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Talk:ROM hack

2011-12-08T16:57:34Z

Brengarrett: /* heh */ new section

==Notable fangames?==
Should some of the more notable hacks be mentioned, or even given their own pages? I'm pretty sure Moe(kko)mon is rather popular right now. [[Image:Ani182MS.gif]]'''[[User:Lime|Lime]]''' → [[User_talk:Lime|♥]]×[[Special:Contributions/Lime|♪]]

:I've got two words for this article. Shiny. Gold. Seriously, I mean, that's probably the most popular GS fanremake there is (..I dunno if there are others out there, lol), and I haven't even heard of the one you just mentioned... hell, I've been thinking of playing through SG because I'm stupid and I never played through Johto .____. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{ani|281}} 17:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
::Shiny Gold should def be in here.  '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== Telefang Wiki? ==

There is a [http://telefang.wikia.com/ growing Wiki that is solely dedicated to the Telefang series], where the first game of the series that was eventually hacked into Pokémon Diamond/Jade. I'm thinking about adding it to this article because it has some useful information ([http://telefang.wikia.com/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Jade including the hacks themselves], as well as information about the series in general), but I'm not going to add it without it being okay with other people because I don't want to look like a spammer. Should I add it here or not?

Also, there's a really informative fansite dedicated to the game as well. Should I add that too? [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 05:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Another GBA Hack Game ==
I saw this hacked game on eBay. It was called "Perla" and it featured Lucario on the box. The picture even included the manual and it had [[Lucas]] on its pages. Probably Diamond/Pearl-based? [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 03:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:proof? id like to see. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:actually, i just did a google search. it does indeed exsist, but there are no game play shots. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

BONG Yes it exists, and it works, i have it! Is it possible to mention it or something? GoldHusky2009 13:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== Legal Issues ==

We really should put up a warning about the legal issues of hacks, if for no reason other than to protect ourselves from being sued --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 04:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:I really don't see any legal issues, aside from the hack carts themselves. Nintendo really doesn't give a damn about hacks or things like that, as long as they're not sold. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 04:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::...and most hackers go out of their way to prevent their hacks from being sold. The people who sell them are pirates.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 04:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== hack pages ==

we have articles on fizzy bubbles and fire blasting magikarp. why not these?
:Please sign your posts. And i don't know D| Don't ask me, Maybe cause theres not that much information on most of them...But maybe they should...Hmmm [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 22:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

sorry[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 22:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:We all make mistakes (; Don't worry about it [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 22:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:It's mainly due to the fact that these games are hacked from ROMs. ROMs are illegal (that whole 24-hour thing is bull****), cartridges containing these hacks are illegal, and we can't have full articles on games that can only be obtained by illegal means.

:Besides, buying hacks on cartridges can provide inconsistent results and their boxes don't always accurately reflect its content. Hacks may have gamebreaking glitches that can render the game incompletable; the Diamond/Jade pair have several such glitches. Additionally, boxes containing the Quartz hack have an E for Everyone rating pasted onto it, yet that hack's content would lend more to an M for Mature for strong language, use of alcohol, and mature sexual themes. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

What about cheating, Mew, Celebi etc...--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Cheating devices are OK to have articles on since, although they're frowned upon, legal copies of the game can be used with them. Additionally, [[Nintendo]] actually lost a lawsuit over the Game Genie, meaning there's nothing outright illegal about their usage.

:These hacks, on the other hand, require an illegal copy of the game to make, play, and distribute. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

woah!!! ALL that? and there are people who dont know its a hack, buy it and get arrested? seems unfair.[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 22:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Law enforcement targets only those that make illegal ROMs and sell illegal games. I highly doubt you'd get arrested for playing Quartz. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

oh.[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

What if someone made a hack game, but gave it out for free? :\ Would that still be illegal? Just wondering [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛
:I don't know about physical copies of it, but most people make ROM Hacks to be played on an emulator, and let people download them. Same with fangames, only minus the emulator.

Hacked games are not necessarily games that are based on main series games. 'Hacked' is just a software term and has nothing to do with illegal measures. Some so-called hacked games are IPS patches for main series ROMs and if these ROMs are illegal then playing a patched version of the ROM will also be illegal. However a game that was hacked together by someone that isn't a patch for a different ROM is not necessarily illegal. Always remember that in many countries possession/receipt of stolen property/goods is a crime, though. [[User:BobzBlobz|BobzBlobz]] 11:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, the patch files are legal, as they don't contain copyrighted materials. However, it is illegal to use the patch file, as you need a ROM to do so, and a ROM is illegal as it violates copyright. The ROM download is illegal because it contains the copyrighted data from the original game. However, this is only true of hacks, and not of bootlegs, which are completely legal as far as I know. [[User:Quadzar|Red is not Ash. (Quadzar)]] 05:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
::Individual Pokémon ''names'' are trademarked, as is the word "Pokémon". If the bootlegs are Pokémon games, or even contain Pokémon, they contain trademarked materials and thus are not legal unless the creator has permisson from the trademark holder. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
:::You have a point. But, doesn't that make it still legal if none of that is mentioned?[[Ash Ketchum|Red]] is [[User Talk:Quadzar|not]] [[Ash Ketchum|Ash.]] [[User:Quadzar|(Quadzar)]] 18:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
::::If it isn't called a Pokemon game, doesn't contain Pokemon and is created from scratch (using even scraps of code from the games would be considered illegal), then it depends on how similar it is to the Pokemon games. If the mechanics are too similar (e.g. replaced everything related to Pokemon with something else but kept the same mechanics) then it could still be considered to be in breach of copyright, and Nintendo could still take action if it thought the mechanics were too similar. So yes, I believe bootleg games would be legal, provided that they aren't Pokemon games, don't contain Pokemon, and don't play too similarly to Pokemon games. In which case they have no place on this article. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Agreed.[[Ash Ketchum|Red]] is [[User Talk:Quadzar|not]] [[Ash Ketchum|Ash.]] [[User:Quadzar|(Quadzar)]] 02:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

== color cartrige ==

I noticed that hack games for GBA don't have colored storage media. I think this is one way to differ them. [[User:Abcboy|abcboy]] 20:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== THREE games called "Pokémon Jade"? ==
When searching for "pokemon jade" on YouTube, I found that there were not one, not two, but THREE different bootleg games called "Pokémon Jade." The most notable one, and the one that everybody talks about, is an Engrish hack of [http://telefang.wikia.com/wiki/Telefang_1 Keitai Denjuu Telefang - Speed Version], and had a counterpart, "Pokémon Diamond" (not to be confused with the one for the DS, but rather a hack of Keitai Denjuu Telefang - Power Version) -- though this is already mentioned in the article anyway. However, I found two other games with the same name. One of them, found [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lyGkQ7JIKg here], is a combination of other fake games -- Pokémon Adventure being one of them, but there were a few other games that this fake is based off of. There was also a video on YouTube a while ago (which is unfortunately gone now) showing a Pokémon Jade for Game Boy ADVANCE -- not Color, but Advance. The video didn't show any footage of the game, just the cartridge and box, but if I remember correctly, the cartridge had the deer thing (Shishigami?) that was also on the cartridge for the Pokémon Jade that was based off Telefang Speed. Anybody know more information about these games? [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 03:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
There is also another jade version in development-Rabla 20:58, 11 October 2008 (AEST)

== To do ==

*Explanation of the legal issues related to ROM hacking and playing ROM hacks. (In theory it can be legal, in practice it almost never is.) Elaboration on patching versus actual ROMs being released.
*Distinction between bootlegs and fan-made hacks. Remove redundancy relating to "oh yeah zel put in an anti-bootleg screen" and "chaos black is known for being bootlegged".
*Some guideline for notability of hacks. There's a new hack announced every other day at Pokecommunity, but how many actually get finished? Next to none. Diamond/Jade are notable. Chaos Black is notable. Prism and Shiny Gold are notable. Moemon? Debatably notable (I had never heard of it, although apparently it made it onto Kotaku). But unless Bulbapedia starts having individual pages on specific hacks, it shouldn't be considered an index of them.
*Page should probably be moved to ROM hacks, as this by far is the more widely used (and more precise) name.
[[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 13:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

:I'll get to work on 1 and 2 tonight. 3 isn't really an issue at the time, as there really aren't any romhacks on here that don't belong, save for the Green translation.[[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 04:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon World Version ==
Should this be mentioned? Ill get a link soon, im using the wii now so i cant.
Pokemon:World Version is a game in develoment. It contains Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Sevii Islands and the Battle Frontier-Hoenn.
Its all done in FR/LG graphics.-Rabla 15:40, 11 October 2008
:Not notable. There's such a glut of Pokemon hacks out there that there'd be no point in describing it. For that matter, there's already a glut of hacks that purport to add all the regions—funnily enough, I don't know of a single one that made any progress beyond the announcement. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Its already in development, heaps of progress. link: http://worldmaster.proboards98.com/ -Rabla
:"Error: You must login to access this forum. Please login below, or register for an account." No thanks. I also repeat my assertion that this will never get finished, just like every other gimmick "all regions" hack. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 07:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::If we listed every single freaking hack ever, we'd be better off linking to PokeCommunity. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]
You obviously did not look at how much they have done-Rabla 18:32, 11 October 2008 (AEST)
:I obviously did. Dude, I am a user of PokeCumminuty. I know that everyone put in a LOT of work into their hacks (while I can't really understand how to hack). I know. But if we allowed all the hacks on Bulbapedia, our server would overload and possibly break down. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]
I agree we shouldnt list every hack game, just the ones that are making much progress, which pokemon:world version is. they are re-doing everything in FR/LG style, and in a short amount of time, they hav made much progress. Hoenn is done except for water routes, and they will be done soon. They even done sinnoh perfectly. Pokemon:World Version has made enough progress to be mentioned. If they stop, just take it off the page. -Rabla 20:53, 11 October 2008 (AEST)
:Look at our nomination for admin pages. If you take a real good look, you'll see that the term "If it doesn't work out, undo it" is not a Bulbapedia policy. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]
::Is "Pokémon World Version" far enough to be played? If so, we should have a group of users test it out to see if it's "worthy" to be added. Obviously, if there are too many
::slip-ups, it shouldn't, but if it runs smoothly and isn't to hard to figure out, we should mention it. And OPTIMATUM, all you have to do is download a ROM editor (I would recommend a map editor) and start working. '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 17:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

==Exact Bootlegs==

I was wondering if we should add a section about the fact that some people take the actual games and not remakes or revisions and bootleg them onto GBA cartridges and sell them over ebay, and amazon under the sold by users section. It happened to me on amazon and I have read other accounts of it happening to other people. One of the common things that happens with these bootlegs is there is compatibility issues when trying to use dongle method or the pal park, as well as the emerald save data being erased when Diamond or Pearl is loaded. Here is another account besides my own to whom it has happened link: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4860767] Pazusalmon

== Green Translation: Notable? ==

I say no. There's no real reason for a mention of a translation of Green to be on here, as Green pretty much is the exact same thing as Blue in the US. Anyone have any reason they want to keep it before I delete it? [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 04:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Multiple Green translations exist, most of low quality. Nothing really individualizes them. They’re no more notable than the Gold translations that came out before the games were released in the US, really. Taking it out now. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 05:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== MOEYMANZ? WTF? ==

I.HAVE.NEVER.HEARD.ABOUT.SUCH.THING.IN.MY.LIFE! And I'm VERY up-to-date with hacks. I've never seen such hack, neither as a ROM or as an illegal catridge. Does it even exist outside of that movie (not to mention that the movie does not show the hack itself, it presents the Pokemon from that)? I bet 100 smackers that it's unnotable. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:And because you've heard of it, it becomes notable? We haven't got videos on any other hacks either, does that make them unnotable? And if it doesn't exist outside of the video, I'd hate to think what people have been downloading into their computers from sites such as [http://www.moemondownload.co.nr/ these] [http://file2upload.net/download/24552/Moemon_English_patched.zip.html two]. And please, lose the attitude Maxim. It gets tiring very quickly. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== Moemon ==

Those are defiantly not cosplayers. Those are [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Gijinka gijinka],they're a type of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemonomimi Kemonomimi]. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]]

== Let's Play? ==

Shouldn't "Zorak" be credited instead of "Let's Play"? Zorak,the Something Awful forums "goon",wrote that's lets play. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Um... Has anybody heard of RubyDestiny? ==
In case nobody knows, there's also a Pokemon Ruby Hack game called RubyDestiny which surprisingly is '''not''' on this page, despite it being a pretty good-looking hack game from what I've seen. - [[User:ElectricArbok|ElectricArbok]] 23:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, and it's really popular too. I say it should go on the page for sure --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 19:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Light Platinum ==

Anyone know Pokemon Light Platinum? Screenshot:

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8/pkmligthplatinum.png

Yes, i know. I understand portuguese, so i can translate those images. {{unsigned|Moonlight umbreon}}
:... never heard of it... but the graphics look kinda generaton3/4-ish [[User:fudgenuggets]] 23:43 15 October 2009
::Looks like Pokémon Ranger background sprites, with DP Pokémon and slightly edited trainer sprites. idk if it exists though. [[User:ShinyPikachu/Petition|Never Give Up]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== Liquid Crystal ==

I realize there's a lot of hack games, but it's an ongoing project and has won the 2008 award for Hacking. It's a hack of FireRed that is based on Crystal, but incorporates new rivals and trainers and apparently will have the Orange Islands once the hack is finished. I'm wonder if it should be noted here maybe? http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=149622/. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 01:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== Non-Hack Fangames ==

Shouldn't Bulbapedia have an article on fangames that are NOT ROM Hacks, but instead have been made in a program such as RPG Maker XP. I know there are a lot of those too, just look over at Pokecommunity. [[User:Sixthhokage1|The Sixth]] 00:27, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why we couldn't but it should probably be a seperate article "fangames" instead of in the rom hacks article ... oh, and they better be notable. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Prism ==

A question. Is Pokémon Prism complete? Because I googled it and only I could find was betas. --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 23:37, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:No, no it is not. If you find the creator's YouTube channel, he's regularly releasing videos of his newest progress... for a certain definition of regular. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

== Moemon ==
What's notable about this hack? It smells like an advertisement to me. I'd delete that. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:The fact that it's one of the most well-known "gimmick" hacks, and that it basically inspired/popularized the whole gijinka-style of Pokémon artwork. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 18:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::it is actually very popular and notable. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:07, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Where? I've never heard of it outside the Bulbapedia. And I know what's going on in the hacking world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 22:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I heard about it before I found it on the Pedia, and I don't know anything about hacks. I had a few friends talking about. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Personally, I think that only the hack which have been largely distributed as bootleg games should be notable. Moemon hasn't. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

==Pokémon Card GB2==
Hey guys, should I put this in the article?
*'''Pokémon Card GB2 Fan Translations'''
*The game [[Pokémon Card GB2: Here Comes Team GR!]] is an official game based off the Pokémon [[TCG]], but it has never received an official translation. A number of fan-made translations of varying quality have thus surfaced
*--[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 04:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

::I think it really deserves.--[[User:Joe feyzullah|Joe feyzullah]] 14:02, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

==Pokémon Acanthite==
There is a game called Pokémon Acanthite that is very well known between hack games. Here is its site: http://pokemonacanthite.com/ should it be included as well? [[User:Lon3wolf|Lon3wolf]] 20:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Naranja==
So after finishing this hack game, i realized that it was definitely the best ive ever played and i would like to make a section of articles about it, but whenever i search it to make a new page with the title Pokemon Naranja i get redirected to the hack page. So how would I make a page with that title? [[User:Sanjayasmypapaya|Sanjayasmypapaya]] April 23, 2010
:New sections go at the bottom, not the top.

:Additionally, I'm sorry, but ROM hacks and other phony Pokémon games are not notable for their own articles no matter how "good" or "popular" they are. That's why you got redirected. If we were to consider one ROM hack notable enough for its own article, we'd have to consider several other ROM hacks notable as well, which in turn would lead to Bulbapedia becoming a huge mess as one would have to sort canon from fanon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:13, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

::Okay. Sorry for the mistake, and thank you. [[User:Sanjayasmypapaya|Sanjayasmypapaya]]

== Other Pokemon Hacks ==

There's a hack of...I believe it's Pokemon Red, or maybe Blue...possibly Yellow...anyway, there's a bootleg called Pokemon Team Rocket Edition. Here's the link: [http://www.vizzed.com/vizzedboard/retro/game.php?id=5072&system=gb&name=Pokemon-TRETeam-Rocket-Edition]
Also, there is another called Ash's Adventures...it's really well done, it follows the first season of Pokemon. Linky: http://www.vizzed.com/vizzedboard/retro/game.php?id=11550&system=gba&name=Pokemon-Ashs-Quest
I just wanna know if these can be added. {{unsigned|LoadOfMentos}}

This site has many of the hacks already on the page [http://wahackpokemon.com/en/], how is it decided which ones are famous enough to put on the page? For example at the moment I'm playing Pokemon Sienna which is a FireRed patch. It has pokemon from the first 3 generations and some new sprites/hacked pokemon. The storyline is also unique in that player choices affect the course of the storyline, e.g. it is advertised on the above website that a player can choose to join Team Rocket. [[User:BobzBlobz|BobzBlobz]] 11:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

== ash gray ==

http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=180722

Should be added IMO {{unsigned|Chimchy}}

== Deletion ==

It is unacceptable to discuss these games on the forums.[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=2471421&postcount=51] In addition, as the page for editing this talk page states, "Content that violates copyright will be deleted". How is it acceptable to cover them on the wiki? --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] 18:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:By covering information on well-known fan-made games in an encyclopedic manner, Bulbapedia should not be breaching copyright. We simply acknowledge that they exist; we are not providing links to them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== This is why... ==

I need to be autoconfirmed already. These people are advertising their own hack games and must be reverted--[[User:Derenol232|Derenol232]] 02:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Please do not make irrelevant comments on talk pages. If something is seen as advertise, one of the users with autoconfirmed and above will take it off. Thanks! --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Creepy Black Version? ==
Should there be anything about this one in here?
Here's a likn to a video describing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iYwMgG8dNs
Or if you can't watch it (for whatever reason) I will breifly explain:
Basically it's Pokemon Red Version. Everything is the same until you first look at your Pokemon. You'll have your starter and a Pokemon named "Ghost". It's sprite is the same as ghosts from Lavender Town. You can't trade it, release it, etc. It only has one move "curse". When you use it, the screen cuts to black and you hear the Pokemon who you're battling's cry, except the pitch is lower. It goes back to the regular battle screen, except the Pokemon is not there. It's implied the Pokemon died. So you go through the entire game. It's pretty much the same as Red. You can use Curse on anyone (except a few people, I forget who). So after you beat it all, it cuts to black. You then see an old person looking at graves in Lavender Town. The old man is apparently your player. You can walk anywhere on the map, except nobody else is around. The Lavender Town theme plays everywhere. You are able to go back to Pallet Town. When you go to your house and stand on the tile that you started on, cut to black. Then every player and their Pokemon you used Curse on appears, one by one. The Lavender Town theme slowly becomes deeper in pitch and slower in speed. Finally, you battle Ghost. You have no Pokemon, cant escape, etc. Finally when you're down to minimal health, Ghost uses Curse, the screen cuts to black, the end. You have to start a new game if you want to play again. Freaky, right? Oh....that was a little more than breifly. Oh Well.

I have also seen a video about an article about this game, however it is believed to be fake. [[User:BobzBlobz|BobzBlobz]] 11:27, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

:'''@BobzBlobz:''' If you believe this is fake, then why not add a section where games are known but not known to be real? Anyway, I believe it's real. If you search it on Google, you will find someone who posted about it and their experiance with it on a website called TinyCartidge. This is the first time people hear of it. --[[User:PeterFoster111|PeterFoster111]] 18:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Sam says: Pokémon Creepy Black Version isn't a Real Pokémon game. Much like it's successor, Pokémon Lost Silver, they are fake Pokémon games created based on a creepypasta in which regards the game itself. Yes, these are indeed hacked games, albiet very known ones, and should be added to the list as soon as possible.
(I'd do it myself, but apparently the page is protected.) {{unsigned|Sam Halcyon}}

==PokéMon Arcoiris Version==
Well i just recently bought a game called Pokémon Arcoris (still dont got it tho, its in mail) and im supprised its not here already. Its pretty cool and you can catch Shadow Lugia, it allows you to be Misty or Ash for characters and your starter is Pikachu. Its based on the orange islands, and is a hack of Emerald/Ruby/Sapphire. MUCH MORE INFO SOON WHEN I GOT IT.[[User:Rsrdaman]]

==Emerald 386 and FireRed Omega?==
Would these two be considered notable? At least on the Nuzlocke forum, they seem to be very popular and well known, and so I was wondering if at least a mention of them could be made on this page. The basic premise of these as I understand them is that all of the Pokémon up to the third generation are included in these games. I'm afraid I don't know much about them, but they seem easy to look up and I was surprised there wasn't a mention of any sort here. I apologize if this isn't the right place. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 18:07, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Uranium ==

Hey, I'm one of the developers for Pokemon Uranium. (I'm the spriter/writer/designer). I just want to make a few corrections: it's NOT a rom hack, it's an RMXP fangame designed to be played on the computer. Here is the [http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=215424 Pokecommunity thread].

There is no "Uranium team," it's just me and ~JV~, the programmer/mapper.

While I appreciate the free hits, I'm not sure whether it should be a part of this page since it's not, technically speaking, a hacked game. I think a section for notable non-hack fangames is a good idea, though, because there are a few which are complete (such as Pokemon Raptor) that deserve some recognition.
[[User:InvoluntaryTwitch|InvoluntaryTwitch]] 03:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

== notability? ==

i don't see how most the games listed here are notable... can we only list all those that are actually sold in illegal cartridges? those should be notable in my opinion... -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 10:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Quartz ==

Can any admin upload the image of the Quartz title screen i just submitted to the ROM hack games page?

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ed/Quartz_Title_Screen.png {{unsigned|Blahblahbloh}}

== Pokemon Lost Silver ==
Has anyone heard of Lost Silver? It's obviously a hack of Pokemon Silver, except that things get creepy... and disturbing. Read about it here: http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Pokemon_Lost_Silver

Consider adding this to the page? --[[User:PeterFoster111|PeterFoster111]] 18:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:The only revision of an actual fan-game of the creepypasta Pokémon Lost Silver I've seen was made with [[wikipedia:Game Maker|Game Maker]] (i.e. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKnCBwsa-bU this]), which wouldn't class as a 'hack', though that was about a year ago since I first watched that. It's increasingly popular but I haven't seen it as an actual hack of a real Pokémon game. Which revision are you referring to? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 15:38, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::The article says at the bottom that this is its own game, not a ROM hack, so I wouldn't count it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

== Wikifang link ==

Could the Wikifang link please be changed to http://wikifang.meowcorp.us ? The Wikia version is deprecated, as noted [http://telefang.wikia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=15197 here.] [[User:RacieB|RacieB]] 18:00, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

== Illegal? ==

Aren't bootlegs and hack games illegal--[[User:Mewmewmanga|Mewmewmanga]] 23:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)♪♫
:They are (for further details on why see [[#hack pages|this section]]. That's why only extremely well known games should have a section on this page, and are not allowed their own page under any circumstances. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:57, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

== heh ==

We should be adding more games, and adding more infomation. Because some of these are really good, like the ruby Destiny series --[[User:Brengarrett|Brengarrett]] 16:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:MissingNo.

2011-11-02T05:39:21Z

Brengarrett:

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==Previous discussion==
[[Talk:Missingno./Archive 1|Archive 1]] (2 October 2005 - 25 October 2009)

==Split==
Missingno. (Red/Blue) and Missingno. (Yellow) are very different from each other. They should be separate pages. Compare [http://www.trsrockin.com/dex_mn.html] and [http://www.trsrockin.com/dex_yellow.html]. Also compare [http://glitchcity.info/glitchdex/RB:115] and [http://glitchcity.info/glitchdex/Y:115]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]] 11:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there a tag for this? Because I can't find one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]] 05:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:No. It's still the same glitch, it just manifests different effects in different games. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::It's really as different as {{p|'M}} and {{p|3TrainerPoké}}, other than the fact that they have the same name. The stats are completely different, Yellow's types are Normal/Glitch whereas RB's types are Bird/Normal, Yellow's Starting moves are Water Gun, Bind, Pay Day whereas RB's starting moves are Water Gun, Water Gun, Sky Attack.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]] 07:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::We count Missingno.'s Yellow version counterpart as an alternate form here. It's the same species. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::But that would make {{p|3TrainerPoké}} an alternate form of {{p|'M}}. The only difference between the relationship of those two, and the relationship of the two Missingno.s is that the Missingno.s have the same name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]] 06:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::And that difference makes all the difference. They're the same species, just as Sandy Cloak and Trash Cloak Wormadam are the same species, or Normal and Defense Deoxys. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 12:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::OK fine, but is there any way to have both Bird/Normal and Normal/999 in the top box? [[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]

==More rumours==
Not mentioned on the rumours page is a theory about missingo's origin and why cubone and marowak seem so similar to kangaskhan. The theory is easy to believe even if it comes from a 4chan post. see [http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs043.snc3/13067_211106843303_637453303_3035423_5482389_n.jpg] for a screencap of the argument. --[[User:Iain7|Iain7]] 23:45, 17 December 2009 (GMT)
:There are quite a few problems with that theory, the first being that its speculation and does not belong on the article. Secondly, I don't think it is that complex or time consuming to delete an evolution. Also, Missingno. is completely unrelated to both Kangaskhan and Cubone. Also, if you look at [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)|the Hex list]], you'll see that Missingno. has multiple index numbers.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 00:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Can Yellow Missingno. replicate 128 of an item? ==

I read somewhere that Missingno. in Yellow can replicate 128 of an item, but elsewhere that it cannot. Which is true? [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 17:46, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:First another question, can Missingno. (in either game) replicate items when encountered using the [[Mew glitch]]? If no, then it cannot. If yes it might be able to. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
::Never mind, found the answer here: http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php/topic,5904.0.html. When encountered through the Mew glitch in any of RBY, it will still duplicate items. However, it will only do so in Yellow if the game doesn't freeze. Apparently it will ''always'' freeze in an emulator since it can't detect the glitchy game code properly, unlike a cartridge which has a small chance of not freezing. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 03:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Name Capitalization ==

Just wondering, why is MissingNo. spelled with a lowercase N in the article? It doesn't make sense. The "No." is obviously meant to be a separate word from "Missing", so it should be capitalized, just like what has been done to many names of moves and items in Generation IV. Now, before you say ''"But it's never been officially spelled like that!"'', it's ''also'' never been officially spelled with ''any'' lowercase letters, just in all capitals, so the current capitalization that you're using can't be considered officially correct, either. "MissingNo." with a capital N is the most logical capitalization, so why not use it? Also, using the current article's capitalization is just encouraging the common mispronunciation ''"Missing-No"'' instead of ''"Missing-Number"'', how it ''should'' be pronounced.
—[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 07:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Based on what you just said, your version of the capitalization is no more correct or incorrect than this one. This one just looks better. And based on the fact that nobody's changed it back in the months since I moved the page to this name indicates that the vast majority of Bulbapedia would agree with me. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Perhaps even MISSINGNO. would be a better location. But for now, this location is fine. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::But although the game refers to the 30 odd variations of these glitches as just "MISSINGNO." that doesn't mean we need to change the article names of Pikachu, Bulbasaur and Mewtwo to PIKACHU, BULBASAUR and MEWTWO either. We are a Pokémon encyclopaedia, not a Pokémon mechanics encyclopaedia. I can confirm though that Nintendo does refer to these glitches as "MissingNO" here [http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/gameboy/trouble_specificgame.jsp] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 12:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't capitalize the Pokémon names because that's not the right way to spell them. They're in all capitals in the main games, but that's just because that's always how been. I'm sure they would have changed the capitalization format for Pokémon names in Generation IV if it weren't the Generation III compatibility (because that would look extremely weird if all the Pokémon you caught in your DS game had proper capitalization, while any Pokémon you migrated from your GBA games would be in all caps). We've seen Pokémon names spelled with correct capitalization in official places outside of the main games themselves, so it's safe to assume that the correct spelling of Pokémon names isn't in all caps. And you could take Nintendo's quotes as evidence, but they contradict themselves in the spelling. First they call it "MissngNO" with a capital "NO" and no period, and then they call "MissingNo", with the O being lowercase and still no period. Obviously, there's supposed to be a period in its name, so Nintendo's spellings of the name in that particular instance can't be correct. But even if it's not 100% correct, it does provide evidence that "Missing" is separate from "No." and should be capitalized to show that. Think of how some items and moves are spelled in Generation IV that were previously in all caps. SquirtBottle, SolarBeam, DynamicPunch, etc. It's just the most logical way to spell the name. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 15:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, a lot of things do use the camelcase to separate two words, but then [[Pokéwalker]] and [[Pokédex]] come up (there are other examples, but that's off the top of my head). Anyway, we won't be calling it MissingNO., but the rule here is that allcaps in the games goes to Proper noun. But when we're quoting the game we keep the original case (as seen in the Pokédex entries). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Pokéwalker and Pokédex are made up words, though. They're not two separate words fused together, like Missing and Number. "Missingno." just looks plain weird. It just looks better when written as "MissingNo.", and it implies that it's "Missing Number", ''not'' "Missingno". —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 05:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Pokéwalker is more two words than Pokédex, but you also have [[Pokégear]]. Anyway, allcaps in the games goes to Proper noun unless otherwise specified. And to me, MissingNo. looks much weirder than Missingno., plus saying that a word looks funny is no excuse. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
(resetting indent) But the "Poké" in those words isn't a ''real'' word. Typically, words that being with "Poké" just flow together as a brand new word, without any capitalization other than the "P", like ''Pokémon'', ''Pokédex'', etc. Either that, or the "Poké" is a separate word and is followed by a space, in the case of ''Poké Ball'', etc. But anyway, yes, I know that we can't change the spelling based on opinion, which is why I gave another reason; spelling it "MissingNo." implies that it's "Missing Number", ''not'' "Missingno", as many people think it is. That, and the fact that Nintendo has spelled it "MissingNO" and "MissingNo", in both cases capitalizing the "No." part. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 14:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:The Nintendo part does however seem unreliable due to the inconsistencies as well as lack of period after MissingNO and MissingNo. This discussion will not be enough to move a page on such a well known topic, especially a featured article, but since an official source decided to separate the two with camelcase, it should be moved. I suggest you take it to the editorial board to see what they think about it. But I do agree with you that "MISSING" and "NO." are separate and that "NO." clearly stands for number, it may not be appropriate to assume that it should be separated by camelcase. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe we could have some sort of community poll? —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 01:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia is not a democracy. It's a policy somewhere. Anyway, you can make a poll and have people say why they think so, then the EB will review it and decide from their. I have made one below --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

==Moving==
Sign and say why you think it should be moved, kept here. If you vote "move it somewhere else" say where you want it moved to.
===Keep it at [[Missingno.]]===
*Nintendo hates Missingno., so their capitalization of it can hardly be called official. Besides, I think they just spell it "MissingNO." to emphasize the word "no" to subconsciously deter us from abusing the glitch. Plus, it'd look really weird that way. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 19:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
*Yeah, I agree, Nintendo can't be trusted in this case. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:48, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
*Me too. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|TORTERRA}} ([[User talk:TORTERRA|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TORTERRA|contribs]]) ''
*I agree. Nintendo didn't intend for it to be there, so it isn't really an official source. It just wants to get rid of it. Also, I've seen Missingno. used way more. Another thing, please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.[[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
*the no stands for number[[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 01:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
*Agreed --[[User:Veggieman|veggieman]] [[User talk:Veggieman|(leave a message after the click?)]] 22:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
*I think MissingNo or MissingNO or whatever looks weird. I say keep it.--'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 19:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

*Here are my thoughts on the matter ''(and I apologize for the length; go to the bottom for the TL;DR version)'':
:* First of all, Missingno.'s only TRUE official name is "MISSINGNO.", and thus both fan-created lower-cased names--"Missingno." and "MissingNo."--are technically incorrect. As such, if the article MUST be moved, it should be moved to "MISSINGNO." versus "MissingNo."
:* Furthermore, "Missingno." has since become this glitch's proper name to mostly everyone, versus being completely understood to be the abbreviation of "Missing Number" ''(just as "Feraligatr" is understood to be "Ferali-gator" and not "Ferali-gatt-are")''. That is to say, I don't think I've EVER heard anyone refer to it as "Missing Number" but rather as "missing-know". But while I'll admit I haven't heard EVERYONE, even "MissingNo."'s supporters aren't referring to it as "Missing Number" but "MissingNo.", which I feel supports the idea that "Missing-know" has become its proper name.
:* Also consider that spelling it "Missingno." has precedent with other Pokémon names, such as Nidoking, Feraligatr and Farfetch'd, which are referred to by those names, versus by what is "obviously" their "real" names: "Nido King"/"NidoKing", "Feraligator" and "Farfetched"/"Far Fetch'd"/"FarFetched"/etc. The thing is, despite their names being based on two words and/or abbreviated for whatever reason (complete with punctuations), we accept those "incorrect" names as the PROPER NAMES for those Pokémon and spell them with only the first letter capitalized.
:: As such, MISSINGNO.'s proper name is NOT the phrase "Missing Number", it is simply "Missingno.". And just like the apostrophe in Farfecth'd's name which is now part of its identity and not to denote that its "real" name is "Farfetched", the period in Missingno.'s name is likewise simply part of its identity, versus used to denote an abbreviation. ''(Er, well, Missingno.'s name was definitely based on "missing number", just as Farfetch'd's name was based on "far fetched"... I'm not saying that it is. However, it doesn't MEAN "missing number", just as Farfetch'd's name doesn't mean " far fetched", and no one refers to Farfetch'd as "Far Fetched".)''
:* '''TL;DR:''' Missingno.'s ''proper name'' IS 'Missingno." and not "Missing Number" (especially considering few people actually refer to it as "Missing Numver"). Therefore, the article should remain at "Missingno.". But if it MUST be moved, then it should be moved to "MISSINGNO.", which is its true and official name.
:* I hope this adds to the debate, and I expect the Bulbapedia staff to make the best decision..... which is to leave the article as it. :3 -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 19:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I think MISSINGNO. is certainly a decent option, but the reason this has been brought up is the fact that "MissingNo." is not a fan name. The [http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/gameboy/trouble_specificgame.jsp#missingno only official use] of its name capitalized the "N" in all uses, while "issing" was always lowercase. 3/4 usages capitalized the "O", but the fandom uses "MissingNo.", never "MissingNO." (so there is a fan-generated aspect to it). MissingNo. was more common in the fandom, but since we moved it to Missingno., ''we'' influenced the fandom, making "Missingno." fall into more common usage. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:* MissingNo. is not the way to spell it. As someone else said, we have Nidoking, but has anyone ever debated that it is spelled NidoKing? Of course not. This is the main reason I believe this should stay as Missingno. ~ [[User:mpgiii|mpgiii]]
::We also have {{p|Ho-Oh}}. Just because one thing isn't doesn't mean nothing else is. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

===Move it to [[MissingNo.]]===
[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC) - Nintendo has officially referred to it with a capital "n" in every case, despite other inconsistencies, also stands for Missing Number.

I agree with what many others have said: MissingNo. is a reference to "Missing Number." To have it written in the current format of Missingno. suggests that it is a word of its own or a single word, rather than a contraction of the two words, "Missing Number." Also, Nintendo has officially referred to it as MissingNO. Besides, it's a matter of basic English more than anything else; considering the fact that Nintendo doesn't really consider this an official Pokemon, we can't really go to them for the way it should be written, nor can we competently search for sources on the matter.--[[User:Aureol|Aureol]] 07:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 22:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC) - I'm all for the move, as I have stated [[Talk:Missingno.#Name_Capitalization|here]].

I agree with Aureol. What else is No. supposed to be? --[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 22:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:But Missingno. IS a word of its own- the name of a Pokémon. Beedrill is made up of the words bee and drill, and yet we don't spell it BeeDrill. Besides, how do we do this with anything else? We spell it with just the first letter capitalized until OFFICIAL AND RELIABLE sources contradict this! The garbage source SnorlaxMonster gives us means nothing, as it also says that capturing Missingno. is harmful to your game and to fix the graphic scrambling, you have to release Missingno., and if that doesn't work, to restart your game! Bull****! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Beedrill is a name that is always spelt Beedrill by official sources (or BEEDRILL on other occasions). Some Pokémon like Ho-Oh are capitalised mid-name, because that's what their names are. All official sources use a capital N; there are NO official sources that use "Missingno.", or anything that is closer to "Missingno." than to "MissingNo.". Regardless of reliability, it is all we have, so it's what we use. If Nintendo/Game Freak/The Pokémon Company International came out and spelled MISSINGNO. differently, we would use that.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree it should be moved to MissingNo. based on spellings from official sources.--[[User:Nintenfreak|Nintenfreak]] 02:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:Have you not been paying attention? There IS no official source. Closest thing we have is one page where it's capitalized 2 different ways! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 10:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe you haven't been paying attention. It's OFFICIAL, but not overly RELIABLE; however, more reliable than nothing at all (which is the official sources for its current location).--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::"Not overly reliable" is an understatement. It has two different capitalizations on the same friggin' page! And which of those are you considering for this page, anyway? MissingNo or MissingNO? They don't even add the period at the end, which is undeniably part of the name, in either instance. They don't even spell the name correctly, and you want to use one of their two contradiction capitalizations as Missingno.'s official name? I don't think so. And SnorlaxMonster, why are you all of a sudden so for the move? In the section above, you spoke ''against'' the move. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I was against the move before, but I changed my mind and saw that it was more reasonable to go by official sources than to assume. Sure they don't use the period at the end of the name, but I'm not suggesting we move it. I suggesting that we go by the ONLY official source there is. There is no reason to leave it at Missingno. when we have a source (and Wikipedia) spelling it MissingNo. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::We're going by a source that contradicts itself by using two different capitalizations.... and Wikipedia? The same Wikipedia that decided that not all Pokémon were notable enough for their own articles? The same Wikipedia that some bum off the street can edit? The same Wikipedia that once claimed that Woodrow Wilson invented dental floss, for several consecutive months? ''THAT'' Wikipedia??? Not to mention, your source also claims that the only way to fix the glitched graphics Missingno. sometimes causes is to release it, and if that fails, to restart the game. Says absolutely nothing about looking at another Pokémon's stats. So let's see... Your basis for moving the page is, number one, a source that offers two different capitalizations of the name, which are, for all intents and purposes, misspelled in every instance, and gives false information on how to fix the glitched graphics, and number two, an online encyclopedia that any old bum off the street can come in and edit. When I was in high school, they NEVER allowed us to use Wikipedia as a source for reports. They were always very specific about that. And that source? It's like trusting a small-time fansite that's "revealing" a trick to obtain Pikablu or some PokéGod. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:Per nom [[User:Missingno000|欠]][[User talk:Missingno000|番]] 14:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree that "Missingno." should be moved to "MissingNo.". A lot of things about this issue were talked, in addition to those things I'd like to add this: some people would said it should be better to move it to "Missing No." because the name doesn't has separation because of the 10 chars space... But... Nintendo wrote MissingNo and MissingNO without the dot, what gave them the chance to write it with the space between Missing and No, but they choose not to do this, that is clearly a way to show us there's no such space separation. They predicted we would discuss MissingNo. name right now and left a hidden message to us: "there's no separation, look here, even with the space left of the dot we haven't wrote it separated!" ;) AND MORE: one time they wrote it MissingNo and just after it they wrote it MissingNO, which was a mental pulse of the writer, a way to mask us that Nintendo doesn't cares about MissingNo.: by leaving the last character of what they wrote one time uppercase and in the other time lowercase they meant "we don't really care about MissingNo. we just write it like we don't care if the o turned out uppercase or lowercase". The uppercase N doesn't changes in the two writings. And my conclusion is that's why it should be called "MissingNo." and no other thing. ^^ From someone who doesn't cares about this discussion but UnderstaND --[[User:Rafaelluik|Rafaelluik]] 06:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. Or they should call it Missing#!--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 19:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be moved to MissingNo. because that's how I've always thought of it. In fact, before coming to the Missingno. page today I had ''never'' seen it written any way except "MissingNo." [[User:ILOVETOGETIC|I♥Togetic]] 05:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Since Nintendo only refers to it as "MissingNO" and "MissingNo" i think it should be moved to either one of these (though i would prefer to use "MissingNo"). I mean, keeping it at "Missigno" is retarded since no official source mentions it. (If "www.Nintendo.com/support.Nintendo.com" isn't considered as an "official source" then i don't really know what is).
(Yes, i know this topic is kinda old, but i don't really give a crap and if you really read what i wrote, you will understand why) -.- [[User:MasterZeroFlash|MasterZeroFlash]] 18:27, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

===Move it somewhere else===
Obviously it should be moved to MISSI░░N░▒▒FU▒▒▓▓▓▓ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:No, it shouldn't be MissingNo, that's too depressing. MissingYes, however, is definitely better, don't you all agree? {{u|LocoforLudicolo}} 22:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:The 'no.' in MissingNo. means 'number'. Missingno. should be moved to MissingNo..--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|TepigROX!]] ''([[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas|The Tepig can TALK!]])'' 12:02, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
:The official source that admits the existence of this Pokémon spells it MissingNO, so that should at least be considered. It's suspect, though, because it forgets the dot at the end of the name. [[User:Callforjudgement|callforjudgement]] 02:14, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
::The thing about that source is that it spells it "MissingNO" and "MissingNo". While both omit the dot (which we will not remove from the name), they both capitalize the 'N'. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

===While we're at it===
Let's move [[Ash's Pikachu]] to Ash's PIKACHU. After all, all instances of species names are in all-caps. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:I have official merchandise which refers to them as Proper nouns rather than allcaps. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

===Don't move this page===

What is the point of it? It's just one letter turned to caps, isn't it? Why don't we just make the 8th letter in every article capital? [[User:Breawycker|Breawycker]] 17:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:Because MISSING and NO. are separate words. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:38, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::Unless official sources that care back you up on this, no they're not, not in this case. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/gameboy/trouble_specificgame.jsp#missingno This] is the official source that specifically separates the two words. Also, while not an official source, Wikipedia is generally tough on accuracy and verifiability and look at their article on {{wp|MissingNo.}}.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

:::Also, why is this a special case assuming there is no source? If there is no source, shouldn't we go to the format that clearly states its meaning as "Missing Number," rather than go to a name that suggests it means something else entirely? According to the way we write, MissingNo. = Missing Number, while Missingno. = some other abbreviation, where "Missingno" is a part of that abbreviation. While, if we wanted to be perfectly correct, we would go and write it out as "Missing No." or "Missing Number," but MissingNo. is far more correct than Missingno., and MissingNo. is recognizable enough. While most of us would see Missingno. as the glitch we're discussing, someone who wasn't aware of Missingno. would look at the name and might not be able to find what it means, while it'd be much easier to deduce that MissingNo. is actually two words instead of one.--[[User:Aureol|Aureol]] 22:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::::It's name is one word, if only due to the 10char limit for names. Same reason {{p|Feraligatr}} and {{p|Victreebel}} aren't spelled "Feraligator" or "Victreebell" anywhere, least of all here. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Exactly. Its name is Missing + Number, as confirmed by the Japanese name. MissingNo. is the two words forced together to fit the 10 character limit. Nintendo illustrated this fact by capitalizing the N in No. every time that they referred to it. For the same reason, we should too. {{p|Feraligatr}} and {{p|Victreebel}} are spelt like that everywhere, and Nintendo has always referred to them as such (anime, manga, games, TCG, TFG). MissingNo. has only ever been referred to with a capital N. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::But there's a difference. Nintendo doesn't care about Missingno., so they wouldn't care about how they spelled it, would they? Besides, they spell it "MissingNO.", which I think is their not-so-subtle way of trying to dissuade people from going after it. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 18:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::That is some terrible speculation. Capitalizing NO is MISSINGNO. does not mean that they are trying to say "No" subliminally to discourage the use of the glitch (if that's what you're trying to say, without ever actually saying it). As for "Nintendo doesn't care about Missingno.", if they did not care about it then they would never have mentioned it. And even if they did not care about it, that would not impact on whether or not they choose to capitalize it in a certain way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, as it turns out, your "official source" is unreliable, so why should we trust it? First paragraph spells it "MissingNO", second paragraph spells it "MissingNo". Neither one adds the period at the end of Missingno.'s name. Unless we get something consistant and different from a '''''reliable''''' source, the article should stay as is. And as if that weren't enough, this same so-called "reliable" source also says that restarting the game is the only way to fix the scrambled graphics Missingno. causes sometimes. And that the flashing screen happens with burns and freezing as well as poison. Yeah, I don't think so. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:04, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::While it is true that it inconsistent, does not use a period and is not very reliable, it is much more reliable that assuming. The "O" changes, but there is always a capital "N". Unless we find a reliable source that uses something other than a capital "N" in "NO.", then the article should stay at the more accurate, logical and official location. Nintendo most likely didn't bother doing a large amount of research into solving the glitch (due to the age of the game), and simply told people to do the obvious approach. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Just leave it here, that is the easiest thing to do. Besides it is just a letter.--[[User:Spysrg|theMEWTHREEspy]] 16:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
We don't work on ease, we work on accuracy. It would be easier to just read Bulbapedia, but we choose to edit. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yes I agree, we should move it if it's needed, but is it really needed?If something else is more accurate than Missingno,move it, otherwise leave it.--[[User:Spysrg|theMEWTHREEspy]] 20:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::::yeah, TMS is right. one letter doesn't make a difference.but i don't want to get sucked into this fanwar, so i'll leave it at this: if a featured article loses its featured article award after it's moved, don't move it. it's just one letter and it wouldn't be a featured article anymore. but if it would stay as a featured article after moving it, go and move it.----[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|TepigROX!]] ''([[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas|The Tepig can TALK!]])'' 12:19, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
No, moving does not affect featured status. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

== The article tends to focus too much on one index number of Missingno. in Pokémon Yellow ==

Although variations of glitch Pokémon which use the name "Missingno." do indeed exist in Pokémon Yellow, this does not mean that there is just one [[index number]] of Missingno. in Pokémon Yellow. Different Missingno. in Pokémon Yellow commonly use different sprites, different base stats, different cries and have completely different movesets. Not all "yellow Missingno." are of the 999 type either, I think this article needs rewording to address that problem, its not as if there are 5 distinctive forms of Missingno. there are in fact (39*2) in Red/Blue and Yellow alone, not including different language games. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 12:33, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:You raise a valid point. However, new comments go at the bottom of talk pages. That said, you are right. We do need information on the other Yellow Missingno. formes... - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:15, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::OK thanks. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

i dont know how to make a new section but when used a gameshark code to make it appear in the wild i caught it then it turned into a rhydon why??[[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 01:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Its the internal error trap (as Rhydon has an index number of 01) for when the game brings up a new Pokédex entry for an invalid Pokémon. Try capturing it again, so that the "New Pokédex entry" interface doesn't pop up again. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 14:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Some possibly helpful questions ==

1. It seems the list of characters in a player's name that can trigger Missingno.'s various forms is not exhaustive. Does anyone know what Pokemon would appear when one of those characters is used in the appropriate spot? It might be useful to have this information in the article, even if it's just a simple "having other characters in these positions will not produce Missingno. but, instead, some other Pokemon to appear".

2. The next one is more of a general programming question regarding this comment: ''Due to the limited space in the Game Boy memory, the programmers decided to use the space where data for wild Pokémon found in the grass is stored (which is completely blank in Viridian City; only Surfing and Fishing data is used) to save the player's name temporarily.'' Are there any other circumstances where a player's name has to be stored into this space? [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 17:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:1. This page should actually list less of that. That is the [[old man glitch]]. Missingno. is one possible result, so most of this info should be moved there and this to link there as a main article. In addition, Missingno. can be found via the [[Mew glitch]], but this section only explains how it works via the old man glitch. I will fix this after replying.
:2. No, not in Generation I. If there was, that would have been exploited a long time ago. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::2. Regarding surfing on land strips, there is another process which could be exploited legitimately, although it is less practical than entering an Old Man battle. It is possible to make a trade within Cinnibar's Lab (as name data is stored within the RAM and recalled after trading) and then surf along any 'coast'. There are several other processes, but realistically unless messing with the RAM itself (e.g. save corruption, select bugs) they would require an external device, e.g. Professor Oak's battle mode used for catching the starter Pikachu and then surfing along a coast without encountering another Pokémon. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 16:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Missingno.'s exp. group? ==

For such a well-known glitch, I'd think that there would be some sort of investigation on this. Is there such a levelling formula? [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a topic of focus when discussion glitches, but from screenshots that I've seen, it appears to be the formula that yields 1000000 at level 100 (like with most Pokémon). [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 04:00, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==

This page should be moved to its redirect page. {{unsigned|Ethan brendan lucas}}
:We've been discussing it [[Talk:Missingno.#Moving|here]]. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 15:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Make a verdict already! ==

Okay. If you want to move it, put your name on 11.1. if you don't, add your name on 11.2. I'll count up the votes and see if we should move it. Finally.--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 23:59, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
:Umm... that's not how it works. Regular users can't just put an article's future status up to a vote. It'd need to be staff if the vote is to have any real authority. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
::oh.--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 19:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
======Move======
Ethan brendan lucas
MasterZeroFlash (i'll put my name here anyway) [[User:MasterZeroFlash|MasterZeroFlash]] 18:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

======Don't Move======

== Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo. ==

When I caught this version in Yellow, it has Normal/Flying type. Tried Thunder at another Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo. and it was super effective. Caugh another one and... wtf it was Grass/Poison O.o Another one and... Rock/Water (lol). Too bad that I took picture of only Grass/Poison [http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4414/yellow01.png version] [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 17:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:IIRC the non-000 dex [[hybrid glitch Pokémon#family|family]] MISSINGNO. will derive their types and base stats depending on what was the last Pokémon loaded in memory, though its a ''very'' long time since I've messed with them. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 22:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== Alternate sprite ==

While playing on Pokémon Blue, I ran into Missingno. using the old man glitch. When the battle started it appeared flipped around (facing the other way and to the left) after I attacked it flipped back around like a normal Missingno. but I noticed that this one looked different. I have a picture if it and was wanting to know if it was worth doing anything with it, or giving it to some one. It had the same shape as a normal Missingno. but has a different glitchy pattern.[[User:SchattenMajora|SchattenMajora]] 05:22, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:This sounds contrived; surely ''somebody'' would have noticed this by now... '''[[User:Hexagon Theory|«hexagon]][[User_talk:Hexagon Theory|THEORY»]]''' 05:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
::The Mew glitch went unproven for years. There's no real reason this ''can't'' be true...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:21, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== MissingNo ==

I ink this article and Missingno are the same thing
[[User:4Jmaster|4Jmaster]] 21:35, 24 November 2010 (UTC) 4Jmaster
:They are. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Why don't we move it? ==

I mean, MissingNo.'s in-game name really means "Missing Number," it's as if the game's trying to tell you that the Pokémon you're encountering is missing, and it's index number is 0.
All a Pokémon name is is a permanently nicknamed number, for example, [[Mew]]'s index equivalent is 21. The game thinks "21 used (index number of a move)! It's super effective!" but the game translates it to "[[Mew]] used [[Psychic]]! It's super effective!" To recap what I have just said, as you are probably thinking "What is this kid getting at?" what I mean is, MissingNo.'s name is an abbreviated message, not an actual name.
Cheers!
[[User:Alex128|Alex128]] 18:47, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Wouldn't that be like moving Mew's page to 21 then? →'''[[User:Axxonn|ΑΧΧΟΝΝ]][[User talk:Axxonn|fi]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|re]]''' 18:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
@Axxonn: Not really. It's like the game knows 21=[[Mew]], or 000=[[Missingno.]] (Or in this case, MissingNo.)
[[User:Alex128|Alex128]] 01:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:Missingno. is not index number 000, that is [['M]]. Missingno. has a Pokédex number of 000 ('M does too), but has a large number of different index numbers (see the infobox). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
@SnorlaxMonster: Enlighten me. Why does MissingNo. revert to Rhydon when certain forms are caught? If Rhydon's index number is 001, MissingNo. has to revert to the next valid index number, 001. That means MissingNo. has to be 000. It's Pokédex number is also 000. 'M could possibly share index 000 with MissingNo. [[User:Alex128|Alex128]] 00:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
::Its only if a glitch Pokémon displays its Pokédex entry upon capture and has an invalid Pokédex number that it reverts to {{p|Rhydon}} (see new [[Rhydon glitch]] article). This is not specific to Yellow Missingno. as many glitch Pokémon have high Pokédex numbers and revert back to Rhydon after their Pokédex entry is registered. Its not possible to have more than one Pokémon with the same index number in the same game. You can have multiple glitch Pokémon with the same Pokédex number or 'family', but not index number. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 02:44, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
::::(conflicted)It is impossible for two Pokémon to be at the same index number in the same game (Pokédex numbers are different). All non-[[hybrid glitch Pokémon]] revert to Rhydon when their Pokédex entry is viewed after being caught, because it has the first valid index number. [[p T]] would also revert to Rhydon, despite clearly not being 00 in any aspect. It's called the [[Rhydon glitch]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'll admit I'm wrong. I had forgotten that MissingNo. takes up multiple index numbers, and one of them was Index 000. I apologize for my mistake, but let it be known that I support its movement. Go MissingNo.! [[User:Alex128|Alex128]] 17:48, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

== GBA Missingno ==

I've seen videos on youtube demonstrating how to catch missingno in the GBA Pokemon games.
 
 
Here's one of them just to clarify.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZTvJWlpfV3s
 [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]]
:We know about them but refer to them here as [[glitch Pokémon]] rather than Missingno. here please. The name "Missingno." is the error handler used for placeholder/formatted species and only 39 instances used this in the GB/C games (with the other 107 being generic invalid Pokémon). [[? (glitch Pokémon)|?]] is the closest approximation to its function (25 empty spaces), though we still call it ? because that's what the game calls it. [[??????????]] and others are essentially invalid Pokémon (like the past 107 generic glitch Pokémon) but improved error handling techniques dummy out their names. Thanks. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 16:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia And More! ==

For the trivia, couldn't it be stated that Missing No. is the first pokemon to have alternate forms?

Also, should Missing No.'s alternate forms be added to the Form Change page? [[User:Super Glitch-Missing No.|Super Glitch-Missing No.]] 22:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)Super Glitch-Missing No.
:Possibly, but as long as it is only mentioned on this page
:Absolutely not. The [[form differences]] page is only for true Pokémon. Missingno. would get no more than a trivia mention there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:44, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

So I can add the Forme Differences onto Missing No.'s trivia, but not on the page? And technically, Missing No. is a real pokemon, but not obtained by normal means with some side effects. It is still a pokemon.--[[User:Super Glitch-Missing No.]]
:No, Missingno. is NOT a Pokémon. It's a glitch encountered when a wild Pokémon is encountered in an area where wild Pokémon are not meant to appear. Therefore Missingno. appears because the numerical data (no.) for which Pokémon should appear are missing. Thus the "name" isn't even a name so much as an error message. This argument has been had a number of times on this wiki, and the conclusion has always been that "Glitch Pokémon" are not technically real Pokémon. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 23:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::If it is encountered in Tall Grass, isn't it a Pokémon?--[[User:Higejolly|higejolly]] 20:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Did you not read what was above your post? "Glitch Pokémon" Are not real Pokémon. It appears when you encounter a wild pokemon. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 20:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== What is This? Missingno in IV Generation? ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAvip8ptQEM

[[User:Alysson-A|Alysson-A]] 20:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yes there are more [[glitch Pokémon]] in [[Generation IV]] exclusive to {{game|Platinum}} and IIRC {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} which normally freeze the game in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}, for example see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f459/d-p-pl-new-glitch-pokemon-50566/#post1274581] but Bulbapedia only have articles about [[-----]], [[Generation IV hybrids]], [[Bad Egg]] and I suppose by that logic we should have Generation IV glitch Egg. I don't know if the staff here would consider anything else notable, seeing as you technically have 64,546 identifiers to experiment with taking into the account the glitch Pokémon and valid Pokémon already accepted. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== Not all Glitch Pokémon are MissingNo. ==

I hear people talk about "MissingNo. from Ruby/Sapphire, MissingNo. from Diamond and Pearl, they should all be moved to [[Missingno.]]" The truth is that MissingNo. is a placeholding Glitch Pokémon, and therefore isn't meant to be found. So I don't think that other Glitch Pokémon should be moved to MissingNo.'s page. Cheers! [[User:Alex128|Alex128]] 16:04, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
:No need to worry, they won't be. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 23:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

== Stop changing the translation ==

The correct translation for Missingno. is 欠番. Please stop changing it.
[[User:Eman9405|Eman9405]] 15:12, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:SnorlaxMonster is the leader of Project GlitchDex, so if he reverts your edit, you probably shouldn't change it back. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 15:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
::Lol, Kanji didn't even exist in main games until BW. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyVQJjVApQs Here's proof it's けつばん.]--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:50, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
:::The reason you were reverted was because it was incorrect. It is not a translation, it is what actually appears in the Japanese games, as shown in the link Dennou Zenshi provided. While what you provided is the correct rendition of けつばん in kanji, games prior to Generation V didn't have kanji. I would have mentioned specifically why in my edit summary, but because you made multiple edits, I used an administrative tool called "rollback" which does not allow me to provide an edit summary. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

== Featured article, and move ==

Missingno is todays Featured Article on Wikipedia, would this be worth noting?

Also, will this page ever be moved? I dont think it is right for a (Bulbapedia) Featured Article, apparently "''one of the best articles produced on Bulbapedia''", to have this issue ignored, or to even have the issue in the first place. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 03:42, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's probably not going to get moved. People seem to think that Nintendo's inconsistent spellings and capitalizations constitute a need to change the name, that's all. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
::Or is it that the name used just as often in the fandom is the one used by Nintendo themselves, even with their inconsistencies? Although I agree, at this rate, it is not going to get moved. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

'''Big question'''
Ok http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/33054-pokemon-the-electric-tale-of-pikachu Comic reviewer Linkara has used Missingno as a major plot point in many of his reviews during the month. Should we add this to trivia or what? I mean he is popular and so on. Just asking
--[[User:Brengarrett|Brengarrett]] 05:39, 2 November 2011 (UTC)