to a specific, currently unknown location, you will meet up with Champion [[Cynthia]]. She will explain that Arceus has the ability to create [[Baby Pokémon|newborn]] Pokémon. You have the option of choosing between the [[Dragon trio|three dragons]], {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, all [[level]] 1. You must choose wisely, however, as you may keep only one.

[[User:050294|050294]] 01:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:We already have this image. Way to look around the Archives before uploading anything. Seriously, good job. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hey, I was just trying to help. Besides, the information hasn't even been uploaded to this article, so the additional, HELPFUL information towards this future game isn't a bad thing, and the image was a minor fault on my part. Way to be an ass. -- [[User:050294|050294]] 20:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Way to lose your cool. It's done now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Might I remind everyone that this is for discussing the article. Asking for something to be added is OK. Insulting each other, not so much. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Can someone please add the new information from high quality trailer? ==

The official HG/SS website updated with a higher quality video as many of us already know. Serebii.net just updated with some pictures from the trailer. It shows Morty in the Ecrutek city Gym which appeared to have received a redesign. It also shows an unknown Gym puzzle with lava which many speculate to be the Blackthorn Gym. The trailer also shows that Pokemon following you on the field can use their HM moves to get rid of obstacles. Of many things, Serebii shows a picture of Tyranitar using rock smash in Cainwood City, and some pictures of Gold and Totodile and Soul and Chikorita walking around with Totodile around Violet city and Ecrutek city, and a battle with Typhlosion and Meganium versus Feraligatr and Tyranitar. Tyranitar, Feraligatr, and Mareep sport new front sprites which may or may not be beta. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== "Burned" Tower ==

Could someone please change the link in the Gallery section to Brass Tower, since that's what it's English name is. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:That was what it was called before the fire. It was called the Burned Tower in G/S/C. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::Not to mention that there were no mentions of the name "Brass Tower" in Gold/Silver, only in Crystal...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Burned Tower is Brass Tower, but in the games you can't visit it before it's burned. The Brass Tower name is the same as if, in PMTTYD you called Rogueport the ancient city that the demon destroyed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Put this image in please ==

I found photos of the Red Gyarados from HG/SS. 
[http://i26.tinypic.com/vdwmf.png]
[http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/380/gyarados.jpg]
 
All I need to do now is to upload it here. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:Those are terrible quality. We don't put bad quality pics up...We will wait for clearer pics.--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::Doesn't matter. But what it counts is that I found the images. [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 05:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it kinda does...All the pics on the page are not bad quality...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::The Red Gyarados alone is of mediocre quality, sure. But the other one? That's... ew. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::We can wait for high-quality scans or screenshots. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I got a better image of it. It's here:
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_01.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/pokemon/images/img_pokemon_04_02.jpg]
::::::[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/news/images/news03/img_news_03_07.jpg]
::::::[[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

==pokethlon==
why does pokethlon doesn't have any page at all and no one ever put here in this page
:[[Pokéthlon]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hello? Any admins here? Echo! ==

Change "Story on Bulbanews" to <nowiki>{{bulbanews|game}}</nowiki>{{unsigned|Immewnity}}
:I'm not an Administrator, but you should sign your comments.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:: *coughs* This was done a while ago... I just didn't bother to leave a message on the talk page about it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Is this trivia? ==

That HGSS release date is on the 12th and the original gold and silver date was the 21st. In Japan.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:Not realy. [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::Absolutely not. GS came out 11/21/99, HGSS come out on 9/12/09. There's not even trivia for their release compared with the release of FRLG, since neither is consistent with regards to the anniversary, period, let alone to the tenth anniversary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Just wondering. ==

Is the intro show by Pokébeach official. If it is, then in the trivia section should it be mention unlike how FRLG had a remade intro, that HGSS has a new intro. Except the title screen.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

== ummmmmm....just a quick question. ==

does that N/A on the release dates mean it won't be coming out in other countries?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 19:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
*headdesk* --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:No...it means the released date is either not known or not confirmed.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks that's a load off my mind.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:Imagine how fans around the world would react if they didn't release HGSS outside of Japan. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 00:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

they would be furious.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:They would all die from shock.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 00:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, please stop you guys are going off topic take it somewhere else. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

srry--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:sorry too--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

==All 493 Pokemon Follow The Player?==
I noticed that the article said that all Pokemon follow the player, but so far I haven't noticed any screenshot that showed more than Pokemon from Gen 1 and 2 doing so. What's the source on that ones from Gen3 and 4 do so as well? [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 19:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are pics of {{p|Arceus}} and {{p|Kecleon}} following the characters, The pic of Kecleon is really bad though...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, the Keckleon one is Larvitar. There's a clean version on the [[Walking Pokémon]] page. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 19:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh...Maybe it's a different one...Anyways, Arceus is able to follow the player, so it would make sense for a Gen III Poke to follow as well...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm aware, the Kecleon thing was just an error on Serebii's part that became widespread, like the incorrect [[PokéWalker]] name "PokéWalk" (which he did recently correct, thankfully). [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::There probably aren't any screenshots of pokemon other then Gen 1 and 2 because it's a remake of the Gen 2 games, which means most likely no pokemon of later gens until the player beats the elite 4 (unless they include the new evolutions). I don't know about a source, but I can't imagine them making sprites for all the gen 1 and 2 pokemon and then just leaving out the later gens. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 12:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

==Magnet Train==

In the article [[Magnet Train]], there's pic of the train in HG/SS, but it isn't here on the HG/SS page. Maybe an administrator can put it up in the gallery. '''[[User:Timmy Tim|''Timmy'']] [[User talk:Timmy Tim|''Tim'']]''' 06:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, but we'll be fine. We don't need every single image on this particular page. As long as it's somewhere on the pedia, we're happy. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokédex Numbers Aren't the Same ==

According to Serebii.net, released info from the PokéFiesta event in Japan disprove the fact that the Pokédex numbers are the same for the New Pokédex in HGSS:

Growlithe is #129 as opposed to #127, Arcanine is #130 as opposed to #128, and Lapras is #224 as opposed to #219. [[User:Professorsamueloak|Professorsamueloak]] 16:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

He's right, check Serebii and see for yourself. The numbers of those Pokemon are later in the Dex order because they probably added all the evolutions that Generation II Pokemon received in later generations such as Weavile, Honchkrow, Mismagius, and Togekiss. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 20:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. Its' in. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Now that that's done, can soemone fix the fourth bullet point under '''Aesthetic Changes''' and change the last part of the sentence to this: "however, it does not retain the same Pokedex order as the original Generation II games unlike how Firered and Leafgreen retained the same Pokedex order as the original Red and Green." or something to that effect. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done also. Didn't see that. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::You know, Serebii's not the ONLY place to get this news. We were discussing all this on the forums ''yesterday''. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

When I saw what was happening I felt like the reason for the changes was to remove some of the previous Pokémon that aren't needed like the Kanto starters, Legendaries, etc. But as I said on that pages' talk page that there should be no changes until the entire change within the Johto Pokédex is confirmed. Also while I am happy the page has been updated with that change I am unsure the part of the inclusion of Generation IV Pokémon bit is correct. But hey the truth on what will be changed will come out eventually. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 22:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

:Seeing as how they wouldn't restrict getting a Razor Fang or Claw into or even within HGSS, just like you can get Fluffy Tails into Gen IV games by migrating, and also remembering that we have the real-time function, Pokémon like Gliscor and Weavile will be available. Just like Electivire and Magmortar, and the ones that evolve by stones. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 Forum for discusion]. No more here please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto Pokemon Exclusions ==

Is there any evidence for that? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well the starters Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle as well as the fossil Pokémon and Legendaries originally could not be found in Johto during Generation II and could only be transferred with the Time Machine and from what I can notice that these Pokémon, especially the starters and Legendaries would be the most likely Pokémon to exclude first. But once the official numbers have been confirmed for the new Johto Dex then well see if any others are excluded. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:But is there any reason to think that they'll be excluded from Pokedex (not counting assumptions). I think the mention about the assumed exclusions should be deleted from the article. Especially that some people have recently started using Bulbapedia as almost official source, believing in its every word... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Have you also noticed on [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number]] only those Pokémon I mentioned here are the only ones not included there. But anyway the main reason why those 19 would be excluded from the Pokédex is they are rare Pokémon that are never used in another Pokedex in the franchise's game history starting with Gen III, especially if the Hoenn and Sinnoh Regional Dexs are taken into account. I would also suggest that you take this to a forum topic because it is well on it's way to becoming one and I will not post again. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course. Bringing the other article as an evidence for your claim! How genius! And I don't see how it's "becoming a forum topic". I'm talking about a passage IN THIS ARTICLE. If it wasn't mentioned in the article, I wouldn't put that up here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
That is not what I meant the last part of my last post was my response I am not using that article as an official source what I meant about how rare Pokémon not being used in another Pokédex is true. What's more unbelieveable to me is mentioning the new evolutions forms from Generation IV that of course is something I don't believe is going to happen. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:Three things:

-Keep to the KANTO EXCLUSIVES. You're starting to get into the last conversation right above this when you talk about the new evolutions, Tyler.

-It isn't a forum conversation. Yet. If a fight starts, then it would be best if it was moved there so that none of us have to see it.

-It's a remake. Saying it won't have Kanto exclusive Pokémon is like saying that there won't be any Johto exclusive Pokémon. And yeah, it could be said that Kanto won't have them because it was an add-on to the main storyline, but remember. Kanto was about a third to half of the whole game, {{tt|time-wise|depending on how long it took you to get through the gyms and E4}}. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorns ==

Yeah, would anyone mind adding that Apricorns are making a return to the Gameplay changes, along with the info that they can be watered now? I mean, that sounds like something that should be up there, especially since their respective Pokéballs don't exist in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo ==

If you go to Filb.de you can see a repeat of the HGSS part of Pokemon Sunday, now I don't understand Japanese, so I'm not sure what she said, but she held up this picture of every legendary available in HGSS, and Mewtwo was included and she read them out, and as she said Mewtwo there was a gasp of shock. Can I add in that Mewtwo is in HGSS? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 19:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone over forums told me that Mt. Quena would be introduced into HG/SS, and that he would be obtainable there, but there is no evidence to support this whatsoever and this could be entirely rumour-based at the moment. However, pokébeach.com says:
"As hinted in the box showing a battle for the 2010 World Championship's video game tournament, Pokemon Sunday yesterday confirmed that Legendary Pokemon will be allowed in the tournament: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina can be on your team. One of the hosts on Pokemon Sunday stated that he has always had a Kyogre but was never able to use it, which means he caught it in Sapphire. If so, Pokemon Sunday may be implying that players can use the above legendaries from any of your games at next year's tournament, not just the Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Dialga, etc. caught in HeartGold and SoulSilver."

So, from that I think it'd be too early to confirm he is obtainable in the game, though some might suggest that this hints towards it. [[User:Antmoney|Antmoney]] 02:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

==Gallery Captions==

Can somebody PLEASE change the "Oh Soul I've been waiting for you" to "Oh GOLD, I've been waiting for you" as it is clearly Gold in the screenshot and not Soul, its been annoying me for ages. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 15:20 11th August 2009

It's supposed to say that. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, lol. I presume Soul enters after he says that then... or something. [[User:Ripp145|Ripp]] 16:02 11th August 2009

:Either it's wrong and somebody needs to change it, or the player character at that time was Soul and Gold was talking to her. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 15:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::Well, Leaf was one of Red's optional names in Leaf Green, so I'm pretty sure that Soul will be one of Gold's optional names from Soul Silver and that is from Soul Silver. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 15:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::: DO NOT CHANGE IT. His name is Soul in the game, or at least in that screenshot. It says "Utsugi: A Souru-kun kitekureno matte tan dayo!" So his name is Soul (Souru) in that screenshot, though his name is Gold in the original game. It'd be a mistranslation to call him Gold. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Well only admins can change it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 20:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hope admins don't change it incorrectly. xD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 22:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== update ==

the oficial page make an update--[[User:Kyokencl|kyokencl]] 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS US announment ==

Pokemon.com has announced HGSS for the US![[User:Evandeck|Evandeck]] 18:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/pokemonheartgold-1-1.jpg
::It has been announced for Spring 2010 in the US and Europe. Additionally, here are the logos that I pulled off the site. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 19:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Could some1 add the release date for HGSS in the N. America section? And add the logos as well? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Make that a png and transparentify it, then upload to Archives. We'll keep the Japanese boxart up until we get English ones, but this is good. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the stupid question, but when exactly is Spring 2010 ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 12:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Nevermind, i had a mental blank. It's confusing living in the southern hemisphere trying to figure out when spring is in the North, lol.
::What are the chances it will be out in Australia before 2011? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Around March, April, May, and early June in the US next year [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::they are high [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, i've always thought they're terrible releasing the games here, but recently they haven't been too bad. The anime on the other hand... Battle Dimension's only just started airing here. it's a disgrace. I'm looking forward to this game. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
::::It'll probably be released on the same year as the American release, just at a different date (possibly july or August)--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::@TTEchidna: Here are the logos, I split them into two pictures:
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ea/HeartGoldEnglish.png
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/52/SoulSilverEnglish.png
:::::I would put the logos on the page myself but I don't know how :( --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 06:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Centers have a different design... ==

The Pokémon centers have a different design...I watch it in the promo-video of HeartGold and SoulSilver. Yeah. That's what i watched. The Pokémon centers have non-authomatic upstairs. Thanks for hear the higlight --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that too. It's like what they did to the Kanto Centers. But are you sure that there is no non-authomatic upstairs?--[[User:Spritemaster]]

: Yes, there are like the Volkner's gym Upstairs, but the basement upstairs will not be... I'm not sure, but yeah, it have a different design. --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 00:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Aussie release ==
Where it has the predicted release dates, Australia says "N/A". Does this mean the date is unkown, or it will not be released? <nowiki>*Please say "date unknown"*</nowiki> [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:It is not released yet, It hasn't even been released in Japan yet, (it will in a week or so).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::So it will be released in Australia eventually? [[User:Silver Eevee|Silver Eevee]] [[User talk:Silver Eevee|talk?]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|contribs!]] 07:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Normally when a game is released in more then one location at different times, and unknown release date is normally listed as N/A. just give it a few weeks or months and it will turn up. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

==US Release==

According to Gamestop, US release is April 1, 2010. http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75774 and http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75770 --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I would wait for a second source and a official source.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 02:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course, games dates are always tentative. :) Although I think this one might be moved up since Platinum was released the same weekend last year, and then the US release was in March. Not only that....4/1/10 is a Thursday... --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone realize the significance of April 1? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::::April fools day? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 03:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides,I wanted to get a game that came out Monday,But Gamestop said it was the next day.Besides If they mught go iin sync with Japan realesse on the 12 and platinum the 13 of the previous year.I hope the relesse it the March 21st,The day before the 1 year aniversity of Platinum.For now Let`s just wait.[[User:LucarioWolf|The AURA Wolf]] 12:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, at the very least, they're taking pre-orders in the U.S. now. Still, we should probably keep the U.S. release as "Spring 2010" until we get a date from an official source. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:GameStop puts placeholder dates for games whose specific release dates aren't known. For example, most of the games announced at E3 2009 were given a placeholder date of January 1, 2010. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorn Balls ==

Apperently apricorn balls cannot be transfered to other Gen IV games but what do you think happens to Pokémon caught in a apricorn ball gets traded to D/P/Pt? [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 14:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

:I think there was something about the apricorn balls data being in d/p a while ago [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 19:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

::Where is the evidence Apricorns will be used to make pokeballs in this game? Serebii had info that they were being used to make something similar to pokeblocks. Is there any evidence they'll make pokeballs too (like int he original game)? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 19:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If Apricorns ''do'' become pokeblock ingredients, then there'll probably another way to get the Poké Balls that they make.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Or, you know, they have two uses. You could use your Enigma Berry as Poffin fuel or you could use it to recover when hit by super-effective damage... Why would the damn things be in if they didn't do what they originally did. That's like putting the S.S. Anne in FRLG and saying "OH NO CUT IS IN PEW PEW PEWTER CITY". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Game Freak tends to use leftover data for stuff in future games, such as how locations new to Platinum appear as "Distant land" in Diamond and Pearl. Similar data will probably make Pokémon caught in a Gen II ball display as being caught in something else (probably a standard Poké Ball), while the balls themselves can't be traded to DPP (similar to how the Griseous Orb can't be traded from Platinum to Diamond and Pearl). Game Freak wouldn't put this stuff in the game if a workaround weren't present in previous games. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I doubt they'll make pokeballs this time around, because it'd be hard to make a work around, and plus there's already so many new pokeballs, we don't really NEED the Kurt exclusive ones. Unless there's data in DPPt already with those pokeballs, i highly doubt they'll be in this game... [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 18:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Um. It's already ''confirmed'' (via CoroCoro scans) that the Apricorn balls are in HGSS. What is not is that whether they can be traded into DPPt. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::We'll Just Have To Wait Unitl The Games Come Out Next Week! [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 18:39, 2 September 2009
:::::::::Yeah... in Japan.[[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::While it also depends on what information is acquired before the U.S. release occurs I expect a few things that Nintendo would put in to deal with this issue between the versions and if so It would be better posted on the Pokéball page than on this page since it would likely be a minor tidbit. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Gym Leader sprite animations are animated. Check the video on pe2k. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I, um, would hope the animations are animated. I'll chuck it in the article though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Would this be a little trivia? ==

That HGSS are being released on the same day as Yellow in Japan?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I just put it in. Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Katone ==

Could someone change all the links on this page from [[Soul (game)]] to [[Kotone (game)]], as thats her offical name? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 02:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Nobody has a bot to do it? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::Did you notice that it has already been changed on this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

:::The article is protected Tyler. Nothing was changed before ShinyPikachu asked. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I was just responding to Blake, not to ShinyPikachu's message. If it were the other way around I would had posted around ShinyPikachu. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 19:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Messed up link ==

Apricorn case links [[Apricorn Case|here]], it should instead link {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Apricorn Case|here}}. Can someone fix this please? [[User talk:Dolphin2|Dolphins]] [[User:Dolphin2|are]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too) 13:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think it is prefered to use the redirected page links then to link to the main list. It works the same, but the first one is less messy. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Battle picture ==

The pictures shown on the article in the Gallery section are 100% genuine, right? I just noticed that the PokeBall icons that indicate how many Pokemon you have at the beginning of a battle are upside down in the picture captioned "Gold vs. Silver. "The passer-by boy challenged you to a battle!" "
Why are the PokeBalls upside down? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 23:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokéathlon

2009-09-06T06:13:47Z

Bttsstewart: /* Feebas issue */ new section

== Will All Pokémon Be Able To Enter? ==

Will every Pokémon be able to enter these? [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 19:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:I would imagine so, but we don't know for sure yet (and probably won't know until the games come out). [[User:Zesty Cactus|Zesty Cactus]] 19:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:: I can imagine Arceus playing! - [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 19:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== Feebas issue ==

Feebas evolves with maxed out beauty. How will it evolve with the new stats of Speed, power, technique, stamina and jump? Are these in addition to the old Contest stats? If so, that's three sets of stats which is a little bit too much to cram into one Pokemon's profile. The Feebas problem should be mentioned. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 06:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Jigglypuff (Pokémon)

2009-06-04T09:26:43Z

Bttsstewart: /* backwards sprite */

Since a shiny Jigglypuff has green eyes, and a green-eyed Jigglypuff appeared in the anime, doesn't it mean that it was shiny? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
::We should call the green-eyed Jigglypuff in the anime shiny instead of green-eyed because shiny Jigglypuffs have green eyes. [[User:Dolphin2|Dolphins_are_awesome!]] 02:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:I really don't know. After all, it appeared in Kanto, and back then, we didn't even know of shinies. Remember the Pink Butterfree? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

::Here's a thought. Why not put the green eyed Jigglypuff trivia fact in the episode article itself? I mean, even Marina's Little Pink had green eyes similar to the Jigglypuff in Rough, Tough Jigglypuff. Putting that fact in the Jigglypuff Pokémon article isn't exactly fitting there. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::We should add the fact that Jigglypuff was in [[EP072]], and had the same exact attitude as the anime Jigglypuff [[User:ht14|ht14]] 21:59, 18 March 1008 (GMT)

===Romanization===
I think that it's name could be derived from the English word "purring" referring to it [[Sing (move)|singing abilities]].

--[[User:Stinkoman|悪臭の人]][[Image:212MS.gif|75px]] http://www.hrwiki.org/images/3/37/stinkoman20X6normal.PNG 21:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

But in Japanese Pūrin means "pudding" reffering to its gelatinous form

-- Asujoll [[Psychic (type)| the Psychic Master]]

== backwards sprite ==

Should it be noted that its Red/Blue sprite is facing the wrong way, AWAY from the opponent? Or was that a mistake Bulbapedia made? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Someone fixed it. Nvr mind. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Super Smash Bros. ==

The paragraph under Other appearances and for Super Smash Bros. seems to be almost totally unrelated to Super Smash Bros. Perhaps there is a link I am unaware of. Even so, the paragraph has a few grammatical errors and could have been written better alltogether all throughout. Is anyone aware of what the author was trying to say? Also, if this paragraph does indeed have links to Super Smash Bros. melee as the title say, could anyone rewrite this in such a way as to indicate this link exists? {{u|Purdyaw}}

Talk:Shiny Pokémon/Archive 1

2009-06-04T09:23:15Z

Bttsstewart: /* Shiny legendary pokémon? */

> can someone explain the ratio thing with the xor an everything? [[User:Squeela|this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)squeela[[User:Squeela| this S**T will turn your mama white]] 16:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

>In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called "shining" Pokémon.

Yes and no. There's "shining" cards, "crystal" cards, and the new ones that don't have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called "stars" or "shining stars")- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Blackjack Gabbiani|Blackjack Gabbiani]] ([[User talk:Blackjack Gabbiani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackjack Gabbiani|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

:Crystal cards had the same Pokemon coloring as regular ones. "Shining" was the official name and i don't know why people use that crappy "shiny" word... --[[User:AtoMan|AtoMan]] 10:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

>If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It's another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon. To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- {{u|Kenji-girl}}

: If it's not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn't matter if it doesn't match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Technically, yes; "alternately colored" means, technically, it's simply a different color. "Shiny" is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they're Kecleon, simple as it sounds. Not sure how to word it in the article, but it's not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}. This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

==Breeding chance in Gen IV==
Though I haven't found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It's the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it's no longer determined on stats. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]

== Shiny Pokemon ==

Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon's sprite along with it's Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==

I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs. Any objections? Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025. Where did that number come from, anyway?
--[[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I've found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing. 256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536. However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it's possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances. Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia. Hopefully it'll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

<strike>The chance is not 8/65536 (1/8192), but '''8 in 65536''', or '''8/(65536-8)''' (or 1/819'''1'''). That makes the chance 0.0001220852154804053% instead of 0.0001220703125%.</strike> Not much of a difference, but if such an insanely precise percentage is given, it should be accurate. Also the 2-10 isn't right, 8/65536 is 2-13. I'm correcting this both here and on [[Personality value]] --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well if the chance of something is '''1 in 10''' it mathematically IS a 10% chance (which is 1/10. 1in10= 10%= 0.1= 1/10). <strike>You are saying that '''1 in 10''' is 1/(10-1) which simplifies into 1/9 (just like you said 1/(8192-1) simplifies to 1/8191) ) which is 10.11..% (1/9= 10.11..%= 0.11..). 10%≠10.11..%. So ''you'' are also saying that if something is a 1 in 3 chance it is a 1/(3-1) chance (which simplifies to 1/2, 1/2 is 50%--1/3 is 33.33%).</strike> If I have a jar with 3 different colored (red,pink,blue) marbles the chance of getting a pink is 1/3 (33.33%), blue is 1/3 (33.33%), and red is 1/3 (33.33%). All three percents add up to 100% and fractions add up 1 (3/3=1).<strike> If each was 50% like ''you'' were saying it would add up to 150% and 1.5 (3/2=1.5).</strike> And I was gonna round those decimal numbers on those pages, I just forgot. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 22:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
::<strike>Nobody agrees with me?</strike> Wow, I just realized that when I wrote the chance of shininess in the pages (before En-Cu-Kou changed them) that I ''did'' write 2-10 instead of 2-13 (even though I knew it was the latter one) (guess he was right in changing that). [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 19:02, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh man. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry for messing this up. --[[User:En-Cu-Kou|En-Cu-Kou]] 19:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::It's all cool. I crossed out the 'incorrect data' in our comments. [[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Egg? ==
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:In Generation II, there was a sort of "gene" system where a shiny's offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[H012|''Training Daze]]'' was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn't a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.

== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==

Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*You can't get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can't get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Fossils==
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:If by "try enough" you mean "give him enough fossils". I think it's preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it's shiny, soft reset, repeat. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny ditto ==

If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|kittenchild and her discovery]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it'll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]
:No. That's only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I'd get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Starly clock ==
Wasn't the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

So would shiny Noctowl be 光るヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google's translation officially says "lucent". however. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::I wouldn't trust Google's translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Prima guides ==

As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond & Pearl Prima guide mentions ''shiny Pokémon'' and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]]. I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]]. However, how much of the content is "official"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Question for G/S/C ==

...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny '''in Gold and Silver'''? Right now, I'm breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it'd be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shinyness IS passed on thru anything in GSC. 1/64 chance if both parents are shiny, and 1/256 chance if one is shiny.

== question ==

i have a question
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file
am i done for shiny pokémon?

idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o

No, you aren't. It's just hard to find a shiny Pokémon. Remember that there is a very small chance of finding one. -Metagross72
:Math says yes.Out of every 65536 pokemon you see, at least 8 of the m should be shiny[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]
:Shinies evolve into shinies. Maybe you just thought it was. Another thing could be due to the fact that Chansey and Blissey's shiny sprites aren't spectacularly different from the regulars. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Foreign Aid==

"rare colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier"

That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is "Rare Colored Pokemon's Egg can be found little easier." I'm surprised it isn't noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

OH MY GOD YOURE FREAKING RIGHT!!!! I was surfing on the net and then found this videos!! you gotta watch them!!! this is gonna make us all have shiny pokemon in seconds!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for mencioning that, I would never know it!! Thank you!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDM6YTICYdA&feature=Responses&parent_video=cqsch18fnG4&index=1 [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 20:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

==I luv Mathmatics==
Someone help me please... I don't understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:The answer is simple. No. It's a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it's not the ''nature''. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple's evolution, and so on. But they're all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer's ID number, I believe. So there's likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:Only in GS it would have different ("better") stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not really "better", just "specific" stats. It'd have all 10's except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Now that I think about it, shinies in [[Generation II]] aren't all that good. Defense, Speed, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def EVs will be about 10% better, and HP is either average or about 50% worse. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 06:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate Colouration ==

Shouldn't this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Weedle==
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]

== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==

I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny. Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren't hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding chance in Gen II ==

I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:Lucky. I doubt that means the chances are different.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 17:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==

Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?

:Legendary Pokémon have the same rate of being shiny as any other Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:You just have to try a few times until you battle a shiny legendary... well a little more than a few times LOL xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When is the shininess or nonshininess of a legendary decided? When you battle the legendary or before? i.e. if I battle a legendary, lose, turn off the game, whaever, and reload, would there be a chance of it being an alternate color the second time?

It really is not worth trying. Do you have any idea how long you would potentially have to play? You could play for three weeks without sleep of constantly battling the legendary, turning the game off and all that and still not get that shiny legendary. The chace is 1 in 8192....that doesn't mean you can battle it 8191 times and 8192nd one with DEFINATELY be shiny. Its a 1 in 8192 chance every time. Whenever I come across someone with a shiny legendary, it's common sense to assume they hacked it.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

: :( I got a legit Shiny Heatran after 2 hours. It's definitely possible. --12:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]]

I'll take your word for it but when someone battles you, they'll assume it's hacked...That must have taken ages, but you won't get any credit for it. Too bad....:-( [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Kecleon ==

Why is Kecleon mentioned here? Read the Pokédex description. It's perfectly normal for a Kecleon to be any colour, as long as its zigzag is red. It's normal behaviour for a Kecleon. --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Due to body camouflage. The purple one is most certainly not camouflaging. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== Orange Islands ==

Is it worth mentioning the Pokémon from the Orange Islands in the Animé? Some of the Pokémon were coloured (and patterned) differently so would that count? --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not really.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 10:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Do you mean the pink ones? If so, then no, they don't count. They weren't shiny. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 10:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe! They might be referring to the Vileplume and Butterfree in Pokéball Peril--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - I mean the Pokémon at professor Ivy's lab. She said they were different due to the climate or something. This article doesn't just talk about shinies so it seems relevant. --☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆ 22:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remember guys, who makes the rules... THE GAMES! This article exist because of the shiny Pokémon exist in the games, and THEN they existed in the anime. The orange islands Pokémon are not the same as shiny, so it's not relevant to put it in the article. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when? We mention the purple Kecleon yet its not in the games. This doesn't mean "shiny only". It means Pokémon that are a color that they aren't usually. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reliability of sprites? ==

Just an odd question; are the shiny sprites for each Pokémon completely legitimate? I remember when I was younger playing Crystal version I found a red Caterpie, though Caterpie are said to be gold whilst shiny. My friend also tells me she has a maroon Luvdisc, although I don't know how reliable that information is since I've never seen it. [[User:Gabbie|Gabbie]] 00:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:All sprites have been taken from inside the game data (at least the ones which I've uploaded), so I can tell you they're reliable. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can hack games and see the sprites in the roms and each Pokémon only gets one normal sprite and back sprite and one shiny sprite and back sprite and none of the sprites you say exist are in any Pokémon games.Darkmaster0 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The colours could be messed up by a glitch. I've seen a glitched yellow and green Remoraid before, even though they're usually either blue or purple. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 21:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites missing ==

Here are a few facts that surprised me. We don't have shiny sprites for {{p|Goldeen}} or {{p|Torchic}}!

Also, not so surprisingly, we don't have sprites for Shiny Unowns BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!?, but this is understandable, as we have hardly any Unown sprites at all.

Do the sprites not exist or were they simply missed? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

:Not all sprites have been uploaded. It's simply work in progress. You're welcome to help upload missing sprites - I upload some every once in a while... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 19:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Stadium ==

This says they could have "slightly" different colors. xD That made me laugh. The color variations in Stadium and (especially) Stadium 2 could be anywhere from miniscule to OUTRAGEOUS. I swear on Tajiri's grave I had a female Nidoran (actually Spot, from the boy south of Cerulean) who throughout her life looked male on Stadium 2. As a Nidoqueen, this became far worse than ever before, as she became a perfect shade of Nidoking purple with the teal ears, and a lighter creamy pastel teal for her face/torso accents. x3 Spot was awesome, lol. Incidentally, as the same NidoranF could be obtained on any Red or Blue, I tried it with a couple different game paks and never got another with her colors.

Poliwag were another one that was awesome. Typically for me, their skin ranged from teal to bright purple, while their lips could be any color of the rainbow. xD I had two full boxes on Stadium 2 of stored Poliwag just seeing how many different ones I could find. x3 Man, good ol' Stadium, neh? [[User:Heart of Thorns|Heart of Thorns]] 07:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Ahha. I haven't played Stadium in a very long time, but damn do i remember the strange colors some would come out with. I might have had a glitchy game or something, i mean, if i remember rightly i had a yellow-y green Charmander at some point *sighs* Ah, good times. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-Oh Error ==

"The first Pokémon with its official alternate coloration seen was also the first Generation II Pokémon to be seen, a Ho-Oh seen by Ash in the first episode."

This sentence, from the way I read it, seems to claim that the first shiny Pokémon in the anime to match its alternate coloration in the games is the Ho-Oh in the first episode. Correction: Ho-Oh was covered entirely in a golden aura; We have no way of telling whether this is actually an alternate coloration or not. While one could argue that the colors we do see are not the same as its regular colors in-game, the depicted coloration isn't identical to its "official" shiny form either. It's just a Ho-Oh with a fully golden appearance due to the aura surrounding it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

= I agree, There is no evidence that it was 'officially' "alternate colored" (however you Americans spell colour) ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 23:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC))

==Shiny Issue==
There is also a shiny Seaking in the FR/LG Trainer Tower, as shown in another page in Bulbapedia. The problem is, I can't undo the little box around it, and I didn't do anything to add it. Please just remove that, and it'll be good. Thanks,--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 01:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Disregard, it undid it by itself. Or another user helped out, but whatever, it's good now.
:For the record, that happens when you place a space before text:
like so.
[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay,thanks.

Now onto that little Toxicroak Debate.

==Toxicroak Debate==
There was a blue one in Giratina and the Sky Warrior.
And no, it wasn't JUST the filter. It was the Toxicroak's coloration.
[http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/SRkid/Picture3.png]
If you look closely, it is blue.
::Actually, that really looks like the filter. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't really think the filter is causing the Toxicroak to look normal-colored. I seriously believe that, behind the filter, lies an honest-to-goodness normal-coloration Toxicroak. Trust me, I don't think putting a filter of that color over a Toxicroak colored like Saturn's would result in that coloration...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm, it does look like SP252 was right...where is this Toxicroak in the whole movie anyway...? '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that would be the intro. But this doesn't mean that the other Toxicroak are definitely shiny. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well, there's a Torterra there too, and is THAT blue?--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 21:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, this isn't objective proof, however. If the Toxicroak was in a normal appearance, and not floating around under idle showcasing for points unknown, there could be an argument (but no, not really). Instead, I can point out that the color filter does make some of the pokémon look off-color. That Bibarel just before is practially ''rosy'' compared to its normal brown, and Bonsly is a faint gold-green instead of its normal brown (not that I'm saying Toxicroak is affected by this; the difference would have been slighter and not several shades removed). That, and there's no way of saying that neither production teams didn't take liberties: series folk made its normal form with the shiny variation, and movie folk either ignored that or didn't realize and used its normal colors as they should be.

::Again, this isn't proof. At all. You're looking for ordinary coloring in the series. Movies don't cut it to make your argument, since the animation and those behind it are vastly diferent as a whole. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:::First of all, that picture looks like crap. You can't tell anything from it. I saw the perfect quality version of the movie and it still looks like the coloration of Saturns. Shiningpikablu252, give it up already! It's NOT shiny. It's the anime colors, and learn to accept it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

== Alternate coloration or shiny ==

Which is correct? Because by defenition, Alternate coloration means differently colored. Any Pokémon that's not it's original color should be in a page about '''DIFFERENTLY COLORED ''' Pokémon. Shiny is the unaverage coloration of a Pokémon in a Pokémon game, if im not mistaken. I think this page should have a different name (Like "Shiny Pokémon") [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 02:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

: "Alternate Coloration" Is the offical term used in-game. "Shiny" is the fanmade term. In a wiki that's supposed to be informative, the offical term takes precedence over fanmade ones. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::"Shiny" is also an official term :
::http://www.pixenli.com/image1237763589075416100.html [[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] 23:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::See [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_03122009 here].--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 17:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Metagross or Noctowl ==

OK, Instead of having an edit war. Talk about it in the discussion. Its easier and better.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noctowl already has a page; I say Metagross. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::Why does it matter if it 'already had a page'??? It's still the most commonly known shiny, and shows the whole body of the Pokémon, not just the face. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 22:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone can see the {{AP|shiny Noctowl's|Noctowl}} and page see the pic there. We would like to give chance to others that doesn't have their own page, such as shiny Metagross and Donphan. Theryguy also has a point; we should show the whole body, not just the face. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 22:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::We do need a better pic.... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 22:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny egg sent to a different game ==

If Shinyness it determined by personality value and trainer/secret ID what happens if you bred a shiny egg in one game, reset the game to before it hatched and traded to another game. The Pokémon will have a new OT so would the game recalculate it's shinyness based on the new trainer/secret ID or will it remember it was shiny in the other game and therefore hatch shiny? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:It recalculates, since the Shiny condition is determined by the {{tt|OT's|hatching Trainer's}} Trainer & Secret IDs, and then the personality value. While the personality value is determined when the egg is received from the Day Care Man, the other parts of the equation depend on who hatches it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 16:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== {{p|Jigglypuff}}??? ==
Aren't [[Little Pink]] and the {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]] shiny??? They both have green eyes just like their shiny forms.
<gallery perrow=3>
File:Marina.gif|[[Little Pink]]
File:AG138 126.jpeg|The {{p|Jigglypuff}} from [[AG138]]
File:Spr 4d 039 s.png|A shiny {{p|Jigglypuff}}
</gallery>
--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Trivia|It isn't really a unique thing...]]--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still, they're not the normal coloration like {{an|Jigglypuff|a regular Jigglypuff}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== That Table.... ==

I say we update it a bit more, Why don't we add the pictures of the shiny Pokémon in the table? Or will this be a major flop?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do it. Roundycorners as well. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::done. Images need to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 07:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Ditto ==

Will a shiny ditto transform into shiny subjects?

== Mewtwo's Color, and i'm not colorblind ==

In mewtwo's alternate color sprites its green, but my alt color mewtwo is black.
Granted i got it through a brainboy, it still should be green shouldn't it?

I mean i get a pink/purple Celebi and all the other pokemon are what they should be, but why is mewtwo black? Its even black in Stadium II.

So what's up, even if the sprites somehow got messed up, how would it make the stadium mewtwo black as well. Did who ever rip the sprites somehow mess up the colors? [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:For some reason, a shiny Mewtwo appears black in Stadium 2. I've noticed this as well a long time ago. I'm not sure of the reasons though. Color coding problems maybe. Would make interesting trivia though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Its not just stadium though, it was on all three games (G/S/C) for me. Why would it appear on the GBC screen as black as well?

:: I would add that but every time i try to add something, someone usually tries to remove it often playing the speculation card even thought a vast majority of whats on here is left to speculation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Believe me. I had a shiny Mewtwo in GSC through my own stupidity. It's green, Yami. You can't deny game sprites. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm not debating it, I'm just wondering why mine were black on both the GBC screen and stadium 2 in both the 3D stadium and during Gameboy Mode. I'm not sure how we obtained these sprites, but could there have been some corruption either on the ripper of the sprites end. Or is its on my end because i mutated a red gyarados into the mewtwo. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't explain that... I just know that Mewtwo is black in Stadium 2 3D. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::So should we add that little trivia, i mean we have you and me who can vouch for Mewtwo being black in the stadium 2. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I'll do it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike most others, I might know the reason to this. While I don't know how it works in the Generation II games, I know how it works in the Gen III games, and it should hypothetically work in a similar way in the Gen II games. Anyways, due to the data structure in those games, a sprite can oly have accessibility to a certain, preprogrammed combination of 16 colors at a time. Due to this, there are over 1500 (!) combinations of colors possible, for each sprite, and also has the positions of their colors possible. While the data normally gives the Pokémon, upon first encounter, it gives them combination #596, the normal color, with a slight chance of combination #597, the alternate color, appearing. If the game is hacked or cheated to let a Pokémon of another combination appear it will, ofcourse, appear in that color. Hypothetically, it should work in a similar way in the Gen II games. If so, there's a possibility is that they added all thos colors to Stadium to prevent crashing the game if that Pokémon would be sent to it. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Pokémon Lover King Mario}} ([[User talk:Pokémon Lover King Mario|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokémon Lover King Mario|contribs]]) ''

== Mesuda Method ==

I have been seeing things on the web about the "Masuda Method". Supposedly the chance of receiving a shiny pokemon is 1/2048 when you hatch an egg if the parents are from different countries. I have no proof of this, however as it is not on the talk pages yet, I was wondering if anyone here could confirm whether this is true or not. The original post that started this is here http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Link3710}} ([[User talk:Link3710|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Link3710|contribs]]) ''
:We actually have an article about that. I should know, {{tt|I wrote most of it|so if it's wrong let me know - I haven't experienced this for myself}}! It just isn't linked to by anywhere yet.... I'll get to it xD — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:First partner Pokémon/Archive 1

2009-06-04T09:06:57Z

Bttsstewart: /* Shiny Starters */

==Normal Starters==
Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
:Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the "main" games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.
::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Exactly. And that's why we have the "special starters" section. They are starters, but not as much so as the "main game" ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny Starters ==

Is it possible to get a shiny starter? - [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 4:07, 02 August 2007 (GMT)
:Yes, but it's just as rare as seeing one in the wild. --[[User:Fragment|Fragment]] 15:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The chace of obtaining a shiny Pokemon as the starter is 1 in 8192, same as any shiny. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Apparently, Pokémon that stay in the same place are actually more likely to be shiny than wild Pokémon in the grass, sea ect...

That doesn't seem right. Any evidence? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sure it's not right; it's just that trainers will save right before one of the stationary pokemon and restart until it's shiny. [[User:Silvermoonstar3|Silvermoonstar3]] 00:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::It's still the same chance every time, even though it can be considered more likely to get a shiny Charmander than a shiny Octillery. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Uh, I think you'll find that it's a 1 in 8192 chance of being shiny EVERY TIME, regardless of whether it's a starter or not. And even if you do restart the game 8191 times in a row, it won't matter. Same chance every time. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 19:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but you can't restart on every Octillery you find. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 19:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh for God's sake....regardless of restarting the game before you chose a starter or saving before running into a wild Pokemon, your chances of it being shiny will NOT improve. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== To add to Trivia ==

I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.
:Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== To Remove from Trivia ==
"Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type." This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that "usually" is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are "usually" one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type2|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

==Pikachu==

Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?
:Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== Colosseum elemental starters ==

Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat "starter" Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you "you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Obediance ==

I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow "catch" a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia overload? ==

Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

==No editing?==
Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' [[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]] 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

==Gen IV type-trumping==
I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:
*Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape.
*Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type.
*Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types).
[[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]

==Gary's Starter==
Is the statement "it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee" the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''

== Platinum ==

It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. *[[User:Tc26|Tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Exeggcute (Pokémon)

2009-06-04T09:02:29Z

Bttsstewart: /* Multiple eggs? */ new section

==Evolution==
In the '''Special Abilities''' section of this article, it mentions that an [[Exeggcute]] can evolve without a [[Leaf Stone]] if one of the "eggs" separates from the pack and then rejoins. When has this ever occurred? -- [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 20:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

In ''Pikachu's Rescue Adventure'', referenced in the anime section of this article. -- [[User:Ettina|Ettina]] 2:09PM, March 27, 2009

== Barrage ==

I'm pretty sure chancy can learn the move because it uses it in pokemon stadium i'm pretty sure. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 06:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
: I think that was RBY only. Wasn't Barrage a TM then? [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]23:59 Dec. 21, 2008

== TM21: Mega Drain ==

According to this page, Exeggcute can learn Mega Drain via TM21 in generation 1. However, in Red my Exeggcute cannot do so. Anyone have any insight into this?
:It's probably a mistake here, and it does not learn Mega Drain by TM then. Other sites agree with you. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 16:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Inspiration for Exeggcute ==

In the anime Mokke, in episode 12, there were a bunch of spirits trying to stop people from crossing a bridge who strongly resembled Exeggcute. They apparently came from a batch of Hina dolls who'd been abandoned there. It might be that Exeggcute is based on something in Japanese mythology, but I don't know what it's called.
[[User:Ettina|Ettina]] 2:07PM, March 27, 2009

== Crystal ==

In crysttal one of the frames the face dissapears! --[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:it's because they're all spinning around, and why did you sign your comment 5 times [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 19:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

It held and didnt stop for a bit.sorry

== Multiple eggs? ==

So, a Exeggcute is made up of five heads. If an entire group splits up, is the Exeggcute 'dead'? I've read that sometimes one of an Exeggutor's heads will fall off and start fresh as an Exeggcute. So, does this Exeggutor head evolve into a whole Exeggcute after it breaks off? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 09:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-06-03T12:00:37Z

Bttsstewart: /* Kanto? */

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|- align="center"
| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto? ==

Will the Kanto region be accesable? It was in the original Gold and Silver. Will the Kanto region be updated in the same way, such as the volcano erupting on Cinnabar Island and Blaine moving his gym to the Seafoam Islands?
Will HeartGold and SoulSilver be to FireRed and LeafGreen what Gold and Silver was to Red and Blue?
I wonder if there's enough data space on the DS card for two regions. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:We don't know that now, but probably. Remember the thread on the Forums for this kind of talk. --'''[[User:Cat2killer|Catu]] [[User talk:Cat2killer|the Cat]]''' 03:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::I hope that they will make it the way it is in gold and silver (shorter route etc) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Smething about Kanto should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:But we don't know anything about Kanto. We can't add information that doesn't exist. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

True. I meant ad something about speculation over whether KAnto will be included. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:No. ''This'' article is about hard facts, not speculation.
:Just to be clear, we're not shooting down all your ideas to be mean. You just haven't come up with anything relevant to the article yet. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't matter anyway. I just found that it speculates inclusion in HeartGold and SoulSilver on the page for 'Kanto' anyway. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 12:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Console ==

So, will these be on the DS or exclusively on the DSi?? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:The DSi is just a smaller version of the DS, it isn't a different console, except the DSi doesn't have a slot for the GBA games[[User:Darkcloud1111|darkcloud1111]] 03:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::It'll probably be on the DS, but with features unlocked on the DSi (although I have no idea what those would be). --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the DSi will probably unlock features. The camera on the DSi is interactive as it can recognise faces and stuff. Maybe you'll have to climb rocks or something in the game and then have to mime climbing to the camera. Fun to think of the possibilities. I'M SO GETTING HEARTGOLD WHEN IT COMES OUT...;-) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 11:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

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By the way, TTE's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
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==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto? ==

Will the Kanto region be accesable? It was in the original Gold and Silver. Will the Kanto region be updated in the same way, such as the volcano erupting on Cinnabar Island and Blaine moving his gym to the Seafoam Islands?
Will HeartGold and SoulSilver be to FireRed and LeafGreen what Gold and Silver was to Red and Blue?
I wonder if there's enough data space on the DS card for two regions. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:We don't know that now, but probably. Remember the thread on the Forums for this kind of talk. --'''[[User:Cat2killer|Catu]] [[User talk:Cat2killer|the Cat]]''' 03:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::I hope that they will make it the way it is in gold and silver (shorter route etc) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 03:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Smething about Kanto should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:But we don't know anything about Kanto. We can't add information that doesn't exist. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

True. I meant ad something about speculation over whether KAnto will be included. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:No. ''This'' article is about hard facts, not speculation.
:Just to be clear, we're not shooting down all your ideas to be mean. You just haven't come up with anything relevant to the article yet. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

== Console ==

So, will these be on the DS or exclusively on the DSi?? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:The DSi is just a smaller version of the DS, it isn't a different console, except the DSi doesn't have a slot for the GBA games[[User:Darkcloud1111|darkcloud1111]] 03:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::It'll probably be on the DS, but with features unlocked on the DSi (although I have no idea what those would be). --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the DSi will probably unlock features. The camera on the DSi is interactive as it can recognise faces and stuff. Maybe you'll have to climb rocks or something in the game and then have to mime climbing to the camera. Fun to think of the possibilities. I'M SO GETTING HEARTGOLD WHEN IT COMES OUT...;-) [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 11:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Exeggcute (Pokémon)

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==Evolution==
In the '''Special Abilities''' section of this article, it mentions that an [[Exeggcute]] can evolve without a [[Leaf Stone]] if one of the "eggs" separates from the pack and then rejoins. When has this ever occurred? -- [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 20:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

In ''Pikachu's Rescue Adventure'', referenced in the anime section of this article. -- [[User:Ettina|Ettina]] 2:09PM, March 27, 2009

== Barrage ==

I'm pretty sure chancy can learn the move because it uses it in pokemon stadium i'm pretty sure. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 06:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
: I think that was RBY only. Wasn't Barrage a TM then? [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]23:59 Dec. 21, 2008

== TM21: Mega Drain ==

According to this page, Exeggcute can learn Mega Drain via TM21 in generation 1. However, in Red my Exeggcute cannot do so. Anyone have any insight into this?
:It's probably a mistake here, and it does not learn Mega Drain by TM then. Other sites agree with you. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 16:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Inspiration for Exeggcute ==

In the anime Mokke, in episode 12, there were a bunch of spirits trying to stop people from crossing a bridge who strongly resembled Exeggcute. They apparently came from a batch of Hina dolls who'd been abandoned there. It might be that Exeggcute is based on something in Japanese mythology, but I don't know what it's called.
[[User:Ettina|Ettina]] 2:07PM, March 27, 2009

== Crystal ==

In crysttal one of the frames the face dissapears! --[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)--[[User:Riolufan09|Riolu Rule]] 19:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:it's because they're all spinning around, and why did you sign your comment 5 times [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 19:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

It held and didnt stop for a bit.sorry

== Breeding problem ==

How is it possible that that five Exeggcute (sections? Members?) can hatch from one egg? I suppose it's the same problem caused by Chansey hatching from an egg and having an egg in its pouch from birth or Kangaskhan having a baby even though it hatches fully grown. They really should have a Kangkaskhan pre-evolution. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 11:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Nidoran♀ (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNext | type=poison | prevnum=028 | nextnum=030 | prev=Sandslash | next=Nidorina }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Nidoran♀ |
pron=<sc>nee-''door''-''ann''</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=ニドラン♀ |
tmname=Nidoran♀ |
image=029-Artwork-IV.jpg |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=029 |
jdex=095 |
hdex=227 |
typen=1 |
type1=Poison |
type2= |
species=Poison Pin |
height-ftin=1'04" |
height-m=0.4 |
weight-lbs=15.4 |
weight-kg=7.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Poison Point |
ability2=Rivalry |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2=Ground |
eggcycles=20 |
evhp=1 |
expyield=59 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=254 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=235 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=nidoran(f) |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Nidoran♀''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ニドラン♀''' ''Nidoran♀'') is a {{type2|Poison}} Pokémon.

It [[evolve]]s into {{p|Nidorina}} starting at [[level]] 16, who evolves into {{p|Nidoqueen}} via {{stone|Moon Stone}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Nidoran♀ is a small, rabbit-based Pokémon with large ears, whiskers and front teeth. They are covered with small spines primarily on their back which can release potent poisons if Nidoran♀ is threatened. Nidoran♀ doesn't seem to possess any fur, similar to reptiles. Nidoran♀ have a smaller forehead horn than their male counterparts, Nidoran♂.

====Gender differences====
Nidoran♀ is the female of the species, and is noted to be the first Pokémon to denote [[gender]] differences. In the later generations, however, Pokémon with genders are marked with a ♀ or ♂ symbol, rather than being actual different Pokémon.

Compare with {{p|Nidoran♂}}. Note how the male Nidoran has a longer horn and more spines, as well as a different color.

====Special abilities====
Nidoran♀ usually attacks by {{m|Scratch|clawing}} and {{m|Bite|biting}} her foes. She also has the aforementioned ability to {{a|Poison Point|secrete poison from her small spikes}}. Nidoran♀ can also wield a couple of {{t|Ice}} and {{t|Electric}} attacks.

===Behavior===
Nidoran♀ are known to be rather docile and reserved. However, angering one can result in being poisoned by one of its toxic spines. These are thought to have developed to counteract its small size.

All members of the Nido family can sometimes put a stronger effort in battle when faced with a foe of the same gender.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Grassland.gif|right|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Grassland Pokémon|Grassland Pokémon]]]]
Nidoran♀ live in expansive savannas and plains, or any open space.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:EP100.jpg|thumb|right|Nidoran♀ in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
A romance between male and female Nidoran was the focus in ''[[EP100|Wherefore Art Thou, Pokémon?]]''. After the battle with [[Team Rocket]], and after kissing [[Ralph]]'s {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{Oi|Emily}}'s Nidoran♀ [[Evolution|evolved]] into a {{p|Nidorina}}.

===Minor appearances===
Nidoran♀'s debut was in ''[[EP030|Sparks Fly for Magnemite]]'' as a sick Pokémon at a {{g|Center}}.

A differently patterned Nidoran♀ appeared in ''[[EP083|Poké Ball Peril]]''.

It also appeared in ''[[DP071|Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Part One]]''.

A group of Nidoran♀ appeared in ''[[DP109|Leading a Stray!]]''.

==In the manga==
{{Special|Blue}} had a Nidoran♀ in [[Pokémon Special]]. She later evolved into {{p|Nidorina}} and then {{p|Nidoqueen}}. Blue used her in [[Indigo Plateau]] to attract Fisher Wliton's Nidoran♂ and to persuade him to trade his {{p|Butterfree}} for her {{p|Weedle}}; she was stopped by {{Special|Red}}

[[Bill]] had a Nidoran♀ in [[Pokémon Zensho]] that he accidentally merged with in a transporter experiment.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Nidoran♀ (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=poison
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Although small, its venomous barbs render this Pokémon dangerous. The female has smaller horns.
|yellowdex=A mild-mannered Pokémon that does not like to fight. Beware, its small horns secrete venom.
|golddex=The poison hidden in its small horn is extremely potent. Even a tiny scratch can have fatal results.
|stadiumdex=Although small, it should be treated with caution because of its highly toxic thorns. The female has a small horn.
|silverdex=Although not very combative, it will torment its foes with poison spikes if it is threatened in any way.
|crystaldex=Small and very docile, it protects itself with its small, poisonous horn when attacked.
|stadium2dex=The poison hidden in its small horn is extremely potent. Even a tiny scratch can have fatal results.
|rubydex=Nidoran has barbs that secrete a powerful poison. They are thought to have developed as protection for this small-bodied Pokémon. When enraged, it releases a horrible toxin from its horn.
|sapphiredex=Nidoran has barbs that secrete a powerful poison. They are thought to have developed as protection for this small-bodied Pokémon. When enraged, it releases a horrible toxin from its horn.
|emeralddex=Its highly toxic barbs are thought to have developed as protection for this small-bodied Pokémon. When enraged, it releases a horrible toxin from its horn.
|firereddex=Though small, it must be treated with caution because of its powerfully toxic barbs. The female has smaller horns.
|leafgreendex=Although small, its venomous barbs render this Pokémon dangerous. The female has smaller horns.
|diamonddex=While it does not prefer to fight, even one drop of the poison it secretes from its barbs can be fatal.
|pearldex=While it does not prefer to fight, even one drop of the poison it secretes from its barbs can be fatal.
|platinumdex=While it does not prefer to fight, even one drop of the poison it secretes from its barbs can be fatal.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=poison |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Few (Red) Common (Blue) |
rbarea={{rt|22}}, [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
yrarity=Common |
yarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|2}}, {{rtn|9}}, {{rtn|10}}, and {{rtn|22}}, [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
gsrarity=Common |
gsarea=[[Route]]s {{rtn|35}} and {{rtn|36}} |
crarity=Common |
carea={{rt|35}}, [[National Park]] |
gen3ex=frlg |
frlgrarity=Rare (FireRed) Common (LeafGreen) |
frlgarea={{rt|3}}, [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea={{rt|201}} ([[Poké Radar]]) |
ptrarity=Rare |
ptarea={{rt|201}} ([[Poké Radar]]) |
palarea=Field |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=poison
|trozei=Endless Level 28 Forever Level 28 Pair Trozei Mr. Who's Den
|md=[[Thunderwave Cave]] (1F-3F)
|md2=[[Mystifying Forest]] (B1-B13) [[Mystery Jungle]] (B1-B29)
}}

===Held items===

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" align="center"
|- style="background: #{{poison color}};"
! Game
! Items
|-
| {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
| [[TM43]] ({{m|Detect}}) ([[Time Capsule|trade]] from [[Generation I]])
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=55 |
Attack=47 |
Defense=52 |
SpAtk=40 |
SpDef=40 |
Special=40 |
Speed=41 |
type=Poison }}

===Type effectiveness===

{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=poison|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 200 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |

notes=yes|
gen1poison=yes|
oldgrass=½|
oldbug=2}}

===Learnset===
{{Learnset intro|Nidoran♀}}
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|poison|poison|4|1|Nidoran♀}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|7|Tail Whip|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|9|Double Kick|Fighting|Physical|30|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|13|Poison Sting|Poison|Physical|15|100|35|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|19|Fury Swipes|Normal|Physical|18|80|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|21|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|25|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|31|Toxic Spikes|Poison|Status|—|—|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|33|Flatter|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|37|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|43|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|45|Poison Fang|Poison|Physical|50|100|15|Smart|2||'''}}
{{movelist/note|4|poison}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|poison|poison|4|1|Nidoran♀}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1||''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM36]]|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM40]]|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM65]]|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM84]]|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM04]]|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|poison}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|poison|poison|4|1|Nidoran♀}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Sneasel}}, {{p|Weavile}} {{p|Houndour}}, {{p|Houndoom}}|Beat Up|Dark|Physical|10|100|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Snubbull}}, {{p|Granbull}} {{p|Teddiursa}}, {{p|Ursaring}} {{p|Phanpy}}, {{p|Donphan}} {{p|Skitty}}, {{p|Delcatty}} {{p|Pachirisu}} {{p|Buneary}}, {{p|Lopunny}} {{p|Glameow}}, {{p|Purugly}}|Charm|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Slakoth}}, {{p|Vigoroth}}, {{p|Slaking}} {{p|Lucario}}|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Slowpoke}}, {{p|Slowbro}}, {{p|Slowking}} {{p|Lickitung}}, {{p|Lickilicky}}|Disable|Normal|Status|—|80|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Raticate}} {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Nidorino}}, {{p|Nidoking}} {{p|Cubone}}, {{p|Marowak}} {{p|Torchic}}, {{p|Torchic}}, {{p|Blaziken}} {{p|Mankey}}, {{p|Primeape}} {{p|Vigoroth}}, {{p|Slaking}} {{p|Numel}}, {{p|Camerupt}} {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}} {{p|Stunky}}, {{p|Skuntank}}|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Rattata}}, {{p|Raticate}} {{p|Tauros}} {{p|Umbreon}} {{p|Dunsparce}} {{p|Treecko}}, {{p|Grovyle}}, {{p|Sceptile}} {{p|Zangoose}} {{p|Absol}} {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}} {{p|Buizel}}, {{p|Floatzel}}|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Lickitung}}, {{p|Lickilicky}} {{p|Whismur}}, {{p|Loudred}}, {{p|Exploud}}|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, {{p|Venusaur}} {{p|Growlithe}}, {{p|Arcanine}} {{p|Ponyta}}, {{p|Rapidash}} {{p|Seel}}, {{p|Dewgong}} {{p|Rhyhorn}}, {{p|Rhydon}}, {{p|Rhyperior}} {{p|Tauros}} {{p|Eevee}} {{p|Dunsparce}} {{p|Snubbull}}, {{p|Granbull}} {{p|Swinub}}, {{p|Piloswine}}, {{p|Mamoswine}} {{p|Phanpy}}, {{p|Donphan}} {{p|Stantler}} {{p|Mudkip}}, {{p|Marshtomp}}, {{p|Swampert}} {{p|Poochyena}}, {{p|Mightyena}} {{p|Aron}}, {{p|Lairon}}, {{p|Aggron}} {{p|Numel}}, {{p|Camerupt}} {{p|Bidoof}}, {{p|Bibarel}} {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}} {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Bastiodon}} {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Gabite}}, {{p|Garchomp}} {{p|Hippopotas}}, {{p|Hippowdon}}|Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20|Tough|3}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|poison}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|poison|poison|4|1|Nidoran♀}}
{{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Defense Curl|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Cute|2|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3||''|no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes|no|no}}
{{tutor/note|4|poison}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=poison |
ndex=029 |
Pincatch=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=13.3% |
area=Safari |
P1= I'm small but I'm tough! |
P2= I only have half my HP... |
P3= I'm close to fainting... |
PL= I leveled up! I'm so happy! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2% |
iq=C |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2|029|Nidoran♀|1|Poison||[[Level|Level 16]]|030|Nidorina|1|Poison||[[Moon Stone]]|031|Nidoqueen|2|Poison|Ground|}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=poison|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=029|
name=Nidoran♀|
}}

==Trivia==
* Nidoran was the first Pokémon to feature gender, and even gender differences; however, their difference is much greater than later Pokémon.
* Despite the addition of genders in all Pokémon starting in Generation II, the two variations of Nidoran remained separate species, rather than a singular species that splits down different evolution paths based on gender. This is most likely due to the numbering issues it would cause.
* Nidoran♀'s [[alternate coloration]] is based on {{p|Nidoran♂}}'s normal coloration.
* A Nidoran♀ {{pkmn|egg}} has a chance of hatching into a Nidoran♂.
* Nidoran♀ and {{p|Nidorina}} share the same [[species]] name with their male counterparts {{p|Nidoran♂}} and {{p|Nidorino}}. They are all known as Poison Pin Pokémon.
*Due to the fact that its gender ♀ is included in its name, checking Nidoran♀'s summary will display as if it was genderless.

===Origin===
Nidoran♀ appears to be based on a [[wp:rabbit|rabbit]].
====Name origin====
Nidoran♀'s name may be based on the word ''needle''. Alternatively, it may be based on 二 ''ni'', two, or 二度 ''nido'', two times/two degrees, referring to there being two distinct evolutionary lines with similar names and traits. It may also be based on ''{{wp|cnidocyte}}'', a type of venomous cell responsible for the stings delivered by stinging animals, most notably, by jellyfish. The ''♀'' in its name is an indication of its female gender.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Nidoran♀
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Nidoran♀
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 니드런♀ ''Nideuran♀''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 尼多蘭 ''Ní Duo Lán'' - Transliteration of its original name. The character 蘭 in Chinese is a character usually used in female names as opposed to male names as it means {{wp|orchid}}, a type of flower.
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Hong Kong)]]: 尼美蘭 ''Ní Mìi Lán'' - Probably similar to the Taiwanese translation.

==External links==
*[http://aquabunny.creativeworlds.net/ Aqua Bunny], a fan shrine for Nidoran

==Notes==
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{{PokémonPrevNext | type=poison | prevnum=028 | nextnum=030 | prev=Sandslash | next=Nidorina }}
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